James Hetfield

00:00guess I never I don't know much about moose they're awesome so big such a giant animal 2 one live boom live with James headfield how are you Sarah doing awesome any friend of Jim Brewers is a friend of mine so awesome to hear so so you're in hey man I listened to your new in the gym today and you know what's amazing about it you guys still rock hard you know you you haven't I love arrol Smith I was a huge arrol Smith fan when I was a kid but somewhere along on the line they became a ballad band similar along the line they started doing movies for music for or music for movies that appeal to like uh adolescent teenage girls you know like something happened yeah I got you no and then and then uh other people start writing your songs that's that's I think the the ultimate kind of uh uh not given up but you've you've you've lost your way yeah but I wanted to talk to

00:56you about like there's a transition that successful people make and either they make it or they don't and the the the transition is to go from being hungry and filled with all this angst to being like stupid wealthy and famous but still keeping your art relevant like how do you do that uh we're super competitive people we're really perfectionists and we hate to let each other down uh there is a there's always a better riff coming there's always a better album uh maybe there's the Never Satisfied part to us that will keep us going till we die you know there's always the ultimate lyric that's going to connect to everyone in the world or something there is always a a better something that we haven't got yet so it's that mindset is that you you I guess in the beginning you just want to do it right you want to be uh a successful band you want to make it you're young you're filled with angst

01:57but your music has the same sort of intensity to it like today in the gym I got in there I hadn't listened to your new album at all I cranked it up to 9 and I just said let's go and I turned it on and right from the jump I was like woo like there's something about a good hard rock album that just gets you pumped up and you guys 100% A+ succeeded with this one awesome to hear well that's that's why we do it too we write M we write music we record music that we want to hear because we're not hearing it out there sometimes so and that's how it's been since day one and uh you know as you we're we're pretty honest in our music too so I love the fact that from album one to here we're doing it our way and we're writing songs for ourselves and that there's a honesty that has to be in it or people can see people can see that you're not honest right yeah they they're like little animals they smell

02:56it right don't they and they smell yeah they smell they smell it the whole deal yeah it's it's just it's refreshing to see like a band that's been at it for a long time that's super successful that still goes after it yeah the thing that uh thing that bugs me a lot is when people say you know okay now that you're now that you're sober or now that you're matured now all this and you've worked out all your uh demons and things like that that your music's going to be all soft and Flowery and I tell you if if I could exercise all those demons I would have and it but it just it's something you you embrace it's a part of me and I get to celebrate it in my music I get to communicate it I get to use it as a therapy to help my own insanity and other people do too so when you get those like-minded people together in a place and play live music does something to people like you in the gym I get to

03:59watch people at our shows transform from God I just took my tie off or I still have my freaking briefcase you know like handcuffed to me I want out of this and I get to let loose and I get to see these people transform and and and watch music do stuff to them yeah transform is the right word right because it does it's almost like music it I think there's a an element to music that doesn't get discusted that it does have some sort of an effect on the body like there's like when you hear a good song and you're in your car and you're like yeah it's like a drug I mean it is it's like taking taking a shot of this caveman Nitro or some more powerful than that really because it's instantaneous you know I got plenty of speeding tickets plenty well that's the best place uh like uh you know for Lars and I to listen to the music when we're putting it together you

04:55know does it make the car test you know that that cuz you're yourself in your car if no one else is in there uh you're you get to celebrate and listen and just go fraking nuts in your car and that's that pass the car test you know that's got to be where most people listen to most their music these days with all the commuting people do especially here in La man espcially here it's a ridiculous place isn't it yeah yeah where you liveing these days hopefully we save people from road rage they get to just headbang instead of shoot people you ramping it up well there's not too much shooting people in cars anymore it was going on for a while and like the 90s that's trendy where do where do you live these days I live in Vale Colorado oh no man wow that's kind of cool it's very cool it's quiet no frakin traffic uh and especially now super quiet snow uh snow does does something to calm you down a

05:47little bit I I agree with that I remember when I was a kid in Boston there was those days when it would just snow hard You' go outside and you you experience quiet like you never heard it before right it's like everything gets filtered by that snow mhm well I like you know there's a there's a there's a lone wolf part of me that I I maybe you can relate to but I like being by myself uh but I also like I need people to to connect with as well but when I get out uh you know living in Veil moving from California to Colorado was a was a great thing for me I I feel really oh I feel a part of nature there um and you don't want to be inside there there's something about it you just want to be outside all the time well it's so beautiful yeah I'm going to Colorado this weekend mhm cool yeah it's stunning up there there just's something about Colorado those mountains are just

06:41the best natural artwork like you could ever look at yeah no doubt we get to look at the gore range right out our mountain and I've drank plenty of Kors lights in my life and that's the one on the can like wow I'm looking at it and uh lots of 14ers there lots of great uh you know lots great snowmobiling rafting you know paddle boarding you name it what's a 14er uh 14,000 ft PE Peaks oh yeah lots of 14,000 feet Peak oh people who are into climbing those crazy Peaks yeah or hunting you know what made you move out there like what what was the uh did you go there and visit first or just decided you needed to separate from the hive yeah there's there's probably a a multitude of things that made it happen uh my wife grew up there she was born in Argentina they moved to Vale she went to elementary school there you know we were going to Tahoe a lot to do skiing and

07:38stuff like that she said you got to we got to go to Veil this is this is not snow we'll go to Veil and feel snow and we went there a few times and I loved it I'm not a huge skier but I can ski and I have fun doing it my kids love it um and so that my my wife turns into a kid when we go there which I kind of like it's a little more like me you know she can be a little you know a little two on point and a little you know uh she's she's um she loosens up and she becomes young again there um so there's that kind of got sick of the Bay Area the attitudes of people there a little bit I was you know they talk about how diverse they are and and things like that and you know it's fine if you're diverse like them you know but you know showing up with a deer on the bumper doesn't fly in Marin County you know uh my or my my form of eating organic doesn't Vibe with theirs

08:46you know did you do you have issues with that like with the people you lived with up in Marin County with hunting or is it just something you felt yeah you know it's something I felt uh I probably made it up in my head a little bit Yeah cuz I'm pretty good at that pretty creative and I can start fights with myself in my head all the time you know a lot of people can oh yeah but but there was there was just a I don't know I felt that there was an elitist attitude there that if you weren't their way politically their way uh you know environmentally all of that that uh you know you were looked down upon I think in Colorado everyone is very natural people are not playing some game they're not posturing you know they're very into oh you like doing that cool how's that go how you doing with that you know and they're they're they're less they're less obsessed with stopping what you're

09:50doing and more enjoying what they're doing you know H that's interesting that's an interesting way to look at it the I love the bay area but I've always felt like I think you nailed it the Bay Area they love diversity as long as you're diverse the way they're diverse MH it's um it's so Tech oriented and it's so absorbed with one aspect of society technology and cell phones and the internet and electric cars and it's so locked into that one sort of like mode of being that I think a guy like you goes out there and shoots an elk or something like that it's probably like a little creepy to them well I I just think I I feel more at home in the midwest or the mountains or something I mean I love the ocean and I love the Bay Area I love what it's got to offer but there's just a just an attitude that it was uh it it wasn't healthy for me starting to feel like uh I was just

10:49fighting all the time and I just had to get out of my own head so Colorado does it for me um you were doing that show The Hunt that uh that show that what is it on his Channel or something like that where it was all about grizzly bear hunting you were doing the narration for that yeah and you I I saw all this crazy blowback because of that where there was people were they wanted to boycott a music festival that you guys were on and and there was photos of another guy who wasn't you that they were getting circled around they were saying it was you that killed a grizzly bear and they were you know saying we have to ban this this is hard was it's very strange like what was your reaction to all that I I kind of just took it as okay that's you know how how it's been for me in the Bay Area you know people don't understand it I mean it's just like with anything you

11:41know I don't think they understand that someone can be as passionate about something else as as passionate as they are about what they are passionate about you know so if you're as uh passionate about something there's someone who's the opposite and that's okay you can get along you can talk about it no one's right no one's wrong this is my life I like living it this way you like living your life that way I totally get it but we can coexist in this and let's really be diverse you know for me uh going out whether it's planning my own vegetables having you know my own beehives getting our own honey uh harvesting my meet on the ranch that's what I love doing I love sustaining my family with as organic as possible and uh you know I I I respect people that don't want the blood they don't want all that scene they would rather see their meat or whatever it is show up in a nice

12:52cellophane package and it's handed to them they don't want to know how it got there I I respect that my kid are like that they don't want to see it going on but I want to be as close to the earth I want to be as part of it as possible I want to be part of every bit of it and respect it yeah I I get that sentiment and I always found it strange how many people get upset at what you do but meanwhile they're eating meat I mean the San Francisco is filled with restaurants that are serving meat everywhere you go every single store you pass by has meat in it and to focus on you for you know going out and hunting is always a little weird well I guess I'm more old school I don't know whatever it is you know I I think the Bay Area Prides itself and I'm glad there is a place that Prides itself on being Progressive very moving forward hey we're creating the future here and I

13:43love the convenience and stuff of that but then there's a part of me that just maybe is like Frontier style I just love that I would rather be simple well I think it's also probably you're performing in front of hundreds of thousands people all the time and you're just like Jesus Christ you need a balance I mean you need some sort of an opposite end of the scale just to weigh things out very true very true uh you know I what about me I want me time you know chill time uh quit pulling me all these different ways and stuff uh certainly not complaining that's what I choose to do but I also choose this too well that's where Veil completely makes sense MH what so how long you been raising bees probably only maybe four years how what how'd you get started in that how do you start raising bees start with one well actually start with two really no um they're not like rabbits but they do

