Scott Adams

00:04Scott Adams ladies and gentlemen here we are Hey Joe good to see you again man good to see you again um I met you decades ago do you remember that horrible story I don't remember a horrible story but it was uh on news radio was a horrible story do you remember my humiliation that day no what happened so for those of you who weren't with us on that set um I had a small uh line just one line on news radio because it was an episode that mentioned Dilbert I was invited as a guest and you were giving the line before my line so I just came in and they said Joe's going to say this Joe say you're line and you turned to me and you said you're ly and they said when he says that you say you're line and of course I'm panicked because I you know I don't do this right I'm not an actor so the scene starts and it's one of these scenes that runs continuous from beginning to end it's not like a

00:54movie where you cut it every 10 seconds so you have to do it right all the way through right and we get to my my line and you're turning the other direction so the line I'm waiting to hear instead of hearing it clearly like in practice when you were facing me I hear oh no and I think to myself I don't know what his other lines are so I don't know if that sounds like my line or is that should I go and I said to myself 5050 chance right I I either I either ruin the scene by saying something the wrong time or I ruin the scene by being silent when I should have been talking so I said I'm going to go with silent and I just I just stood there in silence and everybody everybody got really quiet I don't I don't know if you remember why you did but uh has burned in my mind you were very nice that day but you just sort of slowly turned around and looked at me and meanwhile all the other

01:48actors sort of slowly turned around and looked at me because I was I was the source of the problem and then uh but I have to admit I was impressed because um then all the actors went back to you know square one and did the entire scene through again perfectly I it's very impressive if you're not an actor to watch how many lons a bunch of professionals can do without screwing up any of them it was it was a it was an awesome kind of an afternoon well news radio was a very uh unusual show in that we did a lot there was a lot of changing stuff on the fly like the writers would come in and then rewrite a line like on the fly like they would do one line they would do one take and then Paul Sims Le and all these guys we get together and they go okay that's uh let's try this let's try this we'll go back but then when when Scott turns to you now say this and then we'd have a

02:38totally new line for the next scene and so we'd have to like like be standing over by the elevator going uh no that's not going to work uh no that's not going to work we do like come up with a bunch of different ways to say it and then just run with it on the Fly oh man people don't realize how hard that is it's not that hard honestly it's not coal mining well well you have to have the right um kind of mind for that memory yeah it's sort of like when a musician can do you know 50 songs from memory yeah and I'm thinking I could do seven notes you know and and then I'm good like that's all I can remember in a row and after that i' be just be guessing well if you think about how many just think about language itself how many words you can access just instantaneously just pull them up from your memory yeah you know um it's just that's what you do all the time and if

03:22you all the time were reading sitcom scripts you just get used to that sort of flow and how things go it's not it's not really that everything looks difficult if you don't know how to do it exactly exactly people say that about my job as well it's like how do how do you do that it's like well it happens to be the one thing I can do well you know and I can't do most things well but one little thing I can do well well one thing that people have a hard time with the sitcom World especially the old school sitcom world is the audience like performing in front of the audience is is a weird element you know you did you feel that well you know I do tons of public speaking so in that environment I like the energy and I like all of it but usually if I'm speaking I know exactly what I'm going to say and you know even if I mess it up it doesn't matter it's doesn't have to be

04:08specific but that was a that was a a frightening situation so so so keep in mind also that uh most of the actors were stars you know they they were pretty big names and so I was meeting everybody that so I was a little bit Star Struck and you know I was completely out of my element and then completely blew the scene you know just me it was like all me there wasn't any anybody else it was just me well it sounds like I up sounds like I was looking in the wrong direction which is totally possible no you were we were standing in line so you had to be facing the way you were but oh oh so I was looking at you during the rehearsal or something yeah the the setup was we were standing in line to get coffee and so during the practice you turned to me so you so I would know exactly what you were saying but in the actual thing we were in line so you're just talking to

04:54somebody else right I get it I get it I get it yeah man I don't remember that at all it's like it's so funny how like one person can remember something and it's like a big moment and another person would go like I just erased that I knew that I met you and I remember oh Scott Adams is cool I like that cartoon and then all of the sudden it's over you know it was that it was you know there's no other memories in my database yeah I had a totally different experience that day well it's also I did a 100 of them or 98 or whatever the hell we did so it's this it's a weird thing as you get older too like there's memories that I just have scrubbed I'm like no room for him I got new data coming in I got to make some space it's like cleaning out your garage you know so there's nothing scarier than getting together with your siblings after you haven't seen him for

05:38years and you start talking about your childhood and one of you will be telling a story like do you remember the time I you know it doesn't matter what it is I I jumped on a zebra and I ran across the zoo and they ran they yelled at me and the other sibling will say that wasn't you that was me I was the one on the zebra and it would be such like a you know a memory that you couldn't forget right right but you did you actually wrote yourself into a scene you weren't even there you were watching and you you wrote yourself into the hero scene that does happen with people human memory is really flawed it's really flawed well if you want to go real deep real fast you just gave me the good opening that uh I am a proponent of the we are all a software simulation um view of reality and that would also explain why memories are so screwed up and the explanation would be

06:29that the past doesn't exist until you need it in other words the past writes itself on demand because if we're software you wouldn't have everything in the universe pre-programmed just in case you needed it it would take too much resources I might have to spark up a joint for this episode you just went real deep real quick I was hoping I was hoping it' go that way do you want some do you smoke the weed I I could do it for the first time I'd be willing to try once well I don't know if I want to give it to you for the first time I don't want you to freak out you don't smoke pot at all the truth is I've I smoked pot once ever it was in first day of college but I never stopped so that's really just once oh I understand so you smoke pot all the time so you did it once and you just kept going I'd be willing to try the second time is what I'm saying I understand what you're saying so what has

07:21like what has life been like for Scott Adams during this election you um came into the well you're obviously always well known for being a creator of Dilbert but um along this election cycle all of a sudden there was I had you know people that I was in contact with that were saying you know Scott Adam's a trump supporter and I was like what Scott Adams the Dilbert guys a trump supporter because you know everyone assumes you meet someone and they're uh in the creative business you know you're in a creative business you're you write a comic strip you would assume that you would be a leftwing guy like almost almost immediately well I'm neither a left nor right I'm sort of all over the place my My Views didn't match you know either of the major candidates on anything so you're a freeth thinker I like to think I'm right and everybody else is wrong I would like that too no I'm actually

08:22um my larger philosophical grounding is that is informed by my experience as a atist I'm not sure if you knew that but no I didn't know you were a hypnotist so in my 20s I went to hypnosis school and became an actual trained certified hypnotist wow and one of the things you learn as a hypnotist is that the world is backwards to the way people normally perceive it so normally you see the world as hey you know 90% of the time people are rational and doing rational things right but 10% of the time we just go nuts and we do stupid things and it's because something happened to sparked it right that's the normal view of the world the hypnotist view of the world is opposite the hypnotist says that 90% of the time we're completely irrational and we're just making rationalizations for why we did things after the fact 10% of the time we're rational but that's only

09:12when there's no emotional content to the decision you know you're balancing a checkbook or something you know trying to pick up you know the best route to some place um and so that's how I see the world and so when I look at either the Trump supporters or the Clinton supporters to me from the hypnotist perspective and someone who's studied persuasion for decades I use it in my writing um I see both sides as completely ridiculous both both of them are grounded in complete absurdities they're just different yeah but nobody knows why they're deciding the real reasons that people make decisions are fear identity um you know they have some aspiration they've they've got something they're trying to solve they're something they're trying to work out but the reasons we give are usually completely false and the the grounding for this is that if you think about Evolution I assume you believe we

10:07evolved yes um there was no requirement in evolution that we ever understand our environment the way we imagine we do and here's an example of that you could believe that you a a monk you know you're reincarnated from a 10th Century monk like Steven Seagal does he believe that yeah he's like a a boot or something from an actual yeah like he actually got it bestowed upon Him by some Tibetan character all right so let's use Steven Seagal so Stephen Sagal can be standing in a grocery store next to let's say a Muslim who believes that his Prophet literally Flew To Heaven on a winged horse those two people don't live the same reality but they both buy groceries they both go they cook it they live they survive so it turns out that understanding your reality at an actual you know I really know is objectively happening and I get it and I've got a mental model that's quite accurate we

11:03don't need any of that so it's it would be deeply unlikely that we evolved such a specific skill that's completely unnecessary as far as we can tell you know we do need to know that if I if you run into this wall you know your head is going to hurt so there's some basic stuff but we're probably all even interpreting that experience differently so there's no reason to think that the way I think of it is the way you think of it so I see the world as this big irrational ball and I use the hypnotist Persuader skills to back up and try to deduce you know what's really driving things and when people said I was a trump supporter what they meant was um they may have only seen part of what I was talking about I was writing about his skill as a Persuader and what I mean is that I noticed in him the skills that I've developed over decades for persuasion but at a higher level than

11:57I've ever seen meaning that he he's the most persuasive living human I've ever experienced and I mean that in terms of uh actual technique you know he's he's full of technique and it's all the time I'll give you give you some examples of that first time I noticed it was the very first debate when uh Megan Kelly was asking him the question about the insults he had allegedly said to women not allegedly he said them and this is a setup that any other Pol ition with his setup is totally trapped cuz they can either try to like deny they said it and then somebody has a videotape and that doesn't work or they can say oh I didn't mean it there's almost nothing you can say you're just trapped and and that would have been the end of his campaign the first debate should have been over and if you remember do you remember what he said no I don't she said you said this this and this about women and he

12:53smiled and he sort of looked at the audience it looked like or the camera and he said only Rosio Don and the audience erupted in laughter completely unexpected and a place inappropriate provocative and and what I noticed was the Rosie O'Donnell is a is a visual image that everybody shares right you got a picture of her since I say the name and for his base that he was catering to it was an unpopular image and one that would just suck all the energy away from the question which was toxic and really you know you can't touch the question you just have to suck all the energy into another part of the room and wait for the time to run out and that's what he did and it became the headline blah blah blah and he you know uh certainly it highlighted the things he said about women maybe more than it would have but the way he escaped that got my attention and I thought that

13:44doesn't look normal all right that that's a that's operating at another level and so I looked for more examples of it and you could see it everywhere and it was especially clear by the time he started saying um well well the other visual thing he does is he says build a wall and you can just imagine a wall when he says uh we're we're paying too much Ransom to Iran for those soldiers he says we paid you know 400 million or whatever the number is he goes imagine that money piled up it'd be so much money you know it fill this room you can't even imagine that big pile of money he always goes for the visual because we know that the the visual part of our brain is the dominant part and if you can get its attention and get it on your message it talks the rest of your brain into anything you want it to um when he talks about Isis he goes visual also he doesn't say they are bad

14:34people whose religion's you know has been distorted you the type of thing you might hear from Hillary Clinton he says they put you in cages and they drown you in the cage they chop your head off I mean you can see that you're playing the movie in your head so everything he does gets more attention than everything everybody else does because he puts it into a provocative picture so that was the first thing I noticed then when he got to Jeb Bush and he he needed to defeat Jeb because he was the strongest competitor so if he couldn't get past him there was no point and he went after him strong and he went after him fast and he went after him with a low energy kill shot so I I call these linguistic kill shots it's not just an insult it's not just a clever nickname and we saw Clinton try to come up with clever nicknames I had no no purchase whatsoever like dangerous Donald you

15:26know it just didn't work but at look at low energy Jeb here's how it's engineered it's engineered for confirmation bias meaning that you want the future to make this look like a better nickname every day and you want it to match his physicality so before I ever heard low energy Jeb I had a good impression of Jeb Bush like I I thought when you looked at Jeb Bush didn't you say to yourself this guy looks like a cool character like no if if no but he looked like he was an in control um calm reasonable exactly the person you'd want if the if the nuclear you know question came up if there was some big decision Jeb Bush isn't going to get excited about he seemed like a competent CEO competent CEO exactly and as soon as Trump said low energy could you see him any other way he was low energy and he will always be low energy and lion Ted now lion Ted lion Ted was beautiful L

16:24because you knew that because he's a politician sometime in the next several months he's going to say stuff that you can say is a lie whether it is or not that's just doesn't have to but more importantly uh Ted has a physicality about him that unfortunately he's got be eyes and I've said this before that if you're going to cast a movie oh we need a guy who looks dishonest right it would be his face right and unfortunately I mean I don't know if he's actually dishonest I'm not going to make a judgment so who came up with the Zodiac Killer thing was that a trump fan or was it Trump himself that started saying that Ted was the Zodiac Killer uh I think that probably started with a fan but so the the other thing that was harsh man he'd be giving speeches are you the Zodiac Killer people would scream it out like imagine having to deal with that and did your father kill

17:17you know somebody yeah yeah yeah his father was maybe his dad was the Zodiac Killer is that what the because Zodiac Killer was like the 70s right he might not be old enough oh so crooked Hillary crooked Hillary same thing so crooked Hillary is a brilliant one so she wasn't physically you know as limber as a a young person so you could imagine her sort of a little bit crooked physically and you knew that there would be stories coming out in which people could say well there's another example of that crookedness did you see but you thought of that in a physical sense like the way she looked all I thought about is corruption I heard crooked Hillary I I saw her like with like a burglar's mask on trying to sneak away with bags that had dollar signs on them yeah that's what I saw you know if you look at any one of these individually his nicknames you you could say well it's sort of

18:04random he just got lucky but if you look at them all they all have that physicality they all have the uh the priming so that you know you'll confirmation bias will kick in whatever you see after that will just fit the label because it's the first thing you think of well he's a performer you know you you you can say Donald Trump is a businessman he most certainly is he most certainly is a real estate investor but he's been a public figure for decades and when you're a public figure you're a performer he's performing all the time and he's also he likes to win and so when he's engaging in people he makes it personal so he's gotten very good at what's called playing the dozens you know what playing the dozens is tell us it's a insult thing you know like you can like one guy like guys in the the hood in the inner cities this is started out as a black term buty it's

18:54essentially like a version of a your mama contest like some guys are way better at your mama jokes they're way better at playing the dozens they're way better at at on other people around them and it's for the entertainment of each other it's a huge thing amongst commedians we on each other constantly left and right but it's generally encouraged and we all enjoy it you know but when a guy has decades and decades and Decades of this like Donald Trump at a very high level because he's known to be a billionaire investor who puts his name on everything everything and still wouldn't B and which I talk about developing systems for succeeding and one of the systems is to um and you do this too um stack together what I would call ordinary skills until your stack is different than anybody else's so in my case I'm not a great artist you know I didn't take any WR writing

19:43courses but I'm pretty good at drawing and I'm pretty good at writing and I'm a little bit funny so I put them together and I can do a comic strip because it's rare that you get somebody who's let's say in the top 10% of three different things but it's not hard to be in the top 10% of things if you're if you're going after them so if you look at Trump he wrote a book on negotiating so he he knows business he knows negotiating he knows public speaking he has a sense of humor a really good one he's quick on his feet um now he knows politics you know from both the inside and the outside um he knows Twitter if you you know I could probably go on and you would say if you looked at any one of those things he's not the best you've ever seen you know he's not the best public speaker the funniest person Etc but there aren't many people who can do all of those things in the top 10% but but as a

20:32public speaker I don't think he's nearly in the top 10% I think he's I mean I'm just being honest I think he has uh very poor efficiency of of words like um he uses he repeats himself when it's not really important and when when he repeats itself what I what I usually see is like someone searching for the next thing to say you know what I'm saying like he'll say you know I'm going to be honest with you I'm going to be honest with you okay I'm going to be honest with you here he'll do that in a way that is not it's not efficient it's not efficient but it's persuasive and that's why he does sometimes but it also no repetition repetition is sometimes sometimes and sometimes it's clunky yeah I feel like he I feel like there's a lot of times where it's his style to do that and he's done it before but even like in delivering lines you've got to know when to not talk like here's

21:25a perfect example when he said that he called the president the president of Mexico up and they had the conversation about the wall and he said the wall just got 10 foot higher he's like yeah that's what I said that is what I said like he repeats that St he should have just let it hang he should have just said the wall just got 10 foot high they would have went crazy and he could have walked back and forth and just sucked it in but he kept talking see that's not the best speaker like Obama I feel is a way better public speaker way more efficient with his words way better control of the sentences that he speaks but it's more Prof I I think you're judging on a standard that I probably wouldn't use so I took the Dale Carnegie course teaching you how to be a public speaker and their course taught you zero technique it was a it was a course on public speaking in

22:12which they taught you nothing about technique the things that you're saying he's doing right not necessarily technique well let me just finish this sure I'm sorry what they taught you was just confidence and and if you were happy and confident you would almost always do well even if you make a mistake you just correct so he's strikes me as The Confident Dale carnegi type of speaker the person who's who's selling an emotion all right it's an experience you're not going there really to get information it's it's not really you know well-crafted jokes you're looking for you're going there to feel something and you can't you can't deny that 30,000 people in a a stadium with red hats on you know they were feeling something so in terms of delivering an emotion top 10% H interesting um well I think that for absolutely one thing you could say is he knows how to do the Donald Trump

23:03thing and the Donald Trump thing is very different than the rest of the politicians thing the Donald Trump thing is not humble the Donald Trump thing will tell you about his past successes and use them to tell you how he's going to be successful in the future the Donald Trump thing when confronted with certain things like the thing about you know him saying something about Hillary lacking stamina and then he s goes off about having a winning temperament I have a winning temperament there's not a lot of people who could do that in that sort of a political form like if if say Mitt Romney was running for president he started saying I have a winning temperament they'd be like oh Ms gone crazy right I mean you remember how Howard Dean got knocked out of the race just for screaming he just screamed at a rally and it was over the wind came out of the balloon but you know what you

