Steven Crowder

00:00Write it and we'll do it live. We'll do it live! Fuck it, we'll do it live! That will go down in history, right? As one of the all-time, like, hissy-fit celebrity moments. It was one of the first remixes, too. Did you ever see the Bill O'Reilly remix, the dance remix? I was amazed by that with Bill O'Reilly, where he was going, no, they're going, yeah, that's what we're going to do. I don't know what that means to play us out! I'm like, how do you not know what it means to play us out? He's so angry. Yeah, so angry. Yeah, he's an angry man. We were talking before the podcast started about some... No, no, no, no, no. You don't want to talk about it? No, I can't talk about that. That's inside information being at Fox for years. I can't. But bad stuff. Okay, I'll let it go. But you can talk about Moby, though, right? Yeah, we can talk about Moby. Moby says he has, like, inside information about Donald Trump,

00:52that he knows that Donald Trump talked to the Russians. First of all, when you look at Moby with his fucking hashtag vegan t-shirt on, do you really think anybody in the Russian fucking intelligence community is talking to Moby? Actually, it would be a brilliant ploy from the Russians. They just give a little info to Moby, like, you go, you tell them, and he's going to do it, you know? You should definitely leak this information. Yes. It will be the downfall. Then they found out he wasn't Enya, and they made a mistake. He, um... He... My mom was the wardrobe stylist, so costume designer for a show called Le Crie. It's like the French-Canadian sort of letterman, like, kind of like Graham Norton in England. So they'd have stars come in all the time, and Moby was there. He was just a head case. The guy was just absolutely out of his mind.

01:30Nothing was good enough, and he would want something and then say he wanted to change it. Like, what kind of things did he want to change? I don't know. I can tell you this. There were only two people who made my mom, like, come home crying. One was Brett Butler. Brett Butler from... Grace Under Fire. Oh, well, she was all pilled out of her head. Yeah, she was. Was this in the 90s? Yeah, she did the Just Relapse, too. My mom. She was the wardrobe person. You might have even, if you did one of the galas. No, I never did the galas, because they wanted me to work clean. Did they put you on the nasty show? Yes, I was always on the nasty show. They always advertised it. And then I was on my own shows. After a while, I would do my own shows. But the gala, they were always like, you have to be clean. I'm like, not interested. Yeah. Not interested in being clean for Canadian TV for no money. Thanks, though.

02:13Well, the flip side is the nasty show. Like, just don't market it that way. Just make the show. And everyone would come in like, I'm going to the nasty show. Yeah, but they liked it. Like, that was, they would go to see it. And it would be like the way that the festival would sort of differentiate. I don't know. I don't know. Not the worst name for a show. I guess. It just seems like they're little kids in the schoolyard. Like, he said a bad word. Like, we know comedians. It's going to be a raw show. Dirty. Dirty people. Yeah. Nasty. Speaking of nasty, we are gentlemen today. And we have pipes. Oh, yeah. Because Crowder had a, um. I don't think we said that. I'm Crowder, by the way. I don't think we even mentioned it. No, I don't ever do that. Do you know? We just start talking. Steven Crowder, who's from Louder with Crowder, his internet show.

02:53And he has a thing on his internet show where you have like a little pipe rack. What would you call them? Yeah, a pipe rack. Like a trolley. Would you call it a trolley? Just a pipe rack. Pipe rack. Okay. I wanted to come up with a better name. You wanted to come up with a better name? So you went to Mr. Rogers' neighborhood right away. The trolley. So I saw it. I said, I always wanted to smoke a pipe, man. I just think they smell good. Yeah. Have you, did you smell that? Did you smell that? That's actually from my brother out there. That's called a seersucker. So your brother's a serious pipe. He knows more than I do. Yeah. So isn't this like, a seersucker's a type of suit, right? I know, but that's what they call it. Oh, so they call this seersucker? There's all kinds of weird names, like Lane 1Q is really common. It smells actually really good. It smells really nice. It's interesting.

03:31And then you have English blends, which he smokes. We don't want to do that now. It's super heavy nicotine, but like Latakia, you get some Perique. It's very smoky, like incense-y, barbecue-y. I have some Dunhill nightcap, which it'll put you to sleep, though. So how much do you put in the pipe? So, like a pinch? People are thinking, yes, no, here's the rule. So what you're going to do is put it up to the brim. Up to the brim. Just kind of the brim. Pack it in there. No, no, don't pack it in yet. The general rule is the first, when you tamp it down with your finger, the strength of a child, then you fill it again, the strength of a woman, and you fill it a third time with the strength of a man. Okay. So a child? Yeah, just barely. Now a little more. Strength of a woman. Well, what kind of a woman, man? Like a Chris Cyborg woman? No, not like a Cyborg.

04:10Let's not talk about that, because that can go sideways in this show. Okay, woman. It's already gone sideways. I know. The fact that I said her name. She's like Candyman. I'm going to Vige, Joe. Then a man. Yeah. What kind of a man? Like a Moby man, or like me? Um, what I'm saying? Well, Nakejere just is arm wrestling Courtney, who's like super CrossFit extraordinaire this week. She's really strong. She can like squat 265. Whoa, that's a lot. But I think he's going to smoke her in the arm wrestling. Why do you think that? Well, people can tune in and watch. I think because he's a man. Wow. Sexist. I am, yeah. Right away. Well, she thinks he's going to win too. Wow. But the bet is like 74. She setting him up. Yeah. So you tamp that down. Tamp it. Okay. Like what you want is to be a little springy. Okay. I got a little springy there. Yeah, a little springy. Running on moss perhaps? Yes. Yes, exactly. Okay.

04:56And then I didn't have a lighter. You got to follow in there too. So what you do is you light it once and that's what we call the charring light. So what you're going to do is you're going to see that tobacco. Oh, this is already turning me off. I know. I know. It's too involved. By the way, only tobacco in that pipe or it'll ruin the briar. Let's just... You mean if I put weed in there, it'll fuck it up? Well, you won't be able to taste the tobacco from there forward. Yeah, because it'll taste like something better than tobacco. So around in a circle. Yeah, around in a circle. Do I suck on it while I do it? Suck on it while you do it. Oh, gosh. And then you're going to see that tobacco kind of raise up. So puff it. Keep puffing on it. Yeah. And then you tamp it down one more time once it goes out and then you light it again. Okay. This is super involved. I know it is.

05:37It's not something you just kind of light and go. And it won't last long on the show. Hold up. Immediate head rush, by the way. Really? Oh, yeah. By the way, don't inhale it. Just puff it. Too late. Well. I'm a pot smoker, bro. Well, you don't want to inhale that. There's no filter on that. What are you, pussy? Well, I'm saying that's like you'll get actual chunks of tobacco in your lungs. There's no filter. That's a big, big... Maybe you will. Well. Not me, bro. Probably. You toss the matches over here. Maybe you, bro. But smell that, though. Doesn't that smell nice? I got to stop inhaling it. Now, do I use a lighter? Can I use a lighter? Yeah, as long as it's not a jet lighter. Because that'll damage the briar. So. Like I said, it's not a... I like it. I feel like a distinguished gentleman. Like, who's that... Nigel Farage? No. No, he's not that distinguished. He's an asshole, but he's a lot of fun.

06:31He's fun to listen to him talk to people. I love when you guys had that thing when he... Oh, the Thug Life? Yeah, the Thug Life thing. It was hilarious. Yeah. Not Gay Jared came over and gave you a lap dance. I was a queen. You guys were getting silly. Yeah. We got word that Nigel likes that show. I don't know how true it is, but... Well, you guys are one of the very few... I mean, you're a conservative guy, but I would say you get a bad rap, dude. You really do. And it's one of the reasons why I like you is because you are... You're a pretty much fact-oriented guy when it comes to a lot of issues. Political issues, social issues. You don't bullshit. And you don't... You don't, like, try to sway things toward one side or the other when it's not accurate. It's not factual. Well, I appreciate that. And by the way, these probably will go out. You have to relight it because it's just kind of an art, so...

07:21But I've had people talk to me about you, and they give me this bullshit take on you. And I'm like, no, he's a smart guy. I go, he's just... Yeah, he's conservative. Yeah, I know a lot of people that are liberal, too. Yeah. And a lot of people that are in the middle. You can't talk to someone because they have... Well, I appreciate that. And not to kiss Ashton, but people out there need to know that Joe has been incredibly fair and very kind behind the scenes. You have, like... Because you have every reason not to. And I think a big reason of it, honestly... Here's a good example. The Young Turks. And we've seen this transition with Trump or people who are really afraid to speak out now. You're seeing that change online because the establishment has been Barack Obama. So kids who were raised for eight years under Bush, man, I hate Bush, you know, listen to NoFX, go to the Vans Warped Tour, whatever it is.

08:04And now they've been raised under Obama for eight years, and all this political correctness is run amok, and they're rejecting that. So for the longest time, you know, I had this small YouTube channel, and I was on Fox, so I was kind of muzzled a little bit because I was there, and there were certain things that I could say or couldn't say online because it was a liability. You were a little youngish at the time as well. I was 21. I was going to take you seriously. Yeah, I was 21 years old. Yeah, you little fresh-faced little lad. How old are you now? You're not even that old now. How old are you now? I'm 29. Yeah, you're a young fella. Well, and so what happened is they kind of had their interpretation from whatever the Young Turks said about me. Because when I had 50,000 subscribers, it was like their day job to go after me. And now when I've had Alex Jones on,

08:40we've been doing proactive parodies of the Young Turks, calling them out, asking them to debate. They will trash talk every conservative not named Steven Crowder. It's like I'm Voldemort. My name won't be spoken. When I had 50,000 subscribers, they would talk about me all the time and they had, you know, a million or two million. Now that's changed and people are able to come here directly. I feel lonely that you're not smoking a pipe. Sorry, well, give me your lighter. The matches are getting annoying. Yeah. Thank you. So, you know, I'd like to think, but, you know, there's also the real possibility that people just don't like me because, you know, I'm kind of a dick. Well, you can be a dick sometimes. Yeah. But you're a funny dick. Like, you do some funny shit. Like, one of the things that you did that was really funny was, what was that feminist rally thing that you went to?

09:21Was this the recent one where it was a tranny? Yeah. And I actually interviewed Wendy Davis. I don't think you're supposed to say tranny, bro. Yeah, I don't really care. Well, that's why people don't like me sometimes. But I think now you're seeing more people say that. They don't care. I think it's funny when they start making words taboo. I really do. Like, people said tranny forever and then all of a sudden it's like disparaging. Like, okay. I even noticed in the new Bill Burr special, he said like, oh, what are you going to do? You fucking marry? And I was like, he would have said fag four years ago because he did in his special and he used the word marry talking about like a sissy. I was like, that's not a word we ever heard him use before. Oh, Bill uses that word. Does he? Yeah, that's a Boston word. Yeah, you fucking marry. Yeah, people call guys marries. Well,

10:02maybe he's trying to be a little bit more politically correct. You know what I do? I use the word, but I do it in character. Yeah, because you feel like if I said it and they're like, if I say like faggot like that, well, I didn't say it. Nigel said it. That was not me. I had this joke about tigers in Texas because I don't know if you know my, this is a true story from my last Netflix special. There are more tigers in captivity in Texas than there are in all of the wild of the world. In private collections, in people's backyards, there are more tigers in Texas than the rest of the fucking planet Earth. That is a fact. That is a real stat. Because they can have them. Just a bunch of dentists who carried them back in a pickup truck? Just dudes. I know people that know people that have tigers. I know people in Texas whose friends have tigers. They just, you can have a tiger. Are you aware, by the way,

10:51what's the biggest cat, you probably know this, but the biggest predatory cat? Do you know what it is? Well, ligers, but it's not, they're not viable. They can't breed. Well, I thought the lion at first. Siberian tiger is so much bigger. I went back in the Roman times, in the Coliseum. This is what, and I can't entirely corroborate this. I will say this, but I can corroborate it when you do. So they would bring out the lions, and they said the lions have to be on three points and can paw, whereas the Siberian tigers would leverage back and pounce. Yeah. They said it wasn't even close. Not to mention that the tigers are way bigger, but they were able to just go back on their two legs, whereas the lion has to have three points of contact, which is like a dog giving the paw. Yeah. Yeah. So when I saw that, I was like, well, that's something that's pretty incredible, because you see a lion, I mean, you know,

11:34I saw the ghost in the darkness, and that's pretty scary, but it's not even close. The mountain lion will fuck you up, dude. Like, just a small mountain lion, an 80-pound mountain lion will fuck you up, but a Siberian tiger will fuck you up in ways you couldn't possibly imagine. Well, I have a dog, Hopper, Dogo Argentino. Oh, those are big dogs. Well, you can Google it. They're quite sketched, too. They're not. They are not. You gotta train them good, but they're sketched. 200 votes, which I felt bad about, because it was a gag. So who knows if that changed the state of Michigan. But, by the way, if it starts going out, you put two fingers over, kind of create a slipstream, and suck it in, and it'll give you, probably not now, you probably need to relight it. It's not like a cigar. It's not good to talk and smoke a pipe. It's meant to be more contemplative. Bertrand Russell used to smoke a pipe. Did he?

12:18I don't know if you knew about it. He did it back in the voice. You need to say a bad word with the voice. Bertrand Russell used to speak. And he was a tranny. It was one of the things, like, he wanted to fly, only fly if he could smoke on the plane, because he was so addicted to tobacco, that he had to constantly smoke. There he is. Look at him. Look at him. Such a distinguished gentleman. Every time smoking a pipe. That's how he would speak. But it is, it is very relaxing, because it's kind of, like jujitsu, you've used the term moving meditation. When you're sitting down there outside, at the end of the day, if you don't focus on it, it's going to go out. It's not like a cigar. It's not like a cigarette. So you have to sit there and focus on the draw, focus on the exhale, and all you're thinking about is the pipe. So it really is kind of a contemplative art. No, you're getting fucked up on tobacco.

13:03Why are you lying, man? You're lying to people. What were we talking about before that? Tigers in Texas. There's more tigers in Texas. so Doggo Argentinos, if you run a YouTube search. You're a little more scatterbrain than me, dude. You're going all over the place. If you run a YouTube search on Doggo Argentino mountain lions, you will see Doggo Argentinos messing up actual mountain lions. Yeah, you know why? Because the mountain lion wants to get away. It's probably true. The mountain lion doesn't want to fight to the death. The mountain lion is a predatory animal. Predatory animals don't necessarily fight to the death. It's one of the reasons why dogs are so fucking dangerous because dogs are bred to not feel pain, not recognize pain. That's one of the things about pit bulls. They're not the biggest, strongest dogs, but they're bred to ignore pain. And that drive to attack and ignore pain makes them very problematic.

13:44You just used the word problematic. Let's ban that word. I love that word. Especially when I'm smoking a pipe. But yeah, that's what they're bred for. They're actually really people-oriented because they're bred to be protective of people and hunt with people. So they're not bred to fight dogs. Right. So a lot of actually people, that's why we got Hopper, he's a rescue. Out in Michigan, a lot of guys in the inner cities bought them things. And this is like a bigger pit bull. They're going to be great dog fighters. They were horrible and they just got abandoned. So there's all kinds of doggos out there in western Michigan. I don't know if there still are. Wild doggos? Well, just our dog, Hopper. Oh, look how cute. That looks very much like our dog, Hopper. Look how cute, they're so big. Such a big dog. Well, ours is a little bit of a runt. He's about 90 pounds because we found him with a broken leg, a roam on the streets, alopecia,

14:33Lyme disease. So you rescued him right off the street? Well, no. He was rescued into a lady who specialized in doggos and then we took him from her. And he's the most people-oriented dog we've ever seen. I mean, to the point where he'll actually, the biggest problem you have is if you stop petting him and you don't know him, he'll growl for you to keep petting him. So kids are like, okay, and they're terrified. Well, that seems like a dicky dog. Yeah, a little bit. He's needy. I have a dog called a Regency Mastiff. Oh, yeah, those are no joke. Yeah, it's a Neapolitan that's bred with a pit bull, so they're about 140 pounds. They're more athletes. This is great. Yeah. My kids ride him. Like, literally ride him. They get on top of him and he'll just walk around. You're going to get PETA on you for that now. They shouldn't be riding dogs. He's older now. Poor, poor fella. He's like 11. He's got some hip problems. He walks with a limp. Well,

15:21thank you for having me back even though part of your audience doesn't like it. Dude, it's changed now. Don't be defensive. Don't say that. Don't worry about that. Have you noticed a change kind of in the air of Trump? Well, culturally, I think there's, I know this sounds like a broken record, but counterculture wise, you have a lot of people who were afraid to even speak up even from the last time I was on the show where they've been called racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic as a new thing where everyone's going, you know what? All right, fine, let's go with that. I think if you were to hold the election today, Donald Trump would win in a landslide. Wouldn't even be close. Really? Yeah. That's because of how bad the behavior has been from the left. The rest of America, I had my Uber driver coming here and she believed every lie. Her name, she was a Latino woman. Why ever talk to Uber drivers about politics?

16:04That always seems to end in a TMZ video. That would explain why I have a 4.2 rating. So I'm right at the threshold of losing my Uber privileges. Are you serious? Yeah. So like you get a rating as a customer? Yeah, you get a rating as a customer. What's a good rating? A 10? You have a 4.2? No, no, it's 5. It's out of 5. Oh, that's not that bad. No, it's not that bad. But if you go under 4, you're out. No. Yeah, you're out. So you go, like someone could find you right now. Uber drivers could like unite. Yeah. And blackball you. They could, well my friend, I can't say his name because it's illegal, actually had his concealed carry with him in an Uber and he forgot his magazine and that person rated him like a 1. So it took one bad rating to drop his score because he had to call him and say, hey, I think I forgot something in the back of your car. And they're like, well, what is it? Like a magazine? He's like, oh, like a people magazine?

16:50Or he's like, no, just look. And the guy was just on the phone with him saying, what did you do in my car? And he just said, I was going to the range. He wasn't. He carries a gun on him everywhere he goes. But this lady, Uber, LA, she decided to start talking about it, talking about the women's march and stuff. So I just, it's hard for me to say nothing. But we ended up on very good terms. This is a different story. This is not the magazine. This is not the magazine story. And she, are you on drugs right now? Any speed or anything? I don't do drugs. You're very quick. Everything's going quick. Well, once you settle into the show, I'm not, well I had that nitro coffee and I came from coffee being tea leaf where I'd already had. That is 270 milligrams caffeine. So I've probably got about 500, 600 milligrams. Yeah, that's like two Grande Starbucks coffees. Seriously. I think we've gotten to the middle of that mystery. Like a Venti's 200.

17:36Yeah, it's closing in on two Grandes. But she said, she's like, well Donald Trump called all Mexicans rapists. I said, no. She goes, Donald Trump is going to ruin gay rights. Why are you arguing with people? Well, because it's just in my nature. And I said, well why? She goes, because Donald Trump removed the gay rights thing on the website. I said, what about the fact that all presidents, they remove everything from the previous administration and they put up new, a whole new whitehouse.gov website. And these people, they buy in LA, they're in such an insular bubble. I don't think they realize that there's a whole bunch of people who voted for Donald Trump and I wasn't a fan of him in the primaries. But they didn't vote for him because they're racist. They didn't vote for him because they don't want Caitlyn Jenner to take a dump at Trump Towers. They didn't vote for him because they hate brown people. They voted for him

18:17because they're tired of being called all those things. And that's why I think you see a lot of these young people who just kind of want to be instigators and provocateurs. But at the same time, they're appreciating more traditionalism and some of the values their parents tried to instill in them because that's kind of more rebellious than going along with the entertainment industry. Well, there's always this sort of longing for nostalgia that people exhibit. There's always like, back in the good old days. Like, back in the good old days is bullshit. Because the good old days, you died of syphilis. And the good old days, people got fucking plagued from rats. Right. There's no good old days. This is the good old days right now. So there's always that, right? There's always this longing for nostalgia. But I think you're right with some people. But for sure, there's some people that are racist that voted for Donald Trump

18:59just because some people are racist. Oh, sure. Yeah, of course. But to try and paint, I mean, if you look at the numbers, a huge percentage of people who voted for Barack Obama had to have voted for Donald Trump, particularly in Michigan and Pennsylvania. There just aren't the numbers there. Well, don't you think that they probably voted for him? A lot of it is for economic reasons because they thought that he's going to loosen up some regulations, encourage industry. I think it's the opposite. I think a lot of the union voters, they thought Hillary Clinton was in the pocket of Goldman Sachs. Right. And they thought Donald Trump with his sort of economic protectionism is going to bring jobs back to the Midwest. Right, like encourage industry. But that's one of the things I disagree with them on. I disagree with the idea of, for example, I've been in Michigan. The unions have a stranglehold. I would rather GM

19:40be able to move to Texas or anywhere they want to be competitive in the car market. But I can't even get to that because as soon as I'm going, well, you know, hold on, Donald Trump made a mistake here. I disagree with him because then there's a women's march where they're lighting hair on fire and calling him literally Hitler. They're lighting hair on fire? What do you mean? At the women's march, girl got her hair lit on fire. A girl? Yeah, by someone with one of those pussy hats. See, you know what, man? The thing about that stuff is it's always one fucking person or a couple people out of hundreds of thousands that are acting in that mob mentality and doing violent shit. Incorrect. Oh, come on, man. There's not that many people that do violent shit at those women's marches. That's why there was no arrests. No, every... Well, there were no arrests at the Lansing protest either where they cut down a tent with box cutters.

20:22There were... What's the Lansing protest? When it went right to work. That was a big thing where I was there. But even the inauguration protest... Is that the one you got punched? Yeah, I did get punched. Yeah. So that wasn't fun. That was hilarious. That guy couldn't punch. Well, I know, but when you're not expecting... Why throw a punch when you don't know how to punch? Like, come on, fella. Well, think about everywhere leftists gather, though. Whether it's Woodstock back then, Woodstock 99, Woodstock back then was violent? Yes. No. There were so many rapes. There were so many rapes. How do you know? Were you there? There were reports of rapes that occurred. Were they rape rapes or were they like... I think back then they were rape rapes. Back then, Lena Dunham wasn't, you know, shoving fast food napkins in her sister's cooch claiming she was raped because she saw the condom in a potted plant. So... What? Lena Dunham.

21:07She claimed she was raped because she saw the condom on a plant after she was drunk on muscle relaxers. I feel like we always go back to Lena Dunham. Yeah. I didn't know about that story. I knew that there was some sort of a gross interaction with her younger sister. Yeah. She was reaching in her vagina. But the point is anywhere leftists gather, there is always violence. Don't you think that's a giant exaggeration? I mean, when the women's march in LA had no violence, there was no arrest, there was no nothing. Well, hold on a second. You say there was no violence, but people said there was no violence at all these other marches, right? But I have a bunch of friends that went... Again, it's like isolated incidents. Well, no. When you have to look at a trend, right? I'm not saying everyone. Not saying everyone. But if you've got a million people in LA, a million people marched, it's 970,000 people. Okay. But you have way more

21:51than that with the Tea Party, which was accused of being racist, not one incident. Wait a minute. There was never way more than that. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You never had a march in LA that had more people than 970,000 for the Tea Party. No, more people across the country with the first Tea Party. Yeah. Yeah, more people across the country with the Tea Party. There's no way. Yeah. Hold on a second. Not a march in pussy hats. So the day of the Women's March when there were hundreds of thousands of people all over the country marching together in one day. Yeah. There was never a movement like that for the Tea Party. Yes, there was. A day where the Tea Party had more. The one day was Glenn Beck 400,000 in Washington, D.C. Okay, that's less than was in LA for the Women's March. But across the country, because there were so many, like in Dallas, there were four or five different ones across Dallas. In the same day.

22:33Except in the same day. Come on. Yeah, in the same day. Now, not in one city. How many different cities? I'll give you that. How many different cities had a march like that? For the Tea Party? Yeah. They were in hundreds of cities. Hundreds of cities simultaneously in one day and it was bigger than the Women's March. Certainly comparable. Well, comparable does not mean bigger. Well, certainly comparable, not a single incident and they left the places cleaner than they found them. You look at Occupy Wall Street. That's sweet. Over 500 crimes including felonies. You look at the Women's March. Let's disregard the crime. People up there with pussy hats bringing their two-year-old with the most profane, disgusting signs you can imagine. When leftists congregate, it's generally not a peaceful assembly. Not in the same way as when people who are right-wing congregate. Look at Berkeley. Jake Shields, a vegan from Berkeley,

23:16is becoming conservative. He's a vegetarian. Sorry. Vegetarian from Berkeley is becoming conservative because he just said this was the rule, not the exception in Berkeley. Well, I know Jake. He's a buddy of mine and essentially he was saying that these people that were doing what they're claiming they're fighting fascists. He's like, you're being a fascist. Do you understand what a fascist means? Right. Using violence to enforce your ideology and you're tolerating no deviations from that ideology. That is being a fascist. Yeah. This pipe smoke, it blows, bro. It takes too much effort. You have to do it on your own. It takes too much effort. But we had him on the show and he was saying like, you know, I just, it's changed. We're the left. We need to call this out and we need to, we need to take ownership over this and we need to squash it because it's becoming a real problem. It's also a problem when you say the left,

24:03the left or the right because it's not necessarily just the left. It's these fucking idiots that go to these things and put masks on and want to beat people up and mace women. I saw that girl with a make Bitcoin great again hat. She had a joke hat and someone hit her over the head with a stick. Yeah. That was holding up a sign and then another guy maester in the face. I mean, and they think that they can do that kind of shit. Well, at inauguration you had people getting pulled out of cars, getting punched, you know, Occupy Wall Street. You had people putting bloody rags on tents that they claimed had AIDS. I mean, anywhere, again, just go back through history in the last decade. It's very different and not saying all left, right? We're speaking, you have to speak in generalities to save time. But as a general rule, if you look at the right, if you look at, for example, the Tea Party, you look at the movement,

24:44people who were complaining about the stimulus package, you look at people with economic problems with Barack Obama. They didn't riot, they didn't beat people up in record numbers, there was not a single trash can lit on fire thrown through a window. That seems to be a common occurrence at these leftist protests. Well, it is now. It is now. It certainly is now because they're out of power. Well, it's also these people feel like what Donald Trump represents is the worst possible scenario for the right. They feel like he represents this like really arrogant businessman who promotes rape culture and grabbing pussies and, you know, that's how they're looking at it. So they're like, it's time to act. Like there was some woman who was on Fox News the other day. Who's the one, that dude, Tucker Carlson? Yeah. Is he a Fox News guy? Yeah, he is. He used to be CNN on Crossfire. Right. And he had some woman on and she was talking about-

25:32A little Asian? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's a fucking school teacher and she's talking about beating people up. And I was like, this is crazy. Like she's talking about, she called Milo Yiannopoulos, who's a gay Jew, by the way, she called him homophobic. Right. And prefers black men. Yeah, I mean, but how do you call a gay guy homophobic? Just- Well, everyone's a Nazi now. I mean, I was not for Trump in the primaries, so I get called a cuck, right? And I was like, well, listen, he's the most liberal Republican ever. People don't want to talk about- He's the only president- He was a Democrat most of his life. He's the only president to ever take office being pro-gay marriage when he was sworn in. Barack Obama can't even claim that. That's true. Donald Trump is the first person. That's something that people need to recognize about Hillary Clinton. She was anti-gay marriage as recently as 2013. She was speaking in 2013 and she said,

26:15I believe that marriage is a bond between a man and a woman. In 2013. And she was making arguments, too. It wasn't like she was put on the spot and, well, I think she was out there arguing against same-sex marriage. So, you know, my point here is they're out of power and so they declare everyone a Nazi. You know, they declare me a Nazi. They'll declare Milo a Nazi. And so if you say, hey, it's okay to punch Nazis in the face. If Hitler walked in here, you'd probably have a tussle with Adolf Hitler. But it's acceptable if you make me or even you or Milo equivalent to Hitler. And that's what they're doing now. And that's the point that I'm making is I think because they behaved so poorly, more Americans would vote, screw you with the lever and vote for Donald Trump now than they did on November 8th. I believe that. That's highly speculative. It is highly speculative. Mr. Crowder. Hence the pipe. We can speculate and ponder.

