JRE MMA Show #108 with Stephen Thompson
嘉宾：Stephen Thompson
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Joe Rogan podcast check it out the Joe Rogan experience during my day Joe Rogan
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night all day wonder boy in the house ladies and gentlemen what's up brother
what's going on man
glad you're coming in thank you man appreciate you having me glad to be on with
you long time
coming should have had you in a long time ago but I know you know schedules
time things we had
planned on it like last summer or something like that it was one of those
things but then obviously
the COVID the COVID the vid yeah but dude you're still rocking at the top of
the food chain it's
amazing I'm saying I'm people people will say I'm too old I'm 38 well look at
your victory over
Vicente Luque and then look what Luque just did to Tyron Woodley you're still
at the top of the
fucking food chain because that was real recently that you beat him yeah it was
I mean it was what
a year was two years ago mm-hmm two years ago I beat Vicente but uh yeah man
people saying I'm I'm
I'm too old and I guess once you get knocked out one time you just they throw
you to the side
that's people that don't understand the human chin it's just like it's just it's
just a fact you can
hit with the perfect shot there's what even hard it wasn't even hard you know I've
been hit harder
Tyron hit me harder Jake Ellenberger hit me harder this was just right on the
button it's crazy isn't it
to be honest with you it was like it was like a relief being knocked out I mean
I've got close
to 80 something fights with kickboxing MMA together and I've never been knocked
out and it was always
one of those that you know Lee going into a fight this is going to be it this
is this is going to be
the time I get knocked out this is always going through my head and now that it
happened it's not
that bad it's really not that bad I would rather get knocked out than get just
the crap beat out of
me for five five minute rounds have you ever been knocked out in training no so
that was the only time
ever in your whole career you've been knocked out and it was a wild punch too
the fact that he caught
you with a Superman punch I know man the memes after that were hilarious I don't
know if you saw it but
it was funny you gotta think though you've dished it out so many times I know
you know through your
kickboxing career and MMA I mean there's so many times you flatline people and
then yeah I get I get
knocked out by a guy in a lighter weight class my dad my family is pretty rough
they don't they they bring it up as
as much as they can I was in the hospital that night and my dad's doing it like
a face book live thing
because you know we had a bunch of pants bunch of you know karate karate
families and karate kids
there we pretty much sold out that arena Greenville South Carolina where I mean
everybody was there to watch me fight and then I get crushed I get knocked out
and
then you know everybody's want to know how I am so I did it like it was
probably 2 a.m did a
Facebook live and my dad's just eating me alive eat me alive yeah I got knocked
out he's like yeah
by a smaller guy too and he's just let me have it but that's how he is it is
what it is yep you
know you you took it really well in terms of like the way you reacted in social
media and the way you
reacted and you were asked about it you know showed poise thank you I mean what
can you do I mean you
can't just sit there and cry about it no you know yeah it bothered me for a
while that you know
why did I not see it coming I normally see this stuff coming do you think you
were relaxed when
he hit you is that what it was I think it was definitely a distance thing
because when I when
I had psychic I watched it over and over and over again I don't remember any of
the second round I
don't remember any of it all I remember is getting up off the stool looking
across the the cage and I
seen his bloody nose he's banged up and I'm like all right time be time to pick
it up I'm gonna finish
him this round this was going through my head that's all I remember and I got
knocked out five seconds
left in the second round wow I don't remember anything I don't remember sitting
up talking to
him in the cage the people say I was like high-fiving people as I was walking
by all I remember is like
these sparkles kind of fade away and I see Chris Weidman's face right there he's
laughing at me he's
like smiling at me and he said if you ask me that again I want to slap you I
guess I asked him the
same question I kept saying you know what happened how'd I get knocked out I
got knocked out just kept
saying that's what people do when they get knocked out they they ask the same
question what happened over and
over again it was such a weird thing and then you know not remembering any of
that and then just being
in the back it's like I got teleported there I was fighting and then I was
there and I remember him
helping me trying to answer the doctor's questions yeah like you know what day
it is I'm like Chris like
Steven come on you know what day it is he's like trying to help me how answer
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these questions but uh that's
all I remember man is is that but uh it's it was a relief like I have nothing
what else I mean that's
like the worst thing that can happen why why do you feel like it's a relief
well you know it was such a
worry you know I've knocked out people I've seen how they are you know getting
up off the canvas and
the the you know what is done to people psychologically getting knocked out and
that's always been kind of
like how would I handle that you know how would I handle that how would how
would you see people get
knocked out and they they try and come back maybe as soon as possible which is
not a good thing they
should terrible thing yeah they should give their time you know time for their
body to heal up but um
you know I've seen people do that it was always a worry for me how would I
handle that yeah I always
get concerned when I see someone who gets knocked out they want to get right
back in there and like
oh you're asking for trouble because you might feel fine but you probably are a
little loose
yeah it's funny you said that because they UFC wanted me a fight wanted me to
fight two months
later in my hometown wow and after the day after was going to get some
breakfast with some with some
friends um still in Knoxville with the fam and I get a call from um Dana I
think was Hunter hey man you
still want to fight in Greenville South Carolina of course the athlete and
myself said yes like I
wanted to jump back in there and yeah but then you know reality kicked in and
you know I look over at
my pops and he's like that he I think he already know who it was he said that
he just shook his head
who was it that you were supposed to um I don't think we had anybody the UFC
should have made it
Anthony Pettis mm-hmm it was only like two months later I should have been
Anthony Pettis in my hometown
but um and I didn't find out that the UFC was in Greenville I found that out
watching some fights
like uh so you saying the UFC should have made a rematch with Anthony Pettis or
you should have
had that should have been when you fought Pettis yes was in your hometown yes
we would have sold that
out yeah my first MMA fight was in the arena the UFC was at um the Bancicor
Wellness Arena and it was
standing room only what organization was that for it was a it was a uh
promotion called fight party
and a lot of UFC fighters came up OSP was on my first card it was crazy OSP was
fighting um I think
who else was on that card uh both uh Lima brothers were on that card and it was
my very first MMA fight
in my hometown and the main event I think it was OSP was main event but his
fighter ended up not making
weight or something that didn't happen so they pushed me to to the main event
main event what year was
this this was 2010 wow 2010 and I was like what I had no wrestling no I mean
blue belt
barely blue belt probably in jiu-jitsu and I'm like all right and I'm fighting
a wrestler
and I'm knocking him out in the second round and I almost threw up all in the
ring that would have
been twice that would have happened to me twice because I had no idea how to
cut weight I hadn't been
170 since 11th grade in high school what were you weighing when you were kickboxing
uh I would
actually fight up and wait I would weigh in with keys in my pocket weights in
my pocket I fought at
185 fought at 195 I fought for the world combat league I would fight up in that
but nobody's
grabbing a hold of you there so yeah you really didn't have to worry about the
weight and I was
a lot faster than the guys that were you know heavier than me so um that was a
that was a crazy
experience that world combat league was an interesting situation it was wild
right yeah I I went to one
of them uh which one I'm trying to remember I think it was in Atlantic City I'm
trying to remember
where it was at I might have been on that card you might have been on that card
I think I fought a guy
named Carlos Tierney Carlos Tierney I'm not I don't remember if you were on
that card not I definitely
watched you fight on in those events but I watched you a lot when Feras Ahabi
was talking well about
you I was like let me check this dude out and then I saw some of your kickboxing
fights and I saw you in
the world combat league I was like oh shit you you uh when you got into the UFC
I got really excited
because you represented a style that I had been talking about for a while
because everybody was
like you know for striking it was Muay Thai for submissions it was jujitsu and
then there was
wrestling like that's like kind of everybody had this idea of like what was
effective and what wasn't
and I was like man I'm telling you if you if you find a guy who really
understands karate
who has that sideways stance and a really good front leg he's gonna fuck a lot
of people up and
they're not gonna know what to do with it and a lot of people like dismissed me
they're like what
are you talking about they thought it was just that I was reminiscing about my
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traditional martial
arts days and I was like no I'm telling you man dudes with a good front leg
like that's a totally
different animal to get in on when a guy has that sideways stance and then when
you are fighting
like with your hands down and no one knew what to do and you lean back like a
snake when guys are
punching you go forward I'm like that's a totally different style and it's a
fucking really sneaky
one it's hard to handle it is definitely a a very difficult style to prepare
for as well yeah well
try finding I know and you got like you Raymond Daniels there's like a couple
guys out there
they can emulate that style and it I think it was because I remember in the
early US especially
when Lyoto Machida was coming in he's a traditional to a Kyokushin is it Kyokushin
style I think so
Shotokan I think it was Shotokan I think it was Shotokan okay I know I know GSP
was Shotokan as well
that was kind of his background let's find out what is a Lyoto Machida's
original karate style
I want to say it's Shotokan his dad was straight Japanese right he married his
mom who's Brazilian
yes so um and people think didn't think karate worked karate was just a frou-frou
style McDojo style
um you know not geared toward real applications you know yeah and in the early
UFC's it was looked
down upon the karate style I guess because I don't know if karate kid you know
I think that era the 80s
you know a lot of people saw that karate can make them a lot of money and so
they were opening up
those McDojo schools left and right same with Taekwondo same with Kung Fu there's
a lot of
traditional martial arts that did have some real life applications and they got
severely watered down
yeah because people didn't want to lose a lot of students so they didn't want
to make it really
difficult for you to advance and to move up and even Shotokan Shotokan yeah I
didn't even notice that
13 this right here that's ridiculous wow I love this I need one of you there's
only one I know I need I
need a Jamie you'll just find some dude who pretends to be Jamie he'll be
annoying but this uh this
style of this sideways that Michael Venom page is another really interesting
example he's super
unusual because he was an elite well Raymond Daniels was as well he's an elite
point fighter yeah and
people were always like making fun of point fighting I'm like man you never
spar one of those guys I
fought in a few of those tournaments and fast oh my god their whole thing was
just jumping in and
blitzing yeah and even if it wasn't the most powerful or effective techniques
like you had to
adjust to this new way of fighting yeah because everybody else like if you're a
Muay Thai guy you know
you're used to fighting in this rhythm and these guys are moving around and
jumping and leaping
forward get you flinching you know yeah and that's what you know and that's I
think that was the
reason why and and of course though the point fighting you got schools that
kind of gravitated forgot
forget all the the self-defense stuff let's just focus on the competition
tournaments yeah and then
people think a real real fight is going to be like that point turn point
fighting is in real life
application it's fairly dumb yeah but there's real benefits to learning how to
win at those things I
agree to learning how to blitz to learning how to like leap forward with
strikes you shouldn't do it
all the time but if you have that ability the thing is like when you see guys
who have that ability and
then they learn the other stuff like you did they learn the wrestling they
learn submissions then they
become very dangerous because you have this whole range where they thrive in
where most people are
completely lost yeah this range on the outside where you're standing there like
that doing a lot of
this throwing a lot of those front leg techniques you see these guys like shit
I gotta get closer to
them you know like that's that's crazy that they can't compete at a very
specific range and for 170
you're pretty tall and long too so you have this height and reach advantage as
well yeah the the the
street fighting thing I I agree with you because you YouTube street fights now
and it's like 99.9 of
them 9% of them they end up on the ground 99 but the ones where a guy can
deliver a wheel kick in a
street fight oh shit you seen that I've seen a few of them oh it's ridiculous
crazy oh I know and
everybody is just you just going yeah if someone pulls off like a real like
movie martial arts
technique in a street and probably killed the guy because he hit his head on
the pavement oh right
yeah that's scary I told myself like if I ever in a street situation you know
hopefully I'm never in
one but I'm like hey man let's go to the grass yeah let's move over here to the
grassy area just in
case yeah you know but yeah the point fighting thing the nicest street fighter
ever the NMF I gotta
hold that gotta hold that title you know so funny not only the nicest MMA
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fighter the nicest street
fighter let me tell you I was in some scuffles you know in in high school and I
remember beating
the crap out of this kid and his mom rolls up you know to pick him up after
school this is right
after school and I he was my sister was just she's a badass man my older sister
she fought kickboxing
she kicked my behind for years I mean I've seen her knock dudes out my sister
really she married
Carlos Machado right and um she fought kickboxing at you know amateur never
never went pro
but at a very high level and she just would just mess people up and she had
gotten a scuffle in school
and just beat the crap out of some dude so she was kind of on her last leg and
nobody messed with her
I mean it you know what she's like when you meet her she's very honest person
but she's not
the nicest way she doesn't right she's just very straightforward you know if
you look ugly she's
like you look ugly she's opposite of you exactly she's more like my dad and um
but she was in some
heated argument with this guy and this guy comes up to do something I kind of
pushed my sister out of
the way and I hit this dude I'm I'm walking over from a middle school you know
the high school middle
school right next to each other so I would have to walk over and then get
picked up from our from my
parents so I'm like seventh grade maybe eighth grade this kid's probably in 10th
grade and so I
like sidekick this dude he backs I hit him right in the chest I'm a lot smaller
than him and I know
Lindsay if she gets in trouble she's getting expelled and um my dad's a pretty
rough dude you don't want
to get expelled living under his household you know and then uh so I end up piecing
him up just just
hit him with a three-piece combination his lips bleeding he's on the ground and
to be honest I don't
even know what I did I don't even know how I did it it was just like such a
blur I've never been in a
that kind of situation before maybe once or twice that was it and um it was
just like just like in a
fight you know in a fight um I'm not thinking about what I'm doing it's just
reaction so it's a lot of
times I have to go back and watch the fight to remember exactly what I did
during the fight and his mom
rolls up and I'm sitting here helping this dude up I pat him on the back and I
was like good job man
you know that's what I said to him good job and he said thanks and like walked
off and he's like
wiping his lip off you know he's bleeding his mom's looking at me she drives
off but still
I'm like why did I why I help him up good job dude he said good job oh my god
good job
taking punches yeah to the face and you know this is getting around school of
course this middle
school just beat you up middle schooler so yeah man I can't I don't know when
did you start karate
three years old wow mandatory mandatory mandatory wow my there was five of us I've
got two brothers
and two sisters and we started the martial arts as three my dad started early
70s because of
it's weird Elvis Presley no shit he was huge Elvis fan wow that's crazy because
those videos we've made
fun of those videos of Elvis all pilled up doing karate oh my god there are
some of the wildest videos
because he's so clearly high out of his mind like he's barely completely disassociated
yeah he's like
hey man hey man grab your neck come here now you ever seen him walk hard no you
haven't seen walk
hard no it's like a look at him look at him that's when they they put the the
fist to his neck and he
pushes forward the guys fall down you never seen this oh I've never seen this
this is actual video
you need to watch these videos please pull up I I on multiple occasions on this
podcast have
watched and made fun of Elvis on pills doing karate see it's a 50 minute video
okay I can watch it a lot
no no no we could just keep it on for the entire 50 minutes and talk this is on
YouTube yeah just
so there's like a lot of stuff Elvis Presley gladiators project 1974 hey it's
not hurting
him because he's high meanwhile he's got a like a regular shirt on underneath
look look at this collared
shirt under his gi you remember the the stars and stripe gi yes he admitted
that really Elvis Presley
admitted that oh the stars and stripe actual like gi look at these guys so he
was he was an ed
parker student yes yeah ed parker that's but this is this is so funny man with
the fucking he's got a
regular shoe right now he's talking about pulling out your neck look at how
high he is what in the
look at this you can see the passion he loved training with
the guy's on his neck he's like I can't believe Elvis is rubbing my neck yeah I
know look at the dude
the dude I see look at him he's like blinking his eye oh he's out of his
fucking mind wow he's
probably on all I mean I don't know what kind of pills he's on back I've never
seen this before in
my life oh my god I've seen it a hundred times wow and he was one of those look
at that is that is
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that super no that's not that's super full wallace yeah that's bill wallace
yeah in the stars and
stripe gi yeah bill wallace is an interesting character too because he shows
what's possible with just one
leg no that's not chuck but he shows it's possible because he had a fucked up
knee his right knee was
fucked up and he couldn't really throw kicks with it so everything he did was
with his left leg look
how he lifted his leg up like oh my god like it was nothing easy I can't do
that well he he had
incredible dexterity with that left leg because he only kicked with that leg
yeah so his hook kicks
were off the chart like a lot of people would dismiss hook kicks even in taekwondo
they would dismiss
hook kicks and I was a big bill wallace fan I would watch him fight I was like
I'm telling you man
that fucking guy throws I think it's one of those things where you just have to
learn how to do it
and then you get the dexterity and then eventually it becomes just like
throwing a round kick or a
side kick or anything else that's what's so special about developing that front
leg yeah and you
don't need a lot of power to knock somebody out with her to do what you need to
do with to do some
damage right yeah so that's why I love doing the front leg stuff yeah but that
is that is crazy
front leg round kicks seem like they don't have anything to them nothing but
the first time I ever
knocked a guy out it was a front leg roundhouse kick and I bet you it wasn't
even as hard as you could
it was it was weird it felt like I had barely hit him yeah and just shut off it's
just it's fast and
one of the things that I love that you do it's and we were taught to do that
too is you you sneak
things around the shoulders over the shoulders yeah so you don't see it coming
until it's right here oh
shit bang and then it's too late was it the first fight yes the very the very
first fight and a lot of
times I I will fight with my hands down and so I like to lure people in with my
face you know I can
hit you from there but really they don't realize that you know everybody has a
security their own
security force field I would say around them and when you step if I just plod
in to that little
security boundary you have you get defensive you start bringing your hands up
you're more aware but if you
stay to the outside of that you know they start to get more relaxed those hands
start to drop just a
little bit even if it's just a little bit that's because you can't be tense all
the time right
and that's when I got you yeah you know because I can close that gap faster
than you can right
right I can close that gap and people aren't used to that people think it was
funny because once that
karate style started to get out there started becoming more popular especially
in the full contact sports
because you're seeing michael page venom and you start seeing guys with those
tendencies like you
when you didn't see him at his last fight because he's doing more boxing um but
conor mcgregor when
he fought jose aldo just in those first few minutes of that fight you he was
moving like a karate guy
sideways stance in and outside kick yep drew out his his left hand and countered
him it was beautiful but
the it takes it's nothing that you can do and learn right off the bat you know
what i'm saying like
i can't if i if i if i was doing mma and then i go all right i want to try and
you know do that
distance management get that karate style you can't just go into any karate
karate studio and learn that
it takes a lot of time a lot of time a lot of time i talked about uh taekwondo
kicks to someone once
we're we're talking about this about them implementing them in mma and i was
like you kind of can but
really you should start with that yeah like if you want to learn it you kind of
have to learn it when
you're a kid yeah and then then you develop that crazy bill wallace type dexterity
and then once you
do that then learn take down defense then learn a little bit of wrestling then
learn how to all the other
shit it's it's so hard when you're if you start right with mma you know say if
you're a 15 year
old kid and you just go to an mma academy there is no way you're gonna kick
like a guy who's been
kicking his whole life yeah you you need to learn how to do it like almost
first it's i think like
there's a lot of arguments about what you should learn first but i think there's
a real good argument
for young kids to learn either karate or some kicking based style real young
because when they spar
they don't really hurt each other yeah and then they get used to doing it so
you get used to sparring
like i love watching little kids spar man because they can't hit each they hit
each other but they
don't hurt each other we we do full-on mma sparring wow schools yeah kicking
punching you know
obviously in in the that when they're in the beginning when they first get
their their sparring gear
you're doing more sparring drills than anything learning how to block but they
you know they got
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you got to take them through this conditioning process a lot of schools out
there don't even allow contact
yeah i think it's crap but it's also there's a thing with the style that you do
that you almost
you're not going to do it that way if you could do everything else from the
beginning you're going
to work you get hit a couple of times you're going to try to take somebody down
you know you're going
to try to do something different like even like your your style originally you
didn't really leg kick
like when did you start leg kicking i did pull this thing up to like keep it
like close to your
sorry about that no worries when you start leg kicking i started i had my last
fight my last
kickboxing fight before i wanted to go mma it was a leg kick fight it was a muay
thai fight so that
was your first one my very first one so you had like 56 above the way or below
above the waist above the
waist and then one muay thai style which it can kind of go both ways i figured
like now that i go back to
above the waist it's so hard it's so much harder right because you can't kick
the leg you can't
yeah you're not getting kicked but then you only have this small area that you
have to find
an you know a spot to kick or find an opening when you can create that by just
kicking somebody in
the leg and it was so difficult um but that was my first experience of full
contact like to the legs
like uh our kimpo style um we go at it man it's my dad's just really old school
and uh i remember in
the in the earlier days if you didn't have the natural ability to do the
martial arts he ran you
off really oh yeah it was that early 80s he was very hardcore he didn't let you
learn um
he i don't think he wanted he wanted it the easier for him to teach you
something those are the kind of
people he wanted around he didn't want to spend a whole lot of time trying to
trying to this is what
i got he may have something different but this is kind of you know living in
the dojo is what i
kind of come up with you know and people didn't last like he was drill so he
grew up in a military
school pretty much his dad was pretty rough put him in military school his dad
owned bars and
brothels man in charleston south carolina oh wow and uh high school put him in
military school that's
when he fell in love with the martial arts and then when he when he was 18 he
moved his he moved
out it's so crazy that elvis is what inspired him he loved his he loved his uh
western movies and
he did like yeah he loved them man his mom was a huge elvis fan says you know i