23:47know what Howard Dean did wrong what he only screamed once it's all it's all about contrast well he also didn't make fun of it you know he should have come on and he should have done something to make fun of it he should have had a speech where he talked about so I got a little carried away folks you know like he he he hid from it it feels like he could have fixed that yes yeah I had that I had that feeling at the time well if the problem was it was contrary to what he was selling you know he was selling this buttoned up package deal and in the middle of that package deal is a pro wrestling fan screaming from a suplex you know you know like Hulk Hogan suplex is the iron Chic and I mean that's what it was like I mean that's not the guy who you want to have the button so if you heard of these studies uh I think this has been replicated and Fairly reliable that if you want to

24:34addict somebody to something let's say this you your show um if you gave them a really good product every time it actually wouldn't be as addictive as if once in a while it wasn't good and they had to sort of like wait and anticipate oh there's that good one again right so uh unpredictable rewards are far more addicting than predictable so uh Hillary Clinton who rewards you every time but it's just about the same is not going to be nearly as addicting as Donald Trump who disappoints the out of you you're like God I was just starting to like you why did you say that that way right and then two weeks later he comes out with something you say I love you again and you know so it's he's got that addictive uh pattern going well I'll tell you what once all that grab the stuff got out of the way um he was doing a lot of speeches in the rundown the last few days and I watched

25:26a few of them on television cuz I I I've almost felt like even though I knew I was going to vote I almost felt like some sort of a spectator like this is this cannot possibly be real to speak to your software simulation idea in the beginning that a lot of people share by the way it's not just crazy Scott Adams and me but there's a a lot of folks out there that think that we're living in a simulation right but as he would give these speeches and there were some of the speeches he gave where there was these moments and you're like if someone could tell that guy to keep it at seven like where he's at right there and talk like that always and avoid all the crazy but man the crazy is what you get like that's that's the thing about people like Trump or like any powerful super Dominator type character like that going have some flaws a lot of them look look what he kept saying all the time he

26:19was always saying he was the energy guy energy guy look at my crowds the other one has no stamina this one's you know low energy um he knew the fact didn't matter he knew the policy didn't matter and by the end I think everybody agrees they didn't I mean by by election day not a lot of people were saying well I sure like that TPP stand I mean nothing like that was happening there was no issues no issues it just it just came down to which one you hated the more well there was one issue though that was real and that was amongst feminists there was amongst women who were willing to exonerate Hillary on all the weird that she had ever done involving women and uh all the stuff that she had done involving deleted emails and you and I had heard people even say that people were giving her a hard time because she's a woman on her health and I was like you are out of your

27:13mind if you believe that she's falling asleep when she's standing up that is bad that is so bad if that was anyone close to me anyone close to me I'd be like you're not going to be president we got to get you healthy you're blacking out while you're standing up and it's not just once she fell down once in 2012 got a serious concussion and was up for 6 months me as a person who's terrified of brain trauma that freaks me the out because I know the repercussions of brain trauma I know the impulsiveness that it it it bestows upon people it's a horrible curse that happens that's happened to a lot of people I know right so I knew there was this weird delusional thing where people didn't want to address the fact that her health is poor and then it was revealed in one of the Wikileaks uh emails that she had suffered from some sort of a a not a stroke but a seizure in 2015 like that's a year ago

28:04like what is happening like you got to but nobody wanted to talk about that and there was this strange air that she's not being treated fairly I'm like here's treated fairly she is a person who deleted 30,000 emails after she got a subpoena she's an older rich white woman if she was a 40-year-old black guy and she deleted 30,000 emails after subpoena they would just shoot you right they would just come over your they would kick down your door and cuff you and drag you off to a cage somewhere so how weird is am am I right winger what's going on here how weird is it that we went through that entire election cycle and so many people like you and like uh like me were saying I'm not sure she looks healthy enough she's definitely not healthy now she of course met all the standards of past presidents but what what person ever interviewed her and said look there are a lot of

29:00questions about your health and asked the question this way can you look the American public in the eye and tell us there's no major health problems that you haven't disclosed I would never ask her a question like that because I don't think she'd ever give you a real answer the same way with the FBI but you could tell by the way she evaded it whether she was lying she's a wizard at that though that's that's her that's her man that red cape where the bull just goes flying by you know how you can always tell a liar Li liar will say something like so so if you said to me uh Scott uh you know have you ever had any major health problems I'd say I have met all the requirements of the presidency say oh no no I'm asking you a specific question is there anything not disclosed and then I say Donald Trump hasn't disclosed any more than I have disclosed that's a person

29:48who's hiding something right otherwise they look you right in the eye and they go I swear I'm great you know everything's good I promise you nothing's going to come out later when I'm president pres you will not be disappointed in any way cuz nobody can say that if they think they're going to get bitten in the ass in a year and a half when they collapse on the White House lawn my my point was in saying that is that if you if you any way described her health issues that you would somehow be a sexist and that the idea of her gender and being the first female president which obviously would be very historic right huge issue huge huge honor um that that that was a part of what they were voting for it became a part her gender became a part of what they were voting for and so that was an issue let me give you the the the positive spin on the same topic CNN published 24 um pundit

30:42explanations of why Trump won unexpectedly 24 different theories about why we didn't see it coming in the top 24 none of them were she's a woman so couldn't get you know couldn't get not in the top 24 right so if we may pause for a moment from piling on Miss Clinton I got to say that the whole breaking the glass ceiling thing she did that that that's toast there's there's no six-year-old born today who says woman can't be president that's not even in their worldview that's so not true I'll find you five sixy olds will say it right to your face I'll bet not I get a bunch of them together can a woman be president I get some boys together I give them candy high-five them you can trick them that's true towi into anything for candy that's I I mean I know what you're saying though I know what you're saying that she got as she won the popular vote right as as far as

31:35current count right but who are you seeing saying oh if you know it was sexism that didn't get her elected feminists feminists that I know I mean there's a lot of people that actually believe that and you know what man there's a a whole spectrum of variables and if someone's thinking about if they're hovering over uh you know if they're looking at Gary Johnson and Hillary Clinton maybe those maybe they're like never Trump maybe they're one of those people like one one of these going to get my vote they might start thinking man I don't know if I want a woman president that's absolutely a factor have you heard anybody say that yes yes and and what did they say do they friend of mine she's a yoga instructor it's a woman she goes are crazy I I don't want a woman running this country that's for real that's a real statement I mean that's a human being that who was just

32:18talking to me and we're friends and no one was around and do you think that she would vote on that yes I think there's many people that would vote on that but there's many people that will like this man I don't care what Hillary did I don't care if Hillary's got a bunch of rape victims buried in her backyard that's a woman she represents women and probably Donald's got more you know there's that attitude too there's a lot of people that would only vote for a woman if given the chance yeah so I don't know how You' net it down because I think it was a net positive there's 300 million people in this country plus Mexicans I don't think you really can net it down like that I just think there's too many of us I don't think I think that's one of the things that we learned from this really important lesson when it comes to polls they're not real anymore they're not real you

33:02you're not talking to me you're not you're not answering polls Jamie doesn't answer a God damn poll look at them no one no one you know answers polls it's just such a small sampling of people and the people that answer polls they don't have anything better to do than answer a poll right not good it's a jury duty problem yeah it's exactly what the problem is so I think we learned that definitively these polls do not work well if I could defend uh Nate silver for a moment who Nate Sil who that guy again he does 538 website the best best statistician on politics well it's not his fault he just worked with the data he has well but he was also within 2% I think was he yeah so so at the end but you know they they always converge toward the end you know they start out wildly ridiculous and then when it's clear that it's going to be one way or the other all the polls start coming

33:52toward the end because they want to say well at the end I was only 2% off Jamie and I were watching this video clip of The Young Turks uh calling down the election yesterday and at the beginning of it they were 100% convinced that Hillary could not lose you know there was one guy was saying you know Hillary can't lose like she like literally it's mathematically imp and then by the end they were screaming and swearing it was like wow these numbers that people like count on like 84% say this 15% say try try to imagine my life I don't know if you know this but a year ago more than a year ago I predicted that Trump would win with with a 98% certainty in a landslide it went it all I was one of the few people who who said it early and this is because of the way he was so persuasive yeah just based on his his talent not but this was pre the Rosie O'Donnell thing if it was a year

34:43ago I think it was over the summer that it was like August last year that the first debates were I think you're right but that wasn't a year ago right that was a little bit more than a year ago but whatever we're splitting Harrison okay um so back then when I predicted that uh you can imagine the heat I took because it was such an unlikely pick and how many people just wanted to dance on My Grave for being wrong and and they angry at you and angry yes going to my you know going over to Amazon give me bad book reviews because they didn't like what I said about Donald Trump so that moment when I find out that I haven't wasted my whole year cuz it would have been a terrible year to be so wrong for a year and then there's like no pay off whatsoever it was like the it was like the worst gamble ever bad risk management um but then to have it come come through just the way I predicted it

35:39um was this amazing amazing moment you only get a few of those in your life well he did really wi win by a landslide so that you were off by that that's it small electoral Landslide oh electoral yeah I guess so right elctro he won by quite a few points right yeah but it wasn't it was pretty close up until how many hours in soon as we started doesn't doesn't matter yeah it doesn't matter it doesn't matter here's the thing that I think it's important to make a distinction and this is what I recognize on you when I watched some of your periscopes and I you just weren't making a moral Judgment of him as a person and that's what people expected people expected A Line in the Sand to be drawn morally what you were doing was talking about all of his traits you were compounding all of his positive traits and what he what he does well and then people got mad at you for

36:31bringing like you're you're analyzing it like say if you're a scientist and you take a a plant that you find in the Amazon you're like well what does this plant consist of let's break down the parts you were kind of breaking down the parts of what he does and where what he's effective and it didn't seem to me I'm like this doesn't seem like a guy who's like a there's a few guys out there that are like rabid rahr Trump supporters and some of them we it's super transparent there's a few guys out there that I'm watching them and I know what they're doing what they're doing is they're latching on to the Trump train they're latching on like really shamelessly where they they tweet about Trump all the time now well they never give a about him a while ago like over the last six months they've jumped on this because they recognized there's a tremendous amount

37:12of loyalty and momentum behind being a trump supporter and a fan because it's a tough stance to take so guys that are already marginalized they already kind of like Fringe and people think they're kind of maybe creepy they're like this I'm going full creep and they jump right in and it's kind of it's real transparent interesting you know obviously that's just my take on it they might actually be really Trump supporters and they're super excited but uh I sent some disingenuous Behavior out there yeah careful careful Trump train you might have some hobos on your wagons you know I think what's different about this election and about Trump in particular is that it used to be we were electing a leader right someone who would be a role model and all that I think he threw that all out the door and social media throws even more out the and what I mean is I think the public is

38:00the leader now I mean I think no laws get passed unless the majority of the public wants it to get past anything that gets a little out of line social media just throws it back in line and more than ever I think we hired an employee rather than a leader I feel like I hired a plumber you know uh someone who's just really good at a specific set of skills negotiating you know maybe doing something with the budget whatever needs to be done secure the borders but it's sort of like you know picking a lawyer you know I don't I don't care what he's doing in his personal life he's not my role model and by the way which of our kids are looking to 70-year Old Men as the role models anyway I mean I don't know if that happens a lot anyway but I think I think he really is going to be the first sort of people's president you see his policies changing in real time and the

38:50the example we talked about earlier when um you know he had he misspoke and he said women should be punished if they get an illegal abortion it turns out that the law and both Republicans and Democrats think that's crazy because it would discourage you know it would encourage the wrong behavior and so only the doctor is punished but you saw him change his opinion in 24 hours just by being a little more informed and hearing that the public was all on the same side so what that's interesting so he he he'll Bend with the breeze and you're not going to call it flip-flopping which is what the common political term is right right in the in the political realm it would be flip in and you know he has no moral backbone but you're saying it's receptive to the Public's desires he's a business person in the business realm it's more like AB testing which is you're rapidly testing things

39:38you see what the response is and you adjust if you don't get the right respon but that's also like one of the criticisms of them is that he talks off the cuff without really having researched or thought deeply about these subjects and when you're talking about a guy who's supposed to be the leader of the greatest country the world's ever known like that guy should probably not do that I'm going to put I'm going to put a different filter that okay from the persuasion filter since facts and logic and you know policies and stuff don't matter as much as you want when you see him ignoring things that you just think man a reasonable person would not say that a reasonable person would not ignore that he ignores things because they don't matter you think he's ignoring something very important and he would perform better if he did what you imagine is the right way to act I don't think so but

40:23you don't think it's important to not arrest women who get illegal abortions no I'm saying but you know what I'm saying like that's an important thing to pay attention to right if you have an opinion on it well what I'm saying what I'm saying is that the things you would need to know to be a president okay and let's say let's say Hillary Clinton knows them all let's say she's a 10 and a 10 of just knowledge if he's a a six which probably is even generous there probably isn't any decision that he won't have advisors we're filling him in I see he becomes informed as he needs to know it exactly the way CEO would run something okay so this is not really related to that one particular subject no that was just an example of him I what you're saying changing when he would became more informed he didn't he didn't stick to an old opinion even as the facts changed

41:09right right and he's done the same thing with Obamacare as well right met with Obama and said okay maybe there's some things about Obamacare that we might want to keep so what he does we call pacing and leading in the in the hynosis persu is not called bullshitting uh no and here's how it's different what he does is he agrees with people emotionally first he gets you on your side emotionally so if you're really concerned about immigration for example he doesn't just say yeah yeah I'm I'm concerned about that too that would be sort of a Hillary Clinton approach being less concerned that you are but you know I got other priorities he's way more concerned than you are if you're a little bit worried about immigration he's worried about you know Isis coming over here and putting people in cages and cutting off heads and my God there's a hordes coming over the

41:53border so he's so on your side that when he changes toward the middle and you knew he had to because you have to do that when you get in the general election that his side was not feeling betrayed because they're saying well if he's changing the specifics of his policy it must be because he looked into it and that's what's practical that's interesting that's what's practical so they're willing to go with him if they feel that he's on their side emotionally so he always sides with people emotionally goes as big as possible uses hyperbole he says he does that M and he gives him also gives him room to negotiate back to the middle and everybody says my God I'm happy now you're negotiated back to the middle wow that's interesting it's interesting but you why do I feel he's just getting lucky I feel like he's dealing with really shitty competition Hillary

42:41Clinton is a terrible example of someone who should be running the country in so many ways and she beat him in the popular vote you know what I mean she's like she's got a lot of dirt on her so she beat him in the contest they weren't having there was only one contest that's true and he won that one true what's hilarious is in 2012 he was saying it was a rigged system because of that contest you know I mean he was talking about the popular vote and you know how it was it which which what year was it where it went to Al Gore what year was it where Al Gore won the popular vote but or was it did Carri won the no Carri never won the popular vote right it was just Al Gore Al Gore won the popular vote against Bush right yeah by like a half a million yeah so every year there's going to be this conversation anytime the vote is close uh um but you what you see is

43:29that um Trump doesn't care about let's say the consistency or what somebody would say is being a hypocrite uh I I tweeted this recently that the least persuasive thing you could ever say in politics if you're trying to change somebody's mind is that person's a hypocrite in all the in all of history that's never changed anybody's mind nobody ever said oh slap my head I didn't real realize that you mean about a politician about a politician yeah yeah well we accept a certain amount of but we also accept that they used to say one thing and now they say another and it just seems so normal it's in the Baseline don't you think that the being the president is an impossible job it's impossible it just doesn't seem like anybody can really do it it's both impossible and the easiest job in the sense that the Office of the President and all the advisers and all the public

44:20opinion is going to force you down to just a few possible options and those two options will you will not have enough information to know which one's better so so anyone anybody guessing among the last two options that they've narrowed it down to there's a little bit of luck involved I got to say and how so what do you mean by this well you have to match the personality and the time right so so you could have a a president who was just terrific in Wartime but weren't much good in anything else so they'd be you know next thing you know they're on Mount Rushmore because but you have Obama whose primary job was winding down to Wars and basically cleaning up another bass and you know keeping us from a larger Pro problem you know the economy melting down so Obama is really the presidency of things he prevented that could have been worse but I would put him in the top 20%

45:14of presidents so my view of him is very positive and I think even Obamacare is a genius persuasive move even in its failure because he set it up that way and he said that publicly uh he's said um I'm going to launch it ugly I'm paraphrasing didn't get exactly what I wanted in this law but once it's out there it'll be impossible for politicians to pull back coverage they'll just have to fix it so where are we today everybody's saying Obama total failure with that Obamacare because we're going to keep the good parts key wordss keep the good parts exactly as he planned and said so publicly he said it he said it publicly he said I'm do this ugly wrong and you're going to have to fix it because it's going to be the only choice you have and that's what that's what Trump's going to do he's going to fix it so what is he going to fix probably he's going to keep the main

46:10parts and probably shift some money around from something you know I'm not I'm not sure the fix looks like a miracle fix I I don't know that that's in our future and I'm no I'm no expert on Obamacare well there's this weird thing that we've done now with uh with Trump that I've never seen before where we've we've narrowed him down to chants and slogans like I talked in this podcast about I was uh in New York City at the time of the uh protests because I was there for the UFC and uh we were walking from the gym to the hotel and we just got caught in this wave of people screaming with really crazy signs man there wasn't a whole lot of love and compassion on their signs the the we were talking about this before the podcast started that the left has become something very different it's like this really aggressive uh insulting shaming and even the call for violence like there's