27:04Highly speculative. Not sure if I buy it. Might. Maybe. Well, let me present. But I think people are also freaking out. They're freaking out about his appointment of a Golden Saks executive. They're freaking out over what's happening with that Flynn fellow who was forced to resign because he was coordinating with Russia and, you know, talking about removing sanctions before they got into office and all that stuff. Well, that was a screw-up. But, you know, and I'm not here to defend Donald Trump. You call it a screw-up, we call it treason in my country. They give him a pipe, he's a whole new man. It is delicious, though, isn't it? It's good. It really is good. I'm high as fuck right now. Oh, really? Yeah, what happens if he hits some marijuana after this, probably, like, takes it to the next level. But yeah, the nicotine gets you high as fuck, man. That's pretty low in nicotine, though, in aromatic like that. Yeah, but I'm a rookie.

27:52I don't smoke any cigars. I occasionally smoke a cigar. Yeah. But it's pretty occasional, like maybe once a month I'll puff a cigar. Yeah. Well, yeah, there you go. You can keep that one. Thank you. That one's already broken in. I can keep this pipe? Yeah, because there's a real break-in process with a pipe. It's actually, you know, you have to smoke it really slow when you first get it because the briar expands. So, I know. Pure faggotry. You said it in a different voice. Pure faggotry and trannidom. I don't know if that's a word, trannidom. Trannidom. It's okay if you say it in a different voice. Let me present this, okay? You take someone like a burning sanders. You son of a bitch. I just want you to relax. Can I get you a drink? Do you drink? I get a drink. You drink? Give this man some whiskey. Let's get some whiskey up in here. I'll take a beer if you have cold beer. This podcast is very, we need drink, drink, real booze.

28:38What do you want to talk about? I just want to relax a little. Okay. I want you to be a human. I don't want all these talking points. These aren't talking points. You're fired up to fucking defend the right and promote your agenda. Well, just because I know you said people like they think you're an asshole because you're right wing. I don't care what they think. People think I'm a fucking meathead. Well, I'm right. They are. I am. In a way. Very meathead-like. You're strong? No. Well, I'm fucking, I eat meat. I'm a cage fighting commentator. I look like a meathead. There's a lot of meathead qualities that I possess, although I'm a kind person. You are. I'm very open-minded and more, probably more left than I am right if you looked at a giant spectrum. I don't think so. No? No. Not anymore. I just think it's such a narrow path on the left. They're so unaccepting of people. That's why you've seen all this backlash.

29:22Well, I'm very accepting in that way. I mean, I'm very accepting even of ridiculous ideas. I want you to talk about them. I just think one of the real problems that I have right now with all these protesters and all these people that are going crazy and calling everybody Nazis is you're stifling communication. Yeah. And you're stifling the marketplace of free ideas. I want real booze, bro. Get out some whiskey. What's that? Good. Even better. Make it hurt. Bring out some whiskey. Bring out that Alex Jones whiskey. The stuff that makes you talk about interdimensional child molesters. Actually, you stopped talking about Pizzagate, remember? That was a big controversy. Oh, you didn't when I had them on here. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. I know Eddie was probably instigating. Oh, Eddie was out of his fucking mind drunk. He doesn't know what he did. I remember you asking me, like, what do you think about this Pizzagate thing?

30:07I'm like, ah, I don't think it's true. If I could go, it may not be true. But what do you think about what Breitbart was saying, like, way back in 2011 about Podesta, that Podesta, like, shields pedophiles. Come on, don't be a pussy. Look at this. I'm good with a beer. I'm good with a beer. I have to go to the airport. I don't have a whiskey. You gotta go to the airport. You can't be drunk at the airport. You fell victim to marketing. I didn't think he gave it to me for free. Fuck off. Gentlemen Jacks. Did that give it to you for free? Jack Daniels did. Yeah. I enjoy Jack Daniels. I've actually never had Gentlemen Jack. You have now. Well, because you asked me about it, and the first thing where my antenna went up with Pizzagate is they said James Aliphantus means I love kids in French. And I know where they're trying to get it from. It's J'aime les enfants. That's not James Aliphantus. Mm. So, right away,

31:03when it's the first premise that I read is a lie, I'm going, all right. Well, there was a bunch of weird ones, but there was some stuff that was, like, really odd. Like, the pizza place that had that symbol that is the international fucking symbol for pedophilia and child molesting. And Beyoncé's and the Illuminati. But no, that is a symbol that the FBI admits that they use in these secret organizations when they capture pedophiles, which they do all the time, they use that symbol. I mean, they agree upon that symbol. It could be. There's a lot of weirdness to it. And here's the thing. It could be. This is my take on it. And I don't have a side and I'm not claiming that I have any knowledge, but they absolutely are pedophile rings. They exist. They've caught them before. They've busted them before. Look, Jerry Sandusky's kid just got busted yesterday. I know. Yesterday, right? That was the beauty of Michael Jackson.

31:53The guy was so clever about it. Think about it. He screwed every kid in Hollywood except Macaulay Culkin. How do you know? He's that canary in the coal mine. Macaulay Culkin said, no, no, I go to Neverland Ranch. He never touched me. Yeah, that's what I would say, too. So all the other kids are coming back. They still swear up and down. That's what I would say. It's like if you went to a bachelor party and everybody got their dick sucked and your wife said, hey, what the fuck? Bobby says he got his dick sucked. Not me. I don't know. I mean, maybe she just didn't like me. Yeah, but Macaulay Culkin has no reason to say that now. Yes, he does. Really? Yeah. Nobody wants to know that you got molested by Michael Jackson. Then you'll never get a girlfriend again. Right, and we get one hell of a book deal. Come on. She'll be about to go down on you and she'll think, oh my God, Michael Jackson sucked his dick. Oof. Right? Don't you think?

32:33You'll get one hell of a book deal. Well, you know, Andrew Breitbart, actually. Not Breitbart the trademark. Andrew Breitbart, the name is... I mean, he was actually the guy who got my start and he wrote about that. You know, Neverland Ranch, his photographer was a pornographer who specialized in European actors who looked underage. And so once he talked about this, the guy was fired from Neverland Ranch. I think it was six months later he was back. So my point with the pizza game stuff is there are things that are provable like that, which people can go search Andrew Breitbart and find that story. And because people are cocked and loaded to hate someone from the right online... Cocked. Well, you really do go into a different voice with nasty words. That was my beavis and butthead voice. Because of that, I'd rather dwell on stories that we know we can prove or commentary because it's really easy to go, oh, Crowder was wrong

33:20with Pizzagate or whatever it is. So we just, there's so much there that's real. That's where I focus. That's my issue with Alex Jones. Yeah. Alex Jones goes super deep and I did not know before I had him that he was a Sandy Hook denier. And I saw that and it's pretty rough. It hurt my soul. It really did. Yeah, he's been very, his son is a fan. He's been really, really good to me and coming on the show, he's done the Young Turk sketches with us. I think he's doing less of the conspiracy stuff now it seems like. Less now. Get him drunk. Get him drunk. Get him drunk and watch it come out. Well, it doesn't surprise me. Alex has been my friend for a long time. He's 84% crazy. But he's like, it's one of those things where if you chase down, there's enough corruption and enough crazy shit in the world that if you chase it down, you're going to find it. Right. It's there. But you got to be careful what you call corruption

34:16and what you call conspiracies. Right. Because there are a fuck ton of them that he's missing the mark. Like the Sandy Hook thing. I mean, that, the Sandy Hook thing is so fucked. There was a great article that was written about a guy who was a conspiracy theorist until his kid was killed at Sandy Hook. Right. And then realized, like, holy shit, like, these people are telling me that my kid didn't die. And I realized how dangerous this whole thinking that the government's spraying shit in the sky for mind control and the CIA is a mind control organization. Right. I've been told that I'm in the fucking CIA. Oh, yeah. There are people who think I'm in the Illuminati. How do we get in? I think they meet on Tuesdays. Do you think you could get in? Are you young? Are you too old? Are you too young, rather? I have no idea. I think you just need to have the all-seeing eye in one of your music videos and you're in, like, Flint. That is it?

35:09You just gotta go like this, like Jay-Z? I think they're... Is Jay-Z doing diamonds? You say I like diamonds? Or is he, like, doing Illuminati? Well, I didn't realize diamond is also, like, a black term for ladies' nether regions. Really? I found that in Riskay's song, Smell Yo Dick. You ever hear that song on YouTube? Yeah. I wasn't even feeling a diamond like that. I was wild and I wasn't clown like that. He says diamond like that. And I was like, what is this? Feeling a diamond like that. I like that. I've heard of white people who are out of touch with black culture. That's me. But that was ridiculous. Welcome. Welcome to me. I didn't know. I have to tune to Jamie because Jamie's on black Twitter every day. Jamie keeps, uh, he's got a tweet deck. Oh, the clothes down a vine must have been rough for you. That's all right. Jamie's got tweet deck and he sets up one hashtag, black Twitter, and it's just all black Twitter.

35:55Switches butts. It's all just black Twitter references and he tells me that, like, people steal from black Twitter and they make jokes on late night TV because, you know. Yeah, it's a subculture. Yeah, black Twitter, they say funny shit and then people steal it. Is that true, Jamie? Is that what you said? That's what I heard. That's the rumor. That is what he heard. I've heard that too. Um, when did women, speaking of which, like, black is a subculture, right? We talk about minority groups. I think you need another drink. Women. Is there more whiskey out there? You didn't even finish that. No, I didn't finish it. Come on, pussy. By the way. Come on. And I'm not, that doesn't work on me. See, you weren't in the Illuminati. You're trying to feel a diamond like that? See? Diamond's a stripper. Oh! So I was wrong all this time. You fucked this whole thing up, dude. See, you're spreading disinformation. How am I supposed to know

36:36Diamond's a stripper? Smell my dick? Wait a minute. Hold up. See, that's not how a bitch get her eyes swole up. That's just lazy songwriting. That's how a bitch get her eyes swole up? Yeah. He's promoting violence against women because she wants to smell his dick. She beats the hell out of her. But that's lazy songwriter. How am I supposed to know? We can't know. That's not a racism thing. That's a bad songwriter. Okay, if he said I ain't even feeling Mercedes like that, would you assume? Okay, Mercedes is probably a stripper. Lexus to the main stage. Probably. But I didn't read the lyrics so I didn't see a capital on Diamond. I can't know this. I was trying to be understanding of another culture. And it backfired. I'll give you that. Yeah. Why doesn't he just wash his dick? Like when you go to the crab shack they have that automatic hand cleaner? Doesn't he have hand sanitizer he keeps in his fucking Benz? Just spray thieves essential oil

37:31like my wife does. Just wash your dick, bro, you dirty bitch. Coming home with a dirty dick. Jesus, that's like worse than adultery. Don't cheat on your wife as a start. That's not his wife for sure. First of all, that guy's definitely not married. This is not a marriage we're talking about. This is not something. Oh, look at this. More booze. Bring it out. Both. Bring them both out. This guy needs to get drunk. He talks too much shit. Tell me what you want to talk about. Everything. Okay. Life. Generalities. Okay, let's say this. Generalities. I've never been as mad as I was watching that Holly Holm fight. Why? Because of the... Here's what I think. I think if you hit someone after the bell and it's really clear it should be an immediate point deduction and they should be given time to recover more than a minute. That's just an opinion. I agree with you. When it's twice. I agree with you but here's why I disagree with you.

38:19I'm even more extreme. I think that hitting someone after the bell is grounds for disqualification. Yeah. Because you know. You know. You know. You know. Bam. You know. Hands go down. Your whole mindset changes. You're not expecting it. She definitely heard the bell. The guy was stepping in. She threw the shots. It's grounds for disqualification. You know. I fought. You know. It's been a long time but I did. And I heard bells and I didn't hit anybody afterwards. You know what the fuck it is. Yeah. You know what it is. Well if you do the point deduction Holly wins that fighter a draw for sure. Jermaine Durand to me is fucking awesome. She's an awesome fighter. I mean she's a 46 and 0 10 time world Muay Thai champion and for that to happen with her it upsets me in two ways. One it upsets me because Holly got fouled and two it upsets me because she's a great fighter. Right. For her to do something like that it's like

39:08why did you do that? Don't do that. Yeah. And she rocked Holly. The problem is when you rock someone who knows how much that affects them for the rest of the fight. Right. Holly is so badass. She not only came back from that she came back from that wound up head kicking Jermaine dropping her and then rocking her That short little hook that she threw that looked like an elbow at first. Was it a straight left? I thought it was like a hook coming in. When Holly rocked her it was a straight left. It was a straight left that she was coming in so it was just really short then. Perfect shot. Yeah. Holly's an incredible striker. She's so badass and that question mark kick that she hit her with over the top of the shoulder drops down and hits her in the head. Isn't it funny though that she doesn't fight like a boxer in the octagon at all. She fights much more like an American kickboxer. Well because she was also an American kickboxer

39:52and she's also trained by Mike Winklejohn who's like one of the best American kickboxers from his era. Yeah. He was world class in his time. He's really good. He fought Rick Rufus. Right. He fought some really good guys. He's a great striking coach man. Very similar to him you know when I'm in Dallas Guy Mesger. Very similar style to that kind of stand up. Yeah. Not as much head movement. Yeah. Guy Metzger's a good friend of mine. I love that guy. He's really just an awesome guy. I won't get into personal stories but he's been he's done some weird shit. Making out? No no no. He's done some really nice things for people. I mean he's a really he's the exact example of when people say fighters are meatheads he's just a really kind hearted guy. Well he's definitely not a meathead. I'm more of a meathead than him for sure. He's not just a kind hearted guy. He's very intelligent. Yeah. Soft spoken. You never hear Guy Metzger

40:38yelling at people and he's also you know he's worked really hard to mitigate some of his brain trauma and been really open about it which I think is very very very important because it's like this silent thing that guys don't want to talk about the issues that they're dealing with from fighting. Yeah. Well he also did you ever hear the story about when he got into the fight in a parking lot? It was like a bunch of guys who jumped him. Did you hear about that? Yeah. Well how long this wasn't that long ago. No you're probably thinking the one where the guy had a knife and actually stabbed him in the hand because he got in between an altercation between a woman and you just don't do that when a woman and a guy are fighting. Stay home. No this was something maybe he may not want me to tell the story but it was in a parking lot something happened I don't know how it started but what happened was there were three or four guys

41:18and all he did was he grabbed one guy just got him to the ground somehow and put him in a choke hold and he told his friend he said if you come forward I'm going to choke your friend out and they just got back into their RAV4 closed the doors he let the guy go they were gone. That's a really nice person. Most people would have just choked that guy out. Well he also he's a striker he could have really hurt him that's kind of the beauty of grappling you can hurt them or not as much as you want to and Guy Metzger is a very high level striker I mean he's not known as a grappler so that's a thing Well he's a grappler too he choked out Tito Ortiz and he's one of his first UFCs He just won worlds at Brown in the senior division Did he really? Yeah In the gi That's amazing Yeah he's still competing and doing that stuff He's a pretty awesome guy That's a nice thing for people that don't want to strike anymore I know Babalu Sabral

42:03he's been doing a lot of grappling competitions and stuff you know guys that just have like taken a lot of head trauma a lot of crazy fights long careers Yeah They still like to compete they can do that and you know Babalu has I think it's Babalu's Iron Gym I think that is what he calls it and he's got a a really nice high level gym down in Orange County and you know That's an explanation every time parents taking their kids for lessons they walk in and see Babalu He's a great teacher He's a great guy but they have to do that that kind of alright let me let me see the tattoos up his neck Yeah Yeah parents are going to be a little apprehensive He's a great guy He's a great guy and he's a real pioneer Babalu was in the early early days of fighting Oh yeah There's a fight with him and Brad Kohler it's one of the fucking scariest knockouts ever because it was back when you could soccer kick on the ground and he dropped Brad Kohler

42:51because Babalu was one of the first Brazilian wrestlers which a lot of people don't know I mean he was a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and very good striker and all those things but he also was on the Brazilian national wrestling team back in the day Yeah and so Brad Kohler who's like this really beefed up fucking just jacked dude couldn't touch him on the feet and Babalu eventually got him tired out and when he dropped him got him down to the ground he fucking soccer kicked him into oblivion and it was just those days when you can when you could soccer kick someone who was already tired and down those are dark days but to put it into context the Brazilian national wrestling team they'd be like benchers to Oklahoma state wrestlers it's just not even the same level Maybe but a high level wrestler is a high level wrestler Oh yeah it is but it's like Sarah McMahon you know she was silver at the Olympics and I remember when people

43:36said she was going to beat Ronda with her wrestling I'm like well hold on a second the talent pool in women's wrestling is nowhere near where it is at judo at that point I mean you just have women in Japan in judo who are animals Kayla Harrison too if you've been following her she was actually one of the first guests on her show she's just a monster you know there's no one in female wrestling no one who would even come close to her level of experience and the same can be said about Brazilian Jiu Jitsu you know Brazilian Jiu Jitsu which isn't in the Olympics yet but really should be is there's some phenomenal like have you seen Mackenzie Dern have you seen her compete in MMA I haven't seen well yeah she has one of the most badass choke outs that I've ever seen in my life she started with an omoplata worked her way to this girl's back she's got this move that she does where she gets a girl on an omoplata and she rolls over onto her back

44:22and chokes this chick out apparently she hits this move all the time well they teach something similar to that at Marcelo Garcia School in New York where if ever someone's turtling you wedge your knee into their ribs and their hip crease and you kind of get around not quite an omoplata but you're bringing your other leg around their front and you're wrapping and you're blocking let's say you're coming in from your right side you block their left arm which is something we actually would learn in judo quite a bit a really basic back taking so you block it by taking an underhook and grabbing wrist control and you're grabbing wrist control around so you're not putting a hook in and when you control this the way they taught it to me like if you watch Marcelo Garcia they'll just go for the choke straight from there they don't even need to get their hooks in and then you have Clark Gracie who does the omoplata roll to the lapel choke

45:06I mean it really is omoplata I don't think there's been a submission from that in a long time but it's a great set up well there's only one ever in the UFC history it's Ben Saunders this is Mackenzie Dern watch how she does this oh okay from the bottom the thing is also is that she's hot as fuck and so she gets the she gets the omoplata the girl tries to roll now watch how she handles this when she gets her from this position oh no no you gotta go back you gotta go back see I shouldn't even have her hooks oh it's just a highlight video oh so she doesn't she doesn't need the hook what she does is she rolls and you don't see it from that position well that's a lot like a nogi version of Clark Gracie's omoplata lapel choke let me see if they show it here what she does is she gets up and when she gets up on her hip the girl rolls and then watch how she scrambles now she takes her right oh they don't show it she takes her right arm

45:54and she rolls underneath the girl yeah anyway you know her dad is Megaton Diaz who's world famous yeah you know very very respected Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt but um there's one of the coolest things about Jiu Jitsu is it's like almost like sentences and languages there's so many different ways you can go with things yeah there's so many different possibilities it's just it's almost never ending well there's a guy like my dad you know he's in his 50s and uh hasn't lost a point let alone a round competing up to purple belt and he competes against guys who are 40 in open weight because there's no one his age and uh you know he played hockey U of M high high level athlete and he's not super flexible he's not gonna do a guard game he got really good at takedowns really good at trips really good at guard passing and side control a few chokes you know paper cutter chokes things like that and he's he's diverse enough

46:40where he can protect himself in areas but that's one thing too you know when I was helping coach him for his first tournament I'm like listen in training you want to work these positions you know you want to work your guard you want to work your half guard but there's nothing that says in the competition you can't stuff the head get up and just come up on top and when he realized that when he competes it's just getting out getting on top and if he gets on top he's gonna pass you know at his level at a purple belt level yeah but the problem with that strategy is it only works for someone who's weaker than you like as soon as you find someone who's better at that game than you you have to have other options so if he's not good off of his back someone's eventually gonna put him on his back well he's pretty good on his back well that's good but in a tournament the point is there's no unwritten agreement where we're working passing

47:20you know what I mean so he can try his you know a scissor sweep which is a big thing for him as a strong guy and if it doesn't work he can do a technical standout and come up well Halston Gracie has the best description of jiu jitsu he said you do this then I do that then you do this then I do that forever I love that because it's like once if you try jiu jitsu you go yeah that is what it is until someone taps like you like Hicks and Gracie he's always been famous for saying about other athletes other competitors that if they can't keep the rhythm they will lose they will lose my rhythm meaning not like George St. Pierre but like meaning that he keeps keeps attacking and you keep defending and keep attacking eventually you're gonna slip up and he's gonna get a dominant position sure and then once from there I'm not saying he's world class I'm just saying he's able to learn a game I know you wanna brag about your dad it's okay

48:13have me the drink come on bro cheers thank you gentleman jack oh no that's normal jack this is a regular jack yeah what is this stuff called this is Sinatra shit that's how you sell it if they were an actual sponsor you'd be getting phone calls right before you said it was Sinatra shit and our PR representatives have a problem with that well then they wouldn't be a sponsor anymore nobody cares anymore man people have to realize this is the age of shit you can say it you know it's actually a great whiskey that has is wild turkey 101 that stuff's disgusting no no no no no no no no we have some you want some no I'm good pussy but wild turkey 101 is a fantastic drink it really is it's like Jim Beam advertises aged 4 years well wild turkey 101 is 8 years off the bat why is it better to be old why is it better for whiskey to be aged like oh we've been saving this it tastes like shit just be honest it all tastes like shit no well with the rye

49:12you want it younger with the bourbon you want that you want more of that char kind of flavor in there anyway bro it's a good it's a good whiskey the best whiskey can't fuck with kool-aid kool-aid tastes better than the best whiskey that's ever made just put vodka in kool-aid what are you doing with Sinatra shit I like the pain I like feeling I like the suffering I like the suffering that comes with Jack Daniels that's what I like I like when you shoot that shot down you go you know exactly what you just did you're not playing any stupid games you know it's poison like I'm here to enlighten myself I'm here to spread love and karma is that what people do with horchata what's that with horchata is a Mexican drink I'm thinking rumchata yeah rumchata horchata is some shit you get tacos in an authentic joint I was thinking rumchata I misspoke what's rumchata I don't even know what that is they sell it it's like horchata but alcoholic

49:58and they sell it on a white bottle and it's already pre-made and it's just got the spices and whatever the dairy filler is sounds like a good thing to make terrible decisions on well not gay Jared loves it so it fits in perfectly oh he loves rumchata your co-host not gay Jared people are like who the fuck is not gay Jared he's my producer on my show interesting so you were after this election where do you line up now where are you because beforehand you were kind of I mean you saw the Black Lives Matter thing and you talked about the issues with that I'm more libertarian than anything so did you but did you go Gary Johnson I did but only because he did my podcast oh really yeah I'm like you do my podcast I'll vote for you for president it's deal's a deal did you smoke pot doing your podcast he should have we should have got him high right no we talked I would imagine he would we talked pretty sensibly I like Gary as a human

50:46and I think he's a good guy and I think that the Aleppo thing sunk that fucking boat like a god damn torpedo when he didn't know what Aleppo is I'm like oh Gary here's the thing plays good pool most people don't know about Aleppo when that happened there was a spike in google searches for Aleppo and he doesn't know what Aleppo is I didn't know I didn't know about Aleppo I knew that Syria was in a terrible terrible situation and I knew the Syrian refugees that are fleeing this I knew the bombings I didn't know the name of the city the problem is he got caught not knowing the name of the city and he should have known the name of the city like if you ask me how do you think Matt Hume handles Mighty Mouse's career I'd be like who the fuck's Matt Hume if I said that I shouldn't be doing MMA commentator ever again but I'm a mixed martial arts commentator that is part of my job if you're running for president it's part of your job

51:38to know the name of the city that's true the worst part was when he tried to cover it up what is Aleppo oh Syria yes yes got it got it he said it twice buying some time so you just said you know what I don't really know but I'm a libertarian so he wouldn't even be in Aleppo so what does it matter yeah but see I don't buy that either man once you've entangled yourself in the world of politics foreign politics and international politics the idea that you're not going to be there anymore well we found out what happens with that in Iraq we found out what happens with that in Libya you create a vacuum and that vacuum is filled by terrible terrible people well particularly when you give them a timetable of when you're going to pull out like Barack Obama yeah you know and everyone on the right was saying well listen that's a mistake no no no this is going to work well trust me but in his defense what the fuck else do you do I mean do you stay there

