JRE MMA Show #65 with Corey Anderson

00:00two one boom cory anderson ladies and gentlemen what's up how are you man what's going on joe we finally did it finally did it we here and uh got some techno hunting as well yeah i told you about that game that game's very addictive isn't it i'm already trying to get back out to do some more when it's over so you get itchy right yeah yeah no it's amazing man that that game's incredible how long you been bow hunting for i've been bow hunting since i was 16 or 17 but i've been hunting my whole life wow what switched you over to bow hunting i'm a high school teammate actually i used to go rabbit hunting stuff with a shotgun and i've been shooting the bow since i was like 12 or 11 just 3d shooting are you ever bow hunting with you can hunt with this like yeah like we go hunt all the time so one day before school he picked me up and he went over to my buddy's house and got up

00:47in the stand well he got in the stand i couldn't climb because i didn't know what i was doing i got stuck at the bottom of the tree sitting on my bow in my lap so but that was my first time and after that i just kept going and every now and then in between practices and whatnot but now when i got time between fighting and whatnot i'm all hunting that's it oh i could tell by your instagram man i follow your instagram all you're you're constantly shooting and hunting and practicing and it's it gets in your blood i mean it's just like fighting like i said we're doing techno hunting i do it so much just muscle memory like everybody think oh you spend too much time hunting you're not training but i go win a fight and like oh that was impressive like i still train two three times a day but i get home from the

01:25gym and i always have a bow in my truck i have three bowls and one is always in my truck so i pull up pop the doors open grab my speaker and the target is right there get like 30 to 60 shots and then go in spend time with the family eat go back to the gym come go to the range and shoot indoors when it's dark and i'm always shooting i just enjoy it wow so is it like a part of meditation for you do you think 100 coming off the osp fight that was actually the first time i hunted in jersey i've been in jersey since 2014 when the show came out and after osp fight and all that stuff and everybody told me like don't pay attention you was winning that fight you got caught don't let the people get in your head and tell you you're not there so actually the next day i went home i went and bought my hunting license

02:03and bought a stand and hunting jersey for the first time and that helped me i didn't think about it at all from november to february 1st i was in a tree stand every day and i went back to training like full camp with everything in my mind i forgot all about that osp fight that's when i told my wife i found my balance you know the thing was i was always in the gym and that's why the name 25 8 came because cory never at the time i didn't do anything else but train you know i would train to go to the gym and train to go therapy go back to the gym and train go home run go to the garage hit the heavy back go to mark henry's hip pads and go train again so like i was selling wheel on the way here when i first went to ufc and i say oh cory's grew he's gotten bigger i've always been a big guy i was 300 pounds

02:43one time but when i got down to 205 i was telling myself i don't want to get heavier than like 210 so every day i had like a goal i wanted to end the day off no heavier than 212 so if i was like 215 from eating too much and it's 10 o'clock at night i gotta lace up and go for a run so i was all every morning i wake up at 210 so that's why i took the fights like jan black which on two three weeks notice fabio malano in brazil on a week notice i didn't have to cut weight it was like okay just go but when i got to jimmy manuel and he told me at the bar he's like bro you're a good fighter you're just too small like i weighed in friday and saturday i slept in the cage looking at his ex saying i gained like six pounds and he told me you gotta eat you gotta feed yourself and after i did that that was probably the best advice i ever got from a fighter because now i walk around like 235

03:28and i feel great like the last fight with glover on two weeks notice i was 236 i got the weight off and hydrated right back up and felt fine fantastic went out there and did my thing because i treat my body right now so you're 236 up until like how far out of the fight i'll try to stay at least 230 230 231 until like two weeks out and i start tapering on like 225 area and just get 20 pounds of water off a lot of water drinking the water load and then tuesday is the first day i hit it hard and just start trimming down so you feel like that extra pounds helps you in what way recovery that's for getting rocked as well like that was the thing in college my coach was always trained and wrestling we're gonna go a whole practice nobody go get a water if i see anybody go to the water fountain we're doing sprints whatever that mean you weak you know it was great

04:16because we train and in the mat you see guys gassing for water in third period we all standing tall ready to go and i had that same mentality when it came to fighting because you gotta think now we're taking blows to the head so i gotta keep water keep that brain hydrated because if i'm dehydrated that one shot it's lights out you don't have anything to help take it so it's like like i said after osp fighting the hunting and everything i just went back and did a lot of figuring things out before that pat cummins fight and i just knew what i had to do to be the best me and uh like i said getting bigger stronger not worrying about keeping my weight low the weight gonna come off it's gonna be hard sometimes but it's gonna come off you know but that's when i will not miss weight if i gotta kill myself i'm end up in the hospital before i miss weight so putting all that together now i feel like i have

04:59the recipe so the recipe was um did you start weight lifting like what did you do to pack on the extra weight yeah um weight lifting was a big thing big key to my brother first before i had to strength and conditioning coaches that was on board my coach before was great for cardio same guy frank yeager had and we had cardio and we were getting strong but it wasn't like size building strong it was like mobility strength to punch and keep the cardio up then my brother he had a contract to play pro ball back in what like 2000 or whatever so he knew like all the combine lifts or whatever he hit me up and said bro we got to get bigger like we got it you you you're dominant like you look at these guys you fight they say you're gonna lose you go out there and you dominate and you're small so imagine if you

05:38put the size on you got the power you you can dominate these guys for real so he flew out like i'll fly off for a week you put me on the right diet and how y'all lifted in nfl camps or whatnot and we'll get stronger so he literally had me on compound lifts every day eating like i said i got the freezer full of deer meat he's like you got all the stuff you need you got protein right here have jenny go grab my wife go grab rice and potatoes and you just eat meat potatoes rice you eat eggs with meat potatoes and rice everything you eat put meat potatoes and rice and everything and you're gonna get that size i promise you and the strength and everything will come and sure enough i just saw i went from like after this was after the jimmy fight he showed up and it worked out as well i met my uh supplement

06:17sponsor but we went out to the buffet like i had a good workout we're gonna eat the buffet eat as much carb up and actually i was there a polynutrition the owner of my supplement company he was like you're corey anderson right like i'm a huge fan i would love to work with you my brother said that's made it happen protein right there get a bottle of protein from them we're gonna start mixing this in with your meat potatoes and rice protein shake instantly and he's put me on a whole plan and when he left he left me a whole little list on the refrigerator and i still got it there and i don't need it anymore but that's the thing you eat your meat potatoes and rice four or five eggs in the morning just got a cup of rice put some venison or hog whatever meat i'm using that day and then put some vegetables and a little bit of potatoes or something get a big old meal carb it up then go

06:58hit the gym then when you're done kill your protein shake come on meat potatoes rice how much difference is your diet doing this than it was before i mean it's crazy that's my teammates now they say we've seen the difference of how big you got even mark henry i was in the midst the other day for the first time with him and probably like a couple weeks whatever in his basement and i was still moving fast everything like bro you got huge like i was like i just started lifting the e coach yeah you know so i used to so you're probably holding yourself back before oh yeah 100 and then you're probably draining yourself too much but all that weight cutting and all that uh you know like getting it down before the the actual fight itself all the extra running and everything like even on the show like we were finished eating and this is when i found out you can cut weight in the hot tub i didn't

07:39notice because i fall heavyweight before the ultimate fighter the guy's like oh you can lose weight in the hot tub i was like what and everybody was sitting in the hot tub for like 40 50 minutes and i get out i lost all my weight i'm at 206 you know this is great so we eat a bunch like even one day frankie and the coaches brought in and out burgers over you know we ate and watched the fights and i just sat in this hot tub for like 40 minutes and got all the weight off down to 210 i got on where i want to be they're like bro you can get up so i'm like nah because we fight we never know when we're gonna fight he wins tomorrow on tuesday i might be fighting thursday i don't want to have to worry about that yeah i was always scared of the weight cut right but if you're getting in the sauna and or getting in the

08:12hot tub losing all that weight that's just water weight though right like even if you're down like where you want to be you're still going to have to cut more water yeah to get to where you need to be to 205 yeah but you ask my wife i have the worst not now but before i didn't know anything about nutrition because i was a heavyweight from freshman year in high school my senior year in college and i fought heavyweight until the ultimate fighter so i never had to worry about the diet you know i used to eat ramen noodles i remember moving in my first time fighting benaster and took me up to roof of sport and i moved in the fighter house and everybody eating like chicken fillets and salmon i came in with a big old box of ramen and think of chunky noodle soup like what are you doing like this is this how i eat like bro that's not gonna work what do you mean like i train every day and i

08:52eat this same stuff eat a bowl of cereal for breakfast and they all cooking like yo that's that's not healthy like it works for me but then when it came time to go to 205 the first time it's like oh this this isn't working for me i have to figure something out what do you feel the difference between like eating nonsense like ramen and then eating healthy food like what was the big shift you just have more energy really right you know because in wrestling that's how we ate you know definitely in college you ain't got no money we go to walmart on saturday sunday get a big old box of ramen i used to get spaghetti sauce and just cook the noodles and put spaghetti sauce on you know yeah um can of soup right out the can you're eating stuff like that but you're training all day so it doesn't really get the stick in your body and you don't really feel the the difference in energy

09:35because you never really ate clean you're eating cafeteria food that's packed with grease but now it's like we got meal prep companies and stuff out there you try all that different stuff and my wife fights too so she fought like 120 so she was always dieting so when she's cutting weight i would eat clean and i would notice a difference in my energy like i wake up a lot earlier i can go longer that day in the night i'm not crashing i like i peacefully put myself in bed watch tv and fall asleep but when you got all that sugar and all that stuff in you feel like crap but at the end of the day you kind of like you're just fighting you don't have control anymore well you also have the advantage of the best protein the fact that you have you you how many deer did you say you shot 13 that's a lot of protein a lot of protein

10:13a lot of clean wild protein and i even i got half that meat still in texas i never got actually just engage you got it and i heard they we went hunting together one time me engage and his coach luke calilio whatever and we put the meat i don't know how to say his last name but they put the meat in the same place and we said some of this goes to cory the other part go to justin but they sent all of it down to justin to his camp but i had a freezer full anyway i had no space yeah he's another one ray borg he's another he bow hunts chad mendez bow hunts tj dillashaw bow hunts uh we could probably keep going down the line there's a lot of uh pro fighters who bow hunt well let's put it out there before we get too far justin hunts but he can't bow hunt he can't we had with a crossbow on a ranch and we pushed like everybody got him and he kept missing we put him

10:59in a corner like all right we're gonna all like drive him to you so all i gotta do is be ready bro just shoot somehow all these big old deer coming he still missed like it was probably 10 yards 10 to 50 he missed a crossbow with a crossbow like bro how the hell did you miss like you can't shoot then they went to another ranch and the guy gave him a gun like you want to do a gun instead he killed it with a gun but he has uh his vision is not the best right now that's something that's what is wrong with his vision and and his energy you know he's kind of having he's a great guy he's his energy not like bad energy you kind of like focus that's what i mean oh like it's hard for him to like sit still like we're in the trees or in uh this loft and he's like shadow box so like bro you got a chill calm down we're hunting but some people can't hang out in the stand they can't stand is hard for

11:49them it's harder for them than just but spot and stalk just walking the mountains for all day it's easier for them than to just stay put and do nothing yeah it's just sitting there quiet you know yeah um i went with a buddy we went turkey hunting this is my first week turkey hunting this year and he's never hunted before he's actually my archery partner i taught him how to shoot bow like 15 weeks ago and he's actually got pretty good he was hitting like all bullseyes in the league he's like i want to go hunting with you so he sat in the blind i told him he was going out there like bro when we get out here you gotta you can't move like we in the blind but that one window the turkeys can see us if you move and they're gonna see you and they got good hearing too so you gotta chill out so i'm like i'm gonna put the decoys up just sit down i turn around he like walk around like what are you

12:28doing like i'm covering the blind if you got like a little bitty twigs like bro we don't have time to blind he's like i seen it on youtube like get in the blind i was like bro get in the blind this'll work this'll work like we're not we're not killing anything you know talking like call call use a call like use a call bro i already called was like do it again do they get bored yeah i was like exactly he's just attention span some people don't they can't sit there i can sit there for a whole day from sun up to sundown i'm fine with that i'm fine pieces listen to the birds and watch the animals i have my phone check my phone every once in a while but some people they they don't have that peace they need to be talking or doing things that's real add right yeah yeah that it's uh it's it's a weird mental exercise just sit there and do nothing and just wait for an animal to come to you and it

13:17seems like it would be easy but after a while it starts fucking with your head you know it's it's a it's a mental exercise the thing that's crazy i can do that in tree stand but in college i couldn't focus shit in school yeah if i'm even now if i go to like a meeting or something and people talking i start dozing off i can't sit there but in that tree i can sit wide awake for hours also in that tree stand though you're waiting for something it's very specific if you're doing something you don't want to do a guy like you who burns off so much energy in the day your body's probably like this is boring as fuck let's just not out yeah let's just you can train in six hours a day you know it's the same way at home i mean my wife said you you never stop moving just hang out you know like jill said i'll be baby to have my baby and i'm doing something with the camera right

14:01and it's i'm headed editing my youtube channel so i can't just sit down because i'll fall asleep i have to do something but like when it's time just relax like it's sunday we're just gonna sit here and watch tv sit down five minutes in i'm out so what do you think about the movie like huh my bad babe i fell asleep yeah well if you're a guy who trains as much as you i mean every chance your body gets to actually rest your body's probably like right about now it's a good time it doesn't take much we get in the car before we out of the driveway she's driving where am i going cool huh oh we need to drive with yet my bad babe well a guy who works as hard as you do because one of the things that you are known for man is your cardio you have crazy fucking cardio and you notice it in fights where around the second and the third round i start seeing your

14:47opponents start to slow down a little bit and then you ramp up like alir latifei it's a perfect example that was a great fight for you because that guy's a tank he's a tank very scary dude hits really fucking hard strong as shit but he's a he's a guy that relies on that explosive power he's like a sprinter in a lot of ways and you can only do that for so long and you could say like somewhere around the second round it was real obvious that you weren't slowing down at all and he was taking some big deep breaths and it's just it's harder for him have you always had that kind of cardio i mean i got it in wrestling like i said i was big you know and i was especially when i got to 300 pounds and i was still working cardio trying to get down as a heavyweight to wrestle and be i always studied little guys films you know

15:32like the henry cejudo films and shit like that when i was in college that's just what i watched my coach was like watch heavyweights and i'm like nah i want to move i want footwork i want to fake i want to take shots like i led my team in takedowns as a heavyweight because i moved around as a big guy and the same thing i've had match one match the guy was beating me what 15 to 1 if you need one more point to take me going to the third point but in third round but he gassed and i was still going i came back and beat him in overtime it's because i can just keep going i was the mindset guys is going to break eventually yeah my coach always said act fresh even if you're tired as dogs stand up and act fresh like no matter what look fresh and you'll be surprised how your mind take over you realize later on you're not really tired and when you're tired keep pushing because the next time you usually

16:15get tired around that three minute mark it'll make it to about the seven eight minute there's like 15 you start doing those grind matches and you go 30 minutes live and when it's done i'm able to walk shake coach's hand and go grab another partner or we'll get on a treadmill because we always push as a big guy so you gotta imagine when i came down to 205 it was like yeah it was crazy like this is this is like magic i can do this all day coach five rounds that first gym my five round fight with jimmy when they call me oh it's the main event now you gotta train six rounds like okay like was it milling the cage we did three rounds mark like you know you're doing six today that's fine gave me three new partners went and they was tired i was still good like dude your cardio is crazy it's just a mental even when i'm tired i'll never show it it's like i just gotta act fresh

16:57and get through it it can only last so long my father told me that forever it is a weird thing isn't it that your your mind can give you more energy like you know that feeling that sometimes you're on a treadmill or something like that and you're running and a great song comes on and all of a sudden you're like whoa you like feel it you got like all sudden extra like where's that coming from it's coming from your mind your mind that one beat the uptempo beat and your heart start pumping and you kind of start dancing while you're running and like have three to five minutes however long that song gets you like on a sprint yeah then once that song ends you like then you really feel it the tone changes oh shit i'm tired it's crazy isn't it that that's some there's a switch in your mind that you almost like you have to figure out where it is you got to go find it and a song can

17:39find it for you but like for you just to be able to pull it out like especially in a fight or something like that when you're battling doubt and this and that and you know you're wondering how he's doing you know is he okay is he tired am i only who's tireder me or him you know and there's that switch in your mind that if you could just access that all the time and keep it on one of the things i think one of the guys i looked up to when i was in college you know he was past steve prefontaine that's why i just throw it all the time his quotes to do anything anything less than your best is a waste of a gift you know like every day he ran he didn't it's cross country but guys trot they pacing and every day he said i'm running to like i'm sprinting you know like i watched all his movies the movies on him how his mindset even that one race when he was full out sprint they said his heart's gonna give

18:26he gave out right before the finish line like i'd rather go out that way than pacing my whole the whole time and then try to sprint in and fail because i wasn't ready so that's like in my fight i start off so fast that's just i'm going all out you're not there's no fill out period we're gonna touch gloves and i'm ready to move and i already know like if i'm getting tired i know this guy's getting tired right he's not training like i'm training and if he is training like i'm training he might not be tired but in my mind i'm thinking he's getting tired so just keep pushing because eventually he's gonna break he's gonna break before me now do you have a system in terms of like your strength and conditioning program do you do you have a schedule that you follow like like very specifically for however many weeks you have before your fight when i get in the fight camp

19:08everything get really specific like i said on ariel so i'm i'm calculating when it's camp time like you don't mess my order like i'll be early i have my bags packed night before i have three four training bags packed at the right at the little exit way so when i come home if i'm short running short in time running late grab something to eat grab the next bag i'm out the door and i know where i gotta go i hate when people have to cancel oh i can't make it today or something came up or i show up my partner don't show up you're not on time like i'm on the guys like i'm kind of like the leader of the big guys like we're gonna be here early this week so we can start at 10 30 because i want to do drills after we're gonna do this you need to work on that i'm very punctual like that i hate you know it's camp time if you're showing up late i hate it it kind of it runs me rag and i just when

19:51we spar i kind of take it out on people i just i'm very calculated when it comes to camp because this is my career you know i'm serious about this i'm not showing up late like i go to boxing gyms with guys and we're always sparring at six o'clock so i show up at 5 45 and 6 45 they still not there when you put walk in like nothing's wrong talking and dancing like yo you said six o'clock right like you're professional ain't you well quit acting like an amateur get here on time let's go this is your camp i'm here to help you even that makes me mad but when it's my camp and you show up it's not fun because i know i'm not gonna get tired so i'm just gonna beat on you who writes out your schedule do you write it out or do you just know what it is do you have it in your head or do you write it out you write it out well i put get like a notepad and i put how many weeks and i put it out and i try to

20:33early into it like when i first start i give like an idea of what i want to do so tuesday thursday strength and conditioning or monday friday strength and conditioning before jiu-jitsu with ricardo and then tuesday thursday i'm gonna do one-on-ones with ricardo on wednesday i'm gonna do my one-on-one with nicotone and then excuse me tuesday night or monday night i'm gonna do mitts with mark and then saturday after spa i do another mitt try to do two of everything and i go to ruckers and wrestle because in jersey everything is such a commute so you have to time everything perfect because if practice goes 15 minutes past or whatever or somebody's late that's messing me up because i got to drive an hour to 45 minutes to get to the next place and i'm running late for that practice or if it's three practice in a row and i get there just a little bit right on time i don't have time to get

21:13ready to do my full warm-up to make sure my body's warm then get to the next spot and do the same thing now i'm rushing now it's non-stop now i gotta get home and grab something to eat quick or i gotta keep my food with me and it's getting cold and this is like i'm very punctual and specific when it comes to stuff like that do you meal prep do you have like a little tupperware containers with your food so you just grab one and i used to use well not use i still use eat clean bro when you get in the camp i use them all the time but now like i said i gotta eat clean bro clean bro it's uh jamie i can't remember his last name but jamie in new jersey name he's killing it man he's dj caled uh kamala kamala anthony lala all all the famous people use them he just opened up another one in atlanta he's killing the game with the meal prep and he's it's good it's accurate it wasn't as accurate

21:59before but he teamed up with his company revolutionize which is a nutrition company they do to calculation of all the meals for fighters and different people bodybuilders and it's perfect so it has all your nutrients all your protein it has it set up like this is 40 grams of protein yeah and then you can also go in there and just order the raw stuff they give it and they deliver to your door and then you just cook yeah you can get it raw and they'll put it in a freezer bag you get it and just put it i know people that do it that way like i said now i have my wife who fights and she was used to fighting she knows what's going on most of the time she does that for me you know if you bring them venison will they cook that and put that in you i know he told me if i get a turkey he'll cook it up for me so i'm sure he'll give me some venison if i cook me venison if i took it to

22:41him now when you say you have everything set up um are you monitoring your heart rate like what do you what are you doing to make sure that you're not over trained or that's sick that's one thing i'm still not i'm not really dancing with it not in my mind i'm fine with it because growing up my coach is telling my time there's a thing over training is a mental state you know as long as you train eat rest you give your body time to rest and recover get to bed by a certain time so you get at least seven eight hours of sleep it's kind of hard to overtrain but those days when you feel you hurting like shoulders like my injuries it's okay to dial back when you go to the gym you don't have to hit it hard just go through the motions sometimes like oh don't be here to go through the motions but sometimes it ain't bad to go through the motions as long as it's you you focus on one thing to master

