Miesha Tate

00:00like metrop PCS M cuz I see all those commercials that they do we're live right now we're live we're on the air Misha Tate were on the air what's up I just had to let Mesa Tate know the world was flat she didn't know that the man has been holding us down and with us and giving us bad information that satellites are and that the Earth doesn't rely on gravity but it uses electromagnetism to make sure things get stuck where is this coming from the world the world there's a lot of people out there in the world that are waking up do you know what being woke is are you aware of being woke no you not you don't know about being woke Jam's woke stay woke stay woke you got to stay woke stay woke so people think that the Earth is flat yes you can all use also use wokeness as you could use it as like uh you could say like I have wokeness you know what I'm saying like you just because you're

00:52just because of the UFC bantamweight champion does not equal your wokeness so what is wokeness you're woke aware the man has been like the Earth being round the Earth ain't round the Earth's flat as the Earth is flat and chemtrails are the the government spraying the skies and uh there's no gravity here's square and stationary earth oh is this a new one that's one of the parts of the theory you think about chem you think Chemtrails are real is that what you're saying well I don't know I kind of wonder what they are like what are they that's a good question that's a good question wonder the problem is people take that and then they go right to conspiracy questions yeah right I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I have questions like I want to know what they are are they when jet engine flies through the sky and the Jet Engine encounters condensation in the atmosphere it creates an artificial

01:43Cloud it's not an artificial Cloud it's an actual cloud and the cloud is a direct reaction to the jet engine changing the temperature of the air in the atmosphere it is scientifically proven it's repeatable they could do it over and over again that's why when you see those things in the sky those things exist when the jet engines pass through the condensation and it changes the temperature and then they slowly fade away or not depending upon how much moistures in the atmosphere why does some planes do it and other ones don't well because some planes are at different altitudes and some plan you know how clouds exist in some places but they don't exist in Vegas there's PE well maybe there's no condensation Vegas it's like there's flights coming in all the time and you watch a steady stream coming in and none of them have it but then like the little like I don't know

02:25they're like small I don't know if they're small planes they're not commercial planes the little ones those are the ones that make all Chemtrails so I'm like does that well they call them Chemtrails I don't even know if I'm technically saying it right now I don't know what they are well what do they call them they call them contrails that's the real the real like if you ask a scientist they call them contrails if you ask conspir conspiracy people they'll call them Chemtrails cuz they think they're spraying chemicals in the air this is something that I had to like deeply study for this show uh that I did called question I wondered about this for a long time I've heard so many I've heard obviously most of the the conspiracy part of it everybody hears about I've heard that they're trying to like control the weather with it somehow that's part of the problem is

03:07that they are trying to control the weather in different parts of the world they spray um they do what's called cloud seeding but cloud seeding is very different than what you're seeing when you're seeing these artificial clouds what cloud seeding is they'll spray a certain type of chemical into in into the atmosphere that will create rain and they do it in Abu Dhabi in Abu Dhabi they actually do it every every week they do it once so they've done it like 52 times a year and it makes rain yeah that's been going on for a long time but that's very different than these artificial clouds that are being created by Jets that's just a side effect for you though like the artificial travel the artificial jets are the Rain Rain the the chemical just rain well it's silver iodine I think and some other stuff is it fine to like fine to breathe in and stuff yeah I'm sure it's not any

03:54better than jet fuel that's burning in your sky above your head that's the real problem yeah driving here and all that good well people that live near um airplane airports rather they have a significantly higher rate of lung infections and lung diseases and lung disorders like interesting like how far now I'm thinking about how far I live from the Vegas Airport how far do you live it takes me like 20 minutes get there 15 minutes is that too close prob okay probably okay well I think we're all yeah we're all we're all breathing we're all living in the same under the same Flat Earth exactly under the same Flat Earth that's one of the problems with the whole chem Theory like don't they live down here too there spraying the skies like what are they trying to do and is either the idea is it's either weather modification or that they're trying to uh change our behavior

04:38that some people think it's their changing I heard like it's it's something to do with crops too or something they're trying to I don't know they're growing crops in Vegas I don't think they grow in Vegas tumble weeds they probably grow pot now there probably a lot of pot grown in Vegas there probably is it used to be so illegal like if you went to Vegas you had to be like really careful about having weed but now when you drive around they have the giant weed doctor Billboards and know it's really weird it's like the the call 800 hot babe on one side and then doctor weed on the other side that's a weird place to live isn't it it is but it's it's I feel like Vegas is kind of what you make it it's whatever you make it like if you want to go down to the strip and be crazy and be wild and hang out with all the Hooligans that are there for the weekend you can but if not like just

05:24live in your little house and go hike the red rocks and go down to the the lake it's pretty Barren pretty ugly Lake honestly I came from Washington State so I'm used to a lot of greenery yeah and it's beautiful there and we got the sanon islands you can go whale watching and it's just gorgeous but it rains way too much we have a national rainforest up there too it's beautiful yeah I'm a big fan of Washington state but the rain can with your head right yeah I couldn't I lived there for I mean I was 18 before I moved to the the um Eastern side which is very different actually a lot of people don't know this so the mountain range divides the state half and on the east side Eastern side of Washington it's super dry it's like deserty like there's actually tumble weeds and sand dunes and all that it's completely different on the other side of Washington the moisture comes in from

06:10the ocean hits the mountains rolls back over rains like double duty on the west side and then the east side of wash of Washington is really dry and you're from Spokane right no I'm from Tacoma Tacoma T Compton Tac Compton is that what people call it that's hilarious yeah is it ghetto yeah it is pretty ghetto but I lived on that it's a it's really big actually it's um I think if I'm not mistaken I should probably know those things but I don't pay attention to a lot of things as you'll probably find out don't know a lot lot of statistics and stuff I'm kind of like one those fly by the seat of my pants like whatever's going on it's cool but I think it's it's one of the um biggest like circumference like the widest cities like not most populated but like most area in Washington anyway so on I live on the very outskirts like near pup so I grew up on like five acres

06:56and like I had some land I wasn't like in the heart of it but it's Prett cool place so going from there to living in Vegas but I guess like as you're a professional fighter your days are probably so filled with training and recovery and eating like how much time do you have actually have to even be in the city that you're in like none when I'm in Camp yeah really not much um maybe on the weekends sometimes that's what's nice about it too is you can go down there and um just enjoy a comedy show I mean you come through often like a lot of Acts come through Kev heart comes through a lot of musicians a lot of concerts so it's nice because everyone comes to you essentially you don't have to go travel to see anyone so if you want to just set the cup down for a minute and like take a break from the train C want to go ride the the you know the big ferris wheel that they have

07:43there the what do you call the the link right yeah they want to go ride that or or do whatever you know um it's nice because there's so so much going on as long as you can stay outside of it right like you like in like Henderson or something like that um I live in mountains Edge um so yeah for the most part I don't ever even see this trip unless I'm driving by it like to go visit the UFC offices or something like that well it's a good place to live as a professional fighter right because there's a lot of gyms there there's a lot of great training there there's like across the board strength and conditioning Muay thae boxing well and it's the home of the UFC so it's nice there to because there's a lot of um extracurricular things that I get to take part of because I'm I'm local you know I can do a lot more charity things and with a boys and girls club and you know just going

08:30you know being a part of the OC I guess I get to I get to do more things that's cool yeah now your life is very different right now that it was a year ago it is how crazy is that yeah like you a year ago you were talking about like not doing this anymore you like I got to figure out what I'm doing you're the World Champ I know here I am talk about a freaking 180 yeah my my career in life would couldn't have been different a year ago than it is now you know how strange is that how that can just ch in an instant you just never know what does that feel like it's like when you wake up in the morning do you have to go okay there's the Bel the morning p didy no for real I'm happy it's um it's enlightening it's fun it's it's great to be the champ I I love it honestly it's a completely different feeling and yeah you know a year ago I was so frustrated because you know when I lost Ronda the

09:26last time I knew I had a a long road you know and to work my way back up but I thought I had done that and when I beat Jessica ey it was announced like you know this is going to be the the number one Contender Eliminator fight and then afterwards they're like yes it is you're going to fight Rhonda then I felt like the carpet was kind of just pulled out from under my feet because they're like just kidding Holly's you know Holly's fighting and they announced it without telling me so that's why I was so upset cuz like I don't take this lightly you know yeah like I was training my ass off already I had already reached out to um a girl in France I I can't say her name right I think it's like jivy I don't know some French name but she beat Rhonda and Judo so I had already like been making plans with her to train with her and fly her over here and she was

10:04changing things and I was like feel like such an ass like I feel like an idiot like I look like an idiot cuz here the announcement was made and I didn't even know so I was kind of upset about that but you know we talked about it we smooth things over and and I took it personally at the time but I don't think it was meant personally you it was a business decision and I understanded that at the end of the day that's what it was and it all worked out so the UFC is in a weird position because they're both a promoter and sort of a sanctioning body Y and that's really rare mhm and matter of fact I can't think of any other sport where that exists yeah you know they have just this ability to decide like they'll they'll just decide like this person gets a shot like the whole Conor McGregor situation is a perfect example of that like all of a sudden if he had beaten Nate Diaz or

10:49if he had beaten dos sanos like if dos sanjos didn't get injured and he beat beat dos sanjos you know for sure they were going to have him fight Robbie Lawler like for sure and they were just going to like figure out a way to do something with 145 PMT and why wouldn't they do it if they were business people because that's where the money is I mean it would been if he had beat dos anjos and then went on and fought Robbie Lawler Jesus Christ you talk like a five million pay-per-view buy event they'd have to do it it would be insane but if that was like a sanctioning body like you've seen it before in like boxing like someone won't take a mandatory Challenger and they get stripped even when they just won the title it happens all the time like where a fight will just win the title and then they have this mandatory Challenger who nobody knows and they that fight

11:34I'm going to go fight Canelo Alvarez I'm going to fight this guy or that guy and then they get stripped like because there's like five different sanctioning bodies like boxing is way more of a mess so there's like pros and cons to doing it the way the UFC does it but from a point of view of Someone Like You It's probably much more frustrating well you just never know what to expect like you get curveballs all the time in the UFC you don't know what to expect you know like a lot of people were so pissed off at me for for the Holly home not having the rematch right away but it's like it's not that's not my choice you know why would they piss off of you I don't because they think that I like turned it down or I should have went in there like guns of Blazing for Holly and like put myself out on my shield like no we have to have the Holly rematch you guys you

12:16don't understand but um you know they called me up like Amanda July 9th I'm like okay yeah how do you say no to UFC 200 how the do you say no no you don't you can't say no if that's what they come up with you're like I'm in yeah and you know it's like dude relax most people don't get immediate rematches in their career like unless you are Conor McGregor or Rond or you know someone that's really got a presence you don't get an immediate rematch like I didn't when I went back in Strikeforce when when I lost to Rhonda I didn't get an immediate I've never gotten an immediate rematch in my career I would have loved to immediately rematch cat when I lost to her but you just don't get it sometimes you got to work your way back up and you know hope for the best but we will I'm sure we'll we'll fight each other again she's fighting uh Valentina shenko now yeah that's going to be in Chicago right

13:01it's going to be on the rumble Johnson Glover to share card which is woo yeah wo that's going to be crazy it is and they're both southpaws and Strikers it's going to be interesting yeah shevchenko is tough as too she's she's like a bulldog be interesting she's very like physically strong she's like you like the way she fights she's very physical I think I feel like they're kind of both I was just watching her fight with Amanda again the other day I think I only got through like the round and a half before I had to go cuz I was doing the fox fo fox show the other day and we were we announced the fight with Holly that's why I was watching shenko and um she seems like a counter Striker too though I always wonder when you get two people who are counter- Strikers but Elite Strikers what happens well Holly is much more of a kicker and Holly also is like much more Fleet of

13:47foot so it's going to be interesting but Holly's not weak either she's very physically strong so it's going to be an interesting fight that's a really good fight and for shevchenko it's super important you know she's had a couple good fights in the UFC but like this is the big one you know this is like the chance put on the map is it headlining yeah yeah be a big one is that the main event of that card I think that's the same card as Rumble Johnson and Glover I can't imagine that that fight wouldn't be the main event but I don't know it might be on is it on Fox yeah is a fox one that's going to be a big fight it will be it's it's an awesome card period that Chicago CU Chicago is awesome I love Chicago oh my God it's one of my favorite cities in the world have you ever had Molly's Cupcakes no you're going to say Molly are you really into cupcakes like you have this nickname

14:32Cupcake Is that real are you a cupcake fan know what's weird so recently probably the last month I've been working with a new sports doctor Dr Edwards and um he's changing my diet which is is great so I've been eating more of a high fat diet you know yeah ketogenic diet and I've been staying away from a lot of sugars and stuff and um I feel really good so I haven't been mwing down the cupcakes recently but um in the past I've been known to put down you know a couple and the moment you said ketogenic there's thousands of people listening to this podcast and like no not again because it comes up so often because I've been doing that for 5 months I've been eating nothing but that like that's how I eat I've lost like 10 lounds yeah Brian's lost so much weight on this di like his Camp before that was a struggle to get the weight down he's really big for 135 he gets up to like

15:21165 you know he can get up to 170ish yeah I remember when he was making the cut the first time I was like oo yeah it was lot hard and but this one you switched to that you know with a little bit of carbs obviously if you're an athlete you have to have some carbs do strictly fats and what not but anyways weight has flown off he's way ahead of schedule he's doing really good so we're pumped about that and I'm eating loads of fats too and staying lean and healthy and I feel good so like do you do um like what protocol are you following like is it like 60% fats 30% protein 10% carbs like do you no not that scientific about it I kind of just listen to my body and I just eat what I feel I feel like I've been doing it so long that I just kind of have a natural sense it's like if I'm hungry then I just choose to eat something that's more fat based than something

16:12that's sugary or carb like what kind of foods are you gravitating towards so recently I've been so stoked about liver mousse liver mousse like Mo P yeah yeah they're delicious like if you go to Whole Foods and you go to the cheese section they have these little packages of moous liver and they have different flavors and I got like a truffled one I think I I ate almost the whole thing in one sitting but they're not that big I mean they're like you know but I mean it's kind of a lot of fat and the liver is really really good for you it's got like vitamin D and tons of vitamin C I guess more than carrots like liver has crazy amounts of vitamin C so it's just like a superfood my doctor told me I'm like I'll eat whatever I tend to like Foods more when I know they're good for me too something like mentally in my brain just tells me this is good for you you like it really

16:59well I guess if you train as much as you do that does totally make sense yeah and beets beets beets are great for you beet juice oh yeah that sffs fantastic for you Beach juice also it mimics things like um the um endurance properties of things like um uh certain mushrooms like U if you take beats like rich rich R who was a um endurance athlete was saying that he found like significant advantages in taking beet juice and that like blending beets in like a tail shake or something along those lines really gave him like an extra boost in training yeah this this little company called love Beast I don't know if they're little they could be big love beets you see a lot of uh a lot of them um at the Whole Foods too they have like the cans beats and um I was doing UFC embedded and I had beets on my salad and then they reached out to me like oh we saw she had beets on her salad we want to

17:49send her out some beet juice like maybe it was maybe it was maybe she was having love beats well actually was love beats and they sent me out this oh man this shit's delicious so good w and they have one that's um beets and ginger they have one oh my God it's a die for I love it yeah all that stuff like any anytime you can get like powerful natural nutrients like beets and they come in glass too which I'm kind of like I kind of got on that that glass drinking out of glass instead of plastic I kind of got on that train a little bit I don't know if you're on that yet well it's definitely smart I mean plastic for sure can leech some some chemicals we can taste it sometimes in the water and I'm like if I feel like if I can taste it and our body's made up so much of water anyways so think with a better water you put in your body makes more sense right for sure well the real

18:34issue I think is when people live bottles of water plastic bottles in their car they heat up well think about how they get transported it's not like they're in a cooler very good point yeah you know I mean you drink them cold if if it's cold you don't taste the plastic as much so they sell it to you cold or you put in the fridge and you drink your water bottle and you don't really taste it as much but if you let it get to room temperature just buying it from the store you probably you'll taste some plastic I wonder if anybody's ever done any study where they've taken just Arrowhead water and you know Fiji Water from a shelf and just tested it and see how much funky is in the actual water itself yeah I wonder too but I just the fact that I can taste it sometimes like I think I'll go with glass it's like more natural it's better for you right yeah for sure so do you

19:16eat do you eat a lot of avocados MCT oil coconut oil like that MCT oils I but I've been digging this um are you did turmeric yeah curcumin curcumin oh yeah yeah the doctor round to Patrick Show oh my gosh she blew my mind I've listened to that episode like five times she been on like four times and I still have to go back over them with like a fine tooth call write notes I just downloaded the the second one i' I've listened to the first one like five times so I figured like think I got enough of the information finally she's so freaking smart and then now I download the the one before the last one so I'm about to listen to that one probably on the flight home yeah she's spooky smart yeah so she was talking about all that and my sports doctors is is in complete agreeance so anyways I don't know where I was going with that what did you ask me oh about eating oh coconut oil um

20:02curcumin or turmeric and ginger I make like a tea in the morning and I eat that I like blend it up so it's frothy and delicious speaking of not eating a lot of sugar though we did um I did UFC on uh uh UFC tonight last night and then we did tough talks and the the kid khil we had a cupcake eating contest oh no oh my God I was wrecked for the rest of last night I cuz I haven't been eating sugar I was you know I'm comp so I'm just mowing down these cupcakes how you eat so they they gave me like smaller ones for the weight class discrepancy so you had like I know but you know what actually it was kind of a disadvantage CU I had to peel more of them I to spend time trying to peel them out so I I I I think I ate four and then my esophagus just shut and it was like like no more you're not swallowing another bite of this so I shoved three more in my mouth and just like held them in there the

20:59last sent I was like shoving them in my mouth so I think it was seven but I spit three of them out now when you say you're esophagus shut was it like you couldn't swall did you have milk it didn't I did have milk but there was just too much there wasn't room for milk in my mouth anymore it was just all cupcake it was like I couldn't like it was hilarious the video is on my Facebook page if you're interested in watching it was pretty disgusting actually what did you feel like after it was over oh I felt terrible honestly like I was like shaking I was like uh I was like yeah I feel I kind of had a gut ache I was like this is a really bad idea isn't that weird that you could have eaten those things like a year ago no problem and then I just ma four mini cupcakes and I'm feeling like garbage I um I was on the diet for a long time and then I had a cheeseburger and a malt

21:44like a a big ass chocolate malt and I was it was a huge malt it was like that big it was all sugar it gets you I was wrecked like I I lay down a couch it is well you just get used to it that's the problem and when you're used to it your body seems like ah this is nothing so when people oh here you are here you are eating a cupcake see I tried milk look at how full my mouth is watch and I'm throwing they're counting down I'm like God so ridiculous it's so gross disgusting it's disgusting it's terrible I like K with the referee outfit on I couldn't I have three cupcakes in my mouth right now my lips are literally bursting like see if this was Fear Factor we would have made you swallow it and open your mouth that's the only way it counts I would have speaking of Fear Factor I always want wanted to do that show I used to watch it all the time I would talked you out of it like I could I

