Tim Dillon

00:00and three two one no yes okay it's live okay it's been up a little bit lately how my pleasure my pleasure you brought me a nice conspiracy book i want you back nice i want you to i got bored with it yeah i get you i know i just had a uh a lunch with eric von daniken oh yeah and uh uh he's the author of chariots of the gods the last two hours we've been talking ancient aliens i was deep when i was like in in my late teens i was deep in zachariah's sitchin yeah anunnaki yeah that's a lot of the conversation we had today at lunch is very interesting the problem with someone i mean it's not not he's not a dishonest person i'm not saying that but the problem with anybody that is involved with like a book like this is that you're so all in you're so committed to this idea yeah like i asked him the first thing i asked him is like what is the most compelling piece of evidence

01:11and um he said the the tablet in palenque i don't know if you're aware of that one yeah the one of the the aztec guy i guess the aztec or mine i guess the mayan guy it's mine um who's laying back uh it looks like in some sort of a throne with fire below him and he's manipulating these knobs and and that means that aliens landed and seated them with technology yeah yeah they always make a little bit of a jump it's a big one that's an evil knievel it's a little bit of a jump between that bird is really a symbol of a flying saucer i've heard that too i've heard that they've been like that bird and i'm like well let me ask you a question why didn't they etch a flying saucer right into the cave yeah and they're like well you don't know how things work the more interesting ones in the art depictions there's some really ancient depictions of people that look like

02:05they're in these flying saucer type things like they're flying through the air and they're in some sort of uh like you know some some painting yeah those are those are really interesting because like what were they trying to say like what were they what were they depicting in those things yeah i mean it's all very interesting but i i think you and you've had graham hancock on so to me when i heard him i was like that makes more sense that we were just a civilization that had reached an apex yeah and it got wiped out by some cataclysmic event yeah and then we had to rebuild but is does he think that we got all of our technology from other worldly sources or no not really doesn't he doesn't graham is much more in line with this um this theory that dr robert shock has been putting forth he he was one of the weirder ones that i've had on the podcast first of all because

02:53he's a rock solid geologist right professor at boston university like really well established his credentials are you know they're they're as good as it gets and he was saying that he thinks that there was a mass coronal ejection somewhere around 12 000 years ago and it was literally raining lightning all over the world and decimated the population of land mammals and and people is this what got the dinosaurs no no no no no this is way later i apologize this is like my bad this is uh they think in the neighborhood of twelve thousand years ago they think this is so this is recent yeah yeah okay yeah this is what graham hancock's work indicates as well see graham hancock and him were together on the sphinx because robert shock was the geologist they brought in to examine the erosion marks on the uh temple the sphinx yeah and his conclusion was that this is the

03:49result of thousands of years of rainfall right the problem with that was the last time there was significant rainfall in the nile valley was 9000 bc so you'd have to have thousands of years before that to create these deep water-based fissures or water-created fissures so they're saying the sphinx was there a lot longer than we imagined yeah so that coincides with a lot of these the the people that want to push back the dates of civilization what they think is it all points to something big happening at the end of the ice age yeah so something big happening between 12 000 and 10 000 years ago why don't mainstream scientists just go now i'm sure there's a reason for this i think there's a reason that mainstream thought leaders in any area don't allow the fringe in yeah why what's the big thing here with keeping these guys is it that they would just have to go

04:39back and relook at every history book well in the beginning there was nothing right so when these guys were proposing this there was very little evidence but now that evidence is stacking up and there's all these ancient structures that they're founding like go beckley tepee and turkey yeah yeah they've once they found that one and they realized that it was intentionally covered up 12 000 years ago so this is like this is undeniable everyone agrees on it yeah and so then they have to say okay well then hunter gatherers must have made this because 12 000 years ago that's all we had was hunter gatherers but it's really sophisticated construction and it's very difficult to do and they're enormous and they have three-dimensional animals that are carved into them yeah which means they actually had to carve away the outside to create the animal instead of carving

05:22the animal into the stone yeah they actually carve the stone out around the animal so these animals are like climbing on the outside of these stone columns it's really weird stuff yeah but who the knows i i'm i lean more towards cataclysmic disaster because there's so many of them that we know for sure have happened right between the 165 million years ago in the yucatan they killed the dinosaurs i was reading about the ark storm that's going to hit la which will just be 60 days of rain wednesday it happens every 200 years i mean i you know this is an article i read every 200 years la in the area gets 60 90 days of rain and everybody has to move and things this is supposedly what somebody sang something with a bunch of panicked comedians who are all thinking about they're worried about the ark storm now it's fun to think about stupid oh it's the best it's thinking about

06:15like conspiracies and bigfoot yeah ufos and like that it teaches you how to think a little bit like when i was a teenager i was smoking weed with my buddies like we would you'd have to research these things you'd have to cross-reference information you couldn't just swallow the narrative you had to literally go well and then you have to use critical thinking to go does this make sense right would this have happened right could maybe could lead harvey oswald that would have you know would he have acted alone you know you have to think about all these things but i mean i i do think since trump got elected conspiracy theorists have been demonized and nobody talks about it right there's a little bit well it was always going on it was even before that they were being demonized but yeah for sure everybody's worried about the other groups which is fair yeah i get that

07:01yeah there's the people in the cage is no good i'm not for any of that people in the cage well the kids in the cages is not good you know what i mean the family separation at the border all the courses yeah yeah but i think that people think that conspiracy theories got trump elected so now it's like cool to hate conspiracy theorists or people that are like let's take another look at this there's so many factors that got trump elected right it's a perfect storm of people getting getting fed up with political correctness yeah someone coming along that's not a politician yeah you know the system is so rigged that after a while you're just like jesus christ how many more of these fake puppets are we going to put in office there's i say this to comics i'm like everybody's done a show where everybody goes out and bombs with their material and then one guy gets up and just goes this

07:51and screams and yells and destroys because that's what the room wanted the whole night they wanted somebody to come up and just realize how everything was and how nobody was having a good time and that's kind of what trump was yeah trump was the guy that came out and just rift yeah he went out there with no material he just went out there and rift and he went and i when i heard and i'm sure you've seen this speech where he talks about ben carson going after his mother with a hammer and trying to stab his friend this was one of the funniest things he was speaking and he was giving a stump speech i don't know where it was i think it was he wasn't in iowa but he was referencing iowa and he's talking about ben carson's book and that ben carson had admitted to going after his mother with a hammer and trying to stab his friend with an i mean these are these are in and trump is talking about it

08:40me and my friend were driving uh out of new york city we were laughing so hard i said this guy's i said he's gonna win i said i'll tell you why he's gonna win i cannot stop watching right yes i can't i am so fixated by the idea that there's a guy like this on the national stage and he's saying whatever he want there was something intoxicating about that a lot of the things you were saying were horrible but he was saying them and then on the other side you had hillary clinton who was just a scripted or careful person and i'm like it's just boring yeah so to me i'm like sometimes the entertaining person wins because you can't take your eyes off them well in this case for sure i mean and that it was a perfect you know polar opposite between him and her yeah you know no no experience versus vast amounts of experience right no real experience in the real world versus

09:42vast amount of experiences yeah i mean there's a lot going on between the two of them it was it was it's it's a bad way to choose how the world runs yes it really is it's very bad to look at candidates and go who's the most entertaining yeah well it's also a bad idea to have one person right it's a bad idea to have this this same system that was in place back when there was you know a thousand people here but i think we really don't like we have one person that seems like we have one figurehead but we have kind of this permanent political class of people yeah a nexus of powerful institutions where you have career politicians career diplomats career military service people that kind of don't leave so i think that's one of the reasons that we haven't changed the system is because one person can't ever do that much even though trump is wild and crazy and he's done a lot of bad things

10:37i don't think he would be allowed to deviate from many of the policies like that his predecessors had kind of established i think that like the american government and that's why this the term like the deep state which a lot of people ridicule it's an undeniably true thing i mean our policies are not just one guy gets into office and he goes here's how it is right i mean it's the result of a lot of you know private corporations lobbying forming all kinds of forming an agenda in a non-democratic way you know they're not accountable and a lot of these you know people that work at the cia or the fbi the nsa a lot of them are appointed they're not elected right we have no oversight um we have i think it's 22 intelligence agencies now it's really that many i mean it's something absurd how many could you name fbi cia nsa uh probably dea dea an intelligence agency i wouldn't

11:35say it's an intelligence enforcement intelligence capabilities i would imagine fbi cia nsa uh there's one yeah the uh dia directorate of intelligence the pentagon i mean i don't know if that's an entire agency but i think it i mean i think it has the capabilities but we have all of these different i don't know if it's 22 but it's a lot and they're all competing with each other they're all competing because they all want money they don't want a budget they all want and that's the thing people talk about the deep state it's like look at them all yeah look at these guys here they are jesus here are all the people that are you know what listen excited yeah the space troops now we have space space force that's gonna be good and why not why not a space force well eventually right eventually you're gonna have to have it oh yeah so why not have it now we have i don't know what the national

12:21geospatial intelligence thing does they can't be any more relevant than space force click on that one national geospatial intelligence agency they can't be any less important than the space force what who the know how many people are working there employees 16 sixteen thousand look at that look at their motto scroll down a little bit scroll down no earth show the way understand the world what that's like founded in 96 yeah clinton probably did it's probably where he keeps his chicks i mean this right this is what i mean like what the hell are these people doing now what is it sixteen thousand employees with their motto know the earth show the way understand the world that sounds like a like on a yoga studio's you know i mean it's absurd but they they get billions of dollars to do whatever listen put that back up there with the description look at what good it says there

13:13it's uh it's under the united states department of defense an intelligence agency of the united states intelligence community with the primary mission of collecting analyzing and distributing geospatial intelligence in support of national security which is why what does that mean what the hell is geospatial intelligence i mean this is what i mean this is insane and if any if you ask a question if you go well what do these guys do people yell at you yeah and they start you don't know you're you're a conspiracy theorist and you don't know this i just want to know what geospatial intelligence is right it's probably something simple and now i'm going to look like an idiot it says its intelligence about the human activity on earth derived from the exploitation and analysis of imagery and geospatial information that describes assesses and visually depicts physical

14:01features and geographically referenced activities on the earth i mean this is i think that's how we would know like that north korea has uh it's like is it satellite satellite yeah i think i guess well there's probably a satellite agency too i think we've uncovered a scam i think we've uncovered a pretend agency that nobody there's a guy right now panicked in the geospatial 16 000 other employees going we're gonna have to find a real job we've been studying shipping docks from space yeah we just got outed yeah what are they yeah i mean it's just we just got outed on rogue and it's completed that girl is not really there that is an actress 100 that's an actress but this is what i mean if you if you look into this stuff it starts to get crazy the amount of people that are doing things we have no idea what they're doing i mean 10 uh i just did a private gig at the

14:55bethesda country club in maryland okay it's you know i'm still doing private gigs sadly but you gotta you know it is gotta do what you gotta do you gotta do what you gotta do i go to the bethesda country club maryland um it's the entire ten counties around washington dc are the wealthiest counties in the world i mean in our country they and it's not because they're selling crab cakes you know what i mean right it's all defense industry raytheon uh you know dyncorp things you've never heard of and they're all and they were it was a good gig they were funny i got up and i was like what are we are we uh carving up venezuela they all laugh they're all clapping they're into it you know they liked it some people gave me i was like i said last week i did a fundraiser for human trafficking victims this week i'm with the traffickers you guys are a lot more fun

15:40and they're clapping they're they love it they're leaning in to being that's good they're you know they're morally compromised well they're also hired a comedian to with them yes that's a good point yeah i mean they expected it it's not like it came out of nowhere well you know i mean it's like so that's the thing it's like trump bad but i don't know what the geospatial people are going to do i don't have to i don't want to throw my hat in with geospatial intelligence yeah i don't know what that means i mean maybe we need it what you know but listen again two stand-up comedians talking about what the world needs yeah it's not great it's terrible it's not great i've been i've been trying to stress this more than ever because the fact that i have a microphone right and people are listening don't pay attention to me okay i'm not right well the best thing is well listen

16:29you know you don't know you might be might be right but i'm definitely not an expert the best thing is if you go on twitter and a comedian will tweet something really you know it's like we're living in fascism and they get like 400 000 likes and then the next tweet have you ever seen this to go and while you guys are here check out my web series and you go are we are we living in fact if we're living in fascism you do i have a web series you can't have a webseries and do i have the time to luxuriate in your web series or should i start arming myself to overthrow the government what should i what should i look at my phone i'm like which way should i go yeah but that's all they do they go by the way while you're here i have a patreon we're doing a project i'd like you to throw a few bucks there but we're living in fascism and you know well the signal-to-noise ratio

