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00:03five four three two oh what happened Jamie went three to how are you what's going on doing good how you doing good welcome thank you for having me thanks for coming on you you wrote an article and I tweet let me tell you about my my chiropractic Journey um I had a podcast that I did with my friend Steve Rella a few weeks back gotcha and he has a brother that has a herniated disc real bad and he's got a atrophy in one of his arms cuz he's got a pushed nerve and you know the whole thing bulging disc not good yeah and uh we got to talk and then I said look that guy's got to do something about it right away because the more time you spend with an atrophied arm the longer it takes to rehabilitate that and it's a pretty common injury with martial artists yeah yeah that's something get get yourself to a physical therapist yeah right away and get an MRI and then spinal

00:52decompression the whole deal do you can science based absolutely so he goes uh what do you think about chiropractors and I go so I say I think chiropractors are and then uh he goes really I goes yeah I go I've just had bad experiences with it and then I've read some things about it being and then I got home after the podcast and I smoked a joint and a lot of times when I smoke I feel bad about some of the things that I've said I rarely do do you it's I I I smoke more than the average scientist I my boyfriend is a director of R&D at a pot lab oh there you go there science pot science there there is some pot kicking around on a regular basis well we get it free from a bunch of people I I have to tell people at shows and no disrespect to people that offer it to me I'm like please don't give me any pot I can't take your pot I have too much pot it's we we have a similar problem yeah um so

01:47anyway I smoked the pot and then I go God maybe I'm a dick maybe I was rude saying because I know people that are chiropractors and I know they're nice people and I know they mean well and I'm like maybe I'm a dick I think that's accurate I think they mean well some of them sure yeah I think they're wrong but they mean well so um I go maybe I was being a dick so then I Google Chiropractic and then I start reading and I spend hours and hours reading about the history of K I'm going to say this in air Big Air quotes chiropractic medicine and I go holy not only do I not feel bad now now I'm angry don't feel bad at all it and this is to all you people and I've got a ton of messages from chiropractors that I'm sure are nice folks and that are really upset because they like this podcast and they're like you know you're you're on my business and you you have to understand

02:42I it's I'm sure a lot of you are mean well I'm sure a lot of you do well I'm sure a lot of you try really hard to help your patients and I'm I'm sure a lot of you incorporate a lot of other stuff like massage and cold laser and real science into your therapies but the origin the origin the original guy who created chiropractic medicine was a complete total artist whack job this guy right here this this character Daniel David Palmer so he started out he's a magnetic healer in Davenport Iowa I mean the whole thing is 100% horseshit and I mean we this article that we wrote we sent this through I mean normally my articles I go through at least you know two editors give or take this one we put through I believe three editors a fact Checker and our lawyer to make sure that we were Bulletproof on it because we wanted to make sure that we you know that that we

03:36didn't say anything that could get us sued basically and a lot of the information from this came directly from his book from his own book so we weren't uh taking anything out of context one of the quotes on how Chiropractics started came directly from the book and he after um after cracking a a half deaf person's or a deaf person on the Rell jie had pulled up in that article pull that back up Jamie so you could see that he claimed that he cracked a deaf person's back and restored his healing or his hearing now a couple of things could have happened here either one there was no actual medical consent given because this person was deaf uh so I'm not sure how uh how that came about uh two he didn't actually restore the hearing because there are no nerves in the spine connected to your hearing uh or you know three this guy is just lying like there's there are a couple you know and

04:28we're not sure what happened but he like there are still and you know chiropractor could have done a few things with this they could have disavowed what happened and said you know we still have a system by which we can re try to relieve pain through spinal manipulation but no there are still articles out today uh from chiropractors today that try to claim that yes indeed he did restore hearing because I'm like no could you guys just maybe back down on some of the nuttier claims because there there is some some minor evidence that you can relieve back pain lower back pain with spinal manipulation and there are there are uh chyos that are trying to be science-based with this but the history of it is so ridiculous and they try to back down on nothing and that's not how science Works science works with the newest evidence and it tries to figure out what's real and what's not and they

05:16try to double down on all the craziest stuff and I think there are chyros that are trying to fix the field maybe and say you know spinal manipulation can help with back pain but that's not what this claims it claims that you can fix everything in the body through these vertebral subluxations that have never been shown what is a subluxation right so there are a couple there's there are two terms being used here and Chiropractic uses it incorrectly and in medicine we use it correctly so a sublation the the actual medical term means that a joint pops out halfway so that you have a dislocation was which is a complete uh you know separation of a joint basically and a sublation is a partial dislocation I know because they happen to my shoulder they're they're a fun party trick I'll spare you uh but a sulation in uh the Chiropractic sense they use this medical term kind of

06:04incorrectly they say that your spine can be somewhat out of joint basically and it causes all your health problems like your pancreas is malfunctioning because your spine is out of alignment and it's that's never been proven to happen and they claim that they can put you into a state of health by massaging your back and and here's what's important about this this was created out of thin air by a guy who is a quack the origin is not based on years and years of medical research none of this all of this came from the 1800s from a guy who is completely full of yep and he was he was a magnetic healer now magnetic healing like you can still see at the store these little like knee braces that have magnets in it guys save your money just get a regular old knee brace if you feel any any relief from one of those magnetic braces it's just from the brace it's not the placebo effect yeah

06:55ex exactly Placebo effects are I mean the placebo effect is a real thing you can get some relief from that but don't bother which may also account for some of the pain relief from chiropractic medicine absolutely I mean they're doing quotes medicine exactly like they're they're doing some massage along with what they're doing and some of them that's a problem because massage actually helps yep and there there are studies that show people who go to a a massage uh therapist or a massage practitioner tend to get more relief than people who go to uh to a chiropractor so please go to a massage therapist go to a uh to a physical therapist those are those are your science-based practitioners Chiropractic it started out of and it stayed directly in here's the thing it's it like there's no reason that anybody would have like from this guy from this one original guy who created

07:45it this guy who's a magnetic healer who came up with this somehow or another it slipped through the cracks yeah I mean that's what this is I mean they're running around calling themselves doctors so this guy said to me one of these guys who got angry at me i' I've gotten at least doz two dozen maybe angry messages from chiropractors but one of them the guy said does a podiatrist go to medical school well the they go to Podiatry school not only that they take a they have a medical residency that they have to do for three years they they they actually go to a hospital yes they have to work in a hospital and Podiatry is like an actual science of studying the foot and some of them are I could be wrong on this someone go ahead and please fact check me I believe some of them are podiatric surgeons like they have to know all the of the feet in order to treat actual

08:31foot conditions they are like these are part of the medical system chiropractic works kind of separately and on theories that uh that have never been proven to work they can't even do imaging like half I believe something like half of chiropractic clinics don't even have x-rays so how can they show you 100% for sure that what they're claiming is happening in your back isn't happening and I read I mean these are statistics that I found straight from Chiropractic websites from their organizations um and I I have this uh referenced in the article I just I'm blanking on which place had this one of the Chiropractic boards that does large scale surveys you know within Chiropractic uh about half there were a lot of places a lot of people I'm sure said to you but my chiropractor is good my chiropractor doesn't do the stuff and a lot of my friends said that too they said no

09:17they just crack my back they don't try to sell me any supplements about half of chiropractors do the stuff they do the extra the extraneous Wellness stuff so when if you have a if you're playing Russian roulette and you have a 50% chance of getting a uh or getting a bullet are you going to do that no like that's I don't want a 50% chance of having a Doctor Who's like well maybe your Cold's really a germ and you know maybe it's aola I don't want the doctor I want the guy who knows what he's talking about and this is what you're getting with Chiropractic you're getting a doctor and it's even if but it's not a doctor is this part of the problem is that they call themselves doctors I didn't know until this year or until checking in on this they don't go to medical school it's they go to they go to Chiropractic schools now one of the biggest Chiropractic schools in the

10:05country is uh Palmer Chiropractic College and that's named for Dee Palmer the guy who launched launched this Bevy of on us and he uh it's made after that guy named after the guy who claimed to heal the deaf guy and it's one of one of my now this is crazy so we're this is going to be a fun Story by fun I mean horrifying one of the guys I went to undergrad with uh went to Palmer Chiropractic College now the acceptance rate 100 % tuition $344,000 a year to learn how to crack baby spines now the guy I went to college with well you say baby spines some people do it some some of them do no it is a growing field in Chiropractic this one guy said this hilarious he said you're saying they crack baby spines it's a gentle manipulation like why yeah exactly here's the thing why why the are you manipulating babies there's no evidence whatsoever that helps babies

10:54the babies aren't complaining about back pain yeah no here here are the two things that I've heard one is um is that it's so gentle it wouldn't even bruise a tomato skin then why are you doing it why no the other thing they say is because it's yeah it's because they can they can charge parents that's why the other thing they say is well from doing that you because and this is this this infuriates me so much um they say from manipulating the spine because the spine has you know in within those bones they have the spinal column and the nerves control everything in the body and so from from stimulate stimulating the nerves you can give the infant all the immunity it needs to not need their vaccinations and that's when I get really oh yeah they claim this hold on hold on who's who's CLA you got to say be real specific who's claiming that by manipulating a baby they don't need

11:44vaccines it's the this is now this is I understand this is not all chiropractors but the American Chiropractic Association this is fairly well cited within the article the American Chiropractic Association they are generally anti-drug they want to use the least amount of inter uh inter medical interventions possible possible and chiropractors are not in Most states in this country they are not uh cleared to either prescribe or give vaccinations so if you can manage to get a family to come into you for pretty much all of their medical needs that increases your bottom line and it stops you know and and you can just say we can do everything for you but of course a chiropractor isn't cleared for vaccinations they don't they don't give vaccinations that's not their thing and I mean one of there's one state in this country I believe it was Wisconsin where they were trying to get chiropra to be

12:29able to give pre sports physicals and in in some cases the pre sports physical is the only time all year when a student will see a doctor so this is this is infuriating so like whenever a doctor and I mean this is like you can look at the ACs website there is put a couple links to it in the article where they say you know they're they're not very Prova and I mean their language on it is under the the a condition of Med Freedom of Choice Medical choice and it's like they don't say straight out vaccines don't work they're bad for you but they're kind of they're wishy-washy on it and they're not they don't say vaccines work and you should get them but a couple of chiropractors will try to say we don't need vaccines we can increase your immune system we can increase your immunity by you know pressing on the SP there's zero evidence zero evidence and I'm like do me a favor

13:15uh tell me which spine which part of the spine you press on to give a child immunity to measles and polio give me tell me give me the tighter test that child's tighters to show me that they're immune to polio now from you touching their godamn spine maybe I it's like how about this how about I'll punch you in the I'm not going to punch a chiropractor how about I just you know nod just give you a few little like to little pokes in the back and then you're going to be immune to small poox just just let me know how that works but I can't I can't get behind a system that has no evidence and tells me it's going to make children immune to deadly diseases okay here's the real question how did it get this far like how how did this guy who's a magnetic healer who had no background in medicine come up with this system and then have it spread all over the world it's such a good story isn't it

14:04people love a story that says that you can heal them without uh without taking dangerous drugs and at the time forget about dangerous drugs I mean even just just helping you with anything it's really it's partially because of when it came up because we only found out 50 years after this that uh that uh frontal lobotomies were a bad idea and that the lamide was going to kill babies uh so we were we were really bad at medicine when this came up and we're I mean we're way better at it now but we still don't have the answers to everything and that's kind of I don't want to say a failure of the medical system but it's just a sign of where we are now so think about the number of people who have sent us anecdotes uh saying you know I was in miserable pain and my chiropractor was the only thing that worked and it's like maybe you needed to get a you know get to physical

14:54therapy for longer term pain but these people that are still going to their chyros it means they're still in pain and they should go to a physical therapist for you know a couple months of therapy that will eventually strengthen their backs and take care of those issues and you know get a massage but they're going to their Cairo because medical has not said you know we don't have a tricorder that can scan you show the exact thing and say Here's the exact medicine drug and thing that will fix you it's kind of and I hate to use this term but it's out of the failures of the medical system that something like this has shown up so we're not perfect at medicine yet and that's why alternative medicine swoop in with well it's just a matter of innovation it's like there's a certain level that the medical community is at right now it's pretty staggering what they're capable

15:37of but it's still growing and learning and we're in a constant state of progress but what's shocking to me is how far this medical healer or magnetic healer quack idea got y I just thought it was based on something I mean I really did I've been going to a chiropractor for years or different chiropractor for years it's and one of them was like this guy used to go to in Hollywood he's like 140 bucks literally he would take care of you for like 10 minutes he would rub your back a little bit and massage a little bit then go and then he would pop it and then go oh we got it we got it and I'd be like okay and I would think all right man maybe I'll start feeling better now I've got a foam roller for 20 bucks that I can lend you it'll crack your back really well so well yeah um it's just it's just stunning to me that insurance companies pay for it and it's been around so long

16:30now how did how did that happen how are insurance companies paying for there was some lobbying and I don't think I put this into the article but there was a lot of lobbying from chiropractors in I believe the 70s that pushed the American Medical Association and uh and the insurance companies as a whole to kind of accept them as being medically uh part of the system and that that's part of why more and more insurance companies now will cover them and accept them and even though like most doctors won't uh like a lot of doctors won't uh refer you they'll kind of be like well you can look into Cairo like there's there's still from a lot of doctors push back uh but there's a little bit more coverage now it's because of a lot of lobbying in the 70s now if chiropractors do have U A Center a treatment center or whatever it is and they have a bunch of different

17:18methods that they employ this is not saying that those other methods might not give you some relief but the actual cracking of the necks and the cracking of the back there's virtually no evidence that that heals anything or stops any you promotes your immune system functioning better or anything like that on all these things that it's based on it's precisely like the big thing is that I mean they're if they were just claiming we can reduce your back pain if that was the only thing they claimed I probably wouldn't have written the article you know but what they're claiming is that they can fix all of your health by realigning these vertebral subluxations which have never never been proven to exist so like what are they doing when when your back pops what is actually happening it's like I I wish nitrogen being released or something I think it's just moving