23:23this takedown a master this sweep a master that jujitsu submission or sweep or whatever it is focus on it and going nice and slow calculate you don't have to get a sweat every time because you learn it muscle memory do it a thousand times and now it's kind of like what it's in there i got it but um with the overtraining and heart monitoring i only heart monitor for the last five to six weeks because that's when i hit cardio hard not so much strength anymore but pushing the pace everything i'm doing blowing it out trying to keep my heart rate above a certain thing so if the last day before i go into that space i put the heart rate monitor on and see wherever i got to i don't take much of a break between my trainers my stations see what my heart rate got so if the high was 172 today or whatever all right so that's the high on a slow day and it's hard for me to get my heart rate up so it's

24:09like when we're doing cardio i'm shooting for like 180s after everything i need to be above that so it take time for that to come down so in between that 30 to a minute break if i'm still right there at 180 170 so i'm gonna hit the next one i know my heart is still racing so i'm stretching my lungs out and take a little short break and i never do a full minute break even in sparring so in fighting that's why in that minute you see me talking to mark henry and everything is everybody oh of course having a conversation in between the round mark costs i'm like yep yep okay i'm gonna do jiu-jitsu mark says i'm trying i hear you because i've that's how we train and practice on a short clock a longer time work shorter time recover and i'm tired and practice at the beginning but at the end it's kind of like going into the fight that last week we talking we smiling we chilling good round

24:53this is this you gotta do this all right well we gotta do better this time did i have to sweep right did that submission what's wrong with my hands and the next one i work on this again and to be able to communicate and not be tired it makes a world of difference do you give yourself 30 seconds in training it depends depends on who we fighting it depends on my mentality you know if i feel like today's gonna be a hard day if we ain't got the clock sometimes i have it on my phone if the coaches aren't there and my wife doing it and i stand up and i feel like i'm recovering like 20 minutes or 20 seconds start go i just we gotta keep rotating my partner so because i know they can't recover all the time but it's just like i'm i'm a little different you know it's like i was thinking outside the box i'm i'm trying to do what the other people aren't you know everybody going

25:35off like the dolce diet or the keto diet or such and such training or west side barbell this and that that's kind of like i take the different stuff i learned from this guy and i saw from this guy i learned in wrestling i seen on youtube and i heard somebody say this like i wonder if i can just take away and take a little bit of this put a little bit with the west side barbell put it with the keto diet along with my own venison diet and this this and this and just try it out and if it works it works and if i don't feel good if i feel low energy it's like all right that doesn't work we're gonna try something different it seems like a lot of people would want to listen to you though i would imagine if i was in camp with a guy like you and i saw the kind of cardio that you have for a big guy and the amount of

26:11effort that you put in i would imagine there's other dudes that are following you now oh my teammates yeah they know like um one of the guys my like a brother to me is carl roberson you see he stepped up he stepped up on the global fight that's something we talked about when he was an amateur i've been working with him since he was an amateur and i told his coach dean like this kid is good he's the right stuff he go pro he'd be in the ufc in no time i'm telling you because he was i watched him me him and chris wyden he came in with us when i was helping wyden with the rock hole fight and i've cut i'm not sure if he was an amateur pro yet but he was hanging his jiu-jitsu in the wrestling he didn't have that but striking wise he was giving us problems it was like this is this kid is good yeah they go he's a glory kickbox like ah that makes sense he kicks hard like i haven't

26:51seen him put many people to sleep with his head kick in practice like yo pull it he's like bro that wasn't even hard like what you mean i wasn't hard like i just flicked it up there but he's just so explosive and athletic he hit me with a knee what last saturday my chest still hurt and it was like i shot and he caught me coming in on his shot and i was like oh shit but i was in deep but he's just so quick it's just but like he's one he hits me up all the time when i come to camp like oh he has to die down because of bo and clint out of the pi he had that but it come like to work and stuff should we keep doing this should we do this i'm gonna run today so when i want to work on my jiu-jitsu what should i do this should i just drill should we go hard so he trains sometimes the performance institute in vegas well every time we get a camp me and him we got to think if one of us

27:33getting can't we already know i'm gonna contact him you got to fight when we're going to vegas so i go we go out there for a week or two weeks me him and rex harris he was in the pfl we call each other the bash bros only three dudes at usc in jersey we didn't travel around we've been to vegas we've been to arizona wherever we go and we go hard and that's why we call it bash bros there's no oh we're going light today bro don't hit me every time it's like are you ready you ready rex actually texted me we're doing tecmo he was like yeah i'll be there tomorrow because i'm flying here and i get back in time for training so bash bros meet up and we go at it that's it are you are you always sparring hard or do you spark we got certain days like if we don't want to spar hard we know not to go with each other because it's kind of like if one week i get the best of rex like there's been times like i've

28:19had carl for with osp because he's southpaw and he's super good so i went with carl three rounds hard so his main focus was take down don't let him up so i take him down and beat him on the ground beat him on the ground take him down beat him on the ground because he didn't have wrestling at the time and then he would go with like somebody else like i need one more round and he'd be mad i know that but that's why i'm not going him on the fourth round because he's mad and he go out there with somebody else and just you just eat him up and it's like i'm sorry i have to apologize the other guy like i'm sorry for beating him up because the hostility so we go hard but there's times we pull other guys in like i'm gonna call this amateur guy in pretty good amateur or a low level pro pro some guys that eddie alvarez knows whatever i got this kid he's pro 205 he's the

28:59beginner whatever you want to work with him that's a guy all right bring him up today i'm gonna do a technical move day kind of like wall work drilling we spawn we have head gear on just in case because accidents happen but nothing is thrown with intention of hurting anybody would you have a fantastic camp too man it's one of the most unheralded camps if you want to talk about who's training out there zabit you guys have uh marlin you know of course frankie edgar i mean so many guys come from that area eddie alvarez you and i mean it's just mark henry's one of the most underappreciated guys in mma i think because he's so quiet and unassuming doesn't toot his own horn but when you talk to that guy you see the wheel spinning like wow he's something serious and everybody i know that's worked with him has said

29:42he's like one of the best coaches i've ever seen there's nothing like it i remember the first time i went he broke it down i remember he was telling me movement on the show he broke me down a little bit like we're gonna work like throw a punch slide out slide back slide left clinch different stuff staying out of punching range he broke it down very lightly for six weeks and like i fell in love with it there is that the first time you worked with him you asked him to this day when we was in the back the first fight to get in the house and that was the last fight i told my coach i like to warm up early this is so i want to start warming up before the first fight just to get my heart going it was a wrestling thing go hard and he just chills till time and when i was going he's like have you ever done this before i had no background anything just a wrestler that could throw a one-two that was it

30:20and he was like i'm gonna show you this and he kept telling me to do it and i was listening like bro you listen so well like when i'm wrestling you have to listen and that's when me and mark clicked from that day and i remember when they flipped the coin and it came off frankie saying frankie get the first pick i remember hearing mark in the back core we want core he listens he's a wrestler this is this and me and mark have been like this since and we have that bond but i remember coming the first day to his house i got the jersey is that's how i got there mark was the one to text me frankie say oh come on ricardo i met everybody together but mark was the one that was more hands-on texting me while i was back home with the family work this work that work this work that go to roof of sport and work your kicks we need to have the kicks good by the time you get here and it was

30:58in the basement like all right so you see like this whole piece of paper like all the way down like codes everybody's codes wrote out on paper and what is that like oh that's the combos like that's like 100 combos like oh yeah we got codes like nobody ever knows this and it changes the code for each fight right yeah and i'm like what is that and you see my paper just blank like all right so this is your schedule he had me on the first go this is your schedule and that was just packed like 13 weeks of non-stop going and like and this is what we're gonna work for your code so today we're gonna start with the jab cross ski the codes for that and movement about three rounds and i was like yo like i'm flat-footed i couldn't move like i can't do this he's like you could do it it's like a tandem dance and we joined the dance team the first day we learn this new routine we're gonna be all over

31:39we're tripping each other every day and the next day we get a little better and a week we got it kind like the first the first course we got by the end of time it's time to perform we're gonna look beautiful i promise you and sure enough he he's uh i found he had the pizza reel like i want to slice the pizza like i want you to learn how to move like you learn how to move i'll give you a slice of my pizza he's that when you can move i'll bring you a slice of pizza i heard he's got some killer pizza pretty good i think like it was week 10 before the fight i had 13 we can't like you you actually move a little bit i tell my wife to bring you home a slice it was like i got his approval and ever since then like it's just been a thing that movement his his scientific ways yeah like i've seen chris wyman do it rashad evans we got lance palmer and claudia now different people like

32:22watching and trying to learn you can just see oh lance palmer's out there too now he just came out recently he was uh last week when before i left he showed up who else is out there who would you say claudia claudia she had a gym out there and she's been at our gym working and when mark was like helping them after sparring last thursday and he called me in the cage like cory cory's really good to show them how we do the the one two blah blah blah and like when i look back at them they both had that look at each other like uh that's a lot that's a lot of shit but you figure it out in time when it's new anything new to you it's going to be uncomfortable but after you figure it out and you do it for so much as muscle memory so when you were fighting as a heavyweight you weren't a mover you weren't i mean

33:00what i thought was moving wasn't moving but for heavyweight it was just kind of like a little bounce bouncing my knees if they go step four when they go throw a punch hop out and then come back with a jab to a double a right that's what i had standard yeah that was movement i thought i was the man i'm moving my ass off no that was nothing you get the mark and it's kind of like feet on your toes bounce bounce don't ever stop when you stop it hit you like 10 times like that's what happened when you stop it's really interesting when you watch the difference between the way people utilize footwork i think probably the best example in combat well there's two great examples in combat sports lomachenko who has got some of the most incredible footwork of all time and sanchai who's a tie fighter who's got crazy

33:38footwork constantly switching stances light on his toes fights different than any other tie fighter and widely considered the best of all time you know and lomachenko like when you watch guys who have good footwork fight him they're like what in the fuck like you throw a punch and he's over here and he's hitting you here and uppercuts coming under your arm he's he's back this way and he's like the matrix constantly moving and that guy started out as a dancer his dad when he was his dad was training him out of box he made him do russian folk dancing i think i want to say for like four years he made him do this this kind of russian style of dancing he was like you gotta you're gonna have to learn how to move your feet and now you see him he fights it's effortless it's just a part of who he is and

34:25guys are like more plotting and they're used to that normal stationary target he's so much more complex and you see any obviously fantastic puncher too but the footwork is off the charts it's just such a different thing there's levels to everything and you i guess realized that when you went from heavyweight to training with mark mark yep but like we said the footwork thing one thing i've seen uh an mma the holloway ortega fight yeah i feel like in my mind i feel like i was watching lemon chaco mma how holloway was like hitting angles because brian isn't like a mover type he's just a game he's biting down he's gritty he's ready to go and it seemed like as the round like third fourth and fifth or third and fourth round like when he would go to punch max would switch southpaw yeah and when he go to counter he go back with the hook this but it was just like yo his footwork right

35:15now was like i watched it probably like seven times just studying his feet like how was he he never lost balance one time and i was like this is just incredible i love watching that like he said dance it's beautiful yeah max is very good at distant control distance control he's one of the very best at just moving slightly out of range then right back in and he puts a lot of pressure on you because of that too there's no if he catches you breathing heavy if he catches if he sees any slowing down in you he starts pouring it on like he starts trying to get you to wilt he sees it it's very and very interesting how he does it too because he does it with he overloads you not just with his attack but also with all the variables that you see the combinations the switching and the putting pressure on you just is there's so much going on that you're always thinking about it and it's

36:01just that on top of it makes you more tired yeah he's good at smelling the blood yeah he's good he knows a lot of people i know that's one thing i'm not good at i don't i'm working on it mark was telling me the other day like i want to start finishing people with the hands like you had so many fights where you couldn't but you hit a guy with a combo and you take a shot like the guy be right you just don't see it instead of keep punching him you shoot he'll stop punching you shoot on him it's like i hit guys with combos and like when i go to the boxing you're like bro you box like you a boxer but you're going to your fights and you box just to get to your takedowns but that's because i'm a wrestler yeah i can box i don't have to but i will do you think there's a a worry though when you're trying to finish fights versus just trying to fight your best i think guys should just fight their

36:43best and if the finish comes it comes i'm of the opinion that i'm of the opinion that when people make big mistakes and i wouldn't discourage anybody from going crazy if someone likes to go crazy they like to fight wild hey man that's you that's your style that's how you express yourself nothing wrong with it but if i was going to give some advice they said what should i do i want to have a long career as a professional i'd say fight your best don't worry about the outcome just fight your best and if you fight your best and if you connect and someone gets hurt and you put them away that's great but if you just win that's great too just fight your best the more the more you can do what you can technically and take as little damage as possible that's a good fight and that's like i said that's something else the osp fight mark said it like you just gotta smothered you got a

37:32whole camp like he's got that good kick and the osp fight and gian valente the two fights mark called the only things i can get knocked out with he said with gian valente the only thing this guy can knock you out with is overhand right he says you got to bring that jab right back after you've got a good job but bring your hands back because he times that overhand right so smooth and even in between rounds like you eat overhand right i know it's not hurting you but it only takes one it takes one keep that hand up keep that hand up and sure enough to this day he say remember i told you overhand right and then with osp he's like only thing i can get you with is that head that left kick if you stay close to him keep the pressure keep him on the cage when he's down he stand up bring him back down don't listen to the fans people gonna boot again get in your head and make you

38:12want to strike trying to get in that fight that's they want to see but we just trying to get the win don't go right and keep pressure do not go right and keep pressure if you watch that fight the whole two rounds pressure not going right going left put him to the cage take him down keep him down the cage he stand up bring him back third round i took him down he piled up when i was against the cage i can remember here if you say oh let's stand up and fight stand up and fight and i bagged away for a second i started moving like i must play from the outside a little bit and i went right right into the head kick and i was like and when i came first thing mark said in the back hey bro you look phenomenal you just went right like you look great you just went right everything was beautiful that fight that was your breakthrough fight you you just went right but we're gonna go back you're gonna do

38:57better i know you will and i was just like after that i guess i went to drum but i was like fuck what the fans say we went with the fans say but like you said when you and shabba's on i listened before and you say i beat little tf i beat this but you don't hear my name it's because i'm not trying to do the stuff that's exciting anymore i'm just winning and my style ain't exciting them but that's because you're not a mixed martial arts fan you're a fan of a knockout or you're a fan of some fancy stuff they're talking johnny walker of this isn't this johnny walker hasn't shown mixed martial art shit he's shown fancy stuff that knock people out it looks great yes but just like anthony smith and all those guys and they get in front of somebody like john jones and you can't hit them with that one punch what are you gonna do you know i mean so that's the thing i say right now i'm not fighting

39:40he's saying when you're gonna fight i don't know but i'll be ready because i can do everything yeah we were just talking about johnny walker he's in surgery now who he had to go through surgery for a shoulder because of that that celebration that celebration which is so crazy he wins he beats sakrunoff with a beautiful timed knee perfect flying knee looks fantastic and then drops to the ground just playing around and blows his fucking shoulder out it's crazy that's the game anything can happen anything can happen when it when it happens like that it's like god damn man you're so promising um he's a he's a i mean what what gets people excited when people finish fights right when people ko people and so a lot of times people try to lean towards that but if that's not your style you know you should you should fight the way you're if i was in your corner first of all i'd say listen

40:29to mark henry mark henry knows everything and then second of all i'd say don't change shit man what you're doing is perfect just just fight the way you're fighting the way you're fighting is just you're winning you know you win you're you're i just think that it should be what it should be emphasized always to fight the best you can fight intelligently and you got to decide and everybody has to decide when is it time to take a risk when is it time to close the distance when is it time to put pressure on someone and and throw yourself into the fire to try to get a finish and if you just think you should just fight technically look man fucking floyd mayweather's done that most of his career especially like later on when he was pretty boy floyd earlier on his career he's trying to knock a lot of guys out but later on in

41:13his career in most of his big fights like with pacquiao and a lot of other guys like he just wins he just wins and he makes more money than anybody just wins trust me i'm in my mind i know exactly i'll tell you when i get into sparring no sparring is not going to work on things you know every every saturday going to sparring my wife's drive she's like what are we working on today we're going to try to work on putting a little more emphasis on the punches and not shoot right away blah blah blah on the ground more ground and pound don't worry about the jujitsu submission just hit this and this when it's come time to fight when that lights come on saturday night and joe or bruce buffering in there you sit at the side it's a whole different game plan i know what i can do i know what's right and that's why i

41:50get into those spots and like i tell myself take a shot it's muscle memory but i hit him he put his hands up and he stopped the legs is wide open of course i was an ncaa all-american uh ncaa finalist why would not shoot i take him down exactly and if you look at my last three fights i feel like going back and watching them those you can't say i'm one-sided because a leer everybody oh no way he can wrestle a leer a leer is way more powerful and better wrestler he works for uh whatever where he's from albanian world team he couldn't take me down and i was struck him you know you went to globe like oh glover's a finisher and a jujitsu guy of course goes to ground with him it's over and he cannot corey out i'll struck him i'll wrestle them and got him in mount and had him in side go i had him his had his back i had every position on him so you can't say i don't have jujitsu i don't

42:33have wrestling i don't have striking because they're and then pat cummins everybody like oh he was the ncaa do you want all american this is this he beat dc at otc he's gonna kill corey in wrestling stop this takedown and set the record with 13 takedowns on him who had the record at 11 it's like i don't understand the fans everybody got something to say i think you listen to people too much corey that's the problem my wife said all the time like every morning it's like no negativity today you should stay the fuck off line that's what you should do don't read that shit i'm doing the hunting stuff and i'll post the stuff it's like it's like gonna put it pops i'm gonna pop up and then you see questions yeah like or at the top of the screen it'll drop down or pop up in the notification or i get a email notification somebody said you see half of it and i'm like don't open

43:18don't open it i'm driving like i wonder the rest of it say it could be a good thing it might be bad and i actually open it up later on and somebody's saying something bad and it's like like my wife just said she's like i see it just don't pay no attention to it but yeah you're you're allowing negativity into your life that you don't need i mean you think about your camp you got all these positive people all these motivated people all these professionals you know exceptional human beings right everybody training and grinding together and then you got schmoes that are contacting you on twitter or instagram or whatever and just saying a bunch of nonsense and that could fuck with your head you know i and these are not people that would ever say that if they were in front of your face it's just it's a gross way to communicate it's just it's not a hell it's like

44:02it's like passing by a shitty fast food restaurant being drawn in to eat and then you eat and you're like god why don't eat that garbage it's the same thing it's like you're eating it's like fast food for your brain it's it's so tempting because you just want to read those comments and most of the people are probably good people who are fans most of them but all it takes is 10 assholes and you never want to look at your comments again one out of 10 that's not hard to get 10 percent you know 10 assholes it's like pretty damn good in the real world you know if you only run into one out of 10 that's an asshole you know or one out of 100 even if it was one out of 100 in your comments that are shitty you don't want to read those comments yeah it's just for a fighter man it's so much of it is about mindset and and just being focused and not having any distractions and i

44:49think those comments are a giant distraction you know you don't need anybody telling you what to do you got mark fucking henry you you got ricardo almeida you got all these world champions around you like you don't need any any other information you're getting plenty of information you know fuck all that shit you shouldn't even look at it you should post and just run away just post something and don't even look at it just keep going just keep going just i gotta work it i know i gotta work on it because what you're saying right now all the things you were saying about beating glover about beating alir latife yeah but you're saying it like you're arguing with somebody you're saying like someone told you you can't do it but who gives a fuck what they said you did do it so why argue with someone who clearly doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about anyway right but in your head

45:36you're like they said i couldn't do this like so you still have that see you know what i'm talking about you have that battle 100 because mark they tell me all the time like bro quit feed like don't don't even read it where i come from small me and my brother we also have that mentality like people like to talk this and this yeah we weren't the type that we ain't gonna sit there and talk back and forth it's like i and that my first response to anybody they're talking shit like all right put your hands up let's right i'm ready to fight you say the truth i'm gonna prove you wrong that's probably my time like they always said cory couldn't do this you wouldn't do that you wouldn't do this my whole life like in college like cory you're not good enough to go to midlands we only take five guys on team and i'm guaranteed coach ain't gonna take you but the two years i was there i was a guy that went to

46:17midlands the first pick every time like i'm always shooting to prove somebody wrong do you feel like that's a part of your motivation yes it's always been that way but you're also your motivation is obviously excellence there's no way it could just be to prove someone wrong as hard as you work no but that's just let's put that's how i got to the mentality and the work ethic i got because in high school i wasn't like this i sucked in high school i lost way i i didn't win a match i was sophomore in high school really i've been wrestling since third grade like i was ass-tastic and i was horrible like why i got beat one time the coach left me up they left they loaded the bus and left me sitting there because you got beat the way you got beat yes they didn't want to bring you home it wasn't i got beat the way i got i lost to a girl joe oh you lost to a girl dead ass i didn't have the mental

