Steven Crowder

00:00So, this is the first one ever live. Is it It says offline. Let's see. There's probably a bit of a delay, right? Just like YouTube or Ustream rather. Says start. Says starting. Says offline to me though. Say offline to you. Oh, here we go. Something's happening. I see a spinning wheel. Proud Mary keep on burning. Mhm. Big wheel keep on turning. Nope. Yes. Success. Stephen Crowder, you are the first official broadcast streamed live on YouTube. That's not a good sign. It's a great sign. Why is that bad? Yeah, you're going to get some monsters on YouTube. Makes appearances quite a bit when I appear. I'm not Jewish or gay. Does someone call you a Jewag? All the time. Yeah. Yeah. Which is funny because I'm not Jewish or gay. My brother and I did a video um when YouTube had just started. It was 2006. So, I don't know if you remember there was a rash of really bad impression videos that would

01:02be like, I'm going to do a 100 impressions and it was some guy doing like Kermit the Frog. You know, cartoons are not impressions. You're just doing cartoon voices like at a kids party. And so, I did one where I did these impressions that were really mediocre. But my brother was my Ed McMahon and he was just laughing his ass. He just thought it was hilarious. And then it goes on for like five minutes and then I do a pretty spot-on Harrison Ford impression. My brother's like, "You need to you need to work on that one a little bit." And so we have these, this is the new YouTube was new, uncensored, and it's like, you're a Jew and I hope you get AIDS from that Jew not realizing he's my brother. My brother's not Jewish either. And there were people who hated it because they thought the impressions were awful. There were people who hated it cuz they got the joke and they felt like they'd been

01:41shortchanged. And there were people who liked it because they got the joke. And there were people who liked it because for some reason they thought the impressions were good. And they were all fighting. And we were going, "What? What is this? Monsters. Monsters. Stabbing into monsters." But you do realize that you're feeding those monsters by bringing up their actual name. Like saying all that stuff like you you're giving them the attention that they so desperately seek. Is that like like Poltergeist thing you're feeding them? Yeah. Like Candyman. Yeah. But there's also Candyman. Candyman. That's a horrible film. When you go back and watch it, it's not good at all. It's like one of those things you watch when you're a kid and you're scared and you go back, you're like, "No, no, trust, trust me. Let's watch this." You watch it with your girlfriend and you just

02:16wish you would have left it there. Yeah. Do you know what the one did to me? Is Altered States. I didn't see Altered States. Oh, it was so Well, I was what got me into Isolation Tanks. I was uh fascinated by it. That's what got me into it and got me into John Lily, the guy who the whole movie was actually based on this one guy who not obviously didn't really turn into a monkey. Do you remember the movie, the William Hurt movie? I don't remember the film. He got a hold of some crazy psychedelic brew from the Amazon jungle and took it and brought it back to America and had these experiences where he regressed into some monkey beast thing and he went to the zoo killed a bunch of animals. Yeah. Like you had like the you change but when you you know I was watching that's the noise. I mean, I probably was like 15 Larry Flint came in Larry Flint. I mean, trying to push his

03:10wheelchair. Um, I watched it when I was like 15 or something like that. I was in high school and I was like, "Whoa, this is so cool." Then I watched it again when I was like 39 and I was like, "Oh, this is such a piece of shit." That happened with me like two weeks ago with my wife and I feel ashamed. Ninja Turtles because I was up late and I'm on Netflix. I'm watching Megan Fox Ninja Turtles. I was like, "This is terrible." You know, no, you don't know Ninja Turtles because there was at one point it was actually a good film and I take it back and I watch it and I'm like, well, maybe let's try Ninja Turtles 2 and it just gets worse. Well, you know, there's that's good when you're little and it's still good when you're little, but when you're not little, it's not good. Like I took my kids to see this uh there's a show called Wildrats. Yeah. Well, I worked with PBS. They'd

03:51come in every now and then. Oh, yeah. Okay. And Arthur was my It's a very good show. The show is very good. Like the television show. The live show is terrible. Oh, it's like a museum where you just see a video display kind of deal. Isn't it like that? No, it's worse than that. It's way worse than that. It's But meanwhile, my 5-year-old loved it. Like, I took her to see it. It was uh at the Pantageous in Hollywood, and the they put on these suits like in the show, there's this what what the show is about. It's an educational show for people who don't know that is all about wildlife and kids learn a lot of stuff. It used to be Zabumafu. They jumping the with the Kratz brothers. Yeah. And um nothing like an actual lemur. No, very inaccurate. Yes, they can be aggressive. Actual lemurs can be actual lemur. So, you know, some kid went to the zoo like this a bumafu and just got his face torn

04:41off by a monkey on red wine and Xanax. But the um the show, like my 5-year-old learns all kinds of from it because like she'll say, you know, "Daddy, did you know that alligators or crocodiles, I think it is, they decide whether or not they're male or female based on the temperature of the water?" I'm like, "Fuck, is that true?" And so I Google it like, "Holy my 5-year-old just schooled me on crocodile uh the gendered assignment." I think if we're being honest with ourselves, your 5-year-old would probably school you on the difference between an alligator and a crocodile because I'm still murky on it. I'm pretty clear on that one. Every time I get, you know, I was like, well, those crocodiles goes by the snouts. One of them is rounder, right? Alligators. I know Steve has a lot of respect for the American alligator. Steve Irwin did. Yeah. He was a crocodile hunter, but I

05:26remember when he got around some gators. He was like, "This is don't these guys are serious." Well, actually, alligators are not nearly as aggressive as crocodiles. Crocodiles are way more dangerous. That's factually inaccurate. It's the opposite. American alligators are smaller or they're well they're smaller than crocodile like Nile crocs but you know they've these douchebags some people have released Nile crocodiles in Florida so they found a few of them in the Everglades and so they have a a seek and destroy mission like if you see a Nile crocodile like game wardens everyone is supposed to kill it on site that happened in Michigan with those uh lamp rays you ever seen those? Yeah. And actually, as a matter of fact, I think you've done her show, Dana Lash and her husband, they were coming up to my wedding up there. Yeah. And he was like, "I'm not I'm not going up there. They got lamp

06:11rays in the lake." I'm like, "They have no sharks. They have no stingrays. You have lamp rays." You know, it's a it's scary. It's got like a mouthful of teeth. They're cool. They're like aliens. Yeah. But they're not pleasant to be in the water with, but they've exterminated like I think 90 something% of them, but it's that 10 something% that you still have to worry about up there in the Great Lakes. Yeah. Well, there's a bunch of invasive species from other countries that they've done that with. Those uh Asian carp, that's one of them. If you haven't seen that, folks, you got to Google it because it's the craziest thing. There's YouTube videos. For whatever reason, when you ride boats, they jump out of the water and they have knocked people dead. Like, knock people out cold. They jump out of the water. Have people actually died from Asian carp? I I bet people have

06:51died cuz I know people have been knocked out cold. I know. I know. Personally, a lot of weight. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They're like 30 lbs and they're jumping in the air. Well, sharks will do that, you know. Really? Yeah. Makeo sharks can get I mean maybe you can bring it up like I want to say 60 mph or something absurd and they'll go right into boats. Whoa. Yeah. Make sharks. So they just slam into boat but they don't they get on fishing boats. Yeah. They'll actually like cuz they're just going so fast and I think they're coming for the bait. You can find videos if you bring them up. Have you ever seen the video of the kayakers that get swamped by the whale? The whale breaches. I've read Moby Dick. No, this is a real one. This is a real one. This is a real one. Yeah. See if you can find that. The the whale uh swamp some kayakers. Yeah, these poor fools are out in a kayak.

07:32Go, I love whales. It's amazing to be in this environment. When you're around nature, it just makes you feel so wonderful. They care about us. See, look, this whale just these poor I was in Florida. Watch this Oh, it Where do I go? This way. This way. Anyone? It doesn't match this. Oh my gosh. Kill them all. Oh, you up, son. Kill them all. That's one thing I talked about. I remember and I got someone really mad in stand up a bit about sharks. I was like, "Watch this." Watch this in close up. Oh Jesus Christ. Oh gosh. I mean that's got to weigh what? 10,000 lbs. Were they dead or did they just kind of move with it because it's water? I mean if that happens on land, you're dead. Yeah, I would assume they just move with it. I mean they probably got The real scary thing is if you get knocked unconscious by the blow and then you're going Look at that's the impact of it.

08:26Was it a hunchback? What do we know? I don't know. big. Oh, they looks like they're okay. Have you ever seen whales in real life? Oh, there they are. They're I've seen dolphins. Uh I don't think I've seen whales. I've seen whales. I went on uh one of the one of the things my daughter had this school thing where you go over to Zuma Zuma Beach like somewhere around November. I think they start and it's you don't even believe what you're seeing. Like you see them in the water, you're like, "That's a that's a real whale." Yeah. Like you see them and you're like, "Oh my." When I I guess it's like when you see them on TV, you go, "Yeah, they're big. I get it. But when you see them in real life and you get a perspective, you're like, "Oh my god, they're just living out there." Well, it's like Lena Dunham. You see her in the pictures and you know it's bad. And then you see her

09:09in context next to someone. I see what you just did. You see what I did there? It's okay. She blocked me quickly without me ever even tweeting her. One thing I will say, we were in Florida. She blocked you because of that video that you made. Is that what it was? No, she blocked me long before that video. Really? I get blocked by people before I even talked to them. I do too. I Sometimes I'm proud of it. Well, a lot of them are comedians, too. Who just comedians blocked you? Get the out of here. What comedians have blocked you? Amy Schumer, Mark Marin. I never tweeted them. What? Amy Schumer and I got in an argument uh on Fox News a long time ago. You know, about what? About a column I wrote and we got into it and I was like, "Okay." And I was It was actually pretty respectful, but I It happens with a lot of comedians. A lot of comments. Well, what was the column

09:47about? The column was about how as a as a Christian, how I wasn't having sex and wrote about sort of the case for Christians who maybe aren't crazy who wait until they're married. and she's like, "I feel like it's really judgmental and really harsh." And I was like, "Okay, well that's fine. This is my case and you you don't have to do it." She got really really mad about it. You know what's interesting is if you were like a tantric Buddhist That's exactly what I said. Did you really say that? Yeah. I talked about that cuz and right away off air the first thing and it's the same thing with with Marin who I you know I like um is well where do you do you're not part of our club. Are you a comedian? He does that though. He did that with me. He's got this weird right before she goes, she goes, "Well, where do you perform stand up? Do you perform in the city?" And this point I

10:28was living in New York. I was like, "No." She goes, "Where do you perform? Like, do your Christian like churches?" And I said, "No, actually, but that sounded like a great idea." So then after that, I started calling up churches like, "Do you do standup?" And there was one that responded, "Yes." Um, and then I was I they complained and I never did another church again because I had like I had a whole bit about not having sex. And the bit I wrote was that it's the final taboo. Like I can go up and be as profane as possible, right? and I follow comedians or I'll go up and it's filthy and my act is very politically incorrect like I've been banned from places but it's not dirty and I said then I go up and talk about not having sex and everyone gets so uncomfortable. The church problem was that I talked about having a raging erection for four years where my family

11:07had to lift the furniture like a great Dane's tail. So the church has had a problem with it. Um so you you did this for years. You you didn't have sex. Yeah, for years. Why did you do that? Cuz I didn't want to be a hypocrite. In so in what way? Well, as someone who is a, you know, a Christian, I don't really talk about it a lot, but I was like, you know what? I don't want to be I don't want to be a target that easily as far as being a hypocrite, and I that's why I did it. So, sex, like, I mean, there's a lot of really we got right off the bat. Yeah. because this is a it's a it's a wacky subject, you know, like as a discipline, like there's some beautiful things about Christianity as a discipline, but the problem is as a practice, if you if you really pay attention to the scriptures themselves, it's so problematic. There's so many contradictions. There's so much crazy

11:51in there. You you are you going on the Old Testament? Well, if that's the case, you're you're talking about some really nutty If you're going on the New Testament, you're talking about right off the bat, but you know what I'm saying? New Testament are created by Constantine. A bunch of you know the cannon was really manufactured. He wasn't even a Christian. He was on his deathbed. Well, I don't talk about it a lot. I'll write about it because it's it's a big part of what defines me. Like we had Harrison Greenbomb on and you know Nor McDonald Harrison Greenbomb went up and he did this bit about you know someone read me a a scripture from a book you know on the on the bus and I said well if you get to quote your favorite book I get to quote mine. Harry Potter And he came on. He was really who was he? Harrison Greenbomb. He was on Last Comic Standing. Oh I didn't watch it. Anyways,

12:31he was on the show. He claimed he said he knew you. And I had him on. He was really mad that I wrote gay comic gets uh sort of shafted by norm. And he was like he was like, "Well, you know, first off, he used gay poratively." I said, "Yes." He goes, "Well, okay. So, you know what that means?" I said, "Sure, you're a comedian, right?" Like, "Why is that a problem?" He goes, "Well, you know, first of you, you just didn't use it pajorally, and you didn't even ask me." I said, "Well, are you gay?" He goes, "No." Oh, come on. And I said, "Okay, I I'll take your word for it, but I don't believe you, but let's just continue with the interview." And we went on. And then afterwards, I was like I was like, "You know, the fact is even if you're not gay, you make this Christian joke, but you don't touch Islam at all. And I know you claim you're straight, but they would throw

13:09you off a roof for your lisp." And he um the thing with Norm was he went out, he did this bit about the Bible, and you have Roseanne Bar on Last Comic Standing, and my commentary was just that Norm said, you know, I didn't think it was uh I didn't think it was accurate. You know, I didn't think it was funny at all. Uh I didn't think it was risky. I thought it was very safe and if you're going to insult an entire group of people who you know uh know about the faith, you should probably know what you're talking about. That was it, right? And he was so upset and he was like he was going well the audience was actually booing Norm and I go well you're missing the point of the piece. It's that everyone was upset at Norm saying that and Roseanne Bar is telling her that's some risky when he made a Bible joke and Norm was just pointing out it's really not that risky. Well,

13:48what was the joke? Do you remember? It was the guy quoting scripture. He said like one of my favorite Harry Potter Yeah, that's not that. He's not gay. Well, he's gay as If he's if he sounds anything like your voice, it's Well, his name. Can I look at him? Harrison Greenblum. Pull him up on the the screen. J, you can bring up our interview with him. I will I will tell you by looking. I have that that gift. That's true. I got that gift from Jesus. Wait, did you look at him? I can look at tell someone and find out if they're gay. Well, that's not gaydar. It's a gift. It's a It's a It's a biblical gift or divine gift. My friend, uh, David Pride says that's a homo vision. Well, he should he should go on TV and say that this is the guy. He'll do well. Okay, that guy's in our game. Hm. Well, you can't go by a picture. Yes, I can. Just like that. The sweater with the white shirt

14:35underneath. He's a nice guy to be fair. I was making gay. I don't think there's anything wrong with being gay. My point was he got mad and he didn't want me to take him out of context. So, I said, "Okay, we'll do a pre-tape. We have to do two segments for air." And we did like a three-hour thing on it where I was talking. Where was uh where was this interview being held? It was my show. Oh, your show. Okay. So, he came on your show. Yeah. All right. I'm going to slip in a request for you to go on. You can obviously say no, but No, I do it. Sure. It's um we know we go terrestrially. Actually, we're going um into syndication here with Alex Jones's same guys at Genesis. Doesn't mean I agree with Alex a whole bunch, but uh so we kind of have the show that's syndicated terrestrially and then we do extended versions for the podcast. So, we're kind of bridging that gap. Well, Alex is the

15:17exact opposite of you in in the sense of uh Alex is not not having sex for any reason whatsoever. I'm married though. He's a animal. He's a crazy dude. Like people go, "Why are you friends with Alex Jones?" I go, "I'm friends with Alex Jones cuz I'm friends with Alex Jones." Like what you're getting is Alex Jones on infowars.com. What they're doing right now is trying to take away life. They want to wipe out America. You know, he he's he's Do you do impressions on your act or do you find it hard to bring him in? I very rarely do. It feels hacked to bring him in and stand up usually, doesn't it? Well, unless it's there's a reason to do it like if I if I have to do a Mike Tyson bit. If there's something happens and I've got a a bit there's a Well, you saw it from like 1991 or something that's online. But if there's a reason to do a voice, I'll do it. You know, you

16:06like if I had a Bill Cosby bit, I would do Bill Cosby's voice. We do Well, we do on the podcast. So, we do fake commercials. We like dating advice with Bill Cosby minute news minute with in a nick of time with Nick Noly. So it's like the internet is actually it's funny we're talking about this when standup when I started standup I started acting actually when I was 12 and then I did standup because the unions killed the industry in Montreal. There was just no more film coming into the city. You know they used to shoot a ton of stuff in Montreal now not so much. And so I was in my teens and I had been writing standup for years for like school talent shows. Like I think this would be funny because I grew up around it and I thought it was so freeing to do it. And then it's kind of turned like you were talking about this PC culture where I think and I was sort of wrong in the

16:44sense I was like these kids online they're not they're not comedians they don't know what it's like but I think about it you know that's what the Marx brothers would have said of standup it's just an evolution of comedy and you can't do standup in your bedroom but you can do YouTube in your bedroom and so you look like at at Nicole Arbor this thing I don't know if you saw she was did the fat shaming thing yes I did see that and I didn't think it was particularly funny but I defended her right to say it but I was saying it doesn't matter if she's funny or not because people will always attack you for not being funny. They're not going to say that's offensive. You can't say it. They'll say, "Well, I just you're just not funny, so you shouldn't be able to say that." And uh PC, you know, the PC culture has really permeated standup in a way that's I mean, it happened in

17:19Canada years ago. People don't realize freedom of speech doesn't really exist in Canada. It's not a legally protected right. Well, you know, about the guy in Vancouver who literally got sued and lost because he had some woman heckling him and he said a bunch of mean to her. And so he whatever human rights violation, I forget what the actual citation was, but he has to pay her like $15,000. Well, there's a pastor, Steven Bone, who um said he wouldn't marry two guys and spoke out against it and wasn't hateful. You know, everyone loves to paint the pastors the southern damn homos. And he was just like, well, listen, that's not going to happen to my church. And um he was actually banned from public speaking, lost his church, had to file an appeal. And so that's where when I talk with people about it, you know, I think and from public speaking by saying that he doesn't want

18:03to marry and saying it's still against God's, you know, whatever his deal is, whether you agree with it or not, that's my point. It's still not okay to ban a guy from even having a church. I mean, Westboro Baptists have 12 people, nine of whom are the guy's family. They get so much press time. Meanwhile, we have over 300 million Muslims who want you to die for converting. And we're talking about the Westboro Baptist because they use the f word it's a it's fun. That's one of the reasons why the Westboro Baptist Church I mean that guy Phelps was so nuts. He was so out of his Do you ever see the the Louis Thuru documentary where he went where they ask if he's Jewish? He's like, "Well, I don't think it should matter, but are you Jew?" I I'm not saying I'm I'm I am Jewish, but I don't understand why they should. That's not relevant. Are you a Jew? That was only like It was just a It

18:51was like the guy on YouTube. Oh, that guy. And they were doing Brazilian jiu-jitsu. Do you remember that? I don't remember that. Yeah, the white supremacists. Why do I not remember? They were training in Brazilian jiu-jitsu. And I was like, do you not see the irony? They were training MMA, Brazilian jiu-jitsu. They And the Yeah. Wait, no, wait, no. I'm thinking of a different one with Theu on white supremacy, not Western Baptist. No, he did a white supremacist one. I didn't see that one. And they were like training up their gang and they were doing Brazilian jiu-jitsu. That although Well, that's pretty ironic. Brazilians are not white, you Well, they kind of are. Some of them are. Well, they're the most racist people on the planet. Brazilians. Oh my god. Well, I wouldn't say they're racist. What I would say is that they're nationalistic. They're very nationalistic, but but they're but

19:32they're not in the sense because there's like half the country is black. Like half the country is is like African. I don't know if you really sort of not to get into your wheelhouse, but like the the Vtor Belelffor Anderson Silva thing, if you look at a lot of the stuff like on the Brazilian message boards that people were saying, it was really like this sort of coming up of this black class in Brazil where if you were black, you worked at McDonald's. You just weren't considered a first class citizen among a lot of the pure Brazilians. People don't even understand about Cheer Vera in uh in um Cuba. Same kind of thing. You know, I saw a kid wearing a cheer shirt. I go, "Well, why don't you just wear a Hitler shirt?" Well, what do you mean? He believed in pure European Spanish blood and executed people for not being that. Um and uh in Brazil there really is a class structure. I

20:16mean my Brazilian instructor I won't say who I've had several was quite racist and he was oh man here in America you could play for the fight the guy is he's white black in Brazil he's not even give time of day. He was that's weird because Jacquare is like a Brazilian national hero and he's black. Yeah but they're out. Ple what about ple the soccer player? He was a Brazilian national hero. He was black. My evidence is anecdotal, Joe. I'm not. Yeah. No, it is true. I've been to Brazil many times. They're I just don't see that. I mean, I might be wrong. You know, there was a there was a huge issue with Anderson Silva when he fought Damen Maya. Yeah. And you know, and he was a sort of bourgeoisi class. Damian Maya had college. He was Playboy. Yeah. You know, and Playboy is like one of the ways that they they that's the porative they use for rich privileged white people, right?