14:41produce quite quickly you know uh my dad raised bees uh I just we always saw boxes out in the corner of the the house you know we grew up in La here and you know the weather's so great so there's you know lots of be activity that's the bummer about being in Veil now not a lot of not a lot of be action going on it's too high it's too cold right uh and you know certain vegetables grow there but not a lot but uh in California the ranch love I love it I got a I had a friend who in his backyard he he probably had six hives and he had this one really intense kind of Rogue Hive where maybe the queen had some kind of strain of uh Africanized or something and her wife could not his wife could not go out in the backyard without being attacked you know W so he says hey can I go put my bees on your property so they can cycle this queen out you know they got some

15:38breeding in it was just off Jesus Christ so he he brought it out to the ranch he pinched the bee and then uh pinched the queen pinched it what do you mean killed it and then oh Jesus Christ that's a nice euphemism we didn't have to shoot it or nothing you know they hold still you know so he just grabbed the queen and killed her well pinched it because she was reproducing I mean they lay like a million eggs in their lives it's insane that I mean I I basically I could sit here and talk a whole hour about Beast because they're so interesting let's do it all right well the listener I'm not scared oh they listen they'll listen trust me it's interesting stuff so yeah put it put a new Queen in there and they they you know cycled through all of the other bees I mean they only live a month so what is a so a normal reaction when people go in the yard would be they would be just disinterest

16:32they wouldn't care about you as long as you're not interrupting the hive exactly but your wife would go out there and they would just get crazy yeah not with you oh yeah this wasn't me this was my friend's wife oh that's right I'm sorry but uh yeah I mean but he he's kind of used to it and she was not she was out to go swim so he would go out there and they would they would get crazy with him but he's like this doesn't bother me but she was like this queen this hive yeah yeah pretty much and there's certain things if you're wearing black they all attack you you know most they think you're a bear you know what yeah uh if you've like just eaten bananas there's some there's some I don't know a smell or something in it that is similar to their attack therone that they set off so there's a few things I've learned over the years bananas and don't don't wear black exactly that's all you got to

17:25do but I learned this stuff being in the be Club you're in a b Club I was in the be Club yeah in uh in uh in the Bay Area yeah we'd meet down at the uh American Legions Hall and have a monthly meeting you know wow what are those dorks like oh super into bees oh my God we would just sit there and kind of laugh about them uh but we're sitting there I mean we're here to learn some stuff but there were people up there okay we inseminated the queen with this and you know there were counting bees you know we put little numbers on every bee and we caught their flight pattern and how many were reproducing this and I mean it's all you know it's all uh like they're they're they're doing research on how to make the bees stronger because the bees are you know going away right but um you know it's this m this little veroa M that's killing a lot of them too along with the pesticides and herbicides but

18:22uh you know people that are so into it and we're just kind of sitting there going oh man what have we gotten ourselves into but it's kind of you know it's funny in a certain way but I'm glad that it's happening but uh you know I get you know at the at the end of the season you got like 500 lb of honey and you're handing them out to your friends and everyone's loving it 500 lb of honey that's insane yeah yeah and uh we're bottling it up my kids are filtering it we're you know bottling it up and it dude it's just straight from the hive into a bottle I mean after You' filtered it and it it really helps with allergies it helps with uh you know the uh whatever getting the pollin and the and the nectar from the area so when you take that in and it helps build your immune system yeah I've heard that so you've experienced that personally absolutely and I think being stung by

19:17bees helps you too it helps with with something getting your immune system built up to the supposed to be really good for arthritis they they take people like literally take bees people that are that have like serious arthritis in their hands and they sting their hands with it on purpose right I think there's some people that do it for their lips here in La I think you need people that are so deep deep deep into the B world because you're not going to do it I'm not going to do it but if someone's just so far gone they're measuring all their bees and monitoring their flight patterns and checking their DNA I'm just fascinated that there was a clear differentiation between a normal bee and the way these bees were behaving you could tell that the queen was kind of a freak but I tell you those freak bees the Africanized or whatever now there's a zombie bee and we

20:07we can get into that too but uh they are they are aggressive and an aggressive you know like any society they do well they they get most they produce a lot of honey and they they they're very very uh prolific in what they do you know yeah I've had killer bee honey they make killer be like we sell it on it I don't know even know if it's any better if it's killer bee Honey's better than regular honey but it's just pretty dope to have killer bee honey around your house this is something about yeah you know that and the um uh uh gosh uh what's this stuff called I mean there's there's lots of really cool healing properties in in like even the this the kind of glue that they use to plug up holes and you know uh the royal jelly which is you know comes from their like the brain and it that's how they produce a queen I mean there's that's what royal jelly is yeah yeah it's from their brain

21:07it's brain juice man holy how does it come out does it come out of a hole somewhere uh or do they have to scoop it out of their heads I haven't seen it that close but you know they they injected into the they injected into the queen cell or there's a cell that they make when a new Queen is being made um so all the bees that are flying around that you see out here you know they're all females it's a Hu it's all female Society so the drones that are in there which are the males they're there just to reproduce and then they get kicked out in the winter time and they die and they all die yeah whoa yeah man it's hard out there it's brutal brutal for us men in the B world so if they all die how do they continue to reproduce well there's some I guess that coup stay they they they the queen makes more wow so those guys are just dead the queen makes more the new ones take over the

21:59new boys yeah yeah and they're just doing work they're just they're they're just fertilizing that's what they're doing they're just there to and then everybody else is doing all the real work you and go die that's what you get to do what a brutal world that's the what a crazy world yeah yeah and then the queen Goes Around The Hive and finds the females other other potential queens and stabs them while they're in the hive pretty much yeah well they're they're all female they're all females except for those drones and then you know if there's if they're making uh you know she knows she's going to die or they're they're kind of pissed off with her she's not reproducing as much as she should she will take off with like half the hive and that's what you see a swarm so she'll go and form a new Hive and then these ones have a little Queen cell that they've laid eggs and start to make

22:51a new Queen so that's how they reproduce and if there's three or four Queen cells in there the first queen that born she comes out and she kills all the other queens so she can rule Game of Thrones type that's fascinating and you're going to get bees I can tell I'm right now I'm looking in my head I'm just looking at websites in my head I'm like trying to find out where to get the bees yeah that sounds like an amazing way to get honey I mean it just sounds like a really cool thing to do too ah it tastes so good and we've got you know we we we have a place in Hawaii so we've got Hawaiian flavored wine flavored well there's stuff from you know that they they get the nectar and pollen from over there and you know Hawaii is nonstop you know so you're getting honey year round what island at Maui oh man I love Maui that's a beautiful spot um so when you're how do

23:45you know that a bee is Africanized cuz that was the big thing that everybody was worried about you remember it was like the early 90s everybody was like we they found an African killer bee in New Mexico or something it was like it's coming up it's going to it's going to swarm they're going to take over the country in inside of a few years right there was a big hysteria about that right yeah well and there are there are states where there are more uh prevalent than others and they're just more aggressive they're more aggressive and they're they're uh they're they're very protective so you'll get stung if you're messing with them so that's all it is there's not that I think so but we there was a big concern that they were going to take over and that it was going to be that these bees were just going to come here and outbreed the regular bees and laughing remember that it's possible oh

24:30yeah for sure there's some great movies about that too you the Killer Bees but there's no way to tell by looking at them I don't know I don't think so I'm I'm somewhat into it but I haven't haven't investigated that part yet so these bees that came over from the perhaps Africanized bees that when they killed the queen and then introduced those bees to the rest of the bees did everybody chill out yeah so it was just that one crazy well yeah she you know she's laying the eggs she's uh passing on the whatever DNA uh but those the uh the uh the forager bees the ones that you see out and about they only live a month so they will die out and how long does she live she can live between one to five years oh wow what a bizarre culture really really cool and without them I mean you're there's lots of uh you know orange almonds all kinds of stuff especially here in California in

25:33the you know in the uh in the center uh Center of California all that farming if there's no Bees there's there's no fruit yeah what a bizarre sort of symbiotic relationship that we have with some one weird insect pollination I mean you would have thought that that would have been taken care of some other way right and it wouldn't be that a bee has to do it well there are others that do it what other animals do it butterflies and certain I'll tell you not just honeybees but there's there's probably over 3,000 different kinds of bees they they don't have a they don't have a Hive Society like the honey bees do but all these other bees are like loners they're they live in the ground or something and they just they just get enough pollen for themselves so they're kind of lone lone wolves out there but the honeybees are the ones that have more of a society I ra chickens and um this the chicken

26:30thing with us happened we just got a couple chickens and next thing you know we got this giant chicken house with 23 chickens and they're running around my yard is that the same way with you like you just kind of like slowly step into this then get deeper and deeper yeah it I mean just like getting your first tattoos like yeah wow that's cool I want more and then and uh yeah you just start to appreciate it I think when I come off tour it's like my head is just like ricocheting around in there I I go and I sit and watch the bees just watch them go in and out in and out there's like this freaking landing strip that they come in and they look so busy it relaxes me you know it's like wow okay I'm not that busy chill yeah just chill now is there a way do you have like a a glass wall in any way where you can see into the hive you ever seen those hives where they

27:23make them do do you have it like that where you can look in there yeah I've got one of the yeah well that's like a a display one where you bring into schools and stuff you can see I don't have one of those but I got a couple different kinds of hives and it's fun to see you know sometimes you have the the frames that U are already kind of pre-built and then they just deposit their stuff in it or you watch them grow their own comb from nothing and it's pretty amazing yeah how do you get them to stay there though like how does it work like I see those boxes and I know that bees do have hives in those boxes but how does it initially start well it's the queen wherever the queen is that's where they go so she decides to be in that box how do you get her to stay in that box uh you have a place for her to lay eggs I mean that's pretty much it yeah and she will stay and if

28:11she's there you know when they go off to to they swarm to go find a new Hive if you've ever seen a swarm up in a tree just like a giant like football size or even bigger uh uh uh a shape of just bees that Queen is right in the middle and and they're all just around her and then they send off the the scouts to find a new spot they come back say hey it's over here they do their little wiggle dance and that shows them how to get there and they all go there we had an incident once on Fear Factor where we covered these people with bees there was like a beekeeper there and he had his Hive and a local Hive came over and a group of bees came over and met with these bees and we had to clear the area out and they had to have a conversation like it's literally what happened they were in the air just floating around and then they worked it out and then the our