17:21in terms of like people tweeting it's almost mostly noise oh it's nice there's a few people that are great you can follow a few people that are really posting about real news and yes for some journalists yeah 17 of them i think journalists are maybe the best people to follow on twitter right now it seems like but the problem is who's a journalist there's very few yeah real journalism takes a long time yeah it's inexpensive like real investigative journalism but i've had some of these guys on my podcast they come on they go they've ruined their life they spent five years looking into something nobody cares about they figured out it was true and nobody wants to talk to them right they love white hair their families hate them they live in a little apartment new york city that's a journalist well sometimes people do journalism right and they they do spend a long time working

18:07on a project and it's in something like the new york times and no one cares no one cares like the thing about trump like the report on trump the scathing report they thought was gonna bring him down literally it was in and out of the news cycle in a day or two yeah they don't care that guy just pops an extra adderall and doesn't give us he doesn't care he doesn't give a he is the only guy that should ever write a motivational self-help book he's the only one with the secret right whatever the secret is he's got it i think it's speed you think it's speed you think he's really yeah yeah i do yeah i think it's speed i think he's on something i mean i think this is the only way that it makes sense to me that a 70 plus year old man has that much energy a guy who doesn't exercise he eats fast food and he's bouncing off the walls and he can campaign for days and

18:52days and days just slamming kfc double downs and fillet of fishes and let me ask you this yeah how often do you think he gets his dick sucked good question who's doing it great question and not asked enough right probably not that much i don't think a guy like that is driven by sex i don't get that maybe but melania seems to be not into it as much she seems a little upset with him she seems a bit cold but there she's slovenian or something something like that they're cold i don't know that's what that's generalization they're white so i can generally say what i want about them joe okay let me see what the hell i want keep digging eastern europeans can i not have slovenia you can okay thank you uh she's cold well she i think she's a little annoyed with them you know i mean it's been very humiliating for her they had the best life yeah up until he ran for president he i

19:43mean imagine telling his kids he's like i know you got world billionaires yeah you'll party every day you do coke with impunity at some new york city nightclub when you boarded that you go to europe do it on a boat when you boarded that you go to some orgy in athens that's all done right but we're going to canton ohio and i'm giving a speech and you can stand there because and every camera and every news reporter is going to watch every move you make for the rest of your life they're going to crawl up your ass with a microscope too and everyone hates you yeah and some of them might be going to jail i mean we don't we really don't know what's going on with this mueller investigation well i think a lot i mean i think it's going to be disappointing everybody's preparing us for disappointment everybody has prepared us for disappointment yeah cnn is actually saying that that don't expect much

20:26it's like when you get a report card and you tell your parents you're like no i've changed but i'm still me you know what i mean i'm still the guy who gets high before he goes into school and was caught smoking by the priest like i used to get caught smoking weed by the priest who was driving into my catholic school and he would drive me to the school so i would be like yeah i've made some changes but i'm still very much that person that you guys raised so that i think is what the mueller report is going to be like trump the thing about trump is he's corrupt he's a con man you know he said he this whole wall there is no wall well it's not coming little links the walls there's some wall there's no wall there's no people with signs that they finish the wall but this part this part of a wall there's more of a wall there's more of a wall around around houses in bel air right then there is at

21:19the border well you know it's a smaller area builder it's yeah and there's probably more of a reason to have a wall you know and the people that run bel air are probably more serious yeah yeah there's definitely something that you know i i don't know uh about this whole wall thing i really feel like it was one of those campaign slogans that he got stuck with you know build that wall and then once he got in he's like oh christ i really gotta build this thing it's a slogan someone whispered into his ear you think ann coulter probably said get out there and say build the wall and he goes that's good and then he just went out there build that wall i love the one of the speeches he doesn't really build things he lends his name to be franchised yeah he definitely does he's not a bit like this idea that he's like a bit the things he's built are disgusting if you go to atlantic city

22:08walk into any building he has built it is the chris hedges wrote a book he's a interesting guy he wrote a book called america the farewell tour and he goes he went he went to trump tower in atlantic city he goes there's junkies in the bathrooms there's like rats running around he's falling apart and he's like that's kind of what you know america will be but no anything he's built is not nice did you watch it there was a documentary about an architect called costas carianis and he and a lot of the documentary is about him convincing trump to not make his building gold in new york city and i i i and it's like is it gold in new york city or no but it's gold in vegas it's gold a lot of places but like he was going to ruin the the downtown of manhattan with a gold building why is that ruining it though a gold building why not you've spent too much time on the west

23:00coast but why is that bad why is it bad for it to be one color is it better if it's all black or it's all white or yellow it has a look it has a feel you can't come in with a gold building it's not vegas it's not atlantic city this is not reno like mandalay bay what goes on in a gold building i've never looked at a gold building and said i bet what goes on there is honest like and decent gold building should be for doing coke and losing money right that's what it's about you don't want to go to a gold building and get a checkup that's a good point yeah yeah that's a very good point that's what's gaudy yeah it's disgusting yeah yeah gaudy is a weird thing right like who's that who's that good for like when you go to a place and it's got opulent chandeliers yeah gilded you know furniture for sociopaths who sacrifice human beings that's the way they want to live they want to live in a

23:50uh a palatial opulent environment and then just you know i think matt taibbi said this yeah he said that trump is a poor person's idea of a rich person absolutely that's what when a rich person you think when a poor person thinks about a rich person they think oh he's got his name on his jet he's got his name on his building the guys i grew up with in long island if somebody went to them and said hey you could own the miss universe pageant you could have a building with your name on it you could be in the wwe that would be amazing you'd be a winner they would be a winner where i grew up in long island that would be that is the highest you can go so i think that's kind of what it is it's a very what's we see what's appealing that's also what's appealing about him what's appealing about him is there is no veneer right you don't get the idea that you're being played

24:40you get the idea you know you're kind of being played but you're being played on a level that you accept it's like when you go buy a car and you know the salesman you know i used to be in sales so like when i'll go to buy something sometimes i know the salesman needs the sale because i used to so like sometimes i'll be like yeah whatever it is what it is you know i just i'll do it that's kind of with trump you know you're being sold but you're okay with it right you let it happen what do you think is going to come after him oh it seems like he's throwing a giant monkey wrench into the gears if twitter is any indication a prolonged civil conflict uh where there will be where some uh it will emerge as a few different nation states um we'll barter with each other um i don't know maybe joe biden and then nothing he's got no chance he's he's who's coming i've she's got no chance

25:31bernie they hate now yeah they hate burning now a lot of people hate bernie what happened i don't know i missed it some guy on his staff was accused of sexual assault oh and now they hate bernie he's a rapist well that's you know that's what happens bernie's out he's a white straight male he doesn't get it ah he doesn't get it plus he has like two houses yeah he's worth like 300 000 you know that offends people does yeah how'd you get that money off the backs of poor people yeah in a country by the way where people make that in an hour on youtube you know some people do logan paul and all those guys those guys you know you see people in l.a i see a kid in la on a skateboard i'm like he's a millionaire he owns three houses because he's a youtube live streamer yeah he's probably playing video games on twitch yeah everything my parents told me to do go to school all that

26:20is impoverished my generation everything they told us not to do which is play video games watch tv get high is making people billionaires it's amazing yeah they were wrong they were definitely wrong the boomers were wrong about everything well they didn't see this coming they didn't see this craziness coming they didn't see anything coming you know what what concerns me is uh this the rise of people that think that everyone owes them something sure you know that's the story that's the weird one like we were talking about aoc who you know sudden she seems like a nice girl good looking woman she's young she's got energy she wants to do good things she wants to do some good ones but i saw the one thing that said give money to people who are unable or unwilling to work yeah that's not i saw that number that's not gonna work well it's not and they pulled that out they pulled that part

27:09out the unwilling part and unable to work makes total sense as a community we should take care of the people most of the people i know and comedy are unable to work most of us most of us yes this is the only thing we can do but her thing was a weird one because that that thing unwilling to work it's like hey hey you just you just crossed over into crazy town like this is but that means that crazy town was always in the back you always had that yeah when you put that on paper yeah that means this is something that's been discussed like part of the appeal and she just i don't know how influential she wasn't getting amazon to drop out of new york but i live in queens so everyone was paranoid amazon was coming right i was in a bagel i know carbs no good i was in a big old shop i gave up dairy two weeks ago i'm turning it around trying to get around i was in a bagel shop it was paranoid

27:56about amazon amazon's gonna come we're all gonna get priced out of our little shoe boxes that we live in or some of the people that own those shoe boxes were like i'm a millionaire now because amazon's coming and the but here's the thing it's hard to have a rational discussion about a inequality right now because in a place like new york city it's so expensive to live and the reason for that is that it's a destination for like foreign capital so essentially a lot of the buildings in new york city foreign people buy apartments they don't live in them they use it to like launder money and they buy them not even under their real name they buy them under the name of a shell corp like an llc and then they have like these investments and it it really makes everything insanely expensive that's what's making everything that's what's making a lot of real estate in new york city expensive what

28:42do you like what if you got to guess what percentage of like expensive apartments are owned by i'll tell you between 2008 and 2014 i think 50 percent of apartments going into contract were because i do a show but i used to be a double decker tour guide in new york city and so i do a show like a funny comedy show where i take i sell tickets i put people on a tour bus and then we go around these buildings just scream at uh these buildings it's fun it should be illegal but it's fun and and no one cares because they're not home because they're somewhere i mean if you look at who owns these buildings it's a guy who like is maybe a guy who owns a mining company and he poisoned a river in zambia a lot of these guys are doing things they shouldn't be doing and they want to stash their money in real estate london is insane it's more expensive than new york because london is all essentially shell

29:28corporations you know these phantom buyers buying up real estate in london in new york so you have people in new york that know the system is they know the market's being artificially manipulated bloomberg thought it was great bloomberg because we want all the billionaires he said it that was his quote we want all the it's like some of those billionaires have done things that would make you would keep you up at night they you know remembers like bring them in they eat shrimp and steak they'll go to peter lucas look at that we love him well he's just thinking of it as a businessman right that's the thing so people get fed up with this and dude when i was at my tour bus people would get on from regular places like pennsylvania and i would just point and go 10 million 20 million 30 and these people just shift uncomfortably in their seats like what the hell is going on

30:13right here this is the you know i saw trump getting elected during those tours cause i'm like a hundred million dollars and they're like sitting there like what i can't afford a knee operation well the idea that trump's not a part of that is even he is well listen in his his building was a huge destination russians love his building yeah they love it they love a brand name they love the plaza they love his building and a lot of interesting characters lived in trump tower didn't they take the trump tower name off of it in new york yeah no no i don't want him there was one of the buildings where the the people that owned the co-op decided to take the name off of it oh maybe there's a lot of shitty like trump nursing homes too as you drive into new york nursing homes you know those elderly people getting beaten it's hard sad joe you know they're getting fleeced and

31:00beaten you go by you see like trump pavilion it's like a soviet-era architecture horrible like old age home that's been there since the 70s and i'm like man i feel for the people in there the screams another new york condo votes to remove trump from name yeah new york city condominium on thursday removed president trump's name from the building's facade the second time in four months his name has been removed from a condo in the city 55 percent of trump placed condo owners at 120 riverside boulevard of manhattan voted in favor of removing the large sign above the front door the building's i mean that crazy who cares these are self-important people no one cares they're worried about their their security oh that's a good point yeah i think if you try to sell it and it's trump place and you know you're gonna eliminate 50 of your buyers the dictators that are buying

31:53those apartments i think it's great they probably don't maybe they don't maybe they're like you know maybe this is probably we'll probably go down the street to this no-name building would be better off but a lot of his condos were sold to you know mafia and you know russian business guys i mean he's always had that you know he did deals there was this firm located in trump tower called bayrock financial which was a it was headed by this guy felix sater felix sater was a guy who the fbi had uh convicted in like a russian pump and dump stock scam and he worked in trump tower with trump like he worked very closely with trump and felix had like informed i think on the russian mob for the feds and the feds kind of let him earn and let so trump has had this labyrinth of shady connections forever wow and i don't know if that means that he's i don't think he's an asset or of

32:39putin or anything like that i don't believe that i think that's kind of just you know i think it's a lot of people would like to believe that but he's a shady guy so if you have all these people pouring over his business deals for the last you know 50 years it can't be good there could be an amazing movie about him oh there will be yeah and who who would play him um good question hopefully not a white man christian bale uh let him get fat just like he did with dick cheney when he played if he could play dick cheney he can do trump he can play trump he was a great cheney i thought i heard i haven't seen him yet i heard it was amazing i you know the movie with like a lot of people the movie was good it was not you know it's i loved like the big short to me was amazing i don't think it was as good as that but christian bale is phenomenal he's a phenomenal actor would you

