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JRE MMA Show #108 with Stephen Thompson

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§01Transcript · 00:00–04:43

00:00Joe Rogan podcast check it out the Joe Rogan experience during my day Joe Rogan

00:07podcast by

00:08night all day wonder boy in the house ladies and gentlemen what's up brother

00:16what's going on man

00:17glad you're coming in thank you man appreciate you having me glad to be on with

00:21you long time

00:21coming should have had you in a long time ago but I know you know schedules

00:26time things we had

00:27planned on it like last summer or something like that it was one of those

00:31things but then obviously

00:32the COVID the COVID the vid yeah but dude you're still rocking at the top of

00:39the food chain it's

00:41amazing I'm saying I'm people people will say I'm too old I'm 38 well look at

00:46your victory over

00:47Vicente Luque and then look what Luque just did to Tyron Woodley you're still

00:52at the top of the

00:53fucking food chain because that was real recently that you beat him yeah it was

00:56I mean it was what

00:57a year was two years ago mm-hmm two years ago I beat Vicente but uh yeah man

01:03people saying I'm I'm

01:05I'm too old and I guess once you get knocked out one time you just they throw

01:09you to the side

01:10that's people that don't understand the human chin it's just like it's just it's

01:15just a fact you can

01:17hit with the perfect shot there's what even hard it wasn't even hard you know I've

01:21been hit harder

01:21Tyron hit me harder Jake Ellenberger hit me harder this was just right on the

01:25button it's crazy isn't it

01:27to be honest with you it was like it was like a relief being knocked out I mean

01:32I've got close

01:33to 80 something fights with kickboxing MMA together and I've never been knocked

01:38out and it was always

01:39one of those that you know Lee going into a fight this is going to be it this

01:44is this is going to be

01:45the time I get knocked out this is always going through my head and now that it

01:49happened it's not

01:51that bad it's really not that bad I would rather get knocked out than get just

01:55the crap beat out of

01:56me for five five minute rounds have you ever been knocked out in training no so

02:00that was the only time

02:01ever in your whole career you've been knocked out and it was a wild punch too

02:04the fact that he caught

02:05you with a Superman punch I know man the memes after that were hilarious I don't

02:09know if you saw it but

02:10it was funny you gotta think though you've dished it out so many times I know

02:15you know through your

02:16kickboxing career and MMA I mean there's so many times you flatline people and

02:21then yeah I get I get

02:23knocked out by a guy in a lighter weight class my dad my family is pretty rough

02:27they don't they they bring it up as

02:29as much as they can I was in the hospital that night and my dad's doing it like

02:36a face book live thing

02:38because you know we had a bunch of pants bunch of you know karate karate

02:41families and karate kids

02:42there we pretty much sold out that arena Greenville South Carolina where I mean

02:46everybody was there to watch me fight and then I get crushed I get knocked out

02:51and

02:52then you know everybody's want to know how I am so I did it like it was

02:54probably 2 a.m did a

02:56Facebook live and my dad's just eating me alive eat me alive yeah I got knocked

03:01out he's like yeah

03:02by a smaller guy too and he's just let me have it but that's how he is it is

03:07what it is yep you

03:09know you you took it really well in terms of like the way you reacted in social

03:13media and the way you

03:14reacted and you were asked about it you know showed poise thank you I mean what

03:19can you do I mean you

03:20can't just sit there and cry about it no you know yeah it bothered me for a

03:25while that you know

03:26why did I not see it coming I normally see this stuff coming do you think you

03:29were relaxed when

03:30he hit you is that what it was I think it was definitely a distance thing

03:33because when I when

03:34I had psychic I watched it over and over and over again I don't remember any of

03:37the second round I

03:38don't remember any of it all I remember is getting up off the stool looking

03:42across the the cage and I

03:44seen his bloody nose he's banged up and I'm like all right time be time to pick

03:47it up I'm gonna finish

03:48him this round this was going through my head that's all I remember and I got

03:51knocked out five seconds

03:52left in the second round wow I don't remember anything I don't remember sitting

03:56up talking to

03:57him in the cage the people say I was like high-fiving people as I was walking

03:59by all I remember is like

04:03these sparkles kind of fade away and I see Chris Weidman's face right there he's

04:08laughing at me he's

04:09like smiling at me and he said if you ask me that again I want to slap you I

04:13guess I asked him the

04:14same question I kept saying you know what happened how'd I get knocked out I

04:16got knocked out just kept

04:18saying that's what people do when they get knocked out they they ask the same

04:21question what happened over and

04:23over again it was such a weird thing and then you know not remembering any of

04:28that and then just being

04:30in the back it's like I got teleported there I was fighting and then I was

04:34there and I remember him

04:35helping me trying to answer the doctor's questions yeah like you know what day

04:38it is I'm like Chris like

04:40Steven come on you know what day it is he's like trying to help me how answer

§02Transcript · 04:43–09:33

04:43these questions but uh that's

04:45all I remember man is is that but uh it's it was a relief like I have nothing

04:50what else I mean that's

04:53like the worst thing that can happen why why do you feel like it's a relief

04:57well you know it was such a

04:58worry you know I've knocked out people I've seen how they are you know getting

05:03up off the canvas and

05:04the the you know what is done to people psychologically getting knocked out and

05:10that's always been kind of

05:11like how would I handle that you know how would I handle that how would how

05:15would you see people get

05:16knocked out and they they try and come back maybe as soon as possible which is

05:20not a good thing they

05:21should terrible thing yeah they should give their time you know time for their

05:24body to heal up but um

05:26you know I've seen people do that it was always a worry for me how would I

05:29handle that yeah I always

05:31get concerned when I see someone who gets knocked out they want to get right

05:34back in there and like

05:35oh you're asking for trouble because you might feel fine but you probably are a

05:39little loose

05:40yeah it's funny you said that because they UFC wanted me a fight wanted me to

05:45fight two months

05:46later in my hometown wow and after the day after was going to get some

05:50breakfast with some with some

05:52friends um still in Knoxville with the fam and I get a call from um Dana I

05:59think was Hunter hey man you

06:01still want to fight in Greenville South Carolina of course the athlete and

06:05myself said yes like I

06:07wanted to jump back in there and yeah but then you know reality kicked in and

06:12you know I look over at

06:13my pops and he's like that he I think he already know who it was he said that

06:16he just shook his head

06:17who was it that you were supposed to um I don't think we had anybody the UFC

06:22should have made it

06:23Anthony Pettis mm-hmm it was only like two months later I should have been

06:28Anthony Pettis in my hometown

06:29but um and I didn't find out that the UFC was in Greenville I found that out

06:36watching some fights

06:37like uh so you saying the UFC should have made a rematch with Anthony Pettis or

06:40you should have

06:41had that should have been when you fought Pettis yes was in your hometown yes

06:44we would have sold that

06:45out yeah my first MMA fight was in the arena the UFC was at um the Bancicor

06:50Wellness Arena and it was

06:53standing room only what organization was that for it was a it was a uh

06:56promotion called fight party

06:58and a lot of UFC fighters came up OSP was on my first card it was crazy OSP was

07:03fighting um I think

07:05who else was on that card uh both uh Lima brothers were on that card and it was

07:11my very first MMA fight

07:12in my hometown and the main event I think it was OSP was main event but his

07:18fighter ended up not making

07:19weight or something that didn't happen so they pushed me to to the main event

07:24main event what year was

07:25this this was 2010 wow 2010 and I was like what I had no wrestling no I mean

07:33blue belt

07:34barely blue belt probably in jiu-jitsu and I'm like all right and I'm fighting

07:40a wrestler

07:40and I'm knocking him out in the second round and I almost threw up all in the

07:45ring that would have

07:46been twice that would have happened to me twice because I had no idea how to

07:50cut weight I hadn't been

07:51170 since 11th grade in high school what were you weighing when you were kickboxing

07:57uh I would

07:58actually fight up and wait I would weigh in with keys in my pocket weights in

08:02my pocket I fought at

08:03185 fought at 195 I fought for the world combat league I would fight up in that

08:09but nobody's

08:10grabbing a hold of you there so yeah you really didn't have to worry about the

08:13weight and I was

08:13a lot faster than the guys that were you know heavier than me so um that was a

08:18that was a crazy

08:20experience that world combat league was an interesting situation it was wild

08:23right yeah I I went to one

08:26of them uh which one I'm trying to remember I think it was in Atlantic City I'm

08:29trying to remember

08:30where it was at I might have been on that card you might have been on that card

08:33I think I fought a guy

08:34named Carlos Tierney Carlos Tierney I'm not I don't remember if you were on

08:40that card not I definitely

08:42watched you fight on in those events but I watched you a lot when Feras Ahabi

08:47was talking well about

08:49you I was like let me check this dude out and then I saw some of your kickboxing

08:53fights and I saw you in

08:54the world combat league I was like oh shit you you uh when you got into the UFC

08:58I got really excited

09:00because you represented a style that I had been talking about for a while

09:04because everybody was

09:05like you know for striking it was Muay Thai for submissions it was jujitsu and

09:09then there was

09:10wrestling like that's like kind of everybody had this idea of like what was

09:13effective and what wasn't

09:14and I was like man I'm telling you if you if you find a guy who really

09:19understands karate

09:20who has that sideways stance and a really good front leg he's gonna fuck a lot

09:25of people up and

09:25they're not gonna know what to do with it and a lot of people like dismissed me

09:28they're like what

09:29are you talking about they thought it was just that I was reminiscing about my

§03Transcript · 09:33–14:26

09:33traditional martial

09:34arts days and I was like no I'm telling you man dudes with a good front leg

09:39like that's a totally

09:40different animal to get in on when a guy has that sideways stance and then when

09:44you are fighting

09:45like with your hands down and no one knew what to do and you lean back like a

09:49snake when guys are

09:50punching you go forward I'm like that's a totally different style and it's a

09:54fucking really sneaky

09:56one it's hard to handle it is definitely a a very difficult style to prepare

10:01for as well yeah well

10:02try finding I know and you got like you Raymond Daniels there's like a couple

10:07guys out there

10:08they can emulate that style and it I think it was because I remember in the

10:13early US especially

10:14when Lyoto Machida was coming in he's a traditional to a Kyokushin is it Kyokushin

10:19style I think so

10:21Shotokan I think it was Shotokan I think it was Shotokan okay I know I know GSP

10:24was Shotokan as well

10:25that was kind of his background let's find out what is a Lyoto Machida's

10:29original karate style

10:30I want to say it's Shotokan his dad was straight Japanese right he married his

10:35mom who's Brazilian

10:36yes so um and people think didn't think karate worked karate was just a frou-frou

10:42style McDojo style

10:45um you know not geared toward real applications you know yeah and in the early

10:51UFC's it was looked

10:52down upon the karate style I guess because I don't know if karate kid you know

10:58I think that era the 80s

11:00you know a lot of people saw that karate can make them a lot of money and so

11:04they were opening up

11:06those McDojo schools left and right same with Taekwondo same with Kung Fu there's

11:11a lot of

11:11traditional martial arts that did have some real life applications and they got

11:16severely watered down

11:17yeah because people didn't want to lose a lot of students so they didn't want

11:21to make it really

11:21difficult for you to advance and to move up and even Shotokan Shotokan yeah I

11:29didn't even notice that

11:3013 this right here that's ridiculous wow I love this I need one of you there's

11:37only one I know I need I

11:39need a Jamie you'll just find some dude who pretends to be Jamie he'll be

11:42annoying but this uh this

11:46style of this sideways that Michael Venom page is another really interesting

11:50example he's super

11:53unusual because he was an elite well Raymond Daniels was as well he's an elite

11:58point fighter yeah and

12:00people were always like making fun of point fighting I'm like man you never

12:02spar one of those guys I

12:04fought in a few of those tournaments and fast oh my god their whole thing was

12:08just jumping in and

12:09blitzing yeah and even if it wasn't the most powerful or effective techniques

12:14like you had to

12:15adjust to this new way of fighting yeah because everybody else like if you're a

12:19Muay Thai guy you know

12:20you're used to fighting in this rhythm and these guys are moving around and

12:23jumping and leaping

12:24forward get you flinching you know yeah and that's what you know and that's I

12:29think that was the

12:30reason why and and of course though the point fighting you got schools that

12:33kind of gravitated forgot

12:35forget all the the self-defense stuff let's just focus on the competition

12:38tournaments yeah and then

12:40people think a real real fight is going to be like that point turn point

12:44fighting is in real life

12:46application it's fairly dumb yeah but there's real benefits to learning how to

12:51win at those things I

12:53agree to learning how to blitz to learning how to like leap forward with

12:57strikes you shouldn't do it

12:58all the time but if you have that ability the thing is like when you see guys

13:02who have that ability and

13:04then they learn the other stuff like you did they learn the wrestling they

13:07learn submissions then they

13:09become very dangerous because you have this whole range where they thrive in

13:15where most people are

13:16completely lost yeah this range on the outside where you're standing there like

13:20that doing a lot of

13:20this throwing a lot of those front leg techniques you see these guys like shit

13:24I gotta get closer to

13:25them you know like that's that's crazy that they can't compete at a very

13:30specific range and for 170

13:32you're pretty tall and long too so you have this height and reach advantage as

13:36well yeah the the the

13:38street fighting thing I I agree with you because you YouTube street fights now

13:42and it's like 99.9 of

13:43them 9% of them they end up on the ground 99 but the ones where a guy can

13:48deliver a wheel kick in a

13:49street fight oh shit you seen that I've seen a few of them oh it's ridiculous

13:55crazy oh I know and

13:56everybody is just you just going yeah if someone pulls off like a real like

14:01movie martial arts

14:03technique in a street and probably killed the guy because he hit his head on

14:05the pavement oh right

14:06yeah that's scary I told myself like if I ever in a street situation you know

14:10hopefully I'm never in

14:11one but I'm like hey man let's go to the grass yeah let's move over here to the

14:14grassy area just in

14:15case yeah you know but yeah the point fighting thing the nicest street fighter

14:20ever the NMF I gotta

14:23hold that gotta hold that title you know so funny not only the nicest MMA

§04Transcript · 14:26–19:28

14:26fighter the nicest street

14:28fighter let me tell you I was in some scuffles you know in in high school and I

14:32remember beating

14:33the crap out of this kid and his mom rolls up you know to pick him up after

14:36school this is right

14:37after school and I he was my sister was just she's a badass man my older sister

14:42she fought kickboxing

14:44she kicked my behind for years I mean I've seen her knock dudes out my sister

14:48really she married

14:49Carlos Machado right and um she fought kickboxing at you know amateur never

14:55never went pro

14:56but at a very high level and she just would just mess people up and she had

15:02gotten a scuffle in school

15:03and just beat the crap out of some dude so she was kind of on her last leg and

15:07nobody messed with her

15:09I mean it you know what she's like when you meet her she's very honest person

15:13but she's not

15:14the nicest way she doesn't right she's just very straightforward you know if

15:18you look ugly she's

15:19like you look ugly she's opposite of you exactly she's more like my dad and um

15:25but she was in some

15:27heated argument with this guy and this guy comes up to do something I kind of

15:31pushed my sister out of

15:32the way and I hit this dude I'm I'm walking over from a middle school you know

15:36the high school middle

15:37school right next to each other so I would have to walk over and then get

15:40picked up from our from my

15:42parents so I'm like seventh grade maybe eighth grade this kid's probably in 10th

15:47grade and so I

15:49like sidekick this dude he backs I hit him right in the chest I'm a lot smaller

15:52than him and I know

15:53Lindsay if she gets in trouble she's getting expelled and um my dad's a pretty

15:57rough dude you don't want

15:58to get expelled living under his household you know and then uh so I end up piecing

16:03him up just just

16:04hit him with a three-piece combination his lips bleeding he's on the ground and

16:08to be honest I don't

16:09even know what I did I don't even know how I did it it was just like such a

16:12blur I've never been in a

16:13that kind of situation before maybe once or twice that was it and um it was

16:18just like just like in a

16:20fight you know in a fight um I'm not thinking about what I'm doing it's just

16:24reaction so it's a lot of

16:26times I have to go back and watch the fight to remember exactly what I did

16:29during the fight and his mom

16:32rolls up and I'm sitting here helping this dude up I pat him on the back and I

16:35was like good job man

16:36you know that's what I said to him good job and he said thanks and like walked

16:40off and he's like

16:40wiping his lip off you know he's bleeding his mom's looking at me she drives

16:44off but still

16:45I'm like why did I why I help him up good job dude he said good job oh my god

16:51good job

16:51taking punches yeah to the face and you know this is getting around school of

16:57course this middle

16:58school just beat you up middle schooler so yeah man I can't I don't know when

17:02did you start karate

17:02three years old wow mandatory mandatory mandatory wow my there was five of us I've

17:10got two brothers

17:11and two sisters and we started the martial arts as three my dad started early

17:1670s because of

17:18it's weird Elvis Presley no shit he was huge Elvis fan wow that's crazy because

17:25those videos we've made

17:27fun of those videos of Elvis all pilled up doing karate oh my god there are

17:32some of the wildest videos

17:34because he's so clearly high out of his mind like he's barely completely disassociated

17:39yeah he's like

17:40hey man hey man grab your neck come here now you ever seen him walk hard no you

17:47haven't seen walk

17:48hard no it's like a look at him look at him that's when they they put the the

17:52fist to his neck and he

17:53pushes forward the guys fall down you never seen this oh I've never seen this

17:57this is actual video

17:58you need to watch these videos please pull up I I on multiple occasions on this

18:03podcast have

18:03watched and made fun of Elvis on pills doing karate see it's a 50 minute video

18:10okay I can watch it a lot

18:12no no no we could just keep it on for the entire 50 minutes and talk this is on

18:16YouTube yeah just

18:18so there's like a lot of stuff Elvis Presley gladiators project 1974 hey it's

18:22not hurting

18:23him because he's high meanwhile he's got a like a regular shirt on underneath

18:26look look at this collared

18:27shirt under his gi you remember the the stars and stripe gi yes he admitted

18:35that really Elvis Presley

18:37admitted that oh the stars and stripe actual like gi look at these guys so he

18:43was he was an ed

18:44parker student yes yeah ed parker that's but this is this is so funny man with

18:49the fucking he's got a

18:51regular shoe right now he's talking about pulling out your neck look at how

18:57high he is what in the

18:59look at this you can see the passion he loved training with

19:05the guy's on his neck he's like I can't believe Elvis is rubbing my neck yeah I

19:11know look at the dude

19:12the dude I see look at him he's like blinking his eye oh he's out of his

19:16fucking mind wow he's

19:18probably on all I mean I don't know what kind of pills he's on back I've never

19:22seen this before in

19:23my life oh my god I've seen it a hundred times wow and he was one of those look

19:27at that is that is

§05Transcript · 19:28–23:56

19:28that super no that's not that's super full wallace yeah that's bill wallace

19:31yeah in the stars and

19:32stripe gi yeah bill wallace is an interesting character too because he shows

19:37what's possible with just one

19:39leg no that's not chuck but he shows it's possible because he had a fucked up

19:43knee his right knee was

19:45fucked up and he couldn't really throw kicks with it so everything he did was

19:48with his left leg look

19:49how he lifted his leg up like oh my god like it was nothing easy I can't do

19:52that well he he had

19:54incredible dexterity with that left leg because he only kicked with that leg

19:58yeah so his hook kicks

19:59were off the chart like a lot of people would dismiss hook kicks even in taekwondo

20:04they would dismiss

20:05hook kicks and I was a big bill wallace fan I would watch him fight I was like

20:08I'm telling you man

20:09that fucking guy throws I think it's one of those things where you just have to

20:12learn how to do it

20:13and then you get the dexterity and then eventually it becomes just like

20:16throwing a round kick or a

20:18side kick or anything else that's what's so special about developing that front

20:21leg yeah and you

20:22don't need a lot of power to knock somebody out with her to do what you need to

20:25do with to do some

20:26damage right yeah so that's why I love doing the front leg stuff yeah but that

20:30is that is crazy

20:32front leg round kicks seem like they don't have anything to them nothing but

20:36the first time I ever

20:37knocked a guy out it was a front leg roundhouse kick and I bet you it wasn't

20:40even as hard as you could

20:41it was it was weird it felt like I had barely hit him yeah and just shut off it's

20:45just it's fast and

20:47one of the things that I love that you do it's and we were taught to do that

20:50too is you you sneak

20:51things around the shoulders over the shoulders yeah so you don't see it coming

20:54until it's right here oh

20:55shit bang and then it's too late was it the first fight yes the very the very

21:00first fight and a lot of

21:02times I I will fight with my hands down and so I like to lure people in with my

21:08face you know I can

21:10hit you from there but really they don't realize that you know everybody has a

21:14security their own

21:17security force field I would say around them and when you step if I just plod

21:22in to that little

21:24security boundary you have you get defensive you start bringing your hands up

21:26you're more aware but if you

21:28stay to the outside of that you know they start to get more relaxed those hands

21:32start to drop just a

21:33little bit even if it's just a little bit that's because you can't be tense all

21:36the time right

21:37and that's when I got you yeah you know because I can close that gap faster

21:42than you can right

21:43right I can close that gap and people aren't used to that people think it was

21:47funny because once that

21:48karate style started to get out there started becoming more popular especially

21:51in the full contact sports

21:53because you're seeing michael page venom and you start seeing guys with those

21:57tendencies like you

21:59when you didn't see him at his last fight because he's doing more boxing um but

22:03conor mcgregor when

22:04he fought jose aldo just in those first few minutes of that fight you he was

22:09moving like a karate guy

22:10sideways stance in and outside kick yep drew out his his left hand and countered

22:15him it was beautiful but

22:18the it takes it's nothing that you can do and learn right off the bat you know

22:22what i'm saying like

22:23i can't if i if i if i was doing mma and then i go all right i want to try and

22:28you know do that

22:30distance management get that karate style you can't just go into any karate

22:34karate studio and learn that

22:35it takes a lot of time a lot of time a lot of time i talked about uh taekwondo

22:41kicks to someone once

22:42we're we're talking about this about them implementing them in mma and i was

22:46like you kind of can but

22:48really you should start with that yeah like if you want to learn it you kind of

22:51have to learn it when

22:52you're a kid yeah and then then you develop that crazy bill wallace type dexterity

22:57and then once you

22:58do that then learn take down defense then learn a little bit of wrestling then

23:02learn how to all the other

23:03shit it's it's so hard when you're if you start right with mma you know say if

23:08you're a 15 year

23:09old kid and you just go to an mma academy there is no way you're gonna kick

23:14like a guy who's been

23:15kicking his whole life yeah you you need to learn how to do it like almost

23:19first it's i think like

23:20there's a lot of arguments about what you should learn first but i think there's

23:24a real good argument

23:25for young kids to learn either karate or some kicking based style real young

23:31because when they spar

23:32they don't really hurt each other yeah and then they get used to doing it so

