Robert Downey Jr.

00:00boom so we're talking about losing eyesight yes you you actually take comfort in the fact that your eyesight is starting to dwindle you want to chase it at first I was like I'm fine then I'm 42 then it's like let's try some ones then it's one two fives then it's one fives what are you on now uh I stopped because I have so many fucking glasses some of them are ones some of them are two fives it's like it's like uh you know what I mean yeah I do know what you mean but But what I appreciate is you know where you're at by what you're able to retain if you fight for it and the things that are going no matter what you do. Now I've heard there's some Israeli guy who's got this app, probably from Laird, got this app and you do it and you get your eyesight back. And sometimes it's about I don't need to try to use something to hold on to everything.

00:52I want to pick the five or seven things that I definitely want to hold on to. and I want to watch the rest of it go in and out with the tides. I agree with that in some ways, but if there was a real thing where you could get your eyesight back, I would definitely be on that. I don't think there is a real thing. Lasix? It's not real. Well, Lasix has several problems. You can get it if you have problems with your vision, but we have macular degeneration that's coming from age. Age-related macular degeneration, Lasix doesn't really fix that. But I know people who were wearing glasses and then got Lasix and they don't wear glasses anymore. Yes, that's a fact. But also sometimes they get one eye too close up and one eye for distance. It's even more fun. Half the eye exams I've gotten wind up fucking me two weeks later like, these don't work. Yeah.

01:42What about the loss of a sense that you're accustomed to being fine annoys you? What about it? Yeah. I like being able to see things. read labels in particular like how many of these fuckers am I supposed to take you know and what's in here you know like how many milligrams what's in what does that say also this shit but it's also funny to go up to like a little lutron pad and have to go like that to me I just it's a gas really interesting except the things you cannot change now if someone comes in and says joe bob I got it we're done come over here it's easy or it's a supplement or do this for two weeks or stop doing this this and this then there's a trade-off yes well I'm down for anything that actually works to make your eyesight come back but I have heard of nothing everybody that I've heard of this might be our project then because

02:36you care and I don't so we have a nice balance there's a guy named david sinclair that I talked to he's a professor at harvard yeah is it m it where the fuck is he it's harvard he's they're doing some work with people that have serious eye diseases and serious injuries and they're actually injecting some form of bacteria that has been encoded with some miracle cure for degeneration and they can detach retinas, fix things. Incredible. Yeah. So they're working on some stuff. Yeah. So maybe in the future. You won't have twos and ones and 1.5s and just have one injection. I've alighted to greener pastures. I'm sure there's going to be other issues and hurdles that you're going to go eyesight. I don't fucking time to have real shit going on here. Yeah, I'm sure too. I'm concerned about that. That thing that you're wearing around your neck. Yes.

03:26Being as you are obviously known as being Iron Man, are you concerned with wearing a large thing in the exact same spot? No. Did you ever think of that? Life is funny because I was doing this before I ever got fitted for the RT. So it was more of art imitating oddball stuff I was doing anyway. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh. But Iron Man, this is even more interesting because maybe you were born to be Iron Man because Iron Man obviously had that from the comic books. Loosely prearranged destiny. And what's incredible is how far afield you can go from it and still find your way back. Yeah. Well, there's been... The whole superhero genre thing is so interesting to me because there's so many reboots and there's so many... Like, how many fucking Spider-Mans have there been? How many Hulks have there been? There's only one Iron Man, though. You got that. Thus far. What year is it? Thus far.

04:23Get the fuck out of here. You're Iron Man, man. It's just like certain dudes just own a role. And if anybody else tried to be Iron Man, we'd be like, nah. Well, interestingly enough, East Coaster, a dad of some renown, very different. My dad was a kind of a underground filmmaker, auteur maverick. I grew up definitely being Bob Downey Sr.'s kid. Spent time on Long Island, which is, I think, where Tony was raised. But when Stan Lee was really thinking that through, it was the Vietnam era and he was thinking about the military industrial complex. He was thinking about how about if I can throw a little bit of not politics in here but karma. And he gets shrapnel by the own thing and it becomes – so – and then of course there was the whole demon in the bottle. I think he was the first superhero who ever like had the – almost like hang up his jersey because he was hammered.

05:30So I mean yeah, there was obviously – but again, once something goes your way, you can draw all the parallels you want and you can call it destiny. But it was something that I definitely felt drawn to and I definitely fought for. And looking back on it, I go, why was I fighting for that? Because it turned out to be a pretty special thing. Well, it was an amazing thing. I mean, you embodied it in a very strange way. I mean, it's inexorable at this point. Which is why I thought it was cool that you're going to do Dr. Doolittle. Because I love the fact – like I'm a fan of your work. You've done a lot of great stuff. Likewise. And you – doing Dr. Doolittle is like a cool – it's – I don't want to say you're not taking yourself seriously, but you're taking a risk. Trust that I'm not. But you're taking – I mean, this is a fun kids movie about a guy who talks to animals. Yeah. You know?

06:25I mean, that's a great break. Because, like, if you're Iron Man – like, there's certain people that, for whatever reason, become a role, and that is it. That's what we will accept. You are that guy and you're not doing that. You're able to, through your talent and through your ability to take chances, you're able to be a bunch of different things as well as be the Iron Man. Yeah. I mean don't we – I don't know. If I'm noticing anything now, it's that we need to shift and we need new challenges. And just like MMA and society and politics, things are moving and morphing and the information age is making things so – everything is learning and growing from everything so quickly and improving or disproving or discounting whatever is happening next. But for me, I heard that this was on the table. My missus, who's my creative partner in all things, said, Steve Gagan.

07:27I was like, I know Steve Gagan. Siriana. Really? What did he do? He wrote, wow, that's a big turn for him. And then I said, but why do I want to? And I looked out. And we live on a rescue farm. We have alpacas and goats and cooney cooney pigs. And it's just crazy. And I was like, OK, same way I did with Iron Man a little bit. I was like, all right, there's something here. And then before I signed on, I was just Googling like weirdest Welsh doctor. I just want to think of – I don't want to just do another English accent. So there's this guy, William Price, who's a nutty Welsh doctor. He was a neo-Druidist. He was someone who believed like we could communicate with all nature and all that stuff. So I sent a picture of this wild-looking guy wearing like a suit with stars on it and like a staff in his hand. I sent that to Gagan and he goes, that looks right to me.

