Greg Overton

00:04Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan experience. TRAIN BY DAY, JOE WHAT'S UP? What's up? What's up, man? What's up, bro? Good to see you, my friend. Yeah, dude. Good to see you. Good to see you. Pull up to the microphone so other people can hear you. can hear me and see me. Have you ever done a podcast? Yeah, you have done a podcast. I've listened to you on podcast. I've done Oh, you did? Yeah, I listened to you on some pod- I was shooting arrows in my backyard and uh some podcast came up and it said Greg Overton. I'm like, get the [ __ ] out of here. My man. See, I'm doing all kinds of [ __ ] Yeah. of [ __ ] My boy Justin, who's from Pittsburgh, what's up, Justin? He does the Curious Jones podcast. Mhm. And we also uh do those Zippos. He does those. So, lit zips. Um Curious Jones podcast. He's a cool dude.

00:55We got one of those right here. Yeah. The Black Dragon Samurai. is the samurai that we have outside next to the Did you see the actual samurai armor? Yeah. [ __ ] crazy. I love samurai And the sword, dude. And the sword. The sword's even older than the armor. The armor's from the 1800s, but the sword's from the 1500s. So, is that that's right before the Sengoku Jidai, the time of the country at war, the 300 years where they're at war. I'm trying to think, did it begin in the 1500s? I don't have knowledge of that. that up, the Sengoku Jidai? Pull that microphone up. But keep it like a fist from your face. There you go. There you go. Yeah. All right. Um So, I first found out about you I don't even remember what year it was, man. Um I remember I was with my family. I was in Salt Lake and we were walking by this gallery and there was this

01:45[ __ ] dope painting. It's huge painting of this Native American guy with a buffalo skull that had a bullet hole in the head. And I was like, goddamn. I was trying to figure out where could I put that? Where could I put that [ __ ] thing? And I I snoozed. I snoozed and I lose. And then and then it got bought, but I didn't lose you know. Um But that dude, it's an interesting story and I'll just tell you like I had I was showing with this other gallery for a long time that that same painting was like in the back room and they weren't really giving me my props, which is what people will do if they just want to kind of keep you at a certain level. They'll So, do they do that to keep your prices down? They do that so you don't leave the gallery so you don't get too big for the gallery. Oh. So, they don't go off on your own

02:33like you did. But no, I'm loyal as [ __ ] dude. I'm still at the galleries that that were cool. You know what I mean? If you if the people hook me up, I'm going to hook them up. I'm going to stay there. You know what I mean? But I like I just wasn't getting my due at this other gallery, so I decided How long had you been painting for at the time? I mean, professionally, I think about 16 years. Wow. But you know, I've been doing it since I was a kid, semi-professional. Just always. Yeah. Always doing art. And when did you get I I want to say obsessed. That's the right word, right? When I was born. With Native American culture. Yeah. Well, I mean From the time you were little. There was books in my grandparents' house. Like the one of them was called Fighting Indians of the West and then there was like uh Russell and Remington books, the painters.

03:21And so I just look at these photos of like Sitting Bull and um I was going to say Crazy Horse, but no photos of Crazy Horse, but like Geronimo and [ __ ] like that. And I just saw a look in their eye like a a wild person, somebody who wasn't trapped by the system. Mhm. You know what I mean? And as a little kid I just knew that was I knew that was better. I knew it was powerful. I just really loved that culture. to it. Yeah. It is so fascinating that so many um Native Americans who uh got captured and put into the reservation systems and then eventually like integrated with Western culture [ __ ] hated it. But when Western people either when they were young if they got kidnapped or if they integrated with the tribes, like a lot of trappers, a lot of people integrated with the tribes, when they tried to bring them back to Western

04:17society, they all wanted to leave. Mhm. They're like, get me the [ __ ] out of here. Like I don't want to do this. It's like we have this idea that cities and especially back then, I mean you're talking about cities in the 1800s that somehow or another it was better. You know, we always have the the idea that progress in terms of like what's going on right now is better than what was going on before. We always have that in our head that we're doing it the But it doesn't seem to ring true to the human spirit. There's there's something about human beings that they absolutely prefer that life. Yeah, I mean it's dude you are a more of a human being if you're living that life. If you're living a life in a city where you have to go do something you don't want to do and you have to go hang out with people you really It's like your tribe is your

05:10tribe. You belong there. It's a totally just simpler, better, more real way of life. I think that thing that you just said, too, about your tribe because too many people today, their tribe is not someone they chose. Their tribe is just people that they're stuck with because they're working with them. You know, if you're working like if you're a say if you're a married person, you're a married couple and you both work. You're both with other people at least 8 hours a day. How long are you together? You're together for a few hours at night then you go to sleep. Yeah. You're tired. It's not a a quality way of life. But it's not the people you chose. It's the people that your occupation chose or the opportunity for employment chose. And then you got to deal with these [ __ ] schmucks in your office. I've been very fortunate I never had to

06:02work in an office my whole life. I dodged office life. But uh I've got a lot of people that I worked with that were [ __ ] annoying, man. Just they just got in your way. They're always there. They're always the [ __ ] imposing their [ __ ] on you. And if you're a person that works in an office, especially if you have a bunch of bosses the boss-employee relationship is so often abused. It's such an abusive place to be where you have this person that gets to tell you what to do and make you sometimes work on weekends and make you like stay overtime and upset at you if you do X, Y, or Z, which has no bear- forces you to have the same ideological beliefs as them, forces you to same have the same political beliefs as them. Crazy, dude. Reminds me of that movie Office Space. Yes, exactly. Like that's why I think our country is

06:58almost like right now is that [ __ ] Milton. Mhm. Do you remember him? Who's like they're they're always kind of pushing him to the side, seeing how much [ __ ] he'll put up with. guy, right? Yeah. That's Stephen Root. Yeah. Yeah, that's my man. Where he's he's just like put how much [ __ ] will these [ __ ] put up with? And that's your that's your life in an office. But you're and you're taught as a kid going to high school, like if you do a good job here, you get to have an office job. That's what you're [ __ ] shooting for? Yeah, and then you're working all day at school to try to do that. It's it's very complicated, man. Trying to get through the education aspect of your childhood and the indoctrination aspect cuz that's what it is. It's indoctrinating you into believing that the only way that you can

07:45get by in this life is to become a part of this exact same system. So, that this is why school is structured like that. I mean, it's structured like that to teach you, but it's also structured like that where you're sitting down in front of people all day long learning things that you don't want to learn, uh being forced to be immobile when when you're a child and you're you're literally just a hummingbird of energy. You're just I know those little desks. Yeah, oh, it's terrible for you. The bad for Bad feeling. I couldn't wait to run away from it. Like everything every fiber of my being was opposed to it. But they had everyone convinced that if you didn't do this this way, you're going to be a [ __ ] loser. And that's what I was convinced. I was convinced I was going to be a loser. So, I was like, I got to figure out a way to

08:34make money outside of regular jobs cuz I'm a [ __ ] loser. I can't I can't do a regular job. I got to do a loser job. I have to be a loser. I have to be a construction worker. I have to do something else. I have to do something that's outside the norm cuz I just I can't [ __ ] do this. I can't sit down. I can't I just I don't I have too much energy. I'm so bored. And it's also a terrible way to learn things. Like the best way to learn things is things you enjoy. Things you enjoy and then if you learn that you do sim- something that you enjoy and you really get good at it, you go, oh, I can apply that to everything. I can apply that to all things in life. But they don't teach you that. They teach you you got to [ __ ] sit still. You got to pay attention. You got to memorize some nonsense. You got to do some [ __ ]

09:22do these [ __ ] calculations that make no sense to you. Like you got to you got to re- memorize these [ __ ] people, a distorted version of the actual history. You know, which is almost always what they're teaching. Some weird distortion written by the winners. Yeah. And if you don't do that, you're a loser. We have such a goofy society. Yeah, that's but dude, we made it and we [ __ ] We were we were born into it. Well, I mean we like our ancestors made it. But I think they were maybe they were trying to do the right thing. Maybe they had good intentions. Maybe we don't know. But it turns out it's [ __ ] stupid. Why do we keep doing it? I think it's industry tricked everybody. Industry gave people jobs. Jobs are easy. You know, you need to feed people. You need to eat. You need to have a roof

10:08over your head. Okay, here's a job. This way I can get a roof over my head. Especially these people that came over like my grandparents did. They came over from Italy. It's like these [ __ ] They didn't know what the hell was going on. They didn't know what was going on, you know? They were just like, "What do I got to do? I got to feed myself. What do I get a job? Get a job. Get a job." So everybody gets a job. You got to get a job. And I'm going to get a job. Get a job. Get a job. Because the reality of life then, in the 1920s, everybody was [ __ ] starving to death. People were starving. Dudes weighed 100 lb. No one had food. It was a real possibility that you could starve to death in America. People were like real poor. Real poor in like the 1920s. And so they all just did it. And now we're still doing it. And everyone's

10:50[ __ ] miserable. And then everyone gets to Not everyone, obviously. You're not miserable. I'm not miserable. Well, like the people that have to it. The people Everyone stuck in that trap is miserable. They [ __ ] hate their bosses. They hate the corporation. Can't wait to get out and talk [ __ ] about them. And And they're like they're pissed off at people that got out of it. Oh, yeah. Or people that are free of it. They don't like people that are free of it. You know, like I was having this conversation with my kids about um like podcasters and influencers. You know, they were talking about, "This girl, she's making millions of dollars." And this not. I go Here's how you have to think about that. It seems ridiculous that she's doing that. But she has a product. Whatever that product is, she's

11:28making videos or TikToks or what have you. Someone's consuming that product. She's a business person. It's just the business is ridiculously easy to get into and the product is nonsense. But the thing is But you got to hand it to her for selling some [ __ ] lucky. She got born in the right time. I mean, if that lady was born in the 1970s, she'd be [ __ ] Yeah. But she's not, you know? But then then you also have to deal with like from a psychologist's perspective. If you talk to psychologists about growing up in this time. It's one of the most challenging times. Because people are inundated by other people's lives. You're inundated by these people driving cars you couldn't imagine driving, living in these crazy homes, flashing money, wearing all these designer clothes. Everybody's on a got a filter on so their skin looks perfect. They

12:14look way more beautiful than they do in real life. And you're like, "God damn. Like what is life? Like what what what do I have to aspire to? Like what am I looking for? Like what what do I can I get out of this, you Mhm. You You don't have meaning. You don't have a sense of belonging that you make a difference. Like that's a [ __ ] empty, sad life, dude. Yeah, it's a suck life. As opposed to life that you're living. A life of an artist. Like a life that you know, there's you you will labor at these pieces that you make. And then people stand in front of them and go, "Like dude, that one that you made for me, the the one with the guy's got all the the face paint like like a gray and black face paint on. Do you know the one I'm talking about?" Dreamer. Yeah. Yes, dude. That one That one's in my my library. When people walk in there

13:07they go, "Oh, shit." I'm going, "Yeah, right. Look at that thing." You can stare at that painting. You can stare at it for hours. Like, "Whoa. There's so much" And it's huge. There's so much going on in it. That's what you have to do. If you're going to actually say I'm an artist, it has to stop [ __ ] in their tracks. Mhm. And kind of wake them up a little bit. And then they can't even stop thinking about it the rest of the day because it's like Has anybody ever done that to a Jackson Pollock? I mean, not unless they're on a lot of drugs. Maybe that's what I'm missing. Maybe it's like a Dead concert. I didn't take enough LSD. Oh, I guarantee the Dead sounds way better if you're frying. Oh, I bet if you're frying it's amazing. I bet it's amazing. But can you find that photo Oh, that's one that I have to know if you're talking about Soul

13:59Catcher or Dreamer. Catcher. I I have that one in my house, too. But that one's dope, too. The one of the That's That's the one. [ __ ] Soul Catcher. And that thing is massive. That's a massive painting. It's huge. Yeah. I think And it's sitting in my library. You can't really see all the detail on it that good cuz it's like a JPEG and it's kind of when you blow it up you can't see as much detail. that high resolution. But you know, when you look at the snake the snake scales, dude. Oh, the snake scales. But really the thing that it gets me is always his face. Just the the close-up of his face with all the paint and the the cracked paint. [ __ ] I love that painting. Yeah. You put your soul into it and it speaks. It's alive, dude. Yeah, it speaks. That one speaks. That one speaks. I mean, that's what art is. So it's it's speaking without words.