52:27you stay there and if you keep putting that in there it's not going to light bitch I know how to do this I've been smoking a pipe for at least an hour well afterward I'll show you how to get it I'm really ripping around I'm already doing it like a man I started like a baby where are you going to suffocate the flame lighters bro yeah modern technology um well here is something that I do think we've seen afterward again I wasn't a big Trump supporter with that you want to go back to talk jujitsu we can I don't give a fuck let's talk jujitsu let's talk politics let's talk Jack Daniels with Bernie Sanders or whoever it is you can't line up with the Black Lives Matter all the time you can't line up with the pussy hat economics the women's march all the time you can't line up with the anti-free speech protesters on campus all the time you can't line up with the people online who want to ban voices of dissent all the time you can't line up

53:16with we want to tax the wealthy who can you line up with well the point is people like Bernie or Hillary when they do that until you realize hold on a second there's a line and I've lined up with everyone except for the rest of America and you see that in Los Angeles it's an insulated bubble people don't realize you know what there are a lot of people out there keep saying that about Los Angeles or New York whatever it is the coastal cities why don't you relax didn't you go to Colorado at one point because you hated it no I wanted to live I do not like the population I do love the mountains right bro I got a straight off the mountain t-shirt on hoytarchery.com yeah that could be in Washington no it's a fucking bow hunter on that thing I think that and you have chickens yes right yeah I don't live in Los Angeles right I live outside of Los Angeles yeah I have several locations in which I sleep I think I think that there's a real problem with

54:07high population areas and that problem is there's two things one there's a diffusion of responsibility there's too many people you just feel like you don't they don't value you don't value each other because there's too many there's everyone's there if you see an accident you don't pull over to try to help because there's a hundred thousand people on the highway you just keep going yeah if you saw that same accident on a single lane road in the country and you know some cops you might pull over and help you know you might ask if you needed help people like New Yorkers care about each other you walk past the hobo on the street in New York for a lot of people they just ignore it because they're so used to it they did after 9-11 they did after 9-11 you know I went to New York after 9-11 we filmed a fear factor there and I'll tell you man it was a beautiful thing because there was there was a real palpable like a tangible feeling of community

54:52there that doesn't exist there anymore no it's gone also the New York that existed in 2001 is not the New York that is here in 2016 no you know I've had some like Judah Freelander who's a friend of mine who's a stand-up comic he was here and he was telling me he's like dude it's all bankers now he's like there's no artists in New York anymore they can't afford it he's like if you you go to Brooklyn maybe well he's like but in New York City the rents are so fucking expensive and there's so much international money in New York he's like I can tell you that's flipped a little bit having when I lived there the lower east side New York City I lived there when I was with Fox for well I lived there two different stints one time sleeping on couches and one time this would have been 2011 maybe 2011 2012 and rent was cheaper in old money upper east side than in the east village or lower east side because that's where all the hipsters

55:41and the artists were so they all wanted to be there now and the upper east side was seen as not cool so I got a place that was so inexpensive compared to if I wanted to live down you know downtown so that's kind of switched but no one none of the artists want to live with all the wasps there's always a problem when too many people have too much money and they're all congregated in one area because then they're just annoying they're just annoying they're all trying to buy the same fucking cars and houses they talk like one of your voices well Bertrand Russell is very interesting we smoke pipes and stomp on the little man I um yeah I think you're right and I think uh I think it also I mean there's obviously this is where leftists tend to congregate leftist ideology in big cities right they want you on public transportation they want you to do they want you riding bikes bro no they want you well bikes public transport but

56:27certainly they want to limit what kind of cars you can drive how far you can drive them you look at any big city they definitely want to reduce independence and um there's a real out of you think that's what it really is no they want to reduce carbon emissions they don't want to reduce independence no I think I think it's both no I think it's both and this is less conspiratorial than pizza stop if to say that people want you on buses and dependent on government just like they want you on welfare they want you in public transit that people don't maybe some percentage of the people do but if Tesla came out with some car that you could drive across the country on one charge you think people would be suppressing that they would welcome it a zero emissions car that give you total freedom no one's going to try to suppress that yeah the issue is is I don't think so how and why well first thing they would do is remove all

57:10the government subsidies that make Tesla even remotely competitive who is they this they shit is driving me crazy I'm talking about the United States government and the subsidies that go into a Tesla right Prius could still be losing Toyota on everyone sold but you look at the government subsidies the government incentives people don't want to buy these cars oh that's not true Tesla yeah but not a Prius that's not true either I know a bunch of people who bought Priuses Greg Fitzsimmons has a Prius Brendan Schaub has a Prius my buddies have Prius's he's got a fucking Prius how does he even fit in a Prius and a Bentley well there you go there you go he barely he's a fucking big gorilla he barely fits in a Prius I would say those things handle like trash they're shit cars Bill Burr has a Prius how about that and a Jaguar exactly see that's exactly what it is it's the white guilt symbol in Los Angeles so you can say

57:56I got a Prius this is the car I really want you say that but it's people that don't want to spend a lot of money on gas they bought a lot of them bought them in 2012 if you don't want to spend a lot of money on gas you would do the cost savings estimation you would see buying a used car any used car especially a Ford Fiesta which would get more mileage than a Prius anyway it's a white guilt symbol um no it doesn't yeah it does Ford Fiesta gets more money there are American small cars that will get over 40 miles per gallon yeah but a Prius gets over 50 no pull it up Jamie this motherfucker let's ride him into the rocks let's say it's an eight mileage difference yeah but that's not what you want you don't want an old car that's going to break down you want a new car that's reliable that gets really good gas mileage and that's what a Prius is that's a fucking pussy no seriously you don't want that's going to be

58:37tar straight into your lungs if you inhale that I'm switching to weed you're driving me crazy um oh this is so much better well back to the well there you go all right so what's that a Prius is Ford Fiesta all right so 40 highway 29 city son 40 highway now pull up uh pull up a well a Prius is going to have way more in a city because of the way the battery works because it's better you son of a bitch did you drive a Prius your point sucks no no that wasn't the point though that was a that was a side uh no you were trying to say that if you really wanted to save money on gas you would get a fucking shitty old Ford Fiesta and that's nonsense absolutely absolutely 58 city yeah absolutely son are you looking at that it's more in the city Joe Joe you can yell about all you want but here's the truth you're wrong no no no many tens of miles per gallon you are incorrect if you look at the actual price of a Prius versus

59:33the best thing you can do for the environment is buy an old beater car buy an old Camaro that's horribly on gas who said that it's $24,000 it's cheap as fuck for a car no you'd be better off buying an old beater car recycle than buying a Prius listen it's not even close you dig your your heels in you don't see the other side you have a real issue buy a Prius you're like everybody else on the right two giant non recyclable batteries dig your heels in two giant non recyclable non recyclable for now but much like nuclear waste it's making a comeback you know that they can make diamonds batteries out of diamonds with nuclear waste now that last thousands of years yeah but why do we want diamonds oh they make batteries out of diamonds yeah the nuclear waste nuclear diamond waste batteries that last thousands of years nuclear energy that we could be using but we can't be using because people thought it was worse for the environment

60:21well it's we're using it whether people thought it was worse or not the real issue is like the old plants like Fukushima that they have huge difficulties with shutting down someone told me that Fukushima is not you know we're talking about the other day that someone had said that the radiation levels are growing they're saying it's not growing that the real issue is uh aerosol or something that emissions into the air that's the old global warming uh cfc's or whatever it was but not aerosols what was the airborne airborne uh radiation is an issue with Fukushima that they're monitoring it yeah it doesn't surprise me but you know my my point on that one is why why are leftists for example against the sharing economy why would bernie sanders and hillary clinton be against no no bernie sanders and hillary clinton their platform let's just abandon left versus right and just look at people what are the people who

61:11are the people that are having issues with this why is bernie socialist sanders against the sharing economy you call you give him a nickname yeah you son of a bitch he's a socialist he's a self about european socialist why would they be against the sharing economy a couple hundred thousand dollars a year let's let's let's stay on this one bouncing around what are you telling me yeah not to bounce i'm telling you're bouncing all over the way why don't you bring up your fucking dog again what about your dad who's a jiu-jitsu guy son of a bitch you said you wanted to not talk about politics so i talked about jiu-jitsu i didn't say i don't want to talk about politics this is the point the sharing economy uber and airbnb shouldn't everyone be on board with that why do you have people like bernie sanders or nancy pelosi banning them or or austin politicians and constituents banning them from their city if we're talking about sharing

61:54socialism yeah you can't do uber in austin bernie sanders doesn't want uber no why do you think they're doing that do you think they're doing that because they want um taxis to survive no i think they're doing it because just like people like to throw out this big conspiracy about big bankers and their own self-interest which is true i think that people don't want to acknowledge that the left is beholden to giant cabbie unions who are punching people in the face in new york because uber removes their surcharge and decides to ignore the trump travel ban i think they're against airbnb because they're beholden to for example the culinary union who might work certain hotels in the side about the trump travel ban we talking about no no that was what happened they banned people were protesting an uber in new york city right they went in and they were still going to the airport the cabbies unions in new york said we're not going

62:34to go and so people were punching uber drivers people getting furious about it saying you're scabs you're coming in uber actually removed their surcharge because remember all the airport protests right it was a quagmire no i don't i don't oh yeah during the airport remember the trump's travel ban there were protests at all these different airports right about that yeah well what does that have to do with uber the point is in new york right cabbies unions went on strike they said against the travel ban right oh i so uber's going in weren't clear and they're removing their surcharge well if we're talking about the sharing economy if we're talking about bringing in refugees and resettling them against people's will right because we want to be compassionate right well just take that and say okay instead of resettling refugees against somebody's will because you want to share what about somebody deciding to share

63:13their car at an agreed upon service or share their house and the the left the political left has fought against that vehemently it is so remarkably inconsistent how so they want uber banned who is this they okay so is this across the board or let's go with bernie sanders nancy pelosi elizabeth warren what they want to do is either get uber banned in cities as you see in cities like austin or in cities in europe or they want to make sure that unions uh that cabi unions either get first right or that uber hires these union workers okay well i have a hit i definitely have an issue with that yeah so let's pull up that pull up that story that bernie sanders is in favor of banning uber bernie sanders uber and let's let's break that down and unpack it because i think um when something comes along that's better and it fucks with a business that is worse right the better things should win because that's progress sure i think

64:05uber is progress i think lyft is progress i think what lyft is doing and what these these programs are doing where you have an application on your phone you can turn it on and off anytime you want you can work anytime you want as long as they certify and test you and run and make sure you're not a crazy person as long as they know where you are at every time they can actually monitor your location through gps which they can and everybody like saves money and the people who drive the car make money like you can make like 35 bucks an hour doing that well wouldn't you rather do that if you have a car like a prius that gets 50 fucking eight miles to the gallon wouldn't you rather do that so i'm in favor 100 percent in progress and i think that anybody that opposes that because somehow or another it's going to challenge other people's jobs right when it comes to something like uber versus cab in my opinion

64:53this is pretty black and white this is a new technology a disruptive technology that benefits a lot of individual users hence it's good well also benefits the middle class more than anybody and there's no union for uber drivers that's a big problem no lobbying and there's no money that goes to politicians well that's a big problem so i'm not aware of this you're more balls deep in politics than i am so let's jamie's gonna pull up a story and we're gonna figure out what the fuck is wrong with bernie sanders take on it from an individual point of view yeah or you can look up i mean you can look up european cities that have banned it or austin well it's i know it was a huge issue in london i remember watching those cab drivers that had decided to block streets they decided to shut their cars off in the middle of the street and literally stop cars from passing people had to go way around them and it was a huge

65:37issue the reason the term political left and right matters right now uh to me anyway may not matter to some people but the reason it matters to me is because you do look at one side of the political spectrum right now and i think the line's been pretty clear in this last election where there's an ideological divide and where one is deliberately looking at marginalizing and targeting and dividing victimized groups and they do so and ignore other groups of people who are victimized as a result of them complaining about victimization okay like what this is that's very vague so okay so let me give you you want a concrete example let's find this with bernie sanders let me go into it right now i want you to hold this thought james got something what he i was trying to find a quote about what he had so here's about what i guess he has problems serious problems with it serious problems with popular mobile

66:20ride hailing service uber speaking with boomberg the democratic presidential candidate contender rather called the service unregulated wading into one of the most closely watched economic debates of the 2016 race workers on demand at on-demand economy companies like uber airbnb or lyft are considered independent contractors and therefore do not receive the benefits and protections afforded to full-time employees okay so i could see that but they do make more money right isn't that correct yeah well they don't they don't have to pay a huge commission to the cabbies union and they're totally independent and they have their own car and they make more money i mean is that true maybe let's make sure that that is true it doesn't matter what's true but but let's just have the choice to do let's just google uber drivers make more than car companies versus how much uber makes from their drivers because

67:09that's the real issue like sales uber is a company okay and they're pimping out all these drivers and they're making shit tons of money and then they're not giving the drivers enough then they're giving them certainly more i think they take a much smaller commission in it than the cab drivers i don't have a number in front of me reiterate i'm pro uber hundred percent yeah i have a friend of mine is actually a bigwig at uber i think it's great i think even if i wasn't what's the matter this how uber fails to prove its drivers make more than taxi drivers post hmm that's having in post those sons of bitches they feel the need to be in the defense oh that's the blame no no they feel the need to be defensive how they failed to prove let's how they failed to prove what does that mean i don't know that means a claim and a huffington post can't disprove it but they're saying uber's failed to prove it so this

67:52isn't gonna help crowd to read the fucking quotes before you get crazy in defense you're so right wing i am right wing my god time.com then instead hand me that beer son time.com oh uber reveals how much its drivers really earn sort of uber has long said that drivers get paid more than traditional cabbies but do they really driver surveys strikes and class action lawsuits suggest otherwise most recently buzzfeed is that okay is it okay if it's but is that too left wing you fuck yeah buzzfeed is fake news i'm here fake news estimate buzzfeed you fake estimate the terrible trump impression that drivers in denver detroit and houston make less than 13.25 cents an hour uh 13.25 an hour after expenses using calculations based on more than a million trips well that's not good this spring uber was hit with two class action lawsuits from drivers in florida and illinois who seek to recover unpaid overtime wages and other

68:53expenses this is after the company this is our um yeah god damn thing to our feed shitty no we have one shitty tv that can't handle an hdmi cable and it cuts out every minute and a half we have one of those uh when seek to recover unpaid overtime jesus christ unpaid overtime wages and other expenses this is after the company paid 100 million dollars to settle similar lawsuits in california and massachusetts okay yeah so for massachusetts big union but if they have lawsuits and if there is a lawsuit that does make sense enough where a judge decides that they they're going to rule against uber okay but this i mean i don't know the law do you do you know it depends on a right to work state but wouldn't you assume that the lawyers and the judges in massachusetts would make a strong enough case where they would show the legality of it to the point where it wouldn't lose a hundred dollar a

69:50hundred million dollar lawsuit uh no i wouldn't assume do you know anything about the lawsuit well i here's what i would know whether it's a right to work state or not and that would determine the lawsuit and that's why people like bernie sanders and that's why people oh geez what happened there you open that too fast oh bro just go do it like you did the pipe i'm not scared that's good enough bro um so it depends if it's a right to work state or not i don't care right okay if they make less than cab drivers i don't care well let's illuminate people what is the difference you know right to work state effectively means you don't have to join a union means you can work without being a part of the labor union and so that would determine the case just for example that's what we do hidden camera videos we have to make sure that it's a two about one party consent state as opposed to a two

70:30party consent state right like nevada when they used to do those prank call shows they would do like uh you remember cranky anchors yeah yeah they would do it in nevada right because california is a one party consent state no it's two well nevada no no but california is one what do you mean california well again isn't the definition wrong and i'm thinking is we both have to agree is that true yeah they would do it in nevada instead of california right that's what i'm saying yeah right in nevada only like you can call me up and prank me and i wouldn't have to agree right that might have changed it might change for example in michigan it was really controversial it was a one party consent state that depending on the judge read as a two-party consent state so that's really scary because you can be in the clear right we recorded a prank call or we found some kind of corruption and it should be legal but

71:13there's a little wiggle room where they can say actually this isn't legal and you committed a felony oh so that's a problem with that okay um so in these right-to-work states yeah um when you have this uber situation is the issue that it's taking cabs out of business or is the issue that they are not paying people enough and they're taking cabs out of business so people like the cab drivers if they switched over to becoming uber drivers they would actually lose money because these companies aren't regulated so they don't have to pay insurance health insurance i mean that seems like what the issue is right that's what they would say the issues are so not true well no it's not necessarily true and again that depends on the state so first off i would want to clarify just for people listening it would not be the right-to-work states the right-to-work states would be fine right um the right

71:59to work state means i have the right to say hey do you want to work for this amount and you have the right to say yes right non-right-to-work as long as it's above minimum wage everybody's cool yeah as long as i mean as cool as you can be right you have to report it and what is a non-right-to-work state just when depending on the profession if there is an established union in that profession you can't work outside of that union right how many that's is that the case with uh trades like like plumbing being a carpenter generally repair yeah generally speaking is auto repair do they have a union uh depends on the state depends on the state but shale sonnen actually would have some stories about his dad being in the uh the plumbers union he has some stories about that vince vaughn has some funny stories about that he's told actually when he worked at his dad's like paper mill um but but to go back

72:40to it again i first off i i don't care if someone agrees to this price in this service i believe that's a marketplace of ideas and services and you have the right to do it and i have the right to uh provide those services now if uber is doing a poor job thank god there's lift right because there's some competition there but if the government steps in and says no you have to use the cabbies unions well even then you can artificially increase wages at the expense of the taxpayer who now has to pay more for a taxi ride so i don't care i think that people should be able to make their own decisions if they want to do uber if they want to rent out their house and airbnb and i don't think that nancy pelosi in the bay area representing her district should have any say in whether i can rent well i agree with you 100 on that and i think there's also a real problem with people resisting change because

73:22technologically influence change is coming at such a high rate there's no way you can put a finger in all the holes in the dam it's just you can't do it yeah there's too many things that are happening they're going to change the way we communicate change the way we do business change everything from top to bottom you're not going to be able to stop it so any anytime you're trying to stop something like an uber the only thing that i think is that who you got to figure out where's the how's the money being distributed and is that fair and if it's not fair what's the what's the solution because is the solution alert people to what the actual numbers are and let it all sort itself out right or is it passing regulation i'm a firm believer that the less regulation you have the better right and that's what as long as it's not like environmental pollution type shit well that's what adam smith

74:11talked about the invisible hand right the mark that moves the market i certainly believe that the market is more efficient at regulating itself than the government creating a monopoly well also because unions can be influenced and when you get large groups of people together i think it's good because like what what a union can do is they can say you know hey we're going to stand strong we're not going to let these people take advantage of us like some sort of slave labor factory in the middle east or wherever the fuck it is we're going to figure out a way to you can if you work here you're going to get an honest wage and i'm a hundred percent with that the problem is that you get giant groups of people that you can't go against someone's going to be in control of those giant that's i'm glad that you're touching that that's no different than being the mayor of a city or the leader

74:57of a country no different than being beholden to uh goldman sachs or jp morgan right and if you look at the top political donors you can bring it up on from open secrets if you look at the top 20 it's like 16 out of the top 20 are big unions so it's that this idea that it's big banks and the coke brothers and energy companies no one wields more influence in american politics today than big unions particularly because it's party because it's power and because they can influence the people that are they can also take dues from you give a hundred percent to democrats and you have no say well it's one of the big contributors to the war against drugs one of the big things that's happening in this country is the prison guard unions have spent money to ensure that innocuous things like marijuana or they stay illegal because if they stay illegal then they keep their jobs like they've literally

75:41fought for that like fought to keep more people in cages because that would earn them more money i mean that's really what it is we break it down to black and white and it's did you just make a joke about the discriminatory prison system in the united states that was cold i didn't say black and white because i meant black and white people i meant black and white in terms of the reality of the situation is that prison guard unions are spending money and using their influence to ensure it didn't work in the united influence influence sound like from south to ensure that marijuana stays illegal and the reason why they're doing that is because they profit off of it so that's not an altruistic ideal that's not someone who cares about the people that they represent that's not someone who cares about their community as a whole that's someone who's looking out for their best interest in a way that is

76:28negative right towards the general population i agree with you and i think that's where the wool was pulled over people's eyes with people like bernie well he's from the people he's never gotten big donors that's actually not true if you look at the collective donations from union members and from union organizations right and when you look at that and what bothers me is when people follow the money trail on only one side and act as though the political left is unbeholden to people that's the big point what you just said on one side because i think you can see the benefits in unions as well you can see the benefits in protecting wages and making sure that people get insurance and making sure that people live a good life that like if you're going to work for this company you're going to be well compensated and you're going to there's going to be an agreement between the workers and the people that run the

77:09company well there's a problem with that and the problem with that is but there's not always a problem with that there is occasionally sometimes no there's that's the rule rather than the exception and i talked about this when we talked about the walmart ceo for example makes 19 million right people are furious about that walmart employs 2.5 million people 1.5 million people a full-time so you add that he's getting less than then uh well if you add up all all the workers not the full-time workers would be less than ten dollars per person he's employing and providing an active living so when you have workers who say well he he has 19 million that's more than i have i have no million 19 is 19 more millions these people they pick an arbitrary number that's what bernie sanders were doing the debate with ted cruz whether you like him or not it was such a floor mopping because bernie sanders dealt

77:53with these phantom fears and again tried to victimize groups and marginalized groups and my point that i was talking about there is for example we talked about the victimized groups the marginalized groups who don't have insurance in the country right it was 40 something thousand most of them were young people who chose not to buy insurance so now you can stand your parents insurance till 26 there you go we bought some votes so you talk about them and they're getting more affordable insurance now and now the play is we're going to take all these people off of insurance okay so we're talking about that victimized group people who didn't buy insurance but what about the people who've seen their premiums go up hard-working americans 40 something percent 24 percent on average in certain states 46 percent sometimes 60 something percent their premiums have gone up why don't we talk about the

78:32ramifications of the everyday americans who now can no longer afford health care insurance and don't qualify for a government subsidy and if you look at the trend i will argue this and i'll dig my heels and if i feel i have to the political left seeks to divide and conquer and find for sure the most victimized group of that day how so like what do you mean the most most victimized group of that day to do what well i think well like right now for example i'm just using that as an example because you said a concrete example with obamacare so right now these people aren't going to be able to afford insurance well there are a lot of people let's not go too far away from unions because you we're we're way out into the obamacare pool well no because we're talking about that deep and long no no it's not it's really not obamacare is you subsidize technically health care subsidy cost of other

79:18taxpayers right who couldn't afford it and now they can't afford let's let's start from the beginning because you went way out there and you started out with the ceo i went out there you have alex jones and i went out there you went out there in terms of you covered so many different things before anybody could address either one of them you have to like slow down and like take it point by point you want to you said that this guy makes so much money that if everybody gave him 10 bucks like why should they give him 10 bucks here's the thing like what is this guy doing single biggest employer of people in the united what he's just a guy who works for them he doesn't even own it why is this guy make so much money i'm not saying he should i'm not saying he shouldn't right maybe he should make that much money right but why defend that why defend that why not why not have see that's like that's like you

80:02say can i get a raise and they say no and you go away that guy makes 15 fucking million dollars a year and he doesn't even work what does he do he sits behind there a lot of it let me unpack what you just said there are a lot of assumptions he doesn't work why does that guy make that much money how much obviously sometimes this is the guy who's in this the factory this guy doesn't even have a real job that's driving around a fucking limousine he gets 15 million we can't get a raise that's my point well you can just tell them this is too much but don't you think and this is what i think if that guy really does make that amount of money he's probably like how the fuck am i pulling this off always doing extracting numbers from some system by his choice i don't think so at all ones and zeros and moving things around and making sure the profit margin trees and he gets a piece of that and he's just living like a

80:47fucking baller on a yacht a golden bikini with a bottle fucking don paragonality why is he a cross dresser now he's having fun he's having fun he's fucking balling he made 15 million dollars this year he can do whatever the fuck he wants but there's there's room for debate as to what a job is worth and i think that we do a good job on my show of having people on who disagree and engaging in those debates we don't just say you're an idiot you're racist just about this subject right here i think you made a lot of assumptions there's room how do i make an assumption there's room to debate how much a job is worth yes there is room to debate so but it can be determined by the value of a company and the services rendered not some arbitrary number because bernie sanders throws at a percentage point i'm not saying that he's right i'm just saying well i think it's totally within the interest of the all the

81:32people that work for a company that are critical to this company actually working to figure out like hey how much should we get for this how much do they get and when one guy's getting 15 million bucks and the other guy's getting 15 dollars an hour and you get out like this guy if this guy doesn't work this guy doesn't get any money like these people have to work if they didn't work the ceo would make zero dollars right because there would be no profit so someone has to work so i don't think it's outside the realm of rational discourse to discuss how much a person should make to be a ceo no i don't think it's outside the realm of rational discourse um i do think people are wrong when they say for example to take your argument how much a ceo should make i think that's silly you shouldn't be able to determine that just i don't think you should either just like i don't think you should be able to say 15 dollars an

82:15hour look i think if some fucking super if some super baller you know fucking steve jobs type character comes in and starts running a company and all of a sudden it goes blockbuster through the roof and becomes apple i don't think you should be able to say that guy doesn't deserve way more money than the average person because fucking of course he does yeah that guy's an obsessed genius who's making this company who determines what's okay exactly who does determine i think the market does but isn't it a relationship between the people who are this is bernie sanders point of view i would imagine right the people that don't have a say the people that are they're making the least amount of money they're the easiest to replace and they're the ones that are worried about being treated fairly well first off i would say have you no hearts exactly that's that's what leftists do and that's