can't sing like the
guy can't dance like the guy i want to try this karate thing so he had his
first fight at the it was in
uh charlotte um i forgot which arena it was but in 1977 i think it was 1977 he
had his first kickboxing
fight wow and then he fought uh went over in france he fought for the usa team
he fought in greenville
south carolina the baddest man in greenville is what it was called it was no
holds bar really yeah
with boxing gloves on you can take him down no weight class submissions um yeah
if i mean if you knew
them back in those i don't think anybody knew submission boxing gloves boxing
gloves how heavy
were the gloves i don't know they're probably eight ounces eight twelve eight
eight ounces but i mean
this is how crazy it was you had a guy you know um you had a black guy come out
into the ring with
a confederate flag you know what it was wild he fought he had to fight that guy
he had to fight a
guy who was 300 pounds we got a picture of him literally with his opponent on
the ground and my
dad's up in the air getting ready to staunt this dude's head i'm like you didn't
realize that you
could kill the guy he was like no i had to pay rent man i had to win this thing
wow i had to pay rent
yeah he fought on that thing twice before they wouldn't let him they wouldn't
let him compete
anymore really they kicked him out yeah and then what did they say you're too
good i don't think they
said you were too good stop stomping people yeah maybe i don't know but then i
think the promotion
changed hands and it became uh the toughman contest there was an event in hawaii
back in the 70s i
believe that was one of the very first uh no holds barred events that benny orquidez
competed in
benny orquidez yeah he was a beast yeah benny the jet was a bad man dude i
heard the craziest story
about him and this was when i was in the competing in the walkover world
championships which was like
our kickboxing olympics right it's held in a different country every two years
we got some kids
that point fight they're switching over to mma you think that i've got a lead
leg man in the
conservative cover some some distance these kids 17 years old or 18 years old
his brother's 21 blake
and um blake spence trent spence these kids are fast boy they kick me in the
face on a reg
on the regular but they're they've competed all over the world since they were
kids you know that's
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what the what they put they they're getting ready for the walk of world
championship they're supposed
to be in moscow or something this year but uh got to hang out with uh bill
superfoot wallace
and he told me this crazy story about benny the jet he was asked to fight a guy
the guy's name
was muay thai his name was muay thai that was the style he thought he thought
he thought he thought
it was yeah that was guy's name it was in thailand and i don't know how true
this story is maybe he was
just blowing smoke but bitty the jet was undefeated he was fighting this guy
named muay thai and he goes
out the first round it was him chuck norris was there i think joe lewis was
there you know big
heavyweight joe lewis yeah um and he was losing the fight the guy kept kicking
him in the legs kicking
him in the legs so what these three guys did this is what's so freaking cool
they started a fight in the
crowd that went just got nuts that they had to cancel the fight they were
throwing chairs
they like in the ring just from losing that's what i heard that's what i heard
yeah i think i've seen a video of something like that i definitely have seen
videos of benny
fighting like leg kick style yeah i think after this fight he ended up doing
more muay thai stuff
yeah he would wear he would still wear the pants the karate pants well i'm sure
you've seen the rick
rufus fight where rick rufus fought that champion from thailand yeah and he
hurt him in the first round
with punches but then the guy just kept chopping at his legs chopping at his
legs and eventually they
literally had to carry him out of there couldn't walk yeah there's something
else about those thai
guys and also back then nobody understood the effectiveness of leg kicks yeah
and rick
rufus was a bad i mean he was so good and he had the guy really hurt he dropped
him in the first round
had him in real trouble but the dude got up they call it it's on youtube the
fight that changed
kickboxing forever that's the it was like the american kickboxer versus the thai
with thai style
people just did not understand the effectiveness they didn't understand how
vulnerable the legs are
when you get a guy who's a thai who really knows how to slam those shins
because back then all the
guys were kicking with their insteps yeah they were either hitting you with the
heel or the instep
either they're hitting you with hook kicks and wheel kicks and side kicks or
they're hitting you with
roundhouse kicks with the instep but the thai's had figured out a long time ago
thousand years ago
thousands isn't it crazy oh my gosh here it is so here's the fight and so this
dude had a complete
traditional look he's a low calf kick wow way back in the days and he's still
wearing the karate boots
like what the man he had the karate boots and that dude is barefoot but rick
had him hurt yeah he hit
him with some wild shit because you know the guy had never seen anybody that
could throw the kind of
techniques that rick could throw i mean he would throw that calves on that guy
i know something
about ties you know you watch those guys their calves are just ridiculous look
at me he hit him again
on the legs just plodding down and rick doesn't know what to do he doesn't know
how to check it
look at that beautiful jump spinning back kick and he dropped the dude with a
punch but he just keeps
getting lit up with these kicks and after a while his legs just became used
there there it is so it was like a
yeah yeah that was sick yeah threw a kick and then the punch right behind it he
threw a left round kick
and then right behind it he lands a perfect punch and it's got the guy really
up guy drops his
mouthpiece he's in real trouble and rick swarms on him but the dude knows how
to survive look he drops
him again almost kicked him in the face when he was down too look at the stare
down there
so rick is you know he's out for blood but this dude probably been fighting
since he was five yeah you
know though they have tie fights when they're really young yeah i've seen them
actually on dirt surfaces
like they just have like people around them and then they're fighting on dirt
but then these leg kicks
started really taking their toll and eventually rick's legs are just chopped
meat and this dude is
just attacking the legs like look at this like right there that was it
i mean he's in agony there he gets up and he just gets punished even more and
at this point the dude's
going across the front of the legs he's going to the back of the legs like
anything he can and that's
it that was a wrap he's just in agony i'm wincing because i i i feel like you
know i feel for him like
i i've felt those kicks before especially low calf yeah i wonder if they're is
that allowed in muay thai
kicking the calf it is allowed yeah it is allowed but the thing about low calf
kick in muay thai first
of all the guy in the they don't have to worry about takedowns right so that
front leg is very light
they're very light and they turn on the outside if you watch there's a jimmy
rivera pedro muñoz
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fight is a good example of how you can check that low calf kick if you plan on
checking it and you look
for it regularly because jimmy rivera is so good at it and he hits it all the
time but in that fight
petro is is aware of it in advance and muñoz checks it over and over and over
again but he
kept landing it on jimmy and he eventually like he won the battle of the low
calf kick yeah but it's
such a punishing kick oh my goodness i think it was the vicente luque i took
three of them and
i don't know if it's it has to do a lot with those three kicks or sometimes
whenever i kick
i roll my hip over maybe a little too much and i start hitting with the outside
of my
calf oh yeah yeah you know instead of the shin yeah so that might that may be
why sometimes i'm
limping afterwards but those like calf kicks are no joke they're brutal i hit rory
mcdonald with lead
leg low calf kicks in that fight and he was limping afterwards he was like he
had to have somebody carry
and walk off with him that's early on in the calf kick game right because
really benson henderson
was the first guy i saw use it really effectively and regularly but then when
you get into the
fights being stopped with low calf kicks you're like wow this is crazy like
guys literally can't walk
yeah and then the conor mcgregor fight was like i mean the whole world got to
see that because even
the casual mma fan watched that fight and walked that is crazy i feel like 2019
2020 was like the years of
the low calf kick when it really started to become mainstream right because you
don't have a lot of
muscle there it's bone on bone you know and that that group of muscle is such a
a function for you
to move around it's just like you know you hit that one you know one or two
times good spot and you saw
with sugar was it o'malley just shut him down yeah was that dead foot was what
they call that that happened
also with uh cejudo when he fought mighty mouse mighty mouse kicked him his leg
went numb and he's got
that drop foot drop foot yeah that's what they call it henry survived he
survived he made it through but
it happened to michael chandler and i saw that one it's a crate it's like those
nerves are so exposed
there you hit that one spot i thought he broke his ankle but it was just it's
really like the button
for the calf yeah it's like the the version of on the button for your chin that's
kind of the same
thing for a calf and i think that's the the beauty of that karate style as well
you're starting to see
more and more people doing it but switching sides sometimes switching sides can
just do it for you
well you you switch up quite a bit and you you're much it seems like correct me
if i'm wrong but
you're more comfortable right leg forward with a front leg with my front leg
yes i do i do throw with
my left but my po yeah i love using my right leg you're right hand yeah yeah i'm
right-handed yeah yeah
but um you know i've it's funny because i have you know little things here i
like to do with my left
leg different kicks different kicks i do with my right leg and it's uh but
sometimes preventing
somebody from low calf kicking you so if you had your left foot in front like
when i fought vicente i
come out we're in a closed stance out my left head left foot i can tell he was
just trying to shut me
down most everybody tries to do with my movement is just trying low calf kick
me or take my legs out
and all it takes for me to switch sides they throw that one hard low calf kick
maybe the inside and
i check it a lot of times they think twice about doing it because yeah i do a
lot i spend a lot
of time conditioning my shins my feet and that's just the old school what do
you do my dad um i start
off and actually have a tutorial on this on my on my youtube channel and it was
one of my most popular
videos to be honest i didn't think it was going to be that popular but
everybody wants to know how to
condition their shins but start off and this is something my dad has trained a
lot of guys kick
boxers world champions and um he had he told me you got to dents in the bone
first most guys that
are athletes their bones are pretty dense you know you're jumping you're
running you're getting those
little micro fractures and they heal back up so the bone becomes strong bone
becomes dense i don't
recommend doing this if you're just coming off of the couch and you you haven't
played sports before
because you can end up injuring yourself but just you know you get a muay thai
bag and you know the
lower part of the muay thai bag is harder than the than the rest everything
kind of sinks down
you spend a lot of time hitting that boom just over and over and over again you're
taking a lot of
punishment to that bone and the bone wants to the beefing up then when you go
from that you go to
i have a maki a maki where yeah so it's in our school my dad's on that thing
every day you see my
dude's my dad's hands it's ridiculous he used to punish us he just slapped the
top of our head
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there you go there you go um there's the uh you can go check that out find that
but yeah there's
that's the actual market but you see the tire and that's there to condition the
skin not just
the bone because your skin's got to be um tough conditioned and tough because
you don't know if you
saw when luke rockhold was it during the yo romero fight he had split the skin
from checking uh or
kicking yo romero and it got mercer or something yeah he's still up really
still do you see the
fight that he had with yan bohovic yes he had that thing wrapped up yeah he
wore like a sleeve
over his shin because he's had multiple skin grafts what yeah oh he's his shin's
been
fucked yeah from that fight dude infections like mercer staff that kind of shit
in a cut and an open
wound you have to take care of that that is so dangerous people die from that
that's wild they
had to pack they probably had to pack it you've seen that yeah i can sit there
and watch that on
youtube all day yeah pull those stuff hold it put that video back up so what i
do is i will condition
the skin so that so that way those those splits don't happen right and i've
done this for years
top of the file go from the top of the foot from my toes all the way up to that
knee knuckle on that
top of the shin right below your knee um and i'll do as you start off i i tell
people start off with
doing 10 and you work your way up to doing 50 and then doing 100. and you just
do it do you do it
it's not hard yeah it's not hard and i try and do it three times a week does it
show what you're doing
there i don't know if it does or not yeah they're right there jim and it's just
tapping so that's
how you do it yep just sit there pop and i do both of them and you know
obviously the the more your skin
and shin becomes more conditioned you know you can sink it in there a little
bit now did you when you
went to train from when you went from uh above the waist kickboxing to
incorporating leg kicks did you go
to a tie gym did you what no no just didn't just jump right in jump right in
did you think i'm going
to kick him in the legs too or did you say i'm just going to do what i do no i
i knew that the the legs
were additional targets are we really focused on that really focused on trying
i did a lot of changes
man yeah from when i went from kickboxing to and i learned that through
training with gsp i had fought on
a card in montreal this is when i was in kickboxing this was before i had torn
every ligament in my
left leg in the world combat league when i fought raymond daniels you tore
every ligament every ligament
my left leg what happened first 30 seconds of the first round it was of course
you were in that weird
bowl right and it was um it wasn't canvas and i believe it was first 36th in
the first round i had
fought raymond and uh i guess they didn't clean up where somebody fallen on
their back of the fight
before there was some really some damp spots and i knew raymond daniels he
liked to spin i forgot which
side forward it was but he likes to spin off of i think it might be his left
foot in front so he kicks
with his right leg and i think he was kind of in between switching and i
decided to blitz him then
right i was trying to catch him when he switched and then i had ran in for some
reason
um i had slipped a little bit as i was coming in he grabs me by the neck and he
pulls me to the
side so i step with my left foot my leg was straight then he kind of pulls down
and i just kind
of fold into my leg and it just collapsed inward and that's all she wrote man
it just i could just
feel it just collapse everything just gave way but i just felt every everything
just break just brah
and i'm sitting on the ground rolling here we go watch this right there
boom right oh my goodness dude oh my goodness oh look at you so that's where i
slipped there
he's throwing he pulls he pulls to the left and i step and that's when it
collapsed in oh my god
it just went i remember afterwards i tried to stand up that's where i slipped
boom i pull in he stepped pulls down what it was almost like this i guess
kind of pulls me in it was terrible and then um you have to do a surgery yeah
multiple multiple
surgeries i did cadaver how many surgeries well there was only one original
surgery where they
went in they took 40 of my meniscus out oof uh i did um that's a lot yeah yeah
it was uh is that
the same leg that darren till was uh side kicking you on yeah that's i tore my
mcl during that fight in
the first or second round wow yeah now i actually i showed it and kind of i
kind of back up and
shake it out a little bit i was kind of pissed but you know it is what it is
and then i feel like
like after that i did cadaver tissue so they could beef up my acl as much they
can make it as thick as
they want and then um so what did they they do with the um achilles tendon is
that what they use
for you um i don't know it was i it might have been achilles or i know they use
patella
and they can they can take as much as they want because i know if if they take
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your own they can
take a small portion but the healing time is it's elongated i did both i did patella
on my left leg
and i did cadaver on my right yeah the right they used uh achilles tendon from
a cadaver and it was
great yeah that was that one has never been a problem since the left one was patella
tendon graft
and it took a long time to heal it took like it took a full year before i felt
confident with it and then even
then like if i would uh do anything where i had to get on one knee yeah it
would hurt it would hurt
pretty bad even two knees like even stretching like still yeah you know no not
anymore now it's nothing
now it feels like 100 it doesn't bother me at all but like if i'm uh i'm you
know the one who you uh
you get on your knees and you lean back yeah it took forever before i could do
that one it was just so
tight yes yeah that's how mine was so bad to be on your knees like when your
knees touch because they have to
take a piece of your bone off your kneecap and a piece of bone out of your shin
and they pull it out
with the the piece of the patella and they open you up like a fish and drill it
in place have you seen
those surgeries i watched or knee rip i watched my surgery because i was hoping
i was never going to
do surgery again so i asked the doctor i said can i watch and he goes well i
want to put you under
and i go is there a way where i could watch instead of you putting me under he
goes wow i could give you an
epidural but i don't recommend it and he goes so you did an epidural yeah he
goes he goes i don't
want you to freak out i go i'm not going to freak out i go i want to see it
that's awesome the doctor
was crazy he let me he goes yes you're crazy i'm crazy too give me knuckles let's
go talk to watch
the surgery yeah next surgery i'm watching it it was really weird to do it yeah
it was pretty weird
but you know it it took a it took a while because five months in that ligament
dies and then your
body kind of regenerates yeah your body reproforates it and then the doctor
told me five months in your
knee is going to feel great of course me before that man i feel like i could do
anything you know
i'm sitting here dunking i can do i i've i've got it where i can uh my dad's
six two i can jump over
my dad you know just doing crazy tricking martial arts tricking and i do some
of that if i knock
anybody out on the octagon but that was that my first flip that little corkscrew
i did i used to
do that all the time i don't do that anymore just because it's not worth the
risk yeah i mean it's
crazy because it looks cool but if you like when michael chandler knocked out
dan hooker and then did
that back flip i was like bro or even stop doing that what's his name he was
doing like the body
roll and he hurt his shoulder johnny walker yeah he his shoulder up he was out
for he had to get
surgery haven't been the same since he has a giant scar on his shoulder from
that yeah yeah i know he
hasn't been the same since so it's like you know i didn't listen to him five
months in um sparring and
i end up my knee it just kind of like moves over back in that's what happened
that's what it felt like
yeah like this is where my knee bends it just went and then i was like mess it
up i know i guarantee
it messed it up and i tore it again but i didn't i had stretched it but then i
had tore more meniscus
oh so they had to go back in tighten everything up they had they were they
repaired my meniscus
i'm talking six weeks couldn't put any weight on that leg right it was straightened
the whole time
it's crazy i a lifetime to get your leg to where it is took six weeks for my
thigh to be as big as my
calf yeah it's crazy isn't it just that's what i was out for three years three
years which was kind
of a blessing to be honest with you because i was fighting every all the time
and my dad's been there
with me 24 7 7 days a week training and i wanted to quit i didn't want to fight
anymore burnout i was
burnt man and i didn't know how to tell him didn't know how to tell him because
he's your dad and he's
scary man and he's scary too and to be honest you know i i didn't and he's
always told me that he's
always like man if you don't want to do this let me know but i can always see
you know there's something
in his eyes like he really he wants me to do this of course and then um this
happened right so in that
time those three years i just when the doctor told me i would never do it again
that's when it was like
for real for me like that's when that flame just it rose in my in me that i'm
doing this for you
screw that i'm doing this again what are you talking about you know there's no
way he'll probably never
fight again and uh he's done all my surgeries it's funny because uh i i look at
him like
see remember yeah yeah we were just talking the other day about when i got my
acl
reconstructed and then i had uh meniscus damage i had to get scoped out they
were like you got to
stop doing martial arts and i i was in my 20s i was like what are you talking
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about this is my whole
life yeah this is my identity i'm not stopping like are you fixing this you're
fixing it right
then we're there you go i'm going back in i don't know what you're saying you're
just talking nonsense
because i was looking at him with his belly and like yeah come on pencil arms i'm
like shut your
hole yeah like i'm not going to stop doing this it was one of the reasons why i
ended up injuring it
again because my physical therapy that i was doing was for normal people who
just walked a point a to
point b they're not so my my quad was overdeveloped my hamstring was weak and
that was one of the causes
of me injuring my knees so much so that in that time uh before that injury i
fought in montreal back
to where we were getting to uh i was fighting a guy very tough kickboxer out of
montreal and lo and
behold george st pierre and faraz ahabi was in my opponent's corner and i ended
up knocking that dude
out in the fifth round and then afterwards i think it was kind of kind of wild
he comes up gsp comes up
and faraz hey man we would love to bring in for you know and his his student
was kind of over there
just like this you know he was like uh we would love to bring out for gsp's
camps you know help him
out with the strike and i'm like are you kidding me that's incredible what year
was this oh man 2000
um shoot seven eight six seven eight so this is gsp at the top of the
fucking food chain yeah right this was probably around like the nick diaz fight
it was probably before
that really because i helped him for with uh john fitch tiago alvez matt sarah
um shoot i know there
was more but um was up there and i that's when i knew i was like i i kept
getting taken down every
time i blitz this dude just change his level run right into a level a double
leg ended up on my head
so i was like i gotta make some changes man i gotta i gotta lower my stance i
gotta i can't blitz
straight in i gotta angle off because i'm running into these things and that's
when he was my
inspiration to switch from kickboxing to mma really he was my inspiration yeah
man i mean he was we
became friends man and i was up there helping him out and well he was helping
me out more than i was
helping him out you know that's what it felt like to me i was just at all that
i was up there training
with this guy he's so open-minded too he's the fact that they did that that you
just knocked out
their guy and they're like hey man can we train that's so smart it's so open-minded
and i think
it was the style too like they know there was like something different about
that and maybe i can
i don't know if i could somehow figure that out then these other strikers like
tiago alvez was
i don't know i don't know what they were thinking george started out with shotokan
as well
so because of that style like his that was his original style that karate style
and he always attributes
that to his ability to take people down he said it's his karate blitz like the
the blitz the ability
to close that distance quickly is what allowed him to get really good at double
legs that's awesome
makes sense right it does 100 i mean especially the angles i i you never see me
throw it in you did in
the earlier days i mean when i fought nishan burrell you know i out wrestled
him out struck him but i was
using a lot of wrestling chris clements i was doing a lot of wrestling i was
taking him down but i think
it was after the sean burrell fight i was like joe silva comes up and was like
steven he's like just
remember it wasn't your wrestling that got you here i'm like that's always that
i was like yeah got you
but um you know it was the matt brown fight that i really after that i really
wanted to show my
wrestling because everybody thought i didn't have it and i don't think it was
the fact that i didn't have it i was
just done 30 seconds in the first round i was the weight cut and everything
killed me
and what was it about that fight because that was a weird fight for you it was
it was different man
i just came off of knocking this dude out in the first round got the bonus you
know and it was like
the week i got back they're like hey man you want to you want to fight this guy
matt brown
in a few months i'm like yeah let's make it happen i was like why does that
name sound familiar
and then i looked him up i was like dude this dude's got some fights man he's
he's been in the game
for a while but matt brown yeah fucking savage and yeah he showed it man which
is crap i'll tell you
in a second but we rode back in the ambulance together after the fight because
we beat each
other up so bad but i had hired a new strength in to get a conditioning coach
and you know and i was
doing a lot of heavy lifting i was walking around about 215 never got up above
200 pounds since then
just muscled up and i and i i had you know nate marquard come down from my camp
and i felt great
you know and realizing that everything was going great until i had to cut the
weight
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and you got up to 215 yeah oh my god 210 215 i think my heaviest i was about 215.