14:53It's communicating through this. I mean, it's the most archaic language that we have. Like those cave drawings and stuff. Probably language wasn't that advanced when they were doing that. But they wanted to say something profound. You know what I mean? Like they didn't have like books and poems and all that. They weren't advanced as far as writing stuff down. Mhm. So they'd write it down in a like a pictograph. Mhm. And that's how they would communicate those deeper truths. And if you if you look at those cave drawings, they're always they have the same themes. You know, have you looked at those? You know what I'm talking about? a lot of them, yeah. a a hunter Mhm. and he's kind of with the animals. Mhm. They're going along and then there's like this big tall [ __ ] with a space helmet on her. There's a lot of those. Yeah. There's a lot of Explain that.

15:42Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't know if if I have to. You have to just look at the [ __ ] thing. They explained it. Well, I don't know what that means, you know? I really don't. I could They could have been tripping balls. Yeah. Or it could be that when you're tripping balls you meet those folks and they're real. Yeah. That's what I was going to say. I was like the same with Grateful Dead, bro. Yeah. I've often thought about that about UFO experiences. Because I think maybe it's like a state of mind. There's a state of mind that you you can achieve and you can see them. You know, not not if they're not there, clearly. But I think If they're not here. Yeah. Then they're there. But even if they're not I mean, they're not there all the time, right? The idea is if they're if there's something that's traveling here. But but might also be

16:29if it's interdimensional, though. Yeah. That's what a lot of people think. It's so hard to know. Because it's like it's such a multifaceted story, right? Cuz it's laced with [ __ ] Cuz people are bullshitters, right? So everyone bullshits. They they distort something to make it more interesting. They twist it up in their own mind. Even your own memory is absolutely terrible. Cuz you always want to make yourself be the hero. Yeah. Or if you're like self-loathing, make yourself be a piece of And then you're the villain. Yeah, you could do that, too. But it's it's also it's just not reliable, right? So then you have this shocking thing where you're not exactly sure what happened. And then your body starts filling in or your mind starts filling in the blanks with like a lot of nonsense. And then you start telling it to people over and

17:14over again. And then after a while, your memory is of the memory of you telling it. Mhm. And barely even of the UFO experience itself. It's like you've told it this way for a certain amount of times. So you kind of kind of keep repeating it. Yeah. You know, like what is the motivation there? Is it now it's just a story you tell to get attention? What makes you better? You're a special person. talked to me. Yeah, we have to always be careful of anything that makes you special. Anything that makes you a special person. What what makes you special? Are you Did you really see Bigfoot? Or are you just a [ __ ] loser? You know, like what's what's going on here? Are you [ __ ] just a [ __ ] special cuz you saw Bigfoot? Or is he just special cuz he I don't know. I think Bigfoot might be one of them things, too. I think maybe I

17:58I struggled with the idea that everyone's lying. I really do. But I also struggle with the idea of this unknown bipedal hominid that's 8 ft tall. Like where is it [ __ ] Where What does it eat? Where's its bones? No one's seen it on a trail camera. How's that possible? But why would everybody be lying? But maybe it's smart. Maybe it [ __ ] digs toilets. I don't I don't know. No chance. Well, there's No chance it's so smart that it knows what a trail camera is, but it never made its own trail camera. No No chance. No chance it doesn't get photographed. Wi-Fi and [ __ ] No. Too many people go into the back country. You know, all my friends that really go deep in the back country. Like my friends like Aaron Snyder. He, you know, he does these crazy back country hunts. He'll go like 26 mi in with everything on his back.

18:48And they hunt for weeks weeks at a time. And he never guys have stories like that. None of them. Not one. Only the people that are nervous in the woods, that don't understand the woods. You know, I saw a squirrel once and for like a couple of seconds I thought it was a wolf. Was it I thought Carl Carl was a wolf when he's biting my leg. Carl was a wolf about 14, 15,000 years ago. They turned that into Carl. No, I I think you're right. I'm saying? And like there's bears that stand up on two legs. They do that all the time. And people see that in between the trees. You think you saw a Bigfoot. You know, but I then I I wonder about like just the the heightened state of mind that you're in when you're in the forest and you're scared. You know, because you've been in the woods before. And for people that haven't, I really recommend it. Because it's so humbling.

19:39There's something about just the undeniable vulnerability that you have and that you don't really mean that much. You might think you mean a lot. But you're just a part of this massive system that's going on. This massive system of life. And if you're in that, and this is a new experience for you, and then you start freaking out, and then you think you saw something, and your brain goes into overdrive, and your mind starts pattern forming, you start looking for thing you've heard about Bigfoot, now you start seeing Bigfoot, you know? Bigfoot! Yeah. I think there's a little bit of that. I mean, I'm sure a lot of people do. If they're getting drunk, or maybe they're smoking a little weed, or whatever. Yeah. God. again, maybe if you are drunk or smoking a little weed, maybe you can hit that spot. Maybe there's a frequency that you could hit. Where that

20:29[ __ ] is real. dude. Yeah. I mean, I think it's cool to believe in, like It's very cool to See, if it was real, it would be really cool. Some people are all in. And you can't even talk about it. They needed a hobby. Like, I got to sell some [ __ ] t-shirts, man. There's a lot of that. thing. Like Finding Bigfoot. Yeah. Like that show. That show was hilarious. Like How do they pull that off for like eight seasons? eight [ __ ] seasons. did Finding Bigfoot have? It might still be going on. wanted to find it. You can just keep There's a certain amount of slack-jawed people, me included, that would just sit in front of that and just like this. They didn't do that. Like the river monster show and [ __ ] With the river monster show, that guy's fishing. Fishing's fun. He's just fishing. crazy how he just jumps down in the

21:17[ __ ] swamp and he just brings up this big demon of a fish. Big tiger fish. Yeah. That tiger fish, that crazy fish in Africa with the giant teeth. like thinking, would I do that? Would I jump out of the [ __ ] You probably would. show ended and they rebrought it They brought it back as the The search continues. We couldn't think of a better [ __ ] title than the How many The [ __ ] continues. And there's also Bigfoot Finding Bigfoot Further Evidence. Nah, further evidence? You got none. Seven Eleven. This is [ __ ] way far out there. I mean, it's it's basically printing money. Yeah. As long as the people that are like on the TV show don't get cocky, think they deserve more money, and It's Bigfoot. He's behind it. have to bring in new researchers. me, [ __ ] Keep looking.

22:01If anybody gets cocky, you might have to bring in new researchers. But then the researchers have to be accepted by the research community as a legitimate Bigfoot researcher. A legitimate Yes. Yes. We We don't tolerate outsiders here, Greg. That's a job title. I'm a No, I'm a legitimate Bigfoot Bigfoot researcher. I'm not like those [ __ ] Bigfoot researchers who just be researching [ __ ] what's interesting? Duncan and I went We hung out with Bigfoot researchers when I did that TV show for Syfy called Joe Rogan Questions Everything. Yeah. We went and hung out with these Bigfoot people. And at the end you realize it's just like, oh, you guys just need a community. This This is a community. They just need some friends. And it's a fun thing to think about. And the thing about like the Pacific Northwest, it's

22:49like the woods up there, if you haven't been, it's like a box of Q-tips. Like you can't see [ __ ] through that. You can't see 30 ft, 40 ft. Yeah. You can't see anything. It's just [ __ ] trees like everywhere. And how how much does mushrooms have to do with Bigfoot? Like there's a lot of mushrooms growing up there in the woods, dude. You're going to see a whole bunch of [ __ ] see elves. Yeah, elves, Bigfoot, like leprechauns, Santa Claus, Santa Claus, Yeah. Pretty sure. to be this big party. Why not? Thanks to shrooms to hang out with Bigfoot, and the elves, and Santa Claus. But then again, like what is happening there? Are you seeing things aren't there, or are you seeing things that are there that you can't see under normal circumstances? Well, dude, I I think I think it's the latter. I think it's

23:38if they weren't there, you wouldn't be able to perceive them, and those substances just help you to perceive things, because you're too busy over here all the time in that [ __ ] that uh brainwave circuit that you're kind of trapped in right here, this reality tunnel. This stuff over here, there's blinders. You can't see it. The only way, like what happens when you take those substances, your [ __ ] pupils dilate. Shoo, they get huge. And then all of a sudden, dude, I remember the first time that I really took a whole bunch of shrooms when I was a kid, me and a bunch of my friends, like we just got a hold of some bunch of money. I'm not going to get into that, how that happened. But you know, long story short, we turned this money into a big bag of mushrooms, and we all went down to the bowling alley and ate a whole bunch of them.

24:28And we just cruised around, you know, tried to go bowling, that didn't work out, and just shroomed out. And by the end of the night we're looking at the money that we still had, and everybody's We're, you know, we had a bunch of weed, we're passing around bowls and shrooming out. And uh we're looking at the money, and we're looking at the buildings going, the [ __ ] system has us trapped with this money. Mhm. Let's tear it up. Oh, no. Yeah. I wish I was there with you. Yeah, we we started tearing it up. Everybody All my friends who are listening to this are going to be like, he's Yeah, dude, we were all there. Cuz there was probably like eight of us. All my Yeah. Tearing up our money. you think it was? We had a [ __ ] ton of money, cuz we just I was a little [ __ ] when I was a kid, so I We don't need specifics to get the IRS chasing

25:11yeah, yeah. No, I mean, right. So anyway, It was enough money that it was a stupid thing to do. We We were little kids. No, it's, you know, we paid for it later. We got We got busted. A whole bunch of [ __ ] happened after that. But long story short, we were ripping up $10 bills. This is the '80s. Like, oh, [ __ ] 10 bucks. Yeah. And the next day you'd put it back in your pocket. We were like Yeah. What the [ __ ] was I doing? Yeah. But I think I was right. Could have went to Jimmy John's with this. Yeah, no, I mean, it's like But I think we tapped into something saying the system is [ __ ] and if we didn't tap into that, you wouldn't make it to where you did today. Like the the fact that I saw that and I started doing all those, you know, drugs and crazy [ __ ] when I was young is what led me here. And

25:53I was getting a bunch of [ __ ] for it when I was a kid, and people were saying, what are you doing? Art? Cuz I wanted do that since I was a kid. That's what I always wanted to do for my career, like album covers, comic books, [ __ ] like that. And people were like, no, you're crazy. You're never going to [ __ ] do anything with art. But I think just being uh you know, like a rebel, an outcast, that helped me. That made it possible. Well, it's the only way. Um you know, if you're a person that has like some crazy corporate job, and you get locked into that thing, it's going to be very difficult for you to break out and become an artist. Yeah. Although I actually did work for the government for the feds for a while myself. I was a I was an artist. No, I was a graphics guy for OSHA, for the Occupational Safety and Health

26:38Administration. So what did you do? Like what is I designed all the little Pamphlets and [ __ ] Like web [ __ ] hand in the machine. Don't carry stuff like this. Don't do this. And Oh. And then they'd have me edit like pictures of people who got electrocuted and got their faces blown off. Oh, no. And say, try to make this a little less bloody. Oh, god damn it, man. And yeah, that made me rethink. Bro, there's so many videos on Instagram of people getting caught in machines. You want to know the worst one? The stupidest one that I ever saw was a three dudes wanted to get high at work. They were asphalt uh layers. Mhm. And they're like, let's jump in the asphalt. No. mixer. No, no, no. jumped in there to smoke a joint. All of them died. Like three dudes. Yeah. Oh, god damn it. Cuz asphalt is deadly. Yeah. Toxic if you breathe it.

27:31It's terrible for you. Oh my god. But I mean, I had I had to kind of get into the system before I started trying to do tattoos and cuz I had young kids and stuff. I had to And it's hard to get into the art business, so I had to try to do that. Right. But then 9/11 came along and we lost our contract, cuz all the money went to military [ __ ] Mhm. And so I had to just make another plan. I tried to tattoo for a while, that didn't work out. And then got into fine art from there. How did you get into tattooing? How do you even practice that? Do you practice on like pig skin? No, practice on myself. But um My A friend of mine actually from Big Deluxe Tattoo, best shop in Salt Lake, and also Anthony Begon, what's up, Anthony? Didn't forget you. What's up? Um But so I worked at Big Deluxe for a while. My friend Rich runs that shop,

28:25and he's like just a total gangster of tattooing, and runs just a real tight ship. I apprenticed there for a while. Accidentally kicked my manager in the face, and got fired. How did you do that? I I was There's a bar next door that we always would go to after work, and I was over there just drunk as [ __ ] and there's some dude in there that like was trying to fight me or something. He's like, I'm going to kick your ass. And so I I was like, all right, go outside. I'm going to finish my beer. I'm going to I'll be out there in a minute. And I was training lots of Muay Thai at the time, so I was, you know, I was ready to like do whatever. And so I walk out the door, and my friend's holding the door open, and I was like, where is this dude that is trying to kick my ass? And he's like, right here, [ __ ] He takes a swing at me.