08:20I was like, great, let's do this movie. And literally that's it. It's always it. You know what I mean? It's always that thing of you click and you go, here's my sense. What do you think? And then the other gal or the guy says, yeah, let's lean into that. And then you go, but do this and that. Hey, will you give me some of this? And he'd go, yeah. And all of a sudden, you're in a synergy. It's like a good interview, like a good fight, like a good dinner. It just kind of happens. There's the gentleman right there. That's a crazy look. Yeah. To me, I just thought that's – can Doolittle be like that? He goes, does he have to be that way the whole way through? I go, no, no, no. When they find him, he's a recluse. And then the animals, like, clean him up. And then he looks less unhandsome or less weird for the kids for the rest of the movie. But let's find him like that.

09:09This concept of things just sort of falling into place. I'm a big believer in that too. Yeah. What is that though? Is that you getting out of your own way? Like what is that? Isn't that 70% of it? Yeah. Yeah. I'd say it's 70% maintenance of what can I do to do my part to stay out of the way. and then the other part I always think of it as like this little super thin invisible thread but you can feel the tug and you just kind of you have to be really gentle and you have to pause when agitated and you have to go for it when you're gonna like there's four walls in here which one has the map behind it you it's that one and you knock down the wall and it's there Yeah, what is that though? Synchronicity? Yeah. Intuition? But labeling it is very dangerous because it's so filled with woo.

10:06So it's, you know, there's so many people that are hucksters that have like made a career out of sort of like labeling it and defining it or teaching you how to get to it. It's great because it's the commodity that you can't capitalize on. And yet, if you don't show proof of its existence, you shouldn't even be qualified to speak on it. I don't know. It's the big I don't know. But when it happens, whether it happens with love or with friendship or with a career or with a path you're taking, you just know there's a smile. There's an inner smile like, yeah, this is it. Well put. I found it. This is it. I'm supposed to be doing this. Here we go. Here we go. Yeah. And I really feel it's so funny at this point in my life and being kind of middle-aged and all that. Well, I know I'm going to fly around the world and I'm going to sell some soap.

10:58And I know I have a new project and I know I've just retired my jersey on this 12-year journey I've been on. And how do I want to start? And it came up. Would you like it? I go, yes, that's exactly what I'm going to do. I want to go have the Joe Rogan experience and kick off this year and this season and this new chapter by doing what I love, which is an interview. We're looking at each other and there's a give and take. Is the door to Iron Man totally closed? Because I don't believe it is. Oh. You guys can go through time now. You can go. There was – you already opened up that door. Let me ask you the question. if I pick the jersey back up and put it on wouldn't you feel a little bit like oh crap here's what I think they go through a few semi lackluster Avengers movies without you you ready for this here's a scene there's a moment where the world's fate

11:53is at stake and they realize they need a super genius and then they figure out how to restart that time machine great come on man Is that the audience sees you when you, when you step out of that thing? Is this your, and can we, you want a little arc on it too? Because if this is your idea, then you got to show up for it too. I'll do it. I'll show up. What do I have to do? I don't know. I'll do whatever I have to do. We all have to do whatever Kevin Feige says. I'll hold the thing. I'll hold the clap thing. Do they still have that? Clap. They do. They do. It's digital. I'll hold that digital thing. I'll do it. But the way people would freak out if you came back. Come on, man. think about it take a few years off do a few dr dolittles a couple more sherlock holmes you know it's interesting watching uh eddie murphy in this last little period of time and I was talking to

12:44colin jost last night who got to sit next to him at the golden globes and who was there and you know on the show and writing for him with him when he hosted recently and I go it's just incredible our culture never encourages taking a break never encourages saying don't chase that thing because you've got it in your hands and I love the idea that if you're if you're good at what you do then it's not about time it's about it doesn't matter when you decide to pick up the mantle again it's just about but it's scary isn't it could you imagine like if they just said hey joe just don't do the show for four years and then come back and do it again you'd be like it's a lifetime who knows what's yeah well with eddie what's interesting is he was arguably the greatest of his era and just stopped just stopped for 30 years and no one does that no one who's that good and then when you see him

13:51I don't know if you ever saw him he received some award and he was on a panel you know and uh Sitting in front of a podium, rather, and he was talking about Bill Cosby. And he was doing this routine about them taking away Bill Cosby's awards. And it was fucking brilliant. And the timing was so good. And all of us, comics, were just sitting there going, he could do it tomorrow. He could just get up there tomorrow and he'd be fucking murdering. Yes. But it would be different. It would be different. He's a different human. Yeah. You know, that's one of the more interesting things about it. It's him talking about some of the more homophobic stuff that he did in the past. Now it makes him cringe and you just can't believe he was that person. But, you know, he was when he did delirious, I think he was like 22 or something crazy like that, which is just bonkers that he was that good.

14:37Anyway, I've been thinking about him lately in relation to a bunch of things, but also just that particularly nowadays, giving yourself permission to not have to jump because, you know, strike the iron's hot. all that stuff and maybe it's just as a bit of an anxiety to the times which I remember too speaking of past generations I remember growing up 1974 nixon's black and white tv getting impeached my dad and his buddies are whooping it up but they're still pissed and I'm going like wow it's it's not worse or or or better it's different but now it's on us yeah so there's the a bit of urgency and that that whole thing and just being able to say like so to answer your question to me uh starting up again is off the table I feel I've done all I could with that character there would have to be a super compelling argument and a series of events that that made it obvious

15:38to it but the other thing is I want to do other stuff right of course yeah of course yeah what you're talking about about nixon and people get people can lose themselves in current events And what I mean by that, like, it doesn't necessarily completely, your life is more than what's going on in Washington. You know, Hunter Thompson talked about that when he was running for sheriff in Aspen. He was talking about how local politics, like your neighborhood, that's real. This actually can affect your life. Like, what's going on in Washington, how much does that affect your day-to-day existence? It's very little. But for some people, it becomes an enormous portion of the real state of their mind. It takes over most of their day-to-day consciousness where they're consumed with it. And it becomes a thing they're cheering for or they're rooting against.