22:32could eat that disgusting stuff you think you could I think I could well you could probably eat some of it I ate some of it really I was going to ask you was the most disgusting thing that they made someone eat you think Blended stuff was the worst like Blended Blended bugs and stuff Blended pancreas and different disgusting like Blended spleens and there was some and you know what's really interesting is one of the ways we made things more disgusting was expensive cheap like if you go to what's it called a form I don't remember I have expensive cheese story do you yeah but go ahead tell I but anyway they would go to this Beverly Hill Store that that sells like super expensive like Primo French cheese and it smells like donkey dick it's so bad you open up the the tub of it and you go what in the is wrong with French people how are you eating this this is mine it's that's my that's my

23:23disgusting stinky cheese story it was in France the first time I went to Paris it was over Valentine day and Brian and I were on this really beautiful dinner boat thing and you know they bring out all this food and we're eating fagra and like whatever and they bring out cheese and I I am a cheese lover like I love cheese I could never give up cheese it's the one I I would I would venture to say well especially now for sure I'd pick cheese over cupcakes if I had to cut something out of my diet bye-bye cupcakes like I'm eating I'm sticking with the cheese anyways they bring this cheese out and there's three of them one is fine the other one's like it's a little stinky but I think I'll try it the the other one smelled like a rotting carcass I kid you not I believe you it smelled like someone ran over roadkill and then they like then they served it up like two weeks later after it had

24:11been like in a Ste I was like people eat this I'm like what's wrong with I was like get it away I was wouldn't touch you with a 10ft pole there's place in Beverly Hills where we used to send the people that work for fearfactory to buy it and they you'd walk by this place and just open the door and you'd be like what in the is in there and meanwhile people are paying a lot of money for this stuff oh my God if it smelled anything like what that smelled like I might have struggled to eat it I bet it was the same stuff I mean I don't know what it was called I would have to call my friend plug my nose ask it's called I like to think I'd be able to eat anything as I don't know well you're pretty mentally tough I'm sure you could get through it and then after it was over you probably blank out that section of your mind that deals with that and just go into the Zone

24:57throw it in and then like am I good yeah and then you'd run over to a garbage pale that's what happened I saw more people throw up than probably I would say like if you like look at my like me and like maybe cat cafeteria Lunch Ladies we probably seen the most people throw up in the world oh I bet I see I saw people throw up every week I saw people throw I became completely immune to throw up you I think would be more gross than the the Blended stuff I feel like as long as there was enough liquid to be able to to just swallow it I think I get through it but I I think what would be hard for me is the crunch like crunchy bugs they're easy really taste like anything yeah but it's not the taste texture not the texture the sound the sound of it like the shell crunching and then like the guts exploding I don't know we were just talking about this is a disgusting topic

25:44but that's like my that's like that or the big old caterpillars like where they'd pop in your mouth like hearing something like that I think is what would get me I ate a tomato horn worm that wasn't the best tasting thing in the world that one popped in my mouth yeah see that's those things I think that would be a little hard for me but it's nothing it's like that gum remember that gum they used to have that have like the squirt center it's good for your breath you remember that stuff yes do they still have that stuff I'm sure they do that gum is like like a tomato horm worm you pop it just except it doesn't taste good when squirts it just tastes like but it does it's like neutral that would be a struggle for me that's just my thing I don't know that's my thing is like anticipating the pop and then or the crunch I'm telling you you would just do it I'm telling you

26:25it's nothing the bugs are nothing I was Mexico recently and they they would serve crickets they they have crickets so like like it was a snack that they left in the hotel yeah like fried crickets I don't know I guess if I could do it at my own pace and I I like they were cooked crickets I'd probably try one yeah but it's not fear fact is not the own pace half the thing that would be the thing that you only have a certain amount I remember one where they stuck like a one of those I don't know was look those spiders with like super long long legs and was like trying to crawl out of the person's mouth while they were eating it and that was just like oh my God that would be African cave dwelling spider I ate one of those too really yeah I ate a lot of IE alive oh yeah yeah threw it in there chew it up can they bite you they tried really yeah I felt like a little

27:11pincher on my lip but are you serious yeah but I'm death you just mow it yeah I mean down like icakes you imagine being a poor spider some gag for a TV show and someone's going to eat you no but um yeah the most bugs don't taste like anything I bet the ones that are really bad are poisonous they probably would with you like if you ate a black widow probably tastes like nobody ever had to eat like a live snake or anything like that didn't they no no well you we can't animals we we we had we did we did do some stuff with snakes it was really interesting on what people would get upset about and what people wouldn't get upset about like P the Pea would they would get really upset if uh we did things with rats or things with rodents were particularly problematic but people didn't get upset about things bugs it's like there's a really clear hierarchy that people have with life and

28:02people just don't seem to get that upset about bugs but like certain animals I kind of still almost feel bad if I was to eat a live bug a part of me would feel bad really yeah I don't know what about like lobster and throw Lobster in a pot oh I feel bad about that too do you oh yeah I prefer to just kill it real quick first and then I'm fine with it like I think they're meant to be eating I'm fine like with hunting it doesn't bother me like but the the idea of them maybe experiencing a extrus amount of pain before like just just like stab it in the head real quick and then then it's it's dead you killed it humanely and then eat it no problem care about that but they say that lobsters can't feel pain but I say I say too how do you know you're not a lobster have you ever been a lobster no in a past life I was pate so I just say error on the side of caution just kill

28:52it first we used to go crabbing up in the samon islands we'd catch fresh dungeoness crabs oh God cook it within like an hour they taste so much better that way it's incredible isn't it Brian can't eat seafood to save his life at all like he can't cannot stomach it like fish like you can't like eat Sal anything anything out of the water anything even SE like seaweed what anything that psychologic or I think part of it psychologic he just doesn't like it at all he thinks it tastes disgusting like the the taste of the ocean like you get a lot in fish skin or like seaweed like anything that tastes resembles the flavor of of the ocean something watery he hates it is he from Washington State too yeah so is it like an overdose of fish because everybody's up there eating fish all the time no cuz he lived on the he lived in like the central Washington area right on the

29:38other side of the mountains so it's a little more like greeny and dry and a little bit farther away from the water but um he ate dungeon's crab that's I was going to get back to is that that the crab that we caught that day and killed and boiled and we had this sweet butter to dip it well yeah actually like he ate it and I was like yeah it was pretty good that's the only Seafood thing he's ever eaten in his life that with what's this video you showing me video swarming crabs on a seaf Flor what you ever seen this oh my God Is that real thousands and thousands of crabs you can't even see the floor is off the coast in Panama it says holy what kind of crabs are these does it say red red crabs red crabs I don't know the difference but and they're just covering the floor like sand that's insane they didn't when I think when I read this they said they didn't know

30:21what it was they thought it was just the moving sand on the ground until they got to put light on it and then they saw that it was crabs crabs wow are they little tiny crabs is that what it is I don't think so they look actually like I bet you they'd be pretty big crabs are the cleanup crew crabs and lobster it's interesting how good they taste when you consider what they do they just basically eat rotten things that like sharks leave behind other fish leave behind and I mean they're just the cleanup crew yeah we're we're like got to be grass-fed beef but we can be we can eat eating crabs now like that's so crazy that Brian doesn't eat any Seafood cuz I would imagine that like especially considering that he cut so so much weight like that would be like a good source of lean protein fish like his friends like wanted to mess with him one time and he had like he was

31:08at a restaurant and one of them had had salmon Brian's like one of those guys like doesn't even want to look like if you're eating Seafood doesn't want he doesn't want to look yeah he does he's just so like so grossed out about it and um so he got up to go to the bathroom and I guess I wasn't there I wasn't dating about this this was a long time ago I guess they picked up a piece of the salmon and like rubbed it all over the rib of his cup of milk and he smelled it and then threw it like he went to take a sip and he almost just he just like lost it cuz he yeah he smelled it and I don't know did someone like force feed him a fish when he was a little kid or something I don't know I kind of Wonder something traumatic had to have happened Eddie Bravo's got a weird thing like that like yeah onions if you give him onions he'll freak out what if they're cooked I don't

31:47think he can even eat them cooked really yeah apparently he had a douche bag for a stepdad and his stepdad used to make him eat ceviche and the onions and the ceviche to this day like just freaking the out he can't have ons like I I have a thing with that um with chocolate flavored things what yeah what about cupcakes no cannot dud you have chocolate cupcakes really no I don't like them I don't what how the do you not like chocolate I don't like chocolate ice cream I don't like but I like like milk chocolate or dark CH looking at that does that freak you out chocolate no no I'm okay with this as long as it's not anything chocolate flavor it has to be real chocolate it can't be anything it's such a weird thing but the thing is I was really sick when I was um a little girl I was like five or six years old I had a like I almost died I went to the hospital I had

32:34to get a spinal tap cuz all my veins had collapsed I was so yeah I got really really sick what what was it I had Rye Rye syndrome I don't know what that is I don't remember where exactly the details about it y like the bread I don't know look at that really quick it it's bad almost killed you chickenpox and then I had uh a form of hepatitis Hepatitis B that's what I had W all three at the same time cuz my immune system was down from the chicken box and then I caught that and then I caught Hepatitis B and um yeah so so my parents took me obviously to the hospital and um they couldn't they they had a phobia of needles for a while too they got an iv in me barely and um you know how like they're supposed to leave the IV in you and then like they changed the tubing well the stupid nurse pulled it out and all my veins were so collapsed they couldn't get a needle in anymore so they

33:22would come in I I was just passed out they would come in on the hour almost every do on the hour and I would wake up to like 10 or 15 people holding me down it felt like 10 or 15 I was five it was probably like three people but I just see lights and I'd see people holding me down and they'd be trying to stick needles in the top of my hand in the in my ankles in the tops of my feet behind my knees like and they just hold me down trying to get fluids in me cuz I couldn't keep anything down W and so finally it was so bad that um they told my mom to like call you know she's religious to call like her pastor and like have them come and like they were like Jes Christ yeah like she's going to you know so they brought me in to give me spinal tap oh my God it was the most painful thing I've ever experienced in my life cuz they take fluid out and epidurals like I hear really painful too

34:05but it's an injection as opposed to like removing the fluid which is more painful I don't know I remember feeling the most excruciating pain in my life and then passing out I was so weak anyways it was pretty terrible anyways back to the chocolate part of it before I went to the hospital I was running such a bad fever and I was throwing up and my mom thought you know let's give her ice cream and she had like some Neapolitan ice cream down stairs and she had it was like the really cheap kind we didn't I didn't grow up you know with a lot of money or anything like that we struggled so it was like the cheap fake strawberry the cheap vanilla and the really shitty cheap chocolate and I I had tried to eat some of this the um strawberry and the vanilla and I fell asleep and I woke up and I was really hungry and really thirsty and I went and then all the chocolate had melted so it was like a

34:51soupy bowl of warm ice cream and I took tried to take a bite of it cuz I just a little kid and I lost my sh puked everywhere and to this day it R it's ruined it for me like ruined anything chocolate flavored but I I can do like dark chocolate a real choc but as be quality so if somebody brings you like a soupy bowl of neopolitan ice cream right now you just yeah it's a it's yeah it's it has mentally me forever look at the the definition Jamie pull that back up again please look at the definition of Rise disease I mean it's look at this uh rare but serious condition that causes swelling in the liver and the bra yeah I had liver damage like they said it was permanent I don't know who most often affects children and teenagers recovering from a viral infection most commonly the flu or chickenpox that's amazing I didn't even know that I never looked up but I knew

35:40that I had some liver damage they actually told me too aspirin's been linked to this look at this use caution when giving aspirin to children and teenagers and that's exactly when that's that's why yeah that's why that happened cuz my mom told me she called she called the um hospital and asked them like my daughter has chicken box what should I what you know what should I give them give her whatever and they're like oh just give her aspirin you know give her some aspirin to help her with that and that's what caused that and then it was just bad it was really really bad it's so weird that it's connected to aspirin I wonder what the the fact I didn't even know that actually but I just know that like that I had that and I had liver damage they actually told me that I would probably never be able to excel as an athlete because of that because of your liver damage yeah because of the

36:21liver and like I don't know maybe that's why I'm like so maybe you should show up at theice maybe I should blame my like my my lack of uh of of paying attention to situations and knowledge of things I can never remember people's names maybe I would say I get punched in the head for living maybe it was that like brain damage and liver damage all those things can't be great but if anybody said that you would never make it as an athlete yeah like yeah yeah exactly the doctors were like yeah she's probably going to always have an you know an issue as an athlete to like to excel now have you ever got like a liver tox toxology examination or something like that no I never had seems like be a good idea to do mm you know my mom always told me she's like you should do visualization of your liver healing itself so I used to try to like Invision my liver like growing oh you had one of those moms

37:08yeah it was yeah she was she never told me visualize anything else but I remember that now this is bringing back memory she's like you should try to you know think about your liver being healthy I don't know if it helps I use visualization now a lot visualization absolutely is beneficial yeah I mean the mind has all sorts of weird properties that we don't totally understand that's why Placebo effects work we don't know why they work but it does work like it's statistically proven that if you have a positive attitude and you believe something can help you it can help you y but the problem with that is people use that as like an excuse for charlatans like psychics and palm readers and tarot card readers and and healers like healers are a big one there was a guy that was uh working with a bunch of UFC fighters back in the day that people would call like the witch doctor and

37:56this guy was like doing all these like these things do you remember George St Pierre um not not do you remember George ster obviously but you remember George St Pierre um they had this thing that they used to do with him when they would like rub his back and rub his sternum they had like but I never understood what it was like this Voodoo that this guy had talked these people into doing like a bunch of Fighters like even Randy cotor was going to this guy really yeah and the guy turned out to be a total ho I met him and I just s like right away because I'm so used to hoaxers I'm so used to being around artists and examining them as soon as he started talking about the meridians of the body and this and that I was like oh you're full of you're full of and you got deep in with these people you're you're rubbing on them and you're opening up their chakras oh for sure you are well like

38:43there's people that that do the funny like Chi videos I feel like it's it's like a cult almost sometimes there people they're like sh you know I can make someone flip over by just doing this or like whatever they do the weirdest things and the people that that they convince to like it takes two to do that obviously because it's not real right so the person doing it and the person getting the move or whatever done to have to you know that person has to agree to do it yeah and then it's always so funny to me when you see them get approached by someone who doesn't believe in that that at all and they're like up they're like okay do it to me and they're like okay and they really they really like think that it's going to work and the person's just standing there and they're like no it's not working they're like it's not working oh you know they think it's

39:24going to work they think it is going to work like even the artist thinks it's going to work you ever see the guy that was like trying to chop uh chop uh what was it those um not a pineapple I say pineapple but a coconut trying to chop with like his hand he was trying to set like a world record you guys should pull that video up it's chonut with his hand with his bare hand he's like a karate guy like Cho the boards I think he might have yeah I don't think break a coconut with your hand no and it was funny cuz he had like a news crew there and he had like 20 coconuts set out on like this this bar and and he starts just hacking at one hacking at one hacking at one yes and and it like well you watch the video it's hilarious I mean I'm like guy think that this would work he's one of these guys I'm telling you oh he's got a karate outfit on and look at there's a

40:10metal bar underneath that so watch when he misses oh no no no he misses but yeah oh fail he does Miss oh my God he hits the fail fail oh my God he hits the bar look his hands hurting oh yeah for sure he had to pull away that he doesn't want to do it again he doesn't want to but he's like I got to and he's like okay no she stepped in thank God why was he thinking that that would work wouldn't you practice that before you got on television you imagine thinking that you karate chop a coconut open how about just hit the earth and and and wake up people in China the is wrong with you that's what I'm saying though so yes the mind is a very powerful thing well there's a a gang of videos of these guys that are doing those Chi things on people and then their students fall to the ground and start twitching and and there's a great one with this this guy in Harlem

41:02had this uh like a kung fu school and he had all these students and he he's like doing all this like literally like Dragon Ball Z type on them like and they would follow the ground and start twitching and spasming and it's like really shitty acting but they are into it I think when you're in a cult like that and that's what a lot of those martial arts are they are cult I think almost all traditional martial arts have cult-like attributes which can be beneficial like the discipline and the desire to please your sense or your your sabam Nim or whatever you want to call them is like in intense and you know yes sir and they bow and all this stuff and they really believe that their instructor cannot do any harm there's like a lot of good in that because it makes you like have this really intense desire to succeed and this intense belief in yourself but it's not

41:55realistic obviously and a lot of traditional martial arts and until the UFC came around we didn't really know how unrealistic it was yeah but if you remember like Pat Smith when he fought that ninja guy in like UFC one or two I think it was UFC 2 I don't remember which one it was but he po fought some guy and this guy was doing these like in the you remember they used to have the the video of the guy training before the fight and the guy was like throwing all these techniques around and flipping people to the ground and grabbing their neck and Kate chopping the top of their head and they'd fall the ground oh the UFC has come along Long Way Long Way in a short amount of time right I mean think about like football from 93 and then football in 2016 it kind of looks like football right still the same yeah but the UFC 93 like look at it it's like it's chaos but Pat Smith was like a

42:44real fighter this is the guy look at it he just came charging at Pat Smith and tried to I don't know why he clinched I remember I just know his name and Pat Smith got on top of him and he just dropped elbows on him and smashed this poor dude's head open it was awful look those 12 to sixes were still allowed then 12 to six is the dumbest rule oh don't get me start po guy look at this and this is the best part about it Pat Smith walks off and the fight's not done because he he's a kind man for walking off because the referee is saying the fight's still going on are you serious yeah yeah because oh this poor guy yeah that guy got smashed but what's this guy's name again oh no it we don't even need to bring up this poor guy's name but he probably thought was big Jama kthy all lean and healthy looking he probably thought that it was real he probably thought that what he

43:32what he was doing was real and he didn't know until he got in there with a guy like Pat Smith that what he was doing was just some Malarkey some Maul strip Maul Malarkey there's a lot of that out there still to this day it's amazing yeah it kind of makes you wonder sometimes the world that we live in it's like well it's that same it's the mind like the belief in what you can do what you can't do like it can benefit you but it can also you up like it can benefit you if you're talking about your own health like if you really believe that something's healing you it can heal you but there's like physical limitations you know like if you believe that Melvin manof can kick you in the liver and nothing's going to happen guess what that's not true or think you can chop coconut with your hand that guy there so many of those people though so many of those weirdo