21:03You know, playboy. That's a Brazilian. Check your privilege. Check your privilege, my friend. My friend. I check for you. Yeah. I don't know. I would have to I'd never actually asked my Brazilian friends whether or not Brazil's racist, but I I didn't experience it that much when I was there. They seem real friendly. It's a very very friendly country other than Joe Rogue and stuff. You do have to understand like like you know success has changed who how people treat. You're very successful. You're a victim of your own success in the sense that in the sense I came in here nervous. Well, they also know that I'm a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt. So, I I practice Brazilian arts, you know, so I have a big deep respect for Brazil, right? And then a big deep respect for, of course, the Gracie family. I mean, I'm wearing a Gracie t-shirt. The Gracie family, which revolution not gay. Thank

21:54you. Not gay. Not gay either. Harry Potter batch. Um, it is weird though that like there's not a straight voice, you know, but there's a gay voice. Well, yeah. And what's so fun is like you say that my wife had a friend. I won't talk about it. Talk about it. You don't have to name names. It was clearly gay. Oh, I got like that. Like clearly gay to the point where when he was gone, I would call him gay blank cuz I know it's such a common name. My wife is just freak. I'm going to get a text right now. So, she'd be like, "I was out with so and so." And I'm like, "Gay so and so?" Cuz I know five of them, you know? It's just like it's like a name like John. It's not John. Okay. And she he's not gay. Okay. First off, I said, "Let me let me clarify the rules. If he's not gay, you can't go out with him alone until 1:00 in the morning." Okay, he's gay. And I mean, like that was so and

22:42then he sure enough he like came out of the closet. Well, shocker. Well, here's the thing. When a guy like that, and I mean literally like he's the kind of gay guy who literally like Richard Simmons would be like, "That's kind of severe." Like really gay. And um when he came out of the closet, I told my wife, I said, "Okay, here's what's going on. What he's really saying is stuff's about to get weird. You're going to find some Grinder profiles like cuz everyone knew he was gay, right?" And then all of a sudden it's just a revolving door, you know, of boyfriends and it's like it's more uncomfortable for my wife. It's more comfortable for me because I had to keep this lie alive. Like, hey, you go on any dates with females lately, gay? Like, no. You know, and he dated a girl for a while. And I remember just sitting there like, what bunny hole did I jump into

23:26where I'm sitting at dinner with my wife and gay blank with this girl and they're clearly just faking it? And I was like, I just rather girl faking it or did she think that maybe he was question? I have a friend, my friend Sheamat, she's a stand-up comedian. She's married not one but two different guys that turned out to be gay. Like she married him at a certain point, it's you. Well, I don't know if it's her. I mean, I don't know what the it is. She seems so normal, though. I mean, she's a comic. She's kind of crazy, but she's nice. She's She seems totally normal to stable female comedians. Ah, I know a few. Well, it's weird because it's like in my world, you know, like in my world, in the world of standup. In my world, Sunny, my patriarchal world, the sun sets on the west and rises in the east. It's actually It does that, right? Yeah, I reversed. That was accurate. Yeah, it

24:18was accurate. My world's My world's accurate. My world's boring, frankly. But the world of standup comics, it's like there's it's a fraternity, you know? So, like I'm friends with girls who are open micers. I'm friends with like especially from Kill Tony, which is uh one of my friend Redban and um Tony Hinchcliffe shows where we constantly are around these open micer kids that are coming up and you know, we become friends with them and a lot of them are out of their mind. They're crazy, but they're friends. You know, in my world, those are that's just that's just the mindset that it takes to be a comedian. You have to be a little bit crazy. Yeah, I think that's true. I just think so. So, Shea is no different than any of my other friends in that sense. But somehow or another, she wound up with two gay guys. And the last time I talked to her, I don't think that story goes somehow or

25:05another. I think there's a reason in there. I think in her mind, it's somehow or another. She's like, "What the fuck?" But, you know, she's dated straight guys. She dated one of my buddies. I mean, she, you know, it's not that. I don't know what the it is, but she dated one guy and then she found out somehow or another he was gay and then she dated another guy that was like a male stripper, I think, and somehow or another he was doing Well, there you go. It's kind of like the talent pool with college sports. You're picking the guy with the highest vertical. She's drawn from the pool of the male strippers and the guys who are, you know, pay for gay bodybuilders. That's what's going to happen. Pay for gay body. Gay for pay. Did I say pay for Well, well, it depends on who's doing the paying. Joe Weider with Arnold. He's the one who's paying for the gay. Is that true? I am not Joe.

25:48I don't want to be slandered. Please. Is that what you heard? You heard Joe Weider paid Arnold. I didn't hear that. I knew that. I heard that Arnold I I could have spoken back in the day. I could be completely off base. Well, I've talked about it on my the podcast. I had a buddy who was a male stripper. Two buddies back way back in the day. And uh one, you know, he would wear these uh underwear that was like a it was a like a um an elephant underwear and he put his hog in the trunk and he would have I thought you combine hog with elephant. It was one animal another. It's actually like a delicacy really. The guy was really weird. But then one day he's talking about all these girls and he's dancing for and I go, "You ever have to dance for guys?" And there's this dead silence in the room and everybody's That's the lie he wants to keep alive. He said it. Yeah. He asked the question and then

26:37got weird when he started explaining how he had to sometimes but he hated it and like when I moved to LA there was a role there was work and it was cleaning I was when I moved to LA I was talking yeah Tony Kamacho was my manager and um I was living out of a car for a bit and when I say it's kind of like the Ronda Ross it was like a week and I was just sort of couch surfing until I got to my next place so it's not like I was a longtime hobo and actually got a 24-hour fitness pass for like a week so I was fine. Um, I don't even know how I was getting started. Something about Oh, when it first came to LA. Yeah, there was a role in in in Craigslist and it was like cleaning houses in your underwear. It was like no contact, but you're just cleaning houses in your underwear. It was like 150 bucks an hour or something like that. Like I'm No, no, wait. It was

27:20$50 an hour for a minimum of threehour pay because it assume you know I lost something under the couch. Yes. Well, my dad had that. He mowed lawns and the guy um at an Indian village in Detroit and he would my dad can maybe text me the name of this guy and he said the guy was like but he wasn't flamboyantly guy. He was very polite like well you know Darren you're a good-looking young man you and your brother Dean you should uh as you mow lawn you know feel free it's it's hot here in the summer too take off your shirts and and and wear something a little bit shorter and uh it's it's entirely you know if you want to take a dip in the pool go ahead. Oh boy. But he was very very nice. He had a light long-term partner and uh you know I think a lot of them got massacred in Detroit. I don't think they live in that area anymore. Really got massacred. I just mean Detroit. It's a war zone. Like

28:02they're Indians. Some sort of Native American war. Indigenous. Joe. They came over. Get yourself together. Indigenous. Can't say Indian anymore. Is that a No. No. You not only can't say Indian. We moved on to Native American and now we moved on to indigenous. Well, in Canada it's indigenous, right? First nation. Is that what they say? Canada. I think they say first election in Canada. Well, it used to be you well everybody called people Eskimo and then No, you can't do that. You can't. But in Alaska, they use the word Eskimo. Like it's okay. Alaska, it's okay. It's weird. This is the problem with the lexicon and the changing rules. Well, it's when people get ultra super sensitive and gets weird. Like there's things that used to say for the longest time and now you can't say them anymore. Yeah. Well, and that's where, you know, you're more in the middle. Uh, I'm, you

28:48know, people would say to the right of Attilla the Hun, like libertarian, conservative. Um, and that's by design. That's that's not an accident. People want to control language. If you look at the history of political correctness, it is designed as a political tool. And I see these people awakening now, like the social justice warrior left. Well, all they're doing is doing the same thing to maybe they're not doing it to you, but to people like Milo, to people out there who are liberal, the same thing they've done to me and every conservative for a long time. Just you're a racist. You're a sexist. Perfect example is Ben Carson. You may not like him. People may not like him, right? But Ben Carson was a neurosurgeon. Ben, not just a neurosurgeon. He was a wizard. And um he's probably the most polite candidate we've had in 40 years. I don't think anyone would dispute that. He's a

29:31very polite guy. What do they do? They paint him as a dumbass bigot. Well, he believes some crazy Some crazy stuff. Yeah. But I would hope that people afford him, you know, for example, like my dad is Christian conservative, right? But he sends your stuff along and now he could easily be like uh you know he'll just tell him like skip through the edible mushroom stuff and the tattoos because he doesn't agree with it. But like Joe is really right on this the part about about dying to ego every day in Brazilian jiu-jitsu and he'll send it along to people. This is really inspirational for for in my family. We've never had to paint someone as an idiot because of some opinions with which we don't agree. You may think Ben Carson believes some crazy stuff, but he's a smart guy and he's not a bigot. Well, what I find fascinating about him is the people that do compartmentalize certain aspects of

30:14life, like that he does ignore science when it comes to evolution. And he believes in macroeolution, but he doesn't believe in micro evolution. I believe the other way around, micro but not macro. But he he's got some interesting ideas about what he believes and what he doesn't believe in that the world of science accepts as a as a stated fact. the people I know, but I know a lot of people say, "Oh, he's this 6,000year-old young earth creationist, you know, and they and he said, "No, I'm not." He just said he has flaws in the Big Bang, and he believes in a Big Bang, just a different version of it. Well, the Big Bang. But I don't think some guy in a Reddit thread in his mother's basement with a bag of Cheetos has figured something out that Ben Carson has. You asked me about like the Christian thing. Well, you just you just diminished a person from Reddit. You just put them in

30:59the basement and apparent maybe they have a nice apartment. Well, you get some of those. You get a weird intersection here because you get smart people who listen to your show, but you do get some close-minded people and you um my thing is, you know what, the reason I don't talk about faith or like Donald Trump is because there are certain things or people just they're just not going to hear it. Here's my position on on religion and atheism. And I don't think it's an untenable position and it's pretty simple. I believe there are very smart atheists and I believe that there are some very smart Christians. That's undeniable. It's undeniable. Yeah. But the thing is now the reason atheists are so fun to tease and get them up in a lather is because they think that all of these brilliant people and three billion people on the face of the earth have missed something

31:37that they caught because they saw half of a Christopher Hitchens debate. And if you sit down with Ben Carson, these kids calling him an idiot and talking about how he doesn't know science, they would sit down and he'd probably school them. They may not agree with him, but he'd probably school them. And my problem is taking things out of context. Like he's not even my guy. Well, you see the problem is you're talking about Ben Carson versus some kids that don't know what they're talking about. But if you talk Bernie Sanders or Hillary or Ali, but what they're comparing Ben Carson to is people that do know what they're talking about. So if you do get people that have a vast understanding of evolution and they sit down and debate Ben Carson, he's not going to do very well. I don't know. I've not seen it. I think the big I would think probably not, but I don't think he would put

32:17himself in that position. The Big Bang is the weird one because the Big Bang essentially no one understands why it happened. No one understands what caused it. No one understands if it's just some cycle that goes on every 14 billion years. He's writing a book on it. Who is Ben Carson on the Big Bang on on explaining his reasoning. Oh, that's interesting. Well, what is his reasoning? Do you know what his position is? I don't know exactly what his position is. It doesn't it's not doesn't reflect my position, but I don't think that that disqualifies him from being a better leader than a lot of people on the docket. I mean, did you watch the debates last night? No, I did not. There was literally a point where all of the biggest argument, and that's the thing that I have. If you look at the right, I mean, you're moderate. You would be considered to any leftist if you said

32:59the stuff they say, they'd be like, "Oh, you're rightwing." That's what they would say, not you. That's what they would say. Let's compare really quickly right now. The GOP, right? People, it's a party of old white guys. Okay? You've got Carly Fiorina. You've got two Latinos and Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio. You've got a brain. Barely Latino. How dare you? He's gay by the way tech for sure 100%. Um he also is probably one of the smartest students to come out of Harvard from according to his professors with an IQ that's like higher than blew them all. So they say that yeah that must be it that and chemtrails. Um I think uh so you have them Ben Carson you have people are career politicians. You have people with no experience in the political sector. And then I'm watching last night Hillary Clinton Bernie Sanders Ali and a couple of other scrubs. Every single one is an old white

33:45politician. And the worst part is the lack of intellectual diversity. Look at the GOP debate. You have Ran Paul who's a non-interventionist basically who's all about that cannabis oil. You have Chris Christie who basically wants to prosecute using drugs. You have Carly Fiorina who believes it's a state's right. You have some people who supported the war in Iraq. You have some people who were against it. Every single question last night at that Democratic debate was answered in unison. And the biggest argument was over who had the lowest rating from the NRA. They were attacking Bernie Sanders going, "Keep in mind, you only have a Dminus from the NRA. I got a F. I got an F. Is that really what they were arguing about? Who who said that? Who was It was Omali, Sanders, and Clint. All of them were arguing over who got the lowest rating of the NRA. That was their badge of

34:24honor. You only got a D minus. I got a F. I was like, what what is this? That's interesting because I I I did see an interview. I wanted to get to the debate later today. I didn't watch it yesterday. I had some stuff I had to do that was actually important. But um Bernie made me feel very poorly about just joking around. I don't I don't look there there's a real problem with the Commission for Presidential Debates. A real problem with the fact that it's when you it gets down to the big crunch time. The Commission for Presidential Debates is a privately funded institution. It's not as simple as like everyone who's running for president gets an equal say and we have all these qualified candidates and we're just going to figure out who's the right guy for the job. takes a shitload of money to get to the point where you can actually run for a debate when you

35:08actually can get up there and actually have your opinion and broadcast it to the world. There's a lot of hoops you have to jump through. Probably rightly so. But there's some value in that. Yeah. But I think that as time moves on and the medium of the internet becomes more and more powerful, most likely that will be less of a factor. having Anderson Cooper with goofy glasses asking questions about whether or not it's okay to be a conscientious objector and still run for president. Yeah. You know, which is one of the things that apparently he asked Bernie Sanders, which I thought was fascinating. Well, I got in trouble. Do black lives matter or do all lives matter? That that one was like black lives matter? Well, that's what Bernie said. Well, of course all lives matter, but black lives that's a loaded question and it's a stupid question to answer. They should say that's a loaded

35:53question and I'm not going to answer it. Of course all lives matter. I understand the movement and I think A, B, and C about it. Yes, I agree with you. That's that's the right way to say it. But he said black lives matter because that's the progressive left-wing thing to say because you're not going to get from white people about it, but you'll get a lot of brownie points from black people. You might get crap from Sean King who's a white guy about it. Sean King is a white guy. I was kicked out of that feminist film festival for saying he was white. They have rubber titted menrating Jesus Christ. I saw that and I've got like it doesn't bother I find it funny but they're triggered by me saying Shan King is white. That was one of my favorite videos of yours. That was a really that and the Lena Dunham video. But that that video particularly of you with the feminist because first

36:33of all you're being very reasonable and they got upset right away. Like they were getting upset like you were you weren't being aggressive. You weren't being rude. You were asking like really pretty reasonable questions and you know they're like you full disclosure I was being a disturber. Like I I don't deny that little bit. You selectively edit it. Anything you've ever watched is edited. Well, what are you going to do? Put all 3 hours of whatever the you were there on. Well, that's what like like James O'Keeffe or Andrew Breitbart of the Planned Parenthood videos do because they're journalists. What I do is entertainment. But they'll actually put up the full footage. See, I don't know what the those Planned Parenth I I watched part of it and I was like, is this real? Like what's going on with this? Are these people really talking like this about about Yeah, you

37:14can watch the full footage. You can watch three four hours. And the big thing, the attack, you know, on Carly Fyina for talking about it, they go, "Well, it didn't really happen in a video." Listen, she has 30 seconds. She's talking about pieces in the video that you can see, and she sets it in a narrative that she can answer in 30 seconds. And they go, "Well, that all those things didn't happen in that timeline in a video." Well, educate me because were they or were they not saying that we can get you intact fetuses and that we can They were selling fetus parts. Yeah. So, they were, right? So, why is anybody saying that it's a hoax? Well, why did they say the same thing, you know, with with uh Andrew Breitbart? The Acorn scandal. Well, let's not get into that. But well, no, it's important. They attacked the messenger. That's what they did. The acorn scandal was pretty clear.

37:53They were they were literally giving people advice on how to Yeah, but the left said the exact sameution. The exact same thing. They said it's dishonest. These are selectively edited. And their final argument was when James O'Keeffe appear, and I'm not I'm not a journalist, so I just make it clear like that's why I don't release it's designed to be funny. It's more in line with a daily show than something at Fox News or CNN, right? Um, James O'Keefe went on Fox and Friends in a pimp jacket, like promoting the videos. And their argument was he didn't go in dressed like a pimp and her dress. They said they were pimps and prostitutes, but they didn't dress like that. Well, how do you tell me how a pimp or a prostitute dresses? Cuz I bet you're wrong. The black lives matter. People get mad at me. Listen, man. I think they dress like Ben Carson smoking jacket. I was in Vegas once and

38:36I was with a couple of my buddies and we were at this bar and uh it was a UFC night. Uh it was a the night of the weigh-ins. So, we went to the weighins and we're at the bar and there was this girl who looked like a executive at a Fortune 500 company. I mean, she had a respectable business dress on. She had nice clothes on, a nice purse. And she was talking to me and all my friends and I was like, "Something is going on here." And then a I don't know what it was, but my friends were hitting on her and all this. And she was just a little too receptive. And I said, "So, I I it was just my friends were ugly. It was going to say you have low confidence in your friends as well. Well, they're savages, you know? I mean, maybe she just wants to get gorilla by a bunch of a bunch of savages, right? But, um, but I was like, something's going on here. So, I go, um, how much is all this

39:26going to cost everybody? And she goes, well, it depends how many guys. And they all went, yeah. And I I go, yeah. And then they went, how'd you know? And I go, well, I'm I'm I'm guessing some insincerity here. She's working. You're working, right? And she goes, yeah, I'm working. Yeah. And I go, "Okay." And so, and then they were like, "Damn." Yeah. I go, "You thought she liked you?" And then everybody starts laughing. I go, "Well, if you look at her, she looks like she could be an executive for like a Mandalay Bay." Like, she could be there. Like, is everybody enjoying their stay here at Mandalay Bay? Anybody want their suck for $1,000? I mean, it was like, you learn to pick up on that growing up in Montreal like I did. Oh, really? Well, I mean, it's everywhere. Well, how do they dress? Well, I mean, you just when someone approaches you. No, I can't tell how they dress. I'm not

40:09talking about pimps or prostitutes. I'm saying the guy went out in a giant feathered purple coat and a fedora on the show and a cane as a gag, right? That's like pimps up hose down, right? And so the left goes, well, he didn't do that in the acorn video, so this is misleading. Okay, so what is what is the argument against the Planned Parenthood video? What are they saying? They're doing something that's illegal in in recording, which is selling baby parts, right? Right. That's But what is the argument against the video? I'm saying when people they selectively edited it. So they said they selectively edited it and then it didn't appear uh in the video and then when the full video footage was released the arguments that I saw was well no one's going to watch 12 hours of footage. It's kind of I mean that happened with me one time much if you want to get to the truth of

40:52something that's really important right. Yeah. But that's the whole point. So if you selectively edit it they say you edit it. If you put up the full footage like well you're hiding behind the fact that you know no one's going to watch that. Okay. But if someone does watch the full 12 hours is it does it appear like it did in the edited video? cuz I watched the edited video and I thought like wo this is kind of crazy. They're talking about it like how does she describe it as like line items? Yes. And I was like man that seems like really inhuman. You're talking about fetus parts and that they can adjust their process in order to get more intact video. And then the other really disturbing thing about the video was when they reach into the pile of baby parts and they're pulling out arms and they're they're literally pulling you see little baby arms like and I'm

41:35pro-choice. I think you should be able to do whatever the you want up to a point. And I think it's one of those things in life that there is a gray area. And I think I'm pro-choice if it's a a bunch of cells. I'm pro-choice if it's, you know, a cluster of cells the size of a walnut. But I think once it once it becomes a human being like you're looking at a little tiny human being that's inside someone's body. I don't know what the call is. I don't know the legislation is they want to have abortions up to 22 weeks. What is 22 weeks? 48 Jesus. Yeah. That's Wendy Davis uh and all of that's what they're pushing for and they want it to be, you know, and they want it to be taxpayer funded. That's the deal that people have a problem with. You know, there you have some people who are pro-life on principal. And then you have some people who say, "I I still should

42:20never have to pay for an abortion, and you should never be able to force an employer to pay for an abortion." 42 weeks is 22. 22 weeks. Jesus Christ. That's kind of Yeah. Past 3 months. That's what they want legally. 3 months is weird because it's like it can't it's not viable outside of the womb, but when you look at it, it looks like a fetus. But so see that's the thing that the left has a real issue with because they don't want there's there's no open discussion. There's no objectivity. There's no when it comes to this like you are either hands off my vagina. Exactly. It's either like you are pro-choice or you are some barbarian who's pro-life and you want to with people's bodies and you want to stand outside of abortion clinics with signs and show show aborted fetuses. But I'm not saying that. I'm I am pro-choice. So, I think you should be able I'm not the person to tell you what

43:08you can or can't do with your body, but what we're looking at is a baby. Well, it's Yeah. What it is, it comes down to the irony of the left saying the right is anti-science. And you have well-known atheists, even like Christopher Hitchens. And Dawkins isn't pro-life, but he kind of slipped up where they admitted that it was ending a life. Christopher Hitchens is like, I think absolutely, undoubtedly, it's a life. And he walked people through it. And then, of course, he became hated by the left and a bigot and a racist. So people who claim that the right are anti-science when it comes to abortion, they want abortions past a point where there's no doubt that scientifically um that is much more than a cluster of cells. I got solved in this. I got into it with this comedian online from England because um Dawkins had said something that like uh a a fetus or an

43:52embryo is no is has just as much in common with a human being as a a pig embryo or something like that or is no different than a pig embryo. I forget how he worded it, but I was like, well, that's just disingenuous because obviously a human embryo is going to become a human if you don't snuff it out. A pig embryo is a pig. This goes back to the same thing in political, you know, political correctness and standup or cultural Marxism. It's the same thing. It's not, hey, you can have a reasonable position. You can argue being pro-life and I can say, okay, I see where you're coming from. It's you had to control her uterus. Well, what I was going to say is that this guy started saying I was rightwing. He was like saying you're you're rightwing and this is I'm not and I'm pro-choice. I'm saying like right now that is going to be a baby. You can't say that's the same as a fig as a