33:27i mean to gain that much weight to become another person that's the whole thing with jesse smiled it's like they're all all these actors are sociopaths yeah they're all sociopaths watch his good morning america interview and try not to laugh well now it's it's crazy when he said he's the gay tupac like did you see that but he was saying he fought back and created those guys like oh my god what crisis pr firm is telling him to do that the gay tupac no one's telling him to do that this is all this is uh bridgette fantasy said it best she's yeah this is good she's hilarious yeah she said this is what happens when you let actors write the script well that's true you see the plot twist coming a mile away the other night i was in l.a and an actor was at the table and he was talking and i'm like i don't know who this guy is but he's not even the person he is at this table right right

34:14he's trying out a person right now have you ever been in that situation i don't know who he is but he's not this guy he doesn't know who he is either he has no clue he's just good looking guy that's vapid he's full of nothing he wants to get famous yeah asap and they say things oh yeah that other people are saying here's one good to see you yes when they meet you they say good to see you because they might have met you and they don't want to forget 100 percent i i've said that before nice to meet you like actually we met before i'm like and then they also and they'll they'll ask in a very strange way they'll be like what's going on yeah like what's up what's going on like you wanna they wanna you want they want you they wanna be fed yeah they wanna be fed information yeah it's like what's going on and i'm like well you know a lot of projects crazy bro guest spotted flappers ah

35:02a lot of things happening and uh because you're always trying to mo that's the thing about l.a new yorkers just pound yourself into the ground until you get funny that's kind of what the new york scene the new york scene is like do 57 shows a day give up on your life don't speak to your family their losers are holding you back go hard la is like make a friend have lunch see what happens i talked to some of the people out here and i'm like what's the plan i get nervous for them i'm like they're getting high it's midday i'm like okay it's wednesday two they're like we just had a meeting i'm like what'd you do they go we're talking about starting a podcast i'm like that's not a meeting you're just friends with someone else yeah you're talking about stuff that's not a meeting but here's the thing it does work here and there are people that i know who've made the right friend and

35:52then their life changes yeah there's a little of that but those people are super transparent yeah if you don't have any talent that's never gonna it's everything no it'll never work and then everybody resents you there's a few of those people that really don't have any talent but they made the right friends and they cling onto folks and everybody gets real uncomfortable well that was the thing i think the first time we spoke is i'd written that thing about louie and after louie's the whole news but louie happened i loved that piece by the way thank you that was so accurate yeah and honest yeah it was on facebook which is where i did a lot of my best explain what you were saying to people that didn't read it after louie a lot of people uh were rightly you know criticizing conduct and you know the whole two thing that that's all valid and sure 100 needs to happen

36:32but then there were people that were like you know louie was never funny yeah or louis was just you know of course he got all these things he was a white guy or and i'm like wait what and they were like well he said this word i don't like well look at this joke and i'm like guys a week ago he was a comic genius we all agreed on that that was a widely held belief now out of nowhere he's not that funny and and these people are tweeting this from parking lots where they're performing some of these shows in la are in like someone's driveway you know yeah and which is fine i do them i have no problem with that yeah but they're getting on twitter and and knocking louie from the back of a parking lot where they're doing a show but what you the reason you gave for why well because these there's in any industry people are going to get ahead by being agreeable by having the right opinions by

37:21crowdsourcing their opinions by taking the temperature of the room and going how does everyone feel and those people are you know they're careerist they're very good at office politics they're very good at having the right friends but their contributions are never really important or long-lasting because they never get great because they don't take any risk because i think greatness is something you have to risk constantly to to get to that level yeah so a lot of these people do very well they make money they're they're successful but they are careerist and they're looking for comfort and so when it was comfortable and safe to attack louie and to bring louie down and to elevate themselves they did it but they didn't do it when it could have hurt their career a week earlier you know yeah so to me it was very disingenuous and the fact that more people weren't

38:14calling it out and i and i made that point where i said the same thing on the other side of people who styled themselves like i'm a free speech warrior i'm this anti-pc and their whole entire persona is is that the need to say the n word right they're like i can't do a joke if the punch line isn't like they're like we have to yeah so those to me are kind of the same people and they're they're the people that are just trying to arrange the world in a way that allows them to succeed those are the types of people also like you were talking about the actor in the you know you mean they're they're putting on a facade yeah this is not who they have adopted a predetermined pattern of behavior 100 and that predetermined pattern of behavior might be i'm a guy i drink every night we go hard i'm an artist i smoke cigarettes right i don't give a right no i'm not trying to get on tv

39:03yeah so to me it was like incredibly disingenuous you had all these people and a lot of them are angry and they're doing fine yeah like some of them are talent like some of these people have their own shows and they're getting angry at louie and they're getting angry and i'm like there's a there's a real because here's the thing artistic fear told me something made a lot of sense once he goes it's it can really be a waste to get into this type of business and end up in an office writing for a show you don't care about in a job you hate punching a clock and that stuck with me and always like it might be harder to go the other way and to build a fan base and to do what you want but it's going to be it's going to be better in the end and you're not going to be angry you're not going to be resentful and i think a lot of the people that were were again on his comedy not so much his

39:50behavior but his comedy are people that are would want more in this than they have and they're resentful at guys like louie because it is it's not fair how talented he is well it's not just how talented he is he's his work ethic there's a lot of factors the risks that he does take i mean he he says controversial things he always has whether you agree or not like one of the things about the parkland thing you know when he got in trouble about uh you know saying yeah that all you did was push some fat kid out of the way yeah that is so consistent with his material yeah the idea that anybody's saying like oh my god he's punching down like you need to go review his material again because he he said a lot of risky because it was funny and he had really good points about it yeah you know is that something that i would joke about probably not right but he did you wouldn't joke about fat people

40:41uh yes i would but uh i i don't think i would joke about kids getting shot it's a tough take yeah to make funny but that was yeah but i think he could i think honestly we were you're dealing with first of all the embryo of a bit i mean he's really only been doing stand up again for a couple of months and back then it was even less and i think ultimately his idea that bet is that bit rather is that kids today like they want to be a vey and of them and they have 78 different genders and why am i why are you interesting you're interesting because you didn't get shot right that is his take on it and he probably with overall reaction and anticipation of reaction probably would have eliminated that part of the bit sure and you know what i'm saying like you know how it works absolutely i think part of it is too i was attracted to comedy because of guys like bill hicks or patricia and

41:31people that could the things that those guys said you could only say on a stage if you were really funny right that's what i love about comedy me too that doesn't mean that everyone has to love that there's people that love it for a million different reasons sure but i love when bill hicks got up and he said i was for the war but against the troops yeah that's still to me one of the most amazing jokes i've ever heard when he goes we had a war in the states i was in the unenviable position of being for the war but against the truth yeah he's like all those men living together yeah it's not like i just don't like young people or whatever it's just great i'm like oh you couldn't say that in a human resources me you couldn't say that in an office right you couldn't say that if you were out to lunch with a bunch of people probably you couldn't get away with that

42:10unless you were really funny yeah but these guys have gotten so funny and they've you know perfected their craft to the point where they can get away with these things that the goal is to elicit laughter it's not really you're not going to change your mind but the goal is to make you laugh about something that's dark and horrible that's what i love about comedy yeah it's some of my favorite material some of my favorite material is up it's wrong you probably shouldn't have said it everybody make me howl out have you seen holtzman no you never seen brian holtzman no oh my god i like store yeah yeah i should check him out how long you down for i'm in town for the wide leaf early march for a wedding oh i'm coming back like a week a month now well he'll be here i'm sure he's here either friday or saturday because he doesn't really do the road okay he mostly just does the store yeah

42:57i don't even think he does other clubs i think he lost his story he's just there when i started in 94 he was coming up he was there at the store in 94. wow and uh he was already there when i got there right and i was like whoa this guy's gonna be huge and for whatever reason he never left he just does the store but he's a legend but it's the best room i mean i just did a few guest spots there and i'm like oh this is the best room in the like i wouldn't leave either i'm like this is amazing yeah but you gotta leave like i'm doing the improv tonight or well i did the improv the other night i'm doing the improv tomorrow night i mix it up yeah and i did the ice house last night right i mix it up you got i think you have to but it's the best room in the world is he one of those guys who does this stuff where you like i can't believe i'm laughing when susan smith drowned her kids remember that

43:40remember that he got on stage that night he's like ladies and gentlemen i heard those were bad kids i heard they sat that close to the tv they never put away their blocks they constantly spilled their milk those kids would not be missed it's like we were like jesus christ wow mitzi sure would not let him go on stage after 9 11. she would not let him go on stage she's totally gonna stay home she's like you're on the bench kid how long for like weeks oh my god he got she's like don't let him on he got benched after 9 11. by misty shore that's great bye mitzi she let you get away with anything yeah that's someone she was like no no and this is pre-social media too she wasn't worried about a tweet storm no no that she was like you can't you can't let them up i love pre-twitter to not let someone up it has to be so egregious he's a animal man that's awesome he's

44:31so funny he's so funny those are the things you laugh the heart you know when you're i always look at it as like when i was going through taco bell drive-through in 11th grade and we were all stoned the things you you would make jokes nobody in the car would ever go that's too much if they did get rid of them they're done yeah you know they don't know what it means that no we would say something things about each other's families my mother's just schizophrenic we would make fun of my mother you know and it it was great yeah i still do yeah if you're somebody in your family's mental wheel you're not making fun of them it's your problem the difference is between east coast and west coast comedy is that west coast comedy they hold that carrot of a sitcom yeah or uh you know hosting the tonight show or something like that above your head we have health insurance it's always there

45:16east coast comedy is just be funny be funny until you die be funny and and mean there's a lot of meanness and it's a lot of cold in the winter it's cold and mean and that's you know it's but you know what i like about west coast comedy too is it's a lot of performing because the rooms are big yeah the venues are big east coast rooms are a little smaller so you have a lot of like writers right i love the performing style so i kind of like seeing people in the store with big acts yeah there's not a lot of room to move like if you're at the stand or the cellar something you know they're a little small yeah they're tight little rooms you can't you still have there are some great performers in those rooms that rock out in controller environment but like when i was in the store i was like oh there's huge rooms big performers and that's awesome especially like the main room the main room is

46:01amazing giant stage yeah it is interesting i like those really small intimate rooms in new york they lend themselves a lot to talking to the crowd and being sharp and having really sharp bits yes that hit mm-hmm and then i think and that's why you gotta go everywhere because you need that when you go on the road you wanna you want a little bit of everything yeah you wanna be able to perform and you wanna have sharp jokes but you gotta be able to do crowd work you gotta you know yeah i started out in boston and boston was always no one has a long attention span everybody wants you to do the jokes quick and if you start bombing you're not going to recover really nobody recovers in boston it's tough out there once you start eating they're done with you bobby kelly would tell me stories about like the rooms he came up doing they are rough rooms yeah we came up together yeah i mean i did a

46:44lot of road gigs yeah yeah yeah and which was that like what area of boss is that like outside of boston yeah we did a lot of the dick darty comedy huts okay out in the middle of no it sounds great though worcester oh they were great they were aku akus yeah which is like a polynesian restaurant yeah and uh they would have comedy hut i went i did it i did one of the 50 minutes netflix specials i went the next day two two days later i went to a room in massachusetts outside of boston and i bombed so bad it was amazing i was like well this is why the funniest people in the world come from this state where was it where you were i have where was i i forget it was a um i don't want to say the actual who did book it this guy booked it he knows exactly he'll probably tweet me or something but it was in god it was out it was like 20 minutes outside it was in it was in um

47:36not hingham but it was it was somewhere and it was not good it was just a bar it was a circular bar and i got up and then nobody was like in the middle of my set a woman the drunk woman started yelling at me and then i yelled back at her and then it was okay because we yelled at each other for 20 minutes that was the show what did she yell i think it was something you're not funny a fat something like that something that was justified at that moment in the set when i went back at her i was like listen to me you animal and then it was great and then they they perked right up right and then the material worked after that sometimes this is exciting when something like that happens like finally that was it was the trump moment yeah this moment where people like sat up in their chairs they're like okay we can you know um when i was living in boston you could make a living

48:23and not leave oh wow you could stay in boston and you could go 20 minutes here 30 minutes there you go to andover you go to hingham you go to framingham you go to all these different places and you can do gigs and i mean you wouldn't get rich but you could pay your bills and never leave town and so there was so much comedy there were so many rooms like barry katz had a bunch of rooms and the comedy connection had a bunch of rooms and mike clark had a bunch of rooms and they were that's what like really got you really strong yeah because you're mostly doing these hell gigs you're doing these hell gigs everywhere and so when i came to new york what got me was that everything was like small there were small crowds small stages and you would do a short amount of time yeah and i was like whew i don't like this that much it was like a showcase set like 15 10 15 minutes yeah because i