47:02i lost now when i got out the mat the team was gone when i was outside the bus was gone only reason i got home because the varsity came for a duel that night and the coach like why are you still here wow that's fucked up yeah that's a ruthless coach but that's the thing i wasn't i was that boy like they got the little boy that cry wolf you know i was always trying to get out of workouts i was fat i was lazy at the time growing up i loved the outdoors i love video games i love eating junk you know i didn't always have this mindset so when it came to a point when i wanted to do good and i was trying to take my first injury my very first injury sophomore year in high school before conference i snapped my ankle cleanser and i remember everybody when i was sitting there hurt first time i was actually hurt but i had faked so many injuries even a coach came up and like tell me get up

47:43of course y'all was faking everybody's running sprints so you get up because they all thought i was faking but i was actually hurt and my buddy stopped right he grabbed me and took me to the trainer in the trainer's like i was probably sprung he'll be fine i went to the doc my dad came and got me went there he did the x-ray i'm up there was like this much bone holding my foot from falling off my leg my ankle is like pretty much shattered why did nobody bring you in like they kept saying there was nothing wrong and i went back to the x-ray and i was like oh bro we're so sorry like you have been like for so long since i've been wrestling since third grade you know i did it because my brother did right i want to do everything he did but i didn't have the drive he had but after that scene the way everybody kind of like dogged me out i remember coming back from recovery from that

48:19and the first time i ran after an injury and even in my mind like i can't run this i can't run yet and i did and i was limping and i was scared it was gonna break again when i made it to where i was going i was like bro i can do this it's just it's all here now that's my real everything is mentality like i never had any problem i was just lazy i didn't want to work so i was finding a way out and after that the next year you can ask the coach they told my parents i got moved into the varsity tournament what the first or second match and i took second and third in a varsity tournament after wrestling jv ford a year before and i lost to the guy that won the thing the difference between core now is night and day is because i realized if i put my mind to it and just work quit work my dad said it too that's the thing my dad pushed on so young at such a young age

48:57my brother got it he was a star athlete but he didn't get the the openings and the opportunities i had you know because he was always working for my father and working here and working there he didn't have the time to do camps and all that me being the youngest it was a little easier for me i seen what he did what he told me what my brothers my sisters and teammates and all the different people around me had done i knew the way i needed to go to get somewhere but being a star athlete a professional athlete was never a goal of mine i wanted to be an engineer i love building club houses and shit like that that was what i wanted to do wow but all that open doors i wanted to go to school to university wisconsin platteville for an engineer program but just like sports my grades was ass i didn't i didn't try so i went there to hang out with my friends and be cool right you know

49:39i mean when i applied they messaged me back saying your gpa isn't good enough the wrestling coach wanted me there because by then i was good in wrestling my last few years i killed it i never made the state but i killed in the regional and sections i went all the sections and lost in the finals you had to go you had to win that or third whatever but um they said you can't get here but you gotta go to junior college you get your gpa up we can get you in again i went there i didn't plan on wrestling anymore i loved wrestling i cried when it was over but then um i got david clemp matt hughes is old coach that's how i met matt hughes through lincoln college he reached out to me i was like i heard about you you got the mentality of a war like you work hard you're a workhorse i need somebody like you to come here

50:14and work for me i can't get your scholarship because you didn't do much i don't have money left i give you 1800 bucks it was 27 000 i thought i was like a full ride i'm like oh i'm getting money you know i went there excited determined to get there and everybody like oh you're you're made a state you're not gonna do good this isn't this so again that was motivation from right there going to school like they don't think i can do this they my grades aren't good enough they don't think i can get education i'm not good enough at sports they don't think i'm all american i think i'm gonna go there and just be another member of the team i went there i cut up but right before the season snapped my leg in three i thought it was over again and that coach like i saw you fire a different leg injury same the same leg with a different injury like three years later bring it back to the first one

50:52that injury is what changed you well i got tired of people thinking i was faking so because you were injured for real in people thought you were faking it you realized something was wrong i feel i realized i have been lazy and my father my whole life you go to my old house right now in the garage it's still carved in there i never forget day it was probably like eight o'clock nine o'clock school night my dad woke me and my brother to help him do some stuff on the boat we tired you know we want to go to bed and we out there complaining the whole time he said you my dad if you've met my dad is the most motivating person ever don't have an education but he he started his own business from the ground up he's living the dream hunting properties whatever you want he can do it and that's where i got it from

51:29but it took me forever to realize this and i'll never forget the day it says it comes to me all the time i think about he stood up on the boat and was up against the garage door brand new garage door he just put up you know one thing i hate i cannot stand it's lazy and he took his drill and he cut l-a-z-y in the back of his brand new garage and it's still there till this day when i go home and i visit i go to that girl and you'll see it cut in the door lazy and he cannot stand it and if you know him the way he works he's just turned 59 tuesday and i could in his voice when i said you're at the job site aren't you oh he's they are working he got a bunch of 20 year olds at 30 he outworks everybody 59 years up up and down the ladder running the crane driving the truck to the shop and that's it he always said when i was a kid so i can only last so long i never understood what he said he

52:10was coming to me on the football field i'd be crying and moping it can only last so long son keep going it can only last so long i said like what the why do you always say that and then later on when it started getting hard i started thinking like practice going look at the clock it's like 45 minutes but it can only last so long it clicked like oh shit that's what my dad meant all these years it can only last just grind just go just go just put your nose and get to it so you have this injury sophomore year your ankle snaps and you realize you've been lazy so what what shifted in your mind what how did you change let me just stop worrying about excuses to get out of practice and figure out immediate or was it a gradual change as i was healing you know i was on bed rest for a while it was so bad and people come in and out and my brother used to come over at the time he was playing

52:58football or whatever and watching his games just like sitting there for so long away from all the sports and all your friends and just sitting there just yourself and i just realized like i i've been doing this since third grade i've seen this stuff a million times i know the moves i just don't apply i think when i get back if i actually start trying and drilling and actually practicing and getting that extra workout in i could cut up and sure enough that's what happened so what was the first step when i came back it was with that first run i was literally my dad's shop is probably 200 yards from my house and it was raining that's all that's the only reason why i ran because i didn't want to get wet i was like i'm about to run to the house and i'm thinking like but this leg i don't know if i can make it and then right then that doubt in my mind like why are you telling yourself you can't make

53:42it how many months out from the injury what i broke it in what january or december and this was summertime so it was long like i had to cast on for like five six months so really yeah and i went to air boot it was like it was five or six months it was bad and then like right now i got the plate and the screws in there but i broke some of the screws because i was like trying to move in a wrestling stance in my boot and i slipped my dad had um the tile of the cement and he had a little gloss over it and i was washing the cars one day and i was like i'm just gonna in my shadow said i don't know when i slipped on the wet spot and i slipped i felt it and the two of the pins that go across my ankle and it snapped so i had to wait for all that to heal again jesus christ it was a whole process so i was laid up for a while the two i still got the two long screws that they take out

54:25they leave the seven they go up the fem or the um tibia but the two long ones they're supposed to pull out but the middle when i slipped they've broken half my bone so that made the bone heal slower because now it's just a little spot they drilled through it opened up like that much that much more so i had to wait for all that to heal before i could actually walk do they take the screws out and put new ones in there they just so you got broken screws in your ankle if you look like when i work i'm like bro your ankle is fat as hell that's because the plate the plate and the screws the screws are so long the ankle won't the swelling and everything looks different exactly angle yeah let me see what it looks like which ankle that's a fat ankle that's the fat one and that's the normal one that was pretty fat too you got some big ankles dude oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah that's a big difference yeah

55:11so like when i get done training yeah this one is like this big because all the blood and everything's flowing around the screw wow so does it fuck with you anymore like when it gets cold out or anything i feel it but again mental everything is mental to me now right everything in life even she hates it because i tell her all the time she has a negative uh negative insight on something like find the positive in it like it's all in your mind babe you can make the best out of anything and i mean this this and this happened like well you could be dead or you're good or whatever like it's all in some words cancer you have no legs like she got her car smashed at work somebody hit the side of it tore it all up and had to go in a shot and i was like the windows didn't break those like think about it it dries and your windows ain't

55:51broke like it's the middle of winter it ain't gotta be cold think about that it could have toned the car yeah it's like a million different things you can find to be sad but find the good things to find the positive it's gonna get fixed eventually so this ankle fucks with you still but not enough to stop you nothing to stop yeah and you but does it affect you at all when you kick things depends yeah they dig in like if i can if they go to do the elbow like i go to kick the liver and you go to sit on it and like the elbow kind of catch it i feel it but again it doesn't stop me right it's just a sensation 15 minutes that's nothing it only lasts so long last so long i'm gonna bounce this out and keep going yeah so you get out of the injury you have the cast on you for five or six months you realize how blessed you were to be able to move around and

56:36that feeling once you get your your leg back under you and start moving again what what is the changes you make how do you start to move your life in this positive way well after i made that first jog and i realized i'm i'm good like i first doubted myself but i made it because i told myself i can do it i made it here there's no injuries i'm fine as i was just slow and steady just start hand fighting like good the little they had to take down dummies that hang on the wall let's go there and move you know not nothing fast just work hand fighting just kind of grab the leg working my shots in and out in and out in the morning before practice i used to go watch the guys for off-season practice study and then when i came back it was just oh i have the heavyweight coach that coach can we drill today you asked me to drill yeah coach can see i just want to work with i just want to do a little bit

57:21extra stuff and after practice he worked with me then the other coach would come work with me it got to the point where like in the morning i was in there before school and i was there after school for practice now stay after with coaching drills different stuff they must have been so confused they didn't like the coach is night and day like the difference between core now is night and day that must have been so strange you have this lazy kid and all of a sudden he becomes a savage they have when i go back to the school and i visit they always ask me to come talk to these people they call me a success story not only was this but i grew up in an area where there was no black people i was only black family there so we had racism my whole life you know i mean dealing with that so that's another man that was the mental the mental is the mental fucks of it all like no matter what i did

58:01you're gonna be wrong like i was another cory anderson too that was even worse and he was actually a troublemaker so when he would get in trouble they would always come get me out of the classroom like it was cory and i would get pulled i'm like i ain't even did i was a good kid never did nothing wrong like i'm down in the office and the principal walking like wrong cory like of course the wrong course every time i remember cory richard anderson and cory c anderson i'm cory c he's cory richard but they always pulled me in there and it was just because i was it was only a few of us in my high school and the fact that i never did drugs just like when we was on the ring i said i don't want i want to come here show and shoot with you i don't want to smoke i never did drugs i don't do none of that i've been a good kid but to deal with that stuff i used to get pulled over for no reason

58:39i had a nice truck s10 drops the ground with rims and speakers i used to get pulled over and me and my friends get put in cuffs and sit on the curb while they search the car looking for something when i went to college it was the same thing get pulled over all the time and teacher wouldn't be like every time you late for class you say you got pulled over like i'll tell them on the way here like i'm serious i have classmates i saw him like no he's telling truth miss starts we saw him on the side of the road like he always gets pulled over because nice vehicle black they always think it's something you know that's just where i'm from so we're dealing with that and the mentality i finally figured out like i said that's why when people doubt me i think trying to prove wrong because i had coaches in high school i won't put names on air but i remember even when i was doing good i knew i was doing good

59:20because i had led team in sacks i didn't start you know i mean i lay the the starting lineman out or beat this guy and this and that and this and that and i never got the position or something was around it and then when i came back after i made it to us like oh yeah i remember this like i ain't trying to hear that and the only coach in that high school i will say that that believed in me it was a wrestling coach marty kaiser marty kaiser made everything possible to make let me meet dave clem who was my junior college coach who led me to russ davy read me led me to ben asker who tim fader and everything and i've been blessed with the people in my life that bring me to frankie and mark and ricardo and i got like the awesome people around me like my mom says you've always been blessed to have a good circle of people and the one year i had a bad coach in college that's like my

60:03mom said we didn't have so much good don't let this one coach defeat you now i'll never forget him jason valick i'll put his name on air that guy that made me the toughest man i could because no matter what i did he wanted to make sure he could break me he had control over me i was 16 i was away from home in south carolina no family no money he had me on a full ride and he would just use that i got you here you here because of me you do this or i'm gonna cut you cut me then fuck it cut all right you're on the team all right i go get recruited and you put him back on the team you're still in l i you can't do that this is this so it's kind of like i think that's where i got the mentality where i want to prove people wrong because i beat the starter and i beat them bad 13 to 1 12 every time i wrestle i beat them but you're still not starting what the fuck you making me

60:47wrestle them all for like i don't beat them every time well you lost on the first duel of the match by riding time the first week of school not beat them every time but you're not gonna let me start nope because he pins people and you only get points kind of like fighting he knocks people out and you only win by decision that's kind of like all right so i left went to whitewater where i met ben and everything else again went there they coach knew who i was nobody else knew who i was because i didn't get to wrestle the year before i was a bench warmer the killer on the team but never wrestle that's so crazy killer never wrestle my parents would drive 16 hours to watch me duel and he'd make me sit the bench the whole tournament it'd be a tournament he'll be like you're not wrestling today my parents would be like you're not wrestling they're like my parents drove six you're not wrestling

61:26like you got me eight hours from the school my parents drove all the way up and i can't wrestle what was this guy's problem we don't know i got teammates now and guys are still fighting everything they're like bro you got out of there and like a lot of guys he had them there academically he's like oh we're gonna short term short credits you business you're gonna do half credits but you're gonna be able to wrestle so he was just a dick to a lot of guys he just wanted to win that was it so like guys would finish their wrestling career but they didn't have their credits to graduate like coach i need help like what can i do you don't wrestle for me no more it's like bro i'm only here because of you but i left he kept hitting me up like oh you keep coming back and next year i'll let you start next year if you beat him again fuck and i was like you

62:06exactly i said i went to the ad office told him what was going on they gave me my letters and let me transfer out but i couldn't go division two like you can leave but you can't go division two he can't hold you back anymore like that's fine i'm out i left like a month before school and he showed up at my house one day and like where are you i'm at your house like i'm gone bro like what do you mean i'm going like i'm done i'm transferring like you can't i showed him the papers like how did you get that like i went behind your back i got it done i'm out of there and uh tim fader the coach at whitewater i remember he pulled up at my house i almost didn't go back to school because he kind of got out of my head like i don't want to go nowhere else and waste my last year of school doing the same shit i can't trust anybody there i took what six the year before an injury but i was beating

62:46everybody you know i only lost a d1 d2 guys and so it was like i don't want to go anywhere else and somebody gonna screw me over a full ride but then this guy pulled up in my driveway when i was working one day like i'm looking for corey anderson i've seen him before but i didn't really know much about him and we went to lunch or whatever he was like i know your story but the thing is i can't give you a full ride because the d3 we can't give money but i want you to wrestle for me this isn't this and like i said when i went d3 nobody knew who i was because i didn't get to wrestle but he knew like we're not even gonna let you wrestle for a while so i thought right after the gig go like what are you saying like what the fuck like no it ain't that he said i don't want people to know what we got we're gonna wait till the first home duel and i'm gonna let you loose

63:25and the first home duel at the number three dude in the country and i'll never forget that week he said you ready like what you mean like it's the time you get to come out gave me my singer like you ready to show up like you know i'm ready dog the number three guy out by like 12 points and i was like who the fuck is this kid he was like yes i'm finally home and then shortly after i met russ davy a guy who came from colorado who coached in wisconsin he was my heavyweight coach olympic guy and then uh he brought in ben asker is how i got in the fight and the ben it was just like like i said the people around you it just mold you like i'm blessed i'm sitting thinking about it and it makes me feel good because all the things i've been through and everything it all worked out yeah having that dick coach probably helped it helped me it wasn't about

64:05and my coach told me when i signed when i signed like coach gave me a four as one that kept saying they give me a full ride he kept saying corey ain't all about the money like it's the most decision in your life it's not about the money coach climp and steven bradley and they both said like it's not about the money core remember it's the most decision most important decision of your life don't let the money fuel you but that was that's what it was for me i'm you know i went to school as a walk-on pretty much now i'm getting full ride offers from everywhere and i'm going to the number one school division two they give me a full ride like i thought that was something when i got there i figured out what he meant and i'll never forget calling both coaches like you guys are right i'm back home now i'm trying to figure out what's now like well you can go nai i know a few

64:42schools that want you it's good coaches blah blah blah and i'm just gonna chill and think about it when that coach came and the fact that he came to my house reached out to me he told me i can't get you money but i want you for you and as a leader and i first got there even though he told me he wasn't gonna let me wrestle he let me run practice for like the first month because he couldn't teach it before season got there i want you to like run practice this this and this because you got that mentality you can help these guys show what you did in d2 number one school you can show us stuff here you know i ended up being the first ncaa all-american or ncaa finals the school had in 22 years you know i let the team in takedowns all the way up until like the regional tournament my roommate beat when we had a competition going i did a lot of things that most people didn't see heavyweights do

65:22the way i shot the way i wrestled my mentality i was always working i was doing strength and conditioning before practice and before the morning like six o'clock we had strength and conditioning and i got a class at one i'd be in the gym lifting or doing circuit training till three and it went from just me to me and my teammate or me and my roommate to other teammates and like you said people would see how you're doing it and they would jump in and before you know it was like six or seven of us working out feeding off each other yeah yeah and we just motivating each other yeah and the bond we had there as a team like i remember getting there and everybody's like oh what's our goal only i thought about was nationals everybody we want to win nationals or win conference like what the fuck y'all talking about conference that's like the first step you got

66:01conference regionals all this national what about the big picture like oh we would never won conference before you know like we should still want to get nationals and like by the end of the year everybody was feeding off each other we had we had three guys from the same high school me the 97 80 not or 87 or 84 pounds excuse me and they called us a high nigga death row because i was our school and like death row sugar night and all that so one guy printed up shirts and it was us three and it was like it was so cool to have three guys that was from the same school we grew up right down the street from each other but we all went separate ways one went here one went there we ended up in junior college together we and the one guy that in our very last year we all end up together as a team captains senior year is our last time to do it together the hoorah

66:44wow and we brought like our whole high school would come to all our matches and it was only like an hour from home it was just cool man and i was like i said when i met ben there and he brought me to this thing and i didn't want to fight again i was i had a doubt in my mind i want to go to that but i want to go back to your your high school days when you made that big shift did you slip at all like you you went from being a guy who was kind of lazy and under motivated to a guy who's very disciplined that it was like night and day but was there ever a time where you fell back to your old ways i mean it was sounds like it took a lot of motivation and pep talked to myself to get out and do something every time like i wanted to instead of go work out go play video right so i was big in a dirt bike in a four-wheeler and like when i get off the bus you can hear the dirt bikes come to my

67:27house i had the motocross track in my backyard me and the neighbor he had a freestyle track i got a dirt bike track and i get off the bus and be thinking like i'm about to go do my homework i'm gonna go do a little workout lift or something and you hear him coming it's like oh i want to go ride instead i want to go ride but at the same time like you're a wrestler you're a wrestler i forgot to which one is first you know i let the guys go ride on my track and i'll do push-ups or whatever and do my homework whatever it was i do just a little something as long as i get something if i did a little bit of something that's more than the next person right you know by the time my senior year came around it was kind of like i still wasn't all in but i was a little more i didn't get all in until after that second injury in college and the second injury in college was the same injury

68:06same leg same leg different injury what'd you do this time i snapped my leg in three how did you have a freak accident this to this day i i just remember hearing the was it wrestling wrestling me and my coach drilling very slow very slow drilling but we had brand new mats so they were super sticky and i had brand new wrestling shoes which were super sticky and i remember the drill coach morgan like hi so we're gonna work the the chain wrestling i shoot a single leg you get the single back when i shoot a double you bump with the hips you snap to your shot he grabbed a single leg i snapped the foot down he shot double when i hit him with my hips i fell backwards and hear a pop but i didn't feel it and he stood over me i remember him standing over feet on both sides like don't look down we said don't look down now somebody tell you don't look you're gonna look

68:51i look and my my foot was like pointed like this and it was down i'm like i turned up and i started arm recording we got a pool on the other side of the door and i'm trying to get to the door and just drown myself in pain not a pain kick i'm trying to get in the pool i'm trying to drive but like it hurt like i was like i want to die i'm just going i remember flipping you over you're trying to drown this shouldn't go through your mind when shock hit when shock things that hit you you don't think that's a crazy thing to think i'm gonna go drown myself it hurt you oh you ever snapped your leg no no you know the nerves you know how that could have not one spot three spots so it's like shooting up your whole leg to your back it's like all the shoulders of the point it's like i just want to just over with it it's like i'm just gonna go

69:30jump in the water wow first thing in my mind go bare cross fall in the water that's a crazy instinct man i wasn't the most sane kid but i was the most certain first thing in my mind go find the water just just end it you know and they flipped me over and i remember they threw it up on a punching bag so it had nothing to do with the old injury nothing to do it oh it's completely just a totally different probably like four or five inches up from the old injury just it just snapped freak accident that's what they kept saying it's a freak accident so what do they do then uh go to the hospital that day and they snap i remember the guy that snatches it back pulls around and snatches and lines all the bones up and they put it like we're putting the cast now but you gotta get plates and pins to set this straight and that one i was out for again that was october 27th and i came back

