Dave Foley & Paul Greenberg

00:04four three two one and we're live so what am i not supposed to say huh oh yeah oh yeah yeah that's all right that's basically that's the the title of the show that we've we've we've uh uh omitted from the print yes listings is uh yeah the show is actually called don't say uh with paul because this is the one place where you're not gonna hear the word yeah it's a kind of a promise for 45 minutes there'll be 45 minutes uh because as we understand it americans don't like the word some americans yeah it's getting number that's what yeah yeah well used to be until that day there was a there's a bunch of women that were trying to take it back who was was that the the guys we girls i think it was they were trying to take it back they were trying to like you know take back yeah back the word well i think oh i'm very dead inside my head what's the matter dave here david's

00:58having a stroke dave's having to die oh it might might have disconnected yeah this is fun for you jamie i'll hook it up you're okay am i plugged in there's a little bit of an issue i feel like i feel like there's a pressure differential oh that's a weird feeling you only have one ear on too oh yeah both of them i got them on yeah i took it off because they couldn't hear anything check check check check one two three four five six that's a little a little no that's paul apparently i think check check check and that's our show this one oh there there we go there we go that's good so i always hear dave so what why did you guys choose that as your podcast title we're canadians uh and uh is not not nearly as bad in canada really this is a swear word yeah yeah it yeah it i don't know what they need to put out some sort of a periodic table of the atomic weight of swear words you know

02:04uh would be quite quite heavy but heavier on the american yeah but here uh in america actually just would drop through the crust of the earth yeah it's too heavy and just tunnel right down to the core you'll go through the other side yeah so yeah i guess we just found that patently ridiculous well we just we like um you know we we grow up i grew up hearing the word a lot from my my dad what is your dad like well he's not like much anymore he's dead thanks so much he died in 79 sorry dude died in 79. it's okay um but uh no as i always say when he was mad there are no better parents than dead parents yeah they can't you up anymore that's right but my dad was a real really fond of that word and was the english is nobody canadian full canadian but being canadian is kind of like being english you guys have english people in your money still yeah yes and we get all

03:07the english movies all the english tv shows we we uh pledge allegiance to the queen in school you know when it comes still it's still going on possibly yeah and in our sleep so many good things about canada yet so many preposterous things that's true it's the fact well the fact that a monarchy still exists at all is preposterous great on paper yeah well the monarchy even itself has become kardashianified well yeah right like but didn't they weren't they always i guess they were i mean like days and yeah yeah or even just back to henry viii i mean what what maintained the the monarchy other than the fact that people wanted celebrities and that was the only celebrities they had right and and the priests and i think henry the eighth also had ass implants if i'm incorrect because he did that yeah yeah wow yeah good for him progressive yep it's ahead of his time

04:01yeah that that is an interesting thing it's like the prince charles lady die saga was essentially one of our first reality things to enjoy yeah yes that was madness yeah when it happened it was so huge and then someone said well what if we just make housewives in orange county royalty um and uh and you don't have to pay them as much as the king and queen then you can cancel them yeah those shows are wonderful i've never seen an episode of any of them they're fascinating the beverly hills one is there's well there's different versions of them right and different versions you get to see the geographical creepiness of like atlanta is its own thing yeah atlanta is not a bad one the worst one was jersey they're they're savage people yeah that's that's my ancestors those savage monkey folk that yeah isn't the worst anything the jersey version the worst of anything the worst the

04:55worst penicillin is the jersey penicillin you know csi jersey was terrible by the way no that doesn't exist yeah um the beverly hills one so all of them were fascinating it was to take people force them in these situations where they're going to have these artificial disputes well it was crazy to me is watching people succumb to the pressure of all that attention when they've never experienced it before and then you're going to just thrust them into this massively popular you know yeah for lack of a better word fest yeah yeah right see well if you take you test fame yeah and you divorce it of any supporting sort of supporting unders you know talent structure yeah that's talent that supports offering something to offer yeah nothing to offer no offering there's no painting no sculpting no singing they only take yeah they don't give cause fame will destroy if you're a

05:49brilliant artist fame will destroy you yes yes if there's nothing underneath the fame it's there's nothing to hold it up well i remember watching kelsey grammer's wife right i had met her before she seemed like a very nice lady camille yeah camille and then she uh i forgot her name thank you i didn't want to just i wanted to give context owner he is a huge camille fan i'm a giant i have a tattoo i was going to say do you have a tattoo but she decided to play the heel and uh the pr it was so obvious that the pressure was just overwhelming the hatred that was coming her way you know she had decided she was going to be the boss on the show and just let everybody know you know this is how it is and i'm i'm here to run things and yeah just the swamp of evil that came her way and then she's like ah quit done this show she she bailed out of it good for her yeah well you know

06:44did she even choose that role or was it like a producer it said here's your angle well according to kelsey he told her like hey okay this is what you've always wanted here like because that's like what led to their divorce or what was happening during them getting divorced you know he essentially said you know this is what you've always wanted like you know i don't think you understand this so good luck with it and then you know she she just kind of vanished afterwards she's like all this which is wise on her part she she recognized what it is but they're like those those people that are on it like i know some people who know some folks that are on that show yeah and it's they just go crazy they start popping pills and losing their mind they're in therapy every day and it's just madness yeah the desire for fame with nothing more to it than other than a desire to be famous yeah can only

07:36drive you insane yeah i think fame as a as an emergent property of doing something right is bearable it's true but it's by production but it's so strange and so difficult to truly manage yeah but you can at least say i don't define myself by the fame i define myself by the work that created the fame yes yes whereas if there's no work underneath it it's you know you only exist in so much as people are aware of you you exist in those moments when you walk into a room and everyone's staring at you yeah right that's what you look for and that's it i have that anyway because of my body so i guess i know it's real famous yeah and your and the horrible allergy you have to pants that's true i can't wear pants and yeah every time i walk in a room well i always say like that that the fame is a property of of the beholder not the beheld and that that fame only exists so long

08:30as somebody in the room knows who you are right and the minute you're in a room where no one knows you your fame evaporates that is one of the weirdest interrogations i've ever gotten is when people go who why do these people know you yeah what do you do who are you who are you i know you should i take a photo with you where's somebody but i don't know who the weird thing is they're almost offended that other people know you and they don't yeah like why are you're playing a game with me why are you why why don't i know you they're angry yeah well there also there's the other thing about fame is that people feel like they could just start talking to you yes yeah yes yeah just they can sit next oh yeah you could be in the middle of an intense conversation with the your favorite person on the planet they don't give a no why they know you they've been in their house i had a living room