44:39pig cuz it's not. It's And he was like, "It's no," that was the other argument. He was like, "It's no different than a seed." I go, "It's not a seed." I go, "Cuz a seed needs to be germinated. A seed, you need to put it in the ground. It needs to be watered and then it sprouts and then becomes a plant." This is something that's going it's already growing. It's it's this is a seed is the egg. Okay? That's the egg inside of a woman's body. No one's saying you can't take eggs out of your body. I'm not even saying you can't have abortions, but let's be honest about what it is. It is a fetus or an embryo or whatever you want to call. I mean, there's a certain amount of weeks where it becomes scientifically considered a fetus, but you know, I'm not I'm not a right-wing guy in a but I don't like the distinctions, man. I don't like you as that way. That's the problem. I don't

45:23think so. I think I'm more people see me as being a liberal hippie than see me cuz I smoke pot and I have tattoos and I encourage people. Yeah. But I think pro I'm progay rights. I'm pro- gay marriage. I'm pro-choice. There's I'm I'm pro a lot of things that are a lot of put it this way. There are a lot of people in the Republican party who are that way. Certainly the libertarian wing, certainly people who would pull the lever for that. There is no one on the Democratic platform, no one who would even allow you that inch that you just expressed. No one running for president. They wouldn't even give you that time of day. It's abortion on demand for free at any point. That's their mantra. And they can't stray from it. And that's just that, you know, that's always where I try and speak with people. Oh, right-wing douchebag. Oh gosh, I just got echo. I don't know if the word

46:09douchebag was a trigger for the microphone. Did it echo? I didn't hear it. I mean, it's your own head in your own head. Rightwing douchebag. Such a trigger. You got triggered yourself. It's one of those things. You know, I've been called a racist my whole anytime you've come out of the closet. I've been banned from college. You are white. No, I've said some I've made racist jokes. I ended my set. The reason Tony Kamacho signed me was I ended my set on the n-word er stuck the landing. Good night everyone. Walked off and he was going, "Okay, I want to hear more." Okay. In all fairness, Tony Kamacho not not the best judge of standup. I know. Well, he's I don't want to say that guy. Well, I slept on his couch and stuff for a while. Very nice guy. Yeah. But my point is, you know, if you pull that out now, if you pull that out now, it's I mean, if I didn't have my own independent

46:57thing going, you end someone's career. Have you ever said the nword? Like Pauline, the deposition was, "Have you ever said the n-word?" Anyone who's anyone who's who's who would sing along to a run DMC album would have to answer yes. They didn't ask the context. And that's where we are. Anything I think Run DMC used they didn't I think you're thinking like NWA maybe. I don't know. I mean, it's in their name. I know Kanye does. He's a douchebag, but he's a brilliant MC. Yeah. Okay. He got a couple good songs. He does. Yeah. All right. Sorry. What are we going to say? You were going to say something about Tony. Do I know what? No. No. I'll tell you that later. Tell you that. He's a nice guy. I like Tony. Yeah. Always been a nice guy. He's always been a nice guy. My point is, you know, I was 17 and he, you know, brought I would have said, I want to hear more.

47:38I want to hear more. I'm not not exactly sure if that that's the best way to end your set. The reason was the bit was, and I've talked about it, and I I'll even do it here. I talk about it and open about it was uh it was a bit about French Canadians watching rap videos. So, you have these French Canadians who are trying to mimic urban accents from the United States. and to the point where you would have them use words they had seen in rap videos they didn't even grasp the meaning and so I did it was a whole bilingual set of using French words and merging it with English and white kids using the n-word and walking off and it was kind of a shock but really funny cuz everyone had heard it and that's how I ended it that's how I got the just for laughs too speaking of the n-word did you hear that Trevor Noah is a joke thief guy's a joke thief like straight up that the South African the

48:16guy was the new host of the Daily Show did a show recently um I forget what it was for but it wasn't a broadcast show and He did an old Dave Chappelle bit. For a Dave Chappelle bit, I want to say from like the early 2000s, like one of his early specials. And I mean, moved it around a little bit, but it's the same joke. I mean, verbatim. Thank god you didn't get on stage with him at the comedy store. Get on stage with him at the comedy store. Oh, Trevor Noah. Why? Oh, the Mensia thing. I remember, you know, actually funny. I watched that and you know who I called? I don't know if you're still with her. was with Tony Kamacho and I had a meeting with Stacy Mark. Yeah. Because you mentioned her and I was like, "Oh, that must be my agent." She's still my agent. She became my agent 5 minutes after that happened. Yeah. Because my agent at the time was the same agent as been seeing. They

49:05wanted me to apologize to him. Yeah, I remember. And that's why I just I just had a list of going down. That's what's weird. I was nervous coming in here because, you know, when I was at Fox News, um I was there for four and a half years and I went on air, you know, for the first time. I had never seen any of these people. I don't I'd never had cable. We didn't get Fox News in Montreal. So, I kind of went in and wasn't Starruck. I've been watching you since I was like 10. I mean, Dave Foley is a national hero. It's a national treasure. News Radio, UFC, I've been following for a long time. So, it's, you know, you have to make sure that you're still yourself in the face of someone who, you know, the one time I got really starruck was Clint Eastwood. And there's a certain level of fame with which I'm no longer comfortable and I just made an ass out of myself. Yeah, that's a level

49:43like where you go, if I ever met Clint Eastwood, I'd probably be a babbling idiot, too. I was outlaw Josie Wales, dude. It's tough to get past. Well, that's what do you say to him? Like, I love doing every which way but loose. What do you pick? That's a good one. That was a good one. I don't know how they turned that around. You're the dog and give him some knuckles. Well, he said to me, he turns around and he kind of saw was looking at him and I don't You never want to be that guy to bother him and you I'm Clint and put out his hand like Yeah. He doesn't have to say that. No, I know. But he does. Yeah. It's well like you kind of I I guess a lot of those really really famous guys they kind of have to do that because they don't want to assume that you know who they are even though they do know that you know who they are. So it's kind of like a common courtesy thing to ask your name

50:23instead of saying what's your name? Nice to meet you buddy. Like you know who I am you know. What's your name? Steve. Steve Crowder. All right. Nice to meet you. You want to hear a funny Clint Eastwood story? Yes. Okay. So this is true. Does it have to do with the Obama sit down thing at the No. No it doesn't. Well a little because it was at this kind of thing with uh conservatives in the entertainment industry. So it's very small and closed circuit and everyone it's small enough that people introduce themselves like hey you know I'm Steer comedian you know writer blah blah blah Fox News hey I'm so and so director and Clint Eastwood everyone knows he's there stands up and he goes hi I'm Clint former mayor of Carmel that's true it's not it's not untrue and if you want to be a mayor of a place that's a spot that's a beautiful place God have you ever been to Carmel

51:08the closest event is like to Santa Barbara And I've I've been through it on the way up. You know, you got to keep going. Carmemell is on the way up to uh it's it's right next to Big Su. It's like maybe a half hour from Big Su. it's beautiful up there. That might be one of the most beautiful spots in this country. Have you ever been in Northern Michigan? Yeah, I've been in Northern Michigan. Like north of Traverse City? Um I've been to Olivet. You know where Olivet is? Yeah. No, you've got to I mean it's been actually rated most beautiful area in the country for a few years running. Yeah. Leon County. So, it's like uh it looks like the Mediterranean, you know, vineyards rolling down to water that's crystal clear. No sharks, a little bit of lamp rays. Um, and it's just gorgeous up there. Yeah, there's some Well, there's some beautiful spots in this country,

51:50obviously. But what I was saying is that Carmel is just it's a really unusual area. There's not a lot of people there. It's like it's like the land like there's the water and then it doesn't go in that deep, you know, the deep into the into the mainland. It's just stunning, stunning countryside and beautiful views of the ocean. Well, that's where they did Play Misty for me. Oh, yeah, that's right. What beats the hell out of that broad? He's probably been going up there for a long time. That's a Do you watch He just beats the hell out of her. You can't do that anymore. You can't. But it's just I remember watching it for the first time like, "Oh, this is pretty good." And he just comes in the hell do you want just starts whailing on him like, "Oh my god." You know, like in in the Dirty Harry films, you're just punching some prostitute with an afro and you're like,

52:31you can't like blowing him away with his 44 Magnum. You can't do any of that stuff anymore. You couldn't make Blazing Saddles. Super hard to punch women on movies. Like that woman would have to be like a demon or something like that. And even then, even then, I don't know. Even then, they'd say it's a representation of the patriarchal society. That's right. Like Mad Max. Did you see that? Everyone the remake. Didn't see it. It wasn't bad. It was bizarre, but it was like uh all these people were saying it's this pro- feminist message because Charlie Throne kicks ass and um then the feminist said actually it's not because the real leader is a guy and it's patriarchy and all these Tumblr blogs and it's like just nothing can a gay guy the who what's his face? Tom uh what the Tom Hardy. Tom Hardy. No, it's not Tom Hardy. It was like an old gay-haired guy who was like a leader. I

53:15don't think Tom Hardy's gay. He shut down a reporter who asked him about his he said, "Oh, you asking me about sexuality." And he was like, "Just go away." Said, "It's not interesting." Yeah, that's what you say when you're gay. Yeah, I know. My rule is if a woman claims she's bisexual, like a teenager, she's trying to be cool. If the guy says it, he's gay. Oh, really? Yeah. Right. I've never met a by guy who wasn't gay. Yeah. Me neither. Yeah. I always say there's two types of dudes. There's gay dudes and then there's really gullible straight dudes who get talked into blowing crafty gay dudes like Bowie Mcjagger. Like we don't really want to do that. Bowie McJagger. David Bowie McJagger. Bowie. I thought it was like a one person. Bowie. Like who's Bowie McJagger? Yeah. It's like that stand up. What is that? Oats and garunk. Just merging names. That's funny. Although

54:02that night they got it on, they two became one. So I might have made that up about Tom Hardy. No, I think he talked about experimenting at one point, but No, then he's gay. You know that's it. What are you, a scientist? You sucking the dick with a lab coat on a beaker in your hand. What are you doing? That's not for some reason I'm picturing Beaker from the Muppets going. But back in the 70s and the 60s, I think more people did experiment that might not even be gay because there were they were breaking down so many bizarre boundaries and there was so much restriction on behavior from the McCarthy era in the 1950s and the way people behaved. It was all of a sudden everyone's doing acid and they're free love and I think there was a lot of dick sucking there that people went shouldn't have done that like they legitimately weren't gay but did some gay That's what do I know? Not a historian.

54:52We're getting off the realm of of something that we can prove. It's it's like Lavar Burton. You don't have to take my word for it. Is Lavar Burton gang? No, but I mean you ever watch that in Reading Rainbow? Do you think when he puts those things on is just dicks glued inside there? Maybe that's why we was like the kaleidoscope that Marvin Harry were looking at butts and dicks. The big kaleidoscope. No, I also remember reading Rainbow and he'd always be like, you know, this book. He'd talk about it in his little polo and his his Burger King kids club haircut and be like, "But you don't have to take my word for it." And it's like, "Okay, so we're not taking your word for it. We should take the word of a bunch of six-year-olds like I this book because and it's like how little respect do you have for your own opinion, Lavar?" Well, I think you're just being humble, right? Maybe,

55:35you know, which is generally not a quality found in the gay community. No, I don't know. They're dramatic. They have a flare for the dramatic. They do have a flare for the dramatic. That's one of the cool qualities about them. Oh, it's hilarious. Gay guy in like a disaster, like a fire drill. It's funny. I've never seen a gay guy in a disaster. I have a guy actually won't I was talking with my brother about it. Famous actor my brother works with and um he has like, you know, the earth an earthquake kit in his Do you have that in your trunk anymore? Like an emergency kit? because he had that when he was here for the big earthquakes and he was in some area where it was like really gay and he just said it was so funny. They were just running around in the streets. Oh my god, I was just gay and he's like super liberal, you know, further left than either of us and

56:15tolerant. He was just like it was just really a trip to see. Well, Milo, you think he's going to be your rock when that goes down? No, no, no, no. He'll fall apart. I don't know if he'll fall apart, but he's running into the arms of another. There's Yeah, there's going to be some issues there for sure. But, you know, that's just not his wheelhouse. His wheelhouse isn't toughening up, you know? I don't know. And riding it out, riding the storm out. That's a negative stereotype. I don't I'm a little offended. It is a negative stereotype, but the femininity of the gay male, it's very funny. And it's okay to like I I talked Well, that was I was saying at CPAC, it was like this political action conference. That's where Huffington Post said I yelled the nword and I didn't. They said I joked about raping Ashley Jud and I didn't. Wait, what was that? Why' they say that?

57:01Who said? Well, they fact check standup. This is Huffington Post. And that's why when we were talking online, So, you were doing standup there. Yeah. I was mceing a political action conference, right? And I was just doing some bits and uh one of them was in a private room. It was like a blogging awards ceremony and we had a rap video, Mr. America. We were dressed up as Thomas Jefferson and George Washington. And one of the jokes in the video, you know, it's not something you'd put on your resume, but it was uh we're bringing back knickers. It's a rap song. And then the record stops and I'm like, "No, no, I can I can say knickers because I wear knickers." And we actually had a black producer like, "Oh, okay." You know, gives us a thumbs up. We're like, "Hood pass for knickers." So, I'm fine if Post want to say, "Okay, they made a joke that's risque." And, you know, but they

57:38just said Steven Crowder yells nword to applause. Oh, Jesus Christ. Or Ashley makes rape joke about Ashley Jud. And um do you imagine? Do you I'm sorry to interrupt. Go ahead. No, no, go ahead. But that's why when you sent me them as a source, I'm going you're sending you know, today's salon is tomorrow's Huffpo. They are not the friend of stand-up comics. No. They want to destroy the voice of anyone who doesn't agree with them. And that's a lot of stand-up comedians now. And that's what's problematic. Well, what I've said about these people, and I'll continue to say it, I don't believe they're actually progressives. What I think they're doing is they're mining the world of ideas, and they're looking for things that they can attack. I don't think they really want to attack it because it makes sense. I think they're they're mining the world of ideas for the moral high

58:20ground, and they're looking to find things that they can be aggressive about and go after. And it gives them a license to be really shitty to people like you treat you treat someone's you know you paint them as subhuman you can treat them subhuman I think also it's really important if you really want to be a progressive person you really want love and acceptance in the world it's really important to not be a and there's a lot of these people like here here's something um I'm a hunter okay and when I when I hunt I sometimes put pictures of these animals online and one of the reasons why I do it I do it for a bunch of reasons one to see the reaction two be the last one I did I did as a tribute to my friend Cameron Haynes cuz I I shot an elk with a bow and arrow and he taught me how to do it and it's hard to do. The nastiest people, the meanest was vegans. I read the Sure Dog

59:08thing. They were saying I didn't read that, but there were vegans on Sher Dog. I Why do you read Sher Dog? Actually, that's how you want to know how far back it goes. I had an account before the message boards I think even existed because I was watching the highlight videos cuz I couldn't afford the pay-per-view. So when I hear Beautiful Day from you two, I still think of Sakuraba leg kicking Henzo Gracie in his beautiful trigger. But yeah, you were all over. Sure, dog. They hate you. That's fine. But the they're animals. Well, meanwhile, how many of those dummies eat meat? How many of those dummies have cats? That's my favorite one. People who have cats. You buy cat food for your cat, guess what? You're a killer, right? Because they're not getting that from a cat food tree, okay? They're grinding up animals that live a horrible life. They're living in cages and they're

59:48sucking them out of those cages, killing them in a ruthless, coste effective manner and stuffing them into a can so your little tabby can eat. Right. Plus, you still have to have a cat. Yeah, I like cats. I don't. I have a dog. I have two cat. I have dogs, too. I have a giant dog. But but my point is that some of the meanest, nastiest was being said by vegans. And I think that they have this green light to be a And I think there's a lot of people that that what they do is they find areas where they have they feel like they have the green light, you know, they they have a there's a subject, there's a an issue that's come up and they feel like all these people that went after that lion guy. Like I'm not saying you should go to Africa and kill a lion, but I don't want to go to Africa and kill I don't want to kill anything I'm not going to eat. But that guy did everything by the

60:36book, by the way. They all He killed a lion with a name was his mistake. Well, here's my favorite part of it. Not just the protest and everybody standing outside of his clinic and ruining his business, right? My favorite part was they were worried about his brother. The brother, the lion, Cecil's brother was what the was his name? I forget the brother's name, but Cecil had a brother. And the brother was also killed. And everybody was freaking out. Oh my god. And then they found out it wasn't the brother. There was just another line. And everyone was relieved. Hard to tell them apart. No name lion. So if the lion doesn't have a name, that lion ain't He's riding Cecil's coattails. See, did you read the letter from the guy from Zimbabwe? Yes. And did you see the numbers of how many people get killed by lions every year? It's like 256 a year. Did you see the

61:22ghost in the darkness? Yes, I did. That's a nightmare. It's a great movie. Val Kilmer when he was young and sleek and sexy. I know. Now I think Michael Douglas was in that movie, too. I think Al Roker is Val Kilmer in a fat suit. We haven't seen Well, Val Kilmer is slimmed down considerably from that meme. Have you seen the meme? I used to be Batman. He's got this giant Joel Joel rubber nipples batch. Yeah, he was a director. Remember when Val Kilmer was there? Ruined Batman was a good Batman though. I thought he was good. That's one of those films I went back and watched and I was like Batman and Robin was bad. That was really bad. But Batman Forever was that's still and I went back and watched it and I like I wish I would have just Who is Robin? Uh Chris O'Donnell. Oh that's whatever happened to that guy? Uh, he I think he has some show Alicia Alicia Silverstone was

62:07Batgirl, too. And then she's like a vegan pea person now. Oh, wasn't it he Chris O'Donnell with LL Cool J and some crime show? Oh, Christ. Even talking about that just dropped my IQ. That wasn't a film Renie Harland directed and he like did all those like I think he's made of milk. Yeah, there he goes. Hey guys, remember when I was Batman? I don't you know what's weird is I don't know how you let it get that far. How about Marlon Brando? You ever see On the Waterfront and then see the last days the last days of Marlon Brando? I think he's very overrated as an actor. Yeah. I I was a much bigger fan of James Dean than Marlon Brando. Well, it's a different time. But if you go to On the Waterfront and compare it to anything anybody else is doing No, I disagree. If you look and you Yeah. The perfect scene is James Dean in um Rebel Without a Cause. Um, and it's so bizarre because

62:56he was very, he was kind of like a one of the first naturalists, you know, he went and he was very, if you look the way he spoke, it was pretty natural, but everyone else in the scene was still, you know, so he's like, "Oh, mom, you're tearing me apart. Leave me alone." Well, that's a fine way to behave, young man. He got it from his mother. See, and then you go to James and he's sitting there talking and he's like, and you're like, "This is real." So, you can just see when that transition happened. And uh I think James Dean when he was alive didn't get the respect Brando did. H I don't know. I didn't really pay attention to who got respect. All right. But I thought Brando was pretty good and on the waterfront, especially in comparison to the rest of the era. You want to talk gay? Um James Dean. No. Well, yeah, but I mean the the outfit uh the wild one with Marlon Brando, the

63:40little leather mailman hat and the handkerchief. Well, you know when that became gay that became Judas Priest came around, right? That's when it became gay because because Rob Halford's gay as Well, they started out everybody dressing gay. They didn't even know they were dressing gay. They just wanted to be like Judas Priest. You got another thing coming. You think Marlin Brando would have dressed that way if he knew that was coming down the pike? I don't know. Yeah. I mean, that's got to be tough cuz you're a sex symbol and you're Marlon Brando and then like this is going to become the iconic, you know, Mr. Slave outfit. Yeah. But Marlon Brando clearly didn't give a about anything. He didn't give a about the way he looked. He didn't give a about his health. I mean, he was crazy towards the end of his life. I mean, he he was completely out of his mind. Yeah.

64:23I don't think it really mattered to him. He wasn't the same rider, I don't think, that James Dean was on a motorcycle. Really? From what I understand, James Dean was pretty Well, I actually got to um sit in, you know, there were only like something 14 cars that James Dean, the Spider Ferrari, whatever it is. I don't know a lot about cars. What it is? Porsche. Was it a Porsche? The one that killed him. Okay. Really, really low. Mhm. Well, actually what's funny is I bought my car. It was a 2003 Taurus, but it was in the back of this car shop in Dallas where this guy has done like George Bush's car. He just decks him out and he was just this old guy who was selling his old car. And uh they showed me that it was like some absurd I want I could be wrong like a million $2 million. They said James Deans was lot 13 or 14 and this was like lot 11 or 12 and it was one of those exact cars.