44:20one the first podcast I ever listened to of yours was a guy talking about a cult that he had been involved in can't I can't remember his name either but it was like was really fascinating he was talking about his story and how they basically took him in and you remember what I'm talking about oh yeah Steve Hassan yeah he's actually a um a cult is that how you say his last name HS h a SSN fascinating though and how they really warped his mind like they he really got into believing that his family was against him and like now that he's removed from it he's like I was totally mind manipulated yeah he's in the Mooney he was in the Moonies that's where that's what he joined up with yeah yeah that's a it's a weird story because that guy now Works to help people get out of Cults well he should go help some of these these he G people I know did you you I'm sure you've seen the one

45:07with the old uh Asian man who uh fights the young karate guy have you ever seen that one this guy they show him with his students and he's doing all this stuff and they go flying across the room and their body twitches and he decides to have an actual no rules fight with this young kushin guy and this kushin guy just him up grabs a hold of his shirt and beats his face in and high kicks him and it's so brutal cuz the man looks like he's like in his late 60s he looks pretty old yeah and not Stout and it's not like you know a healthy old 60 either he looks like he's got a little pot belly and this dude just beats the piss out of him and a guy like a beating like that from a young strong guy who was much bigger than him too the guy looked like much stronger than him like that's not something that old guy's going to recover from like he might be forever from this that's terrible

45:59but in his mind he thought that he was going to Kung Fu this dude do you believe it like have you ever researched much about hypnosis and how I've been hypnotized yeah yeah yeah Vinnie Shan did it well Vinnie shoran I don't know if you know who he is he uh works with a lot of Fighters he worked with Joe Schilling he's worked with a lot of uh MMA fighters and he does what he he calls himself a mind trainer and what he does is he can talk to you and put you in a state of mind it's a very weird thing like it's not what people think it is it's not like take off your pants Now suck my dick it's not like that like you're you're aware kind of but it's like an altered state of consciousness it's almost like he puts you in like it's like you're under a drug or something like that so so I I just recorded a podcast I just started my own podcast and what is it how do

46:50people find it Misha Tate the Misha Tate Show get the out of here what' you come up with that name I don't know man thought to think about one a lot how about the cupcake hour right the cupcake hour yeah um so I I sat down with Mark Savar who does a comedy hypnosis show been for like 10 years on the strip and absolutely fascinating when you think about the conscious mind and the subconscious mind and how the conscious mind really is kind of the tip just the tip of the iceberg but there's so much more beneath it your subconscious mind is we're talking about the power of mind and he says you kind of go in and out of hypnosis States all the time like when you're driving and you start daydreaming or you know you're sitting you just kind of space out you're not really looking at whatever you're looking at anymore you're in you're in a daydream yeah or at night you know that's kind of a state

47:33of an awake hypnosis and that you can kind of go in and out of those yourself you do all the time during the day but a hypnotist can kind of guide you into that and then plant certain good seeds you know I guess they bad seeds if they wanted to you know but I always thought of that too like a kooky guy was going to like make you do dumb while you don't know what you're doing but that kind of was fascinating to me cuz he talks about how he helps people who have like phobias for instance someone who has a phobia of a dog he's like so fear is like one dog this dog bit you when you were a child you're scared of that dog phobia is this dog bit you and you're scared of all dogs now some people are so terrified they get these phobias they can't even leave their house they're so scared of their their neighbor's dog walking by and that's going to jump out of anywhere and bite

48:16them so they're crippled by these fears and he can put them in a hypnotic State and kind of go back and and remove that fear essentially would that make sense I mean I I think that there's a as he said there's a bunch of layers to the mind but I think that one of the most fascinating aspects of it is when they do those comedy hypnotism shows those comedy hypnotism shows are 100% real yeah like I've seen them live like there was a guy named Frank Santos who's a big uh comedy hypnotist guy in Boston and his son still does it Frank Santos Jr but Frank Santos would do this show weekly show at stitches and all these comedians we would come from like all over the town to watch this because we couldn't believe we' be like how the is he doing this and he would get people and he would know when they were under and when they weren't under like he would know when people were Faking It

49:03when they weren't he would get them off the stage when they're faking it but the people that were really under you could see they just were were baffled and and he couldn't explain why it would work on some people and why it wouldn't work on others he didn't really know yeah I I asked Mark the same question because he he he'll invite as many people that want to volunteer out of the audience as you want so he'll get 30 plus people up there and he'll just pick people off as they AR aren't into it but he has people doing the craziest funny things out you know yeah and it's it's funny it's bizarre because you're like how are all these people in on this well they're not they really do like this the Frank Sandos used to have this person this is like in the 80s back when Madonna was hot like if you said you're going to have sex with Madonna now guys would go hey what the but back in the 80s

49:49she still looks good for her age for her age is that's the big part though for her age right she still looks great I mean no but everyone knows even if she looks great everyone knows that is like 60 like you like yeah I say with all due respect M like a bad yeah badass but um but you would watch him like he would talk someone into believing that they were having sex with Madonna and these guys would orgasm in their pants so like you would see them go like he would tell them and you know now you're going to come in your pants and you'd see the guy go H like when you're watching it you're watching you be like what in the is this real you almost want to go dude want to see inside your underwear let's see it yeah let's see if it really works I want to see if it worked it was let's see the proof in the pudding but Frank tried to explain it to us and he had

50:35worked with people where he would help people quit smoking and things along those lines but until Vinnie shoran did it to me I really I had no idea I was like so I still haven't been hypnotized but I think I'm going to try it well he's going to be in the United States I'll connect you guys together you would like it because he's used to working with Fighters and he's he's great about like setting a mindset I think Ian mcau worked with him too but he's great about um putting you in a in a certain state of mind and working on on various aspects of like maybe your performance or or your attitude what interested yeah it's interesting that's all about staying woke M stay woke he's trying Wok he's trying to woke you I want some wokeness you got to achieve wokeness it's super super important to achieve wokness yeah I mean um the mind is a a really fascinating thing and I think

51:18that especially for Fighters I would have to say that it's just one of the most important aspects of your ability to perform like physically is one thing but the ability to like you're inside the cage the pin goes into the gate are you ready are you ready let's get it on I mean that is the craziest moment in all of sports there's no moment like that where you I mean think about like a basketball player basketball players even if there's a lot of pressure for a three-point shot if you miss that three-point shot you're going to get another shot somewhere in the game someone's going to hand you the ball luckily or if not someone's going to hand you the ball tomorrow or someone will hand you the ball next week but if you say if you fight you know um well there's a huge difference between team sports and individual sports too you know I mean it's like when you lose

52:04sometimes it's not unless you're the kicker on a football team and like you literally cost them but it's still like a you know it's still a a team sport your te your team obviously didn't get you far enough to where you had to rely on that kick but you go inside the cage it is just you it's not just you it's just you involved in the most humbling dangerous extreme version of a contest between two human beings you can get outside of sword fighting you know outside of fighting to the death there's nothing as Extreme as a cage fight yeah when you guys why always say I have to laugh when people say like that we're scared to fight someone you know like people are like oh you're scared to fight Holly again like you can't listen to those people scared is not a relative like it's not a term that I feel like Fighters really we don't we don't have scared the way normal people have scared

52:52you know yeah like a normal person would be scared to to to get off their couch and go to the gym you know to to spa or something like that's what we do like we live like what most people would you know their pants to do on a different and you have to be a fool to not know that it's a dangerous fight so it's not a matter of not being aware of the danger yeah but it's a matter of managing the consequences or man like I think you did a fantastic job of the Holly fight like literally you did in that fight other than the fifth round which is the most amazing part of it but you did everything like we were talking about like what you have to do to beat her I'm like she's got to stay on the outside she's got to vary her Rhythm and she's got to let Holly come to her like she she can't rush in cuz you rush into Holly it's like rushing into Macha or rushing to anybody who's a great

53:38counter- Striker you saw the Ronda fight Ronda just came bulldogging at her and tried to out Bulldog her and you just you can't do that with Holly she's too fast to good footwork too her her striking is so precise her her counters are so clean and her movement's very hard to read like it's very unpredictable I remember a couple times I tried to maybe come forward and get her to get her the fence and I couldn't tell whether she was going to Jet out to the right or the left like she was like two steps back left and I was like you know I was like ah you know like I couldn't even tell like she had gave no indication of which way she was going to go yeah well you just did a f fantastic job of varying your approach too your speed was different like you you you did a lot of fainting you varied things up a lot and you could tell like she was like almost like waiting for these moments to

54:21happen when you're going to come forward and then you wouldn't come forward and then it becomes like a test of patience like who's going to get outside of their comfort zone who's going to take chances who's going to who's going to engage and she also has that weird stance too where she kind of halfway stands like a boxer and halfway stands like a karate person yeah she throws like a lot of side kicks a lot of front leg techniques yeah she she's she's a tricky one but we put together a really good game plan I was happy with that yeah you did I was happy with that but it was the fifth round the fifth round was crazy God when you grabbed a hold of her and then eventually got her back and got her to the ground it was so crazy because every aspect of from your initial entrance to the takedown to getting her back there was nothing 100% about it it was all touch and go it was all a scramble it

55:11wasn't like you had complete total control of her like maybe like Damen Maia versus Rick story like he Damen Maia gets Rick story's back he's got him locked up and then he anacondas them and squeezes them and then gets them it wasn't like that it was like you were fighting for your life and you knew there was no time there was no time you were likely down by like at least one round and you were headed into the fifth and final round and maybe if you won that round you could have got the decision but you're fighting the champ who knows who knows what's going to happen you take her back and then when she tries to shake you off the top and you hang in there and you hang in there and you see her you're like and I I watched I'm like oh my God she's going to go out and when she went out and you climbed off her and she was unconscious like holy holy what a moment

55:56was incredible it was incredible it was one of the best moments in all of women's championship fighting as far as like like an extreme extremely dramatic moment where like you're you're trying to accomplish something she's fighting tooth and Claw neither one of you are exhausted so it's not like anyone's like physically compromised it's just a mad scramble between two killers and you get her and you got her back and then you get her back and you sink the choke in and she's trying to shake you off and you hung in there and when you she rolled and you're on top of her and you you you hung on to it and you realize like oh my God she's going out and she just she didn't even tap she was throwing punches in the air while you were choking her unconscious I kept thinking to myself I'm like when is she going to tap it didn't in my in that instinctual moment I'm so used to in

56:45training you get people in a choke you know they tap so I'm waiting for that tap and I'm like good God like when is this girl going to tap like I know I've got her when is she going to you know tap and I and then then I felt her like and I saw her her you know from my peripherals kind of do do something I wasn't quite sure if she was tapping or what she was doing until I watched the video later and then I felt them pull me off and I'm like that's the feeling that we fight for is that feeling that that feeling of like I did it I established my dominance you know it's a it's a you know it's a prideful sport in some ways you know it's hand-to-hand combat with someone else it's like you know I I did it tonight I was better it has to be prideful because otherwise there's just certain sacrifices and certain fires that you're just not going to walk through like you have to have every

57:26motivation you have to be Zen but you also have to have an ego there has to be so many things going on for you to achieve that highest level of greatness it's like walking on a tight rope you know oh yeah people that are just like that perfect balance you know they're walking between buildings that are you know hundreds of stories high or you know and then it's like it's it's kind of like that I mean you have to have the perfect balance and everything has to meet perfectly in that moment including the training camp not overtraining did you ever hear that video that um the video is not good but the audio is is awesome it's between the fourth and fifth round and it's my Corners what they're telling me between the fourth and fifth round it's such an emotional video for me when I watched it it makes me relive that moment and Brian came in there and essentially he was

58:10like Misha you've got to get after you got to you have got to put your chin down and Mike Tyson this chick and that basically means just get after her like get get in there get after it take the risk risk getting knocked out go For Broke and um it goes you know plays into the round and and basically basically was just telling me Mike Tyson her like get after her you know Bulldog do whatever you've got to do he's like cuz you're running out of time and I remember in that fifth round still trying to get out of that that mindset of like I have to find the perfect opportunity I have to be patient because the whole training camp was you know patient but persistent you know patient but persistent don't run into anything because you you know you get caught you get knocked out you'll get need you'll get kicked you'll get punched so don't do that but you got to look for the the

58:54opening when it's the right timing it's all about timing and after I took her down in that second round and I just beat her up that round she was so um so cautious in the third and fourth and so perfect you know her game plan was perfect too to beat me to stay just far enough out of the range and keep me from not wanting to come in I couldn't find an a perfect opening I couldn't like get in on anything there wasn't mistakes that she was making and in the fifth round I just decided you know you're going to have to you're going to have to take the chance of getting knocked out this is this is what it's boiling down to now you've got like 3 minutes left on the clock and now it's do or die it's either you go in there you you go for it you do rush in she catches you you get knocked out you know you gave it everything you got or you got to make something happen you got

59:40to finish the fight the question was really like whether the second round was a 108 round uh on all three judges scorecards it was yeah I was watching it that's what the judge said yeah well it should have been but but what what I meant was the question watching it was like I want like when we were when you were headed into the fifth round what my question was was I wonder if she got a 108 round for that second round cuz if she did then this is like a this is an even fight so what's happening right now like where how the judg is looking at it or technically going into the fifth round it was even yeah yeah it was tied that's crazy that was such a crazy moment that was another timeing the post fight interview where I almost cried like a I get so emotional yeah it was it was incredible well it's so em I mean it's hard to explain to someone when you're there and you you um you get to

60:29see someone like you who's worked so hard for something for so long you know so when I said to you like how does that sound like what does it sound like that you're the new women's bantamweight champion of the world like what does that sound and you were just so overwhelmed it was so crazy like just to be right next to you while you were saying that and you said when you said I've been waiting for you to say that for so long it it was it was a crazy moment it's crazy yeah cuz I you know what was what's crazy you talk about the mind and the power of it I I had visualized that moment so many times that I felt like I was confused in that it was hard for me to distinguish that that was the real moment I would God I would imagine it was so intense it was so weird you know so surreal I would imagine to this day it probably seems fake yeah it's really weird does it yeah

61:16sometimes I have to go back and be like man that really did it really happened it really happened right there oh I was pumped Jay think yeah I was so excited if you had like if auras were real you know like if you had Chi it was coming off your body for sure would blown back the whole the whole stadium everyone would have fallen over and been shaking papers flying cups flying through the air and you know the carpet would rip goodness gracious that was the best one of the best moments of my life for sure I could only imagine I could only imag I mean anyone that watches that sport that moment when you choked her out and in the whole exchange of the even like the really the whole fight because a fight is like I mean in a weird way I mean we call this martial arts and there's a lot of people that have a problem with that but in my mind that there is an art to what you guys

62:11did in that fight and even what Holly did because up until that fifth round I mean like you said especially the the third and fourth she was doing what she wanted to do she was she was and there was a display going on there was like a there was a performance going on on top of this being a competition to watch it as someone sitting there watching it and calling it I mean this is a work of art and to have it in that way was is such a masterful performance was such a masterpiece moment and it to me is like one of the best moments in MMA because it's such a hard thing to achieve to become a champion and for someone like you had tried and tried again you won the title in Strike Force you're trying and trying again you're trying to make this happen and you know you think you're getting boxed out and then the Rhonda fight didn't happen after you beat Jessica I and then all of

63:01a sudden you have this opportunity and it comes to together in one of the most powerful ways we've ever seen inside the Octagon it was amazing well thank you that was a that was quite a great narration of of everything that's had to happen to to make this come true you know and it it's uh it's crazy because um it was 10 the same month 10 years to the like to the month um that I had had my first fight wow it's been 10 years yeah so it's crazy because you think 10 years ago there wasn't even I mean women's MMA was a joke like it was I mean no to me it wasn't obviously but to to most people it was a spectacle at best something that kind of threw on the card as kind of like ahha you know watch the chicks fight you know right hopefully hope a pop out you know that's so true it's so true though so true cuz they didn't respect us as you know that's that's what we that's

63:58that's the that's the honest truth that's the uphill battle that it was like nobody took it seriously we didn't make any money we were fighting for breadcrumbs at best and what kept you going during those times passion as cliche as it sounds um just the desire to to want to be fulfilled and I felt like that was the most fulfilling thing in my life it wasn't College it wasn't it wasn't there was nothing else that was as fulfilling as that but what is it about fighting that attracted you to it when there wasn't any clear future because you you were in it at a time I didn't think about the future too much early on no I didn't think about it as something that was this needs to be lucrative for me this needs to be you know coming to something it was I was probably three years into my career before I even thought that I could maybe like actually possibly make a living at this so it was just

64:55something that I was doing to feel alive wow yeah it was just something that I was doing to to make me feel accomplished to you can't put a price on how something makes you feel you know a memory uh an experience um happiness you know those emotions you people say you know like the day that they got married the day that they had their kid the day you know those are like mile markers in people's lives like I guess if you ask someone on their deathbed what were the moments that made you feel alive like what did your life amount to what you know what was that Mo those key markers in your life and all of my fights have been markers in my life that's more than most people can say you know so I guess it was such a sense of of uh fulfillment and the fact that it was so hard it was so it was so hard and so many people were so against me I think that made me really determined too

65:43because a lot of people my grandpa my dad my grandpa was really he was really chauvinistic to be quite honest he was not he was embarrassed that his granddaughter was a fighter and he would give my dad a hard time all the time like why you let your daughter do that he's like I don't let her do anything she's she's her own person I'm not proud of it but is he still around my grandpa he's not but he um had a big change of heart when I when I actually lost my title to when I won my my title against marles coonan you know he really became obviously big fan you know he's like I'm very proud of you I'm talk to my neighbors about you he's like I was wrong and I lost my fight to Rhonda right be right when he got diagnosed with cancer and um that's eventually what passed away um so I went straight from that fight down to see him to see how he was doing and and my dad was down

66:39there visiting he lives in Florida so very very far away and I told him I was like grandpa I was like I'm really sorry that I didn't win this you know when it makes me emotional I like I'm sorry I didn't win this fight for you and he's like it doesn't matter you know and I think that's the last fight that he ever saw unfortunately but you know he's like hey you had a lot of heart and I'm so proud of you so wow yeah were you attracted to Other Extreme Sports when you were younger no because I wasn't raised that way I wasn't raised with like extreme sports like um yeah my dad still saw me as he didn't like segregate me I wouldn't say but he he saw me as a you know as a little girl like he didn't take me four-wheeling or um you know riding dirt bikes or anything like that he took me downhill not not downhill mountain biking but it kind of turned into that we like rode

67:29for miles out to a lake with my with my little brother and a friend of his and then um I remember I was like riding back and there was like big rocks and like Boulders and and my dad and his buddy have have had downhill mountain bikes made for I'm riding like little street bikes but they're they're expecting that I'm just going to be able to like I'll just carry down the hill or whatever I try to bomb down the same Rock Hill as them I eat like bad eat I still have scars on my elbow actually here from from when I uh when I fell and I just got up and my dad says this is like one of the moments I realized you were different he's like you just popped up and you're like brushed your elbows off you got back on your bike bombed down the rest of the hill and beat all of us home he's like you were just crazy he's like I never saw anything like that I thought you were I thought we were going