23:35you get used to sparring

23:37like i love watching little kids spar man because they can't hit each they hit

23:39each other but they

23:40don't hurt each other we we do full-on mma sparring wow schools yeah kicking

23:45punching you know

23:47obviously in in the that when they're in the beginning when they first get

23:50their their sparring gear

23:51you're doing more sparring drills than anything learning how to block but they

23:55you know they got

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23:56you got to take them through this conditioning process a lot of schools out

23:59there don't even allow contact

24:00yeah i think it's crap but it's also there's a thing with the style that you do

24:06that you almost

24:08you're not going to do it that way if you could do everything else from the

24:12beginning you're going

24:13to work you get hit a couple of times you're going to try to take somebody down

24:15you know you're going

24:16to try to do something different like even like your your style originally you

24:21didn't really leg kick

24:22like when did you start leg kicking i did pull this thing up to like keep it

24:26like close to your

24:27sorry about that no worries when you start leg kicking i started i had my last

24:31fight my last

24:32kickboxing fight before i wanted to go mma it was a leg kick fight it was a muay

24:37thai fight so that

24:38was your first one my very first one so you had like 56 above the way or below

24:43above the waist above the

24:44waist and then one muay thai style which it can kind of go both ways i figured

24:49like now that i go back to

24:50above the waist it's so hard it's so much harder right because you can't kick

24:54the leg you can't

24:55yeah you're not getting kicked but then you only have this small area that you

24:58have to find

24:59an you know a spot to kick or find an opening when you can create that by just

25:04kicking somebody in

25:04the leg and it was so difficult um but that was my first experience of full

25:09contact like to the legs

25:10like uh our kimpo style um we go at it man it's my dad's just really old school

25:17and uh i remember in

25:19the in the earlier days if you didn't have the natural ability to do the

25:22martial arts he ran you

25:23off really oh yeah it was that early 80s he was very hardcore he didn't let you

25:28learn um

25:29he i don't think he wanted he wanted it the easier for him to teach you

25:35something those are the kind of

25:37people he wanted around he didn't want to spend a whole lot of time trying to

25:41trying to this is what

25:42i got he may have something different but this is kind of you know living in

25:45the dojo is what i

25:46kind of come up with you know and people didn't last like he was drill so he

25:49grew up in a military

25:51school pretty much his dad was pretty rough put him in military school his dad

25:55owned bars and

25:57brothels man in charleston south carolina oh wow and uh high school put him in

26:03military school that's

26:04when he fell in love with the martial arts and then when he when he was 18 he

26:07moved his he moved

26:09out it's so crazy that elvis is what inspired him he loved his he loved his uh

26:14western movies and

26:15he did like yeah he loved them man his mom was a huge elvis fan says you know i

26:19can't sing like the

26:20guy can't dance like the guy i want to try this karate thing so he had his

26:25first fight at the it was in

26:28uh charlotte um i forgot which arena it was but in 1977 i think it was 1977 he

26:37had his first kickboxing

26:39fight wow and then he fought uh went over in france he fought for the usa team

26:43he fought in greenville

26:44south carolina the baddest man in greenville is what it was called it was no

26:49holds bar really yeah

26:50with boxing gloves on you can take him down no weight class submissions um yeah

26:55if i mean if you knew

26:56them back in those i don't think anybody knew submission boxing gloves boxing

27:00gloves how heavy

27:01were the gloves i don't know they're probably eight ounces eight twelve eight

27:05eight ounces but i mean

27:08this is how crazy it was you had a guy you know um you had a black guy come out

27:12into the ring with

27:13a confederate flag you know what it was wild he fought he had to fight that guy

27:18he had to fight a

27:19guy who was 300 pounds we got a picture of him literally with his opponent on

27:23the ground and my

27:24dad's up in the air getting ready to staunt this dude's head i'm like you didn't

27:28realize that you

27:29could kill the guy he was like no i had to pay rent man i had to win this thing

27:33wow i had to pay rent

27:34yeah he fought on that thing twice before they wouldn't let him they wouldn't

27:37let him compete

27:37anymore really they kicked him out yeah and then what did they say you're too

27:43good i don't think they

27:44said you were too good stop stomping people yeah maybe i don't know but then i

27:49think the promotion

27:51changed hands and it became uh the toughman contest there was an event in hawaii

27:57back in the 70s i

27:59believe that was one of the very first uh no holds barred events that benny orquidez

28:04competed in

28:05benny orquidez yeah he was a beast yeah benny the jet was a bad man dude i

28:12heard the craziest story

28:13about him and this was when i was in the competing in the walkover world

28:16championships which was like

28:19our kickboxing olympics right it's held in a different country every two years

28:22we got some kids

28:23that point fight they're switching over to mma you think that i've got a lead

28:28leg man in the

28:29conservative cover some some distance these kids 17 years old or 18 years old

28:34his brother's 21 blake

28:35and um blake spence trent spence these kids are fast boy they kick me in the

28:41face on a reg

28:42on the regular but they're they've competed all over the world since they were

28:46kids you know that's

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28:47what the what they put they they're getting ready for the walk of world

28:50championship they're supposed

28:52to be in moscow or something this year but uh got to hang out with uh bill

28:57superfoot wallace

28:59and he told me this crazy story about benny the jet he was asked to fight a guy

29:06the guy's name

29:07was muay thai his name was muay thai that was the style he thought he thought

29:13he thought he thought

29:14it was yeah that was guy's name it was in thailand and i don't know how true

29:21this story is maybe he was

29:23just blowing smoke but bitty the jet was undefeated he was fighting this guy

29:28named muay thai and he goes

29:31out the first round it was him chuck norris was there i think joe lewis was

29:35there you know big

29:36heavyweight joe lewis yeah um and he was losing the fight the guy kept kicking

29:41him in the legs kicking

29:42him in the legs so what these three guys did this is what's so freaking cool

29:46they started a fight in the

29:47crowd that went just got nuts that they had to cancel the fight they were

29:52throwing chairs

29:53they like in the ring just from losing that's what i heard that's what i heard

30:00yeah i think i've seen a video of something like that i definitely have seen

30:06videos of benny

30:07fighting like leg kick style yeah i think after this fight he ended up doing

30:13more muay thai stuff

30:14yeah he would wear he would still wear the pants the karate pants well i'm sure

30:16you've seen the rick

30:17rufus fight where rick rufus fought that champion from thailand yeah and he

30:21hurt him in the first round

30:22with punches but then the guy just kept chopping at his legs chopping at his

30:26legs and eventually they

30:27literally had to carry him out of there couldn't walk yeah there's something

30:30else about those thai

30:31guys and also back then nobody understood the effectiveness of leg kicks yeah

30:35and rick

30:36rufus was a bad i mean he was so good and he had the guy really hurt he dropped

30:42him in the first round

30:43had him in real trouble but the dude got up they call it it's on youtube the

30:48fight that changed

30:49kickboxing forever that's the it was like the american kickboxer versus the thai

30:55with thai style

30:56people just did not understand the effectiveness they didn't understand how

31:00vulnerable the legs are

31:02when you get a guy who's a thai who really knows how to slam those shins

31:07because back then all the

31:08guys were kicking with their insteps yeah they were either hitting you with the

31:10heel or the instep

31:11either they're hitting you with hook kicks and wheel kicks and side kicks or

31:14they're hitting you with

31:15roundhouse kicks with the instep but the thai's had figured out a long time ago

31:19thousand years ago

31:20thousands isn't it crazy oh my gosh here it is so here's the fight and so this

31:26dude had a complete

31:28traditional look he's a low calf kick wow way back in the days and he's still

31:32wearing the karate boots

31:33like what the man he had the karate boots and that dude is barefoot but rick

31:38had him hurt yeah he hit

31:40him with some wild shit because you know the guy had never seen anybody that

31:43could throw the kind of

31:44techniques that rick could throw i mean he would throw that calves on that guy

31:48i know something

31:49about ties you know you watch those guys their calves are just ridiculous look

31:52at me he hit him again

31:53on the legs just plodding down and rick doesn't know what to do he doesn't know

31:57how to check it

31:58look at that beautiful jump spinning back kick and he dropped the dude with a

32:02punch but he just keeps

32:03getting lit up with these kicks and after a while his legs just became used

32:07there there it is so it was like a

32:09yeah yeah that was sick yeah threw a kick and then the punch right behind it he

32:13threw a left round kick

32:15and then right behind it he lands a perfect punch and it's got the guy really

32:19up guy drops his

32:20mouthpiece he's in real trouble and rick swarms on him but the dude knows how

32:24to survive look he drops

32:26him again almost kicked him in the face when he was down too look at the stare

32:28down there

32:29so rick is you know he's out for blood but this dude probably been fighting

32:34since he was five yeah you

32:36know though they have tie fights when they're really young yeah i've seen them

32:39actually on dirt surfaces

32:41like they just have like people around them and then they're fighting on dirt

32:45but then these leg kicks

32:46started really taking their toll and eventually rick's legs are just chopped

32:51meat and this dude is

32:53just attacking the legs like look at this like right there that was it

32:57i mean he's in agony there he gets up and he just gets punished even more and

33:01at this point the dude's

33:02going across the front of the legs he's going to the back of the legs like

33:05anything he can and that's

33:06it that was a wrap he's just in agony i'm wincing because i i i feel like you

33:11know i feel for him like

33:12i i've felt those kicks before especially low calf yeah i wonder if they're is

33:16that allowed in muay thai

33:18kicking the calf it is allowed yeah it is allowed but the thing about low calf

33:22kick in muay thai first

33:23of all the guy in the they don't have to worry about takedowns right so that

33:27front leg is very light

33:28they're very light and they turn on the outside if you watch there's a jimmy

33:33rivera pedro muñoz

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33:35fight is a good example of how you can check that low calf kick if you plan on

33:40checking it and you look

33:42for it regularly because jimmy rivera is so good at it and he hits it all the

33:45time but in that fight

33:47petro is is aware of it in advance and muñoz checks it over and over and over

33:51again but he

33:52kept landing it on jimmy and he eventually like he won the battle of the low

33:57calf kick yeah but it's

33:59such a punishing kick oh my goodness i think it was the vicente luque i took

34:02three of them and

34:07i don't know if it's it has to do a lot with those three kicks or sometimes

34:11whenever i kick

34:12i roll my hip over maybe a little too much and i start hitting with the outside

34:17of my

34:17calf oh yeah yeah you know instead of the shin yeah so that might that may be

34:22why sometimes i'm

34:23limping afterwards but those like calf kicks are no joke they're brutal i hit rory

34:27mcdonald with lead

34:28leg low calf kicks in that fight and he was limping afterwards he was like he

34:31had to have somebody carry

34:32and walk off with him that's early on in the calf kick game right because

34:37really benson henderson

34:38was the first guy i saw use it really effectively and regularly but then when

34:43you get into the

34:43fights being stopped with low calf kicks you're like wow this is crazy like

34:48guys literally can't walk

34:49yeah and then the conor mcgregor fight was like i mean the whole world got to

34:53see that because even

34:54the casual mma fan watched that fight and walked that is crazy i feel like 2019

34:592020 was like the years of

35:01the low calf kick when it really started to become mainstream right because you

35:05don't have a lot of

35:07muscle there it's bone on bone you know and that that group of muscle is such a

35:13a function for you

35:14to move around it's just like you know you hit that one you know one or two

35:17times good spot and you saw

35:19with sugar was it o'malley just shut him down yeah was that dead foot was what

35:23they call that that happened

35:25also with uh cejudo when he fought mighty mouse mighty mouse kicked him his leg

35:29went numb and he's got

35:30that drop foot drop foot yeah that's what they call it henry survived he

35:34survived he made it through but

35:35it happened to michael chandler and i saw that one it's a crate it's like those

35:40nerves are so exposed

35:41there you hit that one spot i thought he broke his ankle but it was just it's

35:45really like the button

35:46for the calf yeah it's like the the version of on the button for your chin that's

35:51kind of the same

35:51thing for a calf and i think that's the the beauty of that karate style as well

35:55you're starting to see

35:56more and more people doing it but switching sides sometimes switching sides can

36:00just do it for you

36:02well you you switch up quite a bit and you you're much it seems like correct me

36:06if i'm wrong but

36:07you're more comfortable right leg forward with a front leg with my front leg

36:11yes i do i do throw with

36:12my left but my po yeah i love using my right leg you're right hand yeah yeah i'm

36:17right-handed yeah yeah

36:19but um you know i've it's funny because i have you know little things here i

36:24like to do with my left

36:25leg different kicks different kicks i do with my right leg and it's uh but

36:29sometimes preventing

36:31somebody from low calf kicking you so if you had your left foot in front like

36:35when i fought vicente i

36:36come out we're in a closed stance out my left head left foot i can tell he was

36:39just trying to shut me

36:40down most everybody tries to do with my movement is just trying low calf kick

36:43me or take my legs out

36:45and all it takes for me to switch sides they throw that one hard low calf kick

36:49maybe the inside and

36:50i check it a lot of times they think twice about doing it because yeah i do a

36:54lot i spend a lot

36:55of time conditioning my shins my feet and that's just the old school what do

36:58you do my dad um i start

37:01off and actually have a tutorial on this on my on my youtube channel and it was

37:05one of my most popular

37:07videos to be honest i didn't think it was going to be that popular but

37:10everybody wants to know how to

37:11condition their shins but start off and this is something my dad has trained a

37:15lot of guys kick

37:16boxers world champions and um he had he told me you got to dents in the bone

37:23first most guys that

37:25are athletes their bones are pretty dense you know you're jumping you're

37:28running you're getting those

37:28little micro fractures and they heal back up so the bone becomes strong bone

37:32becomes dense i don't

37:33recommend doing this if you're just coming off of the couch and you you haven't

37:37played sports before

37:38because you can end up injuring yourself but just you know you get a muay thai

37:42bag and you know the

37:43lower part of the muay thai bag is harder than the than the rest everything

37:46kind of sinks down

37:46you spend a lot of time hitting that boom just over and over and over again you're

37:51taking a lot of

37:51punishment to that bone and the bone wants to the beefing up then when you go

37:56from that you go to

37:57i have a maki a maki where yeah so it's in our school my dad's on that thing

38:03every day you see my

38:05dude's my dad's hands it's ridiculous he used to punish us he just slapped the

38:08top of our head

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38:09there you go there you go um there's the uh you can go check that out find that

38:15but yeah there's

38:17that's the actual market but you see the tire and that's there to condition the

38:21skin not just

38:22the bone because your skin's got to be um tough conditioned and tough because

38:27you don't know if you

38:28saw when luke rockhold was it during the yo romero fight he had split the skin

38:34from checking uh or

38:35kicking yo romero and it got mercer or something yeah he's still up really

38:41still do you see the

38:41fight that he had with yan bohovic yes he had that thing wrapped up yeah he

38:45wore like a sleeve

38:46over his shin because he's had multiple skin grafts what yeah oh he's his shin's

38:52been

38:52fucked yeah from that fight dude infections like mercer staff that kind of shit

38:59in a cut and an open

39:00wound you have to take care of that that is so dangerous people die from that

39:05that's wild they

39:06had to pack they probably had to pack it you've seen that yeah i can sit there

39:09and watch that on

39:10youtube all day yeah pull those stuff hold it put that video back up so what i

39:14do is i will condition

39:16the skin so that so that way those those splits don't happen right and i've

39:22done this for years

39:23top of the file go from the top of the foot from my toes all the way up to that

39:27knee knuckle on that

39:28top of the shin right below your knee um and i'll do as you start off i i tell

39:32people start off with

39:33doing 10 and you work your way up to doing 50 and then doing 100. and you just

39:38do it do you do it

39:39it's not hard yeah it's not hard and i try and do it three times a week does it

39:44show what you're doing

39:45there i don't know if it does or not yeah they're right there jim and it's just

39:49tapping so that's

39:50how you do it yep just sit there pop and i do both of them and you know

39:53obviously the the more your skin

39:56and shin becomes more conditioned you know you can sink it in there a little

40:01bit now did you when you

40:04went to train from when you went from uh above the waist kickboxing to

40:08incorporating leg kicks did you go

40:10to a tie gym did you what no no just didn't just jump right in jump right in

40:15did you think i'm going

40:16to kick him in the legs too or did you say i'm just going to do what i do no i

40:20i knew that the the legs

40:21were additional targets are we really focused on that really focused on trying

40:26i did a lot of changes

40:27man yeah from when i went from kickboxing to and i learned that through

40:31training with gsp i had fought on

40:34a card in montreal this is when i was in kickboxing this was before i had torn

40:38every ligament in my

40:39left leg in the world combat league when i fought raymond daniels you tore

40:42every ligament every ligament

40:44my left leg what happened first 30 seconds of the first round it was of course

40:48you were in that weird

40:49bowl right and it was um it wasn't canvas and i believe it was first 36th in

40:56the first round i had

40:58fought raymond and uh i guess they didn't clean up where somebody fallen on

41:04their back of the fight

41:05before there was some really some damp spots and i knew raymond daniels he

41:11liked to spin i forgot which

41:13side forward it was but he likes to spin off of i think it might be his left

41:16foot in front so he kicks

41:17with his right leg and i think he was kind of in between switching and i

41:21decided to blitz him then

41:23right i was trying to catch him when he switched and then i had ran in for some

41:27reason

41:28um i had slipped a little bit as i was coming in he grabs me by the neck and he

41:34pulls me to the

41:35side so i step with my left foot my leg was straight then he kind of pulls down

41:39and i just kind

41:39of fold into my leg and it just collapsed inward and that's all she wrote man

41:46it just i could just

41:47feel it just collapse everything just gave way but i just felt every everything

41:52just break just brah

41:53and i'm sitting on the ground rolling here we go watch this right there

41:58boom right oh my goodness dude oh my goodness oh look at you so that's where i

42:02slipped there

42:03he's throwing he pulls he pulls to the left and i step and that's when it

42:08collapsed in oh my god

42:09it just went i remember afterwards i tried to stand up that's where i slipped

42:14boom i pull in he stepped pulls down what it was almost like this i guess

42:21kind of pulls me in it was terrible and then um you have to do a surgery yeah

42:28multiple multiple

42:29surgeries i did cadaver how many surgeries well there was only one original

42:35surgery where they

42:35went in they took 40 of my meniscus out oof uh i did um that's a lot yeah yeah

42:43it was uh is that

42:45the same leg that darren till was uh side kicking you on yeah that's i tore my

42:49mcl during that fight in

42:50the first or second round wow yeah now i actually i showed it and kind of i

42:55kind of back up and

42:56shake it out a little bit i was kind of pissed but you know it is what it is

43:00and then i feel like

43:02like after that i did cadaver tissue so they could beef up my acl as much they

43:07can make it as thick as

43:08they want and then um so what did they they do with the um achilles tendon is

43:13that what they use

43:14for you um i don't know it was i it might have been achilles or i know they use

43:19patella

43:20and they can they can take as much as they want because i know if if they take

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43:23your own they can

43:24take a small portion but the healing time is it's elongated i did both i did patella

43:30on my left leg

43:31and i did cadaver on my right yeah the right they used uh achilles tendon from

43:36a cadaver and it was

43:38great yeah that was that one has never been a problem since the left one was patella

43:43tendon graft

43:44and it took a long time to heal it took like it took a full year before i felt

43:48confident with it and then even

43:49then like if i would uh do anything where i had to get on one knee yeah it

43:53would hurt it would hurt

43:54pretty bad even two knees like even stretching like still yeah you know no not

43:58anymore now it's nothing

44:00now it feels like 100 it doesn't bother me at all but like if i'm uh i'm you

44:04know the one who you uh

44:05you get on your knees and you lean back yeah it took forever before i could do

44:09that one it was just so

44:10tight yes yeah that's how mine was so bad to be on your knees like when your

44:14knees touch because they have to

44:16take a piece of your bone off your kneecap and a piece of bone out of your shin

44:19and they pull it out

44:20with the the piece of the patella and they open you up like a fish and drill it

44:25in place have you seen

44:26those surgeries i watched or knee rip i watched my surgery because i was hoping

44:30i was never going to

44:31do surgery again so i asked the doctor i said can i watch and he goes well i

44:35want to put you under

44:37and i go is there a way where i could watch instead of you putting me under he

44:41goes wow i could give you an

44:42epidural but i don't recommend it and he goes so you did an epidural yeah he

44:46goes he goes i don't

44:47want you to freak out i go i'm not going to freak out i go i want to see it

44:50that's awesome the doctor

44:52was crazy he let me he goes yes you're crazy i'm crazy too give me knuckles let's

44:57go talk to watch

44:59the surgery yeah next surgery i'm watching it it was really weird to do it yeah

45:03it was pretty weird

45:04but you know it it took a it took a while because five months in that ligament

45:10dies and then your

45:12body kind of regenerates yeah your body reproforates it and then the doctor

45:16told me five months in your

45:17knee is going to feel great of course me before that man i feel like i could do

45:21anything you know

45:22i'm sitting here dunking i can do i i've i've got it where i can uh my dad's

45:26six two i can jump over

45:28my dad you know just doing crazy tricking martial arts tricking and i do some

45:33of that if i knock

45:33anybody out on the octagon but that was that my first flip that little corkscrew

45:38i did i used to

45:38do that all the time i don't do that anymore just because it's not worth the

45:42risk yeah i mean it's

45:44crazy because it looks cool but if you like when michael chandler knocked out

45:48dan hooker and then did

45:49that back flip i was like bro or even stop doing that what's his name he was

45:54doing like the body

45:55roll and he hurt his shoulder johnny walker yeah he his shoulder up he was out

45:59for he had to get

45:59surgery haven't been the same since he has a giant scar on his shoulder from

46:03that yeah yeah i know he

46:04hasn't been the same since so it's like you know i didn't listen to him five

46:09months in um sparring and

46:12i end up my knee it just kind of like moves over back in that's what happened

46:16that's what it felt like

46:17yeah like this is where my knee bends it just went and then i was like mess it

46:22up i know i guarantee

46:24it messed it up and i tore it again but i didn't i had stretched it but then i

46:28had tore more meniscus

46:30oh so they had to go back in tighten everything up they had they were they

46:33repaired my meniscus

46:35i'm talking six weeks couldn't put any weight on that leg right it was straightened

46:39the whole time

46:40it's crazy i a lifetime to get your leg to where it is took six weeks for my

46:45thigh to be as big as my

46:47calf yeah it's crazy isn't it just that's what i was out for three years three

46:53years which was kind

46:54of a blessing to be honest with you because i was fighting every all the time

47:00and my dad's been there

47:01with me 24 7 7 days a week training and i wanted to quit i didn't want to fight

47:06anymore burnout i was

47:09burnt man and i didn't know how to tell him didn't know how to tell him because