16:30And then your life revolves on something that you have very little power over. Teams, turf wars. Yeah. Interests. Yeah. think globally act locally yes I mean it's a beautiful statement it really is it's one of those cliches that you don't even think about but then I didn't know that was hunter in that picture out there to me it looked like joe walsh could as easily fit joe walsh I mean he moved to colorado too oh wow yeah the rocky mountain way oh damn if he didn't yeah he once told me I'll speak out of school he said now you should just watch tv for a year bro thanks joe and by the way he's probably right probably right look if you just hung back and just did nothing but watch tv for a year the fucking ideas you would have you'd have you you'd probably have a really rock solid idea of of what's going on his was more trying to have enough things going on that I wouldn't have any

17:34ideas for a year and then I give myself a break for you maybe that's good too see I'm thinking differently I'm thinking like analyze the landscape I think uh joe walsh is one of the most underrated guys ever because he changed the fucking eagles the eagles were one thing and then joe walsh came around like victim of love that's joe walsh yeah he came around and just and all sudden there was a rock to it it's like they were kicking down doors and lighting shit on fire it was different there was an edge to it you know he's he added crazy he added crazy to this beautiful harmony and I love it when the guys that added crazy go up to the thin veil between dimensions and say I think I'm going to stay put yeah and all of a sudden they represent stability they represent uh being okay hanging up your guns yeah and just being you know

18:32well that's what that's everything everyone has to accept that at some point in time right I mean maybe that's you and your glasses right yeah because everyone has to accept that at one point time you're gonna have to get off the ride but when you're doing great and you're kicking it like boxers are a perfect example they always last too long there's only been a small handful like andre ward recently marvelous marvin haggler in his prime they just go that's it I'm done and they actually are done almost every one of them comes back and almost every one of them chases that dragon here's why I love you you're making an argument for and also the argument against me coming back and doing another yeah listen I'm not married to anything except my wife but I'm not married to any ideas all the ideas that I have are just like hmm maybe that idea sucks I'm I I

19:18love you as iron man so I would I would if you if they opened up this time machine and you popped out I just imagine the moment where everybody goes fucking crazy it would be amazing it'd be great I would love that but I would also love you hanging it up yeah it's look it's just first First of all, it's 2020 and I'm not an OCD guy, but I keep thinking, see clearly. See clearly even if your vision is going. And it's difficult because I feel like we all just get buffeted by feelings and ego or fears or little chips of resentments or intuitions that are tied to something maybe higher but you think is out of your reach or whatever. So it was a perfect time. And I got to go have dinner with a bunch of the Marvel folks last night and kind of have just a little bit of extra closure because, you know, the movie came out and it was bananas.

20:17And the directors were sending me pictures of like people flipping out in theaters when Tony snaps. And I was like, whoa, this is kind of like a really big cultural thing. But then like Victoria Alonzo, who's the head of VFX for all these movies, a literal super genius or Kevin Feige or Favreau or Scarlett or some people that have just been there with it for a long time. We were there experiencing it all when it came out. And then we'd see each other on a red carpet and it's not intimate. And then we kind of hadn't really had a chance just to do nothing, just hang out and have some crudité and kind of talk shit. So it was really interesting being here today because yesterday was this kind of – last night was this kind of real – felt like closing the circle on things a bit. That's got to be bittersweet. Yeah.

21:08but I like that I like that you want to move on and I like that you want to and I like that you're doing something like Dr. Doolittle because that's that like you've done a lot of wild shit in your life you've got a lot of wild shit in your career but you sort of embody every new chapter with the same kind of energy although there's a different result and different piece of art it's all the same you and that's one of the more interesting things about people and particular actors because actors get to be a bunch of different things and it's one of the weirder things about that craft like when you see uh you know a guy who's uh like daniel day lewis who like embodies these different humans like literally becomes different humans it's but it's always daniel day lewis you know what I mean like even though he plays these these you know the there will be blood guy and all these

22:01different psychopaths and various fascinating characters it's always the energy like you're you're pumped to see him do it right and I think that's I feel the same way with you it's like I know there's you're an interesting guy there's a lot of shit going on in your head so when you dive into something whatever it is whether it's your character from tropic thunder or whatever it is like you're you're gonna it's gonna be robert downey jr diving into something so I would imagine it would be kind of annoying, even though you were brilliant at Iron Man to stay Iron Man. Yeah. Well, fortunately, I don't have to find out, right? It's just interesting, too. You know, life is doing something. And, you know, I'm at this place. It's also, it baffles me confidence. what is what does it really mean there was a period of time where I felt like I did uh I did

22:59the first iron man and then I went and did tropic thunder and then I was doing the first sherlock and I had my shirt off and I was doing martial I was like I was all over the place and it just felt like I was I was hitting triples no matter what I did and um and then people are like are you really as confident as you seem and I was like I guess right now I am yeah and then and I think this go I mean this reminds me we were just talking about the uh um mcgregor uh cowboy fight coming up you know it's like it's you're gonna go to that I'm gonna watch it how can you not watch it you know two brilliant uh souls who cannot lose neither one of them can afford to lose this fight wow that is a matchup yeah particularly cowboy doesn't want to lose no but there's this guy who's the the poster child the guy who's the the one right the chosen one that's connor and then

23:59this cowboy who's like I think I can fuck that guy up the journeyman yeah yeah so confidence you know there's been times when I felt I'm in possession of it and then you want to let go a little bit because it's only ever the moment and life guiding you the wind is so at your back that you're like wow are you just are you just you know jumping over the waves and all that by yourself and you're like you bet I am but there's a physics to the moment man moment machine whatever and the winds at your back and then the wind does what the fucking wind does and it changes and if you're left there thinking what you know so I think it's great to be in full possession of what you would call supreme confidence and then see what happens if you don't hold on to it so hard because it's great but it is a bit of an illusion because like everything else it's always changing

24:54and every day the reset button the space bar gets pressed and it's like now what yeah the reset button yeah that that you yeah you kind of have to have a confidence to jump into some of the roles that you've taken though but I I see what you're saying like that you don't want to hold on to it because it could come go I remember uh warren beaty who I learned so many amazing things from uh I was doing a movie called the pickup artist with molly ringwald I remember that movie okay and he was kind of the de facto producer of it uncredited and uh he taught me a lot about just acting and what it was and he said uh he said what's your what's your action in this scene and I was like oh no he's asking me I was like uh my action I'm picking up girls he goes what's your action in this scene and I was like I'm driving a car and he asked me like you know

25:47that thing sometimes when someone asks you a question and just you you get caught flat-footed and he goes no your action is you're trying to go to work but you're getting distracted by this addiction you have to trying to get laid so your action is you're trying to get to work and I was like oh yeah he's right and he said always know what your action is because then when you come in in the morning confident or when you come in in the morning you can't hit your ass with both hands you know what to do so to me one of the great lessons I learned from him was oh yeah just boil down what it is you're doing whether there's a camera around or just what am I doing today today I'm showing up and I'm trying to be honest and also to listen and learn. But really my action today is I'm beginning a process of promotion. Warren Beatty is another guy who learned how to put his guns down. Yeah. Yeah.