65:09Yeah. And I just looked at it. I'm like it's like a go-kart. You're so low to the ground that's got to be tough to control. And I mean, it's actually easier to control because it's low to the ground and it's very lightweight. Those are pretty easy to control for the time. But if you compare that to like a Boxster today, like a Porsche Boxster, it's a Boxster is way more competent car. They But those cars were 100% mechanical. When you're when you're buying a car today like that, like a Boxster, which is small, you're dealing with all sorts of traction control, stability management. There's all sorts of behind the scenes computer aided going on. uh anti-lock braking systems. There's all sorts of stuff that's happening behind the scenes. I don't I just know when I saw it, it was one of those things where that's a perfect example kind of I was my dad explained

65:54some things to me this way as a kid, right? I saw that car. I don't know a lot about cars at all. I mean, I was buying a Taurus. Um I was like, "Oh, okay. That's pretty cool." He told me, so he told me the exact same truth that he could have told you, but if you'd have seen that car, you like, "Oh my god, want to look in and be really interested in it." We both saw the same car. We both experience the same thing, but it's an entirely different experience. And that's just kind of the way the human condition which which I just find sort of fas like to me I was like oh okay that's pretty cool let me go you don't know I mean if you showed me like an old golf club or something like that I wouldn't know about it but if you showed me like an old pool queue like a balabushka from like 1965 I'd be like right you know I just I know pool cues people who don't get jiu-jitsu you know

66:36you talk to them about it and they're like you wear a little cotton belt and you're like no you don't that's one of my main things that I have to do when fights go to the ground is explain all the like if I was doing commentary and it was only black belts listening, I would my commentary would be infinitely shorter, right? Cuz uh you know, everybody would know kind of what's going on. You know, you know, triangle setups. I mean, you would be going like like when we do these fight companion podcasts, uh we do them like sometimes doing with Eddie Bravo and when we're watching situations, we're talking about like some guy going for, oh he's going for the arm bar. Oh, like we know I don't have to say what he's got to do now. He's got to be careful the left arm. If he gets the left arm past a certain position, then it's now he's not in danger because it's past the elbow.

67:16Like, so there's a whole what I'm trying to do when I'm doing commentary for the UFC when the fights go to the ground is help people that I know are watching this to just see a jumble of bodies. Yeah. Well, even sport jiu-jitsu for people who do jiu-jitsu is not very entertaining, especially with the ghee. With the ghee, it's a real problem. It's a real problem. Boring as Do you think it's gotten to the point? My dad and I were talking. I mean, my dad's actually purple belt and he um That's pretty cool. He's 55. He started in his 50s. That's awesome. And he actually hasn't had a point scored against him. Really? You're a big guy. He's probably a giant, huh? Yeah. Well, he played hockey at U of M. He's a real athlete and he's stayed in shape. So, we actually I could bring up a I'll show you a video afterward, but so he's competed all the way through blue to get

67:54his purple. Not even had a point scored against him. Wow. And um his thing though is very strong takedowns, top control, pass. And uh in practice, he'll roll with guys who are doing the reverse deaha and all this stuff. And my dad and I believe and I don't know if you think somebody did taekwondo taekwondo at one point where there was some combat relevance and then when you get into the Olympic it's really not anymore. I feel like sport jiu-jitsu has gone in that direction where you have a guy who can be the best in the world in a 125 division with a ghee who would get his ass kicked by a hockey player in a street fight. And to me you sort of lost not if the hockey player weighed 125 lbs. Well a hockey player getting started at 200 you know is is my point. My dad when he got started he would pull a ghee over their head cuz that was a hockey thing and like you you can do

68:40Darin you can do so but why can't you do that? I think geese are stupid. I mean if you can take the collar if you can take someone's uh the bottom of the jacket and wrap it all the way around his neck. Why can't you uh pull it over the head? Stupid. I mean and that's the thing is is is it's a weird situation getting into it and it's no longer really combat relevant. And we have a lot of guys who are, you know, the CrossFit thing and all this ridiculous sort of strength training that's come into it and they're just they never get strong and I'm going, you know, life. What do you mean with the CrossFit thing? They don't get strong. What do you mean? No cross. Well, you should have Mark Ripto on. He'll he'll talk about that. I mean, with with strength training, you need linear progression that's measurable when you're starting guy like you, right? You can do anything now and you're going to

69:20because you have a strength base. Someone who's never lifted heavy weights and added five pounds incrementally is not going to get a lot out of battle ropes and snatches for five minutes. He's not going to get a lot out of it. He needs to increase his maximum strength. So, we have kids come in like, "No, man. I saw this. This is what I'm doing. It's the new strength thing." They never get stronger. They never get bigger. And I we started and my dad is still of this philosophy. You start because you want to be a sovereign man. You want to be able to defend yourself. And if you're at a point where you you you double guard pole and you reverse de la and and you're no longer able to actually protect yourself. I don't know. I feel like it's lost. I mean Hoy Gracie is a good example. You know, he wouldn't do well in sport jiu-jitsu, but he was big enough. He was strong enough to get it

70:02done and protect himself and win altercations. Well, the game has passed him by in in a lot of ways. But I think that there are a lot of guys in sport jiu-jitsu that would do great like Cyborg, you know, you know, look at Ryan Hall right now on the show. Yeah. Great. Yeah. I roll with him when I was a white belt. Yeah. No, he's a badass. There's a lot of really great jiu-jitsu guys, but I I agree with you like 50/50 Guard. There's a lot of silly that that guys are doing that just doesn't seem like it's also kind of boring to watch in a in a lot of ways. But then there's like no gi like Eddie Cumins, guys like Gary Tonin who are like super aggressive, very, you know, submission, hyper aggressive. There's a lot of guys Marcelo Garcia, very aggressive, submissionoriented, attacking style. So there's there's going to be guys like in the Taekwondo days that just play point

70:54style, but there's there was always guys back then that were terrifying because they would knock guys dead. You know, even during my taekwond do competition days, I remember there's this guy from the Ivory Coast that everybody was terrified of. His name was Patrice Remark because his style of attacking was so much different than everybody else is. Everybody else was playing this sort of not everybody, but a lot of people were playing this sort of point game. And this dude was just like shredded black guy from the Ivory Coast kick through you. Why is that from Africa? He's in Africa. Africa's He could be white guy. A white guy from Africa. That accent almost seems fake. The South African accent. Black from Africa. Yeah, that What are they? They They're like It's like a Dutch thing, right? They were Dutch settlers that came to South Africa, right? The South

71:39African almost sounds like they're faking an Australian accent. Like a bad comic. Like I'm Australian, right? You're like, that's not real. It's like, oh, it's just South African. Well, that's when we saw the two collide on Lethal Weapon. Remember Mel Gibson had at it with the the apartheid guy? The aparttheid. What did he call them? Keer. What is he? This wasn't the first one, was it? This was like No, it was down the line. But they had a like he was like Danny Glover was a black guy. He had a a bad name for black guys. Danny Glover's too old for that You know, he is too old for that I just It's one of those like when you go back and watch it and you realize that Mel Gibson is crazy, you go back and watch those and you can kind of see the flashes, you're like, "Oh, yeah, that makes sense." But do you think that Mel Gibson got crazy or do you think he always was crazy? No, I think I I

72:26mean I've spoken actually with some people who worked in the Passion of the Christ and I think he got so much heat for that. Um I mean you talk about sort of like social justice warriors. He got so many people who went after him and I just don't think he was expecting or used to that kind of pressure. I think have you ever heard his the voicemails? Oh yeah. To me that is the funniest thing I've ever heard in my life. Well it's funny to me but it's sad because he's an old guy. He's dating this Russian assassin, you know, and she's stealing his and making babies. And the thing that's so funny to me is he's like off-the-wall angry, right, for people who haven't heard it. Shut up and blow me because I deserve it. But then he goes, he starts yelling, my friend. And I I said, "Okay, listen. Listen." And I ceue it up. I let people listen for context. I go, "This is the funniest

73:10thing you'll ever hear." And no one laughs except for me and my producer, Gay Jared, where he's like, "You have no soul. You have no soul. But I will give you one more chance. And I don't know why. I just find like anyone who's been through a breakup where you're like, I want to tell her off, but I want to make it work. I want to sell it. I will give you one more chance, but I will give you one more chance. And she goes, I don't want another chance. What? I don't want what? It just goes crazy. And to me, it's just like the pain. Do I think it was horrible the things he said? Yeah. But anyone who's been in like one of those horrible breakups and you feel like you're not being heard has felt that anger and then he tries to pull it back. I will give you one more chance. He needs better friends. Well, Robert Downey is his best friend. Really? Yeah. They're close friends. Robert Downey Jr.

73:56That's what he said. Yeah. He came out and introduced him at some award thing. H interesting. Wonder if Robert Downey Jr. hates the Jews as well. I don't think I'll come out and say it cuz Mel Gibson, you just get a couple cocktails into him and apparently he just starts hating the Jews. Just the cocktails that make him hate the Jews. Well, no, but that's what gets it out of him. This uh people that got him pulled over in Malibu, the cops that pulled him over were saying he's just spouting out all this anti stuff. They called the one cop sugar. Oh, right. I don't know. I don't know why. I find it really funny. I know it's terrible and people have pulled this up against me as example of being racist. I just find that pain funny because everyone's felt it and then he tries to pull it back. I will give you one more chance. I don't know why in my head it is funny.

74:46Think about the pain of everything you just said. You hope she gets raped by a pack of nwords and all. Oh, that's right. I forgot about that part. That a a pack of wild nwords, right? Wasn't it like they're just roaming wild like that's what they do? Yeah. like like lions. And then but you know what though, the crazy thing is you don't know that he hates black people. No, he could have like you know um Michael Richards. Well, he's in those movies with Danny Glover. They seem to get along wonderfully. Well, and that's one thing I've talked about with people. People go, "Oh, you're going to say have a black friend." Now, here's here's the thing. If you have a lot of black friends, do you have black friends over for dinner? Do I? Aside from Tony Kamacho? Yes. Uh yeah, plenty of black friends. Okay. But the last time a black guy was over your house for dinner. Probably been a while.

75:34You're coming back telling me about some black guy shot someone at the comedy store. You can put me in the hot seat. Will you leave the black guy home for dinner? Well, I don't know. What' you feed him? Was it grass-fed? Did you feed him grass-fed? Grass-fed? I don't know. Otherwise, I don't know. I just like bring out the cornfed steak. He's a negro. I mean, what do you think steak? You want the grass-fed beef? I play, but I eat cornfed beef, too. Really? Yeah. It's not bad. It's fatty. Sometimes it tastes delicious. I've got nice cornfed prime rib. I don't have the Joe Rogan salary, so it's mostly cornfed. Well, the prime is grass-fed that much more expensive. Oh my gosh, it's so much money. You make some money. Although I've been think I've never hunted, but I was my uncle-in-law has a cider mill up in Northern Michigan and um all the deer just keep eating his apples. So he was

76:15like, "Listen, I have a permit something absurd. I don't know the number, like to kill like five a month or something cuz they're just constantly eating his apples." Like, "You want to come up?" And I was like, I mean, I'm not a hunter, but I could literally just sit there in a lawn chair with my 357, take a couple of them out while they're eating some Fujis. And uh 357. Yeah, they changed the law. You can hunt with handgun cartridges. Yeah, but you don't want to. You actually 357 out of a rifle. Okay. Has ballistics that are higher than mid-c caliber rifle stuff. Well, the rifle is just more accurate is what I'm saying. Yeah. Out of a 6in barrel handgun, 357, you're actually going to get really surprising ballistics. But you have to be really close. They're going to come up and they're going to eat a Red Delicious right in front of I'll be in a lawn chair with a probably from me to you.

76:54These things love the apples. That's the point. That close. Yeah, they just eat the apples. They go nuts. I'm peeing all over the cider orchard property cuz apparently it helps. And he's just like, "Listen, you want to kill them?" I know a guy who will process them right down the road. It's delicious meat. Especially if they're I just don't know how to cut out the anus. That's not hard. It's It makes me nervous. If you know how to operate a microphone, you can figure that out. I don't think I've done a stellar job of that today. I'm not used to the So not hard. But um yeah, gutting them, it just get you get used to it, becomes normal. You understand where to go and how to cut around and Well, they've opened it up in Michigan because it's just a real problem. They're eating everything. We pulled it up the other day. Um there was a number of the amount of driving accidents involving deer.

77:38Deer hit in Michigan and it was like 40,000. Yeah. What? Pull that up again, Jamie. I That's why I won't ride the motorcycle in the out there in any rural area with a deer. It's insane. Yeah. I mean, people who live in urban environments, they get upset at hunting. They don't understand. You you literally don't understand. These animals have vastly overpop populated to the point where they bring in hunters in in suburban Pennsylvania because they have no they have no limits. You can shoot as many as you want all day long, all year long. And they they bring people in just to try in a lot of parts of Pennsylvania. Um, I don't know specifically which counties, but I know that these guys that I know that are bow hunters, they fly them out to Pennsylvania and they film shows where they're they're essentially in these people's yards and they're they have they set up tree stands and I'm not

78:24kidding. It's a nice yard, but suburban neighborhood, nice street, big houses. It is it's a it's a home like that's got like several acres, like two or three acres, and they're they have tree stands set up and they're just just killing as many deer as walk their way. I can imagine. Yeah. And they have to because the driving accidents are crazy. So many people hit them. Yeah. I just 357 is my my gun. That's your gun of choice. Why is that? Uh you know, sounds good. No. Yeah, it sounds No, you know what? A 357 handgun out of a 4-in barrel is going to have better ballistics than any other caliber uh for self-defense. And the reason why is I have a giant bucket of 38 and giant bucket of 37s with lever action rifles, different handguns, and my wife doesn't need to worry about what goes into where. M. So, we've got quite and I have a beautiful like almost collector's item, an old 357

79:14Smith and Wesson. That's an old one from where? Smith and Wesson. It's like an eight maybe. I mean, where 81? It's not that I mean, but it's before they have the um the internal lock and it's nickelplated. It's just just a beautiful It's my favorite. Like the trigger on that thing is just butter smooth. Here's a number. Average of 134 deer vehicle crashes each day. Holy Holy That's 2012 resulted in 1,329 injuries and eight deaths. Wow. Just kill those things. Yeah. Well, they're they're food, you know. That's the thing about them, you know. I had a joke about you should. It's not it's not bad. It's fun to do. They want to say that it's People don't want to say it's fun for some reason. I don't understand that. Like it's ethical and it's fun. Like it is fun. Why deny that it's fun? It's fun and it's productive. Yeah, it is definitely productive. Certainly more productive

80:14than shooting at the range. Well, it's especially if you want to eat healthy meat that's natural and organic and especially if you want to help control the population of these animals and because there's only one other way. You going to bring in wolves? What are you going to do? Bring in mountain lions and have them run through the streets of Pennsylvania? Come on. I mean, you don't really have a lot of other options for controlling the populations of these animals. We had a bobcat in our yard and uh Hopper, our dog, like went after that thing. They're cool looking. They're cool. They look weird, right? You can't catch it, but you would have messed it up. I had one of those in my yard once. It was the weirdest thing. I was like, "What is that cat?" They have like the Wolverine kind of thing. They have like the tips of their ears are like weird looking. I

80:52was like, "What is that?" Yeah, it's very strange looking. Their back legs look longer than they should be. Yeah. It's a weird sort of It's a It's a weird sort of body dynamic, but uh yeah, our dog went nuts for it. And if he if he'd have been able to catch it, he would have killed it. He would have killed it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, how big is your dog? He's a dog Argentino. So Oh, okay. That's a big dog. Yeah. Well, I think Ronda Rousey has one. He's a little bigger. He was a rescue. That's, you know, that's another thing for perfect example of leftists in animal rights. Like we have a rescue. Came to us with a broken leg, balding, Lyme disease, you know, he wasn't the perfect dog. We've basically brought him back to health. I volunteered at shelters, helped with them. But you know what I also tell people? If you have kids, you probably shouldn't adopt a dog. You

81:38probably should get it from a puppy and raise your kids and know about that dog. Yeah, it's he's perfect for us. He's a little bit racist. I'm not going to lie. I don't know. I And he's a white dog. He's stark white. Dog is racist. Well, you know what's funny? He loves black men. Uh older women towards black boys. Black boys. Like 12-year-old black boys. He just he just like he's just a little leery. Specifically them. And he's not aggressive. So you just But you just see he wants to be pet by everyone. He's the most friendly, pack- ranted dog. Younger black boys, he's like, "No." Wow. And he's all white. So that's all There are a lot of dogs that are sketchy as hell around kids. I had a friend who had a pitbull that was really sketchy around kids. And it's just he had never been around kids and kids to him looked like little animals. Like he didn't understand what they were. Well, it's

82:22unstable. Yeah. Our dog actually um Hopper he's uh if my wife and I argue at all or for ranting about our day like I have to be careful when I do the radio show he'll sit in the corner look in the corner and shake. He gets upset. He get but he'll actually shake. Oh. So like he was abused. He just when we pulled out a musket for a video like a never before in front of him. He pulled it out barking like crazy showing his foaming at the mouth with the musket. So we don't know. You know you're No. Oh, and if you're a kid and you're pulling, "Hey, Cap. Oh my god." You know, it's like the woman who had her face ripped off. I had a um female rescue dog that you if you raised your voice, she would just drop to the ground and cower. Like you couldn't say, "What are you doing over there?" She would just She had been beaten. And the other dogs that I had from the time they were puppies like,

83:06"What the going on with her? Jesus Christ." Do you know how this house works? Like Well, that's the whole thing. It's like Yeah, exactly. You have to um Well, we actually tried to rescue another dog and a lady wouldn't give it to us because she found out my politics. True story. Oh, come on. I swear to you. What? Yeah. Come on. Really? Yeah. The dog's name is Mr. Big. I wonder how Well, she's probably a crazy But she she was she was a super hippie and she was looking for a reason. And so like it was this shelter where you have to go in for a whole like weekend and learn all these dogs. So it was actually where I ended up volunteering and this one dog everyone was scared of. He was like an American bulldog mix. So he was about 120 pounds called Mr. Big. And he would just foam at the mouth and be barking at the, you know, at the um what do you call it? Fence. Yeah. But they

83:52all have their own individual runs in this one. And you just go in, he's just excited. So no one wanted to take him out. He was just great. And um what really got her mad was we had to watch like this dog training video and it was like how to learn dog body language. And you know a little like writing comes in like an early '90s VHS. And I went out and she's like what did you think of the what did you think of the source material? I said, "You got to love that early '90s Save by the Bell font, right?" She like wrote something down and she was furious because you made fun of the font. I don't know. I just know I didn't get the dog. Like that dog could have had a house. We're happy with our dog. But it, you know, it breaks my heart to think of him. But it How do you know that it was about your politics then? That's what she Well, she said because when there was no valid reason

84:33um because we know the owner of that place, she said, "Uh, well, I just, you know, I get I get to choose who gets what dog and that's just he's just not the right dog for them. I wouldn't give them any dog is what she said. I wouldn't give them any dog. Well, how did she know? Did she like Google you and Yeah. Well, I came in and the guy who owns it is a was a fan. He's just like this multi-millionaire who's just kind of a fan and I think he probably let her know or something and she was Oh, so he's a fan of yours, but she works for him and she's not a fan, but she gets the ultimate decision. He's very handsoff with that. Yeah. Wow. How weird. He's a great guy. He's a great guy actually. this multi-millionaire and uh people just hate him where we are and you just meet him and he's like he's made all of his money. What's crazy and this is sort of something we don't tell

85:15kids. I talk with with people about this. We say, "Well, what do you want to be? I want to be a firefighter. I You need to ask him what kind of a lifestyle do you want to live?" Cuz this guy's made all of his money off of burger patty machines. You know, slicing burger patty machines and multi like no kid goes, "I want to make burger patty machines." But the, you know, do you say, "Hey, you want to never have a boss and have a bank account with tens of millions of dollars? That sounds pretty good. Burger patty machines." Well, this guy's already got the market cornered, though. Maybe tell him something else. Yeah. You You know, I don't know. Hot dog machines. I mean, how many more people can make burger patty machines? Imagine if you come along with a new one. You know, he'll box you out of the business. He probably, listen, it's the 1%, kid. Yeah. Listen,

85:54I got this market coed. Maybe you need to make hot dog machines. Well, you know, it's a perfect example. He's rich. We're supposed to hate him. He's a great guy and he's been, you know, he runs this giant non-kill dog shelter and he's just like, but everyone just hates him. Okay. You some people, yeah, you're supposed to hate wealthy folks that are famous or that are successful. Unless they're actors. Unless they're actors, then you're not Well, actors talk about the wealthiest 1% and you know, they go out and they talk about the people, but they don't they are they are the 1% in a lot of ways. Well, you're the one you're the top 1% of the top 1% of 1%. Well, here's what's really crazy. If you make more than $34,000 a year, you're in the 1% of the world. Yeah. You know what you're 1% in the United States? What? 500,000 annual family income. You know what's top 10%? What? 150,000 annual

86:39household income. Whoa. So, we're actually have we have a video going up uh right now at the site today. We're actually launching an AR-15 giveaway and we have a video on Bernie. Yeah, we're giving them away, folks. Sorry. Can I use your show to play AR-15s? Yeah. Do you believe in background checks? You think? Yeah, we do all that. Actually, it's done through AR-15.com and they sell custom Well, of course. doing it legally. You have to have background checks. Your politics. Do you think that Well, there are background checks. Yes. Right. That's fine. You don't have a problem with the gun show loophole. What's that? Is that what you're talking about? The gun show loophole. What gun show l Oh, well that's an that is an interesting loophole. You know, you can sell guns to people. Well, explain the gun show loophole for people who don't understand. It's just, you know, they

87:18say with a background check at a gun show, there's a loophole and you can get a gun without a background check. Here's the thing. I think it was Charles Cook who was on uh one of those cable news networks. Sorry, I have to burp. We might have to go. Go ahead. Go ahead. I don't have a cough button. Hearly quiet burp. Yeah, this show is real as dude. We don't We don't believe in c We're going to And actually, we're going to probably put a cough button. Are we going to do we decide that yet? We didn't really decide. We're thinking about putting a cough button in the next studio. That helps me zero right now. Sorry. Yeah, just talking. My thing is with the gun issue, what people don't It's about the the intrinsic right to self-preservation. Mhm. So, a good example is, you know, I have a you asked me if I did standup. I don't do a ton of it anymore, but I have one next week.