29:10And I barely ducked it, went down the sidewalk. I was like, all right, let's go. And I thought, as soon as he gets within range, I'm just going to hit him with that high kick. Right. And so he gets within range, I throw up the high kick, I spin around, And you miss, and you hit your boss. Cuz he was going, break it up. I didn't even see him. Oh, no. He's running out of the shop, cuz he saw us going by the sidewalk. The window's right there. He's like, oh, Greg, come on. And he goes like this, seriously, just hands out. So you went full rotation on the high kick. Good Good job. wasn't good for Wasn't good for him. It would have been good. Yeah. Good technique. I did. I mean, like I said, I got I got to train some good Muay Thai in Utah. There was a couple good schools there when I was young. tall dude, too. You have good long kicks.

29:53Yeah. So, that was my thing. If I could get out of the way, if I could hit you with a kick, you say good night. So, he fired you for that? Well, I knocked his teeth out and stuff. didn't do it on purpose. They wouldn't believe me. Oh, come on. Well, They thought you were trying to hit him instead of hitting the other guy? Yeah. They probably still do. I didn't [ __ ] do it, Mike. But Well, how hammered were you, though? [ __ ] hammered. So [ __ ] hammered I couldn't even see. That's why I was like, I'm just going to throw out this long kick and and take him out, you know? But then I I thought cuz the dude's still standing there like Juggernaut. And I thought I hit him with my best kick. So, I'm like, this dude has to go. Oh, no. And so, then I'm like, all right, judo for you. I [ __ ] hip tossed him onto

30:36the concrete. And I started to You know that when you have like a scarf hold and you try to do the chicken wing with your leg, though. And so, I was pushing out the hip getting ready to break his shoulder. And his [ __ ] girlfriend kicked me in the face cuz she was watching the fight. Mhm. That's the problem with the ground game in the street, bro. Always, dude. And so, he scurries away. And I ran over and grabbed him and was like, no, you don't. Put him in a car. Ah, dropped an elbows on him. And then she wasn't done yet. This dude's girlfriend was badass. She fish hooked me. And [ __ ] ripped up my cheek. And I somehow I got her [ __ ] finger out of my mouth. And then I was like, I'm just going to kill this [ __ ] now. He's going to be no good to you at all. And then just you know, hit him with a bunch of knees

31:21and took off. Goddamn bar fights are stupid. That was a long long time ago. Like I was still, you know, It all worked out. Yeah. Isn't it funny how those doors close? Doors close in your life, new door opens. Well, I called I called up the next day and I was like, dude, I'm going to be a little late. And Rich is like, no, you're going to be a little fired, [ __ ] You kicked Mike in the face. Oh, no, I did not. I did not. I swear. Oh, no. So, but they every you know, everybody's laughing about it now. I'm sure those Street fights are so stupid. Yeah. Please, folks, if you're listening, don't do it. Don't do it. Don't Y'all could have died. We all could have died. And even the person who kills you, they wish they didn't do it. Yeah. Don't do it. No, I I know people that have accidentally killed killed people in street fights

32:14and stuff. Here's a a guy who was a pedophile who just got caught the other day. There's a bunch of these videos where these guys um they they like bait pedophiles. Like they bait them on social media. Like the old show To Catch a Predator. Catch a Predator. Yeah, there's a bunch of guys doing that on YouTube, right? And this one guy got caught. I only watched the clip of the guy getting punched. And some guy walks up to him. I think the dude is wearing a mask. And he has said something like, I got kids, [ __ ] And he soccer punched this dude in the head. And the dude fall He's an old guy, too. And he falls. And you hear that bang of his head bouncing off the sidewalk. Yeah. I'm like, oh my god, that guy's [ __ ] And I'm pretty sure he's dead. I'm pretty sure he died. Which happens. I don't I tried to follow up, too. I don't know if he died.

33:02heard about it, too, right? Yeah, so this is it. I'm not going to show it on the screen. So, show real quick. I don't know if we can. Oh, it's illegal? I don't It's not our content. Okay, it's not ours. Well, don't show it on the screen, then. There, right there. Bam. See? That dude bounces his head off. And the other guy runs off. But the sound of that guy's head hitting the concrete is just horrible. And that's how people die. That's how you die. don't realize how strong they are if they [ __ ] hit someone. You're a full-grown man, you know? Did you Google it whether or not he's dead? This is the follow-up right here. That's a video, though. Did you Google I read a story that said he died in the hospital. I'll check, I guess. ago was this? It's 5 days ago. Yeah, I think I read a story much more recently that he died in the hospital.

33:48I don't know if that's true, though. Because, you know, like everything is just for clicks now. Like Bill Maher just pointed this up that there was a an article that said there's a 300% rise in measles in the United States. Do you know how many cases that is? 35. 300 from nothing. Yeah, well, that is I was like, I don't know anybody with measles. I don't think I've ever met anyone with measles. It's very rare these days, you know? But the fact that they wrote that in an article of 300% rise in measles and everybody goes into a hot panic. And then you find out it's 35 people. like back in the day maybe in the [ __ ] '50s or something, wouldn't they have jumped on that [ __ ] if it was in in the newspaper and we found out about it? You lying [ __ ] There There's just so many people bullshitting these days. And we

34:34let them get away with it. And they've been bullshitting since the beginning. That's how weed is still illegal. Weed is still illegal because of William Randolph Hearst, who ran Hearst publications. And William Randolph Hearst is the guy who started printing those stories in the paper about marijuana. Yeah. You know, that was marijuana was a name for wild Mexican tobacco. It was a slang for wild Mexican tobacco. Cannabis was like well well known. Huh. And so, they started saying it was a new drug called marijuana. And it was causing Mexicans and black guys to rape white white Cuz they would use it after work cuz they weren't drinking. No, it wasn't real. They were They were calling it that because they were trying to get cannabis I'm saying they would actually get high. They were trying They weren't doing anything. They were trying to get marijuana to be

35:19illegal because they wanted hemp out of business for paper. That's what it was. For nylon. Right? Yes. Nylon, DuPont had come up with the patent for nylon. Yeah. And then there was also paper mills. Like William Randolph Hearst owned forests that they would cut down to make trees. So, he owned paper mills as well. And hemp paper was a superior paper. And so, when they came out with the decorticator, which was a machine that was much better at processing hemp fiber, and they had it in Popular Mechanics magazine. So, they started this campaign against hemp by creating this boogeyman of a a drug called marijuana that made people crazy. It's just so they can make money. that's the newspapers in the '30s, man. So, they've been doing this [ __ ] forever. They've been doing the same [ __ ] thing forever. I wonder if there was ever a time

36:06when the the media and the information was like working for us, like the the You know what I mean? Like there's been people that have been working for us. But there's always been stories that were like heavily influenced by the intelligence community and by, you know, by special interest groups. And that's always been the case, man. Journalists have always been on the take. A certain percentage of them. There's a certain percentage of journalists that are just [ __ ] artists. They're not Cuz all they are is people. They all Yeah. That's it. All they are. And they're people doing a job. Like that's their job. They work at this place that says, "Hey, I want you to concoct this [ __ ] story." And they have to do it. It's the same thing as like, dude, I think the whole [ __ ] problem with the government is lobbyists. When I was

36:48a little kid and I was super patriotic like as a little kid and I loved the Constitution. I think it's just is so cool the the checks and balances and the way that thing is supposed to work is amazing. Awesome. But then I heard about the lobbyists. And I remember as I probably a 10- or 12-year-old kid going, what? And and the teacher would say, yeah, yeah, it's their job to go and try to influence our senators. And I'm like, that don't seem right. And what do they do? They take them to lunch and they buy them [ __ ] to [ __ ] convince them to make Okay. Get those [ __ ] out of there. And then we're good. Cuz then all they got to do is answer to me. And I'm the one paying them. They're trying to get extra [ __ ] money. That's the same thing as if I was like you know, working for a gallery and then

37:39selling art on the side or some [ __ ] You can't do that. I mean, you could. And you know what happens? What? Like and like customers will come up to you and say I saw your [ __ ] at a gallery. And I want to buy it directly from you. And so, then it's on you. Is that Do you have a deal like with a gallery where like if you have your stuff up in the gallery that they have to sell your stuff only through that gallery? I mean, it Does it vary? Well, yeah, cuz sometimes you have to sign you sign an exclusive. And then some galleries will front you a bunch of money. So, every deal is different. But right now I do I don't sign exclusive deals. I just say you know, you show my stuff. I still sell a ton on my own on my own. But you do that now because you're established. Yeah. But if they see it in the gallery and they come to me and

38:28they say, we saw it in the gallery, we've only seen it there, then I'll try to get the sale to go through the gallery to actually still cut them in. Yeah. Cuz that's not really right. Right. That's right. That's the right way to do it cuz they saw it in the gallery. That's the whole benefit of the working relationship of you being in a gallery. I mean, that's how I found you. Galleries are always surprised when you do it. But who When you bought the painting you bought from me, you had to go through the gallery, right? Yeah. But I could have said, bro, [ __ ] the gallery. Just buy it from me. but that wouldn't be cool. Right. Exactly. Right. In that sense, I understand what you're saying. Yeah. But is there a situation with some artists where they have their pieces up in a gallery and they're not even allowed to be

39:04commissioned to make a piece outside of the gallery? I think if if they have an exclusive contract and they've fronted you money. And if you come to them and say, hey, I haven't sold anything, can you front me some more money? And they're going to take care of you. Okay. So, it's the fronting the money is the issue. Or the just the specificity. happens. Okay. Like that's So, for the most part, like say if I went into a gallery and I saw some piece and it was really dope. And they connected me to the artist. And And I get her email. And I contact her. And I said, hey, I really love this. I'm thinking of something along this theme. Can I contract you to do something like that? Can I commission you to do something like that? And they say, yes. Would she still have to go through the gallery, you think? What do you think the right thing to do is though for the

39:48artist? I think the right thing, if you find out about them through the gallery, is probably go through the gallery. Yeah, that makes that makes sense. Yeah. And then like the gallery knows you're loyal. Yeah. Also, galleries are dope. Like you want we want to keep them open. You know, like I [ __ ] love going to galleries. I just I love seeing all the different I just love different people's expressions, you know, whether it's through music or through painting or illustration or sculpture, whatever it is. I'm I'm just interested in the things people create. And so if there's a place we can go and it's all just [ __ ] that people created, like I'm all in. Yeah. You know, I love galleries. need more of that. Yes. You know. more of that and we need more encouraging people to create things. You know, it's it's a very valuable

40:31commodity that's seen as frivolous until it's not. It's seen as a no big deal until it's worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. It's a very strange world. It It is, but like I mean we think about it and it's like what we were talking about earlier, how this system is so much [ __ ] and it's so dry and [ __ ] empty and there's just nothing to it, but they have to slot you in and make you [ __ ] tow the line and your your life's so [ __ ] boring and [ __ ] but if you get into art, whatever art it is, whether it's your music, at least you have a solace of some kind that you can come home to. So I what I aspired to do was to provide powerful stuff that people that like there out there doing crazy [ __ ] all day, like you, doing stuff that's affecting the world. Like they're they

41:19got a bunch of stuff on their mind all the time. But just for 1 minute they look at that painting and they're like now I know why the I remember why I'm doing all this. It's for the spirit. It's for the the essence of life. It's to try to make life better Mhm. for all of us. Yeah. You know, that's what art is really supposed to do is try to communicate to you that like you do matter. We all matter. We all matter together and we're not actually separate because if you can relate to this and I can relate to this, maybe we can forget about all the [ __ ] that they're trying to make us fight about Yeah. and just [ __ ] check out a show. Yeah. You know. Absolutely. We matter to each other. Yeah. That's what's really important. Even if you think you don't matter in the great scheme of things, like when people get

42:03like real morose and they start thinking about life as being futile and there's no reason it's why go on and generally that's people that are disconnected from other people. They don't have anybody like real close that they can hang out with that they love. Yeah. You know, and people need that in life. It's uh you need you need a tribe. Yeah. You do. We're We're tribal people. You need a tribe like your family should be your tribe, your friends should be your tribe. You know, you you need groups of people and that's a that's a wonderful life. That's a joy-filled life. If you can have a life filled with people that you enjoy hanging out with. Yeah. If you could do it right. Yeah. And those those people that think that they don't matter, that they are alone, you know, don't underestimate the like the potential you have to actually affect people's lives.