47:13he's your dad and he's

47:14scary man and he's scary too and to be honest you know i i didn't and he's

47:19always told me that he's

47:21always like man if you don't want to do this let me know but i can always see

47:24you know there's something

47:25in his eyes like he really he wants me to do this of course and then um this

47:30happened right so in that

47:34time those three years i just when the doctor told me i would never do it again

47:39that's when it was like

47:40for real for me like that's when that flame just it rose in my in me that i'm

47:46doing this for you

47:47screw that i'm doing this again what are you talking about you know there's no

47:51way he'll probably never

47:52fight again and uh he's done all my surgeries it's funny because uh i i look at

47:57him like

47:58see remember yeah yeah we were just talking the other day about when i got my

48:06acl

48:06reconstructed and then i had uh meniscus damage i had to get scoped out they

48:10were like you got to

48:11stop doing martial arts and i i was in my 20s i was like what are you talking

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48:15about this is my whole

48:16life yeah this is my identity i'm not stopping like are you fixing this you're

48:21fixing it right

48:22then we're there you go i'm going back in i don't know what you're saying you're

48:26just talking nonsense

48:27because i was looking at him with his belly and like yeah come on pencil arms i'm

48:31like shut your

48:32hole yeah like i'm not going to stop doing this it was one of the reasons why i

48:36ended up injuring it

48:37again because my physical therapy that i was doing was for normal people who

48:42just walked a point a to

48:43point b they're not so my my quad was overdeveloped my hamstring was weak and

48:48that was one of the causes

48:50of me injuring my knees so much so that in that time uh before that injury i

48:56fought in montreal back

48:58to where we were getting to uh i was fighting a guy very tough kickboxer out of

49:03montreal and lo and

49:05behold george st pierre and faraz ahabi was in my opponent's corner and i ended

49:09up knocking that dude

49:10out in the fifth round and then afterwards i think it was kind of kind of wild

49:14he comes up gsp comes up

49:16and faraz hey man we would love to bring in for you know and his his student

49:20was kind of over there

49:21just like this you know he was like uh we would love to bring out for gsp's

49:25camps you know help him

49:26out with the strike and i'm like are you kidding me that's incredible what year

49:30was this oh man 2000

49:33um shoot seven eight six seven eight so this is gsp at the top of the

49:42fucking food chain yeah right this was probably around like the nick diaz fight

49:47it was probably before

49:48that really because i helped him for with uh john fitch tiago alvez matt sarah

49:55um shoot i know there

49:58was more but um was up there and i that's when i knew i was like i i kept

50:03getting taken down every

50:04time i blitz this dude just change his level run right into a level a double

50:07leg ended up on my head

50:08so i was like i gotta make some changes man i gotta i gotta lower my stance i

50:12gotta i can't blitz

50:14straight in i gotta angle off because i'm running into these things and that's

50:19when he was my

50:20inspiration to switch from kickboxing to mma really he was my inspiration yeah

50:25man i mean he was we

50:26became friends man and i was up there helping him out and well he was helping

50:30me out more than i was

50:31helping him out you know that's what it felt like to me i was just at all that

50:35i was up there training

50:37with this guy he's so open-minded too he's the fact that they did that that you

50:41just knocked out

50:42their guy and they're like hey man can we train that's so smart it's so open-minded

50:48and i think

50:48it was the style too like they know there was like something different about

50:51that and maybe i can

50:52i don't know if i could somehow figure that out then these other strikers like

50:58tiago alvez was

50:59i don't know i don't know what they were thinking george started out with shotokan

51:03as well

51:03so because of that style like his that was his original style that karate style

51:08and he always attributes

51:09that to his ability to take people down he said it's his karate blitz like the

51:14the blitz the ability

51:15to close that distance quickly is what allowed him to get really good at double

51:19legs that's awesome

51:20makes sense right it does 100 i mean especially the angles i i you never see me

51:24throw it in you did in

51:26the earlier days i mean when i fought nishan burrell you know i out wrestled

51:31him out struck him but i was

51:33using a lot of wrestling chris clements i was doing a lot of wrestling i was

51:36taking him down but i think

51:38it was after the sean burrell fight i was like joe silva comes up and was like

51:41steven he's like just

51:43remember it wasn't your wrestling that got you here i'm like that's always that

51:47i was like yeah got you

51:48but um you know it was the matt brown fight that i really after that i really

51:54wanted to show my

51:55wrestling because everybody thought i didn't have it and i don't think it was

51:58the fact that i didn't have it i was

52:00just done 30 seconds in the first round i was the weight cut and everything

52:04killed me

52:05and what was it about that fight because that was a weird fight for you it was

52:09it was different man

52:10i just came off of knocking this dude out in the first round got the bonus you

52:15know and it was like

52:15the week i got back they're like hey man you want to you want to fight this guy

52:19matt brown

52:20in a few months i'm like yeah let's make it happen i was like why does that

52:23name sound familiar

52:25and then i looked him up i was like dude this dude's got some fights man he's

52:29he's been in the game

52:30for a while but matt brown yeah fucking savage and yeah he showed it man which

52:35is crap i'll tell you

52:36in a second but we rode back in the ambulance together after the fight because

52:39we beat each

52:40other up so bad but i had hired a new strength in to get a conditioning coach

52:46and you know and i was

52:47doing a lot of heavy lifting i was walking around about 215 never got up above

52:51200 pounds since then

52:54just muscled up and i and i i had you know nate marquard come down from my camp

52:59and i felt great

53:00you know and realizing that everything was going great until i had to cut the

53:05weight

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53:06and you got up to 215 yeah oh my god 210 215 i think my heaviest i was about 215.

53:12so you're cutting 40 pounds

53:1440 pounds killed me um after that weight how far out did you start the cut man

53:21i think a little too

53:22late um trying to come down i mean i was eating chicken i hate chicken until

53:29this day i don't like

53:30chicken since then but um i still felt explosive i guess you know if you are

53:35naturally explosive you're

53:36going to keep some of that even if you gain some muscle um but uh i just cut

53:44well i started

53:44cutting i think i don't remember when i started it but i remember almost

53:48passing out a few times

53:49you know getting down to that weight um

53:52and did you check your weight before you got back into the octagon like when

53:58you fully rehydrated how

53:59heavy did you get i didn't i didn't check it i was up there for sure but still

54:03it was like

54:03of course that whole weight cutting process was still new to me and i know for

54:08a fact we didn't

54:09be like my first fight first fight ever we wouldn't do a longhorn steakhouse i

54:16had about a gallon of

54:17sweet tea like three baked potatoes cheese fries and i even though i knocked

54:22the guy out in the second

54:24round i almost vomited everywhere and so much food oh my gosh that's hilarious

54:29but just just drinking sweet tea and not even drinking water you know what i'm

54:33saying so a little

54:35bit of glucose is probably good for your muscles i think so but but no water i

54:40had zero yeah it was

54:41it was wild man i don't know what we were thinking that's crazy but it wasn't

54:45free sweet tea and no

54:46water sweet tea that's like the nectar of the gods in south carolina sweet tea

54:50man that's one thing i i

54:51have a hard time not drinking during fight camps really oh yeah oh yeah but i

54:57keep a weight now

54:58to where i pretty much eat what i want up until about a week what do you stay

55:01at now at my heaviest

55:03195. oh okay 195. that's a big difference that 20 pound difference and that's

55:09trying that's just

55:10trying to trying to trying to do it you know is it because you don't lift

55:13weights as much anymore or

55:15i think the way that we do it though i have a after the tyrant fight good

55:19reason because the guy was

55:21strong as the knocks i had hired uh uh after that experience with matt brown

55:27you know um i had

55:29uh stopped lifting weights like you're just kind of not going to do it anymore

55:34it's going to stick

55:36with just you know bag work and trying to throw bodies around you know that'd

55:40just be my it worked

55:41for a while until tyrant and i've just felt how powerful that dude was i mean

55:49he was just he was

55:50a different animal when i then he was very smart in how he fought you too i've

55:55always said that if

55:56you want to look at a good way to fight wonder boy look at what tyrant did

55:59because he didn't care if

56:00people were booing he didn't care if people thought it was boring he really was

56:04careful running into

56:05the buzzsaw real careful staying on the outside not a lot of activity but then

56:10when he did have

56:11activity it was like super dangerous explosive movements oh my goodness and he

56:15was he was quick

56:16like but but even since since then he kind of fought the same i don't know if

56:20he just felt like

56:21that was the ultimate way of doing it because he like after that he just fought

56:24the same way just

56:25kept backing up backing up i think what do you think i don't know you know i

56:28think tyrant

56:29i think there's a certain number of years a guy can compete at the top of his

56:35range you know and

56:36everybody's different some guys like randy couture kept going like deep into

56:40his 40s was elite and i

56:42think that was like the style that he was fighting to like that greco roman

56:47wrestling that he had that

56:49experience he can just tie dudes up and he was so good at it that he didn't

56:52take a whole lot of damage

56:53maybe and he was just able to do that i don't know what it is it's like

56:57everybody's got their own

56:59amount like you know like some guys are toyotas and they can get 200 000 miles

57:02on them and some

57:03guys are jaguars and 50 000 miles in they're junk yeah you know it's not the

57:07jaguars are junk

57:09bad example whatever you know i'm saying like some some cars are just ranger

57:13rover how about that

57:14they're just not they're not designed as durable as they don't they don't last

57:19as long and some guys

57:21can just for whatever reason look and bernard hopkins fought at a world-class

57:25level until he was 50

57:27years old and a world-class level like beat world champions up until in his

57:32late 40s i'm trying to

57:34raise on that level crazy trying to be on that that's well that guy was super

57:38super disciplined

57:39ate super clean never got out of shape yeah and you know just and he fought so

57:44defensively responsible

57:46yeah like very smart fighter oh yeah just that iq's just really never got in

57:51crazy wars you know what

57:52as much as i love marvin haggler i'm a giant marvin haggler fan like to the day

57:59i die when marvin

58:00haggler fought tommy hearns he threw everything out the window and it's like i'm

58:03gonna fucking kill

58:05this guy yeah i don't give a shit and just waded into the the fire and tommy

58:10was blasting with big

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58:11shots even had him hurt in the first round you would never see bernard hopkins

58:15fight like that ever

58:16ever he would never be defensively irresponsible he always fought like super

58:22technically

58:22and clever that's why i think izzy adesanya so is is the way he is he's very

58:29when you walk out there

58:31and you see a guy you know getting ready to do battle with somebody and you and

58:36you see do two

58:37different types of guys you see the guy that's very jittery and very just like

58:41just on edge all

58:42the time and and you see somebody like izzy or even connor just there's a calmness

58:46there's a very

58:47calmness about him that's a dangerous guy especially now because izzy's so

58:51accustomed to being

58:52successful yeah at the highest levels i've had so many people go up and fight

58:57him i'm like no no

58:58no they i mean chris weidman throws me around like a rag doll

59:04you know it's funny because you got 170 you got 185 and 185 doesn't seem that

59:12big but these dudes

59:14it's big these dudes are big difference and even in izzy's he's so long and he's

59:19he's a big dude too

59:20i mean he is big he's he doesn't look at he looks like a beanpole yeah but he's

59:24he's big he's just i

59:26don't know it's just it's a different different weight throwing around at that

59:30level it's ridiculous

59:32man i would love to have a sparring you know go up there and sparring with him

59:35i think that would be a

59:36fun experience but when i you know i got chris weidman grasping by my wrist i

59:40feel like a three

59:40year old i can't can't get away there's something about that wrestler strength

59:44it's so uncomfortable

59:46it is but i it's funny because i i love i love being in that situation i love

59:50being and i had to learn

59:51to do that i had to learn to be a to love to get accustomed to being just

59:55having someone just grinding

59:57in you all the time didn't sound right but you know yeah i know what you're

60:00saying you know you

60:02got chris weidman just grinding me well when you were the thing is like you

60:06were so dominant as a

60:07striker that's it shows tremendous character to be able to kind of start from

60:12the ground floor i mean

60:13obviously every fight starts standing up so you do have a big advantage there

60:17but that advantage is

60:18it's it's diminished quite a bit by takedowns by the threat of takedowns by all

60:24these different

60:24aspects of mma and and even fighting in a cage is so much different oh yeah and

60:28fighting in ropes

60:29or in fighting the world combat league that's sort of bowl that's the bowl

60:32thing did you like

60:33that bowl thing no not at all i mean look cool it looked cool looked like a

60:37blood sport yeah you

60:38know uh they're using that for the boss root and karate league karate yeah but

60:44uh karate combat

60:46karate combat it's got like a similar very similar but they have walls so you're

60:50not falling off the

60:51stage right right then it was it was you're like on that fine line when you got

60:55close to that thing

60:56you could go off of it and you got like a three foot drop i've been fighting

61:00forever to have fights

61:02take place with no cage and i'm like if you can have a football field and you

61:07could have all these

61:08dudes run around playing football there's no fence there's no cage and they're

61:13running full blast these

61:14are giant super athletes you're telling me you can't have a fight in the middle

61:18of a football arena

61:20how come you can't have like basketball is another example basketball you got

61:24all these players he's

61:25giant dude seven feet tall they're running around they're fine with his

61:29basketball floor but we have

61:30to have everybody caged in because that cage is an artificial structure yeah it

61:35stops you from moving

61:36that way you get pressed up against it you you can get up quicker from it you

61:41can utilize it to hold

61:42people in place there's a lot of weirdness to a cage it also obstructs the view

61:47it does wow i didn't

61:48really think about that it does and you're better off just kind of like you

61:52know watching it at home

61:54you get a better view at home that's right and you got the commentating on the

61:57grass dude how grass

61:59you got my mind rolling right now dude you can have more than one just more

62:03than one

62:04fights going all at once yeah but that's like a gym where guys collide into

62:09each other and someone

62:10gets a blown out knee oh yes that's how rashad evans lost uh the fight with uh

62:14john jones when uh

62:15where when rashad evans rather lost the fight with shogun he was sparring in

62:21the same ring as

62:22diego sanchez and diego sanchez collided with him and up his knee so rashad had

62:27to pull out of the

62:28fight with shogun john jones steps in takes the fight john jones becomes the

62:32youngest ever light

62:33heavyweight champion youngest ever ufc champion wow yeah crazy look at him now

62:38he looks massive

62:39look at him now he's so i feel like he is i just i don't think it's a good move

62:44can you get massive

62:45enough for francis that's the question yeah or do you want i mean do you want

62:49to right yeah i don't

62:50care how much weight you put on to get up this dude's been carrying that weight

62:53around his whole life

62:55and it's natural and he's explosive yeah there's i mean you got some dudes that

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62:59just even i i've

63:00sparred with guys smaller than me but they just have some kind of power about

63:04them i fought a a pro

63:06body i was up there training with gsp and he was going over to the howards

63:09brothers up in in montreal

63:10and there was a guy adonis adonis creed i don't remember his name adonis he was

63:16a world champion

63:16adonis stevenson the boxer yeah yes yeah oh my god i was in the ring with him

63:21and i know the one

63:23of the howards brothers were i think the oldest he was just happy a white boy

63:26can go up there and box

63:27he's like get up there and spar this guy i didn't know who this guy was yeah

63:30okay you know yeah yeah

63:33sure thumbs up and i go out there i'm sparring this guy he's taking it easy on

63:37me but but you know

63:37whenever he would throw a punch i felt it in my bones i've never been hit like

63:43that and the funny

63:44thing is he's probably taking it easy on me i mean you could there's something

63:48about a guy and which

63:49doesn't make sense for these mma fighters to go over to boxing and it's

63:52exciting but still to do that

63:54it's just a diff it's a different sport it's a different something different

63:58about it it's very

63:59different but i think the most interesting uh crossover is claressa shields claressa

64:06who was a

64:07two-time olympic gold medalist in boxing now she's fighting in mma and she's

64:12still young and she

64:14looks great like she she's crushing i've seen her some of some of her photos

64:17you know some of the

64:18videos she's putting out there she's doing some work in those hands you don't

64:22want no part of those

64:23hands with little gloves she's big she in the olympic yeah well she's 55 oh

64:30yeah it's it's it's a weight

64:32above really is she is she picked up by anybody yet pfl pfl because the pfl

64:37up everybody yeah they're doing a good thing they're they're being very smart

64:41you know they're

64:42getting really good fighters they got rory now they got showtime uh pettis is

64:46there uh john

64:47doomsday howard is over there they've got good fighters over there they have

64:51they have a good roster

64:52and they're putting more in kayla harrison and she is probably the most

64:57exciting female fighter outside

64:59of claressa that's not in the ufc and you know judo gold medalist beast beast

65:04of an athlete

65:05and uh she'll she'll probably wind up fighting claressa and that's

65:10claressa's got it it's got it she needs a lot of time to get to that because

65:14obviously you know what

65:15it's like when when a real and out world-class judo player grabs a hold of you

65:20yeah like you just like

65:21oh my god i remember i rolled with caro parisian when car was in his prime it

65:25was like rolling with a

65:26chimp it was really just like you just get thrown around like what in the that's

65:32how that's

65:32what i heard it was like rolling with uh marcelo garcia oh yeah i'm sure just

65:36the gorilla strength

65:37that guy has got just uh he doesn't look it yeah i heard he's just so strong ryan

65:41hall told me he was

65:42just ridiculous well his legs are so preposterously big yeah and marcelo was so

65:47good at utilizing his

65:48legs like his x guard and his sweeps and then when he would take your back he

65:52would crush you with those

65:54legs his legs were like these crazy tree trunks big casp i mean he was short so

65:58he's got like he

65:59looked like the beast from x-men he looked like a champ yeah like a champ yeah

66:03yeah and ryan told me he's

66:04like you know i i look at ryan i like he's you know he's here and he said marcelo

66:08he said marcelo

66:08is just there's a few guys i've rolled with where you're just like jeez jake

66:11shields is another one

66:12oh my god crazy strong ridiculous have you spar have you rolled with chris weideman

66:17no i can only

66:17imagine chris weideman in his prime like on his way up to the title like when

66:23he smashed leota machida

66:25like when he was smashing people chris weideman was a monster he competed in i

66:29think the abu dhabi

66:31i think in a vitor belford i'm thinking not okay did he fight leota he did yes

66:36five fives i was

66:37right that was his that was the fight right after the second uh anderson they

66:41went the distance yeah

66:42that was you know what i was actually thinking i was thinking of him and vitor

66:46belford because he

66:46destroyed vitor belford just crushed him yeah but he uh he competed in abu dhabi

66:51i think a year of

66:52jiu-jitsu and i think he made it the it was controversial i think he was

66:56beating everybody and he

66:58i forgot he was going up against but he but he ended up losing well he was such

67:02a such a powerful

67:03wrestler yeah you know i remember when he knocked out munoz and when he was on

67:07his way up to the

67:07title and you know he was just on another level like and i remember ray longo

67:13saying he he like

67:15after one of his fights ray long looked at me the kid's a motherfucker i'm

67:19telling you that kid's a

67:21motherfucker we call him the godfather he because he looks just looks like a

67:25mafia guy right the way he

67:26talks he's great such a character i love him he was in south carolina not too

67:29long ago him and matt

67:30sarah are my all-time favorite corner guys to listen to the two of those guys

67:33together they're such

67:35characters they're so funny they are they're awesome the two of them together

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67:39energy yeah they they feed

67:41off of each other oh yeah it's just that that guido energy yeah they're so they're

67:45so hilarious and

67:46they're both like super talented martial artists too they know what they're

67:49talking about but they

67:50have all this personality and flavor yeah i all i feel like i all the the whole

67:54team up there is

67:54like that well it's what a team i mean just think about like you have henso

67:58gracie that academy has

68:00produced more elite grapplers i think than any other academy on earth and still

68:05to this day right john

68:06donnaher comes out of there the donnaher death squad is dominating nogi

68:10competition you know you got

68:11gordon ryan who is pretty much universally regarded as the best nogi grappler

68:15of all time right he's only 26 years

68:18old 25 years old he comes out of there like he's 25 yes pull up gordon ryan i

68:24think gordon's 25 at the

68:26most i think he's 26. and his brother his brother's nasty nikki ryan he's nasty

68:31eddie cummings came out

68:32of there 25 25. he hasn't lost in 39 bouts in jujitsu that's crazy and that's

68:39unheard of i watched some

68:40of his his like recent stuff too like well before the whole kobe thing and it

68:44almost looks like he just

68:46rolls so slow and like he's playing with these dudes he's at such an advanced

68:49level they don't take a

68:50single day off i talked to donna her about that because i'm trying to get them

68:54to move out here

68:55yeah because donnaher was like cuba they're in puerto rica yeah they're in puerto

68:59rico um donnaher

69:01they had this event out here and then afterwards we all went to dinner and we

69:05were all hanging out and

69:06donnaher was uh telling me that he has people come over and uh you know they

69:10have these brutal training

69:11sessions he's like all right i'll see you tomorrow he goes tomorrow you guys do

69:14this every day he goes

69:15every day he goes seven days a week seven days a week because what about christmas

69:19christmas like they're there christmas they're there every day they don't i go

69:24you don't believe

69:24in rest days he goes no he goes just train lighter active recovery i'm like wow

69:30but you look the

69:32results speak for themselves yeah i but i there's something with that because i

69:36train every day

69:36sometimes two twice a day yeah still seven days a week don't take a day well

69:41sunday off i take sunday

69:43off church that and just to film a day off filming oh for your youtube channel

69:48have you always taken

69:50sunday off um always yeah just uh kick back and just do nothing yeah i think

69:56you'd need a day of

69:57that no but these guys are not i mean don but donnaher is a he's a strange cat

70:03because he's a super

70:04genius i i've i've i met him through gsp when i was going up there training

70:08with him he was in gsp's

70:10corner and and through him is how i met chris so think about that combination

70:15you got weidman ray

70:16longo matt sarah donnaher henzo gracie you also have farasa hobby who i think

70:21is the best mind in mma

70:23when you're talking to that guy about strategy and about training and he's

70:27without a doubt one of the

70:29masterminds of sport you got gsp you got the whole tri-star say rory oh yeah i

70:34mean crazy it's a crazy

70:36group of people that all came out of this one sort of uh group of human beings

70:40yeah that's that's

70:43ridiculous it's amazing affiliation oh yeah you know that affiliation of all

70:47those top schools together

70:49yeah i would go up there you know with chris and that first sparring session

70:53was crazy yeah you also have

70:55gary tonen who's now killing it in one fc you know and he's one of the most

70:59elite grapplers on the

71:00planet too he's a part of that group what is he fighting at one fc one fc yeah

71:04what weight i think

71:06he's well you know one fc has no they have a hydration thing yeah where they

71:10check your hydration

71:12like that i like it a lot i like it a lot yeah i like it a lot i don't i don't

71:16believe in weight

71:17cutting i think it's i think it's sanctioned cheating that was that was the big

71:22kicker for

71:23me too from going from kickboxing too i didn't cut any weight you know i'd go

