Lewis, from Unbox Therapy

00:00do we smoke weed we're live already I asked should we smoke weed right when Jamie gave me the the the gun sign what's up brother good to see you man yeah you too man it's good it's good to be back it's good to have you back yeah this is like warm time though in Toronto like you didn't really want to leave that bad right now yeah you know what but I kind of felt like today out here was almost the perfect weather anyways like not too often times I'll come out here like I'm not a guy who needs to be in the heat you know right I'm not one of these people when it snows or whatever like I'm complaining I can handle it I feel like genetically I'm built for that environment well you're a Canadian that's right Canadian born and breed they can deal with it so yeah so I'm not I'm not you know I I don't mind uh I don't mind a little bit of the a little bit of the cold but today here in La

00:51this is this is God's weather this is like I I think if every day could be exactly like this out here there'd be a compelling argument but it's those hot days getting into the car and burning am I am I fired up today am I fired up this morning um this is coffee number three all right blame blame the caffeine the argument there's two arguments right there's the argument is uh if it's really cold out you could always dress for the cold but you can't really dress for the warm yeah right undress yeah but you could freeze to death it's super hard to heat up to death like you got to really up to heat up to death the desert the desert the desert will kill you pretty Qui you got to go to death Val I actually know a dude who died like that really yeah he went on like a sort of a spiritual Walkabout kind of a thing this guy Evan Tanner he was a UFC fighter former middleweight champion

01:41think I may have heard that yeah he was into uh these you know these long periods of solitude and spiritual quests and he decided to uh go out into the desert and you know just try to find himself or whatever I I don't know exactly what his purpose was but um when you get out there and it gets to be like 130° you you get disoriented and he couldn't figure out where he put his water wow yeah he couldn't find where his stuff was you know what's funny how about that stuff in movies and whatnot cartoons where every time somebody's in the desert they're seeing a mirage yeah what is that about well you can definitely hallucinate before you die and do you think that that's what that's predicated on is an actual history of people having seen these Oasis situations well you know what it is you know how when you're uh driving on the road and the road is really hot it looks

02:35like it's wet it looks like there's water on the road right from the heat waves exactly that illusion on the road can recreate itself I'm sure in desert situations it only makes sense right and it's what you want to see yes so you're you're like you know you're in rough shape yeah you create what you need to see you imagine if you did imagine you like almost dying and you find water You' be so psyched you'd be like yeah yes I mean I think that's those are the kind of moments that make people really truly appreciate life and I think that's one of the reason why people in LA are so spoiled and ridiculous is cuz they don't experience real weather it gets a little warm and then the worst thing they have to do is turn the AC on but they don't have to shovel their way out of snow they don't have to drive on slippery roads they don't have to and there's a certain amount of community

03:24that comes with everybody sort of bonding together because it's a blizzard right you remember those oh you sure you exper Happ all the time yeah yeah it's kind of a it's the kind of situation I think where anytime as a human being you kind of you have you lose a little bit of control over a situation whether it's the weather or something else you kind of take yourself outside of that realm of of how we like to compartmentalize things you know we like to like the epitome of self-centeredness is being in control of absolutely every experience you have and never letting go and the rest of the world around you as well not just your experiences exactly try it's a control kind of situation and choosing to live in a place where where you know can go wrong or or you can have uh uh a snowstorm or whatever is uh is kind of it's kind of an element in that it's an

04:16aspect of losing control over the space and and so what ends up happening you've got people SL sliding around you've got uh essentially people coming to the realization that the the planet can can kick the out of you if it wants to you know I guess earthquake would work that way earthquakes do work that way um even uh a horrible thing like 91 works that way it did when I was in New York I we filmed Fear Factor in New York like less than a year I think after 91 it was pretty close to when it happened and man it was just such a different vibe everybody was so friendly everybody was so friendly and so nice and uh I had a friend who uh blacked out we were all um hanging out in front of this uh bar and we stepped outside and uh a couple of them smoked cigarettes and I pulled out a joint I go who wants to get down with this and and they're like okay let's go they're like these producers like I

05:12can't believe we're doing this you know right and one of them I guess she just doesn't smoke pot or she just for whatever reason she took a hit and then you see like her eyes roll behind her head and her legs go down and she almost fell like we had to catch her passed out yeah she blacked out from weed I mean like it all just went do you think it was the weed or it was just in conjunction with kind of the drama of the whole event having happen no no it was definitely the weed because she was from LA and we flew in to film Fear Factor there and she just oh okay just had a weird reaction to pot for whatever reason it was space weed too anyway so we called the First Responders right we called the whatever they call I don't know who they call paramedics um firemen showed up and I swear to God these guys were treated like superheroes firemen and then cops came behind them and everybody

06:04was so nice and so friendly to them cuz it was at that sort of honeymoon period after 911 when you realized hey when when gets awful we need these people we we have to count on these people yeah so people were like more friendly in the city in general and then like really thankful when the firemen showed up yeah there certainly is a a kind of reset button effect when some kind of disaster happens where we where people feel like they've lost control even for a moment it is it is dude like I'm out here on the highway in LA or anywhere for that matter and you you kind of you have those moments where you're sitting around looking at all these vehicles and wondering how the hell this is staying together like what is like how is everybody on this path cuz it only takes one one what what percentage of individuals is that to like screw it up for everyone else whether you're flying a goddamn

06:56plane into a building or swerving the wrong way or looking at your text messages or whatever it is I think uh you know often we kind of we take these disasters and we we kind of hold them up you know CNN style like replay it over and over again when in reality there's an argument to be made that the amazing part is that it's held together as well as it is half the time you I mean well that's the the argument there's a lot of arguments when it comes to that but one of them about gun violence you know there somebody showed me a chart the other day of uh how much how many many people have guns how many people actually get shot by guns and who are the people that are getting shot by guns and how many the people that are getting shot by guns are involved in gang violence or criminal activity and then it boils down to how many PE I mean po that your chances of getting shot your

07:46actual chance of getting shot like do we really have a gun problem or do we have a numbers problem and it really if you look at the the hard raw facts it's way more of a numbers problem it's a 300 million people problem that's what it is and if you look at the actual number of guns versus the number of gun incidents it's shockingly low but it's just we're dealing with so many human beings and that those numbers just seem when when I don't I just don't think human beings are supposed to have access to seven billion human beings on Earth's worth of Drama and stories you know yeah you know when this when it comes back to the to the gun situation I think that there's you know the issue there the way I see it is like it's a communication issue in that I think you've got these different groups picking a side on it it is sort of relative to their personal their

08:39personal experience and how they've been affected by it sure as opposed to big picture like what's actually happening and inevitably what will happen is you'll have some kind of uh some kind of Coline situation and all of a sudden everybody cares because of the type of people affected by it of course but then half the year when it's a different a different group of people shooting each other then it's not making headline news in the same fashion so I think it's a lot more segmented I think that those the issues of affecting certain communities are more Community issues than they are National issues you know what I'm saying oh they definitely are yeah like look at Chicago right I me Chicago's close to you guys yeah very much so um and and the thing the weird thing about Chicago is it's really nice like if you're in the right spot it's like it's one one set of circumstances

09:28and then other side of some imaginary line it's a different set of circumstances their murder rate is up more than 70% this year from last year and last year was insane at least that's what I read I mean it sounds right I keep hearing about it it's terrible there was some kind of a Blog I was reading which was like based on infographics and all this guy does the entire blog is just following Chicago violence that's the whole thing and he he had it all mapped out he had uh every single shooting fatal shooting where the person was hit it's like an amazing amount of detail that that he went into on this particular blog um 72% sword 72% 2016 shootings up more than 80% 88% wow that is insane so murder up 72% shootings up 88% the first three months of 2016 compared to the same period last year man there was a video that this guy did he was live streaming his

10:24neighborhood and he got shot on video did you see that God it's up he just is hanging out there you know walking around and I I don't know what he was saying but he was filming something and all a sudden B you see him drop and then you see the shooter standing over him shooting at somebody else it's just crazy yeah you know we look at like Warz Mexico here it is this is it so this guy is hanging out here open back for the can't out here without the sto being open I need some what a duck and hat for C at least I'm a duck for cover is that what he's saying so he's listening music they po St back for the kid so he's wandering around yep oh and someone just shot him how many book what the this guy unloaded the whole clip crazy and that guy survived no that guy's dead as oh right well that's weird watching somebody die not really into that yeah I mean assume he's

11:35dead I feel like if that guy kept shooting like that it's probably his work was done that's what it sure seemed like but the weird thing is it looked like he was shooting over top of him did he die it says he was in critical condition oh so I mean by now he might be but he might have also survived so that place is a war zone yeah it's it's weird and I think I think at this point we've got enough evidence to realize that like at some root level we are still animals and when it comes to Vengeance Revenge everybody's susceptible if your brother your neighbor gets killed or you're somebody you care about you just want to go and do the same thing you know whether it's in Chicago or it's in uh the Middle East or wherever it happens to be people have been doing it you know I was um I was I don't remember who I was talking to about this but uh it was it was regarding whether or not more humans

12:26were responsible for killing other humans in modernt history or disease like which one was the bigger figure right and I was I'm sitting there thinking about it like I couldn't I didn't know but when I looked it up it was like shocking figures in the direction of um humans killing humans if you're of course you're including all the wars that have ever happened millions of people that have died but this is modern modern history over time who knows but I don't know if it was on a Wikipedia page or something you know the crazy craziest statistics I've ever heard about uh humans dying what's that of all the people that have ever died ever were killed by malaria mosquitoes the most dangerous animal on the planet malaria man I know a dude who had it more than twice right Justin's got it again Justin Ren he got it again he got M he lives in the Congo well he

13:12spends time in the Congo he's got this uh foundation called fight for the Forgotten and uh they go and they build whale uh wells in the Congo for people and uh he's been over there many many times and this is the second time he got malaria and one of the things he was saying is there's different forms of malaria and some Mal malaria will last 6 months some malaria lasts 5 years and some malaria lasts 30 years 30e malaria that's kind of like um kind of like that lme disease hangs around right well Lyme disease is devastating that's some really bad stuff especially if you don't catch it quick MH there's a a gigantic amount of people on the East Coast that have Lyme disease stff just stays in your system well it's from Deer Tick and they have to figure out what to do about that because uh there's a lot of places the East Coast that are just overwhelmed with deer because they don't have

14:02predators so they have all these deer and the only predators that they're having now I me the coyotes have kind of expanded their range and there used to be an animal that was more in the in the West in the Prairies right there's this amazing podcast right now if anybody's interested in this um my friend Steve renella has this uh show called meat eater and it's on the uh Sportsman's Channel and there's a new uh podcast or not new but he's been doing it for a while it's called the the mediator podcast and he's got this guy on named Dan Flores and Dan Flores is a historian and he was one of Steve's uh former professors and he has this book coming out about coyotes and it is fascinating the knowledge that his guy drops about coyotes will blow you away first of all coyotes are wolves it's a kind of wolf they're they used to call them Prairie wolves that's what they

14:54used to call them but it's like a type of wolf and they breed with Wolves most wolves except gry wolves because gry wolves have a different genetic line they had left North America millions of years ago and then came back like within you know x amount of thousands of years and so they kill coyotes when they find them but red wolves and some uh other North American Wolves that still survived those wolves bred with coyotes and they're creating this thing called a koi wolf which is like a hybrid of coyotes and and wolves let me ask you something is this where geographically is that happening all over the world all over the country rather all over this country this country like I said it used to be a small range of coyotes but due to persecution they've expanded their range and part of it the persecution is not by humans but by the gray wolves because the grey wolves are killing them

15:45so what what coyotes do this is so fascinating coyotes when they call out when you hear coyotes and then other ones call out what they're doing is they're doing a roll call they're making sure that everybody's there and when coyot get killed when coyotes are under pressure when coyotes get killed there's a reaction in the mother where the female coyotes have larger litters so the normal litter if nothing's Disturbed is between three and four pups but if they get killed if they notice that their numbers are dwindling their numbers jack up to as many as 13 to 14 puppies per liter per liter they're doing that as a result of being persecuted real time upgrades real time upgrades so one of the things that they've been studying this is in Yellowstone Park cuz Yellowstone Park for more than 70 years had no wolves cuz they had eradicated wolves they had extrap them from Yellowstone Park then

16:39they reintroduced them in the 1990s so they the population of coyotes during that time was exactly the same it was completely steady until they brought in wolves and when the Wolves started killing the coyotes CU they're gray wolves that they brought in from Canada the gry Wolves started killing the coyotes the coyotes expanded like crazy and multiplied like nuts and now the initial thing that happened when they brought in wolves was that the Wolves killed a giant percentage of the coyotes and the coyote population dropped by 50% but then once the coyotes started having much larger litters because they were being killed off by Wolves their numbers went as high as they were before and now even higher and now they've expanded their range so thanks to the reintroduction of wolves in Yellowstone Park we've got coyotes all over the Continental North America now wow it's crazy it's

17:27interesting that you brought this up up I had a very weird experience recently I was um I live uh I live just north of the city in Toronto like still completely urbanized area it would be like here to Downtown LA let's say and um I was going to visit my parents house they live roughly in the same area and I went past uh a place where I went to elementary school in a neighborhood houses everywhere a wolf came straight in front of my vehicle limping looked right at me and continued on into the back of that Elementary School a legit wolf I was like is this a coyote and I'm sizing it up as I'm staring at it so sure enough I'm like this couldn't this can't be true I never seen a wolf my whole life in this area and then so what I ended up doing is uh I went online and I typed the town name along with wolf and sure enough people have been spotting wolves coming into that area look at this my

18:26friends live outside of Edmonton they live in Alberta and there a big wolf was in front of my friend's truck today just walking around my thing he just sent me this this morning just walking around the street just staring at him that yeah that's a different kind of animal the way they look at you is they're they're fascinating but coyotes are almost more fascinating because their ability to adapt you know they tried to wipe out the coyote during the 1930s I don't want to like give too much of this information because this is all Dan flores's uh information and it's really much better distributed by him off of this me eater podcast you really should it's not the most recent me eater podcast but the one before that and today's date is the 20 what are we the 20 30th 30th of of April so find it find it listen to it it's amazing you you might not be into hunting and I get that

19:18if you're not a hunter it's not a hunting podcast that one is not about hunting it's all about the wild west and about um the animals that used to exist on the PLS and uh they're actually trying to uh set aside a gigantic chunk I think it's in Montana or something like that where they're trying to uh establish a new Yellowstone type of situation where they bring in a lot of these animals and allow them to live in a natural way in some large sort of um you know like a savannah type area like like that like recreating sort of the African savanas wow yeah why now that sounds dangerous to me well they're just talking about animals that already exist you know animals like wolves and bison and like loc local well they're trying to have protected a large wild protected area where they can't develop and no one can frack and you know that kind of yeah there's a video I put up the other

20:16day from uh I think it was in Sweden I forget what town it was in but they were lighting um lighting a lake on fire the lake has gotten so up from fracking that you can light the lake on fire so they go up to this lake with a blowtorch and they blow it on the lake and the whole lake lights on fire that's like that's like a bigger version of what the people were doing on the Taps right yes I don't know I don't know much about fracking I know the tap thing is controversial uh only because some people say that some of that natural gas that got into that water had already gotten into that water and this is a common phenomenon that you could you could actually document back you know decades before fracking ever existed so it could be that the natural gas which was already in the water right they're already trying to get that's what they're trying to get out when

21:05they're fracking right that was already leaking into some water in some places but that doesn't remove the possibility of fracking making more of that get into people's water supply so it's it's real tricky because they want to these people that are anti-fracking um they they want to point out the dangers of fracking and the people that are pro fracking they want to pretend that there's no danger and it's like there's no middle ground it's like the documentary on Netflix uh merchants of doubt have you seen that amazing yeah it's like it's all about the agenda and the amount uh of of money you have to further that agenda and how much you can extract if you can push your agenda you extract money and then you put it back in to continue the lobby or whatever it might be to to continue that conversation it's like when they talk specifically about how individuals they

21:56only need a fragment of information in order to to uh confirm their pre-existing bias yes like you don't need a whole story it's just like you just have to present the alternative argument make people think it's an argument in the first place yeah and then they'll pick the side that's more convenient to them like climate change that's a perfect one I mean there's this young Republican kid from my Jiu-Jitsu class who like somebody brought up climate change it wasn't even a conversation I was involved in and he goes it's a cycle it's always there's always been a cycle of change like are you a a Earth science SST dude like what do you do you know you just got out of the Marines and you know I'm I'm pretty sure you weren't studying earth science in Afghanistan like come on man this is like a super complicated issue that a lot of people that are they have Decades of science behind them and

22:43they're researching the the numbers they're trying to figure this out they got a consensus how come you're not with them you know I think a part I think part of it is the fact that the way we've sort of been conditioned via media is to feel empowered uh you know it's like you watch this you watch this clip and you think you're getting information but in reality you're getting a headline you know what I mean because that's the flow that will keep you engaged where you feel like you're getting smarter but there's no way in hell you're putting in the time to be educated on certain subject matter you're getting just enough to as I said before confirm kind of what you thought already and then go out and and pretend that as you mentioned you're some kind of authority on on the situation when there's other people out there that have invested so much more in their perspective but

23:34instead of admitting like hey I don't know too much about it or it is a complicated issue or there's more to the conversation there's something empowering about picking a side even if you don't necessarily know well I think there's something very problematic about headlines too like these gotcha clickbait headlines like there was a headline recently about Bill NY the Science Guy you know Bill NY is Bowe I grew up on that well Bill Nye the Science Guy has done a fantastic JH no no no it's not a bad thing about him he's fine it wasn't him but Bill NY the Science Guy has done a fantastic job of trying to make science interesting to people and trying to educate people on trying to uh make science something that's compelling and make young people drawn to it so Bill NY the Science Guy was having a conversation with this guy and the article the topic of the article