42:55Sure, you could turn it around, too. How you feel right now is horrible and as dark as it seems, this is not how you're going to feel always. You just have to trust in this process. And you got to do something. It was a funny uh little Instagram clip that I put on my stories the other day that this lady was talking about how she feels down and then someone asked her uh did you get enough sleep? Nope. Have you been exercising? Nope. Have you been eating well? Nope. Have you gone outside? Nope. Have you stayed off your phone? Nope. Okay. Why should you feel good? Exactly. But that's our that's our I was saying, I'm broke. Did you go to work? Did you [ __ ] save your money? Right. Do you have people in your life that you love? Do you have a thing that you do that you love? If you don't have those things, you're going to have a

43:38rough time of it. You know, that's what we we're here for. We're here for uh doing things that we love or that are satisfying and being with people that we love. And if you don't have those things, you're you're in a tough spot. And you know, the the cold hard truth is for a lot of people, you have to be someone worthy of other people's appreciation, too. Like what have you done? Who are you? What you know, what what how what's your character like? What are you like when you talk to people? Are you nice? Are you fun? Are you good to be around? Are you Do you complain a lot? Mhm. You know, and you want the world to be better, but you complain all the time. You're just a [ __ ] Debbie Downer. Is that what you are? Yeah. Cuz guess what? Nobody wants to be around you and you're going to be depressed now. Like you you're making people feel

44:20like [ __ ] You got to get out of that whatever mindset spiral you're in and come up with a better way to interface with humanity. Yeah. Cuz it's it's all about perspective, dude. You know. Like you could I was walking around Austin earlier today. I've never been here before. I was just taking a walk. Is this your first trip? Yeah. Nice. I I like I don't [ __ ] I go to like art towns for shows. It's all about business when I travel. I'm just doing shows and going home and making more paintings. But just walking around a little bit down here, I was just like god, this really is I can look around and just see how [ __ ] cool this place is and how all these people built all this stuff and they're building it and everybody's doing something here and I'm part of it. And I get to just sit here and chill and

45:06like take it all in and go wow, [ __ ] I'm in this new city. But they're building They've got cranes on the tops of all the buildings. The restaurants look all vital. And [ __ ] I love to see that and I'm like, dude, all these people have good perspective. Not all of them. Well, I mean like more more It's a good vibe, right? And the overall good vibe of the city, right? Yeah. I I didn't know what to expect, but I was like impressed. I was like, this place seems pretty cool and I realized that's my perspective. I'm looking for the good. Mhm. Right? But somebody else might be in the same exact spot and they would only notice the weird homeless dude over there that they they hope that he doesn't come over here and ask them for some money or they're stressing out about their bills or whatever it is. And I'm just sitting here thinking, no,

45:53well, [ __ ] perspective. Look at how [ __ ] cool life is. Cuz it it really is, dude. I think we've all gotten so [ __ ] up with by these little cell phones that have kind of captured us that we kind of forget. Just go outside. Yeah. You know. Go outside and experience some things. It's just hard to do when you're stuck. If you're at home and you're just like staring at your phone, it's hard to like put it down and start moving. It's hard, but you really have to. It's a trap. It's trying to get us to get sucked into the machine, kids, and it's coming. And if you think it's difficult to resist now, just wait. Yeah. Just wait. But just don't let your tolerance get all low. Like don't just keep [ __ ] with it. Like right now go camping. Yeah. Right now go learn to ride a horse. I don't know about that. You know. You get

46:41hurt. Right. I got some crazy horse stories. a lot of people that have some crazy horse stories. I went down to the think they like to be ridden. No, check this out, dude. I'll tell you something funny. I went I went down on a photo shoot to the Navajo reservation years ago, like probably about five or six, maybe seven years ago. And the Apaches and the Navajos were kind of doing a peace ceremony and I was down there with uh like this Native photographer and just a couple friends. We were all hanging out like Navajos and and and we ran into this uh Navajo family. There's this this dude that just got back from the military and like his little brother and his little sister and we're all just hanging out like cuz I just take pictures to get ideas for paintings and meet people and just go do stuff and go to the reservation. That's what gives me the ideas.

47:27And so everybody's riding horses and I haven't ridden a horse since I was a little kid in Montana, but I I learned how. I knew I rode horses every day as a little kid, like 10 years old or so. We'd ride them to town. And so all these Indians are out there riding their horses and I want to fit in. I was like, I'm going to jump up on one of these horses. And I jump up on one of the trail horses that's been out on the trail ride all day and and this I have these long ass legs. Everyone else's like shorter than me, so the stirrups aren't long enough for me. So I jump up on there and I'm all kind of off balance and the horse gets weirded out and just [ __ ] takes off at a full run across the desert. Ran for like a mile, dude, and I'm [ __ ] like it's bucking me and it's like I thought about jumping off and everything. god.

48:14I'd been training jujitsu at the time, so I had the like the strong jujitsu grip that you get. Right. Right. grabbed the saddle horn and just hold on to it. I'm like, I'm not jumping. I'm going to wear this [ __ ] out. And he ran for about a mile. reins? You didn't have a hold of the reins? reins. Oh my god. He was running, dude. I wasn't ready for it. He just took off. But I didn't fall off. I didn't jump off. Holy [ __ ] dude. finally got tired and I turned him around and walked him back to where we were all hanging out. And everyone's like, we thought we were going to be peeling you off the prairie. And my horse like puts his head down and taps the ground. I said, I made this [ __ ] tap. I jumped off. Oh, dude. Isn't it interesting that you can break horses? They get wild horses and they can break

49:01them. They break them and get them to the point where they can ride them. It's very strange It's a strange animal. Like you yeah. I mean, dude, horses are amazing. And then I got to go down to a ranch in in uh New Mexico and learned to ride a bunch a few years ago and I I got good enough where I was running and controlling the horse and It's kind of like a version a real version of uh Avatar. When they have to hop on those dragons and they have to like merge with them. They are exactly [ __ ] like that, dude. like that, right? Exactly. Cuz there's this like thing that's way more powerful than you, but for some weird reason you guys sync up together. And if it likes you, it It like stomp out rattlesnakes for you. And if it doesn't like you, it'll go over to the rocks and Yeah, chuck you off. [ __ ] off, [ __ ] Yeah, you have to

49:44have a good relationship with that animal. Yeah. And it's a it has to be a real relationship. But you can't be out of fear. That animal has to love you. Yeah. And and you have to love it. It's like dogs. Yep. Exactly. Exactly. They called them sacred dogs. Mhm. The Lakota did. Yeah. Yeah, a dog you ride. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, dogs and humans have very strange relationships. Very strange. You know, there's there's there's a some sort of a sinking of the minds that's it's not as simple as the dog recognizes that it gets food from you and no, no, no. This is like this weird love. Yeah. Well, did you ever see that show that was about how uh humans and canines like evolved together? Yeah, I have seen it. Yeah. Dude, I mean, I have two dogs. Like they're uh part husky, part Akita. They're like they're like the primal breed. So, they kind of they look like wolves. They kind

50:38of act like that. Yeah. Like dude, those dogs are my best friends. You know? Yeah. They pull we go around the neighborhood. They pull me on my skateboard and I know that they know that I'm their friend. Right. And it's like I know if if like if I'm having a bad day or if I'm just like stressed out or something and I do this or something, they'll come right up to you be like, "What's wrong, bro?" I was in the gym today stretching out and uh I was doing this crazy back stretch and it's it's kind of painful. So, I'm like, And next thing you know, Marshall's face is like right there kissing me. I'm like, "It's all good, dude. I'm just stretching." And he's like, "Hey, did that stretch hurt you?" He just wanted to make sure I'm okay. It was just funny. Yeah. It's funny they just sync up to you. They just there's something about whatever the that

51:28relationship is, it's so unique to dogs. It's so different than any other animal. Yeah. You know? It well, it's a They're concerned about you. Yeah. Other animals I don't think are concerned about you. Like your cat's not that concerned about you. I don't know. He'll rip your [ __ ] face off if you die and [ __ ] Instantly. If you like you break your leg, your cat's going to go, "Oh, this guy's [ __ ] loud." Let me go over there. That [ __ ] snap really Yeah. I the other day we were working out in the gym um with all the comedians and Marshall was with us and I started kicking the bag and he starts barking. He starts jumping up and down and barking cuz he thinks like some shit's going down. Is that bag [ __ ] with you? Like what's happening here? I know. I know that's hilarious. I was like, "That's the other

52:09stuff that we did, we did all those kettlebell workouts, we pushed the sled. That was all fine. But once I started hitting the bag, he's like, "What the [ __ ] is going on? They can tell the difference, dude. They can tell the difference between like actual violence. Yeah. Yeah, they they understand what violence is. It's weird. It is, dude. It's like how does he why why is that different to him than me lifting a thing? Or me grunting or pushing a sled. Like what I don't understand what that's totally why we kept them around cuz they were like as soon as [ __ ] starts to go down, you jump in. I'm going to get my knife. Yeah. Take care of the you hit them low, I'll hit them high. that they're with you. Yeah, they have to protect you. [ __ ] The you like that happens with people, you know, if they get

52:52in some sort of a like brothers and sisters get in fights together. The dog [ __ ] tries to jump in. Yeah. It happens all the all the time. Yeah. You know, if two girls are beating the [ __ ] out of each other and a dog jumps like just at a party, dude. How many times have you seen that? I don't know. Somebody's just pushing and shoving and pitbull's got your arm. Yeah. Oh, no. And then you got nerve damage now. He's like, "You [ __ ] playing [ __ ] alligator." Yeah. Oh, dude. Those [ __ ] things. Yeah, they don't understand that either. Yeah. Especially dudes, they get a little too loud when they're playing. Yeah. And the dog's like, "Oh, some shit's going down." Hey, the dog Do you think so? Yeah. [ __ ] This isn't your house. Yeah. This is my house. Yeah, they they

53:30And I'm not drunk. They don't get the rules. Yeah. They don't get the rules of engagement. That thing in the Avatar is so wild when they they sync up and they they link their their tails to the their their hair thing. Yeah, his like ponytail to the Yeah. Yeah. It's really is kind of what happens with a horse. Well, everything is kind of, you know, based on something. You know what I mean? Like fiction stuff. You get that idea from somewhere. Well, haven't people said that Avatar's like Pocahontas in space? I thought they said it's like Dances with Wolves from space and that pissed me off. Well, cuz my my mentor, a friend of mine wrote Dances with Wolves. Oh, really? He's like one of my best influences that guided me in my career, Michael Blake. He's a pro, dude. It wasn't about they say oh, the white savior story. He's coming to save the Indians. That's some

54:19[ __ ] I'm like, "Did you watch the [ __ ] movie? Who saved who?" The white guy didn't save the Indians. They saved him. They're he learned from the Indians how to be a good person. There's nothing wrong with that [ __ ] story. I barely remember that movie. I remember it was really good, but I barely remember it. Well, he he told Oh, sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Um It moves around. Yeah, he told me that he came up with that idea by he heard a story where a supply train, a wagon train pulled up to a like an abandoned camp, a civil or not civil or like an army camp. And he heard that story. And he thought, "Well, what would I do if I was that guy? Would I just go back to the base, to the army base or would I stay there and try to figure out what happened?" And he said he just came up with the whole thing based on putting himself there. Mhm. In

55:13his imagination. Right. Right? And he's just such a cool [ __ ] dude. Like I remember I was saying, you know, this is years ago I said, "I want to be the next Howard Terpning." Which is like the big Western artist. He's like, "No, dude. Don't be the next anything. Be the first Greg Overton. Mhm. Just be you. Yeah. You know? And hearing that, like the that movie was a big influence on me. Cuz when I saw that and got a Howard Terpning book, that's what really got me back into Western art. Cuz as a as a teenager, I was doing all the punk art. Like I did album covers for a lot of the bands from Salt Lake and was trying to draw comic books and [ __ ] like that. But as soon as I saw that movie and got the Howard Terpning book, that's what really brought me back to the Native American stuff. And I was like, "This is what I'm going to do." I think

56:03what's so interesting about the Native Americans one of the things that's interesting I should say about the Native American stuff is that we didn't really understand what was even happening until the 20th century and now the 21st century. We didn't really have an understanding of like how their cultures worked and how they interacted with each other. The way it was depicted in mainstream media was always cowboy and Indian movies. It was like this very crude kind of simplistic version of what they did. We didn't really understand, you know, much about Native American culture until people started started writing these like Empire of the Summer Moon, some of these amazing books where you get a real understanding of like like Black Elk Speaks, like those kind of things. We you actually hear from the people that lived that life. Like what was that like? Cuz