26:52I remember watching that Madonna movie. Remember when he was dating Madonna? Truth or Dare. Yeah. And he's hanging around with her. She's in the throes of fame and everything. and he's like, what in the fuck is going on here? And you see him. Yeah, like he's never seen it. Yeah, but he's an older gentleman now. He's the best. And he's hanging out with her and just shaking his head. And that kind of marked it for me where Warren Beatty just realized, all right, let me step away real quick. If I had to talk to him, one of the things I would ask him is, what was it like when Carly Simon writes a song about you? That's got to be a trip. So many. I mean, we should do a whole session just about things I learned from Warren Beatty. Yeah? I'm telling you. I would imagine. He's a brilliant guy, clearly. Do you think that you could do Tropic Thunder today? Would that be possible?

27:45Oh, you could do it. And again, like Eddie, you know, I look back to me. that movie to me was a circle back to my dad's movie called putney swope which I highly recommend anyone who hasn't seen to see about a black guy who takes over an ad agency in the 60s because everyone votes for him when the head of the company dies because they think no one else will and it's about what happens when someone who is free-spirited takes over an essentially corrupt endeavor. And then he realizes and confronts his own corruption. But I remember I was probably two or three when that was being shot and when it came out and it was so a part of my upbringing. And I just remembered some of the folks that were around my dad at that time. And so when Ben called and said, hey, I'm doing this thing. And, you know, I think maybe Sean Penn had passed on it or something like that, possibly wisely.

28:46And I thought, yeah, I'll do that, and I'll do that after Iron Man. And then I started thinking, this is a terrible idea. Wait a minute. And then I thought, well, hold on, dude. Get real here. Where is your heart? And my heart is, A, I get to be black for a summer in my mind. So there's something in it for me. the other thing is I get to hold up to nature the insane self-involved hypocrisy of artists and what they think they're allowed to do on occasion just my opinion and also ben who is a masterful artist and director probably the closest thing to a charlie chaplin that I've experienced in my lifetime. He writes, he directs, he acts. If you had seen him when he was directing this movie, you would have been like, I'm watching David Lean, I'm watching Chaplin, I'm watching Coppola. He knew exactly what the vision for this was. He executed it. It was impossible to not have it be

29:52an offensive nightmare of a movie. And 90% of my black friends are like, dude, that was great. What about the other 10%? You know, I can't disagree with them, but I know where my heart was. And I think that it's never an excuse to do something that is out of place and not of its time. But to me, it was just putting a – it was a blasting cap on – and by the way, I think White Chicks came out pretty soon after that. I was like, I love that. I was like, that was great. Yeah. So, you know. Well, it might be the last time we see that, unless things change. It seems like no one can really – I don't think you could do blackface anymore. I mean we almost lost the prime minister of Canada because he did brownface. He pretended to be Saudi Arabian, right? He did Arabian nights in high school or something like that?

30:50It's an interesting and necessary meditation on where is the pendulum, why is the pendulum right? Whereas the pendulum may be cutting a little into what could be perceived as heart in the right place, openness of its time. But again, I mean, you know, there's a morality clause here on this planet and it's a big price to pay. And I think having a moral psychology is job one. So sometimes you just got to go, yeah, you know, I effed up. Again, not in my defense, but Tropic Thunder was about how wrong that is. Yes. So I take exception. No, I think you could do it today. I think you could. I think it could be done today. There would be so much outrage, but there would also be people cheering. and if we boiled down all the bullshit and got to the actual result of what the film did, it's fucking hilarious. I watched it again about a year and a half ago. It's a great movie.

32:05It's a great, fun movie. I mean, it's ridiculous, over-the-top, hilarious, and it worked. And your portrayal, I mean, it wasn't egregious. It was necessary. It made sense. All of it fit. But it all, there's square pegs and square holes. I was just thinking square pegs. I don't know why I was thinking. Oh, I was thinking about Sarah Jessica Parker on the ride over there. Isn't that crazy? I think I drove by. Is that Warner Park near here? Yeah, yeah. I think she went to school over there when she was doing a show. Anyway, interesting. Yeah. It worked. But it might be the last time we'll ever see a studio take a chance on a guy wearing blackface and the prolific use of the word retard. Those are two things. And by the way, that's a Ben. The funny thing too was all the heat got deflected to Ben and Simple Jack. Yeah. That's what people were pissed off about. And I go, whoo, great.

33:06But you never know when it's going to be your time in the barrel. You know, sometimes life just says, you know what? And I've been on both sides of that coin. Sometimes life just says, you're a symbol now. Did you have anybody that was telling you not to do it? Were there agents or anyone? My mother was horrified. Really? Bobby, I'm telling you, I have a bad feeling. I was like, yeah, me too, Mom. Anyway, how are we? First day on set where they're putting the makeup on you. How hard are you sweating? There's been a couple times. I was all the night before and we were on Kauai and I was like, well, here we go. And I was just running. I think I had six lines that day. But I knew that there was going to be choppers. There was going to be squib fire. There was going to be choreography. There was going to be, you know, it was going to be cacophonous.

34:08And the only thing that mattered to me, again, what's my action? My action as an actor in this movie is to know what I'm doing. even if what I'm doing is insane. So I ran those six or eight lines I had a thousand times lying in bed over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. So the next day I was free to enjoy myself and not be struggling to wonder what it was I was supposed to be doing. And then that's what it is. It was just, you know, it was one little mosaic after the next. And by the end of it, I had some pride that AI had made it through. Forget that it was blackface. It was special effects makeup day after day after day after day after day after day after day, except for the times when I would have my bleached hair and blue contacts in my eyes or other characters. And it was just a piece of work I was doing.