24:27or the uh headline said Bill Nye favors prison terms for climate deniers so you're like what the so like has Bill Nye lost his mind has he gone crazy so I I read this piece and then I watch the actual interview with Bill Nye he never said such a thing ever someone suggested that climate deniers should go to jail because these energy CEOs and these people that are spreading misinformation are directly harming the people that are that are going to be affected by that they know that they're saying something incorrect they do it to to distribute propaganda and there's other people they're going to be affected by so Bill NY says that's interesting when you're talking about these energy CEOs and these people are making choices that are going to directly affect our quality of life what do we do about it that's all he said I mean that's literally all he said the

25:26headline says Bill Nye favors climate deniers going to jail I mean this clickbait so then you read that you're like he's a fascist you know you're not even a scientist you know do you know where he got his degree yeah and who's and who's the type of Personality who's most inclined to pick that is an individual who doesn't want to invest in discovering even the article they'll just take cuz it's easier it's easier to take the headline and form your perspective than it is to invest into it well also because the the people that are putting that headline out all they want to do is make people read it that's it watch it read it get the clicks get the money that's where they get the ad clicks The Impressions yeah I mean that's the only thing they're trying to do and they're trying to make it as salacious and as inviting as possible yeah and and the thing is

26:11the only way to really combat that is to bounce is to get out of there as quickly as possible because because the way I understand it not necessarily an expert in the field kind of done a few things on YouTube but like as far as uh Google page rank is concerned if you if a site is getting a quick bounce rate like if people are landing on it and leaving really quickly then it would it it could potentially be ranked lower in the future because of that oh okay so you have to have a certain amount of time that you hover on a site before you get money yeah so no no not for them to unlock money but for them to surface in the future like Google will penalize sites that have low retention oh just like videos that have low retention that's very intelligent yeah but the problem is that you probably had had to read the whole damn thing to get to the conclusion that he didn't say it why I

27:02watched the interview itself okay oh it was video Yeah was was video and there was a there's a text along with the video let's let's let's can we we should name the site the piece of site that ruined your day okay well it didn't ruin my day the my if you can find it on on J because I defended Bill Nye on Twitter and I said that that's not his words it's not what he was saying but let's watch the video itself and if we watch the video itself you could see how deceptive it is to say that he favors people who deny climate change to go to jail cuz that's not what he's saying at all essentially he's saying that we should look at people that are ruining the Earth like these energy CEOs that wanly pollute these areas in order to G gain profit here we go let let's just play it so we could hear it D junor the environmentalist here at the people's climate March in 2014

27:57September he said that the climate deniers his word and energy CEOs belong at the ha with three Square Mes in a cot with all the other war criminals what is your thought on that do you think some of the rhetoric on your side as I'm sure both sides but some of the rhetor on your side gets too carried away I mean you don't what's your thought on jailing Skeptics as war criminals well we'll see what happens uh was it appropriate to Jail the guys from Enron interesting okay right so we'll see what happens if was it appropriate to jail people for from the cigarette industry who insisted who insisted that this addictive product was not addictive and so on and you think about in these cases for me as a taxpayer and voter uh the doubting the introduction of this extreme doubt will you go with extreme doubt about climate change is affecting my quality of life as a public

28:48citizen so I can see where people are very concerned about this and are pursuing criminal investigations as well as uh as well as engaging in discussions like this see that is a very measured response and he's essentially talking about people like the the BP people that polluted the gulf that's what he's talking about you know he's not saying that you know someone who like the kid from my Jiu-Jitsu class that thinks it's a cycle of life should go to jail yeah and even even if you look at the very end there he made sure to say I can see why people might think something like that instead of necessarily confirming that that's the outcome he wants to see yeah he's making good points I mean and you if you do like that merchants of Doubt movie which is an amazing movie if you watch that movie you realize that the same people that were working for the tobacco industry

29:40that were denying The Addictive effects of tobacco are the same people that are denying climate change the same human beings like not the same kind of people but the exact same people yeah that's a little bit much well that's what they do get checks there's direct checks from these tobacco companies there's direct checks from these energy companies they're getting paid for this yeah you know coming back to the clickbait subject I don't think that clickbait is always bad no it's not always bad like I think there's a difference between clickbait and lying right you know like I think sometimes clickbait gets too much of a bad rap like um in the sense of I think a headline should be intriguing it should Peak your interest should compel you to click yes which you could say is bait you but like I feel like navigating the real world is full of clickbait coffee

30:37is clickbait oh I mean when you see a girl on a tight skirt that's sell a Toyota clickbait that's clickbait yeah so so in that sense I feel like you know there's a place for it but I think people use the technique to to essentially lie and it gives the whole kind of system a bad rap well in that bill NY situation is not only is it click bait I think it's like he should Sue I not really but but he could let's not employ any more lawyers let's not get the ball rolling in that direction but so many people on my timeline were calling him a fascist and these left wiers are so far left now they're right nobody had watched the video nobody had read it nobody had it was just immediate reaction with his little information as possible for you to be upset yeah again I just the knee-jerk the knee-jerk response of the web you know there's like a lot of stuff going on YouTube right now I'm kind of

31:32immersed in the YouTube World in uh social media World whatever there's like a lot of drama that's getting getting rewarded recently like what kind of drama oh man like without going into too too much detail there's like uh there's a lot of there's a lot of channels that popped up kind of kind of hating on people yeah that's all they do yeah and and that's like the entire agenda is to use other people's content as the vehicle for you to have a channel M so like I'm today I'm going to on this video and tomorrow I'm going to on that video and so there's this kind of conversation about about whether or not that like is that still fair use in that environment because the understanding I mean and it's it's it's not definitive but the understanding I have of fair use is that like if you're compelling people to go look at the original like you just did with the information about coyotes

32:24you you took a moment and you said okay this is this guy's research or whatever so go check him out you actually did him a service there instead of the alternative of you could have just talked about and so on well in the case of these types of videos people are using actual clips from these channels that they're on and that's making up their Channel Chan exactly and more maybe more importantly there they don't they don't compel you to go look at the original because essentially they're hating why would you go as a viewer and go Source out this thing that this person that you like is telling you it's a piece of anyways you're not going to go watch the original right you're happier to to listen to this guy's on stuff and so anyway um the problem is that uh algorithmically it it feels like drama sells right just like in just like in the regular world and so

33:15some of these channels are rapidly growing rapidly growing on the backs of essentially making fun of people so there's some some sort of feeling in the community um that YouTube has changed or you get a lot of these people that are like make YouTube great again stuff like that but I mean I don't necessarily agree with that but I think that there is maybe a conversation to be had about um about how much Freedom we're willing to give individuals to essentially build their product on the back of other people's well that is an important issue when it comes to free to fair use like if someone just decided to make an unbox unboxing unbox therapy Channel and all their is just on what you do look at this dummy talking about watches that yeah that's not really fair use I mean they're kind of stealing your content and becoming something with your content only exclusively or other people's content

34:09like they don't really have content their content is other people's content content and you get like a few layers deep on that and you realize it's kind of like it's kind of a up scenario it and you wonder about what it breeds like uh there was this issue with the um the Fine Brothers do you know who they are the Fine Brothers I've heard the who yeah so they have um this really popular Channel maybe like 10 11 12 million subscribers or something Jesus yeah and they do React videos so oh so they watch something and then they react to it no no no they don't personally they have people on so it'll be like Kids React that it'll be like be like grandparents react and then it'll be like famous YouTubers react athletes react somebody's reacting right but essentially the the core of they been they've been doing this for a long time the core aspect of the the model is that

34:57there's this thing you're reacting to whether it's a viral video a trend whatever it might be while recently they tried to trademark the term react so that anybody who uploaded a video with the term react in it that they could claim it and earn the ad Revenue oh my God they must be stopped you have did you know about this Jamie yeah I tried I think I told you about this at one point when it first maybe like started online the first CH kind of thinks that they can own the word re so they launched this video so they launched this video where um where essentially they're explaining how this process will work for people they're like they're telling you that like you can sign up with us today and we'll license we'll license it back to you so you what so that who the are these guys so they're out of their mind they are out of their mind the story gets better yeah but here's

35:54the thing though real quick they're not the only ones so there's other companies out there that have already been doing this in quiet um there's a company called Juke and media and um there was a story this guy uh what was his name Devin super tram he makes like action action videos I don't know what you would say call them action videos sure he used a he used a title called people are awesome that was the title of his video for his demo real for for that I've seen that yeah and and he he un didn't know that media had already trademarked that title People Are Awesome they own it and have own how can you own People Are Awesome exactly exactly because they whoever's got enough money to pay the right lawyer God knows how it happens insane the the the idea that you can trademark those three words together that is so insane so they were able to issue a copyright pull down

36:50on his video and oh my God and uh and so that was acting as his demo real to get jobs and stuff like that and so he did a followup kind of explaining what had happened but uh so anyway getting back to kind of the drama component it's like people are kind of looking at YouTube now a little differently like wow maybe here's this completely open space where people were allowed to do whatever they wanted but like what are the consequences of that well you're putting out a certain type of frequency right I mean that's what you're putting out if you're putting out a frequency what you're saying is you want to own all the React videos that's the greedy frequency you you you threw out the greedy bat signal and you're letting everybody know you're a piece of you're a piece of and you want to steal money well you know the best part is that's stealing money right I

37:38mean it's stealing money if you make a reaction video you want to watch two girls one cup or guy get run over by a buffalo and they want money from you watching that video that's stealing what they've done is they've used lawyers to circumvent the system they've jacked the system and they're going to try to steal have they actually copyrighted the word react is this is this valid so they they uh they retracted what happened was the internet lost its as you would expect and these guys there were videos on YouTube which were live streams these were so funny when this was going on essentially what they were is the subscriber count of their Channel shortly after the controversy had hit and it would just like fell off a cliff like it should go to zero it never went to zero 100% go to zero it should go to zero it never went to zero they don't deserve anything

38:28what they want do you want to out to everyone the react in a video and you want M from them you you you're everything that's wrong with Distributing content over the Internet that's everything that's wrong with it you've taken one of the sneakiest most diabolical tricks in all the legal system and you've applied it to this open Free World of the internet and you're a piece of that's a parasitic Behavior let me ask you something that's cancer I agree they came back retracted it apologized them them them for even thinking that that would be okay I thought you were going to give him a second chance no chances you can't think like that you can't do that you can't you can't do that you can't go after people for it's not like it has anything to do anything you created yeah you're just stealing there was there there were some stories going around that they had effectively shut down like

39:19these small time Chanel oh my God completely like people who had these who are they again the fine Brother you can't do that man it was probably some lawyer talked him into doing that we're going to own it's going to be amazing you got it we got it dude we got the copyright yeah yeah it's a weird uh G that's so gross the idea behind going after people with it's not like this something that you created and you know they came along something like completely unique you wanted a copyright you know what happened was they were they went so far as trying to go after Ellen because she did she did reactions on TV oh my God so she would have kids kids reacting but you know what the crazy part you should go to jail you should go to jail for that CRA you up the whole legal system didn't that format exist before that like didn't did Bill Cosby do that dude I did a react a two girls one cup

40:14video like in 2003 or something like that Brian and I did it should have copyright so gross yeah it's so gross man but any anyway I don't know know I think um I don't know it's scary both ways because at the same time you're like well do you really want YouTube to come in as this massive governing body to stop stuff like this from happening well that yeah that kind of stuff yeah yeah I agree there's some clearcut like the word react you can't use react or People Are Awesome you man People Are Awesome is still there and still functioning if you if we title this video right here people are awesome we're gone take they're ripping us down instantly see that doesn't seem right to me that's just to that's like saying love you know what I mean like you the copyrighting the word love or you know or action well people are awesome wasn't it didn't Disney how many people have

41:07said that didn't Disney copyright uh happy birthday right well happy birthday to you the song was copywritten for a long time but it's since been dissolved now because he used to go to like to a restaurant and they used to have to sing their own like happy happy birthday happy they couldn't sing Happy Birthday to you we the IC somebody owned it so if you wanted to sing that s in your restaurant when someone came in they were crating a birthday you would actually get fined you would actually have to pay money let me ask you this I mean just because we're on on the topic how do you feel in general about like digital rights and whatnot like are you are you really fancy about it like let's say you had some content I know sometimes you have like musicians on here right mhm M and they kind of seem to me to be like a little bit out of touch with the Internet space m um and I'm just

42:04wondering like if a person is is is is purchasing or streaming or buying um something that somebody's trying to sell digitally do you like how do you feel about that what is that how do you think that should work selling things digitally well like let's say for example you had a record and and you found out that a bunch of people were pirating it right you go how hard would you be willing to go after them well see it completely depends upon whether or not what what your business is so I my feeling is that one of the things about music and uh you could use the same argument for stand-up comedy is that pirating in a lot of ways empowers people like like when someone puts up my standup on their YouTube channel I'm not into taking that down because I think that even when I was selling it I'm just not I'm not into taking that down and the reason being is because I think the

42:59more people see it the more people will come to see your live shows the more people will come to support your standup whether it's on Netflix or Comedy Central or whatever they'll pay more attention to it so it's in a way it's kind of free advertising in that way music companies don't tend to think about it that way and we had a recent problem that was pretty disgusting where we had an Acton and uh the musical act played they we played a small section of one of their songs and then the music company that owned that section of the song Wanted all the ad rights for our show for that episode and so you know we contacted the artist and the artist said well I'll I'll get that taken care of the music company's decision was no just tell them to not dispute the claim and we'll take the ad revenue and then it'll be fine we won't take down the video I go you won't take

43:50down it's a three-hour video we paid 15 seconds of a song and you want all the ad Revenue you and I told him I'm like look dude you get this taken care of or I'm going to delete the episode go yourself like this is ridiculous like that's some greedy sneaky that record companies are still trying to do because record companies have to justify the fact they've got x amount of employees in a giant building on Sunset you don't need that anymore okay your build your business is dead okay it's sorry but this is what you got you got iTunes music Google Play and that's it that's it that's your business now the real business is artists getting their out on YouTube and on on social media and then doing concerts and that's where they make the bulk of their money the ma they used to be the opposite used to be artists made the bulk of their money from the record sales and then they made

44:39some of the money from concerts so what happens was the record companies would rip them off for record sales and they would come up with all these elaborate accounting methods to F to to fix the the profit so they made it look like all their expenses had to be paid first before they counted the profit like they didn't take into consideration the artists learning how to play going on the road doing all these gigs creating this song all the time spent writing they don't take that into consideration but they do calculate all their employees all their expenses all their advertising Revenue how much it cost to rent their building how much it costs for insurance how much it costs for errors and omissions insurance all those different things they do take in account before you get paid so the artists were like there's a lot of artists had got unbelievably bad

45:28record deals like the reason why Prince had changed his name to a symbol because they owned his name so that crafty bastard just decided to make his name some sort of a weird symbol and become the artist formerly known as Prince and they couldn't do about it it was a really clever workaround for Prince but it was essentially in response to these devious practices by these record companies so in that sense I think like if someone if you have an album and everybody loves it and then people start pirating it and then it gets all over the place like some musicians I had Paul Stanley on from Kiss I heard that one that's kind of what I'm referencing he was super adamant about it but he's so old school man he's so old school he was super adamant about it that it's stealing well I get this vibe from those conversations that like it's almost like like these people are kind of they don't get

46:19they're wishing that an ecosystem existed still M that doesn't of course well he made hundreds of Millions through that eem but I think the truth is the hard truth is that at least on the economic side music isn't worth what it used to be worth absolutely and I and I don't like saying that because to me it matters and like I I engage with it and it hasn't like on a a non in a non-economic way it might mean more than ever now that more people have access to it and you can be exposed to so much more of it but on like a per song basis it's a there's a supply and demand situation now we have an abundance of potential music to interact with so there's no way that each song can possibly be worth what it used to be worth well there's no way because it's so easy to access now that's one thing and the other thing is the sheer numbers of songs that get put out every day they

47:15all exist now you could go back and listen to some Roy Orbison from the 1950s or you can listen to some that some new band you haven't heard of just put out last week they haven't stopped making band they haven't stopped making music it's all just adding up so like the collective pile of music is massive I would say it's accelerating because the barrier to entry in actually creating continues to be lowered yes like actually the equipment you need laptop that's it yeah you laptop microphone I mean you can create music on you know Garage Band 100% you really can create a good have you ever heard of Tonetta do you know who Tonetta is no Tonetta is an interesting cat man he's a a guy who lives in Toronto and uh he he's like this weird androgynous guy in his 50s who's got a kid who uh makes his own music and he got famous for these songs on YouTube this is uh him he makes these videos

48:16where he just puts up like a a a curtain behind him and he makes these YouTube videos and he sings these songs and some of them are good like pull up uh really big that's uh that's one my the right place to start but here's the thing it sounds like ridiculous right but it's actually a cool song like listen to the let's let's play it give me some volume Jamie look at this guy there's no money in this for him he's just some weirdo hanging out nice it's these are good songs it's a hell of a baseline but look at this video I mean this could not be any more geoc cities.com you know I mean it's so low rent he does it in his apartment in Toronto he just has a camera point pointed at him like really primitive he's got a bunch of different weird dresses that he puts on and outfits and it's just he's really strange but this guy he does it all himself and he's got this massive cult

49:41following from doing this all himself I bought his vinyl I have uh I own his stuff I bought it on iTunes and I bought the vinyl of it too just because I want to support it yeah and you know what that's a great point you make there um I remember reading something recently don't quote me I don't know the figures but that artists a lot of artists are actually making more off the vinyl than they are off the digital even though the volume is so much lower Just Because the actual per unit cost is so high so like big bands are doing Special Edition releases on vinyl and such to kind of uh get back some of that lost Revenue that's that's uh existed because of digital so that's an interesting angle to take but I think people are like you where you're you're you're you're kind of almost doing it not because you really need to have it on vinyl but because you want to support something