83:02where they get mad they say you're conservative therefore you don't care about poor people do you care about poor people well i was sleeping out of an 82 dotson when i first lived in los angeles so um i cared about myself let's put it that way i used to be in high school but i want to talk to those fucks uh yeah back again but that's that's the thing that they'll say is write a tribute motive and i think and i think we both know i think you don't do it i don't do it um i don't attribute motive i don't say well you you do this because you hate poor people or you do this because but you do have to look at the numbers and you do look at a certain point when people say they're underrepresented they have no voice well that's not true with union workers they have a huge voice they have huge political influence these people don't not have a voice they have a voice they have the media the entertainment

83:41industry they have uh you know the entire music industry has been so far left for so long pushing for these same ideas not country a lot of those people are actually pretty far kid rock which is talking about how most of them are pretty far left country music is not far left so you're taking an extreme okay let's remove country get the fuck out of dog well stop you remove country it's one of the biggest genres of music in this country not only that i bet they sell more fucking albums than anybody is country going out there and making redacted and lions for lambs and rendition and avatar and all these these what is that anti-corporate screeds the point is i don't know what you're talking about what are you saying this country is not going to the movie is that what you're saying yeah it's a fucking movie about aliens bro avatar the movie is possibly the biggest piece of neo-environmentalist propaganda we're

84:24going to talk about pizza game you son of a bitch did you see james cameron is a fucking amazing movie about blue aliens and love just out of boredom that guy fell in love with that blue alien he became one of them bro he was paralyzed they put him inside the blue alien mind james cameron could buy an island and paint people blue and have them run around for the rest of his life if he wanted instead he decides to print them out on blu-rays using petroleum bro it was a dope movie and you're a fucking communist communist it's a fucking great movie you didn't enjoy it no i hated it i thought it was a terrible christ dude it's great really fucking flying dragons badass marines what else do you want what kind of a pussy am i talking to what happened to you you've been up in michigan too long it's too cold in the winter it's too cold in the winter therefore i need to like avatar bad for your brain you don't think

85:12straight you just want to stay home you like it do you actually like avatar is a satire great can't wait for avatar 2 really heard it's underwater even better they just stole that idea from mario level two let's make it on camera is a bad motherfucker he's one of the best directors of all times sure he's a classic he's a great director he's a political moron i don't care about his politics he makes great movies no but that's not the point i was making the point i was making was you took an example see i was talking about the media the entertainment industry the backlash for someone who i'm not even a huge supporter of donald trump neither one of us are so i think we can be relatively objective so let's remove country but if you look at the internet have you turned on cnn recently drink slow down have you turned on cnn recently cheers cheers cheers wow oh my god drink it gotta go to the

85:57airport this is this is literally like this is like the guy in high school relax if you love me you'll drink it that was a dope movie it was horrible the guy in high school if you love me you'll drink it who the fuck were you partying with guys like you apparently um kid rock being considered as potential senate i know did you see that today hold the fuck on is that true he's a bow hunter i'm with him i'm voting for him i actually just saw his interview with dan rather last night was pretty interesting yeah he's a lot smarter than i think you'd i'd give him credit for he's not a dumb guy he's not a dumb guy and have you ever seen him live no i have not but i like what he does you know what he does he puts a lot of effort extremely low ticket prices like 20 bucks for a guy like him that's huge sells out these places and he gets a piece of the booze he's smart he's a smart guy he's given he's

86:42given his his audience like a good deal yeah he makes a good deal with the venues like look if kid rock showing up this fucking place is selling out yeah so let's just make a deal let's make a deal and his deal is is really smart i like what he's doing well that's a good example of a guy not being forced to do it yeah right he's just doing it because he wants to do something that helps people plus he's got a dope cadillac you ever seen his cadillac i haven't he had one of them west coast customs custom-made cadillac that's the shit man pretty goddamn impressive that might make sense he started a beer company remember that so i think if you got a person he started a beer company it was called like badass american badass or something beer i like kid rock there i said it do you like his music yeah dude no i like him some of his music is not bad i agree with you some of his music is really not bad it's

87:25become popular to crap on him i like him for that cadillac he's unabashedly friends with ted nugget now you still really into cars i love cars because i remember i was listening to your podcast once and you said uh it's only to the point when you make so much money that you no longer care about money and you use your car as an example you said you know for example like i got a dent or something in my car at one point would have lost my mind uh because that car meant so much and now it's like okay it's only a car so that was a good point though that you made that when you have enough money it's kind of like it's what i call guerrilla buddhism okay like the idea of this there's part of buddhism that you should not be attached to items you should not be attached to objects and you you know i have a friend of mine who became a buddhist monk and he wouldn't even have sex anymore he gave up on sex

88:09all carnal pleasure all pleasure all attachment to women attachment to relationships and the idea is that you don't want to be connected to that because what you are connected to owns you and my take on that was okay but how does it have to own you right like can't you just enjoy automobiles can't you enjoy engineering you say that you can't have a you know you can't own a thing can't possess a thing i feel like that is so ignorant of the world that we live in it's so ridiculous you pretend you're choosing to act in a way that you're ignoring this amazing technological revolution that is going on right before your eyes right and it is going to fucking happen with you ride a bike to work or not it's gonna happen that's what people do we are a part of this cascade of electronic progress of electronic innovation and is never going to stop and that's and that's until we kill ourselves i want to

89:05go back to that point the car but you know that would be a good analogy but this is my thing about your business business because of iphones or we put you know radio i want to talk cars no no but there's nothing wrong with appreciating things that people make whether it's an automobile whether it's a painting a sculpture i feel like cars are like people look at them as just transportation and i totally appreciate that because they are works of art if you get a prius it's just transportation that's at the works of arts if you get a 1969 mustang that is a goddamn marvel of time yeah it is a moment where people decided to just create something that just looks inherently like like collectively badass there's no no one looks at a 69 mach 1 and goes that's fucking gross if you do fuck you know what that is if you do fuck you right if you look at a 69 mustang you don't you don't say wow that's crazy looking that's

90:01amazing but isn't that a big irony that you're able to appreciate it and not be attached to it because you've been more financially successful well that's what i say i mean this is this is the whole point of this whole thing it's it's not a rational normal position to take because most people are behind the eight ball all the time and always need to pay their bills look at that car look behind you sir look at that guy yeah the well cuts it in and out we talked about that earlier before you were drunk it looks nice that's a fucking amazing car man that 1969 mustang is a marvel it all came together it's just they figured it out they just figured out some way to make something that just is incredibly pleasing to your eyes and doubles as transportation no i should get one right all i talk about you can there's a company that takes them and this is what i like they take the the inside of it and the engine all that

90:53stuff out and they put a 2012 shelby gt500 inside of it so you get like anti-lock brakes you get airbags you get everything yeah and then they you know they put it together and sell that's the way to go it's it's this was actually my experience with very nice cars i went to buy a car and i had very little money so i went and i looked there was a 2003 ford torus with like 60,000 miles on it an old guy had cataracts so they took away his license you know i can drive and like no they took away his license so i went in to buy this torus the guy took like four grand for it not a great car it's getting you from point a to point b but i had to walk through cars one from george w bush uh one i can't remember the singer and there was one that was the exact same model of car that james d died in apparently they're only like 13 or 16 spider you had a poor spider no no i didn't have it i walked through

91:41it here's the crazy thing this guy well let me let me finish this guy who was selling this old 2003 torus what are you a ghost this is what he drove right but you know what his business was his business was customizing cars like that poor spider and doing high-end cars people like george w bush the nicest cars in the country and he drove a 2003 ford torus that i bought from him it was the most it was just the surreal experience walking through these cars that i mean you don't even want to touch right you want to put a fingerprint on it and this guy i found out later was a multi-millionaire could afford any car that he wanted he'd had 2003 torus well some people do that because they want to stay low-key and they just want to just kind of chill yeah you know there's there's that there's definitely that like henry rollins drives a mazda six he drives like a regular car and the reason why

92:27he does it is because he's just like he's not he doesn't give a fuck henry wants to like sit in front of his gigantic two hundred thousand dollar speakers and listen to records yeah like he doesn't care about his car so like for him it's like he doesn't want to ball he doesn't want to floss he wears the same t-shirt he has like a hundred gray t-shirts he wears the same thing every day he said well he's a fascinating character in that regard because he's a guy who has financial means like he has a very wealthy guy right but he chooses not spending on things like that yeah well it's like my dad gave me this analogy one time we're talking about cars the ability to appreciate it but you don't need it it's like air right if you all of a sudden you stopped breathing you don't have air all you can think about is breathing right that's the first thing well just like in jiu-jitsu for being

93:06suffocated by a 300 pound guy in side control well it's the same thing with money if you take away the money all you can think about is money because you need money and my point was like we were talking about earlier is we don't want people in those positions determining exactly what I have to do with my money well conversely personally as soon as you get money you get this stress alleviation sure that's palpable I mean I'm sure it's happened to you because you've been really successful over the last few years when you all of a sudden don't worry about whether or not you could pay your gas bill this month right it's a different feeling until I was 25 years old every day of my life was check to check every day I was barely mean fucking barely you know lying to the landlord I sent it what happened you know I mean everybody's everybody's who's been in that situation where you're like literally wondering how

93:56much can I spend today to eat you know and I've been I've been there and we all been there the moment I got a development deal way back in the day with Disney of all people yeah of all people I was on the Disney show you're just they're like he's a young good looking guy let's put him in Disney I was a little stud muffin when I was young they saw your set like oh no I was boy pretty where you want to be on TV well it was you know 1993 or something like that so I got a development deal because I did an MTV half-hour comedy hour remember those shows I do I did one episode of the MTV half-hour comedy hour and I got a development deal from Disney because of it I got like this little thing and there's they sent me some money and as soon as they sent me some money it was like literally like someone just took a weight like lifted like I was carrying around a weighted backpack right my whole

94:43life and they took it off and it wasn't enough money where I was wealthy where I could say I don't have to work again but it was enough money where I didn't have to think about money for a year right and so all sudden I was like wow this is what it feels like to not worry about your bills like I've never felt this before and then I became obsessed with maintaining that position okay once you realize that I was like oh my god I'm a bulldog I'm gonna work constantly I'm gonna I'm gonna do stand-up I'm not quitting anything well can this one I why was that because I realized how important it is to not be dependent on anyone yeah to not to not change like here's the thing about look you're talking about Hollywood the way people behave in Hollywood it's in many ways it's a self-enforcing ideology yeah in that you knew know that someone like Meryl Streep who gets up in front of the

95:35Golden Globes or whatever the fuck it was and says crazy shit real arts but right but when she's saying that what she's doing is she's like it's a war cry for for the like-minded yeah you know there's no reason to say that and for any other reason she's she wants to rally the troops yeah she wants to enforce her ideas and she wants to make sure that everyone is on board and the reason she said something she's royalty is because Hollywood royalty because and because of that it she would say something that stupid that was received the way it was because she probably ran it by a bunch of people before and not a sound not the point is not a single person there they all roared and cheered of course a single person there goes what of course they're surrounded by people but but what I'm saying is yeah that those people that are reacting to that they may agree with it or they may feel like they have to

96:24agree with it yeah I don't ever want to be the guy who feels like he has to agree with something right I grew up in a weird way where like my parents got they broke up when I was really young and we moved around a lot and I didn't have roots like I didn't live in one place until Massachusetts when I was 13 right I lived there for a long time that was the first place I lived for a long time and I got a chance to see the way people cling to ideas versus actually believe things and I think it's very important to find out what you actually believe and it's almost impossible in Hollywood yeah because in Hollywood people have to audition for things right and I've been there man it's gross you go in this room and some person looks at you and they have a clipboard and they're judging you and they have power and the same way that unions can have power and unions can control groups of people the same thing can happen

97:18for really self-righteous ideologues who happen to be holding that clipboard well then there's also the throwing out the baby with the bathwater we're calling anybody who has a worldview in ideologue and I do think that you're susceptible if you don't have a framework from which you look through the world if you don't have a prism where you go okay hold on a second if you're a hardcore Democrat do or die without any exceptions whatsoever you're an ideologue if you start going us versus them I kind of had conversations with people in Hollywood where they've talked to me about the Democratic party they go we have to win the house right when the house then we get this like what is this we man yeah you make a fucking cartoon but then you have people who just go man it's left and right there it's all the same no it's not you do need to determine a prism through which you see the world for

97:58example there's a very clear decision you make do I believe in choice do I believe in freedom and personal liberty or do I believe in equal outcomes and that doesn't mean that you line up with either party the same on every single issue but it is a filter through which you will be able to see issues explain those options again well a good example right now for example you have to make a decision someone has to make a decision right now do I value three options you said no I put two options in one but do I value personal liberty personal liberty and choice right and choice freedom of choice or do I value the idea of equal outcomes oh well equal outcomes is ridiculous because I can't play basketball but you can't understand that unless you have some kind of it people don't like there's an ism there don't you think that a lot of people that's an ideology in things people need to play

98:43dodgeball they need to bring back dodgeball you don't realize stay away from that big fucker that guy throws that dodgeball it's gonna hurt when the little kid gets hit rush him that's real the Asian kid with the glasses that's reading him as soon as the whistle maybe that kid's a bad motherfucker maybe he's from Thailand maybe people didn't fuck with him since he was little pretty rare catch him outside I'll kick you in the dick how about that guy that's possible that's entirely possible but the point is there there is an ism and people don't need to shy away from saying you know what I do have a worldview there is an ism what do you mean by an ism there is an ism where people oh conservatism left ism right liberalism I don't think anybody's ever said there isn't a lot of people like to act as though well because liberalism do you think the first person say leftism I know I don't think so at all

99:28been alive for 49 years never heard a single motherfucker say left is well because today's left is not the same as classical liberals the word left ism you don't skirt the issue yeah that might be the first time anybody's ever said it I've never heard leftism did you google it fuck well I'm mad if I made it up I'll stick with it I don't care I don't think liberalism describes the current you know the current progressive movement but people a lot of people say well I'm not an ideologue well actually a lot of people they don't realize they are to some degree and you just have to determine to which degree that is and recognize that about yourself everyone has a leaning well it makes it easier no it makes it easier to get along if you subscribe to a predetermined I'm not talking about that there's no predetermined set of values or ideas if someone says okay I'm looking at the world to this lens do I look through

100:17it where we need to ensure fairness and equal outcomes or do I look through it in the idea that people should be free to make their own decisions that doesn't mean you're subscribing to the republican but you were talking about your first initial soon well I'm talking about we're talking about really recently but I agree with you yeah yeah I mean I think what we we should do see I think a big part of the problem with human beings today is that's that it's not a fair hand of cards that we're all dealt and some want to pretend that it is it's not mm-hmm it's just not and you know it and I know it and we say well you know what you got to do with the best with what you've got and I agree with that yeah the real problem with that is the people that got two fucking ones those people was it a problem well because for them the guy with four aces just got Donald Trump jr'd you know it's like you lucky

101:11motherfucker by the way Donald Trump jr is a very nice guy he's a sportsman and a hunter you have to do that now that he's in power I like him he's my friend I mean I'm a big hunting advocate yes I mean only text him but he's good buddies oh my gosh now you're gonna the forums are gonna go nuts Joe Rogan Illuminati Donald Trump jr before I've said it before he's a very friendly guy I've every single person that I know that has come in contact with Donald Trump jr said he's a lovely man nothing but good things about him let me that's a hundred percent you became more wealthy when you became more successful do you find yourself being more generous I've always been a generous person but whenever I could be yeah because I realized the importance of camaraderie I realized you because I didn't have a lot of friends because I was constantly moving around so when I had friends I valued them

101:55greatly they were they were not disposable like my friends to me like they are as important as my family a bunch of my friends have lived with me yeah you know like when they've been broke like when I was single especially like Tate lived with me Duncan lived with me they were like I got nowhere to go I'm like fuck you do come on man so money just amplified your character didn't change it well it it helped me help people right when I had the opportunity to do something look if you see someone and they're a good friend and you're you're you have a bounty of wealth like let's say a good friend is hungry you have all this food you would have to be some kind of piece of shit to say don't eat my food that I can never possibly all eat myself right you would want them to eat so you feel better but my point is that's who you are right and I will say Joe has been generous with what you've

102:44been generous with me in the sense of actually allowing me on the show I have very content whether people get mad about it or not and I appreciate that but the point is the money didn't change you would amplify it's like alcohol it amplifies your character you're not a racist and you well I'm not an alcoholic so it amplifies my character amplified your character right and so that's important people to know because you have if you if you take that and you believe that again as a worldview that money doesn't necessarily it can doesn't inherently change who you are you'll find that you'll see just as many greedy poor people as you will wealthy people and that's important because when we're deciding on some arbitrary number and we just toss it to democracy you can have just as many greedy portions of the masses as you would big bankers and they can just vote in their own self-interest

103:26and that's not right either what do you mean by an arbitrary number liquid well I'm saying what should a CEO make right what's the fair minimum wage and if you understand that there can be people making less than minimum wage who if they got the Joe Rogan they made their break you worked really hard but all of a sudden they have millions of dollars they're just as greedy as they are making thirteen dollars an hour again it's no you're on human condition unquestionably you're correct yeah that there are people that don't care about other people's feelings no matter what they make but I would say to you do you have kids not yet no I would say to you as a parent that a big part of that was how they were treated while they were developing sure and there's genetic variables there's people that have illnesses mental illnesses there's is there's all sorts of there's all sorts of variables

104:08when it comes to who is Steven Crowder at 29 years of age who are you how'd you get to this point or who am I at 49 years of age how did I get to this point 49 49 most your eyes look good as fuck right I was watching the day where you lifted a kettlebell I'm a strong motherfucker I probably didn't say that you did say that you said those exact words Brian Cowan oh yeah I'm strong oh that's right because he was talking to me about like I'm really talking about 450 pounds like deadlifts I'm like dude that's not that much yeah yeah yeah yeah I am I had knee surgery recently and so for me I know you went through the jiu-jitsu drawbacks and you got back in and blew your ACL out well actually I tore my LCL and the ACL was slightly torn but they were like that actually the guy who does the surgery on the Red Wings he came out he goes do you wrestle I said yeah he goes okay we rarely ever see an LCL that torn

105:02without a blown out ACL he's like did you do anything where your ankle was going towards your face guard pass yeah but the problem is they went in and they fix that but that wasn't the real real problem the real problem is my kneecap I guess whatever it is the tissue that holds that in place is gone and they said it would be easier if you had a torn ACL to fix because we know what it is like with a kneecap take it out do a replacement there's really a 50-50 show I mean they said he basically said there's no reason to do anything with a kneecap because we don't know what works say if they replace it replace it with an iron one with an iron yeah and just start fucking people up Silva throwing knees rich franklin versus Anderson Silva and Anderson just rearranged his face that was so heartbreaking to watch you know a lot of dudes wear steel cups the tie cups I don't necessarily think there's a law

105:48against it in the UFC they started making laws against it in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Jiu Jitsu because you talk into the spine I can't talk no no here's the deal I had a buddy of mine did it to me once my friend Amir Renovati he got on top no he got on top of me mounted me and he had a steel cup on and he was essentially fucking my solar plexus it was totally uncomfortable because I can imagine imagine well it's it's metal I mean you have a metal piece and it really affects arm bars in particular because it creates an unnatural fulcrum well a back take too is really uncomfortable exactly it's going into your lower regular cup like I use a diamond MMA cup you know what those are those are compression shorts yeah they're in compression shorts and the outside of them is like this rubberized thing and the outside in the front is all like a really hard plastic like there's videos

106:42of them showing people taking like full groin shots on purpose that was their advertisements like getting kicked in the balls it really does protect you in an amazing way but it doesn't hurt like a like one of those steel tie cups so these dudes who are fucking real sadists they get these steel tie cups it's definitely an advantage and that's not why they use it oh yeah well I think Kenny Florian fought yeah I was just gonna say Kenny Florian fought with it I'm pretty sure he fought with it pretty closely like if you fucking mess up and you kicked Kenny Florian in the dick you break your foot kid imagine that though that bar fight hey why are you walking with a limp I kick Kenny Florian in the dick well I'm sure he doesn't wear it to the bar I'm talking about in a cage you don't know that's a judgment I would judge Kenny yeah but he wears tight pants there's no way there's no way he's

107:26got a fucking you don't you don't know who he has to impress at the local dive there's no one that he's looking to impress married man you son of a bitch I thought you were conservative Kenny Florian how dare you go there I'm gonna take more tobacco pack it in I don't ask that tip to to kiss ass they look Joe Rogan so generous but I do believe again and go with the idea of isms generally this is a message to people that like wonder whether they should be generous or not generosity makes you feel better it does just does like it's not a selfish thing to like the

107:59this idea that or not not necessarily not a selfish thing this idea that to keep your money yourself you're protecting yourself you're looking out for number one it's not true right it's the wrong way to think because when you're generous especially when you're generous to friends it's super important the people you actually love that you express that to those people when you do do that it's good for you too it just doesn't seem like it's good for you because people are so survival oriented there's a great book called who really cares about famine mentality brooks or david brooks but he went out kind of seeing who who actually donates and who's generous and kind of going by political persuasion by geographical you know by just you know let me guess conservatives are number one yes so um but but especially religious ones yeah yeah yeah that is actually true fucking

108:56michigan first off uh minnesota stop mentioning my home my home state especially with jihadis out there you know you've seen the muslim videos um but uh there is the the ism this is one thing that i do that i do sincerely believe and this is why i don't shy away from saying listen i'm a conservative you said something that was pretty telling you said because i really i wanted to work hard i never wanted to be beholden to someone again right so you made that decision well you knew that if you did that and you worked hard then you wouldn't be beholden to someone else that was that was the the assumption you made okay but there's a lot of well hold on let me just go this real quick the assumption that that is free enterprise free enterprise or capitalism to use the term right it can only work under the under an optimistic society under people believing they can retire and do better

109:39socialism collectivism can only operate by appealing to people's most selfish nature by appealing to people saying listen the cards are the deck is stacked against you you can't do this there's someone else out there who has an ace in the hole you've been born without the leg up that they have therefore i need to help you that is the big difference capitalism can only survive in optimism whereas collectivism requires the worst of human nature to sustain itself maybe i believe that but wouldn't it be nicer if people just if someone figured out a way to say hey how much do you really need instead of saying you have to do this and put people back on their heels that sounds like a nightmare no that's not what i'm saying what i'm saying is can you contribute a small amount that's not even going to affect you but it's going to help other people

110:27and do you do that and if you do do that how do you do it do you do it in the form of generosity like do you tip waitresses more than you should do you do it in the form of giving out to charities that you feel are very worthy and you know you've researched them and you know the people that are behind them do you do it in terms of you know uh social work you do do you do it in terms of putting out informational videos that help people figure out how they can advance their own lives we all do in certain and i know you do too certain charitable things amongst people we care about when you address causes that you care about you go out of your way in a non-selfish way right try to illuminate certain things or or add to the coffers of certain organizations that are doing what you think are good good things i agree but that should

111:15be enforced more than the idea that some people are fucking you right right well i i agree with you and that's again that idea like you're talking about why are you giving to this cause why are you why are you donating your time right you're either it comes down to either donating money or time really at the end of the day it's some sort of material goods or time because you're doing it with the belief that you'll help people it doesn't work if you're being forced to because you don't believe it people that do it for a tax break no that's silly no one gives away a hundred thousand dollars to get a to get a forty thousand dollar tax break the math doesn't you might have to if you run some fucking llc you might have some weird shit llc aren't you an llc of course i'm talking about the other llc son pipes

111:57let's smoke it it smells it smells amazing though doesn't it it's good it really does smell good that's um it's definitely way better than cigarettes which shows you how much the fda has been fucking you well actually they've now pipes are a controlled tobacco product which they didn't used to be but it's all the chemicals that are actually added to cigarettes what does that mean does it mean hard to get i have to show my id to get pipe no there's there's something that changed because with pipe tobaccos a lot of these local like local tobacco shop they'll do their own blends so they'll buy pipe tobacco in bulk like that seersucker from someplace in one of the carolinas and i think that's changing so it actually removes the artistry where a lot of people like this is this is the blend i can get in i don't know you know holland michigan you can't get anywhere else

112:39it's amazing that's going away and what that does fda steps in is what does it do it favors the big boys who send out their tins from one centralized company the smaller tobacconists can't compete that's the worry about marijuana well right if it'll go legal you don't need these dispensaries anymore right isn't that kind of what'll happen they'll be out of business exactly it's a problem well what but also people it's okay to possess it it's okay to sell it or your friends can give you some some most satisfying weed i ever got my yoga teacher gave it to me that sounds about right how about that every time my wife goes in there trying to give her some kind of weird incense or new essential every time she goes to the pot stores no yoga oh yoga yo there's always something there's a big difference between essential oils and pot no not pot but they're always got something you

113:23they want to put on incense or something there's this my point my point is you're beholden to the yoga instructor so they use it sometimes as a sales pitch my yoga instructor is pure and she's my friend what's with the posing with the pipe fuck you for those who can't see when joe just said fuck you it actually blew out his own lighter fuck you fuck you right wing listen i mean i sit firmly in the flip-flopping position of the middle you don't though you're pretty you're you're thinking you're pretty fair um and i do like to think that i mean it's really hard to get leftist guests on our show that's just a reality uh we try and book them and then after a couple of times well you know what's the most leftist guest you've ever had well we had imam chowdhury who actually said i should die on air whoa yeah he's the guy who uh now

114:11he's in jail for for giving to isis or something from the uk so we had to we had to create a whole new guy said you should die on air why why did he say you should die oh because i did a three studios routine dressing up as mahar i remember that as three-year-old wife yeah isn't that amazing you should die for that you should die for dressing up as a guy outside of that you know sally cone is pretty far left christopher titus uh you know we had to oh that's what i wanted to talk about oh i want to talk about michael woods jr because we try to have him on we wouldn't come on the christopher titus debate was one of the most painful ones i've ever watched was it painful for you it it was because i i felt as though i usually do try and get into an engagement of ideas and he was just screaming so much i'm it was more painful for me because i'm a dad yeah and i why don't you