09:16i had a guy come to me in the street and just go hey dave how you doing and i thought oh i must know him so i said oh i'm good how are you doing man and his next line was uh you don't even know me a phony dave that was me that was you i wish i was better at faces was this in canada this was in downtown l.a really that's amazing you don't even know me a phony i'm just trying to be nice sir yes was he a drunk no it was just a guy he was a guy who just uh i'm gonna pretend i know him just watch this wow was that the end of the conversation yeah that was basically it wow yeah what a rude person that's a terrible conversation but it's like probably a guy who auditioned for news radio in 96 and just never gotten over it yeah that yeah he's the one i was on my way to stardom yeah and to be fair it was me yeah i tripped him up yeah yeah um are you still doing that show with uh dr ken

10:10no uh we stopped when they canceled it oh uh that's always a good move yeah not right away it's several months in uh to be fair you kept doing the show after it was kept yeah we didn't we called the doctor this is what it's called no it's the doc no no that was the other that's the real one right yeah i can't remember what was the name of it i mean we could still call dr oz a real doctor right i don't think he's is drew once you've been pushed in front of congress yeah and they question you on your weight loss claims yeah yeah yeah yeah i had some charges that your show that had a crazy title or something wasn't it doctor can that was it dr ken yeah he just did a netflix special he did he's back doing stand up yeah he's one of the sweetest guys on the planet earth he is a nice man very very nice guy and he's uh yeah got a lovely family yeah yeah super good guy um are you uh

10:59still doing the acting thing are you enjoying it uh off and on uh you know enjoying is yeah difficult concept well you always that's that was the take i had on it with you back in 94. it's a it's a better job than most yes you know yes you know so i like that not like you know it's you know it's like when you're doing something you like there's a certain satisfaction but even then even like when we were doing this radio you don't get to enjoy it because you're you're so focused on whatever the flaws are while you're making it right right right yeah you get to enjoy it during the wrap party yeah yeah or 20 years later right yeah yeah i i um occasionally someone will send me a clip online and it's just it's so strange to watch it's so strange when you're watching yourself from 20 plus years ago say something you don't remember saying yeah and you watch like

11:52wow i don't remember that episode at all yeah i don't remember most i don't i never watched i think i only watched about six episodes of news radio yeah and i loved the show but but you knew i didn't want to watch it yeah you were there you were there when it happened yeah yeah yeah if i watched all i'd be doing is nitpicking the editing right right right yeah it's so it's a strange thing to look back when you go back you know 20 plus years and and think of all the all the scenes all the writing all the work and now it's just sort of now well that's the other thing that we never anticipated that it would be floating around the internet yeah you know yeah youtube clips nothing goes away news radio is floating way out in the periphery of the internet yeah but usually it's just like drawn in sometimes but shows like like uh like friends like the fact you know you have young kids

12:42like my daughter's uh 15. she's watched every episode of friends at least twice wow that's 10 that's 10 years of shows and it's not just here it's every 15 year old kid too in the country yeah has one and it's like that that you know is coming back and it's significant to these kids now well what's fascinating is i don't think those shows are being made anymore no not the not like no i mean there's the chuck lorry type shows that i watch and i go i'm missing a gm why is everyone laughing so hard have you ever seen those without the laugh track no i can imagine they can't be like they've taken some of and you watch it with just the actor saying the words and it's like is anything funny ever happen on it well it's just it's strange it's like you're watching um it just doesn't make any sense yeah it's it's illogical yeah and that that that that place people get in their heads

13:39where they just go it'll be fine yeah yeah like i mean news radio if we did a scene and it didn't get a laugh we rewrote the whole scene yeah literally like with the audience there well i think the term good enough is perfect for comedy yeah that's good enough people are kind of chuckling well something you once you get a certain number of characters that you can get to interact with each other and predictable ways on those shows then they just sort of have them have these little scenes and have different inflections and different stumbles and and they make a show out of it and for the audience it just becomes comfort yes the familiarity i maintain that's what drove charlie sheen crazy mm-hmm he's doing that goddamn show yeah yeah he did for a long time for a long time i think that's what drove him to the edge i thought i think he was always crazy yeah but i think

14:28when you do a show that you don't enjoy doing or that you don't look the guy was in platoon yeah right yeah i mean he was in some amazing field he wasn't very funny in that no no he wasn't yeah he was really kind of a bummer yeah they should they should have taken that as a warning yeah they should take that comedy label off that that should stop ending up in all those kinds of wall street i mean he was in some giant good run movies and then he's on this show that doesn't really make sense right yeah and he's really talented yeah like he's a really really talented actor yeah yeah and really funny as an actor like great amazing timing uh what was the uh like the uh the zucker brothers franchise uh hotshots yes oh yeah about those hot shots it was funny those they don't make those kind of movies anymore like nobody does jokes anymore it doesn't say no well you can't do jokes effort is

15:23frowned upon right i think you have to be lazy well comedy movies are you know there's still comedy movies right there's like the judd apatow type films and you know they're still they still make comedy movies yeah but there's it seems like there's not as many anymore yeah or maybe i just don't go out as much there's a little bit of that too yeah but it's also like the subject matter so dangerous now like everything that used to be funny we i watched ace ventura pet detective with my kids and i did not remember how transphobic that movie is like the whole movie is one gigantic trans joke that's true i don't know if i've ever seen it at the end of it i'm like whoa i forgot this is crazy like the men when they find out she's a girl they're throwing up and or that that she's a boy rather they're brushing teeth yeah they're scrubbing your mouth out everyone's vomiting

16:20you would be skewered if you said that today you'd be finished yeah it would be done and they stole that whole joke from the crying game oh that's true which is one of the funniest movies i've ever seen which one came first uh i don't know anything imagine if the train crying game did a serious version of ace ventura they're like i have an idea i forgot about the crying the whole ass talking scene would be totally different yeah i thought i remember watching the crying game going uh and i heard there's this big twist big surprise twist that's a guy oh i bet i bet what happens is that the the the transvestite turns out to be an ira spy because you were already two steps ahead yeah i forgot that movie yeah yeah so how long you guys been doing this podcast this halloween since just before christmas yeah it's not not that long yeah yeah probably we've known each other

17:16we've known each other a lot 30 years ago what motivated it our wives did they say get the out of here pretty much yeah that's it yeah can you go do something do something else and uh and they're actually in on the podcast with us like uh chrissy my wife produces it and you know puts it all together jackie harris screamed super hard to fire her it is well we're the ones who will get fired oh man well she fired me once so that's right it's like 10 years right yeah i don't know if yeah yeah but christy and i were we separated for 10 years well you well uh well actually last time i saw you as well during that separation yeah um but uh so you got back together we got back together that's nice two years ago yeah chrissy's great i remember running into her at a satan thing that the satanic thing right yeah duncan trussell my good friend was performing at uh is it stanton levay's grandson or