49:16was doing like middle sets i'd do a half hour yeah and then if i was headlining i'd do 45 minutes so come out to long island we have kind of it's an approximation yeah you know of uh boston they're wild folks oh i did a lot of gigs in on long island yeah a lot of gigs in long island they'll the benefit of the doubt is non-existent yeah when i got out there eastside comedy club was there oh wow that was back in the day when jenny was still around i remember i tell the story all the time but it's so crazy like people forgot how god damn good richard jenny was he was there one night he did four different hours on friday and saturday so he did two shows friday two show saturday four completely different hours and the the the opening act and the this uh uh the was it who the was the uh the emcee was a friend of mine peter god damn it peter boyle peter pale

50:06forgiving peter bales yeah yeah yeah i know glasses yeah good dude yeah older guy yes yeah yeah he was younger back then um this is back in the disney but he he was just like shaking his head like what the man the guy did four different hours yeah and i remember you know i was just barely starting out i was sitting back going what the yeah how does a man do four different hours because he didn't repeat a premise he didn't repeat a punch line he did and he crushed and this is one weekend one weekend two shows friday two shows saturday he was a genius man he was responsible for so many people's acts too he would tighten up people he worked a lot with rock you know worked with a lot with chris on the road and worked on helped him with his specials was he from boston jenny or no he was a new york guy okay yeah yeah i think he was from uh brooklyn he was amazing man but that was

50:55a east side comedy club back in the day yeah yeah no it's good those rooms like governors and brokerage i like those rooms because you you go out there and if you're you're funny or funny you'll kill it yeah and if you're if you're like lacking or if you're like a bit half done they'll let you know they'll let you know they'll let you know yeah they paid the money yeah they'll let you know yeah ah you'll hear it audibly yeah they're gonna but that's good you need that yes like holly quinn builds his shows there and they're amazing yeah because and they're you know his new show's great red state blue state but like did he build it out there i don't know if he did this one he built a lot of his shows out there because like he goes out there and he says if it's good they're really going to let you know right so it's where a lot of comics will go and test similar to those rooms in boston

51:34you really test you get coddled a little bit in new york city in l.a yeah you get cuddles so you gotta go out there to somebody who doesn't give a that's you know the people who were like listen i'm either those people out there don't choose to laugh right they laugh or they don't right you go to echo park they choose yeah they sit there and they go or they'll go like this and go no like in their face you'll see it they'll be like no out in those areas like long island it's an instinctual guttural laugh yeah it's not it's it's it's not that yeah the thing about like laughter when you're choosing to laugh right in here and there it's so pretty pretentious it's not fun yeah it goes back to that example of like growing up you're making people laugh who the hell is choosing to laugh what psychopath is sitting there going ah also they're mostly in the business like

52:30a lot of the audiences in the business the whole thing is weird the entire thing is agents who are like 22 years old yep they're like embryos they're so young the agent and agents and managers for the most part excluding mine who i love but agents and managers they're rich kids who can't do tech or finance let's a lot of them there's quite a few let's be honest these are rich kids whose parents go hey can you do something because i don't want to look at you anymore and they're not going to get a job at jollibee right so they're going to go get a desk at uta or cia or wme and most i mean everyone needs one too that's the other thing like you're not going to negotiate on your own you're going to do a terrible job if you negotiate your own gigs i will take any amount of money to do anything i mean i i i mean i'm horrible at negotiating i was bad in sales sales didn't work and

53:24now i'm here you know apparently bill murray doesn't have an agent or a manager he has an answering machine and people call him up and they make him offers to do things and he'll like listen to those messages and go i'll do that one and he just goes and does it well if you're like a legend like that yeah i guess you can do that he can do whatever he wants what an interesting system i need an agent like blackmail people cia level blackmail to get me into rooms well the thing it's it's not just that like you need someone to actually do the talking for you oh yeah like get gigs oh yeah or you know to negotiate your money or to do your air travel she'll call me and she'll be like they wanted 85 shows over the weekend i got them down to six you know yeah cause i'm like a newer comic so if they want nine and seven shows i do it yeah i'll do it do you get one five shows on saturday i'll do it

54:14for three shows on saturday night yeah three at the same clubs sometimes yeah those are weird that third show you don't know what the the third show's not even comedy anymore i don't know what is happening accounting i don't know what's happening at that point but um it can be really fun the third show a lot of times is people the audience is people who've been asked to leave other venues right so they're drunk and walking by the club and they're going i don't know and you just their friend brings them in this is literally i've heard i've literally spoke to somebody i'm like why are they here and they were going well we were asked to leave and they saw it and they just saw the lights and they liked lights so we brought them in and now you're talking about you know frozen yogurt or whatever and they're you know but it's nuts the third show's crazy what's the latest

54:56set you can get in new york city these days oh you can get like i think it's like a 2 45 or something you can get something 2 45 maybe it's 2 30 maybe it's two you can get something really late wow people are up who the is there at 2 45. there's people really yeah what's it like it ain't i mean i think it i think it's pretty good depending on the night like a saturday night 2 45. probably great why i mean listen as it gets louder it gets yeah i think the seller's the latest i think you can get but as it gets louder i mean as it gets later people get drunker i used to do danger fields that's still there yeah and we used to do prom shows yeah do you ever do the prom show thing i'm not a prom show act this is what they do if a bunch of kids are sitting there and i walk out on stage it's a bad problem well it's always a bad problem those prom shows are terrible yeah but what they do is

55:42they they don't you back in the day at least they didn't change the crowd so you would you would go out like say if there's like four comics on the lineup there's an mc and three other comics and then there's the next show it starts all over again same three comics the audience is there so they want you to do the exact same act so that the kids will leave because they have no account of the kids so the buses pull up and they're just stuffing these kids in there and they're hoping that if you do the same bits the kids will get bored and they got mad at me because i'm like look i'm not doing the same material i see the same faces it's boring yeah i'm only doing a 15-minute set i go i have more material i'm going to do other other bits yeah and they're like you got to do the same jokes we're trying to get these people out of here i'm like how about just

56:26just grab them just get them out of here yeah just light a fire but we would do until five o'clock in the morning dangerfield the last time i was in danger fields there was four people in a room two couples the waiters about in his mid 80s uh it's dark and i'm performing in front of a piano it's one of those nights where you go you know this was a choice i made to get into this business um but there's something haunting about that room and it was actually fun i'm just entertaining two couples yeah it's crazy i did one couple once at dangerfield yeah there was no one there was no show i had a nine o'clock spot listen to this there's never a show i had a nine o'clock spot yeah i got there at 8 45. the comics are sitting around the bar i go what's going on like there's no one here i go there's no one here yeah and then right when i said that this couple walked up

57:13and uh bobby who was the uh the doorman was this yeah scottish power lifter guy he was like five foot ten and five foot ten wide oh interesting i saw him grab a kid by his neck at one of these prom shows and pick him up by his neck and carry him out of there jeez but anyway he was this tank of a man he was always hilarious and ruthless on the comedian yeah yeah yeah yeah you're going to try that bag of you call a act and anyway uh these people walk in he's like ladies and gentlemen welcome to danger fields come on right in and he he brings them in and these people walk into his empty room and sit down and they're like what the is going on like it's crazy and then all of a sudden the lights come on and then the mc comes out and they sat through all of us wow sat through i was like you know fourth on the lineup or something like that i think i did my 15 minutes

58:03in front of these two people and they were into it they were great yeah they were great but it was weird you know it's those shows what's good about those shows they build you well they may they let you know what's in your act because you feel embarrassed saying it that's a great point yeah you feel it feels clunky coming out of your mouth right especially to three people well it's always things are always clunky right right like what when when it's a small crowd they're really clunky like when you're working on material every time i have a premise or even if i'm telling a story a lot of times like as i'm starting to tell the story like the beginning part is a little clunky and maybe i'm saying something the wrong way and it doesn't make total sense and then eventually it catches on if you do that in front of two people right they're like what are you doing yeah the

58:47best story about danger fields was there was a guy who walked in once i was sitting in the the bar area he had a rodney gingerfield uh doll and he walked in he goes listen i've had a business for two you know for 10 years up the block we found this doll i'm moving you know wherever he was going he's like we're closing up shop here you go i thought you might like it and then the guy took it he said to the owner he said he just there was no speaking right he just showed him the stall and then the owner just pointed and then the guy carried this rodney dangerfield doll down the stairs and just put it in like storage and it was the darkest moment it's just such a dark moment to sit there silent just the owner went yeah and pointed and the guy just took this dangerfield doll and he walked it down into god only know the phantom of the opera whatever the hell goes down

59:34under that club but yeah that's a real that's like the oldest club in the country how's it still open i that is a great question that the fbi would probably want to look into i don't know because everybody's got that same story people was there people got 25 years ago 25 years ago there was no one there i mean that show that i'm telling you about that was 25 years ago there's never been anyone there i don't know they make money off those prom shows though they were packed it's like a great joke about like nanette that uh my buddy nick mullen who's an amazingly funny comedian said he's like no one's seen it it's just a trailer like no one's seen the net it's just a trailer and everyone's like it's brave it's amazing it's my number one it's just a trailer it literally doesn't exist so maybe i don't know but it is it's one of those rooms in new york that's kind of haunting yeah it's a

60:20strange place did you ever listen to the day the laughter died no it's dice clay's double album that he filmed there with no audience no one knew he was coming he had no material zero that's amazing he just started talking about and ad-libbing things yeah and he was as big as a comedian could be at the time and he called it the day the laughter died rick rubin produced it that's no i've heard of it but i didn't know it was just brilliant terrible at the same time really some guy gets up in the middle of the set he goes you're about as funny as a glass of milk oh my god what a polite what a polite heckle what an old-fashioned heckle i've never heard that usually people are like shut up saggy you're about as funny as a glass of milk that's lovely yeah some guy from connecticut or something like that you know and he got mad he got mad at dice and and you know the dice just on

61:13him and on everything guys probably just destroyed him well it was it was destroying him but i'm telling you he wasn't even trying right it was it was like he was at some crazy place in his career where he just decided to do a set where he's bombing do you ever think of doing something like that crazy you never think of just going crazy and doing something completely yeah i'm just trying to do first of all i i would feel bad i can't do something bad on purpose because then people if i do something bad like if you ladies and gentlemen if you hear it and it sucks i up that's it i made a mistake i didn't do it good right i didn't uh didn't put it together right it's trial and error sometimes it's an error yeah i'm not going to do anything bad on purpose yeah but he was so big and no one had been that big before you have to realize no one had done arenas before him right he was the first

62:04arena first yeah the first yeah and a hundred of them he would do them all over the country yeah and he just had had enough for whatever reason yeah of everybody loving him yeah and he's like you he just went out and just said it double cd it's great double cd it's like a broadway show like a live album recording of a broadway show hours of no material just rambling talking about stuff punch lines that don't make sense he's just out there doing whatever great to this day it's one of my favorite comedy albums of all time i'll listen to it every now and then for like 15 minutes in my car and just go what the that's amazing is it all at dangerfield yes oh wow all that danger feels no one knew he was coming yeah and when they saw him they're like holy it's nice clay there's probably 20 people in the crowd they were so excited they probably did it on a tuesday or something right

62:55he's an animal that's amazing though yeah that's amazing that's to me that type of stuff i like i like that type of stuff because to me it's like it's the raw essence of what this is i found out about it from another comedian named mike donovan a hilarious guy from boston yeah and he was crying laughing describing it and describing this bit that dice was doing about nixon eating ass he's like oh i love the eaters give me that fat ass and he was doing this it's crazy whatever it was so ridiculous but for whatever reason mike donovan was tears were coming out of us he couldn't breathe as he was describing it i was like god i gotta listen to this dice is one of those guys when you're watching me like this guy can just talk yeah and it's funny well he's gonna be interesting he's been around for so long yeah and you know to me he's always represented to me my childhood yeah because when i was

63:46like 19 was the first time i listened to his cassette in my car with my girlfriend and i could i just we were just crying and laughing i couldn't believe how funny he was is that what made you is he one of the guys where you were like i want to start doing stand up yeah for sure he was definitely one of them him and kennison him and kenneth and prior but prior was see like i remember watching those guys and then watching prior and like god pryor was so smooth he was so he was so personable and vulnerable he was something different because he was vulnerable you know he would talk about like his life and his his problems and all these different things about being addicted to drugs and all these different it was so intelligent but vulnerable and honest and and the timing was so good he was such a master i remember we were watching as me and my roommates at the time we