29:01bees came back and they went back to the hive and their bees went about their business they were just like what the going on you guys moving in here like what are you doing territorial somehow or another they worked it out though there was no B death there wasn't no be Braveheart war it just they figured it out had a good negotiator I don't I wonder what do they communicate with any I mean they using phermones like how are they smells smells and dances how they do it dances yeah some be will find like a good hey man I found like a a garden somewhere and they'll come back and they'll see him do the little wiggle thing it's like how many wiggles this way and then they turn left and then turn okay that's that's like a half a mile this way and then that that way and then they all learn it and then they go or hey I found some water here's a place to go so they

29:49literally can tell them where something is by their movements yeah holy that's crazy so it's almost like a like a body language pretty much yep and they all know it somehow instinctively yep wow yeah it's pretty bizarre there's a lot a lot to learn about those things that's really bizarre yeah I didn't know that they could tell each other where something is just by wiggling like they have like this means a mile that means go left wow man I'm I'm going to get deep in bees man what the have you done all right yeah and there's I'm sure there's probably a feel of like wow I'm there's a whole society right here in my yard and I'm I'm overseeing it you know there's probably a sense of importance uh but you know I I lay off them I mean there are people that are you know checking them all the time and this and that and oh you got to put the the certain pads in there to kill the mites

30:49and you got to do this and that it's like ah they're natural man they've been around longer than we have so just let them go they know what they're doing I don't you know who's to say I know what I'm doing with them do they need specific types of plants around them in order to survive yeah well something that they can pollinate and you know it's from uh it's good to plant you know what I've PL I've planted stuff that you know okay it blooms in the spring and then there's other stuff that blooms in the summer and then there's other stuff that blooms you know like in the late summer so they've always got something going on but they hibernate they hibernate in the winter no kidding it's like Bears yep so when you are in Veil and you uh you have obviously really cold weather in the winter what do they do they just shut down and stay in the hive and don't move

31:38well uh I don't have bees and Veil yet and I'm going to try and figure out how to do that but uh they I mean just like cattle you know you winter them down in the lowlands so uh I haven't found a place to to have bees go where there you know there's less snow but I'll I'll figure something out because it's something I love doing amazing so in California you have a whole Ranch like you have like you're totally like a prepper almost you're sustainable are you sustainable out there well water the whole deal you bet y wow that's a dream of mine it is awesome I tell you and that's a place I could just go up and disappear I love it man and just get lost just get lost in the anything get lost in detail I got lots of uh fun stuff up there you know quads and you know I got my welder and whatever I just get lost in things and I love it uh you know yeah you know hunting deer turkey

32:36uh stuff that we eat you hunt it all up in the ranch yep MH that's uh that's such a beautiful thing man I remember hearing about Neil Young's place that he's got some giant Ranch up there and Neil Young just goes and chills out and apparently he has speakers set up around a lake where he can be on a boat and push the boat out into the middle of the lake and the speakers will broadcast it's perfectly set up because you know he's a serious audio file absolutely did you ever see his MP3 thing that he created it didn't really catch catch on yeah it didn't really catch on for some reason because people are just so attached to listen to music on their phones now but it's it's an amazing little device and it just to to really put that much effort and intention into something that's you know not really necessary in the modern world just shows you what a serious audio file that guy

33:22is yeah he loves it he loves music he loves the know nature as well and I've been up to his Ranch it's really cool we played the Neil Young Bridge School benefit like three times and he invites people out there to the ranch it's beautiful yeah he has Buffalo out there and wow see Buffalo how many acres does he have out there a lot a lot 10,000 or something I remember something like that yeah wow but yeah beautiful you know yeah I mean for a guy like you that is exper I mean think I think you found like this really amazing and enviable balance between the arena shows and all the craziness of rock and then chirp chirp chirp chirp you know like you've kind of like ouch ouch slap I mean it's it's really kind of cool man like you've I mean and also like being sober like you've kind of like found this interesting piece yeah yeah slowly I'm not there yet but you know it uh more

34:23will be revealed you know it's a it's a you know it's a journey and I I've once I realize that it's just a journey I'm okay with it you know um someone on a another interview was just asking me hey you know back in the early days you guys released an album almost every year you know you've got like five you know Five albums in six years or something and what happened you know it was eight years since the last one I like dude there's a lot more life to do you know there's a lot you know vacations with families watching my kids grow up um uh you know touring a lot longer than it used to be you know back in those days we had this many songs and this is how many gigs we can do and then we're back in the studio so a lot is happening in life and uh everyone in the band is on the same page which is really a great thing um we've all got kids and we've all got other lives but we can't live

35:24without Metallica man it's just something that joins us you know we're these frakin four married guys that know more about each other than anyone knows about us maybe our wives but you know the fact you know Lars and I have known each other for 35 years wow even maybe 36 but I tell you that I've don't I there's nobody else I've known longer uh except for maybe family than Lars so it's a brother you know he's a brother I hate him I love him I want to kill him I want to hug him all that all that stuff man well it's also you I mean I I I got to imagine that you you guys have to realize what an unbelievably fortunate and amazing experience you guys are on M mean how many people have a dream when they're kids of being a rock star how many people get to be in Metallica it's crazy dude I I wake up every day and think I'm freaking blessed I mean this is unbelievable what if I complain once

36:29today punch me in the face you know this is stupid you know exactly this is stupid that I would complain about something um but I tell you it is hard at times being on the road doing stuff and when you don't want to do stuff you do it but then you find something you find someone you find a thing and it's usually someone in the crowd that's just you know I see myself right there it's like I'm that kid right there at the Motorhead concert looking up at lemy going this is awesome and so I just suck that energy and go all right this is that this is all I need this is all I need right now that's beautiful that was a hard one right when Lenny lemy died yeah cuz ly went hard to the end no doubt he really did he wore the brakes out wore the tires out sced right into the Rocks boom Oh my God yeah and he didn't want anyone to know that he was really that sick and he just kept going and God

37:36that's what he knew and it's what he loved and it's what he was and you know for me I thought the man was Immortal you know he was just this icon of a figure uh the you know he was the Godfather of heavy music for us and without him there certainly wouldn't be a Metallica certainly wouldn't he was the he was the Catalyst for Lars and I you know getting together you know that add in the paper you know we like bands like motohead it's like hey somebody else likes motohead all right ads in the paper isn't that crazy when you stop and think about that that's how you got back that's how you guys got together back then yeah that's how you found band members ads in the paper looking for a drummer yeah go straight straight to the H section you know all the the the you know the the uh uh uh the the classified you know pass up all the stuff just got right to H where it said heavy metal

38:35like well there's my ad and there's his we should meet there's only two of us well you guys have been through such a a fascinating change in music too because I mean obviously Lars was a huge figure in the controversy surrounding MP3s you know and that was like during the Napster days that was the time where everybody realized like holy something just happened you know and I don't think we realized it back then I think Lars in a lot of ways was one of the first people sounding the horn he was one of the first people going hey all this selling record is going to go away like do you understand what's going on here people are just taking things and putting them online and this was a totally new thing absolutely and that poor guy still you know he's taking bullets he's taking hits for it still still really where oh everyone who's got a beef with any other thing than uh you

39:36know Napster they it just gravitates towards that all the time that poor guy yeah he he got beat up by that and we all stood behind him obviously he was the spokesman for it he he he chose he chose to do that management said hey this is coming this is coming let's be the ones that stand up for arst and he took that he he grabbed the flag and said I'm going and there were lots of other musicians and people that were on board as well but they weren't as vocal or taking the hits like he did there was something about you know even you like a Dr Dre he was on board with it but for some reason in the rap world it's like well it's all about money anyway so so what you know for heavy metal there was some kind of stigma around you know you're you're an if you're rich or if you've been successful or something it's like we got to pull you down into hell with us you

40:39know don't don't be getting good now you know yeah so that was that stigma but there were other artists that would show up at shows saying hey man I'm really glad you're doing what you're doing it's like come on you know join us oh no I can't oh no career would be over like you you know it's so frustrating it's like dude do you believe in it yeah then stand up like yeah but no it will'll fall apart something will happen my fans blah blah blah so they they were concerned about their own careers and not the big picture of artists and obviously these days you can see there's no copyright laws there's no nothing man you can rip this and that and whatever and do whatever you want with it there's a beauty to that and a lot of creativity comes out of it but it it gets watered down it gets you know I don't know we we acknowledge that yeah there's an inspiration somewhere for

41:40everything but blatantly taking that and using it is is pretty frustrating to me um and we're we're we were at that point where we were we had uh such a following we had such a strength strength in Metallica that we survived all of that stuff um but there was a lot of bands that didn't you know uh they couldn't sustain themselves couldn't feed their families because of what happened and I think the frustrating part was no one really understood that music is our life you know if you take that if you take our like the way we want to present our music is part of the art like in in an album meaning like one song leads to the next song leaning well like releasing an album here's how we'd like to release it we don't want it leaked over here we don't want this happening we don't you know a present a presentation is part of the art like when you walk into an art studio the

42:45artist has been in there putting it together like okay I want you to see this first and then that and then you go here and you get bam you know that there's a passion behind that and when so someone just throws it out there and and it just it kind of loses uh loses an impact um so if I'm complaining punch me in the face but we have survived and we feel good about it and we've adapted but the record company certainly did not you know no they took a a hard hit but also you know when you look at the record deals the deals that record companies make with artists and you see like what what are record companies selling well they're only selling your work without your work without your creativity without your Creations there's nothing to sell that's all they sell but then you look at these in insanely one-sided deals that they cut with artists especially emerging artists they might