114:57care about dead kids something no something went wrong somewhere along the line to get him to that place where he's arguing about something where he really doesn't know the facts yeah it wasn't it wasn't just that it was when you were throwing out laws regulations and he just didn't know enough you know kept arguing about it you know when someone's arguing about something and they don't know exactly what they're talking about yeah and they've gone down a dark road and instead of saying okay i can't really talk about this because i don't i don't have any facts at my disposal instead of doing that he kept arguing it yeah and i was like oh jesus and i contacted you afterwards like jesus bro this is rough well he was also you were very nice about that you were very nice to him while it was going on because it was fucking ugly and you were very nice afterwards you didn't

115:43gloat we had him back we had him back one time because i wanted to find some common ground and he just gets so mad yes sally cone um well he's saying you don't care about dead kids like that's the motive thing that i'm talking about here's the thing i don't shy away from a motive thing it was it was it was a conversational debate ploy it's like he it was a crude debate debate ploy he's trying to box you into a corner i want to say this because i appreciate christopher tedeson we talked off air he's a nice guy he's a nice guy whereas someone like a michael woods jr who refused to come on the show tried to leverage coming on this show to debate me is dishonest and someone who's afraid or michael ian black uh who i recently got into it with hopefully he'll come on the show a lot of times get in there with him literally i was on air and all he did was we talked about this last

116:26time my video on rape culture you saw it uh with elena dunham thing where it's one in four women are raped and in the video i literally say i'm not saying rape isn't a horrible crime and those people should be buried beneath the train tracks okay okay i'm also not apologizing for i literally say that in the video okay okay and then i get into the stats as to why rape culture doesn't exist in the united states and it does in the middle east so all michael ian black tweets out is a portion of that video a snippet that is not the statistics that i present a snippet that's a sketch cutaway just tweets out holy shit and this is the thing that someone sent that to him if he got a clip well hold on it goes further it goes further just tweets out holy shit and this is the constant thing right that often people who disagree with me politically who i identify as a left go

117:06crowder doesn't think there's a rape culture and so if they say it as though it's absurd enough people go yeah that's silly but i say well hold on tell me why i'm wrong and so i said well come on the show tell me why i'm wrong and he said well i wouldn't want two straight white guys debating rape culture i'd rather you talk with someone who's a victim of rape or a woman would have a better handle on it so i said okay how about you talk with one of my two head writers casey or courtney they disagree with you they'd be glad to debate it no i don't think this is going to go and then i had to call him out on air to the point where he's agreed to come on next thursday but again the point is holy shit this is absurd why is it absurd tell me why i don't want to show up if you have to ask then you don't know and that's the position today that we see on cable news that we see from

117:48in this election but you particularly see from people trying to silence dissent i love the idea of as a white man you shouldn't be able to talk about the certain thing you should be able to talk about bugs on jupiter okay it doesn't fucking matter right what your sexual orientation is what your gender is what your race is you should be able to talk about things right just because you talk to somebody about something doesn't mean you're the premier expert of it right the premier you're the premier expert of it no you should be able to talk about things i think you're right and that's a silly that's a silly whether you're it's a plea to the left yeah that that really is that's a plea what that is is you're saying things that you think peace people could possibly criticize you about right and you're cutting it off at the pass before their preposterous ideas get to you and your

118:40twitter feed well to me i mean like you said you you disagree with people on certain things but you're not a coward ideologically i'm not talking about physically but you'll allow people on who you disagree with and you'll change your mind i definitely change my mind i'm not married to my ideas as much as i get criticized for that no i think you're i think you're pretty consistent in that and i think on the flip side what we try and do is i say listen this is my bias this is what i believe what's your bias well my like you said i'm right wing i'm conservative if you had to like if you go god damn it maybe i went too far down this road if i could just relax one aspect of my my dialogue what would it be me it would be my pipe smoking your pipe smoking um i probably you know i probably wouldn't talk about the marijuana issue that i wouldn't care because here's the thing i don't care about it

119:24one way or the other but my issue with it is when and we saw some montreal i talked about it when people lie about it and they're dishonest with their voting constituency like how so well saying you know it's medicine for a b c or d it may be medicine for a but not for b c or d what are the b c's and d's what are the things that's not medicine for an example well you're asking me what i wouldn't talk about and asking me to defend it the point is i don't really care about it but what are the b c's and d what you you said it cures cancer uh well there has been shown it helps with cancer about as much as turmeric and ginger those things help with cancer inflammatory yeah i know but it's not a prescription cbd has been shown to have tremendous tremendous benefits for cancer and non-psychoactive yeah and certainly with seizures i have zero problem with cbd okay but my issue is also cannabis

120:08i'll have to yeah i feel the need to call people out and bullshit when they say well the reason it's not because of big pharmaceutical companies go hold on a second there are seven patents on chemical compounds for marijuana right now right the people who stand to make the most out of marijuana legalization or pharmaceutical companies that's why they make that's not true well it is if you look at the biggest supplement companies it's owned by the same pharmaceutical companies but you can't patent a plan yes you can they've patented seven seven at least you can't strains that are gmos no no seven active chemical compounds in pot that have been patented as drugs they've gone through the process yeah but you can't really efficient to the point where you can't grow pot how would you stop someone if pot's legal if pot's legal how would anyone and if they if that's the

120:48truth that's a real problem if pot is recognized as a medicine right if pot is recognized there is no one who would stand to gain more than pharmaceutical companies by providing it as medicine that's not necessarily true if people allowed to maybe it's not necessarily true i'll give you that but i also think it's not necessarily true that the reason people can't smoke up is because big pharma is sitting somewhere you know martin schreckley going oh let's make potty illegal well not that that's my only point but there are absolutely people who have lobbied as we talked about how the prison guard union has lobbied to keep marijuana illegal there's absolutely pharmaceutical companies have done the same thing it was revealed in the wikileaks memos see this is where i was saying it was hold on don't interrupt you fuck where hillary clinton said that she's against marijuana in every sense of the word

121:30right you remember those those wikileaks papers that came out yeah is he he said he would leave it up to the states yeah that's actually a constitutional approach but he's pretty he wants to beef up the war on drugs you know why i bet someone slipped him a pot cookie once and he looked at his hair in the mirror no he's a teetotaler he doesn't even drink what the fuck sold vodka doesn't drink donald trump it's crazy yeah ever no he says he colorado topped one billion in legal marijuana sales in 2016 good holla yeah holla at colorado yeah but another thing that we we just wrote about and again people get mad with the weed issue well no no traffic fatalities regarding marijuana have skyrocketed google that because that's nonsense no you know drunk driving drunk driving arrests have dropped what do you mean you've what first of all we wrote about what the source of

122:16all original studies just because someone gets in an accident and they're high see because hold on stop no no you interrupt way too much you need to stop you talk hold on a second no no no no i don't talk in paragraphs i make full points if people are high a lot and the same amount of fatalities exist but the people that get checked once they get into these accidents happen to be high it does not necessarily mean that marijuana cause those fatalities it could be that you have an increased incidence of people doing marijuana and altercations it could not have been avoided it could be it could be but the statistical change is measurable well what is it you're talking about in colorado uh in states where it's been decriminalized let's go it's colorado pull it up james and all something you just said let me make my point again my point is i don't care about it yeah you do no i really don't

123:08you don't care about people dying you son of a bitch no no you get so touchy about it because someone says you know what if people want to smoke up fine i just don't really buy the arguments that everyone is in some big conspiracy to try and snuff it out no there are some and the idea that the drug war will end and the idea that it's it's it's cures cancer i just don't buy that and people get so upset well listen that's my only point that's why i wouldn't talk about it have proven that it shrinks tumors that it helps people with cancer much like turmeric much like any things that reduce inflammation including cbd tart cherry right but it's not necessarily they're all legal and there's no issue because they're not psychoactive right but they are beneficial so all these things are good marijuana is one of the things that are good and don't sure man just like you don't sure

123:50turmeric you don't sure ginger you don't sure a reduced sugar diet all those things that reduce inflammation are good i don't i don't buy that smoking marijuana would be as beneficial as a sugar diet and my point is that people might be so offended you might be saying that and saying but if you want to smoke go ahead you might be correct and be offended it doesn't matter because it's not a fucking contest to see what's the most beneficial it the question is is it beneficial and is it damaging it is it does matter what's damaging no no let me let me finish my point it does matter you said what would you not talk about i said probably pot because i don't care well what do you think about it i said this is what i think about it and your eyes light up and all of a sudden we're in the ology and world use shouldn't be discussed no you're gonna laser like a tractor

124:31beam on the most important issue of the day that i said i don't care you're the guy that thinks people should be able to do whatever you're a free market guy right so if you're a free market guy why wouldn't you be in support of something whether it's the most beneficial i am or equally beneficial but you're not necessarily because you're you're denying because right now of the chemical compounds hold on fuckface you're denying come on it's been a good conversation we're friends i'm just joking since marijuana legalization highway fatalities in colorado are at near historic lows we have him bringing up the source that you want to find washington bring up the study right there yeah washington post bring up the study that we wrote we wrote about on our website look i don't care about your website you fuck since marijuana legalization highway fatalities in colorado are at near historic

125:19lows since you called me a fucking a pussy and you do this with the crazy lady in a comedy club buddy i like you think if you scream enough that it makes a point my point is i don't care about it that if we smoke up and you just said i was interrupting you're interrupting i was screaming because jamie put up a post you're not but i don't buy that it's as valuable as a low sugar diet and the fact doesn't have the fact that you can't have a conversation about this as civilly as you did every other issue tells me that there's a there's a problem this is a tnt powder k i can this problem is i get really defensive when people start talking over me and you started at first but the reality is that a low sugar diet is fine sure it's good too but why is there a competition between a low sugar diet and turmeric and marijuana and cbd oil why why why does one is making the claim regarding legality

126:06that it cures cancer my only point is i don't believe it no my only point is because the other ones are already legal they don't have to fight yeah but no one's prescribing no one's dishing out uh dispensaries for turmeric or ginger they certainly are if you go to these local juice shops anyway you go to these juice shops people are promoting ginger like crazy tumeric like crazy i couldn't care if you will couldn't care less people want to smoke joints you're an ideologue buddy really that's an ideologue position by saying leave it to the states yeah you you're you're locked in man really you're locked deep into this fucking red state thing man i was raised in a socialist province where your bread is buttered buddy a socialist province and meanwhile you're over here in america fucking just as much of an immigrant as some dude who sneaks over the wall trump just built

126:49i'm born in detroit so that remains to be seen it could be annexed it's a horrible place it's a horrible detroit have you seen that thing where there um there's a guy who is making a um an urban farm in detroit oh that's very common in detroit now well he's got the largest urban farm and he's bought up all this land and as he's bought up all this land he's taking these like dilapidated houses they tear him down he's building this farm really cheap land and people are getting pissed off at him they're getting pissed off because this one guy now buys all this land they're like well what about us yeah and this there's this weird thing that's going on where people somehow or another are mad at this guy who's trying to do something positive if i'm not mistaken on that story i could be wrong but urban farming was a real we wrote about that when we did this

127:34report in detroit i was telling actually jamie about it beforehand we did a real-time ride-along because people said we selectively edited the worst parts of detroit so i went back with my producer not gay jared we said okay we're gonna start dead center downtown detroit where all the hipsters drink their coffee and talk about how it's being revived we will drive out in three different directions we put a gopro on top of the car gopro in the car a mileage tab and a timer clock and it never took more than about i think 0.9 miles out of the city to certain death an unbelievable urban plight the crazy thing about detroit is you'll see downtown detroit and then you look to the left and it looks like the upper peninsula there's nothing there it's so desolate and if i'm not mistaken with that story everyone was doing urban farming but there were some problems with the soil and so there's a guy who

128:17probably found out he could make money if he improved the soil and he got it down to a system that was more efficient and people didn't like that aspect of it because now it's the big ermine farmer right they're always it's a wealthy guy who bought up a lot of land right and he's a white guy and he bought it up in this you know really urban area and you know the buildings were all fucked up and somehow or another people felt like somebody was encroaching in their neighborhood that they had watched deteriorate i there's no one there there's no one there in those neighborhoods some people are there but the point is they felt like that should have been somehow or another a part of their world which is weird you know it's weird to think that you deserve something because that's where you live i think like we were talking earlier about uber and all these things change is a real

129:00part of being an organism that lives on a planet right and whether it's change because of nature like the fucking shoreline changes the ocean rises tsunamis hit the coast earthquakes change the landscape volcanoes whether it's that kind of change or whether it's economic change or whether it's technological change there's going to be change and if you're trying to stop change you're on the wrong side of history it's not going to work you're gonna you're gonna try and it's eventually going to overcome you yeah i think you know my my view is you should allow people to uh be the change they seek as barack obama put it and shouldn't try to force change if you live in a shit neighborhood some dude wants to break down the terrible houses and build a farm that's not necessarily a bad idea no it's not at all yeah i mean they have when we did our video in detroit packs of wild dogs roaming the

129:51streets in oh that's real yeah that's real that's real and we got fact checked on it because we did a video on this where we said you know packs of and then i made a joke where i said apparently there have been grizzly bear sightings so hopefully this will be our next national geographic special something black bear sightings right but i got fact checked i don't know if it was back then i don't know remember if it was snopes or something someone saying steven crowder made the claim that grizzly bears were in detroit fact check reveals that only black bears have been in the actual no sitting there like well you should fact check them because black bears are more likely to be predatory on human beings than grizzly bears is that just because of more common interactions though statistically you're very smart you're right that's right kind of like sharks it occurs in three to four feet of water

130:31that's where people are swimming exactly um but that is the case with grizzly grizzly bears are way more aggressive necessarily but they don't necessarily associate human beings with food are you supposed to play dead or run with a grizzly bear you would know that probably it depends entirely on why the grizzly bear is attacking you the reality is if a grizzly bear is attacking you because she's with her cubs you're better off playing dead you're better off covering up yeah protecting your vitals getting in the turtle position and taking your beatings and she's your ass goodbye she's gonna fuck you up but she might leave you alone if you just lay still and then she feels like she can run away she's gonna fuck you up no matter what she's gonna incapacitate you but if an old male or a predatory male that has killed another human being and recognizes human beings as food yeah that has

131:18happened before where hikers have disappeared and hikers disappear all the time to the tune of hundreds of people every year just vanish i read that actually polar bears will stalk people well that's a different animal yeah polar bears are completely predatory which means they don't eat any vegetation you can get lucky with grizzly bears where grizzly bears can have a fucking field of blueberries and they don't want to have anything to do with you because blueberries are delicious they don't run and they can just sit there and eat and they don't have any hunger pangs really yeah how many blueberries would it take to feed a grizzly bear well this you know you're talking about alaska like a mountainside like in the spring or in the fall rather like before they go into hibernation that's what they primarily eat because all that sugar just gets like straight into the fat

132:08into their bodies and they store it up big thick fat layers yeah but an animal that has already killed a person is where it becomes a real problem it's not that animals are evil or animals like target people it's they recognize food sources that they've already eaten did you see those those people who were protesting they were really mad the rangers at yellowstone park so they're very strict that you cannot feed the bears you cannot interact with them and what they do is they had a bear that wasn't necessarily aggressive but they do this all the time but there was some specific instance that pissed people off wasn't necessarily being aggressive but learned that people would throw food at it and so they're going well not only do we can we not have that bear doing it but we can't have other bears seeing that bear as an example so what they do their first step is taking the bear far away you

132:51know somehow transporting them uh sedating them and if it comes back either a second or third time they euthanize they have to yeah and all these people were furious and they're going no no we're doing this so that the bears don't become dependent on humans for food if you euthanize one bear that prevents the rest of them they no longer can forage can hunt for themselves because they realize these people are going to throw us a sandwich and that's a great example of just people not knowing not being informed enough on an issue and instead deciding to be outraged like i don't know about grizzly bears they assume the yellowstone rangers kind of have their crap together on it well that's also like pita people that don't want to admit that pita kills thousands of cats and dogs every year and their heads a diabetic who uses insulin which came to you courtesy of animal testing yeah but she feels

133:33like that's okay because she's a vegan because she's skinny fat but there's a great podcast that's available right now the most recent meat eater podcast with steve ranella where he talks to a bear biologist who discusses the history of yellowstone at one point in time the dumps where people in restaurants used to dump all their food was places where people would go to watch to watch bears we did it at a campground wow it was like what year was this gosh 90s where were you not in yellowstone no this was in canada okay they'd already made it illegal in yellowstone i think there were no bears when we went we just drove by there was no one but it's like yeah if you go down to this area it's really cool you get to see the bears foraging well in yellowstone it was one of the main um like like mortality like if you look at like mortality um events yeah it was a huge mortality event because

134:25they went cold turkey they stopped dumping all the trash there and these bears had become acclimated so much so that they had stopped learning how to forage food and bears died like unmasked yeah it's really kind of crazy that's also the flip side you know with a rescue dog where i tell people like we have a rescue dog and people get so offended when i say but if you have kids probably better to go from a breeder you know because for example hopper on the road we don't know you know we don't know what happened to him he happens to be the most affectionate loving dog that we've known but a dog like that that's starving can learn to become much more of a wild dog you know that can be trained in them because they're scared they're scared been scared and you bring them in for example hopper he gets recall

135:05any gun ever since we've had him any handgun rifle pull it out goes nuts so he's seen guns he's seen something in a negative connotation with guns you can't know that so if you have some kid and he pulls out a squirt now he's not aggressive he's just a bark if he doesn't like something and people i don't know if it was pita some animal person got really mad well there's so many dogs that need homes i'm going listen i've rescued a dog i think if you know what you're handling you should if you're able but if you have kids who don't have a lot of dog training and you don't know where this dog's come from i i place kids higher on the totem pole than dogs how dare you you're a speciesist i know i am a speciesist that's a new thing it is there a speciesism when we were kids jamie you're younger there was that film species where that blonde chick that's different where'd she go she quit i don't

135:53know she's probably doing soft core pornography how dare you maybe she's writing books well the the the grizz so i didn't know that i mean i've never thought of black bears as being aggressive toward people yeah man i ranella the same guy who has the podcast i was talking about told me a story of a guy who went on his very first hunt and while he was in his tent a 500 pound predatory grizzly bear attacked him his friend shot the bear and hit him in the wrist the bear takes off out of the tent goes to another dude's tent and they shoot it in that tent to kill it so everyone's covered in blood and hair and did they kill it yeah they killed it but i mean the guy had a bullet wound in his wrist he had been mauled by this bear i mean this is his first hunting trip ever did you see the the reverend yes you know did you remember that there was a rumor

136:43before that film came out that niliano dicaprio gets raped by the bear did you read that that was front page you are on the wrong website it was front page at drudge exactly people were so outraged the wrong no no no and i remember thinking about that and i remember watching it going this is an example of fake news whether it's the right or the left is going this is clearly not a bear rape scene but it was a huge rumor that was going around people said don't i don't go see the revenue wasn't huge enough to reach my twitter page well you have a big twitter page you're just too into it man you're too deep into the news of the world i told the story to chris lieben uh at the reverend revenant revenant reverend revenant so we're there this is i swear this is true and chris lieben thought it was fake and faking it so we're watching the revenant and it's right at that

137:26scene where he cauterizes his wound remember with the gunpowder on his neck so we're sitting there and we're watching it and he's screaming and so for a second we didn't realize it a few rows down a guy's all of a sudden starts projectile vomiting while the lead and all is on screen and we're looking and we're going oh my god we think he starts shaking we think he's having a seizure my wife being a sweetheart goes okay everybody move away someone call 9-1-1 and his his wife or his girlfriend is like sweet here he's and it's going down two rows we i go i wait for the ambulance they come in the guy has vomit all over him i think someone who's sitting in front of him had vomit on the back of his head they thought for sure he had a seizure turns out he had fallen asleep and inhaled a popcorn kernel and he was just choking and perfect timing and then aspirating

138:14on his own vomit so we're watching this film the revenant one of the most graphic scenes in cinematic modern history and everyone's what the hell is going on wow and what a coincidence yeah and it was i mean the guy was embarrassed he just fell asleep it's not a cool story i've imagine if it was a scene like uh you remember that movie what was that movie with not matt damon matt dylan what was the movie where the two girls are making out by the pool stranger no oh oh oh wild things yeah what if he watched that movie what if that scene was going down and that popcorn colonel got stuck in his mouth he started projectile vomiting why would that be worse it'd be way worse just be more awkward it makes sense like the guy's scared there's a bear he's killing leonardo dicaprio no don't kill leo you know don't do it to him he's the king of the world he's in the front

139:10of the fucking titanic don't don't do it you know people freak out and like a bear attack but if you're freaking out like a lesbian event it turns out it was just coincidentally just popcorn and that's the story people are going to tell about you for the rest of your life yeah bobby saw these two broads making out they were choked on his popcorn he's alone he's alone he's by himself he just starts hurling changed his life bro said he choked on popcorn but we know that's bullshit oh my gosh i've never i've never seen like i mean from here yeah to that like buddha statue the kid in the the kid in the pie eating contest and that stephen king boomie stand by me remember that oh yeah the blueberry pie contest i would i would say this is worse because it wasn't like a flow it was pressurized it's funny

139:54because he was also holding his mouth so it's coming out through a crack you know like this where it's going and squirting so it was he fell asleep with a popcorn kernel in his mouth at the revenant in the middle of that fucking really exciting movie in the middle of that scene right where he's cauterizing his the wound in his neck i felt bad for him and imagine that if that if that wasn't his wife that was wasn't his fiancee there's a good chance they're not together did you think that movie was based on real life events i have no idea was it supposedly but incorrectly oh really yeah it's not so based on a guy fake news they already have oh really didn't happen in an environment anything like the environment they filmed it in they filmed it in this like tropical rainforest in british columbia the the guy never had a son when leonardo dicaprio's son is killed in front of him

140:41the only thing that was true was the guy got mauled by a bear made it back to camp all that other shit they left him for dead they left him for dead he actually survived he made it back to camp that's it he's like what the fuck bro the guy's like sorry i thought you were dead that's it that's the movie but that was the entire teaser was the lead up to the bear attack and it was him going back and killing the guy who left him behind who also killed his son there was no son nobody killed anybody that he got fucked up by a bear and they left him alone that's interesting when you think about that you know you go back and um do you like weston price you know that weston price foundation where they do like the fermented cod liver oil and stuff and they they're a big catalyst for like eating real fats and stuff and the guy claims aware of this what is it yeah i think

141:24weston a price foundation and where it advocates traditional like organ meats around for a long time yeah i think his name is weston price and because i always watch those movies like the revenant and i go could you imagine how much it smelled or imagine what their teeth were like and this guy yeah but this guy claimed he went down to uh like you know third world sort of african nations where they didn't brush their teeth but they had perfect smiles and he claims it was because i don't know how i don't know if it's true at all but he says it was because they ate a lot of organ meats they were getting a lot of vitamin k natural vitamin d as opposed to kind of the sugary lifestyle with refined carbohydrates in the new world um and that's a big part of like this whole kind of high saturated fat organs uh bone broths it's called like weston something price foundation but i remember there were these

142:11pictures side by side of people in the new world who were on largely grain fed diets and these people who were basically third world sort of tribesmen but they had these beautiful white teeth that makes sense in some ways that people that live natural lives with natural foods without anything processed would be healthier yeah but the teeth and they were nice white teeth well sugar for sure is definitely deteriorates your teeth we know that we know that kids who eat a lot of sugar and don't brush their teeth and i think a lot of that is also that stuff getting caught in your gums and your teeth and it's just not good causes sugar it causes tooth decay we know that yep and the worst thing is sugar-free gummy bears you ever read those reviews on amazon god what do they do to your asshole that's exactly what the reviews are on amazon i swear to you if you just google sugar-free gummy bears it's just

142:56like my asshole has never been the same size since it's just a bunch of people who trolled the amazon review section for sugar-free gummy bears if you're ever just looking for a laugh on a sunday afternoon read the amazon reviews for sugar-free haribo gummy bears do you remember olestra there was an additive to like potato chips olestra just makes people just rocket shit out of their assholes do they allow it no well trans fats are now they're illegal but you have they have there's a grace period until 2018 i believe or maybe 19 right where companies are allowed to still use that stuff in their potato chips or whatever the fuck they sell up until like then they're like that's it like you can poison people for two more years that's it well you know why we use terrible for you because of the same environmental vegetarian lobby who you know back then mcdonald's used beef tallow

143:49for their fries because no no you need to be using vegetable oil hydrogen agent vegetable oil so they that was a bunch of lobbyists you know that's why we started eating trans fats and now they're going actually margarine is not as good for you as butter and they've changed but that was a huge powerful lobbying group where the vegetarians you know the san francisco kind of hippie era that's why trans fats became ubiquitous well it was also a byproduct of the sugar industry bribing scientists to lie about the beneficial qualities of their sugar and they just pretended that sugar is fine what do you want it's saturated fat that's the issue and everybody went shit we got to get some margarine yeah these people went out and bought margarine because it terrified of saturated fat because the sugar companies had bribed some scientists we had that when we were kids country croc margarine we didn't know

144:36it's so bad for you it's interesting now that that's been revealed and you find out that those people didn't even get that much money they got like the equivalent of fifty thousand dollars today right to literally lie to everybody about the the they just made up a bunch of shit about saturated fat and they they just diminished all the negative effects of sugar and people just started drinking that that milk from uh captain crunch remember that milk where you get that fucking sugary captain crunch milk or cocoa pops it's absolutely delicious we get the chocolate milk out of cocoa pops oh my god count chocula oh my jesus kids were just so good we grew up on sugar i know and in canada we uh we had a whole different i didn't realize until i moved to the states corn pops in canada are actually like spherical captain crunch they're not at all like corn pops in the states there are a lot of little

145:29differences because it's such a silly country where um you'll be raised there and you'll come here like wait oreos aren't the same super sugar crisp remember that sugar in the title that's right that was the sugar crisp bear right yeah yeah wasn't enough of that sugar crisp that's right super sugar crisp can you imagine you have a goddamn drug in the name of your look at that there you go that is crazy does that still exist it's not even good it's illegal you go to jail if you even sell that this is the sugar bear i'm here i'm your sugar bear super sugar crisp it's cold and crisp what's the difference between sugar i'm not a bear i'm a strange mongoose i'm a mongoose with a t-shirt on then there was cookie crisp remember that cookie crisp yeah they had cookies and milk but then there was reese's puff cereal look at that one smacks they have an indian a cultural