18:12something like anton levine yeah grandson and uh they were getting married at this crazy theater and your wife was dressed as like a devil or some yeah some sort of god she was like dancing there and i'm like oh hi how are you what are you doing here like you're a normal person why are you here yeah but uh that there's a picture of me with uh anton levay that uh knuckleheads to this day uses evidence that i am a satiation satan worshipper you're merely an associate yeah um you are you are a satan associated i'm satan adjacent yeah i think that's what they say now yeah you know and that's fan boy i love that that that's something people still worry about i'm a satan fanboy there you are oh my god yeah that's good that's me and they i think that's uh hank williams the third shirt that i'm wearing there that's the thing the fact that people still worry about satan

19:09is just i mean you want to just say calm down he's not a problem because he doesn't exist just like your god oh wow they both dare you there's people listening right now that just took their earphones off and threw them across the room yeah well they're gonna have to get new here i could hear you know whether or not god exists is a fascinating point of discussion but what's interesting is this agreement that people uh say when they decide that god exists and you decide that god exists and i decided god exists so we both have agreed that there's this weird thing that makes no sense that we're on board with so i know where you stand on a lot of issues you know i probably know where you stand on abortion i probably know where you stand on guns i probably know where you stand on climate change it's like it's it's a weird little thing that you do when you say that you know when you say

20:02well i'm you know i'm a god-fearing christian oh me too okay now i can predict you better it's like you're all wearing the same dakota ring yes yes yeah well that is what a lot of it is a lot of it is people whether or not you believe in god or not it's the saying that god's real and the worshiping god and the talking about god is just letting everybody know that they can predict you yeah they know where you kind of like if you're a gentleman if you're a gentleman you're wearing a tie with a nice suit on and pair of pants i can fairly likely predict that you're going to be reasonably behaved yeah you're a gentleman yeah you know if you're a christian if you're a person who calls himself a christian and you know well we go to the bible we go to church every sunday and i i like to read the bible and i am a christian and people automatically go oh okay i kind

20:49of know where you're coming from i can i can see where you are and now i like that you can predict me because you'll like me better right so we don't have to talk about it you just know all right i'll reinforce those those patterns in your head and i'll say some things that i i've repeated things that i've heard other people say about god and jesus and mm-hmm yeah and it's a nice way to kill time it's not a bad way you know believing in god and going to church it's a great you kill time and you know until death nullifies all meaning well i think the community thing of it is a good thing yeah there's there's some there's some really powerful like bonding experiences that people have when they agree to be humble together yeah yeah you're describing curling curling curling another great another great canadian that's a sport look if you said that there's

21:36two seawards in canada yeah they're very popular curling yeah that's right and there's no way curling is one of the top tv yeah you cannot rise to the tops of curling without humbling yourself because you humble yourself the minute you say i'm going to go curling right when you pick up that brush you have a big smile on your face yeah decide to sweep ice yeah i've tried curling man that's not easy no it's hard which still doesn't make it a sport i made fun of it in newfoundland and they got so mad at me oh yeah don't make fun of curling the arena the theater where i was at like had these uh pictures of curlers on the wall i just could not stop on them they were legitimately upset i'm like it is a preposterous endeavor yeah you know it and i know it you're sliding a rock on the ice yeah yeah it used to be a reason to drink that's what curling was where everybody would get together wasted

22:24and you don't fall very far on the ice because you're already squatting yeah right yeah and the other people are leaning against brooms that's right you got a broom to lean against it's great for drinking it's also like when you fall on ice it's almost always funny always yeah it's never yeah no one's you don't fall elegantly right you can go hiking and slip a little and catch yourself right but even when you're watching the nhl and you'll see players that will just fall down yeah just for no reason it's hilarious these are the best gators in the world and they're just gonna just fell on his ass he's a professional athlete yeah yeah if i if i ran ahead with a volkswagen i couldn't knock him over yeah right but he just fell how long has curling been around hundreds of times it's a scottish sport it's a scottish sport where they used to use actual rocks they'd find in fields yeah

23:16and played on frozen lakes frozen lakes because that's uh the only kind they have in scotland yeah um our frozen ones and uh who's that loch ness monster tan around there's a lot of he's a wonderful curler david are you scottish i believe i'm from yeah i've got yes i got the my wife is also part scottish i mean there's a lot of scottish people in canada so you can see why curling would be popular you know yeah very very scottish country canada that's strange that's why there's so many gourds and and craigslist gordon johnson gordon yeah that's right that would be a scottish word right yeah yeah and of course because of gordy how everyone named their kids gord i went to school with a guy named gregor 60s i mean that was his first name gregor gregory i know a guy named gregor gregor gillespie fights in the ufc okay he's an animal kind of gregor probably yeah it's a

24:06savage can i just give one interesting ufc memory for me please i watched the very first ufc one uh with i had a troop at the time and we invited boy scout troops it wasn't it was a comedy troupe but we dressed as boy scouts but we invited neil patrick harris over who was 20 years old at the time he was in town we just met him and he came over and soon as the sumo wrestler got his face kicked in and spit a tooth out i believe he was like i'm out of here i gotta get out and we made him stay and watch the whole thing good for you and that's what made him gay well that was thanks for ruining the story dave i don't know if that's true i don't know something happened yeah maybe someone dropped him on his head yeah i don't think he knows he looked like he was all right as a kid something went wrong or right depending on if you're his boyfriend yeah imagine it depends if he's a good

25:05boyfriend right yeah yeah well i guess but i mean if the boy husband is a husband husband yeah that guy's really into him thank god you watched that fight that time yeah yeah so did you have to get remarried or did you just please well we never got when kirsty and i never got around to getting divorced because we're perfect paperwork beautiful yeah so we were yeah we're yeah we separated we we actually filed for divorce once but screwed up the paperwork somehow mm-hmm is that true yeah and then uh yeah and then uh and then we just never got around to it again you just didn't fix it and refile it yeah i'm not you know i'm not i'm not good with organizing so uh we just so we were just separated for you know it's funny because chrissy's very organized she is yeah it seems like maybe jackie maybe she's the one who wasn't willing to let go you know she was telling you something

26:03yeah yeah she was clearly something dave clearly yeah and that's what that's what yeah that's what like we used to go on vacation with them when they were divorced like divorced they would go as a together yeah we did all our family trips did they did all family trouble they weren't together well the first two years we weren't that we didn't do much no those are no yeah the dark years yeah the darkness but then uh yeah that was yeah that's why we yeah we kept doing all of our family trips together we go to hawaii it's like they were still married all of us yeah and so when we finally did get back together it was really just so it was mostly about the convenience of our friends it was just like you know this is going to make everyone else's life easier really yeah because they don't you know well we didn't have to go to two houses yeah yeah which i hated that's so canadian of you