50:27that you like unfortunately I think it's a small percentage of people that do that most people if they can get it for free they get it for free because most people are constantly worried about their bills you know and then if you can get something for free and download it and no one's watching I mean that totally makes sense artists making more of vinyl sales than streaming services this is the article read well streaming services are the worst but are they they are and here's why they're owned by the record companies and they've circumvented the the whole selling album system right but isn't isn't it the isn't it the demand from the customer that is always going to drive the marketplace if people want streaming services sorry to break it to you that's the the reality we have to live well they want free money too if you could just hand out free money that would be

51:07great as well no but I mean in this particular case with music right doesn't music work better when you can just launch any song that on the planet the streaming services are profitable and they're making a lot of money now if the streaming services are making a lot of money the artists aren't making money an artist an artist doesn't need to be on Spotify PL there are plenty of examples of people who pulled their stuff off spot Taylor Swift me oh my podcast won't I won't put my podcast on that's easy yeah well it's because the amount of money that they pay you is ridiculously low right it's insane Taylor Swift pulled their off Spotify when you get a big artst it's like Taylor Swift pulling their off Spotify I don't know how much she made off Spotify the figure is maybe couple million or something but no no she didn't make a couple million I know maybe 50000 maybe 500,000 no no no

51:52it was so low it was insane I think it's somewhere in there that's for the biggest that's for like the biggest artist that exists on the platform well there was like we we went over this before where we play we looked at the one song that got played the most on Spotify and how much that artist got for it and it was like 2,000 bucks yeah it's a fraction of a penny per play but see my my feeling though is is the Spotify audience are they a crossover of the iTunes audience or are they a crossover of the pirating audience I think they're radio audience cuz it's like instead of tuning into a local radio I guess what I'm saying is in the absence of Spotify do those millions and millions of users do they turn to iTunes and give you the 99 Cents or do they give you nothing because if they're giving you nothing and stealing it right then isn't Spotify better than that

52:40alternative because at least if it's the pirating audience exactly and this is the fear that the this is the thing that the music business doesn't seem to want to address is that when Napster hit everybody was a pirate I don't care who you are I walk around and talk to people it was so Superior to any other method for discovering music even if you wanted you didn't want to steal things it's like this is too good right but the problem is this is not pirating because pirating nobody benefited from everybody got free stuff but no one profited what this is is record companies supporting these streaming Serv disagree with that well again this is not a direct but hold on let me finish my sense record companies created a platform a financially profitable platform to stream from that's a big difference between that and pirating because pirating doesn't have any central

53:29location it's just they're just floating around the only Central location was Napster right so nap Napster got taken down because of that but Napster wasn't really profitable like these spotifi they figured out a way to sort of circumvent this whole downloading situation make things streaming they stream everything there are alternatives to Spotify like Jay-Z's service title yeah and they're equally criticized yeah except that one is owned by artist labs and they have they have simar issues to actual artists because at the end of the day if they raise the price of their service if Spotify goes from 10 bucks to 20 people aren't going to have it well what are the percentage of people that use Spotify that actually pay I bet it's way less I bet most people get the free Spotify like the vast majority let's see let's I'm sure the the data is out there it's a good

54:20question but I guess because I don't think I don't think people are paying for it I guess what I'm trying to get back to is just this idea that music just simply isn't as valuable as it was and I think that it's tough as an artist again like and I can sense I can sense I feel the pressure of artist right now the way you're saying it yeah I know problematic and the way economically economically I'm not saying the value the inherent value in expression like maybe a better way to say it is the market is completely changed and dissolved and it's not that the the work is less valuable it's arguably more valuable in troubling times these are certainly troubling times and music is a massive source of in inspiration and and mood and enhancement to people and that's why I I I also I curbed it by saying like it's more import it's arguably more important emotionally and

55:08all the rest of it but I I'm just specifically talking about that I think and I think artists need to recognize that and then they can what whatever system comes forth for how to deliver uh uh the future of how we listen to music uh at least they're involved in that process instead of just being like like participating in the current one like it's like you need to be on Spotify for a number of different reasons as as an emerging artist because that's the way people are discovering music so there's a lot of pressure there to participate even in the uh even though you're not getting rewarded for it as an emerging artist but as an artist that already is doing well and established making money and you realize that Spotify needs people like you in order to legitimize its company then it becomes an issue right well our subscriber grow in the last 6 months of 2 what does that mean

55:58okay uh just 10 million paid subscribers Apple music 10 million according stats now Spotify just crossed 100 million total users a paying number could be more than 30 million why don't they tell you that but what does that mean though they don't that's not a real number they're saying could be more whenever someone says could be more could be three people could be more than 30 million but it could be like five dudes doesn't Spotify announc it's 20 millionth paying subscriber okay back in June of 2015 Spotify announced this 20 millionth paying subscriber with an ad-based fe uh free user base of 55 million okay that's a pretty decent 75 million total and 20 million paying subscribers huh see the problem is too they can they like if you have a podcast on it they can get rid of your ads they could put their own on it they can do what they want listen I'm not I'm not

56:50making an argument for Spotify I'm just like I just it piqued my interest in the number of a number of times that it's being discussed is like I think yeah big artists they can take a stand Taylor Swift can take a stand she doesn't need the 500,000 bucks but if you look at those numbers like those numbers that's a lot of money you're you're talking about 75 million people so 50 whatever they are 50 million they're using ad revenue and then the other 25 million they're actually paying for the service that's an insane amount of money 75 million people paying $10 a month but you can see or 25 million people paying $10 a month and then the other just getting their ad revenue from that's a lot of people yeah but you can see you can see the breakdown it's not like uh it's not like hand over fist they're making money like right but it's still the record companies like the

57:37record companies are the ones that are in charge of this like they're they're massive contributors to these these companies yeah of course so they figured out a new way to not pay artists and to stay open stay valid artist yeah artists appear to be people that get taken advantage of have been for the last years the Jay-Z thing is a great thing like to have artists doing it but see he see he was charging more and every and that's why they're user based they're in they're in trouble he apparently they're in trouble because they couldn't build a substantial user base at the cost they wanted to get how much is he charging well what is it it was like 20 bucks yeah but it's higher quality you're getting two yeah so higher quality audio Yeah like lossless audio higher quality audio 20 people don't care about that though which is the issue rather pay for free or get they

58:22just get the 320 kilobyte cuz you can't hear the difference hard to well I had an amp once that I attached to my iPod I had an iPod and then an iPod amp I set it up once never use it again was like it's barely better convenience that's that's the thing convenience in many ways Trump's quality trumps your uh well that's the beauty of iTunes and then Apple's music streaming service well see but in the in the case of iTunes you can make the argument like Apple's then involved in the promotion of your business right cuz they're getting a huge chunk yeah they're the biggest distrib of all music right now if if you want to break it down that way not no CDs are being sold at like Best Buy unless you can really search really hard and find the one Best Buy the has yeah who the has CDs anymore I threw a CD I had a white striped CD in my office and I was cleaning out my

59:09office and I was sitting on my desk I'm like I'm just going to throw this out I have it on my phone why would I why I want a stupid copy of it that I'm not going to plug in anywhere here's the thought on that though I've been having a lot recently because I've seen some things happen if all of the music you like let's say pick your 10 favorite albums of all time you don't have them a physical copy of but you have like the you have them saved on your Apple your IM music whatever it is whatever service you pick if it's all in the cloud they can technically go change that music whenever they choose to change it yeah Kanye West has been doing something really recently right now where he put out an album on tile last month and for about a month they were kind of tweaking it they were changing the mastering on it they were changing the featured artists on it even on one song oh so

59:49while it was up he was tweaking it he's gone back on another album that's already been out for a long time now and changed some of the mastering on two of those songs songs and some people think he might be doing more no one knows but it's a thought that I've been having that um one of my favorite albums I went to go back and find that the track order is out of it's out of order now some of the songs are missing it's because that artist has decided not to have the version of that album up on or on Spotify the way it originally was so if you wanted to have that album you need to own it the way the way he put it out in 2011 or you never have that actual album you have what whatever they have existing in the cloud and that's what you have the future fascinating that's some deep see I I support someone being able to do that cuz that's kind of interesting like what he's doing by

60:33changing the mastering and adding new tracks and around with things it actually is compelling like it makes you want to kind of tune into it and it's very intelligent on his part I think he does like as dumb as that dude is and as egocentric as that dude is he's so ridiculous but he makes some really good moves like when he goes on this massive rant about Bill Cosby being innocent right before he releases his I mean it's it's a a classic troll yeah it's a little too much for me most of the time but he's so entwined in the world of hate though he has so much hate coming at him it almost makes sense to cultivate that hate and use it like Judo it in the right direction he knows what he's doing for sure 100% knows what's going to happen when he tweets something crazy yeah I mean look do you really think he thinks Bill Cosby's innocent get the out of here nobody thinks

61:21Bill Cosby's innocent even Bill Cosby sitting around with his one good eye going maybe did rape those girls even he is like coming to terms with the fact that he might be a piece of his wife left him I mean even that crazy wife of his smiled through all those interviews she's like I'm ghost she a dark that's dark you look at those interviews and you watch her mhm like she's smiling she knows something she knows something's up well she's been protected by royalty for so long because he existed as a celebrity in a strange time when an artist can get away with almost anything I mean you were in a bubble you were different and I think that being in a bubble and also I think for a guy like you or I to try to even understand what it's like to be as famous as Bill Cosby it's impossible I think it's probably an unmanageable level of Fame at a certain point in his

62:10life you know especially when he had Bill Cosby himself and The Cosby Show on NBC he was royalty man and during that time he was inviting these girls to come over and read scripts and suck his dick and drugging them and they'd wake up with their panties down by their ankles and cing their hair they didn't know what the was going on and he just got away with it over and over and over again and because he got away with it and because the way people treated him it sort of fostered this re really crazy sociopathic behavior that he had yeah did he where does that stand oh he's going to jail oh he is oh yeah they're going to they're they're trying him man it's he's going the criminal case is going to go go forward the judge already ruled that like she had signed some saying that she couldn't uh testify against him that she wouldn't bring charges and then she wouldn't

62:58reveal the details of the case but then she did reveal the details of the case so you know what he did he sued her so he's suing her for going back on her deal because he paid her off I think he paid her like several million dollars whoa to keep her mouth shut and because she is now talking about it now he's suing her for that money back and the argument was that because they had made this deal he shouldn't be able to be prosecut but unfortunately for him the deal that he had made was a verbal deal only there was nothing written down this is one of the thing the do the judge had said like you got to get this written down dude we're going to trial so he's he's going to be charged and it was they recently announced it over the last couple of days that they're charging him and there's a criminal case and that I mean he's an old old man with half an eyeball would that be a jury in

63:51that case that's a good question or a judge I don't know that's a very good question because you got to wonder being a juror up against Bill Cosby I don't think anybody would think that he's innocent at this point in time I don't think anybody thinks he's innocent right I think it's the waters completely tainted in in a way except for Kanye West I don't he believes it I think in a way what they're doing well Chuck D that was one of the saddest Chuck D was calling him Dr Cosby why is that I don't know because of the show was he a doctor on the show he's a doctor like an honorary degree they retracted so he was calling them from Public Enemy what is with those titles you know like you're a doctor so everywhere you go everyone has to call you doctor he actually wanted people to call him Dr Cosby that was one of his things he's a weird guy man I've told the story before but I'll tell it

64:43again just for you there was a show that I did in Seattle the Seattle area this casino and one of the people that was working there said that Cosby used to have these people sit down before the show he had the all the employ like the ushers the door people they sit down and watch him eat dinner he would sit there and eat Curry and they had to watch him they stand in the room and watch him eat like before the show watch him watch him eat that's one of his things he wanted people to watch him eat his Curry so he would sit down there and eat and they would all just stand there and say nothing they weren't allowed to talk they sit down there and watch him eat and he also had security guards tuck him in bed at night like he would go and lay down in his bed and he wanted them to tuck him in shut the ask you this let me ask you this is this the case of just a severely up

65:31individual or is this the case of of a relatively normal individual getting up by circumstances like being this super famous you're you're responsible for getting up if you're a normal person and you get Super Famous and you become up you are responsible it's but a high percentage do though yeah but not in that way that's that's an extreme version of it that's a different kind of way ego ego might get in the way and trip off a lot of people might trip over the dick of ego it's that's I saw when um when Prince died recently I saw an infographic I don't even know maybe you tweeted it about the average age of male pop stars when they die I don't know where I don't know who who tweeted it it was like it he was the exact age 55 whatever age he was 54 somewhere in there that that's the average age for a male popar female wasn't too different either well his situation was he was

66:22addicted to painkill pain pillar pain pill just recently came out that he he had uh he overdosed but he had been refusing treatment for AIDS as well is that true I don't know if that's true yeah let's let's look that up but I know for sure he um had a hip issue like a severe hip uh problem that he probably need hip surgery he was taking pain medication and he had had overdosed on paid medication yeah yeah know he was definitely addicted to pain medication as well I just real I just remember a story coming out shortly after about HIV that he had believed that that he he wasn't going to take treatment Prince suffered from AIDS but refused treatment as he belied God would cure him us taboy claims see yeah see that's uh us taboy claims but he was a Christian Scientist wasn't he or a Jehovah's Witness Jehovah and Jehovah's Witness don't use they don't medicine

67:12right isn't that what's going on cuz he cuz he got wait a minute then how the is he taking pain pills then yeah supposedly he was on opiates too so I don't think that that's pain pills yeah that doesn't make that logic doesn't make sense I suppose well people are just convenient with their logic aren't they yeah he was a weird guy man like first of all Prince was like androgynous and he's all about free love and he more high heels but he didn't like gay people do you know one of the things that Prince I mean Prince is like a known homophobe and one of the things that he said in a recent interview and I I hate to disparage him in his death CU he was a brilliant artist and all that good stuff but he was talking about how one of the problems with the world today is that God set all these rules and then you know people just decide they want to stick their dick in this hole or that

67:52hole and just do anything they want to do and you can't do that and they were asking him about gay marriage and you know he was saying that this is not what God wanted this is not what God asked for like see if you can find the exact quote because it was pretty disturbing coming from a guy that you expect because of his sort of androgynous nature and how weird and odd he was do you think he's like going further in that direction because he's getting older no no no no I meant just maybe because of his actual personal experience like like in a way you know some people they overcompensate on one side honestly I think with Prince what the based on what I've seen of his interviews I think he was insanely sheltered because he was so famous and that he could basically say anything and nobody would disagree with him and he he cultivated some really wacky opinions first of all he

68:41believed that the government was spraying things in the sky that made people fight in the ghetto I remember that I heard that in interview yeah yeah it's insane he was like everybody would be fine and then they would be spraying in the sky and then be why is everybody fighting why are we all fighting cuz you're poor and you're living in the ghetto and there's crime and that's just what happens in crime riddled areas there's violence it's not the government spraying the sky like what a random thing to do the government just decided to spray the entire city and and then hope that everybody beat the out of each other for what purpose very convenient they have money in ambulances like where where's the where's the profit margin in this spend millions of dollars spraying the sky with anger chemicals and what chemicals have been proven to make people angry when you sprayed from the sky um yeah

69:26whiskey Vapor they'd probably be more and hugging I mean what percentage of people actually get angry when they get drunk there's another one because think about all the people that go to bars right yeah you get a bar filled with people you got a thousand people in there how many of them become angry when they're drunk it's not even one it's a small percentage it's a very rare thing that people get super angry and violent because they're drunk most like I get happy same when I'm drunk I'm hugging and laughing I might get a little obnoxious but I'm not mean I'm definitely not looking to start fights so yeah that's a weird one I think um some people will say like hey that's that guy's an angry drunk like you heard some people are yeah you've heard that before but is that just maybe who they are all the time I think there's there's deep-seated yeah and then the alcohol

70:15sort of chuses it out of them maybe I well the alcohol releases your inhibitions and you're angry what does it say prince denies anti-gay rights remarks New York a stands by story this is from 2008 yeah but see the problem is they quoted him it was like there were direct quotes yeah he he well as far as this story came out I'm assuming when he died a lot of quotes came out of stuff he said and this this story which I traced back which is when he was still alive obviously he came out after this story came out in the New Yorkers said he was grossly misquoted and they took everything he said out of context they stood by their story however well let's read the context though I mean even when you read the actual quote itself here's the quote it's it's up a little bit higher there we go he goes you got the Republicans basically they want to live according to the Bible but there's a

70:58problem with interpretation uh and you've got some Churches some people basically doing things and saying it comes from here but it doesn't then you got the opposite of the spectrum you got blue you got the Democrats and they're like you could do whatever you want gay marriage whatever but neither of them is right um asked about his perspective on social issues gay marriage abortion Prince tapped his Bible and said God came to Earth and saw people sticking it wherever and doing it with whatever and he just cleared it off out he was like enough okay that's hilarious because a lot of people each other in the ass listening to let's go crazy I mean how many how many people how many people sucked to because it was like we're going to party like it's 1999 and they just said it I'll just do Ecstasy in my right you know I mean it's I think he's sheltered or he was sheltered and I

71:50think he's a brilliant like like the outlier of outliers when it comes to brilliant artists and I think that you just you're by yourself too L too much you don't you don't get to mingle you don't get to hang with people you don't have real conversations but that's why I say like even in the case of Bill Cosby are we looking at a condition of the circumstance because if we have this data that says hey pop stars are dying um 30 years before any the regular public on average like these these people obviously have an unusual enough circumstance that it's affecting all of them the same unless the type of people drawn to that career in the first place are already substantially different than the rest of the public well they're definitely substantially different than the rest of the public in that they've developed as an entertainer from their formative years I mean Prince was an