146:25appropriation they couldn't do that today look at that what does that have to do with a native american what smacks it's kind of like latino selling cards they just put tits on it because it sells in their culture oh inside there's a free indian card that's a special indian addition that doesn't make an acceptable they created the indian card so it's just as bad no it's fine because there's a giveaway of the cultural appropriation i like frosted flakes go down to frosted flakes over there they still sell they're great yeah 1950s good source of vitamin d because you added vitamin d yeah throw it in there there's no natural vitamin d in there you got milk pussy your kids gonna get sick from some sugar what kind of fucking shitty kids are you raising reese's puff cereal that was a big one everyone i was being

147:07reese's puffs reese's peanut butter puffs cereal whoa that's you've never had that no that was a little later than you i guess it might have been illegal in my country they might have been looking out for our best interest by the no i remember it because there was a there was like a fat black kid from uh hanging with mr cooper who did the commercials in canada for reasons i can't get it over i love that reese's puff cereal we were sitting there as this kid he was in hanging with mr cooper and so as a kid you're like well we watched that show on tgif we have to get reese's peanut butter cup what's tgif up there that was that was the same thing abc you know oh down here it's a fucking place that sells yeah well no it was it was yeah bad wings too they're not that bad they're pretty bad you're in kansas you're on the road it's true tgi fridays what's the big deal

147:49bennegan's is coming back too you see that bennegan's is back don't you remember that they were gone away because everyone's like well okay bennegan's we can do without i didn't even notice you mean they went under and then they came back yep they were gone now they're back i don't know why huh whole new branding probably investment bankers probably some dudes from marin county it's the globalists wire wire frame glasses those fucks skinny jeans well what we're trying to do is bring back a really recognizable brand yeah it's really important to america have you ever had people do that on this show feel and we understand do what have you ever had people try to come in and be like listen we can take your show even bigger we just think there are a few tweaks you ever get those people who approach you uh no which is interesting really no everybody's like

148:33no no no no adam carol they got him though huh they did i don't know it's true i did i did his show once and it was uh it was the most awkward thing i'd ever done in my life why was it so awkward well because the booker so i was doing prager university and it's like oh yeah i know i'll hook you up and um first off he's like adam carol is he's not like you like like come in and you talk off air he kind of like doesn't doesn't really talk to you until you're on air which i can respect it's professional but i wasn't on the adam carol a podcast it was adam carol a and dr drew had reunited to do like it wasn't it's not love line but it's effectively the same thing right and so they still do that they brought it back and i was there for like the first week no i was there for like the first week they brought it back and so it's him and dr drew sitting there doing their

149:15shtick at a table and then i'm literally at the end of the table with nothing to say like yeah that sounds about right they're taking callers from people didn't even bring you in a little bit but it just you know adam carol does his podcast like this with an interview and that was just it was really weird and i think what happened was they didn't realize he wasn't doing the show that day and they brought me they were very nice dr drew and and adam was gracious afterward but it was it was clear like it's a two-guy show taking phone calls and you were just there yeah i was pretty much just they didn't say your name no no they did they did but it was like we want to take phone calls well adam does he essentially does an internet radio show that's what his show is right you know i mean he was he had his radio show that was a big hit radio show and then the station went under in la and i think

150:02he just decided to do the same format and just do that same format online yeah that makes it when we started our show um you know it was syndicated and so we had radio and so we had all these commercial breaks we used to do at 6 a.m on friday mornings out of detroit and uh what we did well no one really cares about these commercial breaks nationally so we just did a bunch of sketches and fake commercials and that's what created all these characters that people have created these twitter profiles for because we just said well you know so we're not going to run an ad for a local car dealership we'll do a fake news break and we would do like fake tornado warnings and stuff like that which is highly illegal by the way we learned that one later on uh because we had to kind of work with the format online and now we just took it off took it off radio yeah fuck radio it was too much dying market

150:44that thing is not going to last it's stupid when was the last time you turned on your radio i haven't ever yeah i don't even remember it's another person i think like all the cells in your body except your neurons switch every seven years that means every cell in my body has never listened to the radio that's real that's fucking real man that's like if someone said to me when was the last time you watched a vhs cassette i was almost another person yeah that wasn't even me i don't take responsibility for me of 14 years ago because if i did i would still be pissed at shit in my pants when i was a baby okay because i would take it back to when i was three and i even bit my sister or something i don't know what the fuck i did but you know what i mean i might have i don't know i don't remember three is my point it's like if you go back to the things you did when you were developing individual yeah so

151:31i feel like every seven years i don't i don't even want i don't even want to know yeah what i did 14 years ago three it's pretty rough years i called my dad's pastor a little bastard three you're probably right well because my grandfather called me a little bastard right i thought it was a term of endearment and so my dad's like this is pastor kevin butcher i said hey how you doing little bastard well that pastor should have known oh this little kid is getting fucked over at home no you know what happened actually he got outed uh and this is actually a point where no no no he got outed from the church because there was his pregnant i think his pregnant wife was at a detroit lions game and there was a guy with a bullhorn behind her right up against her ear right this guy was a pat but a really good guy uh regardless of someone's you know religious affiliation but a good guy

152:12and uh he's like hey man could you stop my wife's here you know whatever she was either pregnant or something and i got a guy just looked at him and kept doing it right next to his wife's ear like got right up on her ear and he he ended up kicking the guy's ass uh getting into a fight with him because the guy was getting up on their space and getting exactly turn the other cheek he did not uh he did when he asked him to and so there was a whole vote and uh i remember that was that was when i was pretty young i thought well so they outed him they got rid of him meaning i could be wrong there was a whole up there was a whole controversy over it and i remember learning about it as a kid thing well that's that seems pretty reasonable the guy getting up in his wife's grill and bothering a pregnant woman yeah it's like what do you do because human nature is definitely to hit the

152:52person but do you just leave you know because your your night is ruined yeah period well i say kick his ass i mean i think what happened was no no i don't think he kicked his ass i'm saying but the guy got physical and he got physical with the guy right and got the better of him so it could have been a shoving match could have been a punch he didn't beat him it wasn't american history x curb stomp i'm just saying no one expected a pastor to do anything to protect his wife i get it yeah and uh or that was that was a big deal i called him a little bastard that's the end of that rabbit trail well you were right once he got kicked out you're probably that crowder kid he's got vision he sees the future this kid's going places he knew that guy was a brawler he's a fucking bleachers brawler he gets up there gets licking up fucks his wife gets her pregnant takes her to the game

153:38that crowd is going places he called it he's gonna go to fox news for four years he knows four years of his life i saw him on this show once with amy schumer he argued with her oh man i took his side he argued with her what is this what did she do she you guys were on some show and she was trying to like diminish you as a comedian yeah she was trying to say you weren't a comedian yeah and then the interesting thing i said there's like a thing that people do in the world of stand-up comedy where they decide oh he's an opener or he's a middle act right you know like there's like there's this weird sort of a thing and someone like if they're looking like shit on you oh you do time you do comedy yeah oh you do comedy yeah what are you done you do a few open mics you think you're a fucking comedian yeah i really it's very very really dislike that yeah

154:26she did that right off and i knew it because she was asking me questions in the green room like where do you where do you do comedy what do you do do you and she was like she asked me at one point do you perform at churches i said no i said no i never have and she but she was so inflexible in her argument she was how old we then yeah maybe 22 23 i probably would have shit on you too dude probably would have been right next to her but that that changed if you look at the the reaction amy would have fucking dog tagged you well no i don't i don't think so it changed drastically you don't think so no what do you think would happen you would have won that well i think i think i think you probably i think if you'd have been there i think you would have done really well yeah yeah i do i think i think if you watch that thing her argument was you're not a real

155:04comedian i think i would have never said information and i would have never said that and i think amy schumer's a 30 something year old girl who bitches at people on twitter now and is unmarried and miserable and i'm married to a woman i'm pretty happy with are you comparing lives i am um i am and i think i was right well i think that whenever someone and also she's funny by the way okay good for you i think whenever someone says that um you're not a comedian thing that's yeah that's an issue i have an issue with that because we all started out as open micers and when you're talking to someone who's 22 years old when i was 22 i was an open micer i was doing open mic nights well i didn't just for laughs at that point so i wasn't an open micer yeah i mean and you know i'd headline crappy clubs okay were you getting paid yeah were you a professional comedian you're making you living off of stand-up

155:47comedy already i've only made my living ever off of acting stand-up comedy or writing since 18 years old wow so when you were 22 years old all your bills were you living with your mom or what's going on how are you paying your bills at stand-up comedy when you're 22 years old so i was i was uh i would do stand-up and i had some pretty relatively successful acting gigs did some films commercials some tv um at that point i was a fox news contributor which paid me a retainer um i did freelance writing where they would pay by the word so you were doing stand-up on a regular basis so you were a stand-up comedy i don't do it much anymore i would readily admit like now i don't because the show you know everything is a 14-hour day and i would never claim to be as good of a stand-up as as you or nick de paulo or billboard by the way but nick de paulo asked me to plug he's doing his stand-up

156:29special in boston yeah his stand-up special is going on ciso this thursday so please go he's probably the best for my money one of the best living comedians he's certainly one of my favorite nick de paulo was goddamn hilarious and he was here yesterday and he fucking killed me he's he's he's a very fun and a very very very good dude and another weirdo right wing fucking yeah he he is but um you know it's pretty common i mean christopher titus did the same thing that was the same thing we started losing the gun issue he goes oh stand-up i get paid for stand-up well you know what he what he was doing was trying to save whatever was going on in his mind whether there's a conversation whether it was a competition whatever the little battleground in his mind was going on he was trying to save his his patch of land well i think and i think it would work with most people

157:15i think you would probably agree with this a lot of stand-up comedians they they have a void and they're filling it this is becomes their identity and so for me it was never my whole identity wrapped up in stand-up i mean i had been doing acting since i was 12 years old you know i was tutored on set with a lot of things uh you know i did kids cartoons that show arthur is how i started out so i i did stand-up and i'll be the first to admit i did it as a means to getting to other avenues and then i turned out i fell in love with it but i never planned on doing stand-up my whole life so if i were i'm a standard comedian i'm a road comic i love being you know waking up for leftover drugs and being unhappy and bitching about my manager leftover drugs have you ever heard of such a thing yeah yeah i might got leftover drugs see just like you i'm being facetious but the point

157:55is turkey oh drugs yeah whose drugs is this i can have them right well you know the pride and stand-up of barely getting by kind of like new york right you're in a shitty city in a two-bedroom apartment with five roommates right and you're proud of it because you can tell everyone how miserable you are so it just didn't that's not real oh yeah no no it's real once you become successful it's never real while it's struggling people try to act like it is right like oh man i couldn't do anywhere else it's the energy of this city it's like you literally you shit in a drain in the kitchen you know in those in the lower east side you're seeing those lower east side it's like exaggerating i am not it's the right wing the right wing people are always exaggerating i looked at an apartment in the east village because they'd have like 19 polish family members per apartment and the toilet

158:41was right in the middle of the kitchen because they weren't designed sometimes you have to dig a shit and you're cooking bacon you want these people to walk at the same time it's an extra toilet there's one for mom while she's making spaghetti they're multitasking she could squat it's got one of those little squatty potty things you ever seen that one sign like if you go to some places it's frequented by too many people from asia you'll see signs that show like a person standing on the shitter squatting down it's like got a red line through it don't shit really this way yes pull has it become that popular the squatty potty i've seen it i've seen do you use a squatty potty yes i do at home i would assume so it helps because the caveman thing the bowel movement well if i prefer to shit in a hole in the ground but it's uh in the kitchen i don't have the time to dig like look at

159:32the guy no no no hold on that's not even he's not even aiming right that would just this is a joke one this is a joke one but i have literally seen that that's real that is an actual real for people in asia ari shafir went to china and he has this fucking hilarious bit about it and i don't want to i don't want to do his bit that's that's real but in china he went into a restroom and there was literally a hole in the ground and you were supposed to squat over the hole and they had no toilet paper yeah that is real and he told me that when people from asia who are used to that environment as the norm come over to the united states sometimes they actually stand on the toilet seat and and shit that way but the toilet seat is not designed for the aim to be accurate if you're if you're sitting on the toilet sheet you'd be crapping on the the water tank they don't know any

160:21better brother from another country without trump without trump leading them they don't even know anything man this is always what happens you're tossing defending trump i think yeah you know do you do you uh think he's a good leader are you happy that he's in office are you is it good because it's a shake-up i will say this um i i i think that again the left has behaved so poorly again with this yeah i think that trump donald trump has been a lightning rod i would disagree with him on some policy issues for sure but i think that because everyone has called him a nazi and a racist and a sexist and a transphobe that it's removed those arguments from the table for for for at least several decades because people are going yeah but you said it about john mccain and mitt romney everyone you disagree with is a racist i think that card's been played too much and because of donald

161:05trump it's been overplayed and i think now we see with our channel um granted it's not as big as you know the outreach you guys have but it's grown pretty substantially and a lot of our audience are self-professed liberals going you know what i used to hate you i used to i used to watch the young turks and we used to watch some crap on you but actually some of these points make sense and i used to think everyone would disagree with me was racist and i think because it's so overplayed it's left such a bad taste in people's mouth i do think that donald trump has served a real purpose to shine a light on that and you know that may be the most important point of all at this point in our culture with political correctness yeah i think when things go too far one way people get upset with that and when people get too biased whether it's towards the left or towards the right it tends to balance

161:48things out in the other direction like robert anton wilson called lyndon johnson the pacifist president you know why he called him the pacifist president because he was such a cunt that he created so many pacifists because of his atrocities that he ordered in the vietnam war people were so upset that more people became pacifists during the lincoln or excuse me during the lyndon johnson administration than than ever before yeah by the same token he called reagan the intellectual president because more people just went oh my god you gotta fuck god damn it it's important to know things yeah god damn it it's important to be smart like just say no bitch what are you talking about just say no you're you're bringing heroin in from vietnam just say no you're selling coke in south central to pay for the fucking conscious wait this is reagan was selling sandinistas

162:42oliver you don't know the oliver north story oh yeah oliver north yeah the real rick ross you know the whole story i don't know the real rick ross dude the real rick ross not the rapper but the real rick ross has been on my podcast twice was a drug dealer in south central who they put away for a life due to the three strikes rule yeah but became didn't know how to read okay went to jail was a drug dealer made millions of dollars selling coke okay did not have any idea who was bringing him the coke how he was getting it where it was coming from the profits that they were making was literally paying oliver north to arm the conscious versus the sandinistas i mean it was literally it was all proven in court i mean this is what michael rupert stood in front of what was the uh i forget what the um gathering was but on television on c-span michael rupert who was a narcotics officer for the los

163:41angeles police department who has also been on my podcast before he committed suicide he was the guy that was the focus of that movie collapse remember that movie collapse where he's talking about i'm trying to remember who was in that he it was just him smoking cigarettes sitting there talking about what he knew about the economy what he knew about all these different things that were problematic in our society and how there's only a certain amount of time before it's going to collapse it was kind of a crazy doom and gloom documentary but the point is he had caught cia agents rogue cowboy cia agents in the in the middle of selling drugs yeah in south central los angeles reported it and was in trouble because of that and decided to go public with it and they were selling these drugs they were

164:25making shit loads of money and they were transferring the money like to arm these rebels well rick ross was in the middle of that and didn't know he was in the middle of that he was literally selling drugs and funneling this whole thing went to went to jail as an illiterate person who literally couldn't read learned how to read in jail became a lawyer in jail like like learned oh okay yeah i think figured out that you can't charge him for the three strikes rule if it's one thing if it's if you're charging him with a bunch of counts under one incident it's the three strikes law doesn't apply and that's how they got him in jail so now he's out like all of this came because of that well i knew about oliver north in the contra thing i didn't know about rick ross specifically well this is this there's been

165:07proof that some elements of our government have sold drugs to impoverished neighborhoods in order to fund black ops like this is a fact and this is one of the things that robert anton wilson was talking about when he was talking about the reagan administration was like he became the intellectual president because people were so frustrated by how fucking crazy and chaotic and movie-like yeah things had become that they had decided to arm themselves with information i wonder if a big part of it that too is the backlash with ronald reagan because everyone said again he had no chance he was a moron and he won in a landslide where people go all right screw you we're going to consider him an like with donald trump listen i don't think donald trump's an intellectual well no one was considering him an intellectual they were considering him a great american right he had slick back hair and his

165:54wife stood still and everybody was happy well in between seances at the white house calling her astrologer making sure she's shit now or some weird stuff but i think people might have just been like you know what you called him a moron for so long and everyone who voted him a moron that then well they didn't really call reagan a moron yeah they did well not like they called george bush yeah they did yes they did yeah remember the playbook with with anyone who's conservative republican is if they can make you a moron they will if not you're evil right dick cheney can't be a moron he's evil i think you're confusing the narrative a little bit because reagan might have been simplistic but he was a wonderful speaker like he he gave really articulate well thought out speeches that spoke to americans again longing for this nostalgia of a time where the norman rockwell painting made sense right and

166:45that's what ronald reagan represented to a lot of people yeah a lot of people they were you know they were coming out of the chaos of the carter administration and the fucking vietnam and gas lines yeah the gas lines and the iranians taking the american hostages and all that crazy shit and ronald reagan came along he's like i'm gonna fix it i'm your dad never he's like we're in yeah but the media treated him like a real moron if you go back and watch that and then and right before his landslide election win they made if you look at the uh the electoral map sort of the polls and the predictions they they give him no chance of winning and that's why i proved you're full of shit about colorado and traffic deaths should we go and fuck you up with this too yeah when you have your guy looking up sources you feel bad about the colorado thing at all what what i never said colorado i said

167:28states that legalize what other ones are there well you didn't bring up the source that i wrote about i all right well i can but the fact that you're still hung up on it please hold please what i got the article i've been looking at it for like the last few minutes on your website yeah yeah there's a couple statements that are really bad just off the just off the gate like this right here if you want to get high you're a moron and getting high will make you more of a moron that's not a news article right hold on please that's commentary hold on but fine after all things like coachella wouldn't exist is this your article yeah i think it's an article on my site oh wait a minute if you want to get high you're well you're a moron yeah you really think you're a moron i think courtney believes that yeah who's courtney she's probably one of the best writers i think i've ever

168:07encountered how dare you not read then but so then the article links to a couple uh like this for instance is one that says it has deadliest year of traffic fatality since 2008 yeah this article doesn't say anything about marijuana not one one thing doesn't mention me weed at once it does say that it could be attributed to lower gas prices people driving more it does people in the state sure etc etc well that's the first off that's not the only thing oh this is important i'm going to defend myself here because you have someone here at the ready and what you do is instead of bringing up information this is what happens with christopher titus right you don't have information that you bring up you have another guy look up a source that you specifically want him to find i didn't ask him to bring that yes you did and he brought up washington post and goes this is what's wrong with your

168:48article taking a joke out of context you didn't have a joke the joke in there about things like coachella wouldn't exist if there weren't okay in that article that's a joke right but to try and go do you think people who smoke potter morons no it's a joke okay let's not do that okay let's not do that and no pots not comparable to alcohol there are tests that determine how much alcohol content is in your bloodstream we can't you do that with weed so it's impossible to handle these incidents in the same way that's okay but there have been tests where they showed people but that would go back to what he said and what you said there have been tests where they've shown people drunk versus on marijuana and the people on marijuana drove far better okay that's true so this is also anecdotal no these are tests it goes back to your point right let's say someone has alcohol are these tests

169:31well i don't i haven't read your test okay so why are you arguing against them no i'm saying i agreed with your point earlier so why are you saying they're anecdotal well it is anecdotal if you're saying some people drive better on marijuana no i'm not saying that i've said there have been tests where they've shown that people drive better on marijuana than alcohol that's not anecdotal my point is if you you're looking you're looking to be really good at this argument no no i'm not you need to settle down you said you wouldn't pile on and you got two people and not piling down yeah it is yeah it is yeah he's not talking actually i have a rule when someone comes on the show when someone comes on the show jared cannot interject congratulations you're not on the show and all he did was pull up some fucking information two people bringing up information me without a laptop no he brought it up

170:10i said no no i'm not gonna stop he didn't even talk about it you said what would be the one thing that you've changed your mind is there a problem when two people are correct and you're incorrect does that bother you i don't agree that you're correct what are you talking about you just pulled up some statistics that show that colorado has less traffic fatalities no i didn't since 2000 no he did you just said you you just said you i will give you my laptop i'll turn my laptop your way and you can you can pull up some shit that shows contrary evidence what is the issue that you would care about the least that you've changed your mind i said probably wouldn't even talk about that's that's a long version of what you said what you said well why was there been more fatalities since marijuana has been legal in those states all the things we've discussed it's not

170:47true why are you so obsessed with the pot because you're not right and it doesn't matter if we've talked about it for four hours in this instance you are incorrect you know you're incorrect in that instance the traffic fatalities have increased in areas where pot have increased we did the same study in michigan where pot was legalized and people were actually uh wait a minute selling more marijuana underage kids i don't care that doesn't have anything to do with traffic fatalities do with it it doesn't have anything to do with traffic fatalities unless you can prove there's more traffic fatalities in underage kids since marijuana has been legal yeah there have been several articles that have made that claim made that assertion let's find written about it let's find them they all come from one article mostly and it's from this these triple a stats and this is

171:22the stats that they said and it's almost almost all the articles you're talking about come from this one article okay okay so it says the percentage of drivers involved in fatal crashes who recently used marijuana more than doubled from eight to 17 percent from 2014 or 2013 to 2014 one in six drivers involved in fatal crashes from 2014 had recently used marijuana which is the most recent data available now do you understand that causation does not equal marijuana is alarming yeah says who that's an opinion that's an opinion president and ceo of triple a foundation yeah he says it's alarming well is that is that a matter of more people smoking marijuana because it's legal or it's a is it a matter of the marijuana causing these accidents is this not an article put out do you know what else is true do you know what else is true that all these people also had alcohol in

172:11their system do you know that well no i don't we don't know that all of them had alcohol in their system it's a giant percentage of people that were involved in these accidents you know this to be true because i've read these studies had alcohol in their system i didn't say that you just said a lot of them rewind the tape maybe i did say all a lot of them well you made a lot of assumptions let's find out it doesn't say anything in the article about alcohol though and for sure they should have tested that and put they should for sure they can't test for by the way i'm talking with two guys who just smoked up a joint just google it makes a point that you're going to have an obvious position that would disagree with this one single article so if i can finish a point you've talked about interruption let me finish the one point that i'm making well you've already been

172:48proven marijuana you've already been proven you can't test for marijuana roadside right can we agree on no you absolutely can you yeah there's new tests okay there's new tests how recent are these tests let's find out let's find out before you do that they didn't test like you said how many of the alcohol how many of the marijuana related fatalities also involved alcohol because it's a massively significant percentage yeah so you can't necessarily say that just because they have these new tests for marijuana especially roadside that's the problem is you can't okay i'll tell you what i'll give you that what are you giving me let's let's say you're correct but here's the thing it doesn't physiologically it doesn't have an effect on motor skills the way alcohol does where it doesn't slow down your response time well i know that we've had we've had several doctors in

173:30the show two of whom had differing opinions on that they don't have to be right they don't have opinions of it do they smoke marijuana themselves do they know what it's like have they studied we're getting into this this whole they studies all the different cbs news caught blatantly distorting cannabis studies says this comes from doubles fatal car crash mini press news mini press news so again we can go into questioning sources all day long if you have someone else bringing up you don't think this is a good source you think maybe it is maybe it is let's say you're right crowder but let's say you're well a lot of it's better we source that to something else i know and you guys are so defensive on one issue and you said hold on what's the issue you don't care i have your sources right here i've looked them up there's people online also sourcing them

174:07they are skewed you're skewing them to make and so the washington post study that you skewed but you're not the washington post you're supposed to be the answer to the washington post i'm not the answer the washington post don't say that someone's evil so i'm evil too well you just said that is that what you're saying that's the argument that you just know i didn't make that argument you just said come on man just made that argument and all of a sudden when someone mentions pot you put on the ideologue hat or your worldview was through the lens of weed no and you get upset with anyone having a different opinion it has nothing to do with weed but you haven't made an argument i haven't made an argument you said you said your fatalities increased we showed you what happened in colorado what have you shown me we showed you the statistics that show that marijuana and traffic violations

174:47they correlate to less accidents may not be causal right you said your argument may not be caused okay so what else is causing the dropped number and why can't you show what what's causing the increase in number what what increase this fake increase from fake you're bringing up fake news it's not real it's not real colorado shows it's not real so where is it real what this comes from a triple a study that was triple a and trustee's equity council triple a is owned by the bilderberg group bro god you don't even know this so now we're gonna go to weed cures cancer and people having meetings with ram's heads you've got one one article that says one thing and one article from colorado that says there's been a decrease in traffic fatalities right you're not willing to recognize that i just said let's give that to you because this entire conversation started with you

175:28saying what issue would you change your mind on no and i said it started pot because this argument started with you saying that it causes more fatalities no no traffic no that's not true that's not true you said which issue do you not care about i said pot and then you said why it causes more traffic fatalities what's your opinion on pot and i said i really don't care if people want to smoke pot i think it's a state issue i honestly don't care i've changed my mind where as a kid i thought it was harmful i don't think it's harmful anymore didn't you say that it causes more traffic fatalities then you said well let's expand on this what issue do you have with pot i said i don't like the dishonesty where people just say it cures cancer it'll end the war on drugs it's it's completely harmless and i have some arguments it's not entirely no it's not entirely harmless well it's not without consequences

176:10well consequences based on what so much leeway there on how have you how have you big consequences started from me saying i probably couldn't care less about this out of all the other issues that we discuss and you lasered in on that and go where do we disagree on this because you're looking for an argument no because it's a huge blind spot no it's not a huge blind spot it's definitely do you think i'm working for the bilderbergs out there i don't have to think that if you say that marijuana is in some way or another a dangerous thing yes i can tell you that it's no no i didn't say a dangerous thing well it's not without consequences what are the consequences okay what is what do you believe marijuana does for example well no i'm not gonna get baited into this because you're gonna you're gonna get me you're trying to force me to say that i don't think pot cures cancer and there's