47:04people with rape Melania signs it's like this is CRA yeah there's pictures of them online so the the big question is since I have one foot in the you know the alt-right world because I sample everything over there but I'm also watching CNN and regular media and these these folks live in completely different realities because they have different information cuz they're looking at different sources So within the conservative side of things it is is understood universally understood that the protesters are professional and they're paid by you know Soros and by the way I'm not saying this I'm saying what their view is on the other side people think it's a true Grassroots movement um and so the view is completely two different worlds well there may very well be some people that have been paid to protest but there is absolutely a bunch of people that are protesting because they're upset does

47:56you're I mean they might be fluffed up a little bit I don't know but there's definitely people that are just young people that are pissed off or old people that are pissed off there's people that are just upset the question is whether the U protests would have lasted and spread and and been as well organized I love a good protest Scott Adams it's fun you feel like you're doing something you're blocking Wilshire you people you know this guy I mean what I was saying about it boiled down to a um a slogan like there's a bunch of not my president you know like that kind of like Donald Trump KKK like there's they want to like yell out things that they associate with him which I've never seen before about a president yeah so so I write about this extensively so the best persuasion is fear right so in the beginning of the election uh Trump had the best persuasion because he was saying the

48:47terrorists are coming in you know I'll stop him there's criminals coming across the border Clinton was talking boring policies and hey I'm experienced so she didn't have a chance against you know you're going to die tomorrow right by Summer she obviously had some professional help meaning somebody who's a cognitive scientist or a professional Persuader and she started using the D the term dark all the time and all the surrogates used it at the same time oh that's dark dark dark and she started coloring him as a huge racist you know dictator dangerous to the world and the most dangerous thing in the world CU if you're worried about terrorism you're really worried about somebody else getting killed cuz you're not really thinking you get killed by the terrorist you know even if it's pretty bad somebody else is getting killed but Clinton painted a picture to make you

49:36afraid of of uh you know the nuclear Holocaust created by Trump tweeting something at 3:00 a.m. and I don't know hitting the button accidentally and so that was the ultimate fear so she really had that going so uh and when she you know lost she had all these people activated who would have been in stantly deactivated if Trump had lost but there's no deactivation on the bomb now she created this Society societal bomb that is these protests and the way people feel there these people literally believe that Hitler was just elected you know a version of Hiller who will Who will and I saw actually saw today a journalist talking about you know concentration camps and and and that sort of thing I believe nothing even remotely like that's going to happen or you know or I would obviously be on on the side of the protesters so it's it's not their view of the world is that

50:36the Trump supporters know he's a racist and they installed him because they want him to go do racist things Trump supporters know that even within the ranks it's like I don't know 2% people are are actual racists and I've never met one like the the hardore kind I never even met one um I bet we could introduce you to some people if we just asked around yeah I I I think it wouldn't be hard to find one but Alonzo Bowden had a very funny line he said not all Trump supporters are racists but all racists are Trump supporters so the so what we have here is a situation where the racists are living in their own little world and they think they actually you know got their guy right most Trump supporters just like hey less taxes you know they're thinking they like as personality they just like something about him and the Clinton sporters think that that Hitler actually

51:25got elected so they're acting on that so and so what's happened is that Clinton has somewhat accidentally because she thought she was going to win at which point this whole problem goes away uh someone accidentally created this gigantic societal bomb that there's there's no way to diffuse but a number of people including me are trying to figure out how to literally dehypnotize people who are in this illusion that that World War I just started whoa It's it was very disturbing to me one of the one of the big ones was when she was confronted about um the DNC hack and uh her emails and all that stuff the the Hacked emails from her server where she diverted attention by saying that it was Russia that did this and that there would be repercussions and then she said even possibly militarily like that's the worst diffusion of responsibility ever like we're talking about you deleting emails

52:24after a subpoena and your argument is that the Russians got those emails and we should bomb them I mean that that's literally what she's saying that was crazy when she said there would be repercussions militarily to Russia like what Russia you're not talking about invading Puerto Rico it's Russia like you're saying there's going to be military invasions because someone stole your email that wasn't secure I'm going to defend her please do I'm going to I'm going to surprise you a little bit oh boy here we go we have a drink um do you drink I don't anymore anymore when did you stop uh I it just gave me sinus problems so I stopped several years ago I feel much healthier all right dude um no pressure what was I talking about uh you were going to defend Hillary Clinton because I was saying that her saying that we were going to attack Russia because of emails it's kind of crazy so the way

53:17leaders talk with each other is you know this is my red line don't this is a serious that's not the same as saying if you got my email I'm going to bomb you tomorrow there is there is a certain amount of seriousness which you must convey which is separate from what are you actually going to do agreed so she was conveying um a 10 out of 10 maximum code red seriousness if you if you got my emails and and and it changed the course of our you know of our Republic because that's where she was at alleged now I don't know if anything any of this happened and there there smart people who said maybe the Russians were in or some Russian hackers were involved or something here problem there's no evidence that the Russians did it not only that the FBI and the CIA don't think there's Russians don't think the Russians did it like it wasn't something that there was any definitive proof it

54:08was find out who Jamie see if you could pull this up who believed that it was Russia and who didn't believe it was Russia cuz there was some like very prominent security people that were hired to investigate zero evidence it was Russia so it was just a diffusion it's and you could tell that it was a planned diffus because of that White House correspondence press dinner she made a joke about riding a horse with with Putin like she made this Russian joke so there's this like theme and it was a joke too whoever wrote it should be slapped it was terrible like the way it was set up it was it was like if if somebody if somebody pitched that around the joke writers table you know like was it like it was Tony henchcliffe and you know Jeff Rosser they'd be like no no no that one's not going to make it that's a terrible joke it's just not a good joke and she you know didn't know how to

54:57deliver it either and it was just a clunky extra attempt to connect Putin and Trump because people are scared of Russia but it was so shitty and ham-handed that it just didn't work and everybody knows there's no evidence I mean there's no evidence of Russia's doing anything none I I think the Russia thing took her from you know Syria States person you know the most experienced person who ever ran for president to a little bit ridiculous yes she got desperate I I suppose it's a desperate move she didn't have any other options she she went Code Red yeah she T started talking back she started making things up back and connecting him to like it was just the whole thing was so sorted to me that was the most unfortunate thing about it when you do see all this stuff on TV one thing that you can't deny it might not affect you and it might not affect me but there are certain people

55:50that fou the tone of the leaders of this country and when you have a guy who's the president who you know is going to say insulting call John Stewart a in in a tweet at 1:30 in the morning like that sets the tone for the country and it's going to make some people very happy there some people that love to talk they love to insult people and they're like yeah Open Season the way I described it I said political correctness took a missile to the dick cuz that's what it was like like this is the this is the guy at the top of the totem pole and we we can relax our standards now and all the things that have been annoying you about people nitpicking about behaviors and insults and you know safe words and safe spaces and all that stuff's kind of gone uh yeah I I mean so it does affect the way people think and behave right there there's almost nobody who won't use the

56:39word in public now do do do do you remember so many months ago when that just wasn't a thing that's so true you couldn't say that that's so true it became like a constant like dinner table talk like people sitting around talking saying grab the yeah and it's coming from women it's it's not even it's not even not even men my girlfriend said it so true it's so true that is so true that's interesting yeah well you know I think that we go one way and we go the other and I think that people get tired of too much left they want some right and I think that's why we went from Carter to Reagan that's why we went from Bush to Clinton I just think that's what we do I think it's what we've always done yeah and I think people are t i I also believe and I've said this publicly I think the whole Caitlyn Jenner thing had a big effect on because people were like what in the are we

57:28doing that's the athlete of the Year this is woman of the year for Glamour magazine and then you see her on the Ellen show and she doesn't believe in gay marriage and you're like this is we're this is madness we we accepting Madness as being okay and I think because of that like we're so accepting and so sensitive that anything involving gender gets a free pass on all of its ludicrous aspects like she's a ludicrous person but we gave her to free pass because she used to be a man then she became a woman and she doesn't believe in gay marriage it's so crazy when when Ellen asked her about it she was like well I'm kind of a traditionalist like what what what the did you even just say you're you're a traditional girl holy this is crazy but we're not supposed to say anything we're supposed to just accept it well there's people at home all across the country throwing their

58:18beer cans in the kitchen just what the are we doing what what are we doing and I think there's this reaction when things go go way tooo far left when there's you know 78 different gender pronouns that you have to learn when you know political correctness takes some crazy path where you're removing the general Le's Confederate flag from the roof and pulling it off a TV Land we got to get this it's like things go so far left that there's an automatic slingshot effect and they start going right again I'm okay with getting rid of the Confederate flag by the way I think they could have well you know it does represent bad things to people but can you just like go in there and CGI that or something or is it okay to have it in there because it represents the past right like you could go to you can go to watch um Al Jose videos on YouTube you can watch them here here's my take on

59:08that people don't ask a lot from other people but you so you have this Confederate flag bunch of people like it because it's like oh it's the past it's the South so you know you want to respect that people like what they like but another big part of the public is just really really offended by it like not in a normal offensive way like you know oh you said a bad word but like you know the deepest you know pain the country has ever experienced you know the slavery so if you can't if you can't allow your fellow citizen you know that little bit of respect it's like yeah this is really inconvenient I wish I could keep my Confederate flag whatever but they're not asking a lot all right that's just not a lot that's true unless you own the Dukes of Hazard you're like where's is my money what the are you kidding me we've we played it for 50 years what happened you well it

60:03represents not just slavery which is one of the most awful things that has ever happened to human beings the other awful thing is war represents a war Civil War so the two most awful things right slavery and War it represents both of those it represents a war between two people in the same two groups of people on the same land mass over slavery so it's death on top of horrific ENC capturing and and enslaving of people it's like everything bad and I hate to be insensitive but they weren't The Winning Side true so they did lose but what's interesting is it just a few decades ago whenever the Dukes of haszard was on TV it didn't bother us at all that's really fascinating to me that they were allowed to have it and it wasn't an issue but I don't know I don't yeah maybe just people weren't thinking about it that way but once you started thinking about it so the thing is isn't

60:54it fascinating that it wasn't an issue but we we're all aware of it all of our issues are psychological I mean you know once you got food and nobody's shooting at you right your problems tend to be mental yeah yeah yeah unless that whatever that image is is provoking violence right you know like the Nazi flag you can't have they lost two but you can't have that one we won't give you that one right yeah and again it's like people don't ask a lot that's just not a lot to ask to you know but isn't that fascinating like the English came when we had war with England right for Independence they killed a lot of Americans you could have an English flag flying high nobody gives a you know that ended so politely though did it I mean I I I think I think the British they lose territory better than anybody well they they'll like give you their sword stuff like well we conquered you

61:44know much of the world but uh okay this one didn't work out you put up a good fight good for you good for you take your country back it is interesting though that there's some people that would argue for the Confederate flag but almost no one would argue for the Nazi flag well probably somebody does but yeah I know what you're saying right you know I mean the Nazis I mean it couldn't have been that everyone in Germany was represented by the Nazis right the there's never a group there's never 100% compliance and group mindset of any country it's never existed right it's just not how people are so we give the Germans pass because they were a part of that whole Nazi flag thing but when we look at the Confederate flag like if you're down with that you have to be it has to be like the two core things one you're at war with the North and two you believe in slavery that's it

62:35you know it can't just be I'm a Leonard skinnard fan but you know images images like I said in the very beginning visual persuasion is the strongest it is you just want you just don't want to look at that thing if you're on the wrong side of you know that part of History I was thinking about that once because I went to chichin the uh where the Mayan pyramids are in the yukatan and uh when we were driving it's like a long drive to get to the pyramids and as we're driving I saw this giant Coca-Cola billboard I said how bizarre is that symbol like that symbol is so etched in the consciousness of most people in the modern world but to seed in the jungle was just so strange it's just this giant thing that represent I mean it's like instantaneous representation was it new or was it left over from the the the Mayan civilization had it before it was newer than that newer than that but I

63:31mean symbols are very strange I mean we we uh we accept them and they have become a normal part of our society when you're drive it down this the road and you go oh what kind of car is that and you see the bow tie oh it's a Chevy Like These symbols like the instantaneous recognizable symbols have you noticed how easily boys can recognize the model of a car oh yeah there's some kind of weird um gender specific skill I don't think so because Brian K doesn't know jack about cars Brian Ken could recognize like a Tesla and and a car maybe he's owned maybe but it would have to be in the last couple of years he doesn't know I've never met a grown man that's like a manly guy who knows less cares less about cars but still if you said what's that model car and he probably wouldn't know he'd see must dying and think it's a Camaro okay trust me I gu just brutal I've had

64:18conversations with him I'm that it's a 69 Mustang you can't tell you look at that that doesn't say that's a 69 Mustang thing to you turn in your goddamn America card turn it in boy like a 69 Camaro okay you see a 69 Camaro you should know what that is you should just know as a man I wouldn't know a 68 from a 69 you should look at the headlights the tail lights are different everything's different the 68 have the same boxy tail lights that the 67 had whereas the 69 is lengthened a little bit wow the 69 is the year that's the right year I'm Gonna Change my name to cait linon no you don't have to maybe she knows a lot about cars that was the other thing about the Caitlyn thing that drove me crazy she killed somebody knocked someone into traffic knocked some lady in the traffic CU she wasn't paying attention the lady went headon into traffic someone slammed

65:09into her and killed her a Hummer one of the last Hummers in America slammed in her and killed her and it never gets discussed she goes does talk shows and instead of talking about this horrific accident that caused some fellow human their life she talks about gender and nail polish well yeah exactly I did not know about this you didn't know about that yeah you didn't know see that's that's a big part of the problem I I've been mad at Caitlyn uh since since uh she was Bruce because I happened to be on a flight one time across country and Bruce at the time was in the seat in front of me and and leaned his uh seat all the way back and I couldn't use my laptop for five hours God damn it you're mad about that but that's could you lean yours back and You' have more room it doesn't really work that way cuz right yeah can you put your laptop in your lap like a actual

65:59laptop that could have worked you could have done Dam if I was right next to you had to fix this whole thing when you a grudge lap you're like I'm glad he's a chick he ruined my typing this this is why it's called the laptop yeah it sits on your lap but then your balls get really warm and they say it kills sperm so it depends on what you're trying to accomplish you know for some people they'd be just heating them babies up all the time if it's a long flight I might want to kill a few just to just to take the pressure off just to relax yeah the my friend Ari shafir always gets mad at that too people lean back on him because he's so so big he's like six what is are like 6'3 or something 6'4 he's super tall so he's got these goofy ass stork legs and you can't fit them under the seat anyway God I feel sorry for tall people anytime they try to travel anywhere outside

66:48their own house even in cars you know you get in someone's car sometimes and your legs are jammed up I'm like I'm 5'8 and my legs are jammed up yeah what does a giant person do yeah I'm trying to think like what would be my equivalent like how small would a car have to be so I could feel like what a what a shack feels like when he gets the car he has to take seats out and put seats in the back have you ever seen what they do to cars for him really yeah he's had some custommade cars where they literally take the seat out of the front and install it in the back because I mean that's not that look you know you think about it he's 7 ft tall so that just think about how much more length you're dealing with his arms his legs and then his the height like I bet they would have to lower the seat down so he could see better out of the windshield otherwise he has to kind of bend down

67:33every time he's driving I just have this vision of him with a Miata and sting sitting in the trunk I don't know I don't know with the trunk open you know just sitting I bet he can't drive a Miata I bet he can't I bet there's no way that he can get farther far enough back you just strap one to each foot and skated well he what he could do is just put the have the steering whe he's so rich he could have the steering wheel put in the middle and then push everything back no forget that idea but I know for for sure they had one of those uh custom TV shows custom car shows where they do things for people maybe it was Westside what is that one show west uh Coast West Coast West Coast Customs maybe it's that one famous company so they they took a car and they put the seat in the back for him probably still needed extra room it sounds like something you do for TV we

68:22got to we got to put the seat in the back Che maybe cuz I I got a feeling he drives regular cars somehow maybe there's probably some cars that he can't drive though like one of those old Porsches old tiny ones probably most yeah I would think yeah anyway point being what where we oh it's terrible to be J leaned back and up your day yeah and all went bad from there you know and look this there's nothing I mean he's not a terrible person she's not a terrible person it's not the worst human in the world it's just like when this gets paraded out as being like this very important Point well as soon as it gets paraded out and you make a big deal and you want to go on all these talk shows you want to talk about yourself and well they have to examine you as an actual person and not just stop at gender you know what I'm saying like you need like there's there's a lot of

69:09Representatives like for instance um the the woman who created serious satellite radio and also I believe she invented GPS she was born a man and had a sex change and uh met with her and I had an interview with her about her um her she made a robot she's super smart like crazy smart and is working on artificial intelligence and programming this woman um this like it's a head of her wife beina like she married her when she was a man and then became a woman they stayed together and beina is like this uh artificial intelligence thing that she's consistently updating as technology gets better she updates it and gets it more and more intense like if you want to focus on someone who's a transgender person like maybe that would be a good example instead of just concentrating on a guy who used to be really good at running and uh you know and now lived with a bunch of

70:07materialists on a reality show not just running but a combination skills sh which have no no purpose in real life yeah I mean so no no one's really into the cathlon sorry I'm sure he's awesome but nobody gives a that's why you don't any of those Sports where there's no professional side of it like there probably a reason Reon for that I say that but then that's not true because of wrestling I think wrestling is a great sport it doesn't have a professional venue you know other than like fake wrestling do you ever think about how weird it is that people can get invested in like a team yes like why why why do you care so much about your team I think about that all the time I'm constantly yes all the time we talk about it all the time it's a tribal thing people love being in a group they like being on team Trump they like being on team Hillary you know they're there I saw I was

