Tom Segura: 喜剧与创造力的科学和技艺

这一部分先通过具体观察和工作习惯建立讨论。ANDREW HUBERMAN: Welcome to the Huberman Lab 播客, where 我们 discuss science 和 science based tools 对于 everyday life. [MUSIC PLAYING] I'm Andrew Huberman, 和 I'm a professor of 神经生物学 和 ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine. My guest today is Tom Segura. Tom Segura is a renowned comedian, writer, 和 director. 期间 today's episode, 我们 explore the neuroscience 和 psychology behind comedy, 和 我们 explore the creative process 更多 generally. Tom shares his approach to capturing 和 developing ideas 进入 narratives 那 are at once funny 和 thought provoking. 我们 discuss the interplay between daily-life observations 和 larger cultural dynamics when developing comedy routines. 我们 spend a fair bit of time discussing the neurobiological basis of humor, 和 what 数据 和 大脑 lesion patients have taught us 关于 why 我们 find certain ideas novel, funny, 或 exciting. 我们 also talk 关于 how 这 relates to the activation of reward 回路 in the 大脑, 和 the seemingly automatic way 那 things are either funny 或 not funny to 人们, suggesting 那 humor is like taste 或 smell. 你 确实 可以't negotiate what works 对于 你 或 what doesn't. 我们 also discuss emotional contagion 和 how skilled performers like Tom become masters at reading, shifting, 和 dancing 与 the collective 能量 of crowds, whether in small comedy clubs 或 large arena shows. So if 你're a creative 或 你're curious 关于 human psychology, 或 if 你 simply love to laugh, 你'll come away 从 today's episode having learned a ton of useful information 关于 the creative process 和 human nature. 之前 我们 begin, I'd like to emphasize 那 这 podcast is separate 从 my teaching 和 研究 roles at Stanford. It is, 然而, part of my desire 和 effort to bring zero cost to consumer information 关于 science 和 science-related tools to the general public. In keeping 与 那 theme, 这 episode does include sponsors. 这些细节说明，创作过程不是突然出现灵感，而是不断注意、筛选并检验素材。

这一部分随后把个人例子连接到喜剧和表演的更广泛机制。ANDREW HUBERMAN: Yeah. Like 二-mile races were OK. TOM SEGURA: I just did 5K. ANDREW HUBERMAN: Oh, yeah? TOM SEGURA: 二 天 ago. Yeah. ANDREW HUBERMAN: How'd 那 go? TOM SEGURA: I hated 那, I knew I had to do it, 和 so I just made myself-- I was like, 你 got to do it, so it's going to suck. ANDREW HUBERMAN: 你 trained 对于 it? 这些证据来自讲述者的经验，因此可以帮助说明机制，却不能直接当作受控实验或适用于所有人的规则。

这一部分最后补充了同一主题的实践或社会后果。TOM SEGURA: Yeah. ANDREW HUBERMAN: So I don't know the exact distance, 但 it was not unusual when I was in graduate school to head out on a Sunday 早晨, just hydrated caffeine 和 do 10, 12 miles. TOM SEGURA: Wow. ANDREW HUBERMAN: 但 now it's probably 更多 like 6, 8. TOM SEGURA: OK. ANDREW HUBERMAN: 6 to 8. TOM SEGURA: 但 also 与 a weighted vest? 观众反应、记忆和文化语境都可能改变笑话的意义，所以节目仍然为个体差异和具体情境保留空间。

这一部分先通过具体观察和工作习惯建立讨论。ANDREW HUBERMAN: Sometimes 与 a-- I use a vest. They're not a sponsor, which is fun to 总是 mention things 那 aren't a sponsor too, 因为 I love 这 weight vest. It's called OMORPHO, 和 it fits pretty snug. It's not like 一 of 这些 ones 那 looks like 你're a suicide bomber 或 a cop 或 something. TOM SEGURA: Yeah. ANDREW HUBERMAN: It sits 确实 close to the 身体. It zips up. 和 it's got 这些 heavy ball bearings in it. So it's only 关于 10 to 12 pounds. TOM SEGURA: Yeah. ANDREW HUBERMAN: So it's not like a super heavy weight vest. 但 it's enough 那 when 你 take 那 weight vest off on a-- run, 你 feel like a God. TOM SEGURA: I 会 say 那 as much as I say I hate running, the fact 那 I made myself keep doing-- I was doing daily runs, almost like five 天 a 周, just of getting used to the mileage, obviously, it becomes easier. 和 then 你 go like, OK, I 可以 do 这. 但 yeah, I think I get a lot of mental anxiety 关于 the running. 这些细节说明，创作过程不是突然出现灵感，而是不断注意、筛选并检验素材。

这一部分随后把个人例子连接到喜剧和表演的更广泛机制。但 there's 这 phenomenon where when 你 move the large musculature of the 身体, so a resistance 训练 workout, a run, probably any workout where 你're doing some big movements 或 你're working hard in 那 workout, it triggers the 释放 of 肾上腺素 at 水平 那 wake up 你的 身体, make it 更多 willing to move. TOM SEGURA: Yes. ANDREW HUBERMAN: So 人们 who don't have 能量 to 运动-- 运动 gives 你的 身体 能量 by way of 肾上腺素. 和 then 那 肾上腺素 acts on 这 nerve called the vagus nerve, which communicates to the areas of 你的 大脑 那 释放 多巴胺 和 something called 去甲肾上腺素. It basically wakes 你的 大脑 up also. So 那 早晨 workout 那 你're describing, wakes up 你的 大脑和身体 对于 something like six 小时 by changing the neurochemical state of 你的 身体 和 你的 大脑. 和 so it's not a surprise 那 when 你 work out 之前 a long 天, 那 long 天 goes better. TOM SEGURA: Yeah. ANDREW HUBERMAN: Whereas if 你 hit the work of the 天 fresh, 你're generating the 肾上腺素 drink 从 all 那 stuff. 这 is when 人们 feel a bit 更多 anxious. They feel a bit 更多 irritable, they feel a bit 更多 tired. So 这 whole concept of 运动 gives 你 能量. 那's how it gives 你 能量. It's not caloric 能量. 你 still need to fuel, et cetera, 但 你're talking 关于 neurochemical 能量. It fundamentally changes the way 你 show up to everything else. 这些证据来自讲述者的经验，因此可以帮助说明机制，却不能直接当作受控实验或适用于所有人的规则。

这一部分最后补充了同一主题的实践或社会后果。ANDREW HUBERMAN: What's 你的 typical process of capturing ideas? Do 你 voice memo 进入 the phone? Do 你 write things down? TOM SEGURA: I've done pretty much every version of it; voice notes while high. Sometimes 你 listen to them later 和 你're like, holy shit. ANDREW HUBERMAN: Are 你 a cannabis user? TOM SEGURA: I mean, sometimes. I'm not like a heavy user, 但 a lot of times at 夜间 if 你 take something 和 你 go to sleep-- 你're trying to go to sleep, 你的 大脑's like, nah, I got ideas. ANDREW HUBERMAN: Is 那 right? TOM SEGURA: Oh, yeah. ANDREW HUBERMAN: I haven't done cannabis in a long time ago. 观众反应、记忆和文化语境都可能改变笑话的意义，所以节目仍然为个体差异和具体情境保留空间。