26:49yeah so polite that's what the canadian does yeah he's doesn't get divorced because the first one how long have you been married now 10 years and you've been in that's the only time you've ever been married thank god thank the baby jesus oh my god yes praise praise jesus yeah it's done that it's working yeah it's it's great yeah yeah if it works it's great yeah i always tell people don't do it it's too risky yeah you could 50 of the people don't make it yeah it's a it's not a good uh good rate of success would you drive a car if you knew that 50 likely you would die in a crash right yeah i mean it was an institution that made sense when you're only going to live to be 40. so well it makes sense there's some parts of it that make sense the problem is that it's become a business and it's become a business for people to try to squeeze like i'll never forget trying to

27:39talk phil into getting divorced yeah i go just give her half and he goes it's not half it's two-thirds it's a scam the lawyers get a third yeah you give away two thirds and he was freaking out about it yeah and that's true and he could have lived nicely on that third he should have given her that um i don't think that i mean the word was that that's why she killed him that he was leaving that that was he was finally leaving yeah and then that's when she killed him but when we were together with him there was always days where he would come to the set and just be just in hell oh yeah well what yeah and he wouldn't well there'd be this he'd just be on the floor of the studio and like ranting yeah about about you know i'm living in my boat yeah he lived in his boat it was rough man yeah and then he would come back like a day later and it'd be i'm back together with my blushing bride

28:32that's the exact quote yeah and that's the exact quote and we'd all just be going oh yeah it was poor bastard yeah although none of it the weird thing is right there was not one good marriage on the show no like everyone was going through a terrible marriage at the time like i was proud that i was one person who wasn't on antidepressants about that i wasn't on any pills and i wasn't in therapy but i probably needed it i think we all did yeah but yeah i mean i remember we started like it was the second season we came back and steve root had gotten divorced yeah and he was the first one to get that i mean i think everyone feared to be me or phil yeah who would get divorced for not stephen and then maura right but steve yeah we didn't know how bad it was for steve i guess it's hard out there it's hard it's hard to make it mm-hmm hard for people to stay together be nice

29:26to each other yeah yeah yeah yeah it takes does they say it takes work but it actually takes work yeah it does take work you waited until you were an adult too yeah it's a good move yeah most people get married before they're adults yeah i think you should wait until you know who the you are and still i'm still guessing yeah even to this day i'm guessing who i am literally my dad almost on his death bed told me don't do it you can't get married until you're 30. yeah that's a good move and uh he i didn't i got married at 30. but he was like don't do it don't do it before 30 because you don't know who you are you don't know what you're what's going on well i've seen too many predatory marriages i've seen women marry men that don't really like because they know the man has money and i've seen i've seen the opposite it's just such a weird thing when you enter into contractual agreement about

30:18romance like it's it's it's not just i i love you you love me let's let's have a celebration of our love and let's invite our friends over and tell everybody we've we've decided to engage each other in this very special commitment but then you start bringing in lawyers yeah right and then it gets weird and then you know you have weird state by state laws where there's common law marriages if you live with someone for 10 years and yeah that might have been where humanity went wrong was when the first guy said i'm gonna be a lawyer like that was his decision i'm looking around and i think yeah there's a lot of ugliness in the world yeah when was the first thing they had to work on it was the first lawyer like what was the there's a series of laws right the first lawyers had to have been priests right i would guess so yeah yeah i mean the laws the pharisees initially were

31:10basically lawyers right what is the pharisees like the jewish the jewish priests oh okay makes sense that does make a lot of sense yeah a lot of my relatives yeah yeah like when did it become a thing where it was you would go to law school and it was uh a respectable occupation and it would be good to know a good lawyer yeah i think those things started out as not respectable and people did them because they didn't have any other like choice yeah and then they realized oh they're making all the money you know and then it became respectable yeah well once they figured out there's all these legalese and loopholes in the system there's ways to extract money yeah you just got to be weasley about it and like and then they invent a whole language to exclude anyone else from understanding it yeah do you think they build hourly back then still yeah but then again time hadn't been

32:08codified so so what did they build by an hour it was basically decided by community standards you know when was time codified uh when the railroads came in is that true well that's when that's when time zones were created time zones were created by the railroads so everybody was on a different time zone yeah every town every town set its own time like like you could have you could drive you know you could drive from you know like uh from denver to fort collins and the two cities would be in completely different times wow and how you sync up your watch with the town clock yeah you have the yeah the clock in the main square and that would be the time that's the time but when they started having to schedule railroads they realized well all these towns and then they started having huge competitions to invent uh ways of synchronizing clocks between cities so did they use a sundial to get

32:58the initial reading i think it really was just as simple as we'll call this midnight or we'll call this noon you know and then they just went from there and none of the clocks were that accurate so time would shift over time so uh it became that was like in like the 19th century was a a huge move to try and find a way to synchronize clocks and that drove kind of drove a lot of the beginnings of technology do you remember when you were a kid you would call a phone number to get the time always yes for sure the exact time the weather as well sometimes yeah but the time the time is exactly yeah 4 59 and 35 seconds well and in canada at uh one o'clock every day they had the national time tone right oh yeah at the secession of the long beep it will be exactly one piece radio and tv why 1 p.m i don't know why but that was when they would do it at 1 pm every

33:53day the cbc would would broadcast a tone and that was the time for the whole country wow i never would have guessed that time zones are created by the railroads yeah but it totally makes sense you can't have a schedule without everybody at the same time because before that nobody went anywhere you know arizona still doesn't do daylight savings time they're like you yeah that's stupid they're allowed to do that yep yep yep wow if you drive from like if you drive from nevada to arizona you're you're you miss an error yeah they aren't the only state isn't there another state that doesn't i wonder i think what i'm aware of why it's good for them well that's right that island is theirs yeah that's a that's a country that we occupy with hotels you feel it when you're there yes it's got its own feeling the rest of it was given to us by god yes that's true it's manifest destiny

34:50correct yes the rest of it but not hawaii no because that came that's late that was late there's no single con like there's no state where the people are so clearly like their ethnicity is so clearly defined yeah they're polynesian-looking yeah totally they're they're completely cultured north dakota or florida or some it's it's like they're not from the european heritage no yeah there's you know there's an interesting debate going on about what is na california moves towards permanent daylight savings time yes yes does that mean we always every day we get to get up an hour early yes every day earlier earlier and earlier and earlier the majority of arizona is on permanent standard time and the year-long daylight savings times followed by hawaii in the territories of the american samoa oh guam and minor outlying islands woof well i say california let's be really bold and