70:56watching so much tribal Behavior leading down like arguments between people on Twitter it's like you guys are crazy like what are you doing you're arguing with people you don't even know and I look at their timeline I'll look at their timeline they're arguing for seven eight hours in a row like you could be doing so much to improve your life instead of like insulting Hillary supporters or insulting Trump supporters they're all it's it's just a weird natural thing people join teams they join tribes they have groups that they like but it makes sense when you're looking at say um your ethnicity because probably biologically we're you know we're primed to to prefer whatever looks like us right you know just you just naturally primed for that do you think that's true explain black guys and Asian chicks ready go I'm done I'm out it's over I'm out it's over but in general

71:51um anyway so but so it makes sense if you're looking at like big groups or a country or something but a sports team is such a a random collection of rules mhm that why you could be emotionally invested in that I've tried because it seems like such cheap entertainment well I want to you live a Wonderful Life Scott Adams you're a wealthy successful man and uh for some people there's not a whole lot to look forward to and this is not obviously I'm not using a broad blanket to paint all sports fans but I think that there's a lot of people out there that look to the success of their team and they get happiness or sadness from that and if you're in a team like if you're in Cleveland and they kick ass and and win the world title or I mean they have the world heavyweight champion of the UFC lives in Cleveland too like you get some Cleveland Pride you know well that almost works until you

72:43consider that there are like Raiders fans right like they just keep losing and losing Raiders is a different thing though and they got to be thinking this will not make me feel good at the end of the year yeah but Raiders is like I'm a badass Raiders is a weird one cuz Raiders is like rap music I'm a thug you know I don't give a I'm a Raiders fan it's a different thing Raiders is a that's a whole different animal and then the Cubs fan Cubs fans up until this year were like the loyal we hey I'm not really in it for the wins I just love the Cubs meanwhile the Cubs are new every year it's a different person yeah that's what's crazy it's a totally different group of humans than the Cubs from 5 years ago how could you love the Cubs these aren't even the same people yeah and then the team can just go to another town it's nuts yeah it's nuts like the LA Rams how do we

73:30get the Rams what the happened what are we doing here you know like and then what's going to happen to the Raiders they're going to go to Vegas now then are the Raiders fans going to follow them over to Vegas you know sometimes they don't sometimes people get mad teams leave and they get pissed off Vegas seems like a good fit though doesn't it yeah but it was all created because I mean all sports teams in this country essentially were a response to war being over and people thinking with real good reason that men at least need War they need some form of War to develop character and to to build strong like strong definitive Nations almost need to unite and bond with War and the concept was like well if we can't do that let's figure out some sort of a game that they can play and that's where football emerged but do you think that was conscious or it's just that it was

74:24conscious yeah no was yeah it was actually discussed like it's been discussed and there's been a lot of historians that have concentrated on leaders that have talked about the importance of conflict the importance of War and the um the the bringing the country together and uh the the support of nationalism the support of loyalty and honor and pride like all that a lot of it has to be connected with consequence and loss yeah I like that line of thinking well there was an Radio Lab podcast about when they invented football that went into this in Pretty in pretty much in depth God damn it I think it was Radio Lab I'm pretty sure it was it was either I don't know how else it could have been uh but it went into it pretty pretty in depth about the creation of football and how it was originally put together so that would explain why sports that are just clearly dangerous

75:18are still legal and and popular is that it Jamie yeah that's it American football yeah see that a little larger for my shitty eyes scroll up there yeah okay 1879 yeah that's right it was made in the carile Indian School formed in 1879 to assimilate children the grandchildren of Native Americans who fought in the plains Wars Fields the most American team of all oh yeah this was about these American Indians that were kicking ass playing football there was another there was another one that was about said the ghost of football pass that could be what you talking maybe this was the one that was about this uh American Indian team though was really interesting so football was invented by Native Americans no no no no there was just one badass team here it is right here end of the 19th century the Civil War was over Frontier was dead young college men are anxious this is it what great struggle

76:09will test their character then Along Comes a new craze football a brutally violent game where young men show a stadium full of fans just what they're made of Harvard Yale Princeton Penn the sons of the most powerful men in the country are literally knocking themselves out to win these gladiatorial battles so that's when it came up and then the Carlile Indian school they were beating the out of all the white dudes surprise yeah interesting yeah I think and then I forget I think they all assimilated I forget yeah the lot of the rules came because the Indians kept beating everyone so they said toate making a new rule and they all right we're going change this and beat you again Native Americans need to make a comeback they they had a lot of cool ideas um I think we them over by giving them casinos we made it all their towns Vegas I've I've got a small amount of Native

77:02American in me can you get money not not a profitable what do you need like 16% to get money you need like a certain amount you can get some cash uh I think it's even maybe less than that really or to qualify for whatever I'll have to look into that it may be the worst thing you can do to some people just tuck them away on this little patch of land isolate them from everybody else and you know they're watching the rest of the world change around them some sort of a strange way and they're they're Americans but they're not they're in some sort of a weird territory that they have ultimate control over and they start having gambling there and doing whatever the they want very strange but in some ways like what are the other what were the other options at the time other than giving them territory probably pretty ugly options I'm sure it's dark you really stop and think

77:51about the genocide of the Native Americans in this country and how that how rarely that that comes up and there's no flag which is really interesting when you you know obviously there are some Flags or some Nations but I mean there's no no one thing that represents our war with them that's no no offensive symbol other than like a few sports teams right like the Redskins or the Braves or both my high school and college were both the Warriors Warriors is not specific to a nationality ority logo logo was yeah yeah yeah it's weird man it's real weird that the fact that it was only a couple of hundred years ago is really weird it's a blink of an eye how long do you think people are going to live now it's a good question because I'm thinking I'm good for a 100 at least you oh okay you personally yeah I think you're probably you look healthy but a kid born today thousand years old

78:43they're going to be able to read minds well it depends also upon what a person becomes cuz I have a feeling they're going to come up with legs that are artificial that work way better than your real legs like I have a bunch of friends that have like fake hips or fake knees or you know they've had surgery and they've had a bunch of stuff fixed I know a lot of people that have had hip replacements like maybe a dozen so I've figured out that if I create enough um public information about me you know there's enough uh times I'm recorded like I'm being right now uh enough of my writing is in the public there's enough video of me that after I die I could be recreated in software who almost in full cuz you would have my everything from my personality my sense of humor my choice of words so some future program could just go to the internet Google my name and take all those sources and bring

79:38together an actual physical hologram that walks and talks like me 100 Years After I'm dead well Jamie you were just telling me about some software that they've developed that you can take someone's someone can say like I could make a statement Scott Adams is a really cool guy and always love hanging out with them and they can move the words all over the place which where it's a jumbled sentence and it doesn't make any sense and then change the inflection and it sounds perfect like listen to this we'll play some of it here it's called Adobe Voca I'll see if I can get this okay and and uh uh I kiss my wife and my dogs let me change the uh where are the dogs okay how can we let the dogs out be a great example of it those is terrible yeah it's like a 5 minute video where they he's called it like Photoshop for for audio oh okay so like it's manipulating audio in a way that people

80:33aren't used to or have even seen up until they've just shown this kind of demonstration so the point being if you could automate this if you could put this inside some sort of an artificial intelligence structure that knew when to inflect when to have a question when to like or maybe you would be a tech guy and you talk in upspeak you know what upspeak is right I love upspeak because it's so it's it's this weird thing that these Tech dorks do where they sort of talk in this really weird and predictable way and they all do it and basically it makes you seem like you're sensitive and intelligent and on the ball and it's a weird little sneaky thing that some of these Tech guys do where it takes you a while to go oh you're not smart at all you're crazy but you talk and upspeak you know they've they've decided to take on the Persona of a tech person somebody's really into I believe in

81:25Android Android's the future and and they they start they have this weird thing that they do at the end of each sentence they go up I'm not sure that exists outside of or California Silicon Valley it's huge in Silicon Valley I think it's more it's more prevalent in Northern California than it is in Southern California it's almost like they're halfway a like an NPR sort of uh radio personality halfway that and halfway a strip club DJ it's like they have this thing going on where it's a fake voice and they're talking about technology that's all I'm going to hear now now I'm now I'm going to hear that oh you'll hear it I'll I'll I'll give you some audio of people there's a bunch of people that they speak and it is an accent the same way a New York accent or a Boston accent is like you can recognize oh that's a tech dork like it's a non-original tech person who's

82:15speaking in this weird you you want people to understand that you're a tech person so you're speaking in a it's a literally a tech accent speak I might try that it's really fascinating women can do it too it's super important you know like there's a a almost a woman upspeak that you'll see occasionally on daytime talk shows where uh like a bunch of women will sit around and they'll be on a show and the woman or it's all audience the W women's um the audience is all women and there's all women on the panel and then they're cooking or they're talking about clothes and what the women's up speak is sentences don't end they just sort of stop talking do you ever know somebody who didn't have any way to end a story yes and they would they would talk forever they just keep going and then during the time of early cell phones when one person was talking the other

83:10person couldn't talk you didn't realize it all the time but it really was oneway communication and somebody would start and and I would start yelling into the phone stop stop talking you know bang bang bang you know let me in let me in well what I mean by sentences don't ever end it's not that they don't they stop talking but that they don't have it like if I said to you hey Scott it's 3:00 we should probably wrap this up in about an hour instead of that they would say hey Scott it's 3 o'cl we should probably wrap this up in about an hour and um and then they just keep going and then someone else chimes in what what about 4 o'clock is four o'clock a good time 4:00 is a good time 5:00's a good time 6:00 is a good time what about 7 can we do it at 7 7 is fine we can definitely keep going and there's no end there's no this is my laptop my laptop is black do they

84:03hear it themselves they love it they love to talk get together do you think do you think that if you meet somebody who has heard this podcast and they talk like that normally would they be unable to talk to you they' be too self-conscious no they'd be fine they'd say he's a dick and also didn't do such a good example dick I think that's what they I think he's a dick um it's not didn't give the best example of it either but I think what it is is that's how they enjoy talking I think they're they had to edit their conversations because men get tired quicker we just don't want to talk as much about certain stuff like we like Jesus Christ get on with the story finish it when does the story end but women get together to they love it they can just keep going a lot of them can at least you're reminding me of the the worst advice anybody ever gave is be natural you know be yourself

84:50cuz what the hell does that mean who are you if I were I'd be like you know sitting here naked masturbating and well maybe not right here but yes that was a terrible example sometimes that would let's go back get rid of that but that would be you sometimes right that's that is yourself but it's like yourself varies depending upon your company depending upon the environment depending upon the circumstances we're all acting all the time we're we're adapting to every situation yeah and you and you also want to be different sometimes so it's not even necessarily an act it's like like you know someone says hey Scott show show me that crazy handstand you do you're like I really that's not me right now right right yeah but we're always adapting this to the situation yeah but there's women that are like men too in that way the women want other women to shut the up and they want men to shut the

85:39up too like they're like godamn these people with their long ass boring stories it's not necessarily gender specific but it seems to be like women on talk shows during the day that are cooking do you ever have people who can't tell when they've G on to maybe me right there and I and I and you look at them and you think do they not know I'm giving all the signals of stop yeah you know in in the corporate world you know you'd always have a pen in your hand if somebody came into your cubicle and you wanted to leave you wouldn't put the pen down so so You' turn toward them but you'd keep the pen in your hand right and to Signal them that you were you know there for them you know you'd put it down and you'd turn toward them but if you if you turned with just the pen and be like dude the pen you do not see this pen still in my hand there's a weird thing that people do to you if

86:30you're on the phone well you're on your cell phone they will come up to you because your the physical presence trumps whatever you're whatever you got going on digitally right so like you're on the phone you might be having a really important conversation and someone go hey man Scott Adams hey how you doing man and you're like I'm on the phone hey I just want to tell you I really love Dill why you still talking you you know I'm in the middle of another conversation you've decided this person isn't here F them you said I want your attention I'm right in front of you I can touch you Scott Adams Dilbert's my hero I love you and behold your shoulder but you know you you you get the uh you get the celebrity thing that I don't get cuz I'm invisible like you're visual every you're visual you're on Periscope I knew exactly what you look like you in 7,000 people on Earth

87:12uh it's I think it's more I think they're Shadow Banning you I I I like that term we found out we were talking about that the other day Hillary for prison remember when we were saying rap Melania was actually a hashtag but Hillary for prison wasn't that's not what people were saying what people were saying is they were Shadow Banning that Hillary for prison hashtag meaning if you put hashtag Hillary for prison someone could search it and find it but if you put it it wouldn't show up in other people's feeds I don't know if that's true though has that been proven I I'm having a real tough time with what's proven because lots of people are sending me my own stuff and saying here's proof that you have been shadowbanned because look at this page and then compare it to this page and I always look at them and I go I'm not really a lawyer I I can't tell their here's how you find out very

87:59simple you're a wealthy man you have two laptops you make a second Twitter account don't use it for nefarious reasons don't get on and start on people under egg 59 or whatever the you would call it but you start a laptop you follow you you uh follow a few other people just for a goof and then you sit there and you watch your timeline well no I I do know that people are not getting my stuff in but here's what I'm saying you could find out yourself you could TW tweet from another computer as Scott Adam says so you do Scott Adam says you're following you on another computer that's in a different account and you watch have you done that no but I'm saying that other people have done that and they send me the screenshots but when I look at people are crazy they just want to talk to you Scott they want to be your friend they want to talk to you when you're on your

88:43cell phone hey man I love Gilbert who are you talking to you don't I'm right here man why didn't you try it yourself um I I guess I wasn't that curious come on man you talked about it you have to be curious I kind of like being Shadow banned do you like being Shadow banned or you like the idea of you being Shadow banned I like definitive proof that you're Shadow band I like I like the thought that I might be so dangerous to the minds of America that there's a major corporation who's actually making a a conscious decision say who the America has had a little bit too much of this guy let's dial him back a little bit well I kind of like that if Twitter didn't have a history of banning people you know like the Milo thing Milo yopos that was a big mistake wof big mistake because they didn't ban him for anything that like you could like put your finger on they banned him for influence and

89:36other people were saying mean things but you looked at the stuff that he actually said man you can't ban him for that that's just not that's not fair well certainly not compared to everything else that's on Twitter not even compared to things that Leslie Jones wrote you know yeah I mean the the person that he was supposedly attacking and what he was doing was he was targeting a piece of art and he critiqued it very harshly but that's what he does he's very wise uh with his uh choice of words he's very snippy and and that's his Persona that's what he's put together he's a lovely guy like I've had him on the podcast a couple times I enjoy his company he's a fun guy but godamn do people get pissed off at him it's it's kind of hilarious and so when that whole thing went down with the the Leslie Jones things and they I like I've absolutely didn't agree with all the

90:23people that were being mean and insulting to Leslie but that's kind of what happens if you put yourself out there with a piece of art right that people don't like and all he did was say that they were all ugly you know he was saying that it's a a bad feminist film because all the men are buffoons and all the women are saving the world and he's like it's Preposterous it sucks it's not good and the women are all gross and that's what he said and you know for that was it the last part that was all the trouble well it was I mean the fact that he was saying they were unattractive he was saying that not just to be but also in a point it was like he he made a point he's like they've decidedly picked people that were unattractive to make this sort of feminist point that these overweight women can save the world that they're the ones who are going to like they're

91:08targeting and that's why all the men are buffoons it's sort of Revenge like the idea being if you wanted to look at it broadly the idea being that these are the type of women that the guy like the Thor dude what's his name the guy was in that movie The really handsome fellow that plays Thor Chris Chris Chris's name no Chris is super SP no Captain America he Liam Hemsworth Hemsworth Hemsworth Chris Hemsworth right it's one of them am I right or is it Chris the guy who plays Captain America it's a it's a Hemsworth let's just call him Thor okay Thor's impossibly beautiful he's beautiful man he super handsome big perfect body and of course in this movie he's a I mean he is the dumbest guy that's ever walked the face of the planet he's preposterously dumb and then becomes the villain at the end so he represents like this unattainable goal of like having

91:56this gigantic beautiful man be attracted to you so they've turned him in this complete like if this was a woman in a movie it would be one of the most offensive portrayals of a woman ever and I'm sure it's been done I'm sure it's been done right especially like in the old days like I mean there was how many Dopey secretary roles were there in the world right so he was that the the male caricature of that but there's not a single other male in the movie that wasn't a complete buffoon every male a failure and ultimately gets killed and dies every woman saves the day and that's was Milo's point so in most forms of entertainment you need you know the dumb one and the smart one you know there's always going to be that contrast sure and in earlier times there were other people you could poke fun at and society would say oh yeah we make fun of that and you know the the the

92:44wife was the dumb one in you know the 50s and now some of it is just what Target can you get away with so there's there's a little bit of that it's like you know who's a soft target nobody's going to complain and men are the you know the current Target if you look at commercials almost all the commercials are the the woman is the smart one and the man did something stupid that she had to fix they sitcom every SI but I mean even in the 50s that was the case like the The Honeymooners Ralph Crampton was a his wife is the one who's always keeping him calm right he was always to the Moon Alice he was threatening to beat her right and his buddy his buddy was his idiot too and his buddy's wife was keeping her him in line yeah that was true for The Honeymooners yeah I mean any couple's sort of Comedy the man is a buffoon Married with Children Peg's always wanting sex Al's just all up he's

93:37trying to get away from her he hates his life everything falls apart on him his daughter's acting like a a little hussy right I mean that's the whole thing this poor guy his life's falling apart the guy's never okay all those movies the guy's a buffoon all those sitcoms the gu's a buffoon that's what like to see yeah but you know I'm looking at Elvis right behind you that's a different animal baby yeah come on I mean so there were a lot of movies where it was you know Frank sinatro you so maybe you have to go back further where where the man was the competent one and and the woman was always losing her high heel oh there's plenty of movies like that but in sitcoms in the sitcom world in the comedy world it's pretty much always the men's a buff man's a buffoon yeah I think that's fair to say for a lot you know King of Queens there's another one Kevin James is always