70:13i got the release back january 13th or 14th it was like a little bit before regional and we didn't have a heavyweight all year because i got hurt and the other guys got kicked out of school whatever so three months ish yeah and you were back well i wasn't back but i was cleared to start drilling i remember begging the coach like coach just let me come back i can save with six points because every time one guy don't wrestle that's automatic six did they have to put plates in your shin i'm on the side of my leg i got a plate you can feel it if you bring your hand up down it's like all bent up and from now all the wars and shit kicks and wrestling it's like all wobbly bent warp holes all kinds of stuff from getting kicked getting kicked in it from wrestling people do foot sweeps you ever get like an x-ray of it to see what it looks like i'm having an x-ray forever

70:55i'd like to see what it looks like pretty bad by now i remember my first tournament when somebody foot swept me oh my goodness that feeling like guy had me an underhook and he kicked that plate and i just fell like he didn't kick my foot i just fell because it's the first time you feel it and that pain slip you've never felt it right your nerves run up and down that so when it hit and everything just shut and i just fell and he pinned me i was like coach like what's wrong like yo my leg gave i'm still on the mat like i don't know what the fuck happened and like your nerves are training something like you got nerves on the side of the leg you run at the plate what he did he probably kicked it right and hit the plate and another thing it had to get in my mind said like this is going to happen often you just got to be able to toughen it up and just go through it yeah you have a

71:34an extra vulnerable spot now yeah yeah and have you been low leg kick there a lot oh yeah a lear fight he did it like four times same spot low leg kick it's just like i said i got to a point now i just deal with it that was in 2007 this is 2019 it's 12 years of dealing with you get to a point where it's kind of like it's not really a pain anymore it's just a just a pesky injury you feel it some of those injuries they'll go in after it's healed up and take the plate out they said they can do you want to do that but to do that because i got the broken pins because those pins are so broke they got cut like a whole section out my leg what do you mean i'll be out a commission for a long time i'm like i'm used to it now is there any benefit if they do that i get my whole leg back that's it i get my leg back that's the only benefit it's like i said i can train right yeah

72:20like it's just gonna bother you it's like i deal with it yeah when i retire we do all that but right now there's no problem wow so you have this shift in high school you you make it to senior year and you're a different person night and day but you're still not the cory anderson of today so the second injury what does the second injury do for you when you snapped it the second injury that was just i mean that just because i didn't get to show what i can do it motivated me that much more that when i come back i gotta be undeniable i gotta show i gotta do like nobody knows what i can do because i didn't make it to state my senior year in high school right but then we went to team state and i pinned the guy that took fourth in state so i knew i could do it but i just didn't make it there so when i got hurt my freshman freshman year i was going that was the year i was going to show

73:07people corey anderson what y'all used to know what you think this is this then i got hurt and it kind of set me back you know just in my mind i was very i was sad like i remember being at home i was emotionally sad but when i went to go back and i couldn't focus on wrestling i just put my mind on schoolwork and that's when i figured out i can do schoolwork i finished my freshman year with a 3.25 gpa after missing like three four months i had to make up everything and take tests and that's when i realized like i can do that too so that was more thing i got the thing i got out of that injury not so much the athletic part i was more motivated to work even harder next year but i found the fact that i can do schoolwork if i want to again it's just a mental thing to have to take the time to study i've never i had never studied before that ever didn't do any homework it was i borrow somebody's

73:53homework or take somebody's nose and try to fill in answers just to get something to say it was a completion credit but when i had nothing to do i couldn't wrestle i couldn't you know i couldn't run i couldn't go play basketball in the back but everybody else it was the only thing i can focus on now is school at the time when i came back my gpa dropped like two point something because i hadn't been in class for so long so i had to get all that up before the end of the year and finish with a 3.0 at least i finished with 3.25 for that was my to make academic all-american was my that was my highlight of my freshman year i didn't get to wrestle all-american but i had the academic all-american that's something i can work on because as a kid my parents my mom in eighth grade bet me a hundred dollars i wouldn't graduate my own mother and she's my mom my biggest motivation ever before my

74:40son before my son came here my mother was the hand that pushed me over everything she's always my dad comes to the work ethic my mom was always make sure you do things right you can do this this and this always helped me my struggle with reading she's helped me learn how to read faster read better and do things to the best of my ability in the academic world because sports and hard work is going to be there but education is something you can always fall back on so but i was just so bad i used to and i live next door to the middle school so i was bad the eighth grade year they open a new high or middle school up the street from my house so i would mess up from school i don't do homework i don't know why i think i would get away with it i'm getting out of class my mom's sitting in the principal's office because it was done for a walk for it they call like cory didn't do his homework

75:19again because she was on it she would call like if cory messed up in school called me she had me in summer camp i had to go to summer school one year when i passed all my classes because she wanted me to get that fact like just because you pass they let you pass don't mean you did good you pass but you're gonna learn how to work you're gonna but that was another thing i didn't have the mentality that my mom wanted me to have when it come to working for academics and stuff so what made you do that what what was the shift that caused that from the the injury the second i said i had nothing else to focus on it was either that or become a bum at the school sit in my room skipping class and fell out so i had to get my grades up if i wanted to wrestle next year so it probably been something that was

75:57bothering you already it didn't bother me i didn't care about my grades because as long as i was athletic doing athletics the way it's kind of like the movies if you're competing and they know you're good your assets to the team the teachers help you they try they don't give you but they help you out you got questions ask questions they won't fail you right you know if they can do everything they can to make sure i learn so were you realizing because the injury that maybe your athletic career wouldn't be there and you needed you needed to get this education if i did because now i didn't have the help i had in class when i was an athlete they help you a little bit more but now i'm not wrestling it's kind of like my gpa doesn't matter for the team anymore and i have been missing from school for so long when i came back it's kind of like now i got a lot to make up for i just gotta do it on my own

76:40i was studying that's all i had class in my dorm room class from that point on from that injury then you you get your academic work in order and you start being disciplined in all our areas of your life and you feel like that carried over everything athletics as well everything works together yeah everything works for one thing and yeah talk about that okay like first thing we learn at orientation the college coach comes as we go in the room like guys we got your athletic scholarship but you're here as a student athlete and i remember going back and coaching at the same college and him giving the same speech and he right on the board student athlete we're gonna make it in two parts first part student second part athlete so we're gonna write it on the board what does this mean so first priority school after that next priority athletics to me after that you got your family

77:27then is making sure you stand out of trouble and that the last thing the very most important thing to come to college is just social life the rest of that everything else comes first and at the end then you worry about your friends and trying to be cool and all the extra stuff you know you i'm 17 when i went to college i graduated high school at 17 so i'm young i'm not even an adult but in my mind i'm on my own i'm doing what i want blah blah blah i'm showing out i'm being an ass you know right not like getting in trouble but not paying attention to school i'm not worried about the student part i'm just an athlete i'm they're not gonna ask questions act like i'm struggling and they're trying to help me out you know but i know they're not gonna give me an f because i'm i'm trying but i really wasn't i'm asking questions i'm sitting in front of class so you're not gonna

78:08give me an f but they're gonna make sure i don't i'm eligible to wrestle but i'm not gonna fail right so when you get injured you realize that ain't there no more because you ain't got nothing to wrestle for you all school now so now you got you you can't say i got practice so i can't i can't study was that a big eye-opener for you when you realized that you can do good at school too that's 100 because in your whole life when you didn't try yeah you didn't care and had that no child left behind pretty much before they made it an official thing it was always there because i know i didn't do enough in school but somehow i graduated every year somehow i graduated because there's always one teacher one person i looked out for me like i said i've been blessed to have that and middle school is miss vermet to this day we still talk i go home we have lunch breakfast

78:49whatever really yes if it wasn't for i probably would have dropped out of high school that's cool yeah that's very cool so so in college now your athletic career is in order you're you're you're getting your school work in what was it that made you even consider being an mma fighter ben asker yeah funky ben funky ben and i didn't even consider he tricked me because i mean all through college i had teammates that did mma they all wrestled but when it was over they all amateur mma fights of course you should try it like your movement and stuff you're so like on your feet and fast as your weight you can kill it but i got metal plate in my leg bro i had to throw my shoulder and i got so many injuries i wouldn't be good i'd be laid up too much like i didn't like what you think this isn't this denied denied denied it my senior year fifth year

79:36senior ben comes up he started working with me and ben was like one of my main wrestling partners and kind of like you say with lemon chaco like you got somebody you go to punch he's not there ben's the same way in wrestling and i used to try to pick his brain how do you do this like i'll be dead to right on a double a pick you up in the air i go to take you down i land on my face and you know where to be found you on my back how does that happen that's why they call me the funk man the king of the funk the same hair come in practice with sandals kick it off put his shoes on he just look like a floppy guy like that's the crazy thing about him he doesn't look physically imposing like this is this has been like this is no i'm about to blow through this dude hit him with double a gone every time high crotch gone i took him down i think one time my college career clean

80:17takedown and it's just like what the and after college i was like i want to do the olympics bro and you've been there but i don't know any freestyle rules oh we can work together whatever him and my coach both wrestle at the olympic level working together and then one day he sent me an address like oh i'm not making it here today but meet me here at this address and we'll work blah blah blah bring a year i get up there and it's roof of sport but it's outside of a bank it's still like it's underneath a bank downstairs yeah i've been so i'm looking like what the fuck is where am i going and i text like oh go to the side it's downstairs you're going to see a sign roof of sport this and this and i walk down the stairs like what is he must have mats in here or something i go in there and you got ufc there doing uh anthony pettis doing a jump off kick making some photo for the magazine

80:58or whatever and you got like pascal cruz and sergio pettis you got ben asher and it was a few other eric coke other ufc guys i'm looking like what is going on all these guys hitting pads they got mma practice and ben run out the kid oh hey cool i'm glad you can make this isn't this this ain't no wrestling gym what is this he's like oh yeah well i want to talk to you about that welcome to a new sport what what it's like i mean i know i heard you say you didn't want to fight whatever but bro i think you could be good i just want you to try it if you don't if you don't like it after you try it we'll go back to wrestling blah blah blah this is this i'm like all right and i go to the front desk and the lady i meet at the front desk to introduce me was my wife now didn't know that that's crazy that's like what is so i get the gear they give me some gloves and whatever

81:43and i was like you know i really don't want to do like the training all right so i'm deciding watch i hit the bag a little bit i'm just watching and at the time this is where my mind's already set you got an opportunity you gotta try it but i didn't try it that day i remember driving home it's an hour and a half drive hold you i met myself like you're a bitch talking myself like you're a bitch cory you didn't do that you had opportunity you ain't even take it you're a bitch i can't believe you didn't do that so i get home i tell ben like i'm sorry i didn't try but i'd like to do it again like well it's good because tomorrow morning 9 a.m we up there all right get up early 7 35 motorcycle up shoot all the way up to milwaukee i get there roof duke roof over and oh cory nice to meet you i heard about you this is this like i can't yes sir but i didn't do it but i want to try it today i just

82:22watched like well that's good i'm glad you came like why is that like stay sparring day like like i had to spar with no spar at all ever before i did amateur boxing when i broke my leg yeah i did like boxing at a gym for rehab because my brother-in-law was a professional boxer at the time and i had two amateur fights and uh so i had that and i came with my gloves and everything but old ratty title gloves falling apart and like all i got is my gloves and my shorts like don't worry we got gear we get you stuff hey gear and shin pads this and this they gave me two opposite combat corner shin pads almost like a youth and one was like an extra loss so one comes my knee and one cover like half my shin like this old raggedy head gear they got a mouthpiece like yeah that's all you need so we're gonna spar so my first time i go with ben so ben you know taking it easy on me

83:07boom boom i punch he shoot on me i defended in mma it's different i can sprawl a lot harder all right well there you go now we're gonna put you with somebody else of course it's anthony predish he's too small like what you need to feel like to get kicked what bow he just kept kicking my leg and i grabbed like what do you do like i'm a wrestler i said take him down i took him down all right you're too big for anthony you're gonna hurt him and he put me with a heavyweight he said now i want you to take everything you did you was punching ben and you took him down i took down anthony and do everything with this guy yes size and i fucking just hit him with a bunch of jab crosses blast double on the punch it's like just grind there ain't no grind but just hitting like don't come and stand up and do it again i did

83:46again i just kept doing and doing and doing and when it was over he was like all right there you go your first bar and such another way and i hate to tell the court i heard you kept saying you're not a fighter but you are an mma fighter and i can tell you right now i've been working with a lot of guys you could be in the ufc in three fights yeah right whatever i'm thinking like i'm dead serious in three fights so what you got and your mentality from what i've seen in wrestling if you put it into this you could be in the ufc in three fights whatever but i like that i like the training and i kept coming back and i never wrestled again this was 2012 right after college that's not that long ago man oh my first fight i didn't debut until 2013 top level mma fighter in one of the most talent rich divisions in the light heavyweight division and you only been doing it for seven years i was in the

84:28ufc was seven months fighting after my first fight seven months and i was in the top 10 within a year that's the thing so i'm learning i didn't have an amateur career i had three fights the ultimate fighter won that top 10 inside a year of all mma training that's it jesus christ that's why people keep talking and shit about like they don't understand i ain't did this like most these guys i look at pictures of guys i've been training with i got guys at the gym now that's still amateurs they post a throwback thursday my senior year in college i have a throwback picture it'd be me in college in 2007 it'd be them like their third or fourth mma fight it's like and these guys are still amateur how old are you now i'm 29 dude you're still not even really in your prime your prime is like 31 32 like i said i'm coming i'm learning now you are learning now but it's crazy that you were in

85:12a top 10 a year into mma training because we always cite francis and gano the francis and gano is one of the craziest stories ever the guy goes from no mma training at all to five years later fighting for the title you know at like you know but he's what you did is as impressive the fact that you hit top 10 with a year of mma training that's bananas man even in the tough house i remember guys like you can hear him in the kitchen we're all talking about oh what's your background is this i went on tough with four or five months experience had my three fights back to back to back and i remember my coaches pushing it that third fight we gotta get this third fight why are you pushing it so hard and then when it was over they're like all right that's why we had to get that last fight ultimate fighter trials the next tuesday in indiana you're going the fuck out of here i gotta work this is i

85:56ain't going nowhere and they called me monday night like yo what you're doing like i'm at work i work night shift i don't get off till one and when he get off meet me at my house like what we're going to indiana like i'm not i'm gonna get to usd if i'm gonna do it i'm gonna go to harway all right i'll see you at my house hung up the phone i get off i go i was like bro what the fuck you talking about he jumped in the drive like what are you talking about so you were saying you want if you get in you want to go the hard way like get earned from not doing the ultimate fight yeah i wanted to like get enough fights and somebody see me like all right here's your take a short notice fight or whatever that was a fantastic opportunity for exposure and exactly but in my mind i just started three four months i'm thinking like i'm just beating up cans i don't think i'm ready

86:36yet right but they say like core we see you man like you you have the opportunity to beat these guys like you being this guy he's been training forever he's been pro he's been bellator dustin jacoby was my first farm partner when i went to illinois he had been a ufc he's doing great glory now yeah and that was one of my first and i was taking him down and ground and pound but striking i didn't have that but all you can do is use your takedowns man you're taking everybody you're doing good use that and i left when i went there whatever my coach like just go do what you do i have no doubt they're gonna pick you but the reason they picked me wasn't the same you know they picked me thinking it was gonna be an easy fight for whoever but it's backfired on because my work ethic they didn't know me right you know i was cracking jokes like i can beat anybody you have

87:17and they was laughing i'm thinking they're laughing at my jokes come to find out they tell me at the end one guy told me like you know when we picked you we didn't think you could win like going after we picked you because we thought you was gonna lose to kelly and us and give him an easy fight in and now look it kind of backfired it was like because they didn't know who i was they didn't know me as a person and i name dropped matt hughes and i think that was the only reason why i got there like i trained with matt hughes here and there blah blah you know maddie oh maddie's our guy oh can you make it to vegas next week i think i can make it yesterday if you would have told me i'm like gonna pack your bags you're going wow that was it but you the thing is even though you were a year in you were so many years into wrestling and i think to this day that wrestling is the

87:54most important skill in mma because you get to dictate where the fight takes place the superior wrestler gets to every fight starts standing up and you have to know how to strike but a superior wrestler gets to dictate where the fights take place and you see that with guys like khabib you see that with so many superior grapplers when they get a hold of a guy it's their dominance is one of the most important aspects of fighting so you did have all that mm-hmm but that's i had to strike the basic striking and the wrestling but like i said when i came to meet mark henry and ricardo amada like that's what took me into a martial arts two years into your training that wasn't even two years that was a year and like three months and i guess that's why i didn't have it and mark tell people all the time like when you hear him

88:37say it i hear him tell other people all the time you guys want to see like hard work and what happened core like core is a pure fighter of what i what i'm coaching because he came here with nothing like you get guys that come in like lance palmer now he's been fighting so he's won the pfl you got all these guys been fighting 10 12 years before they meet mark so it's kind of like they just tuning up something yeah when you got a guy like me that has nothing the gym i was at we literally like i was at rufus sport for a little bit but i got the college coaching job and had to leave so i met a group of guys through mark fiore at the time but he ended up leaving to go overseas and it was probably six of us and we had to find a guy who owned a warehouse like oh you can put mats in here and just in the corner you guys can just train we didn't have jiu-jitsu practice

89:16we never had striking practice no tie practice we literally showed up ground and pound mma gloves we punch each other in the face we learn how to get out sparring no bridge ass in sparring i mean you got injuries we don't want to hear just beat the shit out of each other until it's over there was it was horrible winter time no heat we had a little kerosene about this big on the corner of the mat and we free we in illinois oh like down in mid central illinois it's freezing oh negative 20 we in fucking dudes breaking hit the hand hit the back freeze and break the hand we don't have any insurance it's us beating the shit out of each other but we got the opportunity for one of us it was three 12 fibers but i was the only one that they was going to let to go to the ultimate fighter i had the least amount of fights but you're the only one that can actually work and make us look

90:00good on there so you get on the ultimate fighter you meet mark henry you want to win and and then you go from there you go and move to new jersey is that what you do i went home i met ali on the show you know i mean ali was there every day he even said like bro you're wrestling this guy like how you're good at wrestling henzo came on he said like you're wrestling is key that's when everybody let me know mark first thing he said you're wrestling they made it known like wrestling is gonna run this and uh and even ali said right then he's like i'll work with you and you don't even have to sign me as a manager but i'll help you like i'll help lead you in the right way what you need because i didn't have anybody to direct me i knew nothing ben ashley was the only thing i had but he was in wisconsin you know i'm about out here on my own and ali i remember saying like if you want to

90:38win this show and to be the best you can brother you need to go to jersey and mark and i already texted me you're more than welcome to come out and train whenever you want by the time i had a girl who had a kid and my family and the coaching was my dream job still my dream job and i love that you know i didn't want to leave that for anything what were you coaching your college wrestling at the junior college level and i remember uh that was i only made 220 bucks a week but i worked other jobs to make my dream a reality that's what i want to do and fight and um i was like if you want to be the best you want to win this show the best opportunity you got man you need to go to jersey like i know you got guys there but even my guys told me after the show you need to leave because we can't do anything for you but i didn't want to i was so grounded today i didn't want to leave that that's

91:19what i knew and uh when ali said bro you got to go i can never live in jerseys too fast-paced i'm a country bro i like outdoors and this hunting and stuff like that like you need to get to jersey brother if you want to be the best if you don't want to be the best stay where you are i remember telling my mom like i said i need to go to jersey my mom said when i was uh in high school my senior year said if you get the opportunity ever to leave i want you to go far away did you think about going anywhere else like going to rufus sport permanently or and that was a thought yeah i thought but he didn't have the rest of ben but that was about it you know i'm a wrestling base and i fell in love with the way frankie and them train i love that i was looking for something like that mark fiore had that but when he left had nowhere else to go and i was thinking my mom said

92:00that's what the best is you need to go be the best you know my brother was like yo let's go mark henry's such a unique guy that when when people start training with him and and realizing like what he is and then comparing him to other people like it it makes them think like wow like this guy's got something very unique like his all the way you're talking about his systems and all the stuff that he writes and the notes and like brendan schaub was telling me that he trained with him for one fight and he said when he went down there he said like it was like like an eye-opening experience like he didn't know that a coach could be that good yeah and you know the crazy part the reason why mark isn't known the most because you got like freddie roach you got duke rufus all these big game name guys um what's uh the guy at car knocks 365 or camora usma what's his coach's name uh henry hoofed henry

92:49there you go yeah all these guys but that's all they do throughout the day so you see them because they work with so many fighters right and it's like that's all they do is coach mma you know mark has a pizza man when i first got it and they said that i didn't know he had owned the pizzeria he's just say after responding i got time to go make the dough thought i mean like just go to his job make money right yeah and he's oh i own the pizzeria and that's his that's his passion like when it's practice over it needs to we just start at 9 30 i need to be at my shop by 11 and i got to work with this guy at 4 30 or 5 so he just mits twice a day you got seven o'clock in the morning or four o'clock in the afternoon but through the day he's at the pizzeria that's his baby his father-in-law gave that to him he's passionate about he loves it that his whole family's and he you go there and you see the

93:35family bond he treats all his employers like family that's his dream but you got to respect that because he doesn't miss work because of this even my fights whatever he'd come out thursday like i gotta be at the pizzeria all week but i'll be there thursday night or friday morning sometimes they show up saturday fight day i got a uh catering job i can't make it bro but i'm gonna video chat you and tell you what we need to work on videotape this workout with such and such and i'll tell you what we need to tighten up and i'll be there saturday morning or friday night and we'll work as much as we can before the fight it's like a character in a movie exactly and the fact that he's that passionate about that in the mma and i remember driving with him to one of our amateur guys fights and he's driving watching the film like coach you watching the road or you watching film i gotta watch this