35:06and I cared about doing it as professionally and as honestly as I could so when you memorize lines that's an interesting thing that you said that you were free to to do it like when you memorize lines is there ever a part like when you're acting where you have to think like okay what am I supposed to say next and how much does that get in the way there's look I have a very broad band of uh of tolerances I don't care if the people I'm with happen to not know what they're doing or don't know their lines or stepping on my lines or or whatever or want to change their lines and my lines and it's always a different uh thing it's like reading the room it's like you know if I was a fighter you go on the octagon and they go you ready you ready and you go and then you just do it you go in but so I've had it where I would try

36:03to be off book before everyone else I would get it down to an acronym so if there was a thousand words I had to remember I would just remember the first letter of each and I would put it on a piece of poster board and then I would stand away from it not as far as you and your your archery setup over there but far enough away to where I can see it but kind of can't see it back when my vision was a little more clear and I would just run it and run it and run it. When I did the first Sherlock, we were rewriting it so much and I would have pages and pages of stuff. I was like, give me an earwig. And it helped me with my accent. And then I started getting into like, you know, it's so great. I can finish work, go home, hang out with my kids or do whatever I want to do, go train. And in the morning they can change it all they want. I don't have to trip if at all,

36:48Unless it's some monologue that you want to really be committed to that's not going to shift. I'd just go like that. So you'd put one of those little earpieces in and they would feed you the lines. Yeah. And now I've kind of gone as far as you can go with that. And I'll probably go back to a new method or a new version of the old method. So it's basically improvisational. Like you decide with whatever preparation you're going to do for each role how you're going to do it. whether you're going to go and memorize everything obsessively or whether you're just going to be a little bit more loose and free with it. Yes. It depends on the script too. Like Tropic Thunder, Justin Theroux wrote that script with Ben. It was a really good script. I mean my missus who next to my mother, probably more so, was the opinion I was really waiting on.

37:36And she was reading in the kitchen laughing her ass off. She goes, this is so wrong. This is so wrong. And she goes, and it's so true. If you do this right, you're doing something that's – it's about a bunch of self-involved idiots somehow or other becoming heroes. And she goes, I love that. If that's what it stays, then it's going to be good. And so like for instance, the never go full. Yeah. You don't even want to say it. No. By the way, I guarantee you I'm getting out of here. My stock is not plummeting when I leave here. I'm not smoking dope. I'm not doing a musk. I'm going to do everything right. His stock went up the next day. All right. Drop six went up nine. With who? I don't know. I don't understand it. I love that you now have it. Now it's a piece of art. Yeah. With 6% in the smoke. God bless his heart. Yeah, it just changes. It just changes.

38:34And I also know that I don't really know that much, and it's different every time anyway. but some I really like when you have a loose concept of what you're doing there's certain parts that aren't going to change much and the rest you discover so the first Iron Man I mean John and I and the and the writers or John and I we we were just would write you write a line I'll write a line and then we would we were literally watching the puppies be born as we did it frustrating for people who not Gwyneth because she can look at a piece of paper and then go okay I get it and she's got it all memorized she's amazing but what's for the highest good sometimes it's very self-indulgent to come in and like you know hand out new pages or say oh I'm not saying that so feed me that you know what I mean you need an environment of respect but I I like

39:25I like discovering things how much of acting is managing those weird relationships that you have with these other people that you're acting with. You've made some references to people changing other people's lines and not being prepared. I got out of acting for that very reason. That was the thing that I went from a world of stand-up comedy, which are just a bunch of crazy people, to actors, which are a bunch of crazy people but in a different way. And managing all the different characters and all the different personalities, how hard is that? That seems like that could really get in the way. Well, yeah, sure it can. And it's like a thumbprint. Every time you're on a new project, it's a completely different, you know, fingerprint. You never know what you're going to get. And sometimes projects seem blessed and sometimes you could say they're cursed.

40:20But again, my Susan Downey Esquire was talking about this yesterday. She goes, it's the only thing you can't overcome as a creative producer on a big movie or anything is in principle, no matter what happens, you can fix it. Oh, we lost the light. Oh, the thunder. The weather came in. OK, he got sick. Oh, she's pregnant. OK, great. Change the costume. You can't overcome personalities. Yeah, the relationships that people have with each other. Do you meet up before you commit to a role? Do you ever say, like, I want to meet Captain America and find out what the fuck that guy's really like? By the way, I mean, I love that you think I'd have the authority. Did you cast this guy? All right, let me get a taste of him. No, I was just going to say, like, I'm really interested in doing that. But can we all have a group dinner or something like that? Can I meet these guys?

41:14Find out if someone's crazy. My MO is always let's mind melt. Let's get together. Let's work weekends. Let's spend time together because you can't replace that familiarity. So you have to try to build it. And sometimes it happens very naturally. Like I adore Chris Evans. I can't even tell you why. He's a Boston guy. He's technically such a brilliant actor, but he also doesn't take himself seriously. He's flaky, but he's the first guy you would want to have your back if something went down. And he's – and yet we're different enough where I feel like by being who we are and then both having those characters, we were able to – I think – I thought Civil War was a special moment in the arc of the Marvel films about turning one against the other and what it meant. And so sometimes you just get lucky.

42:09As a matter of fact, the whole Marvel universe, possibly without exception, just happens to be a really well – what do you call that when you put together something curated? A group of souls. Well, it's interesting because people take superhero movies seriously now. like now superhero movies are films that happen to be about superheroes whereas you know for the longest time superhero movies were bullshit you know the tv shows were kind of clunky they were they were campy you know it was batman with the silly pants on and robin and I bought it everything was bang boom bang remember you'd see the big boom in front of the screen and yet who was in the first superman brandon yes right there was always a seed of an attempt to legitimize something that was otherwise two-dimensional yeah superman was probably the first film that really did that

43:11right and then batman yeah and then the batman series but again how many goddamn batmans have there been right I'm I I want to see what pattinson does oh that's right he's going to be batman now I like that guy How many Spider-Mans have there been? That's the most, right? Three Only three? Yeah And three Hulks, right? At least One, two, three Not counting the TV show Counting the TV show? Four Counting the TV show Oh, you're right Eric Bana You're right Yeah Norton Yep Mark Mark Ruffalo Who I think is He's my favorite He was just born for it Yeah it's perfect you believe him yeah and again his whole thing was what's my action is like you know what I got an anger problem how do you guys manage this giant cgi thing like how does that work like when you're on the set that seems like one of the weirdest parts about acting in some of those

44:10avenger films is how much of it is actually digital yeah you just kind of get used to it um I'll digress. I did a movie with Richard Linklater called A Scanner Darkly. And it was rotoscoped. Great fucking movie. I love that movie. Love him. And Keanu and I and Woody and Winona. And it was this cool thing. And we would shoot these scenes. And he would say, oh, you can just leave your body mic on the outside because we're just painting the whole thing. so that rotoscoping is a great metaphor for essentially what the marvel movies became when sometimes you would even go and I'm supposed to come in and like you know throw something and it was off camera uh but everything else was great oh we'll just move your arm later and you go wow so you never want to rest on your laurels and say you know but after

45:03a certain while I was like why am I wearing this this uh this football suit just put some dots on my shoulders so I can move more freely. And they'd be like, all right. I go, honestly, what are you really using this, all this stuff I'm wearing for? They go, for reference. I go, great. So I'll wear it for one take and then I'll take it off and I'll relax a little bit. But then other people would be like, or Bettany would be like, I'm stuck in this fucking thing, dog. You know, just paint it purple. So everybody got to join in on the joys and the miseries of the technical challenge of doing it. And speaking of Ruffalo, by the end, because he's a smart Hulk, he literally – they were just making him big wherever he was and they put a little – a piece of PVC with a big Hulk head up about five feet over where his head was and he was just there in a green suit.