43:40be a little bit more desperate don't realize the potential especially the potential for income that they might have in the future I mean I've seen some of those I don't know there was that one that somebody said that courtly love didn't really write it that it was Ghost written I don't know who the wrote it but courtly love put it out saying that she wrote it but it was a breakdown of how artists make money from the creation of an artist or the creation of an album to having it sold in record stores to where the money gets extracted and how much is left for the actual artist it's pretty disturbing yeah even uh well you know a couple years ago we we got the rights to our catalog our our music from kill them all up till now we own it finally which is weird I tell my kids hey you know let's go celebrate we've got we got the master recordings We Own It finally and they

44:34were just looking at me like what the hell are you talking about you wrote it why isn't it yours right okay well I have a little talk about how it was back then you know you would somewhat sell a little bit of your soul to get a bigger something you know it was basically the record company was a bank and a marketing tool to get you where you wanted to be so uh you know it was a necessary thing at that time but it's great to have our stuff back and be able to you know we own our own record press how cool is that whoa in Germany uh one of our management people found uh a place that had some machines that were for sale and we we bought one and so we press our own vinyl man wow and we could kind of do whatever we want what color vinyl today you know or what crazy things you can do you know uh you guys can kind of do whatever the you want now right you don't need a record company you can do

45:34anything well it depends uh we have a record company we own our own in America uh or North America the rest of the world's a little tougher you know there's a lot of countries out there especially in Europe and there's no way we can deal with the distribution in each different country so we've cut really good deals with with other record companies that have a vision and have a love for Metallica and understand that this is powerful stuff and people love it and we want to be part of the family um but having your own record press is a pretty darn cool thing uh there was really inspired by Jack White uh who uh you know White Stripes Fame you know r on tears he's done a lot of stuff but he he loves that stuff he's pressing his own stuff he's coming up with with different ways of doing vinyls and colors and hidden tracks and cool stuff like that and it's

46:33it's just another way to get creative in in your career is vinyl what's selling more than anything now when it comes to actual physical hard copies of things I don't know the numbers and they probably vary all over the place but vinyl has never gone away and it's it's I don't know if it's coming back but it's more popular than it was I think there's just something tactile about it there's something great that people are finally understanding that you can look at artwork you can feel it and then the the the ritualization of opening up the player taking it out and blowing on it cleaning it putting it down setting the needle down and it's that's something really cool I just I came down to La a few months ago and hung out with some high school buddi it's like hey what do you want to do I just listen to some songs and he takes out the Kansas you know album puts it on

47:36and carry on our way with exactly I was like dude this sounds so great wow yeah and we were actually listening to music sitting down listening to it my kids got into vinyl they got a you know like an urban outfit or you buy the little the setup now and that's where they that's where you can get vinyl it's it's there there are some record stores out there but that's where they gravitate towards got him this little player and uh they just picked out some album covers they didn't even know who they were it's like this C this cover looks cool this speaks to me I'm buying this I remember doing that kind of thing finding a cool cover yep that's how I discovered tons of bands so they go into their room and you know I leave them alone for a while and they come back they haven't come out it's like what's going on I look in there there you know the record players on the floor

48:29covers and stuff strewn out all over the place and they're laying on the floor listening to it's like that is what that was me you know uh and my my daughter comes out she said Dad you'll never guess what like what there's songs on the other side like oh my God yeah it's not a CD you know she like she discovered some huge thing you know wow well that was one of the things that was not what is this vinyl sales outperformed digital downloads for the first time wow shows a significant shift in how people are consuming music that's really interesting man I tell you that's just cool uh uh in general uh the more ways you can get music to people uh the better well I think the other thing that you were saying That's is like it's a whole presentation the album cover you open it up the inside the artwork all that represents your vision of what you guys are trying to put out and that was

49:26one of the things it kind of went away with digital like all of a sudden there were no album covers or the CD was that big so you couldn't really there wasn't you know it's like a tiny little piece of art and if you're downloading it you're not even getting that you're just you're just getting the music itself that's it well and you would you would get you know downloadable artwork but you're not really looking at the artwork while you're listening to it on your mobile device you know so you know the event of sitting down and and and disappearing into the music you know being a real music listener not I mean while you're driving I get it it's it's keeping you from killing people on the road but when you go home and you sit and you just get lost in stuff even um like those the cheap fraking headphones man the little earbuds my kids were listening to stuff on that it's like you

50:16guys haven't experienced music like good sound here try these headphones on they're like whoa I hear stuff I didn't hear before and uh but just seeing my kidss get excited about going to a live concert you know they go there and they absorb it in like every sense you're not just he having your ears hear something and and that will never be I don't know maybe the freaking goggles or some kind of uh audio visual stuff will reproduce live shows but there's something about being that next to a sweaty at a gig and you know them pushing you or uh you know seeing someone headbang wildly or getting thrown over the top of you and there's just so much smells things like that that just can't be recreated so live music my daughter just like I can't believe that guy just pressed a button on his computer and he's singing over his own music that's not performing you

51:22know she discovered that on her own hey these guys are playing their instruments and they up they up a song it was so cool you know I saw something that I wouldn't have you know really cool like that yeah the lipsyncing thing man that when you go to see a concert and you find out that people are lipsyncing that's so disturbing it's just what what have you done what this is what is the point of this it is disappointing what is live performance live performance is supposed to be you're experiencing this thing actually happening you're watching this person Express themselves they're they're not they're not pretending you're not supposed to be pretending right are you pretending you're you you should be able to get his money back cuz you're not that's not that's not that's pretending that's not singing I've gone to see plenty of shows with my kids and you can tell it's like all right it the

52:17mic's way over here and they're still singing and it's like well they have to have the backing tracks cuz they're they're they're dancing and they're out of breath it's like well stop dancing and do the song I mean are you a dancer or are you a musician or singer cardio you know start running hills it can be done there you go come to Veil and and run up the 14er exactly it it it can be done but I've seen shows where there's that going on and then it'll get real you know like sit down on a couch plug it in acoustic and and sing at a key and like really try and struggle with the song or sing it you know it's like that's natural that feels good who would not gravitate towards that yeah than listening to the album I can listen to the album at home yeah that's why it's cool to just see an acoustic set sometimes from people you know just like it's as minimal as

53:09possible you're breaking it down to the Bare Bones just a guitar and two people singing or something you know yeah that is pretty intimidating I tell you when we do like that Neil Young benefit where it's you know acoustic only and if you're you're freaking n naked up there dude you know every note is like you know and every up on the vocal it's it's great I mean it's like when uh you know you go or you're going to be on a TV thing and they put makeup on you it's like why are you doing that you know exactly uh so when people see me in person they think damn you're one ugly man it's like no I want to be as ugly as possible to everyone so when they see me they go hey it's you you know exactly exactly yeah you're not airbrushed yeah you see a photoshoop of yourself and it's like you know they smooth out all your lines and you're like what the are you doing what you sometimes sometimes you

54:07got to do it or like you know if you're in a band like I am and the three guys get the stuff put on and then I show up it's like dude oh my God I you're shiny exactly it's like people are gonna go this band that dude's sweating yeah right right when it comes to the Naps or thing and what what happened with Lars I feel like there's two different things there's something there's what's really happening and there's how people look at it and what's really happening was like all of a sudden this door got opened up or this Pandora's Box got opened right and you guys were looking at it going well this is uh we're going to lose our our record sales like do do you understand that like people have been consuming music in a certain way you've been paying for music and that paying for music has supported all these people that are a part of this industry that make albums

54:57there's this gigantic thing behind it this is all going to go away because you just put a hole in the bottom of it and all the money is going to get dropped out but then the way it looks is look at this Rich you know he doesn't doesn't appreciate his fans hey man I can't afford your album right now is it okay if I just download it for free and a lot of people thought well hey people who can afford it will still be downloading it and then they'll buy it when they can but that wasn't really the case case was it no I don't know I you know I'm all for convenience in the technology moving forward getting music out to people is the important part but just make sure the artist gets what they deserve from it because without that it's going to become a hobby no one wants you know I don't want to see the paramedic show up at my house and it's like a hobby for

55:53him hey you know I'm not really getting paid for what I think I should get paid for my creation but I guess I'll save your life you know maybe uh people didn't relate that to their their career or something uh equivalent you know well I think because the money wasn't equivalent they looked at you guys like you guys are already so rich what do you give a there's no way you're going to be broke you guys made millions and millions and millions of dollars you Tour all over the world and it became the touring thing was the way artists made money then right right touring and merchandise and that's now how record companies are structuring their deals you know hey we get a piece of your merch and and touring see that's bizarre though the record company getting a piece of your touring to me is very strange and I've seen not just a piece but an exorbitant amount MH and that

56:45disturbs me well that's the only way they can survive now they shouldn't be around then cuz then you become a parasite because you don't deserve it I mean especially now where bands can literally become gigantic because of YouTube m didn't Justin Bieber become huge just entirely because of YouTube Jamie knows look at him he's a Justin Bieber fan he hides it hey me too first I heard him saying I thought it was a girl I didn't even know it was a I didn't know well I tell you the the whole uh you know would you would you go up to the artist and take that out of his pocket you know would you go into a record store and just lift that steal it run out the door with it you know would you do that with you know okay there's you know there's there's big corporations that are rich and would you go walk in and just steal their stuff I mean there's software companies that are

57:36massive would you go in there and just rip their stuff I don't get that mentality I don't call me old school but you you you need to earn what you get and if it gets stolen from you it doesn't make any sense it's it's hard to Fathom and what it seems like to me and I I could be talking out my ass but the record companies dropped the ball and the new record companies became iTunes they control it all here's how much we're charging for your music and here's how much you're going to get everyone's even it's like some communist approach you know and I I don't understand I don't understand that if we're an artist and we make a lot of money that's up to us if we give all our money away to charity or we throw it back into a movie that bombs which happen um that's our choice we're the artist we get to do what we want it's our party you're invited and we can destroy this thing if