35:48go for permanent daylight um like like in the last day exactly yeah let's just give up on night well and then just everybody wants to kill themselves when it's nighttime there's an interesting debate going on in hawaii right now as to what is uh an invasive species because so much of the wildlife in in hawaii was brought over yes and so there's there's some debate on certain islands where they want to eliminate the wild pigs because they say they're an invasive species and then the people are saying but well hold on because we kind of came after a lot of these wild pigs yeah like a lot of the wild pigs were dropped off by pirates like pirates and and people that were in a boating like that were traveling by boat across the world they would drop off goats and pigs on various islands so they would have something to hunt when they would come back for food

36:40because they knew that this would be a stop along their route which is clever it is collaborative it ruined a lot of islands especially the goats yes destroyed a lot of islands i just ate it and now there's in hawaii there's a lot of mongoose oh really yeah they brought mongoose in at some point i forgot what it was was to control the rabbit population that was brought or the rats i think was to control the rats that came in from again from shipping and then the mongoose probably started another among these are just all over the place yeah mongoose i was on an alaska holiday and i made a joke about you know i'm looking for beavers because i didn't think there were beavers in alaska because it's too cold they said no last 10 years we've got tons of beavers here because of global warming realtors everywhere yeah they're moving wow yeah beavers are migrating north yep alaska is a

37:24fascinating place if you go there in the summer you go there in the summer you have never seen more aggressive mosquitoes it's like they know they only have two months to live and so you get out of your car they swarm you like a cloud it's crazy i've never seen anything like it in my life you would think tropical weather that's where the mosquitoes are yeah no alaska yeah they're ferocious and they're huge yeah yeah i've never i'm actually gonna go there in november i think oh yeah what are you doing doing the thing touring with uh who's live anyway it's like an improv tour so who's live anyway like a take off whose line is it anyway yeah it's a yeah it's like greg proups and jeff dude and uh yeah so greg and jeff and joel murray okay cool and me i guess joel murray's bill murray's brother right yeah yeah yeah so it's like a rotating uh so those three guys at the core and

38:16then there's a uh ryan styles myself drew carey and uh and chip eston sort of rotate through oh nice legs of the tour drew carey might be the nicest person that's ever lived i don't know him well he might be the nicest guy ever yeah yeah remember it was the drew carey show that finally got news radio canceled really not so nice now nope nope remember we did a whole year after that yeah but i think that was what it was i don't think they wanted to do it anymore after that yeah but i think our ratings our ratings tanked when we when they put us up against true characters our ratings are always that's the most amazing thing is that the ratings were really great once we got canceled and then it was on tv like like they would show the reruns and people go oh this is a funny show yeah they found it it's true i remember lou morton uh one of our writers showing up at the huge show up

39:02at the reed table with a different number on a shirt every week when we were in the real when we were following hello yeah number 98 out of 100 shows 88 was one day yeah no i go is that real he's like yeah like have the shirt made yeah yeah no you would draw it basically basically a sweatshirt with a marker on it that's hilarious but he would just show up with this number on his shirt and i was like 88 he's like yeah there's a certain source of pride when you can yeah still be hanging on the one year that i thought we weren't gonna get canceled was the year we got cancelled i was like well we're doing pretty good yeah well actually ratings were all right yeah it's a five-year show right five years but much like the whole like we never really hit a hundred episodes we got to like 99.97 99 because nbc didn't own it so they did that with a bunch of shows

39:51they didn't own they do that on purpose for that year but four or five shows they canceled at 97 episodes really yeah because they because there's you know that's 100 it goes into syndication is that right it used to be the rule yeah yeah but now syndication anything doesn't really exist anymore well the weirdest one was the charlie sheen model that they did with that anger management show where they devised a whole new system yeah if the first couple episodes do well it we order a hundred yes and they produce them all in a year yes they just smashed them together they just they wrote it within five minutes and started filming yeah like filming and writing on the fly everything was dog charlie and they shot like four episodes a week they paid charlie incredible they just pushed yeah yeah thousands of dollars with a crack into his account yeah they had one of those old-timey ice

40:39guys that used to deliver ice delivered the crack thing to his door yeah because because here's the thing they haven't solved you can't get crack out of an atm machine yet no not anymore you can get pot out of one now yeah you get pot out of a dispensary in california that's good yeah well i don't know where well see find out where they are but there's there's they do have marijuana dispensary machines yeah yeah you must have to like show some sort of uh id proof of our data yeah proof of age but i guess if you just have your if you have a passenger license yeah a passport or a driver's license like if you can read the passport they have a machine that reads a passport at the airport that you know when you go through uh if you have like um global entry they got the face recognition thing too i got the clear yeah i got that yeah fingerprint one that's nice too yeah global entry is the

41:26best joke you don't have to with that giant line yeah you just should have got that i got the stupid tsa got it global entry is great because it comes with tsa pre yeah i got the tsa getting angry again that makes me mad yeah the the ultimate combo is tsa pre and clear yeah because you they just do the fingerprints boom and then they push you right into the lines sounds like venereal diseases then nice people walk you they walk you off all the way free and clear yeah clear not tsa pre but clear the nice people walk you all the way over to the air yeah yeah and you can ask the person you have the option of actually pissing on the people that you're passing they can't be serious on their feet because they don't have any shoes on them oh my god i have to get this yeah that sounds fantastic i gotta get that but then yeah i don't go out of the car then you have to travel so you don't

42:12no not much i mean to canada but that doesn't really matter country yeah but yeah that's still in this country yeah well you could always go through through the woods to get to canada it's true people would talk about the borders 100 100 yard clear cut is most of the border with canada it's just a 100 yard clear cut in the forest so it's it's actually cut yeah they just cut the trees down it's like a hundred yards wide mm-hmm and that's the border all across it's not from one end not only is it it's it's actually easier to cross the border than the surrounding area yeah because the surrounding areas of the forest yeah now do they do they actually maintain that cut yeah yeah really so every year someone's job is to cut down the trees for a hundred yard space between the united states and canada yeah wow that's most of the canadian border just to let you know if you're a

42:58criminal and you cross here additional charges will apply yeah because now you've fled the country well have you ever seen the you've seen the footage of i think refugees coming into canada and the mounties meeting them and they're going the mounties are just there going now you understand that when you cross over here we will be arresting you there's look at that that's the line wow that's crazy the 49th parallel it says yeah wow that's crazy i bet that's uh you need two passports to watch so there they're american there's where your terror should lie that's the opposite of a wall yeah that's an actual welcoming path actually yeah that shows how much we like canada yeah or how little you think about it making it easier to cross yeah we'll make it really like it's super easy it's easier that 100 yard stretch is like ah don't trippy relax yourself you're about to hit paradise