so you're cutting 40 pounds
40 pounds killed me um after that weight how far out did you start the cut man
i think a little too
late um trying to come down i mean i was eating chicken i hate chicken until
this day i don't like
chicken since then but um i still felt explosive i guess you know if you are
naturally explosive you're
going to keep some of that even if you gain some muscle um but uh i just cut
well i started
cutting i think i don't remember when i started it but i remember almost
passing out a few times
you know getting down to that weight um
and did you check your weight before you got back into the octagon like when
you fully rehydrated how
heavy did you get i didn't i didn't check it i was up there for sure but still
it was like
of course that whole weight cutting process was still new to me and i know for
a fact we didn't
be like my first fight first fight ever we wouldn't do a longhorn steakhouse i
had about a gallon of
sweet tea like three baked potatoes cheese fries and i even though i knocked
the guy out in the second
round i almost vomited everywhere and so much food oh my gosh that's hilarious
but just just drinking sweet tea and not even drinking water you know what i'm
saying so a little
bit of glucose is probably good for your muscles i think so but but no water i
had zero yeah it was
it was wild man i don't know what we were thinking that's crazy but it wasn't
free sweet tea and no
water sweet tea that's like the nectar of the gods in south carolina sweet tea
man that's one thing i i
have a hard time not drinking during fight camps really oh yeah oh yeah but i
keep a weight now
to where i pretty much eat what i want up until about a week what do you stay
at now at my heaviest
195. oh okay 195. that's a big difference that 20 pound difference and that's
trying that's just
trying to trying to trying to do it you know is it because you don't lift
weights as much anymore or
i think the way that we do it though i have a after the tyrant fight good
reason because the guy was
strong as the knocks i had hired uh uh after that experience with matt brown
you know um i had
uh stopped lifting weights like you're just kind of not going to do it anymore
it's going to stick
with just you know bag work and trying to throw bodies around you know that'd
just be my it worked
for a while until tyrant and i've just felt how powerful that dude was i mean
he was just he was
a different animal when i then he was very smart in how he fought you too i've
always said that if
you want to look at a good way to fight wonder boy look at what tyrant did
because he didn't care if
people were booing he didn't care if people thought it was boring he really was
careful running into
the buzzsaw real careful staying on the outside not a lot of activity but then
when he did have
activity it was like super dangerous explosive movements oh my goodness and he
was he was quick
like but but even since since then he kind of fought the same i don't know if
he just felt like
that was the ultimate way of doing it because he like after that he just fought
the same way just
kept backing up backing up i think what do you think i don't know you know i
think tyrant
i think there's a certain number of years a guy can compete at the top of his
range you know and
everybody's different some guys like randy couture kept going like deep into
his 40s was elite and i
think that was like the style that he was fighting to like that greco roman
wrestling that he had that
experience he can just tie dudes up and he was so good at it that he didn't
take a whole lot of damage
maybe and he was just able to do that i don't know what it is it's like
everybody's got their own
amount like you know like some guys are toyotas and they can get 200 000 miles
on them and some
guys are jaguars and 50 000 miles in they're junk yeah you know it's not the
jaguars are junk
bad example whatever you know i'm saying like some some cars are just ranger
rover how about that
they're just not they're not designed as durable as they don't they don't last
as long and some guys
can just for whatever reason look and bernard hopkins fought at a world-class
level until he was 50
years old and a world-class level like beat world champions up until in his
late 40s i'm trying to
raise on that level crazy trying to be on that that's well that guy was super
super disciplined
ate super clean never got out of shape yeah and you know just and he fought so
defensively responsible
yeah like very smart fighter oh yeah just that iq's just really never got in
crazy wars you know what
as much as i love marvin haggler i'm a giant marvin haggler fan like to the day
i die when marvin
haggler fought tommy hearns he threw everything out the window and it's like i'm
gonna fucking kill
this guy yeah i don't give a shit and just waded into the the fire and tommy
was blasting with big
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shots even had him hurt in the first round you would never see bernard hopkins
fight like that ever
ever he would never be defensively irresponsible he always fought like super
technically
and clever that's why i think izzy adesanya so is is the way he is he's very
when you walk out there
and you see a guy you know getting ready to do battle with somebody and you and
you see do two
different types of guys you see the guy that's very jittery and very just like
just on edge all
the time and and you see somebody like izzy or even connor just there's a calmness
there's a very
calmness about him that's a dangerous guy especially now because izzy's so
accustomed to being
successful yeah at the highest levels i've had so many people go up and fight
him i'm like no no
no they i mean chris weidman throws me around like a rag doll
you know it's funny because you got 170 you got 185 and 185 doesn't seem that
big but these dudes
it's big these dudes are big difference and even in izzy's he's so long and he's
he's a big dude too
i mean he is big he's he doesn't look at he looks like a beanpole yeah but he's
he's big he's just i
don't know it's just it's a different different weight throwing around at that
level it's ridiculous
man i would love to have a sparring you know go up there and sparring with him
i think that would be a
fun experience but when i you know i got chris weidman grasping by my wrist i
feel like a three
year old i can't can't get away there's something about that wrestler strength
it's so uncomfortable
it is but i it's funny because i i love i love being in that situation i love
being and i had to learn
to do that i had to learn to be a to love to get accustomed to being just
having someone just grinding
in you all the time didn't sound right but you know yeah i know what you're
saying you know you
got chris weidman just grinding me well when you were the thing is like you
were so dominant as a
striker that's it shows tremendous character to be able to kind of start from
the ground floor i mean
obviously every fight starts standing up so you do have a big advantage there
but that advantage is
it's it's diminished quite a bit by takedowns by the threat of takedowns by all
these different
aspects of mma and and even fighting in a cage is so much different oh yeah and
fighting in ropes
or in fighting the world combat league that's sort of bowl that's the bowl
thing did you like
that bowl thing no not at all i mean look cool it looked cool looked like a
blood sport yeah you
know uh they're using that for the boss root and karate league karate yeah but
uh karate combat
karate combat it's got like a similar very similar but they have walls so you're
not falling off the
stage right right then it was it was you're like on that fine line when you got
close to that thing
you could go off of it and you got like a three foot drop i've been fighting
forever to have fights
take place with no cage and i'm like if you can have a football field and you
could have all these
dudes run around playing football there's no fence there's no cage and they're
running full blast these
are giant super athletes you're telling me you can't have a fight in the middle
of a football arena
how come you can't have like basketball is another example basketball you got
all these players he's
giant dude seven feet tall they're running around they're fine with his
basketball floor but we have
to have everybody caged in because that cage is an artificial structure yeah it
stops you from moving
that way you get pressed up against it you you can get up quicker from it you
can utilize it to hold
people in place there's a lot of weirdness to a cage it also obstructs the view
it does wow i didn't
really think about that it does and you're better off just kind of like you
know watching it at home
you get a better view at home that's right and you got the commentating on the
grass dude how grass
you got my mind rolling right now dude you can have more than one just more
than one
fights going all at once yeah but that's like a gym where guys collide into
each other and someone
gets a blown out knee oh yes that's how rashad evans lost uh the fight with uh
john jones when uh
where when rashad evans rather lost the fight with shogun he was sparring in
the same ring as
diego sanchez and diego sanchez collided with him and up his knee so rashad had
to pull out of the
fight with shogun john jones steps in takes the fight john jones becomes the
youngest ever light
heavyweight champion youngest ever ufc champion wow yeah crazy look at him now
he looks massive
look at him now he's so i feel like he is i just i don't think it's a good move
can you get massive
enough for francis that's the question yeah or do you want i mean do you want
to right yeah i don't
care how much weight you put on to get up this dude's been carrying that weight
around his whole life
and it's natural and he's explosive yeah there's i mean you got some dudes that
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just even i i've
sparred with guys smaller than me but they just have some kind of power about
them i fought a a pro
body i was up there training with gsp and he was going over to the howards
brothers up in in montreal
and there was a guy adonis adonis creed i don't remember his name adonis he was
a world champion
adonis stevenson the boxer yeah yes yeah oh my god i was in the ring with him
and i know the one
of the howards brothers were i think the oldest he was just happy a white boy
can go up there and box
he's like get up there and spar this guy i didn't know who this guy was yeah
okay you know yeah yeah
sure thumbs up and i go out there i'm sparring this guy he's taking it easy on
me but but you know
whenever he would throw a punch i felt it in my bones i've never been hit like
that and the funny
thing is he's probably taking it easy on me i mean you could there's something
about a guy and which
doesn't make sense for these mma fighters to go over to boxing and it's
exciting but still to do that
it's just a diff it's a different sport it's a different something different
about it it's very
different but i think the most interesting uh crossover is claressa shields claressa
who was a
two-time olympic gold medalist in boxing now she's fighting in mma and she's
still young and she
looks great like she she's crushing i've seen her some of some of her photos
you know some of the
videos she's putting out there she's doing some work in those hands you don't
want no part of those
hands with little gloves she's big she in the olympic yeah well she's 55 oh
yeah it's it's it's a weight
above really is she is she picked up by anybody yet pfl pfl because the pfl
up everybody yeah they're doing a good thing they're they're being very smart
you know they're
getting really good fighters they got rory now they got showtime uh pettis is
there uh john
doomsday howard is over there they've got good fighters over there they have
they have a good roster
and they're putting more in kayla harrison and she is probably the most
exciting female fighter outside
of claressa that's not in the ufc and you know judo gold medalist beast beast
of an athlete
and uh she'll she'll probably wind up fighting claressa and that's
claressa's got it it's got it she needs a lot of time to get to that because
obviously you know what
it's like when when a real and out world-class judo player grabs a hold of you
yeah like you just like
oh my god i remember i rolled with caro parisian when car was in his prime it
was like rolling with a
chimp it was really just like you just get thrown around like what in the that's
how that's
what i heard it was like rolling with uh marcelo garcia oh yeah i'm sure just
the gorilla strength
that guy has got just uh he doesn't look it yeah i heard he's just so strong ryan
hall told me he was
just ridiculous well his legs are so preposterously big yeah and marcelo was so
good at utilizing his
legs like his x guard and his sweeps and then when he would take your back he
would crush you with those
legs his legs were like these crazy tree trunks big casp i mean he was short so
he's got like he
looked like the beast from x-men he looked like a champ yeah like a champ yeah
yeah and ryan told me he's
like you know i i look at ryan i like he's you know he's here and he said marcelo
he said marcelo
is just there's a few guys i've rolled with where you're just like jeez jake
shields is another one
oh my god crazy strong ridiculous have you spar have you rolled with chris weideman
no i can only
imagine chris weideman in his prime like on his way up to the title like when
he smashed leota machida
like when he was smashing people chris weideman was a monster he competed in i
think the abu dhabi
i think in a vitor belford i'm thinking not okay did he fight leota he did yes
five fives i was
right that was his that was the fight right after the second uh anderson they
went the distance yeah
that was you know what i was actually thinking i was thinking of him and vitor
belford because he
destroyed vitor belford just crushed him yeah but he uh he competed in abu dhabi
i think a year of
jiu-jitsu and i think he made it the it was controversial i think he was
beating everybody and he
i forgot he was going up against but he but he ended up losing well he was such
a such a powerful
wrestler yeah you know i remember when he knocked out munoz and when he was on
his way up to the
title and you know he was just on another level like and i remember ray longo
saying he he like
after one of his fights ray long looked at me the kid's a motherfucker i'm
telling you that kid's a
motherfucker we call him the godfather he because he looks just looks like a
mafia guy right the way he
talks he's great such a character i love him he was in south carolina not too
long ago him and matt
sarah are my all-time favorite corner guys to listen to the two of those guys
together they're such
characters they're so funny they are they're awesome the two of them together
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energy yeah they they feed
off of each other oh yeah it's just that that guido energy yeah they're so they're
so hilarious and
they're both like super talented martial artists too they know what they're
talking about but they
have all this personality and flavor yeah i all i feel like i all the the whole
team up there is
like that well it's what a team i mean just think about like you have henso
gracie that academy has
produced more elite grapplers i think than any other academy on earth and still
to this day right john
donnaher comes out of there the donnaher death squad is dominating nogi
competition you know you got
gordon ryan who is pretty much universally regarded as the best nogi grappler
of all time right he's only 26 years
old 25 years old he comes out of there like he's 25 yes pull up gordon ryan i
think gordon's 25 at the
most i think he's 26. and his brother his brother's nasty nikki ryan he's nasty
eddie cummings came out
of there 25 25. he hasn't lost in 39 bouts in jujitsu that's crazy and that's
unheard of i watched some
of his his like recent stuff too like well before the whole kobe thing and it
almost looks like he just
rolls so slow and like he's playing with these dudes he's at such an advanced
level they don't take a
single day off i talked to donna her about that because i'm trying to get them
to move out here
yeah because donnaher was like cuba they're in puerto rica yeah they're in puerto
rico um donnaher
they had this event out here and then afterwards we all went to dinner and we
were all hanging out and
donnaher was uh telling me that he has people come over and uh you know they
have these brutal training
sessions he's like all right i'll see you tomorrow he goes tomorrow you guys do
this every day he goes
every day he goes seven days a week seven days a week because what about christmas
christmas like they're there christmas they're there every day they don't i go
you don't believe
in rest days he goes no he goes just train lighter active recovery i'm like wow
but you look the
results speak for themselves yeah i but i there's something with that because i
train every day
sometimes two twice a day yeah still seven days a week don't take a day well
sunday off i take sunday
off church that and just to film a day off filming oh for your youtube channel
have you always taken
sunday off um always yeah just uh kick back and just do nothing yeah i think
you'd need a day of
that no but these guys are not i mean don but donnaher is a he's a strange cat
because he's a super
genius i i've i've i met him through gsp when i was going up there training
with him he was in gsp's
corner and and through him is how i met chris so think about that combination
you got weidman ray
longo matt sarah donnaher henzo gracie you also have farasa hobby who i think
is the best mind in mma
when you're talking to that guy about strategy and about training and he's
without a doubt one of the
masterminds of sport you got gsp you got the whole tri-star say rory oh yeah i
mean crazy it's a crazy
group of people that all came out of this one sort of uh group of human beings
yeah that's that's
ridiculous it's amazing affiliation oh yeah you know that affiliation of all
those top schools together
yeah i would go up there you know with chris and that first sparring session
was crazy yeah you also have
gary tonen who's now killing it in one fc you know and he's one of the most
elite grapplers on the
planet too he's a part of that group what is he fighting at one fc one fc yeah
what weight i think
he's well you know one fc has no they have a hydration thing yeah where they
check your hydration
like that i like it a lot i like it a lot yeah i like it a lot i don't i don't
believe in weight
cutting i think it's i think it's sanctioned cheating that was that was the big
kicker for
me too from going from kickboxing too i didn't cut any weight you know i'd go
up a weight class but when
i had to learn how to do it it took some time it wasn't until probably the whitaker
fight really that
i finally found a good way of doing it really yeah we were just winging it we
were asking so how did you
learn how to do it weidman didn't show you how to do it um it might have been
okay it might have
been before that's right because i was with i was with weidman at that way at
that fight maybe it was
the chris clements fight but no i mean we were asking you know it was actually
gsp and fros
they kind of we called them and listen man we're dying here what's we need we
need some help
no you never thought about like uh getting a george lockhart or someone like
that to come at the time
work with you not at the time do you use someone like that now um i used uh tyler
minton
tyler minton was it i was using perfecting athletes for a while the ladies were
great man i loved them
but um we ended up going with tyler minton the dude is just he's it's funny i'm
family i mean i'm
having full-on meals and still losing weight really oh yeah how are you doing
that what are you doing
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differently so you know obviously i i think i think a lot helps with just being
coming into fight week
lighter you know i i during fight camp training through two or three times a
day i naturally get
to 185 and i stay there up until the tuesday um before the fight this ufc
usually brings us in on
tuesday i water load on on sunday so i'll drink three gallons of water which
takes all day um so i
naturally get to 185 halfway through camp i stay there the sunday before the
fight week i'll drink three
gallons of water why why on sunday before fight week yeah that's when i just
when i start my water
load i i know i hate drinking water i drink maybe a half a gallon sweet tea man
sweet tea or i gotta
flavor the water with something i can't i can't stand it do you are you
drinking distilled water when
you're doing this with the water load just regular water regular water and um
still taking vitamins and
minerals because you can deplete yourself right i had a buddy of mine go
through eight hours of body
cramps man cutting weight you're not taking the you know potassium and the
magnesium and things like
that so and then after that i take a i just saturate my body well i cut a half
a gallon off each day
so we show up on tuesday tyler men's there he's got my three three meals ready
and little snacks in
between little butter balls i don't know what is all one of the ingredients
like little little protein like
little butter balls man with like um some kind of seasoning almond butter it's
like maybe almond
butter and some of them and he's got this one now it's like a chocolate flavor
so it if you have any
kind of cravings it just gets rid of all those cravings and i'll do like he'll
make like uh chicken
with with spaghetti or um zucchini spaghetti spaghetti spaghetti squash yeah
spaghetti it's just phenomenal
meals man i'm still losing weight really and i'll still work out once a day
small portions regular
portions um i mean i wouldn't say your average maybe a little less than average
which but enough but
enough man i feel great yeah and sometimes that's like man i shouldn't be
feeling this full right
now i'm all right just trust the process that he says just trust the process
and he's been great
so he's been doing this for mma fighters for a long time for a while yeah for a
long time i think
he started with uh george lockhart i'm not sure when i talked to lockhart about
it and he's explaining the
science behind weight cutting like what wait a minute like he's doing it based
on like how much
muscle mass you have and how much water they can draw out of your muscle mass
and where you're at
now versus where you need to be right before they drain you out and he was
explaining that the bigger
your muscles are the more water you can cut yeah so you got like yoel romero or
tyron yeah tyron
can cut a shitload of water but i gotta think that still is depleting you and
if you could just
weigh what you weigh i would agree why is that not cheating how come steroids
are cheating but that's
not cheating like when you see a guy like um you know fill in the blank for
some some some guy who
cuts a shitload of weight whoever it is when they're weighing in at 170 but you
know they're really
195 200 by the time they get on the scale it's crazy because you're not a 170
the 170 pound champion
of the world bitch you're not 170 you were 170 for 10 minutes yeah like you're
not 170 i mean i understand
that everyone's doing it and it's okay because everyone's doing it but it's not
healthy for the
fighter it's it's completely lying to the general public yeah you know like
when you see these guys