18:08around air bubbles like I mean tiny little bits of Bubbles and yeah they are like they're I don't think realigning is the right word but you know they're they're doing they're they're moving around your back in a way that it kind of naturally moves because you can kind of move and twist and your back will pop but like they're doing some manipulation of things that kind of naturally happen to uh to a spine uh with you know with a tiny little bit I mean tiny bit of degeneration with age I think like I'm not exactly the right expert to explain uh this type of thing an osteopath would be a better person uh to explain this because there's uh there are people who are a little better at spinal manipulation than a chiropractor which is a do an osteopath so in this country we have MDS and dos and they both can practice medicine Dr ostop uh doctor of osteopathy I believe that's the correct

18:56term and my doctor is actually my uh Primary Care is an osteopath and he's uh given me a spinal manipulation once when my back was killing me and we had no idea what it was and it turned out I had a broken rib which was not a good time to do a spinal manipulation when you got a rib broken right on your spine uh but it was like he um the difference is an osteopath never claims that they're um they're cracking your back pancreas yeah exactly they're they're giving you uh they're giving you your vaccines they're doing you know they're going wow there's something wrong with your with your ovary we're going to send you to a gynecologist like they're they're doing all the things a doctor should do for your health and if your back is in pain they'll say do you want to try a manipulation they're not pushing that that's a part of their care and they try to do science-based uh you know uh

19:44manipulations for the potential help of uh of of uh back relief uh but they don't you know they don't want to do that longterm they do it minimally at least that's been my experience with it and it seems to be like it there still seems to be I'd say at best weak evidence that it helps with uh with back pain well the problem is they usually do it with other things it also have been shown to help with back pain like massage like like I said and also just rest in time yes rest ice anti-inflammatories you looking at all these different factors and well I went to a chiropractor and he helped me did he are you sure yeah and I mean I I think that I think it's funny the things that chiropractors add into it CU like one of the things that I went into in this uh in this article because we we we really like diving deep on some of the things that we investigate um and it's

20:32like I try I like I I'll admit I'm biased when I go in cuz I I go after a lot of uh kind of some of the naturally things and I'm not I'm not anti-natural like I I'm not 100% against like going weird homeopathic stuff it's funny we can we can go into that some of it's real right like garlic really is good for infections there's some stuff that's legit garlic good for your heart Ginger I love like when I have a stomach ache I'll go for ginger before I go for remedies at work it's there there are some herbal remedies that I'm like absolutely keep them in your in your cabinet I'm I'm not against them but I'm against people taking things without uh evidence and I think that's the thing like try try absolutely to look for the hard evidence uh before you waste your money and I think that's the thing that people have fallen into because they'll say oh it's natural it's better it's

21:17like is it cuz polio is natural and I don't think it's very good for you like but I know I know that's a straw man fully aware of it but I also think that people should should ask for evidence and you know never mind ask for it toand it before you give somebody your money and that's what people haven't done with chiropractors and that is a very good point and it's you know I I think people deserve evidence and that's and I think that's something that hasn't been out in the public sphere like there was an article I was trying to write a while ago um I forget the exact topic but one of my editors uh you know was sending it back to me for edit she's like I read the she uh her comment back was well I've been reading this a lot online a lot of people have been saying this I'm like a lot of people have been saying is not evidence that's the exact opposite of it like I'm like here I put in the

22:00peer review data on this that's a lazy editor I didn't work with her again she was a lot of people have been saying yeah you can't do that that's not that's and I mean this is this is why I like the editors I'm working with now quite a bit the problem with this whole Clinic thing though is that they don't have to have any sort of background in kinesiology or in physical therapy or in any of these things and so they incorporate all these other modalities all these other methods of healing you but they don't have to have a back ground and education in those things and they're calling themselves a doctor now there is there is one thing I've heard of and this isn't this is why I'd say don't go to a chiropractor because we don't know you don't know what you're going to walk into but I have heard uh a couple of cases of times this being the case where a chiropractor at first they

22:45go to school for physical therapy and then they find they can't open their own Clinic even if they've got like an MBA and a physical therapy background they're like how do I open my own clinic and they realize if they just go to school for Chiropractic they can do the physical therapy y work they want to and offer a spinal manipulation on the side now how long does it take to get a degree in chiropract like how it longes doctor three four years like it's I mean it's a lot of school but think about it what you learn I how to how to crack spines here's the thing though it's created by a guy who's a quack what the could they possibly be teaching you for four years uh I I do they do learn some Anatomy but it's like they also learn some you know along with it so I'm like I wonder and I mean this isn't I get it this isn't all chiropractors obviously but like I know

23:30the and it's hard to figure out which one you're going to walk into that's going to be a artist and not so like I I did want like this isn't this wasn't a point I was going to bring up in an article that was going to have a specific point of view but like I know there are some out there that say I you know I want to give people physical therapy I want to strengthen up their spine I want to get them out of here in less pain so that if they injure themselves again they know they can come back to me and trust me with their spine and also give them some relief while we're fixing them so you know this is a thing that happens but I don't think it's all the time it's I mean it's clearly not all the time so you know you're going to have some really moral people in every field and you're going to have some really up ones in every field like we were uh one of the

24:11things we touched on in the article uh were these very uh social media Savvy people and this is something that drives me crazy you have to hunt and Peck through their websites to find that they say that they're a chiropractor they just say doctor everywhere doctor and they're giving they're giving recipe ideas and they're giving and talking about the adrenal glands and the adrenal glands I don't they're not anywhere near close to the spine and this is a thing that they're talking about I'm like the adrenal glands they're part of what are they talking about manipulating the spine to help the adrenal glands they're talking about one of the things I talk about a lot is adrenal fatigue syndrome which has never been proven to be a thing it's not recognized as a as a disorder anywhere within the medical care system now you can have a couple different disorders of the adrenal gland

24:55you have uh Cushing syndrome um you have like there are a couple different things that can go wrong with your adrenal Glens there are little glands that sit on top of the kidneys uh but this is I mean the specialty I believe I hold on a second having a blonde moment on the words uh but like there's or on the uh sub specialty but the specialty for which you're going to study the adrenal lens isn't even a specialty that chiropractic has so it's like if you want to know about your if you're having issues with that like it's like the the things that chiropractors seem to harp on right now are a lot with uh Immunology are a lot with uh sorry just having a complete blond moment on this uh but there there are Specialties that chiropractors seem to harp on a lot lately and it seems to be the types of things that are very nebulous and very hard to uh to nail down when someone's

25:42having an issue with it and these are these are things that chiropractors just don't have the training in so essentially someone's putting up a health website and they're claiming to be a doctor and they're offering all this advice on diet and all these different things but when you get to what is their degree in they don't it's not a real doctor it's a chiropra and they're basically all they're the type of advice they're giving is take all these herbs eat uh you know eat an alkaline diet which is again um it's there's one of my favorite things with the alcaline diet is they're always like drink lemon water I'm like that's acidic which I might know from my chemistry degree yeah what is the premise of this alcaline diet cuz I remember people were pushing that a while back they were saying that you could cure cancer and just by having a diet that's alkaline instead of acidic and I was

26:32like what which is I mean like and that's the premise of it but it's like they here's the thing your your body's pH is really tightly controlled like your blood is between I think 7.35 and 7.55 uh different organ systems have a fairly tightly controlled pH um your urine can vary a little bit depending on what you've consumed but there's you know there's a tightly controlled pH within your body if you suddenly go um you know if suddenly you have a pH of 10 which is you know fairly alkaline you're they're your friends are your friends are going to miss you at your funeral hopefully um so that's that's what I got on that but like so if you have a high pH you're dead yeah I mean if if you're suddenly cuz you know that's a that's an alkaline pH if you're suddenly really really alkaline we're we're going to miss you um that's what would cause someone to be that alkaline uh drinking

27:23a bunch of lie I don't know like don't you I mean you're there's something really wrong with your ability to filter things out of your body if you're suddenly like that's just it's just not a thing that happens to a healthy human if you're all of a sudden really alkaline but this diet won't do it especially when the things that they're recommending are like lemons like and one of the things they say is oh well your body takes that acidic fruit and turns it alkaline I'm like go to school more where are they coming up with this stuff like is this just nonsense that someone's just repeating online and like and the things I say like the the diet they've designed is a fairly low calorie diet like it'll make you lose weight but it's not going to make you go alkaline and it's not going to fight cancer like it's well if anything the reduction in calories would probably be

28:12good because you lose some body fat probably have less inflammation and it's like yeah it's there are there have been shown to be you know links between lower uh lower body fat and and lower uh incidences of cancer which is you know that's a good thing losing weight uh if you're if you're over overweight and you're having medical problems from it overall good thing but there's no uh shown link between uh between this specific diet and a lower incidence of of cancer or any other disorders uh but it's just like it's a fat it's just one of those things do you remember when people were wearing those Holograms attached to a rubber band around their wrist and uh do you remember these stupid things do you remember him Jamie you remember him right yeah I think gwenneth P just got in trouble for selling them on her like same no offense qu it's I I might have I might have said some mean

29:04things about in my life there been a couple of things about her lately in her nutty website she takes you're supposed to wear like a rock inside your vagina isn't that one of those things I call them I call them rocks yeah rocks are hilarious I guess it would like strengthen you it's if you want to strengthen it just do kles around a dick that's my that that's my method works out well a dick a rock a good way to gowth palro wants to heal you with magic stickers Jesus Christ she's she need she's getting paid though I'll tell you that there's a lot of dummies out there that are s noming all the way to the ATM machine she has proof that sells way better than science I'm I do not have her her salary oh wait a minute you could rebalance the energy frequency I didn't know that hold on a second she's discovered something about stickers if you take these stickers and if they're

29:54made with the right material you just stick them on your body in the right place places and they in quotes rebalance the energy frequency in our bodies H they're made out of NASA spacit material and NASA said it was a load of BS but hold on a second I don't think the NASA's right gwenneth has been in a bunch of movies hold on stop stop scrolling she was an Iron Man science it says gwenneth potro's goop website a lifestyle business lifestyle which sells all things gwenth advertised these stickers are using NASA space material which presumably was the source of their magic healing properties Jesus Christ she's special the stickers are not made this is what NASA says they're not made of space suit material not that space soup material has healing properties in the first place it doesn't but the quote from the former NASA scientist Mark sh shellam sh Shellhammer

30:49shelmer shelmer sums it up uh he goes wow what a load of BS this is or that yeah okay she's obviously oh goop quickly updated its site now it doesn't claim anything about NASA SPAC suits and its stickers but it didn't dial back any of the magical healing claims here's what goop says now in an article called wearable stickers that promote healing in parenthesis really you human bodies operate at an ideal energetic frequency but everyday stress is an anxiety you're giving me stress you you can throw off our internal balance depleting our energy reserves and weakening our immune system I'm imagine thinking that you could put a sticker on you and it's going to heal you body Vib stickers oh my God they're called body Vibes come and pre-pro they come pre-programmed oh they're programming them I didn't know that to an ideal frequency allowing them to Target imbalances you

31:46you crook don't you have enough money Jesus Christ apparently the the residuals on the Iron Man movies just weren't enough for her God damn 60 bucks for a 10 holy 10 stickers for 60 bucks that's oh my God I I am in the wrong industry apparently I need to start selling some fancy stickers no you don't no you don't but look this is a very this is a very controversial subject right like anything that's not regulated by the FDA like I I'm a part of a in interest of full disclosure part of the company on it which is uh we sell supplements but the supplements that we sell we we control everything that we sell so we make sure that we do testing on it the supplements that we sell like this uh Alpha Brain did do two double blind Place o controlled studies at Boston Center for memory that showed increase in verbal memory increase in um there a bunch of different things uh what was the other

32:46one um there was uh reaction time but there's a whole there's actual scientific studies on neut Tropics they've been around for a long time I'm curious about them just cuz like I've I haven't looked into them enough and I'm I know they're kind of they're newish you know into the supplement market so like I kind of want to look into them and I don't know enough to comment they're essentially the building blocks for human neurotransmitters what your body uses the nutrients your body uses to make human neurotransmitters there's nothing wooow woo about it nothing crazy it's all backed by science but when we started putting them out there was a lot of people that were claiming you're selling snake oil so we had control these studies and we had to you know pay for them at the Boston Center for memory and put we also had to make sure that we put a uh full 100% money

33:31back guarantee on any of the supplements where you don't have to return them just say they didn't work for you we're trying to like make it as clean as possible this is stuff that I use I find benefit in it let's see you know like what people think about it and let's make sure that we have studies but when you sell things like stickers like there's no studies on stickers and what have pal said like when she was on Kimmel a few weeks ago and he was like so how does this work eventually just came out and said I don't know how any of this works it's like yeah cuz you're selling rocks for your well does she have somebody else that does it maybe and they're just unscrupulous and no she's a part of it she's she's a CEO and she's apparently in all the meetings for it she just busy reading it's reading scripts and look at this one look at this anti-anxiety unicorn skin at the beach

34:18beauty sleep wait a minute one of each Vibe one of the Vibes he at the beach chill it's a Vibe that's what they're pre-programmed they're chilled for for self love one of them is chilled for unicorn skin if it's for self love I I demand an orgasm within 3 minutes I don't think it works that way um yeah I don't think it get you feeling good about yourself it doesn't get you like rock rocked out but but these things are like you know it's it's really weird it's like I'm not a big fan of the government stepping in and you know regulating everything because I know there's a lot of supplements that actually do work and for them to be to get passed by the FDA have to go through these exhaustive tests they cost hundreds of thousands of dollars it's a huge thing it takes a long time it's and I mean here's the thing I think that like the reason I'm a fan of at least

35:08some amount of government regulation on supplements is to stop unscr very unscrupulous claims because especially with uh some of the supplement industry they there are claims that these are um that there are certain things on or sorry in a package and after you know some independent testing you'll find that some of the uh some packages don't have what they claim in there like some it was something like a third of supplement packages didn't have any of the ingredients in there or they had less of it and I'm like that's not that's not good for the consumer so I wish there was a way to regulate it a little bit better at least I just don't think it should be the government I think there should be like some sort of an independent company that works in uh a very scientific way where you know you can hire them to test your stuff and run these tests where you can show there's

36:01got to be some way to show that there's no collusion that there's no bribery that you know everything's above board but I don't know what the that would be I don't know how that would be I'm not sure how it would work with and I mean it's like I I know the FDA has issues I know that drug uh approval definitely has issues like there have been drugs that have been passed that have had issues but it's well they sell fentanyl that's all you need to know they sell Oxycontin and Fentanyl and people are prescribing that takes forever for people to get off and massive addiction rates it's things like fentel have some some very limited uh purposes like I've been put on fentanyl for uh pre-surgery before prgy no they put you on it just to put you out they're like let's get this chick high as I I remember about 30 seconds and I was told I threw up uh while I was