87:59Um, when I do any live performance now, there has to be armed security in some kind of a gate. It's just the way it is. Same thing with someone like Anne Coulter, Milonopoulos. You don't just get to go up and do standup anymore. But Milo does, he shows up at walks. Yeah, I do that, too. But that's different from an announced show on a schedule where people can, you know, can show up and know that you're going to be there. So, you have arm security always at all of your shows? If I do it? Yeah. Why is that? Because of the crazy death threats. And I I don't talk about it a lot cuz you never want to be the person like Lena Dunham. I got a death threat cuz I showed my nipple. It's like legit when you question Islam and you do those videos and you're on Car's watch list. You have to be careful. Well, you did a video that was pretty ballsy where you showed the actual history of

88:42Muhammad. Yeah. As opposed to the history of Jesus. Like the difference between the Christian religion and the Islamic religion. Right. It's pretty pretty ballsy. And when you did that, is that when It was before that, that was a sequel. That was the Quran Challenge 2. And um I remember this was before I was at Fox News. I called Andrew Breitbart, the first one, and I put it up. I'm going, "This is there's some there's some backlash, Andrew. Can you help me?" He goes, "I'm going to get it to the online guy at Fox." And he said, "When you're dead, it's a story, kid." And he hung up the phone. What? That's what he said. That's what he said. Yeah, that's rude. the second one. But I mean, even you as someone who doesn't subscribe to either faith, you know, my whole point is you can point to imperfect people on any side of the spectrum, but go to the founders and

89:23there's a huge difference with Muhammad. So, we actually showed um, you know, what a six-year-old, nine-year-old girl looks like, who his wife was. It's not the same as a 14-year-old, which was normal. Well, you showed a girl that was actually older than his wife. Yes. Yeah. And I was way younger. Is that what you showed? I think so. She was like 10, actually. Her dad is a brilliant jiu-jitsu guy who runs a school in Dallas. It's kind of up when you you stop and think about the history of a lot of religious stories. I mean, if you you go back and think about what was acceptable, you know, 2,000 years ago, 1,000 years ago, 1500 years, whatever it was, it's it's you're talking about a completely different era, you know, and that's one of the problems with enforcing a lot of religious scripture today, you know, like there's many things that people do in the Bible. My

90:10favorite is religious people that get tattoos. And I'm like, like if you're a Christian, you get a tattoo. You just you got to read the whole book, okay? Because you're not supposed to get tattoos. Well, no. They would say they would argue that Christ came to, you know, change law and abolish law so they're not beholden to some of like the dietary laws or the fabric laws. Bacon. Bacon. Yeah, exactly. That's fabric. The fabric law fabric laws. Do you understand why those have two different types of cloth? Do you understand why that exists? Uh, I would assume the fabric law has to do with the people that were constructing the fabrics back then. that they had like gang wars between silk and cotton. No. Uh kind of. But what it was a big reason for that you have certain laws that were applicable to everyone like the Ten Commandments. Um and then you had laws that were designed to separate the

90:51Jewish people. That's like a team jersey cuz everyone else is doing this. So your beard's going to be this way, your fabric's going to be this way. And so that's where brilliant theologians far smarter than myself will say, "Well, this is why these laws apply and these laws don't." But my point is I don't have a problem with, you know, like Tom Cruz, I haven't when he would like he jumped on a couch. I I I don't really care. He's a little nutty. Whatever. Um what does that have to do with religion? Well, Scientology. Everyone's going Scientology messed up his brain. Jumping on the couch. Did you think Well, my point is a lot of people said, you know, Scientologyy's messed him up. I don't have a problem with Scientology. I don't have a problem with Buddhism, Hinduism. I don't. There is one religion right now in this world. One religion where over 300 million people right now on earth

91:30deserve that believe that you deserve to die if you leave the Islamic faith. They these are the people who will answer yes. When you say if someone converts from Islam, do they deserve to be executed? Yes. Over 300 million people in the world right now. So when you say it's like the small minority, it's because you live this privileged life, ironically enough, in the United States, and you're not acknowledging the founder of the faith, what his callings were, and how every Islamically country acts. It's not the same thing. It's not the same as any other religion. And that's what I was pointing to. You can find hypocrites. You can find crazy Scientologists. You can find crazy Christians. But don't look to Christians. Look to Christ. And you may not like Christ. You may think he's weird. Don't look to Muslims because you have Muslim refugees now going into Germany, Syrian refugees who want

92:15welfare dollars for cigarettes. That's not Muslim. Look to Muhammad. Muhammad did kill. Muhammad did call for the deaths of Christians and Jews. Muhammad did screw a six maybe nine-year-old girl. He beat her, but only lightly so you couldn't see bruises if she was dressed up as a ninja. That's not hard to do. These are different things, and people need to acknowledge it. And the left that labels me a racist, that labels you right-wing because you have a different opinion and you go off the reservation, all of a sudden just completely ignores that and sort of accepts it as as cultural relativity. Well, you don't really understand the reason a woman needs four witnesses when she's had the the crap raped out of her. We're going to ignore that. And talk about some people here who are pro-life cuz their hands are on your uterus. And that's what bothers me. Well, I get

92:56bothered by any ideology that's rigid. anytime you have to subscribe to a bunch of rules. You have to fast during a certain time of the year. You have to wear a certain outfit. The women can't drive. They're not allowed to go to school. Like any anytime you have really rigid ideologies and then those ideologies, you find out that they're ancient and they're established by a warlord. I mean, that's that's that is what Christianity that's the difference between Christianity and Islam. Like Jesus was supposed to be a man of peace and Muhammad was supposed to be a warlord. I mean that is that's he helped prophets. He waged wars. He beheaded people. He did all those things. It's a fundamental difference in the ideology and it's it's it shows itself in the behavior of the people that are a part of the ideology. In their minds this is all it's all like guaranteed in

93:46scripture. It's all in their in their eyes what they're doing is all halal. Everything is you know. Yeah. Halal. It's you know it's one of those things. It's it's also a political ideology and legal prescription. That's what people don't understand. and they go after Ben Carson and say he's a bigot. So he's black, right? All conservatives were racist. And then when Clinton announced her nomination, all conservatives became sexist. So with Ben Carson, well, he's not really racist. Well, we'll say he's a bigot because he said he thought that um he would have a problem with a Muslim president who supported the actual ideals of law in the Quran, Sharia law. And they ask him, they say, "What parts what parts do you have a problem with?" And you know, Ben Carson, he goes, "It's not unreasonable at all." goes, "Well, you know, I think that there are parts that uh are impossible to rectify with

94:25the constitution, like uh uh you know, the treatment of women, the requirement of witnesses for a female rape, the subjugation of all non-Muslims, the dimitude and the pole taxes, which of course couldn't be allowed in the United States." So, I I believe that we'd have to have a Muslim reject those precepts if they were going to be, "Oh my god, he's an anti-Muslim." Like, that's a reasonable position. It's a very reasonable position. And that his gun thing was a reasonable thing about the Nazis. Entirely reasonable. The term Islamophobe too is a very disingenuous term. Like I I that that term drives me nuts. Like if you criticize Islam, you're Islamophobic. What is a phobia? A phobia is a fear. Are you fear of irrational religions? Yes, I have a fear of those. I'm also afraid of the mooneyies. I'm afraid of uh I'm afraid of a lot of cults. Yeah. You know why? Because I don't think

95:10anybody should be able to tell you how the you should think. I think the the idea of having uh a government and having laws that are established by the people for the people that make sense that give people equal freedom that give people equal say freedom of speech freedom of religion freedom to practice whatever you feel as long as it doesn't infringe upon the rights of other people I think all those things are great. Yeah, I think as soon as you have any sort of ideologies that infringe upon those things and the fact that progressive people, which is really weird, they'll on Christians all day long and have no problem with it, but they leave Islam alone. And the reason why they leave Islam alone is because they don't want to get killed. And that's the reality. Islamophobic. Exactly. Well, that's the real Islamophobia, not criticizing it. Criticizing it is not Islamophobia. It's

95:58like it's just a legitimate criticism. It's a ridiculous idea. They're all ridiculous. I think anytime you you you buy into some rigid that was created way before people understood the world, way before people understood science, way before people understood the distance between the earth and the sun, the moon, the rotation of the earth. I mean, think about all the that happened to Galileo when he tried to say that the earth wasn't the center of the universe. I mean, that's all religion. It's the the the Inquisition. It's all religion. There's so many things that have been done, horrible things in the name of the ideology. One of the things just as much in the name of atheism. Of course, Michael Shurmer had a interesting piece on the differences between Islam and other religions and it was all essentially saying he was saying that it was the one religion that didn't go through the

96:45enlightenment that all these other relig all these other religions they sort of morphed and adapted to the new information. You know, obviously some less than others and obviously some I mean, when you see the pope dressed up like a wizard, you got to go, well, obviously he's got some of that old crazy in his in his in his war chest. But he's he's this pope is Bernie Sanders in a funny hat. He is, right? He's an interesting one. I think he's uh I think he's a faker. I think what they did is they found some guy and they go, "Look, this is uh we're going to keep this thing rolling, right? We like to have the gay bath house right above the Vatican, you know? I mean they they own the largest gay bath house in Europe. You know that, right? Do you know the whole story behind it? I don't even want to get the whole story behind it. Let's talk about Islam. I'm not

97:30Catholic. Well, I am. Well, I was raised. Yeah. Well, that's also very different. You know, and one thing that you're right. I just don't want to create a moral equivalency. I think we can agree that pragmatically, even if they have a gay bath house, it's not the same as hundreds of millions of people who want you and I blown up. No, it's not. I mean, there's a difference in Catholicism. Like, first of all, they, you know, there's there's no proatitizing. trying to convert people. They do obviously shield child molesters. I mean that was one of the reasons why the the last pope had to step down. I mean that guy the the reason why the Vatican has so much rat had to step down. Oh yeah. You know he's wanted for crimes against humanity. They want to prosecute him for crimes against humanity. That guy shielded child molesters to the point where one of the guys he shielded went on to molest a

98:13hundred plus deaf children. I mean they they sent him. They would take You didn't even hear him coming. Oh, it's Oh, how dare you. How dare you? How dare you sneak that one in. Sorry, but he was one of those guys that actively shielded people from I have a problem with that. And I have, you know, I think people toss religion under the same thing as people of of faith. And, you know, Islam doesn't allow allow any sort of practice of faith or relationship, whatever you want to call it, outside of their very specifically prescribed doctrine. When you talk about specifically prescribed doctrines, like how much of the Bible do you believe is real? You know, we want to get into each and every issue of the Bible. How about dudes coming back from the dead? I'm not going to get into it here. You know what I think? Here's what I think. Here's what I think, Joe. And I to be fair, and

98:59you might, this might take a real turn where you might get angry, but I hope you don't. I doubt it. Um, it's intellectual Aikido when you do that. You need to have a Desh Duza on or Lawrence Tisdall on because you can say these things. I'm not equipped for it. I'm a blue belt. I have I've I've looked at the swath of evidence and I've made up my mind. But if you say this stuff is crazy this well, I've made my decision and it's likely to change and I'm likely my faith has changed. Yeah, I think certain parts of my faith have changed. But my point is until you have someone on like that who's qualifying to do it, the same people who are going to be talking about sorry 911 being an inside job or whatever it is, someone who's just as qualified to talk about 911 being I'm saying you have those black helicopters. Yeah, black helicopters. I'm saying until you have

99:40someone on like that jet fuel doesn't matter. You know what? Let me finish this point. This is important cuz until you have someone on like that, you're doing a monkey fist and Joe Rogan baby monkey. I would do that and do that with my opponent. Kung fu guy. You're doing that intellectually because you're not having someone who would be able to argue those points. I'm not here to argue. In all fairness, guess what? I can't argue those points either. If you have someone like that, I would have to bring on an actual religious scholar who's an atheist. Yeah. But I mean, you know, you obviously have your you push it and you have every right to. It's it's your program and you do as well. If you go on and say that you're a Christian and I say, "Well, what do you believe?" Yeah. I think just between two gentlemen, that's a fair discussion. Yeah. But it's no there's there's no

100:18doubt that the way you approach it is certainly more aggressive than someone who's an atheist than someone who is an atheist. Yeah. You give them more of a pass than someone who maybe claims to be a Christian. But that's not even the main focus on what I talk about. You know, guns. I'm saying, okay, I got confused. So, you're saying I give atheists more of a pass. Yeah. You give them more leeway. Oh, they don't believe in anything. But I do. Sure they do. Sure they do. Millions and millions of people kill the name of atheism. Stalin Mao. Uh no no what I mean though. That's not what I mean. No, but I'm talking about they do believe in ideology. A lot of them. There is an atheist ideology. The new atheism. Hey, but the atheist ideology doesn't involve mysticism and magic. Right. Some it does. What? Like what does when you have people who don't Well, let's let's use it this way,

101:03right? Let's say I don't understand the Bible in its entirety. I'm not a theologian. Um, do you really think the people who are going to be right now going, "This guy's a dumbass." Understand the intricate science of the Big Bang. Well, I don't think anybody understands the big stud. Like, I'm pretty sure something happened. There's no mysticism to that. Well, there's definitely I mean, Terrence McKenna had this brilliant thing about science, you know, and he was saying that science wants one miracle. They they want one miracle. Give us one miracle and then we'll allow everything else. We'll figure out we we'll explain to you multi-elled organisms. We'll explain to you carbon molecules. What we want is one miracle. How did we come from life? No, the big bang itself is the one miracle. How did something come from nothing? Well, not just something come from nothing. How

101:53does something smaller than the head of the pin explode and become the entire universe? How does something that has so much mass and is so infinitely small, why does it explode? Like why does it explode? No. Even saying that the big bang existed. I've never heard someone adequate adequately explain maybe I'm wrong, but adequately explain why it happened, right? I don't think they know. Well, yes. And my point of view, do they does anybody know? No. Does anybody say they know? Not that I know of. I don't think they say they know. And that's what Ben Carson argues about. And people, he's a dumbass. Like, well, he's a neurosurgeon. Well, the the Big Bang is the one of the ones that I think you got to go, well, I think they think that this happened because they have, you know, radio frequencies that they can discover and they can they can monitor and measure and we know. Well,

102:40Dawkins explanation, I mean, how do you say there's no mysticism that maybe maybe these cells came on the back of of crystals? What is it? What's that? Yeah, that's what he said in the movie with Ben Stein. Well, maybe we think that maybe some of these molecules came in, you know, on the backs of foreign crystals. Foreign crystals. Yeah. crystals came in the big bang. How do we get this life? I mean, it was a question done and I'm thinking that sounds mystical to me. I think at a certain point something is taken on faith. My point is this. What we're arguing about is Islam, Christianity, all others. We're talking pragmatically. What's the effect? What's the geopolitical effect? What are the ramifications? I think it's really easy to simplify and you'll have people in the comments section going, "Well, so you believe in zombie Jesus who, you know, didn't exist." That's what I'm

103:18saying. Yeah. It's just as easy for someone to say, "So you, someone who's not a not you, but you in your, you know, uh, lounge chair with a box of Cheezits, who has no concept of science, demeaning these poor people has no concept of science whatsoever into a believes that uh, a bang happened and all of a sudden Joe Rogan's drinking his fresh French press. You can simplify anything and make it sound absurd." And that's why I go back to I think they're smart people smarter than me on both sides and my mind is likely to change. My mind is not likely to change in the Second Amendment. My mind is not likely to change on free speech. It's not likely to change in the fact that uh Muhammad was a bastard. Well, I'm certainly with you on a lot of that. I think that what they're talking about when they're talking about mystical occurrences during the the time

104:05period of written history, which is what they're talking about when you're talking about the the age of Jesus, you're you're these are like times where we do understand the parameters of actual possible things that could have happened. Sure. You know, like people coming back from the dead. We have no evidence ever that anybody's ever been able to come back from the dead. I mean doesn't it doesn't seem likely that but that's a whole different conversation. Well, we also know that people is there a possibility of a miracle which you require for the big bang and I require for I don't necessarily think I require a miracle for the big bang. I think there's missing science. I think that there's look first of all and there's missing evidence from the you know a good example right this argument you're using right now. Okay. I want to get this is I'm not a theologian. I'm not an

104:50apologist. What argument? But an argument that was used for a long time is kind of what you're using. There's no proof of this. Well, for the longest time, people said because David was this huge influential historical figure, right? And they're going, "Well, David, up until 1993, they're going, "This is a guy, this giant kingdom, right? This is the guy. There should be some historical evidence." And there's none until 1993. Boom. More evidence than you could possibly imagine on David. His name on marble stone. Here is David. Here is his kingdom as a historical figure. Now, nobody denies that he existed. And nobody denies that the lineage of the kings who were listed in the Old Testament existed when they claimed to. Now, before that, the big argument was there would be some kind of proof of King David, and there isn't. Well, the real issue of evidence is not evidence

105:28of absence. Yeah. The real issue with that argument is anytime you're dealing with things that are 2,000 years old plus, like good luck finding anything. Yeah. But we did, you know. Yeah. I mean, we find some things, but I'm saying like saying I'm I'm arguing for you. I'm saying like saying that something doesn't exist because we haven't found evidence. Like, boy, there's not a lot of evidence from 2,000 years ago, right? I mean, that is a long time. and 2,000 years of erosion and water and natural disasters and all. I mean, everything gets lost. Well, you have a great bit on that and I actually had a bit similar that sucked and I asked it um cuz you said it better was if I send you into the forest, how long before you send me an email? I said, "If I send you into the woods with a hatchet, how long you can send me an email?" Sorry, I butchered it. It's a

106:10great bit. Simplifies it. And I was like I had a bit about like going back to the witch trials and trying to explain to them, you know, germ theory and a microscope and it just didn't work. And I heard you do that and I was like, "All right, well, I'm just getting rid of that." Well, my bit was about dumb people outreeding smart people. And by the way, this came out before that. What is that movie about retards? Um, Idiocracy. Idiocracy. It came out the bit was on TV before Idiocracy. Okay. So, people, you stole that. No, almost exactly like yours on Vegans and Milk. Oh, but I'm not I'm not asking it cuz I like it. Let's keep it going. Um, anything I'm on your side. You steal my It's already there's evidence of me doing it back to '08 that go. Well, I was doing it before that. Were you doing the vegan bit before 8 milk? Yeah. Yeah. It had to be formed. I It took a while.

106:56Well, you have like a 25minute vegan bit. I put it on TV. I think in 2013, 14 in Colorado. Yeah, that was But I I had ideas for that for a while. The milk part was just one part of it. The real part was about the won't shut the up about being vegans. Yeah. But um the the thing about the um the idiocracy thing the was about the pyramids. It was about the dumb people outreeding smart people and that like if one day like what would we do if one day no one the smart people and we didn't even realize that they died off and then one day the power just shuts off and what do you do when the power shuts off? I don't know what you do but I just sit around and wait cuz I figure well there's somebody going to fix it. But after a while like we'd be wandering through the streets like who's turning the power is anybody? Do you guys know nothing? You hear anything? This mic goes out. You're like,

107:45"Well, okay, there's a wire here." Yeah. And it plugs in there and that's about the extent of There's very few people because of the compartmentalization of our societies. Very few people, if any, that understand all of it, that understand the power grid, that understand the purification of the water, that understand the government, that understand the computers, technology, the internet. There's very few people that could recreate all the things. Yeah. And most of us rely on a bunch of other people that are experts in order to keep this insane machine that we call technology going. So my theory on the pyramids was that dumb people out the smart people and left behind this whole thing and then the dumb people would show up. There was no one at the pyramid. They were like, "Hello, supposed to get our checks on Friday." And there's nobody there. And then eventually I think somewhere

108:34there's some ethnosentricity down there that needs to be uh protested. Well, there was the thing, the burning of the Library of Alexandria. I mean, that really is kind of evidence of that. That's what really would happen. I mean, and that's the other thing that people like a lot of black people or African-Americans want to talk about um you know, the pyramids and that the pyramids were built by black people, but it's they were built by Africans for sure because Egypt was Africa and it is in Africa, but the people from the the south like there was there was blacker Africans that came in and killed the Egyptians that were there and that's why the the Sphinx has an African face, has an African-look face as opposed to you look at define African face nostrils thick lips. Yeah. Don't you love with Sean King? Yeah. The pictures of him as a kid strawberry blonde. Do you see him

109:23like straw on curls and every picture he takes he's flaring his nostrils. He's breathing in and like that is the most racist thing. It's like hold on let me get a black picture. More black. I do that. You look kind of like gorilla. Like a gorilla like you know sniff out. What are you trying to say? Black people look like gorillas. No. You son of a I can't believe you. Well, that's what just happened with Quinton Tarantino. When did you see that? He said these savage think pieces people wrote about me and they go, "He said savage. He's calling black people savages." And I was like, that's the thing with these, you know, Quintino is more leftist. Same thing with Matt Damon. I just love seeing these people are progressive and they like to separate from themselves and the social justice warrior cult. It's the monster. They've created it. They deserve to be

110:05Well, Amy Schumer got attacked. She got attacked for some of the bits that she did on her show. Oh, well, she's up on stage pushing gun control with uh with her third cousin, Twice removed. I think she deserves it. Well, you do realize that she had a movie that came out and there was a mass shooting in the movie theater where her movie was being played. I mean, that's got to with your head. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure. Oh, they were playing train wreck while some guy opened fire. Therefore, I'm directly responsible and I'm going to remove your right to self-preservation. I don't follow the logic trail. Is she trying to remove your right? I mean, is she What is she trying to say? I don't know what she's saying. She's actually pushing legislation with Chuck there in uh in New York. Chuck who? Schumer senator. It's part of her her Oh, that is one of her cousins. Like third removed. So when

110:43she's up on stage pushing that, you know, I talk about when you have Sarah Silverman saying it's time to for comedians to get with the times and when you have Harrison Greenbomb coming on saying I'll support free speech but I won't support hate speech. It's a very, you know, you have a lot of comedians who came out and said that um what Nicole Arbor said was just wildly offensive and fat shaming. That's Nicole Arber's a girl with the YouTube. the fat shiming thing. See, that YouTube video I just thought wasn't well done. And I thought when she went on the view, first of all, you're walking right into the lion's den. A bunch of chubby broads on that show, you know. Well, they've come to Raymond Sim Raven Simone now. Well, what's really hilarious is one of their arguments was, you know, a lot of people just get addicted to certain foods like is I think that's what she's saying.