45:57So in a tracking suit with like his package out and he would be like, let me just at least tie like a little sarong around my – come on, guys. And so I think Mark went about as far out into the ionosphere of CG as you can. I didn't get the whole smart Hulk thing. I didn't get how he figured that out. It wasn't really. Hulk is supposed to be Hulk. Right. It's supposed to be the altar. It's like one you can control. One is the genius scientist. Exactly. And one is the beast. But after so many times – and again, this is the genius of the people who break and shape stories over there. Feige and his team is they go, oh, he's Hulk and then he's not Hulk. He's Hulk. It's a big battle. Oh, he's so conflicted. What if he could meet himself in the middle? And then what corner have we painted ourselves in by having him meet himself in the middle?

46:56Because then you can't – if that doesn't work, you can't go back to the way it was. You've done it or you can go back to the way it was. so I just think that the the real genius of the marvel creative team is they and the russo brothers who did the last few Avengers infinity war and endgame is they go we love writing ourselves into a corner we love it because then it it activates all of those how do we get out of purgatory juices and then you get the next right idea now when you guys sit down and when you first receive a script for one of these things do they consult with you? Do they discuss this with you? Do they just lay it out and say this is the character arc? How do you feel about this? What do you think? Yeah, but it's changed over time. I think if you're one of the folks who has their standalone movies, like Scarlet has Black Widow coming out, I think you take a, I would,

47:50you take a bit of a different tack in how much meaningful, I think the phrase, the legal phrase for actors in studios is meaningful consultation, not script approval, because then anybody could hold a studio hostage because I don't approve this $30 million that you're trying to spend right now. So your schedule's fine. When you say I don't approve, I picture a bathrobe and I picture fine china and teacups. That's what I picture. I don't approve. And then just storming off. I've had my moments too, because I'm so passionate about story. But again, after more seat time with the same people and new people coming in and getting a pretty brutal education on what kind of process these movies require, you just start trusting more that they're thinking on your behalf. And also little things are easy to change. Big things become an inconvenience to the higher good.

48:54and at what point do you want to pull the air brake on something where the train's already leaving the station? Well, I would imagine it would be a fine line that they want the actor to be comfortable with the character and maybe some feedback would be beneficial, but they have a path, a vision that they've created and they would like to see you somehow or another at least morph slightly to get on this path yeah yeah and by the way after I had my second round of kids with susan I I became both artistically I had a bit of a renaissance when I was doing the third iron man and then after that too I was like well now I'm going to do this avengers and there's so many moving parts and it's so difficult just to get all these schedules to coincide and get everyone together, then I'm not going to be like, I'm not feeling it. So again, it's that thing.

49:53It's sometimes, what do they say? Faster alone, further together. Sometimes you can only think about further because you got to get downfield. Other times you're thinking, hey, this is my moment to run and I need a little help and a little approval and I need a little leeway, but that's any creative endeavor. I would imagine when you're involved in something that's so epic, when it's actually over, it probably almost seems surreal because the production is so massive. There's so many moving pieces. There's so many special effects, so many things that you have to sort of visualize while you're doing it. And then after it's all over, you're done. What is a big Avengers movie? How many months are you involved in this? Well, I mean, it could be some part of 18 months to two years depending on how far out you are and then four to six months of principal photography and then

50:48additional photography and then post and then I always include promotion you know from yeah um yeah from soup to nuts I think is the phrase soup to nuts yeah how's that work that's a joel silver phrase one of my uh one of my great great uh friends and probably one of the greatest uh big movie producers of all time. We did the Sherlock's with him. He did the Matrix series. My missus was running his company for 10 years. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, which is, I think, in some ways, the best film I've ever done, wound up being a calling card. It came out and it bombed. But Jon Favreau saw it and he said, this guy could do an action movie. And so that wound up being my calling card into the Marvel universe. But to answer the question, it can be anticlimactic like anything. I mean, this is surreal. You know? I never, I've maybe seen you around a little bit, but I feel like I know you

51:48because I see you all the time and I listen to you and I'm a martial arts nut. And yeah, isn't it? Sometimes when you get outside of the fortunate, interesting, creative experience you're having, you kind of go like, it's very dreamlike. Yeah. Yeah. My whole life's a dream. Yeah. Except for the ramifications. The ramifications. Those are real. When those come back and bite you in the ass, you're like, yikes, this isn't a fucking dream at all. This is dangerous. Yeah. I remember the first time I met Phil Hartman. I was stunned that I was actually like sitting we were at a table read sitting across from and I'm like How the fuck you're a famous guy like you're a really famous guy like I've seen you in movies man You've seen you on television here. You are right there. How weird, you know, and it seems it's very hard To to be normal and then after a while that becomes normal

52:49And then the the fact that it becomes normal becomes surreal and then it really feels like a dream Like when I meet people like you like We've just met an hour or so ago yet instantly. I feel like I know you. Yeah. Yeah, it's very strange But you also you're not full of shit, you know when someone's not full of shit It's pretty easy to get to know them. You say something I say something back. Oh, I know how he works I see what's going on in there. This is an actual human. Here we go. We're talking There's a good litmus too because you watch your show pretty – and I just love it too because in your show, you literally – you just – you start – it's a rolling start with you every time. You come into the show and you're already kind of thinking about stuff. So it feels very organic.

53:34And part of me even this morning was like I hope he looks into my eyes and doesn't see a complete and utter foolish fraud because I would probably believe him if he mirrored that back to me. Oh, no. That's a danger, right? Yeah, if you respect someone and they think you're a fucking idiot, you're like, oh no, I might really be a fucking idiot. But there's been times when in just being myself, someone who I respect has looked at me and said, what are we talking about? Yeah. What are you even saying? For sure. And you remember that because it kind of stiff arms you. But part of those are good because it realizes, well, you're probably off on a fucking stupid tangent. And that's part of being a person. Part of being a person is like, I don't know what the next word out of my mouth is going to be right now. No one ever does. Unless you do. And if you do, it's kind of weird.