43:51and most most of the visa overstays are canadian which is the the bulk of illegal immigration in america is canadians overstaying their visas yeah right i've done that yeah it's a giant part of it right i mean we all overstay our welcome british folks too definitely yeah yeah but no one cares but the thing is people don't think about canada there's a lot of people in this country from a lot of other countries that just keep their mouth shut yeah no one knows like whenever they say that they know like they take an estimate on how many illegal aliens i'm like that's a gas oh yes guessed you have no idea yeah well it's kind of well i was just thinking you actually had uh was it uh brian cox on yes and he said when they talk about the the uh the size of the the universe yes most of it's just a guess yeah based on the the observable universe based on the number of galaxies

44:41they can see they're just guessing how many galaxies there are i think that's the same with illegal immigration you're just going well think probably more likely to be accurate with illegal immigration than you are with stars yeah i think the star thing the problem is now i'll butcher this but i think it's that literally we don't have the capability to look past 13 point whatever billion years yes they can't really look yeah so if they look and they go oh no there's just like a big space and then yeah if you go 18 more billion years back there's a thriving community of galaxies that's distance in time but then the just the sheer vastness of the sky they've only actually like like looked at a fraction of it right well talking to a guy like him is so amazing because you you realize like okay well there's different kinds of humans yeah there's there's humans that are actually

45:34studying these insanely complicated equations that are trying to prove the the very nature of reality itself yeah and then there's champs like me who are just listening going oh okay yeah okay so real real big big big yeah okay how do we know it started there was a bang oh okay what started the bang mr smarty pants but brian cox he's he's innovative in that he is an astrophysicist and he looks like a young david cassidy and he's a musician is he a musician yeah he's he's dreamy yeah he's a great guy i had a crush on him too super sweetheart of a guy too like not just i've never met him i love watching him on tv i did his podcast once the live version of it which is interesting it's great and he apparently has a new show that's coming here that i i'll go with his show come with yeah i'd love to it's um he has a gigantic screen behind him filled with interlocking led screens

46:33that uh apparently it's like this unbelievably gorgeous high definition version of the cosmos wow so and it's created by the same people who did um that movie with uh which one interstellar interstellar yeah yeah it's created by and it's like accurate like the the cgi is actually accurate according to you know like his type of equations yeah i mean he worked at cern you know he's like he's amazing he's amazing yeah and he's a legit beautiful man yeah wow yeah yeah nice long rock star here that's what he was a rock star david he was in a band in the 80s oh yeah no he was a legit rock star yeah yeah yeah i mean genius rock star yeah good luck guys that guy's trying to your wife he got a real problem i think he was in scritty pulity why are astrophysicists getting cuter i mean yeah yeah i mean you start with stephen hawking then you get to what's his name green right you know neil

47:35degrasse tyson you know he's a handsome yeah that's a fella charming sure yeah good laugh yeah you you didn't have to be pretty in the old days no that position of science communicator is so effective it's so important because most of that stuff is so dry and so difficult to to wrap your head around like you need someone yeah someone a car meaning yes someone engaging that can deliver this like with with brian he's so nice like that as he's like so smiley and he enjoys it so much he loves talking about it so much that it becomes infectious because there's a lot of that stuff that's very difficult to follow when you try to read the papers yeah yeah i read the stephen hawking books and i would zone out so much while i was trying to comprehend what was going on i had lawrence krauss on and uh i was trying to get him to explain um some certain formulas and just

48:32even when he's explaining them to you it doesn't seem to click like you you really have to it's one of those things you it's like someone trying to explain french words to you by only speaking to you in french yeah yeah you're like okay but i don't speak french and you're like yeah well you're oh my god yeah like that's the as soon as you say infinity yes we go that that's only a mathematical idea yeah i mean how can anything be infinite i mean i know well i mean in math you can say it like you can say that a straight line goes on forever and two parallel lines will never intersect pi is there theoretically yeah no it never ends well why is that difficult to grasp though that's the real question like why is why do we need everything to be defined by a very obvious beginning and an end because it's everything we experience has a beginning biologically because we experience time yeah

49:28time doesn't is not experienced everywhere the same way well time isn't experienced at all if you're not sentient true yeah what is it arizona yeah you whack it off it's different yeah but yeah it's the i always wondered if like there was a reason why we wanted things to have a beginning and an end like is it because we have our life and our life has a beginning and an end all the lives of the people we know yeah well we definitely doesn't end both do people are obsessed with that do we want things or are we terrified of beginnings and ends threat too that's why we create you know gods and religions is because the idea that that life ends and that it's all been for nothing is terrifying to people there's a little bit of that yeah there's a little bit of like doing it to create order in the community and there's a little bit of people find mushrooms and they need an explanation

50:19what the they're feeling it's like our brains are constructed in such a way that we need an end yeah or else you don't understand where am i now i have there's no end my uh very uninformed theory which is that first off that everything is meaningless but that only the brain damaged are capable of con conceiving of meaninglessness because our brains are meaning machines and that we evolved and it gave us an evolutionary advantage that we give meaning to things like i said this is a table because we say it's a table right it's not a table to a cat that's why a cat will just get up and walk around on it like it's yeah because it's from a mutual agreement yeah we agree this is a table right and that kind of meaning let us organize our lives let us be better hunters uh you know what you know what constantly occurs to me and bothers me is that we decide not to drive into each

51:12other because we've painted a little line on a road down the middle yeah we've all agreed not to cross that yeah that line that's what i'm saying we ascribe meaning to objects and that gave us an advantage over other animals and so our brains just evolved and then when we got to the point where we realized we're going to die we go well there's got to be some meaning there too so then we had to create myths that where do we go that created meaning about our lives that's a very the dangerous loop of there's no meaning to everything and nothing has no meaning nothing has meaning that that's a dangerous loop for a person psychologically because you can get stuck in that and you can really but i don't think you can because it's impossible to conceive of unless you are seriously brain damaged well no i don't think it's impossible to conceive it's it's you won't you can imagine you can

51:57intellectually think about it but you can't you can't grasp it isn't living in the now kind of the same as life has no meaning no because you're not thinking about the future you know you're not you're not thinking about the fact that it has no meaning you're enjoying you're now with me you're enjoying the meaning you're enjoying life you're enjoying experience you're enjoying each interaction with people you're enjoying your thoughts i think the the the problem that people have is like what's the point that's the problem that what's that what's the point thought and that's a weird loop and that's the thing is it doesn't really matter because you're going to create a point anyway um like i mean it's like there's an existential psychology they had there's like five different ways people ascribe meaning metaphysical meaning reproductive meaning biological meaning