94:24ridiculous his wife always had to figure everything out he was ridiculous but how did he get this hot wife uh because he's on TV he's on TV I mean this is uh I mean we're going back to the the Twitter thing this is the problem with censoring people uh is that if you don't like what they stand for you know you're not really like they were looking for the reason to pull the plug on him it wasn't a good one so it left people like what what that like that him saying that and then when you pull up things that she has said about white people that she has said about other ethnicities and some of the she like literally said get someone like someone tweeted something matter her she's telling people to get them that's like that's targeted harassment right like that is like actual targeted harassment and the idea that she's doing it in Revenge for someone coming after

95:15her I understand but in the position that she's at like she's a huge celebrity for her to actively say go get this person like that is the clearest example you're ever going to see of targeted harassment so if that doesn't get punished in any way shape or form like you got to say well why is it because she's female is it because she's black is it a combination of those things is because she represents what you think is like liberal Progressive mindset and then he represents this alt-right that people are terrified of and hate he represents the gamergate which gave birth to the altright like gamergate allowed people to realize like hey there's actually some intelligent people people that are tired of all this that these feminists are trying to push down our throats and intelligent people that are coming together and go no Laura Croft is not the bane of civilization it's fun to watch her

96:04run around with her tits jiggling shoot guns at things it doesn't mean you hate women just doesn't you know and women were playing that game too and saying the same thing and this portrayal of these people as being these ugly misogynous Monsters the backlash of that is what gave birth to gamergate and a lot of gamergate was harassment targeted harassment of women horrible stuff right but I think as you were saying when it was when you're talking about Trump supporters there's a certain percentage of these Trump supporters that probably are racist doesn't mean they all are like what is the number is it 2% is it 4% there's a certain percent that are probably absolute misogynist what's that number I don't know what that number is but there's also some other people in there there has to be that are reasonable because if you look at the number of people that voted for Obama

96:48and you look at the number of people that voted for Trump a lot of those people are the same people well actually if you look at Romney's vote compared to Trump I think Romney um Trump did better in most ethnic groups yes he did like just across the board they didn't trust that white dude and and what was the what was the problem with Romney you just you know didn't have the policies they wanted to write I mean it was also the Mormon thing well yeah it was also the Mormon thing but the Mormon thing was pretty big I think I mean he he believes one of the wackiest strains of Christianity mean would you even call it Christianity well we don't know we don't know know which parts of it he believes literally well we know that his dad was actually born in Mexico do you know the whole story about that I don't oh I'm gon to school you Scott because this is wonderful

97:34please do Mitt Romney comes from a faction of the Mormons that were so hardcore that when the United States banned polygamy they went well this we're moving to Mexico so they moved to Mexico so Mitt Romney's Dad could never be the president of the United States cuz he was born in Mexico he was a Mexican citizen they have these giant compounds and they have to fight off the drug cartels and there's more than one gigantic compound owned by Mormons in Mexico they literally have carved out their own like camps down there and they're armed and they they did this Vice piece on them where they interviewed them and went over there and talked about it and like that is the whole reason why Mitt Romney Mitt Romney's dad's Mexican I mean literally Mexican born in Mexico Mexican citizen yeah look at that Mitt Romney's Mexican Roots his father was born in Mexico and could choose he could choose dual

98:26citizenship that is interesting yeah how did I not know that how did you not know that I'm not sure it matters anything but well I'm I'm obsessed with Mormons so that's how I found out about it I've been obsessed for a long time so did you do the Deep dive and and look at all the stuff that they believe in oh yeah yeah the the searstone like Joseph Smith in 1812 found magic tablets that were the Lost work of Jesus and only he could read him cuz he had a magic Rock and he was like 14 at the time which is hilarious all this happened when he was 14 this is when he first concocted this goofy ass story and apparently where he lived it was fairly common for people to come up with this kind of con really yeah I mean it was he wasn't like the only one doing this it was I read that somewhere his just stuck yes my source is I read that somewhere and I I misremember it now so I'll say it in

99:16public because that sounds pretty authoritative thing about Mormons though they're really nice people I I like a lot of Mormons I'm friends with quite a few Mormons I know a bunch of them and like in general they promote a lot of camaraderie a lot of community they're very friendly the people like in the Mormon church like the friends that I know that are Mormons they go to church on a regular basis and it's almost like this community Gathering of super polite people that agree to be super polite I I've said the same thing and I don't know if it's because they don't drink and you know don't have coffee or something but I don't think I've ever met a Mormon I didn't really like they're nice people they just seem great just almost like it's okay to believe wacky if it works for you I've never met one that really believed the you know the deeper stuff oh my friends wear the underwear

100:05seriously yeah they have to wear the underwear but that's not a belief so much as a custom wouldn't you say yeah well they're a little hypocritical right like uh you're not allowed to drink coffee so this dude drinks energy drinks monsters those giant ones he pounds those things and you know you're not supposed to do drugs but you can get away with it the doctor prescribes you Xanax you're allowed to take that cuz it's not in it's not in any of their books they didn't have Xanax back then it Xanax is a loophole you just can't you can't pound booze so you just pop pills and freak out all day that's a good compromise that's a good religion is flexible well they're nice people they're really nice people like I'm I'm a fan of the Mormon people like in general I think what they believe is nonsense but maybe they don't really believe it maybe you're right well like

100:51I said I've never talk to one who actually believed the the the stuff that's yeah I mean it could easily just be they enjoy the community aspect of it and the bonding of it and they believe in God and maybe they just let all that other stuff slide that's totally possible that feels like it I mean I don't know if feels like it you know if they die they get their own planet that is a perk you get a whole planet you know what I die if when I died you know what I get what dude that's not true I decompose I'm going to get you in tight with the Mormons and you're going to get a planet cuz I like you have you ever seen the Osman Brothers um album where they uh they all have it's it's like named after the the planet that you get what the was the or named after this this thing that they believe that makes you get all these planets like this place that you go where you get your own Planet but in

101:43the Osman album The Osman family album whatever the it is they all have like their own little planets and it's inside like the the album jacket like you open it up there's like planets it's hilarious it's really fun but again perfect example Donnie Osman and Marie Osman very nice people I'm going to shop around for a new religion because they'll have different afterlife and I think you have to compare them you do cuz the planet thing is sounds pretty appealing well may imagine if we go back to your original idea that uh this is some sort of a software simulation and that's why your memories are so wacky and nothing sticks and imagine if you literally are Choosing by virtue of your decision to join a certain religion what your afterlife will be like if you're in a video game and there's like a bunch of different doors you have to figure out which one's the right door to go through

102:33and you go through that door it's a totally different Adventure what if we really are a software simulation and just like you say the software allows you to pick an afterlife and you do actually I mean that's what you're actually experiencing because if we're software that would be totally practical if we're software that would be totally practical and that simulation Theory thing is a mind because if you don't know what we're talking about here's the rub the rub is one day without a doubt if we continue if we don't get hit by an asteroid if we don't get swallowed up in a super volcano or a tsunami or an earthquake or something crazy human beings will reach a point where if you look at the exponential growth of Technology we are going to be able to create an artificial reality that is indistinguishable from regular reality if that's the case how will we know if we're in it we won't so

103:27how do we know if we're not in it right now uh I'll take the math one one step further is that by the time there's one of those if it's a perfect simulation the simulation will create another simulation and so on so it's Turtles all the way down so then so this is actually what the scientists say they say that um the number of original species will be you know one and the number of copies will eventually be gigantic you could be thousands billions trillions so the odds that you're the original copy you know the original might be one in a trillion H if that's real that's the big if but it's an if that if not possible now or if not reality will one day be yeah we can't tell where we are in that cycle if we're if we're a simulation we don't know if there were hundreds of simulations before us there's no way to know well there's also the very slippery aspect of ious where we shut it off

104:24every night and then turn it back on in the morning and we assume that our memories when we wake up in the morning are all accurate we assume that we really did you know wake up November 17th 2016 in our bed put our clothes on with this database of Life Experiences leading up to that point but how the do you know it didn't just start you just woke up and they you might have been installed with this goofy life memory that you you might have started this life this morning yeah if you look into physics we know when I say we I mean people much smarter who are physicists know that things don't really exist Until You observe them I what the hell does that mean that's a tricky thing that people say that's not necessarily true you know what they mean by that that when you observe something in the act of observing it you change it no that's that's a different concept right

105:19but but knowing that something's true like there's that's the tree falls in the forest right is that what you're saying the the observation changes it so that the change thing uh maybe we are talking about the same thing right but the observation really only changes it when you measure it that's what it's the measurement like when you know they do those particle tests those are off if you're talk to a physicist about that observing is enough you don't have to it doesn't have to technically be made well have Do You observe it if you're not measuring well just looking at it like looking at what seeing it or seeing any sign of it right any anything that's an indication that it must have been is enough to solidify the past well if you never observed it before and then you are observing it how do you know that there's a difference between the two results I don't know you even know what

106:03I'm talking about right now I have no idea the way it's been explained to me by a friend of mine who's actually a physicist he said it's often there's a lot of woo woo that's tacked on to this but when you're talking about these measurements that people say like that in the act of measuring something and looking at something you change the result he's like that is is much better interpreted by the measurement itself the actual Act of seeing something or recording something or interfacing with it in some way to get a a reading changes the result he's like that's much more likely what's going on there's no real evidence that looking at something changes it because if you weren't looking at it before how do you know if it was different whoa well that was good it's crazy man um that's not the way I understood it but I'm also not a physicist nor do I have a friend who's a physicist who can

106:53explain it to me I get confused at these things because they're often repeated and they're repeated by people who haven't looked into it and it gets me worried it's one of those things like the wage Gap thing do you know the wage Gap argument versus reality I do I've looked into it deeply it's a crazy one cuz PE really smart people will tell you women make 79 cents for every dollar a man makes and that gives you the impression that they're working side by side in the same Factory and the woman's making 79 and the man's making a dollar that's not what it means what it means is overall men make a dollar to 79 C that women make because of career choices because of jobs the different jobs that they choose if you're going to make the argument that it's more difficult for women to get those jobs that's a different argument and you might be right but that's not when you're saying

107:38the the wage discrimination Gap like when Obama says we have to change wage discrimination like whoa what are you talking about like do you think that an engineer should get the same as you know a person who works you know whatever fill in the blank some you know typical female job but like when it comes to science and engineering and a lot of those stem sort of subjects men sort of gravitate towards them men gravitate towards riskier jobs men are more likely to die on the job men choose different paths because of testosterone and their gender and to deny that seems kind of silly but so when they start talking about this gender gap which everybody throws around all willy-nilly with no research whatsoever they really believe that you're talking about two lawyers working in the same firm side by side the man makes a dollar the woman makes 79 cents it's not how many times

108:25statistics how many times have You' been in a conversation with somebody who believed in in the 79 cent figure and then you explained it to them and they said oh no I don't think that's the case then you showed them a link you proved it Beyond it any doubt and it still didn't change their mind well they won't accept the fact they could have been wrong about something because they've attached their identity to being correct right it's a huge problem with anything gender related the gender thing is that the idea is that women have been suppressed and they for sure I mean women didn't get the right to vote until the 20th century right that's kind of crazy you know I mean we we went through a long time this country where women couldn't even vote so absolutely they've been suppressed and absolutely there's a lot of things that brought them out of that first of all birth control like the

109:08ability to choose whether or not they're going to be pregnant the the you know then the the laws changing discrimination laws changing people's perceptions of what women are changing all those things are absolutely real but that's you can't lie about numbers like as soon as you people then they have reason to disbelieve you about everything so if you start bullshitting about the wage Gap and this is not saying that it's not more difficult to be a woman I think it is I think it's more difficult because I think men are pieces of I think there's a lot of violent dangerous creepy men that probably want to rape you and I I would hate to be a woman in that sort of a scenario so I'm not denying that it's probably more difficult in our society because of a lot of shitty men it's more difficult to be a woman but you can't lie about numbers as soon as you start

109:52soon as start pretending that women get paid less for the same job across the board you ruin the whole argument because now we're not dealing in reality now we're doing the same thing where we're not looking at Caitlyn Jenner as like a human we're looking at as a gender identity hero you know like well what about as a human like we we we're supposed to celebrate someone or or not as a human being as a a total package we're not doing that and this is we're we're treating the whole subject with blinders because it pertains gender we can't look at the reality of it I would generalize that to say that nobody's ever want an argument with data it just it almost just never happens because because the problem is that people just say well your data is wrong so and that's the end of the conversation but does that isn't that less and less the case now than ever before it should be

110:42but I'm I'm actively in conversations with people in which I can show them all the data that I want it makes no difference humans or Twitter people even yeah regular people in the world in real life yeah but you know there's a broad spectrum of people in the world right these when you're talking about people that you respect your peers colleagues fellow cartoonists I mean you're talking about them or you talking about regular you know educated people I've never seen anybody change their mind on that topic that specific topic that's a weird one yeah that's a weird one yeah I've seen people have some pretty heated discussions about it too and completely uninformed if people don't have an emotional lock on the topic then you can move them with data because they don't care it's like oh this better data okay but people are so dug in on that particular topic it's very

111:31Insidious it's very Insidious because I think it like we were talking about with the Hillary Clinton thing about lying about Russia as soon as you lie about that as soon as you lie about something well I'm going what the you know when when you see you I'm sure you've seen it the director Comey video where Compares what Comey said versus what Hillary is saying he said and it's like holy like you're just lying like you just keep lying like this is a crazy moment where you seeing this because it didn't didn't exist until recently where you had this YouTube phenomenon where you can watch and get millions of hits on these videos where it shows the reality versus what you're saying and when you when you soon as you throw a non-reality into it I know that you're dealing with it from a team perspective like you're just trying to manipulate whatever the facts are or

112:18whatever the argument is to get your team in you don't really care what's true women get paid less period you piece of 79 cents to a dollar read the facts and you know you can't even argue with it you can't even bring it up but that's everything all the time if there's any emotional connection we we just think that you know logic and data and you know arguments matter but yeah they're just so rare and if you disagree also you're like so happy to be a man you must be so happy to be a man you think men are the only ones who could run this world you think men don't discriminate against women every step of the way it must be really nice to have that white privilege Scott Adams the the sarcasm as a replacement for reason yes is probably the most annoying thing in the world and i' I've been you know the sarcasm has been riging on me for a year for writing about Trump but yeah it's exactly what

113:08you say like so and then Trump will get elected and then he'll just make everything good and then it will be just unicorns right yeah that's a weird argument that people love to put words in your mouth and then force you to defend them I I talk about the word so as a tell for that whatever is going to come next is a hallucination so so if you say to say to me you know it doesn't matter if you said uh you know uh I went to the store yesterday I would say so you abandoned your children and you know that whatever comes will just won't make any sense oh my God that's hilarious that's really funny yeah you can definitely do that I mean that's the art of persuasion right that's hypnosis that's what you're into do you have a pocket watch you have one of those no that's not part of the process weirdly enough but it is in cartoons and movies yes was it ever I

114:03think there was one movie so that's you know well known in the history that this one movie I don't know what it was uh showed somebody doing using a watch to hypnotize and then it just became a thing but it was never a thing within the hypnotist world was there ever a moment during this whole campaign where you know it was getting really crazy and people were angry about so many different things like how about when all those women came out in Mass right there was this in MOS how do you say that in Moss there was that one time where all these women were coming out saying Donald Trump tried to grab my tits and Donald Trump and some of them were like pretty innocuous but it was all together like a coordinated effort was there moment ever a moment where you're like what the did I do like why did I come out and supported this guy like what did I the hate that I'm getting right now that

114:49that was the moment that I switched my endorsement to Gary Johnson oh I remember that and my reasoning was because Gary Johnson only touches himself and that's something I can respect in a leader no trouble there but that was tongue and cheek it was tongue and cheek but I Al I was also getting out of the blast zone right because remember I was never supporting him based on policies or I was just talking about his persuasion but was there ever a time where you thought I should probably make a moral distinction because I'm getting caught uh up in this wave of uh Angry all white people and their misogyny and racism and all the I mean the worst aspects right the the the 2% that we already discussed and you get caught up in this association game that people are doing when they have this US versus them little battle going on did you ever think like what the man

115:38what did I do not in those words but um I'm fortunately in in a situation where I have what I call you money and I can I can kind of take some risks that you wouldn't take earlier in your career mm and one of them is the risk to say whatever I think is useful and necessary and I want to say and so um that is a huge risk to be associated with anybody unpleasant but uh at the same time I self-identify with being Ultra liberal like liberal people seem a little too conservative for me I'm sort of left of them that is interesting about you and I I definitely wanted to get to that because you're not a rightwing guy you know you you're very reasonable and that's what I what I thought was so fascinating about this I'm like and it actually makes sense now you say you have you money so why shouldn't you just speak about whatever attributes positive or negative you might see and

116:32when look at it almost like you're looking at a puzzle you know all well look at this piece here this piece is going to go right there and see there's an opening here it's weird there was a a space for this of somebody who didn't have a team yeah um and it's part of the reason I don't vote I don't join a party you didn't vote at all no it uh it isn't it ironic it would bias me oh I see soon as you vote you join a team but you like a a klling on in this world you just Ro roaming through the streets and people make the the rules and you just abide by them how's that work ah nonparticipant in our democracy Scott Adams well you secretly Canadian I yeah I'm a Californian so I didn't think it matter that much who I voted for um but I also think that staying unbiased is important so I I'm just not a joiner but what about other things like you could always