56:52our version of it was all just stupid movies. John Wayne movies and [ __ ] And then Clint Eastwood took it to another level. Like especially The Outlaw Josey Wales. [ __ ] yeah. Yeah, when he meets with that Comanche guy and Ten Bears. Yeah, and him and Ten Bears have this conversation about what's going to go down. Yeah. You words have iron. Yeah. Your words have death. Yeah, it's a heavy scene. Will Sampson, that was like Yeah, that was one of the best movies ever, dude. That's a great [ __ ] movie. That's a great [ __ ] movie. Yeah. That's a fun movie. But that's that's like the real Comanche Texas Ranger cuz he was a Texas Ranger type dude. You know what I mean? And those are those are both just awesome icons of the West. We should respect both of those. Yeah. Because they neither one of them

57:41were like a hero or a villain purely. I mean, the Comanche, they were a [ __ ] empire. They were they were out for conquest. They were colonizing the [ __ ] out of they took all the horses and they're like, "Fuck you. We're taking it." Yeah, they they committed raids on other Native American tribes all the time. I mean, they were they were ruthless. I mean, we've talked about this before with the just the name Sioux. That wasn't their name. Then that was the name for enemy. Yeah. Their their name was the Lakota people. That's what they called themselves. But everybody else called them the enemy. Yeah. They were [ __ ] everybody up. Because they're wiping them out. unity amongst Native American tribes. I mean, it was really no different than the interactions that we have with other countries. Like sometimes you're

58:24connected to them and you you're allies and sometimes you're at war. And sometimes it's the same groups of people that you used to be allies and now you're at war or you used to be at war and now you're allies. Like United States and Japan. Perfect example. You know? I mean, that's probably one of the best examples in modern times. Yeah. We literally dropped indiscriminate nuclear bombs on two of their cities. And now we buy their cars and go there for Disneyland. That's what one of your friends Sorry, I nuked your [ __ ] house, bro. It was almost 80 years ago, dude. Let it go. I just nuked your [ __ ] house. Come on. Let it go. You wouldn't stop fighting, bro. Apparently they're like, "Dude, you didn't get our memo. We we're going to stop fighting." You guys just wanted to try out your [ __ ] bomb. Yeah, I just

59:10wanted to you just wanted to flex and you you you just wanted to flex your [ __ ] nuke power and you still want to go to vacation in [ __ ] Europe, [ __ ] That's what Imagine seeing the first nuke go off and realize that nothing's ever going to be the same again. When they dropped that first nuke on a city, just like, "Oh my god, what have you done? What have you done? And what precedent have you set?" It's kind of really truly amazing that we haven't done it since then. Yeah. That's what makes you believe in the aliens and multi-dimensional beings and [ __ ] Really? That Well, cuz It's me Isn't it just mutually assured destruction as well? No, no. I'm saying like when humanity got all the nuclear bombs and [ __ ] that's when you start to see all the sightings and stuff. Mhm. So, that that's why it kind of

59:55makes sense that they'd be like, "Oh, what are you doing? We can't let you blow up your whole [ __ ] planet before you even evolve to your first level cuz for all we know, we're still white belts." Right. Well, leafcutter ants have no idea that you have a car. They have no idea. They have no idea what a a Bitcoin is. Yeah. They have no idea, you know, what 4G is. They don't know [ __ ] They just know about cutting leaves and being ants. Right. They're But, they're around it all the time. It's very possible that there's some [ __ ] like that in other dimensions that are equally bizarre that we just we we are not connected to all the time. And they might be here all the time. And if that's the case, then it makes sense that they would start showing up when we were in the middle of dropping nukes on each other. They'd be

60:41like, "Hey, hey, hey, hey." Be like when your parents heard you just beating the [ __ ] out of each other in the other room, they come in there like, "All right, [ __ ] settle down." boys. You're going to [ __ ] up the drywall now. Yeah, you guys are crashing into [ __ ] TVs and [ __ ] They're like, "Hey." That's all it is. We're just their dumb kids in the next room making a bunch of noise. Because maybe they needed to let us know like, "Hey, there's some there's some other folks here and they're way more advanced and settle the [ __ ] down." And we're trying to bring you along, just, you know. The problem is with all that stuff is it's so hard to know what's true and what's [ __ ] Just like the Bigfoot thing. It's so hard to Well, the Bigfoot thing's way easier, right? But, the the

61:22UFO thing see there's way more evidence. It it's so hard to know what's [ __ ] This is so hard. It's so hard to know who's telling the truth and who's lying. It's so hard to know what involvement the government has in terms of like how many of these things are drones. You know, you're hearing now that a lot of these people that believe that these things are flying around, they think that what we're dealing with is some sort of government drone. And that a lot of this off-world craft talk is really just misinformation so that they don't have to take accountability for having some crazy thing that China doesn't have or maybe China has that we don't have. And then what they want to lie about it. You know, and try to develop whatever the [ __ ] they have. Yeah. And when you find out what they're really doing, then

62:09it's like, "Okay, now this makes sense." Mhm. Now that makes sense cuz you're having to [ __ ] do all this to develop that. Well, you know, there's a whole conspiracy about the invention of the transistor. Cuz the transistor came about right after Roswell. And there's a company called Bell Labs. And Bell Labs was they I believe they were the people that invented the transistor. And there was a military base right outside of Bell Labs. And they had always said that that military base was to protect New York City. But, it's pretty far from New York City. Like, if you wanted to protect New York City, put a base a lot closer. You wouldn't You wouldn't put it so far away where it'd take them like 40 minutes to fly there. Yeah. But, Bell Labs is a wild place. And that was one of the main focal points of conspiracy theorists when they were talking about back

63:02engineering stuff from crashed UFOs was fiber optics and transistors. And that they all came about very shortly after Roswell. And people don't exactly know how they figured those out. They probably those were probably the the like the most basic things that they recovered. So, they are the easiest to figure out. So, that's why we had them first. And there's like it's just like those [ __ ] PlayStations. How they release a better one every few years. Maybe they had PlayStation 5 in '95, but they're still giving us PlayStation 1. Cuz they want to sell all five. can't just give us a time machine. Yeah. to give us a spaceship first. Yeah. Like, first of all, you got to figure out travel, you morons. And we won't even need a [ __ ] spaceship once we got a time machine. Yeah. Then we'll give you the Big Bang machine. Yeah.

63:48That takes time. You got to get to a higher level civilization. Have you heard of a Dyson sphere? Do you know what a Dyson sphere is? I've heard of it. What is it? I don't know. Well, it's a a massive structure that some astronomers believe could indicate highly advanced uh intelligent life somewhere in the universe. They've never been discovered, but they've been theorized that these There's this article that I was reading yesterday about it. If you See if you can find it. So, it can like tell you where it would be? think they're massive structures that are like literally like a structure the size of a solar system. And somebody made that and those [ __ ] things are out there? Well, this is this is just theorized, right? When they were talking about the highest potential level of technological ability that you could get to? Yeah, I

64:36mean, imagine if you got to a place where you had a self-contained solar system that's completely controlled by these intelligent beings, but that's immune to all of the hazards What if we're in that [ __ ] We might be. That's the simulation. be. We might be. We might be. And Thanos is like a type two civilization, one that can directly harness harvest, rather, the energy of its star using a Dyson sphere or something similar. So, it like is solar powered, basically. Well, I don't know what the [ __ ] it is. I mean, I think it's totally theoretical. There's no there's no real versions of them that are out there. But, the idea is that if technological proficiency and innovation continues at the level that it is now for millions of years, what does it get to? Yeah. But, you know what? It's probably going to get weirder than that.

65:25Cuz the [ __ ] you can imagine. Like, remember the '80s when you [ __ ] had a Walkman? Right. Whoa, what are they going to have in a few years? Right. I'll be able to, you know, you probably thought it was still going to be a cassette tape. Like, when you watch The Fifth Element or Blade Runner, Mhm. they're still using [ __ ] telephones. They didn't even think of cell phones. Right. But, that's our most obvious thing that we have right now. Star Trek, they had a walkie-talkie. Yeah. Kirk out. Right. Cuz you're you're still like relating it from like 1960 military [ __ ] space. Yeah. Right? Exactly, dude. That's not the Unreal 5 engine. going to [ __ ] God of War? Mhm. Holy [ __ ] keep going. That's what I think artificial intelligence is. I think And this is a I don't really think this.

66:11This is just a thought. Maybe the universe is God. And maybe the way God is created is through intelligent life. That intelligent life creates a far superior version of itself in artificial intelligence. And that creates a far better version of itself infinitely. They just keep making better versions of itself as it has more of an understanding and more capacity and it grows and it makes better versions of itself. It's eventually going to get to god-like powers. The the power to create universes, the create power to create solar systems, the power to stop time, reverse time, the power to traverse immense distances instantaneously. It'll just have it'll have capabilities that we could only imagine. We could always just we could just imagine if and it can do that. Yeah. I mean, if if we look at how we're living right now in comparison

67:09to how people were living when they were making those those cave paintings. Like, wow. Yeah. Insane. Insane. to [ __ ] That's not going to stop right here. Yeah, but what's the things they can do? The 3D printing? 3D printing? That's [ __ ] crazy, dude. insane. I mean, Well, you know, that's what they think the spaceships are made out of now. Yeah. Like, when Bob Lazar was first examining if he's telling the truth. When Bob Lazar was first examining the spaceships, the thing that blew him away was there was no seams. It didn't make any sense. Like, how how could one even make something like this? Well, now that we know there's 3D printers and you could make something like that. Yeah. You could I mean, I don't think you could make it that scale yet. But, if you had enough of a capability, you had machines that could do it.

67:50I mean, if we thought of it and we're doing it and they're [ __ ] Right. 60 million light-years ahead of us. Right. Like, who's to say they're not? Who's to say they're not 60,000 years ahead of us or 600,000 or 6 million? Or, like, think about it. If you have a [ __ ] time machine, you could go back to check out some [ __ ] that already happened, but you could also go forward. I mean, we just have no comprehension of what you could Maybe you could like start a project in your lab, right? And then travel and you get all these [ __ ] AI robots to work on it. And then you travel way forward in time and go get it. And then bring it back. Ooh. And then it's like the [ __ ] ultimate thing. Ooh. You know? Like, that's what I'd be doing if I had time machines. I'd be like, "All right.

68:38I'm going to get all these [ __ ] helpers to build these awesome monuments and then I'm going to go in forward in time and check on it. All right, did you You know what I mean? Like, it would just give you if you could manipulate time and travel through time like it's an element. Like, did you Have you ever checked would you you wouldn't be able to experience it. Because like you would always be involved in time being manipulated. So, there'd be no static time. So, even in this static time, something could intervene instantaneously, always. For forever. if we don't really understand the nature of time to make those definitions? What if you could If you could get this time machine, what if you could kind of like step out of time in a lot of different ways that you don't think would You know what I'm saying? Right, right, right. Like, you could go

69:23into a timeline and you don't even necessarily affect that timeline. If you know how to just observe it. Right. And not like physically disturb it. But you do affect it if you go forward in the future. The idea of a time machine, the current idea of a time machine, is that you can't travel where there are no roads. So once a time machine is invented, then everything from that time that time machine is invented forward becomes a completely different way of using time. Because time now is non-linear. Time now anyone can go. So everything happens all at once. So people from the future will be traveling back to the moment where the first time machine is invented. So everything will change instantly. Yeah. Because if you're going to you're going to invent a time machine and you live a million years in the future assuming that humans even exist if a

70:18time machine gets invented. I mean, we might become obsolete almost instantaneously. But you would if you were a live human being a million years after the time machine is invented, you would want to go back to the moment the thing was made. You would you'd want and so the moment they turn that [ __ ] on, everything changes forever. Yeah. Singularity. Yeah, that might be the real singularity. And that was one of McKenna's theories. Terence McKenna believed that we were going to come up with a time machine. He thought that that was going to happen around December 21st, 2012. Well, have you you checked out his Time Wave Zero and all that stuff? Yeah. Yeah. And you know how they came up with that, those Taoist priests and [ __ ] How did they? The [ __ ] I Ching dude. They would go into deep meditations and they would take

71:02mushrooms too. And they found out that that time can be mapped and like predicted. That's where the [ __ ] I Ching comes from. People in the 60s got all into the I Ching. The I Ching is like a game, right? No, it's a it's a book. It's made up of I'm not like an expert on it. But isn't there a game that's involved with the I Ching that McKenna sort of patented Time Wave Zero Zero Time Wave Zero on. I don't I don't know if he made a game of it, but it's not I Ching a game? It's like a fortune-telling system. what it's like. It's like a form of div Divination. Divination, right. Yeah, it is like a fortune-telling thing. That's what it is. It's not a game. Yeah. I was trying to remember how he I haven't heard his stuff in a long time. Try to remember how he described it. But most people that have looked at Time Wave Zero think it's kind of nonsense.