64:36watched the kinnison special and then we watched richard pryor and my friend who was never a comedian never even thought he goes that guy's the best yes he's just the best yeah and it was just we were both in agreement like yeah he's just better he's just the way he did it you know and this is you know we're talking like 1988 sure so it was it was still fairly fresh and pryor was still alive and it was just different you know he was uh he was like the first i mean obviously lenny bruce was the first really honest comedian like or one of the first honest social commentators and then you know carlin but pryor took it to a weird personal place where you like were rooting for him he was the most personal of all those guys because hicks and carlin were famously like not personal yes and prior was personal yes yeah yes personal and and you know he would like

65:32emphasize humanity yeah like you would emphasize like loving each other and being kind to each other like that was a thing yeah absolutely yeah absolutely but uh you know i i my parents took me to see live at the sunset strip when i was a little kid oh you saw it the actual no no i saw it in the movie theater right in the movie theater and that that was probably the big seed that was the impact yeah yeah because i couldn't believe how funny this guy was just talking yeah i remember looking around the theater and these people were like falling out of their chairs laughing and i'm like i can't believe this guy is just talking and it's amazing yeah because all these movies that i'd seen that were really funny there was a bunch of things happening and explosions and stripes yeah but this was not that yeah i saw i saw eddie pepitone taped his special a few days ago at uh dynasty typewriter

66:17and he's one of those guys who's so funny and so electric yeah that you have a room full of you know the type of people we're kind of talking about you're more buttoned up you know more of that kind of alternative crowd they were barking and howling and how funny he was and some of the things he said the first thing he does he grabbed the microphone and he's like i'm on molly the whole room just exploded and he's one of those dudes i watch and i'm like man intensity is just raw power yeah he's such a nice guy too he's a great dude yeah you know him yeah you root for him oh yeah a sweetheart of a guy yeah and an uh an odd guy like i don't know any other eddie pepitones no that's what makes him so great yeah he's like this is an experience and the be to me the best comedy i think is a comedy where you go oh i'm having an experience now i can't have again right right i can't have this again

67:12right especially a live show yeah i can't go down the block and see this yeah it's not a steakhouse it's the same in every city right this is a unique human individual that's having this experience at this moment and i'm lucky to be here with you yeah yeah yeah yeah live shows man there's something about it that it's so hard to translate when you when you did your netflix special you did one of the 15 minute ones yes how many they're doing a lot of those which i think is a good move they're doing four to five thousand joe it's a great move it's a great move to have everyone have a special i think my mother's doing one it's very exciting uh you don't even have to do comedy to have a special anymore no you can just sit in a car and talk that's my next submission tape will be me speaking in a in a car going through an in and out uh bill burr's videos of him driving around his people

67:59they're funnier than just talking about the funniest thing about their most specials um the netflix was a lot of fun but here's reality i watch it back and i'm like it was funner in the room you know it's just one of those things i bet bring the pain was better in the room even though it's amazing right right you watch that and you're like this is the highest heights of anything yeah that's why when someone makes you laugh really hard on a special like god imagine would have been like being there oh yeah i mean there's comedy is an act i have one of my friends always says comedy should be seen live in and listen there's something different about a smaller venue like when people go see you at the store there's something different than seeing you in a theater yeah the level of intimacy yeah you know seeing you work stuff out seeing you on in on the you know in the

68:43moment there's something different about that 100 yeah yeah i i like a 150 to 300 seat room that's what i like but i also i like 11 000 seats too yeah crazy it's fun in a weird way that's amazing and if you can make those people like feel like it's intimate it's it's like you can you can treat 11 000 people the same way you treat the main room it's like a 500 500-seat room that's filled with about 80 people that's good too that's because there's low expectations that's what i like i like a big room full of a very small amount of people and they can sit back and get really drunk and relax send all the wait staff home shut off most of the lights yeah there's something there's uh there's something going on when you're doing a live performance that no one's ever really quantified it's some kind of uh mass hypnosis it's an energy transfer yeah because i was an actor for when i

69:31was a kid i was six years old to 12 i was an actor whoa yeah your parents idea uh it was my idea joe and uh like when you were six years old you were six yeah it was great i was i knew it great license yeah i was on sesame street twice wait really yeah oh legit was it really your idea yeah i pointed at the tv and said well unless my parents are lying because i don't remember and they are liars so they needed money also they said i pointed to the tv and said i want to be on that and i just and i and i made them you know take me on auditions now maybe they were looking over their bills and i was a good-looking little kid and they said he needs to start pulling his weight and you know we got to start taking him up yeah i was on sesame street i was in a bunch of plays and stuff that live performance is different it's still energy yeah but there's nothing quite like being alone

70:21on a stage doing comedy well there's also much later it's all your you're writing it you're figuring out how to say it yeah you're crafting it putting it together yeah and that's why the rejection is the deepest how do you write i go on stage with an idea and i started doing these little videos on instagram where i actually kind of rant about an issue and if people kind of respond positively to them sometimes i'll take that to the stage and i'll just try to rant about an issue and like find a few lines that are keepers that are funny and that's and then i'll sit down and rewrite it and relook at the bit and re but a lot of what i do has to be like how does it sound what's what's the inflection what's the pacing so like being on stage helps a lot yeah but there are things that i what's hard for me what i have to get better about is writing about things i don't care about

71:12somehow so like if like if you said give me 50 jokes about the kardashians i i would not want to do that but why would you need to well i'm not saying i do but i mean that's a skill some people have there's great monologue joke writers and stuff but if i see something that's ridiculous that i'm like perplexed by or i think is funny i can devote attention and energy into making that funny yeah i say just concentrate on that all that other stuff i mean that's that's but i do i am in awe of certain people where you could go oh here's a topic give me 50 jokes and they'll have them and they're good but you notice that those guys usually wind up working as writers and they always feel kind of shitty that's a lot of them do that's not a good when you're a great comic and you're working as a writer on a sitcom that's a that's a bad and you were talking about

71:59it earlier like yeah i know a few guys like owen smith you know owen smith i don't know him now i've heard the name one of the best stand-ups in the country yeah he's so good right he has his bit i don't want to tell you much about it because it's about adopting a white sun it is one of the funniest bits i've ever seen in my life it's so good that you're like holy yeah it's so it's so twisted yeah and so it's so like you can't believe what he's saying while he's saying it right but this is a guy that is i mean skill wise one of the best stand-up comics in the country yeah but he's not known for it as much as he's got a real career as a writer you know he's trying to branch out and move away from that but god damn that guy murders when he's in the comedy store i always sit in the back of the room and watch yeah when a lot of people i guess with families and kids got to make decisions

72:47exactly exactly that already thing stuck with me when it's like do you want to be doing something you don't care about yes so to me i have to write about things that i'm interested in like i think people the people's careers that i want or the people that i envy their careers seem to be led by their interests yeah things that interest them yeah well that's a better life yeah you know i uh i've done both i've done like when i was doing fear factor i wasn't remotely interested in it other than the paycheck right it was a good gig i'm not like i'm not on it was a great gig i love that i had that job i love being financially stable you know at the time i was like good now i don't have to worry about paying my bills it's a nice thing and it was a great group of people that i work with producers and everybody network everybody's great but there's such a difference between doing that and then

73:32doing a podcast oh yeah there's a giant difference well that's the way and the the way that i've kind of done my podcast is like what do i care about yeah what do i want to know about who can i feasibly get on to talk about it those are the things that are interesting to me yeah not so much like let's just pick a topic that's in the news right that everyone will have a take on but i mean even even that if that's what you're interested in yeah of course if you're interested in that yeah but as a comic to have no boss is so nice yeah that's something nice oh it's the that's the move yeah nice these comics that get they they get pigeonholed and stuck into these gigs yeah where they don't want to up the gig so they don't want to say anything controversial so their material gets bland and some of them take these big moral stands and it's like well you're making

74:17a crazy amount of money like some of them like i won't work here and i won't work if that person is on the lineup i won't do it and i'm like yeah but you're making a lot of money that yeah that drives me crazy it's crazy that i'm not gonna work with unless someone's stealing right unless someone's stealing or they're punching people or they're being a rapist or something i mean this is something so egregious they should probably be in jail like what what you got creative differences right you baby yeah get over it yeah just just get up there yeah i've worked with a lot of people i don't enjoy working yeah and i don't have the luxury of like you know i'm gonna i won't work this venue because this person worked there it's like that's in that's good you know well i still don't i mean at the store that this i'm there all the time with people i don't even hardly know

74:57right you know i mean you you're on a lineup with 14 15 people yeah that but that's good too that's true the half of those people could be rapists more than half right that's a clip right there yeah it depends on whose definition this is right used to be actual rape right now it's like words right you gotta be careful you know true yeah well that's where we come in that's where it's very confusing right because we as comics especially comics like you and i that say up yeah you can get away with things that are really not supposed to be in society anymore so sometimes people will get up and leave like i can't believe like hey i'm joking sure don't you get that i'm joking aren't you drunk aren't you in a room isn't it 11 30 at night or you perform earlier but with me i'm like isn't it 4am yeah what's the problem right if you can't take this opinion now when are you gonna take it

75:51yeah and sometimes it's not good yeah sometimes the materials it's not those parkland kids that never worked where i said i don't want anyone to get shot but the kid these kids are annoying these five are annoying i said i don't want anyone to get shot i don't want any so i said let's ban guns but first we have to shoot these kids we have to kill the parkland kids these five we have to shoot the phones out of their hands and they're gonna be the last and we're gonna explain to them we're gonna go we're banning guns you'll be the last five people to ever die and it didn't work and people's people were not exactly thrilled with it but it's like you should be able to try you should be able to try you got to try should be able to sometimes like you know you were saying you go on stage with a premise and then in the middle of doing that premise you'll find the beats

76:33sometimes you don't find the beats yeah sometimes you think maybe there's something there i've had a few bits where i was sure there was something there i've never been offended by a joke that's me personally like i've never have you ever been offended by a joke no i've never been offended but i've been like ugh that one wasn't good but that's normal sure yeah yeah it's um the the finding the beats on stage in front of a live crowd too there's something about that high wire act that makes your brain go to these weird places that comes up with punch lines you have to find a punch line you have to find something funny you have to these people paid money it's like it's like waving a steak in front of a junkyard dog and you keep tossing them little bits and then eventually like you have to throw on the steak and sometimes there's no punch line that's that's just part of the gig you

77:19got just a trump rally yeah just screaming if he doesn't get elected do you think he goes and starts a podcast tv network he totally could yeah he totally could probably be better for him honestly that's what he thought he was gonna do i think before he got elected i think he was having high level meetings with people in the media space to start something like that well once nbc fired him nbc fired him while he was running because of the stuff that he said about mexico that they're all rapists yeah he's like someone's doing the raping right delay talks just so crazy it's out of control for a person running for president nbc is like that's it we're getting rid of you and then they put arnold in his place and that was a disaster yeah you remember that people forgot yeah arnold hosted the apprentice you're fired yeah that was it was horrible it was terrible yeah trump was on him

78:09did they just scrap the show after that yeah they canceled it well here's the question does he go back to the apprentice well if nbc isn't the presidency i think he's too toxic now no i think he's way too toxic maybe he could come up with something like that for fox oh fox is in just scoop them up that's what's great about fox they'll play ball yeah they'll play ball yeah they're not going to leave money on the table you know what though they didn't want megyn kelly back like yeah well she did a thing i'd used to do the show redeye on fox news which was comics would just try to be funny yeah it was they aired it at like 3 a.m east coast time and i saw her the week she was doing that and she was in like the dressing room and she knew she shouldn't have left she could feel it she'd already made the decision but you could kind of see it in her face that i think she knew

78:55that she was going to try to be this daytime tv queen and like let's bake cupcakes you know yeah i just spent four years on fox news talking about santa being white but now let's bake cupcakes because i'm i'm america's sweetheart that's never gonna work well it's weird when you publicly change your image it's it's insane you're publicly changing your image yeah her shirts her skirts got longer oh yeah she covered her neck yeah you know there's no more cleavage every show was about sexual assault she was trying to make every single show what do you think that's all about i think she was trying to ingratiate herself in with the people that hated her which is like the new york media types the people that did not like her and then she was like but it wasn't even just about sexual assault like one of them was a lady who matt lauer and she knew she was him and she

79:40was talking about she him well i didn't know any better i was 25 like right i was 25. you a guy you me what what happened that's bad here right well he shouldn't have you because he was married okay after that what happened what's going on right nothing you just him yeah who cares it was why is this a segment of a show is it and is it scandalous is that kelly did an interview with her yeah great yeah it was you know and she was saying you know i was young and i was impressionable which sure of course it's funny to see them all put nails in each other's coffins right right isn't that great media is like this blood feud there's only a few families that control all this information they all hate each other that's why succession is such a great show well i think with megan it was like that she had been sexually harassed while she was at fox news she was going after us yeah yeah so she