58:36we want I don't want you to destroy it yeah the iTunes distribution model is a very bizarre one it's very strange how they've sort of they don't know what they're doing no one knows what they're doing and you know there was a system that worked and I'm up for bucking the system and making it better but it didn't it didn't get better it's like the like you said the cat got out of the bag and you can't put it back in man you just can't um so what do you do oh you got Spotify or you got something else where streaming is going to help get the artist their money and it's it's um you know companies like that are losing money a lot and Spotify I don't I don't I don't know the exact workings and I'm not going to speak for them at all but it's hasn't been figured out yet is what I'm saying it hasn't been figured out how to make a music model work and there's no one way

59:27maybe there'll never be one way again and that's fine but it's still unbalanced well this technology continues to evolve and change it's sort of in a lot of ways like Twitter like how many millions and hundreds of millions of people use Twitter but they can't figure out a way to make money with it it's a very strange thing where people just want to use stuff they don't want to give you any money so you have to figure out some way to extract money from all these people using stuff and if you have a streaming service you know and it's free it's a free stream streaming service and I I see some of the fees that they pay artists for music that's been played millions of times like wasn't what was that one song I forget who it was like the most played song on Spotify and then they had the numbers that the guy got for that actual song and you're like well where the

60:15is the money going then right like what well you know I we're talking a lot about money here there it is forel made two oh ads this is what's wrong with America looks like you're using an ad blocker yeah I'm using an ad blocker to stop this you Jesus Christ how to display here it goes farel made only $2,700,000 in songwriting royalties from 43 million plays of his song that I can't look at the ad because the ad block what what what what is that Business Insider yeah hey you Business Insider if you either godamn it you can't have ads just pop up you those are gross H that's frustrating that's another thing but that's another thing that's how they're making money trying to figure out a way because nobody wants to buy magazines anymore right well that's how they're making money not for real 43 million plays of happy 2,000 bucks Yik that's crazy that's a

61:16plane ticket for 43 million I mean it's nuts we talk a lot about money but it's not I mean it's not about the money and it doesn't M it's shouldn't be anybody's freaking business how much you make how much he makes I mean if you want to reveal it fine but why is there such a stigma around being successful I don't understand that people will just want to rip you rip you for it you know well there's a disingenuous idea that or the disingenuous approach to Art if you're just doing art to make money and that's what people hate people like one of the things that I loved about your new album is it's totally 100% that this is a real Metallica album this isn't just some hey man we need to make some money let's slap together some shitty ideas and make a Metallica album out of it and we know how to do it no it's a Metallica album you know and that's because you're creating your

62:11art you're not necessarily doing it saying hey if we do this we should be able to make money then that's I think when people think that someone's just trying to make money it drives them crazy because they someone people know in their head that that's not how great art is created that you might have the money might be a consequence of great art but it's not you don't say let's make a movie that makes a $100 million this is going to be awesome no the it's not that's going to be much of shitty CGI and explosions and a hot girl and the guy and the girl kiss at the end and you I saw it all coming it's been done before yeah it's been done before because you're just slapping together a formula and that stuff drives people nuts when you know that someone is doing something just for money so whenever money gets discussed people automatically get that sort of weird

62:57distaste like oh it's money that money's ruining everything they're gonna be doing ballads on some teenage angst movie next right right right well that's not hardwired that's for sure no no we're still we're still we're man we're we're still searching for it still doing it still searching for the right the best the ultimate riff yeah know but you're still doing it that's that's what's most important you're still doing it and it can be done I think when we were kids there weren't old rockers you know I'm 49 how old are you 53 when we were kids who the was an old rocker you know Jerry Lee Lewis is pretty old he's still out there doing it Chuck Barry's still touring holy you know but now you got Mick Jaggers going crazy on he's 70 he's still RI kid he had a kid how's that possible the last sperm the last survivor with with a oneeyed sperm with a ax wound across his face marches through

63:58the battlefield and punches through that egg I made it yeah goddamn pirate com but I mean that guy is still out there smashing it like I've seen him his concerts are rocking he's got energy not only him but it one person we get compared to the stones like how long are you going to do this is the question you right I don't know I don't when it's if it's still fun we're going to do it when not fun then we'll let you know yeah but yeah Mick Jagger the stones Mick Jagger for sure he's out there he's doing his thing he's he's all over the place you know the stones music-wise uh and the rest of the band you know they're they're they're doing what they've always done but it's not the physicality like say Metallica has so you know you know uh you know Charlie Watts is not Lars rck you know like you know right at some point your body is oh boy we can't do this for this long

65:00anymore let's take a break uh so keeping yourself healthy and pH in a physical mental and spiritual sense you got to do all that for sanity sake and other bands that are out there that are doing it that Angus Young is probably the guy where I definitely take my hat off for that dude is insane and I don't know he must sweat gallons every show and he's you know he's like this the size you know he's like a a little dude he is an elf and he's out where's that water coming from how can you sweat you sweat your body weight you know and he's out there headbanging and rocking I mean and he's he's up there in age to so that's the person we're kind of uh I guess seeing how how long can this guy go he's the canary and the coal mine he is man yeah but also how does he not have brain damage from all that headbanging like soccer players getting brain he might but he might not give a like

66:02that's the price you pay take some vitamins get back out there yeah well I'll tell you out of the big four uh if you know the big four Metallica Slayer Meade andrax these four bands that are still going and unbelievably after 35 years myself Dave mustain and Tom Mariah have all had neck surgery from all of this headbang surgery yeah what kind of neck surgery uh it was a partial disectomy in uh like C I think C6 okay so you had a bulging disc it was we pressing on your nerve was pressed on my yeah my nerve going down my arm I couldn't pick my arm all the nerve so it was like making your hands numb yeah well I couldn't pick my arm up did you ever do decompression like a spinal decompression depression chamber no spinal decompression like you you they put a harness on your neck and they stretch your neck out do they do that do you have one of those at home I don't

66:55you need to get one of those it's gigantic it's so simple it's just a harness that you put on it straps velcro around it it connects to a door the top of a door and you just sit down on a chair and it's like you're hanging yourself you pull it click click like this and it just stretches it like carries your weight a little bit on your neck you're still sitting you could totally that's it right there see it up in that screen I have one of those in my house it's invaluable it's so giant because it's the only way to like legitimately stretch your neck and a lot of uh spinal decompression a lot of discs and the pain and discomfort associated with it you can uh mitigate a lot of that with one of those things it's big I don't have to wear that shirt right no you can wear whatever you want go naked I got another thing I'm going to show you that's called the iron neck

67:38that'll strengthen your neck up we were looking at that yeah it's I'll show you how to do it this guy just brought it in last week I'm I'm I'm obsessed with it it's amazing and it's also good it's not like difficult to do it's pretty easy to do but it's also good for not just strengthening your neck but increasing your range of motion hey great but I can imagine they're all yeah after a while man yeah not just that but just the posture of your guitar you know right it's you know you're playing really low and you're down and you're B you know there's posture stuff but I I agree that making making making it straight making your back straight is harder now than it was you know leaning against the wall and thinking wow I don't want to be that old dude you know hunched over the middle of his back is like a fraking you know like the uh you know Hunchback Notre Dame or

68:27something it creeps in on you you don't even realize it's happening until it's too late then you can't straighten it back up again right do you exercise yeah what do you do I got a physical trainer in Veil uh basically keeping range of motion going core uh you know lots of hiking treadmill stuff like that um not so much you know power you know bulking up or anything but just trying to stay mobile I've got uh and I'm sure everyone at my age has some of it it's a you know a a spinal stenosis where there's you know calcium and you know kind of arthri arthritic buildup around the nerve around your spinal cord so keeping that mobile keeping things moving I go to a like holistic healer too who who's breaking up calcium on on fingers and toes and stuff and uh I'm doing all I can doing all I can to get up there and be Angus Young still yeah well if you're experiencing issues with stenosis too um

69:29that that machine can help that a lot strengthen your your whole spinal cor and I got another thing in the back I want to show you it's called the reverse hyper it actually uh this is it right here it actually helps decompress your body um it decompresses your spinal column and strengthens it at the same time it's created by that that see that guy with the black shirt that guy's a psychopath his name is Louis Simmons great guy we interviewed him uh for the podcast he's completely out of his M he's been on steroid straight since 1976 he's never gone off of them well he's pointing at that lady like something's happening he is explaining what it does to your back but uh that machine man anybody with back issues any back issue at all because what that machine does is it allows your back to actively decompress from the lower back all the way up to your um to to your neck area and uh it it

70:20strengthens everything and decompresses it so it lengthens your spine it it it stretches all that that tissue out and and pulls all that all the the fascia and all that stuff out like you you can see him like demonstrating it here when this woman gets up there see as it goes down it's actually pulling your back and that's like the only exercise that I've ever seen that decompresses and then on the lift up strengthens all those muscles and then on the way down it pulls them down I have a bunch of different things in the back because I've had some disc issues myself but I took care of all of them without surgery right on but it wasn't the doctors are trying to cut me like they that's their immediate thing like you're going to need surgery get in there well probably eventually going to have to have your discs uh fused I was like what like wait a minute I'm moving around fine like why

71:05how come how come you guarantee that it's going to get worse like why is it that when you're one at one state they never think well you can improve this with physical therapy and it can get better their immediate reaction is it's going to get worse so count on getting surgery oh that's what they know and that's what they're schooled on and uh I love the fact that you're giving them the finger and say hey no I don't have to go down that path I'm going to try it this way and uh there are lots of different ways to do that and unfortunately mine was it was touching the nerve and I couldn't lift my arm and there was atrophy happening and so something had to happen um but my back yeah I've gone on to I've had like you know ruptured discs uh broken ribs gone on tour you know singing with two broken ribs not fun uh but yeah the back man when it when it hurts you turn into a

71:59baby man I just like I know right you could have like a a torn calf muscle and you limp around but you seem to be okay but your back you're like I can't do anything my life's over yeah uh but all right we'll go see your your torture chamber or your your racks do you do yoga at all no oh that's you got to do you got to get involved yeah it seems like it seems seems like everything wrong like housewife maybe gay dude I don't care about any of that crap if it's gonna help me it will I'm I'm into it you know I think anybody over 40 in particular yoga is gigantic especially yeah cool well I I mean I've done things where you know okay we're going to ask your body some questions and here put this statement against your chest or here where are these colored glasses and you know here's tuning Forks on your body you know things like that i' you know I'm totally I'm an Explorer I'd like to