117:25write in a presidential candidate if you want to do that but like voting on things like legalizing marijuana things that are really important I mean that's notice I go right to that forget the death penalty but there's a lot of important issues you could vote on right yeah but my take on that is that the people who think they understand those issues almost never do and and the few that I could understand well enough like you know legalizing weed um it was going the way I wanted it anyway so according to the polls that thought that Hillary Clinton was going to win see well these po there's the problem yeah the weed poles were were much more accurate there was a bigger Gap there too the weed poles were more accurate well they are for sure it won it won by a landslide but I thought it was important I felt like if I was going to vote I mean the voting for Freedom

118:14wherever it is wherever it's possible especially freedom is not you're not hurting anybody and you're removing the possibility of being locked up for something that's not hurting anybody across the board whether it's pot or whether it's wearing dresses I'm for that I would be just as enthusiastic about a transgender law if someone made it a law where a man couldn't become a woman you know and we we were fighting against that I would be as enthusiastic as I am about almost almost as enthusiastic the pot thing to me is it represent it's a freedom issue as much as it is anything else I put this in a different frame so um you know in the birth of the nation there was this debate about State's rights and you know what's the federal government do and the idea was that the more local the government the better they understood the people and stuff like that but fast

118:59forward today with the internet and and more and the states are like little Laboratories so we can watch hey how'd it go in Colorado so we we don't have to argue on principle or morality anymore we're actually beyond that because we can measure we can ab test with the uh with the states so with everything from abortion law to uh to weed um you can say hey let the states do it and let's just make sure we measure it make sure we have a you know real uh thing that matters that that we can say if it reaches this level it worked if if there's crime it didn't um and I think that's the direction we're going which is insanely help uh useful because it takes all of the emotion out of it it's like we don't have to wonder if it's our right to smoke weed or anything just see how it worked out I uh I don't disagree with what you're saying but I also think that it's that too I think the morality

119:54and the ethics play a part of it as well I think it's for the first state okay but after that you can just see what happened man I don't know because that means that in the 49 other states you leave open the possibility that people going to lock be locked up in jail for nonviolent crimes that don't hurt anyone and that seems to be a giant ethic temporarily even if it's temporarily could ruin their life if you have a felony I mean I mean the that the law the law exists temporarily but it's still there it's still there that's not optimal right it's not optimal and the consequences are too grave you're taking away people's freedom so to me it becomes primarily a freedom issue the same would be if men wanted to wear dresses or if women wanted to wear combat boots and all a sudden we said we can't have that anymore well you're giving two examples that I consider easy

120:41you know the the weed and the you know the the gender thing those are easy those should be available to everybody I agree with Okay so let's go with one that's hard which would be automated cars oh that's I love that one yeah how about this one good example like when we get to a certain point in time will we lose our freedom to be autonomous will we lose our freedom to be able to drive a car and be able to steer and trust you to hit the brakes when you're supposed to oh all of your autonomy is going away it's going away yeah so so think about this I blogged about this today suppose you had a fitness band and it was like the future not not a long time five or 10 years and it can do everything from tell you when you should take a sip of water because you're dehydrated it knows what kind of food you should eat and when knows when you should sleep and it tells you

121:24how in the in the beginning you're going to say oh good suggestion I'll either do that or not but eventually you're going to see that their suggestion is better than whatever the hell you would have done on your own and you're just going to start following the app and eventually that app is going to be completely controlling your life while you have the Sensation that you're deciding maybe you dude not me I'm Rebel I'm out there I got to make my own choices I'm going to rip off that Fitbit yeah man that Fitbit I'm running free I'm going to run and when I feel tired I'll stop or keep pushing cuz that's what I do push harder hash push harder um I know what you're saying I agree I think also um people like when uh Things become when you have less stuff to talk about or think about you know and as soon as you get in your car and your car drives itself well now I

122:12don't have to think about that anymore you know uh I was going to invest in uh alcohol companies you know companies that produced and manufactured alcohol do could be drunk in your car now because self-driving cars are coming right right and the day they do 80% of the reason not to drink just goes away which is how do you get home that's a good point yeah do you think they'll have no steering wheel at all like what if everything goes wrong I think it'll have a steering wheel cuz you know you have to get like off the road and right but then if you get drunk you're like it I could drive you you want to drive even though it's autonomous right you'll be too drunk to Pro program the address in you're like I know how to drive and you just start driving good point we don't have that problem with Uber you know no matter how drunk I am I never try to come out from the back and yeah but it's

123:05not right in front of you yeah also with Uber you're too busy trying to figure out whether the guy driving you is a serial killer you need a little breathalizer on there to get control of the uh steering wheel you need to be able to take a swab and run it through a machine find out what kind of DNA this creep has have you ever gone through security lately and they do the little swab your case and they put it in the machine and I'm thinking what does it know about me how much can it figure out for me because from you know your odor and your I don't DNA or whatever the hell they're looking at they could probably know a lot about me yeah they definitely could if they well that's the big argument about those fingerprint scanners on cell phones that they're slowly but surely accumulating a database of Fingerprints of all the people in this country yeah that's

123:54scary slowly but surely the boundaries between people and data are eroding so let me ask you this so in the news today um I don't know who said it it wasn't Trump himself I think but the discussion of a Muslim database did you hear that the idea of collecting names I think of only uh the people who are non-citizens coming into the country MH which raises you know every kind of Nazi concentration camp alarm and should um but do you think we don't already have that list good question don't you think there's somewhere in our big data which they can't tell the citizens and in fact they can't even tell the politicians because they're probably only a few people who know probably a few people in the government who know what we know about citizens yeah but the idea that there's anybody coming into the country and we don't have a really good idea of where they are at any time I mean if

124:49they have back doors into everything from you know the credit card processing companies to you know all the other big the cell phone companies they have a working profile on everybody if they want to in other words they have to push the button to run the program but if they wanted to know if they wanted to know your religion they wouldn't need to have you fill it down in a form because they could check your credit card and say hey he buys gas next to the you know the synagogue or the mosque or whatever and his friends are these e because they do the same things at the same time Big Data already knows you're religion if someone wants to track down all that stuff it's the thing is who is the someone how many like I have a friend that's always worried the government's like looking into his email and following him and I this is what I always say like who's how many people

125:36are they doing this to there's there's hundreds of millions of people how many people work in the government how are they doing that like here's a here's a good story this is how if people think oh they're following me man listen to this story the guy who broke into the White House do you know about that story the guy who uh ran through the white I had a bit about it in my uh last Netflix special because this is where progressiveness got us this a ridiculous idea that everybody's equal they left a woman guarding the door of the White House by herself this is a true story the guy um hopped the fence he was crazy PTSD out out of his mind veteran ran across the lawn the guy who was in charge of monitoring the the the the the grassy area where this guy ran across took his earpiece out and was on the phone with his girlfriend so this guy was like having a conversation with his

126:25girlfriend while this guy's running across the lawn the guy gets to the front door the alarm system is down because it kept up so they just shut it off so they left a girl by herself at the door with no alarm or a guy just ran across the lawn then you find out about the guy well the guy turns out was arrested just a couple of months before this with 800 rounds of ammunition four like four rifles two handguns a machete an axe arm to the tits with a map of Washington DC with an X where the White House is they weren't watching that guy like they weren't even watching him like we are dealing with way more incompetence than we would like to believe or that we would care to admit so that was a case of a criminal investigation that the law enforcement people didn't coordinate right well it was both that and complete arrogance and not having an alarm system on not having

127:27more than one person guarding the lawn not having more than one person at the door having a woman at the door like by herself with this giant Soldier comes running through and knocks her to the ground and runs around the White House see this is a perfect example so since that never had happened before like you know probably wellbe in 100 years 1812 was the last time it happened before that oh wow or 1912 excuse me so you're never ready for the thing that hasn't happened I always think about if if nuclear war broke out like let's say Russia and the United States decide all right it's on and we're going to launch I don't think they'd work then the bombs the bombs because we've never done it before like we've only tested we've tested the bomb and we've tested the the missile but we haven't tested the missile on the bomb and the chain of command and who puts the codes and sure

128:15we've tested all the parts imagine it was all fasi scheme and like there's nothing even in those things they're just taking that tax dollars and using it for Satanic rituals and flying on private jets everywhere did you read all that stuff the podesta stuff that came out in the Wikileaks emails about the the all the weird rituals they were going to the spirit cooking involved sperm and blood and what in the are they doing like I don't like to believe when when Alex Jones goes on to his crazy they're all Satanist every one of them they're all worshiping Satan you know you go well Alex Jones is crazy he's going crazy Obama is a devil literally a devil in hell and you go Alex Jones out of his mind and then you see this podesta thing where you know some they're doing Satan rituals like this or at least went to it went to watch something called Spirit cooking well but

129:11you heard the their explanation I did not so the explanation was the woman who I guess was the hostess says oh yeah it does mean those other things but we've sort of you know cutely just generalized it to whatever we're doing so the spirit K King didn't mean any of that I don't buy that I don't buy that first a second well I'm not sure I buy that they were all getting together to eat blood and sperm well why are they even talking about it my friends and I we never get together and talk about blood and sperm never comes out no they didn't talk about it well somebody did well the email just said do you want to go to the spirit cooking thing right but then when you find out what the spirit cooking is it involves blood and sperm right well it's one of the things it means so does every good party by the way it's not a party until somebody bleeds somebody bleeds and somebody

129:57comes I didn't look into the explanation cuz to me it's one of those things that I don't want to know any further P because it's too fun to think these wacky are out there in a a bucket of blood and drinking it and throwing it on themselves that's more fun to me than KN a rational explanation I think the best moment of the whole year was related to that it was Mike cernovich was you know tweeting about it the the most and I realized that you know I think it was the Washington Post ran a like a piece by piece sort of explaining why it wasn't what it was and I thought where have we come to the point where Mike cerovich makes uh The Washington Post uh defend how much sperm podesta ate it's like no no it was way less sperm than you think it hilarious a couple of drops that's all you need that's all you need a couple of drops it's a it's a symbolic thing did um this

130:52is totally unrelated but did you see the real Sports uh from this week with uh the be yoga guy did you see Brian uh what's his name Brian Gumble thank you uh he uh did this uh Real Sports you know one of his episodes he had this woman go and investigate uh beam chudo I think his name is he's the guy that's the lead of beam yoga right and uh apparently like he's allegedly banged a bunch of chicks that worked there and you know sexually harassed him allegedly allegedly allegedly keep saying that um but he was they were saying he was like why would I do that when women will pay $1 for one drop of my sperm he saying he was saying they P yeah he was saying there's thousands of women signing up to him and that four of them committed suicide because he wouldn't them and that people are willing to pay a million dollars for a drop of his sperm well they're out there folks that's a good

131:53argument there's some crazy people out there you I would have defended myself differently I would say well the women who come here for yoga they're very flexible that's some money laundering right there someone's paying a million dollars for his sperm for one drop of his sperm that's a guy who's selling drugs trying to get rid of cash he's trying to move some money around that's what he's doing well I mean it's it's the ultimate telecommuting job it's like I can't come to the office I'll be at home today my quote is a gallon today well one drop I mean you got a lot of drops if you're if you're healthy and if you eat eggs and drink milk do you my point being that there's a lot of crazy people in this world and this guy podesta guy being involved in this wacky Spirit cooking thing like I'm not shocked I'm not shocked this yoga guy this guy that you think of as being

132:42like peace and satnam and Namaste and we're all going to flow together and realize we're all one he's like I they pay $1 million for one drop of my spam he's talk he's crazy and he's the the head of this yoga organization which we all think we immediately associate yoga with peace and love and happiness and he's talking about all these women that accuse them of like being human trash and pieces of and it's like whoa like think about how Trump responded to like the allegations again against him versus how this yoga guy responded way worse he should have gone with a nickname yeah lying yoga hoes I don't know what would he call them but my point is that there's some crazy people out there involved in all sorts of weird stuff you would never imagine well it also gets to the fact I just tied that together pretending I had a point but it kind of goes to the point

133:43where we'll never have nice person who is president again oh I don't think that's true no it's because the only reason you thought anybody was nice as you didn't know enough about them but that's not true there there's nice people right you're a nice guy why don't you run for president right I'm a nice guy but if you were to dissect my entire past I would look like you know Satan incarnate by the time they got done with me maybe now but I think within the next four years by the time Trump is uh on his second term if he decides to run again and if he wins right which would be crazy right two-term Trump woo that's a shirt I see it I see a bumper sticker now two-term Trump two Trump two term Trump look if you guys start chanting that I want credit okay I came up with it but I I really could see that by that time it would be way more difficult to just first of all we we're going to

134:32have to acknowledge that you can't just edit little pieces of someone's life and make some sort of uh an absolute definitive statement on who they are based on out of context statements and things and and also this idea that like something you did in 2001 somehow def defines you in 2016 you're the same person right isn't the point of life to improve 100% let you say uh Trump did ex terrible thing 30 years ago right and I think and and now what's he doing he's you know trying to do things good for the country isn't that like the ark we're all supposed to be on where you you used to be kind of a you know not a good person but you're getting better well we would hope that you used to be a really good person and now you're a God that's what I'm looking for you know anybody like that um I would I want someone who was perfect in the 90s and is now transcended humanity and is ready to

135:23lead because that's what we need we can't have people leading anymore we need like some a real Guru you want to go the full cult turn this nation into a cult well we'll see we'll see what Donald does I don't even want the full I just I think we have an completely unrealistic expectation as far as someone who we' put in like JFK right perfect example that everyone always uses if he was running today he'd be picked apart Clinton another perfect example if you look at him on paper as far as y take out the Monica Linsky Scandal and just look at like what he's done what the economy was like during his time and make your arguments plus or minus that he you know how much of it was because of him how much of it was he was in a lucky spot as far as being a president right there's those arguments but you look at him like that and you go well how there's this guy who was a

136:09great guy but then either Jennifer Flowers and the Paula Jones and the this and the that and all these different then you have a totally different idea of who this guy really is the truth is probably somewhere in the middle right right yeah and and the technology for forming um forming opinions that are incorrect about your opponent is just better than it's ever been because now they they can test that stuff in real time you know they can put down several ads see who clicks on what and test the persuasion so so the best Persuader of 25 years ago was an amateur compared to the best Persuader in 2016 I wonder about that because I think that JFK was a magnific Persuader have you ever seen JFK speech about secret societies uh no but I I would agree he was great for television because he was great on television well he had an incredible speech about secret societies

137:03and the importance of not having secret societies in government and uh it it was really like to this day it's one of those ones that conspiracy theorists love to bring out and go this is why they killed him bro this is why they killed because I mean it may very well be that but you know he was talking about the importance of transparency amongst the government and amongst the people and how dangerous it is to to hide secrets and have secret societies and it's incredibly it's it's incredibly brilliant and it's it's amazing because you couldn't imagine a president saying that today it's like do you remember um I believe it was at Eisenhower that had the speech about the military industrial complex before he left office yeah it was Eisenhower right it's an amazing spe speech but it was a speech that he gave one night that no one ever saw again until the internet came around like it

137:57wasn't something you were played in school it wasn't something you were even aware about probably until YouTube came along and then you watch that thing on YouTube where Eisenhower are saying we must be fearful of the military industrial complex you know he was basically saying there's a whole machine that wants to go to war and they're looking for excuses to go to war and he named it you know he called it this thing that that is you would never see that today you would never see that what Kennedy did and what Eisenhower did it's almost like they've buttoned down those holes they found out where those issues were in the difference in the what the you know what the people that are actually running the government want to to direct and to project versus these mouthpieces these guys like isenhower or Kennedy so now now it's sort of the military industrial mainstream media

138:51conglomerate because they all seem to be on the same side right now sort of but aren't they in different sides like Fox is different than CNN right well Fox is sort of by itself yeah I was watching Fox and CNN back and forth before the like before the election I was just I would watch Fox for like an hour and then I'd switch over to CNN for an hour and I was I was getting schizophrenic so so have you seen how um reality has bifurcated so if you switch between Fox and CNN on Fox the Trump transition team is doing a terrific job picking you know real adults blah blah blah you go over to CNN it's in chaos it's you know there's it's there's just this big cluster going over there everything's falling apart the country is going to fall apart they have access to the same information yeah uh as far as I know um and those are two completely different views of reality

139:44yeah there's two completely different views of reality also um if I've gone to some liberal sites um websites that are urging people to contact the Electoral College and block Trump's rise to power like what is that even possible and how isn't that anti-democratic like to to have a few people contact the Electoral College which is like you're talking about like the representatives like the every state picks a representative that representative is supposed to represent the state they almost always do but they have this sort of weird hidden power where they could kind of change the like if California voted for Clinton but they said that Trump oh like if someone actually did decide to do that some crazy delicate yeah so apparently that power is intentionally uh built in just to prevent a monster from being you know elected it didn't work didn't work uh but that's what people are saying like

140:35let's let's but that would be there would be a Revolt in this country if they ever did that good Lord if they think it's bad now the divisiveness and the the the the the angst and this weird Line in the Sand across I mean it's almost Civil War style between between the right and the left right now well some of that might be exaggerated by the media as well could be um or accentuated yeah they're blowing on that fire yeah would the protesters be out there if it wasn't on television do you what what is your opinion on the protest do you think I mean I've seen ads where they said they would pay people 35 bucks an hour to protest is that true or is that um I don't know I would I would say low credibility I had heard that you can't Snopes things anymore because Snopes leans towards Hillary yeah I hear that too but where do you hear it though from Snopes I don't know