80:28was going after and i think bill o'reilly too i think there was some something he paid somebody's 38 million so it's like that's a lot what did he do i think he was 32. was it 32 or 38. what did that guy do and my grand my grandfather still has a bill o'reilly patriots welcome doormat wow you know it's a good mat i mean imagine that's a giant amount of money it's the amount of money where what he did should be i mean it seems like it's it could be a netflix documentary right it's going to hot it's like horrific like he offered her 37 million she's like no keep going yeah yeah right i'm gonna need more right i'm gonna need more after what you did to me this is a 32 million offense yeah well there was that one recording that you left on some assistance adrian mackris yeah that woman yeah touch it with a little loofah sponge or something you know i mean that's his that's what

81:21he was trying to do that's how a creepy old guy move yeah get you with a sponge it's an interesting he tried to have his ex-wife he tried to have his ex-wife excommunicated from the church what great did he oh he tried i mean no why well because he wanted her to go to hell a church yeah imagine what kind of donation you have to make to get your ex-wife sent to hell probably 32 million he's got it but he wanted her excommunicated that's the type of guy he is well the crazy thing is even after all this the guy still had the number one book in the new york times people yeah people dig in they still those old they just give in they dig in they don't care they like them they don't know who he is he's folksy he's like my uncle he's a good man he's someone he spent 40 million dollars for some woman he tortured the tide goes in the tide goes out i'm with god

82:11i'm with god yeah when he was doing that that tide goes in the tide goes out you can't explain it one i was like wow you went to harvard you piece of yeah well you can explain that a lot of those guys are they wear religion like a it's fashionable to wear it they wear it they know trump does that he gets out and goes i'm a christian i may not be the best christian but i'm a christian i have leadership good enough it's good enough you know and you're like not the best christian you're a thrice married guy who owns gambling and a in a miss universe pageant you're a biblical think that's like a biblical figure that would be like a roman king that everybody was warned about like in terms of like i mean i want him to shave his head what do you think that will do i just freed him i think it would be funny if you shaved it like somebody had a cancer issue and he just shaved it with them to

83:08be a good guy well it doesn't look good that's what's confusing to me like when i realized it has a style when my hair wasn't looking good it was impossible to look good it was falling out to the point like this is just a mess right then i went and buzzed it but he uh i always remember you like used to my generation always remembers you like the just the bald virile yeah yeah it's nice i've been i've been like this for a long time yeah i'm solid eight plus years yeah bald how do you is you want trump to to just go um i think he would be better off it'd be easier like he's not good looking like he must know that he would that would complete his transformation into a super villain i guess like a lex luthor type guy oh yeah yeah but i just like i just it's it's got to be so much work to put that hair together i think someone does it from but even then you got to talk to them while

84:00they're putting it together i bet you he doesn't talk to them everything he does just tweets angry i bet you he's not concerned with the human relations with his staff i just get that vibe i get that five i get that vibe the person who's in charge of the hair just does the hair i hope he retire when he retires or when he's done i hope he goes right into podcasting would you have him on right now yes yeah of course you have to you have to yeah yeah yeah for sure yeah yeah why not why wouldn't he come on uh this is three hours he's busy and i had some jokes about him he's petty he hates comedy he does not like to be made fun of he doesn't like to be made fun of i'm sure michelle wolfe got him on twitter a few times yeah she did the correspondence center and he went after her but she came right back at him and she wrote i i bet you'd be on my side if i killed a journalist yeah

84:49yeah michelle's a kill shot yeah it's a kill shot you're not going to win yeah she's she snuffed him out without she's great man she'll just forget it he just dropped off the face of the earth out he was done she neutered him one tweet neutered yeah there's some people that go after him though and it doesn't work and he doesn't respond and it looks so weird it's weird when i see my aunt tweeting at him i'm like what do you think this is gonna do my aunt with 43 followers what did she say um you were disgusting representation of this country she'll tweet this right and then i have another aunt who's the other side that'll be like i believe in you keep going yeah and i just imagine him scrolling through these messages and reading this do you think he like looks at and i think he only looks at verified accounts i think he's got like if you think about how many people he follows on twitter i

85:40think if he's wise he doesn't see the mentions i'll tell you right now his biggest fans are not verified his biggest fans do not have a blue check they're under 100 followers they have dog like his biggest fans not just people who voted for him the people that are still like in love with them yeah a lot of them have dog profile pictures like a dog that recently died there's a lot of dead dogs floating around facebook flags the banners none of them have ever served in the military right but they all have the flag they all have the flag no one's ever served and um 43 to 48 followers maga on the in the profile hashtag mega hashtag you know a lot of them aren't real do you know that what are they they're russian bots really yeah yeah yeah it's real yeah there's a guy in russia who's got that job it's not yet trying to impersonate my lot on long island there's a lot of

86:33people that have them they have various accounts they they use interesting there's a woman named rene de resta she's coming on the podcast soon she did a study of this for uh uh i forget what she did it for but she was on sam harris's podcast so she went in depth with it i'll send it to you afterwards please it's amazing but they did all kinds of crazy like they would have like a pro-muslim group and they would put on a demonstration right across the street from a pro texas group and they would organize both of them they would really yeah yeah they organized just so discord they would organize uh african americans against hillary clinton anyone but hillary we gotta vote for jill stein we gotta vote for anyone and they would like she doesn't represent us this is all russians yeah and then they would have other people that were like pro bernie yeah and then hillary over bernie

87:19and these are russians cia will just foment coups and overthrow their leaders yeah you know it's nice that we'll just kill their people we don't with their social media i think we with their social media i'm sure we can listen i'm sure we do i'm sure there's like i wrote off a lot of that russian stuff is like people's wishful thinking but the more and more i read about it the more there is like a coordinated attempt seemingly yeah to influence social media and so disco yeah yeah there's 100 a real thing going on because this woman documented it and she was also really funny like she was talking about how many of the memes that they created that were really funny oh they're hilarious yeah and they came out of russia so there's a bunch of guys in a room in moscow creating memes yeah and it's so funny this is like they went through kgb training or whatever it is now fsb

88:00and this is where they ended up i think they just hired people this is the frontier of the war against the united states the thing is though if they can do that and get people really upset if they really can't do it that's a really effective strategy it's a great strategy you can make things happen now because it's just sewing internal discord and we're going to collapse our own system like i wonder how many of these jesse smole uh is that they say his name jesse smallet is russian the whole thing is russian it's not even real the whole thing is russian jesse smalley doesn't exist i wonder how many of the memes were created by russians to try to get people upset i bet there's bunch i bet there's more people stirring things up than just amazing americans that are upset no i'm sure it's people that are but then there's also just a lot of americans that hate each other does that

88:45yeah yeah there's that then you also what do you think happens with jesse smallat is empire because abc got rid of roseanne for a tweet you got to get rid of this guy i thought he was getting canceled he was getting written out rather i thought i read today but yeah i don't know i thought he was getting written out before this is one of the reasons why he did it well i support him if that's the case because he's a very hard business this is a very tough business it is hard it's hard to make it i love that they had to plan that out and he said to the two guys he goes listen get a noose yeah go get rope and do a noose a lot of these hate crimes first of all hate crimes happen and they're horrible yeah but some of these things are fake do you know he showed up at the hotel with the news still around his neck holding a subway sandwich just that alone the people the people at

89:32the hotel should have been like what what happened that's amazing okay what happened why do you have your sandwich juice you still have the sandwich and why are you eating at subway oh you're not sick to your stomach you're on empire what the hell is wrong with you you're wrong subway the subway's not good it's not bad if you're hungry listen i've clearly eaten it yeah but it ain't great but if it's like two o'clock in the morning it's the only thing open why is it coming at two a.m that's a great place cause it's open because it's a good move to be open when nothing else is open it's a good point get a nice italian sub with double meat i like the uh oil and vinegar salt meatball with the mozzarella or whatever and then you don't toast it you let the hot meatballs melt the cheese oh i agree with that yeah that's a good move a meatball sub is always a good moment it's always a good market

90:18especially after faking a hate crime after you have faked a hate crime a meatball how nervous you after you do that i'm such a i could never go i could never do what he did some level of social but then i saw that actor at dinner with the other night and i went oh he could do that yeah oh these people can do it yeah because they're on another level well the other thing is that people say who would want to be a victim who'd want to fake being a victim i heard that during the kavanaugh hearing i was like that is a ridiculous thing to say because there's a lot of currency in our business victims in our business it is a lot of public today in the world like people like praise victims for coming out and they support them you get a tremendous amount of love especially if you're a legit victim of something of course you know i mean there's a lot to that yeah

91:07the idea that no one would do that is so it's so against it's so contrary to human nature no everyone would do it i want to do it what would you do what kind of hate crime would you fake it's a great idea i don't know if i got punched and people saw my face they'd go good they deserved it you know what i mean like nope they would look at my face and go yeah okay good well i wrote i tweeted something today i was like hey i'm at flappers on uh what was it uh uh the 26th of flappers i was there was two guys once hollywood with maga hats they beat me up they poured something on me i don't know what it was i think it was come please come too but i mean that's the thing listen i watched good morning america interview this morning and i laughed i sent it to my buddy i go there's a moment in it when they go how did you know it was the attackers and he goes like this he goes

91:56you can see the insanity you can see in his eyes oh it goes like this he goes i was there and he's just doing that shitty actory oh like just shitty acting class shits that horseshit i was there and i'm like this is crazy he was gonna inform on two guys if there were two white guys with maga hats who got caught oh my god they'd be in jail right now because the detective said to him we have two suspects on camera do you think it's down he's like yeah then he found out it's his two buddies and he's like well i can't testify against them he was going to testify against two people who they thought were guilty so he said that he thought it was them yeah he's yeah there's a good morning america interview of him going yeah it's those two that takes it to another level yeah then fox is like well we stan we hey he's good on the show we stand behind him that takes it to a completely different

92:48there would be people in jail right now he wouldn't care could you imagine it's crazy could you imagine not just faking a hate crime but then putting people in jail imagine being those two guys yeah we're just sitting in jail like what the you're on the cover in the new york post nabdom got him got him and they're sitting there like what the and everybody wants to kick their ass and the empire next season is all about jesse smalling they fire everyone else on the show and it's just a jesse smaller story and two innocent people the gay tupac wandering through the streets of empire that's why people in ohio whenever hollywood's like here's how to vote they go you know what no exactly they go you know what no thank you i see what you're doing you faking hate crimes what kind of hate crime would you fake if you were going to do it it's a great question to get ahead

93:32it's a great question like what if what if someone gave you a license to fake a hate crime like what if there was a television show about faking a hate crime that's how they do like punk you know fake things like that how about you fake i hate crime i'd love to do something like that true tv presents yes fake a hate crime yeah yeah it's interesting i don't i'm trying to think press conference whole deal maybe a halal guy would attack me in new york city like a halal guy would attack me um because he views me as a symbol of imperialism and oppression that would be good you know even though i could patronize his stand all the time he still feels the need to attack i mean i don't know i could never do that no i'm one of those people who would get and and i would get caught well i would never think i'd get away with it wanting everyone to think you're a victim when nothing really happened is

94:18this insanely selfish thing yeah that's an insane like faking physical crime like he had to have someone punch him already hit himself yeah he's got a mark on his feet wearing gangs that everyone's talking about in chicago and l.a and new york do not exist if you have a maga hat on at 2am in new york you're getting bleach poured on you yeah props to reality well also like just he was saying that he like punched him back and like he fought back and i love how he was like first of all he was on camera for everything except one minute so they asked him good morning america they go how long was this he's like it felt like several minutes but it could have been 30 seconds like he's covering this span of time in his in his lie he's going i gotta say it's less than a minute because i'm only off camera for a minute well whenever you hear about a guy like kills his wife and blames a black guy

95:07yeah you know there's been a bunch of those right there's been a time and then you see the enemy jay simpson for example did he blame someone who do you blame no somebody probably blamed him you think no i'm kidding remember there was a reason when people were saying that his son did it yeah yeah my mother always believed that but again that's a weird confused conspiracy theory though right that's what i don't really get into yeah i don't want yeah that's those are the ones that are out there i don't really get into that i don't get near the moon i don't go near uh i'm not an oj truther are you uh a gulf of tonkin guy or operation northwoods those are all true there's nothing there's nothing those are all true operation northwards is my favorite it's crazy yeah they they talked about bombing a ship yeah with people on it they were gonna blow up a drone jetliner and blame it on the cubans

95:52yeah they were gonna they were gonna attack guantanamo bay arm cuban friendlies and have them attack guantanamo crazy yeah yeah that was not that was not that long ago i know that's why we need you back i can't do it you know what conspiracies are too it's too exhausting i got exhausted because i would do a show and then somebody would come up to me after this show and they'd be like they'd show me a pizza menu i swear to god they go you see that and i go nah what is it they go that's the nambla symbol and i'm like it says i'm like it says garlic knots and they're like no they're like you gotta really look at it and i'm like all right i can't go the rest of my life with that well they look for it in everything everything's a conspiracy and then when it comes back to you and they say oh tim is involved in this right and then you go oh i see how this works people just make up