like some guys they're cutting weight and you look at them you're like what are
you doing yourself like
tj dillshaw perfect example yeah when he goes down to fight henry cejudo he's
walking around like a
guy from the walking dead yeah it looks like he's like he looks like death and
he performed i mean
i feel like you're not holding the amount of water you should too like it i don't
know if that was why
he got knocked out i was right on the button but still it's not good for your
brain right it's
none of that's good for your brain i mean he was so up before that fight and
that's why
he really should have never gone down to 125. and that's one of the reasons why
i walk around lighter
i just feel like i'm smarter it's smarter i feel so fast i feel i still i feel
a lot faster even
the guys are walking around a lot bigger they're stronger probably right off
the bat but
you're healthier yeah like a lot of guys their careers really flourished once
they moved up in
weight you know masvidal is a good example right whitaker whitaker is a perfect
example right at 170
he was struggling he's a big guy god damn he looked good against kelvin how
good did he
i'm ready i'm ready for that fight i'm ready for the adesanya fight let's
pretend the adesanya fight
never happened and you saw him versus kelvin and you saw stylebender versus kelvin
you'd go wow
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whitaker's want to win that's a great fight i want to see that fight i still
wouldn't think
i mean you know it's hard it depends on what else you saw from stylebender yeah
if you saw stylebender
versus uh borachina yeah and you'd go okay okay because paulo costa looked like
a destroyer
and stylebender lit him on fire and pissed on the ashes yeah that was crazy
that was crazy
that was to call it like that and then to to like say i'm just gonna pick this
guy apart make him
look foolish and he did and he did that's and then dry humped him after we put
him away i don't know
about that because that just kind of that's just weird to me but i'm telling
you i'm in i'm in for
the dry humping whatever he does i'm in i and i love the fact that he had the
courage to go up and
fight dominant that's what it is 205 you know i mean that was an interesting
thing right because when
he fought bohovich he didn't even gain any weight but he didn't get beat up no
he didn't get beat up
he really didn't but he did get dominated in the grappling exchanges with
pretty much shut out
any talk of him ever fighting john jones yeah the size i think the the strength
and also grappling
ability yeah you know the reality is when you have a big guy like bohovich but
i would like to take
bohovich's bones and like i'm bringing them to a scientist go what the is going
on with this dance
where's he from poland so legendary polish power the polish power that
motherfucker can
punch ridiculous you think about rock hole when he fought oh my god one left
hook i think i think
that's john jones's mistake he's doing the same thing rock hole did when he
moved up putting on
put on a lot of weight a lot of weight yeah and it will slow you the down it'll
slow you down
what's interesting about bohovich is you watch john jones versus dominic reyes
they go five hard
rounds a lot of people thought reyes might have won the decision john jones
clearly came on the
championship rounds pulled it out and you go okay but close fight you see bohovich
versus dominic
reyes dominic reyes is like what in the is going on yeah by the time the first
round is over he's
got a giant foot on his rib cage body kick crazy power that guy has in
everything and then he clips
him with one punch and you see dominic reyes give out and he puts him away like
that guy can
fucking punch in a weird way gotta have something yeah like you said just the
size of him the density
of that guy weird just looks like you couldn't pick him up yeah you know he's
got crazy but he's
talking about fighting ngano blohovich blohovich bohovich says he wants to
fight in gano
whoa i i would love that fight that's crazy i would love to see that fight but
i wonder if
he would put weight on i wonder how much he would weigh i don't know because he's
got to cut a little
weight to get to 205. he's got to but i'm probably he probably walks around 220-ish
yeah something like
that probably yeah you think he fights at 205 yeah 15 pounds 15 pounds ain't
for a big guy like that
yeah i think maybe 200. i i he's a big guy yeah he's massive i mean chris at
his heaviest 225.
really yeah why did chris fight 205 when he fought dominic reyes i don't know i
i did he get
tired of cutting weight or what was that about possibly i mean he's had 25
something 24 surgeries
wow 24 yeah he's got a titanium plate in his neck right two i think he's had
two neck surgeries he's
got he's getting knee surgeries but the dude just looks he's just uh he's an
animal well it's mental
toughness yeah i mean i i figure if you wrestle at some point in your life or
especially doing as long as
he has that wrestling instills that mindset in you oh yeah well you think about
so many all-time
greats like we talked about randy couture before cain velasquez he's another
example a guy whose
mind was stronger than his joints like his body just started giving out his
shoulders back his knees
everything started giving out yeah but his mind was just impenetrable i mean
when that mental toughness
meets the actual physical limitations of your tissue that's the problem and
that's man because i know i
know that you know my knees ache every now and then but i mean even that it's
like yeah i get lower
back problem every now and then i feel like i'm about to die i can't imagine if
your whole body he's
had 24 surgeries yeah what else has he had knee surgeries he's got a knee thumb
sir he broke his thumb
i forgot how much fight it was he's got this scar that goes from here oh i mean
it's just enough
that was a long time for him to heal from that one right yeah but the guy i
mean it's funny because
he doesn't he doesn't move around like it does like he's he you know spent some
time with me for this
camp he's fighting this weekend and just felt better than he ever has well i
talked to al jermaine sterling
before sterling got his neck surgery because uh i had heard that he was getting
neck surgery and
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i've had bulging discs in my neck so i called him up and i said hey tell me
what you got going on i was
going to see if maybe i could send him to because he was getting his neck
surgery done in california i
said why don't you talk to my doctor maybe they could do regenicine on your
neck yeah or and stem
cells and maybe you could postpone it but apparently his disc was so fucked up
that they just had to
replace he he had he was atrophying one of his arms he was so pinched and this
and this was actually
before the fight with uh peter yan um and then when he got dumped on his head
in that fight in the first
round and then he got kneed in the head that illegal knee in the fourth round
he was fucked and from
then on he said he lost all strength in one of his arms um because the nerve
was pinched like he couldn't
activate his tricep it was pretty up that's what chris was complaining about
that too not be able to he
couldn't lift his arm above shoulder level yeah and it was just and of course
they're both wrestlers so
i mean al jermaine talked to uh weidman okay and that's one of the reasons why
he got the disc
done in his neck gotcha so they replace it yeah they put a an articulating
titanium disc in it go to
al jermaine sterling's instagram please he's got x-rays of his neck where you
can see this disc that's been
screwed into his neck they go in through the front too they cut the front of
your neck they
push everything out of the way they push the they just everything out and they
cut the bad disc out
they pull it out and they put this fake disc and eddie bravo has one of his
lower just easier access
to it i guess going through going through the front yeah i guess so that is in
al jermaine sterling's neck
now look at that it's like a rubber just a rubber uh sponge i guess in there no
no no it's all
titanium the whole thing is titanium so it sits that that thing on top sits in
like a divot and
it articulates and it's very strong and it guys those those spikes that go
through it they dig into
the bone so that has to anchor into the bone so the tissue has to grow around
those spikes and then
apparently he can do everything he can get guillotined he can wrestle he can do
all kinds of
shit and like i said eddie bravo has one in his lower back i have uh so many
discs in my back that
are like my my disc meat the uh the spongy part is starting to wow get pushed
away i know the older
you get too but still i mean obviously you're an athlete more than anything is
that what happened
with you yeah it's just been getting getting all the above just all the years
of like getting
shoved into we punched and kicked and this happening yeah and then you know you
fight off guillotines
and then you get stacked in your guard and then you know your back so all it's
called um
it's disc degeneration is what they call it but uh or stenosis and what's
happening is all those
discs are getting smaller and smaller and smaller until eventually they start
rubbing on each other
like there's nothing there with pat miletich this is how tough pat miletich is
he never got surgery
but his discs he had no more meat in between the bone and the bones fused
together on their own
so what he can't he can't even look he's like this yeah one of his arms doesn't
work right like
pat miletich he just just didn't do anything about it just dealt with the pain
and his bones just
fucking fusing to get like a like a tree growing around a mailbox just
so i feel like just one day he just needs to go like ah just to break
everything up you know what
i mean i don't think he can anymore i think it's fused together but i think
there was one fight that
he was going to do when he was older i think when he fought henzo gracie i
think that's who he fought
but pat someone had said that he had neck surgery and they wanted to make sure
that he was still okay
to fight after neck surgery he's like hey i never had any fucking neck surgery
like i didn't have neck
surgery and so there was a rumor going so he had to get a bunch of different mris
and tests done so
that they could determine whether or not he had had neck surgery just because
his neck was so
fucked up they just assumed that he had surgery wow because that i think boss
rootin had that surgery
and he can't yo boss is messed up bad he has one arm that he calls baby arm
because his his nerves are
so shut off that one of his arms had atrophied so small that it's like it's a
he has a a regular
arm for his left his big ass bicep and his right arm is like really small where
he can't even hold up
a gallon of milk stop it boss rootin one of the greatest fucking martial
artists of all time
he picks up a bottle like a jug of milk and his arm is like i think it'd still
kill you though
he'd probably still fuck you up bro his legs are fine and not even close hand
just open hand slap
you open hand yeah because that's how they did it right they didn't they didn't
they didn't the
style pancrease but he won the heavyweight title too remember yeah and you know
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fought in the ufc
knocked out teoshi kosaka his neck was already fucked up by then because he had
been you know sparring
with rico rodriguez back when rico was in his prime and doing a lot of jujitsu
and he actually
his neck up though on sons of anarchy on the tv show that's what yeah yeah he
told me he was doing
a stunt scene and in a stunt scene you know you're you're doing this thing with
this fake fight and he
falls on his head and his neck gets jacked and then he had to get his discs fused
so he had a bunch of
discs fused in his neck and apparently it impinged upon the nerves and it
became even worse and he's had
multiple surgeries he had to go and get stem cells he's he's gone and got yeah
a bunch of different
treatments to try to deal with it and it's getting slowly better yeah and
stronger but over years and
years like when boss told me about this it was four or five years ago it's
still not nowhere near full
strength golly yeah it's just you know they're coming up with new stuff every
day it's just gonna
before long where you can just replace something well he could have done that
but that wasn't available for
him back yeah this artificial disc the first guy that i ever heard of is that
boss look at that
oh my like actual screws insane that's insane it's like actual like carpenter
screws so he has four
discs that are screwed together look look at that how i got like five discs how
nervous you got to be
just to go in and do something like that that is so crazy he's got five discs
screwed together wow
so his whole upper neck is just fused like look how they're they see those
bottom ones yeah there's no
space in between the bones wow they're all just smooshed together oh that's
crazy so that's why when
you see like a an older man they start shrinking and they start yeah back it's
like that that's what's
going on like you're losing all the space in your discs have you seen the what
is it like the y straps
what's a wash drop so it's like a chiropractic thing where they just
take your neck and oh and have you seen that i don't believe in chiropractors
i think chiropractors incorporate a lot of effective and legitimate physical
therapy techniques
but the idea of like cracking your neck and all that's this is chiropractic
ready
i just chiropractic my knuckles your knuckles it's just it's nonsense it just
looks like it feels so
good though there it is yeah right here that feels good though when they do
that and they pop the neck
oh but that the way to do it the real way to do it though is decompression yeah
you can hang it upside
down no you could pull those chin straps on and it hangs on a door like the the
top of a door yeah
and then you can literally allow your own body weight to relax your spine i
used to go to a
see i went to a chiropractor and this motherfucker for a year was telling
because i had a bulging disc
i knew something was wrong and it was like slowly getting worse and slowly
getting worse and i was
still doing jujitsu and he was like he's like no it's so you have like a muscle
pull i'm gonna
subjugate your c5 and they do this little back thing and twist you you're good
you're good and i was
not good it kept getting worse and this is how the guy told me that i didn't
have a bulging disc
he pushed on the top of my head he's like does that hurt i go no he's like then
you don't have a
bulging disc but he's not a doctor this is the thing when they say doctor of chiropractic
medicine
take a guess at how much time they spend in medical school
zero seconds you want me to say like zero seconds zero not a second they didn't
even walk in and then
leave they they're not a doctor the doctor of chiropractic medicine now chiropractic
medicine
was it invented by a guy who was a magnetic healer who came up with the idea of
chiropractic science
through a seance he was murdered by his son who was a con man and his son took
over the business
so the con man took over the 1800s wow so it's just one of those legacy things
it's been around for a
long time what yeah there's no like there's no real evidence that it works in
here watching this stuff
on you it feels great it looks like it feels good yeah it feels good when they
pop it but
as far as it being able to heal you from things no there's there's a lot of chiropractors
though
that are legit physical therapists and they incorporate a lot of deep tissue
massage and a lot of like
real physical therapy techniques that do work but the whole idea of chiropractic
medicine when they
first invented it was they're going to crack your back and fix blindness fix
leukemia if you go and
listen there's a great article called chiropractors are bullshit and it's by
this was that woman's name
that wrote that article she's been on the podcast i'm sorry i apologize to her
right now just my brain
is like an overused hard drive i don't have any space but it's a great article
because it details the
whole history of where chiropractors got started where the whole a lot of chiropractors
don't even know
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this like a lot of chiropractors they go to chiropractic school yeah and they
think they're
going to learn something that's really effective and works and some of it's the
placebo effect some
of it is just it feels good just just loosening muscles like you can break up
tissue with your elbow
that's why rolfing is legit right you're breaking up fascia and scar tissue and
it allows people to move
better and it can help them heal i love that getting those deep tissue massages
it's coming to you it's coming to you how do you say her last name she french
no well she's american
but she's awesome yeah but she's really funny too and and there the article is
great because the way
she writes it's like it's very abusive and but hilarious funny but it's called
chiropractors are
bullshit yeah like that's the the name of the article and when i remember
reading this all
i'm like motherfucker so anyway i wound up going to a real this before she said
this right i i was
having real i was like i got to go to a neck specialist i went to a neck
specialist there it is
that's the that's the article yeah how do you say that don you've had tremont
yeah yvette
done done tremont sorry vet but she's awesome but that article is excellent you
shouldn't trust him with
your spine or any other parts of your body but just you should read that it's a
great article so i i
knew something was wrong i just i felt like i was being bullshitted and every
time i'd go it was like
100 bucks i was like this is crazy so then i went to a legit spine specialist
he's like you have a
bulging disc he's like here it is he shows me the mri it's like see how it's
pushing against your nerve
that's why you have elbow pain that's why your fingers are going numb he's like
yeah well we can
use decompression therapy that'll help you and they they put you in this
harness and then you lie
on a table you find some relief yeah like slowly decompress but it was in santa
monica and with
traffic it was like a a hour and a half to get there it was annoying so then i
got they wouldn't
let you take something home oh you got one i got one of those things off amazon
you ever seen those
things it sits on the top of a door dude they're great and you pull it like
this click click click
click click and it's like you're kind of hanging from it and it just loosens
your neck and decompresses
but then i got regenikine and regenikine is like an advanced form of platelet-rich
plasma and i knew
that um peyton manning had gone to germany for that and kobe bryant did it and
you had to go out of
state to do that i used to go to germany germany you used to have to go to germany
but i got very
fortunate in that as when i was dealing with my injury they had set up a place
in santa monica so you
go there and i did that and within two weeks i had no pain it's still there it's
lifestyle medicine
and this is legit like this isn't nonsense like i went and got an mri
afterwards there's no more
bulging disc it relaxed and it it reduces it's it's what it is is they take
your blood they spin it in
a centrifuge we've talked about how this works before i don't remember the
exact process of see if you pull
up what regenikine does but shout out to my man dr ben ruhi he's taking care of
me with a bunch of
different his name's moshe ben ruhi his uh he's taking care of me with a bunch
of different injuries
with regenikine and then later on with biologics like stem cells and stuff like
but they healed my neck
like all the problems in my neck went away it took a while but i did it smart
it took many months of no
no yanking on my neck no guillotines no nothing no craziness and now i have
zero problem really
so did you i mean is this something you have to kind of keep going back and
doing you do if you injure it
again but one of the things that i also incorporated is a machine called the
iron neck have you ever seen
that yes yes that's amazing really that strengthened my neck tremendous one
thing i'm constantly i got
this giraffe neck right so every everybody's wanting to just guillotine oh yeah
next thing you know walk
around the next two weeks okay so here it goes how does is dr peter welling is
the guy who uh invented it
the uh treated uh regenikine serum holds up to 10 000 times the normal
concentration of anti-inflammatory
protein this protein known as interleukin one receptor antagonist uh blocks the
inflammation
causing counterpart interleukin one dr christopher evans director of the
rehabilitation medical center
medicine center in the mayo clinic explained it this way the bad interleukin
interleukin one combines
with a specific receptor on the surface of the cell the response to it it docks
there and after that all
sorts of bad things happen the good interleukin continued evans is inter is the
interleukin one
receptor antagonist material this blocks the cell's receptor the cell doesn't
see the interleukin one
because it's blocked and therefore bad things don't happen uh it's the thought
that the il-1 ra may
also counteract the substance that lead to cartilage and issues breakdown and
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artheo uh tissue breakdown
and uh osteoarthritis wow so it is it says does is regenerating effective i can
tell you it's and he is
the and he is the founder he's pretty much dr peter welling got you and he's
the guy that's in germany and
most of these guys like kobe bryant and even dana white went over there for his
tinnitus he has tinnitus in
his knee but it's it's great for arthritis it's great for people with uh back
issues knee issues
disc issues anything that involves inflammation so for me the disc and all the
the tightness and the
inflammation once i got the regena keen treatment it all relaxed and the disc
tissue went back in
but doctors were telling me to get surgery they were telling me that they could
cut that piece of disc
out yeah and then and this doctor doctor ben rue he said well listen let's try
this first well was
this something i'm pretty sure yeah so they're fairly new okay because a lot of
these doctors
they studied these techniques decades ago right and it's they're effective they
can't help you because
that cut that disc material out yeah but that disc material is important that's
cushioning that keeps
your your discs healthy so through this technique it reduced the um the the
inflammation in the area and
then the disc material went back in through so through spinal decompression
therapy and through regena keen
and then through this this kind of therapy they just inject it yeah wow it's
pretty gnarly there's
images on my instagram of me getting it in my back i've had it done like five
times wow i've had
it done in my mid back my lower back my neck just because it makes you feel
great in germany every
time no santa monica i did it all done in santa monica lifestyle medicine in santa
monica how
uncomfortable is that needle going into your back was in the muscle or was it
actually in oh it's in the
juice baby stop it yeah there's that makes me cringe images of it ah yeah we
can see all these little
needles in my back there it is that's what it looks like yeah and who puts that
in he does the doctor