176:53a big farm no listen smoke pot no that's not i will ask this i'm trying to say what are the consequences of it you come on on my show i would love to and have a discussion about it in real time i think so well last time i was on the show you said you do the show right now you're in front of me right now why do i have to come on your conversation you and i right now we would definitely have a conversation for hours oh that's not good to read sources it's not fair to have two people what's fair just like before you know data should we be in a room with no internet you think if amy and i ganged up on you think you would have done well in that argument come on man because i want to find out how you feel how you think i want to see if you get defensive for some reason you said you think if her and i were together you think you would have done well on that yeah because i want

177:29to see if you get defensive well but why would someone in a conversation why wouldn't you ever fuck with someone you do that right i don't know but you've made it all about the pot issue no that had nothing to do with pot the amy schumer you've gotten into this pot issue because the amy schumer thing is what you just brought up and it's the one area that you're super super you are adorable you're adorable and that's the same thing you're so used to doing this you're not a real comedian no you're adorable you're so used to doing this on an open territory without someone else to back up your argument it's never happened this is not a backup when someone pulls up information let me tell you something one thing that james does is he pulls up evidence to the contrary if i was wrong he would stick it right in my face and we would laugh about it and that's what

178:07he does but i yeah but i don't know that's why you pulled up the triple a thing and i've given it to you what evidence you haven't given me shit i've given no i've given you the argument what i'm fine let's say there's no there's no causation let's say that wasn't backed up well enough let's give you that argument okay what's this jamie and there's also some evidence that medical marijuana laws may contribute to decreasing traffic fatalities this is what a part of the show is me doing this though if we don't do that this is what we always do it's just talking about facts listen you're hope please there are some there are also some evidence that medical that doesn't make any sense there are also some evidence that's not that there's also okay i'm wrong that medical marijuana laws may contribute to decreasing traffic fatalities one study published in the journal of law and

178:51economics in 2013 reviewed traffic fatalities in the 19 states that had passed medical marijuana laws by 2010 and found that legalization is associated with an 8 to 11 percent decrease in traffic fatalities for the year after the laws took effect the researchers from the university of colorado denver and elsewhere also found the decrease is more significant for alcohol related fatalities at 13.2 percent ask a question interesting can ask a question please do why is that study from 2010 considered completely valid to you and the study from aaa in 2014 considered completely invalid because triple a's got a fucking biased interest there you go because there you go there are a big ass company different opinions charge well what are they basing it on what so your argument is this is this is the only valid study because triple a is but this is a study it's a study you ignore it do

179:43you think that's right i think i think it could be right i think it could be right so if they're right if that study's right then you were wrong right if that well if that study's right then you were wrong right i could be wrong you were wrong right when you were just spouting it out so we prove that in colorado you were wrong you didn't know that study is true well you didn't prove you said if that's here's what you do if that's not up again figure out what what caused the colorado and i asked one question and then you get a paragraph you'd like you doing this don't you joe i literally said i'll give it to you you win the argument and you bring up another thing about pot well it's because you don't really you don't really give up you reluctantly give up i said i'll give it to you you're right let's assume i'm wrong you're definitely wrong let's assume i'm wrong

180:22okay so what else would be the problem with marijuana if it wasn't traffic fatalities zero right no not zero what zero but i don't want to spend the entire day talking about pot well come on man we're talking about real issues what would be the other problems if it wasn't for traffic fatalities before you go oh man just loosen up let's talk about life and jujitsu then you get in one thing i didn't say jujitsu i said let's talk you're obsessed i just want to get you away from your left versus right talking points because i'm neither because because because people with convictions right right paradigm bertrand russell i'm a centrist i kind of am joe you bring joe here's the thing and i started off very and i still mean the complimenting things i said but you can't bring people on and call them pussy and dumb fuck and then continue going

181:04back to an issue and with with someone who agrees with you entirely and act as though well someone well now you're defensive well of course i'm defensive well i think that you were spewing a little bit of anti-marijuana propaganda about traffic fatalities and i had to address it i'm not saying you're paying a lot of propaganda that's right i'm paid by i'm paid by big pharma no i'm not thinking you're paid by anybody but i just think you had a point of view so why would i push the propaganda propaganda by definition means i have to be pushing it for someone it's not necessarily that someone is telling you to do it it's just that you had a point of view that you had dug your heels in then it's not propaganda it is it's a wrong opinion it's it's propaganda if you have read it and you are spouting it out but that statistics prove differently well okay then i would say it's

181:45propaganda for someone saying weed cures cancer i'm not saying you're promoting propaganda like someone's asking okay pull that up then we cures cancer find out what not saying cures doesn't matter what beneficial effects no no no that wasn't my claim nothing cures cancer nothing cures cancer and that was what i was talking about i literally will get nothing cures anything i mean things half of your listeners will tweet me saying is there a single drug that cures anything things treat things your immune system kicks in if your immune system fails plenty of drugs that cure okay what what drug cures things polio vaccine done okay polio vaccine doesn't cure things you fuck it prevents you from getting polio the disease is effectively do you understand what you just said you just disproved yourself no i didn't just no the disease is not effectively cured in the person who has

182:30polio we're talking about marijuana curing cancer on people that don't have cancer yet that's not what you're it's not a vaccine for cancer okay what you're saying is marijuana cures cancer with people that have cancer there's not a fucking drug you proved yourself there's not a medicine that proves right that you you can't fucking cure polio with a medicine you get so aggressive on no you're wrong you're wrong right here about polio do you understand how blind side you are right now you have a blind spot i'm pretty sure there's drugs out there that cure some diseases i'm sure there are i've never heard of them well they do you know who they are name one not offhand if i had someone who could bring it up no you don't have to bring it up man you're going to argue for it shouldn't you argue for it i don't think you said you don't think there are

183:13any drugs that cure anyone and i think that's incorrect you're in your immune system has to be in place if you are a fuck if you're like dying and someone gives you some sort of a drug how many drugs are there that cure a nasty disease that's killing you and how many of them have to be also compensated your immune system has to kick in as well there's a bunch of factors it's not like how many i mean there's penicillin that kills some some like venereal diseases and all sorts of different fucking horrible infections yeah but there's not a lot that but it takes your immune system has to be in effect too there's there's a lot of factors so now we're getting to the definition of cure and yeah man because you're talking about fucking polio nothing cures polio bitch and marijuana no one's saying marijuana all the time all the time these are assholes those are the

184:00same people that say you're a nazi those are the same people that say you're a nazi no it's pretty common it's pretty fucking nazi punch nazis for example we had a woman on the show we had a woman on the show a psychiatrist who basically said she said uh people who are uh adult healthy smoke pot probably not a problem she said it is a problem for the developing brain people who are under the age of 25 and she explained probably correct yeah and she explained i believe it's i don't think they they think that the human brain is even fully developed your frontal cortex and she talked about specifically also people who might have mental illnesses whether it's schizophrenia or bipolar most people don't realize that or depression it goes unrecognized and she talked about how for those people marijuana

184:34can act as a trigger mechanism so she said healthy people none of these conditions marijuana is probably relatively benign but for some of these people and most people who might have these conditions are afflicted by them it could be a real problem she's got some very good points but do you know that they've actually are weed cures cancer this dumb bitch should get off the show look at this cannabis has been shown to kill cancer cells in laboratory tests see question six yeah it doesn't cure cancer though well kill cancer cells no one's saying cure cancer beneficial effects on cancer exactly what people say but you can merit compared it to turmeric you compare all these things but look the the point being i think you agree and i agree that as long as it doesn't hurt other people any more than anything else like sugar hurts other people look if you want to make an argument

185:18for uh high insurance rates you want to look at the overall causes of disease in this country and why insurance and health insurance cost so much you would almost immediately go towards simple sugar like simple sugar is a huge problem with people who are obese obesity is a huge issue in this country and it's a major factor when it comes to health care costs right i think it's adorable that you're telling me how to craft arguments and i know that you do this job i'm not saying that but i think it's adorable it's it's it's an easier argument to say that ice cream should be illegal and i think that marijuana should be illegal no i don't and i think tell me why i'm gonna i'm gonna say what i was about to say okay please beforehand because you keep redirecting the conversation and you're turning and for some reason you're turning into something hostile that it really doesn't need to be hostile

186:04it is it might be to you yeah it is you feel weird about it i feel great it is it is when someone comes in to somewhere where they know they disagree and someone two other people the same opinion are gonna do a team-up he doesn't even have an opinion i think that um look at this what you're doing right now joe is like you talk about with people in jiu-jitsu is what i think there are now a hundred scientific studies that say that i think that you think these arguments work cannabis cures cancer i think that you think these arguments work and i think it's like someone going to jiu-jitsu for the first time you've never done it i don't think you've ever actually gotten to a place without someone who can bring up sources for you i don't think you've gotten into an argument uh or done anything with a debate team where people would actually hold you accountable to the arguments that you make

186:37i think why are you saying you don't think that i have if you don't know what conversations i've had i've never seen it so what do you have been with me 24 7 49 years but my point is this i think you would be very surprised right now you're the kung fu guy hitting the the kung fu doll with the spikes and you've convinced yourself that this is an argument that would work if you had other people more qualified than myself to discuss it and you decided to zone in on an argument this is a huge way of you diffusing all these stats that jamie keeps bringing up there's more than a hundred studies exactly proves that cannabis cures cancer exactly do you deny those studies you don't need a jamie my jamie jamie's pulling shit off the internet you asked me specifically about something where i changed my mind okay so you clearly were ready or upset about the pot thing i wasn't ready i

187:18didn't think we're gonna talk about that anymore because i don't really care about it and i think states should be able to legalize it well if you don't care about it you seem fucking really because you asked me three follow-up questions it'd be like me asking you why you endorsed bernie sanders on this show tacitly saying you would vote for him when in the green room with the billiard stuff you said man he's insane with the socialist stuff i don't think it's very genuine what you're doing what i think this is something that appeals to your audience silly no it's not you you started on with traffic fatalities and i thought you were wrong i didn't start on i didn't start on with traffic fatalities you said what issue would you drop and not talk about and this is exactly why right because we talked about that was one of the things that you said was traffic fatalities

187:54wasn't it and there's no productive conversation that comes from it oh sure there is no for people who are listening to this this is extremely productive because they understand how someone with blinders can ignore the evidence sure and figure out some way where they're being wronged intellectually someone will say that oh you should be in some sort of a debate you've never been in a debate you don't know what fucking debates i've been in you know what no they're like steven seagal we're all on television right you don't know you don't know what conversations i've had i'm calling you on your bullshit they do conversations i've had you're saying i've never had a conversation with someone who's prepared and you bully people steven crowder we're not i'm not intellectually not going to bully someone why is this bullying it's because there are two people who hold one opinion ask me on

188:36something that i don't care about follow up three four questions to go into an area where you two are very specifically passionate and i said i don't want to talk about it you don't want to talk about it because you're wrong no i don't want to talk because i don't care because he keeps showing states want to legalize it that's fine but it is a valid issue when people of colorado are looking at this now and there are people in colorado who might vote differently on the marijuana issue because of how it's perceived or because of the information at hand and i believe that people in colorado should be able to vote they voted for pot but if they want to vote the other way in states they have the right to do that who's arguing against that well that was my point when we were talking about marijuana my point was when i worked at fox we were thrust onto panels where you had to

189:14talk about this because it was going on in colorado i can't believe you called me a bully that's such a left-wing tactic you are how dare you you are how dare you how dare is how's it a bully you are but you do that no no no no no no facts you use all this i'll use these absolutes and call someone and then say well i'm just joking i'm just joking what absolutes you said okay let me give you one that i can pull from my memory please do all of them were on alcohol that did fuck that up yeah and you've done it several times but we did we're supposed to pull up statistics discussion i wouldn't be doing that i wouldn't i know there's a large number there's a large number this is narconon or one of those companies one of those there's there was one that was unlikely source yeah well you don't tell me you have to leave now my flight turns around well you're gonna miss your flight no matter what now

189:58you're fucked we're gonna be fine dude no i'm not gonna be fine i'm not gonna make my flight back yeah you're gonna be fine you live in america it could be in ethiopia right now huddling in a fucking hut you know trying to protect yourself from a some rabid animal yeah don't be scared we're gonna be fine you got a little defensive i thought we're friends no you didn't i said it did that's why i wanted to have you on here listen listen i thought we're gonna have some fun we were having fun and then toward the end of the conversation you asked me what issue do you not care about i don't really care about the pot issue which i thought i cared about when i was 21 you said you wouldn't defend issues when you were from when you were seven seven years ago right all of your cells ever when i was 21 i was probably a lot harsher on pot than i am

190:41today i thought it was worse i grew up around it i had negative experiences then i realized that was anecdotal i don't really care much anymore about it i think states should be able to do what they want to do then three four five follow-up questions so we could get to a point into this debate where the show has now gone on two three hours long and i've missed my flight well what you were trying to say was that people that are pro marijuana ignore the negative consequence of marijuana and i asked you what those were right and you said traffic fatalities one of them and then we tried to find out if that's true and we found out it's not we didn't find out that it's not true you made an argument that it's not true but we didn't we didn't definitively find out that it's not true a lot of statistics well you just it's very easy to do that when you ignore opposing statistics no let's find the

191:22opposing claims about them what's let's have jamie find my flight i've missed my flight i don't have another hour to get into the pot you definitely have plenty of time man you're not gonna get your flight you got a lot of time this is this is an interesting argument right it's an interesting argument because it shows what happens when people not necessarily disagree but getting into a position where one person wants to have the upper hand you keep jockeying back and forth we're trying to figure out who's gonna wind up on the top of the heap no there's no jockeying back and forth not at all you're the one jockeying back and forth oh sweetie you know that's not true come on that's a bully thing honey come on that's a bully thing if that's a bully thing that's a real problem in this country pussy come on fuck that money that might be dumb fuck might be bullying

192:05yeah sweetie is what you've done come on i did it as a joke because i thought we're friends you don't think we're we talk every now and then i do i like you i like you too but i you don't think we're friends you brought me a pipe you gave me a pipe i did give you a pipe you've been on my podcast twice i know how dare you probably probably not invited back you're a goddamn bully i'll invite you back you serious here's the truth are you upset more than me what's more upset when you say you're defensive and you have somebody else to bring up sources that's let's be let's be really here i'll look up anything you want me to no i don't want you to look up anything you want me to jamie will be let me tell you something if jamie found something that shows me i'm wrong and he does all the time he pulls it up well not gay jared know if it is a standing pot on our show we do it differently

192:44and that's why i invited you on the show how do you do it differently we did it differently okay if chris or titus comes in the show if sally cone comes in the show if you come on the show and you say i want to talk about pot in the show if you say that and you say i disagree with you i say okay not gay jared not a word and you don't bring up any sources this is going to be well this is the difference between you and me i'd let him talk i'd be like you think i would ask jared talks all the time but i don't think it's fair why not i would talk to him too i don't think i don't think two on one in an argument is fair it's not two on one yeah it is you know it's not and if he disagrees with me and you disagree with me together we can go back and forth all together i don't care i don't mind if there's three people get another friend that hates pot

193:22bring it in i don't hate pot well i mean just again i'm saying like find someone who does what absolutes no another friend not you another friend who hates pot i said mischaracterizations and absolutes there i don't hate pot i'm not saying you do i'm saying get a friend who hates pot bring him in as well get another friend who hates pot get another friend what does it mean get another friend who also hates pot another have jamie look up another i should have used the word also no because the implication there is another meaning you hate pot no i don't if i said joe get another person who endorsed bernie sanders and then had an egg on his face i think it would imply that you did arguments i think i gave you the argument and you continued for another hour joe you didn't really you gave it to me with a caveat and that caveat is that

194:02i'm a bully and that jamie pulls up statistics that only benefit you are on that on that argument you are you are you are how am i how is it a bully when two people are talking how's it bull it's not two people talking though you don't have conversation with two people talking you have a fail safe you have other people who agree with you you have an audience who agrees with you i'm on your program talking to my audience man just two two people talking let me be clear okay i don't hate pot okay i couldn't care less if you want to smoke pot if states want to legalize pot okay i couldn't care less about that now okay pot is not a substance without consequence that's all and some of those consequences can be damage to developing brain when they're 25 we had a psychiatrist on talk about it and people called her a dumb bitch who uh you know it doesn't weed cures cancer um there have been

194:50statistics and reports on fatalities increasing regarding marijuana you may not accept them and maybe you're right on those sources maybe your sources are more valid than my sources i'll grant you that so my issue is when people are dishonest and only present one side of the issue i just presented several sides and on my show on a regular basis listen if you want to smoke pot i couldn't care less go ahead and smoke pot and i think that the people who have tried to make you think you know reefer madness and wacky tobacco i think that's overblown but i also think there are some issues that people who simply want to justify it sometimes a habit which could be negative to some people not all um overlook completely one side of the issue and there is an entire side of the medical community who disagrees with you and i don't know that i agree with them or disagree with them yet wait a

195:36minute the medical community there is entire side to the medical community who would disagree with your position and i don't know that i that that you think marijuana is um a benign substance i don't think it's benign to developing brains we already discussed that okay good example developing brains well i don't think alcohol is as well i think a lot of i think a lot of i would agree i think a lot of kids uh who listen to shine i know you're not responsible it's like you should be 18 years 18 in canada you should be 16 years old to drive a car you're not telling kids to go and smoke up but i think a lot of people who are listening you have many young listeners who are in that developmental say certainly under the age of 25 who only hear the positive virtues extolled marijuana sometimes they're not entirely honest sometimes they're not entirely accurate i should

196:21say i don't think that's necessarily a good thing necessarily accurate how so uh like what positive things are not necessarily talked about how harmful marijuana could be to the developing brain under 25 yeah we have many times have you in a way that you've conceded that's valid no we've said i don't think you should do anything when you i don't think like any 15 year old should do anything to their brain because we don't know what the fuck happens to your brain when you give a kid alcohol i did it i'm sure you probably did it too when was when did you drink first how old were you probably 15 well first beer i think i was 14 the first time i got drunk with my friends i mean it's terrible it's not good for you it's not smart it's definitely not smart and i know and you know and i'm sure we all know someone who did get completely overindulgent in marijuana and became one of those wake and bake

197:06people that ruined their life and i think people can do that with almost any substance anything that's psychoactive at least i think people do that with cigarettes where they they need that fucking cigarette more than they need anything i think a lot of aa people do that with cigarettes and alcohol they replace their weird addiction to alcohol to something that's not as bad for them i think there's a lot of things for the developing mind particularly for the developing mind that we have available to us all the time that are really dangerous you know i had henry rollins on here we was talking about when he was a little kid he was like five year old they put him on ritalin yeah the time he was five i think that's fucking horrible i think psych meds for little kids that don't necessarily need them but maybe they're just a little too energetic i think all that shit's horrible so whether

197:50it's marijuana or alcohol or quaaludes or whatever you want to give a 15 year old kid that's got a developing mind i think there's massive consequences and i don't think you can really calculate those consequences that's my position i i think you can calculate those consequences well i think you can but i mean you would have to fuck up a lot of kids in order to really prove the statistical viability of what damage is being done to kids and how much would cause the damage are you talking about ritalin now i'm talking about quaaludes alcohol marijuana heroin meth in 2017 wow quaaludes oxys let's go with oxycontins i'm just talking about downers i'm talking about anything where it's a depressant or a stimulant there's a significant amount of effects across the board bituate by the way i think it's just classified as narcotic it's not like a downer like a like a benzodiazepine or something or aren't

198:37opiates considered a downer i don't think they're officially considered barbiturates well they're i think they're is it a depressant alcohol is a depressant right alcohol is a central nervous system depressant right um but i know something like like a quaalude or um i actually knew a power lifter where the only drug he could it was a prescription don't remember this it's a date rape drug was a prescribed drug uh a guy named chad i'm one of the date rape drugs well whatever the most common date rape drug i don't know if it's i don't know if it's actually rufalin or whatever it's called um but most commonly used or the most effective date rape drug i know what you're thinking about um but i can't it's not coming to me i know the drug but it's it's a weird one where it helps bodybuilders sleep well this guy was a power lifter yeah yeah power lifters do it too

199:18because it actually infers more develop more growth well not just growth hormone but uh recovery time because they have like deep sleep um fuck what is it called but you know what i'm talking about is it used as a date rape drug or hypnol is that's not no not not that's roofies that's roofies there's another thing i know what you're talking about but it's used as a date rape drug yes and there was a guy who actually that was the only thing he could sleep on and then it became so they don't prescribe it anymore um he had insomnia he had like a he had like an 1100 squat was close not quite world record but close to it and uh lived out in reno nevada and uh that was the only way he could sleep when he wasn't able to get it anymore his lifts did you find it fell progestrics no no god damn it it's got like a real common name i'll text my buddy because he had

200:03an overdose of it god but he was like 18 oh god hold on a second can you talk please for a moment while i pull this up you want me to talk i don't know what you want to talk about thank you that's it i'm pissed i'm missing my foot i have a show to do tomorrow and where are you going i have to go back i have a show tomorrow a tv show or radio or your show to do so there's no way we're going to get it done us making up is going to be so good for your show and my show too no it's not the entire commentary from this is going to be oh my god what a moron he thinks so weed doesn't cure cancer oh man we're gonna be fine oh i guarantee it i guarantee it yeah but don't be don't worry about it we're going to be we're going to get through this and get through it in a way that it makes sense look i i i definitely get weird with these conversations and i assume

200:46everybody can get you know fake hostile with me so if i call it come on bitch i talk to you like that i don't mean it in a negative i do it like i would do it if you were brian callen and he would start laughing along yeah but you live in michigan you get a little sensitive you're right when you go that's adorable let's let's not that is adorable hold on a second when you say that that's not meant to and we were joking about other topics but on that you lasered in got serious you're wrong let's stay on this pound it in that's that's just it's it's it's i don't understand the purpose to it have some fun so you're so that's fun it's a little bit of fun so you like doing that you like having you like having someone disagreeing with them when having going someone to town get a little silly like i think

201:28you might have got a little silly i like to have a little fun got a little silly did i i did i bring up the pond issue i said it's the issue i care about the least come on let's get away from that we were we're free we're out of the woods we're back on the road we're doing good you just want to grab the wheel and go fucking crazy again turn towards the trees don't do it resist nitro hibiscus cold brew tea that's tea yeah i had a hibiscus beer recently the most disgusting they've ever had in my life and i love hibiscus tea just does not work for beer i bet if you were wearing birkenstocks and you had if you had white dreadlocks you would have thought this is amazing have you seen that kombucha beer beer i've had kombucha no no kombucha beer so that's like a kombucha that's like super strong right usually i don't know how they do it because the alcohol with the active culture in kombucha

202:16should figuratively right there shouldn't be alcohol shouldn't it figuratively eat it as sugar because of the way kombucha ferments no not necessarily because gt's kombucha that you buy at whole foods you have to actually have an id to buy it because it's more than one half of one percent alcohol by by volume so you have to show your id and be over 21 in order to buy kombucha right now that you say that i think i might have tried kombucha beer once called can i say the name or is it yeah it's called good vibrations and there's one that's okay and one that literally tastes like vomit there's like a ginger one and there's like a bit and one of them i don't the problem is i don't remember which one so it's rolling the dice every time you have it see some people i just tell them about kombucha about the positive benefits of probiotics and like you should

202:57try it and you should eat kimchi and you should eat i was a sauerkraut kefir's great i had my own culture did you have you ever had a have you ever done kefir yourself no but i did make kombucha myself i've done that before kefir is easier really yeah it looks like it looks like a slimy kind of like a sea brain or cauliflower is it like a grain originally technically it's a grain but it's really just an active culture of bacteria and yeast so literally as opposed to yogurt with a straining or kombucha which you literally just put it in a jar put it in on a countertop for a day and strain it and after i think about four or five batches it's doubled and then it quadruples it's like an investment account and my wife killed it while i was on the road actually doing stand-up i was i had a few shows and i came back and you have to replace it every day otherwise there's no sugar

203:40to feed it i came back and it looked like a snot rag and it was so that was the end of it now i just buy it at the store kombucha is not really a fungus but it's somehow or another like a cousin of a fungus and people think it's a fungus but it's a life form and when you get it like i had it at one point in time was like the size of a laptop and i had this like big salad bowl and i was growing kombucha in my refrigerator in a salad bowl and the top the whole top of the salad bowl was this uh rubbery sort of life form it's that like disc yeah pancake but it would get big it would get really big and then what i would do is i would drain it into a pitcher and i would put the pitcher into the refrigerator and then i would put more of the sugar water and i forget what all the ingredients were but i know sugar was a part of it because the culture had to eat sugar in order to stay uh alive and then

204:27it would ferment and the fermentation was a part of it and then you would you know and you get like some sort of probiotic benefit from it that's a lot harder than kefir because kefir you just pour the milk and the lactose is the sugar and that's it and it's done what's actually good about it too um if you read the studies on it like two tablespoons of kefir like actual homemade kefir is tens of billions uh you know of microorganisms yeah as opposed to yogurt super good for you and it's higher in protein because if you do the math so you can still basically at that point you're left without the lactose so you're left with really just the fat and the protein yeah and all the b vitamins so it's like it's like they i read an article once i cannot corroborate this but they said that goat's milk whole goat's milk kefir if you could only have one food would be the most complete

205:14food you could have wow but what about all your vitamins that you would get like phytonutrients it's not ideal it's not ideal if you'd only do one because you get the b vitamins you get vitamin d get vitamin k yeah um and that's whatever they said if you could only have one and then there was an article said if you could only have two it'd be like that and egg yolks have you ever fucked with like some of those pharmaceutical grade um probiotics like what was ronda patrick was talking about those once on the podcast she was talking about some stuff you have to refrigerate it you buy it like super oh yeah i have yeah i have have you well you know my friend my producer not gay jared had ulcerative colitis so he has no cold oh jesus christ so he's going to our office bathroom four or five times a day oh the poor guy um and i had a problem one time where i just i was so stressed you