52:39uh or creative meaning like the works you do right that somehow you live on in all these different ways like a lot of atheists are tend to be artists who believe that they live on through their work and which is totally as stupid as believing in god it is it's definitely silly i mean obviously someone's going to enjoy your work but i think the real meaning is in creating the work and then the fact that people are going to enjoy it if you're doing it because you want it to live on forever you're a yeah good luck with that because there's no more there's no forever for the whole planet but i just think meaning is an inescapable product of the human mind yeah the exam one example is like like they did a study where they went all like into the jungles of the amazon to people who have never had any contact with the modern world and they drew a circle with two dots and a curved line

53:23and everyone sees a face everyone sees a face the only people who don't see a face are people who've been brain damaged and can no longer form the meaning of those lines oh interesting so you there are people who suffer brain doesn't that correspond to their own artwork because like their artwork is very similar to our artwork and the fact that stick figures and they represent humans and circles ahead yeah all that stuff but they probably haven't had the happy face t-shirt i had uh lunch with eric von daniken last week oh my god yes very interesting very weird yeah he's the guy who wrote chariots of the gods oh god yeah yeah in his eighties now staple book at our house and uh he was showing us slides what's the real story there i was wondering mostly nonsense unfortunately yeah mostly mostly what it is is evidence of lost civilizations ancient civilizations that were incredibly advanced

54:21i follow the work of graham hancock and randall carlson and a few other people that are being proven actually correct more and more almost on a daily basis by new discoveries that show that that civilization predates what we initially thought yeah the initial thought was that somewhere around the great pyramids which is like 2500 bc that was about as good as anybody got you go back to like ancient sumer which is about 6 000 years ago and that's basically it what they're saying is that no there was most likely a reset a global reset of civilization due to a cataclysmic disaster and there's a ton of evidence there's massive evidence in the form of this nuclear glass that exists when there's asteroidal impacts and um also there's a guy named dr robert shock who's one of the first guys to propose this it's actually when he freaked me out on the podcast he said

55:16there was a mass coronal ejection that most likely cause lightning storms like a rain storm but lightning like that much lightning destroying the ground and that the only people that survived were people that could get undercover that could get into like caves yeah mass extinction of 60 plus percent of the large mammals in a very short window of time almost instantaneously in north america the the the end of the ice age like 10 000 plus years ago there was a mile high ice in most of north america right most of north america covered in ice then gone and all these all these areas all these points of interest point to this one one moment in time that's somewhere between 10 and 12 000 years ago that some big event happened and that most likely just crippled civilization and then people had to rebuild whatever people were around because also they found like just looking at dna that

56:16all of humanity at one point got wiped out except for like one village that there was only that everyone is of everyone has descended from uh the same group of about 5 000 people well there was a super volcano that erupted somewhere around 70 000 years ago they think this is predating this cataclysmic disaster 12 000 years ago that they are pretty sure wiped human beings down to a few thousand folks yeah like i want to say it's where's is that true wow that that super volcano there's there's a super volcano that knocked everybody down we'll find it yeah um we've got one under yosemite right oh it's our yellow stuff yellowstone is gonna get us all every six to eight hundred thousand years it blows i think we're due right that's why i don't go camping don't go well that might not be the worst place to go no like go camping be over it that way yeah that way when it ends it ends quick you

57:09don't want to be living in new york not just choking dust yeah that's the worst watching people eat homeless folks in the street yeah there's no uh do that now a good place yeah well there's also like things that fly through space and zip by you know like they're they're just constantly finding these things yeah that's the thing well these things the eric von danigan thing i remember as a kid going my problem was they kept showing well these massive paintings that can only be seen from the sky so therefore there must have been drawn for aliens and i could come no if you believe god is looking down on you you're going to draw big paintings for god to look at right so you don't need that but now right but now i'm more the thing i'm become obsessed with lately is the skepticism about ufos yeah that's why i wanted to talk to you about this because you told me that you've become

58:02obsessed with ufos absolutely oh yeah completely and it's a believer yeah totally really yeah i totally believe the ufo phenomena is real i don't know what it is but it's totally it has to be real something's happening why is that because there's just way too much evidence that it is real what evidence uh well uh radar evidence that the the f-16 locked on a ufo that footage and also just uh like i know the friend of ours i don't know if she wanted to say it but her father was uh an air traffic controller and he told her they said yeah every air traffic controller has seen something yeah and i had another friend whose father was in a commercial pilot and she said yeah my dad said every single pilot has seen something and they've all been told not to say anything about it we have a couple of friends that say they were abducted yeah yeah the abducted one is a

58:51little easier to wrap your head around because when you're sleeping your brain is producing all sorts of endogenous psychedelic chemicals yeah almost all of these experiences happen when you're sleeping almost always experience when these people are abducted they're taken from their beds which is when they're dreaming yeah i mean it's it's like there's some real clear easy steps to follow if you want to follow occam's razor and not you not get crazy but it knocks those out but it doesn't knock out like barney and betty hill and all the people that are abducted will fully conscious and that end that remember without hypnotherapy um like i'm not sure about the abduction phenomenon but i don't know barney and betty hill i know the story yeah but i don't know them yeah so i would have to know them because there's a lot of people that i've told like i did a show for sci-fi called

59:33joe rogan questions everything yeah i watched that show that cured me that show cured me of a lot of my nonsense with with conspiracies well we used to talk about it yes yeah that stuff yeah all the time yeah yeah but i i needed to actually study it so for six months that's basically all i did i interviewed people and i like bigfoot believers ufo believers all and the one thing that they have in common is they all seem to be kind of lost and dependent upon this thing being real yeah right instead of being objective there's only one lady that i interviewed that saw bigfoot that really seemed to be telling the truth but i think she saw bear i think bears walk on two feet all the time they do it all the time there's video footage you can find it all the time and she was in the pacific northwest which is incredibly dense woods you see something you glimpse it look i was hunting once in

60:26in canada and alberta and i thought i saw a wolf for like two seconds it was a squirrel okay understand this this is very big what is that no squirrel yeah no i just saw fur right i saw fur and i was because it's really damn because i was looking for wolves because i was like because i know we did see one wolf across the road either wolf or coyote was hard to tell because it was at dusk it was very dark out but um when you're looking for something you think everything is that thing you're looking for yeah so like a first location i thought that squirrel was a wolf that's funny yeah well expectation and perception are very linked yes yes well there's also that they found that uh that fifty percent of everything you see is a product of memory yes that that when you observe something they've done fmris and that most of the activity in the brain is in the memory centers not