does and then uh they they shoot it in there so i had issues in the mid back my
lower back my neck and
after a while i was like every time shit was going wrong i just go in there and
get it done and then
it would feel better wow and they do this from your own blood or just your own
blood yeah they just
take your blood out it's like a 10-hour process and then you go back like the
next day and then they
they would do it so i was trying to get al germain to look at that but
apparently he was so far gone
even dr ben rue he was like he really should get the surgery i just already
made it a point like
it's inevitable in about 20 years i'll probably need new knees new hips how are
your hips my hips
are great kicking really no problems at all so yeah i've never had any problems
with my hips yeah i
don't have any problems at all i know my dad does a little bit so i don't know
if it's something that
he had injured years ago or i don't know well one of the things that i've
incorporated recently i don't
know if you ever heard of this i've talked about this guy so much he's gonna
there's people gonna
think i'm working with him but this is knees over or like in business with him
knees over toes guy do you
know who that guy is on instagram i've heard of him yes he's got this whole
protocol strengthening your
knees strengthening your hip flexors and strengthening like all of the connective
tissue everything that
stabilizes your knees joints and it's made a giant difference for me in knee
pain and just my knee
feels stronger it just feels strong and i've only been doing it a few months
like it hasn't been a long
time and i'm dedicated to it i do it every week now i still do my physical
therapy that i've that i've
been doing just to keep my knees strong because i know guys are going to try
and take them out you
know what i mean yeah well there's look when a guy like you with your mobility
is such a huge part
of your game they're going to always going to try to do that yeah but they can
replace knees now man
it's kind of crazy they can resurface knees that's a rough surgery you could
but you could throw kicks
again and you have no pain it's just like these two crazy composite materials
together that are on the
surface of your knees yeah man you can run you can throw kicks you can do all
kinds of
shit you get heel hooked and you don't feel it
you'd feel it in the ligaments i guess i mean what's the what's the uh the law
on having a
new knee and fighting you can have a new knee and fight really just like you
can have a new neck and
fight yeah there's a lot of guys who have been chris has a titanium disc in his
neck and he's the one
who told al jermaine but i know um guys well brolio estima was the first guy
that i ever heard of the
jujitsu guy brolio was the first guy i ever heard to get one in his neck and
his he had a bad bulging
disc in his neck and won the worlds with it like wow that's what a beast that
dude is golly and then
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those dudes are just jacked yeah you see some of those kids yeah they're all by
the end of like when
they get in their 40s and they're all their backs are all fucked up all of them
everyone's like 40s huh
they're all walking out like this they're getting out of bed like this the one
the one time or any
time i get injured it's not sparring not doing jiu-jitsu it's wrestling oh yeah
guys just snap
that's the hardest that's the hardest shit jacked man it's a crazy getting
picked up and slams oh my
god yeah that is the hardest sport there is in terms of like physical output
mental toughness just
listening to these kids at the ncaa is doing their interviews just hard did you
see jordan burroughs
versus kyle dake yes kyle dake is a monster and that was his every time he's
gone up against this
dude he's lost yep and um i think he dry humped him didn't he or teabagged him
or something didn't he
yes there was a there was a teabag moment well it's because jordan was trying
to take him down and
kyle's defending the takedown and that's apparently a legitimate technique is
to bob up and down the dude's
neck so he wouldn't do it like well yeah it's like because it's super
uncomfortable for when you're
driving in this guy's like jumping up and down and squatting on your head see
if you can find that as
as fun shout out to jordan burroughs because i love that guy yeah i know he's
awesome you've had him on
here i've had he's a brilliant guy really really interesting guy and specimen
yeah just look at him
so is kyle dake there's also some great videos of kyle dake working out and
doing like this really odd
strength and conditioning routine that he does online with this guy who used to
work with jeremy
stevens he was google kyle dake fun we don't need to see the teabag respect
respect to jordan no need
to see the teabag google kyle dake um what is it called functional patterns
that's this is the guy's uh
workout he's a really interesting uh strength and conditioning coach look how
shredded this dude he lost some
weight man so i've seen this right here yeah like core development and stuff
they do a lot of stuff
like you know real similar to a lot well it's not as much plyometrics but the
idea is
they're doing a lot of like weird movements that are applicable like a lot of
big kettlebell swings
and jumps like see how he's doing these things where he's jumping and twisting
it reminds me a little bit of some of the stuff that nick kurson is doing and
some of these other uh
like really innovative strength and conditioning trainers like look at this wow
like really wild
stuff right where he's doing these explosive movements off his back with a
medicine ball jumping
up in the air and then slamming that medicine who is this guy the guy's name is
i'm trying i remember his
program called what's called functional patterns does it say his name i
remember that um jeremy stephens
worked out with him and brought it up what did he say he loved it yeah he loved
it he loved the idea
behind it and he said it was very very effective for him very applicable for mma
training how much
strength and conditioning work do you do right now i'm doing uh twice a week
twice a week twice a week
what does it entail oh my goodness is i go through different different weeks so
as of right now i'm
i'm trying to get this guy's got me stronger but not getting any weight which
is how is that possible
exactly i don't even know the science behind it but there are weeks where i'm
doing like um
where i am kind of bulking right and then i do a week where it's more a cardio
base where i'm kind of
i'm not really i'm kind of shedding uh that muscle down i guess so you're not i'm
not too big
uh a lot of cardio involved a lot of body weight stuff i don't do any olympic
lifts or anything like
that you're just begging for injury yeah doing that kind of stuff but i'm
loving it man i i can't
believe the and i found out about this guy through my buddy carl reed who's one
was one of our fighters
he's been able to contender series a few times but and i saw how explosive this
guy's gotten how
strong he's got even though he's a bigger guy if i said 205 i kind of kind of
see how fast and how
explosive how strong and his cardio was on still on point he's like yeah man
working with this guy um
ryan uh josh reynolds well i said ryan reynolds yeah josh reynolds i was like i
gotta try this guy out
you know because the guy before that just kind of left a bad taste in my mouth
i was kind of doing my
own thing but i needed to get stronger if i was facing tiring again it's hard
when you find strength and
condition coaches are like really good or really bad yeah a hundred percent i
remember this guy we had
this one street against the guy and he just had so many problems man he had me
doing a lot of a lot
of olympic stuff had me doing a lot of uh road work and we had this guy over at
house i think it was
thanksgiving or something like that because the guy's family wasn't in town or
or he had just moved
down here and the guy was just a nutball he went through a whole bottle of my
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dad's crown oh no oh man i'm
talking like just crying oh no we got the whole family there bro oh no and it
was just like all
right uh we need to do something you know i had to we had to drive him home oh
no yeah oh no all the
emotions has been built up i don't know what it was just came out that day oh
no my man josh is awesome
this guy is awesome man he's he's i've seen a lot of um improvement working
with him especially when it
comes to just just keeping my body healthy um um i'm 38 i feel like i'm 25.
that's amazing um my
movement i feel like i'm getting better um especially with my striking and you
know wrestling and jiu-jitsu
even though you don't see it all well you looked fantastic against jeff neil
and jeff neil's super
talented man that i i getting this fight i wanted somebody in the top five for
the longest obviously but
you know it's funny because you know i was in their shoes at one point and johnny
hendricks gave
me that opportunity you know i wasn't even ranked i don't think when i faced
job maybe that was one
of my favorite fights of yours thank you because you you were on fire in that
fight you were on fire and
that was like to me that was like the perfect example of how difficult that
style is to handle and it was a
lead the preparing for him and no disrespect to him but it was obviously he had
good wrestling he had
that one hitter quitter type power but it was you've seen him fight once you've
seen him fight a hundred
times i feel and i'm going to say this no disrespect i feel like that power
went away when usada showed up
i can i can see yes and i there's a lot of people i know gsp had said something
he faced him in it when
you know he was fighting for the title there's two different versions of johnny
hendricks there's
johnny hendricks before there was real testing yeah and then there's later johnny
hendricks and it could
easily be given the benefit of the doubt that he got burnt out yeah i mean johnny
had been wrestling
since he was a kid and he was a monster when he was younger i mean he was a
monster when he's putting
people away he would knock guys out and they would go flying remember when he
knocked marvin campman
yeah yeah one hit just boom and he went flying i watched that over and over on
the oh john john
john fish same thing johnny hendricks at one point in time was one of the
scariest guys in the sport
and he was just a monster just a monster crazy wrestler super skilled and then
ridiculous one punch
knockout power yeah but then but there was no but even then like he fought the
exact same like
rory mcdonald was very difficult to prepare for he that was that was uh that
was my one of my
favorite fights just because just the whole preparation that's what makes it
fun for me
i like to try and break guys down and even there could be trying to adapt to a
guy mid-fight
that's what makes it fun for me you know what i'm saying so um breaking dudes
breaking guys down
you know trying to adapt to the if they're made any changes mid-fight is fun
but he was difficult
because he's good everywhere yeah he's got great striking good wrestling and
for some reason it was
funny because i had a hunch he's going to try for some imanari rolls really
yeah i had a hunch man
so because you know i met ryan hall out in montreal training at tristar and i
know he was a he's a big fan
of that right he does it all the time and i've done some work with him um and
he was actually neutral
for that fight he didn't train with any one of us and then i watched a
grappling match he had
it was like a pretty it was a few months before the fight i think and he was
going for him all the
time he's going for those hill hooks and i was like he's going to try and he's
going to try to get
me out there as quick as possible he's going to try and make a statement
because i know he was that
was his last fight on the contract and i we worked it over and over and over
again in the gym and he
went for like several times three or four times during the fight but he just
knew i knew it was
coming i knew it was coming when ryan hall pulled that off on bj penn i was
like holy dude and he does
that in the gym all the time he you know i see it all the time now but it's he's
gotten so good with
his striking i'm like i'm like yes right he's a fascinating character i love i
really want to talk to
that guy i want to get him in get him he's a wizard have you heard him on lex
friedman's podcast no i
haven't it's excellent really really good very intelligent guy super
intelligent maybe a little
too smart yeah uh some of the things like he'll sit there and explain stuff to
me and he's like right
i'm like huh yeah okay i'll just nod my head like i know one of those guys that's
so smart he blinks a
lot when he's talking like his brain is going like going a thousand miles an
hour and he's like trying
to water it down yeah cool it off he's the perfect example of just he looks
like a nerd yeah but he's
right he will kill he is there's something sinister behind those eyes of ryan's
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i'm serious i've seen
him yeah i've seen him in just uh i'm gonna kill you mode i remember montreal
he was doing a uh he was
doing a seminar while he was there and some young buck he's out there just i
don't know if he's just
trying to embarrass him or what but he was going hard he was trying for that he
was trying to heel hook
ryan hard i think he was coming from another gym maybe and i saw ryan grabbing
by his head
grabbing by his leg and he had his knees in this guy's face and he's just just
driving that knee
in and there was i was just i couldn't help but laugh like this dude he doesn't
look like it he's
looking he's the sweetest guy ever but he has got some sinister stuff behind
his eyes if you're going
to compete in mma in the ufc you must have at least a door that you can open to
let the devil out
it's i don't know why like my dad it ups i think it upsets him that you're so
nice and i'm just like
this all the time you know i walk out with a smile on my face yeah i'll high
five you when you were
teeing off on johnny hendrix there was some evil in your eyes yeah there was
yeah there's people don't
see it but you know i see it yeah i'm smiling at you but it's like a the way
you're landing combinations
i mean you have to be vicious to do that you know there's there's no other way
it's funny because guys are
like man you know you're not as good anymore because you don't knock people out
i'm like man
who are you you're fighting the top of the food chain yeah there's levels to
this thing like who
says that to you you get people say fans all the time you know these guys on
social media you should
have done this you should have done that you can't read that oh i know i do it
but i laugh at it you
know yeah i'll even comment back just like oh thanks man thanks a lot i'll keep
that in mind next
time the jeff neil fight had to be particularly satisfying though because jeff
neil was he's a real
destroyer i mean the way he knocked out mike perry the way i mean he's so slick
yeah so intelligent in
there like his his knowing when to move when not like when when the opening's
there and his reads so
good and that's why that's one of the reasons why i liked i liked that fight
and i love the vicente luque
these guys are hard to draw out of their that they're hard to draw out they're
they're they're
keep they're so disciplined to their positioning it's and for my style that's
my goal yeah i want to
draw you out right you know draw your counter out so i can counter that you
know faints and these guys
were on point all the time and to find uh those openings in that fight you know
it was fun for
was was i had a great time i had a blast out there with it but especially the
vicente fight number one
people didn't think i had a chin anymore because i got knocked up by anthony
that was the fight after
and i remember getting headbutted in the first round i couldn't see it on my
left eye the whole
first and second round really of that fight and it was a headbutt he was coming
this way with the hook
and i was moving away and then we boom we just clashed heads right on the
temple and i couldn't see i
i was like i got hit and i kind of went like this and it looked like he he didn't
hit me with anything
you know but it was uh but a skull but there were some flurries there and i
couldn't see man i was
like backing up i was moving and uh i just had to stay calm and and try and
find my shots but then
it was like i got in a flow state and sometimes when you're when you're out
there i try and find
that flow state every time i step out in the cage or even in sparring i try and
get in the flow state
where i'm not thinking it's more reaction but it's just things feel right my
reactions are on point
um and uh i just got there it was it was probably the middle of the second
round
i just found my range i found i knew exactly when he was going to throw a punch
so uh uh you know the timing was right and i had broken my hands in that fight
both of them
really yeah first round i think really both of them he's got the hardest head i've
hit i've hit guys
with half of what i hit him with and they've gone down i mean you saw tyron
woodley he's one of the
hardest hitters he staggered him and how fast did he recover like that just
blah yeah and then he hit
tyron tyron couldn't recover yeah but the dude tyron was too anxious yeah it's
like tyron losing
all those rounds in a row i mean tyron had lost every single round i mean
imagine being tyron you go
from being in my opinion still erase his last fights he's one of the greatest
welterweight champions of all
time you know beat you beat damian maya beat he's just like knocked out robbie
lawler for the title he
was a killer a fucking killer tyron's a killer and then loses every round usman
smokes him just just
dominates him gilbert fucked him up colby fucked him up and it's like jesus i
know i was rooting for him
for those fights too like every one of them because we you know when you share
something like that and
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with somebody it's it's almost like an intimate uh experience when you have you
fight somebody and
you're going through that experience with each other even though you're
fighting each other
it's like you know i want this guy to win yeah i want this guy but the last one
is like
i don't know that was the first time at his last three or four fights you just
felt like i just felt
like it wasn't there well i felt like he had you know he brought antonio mckee
into his camp who's
really good at resurrecting guys dean thomas is there who knows him inside and
out and i know
he trained real hard for that fight and i felt like if if if it if the bomb
lands he could still
take people out and he did hurt him at one point in time but then he just got
wild yeah he got wild
and luke just stayed poised and calm and found his spot vicente's got a uh a
check left hook like no
other he's got some great hooks and he was hit me i had him hurt and he was
still throwing bombs he's
getting better too yes that's the thing about luke yeah and he's so he's so
durable he's so tough that's
the thing like uh after that fight looking at him like bro you know i hit him
with some shots man
over and over and over again he was like he had continue you know he just bumps
all in his head
i was like how could you take that and still and still have a good conversation
with somebody but
he does yeah i think it literally has something to do with him having a big
head he's got a he's got
a big melon well you think about guys like mark hunt giant head takes an
incredible shot you know
some of the best like the guys that took shots better than anybody have big
heads it makes sense
yeah but vicente is also just the the fact that he stays composed it's his mind
too it's not just
the size of his skull or the ability to take a shot so disciplined yeah his
mind he's getting better
too yes and he's only 30. you know i mean i'm pretty sure vicente luke look up
his i'm 99 sure he's
30 years old i think that's one of the reasons why everybody's like all right i
don't know maybe the
ufc's not betting on your fans 29 29 29 he's not even 30 yet not even 30 that's
crazy i didn't get in
the ufc until i was 28. wow came in late man 10 years ago isn't that nuts that's
crazy i remember
who was it eril hawani called me a vet and i kind of got low-key pissed because
i was thinking he was
calling me old he's like no you've just been in the game for a while because
when i think of a vet i
think somebody's just old you really is that what you think i think it's just
like an old guy well i
call kamaru usman a vet yeah i mean for sure in the gilbert burns fight that
was veteran
when he just weathered that storm of that first round and then by the end of
the first round was
winning yeah you know and then fucked him up in the second and his striking is
getting better man
oh my god much better getting better that fight this weekend is very
interesting though you know
i watched the first fight again the other day yeah and i'm gonna tell you
something man masvidal
was all over him in that first round and that was last minute correct six days
notice he stuffed
what 11 of his takedowns which is unheard of with uzman yeah but more
importantly was not in
condition no was not prepared for a fight like that they offered it to him he
took it he went
there six days notice and i'm i mean that first round he looked very good he
only won that one
round yeah that's one that's what's important in the fight because uzman made
adjustments another
thing that's important to note is that uzman apparently had shattered his nose
two weeks before
that fight wow yeah so his nose was fucked because after the fight you know
they they you know had him
checked out he had a broken nose and he was like my nose was already broken
like his nose was
fucked up two weeks before the fight yeah yeah the thing about uzman man is
that he he
some people say he's boring you know boring fighter i think he's great i think
he's a great wasn't
boring that gilbert burns oh no he wasn't i think he's great man he's he
presses the fight he's got
cardio for days and a guy that looks has that kind of physique i know it
shouldn't have that kind of
cardio and he's got he's just i think he's great i think he's got charisma man
his his striking's
getting better he freaking knocked out colby covington tko'd and broke his jaw
and that he
beat burns with a jab anybody who says he's boring is an idiot you get poked in
the eye just poke yourself
in the eye i mean you got to be an idiot to think that guy's boring that's
crazy look he did what he had
to do to win the masvidal fight but if you take any consideration the fact that
he had a broken nose
going into the fight and you're taking into consideration the fact that masvidal
is you
know you fought him he's game good he's game and he's clever and he's
experienced and he's a real
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vet yeah masvidal's a real vet that's that that's a somebody that who you
cannot break this guy's will
in a fight no i've seen it i've broken guys wills and in there in a fight when
a guy like that
who comes out just as hard in the last round as he does in the first and still
has got power and still is
just just a savage just want just want to rip your head off that's a scary dude
you hit him and just
like he smiles at you yeah and you normally when guys do that they're hurt
right but this guy you