94:14girl's fight because uh we had caitlin's jukagin one of her he's watching fights while he's driving while driving he gave a piece of paper and a pen and he's like take this down like what he's like i need you to write this down for me this is what i need so he's driving watching film and he start calling out stuff i'm writing it down he's like that's the stuff i need to remember for a fight but he doesn't have the time most guys have to sit and do that through the day he picked me up from the pizzeria changed and we hit the road so he's like breaking film and you see somebody so passionate that can do the things he does and he got so many fighters like you said with the codes we got the russians we got the brazilians you got us and everybody the russians their stuff is in russian that mean this guy's taking time to learn russian you go in the basement he has like

94:56translation codes what yes that he understands russian now so he they write down what this he learned russian he learns russian just to help these guys with stuff jesus you hear like hear me sparring but how that's your what a some how that show what's that mean like i mean very good like what the hell the brazilians how's he learning that was he using like rosetta stone i think you just have they like i said they write it down what this mean like basic stuff and they write down how you say it in russian oh wow that's how mark is up he's a mad scientist yeah he got so many things going on he can't remember the direction he's going in and he'll be driving like oh which way am i going like what but when it comes to coast he knows all 10 to 12 fighters every code and everybody has a different language in different names his name that's our family or your dog or something happened

95:42when you're the kid everything it revolves around something that happened and every fighter has different codes and he knows everybody's we line up for rounds at this at uh nicotones in the cage he's in the cage with frankie all right marla come in now it's all portuguese then caitlin come in then it's all stuff related to her then i come in he knows how to speak portuguese yes he has codes in portuguese everything mark is a wizard like i said when i say he's a mad scientist you don't know any other coaches that take the time to learn the stuff that he does to make his fighters the best he ain't worried about like he wants to win and all that but he want to make sure we are in sync we in the cage we're talking it's a foreign language like that's why um the global fight you hear uh dan hardy one of them say like there's no point in tuning

96:28in kory's corner because we don't know what they're saying everything in like three fights later i won't even know what he said because we didn't been to so many codes i gotta go back and think what was that again do you ever get to a point where he's yelling something out and you don't know what the code is no no because muscle memory because when we hit pass it's never a one two across like what would he say if it's not one two like what would it be if it's something in portuguese like uh like for you one would be like i'm trying to think like give me an old one so i'm trying to think uh sync sync that's i can't remember what language it was but i think that was a hook or whatever a sync it's not a sync but that was how you say it in their language oh oh but what about for you like that weird like he would sometimes give you like those in different languages if i

97:15went through everything in english now we gotta switch it up we're working on russian now that was the last time i was working the russian stuff so it's kind of like he was giving you russian codes i was like i'm learning too you know what i'm saying like i said faddy hota cho i know that mean very good now there's certain things he say to them and you figure it out that's so crazy so what what is his logic behind that he doesn't want anybody learning the codes just keep you on your toes keep you on your toes keep you all you're never getting comfortable with one thing because you get into a habit or one habit for the how you kind of get comfortable the guy knows with the eyes closed right you always got to learn something new it keeps you hungry like my friend he used to make me come over i used to do mitts on friday night and then we would go to the movies but we do mitts from

97:54four to five thirty when i first was learning and he would make me sit at the table he shower i shower whatever he go shower i had to study my codes and when he come down he'd be watching tv whatever he'd be in the kitchen and he'd take the paper from me he'd say something out and i had to tell him what it meant like one two one two left kick whatever so he would say whatever the code was and i had to know it if i mess it up he bring notepad back like keep studying wow it was like he take you in like that he took me in like a son i'm 12 hours from home he could dog me out i could have just been there what is this jammy it's a corner transcript from eddie's fight okay look at this it says yeah 73 on the knee 73 on the knee 73 on the knee you're too much in the front you too much yeah he switches it up down here chain chain chain chain hands up chin down what could be chain take downs together

98:43it could be anything could be anything yeah no no because chain chain chain chin down they didn't take that he told him something for standing that's a standing code like you never know three what the fuck is 73 keep saying 73 what does that mean i couldn't 73 that could be anything for eddie because eddie don't let's see some people 226 226 73 like i said how weird he's so he's got numbers for him i mean we all got numbers yeah we all have numbers but if you're doing a code when it's a combo he makes it a code if it's a single thing he would say but it's not your number normal one two or it might be sync or if it's uh what's another he gave me croatian once croatian yeah and that took me forever i don't know what it is which is like russia it's taken down but it's like you don't know it so you learn let me ask you this

99:33so say if you have a fight scheduled now so someone the ufc calls you up and they say hey cory we got another one for you it's in eight weeks with this guy so that's when you'll start learning the newest codes no we work codes right away off the last fight he said we sit down we watch the fight and we hear what we call so and we see how we reacted to it after that fight then you go to a new code we work the new stuff like right away as soon as you start training again new code already changed it up so when it's time to get into camp that's the thing it's like people that don't stay in the gym after a fight when they first get in camp they spend the first half of camp getting in shape right same thing so if we don't have the codes then we have to first spend the first four or five weeks just trying to understand each other i'm not really hitting pads right kind of

100:12messing up he'll say something i throw a cross when he made a hook or i throw a kick what are you doing that was a jab like i don't know like so we spend that first time just shadow boxing calling figuring it out figuring it out for a few weeks we watch them film together and we go back like you see how you did it when you did this one when it was this language that's what this is in that language so it's just like study hall in college you figuring it out and he has codes for footwork as well everything everything everything you would never hear him you would never hear him say shot you're never hear him say jab you're never hear him say head movement and so it's all in different languages and where did he learn all this from is this his own system that i never asked i never asked that's why i don't ask questions i just do it that's that's smart if you talk to

100:54brandon schaub schaub schaub was blown away by it he's like i never seen anything like it rashad evans said the same thing i was gonna say rashad came down when he fought sam alvey i remember that camp and we linked up and trained after he's like bro he said i don't even know if i've been if i even did i won the world championship but mark make it feel like i'm a rookie like i don't know what i'm doing yeah what are you talking about he said he was saying codes and i was like doing everything wrong and in my mind it's kind of like you start doubting yourself yeah because you can't get it right well by the end of it you do it so much like he says tandem dance well there's something about guys who take things to a totally new level and that's what he seems to do you know with his coaching he loves it you can tell you can tell you can tell the way he treats fighters the way he

101:34the way corners fighters and you know man you guys got a fucking incredible camp right now everybody said we got a team we got a family mmm fourth of july we know you know where everyone's gonna be on fourth july mark's house everybody's invited if you've been there and trained with us you get an invite hey bro if you had that weekend the week before next week fourth july we're doing a big party in my house come on bro i gotta go back to such and such or you can make it back bro open invite you're more than welcome come hang out we love to have you there you know i remember when i was in wisconsin like we hung out with anthony pettis and duke rubis and all those ufc guys that in the gym but i don't ever remember seeing them outside like we say in the fight house but i've never seen them outside the gym it's not that way in our house like i was talking to frankie last weekend was all

102:15eating or something or when i was finished training stretching he said something about a party i'm like i still ain't never been invited to a new year's party like bro it's always open invite everybody's invited to my house you just never came i'm like oh he's like you know where i live your wife over my house all the time you just never came it's always an open invite you know like we know where each other live you know i have my way to invite everybody over everybody show up so how did he get in touch with the russians like how does the beat get over there i think with ali ah that makes sense yeah i mean most of our guys come from ali i think everybody on our team is managed by ali now except for uh blind fighter but like i said except for who caitlin chukagin blind fighter you call her blind fighter that's her name that's her name blind fighter kc killer kc i call her because she's

102:58ruthless she is you see a little pretty good and i've seen her like knock guys out multiple times in the gym really multiple times i'm very interested in marlon marlon marlon marize versus henry so the birthday boy happy birthday marlon today's birthday birthday happy birthday marlon even though it's on feet tonight he was one of those guys when he was fighting for world series of fighting i was very interested in him coming over to the ufc i was like this guy's got legit skills like he's something special and he was smashing people but he wasn't it wasn't he wasn't crushing cans he was beating real good guys and the way he was moving and the things he was doing i was like this guy's world class yeah i took tomorrow on the show he was one that helped me understand the way the pro with the manager and the payments and i had no i knew nothing like i said i was in the gym he taught me how to do

103:46he taught me how to stuff work we sit in sauna and he was talking about ali he's like oh bro ali's a good guy because i wasn't i didn't know this guy he's like i'll help you out this and this and i asked him like what do you think about ali so he's my man he's great brother this is this you know his way it works is you get your purse and you break a certain percentage off to these people you take the percentage and then we got to camp this he was breaking me down how their camp worked before i was coming out there so i had an understanding like how to get paid like you you they're gonna offer this if you get to ufc your first start off 10 and 10 or this organization this and this he was telling me like you just can't let people take advantage you things i didn't know right you know because marlon was just super friendly he's a nice guy family guy like now

104:25if i went home right now i'm sure him his wife might be able to with my wife and the baby just hanging out with the puppy they just we're just a tight-knit family like that he just that's awesome bro what's going on with you in a fight like i heard this i heard that i saw this i saw that don't let people get to you this isn't this don't let them talk you into doing this don't let somebody get to you where you react like this keep your head brother like you're good you're gonna be the champ but i've seen you train i know what you do i know what you're capable of you're you're good you're translating so well from where you were to where you are now so happens like i said that he's one of my him and frankie egger frankie egger are my two mentors in the fight game you know couldn't get two better mentors if i need a question from any guy i've messaged them and you got eddie alvarez

105:04as well i don't see eddie as much i see them eddie comes up like three four times a week but i see frankie and marlin every day how does that he like being over at one fc i mean i think they treat i never asked him about it you know i'm not type to ask questions i don't like being in other people's business so i don't ask what do you think about this what do you think about that he told me when he came back uh from his first trip i was like bro it's crazy they treat me like king what do you mean he was like uh me and jamie fly there i was like yeah that plane y'all don't look nice like yeah bro 32 000 or something for a ticket i was like what damn that's crazy like that's each it was like 32 000 something like that it was like some asian airline first class and he was like they gave us like steaks and all it was amazing bro it was great like it was good

105:44and that's all i ever heard all i hear is good things yeah all i hear is good things about the way they treat the fighters the mentality that shatri has and the way he runs the organization very very impressed yeah like i said it's up and coming i'm glad it's doing well when it first started i didn't say oh it's not going to be around they're not going to have backers they're throwing too much money right in the get-go in the way but now here we are with it success five six years later when they started huge it's as big as the oc or bigger worldwide yeah i mean they're gigantic and people making money like yeah i know he was telling one of our teammates that was in the pfl tournament 85 they're not doing 85 this year like what am i to do now i heard eddie say i mean i can have my guy talk to you we can try to get you into one and i heard him

106:23saying like bro he told me i can make some good money over i'm trying to do that hey gotta worry about you and your family bro do what's best for you and yours so well i mean worldwide i think they're on a collision course with the ufc in terms of like notoriety and popularity i mean in asia it's already bigger you know it's it's something something special and you know you see with the guy that that naziukin guy that uh eddie fought they have world-class fighters over there and those are that's a world i mean you knock out eddie alvarez you're a world-class fighter and a first round yeah yeah very impressive and they even the guy that mighty mouse fought he gave him trouble the guy's good you know they got good fighters over there real world-class fighters there's so many good fighters now you know and then also they have you know yachtson

107:07kly's fighting over there nikki hold skin they got world-class kickboxers and muay thai fighters fighting in and then even they're even doing grappling matches yeah i mean i love what they're doing all together like bellator did the kickboxing mma but now and they had two different rings for it but one do it all in one on one night it's like mma and now it's a kickboxing now they got grappling that's going back it's cool keep you on your toes only thing i don't like it's always early it's fucking morning right like two three o'clock i set an alarm to get up to see it i'm gonna sleep that's you got to take the good with the bad they're in singapore or wherever they are in different countries whatever they where they hold their events i just think it's so important for fighters to have options to have so many different places to have bellator and you know now that like

107:49rory mcdonald went over the bellator and gegard mousasi and you know world-class guys yeah in there ryan bader is a heavyweight's a beast crazy see him knock out fader in the first round like what the fuck amazing he's doing his thing i'm happy for phil davis i'm just happy to see that fighters have options yeah not just the one ufc yeah it's good for the ufc it's good for everybody in my mind people say they say oh did you ever think about going bellator one in my mind is great fighters everywhere right now i still think the number one and all of is in the ufc yeah number one martial arts and ufc and right now that's my goal yeah the money all that's all great but i'm here to be the best i can go to one and make a killing i can go to bellator and get my sponsors back but i'm in no rush to leave here because i want to be the best yeah like after i prove that

108:37there was nothing else and then it's like okay now i'm ready for the money then that's maybe an option but there's no contest in terms of prestige there's no contest if you get the ufc title you're the best that's it there's no question like oh what about the bellator this is because the bellator champ well especially john jones yeah especially in your division you know in your division you have one of the best guys of all time if not the best guy of all time as a champion so when you see a guy like john at the top of the heap is that is that motivating to you to just ramp up it even harder because you realize that the guy who's a champion in your division is not just the best light heavyweight of all time maybe the best martial artist of all time it ramps up so much like i'm riding the bike in my basement i got the aerodon bike and stationary bike and i got the projector and i'm down there

109:26only thing i don't fight pass and i'm watching fight pass i'm usually watching john jones you know to see him dominating other guys and you just hear that bite you can hear the the pedals are pretty on he getting to like a brawl or something crazy and like i don't even be looking down the clock but i can just hear the air the fan picking up right i don't even realize it till like it goes to break and i slow it down and i heart rate and i'm just watching just like that's like if i want to get there i gotta i gotta beat him to be the best right so i need to work hard what's your take on him you can't take away what he does in the sport what is his outside his personal life that's all he say she say i had my words after the the california stuff we went to 226 or whatever it was in vegas and got moved here because his lifestyle the drug test all that extra stuff

110:09however you want to code it up is past you know i'm done with it but i had my words there the fact he kept using god and jesus and this is this and i'm a god fearing god who read my bible every morning and i don't like the fact that you can that he would do that i'm like i'm not only now but at the time my words was the fact that he did that and then at the same time when i interview him so i want to thank god and this is that kind of rubbed me wrong and then we flew on the plane together and like i said i saw the way he was acting when he came on the plane like we're not doing this because of him like all that at the time bothered me and i was a pent-up engine that was something else going into that fight that was something on my shoulders because i had posted something because when uh ufc called me right before i got on the flight it was like oh don't come i'm on way to vegas now i

110:50got my wife she's eight months pregnant like she's 30 weeks whatever she can't travel after this she's struggling we haul them bags and y'all call me now say don't come this and this go back home we're gonna fly you out again like i'm not doing this again and then when i get there well we can get you here but we get you to cali but we can't take your wife like what like well you we pay your ticket and the coach's ticket like no fuck that all because john jones this that's what got me mad so they were trying to save money pretty much flying people because we was we was literally walking down the runway to the plane when they called me jesus when i turn around but then when we got like okay you come here but we can get you to cali we can't get your wife to cali like my wife is 30 weeks pregnant she's here with me she's coming like well we we don't know what to do

111:30because you bought her ticket isn't like what do you mean you don't know what to do get her another ticket like i paid for my family what about the people that's on the way right now like oh they got to find their own way and that made me wrong week fight week of the fight the thing of the things that you have to think about you know fucking with that that's the last thing i need to worry about god and then i get there and they tell them when you get make sure you got your workout if you don't have your workout schedule the pi set already as soon as you get there go do it i did mine like a month and a half ahead of time i'm all i'm like i said i'm punctual like i like having stuff done yeah i'm getting ready to go to the pi i'm packing my bags and i get a call oh you can't come to the pi why john just came in and said he want to work out so we closing the

112:09gym down you're not allowed y'all called me two months ago told me to set my schedule to come ahead of time i'm literally getting ready to walk to my uber that's outside you say i can't come now like i'm sorry none we can do is john why can't you work out the same place where john's working out you're not fighting the same thing with connor's there and i'm there in the summer and connor show up they're coming to everybody you gotta leave like what why just throw it up yeah really you walk out and kind of just have his car parked up on the sidewalk come on yeah they have security guards block the stairs off and everything get the fuck out of here i'm telling you yes exactly that's gross and like you heard somebody say that's a big place yeah but you can go to the cardio room and the weights but you can't use the upstairs or the cage and the bag and stuff is

112:51you can't use the if he's in the cage they have security block the stairs so you can't go up what the fuck is that about that's just the people i don't know it's not my people i'm an independent contractor sir but yeah like that stuff it kind of rubbed me wrong and that's when it was kind of like if i was a champ i wouldn't want that no yeah i mean i want people to be able to see what i'm doing maybe they can watch me and see i don't know i mean you know you got to think about how much death threats that guy must get how much shit he must take you know and he's as popular as he is as famous as he is maybe he just has overzealous security maybe and they just want to tighten it down so they don't want anybody up there yeah they kept i was so that was the first time i've ever cursed at a ufc employee yeah like my wife came on i was curt like going off like y'all making me

113:35change my whole workout schedule fight week i'm cutting weight too you know like it's not just john yeah like we in the same division i'm gonna fuck about it i don't care what he's doing i need to go up there and get a workout my coaches meet me there from the airport but we can't do nothing about it cori this and the guy kept hanging up because i was going off that is when they were calling me back and i was like yo and then people hit me up like i'm glad you're actually voicing yourself i'm hearing around the pr right now everybody talking about how you're mad somebody texted me like i'm glad you actually speaking out because everybody else kind of like okay like no like okay if it wasn't for my wife being there i probably wouldn't took the same but i see the way she's struggling to carry this belly

114:06around and she's hurting you know of course eight months yeah it's like give birth at any moment anytime yeah so the stress i'm sure it's like all that my baby's worse sure really yeah it was ramping me up and my wife came like cori just stop calm down it'll be okay this isn't this like i think the fact of being okay is the fact they let one person dictate it all yeah like we're all equal right now they're treating us like a number he's john jones but we're number 4722 right i mean i don't like that he's john i'm cori like i was telling will on the way here reason i love rose nomin units because i've never seen that from her she's a champ but you would see her and she'd act just like rose before when she was an evicted she doesn't change i don't want no special treatment from her or from anybody if i

114:49was a champ treat me the same yeah you know i mean some people are different like i said i don't know if it's john or his camp that was doing that or ufc's doing or security or what but it rubbed me wrong that we aren't equal anymore no that's understandable but that's also got to give you some motivation exactly like i told him in the area of the wine i was still on the plane and i was literally directly behind john jones and i see his head bobbing and i was just looking i looked at my wife and she's like struggling like falling asleep but struggling to fall asleep i looked at the top of his head the back of his head i was just like it's time for a change of the torch like my brother always said like you're good and you know you can be there but i feel like when i come to those top guys like john

115:27jones and gus you doubt yourself just a little bit you ain't sure that you can get them yet you know you're good but you feel like this is before like before the leader fight you get there and you you feel like you don't think you're ready for that but i'm telling i watched you bro i know what you made you can do it and i sat there and saw him bobbing all the frustration going through my mind six o'clock in the morning we had to get up and catch a plane because this guy this is this they show up on time he still was late to that and it was just like i if i'm the champ i don't want this you know i don't want no special treatment if you tell me sign up ahead of time and keep your schedule i expect that if we get down to scale first come first sir first come first sir if i show up late put me in order i am don't put me up front because i'm the champ because i was the first or second person

116:11there i went my way to the scale and john was walking down the stairs fully dressed we went back to the commission room and i remember people in the blue shirt came and said hold up hold up and all of a sudden john come in he could do all the paperwork he went on the scale and he was out he was the last person down how's it he's first like it wasn't that big of a deal but the fact like i don't like that well it's because he's headlining the card right yeah so they're giving him a special treat everything that's what i kept saying it's john jones every time i got the phone well it's john jones they hang up like i don't like that it's still he's still a person well he's the greatest there is for you to be cory anderson 100 it's cory and change the tide it's cory anderson it's cory anderson but treat me normal don't give me no special treatment beautiful that you have that attitude

116:51what when you look at john you look at john's skills like what do you think you need to do if anything different in your life or in your training or where do you need to get to where you think you could beat him just keep getting better like the leon latife fight must have been a big boost for 100 every fight last year every fight even the ones i lost has all been a boost could you go back and see tell me a fight that i've been getting beat up joe right i've never been a fight where somebody they're all corey too small you're not good there's never been one fight in my career where somebody straight manhandled me and pushed me around you know i mean they talk about this isn't this uh he's the greatest he's great as that i was watching a ufc main event last night in hotel they had the glover rashad fight and they're talking this and this and this and up

117:33and glovers this glover that glovers glovers that nothing i beat that guy you know you're talking about hope they don't give a little tv or johnny walker a little tv he's super good this is this but at the same time i was thinking and you said it but what about corey and i was like there we go finally somebody like all these guys that talk they talk about how good these guys not and beat them all like i'm that guy coming underneath the radar and they don't expect me to do nothing because i lost to gian valente my third or fourth fight in ufc two years of my career you know i mean uh jimmy manwell jimmy manwell i told will in the way here too jimmy manwell was the only fight i would say the guy beat me he didn't manhandle me but in my head from his highlights and it's all like you said on instagram reading comments and i let what people were saying and reading and seeing