36:48under um and I don't remember yeah now I know that I can't have fentin all but it's that was they just put you on to put you out um but that's like that's one of very few uh ethical ation of of fenyl I mean it depends on like and I did my Master's thesis on prescription opiate abuse Trends and toxicology so this is a this is a sphere that I know pretty well uh but this is uh that's kind of one of the uh things with painkillers is that there's there are ethical prescribing practice with it there are ethical ways to manage uh uh patient use of it and then there are really horribly unethical ways that it can be prescribed and managed over time and this is this is something that the FDA hasn't managed manag well this is something that a lot of doctors haven't managed well and it's like we I mean we started this when we were when they were like let's go on a marketing campaign

37:35for oxyon and it just kept getting worse from there it was like there's there has to be a better way to manage what we're uh doing right now with it and it's not being done yet so yeah obviously this has nothing to do with Gwen palro or coup but I just think that there some sort of an independent company or some sort of an in I mean not I want I keep saying business but there's so many problems with doing that and there's also problems with having the government do it I just don't think they've been adequate so far and the FDA stepping in and regulating all vitamins and and making you know they wanted to do that for a while they wanted to call them neutraceuticals they wanted to um to have prescriptions for vitamins and things along those lines but the problem with that is I don't want to have to go to the doctor to get multivitamins but I do want to make sure that the

38:22multivitamins that I get are pure are safe or or not just safe but that what what you're asking for you looking for B12 I want to make sure I'm getting B12 well the other question is how much of a vitamin do you need and it's I think that people uh you know buy vitamins indiscriminately because we really don't like the average person doesn't need to take a multivitamin in the day if they're eating uh you know a healthy diet because you get pretty much what you need on a daily basis if you're not somebody with an absorption issue if you're not somebody with uh any like any dietary issues you're generally getting what you need out of your diet um I think people do if your diet is really healthy but most people do not have a really healthy diet most people are getting about what they need out of their diet like most people seriously in America it's I mean if we have some of

39:07the poorest diets ever people are just eating processed well no it's even if you go to the doctor and get average person I'm guessing you eat fairly healthy um it's but the average person if they go to the doctor to see if they're deficient on everything on anything they're not going to be deficient I've been deficient I've I've gone and gotten my blood work done several times find have deficiencies at night deficien and vitamin D no I I've been before but that was right when I was diagnosed with celiac disease so I was I I was deficient on a few things but you know that's you that's an issue with wheat and you have an issue absorbing food yeah so I mean now well now that I've been it's it was I was at the skinniest point in my life and then I stopped eating wheat and I gained weight so CU suddenly your your V ey kind of you know they they heal and you're

39:53you're able to absorb calories again I have a friend who's got a son who they was trying to figure out why he was so small like he just he couldn't eat and he was never hungry and he would eat and he would get sick and everything is miserable and wheat he's got a wheat um allergy he's got a corn allergy oh Jesus everything was just making him miserable poor little kid it's I mean I got quote unquote lucky I only got symptoms when I was an adult uh and it was you know it so you ate wheat all throughout your childhood years no problem no problem and I mean I was even overweight uh as as a kid so then when I was an adult suddenly horrible symptoms showed up up uh just how does that work what do they have an idea what what CA that aelia can show up or the symptoms of it can like you always have the underlying uh physiology or um and just all of a sudden symptoms can just show up out of

40:40so it's like lying dormant and then all a sudden it becomes active and I mean I kind of I had a bunch of health issues just kind of show up in my 20s and I mean I started I'm like all right I got to start taking care of myself started going to the gym ran a few marathons lost a lot of weight and like even when I was Suddenly at a healthy weight it was like I couldn't stop losing weight because my uh my my intestines just weren't absorbing anything and that's not a that's not a thing you see coming you're like I'm at a healthy wise and the stopping and it was was not good but you know eventually it was funny because the gluten Trend or the anti-gluten trend had already shown up and a doctor suggested to me well have you tried going gluten-free and I'm like oh that's a silly fad three months later diagnosed with celiac disease I'm like if I hadn't been so skeptical of everything I don't

41:24think gluten-free is a fat I don't think gluten is the best thing for your body I think that it's okay every now and then but I think that essentially what you're getting when you're eating processed grains is you're getting something your body is it's kind of alien your body doesn't exactly know what to do with it well there doesn't seem here's the thing tests keep showing there doesn't seem to be a problem with gluten if you don't have celiac disease and it's but what does that mean by a problem is it like for optimizing your health is it something that you should have in your diet all the time or is it something that I mean it really does convert to sugar it's everything converts to Sugar your body converts everything in some way shape or form into usable Fuel and the usable fuel is you know eventually glucose or nadph um there's everything in your body gets converted to sugar

42:09when youu but if you eat a piece of salmon or if you eat a bow of pasta is a very different reaction how your body absorbs these two things it's yes this is this is true because all calories aren't aren't the same they don't both get absorbed to Sugar but avoiding gluten and switching over to say uh you know rice uh isn't you know that's not going to change uh far all that much in your body in terms of what's in terms of the biochemical Mischief unless you have a gluten allergy like that's Aller sensitivities but there's there's also levels to that too right like there's some people where it's like minorly minorly irritating and there's some people that have extreme issues with it it's well here's at this point and this is why I always say at this point in our scientific knowledge because scientific knowledge can evolve and we can learn new things uh you know

42:57at one point the thing that started off the whole gluten Trend uh was a kind of poorly uh poorly designed study where they had a a small sample size of people and they designed it just to test you know gluten versus a non a diet without gluten and they came to the conclusion that about 20% of people just based on this very small study had a bad reaction to gluten now and well and these people came in saying they had stomach problems now these people it turned now they looked at it and said there's no there's no afterwards the scientist all sat back and said why were only about 1% of people having celiac disease and then all of a sudden 20% of people are running around like gluten making their dick flies off fly off this is there's something up here so they made a better design study and they took out common CA they did you know kind of double blind did a uh a better design study to say

43:47we're going to take out all these other causes of gastrointestinal distress and we're going to try to make the double blind and they figured out it was the fod maps it was they were these uh short chain oligosaccharides that can pull water into the gut and cause some gastrointestinal distress and it was really closer to between like 1 and about 5% of people that were having any issues with gluten now the problem is that what was causing that though uh the the gastrointestinal stress and the in the 1 to 5% yeah so 1% is celiac disease for sure 1% is that really what is across the board with people 1% is that's really high that is fairly high now here's the thing that that higher percent of people that two to five here's the question now they're still trying to figure out why some people seem to have an issue with gluten um now I could be wrong this this just off the

44:33top of my head it's what I remember from the study but I've had to cite it a few times so I think my knowledge is accurate uh feel free to fact check me out at home um but the um the thing with those extra percent they're trying to figure out why they might have an issue uh with gluten because they you know like wheat is you know you think of it is a carb heavy thing right and gluten is a protein uh so that other few percentage of people they're trying to figure out why the gluten uh does it cuz gluten is in a few other things it's in barley uh ra and Rye uh so what they figured out is that or this is the going Theory right now uh gluten can cause a small uh uh reaction in the stomach where you produce this protein called zulin that can cause an increase in inflammation this seems to be and this is what I this has only been one study that I've read on it it seems to be

45:22relatively new they're still looking into it so there's a chance that people might be in the 2 to 5% they can't handle it because of that um it could be another component of the wheat barley uh Rye that's causing it but gluten in and enough itself it's not you know it's unless you are one of those people that has a an actual reaction to it perfectly fine go on to have you know go have a sandwich so but you know if you want one but if you want one yeah I I you know I cut back my carbs pretty heavily over the last couple of years and I've had really good results with it yeah it's I mean if you're someone who's trying to build muscle you know it's not even just that I just think that just it's it eventually it becomes too much sugar it's too much sugar in your body if you're eating a a lot remember back when you used to have that food pyramid in the bottom of the food pyramid was all

46:06breads yes I mean you know I mean that's it's kind of interesting CU that's like still in like Dr Seuss books that I read to my kids it's like wow they haven't figured this out yet like you're not really supposed to eat that much bread and pasta it's not supposed to be the most thing it's and it's fun I think one of the funny parts of that is like is that back in the day when that was made I think slices of bread were much smaller I think I I I think that's part of it because I I just think people didn't know as much back then well I think that's part I think there are a few things that are going on with it one is that we're really bad at counting calories and we uh we were CH chatting a little bit before he showed up um is that there are uh they now have a way of tracking how many calories uh people take in a day uh through this drink that can I forget exactly how it works but

46:46you can take a drink and it will uh you know count the number of calories you've had in about the last 24 hours um and they found drink there's drink I forget I forget exactly how it works it's I'll find I'll shoot you the article after this but this was uh they it was God I need to find this article but it was they they could do this and they were tracking how registered dietitians versus uh you know Average Joe uh would you know could count because they were you know you know count down how many calories you had in a day uh a registered dietitian who you know really well trained on dietetic type stuff uh versus average person counting their calories the dietician was off by about 200 calories uh average person was off by about 500 in they were guessing about what they were I mean they were tring that's not too bad over you know several thousand which is what most people take

47:33in a day but think about it if you're trying to lose weight and you're the average person and you're off by 500 calories and that's how and you're supposed to you know in the course of a week to lose one pound you're supposed to have a 500 calorie caloric deficit there's your deficit it's not there anymore so people are are really bad at tracking their calories and they're really bad at knowing what a portion size is so one of the best ways I've seen from like the personal trainers that I that I confer with is weighing out your food it's much harder to make a mistake that is a good way another way is there's a bunch of companies I don't have any affiliation with any of them but there's a bunch of companies that make prepackaged meals that are healthy and they they'll tell you exactly what the portion sizes are and exactly how many calories are in and what the

48:16nutrients are in and are in that package and that's a good way to do it too so there's no guess work yeah and it's I here's one of the other things like I don't think carbs as you know in and of themselves are evil I think have to burn what you uh take in and you have to balance your carbs your fats your proteins uh and you'll be okay and it really depends on what you're doing for exercise and a lot of people overestimate how much they move under or or under yeah overestimate how much they move underestimate how much they eat uh and like I'm friends with a lot of people in the fitness Community a lot of uh weightlifters and depends on what they're doing if they're on a bulk they their calories will go up to 3,000 if they're on a cut they're like I'm on they're like I'm on poverty carbs right now so it's like 50 carbs over the course of you're talking about

48:56bodybuilding oh yeah it's there that's so unhealthy it's so crazy that we think of that as a healthy thing it's funny cuz like during the like the year when they're not training for a competition it looks fine and then when they're like six weeks out from a competition it's like they're like I have a cup of water a day I'm like how are you this is not good for you well it's not good for them during the time where they're cutting and shredding and that's what I'm talking about like when you see a bodybuilder on stage and they're shredded and they have zero body fat they're down to like probably like 3 or 4% or something like that it's so unhealthy it's like they're they're literally on Des door but they look amazing they're shredded you can see every last senu and fiber of their muscle but that's uh that's someone who's like in a really bad place their

49:40kidneys are like that close to passing to to going away it's not good it's definitely not good for your body when they're in that performance Zone it's so weird that that's like what we really enjoy looking at though the rest of the year though they eat and I mean it's my my trainer is is a is a bodybuilder and it's like what he has me on for uh for weight loss isn't that crazy it's about 1,600 calories a day um a fairly okay balance of proteins uh carbs and fats and it's like at first he had me on a much higher amount of carbs I'm like a bodybuilder and he's got you want a diet is he a dietitian um no but I've uh wait uh no but I have consulted with a dietitian too because I have these you know these are the people I consult with for my writing and they were like yeah that looks all right you're not you're not anything crazy and it's like because my height and weight that I started with

50:28at first he had me at 1,00 I'm like I'm not quite losing here uh he's like let's go down another couple hundred so it's you know and the way they started out with is always you know your weight times 10 and then they bust up the you know carbs proteins fats from there um and you know if you need to adjust go from you know go from there and it's like a started with lifting because I you know because I've screwed up my joint so badly from the amount of running I've done that I'm like all right I will try weightlifting um and it's been kind of fun I've enjoyed uh I've enjoyed learning how to De that's interesting like so you screwed your joints up from running but not from lifting weights lifting has been a little easier on my joints actually streng your joints maybe yeah it's I mean I have um it's I have a kind of a bit of a joint condition so they're a

51:10condition it's they they pop partway out of the socket and what's that from um it's a it's called you're hearing all of my medical stuff I apologize it's called ER stanlo syndrome do do you want to see it or no you can do it yeah I can pop my shoulder halfway out okay um so no most people when they stretch they stop like here right mine keep going whoa yeah but they've had like this one's had three seems like your shoulder's flexible yeah but I mean it's you had a bunch of dislocations if you can see it's popping a little bit right there but yeah it's like my hip pops partway out depending on I can't I can't really something that you can strengthen to keep it from happening yeah like the more weightlifting I do the less popping it does but it's been I mean this is way less bad than it was a few months ago before like you could visibly see the like you can still feel it but it's

51:58there's the problem with being hypermobile like that is you're uh you leave yourself open to a lot of different injuries from uh you know from like basic movement can make something snap and it's well I think this goes back to what we were talking about when it comes to people that have back issues and that one of the things that has been like super beneficial for me is exercising my back and yoga and uh doing a a bunch of different things stretching Y and making sure that my core and my spine are very strong and that's something that kind of gets ignored by uh a lot of people that have back issues it's like one of the reasons why you probably have a back issue whether it's a herniated disc or a bulging disc is that your back is not strong enough to sustain whatever load you're putting on it whatever exercise you're doing whatever movement you're doing that's

52:50causing it to pop out of place the issue is most likely that you are not strong enough and a lot of that comes from a sedentary lifestyle comes from sitting at a desk all the time comes from poor posture there's a a variety of different factors that are not addressed by chiropractors or by other people and if they are addressed by a chiropractor well that's one good thing that they're telling you I mean it it still doesn't take away from where this whole thing started from yeah and I mean it's not it's not always the case the back injuries come from that like sometimes it's just you did like your your disc was going to degenerate that was written into that was written into your life like you're it's my boyfriend did nothing to uh to screw up his back and just a disc started degenerating and he was a he was a rock climber and there was no uh known injury just it happened