71:26up a weight class but when

71:27i had to learn how to do it it took some time it wasn't until probably the whitaker

71:33fight really that

71:35i finally found a good way of doing it really yeah we were just winging it we

71:40were asking so how did you

71:42learn how to do it weidman didn't show you how to do it um it might have been

71:46okay it might have

71:47been before that's right because i was with i was with weidman at that way at

71:49that fight maybe it was

71:50the chris clements fight but no i mean we were asking you know it was actually

71:56gsp and fros

71:57they kind of we called them and listen man we're dying here what's we need we

72:01need some help

72:02no you never thought about like uh getting a george lockhart or someone like

72:05that to come at the time

72:07work with you not at the time do you use someone like that now um i used uh tyler

72:12minton

72:12tyler minton was it i was using perfecting athletes for a while the ladies were

72:16great man i loved them

72:17but um we ended up going with tyler minton the dude is just he's it's funny i'm

72:23family i mean i'm

72:24having full-on meals and still losing weight really oh yeah how are you doing

72:27that what are you doing

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72:28differently so you know obviously i i think i think a lot helps with just being

72:33coming into fight week

72:34lighter you know i i during fight camp training through two or three times a

72:38day i naturally get

72:39to 185 and i stay there up until the tuesday um before the fight this ufc

72:45usually brings us in on

72:46tuesday i water load on on sunday so i'll drink three gallons of water which

72:50takes all day um so i

72:53naturally get to 185 halfway through camp i stay there the sunday before the

72:58fight week i'll drink three

73:00gallons of water why why on sunday before fight week yeah that's when i just

73:03when i start my water

73:04load i i know i hate drinking water i drink maybe a half a gallon sweet tea man

73:09sweet tea or i gotta

73:10flavor the water with something i can't i can't stand it do you are you

73:13drinking distilled water when

73:15you're doing this with the water load just regular water regular water and um

73:19still taking vitamins and

73:21minerals because you can deplete yourself right i had a buddy of mine go

73:23through eight hours of body

73:24cramps man cutting weight you're not taking the you know potassium and the

73:29magnesium and things like

73:31that so and then after that i take a i just saturate my body well i cut a half

73:36a gallon off each day

73:37so we show up on tuesday tyler men's there he's got my three three meals ready

73:42and little snacks in

73:43between little butter balls i don't know what is all one of the ingredients

73:47like little little protein like

73:50little butter balls man with like um some kind of seasoning almond butter it's

73:54like maybe almond

73:55butter and some of them and he's got this one now it's like a chocolate flavor

73:59so it if you have any

74:00kind of cravings it just gets rid of all those cravings and i'll do like he'll

74:03make like uh chicken

74:05with with spaghetti or um zucchini spaghetti spaghetti spaghetti squash yeah

74:11spaghetti it's just phenomenal

74:12meals man i'm still losing weight really and i'll still work out once a day

74:16small portions regular

74:17portions um i mean i wouldn't say your average maybe a little less than average

74:22which but enough but

74:24enough man i feel great yeah and sometimes that's like man i shouldn't be

74:28feeling this full right

74:29now i'm all right just trust the process that he says just trust the process

74:32and he's been great

74:33so he's been doing this for mma fighters for a long time for a while yeah for a

74:39long time i think

74:40he started with uh george lockhart i'm not sure when i talked to lockhart about

74:44it and he's explaining the

74:45science behind weight cutting like what wait a minute like he's doing it based

74:50on like how much

74:51muscle mass you have and how much water they can draw out of your muscle mass

74:54and where you're at

74:55now versus where you need to be right before they drain you out and he was

74:58explaining that the bigger

75:00your muscles are the more water you can cut yeah so you got like yoel romero or

75:04tyron yeah tyron

75:05can cut a shitload of water but i gotta think that still is depleting you and

75:09if you could just

75:10weigh what you weigh i would agree why is that not cheating how come steroids

75:16are cheating but that's

75:17not cheating like when you see a guy like um you know fill in the blank for

75:21some some some guy who

75:22cuts a shitload of weight whoever it is when they're weighing in at 170 but you

75:26know they're really

75:27195 200 by the time they get on the scale it's crazy because you're not a 170

75:32the 170 pound champion

75:34of the world bitch you're not 170 you were 170 for 10 minutes yeah like you're

75:39not 170 i mean i understand

75:41that everyone's doing it and it's okay because everyone's doing it but it's not

75:44healthy for the

75:45fighter it's it's completely lying to the general public yeah you know like

75:50when you see these guys

75:52like some guys they're cutting weight and you look at them you're like what are

75:55you doing yourself like

75:57tj dillshaw perfect example yeah when he goes down to fight henry cejudo he's

76:01walking around like a

76:02guy from the walking dead yeah it looks like he's like he looks like death and

76:06he performed i mean

76:08i feel like you're not holding the amount of water you should too like it i don't

76:12know if that was why

76:14he got knocked out i was right on the button but still it's not good for your

76:17brain right it's

76:18none of that's good for your brain i mean he was so up before that fight and

76:21that's why

76:22he really should have never gone down to 125. and that's one of the reasons why

76:25i walk around lighter

76:26i just feel like i'm smarter it's smarter i feel so fast i feel i still i feel

76:32a lot faster even

76:32the guys are walking around a lot bigger they're stronger probably right off

76:35the bat but

76:36you're healthier yeah like a lot of guys their careers really flourished once

76:41they moved up in

76:42weight you know masvidal is a good example right whitaker whitaker is a perfect

76:46example right at 170

76:47he was struggling he's a big guy god damn he looked good against kelvin how

76:52good did he

76:52i'm ready i'm ready for that fight i'm ready for the adesanya fight let's

76:56pretend the adesanya fight

76:57never happened and you saw him versus kelvin and you saw stylebender versus kelvin

77:02you'd go wow

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77:03whitaker's want to win that's a great fight i want to see that fight i still

77:06wouldn't think

77:07i mean you know it's hard it depends on what else you saw from stylebender yeah

77:11if you saw stylebender

77:12versus uh borachina yeah and you'd go okay okay because paulo costa looked like

77:18a destroyer

77:19and stylebender lit him on fire and pissed on the ashes yeah that was crazy

77:24that was crazy

77:25that was to call it like that and then to to like say i'm just gonna pick this

77:29guy apart make him

77:30look foolish and he did and he did that's and then dry humped him after we put

77:35him away i don't know

77:36about that because that just kind of that's just weird to me but i'm telling

77:40you i'm in i'm in for

77:41the dry humping whatever he does i'm in i and i love the fact that he had the

77:46courage to go up and

77:47fight dominant that's what it is 205 you know i mean that was an interesting

77:50thing right because when

77:51he fought bohovich he didn't even gain any weight but he didn't get beat up no

77:56he didn't get beat up

77:58he really didn't but he did get dominated in the grappling exchanges with

78:02pretty much shut out

78:04any talk of him ever fighting john jones yeah the size i think the the strength

78:08and also grappling

78:09ability yeah you know the reality is when you have a big guy like bohovich but

78:14i would like to take

78:15bohovich's bones and like i'm bringing them to a scientist go what the is going

78:20on with this dance

78:21where's he from poland so legendary polish power the polish power that

78:26motherfucker can

78:27punch ridiculous you think about rock hole when he fought oh my god one left

78:31hook i think i think

78:32that's john jones's mistake he's doing the same thing rock hole did when he

78:35moved up putting on

78:37put on a lot of weight a lot of weight yeah and it will slow you the down it'll

78:41slow you down

78:42what's interesting about bohovich is you watch john jones versus dominic reyes

78:46they go five hard

78:48rounds a lot of people thought reyes might have won the decision john jones

78:51clearly came on the

78:52championship rounds pulled it out and you go okay but close fight you see bohovich

78:58versus dominic

78:59reyes dominic reyes is like what in the is going on yeah by the time the first

79:03round is over he's

79:04got a giant foot on his rib cage body kick crazy power that guy has in

79:08everything and then he clips

79:10him with one punch and you see dominic reyes give out and he puts him away like

79:14that guy can

79:15fucking punch in a weird way gotta have something yeah like you said just the

79:19size of him the density

79:20of that guy weird just looks like you couldn't pick him up yeah you know he's

79:23got crazy but he's

79:24talking about fighting ngano blohovich blohovich bohovich says he wants to

79:29fight in gano

79:29whoa i i would love that fight that's crazy i would love to see that fight but

79:35i wonder if

79:35he would put weight on i wonder how much he would weigh i don't know because he's

79:38got to cut a little

79:39weight to get to 205. he's got to but i'm probably he probably walks around 220-ish

79:43yeah something like

79:44that probably yeah you think he fights at 205 yeah 15 pounds 15 pounds ain't

79:50for a big guy like that

79:51yeah i think maybe 200. i i he's a big guy yeah he's massive i mean chris at

79:58his heaviest 225.

80:00really yeah why did chris fight 205 when he fought dominic reyes i don't know i

80:04i did he get

80:05tired of cutting weight or what was that about possibly i mean he's had 25

80:10something 24 surgeries

80:12wow 24 yeah he's got a titanium plate in his neck right two i think he's had

80:18two neck surgeries he's

80:20got he's getting knee surgeries but the dude just looks he's just uh he's an

80:25animal well it's mental

80:27toughness yeah i mean i i figure if you wrestle at some point in your life or

80:30especially doing as long as

80:32he has that wrestling instills that mindset in you oh yeah well you think about

80:37so many all-time

80:38greats like we talked about randy couture before cain velasquez he's another

80:42example a guy whose

80:43mind was stronger than his joints like his body just started giving out his

80:47shoulders back his knees

80:49everything started giving out yeah but his mind was just impenetrable i mean

80:54when that mental toughness

80:57meets the actual physical limitations of your tissue that's the problem and

81:02that's man because i know i

81:04know that you know my knees ache every now and then but i mean even that it's

81:08like yeah i get lower

81:09back problem every now and then i feel like i'm about to die i can't imagine if

81:13your whole body he's

81:14had 24 surgeries yeah what else has he had knee surgeries he's got a knee thumb

81:20sir he broke his thumb

81:21i forgot how much fight it was he's got this scar that goes from here oh i mean

81:24it's just enough

81:25that was a long time for him to heal from that one right yeah but the guy i

81:28mean it's funny because

81:29he doesn't he doesn't move around like it does like he's he you know spent some

81:34time with me for this

81:35camp he's fighting this weekend and just felt better than he ever has well i

81:40talked to al jermaine sterling

81:42before sterling got his neck surgery because uh i had heard that he was getting

81:45neck surgery and

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81:46i've had bulging discs in my neck so i called him up and i said hey tell me

81:50what you got going on i was

81:51going to see if maybe i could send him to because he was getting his neck

81:54surgery done in california i

81:56said why don't you talk to my doctor maybe they could do regenicine on your

81:59neck yeah or and stem

82:01cells and maybe you could postpone it but apparently his disc was so fucked up

82:05that they just had to

82:07replace he he had he was atrophying one of his arms he was so pinched and this

82:11and this was actually

82:12before the fight with uh peter yan um and then when he got dumped on his head

82:18in that fight in the first

82:19round and then he got kneed in the head that illegal knee in the fourth round

82:24he was fucked and from

82:25then on he said he lost all strength in one of his arms um because the nerve

82:29was pinched like he couldn't

82:30activate his tricep it was pretty up that's what chris was complaining about

82:34that too not be able to he

82:35couldn't lift his arm above shoulder level yeah and it was just and of course

82:39they're both wrestlers so

82:40i mean al jermaine talked to uh weidman okay and that's one of the reasons why

82:45he got the disc

82:46done in his neck gotcha so they replace it yeah they put a an articulating

82:51titanium disc in it go to

82:53al jermaine sterling's instagram please he's got x-rays of his neck where you

82:59can see this disc that's been

83:01screwed into his neck they go in through the front too they cut the front of

83:05your neck they

83:06push everything out of the way they push the they just everything out and they

83:10cut the bad disc out

83:11they pull it out and they put this fake disc and eddie bravo has one of his

83:15lower just easier access

83:16to it i guess going through going through the front yeah i guess so that is in

83:19al jermaine sterling's neck

83:21now look at that it's like a rubber just a rubber uh sponge i guess in there no

83:27no no it's all

83:28titanium the whole thing is titanium so it sits that that thing on top sits in

83:33like a divot and

83:34it articulates and it's very strong and it guys those those spikes that go

83:38through it they dig into

83:40the bone so that has to anchor into the bone so the tissue has to grow around

83:44those spikes and then

83:45apparently he can do everything he can get guillotined he can wrestle he can do

83:50all kinds of

83:50shit and like i said eddie bravo has one in his lower back i have uh so many

83:56discs in my back that

83:58are like my my disc meat the uh the spongy part is starting to wow get pushed

84:03away i know the older

84:04you get too but still i mean obviously you're an athlete more than anything is

84:08that what happened

84:09with you yeah it's just been getting getting all the above just all the years

84:14of like getting

84:16shoved into we punched and kicked and this happening yeah and then you know you

84:20fight off guillotines

84:21and then you get stacked in your guard and then you know your back so all it's

84:26called um

84:27it's disc degeneration is what they call it but uh or stenosis and what's

84:31happening is all those

84:33discs are getting smaller and smaller and smaller until eventually they start

84:36rubbing on each other

84:37like there's nothing there with pat miletich this is how tough pat miletich is

84:41he never got surgery

84:43but his discs he had no more meat in between the bone and the bones fused

84:48together on their own

84:49so what he can't he can't even look he's like this yeah one of his arms doesn't

84:54work right like

84:55pat miletich he just just didn't do anything about it just dealt with the pain

85:00and his bones just

85:01fucking fusing to get like a like a tree growing around a mailbox just

85:05so i feel like just one day he just needs to go like ah just to break

85:12everything up you know what

85:13i mean i don't think he can anymore i think it's fused together but i think

85:17there was one fight that

85:19he was going to do when he was older i think when he fought henzo gracie i

85:22think that's who he fought

85:24but pat someone had said that he had neck surgery and they wanted to make sure

85:29that he was still okay

85:31to fight after neck surgery he's like hey i never had any fucking neck surgery

85:34like i didn't have neck

85:35surgery and so there was a rumor going so he had to get a bunch of different mris

85:40and tests done so

85:41that they could determine whether or not he had had neck surgery just because

85:45his neck was so

85:46fucked up they just assumed that he had surgery wow because that i think boss

85:50rootin had that surgery

85:52and he can't yo boss is messed up bad he has one arm that he calls baby arm

85:56because his his nerves are

85:58so shut off that one of his arms had atrophied so small that it's like it's a

86:03he has a a regular

86:04arm for his left his big ass bicep and his right arm is like really small where

86:08he can't even hold up

86:09a gallon of milk stop it boss rootin one of the greatest fucking martial

86:13artists of all time

86:15he picks up a bottle like a jug of milk and his arm is like i think it'd still

86:20kill you though

86:21he'd probably still fuck you up bro his legs are fine and not even close hand

86:25just open hand slap

86:26you open hand yeah because that's how they did it right they didn't they didn't

86:31they didn't the

86:31style pancrease but he won the heavyweight title too remember yeah and you know

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86:34fought in the ufc

86:35knocked out teoshi kosaka his neck was already fucked up by then because he had

86:39been you know sparring

86:40with rico rodriguez back when rico was in his prime and doing a lot of jujitsu

86:44and he actually

86:45his neck up though on sons of anarchy on the tv show that's what yeah yeah he

86:51told me he was doing

86:52a stunt scene and in a stunt scene you know you're you're doing this thing with

86:56this fake fight and he

86:58falls on his head and his neck gets jacked and then he had to get his discs fused

87:03so he had a bunch of

87:04discs fused in his neck and apparently it impinged upon the nerves and it

87:09became even worse and he's had

87:11multiple surgeries he had to go and get stem cells he's he's gone and got yeah

87:15a bunch of different

87:16treatments to try to deal with it and it's getting slowly better yeah and

87:19stronger but over years and

87:21years like when boss told me about this it was four or five years ago it's

87:26still not nowhere near full

87:28strength golly yeah it's just you know they're coming up with new stuff every

87:32day it's just gonna

87:34before long where you can just replace something well he could have done that

87:37but that wasn't available for

87:38him back yeah this artificial disc the first guy that i ever heard of is that

87:41boss look at that

87:42oh my like actual screws insane that's insane it's like actual like carpenter

87:48screws so he has four

87:49discs that are screwed together look look at that how i got like five discs how

87:55nervous you got to be

87:57just to go in and do something like that that is so crazy he's got five discs

88:02screwed together wow

88:04so his whole upper neck is just fused like look how they're they see those

88:09bottom ones yeah there's no

88:11space in between the bones wow they're all just smooshed together oh that's

88:16crazy so that's why when

88:18you see like a an older man they start shrinking and they start yeah back it's

88:22like that that's what's

88:23going on like you're losing all the space in your discs have you seen the what

88:28is it like the y straps

88:30what's a wash drop so it's like a chiropractic thing where they just

88:33take your neck and oh and have you seen that i don't believe in chiropractors

88:40i think chiropractors incorporate a lot of effective and legitimate physical

88:44therapy techniques

88:46but the idea of like cracking your neck and all that's this is chiropractic

88:49ready

88:49i just chiropractic my knuckles your knuckles it's just it's nonsense it just

88:53looks like it feels so

88:54good though there it is yeah right here that feels good though when they do

88:56that and they pop the neck

88:58oh but that the way to do it the real way to do it though is decompression yeah

89:04you can hang it upside

89:05down no you could pull those chin straps on and it hangs on a door like the the

89:10top of a door yeah

89:11and then you can literally allow your own body weight to relax your spine i

89:16used to go to a

89:18see i went to a chiropractor and this motherfucker for a year was telling

89:21because i had a bulging disc

89:23i knew something was wrong and it was like slowly getting worse and slowly

89:25getting worse and i was

89:26still doing jujitsu and he was like he's like no it's so you have like a muscle

89:30pull i'm gonna

89:30subjugate your c5 and they do this little back thing and twist you you're good

89:34you're good and i was

89:35not good it kept getting worse and this is how the guy told me that i didn't

89:39have a bulging disc

89:40he pushed on the top of my head he's like does that hurt i go no he's like then

89:43you don't have a

89:44bulging disc but he's not a doctor this is the thing when they say doctor of chiropractic

89:48medicine

89:49take a guess at how much time they spend in medical school

89:52zero seconds you want me to say like zero seconds zero not a second they didn't

90:00even walk in and then

90:01leave they they're not a doctor the doctor of chiropractic medicine now chiropractic

90:06medicine

90:07was it invented by a guy who was a magnetic healer who came up with the idea of

90:13chiropractic science

90:14through a seance he was murdered by his son who was a con man and his son took

90:20over the business

90:21so the con man took over the 1800s wow so it's just one of those legacy things

90:26it's been around for a

90:27long time what yeah there's no like there's no real evidence that it works in

90:32here watching this stuff

90:32on you it feels great it looks like it feels good yeah it feels good when they

90:36pop it but

90:37as far as it being able to heal you from things no there's there's a lot of chiropractors

90:42though

90:42that are legit physical therapists and they incorporate a lot of deep tissue

90:46massage and a lot of like

90:48real physical therapy techniques that do work but the whole idea of chiropractic

90:54medicine when they

90:54first invented it was they're going to crack your back and fix blindness fix

90:58leukemia if you go and

91:00listen there's a great article called chiropractors are bullshit and it's by

91:04this was that woman's name

91:06that wrote that article she's been on the podcast i'm sorry i apologize to her

91:12right now just my brain

91:14is like an overused hard drive i don't have any space but it's a great article

91:18because it details the

91:20whole history of where chiropractors got started where the whole a lot of chiropractors

91:24don't even know

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91:25this like a lot of chiropractors they go to chiropractic school yeah and they

91:29think they're

91:30going to learn something that's really effective and works and some of it's the

91:34placebo effect some

91:35of it is just it feels good just just loosening muscles like you can break up

91:38tissue with your elbow

91:40that's why rolfing is legit right you're breaking up fascia and scar tissue and

91:44it allows people to move

91:45better and it can help them heal i love that getting those deep tissue massages

91:50it's coming to you it's coming to you how do you say her last name she french

91:56no well she's american

91:57but she's awesome yeah but she's really funny too and and there the article is

92:02great because the way

92:03she writes it's like it's very abusive and but hilarious funny but it's called

92:08chiropractors are

92:09bullshit yeah like that's the the name of the article and when i remember

92:12reading this all

92:13i'm like motherfucker so anyway i wound up going to a real this before she said

92:17this right i i was

92:19having real i was like i got to go to a neck specialist i went to a neck

92:21specialist there it is

92:22that's the that's the article yeah how do you say that don you've had tremont

92:27yeah yvette

92:28done done tremont sorry vet but she's awesome but that article is excellent you

92:35shouldn't trust him with

92:36your spine or any other parts of your body but just you should read that it's a

92:39great article so i i

92:41knew something was wrong i just i felt like i was being bullshitted and every

92:44time i'd go it was like

92:45100 bucks i was like this is crazy so then i went to a legit spine specialist

92:49he's like you have a

92:50bulging disc he's like here it is he shows me the mri it's like see how it's

92:53pushing against your nerve

92:55that's why you have elbow pain that's why your fingers are going numb he's like

92:58yeah well we can

92:59use decompression therapy that'll help you and they they put you in this

93:03harness and then you lie

93:04on a table you find some relief yeah like slowly decompress but it was in santa

93:08monica and with

93:09traffic it was like a a hour and a half to get there it was annoying so then i

93:13got they wouldn't

93:13let you take something home oh you got one i got one of those things off amazon

93:17you ever seen those

93:17things it sits on the top of a door dude they're great and you pull it like

93:20this click click click

93:21click click and it's like you're kind of hanging from it and it just loosens

93:25your neck and decompresses

93:26but then i got regenikine and regenikine is like an advanced form of platelet-rich

93:32plasma and i knew

93:34that um peyton manning had gone to germany for that and kobe bryant did it and

93:38you had to go out of

93:39state to do that i used to go to germany germany you used to have to go to germany

93:42but i got very

93:43fortunate in that as when i was dealing with my injury they had set up a place

93:49in santa monica so you

93:51go there and i did that and within two weeks i had no pain it's still there it's

93:55lifestyle medicine

93:56and this is legit like this isn't nonsense like i went and got an mri

94:00afterwards there's no more

94:01bulging disc it relaxed and it it reduces it's it's what it is is they take

94:06your blood they spin it in

94:07a centrifuge we've talked about how this works before i don't remember the

94:11exact process of see if you pull

94:13up what regenikine does but shout out to my man dr ben ruhi he's taking care of

94:17me with a bunch of

94:19different his name's moshe ben ruhi his uh he's taking care of me with a bunch

94:24of different injuries

94:25with regenikine and then later on with biologics like stem cells and stuff like