118:15get in my head to think if this guy touches me he's gonna put me out and when you're going to a fight thinking that i literally got touched and my mind was already set like if i get hit i'm going out and like i think subconsciously like i had myself so doubted that when he hit me my mind just like in panic kind of shut down because i remember when i hit the mat like i wasn't out to put i don't remember i was out but i remember seeing his feet walk away and i remember when i came too clearly and i thought to myself like it happened exactly what i put in my mind if i got hit it happened that's right that was it it was like i can take i can take to anybody and i think osp was more dangerous than jimmy because he can kick he was explosive and this is a damn punch i did everything right and just slipped into the punch the wrong way but i was manhandling them for three rounds

119:03i mean it's simple mistakes because i didn't have the discipline yet in three years of my career i hadn't learned a discipline and focus that it's a 15 minute fight right i can win 12 minutes of it all but one mistake and it's all gone well the the experience of making those mistakes and realizing what they are and and then when those moments come up again and you deviate from the game plan and you do go to your right and you do move the wrong direction you know you'll you'll catch yourself you'll realize it's it's the experience of competition for a fighter is there's nothing that substitutes it you can have great talent you can have a great mindset but the experience of competition is like nothing else and one thing that i've seen from you is that every time you have had losses you've gone back to work and come back better like you made significant jumps in between each fight that's

119:52why you like when we're talking about fighters and i said well what about cory anderson because people do leave you out of the discussion but they don't leave you out of discussion because you're not good they for whatever reason leave you out of discussion because maybe because you're a polite soft-spoken guy and you haven't been knocking people out like that's the the the knock on you if there is a knock but you're winning winning is that with fighting the key is winning it's not knocking people out or submitting people the key is winning can you win can you beat world-class guys you've shown you can beat world-class guys and the fact that you've done this with just seven years total training is pretty fucking incredible pretty amazing man yeah i'm glad you've worked out on the air because i could say it all day and nobody don't say it don't you shouldn't even say it at all

120:37let me say it for you i gotta get off of social media and realize that get the fuck off social media post and run just post and run because it's like we were saying before it's just not a healthy way to consume things it's not there's a random because p2 it's too many people out there that are bored or maybe they're not healthy mentally and they're just they would like to fuck with your head and they see a guy like you especially a guy who's an elite athlete fighting in the ufc there's so much jealousy and pettiness and sports fans are weird like that they'll call some guy who's making 20 million dollars a year a fucking loser like it's crazy but you sit at home on food stamps watching crazy but their words although they mean nothing if you see them in print and it's about you it can get you to go hey and that might fuck with you while you're running fuck that guy you know and there

121:29might be 30 of those guys and if you you go down a spiral if you you have a weak mind and you don't understand how to compartmentalize and how to how to look at things objectively if you don't see what that is and you start if i saw him i'd say this so come say that shit to my face you start getting involved in that stuff this is just a giant waste of resources a giant waste of energy it doesn't do you any good at all especially when look at what you're surrounded with man you're telling me it's all family elite fighters some of the best guys in the world you have one of the best coaches on the planet earth many of the ricardo almeida one of the best jiu-jitsu coaches on the planet earth you're with some elite world-class fighters you're all tied together that should be all of your mental diet all of your communication camaraderie all your interaction with people it should be that

122:21because you got top of the food chain like why fuck with all these scavengers online and cannibals and fucking zombies and that's what you're dealing with when you get into those comment sections you don't know who these people are you know i mean it could be anybody true story just for a fighter you the mentality and this is another thing that i wanted to ask you about your mentality is so fucking important do you use a mental coach and have you ever been hypnotized have you ever worked with a mental coach at all one thing i did different this year was brain tap a brain my own yeah my uh physical therapist thing you put the sound on it's kind of it's like kind of hypnosis and they got like flashing lights you can go take a nap whatever it's kind of like listening like they say you listen to

123:01rosetta stone or something before you go to bed and when you wake up it's in your mind because you heard it it's the same thing so i take a nap and i put it it's always positive thoughts it's like take a deep breath this and this and it slowly it's just you hear this talking he's speaking and it slowly stops but you see the light still going off but it's there if you push it in focus you can hear him like very lightly talking in the background and i'll take like a nap like 30 minutes so what are the wake up what are the lights how does it work i think it's like it's got it here jamie's got it was you want to pull one yeah i think it's like pulling a brain tap headset yeah there you go and i think the lights and stuff is just keep your focus so your body isn't completely sleep or something let me see this it

123:35says uses unique frequencies of light and sound for brainwave entrainment in just 22 minutes of deep relaxation your brain will be guided to relax proven scientific techniques allow your brain to rest and and the allows your brain the rest and recovery that it needs by reaching various states of consciousness reboot clean the slate of unimportant and of the unimportant and reinforce the most valuable information for better memory and brain power and revitalize our sessions are designed to build resilient build a resilient mind and fit body for life huh and with that and float tank that was another thing i added like relaxing because one thing uh i had a problem with i used to you always gonna have dreams you know if i have a bad sparring whatever i'm thinking negative so when i go to bed i have a

124:23negative dream i have a dream i got take down 10 times i've had a dream i got hit hard in practice i got a dream i got hit hard and i put out i used to feel like in going into fights if i had one of them dreams like i remember this before the gian valente fight it was after i fought justin jones i went home and the first night i went to sleep i woke up and had a dream i fought gian valente next and i lost the split decision and in my mind i remember going to that fight and that stayed vivid in my head that i lose this guy split decision somehow my dream i was fighting gian valente next and i lost split decision i think that's why in the third round even though everybody was saying like you were saying the leg kicks and everything and when it came out they showed the scorecard it was like i guess i was

124:59winning on the scorecards but my mind i thought i was getting defeated and i had to go harder and go hard and i was getting beat up because in my dream it's that period in my mind so i got greedy and coaches just kept saying like just move get out of there move i was just doing the most trying to hit him as much as i could and you kept saying and i watched the video you said the best offense is the best defense if cory can't get hit gian can't throw anything back so that was my mind if i get it this round 10 8 there's no way i lose so i hit him as much as i can as many times i can maybe i put him out and i got over those and got caught and then when the scorecards came out and said i was winning there was no reason for me to do all that right but in my mind going into that fight i remember all fight with that dream kept popping never had another dream losing again but that was from

125:39december the year before and it was stuck in my head like for some i couldn't let go of it and then i can't remember whatever if i had another one that it didn't show that uh the finish of the fight but i woke up with the record eight and two at the time i was eight and one or seven and one oh eight and one and this was before going into the um tom lawler fight and i was nothing like fuck do i lose this and i remember in vegas he rocked me in the beginning and i thought for sure they just gave him a scorecard like here you go here come that dream again here come that dream again when they said cory hampson now i remember going to the hotel room somebody put a sign on it said nine and one now congratulations and that's when it stuck in my head like oh that dream means nothing and that's when the dreams is just dreams yeah i gotta get the flow tank helps you flow tank

126:22am i getting there and relax like the negative thoughts i always do it the week the last week sunday i do massage i go to church massage float tank and there's nothing on my mind but the bible and the gospel i heard that morning i go to the massage and i fall asleep and i go into that float tank i think about what i need to do and the zone mind zone stop and all i'm thinking about is that fight with victory winning getting my hand raised whichever way dominate dominate dominate when i wake up that whole week i don't have any negative thoughts because that's what i visual that last three times of work at home was all positive thinking and with the brain tap like my doc used to let me take you to the fight with me so i'm resting between training put it on he gave me his little travel iphone whatever put it on how does it make you feel the brain the brain tap you just wake up like i said relax

127:08like i'll be tired i get down to practice i'm tired i'm exhausted but that little 15 or 20 minute that whichever one i use when my brain come back to is like i feel like i just left for hours i don't understand why it does so much for you i've been the type i never believe any of that stuff like hypnosis i never believed it but after he let me try like just try it once and i tried it and i actually like let my body relax i noticed the next day in training like dang like this jujitsu like i always struggled at jujitsu i hated jujitsu but i finally i went there i finally realized things i was doing i was relaxed pants and ricardo was saying watching the small details and he was like bro you look good today and i was thinking like i think maybe that brain tap actually kind of helped and i kept doing it so put your mind in a good place to learn things so you kind of open-minded

127:52you relax you wake up it's like the air flow smells a lot fresher you hear it burns like it's just like i said like hypnosis they say it works and i guess it does work like that's not it's not putting me to sleep or put me out hypnosis hypnotized but the way it made me feel like i ain't want to say oh i work hypnosis wise i got hypnotized but subliminal messages you don't hear it like you listen to music and something in the background it's in there how often are you doing that brain tap well now i haven't done i'm about to buy one of those from my uh physical therapist he got some extra ones he said to get rid of so i can do it more but i usually do it when i get in the camp and in my old physical therapist place they relocated and closed down here so that's why i haven't done it that much but he said i got some i'll sell you so if you have one at home you'd use it every day not

128:33every day i don't want to get too too crazy to be at least twice a week twice a week i do it when i go to therapy twice a week what about float tank how often i think float tank i do that once once just that last day before i leave just kind of like water alone i want to over water you drink too much water it backfires so i don't want to do the same thing with float tank because float tank is also great for the injuries in the body yeah you know that's how i found it at first my shoulders real messed up going to the pat cummings fight and i kept getting a stinger i couldn't figure it out in the my physical therapist she was like you need to go try floating i think it'd be really good help you with your other bumps and bruises and pull off a couple ounces at the same time because all epsom salt just sit there and try it i reached out to the guy and brick and uh he gave me a little

129:11deal i hook you up you know you advertise for me and i let you float yeah so i did it and i liked it like i said the negative thoughts going to the pat cummings fight that's where i got the dream i got take down took down like 10 times yeah because i had a guy come on he's like i've trained with he's really good in wrestling this guy was national champ he's really good he might take you down a couple times but he came out cardio you and my mom was like i don't want to get taken down at all so i started having dreams i was getting taken down like 10 12 times with my pet and that couldn't happen and as you see i ended up taking him down i didn't want to shoot that fight i wanted to kill him on the feet i ended up taking him down 12 times and i was struck do you think you were taking him down because of your dream like you wanted to prove your dream wrong like maybe you had that in

129:50the first time i took him down when it was so easy i was just like i'm just gonna keep doing this hit him with a couple punches when he get ready to punch take him down because i'm thinking in my mind it's got stress at the olympic level do you want all america penn state the best school out there i'm thinking there's no way it's gonna be easy to take this guy down you have to wait till he get tired and chain wrestle i did like one of my weakest blast doubles ever and just blew him off his feet and was like that was that was kind of easy but it's different when you got a guy that's used to taking people down but nobody shoots on him right he wasn't used to that right you watch his face only person i shot him was uh yan blacowich and that's when he was tired he finally got takedown yeah everybody else couldn't get it so it was like i'm just gonna try and i went

130:28through him i was like oh man that was too easy i told mark in the corner like when he had my leg in the corner you gotta defend it you gotta defend it i could feel when we hit the cage and my wizard was so tight and he had the leg i looked at her carl was like and he asked me in the corner why was you shaking your head like he wasn't taking me down he's not gonna take me down i can tell from the way he entered i trained with nick atone and he was another ufc vet he's a fucking monster when kind of rust him and chris wyden two toughest dudes i've ever wrestled in the mma game and i knew when he entered in he was nothing compared to those guys i just looked at nick or ricardo shook my head and nick knew because he was in the corner too he knew he could tell in my confidence i wasn't where he's not getting me down and after that it was over so this brain tap thing uh float

131:10tank one week before the fight the last week what other do you have any other rituals that you do that you make sure you keep your head and your body in check i mean like i said i'm always doing physical therapy because like i said my body's so beat up i've been competing ice baths every sunday night after i do all that i go home relax and that night before i go to bed 20 minutes in the tub up where i sit there i do cryotherapy twice a week once or twice a week all training camp um therapy twice a week i do a massage every sunday you know i got a lady that used to train at our gym amazing right you ever fuck with yoga yeah i do that too every once in a while like closer to get that flexibility hot yoga and help me get some pounds off a little easier so i can rehydrate more before sparring i do that friday night with saturday sparring so i'm more limber to throw kicks and stuff on my final spar

131:55throughout the week so you know i got different different places and companies i reach out to and they help me i help them that's awesome so where are you at right now did they are first of all what is going on with that knuckle holy shit that's just glover's forehead i hit him with an uppercut show everybody put your hand up which way i can see this one right in front of you look at that knuckle folks that's an evil knuckle with an uppercut on uh glover in the third round and i remember when mark was calling a combo he said i can't remember the combo he said and i hit him my hand went to right hand like ah and i brought him and i looked down with my hand up and this finger like stuck out like that i remember shaking my head to mark like nope we rust wow he's trying to shake my hand like ah slap my hand his hand his hand is messed up like i think i dislocated my finger

132:40and went in the back oh just this okay you we pop it back they couldn't get it and we kept trying to just keep them taped together and keep it straight it'd get better and never did i remember the whole of my wife was like don't move it don't move it you gotta quit moving i was doing this like doing exercises mentally like it might hurt now if i get used to it and never hurt again did you ever go to a doctor yeah i went and i rubbed the tendon and the tendon from here rolled all the way up and that's that is it rolled up and it was already fat because i broke the tendon rolled up yeah so all this that's why it's like curved like when go down so was there anything they could do for it they can they said we can straighten out and put a pin to attach it but it would take i wouldn't be able to bend my hand like this but it decided it'd be kind of like it wouldn't bend all the way

133:18anymore if i did that that's what they said like if you do that you won't be able to fight you know it's kind of hard to fight like that because i guess the pin is kind of long so it makes that joint not bend all the way but uh when i went to the doc they did that they was like hold on they did the x-ray and mri is like that makes no sense like what like this tendon is how you move this finger so how the hell are you moving your finger there's no tendon i was like i don't know when it was taped together just kept doing it in germany while i was on my vacation my wife just kept doing it exercising say well i guess it's a good thing you did that because if you wouldn't it would have hardened up in here and this joint would have been immobilized i wouldn't be able to use it but the fact that i kept doing it while it was fresh i'm still able wow to move it that's

133:56that's the craziest looking finger i've ever seen in my life that's like a triple finger that's nuts man that is a that's a wild looking joint and does that fuck with your grappling or anything nothing it's hard as a rock now it doesn't bother me at all wow it's crazy looking man i think it's a weapon now you know the glove come right here if i throw a hook with my right hand right now i suck right it's all calcified right yeah yeah so um where are you at right now in terms of like what when does the ufc usually come to you with uh an idea of who you're gonna fight next obviously you beat latife he was top five yeah so you're i beat three and five what do they what do they got you ranked now eighth or nine how's that work do you tell me how the fuck am i asking how's how is corey anderson not in the top five when i beat the number three and the five when i beat three they

134:43put me at six i don't know if you five they put me at six like i beat glover and i went to six by time i fought i was 10th that night in cali i was ranked 10th again how the hell does that happen then i beat a leader who was six and i went or fifth or fourth one he was i went to six yeah and then a week later i was at seven the next week came out i was eight like what like this i'm this makes no sense and that's why i'm like there's no fights like i'm done watching it yeah don't even care well you're clearly top 10 you know whatever number that is i mean it's a you got a murderer's row people in that division you know so they when when do you think they'll come to you with a an offer for well they wanted me to fight gus at the time like i said after the fight on the microphone i don't want to fight anything else until my baby's here when the baby's here and

135:30everything's check out i don't have to be in camp right and stress this and this once that's all done we can talk and they called me a couple weeks later about gus and because he tweeted me and i had them ask me on area and i said the same thing like i'm waiting till my baby's done that was march 15th the due date of my baby was march 12th like it's too close not risking that you know then it's like all right what about june 1st and i was just saying let me can i finish with my baby and stuff i'm not really even training i'm at home with my wife i'm doing a little bit here and there but i'm worried about her now she's been with me ride out this whole time now's my time to focus on her what she needs she didn't want me away so i'm here and they kept calling i kept calling i just kept saying no no no and they kept asking me i was like i mean

136:10what if we get more money if they give my wife's like if we get more we'll take it okay if they give you more i'll let you go whatever we can start camp or whatever i have to give you more we'll do it and they said oh no we're not doing that's like all right we didn't wait let me finish this literally my baby came out and i felt that i asked the doctor everything fine they did the test everything came back clear like there's no problems i have to go to doctors nothing she's like you're fine you got a healthy baby boy congratulations literally pick my phone up tweet at gus gus you still want to go june 1st you want to do it i'm your huckleberry let's go london i'll come yes corey you know i want to fight let's do it ali called me it's on his managers called me we wanted to fight let's do it june 1st same same pay no raise no nothing whatever i was getting let's

136:53go text dana uh they literally they called me the day before on my way to the hospital i get a call from ali they want to know if you want to fight bro i'm on my way i'll call you after we figure it out i say yes less than 24 hours later they say no we give it to anthony smith now what the fuck y'all called me for yesterday harassing me all this camp now i say yes and you're taking it away like why y'all what what's going on and that that made me mad then they called me for luke rocko like i'm not no i'm not taking a step back like i want to be here for the title if i beat luke what they're gonna say because i guess if they told ali if i beat glover since he was gonna fight earlier that put me in contention for title fight they gave me a new contract and everything with all that in it signed it then i thought i got he need one more fight then i was like all right make him in the

137:32leader fight and at least that no because he managed both of us but don't you think that luke rock holds a good fight for you i mean he's a former champion but it wouldn't do nothing he's a great fighter but it would definitely elevate you in the public side you don't think it would help you you don't think it would help you in the rankings no rankings what no you would think galera the chief would help me in the rankings i don't buy that because i think that like rankings like even if it's not one one through ten any one of those guys could fight for the title if they get like tiago like tiago santos right i mean uh you lost david branch what a year ago right at a middleweight same night i beat um pat cummins yeah with 20 or able 13th or 18th whatever and now he's fighting for the title i mean it was a quick ascension from you know devastating knockouts and fighting like a wild

138:16maniac like he does he's a wild fighter to watch very very entertaining guy that's all it took yeah but who was in that he didn't have to be the big name guy that's the thing he'd be yon block which i killed on my fourth fight in the ufc he beat jimmy beat jimmy manua um stopped him eric anders and the other guy were both 85ers and then so he had two fights it's because he had knockouts that's the thing like i said i told ali was like bro it's a good fight he's the same thing you said it's a good fight like ali let's look at who i fought i'll be glover who was third they still didn't put me in top fight i'll be a little tv where they say it's next to beat the champ whatever when i beat him they still don't give me the credibility it's like oh he's washed up now i put a tweet out like i apologize

138:52to anybody that i beat because once you lose to me it's kind of like you're a nobody i'm like i'm sorry for that tom lawlor posted thing the other day saying oh these guys all failed they get six months i failed for the same thing i get two years i said i'm sorry tom it's because you lost to me i think that's you get the short end of the stick i'm sorry it's just though the same thing is having that asshole coach when you're in college is it is in the same way like it's just and that's why i answer back to tweets and shit because in my head things like that that i've been through even though i should learn but now it doesn't matter but in my mind i voiced my opinions that coach and when i proved it wrong i ran into his assistant coach later on in life and he said he doesn't really like you anymore because the guy actually i fought in the ultimate fighter was his best friend kelly and us one of

139:34his all-americans he used to call him back when i was in college trying to discipline me if i like did some shit to piss him off he would have kelly come in to try to beat me up never happened like i he couldn't beat me up like that and he used to get pissed at that so the fact that he thought he had like a hold on me with this transcript and i got out and then i ended up fighting kelly on the show and he said that too in practice one time he'd kill you in mma he'd kill you in mma well the opportunity came and i beat him and somebody told me like he wasn't happy about that he didn't like the fact that you beat kelly like i'm sorry i don't do things for him but that this this thing where you don't feel like you're getting the respect that you deserve it does motivate you though it does give you like a little bit of extra juice in the gym i mean i'm a motivated guy anyway highly motivated

140:16the moment i wake up my open my eyes it's it's time to get to work so your son's born the anthony smith coming he had a you know anthony smith survived against john jones and you know especially early on he looked good you know showed good technique showed that he's he's really a world class fighter and i think that they just think that that would be he probably said yes when you said no and they gave it to him you know while you were waiting and your son was being born so now you're just waiting for another call yeah but the thing is like go back to that real fast you said yes and he said no i watched this interview excuse me with erio hawani and they said the day after he called john jones they called him about anthony smith or about uh gus so that was about the same time they was calling me so it's kind of like they were just throwing it out there and ali said uh

140:58i guess they offered to johnny walker johnny walker's manager made a post i've seen that like i offered us gus like they were just throwing out there for whoever's gonna be the first person to say yes well they probably have a bunch of people say yes and then they sit down yeah and they go over it like what looks best for us like what do we have you know i'm not a matchmaker obviously you know what goes on from all the things i sort of barely do man i'm telling you i know as little as anybody should in my position that's right you're an independent contractor legitimately i have no fucking say look if they listen to me first of all there'd be no more weight cutting and there'd be weight classes every 10 pounds that's what i would i would fix i would fix that right away i would do the same sort of hydration testing that one fc does let people fight at their natural weight so you don't