53:35uh and you know like I'm but is it I mean how do you know that though when you're talking about someone having an issue in their disc is it from continual use is it because they're not stretching is it because they didn't have enough strength in the back I mean those are all really valid questions and it's like there's you you never know what like it's you never know what's going to be the cause of it beforehand that's why preventative medicine is hard but why I always say get to the gym andt some weights it will at least if if you're someone who is prone to having a back uh is issue because you know there are some people who are prone to it get you know what does that mean why would they be prone to it it's well in my case I have scoliosis as a part of the um as a part of stanos that's like that's why I say prone to it because you don't a lot of times prone to dis degeneration um it's

54:22why would someone be prone to that like that degenerative dis disease I don't know I don't know if that's um actually I I I'm not sure if that's that's a very disputed thing yeah I'm not I really don't know off the top of my head so I don't know if that's uh if that's something that um that you're like if that's written to your DNA or if that's something that you injure and it just gets worse well I think that's a lot of it I think that's what what I've been talking to people that work on people that have bulging discs and doctors that are I mean there's some new therapies they're doing for that now one of the things they're doing is they're injecting stem cells directly into the discs yeah it's very new doing it on some Fighters H yeah I'd love to see how that pans out yeah well they've got some really promising results apparently and so they've just started it within the

55:04last 6 to eight months yeah I mean like the the biggest issue I have is that I have a and I mean it's not a bad enough case of scoliosis uh where I need surgery or a back brace it's just enough to be inconvenient so it's like I'm my big thing I'm doing is all right if I can lift and keep my back strong it will stop me from having surgery eventually and back surgery is just almost never uh a good thing to hear because they always like when you fix something surgically there are just almost always complications especially with your back so I'm like if I can keep rods out of my back I'll be very happy well you know I've had some surgeries that were very effective I have knee reconstructions two both of my knees have been reconstructed and it turned out great but I have had friends that have had some back issues especially fusions oh that have been a big big nightmare yeah

55:50you know that's that's what I'd probably end up with cuz like middle of my back it just kind of goes and I'm like this is not something do yoga um I've I've been told it's I love yoga uh and I've been told it's not good for people with L sta so I'm like I who you been told that by uh my uh my rheumatologist and it's like that's like but I I there are still some yoga moves I do just uh at the end of my workout because they feel they feel great to stretch out my back and they feel like they strengthen my core quite a bit well why do they say it's bad for you because of how like because of how hypermobile I am like it's I'll do downward dog and it doesn't even feel like it stretches me because I'm hyper because I'm so flexy to start with that doesn't make any sense but you're still strengthening all those Muses that support your spine why would that be bad I I got nothing I you

56:38can deadlift and you can't do yoga that SS ridiculous that doesn't make any sense at all welcome to a really weird disorder it's but is that what it is or is it doctors that don't really exactly know what the they're talking about because there's a lot of doctors you get injured and they're like well you got to stop doing anything it's and it's a thing where it's like Eller stanless is a weirdo disorder like you're basically your col Collen is not able to heal itself or stay kind of in shape uh as it used to or but it's okay to deadlift it's deadlift is been fine like I don't I got and it's partially you know you're um it's partially that you're not uh um stretching your your um strengthening or you're I don't know how El to phrase it you're not you're not stretching your body into weird positions you're um you're tensing everything there's a lot of yoga that's not stretching it's

57:22strengthening like when you're you know you're standing like there's bunch of stretches but obviously there's a bunch of uh things that do stretch your body out but there's a bunch of things that are just strengthening exercise no it's like here's thing you have an A you have a really good point and I don't it's this is just what I've been told from a doctor who in in all honesty I don't know how well he knows ell stanless because it's a rare disorder yeah well I think doctors like to say don't do that it's a big thing like when you've something injured don't do that and it's weird because the things they've told me to do seem so much more uh intense than yoga like what um it's I mean I've been told go ahead and bike go ahead and uh and and deadlift go ahead and and for sake they've told me I can rock climb which is a thing like that's one of my other uh

58:11exercise e things but yoga they've said as off limits and it's they know yoga I mean this is the problem like when people say don't do yoga I always think they think of somebody's like bending over and touching their back of their head onto their feet I think the reason is because they know how flexible I started at so they think I'm going to pull something out more because of how like how much I'll uh push the condition that's already there and I think that's the the concern see the problem with someone saying don't do yoga is like Well yoga encompasses a tremendous amount of different movements oh yeah and it's very it's I find it really strengthening like and I was surprised cuz like I used to I used to be kind of that Runner chick who was like I don't have time for yoga it's boring and then I started trying it um of all people my boyfriend T dragged me to a yoga class

58:53with him and I I left and I'm like I am destroyed that was the hardest thing I've ever done it's very hard like oh my God my arms were dead afterwards yeah it's very hard now what made you decide to write this Chiropractic article and what's been the feedback from it it's oh god um so my like we my my editor and this is the editor that I worked with at at Gawker at Cosmo and now she's you know at at the outline and I love writing there uh and we had talked about doing one on cyos for agis and we got to the outline and it was like what do we what do we have on the table for next month she's like want to do chyros I'm like like yes I do well what did what was your thoughts on it before you wrote the article before I wrote the article I knew that the guy who I I knew that a lot of chyros did a lot of crazy things I knew they adjusted infants that they had claim I knew about the vertebral

59:41sublation Theory and that that was um and I knew that a lot of them on social media were crazy like one of the people I reported on was Billy deas uh and he um like he thinks Chemtrails are real he's he's a he's a whole cluster of um and he um no vaccinations oh my God like it's some of the some of the sh like if you he's a chemtrail guy huh that's if you're bored go if you're bored go for like go for 10 minutes and read up on Billy deas he's fun um and it's just he's and it's funny because I was not I'll get into that in a minute but like we um I learned a lot doing this because I didn't realize that uh DD Palmer the guy who invented it he he got most of his information from doing seances with a dead doctor that blew my mind I'm like I had to I'm like I I know it's late and I'm a little high right now but I had to have hallucinated that like you know read it again the

60:34next morning I'm like nope that's for real like it was and nobody in Chiropractic questions this what do when they go to actual you were telling me this before the the show and I stopped you I said let's talk about this during the show when you said you've talked to chiropractors that were in the middle of chiropractic school and they read about this stuff and they were like what in the it's sort of like that did you ever see going clear that Scientology documentary oh that was a good one yeah but like uh when hagus gets to a certain stage of the Scientology where they give him the written notes by elron Hubbert and he's like what in the is this and you're $300,000 in and you can't leave so I got two emails from chiropractors and I it's like I couldn't you know put their names out publicly uh but I got two emails from chiropractors and I checked in and I'm like these are

61:20indeed chiropractors I went to their websites they were absolutely on the level um that said they went to chiropractic school and partway through they realized it was all uh one of them even said they wouldn't refer people to a chiropractor like it was nutty and one of the guys um he sent me to a forum uh for like in which chiropractors about the field of Chiropractic what are they say it's they were like and they were like which part of this is do you guys believe in the vertebral sublation Theory and they're like no subluxations don't exist like you know if you want to do this ethically just you know take people in who have injuries try do some physical therapy get them stronger and get them out in as few sessions as you can so they're essentially like unlicensed physical therapist yeah and like it's funny cuz I'll occasionally pass by a chiropractic clinic where I see them

62:06saying back injuries work injuries um you know sports physical therapy and I'm like okay if I ever wanted to go to a chiropractor because I'd lost my mind and couldn't find a physical therapist that's the type I would go to but you know if you ever see them advertising magic crystals and Aura healing run run like this is there a few of them out there and I looked at one of the guy websites who emailed me and there was an FAQ it's like do you have to keep coming back forever no we try to get you out in as few sessions as possible I'm like oh I have hope but like there's there's a woman who but still like the the basis of it is so it's like even if you're trying to get me out as few session as possible you're still like but there was a it's funny there's a woman uh her name is uh Brit Murray Hermes she was uh she went to school to be a naturopath and she graduated became

62:54a naturopath and she real realized after a short period of time that it was all like naturopathic doctor and she's like we can't actually treat people we have to send people to real doctors the advice we're giving is all based on misdirection uh and complete and I I I am so uh in awe of the fact that she went through this she like and these people what one of the things they said was you know I was in all this debt I figured just you know I'm like Paul haggus you know I'm already here may as well keep going Brit said you know it doesn't matter I realized I was in a profession based on I had to leave and you did have some people that you talked to that were chiropractors that were in the middle of it and they realized it was and they had to stay they stayed because like what the do I do I have to get my money back for my student loans and I'm like you know what you could have

63:42gone like you weren't you can get like I mean I say this to someone who got went into a lot of debt for my real degree go and get another degree if you're smart enough to have gotten at least your undergrad before you went to Palmer Chiropractic have to have an undergrad before you go to Palmer Chiropractic I believe so given that it's a doctorate program now one of the guys that I went to undergrad with now he was he was smart he had a biology degree and he was there on scholarship he was one of the smarter kids in the bio program like there was there was he could have gotten a real uh doctorate if he wanted he went to Palmer um you know same school as some of the uh cyos in this article and it was funny like one of my editor that I worked with on this piece asked me so the doctors that you're concentrating on on this piece are they the exception to the norm is

64:28this how regular chiropractors work I'm like let me go look at my friend from colleges uh little Chiropractic page and I looked he adjusts infants he claims that he can stop bed wedding from adjusting a seven-year-old I'm like oh my God I'm like this is and like I I'm sitting here going my God like this this guy that I went to school with who seemed you he was smart he was a like this is I was I was kind of like and I wasn't it was hard to be mad I was just disappointed in this person are they just stuck in this system I mean is that what it is there like a bunch of people that are also doing the same thing and they just kind of get caught up in the momentum of this idea I think they hear it from a bunch of people who they think are experts like their teachers and they're they're going no this is accepted so we're going to take it it's like you know what if you like if I saw

65:13people in science like because I I promote a lot of things you know we might disagree on but you know I promote a lot of ideas in science that I've seen the evidence for and I've seen a lot of it like what would we disagree on um you know some dietary things I would guess like because you know we can we can hash them like what are I don't know what are your thoughts on GMOs I think genetically modified foods is apparently almost everything that you buy at the supermarket okay we would we we agree on that then probably tomato you buy every orange if you look at a piece of corn oh it's organic that is genetically modified it's been modified for a hundred years you're going to make me cry tears of happiness I've talked I had Kevin Fon before I was I was so happy you had him on because he's never in California brought he we went we don't up for dinner that night he takes a lot

65:57of because Monsanto has funded some of the studies that they've done but the studies are real and the studies have I mean you you can see the results they're not manipulated yeah Kevin it's well actually you know they funded his communication program so that he can come out and do things like this and they they never funded any of his research that's right you're right I misspoke no no it's fine it's but you know what here's a and this is what where he got a lot of was um was that he said I have nothing to do with Monsanto um and like I I think if he just said you know what they fund my communication program but they don't have anything to do with my research nobody would have uh I think people still would have been mad but I think people would have been far less mad and I feel so bad that he went through everything with that because there was tricky if you do anything with Monsanto

66:43It's Tricky yeah I mean I just took a tour there and I got hate mail yeah like and it's I mean we were so careful cuz I was out there for other business um and they were like oh you're going to be out in in Missouri come have a tour like they didn't pay is it the Death Star it's oh and I had so much fun like it was there was they have a lot of really cool tech there and if if you were ever in the area they'd gladly show you around so they're they're very they were nice to me it was funny one of the one of the rumors that I heard about that was they only have organic food in the cafeteria I'm like I'm taking I'm taking my camera around and taking pictures of everything the word organic is such a weird word too it's like what's organic and what's not now it's like it's it's a very weird definition organic uses pesticides and that's something I think people see yeah absolutely and I mean I

67:28I thought that was the whole point of organic that you don't use pesticides now I'm sure there are some organic farmers that don't use any let's let's Google this what defines organic food let's find out what is the accepted definition of organic food do you want to hear it from me and then from from Google to see if I'm accurate all right so Organic Food Works by certain farming stand or agricultural standards and they can use certain pesticides in most cases these pesticides Es are derived from natural sources um not always but most of the time and some of these pesticides include pesticides like rotenone and the pyth rooms and also if you're familiar with BT corn um the BT uh toxin is also used in organic farming for because it's a naturally occurring uh toxin it can be used and sprayed topically on organic uh produce so a lot of these uh the things

68:21that we think of as just conventional farming practices definitely use in organic farming it doesn't make it any better or worse um it just in a lot of cases it's a little more expensive partially because of the certification process and partially because it uses older farming techniques that need you know a little more land that type of stuff it also uses uh till farming practices that you know digs up the ground a bit more and can release a little more CO2 so in general I tend to oh here we go here we go simply stated organic produce or other ingredients are grown without the use of pesticides synthetic fertilizer excuse me hold on sew which sludge genetically modified organisms or ionizing radiation animals that produce meat poultry eggs and dairy products do not take antibiotics or growth hormones the US hold on sorry the USDA National organic program defines

69:11organic as follows organic food is produced by farmers who emphasize the use of renewable resources and the conservation of soil and water to enhance Environmental Quality for future Generations organic meat poultry and eggs and dairy products are made from animal that are given no antibiotics or growth hormones organic food is produced without using most conventional pesticides here we go fertilizers made with synthetic ingredients or sewage sludge bioengineering or ionizing radiation before a product can be labeled organic in quotes a government approved certifier inspects the farm where the food is grown to make sure the farmer is following all the rules necessary to meet USDA organic standards now the one thing on there that I'll disagree with with their first par as they say without the use of pesticides and the second paragraph uh it says organic food is produced without

70:01using most conventional pesticides you see that slight little slide of hand because well one of them is theirs and the other one is USDA exact little slight of hand there it's and I mean uh if you if if I may ask would you would you like to Google well let well hold on a second let's Google what pesticides can be used and still make it organic that's exactly what I was going to request yeah it's uh Organic pesticides approved for use in the US here we go now what what are the fears of pesticides right people were worried about toxins getting into their food getting into their body and cancer I mean I understand that fear partially because I I went through it quite a bit like when I got sick a few years ago like my first symptom wasn't celiac disease it wasn't my joints popping out I got the worst headache of my life one day and I never went away like that