111:22Well, you have Michelle Collins, comedian on there, Joy Behar, comedian, and uh and they're giving her the rules on comedy. Well, she didn't do a good job defending herself because she tried to dot stick. No, no, no. I'm more offended. I'm not gonna do that. Michelle Collins and Joy Behar should absolutely feel ashamed for telling her like Joy Behar's going, you know, but listen, you're a skinny blonde, you know, whatever. I I make my jokes because I'm fat. I first joke about myself. You have to be So, really, Joy Behar, you're a Christian conservative. Cuz that's who you make fun of all the time. It's a stupid stupid idea. Now, they're prescribing rules of comedy once they're offended. And I won't go down that trail at all. And I don't think Nicole Arber's funny. But that's what they're going to do. They're going to attack you and say, "I don't think

112:04you're funny. Therefore, you shouldn't say this." They're not going to say I couldn't agree more in that way. Yeah. And I think that what she did was kind of clunky, but you know, she's not I don't think she's a real standup. Yes, she is. Is she? Yeah. From Canada. She's not She's not fantastic. She said, "I don't think she's a real standup." Now, listen. You know what though? Think about it though. I really believe that the You're kind of in America. Sort of. It's North America. Really? Do we want to get sort of? So, I guess all those Canadians there in the the shows in which you took part, they were idiots. They weren't funny. They listen very funny guys, not stand-ups. Yeah, but they're still comedian. How about that? Well, you know, comedian actually in French Canadian means actor. I think I asked if they were standups. Oh, okay. Standups. Well, she did. He's actually

112:45doing standup now. Well, at least he was for a while. Last time I spoke to him, he's uh started doing standup to pay the bills. He's got a horrible, horrible, horrible divorce story. Dave Foley. If you go and Google the Dave Foley divorce story, I believe it's online in a YouTube clip that um uh Brandon made. It's insane. But my point is, let's go back. This is important. Okay. Michelle Collins, Joy Behar, Sarah Silverman, Amy Schumer. That should just have your BS meter flinging on. It should be go firing so hot you're you're you're catching ghost fat. No, not that. But when Sarah Silverman says it's it's not hard to get with the Times. When Amy Schumer pushes for gun control, what is Sarah Silverman saying that about about gun control? No, she was saying that about comedy when she was asked about what is what is allowable and what's not. She's like,

113:37well, you know, I defend free speech, but yeah, it's not hard to get with the times. Like I used to say gay and I don't think you should say that. And she's basically saying like that's gay. Yeah. Now, but it's not about that's gay. Mhm. It's about either it's all okay. Jim Norton makes a great art. People don't acknowledge how intelligent he is. Oh, he's very intelligent. I love Jim. Either all okay or none of it's okay. Well, I had a whole bit about this in my last special. You probably saw like the whole thing about about not being able to joke about things, right? You know, and I'm saying I when I say things on stage, when I'm joking, I do not mean them. They're like I say a bunch of crazy And the reason I say that crazy is because it's funny, right? And if it's not funny, I wouldn't say it. But there are some things that I say that are absolutely

114:24not true. And I say them just because they're funny. But there's some things that are true. Like here's one. My wife is tired of me. I go, but she still she It's true. But she ne she doesn't she doesn't say no because if she I'd rape her. See, that's not true. I joke around. I go, I wouldn't rape her. The worst I do is hold her down, titty her butt cheeks. That's not true either. I wouldn't do that either. And it's like this whole series of things. It gets more and more preposterous. I go, I'm joking. Do you get it? You see how what's going on here? I'm not raping anybody. She's like one of my favorite people. I wouldn't rap and then I'd say the whole the rest of it. But it's like the the idea is singing feminism is not standup is not truth. It is sometimes truth, but it is what is funny that you know I'm around, right? No, you can't anymore. And and

115:10here's the thing. The progressive left. Sorry. Like Silverman's, the Schoomers, the Harrison Green Bombs, the Joy Collins. I'm saying sorry and then doing Well, I'm saying sorry. these names because I know they're stand they're probably your friends but when they Amy's my friend and Sarah's my friend and I have I I really enjoyed their I mean I was a kid when they were doing standup you know I think Sarah is one of the best comics on the planet I really do but she was a shock comic of course I was a big part of her act and now she's saying it's not hard to get with the time so really what she's saying is you can joke about this but don't joke about this and it's sort of like the wealthy 1% protecting their wealth a lot of these established comedians now say well what applies to you didn't apply to mem And that's something a lot of these kids now you're going to see at migrate the

115:52people who are the real free speech warriors like the Sargon of a CAD like the Karen Straws. Maybe they're not all comedians, but they're going to be online because standup is not the environment that you came up in. You may be able to say what you want to say, but let me let me paint a picture for you, okay? Cuz you're super wealthy and you're successful and I'm not worthy. Um, but I'm talking about the kid who's coming up in, I don't know, Omaha, Nebraska or maybe even here at the Laugh Factory open mic night who uses do the Laugh Factory open mic night. They make you stay in line all day and then you come back a week later. It's The point is that kid gets up and makes a joke, right? Someone complains and threatens with a lawsuit. Maybe the booker isn't a social justice warrior, but you think he's going to say, "You know what? Let's just book another comic. I'm not going to take

116:32that risk." That's what happens. And for me to see comedians supporting it, I think you're seeing this sort of a passing of the guard with stand up to a lot of these truth tellers online because they're not beholden to those rules. Right. I I I see what you're saying. I don't know what Sarah meant when she said that and I don't know what context she said it in. That's fair. But when you say that she's a shock comic, most of her shocking stuff was kind of self-deprecating. Like most of her shock, I mean, she wasn't attacking people. Well, Jesus's magic was, if you look at it, there was a lot of stuff that was designed to prods, which is fine. It's funny, but Christians don't try and kill you, right? I see what you're saying. Why? I haven't seen her do that with CD called Shiny Happy Jihad. I saw that. Yeah, it was it was it was good. was it was a little risky.

117:17It was a little risky but risky like what you did what you did in YouTube that was way more risky. Oh, thank you Joe. Yeah, mine was just jokes about like suicide bombers but mine jokes were like you know that like that I don't understand suicide bombing cuz I was raised Catholic like and no Catholics believe in it that much, right? Like there's never going to be a Catholic suicide bomber because we just don't believe in it that much. Well, I'm I'm incredibly critical of Catholicism. You know, being raised in Quebec, people don't understand that in the United States and first off, all the rights you're talking about, ironically, when you're saying you don't want a rigid religion, those rights come from people who said they came from God. It doesn't come from man. It doesn't come from law. So, that is a part of our our laws here. Well, it also came from people that

117:55didn't have the internet. They were writing things down. But I'm talking about where they come from. That was very unique. This was the first society that said, "Okay, these rights don't come from us. They come from God. That was why freedom of speech exists here." But it's also the first society to establish itself. the difference between church and state. Yes. No. Exactly. And if you read the, you know, like for example, the separation of church and state, it doesn't exist. It's not in the constitution. It's written from a taken from a private letter from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist where he was talking about no establishment of a state denomination because they were afraid of a certain denomination taking over. Fast forward Quebec, where I was raised, I went to public school. I went to Catholic school. Catholicism is the the provincial denomination in Quebec.

118:36The United States didn't want that. And a big portion of it is if you look in Europe and you look in in Canada where Catholicism was so overbearing and you have these beautiful cathedrals in Montreal that are entirely empty. People reject the oppressive thumb of religion. And that's why more Christians exist in the United States. Not because they're stupid and they're bumpkins, but because they didn't have the oppressive religion, so they didn't reject it as readily. I see. So um that makes sense. Yeah. So your um public school was a religious school. Yeah, it was. And I was not a Catholic. I got sent home quite a few times for arguing with the teachers. What did you argue about? Um, well, I I bitched when I wasn't allowed to take communion because I had taken communion with my parents for a long time and my dad was like, "Do you understand what this is?" "Yeah, I

119:19understand." He goes, "Okay, explain it to me." Okay, fine. You can take the bread from the basket. But in Catholic church, you can't do it. It's a whole ceremony. And uh why couldn't you? Because I wasn't Catholic because you didn't officially taken it the Catholic. You get Catholicism. I mean, you didn't go through catechism, all that. And then I also had one and this will sound really silly to the the you know atheist audience who aren't Christians so I'll get off it but they were teacher was talking about what the saint kids and my school was St. Francis of Aisi and my parents were always really clear like I had a dad who gave me the sex talk when I was three. He gave me sort of three three damn I got I got a call home in preschool. This is how you do like this. Hey my dad sounds like a home alone crook. It's like no that's like Dera's joke. Yeah. Well, he didn't want

120:01me to learn about it in school and think it was dirty. Oh, okay. So, I got it really young and I actually in preschool, Catholic school, they were talking about what's funny, her name was Miss Mary, and her daughter was in my class, Monica. And so, she was giving us the whole like stork business. And this is in preschool. Like, I'm four or five. And I go, "No, that's not Let me break it down for you. That's not how it works." But the pro and then her um her daughter was in class. So, whatever lie she tells at home, she has to keep a lie for the class cuz her daughter's there, right? So, her daughter's like, "There's no there's no egg. It's a tin can in a tummy and baby growth in a tin can. And at this point, I'm going like, well, my dad told me a penis, vagina, egg, cell fertilization, you know. How old were you? I would have been four. So, four. She's talking about tin cans. She's

120:41talking about tin cans. And I go up to the prof the teacher. I'm like, well, you're, you know, Monica saying it's a tin can. Tell her go. She goes, Stephen, it's a tin can. Like a pecan. Oh, what a And I go home. Lying to your kid, lying to me. Well, that's I go home and I remember asking my dad. I go, "Dad, is there like a can in a woman's stomach?" And this is just who my dad is. He never baby tucked us. She just goes, "No, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life. I wouldn't lie to you." And that was it. Wow. So, I knew that stuff. And when I You got in trouble for that? Well, yeah, cuz she had to keep the live for her daughter. Like, what kind of trouble? They called home like he's Steven's being inappropriate. Wow. What if if that was my kid? If I went to school and this dumb is trying to tell my kid that there's a tin can grown inside some

121:20woman's uterus. Jesus Christ. Well, my dad did. My dad went in and uh we had a teacher. Well, I'll say her name cuz I can't stand her. Mrs. Lake. She kicked me out of class. Mrs. Lake, you know why she kicked me out of class? Why? Cuz I said there were 50 states. She argued there were 52. What were the other two? Alaska and Hawaii. But that's 48 and the lower 48. And you don't have to tell me, Joe. You don't have to tell me. Well, didn't Obama that up. He said Obama that up. 57. Did he say 57? Yeah. I thought he said 52 as well. No, I said 57. I mean, it's a word. Probably really tired, too. That's a word. When he was running for president, you might imagine how tired that guy must have been. It was when he was running, right? Wasn't it? Especially with how much he drinks. Does he drink a lot? Yeah, it was his annual physical that came back like, "Ah, you're mostly good. Just stop

122:04drinking so much." Really? How do you know this? Well, it was released. Yeah. People talk about his annual physical recently. Did you see George Bush's physical? No. You may not like him, but you never saw it. He was running marathons. Uh, his last year of his presidency, benched 205 for five reps. That's pretty good for an old dude. That's not bad. He's got that like chimpanzeee wiry strength. You know what I mean? Like that old Charles Bronson deal. Yeah. Well, he he does a lot of really shitty paintings, too. You ever see his artwork? George Bush. You never seen his artwork? I haven't. No. Oh, it's really horrendously bad. Perfect segue. Want to bring up Lena Dunham's dad's paintings. Yeah. Well, I want to also bring up why I keep we keep bringing her up. You had a really good video because she sucks. That's why we're bringing her up. How dare you? You

122:44have know her. I don't know you, Lena. I'm sure you're a very nice person. But the video was very interesting because you were you were talking about uh this this whole story where she had come up with this book and in the book she was talking about a time that she was raped but you highlighted her actual words that like when she was with this guy she started talking dirty to him. This is before they even had sex. Yeah. She started talking dirty and asking him if she if he wanted to do this and he wanted to do that and then he did those things and then her friends are saying, "Oh my god, you got raped." Like I was raped. Like what what kind of a world are we living in that people are talking about that and not highlighting the ambiguity of talking dirty to somebody, not highlighting the mixed signals. And you went over that I thought very respectfully. I thought you

123:39did it very And I failed. It wasn't meant to be respectful at all. Well, you were you were honest about it. I You weren't insulting. You didn't I was insult. I dressed up like Lena Dunham. Yeah. That's That's trans face now. But if you dress up like me, is that if you're a girl and you wear uh this shirt, is that am I going to be insulted? I don't know. That's not insulting to me. If you dress like me, I'm not invited back. I'll come in like you. Well, then you would be a guy dressing like a guy. But I'm saying if you were a girl and you dressed like me, would I be like that insulting Like why would that be insulting? I don't understand that. Well, because I mocked her. Well, you mocked what she said and you also mocked it because it was being paraded around as if it made sense and it's confusing. Well, that's the whole problem. Yeah, we had Are you wearing a wig?

124:29Yeah. Bieber wig. I was like, I went like Well now she's changed her hair so many times. She has a little little Lord Fondon Ray or whatever it is haircut. I I see. And yeah, I guess this is this is old. Yeah, it was pretty mocky. No, that's an old That's an old one. That's right. One, right? This is a parody one. The other one, you weren't dressed like that. No, I was. Well, you you were dressed like that. My standard Lena Dunham outfit. My point is the media doesn't call her on it. And so, and this is where I talk about kind of We all have blind spots. Well, they did. Not only did they not talk to her, they didn't call her on it. They didn't make her explain how like this is a like expl if you could tell the story because a lot of people probably don't know what we're even talking about. Tell the story that is in her book. Um so Lena Dunham claimed she was raped in her book. She

125:15claimed she was raped by a mustachioed Republican. She cenamed him Barry. She said it was a night where muscle relaxers, Xanax, and alcohol. Took him back to her place. She was peeing in a parking lot and he stuck his fingers in her nether regions and uh then she got home and she wasn't sure how she felt about it and she went ahead with it, talked dirty to him. Then I think while they were finishing up she saw a condom in the house plant and realized he had taken off a condom. And then the next morning her friends told her she had been raped. So everyone runs with this and they hold her out as this rape survivor. And here's the thing, it's not that hard to track down the guy she's talking about. I'm not a journalist. It took about three or four phone calls. Um, and I won't get I really don't want to get into that because the guy obviously, you know, can destroy his

125:54life, right? He's accused of raping someone, has a wife and kids. Um, here's the thing, too, with He wasn't a Republican either, right? Um, again, I don't want to get into the personal stuff, but you know, no need to cuz I don't want to destroy his life. I mean, that destroys, you know, people say rape destroys your life. It does, but falsely accusing a guy of rape is incredibly destructive as well. Yeah. And they don't have any recourse. The legal system is entirely designed to prosecute. End of story. And you know, same thing if you want to get custody to your kids. So, no one called her on it and um that's what I did the video on that if this is a huge disservice to rape victims, to women who are actually raped. You know, Lena Dunham goes out and says one in four women are raped. I will tell you this, I don't believe that statistic. In the general population,

126:35it's far less. But at like feminist film festivals, I think four out of three women are raped. Everyone there claims to have been raped. And these, you'd think, you know, the more attractive you are, the chances of being raped would go up, right? Right? I'm not robbing Family Dollar. I'm going to go for the jeweler. But apparently there's just an epidemic of purple pitted, fatty, androgynous, ambiguous feminists just getting raped by roaming packs. That's what they want us to believe. Well, what it depends on what how you define rape. Cuz regret is rape. All regretful P inv what they teach in college. Regretful penis and vagina. Regretful penis and vagina is rape. Yeah, that that one is a really weird one to me. Um, I talked to Thaddius Russell on the podcast about accidental college where they had that case where these two kids got drunk and they had sex and the girl was saying to

127:24her friends, "I'm about to get laid, lol. You know, are you coming over? Do you have condoms?" Texting this guy. Guy comes over, they have sex. Afterwards, they she decides someone decides that it was it was rape because she was intoxicated. Completely ignoring the fact that he was intoxicated as well. They were both drunk kids that had sex. And you know what, man? When I was young, that's what it was. It was drunk people had sex. And nobody felt like they got raped because they were drunk. My wife raped me on the regular. People make mistakes, you know? I mean, people I I've had sex with people after it was over was like, "I probably shouldn't drink so much." We've all We've all been there before. We've all been there before. Everybody who drinks and is young and especially when you're young, you don't really know how to drink well. You don't Yeah. You don't have a large

128:12database of things to pull back from. Like, okay, I've been down this road before. The third shot of Jack is where goes downhill, right? You know, purple-haired 5x5 feminist starts looking pretty good. People make mistakes, man. And you can't say that it's a crime because you both engaged in a consensual activity, but you don't like it after it was over. So, the person doesn't matter. But my point was that kid, the boy got kicked out of the college, the girl stayed. They were both exactly they they both participated. They both were agreeable. They both they they I mean she asked him, "Come over. Do you have condoms?" He said, "I'm on my way." They got together, they had sex, and because there was alcohol involved, the girl was raped, which is insane. Well, mattress girl, you follow that mattress girl. No lie. Like almost invariably these cases come up and

129:00they're just lies. They're just false. Well, the Rolling Stone story. Yeah, the Rolling Stone story. Um, but Lena Dunham is so bad because then she's holding she's holding herself out as this rape survivor and you know she's molested her little sister and she's just a bad human being and you you can bring up her dad's paintings. Carol Dunham. I mean there's some weird stuff. His name is Carol. Yeah, Carol. Can we bring that up? Her dad's named Carol. Can we do this? Her dude's named Carol. Carol. Carol Shelby. Carol Shelby. That's all he drew. Wait a minute. What the is that? That's her dad's painting. Oh my god. Her dad's got a painting of a woman her ass. No, no, not a That's all he drew. That was his thing. Just a woman from behind. Asses and vaginas. Angry vaginas in this weird c. Yeah. They're like baboon asses. Yeah. Now you don't think some weird stuff went on in that household?