54:21Some people are poker players. I respect some people that are that because there's an ability to – maybe it's fear-based. But I always appreciate people who – you know those people like their icons are big shots or they hold a certain esteem and all of their texts are very simple. it's like yes yes we should fix that sure yeah sure is my favorite sure okay on it yeah yeah no periods either like you don't have time to make a period it beats the all caps text yeah oh I don't like those at all those people are weird although ct fletcher he sends me all tax kit huh I I love him but he's shouting at everything everything is a shout yeah but yeah the surreal part is um I think part of the reason I'm still so interested, not just in life, but also getting to do what I do, is I'm a fan. I love movies. I love creativity. I love music. I love culture.

55:28And the fact that I actually have a place in it while I'm observing it and digging it is like it's an honor. well that's a beautiful perspective and that shows in how you how you how you carry yourself and it shows in the work that you do that you do appreciate it you know one of the saddest things is someone who's in an amazing position who doesn't appreciate it and and that that drives other people crazy too like prima donnas drive people crazy for a variety of reasons but one of the big ones is you don't appreciate how fortunate you are like and people love when people appreciate good fortune and appreciate a well-earned position and are, you know, engrossed in a beautiful life of something that they really enjoy and something that really inspires them. Well, I need to be kept right-sized because I can easily fall into self-seeking and depression

56:30and self-pity and judgment and all that stuff. It's kind of a, it's a bit of a default, But I spend enough energy and I've had enough help over enough years to actually just say, oh, that's just awful, destructive behavior. You're entertaining in your head, you know? Bad patterns, just bad thought patterns. Yeah. Yeah. I think we could all fall into those. I'm ruthlessly self-critical. For me, sometimes it's very hard to step outside and just take a pause and recognize that not everything's going to be right the first time you try it. I think that a lot of people that are really great at things, it's one of the things about them is that they're not very satisfied with their work. They're always looking to improve it. They're always looking for it to be better.

57:21And then that can start that cycle in their head of self-loathing and anxiety and anger at their performance or their work or whatever it is. And then that can lead to depression. That can lead to just self-hate. Yeah. And what are your tolerances? Like I'll be the first to tell you like do certain movies or when we were doing Tropic Thunder or one of the first Iron Man movies. I was like I'd go over to the monitor. I'd be like play that back again. That was so good. Dude, let me see that again. I need confirmation. Yeah. Because it's always a miracle. You stayed in frame. You got the line right. Your eye line was right. The lighting was right. The sensibility was right. And you just look at it and you go, oh, you know, it's like, I don't know. For me, it's like the playback of the perfect Superman punch KO and just go, show me that again. Yeah. or when we were shooting Tropic Thunder

58:15I had a little teaser clip for Iron Man but it wasn't coming out until the next year and we were going to go to Comic Con so I got to see it and show it to people and they're like oh I think that movie's going to do pretty good and then when we went to Comic Con we saw it but it used to be like that with music too like I write music I haven't for some time but you would write something and then you just listen to it on the loop because you go wow that's not I know that I was here and I did that but it feels kind of inspired yeah you want to get all that stuff but yeah self-critical is important as long as it doesn't bleed out into and over the edges and just make everyone miserable right again get out of your own way yeah again I mean that's one of the many tenets of life learn how to get out of your own way with

59:06everything including with creative endeavors it seems like that that thing that you said about music, most people who write things or create things say that, that it's, they know they're doing it. Like if you make a great sculpture, you know, you're doing it, but where is it coming from? Like, what is, what is the idea that manifests itself into this perfect thing that you could step back and look at? And it seems surreal. How did I create that? Did I? I don't know if I did. I mean, I definitely made my fingers move, but I don't know if that's me. Who wrote that music? Who performed it? I know you did, but there's a thing inside you that sort of like tunes in to this energy of ideas. And then it comes through you. And again, you kind of have to get out of your own way while you're writing something. And then when it comes out, it's a weird feeling.

59:56It's not like if you hammer a nail into a board, you fucking are very aware you did that. You're very aware. but there's something about the creative process that's not you're not totally there it's weird yeah because it is you and it isn't you right it was you even mean I love it well you always hear it too in sports it's like you know oh you know uh you know how to go today federer oh I was out of my mind I was not in my mind it was a beautiful day and I think you saw the results yeah you know

60:32Sure. Yeah. Effortless, poetic. Well, fighters talk about that all the time that like, especially a counter shot, like they land something and they don't even have any idea they're going to do it. And they did it. And then it caused the knockout. It's their training manifests itself in this one special, beautiful moment where bang, this thing happens. And then they see the guy drop and like, holy shit. and then they walk away and it's the work there's so many things involved there's so many moving pieces you have to be working on your own mind to learn how to get out of your own way you also have to be really engrossed in whatever the activity is that you're doing obsessed, in love with it passionate about it and then you have to have the discipline to show up and actually do the work there's so many different moving pieces and it all has to be managed and it's not solid

61:20it's like a fucking raft on the ocean it's moving around you're always trying to like figure out how to keep it keep it moving and functional and it always seems unmanageable and after it's over you I was like oh how the fuck does that even work yeah we call it the fader board ah yeah right you know how do you get it all and honestly particularly in the last 15 years when I started really taking martial arts seriously half the stuff that I've been able to do right in my creative life are principles that I learned on the mat with my sifu you know guard your center uh keep your eye on the lead elbow um get to the blind side you know how often do you do that uh I started I think I'm in the 15th or 16th year Sifu was over The day before yesterday So you know a bunch of times a week And if I'm working on something Or if he can make it to location

62:24We'll have long stretches where we're doing it every day And there's gratings So you gotta prep for those You know So what are you doing? Are you doing Kung Fu? Is it a very particular style? Traditional Wing Chun Really? Yeah, which is – Very underrated art form. Yes. Also, so many trade secrets and so different than how I see it when I'm looking at videos in that in UFC, everything is out in the open and it's discussed. And you see in a lot of the Eastern stuff, there was a turf wars and we're not really going to show them our footwork. We're not going to do this. But anyway, it's been a real deep dive with my Sifu, Eric Orem, who's Sifu, my Sifu, is Grandmaster William Chung. Renowned kind of Hong Kong rooftop fights, all that stuff. Amazing lore, but very technical, difficult to build and easy to use. You know, you very rarely see that in the UFC.