141:29I don't alt-right forums and right so I would say uh that one is grain of salt but but there certainly are things that are subject to interpretation so for sure so you got to figure there's some bias everywhere yeah I wonder if people are really getting paid to to to protest seems like a good Gig if you're broke it's just assumed to be true on the right um they think that this is proven in lots of different ways well when I was in New York I do maybe there was thousands and thousands of Oscar winning actors wandering through the streets but honestly to me it didn't seem like anybody was acting it didn't seem like anybody was a paid performer well they wouldn't um most of them could be Naturals but You' need a core that gets everybody excited you know there's got to be a core that shows up and then other people can or is it that the people that are willing to take that 35

142:22bucks an hour they hated Trump anyway and this gives them an excuse to make some cash while they're hating Trump what is this here no someone wasn't paid $3,500 to protest Donald Trump it's fake news uh created by Paul Herer who post fake news in a variety of websites oh how dare you he took credit for the fake news well that makes sense he go his followers don't fact check anything they'll post everything believe anything Herer said referring to then Trump campaign manager Cory lindow her said his campaign manager posted my story about a protest getting paid $3,500 is a fact like I made that up I posted in a fake ad on Craigslist here's a screenshot of the since deleted tweet that's funny so I'm glad I said low credibility before you showed that though yeah that makes that would have been really embarrassing the amount of money you'd have to have to pay

143:11thousands of people 35 bucks an hour well that supports the George Soros is behind everything which um I'm pretty skep go about yeah um what about that Peter theel billionaire character that funded the lawsuit against Gawker isn't he in some way shape or form a part of the team he's part of the Trump Universe I don't know if he's technically on the transition team yeah it's all very interesting it's very well there there goes the anti-gay thing where have you seen any evidence that he's anti-gay that Trump's anti-gay I I'm not sure what they're even looking at except that he picked um Pence as his running mate and Pence as hisory yes he does he has some stuff that I tweeted the other day Rachel matow was highlighting that he was saying that instead of giving money to AIDS research you should give money to educate gay people about the risks of their behavior like yeah so here here's

144:06what I think's going to happen if you want if you want to put this in the positive perspective the vice president will adopt the president's um policies at least in public by the time Mike Pence you know might run for president or something my guess is that it will be hardcoded in other words this gives him an opportunity to evolve to where the country would find him more acceptable anyway should he want to do that and it's sort of a what I call the fake because it gives him an excuse to do it without being a hypocrite because people say yeah you had to do that because he's your president oh now that's just your policy so my guess is that Trump is moving a lot of people to the middle because that's where he is H but that Pence gu he's not very persuasive I don't I just really have a hard time seeing him as being a guy that's going to run for president someday I think he

144:57might really yeah I I think as a pick you know I'll I'll say that I'm no fan of his history with you know gay right stuff I'm not on on that team um but as a personality on TV like he's really good at interviews he really sticks on point and he only had one thing he needed to do which was win a debate against the other vice president Tim which he did he's trying to hide his emails though well he's yeah I'm sure they would all like to hide their emails have you seen that though that was the latest thing right he had his own no yeah like they want access to his emails he's like that so you know we're waiting for that shoe to drop who knows I mean it's going to come a time when I think we're probably all going to have access to all of our emails I mean I think you you're going to have to come to the conclusion that when you're and you should now really you should think when you're

145:50sending an email you should assume that this is not really private uh I kind of do already yeah first of all because someone on the other side who gets the Scott Adams dickpick go we'll check this out and but there's so many out there now well hey Manor so like own it it's you you know what I mean no no no look what Charlie Sheen did made a career of owning it so I've uh I've speculated that the perfect world would be no privacy if everybody knew everything about everybody the the worst world is where most people have privacy but a few people lose it cuz then they're just victims everybody could pick the tyranny of it but if everybody knew everybody's suddenly you'd be like really you're terrible I'm terrible too I think it would I think we would get used to each other so quickly I think it would also force people to evolve I mean we all know our best friend stuff you know

146:42and you know we know the the failures and that we all have together collectively and we still love each other but it's just like letting those other people in on it letting those strangers in on the time that you did that bad thing see but the the reason you care is that they'll think poorly of you and that that will affect your life but if you have mutually assured destruction which is that everybody's bad because you know everything about everybody you know everybody's got something they're not proud of everybody just thinks well I don't think I'll throw a stone because it's going to come right back at my house well I think it's step one in this complete and total assimilation I think losing privacy I agree with you 100% I think it's inevitable whether it's 30 years from now or 50 years from now I think essentially everything you do from then on is going to I think there's going to

147:26come some form of technology that is a leap very much like the internet is this crazy leap right the internet provides us with this instantaneous access to all the answers to all the questions you've ever had which is just unprecedented in history there's never been a time where you say well what did happen on the Native American Trail of Tears like why is it called that and you can just open your phone and sit down for a few hours and then when I came back to you well what do you got for me Scott you could tell me like exactly what the went down this is like unprecedented stuff I think in that leap which I think we're in the middle of so it seems like it's not as big of a deal as it really is like what there's going to be another leap that's even more spectacular than that and that leap is going to integrate all of our minds together it's going to integrate our

148:10memories it's going to integrate our ability to communicate and we will literally are going to become a technologically technologically created hive mind I might have written a book that has something to say about that um God's debris um what your what was the the idea behind your book um if I told you it would ruin your book reading experience but just oh spoiler alert can you say that uh but I will say that um I've had this this thought using Periscope because when I'm using Periscope un like the conscious mind of this gigantic brain which is all the people watching me so I can say things like um hey I think this this law might go into effect no I don't know the answer to that somebody tell me what the law is and within 3 seconds appearing on my screen in the Periscope session will be somebody who knows the answer to that and there's almost nothing I can't throw

149:03out there that there isn't someone yeah and and of the thousands of people who are live at that moment and it's the live part that's interesting because you can you know the internet is kind of like one person's alive and the other's you know looking it's just data on the other side but when it's live people who are contributing to thought and you're watching a form in real time on Periscope it is like a new intelligence has been created by this technology that's temporal you know as soon as I turn it off it it turns off but it is a large freaking mind that multiplies whatever I have going on by the power of all the people watching it's really it's really thrilling but when it's spinning how can you have so many people that are talking to you so often you get thousands of people on there how can you pay attention to all those comments well I can't watch them all so if but when

149:49someone has a good answer answer well I usually if I I try to ask a question and then I look but otherwise if I'm talking I'm I'm focusing on what I'm say but when you're looking at their answer do can you click on that answer can you freeze your screen or something like that to like cuz it's like I see how it works like it's hard um usually what happens is something go past so quickly I'll say I missed it I missed it say that again and then I look for it it comes back uh the reason why I asked because we did something similar yesterday we have this tricaster that runs the video stream on YouTube that multicolored keyboard lit up Christmas light looking thing that thing has crashed two days in a row on us in the middle of broadcast where it never crashed before now Jamie updated all the software and we're hoping it doesn't do it again and this show has been fine but I said well if

150:38anybody knows a better solution please let us know and so the comments were just filled on Instagram with all these like really good Solutions and a few of them few of the machines look pretty badass so I mean who knows what's we have to research find out what's the best but that when have you ever been able to do that before and you know some there's a bunch of dumb answers but somewhere in there is probably the right answer you know and some person who's an expert like if somebody had a question and it was on an in uh Instagram Forum or an Instagram uh picture and it had something to do with being a cartoonist well who better ask than the guy who created delber you would be able to answer and give your your expert opinion on what how this works or that works I I think also our government is going to run that way um at least if Trump is a transparent sort of public president

151:27like I think he will be I think there's going to be a lot of policies that get created in this sort of collective brain that is Trump leading the discussion and the entire public weighing in through social media and you know mainstream media in every other way I I think he can do that and probably will and it's going to be like this thrilling experience of watching good thoughts turn into better thoughts boy that is the rose-colored glasses view of the Trump presidency if I've ever heard one that would be the best case scenario and also that he once now that he's in office once he's no longer in contention now he's the president so now he's fighting with anybody the same way anymore but what people are worried about is people that write things about him like if people write poor uh reviews of his presidency that they're going to be attacked they're worried about

152:17getting sued they're worried about being targeted they worri about the fact that he's in control of an NSA and he can you know he could hire some Edward Snowden type character to up your life if you write an article about him for the Wall Street Journal or something you know well um I talk about this as well if you look at any individual thing he does like hey it's 3:00 a.m. and I'm tweeting about you know right Miss Universe or something I always imagine him with his socks on in the lazy chair right yeah like a boxer shorts with a boner angry no shirt redac screaming and Melania is doing something with the kid and better get baref with yellow toenails I imagine he doesn't take care of his feet uh but what he does is he uh he praises and rewards people who are good right good him especially and he attacks without without exception he just never makes an exception he will attack you if

153:13you go after him he doesn't start the fight right but he he likes to finish him you know what I have to I think Bill Burr is the one who said that he would have those black socks on I might have I might have co-opted that I I'm thinking he might have said it while we're drunk doing the end of the world podcast if you haven't heard that we did a podcast while the presidency was being called and Bill bur was on fire he was on fire it was one of the funniest podcast ever but it was all like watching it all go down and at one time he got into an argument with his other comedian Sarah Tiana because sarahana was talking about how uh anybody who supports Trump is a racist and a sexist and then and then you know Bill made fun of it and it was just it was perfect it was the perfect thing to see while it was all going down it was like like you were seeing in Bill and her you're seeing it in like a

153:59physical form the way people are choosing to frame this thing fascinating oh watch that yeah anyway I was just saying Trump likes to leave the biggest gap between pleasing him and not pleasing him and it has nothing to do with the thing he's fighting about at the moment it's about setting it up so that the next person who thinking should I with him right that didn't work for the last 700 people right but if it had worked for some people to with him in the past you would be tempted you're like well sometimes people get away with this well this is a different thing though once you're the president versus once you're just some billionaire you know real estate Tycoon because there was there was one um guy that was writing about it where he had been sued by Trump and when uh cuz he wrote an article and when they started examining the actual data it got like pretty ugly

154:51pretty quick and then they abandoned the lawsuit and this guy Trump wound up getting him a seat for the fights like he got him a ticket and I think he flew him out to Atlantic City and and maybe someone with him as well for the fights and that became like an issue like yeah well how' that connect with the I'm missing the string there well just you know that he's just master manipulator that he like in the middle of this uh he has this lawsuit thing with this guy you know the guy calls him a a or whatever he called him and writes this article about him Trump gets him tickets to some fight sues him loses in court you know or loses the you know when they they're going through all the data they abandon the lawsuit Trump gets him tickets to the fight like the whole thing is just crazy it's probably all part of rewarding people and punishing people so that you you feel there's a

155:43it's Game of Thrones type Game of Thrones doesn't look like I I was just thinking that in the weirdly as I was was doing something the other day I was thinking that you could map all these family dynasties onto the The Game of Thrones yeah you could in some way I mean it is bizarre in to the extreme that we've dealt with these family dynasties like the Bush family and we almost did it again with Jeb you know I mean who knows if it wasn't for Trump if Trump wasn't around and he didn't come up with that low energy Jeb thing is that what he called them yeah low energy if he didn't and also Jeb just sucked I mean when the when the pressure was on he just wasn't good just wasn't good he was and when all that stuff was going down or like Rick Perry like remember when Rick Perry's in debates he just didn't know what the he was talking about he's like I don't what was I even

156:31saying and I like that's it you're done but if it wasn't for that happening with Jeff Bush he might have very well gotten to the same position that Donald got into I mean when you looked at all the other people he at least had that familiar name people might have been inclined he didn't have any real crazy like horrible stories in the past that got brought up immediately he could very well and they would have continue that family Dynasty the Clinton family Dynasty is another disturbing one you know that's a weird Dynasty you know is uh Chelsea next is is Michelle Obama next oh yeah I think she's definitely next that's the question man that's the big question she would be excellent she would she's a like a really good speaker she's very intelligent she's very articulate she's very measured and composed and stately and as uh McGregor said and the fight she has lots of

157:28attributes she has a lot of attributes yeah yeah I mean and she carried herself extremely well for eight years in the White House under some incredible pressure I mean I don't know what she what her you know her responsibilities were or what her days looked like but she's never made a misstep there's never never been an embarrassing interview important nothing nothing right much less controversy than Hillary Clinton much less you know because even before the uh like she tried to run for president there was always the Whitewater thing that she was connected to right the Vince Foster thing that she was connected to have you seen that Meme you know they're doing all these Joe Biden memes have you seen the recent Joe Biden meme the one with see if you can see if you can find it I think I retweeted it I retweeted it yesterday somebody tweeted it to me um it was um

158:19Joe Biden and Obama laughing about uh about Hillary having something in common with Monica Lewinsky now yeah pull it up so you can so you can see it I don't want to blow it check this out look at this look Joe then I it says Joe then I said Hillary now you and Monica have something else in common you blew it and then Obama and he's laughing throw his head back laughing and Obama's looking at him like with his eyebrows raised and it says you know she kills people right these are great do you think she's killed anybody that kid that got shot outside of his apartment at 4:00 in the morning where they didn't take his cell phone they didn't take his wallet they didn't take his money and he according to WikiLeaks is the one that leaked all those documents about the DNC and the DNC favoring Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders who knows what else that guy knew if that was the guy if that is the

159:20case I don't know but it doesn't seem more likely that even if they were murders because of some Hillary Clinton connection that she wouldn't know about it perhaps just somebody who thought well I'm going to you know change history do a favor Perhaps Perhaps but this is also the woman who was attributed in an email whether or not it's correct uh she said about Julian Assange can't we just drone that guy this guy's thumb his nose in America can't we just drone him all right so I don't want to drone him because I I think he's done a great service but from the I love butts from the from the context of a government looking at this situation if government secrets have been stolen and it's your job to you know make sure this doesn't happen and you know to to get Justice that's actually kind of a fair question now I wouldn't want because you're saying what

160:16are all our options well it could be off the cff flippant statement that she didn't really take Serious like can we just drone him but she said some creepy one of the things that she said about Gaddafi you ever see that interview where uh she's talking about she goes we came we saw he died ha have you seen that yeah that was uh startling and shocking and after she hit her head oh really yes that would explain it wouldn't it 100% yeah very irrational to think that way and and very impulsive to to say that out loud because you're dealing with the dissolving of a Nation Libya is in complete total turmoil and has become a breeding ground for Isis and a lot of that can be attributed to it being completely destabilized by the United States helping out all the people that wound up killing Gaddafi it doesn't mean Gaddafi wasn't a huge piece of and the world isn't better because he's dead

161:12probably is but Libya is not better right now like Libya became completely unstable after that so that he came we came we saw he died haa that's like laughing in the face of these poor unfortunate people who just got a roll of the dice and grew up in Libya and now they're stuck there and and you're right is that a character from how skilled a politician she is to say something that's so clearly the wrong thing to say at the wrong time well when was the fall of Libya was that 13 or 14 I don't know when did uh find out when Gaddafi died when gdaf was killed what I'll never forget it I'll tell you that that video was terrifying the video of the rebels capturing him and they're sticking things up his asses 2011 hm I believe the interview with her was in 2012 or 13 see if you can find that out if it's in 2012 or 13 it's entirely possible this is directly post

162:12uh concussion and severe um bleeding apparently on her brain like she had some serious problems she's up for like 12 months I don't think people realize that that can permanently change your personality permanently the the average person doesn't think that's a thing but i' I've seen it you know I have as well I've seen it many many many times cuz I'm in the head trauma business right in a lot of ways because of uh my experience with the UFC um but I know people that have been hit in the head outside of the UFC and have never been the same um that is one of the the things that uh I've always said about Sam Kennison Sam Kennison had a great uh book written about him by his brother it's called My Brother Sam or Brother Sam it's a great book especially for me I'm huge kenneson fan but he basically says Sam was one person and then he got hit by a truck when he was a little kid

163:02and became a completely different person became Reckless and wild and it came out of a a head injury oh yeah the lack of uh control didn't give a oh oh that's where it came from wow yeah like literally from brain trauma what is it this this video video that's got a million and a half 201 was uploaded the exact same day it says he died oh how is that possible that she already interviewed and was recorded and put this was up on I mean it may be possible it happened like that morning W but that doesn't seem right to me yeah especially if you're saying that this same day maybe that's me why she's giddy but if that is the case well why don't you find out because this is just one it says 1, 542,000 CBS news interview with Hillary Clinton there he goes laughed about killing Gaddafi go to that that's from 2016 and let's see when it says it says flashback maybe it was like right after

164:00and she was so giddy but if that's the case this is the link to that video I just pulled up okay so if that's but what does it say in that article in that article that you're reading before you click on it see flash right there yeah like what does it say there doesn't say anything well he died in 2011 and she supposedly had the big head injury in 2012 so you can't even like blame it on that then I'll look into it one more if that's the case you can't really blame it on that cuz that means that she hit her head after this she's laughing probably about Gaddafi dying and she fell maybe when you laugh really hard and you're not that healthy she was drinking or or you think she boozes it up is that what you're saying Scott Adams well you can't rule that out definitely can't she doesn't look too healthy she's definitely not eating the best foods you know I was saying that no

164:48matter how how much she drinks if she is a social Drinker and you know it people were just social drinkers who've had two drinks let's say you don't want them driving right so why isn't that disqualifying for someone who's going to be in control of the nuclear Arsenal who admits yes I'm a social Drinker now in the past you never had to ask that question because it was two social drinkers running against each other so you were going to get a social Drinker no matter who got elected but Trump's the first time you had a non-drinker he doesn't drink at all no no he hasn't had a sip of alcohol in his life really or a drug he claims I'd like to get him drunk and high how about that this says she was being interviewed in Afghanistan on that day and news hit so that I guess that video was not being taped NE or wasn't the supposed to be taped but was like an off air kind of recording oh