72:58and if it works cool if it doesn't work hey I tried it what was the question you had to ask your body you wrote it down on a piece of paper and put it to your chest yeah what was the question am uh am I never go full look at shampan full no didn't work right uh I don't know what the question was like why am why am I doing this why yeah why am I writing a piece of paper putting it on my ch something like you know am I willing to get healthy something like that you know us uh I'd like to be friends with my body instead of abusing it you know stuff like that so well the intensity of your performances I mean I just could only imagine the the physical strain that it puts in your body that's why I wanted to ask you about Fitness like you kind of have to be in shape to do Metallica concerts at 30 forget about it 53 yeah well we have we have PT on the road

73:55uh uh uh a therapist who will stretch us out do you know we're all different you know my back my neck Robert's Cavs you know he's this freaking yeah he's like uh he's like uh he's he's freaking Tarzan that guy he gets way down you know his Surfer calves and finger or his forearms from playing you know with his fingers they cramp up so uh and then lars's shoulder you or this one you know high hat right um so we've all got our thing Kirk's wrists and this guy's out there helping us and you know he'll he'll give us things to try and work on and um you know we all we all have to have our regiments out here it's like you take a part of home on the road you know it's not like I need my uh I need my hotel room decorated like my house you know bring my bed on tour and all not that but it's people that can help me out on the road you some people do go crazy like that right some rockars yeah

74:59I want you to recreate the uh and I've heard stories and it's kind of funny maybe it's true maybe it's not I don't want to continue a rumor but just hearing that yeah some of the guys in the stones will have their decorator come in and and they've decorated their hotel room like their home or something put their favorite things in there and all that and then they're there for a night and then they go off to the next place you know and The Decorator meets them in advance and sets it up at the next spot too oh yeah I mean I guess if you're mck Jagger whatever do whatever the hell you want you're you're 990,000 years old you're still getting chicks pregnant what kind of reality does that guy live in who am I to say it's wrong man you know yeah uh you do what you want and and feel good about it when you go to bed and wake up and go okay I'm all right you know that's the

75:48main thing you know if I've gone to bed and say man that was stupid or actually yeah the other day I did something pretty stupid that I got to call this guy and tell him but we were doing this uh oh what was it uh the guy Billy on the Street you know that Billy on the Street what's up yeah uh Billy eel I think his name is and he just you know he's on the street just running up to people okay like a show hey yeah like quiz shows like what's the name of adell's album no you suck and then run off to the next person you know really manic kind of crazy stuff we did that in a store with him the other day we went shopping at a supermarket and uh in a uh in a shopping cart metallic is pushing his shopping cart around he's running up to people going hey what are you buying today what uh oh you're making a salad hey do you want to get pumped up while you're shopping we got Metallica here to pump

76:41you up so we uh we press the play button and sand man's play and we're like yeah come on and we're uh Supermarket yeah yeah yeah and we're filling up their cart with stuff they don't need and ah and uh this one guy this one guy was at the salad bar and he looked like he just took a break from work you know it was on his lunch break and I started filling up his salad with peas and all kinds of stuff and we're throwing salad all over the place and uh uh I turned around to grab some more stuff LS had put dressing on it solad I didn't know that so at the end when we took off I just I wanted to just throw it in his face like it was just a dry salad and I like God and the dressing went all over him he's like you like oops that backfired okay we've gone a little too far you know I'm 18 Again in trashing the hotel room okay we're at the supermarket chill out James all right who organized this

77:38thing oh uh was part uh it's just part of our promo tour thing you know um and uh we're trying to do funny do cool different stuff you know some of these shows they you know they get wacky and uh uh I don't know if you saw the the Metallica playing with the roots on Jimmy Fallon playing Sandman on the little no I didn't see that you know got little like recorders and you know little you know like uh little drum sets you know little kids instruments that was a lot of fun so we're getting to you know getting to have some fun and kind of not be too serious about all of this you know well that's a a cool thing to see someone who's as big as you are in in a band that's just a goddamn gigantic monolith epic band but you guys are silly you guys are pretty goddamn epic all right you know Ian I think you know that well the fact that we can hear it is give me some volume what's the

78:41matter I'll put it in is it not don't forget my son the roots are good man they are a great band Jimmy Fallon is such a silly guy too we were having some fun definitely having some fun there well that's that's also a cool thing to see from a hard band too I mean you guys don't necessarily take I mean you obviously take yourself seriously you're obviously you're serious about about what you do but you don't take yourself too seriously we're serious about your art our art when we write a song There's it's we're serious about this but when we go out when we play live I mean we're you know we're not we're not the best musicians separately I would say um and someone might disagree but when you put us together something happens and we create something really cool there's an energy and I think back from the the very beginning like when someone up the song we just stopped it's like oh

80:01man let's try it again we can do this better you know and people said what the you're not supposed to do that dude they're not very professional like yeah but that's what happened I mean we're honest we want to do it better and we know we can so we're going to stop it and do it again you know uh or I mean just like the other day I had like this freaking brain fart on stage where we're up there and they play the one the intro to one which is like this Army you know all the war going on and then I start this thing and I started the wrong song I started Fade to Black instead a different song I'm standing there going um what do I do now and and like this wave of Shame comes over you like you're a bad man you know and and I'm looking over my roie and they're going not that song and I look at it's like okay I'll stop it and then I went to the other song and and then I'm able later to go

81:00up and say hey you want to hear faded black again you know you got to joke about it or else you you it's it's like you become it's like you got to expose your vulnerable Parts people people make will make fun of that and they'll take advantage of it sometimes but most of the times people will relate to it like ah he's human he up okay you know so trusting that there's more there's more lifeguards than sharks out there most of the time you know I think also there's a people differentiate the big difference between a mistake and someone who's careless or doesn't give a very true very true and that's just you guys are obviously very serious about what you do but everybody occasionally has a brain fart there's just no getting around it I've been in the middle of a UFC broadcast and I forget someone's name and I I've called their fights a hundred times and I can't remember why I can't

81:57remember the name and then for whatever reason I have to look down on my notes and there it is and I'm just angry at myself but just sometimes it just doesn't work and there's no Rhyme or Reason to why your brain doesn't work right sometimes so you're tough on yourself oh yeah yeah I'm horrible of myself yeah you you say things to yourself that you wouldn't even say to your worst enemy yeah I don't I don't there's no words I don't just it's just feelings just you you suck I can could have a show where I I kill but I up one word and one joke and that's all I can think of that's there's no way if you care about what you do that's just part of the program absolutely and that's a there's a healthy part to that and then like moving on from it is it's easier now than it used to be it would just like it would live in me for a while like oh dude you forgot the words

82:46to that song and then it becomes a mental block like you get up there and you go oh like a you know like a kicker or something you know the guy going to kick and field goal is like oh I missed that one I can't believe I did then the next one oh my God now it's a thing you know oh so fighter when Fighters lose a fight and then they come back and then you can see the the discomfort you can see the confusion and the fear and that's a that's one of the hard I think psychological issues are some of the hardest issues that people ever overcome and it's just literally like a pattern of thought in your mind if you just decide that you're not as good as you used to be you can manifest that even like physically you can do all the same things it is so crazy the power of thought the power of my mind is it's pretty dangerous at times uh and being creative uh I make up all kinds of crap

83:42you know like oh Lars is doing that just to with me I know it and then you talk with him later it's like what are you talking about he has no idea you're saying what yeah that's that's pretty it's it's it's a curse and a gift that creativity you know how hard was it for you to get sober uh fear was a big motivator in that for me you know losing my family was that was that was the thing that scared me so much that was the bottom I hit that my family's going to go away because of my behaviors that I brought home from the road I got kicked out of the house by my wife I was living on my own somewhere you know I did not want that and maybe as part of my upbringing you know um my family kind of just sitting graded when I was a kid you know father left mother passed away had to live with my brother and then kind of just all like the family you know where' my stuff go where

84:41where it just kind of floated away and I do not want that happening you know no matter what's going on we're going to talk this stuff out and make it work you know and my wife's of the same uh same idea same thought that you know her her family she was the invisible kid too you know so we were late a lot so there's no way we're going to let you know any argument get in the way or just you know we're survivors we're survivors and we're going to we're going to talk through it no matter how much and you know she she did the right thing she kicked my ass right the hell out of the house you know and um that scared the out of me so and she said hey you're not just going to to the therapist now you're just not talking about this you got to go somewhere and sort this out so that's what I did so rehab did rehab really worked for me how long did you have to go for uh well what worked for me was

85:40uh 7 weeks someplace like basically tearing you down to Bones ripping your life apart anything you thought about yourself or what it was anything you thought you had your family your career your anything gone strip you down to just okay you're born here's how you were when you were born you were okay you're a good good person let's get back to that again and then they slowly rebuild you and then I went to uh another they call them Aftercare places I went there uh to a couple different ones and they fine-tune stuff and get you integrated back into life because when you're in this cocoon and you're you're fraking raw I mean I was raw meat when I came out and you can see it in that some kind of monster movie I was pretty raw still I didn't know what I could or what I should or shouldn't do you know um so the the last place we went to was a place that helps

86:44relationships so they got me and my wife together and we'd see people separately and then come together and talk about what we did and communication freaking saved my life saved uh our family um and working through that stuff so very grateful for my wife she's the one that didn't ask for this she walked through fire with me and we walked out together stronger way stronger than we ever would have been before and you know my kids know my story my kids know my struggles and they respect that they respect me and it different way I don't have to tell them what to do all the time or just be like I'm this it I can say sorry I can tell them hey here's what happened when I did that and you know I don't need to preach to them they got their own stuff but now they now they goof with me I ruined my trust with my family and now by some miracle they are goofing with me he like Dad shut up what are you