94:30but they healed my neck

94:32like all the problems in my neck went away it took a while but i did it smart

94:35it took many months of no

94:37no yanking on my neck no guillotines no nothing no craziness and now i have

94:41zero problem really

94:43so did you i mean is this something you have to kind of keep going back and

94:46doing you do if you injure it

94:47again but one of the things that i also incorporated is a machine called the

94:51iron neck have you ever seen

94:52that yes yes that's amazing really that strengthened my neck tremendous one

94:56thing i'm constantly i got

94:57this giraffe neck right so every everybody's wanting to just guillotine oh yeah

95:01next thing you know walk

95:02around the next two weeks okay so here it goes how does is dr peter welling is

95:06the guy who uh invented it

95:08the uh treated uh regenikine serum holds up to 10 000 times the normal

95:13concentration of anti-inflammatory

95:15protein this protein known as interleukin one receptor antagonist uh blocks the

95:21inflammation

95:22causing counterpart interleukin one dr christopher evans director of the

95:26rehabilitation medical center

95:28medicine center in the mayo clinic explained it this way the bad interleukin

95:33interleukin one combines

95:34with a specific receptor on the surface of the cell the response to it it docks

95:38there and after that all

95:39sorts of bad things happen the good interleukin continued evans is inter is the

95:44interleukin one

95:45receptor antagonist material this blocks the cell's receptor the cell doesn't

95:51see the interleukin one

95:52because it's blocked and therefore bad things don't happen uh it's the thought

95:57that the il-1 ra may

95:59also counteract the substance that lead to cartilage and issues breakdown and

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96:05artheo uh tissue breakdown

96:06and uh osteoarthritis wow so it is it says does is regenerating effective i can

96:12tell you it's and he is

96:13the and he is the founder he's pretty much dr peter welling got you and he's

96:17the guy that's in germany and

96:18most of these guys like kobe bryant and even dana white went over there for his

96:23tinnitus he has tinnitus in

96:24his knee but it's it's great for arthritis it's great for people with uh back

96:29issues knee issues

96:30disc issues anything that involves inflammation so for me the disc and all the

96:34the tightness and the

96:35inflammation once i got the regena keen treatment it all relaxed and the disc

96:40tissue went back in

96:42but doctors were telling me to get surgery they were telling me that they could

96:46cut that piece of disc

96:47out yeah and then and this doctor doctor ben rue he said well listen let's try

96:52this first well was

96:53this something i'm pretty sure yeah so they're fairly new okay because a lot of

96:57these doctors

96:57they studied these techniques decades ago right and it's they're effective they

97:01can't help you because

97:02that cut that disc material out yeah but that disc material is important that's

97:06cushioning that keeps

97:07your your discs healthy so through this technique it reduced the um the the

97:12inflammation in the area and

97:14then the disc material went back in through so through spinal decompression

97:19therapy and through regena keen

97:21and then through this this kind of therapy they just inject it yeah wow it's

97:25pretty gnarly there's

97:26images on my instagram of me getting it in my back i've had it done like five

97:30times wow i've had

97:31it done in my mid back my lower back my neck just because it makes you feel

97:34great in germany every

97:35time no santa monica i did it all done in santa monica lifestyle medicine in santa

97:40monica how

97:41uncomfortable is that needle going into your back was in the muscle or was it

97:44actually in oh it's in the

97:45juice baby stop it yeah there's that makes me cringe images of it ah yeah we

97:50can see all these little

97:51needles in my back there it is that's what it looks like yeah and who puts that

97:57in he does the doctor

97:58does and then uh they they shoot it in there so i had issues in the mid back my

98:05lower back my neck and

98:06after a while i was like every time shit was going wrong i just go in there and

98:10get it done and then

98:11it would feel better wow and they do this from your own blood or just your own

98:14blood yeah they just

98:16take your blood out it's like a 10-hour process and then you go back like the

98:20next day and then they

98:21they would do it so i was trying to get al germain to look at that but

98:23apparently he was so far gone

98:25even dr ben rue he was like he really should get the surgery i just already

98:29made it a point like

98:31it's inevitable in about 20 years i'll probably need new knees new hips how are

98:35your hips my hips

98:36are great kicking really no problems at all so yeah i've never had any problems

98:39with my hips yeah i

98:41don't have any problems at all i know my dad does a little bit so i don't know

98:43if it's something that

98:44he had injured years ago or i don't know well one of the things that i've

98:49incorporated recently i don't

98:50know if you ever heard of this i've talked about this guy so much he's gonna

98:53there's people gonna

98:54think i'm working with him but this is knees over or like in business with him

98:57knees over toes guy do you

98:59know who that guy is on instagram i've heard of him yes he's got this whole

99:01protocol strengthening your

99:03knees strengthening your hip flexors and strengthening like all of the connective

99:09tissue everything that

99:09stabilizes your knees joints and it's made a giant difference for me in knee

99:14pain and just my knee

99:16feels stronger it just feels strong and i've only been doing it a few months

99:19like it hasn't been a long

99:21time and i'm dedicated to it i do it every week now i still do my physical

99:24therapy that i've that i've

99:25been doing just to keep my knees strong because i know guys are going to try

99:28and take them out you

99:29know what i mean yeah well there's look when a guy like you with your mobility

99:33is such a huge part

99:34of your game they're going to always going to try to do that yeah but they can

99:38replace knees now man

99:39it's kind of crazy they can resurface knees that's a rough surgery you could

99:43but you could throw kicks

99:45again and you have no pain it's just like these two crazy composite materials

99:49together that are on the

99:50surface of your knees yeah man you can run you can throw kicks you can do all

99:55kinds of

99:55shit you get heel hooked and you don't feel it

99:57you'd feel it in the ligaments i guess i mean what's the what's the uh the law

100:03on having a

100:04new knee and fighting you can have a new knee and fight really just like you

100:06can have a new neck and

100:07fight yeah there's a lot of guys who have been chris has a titanium disc in his

100:11neck and he's the one

100:12who told al jermaine but i know um guys well brolio estima was the first guy

100:17that i ever heard of the

100:18jujitsu guy brolio was the first guy i ever heard to get one in his neck and

100:22his he had a bad bulging

100:24disc in his neck and won the worlds with it like wow that's what a beast that

100:27dude is golly and then

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100:29those dudes are just jacked yeah you see some of those kids yeah they're all by

100:32the end of like when

100:33they get in their 40s and they're all their backs are all fucked up all of them

100:38everyone's like 40s huh

100:39they're all walking out like this they're getting out of bed like this the one

100:43the one time or any

100:47time i get injured it's not sparring not doing jiu-jitsu it's wrestling oh yeah

100:52guys just snap

100:53that's the hardest that's the hardest shit jacked man it's a crazy getting

100:58picked up and slams oh my

100:59god yeah that is the hardest sport there is in terms of like physical output

101:04mental toughness just

101:06listening to these kids at the ncaa is doing their interviews just hard did you

101:09see jordan burroughs

101:10versus kyle dake yes kyle dake is a monster and that was his every time he's

101:15gone up against this

101:16dude he's lost yep and um i think he dry humped him didn't he or teabagged him

101:21or something didn't he

101:22yes there was a there was a teabag moment well it's because jordan was trying

101:26to take him down and

101:27kyle's defending the takedown and that's apparently a legitimate technique is

101:31to bob up and down the dude's

101:33neck so he wouldn't do it like well yeah it's like because it's super

101:36uncomfortable for when you're

101:38driving in this guy's like jumping up and down and squatting on your head see

101:42if you can find that as

101:44as fun shout out to jordan burroughs because i love that guy yeah i know he's

101:47awesome you've had him on

101:48here i've had he's a brilliant guy really really interesting guy and specimen

101:51yeah just look at him

101:53so is kyle dake there's also some great videos of kyle dake working out and

101:58doing like this really odd

102:00strength and conditioning routine that he does online with this guy who used to

102:04work with jeremy

102:05stevens he was google kyle dake fun we don't need to see the teabag respect

102:11respect to jordan no need

102:13to see the teabag google kyle dake um what is it called functional patterns

102:18that's this is the guy's uh

102:20workout he's a really interesting uh strength and conditioning coach look how

102:25shredded this dude he lost some

102:26weight man so i've seen this right here yeah like core development and stuff

102:32they do a lot of stuff

102:33like you know real similar to a lot well it's not as much plyometrics but the

102:40idea is

102:41they're doing a lot of like weird movements that are applicable like a lot of

102:47big kettlebell swings

102:49and jumps like see how he's doing these things where he's jumping and twisting

102:53it reminds me a little bit of some of the stuff that nick kurson is doing and

102:57some of these other uh

102:59like really innovative strength and conditioning trainers like look at this wow

103:02like really wild

103:04stuff right where he's doing these explosive movements off his back with a

103:08medicine ball jumping

103:09up in the air and then slamming that medicine who is this guy the guy's name is

103:15i'm trying i remember his

103:17program called what's called functional patterns does it say his name i

103:22remember that um jeremy stephens

103:26worked out with him and brought it up what did he say he loved it yeah he loved

103:30it he loved the idea

103:31behind it and he said it was very very effective for him very applicable for mma

103:36training how much

103:37strength and conditioning work do you do right now i'm doing uh twice a week

103:40twice a week twice a week

103:42what does it entail oh my goodness is i go through different different weeks so

103:47as of right now i'm

103:49i'm trying to get this guy's got me stronger but not getting any weight which

103:53is how is that possible

103:55exactly i don't even know the science behind it but there are weeks where i'm

103:58doing like um

103:59where i am kind of bulking right and then i do a week where it's more a cardio

104:05base where i'm kind of

104:06i'm not really i'm kind of shedding uh that muscle down i guess so you're not i'm

104:12not too big

104:13uh a lot of cardio involved a lot of body weight stuff i don't do any olympic

104:18lifts or anything like

104:19that you're just begging for injury yeah doing that kind of stuff but i'm

104:22loving it man i i can't

104:23believe the and i found out about this guy through my buddy carl reed who's one

104:28was one of our fighters

104:29he's been able to contender series a few times but and i saw how explosive this

104:33guy's gotten how

104:35strong he's got even though he's a bigger guy if i said 205 i kind of kind of

104:38see how fast and how

104:40explosive how strong and his cardio was on still on point he's like yeah man

104:44working with this guy um

104:45ryan uh josh reynolds well i said ryan reynolds yeah josh reynolds i was like i

104:50gotta try this guy out

104:52you know because the guy before that just kind of left a bad taste in my mouth

104:55i was kind of doing my

104:56own thing but i needed to get stronger if i was facing tiring again it's hard

105:00when you find strength and

105:01condition coaches are like really good or really bad yeah a hundred percent i

105:06remember this guy we had

105:07this one street against the guy and he just had so many problems man he had me

105:11doing a lot of a lot

105:12of olympic stuff had me doing a lot of uh road work and we had this guy over at

105:16house i think it was

105:17thanksgiving or something like that because the guy's family wasn't in town or

105:21or he had just moved

105:22down here and the guy was just a nutball he went through a whole bottle of my

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105:26dad's crown oh no oh man i'm

105:28talking like just crying oh no we got the whole family there bro oh no and it

105:34was just like all

105:35right uh we need to do something you know i had to we had to drive him home oh

105:40no yeah oh no all the

105:42emotions has been built up i don't know what it was just came out that day oh

105:45no my man josh is awesome

105:49this guy is awesome man he's he's i've seen a lot of um improvement working

105:55with him especially when it

105:56comes to just just keeping my body healthy um um i'm 38 i feel like i'm 25.

106:02that's amazing um my

106:04movement i feel like i'm getting better um especially with my striking and you

106:08know wrestling and jiu-jitsu

106:09even though you don't see it all well you looked fantastic against jeff neil

106:13and jeff neil's super

106:14talented man that i i getting this fight i wanted somebody in the top five for

106:18the longest obviously but

106:20you know it's funny because you know i was in their shoes at one point and johnny

106:24hendricks gave

106:25me that opportunity you know i wasn't even ranked i don't think when i faced

106:29job maybe that was one

106:31of my favorite fights of yours thank you because you you were on fire in that

106:35fight you were on fire and

106:37that was like to me that was like the perfect example of how difficult that

106:41style is to handle and it was a

106:44lead the preparing for him and no disrespect to him but it was obviously he had

106:50good wrestling he had

106:51that one hitter quitter type power but it was you've seen him fight once you've

106:57seen him fight a hundred

106:58times i feel and i'm going to say this no disrespect i feel like that power

107:02went away when usada showed up

107:08i can i can see yes and i there's a lot of people i know gsp had said something

107:13he faced him in it when

107:14you know he was fighting for the title there's two different versions of johnny

107:18hendricks there's

107:19johnny hendricks before there was real testing yeah and then there's later johnny

107:22hendricks and it could

107:23easily be given the benefit of the doubt that he got burnt out yeah i mean johnny

107:26had been wrestling

107:27since he was a kid and he was a monster when he was younger i mean he was a

107:31monster when he's putting

107:32people away he would knock guys out and they would go flying remember when he

107:36knocked marvin campman

107:38yeah yeah one hit just boom and he went flying i watched that over and over on

107:42the oh john john

107:43john fish same thing johnny hendricks at one point in time was one of the

107:48scariest guys in the sport

107:50and he was just a monster just a monster crazy wrestler super skilled and then

107:55ridiculous one punch

107:56knockout power yeah but then but there was no but even then like he fought the

108:01exact same like

108:02rory mcdonald was very difficult to prepare for he that was that was uh that

108:08was my one of my

108:10favorite fights just because just the whole preparation that's what makes it

108:13fun for me

108:14i like to try and break guys down and even there could be trying to adapt to a

108:19guy mid-fight

108:20that's what makes it fun for me you know what i'm saying so um breaking dudes

108:25breaking guys down

108:29you know trying to adapt to the if they're made any changes mid-fight is fun

108:33but he was difficult

108:34because he's good everywhere yeah he's got great striking good wrestling and

108:37for some reason it was

108:38funny because i had a hunch he's going to try for some imanari rolls really

108:43yeah i had a hunch man

108:44so because you know i met ryan hall out in montreal training at tristar and i

108:52know he was a he's a big fan

108:54of that right he does it all the time and i've done some work with him um and

108:58he was actually neutral

108:59for that fight he didn't train with any one of us and then i watched a

109:02grappling match he had

109:03it was like a pretty it was a few months before the fight i think and he was

109:10going for him all the

109:11time he's going for those hill hooks and i was like he's going to try and he's

109:14going to try to get

109:15me out there as quick as possible he's going to try and make a statement

109:17because i know he was that

109:18was his last fight on the contract and i we worked it over and over and over

109:23again in the gym and he

109:24went for like several times three or four times during the fight but he just

109:27knew i knew it was

109:28coming i knew it was coming when ryan hall pulled that off on bj penn i was

109:32like holy dude and he does

109:34that in the gym all the time he you know i see it all the time now but it's he's

109:38gotten so good with

109:39his striking i'm like i'm like yes right he's a fascinating character i love i

109:43really want to talk to

109:44that guy i want to get him in get him he's a wizard have you heard him on lex

109:47friedman's podcast no i

109:48haven't it's excellent really really good very intelligent guy super

109:51intelligent maybe a little

109:53too smart yeah uh some of the things like he'll sit there and explain stuff to

109:57me and he's like right

109:58i'm like huh yeah okay i'll just nod my head like i know one of those guys that's

110:02so smart he blinks a

110:03lot when he's talking like his brain is going like going a thousand miles an

110:08hour and he's like trying

110:09to water it down yeah cool it off he's the perfect example of just he looks

110:13like a nerd yeah but he's

110:15right he will kill he is there's something sinister behind those eyes of ryan's

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110:19i'm serious i've seen

110:20him yeah i've seen him in just uh i'm gonna kill you mode i remember montreal

110:25he was doing a uh he was

110:27doing a seminar while he was there and some young buck he's out there just i

110:31don't know if he's just

110:32trying to embarrass him or what but he was going hard he was trying for that he

110:35was trying to heel hook

110:36ryan hard i think he was coming from another gym maybe and i saw ryan grabbing

110:40by his head

110:41grabbing by his leg and he had his knees in this guy's face and he's just just

110:46driving that knee

110:46in and there was i was just i couldn't help but laugh like this dude he doesn't

110:50look like it he's

110:50looking he's the sweetest guy ever but he has got some sinister stuff behind

110:54his eyes if you're going

110:55to compete in mma in the ufc you must have at least a door that you can open to

111:00let the devil out

111:02it's i don't know why like my dad it ups i think it upsets him that you're so

111:06nice and i'm just like

111:07this all the time you know i walk out with a smile on my face yeah i'll high

111:12five you when you were

111:13teeing off on johnny hendrix there was some evil in your eyes yeah there was

111:17yeah there's people don't

111:18see it but you know i see it yeah i'm smiling at you but it's like a the way

111:22you're landing combinations

111:24i mean you have to be vicious to do that you know there's there's no other way

111:27it's funny because guys are

111:29like man you know you're not as good anymore because you don't knock people out

111:32i'm like man

111:33who are you you're fighting the top of the food chain yeah there's levels to

111:36this thing like who

111:37says that to you you get people say fans all the time you know these guys on

111:41social media you should

111:42have done this you should have done that you can't read that oh i know i do it

111:45but i laugh at it you

111:46know yeah i'll even comment back just like oh thanks man thanks a lot i'll keep

111:50that in mind next

111:52time the jeff neil fight had to be particularly satisfying though because jeff

111:55neil was he's a real

111:57destroyer i mean the way he knocked out mike perry the way i mean he's so slick

112:02yeah so intelligent in

112:04there like his his knowing when to move when not like when when the opening's

112:09there and his reads so

112:11good and that's why that's one of the reasons why i liked i liked that fight

112:15and i love the vicente luque

112:18these guys are hard to draw out of their that they're hard to draw out they're

112:24they're they're

112:24keep they're so disciplined to their positioning it's and for my style that's

112:30my goal yeah i want to

112:31draw you out right you know draw your counter out so i can counter that you

112:35know faints and these guys

112:36were on point all the time and to find uh those openings in that fight you know

112:42it was fun for

112:43was was i had a great time i had a blast out there with it but especially the

112:48vicente fight number one

112:49people didn't think i had a chin anymore because i got knocked up by anthony

112:53that was the fight after

112:55and i remember getting headbutted in the first round i couldn't see it on my

112:58left eye the whole

112:59first and second round really of that fight and it was a headbutt he was coming

113:04this way with the hook

113:05and i was moving away and then we boom we just clashed heads right on the

113:09temple and i couldn't see i

113:12i was like i got hit and i kind of went like this and it looked like he he didn't

113:16hit me with anything

113:17you know but it was uh but a skull but there were some flurries there and i

113:22couldn't see man i was

113:24like backing up i was moving and uh i just had to stay calm and and try and

113:29find my shots but then

113:30it was like i got in a flow state and sometimes when you're when you're out

113:35there i try and find

113:36that flow state every time i step out in the cage or even in sparring i try and

113:40get in the flow state

113:41where i'm not thinking it's more reaction but it's just things feel right my

113:44reactions are on point

113:45um and uh i just got there it was it was probably the middle of the second

113:53round

113:54i just found my range i found i knew exactly when he was going to throw a punch

113:59so uh uh you know the timing was right and i had broken my hands in that fight

114:03both of them

114:04really yeah first round i think really both of them he's got the hardest head i've

114:10hit i've hit guys

114:11with half of what i hit him with and they've gone down i mean you saw tyron

114:15woodley he's one of the

114:16hardest hitters he staggered him and how fast did he recover like that just

114:19blah yeah and then he hit

114:20tyron tyron couldn't recover yeah but the dude tyron was too anxious yeah it's

114:25like tyron losing

114:27all those rounds in a row i mean tyron had lost every single round i mean

114:33imagine being tyron you go

114:34from being in my opinion still erase his last fights he's one of the greatest

114:38welterweight champions of all

114:39time you know beat you beat damian maya beat he's just like knocked out robbie

114:43lawler for the title he

114:45was a killer a fucking killer tyron's a killer and then loses every round usman

114:52smokes him just just

114:53dominates him gilbert fucked him up colby fucked him up and it's like jesus i

115:00know i was rooting for him

115:01for those fights too like every one of them because we you know when you share

115:04something like that and

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115:05with somebody it's it's almost like an intimate uh experience when you have you

115:09fight somebody and

115:10you're going through that experience with each other even though you're

115:13fighting each other

115:13it's like you know i want this guy to win yeah i want this guy but the last one

115:18is like

115:18i don't know that was the first time at his last three or four fights you just

115:23felt like i just felt

115:24like it wasn't there well i felt like he had you know he brought antonio mckee

115:29into his camp who's

115:30really good at resurrecting guys dean thomas is there who knows him inside and

115:34out and i know

115:35he trained real hard for that fight and i felt like if if if it if the bomb

115:41lands he could still

115:42take people out and he did hurt him at one point in time but then he just got

115:47wild yeah he got wild

115:48and luke just stayed poised and calm and found his spot vicente's got a uh a

115:53check left hook like no

115:55other he's got some great hooks and he was hit me i had him hurt and he was

115:59still throwing bombs he's

116:00getting better too yes that's the thing about luke yeah and he's so he's so

116:05durable he's so tough that's

116:06the thing like uh after that fight looking at him like bro you know i hit him

116:11with some shots man

116:12over and over and over again he was like he had continue you know he just bumps

116:16all in his head

116:16i was like how could you take that and still and still have a good conversation

116:21with somebody but

116:22he does yeah i think it literally has something to do with him having a big

116:26head he's got a he's got

116:28a big melon well you think about guys like mark hunt giant head takes an

116:31incredible shot you know

116:33some of the best like the guys that took shots better than anybody have big

116:37heads it makes sense

116:38yeah but vicente is also just the the fact that he stays composed it's his mind

116:44too it's not just

116:45the size of his skull or the ability to take a shot so disciplined yeah his

116:49mind he's getting better

116:50too yes and he's only 30. you know i mean i'm pretty sure vicente luke look up

116:56his i'm 99 sure he's

116:5830 years old i think that's one of the reasons why everybody's like all right i

117:02don't know maybe the

117:03ufc's not betting on your fans 29 29 29 he's not even 30 yet not even 30 that's

117:09crazy i didn't get in

117:09the ufc until i was 28. wow came in late man 10 years ago isn't that nuts that's

117:15crazy i remember

117:16who was it eril hawani called me a vet and i kind of got low-key pissed because

117:20i was thinking he was

117:21calling me old he's like no you've just been in the game for a while because

117:25when i think of a vet i

117:26think somebody's just old you really is that what you think i think it's just

117:29like an old guy well i

117:30call kamaru usman a vet yeah i mean for sure in the gilbert burns fight that

117:34was veteran

117:36when he just weathered that storm of that first round and then by the end of