165:38yeah it was definitely an off air recording but so so that was like right when it happened and she was laughing about it right when it happened but that explains why she was out of character for her normal that does make sense she was giddy it was off camera that they just killed this guy and she was off camera yeah that makes sense that's a lot more logical I'm glad we solved this we solved it we should be detective Scott Adams um we solved a lot of things today I think I think we cleared up a lot of people's misconceptions about you that not only did you not vote for Trump you don't vote um you were essentially just looking at this thing as uh a person who knows a lot about persuasion and knows a lot about public speaking and you were looking at this you were going this is um you're almost like watching a game you're watching a game play out and if you say look the Raiders going to

166:28slaughter the Dolphins it doesn't mean you hate the Dolphins it means you're looking at the actual line the defensive line the offense the quarterback you're going I see where this game's going to go I I thought when this whole thing started developing the Trump candidacy that it would open a crack in the universe where I could talk about this persuasion stuff and be believed and in order to be believed my technique for that was last year I predicted so that you know when the day came when I was right I would have enough credibility to say okay so the other things I said maybe should pay attention to them too so it was sort of a long game I was playing for credibility and um I thought that persuasion would be the most important variable it's certainly a huge variable in this world um as is what we discussed earlier the ability to speak publicly with confidence not just persuasion but

167:19just to not look rattled you know even if you're not persuaded like you don't he's not getting defeated even when he's losing and I would see like these debates and I would say well she made some Salient points she seemed more articulate she seemed smoother with her words she seemed more stately but he never felt like he lost he didn't act like he lost that's giant too yeah people people are you know they pick up their feelings from other people we just look at them and say hey he's happy suddenly I'm happy just picking that up people walk in the room and they're downers and your energy goes down as soon as they enter well it's watching someone super uncomfortable or unsuccessful is very it's hard to do like watching someone bomb on stage very hard to do one of one of my uh great like moments when I started to understand the world better is the first

168:08time I smoke pot in college and for most of my college experience I F I found this weird pattern that people were nicer to me if I had just gotten high H and it was years before I realized that I was causing them to be nice because you were nicer to them I was just relaxed and you were giving a better Vibe out gave up the vibe and I realized that I can I can control how they act simply by my emotional state well definitely we control how people react to US based on what kind of and I've given off the wrong energy before and you see it in people you're like ah you know like maybe you're too caught up in what you're doing you don't want to be bothered or whatever it is we've all been there before and then we've all been on the opposite where maybe someone's like this guy's a dick and you're like really I just had a wonderful Pleasant conversation with him

168:56you know CU you interfaced with them with in the perfect way at the right time with respect and the guy lowered his guard and you know and gave a little back to you and you gave more to him and then everybody's good we I see I think we've all experienced both of those things and I think that's one of the problems with one person accounts of any bad thing that went on like and I and I've looked at some of this Trump stuff and I'm like man what what really did happen what really did happen with the the Clinton accusations what was really going down between these two people cuz one of them's talking about the other one isn't and we don't know what the the answer is and I think that that's often the case it's like the actual reaction that people have they they want to think that the other person was being a dick but maybe you were being something negative too and they

169:41reacted to that then it compounded but maybe if Scott Adams was talking to the guy and used the exact same words none of the dis agreement would have taken place in the first place right the messenger is always you know the message well we're both we we are more than one thing and when human beings are interacting with each other we're we're doing it's almost like we're putting on a combined effort and we're we're piecing together a conversation and this conversation is a joint effort it's like there's we're both contributing to it and it might come out terrible and but it might not be your fault it might be 100% my fault or it might be 100% your fault like but the the way it comes out is because the two of us together didn't syn up you know and often times you say I met Scott Adams he's a piece of but it's not really you it might just be the way I hear that a lot how

170:31dare you but it might be the way this person talked to you like they might have started out right off the bat trying to joke around and and you know said something rude or said something they thought was funny and you didn't or caught you at a bad time or you know yeah I I just try to be aware Ware that I'm I'm causing people to be the way they are more often than you know you imagine well I also got to think that being the president has got to be I mean you want to look at yourself the way the world looks at you the harshness of the view of the people on the outside looking in there's no better way than to be the president I mean he's got people walking down Wilshire blocking traffic screaming they hate him like that's if anything's going to cause you a narcissist clearly obviously the guy has a great love for himself which is part of his success part of why he puts

171:24his name on the buildings he has a great love for himself that takes a hit when you see thousands of Americans hundreds of thousands in fact wandering down the street with signs saying they hate you I don't know you think I'm not sure it does because um You probably have your critics as well and they're not blocking traffic uh you imagine if the people that hated you were blocking traffic Dilbert and they just had this gigantic stream of people with chance Donald Trump KKK racist sexist anti-gay and they're screaming you know none these things are true I just imagine myself in you know the Oval Office I'm looking out the window I'm the president and I see the protesters and I'm thinking I'm not having a bad day I'm the president of the United States so I I I think it gets lost in the noise after you get elected I mean if civilization breaks down that's you're talking about a guy

172:19that if someone tweets something negative about it he's got to Tweet back you're talking about a guy if somebody writes an article about him in the Wall Street Journal he'll go on his Twitter page and call that magazine or that newspaper a piece of the failed New York Times still won't stop lying about me this is not a guy who's immune to the impact of criticism against him so if that criticism is coming in the form of hundreds of thousands of people protesting the idea that he's going to suddenly become enlightened enough to ignore that totally but but don't don't miss the pattern he he attacks professional so he he goes after people who are in the cage if you're not in the cage you're cool so those people on the street that are just screaming and what what has he said about the protesters I think what he said is kind of interesting because I think what he did

173:04say is that it's great that they have these rights to protest and he likes the fact that they're all getting together and voice their opinion but we're all going to work this out together and he likes her energy or something like that something like that so so that's that's my point yeah if any of if that if the parade had been led by you know a reporter from The New York Times he would have eviscerated the professional right and he wouldn't have touched anybody behind him because they're they're the citizens yeah no that's a good point you you make a very convincing AR argument for this all being a positive event and I think one of the best Arguments for it being a positive event is this is the first time ever we've had someone who has no no political background or aspirations and they're already famous and successful and they become the president so we're

173:52gonna get to see and is a guy who wants to dismantle a system like one of the things he said about passing bills when you pass a new bill you got to get rid of two old ones yeah and I was like regulations regulations excuse me and you know my my first reaction to that was oh that is a stupid oversimplification but I'll bet there are enough old laws that they want to get rid of anyway MH that for a long time you could get rid of two for one yeah there might be some ridiculous ones that we could get rid of it's entirely possible yeah you can't do that rule forever for a while D deregulation um when it comes to environmental efforts is one thing that terrifies people and this um climate denier uh concern that's a real issue that's something that could affect us let's you want to talk about that sure please cuz people have been begging me please to give any argument

174:41that doesn't make Donald Trump look like a science and I'm sorry I shouldn't use that word I apologize doesn't have any bearing on science it's not a medical term is people that are with their they're slow to catch on and we're not talking about mental illness we're talking about retards all right uh but I apologize if anybody was offended I'm going to do that any don't you do it um so here's here's my best argument let's say I'll just play lawyer for a second and I'm going to defend Donald Trump's climate change position okay which disagrees with all of science so you're starting from a deep hole right so you acknowledge that I've got a tough task here to Def right and what what's State's opinion for what is his position first his opinion is that we don't need to actively work on climate change um rather he would rather work actively on cleaning the uh air and the water and I

175:39think he thinks that gets us to the same place um and it might uh here's my argument I believe and again I'm going to speculate a little bit here so I don't want to put too many words into the president's mouth but I think that he's separating the data collection part of the science which is you've measured things and sure enough temperatures seems to be changing in historically um significant ways and sure enough humans seem to be behind some part of that change I think Trump accepts that part of it the second part of it is not the data collection it's the complicated models that predict what happens with all this data I think that Trump thinks that those models are unreliable and not credible and probably just like he thought the polls were inaccurate all right remember you just watched him defy every expert in the world 100% of holsters said no Donald Trump look at

176:34our numbers this could not be more clear it's independent people these are legitimate professionals there's no freaking way that you win with these numbers and Donald Trump said I don't believe the plls and it was was right Donald Trump was right right but there's a big difference between poles and scientific measurements of our carbon footprint no I'm I'm not saying that they're the same thing so I'm not going to I'm not going to leap and say case close based I'm just going to say that through our history if you're trying to find the context how many times have we built a complicated model on that scale and got it right all right so there's nobody who's doing a good job of uh predicting where the economy will be next year those are very similar in in the sense that there's lots of variables and models and stuff um that that turns out to be just random if if yeah but the

177:23economy is largely based on confidence it's there's a bunch of factors involved in the economy how much is involved in the atmosphere I mean if you can their models figure out that there's a you volcano over here there's you know something happened in the ocean that you didn't expect some some uh seaweed you don't think they hold on do you don't think they've accounted for that when they're talking about the models of the the Earth being warmer every year for the past decade and scientists being incredibly concerned that have been studying this their whole lives seeing unprecedented levels of change you don't think that that's I I think that here's where the analogy to the uh the polling is similar we all thought the pilot polling was reliable because it's sort of math and you know the science seems to work what you realize later is that there was a whole bunch of judgment that

178:12went into which variable to include and you know um assumptions about who's going to show up on polling day and nobody could have any good idea what was going to happen so the the most important part of the models was literally just people sitting in the room say I don't know I think it'll be like last time you think that's the case with science though and climate change that doesn't make any sense to me I think that it seems likely and again this would be subject to smarter people correcting me and I I could easily be corrected on this um I think that when you have big complicated models and lots of people working on it there are probably places in which people are using judgment for example and this would just be a you know just to make the point there may be two sets of data and you could say well this one seems more reliable than that one because of

178:58whatever so I would think that probably different scientists could get wildly different projections and all of them tapping the same source of data just like the pollsters got the wrong you know answers but they're all looking at the same data I see what you're saying kind of but I really don't see the connection between that and the polls because everybody knows the polls is based on a very small group of people whereas the vast majority of the pro of the population is largely uncounted like we really weren't we were guessing and gauging their opinion but that wasn't the problem because polling is scientific enough that it can capture in some way but the the conceit is I mean you have to admit that there's a certain percentage that we absolutely know we're not measuring those people when you're talking about the temperature of the earth you're you're absolutely measuring

179:48I mean you're measuring the climate all over the globe you're actually me measuring the sheer hard numbers there's no opinion based on there's no fluctuation of opinion I'm agreeing with you uh that the data collection is probably pretty solid because there's you know enough interpretation of the data is what you're disagreeing with by the time you put it into an economic model there's almost certainly some a judgment call that somebody doesn't think is a judgment call that's almost guaranteed to be part of the model building procedure now I would love for somebody to educate me on this because I've never talked to somebody who whose job it is to build a climate model like I'd love to sit in the room and say is there any part of this where two people who are both experts could have picked a different variable and I'm almost certain that's the case because it's a lot of variables and it's

180:38complicated and it's always going to be the case right but when you have a mass consensus when it comes to scientists you're not talking about politicians you're not talking about CNN versus Fox News you're talking about scientists right we have a vast consensus that believe that we have a real issue with our carbon footprint and that we really need to slow down the amount of pollutants and the the the particul that we put into the air so is that a word particul no particles what's the word what's the word with like the that's the thing that people worry about a lot of is not just the like the carbon in the air but also the dirt the dust the the the actual pollution being so so here here's the Third Leg of my uh particulates yeah I was right okay thank you of my defense so Trump's thing is clean the water clean the air good move but it seems like that's going to get

181:27you to the same place right right now let me give you another another it's really hot no let me give you another analogy um I put solar panels on my house when I built it uh nine years ago um what those solar panels have save me enough electricity and I can predict forward that I'll definitely get my money back from putting on solar panels question was it a good economic idea to put those solar panels on knowing what you know that the cost will more than be uh made up in my in my savings was that a good idea for me to do seems like it wrong it was a terrible terrible idea wrong and I knew it at the time but by the way I have a background in economics that's my my degree uh MBA from Berkeley so why is it terrible idea because I knew and this is what happened the cost of solar cells dropped so quick that if I had simply waited 3 years and bought it then I would have only lost

182:23you know three years of savings but I would have gotten at such a lower price that I would pay it back much faster and then and then it'd be gravy from there on if you only wanted to look at it that way if you didn't take into consideration the variable of you affecting the carbon footprint of the Earth by gathering up your electricity for three years due to Conventional so that's actually why I did it so I made made a bad economic decision right because the what we call these stupid Rich have to go first yeah but it wasn't a terrible idea it just wasn't a good idea economically it was a very good idea it wasn't a good idea economically but only economically but I'm sure you can't consider all sorts of other variables all right but all all analogies break down ultimately so I dare but but they're good for they're good for explaining a point they're not

183:10good for approving a point I like to say that so here's the analogy odds are that technology is going to save us from climate change really yeah there there're already um you know on the drawing board ideas for putting like a a giant hose into the upper atmosphere and and somehow sucking bad things out we're going to suck all the clouds out too we're going to it up but but CH but chances are chances are and again you might not want to take this risk I'm not even saying you should but chances are if you waited 5 or 10 years and then got serious about it you'd probably be in a better position because we'd have better technology and and starting from that point we'd just be in a better place or now I'm not saying we should do that okay I'm just saying that you can't know that starting now is the smart thing because like my solar panels the technology is changing so fast that

184:03waiting a little bit until you really can get some purchase with some good technology and just go balls to the wall and say all right $500 billion dollar we're going to spend now because we got the solution maybe this is a convenient way that you're interfacing with the soft Weare simulation that we're all trapped in you're choosing to take this path of uh success based on technological progression rather than based on uh taking care of Mother Earth well doesn't doesn't every model assume that um everything stays the same and there's just more of it right so here's one thing I can guarantee your climate change model does not include okay hose to the upper atmosphere I never thought about you brought it up and isn't that going to be the biggest Factor it will be the technological change that happens between now and then in fact that's the whole point of alarming us so we'll work

184:57hard on the technological changes I thought they should make a skyscraper sized air filter that that's that's one of the plans there there is a something like that yeah then they could actually take that carbon out of the atmosphere and use it for fuel right burn it burn it back I I I've seen some amazing things in in headlines recently but I never trust any of them it totally makes sense that if we can clean air in your house like you know we have that right behind you right there for when people smoke cigarettes we have that air filter it's pretty powerful like someone can sit in your seat and smoke a cigarette and this room will be bearable wow yeah you can you can do that and that that's a very simple portable unit some buildings have very sophisticated units so I think the technology for scrubbing the atmosphere already exists it's just not implementing it on a large scale is not

185:48economical so just like my solar panels so the point is if you started now and spent $500 billion you might get a billion dollars worth of benefit because you don't have the right technology if you waited they had the right technology and then put your effort into it you might get it for cheap okay we don't know that so that that's a risk that's a risk everybody's you know got to assess that uh is much more comfortable than the idea of a climate change deny perspective like a climate change Optimist like yeah I know it's kind of up now but we've got some stuff in the works don't worry folks we looked at the progressions we're going to be fine well I I think um Trump is trying to have it both ways you know he's got people he needs to satisfying the right but he doesn't want to be a crazy man on the left so he has to find some story that both people can find some comfort

186:40in because this is you know such a big issue and I think that middle ground is where he's trying he's sort of AB testing it now by saying let's clean the air you know you know clean the the water MH cuz how do you do that you can't no you do all the same stuff don't you but you really can't do that yet you know like clean all the water and clean all the air you would have to like well well but the Technologies to get there right are going to be at least overlapping with whatever you need to do with climate change hopefully CU you you still want your electric car either way uh it's just a different way to get there you also got to think that whatever byproducts that are in the in the atmosphere and in the water all that stuff could probably be used for something I mean the whatever these yeah I I think I think there's already at least in the lab they've they've made it

187:25useful that would be really fascinating if we figured out a way someday to get to a a zero emission State you know where everything we use gets recycled we keep the air pure and we just figured out a way to be completely efficient and how we burn things or how we make things or how we recycle things and that we all we I mean it just seems like I think what you're saying economically once if it becomes economically feasible like there's becomes like this big Financial boom in taking whatever the particulat and the the carbon or whatever it is out of the atmosphere and you make Mass amounts of money from doing that you know and people figure out a way to get really rich doing it yeah somebody's got to figure out a way to get rich like every solution has that in it right it's like and then somebody found out a way to get rich okay problem solved is this one of the first podcasts you've done

188:17like this um I've done other podcasts but uh you sort of prepared yourself for something like this by doing periscopes like you're really good at these like long formed things have you ever thought about doing your own podcast uh I have actually I'm curious about it just tell people going to be M mad at me right now they get mad every time I tell somebody to do a podcast because like dude everybody shouldn't do a podcast but I think you should do a podcast I really do would be remiss if I did not bring it up people have been asking me do it I can't tell you how many people just begged me to come on your show really it's the single most requested thing of my year wow is you holy you specifically wow well it was worth it for me I enjoyed it you enjoy I had a great time we do this again this is a peak experience let's do it again I would definitely do let's do

189:03it once a year let's come come back in a year and we'll see how this crazy plan's working out I'll do that let's do it sure thank you Scott I really appreciate it man thank you very much Scott Adam says on Twitter um your blog is Dilbert just go to dilbert.com dilbert.com buy my book uh had it failed almost everything still wouldn't big and look at my app whenhub do what is the app whenhub what what is it oh it's a imagine a Uber app without the Uber car where you and your friends can just see that you're meeting going toward the same location oh so if your friend says oh I'm stuck in traffic you're like you haven't even left your house yet o I like it keep people responsible thank you very much Scott really appreciate it I had a great time talking to you all right likewise all right folks we'll be back on Monday with Shannon the Canon Briggs let's go champ see you then