87:50I'm like come on you know you're overblowing this you're way had to Dad you're taking up way too much space here okay so they help me and and I realize that there is help in a loving way how long have you been sober now uh 15 15 years did it start out when you when you first started doing it did it feel like as you broke through and you you you know you went to therapy and you got out of rehab and you you're going through this whole thing was there uh like a shaky leg period where you're like man I mean do I Know Who I Am anymore oh absolutely that was it that was that is you know the power of the mind and how how you know here's how my life works and to actually just completely throw that away and start over it's like well wait a minute who am I without this I'm a I can't talk to people I'm I'm anxious I'm shy I'm all of the stuff that I thought booze was helping me with or you

88:49know you know booze drugs women uh shopping uh eating gambling you know there's so many things that can manifest out there that it's it all goes back to One Core thing it's like I don't I don't really know who I am so it took years and years and years to figure out okay I like that that's part of me and this is part of me the anger the the the you know the quirkiness the Dork part of me all these little things that make me I got to hug them I got to accept them you know and quit running from him and pretending like I am some immovable object on stage that's tough and you know nothing can do you know nothing can hurt me but uh inside yeah it's kind of a a cliche saying you know the harder that external Shield the softer the inside and the more vulnerable and and balancing that you know almost like you're concentrating so much on the hard outside that you ignore the inside

89:52totally totally and then forget what I really want and then you lose yourself in that other that other person and yeah being in a band certainly uh accelerated that you know there's there was drink and drug and all kinds of stuff just thrown at you all the time and it's starts off as a fun little thing and then it turns into es an escape and then all of a sudden you don't really you don't remember why you're out there doing stuff I went on tour just so I could go to the strip club you know hey we're going to this place you know and or we're going to drink here and you know knew all that stuff but the actual playing on stage it kind of got forgotten about a little bit you know it was we get caught up in the Rockstar stuff and there's a there's a song on this album called moth into flame that directly talks about the how Fame can be this crazy drug and it can

90:46completely take you over if you let it you know you're searching for that thing that's going to save you and it's it's you it's in you it's already there you just got to uh you just got to find it and and accept it well you you're a very downar guy which is very unusual for someone who's as famous as you are and that's one of the reasons why I wanted to talk to you about this is because it seems like like right now you're you you know you can be you you're just and but what it seems like for someone who's as famous as that who gets on stage and you know thousands of people just going crazy and you're up there I mean that has got to be intoxicating and confusing and often times I feel like people are a prisoner to whatever image that either they projected initially or it becomes how the public perceives them because of all their success and because of the fact

91:45they go on stage and 100,000 people go ape what what is that like trying to like find yourself while you're also kind of worshiped right well Joe you're you hit it I mean it's the transitions from road to home are always somewhat difficult it's like there's a there's a PTSD that goes along with it you know you are like you said worshiped you know there's a lot of you know where do I get my validation really that's where I have to step back and say okay am I who these people say I am or think I am they have their own Vision or version of me just like I had my own version of lemie you know this this thing that it was strong and you know these people expect me to be a certain way and when you when they meet you in normal life you're sitting with your family eating or you're freaking in the supermarket you know throwing salad on some guy you're uh people want you to do

92:50the thing you do you know hey headbang jump up on the salad bar and out or something he Dude music does that to me m playing music with these guys does that to me but when I'm not doing that I'm just a dude you know and they don't want that that it it hurts them it it scares them like wait a minute um I need you to be this certain way it makes me feel secure so when you're not that I you know I don't want to sign stuff I don't want to take pictures selfies with people I want to shake your hand and I want to talk with you I want to hey who are you what do you do here's what I do you know people think they know me because of the music and all the interviews and all the stuff I get that but I don't know you so when you come up and say dud you know I want to know you because we're a disadvantage here but if you get swamped by people and they all want to take pictures how do you how do

93:47you handle that oh I I I got to leave I mean there's an anger part of me that I still wrestle with and things get stupid uh and um it's like it's a fight ORF flight thing man it's like I'm being attacked wait a minute you know you just get overwhelmed by all the people yeah yeah yeah uh it's it's just so weird it's so weird we're we played in front of half a million people and half a million people where was that this was in Russia this was in the Airfield oh my God so we've done that what the was that like uh um it was a sea of sea of Russian people I mean that's what it was that's insane this was in 1991 191 91 when the you know the curtain came down and all of that and uh Time Warner had a uh uh they wanted to basically get their foot in the door and so they were created a free concert uh it was it was uh ACDC us panta and I think maybe a local B band or some other

94:54bands I'm sorry if I can't remember but they flew Us in there we landed in this Airfield oh mle crew was on it um landed in this Airfield and as far as I could see it was a free concert and it was just people and we get on stage and do what we do but there were it was military you know military and the Jesus Christ look at that photo holy holy Jamie Go full screen with that just go with that one what in the oh my God that's insane is that it is that the one that might be something else but it looks a little newer but it says here is from 91 Moscow so wow that's yeah pretty remarkable and there were dude imagine the Sea of people like that and see there's a helicopter helicopter flying over people I mean oh my God what if that thing goes down man be chopping up all photo look at that go right up there that one on stage facing those people oh my God that is

96:02insane and that helicopter would come down close and they were yelling at people like stop you know people were moshing or going crazy they didn't know what that was they're like oh wow they thought it was like a fight they're freaking communist country man and they like wait a people are getting out of order this is chaos they didn't have the internet then either no way they didn't know what to expect of that so they they're people throwing you know hitting people from the from the helicopter and down in the front there there were guys in uniforms you know there was you know police military same thing you know so they're standing there in their uniforms and after like three or four songs they're like this and they took off their stuff and and they're out there headbanging and having a good time so we saw the transformation of you know a a a closed down Society to Freedom right before us

96:54individually in in people it was awesome wow what does it feel like to stand in front of 500,000 people what is the sound like what is the sound of their Roars like pretty massive I'm obviously you know I lost count at I don't know 300 and something thousand but I tell you and they don't speak your language that's just such a That's The Power of Music Man man that's a language in its own it connects people it is so cool so yeah we went to a place that no one spoke English or people were telling us you know I learned English from your lyrics like oh man I failed English just so you know I didn't do so well in school but wow it's pretty bizarre yeah that's intense yeah that is intense that's uh that's an experience that almost no one's prepared for I don't think I I don't think there's a a single being that can do that and not be somewhat affected by it or at least need a lot of

97:59decompression a lot of downtime to sort of sort that out which hence Veil yeah yeah it's like you go out into the mountains nature doesn't give a who you are Mother Nature will kick your ass you know and leave you Frozen and you know lost when did you start hunting well I think it started out my dad was a hunter I remember him you know skinning deers in the in the garage in Southern California here um ski shooting probably started with that ski and trap and then uh H went duck hunting with my buddy up in kaloa and San Francisco area and and then hey we're going on a pig hunt let's go and then so slowly the animal got bigger and bigger and uh really really enjoyed it enjoyed the the you know the guy hang you know just get away and and just you know get scared together you know yeah the guy hang is a big part of it right it's awesome it is so cool yeah making

99:04fun of each other and you know all the all the stuff that you don't get to do you know you just you just go and hang and uh yeah I like getting scared I like getting scared out there it's like wait a minute I'm you know I'm I'm I'm I got this you know 60 lb back pack on and I just came from sea level and I'm up here at 11,000 ft and I don't feel very good guys how the am I going to get off this mountain I can't do it they're like yeah you can come on and we'll carry you off if that's what it takes like okay yeah but the truck is you know it's like a three-hour hike to the to the a three-hour hike to the spike camp and then another two hour hour to the base camp you know you can do it and and stuff like that you know pushing you to to limits what you didn't know you could go to yeah I saw you had a guitar that had a kuu camo on it I'm like oh this dude's deep it's awesome you're deep

100:08dude I love the kuyu stuff yeah yeah I got turned on to it by those guys and yeah you know it can get pretty cold and scary up there and it's it's fun kuu represents to me this really interesting sort of uh integration of technology and uh almost like Gadget geek mindset applied to hunting to make the very best stuff y so as soon as I saw that you you got a a kuyu pattern on your guitar I'm like he's in deep he's in we contacted him it's like hey can we borrow your pattern you know that's pretty cool oh yeah I love it how often do you get out well yeah you know at least a c uh probably you know a couple weeks every year is what I get to do uh in obviously if it's you know elk season in in Colorado um and then there's deer season in California and turkey season so so do you get to hunt near Veil where you live oh yeah yeah yeah a lot of elk up there man oh my God

101:07Colorado has twice as many elk as any other state in the country it is amazing and you know from the house or you know dropping the kids off at school just drive up the road a little bit and be spotting you know hey there's some milk up there and you know where the kids go to school there's a there's a sheep herd you know just up in the mountains like wow oh my God it'll take me about 45 years to draw that tag but yeah might as well start yeah get those points up absolutely yeah so that's that's uh another good reason to live in Colorado right like you're out there near I mean mule deer white tails I mean that's a pretty gameer State yeah the elk I mean you know I like I like the venison but elk that's probably the thing I would eat yeah non-stop yeah people who have never tried it before really they I mean you can get it in a restaurant but you're getting it from New Zealand and

101:57it's not going to be as fresh and it's not the same but it's an unbelievable meat well pulling it out of your freezer and making it there for your kids I mean there's nothing there's no nothing more organic than that you know especially when you know specifically where it came from you were there yeah this is not mixed up with some other crap from some other Farm or something this is it this has been cut and prepared for you so I see that massive thick Bastard out your yeah my latest one yeah dude that is something where where is that that's from Ranch huh I should have let you guess I was going to guess New Mexico no that's from here California tone Ranch they put Rocky Mount nek in tone Ranch in the 1950s and because California it's uh about a half hour outside of Bakersfield so it's sort of like mid California and because of that it's not cold like they get snow up there but not