70:55that'll make you scared to death of everything around you like I went organic I went uh vegan I went I I'd cut everything out of my diet cuz I was scared that you know like you get you feel like you're getting stabbed in the eye constantly you're going to cut everything out of your diet and this happened all at once um one day wore and I was working and um at the time I wasn't working in the pesticide lab yet I was working in a drug analysis lab you worried that that was what was going on Som you absorb some of it or something I was well it was I was um the thing that I was worried because I at the time I was I was there was much more sbab than there is here today I was there was much more of me than there is here today I was um I'm 5'9 and I at the time weighed almost 250 lbs I I needed to lose a little of me but it was like all right I'm eating shitty food I should probably

71:42try eating healthier but I mean never mind just more salads I'm like I went organic I went I just cut everything out of my diet so there was a bunch issues it wasn't it was dietary as well I mean yeah like I cut a lot of things out started working out everything but you know what I still needed medication cuz it turned out there was just um a uh it was just I had and we figured out the headache was linked into the yell stanow syndrome and there some to to clarify everything some people when they have one autoimmune they can tend to Cluster so there's that's I I I was lucky caller 1 million um but that was that was the thing with it but I tried you know I looked into this and I felt for all of it like so all of the the pesticides are killing you it's the toxins so I mean understand the fear of the people who were like I need to cut toxins out of my diet do is there any foundation in truth

72:33I mean nothing like pesticides are not bad for you well no pesticide here's the thing there is a little bit of truth that sells the LIE is what I will give this because I you know I used to work with bulk quantities of pesticides at my last lab and that was kind of what sealed the deal for me that these when they're in your food are not going to hurt you uh because the amount of testing we had to go through the amount of Regulation I think regulation in this case is a good thing because it will stop a bad pesticide uh for making it to Market and I I want that regulation there because I eat the food too I I don't want anyone's child to ever get hurt from something that that me or another like I don't work there anymore but you know that that I had any uh work in getting on the market I I don't ever want that to be the case of um but once upon a time the pesticides we had on the

73:20market were much less targeted uh to hurting the weeds and could hurt people too like our arsenicals uh sulfuric acid those were early pesticides Paris green totally toxic especially to uh to the farmers and to the even to the farm equipment the stuff we have now far less toxic and I mean people when you say far less though is it toxic it's I mean I'm going to qualify this answer and I mean I'm not I'm not qualifying it to back off from it but everything is toxic in some dosage like water drink too much water will kill you but I mean so Roundup is one that people are really scared of and it's one that a lot of people know about there is a great uh graph on on this showing how less toxic it is than the than the pesticides it replaced because we weren't we didn't go from using no pesticide to using Roundup um and I know someone's going to correct me saying

74:07it's an herbicide but um herbicide is pesticide is the blanket uh term for all things that kill uh stuff in farming um so before um uh before Roundup I believe the one we used was cyanazine I could be wrong on this um but the one we used before Roundup was in terms of the 50 the lethal dose for about 50% of the population it was 10 times higher than Roundup and now we barely sell any of it so right but is the issue just lethal dose or is the issue having some sort of toxicity that affects your body creates cancer right it's and I understand that's a question that that people are you know keep coming back to and part of the reason that people are suspicious of it is because of its use with the GMO and the these things go through hundreds of tests and years of testing and because of the suspicion with Roundup it's gone through continual testing like they've tested to see if it uh if it

75:00accumulates in breast milk it does not um they've tested tested to see if it causes cancer doesn't seem to um and they've tried they've used it at higher doses um but they've done it with mice and WRA they've they've tested in humans and it's been on the market for 30 years how do you test it in humans hey dude I'm going to see if I can give you cancer but I mean like it's been in the population or it's been used now for I believe 25 years and there doesn't seem to be the only the only apparent increase in cancer is because we're living longer now and when you have any population that lives longer you have increased incidences of cancer like we're not dying from polio anymore so we're dying from something like unfortunately we're not going to live forever so yeah but so um there's but this toxicity issue with when it comes to Roundup or when it comes to any sort of pesticide when

75:48you're talking about herbicides herbicides are what kills the plants right kills weeds pesticides kills bugs right P pesticides are it's the blanket term insecticide kills but so pesticides the the whole blanket term yeah yeah okay so what is what's the most controversial is it Roundup Roundup is controversial and I think the reason that it became controversial is because people heard all right you have to genetically modify the plant so that the Roundup doesn't kill the plant and it's this whole thing just to make money for Monsanto and how dare you make money um and that's I think that was why people got mad was because of the genetic modification Link in with Roundup um and it's you know it's a new technology or you know it's it's one of a it's a newer technology and it kind of made people a little aware of farming for the first time and like I go to farming

76:38conferences a lot of times to talk about how to communicate agriculture um and I'll sit down and ask farmers you know what do you plant why are you planting it what do you think of GMOs do you use Roundup and do you buy from people other than do you buy from Monsanto and do you buy from people other than Monsanto that handful of questions will tell me well I mean if I I wish I had more videos of this but like there's there's a video at some point on my site uh with two farmers who buy from Monsanto and buy from other companies uh and one of the reasons I asked that is because there's a rumor on the internet that if you buy from Monsanto you can only buy from Monsanto just not true uh that you know every genetically modified crop is uh is is you know just is made to be round up ready again not true uh that you know that people are you know are being um that that people are dying of cancer

77:30from just being a round round up and recently they found that one of the reports uh that went through the IC the canc the place that declares things cancerous you know on their you know group uh one two uh uh 2 A2B um cancer uh classifications one of the reports was falsified uh that declared Roundup uh cancerous now we also have to falsified by who uh by the person who was I have to hunt down this report uh but the person who was trying to say Roundup is cancerous why would they do that because of a little bit of Suspicion of Roundup because it's been people have kicked around that it's causing cancer or you know that you're spleen to turn radioactive for you know forever and it's so is this like a Chemtrails type thing becomes a one of the things that people talk about in terms of conspiracy theories it gets put into the public sphere so much that people start to

78:20believe it and here's the thing if I saw firm evidence that round up had caused issues I would say right away just get rid of it take it off the market and I keep on not seeing firm evidence of it like one of there there was a study there's this group moms across uh or moms Across America um and it's I take I always get my scientific information from Mom groups on the internet um but this group uh decided to do a breast milk study to see if Roundup accumulated in breast milk and the way the study was done was they just had women indiscriminately send in containers of breast milk uh to to them and they declared like the amount of Roundup to be ridiculously high in the breast milk and I'm like did they just tell women to spray like pump bottles like of uh of Roundup into these containers and then test it but it turned out and this is just from knowing how analytical techniques work like I

79:14used to design the techniques by which we extracted uh you know Target pesticides from a matrix and you know analyze them on our on our big overpriced uh Machinery but they a a woman who was a breast milk uh researcher out of uh the University of Washington was like this doesn't seem right so she designed an experiment to uh to test if Roundup was accumulating in breast milk and she had it verified by an out by an independent lab um and it and they tested women specifically who worked in agriculture and she had their breast milk tested specifically on days where they were spraying Roundup and there was nothing found yeah but that's someone who's not necessarily eating the food that's someone who's working with the food or with Roundup right it's and you would expect that if it was being sprayed well think about it this way round that the issue though not

80:00to interrupt you but the issue is people eating it it's well think about it this way if it's in the food supply um wouldn't they be eating it as well I don't know I don't know what their diet is like if you're if you're getting it from people's breast milk and those people say there's Roundup in my breast milk and I've been eating genetically modified crops it's well the other question is if these PE are the people that are following uh moms Across America and their whole thing is that Roundup is the devil so you think they're falsifying evidence I think that it was not a well-controlled experiment and it would be interesting to see um to see how um the experiment would come out um if the person who runs moms Across America Zen Honeycut would work would how it would look if Zen were to look in on every step of the process with uh Shelley McGuire Dr Shelley McGuire to

80:48see that uh you know these people ate food that should have been sprayed with Roundup uh and worked in the field and then at the end uh to see if their breast milk came out with nothing in it so I think don't you don't you think that there' be more likely to be some sort of conspiratorial collusion with people that actually work in farms that use Roundup rather than someone who's just checking the their breast milk like wouldn't you think that like if someone's trying to prove that Roundup isn't showing up in breast milk and you've got a bunch of people that they living relies on using Roundup well the Farm Workers themselves they'd want to be safe right maybe and I say that as someone who's worked at a pesticide company and when I worked there I mean I was I was just an analytical chemist I'm not someone who had any investment in keeping that company safe from being

81:38yelled at I wanted to be safe from the stuff I was working with right but I found it weird that you feel like there's some sort of conspiracy with these moms that are checking their breast milk but you don't think there might possibly be some Shenanigans involved in the people that actually need Roundup to make a living it's no I understand what you're saying for sure but part of the reason why I think that uh Dr Maguire would have uh conducted a better study was number one in independently verified uh number two knows how to do collection uh evidence or not evidence uh specimen collection accurately and number three monitored and independently uh verified from an outside lab so it's like we don't have and when uh when moms Across America was asked uh to show their data and how they collected the samples they didn't give they weren't willing to to share uh

82:28their all of their data on how specimen collection uh was was what was their excuse for not sharing that I I don't recall off the top of my head but they weren't like it's it seems suspicious to me that they weren't willing to disclose that that's very susp I mean when you're when you do an experiment everything and I mean I used to work under glp standards which basically you throw out a glove you have to write it down and that's that's part of the standards on how you get you know a chemical into uh into use in in agriculture is you really have to be careful and and forthcoming on how you do your work which was the amount of pesticides that they found in breast milk uniform it's I I believe they didn't find I don't I think they were only testing for Roundup uh and they found there to be they they didn't find there to be even Trace Amounts which I I was kind of surprised at I

83:16would have expected something no I mean the moms Across America stuff they found a lot yeah but was it uniform was did everybody have like a similar amount no they the amounts varied and they were they were so high it was like it was almost like somebody dripped some in there yeah it was suspicious and that's why I was like I don't like that was why I didn't buy it the other thing is they used a technique uh an analytical technique that was used for water and that's why I'm like this is not like not all techniques used for all work for all chemical matrices so that's another reason why you know a different lab uh was probably better equipped to handle it one specifically that analyzes breast milk um so I think like the other thing is you know that the other lab uh the other lab kind of had a bias going in because their whole thing is how Roundup is bad so a lab that's like I just want

84:04to know if you know moms are being harmed if there's breast if there's something in the in the breast milk that seems like a a lab that you know went in just wanting to know the other lab went in saying I hate Roundup so if you know I would have if if Roundup had been found in uh in the test that Dr Maguire's lab had done I would have happily accepted those results because it you know it almost wouldn't it would have surprised me not in the least if if it had been found but I was kind of I was kind of glad that there was nothing there because it means that you know uh babies aren't getting a concentrated dose of this uh just because you know you don't want you know extraneous chemicals going into the food supply so were they only testing people that worked in these Farms is that was that the idea with the second test I think they did I I don't remember off the top

84:50of my head but I know one of the people one of the groups they did test were women on testing days but think about it this way they're not just spraying it they're also you know possibly eating food that's been uh that's had it on there yeah that's possibly I would be more interested in seeing it 100% sure that these people were eating food that have been sprayed with Roundup and that doesn't make sense to me that they didn't do that it's I'm you know I I'd have to I want to have a look at the study again myself just to be just to be sure of what the what the conditions were before I'm curious about both tests it's have I have a look um we can have a a quick peek uh after it for Dr Shel Maguire uh breast milk Roundup study yeah the whole thing seems a little weird to me it's it's weird that one group tests High one group test not at all it's it is I'm going to say it is

85:38easy to screw up a study uh using um if you're not sure the parameters you're supposed to use in an analytical uh in in a chemical analysis uh thing because you can have interfering species that come up with the same Peaks at the same time uh so I'm the other thing is like I said we the biggest thing is we don't know the collection parameters uh for the one that Mom Across America did so they won't tell us yeah I mean it's the other thing is uh Dr McGuire was doing it through a university and she could have been in she could have been in a lot of trouble if she'd uh falsified uh or data or done uh or done a test that was purposefully misleading right so that's what are the pesticides did you Google the pesticides that are acceptable there's a from the you put them up uh there there's a long list somewhere but the uh I had it some here it's on the USA or usda.gov

86:34website it just it's like a the standards of what they use to put stuff on and off of it okay and there are uh organic standards that allow some substances but they're mostly trying to get out synthetic substances however there are also some synthetic substances that are allowed to Y interesting and this is to label something organic right and then there's a board that votes on it from time to time if somebody wants to bring something up and disagree that it shouldn't be on that list isn't that weird though I mean most people think you say organic most people think there's no pesticides most people think you're just growing plants yep and that's it's and I mean they they sell that so well don't they it's it's for instance fermon fermon feromon oh feromon not fermon pheromones have long been used as effective non toxic ways to confuse insects that might otherwise infest

87:30organic crops especially fruit so they put some certain smells to freak bugs out likewise vaccines for animals are important disease prevention tools against many infectious diseases blah blah blah especially since antibiotic therapy is prohibited in livestock I'm picturing an antivaxer staying away from organic produce because they vaccinated it against bees well you could always grow your own food folks you know know and not put anything on it but I think large scale domestic agriculture if you're talking about these gigantic Fields nothing could be less natural it's not normal to have a thousand acres of corn it just doesn't exist in the wild and when you do that you're going to run into a lot of problems I always go back to the argument of nothing we're doing is natural anyway we're we're sitting in a in an air conditioned studio in in California that we we'd

88:19probably be we'd be dead with a lot of the things that we we don't have that's that's you know how about food there's no food around here where you growing food you know no one's growing food anywhere near us there's there's nothing that we enjoy that's that's natural anymore ice cream's not natural and it's godamn delicious you got to get a freezer how do you get a freezer it's like I I'm like you want natural bear attacks asteroids well I think those little sticker things that come out of trees those are all natural I thought you were going to say stickers like goopti those goopsquad found something on the company that made those stickers I was going to bring this up a second ago I've went to their website and it's a they have this thing called a digestive solution energy card oh Jesus love for you read Christ ptro digestive solution energy card what in the is this now look at this you

89:14can now in all caps bold letters boost your body energy signature all C all bold by simply placing this dig I estive solution TM energy card under your food plate holy and the beverage of your choice and receive energy from the card instantly you the energy card has a magnetic strip embedded in the back that holds digitally enhanced information that once your food or beverage comes in contact with it the energy is delivered immediately to the food and beverage thereby boosting the energy to your food to maximize the nutrition you consume you criminals should be in jail I you guys are monsters G of palra just broke my brain look at this the digestive energy card digestive solution energy card is an energetically enhanced prod what yeah that's what what the hold on a second look at that look at that sentence the digestive energy the digestive solution