know that's just he's just a g man he's slick and i like him because he's he is
who he is he is not
faking nobody he's not trying to be somebody he's not i love when he dresses
like tony montana
he's got the the whole suit get up when i talked to him here one of my favorite
moments on the
podcast with him here was when uh i asked him i said well i go the question is
uh can ben asker
and get a hold of you he goes he can get a hold of these nuts dude that guy boy
that's why i love
i love that guy and it was funny i was in singapore me and him both were there
for as guest fighters and
that's when that's where we made that fight happen oh we had planned it out
there he was one to work
his way up and i just lost the tire and so the second time so i was like let's
make it happen man
and uh he's i think what's changed from him i wouldn't say so much his style
but his mindset
yeah he talked about that the resurrection yeah well you know what had happened
he went on a reality
show do you know the story i i think so yeah and did was it the preparation or
was it no he talked
about that on this podcast too he went on this reality show and it was a
fucking nightmare and he
was it was like in the jungle in this reality show like he had to like go into
villages try to get food
it was it's crazy it was a south american reality show and apparently he was
there for a long
ass time and he had no contact with the outside world it was a disaster hated
the show but it gave
him a lot of chance to think about his life about where he was and then what
his future is going to
be and realized that maybe some things have been holding him back and one thing
that had been
holding him back was he was trying not to lose versus trying to win and that he
was a little bit
worried about his condition because maybe he didn't train enough maybe didn't
prepare correctly
and then he just decided look i'm gonna go for it yeah so here he is i mean mazvidal's
got to be
your age right yeah probably 38 he's in the range i think he's a little bit it
might be a little bit
younger 36 something like that one of the most popular guys in the usc said he
was going to do it
he's there yeah fight for the title twice but just think about what he did
after that think about his
fight like the fight with nate diaz holy how about the knockout of taron till
yeah the darren till knockout
was crazy and he him getting knocked down early in that fight he got knocked
down comes back with
that oh my goodness yeah and and k-o'd him in the most vicious fashion and and
the way he did it too
where he set it up that switch where he stepped in and throws the left hook
well he grabbed his front
hand i don't know if you saw that grabbed his front hand pulls it down and hits
it with a left
yep yeah that's what oh so so smooth so well he's so clever he's clever like
the knockout of ben
askrin like people think oh he just ran at him and threw a flying knee no no no
no he went to the
side yeah and then he came out angle change man and he went at him also so askrin
has to follow him
which even more activates askrin's natural desire to grab you yeah right i mean
he showed him planning
for it he went to the side where asking askrin shoots yeah i mean went to the
side and then boom the
whole lead up to that it was awesome oh my god him just incredible yeah you
know just looking like a
freaking g and then he steps off and that photo of him in midair landing that
knee to ben's face
jack you see his oh yeah angry look in his face that's one of the classic all-time
mma photos see if
you can find that photo and then him saying was that necessary to hit him super
necessary super
necessary yeah super necessary well not only that he like as ben is out cold
after he punches he's
talking to him and slapping the table like i told you yeah praising and what's
good about him is that
he can cut he can throw something like obviously there it is wow that's that
one in the middle is
the one i'm talking about the one up yeah look at that that is a classic mma
photo up in the middle
the middle of the impact look at his face he's so angry i was there i was there
saying case anyone
after that fight i went up and congratulated was like man say thank you bro i
was like we need to
make this fight happen we need to do it again that was crazy he became a
superstar that night that's
right been at the two two knockouts crazy knockouts back to back yep and now he
has another chance at
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usman with a full camp and i think super interested on paper it's like all
right how do you choose
against somebody who's been so dominant in the welto division against usman but
then you get this guy out
there who can just out of nowhere just do out of you know a thought in his head
hit you with a spin
something or a flying knee or he's so creative and i'm interested intelligent i
would never count usman
out i think usman is one of the most mentally he's one of the strongest guys
that have ever seen compete
his mind you just you never see a weakness from him you know he's just he's so
strong and when he
dominated tyron like that to win the belt this is first shot at the title no
nerves at all just full
dominance just went at him just controlled him smashed him just beat him up
almost tried to take
him out at one point in time and emptied the gas tank and realized like jesus
tyron's still here
we talked about it on the podcast too i'm like how tired you were he's like bro
i was so tired
he didn't show it he didn't show it i could see it a little bit but i was right
next to him you
know i was right there watching it i feel like you know it's like that because
i see chris do that he
tries to break people that's his goal and they don't want to beat you he wants
to break you yeah
that's what it is kane velasquez used to always do that to people break break
you i don't care how
tired i get you're going to get tired first and that's why like when i spar
with him that's what
he tries to do he tries to break you i'm not like the first time we sparred i'm
coming in one set
you know he's looking at me at this 170 pound guy he tells me the story all the
time you didn't have
this guy he's he's such a real funny guy chris and um yeah i think roy mcdonald
was up there
and was low kicking roy just just i mean he would send his sparring partners
home you know packed
their bags and just send them home yeah so i'm in there and he's just like what's
this guy gonna teach
me so he's literally trying to make me quit just rocking he was keeping the
lights at the head but he was
just ripping bodies to the to you know ripping body shots taking me down and
then he was like
you get back up and you're bouncing just like you were in the first round as
you in the second he's
like after that first first sparring session is like i'm gonna bring i know i'm
gonna bring you back
every time so i was just trying not to get killed obviously you know smiling at
him talk about going
into the fire right don't have a background in wrestling and then you start
training with a guy like
weidman i mean there's that there's no middle ground there yeah you're just
going from nothing
to elite to straight extreme it was funny because it was don john daniher that
hooked that up he was
there with gsp when i would go up and train with gsp so he made that happen he
needed somebody to uh
and that's why i love this sport i've trained with so many freaking awesome
dudes uh i was up there
helping rashad evans get ready for lo to machida and of course he had nate marquard
there georgie gsp
cowboy uh brennan shaw when he was training there and i was just a kickboxer
pretty much you know i
wasn't even a mma fighter and then through him you know i was trained with lo
to machida anderson silva
spar with those guys and that was what i was like training with anderson
because when you train with
anderson he was in his prime right yeah he was that was the coolest thing ever
i did a few rounds with
him and he would go from a karate style to a muay thai style to just kind of go
back and forth that
talking about elite and elite and i'm just like at all i was afraid to even
close the gap on the guy
because next thing you know he fights like a karate guy but then he's got you
in the tie clinch and you
can't get out i know i know you know any way of getting out of a tie clinch
didn't work it was just
one of those like just to try and get out of it and hope he doesn't throw a
knee at the same time well
you remember the rich franklin fight oh yeah he he clamped to hold a rich and
rich just had no
couldn't answer no answer nothing yeah his forearms come down to here yeah on
me and what do i do
technique though it's so sharp beautiful so beautiful and he wasn't the fastest
guy but there was no
telegraph it was very he had very little tail it was just there no i'm gonna
you know a lot of guys do
that a lot of mma fighters you know they have you can see you can find their
tells right anderson was
one of those guys he didn't have when he front kicked veto in the face hotel no
it was there well
and he was looking down when he did it too like he was looking like he's gonna
kick him in the stomach
and then it went right up to the chin and that you know i had a conversation
with eddie bravo before
that there's actually a video of it where i had one of those bob dummies those
century dummies and he's
talking about front kicks he's like would you ever throw a front kick to the
face i'm like nah i don't
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think so it's like the timing would have to be perfect and then once anderson
did it everybody
everybody's throwing kicks to the face right up there i just feel like you
could be caught so easy
you know it seems like it it seems like it right but when anderson did it it
was just so picture
perfect and then lioto did it to tour randy jumping from his tooth went flying
out yeah it's like a flying
karate it was like the perfect karate thing ever it was crazy like a yeah a
spar with with lioto which was
cool it was pretty intimidating because i kept hitting him with the sidekick
and he's more traditional
so more round kick roundhouse kick front kicks no not a whole lot of angle
things and i was kept side
kicking and i could tell i was getting frustrated with it so afterwards i
showed him you know just a few
things you know scoop and moving you know get around the sidekick so the next
time we sparred i knew he
knew he knew how to get around the sidekicks i just showed him so i let him i
still want the one sidekicks i
let him work it a little bit you know i was while we were sparring and then i faked
the hook kick
i hit him with a hook kick and he got mad next thing it was a stand-up match
only but he tossed me
and grabbed me just went yeah oh he apologized after but he said i'm sorry man
i was like i didn't mean
to i might have hit him at i don't know if i hit him with my heel or whatever
but i don't throw hook
kicks in sparring anymore either because it's too hard to control it yeah and
guys can lean into it um i had broke a guy's orbital it was mike king he was on
the
um the show the ultimate fight ultimate fighter and uh end up breaking his
orbital with a hook kick
after that that's such a scary injury it is they had to go in behind your eye
and fix it and put a plate
back there yeah but i'm just like what's the the worst injury your knee the
left knee i would say is my knee
um was just taken years off because of it my hands took a year to recover
really yeah vicente luke and
then december the vicente luke was in the jeff neil fight you broke it again no
not the jeff
neil but it was a year later before i fought oh oh okay so it took me wow just
not even still today
i can't get this this finger to go down and it's painful like i wake up in the
morning my my fingers
up here like this right i mean you can see this one you know he's gonna suck in
yeah you can call
flyweight he he can't he can't close that finger no he said he's broken his
hand so many times broken
his fingers he makes a fist like this like there's no there's no closing it
like aim for the eye man
yeah i mean like literally yeah like his his fingers fuck forever and i
conditioned my hands the first
time i ever broke injured my hands so what do you do to condition your hands
maki really just punching
things what about so like grip strength i do grip i do a lot of rice stuff so
huh just rice grip more
form stuff you know what about like grippers like uh not really not really grippers
i do a lot of uh
just uh i'll do um my strength and conditioning coach anytime i'm doing pull-ups
or any pulling
motion i have wide grips that i'm using so it forces me to really have to use
my my grip to
strengthen it up in order to be able to do the things i need to do with
strength and conditioning
so i do that but i don't i haven't just sat there i don't think i have time
really to sit
there you do when you're driving yeah i have those captains of really yeah i
have 120 pound
one i just 120 pounds yeah freak i mean look at your forearm i can see you
through your shirt yeah but
that makes such a big difference i'm gonna have to get me one i believe in them
so much
yeah i believe in hand strength so much you have to have yeah it's so for jujitsu
it's
fucking so cripple but also just for protecting your hand like having muscle
around all the bones it
holds it all in place you know i just think um it's one of those things where
people overlook it but
you could work it while you're doing other stuff yeah like you could drive in
the car and just be
sitting there like this teaching classes so yeah i do my shin condition while i'm
teaching i'll just
being my ship you know captains of crush ever see those grippers yeah they're
the
shit because they get real heavy wow i think you can get see what you can get
it up to i think
get up to 150 pounds or more so i wonder who's i mean what professional arm
wrestlers maybe do the
i mean got to go up into those guys are so weird you ever see that one guy he's
got a one giant forearm
yes and the other arm's like normal tiny it's got to be who's had to been born
that way right no there
it is by numbers my dad used to have like a pair of those they go to 237 oh my
god it goes really
high oh my god they've been around forever right 365 pounds i feel like these
have been around i've seen
my dad use some of these maybe in like back in the freaking early 90s maybe
could be i don't know about
i don't know this company yeah this company i've only i've been using their
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stuff for years though
captains of crush they have they're if you scroll back up you take a look at
them you can see that's
that's the that's the that i use i love them yeah they go by numbers that that
uh that 365 is their
number four it's called seems like you have to be certified i think to like oh
that's hilarious to
order it yeah like it's not that that's to order it but like to show that you've
done it because
it's only a few people in the world i've ever done it scroll up a little bit so
i'm at so it says 100
and 140 i definitely have 140 but i thought i have 122 i might have from a
different company different
companies but i definitely have i have the 140 because i used to bring it to
the comedy store and
and the bouncers would try to squeeze it so like haha i feel i see like i for
some reason when i get on
stuff i go down these rabbit holes and one of these arm wrestling rabbit holes
i was just everything i
could get to just watch these guys do and how they train to do this stuff and
it's it's all technique
it's a lot of a lot of technique it's not actually pulling the hand down it's
or pushing the hand
out it's pulling the dumbest shit on that jake paul fight was the slap oh my
gosh that about rick
flair it was awesome yeah that's awesome no that's not dumb oh okay wait no he
was like the judge of
the slap fight oh that was great he was the judge that's the rick flair is
always great yeah that's
not the problem the problem is a guy sitting there letting a guy slap him in
the face that is how many
times you get knocked out right did you see the jake was it jake paul yeah that
was he this guy i guess
he had this guy for a hire he he hired i guess people hire him to slap him in
the face oh yeah
yeah there's a guy on instagram no it was logan paul that did it logan paul
cash or some shit like
that but i know yeah he got he like that guy up yeah he knocked him out yeah
talk about a guy who
needs to go mma wait a minute logan knocked the guy out yeah logan yeah see
this guy lets people slap
him in the face for money he was logan was gonna enter a uh a slap fighting
competition right so he
this guy put it out there i'm in my craigslist i don't know slapped me for
however much money
and logan slaps him and knocked this dude out so that might have been all set
up for that might have
been fake maybe for the video maybe for that video i don't know maybe but well
maybe set up for a video
or maybe they just reenacted it with the video like they made a conversation
like this is what we're
gonna do well i'm so this is the video okay or this is a good this is oh i've
seen this i saw this
yeah i saw this so the guy said it was like set up or something but of course
it's set up but you
still got KO'd yeah no that was 100 legit let's watch the video because there's
no way it was fake
that guy clearly got KO'd you can hear oh look at this logan paul 100 fake shut
up look at that face
watch this there's not a chance that was fake there's not a chance in hell he
slaps this dude so
hard look it's a big boy yeah watch this listen to this oh oh yo catch him
catch him catch that's
not fake not at all that's not fake 100 there's no when you here's here's a
little tip folks when guys
pretend they catch themselves when they fall yeah when you fall like that you
fucking face plant you're
out no one no it's just your instincts would save you yeah you would do this
like oh my god he got
he would fall to your knees first you know what i'm saying but even what you
wouldn't face plant yeah
when you your instincts are never going to be especially if you're not a stunt
guy you're not
a guy who does this all the time the way he went out that guy was out not only
that the impact of that
was crazy logan's a big kid did you see him wrestle uh yeah paulo costa yeah he's
good he's a good
wrestler why box you'd be you'd be more entertaining watching doing mma than
anything boxing i think it's
money you know there's a lot of money in those those crazy man but he only boxed
ksi the other guy who's
a youtube star like they both were youtube stars and they boxed each other
maybe ksi doesn't have a
wrestling background yeah but jake apparently is the more talented boxer that's
what i hear
he always talks about fighting his brother or something i don't know on
interviews yeah yeah i mean
maybe he knows he can his brother up but jake has some power that's that's real
power i don't give a
shit what anybody says the way he stepped forward and cracked askrin like that
oh yeah that's real
legit power i felt so bad for obviously i mean he did it for the money come on
come on ben you i don't i
think he knew he was not going to go out there and win this fight well jake
knew it too you know look
the guy's coming off of hip surgery he had a hip replacement ben askrin did he
looked definitely
looked like he wasn't in the best of shape yeah you know and it was never a
striker it was like it was
never his thing his thing was just like get close to you and grab you i'm
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pretty sure he even trained
from what i hear he didn't train striking before a fight he just wrestled that's
that's what i heard
that's so crazy yeah he didn't do any kind of striking training he just wrestled
he just looked so much
different physically than he did when he was in the olympics it's just so much
different than when
he was in the early stages of his mma career when he was fresh and young and
healthy he just looks
like physically spent yeah you know he was done wrestling does that too it
takes years off your
life i feel yeah years they're all the punishment these guys go through i mean
everyday grind yeah it's
just it's such a crazy sport i feel like i have to take a day off or day day or
two off after wrestling
training i don't even we don't even do live i don't even do live wrestling i
don't even live
wrestling because you take more situational stuff i mean i may start in on a
leg try to finish it
you know we'll do drills where we're you know we're working the you know
entering on the devil or
seeing all things like that but it's live stuff it's just you're too prone to
injury man yeah that's
what i think too i think i wonder about guys who get really in love with
wrestling and then they
start developing all these injuries and then they have to kind of work around
them and even in sparring
like i you know we have an amateur and pro team we all spar together i'll spar
kids who are 12 years
old you know all the way up to elite pro fighters and i i spar everybody the
same there's there's no egos
there's no you know and that's where a lot of these others you know gyms kind
of get in trouble with
guys like that you know you get trying to crush each other are you do you real
are you real careful
like when you're especially when you're in camp with guys you train with you
will you train with
anybody or do you only train with guys that are like known to be calm and keep
their together yeah
yeah i mean in the earlier days we've had we made some mistakes of just letting
anybody come in
and um you wind up in a fight yeah and i've had to do that you know lay people
out yeah we've got guys
come in from other gyms and they come in to spar with the general public of our
school and try and
take everybody out yeah and because you have those enforcers that you gotta
humble them up a little bit
but you know dad's like steven i remember those days it's crazy and i hate
doing it i'm like dojo has
those right those situations oh yeah my dad was in a i i missed i wish i was
around for those days it was
dojo wars yeah there was a time where my dad was a brown belt and i guess his
instructor was talking
crap about some taekwondo school in the area so uh the instructor and one of
their his best students
came over to my dad's school uh where he trained at and his instructor had just
come off a knee surgery
my dad had no idea why they were there so the instructor threw him under the
bus he's like i
can't fight you but he will like pointed at my dad you know my dad said he
looked over and saw him
pointing at me but i was like you know hey so and you can tell these taekwondo's
dudes they were just
like pissed you know just and this was knee surgery in the 70s yeah so they use
like hammers and
shit yeah so this guy might so my dad didn't come off a knee surgery his
instructor right so he couldn't
fight so he's like but that guy will fight you so my dad thought it was just a
friendly sparring match
my dad asked the guy if he needed any gear he's like oh we don't use gear he
could just tell in the
guy's face like all right this guy's gonna try and you know crush me and um so
my dad they're out there
sparring he said he knew it got real when the guy grabbed me by my headgear and
head butted me like
real hard just head boom and i was like all right next thing you know dad's
still trying to take a lie and the
guy sidekicks him and they had a stucco wall right sidekick him and just kept
psychic into the wall
until that that stucco wall kind of just kind of broke a little broke caved in
dad's like all right