117:39the first round was

117:39winning yeah you know and then fucked him up in the second and his striking is

117:43getting better man

117:44oh my god much better getting better that fight this weekend is very

117:48interesting though you know

117:49i watched the first fight again the other day yeah and i'm gonna tell you

117:52something man masvidal

117:53was all over him in that first round and that was last minute correct six days

117:58notice he stuffed

117:59what 11 of his takedowns which is unheard of with uzman yeah but more

118:03importantly was not in

118:05condition no was not prepared for a fight like that they offered it to him he

118:09took it he went

118:10there six days notice and i'm i mean that first round he looked very good he

118:15only won that one

118:17round yeah that's one that's what's important in the fight because uzman made

118:20adjustments another

118:21thing that's important to note is that uzman apparently had shattered his nose

118:25two weeks before

118:26that fight wow yeah so his nose was fucked because after the fight you know

118:30they they you know had him

118:32checked out he had a broken nose and he was like my nose was already broken

118:36like his nose was

118:37fucked up two weeks before the fight yeah yeah the thing about uzman man is

118:41that he he

118:42some people say he's boring you know boring fighter i think he's great i think

118:48he's a great wasn't

118:49boring that gilbert burns oh no he wasn't i think he's great man he's he

118:53presses the fight he's got

118:55cardio for days and a guy that looks has that kind of physique i know it

118:58shouldn't have that kind of

118:59cardio and he's got he's just i think he's great i think he's got charisma man

119:03his his striking's

119:04getting better he freaking knocked out colby covington tko'd and broke his jaw

119:08and that he

119:09beat burns with a jab anybody who says he's boring is an idiot you get poked in

119:13the eye just poke yourself

119:15in the eye i mean you got to be an idiot to think that guy's boring that's

119:20crazy look he did what he had

119:21to do to win the masvidal fight but if you take any consideration the fact that

119:25he had a broken nose

119:26going into the fight and you're taking into consideration the fact that masvidal

119:30is you

119:30know you fought him he's game good he's game and he's clever and he's

119:34experienced and he's a real

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119:36vet yeah masvidal's a real vet that's that that's a somebody that who you

119:40cannot break this guy's will

119:42in a fight no i've seen it i've broken guys wills and in there in a fight when

119:47a guy like that

119:48who comes out just as hard in the last round as he does in the first and still

119:52has got power and still is

119:53just just a savage just want just want to rip your head off that's a scary dude

119:57you hit him and just

119:58like he smiles at you yeah and you normally when guys do that they're hurt

120:03right but this guy you

120:05know that's just he's just a g man he's slick and i like him because he's he is

120:09who he is he is not

120:10faking nobody he's not trying to be somebody he's not i love when he dresses

120:13like tony montana

120:16he's got the the whole suit get up when i talked to him here one of my favorite

120:20moments on the

120:21podcast with him here was when uh i asked him i said well i go the question is

120:26uh can ben asker

120:27and get a hold of you he goes he can get a hold of these nuts dude that guy boy

120:33that's why i love

120:34i love that guy and it was funny i was in singapore me and him both were there

120:39for as guest fighters and

120:40that's when that's where we made that fight happen oh we had planned it out

120:44there he was one to work

120:45his way up and i just lost the tire and so the second time so i was like let's

120:50make it happen man

120:51and uh he's i think what's changed from him i wouldn't say so much his style

120:58but his mindset

121:00yeah he talked about that the resurrection yeah well you know what had happened

121:04he went on a reality

121:06show do you know the story i i think so yeah and did was it the preparation or

121:12was it no he talked

121:14about that on this podcast too he went on this reality show and it was a

121:17fucking nightmare and he

121:18was it was like in the jungle in this reality show like he had to like go into

121:22villages try to get food

121:23it was it's crazy it was a south american reality show and apparently he was

121:28there for a long

121:29ass time and he had no contact with the outside world it was a disaster hated

121:33the show but it gave

121:34him a lot of chance to think about his life about where he was and then what

121:37his future is going to

121:38be and realized that maybe some things have been holding him back and one thing

121:43that had been

121:44holding him back was he was trying not to lose versus trying to win and that he

121:49was a little bit

121:49worried about his condition because maybe he didn't train enough maybe didn't

121:53prepare correctly

121:54and then he just decided look i'm gonna go for it yeah so here he is i mean mazvidal's

122:00got to be

122:01your age right yeah probably 38 he's in the range i think he's a little bit it

122:04might be a little bit

122:05younger 36 something like that one of the most popular guys in the usc said he

122:09was going to do it

122:10he's there yeah fight for the title twice but just think about what he did

122:14after that think about his

122:15fight like the fight with nate diaz holy how about the knockout of taron till

122:20yeah the darren till knockout

122:21was crazy and he him getting knocked down early in that fight he got knocked

122:26down comes back with

122:27that oh my goodness yeah and and k-o'd him in the most vicious fashion and and

122:32the way he did it too

122:34where he set it up that switch where he stepped in and throws the left hook

122:37well he grabbed his front

122:38hand i don't know if you saw that grabbed his front hand pulls it down and hits

122:42it with a left

122:42yep yeah that's what oh so so smooth so well he's so clever he's clever like

122:49the knockout of ben

122:50askrin like people think oh he just ran at him and threw a flying knee no no no

122:55no he went to the

122:57side yeah and then he came out angle change man and he went at him also so askrin

123:02has to follow him

123:03which even more activates askrin's natural desire to grab you yeah right i mean

123:08he showed him planning

123:10for it he went to the side where asking askrin shoots yeah i mean went to the

123:14side and then boom the

123:17whole lead up to that it was awesome oh my god him just incredible yeah you

123:23know just looking like a

123:25freaking g and then he steps off and that photo of him in midair landing that

123:32knee to ben's face

123:33jack you see his oh yeah angry look in his face that's one of the classic all-time

123:39mma photos see if

123:40you can find that photo and then him saying was that necessary to hit him super

123:44necessary super

123:45necessary yeah super necessary well not only that he like as ben is out cold

123:49after he punches he's

123:51talking to him and slapping the table like i told you yeah praising and what's

123:57good about him is that

123:58he can cut he can throw something like obviously there it is wow that's that

124:02one in the middle is

124:04the one i'm talking about the one up yeah look at that that is a classic mma

124:09photo up in the middle

124:12the middle of the impact look at his face he's so angry i was there i was there

124:19saying case anyone

124:22after that fight i went up and congratulated was like man say thank you bro i

124:25was like we need to

124:26make this fight happen we need to do it again that was crazy he became a

124:29superstar that night that's

124:31right been at the two two knockouts crazy knockouts back to back yep and now he

124:36has another chance at

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124:37usman with a full camp and i think super interested on paper it's like all

124:41right how do you choose

124:43against somebody who's been so dominant in the welto division against usman but

124:47then you get this guy out

124:48there who can just out of nowhere just do out of you know a thought in his head

124:52hit you with a spin

124:53something or a flying knee or he's so creative and i'm interested intelligent i

125:00would never count usman

125:01out i think usman is one of the most mentally he's one of the strongest guys

125:06that have ever seen compete

125:08his mind you just you never see a weakness from him you know he's just he's so

125:12strong and when he

125:13dominated tyron like that to win the belt this is first shot at the title no

125:17nerves at all just full

125:18dominance just went at him just controlled him smashed him just beat him up

125:22almost tried to take

125:24him out at one point in time and emptied the gas tank and realized like jesus

125:27tyron's still here

125:28we talked about it on the podcast too i'm like how tired you were he's like bro

125:32i was so tired

125:33he didn't show it he didn't show it i could see it a little bit but i was right

125:37next to him you

125:37know i was right there watching it i feel like you know it's like that because

125:41i see chris do that he

125:42tries to break people that's his goal and they don't want to beat you he wants

125:46to break you yeah

125:47that's what it is kane velasquez used to always do that to people break break

125:50you i don't care how

125:52tired i get you're going to get tired first and that's why like when i spar

125:55with him that's what

125:56he tries to do he tries to break you i'm not like the first time we sparred i'm

126:01coming in one set

126:02you know he's looking at me at this 170 pound guy he tells me the story all the

126:06time you didn't have

126:07this guy he's he's such a real funny guy chris and um yeah i think roy mcdonald

126:12was up there

126:13and was low kicking roy just just i mean he would send his sparring partners

126:17home you know packed

126:19their bags and just send them home yeah so i'm in there and he's just like what's

126:22this guy gonna teach

126:23me so he's literally trying to make me quit just rocking he was keeping the

126:28lights at the head but he was

126:30just ripping bodies to the to you know ripping body shots taking me down and

126:36then he was like

126:37you get back up and you're bouncing just like you were in the first round as

126:40you in the second he's

126:41like after that first first sparring session is like i'm gonna bring i know i'm

126:44gonna bring you back

126:45every time so i was just trying not to get killed obviously you know smiling at

126:50him talk about going

126:51into the fire right don't have a background in wrestling and then you start

126:55training with a guy like

126:56weidman i mean there's that there's no middle ground there yeah you're just

126:59going from nothing

127:00to elite to straight extreme it was funny because it was don john daniher that

127:05hooked that up he was

127:06there with gsp when i would go up and train with gsp so he made that happen he

127:11needed somebody to uh

127:12and that's why i love this sport i've trained with so many freaking awesome

127:17dudes uh i was up there

127:19helping rashad evans get ready for lo to machida and of course he had nate marquard

127:24there georgie gsp

127:25cowboy uh brennan shaw when he was training there and i was just a kickboxer

127:30pretty much you know i

127:31wasn't even a mma fighter and then through him you know i was trained with lo

127:37to machida anderson silva

127:39spar with those guys and that was what i was like training with anderson

127:42because when you train with

127:43anderson he was in his prime right yeah he was that was the coolest thing ever

127:46i did a few rounds with

127:48him and he would go from a karate style to a muay thai style to just kind of go

127:52back and forth that

127:53talking about elite and elite and i'm just like at all i was afraid to even

127:58close the gap on the guy

127:59because next thing you know he fights like a karate guy but then he's got you

128:02in the tie clinch and you

128:03can't get out i know i know you know any way of getting out of a tie clinch

128:08didn't work it was just

128:09one of those like just to try and get out of it and hope he doesn't throw a

128:13knee at the same time well

128:14you remember the rich franklin fight oh yeah he he clamped to hold a rich and

128:18rich just had no

128:19couldn't answer no answer nothing yeah his forearms come down to here yeah on

128:24me and what do i do

128:25technique though it's so sharp beautiful so beautiful and he wasn't the fastest

128:30guy but there was no

128:31telegraph it was very he had very little tail it was just there no i'm gonna

128:37you know a lot of guys do

128:39that a lot of mma fighters you know they have you can see you can find their

128:43tells right anderson was

128:45one of those guys he didn't have when he front kicked veto in the face hotel no

128:50it was there well

128:51and he was looking down when he did it too like he was looking like he's gonna

128:54kick him in the stomach

128:55and then it went right up to the chin and that you know i had a conversation

128:59with eddie bravo before

129:00that there's actually a video of it where i had one of those bob dummies those

129:03century dummies and he's

129:05talking about front kicks he's like would you ever throw a front kick to the

129:07face i'm like nah i don't

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129:08think so it's like the timing would have to be perfect and then once anderson

129:12did it everybody

129:13everybody's throwing kicks to the face right up there i just feel like you

129:16could be caught so easy

129:17you know it seems like it it seems like it right but when anderson did it it

129:21was just so picture

129:23perfect and then lioto did it to tour randy jumping from his tooth went flying

129:28out yeah it's like a flying

129:29karate it was like the perfect karate thing ever it was crazy like a yeah a

129:32spar with with lioto which was

129:34cool it was pretty intimidating because i kept hitting him with the sidekick

129:37and he's more traditional

129:39so more round kick roundhouse kick front kicks no not a whole lot of angle

129:42things and i was kept side

129:44kicking and i could tell i was getting frustrated with it so afterwards i

129:48showed him you know just a few

129:49things you know scoop and moving you know get around the sidekick so the next

129:54time we sparred i knew he

129:55knew he knew how to get around the sidekicks i just showed him so i let him i

130:00still want the one sidekicks i

130:02let him work it a little bit you know i was while we were sparring and then i faked

130:05the hook kick

130:06i hit him with a hook kick and he got mad next thing it was a stand-up match

130:10only but he tossed me

130:11and grabbed me just went yeah oh he apologized after but he said i'm sorry man

130:17i was like i didn't mean

130:18to i might have hit him at i don't know if i hit him with my heel or whatever

130:20but i don't throw hook

130:22kicks in sparring anymore either because it's too hard to control it yeah and

130:26guys can lean into it um i had broke a guy's orbital it was mike king he was on

130:31the

130:32um the show the ultimate fight ultimate fighter and uh end up breaking his

130:39orbital with a hook kick

130:41after that that's such a scary injury it is they had to go in behind your eye

130:45and fix it and put a plate

130:47back there yeah but i'm just like what's the the worst injury your knee the

130:51left knee i would say is my knee

130:53um was just taken years off because of it my hands took a year to recover

131:00really yeah vicente luke and

131:03then december the vicente luke was in the jeff neil fight you broke it again no

131:10not the jeff

131:10neil but it was a year later before i fought oh oh okay so it took me wow just

131:16not even still today

131:17i can't get this this finger to go down and it's painful like i wake up in the

131:22morning my my fingers

131:23up here like this right i mean you can see this one you know he's gonna suck in

131:28yeah you can call

131:29flyweight he he can't he can't close that finger no he said he's broken his

131:33hand so many times broken

131:34his fingers he makes a fist like this like there's no there's no closing it

131:38like aim for the eye man

131:40yeah i mean like literally yeah like his his fingers fuck forever and i

131:45conditioned my hands the first

131:47time i ever broke injured my hands so what do you do to condition your hands

131:51maki really just punching

131:53things what about so like grip strength i do grip i do a lot of rice stuff so

131:58huh just rice grip more

131:59form stuff you know what about like grippers like uh not really not really grippers

132:04i do a lot of uh

132:05just uh i'll do um my strength and conditioning coach anytime i'm doing pull-ups

132:08or any pulling

132:10motion i have wide grips that i'm using so it forces me to really have to use

132:14my my grip to

132:15strengthen it up in order to be able to do the things i need to do with

132:18strength and conditioning

132:19so i do that but i don't i haven't just sat there i don't think i have time

132:22really to sit

132:23there you do when you're driving yeah i have those captains of really yeah i

132:26have 120 pound

132:27one i just 120 pounds yeah freak i mean look at your forearm i can see you

132:31through your shirt yeah but

132:33that makes such a big difference i'm gonna have to get me one i believe in them

132:36so much

132:37yeah i believe in hand strength so much you have to have yeah it's so for jujitsu

132:42it's

132:42fucking so cripple but also just for protecting your hand like having muscle

132:46around all the bones it

132:48holds it all in place you know i just think um it's one of those things where

132:52people overlook it but

132:53you could work it while you're doing other stuff yeah like you could drive in

132:56the car and just be

132:57sitting there like this teaching classes so yeah i do my shin condition while i'm

133:01teaching i'll just

133:02being my ship you know captains of crush ever see those grippers yeah they're

133:05the

133:05shit because they get real heavy wow i think you can get see what you can get

133:09it up to i think

133:10get up to 150 pounds or more so i wonder who's i mean what professional arm

133:14wrestlers maybe do the

133:16i mean got to go up into those guys are so weird you ever see that one guy he's

133:19got a one giant forearm

133:21yes and the other arm's like normal tiny it's got to be who's had to been born

133:25that way right no there

133:27it is by numbers my dad used to have like a pair of those they go to 237 oh my

133:32god it goes really

133:33high oh my god they've been around forever right 365 pounds i feel like these

133:39have been around i've seen

133:40my dad use some of these maybe in like back in the freaking early 90s maybe

133:44could be i don't know about

133:45i don't know this company yeah this company i've only i've been using their

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133:48stuff for years though

133:49captains of crush they have they're if you scroll back up you take a look at

133:53them you can see that's

133:55that's the that's the that i use i love them yeah they go by numbers that that

133:58uh that 365 is their

134:01number four it's called seems like you have to be certified i think to like oh

134:05that's hilarious to

134:06order it yeah like it's not that that's to order it but like to show that you've

134:09done it because

134:09it's only a few people in the world i've ever done it scroll up a little bit so

134:14i'm at so it says 100

134:17and 140 i definitely have 140 but i thought i have 122 i might have from a

134:21different company different

134:23companies but i definitely have i have the 140 because i used to bring it to

134:26the comedy store and

134:27and the bouncers would try to squeeze it so like haha i feel i see like i for

134:34some reason when i get on

134:35stuff i go down these rabbit holes and one of these arm wrestling rabbit holes

134:39i was just everything i

134:40could get to just watch these guys do and how they train to do this stuff and

134:44it's it's all technique

134:46it's a lot of a lot of technique it's not actually pulling the hand down it's

134:51or pushing the hand

134:52out it's pulling the dumbest shit on that jake paul fight was the slap oh my

134:57gosh that about rick

134:59flair it was awesome yeah that's awesome no that's not dumb oh okay wait no he

135:03was like the judge of

135:05the slap fight oh that was great he was the judge that's the rick flair is

135:07always great yeah that's

135:09not the problem the problem is a guy sitting there letting a guy slap him in

135:12the face that is how many

135:14times you get knocked out right did you see the jake was it jake paul yeah that

135:18was he this guy i guess

135:19he had this guy for a hire he he hired i guess people hire him to slap him in

135:25the face oh yeah

135:26yeah there's a guy on instagram no it was logan paul that did it logan paul

135:30cash or some shit like

135:31that but i know yeah he got he like that guy up yeah he knocked him out yeah

135:34talk about a guy who

135:35needs to go mma wait a minute logan knocked the guy out yeah logan yeah see

135:40this guy lets people slap

135:42him in the face for money he was logan was gonna enter a uh a slap fighting

135:46competition right so he

135:48this guy put it out there i'm in my craigslist i don't know slapped me for

135:52however much money

135:53and logan slaps him and knocked this dude out so that might have been all set

135:59up for that might have

136:00been fake maybe for the video maybe for that video i don't know maybe but well

136:03maybe set up for a video

136:04or maybe they just reenacted it with the video like they made a conversation

136:07like this is what we're

136:08gonna do well i'm so this is the video okay or this is a good this is oh i've

136:13seen this i saw this

136:14yeah i saw this so the guy said it was like set up or something but of course

136:18it's set up but you

136:19still got KO'd yeah no that was 100 legit let's watch the video because there's

136:24no way it was fake

136:26that guy clearly got KO'd you can hear oh look at this logan paul 100 fake shut

136:31up look at that face

136:34watch this there's not a chance that was fake there's not a chance in hell he

136:38slaps this dude so

136:39hard look it's a big boy yeah watch this listen to this oh oh yo catch him

136:46catch him catch that's

136:47not fake not at all that's not fake 100 there's no when you here's here's a

136:51little tip folks when guys

136:54pretend they catch themselves when they fall yeah when you fall like that you

136:58fucking face plant you're

136:59out no one no it's just your instincts would save you yeah you would do this

137:05like oh my god he got

137:06he would fall to your knees first you know what i'm saying but even what you

137:09wouldn't face plant yeah

137:11when you your instincts are never going to be especially if you're not a stunt

137:15guy you're not

137:16a guy who does this all the time the way he went out that guy was out not only

137:19that the impact of that

137:20was crazy logan's a big kid did you see him wrestle uh yeah paulo costa yeah he's

137:26good he's a good

137:28wrestler why box you'd be you'd be more entertaining watching doing mma than

137:32anything boxing i think it's

137:34money you know there's a lot of money in those those crazy man but he only boxed

137:39ksi the other guy who's

137:40a youtube star like they both were youtube stars and they boxed each other

137:44maybe ksi doesn't have a

137:45wrestling background yeah but jake apparently is the more talented boxer that's

137:49what i hear

137:49he always talks about fighting his brother or something i don't know on

137:53interviews yeah yeah i mean

137:55maybe he knows he can his brother up but jake has some power that's that's real

137:59power i don't give a

138:00shit what anybody says the way he stepped forward and cracked askrin like that

138:04oh yeah that's real

138:05legit power i felt so bad for obviously i mean he did it for the money come on

138:10come on ben you i don't i

138:11think he knew he was not going to go out there and win this fight well jake

138:14knew it too you know look

138:16the guy's coming off of hip surgery he had a hip replacement ben askrin did he

138:19looked definitely

138:21looked like he wasn't in the best of shape yeah you know and it was never a

138:25striker it was like it was

138:27never his thing his thing was just like get close to you and grab you i'm

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138:30pretty sure he even trained

138:32from what i hear he didn't train striking before a fight he just wrestled that's

138:35that's what i heard

138:37that's so crazy yeah he didn't do any kind of striking training he just wrestled

138:40he just looked so much

138:41different physically than he did when he was in the olympics it's just so much

138:45different than when

138:46he was in the early stages of his mma career when he was fresh and young and

138:49healthy he just looks

138:50like physically spent yeah you know he was done wrestling does that too it

138:54takes years off your

138:55life i feel yeah years they're all the punishment these guys go through i mean

138:59everyday grind yeah it's

139:00just it's such a crazy sport i feel like i have to take a day off or day day or

139:05two off after wrestling

139:06training i don't even we don't even do live i don't even do live wrestling i

139:09don't even live

139:10wrestling because you take more situational stuff i mean i may start in on a

139:14leg try to finish it

139:15you know we'll do drills where we're you know we're working the you know

139:19entering on the devil or

139:20seeing all things like that but it's live stuff it's just you're too prone to

139:23injury man yeah that's

139:24what i think too i think i wonder about guys who get really in love with

139:29wrestling and then they

139:30start developing all these injuries and then they have to kind of work around

139:34them and even in sparring

139:35like i you know we have an amateur and pro team we all spar together i'll spar

139:39kids who are 12 years

139:41old you know all the way up to elite pro fighters and i i spar everybody the

139:46same there's there's no egos

139:48there's no you know and that's where a lot of these others you know gyms kind

139:53of get in trouble with

139:54guys like that you know you get trying to crush each other are you do you real

139:58are you real careful

139:59like when you're especially when you're in camp with guys you train with you

140:02will you train with

140:03anybody or do you only train with guys that are like known to be calm and keep

140:07their together yeah

140:09yeah i mean in the earlier days we've had we made some mistakes of just letting

140:12anybody come in

140:14and um you wind up in a fight yeah and i've had to do that you know lay people

140:20out yeah we've got guys

140:22come in from other gyms and they come in to spar with the general public of our

140:25school and try and

140:26take everybody out yeah and because you have those enforcers that you gotta

140:30humble them up a little bit

140:32but you know dad's like steven i remember those days it's crazy and i hate

140:37doing it i'm like dojo has

140:39those right those situations oh yeah my dad was in a i i missed i wish i was