71:51Including guys like Paul Stamets. They're like, "He's He was he's probably tripping real hard when he came up with that." I don't know. I think it's above their head, dude. It might be. I think It also is a ridiculous thing to um subscribe to. So a lot of people are reluctant to like open theirself up to ridicule. But so is everything. Everything's ridiculous. What's what's all these like religions and everything that everybody [ __ ] is into? Everything's ridiculous. Nothing is Taoism and Time Wave Zero isn't any more ridiculous than anything else that people are [ __ ] tarot cards. It's I think it's really interesting cuz those I really get into ancient Chinese culture. Like I was into you know, kung fu at a young age. So I've studied a lot of Chinese philosophy, Taoism, all that stuff. Those people were highly intelligent,

72:39spiritual people who were doing deep meditations and discovering really profound truths, you know? I think that we are at a level where we're so intellectual that we're almost too intellectual. So it's almost like we can only we can only think about things in this scale. Like people see in a certain uh frequency. They can only see certain lights, but like dogs can hear sounds we can't hear others. So it's it's just like that. It's like our [ __ ] intellect is like this and we can figure out all but Cuz we exist within the context of our culture. Cuz we've fallen in love with this. Right. But there's also this and your your your spirit that that's what figured out the Tao Te Ching. That's what figured out you know, how to tame horses and be one with them and domesticate primates. It wasn't just us thinking cerebrally. That's like that's kind of limited. I

73:37think our our real being is deeper than that. You know what I mean? I think you can learn and know things cuz I don't think about my ideas for art. I don't try to come up with them intellectually. I just meditate. I wait for it to find me. And that's not an intellectual practice. Right. But obviously it yields results, right? So it's the right way to do it. Yep. Meanwhile people wouldn't think about that. They would think, "Oh, like what's the straight How do you do this? You you add these boards and that's how you make a house." You switches and that's how you make a computer. Exactly. Yeah. That's why like Bruce Lee innovated martial arts because he said like let's kind of break down all these systems. Let's not adhere to these Right. He called it organized despair. Mhm. All that the karate forms and just doing your sparring and not really doing

74:31live training. It's a threshold that you don't want to cross. Mhm. It's so you're stuck in this like let's go through all these boring stupid rituals to try to prop up our [ __ ] society when it's like, "No, I think we've taken intellect as far as it's going to go." I think if if we're going to get to the next level, we have to go deeper this way. And you know what I mean? Well, think it should be both, right? And I think the problem is that with money and with capitalism and our society and what our reward system is based on, it rewards people going towards the things that are going to get you results that you could show other people. You know? Like houses and cars and stuff like that. Like like a quick result. Well, like a physical tangible thing that's measured and cherished by society as opposed to spiritual growth. Yeah.

75:25You know, we don't think of spiritual growth as being like it's almost like a frivolous pursuit of uh silly people. You know, "I'm working on my spiritual growth." She [ __ ] lazy [ __ ] Like what are you doing? You ain't doing What are you actually doing? You just sit around eating [ __ ] cookies all day. Yeah, yeah, doing anything. You know? Maybe you love yourself too much. Yeah, maybe you think about yourself too much. There's so many other things to think about. You know? And it's just we have a very complex society that has a gravity to it and it sucks you in. It makes you a part of it and you don't have a whole lot of say. You get locked in and you get locked in when when you're real young. Get indoctrinated in the education system and then you get outside of it and you have to make a

76:11living and take care of yourself and pay your bills. You get locked in. Meanwhile space Meanwhile space is happening right above you. And every now and then you're forced to see it. Like I don't know if you guys got any of the northern lights from the solar storms. Like once yeah. get it? Yeah. What was it like? Just I mean, I didn't see it. My daughter just sent me pictures of it. Like yeah. My buddy lives in Montana and he was sending me photos of what's going on. And Jamie, your buddy in Ohio, right? Well, yeah. All my friends in Ohio saw it, so maybe that's far. Yeah, it's wild. Wild stuff. just happened all over the place, man. Mhm. Well, we knew about it. We knew they were coming because um there's two different types of radiation that comes from those um storms. Um when they have this these big coronal mass ejections, one of them reaches us in seconds. I

77:00think that's um that's gamma waves. Is that what that is? That reaches us in seconds? And then um the second one takes days to get us and that's the one that can take out your cell phone towers and [ __ ] up communications and shut down the grid. And if it gets big enough, we're we're really doomed. Wow. Yeah, we have a very very vulnerable system. And we're we're essentially living in a house with a glass ceiling hoping that it That don't help me sleep good at night. Right? If you park your car outside, you know, if most of the time your car's fine. Most of the time it doesn't hail. But if it hails, your car's [ __ ] Your car's Your car's going to get [ __ ] up. I'm sure you've seen like damage that hail's caused Yeah. to people's cars. [ __ ] man. And that is an unpredictable thing that happens way more often than these

77:55massive solar ejections. But if they get big enough, they get big enough, we're [ __ ] If they get big enough, we are back in the caveman days, kids. I mean, we still have books and we'll be reading them by candlelight, but all refrigeration's gone. You're going to have bio-diesel generators. You're going to have to Start making beef jerky again. yeah, yeah. You're going to need beef jerky. You're going to need water purification tablets. You're going to need someone who can figure out how to make those water for purification tablets without electricity. Someone to test the water on before you drink it. Bro. You need a whole bunch of [ __ ] get real squirrely. What is when they have a coronal mass ejection, what is the There's two different types of I know. I'm very I'm lost in this in the science of it. It says that all First it

78:38said all waves travel at the same speed, which I was like, "Okay, that's not what we're looking for." All right here it says they all travel at the speed of light. The waves do. Visible or gamma. Right, so they those reach us in a few seconds. But then I'm saying they end up traveling up to a million miles a second. Whoa. So that's how I'm like I'm trying to find out which waves are the ones we're talking about then. So how many million miles away is than light? Million miles a second. In my head I was about to do that calculation next. I think it is, but Really? exactly. It's The speed of light is like it's something meters per second. how we figure out time travel. These [ __ ] It's like 278,000 meters per second or something crazy. I guess that could be close to a million miles per second too. Also, I don't know.

79:23Either way, that [ __ ] is not stable. Dude. That sun I mean it's fairly stable, but every now and then it'll blow a gasket and you get just crazy waves headed towards us that'll just It's like having a really crazy friend that just might [ __ ] freak out any minute. you bring him to a bar. He's got PTSD, he's on LSD. No, he's a good dude, I swear. All sudden he's got a DUI. Um what was the worst uh version of it? Wasn't there something that happened that took out like Morse code towers in the 1800s? I think there was one big historical mass ejection that was documented within the last couple hundred years that they say if it happened today, we would be really [ __ ] That the same thing if it happened today. The Carrington event is what it's called. The most intense geomagnetic storm in recorded history. When was that

80:16one? September 1st and 2nd of 1859. And so, the Carrington event, most intense geomagnetic storm recorded history, peaking from 1 to 2 September 1859 during solar cycle 10, created strong auroral displays that were reported globally and caused sparking and even fires in multiple telegraph stations. Yeah, so like what the [ __ ] would that do today? So it just blows up everything that has electricity in it. Yeah, it just cooks everything. Dude, what if everybody's car just blew up? Everybody's [ __ ] house just blew up your TV? probably would. Probably cook your [ __ ] computer in your car. September 1st is Carrington was sketching on sunspots. He was blinded by a sudden flash of light. Carrington described it as a white light flare, according to NASA spaceflight. The whole event lasted about 5 minutes. The flare was a major

81:07coronal mass ejection, a burst of magnetized plasma from the sun's upper atmosphere, the corona. At in 17.6 hours, the coronal mass ejection traversed over 90 million miles between the sun Okay, that's the distance between the sun and the earth, 150 million kilometers. And unleashed its force its force on our planet. According to NASA spaceflight, it usually takes CMEs multiple days to reach Earth. The day after Carrington observed the impressive flare, Earth experienced an unprecedented geomagnetic storm with telegraph systems going haywire and auroral displays normally confined to polar latitudes visible in the tropics, according to NASA science. Carrington put two and two together and realized that the solar flare he'd seen was almost certainly the cause of this massive geomagnetic disturbance. Uh this was a connection that had never

81:57previously been made, according to NASA spaceflight. The solar storm of 1859 is now known as the Carrington event in his honor. Wow. So if that happened today, what Google what would happen if the Carrington event happened today? Let's find out what happens today. cell phone just blows up. Yeah, oh probably. It probably cooks everything. But that's what's really scary is that all of our cars are controlled by computers. Unless you have an old car that has a carburetor, you're [ __ ] Unless you have an old ass, you know, 1988 Toyota truck, you're you're in you're in a bad spot. Um Right there. What would happen with a Carrington event today? People ask. First one. Click on that. Um as such, Hudson suggested that a solar flare on the level of Carrington event might not pose as big a threat to humankind as some fear. Still, a

82:49Carrington event pointed at Earth today would have substantial impacts mainly on human activities in space. Also, it wouldn't kill our grid. No, probably not. I think they're just [ __ ] guessing. Yeah, they don't want to freak people out, dude. I don't know. I don't know. Cuz if it's never happened, how do you know what would happen? Also, that one the Carrington event, we don't really totally know how big it was. Right, cuz they didn't have the instruments to measure it back then. And what if there's one that's double that? I mean if that can happen, something bigger can happen. I mean it's not I mean we've only been around a short amount of time. The [ __ ] sun's been around for billions of years. Like how long is it every now and then it shoots off a big wad of jizz and blasts us with some plasma. Just destroys all our technology.

83:40You know, when they first started uh observing gamma-ray bursts in the universe, they thought that there was wars going on in space. It was Yeah, when they first started detecting these gamma-ray bursts, they found that they were happening like every couple seconds all over space. And they were reading too much science fiction. No, no they realized they what they didn't know what it was. Like what are these bursts? And then they realized they're something called hypernovas. So if a hypernova like if our sun goes hypernova, that's a wrap. That's a wrap for everything. up. Yeah, it it cooks the whole solar system. that's what they're detecting all over the place? Yeah. So suns are always [ __ ] blowing up. Yeah. Well, there's so many of them. Eventually they reach the end of their life cycle and if they hypernova, if they're big enough, they have enough

84:26mass and they hypernova, that's that's a wrap for the whole solar system. Yeah, like I think it's a wrap for other solar systems that are close by, too. I think it's a wrap for like pretty much everything. But maybe like you get to that point where What is this, Jamie? Cat captures a supernova. Hypernova is actually even bigger than a supernova. So this is the national the the Hubble telescope captured a supernova. But there was a I think it was a science channel had this documentary on hypernovas where these people were talking about how when they first started measuring them they were like, oh [ __ ] Like I mean cuz this is like post World War II. We understand atomic bombs. Like what do these guys have? Like these guys are blowing up whole planets out there. Like, oh [ __ ] Imagine thinking that the universe is

85:17teeming with life and that life is so violent that it's blowing up planets. Yeah. Total Star Wars [ __ ] Yeah, you'd have to if you were that scientist, you'd just have to be like, holy [ __ ] What do I tell people? What Yeah, and you wouldn't you probably wouldn't want to tell them that, but you'd have to tell like the generals, I would think there might be [ __ ] Star Wars going on here. I'm sure they had meetings. I'm sure they had meeting when they when they first detected these things, I'm sure they were like, oh Jesus Christ. Okay, Mr. Eisenhower, we've got some problems. What are we going to do? We might not be [ __ ] after all. Yeah. Well, we're something to us, but in the greater scheme of it all, I mean the universe doesn't seem to care if it cooks entire solar systems Yeah. every

85:58couple seconds. Well, cuz I mean the universe has to know more than we do. So we're over here thinking we're all badass. How do we know it's not better if you get zapped and then you [ __ ] appear in a different dimension? That's probably what happens. Yeah. What are hypernovas? I was going to show you this one I was just finding on this video about the largest supernova ever. SN 1572, which I guess is the year. So it was said it was visible for 23 days. Oh my god. nights. Wow. So then like I'm watching the video. This is non-scientific. It look could look like a you know, a star or planet that wasn't actually there if they were observing it for so long, you know? It would have ended up in a book. And I don't know what would they have thought was going on. Would they have known it was a supernova back then? Like how much did they know about that?