90:15energy card is an energetically enhanced products it's English our Engineers have achieved the correct ratio response of frequency signatures through a technology that matches the same energy you receive from the nutrients you get from the food you eat and drink you know this guy's wearing to shoes when he wrote this right we consume food it converts into chemical energy which provides the nutritional needs for energy and growth this connection is defined by the laws of thermodynamics that requires all humans to burn food for energy you guys are what is the name of this company this is a alpha biocentric I no no coner warm lovely places these people are that's a vagina it's totally different thing uh suggested retail price $79 oh my God the card is guaranteed for two years it looks like a credit card for anybody that's just listening it is a credit card I mean

91:13it's 100% Bullit room key basically God damn how the does someone get away with this this is horrible I I have no good words you just imagine the idea that you you could put a card under your food it makes your food better like I I'm trying to figure out cuz they're saying it energetically enhances it does this mean it adds calories to it or does I it's add nutrient nutrients whatever thermodynamics I they they keep using these words I don't think they know what they mean yeah well there's a lot of people that like to use those sciency words right it's like chiropractors yeah subluxation Su they always say that I remember them saying that all the time too one doctor adjusted me 5 minutes right 140 bucks then he goes make sure you drink a lot of water I'm like why to was the taste out of my mouth you you didn't do anything this is crazy wash the down yeah wash the goes goes better with

92:08now what has the response been other I mean you must have gotten a lot of hate a lot of swearing oh God Twitter Twitter was an angry it's I'm still getting angry tweets like people that use it or from chiropractors themselves fewer chiropractor some chiropractors and a lot of people who who uh love Chiropractic and are mad at me because I think people think I'm calling them stupid for using Chiropractic but I'm like no you got you you it's not stupid they got me too they got a lot of us and I mean it's like I would basically be calling half my fan base uh stupid if if that were the case and I'm not and I I felt kind of bad because a good friend of mine like she like after she gave birth she had like a severe enough injury that she could barely walk and a chiropractor basically from massage ing the area got her up and walking and she's like and the thing she said to me

92:58was I'm tired of being called a leming I'm like I never you number one I never insulted people who used Chiropractic and number two I definitely didn't use those two words and I think people got the impression that I was calling everyone who used chiropractors dumb and it's like that's never the point of my writing it's like you're not the for falling for this they're the for selling it to you I don't even know if a lot of them are cuz I don't know if a lot of them have even looked into this you know I've talked to some chiropractors about this stuff that's been going on over the last couple weeks since your article and since I did my podcast and we've talked about it several times I just don't think they understand the origins of this or that it's or that the Seth selling isn't considered scientifically valid right if you're a kid and you're getting out of high school and you're

93:44going into college and you know you want to get involved in something therapeutic and chiropractic medicine seems like a good thing and you start going to chiropractic school like you might not even know and I I really do sympathize with a lot of chiropractors who are out there that that have emailed me like hey man like what you're saying could potentially destroy my business I understand and I sympathize but you've got to understand that if I knew about this and I didn't talk about it that would be more horrible I I have a responsibility if I find something out like this like the guy who invented is a Quack and a magnetic healer you're going tool there's a responsibility that you have to say something about that and I just think people are thinking about themselves they're thinking about you know hey I've got bills and hey I've got this and I've got a practice and I've got find another

94:38job yeah I I don't want to be the guy that tells you what to do but you can't get upset at someone saying something that's if I made up the fact that chiropractic medicine was founded by a magnetic healer and a quack who by the way was killed by his own son do you know the story behind Som I miss that was run over by his son his son ran him over with a car and they think he might have done it on purpose and his son apparently was a huge fraud and the son went on to be the one who promoted chiropractic medicine it was really promoted by the sun yeah it's in the Wikipedia pull up the Wikipedia on Chiropractic controversies this the they there's a real uh theory that the son murdered the dad and the son murdered the dad to take over the business and then he's the one who pushed chiropractic medicine I think we had to cut it off at some point cuz the article was 4,000 words yeah I'm

95:30sure right here we go what do you got here Jamie this is his Wikipedia this is death it says there's a book about it offal okay a homecoming parade that's that's hilarious injuries by his son wow yeah ran him over his son ran him over Jesus attempted patricide yeah that's uh that's fun there was speculation that it was an accident but instead wow a case of attempted patricide that's but that it was not an accident hm no one knows so who knows I mean you're talking about some that went down the 1800s or actually 1913 I guess huh so 1913 BJ Palmer ran over his dad Dee Palmer Dee and yeah and that guy is filled with problems too if you look into him the sun apparently the sun was a massive fraud so in a sense chiropractic medicine was founded by a quack and promoted by a fraud who might have murdered his dad oh well you know how the does it get so far that's

96:34the the most stunning thing about it it's it's a thing where like it it took root before like you like I said before real medicine was was starting and it just it kept going like while medicine was making attempts at other things and some of them failed and some of them stayed like think about around that time was when was like we have a numerical cure heroin like that right there was a lot of going on so I mean like they cocaine was in Coca-Cola oh yeah like they were trying at real things and failing but at least they were they were trying like these guys were like hey we had a seance check this out and like that didn't work so well without the internet people would not have had this information like when I first started going to chiropractors was probably 20 years ago no one had this information it was it wasn't available no one knew you just thought oh he's a

97:24doctor it says Doctor of Chiropractic oh he's a guy who studied chiropractic medicine and I love that so many of them just say doctor and you have to dig through their website for where it eventually says chiropractor how can you call yourself a doctor if you don't go to medical school isn't shouldn't there be some sort of a National Standard it's funny because a lot of them like I and I don't know if this should bug me or not because like you'll see doctors somewhere and the the MDS will say MD really carefully or pediatrician they'll be very careful to say what type of doctor they are if someone like now I'm very leery if I just see doctor cuz I'm like all right are they like what breed of doctor are they do they have a PhD do they have are they a chiropractor like if I see doctor and then I see some on their page I'm like what type of doctor are they because like everyone wants you to

98:09think like or I think people just want you to think that they're a medical doctor uh and that's that weight that title has a lot of weight so people will take advice if they see Dr period in front of the name Bill Cosby was a doctor for a while till they took it back apparently people were taking some drugs from him they just didn't know it he they gave him an honorary doctorate doctorates are also weird right cuz if you get a doctorate you can be called a doctor like you could be drct Cosby but you don't have to have Ed also we need a new new word for that like someone who's got a doctorate shouldn't be a doctor it's like I go back and forth on that one because I have friends who you know have their phds and like I you know you you're you kind of you call them doctor and then like when I think I feel like when they email people generally in the signature line it's you know it's

98:53you know joeo PhD like they're they're yeah it's like they sign things PhD in general just to not be a dick about it um but it's like it's I feel like putting doctor blank when you're a PhD it's like I I feel like it can cause some confusion like Dr Laura who was the deal with Dr Laura is she a doctor is it Dr Phil no Dr Phil is a doctor he just not a psychologist I don't remember which one of he was off the top of my head I feel like there was a doctorate in there somewhere or a pH or something but like there's so many of them that just don't have what they it's funny because uh what's his face Dr Oz really good cardiothoracic surgeon bullshitter on TV though oh he's so scary that guy's selling miracal cures for weight loss it's he's got it's funny because since Congress told him cut the he's been Congress imagine that he's still on TV he's been less full of but

99:40still a little full of cuz how do how do you fill a 45 minute TV show with complete like you know just peer-reviewed science every day it's hard like so you start bullshitting and yeah but way more than that that's like Shilling for like he's selling miracle cures which is so up and it's like the the disappointing thing is like he was a I mean when I say good he was an amazingly good cardiothoracic surgeon and that's what's disappointing about this is he used that credibility of being such a good doctor to be such a big it's like why why would you do that to people they they expect we we want it better from you just don't do that Ben Carson the guy who's like a serious neurosurgeon right right yeah he didn't he think the Earth's 10,000 years old he thinks there's grain in the pyramids grain grain he was like there's grain in the pyramids maybe he's right I haven't been that's not so

100:35shocking to me that someone would leave some grain behind I mean uh no mean it's like filled with grain is that what you think I think he thought they were silos they were ancient silos like it's not that he doesn't mean that there was like an occasional vase full of grain he means like they were silos and that's not not accurate they were young earther it's I that might be I don't I haven't looked too much I might have made that up it's I but I mean it would nothing would surprise me with some of these people there are a lot of people who are extremely smart but they close off just giant sections of their reasoning and understanding it's hard to find people that are 100% you know very skeptical and very uh you know or or critical thinkers and want to be critical thinkers in every field of their life they're like look I have this I'll be really good and really critical thinking

101:22about this but I have this belief and you can't touch it and like that seems to be the case with a lot of people I'm like I just want evidence about things show me evidence and the big thing is show me where the balance of evidence is like if you give me two articles that say this and then 10,000 that say this I'm like I'm over here I'm going there and I think that's I think that's kind of a a solid way to to evaluate evidence like if you've got a lot of them that say this and they're and they seem solid and backed by uh backed by people who know what they're talking talked about it just seems to be a good way to evaluate uh what you're you know how you're going to uh choose your opinions on something yeah I mean it seems like you just really have to do a lot of research before you form any opinion on anything and well that's one of the reasons why I don't blame people

102:08when they don't uh get it right right away because do like and this is something I'll I'll do at some of my talks I'll say you know take out your phones and Google a term that you're not sure about in in health or nutrition Google GMOs Google sugar Google you know whatever and know tell me what the top 10 search results say and you know sometime like especially with GMOs for a long time the top like eight out of 10 search results were like why this is going to make your dick fall off and it's like now like it's changed a little bit because there's been a huge effort by science writers to get out the word this isn't going to kill you but like for for a while like how you know it's so many of the top search results said they were horrible how hard should you know just a soccer mom in Iowa have to hunt to figure out if this is going it it's easy to get the impression that

103:02like I said the 10,000 articles say it's bad when it's really just you know screaming repeating you know the one article that say it's bad well if you just Google chiropractic medicine you're not going to get a lot of fraud articles if you Google Chiropractic is you get your article and then you go down a rabbit hole and you know if you Google chiropratic IC fraud you'll find plenty of stuff on it and then the history of chiropractic medicine is where it really unravels yeah and it's it's hard to it's it's like when someone just wants to know what's going to fix my back like that's not where they start it's a problem I mean a back problems are horrible I mean that's that is a part of the problem is like people get desperate they do not know what to do just like when you were saying you were getting those horrible headaches and you're like I'll try anything yeah I'm going

103:50to go vegan I'm going to go GMO free I'm going to drink water only I'm going to yeah I gave up my beloved Diet Coke Dark Times people get worried oh yeah you know you get worried and you start thinking about different ways you can and then if someone comes along and says look this is the solution just stick with it I need to see you twice a week my my this one guy that I was going to was like you got to come more often buddy that's really the way like oh I got to get you to move my neck more often the are you doing really you know and I stopped going to him I I was going to this one guy and he had a really good massage therapist and I was getting the massage therapy then I stopped getting the Chiropractic adjustment and then he was like look you got to you got to get the Chiropractic adjustment too I was like I don't I'm getting one thing is helping me the

104:34other thing I don't feel anything I just it sounds cool I like the sound it's like that Crick feels great it feels good like when you do this that feels good but that's the same thing that a chiropractor is doing to you but then they tell you you're not supposed to do that to your fingers I'm like well why well it can cause arthritis how the do you know how many I've been doing it my whole life I don't have arthritis like what well the question is kind of like we're talking about with long-term pesticide exposure I don't know where that's going to land me when I'm 70 I don't believe it I don't believe that causes arthritis of course when I'm 70 they're just going to throw some new drug at me and it'll be fine my point was that you can't have it both ways if this causes arthritis how the are you allowed to crack my neck all the time that's an excellent point

105:17like what one or the other it's funny I've had and one person is funny for all the people who messaged me cuz you asked what the feedback was it wasn't just you know chiropractors who were really mad I had some people say my parents brought me for Chiropractic when I was a kid and now my back is up so I mean and I don't know how many stories there are like that from people saying you know we started Chiropractic when I was a baby and this was not the way to go for me like but God some of the responses to the article baby Jesus Christ well what is that woman who just died the Playboy model or family suing the chiropractor so there are like the sudden very kind of violent uh way that they crack a neck in Chiropractic can leave you open to uh to severing an an artery in your neck now it it's not often that it happens but it happens and this is one of those things that I have

106:05a really big contention with Chiropractic with is that they have all these mornings about how you know Western medicine and it's kind of funny that they call it Western medicine when Chiropractics started in the middle of the of of the US um it's like you don't get to claim that you made this in China for sakes um but like they'll they'll say that Western medicine is so horrible for for you and it has all these potential side effects and yeah it has potential side effects but they have potential side effects while they actually cure you have potential side effects while you're cracking someone's neck like right when you say potential side effects too you're talking about 320 million people that are going to the doctor if you have a 100,000 cases of potential side effects across the board from all causes that's what they're harping on you're harping on the the minority of things that

106:49happen and go wrong and then you know obviously there some like theide and some stuff that people don't use anymore that are horrible on the side effects theide never made it to the US that's something a lot of people don't realize really it was used in other countries it was other countries now we had one regulator in the US who saw the drug was coming up for approval here and she said no we have to look into this more and then they saw the cases in Europe uh of all these infants that were being born uh with major side effects and she was like ah told you so that was that was how they started and this was uh what this is actually what gave us uh one of the best uh acts for regulation uh for safety and efficacy in the US and basically it said that drugs before they make it to market now have to be proven Beyond a certain amount uh to show that they are both safe and

107:36effective and it was B basically the Lomi that launched that uh that act which is which is kind of like we're good at learning from our mistakes uh in in far I say we like I work for it but no it's like you know we're good at learning from our mistakes when we have a up like that so I mean I don't know what and what worries me is that we're going to have eventually another we we can very easily have another drug like that but it will be something that we haven't regulated out of the system yet so I don't know what the next thing will be but it'll be something that we haven't seen yet so that's the that that's the kind of uh scary thing it'll be it'll be like we already know how to test for things in utero we already know to test for things that uh you know that can cause cancer we already know certain types of testing uh like but the lamide it was so crazy non-toxic they couldn't