72:40artist and a musici when he was very young and then when he came out with I want to be your lover I think he was only like 20 years old or something like that how old was he when uh I want to be your lover came out yeah definitely young that was a Jam too God damn that was a good song cuz I remember I was living in Boston I'm 48 he was 55 so he's not that much older than me when he died and I was living in Boston when that song came out and it was a jaw-dropper I was like who is this guy with no shirt on on the cover trying you trying to figure out what the hell he was 20 or 21 20 or 21 and that is a beautiful song to this day I'll play that song out of nowhere and it's just it's he was an amazing artist so if he was that good at 20 21 I mean he was involved in music from the time he was a small boy so he developed in a very bizarre and strange way and was under

73:34the microphone at an incredibly young age when to be that huge at 20 years old and also to be such a revolutionary guy when it came to style and fashion dude I had an Overcoat when I was like 21 a long Overcoat because I saw Prince with one used to listen to Prince music I loved Prince When I was a kid he was so good so different and interesting you know was so many good songs like controversy you know he had some and then also like some guys sort of like came along with him like mors Day and The Time because they were in Purple Rain they sort of came along with him and they got famous for a brief period of time too he was amazing man it was amazing but I think I've always said this that I think you can't there's there's a balance in this world that you can't achieve when you achieve greatness when you achieve that kind of greatness I think it's at this at that is at the

74:25sacrifice of balance whether it's balance in your social life or balance in your your ability to have a a healthy and uh objective perspective I think in order like and I think that's one of what we're seeing with Kanye West too in order to like really go after something and just be obsessed with it to the point of just carving out this magnificent Diamond of art you got to be a nut man you got to be Richard prior you know you got to be nuts you got to be out of your mind to make some something perfect and what he made was perfect I mean Purple Rain is goddamn perfect he was perfect this that he did that you just to this day you just go God damn he was so good that all the other stuff is probably a symptom of a lack of balance and development in his overall life that led to this incredible Brilliance in his art form right so there has to be there has

75:22to be you have to sacrifice you have to take from somewhere well they say James Cameron's out of his mind right they say James Cameron is out of his mind and if you're on the set with James Cameron like if someone's painting a wall he'll take the paintbrush away from you do it like this and he'll start doing it right it's got to be like this like because he's a madman and that's why I mean James Cameron made a submarine and went to the bottom of the ocean with it you know about all that I heard about that he was researching for world record for no for his new movie oh right he's going to do Avatar 2o underwater this crazy he's filming underwater I mean he's not just like a groundbreaking guy he's like the groundbreaking guys are calling him up for advice cuz he's way ahead of everybody he's a maniac he's making a submarine to film a movie and he's breaking World Records in a single

76:11man submarine look at this this is him I mean this is he went to the bottom of the ocean by himself in this thing that he created I mean he's revolutionizing the science behind filming underwater so that he can make movies think do you think anybody tells him what to do who the could tell him what to do like nobody like none nobody his wife better shut the up too everybody better shut the up James Cameron talks like when they're about to make a movie and he goes in there and it's just like they just write the check and get the out of the way they don't even write checks I bet he probably writes the checks and then they write a check to him after it's all over yeah I mean he's insanely wealthy insanely brilliant and some of his movies are some of the greatest movies of all time I mean he's just he just knows how to do it big like you know there's some people that thought like

76:59Avatar was oh it's Pocahontas in space like stop look yes there's iconic themes that exist in a bunch of different mediums but that movie is amazing and if you if you overthink it and you say oh I've heard this all before you know this is well I mean you could say the same for a lot of the classic stories but he just he nailed this insane version of that genre it's like saying a rock and roll song like there's some classic rock and roll themes that you would you'd see if you heard song yeah well this there's like themes in songs that you just kind of accept because it's cool to hear them in songs and that's essentially what he's done on a grand scale in Avatar yeah no doubt no dispute James Cameron's a badass he's a bad to be that bad of a you got to be crazy he's making four Avatar sequels Jesus yeah you got to be be a bad to that you know but imagine the stress the

77:58stress of having that project yeah oh yeah moving people around course oh my God yeah getting location going to the bottom of the ocean and that's the only way to make a movie you can't make a movie by yourself no you got to have actors you got have a guy who writes a script God you have a guy who points the camera I hate the whole all that all the baggage all the people it's a nightmare it's weight that's why I'm a comedian dude that's brilliant so simple well that's I'm on YouTube yes so simple just do whatever you want you want to know something I had a bit of a nightmare situation out here out here yeah out here it's why I'm out here well I'm out here to be here on this show right now but yesterday I was you know I was on I was on set I had to shoot this thing I'm not going to mention any brands or names but there's like a hundred people on set of course and I mean you

78:49don't need them what the and then and then they want to try to jizz in the soup yes yeah yes that's the best way to put it yeah and it's just how about if you wear a different suit for every different segment dude it's like I've made over 850 product videos that millions of people choose to watch choose choose this is not one of these situations where you got to stick it in front of their face on way to where they're going this is something people like like let me look at the goddamn thing and get excited about it well guess what news flash we don't have to fake it they want to fake that doesn't need to be faked because it fits the protocol of the machine you know what I mean it's like it just sucks the life out of all of it like I I think there's this thing that's that happens I mean granted whatever James Cameron's brilliant and the they do in Hollywood is amazing and all the

79:44rest of it but I'm in this weird situation where like I'm the guy yeah I'm not acting right I'm the guy so if I go on this thing and I don't look like the guy well that's not why I'm here okay like what are they trying to change like what are they specifically with oh man all of it you name all it you name it that's so crazy okay so here's an example like when I do my videos I want everything to be live everything we shoot three concurrent angles if we catch it we catch it if we don't so be it that's what it was right so it's authentic yeah because I want to capture like you know I feel like your relationship with a product is a lot like a relationship with another person now you can think I'm perverted at this point I don't mean in that Way Joe okay okay I didn't say anything dude this is internal just the way you're looking at me right look at you that way all the

80:34time but I'm saying it's like it's like this process of like getting to know the thing and well as a a person who watches you sorry to interrupt you but that that authenticity comes through and that's one of the reasons why your videos are so compelling because like when you open up a video and you're checking out a new phone and you're going over the edges and you're you're experiencing it for the first time with the the person that's watching the video yes I want to be you know you the proxy version of you like how would you engage with this thing and in many cases like the de facto standard for these types of videos was like a person who had um um um was was was more sort of journalistic like they had a they're expected to make a report on the thing and it's like that's cool I respect that that's part of it too but at the same time it's like it doesn't that part of it doesn't

81:18necessarily captur the excitement associated with the thing the oo and the Oz and and all that kind of natural uh reaction which is impossible to fake right all the rest of it you can all the rest of it when it comes to like let's do that line again because I don't know I didn't say you didn't say the spec right or whatever like that would be the equivalent of the situation I was in yesterday but it's like I'm willing to sacrifice some of that to get the intangible stuff which is the the oo and O that will never happen again not in the same way you know yeah no I I I and I agree with you and I think that you understand what you're doing and you understand the appeal of what you're doing and to sacrifice that to polish it to make it more professional or to make that's actually going to lessen the appeal of it and that's what they don't understand it's a fine line it's like

82:07those videos where people have these edits every 5 Seconds they say something there's a cut and they say something there's a cut you know that style of YouTube video J cut that is gross man and there's a guy who did that recently it was a a video about bow hunting and he's trying to do that style and bow hunting which is like one of the most organic visceral Primal things you could ever engage in as a human being you're gonna go out and collect your food with a a sharp stick and a bow you know and so this guy's using this like this common thing that you see like these girls do and then I was like there's got to be a better way bouncing around the screen like he's in this corner than that he wasn't doing that standing right in front of it but the Fast Cuts like there was no pauses and and it was it's dis discon it's like throws you off that is the opposite of

82:57authentic CU you know that there's all these edits and those edits take you out also those edits treat you like you're a like you're so stupid you can't even listen to a guy talk your your attention span is so short I can't listen to Lewis open this VR box and go over this thing in real time and inspect the the overall build factor to be quite honest with you I'm kind of you know you mean have this platform here where people sit down for hours you know that that's that's becoming not you know that's not the status quo on the internet the internet keeps chopping it in the other direction getting shorter and shorter conversation has to move faster you got to jump the B hunting guys got to jump around the screen and so on and I mean if you get obsessed with uh analytics and stuff you can see like how how how often an average person watches for and so on and there's no

83:52there's no denying the fact that people's attention span are shrinking but it's like do you want to contribute to that or do you think that there's enough people that are willing to accept the alternative because you know you've got you've got an example here which is unusual why do you think what do you think happens here that people stick around for three hours I never thought about it that's what happens I never thought about it I just said I like talking to people so let's record it you know I mean but man I took a lot of heat in the beginning from people that were telling me I how to edit it so many people oh my God it was like some of the earliest comments were like why is this show 3 hours long this is no one's going to listen to 3 hours like even my friends were telling me it's like dude you got to edit it make it an hour I go why really I go I go after an

84:36hour people just shut it off if they don't want to watch more than an hour listen to it was listen back then you don't want to listen to more than an hour just shut it off at an hour who gives a but it was a who gives a thing like I'm going to do what I want to do I'm not trying to make money off this I'm not trying to do anything unusual I just like having conversations with people so let's bring in someone interesting and let's talk because the the art of conversation like just having a conversation for the purpose of having a conversation is lost in a lot of venues because what you're getting instead is interviews you know like you and I are friends we've been friends for a couple years now when we sit down I'm super confident that we're just going to have fun and we're going to talk and we're going to have a conversation that's why this podcast I left my house

85:16today and I was like I'm going to go have fun with Lou we're going to have a good conversation it's going to be cool because that's what I want to hear I want to hear people having a conversation and so for me it was just a matter of well I'm going to have this conversation it gives me an opportunity to sit down with someone for three hours which is super rare in this world when when do you ever get a chance to put your phone aside and just sit down and just look at a friend in the eyes and just talk about things I've before uh I mean when I was you know I've been here for a couple days and you I'm telling people okay no you know Saturday I can't hang out whatever I'm going to be on the podcast and they're like what do you guys do to prepare for that and on your podcast I'm like no nothing like you actually just sit down and you just start talking and

85:55they're like and for for how long for three hours no come on how do you do it you know like there's some kind of magic to it when it's when as you said it is the simplest thing it's like it's like or it's maybe it's a forgotten thing of just being able to do this well if you actually are interested in life and you find another person who's actually interested in life easy I think the hard part is ending in at three hours CU at three hours we we haven't even talked about a million different things I I've been watching your videos I got a lot of questions you know lot going on in the world I mean there's so much to talk about I just I don't understand people who don't have anything to say that that to me is perplexing right when someone says like how can you find things to talk about for three hours like how do you not talk yeah well in that sense I think that

86:40there kind of like a a s a service being like it's surprising to me how many like when I'm saying okay I'm going to be on here and I put it on my Twitter or whatever like how many people like pumped about it pumped like oh thank God we're amazing right like they they love the idea of it and for me it's a departure from the way I normally communicate with them right for you it's the it's the standard so I think you're like really aware of it that it gets it gets personal in a different way when you're using this medium where there aren't these the the definitive parameters that exist in your your typical YouTube video your typical tweet or Vine or whatever it is like those ones are all so it's almost like every social media it has its kind of structure that it like landed on for the the standard the qu but you you've been doing this for a while now and you've

87:27been on many different platforms and you just kept in here the same essentially like as far as the the the format is concerned but I think there is something to be said for I think what ends up happening in giving people that access is that it means more to them like they they you simply can't get to know somebody in a three minute segment that you can in three hours it's impossible so what what they actually end up getting here is uh is something that matters substantially more to them well they kind of get like digital friendships that's what I'm saying yeah I think that's exactly I think how it's looked at and I think in in a a world where we we realize that there is this increasingly short attention span you wonder how much of this kind of stuff here actually replaces the real world version of it if if people can't be in a movie theater without being on their phones if they

88:19can't drive without being on their phones if if this thing if we are literally Building New Path Pathways in our heads for how we how we look at spare time then is this thing an alternative to that like is this is this where people get that well you know what I think a lot of people do with podcasts is one of the things that I do with podcasts it replace radio in my car oh for me too 100% when I drive around I don't listen to radio anymore I listen to different podcasts like me eater Radio Lab uh TED Radio Hour all my friends like Joey Diaz's podcast and AR and Duncan I listen to All My Friends Podcast M and different people's podcast I just think it's an amazing thing I love the fact that at a red light you could just go to your thing press play find it oh there's a new episode of this out boom press play and it goes so it it it stimulates you when you're in your

89:09car it gives you interesting conversations when you're on a plane or when you're at the gym and it replaces a lot of traditional standard media in that way also because there's no ads there's ads in the beginning and if you want you fast forward through those but the 3 hours of the podcast is totally uninterrupted that's unusual though well it's my choice I was unwilling to do it any other way because I don't want it to be interrupted did they try to get you to change yeah they still do really yeah you it's not available it's I'm just not doing it they want me to interrupt the middle of the conversation and go you know I don't know if you know about Squarespace leou but Squarespace is a platform nothing against Squarespace nothing nothing against Squarespace at all they're awesome but and it wasn't Squarespace that was asking it's the the the agents that sell these of course

89:56they give zero about the content itself about the actual important part it's there was another thing that I had to fight with they were like there's no way you're going to get ads unless they do it in the middle of the show I go well then I'm not going to have ads like this is not like my primary source of income so for me this is a labor of love if you will I mean and I want to do it correctly making me feel special here it is but I don't have anybody on that I don't want to have on there's no one that tells me what to do there's no producer so if I Someone Like You on or anybody it's because I think it going to be an interesting conversation I'm looking forward to having it that's it that's the agenda that's the whole thing so I'm not interrupting that yeah I don't I don't have any I think it's a great message I got to be honest with you I don't think there's a lot of

90:37people out there pushing that particular message in the space I'm in I think uh you know especially since it's particularly on the video side on the YouTube side it's emerging as this like real business real Enterprise well because there's so much money in it though so much money in it it's craziness it's Bonkers yeah but at the same time there's no rule book on it you know there's no parameters there's nobody out there saying hey dude like you're taking a risk on that one here's what's going to happen and because I've seen it because I've been there and like um I think to hear somebody like you who's had success in this space to say Hey it I don't compromise I'm going to do it this way even when a million people are telling me to do it otherwise I think for a lot of people starting out they might have a YouTube channel they might whatever to to to to be empowered

91:23by knowing like some you can do it well I I got um Steve renella to do it the meater podcast they don't interrupt the podcast anymore used they used to interrupt it like if you listen to The Dan Flores episode there's no interruptions and that that's what makes it good here's this is my ethic number one don't do anything or do do your best obviously do your best to make it entertaining don't do anything that would compromise the quality of it just for profit and as long as you just do that do your best don't do be completely honest here like I up on number of occasions like in in in in completing what you just said I there are times where I get too deep too deep and then I'm in it and I'm like holy this is a this is a nightmare like how so well I mean with like with a brand or a sponsorship or something like that where where it'll be like uh I'll know it's a

92:13nightmare once I'm in it but even though I've been sold a bill of goods that isn't the thing that I actually signed up for it happens frequently with I mean I'm dealing with the biggest brands on planet and and they're like yeah it's going to be completely conversational you're just going to discover the goddamn thing or whatever and then you get there and it's like here's your script it's like what the oh so you like for a certain product they've actually there for if you're there for a launch or something they give you scripts no I don't read a script I never read a a goddamn script but they tried to exactly whoa and what is that conversation like when you tell them no it's like a bunch of producers pretending that that they're that it's impossible for me to say that oh how about this how about them trying to change your wardrobe they try to change

92:57your wardrobe I'm like dude I've been in this hoodie forever I got the Hat on like people know how I look right it's this weird situation of like advertisers in the business side of the thing not being used to to the idea of people of of basically disrespecting the audience is what it is because you're going to come at it from from a respectful point of view I'm going to come at it from a respectful point of view but they're used to like inserting things that nobody wants so they automatically assume if they're working with you that they got to that that nobody wants what you're talking about in reference to that project or whatever so they come at it from a negative from a guilty point of view as opposed to like hey people like this guy the way he is like leave him alone right you know that's what they signed up for why are we trying to rewrite it cuz they want a jizz in the

93:45soup that's what it is it's like if you're going to have that environment if you're going to have this situation where there's like 50 or 100 people to get this piece of content everybody in there needs to carve out that that Groove for themselves a place to fit well and they look they look for some way that they can tell everybody like Lewis was going to wear that hat yes and I told him look yes see this I feel like you must have encountered oh yeah for sure yeah and how do you deal with it well luckily in the podcast I really didn't encounter it that much CU I encountered it outside of the podcast and it's one of the reasons like doing Fear Factor was a big one like sometimes I would show up with stubble then be like you got to shave I go why why do I have to shave is someone going to watch the show and go this didn't shave today I'm changing the channel

94:31Mike stop stop and we would have these arguments where I I'd have some stubble on my face and they would tell me it's you really got to shave I'm like you can't tell me how to look this is what I don't look ridiculous I don't have a big dildo poking out of my forehead like there there's nothing unusual about how I look you don't you don't get that right it's really up when you think about it imagine right now if you and I we're wearing makeup looking at each other right like powder and like we're like regular we're like regular guys having a conversation in makeup like that's so up to think about well let me tell you something there are podcasts where they put makeup on before they do the podcast that's a fact I've seen believe it they have a lady standing there and she'll powder your forehead and she'll she'll just I'm want to put some anti-shine on

95:14your nose how how pissed off must like the make people in in the makeup Hollywood makeup business be at like YouTube and online media well the when they get the numbers and they realize it's not you don't really have to make someone look like a cartoon yeah in fact you could make the argument that if our goal is to connect with people on the other end form these relationships it's better to look to just in every way to be as close as you can to the real you because that's how you form relationships in real life unless you're never going to see people in real life unless you're like one of those Instagram girls that just puts filters on and takes pictures of something I know a dude who does that I know a comedian dude who does that puts filters on his pictures and you look at him and you go whoa where's hold what's going on with your face you're a cartoon