140:45around for those days it was

140:46dojo wars yeah there was a time where my dad was a brown belt and i guess his

140:52instructor was talking

140:53crap about some taekwondo school in the area so uh the instructor and one of

140:58their his best students

141:00came over to my dad's school uh where he trained at and his instructor had just

141:04come off a knee surgery

141:06my dad had no idea why they were there so the instructor threw him under the

141:09bus he's like i

141:09can't fight you but he will like pointed at my dad you know my dad said he

141:13looked over and saw him

141:14pointing at me but i was like you know hey so and you can tell these taekwondo's

141:19dudes they were just

141:20like pissed you know just and this was knee surgery in the 70s yeah so they use

141:26like hammers and

141:27shit yeah so this guy might so my dad didn't come off a knee surgery his

141:30instructor right so he couldn't

141:32fight so he's like but that guy will fight you so my dad thought it was just a

141:35friendly sparring match

141:36my dad asked the guy if he needed any gear he's like oh we don't use gear he

141:39could just tell in the

141:40guy's face like all right this guy's gonna try and you know crush me and um so

141:45my dad they're out there

141:47sparring he said he knew it got real when the guy grabbed me by my headgear and

141:51head butted me like

141:52real hard just head boom and i was like all right next thing you know dad's

141:56still trying to take a lie and the

141:58guy sidekicks him and they had a stucco wall right sidekick him and just kept

142:02psychic into the wall

142:03until that that stucco wall kind of just kind of broke a little broke caved in

142:08dad's like all right

142:09he's like i gotta end this quick and my dad had this you know crappy dip foam

142:13probably you know gear

142:15back they had in the 70s and i don't know what they had and the guy came in

142:19with a sidekick or a front

142:20kick my dad parried and hit him with a ridge hand and we call him pop a ridge

142:24hand you know for one of

142:25these reasons and knocked cut the guy all the way across his face knocked him

142:28out cold

142:29and that what's what makes that that story funny was you have a small airport

142:34in greenville south

142:35carolina we're going through the airport and one of the guys there older fella

142:39kind of a big dude you

142:40know jacked he's like oh yeah well you're ray thompson's kid right yes sir you

142:44know he's like

142:45tell him tell him blah blah blah says hello i'm like all right so i'm back at

142:48the karate school and told my

142:49dad that what's his you know this guy said hello he's like oh man you know and

142:53dad told me that story

142:55you know uh you know years ago and he's like that was him they're like they're

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142:59like best friends now

143:00he comes over to the school all the time and when the guy's face gets red and

143:03he's got like this

143:05little line oh wow yeah from the scar yeah but the guy is awesome the guy is

143:10such a nice guy

143:11ridge hand is a crazy technique that you never see in mma no my dad's want me

143:16to throw that ridge

143:17hand really yeah you know who used to talk about the ridge hand all the time

143:20charlie murphy

143:21there's a hilarious moment that there's actually a photograph of charlie murphy

143:26and i did a show

143:26together and maurice smith and ivan salivary are there and uh we're all having

143:32dinner and charlie

143:33murphy who was really good at karate charlie murphy gets out he's talking about

143:36the chicago ridge hand

143:38he's got this technique that you know charlie was really good at karate he made

143:42it chicago ridge

143:43he was really good at throwing a ridge hand and he was saying like how come you

143:47guys don't throw

143:47ridge hands in mma and you know he's talking about ivan salivary and maurice smith

143:52we're in seattle

143:53and they're both like what the there it is right there what what yeah why don't

143:57y'all throw this

143:58guys so that's ivan salivary to the right and maurice smith is right next to

144:02him in the white shirt

144:03and he's talking about the chicago ridge hand look at charlie the thing is it's

144:08like look at his eyes

144:09i know charlie was the best the ridge hand man oh man it is it is underestimated

144:16it really is

144:17oh yeah i got seen it's a legit technique and you don't really i mean my dad

144:21would hit dudes in the

144:21head with it okay he he'd condition his hand if you don't condition your hands

144:25i recommend not doing it

144:26but you know the neck area you know yeah you knock dudes out i mean coming from

144:31up underneath the guy's

144:32trying to shoot you still we'll think about how many guys have been ko'd on the

144:35ground by hammer

144:36fists yeah right and then think like you can't really it's hard to to do a chop

144:41chop but like

144:42this not that hard right it's like throwing a hook and sometimes guys get ko'd

144:46with a ridge hand

144:47accidentally right because a guy will throw a hook with a straight arm and he'll

144:50catch him with the

144:51side of the hand with a closed fist and ko that happens all the time i don't

144:55see why people don't do

144:56i mean open hand slaps like using the palm right oh i i feel like when i hit a

145:02mitt i hit harder with

145:04an open hand than i do a hook well you know bryce mitchell you know thug nasty

145:08bryce mitchell

145:09is a wicked jujitsu guy awesome fighter he actually sent me a message recently

145:14because i was talking about

145:15how good trevor whitmore's uh trevor whitman's um gloves are you know trevor

145:19whitman has that company

145:21uh onyx they make incredible gloves his gloves are the and he made a better mma

145:26glove

145:27his mma gloves are fantastic and the ufc

145:29was doing something to try to work out a deal with trevor to buy his gloves but

145:35apparently it never came

145:36to fruition yeah one of the things that i said what i love about the glove is

145:39that it's curved

145:40constantly so when your hand goes in it it's curved it makes you have to kind

145:44of keep yeah so you can't

145:46right in the ufc gloves they kind of make your hand come open but uh bryce was

145:50saying you know what

145:52the problem with that is when you break your hand he goes i want to be able to

145:55still slap a guy and he

145:57goes if it's constantly curved like that and then slapping is out of the

146:01question like if you can't

146:02open it but i guess you could still you can open it i've had i've had trevor's

146:07gloves on you can

146:08open them but they naturally want to close your hand so when you relax your

146:12hand it all next goes

146:12back to that yeah when you relax your hand your hands like this instead of the

146:15ufc gloves which

146:16you're kind of trying to extend your hand you're just still going to get poked

146:18in the eye with that

146:19i think that's true yeah it's uh i was just super impressed i'm super impressed

146:24with bryce

146:25mitchell too man that kid is something he's something his his jiu-jitsu is off

146:29the chart yeah we got

146:31it was a chase hooper coming in it back in again and that kid's a little wizard

146:35too nasty on the

146:36ground he reminds me of uh ryan he reminds me about ryan hall just looked like

146:40a little kid

146:41and he's 21 21 in the ufc he got kind of bummed out because i was talking about

146:46his striking in his

146:47last fight but yeah yeah he's like man i was like i like those guys and they're

146:51shitting on me because

146:52me and dc were talking about striking yeah but it's purely because i don't want

146:56him to get hurt yeah because

146:57when i see him i see the level of jiu-jitsu that he has is so high it's so good

147:02his ground game is so

147:03nasty so good at controlling guys but i worry about him at a young age taking

147:10on someone who's nasty yeah

147:13who's got really good striking it's just like the gap between is you know some

147:17guys they're like jiu-jitsu's

147:19here and then their striking's here it's like a little bit better but his the

147:23gap is so big his jiu-jitsu is

147:25so much better than striking i agree and then and he's 145 i don't know how

147:29long he's going to be

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147:30at 145 because he's still growing he's so long and he's tall he's like 6'1 yeah

147:34and i know he's got

147:35longer reach than i was like i'm sitting in sparring i was like why how are

147:38people touching you they

147:39should never get in they should never be getting in on you he's just learning

147:42yeah he is he's still

147:43young and so green when it comes to the striking as well imagine if he's in

147:47there against like a real

147:49elite striker who finds that chin you know and that's the thing he needs to

147:53move up

147:54at a certain rate i don't think he needs to be thrown out there with you got to

147:59be careful with

147:59the ufc because they don't give a they don't like hey chase we got a fight for

148:02you yeah hey you know

148:05next thing you know they'll they'll try you yeah with me i mean my first fight

148:09you know still learning

148:10the wrestling and they throw me with matt brown but but i wouldn't be your 57

148:15and 0 as a kickboxer

148:17you were one of the elite strikers in the sport yeah it's a different thing

148:21yeah and he's yeah he's

148:22been doing jujitsu but strictly jujitsu i don't know how how long he's been

148:25doing the striking thing but

148:26if he can use that especially the style that we have ryan's done very well with

148:31it yeah you know i

148:33didn't expect him to start throwing hook kicks out there crazy yeah dude let's

148:37go man he throws so many

148:38kicks and yeah and the thing is he's not worried at all about you taking him

148:41down not at all so he'll

148:43throw head kicks all day long i mean i know i'm physically stronger than this

148:47guy ryan i know i'm

148:48more athletic than him his jiu-jitsu is so good so good just it's it's like

148:54levels of jujitsu are so

148:56interesting because you see a guy who's a black belt who's really good and then

148:59you see him roll with an

149:00elite black belt you're like wow yeah what the man that's crazy it's like and

149:06with him it's like you

149:07know he's doing the things you're not supposed to do like when you first

149:09started just you're not

149:10supposed to do this you're not supposed to turn your back he's doing all of

149:13that yeah and he's doing

149:15everything you're not supposed to do and still finishing you well one of the

149:18beautiful things

149:18about the sport is we haven't even begun to see what's possible the elite of

149:23the elite of today will

149:25not be as good as the elite of the elite of tomorrow they're getting better and

149:29you there's not a sport

149:30other than mma where you can go to 1993 and then you go to 2021 and see that it's

149:35unrecognizable yeah

149:37it's crazy how much better guys are today the day where you got those guys that

149:41are like has the

149:41izzy adesanya striking you got the chris ryman wrestling and you have the

149:46ryan hall jiu-jitsu all in one all in one yeah that's crazy crazy thing is

149:53i feel like in order to get to that level you would have to start maybe maybe

149:57have to start getting

149:58into the maybe fighting for the ufc later on yeah when i did because you when

150:03you're 21 you're still

150:04learning yeah right and i think that's one of the reasons why i've survived so

150:08long in this game

150:09because i had that time to develop yeah you had so much timing and experience

150:14and so much so much just

150:16combat sports experience where you were used to competing yeah that's big and

150:20also look at daniel

150:21cormier how good he did in mma but it was also how much time did he have in

150:26wrestling yeah that's

150:27combat sport experience it might not be striking but it's still combat sport

150:31experience it's learning

150:32how to compete so by the time he got into mma he was already dominating people

150:36i mean when he dominated

150:38josh barnett as a heavyweight i loved him josh barnett and slams him and throws

150:43him around and

150:43strike force won the heavyweight ground pre i loved him in that man i still

150:47love dc i love that guy i

150:48love him to death that and that's something that we we try and do with our

150:52amateur fighters and if

150:53they want to fight mma we want you to fight a few kickboxing fights first so

150:56you get used to the crowd

150:57you get used to the good the nerves you get used you know you got some gems

151:01that just throw them out

151:02there you know it's not smart it's not you you know it's interesting the

151:06difference between the way

151:07boxing handles contenders versus the way mma does because look a guy like john

151:12jones who fought uh

151:14shogun for the title at 22 years old it turned out john is one of the greatest

151:18athletes the sports

151:19ever seen just turns out but in boxing they would have built him up slow before

151:25a title shot yeah

151:27he would have you know unless he's a mike tyson who's just smoking everybody in

151:30front of him and then

151:31finally 18. yeah he gets to trevor burbick and they're like yeah he's ready he's

151:3420. you know but

151:35he was a really unusual case right but with boxing generally you're given a guy

151:41who tests you a little

151:43bit and then there's a guy who tests you a little more and there's a guy who

151:46tests you a little more

151:47and like let's see how he does with the guy who can move good let's see how it

151:51does the guy who's an

151:52inside fighter and the trainers and the managers will try to figure out your

151:57career and then ideally

151:59get you to the title as an undefeated prospect yeah that's what they want in mma

152:04you get a late call

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152:05you know sean shelby calls you up hey what are you doing tomorrow yeah we need

152:12you here man let's go

152:13make 170 tomorrow i think that's like in the when you're first starting in the

152:17ufc that's how it was

152:18like especially like for me i feel like the fights they give you you got you

152:22need to take them you

152:23have to take them and then once you get to the point to where like the the jake

152:27ellenberger and

152:28the hendrix after that i was able to kind of make some kind of they they gave

152:31me two or three fighters

152:33all right what do you think about these guys and i can kind of choose right the

152:35jake ellenberger fight

152:37i always wanted to ask you about this because jake ellenberger leading up to

152:40that fight was talking

152:41shit about spinning techniques is that why you hit him with a wheel kick you

152:45know what i want to say yes

152:48i really want to say yes but it was one of those things where i was so you know

152:51when i'm out there

152:53i don't think of anything you know it's just reaction but i do hear my coaches

152:58and i hear my

152:59opponent's coaches so it made it a little bit easier not having an audience but

153:05my last fight i i tune

153:07into both yeah that had to be weird right yeah that was weird that but i it was

153:12kind of easy at the same

153:13time like i i could they were they were saying things hey him i'm up i could

153:17hear i could hear

153:19what you're saying right there you know what i'm saying you know i know what

153:21you're going to do i'm

153:22all right i'm ready right you know it was so weird but uh i mean he didn't

153:26fight him tuned in but my

153:27dad said spin i knew exactly wow he said spin you can hear it do you think your

153:32dad said it because your

153:33dad wanted to get at him for talking about spinning 100 because he was talking

153:37about spinning techniques

153:39and karate period yeah he was like crying haha he just laughed but man you

153:43couldn't hit anybody more

153:44karate than that whoo you know and more clean and i hit him with it twice yeah

153:49the first one was the

153:50neck i knew he was going to protect that so i went up a little higher and got

153:54him right in the temple

153:55yeah that was wild yeah i remember was it i remember watching him looking at chris

154:00weidman jumps up he

154:01had cj's young son in his hand just flailing around like yeah let's go and that

154:06was the weekend where

154:07uh conor mcgregor fought chad mendez i believe oh wow that was that saturday

154:12that was like

154:13international fight week maybe oh wow he fought chad mendez on saturday and i

154:18fought on sunday

154:19no kidding yeah yeah that was one of those weird things they they had a few of

154:23those nights where

154:24like they had frights fights on friday night fights on saturday night and how

154:27crazy is this

154:28uzman was on the undercard was he who was he fighting do you remember it was

154:32the contender

154:33oh no contenders the um finals yeah fighter fighter yeah i think vicente luque

154:38was on that right

154:39did you you know i obviously i don't remember but obviously you want to fight

154:44for the title

154:45and you know when you saw masvidal getting another shot was it did that piss

154:50you off um

154:51no it just made sense i mean the hype the guy the hype i mean the guys got

154:57around him is ridiculous

154:58and uh he took the fight on short notice so i guess the ufc might he owed him a

155:03favor he hasn't fought

155:04since he hasn't it was like back to back yeah i know a lot of fans were wanting

155:08me to fight him

155:09because i'm the only guy he hasn't fought in the top five um but um yeah man it's

155:15i'm patient what do

155:17you think you have to do to to get that to secure that title fight again

155:21because a lot of people kind

155:22of counted you out after you you had those two fights with woodley but then you

155:26worked your way

155:27back and then obviously the pettis fight but then you worked your way back into

155:30contendership and i

155:31think that jeff neil fight opened up a lot of people's eyes because a lot of

155:34people me included were

155:36really high on that and i still am and he's got a big fight coming up too he

155:40does uh neil magne that's

155:41right that's a really good fight that's a really good fight yeah good man he's

155:45another guy that people

155:46like to look past for some strange reason it's weird because he it's like and i

155:50can't really say

155:51anything because i've you know you know got beat by darren till got knocked out

155:54by a guy who i've been

155:55i was beating but uh it's like a swing or miss for jeff for uh neil magne like

156:01he does very well

156:02against this dude he's like a different fighter but then i don't know if it's

156:05just the

156:06smaller grapplers because rda submitted them right grapplers and michael chiesa

156:11maya yeah

156:12but he's a grappler yeah so yeah michael chiesa how the did that guy ever make

156:19155 pounds i don't

156:20know whenever i give that guy a hug it's like hugging a door yeah like jesus

156:24bro he's so nice i love that

156:26guy he's a great commentator too when he does the breakdowns on the desk with

156:31alan joban those guys

156:32are awesome i love that the ufc does that they give fighters an opportunity to

156:36do stuff outside

156:37of just compete even while they're active you know i've done a few things i

156:40think was for the tyrant

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156:42fight was one of them when he when he knocked out uh lawler i was behind the

156:46desk i was with uh

156:48cormier and i think dominant cruise and some of those guys but

156:52um i liked it i had a lot of fun doing it but those guys those guys prepare man

156:55they do a lot

156:56of they do their studying yeah there's a lot of studying yeah and for me like i

156:59would love hey

157:00where are you gonna be you need to do that more often i was like it's just too

157:02much work it's a lot

157:03i was winging it for real i was going out there just all right here i am well

157:06when we have a card

157:07like this weekend i think there's 15 fights on the card this weekend i gotta

157:11watch a lot of fights man

157:13yeah there's a lot of good people some of these people i've never even heard of

157:16i've never seen

157:17them fight well a lot of them are debuts yeah so you got to go and find

157:20something about them online

157:22find find footage online yeah this will be the second time chris has fought uriah

157:26hall oh that's

157:28right he fought him before the ufc i think he knocked that knocked him out the

157:32same yeah hit him with a

157:33left hook yeah yeah that's right it was crazy we were in brazil doing a tv show

157:38labor laboratorio

157:39da lucha it was like a fight science thing and we were it was me versus a crossfit

157:45guy chris weidman

157:46versus a brazilian olympic wrestler and he had to wrestle he was so pissed

157:50because he's out of shape

157:51you know and he had to actually wrestle these guys and um but everybody he was

157:57like you think joseph

157:59beaver walked in people love chris love chris weidman for beating anderson for

158:04beating anderson

158:05wow they they they they were so pissed that uh anderson silva was doing the his

158:11whole shenanigans out

158:13there yeah they did not like him for that wow it was such an unfortunate way to

158:17lose when anderson had

158:19this dominant reign and to be like clowning chris and the way chris set it up

158:23was so interesting too

158:25because anderson would go left right left right so chris throws a punch and

158:30then he throws a back

158:31fist yeah it was like a yeah so he already was going to the right so he had to

158:37go to the left

158:38and he walks right into that left hook boom went nuts when that was really fun

158:42i mean it's not funny

158:44but it's really interesting because a lot of people missed that he threw the

158:47punch and he threw a back

158:48fist yeah so anderson was moving away from the back fist and chris lured him

158:52right into the left hook

158:54and he and for some reason chris doesn't he's not the fat like when you look at

158:58that punch it doesn't

158:59look really fast it's just kind of like moles through his chin his skull and

159:03just just takes him out

159:05yeah i don't think he saw it coming it was perfect no you know and what was

159:09interesting is anderson was

159:10fucking up chris's legs yeah he really was and if he just stayed disciplined

159:14and fucked up his legs

159:15i have a theory about that too though i think for some fighters when they're

159:19that dominant for that

159:20long i think the pressure is just overwhelming and that's one of the things

159:24that matt hughes said when

159:25he lost to bj penn when bj tapped him out he's like you know honestly i'm

159:29relieved yeah it was like it's

159:31just like all these guys chasing after me all the time trying to get to the

159:35title and i was i was first of

159:36all i was like wow kudos to you in this moment of defeat for being so honest to

159:42say i mean and one

159:43of the greatest fighters of all time to be that guy and also be like look i'm

159:47gonna be honest with you

159:49i'm happy i'm relieved yeah i mean that that pressure can be i don't see how

159:52connor does it i don't see

159:54any of those guys do at that level just the constant you know everybody just

159:58like this watching you

160:00everywhere you go and yeah i mean i everybody training for you yeah i felt that

160:05way you know coming up at the

160:06kickboxing just being undefeated for so long and when i got beat my back by

160:10matt brown it was a relief

160:11it was like now i can just go out there and fight i don't have to worry about

160:14not losing being

160:15undefeated constantly holding up that zero yeah that's interesting yeah yeah

160:21the do you ever work

160:22with a mental coach or anything i did for a little bit but i felt like these

160:30guys were trying to put into

160:32my head that i was mentally weak really that's how i felt that's just me i don't

160:37know i don't know why

160:38i feel like just the things that they were saying hey you know what bothers you

160:42it's like nothing's

160:43bothering me you know stop saying something's bothering me when nothing's

160:46bothering me i don't

160:47want you to focus on this i'm like you know i just like you know i've never

160:51been i don't think i

160:54at least i don't think like i never have been a negative thinker i've always

160:59thought positively i

161:00always thought like i'm gonna go out there and crush this dude you know i'm

161:03just gonna work my

161:04behind off and that's what gives me confidence going to a fight preparation

161:08preparation man knowing

161:09that i did everything i could to prepare for it and if there's any doubts then

161:14if there's any of those

161:15doubts out there like you know i should have did this i should have all right i

161:17wasn't feeling good

161:18this i see guys at the top do this all the time and that's why working through

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161:21with champions i guess

161:23coming up which is a bit has been a privilege with gsp and chris and these guys

161:27they don't if they

161:29they may have maybe feel a little bit of down whatever no they don't care what's

161:33bothering them

161:33at home may feel a little bit of bumps and bruises but they're still in the gym

161:37there's always

161:37something you can do yeah always so it's just that mindset man i kind of i try

161:42to be as

161:43it's contagious right yeah oh yeah 100 so is loser mentality it is it is you

161:49know you see a lot of

161:50those guys who it was like a compilation somebody put out there after i lost

161:54the pettis and they

161:55showed a bunch of people up there crying and then me i'm just like yeah what's

161:58up man but it's you know

162:00it's you can't go back and change it yeah it is what it is right just go back

162:05just go back to the

162:06drawing board and get better bless yourself baby it's max hollower shirt shout

162:10out shout out to mac but

162:11that's what he always says it was it is what it is it is what it is life's a

162:15garden you gotta dig it

162:17nobody's more relaxed and happy after a loss than that guy he just lets it go

162:21even when he gets robbed

162:22he's like it is what it is and that's kind of how i felt with uh was it the

162:26till fight i i felt like

162:28i won that fight but uh you know like i said at the end it is what it is you go

162:32back to the drawing you

162:33were talking in that fight about those sidekicks to the knee yes you don't like

162:37those fights those kicks

162:40i don't i guess when you're out there fighting anything can happen you could

162:43you have the

162:43potential to really damage somebody but i feel like that's just like a like

162:48somebody getting a

162:49heel hook and really cranking it and sparring right just just uh a dick move

162:55you know yeah i'm like

162:57okay yeah we're out here fighting each other but i'm seriously trying to injure

163:00you i'm seriously

163:01trying to put you out of the game i feel like if i went out there and started

163:06sidekick with my knees

163:07it would just be i don't know i couldn't do it really yeah do you remember the