129:49No. And this is the girl. I mean, she What did she do to her sister? There was something that she admitted to something like she reached in with her fingers. She said cuz her sister put pebbles in her vagina. And she also said she would like she acted like a predator where she would try and lure her sister like pay her to kiss her and she masturbated in bed next to her little sister. What the are these drawings? Yeah. You want to tell me this is a healthy, balanced individual? Come on. Like let's just add up. You can't guarantee it, but add up the pieces to the puzzle. And she's the feminist. Uh she she's the new Barbara Stryzen, right? She's out there. And my issue was the media didn't call her on it. Front page huffpo CNN MSNBC Lena Dunham bravely comes out about being a rape survivor. And when I see leftists going the corporate media man and they're buying Lena Dunham wholesale

130:37that's what bothers me. Look at that one. This picture strange. You just got, you know, have you ever seen Jack of Orans drawings? I saw Yeah. Some of them. Yeah. Like what the This is kind of along those lines. Along those lines where it's like okay I mean I'm a big fan of artistic freedom. You should be able to do whatever the you want. But can we not show this on YouTube? Is that why you're not putting it up online? It's on I'm flashing. Oh, okay. People are going to have to Yeah, I'm just looking at say they're over 18. Well, this just seems to me like, god damn it, man. This is really weird It's objectification, too. I mean, this isn't just a beautiful woman. There's no face. It's just an angry vagina. That's what I'm saying. And a butthole. Well, they're all buttholes and angry vaginas. And when you do get a head-on view, Jamie, click on the one

131:21above the head-on view. You don't see the face. Look at that girl that like in the middle there on that. Yeah, right there. That looks like something from the ring. Exactly. It's creepy. What the is going on with her nipples? First of all, she looks like she's dead and drowning, right? Or she's drowned and now she's pale and white. That looks like a drowning victim. Like her legs are underwater. He would claim it's pointing out the irony or the I don't know. It's just so patriarchy. So that's my point is she's emblematic of everything that's wrong with social justice warrior culture and her show just sucks. She's unfunny. What shows up? Girls on HBO. I've never seen it. Well, you know, it's the perfect example, right? You hear about it everywhere. Everyone, all these Emmys, they're lucky to get 600,000 viewers on Girls. The ratings are terrible, but HBO

132:03wants to push it because they believe the messaging is important. What's the messaging? Well, it's all the feminist leftist tolerant BS that Lena Dunham pushes. They've decided Lena Dunham is important enough that they're going to prop her up despite the fact that an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm or Game of Thrones can get 10 times the viewership. But it's important for the rape survivor to have a show. And it's not true. Is that really why you think they do it? You don't think that it's a for-profit enterprise. Why would they do it otherwise? Well, don't you think they think they do it because it like balances out their programming or makes them seem more areriodite? Balances it out from what? HBO is always to the left. No one like thinks like Game of Thrones isn't to the left. Well, Game of Thrones is inconsequentialist. You know, the kind of kids who will argue with

132:44awesome. First of all, watch your tongue, sir. I uh I'm not a big fan. How dare you? I'm not a big fan. My friend Natasha Legerro, she calls it make them ups. She doesn't like any fiction. She's like, I don't like make them ups cuz they just make up. Like, oh, all a sudden she gave birth to dragons. You can't just make stuff up like that. Well, you can in Game of Thrones. Yeah. I don't know. I just didn't I just couldn't get into it. Like Walking Dead is my show. Okay, here's my take on The Walking Dead. The new one is better. I like The Walking Dead. It's better with the daddy. Always played a terrorist until this role. Well, he's only ever been poor guy. But you know what? He broke out of it, man. He did. Good for him. You know what? Broke through the brown ceiling. There's an episode. I don't want to bring it up, but when he went jog I don't want to

133:27bring it up. What am I lying? He went jogging and he comes home, he's all sweaty, and then the next scene he doesn't have any sweat, and then the next scene he's sweaty, they go back. Yeah, they go back and forth for him being soaked with sweat and no sweat and soaked sweat. Very, very shitty job. whoever was the the set person that dealt with the wardrobe and continuity with the the sweat spray. Well, that's a real problem with girls, too, because Lena Denim has a severe perspiration problem. She doesn't shower as well. What do you mean she doesn't shower? I'm making stuff up. I want to spread rumors. Okay. How dare you? See, now you're part of the problem. I'm just doing Dunham. But you are what you are is what they think you are. Now joking. You just You're being mean. And I am mean. I am mean with someone like Lena Dunham. You claim rape falsely. I know

134:13I've I know someone very close to me who was raped. Um the same thing, you know, my wife and I, we volunteer, but her more so at a special needs place. And so when people feain this offense that re I've watched special needs people call other special needs people Well, the problem is doesn't mean Down syndrome. It just doesn't. And you know the real what they used to put on people's birth certificates when they were born with Down syndrome. They used to call them mongaloid idiots. That was literally what they used to put the medical term for someone who had Down syndrome. Like what is to growth. What does that mean? You are slow. You are behind. Like if you're a dummy, you're The word like means sorry I'm late. Means to be late to be slow to arrive. And it comes from this all the romance languages come from Latin. And so that's where it comes from. Just like Negro is not racist

135:09until people said it was racist and they forgot to tell all the United Negro College Funds. Well, how about the NAACP? That's the craziest one. National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. Like, what color? That was funny about that woman, you know, the uh the Rachel Doleazelle chick who was actually really white and pretended to be black and had the fake tan and all that jazz. It's hilarious. But what's hilarious is she is of color. She's white, you know? I mean, it was not only that, the NAACP was founded by white people. It was made by white progressives. And when it was founded, black people couldn't even hold they couldn't be in a position of leadership. They weren't allowed to, which is kind of up. Well, what's funny, what I find so funny about her is now the whole transphobic thing is a new movement. I think she has a black baby inside of her. Does she? Yeah. She's

135:57pregnant. It's like a uh James Cameron sci-fi film. Listen, she's pregnant and you know that she's black eyes, right? I don't know it for a fact. I'm doubt it. I'm going to bet a lot. I'm going to the Joe Rogan podcast. I'm pushing the pile of chips in that she a black guy. Not there's anything wrong with that. I have no problem with that whatsoever. I just want to say that right away. But I think maybe she wanted to have be a little more black. So she had Oh, Sean King, too. I mean, listen, you have people who don't aspire to they don't aspire to be, you know, architects. They don't aspire to be scientists. They aspire to be professional victims. That we that's what you have with Sean King. with Rachel Dal. Well, there's money in that. There's not just money. There's there's there's I mean, I shouldn't say there's money in it, but what I should say that

136:41there's there's success in that. Like, you can tap into that vein quite easily. It doesn't require a lot of thinking and you you immediately get people that won't challenge it because it's one of those things like if you if you become one of those people that becomes a professional victim, boy, you don't get challenged much. It's just it's hands-on. I can see the headlines right now at Salon. Two white guys talk about the black American lifestyle. Well, in all fairness, I am Sicilian mostly and that means that I am of mixed heritage. That means my There's a black man in the wood pile somewhere. They were raped by the Moors. You saw true true romance. That's the fact. My grandparents are from Sicily. There there's a black man jumping out of the shed somewhere down with one of your female ancestors. I think it's more of a dark Muslim character, right? The Moors. I think

137:28they were uh they were from Africa, though. Here's one thing I thought about Rachel Dole. You've got Right. You think about her a lot. I do. I do. Uh the Sideshow Bob is just does it for me. I think uh you know Sideshow Bob. Yeah, the Sideshow Bob hairdo. Oh, I don't even know what that means that it's funny. Simpson. Sideshow Bob. Crusty sidekick. That's where it's from. That's where Can you picture it now? Yeah, I can. Can you bring up Sideshow Bond? Um think about this for a second. Well, she had to do that. Oh, that's hilarious. It's so perfect. That's hilarious. But she had to do that in order to look Well, here's what's so funny. She did the black white girl hair. So, she got the perm, but then she liked the light brown. Look, they compare it. You're not the only one. Look who did it better. But here's the crazy thing, okay? People say, "Well, transracial is not a thing.

138:18Transgender is a thing isn't a thing." Well, that's what I'm saying. Look, Caitlyn Jenner or Fallon Fox, right? Kaitlin Jenner can go through hormone replacement therapy, get all the plastic surgery, start changing his voice, and guess what? People see him and they still realize that's a dude. Well, you know what's Rachel Dozel slapped on a tan and a perm and fooled the NAACP. You tell me what's more realistic. Well, she did go to an all black college and she got a scholarship there, right? Yeah. Would she go to Morehouse? I don't know her. I know Sean King I know Sean King got the black uh thing from Oprah. What do you mean? Yeah, he got some kind of a scholarship for being a victim of a hate crime as a black guy. But what's funny is the actual police report from that crime. He checked the Caucasian box. So, it's not only on your birth certificate. That's a who's on first

139:03routine at the police station. No, you're a victim of hate crime. Yeah, it's a black man. You checked Caucasian. That's right. Oh my god. I forgot what I was going to say because we were talking about That's so funny. You broke my brain. The transgender thing has been coming out so fast. That's what it was. My 5-year-old man was watching Caitlyn Jenner on the the the show, whatever it was when the I am Kate, whatever. And she goes, "Mommy, why is that man dressed like a girl?" The 5-year-old said that. And my wife just covered her mouth like this. Yeah, that was me with my dad. My daughter was serious. She was serious. She's like, "Mommy, why is a man dressed like a girl?" And if you don't say it's normal, it's hateful. If you say that's a little weird, she's beautiful. You go, girl. My friend Whitney Cummings, I've talked about this too many times. I can't talk

139:53about it anymore. She put it on her Instagram. Hero with a picture of him like uh I don't see a fireman. Yeah. Okay. I'm not I don't see a first responder. And he and he killed a guy. Yes. A girl woman. Oh, girl. That's right. Pushed her into a real woman. Pushed her into traffic by spacing out behind the wheel. you had that on here, uh, Buck Angel, who challenged me to a fight because I wrote about Fallon Fox and I was like, I mean, where did you write? I wrote that, okay, this was my argument. This was a long time ago. I wrote it when I was at Fox News and before anyone else was talking about it, I said, okay, because it wasn't really a national story, right? Uh, Christian um Cyborg, right? She had her belt removed at Strikeforce because they found out she popped for steroids. Remember, cuz she took male hormones. Male hormones, right? So they said, "Okay, that's

140:35enough. We're going to take away your belt, right? Why? because there's an unfair advantage. Um, well, it's not just an unfair advantage. It's a banned substance. It's not even natural to your body, right? Well, my whole point is Fallon Fox has been taking steroids uh her whole life. They're called balls. All right? Because if you actually look at a woman taking steroids, it's still nowhere near the hormonal advantage that a man has over a woman. As a matter of fact, Arnold Schwarzenegger, like a walking human pin cushion in his prime, doesn't enjoy the hormonal advantage over me that I enjoy over the basic woman. It's that much of a gap. So to act like it goes away because you know you you you you grab a hair straightener and you put on a bikini. It's just not accurate. And she and Buck Angel was like I'm like first off there's a reason for weight classes. Secondly, of course

141:21we need to have the HIV testing all that cuz you're a porn star. Thirdly, I'm not going to fight you. You wouldn't fight Buck. No. Buck's a nice guy, but he's not that big and you're a lot bigger person. And Buck has a female frame. She he has small hands and small shoulders and this whole thing, but it's hiding behind the bully pulpit, right? A guy a woman like that nowhere else would be like, "Hey, Stephen, I want to fight you." But because you said this about Fallon Fox, which is entirely accurate, by the way, and I stand by it. I walk it back zero. The whole trans community has to tell me I'm hateful. Meanwhile, Fallon Fox just beaten the crap out of women. And you know, there's no technique there. Fallon Fox is not a good fighter. It's just pure strength. It looks very much like domestic violence. Well, it does when you watch it. It really does. And she's not very

142:07very technical. And there's also really a problem. There's uh my friend Steph Daniels wrote a piece for Bloody Elbow. She wrote several pieces about this issue. And she did a very good job of being completely objective and interviewing a bunch of different experts on it. And she found that there is a big discrepancy between gender reassignment doctors, quote unquote experts, who have one opinion on it. That you are a woman now. you have no advantages whatsoever. And those are the people that they they've talked to the, you know, the IOC and they've, you know, made it so that in the Olympics there's no discrepancy. But I my my my position is as a combat sports expert, I think there's a giant difference between having a male frame and a female frame. Then there's this woman uh Dr. Ramona Kutzik who is uh they wrote a piece for uh bloody elbow and she went into great

143:01detail. She's an endocrinologist, board certified endocrinologist, went into great detail about the significant advantages in bone density and the fact that the bone density, not only does it not decrease with the use of estrogen, but estrogen is in fact what keeps bone density in women. That's one of the reasons why when women drop their estrogen as they get older, they start getting osteoporosis, right? And so she was saying that you you have an advantage. It preserves it. Not only that, there's advantages in terms of reaction time. the the the average man men are better at everything physically. Let's just be honest. 10% faster reaction time than a woman, which is massively significant when you're talking about striking. When you see guys like Roy Jones Jr., they lose a tick. Still faster than you or me by a long shot. But he lo I brunch 275, bro. Dude, I hear you,

143:50bro. You don't know the rage that I get. I don't my I'm mental. But uh he uh Why did you go into Joey Dap? It wasn't that was that was doer again. Was it do a mental kill? You'd have to kill me. Um but the um uh reaction times quicker and also the the fact that you live your whole life as a man like your your body is your tendon strength. There's so many different things. So Dr. Ramona Kudzik, you know, puts this piece out. They attack Stephie. They attacked her. They great job ruining all your great work. because she had interviewed all these different people with different opinions. It wasn't even her opinion. She she went to a boardcertified endocrinologist who had an objective point of view and this person said, "Yes, there's significant advantages. Here they are scientifically laid out." Here's something I wrote about that no one else really talks

144:41about. All these organic sort of leftist hippie grown up, right? They want organic and they don't want BPAs. Well, what's the big problem with BPA, right? We, you know, xenoestrogens that people talk about it mimics estrogen in the body and that leads to cancer, right? too many estrog too much estrogen in the body. They talk about that drinking hormones in the milk. They talk about that with BPA and pesticides. So, we all widely acknowledge that estrogen elevated beyond normal levels in the human body is probably not great, right, for human health, right? When injected directly into your ball sack, however, we're supposed to turn a blind eye and say, "Well, the science isn't in yet for the transgender community. But don't don't drink from that plastic bottle. Make sure it's a mason jar. They got lids for that, you know, but we have to But when they're doing direct estrogen

145:24injections, well, we don't know really. Well, then don't buy organic and drink up your BPA. It becomes an ideological issue more than becomes a scientific issue. And you you are not allowed. It's like we were talking about when we were talking about abortion earlier. You're not allowed to have a varying opinion, right? Like you have to stay within the lines. Like you said that I'm considered, you know, I'd be considered leftwing by a lot of people, but I'm on I'm in the NRA. I'm not I didn't want to bring it up. I talk about it. I'm I think you should be allowed to have guns. I don't think that guns are bad. I think we have a I' I've wrote about this that we have a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem. And that's that's a real problem. The there's a real issue with mental health in this country. And I don't know if it's unique to this country or if the problem is that these

146:11people that have these mental health issues have more access to guns than they have in other states or in other countries rather. But I don't think the issue is removing the guns. I think the issue is trying to figure out as an advanced society with a nuanced objective point of view why people would ever want to kill a bunch of people they don't know. What is it that is causing folks to do that? Not what are the tools they're using to do that. That doesn't make any sense to me. And taking those tools away from people that would never do that. I know so many hunters and so many people that are gun enthusiasts that are the nicest people in the world and don't do a goddamn thing wrong every day. And to think that you can take away their rights to own firearms because one crazy person does something. What are we going to do if crazy people just drive into crowds? What are we

146:59going to do when someone stomps on the gas and heads towards an outdoor mall and just plows over a bunch of people because they have demons in their head or because they didn't take their pills that day? I mean, are we going to take away the right to drive? I mean, it seems like we're going down that road anyway with these these cars that are going to be self-driving. I mean, there's going to be issues involving the rights of people to to just decide to go out for a drive. The second amendment is is the right to self-preservation, you know, and people go like, "Well, why do you get so back when people had musketss?" Right. Well, I did a video on that. You do realize that's completely a loose penis, small penis. The puckle gun, Jiren air rifle, belt and flint lock. You know those guns? Yes. Those could fire 30 rounds in a second, you know, or 20 seconds. We have a uh a

147:41letter from I think it was Madison to a private ship where they said hey can we have cannons to stop piracy second amendment of course you can have cannons. So they knew as a matter of fact they had placed orders for some of these highcapacity really advanced weapons that just wasn't cost effective for the American government. When was the second amendment drafted? Uh gosh I don't I'm terrible with numbers but the puckle gun and the belt and flint lock and uh a lot of these guns already exist at high capacity. Was it before the outlaw Josie Wales Gatlin gun? Yes. Those were the Well, I did a video on it. You can I'll send it to you afterwards. But um December 15th, 1791 drafted. Yeah. Bill of Rights. Okay. Interesting. That's why I never do the numbers thing. 1791. They they their guns suck. Let's be honest. Look at the belt Google belt and flint lock puckle

148:24gun. Uh Google it. The Girandon air rifle. That's what they used to outfit Louiswis and Clark. The Girandon air rifle. Really? Yeah. Fascinating weaponry. There was first off that's not the argument you want to get into because the first amendment doesn't only apply to a printing press, right? It doesn't less didn't have the internet back then. People had feathers. They wrote with feathers. You can't just put anything you want on a blog, right? I mean, that's really the argument, right? Isn't that the argument? Who's who's a comic you've had on this show? Well, how about Hunter S. Thompson? I mean, if anybody violated what a lot of people would think the First Amendment should stand for, that guy took real facts and added fiction to them, and that was the First Amendment. I mean, he was allowed to do that. He He caused a political candidate running for president to lose his mind because

149:10people thought that he was on Ibagane. The guy had mental breakdowns. I mean, you know, the whole thing with Ed Musky when Ed Musky was running for president. Oh my god. You got to see the movie uh is it Fear and Loathing? What is it? What the documentary? What is the documentary? Gonzo. But what but what is it's Gonzo and then there's something else behind it. Whatever. It's a fantastic documentary favorite offers where I could have just lied. Do you realize that? I see people do that like do you know this? And I could have said yes. People do that all the time. Gonzo, the life and work of Dr. Hunter Thompson. That's amazing. It's an amazing documentary. It's so good. But it goes into great detail about how he would just add fiction to stories. He was a journalist, but he would just make up. And so he made this up about them bringing in a Brazilian

149:56doctor because they knew that Musky had some ibo gain addiction. And he and he goes, "There was a rumor going around, you know." And so he was on I think it was a Dick Cavitt show. It's a hilarious interview. And he goes, "Well, there was a rumor going around. Uh I started the rumor." Well, like Lena Dunham has a perspiration problem. Did you start that? Well, everybody I have a piration problem. I came here from yoga class, man. I was soaking wet. True. You came from yoga class. Now, the Second Amendment goes back to the issue of you either believe in self-preservation or not. And that's why I know Amy's a friend of yours, but when she gets up there and she's pushing gun control. Every single show, what is she pushing though specifically when you wrote about it? I believe in gun control. I believe that crazy people shouldn't be allowed to have guns. I I believe that if you

150:38have a history of violent behavior and a history of violent crime, you shouldn't be able to go to a store and buy a gun. I bet you believe the same thing. I don't want to misspeak as to what it is that Chuck is think those things. Well, I do think those things, but I also don't believe in leaving it to the Well, no, because the Now, see, that's one thing where everyone goes, "Well, yeah, of course we don't want crazy people getting guns." But do you really want the government then deciding who's mentally fit? Have you taken a Xanax? You're not mentally fit. You ever had anxiety, Nick Diaz and your prescription for anxiety, marijuana? You can't buy a gun. No, I don't I don't believe that we have the parameters yet to realize that federally for the longest time that was actually the case. that if you did have a prescription for medical marijuana because it's federally illegal, you

151:18weren't allowed to have a handgun. You wasn't allowed to have a rifle. Well, that would make sense. I mean, Barack Obama's, you know, federally prosecuted even people in Colorado where he's talked about that that he doesn't really want to leave that to the states. I don't want to get off on on the pot thing cuz we actually agree on that. But the the gun thing is it's an instinct for self. It's self-preservation. So, a lot of these celebrities, for example, I get really bothered personally because I've had to put my wife under security watch because of angry Muslims and union members. And when someone like me union members came after you? Yeah. For what? Which I You're one of those guys. I can bring something up and you go, "Yeah, that too." Oh, you have a bunch of people here saying adopted footage. I was punched in the face on national television for what happened. I

151:58was at a right to work rally was being passed in Michigan and I was there arguing with people and a drunken guy wailed me in the face and uh there were about 5,000 new members. They tore down a whole tent for people who were pright to work. You can Google it and people say the footage was edited, but there's also 12minute footage that I put up on my channel. Um, people union, which union? Oh, it was a it was a a meeting of right to work versus, you know, union, a whole bunch of unions. So, um, this was a was a pretty pretty big deal when it happened. And, um, it's funny my dad watched it because if you go back and watch it, people tried to say, "Oh, you shoved that old guy down and then he sucker punched you." It's like, well, if that's the case, I was looking for a fight. I would have fought, but there's about 3,000 people there and I was going to be torn apart. Who said you shoved

152:40the old guy? Just people. Oh, it's a whole conspiracy on the internet. And I have a 12minute video online. Can't pay attention. Well, I will. I don't even want to get in to everything there because you're on the internet and you can't pay attention to the internet. How ironic. I know. I don't have the attention. So am I. But what's funny is if you go watch it and knowing we talked about jiu-jitsu and stuff, my dad's like, "Did you grab a collar elbow tie and were you going for your uchima?" I'm like, "Yeah, I was." So you see me grab him. He's wailing. You were ready to toss them and I turn my hips and you can see the footage. I turn my hips in and I see there's like, oh shoot, there's 2,000 other people and so I just cover run. We have to do this. Yes. Yes. Uh, back the up. Back the up. So that's a tent that got torn down with backing up and you backed up. Well, this guy

153:24yelling at you to back the up over. So this is where they say and you know if you Oh, there's a Oh, he's swinging. So, see, I turn my turn my hips and then just duck my head and go back cuz I realiz it's terrible technique. Your your hips weren't moving way too far. Way too far. Yeah. Well, I did it. It's tough to watch. You get hit. Yeah, I got hit full wine. That was baby punches, though. That guy has technique, too. This is terrible. I can't even do commentary for this fight. Well, you're not expecting it. I mean, the guy with his wind up roundhouse punches. Like, god, what an But, I've said this before. Why do people who can't fight at all think they can get in fights? Well, I was getting drunk off second in fumes. Not you. No I was saying I was getting drunk off second fumes. Oh, he was hammered. Oh, he's hammered. They all work. Um, back the off. Yeah. Well, there's a

154:12lot of footage there, but um right to work. Right to Well, they hate right to work. What What is right to work? So, you don't have to be It essentially means you don't have to be in a union to work, right? Oh, and they So, for if there is a union like electrician's union or something like that. So if there is a union, you you you should join their union or people go nuts that we talked about that. Well, there's a real issue with the UFC. I'm sure you're aware of it. The culinary union is saying in that video on legalizing it in New York, I did it a long time ago. We reported on it and um matter of fact, the UFC was Jennifer Wank back then was working there. They were like, I I don't want to say they were very controlling until they realized that I wasn't trying to sandbag. I'm like, listen, this is what I'm talking about. I understand the union uh the the the uh uh culinary

154:58union and uh I want it to be legal in New York, but even then they were like, "Well, can you send us a cut of the video before it goes up?" And I was like, "No, I can't." So, I interviewed Chale and I interviewed Pat and I interviewed um Henzo and uh Henner Gracie and we talked about it and that's what a lot of people don't understand, the Culinary Union in Nevada and their vendetta. And we talked about Bob um was it, you know, the senator congressman there who said, "The reason I'm against MMA in New York is because it's violent." Yeah, that douchebag. Oh, he's gone now. He got called into a show when I was on a show in Albany doing a radio show and he called in to argue with me and I wish Oh, he had no arguments for us. But what about football? What about a corrupt? He's a corrupt politician. I mean, didn't he get busted for corruption? Well, is that the same guy?