95:59yeah yeah you know what that is that's the uh that's the beauty mode beauty mode it's on it's on a lot of uh Korean devices Korean devices specifically really all like Samsung type things Samsung type things LG type things they have a beauty mode well you know you know the situation out over there like situation well I mean regard they do have a situation when it comes to plastic surgery that's stream one yeah so that's where I'm going with it um very bizarre it's uh it makes so this beauty mode it makes your eyes bigger it smoothens your skinh it uh changes the color the complexion can lighten it up it's very bizarre do it only work on LG and Samsung that's where ships from I'm sure you could get an app on any phone but if you get like a Korean model a Korean version of pretty much any Flagship it's going to that's the default camera app is going to it actually is going to have beauty

96:53mode on by by default what yeah it's going to be like by default yeah it going to be like at like level five out of 10 potential beauty mode but you know you see these selfies or whatever it looks like the person is painted you've seen them I'm sure uh I there was one famous situation where uh that Chef who's the chef Mario Battalion no the one who's always yelling Emerald Emerald bam no the one who's yelling at people like get out of my kitchen Gordon Ramsey oh Gordon Ramsey and and the mom of the Kardashians oh Jesus what a combo so she took the photo their own they each took their own and one of them they God and somebody did like a comparison oh that's right cuz she of course had a filter on oh Big Time made her look like an angel big time so yeah it's it's a good point though it's like what as we continue to progress into this digital realm which

97:50one is the real you well we're hiding that reality we're hiding reality with these filters and I think that's okay there you go okay there's hers look at her face look at his look at his okay that is so bizarre there's the reality oh Jesus Christ oh man wow what a difference yeah man wow she's like in a fog there that's so creepy that mode of photographing people is so creepy like but I like I said I know a male comedian who uses that yeah well I don't know man it's it's all of it is weird like I you need to kind of in your head you need to set up some rules that's what I want to do we need the rule book we need the social media rule book what we definitely doing well we kind of have it you know we we kind of have it in a way where a person like you or I there's a clear rule book we look at that we like B get the out of here but it's Unwritten it is Unwritten

98:42I need to write it down why you know and I know everybody knows that's true it is kind of it is kind of fun that way but I feel like we could maybe we could maybe save the situation we could say hey no you don't want to save it you you want them to be able to still do that true you want people to look like a cartoon okay okay Joe how many how many times can you how many times do you take a selfie before you post it um what's your maximum but it's not that many man come on Joe give us the truth here listen I'm a 48-year-old guy who not that good looking there's not a whole lot I'm doing to make it look any better I mean I I might look for the best like M or like this one this one looks best a sh but it's me every one of them is me there's no weird filters are we are we capping it at some point like are we going like I just well depends on what you're trying to do like maybe

99:35you're trying to get everything in the background it's really dependent upon what you're trying to do okay but it's never more than like a couple you ever gone over 10 I don't believe so unless I was trying to achieve something very strange like I love how everybody's like a fine art photographer now we have phones I mean what else would I how would I ever get to 10 I don't I don't no I don't know I I'm not yeah I'm kind of joking around to be quite honest but like I catch myself sometimes like what the am I doing here I'm a grown ass man in this place here like what am I taking angles here like you know I I kind of um do you do duck lips ass out the arch I might break the internet Jo the out Arch yeah it's uh but then and then I think about it I think of okay if I catch myself fairly confident guy you know I'm happy with myself to a certain degree if I catch

100:30myself at 10 or whatever the number is how many goddamn photos are these professional Instagram girls taking before they Pig one to post a very good point could it be a hundred some of them it's probably shocking numbers and then some of them what's really weird cuz they're they're taking these really like supposedly clandestine photos but like who's taking the photo like why do you why you like looking off in the distance whimsically like no one's around there's a guy right there with a camera you lant what are we doing here what are we selling yeah well you know in the early days of Instagram one of the unwritten rules was only phone photos ah like if it if it didn't come off your phone you just broke the rules of Instagram oh I didn't know there was a rule it's again if I had Joe if I had the book you would know it'll be on amazon.com I'll be kickstarting it actually that's

101:25crazy because this that guy that sent me these wolf pictures and it should um pull up his uh his Instagram so we could give this guy some PRS no no see see in his particular case those obviously aren't phone photos right and he and he has broken the rules but that rule went away a long time ago everybody was like it oh it did go yeah because photos from real cameras look amazing yeah but this okay that's okay I see where you're point is yeah yeah but why why would there be only photos from why was that a rule because it's kind of like cheating like inst Instagram it should be like in the moment okay okay and and what you just described of like this model overlooking Cabo or whatever it is like that's not Instagram I mean it is it is now but in the early days it sure as hell wasn't so did people get upset when they saw like a professional photography in the early days yeah yeah for sure

102:14they they would uh amongst like some of the tightnit groups on there some of the bigger uh photo pages that emerged it was kind of like it was kind of like hey I had to I built this business on the back of a stupid cell phone camera and then some person comes in with all this heavy duty equipment and kind of interrupts it and I don't know how much of it was just them being competitive and how much of it was them think believing in the ethic of of it being instant my friend Meg has an Instagram page where it's all just Polaroids uh so photo of Polaroid photo of a Polaroid it's kind of cool yeah that's all she does just take or maybe she scans them I don't know if she SC him for the record I'm not like I'm not of the opinion Guy this is cjmor photography his name is Chris Montano and uh he he sent us these photos of this uh these wolves see that wolf down

103:05there that's one of the ones that he sent us I mean that is a amazing photograph look right Timberwolf yeah yeah he uh oh it says it did he oh he's got he's got a promo code right now promo code Rogan um so if you go to Chris Montan m o n t a n o o jr.com chrism monano jr.com and you use a promo code Rogan you get 20% off your entire purchase so I guess he has these uh prints for sale but let me pull it up so people could see it here yeah that's amazing stuff I mean I think anytime you look at a photograph photograph and you go how did he get that shot that's a good sign yeah so we're going to put these on the the wall I'm getting tired of looking at Elvis W so I'm I'm going to decorate the back wall behind and the it's made out of metal yeah he printed it on metal that's that's wild it's dope I'm a you know if I had one thing that I could look at forever like if I had only one kind of

104:02art it would absolutely be wildlife art like wildlife art to me is the most compelling it's just something about especially like Predators like eagles and wolves and did you see that video was making a round of um yes they Eagle to ate the cat okay fine you probably tweeted it then I did for sure I saw it's funny when when you come when I come on here I'm like every time I'm referencing something I'm like did was it Joe that posted that or was it somebody else but yeah that's that's uh it's weird how people have that kind of uh how they have that perception of like nature only applies to stuff that I don't recognize like you know what I mean like you're not a part of it very B EA a salmon is fine but an eagle capturing a cat and feeding it to his chicks mhm not good and then they had to I guess I was reading through the article there and they had to say like

104:57oh the cat was probably already dead and it's like they scoop up cats all the time that's that's a lie yeah why not we're weird we have a hierarchy of animals and things like cats and dogs are they more favorable that's why that Ulin Dog Festival in China is so problematic that dog eating yeah yeah my brother ate dog yeah he well he was to China here in there and he he he said that there was one one point where they were at a restaurant that all they had was dogs so he was in whoa that's all they had it was a dog it was a a dog restaurant like Kentucky Fried Chicken but dogs Kentucky Fried dogs there you go but anyway I I don't know it's just uh it's problematic man I think it comes back maybe full circle to the whole way that we started this conversation just about people whatever is convenient you want to compartmentalize certain things like that's the way that's going to be

105:51and it's not uh yeah it well and it's a similar thing to with the coyotes and me seeing a wolf here and it's like whoa right you get this reset of like holy shital you feel small and you probably you even more so because you go out you actually go out in a Wilderness and whatnot go hunting and whatnot I mean could you it's a humbling experience I assume it's very humbling it's very psychedelic people think that that sounds crazy like going out to kill an animal psychedelic but what psychedelic about it is it's boundary dissolving and that you enter into a truly wild world and there is these large animals that live in this wild world and you you feel their world there's no cell phone service out there you you're in the woods with the trees and the animals and you're a part of this natural environment for a very brief time and you know people like well why would you

106:40want to go there and kill those animals and this there's all these weird arguments that you could have back and forth about this these conversations that you could have about whether or not it's okay to kill these animals what I've I've made these conversations with myself believe me like before I started hunting for the first time my thought was I'm either going to go hunting and I'm going to never eat meet again I'm going to become a vegan or I'm going to be a hunter and I decided to be a hunter and one of the reasons why I decided to be a hunter is I realized I don't like factory farming I think it's up I think the way we get our food I think we've we've made a huge mistake it's a great decision but a huge mistake at the same time in that we've all we've decided to live in these gigantic urban areas in these urban areas that becomes our natural world and

107:26in that natural world we don't see tigers we don't see wolves we don't see Bears we don't see these animals so our association with these animals is very unnatural our world consists of streets and cars and buildings and elevators and that's our natural world that's the natural world that we we live in when you go out into the woods and you you see the actual natural world the tooth Fang and Claw natural world and you find mountain lion that has hair in it and you look around and you you know you see an elk at the top of a ridge and he's you know trying to all these other cow elk and trying to fight all these bulls that are coming in and I mean we last time I was elk hunting they had found a a dead elk that been killed by another elk this thousand PB animal that died because this other animal with a tree grown out of its head speared it in the side and killed it I

108:20mean it's really wild to see like these things kill each other so they can and you you're out in that world and when when you do it makes everything seem uh it it's the the whole Predator prey experience seems very intensified like you're your connection to your food is very intense it's the whole thing is like and also from a wildlife management standpoint you you kind of what we're talking about with Lyme disease the reason why they have Lyme disease because they have too many deer they have too many deer they have these ticks these ticks get on these deer they develop this disease and this these ticks get on to people and it's because of an overabundance of deer the overp population they could nip that in the butt if they could figure out how to dwindle down the population of deer when you have too many animals too many game animals too many too many wild animals

109:13and the the balance gets overrun whether it's too many wolves or too many bear or too many deer like Wildlife biologists understand what the numbers are in order to keep that Harmony and you have two options option number one Hunters they pay money they go out there and the money from those tags is responsible for the protection of these Wildlife areas protection of habitat or option number two they hire snipers they hire people to go out there and kill these animals and that's what they're doing in Zimbabwe with lions they they're killing aund they're killing 200 Lions rather this year because they have so many lions now because of the the what happened with the dentist where the dentist went over and shot ceil the line became this big thing well they had a control of their population they had this sort of ecosystem balanced out and the hunters got scared the hunters got

110:05scared they they moved off they don't they don't go there anymore and so now they have all these lines that are destroying this undulate population so they made a wildlife biologist decision to go in there and kill 200 Lions to lessen the impact on the ulet yeah it's all and in North America they do that with bears they do that with mountain lions in Most states they figure out what is the healthy number where all these animals can coexist yeah well it's one I mean it's one thing to have an opinion on that matter and it's a different thing to actually have exposure and then maintain that opinion you know what I mean like yeah it's one thing to be on on Twitter sitting on your couch watching TV saying a couple words about how you think about the planet the Wilderness and so on say but to to maintain that perspective when you're actually in it I would I would

110:55have to believe and speculate that that's a difficult thing to do well there's a deep respect that comes in a a deep love for an animal that is going to sustain you and feed you and the the thing about it is these animals they're not going to live forever if you don't do that their life is incredibly brutal and Incredibly short and what you're doing as a hunter is you're going into that world you're dipping your toes into it for a brief amount of time a week or whatever it takes to find an animal and that animal's going to feed you for months and to me it's so much more it's so much more ethical than buying it from a store I mean that that even can't even be argued yeah but from a vegan perspective like they don't want anything to die they want everything to live forever but it doesn't work that way because first of all if you don't shoot animals if you don't like if if

111:41you don't control bear populations the bear are going to decimate the moose population they're going to decimate the deer population they eat all the calves they eat all the fawns that's just what they do it's what they've always done not only that they go and they eat each other there bears are all cannibals I mean there's a massive amount of cannibalism in in the Bear World they eat Cubs it's one of the first things that males do when they come out of hibernation and if you don't control their populations they will do that to every thing that's out in the woods and the only thing that can control their population is another Predator and the only predator for Bears is people that's it and that b and the people will go what about people people are overpopulated man why don't you shoot people why don't you kill yourself how about I start with you right you nonhuman loving yeah I

112:26mean like life eats life and that is a weird reality I think there's a there's a the part of it though the complicated part of it is that obviously everybody can't do that exactly I mean well that is true but that doesn't mean that you know everybody can't survive on you know the amount of money that you make every year it doesn't mean you should give up that money because everybody can't make the amount of money that you make yeah why you singling me out here well just I'm just saying I mean look if you make more than $35,000 a year you're in the top 1% of the world we live in a very strange time I just mean like I think I think some people you know people's perspectives are formed by in in some ways their capabilities if they if all they ever knew was going to McDonald's or whatever and it's just it's a hard thing to break it is a hard thing to break and it's a hard thing to recognize

113:12that it can't you know well people say it's not sustainable for the entire population well I'm not the entire population not only that what we're doing is not sustainable for the entire population of the world personally I don't know I'm kind of optim Mystic about it I don't know if it's sustainable or not sustainable hunting is not there's not enough animals there's not you got to farm them yeah I mean if you wanted to eat the way people eat today there has to be some sort of farming going on if you want to eat the amount of meat and people find that problematic and that's for a good reason they're right is there a way to do the farming part better maybe there certainly is but there's also problems with just eating vegetables just eating vegetables first of all displaces massive amounts of wildlife second of all when you buy Grain you're you are responsible indirectly for the death of

113:56thousands of animals there's just no way around it those combines are indiscriminate and they they they grind up deer fawns and rabbits and rats and mice and groundhogs and everything else then on top of that pesticides yeah you know I mean if unless you're buying absolute organic where there's no pesticides used you're for sure going to be responsible for the death of millions of bugs if you live in a house you display you know what I mean like everybody's with animals and on top of that there's some very real and compelling evidence that plants have a level of intelligence we don't want to think of them as sentient because they can't communicate with us they don't say anything to us like ow don't chop me down it hurts but they communicate with each other there there's something that plants do now this is this is a crazy thing that they found with giraffes that

114:44the plants that giraffes eat if they're down wind so like if the giraffes are eating this plant and the wind from the plant they're eating goes downwind and catches these other these other plants the plants will change the chemical composition of their leaves and become more bitter making them less attractive to predation so they're communicating with each other like weting I don't remember what plan it was that does that but they they have proven that plants do calculations that plants are doing some sort of some kind of strange mathematics that they're communicating with each other they know when other plants are being chopped down there's some going on with life and we don't we don't have the capability to understand Dolphins okay we don't know what they're saying when dolphins communicate with each other they have a complex language they have dialects they sound

115:35differently in different parts of the world they recognize each other they have a very bizarre way of communicating that we have not been able to decipher but we recognize that it's going on because it's close enough to our own kind of communication that we say oh these things are smart and they're talking to each other well there's something going on with plants too and this is a a recent thing where the science behind it is starting to catch up where they're it's emerging where they're they're doing these tests and they're running these numbers they go look they're not they're not wooden in the sense that it's not like you're not talking about a rock like a plant a living plant has some sort of awareness there's something going on and different ones have more awareness but and there's some sort of communication through the actual the the actually Ecology of the

116:23ground I mean the the ground itself is a living thing dirt itself is some sort of an organism right I mean it is a like like a person is like a person is an ecosystem we are responsible for the lives of Untold trillions of bacteria that live inside of us right well this the same thing could be said of the dirt itself the dirt itself is some sort of a strange balanced ecosystem where worms and bacteria and all of these different funguses and all these different life forms all exist together and then the plant feeds off of those life forms and the plant in some respects relies on the death of biological things like mammals and rats and bugs it relies on them for the very nutrients that it needs to make a plant in the first place it's all very very complex it's all connected and to deny that you're eating life some strange life form when you're having a salad is the height of convenience

117:26there's nothing wrong with eating a salad but I don't think there's anything wrong with eating an elk steak either there's life is consuming life and it's just more obvious when you shoot an animal and you're there when it dies what about what about when humans find a way to grow meat in a lab it's going to be very interesting and they're kind of there right now yeah I I remember reading something about they had they had the meat ready to go but they couldn't actually consume it because the governing body or whatever for for food and beverage or whoever the hell it is said that it would be illegal to consume it for some reason I can't some probably some food Lobby or something but but but theoretically right we could find a way to manufacture all this 100% yeah we can well there's going to be a way and then what do we do what do we do with Wildlife then it's good question

118:19well here's a here's a better question what do we do we have robot dos and there's no no need to date dude what happens I I I don't think we're that I don't I think we're already there we're pretty close because I mean it's not a robot doll but you have you have porn already which many people many people consider to be one of the sort of uh What uh Stone building blocks that's what I was looking for building blocks of the web like the reason that the web was adopted or VHS or DVDs or whatever HTML 5 it all goes the way of when porn adts that everything else goes like the sort of fundamental needs that people have and and so on and so yeah you have to wonder how disconnected from other people we can we can get as this stuff continues to improve we were looking earlier at this this hollow lens development kit I was recently playing with the HTC Vive which is pro that's

119:13probably the VR headset to get right now and it's like man these experiences are getting they're getting closer M and you look at the the camera that Facebook just came out with I don't know like 60,000 bucks Facebook buying Oculus has to be one of the creepiest things on the planet like to know that that they see where that's going and that they were interested in that and what their sort of agenda and objectives are currently well virtual communities that's what what's going to happen we're all going to be able to sync up together in some virtual place right and we'll all be like low calorie takers at that point we're all going to look like Asian supermodels big tits that's there we're all sink up with each and we're proba going to be able to each other in some sort of virtual environment yeah it's a Total Recall man but the thing is it's actually and