108:27get it to kill a rat how nutty is that it is pretty crazy did to babies uh yeah I mean it's it's crazy that something that was that s what was the purpose of it it was it was used for a lot of different things and the thing that they gave it to mothers for was uh to stop uh morning sickness now it's still used in a few treatments just don't get it anywhere near a pregnant woman so they they gave it it was really really good for let me rephrase it it was really effective uh at stopping morning sickness but just nobody had a clue that it was what it was causing to you know inudo um and it was you know causing like you know limbs to not be formed it was causing all these crazy things and tens of thousands of babies were born deformed before they went yikes pull the plug isn't there also an issue with proving drugs is isn't there also an issue with biodiversity and that like

109:17you have issues that I don't have and so there's there's going to be things that affect you that are not going to affect me Vice vers and this is why after and this is uh an interesting that happens so it's you you know as you happened with uh with your neurotrope neut Tropics neut Tropics neut Tropics okay sorry my apologies uh so um so with uh so you know about uh phase three clinical trials and all that from uh from that um so when you get to phase three generally you're testing between three and 10,000 people in the population and you've gotten through a few trials you know that this is effective for this you want to see if people have you're testing for allergic reactions and you're testing to where people are going to have issues with the drug so that when you get to Market you know that you know these people like this is the percentage of people that

110:00have these side effects as a percentage with these if you have these side effects call your doctor right away discon that type of stuff but that's 3 to 10,000 people you don't know who you're going to give it to that's on X medication that has X disorder on top of the thing you're treating for that type of stuff um or if it could cause someone to die these things can happen and like that's kind of what happened with Vio is that you know like they didn't they there were some people in that room who probably knew which just explained causes strokes and some folks anti-arthritis medication and it was like I know a guy who got a stroke from that by the way oh wow holy I mean there were there were people in that room uh who probably looked at it and said all right so there's this risk factor uh that's that causes you to increase your possible risk factor by

110:45x%c what if somebody has all of these risk factors combined uh and you know like well we shouldn't approve it because there's a chance of you you put it on somebody on this who has all of these combined it's there's a chance that they're going to have you know their chances of getting a stroke is or you know having an issue with their what is it heart attack from it is going to be through the roof we shouldn't approve it and it got approved anyway and it's one of those drugs that shouldn't have been put through was it heart attacks and strokes I thought it was heart attacks I know a guy got a stroke from it oh it's blood clot that must have been blood clots but yeah it's like it shouldn't have been significant issues with some folks yeah and it's like there is a chance when you put any drug through now they try to get through things to minimize this but because uh a

111:25phase three trial only tests in you know a certain amount of the population they try to get a diverse group when you get it out you don't know what the possible effects are going to be on someone else so you might see new side effects depending on the other drugs someone is on because you know you're not prescribing these to healthy people you're prescribing this to a sick person so yeah that that definitely can happen so that's why for a certain amount of time after drugs on the market they do post uh Bas it's kind of phase four clinical trials you're doing uh postmarket monitoring so that does go on for a certain amount of time and sometimes drugs are pulled uh based on the amount of side effects the other things and that doesn't happen often um but it can happen based upon you know the amount of uh issues that you see after it hits Market what are your

112:10thoughts about advertising drugs on television like uh ask your doctor about this ask your doctor it's I have I would say mixed feelings but most of my feelings are that it's a bad thing um and it's the only good thing I see from it and I mean most of my feelings about it are still that it's a bad idea the only good thing I see about it is that if you have a um a patient that's you know got a shitty disease to to work with they get aware that there's a new medication out to treat it but you know where they should be getting that information doctor exactly so ask your doctor ask your doctor maybe maybe you know what your doctor is if you're asking them a drug dealer but the problem is when they show these people holding hands and spinning around in a field of Wheat and having the greatest time in their life and butterflies are flying around and puppies are

112:57magnetically drawn to them I'm not on enough drugs for that well that's the problem is like they they they have beautiful music playing they're manipulating you yeah like and it's I I don't I don't feel like that's a like no it's not appropriate and it's like you know I lived it's fun I lived in England for a year and when I was over there I realized I'm not like I'm like where where are all the drug advertisements like there's this is not a thing out here it's like where do you social medicine it's and me medicine's free it's different it was it it was there were some things that were kind of crazy about that like I landed in the hospital overnight once when I was there and I was so like and I already knew that I had no copays when I went to a doctor I'm like I'm in the hospital overnight I'm going to like this is going to cost me 10 grand when I left uh they were like did you

113:43take a cab here I'm like no why they're like oh if you had we were going to pay for it I'm like what who are you people this is this is I'm I'm an American I don't know what to do with myself what's going on like it was like the treatment though is the treatment is it the same like if you go over there cuz I I have friends in Canada and they have massive complaints about the medical system in terms of like if you get injured it takes a long time relatives are I have like five relatives in this country the rest all live in Nova Scotia and there are I'd say it's a mixed bag so if you need urgent care or regular care like you need to go to the doctor for a checkup you need your you know your annual um or you have a heart attack you I would say you're better off living in Canada um I had a little cousin that was born with basically no Chambers in her heart um which is horrifying uh you

114:34know it's like they saw it in Udo um and it was like okay um we're going to have to give this child an operation like almost immediately when she was born and for the next two years out surgery almost every year like open heart surgery every year on the dot every year as the heart grows the deal and like we asked you know why yeah it was and I mean they couldn't do all the fixing because they needed to do it as a heart cup bigger and so what did they do how do they do that it was and I mean I I wish I knew all the technicalities but you'd have to talk to a heart surgeon no chamber so what the heart look like it was I'm not exactly sure I never saw the pictures of it but I mean it's I I'll I'll hunt down my uh her father my cousin's uh blog that documented it if you want to have a peak but it was it's a a fairly rare condition the heart was I believe when she was born like it was

115:19a little closer to the center of the chest like it's a it was a very like my mom said that you know when she held her when she was first born like the pulsing even felt a little or sounded a little different than a normal infant's heart like it was but I mean the first at first they did a surgery that kind of put a band around the heart uh to give it a little more structure and then they formed more Chambers and then when she was three they put in like full Chambers and now she the only thing she can't do is she can't play contact Sports and they paid nothing she can't play contact Sports because of you know possibility of of causing um I'm not sure exactly what it can do but it's you know there's it can cause a little bit too much trauma to a heart that's already been you know Fair through a lot of trauma but that's the only thing that she's been told not to do so don't kickbox

116:04yeah no kickboxing don't get kicked in the chest no no getting K she can run she can I believe she can run uh she can she's happy active little kid looks really healthy uh is about the same uh she's she's a twin and she's got about the she's about the same height as her brother like she's uh um why didn't they just take her to a chiropractor where they could adjust her neck and grow her heart better see if you've been there to suggest this show she'd be fine just rub the backyard I went essential oil maybe she know one of one of palro stickers one of them things the credit card just put it under her feet while she's sleeping some energy for her food um I went to this one who was treating a bunch of Fighters and uh he uh was a Zone healer do you know what a Zone healer is never heard of it but I'm excited now he seemed like such a nice guy he was a chiropractor too he seemed

116:50like and he probably is a nice guy but he would press the back of your head like little spots and he's like does this hurt here does this hurt here does this hurt here and then he would press harder and uh I go well that one was kind of kind of hurts more and he's like well there there could be an issue with you know hypothalamus or some like that I was like what and so you know I'm a I'm a pretty skeptical per I've been hoodwinked before but I'm pretty skeptical and when I know that someone be a good skep pushing on a part of my head harder and then asking me that part and claiming that they can tell from the skin on the cover on your skull the skin on your skull like they can tell like that this is the area this is oh you've got an issue with your liver this is the liver area when I squeeze so it's like no this is the liver right there so uh me and this guy

117:42get into it and so I I go I mean I'm being respectful but I'm like what are you doing and he's like well it's called Zone healing and he's explaining this Zone healing thing to me and I'm like what is he doing and like well can cure all these different diseases he starts talking to me about all these different autoimmune diseases that it can cure and all these different things I go well how's it working he's like well it's just the way that I'm manipulating you in a certain way and the with the frequencies and I'm like what so I'm like come on man how the is this working I'm like that doesn't make any sense and so then we get to it and he's like you understand the placebo effect right and I go yeah well the placebo effect is you give someone a sugar pill you tell them what medicine and somehow or another it magically heals them right he's like yeah and he's like well this

118:22is essentially what we're doing I go so you're bullshitting and you're letting these people's bodies heal themselves he goes I wouldn't put it that way I of course you wouldn't put it that way CU you're charging money for those I go so you're saying that what you're doing doesn't really do anything he goes but it does I go it does he goes if you believe in it it does I go Jesus Christ I don't have to believe in penicillin okay exactly but that's it was so disturbing to me because I knew a bunch of guys who had gone to them and they're like oh this guy's fixing my knee and I was like what he's fixing your knee by in your neck he's fixing your knee he's not fixing your knee your knee is getting healed because you're taking time off people heal you know the body knows how to heal I want a reflexologist mechanic for my car I want someone to start what's reflexologist where they they say that

119:08it's not just that they're messing with your feet they're they're giving you a reflexology massage where they tap on certain parts of your feet and they say it's healing your liver so give me a reflexologist mechanic so that they're tapping on my tires and it's like no no no I'm working on your radiator I want to see that okay I'm not aware of reflexology I've seen those places where they show like a chart of the feet and it looks it might as well be a Palm Reader right you walking by and they have one of those neon signs oh yeah and so they what do they do they say that by tapping on C like this part the the arch is really your liver and your toes are really oh yeah your arch is your liver I'm not sure like I'm just but like that's they think the same kind of oh yeah but like I said give me give me like the Chiropractic uh you know reflexologist of of the mechanic

119:52world I want them to start tapping on on my oil tank and say oh really I'm fixing your alternator like like not nobody does this for cars because you know why your car won't run there's a real problem with people saying they know things that they don't really know and I think people get really upset by it and I think it's one of the reasons why it's so important to be honest about what you actually know and what you don't actually know you know I think that's that to me is like the most important currency like you should never give up how you honest ly feel and what you honestly think and what you honestly know about something and as soon so as soon as you're a astrologer or a card reader or a palm reader or a psychic you're a artist and you you you're the reason you exist is because we can't really read minds cuz if I could know that you don't really

120:41know that if I could see a little turkey tester pop up in your head well I know you're full of like oh your tester popped up homie oh yeah it's like the the way you I think if anyone out there cuz I'm guessing your audience doesn't have a lot of people who believe in in psychics but if anyone sure they do if anyone out there truly believes in psychic walk into one and when they ask you your name just walk right the back out because if they were a real psychic they would know you were coming and they would know your name yeah maybe they weren't paying attention maybe they want to check to see if you're lying my name is Fred like okay Mark the down just walk right in walk right in give them a false story and see if they check it I have I have a friend who went to a psychic and he's like dude this guy knew all about my grandma I'm like don't you know about your

121:22Grandma the are you talking about man like she was she was an old lady and she was Grandma likee and she cooked things that you like see I know about your grandma too well they give you miss they give you these leading questions and then you give them information and they're really good at reading do you know B Che is oh yeah it's a I'm friends with the pen and Teller so yeah love those guys it's their it's it's funny cuz I learned a lot of my writing style kind of from that and there was it was funny there was a night uh backstage after the show Once where I was talking about like what I was doing with the with the sbab writing uh with teller and one of the things he said was about getting the script back for the Chiropractic episode and they have to be really careful with how they wrote the episodes of when they did what a great show that was that was and it was funny

122:08because like I I turned into a skeptic from watching that show uh and it's you've it was just great because like I you know obviously never heard teller talk before I got to you know know that group and I was like that was that was the first time cuz I had chitchat with teller a little bit before because I got to know pen first um and hearing teller describe like after I started you know doing the sbab thing um chitchatting with him about that I got a little insight into his brain he's like yeah we got the script back from legal and they said just call the chiropractor's and it's like I'm like I inside I'm like I got to keep my composition but my Lord that was like hearing teller say oh that's hilar that sounds like something Penn would say too these it's there's basically everything you hear in Penn's tone of voice you have to hear it in this tone of voice like I

122:58love that guy it's he's I I've learned a lot about uh I've learned a lot about skeping uh responsibly from him and one of the things I've always taken away is don't blame the victim uh and that's that's something I've kept with me and I'll always keep with me it's he's uh he's been a big influence on on my work and it's been it's been helpful yeah I mean we've all been hoodwinked I mean at some stage of your life whether it's your parents telling you about Santa Claus or something along the way we've been tricked and it's not your fault that you got tricked what the pro and man sometimes it's not even the fault of the person's tricking of they're being sincere and they're just they're just misinformed and they don't understand that what they're doing is actually harmful yep and then they fight for their cause like they have this thing that they do whether it's Chiropractic

123:43or whether it's being an astrologer or whatever then they like they dig in and they defend their Turf yeah but I I apologize for interrupting saying about banach it's or I'm it's if you were about to go into when they fooled people with their fake psych uh with the fake psychic no how good he is at reading people we had him on I did a show called Joe Rogan questions everything and banich was one of the episodes where he was explaining to me how they do cold reading and explain to me how they lead people into uh giving him enough information that he can form a reasonable assessment of who they are and then he would answer certain ask certain leading questions and he's like I've just done this so many times I know how to get and people are shocked and they don't know what to do and they've never done this before so you know it's like you can ask them questions and they

124:30start giving you information and like your parents were divorced when you were young like how do you know cuz it's you said it it's so common first of all and you know you could read certain things from people and I mean he showed us a bunch of that he does like the spoon bending thing you know a bunch of different things that people want you to think that it's magic it's funny because there's a big Crossover with the magician Community uh and the skeptic community and it's because they know how easy it is to trick the out of people and I I kind of love that it's kind it's been interesting to see this group of entertainers that people think of as goofballs be this kind of a little bit of a Bastion of intellectualism because I I like that it's hard to get people to pay attention to anything on the internet but if you make it funny and you add a dick joke suddenly people

125:17are like I got to learn about this right well that's why pen and tell I think are so important cuz they were the first magicians who were really adamant that what they're doing is yep you they were they're like nope we're tricking you and they use that word trick and I like that yeah we're tricking you we're really good at it's still going to be awesome you're still going to watch and have a great time it's and they were they were totally up front they're like no there's no magic we're tricking you yeah their shows godamn those shows were hilarious some of those shows where they catch people and this the the nonsense that they're promoting and pushing one one of my favorite uh ones is there was a uh there was an episode where they attacked organic food and they did um and this is this thing where people double down on things uh they took a banana cut it in half uh and it