141:42have these ridiculous 40 pound weight cuts like did you see brandon davis in his last fight he's uh uh he fought at 135 i didn't see the weight cut he looked fantastic but he looked pretty skinny because i heard he was a 45 or whatever he's giant at 135 i'm standing next to him like how the fuck are you 135 pounds he does not it looks like he's 170 that's like montel jackson too yo yes i don't know him about the same height as me it's like crazy like how the hell you make 135 giant hands yeah like you're a grown-ass man montel's got basketball palm and hands he got hands bigger than uh francis yes he does they're huge and a 35 pounder man and then he fights smart too smart and technical yeah i watched him on the regional circuit he fought in my hometown a few times i would go there special guest and watch and i saw him he was fighting amateur and i told jim like this kid could

142:28be good he trained up in milwaukee but not rufus for uh red shaffers at the time yeah and i saw him i used to go to train with her and i watched him like hitting pads and doing so he's funky he could be good when he go pro he could be a champion and then sure his first fight went the way it did and then cali i remember seeing him in hotel like montel let me holler at you real fast like you know i know you i've seen you fight bro go out there and do what you do you're you're fucking good like hit this dude as much you can when he force a shot get his admission and you can't finish with ground and pound you can finish this dude like i got you bro thank you and he went out there and did in the back i was like man i was surprised like i'm not i knew that i seen what he's done in the gym i know what he can do he's special he really is he's got real potential but he doesn't freak me out as much

143:08as his as brandon davis in terms of he looks healthy at his way yeah brandon davis like i couldn't believe like that he ever weighed 135 when i'm looking at him like you're so big for that weight and he was 45 before that and apparently the pi ufc performance institute they're the ones who talked him into going to 35 they're like you can make the cut he was more than 160 when he weighed in when he was in the octagon and that means yeah i heard him say i'm about 160 now the pi said he can make it that's good because when i went there got one point coming off the osp or jimmy i can't remember marking him was like oh you're always thinking about 85 i'm like what yeah that's how of course you got me i was 300 pounds like well maybe like i tried to test cut it didn't go well but now the pi was here so i emailed them i went out there and we did a test and clint and bo both said well clint

143:53both of them just get stronger clint like i'm gonna tell you right now because i've seen your numbers compared to other numbers you walk around smaller but when you put your own system your numbers is like you're like leaner than most of these guys you can make 85 but you'll probably like die like it wouldn't be healthy at all you it wouldn't be worth it well so many guys like dustin poirier um so many guys going up in weight class have been the best thing that's ever happened to them so um jorge masvidal so many guys they go up to 70 they just look better robert whitaker whitaker's perfect champ champ yeah um i mean i think that it's a it's it's a bad environment when there's 20 pound weight gaps between like 85 and 205 or even 15 between 55 and 70 these are giant weight gaps that's too much weight you got a thing from 205 to 85 that's 20 pounds you're like oh you

144:39can make it like you do you see me when i'm on the scale of 205 now it ain't like i'm still flat like my abs is popping yeah like my cheekbones what do you think i'm gonna look at a 20 extra pounds oh you'd be a dead man yeah yeah you look like a dead man i mean you'd have to literally like do something to your body like you'd have to run marathon every day because like brandon was running like 20 miles a day brandon davis before that fight that's carl robertson because he was a big 85er yeah he fought 205 on contender but he wasn't like solid at 25 205 you can see he still had more body fat so stuff he can get off i remember going out to the pi and it's something like you're going to become like a marathon runner just can't what do you mean they gave us meal plans like very small meals but you got around like five to three to six miles a day and then bike after that

145:24another 10 to 15 at night so that's what we was doing like sunday hit me up like you ready to go to the park all right we go bike 15 miles and i leave he go run the thing the five mile loop again bro that's fucking because i have to if i want to make weight but now he's got it down pat so he doesn't have to do that anymore he had to get his body to where he's supposed to be walking around like 205 the 210 max lean so when he get in the camp a good two three mile run get him down to 201 now it's just like eat right and train and then suck that last few pounds yeah certain people like that but like when you see me like i see you like next to globe that's when i really pay attention to it when i came in at 236 on two week notice we look about the same we got on a scale or when we did the face off and we turned side with it you kind of see like he's thinner but i got my torso and

146:07everything is thick because i was 300 pounds at one point i don't lose that did you ever think about heavyweight and the ufc mark said it before yeah he even said like bro the way 85 205 and heavyweight 85 it's like 205 that's a little smaller faster but they don't hit as far as hard as they do in 205 and heavyweight they hit hard but they're a lot slower and faster than 205 so you can go up and i think you still do great and if you go down i think if you rehydrate right back up you just go through everybody but i like 205 like i said i haven't been dominated until somebody showed me i don't need to be here right i'm not going anywhere well especially when you're walking around 235 that's really the weight class for you yeah now yeah like i said you feel great and healthy for that weight yeah why fuck

146:51around to the heavyweight division is so strange too because it's got a weight limit like 265 always weirded me out like why is there a weight limit like there should probably be a 225 and then there should be an unlimited yeah it should be as big as you fucking get you know like a bunch of butter balls just rolling around each other maybe that'd probably be boring or giant dudes like in gano that don't even have to cut weight you know you know like curtis blaze i know he was a big one he's huge yeah i recruited him in college and i seen him in high school he was big then uh who's another one um one something he just came in from the contender light-skinned dude with afro real crazy he fought in milwaukee the milwaukee car heavyweight he fought my buddy in the contender they went out there three weeks before and he was like 290 something three weeks before my teammate was like 250 already

147:40i told my brother this ain't gonna be no regional fight you need to come ready this dude is huge when he hits you he's hitting you and if he gets you to the ground he's donkey kong you i had seen film on him and curtis blaze hit me up about him when he first started fighting pro and i seen film i told him like i've seen film but looking at how big this kid is it's not gonna be a fight you used to and sure enough i think my guy took it like he's oh he's big but he's not gonna be as fast as me shit he rehydrated up but he was athletic is oh that was not a fight to watch but lessons learned yeah now if you could if you were running shit if cory anderson's president of the ufc what would you change the rankings the rankings go back to where it was if you beat this guy you move up yeah why do they do it now they do it based on like i have no journalist yeah something like that something

148:29like that a bunch of dudes vote for it that's what they say yeah in my mind i feel like i think somebody in ufc still has something to do with it but they swear up and down every time i say something i'll be like it's not them bro somebody else but i don't know because even mick after the glover fight he told me like bro that was a hell of a fight thank you for stepping in you've definitely been a top five and i said in the interview like i should be top five but i got a feeling i won't be and everybody in the interview like that sounds crazy you just beat the number three you'll definitely be top five wednesday came out number six and people are like how does that make sense then i'd be a leader it's like oh there's no question you'll be top five but if everything starts going great for you and growing the right way do you think you'd be like well what the fuck am i fighting against now

149:05oh that's why i made a tweet somebody posted before like i'm just saying how cory's steady dropping down the rankings when you got guys like diamond red he beat volcom who was four and everybody said he lost that fight but he or volcom was six actually something like that he lost that fight but he jumped up to four like how does he he won off decision like oh it's because you lose or win on decision they don't move rankings up for decision then he won off decision he went up to number four and somebody said how is that even possible i said it's to the point now i can't worry about fighting people in charge of rankings and my opponent because if i worry about both of them i'm not focused on something yeah so i'm just worried about the opponent i'm just gonna keep beating whoever they put in front of me and eventually if they keep trying to put these guys up to fight john

149:42like off knockouts like you said anthony smith he knocked out rashad uh shogun and then choked out vulcan he went up to ufc or john and he had none on the ground all that extra stuff it's good when you're knocking guys out and i think it's gonna be the same thing with santo he knows if i'm knocking guys out but his losses um in 85 other than branch he also eric spicely on the ground john is good on the ground john's gonna take him down as soon as you come running me if you hit him once john gonna take you down and he ain't gonna have no answer right i mean if you don't have everything tested by the time when it's time to go to the championship fight if you can't do nothing striking it's over tiago to me seems like i mean he's a very dangerous guy but almost like so aggressive that he's almost

150:22like a kamikaze guy like he's do or die like kill or be killed he comes in just swinging throwing hammers and if he connects it's dangerous if he connects it's bad for everybody but he might not connect you i don't mean it's that's kind of how he is he's he's uh he's a wild card that's the best way to put it like he could connect on john if john fucks around and i don't think he will i think i mean he hasn't ever before except for the gustavson fight i don't think he was prepared as much as he should have and we saw that in the second fight where he just dominated him but i think that if he makes a mistake tiago can shut the lights out on anybody that guy swings he throws like it's the sludge hammer he throws he's not trying to make it to the final round like he's not pacing himself there's none of that that dude he comes out hard but it's like i think about him as my fight with a little chiefie

151:13going into that fight we i knew 100 percent a little he's gonna try to wrestle me but if he can't take me down everything is gonna be haymakers because he's seen me get touched in the chin and go down a rival so as long as i keep moving if i make him miss he's gonna get tired and he's gonna stop throwing those big haymakers and sometimes when he's swinging he missed he almost falls over and it gives you like the counter or the takedown yeah that's thing in our division there's so many people not right more like rock and stocking robots i think because they got their hands up and they blocking it's like oh he's not hitting me but with four-ounce gloves i guess i put like i was caged out for ryan bader and john anthony johnson bader had his hands up but rumble was hitting his hands so hard yeah also you see his hands just drop he was out it doesn't matter if you let them hit

151:52you there's a chance of still getting wobbled and i think with john john's good at evading punches most guys stay in their block and counter back or try to take a punch and hit you back like take a punch to give a punch john's not that kind he's gonna move move move you swing he's so long he can put his hands out and keep you at distance and hit you with those quick fast long kicks and stuff and i just like you said i don't see john messing around he knows it's dangerous he's smart i would say john's not only the best fighter he's probably and mentally as a mixed martial artist he sees what's going on really well yeah he knows how to adapt he can go out there and try tricky stuff at times when you know i can try some stuff right here and get away with it because i'm long yeah like with the shogun fight he went out there and showed up jumping knees jumping kicks because

152:35shogun was so short yeah he knew he said i'm a different breed i'm longer i'm faster and trickier but i think when coming a guy like gus he didn't do all that stuff but he knew he had to stay long and evade punches and get a takedown and hit him where you can yeah and the gus fight he showed his metal right he showed that he could take it and then win in the championship rounds even in a fight that he wasn't even really properly prepared for he showed that in the vitor belfort fight too when he got caught with that arm bar yep he overcomes adversity he's not just a hammer he he knows how to be the nail he knows how to do it uh well listen cory you're a bad motherfucker i appreciate you coming here it was fun you want to talk on more we did three hours man but we talked all mma let's get 30 minutes hunting let's do it i want to talk 100 okay let's talk 100 but you told me you're going on

153:22your first elk hunting trip this year yep getting out to montana what where part is it around i can't remember so um he gave me the codes to put into the the dnr site are you using a different set because you're using a light setup out there for but that's for target right uh here i got the 60 pounds yeah 60 just like 62 or 63 and how many grains arrows you said like that's uh 260 yeah that's a really light arrow man i'll use when i go out there for elk hunting i use either 300 so i got the grizzly stick weighted tips whatever 300 grains that's it that's usually what i shoot 300 grain i shoot 525 525 grains i should pull 84 pounds i like uh i like that with the tip and everything in it i don't know what it is with the answer yeah it's 300 weight i don't yeah with everything yeah yeah i have to get

154:09to scale i make my own arrows in the basement and all that but i just i don't have to scale to see how much i weigh at the end the um are you trying to do that for speed is that why you have the light grains that's just what you got the my guy aces and arrows has a hat i'm wearing actually in vegas i'm gonna connect you to john dudley i mean i know you've already talked to him but i want to get you guys together next time you're anywhere near here and he's anywhere or if you're in vegas and he's in vegas i'm gonna get you guys together and have him coach you and help you because i already i already see that you you're very accurate you know we're playing techno hunt you're you're you know scoring in the vitals every single time you know except for one one little one little body one body shot but even that's a dead elk where you where you hit it but john can help you tremendously he he'll he'll

154:52tighten up your shit i love that i see his videos i study that stuff all the time but again he's like the mark henry of archery i see it yeah that hundred yard shot through the kettlebell target i tell my friends all the time like that was the most amazing thing i've ever seen the hole is this big he went through an arrow only broke because of vibration yeah it's like you don't see people shooting like cam is good too but i'm not saying he couldn't do it but i don't cam could do it too yeah but cam does a post video shooting through kettlebells no he posts some crazy videos too but i mean it's just that level of commitment where they're just constantly training constantly doing and john is also just such a fantastic coach you know he's so good at understanding archery fundamentals and explaining it to you positioning and it's very much like martial arts in that

155:37you make a few little changes and it does the world of difference i'm willing to learn yeah most of the stuff i'm learning on the fly i got my dad we learned how to shoot together when i was like 12 one of his buddies like oh you ever did archery took me to the range she got me a browning when i was a kid and you know i was shooting i did 3d shooting with him it's kind of like what i learned was from what he learned but if you know my dad everything other than work everything is kind of like ghetto i used to call him the ghetto cowboy we had horses and everything and it was just like the way you see people do it on tv when that was not the way my dad learned how to arrange horses grab horses and saddle them up and everything was kind of ghetto so i was the ghetto cowboy you know so now when i go back from things i learned and i tell him because like you said

156:22you see my answer i'm all hunting you know i ain't fighting i'm hunting constantly he's like where'd you learn is it's just watching videos and i go hunting with somebody else just instead of talking like i talk about what i know but most i'm just sitting there listening to guys talk and i ask a question like yeah like i don't know what it is but i make it seem like i do but yes what are you thinking about that and they break it down i had no clue about that you know learn how to field dress my first deer in texas with these guys hero sports a bunch of veterans we go out they ask me and justin gaethje that's how i got close with gaethje hunting with those guys we're out with veterans with amputated legs or mental problems whatever just listen to their story and we kill a deer like they've been hunting their whole life they grew up as kids so

156:58field dressing and how to call and like you shooting the right foot like oh you go to this website and if you got 110 granite uh bullet it shows you here at 300 yards aim on this crosshair and like i learned different stuff from those guys veterans that do this stuff for a living they done been to war and learn how to shoot a gun then guys these look like john w i see his videos and his uh not school of knocks and whatnot watching stuff like that like you said you ever had any coaching like what i do is just practice over and over and over when i'm at the range the owner mike of a&m he'll come out and be like oh kind of try to turn your head a little bit more i didn't have a kisser button put a kisser button on that'll force you to turn your head and you need to be strict with the line straight down and think about pushing his lifeline through and just stuff like that i just practice like i said

157:44i'm shooting i used to shoot at least 100 hours a day like i said i popped that truck bed down put the radio on your side there and shoot i shot one time so long i couldn't move my neck back the next morning i fell asleep like this and i woke up i cannot i was stuck like i didn't even train because i was stuck with my head turning like this because my neck had got tight because i was crunching up here and doing this like i wasn't supposed to but it all tightened up yeah and you know so i'm learning the hard way just like i went turkey hunting this year this last week archery turkey yeah yeah never been turkey hunting before i've only seen on youtube i heard somebody telling me at the trade show the great american outdoors and it just sounds so interesting and i started youtubing and i ordered all the stuff i need decoys and i was teaching myself watching videos knocking the first day i slate

158:26called and box called i'm like i know that's not right now i can't do that now i put it on a slate and it sounded like an actual turkey calling like i'm good in a week i just study and try right so stuff like that so i just look forward to have you ever fucked with those hex suits the who hex suit you know what it is h-e-c-s it's uh especially with birds birds you know birds can navigate using magnetics they they use they use like the magnetic pole to in electromagnetic fields it's been proven that birds can register and they see electric or sense electromagnetic fields and they think that birds in particular and and see creatures too like they use it with uh scuba divers and and uh spear fishermen and people like that there's a suit that blocks the electromagnetic signal that your body gives off

159:18and uh it's supposedly particularly effective with turkeys who you know are very uh they see very well and they see things movement and they're very very skittish and they see any weird shit they just get the fuck out of there but um this guy mike slinkard who's one of the guys who created the hex suit he hunts uh turkeys with no blind he just sits out in the field with this hex suit on that blocks the electromagnetic magnetic signal and then he puts camo on over the hex suit and there's videos of him doing this man it's kind of crazy you know this is uh i gotta check that out this is him sitting there so he's sitting with this hex suit on right in front of these turkeys now you know as well as i know that most of the time if you were right in front of a turkey like that they would get the fuck out of

160:05dodge unless you got your little uh decoy the feather thing they put over but he's not he doesn't have that they don't he got decoy in his hand yeah i mean he's probably got something body behind it's a giant body behind him he's he's moving but the idea is that it can't see the electromagnetic signal that you're giving off there's a lot of videos on it it's super controversial but uh dudley swears by it john dudley swears by and a lot of other folks do too um yeah i think it does i think it works for everything i think animals can sense something i mean it's not everything right i mean you still can't be downwind or upwind you know if if you if your wind comes and catches them they're gonna smell you and they're gonna get the fuck out of there but it's a another what is that another camel christ that's a great picture like that's a perfect example of how camo works right that picture it's

161:00great but you gotta if you try to take that picture me you tried that you're gonna see me it's like a perfect angle yeah of course i mean it's the perfect type of leaves the perfect angle the perfect lighting you know it's probably fucked with a little but you know the the hex suit is a very controversial thing but people smarter than me say it works it really works with sea creatures for some reason with um things in the water because you know animals they have that lateral line or fish rather have that lateral line and they they sense electrical signals that are coming off of uh creatures that are in the water and so scuba divers swear by this fucking the suit it's interesting stuff yeah never heard never heard i'm like what i'll get them to send you some yeah for sure well like i said i listen to dudley when it comes to every i'm you know i'm like you when it comes to

161:53martial arts if someone's teaching me something i just listen i don't i don't second guess and when a guy as wise as him says that it works i'm curious about it at least try it before i knock it yeah it don't work for me then maybe it's just i'm doing something wrong and they come and show me and it still don't work it's kind of got i don't believe but if it worked do you have a particular uh camo company that right now i'm using sika sika is the best yeah i love it they're the best i got they gave me a little pro deal 50 off oh really oh that's great so it worked out yeah i love it it's still expensive but it's worth it yeah they they just have so much engineering in their shit and guys like john barklow the guy was with the designer that does all the protesting and cold weather and you ever see the cold water immersion test they've done with their shit he's got a rewarming drill that

162:40he put online explaining to people what you do if you're in cold conditions and you fall into the water like how to rewarm yourself he's got a whole video where he did it they jumped into this icy river and then yeah nope and then climbed out and you know the the suits are designed and a lot of the clothing is designed to allow you to survive in that sort of a situation but you know you have to know how to do it how to go about it so here's there's john and uh this guy that he's with and they just dunked there's john on the right and they dunk themselves in this freezing fucking water and then get out and then they put on sleeping bags and got in the tent and i'm gonna tell you right now that's some wps joe you're not gonna see no black man dunking yourself in no frozen water just a proof of point i'm cool well he's educating people that was actually when he was in the military

163:38that's what he did he he taught cold weather survival he's he's so thorough too and you know and he's one of the reasons why sitka's gear is so well engineered and designed because they've got a guy like him that's uh telling them how to design things and he's a hunter too he hunted with me uh last year i hunted uh elk with him and uh in um utah i'm actually gonna get the test out like my buddy told me before like i promise you sicker you get that warm and stuff no matter how cold you're not gonna get cold like the best shit so i'm going to uh saskatchewan canada for whitetail in november yeah the guy he told me he said it gets he's like it's not that bad but it's kind of like what's not bad he was like sometimes like negative that's fucking bad you come right i got an extra body suit for you so i'm gonna get their super warm gear and try it out and he said if it don't work i'll let you

164:25use the body suit but well you might need the body suit in saskatchewan it's fucking i'm gonna test and see if it really works i might see your boy's videos check it out that canada cold's a different cold you know those people are hardy folks yeah we went out there in uh june for the bear hunt actually me and my dad in the mornings it was cold yeah by the time day the sun come out and then we go to the top of the mountain to the glass and you know man fast like instantly hands froze i'm in the truck in the heat he's just out there chilling in his t-shirt like this is how they do this they're just used to it yeah now you when you were up there was that spot and stalk or yeah yeah so you're catching them when they were coming out of the dens and we have to go up to the top of the viewing point at

165:07top of the mountain and we look me him my dad he had the spot and scope we both from binoculars he said just look for a black dot you see something you tell me and i put the spot and scope on it and see if it's a a sow or a bear we can get you know have something like all of us a sow or her cubs we're not shooting those we only want old males and it's crazy because it's a 30 minute drive to the top of the mountain so after we see him it might look like it's right there it takes like an hour to get down there and we got to park and we still got to walk 20 30 minutes and hope he's still in that area right you know i mean like i said we came across elk we came across cougars all kind of stuff but you get there and that bear was gone yeah and we hopped and we're like back to the truck back to the top and we did it all day till like it got dark and it take us till midnight or whatever to get