120:01Tonetta is going to be playing got a really really really really really nice the thing is like the physiology part of it is only part part of the conversation there's also the psychological part in that like for the most part I feel like there's a trade-off I feel like women in my life make me different than I would be if they weren't in my life 100% and in many ways I think they make me a more a more a more moderate person like about the way I think about a lot of things because you want to and you want them to you that's what it is right yeah yeah whatever whatever the reasoning is the biological part pulls you in but then there's a psychological aftermath of you now being a different person because of the mo because of the moves you made in the first place and then there's the compromise you have to figure out how much do you compromise like do you become some sort of

120:49henpecked because we know a lot of guys that are bch because they the of their mate like their mate is the Domin one in the relationship you know I have a relative like that I have an uncle like that you got a wife that just runs the ship and everybody just gets the out of the way so part part part of me worries though that like in the absence of those interactions what happens to the psyche of males and females now just kind of allowed to bathe in their own perspective over and over and over again and never have to make those adjustments and never have to make those compromises because historically that's that hasn't really been a good sign you send a bunch of guys into into jail without any females or you send them off to war without any females they become Savages pretty goddamn quickly so is that what's going to happen is is the digital Onslaught going to create some

121:43kind of hyper aggressive male it may do the opposite it may do the opposite because all of your sexual needs would be sa so easily so easily that you'll be satiated so your your need for sex is not going to be there anymore so maybe your need for posturing and aggression won't be there anymore because the need for like for you to be preferable to the other men you don't have to posture you don't have to you don't have to Peacock and if you could just put on your Facebook virtual reality headset and go the Asian supermodel in another dimension like why would you be a I'm with you on that but what about never having to compromise that's a problem see because we talked before about all these people that suck because they want to control everything about their lives right because they don't want to interact with people it's all got to be their way what the is this lineup

122:35what the is this car in front of me what the is this and that they want to complain about everything I want to sue this person over here and do this over there and in an environment where we take that a step further and now we never compromise for other people when we do em emerge from our our headset world what is our personality it's a good question because like what what is our personality based on most of our personality is based on the long running equation of your life all the interactions you've ever had with other people and how they've reacted to you and how you've adjusted your personality accordingly yes there's a cool this this is reminded me of something there's a cool uh Channel on YouTube called smarter every day I don't know if you've ever seen it heard of okay it's a guy he's a scientist and he does these uh he does these videos that sort of uh I

123:21don't know CH uh attack sort of everyday things that might seem obvious but then breaks them down a little bit anyway he did a video about a bicycle and what happened was this was a bicycle that was had a had a gear in the in the steering so that left was now right and right was now left oh I kind of remember this maybe you've seen this before and what he did was he took this bicycle around to various U talks that he was giving at different universities and and St and stuff and uh and he made a bet to people in audience I bet you $100 that nobody in here can ride this bike and of course every time he got somebody coming up going I'm I can do it easily whatever they get on the bike they couldn't pedal it once even even though they they're completely aware of what change has been made to it and so he spent six months before he could actually get down the

124:10street on this bike that was reversed and what he talks about in the video is about how he has the pathways that he had created in his mind for how to ride a bike right were were very difficult to rewrite that once they're in there they're in there and so he did an experiment where he took his 8-year-old I want to say who had just recently learned how to ride a bike the right way gave him the same bike and in a couple of weeks he had it down the kid the kid could ride either bike he could ride the reverse bike or the regular bike and so he was building this kind of um um perspective that like that potentially when it comes to language when it comes to learning when it comes to everything that that the absence of those Pathways for young people actually makes them more uh flexible yeah a greater ability to change their way of thinking on a more frequent basis cuz he was looking

125:04big picture at it and the funny thing is when he went back to go back to the regular bike he couldn't ride the regular bike H wow that doesn't make any maybe he's that's possible I doubt it though he's a really smart guy I doubt it though he talked to a bunch of he might just be ordin I mean it's like I would like to see the same we're getting you the bike Jo I would like to see the same thing with an athlete that they could figure it out well they might have a better understanding of how their body works it's true I don't think that I don't know how critical the test was I think he had he had a number of test subjects yeah because I just feel like it's like a boat you know like when you're steering a boat if you want to go right you turn the rudder left you know what I'm saying like if you have an outboard motor behind you and you want to go to the right you have to go like that it

125:52makes complete sense it's the fact that it's it's actually there it is yeah here it is it's actually not the fact that you don't know how it's working it's the fact that you keep triggering back into that State of Mind of riding a bike and when you're riding a bike you're not thinking about riding a bike you're just riding it yeah H it makes you can watch a bunch of people fail if in in the actual video well it makes complete sense because Pathways that you've developed are incredibly difficult to break and one of things that when I was teaching martial arts I found was it's way easier to teach a a person who has no martial arts experience whatsoever then a person who studied a different style where they might be using bad mechanics so if they develop bad mechanics and then they came to a really good school it was incredibly difficult to break them of their bad habits

126:44whereas like if I could get two people and one person was um they like say one person maybe even had a black belt in one style and one person was a white belt I feel like if the black belt had bad technique and bad form and bad bad mechanics if I could watch the two of them progress over a few years eventually the white belt would surpass the black belt and move forward and be able to reach their full potential where the black belt with bad mechanics even though they might know how to fight good because they might know what they can do and even though what they're doing is not optimized with the most effective technique they know what how it works and how it fits in the language of the communic like I think fighting is kind of like a language and even with like your shitty words and your bad grammar you could still form a sentence and still talk and communicate with people

127:35that's similar to the articulation of a real polished technical martial artist versus a person with like a very limited vocabulary with Street knowledge you know you can the person with the polished vocabulary will be able to express themselves more clearly and expressing yourself is what you're actually doing when you're fighting it's a really cool way to look at it so the person who starts out with nothing is better off than the person who starts out with technique yeah unless the person who starts out with technique is super open-minded and has no ego and is willing or is very good control of the ego and is willing to try to completely learn everything from scratch and not go into it saying hey I'm already black belt I already know my right yeah which most people do it's uh it's an interesting topic I think it applies across the bored to be quite honest you know I um I started

128:24working with a couple people in in my uh for my channel I have an editor now he's a guy who i' I've known for a long time but he doesn't have a background in editing at all he didn't have any kind of like preconceived notions of what these videos should look like but I but I liked that when when he came in because I was like you know I can kind of finesse this idea of how I want things to look and how I want them to be and he can kind of learn starting with this these param the ones that you know as opposed to somebody coming in who would have been like a professional in the space and I think um that particular perspective is something that a lot of startups are are doing as well when it comes to hiring new people is it's like are you hiring a person and their skill set or are you hiring a personality are you hiring potential and what is the difference in each of those decisions

129:14sure if you hire a professional probably you're going to be able to snap your fingers and be and and be achieving things immediately but in the end and is that person that's capable of flexing and floating along with the needs of that business over time that's a good point and also do they come into that business with a preconceived notion of what their future is going to be based on like I'm going to move from here to there and then I'll get a corner office and then and they have this idea already mapped out in front of them and then when things aren't that way they maybe be disappointed or don't know how to react yeah this is the equivalent of the bicycle pathway thing but mapped out in like a different scenario and but it gets me thinking about myself too in like in in in what are my Pathways that I can't break in when in thinking about subject matter in looking at the way I

130:02behave because I feel like I feel like the not being able to ride the bike the other way is the perfect example of how we kind how how we treat a lot of things like our I think our perspectives should always be floating we should always be able to to you know in politics and stuff they're always talking about that guy he flip-flopped he used to say that now he says this isn't that normal isn't that life well flip-flopping in politics is hilarious because it's the one part of life where you're supposed to have a pre-formed decision by the time you enter into public office and it never changes that's right like you can't evolve it's weird as a society it seems that we we value for some reason a person who doesn't change their opinion when in reality it should be the other thing well also some of these opinions it's not like murder is bad you know what I mean I mean like they're complex

130:50issues re a lot of consideration yes you know I mean especially when it comes to things about maybe the economy or things about what what shouldn't shouldn't be a crime and you know and what you know is it actually a crime to make people prisoners is that more of a crime than than selling drugs like what is the crime here you know it should be dynamic and and it always has been Dynamic that's the thing but I don't know what it is exactly that holds it back I I also I think it's a fine line because on the other other side of it if a person's bouncing around from day to day on how they feel about something it could be a nightmare as well well then they shouldn't be a leader right I mean that's sort ofan even mean in your life in a relationship yeah it's like it's like there's this really there this groove somewhere in the middle of like committing to certain things but being

131:36open-minded about others it's like kind of a balance to it well isn't that the case with pretty much everything in life that life really doesn't have a whole lot of real solid Black and Whites that there's a lot of room for consideration there's a lot of a lot of variables that you're managing on a daily basis when it comes to many things in life definitely and that's why a lot of things when you you look at them and you go oo well okay well there's a lot of ways to look at this and when someone wants to come at it like from a real hard black or white perspective that usually is either someone with a like a a deep agenda or someone who doesn't have a considered nuanced perspective of the subject at hand it's one of the most uh it's one of the most frustrating things about like living a substantial part of my life on the Internet is that and I don't know if

132:22we talked about this previously or not but it's like it's this idea of everybody having kind of a a microphone everybody being able to blast out their their kind of uh perspective like I don't like the comment section on YouTube and my comments are not that bad okay but I don't like the way it works the idea that you can you could create this video put all this effort into it uh formulate a perspective and and everybody's going to scroll to the top comment and this dude put in what 10 seconds a knee-jerk reaction and he gets to occupy that real estate I don't like it I think there's a better way to do that what is the better way I think the person who published the thing has to have a little bit more control over kind of like in a forum traditionally how you could have moderators who had certain abilities that others didn't you should be able to promote people in your community

133:21Community to be kind of the authority figures just like everything else you have to manage in life when it comes to people but doesn't that censorship in a lot of ways I mean no I don't think it's s you have the option to have not have comments okay but that's not that's not a good look it's not a good look no you have comments turned off you're a feminist yeah like if I come to your video and you have comments turned off I'm like oh I get it I get it you're probably talking because you're not even willing to have the to have anybody say anything here well they can say it they just don't say right underneath your work yeah see I wish I mean it would be cool that if it was that way it would be cool and trust me whenever I engage in anything slightly more artistic or subjective online I'm like I'm thinking man it'd be cool to turn off the comments and let it

134:07just let it just breathe a little bit but at the same time I'm like this is the format that has been what everyone's accepted and and and and expects now and so I feel like probably the healthier approach is this this this idea tweaking it and what are the numbers like what percentage of people actually comment it's it's so fractional but they dominate the goddamn perspective that's the problem and the ones with the shittiest points of view are the ones that are the loudest loudest most black and white just like the headline science we were talking about before there's a reaction that you have to a really negative aggressively shitty comment where it's like a I'm going to reply to that and now now there's a whole thread underneath that guy's single comment which then pushes it to the top because it's creating conversation and this is stuff that like on the highest level the

134:59the biggest businesses in the space if you're Google if your Facebook they're they're they're having boardroom meetings about this stuff did you hear about what Clinton's doing no Hillary Clinton is spending $1 million to combat Forum trolls and people on Reddit and Twitter and social media yeah with what with her own mercenaries who's going to do it exactly they have a 100 people that are working for her that actively go out and correct people that are saying negative things about this career criminal that might be the president of the United States someday I don't like that either you know when I'm talking about maybe tweaking the comment system hell no to that but look at this like see do you have it Jamie it is bizarre yeah it's creepy I mean this is the first time anyone's ever done this before and done it open the way that politicians have been able to use social media paying

135:50online troll to attack anyone disparages her hey who who's the guy who wrote that isn't that the guy the Twitter guy who oh guy people were complain is he black or that guy the white guy that pretends to be black it's not is he he definitely is I don't know I haven't followed it yeah if you follow it there's no evidence whatsoever there's any African-American in him at all you look at his brothers and his sister they all look like him his dad's white the whole thing is a mess his mom's white yeah don't ever pull up this guy's articles there's a lot of other articles on it that guy is a fraud it's weird that that guy's employed too he's employed by like the daily news or something like that yeah that's what it was Jesus Christ like do you guys have Google like what are you doing Daily News probably because you can promote the article and tweet it out I assume he has a following I guess I

136:43mean there's a lot of that going is that what's that that is a lot of what's happening with uh with these newspapers too they sort of fallen into the clickbait realm too they have to survive on that do you remember when they used to try to make you pay to subscribe they some do New York Times is still pay well you get like you still do that 10 articles and then you have to pay to continue beyond that newspapers I mean those institutions are the most entitled group of people that that still exist them maybe radio I can't wait to be honest for uh every car on the planet to ship with Android auto or or uh Apple carplay because then it's a wrap Android AO but the problem is like I've seen a lot of cars that have Google carplay I have it in one of my cars okay cool but I don't I don't recall ever seeing a car with Android auto but isn't Android at least 50% of the smartphone market oh yeah

137:38probably more um maybe not in the US globally it's more than 50 more than 50 yeah but yeah because in Emerging Markets nobody can afford iPhones you know uh you you could tell me this like the latest like Samsungs like the Galaxy S7 it's basically a rap right I mean they're they're a wash you've got pros and cons but they're both pretty goddamn Comm yeah oh 100% I wouldn't have a problem recommending yeah an S7 um any of the Nexus devices uh what else I mean the the one that I didn't really like that much I haven't made a video about it sometimes the problem with me is sometimes if I'm not into something I just don't make a video about it and so like why is this guy always so excited about everything it's like well I want to make a video about the stuff I'm excited about trying to be positive yeah like and I understand how that can look like you know you're just always take you're

138:31not taking a a strong position but it's like if I put my SIM card into a phone and I'm not feeling it it's not going to last in there very long you know so anyway I had some issues with LG's latest phone even though I like some stuff about it the G5 uh it's a modular phone so it's like I don't know if you remember there was this thing called project uh Arya project project I remember it was a modular phone you could like anyway that obviously never happened but LG kind of uh took took the approach of like trying to make what the consumer version of that would look like so there's modules so the battery compartment you can pull out the battery and then reinsert uh like a camera module which is going to give you a better grip different attributes to the camera P pull this thing out you can then pull that out and you could put put in um you put up put in another

139:21module which is a better headphone amplifier so you can run better headphones off of your phone really yeah so and I like like that kind of turns me on I like that stuff so when I see it I'm like I want to support that even if it's not 100% polished yeah so here you go if you scroll down you you'll see you can see how the battery pulled out on the bottom in that picture there so that they call them friends that's bit of an issue with translation there but uh the different modules are called friends and and you'll see here he can slide it out hopefully he does in this clip here there so that pops out and you could even just carry around another battery which that's becoming a tougher thing to do with phones obviously oh you're getting killed here ass getting hit I look at the options I don't want to save I want to be a loser can I click on I want to be a

140:12loser so so anyway um I hope I don't know if they show any of the other modules here but they're opening it up to third parties as a port so essentially if you're um an audio maker and you want to have your own amp or if you're a God knows what accessory you might want to have utilize that maybe a bigger battery right you know maybe a um who knows whatever whatever it is that you might want to improve you could access that and do so what an uphill battle it is though for these cell phone companies to come up with something that you can get other people to jump in on and make accessories for because people look at and go man I don't know if this is going to catch on do we do we use our resources and our Engineers to develop something LG platform we can just make some for the iPhone and it's going to sell for sure yep and this is a problem this is why there are such a huge abundance

140:59of accessories for that platform and it's something to consider for a person there's the there's some of the modules wow the module on the bot the brown one is that the camera one yeah what the man grip so you get a a real shutter like a regular camera what is that upper left one that looks like a speaker that's actually LG's camera one so thing is that's a camera so basically what it does is it gives you bigger battery first of all and then it gives you some control over the shutter as well as a wheel now on a professional camera that wheel normally it would be mapped to like shutter speed or something more uh professional style of interaction so it wouldn't just be click and go you could get more control over the manual functions of it and that one in the middle I think is a a digital um analog converter so a headphone amp from I think it's bang and Olson some

141:49high-end Audio company so you can drive bigger headphones but anyway I really like the approach another thing they did on that phone is they put two lenses on the back and a lot of people think on the next iPhone we might see two lenses as well among I'll ask I'll ask you this before I get into this next part did actually you know what I'm gonna get to that in a second I'm going to go D dual lens but uh the Dual lens on the on the LG one of them is super wide angle so you can capture a really wide frame this is one of this that's one of my pet peeves about phone cameras you can see both of them there they're not very wide so like you want to capture like a group or architecture or Beach or something it's always like this really narrow field of view so in this particular case one of them is super wide and one of them is a more standard field of view and so it's like having an

142:34interchangeable lens system but it's always in your phone so right from within the app you can switch between lenses that's interesting I like that so the iPhone might do something similar what do you not like about this okay so what and this I don't know how fair it is but really the way I evaluate a phone is how it kind of interacts with all the other devices that I expect it to interact with so for example if I get in my truck and I want it I want this to like seamlessly connect via Bluetooth start playing my podcast and so on this phone for whatever reason it had no problem linking up the multimedia portion to play the the music uh the podcast but the headset portion for whatever reason it wouldn't connect for answering phone calls via my Bluetooth again this is anecdotal this is my personal experience we shouldn't it's tough to even put that out there because

143:26who knows it's just the way that's talking to my my truck but that that issue doesn't exist with any of the other flagships so that's something that I'm going to consider another thing is build so a lot of people were upset because of the way that that modular portion fits in it's not completely flush it's a little bit rough around the edges and so again it's so competitive in this Marketplace that any little inch you're going to give up is is going to have a drastic impact and lastly I don't like their software their skin that they put on Android but we talked about this before I'm like a purist when it comes to that and I usually modify that anyways but there was some weirdness from the get-go about not just the skin they have on there but but how hard it is to really switch it around too much the Samsung theme store is a little bit more elaborate if you want to change the