163:13first fight with

163:13robert whitaker and yoel romero yes yoel came out through sidekicks to the knee

163:18and really

163:19fucked up robert's knees the second fight robert came out and fucked up yoel's

163:24knees did it the same

163:26way yeah came out and immediately opened up with those sidekicks to the knees

163:29john jones notorious for

163:30that who is he he's so good at that yeah he's so good at that dudes are out for

163:34a year see that's the

163:35thing like at the end of the fight i want you still standing i want to go have

163:39a beer and be cool i wish

163:41there was something they could do about meniscus oh man meniscus and cartilage

163:45because it seems like

163:47when that shit blows out arthritis so hard to fix yeah and then it it hinders

163:53your movements and sparring

163:55and training so it changes the way you prepare and it changes the way you think

163:59about moving and kicking

164:01and so it makes you think too how crazy the human body is because there's not a

164:05anything out there that could replace that meniscus other than resurfacing you

164:11know yeah other than right

164:13but there's no material like no rubber out there that could replace it you know

164:17so when it's gone

164:18it's gone it's gone it's gone i mean what they do now is just they they just

164:21completely remove the

164:22cartilage and put this crazy synthetic material really they drill it into your

164:27kneecap and that becomes

164:29your new knee surface what yeah and then you don't feel is it the guy from the

164:32highland games we've

164:33talked about him before do you remember the gentleman's name he's a big fucking

164:37house of a man who won the

164:39highlands games and got his uh knee replaced who told me about it kelly starlet

164:45told me about it

164:47i like your shirt by the way thank you you're welcome matt vincent that's it

164:53matt vincent see if

164:54you can find uh his instagram there's a video of him moving post-surgery doing

165:00like these you know

165:01highland games it's all the crazy shit where they they throw cannonballs and

165:05stuff

165:06don't they don't they like toss yeah like big polls yeah yeah yeah all that

165:10kind of scottish games

165:11yeah the highland games they call it oh but this guy matt vincent that's his

165:15name matt vincent's a

165:17gorilla he's just a tank of a man so it's just it was just a huge change yeah

165:22he blew his knee out

165:23and blew his acl out and kept training um what is that what his knee used to

165:28look like yeah and that's

165:30what it looks like now two years ago yeah so so that's how that's how his left

165:36knee is or it might

165:37be his right knee it's right knee you could tell there's no uh gap between the

165:41knees so it's bone

165:43on bone so but watch what he could do now watch this um that's not the best

165:49video of it what yeah

165:53uh there's another there's a great video of him doing some crazy so you see him

165:59running on a

166:00treadmill he can do everything now basically essentially he's lost some weight

166:04too

166:04this is him what year is this what is this and this was his right knee he said

166:10go go a little

166:11further than that there's some videos of him moving really well no that's not

166:15it that's him at the

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166:16highland games this stupid skirt on sorry bro yeah he he did a lot of that uh

166:22knees over toes stuff oh

166:25so that's so yeah that's what you're talking about okay but that's just to

166:28strengthen all the around

166:29the knee but if you go a little further down i'll tell you when i see it is him

166:33i feel like everybody's

166:36dabbled in mma everybody's doing a little something yeah well it's because you

166:41know you just that's the

166:44ultimate yeah i've talked to other athletes man and you know just talking to

166:48them they're huge fans

166:50it's like something i wish they could go to this no no no oh that's me talking

166:53about hey scroll a

166:55little down yeah i've talked about them several times that right there that one

166:58in the middle you

166:59can see moving really well i mean this is that's a big boy man and this is with

167:06a fake knee

167:09i mean all of this movement with a fake knee that's crazy right that's weird

167:14all the spinning and stuff

167:15yeah yeah what does it say there let's say one of my goals the next year is get

167:21a through throw

167:21it's been a long time ago start throwing but i'm able to move well enough pain-free

167:26teach people that might be an older that might be an old video i don't know if

167:30that's it anyway

167:32there's some videos of him moving around on his instagram page to show how uh

167:37so he his acl apparently

167:39was completely and uh he kept training and kept competing even with his knee

167:45and just destroyed the

167:45inside of it and then ultimately had to get it resurfaced if you go to the

167:49ready state that's kelly

167:50starts page and um he's the author of the supple leopard really smart strength

167:55and conditioning coach

167:57and guy who's a real expert in physiology blew his knee out skiing yeah and

168:02then uh did his best to

168:04try to get it fixed and rehab it and all that jazz but eventually wound up

168:08getting there's kelly

168:09and wound up getting it um resurfaced and uh now he can do everything it's just

168:16it's not what it used to

168:17be gotcha that's but there's some videos of him doing stuff in there if you

168:21scroll a little down you

168:23could see some of the movements and stuff that he can do now and he's only four

168:27months out of getting

168:29his uh his resurfaced and so this is definitely something i need to be well

168:34come from kamaru usman

168:35was saying that eventually he's gonna have to do this yeah his knees are pretty

168:39fucked you would never

168:40tell while he's fighting nope so this is him uh doing rehab this is him uh

168:45rehabilitating his left knee

168:47which was the one that was those stabilizers yeah right so stabilizers that

168:51actually keep that

168:52knee in so this is a blown out fake knee and you can go all the way down do

168:55pistol squats on it and

168:56all this stuff yeah yeah and again the inside of it was complete toast yeah

169:03yeah we live in that going

169:05down and up that's what gets it for me for me oh yeah standing up mm-hmm yeah i

169:09feel like it's grinding oh

169:11yeah well all the meniscus and everything gets smushed in there you could go

169:14back to his uh his page so he

169:17can um oh he can go go go back up up please he's there's a video of him skiing

169:24where he talks about um

169:26how well he can move now i think that's it is that it i'm taking a guess i don't

169:32know it looked like

169:32it you see snowy mountains yeah that's an ad for a thing but there's whatever

169:37it's it's so hard to go

169:39yeah everybody posts too much but uh i found it oh you found it okay so this is

169:44him yeah okay there

169:45after surgery this is him lifting look he's dead lifting a ton of weight and

169:50then how old is this guy

169:52him uh he's in his 40s i believe if i had a guess sorry if i'm wrong still a

169:57young guy but there's a

169:59video of him uh skiing and i think it's in the beginning yeah see so he's

170:04mountain biking yeah and

170:05right right here just let it play out so he's doing this and then he's skiing

170:09so this is him with a

170:10fucked up fake knee wow so the when they and he's doing jumps so you can they

170:15resurface the knee and

170:16it's just whatever that material is that you know fucking composite stuff it fuses

170:23itself to the top

170:24of the knee so it requires just like aljamain's neck your your bones have to

170:29sort of take to it and

170:30fuse it in and then there's no meniscus anymore so is that like a swing or miss

170:33if your body if

170:34your body takes to it or not it's kind of like a cadaver it's a good question

170:37yeah i don't think so

170:39i think i think they have it down now and they're getting better at it all the

170:43time because it used

170:43to be once you had those things you were stiff and you were never going to walk

170:47normal again and

170:47you just you had a fake knee now the way they have it you could actually

170:52compete in athletics

170:53yeah it's getting interesting i definitely something i need to be looking into

170:57for sure because i got

170:58how long do you think you're going to fight i will do it as long as my body

171:02will let me

171:02i mean i haven't taken a ton of damage you know coming up in the in the even in

171:08kickboxing or you

171:09know i've been knocked out once been knocked down a few times though but that

171:12was tyron tyron throw

171:16throws missiles he had a perfectly timed to that freaking left hand and what

171:20was crazy hit me with

171:21like two in a row thank goodness i was blessed with a hard skull because i got

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171:25back up and then

171:26i was in that guillotine and uh learned to breathe out my butthole that's an

171:34ancient chinese secret so you

171:36just have a thought in your head just as long as i can do it yeah i mean until

171:40or if my pop says i'm

171:41done yeah as as a fighter as i want to be i'm going to be able to compete i do

171:45it for the fun of it

171:47money's just a bonus i've been fighting for since i was 15 years old and uh i

171:51just love to compete

171:53what's next for you right now uh burns that's right when is that july 10th

171:57interesting and they just

172:00announced that right yeah i uh yeah i've got 12 weeks that's a big fight yeah

172:05that's a big fight

172:06yeah you know and gilbert this would be his first fight coming off of uh usman

172:11yeah and you know he's

172:12going to be on point he's going to want to prove a point so i know i'm going to

172:15be getting the best burns

172:16and that's i wouldn't have it any other way i'm sure you wouldn't he's another

172:20guy that i'm like

172:20how the did you ever make 155 pounds yeah he's he's not that tall but he's

172:25thick boy his neck is as

172:27wide as my shoulders he's got that mike tyson neck that 25 inch round neck man

172:31i feel like in that fight

172:32with usman he just like had an adrenaline dump and i think there was like there

172:37was moments where he had

172:38so much success i think maybe just got a little excited early yeah earlier on

172:42it looked like he had

172:43rocked him he did rock right he did so he did yeah okay he put his hands on

172:46them i remember that he

172:47dropped him and then that's what's cool that's what that experience and being

172:51the champ like he stayed

172:53composed usman's mind is fort knox i love it you ain't getting in there i love

172:58it i mean he may lose

173:00someday he's lost before he got he lost his pro debut really yeah he got strangled

173:05what yeah who did he

173:08fight do you remember uh i do not know um go to uh kamar usman's uh uh wikipedia

173:15what if he wrestled

173:16himself into a submission sometimes wrestlers do that he's got caught in the

173:19rear naked some guy put

173:20him in the rear naked and he really didn't understand jiu-jitsu back then and

173:25uh got tapped oh second

173:27fight i'm sorry okay jose caseros submission we're gonna get choking cfa 11

173:32yeah jose yeah that's about his uh

173:35uh jose right that's yeah yeah brazilian sounding name is probably that's the

173:39only loss in his entire

173:40career yeah and then you scroll all the way up look at that it's all just

173:43dominance oh you know

173:45pretty fucking interesting yeah so masvidal and then gilbert but the i think

173:54the colby covington

173:55fight was probably the most satisfying for him yeah i think so too i think it

173:58was most satisfying for a

173:59lot of people not for colby no i mean i i mean i hear colby's a really nice guy

174:06he is a nice guy

174:07he was great i'm hanging out with him at the comedy store i've never never met

174:10him before

174:11do you know the story no the story's interesting this is what happened they had

174:17him scheduled to be cut

174:19and he was about to fight damien maya and they told him listen your style sucks

174:24we don't like you

174:25know i don't know who said it to him i don't know what the words were but

174:28essentially what he said to

174:29me is they they told me you're boring and we're going to cut you even if you

174:33win and he's like

174:34fuck and so because he was a wrestler and he was you know had kind of a safety

174:38first style and he was

174:39really good at grinding and incredible gas tank and never did any of this

174:45before right his whole fight

174:46before that was just like i'm going to fight my best i'm going to train hard i'm

174:49going to do my best

174:49and then he is in brazil with damien maya and he starts talking mad and he

174:56starts

174:56fuck you you filthy animals i just beat your best guy and everybody's like what

175:01they're going crazy and he talks mad he beats damien maya and then the next

175:08thing you

175:08know the ufc's like okay what's next wow and then you know he's like okay i got

175:14a character now

175:15and then he starts wearing the mega hat yeah and he brings girls around for all

175:20these photos and

175:21you know he's out there meanwhile the guy drinks nothing but water trains like

175:26a fucking animal

175:27you know i mean he's he doesn't party at all i mean that guy is super dedicated

175:33he's good friends

175:34with my friend cam haynes who's a insane ultra marathon runner slash bow hunter

175:40like one of the most

175:41disciplined guys i've ever met he trains with colby like colby trains with this

175:45fucking animal and does

175:48these runs with them and mountain runs he says the kid is in incredible shape

175:52he's like he's super

175:52dedicated and he eats clean 24 7 365 fully dedicated no partying i mean he all

176:00he cares about is fighting

176:02and winning that's all he cares about i've never heard i've never heard this

176:06story yeah no idea that

176:08story his character was because of desperation he created that character when

176:13you talk to him in real

176:14life he's not like that at all yeah he's a wrestling heel like he really is

176:18like rick flair or like

176:20some wrestling guy but meanwhile everybody goes crazy with that situation he

176:24almost got in a fight with

176:25somebody outside of one of the hotels it was verdum i guess because he called

176:30him right yes yeah okay

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176:33for doom okay we're doing well verdum's uh proud brazilian yeah yeah brazil's

176:39filled with very proud

176:40people 100 they love brazil you know and they don't like you disrespecting brazil

176:46and look he

176:47fucked up i was wondering i was like he didn't hit him in the head with a boomerang

176:50or yeah he threw

176:50a boomerang at him and then and then who was it uh somebody wore a boomerang

176:55shirt i think it was

176:56uzman oh that's hilarious he wore a boomerang shirt i guess in one of the press

176:59conferences listen

177:00fabrizio verdum's an enormous man he's huge he's also the first guy to ever

177:04beat fedor so just

177:05i remember that stay the fuck away from him yeah caught him in a triangle yeah

177:10what is fedor doing

177:11nowadays still fighting unfortunately what yeah in russia no and bellator

177:17yeah ryan bader katoed him in the first round ryan bader caught him with a left

177:21hook in the first

177:23round ryan went like faked for a takedown and came up with a left hook and clipped

177:26him and knocked

177:27him out you never saw that uh see pull up that because ryan bader has reinvented

177:31himself as a

177:32heavyweight and he's the heavyweight champion of bellator bader is the heavyweight

177:37champ of the ryan

177:38bader is a beast as a heavyweight i don't watch fights he was that's incredible

177:42oh watch this

177:44oh what that faked a take down like we like he was going down to the knee and

177:52clipped him

177:53perfectly oh he looks massive he just looks like oh he's huge yeah bellator's

177:57drug test is a

177:58questionnaire agreed look at this dude's neck man no he's a tank it's the thing

178:06man well it's also he

178:07doesn't have to cut any weight yeah he doesn't it's just like it's just his so

178:10much walk around weight

178:12you know but he lost a light heavyweight title he had the light heavyweight

178:15title of bellator as well

178:16and he was a two division champ he fought uh uh nemkov okay nemkov's a beast

178:21nemkov just beat phil

178:22davis too i feel like if you have a name like that like nemkov's legit nemkov's

178:28very legit there's a

178:29few guys over in bellator that i believe can hang with anybody in the world douglas

178:32lima is the biggest

178:33oh douglas lima douglas lima in my opinion and then musasi at 185 is in my

178:38opinion one of the best

178:39fighters on planet earth but douglas lima is scary one of the scariest leg kickers

178:44i've ever seen man that

178:45one i saw a meme when he knocked out michael page venom oh my god he had muirnier

178:49come in

178:50yes and he grabs him by his hands and he just he just ko's him oh he's the

178:54first guy to have any

178:55success against venom you know venom is so slick and then looked like he

178:59staggered him early and then

179:01he comes back and just like kicks the crap out of that well he kicked him low

179:05and dropped him like

179:06he wobbled like he went down and then he caught him with that fucking punch

179:09coming up yeah brilliant

179:11that was awesome yeah he there's a few of those guys over there pitbull

179:14yeah patricky pitbull i mean i think he's uh as good as anybody on the fucking

179:19planet what do you

179:19think about mighty mouse losing for the first time patricio pitbull which one

179:23is her it's patricio

179:24patricky's the brother right yeah patricio's the the really good one who's two

179:28division champion

179:29crazy mighty mouse losing for the first time well over there yeah over there

179:34yeah and one now how are

179:35those by ko first time by ko because some of those dudes are yes yeah man that

179:41guy who knocked out eddie

179:43alvarez yeah uh timothy natsukian nat nasty ukians how do you say his name

179:48nasty you can it's like nasty

179:50is in his name it's called nasty nasty you can that's okay he's a fucking

179:55animal he's scary yeah they got

179:57some great strike they have georgio petrosian over there you know john wayne

180:00parr is fighting tonight

180:02what john wayne parr is fighting nikki holskin on a wednesday on tnt this is

180:09tomorrow so if you're

180:10listening to this sorry fuckers air this tomorrow but uh yeah john wayne parr

180:16is fighting nikki holskin

180:17tonight yeah on tnt one championship is now on tnt shout out to my man michael

180:22schiavello big mike mike

180:25i love that dude yeah he's great you know the big kaboosh i love i love what he

180:30says yeah man he

180:31commentated one of my brother's fights when he fought for uh legacy i think it

180:36was that he calls

180:37him the beanpole he called my brother the beanpole the beanpole yeah yeah he

180:42fought my brother evan

180:43fought mma before i did really i fought at 185 yeah how many brothers and

180:47sisters you got to fight

180:48uh it was me well both all the boys did and how many boys there's three now all

180:54of them and i'm i'm

180:55the oldest but i'm the runt really i'm the run of the group yeah wow and the

180:59one my brother evan

181:00fought at 185 he was probably 225 now six three six four the baby tony he's

181:07about six two about 285

181:11played college football one point he was over 300 pounds jesus but he can he

181:15has more talent

181:16than i will ever have really and i would say he just didn't have a competitive

181:20bone in his body

181:21wow and and and what does he do teaches at the school wow yeah teens program

181:27how old is he he's

181:29just turned 30. maybe he can fire back up again i've been trying to i'm trying

181:33i'm trying to man

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181:34would he be light heavyweight or a heavyweight no he he would not be heavyweight

181:38i mean he was a

181:39heavyweight yeah 205 for sure but uh those guys are heavyweight just on another

181:43level sweet tea what

181:44do you think come on sweet tea what do you think sweet tea but you know the guy

181:49comes off the couch

181:51and just waxes dudes you know i feel like i'm a spar today and just no pressure

181:55maybe maybe you know i

181:56don't know but he just he but there's a savagery about him too like you hit him

181:59hard he's coming after

182:00you there's some guys that just they're not interested in competition i know

182:05that's why i feel like the best

182:06fighters in the world you'll probably never see them some of them i mean we all

182:10know guys in the gym

182:11that for whatever reason dominate people in the gym and then you never see them

182:16compete they just

182:17they're not interested in whatever it is the maybe they wanted to do with the

182:20pressure or the nerves and

182:22i know they have other interests they just happen to be super talented because

182:25sometimes just because

182:26someone's really talented at something doesn't mean they want to do it for a

182:28living right i've i've seen

182:30guys like that before in the gym that were like you you watch them roll and you're

182:34like what the

182:35man like how good is this guy and you're like dude he's as good as anybody he

182:38just doesn't want to

182:39compete donahar told me there's a bunch of guys like that that would train at

182:43henzo's i feel like

182:43if you you you have to be that way to train at henzo's man you just be trashed

182:48on you gotta be a savage

182:50over there that's a perfect example of like a real shark tank where there's so

182:55many sharks there that you

182:56just the level like because you really rise to the level of your training

183:00partners and especially

183:01in jujitsu in those environments yeah if you you hear a guy like a guy trains

183:04at marcelo garcia

183:06his gym you're like oh or a guy trains at john jock machado's gym you're like

183:09oh like there's there's

183:11gyms where you hear about people and you go oh jesus like you have to be good

183:14and henzo in my opinion

183:15is like like if you hear like some guy got a a black belt from hickson you go

183:20whoa like there's yeah you

183:22know there's levels yeah you know that's john jock man i haven't seen him in a

183:26while that's my man i

183:28was in what 2005 i was up at the abu dhabi um he was going against some heavyweight

183:35there was a super

183:36fight and the guy just laid on the whole time rico yes rico rodriguez yeah yeah

183:39i remember that

183:40no no no dean lister dean lister that's right that's right that's right i think

183:43gsp competed there too

183:45he did he got submitted uh yes he did he did i'm trying to remember who

183:50submitted him

183:51the reason why i said marcelo garcia because marcelo garcia or rico rodriguez

183:56marcelo garcia

183:57submitted rico rodriguez he got him in a heel hook and marcello was there and

184:02he was just crushing

184:04people but then he got who was it he was fighting the open division and he had

184:07somebody's back and he

184:08jumps up and just gets rico rodriguez that was him and then he tapped him

184:12tapped him with the heel hook

184:14after that everybody booed that dude yeah because marcelo was on his back and

184:18reach up rico's like

184:19260. that was like a d move right there yeah just jumps up lands and it was uh

184:24jacaray and um roger

184:28gracie i'm trying to remember who tapped gsp but the guy was good is this it no

184:35rio santos oh rio santos

184:38yes yes 2005. yeah i was there yeah he got him in an arm bar yeah i was there

184:45it's a flying one flying

184:46arm bar that was in la right whoop yep caught him quick and the good thing

184:52about gsp man he put himself

184:55he would bring people in he would go train with the best guys watching him roll

184:59with uh you know hodger

185:01gracie roger gracie even uh even who was it i was up there i was watching roger

185:06gracie and uh um

185:08oh what freaking what's his name

185:11i was just talking about him brain fart what does it look like um i was helping

185:20to get ready for leo

185:21to machida rashad evans lord okay those guys were going at it yeah at it savage

185:28man they were just

185:29picking up slamming i mean it was like the craziest scrambles ever and i don't

185:32know i think roger was

185:34going kind of like this and rashad with that wrestle mentality was 100. that

185:40was fun that was fun to

185:41watch i was like i'm not stepping out there not stepping out there there's been

185:45a few gyms i've

185:46went i went to att one time before the matt brown fight and i was getting i go

185:51out there and spar and i

185:52saw a hedgehog lombard out there just wailing on dudes it's like like i think

185:57he'd like he was

185:59sparring some guy small and just dropped him i'm like i'm just gonna pack my

186:02stuff up i'm just gonna

186:03leave i don't see how he's just kind of famous for that yeah for being really

186:06really hard in the gym i

186:07mean he's he's comes from that old school cuban mentality there's no soft sparring

186:12there's none of

186:13that there's no light sparring here you know and that gym att i mean you want

186:17to talk about an incredible

186:19gym oh yeah i mean dan lambert shout out to that guy that guy poured millions

186:23of dollars into that gym

186:25before he ever saw a penny back really yeah and they built that whole new gym

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186:29that they're out now

186:30with the dormitories and an incredible space he built that built a whole

186:33building bought land put up the

186:35building just because he loves the sport good friend i mean he's a he made his

186:38money outside of that he's a

186:39businessman made his money completely outside of mma and just just loves it

186:43here you go guys loves it

186:45loves it any one of those guys well listen brother i can't wait to see your

186:50fight with gilbert and uh

186:52i'm a big fan thank you i'm glad we finally did this but we've been talking for

186:56three hours and 20

186:57minutes are you kidding me i feel like we just sat down no how long are we

187:00doing it 320 what yeah

187:03three hours and 20 minutes i think i like there's more to talk about what are

187:06we doing why are we

187:07stopping what else you want to talk about you good hey no i'm on your i'm on

187:12your time baby thanks

187:14appreciate you man thank you very much thank you bye everybody see you

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