165:49home because it was so far into the mountains and it was great like i said but it walking i had the wrong boots i had like work boots so my calves and stuff was burning the first day but and i'm with the head guy he's i don't like driving i was like walking a lot so we did a whole lot of walking like i figured you being a ufc fighter i could test you out i never had a guy as athletic as you that's able to walk most people are overweight or right not that athletic so you want to go a little bit it's time to go to the truck like you i can test you out it's a lot of cardio man those walking up those hills man i've never been so sore in my life that's my mom said like mr overtime 25 8 like right you ain't did it mama yeah it's different it's different walking up those hills and those guys that get used to it those very specific muscles that you use when you're constantly hiking up hills

166:33now you said you did a blackbird hunt before right yeah i did a few in a bow or rifle bow in um uh north of alberta with uh my friends uh john and jen the rivets up there they got a great camp up there i just don't have the time to get away for that many camps you know and i prefer elk hunting how many camps are you doing a year i'm gonna do four this year four this year two elk um uh one axis deer and uh one mule deer now what about saskatchewan white tail you seen those fuck but would you would you do it yeah i would do it yeah i would do it he said he'd do whatever this year i can't because i do have something scheduled in november already well you tell me when i can't do more than one hunt a month i'll get divorced my kids will beat me up i'm on the verge of that already i'm all every morning i get up four o'clock she just put the baby back to sleep i'm up making noise

167:29like wish me luck i'll see you when i get back i know they don't like it man it's funny but i get it but it's it's one of those things that just takes a lot of time like if you're gonna go on a hunting trip it's seven days away you know you have seven days and you're you're gonna be probably somewhere where there's no cell phone signal but for me man it's very valuable for my head i i i re-center out there i get it man there's fucking animals chasing deer and things are trying to survive and it just puts everything in perspective for me when i'm sneaking up on an elk and i'm i'm tiptoeing tiptoeing through the grass and i'm just trying to get inside like 60 70 yards just to get a good shot off and i'm trying to make sure the wind is right and i'm not thinking about anything else man nothing and when i draw back and i center my pin and you know and i put i'm looking through the peep site and

168:20everything's right and the housing's level and i've got my anchor point and i'm pulling with my back muscles and i'm just concentrating on that spot aim small miss small it all the world goes away the world goes away and when that arrow finds that crease and sinks right through then you see those fletchings disappear and you're like oh we fucking did it that's what people will never understand like why would you be happy you killed an animal because it's so hard to do it's not that you're happy the animals die you're happy you did it it's a relief it's so hard to do it's like people don't understand like to maintain calmness and stillness when you're drawing on an animal it's not like a rifle i've shot things with a rifle and it's not easy it's more hard than people think it is but it's way easier than using a bow exactly it's not even close because you got to draw back without being spotted

169:10yeah then you got to hold steady yeah like the rifle is kind of you got sticks yeah put on a stick pull it to your shoulder like you said it ain't easy but you find the crosshair once you get it settled is there with that that's just squeeze squeeze sometimes i pull i pull it down so they don't see me so right now i'm starting to shake i've been held like the one i held three minutes and 41 seconds i had to record and i held his butt coming he kept stopping like i feel my back and i'm like wobbly and i post the video after that kill like people wonder why i'm so proud of my like do you know it's like being 235 pounds 6'3 in a tree not being spotted hold the bow you know and you got to control your breathing yeah one wrong move in my head if i go to inch something he see my hat move the silhouette he's gone it's like literally like i post a video and it looked

169:55like a picture like just me holding it looked like a picture because i never moved like i don't think anybody would understand how hard it is to be as big as i am all the way up in the tree with a climber i'm using the climber so that's hard too and get up and just sit still the wind blowing everything you can't sway you sit everything has to be right it's an art to it people never know they'll never know unless they do it it's one of those things and many people that get mad at people that do it are meat eaters which drives me crazy they think there's something wrong with killing wild animals like that's the best way to do it because these animals first of all they're gonna you're gonna get organic real wild meat it's better for you second of all like these animals lived a real life they're not like chained up in a butcher shop come on the funniest thing after i got the

170:41bear me and my dad got and we post a picture and uh this lady she's in the same supplement company i know she eats meat i've seen her at a barbecue her and her husband like pounding burgers and i posted the picture she's like i can't believe you i will no longer follow you how could you dare go in the wild and kill a bear to eat it i said don't you eat burgers or that you went and got a cattle that somebody took and chained up and slaughtered you rather that than me going out and getting them the most natural way ever not only that if you love animals you gotta kill bears because they eat everything yeah they eat the 50 of all the deer fawns and elk calves they get killed by bears 50 of them like i posted a picture killing a coyote once and everybody like oh you get a coyote didn't do anything to you but thing they didn't see i posted a video a week later i killed the coyote as he was

171:30chasing down a doe yeah he was like trying to get him and i saw i swung through him right when he came out pow flipped and it was over i saved the deer's life but all y'all saw was the picture of the coyote well you can't eat them yeah but i saved the other wildlife it's just you never make everybody happy you can't make anybody happy that doesn't understand hunting that's for sure they they have this perception of it from movies and from a lot of those redneck stupid tv shows where you know this they just don't they don't portray hunting in a positive way and so people get this negative impression about it but i think with more people like you elite athletes that are getting into a bow jackson is a big bow hunter you know there's a lot of bow hunters now that are you know that we're just athletes and they realize like wow this is thrilling and exciting and then it's the

172:19best meat in the world so you have so many pros and it's the most i think it's the most ethical way to eat meat because you're going out and getting it yourself you're not hiring some supermarket hitman you're doing it yourself all right that's the thing well my youtube channel that's the main point ain't all about hunting it's more like one a black guy in the community two showing people it's more than just killing like i so far the one i'm editing now is a turkey hunt this whole week i'm out there but i didn't kill anything but it's more showing it's more like you see the deer walk up the view the sun coming up the sun going down and you're shooting all this and editing it yeah i'm doing it all myself now do you think you'll have a career in that after you get done with fighting that's i don't like i tell when i meet people at the shows that work well and work with me like i don't know

172:59what do you want like i don't want no money or anything i just want your help if you can let me use one of your gear one of your thing and i advertise it i put you a little link at the beginning tactic cam bow creek different people i use just put a thing on there just i don't want money but because i'm just a fighter i'm not a hunter but i love the sport you know i love hunting and you share you help advertise whatever i'm just want to get as well as well known as i am in fighting i want the same thing in hunting and what that'll do is that to bring other people because i see like when i go to the bow shop people ask all the time like i'm in today i was in a hotel my boy like oh you got a gig somewhere that's a guitar like no it's a bow and arrow you see a guy say boy and arrow he look at yeah i hunt all the time i love hunting especially when you see me like i

173:37told my wife i'm gonna be the first person on joe rogan shooting techno thing with jordan's a do-rag but with a bow like it don't work that way like you don't see nobody wearing a do-rag and jordan it's very rare on the streets with sounds but you see me with a bow or a gun i wonder if you're the first guy to ever shoot techno hunt wearing a do-rag and a bow you might be and uh and jordan's well jordan's maybe someone's done that before i would to do right not with you might get somebody with a do-rag without the jordan right you might get somebody with a do-rag jordan's without the do-rag it's true i got them both you got the combo yeah i mean so that's the i want people to see with the show not about hunting just you don't have to be the typical what people see you see yeah country guys cowboy hats cowboy boots kick kickers and they truck and that's the guy you

174:22expect to be a hunter right the guy walk around a camel but i want somebody to see because people find out like you hunt i love it that's it i don't know when people see a top level ufc fighter doing it they're like whoa really like this is life yeah well you that's i love that you love it man it's it's it means a lot to me man i i think that positive role models like you are what the sport needs to change people's i don't want to say sport because i don't think hunting is a sport let's call it a culture a culture to change people's perceptions of it the positive people like you that are elite athletes and just for people to get a chance to see like hey this is i mean i'm not encouraging everyone to do it but i think there's a lot of people that would love it that have never tried it because they maybe don't have an understanding of what it actually is so if they see you or they see the

175:06videos are you doing like chad mendez is deep he's deep but that's all he wants to do i love it he loves it that's all he wants to do i mean he he basically is fighting to pay for his hunting career you know yeah i plan oh hey you found it this is just scouting and stuff yeah but right now i got this in uh jersey yeah this is like behind my house i believe there's a lot oh you got mavens huh it's a lot that i purchase i can see everybody think everything i post is stuff i got hooked no a lot of stuff i got i purchased because that's what i like to use i'll have maven hook you up brandon weaver where you at i actually met him i met him at this great i'll do it that's not bought it great like i tried to stuff at the stand like i'm gonna purchase this oh that's good man good for you they make great shit i mean there's a lot of great companies out there yeah the guy filming he's a

175:48teammate of mine that hunts but one of the guys i talked to frank yeager he said he wanted to do it somebody gave him a bow i said give me a bow i set it up i'll show you how to get i got all my guys tell them all send the link um do your hunter safety card and i'll take you out i film it and i'll show you how to do it really like my buddy's in jersey he's a jersey shore guido type guy but like i said i taught him how to shoot a bow 15 weeks ago couldn't he kept mixing up the difference between uh is this your shop yeah this is a little pro shop in the basement oh wow nice so you set up your own bows and everything you level your third axis and all that stuff no kidding that's great man i love it so the thing is just getting people i want average joe's you get together with jim miller he's out there too right he's up in uh summit i haven't hunted with him but we talked yeah he's another one full

176:34balls deep i'm working with his guys at a and w labs right now for like attracting and whatnot them in boat creek are the two ius like a and w labs a and w labs like attract they got and attractants like on top of the corner whatever yeah so like getting them on camera so like i use this stuff like the killer q like i said it's not just getting people in it but like getting these local shops like he told them like we don't sell in stores we try to get a few here a few there but like we don't have the the network to get our name out there so it's people like that right supporting those that support me you help me support me fighting and i'll post this stuff you know because i got more followers than you so maybe somebody will click the link for sure there and give it a try yeah for sure that's awesome man you have a perfect attitude i i would i think you know

177:16i mean there's a lot of careers right now in the hunting world like a lot of guys make videos they post videos and they basically make a great living just making hunting videos you can you can do that now hunting podcast now you know steve rinello who's the guy who got me into hunting in 2012 for that show you've seen that show um they they make tremendous money now touring they do these podcasts these hunting podcasts and then they do them live they do them live it's sold out theaters i mean it's crazy i mean i i try to get him involved in podcasting years ago because he would be on mine and he was so good at them like you're such a great talker you'd be perfect for this and now it's just one of their their biggest things but it's one more way where guys can make a living and also spread a really positive message and be a great ambassador for for hunting for the hunting community i guess i told

178:11post on frankie's he did um the butcher box is that the new yeah yeah and i told him like i've been trying to tell him get out to the woods with me like we can get you some meat like i give him and ricardo meat if they want it out of my freezer and somebody said something about my comment i was like i can give a man a fish and he have food for days but if i teach a man to fish he have food for life like that's yeah he can get this box right like it'd be cool he's like oh now everybody can hunt like you but i can teach him yeah anybody as well you can hit me up anytime if you willing to hunt if you can make it to me i will take you out and new jersey's infested with deer everywhere like oh you're you're a murderer i'm but when it hits your car you mad i'm saving you that problem people die some guy in my friend cam haynes neighborhood last year died guy in front of him hit a deer the

178:53deer went up in the air and came through his windshield killed him that's a freak story yeah but if i killed him if i shot the deer before he got to the rope right that wouldn't happen you saving lives i'm saving lives and getting lyme disease and ticks and everything out there did you get lyme not yet i'm out there i'm white say all the time you like obsessed with ticks now you should be exactly i'm like i feel like it's a tick on me or something maybe i got ticks i put the sawyers on i use lethal now good i put on my skin everything good but i'll be in the woods now now i feel something and i paint and sure enough fucking tick on me i get home i got socks over my pants gloves over my sleeves and everything tucked in and i take everything off i look in the mirror sure enough be one on my back like dead ass i was at the philly fights and me and

179:34my buddies from hero sports we sound like real flex on my back like we're just what are you talking about we saying ain't on your back and i reached in my shirt and sure enough put a fucking tick on my back like bro we in philly are the fights why a fucking tick get on me they're everywhere like they're everywhere they're everywhere and some giant percentage of them have lyme disease they say new jersey is the highest infested place with ticks i can imagine i mean you see what happened with jim miller i mean it fucked him up for years yeah yeah i mean it fucked my friend's son up he got bell's palsy where his face went numb on his son you know it's fucking bad man i think frank was frank yeah one of the guys at gym his wife had lyme got bit a while ago and she was messed up for a while marcus davis you know marcus davis wound up using all of his money he earned in the ufc to help

180:17his wife because his wife got real bad lyme disease where she was hospitalized for a long time man it could let people don't understand that that shit can devastate you that is a dirty disease those little stinking fucking ticks man they can really mess your life i'm surprised cam don't get as much as he carried a deer as every time i see that now i'll be thinking how do you carry a deer on your neck if he did he'd never tell anybody he would have lyme disease and just run 150 miles until the lyme disease died yeah he's a psycho yeah there's discipline and then there's what that guy has and this guy too oh yeah goggins he's another one man he's another one it's like these guys that like they they exhibit this next level toughness that makes you re-examine what you're doing like you think you're tough and then you find out like goggins what did we say he ran like 28 100

181:04fucking mile runs in a row something insane like that it's a lot why more than one's a lot why because it's to prove it when you run over two miles i look like why i get text message from goggins say stay hard motherfucker this is i'm checking in on you right now you hear him yelling in the text exactly have you seen the um documentary uh netflix losers no i haven't look it up there's one on there um the guy called lost in the desert it's a guy who runs it's a desert run they do caring what country but you go out there and he was just so man so obsessed with winning like it's a thousand people running through this desert but it's a course they have to follow when the wind get bad they got check-ins or whatnot they're supposed to follow and this guy he was so obsessed like he wasn't checking he was like trying to take shortcuts and like if i go this way i'll find it

181:49he ended up going off the course and when it cleared up he was way off course but he was so obsessed i still got to finish he was out there for like five or something five or six days yeah and they're talking about how they announced to his family told his family your husband's dead we can't find you find them they had helicopters going all over the place he went to a point where he's like drinking his own piss he found his cave that's full of bats he's like ripping his heads off mixing them up drinking to survive drinking the bat juice fat juice mixing it up and he like at one point he heard a helicopter coming over he took all his clothes all his gear dug a hole and set it all on fire hoping it would see him as the fire went up the wind blew it out so he didn't get so he out there with no gear no nothing in the middle of nowhere he's about he ended up getting back

182:28and his mind says like i have to finish he's everybody left he said when he got there the checkpoint was gone but his friend had flew back to find him and sure enough oh my god his friend was there found him in the desert yeah it's called the doctrine is called losers here losers in the episode is lost in the desert the whole show is good all the little things on it is good but that lost in the desert one he ended up divorcing his wife or his wife left him because after that he still went back he came home and she's like you're not going back like i'm doing it again i have to finish and now he still does it he divorces wife his wife left well his wife left him because you got a family when she left he left she was mad like what about your family people die on this what happened he's like don't worry this isn't this i love this i have to do it when he came back

183:11his wife was like we're not doing it again he was like yes i am like you just as on like he was pretty much dead they put him in the hospital they found him and everything he ended up doing it again maro prosperi wow the survival story of maro prosperi disoriented after a sandstorm so hard desert this italian ultra marathon runner walked nearly 200 miles to safety fuck but he's italian he's probably gonna get divorced anyway hey where are you gonna go those fucking guys are animals yeah when you see that you're gonna be like after i want you to direct dm me after you watch i will think like that was i will see it when he ate the bad juice i was like that i would just kill myself there i'm not like he was literally biting their heads off just in a cave dark no light but he could he was feeling from he could see the eyes he grabbed right the head rip it up with a stick that's how he would survive

184:02in a cave what kind of diarrhea did that guy have i don't care drinking that i guess he even killed he tried to kill himself actually really but he was so dehydrated he cut his wrist he had the last sharp thing he cut his wrist with and went to bed hoping he was gonna wake like not wake up dead and he woke up he's like what in the world he said that was my sign that i wasn't supposed to die he said when he got to the hospital they saw his wrist they said you were too dehydrated to kill yourself he didn't have anything he couldn't bleed his healed up jesus christ he said that was it he was walking i felt myself fainting i just kept telling myself i'm here i have to make it i have to make it and i have to make it and he said he finally like he see like some girl walking out in the desert he started walking away she was going then army whatever arm wherever it was at

184:42the army out there come get him and they got guns and shit he think he's gonna die and they took him to the hospital he woke up he had ivs and everything and they recovered and took him back to his family it's a crazy story i mean all of them was good but that was my brother called me like watch that bro if you got a mentality like that you are the fucking man watch that two days in he stumbled into an abandoned muslim shrine where he noticed some bats huddled together prosperi grabbed a handful of them cut off their heads with a knife and then sucked out their insides to drink their blood and quench his thirst eventually he did his vampire act on 20 bats when another three days passed with no signs of rescue he slit his wrists and waited to die but his blood had thickened due to dehydration so it wouldn't drain out fuck man like that's some

185:29goggins and cam they need to get together and do a podcast and talk about that like that was they wouldn't have cut their wrists ain't that tough no they wouldn't have tried to kill themselves you're right they would have just kept going i think those those kind of people is ultra marathon people it's a different there's a different breed a human you know they it's like everything has there's levels right to everything there's levels you you've you've experienced it in your own life where you toughened up you became a stronger person a harder person and then there's levels past that and there's levels past that and especially for people that have one solitary thing they do like ultra marathons they're all the skinny dudes who can just keep going they just keep going it's just it's it's the the pulling it off the crossing the line

186:16and knowing that you did something that seemed almost impossible so so titanically epically difficult to do that so few people can ever do it when they do they're talking about running a 500 mile race now because they did the moab 230 and they had the bigfoot 200 all these people that are putting on these races they're like okay we could do 240 let's see if we could do 500 so now they're talking about doing a 500 mile race it's next level it's hard for me to run a 5k i hear you well you're a big fella too i mean i could do it but i did in college and i've never in like a nothing calculated like you had to pay due again it was like a charity we had to do for college nope never again have you ever thought about doing something like that like i'm gonna go around 5k i ain't finna pay to go around it's like

187:02going skyline why am i jumping on a perfectly good plane to go on the ground why do you have to pay to run a 5k like what are they they're organizing it i guess i guess the most of them i go to foundations and stuff like that but even then like you heard about the foundations that take money i don't trust you you do hear about like i'm not paying no hundreds on books to go run 13.1 miles right i'm cool people know it's more the fact that i can say i did it i can say i did it on my own yeah i just do it 13.1 miles i just check my phone you know 13 miles we're good drive home track my mile track my run boom tell me how far i go and hit 13 i'm done calling a taxi but you like when you're a big guy like you you probably it's probably not good to run a lot of miles right a lot of pounding especially i'm flat for your shit i'm so flat like my ankles like touch

187:49the inside of my ankles touch i'm so flat foot i'm pretty flat foot zero zero arch at all so i get a new pair of shoes every camp but after camp it's over because by all the movement and running i'm doing i use the same shoes athletic shoes for hitting mitts and shadow boxing and running so with all the flat foot is pushing down pushing down by time it's time to fight it's gone like i feel it my feet start hurting my calves hurt i know it's time for a new shoe you ever try minimalist shoes like those toe shoes or minimalist shoes they make them in my size what size are you 14 i bet they do i guarantee you they do they make them in 11 i'm 11 oh yeah that's the big difference they make everything in 11 and 13 my whole i had a size 14 at the age of 14 so you're not yes my feet grew up my age i was 14

188:31you must look like a puppy no i was big i was six foot time or freshman year in high school 13 years old i was six foot wow yeah like 214 shoes jesus i was a heavyweight from freshman year high school to senior in college that's wow 215 to 285 what motivated you to go down to motivated you go down to 205 well i went i did a catchweight fight at like 220 the fight before i went to ultimate fighter when i went there i had to go 205 my coach said you made it you won the belt here you might as well try it go 205 like you can do it i know you can do it all right once i got it i was like god i can do this there's like 85 like i'm not doing it i could do it but i'm not doing it i remember what it took to get here it ain't worth it it's not worth it it's you're too big you know if you look at you like i think

189:14a lot of guys have fucked their careers up by doing that but dropping too much weight yeah i think you really get rocked off a punch then you're very dehydrated that one little touch like i said i think that was a part the reason why i got knocked out against jimmy so he's too i was so light i weighed in at 205 and next day i weighed at 212 going to the green he was 229 checking in and he weighed in at 227 before the ring and he said like you're too small and i feel like my mind like i said i used to keep myself so low like when i wake up and when i get up so fast i'm sorry to sit back down like i could tell i was getting lightheaded so easy you know i mean because i was doing too much then i would get lightheaded and i just sit there for a while drink some water and stand up slow that's the feeling you get when

189:52you couldn't wait that's so crazy but i was feeling that all the time do something too fast in training and just had to sit there on the mat and go yeah give me a second and i stand up like all right terrible yeah but in my mind it's like if i stay here i'm always ready for a fight but it wasn't good at all no no you're cutting back on your performance in a big way but listen man now we did a half hour more so we're good good let's get the fuck out of here and uh let's go on a hunt man what's you and me do okay we'll figure something out this i'm i'm all booked up for this fall but maybe next year we'll start planning i'd like to take you out to utah especially after this year's elk hunt you're gonna love it all right do it cory anderson thank you sir appreciate you man bye everybody that was great