68:15to have to like you know call call medical help and I thought cuz he's like you ate it hard and it was like so it was just something that was just in you I guess just deal I don't know know my mom always told me and this is something I realized when I was talking to Mark hypnosis he was telling me about how much children can be affected by people who are negative in their life people who can you know you're never going to amount to anything and how that can affect the subconscious mind you know having a dad who's like you suck you're terrible you're never going to be you know you're never going to be anything how that can create crippling Ripple effects that that translate on all the way through the rest of that person's life and I said well what if it's the opposite like what if you had a parent that was telling you that you're amazing all the time that you could do whatever

68:58you want and they really true-hearted believe in you he's like oh yeah that can that could be amazing you know amazing too and it made me start thinking because my mom and I we've had a really rough relationship the past three four years or so maybe maybe longer it's been a struggle it's getting better but I will give her a ton of credit that as as a single mom for part of my life growing up and um even not you know single she she never never made me feel like I wasn't capable of doing anything if I if if anything she always made me feel like I could be and do whatever I want and I could be the best at it like most people when I would I was five six seven eight years old and I want to be an astronaut like every little kid they're like yeah yeah you know oh that's you know or my grandpa was the first one to be like that's not realistic you're not going to be you

69:47know not going to be my mom was like no you will she's like you will like if that's what you want to do that you will it's like she's like Misha whatever you want to do you will be the best at it well I think it's probably good to have both it's probably good to have someone who wholeheartedly believes in you and someone else who's like doubting you you get sort of like a a little motivation to prove them wrong prove the other person right because I I feed off of that I love proving people wrong love it you're a very even tempered person which is very unusual for a fighter you're very feminine but you're also very flat I'm very relaxed yes you're very like this is Misha like this is how you are like it was really on when you were on the ultimate fighter with Rhonda it was one it was highlighted the most because she's so manic she gets so hot and it's

70:35one of the reasons why people love her so much is she gets so crazy and she's so competitive and angry that like when you guys did that wall climbing thing and that she's like you and she's giving me the finger like you're just like you just you're level brush it off but how is that what what did what was that your whole life you were like that or is that something you I've been pretty easy going my whole life um the thing is I don't like to be stressed out and I don't like to be pissed off and I don't like to not be happy so I do everything within my power to not be stressed out like I could be about to miss a flight or have something and I'm like well what can I do now you know I'm just like right and it sometimes it's a bad thing because I don't plan ahead enough or I'm not really good with time management because I don't want to be I don't ever want to rush so even if I'm

71:21late to something I don't like to rush I don't and it's just sometimes not a bad thing I'm not the most organized person cuz I'm so relaxed about everything that I'm like my taxes I'll do those later you know like that kind of thing that's sounds like a great recipe for life though I mean no one Nails it on both ends no one does but this way seems good yeah you know I I I save save uh all my tension and stuff I guess for when I get inside the cage but I like to be relaxed I just like to be chill I don't like to be pissed off I don't like to be stressed out like what a miserable life yeah like you know some people are just angry all the time I'm like like they're like Perma Scrooge you know just all the time angry I'm like do you not even realize how bad your life must suck like what if if you just like looked at things differently you'd have a way better life I'm like I never want to be

72:07that person I remember Mike Tyson when he was in his prime and they asked him about something and uh he was talking about being angry he's like I'm angry all the time I'm angry at my dog I'm angry at everybody I'm angry at the mailman just get the out of my way like when he was in his prime he was just a ball of Fury yeah you know he was just this wrecking machine which is like a lot of people associate that with being a championship level fighter like almost you have to have a certain level of discontent you have to have a certain level of anger to motivate you but with you I think if you could look at like a person's graph like a sound graph of how they speak like their whole life mine would be all over the place be like up and down and be all crazy and but yours I feel like it be like this like flat up and little tiny ups and downs like very minor ripples like you

72:56know like a little bit of Like A Flat Lake where the the water comes in a little bit but it's nothing crazy there's no tidal waves no no chaos no tsunamis yeah but you're just flat and steady I try to be not always I'm still woman so unusual for a fighter thanks like this flat level sort of way and I say flat and almost sounds like a a pejorative but I don't mean it that way I mean like uh it's almost like a Zen like you have a very Zen thing going on yeah and that's you know I used to have issues with anxiety a little bit when I was in high school and I would like have my track meets and something and I would have anxiety attacks I actually used to have a problem with it and I guess I've always been a very open-minded person and I always ask myself questions whenever there's something wrong with myself or you know an issue that I'm having I ask myself

73:46why am I having that you know and then and it comes full circle and I I was able to answer those questions and then I've never suffered from anxiety since I so I kind of put myself in a Zen State of Mind early on in my career because I hated it so much like I don't want to live having anxiety issues like why do I have that why why what am I afraid of you know it's like well I'm not I'm not afraid enough to where I'm not going to do it so let's just not make it a big not make it something I don't like obviously I do like it that's why I'm doing track obviously I like MMA that's why I'm doing it I don't want to make it something I hate I don't want to make it something I don't enjoy because it's not so rational that's not why I do this I do this because I love it so let's not make it something I I hate ever I try not to that's a very rational approach

74:28though it's very unusual for people yeah like there there's nothing in this life like if I want to do it that fear is going to stop me fear is a realistic thing it happens yeah it's scary to get into the cage it's scary to think about losing you know and I've tasted the most bitter losses you could ever dream of and it's devastating it's crushing that's the most scary thing it's not getting beat up it's not breaking your nose or breaking my orbital bone or letting my arm get snapped in half that's not the scary part about fighting and what I do the scary part is not being adequate enough not being good enough that your 100% wasn't good enough that's scary that's really scary and um I've had that I've had to face that point blank right in the face many times before and it's the hardest thing to do Bar None it's the hardest thing to look at yourself and be like I didn't I

75:18wasn't enough I wasn't enough no one else could be responsible for that I up I didn't do it I have to own this and to come back from something like that and think that you can still you can still get it back or you can still do it again or you can still get better you can learn from that that's that's also the challenging part of it you know and that's something that I've I've had to to get to this point I've had to get over those situations where I thought that my world had ended you know my second loss to Rhonda was the most devastating the first loss was devastating the second loss was H like it was horrible I thought my world was was coming to an end you know and nobody cared well my family and friends but the rest of the world they don't care don't give a they don't care about second place they don't care you know and um they're mean people are harsh they're mean on social media you

76:06have to get thick skinned quick nobody teaches you how to deal with that either there's no MMA social media 101 or like you don't you just sink or swim you figure it out or you don't either it bothers you or it doesn't you know either you yell back at everyone or you don't you know like well you're in the first generation that's ever had to deal with that there's never been anybody in the last 10 years this is a new occurrence yeah they don't teach you how to how to deal with it or how to not let it affect you emotionally no one knows no one knows I mean this is a total New Field learning experience abut especially for someone who does what you do which is the most exposed an athlete ever gets ever like if you lose a tennis match and the world says hey you suck at tennis you're like oh whatever yeah you know you can move on with your life but if you're like you know

76:50Ronda beat you again you dumb hoe you're like oh my God I can't believe this why are people so goddamn mean yeah yeah and it's fighting it's like the most primal thing so everyone what other sport Sports always boil down to when they don't like another person is fighting that's like the most Primal way to deal with something so once your sport is fighting then people like feel like they have more justification to talk even though they're just like I have to laugh because J Jones and Daniel Cormier when we were in New York um they opened up the questions to the audience I big mistake because these little pipsqueaks they got on the microphone are like um so Daniel Cormier I just want to say I have a really important question for you how's it going to feel when Jon Jones kicks your ass again you know and I'm just like you idiot like if you were you wouldn't have

77:41the balls to say that if it was just you and Daniel in this room and no one was going to know the outcome of what happened after you said that well the fact that people feel so safe that they could say something like that to a killer like Daniel Cormier right and then they did the same thing to Jon Jones did you ever see what they did to Rashad Evans Rashad Evans was at a photo signing and this guy comes up to him with a picture of you know there's an iconic photo of when leoto knocked him out where he's like kind of crumpled up against the cage and this kid this this little skinny kid with a smile on his face wanted Rashad to sign that and Rashad crumpled it up and threw it at him and looked at him like are you out of your mind like do you know what I could do to you right now like you trying to hurt my feelings you're trying to make me feel bad you're

78:23trying to punk me in front of all these people why you have a camera on me cuz you're filming it like your friends are filming this reaction do you sticking I mean just this callousness and also just being oblivious like oblivious to like why would you want to do that why would you want to say that to JN Jones why I don't get it these dummies grow up watching pro wrestling and they they don't understand that this is real like they you like you saying how's feel how's it going to feel to get your ass kicked again what who who said that like they were expecting like some fake thing it's like you just get oblivious to the idea that you're hurting someone's feelings for no reason and you can also get caught up in it emotionally like you know people get caught up like I watched Conor McGregor's uh social media after Nate Diaz beat him and holy I was I was saying to my friends

79:14I'm like I hope he stays offline for a few days yeah just don't go anywhere near a computer for like a solid week oh yeah cuz it's just the the the of the world just the deluge and they wait for it oh they love it people hate their own lives is is the thing is that nobody wins in our sport forever like so you're always you're going to have to face that at some point you know it's one of the most exciting things about it is that it's so volatile like the Chris widman Luke rockold fight to me is like a perfect example that I often I I see Chris widman training I watch videos of him training I'm like what is going on in his mind right now because widman was so dominant and even in that fight incredibly competitive and he throws one kick one crazy wheel kick one ill-advised wheel kick rockold takes him down and smashes him and I I just I wonder like how much does that kick

80:05haunt him how much does that fight haunt him like how much what what is going on in his mind where here's a guy who destroys Anderson Silva beats the out of leoo Macha vtor bord smashes him in the first round you know you watch his fights and you just go okay like what is this rockold fight going to play off like and then when rockold beats him and beats him down the way he did and destroys him like you go oh we Changing of the Guard here like these moments these pivotal moments of like your whole life changes you go from being Chris weyman UFC middleweight champion of the world one of the best fighters on the planet to Chris Wiman former UFC middleweight champion of the world now hoping he gets a shot at his title in a rematch and now that he's got it and it's going to happen soon it's like whoa that the the drama and the buildup like I can't imagine being being him right

80:55now like the tension that he's under right now and the the pressure and what how much emotional connection he has towards this attempt to win his title back and how intense it's going to be once they get in there yeah and they're really starting to not like each other the last time I was here for Fox I think it was about a month or so ago they were um they were there and there was some tension of course they were in studio and you could tell Chris was just H he was not he was you know he's pissed he's not happy with the situ a and Luke rockhold's kind of like you know he's happy he's got the belt you he's kind of boasting it around a little bit and he's kind of ribbing Chris you could tell like trying to get under his skin a little bit and Chris is like you could just tell he like upset well they were kind of friendly before that which is weird yeah you know they were friendly

81:41before that like for a long time like there's photos of the two of them together smiling and not anymore yeah well when a guy beats you down like that like and you lose your title the way Weidman did yeah but Rock holds fu good he's good I saw Holly um once since since the fight and I was really actually kind of nervous about it because I was like she was um at the Jones OSP fight that just happened and um we were both at the VIP party and my friend Heather Clark used to train Heather Joe Clark she's actually fighting this weekend in Rotterdam anyways she was like you should go and talk to her I was like yeah I want to I just I don't want to come on like how what do I say what's up yeah like what what do you say to someone that you just you you took their title hug say hi I don't know that's what I did you know I just went up and was like you know how are you and she

82:30like she gave me hug she's like you know I'm just really bummed I didn't get that rematch I'm like I know I was like don't worry I was like we'll we'll see each other in the future she's like yeah she's like I hope so she's like I hope you still have it she's like you know I want to I want to uh see you again in the future I'm like yeah I totally get it I've been in her shoes before I know how bad that sucks and she wants that back but you know we were friendly but it's amazing how both of you are so nice like Holly is one of the nicest people so nice she's such a sweetheart ridiculously nice like if you didn't know she was a fighter you'd be like no way and then you find out she's a 19 time World Boxing Champion be like what the are you talking about how's that possible how's that nice lady a killer yeah some Tom Foolery yeah doesn't make doesn't make any sense like

83:10she doesn't fit the mold either like both of you guys are really interesting representatives of of MMA and great Representatives because you break that mold I'm not a fan of her manager though oh yeah who yeah well I don't know I don't even know if I've ever met him in person I probably haven't maybe I have if I did it wasn't memorable anyways um I guess he went like Dana went down so Dana Dana told me this Dana went down to Albuquerque before this fight ever came together of her and I right and he said look you guys need to wait for Rhonda trust me that's the big money fight that's the fight you want to wait for he went down there he told me this in my face he went down there to tell them don't fight Misha Tate like they didn't want to give me the UFC did not want that fight to happen they wanted you know the the rematch to be the first fight and Holly's manager told him we

83:58want Mesa T and Dana said he threw up his hands was like are you kidding me he's like she's been the baddest you know other than Rhonda for years now and you want to take her lightly you think you're just going to walk through he's like yeah we got this like she's going to be a tuneup fight who's her manager I don't even know his name okay I don't know he's a idiot but he told Dana that that they that they thought that I was going to be a tuneup fight well people get crazy you know people get crazy look look R's people go crazy too everybody gets crazy people get crazy like why did Rhonda charge after why why did she try to stand with with Holly like that and charge after her but that's not the right attempt right like you know what she did to Paige what so Paige was also at that VIP party and Paige and I have spoke were friendly don't know her that well but anyway she

84:45felt the need she came up to me she's like meisha meisha she's like I have to tell you this experience I had with Rhonda and I'm like oh what and she's like well we were at a rebok deal just you know recently and and um she she's like we were at a shoot and she's like I was trying to find her so we could get a picture and the rebok people were like don't ask Ronda for a picture and she's like why she's they're like just don't do just stay away from Rhonda don't ask her for a picture she's like okay and I guess Rhonda came later that day and like seek her out and just like cussed her out like they've never really had a conversation either she's like I don't know Rhonda like you know other than High by that's it like I guess she came up Ronda came up and was like you you fair weather how dare you cross me blah she's like cross you what are you talking about and she's like you

85:31congratulated Holly Holm for beating me so you you fair weather 115 pound like we just like went off on page and Paige gam told me and I was like honey welcome to my world she's like oh my God she's like I'm glad that I saw this side of her so I know you know I'm like well and she's like you know cuz I didn't understand she's like I told Ronda like I'm sorry if that offended you but you're I'm allowed to congratulate whoever I want and um she's like because you know I congratulated Rose nunas when she beat me I was like you know congratulations you whoop my ass that was a badass performance and she's like you know I just simply told Holly congratulations once and like wasn't anything you know anti Rhonda but Rhonda gets just ripped her new one wow like you have to be on team Rhonda for Life yeah I guess I've never been on Team Ronda so I'm good all or none

86:24well that's crazy I people love both ways it's interesting like people love your way but people also love like talking you know people love Nate Diaz for that people love they love the drama but they also love someone like you who can walk up to Holly and hug her yeah yeah I'm somewhere in the middle though because I get a lot of flak for you know my mouth like I just can't I say what I'm thinking and I'm I'm pretty transparent and sometimes people think that you know I get a lot of FL oh you're fake or this and that I'm like not really like just because you know I'm like I'll say this like I'm a fan of Connor I am I like his fighting style and I you know his Antics at first were kind of like wait who is this guy what is he you know and then I'm like man props to him he's done amazing things like good for him and he's done really good things for our sport but when you

87:10didn't show up to film that commercial like I'm not you know I'll be honest like yeah kind of rub me the wrong way because um people are like oh he does so much more media than you guys do yeah he probably does you know he probably does I do a lot he probably does more I agree but I don't have a private jet flying out to pick me up and bring me back and fly 20 people of my crew with me too he does more so he gets more when they bring him to Vegas they put him up in a penthouse you know they make sure he has everything that he needs I don't get that you know that's fine you know he's earned that he's in that spot no problem with that but I think three months out from a fight Camp you know you have a private jet coming to pick you up with you can bring 20 of your teammates you could probably work out on the jet if you want to on the way there cuz it's

87:50yours it's private do whatever you want wellow you could probably hit Ms on the jet yeah you could totally you know and you're 3 months out and you don't want to show for your media obligations like I don't really understand that I don't like it just I don't know I guess I'm trying to figure it out but the only issue that I had and it it doesn't bother me like if he didn't want to do it that's his own thing the thing is is that I showed up the day to film the commercial and I had two segments I was supposed to film and that's all that was on my schedule and then they asked me like they were like can you please help us out because Connor's not here and uh we don't know what we're doing for this third segment of the commercial that was supposed to be Connor and Nate so can you please come back later that day and film that segment and was like that was

88:33during my practice time so I had to come back and you know I did it I was a company woman but like it was just frustrating because it's was like dang you know if I had known about this I could have planned my training otherwise but now I kind of have to like scramble to get my second workout in and it affected me so yeah his decision did and it probably is actually you know I haven't made any more money in this sport yet because of Conor a lot of people like like oh you must have got a bigger payday cuz that last like no cuz I wasn't the champion so I didn't get any more of like didn't get any pay-per-views I didn't get any more money and now he's like not on this fight cards I'm like you know but it's whatever you know it's it's Connor's deal and uh I I don't hate Connor but I'm gonna say how I feel you know and I would say it if he was sitting here too like dude why did you do that you

89:16probably well I I feel like there's a bunch of issues here and we and the only way to really get a firm understanding of it is to sit down with everyone involved and say what was communicated your manager did he know what the what the appearance schedule was going to be like did you guys agree to this did you understand what you were getting into when you're F maybe it's a misunderstanding you know who knows it's hard to say but it's the way he went about it was ridiculous like saying I'm retired thanks for the cheese and then saying I'm not retired and then saying uh I'm glad the UFC decided to give the fans what they want and be on I'm going to be on UFC 200 every's like what and so like what he's doing is he's kind of like using the the media yeah to try to get this thing to pass through but he doesn't understand Dana and Lorenzo and Frank like that's never going to work

90:07like you're you are either in or you're not in right like and they're like real clear about that they have to set a precedent so like if you say you I'm not doing media they're going to go well okay you you're not fighting yeah but hold on I'm Conor McGregor we're the UFC this is what is they've made many stars they'll make many more in the future and we might lose millions of dollars cuz you're not on UFC 200 yeah well Dana said that he he he had put they put 10 million into promoting this already 10 million he's like we're way over budget you know so that's why he like You' got to show up and do you know that's how Connor was made yes is through that stuff so now like at what point do you get to decide that you don't have to do that anymore like if that's what made you who you are like I mean don't you kind of have to like does that make sense what I'm saying here it

90:53makes sense at what point do you get to decide like when you don't have to like like I used the machine and now like I don't I just want to hop off now that I'm here you know I don't know don't you kind of have to keep it the same it was I think so but there there is also like a fine line right like you can do too much like when I was watching the Jose Aldo media tour when they were going all around the world I'm like okay I understand that you want to promote this fight but how much of this is helping the actual fight itself and how much of it is just Conor McGregor constantly talking at press conferences and grabbing the belt and all that I mean that's really kind of far from the fight was that I don't know they they did a lot of it but apparently Connor was sick like he was like I'm just constantly fighting off with cold really hard to get in shape really hard