126:02was I believe a conventionally grown banana and on one plate they'd say it was an organic banana the other plate they'd say it was a uh organic the other plate uh conventionally grown and have people take a bite out of each one and people you know they'd sit there describing the organic banana it's creamy and sweet and tastes like a banana should taste in the conventionally grow yeah it's really Bland and it doesn't taste good and this one girl after they explained to quote pen it's the same banana um and this one girl afterwards she's like I don't know if it if it makes me question my my opinion of organic versus conventional it really makes me question the concept of the banana I'm like oh girl you're going to waste a dumb girl voice you can pull that off Natasha lero got mad at me yesterday when I did the dumb girl voice I well it's I I'm just I it's it's a it's a

126:53skill it's one of the skills I bring to the table we can get away with it though girls girls can get away with it it's like I I I think I I thought I did an okay impression of pen but yeah oh yeah enough yelling no it just enough attempting to destroy my vocal cords will will produce a pen impression almost well I think it's a a unique time for exposing and you know because there's enough articles and videos and there's enough like you can kind of get a sense like oh I see a pattern here's a lot of people I think people are tired of not knowing what's real on the internet and it's partially like this whole Trend with fake news and like there there's kind of a breaking point I think in terms of what people are are willing to accept uh for just being spewed on the internet and being accepted as real because there's so much content out there and people want to spend their time reading stuff

127:48that's for real and that they can trust and don't want to trust shitty sources you know like they want to go all right here's a source I can trust I can keep going back to this website I can get good information uh and they want things explained uh that they know was researched well and I I think that this is uh this is a valuable good uh to offer out to people saying you know here's something real and here's some and here's a dick joke to read while you're reading something real so I aim for a good dick joke to to research ratio I think that's important as well now when you did this article and you know you said it was 4,000 words it's a particularly long article what what did you have to Omit I mean it seems like I mean when you're dealing with 4,000 words I mean was it just the the comprehensive coverage on why chiropractic medicine is or is it just like like God damn I got to keep

128:38this thing as tight as I can but there's so much to talk about well it's I was going to joke well I do get paid by the word no well that's that's true but it wasn't like I never go into it going let's make it as long as I can or make it as short as I can we like um at I'm a contributing writer at the outline now um and this is and it's whenever we write a piece it's always let's make it cover the topic in as entertaining and and as uh as cohesive as a of a story as possible and we'll go for let's go we kind of say what points do we want to cover in this piece and sometimes it's um and it's basically to tell a good story and my my goal whenever I write an article on something is let's write best uh let's write a piece so that I never have to cover this topic again and with Chiropractic like I like I could one thing I would have liked to have covered if somehow we could have made it like

129:33either you know if somehow we could have condensed it a little and so we could have fit something else in I would have uh maybe added in a piece on are there science-based chiropractors is that possible um but is it possible to be a science-based card reader yeah I mean that's the problem is like I feel like like it was we tried to present one point of view while still giving a hat tip like we included a link on some chiropractors that are showing you know that they're trying to be science-based so I think that adding in a whole section on it would have maybe diminished from the point of view of it so being making it good reading and you know a cohesive point of view is always important to the article right but let me stop you there when you say chiropractor science-based if it was when it started if it was something that was created by a magnetic healer it was It was a nonsense thing

130:22that came from a seance how does that ever become science-based if the original the origin it's not based on medical research where they figured out that if you do this look here's all the studies that we've shown when you do this this is the immune system response that the body has to your there's none of that right it doesn't exist well there is there is some and it's some minor evidence that but subjective pain relief right it and I I don't want to diminish and this is something that I'm sure people are sitting there like with Dad is still mad at us for saying you know for questioning their their subjective experiences I don't want to tell people that they did not feel relief uh from what they because pain is it's really subjective and it's hard to manage so I think that there are chiropractors who aim specifically to relieve low back pain um and I mean I

131:09think if you aim just to do that uh with your chiropractic practice while still telling people look I'm just doing this while you go to physical therapy you should still be going to a physical therapist this is an adjunctive things solely to relieve pain um and they try to see how it can just relieve pain I think it's possible that that can do but I think that adding that into the article takes away from it a a bit uh because that's that's not part of the article's point of view and it's also not part of my point of view of how it's uh not a science-based practice so I think that and I mean I've seen some ethical chiropractors there's Sam hom Homa I'm not sure how to pronounce his name I've never heard it said out loud before uh but that was one of the chiropractors who I cited in there who you know he's continued to practice while speaking out against the

131:56Chiropractic very vocally speaking out against Chiropractic as a whole uh because he's seen that it can you know and there is some he still manipulating backs he is but he's but what is going on there what is what is that do and that's one of those things where I feel like I'm in a gray area because I don't want to diminish the people who have said that it's helped them have pain relief but I also think these people should be going to um you know to a uh you know to a physical therapist and to a massage therapist so like I'm not sure what the I'm not sure what the exact right answer is on that if someone says I've been to a physical therapist I've been to a massage therapist and this is the only thing that's ever made it feel better and I went in one session what do you say like and I I don't know where the exact right answer is to that I don't know either but if it all started

132:43from it seems so hard if the foundation is yeah and I mean I mean I went to a guy that was really good at a bunch of other stuff like would give you EMS electrical muscular stimulation put those pads on laser he had really good massage therapist he provided Physical Therapy he had a little gym set up but at the end of the day he's still cracking backs well here's a question what if and and this is I get it this completely a um hypothetical what if it hadn't been started by this nut JW magnetic healer and it was a doctor who said oh this can you know this can help and if it was a just an osteopath who was trying to see if this could help Relief pain along with physical therapy so I i' encourage people if they're if they are looking for a way that manipulation can help maybe not go to a chiropractor but seek out in your medical practice an osteopath who can who knows much more

133:35about anatomy and please keep going to a physical therapist and maybe a massage therapist cuz massages feel great so yeah they do I just it's so hard to say that you know there's like science-based ones when it all started out with like you know it's going to be it will be very hard for you to find a you know quote unquote science-based chiropractor please if you're you know if the only thing that's relieving your back pain and I get it I have you know I have scoliosis back pain issues are very hard to manage uh you know an osteopath will understand your Anatomy much better they're not going to say you have to come back in three times a week um they're going to send you to a physical therapist and you know maybe recommend a massage but they'll they'll do it in a in an ethical fashion uh and not overstep their reach but that's you know there is some evidence that it

134:24helps with lower back pain but not more than physical therapy or massage and that's I think what people should take away from this I'm not saying it can't do anything I'm saying it's not the best thing and that's also a problem because most chiropractors also incorporate massage and so it's so hard to decide like what what is helping you yeah and I mean that's like I I think it's and I get it like I'm uh I don't want to I think the hardest part is telling telling people that their subjective experience is wrong cuz that's like you don't I don't want to be that I don't think necessarily you're saying it's wrong but you're saying re-evaluate what the root cause of exactly yeah and it's I like I yeah I mean it's like if you went to a chiropractor you're not stupid you're not wrong you're not a you're you know you're someone who's suffering and I I I both of both

135:12of us understand that it's just you know make sure you're not being uh that the person who's selling to you isn't uh selling a line and they're not telling you can fix your immune system and and cure your baby to the point where it doesn't need vaccinations please don't let someone do that to you because that's so stunning you know measles is a real thing that chickenpox Ms all of it it's I and this is kind of a like have uh did you uh it's um have you ever gotten hooping cough cuz that one I got horrible I got it as an adult um because and this is kind of this is kind of shitty they do need to make a new hooping cough vaccine that is not a reason not to get it please get it please re-up it um but the hooping cof vaccine when they made it uh some strains of it wore off faster uh than was originally expected somebody came into my lab um and we were I mean we

136:03were given um you know along with our uh packages working two Labs ago um at a drug testing lab um we were given health insurance and it was around the time of the first Obamacare debate you know when people were allw like I don't need to buy Healthcare and one of the guys in the lab who was all why should I get Healthcare I'm healthy he showed up with hooping cough and for two weeks we didn't know he had it he was just sick and everyone's like Craig go to the Doctor Craig go to the Doctor Craig go to the doctor five of us got hooping cough from one guy from one guy did you ever let him hear the end of it um Craig it's Craig man Craig um I uh I was out of work we all had to stay out of work for 5 days all of us who had it so and I'm like and within the course of a month and this was just bad luck um within the course of a month I had had hip surgery uh tore a tore a ligament to my hip

136:49running an ultramarathon never uh don't don't run an ultramarathon it's a bad idea um was hit in a car accident and got hooping cough within wait that was 6 weeks so I'm like I had no vacation time left to miss work and I was out because somebody coughed on me I have a buddy of mine who runs ultramarathons all the time oh there were it's I didn't realize at the time that I had a joint disorder yeah well don't run them if you have a joint disorder and don't run them if you don't build up to them too right oh no you need to tr and I mean I trained properly I just I didn't realize I'm like my hip is hurting and I went to my surgeon and this is this is something that a that chiropractic does uh yell about in The Pain Care system and in in the medical system that they have a point about doctors do throw pills at you haphazardly my doctor and I'm I'm never going to not be mad about this my

137:35doctor instead of saying we should do a scan with contrast to see what's going on because you're really complaining about this uh chucked me a bottle of Vicodin and said go ahead and run yeah wow what's your doctor's name oh yeah I'm not going to say uh because you know it's like it's there was that part of me that was really happy that I got to do my ultra but God damn it if you need vicadin to run a marathon don't do it Dr vicadin oh yeah it's I mean don't don't do that but I mean it was funny because after I ran it I'm like all right I don't need to you know take the medication anymore because I'm not running and suddenly I realized how up my hip was and it was like oh my God I can barely walk like what was wrong with the hip you tore a ligament in uh tore my laborum and it was like it was you have to get that tightened up uh just I don't even remember like it's I

138:20mean there's all I have are like two little scars cuz like it was it was such an easy surgery that the day of surgery it felt less bad than it did the day before wow um and it was like it was F it was the week that I turned 29 I'm like it's turning 29 and already I'm getting hip surgery I'm like this was this was uh yeah so that was my my all of my surgeries have been on I'm pretty sure my parents dropped me as a baby and just won't admit to it cuz my headache left side three surgeries on my left shoulder surgery on my left tip I'm like are you right-handed it's I'm I'm rightand but because you're doing everything with your right side your left side's atrophying kind of ambidex I'm one of my friends is an archery instructor and I'm learning how to how to shoot bows and arrows you know just in just in case the Revolution come no not really uh but it's I'm I'm off I

139:04shoot with uh my bow hand my strong hand is my left hand that I'm like I'm dominant on my left eye pull your left eye dominant pull back on the wait which one gets you pull back on the left if your left eye yeah pull back on the left and my right arm keeps getting bruised like crazy and I have to keep explaining to people that I'm not getting hit cuz you're slapping the skin with the string SL slapping with this one yeah you need better form yeah it's like an keeps on going why don't you put one of those wrist things on or those forearm things I have one and it's the worst this is the worst thing that happens cuz like all I have to do is go like this to get my arm out of the way and instead the couple of this is the worst is when the string catches right here and this giant bruise right there you using a compound bow or a traditional bow uh I think it's

139:48a long I don't know if the top this does have cams in like these big no it's a it's a fairly simple starter bow it's my my friend Anna she's she knows all the things we're doing it's like I'm I just kind of show up and I'm like please let me not kill myself so it's where how it's it's a it's a thing where it's like it's a lot of fun and I'm I I'm loving the crap out of it it's great uh great workout especially for your uh lats and uh and your uh upper shoulders but it's like dear God I'm I'm still clueless at what I'm doing it's funny cuz like she's like she's won a few tournaments she knows what she's doing uh gone shooting with her a few times and then we went out and my boyfriend came with us and like he's hitting Bull's eyes right away I'm like I'm like how the are you kidding me he's just naturally great at it I'm like what but I'm like I I fun meditation oh yeah it's just

140:35you're just you're sitting there going who who do I want to pretend is the T but it's like is that what you do really no not at all I'm not I'm not an angry per like it's it's funny I put all my all of my rage goes into my writing and like that's that's like all of the I'm like anger daddy issues all the times that I didn't like why didn't why didn't this work God damn it all the anger goes into the writing like the archery is just meditative like it's it's relaxing it's like you're out in an open field there's it's like it's a really nice little archery range up in Glendale oh yeah I know where that is yeah I feel like it's one of those things where when you're doing it it requires so much focus it kind of like drains you of distractions yeah you're just you're it was funny whenever here's my uh nerdy uh moments whenever we walk from the car to the range they turn on uh uh superhero

141:22soundtracks and just walk out there I'm like I I can feel like superhero sound like uh it's the soundtrack to Deadpool while we're walking up there I'm like I'm like now like I can I can feel slightly like a badass for 5 seconds okay before I go back to my right Life as a writer well thank you for your writing and thank you for writing that article on chiropractors being I'm sorry chiropractors who listening this or fuming and angry they're they're going to hate me it's okay well I mean everything you said is right though the real problem is what you did was you know you exposed something it's the one thing and I keep waiting for this there you know there was the one article where somebody called me a Sith Lord and I'm like they and they gave ACH why say that what was the article it written by a chiropractor I don't I think it was somebody who' went to one and they said

142:07only a Sith deals an absolute I'm like I'm like I'm part of the Rebellion um but no they uh that's so stupid it's but they were so nerded out I I I am a nerd and I'm okay with it yeah I'm nerd too but that's that's so like that's such a nerd out way to criticize someone it's you mean for calling me a Sith Lord I have that in my Twitter profile now I'm like AED Sith Lord bring it on you ram it it's I'm I'm like you know if you're I'm like after all the insults that people have thrown I found an article written about me once and this was beautiful that said that I was uh that that I was on um I was a big farmer shill because I admitted to taking medication for my headache I'm like if that I'm like I don't think I'm a shill I think I'm I'm a customer they have the relationship backwards yeah you can't read everything but no it's I can't fight the internet you

142:55definitely can't talk about everything that you read you'll go crazy no thank you how what's the correct pronunciation of your name IET dantal dantal dantal say it one more time dantal damal damal there you goary there we go all right so much for having me my pleasure see you guys and girls and uh nonbinary folks