86:45How big did they say they saw? Did they talk about it? Well, I'm trying to just go off without listening to the video. I'm just going off pictures and words and stuff. Um I'm not quite sure though. You imagine living back then and you see some [ __ ] flare in the sky. they look that's what they were looking at. Look at that [ __ ] telescope. He puts his eye up to it and it just fries his [ __ ] eye out. All right, imagine. Yeah, they those dummies are just staring He's looking right AT THE SUPER AH Did you watch the eclipse? The last one? Yeah, you didn't see it? No. No? Oh my god, it was wild, man. It was weird. I saw the one uh before that I was down in Santa Fe. Oh yeah? I saw I was outside, but I can't remember what I was doing, but I was like, oh there's an eclipse. That's how out of touch I am, dude. I don't even hear about the

87:29[ __ ] Well, this was a such a big one that everybody was preparing and you know, Rogue sent us some sunglasses. So I went out in my backyard and watched it. It was pretty dope, man. It it's weird to hear all the birds stop chirping. Like everything stopped. All the sounds stopped. Yeah. And then you just have this bizarre moment for a couple minutes where it's dark out. Yeah, it's all weird and empty. And then the the eclipse looked amazing. It's so weird that the sun and the moon are the perfect size that they line up that way. That gets people like weirded out. They go, how is what are the odds? Is there any other planet in our solar system that experiences that? Yeah. Oh [ __ ] the odds That it's exactly planet that has intelligent life that it's blocked out perfectly by our moon. And what is that what does that do like

88:24I don't know, man. Like maybe it's superstitious or something, but I think those cosmic cycles I think it's a reminder. Yeah. I think it's certainly a reminder of the just the vastness and bizarreness of space itself when you you realize like, oh there's a giant nuclear explosion in the sky that keeps the lights on. Yeah, and then there's this other blocked. Yeah, the other [ __ ] rock that just blocks it out is perfectly Yeah. sized and shaped to just rock is also perfectly sized to give us a a stable stable gravity that we're not wobbling enough so that we don't vary too much in our temperature. Yeah. It keeps us stable cuz it's pretty big. That moon's pretty [ __ ] big. And the tides. Uh-huh. And everything. [ __ ] It's all very weird. What the an eclipse of one of the moons of Mars looks like. Mm.

89:17It's so small and not doesn't fit perfectly. Yeah, it doesn't fit perfectly at all. It just goes across it. So that's the shadow that it cast that weird Yeah. I wonder if there's are there any other planets in this solar system that would experience an eclipse that's similar to ours? That's what I was trying to just look at that. Like I was thinking Saturn's got multiple moons. Is there any way It kind of would have to be a right it would have to be a moon like one of them would have to line up and it'd have to be the same size as the sun. In terms of like how it fits in the sky the distance so so that it's the perfect size to block it out cuz it's it's so perfect. Like you all you see is like as it passes over you just see the outside light. You see this black circle on the outside light. ring. It's perfect. Yeah. It's perfectly established to give us an

90:08eclipse. That is weird when you think about it. Like It is but the whole thing's weird. I mean it's probably one of the least weird things about space. Yeah. I mean like I had an astronomy class in high school and that class would just trip me out hearing about how infinite and like the white dwarfs and the pulsars and all this [ __ ] that's out there that they can see so far out there is wild and then I got really sad when I don't think he's an expert. I was like Eddie He's really good at choking people though. Cuz you beat Hoyler I'm going to listen to you. There's there's some real interesting stuff that's going on now where they're finding galaxies that are so far away and are so far formed they're so well formed that they don't think that they should exist given the the timeline of the universe. They're very confused as

91:02to how these things exist where they exist that they shouldn't have been formed in this way. [ __ ] things. Well I think what it is is it's probably the the universe is probably older than we think it is. I think they're just with the web telescope they're just starting to be able to detect these structures in deep space that they're so far away and they're so old that they shouldn't be able to exist if the Big Bang happened 13.7 billion years ago. a way to stabilize themselves like if you're cuz you got to think like if you're the right place the right time your technology your technology advances high enough before you destroy yourself maybe you don't have a planet where everybody likes to kill each other and you have world wars every [ __ ] 100 years and you don't nuke whatever and you build your technology in a good way

91:53maybe you could stabilize it so [ __ ] Big Bang happens and you got some time wave zero [ __ ] that you know. That's the least likely. The most likely is that we have a bad understanding of how old space is. Galaxies that shouldn't exist keep being discovered by the James Webb Space Telescope. A bright red speck appears against the backdrop of a space photo but astronomers say that it shouldn't be there but there it is published today in the national journal Nature. An international research team led by Carl Glazebrook from Swinburne University of Technology in Melbourne says that the light reaching Earth from this galaxy named JWST 7329 is 11.5 billion years old and comes from an ancient assembly of stars likely formed 13 billion years ago. It doesn't make sense because it's been thought until now there wasn't

92:43enough dark matter in the early universe to prompt this formation. Uh current understandings of what grows a galaxy suggest that dark matter halos which are filled or fields of invisible material in space coalesce and collect stars and galaxies within their structure. It's only because of the James Webb Space Telescope that the team has been able to clarify what the red speck was in seven years of long observations using ground-based Keck the Hawaii Observatory and the VLT in Chile all they could see was a faint red smudge. NASA's James Webb Telescope it's been such an incredible thing been waiting for the last 30 years been delivering all those dreams we've had Glazebrook tells Cosmos. This is something we've working on over the years deeper and deeper surveys looking for the oldest and most massive galaxies that formed. We did the calculations of

93:32how old it is and it's way beyond the bounds of what's reasonable to form in the cold dark matter dominated universe. It's really a huge puzzle. So I think they have crude instruments relatively crude instruments for seeing that far back and they keep getting better and the James Webb is better than the Hubble and the the more they can see the more it reveals puzzles. They're just not exactly sure what the [ __ ] is going on out there. And it's big. And when they find out dude like it just make doesn't that make you wonder like what the [ __ ] what's the answer? You know? Well they also don't even know if the Big Bang was actually the beginning of the universe. That's there's a lot of people including Sir Roger Penrose think the Big Bang uh that the universe existed before the Big Bang. And that there's also people that

94:21believe that there might be this constant cycle of Big Bang expansion and then ultimately compression and then Big Bang again. It's really wild. But that makes sense because it's like how do you just how is there nothing? Right. How's there just nothing and then all of a sudden a Big Bang. It'd be yeah it'd be more likely like everything expands contracts isn't it a weird thing to think how was there something? If there wasn't if there wasn't nothing why is there something? Why is there always been something? That seems even less likely. Like what the [ __ ] is that? Right but I mean we got to like assume if there's something now probably all always stuff was something. But how could it always be something? What did it how did it start? That's that's the [ __ ] yeah that's the question like if you ever got to

95:12meet God you'd be like what predated you? Right. What created you? Right. You know? Right. your mind blows up. They'd be like chat GPT. Yeah like And then you'd be like I am a [ __ ] cyborg. I think I I think we're going to find out some very interesting stuff in the next five years. Yeah. in the next five years things are going to get real [ __ ] squirrely. Yeah. But you know you you kind of just there's no other choice than to look forward to it. Well I mean no one's going to hit the brakes. Yeah. We got to ride the sound and enjoy it. So you just got to think well is we live in interesting times. We definitely live in interesting times. I think the most interesting times because um you know there was an interview recently where someone was talking about this and they were saying that this is what the first time in history that no one has

96:04any idea of what it's going to look like in 20 years. Or probably even five. Probably even five. Yeah cuz the way everything's expanding exponentially kind of leads you to believe it's going to continue to do that. Mhm. And then what are those unpredictable changes going to be? Right. my [ __ ] life is completely different than it was five years ago bro. Unpredictable [ __ ] happened to me and but I don't know. Well the whole world's different than it was four years ago right? Covid comes along everything changes. The whole world's different now. So like what yeah what does that look like? What does it look like five 20 years from now? It's going to be weird man I'll tell you that. There's no way it's not going to be weird. It's weird already. You know? Yeah it is but it's it's almost like do you live your life

96:52[ __ ] worrying about it or do you just say I'm alive just [ __ ] check it out. This is going to be wild dude. We don't know because one of those solar flares could take everything out and then we don't even have a show to watch. True. At least there's something to do. Well it's definitely something to do and you definitely can't stop it. So you definitely should just live your life and enjoy it. But doesn't make it any less fascinating you know. It is absolutely fascinating. Yeah. This is the timeline that we're in for whatever reason. That's what gets real weird. It's like why are we in this timeline? Everyone listening to this right now. Everyone watching this right now. Why are you in this timeline? Why is this the time that you exist? Have you existed before? Is this your first time in this timeline?

97:35You know everybody wants to assume it is like someone said to me once that they wouldn't like there's a theory I'm sure you're aware of this theory that you live the same life over and over and over again until you get it right. You know to eat that enlightenment is possible but you you have to you you got to go at it over and over and over and over and over again until you nail it. And I was talking with a friend of mine like [ __ ] I wouldn't want to do that. I'm like okay. If you wouldn't want to do that do you like life now? Cuz I love life now. I'm having a great time. So if someone said to me that I have to do this all over again why would that be so bad? Why am I scared of that? But everybody's scared of that. Everybody's scared of starting from scratch again being a baby again. But remember when you were a white belt?

98:22Sure. It was [ __ ] awesome. Not really. Well no I I'm not talking about just getting smashed and choked. I'm talking about looking forward to learning. Sure. And and maybe I should have said blue belt. But it's it's like I got smashed a lot as a blue belt too. I I like looking forward to this big journey. You know what I mean? Like when I when I first started doing kung fu when I was like 19 or 20 I didn't know and we didn't have to get choked so it was just fun you know. And I was like oh I don't know anything about this but I have so much to learn it's going to be so cool. And then after years and years I'm kind of jaded I've done it so [ __ ] long I don't think I really even appreciate it anymore. I know what you're saying. Yeah there's there's a thing that you can get jaded by a thing and new things are all very exciting.

99:06That's why it's really important for people to just for you the health of your mind to try new things or to try things where you're not that good at to try to keep getting better cuz it's like this thing that you have to do to practice and learn. It's very it enriches the way you think about everything. It it's so valuable to be able to do that and to be able to to realize you're doing that and you're capable of learning new things and that really is what makes you live as dude. And that that is why people get stagnant cuz it's like when you were a kid, you were always trying to learn something new. You weren't like, "Oh [ __ ] I'm jaded. I just man, I don't know what I'm going to do." You were you were trying to learn. You were constantly. And so if you continue to do that learn and play and and just accept and have fun

99:56you don't have to get old. You don't have to get stale. You don't have to get bored. You can [ __ ] enjoy this life. You can. Yeah, you certainly can if you find things that that are exciting. That's the the the saddest thing I think is someone who doesn't have a thing. Someone who doesn't have a thing that excites them. Someone that doesn't doesn't engage with something that stimulates them. I think you need it as a human organism. The human organism needs little puzzles and stuff to do. Makes it exciting for it. If you don't do that, like you're going to feel shitty. Yeah, you you do. You get bored. I mean, God the the best most happy times in your life are when you have all these exciting projects. You don't know if it's even going to work. But like holy [ __ ] I'm going to try. I'm going to get

100:41excited about this and [ __ ] go after it. Hey, let me ask you this about your work cuz I I was wanted to ask you this question. When you're painting Crazy Horse is there any part of you that doesn't want to do that cuz it's like Crazy Horse did not want to be photographed? So you have to paint what you imagine Crazy Horse would be He's It's kind of crazy that that dude got so you know, no pun intended, got so famous and managed to avoid having his picture taken. I think he knew they were mugshots. You think that's what it was? I think when I when I look back at all those the the photographs, I think they were [ __ ] He wasn't He was a smart dude. He didn't want his picture out there so he couldn't be identified cuz they were they were trying to kill him. They definitely I think like, you know, I definitely do work. I do spiritual work.