91:39to train because every week you know you're traveling from here to there and there to here it's just you're constantly getting beaten down and you know what it's like if like if you have to have you ever flown to Brazil and fought no I've flen their four fight cards though what is the um the furthest you've ever had a fly to fight Japan Japan so that's an interesting one cuz that's a long flight it's like 16 hours right yeah what is it like like like adjusting and then competing um I try to start adjusting my schedule at home like blacking out my windows a little bit or you know like to to make the time frame but you never get fully adjusted but my mind frame is like when when push comes to shove when fight time comes whether it's 2 in the morning my time or not like I'm going to be game so I just look at it that way but it's not fun like I remember three weeks out from my fight

92:25with Ren nikai which I didn't even want to I didn't want to do that fight because she was so unknown she was undefeated I'm going over there to like fight on a newly blooming Fight Pass I was like this is is like feels like it does nothing for me and like and if she wins it springboards her you know then she'll be 17 and0 she'll have a judo background they're going to want to make that fight for for her and Rhonda I know that's what they're trying to do so they're trying to use you know business use me as that springboard I was like I don't really want to do but I did it but 3 weeks before the fight they had me fly to Japan to do some promotional stuff and I was flying longer than I was even on the ground and they said like ticket sales went up and everything was really good but yeah that was exhausting so I do I understand three weeks before yeah that's hard you're peing right you're

93:09ramping it up three weeks in super hard and after my fight with h Holly like I got to spend a little time in Australia and then I went straight from Australia to New York spent a day there did a full day of media went to um Connecticut to ESPN did a full day of media went to Toronto did a full day meeting and it's just like it's nonstop from like you start your first interview at 8:00 in the morning so you pick up at like 7 and you go until 7 at night and even while you're driving to the next place they'll have you on the phone with with the with the with a you know with the radio interview you know I mean there's no break it's all it's it's pretty intense it's pretty crazy it's pretty exhausting so I I get it I I have been in those you know the shoes before but um you know it's I don't know maybe there's more extend maybe he was hurt or something maybe he didn't want people to

93:57see like maybe I don't know like what if there's even something like that like what if he had like hurt himself or something and he didn't want like Nate to know or yeah who knows I don't know who knows and it's also he also had to realized there was a lot of work that needed to be done to beat Nate yeah like he hit Nate with some of his best shots and Nate was fine with it and it was a real problem I think that's more what it was is that he was just obsessed with beating Nate and I I get that too I don't take that away from him for a minute like he wanted to stay home and or he was in Iceland I guess training and he wants to train to be Nate I get it totally get it yeah I get it too it seems like the only way also I felt like but then again he could have brought his whole gym with him you know sure well he could have tried I mean it was going to be a difficult time just trying to find

94:43uh the the moments to train and to stay in shape and then obviously being exhausted from flying and all that I it was a quick turnaround too you know like as far as like I don't think he was supposed to be there more than like two days I honestly think he's better off not doing it I honestly think he's better off like sequestering himself for a few months like really focusing on what went wrong how to correct it I agree and can you correct it I mean do you like when it comes to the ground game what I saw on the ground I was like boy this is a long road like you've got a long road to beat a guy like Nate yeah he's so much further along in in in ground and pound Jiu-Jitsu positioning everything thing when I was watching Nate beat him up on the ground and then choke him I was like w that happened quick like this is not like uh like widman and rockold was a prolonged

95:33beating before rockold eventually stopped him the next round but with why with uh Nate and Connor wasn't that prolonged it happened pretty quickly yeah and when you see that you go ooh like this is going to be this is a lot to overcome it's not unsurmountable it takes a lot of time to build that those skill sets they don't just they don't come over you don't you can pick up your cardio pretty quick you can do a lot of things you can't you can't build a skill set any faster than it's going to go into your muscle memory and and be reper you've got to put thousands of reps in and there's no way around it yeah there's no way there's no way to fast forward through that there's no way to cut the corner there's no there's nothing you can't just repetition repetition repetition what also it highlights all the various eccentric aspects of your training that people are

96:19like hm is this what makes Connor great and you know and then you know Nate calling it touch butt in the park like they doing all these cartwheels and stuff and then that video was so funny hilarious oh my God I was dying laugh hilarious so when this all you know he's doing all these this work with this movement guy but then you see what happens when it actually comes to fighting skills and you go ooh maybe this is not the way to do it like because like I've talked to a lot of people that were like this stuff that he's doing is utter like this doing cartwheels and being obsessed with movement here's the movements you need to be worried about okay moving your feet throwing kicks and punches take down defense and Jiu-Jitsu on the ground that's it yeah you know understanding takedowns yourself taking people down if you must trips sweeps all that stuff but

97:10all this cartwheels and what what this guy was explaining to me and I don't want to name any names he's a prominent guy he was like you have to understand that there's a limited amount of energy you have in your time training and you you are not perfect at all these other aspects of MMA so if you are not perfect at all these other aspects of MMA you have to say Okay how much yeah how much of this stuff is going to help me well a guy like George St Pierre he looked at gymnastics and he was like you know what it's going to help me if I can be stronger physically and there's no better way I think like as far as like manipulating your body than gymnastics like doing the Rings and developing proprioception you're learning how to manipulate your body in all kinds of contorted positions constant algorithms and math equations essentially when you're fighting too you

98:05know weight distribution where are we at especially when you tie up with someone else and you have to feel their weight and you have to manipulate it in a way to get it where you want whether it's against the cage or whether it's on the ground your body is using a equation yeah you know your mind is equating how much force do I need to make this happen how little Force like what if I go the opposite direction because they're pushing into me there's all these different things that you have to over there's no other way to do it than than a trial and error processing over and over and over and over again yeah and you look at someone who's like really good at one aspect of MMA like yel Romero who's just a ridiculous wrestler and you go okay like how much touch butt in the park is that guy doing you know how many how many cartwheels is he doing is he tumbling is he roll he does 100

98:52double legs a day oh yeah at least at at least yeah well he's doing all kinds of 100 single legs and then 100 body locks and you know but until Connor lost everybody's like this is what we need we need a movement coach I need a movement coach you know and it still might I mean as we said with George St Pierre it has massive benefits to get that kind of coordination physical strength what I do like about Connor though is like um his balance is impecable and that could be part of that and like he's never over himself at least with the Striking part of it you know the ground is aely but when he's in Striking range and it's just his body his hand coordination is incredible and his balance like he's never too far over a punch he's never too far back he's always centered he's always centered he throws a kick he never gets you know you see people kick and they

99:41miss and they kind of like stumble like their weight's off balance or or they kick and even land and even when they put their foot down it's kind of like it's not a good Landing you know like I'm not like the world's best kicker but when I watch Connor do it it's like he kicks or push kicks and sticks he is like a like a a gymnast in the sense you know they they do those flip and then they want to just boom stick it like and he's MH really really good at that well in that sense maybe that's where the movement does benefit him I think so he never is over himself in his weight distribution isn't it the case that whenever someone loses though everyone always second guesses what they were doing even if what they were doing was getting them to be like 16-0 totally undefeated world champion when you make a mistake or something goes wrong or something goes right for your opponent

100:25we should probably say immediately people start questioning everything you did yeah definitely all the time I mean it happened with me when you know when I lost to to Ron like oh you got to change this you got to change everything but as long as you're winning people like yeah keep doing what you're doing it's working then you lose they like change everything it's like geez that was quick well that's also the Ronda criticism in the Holly home fight everybody was like looking at her like dominating B COA would stand up you know um beating Sarah McMahon the way she did Alexis Davis beating her down the way she did and go well look Ronda obviously is getting so good at striking she's such an elite athlete that she can do what she's doing to anybody and then her trainer saying that she could go box women professionals and knock them out and so you get this thing in your head that you

101:12can do what you have been doing yeah and then you fight someone like Holly and you go oh well okay yeah there there so there's so many levels it's one of the more FAS things about martial arts is that there are so many levels yeah there's never it's never ending it's like a Never Ending Story yeah really is right yeah it's just a Song That Never Ends just goes on and on my friends yeah um no it's it's literally it's you never and just when you think you have it all figured out boom there goes the curveball I think that's what's addicting about this sport though like I'm it's safe to say it's like a drug it's it's addicting I think adversity in some weird way I'm definitely addicted to that I like it when things seem insurmountable or they're look too hard or other people don't believe that I can do it that's such a weird quality because most people have the opposite most people like I

102:06like it when I know I can take a nap I like I like it when that couch looks soft and I'm going to walk over there and plot myself down on it you know and you're like I'm going to run up that mountain with no air yeah see how I fare see how long I can go before I pass out that's weird quality yeah um I don't know it is weird but I like it I don't know like that about myself cuz I know anytime I ever get into a hard situation about about anything it's like I can get through it i' I've seen worse you know well you definitely have proven that there's no doubt about it you know and you've proven it inside the Octagon just leading up to this fight obviously you proved it in this fight but you proved it leading up to this fight like the Sarah McMahon fight I think was one of your most impressive fights because you got her down and you were I mean she's a silver medalist Olympics and you

102:54were dominating the top position you you outs scrambled her you stayed on top of her and you beat her down and I was like that is that is a big victory you got a heavy top game you do we should grapple sometime okay uhoh I'm scared now uh oh when girls say we should grapple sometimes yeah that always gets odd it's like that got weird quick yeah got real no I'm sure you do I'm sure you do but um this comes from wrestling and I think just experience and and knowing you know wrestling can translate a a lot of sports can translate well into to mixed Marshal I happen to think wrestling is one of the best translations you know as opposed to like someone on typically boxers coming into the sport don't typically transition as well kickboxers you know because they have so much more to learn I feel like the fundamentals of wrestling kind of they they they Encompass a lot of what you need in MMA

103:43and if you're the better wrestler you can decide do I want to stay on the feed or I want to take it to the ground it dictates right it dictates so with that being said um I think I learned how to use the pieces that work for wrestling in MMA and take out the ones that don't cuz there's a lot of stuff in wrestling or any other sport you're going to bring over that doesn't work for MMA because MMA is a sport of its own and I think maybe like McMahon H like she's such an elite level wrestler that she's so ingrained with just wrestle wrestle wrestle wrestle that it's hard sometimes with the more Elite you are at something to like water it down again essentially that's kind of what you have to do you have to take pieces out for mixed martial arts there's things that you don't want to do because oh you get choked if you do that right you know like when you're in wrestling the last

104:28thing you want to do is be on your backs you turn over you and you you Arch out you lift your neck it's like oh man if you try to do that you try to stand up the way that you would in a wrestling match you're going to get choked can't do that you got to keep your chin tucked and then you got to hand so there's things that you you have to relearn and I think when you're such an elite elitist at something sometimes it's hard to relearn those it's a very good point and I think you could also use that same point when you're talking about Strikers learning take down defense and that like a lot of Strikers like to stand up really straight and you know as soon as they get involved in exchanges with people they fall into their old striking ways and that's when a guy like George St Pierre who was so good at being unpredictable like you never knew if he was going to take you down or he was

105:07going to stand with you one of the most Flawless Fighters wouldn't you say as far as like a game plan sticking to a game plan being disciplined never getting emotional never getting away from the game plan well in his prime and when you look at the during his run and no one keeps a run up forever but during his run I mean he beat everybody they put in front of him and he fought in some incredible fights where he fought some really really dangerous difficult guys and managed his way through the water to Victory and that's all you could ever expect from a champion yeah and people say like oh well some of his fights were boring or he played Safety First like Jesus Christ he fought the killers of the killers and he had five rounds and in during those five rounds you know Carlos condid head kicks him and drops him you know Matt Sarah knocked him out and won the title he's

105:53had adversity like but he beat everybody like you can't ask for more yeah like what do you think would h i mean if he just there's this mentality that some fans want where they want a guy who wants to bite down his mouthpiece and just swing away and like come on seven and and hope for the best but that's so like that's not what martial arts are about well 100% people people I think sometimes tend to enjoy the excitement of amateur fights more because they're more chaotic like people don't know what they're doing so it's just like stick to two people in there that kind of know how to throw punches and maybe kind of know how to wrestle and they just go balls the wall because that's like that's all that they know that they're confident in yeah it's like just go as hard as you can well it's also like a really good debate between two very articulate and very intelligent

106:38people no one is going to get the real upper hand real quick there's going to be points and counter points there's going to go like back and forth both both guys going to be very well prepared both women are going to be very well prepared you're not going to get like a very clear winner right away unless something crazy happens like Aldo and McGregor right like Aldo's just so mad at McGregor from all this talking he's been doing for months and months and months that he just runs at him and gets clipped you know is that crazy oh for a guy like Aldo that's got to be maddening oh yeah he hold the title for nine years or however long he held it seconds oh my God I mean and I've never seen Aldo do that he was so emotionally charged yeah he was very upset and that just goes to show you know that how much the mind is a powerful thing it's like if yeah if you

107:26if you think you can or think you can't you're right either way it's it's really derived from your your mind you know and and you can have all the skills in the world if you don't believe you can do it or or whatever if you don't have the confidence in your mind you won't which just interesting or if someone puts a seed in there and like like like uh Connor I just think that he was so good at the mental Warfare and you know Josie never had to deal with that before that was the thing it was like it was all respect everyone one that he fought shook his hand respected him realized he's this killer I mean and he was the reigning featherweight Champion for as long as there was a featherweight Champion he was the first the original he held that title for longer than anybody and was flawless I mean he had some amazing fights but he started to show like some chinks in his armor

108:12towards the end like um the second fight that he had with Chad Mendes like it show like that was a real war and a real grueling fight whereas you know the first fight with Mendes just looks insane he looked tremendous and stopped Mendes quick so I think nobody rides for free they train so hard in Brazil too they're insane no doubt yeah God no and Yao in particular yeah they go to war there's a good saying about training um smarter and not harder sometimes or working you know usually it's working but same thing goes for training overtraining is a big thing in this sport yeah I'm glad you brought that up CU I wanted to talk to you about that cuz you you had mentioned that in the Holly fight that he had made sure or you know you're training for a five round fight in particular how do you make sure that you are in Peak Performance level but you're not overtraining like who who designs your

109:02program well you know I think a lot of it depends on athlete input do someone can design a program but if you show up one day and you're supposed to be pushing sleds you know or do something heavy and hard and you're like I'm exhausted then they're like okay we need to dial it back your Fe you monitor your heart rate yeah yeah I wear like a the Polar heart rate monitor you take it in the morning when you wake up do the HRV and see where I'm at and that's really that what's HRV the heart rate variable okay so basically it tells you how how your heart is recovering so when you first wake up in the morning um from my understanding the more like the more that your heart is kind of like irregular maybe for a better sense of terms means that it's responding to things like quickly if it's kind of sluggish and it's kind of like not really not really reading that kind of

109:49quick reaction then it's not um then you're tired that body's still broken down it's not recovered that you you're kind of looking for that irregular kind of good bouncy you know I don't know if it's a rhythm but it there's something that the the HRV reads not just the heart rate but something about the heart and it and it reads it the heart rate variable and um tells you whether you're actually recovered or not and who goes over this stuff with you do you have uh um no not really my Sports Doctor I'll go over it with him you know so but you're basically calling the shots yeah and it's it's really easy to read it's it's either green orange or red like if you're in the red don't kill yourself that day like it tells you it's it's you know it's very simple like anyone can do it U wake up in the morning and if your heart rate variabl is in the red that means like this should be a relatively

110:35easy day either a rest day or relatively easy maybe just go for a nice run like just let your body recover because people don't realize you don't get stronger while you're training you don't get stronger while you're lifting weights you're actually damaging your body you're actually going backwards you get stronger when you're resting yeah you're recovering from the work and that's what makes you stronger that's literally what it is is when you're resting after you've worked out hard and after you tore everything apart I mean if you work out 24/7 there's no chance to repair and heal and grow and get stronger so you know it just goes back to that that science and that balance of like when to push hard and when to when to not push hard and I think that our sport typically has a lot of really tough people who don't like to ever think you know they're just in that work

111:24hard mentality cuz we're Fighters we're like the toughest people a lot of times they don't stop and think like doesn't matter how tough you are like science is science buddy you know it's it's it doesn't matter like going I'm just going to work out hard I'm going to push through it I'm going to spar hard today even though I feel like crap like I mean there's something we said maybe for mental toughness I guess you know you're going to go in there and you're going to push through it there's times for that but um I don't question my mental toughness so I just listen to my body you know I don't I'm not at a point in my career where I have anything to prove as far as like how tough I am that's again Zen Misha yeah my coaches always tell me like we're not we don't need to prove how tough you are Misha we already know that so let's just uh if you don't feel like sparring today we'll Spar

112:04tomorrow well that's one of the things that I think really does trip up a lot of Fighters is that they're so tough and they figure out how to push through injuries they figure out how to force themselves through situations but then they get these these damage to their joints or damage to their back or and a lot of it comes from not recognizing the difference between an actual injury yeah and pain there a little bit of discomfort and pain is normal it's it's constant it's never going to go away everybody who does martial arts experiences that but for someone like a cane Velasquez it almost becomes like a detriment because he's such a gorilla and he just knows how to push through everything that he blows everything out he blows his shoulder out then he blows the other shoulder out he blows his knees out he blows his back out I mean he's in my opinion when he

112:53was at his best he's the greatest of all time it's between himal and Fedor those are the two possible heavyweights and the Fedor one always has to have an aster because he was fighting in Pride and it was you know the steroid era you could do whatever the you want not saying even that he was on it but who the knows but that I don't think the guys that he fought even though he looked amazing against them I don't think hongman Choy is at the same level as like Junior dos Santos when Junior dos Santos was at his best when when Kane fought him it's so hard to tell and I think even Junior dos Santos was overtrained for one of their fights yeah and you know they talked about it like they had measured his um his um creatine levels and his blood and he was he was he just hadn't recovered correctly yep that that's a big that's a big part of it it's very common being so tough

113:45because you see people go you know whether it's a three round fight or a five round fight sometimes you'll see people gas out like a round and a half yeah you know round in you're like oh they must not have trained hard no it's probably that they trained too hard yeah that's probably what it is they probably still beat up sometimes like I will go like fight week and I I'll be in the workout you know the mat room that they have in the hotel and sometimes I'll see these guys in there and they're just going I mean they are going they're hitting Ms they're just you know they're ripping the big takedowns and they're just you know blown it all out I'm just like thinking dude it's the fight week calm down the hard work should have already all been done like this week is about recovery yeah and usually it's like people not like foreigners that are still in that mindset of like they're a