144:12appearance of the way your touch wi touch whe has gotten a lot better but I still have a Nexus in my pocket right now so now the Nexus phones what is what's the service illuminate this there's something where with Google you can pay Google and that becomes your provider and your your phone will work on everything T-Mobile Verizon yeah not everything no well is it I don't think so no no I think it's just a select carriers because I don't I think the Verizon bands are different oh they're CDMA right yeah I think but I thought that CDMA and GSM like most phones will work on CDMA and GSM like the iPhones will like if you travel overseas and you're in a GSM environment only yeah iPhone is actually one of the few I'm not sure if Nexus does or not but that seems crazy that they wouldn't it bounces around I think it might be T-Mobile and it can bounce to Sprint and

145:03AT&T well that's CDMA and then GSM as well then so they're going back and forth between two different typ ofbe they I'm not 100% sure this that service is not available where I am oh okay okay in Canada it's not available no so I'm not 100% sure on that but with Nexus devices in general you can do whatever you want with them they're completely unlocked so even if you just went to the Google Google Play Store and ordered a Nexus 6p or 5x any SIM card you put in there is going to work and Nexus do does it that way so they can give you the pure Google experience you're buying it directly from Google with no skins no apps no touch WIS no and the tough part about that is there's so few people who have ever even experienced it because you can't pick it up in a Verizon store an AT&T store that's got to be frustrating for the Google people yeah I think so but at the same time it

145:49feels like they could do more from marketing perspective to build awareness around the brand definitely because I'm I mean I'm barely aware of it I know most people are I think part of it has to do with it's kind of like uh the oil business and the highway business and it's like you don't want to piss off carriers cuz carriers still pull so much weight in this world but it's just weird that the carriers would want to jizz all over the soup oh we're back there yeah yeah why are the carriers on the go well hey I mean there's tons of uh evidence of Verizon and yeah Comcast and you name it like they're all trying to protect this really this really strange business I mean they started out as what cable companies and and doing home phones and then it was like all of a sudden this whole thing was mobile and we we could and we could bounce around and we had and it's like

146:38uh really the business has changed but they've continued to try to lock you into this bundle yeah the bundle of things that you could have the TV package that's $200 and you watch four stations and like I mean they're banking so hard that I can understand why're what they're trying to protect you know they're trying to lock you in anything you buy that they got to lock you into a contract and it's a few hundred dollar I mean it's pretty obvious there's a bit of a play there yeah but people are wising up though a lot of people a lot more people are buying their own devices now so Jamie see if you can figure out what exactly that Nexus service is how it works at well Google yeah project fi yeah uh it it's not saying anything on here specifically about which uh networ click on the network button it just says that juu is the best network and it goes from LT to Wi-Fi back and forth it

147:28doesn't say which carrier they're actually and this LT to Wi-Fi yeah it bounces back and forth LTE LTE I'm sorry to WiFi um so but but how's it using Wi-Fi when you're driving get access to two 4G LTE networks so so it's two networks I don't remember who they arei access the best of two 4glt Networks can connect to more towers and get fast speeds at more places I'm nearly positive that one of them is T-Mobile it doesn't say on here why would it not say that seems crazy they might have a white paper somewhere on the internet to get you can get your hands on but listen this connect to better wi-fi there are lots of Wi-Fi Wi-Fi hotspots out there but not all of them are high quality project fi automatically connects you to more than a million free open Wii spots we verified for fast and but how's it affect you while you're walking around is it really going to go from wifi to Wi

148:22that sounds ridiculous they had a little graphic on here that kind of just shows it but I mean it's just Graphics I don't it's not yeah it's not real life application right right right it's not giving you actual data experience yeah calls and text over Wi-Fi for more coverage see this sounds good in paper like maybe in 10 years calls transition seamlessly from Wi-Fi and cell phone networks tell it to people their phone drops off left and right and they're yelling at you I hate this switching Network going back to T-Mobile tomorrow bit of a nightmare I don't know I mean again this is kind of to me this is kind of along the lines of that modular phone it's like I like it it speaks to me in some way this this idea of of uh innovating in the space but that doesn't necessarily mean it's all the way there yeah what Jamie see if you can find instead of this commercial

149:11cartoon they're showing us actual data of what networks they're using and how it works you probably can yeah because Chris Ryan uh Dr Chris Ryan the guy wrote sex at dawn he was the one who first told me about it and that's why he bought the phone he's like I love it because everywhere I go it just finds the best service yeah and I was like oh okay that that sounds like a great idea if it's in in paper who a partner Sprint T-Mobile okay carriers in the US to launch our service well you know what man that's so that's exactly what that's what Ting does yeah like Ting uses Sprint T-Mobile as well they use T-Mobile for GSM and Sprint for CDMA and so you would get the same cover that you get with T-Mobile or with um with Ting but with Ting you only pay for what you use like Ting has a great deal where you know if if you barely use it like I've barely used my phone before and I've got

150:00a $10 bill yeah you know the one thing that they have there is that that Wi-Fi transition thing so maybe you're using less data I don't know but where where you have to log into Wi-Fi networks that's what I don't understand how could that be verifiable I know and they're like reliable I don't know about that I mean but this idea of free wiot Wi-Fi hotspot if you go to like Starbucks and use their hot spot or coffee bean you have to log in mhm so you going to have to pre-log in all these places in order for it to see transition like some kind of clearance maybe where those like IMEI numbers could somehow have access I'm not 100% sure how that works that sounds fishy as I'm not 100% sure how that works but but Wi-Fi calling and whatnot is cool because generally speaking even in your own places like the places you frequent like your office and your house

150:43and such I have Wi-Fi calling on on my phone I love it and exactly it's high quality you have a great connection so it does make sense in theory the way they were showing it on that graphic is probably overstating it right yeah but anyway so so so in the in the Android space I think it's pretty easy I think right now for me it would be probably an S7 or um the Nexus 6p is in my pocket which I like can I see that yeah pull that out yeah yeah this um this again what's what you're seeing a lot of now is you're seeing the fingerprint scanner being moved to the back of the device so you could just do it as you're holding it so yeah exactly you notice it's sort of fits in there wow yeah that's nice I like that that's actually really clean I've actually got a skin on it it's uh oh this is a skin yeah yeah it would look a little different it's a little more grippy like that I like it

151:31yeah this is really thin and nice yeah it's um this is a 6p is that that's a 6p it's the bigger brother so the 5x is pretty much identical the screen's a little lower resolution no physical buttons on the outside just over here on the side yeah but not on theen oh yeah yeah no they're all digital yeah yeah well if you look at like an iPhone that giant that giant home button mhm increases the size of the bezel substantially yeah does now another thing that that phone makers I think I don't remember if I talked about this before it's like forward- facing speakers is such a huge thing the fact that we don't have that on a lot of devices yet yeah the iPhone has a little sinky speaker on the bottom on the bottom it's kind of it's it's like from a design perspective you can't imagine ever doing a drawing where for any reason you do that unless it was an absolute necessity but the thing is a

152:17lot of phone makers keep trying to slim down the devices it has to be thinner every single generation and so that usually means they're subtracting things rather than adding them which is a problem for people who are like super into Tech like are you complaining about the thickness of that that could be a little bit thicker if you got better battery life say a better camera right yeah or do you need it to be that thin no I'm good with it the way it is I like it the battery life is fun like the the six plus yeah it has a huge battery it's pretty D pretty good it has a huge battery I was actually okay with the six the six was okay the battery life was not bad it's just I I picked up one of these again and I was like I like the screen better I like the big screen bigger screen especially for like going on a website or something like that and reading emails or it's just the only

152:57argument the real argument against the big screen is one-handed use right so you're if you're a person who takes public transit you're on the subway and they got a coffee in one hand and then you can make the argument that like any of these giant phones it's difficult to interact with them one-handed well then the argument is the new iPhone the one that they've come out with that the old 4 in one yeah that sucker fits right in your hand oh it's perfect but it's so easy to text one-handed with oh yeah definitely I kind of I was kind of lukewarm about it just because it's like going backwards it's like what are we you know the stuff I get excited about is is is the in Innovation and and and sort of the the people behind it the research development and such and it's like anytime you see a company kind of going back but then again I thought about it when I made that when I made a

153:44video about it it's like well if you drive a Porsche you they don't look all that different like well not only that a Porsche is smaller than an SUV like if you invented an SUV and you're like I don't want to drive an SUV I want a little car that zips around and that's kind of what that phone is it's like a little sports car it's like yeah you could make yeah cuz it's fast it's fast they upgraded the camera I just yeah I feel like I feel like we could have seen a new design that's all it would have been interesting they've had a lot of time to figure out what they wanted to do with a smaller phone but the edgyness of that old phone it grips it's like it's got a a hard angular sort of edge to it one of the slipperiest phones that exist exactly well that's why I like this skin I got this skin it's it's got texture on the outside and it's wood you're you're

154:28you're gripping there yeah I like it so the issue with the next iPhone this is what I'm going to ask you Joe there's uh rumors they probably Beyond rumors that they're going to give up the headphone jack yeah that's gross you're not happy about that no I think that's gross I cut the what if you're going to get improved audio how much improved what are you doing you just making things proprietary like trying to sell a ton of Beats headphones is what they're trying to do they own see and then also the problem with that is are you going to be able to charge it at the same time is listening to music is it going to be one of those things so so here's the thing I had an idea I'm just going to put it out there because I'm not going to do it I'm too busy but like up for a set of headphones that use that Port that actually have a battery that charge your phone while you're listening because you

155:14know a lot of people carry around backup batteries anyways yeah anyway that's not a bad idea I'm not going to make it I'm like I said I'm busy that's not totally a bad idea but anyway the point being is like it's not Universal so you couldn't just be over at your friends and grab any pair of headphones all the stuff you may be already invested in a lot of people have invested a lot into audio and everything fits with this 3.5 millimeter Universal Jack and it's been that way for God 50 years more right more than 50 years it used to be a quarter inch Jack like this stuff here mhm which could be adapted but essentially it's been that analog connection for as long as there's been audio equipment so this is a big move if the leader in the marketplace gives up on that and goes with a strictly digital connection you can expect all the other people to follow suit because Apple just

156:00has that kind of pull well they were the first ones to abandoned a floppy disc remember that and then they were first ones yeah they they abandoned everything yeah I mean the new ones the new laptops they don't even have a USB they just have the C USBC yeah yeah like what one port to provide Power to interface with it it should really should have two most of the PC manufacturers with competitive products to that MacBook have two USBC ports yeah do you think that they're trying to establish the cloud is it is it to try to encourage people to upload data to the cloud that's part of it that's part of it but honestly not to be too uh pessimistic about it but Apple does have a history of this sort of planned obsolescence MH and I I fully believe that at least with the Next Generation a lot of people were hoping it would be this generation you'll just see that second

156:54port and they'll go now with two ports everybody runs to line up for it you know yeah but anyway um the two the the most controversial thing on the next version is certainly going to be this idea of giving up the headphone jack uh is that confirmed is pretty close I got a question about that wouldn't they still be able to use the let that little Port the to have headphones that plug into the charging port an adapter you mean those are new headphones everyone has to go buy but that doesn't completely kill headphones or yeah they could totally stick an adapter but then you'd have to have some new thing in your pocket that you'd hold on to you want that's annoying doesn't have to be an adapter but they could put out just like they put out earbuds with every iPhone they could just give you new ones that plug oh yeah no doubt a new ear yeah no doubt right but the

157:38problem is you wouldn't be able to charge it at the same time you would have to have one or the other I'm saying that wouldn't be Wireless the new ones they give you wouldn't be W they plug into the the port we charge into now right that's what I'm saying charen could charge listen at the same time I get you on that yeah know there's going to be some drawback and people are going to lose their and then everybody's going to buy the iPhone well it's it's so convenient that it works so seamlessly with your laptop and Macs do make the best operating system for home computers in my opinion I mean I don't know I'm I'm we're going to try some windows out because Razer is going to send us some I heard about this laptop holy am I invited to this party or what hell yeah you want to get in on the Doom party we're going to have a Doom you really know what you're getting into here in what way well I

158:23don't know I mean how elaborate will this thing be what kind of systems are you getting what's happening we're probably going to use razer's uh laptop systems they have gaming laptops that are pretty substantial yeah definitely and so Raz blade I actually was one of the razor um developers like early back in the day in the '90s excuse me yeah I was the one one of the guys who helped them with their mice get out of town you know how much cred you're get getting right now the original razor guy Robert kroff was a friend of mine and he was trying to figure out I met him I think at E3 I think I met him there I forgot where I met him but uh you know I was friends with like the ID software guys like way back in the day I met John carac way back during Quake 2 when they were developing Quake 3 I got to play Quake 3 like the early developer model um you were deep man yeah it was

159:13deep they had their original the razor Mamba their original u high sensitivity Mouse and ergonomically people didn't like it they loved the fact that it was like a really super sensitive um um module inside of it that would the sensor that would pick up the movement it was super sensitive and high DPI but we didn't like the ergonomic the shape didn't seem right what was wrong with the shape too flat it was a really weird shape it had like a hump in the back then it it leaned forward to a flat front like a duck's foot it was real weird do you remember the early sh I'm trying to remember it right now I don't I don't think I can pinpoint in my head well obviously people have different shaped and sized because some and and also some people employ the claw they have a different grip and so you would I guess you'd want a different shape depending on the grip youze there's a

160:00lot of there's a lot of variables right one of the variables is do you rest your arm do you rest your arm or you're a hoverer and do you got go with high sensitivity or you do low sensitive and quick movements and do you use um do do you use uh Mouse sampling like you know there's there's like where Mouse acceleration do you know know what that is so like if you move quicker the mouse actually moves quicker than that it like it it works on some sort of like a gyroscope or that's probably not the right word but like in accelerometer yeah accelerometer whereas if you move quicker it actually covers distance quicker than your movement it it it helps you move quicker and then when you're into fine slower movements it slows down some people like that some people don't like that depending on the game depending on how you play but for me it was first person shooters so me

160:50and um my friend Lou Morton who was a hardcore gamer who's one of the writers for news radio and a bunch of friends that were in my Quake Clan at the time we got together with the razor guy and we uh had a land party and we all disc we brought in a bunch of different shaped Mouse mice and uh we all showed which Mouse we used and why we used it and uh I believe at the time I was using a Microsoft mouse and uh I I really liked laser mice because they were they were back then they were um they were not quite good enough for uh for games they were a little awkward they weren't as sensitive they would they would miss things but they wouldn't require cleaning and the ball mice require cleaning oh God yeah right and so we all had these different ones that we would would use and so they compiled all of our suggestions and then created their next Generation mice H so this is

161:41in the 9s so I was like one of the early guys that helped them with uh the shape of M W so so imagine all the kids out there right right now with a razor Mouse I was just one of them there's a lot of people he's like don't get carried away there yeah I wouldn't I wouldn't do that because it was like gaming mouse that one of the big Logitech Logitech had the best shape I love Logitech mice I use one right now I use the uh what is it called the performance MX love it wouldn't use anything else but they had one that was specifically designed for gaming and it only had three buttons but the shape of it the Logitech gaming mouse just fit perfectly 518 I I that was a super popular gaming mouse back in the day but could be I mean they just called it the Logitech gaming mouse yeah it was it was a gray Mouse it didn't have any buttons other than the three buttons might be earlier than I'm

162:32thinking yeah it was kind of crude and primitive but people really loved it because like you would you would set these buttons for different things like some of them would set one of the buttons for a jump some of them would set one of the button like the way I would have it I would have the index finger would be my trigger that's how it would shoot the middle button would be a rail gun and the far left button would be a rocket launcher so if I wanted a rocket launcher I'd hit that far button it would come to me instantly and I could shoot it and then the rail gun would be the one that I would account on for like a long range sniper shot and so you have all your keys your keys would be in front of you w a s and D for movement and then various weapon keys were really close like lightning gun was up here A C you would hit that for this and that for that and you would

163:12configure it based on what you would like and so there was yeah that was one but that was not the one this is a this is probably a new I'm trying to find one from the '90s it's so hard but yeah don't no need but pretty that's pretty dope that one right there like the the there's they have tons of buttons now yeah like the performance mice now like you could have never mind the ones for those massive multiplayer games yeah those guys are crazy those mice can have like 30 40 buttons on them to trigger certain behaviors I don't know I'm not an expert in that space those games scare the out of me really those massive multiplayer games are the ones that just suck your life up oh yeah those those people just vanish from the world now what is going to happen with those people when they get a hold of something like this this box that we have in front of us leis and I were

164:00playing with this before the uh show and we had uh the gentleman in that that helped work with it yeah let me give them a shout out um master of shapes on Twitter these these guys they create um mostly VR experiences but this headset here is actually an AR headset and you may have heard of it's called the Microsoft Hollow lens essentially you've got a lens in front of you in a fairly narrow field of view but what ends up happening is you have this digital representation that's overlaid on your own physical space that's how I would describe it you you tried it out Joe why don't you uh give us some feedback well right now it's kind of crude um there's some holes in it and this this is just developer kit so it's not meant to be a polished consumer product but it's pretty it's pretty revealing as far far as what the potential is and we're in for a wild ride in the next 20 years I

164:54mean what we're seeing with this is a kind of a crude version of virtual reality in a video game where things are coming at you but you know they're you know they don't look real you know you're pressing a clicker you can shoot them out of the air it's kind of fun it's kind from a gaming perspective I still think uh the VR experiences are a lot more immersive than than something like this you can still see your surroundings exactly when you put the headset on and everything is gone and you're doing like some zombie game or some like I was uh so I was playing with the HTC Vive recently that's most people are saying that's the one to get for VR headsets really yeah over Oculus Rift yeah just the way the tracking is done it's a it's it's a very smooth experience they've got controllers that come with it uh that map against the headset itself they're they're Wireless you're still wired into