96:43yeah and then they believe it the cia is now getting involved in podcasting yes with you guys you're their first show but they're going to get a few others on they're deeply involved instead they started sort of like the russian trolls that's deeply involved i love the idea of the cia going and watching sets and be like who's getting passed at the store oh you don't know i have a friend of mine who thinks that the cia started jim morrison and jimi hendrix there's a book about that called weird scenes inside the canyon written by a guy named dave mcgowan yes and i'm going to tell you right now joe it's kind of interesting i'm going to tell you it's kind of interesting there was a lot of cold going on in laurel canyon i'm sure probably about there was a lot of weird going on the cia the rand corp was all over there there was a lot of happening well i'm sure there was a lot of happening but

97:32there is not a intelligence agency in the world that can create a jimi hendrix no of course and they're not sitting there that book was like that they were managing the birds yeah the cia was like they were like no it's mr timber it was like a cia guy gonna be like it's tambourine imagine being in that time in the country when everything was just falling apart left and right around us vietnam war kent state just nixon's the president and it's just chaos left and right there's no internet yeah everyone's doing drugs it must have been wild it must have been amazing yeah i mean i always think about that hunter s thompson quote about uh you know like we talked about the 60s and that in the 70s it was almost like the wave crested and then just crashed from fear and loathing in last year yeah yeah but i'm a big like i'm a kennedy guy i think there's something really shady with that

98:29yeah for sure for sure for sure and in that book there's some amazing stuff about this book that you gave me is family family of secrets there's a guy russ baker who's a legit journalist and it's it's been praised by like dan rather and bill drag man i'm trying to get you in this let me tell you right now this will get you in they'll get you in i don't have that kind of time george h did you know that george h.w bush called the fbi and said that he thought he knew who the killer of jfk was did you know that no you didn't know he called the fbi in houston hey i said what's up it's george george bush i'm in tyler texas and i think i know who the killer is and he informs on this guy james parrot and james parrot ended up being like one of his staffers it was this weird cover story he kind of planted and that came out in a memo and there was another memo these are declassified

99:12fbi memos freedom of information act there was another memo that said after the assassination chad hoover briefed george bush of the cia the problem was george bush should not have been working for the cia at that point he should have been just a private citizen so it suggested he was working for the agency for a very long time and he was made the uh the director of the agency for one year after the family jules came out which was this whole thing where the cia went to congress and they admitted that they had done all these things from you know coups and fomenting revolutions in countries and they made him the director for one year after that happened to break to make a clean break from all of the nefarious activities that the agency had been involved with but if you take that memo to mean that he had had an existing relationship with them he was actually just becoming the cause

100:01no it made no sense to anyone they were like why is this guy that everyone called a lightweight becoming the head of the cia the cia just admitted to all these horrible things they called him a lightweight yeah they called yeah he was like i think kissinger had said to nixon to kiss her and set the knicks and like he's lightweight he made an ambassador to china he was never a guy that had serious political capital and he's made the head of the cia and then after that memo was unearthed people were saying oh he had this was an extension of the cover-up he was being made the director at this very interesting time in history because he actually had worked with the agency forever and he was not at all a lightweight he was a serious operator and he was going in there to kind of clean up and transition them into a new era it's i'm telling you i'm already out you're already done yeah

100:46how are you out i can't listen to that it's good it's great though i need current i need to need something like julian assange i need something right i need some edwards i know the bushes are done all right you know i'll do the bush anymore i'm getting a spongebob enough i'll get an assange book you can't get in there if you read a chapter of this yeah if you read a chapter yes i'd give me a cookie i i don't have a cookie and if i do i'm taking it you will be you'll be it's very interesting and it's a well-written book because it's not reckless and sloppy i'll read the first chapter i promise thank you i will yeah you know i listen a buddy of mine gave me uh david uh lifton's best evidence okay on the uh kennedy assassination okay and that got me into conspiracy theories it's like 92 and i get it you're you're at the end of the road now where you're like this is

101:40because a lot of people are full of in that world a lot a lot of them and that's what people don't realize well then it gets deeper and deeper and deeper and more and more preposterous have you ever googled spaces fake no but that sounds it sounds amazing there is a thriving space is fake community have you ever been in space no good point could be fake come back come back to us jeff prove it no what is space come back to us well that's the extension of flat earth it's like for people to think that flat earth is cute but not too conservative they go they go deeper it's like it's not stupid enough yeah they think for those flat earth they want to move into space they want to go to spaces bank yeah you want to know what's really up space is fake space is fake yeah crazy well i mean i think there are hundreds of thousands of people that think that the earth is flat

102:35hundreds of thousands educated western uh american human beings that think the earth is flat that is wild it is crazy it's interesting it's a lot of people that just get educated from youtube the guardian actually had an article about it i sent it to eddie and you know eddie laughed at me see i think eddie is kind of rational in a lot of ways because i've had conspiracy talks with him about what about well yeah no the one that we had was insane a little oh he's got something government was attacking malibu well he's the one that him and sam were talking about they were using direct energy weapons and i was like i don't know if this is attacking malibu i was like why would they attack mali well there were the fires yeah but i'm like they're right why would they attack male boats to rich people the fire started near my house they didn't start him out but they flew through the air

103:21you know i was one of the first evacuated right these theories are so stupid it's dry as yeah a fire hits and the winds are going crazy oh did they make the wind they made the water they've always made the wind the wind has always been the cia they've always made the wind yeah it's it's just and there's no rest there's no peace i know there's no living in the moment it's like i think you get twisted certain point i just don't even want to know because there's horrible things going on there's horrible things going on okay what do you think is like the worst going on right now human trafficking is very yes horrible horrible multi-billion dollar industry that's not subway sandwiched artists are paying for that right rich people some of them are involved in some very bad things yes and they're it's their track should be they're covering their own tracks

104:08yeah like that jeffrey epstein yeah all of that stuff dude clinton visited him he's got an eyes on somebody anyone with an island and hanging out with bill clinton yeah if you have an island and you're hanging out with bill clinton hey there's a problem where's the montage yeah i mean it's a crazy all of that stuff is very disturbing he got a sweetheart deal because he wouldn't inform on anyone that was on his plane and now the justice department's looking at that again it'll probably be fine they'll probably just let him you know with a guy like that like what you know i mean how much does he know how does it he knows every day alive because that's good he's not going to say anything he's not going to talk i wouldn't trust him if he if i was if i was on that plane i think that's the other thing about see the aversion to conspiracies is you go like nobody would people would talk the

105:02reality is people wouldn't talk if you were from a prominent family if it had been like a religion to stay silent if you had had cia training if you would these people don't talk and we know that there have been plots that have gone unknown for a very long time including iran sure so a guy like jeffrey epstein is so involved so deep he knows he'll get killed he won't say anything yeah he's not going to say anything plus he doesn't want to go to jail he doesn't want to go to jail he doesn't want to say anything he made all the things that he did yeah so we though the child thing is the creepiest of all it's gross and unfortunately it's a it's a real thing yeah so what you know people you could talk about there's the conspiratorial angles the but then there's the real thing there's sandusky sandusky catholic church 100 that's how the prophet church the people are in love with conspiracies

105:52never care about private prisons right or the catholic church and i'm like guys this is not even debatable right we're not even debating right private prisons are ruined kids are being sold into slavery right that judge in pennsylvania crazy taking underage kids and just giving them sentences ridiculous sentences for that's crazy in exchange for money that's not right now he's in jail yeah it's uh there's some darkness in the world it's undeniable and when something like sandusky when that penn state thing comes out and you're like wait a minute how long was this going on for and how many people knew everyone knew how does everyone know yeah it's crazy paterno just he died quick but this is what i'm of course i mean he must have been just destroyed but this is what i mean about people whereas like youtube's gonna like censor conspiracy theory type stuff i'm

106:40like all of those things would have been called conspiracy theories at one point yes catholic church right sandusky yeah abu ghraib they said it was a few bad apples it was a labyrinth of torture prisons it was a program designed by the pentagon cia it's crazy what is the youtube going to do they're going to censor are they going to stop recording i think they're going to stop recommending conspiracy videos from what i've heard but i was reading that thing that you were telling me about jamie this whole like porn or child porn or pedophile network you're saying what is this a pedophile youtube what's going on communication network they were communicating with each other in youtube comments they responded yesterday and they said that they uh disabled comments on tens of millions of videos and deleted a lot of accounts that were they were communicating in the comments section

107:31of like little kids cheerleading and whatnot now were they communicating to try to to share child porn or were they communicating to molesters i don't know in the way pedophiles communicate in their network but i'd like you to do a little bit more pull up do some due diligence on the pedophile i want you to go under the dark burner computer download download tour and let's get moving we got to figure out yeah you got to get a vpn are there the fbi will take over child points out on tour and then run it for a year like on the dark way what what is that what what's going on imagine what they see too that's a that's a problem it is a problem that's not good you're causing that in that r kelly case there's a video of him doing something with an underage girl and like i think some people at cnn said we've seen it but and that's led to him going and it's like well

108:26what did you watch and is that legal probably is legal because you're watching one of the guys of driving out of the train rough yeah that kind of is real and the fact that there's these networks of people oh yeah that are trying to you know cultivate these experiences it's crazy man but if you're a rich person you have that sick predilection you're gonna find a way to breathe what they're doing like a for example okay they posted remarks that praised the girls asked whether they were wearing underwear or simply carried a string of sexually suggestive emojis about two years ago hundreds of companies pulled money from youtube over concerns about ads showing up next to problematic content from terror or hate groups and videos that seem to endanger exploit children i think you know we've talked about this before with youtube with the issues that we've had with them they

109:19they have way too much content and way too few people there's no way they can watch all of it and when like this where people are doing things in the comments it's almost impossible to check yeah i mean it's just the youtube comments are one of the rare free range sort of like unchecked message boards in the world i'm sure i'll find out later don't read it don't read it bro who's this fat he's not even a black belt why is he here who is that don't read it yeah yeah yeah um i wonder if there's ever going to be a time where that is impossible where like these child pedophile rings yeah that they can figure out a way to snuff all that out i'm i'm harder now than ever before i imagine it's very tough and it's tough i think because so few people want to adm believe that it's a problem in the way that it is right because there's good people in the world that don't think these things are issues

110:18right so i think there's the political will isn't there because people don't aren't really they don't understand that it's it you know and then the people that are doing these things are very wealthy powerful people and they have a lot of control and they can kind of cover their tracks if they're all wealthy not all poor pedophile you're not going to a ring what are you doing you're snatching some kid i know it's bad but if you're a rich pedophile it's a nicer experience it's like you go on vacation versus me going on vacation you go on vacation it's a nice experience i go on vacation you know it's fine sandals in the bahamas not even no sandals where you going a cabin or something in the forest what's crazy about all this when you're talking about like cha molesters and stuff like that which crazy is the catholic church is still around and still they're catching people left

111:10and right when it's known for it there's no more no nothing's more synonymous with child molesting than the county council that is the number one thing and you you were raised catholic i was raised catholic i was never molested i was raised catholic um you got lucky huh i was like but mine was fake i'm lapse cat we're all fit this catholic is fake it's it's stuffed shells it's a nice dinner it's five fishes once a year it's no one cares no one in the catholic church cares right if you turn around to the guy next you can go is this they'll go shut up i need to have a bit about it yeah i don't understand suicide bombers because i was raised catholic right and no one is in the catholic church believes in it that much no we like nice buildings catholic suicide bombers would be like you go first yeah you go i'll be over here go ahead ready we'll do it together ready set go

111:59why are you still here yeah our it's nice architecture it's beautiful it's great it's nice ceremonies are fun i don't know what's going on in them there's incense going around this is the mystery of faith oh good i was talking with burr about this recently about church has some good qualities and one of the things it has is it makes you feel like you know it's like a community thing you sit down and you get a chance to assess yourself and your life and sort of reaffirm your moral guidance and your moral compass and there's some there's some there's some positive things to a good church and that's how those rock and roll culti super hollywood churches get started because people say i want a church i just don't want a traditional church i want something spiritual and fun and fulfilling it's not like the church when i grew up i said to my dad why did we go here every sunday and he went

112:46shut up that was the answer because it was like we just go you go you guys you don't what we do don't want your mom to get mad but people in hollywood and people that they you know want the hip or they want to be drawn to it they wanted to speak to them yeah they play rock and roll music yeah it's cool yeah religion's cool my soul is you know yeah and it's you know it's just a lot of horse it's fine it makes him feel good yeah my buddy's uh assistant i had a buddy of mine who's his assistant was going to one of those churches she was a nymphomaniac yeah and she was trying to stop everybody so she started going she's trying to go to this church what church is that to stop your own church it's like she'll just start get spiritual she's like i'm gonna be celibate i'm like yeah whatever yeah she was one of those gals she'd just have a couple of pops and then off to the races

113:31listen you live once yeah you live once she was obvious she was attractive she was having a good time yeah i don't see the problem what church did she go to it's one of them i don't know this is decades ago but it was one of them crazy rock and roll type churches oh that's so funny you know the catholic i'm i i think it's interesting people that join the catholic religion now oh that's ridiculous who's joining it now yeah who's going in and going you know what i enjoy it i don't know who did it you know glenn beck joined the mormons as a grown man well that makes sense 40s that makes sense yeah he's a little off maybe he wanted nine wives yeah it's probably why it's of course it's so it's a huge benefit do you know the the whole mitt romney story no you don't know i don't know i'm so happy to tell you my cousin married a mormon who they excommunicated from the church when he was like 17.