114:30little bit more old school mentality I feel like some of those gyms still haven't caught up to the the idea that it's not always about how hard you go well Matt Hughes told me that he used to train hard up until the day of the fight he just trained hard he's like I always trained hard and you know that's what I did with wrestling yeah work though work for him well you know but he was you know he was a highlevel athlete for a long time and he knew how to how to harness what and you know it's not saying that it can't that it can't work but I still think that there's something to be said about preserving the longevity of your career you might not be able to do that as long you know well with a guy like Matt Hughes it's so hard to to say that now because he was such a Pioneer I mean he was at the early early days of the UFC and was one of the great Champions and yeah one of the greatest

115:22champions ever and when you look at his title run and his reign of the 170lb division like during his Heyday you got to say like this guy like he sort of paved the way in a lot of ways especially for a wrestler that developed some really good submission skills I mean he's got some excellent submission victories including that armar that he submitted George St Pierre with I mean he had some really good submission skills for a wrestler yeah oh he was incredible was ahead of his time a little bit you know def ahead of his time and you know and an important Pioneer if you look at the overall game like these there's these moments where a person emerges and they go okay we haven't seen one of those guys before like yair Rodriguez is a perfect example yeah like this guy I watch that guy fight and I go Jesus Christ like here's a new thing here's a guy who's

116:12like this Elite Taekwondo guy who knows how to do everything else too but he throws these tawan do kicks like a normal person throws a jab he just there a part of his Arsenal he's throwing jump and roundhouse kicks and wheel kicks and he's he's doing that like you got to you got to get ready for this CU this guy's going to do this every round and this is a totally different type of engaging you've got to be aware of things coming from all these crazy angles and they're coming fast these wheel kicks and the jumping roundhouse kick that he hit uh fely with yeah like holy that was crazy crazy and he's he's one of these new guys it's like he's got so much skill we used train with feely did you yeah in Sacramento we part of the TM Alpha mail and it was funny like he he's come such a long way like he he used to have for some reason he had like a house arrest

117:05thing on his ankle like the the band things you he a train with it on yeah he had to train but he did not want to train so I guess he got permission to like go to the gym and I don't know what it was you know what it was for but it's a funny story CU it's like I just remember him back then and he was just still like you know still relatively new to the game and now you know doing well other than obviously his last loss but well he zigged when he start of zagged and that's just what happens in the game yeah he got caught and he also fought a guy who is one of the elite of the elite right now at 145 he's unpredictable so wild yeah and his ground game is really good too Yer can do everything yeah that guy is something man he is and I knew he was something but feely something too he's a tough kid and I thought that was going to be a great fight I was like this I'm really

117:51interested to see how fely navigates the kicks cuz that's the big thing is he going to try to kick with this guy is he going to try to like maybe um just like bear down like did you do you watch Glory at all a little bit did you see Raymond Daniels and Joseph valini no valini is a traditional Muay Thai style fighter and he just just kept his hands up high and just chopped the legs and chopped him down and eventually knocked him out with a head kick but Raymond Daniels is this wild who throws jumping spinning 360 turning Sidekicks to your face and all this wild and he was a point karate champion who eventually got into kickboxing and he's so wild with his kicks just he hit this guy with a touch front leg s kick and then spun in the air and and hit him with a a spinning back kick face how you train for people like that like how who can recreate that style you'd have to

118:43get someone like him you'd have to get a karate or a tao it's all you can get you know well it's people that don't understand and that there's there's there's some skills that these traditional martial artists have like traditional um like a lot of karate guys and a lot of Taekwondo guys in particular there's some things that they can do with their legs that the average person just can't do and if that karate guy or that Taekwondo guy like a yaya Rodriguez learns wrestling learns Jiu-Jitsu and learns kickboxing and has all that at a really elite Black Belt level like you're you know someone a good friend of yours that can do weird things with his legs Eddie Bravo oh yeah good Lord that guy is like he's like Gumby well he's been stretching his legs like that like like religiously he not that flexible like growing up no so he just doing it it's did Eddie when you watch TV with Eddie

119:37Eddie will never wear shoes he doesn't wear shoes he just puts his feet everywhere and kind of freaks people out but Eddie will sit there and he'll just like be like stretching himself out so he'll be sitting watching TV and he'll be pretty flexible too but he'll be like sitting there and it'll hold it and he can do that without like pulling on it like he doesn't have to have arms that pull his legs in these positions so he could just like tuck his legs into places and all of a sudden you're like locked up in a goo Plata and you don't even know how the he got his leg there I know I grappled with him once like years ago he was um like really tricky but he's like dude you're like grappling with a dude does that feel good or is that yeah that's always compliment as long as people don't say I look like a dude I can grapple like a dude all day long that's that's never you know never an

120:27issue I dread the day when like I love it when people are like oh you don't look like a fighter I'm like good that's good cuz like I really dread the day when people like man you look like a fighter like oh whoops yeah too far yeah I I I pushed the edge of the envelope and I I didn't come out on The Winning Side yeah you grapple like a dude is isn't okay like yeah you make out like a dude no that's not yeah how do you know yeah right where's this conversation going yeah that got off quick well it's there is a definite difference between um watching some women grapple and what some women can do and there's got to be some benefits to like being a woman when it comes to grappling there is sometimes like I grapple with some guys and I don't realize it's much different but like man you're so flexible like you got you know your ankles like I tried to ankle lock and it was like most guys

121:18would have tap but he's like you were fine I was like I you know I don't know have you ever seen this thing that ballerinas use and this is uh I think it's a new device but it's like you slide your foot into like this uh it seems like a rubber sheath it's like there's a flat board and there's like this rubber sheath and you slide your foot into and that you do these exercises with your foot and somebody had put it up on one of the Jiu-Jitsu pages that I follow on uh Instagram and they were like this is like the best way to prevent foot locks like literally because it just strengthens it so much it and stretches it to the point where you know like if someone gets you in like a um a foot lock and they're pushing down like a toe hold and they're as they're pushing down on your foot it's the hyperextending of the ankle that gets you to tap CU you're like oh I

122:04think something's going to tear and then people tap and this gets your foot into this flexible position where you kind of strengthen and and make it so flexible that you can't get tapped in certain ways you never tried you have it Jamie is that what it is huh that looks similar that's similar it's Pro Arch is that what it's called oh that looks like it's making it like where your feet are like so yeah like the arch of the ballerina foot that's probably like strengthening huh to be able to stand on the to what is that you wearing birkens is brutal oh the feet their feet are so they're so wrecked so nasty so bad oh God it's like I thought my feet were bad I knew this girl who's a ballerina and she had to have her feet fixed because her her toes she had smashed her to toes for so long like doing like point and trying to stand on her toes that she had to get like she

122:58had these scars over the top of her feet where she had to get her her toes like realigned and get her ligaments repaired ballet is a hard hard sport from from my understanding like I don't think they get enough credit I don't know well they also have to starve themselves you know they have to be tiny skinny did you see that Swan movie was it black SW freaking it was insane right I was like yeah I don't know of women's empowering sort of activity yeah I posted a a picture of me uh with a scale the other day like weighing myself people like 147 they're like freaking out about it or whatever I'm like yeah I weigh you know almost 150 lbs but they're like like that's good that not you know it goes to show you don't have to be 100 lb or 110 lbs to like look good or be beautiful or whatever and I'm like yeah I don't I'm not ashamed of what I weigh at all like at all at all I don't care I

123:49could weigh 160 lbs as long as I look good and feel good like you know people were just kind of surprised that I I guess a lot of women have like numbers in their head that you don't want to go over 135 is like the peak don't get bigger than this yeah you know I think it used to be like 110 my mom's best friend growing up she was um she was Vietnamese and they had like they had a rule well she was half Vietnamese so the Vietnamese side of her family so she was a little bit bigger bone gorgeous beautiful like exotic green eyes dark black hair like half really really pretty and um her family was so hard on her because she weighed over 100 lb like you were supposed to be under you're supposed to be 99 or less cuz they're all super tiny but she was half so her she got her half of her white dad's side and she was like 10 n or something and I like you you lose weight Lynn Lynn you

124:40lose weight you're too heavy you're too heavy really yeah yeah oh yeah and she had just she had eating disorders and stuff I learn like later because she was so just mortified that weighed more you know they didn't want her to weigh over 100 oh that's so crazy the number put a number on things numbers yeah it doesn't matter to me how do you look if you look good what does what difference does it make like obviously being a fighter you're going to be denser I mean how anybody wouldn't understand that a woman like you what do you like 5 seven 56 56 at 56 145 lbs you're going to have a ton of muscle I mean you have to if you're doing all the grappling you're doing what kind of strength and conditioning program are you on um I go usually like 2 three days a week and I go to this place called phase one sports and they work with a lot of athletes they work

125:29boxers and football players and things like that so um I do like the most that I really do for like actual lifting weights is probably power cleans or like hand cleans like I'll you know flip the bar that's I think really good explosive movement for um like for wrestling and things like that um I do sled pushing I do a lot of body weight stuff a lot of footwork and you know um we kind of mix cardio and weight so we'll do like he'll like do one set of the workout that's strength based so it's like anerobic and then we'll like run sprints so kind of like to simulate a fight like you're going through a a combination and it's Anor robic you're throwing five six punches and you're doing that without oxygen anerobic and then you do something where you know you Circle away and you move or something that's aerobic you know you coming for the takedown that's kind of an anerobic movement and

126:18then so it simulates the fight so we do a lot of um I don't know it's not really anything Super Rocket Science I don't think but I like it it works for have you always done a strength conditioning program I love strength and conditioning in um in high school and stuff I lifted a lot of weights I got criticized a lot actually in high school because I was pretty buff in high school and I wrestled criticized yeah I got criticized by girls or boys actually by guys mostly I think the girls were kind of scared of me even though I was like never confrontational I never like fought people I was like pretty nice to everyone but um like I don't know the girls were probably like if they knew if they would have messed with me I probably would have wrecked them you know but I was just kind of like passive I was a people Watcher um and uh yeah like the guys were like man stop Lifting me sure

127:03you're getting too buff I'm like maybe you need to lift more were you wrestling in high school yeah I wrestle in high school what was that like that was hard man it was actually my first half of my season was terrible were you wrestling dudes or were you wrestling girls primarily guys that's ridiculous I was the only like consistent female on my team for all four years what the motivated you to go do that um you just like wrestling dudes yeah no actually that was that like I said it was terrible like my first day oh my gosh well I'll get to why I did it I did it because I can't play basketball that was really the reason why I didn't do it well did you want to play basketball no I hate basketball well that's probably why you can't play basketball because I bet if you want to play basketball you figure out how to get really good at basketball probably so don't don't say you can't play

127:56basketball well it would have been a long road maybe I could have but it would Tak a long time yeah but as if MMA isn't a long road yeah but it's way more fun but isn't it crazy though that the odds of you getting famous as a female basketball are player are non-existent yeah there was like I mean the WNBA still exists right name one famous WNBA player name one go ahead ready go you can't do it but female Fighters at the time it was ridiculous if you were in high school and you said one day I'm going to be a female cage fighter people like this is a crazy get away from her she's out of her mind yeah meanwhile you're famous yeah the UFC was just barely coming out I think then you know was like so I don't know it was crazy um so I decided to do it out of default because I wanted do to do a sport but I was really reluctant to play basketball or even try didn't like it

128:47just didn't appeal to me didn't click can't dribble the ball I don't shoot well like I didn't PE a couple times I'm like this is not the sport for me I can't jump very high like everything is just like not I'm not made to play basketball and so I went out for wrestling um and I was like yeah I guess I'll try this and uh we didn't tell my dad at first either cuz he would have probably like been mortified he was mortified when we told him but it was too late by then I was already like I was already in it I was like I think my mom thought I was going to quit so she like tried to hide it from him for like you know two three weeks or so like thinking a she's not probably going like this but I love it how many girls were on the team with you one other girl it was my best friend Sharon and it was actually her idea I never probably would have thought of it we were in honors

129:30English class little smarty pants and she looked at me she's like you know I really want to do a sport but I don't want to play basketball either you want to go out for wrestling I'm like wrestling and I always thought wrestling was so weird like in middle school as a kid I'm like what are they doing like they're these boys in these tight suits like rolling around this is weird um so I had this like distaste for wrestling but I was kind of like well it's better than basketball probably yeah sure let's try it wow yeah that's how I mean it's nothing against basketball but I just I just can't I don't know how did you know that you liked it wrestling yeah well the first day I got my ass kicked bad like I left with like Matt burs all over my body and my face like I didn't know what I was doing they tried to get me to quit they didn't want the girl they did

130:17not want us there they they meaning the teammates or the and the coaches really yeah the coach yeah the coach was kind of an ass like he was only there for one year he actually ended up getting he ended up getting fired but anyways um yeah they did not want us there so I think they thought like if we make this as hard on them as possible they'll just quit because that's like you know I think they had had like a couple years before like a girl come out and like they didn't they never last like they never made it past to two weeks so I think I I kind of felt that and I was like you just wait mother I was like I'm going to I'm going to prove you wrong I'm going to stick around and I'm going to do this and I was like and sure as hell no I can't get any worse I was like so the law of diminishing return says I'm bound to get better and um yeah I kept coming back every day and it was

131:01the hardest thing that I've ever done I think that's why I liked it so much it was hard really really hard and they did a lot of conditioning a lot of you know but I love I didn't mind that at all like I love that stuff I love working out I love conditioning I love pushing myself the part that was the most challenging was the actual wrestling cuz they didn't want to teach us anything they want to teach me anything I remember they put me in there with a guy who placed like third and state and he just wrecked me I was like can you at least show me a double I was like I don't know anything I don't know how to do any of this stuff like can you show me they're like so you're just a body yeah they're like nope just go wrestle and you just embarrassed me what a shitty wrestling coach yeah well I don't know they didn't want us there was that the first time that you

131:42knew about yourself though that you liked to overcome adversity like that you could you liked difficult challenges looking back on it I think so cuz I did didn't realize how tough I was until I got through like a wrestling season I'm like holy crap like that was really hard high school wrestling's brutal it's it's for people who have never done anything difficult too it's probably like the first their first most people don't say you start out with a big team and half the people drop like flies yeah really quickly you know a couple kind of dwindle out and you're left with like a few that are you know really there to do it and especially with me being so terrible like I lost um I mean I probably lost just about every match that year I never wrestled before you know I was competing against guys um I can't remember exactly uh I think I beat a girl like later in the season my first

132:30year and I lost my very first wrestling match was actually against another female which was rare and it lost by points but she was like a senior so you know it was whatever I just tried to no I got pinned that's a lie I remember I got pinned she was a senior it was like second round and I didn't I just didn't know very much you know and uh then I I went on actually my senior year I ended up wrestling Varsity W yeah that's crazy so you went through freshman sophomore Junior and Senior year yeah all four years all four years you wrestled yeah that's amazing I loved it wa I Liv for it that's crazy yeah in the senior year you were a varsity wrestler right what in the I know and what wait this is the hilarious part okay so so I was good but I wasn't male Varsity good you know I I loved wrestling I worked hard I came early I stayed late I did all that but

133:23um I wasn't that level right but but the thing was is we didn't have 152 pounder we had two 145s so I wrestled at 145 I didn't know how to cut weight so it's just what I was walking at at the time I was heavier almost heavier in high school than I am now and I didn't know anything about diet I didn't know anything about anything I thought when I Joel this is how stupid I was I thought that when I had to make weight the next day that I needed to eat the most low calorie foods so I would go like get the jar of salsa which had is like how don't I don't know how many thousands of milligrams of sodium which is going to help you hold water I didn't know it's like oh it's 5 calories per serving let me eat this whole thing and then like I'm sure I was like a balloon the next day like it's no wonder like I couldn't cut any weight like well there's no science they didn't teach you about

134:09cutting weight back nobody nobody taught me anything about cutting weight except you throw a garbage bag on and run around yeah you know and so anyways um there was two 145 Pounders no 152 Pounders so what they would do is basically I was a sacrificial lamb we would both weigh in at 145 for varsity and they would decide which opponent was more likely for the guy our guy teammate to beat and they would match him up so that we could get a win and they would put me with the tougher opponent so that our guy that had a chance at winning could win because they're like they knew either way I probably wasn't going be able to win again I mean these are these are these are tough guys like I've been wrestling four years they've been wrestling their whole life right and they're cutting weight so half the time I'm wrestling 152b men like I'm weighing in at 145 on on the varsity team and

135:01just getting you know oh my gosh did you beat any dudes I did but not in Varsity I didn't beat any Varsity guys but I beat some other guys I made him cry I made a few guys quit it would always get back to our school too it would always get back to our school too like oh yeah that guy you beat last week he quit quit the team yeah it would come back to our school cuz obviously there was a you know a rival school or whatever but somehow it would get back too yeah like I guess he quit the team I wonder how much that with their head I don't know I don't I didn't care some people whoa care DN ice cold I didn't care of course how could you you well you can't some people are not going to make it yeah you got to keep going one time do you know what a Saturday night ride is sure yeah why don't you explain it to people it's the most impressing so it's basically I'll tell you the story I got by like

135:54152 pound State Placer I weighed in at 145 I remember he wrestled for White River and he went out and just bulldozed me right over and Saturday night ride pinned me in like 18 seconds I mean he crushed me but it's the most embarrassing and like it's the last like if you're a girl in high school that's the last way that you want something to pin so basically they they lay like straight on top of you in like a starfish fish position and they wrap your arm both of your arms with their arms and wrap their your their legs with your legs so that you can't you're just starfished out on your back and like I was like what an like you know he did it on purpose well why does that but if it was effective why is that more embarrassing just cuz your legs are all spread apart and it looks like a sexual position kind of you know cuz they're like right on top of you stomach to

136:44stomach chest to chest groin to groin yeah there it is yeah that that's yeah that's close um well that's a mount that's someone mounting with grape Vining someone see no it's not really pulling up um the one go down again the black and white one right uh yeah there's a yeah that's kind of like it basically um sort of but he's kind of doing more of an armar so just imagine the same thing a mount with double gra Vines yeah so it's just kind of you know what I mean it was just like demoralizing yeah I get it damn it and it was so fast too was like but usually actually I didn't get pinned on in Varsity cuz I was so flexible goes back to that like people couldn't turn me over even the varsity guys like I would that was my survival technique was like my shoulders were so flexible that if like in in high school wrestling you can't go past what's potentially dangerous you're not allowed to like

137:34dislocate someone shoulders so it's like they would try to turn me and my should my arm would just be going going going going going and they would like you can't go past that or you're going to dislocate her arm you know so it was like that was my my Hail Mary was like I'm really flexible and I'm super tough and I just would not let I would have let my arm dislocate for sure sure I was not going to let him turn me that's one of the interesting things about wrestling isn't it is like there's some things that you would do in a fight that you're not allow to do and meet well it's Collegiate wrestling so it's um there's different styles there's Collegiate which is like more safe for schools you know because they're kids and then you get into Freestyle Wrestling which you can throw people and slam them and Collegiate you have to kind of set them down you're not allowed