63:31One of the best fighters in the UFC uses it regularly. Tony Ferguson. Tony Ferguson uses trapping hands. The mukjung. Yeah. He grabs wrists and comes over the top with elbows. He does straight wing chung. He does it all the time. And he even practices on a wooden dummy. I got my ass kicked by a wooden dummy for about three years. And then I finally understood the principle of don't fight force in force. And, you know, it's just nuts. So anyway, half the time, if I would be in a critical artistic situation, I would just say, because Wing Chun problems are life problems, life problems are Wing Chun problems. And I would just go back to how did this kind of relate to – because I don't like getting clocked and getting my teeth knocked in because we tend to – sometimes we glove up, but we're not wearing mouthpieces. It's very – Why don't you wear a mouthpiece?

64:32It's certainly not because he's very good at pulling his punches and he's also even better at making sure that I don't accidentally hit him. But we get as close as we can to what the real experience would be. But again, it's like everything. I'm sure a few clicks back down the road, there's things that instructors were doing that would be considered illegal to do to a group of students nowadays. Yeah, for sure. Not just a few clicks while I was coming up. That's what I would imagine. Yeah. Oh, there's – yeah. They'd hit each other. Yes. Students would get beat up. Yes. It was a normal thing. Yes. You – so did you start training for Sherlock Holmes or you started training before that? I didn't. It absolutely coincided with my recovery. Oh. And the two things just somehow or other seemed to lock in.

65:28and talked to you off the record and afterwards about any and everything to do with my recovery. As far as it locked in with this, it was an apprenticeship, and it was an apprenticeship that was contingent on me being in a certain headspace. Well, it's a good thing too because it's a very addictive thing. People get very addicted to martial arts, and it's a good substitute for sometimes negative addictions. You know, Bourdain, before he died, he was obsessed with Brazilian jiu-jitsu. Yeah, became really obsessed with it at 58 and got really good. He was training every day, and he was training twice a day every day. So he went from when I first met him, he was chubby. He was smoking cigarettes. He drank every night. Still kind of still drank every night. But, you know, he just did enough to Enough healthy things to keep his body together And then His ex-wife got really into Jiu-Jitsu

66:29And then he decided to follow her one day to classes And he was kind of mocking it and laughing at it at first And then became obsessed And then really got good I mean, he was The guy won in a tournament I mean Oh my gosh Yeah, he's fucking 60 years older Jesus H What's really crazy is a picture of him walking down the street I think they were in Rome and he has no shirt on and he's fucking ripped anthony bourdain full six-pack yeah dude he was obsessed he would take a private every day look at him look at that photo that's crazy he's like 60 something years old there so he would take a private lesson every day and then he would take a class so he'd take a private lesson sharpen up techniques and then he would roll yeah take group classes too which is very very critical you got to roll with different people 100 yeah and so he

67:17was in there like and it became a good thing for him to sort of become addicted to this positive thing yeah I mean for me it wasn't going to be golf it wasn't going to be something passive like that right now I hear it's great but it's been uh it's just been a great gift and it's also the thing where you know you're just you're never done I made black belt five years ago for another grading and now we're doing a lot of weapons stuff and uh it's just that's awesome congratulations yeah um my taekwondo teacher said something to me when I was very young they said that it is a tool for developing your human potential yeah and I never forgot that because I'm like yeah it's because it's really difficult to do like all martial arts are really it's really difficult to get your body to move that way and to be able to be effective in a conflict situation

68:06and if you can do it and you can do it over and over again and you can overcome that difficult thing and you thought it was insurmountable and then you figured out how to do it eventually you get to this point you realize, well, everything in life is like that. Everything in life is like something, it's a puzzle. You have to figure out how am I approaching it wrong? What can I do to make it better? How do I get more competent at this particular skill or this particular discipline? Yeah. And just the humility too. I mean, if I've noticed anything in the last couple of years, just in UFC, which by the way, I was doing a Robert Altman film called The Gingerbread Man back in the 90s and I UFC had just started off and I was getting the VHS tapes and watching them and so when they go back on the 25 years ago I was like I've been I've been I've been there

68:52from jump that's awesome but we watch uh it's just that thing of no matter what you think um the uh the tides are changing quickly and yeah and you just got to keep keep working well that was a real wake-up call for a lot of martial artists was the UFC because a lot of the stuff that they were doing really wasn't effective yeah they thought it would be if everybody was playing by the rules in the dojo and sort of following along the but once you really saw an actual caged event where people were just going balls out you realize oh a lot of this stuff just doesn't work yeah well I love how messy it was at the beginning yeah because the style match-ups were So it was almost laughable until you saw the violence. And no weight classes. You and I share another passion, Resto Mods. Yes. Yes. You have a, was it a 1970 Mustang? Yeah, I got that 302. It was Speedcore, a couple other ones.

69:53Speedcore does amazing stuff. They're great. Yeah. And when I saw that they were doing your car, I go, oh, this is going to be good. You picked a unique color too. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's the only. Oh, hello. Look at that thing. Yeah, that's back east right now. That's a good car for straightaways. That's a nice Long Island car. Yeah, it's beautiful. But the beautiful thing about something like SpeedCore is they're going to take that car and make it so that it's manageable. You can actually drive it. If you drove a real 1970s stock car, it's horrific. And it's amazing how far we've come. Those cars, you're blindfolded as you're driving. You're sort of aware of what the car is going to do as you turn the wheel, but not really. No. To me, it's like a crop duster without wings. Every time I start, I just go, Jesus Christ, man. I got kids. I got kids.

70:50And also, since I threw my hat in the ring with this kind of green technology initiatives, I'm probably going to wind up auctioning them all off, to be honest. Right. You know? Drove a little BMW electric car here. I saw. I started laughing when I saw it pull into the pocket I'm like okay I get it You gotta do what you gotta do I have a Tesla I'll hold on to a few Yeah you have to hold on to that one What is this? That is a tarantula hawk That Maynard Keenan from Tool sent me From his farm in Arizona We were talking about it on a podcast And he's like have you ever seen one? I go no And then a week later one arrived in the mail Hold on let me see what this says Yeah you can't read yeah it's by the way have I been too far off mike this whole time no you're fine man okay we're good I could you could give me a sign jamie's a master he knows how to handle this I know you have a lot

71:45of other shit to do so I'm gonna I'm gonna let you get out of here but uh I just want to say it's a honor honor to meet you a real pleasure to sit down and talk to you appreciate you taking your time and best of luck with everything just flew by pal yeah I'll be back trust me okay I hope you do. I hope you do come back. Bye, everybody. You know what I wanted to get to? There's a guy named Plan.