165:46huge gaming PC via your head mhm but it's kind of cool some of the demos I did have uh they have these like digital walls that you bump into so you know the sort of limits of where you can go but some people have done some really interesting things um if you can bring up Jamie into the void have you seen this yet no okay should I say anything or should we play the clip just play it okay play the clip into the void H yeah I'm uh curious as if someone is going to develop something like those laser tag warehouses oh my God how the did you just nail it how did you just nail it that's what we're about to watch somebody in Salt Lake City built this experience where you have this pack on which if you get shot it's like a it's like a an actual physical I think we have talked about this before did this come up I feel like this came up in one of the Red Band podcast I feel like it

166:36did too I'm looking for it right now uh or just void yeah see something called the void yeah yeah that might be it see because if you can establish if you can get a place where you have this enormous warehouse space and then in that warehouse space you set like have you ever um uh played paintball of course I played paintball once in Boston there's this place in Lynn that had these black lights and it was a warehouse you would run around there was boxes and all these barriers and so here it is right here okay here we go where dreams become reality okay so this girl is walking around and there's actual walls and she turns a corner and she's in some magical land so the computer in this case is in the backpack W so you're completely un oh my God and so they've constructed all this stuff unparalleled visuals and body tracking and so you're wearing a suit like an

167:31X-Men type uniform and it's uh got sensors on it Virtual Worlds built over physical environments I do believe we've talked about this this looks a little familiar now that we're getting into this part of it I don't feel like it looked like exactly I feel like this is an updated version of what we saw I think they've actually launch now I think you can actually go do it it's not just a concept 4D environmental effects so you got air that blows on you and W to go along with what's happening wow you get rain explore with and play against others waa so they they would have to be mapped in that physical space as well well at least you're going to move around a little and get some exercise I kind of like that I like the idea of actually holding a physical gun and being have have having to aim a physical gun give you some hand die coordination and by the way of course

168:20this is how they're going to train soldiers now oh yeah big time they're going to get people that are really good at doing it this way and they're going to train them for the battlefield this is wild man oh Jesus Christ Doom yeah you can imagine if when that thing grabbed hold of you and your vest is gripping you tighter and you're feeling the physical surroundings that's going to hijack our our sensory system big time sure especially when it gets better and better whereas like you you it's more and more reactive like you can feel it in very specific of your body if something grabs your shoulder like aie from behind you turn it actually has hand on your shoulder holy and the thing is after you know people grow up with those kinds of experiences how the are they going to go to the movie theater and just sit there they're not well the movies are going to have to

169:06ramp it up that will be yeah that'll be the equivalent of what it is maybe Disney maybe the ne maybe some Star Wars down the road you'll be in it well sometimes though you just want to go to the movies you know you want to go on a date eat some popcorn right although I think that I mean those experiences who knows who knows if the next generation will give a about any of that they they don't need a date they don't need the popcorn yeah right they don't even need a date that's what I'm saying they got it all figured out man they don't need to leave the house what is our personality like the collective personality human beings how much is it going to be affected by robot sex slaves 100% 100% no one will compromise for anything we we will be we will be such ugly dude or be like completely un needy no not at all I do not think so where you you want way in there we're

170:01getting real close to Demolition Man I feel like all the things that are happening with that Taco Bell is going to become everyone's favorite meal we're going to have to wipe our Taco Bell what it was in the movie three shells to wipe our asses and no one knows what that means still and that's what we're going ahead to yeah or the Matrix or whatever sci-fi film you choose Wonder ultimately I think we're just becoming we continue to have a smaller slice of the pizza and the digital realm the internet the data realm continues to have a bigger slice of the pizza so as long as that continues in that kind of uh direction we're going to we're going to become more and more passengers and less and less drivers no and and of course that's happening too but the I'm sure you heard about the model three yeah like they they moved so many units sight unseen like can you imagine buying a car

170:56without seeing it these people Teslas are so proven though and it's Elon Musk he's like literally Tony Stark exactly but all that stuff all that hype around it right it doesn't come easy it's all part of kind of a a perspective they represent something bigger like in so many ways Tech is like our God like we worship it like this is evidence of that in my opinion if you're going to buy something without seeing it that's the ultimate cult the ultimate coercion but you're only buying it from an A massively proven brand 100% 100% but it's like do you how many people do that with Porsche as well listen with iPhones with whatever Porsche has a model R that's coming out it's actually very retro the Porsche model R is so spoken for it's a 911 with a GT3 engine but a six-speed manual transmission and no uh none of the um external um um what am I looking for aerodynamic like spoilers and like

172:01that it looks like a regular 911 and all the aerodynamics are sort of built into the undercarriage of the car in order to keep it down at weight and what they've done is made a very retro type experience what about the electronics like uh well you can shut all that stuff off but this car there there's so few of them that they're selling this car now for a million doll this is a regular 911 that just has like retro capabilities and it's going for people are selling them sight on scene for a million dollars but I understand it at the high end because at the high end this is not car number one for most people right you know this is like yeah on a whim whatever I have some money burning a hole in my pocket in the case of the model 3 that's a $35,000 car right and they move wasn't that more understandable then how so cuz it's less of a risk no no no I'm talking about

172:48volume right so I looked at their numbers and then went and referenced it against like what about Honda Civic what about how significant is this number like I'm sure Porsche is only going to make what 50 of those you know I don't know not that many even not that many for North America yeah so in those cases you understand it like it's you know super exclusive they'll probably make like 9911 that's probably what they'll do exactly and and number one and number 911 will be worth the most and whatever but in this case it was like like there's not much as much that can be learned from a sort of small experiment like that but there's a lot more that can be learned from when you're when you're moving half a million cars yeah because then it's like holy this is now an industry Trend this is not like some outlier right and so when I saw the numbers and I'm like holy like

173:32Honda only sold this number of whatever last now we have this significant we kind of have proof of concept in a different way now yeah and I I definitely agree with you there and I think that the proven brand of Tesla has gotten people so excited about what this guy's capable of with a smaller less expensive car that like the the price of entry for Like the Model S or whatever it is the expensive one, a little too much when you come around with a $35,000 version of it and it looks pretty dope and it has that big laptop screen just like the other ones do like people just jumped in yeah oh yeah 100% but uh the part that brought me to Tesla in the first place was just the autonomy of them they're completely capable right now of driving themselves they do I have a buddy who does it he gets on the highway and texts oh yeah 100% drives well apparently the BMW 7 Series does

174:21the same thing as well but they might they want you to have your hand on the wheel it actually asks you to have your hand on the wheel which to me still makes a little bit of sense I know see that's the thing is obviously there's going to be some friction between where we're going and where we're at and how much control we're willing to give to these to these systems but you know getting back to the pizza thing it's like that's a huge one if we're willing up to if we're willing to give up control of our vehicles I think we're also probably willing to up control of a lot of other things yeah and you know uh I'm not sure if we talked about this before but there was this really interesting uh was it where did I I don't know if I read it or if it was on a podcast or something it was relating to Facebook in the early days and how one of the biggest issues they had was

175:04people getting tagged in photographs that didn't want to be tagged and so they had a they did this kind of test where they were like well how the hell do we get allow people to get taken off the photograph without having to go to their friend and saying I don't want to be tagged in that photograph because that was an embarrassing thing to do right and so what they did is they put in these stock answers like that you can send off to your friend like select ABC like I don't I don't want to be in that photo or I look stupid or whatever and the second that they made it a multiple choice way more people be began to use it because they didn't have to come up with their own reason ah they felt like it was more accessible so humans are low friction like we're lazy as and many times we get overwhelmed at the prospect of having to come up with our own I don't know our

175:54own method for dealing with the awkwardness of life so if you can imagine in the future if these things our phones and the systems we interact with get really smart at figuring out the correct responses for certain inquiries let's say a girl texts you and she's like hey man meet me at 8 p.m. or call me later what if your phone knows better than you are than you do at what the correct response is if you want to sleep with her later like here's the 50% likelihood if you say this this might be the outcome but if you say that you understand where I'm going with this well sort of but that doesn't take into account personality and the playful nature the people engage in each other how that's attracted it takes into account nothing of that right okay but you and I are fully aware of that Facebook has this exorbitant amount of data to say people aren't doing that right people prefer to have the

176:46stock response look at Emoji where the did Emoji come from and now everybody's like it's like there's a face for everything right you used to make your own fake ones on your phone characters right and before that you didn't do it at all I still do that I don't use emojis well anyway they blew up everybody's using them now as this alternative form to expressing yourself with the tools you have available because they're de facto so there's something accepting about seeing I I answering a multiple choice question versus one that requires more input from you the same reason people jump to conclusions when they're building a response or a perspective on any of those issues and I I Envision a future I mean if you've ever used any of the wearable devices I'm not wearing one right now they bother me way too much what do you got on there what is that this is just a G-Shock it's a plain

177:33watch okay because these things like I don't understand how that's helpful to be quite honest inter it interrupts more than anything else it's like the objective was what to get me to look at my phone less but now I'm I'm I'm flashing you in the face every 5 Seconds that is odd like they really didn't solve the problem maybe people we have to figure out how to use them better but one thing I noticed immediately on the Apple watch when I was experimenting with it was the autor responses for questions for for texts for anything it would have five or six options for how to get back to that person and maybe none of them are perfect but just the easiness of it is why you want to interact with it you're like ah maybe I'm not late because I'm at the grocery store but it's easier than pulling out my phone and telling the person where I actually am how far away do you think we are from entire

178:18conversation is taking place with predetermined questions and answers this is what I'm talking about I'm saying that pizza is shrinking and our involvement in any of this the meaning of any of this is becoming less evident eventually it'll be computers talking to computers through us and then we'll just be the vehicle for the delivery and we'll be the thing that helps it get to that point well isn't that the thing that people are worried about more than anything anyway is artificial intelligence and what better way for artificial intelligence to emerge than to convince us to stop using our own yes yes it's an interesting it's an amazing hack it it plays on our own inability to put in work well it also it it reduces variables and it it cuts down the unlikelihood of success it cuts down on all the the possible pitfalls and mistakes and chooses a much more

179:11potentially successful scenario for you and this is what's going on on the web on a daily basis when you're on YouTube and that next recommended video and smers sitting around day and night AB testing what works on Joe Rogan what works on this other person and then hyperfocusing in on the success stories and finding the things that are Universal and ultimately what we end up finding out is that we we all think we're so unique yet our behaviors take the complete opposite we all do the we're expected to do what so FAS that no one saw any of this coming either like 10 years ago no one thought that that was going to be a real issue that you're going to have a bunch of predetermined answers to a phone call coming in how do you respond with a text it gives you a bunch of options no nobody nobody thought that that was like a slippery slope how about this how about how do you trust that anything

180:07you're going to be like is the robot talking to me again or is it actually you this time you know what I mean you imagine having those conversations with your loved ones yo turn your turn your robotic resp off yeah right because what about getting back to people right I suck at it what about robotic robotic responses that mimic the way that you talk yes because they're analyzing your keyboard in real time and making suggestions already they're already pulling the data you know but the thing is we know we're lazy to begin with now if we can get this system in place to autores I can't even get to all the emails I have right now right so if I can turn this guy on when I'm not available this responder answer emails for you go oh if you could download your Consciousness into a robot assistant that knows exactly what you would say robot version of me is it me saying it though nope I don't

181:01know what is then you're getting into like the whole what is consciousness thing is like I don't even know if it's transferable if it is transferable then it would be you right is it essential yeah is it necessary or are these emotions and all these things that we're clinging to we hold on to so dearly are they just artifacts of our ancient primate ancestors yeah 100% definitely I think the cool part of this like the the the weird thing to identify is how our physiology has been kind of the system for the distribution like our own we talked we started off the podcast talking about entitled people talking about that self-centric emerging kind of way of living and you look at these things that's what they needed they needed us to develop into those people we had to become dependent on them we had to have everything we wanted to see available on a whim for us to become the

181:53person necessary to continue this distribution process we had to rely on it we had to stop relying on ourselves in order to enable the Reliance on something else we shut down our own sort of our own sort of response mechanisms for a lot of I wake up in the morning and this thing I pick it up yeah I pick it up and I look at it and my NE is cranked up and I'm in pain and why have I not had a coffee yet why am I not on my way to work why am I not making something that I get incredible amount of fulfillment out of yeah there are and again I think a lot of people aren't willing to admit this nobody ever wants to admit that something has control over them but like in this particular case there are plenty of times where I go why am I looking at this right now and I'm still looking you know what I mean it's and then you'll check something else and you go look at this it is it is in a lot

182:44of ways well that's why a lot of people are flipping the flip phon great transition I have a a phone in my office right now it's called punked bring up a picture of this thing Punk it's made by a company in Denmark it is the intentionally modern nice to look at Dum phone for people trying to get off the system bring it up whatever happened to discipline see is that fair is it fair sure if you leave heroin out are you are you going to shoot heroin I don't shoot heroin well here's the thing are you going to shoot heroin I have discipline yeah I'm sure it's wonderful but the heroin addicts it's right there you can't have it right there what happens what happened when they put uh what was that study the cocaine in the mouse yeah that stud is no good no no here's why because it's in an artificial environment oh yeah they they were pissed they were depressed to begin with

183:30well they're in a cage and they're in they're being stared at by people if you take those mon those St mice and you leave them in the woods they wouldn't be doing happy Woods mice but here's the thing you have data and you have opinion right and in in big big digital companies they value one way more than the other right data and the truth of the matter is that people can't can't keep away right whether whether we want to argue it to you know it's like we are the proof the evidence is out there where it's hijacked our curiosity with every click something fascinating may come even if it doesn't there you go even if it doesn't there you go so it's like discipline over what discipline over the way we think about everything yeah know I mean it's like well we just have to recognize when it becomes a problem stop using it that way yeah but it I again I think that's like uh that's

184:20it's not going to slow it down any it's not going to slow it down for everybody that's for sure or most people the sort of mass the mass movement continues on and you find this Punk thing and we he can't find it oh it's p u n KT sorry they're getting Fancy with what can I say they're from Denmark maybe that's how they spell it there yeah it has it has battery life for like two weeks really all it does is make phone calls you know anyway yeah look at that little guy right there the punked phone launched at the London design Festival lets you call and text it also has nice buttons and it's easy to hold and that's about it okay but the texting even is that old school method of like yeah so you're not going to want to yeah yeah you press four times to get a z yeah yeah but see the weird thing was for somebody who wanted to make this statement you had to go buy like literally some old old

185:18device well here's a new one it's it's it's a modern design but it's intentionally dumb yeah you know what this you know what the designer is saying about it is like they're not trying to convince people to quit with their smartphone they're just saying hey put a SIM card in it set up call forwarding when you go on vacation and don't and just don't take this if somebody really needs you they can get in touch with you right you know but otherwise you're not going to have that pull and so I haven't cracked it open yet I'm going to do a challenge well i' like a flip phone better than that honestly cuz flip phones you can shut it to hang up which is like the ultimate hang up cool it's pretty cool yeah I mean that was I missed that click yeah KK out you know flip phones are cool don't get me wrong I had I had a flip phone too I don't know why they took that particular approach I just

186:06think they're interesting because they're the they're making that statement as opposed to like the flip phone Marketplace which is just like old leftover phon I feel like you could just have discipline I'm maybe I'm old school such thing man I like it I use discipline listen I think discipline is incredible it's it's one of the it's one of the greatest characteristics a human being can have but I didn't say but you were ready to you said but no I mean when it comes to phones I think we have the evidence I think we have the evidence even you even you I believe you have that moment that I spoke of oh 100% definitely do so where's the discipline at that point when I realize it I put it down right but it's too late it already got you it already click baited you no then I realized the next day and I don't do it check my text messages when I wake up I look people I care about that

186:50actually have my number I look at that okay and I check my emails or anything super important I have to get to and then I put that down and then I go about my dayb and you know what I think I'm coming off kind of harsh here I'm a guy who like talks about technology all the time it sounds like I'm on technology no you're just recognizing a real issue that's all and and so I'm going to do an experiment I have the punk phone I'm going to do and I'm announcing it here okay it's the first time here anybody's heard of it CU how long you going to live on the punk phone this what I want to ask you I'm going to send you text messages with nothing but YouTube links nothing but links to websites Joe this a great I want to Rick Roll you this is sabotage this is a real question for you coming from your perspective how long do I need to do it for to really gather the Insight necessary to say hey

187:39this is how this thing is changing me I think you should talk to someone who's done it like what you should do is you should uh have a conversation with Ari shafir so he's had a text phone or a flip phone rather for over a year now still oh yeah yeah he decided he was an addict and he said look I'm not going to change it any other way I I tried to say well just have some discipline nope not going to do it cuz I'm an addict and so he just got a flip phone and that's all he uses he has a flip phone that flips two ways so he can flip it sideways and actually has a full keyboard so he he can send a reasonable text message but that's what he does H yeah to him I mean I some people have told me that in order there some like in order to build a habit it has to be 30 days I think it's 90 oh that ain't going to happen you can't do it for 90 days dude what am I GNA do on my

188:31channel would you do it for 30 though 30 days 30 was the high end of consideration I was thinking two weeks yeah give it a shot yeah I don't know but for me it's hard because like it's kind of my business too it's like it's like it's different well it's mine as well with comedy um I Rely heavily on information I Rely and and podcasting as well I Rely really heavily on like finding out what's going on in the world what's what's the new latest that's going down right now I mean so many times during this podcast Jamie will pull something up as the podcast is going on like breaking news check this out Paris Paris just got attacked or this just happened or that you know Conor McGregor retired we got to end this we're out of time okay really are we oh we flew by three three plus hours what yeah we're over three hours win dude see it's so easy like it's what

189:20we were saying before like it's really harder to end it than it is to just I mean it's easy to keep going keeping going is the easy part leis from unbox therapy ladies and gentlemen enjoy it on YouTube the most uh really intensive uh like comprehensive breakdowns of Technology from a cool dude thanks brother appreciate it man we'll do this more often man you got it you see you soon was