he's like i gotta end this quick and my dad had this you know crappy dip foam
probably you know gear
back they had in the 70s and i don't know what they had and the guy came in
with a sidekick or a front
kick my dad parried and hit him with a ridge hand and we call him pop a ridge
hand you know for one of
these reasons and knocked cut the guy all the way across his face knocked him
out cold
and that what's what makes that that story funny was you have a small airport
in greenville south
carolina we're going through the airport and one of the guys there older fella
kind of a big dude you
know jacked he's like oh yeah well you're ray thompson's kid right yes sir you
know he's like
tell him tell him blah blah blah says hello i'm like all right so i'm back at
the karate school and told my
dad that what's his you know this guy said hello he's like oh man you know and
dad told me that story
you know uh you know years ago and he's like that was him they're like they're
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like best friends now
he comes over to the school all the time and when the guy's face gets red and
he's got like this
little line oh wow yeah from the scar yeah but the guy is awesome the guy is
such a nice guy
ridge hand is a crazy technique that you never see in mma no my dad's want me
to throw that ridge
hand really yeah you know who used to talk about the ridge hand all the time
charlie murphy
there's a hilarious moment that there's actually a photograph of charlie murphy
and i did a show
together and maurice smith and ivan salivary are there and uh we're all having
dinner and charlie
murphy who was really good at karate charlie murphy gets out he's talking about
the chicago ridge hand
he's got this technique that you know charlie was really good at karate he made
it chicago ridge
he was really good at throwing a ridge hand and he was saying like how come you
guys don't throw
ridge hands in mma and you know he's talking about ivan salivary and maurice smith
we're in seattle
and they're both like what the there it is right there what what yeah why don't
y'all throw this
guys so that's ivan salivary to the right and maurice smith is right next to
him in the white shirt
and he's talking about the chicago ridge hand look at charlie the thing is it's
like look at his eyes
i know charlie was the best the ridge hand man oh man it is it is underestimated
it really is
oh yeah i got seen it's a legit technique and you don't really i mean my dad
would hit dudes in the
head with it okay he he'd condition his hand if you don't condition your hands
i recommend not doing it
but you know the neck area you know yeah you knock dudes out i mean coming from
up underneath the guy's
trying to shoot you still we'll think about how many guys have been ko'd on the
ground by hammer
fists yeah right and then think like you can't really it's hard to to do a chop
chop but like
this not that hard right it's like throwing a hook and sometimes guys get ko'd
with a ridge hand
accidentally right because a guy will throw a hook with a straight arm and he'll
catch him with the
side of the hand with a closed fist and ko that happens all the time i don't
see why people don't do
i mean open hand slaps like using the palm right oh i i feel like when i hit a
mitt i hit harder with
an open hand than i do a hook well you know bryce mitchell you know thug nasty
bryce mitchell
is a wicked jujitsu guy awesome fighter he actually sent me a message recently
because i was talking about
how good trevor whitmore's uh trevor whitman's um gloves are you know trevor
whitman has that company
uh onyx they make incredible gloves his gloves are the and he made a better mma
glove
his mma gloves are fantastic and the ufc
was doing something to try to work out a deal with trevor to buy his gloves but
apparently it never came
to fruition yeah one of the things that i said what i love about the glove is
that it's curved
constantly so when your hand goes in it it's curved it makes you have to kind
of keep yeah so you can't
right in the ufc gloves they kind of make your hand come open but uh bryce was
saying you know what
the problem with that is when you break your hand he goes i want to be able to
still slap a guy and he
goes if it's constantly curved like that and then slapping is out of the
question like if you can't
open it but i guess you could still you can open it i've had i've had trevor's
gloves on you can
open them but they naturally want to close your hand so when you relax your
hand it all next goes
back to that yeah when you relax your hand your hands like this instead of the
ufc gloves which
you're kind of trying to extend your hand you're just still going to get poked
in the eye with that
i think that's true yeah it's uh i was just super impressed i'm super impressed
with bryce
mitchell too man that kid is something he's something his his jiu-jitsu is off
the chart yeah we got
it was a chase hooper coming in it back in again and that kid's a little wizard
too nasty on the
ground he reminds me of uh ryan he reminds me about ryan hall just looked like
a little kid
and he's 21 21 in the ufc he got kind of bummed out because i was talking about
his striking in his
last fight but yeah yeah he's like man i was like i like those guys and they're
shitting on me because
me and dc were talking about striking yeah but it's purely because i don't want
him to get hurt yeah because
when i see him i see the level of jiu-jitsu that he has is so high it's so good
his ground game is so
nasty so good at controlling guys but i worry about him at a young age taking
on someone who's nasty yeah
who's got really good striking it's just like the gap between is you know some
guys they're like jiu-jitsu's
here and then their striking's here it's like a little bit better but his the
gap is so big his jiu-jitsu is
so much better than striking i agree and then and he's 145 i don't know how
long he's going to be
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at 145 because he's still growing he's so long and he's tall he's like 6'1 yeah
and i know he's got
longer reach than i was like i'm sitting in sparring i was like why how are
people touching you they
should never get in they should never be getting in on you he's just learning
yeah he is he's still
young and so green when it comes to the striking as well imagine if he's in
there against like a real
elite striker who finds that chin you know and that's the thing he needs to
move up
at a certain rate i don't think he needs to be thrown out there with you got to
be careful with
the ufc because they don't give a they don't like hey chase we got a fight for
you yeah hey you know
next thing you know they'll they'll try you yeah with me i mean my first fight
you know still learning
the wrestling and they throw me with matt brown but but i wouldn't be your 57
and 0 as a kickboxer
you were one of the elite strikers in the sport yeah it's a different thing
yeah and he's yeah he's
been doing jujitsu but strictly jujitsu i don't know how how long he's been
doing the striking thing but
if he can use that especially the style that we have ryan's done very well with
it yeah you know i
didn't expect him to start throwing hook kicks out there crazy yeah dude let's
go man he throws so many
kicks and yeah and the thing is he's not worried at all about you taking him
down not at all so he'll
throw head kicks all day long i mean i know i'm physically stronger than this
guy ryan i know i'm
more athletic than him his jiu-jitsu is so good so good just it's it's like
levels of jujitsu are so
interesting because you see a guy who's a black belt who's really good and then
you see him roll with an
elite black belt you're like wow yeah what the man that's crazy it's like and
with him it's like you
know he's doing the things you're not supposed to do like when you first
started just you're not
supposed to do this you're not supposed to turn your back he's doing all of
that yeah and he's doing
everything you're not supposed to do and still finishing you well one of the
beautiful things
about the sport is we haven't even begun to see what's possible the elite of
the elite of today will
not be as good as the elite of the elite of tomorrow they're getting better and
you there's not a sport
other than mma where you can go to 1993 and then you go to 2021 and see that it's
unrecognizable yeah
it's crazy how much better guys are today the day where you got those guys that
are like has the
izzy adesanya striking you got the chris ryman wrestling and you have the
ryan hall jiu-jitsu all in one all in one yeah that's crazy crazy thing is
i feel like in order to get to that level you would have to start maybe maybe
have to start getting
into the maybe fighting for the ufc later on yeah when i did because you when
you're 21 you're still
learning yeah right and i think that's one of the reasons why i've survived so
long in this game
because i had that time to develop yeah you had so much timing and experience
and so much so much just
combat sports experience where you were used to competing yeah that's big and
also look at daniel
cormier how good he did in mma but it was also how much time did he have in
wrestling yeah that's
combat sport experience it might not be striking but it's still combat sport
experience it's learning
how to compete so by the time he got into mma he was already dominating people
i mean when he dominated
josh barnett as a heavyweight i loved him josh barnett and slams him and throws
him around and
strike force won the heavyweight ground pre i loved him in that man i still
love dc i love that guy i
love him to death that and that's something that we we try and do with our
amateur fighters and if
they want to fight mma we want you to fight a few kickboxing fights first so
you get used to the crowd
you get used to the good the nerves you get used you know you got some gems
that just throw them out
there you know it's not smart it's not you you know it's interesting the
difference between the way
boxing handles contenders versus the way mma does because look a guy like john
jones who fought uh
shogun for the title at 22 years old it turned out john is one of the greatest
athletes the sports
ever seen just turns out but in boxing they would have built him up slow before
a title shot yeah
he would have you know unless he's a mike tyson who's just smoking everybody in
front of him and then
finally 18. yeah he gets to trevor burbick and they're like yeah he's ready he's
20. you know but
he was a really unusual case right but with boxing generally you're given a guy
who tests you a little
bit and then there's a guy who tests you a little more and there's a guy who
tests you a little more
and like let's see how he does with the guy who can move good let's see how it
does the guy who's an
inside fighter and the trainers and the managers will try to figure out your
career and then ideally
get you to the title as an undefeated prospect yeah that's what they want in mma
you get a late call
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you know sean shelby calls you up hey what are you doing tomorrow yeah we need
you here man let's go
make 170 tomorrow i think that's like in the when you're first starting in the
ufc that's how it was
like especially like for me i feel like the fights they give you you got you
need to take them you
have to take them and then once you get to the point to where like the the jake
ellenberger and
the hendrix after that i was able to kind of make some kind of they they gave
me two or three fighters
all right what do you think about these guys and i can kind of choose right the
jake ellenberger fight
i always wanted to ask you about this because jake ellenberger leading up to
that fight was talking
shit about spinning techniques is that why you hit him with a wheel kick you
know what i want to say yes
i really want to say yes but it was one of those things where i was so you know
when i'm out there
i don't think of anything you know it's just reaction but i do hear my coaches
and i hear my
opponent's coaches so it made it a little bit easier not having an audience but
my last fight i i tune
into both yeah that had to be weird right yeah that was weird that but i it was
kind of easy at the same
time like i i could they were they were saying things hey him i'm up i could
hear i could hear
what you're saying right there you know what i'm saying you know i know what
you're going to do i'm
all right i'm ready right you know it was so weird but uh i mean he didn't
fight him tuned in but my
dad said spin i knew exactly wow he said spin you can hear it do you think your
dad said it because your
dad wanted to get at him for talking about spinning 100 because he was talking
about spinning techniques
and karate period yeah he was like crying haha he just laughed but man you
couldn't hit anybody more
karate than that whoo you know and more clean and i hit him with it twice yeah
the first one was the
neck i knew he was going to protect that so i went up a little higher and got
him right in the temple
yeah that was wild yeah i remember was it i remember watching him looking at chris
weidman jumps up he
had cj's young son in his hand just flailing around like yeah let's go and that
was the weekend where
uh conor mcgregor fought chad mendez i believe oh wow that was that saturday
that was like
international fight week maybe oh wow he fought chad mendez on saturday and i
fought on sunday
no kidding yeah yeah that was one of those weird things they they had a few of
those nights where
like they had frights fights on friday night fights on saturday night and how
crazy is this
uzman was on the undercard was he who was he fighting do you remember it was
the contender
oh no contenders the um finals yeah fighter fighter yeah i think vicente luque
was on that right
did you you know i obviously i don't remember but obviously you want to fight
for the title
and you know when you saw masvidal getting another shot was it did that piss
you off um
no it just made sense i mean the hype the guy the hype i mean the guys got
around him is ridiculous
and uh he took the fight on short notice so i guess the ufc might he owed him a
favor he hasn't fought
since he hasn't it was like back to back yeah i know a lot of fans were wanting
me to fight him
because i'm the only guy he hasn't fought in the top five um but um yeah man it's
i'm patient what do
you think you have to do to to get that to secure that title fight again
because a lot of people kind
of counted you out after you you had those two fights with woodley but then you
worked your way
back and then obviously the pettis fight but then you worked your way back into
contendership and i
think that jeff neil fight opened up a lot of people's eyes because a lot of
people me included were
really high on that and i still am and he's got a big fight coming up too he
does uh neil magne that's
right that's a really good fight that's a really good fight yeah good man he's
another guy that people
like to look past for some strange reason it's weird because he it's like and i
can't really say
anything because i've you know you know got beat by darren till got knocked out
by a guy who i've been
i was beating but uh it's like a swing or miss for jeff for uh neil magne like
he does very well
against this dude he's like a different fighter but then i don't know if it's
just the
smaller grapplers because rda submitted them right grapplers and michael chiesa
maya yeah
but he's a grappler yeah so yeah michael chiesa how the did that guy ever make
155 pounds i don't
know whenever i give that guy a hug it's like hugging a door yeah like jesus
bro he's so nice i love that
guy he's a great commentator too when he does the breakdowns on the desk with
alan joban those guys
are awesome i love that the ufc does that they give fighters an opportunity to
do stuff outside
of just compete even while they're active you know i've done a few things i
think was for the tyrant
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fight was one of them when he when he knocked out uh lawler i was behind the
desk i was with uh
cormier and i think dominant cruise and some of those guys but
um i liked it i had a lot of fun doing it but those guys those guys prepare man
they do a lot
of they do their studying yeah there's a lot of studying yeah and for me like i
would love hey
where are you gonna be you need to do that more often i was like it's just too
much work it's a lot
i was winging it for real i was going out there just all right here i am well
when we have a card
like this weekend i think there's 15 fights on the card this weekend i gotta
watch a lot of fights man
yeah there's a lot of good people some of these people i've never even heard of
i've never seen
them fight well a lot of them are debuts yeah so you got to go and find
something about them online
find find footage online yeah this will be the second time chris has fought uriah
hall oh that's
right he fought him before the ufc i think he knocked that knocked him out the
same yeah hit him with a
left hook yeah yeah that's right it was crazy we were in brazil doing a tv show
labor laboratorio
da lucha it was like a fight science thing and we were it was me versus a crossfit
guy chris weidman
versus a brazilian olympic wrestler and he had to wrestle he was so pissed
because he's out of shape
you know and he had to actually wrestle these guys and um but everybody he was
like you think joseph
beaver walked in people love chris love chris weidman for beating anderson for
beating anderson
wow they they they they were so pissed that uh anderson silva was doing the his
whole shenanigans out
there yeah they did not like him for that wow it was such an unfortunate way to
lose when anderson had
this dominant reign and to be like clowning chris and the way chris set it up
was so interesting too
because anderson would go left right left right so chris throws a punch and
then he throws a back
fist yeah it was like a yeah so he already was going to the right so he had to
go to the left
and he walks right into that left hook boom went nuts when that was really fun
i mean it's not funny
but it's really interesting because a lot of people missed that he threw the
punch and he threw a back
fist yeah so anderson was moving away from the back fist and chris lured him
right into the left hook
and he and for some reason chris doesn't he's not the fat like when you look at
that punch it doesn't
look really fast it's just kind of like moles through his chin his skull and
just just takes him out
yeah i don't think he saw it coming it was perfect no you know and what was
interesting is anderson was
fucking up chris's legs yeah he really was and if he just stayed disciplined
and fucked up his legs
i have a theory about that too though i think for some fighters when they're
that dominant for that
long i think the pressure is just overwhelming and that's one of the things
that matt hughes said when
he lost to bj penn when bj tapped him out he's like you know honestly i'm
relieved yeah it was like it's
just like all these guys chasing after me all the time trying to get to the
title and i was i was first of
all i was like wow kudos to you in this moment of defeat for being so honest to
say i mean and one
of the greatest fighters of all time to be that guy and also be like look i'm
gonna be honest with you
i'm happy i'm relieved yeah i mean that that pressure can be i don't see how
connor does it i don't see
any of those guys do at that level just the constant you know everybody just
like this watching you
everywhere you go and yeah i mean i everybody training for you yeah i felt that
way you know coming up at the
kickboxing just being undefeated for so long and when i got beat my back by
matt brown it was a relief
it was like now i can just go out there and fight i don't have to worry about
not losing being
undefeated constantly holding up that zero yeah that's interesting yeah yeah
the do you ever work
with a mental coach or anything i did for a little bit but i felt like these
guys were trying to put into
my head that i was mentally weak really that's how i felt that's just me i don't
know i don't know why
i feel like just the things that they were saying hey you know what bothers you
it's like nothing's
bothering me you know stop saying something's bothering me when nothing's
bothering me i don't
want you to focus on this i'm like you know i just like you know i've never
been i don't think i
at least i don't think like i never have been a negative thinker i've always
thought positively i
always thought like i'm gonna go out there and crush this dude you know i'm
just gonna work my
behind off and that's what gives me confidence going to a fight preparation
preparation man knowing
that i did everything i could to prepare for it and if there's any doubts then
if there's any of those
doubts out there like you know i should have did this i should have all right i
wasn't feeling good
this i see guys at the top do this all the time and that's why working through
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with champions i guess
coming up which is a bit has been a privilege with gsp and chris and these guys
they don't if they
they may have maybe feel a little bit of down whatever no they don't care what's
bothering them
at home may feel a little bit of bumps and bruises but they're still in the gym
there's always
something you can do yeah always so it's just that mindset man i kind of i try
to be as
it's contagious right yeah oh yeah 100 so is loser mentality it is it is you
know you see a lot of
those guys who it was like a compilation somebody put out there after i lost
the pettis and they
showed a bunch of people up there crying and then me i'm just like yeah what's
up man but it's you know
it's you can't go back and change it yeah it is what it is right just go back
just go back to the
drawing board and get better bless yourself baby it's max hollower shirt shout
out shout out to mac but
that's what he always says it was it is what it is it is what it is life's a
garden you gotta dig it
nobody's more relaxed and happy after a loss than that guy he just lets it go
even when he gets robbed
he's like it is what it is and that's kind of how i felt with uh was it the
till fight i i felt like
i won that fight but uh you know like i said at the end it is what it is you go
back to the drawing you
were talking in that fight about those sidekicks to the knee yes you don't like
those fights those kicks
i don't i guess when you're out there fighting anything can happen you could
you have the
potential to really damage somebody but i feel like that's just like a like
somebody getting a
heel hook and really cranking it and sparring right just just uh a dick move
you know yeah i'm like
okay yeah we're out here fighting each other but i'm seriously trying to injure
you i'm seriously
trying to put you out of the game i feel like if i went out there and started
sidekick with my knees
it would just be i don't know i couldn't do it really yeah do you remember the
first fight with
robert whitaker and yoel romero yes yoel came out through sidekicks to the knee
and really
fucked up robert's knees the second fight robert came out and fucked up yoel's
knees did it the same
way yeah came out and immediately opened up with those sidekicks to the knees
john jones notorious for
that who is he he's so good at that yeah he's so good at that dudes are out for
a year see that's the
thing like at the end of the fight i want you still standing i want to go have
a beer and be cool i wish