114:16mitt romney's family all moved to mexico that's why mitt romney's dad could never be president because mitt romney's dad was born in mexico because when they passed the law making polygamy illegal in the united states they all packed up their and went to mexico really yes because in the 1800s it didn't matter if you were in mexico or the united states it was all the same you're riding a horse everywhere yeah this gives a they're like i could have nine wives over here so they have these compounds vice did a whole series wow they have compounds down there with armed guards yeah because the cartel was kidnapping them and interesting so mitt romney's dad was like you can't take knives yes look at this they still have a they still have a compound down there in the smithsonian magazine the smithsonian.com oh has a story on it yeah the romney's mexican history

115:05yeah the whole family comes from mexico it's amazing amazing that's amazing it's amazing how diverse i know they went down there because they couldn't do what they wanted to do in the united states there was no polygamy in the us anymore anyway no it's illegal interesting which is hilarious yeah let it happen because here's the thing you could have like nine girlfriends sure and all live together and no one could say but as soon as you write it down yeah then it'll pop you up and put you in jail there was a show called like sister wives or something it was about people that i think they were living in the states and they had like multiple wives was it yeah it's probably okay yeah i don't think polygamy google it maybe it's like legal in like nebraska or some sorry nebraska i like that nebraska would be just a place to go you know what let live and let live yeah live and let

115:51live nebraska's like we're having a hard time keeping people here so you can just anything anyone you want marry your dog marry everything it's polygamy nationwide federally illegal yes it is illegal but i know what you're talking about where there is tv shows where people are still doing it so um also have you successfully infiltrated a pedophile youtube group yet crazy waiting for the tweet so lazy but it is crazy that his family was like well it we'll just move to mexico until you made a great point it's the same thing you're on a horse back then yes to rio grande yeah because i think when they made it illegal in the 1800s look at this as a polygamous community crumbles sister wives are forced from homes this is the caliber of life this is interesting that's all you get bro if you want nine of them you don't get nine good ones you either get one ten or nine ones this is a lot of you

116:39know this is you don't think of nine shitty wives no you don't think of nine horrible wives but the thing is you could have those wives you just can't have them legally like you they can't be legally your wife but you could do like a whole like roots and jump over the broom you know you could you could whatever yeah you could make your own ceremony of course you just can't register in the courthouse yeah which is hilarious to me yeah like who the are you to tell someone they can't how about a woman that has five husbands can we do that yeah you go girl yeah power power for girl i'm ford i'm for polygamy me too i want to come out on this show five and one woman yeah who cares they'll sit around stroking their half hard dicks waiting their turn crying perfect that is a perfect representation of 2019 america who would vote that out who would say no to sick people someone

117:26who's a communist we need more people getting the youtube pedophile cults out yes and putting the polygamists in yeah we need priorities i feel like if you want to marry a guy with 18 year friends who gives a yeah i guess the problem is the divorce yeah isn't that the issue no money for you sorry right you're splitting it up 18 ways you're not going to get a lot right anyone with 18 of anything unless you're like a sultan you probably don't have a ton anyway unless you're jeff bezos yeah bezos well that was a yeah he could he could marry a hundred chicks and give him all a billion that's how you still have 50 left over what yeah he's doing good he's doing good but that whole thing with him that was an interesting thing the uh the pictures being leaked and it turns out it's the brother that leaked the pictures i love the brother immediately as soon as i read the article because i'm like

118:15this is trump's quarter not only is a trump supporter this is a guy who tried to leverage himself forever yeah and he found out his sister was jeff bezos can you imagine the night he found that out the night he found that out where was he what was he doing he was is somewhere thinking this is it yeah she's a lot of people that are good now she's bezos now it's time to cash in now it's time to think of something good how do we do it this is a plotting guy yeah i wonder what the inquirer gave him how much money you get for something like that half a mil bezos dick one more i want a solid mill solid mill you think they have risk on your life he's gonna kill you you think he will if he doesn't i'll be disappointed that's a good point make it look like an accident if you're you know what he's he's like daddy warbucks yeah he's the guy he's the guy he's got a hundred he's automated

119:08everything he's automated everything and amazon is like yeah he's an alien he looks like he's artificial intelligence he's ai yeah he has that look already he's super smart and he's gonna play it real slow yeah he'll enslave the world and you know what let him he's probably gonna hire somebody to up that guy's life slowly i'm sure he already has yeah real slow oh yeah this is your new job yeah your new job is to slowly make that guy's life everything everything flat tires every day yeah yeah i love the henchman that's going out nailing flat tires yeah i set up he's gonna check for cameras that's amazing yeah the bezos is those are the new type like cause i studied a lot about like rockefeller carnegie guys like that yes and those guys nobody's amassed the fortunes those guys had rockefeller had like 336 billion in today's dollars good lord yeah carnegie had 372 billion i mean these

120:02these were the first how much do they have in their time uh billions in their time i don't know but in in it was millions well i don't think it was billions but in our time it's about it's the over 300 million both of them these were the first generation of b b this was the first generation of robert like the first generation of entrepreneurs you know the country was new all these industries were just emerging and these guys took it over bezos tech is and somebody said this on my podcast recently tech is the closest thing we have now to that yeah where you have these you know masters of the universe that are going to be i mean those guys were jp morgan was like bailing the government out yeah these guys had an insane amount of power um they were more powerful yeah i was just when i told you i was doing this chariots of the gods lunch today with a bunch of very

120:50influential people yeah and one of them said it's really ironic that apple used to be think different right yeah that was the whole thing about silicon valley think different now it's don't think different right now it's streamline everybody into one acceptable thing yeah now it is literally you have to think the way everyone else is thinking you have to believe what everyone else believes even if it's ridiculous i think a lot of that is they want to just make money and sell things and they don't want any discord they just want to sell make money sort of but it's something like this is i don't think because they don't ban people after they do the things they ban them after there's a public outcry so to me they're not they don't have any real values their values are tangible and the values are influenced by public opinion and and where media is the values aren't like when

121:39somebody says something let's ban them right now this goes against our thing a lot of it is if you wait until there's enough dust kicked up then they will ban somebody right that's true so to me i get arguments with friends when they're like they're ideological i'm like they have an ideological bent certainly but they're profit-seeking enterprises that just want everyone to be happy i think it was up to twitter every tweet would be some type of branded ad and on top of that now the ideology is skewing and leaning in that direction in terms of like tech and sure so there's money in that there's money in holding that line and those guys are the ones that are as powerful as rockefeller and carnegie and jp like all of those guys they are the next you know generation of people who will their amount of power is is unmatched anywhere in society they're they're getting

122:28they're branching out more and more like amazon is now going to have an electric car they're investing in that new what's it called riven rivian some new electric car company that's that uh bezos is investing in they're investing in space travel they're investing in all these different i mean he's not going to get poorer he's going to get more and more rich no he's going to take over everything i mean these we have you can't opt out you can't opt out of these systems you have to be involved to live a normal life you have to be online did you see how technically someone wrote about that no someone tried to use uh just to go online and live their life without google amazon good luck a few other things an apple and they said they couldn't do it now ari shafir is the only one who can do it with a flip phone he's barely doing it he's on the ipad using his phone messages he eye messages me oh

123:21all the time yeah pretend he's but i think i give him that i'm impressed that he still has a flip-flop well he he knows that he's an addict yeah you know he knows and he's he's an honest man right you know and he's like this this is just too much of my life he's right he'd be checking social media constantly and and also if you're you know you're controversial like he is a lot of people are talking to him and that would hurt his feelings and saying mean things to him social media has gotten to the point where i'm on it all day and i'm like i'm not having any fun no it's really gotten to the point where what is this experience facebook is a nightmare it's elderly people screaming at each other this was a website where kids were trying to get laid in college this is elderly people screaming and complaining they can't afford knee operations and i'm just going like this all day yeah it's

124:08it's not you don't get a lot of bang for your buck i've dropped off radically over the last six months the last six months i've made a giant giant shift away from uh reading things and posting things and just i like look at it like for a couple seconds then i'll put it down um yeah yeah yeah i'm more engaged i'm too busy you know and so when i'm trying to figure out ways to better optimize my time that was one of the first ones stop reading comments stop reading posts don't just just mindlessly shift through instagram pictures looking for something that strikes me as interesting i just stopped doing that and then it made a big difference in my productivity yeah huge difference yeah because you know when when iphone real recently they started putting that thing on your phone where you see how much screen time you had oh yeah that's crazy you look at it you're like what five hours

124:56nine hours 46 minutes that's five hours of nothing yeah what did i do i get a little out of it right like i'll find news stories that i can talk about but it's like finding i found that like finding the perfect blend seems to be letting the stories get so big that they get to you anyway right no not not the fringe stories the like the jessie small age it gets so big you can't ignore about it yeah and then you hear and i love the day that the day when we all found out he was social media was great the day that we all found out he was full of yeah because then everyone could make jokes right but the three days before that everyone is posturing oh sorry they're thought when it came out that it was all everyone's like oh let's just have fun yeah and even though it's you know i'm not saying that people aren't getting attacked and things aren't bad but this particular thing

125:46right if you can't make a joke about this what can you make a joke about if you can't make a joke about if you right someone shouldn't joke about this you you you absolutely absolutely yeah yeah this is one of those things that's so i mean it's ridiculous it's insane holding the subway with the noose he just he pled not guilty in court no he did yes he did no jaime he plead not guilty on everything right he denied all charges right now denied all charges he's going to take his own life i believe they have the check he wrote to them he wrote a check 35 hunch oh he wrote a check 3 500. he didn't even give him cash he wrote a check now here's the other thing i could get punched in five minutes for free i could get beat up so easily why is this guy spending 3 500 well not only that why do you write a check do you have no friends he just he didn't think this through even a little bit

126:40yeah god damn it it's disappointing it's kind of funny though it's there's nothing funnier right now well i think this is what we need you know we need to understand the outrage machine a little bit better yeah and one of the best ways to see it is see manufactured outrage absolutely and then you go oh okay this is a hustler well the covington thing was great because people like wishing death on 15 year old kids and it's like the video comes out exonerates them and then people are like no yeah people are doubling down yeah people like you can't deny what my eyes saw i'm like are you nuts and then i was afraid because i'm like tweeting things to support the kids but i'm like what if the next video is just the kids in clan outfits like this and just dancing around with with torches like charlottesville and i'm like well then now i look like an idiot yeah you can't you don't know what to do

127:24you're better off being an observer yeah just literally people get into the fray you just you make a little joke sit back yeah it's like a gang fight you're better off standing standing back and going hmm i don't want to jump in there because every every day every hour another vantage point of that thing was like well no maybe they are guilty yeah you know i saw that thing it was like a white kid i thought they encircled the native american guy who was banging the drama i'm like these kids exactly that was that's not good well you see the first image and you know the first image which is even crazier was put up by a troll account right russians i don't know who the it was that's what they know are all the problems russia i think they came out of brazil digging into that because i saw something yeah yesterday but a few shady social media posts fed a viral firestorm

128:08over covenant catholic and why it will happen again yeah these cut the they're doing this on purpose they they took that screenshot to try to get people angry and it worked and then they twitter found out that it was a account they banned the account so it's very possible that account was some troll farm oh no it's a troll farm wow yeah so that's the thing we're being manipulated now on a level that is like unbelievable unbelievable unbelievable and people are furious dude i hate to cut this shirt but i gotta get the out of here let's do it uh tell everybody how to get a hold of you tim j dillon on instagram and twitter di lloyd uh timothy.tim dilloncomedy.com we're doing a gig right we're doing a gig tomorrow that's right tomorrow i'm going to be the improv 10 15. if somebody attacks me on the way we'll see he's going to show up with a noose and a subway i hope i get in

128:56blackface thank you thanks so much appreciate it tim dylan ladies and gentlemen