155:41When we talk about big money in politics, and we won't have time because I think it's all going to go soon. Well, no. No. When people say Koch brothers or big oil, big pharma, you look at the top political donors of all time, 15 out of the top 20 are unions. And I got into this argument over Twitter with Gay Maynard and he was like, "No, bro. It's corporate." I go, "Listen, you want to talk about corporations?" No, bro. Yeah, that's Gray Maynard. I think he does. He tweets that. Um, and I was like, "Listen, these are the top donors. Big no one wants to talk about big unions, by the way. They give virtually 99% to Democrats. Big banks give 51% Republican, 49% Democrat because they're hedging their bets. unions, often public sector unions, you have no choice on whether you can join or not in these non-right to work states. You join, they take your dues and in turn they you

156:25those use those dues to elect more Democrats who give them more kickbacks. So I just think yeah there's a lot of money in politics but everyone wants to talk about big oil and big pharma and no one wants to talk about big unions which is a far more influential force and they get away with murder. They get away with it seems to be a part of the same problem, right? It's like people get addicted to the money that comes out of that establishment. They get addicted to the money, you know, they they that's what the culinary union, they know that they can make something like $15 million a year if the station casinos all went union, right? And the meanwhile, the people that work in the casinos have voted against it. Now, I don't know the particulars of the case. I don't know. I don't know who's being told what to do, but I know just know that is what the fact is. They did vote. They voted to go

157:09non-union. But these culinary union guys, they've been attacking the UFC forever and they've been doing a lot of creepy to the casinos that are non-union. They've set up shop outside these casinos and they were insulting people that were walking into the casino. Just patrons, just regular customers on this guy's I mean there's this big thing a video got released and the culinary union looked horrible for him. And it's I'm sure there's good people in the culinary union just like there's good people in every organization that's ultimately. But the the whole it's a mess, man. That's a mess. The unions in the Midwest, those are the kinds of And that's when I was with my lawyers when we were dealing with this. And there was a prosecutor in Michigan who was we found like almost all of his funding at that incident was the AFL CIO, which is a big union. Um and um matter of fact, I

157:55was told there were about 50 people that day, not just me, who tried to file police reports because that whole tent you saw was cut down with box cutters. There was a black guy selling hot dogs whose thing was destroyed. He was called the nword. This whole thing happened that day. I still have a piece of the tent. And there were dozens of people who tried to file police reports and they said, "Oh, we can't file police reports by phone." It's completely absurd. Of course you can. If someone's raped in Florida and you move back to Ohio, you were on vacation, you can call them and say, "Hey, my daughter was raped in Florida." So, a lot of people tried to file reports. They weren't able to. Uh, a lot of people were in the tent when it went down. And the same thing happened, you know, attack the messenger. Oh, you you well, you really had no business being there. You were

158:29provoking it. Here's the beauty about assault. If I right here go, "Hey, Joe Rogan, I think you suck. Nanny nanny boo, you can't hit me." Guess what? You still can't hit me, right? That's the law, right? You're only allowed to hit someone if you really believe that your life or your health is in danger. Yeah. So, and most of the time, you got to be hit first. Yeah. I mean, it's hard to argue otherwise. I mean, if you two people are staring at each other and they're yelling at each other and someone decides to throw the first punch, that person is the antagonist. That's the person who caused the issue. Well, there's mutual combat laws and all that stuff, but Well, in Seattle, it's in Washington State. What was the name? Uh the superhero guy. Yeah. Yeah. Um uh Phoenix Jones. He's a good fighter. Yes, he is. That's the He's Did you ever see that one where he's like

159:13Mutual Combat? You want to go Mutual Combat? And the guy up and he just whack leg kick and the guy that the guy was like, "Oh no." Oh, I've made a bad choice. Yeah, he's really good. That's That's the problem. Fodor, what's his name? Fodor. Uh Carlos Fodor. Yeah. Is his is that's his brother. Well, his brother is a fighter, too. Yeah. I don't know what his name is, but Yeah. What is his He calls himself Phoenix Jones, right? What is his real name? I don't know. He's a very good fighter, though. You could say it's really almost mean, you know, that he walks around with a superhero outfit on. It's not It's not fair at all cuz he's good. He's like, I don't want to fight. I'm here to keep peace, but you know, deep down he's like, "Give me a reason. Please give me a reason." Yeah. It's hilarious for him. But he's been stabbed. like he's he's like he's had

159:58like legit issues with broken up fights or stopped robberies and stuff. Well, the worst part is like there was one was like the domestic abuse case and um those are always well cuz it doesn't matter. The woman is still going to protect her man even if it's well so he goes under separates and she's whailing on him. You ever seen that? Have you seen that one? No. I don't even want to see it. Domestic view abuse cases they freak me out cuz I grew up more women committed than men. Really? Yeah. By far. It's not even close. What? That's why they're Even close. Yeah, it's not even close. Yeah, but they don't do much damage. That's the point. Yeah, but that's the point. We let them go. Well, Ronda Rousey admitted recently that she beat the out of one of her ex-boyfriends cuz she caught him taking pictures of her and everybody's like free pass. First of all, I believe it because

160:46it's Ronda Rousey. Like, if a girl says a girl says she beat the Well, I know the dude. He's actually a very He's a very good fighter. He could fight himself. But when when Ronda Rousey says she beat a dude's ass, everybody goes, I can see that. Yeah, but that's probably because of the Tom Jones syndrome where he realized he was wrong and took it. I mean, you see her with Tom Jones syndrome. What's that? He he Well, that's a famous Tom Jones the singer. Yeah, Tom Jones. He talked about when he cheated on his wife and she found out and she just beat the hell out of him. He's like, I sat there and took it because I deserved it. And that's usually what happens in domestic abuse most. This is actually something you should have her on. Karen Stron where he talked about it. Oh, that girl writes what chick? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'd love to have her on. She um she talked

161:24about it how you know uh men were unfair were have always been punished for domestic abuse. It's not like it's ever been okay. Uh Theodore Roosevelt I think it was Teddy Roosevelt in 1906 wanted to bring back the whipping post for domestic abuse because he thought it was unfair to put a man in prison because then he could no longer provide for his woman. On the flip side, if a man was domestically abused, you were basically dragged through the street and shamed. So um most men never reported dragged them through the street. Well, I mean they would parade you through the you'd be shamed. That's not policy. whipping post was policy. This is cultural sort of context. Gotcha. Um but yeah, domestic abuse is actually higher in lesbian communities. What? Yeah. Yeah. It's higher in lesbian. Well, per capita, but there's not that many lesbians, right? I don't know. I don't

162:07have a chart, but I imagine there's I bet there's less perap. Yes. Yes. I would wager. Um so it's a How much higher though? I don't have the numbers in front of me. It's Jamie does. Jamie, look up domestic violence in the lesbian community. It's not as much higher between the lesbian community and the straight community as it is between women against men. Women, so women versus men, domestic vi is this just reported domestic violence? A lot of women get smacked around. They don't report it. Honest question. Has your wife ever smacked you? No. She ever punched you in the arm? No, she's not like that. Really? No, she's not like that at all. She's super easy going. My wife My wife's like punched me in the arm like I grew up around violence and I don't like it. I mean, it sounds crazy talking to a guy who's a cage fighting commentary who's done black done martial

162:54arts his whole life, but I don't like violence. I'm that same way. I don't even I don't like action films. I don't mind uh seeing it. Like I don't I like fights and I've I've I've like I've always enjoyed competing. I I don't It's not that. But that doesn't seem like violence to me, even though it is. that is uh you're you are you have a mutually agreed upon meeting of two very skilled people who are going to try to impose their discipline, their will, their focus, their technique, their intelligence, and their preparation on each other. That's how I look at fighting. But I don't like people that love each other hitting each other. That drives me crazy because I grew up with it. And I don't I don't I would never date a girl who tried to hit full Okay, I don't want to make my wife beat your ass. My wife you up. My wife's got rain. She's six foot and she's got

163:41this she got a long jab. Yeah, she was a runway model for years. Um she like, you know, and and I milked like it didn't hurt. But the same, you know, it's a good example, right? It didn't hurt, but you milked it. Yeah, I milked it. I went to the bar and left and I was like, you know what? I need to cool down. I'm turning around like, oh my gosh, you know, I can get whatever I want for the next week. Terrible. Don't do that. It's bad for your marriage. But it worked. Um I will say this that a good example is like a dog. I see little dogs get into fights all the time. Uh-huh. They don't hurt each other. If Hopper does it, they take him away. They take him away. He's never done it. But I've had he was bitten by a little Pomeranian. And uh one time a dog did bite him. It was the only time he actually had black fur in his teeth. But here's the thing. If

164:21Hopper wanted to bite his neck, he would have bitten his neck. People don't realize dogs that's a clipping. That's like the mom sound of the teeth. That's to say back off. But uh I you know my friend actually my producer Gay Jared, he's got a little u uh Australian Shepherd and they'll get into fights. Call him Gay Jared. Is that what you call him? Claims he's not gay. He claims he's not gay. Jerry's still on. Okay. His Twitter handle is not gay Jared. You can follow his It's not gay Jared. That's his Twitter handle. Twitter handle. It's N O T G- A Y. You can follow him and draw your own conclusions. Legally, I'm obligated to say he's not. Another one. There's a lot of those guys. I see. I think it's up, man. I think it should be really easy to be gay and then we we'd find out who the is who. No, no. I wouldn't have a problem says he's not. Okay, let's see

165:04here. National Violence Against Women survey found that 21.5% of men and 35.4% of women living with same-sex partners experience intimate partner physical violence. That includes gay, not lesbian. Well, that's No. Yeah, that's exactly what we're saying. So, that shows that lesbians are more likely to beat up their partners than gay men are. Comparable with 7.1 and 20.4% for men and women respectively with a history of only opposite sex cohabitation. That's crazy. So what that says is that 7.1% of women have experienced domestic violence by men, but 20.4% of men have experienced domestic violence by women. The good thing, what that says to me is that I am not alone. Okay, but that's Massachusetts. See that right there? Massachusetts is filled with monsters. Drunk. Those women, you queer. They beat your ass. They're terrible people. The only the only chick that I

166:01ever had take a swing at me was a girl that I dated from Boston. Really? She took a swing at me while I was fighting. I was I was in the middle of competition back then. Like I was I was taekwondo. I was now I was kickboxing. I was crazy. Like and this chick took a swing of me and I watched it coming and I was like I don't even believe this is happening. And I ducked under it and I grabbed a hold of her. I'm like what are you doing? Are you hitting me? Are you trying to hit me? I was the only time a girl you queer. They're monsters. They're drunk. They're eating potatoes. They're just swinging at you. That's why it's Massachusetts. I'll bet you look at the rest of the country, it's probably totally different numbers. No, I don't think it's totally different numbers. Speaking of kickboxing, have you seen Guy Meer recently? Yeah, that guy is in great shape for his age. Oh, he's in

166:45very good shape. He's unreal. He's had some um some issues with uh cognitive um behavior, you know, is is damaged from uh his fighting career, but uh he's actually I I have to have him on because we talked about this. He's he's gone through some pretty unique therapy. There's a guy in Dallas that's uh doing some very unique therapy dealing with a lot of the cognitive issues that he had because of his uh long-term fighting career. Well, he's close. He's really taking my dad under his wing. Um guy is he's a great dude. Well, he's become I would say he's a great guy, but I just I know I couldn't. It's too He's a great guy. He's a great guy. But he really is. He's very intelligent and he's softspoken. He's just a really good person. Yeah, he really really is. And he's been very very supportive of my father there. And there have been like jiu-jitsu politics and stuff. So my dad

167:32actually moved there from another school and um yeah, I was just going to say I mean jiu-jitsu politics, how gross. Well, you know what it is. I mean I'm the world's longest talked about that. I've been a I've been a blue belt for I mean I can't remember how long because I moved and they saw it as like an act of disrespect and I had to compete to get my blue belt Joe I had to win it's like doesn't mean much but I had to win Naga worlds at white which in Dallas which means you might have people coming in from like 15 states you know might be 12 15 people in your division who are likely sandbagging right and then it was like we've had people who were demoted from uh demoted because like you trained with other people. So, it's just one of those deals. My dad started training two, three years after me. Got you got to get away from any school that does that. That there's only a few schools

168:18that do do that, but god damn it when they do that. It's so disrespectful and it's so bad for the whole overall community of martial arts cuz it turns people off when they realize that there's that kind of politics. It's terrible, man. I mean, Eddie Bravo experienced that for the longest time because they thought he was disrespectful because he was teaching no ghee jiu-jitsu cuz he decided to develop a no gee system. not even realizing that he's he has a black belt in the Jeanjac Machado, okay? And and he trained with the ghee forever, right? It's not that he doesn't want to train with the ghee. He's trying to train mixed martial arts fighters and he's developing a system that would work with mixed martial arts competition, which of course you can't wear. I will say though, I will say this and I I actually I think Eddie Bravo is an incredible grappler, but there is nothing more

169:01frustrating than when you have a kid come in with long pants and he just wants to sit in rubber guard and doesn't know how to use it because he's read a book and he's like talking about his edible mushrooms. You're like, "How about how about you learn a hip bump, bitch?" You know what I mean? And then Sorry, mom. Well, you're always going to have problems. I call that the the blue belt hysteria syndrome. Yeah, but I'll tell you what. Yeah, you're going to get that. Yeah, it's fun. It's fun to be a contrarian. It's fun to go against the grain and be a rebel and just like holding this poor rubber guard. And that's actually a good example. You know, one of my Brazilian instructors can't stand Eddie. Um, and he go, you know, what is that? What's rubber guard? I tell you what, it's Nino Shambry. He's taken from Nino Shambry. Nino Shambry train with Eddie all kinds

169:44of problems. But that's the kind of stuff you have to deal with in jiu-jitsu. I know. Well, that's people that are silly. How How much does your guy weigh? This Brazilian jiu-jitsu instructor. How much what how much does he weigh? this guy that doesn't like Eddie. Well, he's about 210. Oh, that's a problem. Eddie's about 170. If they're the same, even though Eddie will probably I think you can learn something from everyone. Yeah, but guys who talk like that and they've never experienced it. You roll with Vinnie Magal. Maybe Vinnie Magal is about 220. Brazilians really hate him. Yeah, they do. Yeah, they do. Because he came out and said Brazilians Brazil's a crap hole compared to the United States. I like living here. And uh like, oh, you you turn on your country. I want to fight. It's like, well, you know what? He was a ficho fich like if you ever want to actually

170:26do an impression like there are different dialects but Diego Brando just imitate him. It's the most severe. Yeah, he's got a good one. He's got a good one. Ball I hate Diego Brando. Yeah, he's Well, he looked really good in his last fight. He who the did he fight? He fought a Japanese guy. Um Oh, yeah. Um it was in Japan, wasn't it? Yes. Mitsugaki. Did he fight? No. No. Mitsugaki is really That's the guy who That's 135. Mitsugaki is the guy. Dominic Cruz massacred, right? He somebody up though, man. Who the hell was it? Oh. Oh. Oh, the dude who throws that crazy front kick. Yeah. I don't know. I know that too. Kuno got up in his last fight by Tony Ferguson, too. He's having a Hey, you know who doesn't have racial guilt? Who? Japanese people. No, they don't. They don't. You're never going to hear Japanese people say, "I don't care what my grandkids look like." No, no,

171:15no, no, no, no, no, no. They're racist as Bob Sap put him on a billboard eating bananas. Yeah, they make him eat bananas. They don't give a We never see a black man like you. Bananas. You are like a gorilla. Yeah, they stole that giant sexy ran with it to the bank. He ran with it to the bank and then ran out of the cage. All his money. We actually um had an issue with them with the Yakuza. You know, they there was an issue where they wanted him to fight without a contract and he was like um I need a after the fight. Do we give you a contract? After the fight, what? Well, let me say one thing about Guy Mezer and we have to go, right? I think we're we're about three hours. All right. Sorry. Guy Mezer, I will say it's just because obviously it's my home gym, but just for one second, it's arguable Antonio Roger Noiraa and the Arona fights. Those are really close. Those

172:01could have gone either way, right? If you reverse those and the Vanderlay headbutt doesn't happen and it goes to a decision, he goes in the list of top light heavyweights ever. Well, he's an excellent fighter, you know? I mean, he was always an excellent fighter, but no one mentions him in the mix. Well, that's unfortunate. He was an early adopter, you know? I mean, he was one of the guys in the the real early days of MMA. And he was also like one of the best, you look at like his style of kicking, his kickboxing style. He's one of the best traditional kickboxing style guys that like got into MMA. He had like a lot of like really good skills back then. But the Vanderlay headbutt was a big turning point. I mean, he was doing well in that fight before that happened. And uh Vanderlay headbutted him. It was I'm not saying it would have won the fight, but I'm saying if you take a

172:44couple of those controversial decisions and they go the other way, you put them right up there, these guys like Tito and Chuck and I mean, he was doing well, you know, he was doing really well with Chuck until that he got clipped, which is, you know, he was a monster back then. He was really a monster. It was, it's interesting because Chuck's style back then was to take shots cuz his chin was so sturdy. To take shots and just stay in the pocket and blast you. And then eventually that gave out. to the chin gave out and like he's the best example of why you can't fight like that. Like look at a guy who had a chin that was so amazing. But imagine if Chuck with that chin fought like TJ Dillshaw fought an elusive fastm moving fast footwork style where he's very hard to hit but still had that ridiculous power. Yeah, man. I mean obviously they're different weight classes. It

173:32would be very difficult for him to move like that. But if you fought a more defensive oriented style with that punching power and just utilized it sparingly at openings, but then he wouldn't have been Chuck Liddell. That Rashad knockout is one of the worst I've ever seen. Oh, it's terrific. Yeah. Well, the Rich Franklin one was even more disturbing to me because it didn't look like he got hit that hard and it just he just his body was already done. Yeah. You can only get hit in the button so many times. Sorry, I didn't mean to take you down a rabbit trail with that. Yeah. No, it's true. It's totally true. It's totally true. It's and you know that's one thing that's like super important to tell young fighters. You know I always say that Mighty Mouse is the best. I really think he's the best fighter in the world pound-for-pound. And one of the reasons why is that

174:12guy doesn't get hit. He's so slick and he moves so well and he's all about technique. That's why in his last fight he goes, "Look at me. I'm pretty as a motherfucker." And I will say five rounds. And I will say that bothers me. People, oh heavyweights don't have technique. Here's one thing my dad and I talk about a lot. The margin for error at heavyweight or light heavyweight is much less than a lower division. They may be faster, but the fact is guess what? You can take 50 shots at flyweight. You take one shot wrong at heavy. There's a reason if you watch if you watch high level heavyweight jiu-jitsu, they are fighting often to stay off the bottom except for guys like Cyborg. Um because it's a it's a whole different ballgame elevating 250 pounds or getting hit by it. So when people say, "Oh, the heavyweights aren't as good technically." I go, "Well, actually

174:54the fact is you get hit. You can't get hit once at heavyweight. You have to be more evasive. There's less room for error. And I It's not just because I'm a relatively big guy. I'm not, you know, I'd be a middleweight probably if I ever had the balls to fight, which I don't. But, as someone who comes from a long line of heavyweights, that's the first thing they say if my dad runs over. Well, you're just big. Well, there it's also the issue with gravity. Like, the heavyweights have to deal with so much more gravity. It's so much harder to move. It's just harder. Well, you can bench 150 all day. Yeah. How often can you bench 275? Exactly. Not a lot. Yeah. Not a lot. Not even Brock Lesnar can do that. Like it's flyweight. Exactly. And it's also like to find a guy who's a heavyweight like Muhammad Ali who would move like that. That's one of the reasons why he was such an outlier. Like

175:37nobody had ever seen a heavyweight that could dance like that and move around like that and like no one had prepared for it. Like Sunny Lon was like this plotting murderous puncher and really had no answer for that style because it's just not supposed to exist. Like a guy is not supposed to be that heavy and be able to move that good. Yeah. It's a lot harder. But even him when he got older, that went away too. And the only thing that I really disagree with you on is uh just before we leave is you said what? George St. Pierre, who's the national treasury about to cross the line, said that he got out while the wolves are at the door. Disagree, my friend. Well, you don't think he got out while the wolves are at the door. Look, I think George St. Pierre is amazing. Well, it's not just Johnny Hendricks. Robbie Lawler. There's a lot of really good fighters.

176:18was lo fights in strike force while it's not like he was fighting 185 you know cuz people take it and they all good fighters it's a lot of weight to give up when you're at an elite level and he really wasn't a 185 lb guy he's not even a big 170 he makes weight easily whereas opposed to like Johnny Hendricks can't even make the weight anymore they're going to make him go up to 185 well Pat's a good friend of mine he talked about how Lawler would just come in barely warm up and just fight that he's not like a he's not methodical like George Stierre no George I'd like his style style better because Georgia's style is so unpredictable and I think that he really set the groundwork for Faras a hobby is a wizard. He's one of the very best trainers in the world and Faras has like brilliant breakdowns of MMA and brilliant breakdowns of fights and when you talk to him about it and

177:04when he talks about training he he talks about overloading guys mind with possibilities and that's what George did. You never knew what the he was going to do. You know why his wrestling is so good? A lot of people don't understand this. There is no wrestling in Canada. Well, he trained with Russian nationals. He trained with Russian nationals in the Canadian Olympic team. So, it's not like where you have some guy in the UFC who had some high school wrestling experience. Either you don't wrestle or you wrestle with the best in the entire country. Well, he's also super open-minded. I mean, I I've did a little bit of training with George and he just listens to everything and soaks it all in and you could see his mind working like a computer. the way he he takes in technique and you know he did a lot of work with John Donner on his jiu-jitsu and he just seeks out

177:43people that are going to like find little things that he can do better and he listens. He doesn't have an ego about it at all. That's because you don't know how how dark it is inside that dark and the alien the come to get me occasionally. Uh we got to get out of here. This is we're out of time. We're three three hours in. This is a lot of fun, man. Thank you very much. If you're in town, we'll do it again for sure 100%. uh S Crowder on uh on Twitter, right? Uh your uh YouTube page. Our site is louderwithcrater.com. Louderw. All right, you folks. We'll see you soon. Thanks everybody. Bye.