101:35But no, like spiritual introspection and you know, I like I have friends from the Oglala tribe who are like related to him that I talk to and learn stories from the Lakota, the Oglala themselves. So I try to have a deep insight for it. Do a lot of research what he really would have looked like and also just think is this is this the right thing to do? Do I have permission to do this? And if that kind of comes through and the Lakota themselves, they don't get a hold of me and I have a problem and I talk to It's not from an actual photograph. Of course. It's it's just Right, from your mind. Yeah. Well, not even that. I try to like I think about uh Black Elk's description of him and just try to put together the facial features in my mind. How did they deal with that um sculpture? That giant sculpture of Crazy Horse? The one that's

102:33hasn't been finished yet? I don't know, but I don't really I like the idea of what they're doing but I don't it doesn't look that much to me like how I imagine him looking. It's weird. You know, how do you how do you do a giant sculpture of a guy and say it's this guy? Like you don't even know what that guy looked like. I know. How do you do that? But I think I think they're doing that to kind of just pay tribute to him. Seems like a weird thing to do though. Yeah. You know Well, cuz I from I don't think I don't know. I don't want to talk [ __ ] on one family that's doing this, right? Yeah. And I don't want to talk [ __ ] on this dude's project. Where is that image of him scroll up where you did where the the the above that? Right there. Right That's a bronze statue or something. That's supposed to be Crazy Horse?

103:18I don't know. These are just people's random pictures on Google. Yeah. But he didn't he like cut pieces off of his body like before he went to war, cut like a hundred pieces off of his skin? That's Sitting Bull. Sitting Bull did that? Didn't Crazy Horse do that as well? No. Uh Crazy Horse didn't participate in a lot of like the Sun Dance where you pierce yourself. I mean he cut like pieces of his skin off. Like marked his skin. No, he that was Sitting Bull. See if there's a story about Crazy Horse before we go to battle cutting pieces of his skin off cuz I thought I thought they said that Crazy Horse had did it as well. That he had like like cut little pieces of himself off of his arms. They had little scars all over his arms. I I I hadn't heard that, but I heard um Sitting Bull before the Battle of Little Big Horn before the Battle of Little Big Horn,

104:09Sitting Bull cut like a hundred pieces off his shoulders and his back. Maybe that's what I'm remembering. And all that to get a vision of what the battle was going to be like and then he stared into the sun and he saw all these soldiers falling into the camp. Wow. And so that's where cuz Sitting Bull was kind of like the the general. He was a little older at the time of the battle and he had a bad wound on his leg, but he was a visionary, really respected medicine man, leader and Crazy Horse was the actual fighter. So he'd go and kind of lead the troops and do the actual fighting. Did you find anything about Crazy Horse cutting pieces of his skin off? So maybe I'm [ __ ] it up. But the the thing that gets me is that they had these methods. I mean, these are people that are living in a time where you had to be pragmatic. You

105:02couldn't you couldn't pretend that you could see things if you did a certain thing. Like this you were trying to achieve a vision. So they had probably done it before and they had methods to do it. And a lot of their methods involved pain. You know, like the thing where they would pierce their nipples and suspend them. Yeah, Sun Dance. Crazy [ __ ] man. Yeah. That they did these things in a time where you know, you're living a subsistence lifestyle. You don't have a lot of time for [ __ ] around for nonsense. And and yet they found value in like self-torture. Yeah. Well, it's I mean, it kind of Do you have any paintings of the Sun Dance? No, I was I was working on a painting of a Sun Dancer that has the white sage. They would put white sage around their head like this kind of like a halo and then a wear eagle bone whistle here.

105:51That's what it looks like. they paint themselves white with the spots there. And you're you're suspended. Yeah. Hanging by your nipples. And you have to not eat for four days, not drink water and everybody around the village like gets to tease you and throw little spear twigs at your legs and [ __ ] and just like it's It's four days. It's an endurance ritual. And eventually it rips out of your chest. Yep. It once it rips out and like dude, friends of mine from South Dakota, they still have those those scars like this. Bro. Yeah. Do you ever see Man Called Horse? I [ __ ] yeah, dude. I own that. I got that on DVD. That was uh what was that gentleman's name? Uh Richard Harris. That's right. Yeah. He he goes through that ritual. Yeah. There's always that story though about That's why people get angry. There's a

106:41story about the white guy who goes and kicks ass with the Indians. Everyone's like, "Shut the [ __ ] up." Yeah, cuz it like doesn't give the Indians enough credit in a way. Right. That one you can see has a little bit of the white savior thing to it. Sure. But it's not it's not like they're not giving you something. They're That's what I think is that the native culture has taught me so much. That's why I paint it. That's why I got into that as a kid because it was an alternative to mind prison of the system of the schools. I could see in the the people's eyes that they were free, that they were real, that they were powerful individuals and I wanted to follow that. I didn't want to listen to like my second grade teacher who was you know, nothing I ever want to be like. Right. So I those books and I still have those books, you know?

107:36That's what inspired me to do this and that's what keeps me going and sharing it with the world because I want to say this is a valuable amazing culture that that we blindly destroyed and committed a genocide on. There were millions of people over here and the whites came over and were just so [ __ ] dumb that they just they wasted a lot of good knowledge, but there's still pieces of it alive and maybe we could do what we can to pay that back, learn from it. And my yeah, my fear is that if it wasn't for the ability to use media in the 20th and 21st century, we might have lost the true story forever. Yeah. You know, you have a Imagine if we did you know, because the world wasn't much different in terms of our technological capabilities from like 1500 to 1700. Right. Right, but from 1800 to the year 2000, it's a giant [ __ ]

108:30difference. And that's when people started going, "Hey, what what [ __ ] happened? We should write books like real books. We should [ __ ] really research this." It's a perspective, yeah. I remember the first time I read Empire of the Summer Moon which is about this place right here right where we're at. I was like, "Jesus, like how could we how how did I not know this? How did how is this not taught in school? Like what happened?" Because it's a fascinating story. I know. And you do really really have to wonder that. Why is that left out when it's one of our best stories? Like I was uh talking to some of these guys out here earlier about, you know, why is Quanah's story just not as popular as like Custer and Crazy Horse and that Right. Quanah Parker. Yeah, and I think it's it's because it's more complex. Mhm. It's not as easy as

109:21like the one guy from the one culture the one battle Custer Crazy Horse fight. Done. It's more of like it's all over. There's Jack Hayes. There's you know Quanah Parker. There's the formation of the Texas Rangers. There's a technology of the Colt. another example of Cynthia Ann Parker. Another example of someone who was kidnapped at a young age became a Comanche and then they rescued her and she's like I don't want to be rescued. Yeah. I want to go back. trying to escape. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's uh what a time man. And so sad how she uh like how she died thinking that Quanah was dead and he wasn't. Yeah. And just how much he like wanted to honor her memory and how much you know he loved his mom and he like what a good dude he was like just such a badass warrior and then he's also a diplomat and took care of everyone and built that star house. You know?

110:13Also kind of crazy that he killed a shitload of white people and still managed to like meet the president hang out with everybody. People that like forgave [ __ ] back then like yeah let's let that go. That's the time we live in. Everybody was murdering everybody back then. That's what was really wild. It's like the just human life back then was worth so much less. People were so much more savage. Dude the the story of just Texas and the [ __ ] Comanches is is so wild and it's so unappreciated and I I like I really think that with with our country and our culture we we really do have a cool history that was so that's so unique where you know what I mean? Nothing like that really ever happened and like to your point we we had a way to keep records of it. But there's dude there's all these rad stories about native history like

111:05there's this dude uh William Weatherby. If you can look up the story of William Weatherby the Creek warrior uh Red Eagle he he led this big rebellion of the Creek Indians and they the government hired Andrew Jackson who was later president I think to go fight him. He's this big Civil War general and these Creeks would build these big fortifications and try to fight off the the army and they blow it apart with cannons and just slaughtered like you know hundreds of Creeks fought this big protracted war with him like in Alabama. Nobody even knows about the [ __ ] Creek War or who William Weatherby is but when you hear his story dude he's like William Wallace of America. You wouldn't believe this [ __ ] okay? His whole village is getting wiped out and they're he's a leader and they're like where's William I was going to say Wallace where's

111:52William Weatherby? Weatherford? Is it is it Weatherford? I couldn't find a Weatherby but I got a Weatherford. it wrong. Weatherby's a rifle. Yeah okay Weatherford. So anyway he's this Creek warrior and he's like the leader and he's he's getting tracked down and they're they're trying to find him and they're they're like basically it's kind of like the Braveheart how they're like he have an American name? Uh I mean back then they were interacting a lot with the English and it wasn't uncommon for a native to have a white name. I think he was half white half Indian too. Mhm. But he was such a badass dude so they're William Weatherford. They're basically like saying if you don't if Red Eagle that's his Indian name doesn't come in we're going to just really devastate these people. We're going to you know all your people are going to be having a

112:38bad time. So they were like basically going to hurt his tribe if he doesn't surrender okay? And so he's riding in to surrender and he sees a deer [ __ ] shoots it picks it up guts it throws it over his saddle and keeps riding in to go surrender right? And he gets there to Andrew Jackson and he's like if I had an army I'd fight you to the death. But you've killed all my warriors and I only have women and children. And I'm not going to let them suffer so you can chase me so here I am [ __ ] kill me if you want to. Do whatever. What did they do to him? Well Andrew Jackson actually said this dude's so brave let's have a drink. They went in the tent drank some whiskey. And as they're in the tent everybody's chanting all the soldiers are chanting. See there he is. Wow. Kill him. Kill him. Kill him. That's the soldiers' big

113:36chance all around from the army. Kill him kill him kill him. Jackson walks out. Everyone's quiet. He says let me tell you Red Eagle is the bravest [ __ ] of all of y'all and if anybody touches a hair on his head you're going to answer to me. Don't [ __ ] with Red Eagle. And let him go. Imagine being a fly on the wall during that meeting. Yeah. See that guy coming and sit down. Yeah. But just the bravest if you read the story and he he gives this incredible speech. Like I didn't really do it justice. But he's just very eloquent and he's you know says this [ __ ] and he's like do what you want with me. Don't [ __ ] with my people. I don't The history of Native Americans is there's so many people don't know what happened. So many people don't know that Native Americans went to Paris Yeah. met

114:24with whoever the hell was in charge back then. Yeah. Crazy [ __ ] dude the the actual like truth is stranger than fiction you know? Cuz we we like the people writing [ __ ] movies are going to go I don't want to try that [ __ ] hard cowboy Indian Right. can't put in the can whatever they say. if someone's going to do like a real realistic movie about the Comanche. And the Texas Rangers. The dude the Yellowstone dude doing the Empire of the Summer Moon? That's right. Is he doing that? Is that official? I think so. Ooh that's going to be wild. He'll do it right. Taylor Sheridan knows what the [ __ ] he's doing. He'll do it right. If anybody should be entrusted with that did you see 1883? Amazing right? Amazing. I mean So good and how the like the Lakotas how they put the the feces on the arrows to poison them.

115:13Yellowstone Taylor Sheridan lands Empire of the Summer Moon will write and direct epic Comanche leader Quanah in the rise and fall of Old West fierce his tribe January 18th 2024. [ __ ] yeah. He's going to nail it. What's that going to be like? to be incredible. I hope that the Westerns come back as a genre cuz I really think we should take pride in our history more. You know what I mean? I think it would bond us more as just like we're Americans or our uh like ancestors they [ __ ] went across the sea they went across the the continent they [ __ ] with the Comanches like they were brave they were crazy. That's who our ancestors are. Yeah. They should be honored dude. We should be thinking about them going we're Americans. We're badass. We won the [ __ ] World War II. We the you know Someone's had a couple of Lone Stars

116:02looking at you. God dammit we're [ __ ] Americans. You know how we [ __ ] did it bro? Like that's this the history dude. fascinating history. It's certainly a fascinating history and it's it's riddled with horror stories. Horror stories and amazing accomplishments and brave people and all of it mixing together. Yeah. Crazy stuff. Yeah. Listen brother no one captures it better. No one captures the Native American imagery and just the the feeling of it better than you. Your stuff's awesome man and it's been dope getting to become friends with you. Yeah same here dude. I can't thank you enough. Being here is such an honor. You know helping me get my art out there to the world. Just can't thank you enough bro. Oh I'm more than happy more than happy that people get to see your [ __ ] It's awesome. Well I'm I'm going to keep

116:49trying to put good stuff out there and You will I'm sure. you know I have 100% faith in you. Everything you do is dope. I appreciate it a lot. What's up Jamie? Oh I thought you said something. Oh listen man thanks for coming appreciate it. Tell everybody how they can see your stuff find it online. I'll uh you can just look me up online Greg Overton Fine Art Instagram Greg Overton Fine Art. I'll be in Santa Fe during Indian Market uh mid-August and I'll I'll be at the [ __ ] Jackson Hole Art Auction. There it is. One man show Jackson Hole Art Auction in September and that's the [ __ ] top of the top so There it is. I'll see you [ __ ] there. Appreciate you very much man. Thanks for coming. Yeah man.