138:12to just like pick someone in the air and go boom you know throw them you have to kind of put them down but even in freestyle like remember when um Mark Schultz fought in the Olympics and ripped that guy arm apart and got him inora and sort of tossed him with theur and just yanked his arm backwards I mean that he got disqualified for that yeah which were in the UFC would be an amazing move yeah well I guess it's just a different mindset I guess they think of wrestling is wrestling and fighting is fighting it's different it is but it's like it's effective grappling it's like the use of your body against their body yeah it's interesting in that way it's but I think for wrestling I if you're supposed to use like joint manipulation I think maybe that's the difference it's supposed to be like that you can control their body like with your weight on top of them not

139:00necessarily like contort their joint in the wrong direction so that you know that's Jiu-Jitsu that's that's where Jiu-Jitsu comes in do you remember when um Matt Hughes fought Ricardo Almeida and choked him out but with like a front headlock yeah which is a move that is actually used in wrestling all the time that was a fascinating time some wrestlers have adapted more of that that stuff too like they put that in there more let like start putting some pressure on the the throat and folding people over it and they try to sneak in there a little bit who's so strong when he gets a hold of you in that position he's pushing yeah he's pushing against your your arm and it's pinning against your neck and then he's squeezing your neck on the other side he's choking you out like just like a head and arm choke but in a reverse position yeah it's pretty crazy yeah I

139:44was amazed when I saw that fight that he did that that he was able to choke out Ricardo Alida who's a Jiu-Jitsu black belt but more amazing since then that no one else has been able to do it yeah I think have you wrestled did you ever wrestled I wrestled in high school you wrestled in high school one year yeah it's hard why didn't you do the other ones Taekwondo CU I was doing both yeah I just decided tawo was easier I like that and I like kicking people it was like I was wrestling is one of the hardest things isn't it I was well it was also that I had to do it at school so it it's like I had to stay at school which I hated and I I was just a zombie like after I was so sore I remember like we used to do these Sprints upstairs and and carry each other across the football field and I was so sore I just remember thinking like this or used to like what they call them

140:33the Gut Busters I think cuz they literally make you want to vomit yeah I was doing both at the same time too I was doing Taekwondo and wrestling at the same time I just had determined I wish I could have done more extracurricular like school activities besides just what was offered by the school that was the one thing is like we were so we struggled a lot financially growing up we didn't grow up in a privileged household by any means and they couldn't AF my parents couldn't afford to put me into gymnastics at the time you know right but I'm glad because I think that for that's what I wanted to do I actually wanted to do gymnastics instead of wrestling but they're like you know we just it's too too much right and makes sense but I'm glad that I didn't come from Super privileged because it just gives me a whole different perspective sure you appreciate what

141:18you've earned I'm sure yeah when did you start striking when did you do any sort of striking martial arts um 19 when I was 19 what did you start out with um I think it was just kickboxing yeah just normal like learning to throw kicks and normal you know it was kickboxing for MMA I never did any like just straight anything it was always about it was always about MMA and obviously I had wrestled so the goal was always to grab people and get them to the ground right so yeah I started with kickboxing learning how to throw basic kicks learning how to throw basic punches but like before my first fight I think I had like maybe four weeks of striking which like nothing nothing that's crazy mhm it was crazy well in those situations like I had a buddy of mine who was a Jiu-Jitsu black Bel really high level Jiu-Jitsu guy and he was taking an MMA fight and we had a conversation about it before

142:10and uh I was going well how how much striking are you doing and he's like once a week I get together and I do this I'm like holy I'm like listen do you know what you can do to guys on the ground well someone can do that to you standing up yeah and if all that guy has to do is keep you from getting a hold of him and you're fuv like you have to you have to be understanding that like there's a difference in the consequences as well because the consequences of being in there with like a dangerous Striker are one wrong move and you get clipped with something and you wake up yep it's just it's such a different thing but so many people that are really good at one thing they think all I have have to do is do my one thing and they won't be able to stop me right well I went into my first fight kind of ignorance is bliss too not not thinking like you know if I can't do this I just

143:00didn't know how devastating it could be to get like need in the face now up in Washington state they don't allow amateurs like to throw full-on knes to the face no they don't allow it like an amateur fighting I think in California and stuff like that too like now there's more regulations and they don't allow it just because a lot of times amateurs are still learning and just such a brutal blow a knee to the face like you're I mean that's a hard there's no protection it's straight like knee bone you know it's pretty brutal um my first fight oh my gosh you know I went out there I wrestled her I pretty much just that's all that I knew I don't even think I threw a punch on the ground like I took her down like the easiest I've ever taken her down and I think I forgot that I could punch cuz I was just that's all I knew was wrestling so I just like wrestled her the whole

143:44time and then the second round I came out and I threw a one two one2 and I tried to grab a hold of her and she put me in a tie clinch so her and her husband own like a owned um a Thai School up in Canada so she was like really good Striker no wrestling or really much grappling a little bit and I didn't know what it was I didn't even know what a tie clinch was much less how to defend it so she just starts kneeing my face off and the only thing I can think to do is shoot so I'm just shooting into knees Bam Bam Bam and then like one of them caught my nose just clean on busted it flatten my nose and um I was like in such shock and you know because this is the first time I've been hit really like you don't you know you don't take blows to the face in wrestling so I'm just like whoa what is going on here what am I doing and she kind of like pushes me down and like I'm

144:35CU I'm still shooting but I kind of like slump out of the you know off of the legs a little bit I'm a little bit stunned obviously and she spins around and takes my back she's trying to choke me and I just I remember like had this Epiphany moment it was like the world stopped you know and she's still trying to like fight me and beat me up and I remember she's trying to choke me and I have my hands like this and and it's such a vivid moment cuz it's how I got this start this is how I started my career it's my first fight ever and I'm watching this pool of blood and there's a steady stream like not even dripping like it's just pouring out of my nose and this pool of blood is getting bigger and bigger and bigger and she's still trying to choke me and punch me and I'm thinking like this that's exactly what I was like oh hell no and I got pissed I I got pissed I

145:29lost my temper in the fight I started bucking her off and that's when the fighter really came out of me because before that I was just I was still wrestling I was like competing that's when the fighter came out I got pissed and I was pissed not only that I my nose was broken not only that I got hit but that she had my back that was like that was what pissed me off off like the rest was kind of like H you know but I was the wrestler you like get off my back like you're the striker you're not allowed to be there so I like started bucking her and she fell down into the guard position and I stood up above her and I reached to the ceiling as high as I could and I just started raining down punches from the standing position and blood is going everywhere like she soaked in it I've got it all over me I'm just bleeding like a stuck pig like everywhere and I remember her face she

146:19kind of like WI like trying to weather the storm and that's how the second round ended and then I went back to my corner and like um the head the head coach was like we can't let you go back out for the third round cuz your nose is just so like we don't know how bad it is and I was super bummed because that was the turning point in the fight for me that's when it actually became a fight and I was like I really wanted to go back out in the third round and just whoop this girl's ass I got so pissed so you lost the fight but you learned a lot about yourself yeah a ton and I had to go home that's bringing this back full circle this is for my my very chauvinistic Grandpa at the time and you know he was kind of sexy like old school like he was like you know women do this and men do that women don't do this so you're not allowed to do that and what are you doing how to come home oh my God

147:06that was the most Dreadful Drive I ever had because my nose was literally like three times a size I had no definition between my the bridge of my nose and my cheekbones like it just went straight out it was flat like a lion and then it just went straight out to my cheekbones that's how bad it was I mean it got broken bad and then over like the next night like I could barely even open my eyes and I had two giant black raccoon eyes so it was like there's no hiding it like and and you you got to look your grandpa straight in the face and he's like tskk tskk I told you you know you're just like mother that's what he said to you oh yeah oh man he was just like you know he just wouldn't like would not lay off of it this is why you shouldn't be doing this this is absurd this is ridiculous this is embarrassing and my dad's just like you know he's so embarrassed like he was just yeah he was

147:57embarrassed and I'm in the back of my mind I know that I can't say anything at the moment but in the back of my mind I was thinking I'm not done I've got to do this again like in the back of my mind I was thinking because everyone was like well good she good thing she got that out of her system like she'll she'll surely never do that again thank God she got this you know she learned her lesson early and I was thinking uh uh I was like I can't I've I've got to get back in there I got to prove that I can do better than that I was like it was too embarrassing you know to have to face everyone that was telling me like I shouldn't be doing that and you know what everyone says to you like before you like at least back then everyone would say to me don't break your nose that was like my pre like good luck you know like people say like oh go kill it not meaning break a leg you know

148:46people like they're the way like well you know good luck in your don't break your nose no you know it was so embarrassing I think I missed like a week of call a week of classes too cuz I had done it over like a break so I had like I don't know like I don't know winter break or something and then I I missed like a week because it was still so bad did you have to get it fixed no I probably should have but still not fixed but you can feel it it's like you can feel the like disassociating my septum is like do you breathe out of your nose at all not very well yeah to be honest about the right side like I could barely and this is a good day have you ever had thought about having it fixed yeah yeah I have I have but um yeah hopefully one of these days Jun Santos just did it recently it helped him a lot yeah I did it I didn't do it till I was like 39 I I my whole life I had a up nose

149:43nose it's amazing I always sound really nasly now too like I listen to myself like I'll probably go back and listen to this podcast but God I sound nasy I used to be just like you I'd be like one side was like 3/4 closed the other side was totally useless I had no breathing out of my nose it was just all up in there but now it's like yeah and then but yeah that's nice I'm jealous way to rub it in Joe you could get it fixed yeah but then I was wondering like don't they have to like shave it down or like straighten it yeah some people like open up the like they open it up but then it makes it a little bit weaker or something to get broken again no I don't think so you know I think well they they shave down the turbonet the the inside like there's these bumps inside your nose that it hinders the opening or it makes the opening smaller they shave that down they cut out the

150:34inside that's all calcified too for me which is like cauliflower you know just like cauliflower ear you get that in your nose as well I feel like I'm asking for it to get broken again though as soon as I fix it like it's just like it's going to get broken again probably anyway right if you keep fighting but I think that at least you have more of an opportunity to breathe and your cardio will definitely improve true you have good cardio already but if you breathe out of your nose I'm sure it would help you in a lot of ways yeah I have to look into it yeah I mean uh some like when I was a kid um I went to a doctor like when I was like 19 or 20 and I had a real problem with it and the doctor said look unless you stop fighting you need to just deal with this and then once you're done competing then do it yeah and I just left it alone but then I had snore really bad and I when I take yoga

151:22class I couldn't breathe out of my nose and finally I just bit the bullet but after I did it I made a YouTube video about it because I'm like oh my God all these people saying that it was like really bad like it's nothing it's nothing yeah the operation was nothing what did they like did you put you under yeah but I mean when it's over like everybody's like oh my God it's so awful you miserable did they rebre your nose they definitely get in there they they didn't like break it and reset it though or anything no cuz they didn't that it's brok up here like I could you could feel like it's all where I was I broke it when I was five was the first time I broke it and then I broke it who knows how many times after that but the inside was where it was all up it was just and he said it was one of the worst he'd ever seen he's like boy this thing has been broken a

152:05lot he said I don't know how many times you broke it I'm like I don't know either but I mean compare my nose though to like vanderlay you remember when vanderlay vandelay is one of those guys if you look at vander's like first fight he shave down like his uh bones and stuff too yep he had get he well that was Nick Diaz Nick Diaz had his bones shaved down and he had scar tissue removed but with vanderlay he probably had that done too but he had a bunch of scar tissue removed because he had so much scar tissue that his eyes were drooping like severely and his nose was flat I mean just flattened there was nothing left so he had a piece of cartilage removed from his rib and then they redid his nose and he had his nose made big so that he could breathe out of it better like he like w had the this while he was still fighting oh yeah do you don't you remember when he fought in

152:54the UFC he looked one way like when he fought Chuck and then like he he looked like a a complet different I guess I didn't even notice the nose cuz I was so focused on like the bone structure like I feel like that maybe he had a lot done yeah he's crazy too like when i' I've trained at his gym before madman he sparts like all all out like he tries to kill people yeah no he fights there's no sparring with vanderlay fighting yeah yeah yeah I've talked to people that SP with them and they're like what in the yeah he just kills people like no mercy like give me more training parters I break more yeah that's just well that was like more of a Russian accent that's not what he sounds like at all but it was like mean like that I'm here to fight a Lo to fight fight that's brail there go for me to fight is important now just make him really mean and like like he's chewing through his training

153:43Partners that's that's what it was like that guy got over he really did I was so upset with when they tried to give him a lifetime ban and you know what what they did was really wrong and sent him on his tail spin and he said a bunch of crazy about the UFC and it's like that the whole thing made me really sad because they were trying to make an example out of him but look that guy never failed a drug test I don't know who the knows what he was doing he definitely did some especially in Pride for 100% I mean when he fought croop he was 218 pounds you know that's not from creatine he did some 100% right but back then you were allowed to do whatever you want in the UFC he never pissed hot he never got caught so to have this one time where he ran away from a drug test and to say that he's banned for life it's ridiculous it's just a total abuse of power and a really callous abuse by

154:36these people that are a part of the commission because they are responsible for this guy's livelihood and they just decided to treat him as an example and not respect him as a pioneer of the sport what my thought is you should treat him him as if he pissed hot look you ran away from a test guess what you're automatically pissing hot so it would be like nine months right and instead they said life and I'm like that is crazy you can't take away a man's livelihood no he would have been better if he yeah like if he would have pissed hot technically better well much better yeah much better he would been back fighting already he'd be already scheduled right now in the UFC he probably be still in the UFC and still fighting and now I guess he's going to fight for Bellator and he's got a fight overseas cuz they reduced his suspension to like I think they gave him a couple

155:25years or something like that or maybe even less but they it's a long time in a fight career though yeah especially yeah as it is I mean what is he 38 he got to be right 37 38 it's um it's so weird too because the trt thing which was around for quite a few years and you saw the Rejuvenation of vtor and Dan Henderson these guys that were on trt that all of a sudden and started doing really well again yeah and just it's such a gray area like and then that's that gets removed and then like okay everybody's get got to go back to like your normal hormone secretion yeah like oh what do you how do you feel about the IV ban I don't like it yeah I don't like either I don't well I don't like weigh-ins this is this is what I feel like I feel like we have to move away from this weight cutting thing because there's a difference between this Sport and any other sport uh other

156:17than boxing and I think that the head trauma aspect of it makes weigh-ins 24 hours a day extremely problematic when we understand the science of rehydrating the brain can take as much as 70 plus hours so that to me says that we're doing a bad thing we're doing a a silly thing and we're letting Fighters comp peat compromised I think with someone like you and someone like Holly you are a similar size I think you guys should make an agreement and the the UFC should say okay look Misha what do you weigh right now you weigh like 146 when you're in Peak condition what do you weigh uh one 43 Holly are you cool with 143 yeah okay well let's just weigh you guys during Camp we'll weigh you guys sporadically and we'll give you a couple P pounds to play with because realistically the difference between a 143 lb person and 145b person is nothing it's just it's it's not it's not enough

157:08and as long as no one's dehydrated let's take hydration level that's interesting concept though but think about this for a minute wrestling weight classes typically are typically about 5 lbs apart till you get into the bigger one ones so in theory 5 lbs makes a big difference of when you're talking about manipulating someone else's weight cuz you're 5 lbs less but they're 5 pounds more so it's almost like if you think about it a double like in my mind it's almost like a double right 5 pounds can be a lot if there's a lot of wrestling striking I don't think it's doesn't mean anything Jiu-Jitsu maybe not as much but maybe getting someone to the ground or being able to sweep someone I mean it can matter sound like a lot it depends how yeah it depends how big you are 5 lbs to a 300 lb person isn't that much 5 PBS to 115 PB person is a lot it's a bigger percentage of their body weight

157:56that's a big Point like when you're talking about like a straw weight or something like that that's a big point and I think actually I think Holly walks around like 160 something does she she's pretty big girl well I just feel like she is yeah you can tell she I I really feel like there's got to be a better way to um organize weight classes and I just don't know if forcing someone like Holly to compromise her body to get down 135 and and then then rehydrate up to like 150 or whatever she does well wein came into to the whole play because of like betting right like back in the day that's what they would like want to show off the fighters and get people to bet on them like who do you think's going to win so it was kind of like more of a showing than really like a weighin like look how big this guy is he weighs this much and look how big this one which one

158:41do you think's going to win and they would get people to bet and that's kind of how WS came about the day before TR try to get people interested in the fights to boast the fighters yeah get their shirts off and get them on a scale and show how you know well you know the size difference or whatever you know didn't they used to do it the day of the fight I don't know maybe I'm not sure about that in boxing it was the day of the fight yeah I'm pretty sure though that that's like where that kind of came in and then I think they started making more weight classes and that's how it got got like more specific like you have to be a certain weight and I understand that you want to weight you want people to be within a certain weight of your each other but then the problem is like you can't there's no way to really monitor that right you know like some people blow up between their camps and

159:28other people don't MH you know and how do you yeah like you said how do you really reg that like what if what if I said you know I walk around at 147 and Holly's like well you know I walk around at 162 then you're like well then you can't fight each other but it's like she's like well but when I die it and I do this and I come down I can make the same weight as as Misha like how much does she cut though she cut way more than you or does she lower her body weight I'm sure she lowers the body weight I I I'm going to guess and say she probably cuts from about 150 but I could be wrong see then you're only dealing with a few different pounds right like would you say you're like 146 what you said yeah 147 you're dealing with 3 lbs yeah so that's not that's not bad but that's not cutting weight it's not dehydrating I think we need to measure the amount of hydration that's

160:17in the the body then what you do is what they instilled in the wrestling programs in high schools essentially they weigh you but you also have to pee into a cup and you have to be a certain amount hydrated and then they tell you you can't go below a certain weight because that would mean you're dehydrating yourself that's that that's definitely on scale and then like also you have to test the hydration of your your urine and so you be able I mean that would be really the only way to ensure people are not dehydrating themselves to to make a weight otherwise you do have to be the same weight though I mean to be to be fair to have 135 lb title You' be 135 lbs like you know can't be roughly it should probably be a diet thing more than a dehydration thing I just think that also we're it's just it's such a dangerous sport already and to add this extremely dangerous weight cutting

161:08aspect to it like the guy in Brazil who died last year from weight cutting that can happen it's happened in high school wrestling it's happened in college wrestling and it's happened in MMA a few times now it's not a good thing no it's not and the IV band from my understanding it's kind of silly because they they say like well you know because it can mask like uh what is it EPO or something it can mask certain type you have to talk to nitzky but it can mask certain types of performance enhancing so so from my understanding what I understand is that cyclists used to use it like right before they knew that the person was going to come and test them they would hyper hydrate their blood so that it would look like it was a normal like a normal consist yeah yeah hemoc levels that they would be dehy you know oh hyperhydrated so there wouldn't be as much when they