206:00have all these nerve endings where my stomach just i felt like it's on an ulcerative colitis was getting tested for it and uh just turned out it was stress and uh they put me on these probiotics and it didn't really work um and then when i did the kefir that actually helped a lot more wouldn't it be ironic if marijuana was really the cure that you needed the entire time i bet you probably would have helped because it would have eased the anxiety i bet you would have it might have but it also might have made you more anxious because it makes people that's one thing you want to talk about the here's the negative i'll give you one sign of the negative that people ignore is the paranoia that marijuana gives you it 100 gives you paranoia i have had some friends that were deep deep potheads that went fucking cold turkey and don't want to go back it's like a monster that's in their closet

206:43that's waiting waiting to get them when they go to pick out their socks there's there's no doubt about it it has this one effect on some people particularly if you take too much of it or if your life is getting away from you you know if it's like slipping away from you and then you start waking bacon and then you just don't ever deal with all your issues so they compound and fucking whirlwind i was told that you of bullshit but my shrink you probably have you done this gene site testing no what's that really haven't done it i'm surprised so um it's mainly used in psychiatry now but they're saying it's gonna have all kinds of future with you know determining cancer and things like that and they actually use it to look for depression bipolar adhd and they can look at your genes now i'm not a doctor so i'm gonna butcher this but basically for me um they can look at

207:29your dopamine and this is this is how your genetics work can they tell if you're gay i i don't know if they can tell if you're gay but maybe they'll find it at some point i already have accepted it i actually have a video called do you choose to be gay and my answer is definitively no what if it was you well i'm again because i don't choose a pretty much new when i tuned into the oc when i was a kid and i was looking at misha barton and rachel bilson and the people who wanted to screw adam brody i think that's when you realize you're gay um if it were me then i'd be gay okay what does that matter just question would you be uncomfortable if i were gay no i've had milo on the show because i've complimented you quite a bit thank you you could look back and think well maybe he's gay maybe it ulterior motives i don't think i would think that um but with dopamine for with me like we have a

208:11relative in the family who actually um well i should say who has an issue and so they looked at genes that create serotonin and then okay you have a long most people have a long gene and a short gene and you have two short genes and with me that's the case with dopamine so like a lot of people who would maybe typically be addicts or people with adhd or people who um for me i didn't realize this until i was a lot older look this is i'm going to totally expose myself as vulnerable to all the angry potheads after the argument um i didn't realize until i was older i didn't actually feel uh the same feelings of joy or like pleasure that other people do so dopamine right you know how that works it's your reward center like you do something good bing and uh i was a b student in high school i never opened a textbook uh because if i completed something i did a project that was it most people like i did a

208:53project i was like okay i did a project what's the next thing i never really felt that reward center in the brain and um they did this gene site testing and they found that basically have the worst genetic pattern it's not entirely accurate but it's actually increased the efficacy of antidepressants from like a one in uh a one in two to like a two in three wow something like that um because they can look and and look at your genetics more effectively and so no i'm sorry to interrupt but are you have you taken antidepressants uh i've taken adhd medication that's not antidepressants no it's not antidepressants but it's easy to activity disorder is a completely different situation well it's but it's also uh basically a dopamine shortage adhd is wow that's why stimulants you know on people who actually have adhd don't rev them up actually just zone them in you know some kid takes adderall

209:42who's studying and they feel like wired and uh before the genetic testing that's how they often tested for it as well how do you react to this drug and if you feel wired like you know me with all this i had 600 milligrams of caffeine right um then you probably don't have adhd what kind of shit did they put you on when they put you on adhd medication you know the basic like adderall stuff like that oh so they put you on adderall i've yeah i'm taking it and i don't i don't take it every day because i never want to be dependent on it how often do you take it uh oh i don't know a couple times a week yeah probably yeah do you just take it when you feel it down like how do you take it it is amazing i will tell you this i never realized um until i took it and this is not i'm not advocating because i think it's way over prescribed i think you're right i think most kids who are i don't think

210:23you should put kids on it i think you're right too um and i think that most kids or most people who take it don't need it but i also think that there are people with real conditions out there like you that can benefit from it well you have a genetic well you can prove it well because for the longest time my wife will hear this and she'll i uh um denied it through and through i thought no you know there's this is just this is bullshit the adhd is just to get kids whacked out on ritalin and uh i you know i had people i would deal with like counseling or stuff and i was like i would get stress i had stress management issues and uh they're like you know you thought about adhd i'm like no no i don't believe it and then um i was given a book on adhd and i never i've never finished reading it i read like three pages and moved on to something else and uh they said okay um let's do this test

211:08this whole kind of questionnaire deal and it was pretty extensive you know short of actually doing a cat scan it's okay you test like in the top 99th percentile and we did the gene site testing i think it's called gene site and um it was it was pretty remarkable and i will say that uh i won't get into exactly what it is that i've done or what medications i've taken but it was certainly life-changing as far as i didn't know what normal people felt like wow that's really fascinating adhd is a fascinating form of a sort of a mild mental disorder that's extremely frequent i don't think it's as frequent as a lot of people think though i would give you like i think it's over prescribed i really do i really do because whenever i say it you know people go oh i too i'm major add i go no no it's not the same thing right that's the thing that people like to say to discompensate for them being a

211:54douchebag asperger's i'm sorry dhd no you're a dick i'm on the spectrum yeah yeah exactly i'm on the autistic spectrum um so but it is i came into it kicking and screaming and uh wow i mean i never did anything in school i just did the bare minimum so boring so boring and um then when you know they started doing actual like you know test you know iq testing and stuff and we found like well listen medication doesn't make you smarter see i have my own theories about this whole thing that they do when they take kids and they make them all sit in the same school in the same class and listen to the same subject right i don't think there's anything in life that mirrors that and i think experiences in life vary radically and i think that if you looked at nature and the great spectrum of survivors and you know winners and losers and how genes get expressed and how evolution takes place

212:47in nature yeah there's all sorts of different kinds of animals why wouldn't we assume there's all sorts of different kinds of people whenever you force all people to sit down and do the same thing you're gonna have aberrations you're gonna have people that don't like obviously you found something with your show and with public speaking that you you excel at like you found this thing like you this ranting thing that you could do you could just go on a hundred words a second about all these different things like you found this thing where whatever way your brain works yeah it works perfectly for that it's the same thing with a stand-up comedian it's same thing with a musician an author there's a lot of people that daydream all the time like oh you're a fucking loser no right this guy's writing books in his fucking head just give him a goddamn laptop and he's gonna make a

213:32million bucks yeah you know what i mean it's like well i mean and the truth is people they want to you probably talked about this with christine off summers actually there are people who have a lot of those kind of interactions that you talked about in a classroom on a daily basis they're called women they sit down and talk think about women they get together with a book group whatever it is they literally sit down and listen and they'll listen to someone and that's it and they'll sit because they're very auditory that's the way they learned the public education system in the united states was designed for girls from the ground up and you put boys into a world where they don't do well they do not thrive in that atmosphere but girls do and that's why girls have much higher grades in high school going into college and then when boys can study at their own pace they do better

214:10on the sats um there's actually a great book called uh wild at heart i think by john eldridge that talks about that and this is a long time ago talking about then rather we know boys learn better with their hands think about it right it's considered a masculine gym shop or not just masculine things but physical science where you're working in a laboratory those are subjects where boys actually tend to do better than girls often in high school or they rate it as something they like instead of changing the way we do male education we try and change little boys and that's a real that's a real problem and uh i think that's a big reason not because someone was bullied because someone used the word fag i think you probably have a lot of incidents of depression in young boys in particular because you're putting them in an atmosphere where they can't possibly succeed yeah well i think both

214:51are problematic but i think the square peg round hole issue has been there for the beginning of school in the first place i mean i i don't mean to be like a proponent of homeschooling but really every i mean once you have kids i think you kind of realize that god damn every kid out of the box is a totally different thing they're just different yeah we're gonna homeschool because my wife she went to montessori school and she went to uh you know i don't know if it was a public high school or private high school um but she's she's basically she's a genius she's very very smart but she did not do well in a normal school at all at all do you think you could find a school that maybe is more flexible or because the thing about montessori school socializing is critical for kids and socializing during the day where the kids they learn about each other you know they learn about

215:37interactions and you can talk to them too they come home you know uh debbie said something mean to me what did she say yeah you know i mean i think that's important i i can tell you kind of a tale of two homeschooled kids i have i won't give any names here because i have they'll know who they are okay family they have uh homeschooled kids very weird um just stare at their screen all day i have another uh family friends who were homeschooled their kids they're the best kid you could possibly have an adult dinner table because they put the kids in jujitsu i think one of them does tennis they put kids in all kinds of social activities they travel with the kids they take them to europe and then whenever they have adult get-togethers where it's appropriate for kids to be they still have adult night and date night um kids can be there and they'll speak when asked to speak they don't interrupt

216:22they're able to interact with adults they're probably the most well-adjusted kids i've ever seen and then i have seen the weird creepy homeschooled kids where you do your class on your ipad and then afterwards you get to you know play video games or whatever it is um so it really does come down to the parents but i do think that a parent who knows how to homeschool a kid i think that's going to be a especially if the mom is at home with the kids you know um i think it's a huge leg up well there's obviously so many variables as far as the intellect of the parents and what their thought process is behind homeschooling their kid and what their experience level is and how much thought they put into it and where where they're coming from emotionally psychologically intellectually yeah there's a lot of variables i mean the idea

217:04homeschooling is bad or homeschooling is good i have friends that have homeschooled three of their kids they have four kids they homeschooled three of them the kids are fine yeah they're fine they put a lot of work into it they spend a lot of time with their kids they took their kids all over the world they took their kids traveling all through europe yeah you know they just decided at some point in time and it wasn't always homeschool they had done some public school they had done some private school and then they got to a point they were like look like what are we what are we doing here like we're trying to you know the kids got older into their like pre-teens and then their teens and then they came to this conclusion like what what they're coming back from high school with and from middle school with is not what i want them to be exposed with i want to rather i want to be exposed to

217:47the classics i want them to be exposed to life and like just looking at human beings in a way that's like open-minded and traveling and seeing things and so instead of like necessarily just having them take spanish they lived in spain for a little while they went to spain and lived there so they think of that interesting shit crazy asian you were talking about and tucker carlson she's a middle school teacher yeah think of the enclaves of crazy places where these social justice warriors go and often they go into teaching because it's their way to get power of these little kids and here's the thing that was really we wrote about that on the website and what i wrote about that was that interview yeah what i wrote about that was this is a horrible interview because she's okay with violence in berkeley but what really disturbs me is every other professor out there who isn't a national story

218:29let's say she didn't get caught on camera hitting a guy with a stick right but some kid stands up who's a conservative in middle school i was that way where i would argue with a teacher um and just says well i think you're wrong and she kicks that kid out of class and just says that kid's being disruptive and or if that let's say that teacher is the principal gets the kid expelled from school these people have these little enclaves of power these positions of authority and parents kind of have to trust the teacher so you see that it's a national story she's exposed but what about all the teachers who aren't i had a teacher uh complain to my parents and talk about how disrespectful i was and what a horrible person i was because i think in the ninth grade i actually argued i was like i actually don't

219:11think we should give the land back to the native americans when she was teaching i'm with the teacher fuck you yeah but i made an argument and she but she said what was your argument what did you say um well i was i was a smart ass so this was me as you know as a 14 year old and i said um the fact that i remember who she i won't use her name i said the fact that you're wearing levi's and because you have a sore throat you're speaking through an electronic speaker when you just drove here in a toyota yaris and you're like electric electrically powered school uh in a union tells me you're glad that we settled here and she just she didn't answer she didn't argue she sent me out of class and i remember the next morning i thought it was kind of i didn't really think my dad was furious because he got a

219:53call from someone saying i was disrupting class or she asked students was your dad mad at the teacher no he's mad at me why was he mad at you because he didn't get the full story he just you know he just hears stevens being immensely disrespectful right talking back in class he didn't hear the she asked for an opinion this was mre moral religious education was a class we had to take in moral religious education yep so there's guilt for the first nation people up in canada is that what it is this just specific professor and a matter of fact i learned what right wing was because i remember at one point she said that's so right wing that's so right and i didn't know what it was i was 14 i had said something and i said dad what does right wing mean he says well and he kind of explained to me the political spectrum i said okay i guess i am right wing i was in i was in alberta and i was with

220:38some friends who live up there and we were fishing and uh we were fishing right next to these uh first nation people which are their native americans right and uh they have a limit of walleye that you can take you can only take one walleye per day right if you're a regular person but if you're a first nations person you could just yeah pull in as many as you want and uh and and i was like how does that work and they go oh it's way crazier than that they can go out at night with spotlights and shine them on moose and gun them down from trucks right because then it frees them yeah the spotlight yeah they don't know what it is they stand still they try to figure out what the what's going on moose don't see spotlights right ever in the real world sorry so when they see when they freeze then they shoot them with guns from trucks and i was like what so they're allowed to poach well it's not

221:28poaching they can do whatever they want i go well how many are they allowed to kill as many as they want so they can kill all the moose they can kill all the moose whoa yeah i was like what that is that seems that seems odd you know who makes a great argument in the native american case is actually have you read chael sunnen's book no it's very interesting and he talks about this like michael medved and dennis prager have talked about this but i was surprised as to how cogent chael's arguments were he's a very smart guy well he's a very smart guy um and then he always kind of play he plays it down or plays it up when it's convenient but if you read his book he talks about he says it's just a numbers game the reason that we were able to colonize here is entirely because of native americans they were being he wrote about it in a way i'm butchering it but he said like when we came

222:08for example like let's talk about the mayans he goes they had literally uh pyramids or aztec whatever they had buildings entirely full of gold he goes now how do you think they procured said gold do you think that they maybe went to other tribes or other members and said you are going to bring us this coal gold or b die and so what happened was thousands upon thousands tens of thousands maybe hundreds of thousands said when the conquistadors came who would never have had enough to take over that that area of the world said we're going to take our chances with the red guys with the beards and the metal helmets because they've been treated so poorly for so long and the same thing if you look at the algonquins and the iroquois and quebec those were the tribes that we had and the kind of the the packs that they would have and listen they screwed them don't get me wrong they really

222:51screwed them with the fire water thing and they pulled the rug out from under them i'm not defending it but the idea that we came in and just conquered these people know there were a lot of people who were mistreated because this horse culture that they did first off they hadn't domesticated horses they didn't even use the wheel and uh so a lot of the things that were taught are not true and were taught that they were peaceful no they weren't peaceful that's why all of a sudden these new people who came in with sticks that go boom had thousands of native americans at their disposal who were willing to die with them because they were tired of being treated that way and i made some argument to maybe that effect got in trouble got sent home well it's a complicated issue that spans hundreds of years but

223:29there was certainly inter-tribal warfare and the word that sue used they don't use the word sue they use the word lakota they call themselves lakota people sue is a word for enemy that's what it means so like that's what other native american cultures would call them they would call them the enemy because they were killing each other the nez purse and the apaches they would go to war with each other neighboring tribes it was constant it's just when the europeans came they were so overwhelming that we feel bad for what they did but you know what killed more native americans than anything our diseases yeah our dirty dirty bugs yeah we came over here and coughed on them and they all fucking died well that's another thing too right that we killed them deliberately with smallpox blankets that's not true that's not true we didn't we didn't even understand we didn't have germ theory

224:10they didn't understand they didn't they didn't understand that scabs if you like take like the idea was you took scabs from people with fucking diseases and you put them on blankets and you gave them native americans walk out rubbing your hands no that's good a big thing was horses yeah they hadn't domesticated horses and a lot of animals so think about that you've never come in contact with these animals they're in the wilds and all of a sudden these people are coming off effectively with a boat that's a giant farm and they're bringing these animals in that you've never had contact with before all kinds of diseases oh sure well that's the thing that people a lot of people who don't understand where diseases come from a giant percentage of them come from our livestock right that's why you have swine flu and avian viruses and all these different things yeah SARS in the toronto airport

224:52only canada SARS yeah we brought back SARS you were the only ones who had SARS what was SARS called what did it stand for i don't remember i just knew SARS i knew all the asians were wearing those masks at the toronto airport i remember SARS yeah that one well about ebola was just a year ago everybody's fucking we're gonna die ebola that fucking chick from new jersey that bitch she's she left the hospital right that was a big deal so much flack from conservatives too because i was like listen i don't like barack obama as a president but you can't blame ebola on the guy you're like oh fuck you it's an african disease he's from kenya i know you know and that's one of those things where i know i'm seen as an ideologue but it's something like we get so much flack for criticizing donald trump for example on on some trade policies we're like i just think this is bad what's the big thing that

225:39you've been criticized about trump for that i've been criticized about for your show just for criticizing him at all anything and you're toe the line yeah people get real well because they're versus them bro well because you know they're used to like you've had people on the show you've even mentioned on this program people who are their only their only raison d'etre right is being a is being a provocateur to offend and there's there's a purpose to that there's but if just defending people as the end goal and i really don't think that's what we do if people actually watch the show i mean people actually watch the show every day an hour of content most of it is really pretty reasonable they see the highlight reel of me dressing as a tranny interviewing wendy davis right right that's from thousands and thousands of hours of the program um so we criticize him all the

226:20time but you know less and less because every time he does something stupid the left does something so bad so where it's like calling him literally hitler like that woman who was a school teacher who's talking about well or jim jeffries really bothered me about that woman who's a school teacher was she was talking about that just just labeling they're all fascists and you have to stop fascists and then when he described when he asked her what is a fascist she gave like this shitbag definition of what a fascist is it only suited her needs yeah let's pull up the actual literal definition of fascist young jamie what is the literal definition of fascist as i interpret it it is i did a video oh i did a video on this and here's what's so funny if i'm not mistaken google's definition brings up fascism and mentions right wing but if you bring up communism or socialism maybe it's authoritarianism

227:10something that's very clearly left wing they don't actually mention left wing okay an advocate or follower of the political philosophy or system of fascism he went to spain to fight against the fascists to extreme right winger yes extreme right winger rightist or a military coup throughout the old fascist regime synonymous authoritarian totalitarian dictatorial see this is where it gets weird because undemocratic illiberal now type in communism but authority but hold on a second authoritarian yeah and totalitarian like this when you talk about extreme left-wing ideologues you are talking about authoritarians and you're talking about totalitarians and you're also talking about people that would advocate violence against anyone who does not fit their mold of how a person should think or behave and what they do is they call them a fascist or they're calling them a nazi and that lets

228:08them alleviate themselves of any guilt of being a violent person against these people that's what happened at berkeley and that's why this woman felt no irony about being on television saying that milo is a homophobe when he's a gay guy well and she was also talking about justifying beating up people who weren't milo jimmy could you hit authoritarian real quick uh yeah okay favoring or enforcing strict obedience or authority especially uh especially that of the government of the expense of personal freedom now do me a favor type in communism and i want you to see the google so it just said right-wing extremism right with fascism which is not a right-wing ideology at all communism do we all agree as an inherently left-wing ideology yeah well a political theory derived from karl marx well there's a lot of like i had jordan peterson on the podcast he really talked about how

228:54it's like progressives who are sensitive and kind people graduate gravitate towards marxism in a lot of ways because the initial draw seems appealing advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid for according to their ability needs so here's the point and i wrote about this i think we did a video on this fascism which is not inherently right-wing at all no it's not they write right-wing extreme right-wing illiberal communism which inherently has to be left-wing it is the definition of the political spectrum of left-wing would be communism and then capitalism and then in between can be authoritarianism and fascism depending on the regime no mention of left-wing with communism because i know there's a this is google they know there's a negative connotation it's the first thing that

229:48comes up but fascism authoritarianism they immediately try to attribute to the right that's what people are fighting back again when they talk about media and fake news and the constant bias you see it there with google that's not fair right do you think there's a problem with also defining things in terms of a word like marxism or like communism like let's just talk about like what are you trying to do like what are what are you actually trying to appeal to right when you're saying that you can't have someone speak at your university if they say things that you don't agree with like do you remember the story about the university of toronto really famous story guy who is an author they completely misrepresented what his book was about they were saying he's pro-rape culture and these feminists shut it down they pulled fire alarms the famous red-haired lady who's fucking screaming at

230:32people on youtube videos i remember her name uh melissa click i don't know what's a click no no no that's the one from the university of missouri oh i'm talking about the one from toronto who is like like she's kind of funny in a way because she was like shut up fuck face i'm talking she's screaming at those men yeah the remember that yeah like blood red hair with the glasses i mean that was that was this crazy moment in time where this guy had scheduled an appearance to speak about his book yeah and someone had misrepresented his book decided what his book was actually all about and decided that they were going to have a campaign to make sure this guy couldn't talk yeah so people would show up and they would try to just go to listen to this guy talk and women were screaming in their face you fucking rapist you piece of shit yeah the guy's like i want to hear the guy talk can i hear the guy

231:21talk no they wouldn't let people i mean that is fascism well yeah isn't it well it happened too with ann coulter in toronto i remember and whether you agree with her or not she deserves it i disagree with her on a lot i mean that but um she was i remember she was asking me like what and i said well you don't understand freedom of speech doesn't really exist in canada as a matter of fact it doesn't exist outside of the united states it really doesn't exist in canada i mean they have some weird rules it doesn't exist in europe um and when i told her that she couldn't and then actually someone went on news on the news and said uh well what ann coulter needs to understand is that america has this idea of free speech and rugged individualism and all speech is protected but that's not the case in canada

231:56and this was the representative they trotted out where she basically said freedom of speech does not exist in canada and so you can read the youtube comments where every time i see freedom of speech doesn't exist in canada thousands of people that's bullshit because they think they get to type in an internet message board but you can be jailed in canada for saying something wrong you can lose your business there's a human rights council yeah we talked about it actually yesterday did you have him the comedian yeah no but we talked about well he's got a different case that's from montreal we talked about the comedian from vancouver that had the altercation with the lesbians and the crowd they were heckling him and the comedians before and he called them some fucking you pussy eating dykes or whatever he said

232:29something crazy and they sued him and won they won yeah he like he had pay i don't know if he's paid but he it was tens of thousands of dollars i think it was like something like fifteen thousand dollars this fucking guy had to pay to these people who were hecklers yeah i know that people and you know that's why again when people say with the left versus right this is why it does matter because i lived through it in quebec so in quebec we only have the left we have liberals and then liberal separatists that's it there's no there's liberals and there's liberals who want to only speak french and secede from the rest of canada yeah exactly quebec's a weird place right it's a very weird place it's not like the rest of canada it's multiculturalism gone awry the french were a conquered people it should have been shut up you're speaking english instead they said it's cute let's

233:10let them have their little enclave and now it's just a nightmare for the rest of that's what white golfers are afraid about with california is that what mexicans are just gonna dominate and turn this whole thing into a mexican-speaking joint i don't remember what we were talking about oh yeah the left versus the right because yeah i do think you do at one a certain point and i think a lot of people are readily acknowledging now that those stories that you're talking about the red-haired girl the uh melissa click yeah this asian lady you really can't find that today on the right right it just doesn't exist today on the right and that doesn't exist like that what doesn't exist period on the right you know people try to point to like at parental advisory lyrics and stuff and he probably has to pee as badly as i do oh my god um and then go pee that was tipper gore yeah no the parental

233:49advisory thing from the 80s when they were trying she was trying to ban rap music people forget about that al gore's wife yeah was trying to ban rap music and christians never wanted to ban south park that's one thing where they talked about they said no we don't we just don't want it on at night we want it on late at night we don't want our kids watching it never trey parker and matt stone was it matt stone yeah matt stone or trey parker i saw matt speak at uh ut and he just a guy stood up and he was like asking this question like how do you fight back against these christians and he actually said he said well you know what he said we've actually never had an issue really he said they don't want it on in prime time we don't want it on in prime time we've seen them as an ally he said contrast that to the comedy central reaction where they decided to cut an episode

234:27because we put muhammad in it and that tells you who's really in power right something to that effect but the kid who was at ut you know in austin my brother went to ut so he would get access to all these speeches um or presentations the kid was dumbfounded he thought well matt stone's not one of me and matt stone's not a conservative he's not a republican he's not a trump supporter right he just recognizes the intolerance today of the progressive left well there's definitely an issue when you have that woman the melissa glick lady who was yelling at that kid who was just a photographer he was a journalist yeah and i think he was hired to be there in a public space he was asian yeah he's taking pictures and she said can i can we get some muscle here because we've created a safe space you can't take photos of our protests and our sit-in and our safe space about racism so we're going to get this

235:14asian guy because he doesn't understand black america like what the fuck how long do you think she was waiting to say i just want to use the term muscle oh man she was just i want to say get some muscle here she was intolerant in that she was very adamant about getting her way and she did not consider whether or not they were in a public place and this kid had the right to take those photographs and again like you said this is an asian kid i mean this is not like some fucking white jock with a crew cut like from you know back to the future where you say oh it's fucking biff fuck him you know it wasn't that it was it was like it was really hard to label him as an oppressor right she still found a way and it was such an asian response too where he was just like i just want to do my job i don't want to be the center of this story he's like at his camera up above his head taking pictures

235:56you know i don't want to start a march and she was like you have to get out of here he's like no i don't no this is my job i'm paid to be here i have to be you have a public thing going on here there's a protest i have to urinate so badly go do it dude go do it you're gonna keep doing the show no we'll wrap up okay let's wrap up all right let's wrap up all right so s crowder on twitter i'm glad we got through this dude no seriously i really appreciate your generous dude and i really do like you no i like you a lot too if i fucked with you a little bit i treated you like a stand-up comedian i figured you'd fuck with me back and you got a little but we're fine we got no that wasn't me i'm glad we got through you back we got through it yeah we got no i'm listen seriously and for those listening honestly i won't i don't because i don't want you to get in trouble if i say behind the

236:35scenes joe has done some things he's he says something that's been very nice so he's a nice he you know anyway i don't know if that hurts your street credit like no i don't have any street cred i have zero street cred well i like i have cats you have cats i have no street cred dude i take yoga he's a good dude too folks we're all fine we're gonna be fun we're gonna find a way all these ideas to come together this is part of it this is part of it so thank you very much thanks for tuning in thank you steven crowder thank you everybody see ya fuckers