there was something they could do about meniscus oh man meniscus and cartilage
because it seems like
when that shit blows out arthritis so hard to fix yeah and then it it hinders
your movements and sparring
and training so it changes the way you prepare and it changes the way you think
about moving and kicking
and so it makes you think too how crazy the human body is because there's not a
anything out there that could replace that meniscus other than resurfacing you
know yeah other than right
but there's no material like no rubber out there that could replace it you know
so when it's gone
it's gone it's gone it's gone i mean what they do now is just they they just
completely remove the
cartilage and put this crazy synthetic material really they drill it into your
kneecap and that becomes
your new knee surface what yeah and then you don't feel is it the guy from the
highland games we've
talked about him before do you remember the gentleman's name he's a big fucking
house of a man who won the
highlands games and got his uh knee replaced who told me about it kelly starlet
told me about it
i like your shirt by the way thank you you're welcome matt vincent that's it
matt vincent see if
you can find uh his instagram there's a video of him moving post-surgery doing
like these you know
highland games it's all the crazy shit where they they throw cannonballs and
stuff
don't they don't they like toss yeah like big polls yeah yeah yeah all that
kind of scottish games
yeah the highland games they call it oh but this guy matt vincent that's his
name matt vincent's a
gorilla he's just a tank of a man so it's just it was just a huge change yeah
he blew his knee out
and blew his acl out and kept training um what is that what his knee used to
look like yeah and that's
what it looks like now two years ago yeah so so that's how that's how his left
knee is or it might
be his right knee it's right knee you could tell there's no uh gap between the
knees so it's bone
on bone so but watch what he could do now watch this um that's not the best
video of it what yeah
uh there's another there's a great video of him doing some crazy so you see him
running on a
treadmill he can do everything now basically essentially he's lost some weight
too
this is him what year is this what is this and this was his right knee he said
go go a little
further than that there's some videos of him moving really well no that's not
it that's him at the
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highland games this stupid skirt on sorry bro yeah he he did a lot of that uh
knees over toes stuff oh
so that's so yeah that's what you're talking about okay but that's just to
strengthen all the around
the knee but if you go a little further down i'll tell you when i see it is him
i feel like everybody's
dabbled in mma everybody's doing a little something yeah well it's because you
know you just that's the
ultimate yeah i've talked to other athletes man and you know just talking to
them they're huge fans
it's like something i wish they could go to this no no no oh that's me talking
about hey scroll a
little down yeah i've talked about them several times that right there that one
in the middle you
can see moving really well i mean this is that's a big boy man and this is with
a fake knee
i mean all of this movement with a fake knee that's crazy right that's weird
all the spinning and stuff
yeah yeah what does it say there let's say one of my goals the next year is get
a through throw
it's been a long time ago start throwing but i'm able to move well enough pain-free
teach people that might be an older that might be an old video i don't know if
that's it anyway
there's some videos of him moving around on his instagram page to show how uh
so he his acl apparently
was completely and uh he kept training and kept competing even with his knee
and just destroyed the
inside of it and then ultimately had to get it resurfaced if you go to the
ready state that's kelly
starts page and um he's the author of the supple leopard really smart strength
and conditioning coach
and guy who's a real expert in physiology blew his knee out skiing yeah and
then uh did his best to
try to get it fixed and rehab it and all that jazz but eventually wound up
getting there's kelly
and wound up getting it um resurfaced and uh now he can do everything it's just
it's not what it used to
be gotcha that's but there's some videos of him doing stuff in there if you
scroll a little down you
could see some of the movements and stuff that he can do now and he's only four
months out of getting
his uh his resurfaced and so this is definitely something i need to be well
come from kamaru usman
was saying that eventually he's gonna have to do this yeah his knees are pretty
fucked you would never
tell while he's fighting nope so this is him uh doing rehab this is him uh
rehabilitating his left knee
which was the one that was those stabilizers yeah right so stabilizers that
actually keep that
knee in so this is a blown out fake knee and you can go all the way down do
pistol squats on it and
all this stuff yeah yeah and again the inside of it was complete toast yeah
yeah we live in that going
down and up that's what gets it for me for me oh yeah standing up mm-hmm yeah i
feel like it's grinding oh
yeah well all the meniscus and everything gets smushed in there you could go
back to his uh his page so he
can um oh he can go go go back up up please he's there's a video of him skiing
where he talks about um
how well he can move now i think that's it is that it i'm taking a guess i don't
know it looked like
it you see snowy mountains yeah that's an ad for a thing but there's whatever
it's it's so hard to go
yeah everybody posts too much but uh i found it oh you found it okay so this is
him yeah okay there
after surgery this is him lifting look he's dead lifting a ton of weight and
then how old is this guy
him uh he's in his 40s i believe if i had a guess sorry if i'm wrong still a
young guy but there's a
video of him uh skiing and i think it's in the beginning yeah see so he's
mountain biking yeah and
right right here just let it play out so he's doing this and then he's skiing
so this is him with a
fucked up fake knee wow so the when they and he's doing jumps so you can they
resurface the knee and
it's just whatever that material is that you know fucking composite stuff it fuses
itself to the top
of the knee so it requires just like aljamain's neck your your bones have to
sort of take to it and
fuse it in and then there's no meniscus anymore so is that like a swing or miss
if your body if
your body takes to it or not it's kind of like a cadaver it's a good question
yeah i don't think so
i think i think they have it down now and they're getting better at it all the
time because it used
to be once you had those things you were stiff and you were never going to walk
normal again and
you just you had a fake knee now the way they have it you could actually
compete in athletics
yeah it's getting interesting i definitely something i need to be looking into
for sure because i got
how long do you think you're going to fight i will do it as long as my body
will let me
i mean i haven't taken a ton of damage you know coming up in the in the even in
kickboxing or you
know i've been knocked out once been knocked down a few times though but that
was tyron tyron throw
throws missiles he had a perfectly timed to that freaking left hand and what
was crazy hit me with
like two in a row thank goodness i was blessed with a hard skull because i got
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back up and then
i was in that guillotine and uh learned to breathe out my butthole that's an
ancient chinese secret so you
just have a thought in your head just as long as i can do it yeah i mean until
or if my pop says i'm
done yeah as as a fighter as i want to be i'm going to be able to compete i do
it for the fun of it
money's just a bonus i've been fighting for since i was 15 years old and uh i
just love to compete
what's next for you right now uh burns that's right when is that july 10th
interesting and they just
announced that right yeah i uh yeah i've got 12 weeks that's a big fight yeah
that's a big fight
yeah you know and gilbert this would be his first fight coming off of uh usman
yeah and you know he's
going to be on point he's going to want to prove a point so i know i'm going to
be getting the best burns
and that's i wouldn't have it any other way i'm sure you wouldn't he's another
guy that i'm like
how the did you ever make 155 pounds yeah he's he's not that tall but he's
thick boy his neck is as
wide as my shoulders he's got that mike tyson neck that 25 inch round neck man
i feel like in that fight
with usman he just like had an adrenaline dump and i think there was like there
was moments where he had
so much success i think maybe just got a little excited early yeah earlier on
it looked like he had
rocked him he did rock right he did so he did yeah okay he put his hands on
them i remember that he
dropped him and then that's what's cool that's what that experience and being
the champ like he stayed
composed usman's mind is fort knox i love it you ain't getting in there i love
it i mean he may lose
someday he's lost before he got he lost his pro debut really yeah he got strangled
what yeah who did he
fight do you remember uh i do not know um go to uh kamar usman's uh uh wikipedia
what if he wrestled
himself into a submission sometimes wrestlers do that he's got caught in the
rear naked some guy put
him in the rear naked and he really didn't understand jiu-jitsu back then and
uh got tapped oh second
fight i'm sorry okay jose caseros submission we're gonna get choking cfa 11
yeah jose yeah that's about his uh
uh jose right that's yeah yeah brazilian sounding name is probably that's the
only loss in his entire
career yeah and then you scroll all the way up look at that it's all just
dominance oh you know
pretty fucking interesting yeah so masvidal and then gilbert but the i think
the colby covington
fight was probably the most satisfying for him yeah i think so too i think it
was most satisfying for a
lot of people not for colby no i mean i i mean i hear colby's a really nice guy
he is a nice guy
he was great i'm hanging out with him at the comedy store i've never never met
him before
do you know the story no the story's interesting this is what happened they had
him scheduled to be cut
and he was about to fight damien maya and they told him listen your style sucks
we don't like you
know i don't know who said it to him i don't know what the words were but
essentially what he said to
me is they they told me you're boring and we're going to cut you even if you
win and he's like
fuck and so because he was a wrestler and he was you know had kind of a safety
first style and he was
really good at grinding and incredible gas tank and never did any of this
before right his whole fight
before that was just like i'm going to fight my best i'm going to train hard i'm
going to do my best
and then he is in brazil with damien maya and he starts talking mad and he
starts
fuck you you filthy animals i just beat your best guy and everybody's like what
they're going crazy and he talks mad he beats damien maya and then the next
thing you
know the ufc's like okay what's next wow and then you know he's like okay i got
a character now
and then he starts wearing the mega hat yeah and he brings girls around for all
these photos and
you know he's out there meanwhile the guy drinks nothing but water trains like
a fucking animal
you know i mean he's he doesn't party at all i mean that guy is super dedicated
he's good friends
with my friend cam haynes who's a insane ultra marathon runner slash bow hunter
like one of the most
disciplined guys i've ever met he trains with colby like colby trains with this
fucking animal and does
these runs with them and mountain runs he says the kid is in incredible shape
he's like he's super
dedicated and he eats clean 24 7 365 fully dedicated no partying i mean he all
he cares about is fighting
and winning that's all he cares about i've never heard i've never heard this
story yeah no idea that
story his character was because of desperation he created that character when
you talk to him in real
life he's not like that at all yeah he's a wrestling heel like he really is
like rick flair or like
some wrestling guy but meanwhile everybody goes crazy with that situation he
almost got in a fight with
somebody outside of one of the hotels it was verdum i guess because he called
him right yes yeah okay
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for doom okay we're doing well verdum's uh proud brazilian yeah yeah brazil's
filled with very proud
people 100 they love brazil you know and they don't like you disrespecting brazil
and look he
fucked up i was wondering i was like he didn't hit him in the head with a boomerang
or yeah he threw
a boomerang at him and then and then who was it uh somebody wore a boomerang
shirt i think it was
uzman oh that's hilarious he wore a boomerang shirt i guess in one of the press
conferences listen
fabrizio verdum's an enormous man he's huge he's also the first guy to ever
beat fedor so just
i remember that stay the fuck away from him yeah caught him in a triangle yeah
what is fedor doing
nowadays still fighting unfortunately what yeah in russia no and bellator
yeah ryan bader katoed him in the first round ryan bader caught him with a left
hook in the first
round ryan went like faked for a takedown and came up with a left hook and clipped
him and knocked
him out you never saw that uh see pull up that because ryan bader has reinvented
himself as a
heavyweight and he's the heavyweight champion of bellator bader is the heavyweight
champ of the ryan
bader is a beast as a heavyweight i don't watch fights he was that's incredible
oh watch this
oh what that faked a take down like we like he was going down to the knee and
clipped him
perfectly oh he looks massive he just looks like oh he's huge yeah bellator's
drug test is a
questionnaire agreed look at this dude's neck man no he's a tank it's the thing
man well it's also he
doesn't have to cut any weight yeah he doesn't it's just like it's just his so
much walk around weight
you know but he lost a light heavyweight title he had the light heavyweight
title of bellator as well
and he was a two division champ he fought uh uh nemkov okay nemkov's a beast
nemkov just beat phil
davis too i feel like if you have a name like that like nemkov's legit nemkov's
very legit there's a
few guys over in bellator that i believe can hang with anybody in the world douglas
lima is the biggest
oh douglas lima douglas lima in my opinion and then musasi at 185 is in my
opinion one of the best
fighters on planet earth but douglas lima is scary one of the scariest leg kickers
i've ever seen man that
one i saw a meme when he knocked out michael page venom oh my god he had muirnier
come in
yes and he grabs him by his hands and he just he just ko's him oh he's the
first guy to have any
success against venom you know venom is so slick and then looked like he
staggered him early and then
he comes back and just like kicks the crap out of that well he kicked him low
and dropped him like
he wobbled like he went down and then he caught him with that fucking punch
coming up yeah brilliant
that was awesome yeah he there's a few of those guys over there pitbull
yeah patricky pitbull i mean i think he's uh as good as anybody on the fucking
planet what do you
think about mighty mouse losing for the first time patricio pitbull which one
is her it's patricio
patricky's the brother right yeah patricio's the the really good one who's two
division champion
crazy mighty mouse losing for the first time well over there yeah over there
yeah and one now how are
those by ko first time by ko because some of those dudes are yes yeah man that
guy who knocked out eddie
alvarez yeah uh timothy natsukian nat nasty ukians how do you say his name
nasty you can it's like nasty
is in his name it's called nasty nasty you can that's okay he's a fucking
animal he's scary yeah they got
some great strike they have georgio petrosian over there you know john wayne
parr is fighting tonight
what john wayne parr is fighting nikki holskin on a wednesday on tnt this is
tomorrow so if you're
listening to this sorry fuckers air this tomorrow but uh yeah john wayne parr
is fighting nikki holskin
tonight yeah on tnt one championship is now on tnt shout out to my man michael
schiavello big mike mike
i love that dude yeah he's great you know the big kaboosh i love i love what he
says yeah man he
commentated one of my brother's fights when he fought for uh legacy i think it
was that he calls
him the beanpole he called my brother the beanpole the beanpole yeah yeah he
fought my brother evan
fought mma before i did really i fought at 185 yeah how many brothers and
sisters you got to fight
uh it was me well both all the boys did and how many boys there's three now all
of them and i'm i'm
the oldest but i'm the runt really i'm the run of the group yeah wow and the
one my brother evan
fought at 185 he was probably 225 now six three six four the baby tony he's
about six two about 285
played college football one point he was over 300 pounds jesus but he can he
has more talent
than i will ever have really and i would say he just didn't have a competitive
bone in his body
wow and and and what does he do teaches at the school wow yeah teens program
how old is he he's
just turned 30. maybe he can fire back up again i've been trying to i'm trying
i'm trying to man
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would he be light heavyweight or a heavyweight no he he would not be heavyweight
i mean he was a
heavyweight yeah 205 for sure but uh those guys are heavyweight just on another
level sweet tea what
do you think come on sweet tea what do you think sweet tea but you know the guy
comes off the couch
and just waxes dudes you know i feel like i'm a spar today and just no pressure
maybe maybe you know i
don't know but he just he but there's a savagery about him too like you hit him
hard he's coming after
you there's some guys that just they're not interested in competition i know
that's why i feel like the best
fighters in the world you'll probably never see them some of them i mean we all
know guys in the gym
that for whatever reason dominate people in the gym and then you never see them
compete they just
they're not interested in whatever it is the maybe they wanted to do with the
pressure or the nerves and
i know they have other interests they just happen to be super talented because
sometimes just because
someone's really talented at something doesn't mean they want to do it for a
living right i've i've seen
guys like that before in the gym that were like you you watch them roll and you're
like what the
man like how good is this guy and you're like dude he's as good as anybody he
just doesn't want to
compete donahar told me there's a bunch of guys like that that would train at
henzo's i feel like
if you you you have to be that way to train at henzo's man you just be trashed
on you gotta be a savage
over there that's a perfect example of like a real shark tank where there's so
many sharks there that you
just the level like because you really rise to the level of your training
partners and especially
in jujitsu in those environments yeah if you you hear a guy like a guy trains
at marcelo garcia
his gym you're like oh or a guy trains at john jock machado's gym you're like
oh like there's there's
gyms where you hear about people and you go oh jesus like you have to be good
and henzo in my opinion
is like like if you hear like some guy got a a black belt from hickson you go
whoa like there's yeah you
know there's levels yeah you know that's john jock man i haven't seen him in a
while that's my man i
was in what 2005 i was up at the abu dhabi um he was going against some heavyweight
there was a super
fight and the guy just laid on the whole time rico yes rico rodriguez yeah yeah
i remember that
no no no dean lister dean lister that's right that's right that's right i think
gsp competed there too
he did he got submitted uh yes he did he did i'm trying to remember who
submitted him
the reason why i said marcelo garcia because marcelo garcia or rico rodriguez
marcelo garcia
submitted rico rodriguez he got him in a heel hook and marcello was there and
he was just crushing
people but then he got who was it he was fighting the open division and he had
somebody's back and he
jumps up and just gets rico rodriguez that was him and then he tapped him
tapped him with the heel hook
after that everybody booed that dude yeah because marcelo was on his back and
reach up rico's like
260. that was like a d move right there yeah just jumps up lands and it was uh
jacaray and um roger
gracie i'm trying to remember who tapped gsp but the guy was good is this it no
rio santos oh rio santos
yes yes 2005. yeah i was there yeah he got him in an arm bar yeah i was there
it's a flying one flying
arm bar that was in la right whoop yep caught him quick and the good thing
about gsp man he put himself
he would bring people in he would go train with the best guys watching him roll
with uh you know hodger
gracie roger gracie even uh even who was it i was up there i was watching roger
gracie and uh um
oh what freaking what's his name
i was just talking about him brain fart what does it look like um i was helping
to get ready for leo
to machida rashad evans lord okay those guys were going at it yeah at it savage
man they were just
picking up slamming i mean it was like the craziest scrambles ever and i don't
know i think roger was
going kind of like this and rashad with that wrestle mentality was 100. that
was fun that was fun to
watch i was like i'm not stepping out there not stepping out there there's been
a few gyms i've
went i went to att one time before the matt brown fight and i was getting i go
out there and spar and i
saw a hedgehog lombard out there just wailing on dudes it's like like i think
he'd like he was
sparring some guy small and just dropped him i'm like i'm just gonna pack my
stuff up i'm just gonna
leave i don't see how he's just kind of famous for that yeah for being really
really hard in the gym i
mean he's he's comes from that old school cuban mentality there's no soft sparring
there's none of
that there's no light sparring here you know and that gym att i mean you want
to talk about an incredible
gym oh yeah i mean dan lambert shout out to that guy that guy poured millions
of dollars into that gym
before he ever saw a penny back really yeah and they built that whole new gym
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that they're out now
with the dormitories and an incredible space he built that built a whole
building bought land put up the
building just because he loves the sport good friend i mean he's a he made his
money outside of that he's a
businessman made his money completely outside of mma and just just loves it
here you go guys loves it
loves it any one of those guys well listen brother i can't wait to see your
fight with gilbert and uh
i'm a big fan thank you i'm glad we finally did this but we've been talking for
three hours and 20
minutes are you kidding me i feel like we just sat down no how long are we
doing it 320 what yeah
three hours and 20 minutes i think i like there's more to talk about what are
we doing why are we
stopping what else you want to talk about you good hey no i'm on your i'm on
your time baby thanks
appreciate you man thank you very much thank you bye everybody see you