161:55would draw it but the thing is is in our sport we're first of all we're monitored for at least probably 3 hours before our fight we're taken to venue and and a commissioner does not leave our side at all there's no way to like cheat there's no you're not going to Ivy up for you know a real quick 10- minute and like no like they're in the bathroom with you you're completely monitored and I feel like maybe if they were going to aband it maybe they could do it under like a medical like if you need an IV afterwards then like you have to go to the hospital and get one administered or something like there could be a way around it because the thing about cyclist and other sports that they ban it and then they just transferred it over to MMA it doesn't add up because we do cut weight mhm you know yeah that I agree with that it makes sense I'm not taking that into

162:37account the only thing that I would say is that what they're doing by the IV ban is keeping they're checking Plastics that plastic residue that comes from the tubes into your body and that could be from blood doping so blood doping could be one way that you could have an advantage an illegal advantage over your opponent and they could eliminate blood doping by eliminating IVs because this um the the small Trace amount of plastics that show up in your blood from use of an IV in the bag and the the the tube and all that stuff you could actually use that with blood and gain an endurance advantage over your opponent wait I'm I'm you're saying by by using IV and putting like like injecting like an EPO is that what you're saying through or what are you saying no by Blood by putting blood like blood doping you know blood doping you take blood out of your body you weigh in and then once

163:30you weigh in then they reintroduce that blood back in your body you have much more blood because your body's replenished the blood that was missing now you all of a sudden have a massive endurance advantage that's what EPO replicates what EPO replicates is what they were getting by just blood doping right that's what blood doping is just pulling blood out of your body storing it in like a and then you put your own blood back in yes you never heard of this well I've heard of epo but I thought it was like well that's what EPO is EPO is a drug right so that simulates it like your body to like you were at a high altitude I knew about that but I didn't think about like taking your own blood out and putting it back in would you just have too much blood yes you would have too much blood but temporarily it gives you a big endurance Advantage eventually your body brings

164:14your blood back to Baseline but that's what EPO is doing what EPO is doing is accelerating the amount of red blood cells your body produces what blood doping is doing is reintroducing blood that you pulled out once your body's replenished that missing blood now you're throwing even more blood in there it's probably actually safer than EPO because EPO can cause strokes and uh EPO is is tricky stuff but it's uh it's also a drug that you know a lot of Fighters have gotten caught for yeah well I thought cuz I didn't think about that but I thought EPO is it's like you can tell when it's I guess like the color of the blood or something is a little bit different when it's or when you have EPO in your system like they can tell if it's fake well they didn't used to be able to test for it right now they can now they can but I think the there there's two issues with the IV the main

165:05one is the masking of other performance-enhancing drugs but another one is the possibility of using these bags and these tubes to add additional blood to your body yeah so but I've also been told that that can be worked around with a glass syringe and um with a glass container for the uh the blood or or IV fluid so I don't know if that's true either yeah so weird well there's going to be a lot of moves and counter moves you know like nitzky was saying that they figured out a way to make testosterone out of animals they're taking testosterone from animals it's indistinguishable from the biot testosterone that your your actual body produces versus like the stuff they make now which they make in some sort of a laboratory environment with wild yams that's how they're that's how they make testosterone with yams mhm that's one of the reasons why a carbon isotope test

165:59can differentiate between exogenous testosterone and testosterone that's naturally produced by the body that's crazy it's nuts isn't that insane well I mean you're you're dealing with this massive massive sport that's just so crazy that there's and you know I mean I don't have to tell you it's there's the edges that you gain I mean the edge that you got think about all the strength and conditioning that you did all the crazy drills you did it all came down to that moment in the fifth round where you knew you had to take Holly down and in that battle which was so touch and go like it was like she was countering you were dragging her down it was this struggle any little Edge any little Edge there is the difference between you walking away the new champ and you losing a decision yeah I mean any little Ed Ed there and that's where it comes down to people and that's where people get shady as

166:57exactly right shady as it's got to be the hardest feeling in the world though to know that the reason why you did win wouldn't that be I feel like that wouldn't be satisfying it can't be it can't be I don't know or if it is then it's just like why why why would you do why would you do a sport like that like I don't know I think sometimes people do it because they think other people are doing it too like I remember Fitch I had a conversation with Fitch once and he was like um I would never do anything this is that back when testosterone was legal and he was like I wouldn't do anything until I'm done he goes once I'm done fighting goes yeah I would definitely take hormone replacement therapy when I'm older and all this chance but right now he go I would want to know that I did everything I did by myself 100% then Fitch pissed hot oh then he got caught you know it's

167:45but he was fighting p harus and everybody knows P har might be doing a little something something you know and so I think maybe it was one of those things where he's like look this is not a Level Playing Field I'm not going to I'm not going to cheat myself while this guy's doing something yeah well and that's the problem was like if you know everyone starts cheating then you either have to or there's got to be a way to combat it and that's the aster on the pride days you know like that's the one thing you have to look at you got to go man amazing times but who knows what the everybody was doing yeah who knows what everybody was on yeah 100% yeah it's just scary it's it's really interesting and it's really interesting that this sport is so it's so it's so popular now and there's so much writing on it that it really sort of highlights all of this this moving and pushing of

168:35the boundaries and trying to achieve an edge you know how much can you achieve through supplementation like Natural Things Corps mushrooms and b12 and natural supplements and how much can you achieve through that and how close does it get to Illegal means yeah I don't know and I I think when money gets involved it always changes things too politics change a lot you know yeah it does it changes a lot so people are willing to do whatever they can to get that win and get that paycheck I guess some people not everyone but how do you have a plan for how long you want to do this you know I used to I used to think I had a plan that plan went out the window I I turned 29 I just turned 29 last August and um I still feel pretty damn good like you know it's weird that I feel that you know technically I've been doing this for 10 years but I still feel like I have so much to learn and so

169:29much to offer and I feel like I'm learning so quickly like man you you know I talked about the law of diminishing return all that I don't feel like that applies to me for some reason like I still feel like I'm just evolving so quickly and so rapidly especially with my striking because it wasn't something I ever focused on before is that's that sounds weird like I focus when did you start focusing on it um I started focusing on it more right before I fought Rhonda focusing on it but I I moved my Camp to Las Vegas like halfway through that training camp which was it needed to happen but it was bad timing in that I'm just I'm getting like couple new coaches and we don't have the lingo down yet and it's it's like a language you learned between your coaches and we didn't have that so there was definitely some hiccups but um after that you know I've won five fights and want a title

170:20you know so I think I definitely made the right move just maybe the timing was bad but I started focusing on it you know six weeks before that camp and then since then I've been working with my coach Jimmy gford um you know and he's helped me tremendously and focused more on my strength and conditioning actually making a regiment and doing doing all the things that I guess you're supposed to do as a professional athlete because before what I was doing just was kind of I was a little bit ignorant and you know I worked hard but worked harder not smart smarter kind of a thing now I have people back me I have a you know nutritionist I have a sports doctor I have a strength coach I have a striking coach I have a you know two MMA coaches and wrestling coach and they've got it all like and I feel like I finally figured it out finally have a good gym where I'm at and everything too so well

171:04that's where it all comes together right is when your dedication matches your talent matches your focus and your desire and it all comes together yeah and now as a champion do you feel like do do you do you have more confidence now being being a champion do you feel different like do you feel like I did it I belong here it's one thing to believe you can and it's another to know you can you know believing you can I mean that's important that's crucial you have to believe but it's entirely different once you know you're like and now I know and not not only do I know but everyone else knows too you know it's a different feeling it's a whole different animal it's a whole different ball game like i' something's changed inside me that that I can't explain something's just different and um feel like I hit a new level you feel very satisfied when you're saying this I can tell super

171:56confident super satisfied super confident but I'm still hungry I still feel like I have a lot to accomplish you know I have I think I have a really tough match in Amanda actually definitely do she Manda Nunes is no joke she dangerous no joke I remember did you watch her fight with Julia bud and Strikeforce when she knocked her out with that one one punch and Julia Bud was a bigger stronger girl and a striker she knocked her out me she's got one punch knockout power she showed up against McMahon you know she she she beat she beat down Sarah McMahon she beat her down she hit her so hard that just made her want to quit and then she climbed on her back and choked her out like man she's good she's well well dangerous she's very dangerous you know I think that she might have an issue with cardio if I was going to pick out pick at something that might be something maybe she's not as efficient

172:42in the cage but she's going be working to change that you know she knows this is a five round fight I can't I can't rely on someone getting tired right that's never a good game plan like okay I'm just going to try to stay out of Harm's Way until she gets tired like well she seems to explode in fights and then drain the gas tank like she's trying to stop people and if it doesn't work out that way she has a little bit of an issue I think like nine of her wins or something her first round finishes yeah she's a monster yeah very very strong Striker very physically strong person and she's kind of like a Browner black belt and Jiu-Jitsu and a brown or black belt and Judo Yep they're very well-rounded there's not that many girls in our division that are that well rounded um so she doesn't have a lot of holes in her game besides besides uh seeming to hit a wall sometimes in a fight and yeah

173:26and I think with her is one of the things that I said about Holly in the Ronda fight is like you look at how accomplished Holly is outside of the UFC and you wait until the moment when she could put it all together inside the octagon and she might put it all together inside the Octagon when the moment is the biggest when she has to rise to the occasion that might when you push her back against the wall it might be when you see her at her best and it turned out to be exactly that and someone like Amanda she's going to realize like this is the time this is the opportunity to put it all together can't half ass a thing in training a thing with Nutrition a thing with your mind she has to show up 100% focused and so for someone like you you have to look at her like her potential and look at all of all the best of her the girl that beat Sarah McMahon that's the one that

174:12I'm training you know and even better than that girl because we have to assume she's evolved but that's the best I think I've seen her look so I have to assume like she's going to be better than that even do you have goals as far as like what you want to do with the title who how long do you want to hold it do you have any thoughts in mind of like must beat opponents like is getting Ronda back in the Octagon yeah that's important I need that like that has to happen that's very important to me and I have Amanda ahead of me I do not want to look past her because I think that would be a huge mistake it's not one that I want to make as a veteran in my career that would be a rookie move um but you know in the back of my mind of course like the fight with Rhonda is something I want to happen and you don't know when it will happen it could be anticipated for November I've heard that

174:58be tossed around in the UFC that you know she's planning on coming back and maybe it might be Madison Square Garden that would be great I want to focus on that I want to focus on Amanda but I know in the back of my mind and I want I want that fight like I want that to happen I think it's so important to me in my career to go and beat Rhonda and prove everyone else like I've been an underdog in most of my fights fights I've been the person that people have always counted out in my entire career my entire life most people are telling me you can't you couldn't you shouldn't you wouldn't and I'm you know that's I'm fine with that I'm perfectly fine with that I am at the best point of my career and Rhonda is at the worst you know she's going through what I've already been through you know time and time again and I have built myself back up from that point time and time again I

175:44know that I can do that I'm confident in that here I am standing the strongest that I've ever and I've already been through that I've already been head kicked and knocked out that happened to me before like I picked myself up pulled myself up on my bootstraps put one foot back in front of the other and worked got my Strike Force World title I lost sond picked myself back up put one foot in front of the other got back on the horse fought fought fought fought R again youc was devastated crushed thought my world was just falling down around me coming to an end got back up you put one foot in front of the other got back on the horse and now Here I Am the world champion you know I know that I'm tough I know that I have what it takes to beat Rhonda many people don't believe that that's okay I've been in this position before many most people didn't think I was going to beat Holly

176:31most people didn't think Holly was going to beat Ronda it doesn't matter to me what other people think it matters what I believe and what I know and um the question mark is what how is Rhonda going to come back from this I know what I've been hearing from Rhonda in the media and the Press um she's been a little quiet lately L but before that it wasn't what I would have expected to hear from someone who really wants to come back and who's really really a fighter at the core she's a great athlete she's a great fighter she's accomplished a lot of things credit where credits do you know I give her a round of applause for everything she's been able to accomplish but I'll tell you what every time I've ever lost in my career I went bananas to get back in there ballistic I was like I have to like right now just like Holly was like they're like when do you want to fight

177:17again she's like tomorrow against Misha now that's what you want to hear when someone has a devastating loss they want to get back in there right now and face that person right now or or someone else just get that loss off the Record erase it when I lost the cat Zeno I freaked out I freaked out I called Shan Shelby I was like get me another fight right now he's like your nose isn't even healed I don't give a I want to I want to fight I want it now I want to know it's when it's coming up like right now or I'm going to freak out I don't know what to tell you but I'm going to lose my if I don't have like a fight on the horizon I'm lose it and then I hear Rhonda like I'm going to take a year off and I'm going to you know I'm going to do this I'm I'm like that just doesn't sound like someone who really wants this anymore and I think that fight might have broke her I could be wrong but I think

178:06something inside of her is different than it was before um maybe she's not broken but it's different how much do you think a factor is how much of a factor do you think success is is in the in terms of she's doing movies she's she was the the darling of all these late night television shows and everybody wanted to hang out with her just doing the these commercials with you know Seth Rogan on television like how much of a factor is that well she has security now she has job security outside the UFC so she doesn't really need that anymore and I think maybe that's also something on her mind is like does she really want this because winning is awesome it's great it's easy it's like when you win everybody loves you every every body supports you everybody's there everybody's on your train when you lose sucks it sucks and only the people that really love you are still

178:58really really there for you everyone else is just like oh whatever loser and then you have the social media you know white nights that come out and want to tell you what a you know piece of you are and how you're never going to accomplish anything and you'll never win another fight and you might as well just quit and retire blah blah blah so those people and you have to make a choice you know and and my Choice has always been to do to to to keep fighting you know to and and I just don't I don't recognize there's a lot of things I recognize in Rhonda that I can I can recognize her greatness I can recognize you know her Championship I can recognize things I don't identify with that I don't identify with sitting on that loss for a year I cannot understand it if it was me it would have eaten me alive inside and out 10 I couldn't have done it I couldn't be making a movie I couldn't be

179:44doing that I would it would have just but did she I I think she has a choice I think if you have movie contracts I think you have to fulfill them I do you I don't know does Conor have to show up for but it's different but showing up for press conferences is one thing yeah but I don't think I think she could have she could have fought because they they said they had anticipated for her to come back at UFC 200 they wanted that and they and and Dana said she could have but should she she could have but should she well I think the could have and should she was because she had to do a movie for three months so like doing the movie for three months would have taken three months outside of a camp and you've done a movie before you know what it's like you're on the set all day 16 hour days it's long and grueling you don't have time to train yeah but after a loss like that I think you really have

180:32to have enough time to actually focus and then on top of that to getting getting flatlined like that like you have to have a some time to recover to recover your head yeah absolutely I just don't know if a year that would I'm just saying that would crush me I would be able to do what she's doing right now right I wouldn't physically be able to like to deal with that for a year and and if I had to I think it would eat me alive like I think I'd be so depressed and so I'm pretty sure it's eating her alive too yeah but but how do you sit on it for a year then how do you do that do what you got to do I can't I couldn't we you know it's all speculation we only we don't know until she comes back and then but the other thing too is like you know she's like you know she had her you know her Downs her her really really low which I empathize with I've been there um you know but

181:20then she said you know I was thinking about you know these all these negative thoughts and and um then I looked up on she said this on the show I looked up and I saw Travis Brown and I realized you know I've got to stick around to have his babies and I thought like what would have went through my mind is like I got to get back and get my title back I got to get back and like win a fight like it it just seemed like her mindset was different than what I would expect a Fighter's mindset to be does that make sense at all like but I'm what I'm saying is like it didn't seem like her motivation was to to fight and win again it was there was other things now I'm not saying she's not going to come back and be great or come back and and fight not questioning that I'm questioning where her true motivation is coming from because I think while she was winning it was so awesome like she's

182:09like well yeah I want to keep doing this of course I want to keep I keep I'm crushing girls I'm demolishing I'm I'm the star all these great things are coming now she already has that she's already making she already has millions of millions of dollars is her true motivation was it just you know keeping that undefeated streak because she talked about that so much you know I will retire undefeated and then she she even said like I don't you know I'm questioning what am I doing now like you know now I'm not going to ever retire undefeated so what is my you know maybe I'm meant for this maybe I meant she doesn't really know that was her identity was like to be undefeated in this sport so if if that's not the goal anymore I just don't know know like I feel like I sense something off I sense something is not right in her mindset and I think she's going to come back and I think she's

182:54going to fight I think she'll fight hard but I just don't know if she still has it after a brutal loss like that you know is she still hungry enough those are fighting words me tate is she hungry enough that's the question but it's what you're doing right now is you're you're throwing up the bat signal right yeah well that's how I feel you're laying it down man I get a lot of because people are like oh you know that's not I don't I don't apologize for anything that I say unless I really say it's something that was that I didn't mean to say that was hurtful to someone and I'm like a I up but honestly if it's my opinion it's my opinion if you don't like it I'm not I'm not going to apologize for my opinion apologize for anything that I you know that I have to say about the way I feel about Rhonda the way I feel about any any of these situations you know so I'm just I'm I'm going to be as

183:42transparent I I don't think you're saying anything disrespectful either and I don't think you're saying anything you should I think as a champion and that's what you are you you're analyzing someone's mindset and you're totally entitled to that yeah and I have a lot of respect for Ronda as an athlete you know a lot you guys think you'll ever be friends after all said and done no never I don't think so no I think she thinks that I've done so many things and like I don't think she would ever I think she blames me for things that I didn't even do so I mean how do you even get around that right you know like I heard when you guys did your interview she said something like that I called a promotion and like tried to get Chris beel like um mess with him before like his fight or something that that that I guess he I guess he was contracted to another promotion and he wasn't supposed to be

184:30while he was on The Ultimate Fighter and I guess that that Dana received a call and then they thought that I she thought that I like did that I'm like first of like first of all like I didn't even know he signed to another organization at all and if he you know like if he was it didn't even wouldn't have even crossed my mind like I'm too like you said I'm too easygoing to even think of something like that and I'm not malicious by any means I have nothing against Chris beel but I think she thought that I tried to like mess with him like I called the promoter of whatever organization little small contract don't even know how I would have known that right how would you even know that how do you know but this is the same girl that ripped Paige for for congratulating Holly like she has her way of thinking and she's going to hate me until the day she dies and I'm okay

185:17with that that's fine we don't need to be friends that's okay you know I'm perfectly fine with that all right yeah well listen congratulations on everything what you did in that Holly Hol fight was amazing it's awesome and I think you're a great representative for women's martial arts for martial arts period but as a champion I think you are a great representative just your personality the way you carry yourself is very admirable and I think you're a great role model for people that are coming up and looking at what a champion behaves like oh I appreciate it Joe very kind words thanks for being on the podcast too thanks for hanging out thanks for finally having me fun anytime my fans finally bother you enough to get me on here people bother me constantly there's nothing I can do I only have so much time thank you very much Misha for sure all right folks we'll be back Friday

186:08with uh Ian Edwards see you then