102:48enough snow where the elk have to struggle for food so they eat a lot yeah a lot of Mountain lines up there though dude they have a that's a massive massively thick it's a big animal yeah he was huge he was like 1,000 lbs it's a big ass elk but bow that one was a rifle yeah I've shot one there last year with a bow this year I went with a bow we unsuccessfully hunted for five days and pulled out a rifle and got it done in an hour yeah just I go back and forth with the you it's not cheating I mean it's it's hunting but want hunting it's the best way to go I I I'm a meat Hunter and that's the way to do it you know and how often do you bow hunt uh I I rote on my Ranch uh at home in California uh It's just tough it's tough with the black tail you know you got to Black Tail is a fairly small deer too yeah it's pretty tough I just like pulling it I like you know Target

103:47practicing and stuff you know I have gone bow hunting taken a pretty nice elk with it when it's the rut I mean that it's so amazing and it scares the out of you when that they're screaming that fraking froed Beast coming running down at you ready to kick your ass or you yeah okay yeah it's a pretty intense moment right um but I've missed some stuff so much and I just you know I'd rather use I I want to get the animal down and done mhm yeah well rifle's definitely the to do that but I bow hunting requires so much more discipline just it's a constant Pursuit but for me it's a great meditation just the practice of archery not not even just bow hunting I'm I'm a big fan of just I love to do it like I'll leave here I'll go home I'll shoot 100 arrows cool you know just to just clean my head out it's a good way to just because you can't think about anything else other

104:43than that Target in order to do it right especially when you're shooting at like 70 yards or something long yeah yeah so what bow you get I saw you got a I use a ho ho yeah yeah I have a a hoit pro defiant it's the newest model just a awesome bow this the coolest thing about bows is that unlike rifles I mean rifles the Technologies at such a high level but I have a rifle from three years ago it's awesome it's just as good but a bow from three years ago it's well it's like a little behind the times you know you got some new techn you could still use it you could still kill something with it but the newest stuff they the the technology and Bows they essentially innovate every year I agree yeah and yeah I had a yeah I had a Matthews from you know 3 years ago and I went in to get it tuned up and the guy says oh my God it's like you know a computer that's a few years old wow it's

105:37dude if you want to get hooked up with this if you want to get hooked up with Hoy I'll have one sent to you okay I'll hook it up let's do it I got I got a Matthews that I really love and you know who knows next year like you said the technology just the way they pull the way they balance and all that stuff that like you said with a gun you know gun guns have come a lot of ways a long ways too I got this awesome Fierce gun that uh you know Carbon Fiber barrel and it's super lightweight for packing in you know it's down to like six lbs you know with the scope on it so yeah lightweight good yeah if you're going like sheep hunting or something like that you're going way up into the mountains like I know guys who cut the bottom off of their toothbrush in order to save weight I mean literally they do everything they can they cut every ounce bring a toothbrush for it they you to brush your

106:27teeth up in the mountain you don't brush your teeth they're going to smell your stinky ass breath before anything that's probably the first thing they smell that's why I'm ins successful I know guys who actually eat like uh they'll take pine leaves and chew them up inside their mouth just so that their breath doesn't come off as some meat eating monster predator to a deer or interesting yeah all right cuz I think that's probably like one of our big smells is the breath right you know Bo and then your breath a lot of people smell breath smells worse than their boo right you got to think especially old old guy yeah old guy with rotten insides yeah all that Funk so you spray up you do all that stuff and get get I Don't Spray up no I uh I've used Ozonics you know those uh ozone things in a tree stand I've used that where they they blow ozone on you and it confuses the

107:17scent that's that actually works it's very bizarre it has to be directly on you and the ozone somehow attaches itself to your scent molecules and then when the deer gets it he's like what in the is this but it doesn't blow off all those red flags where he just wants a you know he smells a predator and he wants a bolt right yeah wow well like I said be you could see the results of it if you're in the same spot year after year or something but I never know if that stuff works you know cuz we're traveling doing different stuff different places all the time yeah well most of the Hunts I go on are spot and stock so that's not really it doesn't really right apply but in that sense when you're doing something spot and stock you just have to play the wind if your wind is going towards them you're they're just that's what they're designed for I mean they could smell

108:03things the way I describe it to people is like you know how you could smell a skunk if it got killed like five blocks away that's how a deer can smell that's how an elk can smell they can smell you like a skunk like they're like let's get out of here they they smell skunk they bolt you know I've I've seen them smell you from 100 200 yards out and they just catch your wi like boing boing this just Bound Away so brush your teeth yeah you got to brush your teeth bro thanks for the tip it's probably a good idea 53 I got to tell you to brush your teeth listen man it's hard to tell a rockstar to do anything yeah I mean that's one of the things that some people like about hunting is that you don't have to wash you just go out there and wear the same goddamn clothes for five six days in a row and that doesn't send off a signal oh it sure certainly will but you're

108:51wearing Marino wool especially like Bas layers yeah it actually can absorbs most of the smell so you think the baby wipes do good or bad well uh baby wipes Pro it's probably better not to smell like especially human smell like a fake cleaning product either maybe the fake cleaning product won't I think anything odd to a deer is probably not good but I think there's probably specific Predator smells that we ex you know unless you're like a strict vegetarian who also hunts I would imagine like you smell Terri you probably smell like a killer I don't know what they're smelling right you know I would like to know like if they could tap into the mind of a deer when it smells a person like what what alarms go off that would be bizarre like the you know like the red flag and the cape on the Bulls like it's it's not really red it's just something's moving you

109:43know what do they see what do they hear what do they smell um yeah I guess once we figure that out then it's really on how much how much did you have to deal with when there was that the blowback from that the hunt show you know uh it w it's like I wanted to get into voiceovers so that I took the gig no you have a great voice for it it was it was I didn't even know it was your voice while you were doing it it was kind of interesting like it it's you you you know you did it in a very professional manner but it it was a very it's a controversial show because it was grizzly bear hunting yeah yeah yeah and well you know I took the gig you know I wanted to I wanted to get into voiceover stuff so that was offered to me and yeah I probably had could have had a choice whether I did it or not but that's what that was and um I think the main the main headbutting

110:38happened when I did that show and then we went to go do Glastonberry which is like the ultimate like uh celebration of uh English hippie Dum and uh they somehow caught wind that I've been on you know oh he's a hunter and he did this show and uh and it was like boycott Metallica you know don't play the show we don't want that and wow you know uh so what we did was we made a we made this silly video there's always some thing going on in England where you know there's a there's something there's a controversy that's going to happen with this you know the uh so when an artist shows up they do something they they want something special is what they want so the fact that I was you know I did this bear hunting show and so we made this movie uh about uh it was a guy in England put this movie together that um depicted old school English hunt Huntsmen you know they're on Horseback Fox Hunters you

111:46know and off release release the fox and all the hounds go and they they go Galloping through through the uh the uh the the English Countryside and they come to a spot and they start getting shot at and it's these bears come out of the woods and they've shot the hunters and they become the Hunter and the crowd loved it you know they oh yeah right you know arm the Bears you know uh so it kind of just instantly diffused all that and you know when you're able to like we said said earlier make fun of yourself and make fun of controversy then it just it kind of goes away and then you just get on you know get get back to business you know was it frustrating when they were Distributing that picture that wasn't even you there was a photo of some guy that looked kind of like you in front of this giant brown bear well that to me just told them told me about them that they're ignorant and

112:47it's not even me so you know there there are people out there that want to just they just want to throw the fuel on the fire and make it crazier and get upset about stuff and uh you know um I I got no control over that man you know once it's out there you know I don't want to spend all my time justifying what I do or don't do and it it's not even something that I did you know so yeah it's a waste of time do you bear hunt at all I did I did but now I wear clothes do you HT bear that was really stupid man sorry I like stupid jokes casually do you hunt bear uh I did I went I went to Russia went to Kam Chaka and and and hunt bear yeah it was a it was a crazy crazy adventure was it brown bear or what do what do they have up there yeah yeah it was brown bear did you eat any of it no no I did not and that's one regret I have and I mean getting the meat I mean

113:52for some reason they didn't allow you to bring meat from Russia into America um but we did have meat there they had meat from other bears and so that's how we sustained ourselves out in the middle of the Kam chak what does brown bear taste like you know I don't bear doesn't taste great to me it's super fatty for sure uh this this was less fatty because it was you know spring bear and then you know they were out you know they hadn't they just come out of hibernation so you I wouldn't it's not my favorite thing so I probably wouldn't hunt it again because I do like to eat what I what I what I harvest so it wasn't wasn't great but we had links we had all kinds of different stuff there that they you know they were out in the middle links yeah what does that taste like tastes like chicken you know everything tastes like chicken uh you know it depends on how you cook it I mean it's

114:47meat and it it tasted like meat and we were in this little little Hut that was super short cuz you know it's really really cold out there and there was like about 8T of snow and uh yeah you're in this little Hut that's really short to keep warm you know and uh the the hunter the guides out there they had AK-47s you know we were it was pretty scary you know we took a a military helicopter we probably flew 2 hours in this thing that looked like it it survived world you know one and well it was wasn't around World War I but survived World War II and it was you know exhaust down the side and no seats and we're sitting on the metal floor and we get dropped off in the middle of this nowhere place and these guys have snowmobiles and there's you can't get around because the snow is so thick you need a snowmobile and the GU show up and they're you know there here's Russians with

115:45AK-47s we're Americans hi you know hey how common is it that they have these hunts out there it's so they knew what they were doing this is a normal thing they do it was set up you know I was like you know the um um through the Safari Club you know and uh it was just one of those crazy things it's like hey I'm going to try this and uh get scared and I was wow listen man you got to get out of here because I know you're uh you're supposed to leave it too it's a couple minutes later than that so uh thanks for doing this man I really appreciate it it was great meeting you it was uh great talking to you and uh it was just awesome ation well likewise brother I appreciate you and uh keep doing what you're doing man I will you too all right see you folks