61:18in the uh visual studies it's interesting only about 50 of the activities in the visual centers you know the u.s that's crazy the ufo thing is very i when i was a kid i went and saw carl sagan speak at u of t at the university of toronto and i was like you know 14 but he did an equation on the board of the possibility of alien life other than us in the universe and it came to the smallest i mean he spent the whole time writing on this chalkboard it was fascinating but he actually came up with a number at the end and it was such a small he says there is there is something out there but they are so far away that yeah they'll that unless they can go faster than the speed of light which he said was impossible at the time yeah the 70s yeah uh there's no way we've seen them that's what he said so if some other beings have conquered the speed of light thing then maybe we could see them yeah but

62:22that's a thing with uh an example problem with this skepticism in general is like uh that it you know like like the skeptic skeptics of the of the 19th century were the ones who said germs don't exist right because we can't see them and and people who said germs did exist were ridiculed and laughed out of the trade right and um i i agree with you completely just because you can't see it or it's not happening doesn't mean it can't happen and even since sagan's day there had been no exoplanets discovered then right we now know that there are literally trillions and trillions of sure planet earth-like planets yeah well they did they just speculated us to the existence of the outside of our solar system before the the real problem is that if some there's a leap and a leap a technological leap that opens the doors to massive innovation yeah that once this happens once this

63:14happens in this and then all this stuff sort of exponentially expands in terms of technological possibilities all you would need is a few hundred years and you have an unrecognizable set of technology yeah sure you know i mean well you were talking about cern i mean the whole antimatter idea that they're still trying to figure out yeah uh that's an un insane source of energy that we have never even experienced yeah you know with them with a grain of sand yeah you can run a city i mean it's that big yeah yeah and then there's also a theory there's a recent one that space time itself doesn't exist so the the speed of light barrier becomes moot because that is i guess it's the holographic quantum hologram theory quantum holographic theory of the universe oh yeah that's that's actually albert's book uh i can't remember holographic that yeah i think so and but the idea

64:13that the universe is basically just a geometry that that when you look at it from a certain angle seems three-dimensional right and it folds on folds into itself so you could and it's traveled through that's the wormhole thing well it's not even that it's the idea that that that space time is an illusion is uh and that that it doesn't really exist and that's why uh you know like uh uh entanglement is possible you know the idea that you know spooky action at a distance yes that uh yeah yeah but that the reason that you know you know uh these you know atoms on opposite ends of the universe can be affect each other instantaneously at the same time it's because they're not really at opposite ends of the universe they're really right next to each other it just seems like they're at opposite ends of the universe because our ability perceive is basically based on what we have to do to

65:03stay alive on this planet so our meager little chimp brains are trying to trying to quantify all of these things that are around us all the time so we put them into this sort of three-dimensional box of movement and distance and and that the entire entire universe could be a compact thing yeah that projects itself like a hologram onto a screen i love these kind of conversations because i'm clearly too stupid to really understand what i don't understand i don't understand anything i just said and i don't understand you two so how stupid does that make me well we don't understand each other we're all the same yeah that's why i think it would be interesting to do a good documentary or something about uh from about ufology because one thing is the assumption that they're extraterrestrial is an assumption but the thing that intrigues me is the power of ridicule to silence even the

65:54most intelligent people in our community from examining something like the ridicule kept doctors from accepting germs sure because they didn't want to they didn't want to be ridiculed by their peers and even now you've got people that will like michael shermer will cling to the most absurd explanations for phenomena like the f-16 uh radar footage uh what did he what was uh michael schumer's i can't remember it but it was it was pretty it really went to great lengths that entailed having to basically uh diminish any respect you had for any of the people who reported on the events hmm it had to go and had to go into character assassination in order to to eliminate it yeah that's the best way to kill an idea he's a professional skeptic and i like michael a lot and he's been on the podcast many times but i actually had him debate randall carlson and um graham hancock about these ancient

66:49civilizations and it wasn't very good for him like you know there were some clunky moments because skeptics are believers well the problem is they're in believing in believing the problem is being a skeptic itself it's a stupid way to look at the world it's a chat you're actually sure about something i mean you should be objective right don't be skeptical right being skeptical is like i don't know but i know for sure that that's not true but it serves a massive purpose for people that really don't understand things and he can explain it to you and with actual science as long as the actual science is being used and it's not character assassination it's not mockery it's not it's not there's certain people that are just debunkers they can call themselves skeptics but they're not looking at things like oh maybe that is effective maybe that is healthy maybe that is interesting no

67:38they don't look at it that way they're looking at it they're trying to pick it apart and that's fine if you can pick it apart but if you cannot you have to be objective about the fact that oh well this is a very interesting phenomenon and this is what we know about science is and this is what we know about this thing and yeah right now we have we have a weird conundrum did chariots of the gods man did he eric von daniken was he was he a believer 100 percent yeah he's always still in all in i asked him the first thing i asked him i said what is that plaque that's in palenque i don't know if you've ever seen it it's uh is it in the book yeah it's a god uh one of their um one of their former kings that is lying on his back and he looks like he's moving some see jamie see if we could find that thing it's this really cool uh carving that they found that looks like there's a guy who is in

68:46a seat and it looks like there's fire behind his back and you could say you could say that he's manipulating controls on a ship and he's you know shooting a rocket into the heaven i would like to see what this the mainstream version of that is because also it could just be art you know imagination yeah it could be that they they knew about certain things being propelled by fire there it is yep that's it so if you see this i mean that's a big ass stretch to say that guy's in a spaceship i don't know what the that is he's sitting down it's like an altar kind of to me it could yeah but it doesn't look like he's looking through an eyepiece right that's true but what does that mean is it a telescope maybe he's just got a telescope but maybe it's just an astronomer yeah it is possible i don't think they had telescopes no i don't think a telescope was even invented till

69:38no do they even have glass at that point oh oh no well i don't know if the mayans did wow but but that was this number one piece of evidence was i was like that's kind of silly i mean when we were kids in the 70s that you know bigfoot you know and cherry to the gods and everything was so new look at this image look at the bottom of it even the part where the flames supposed to be coming out from below him which flame yeah what's the where's the flame i guess the flame is the at the very very bottom but i mean i'm not even sure i buy that if you were going to draw fire you'd do a really shitty job if that's your fire that doesn't really look like fire to me you know it's like it could be anything or nate's seat right something right if that's fire like what is all the stuff around them what's all that stuff is that that looks kind of mechanical though right it looks like there's bolts

70:26it does did they have a fire god maybe they drew the fire god it looks like a monkey kind of face with titties monkey's got some titties oh now i get it right yeah and then the monkeys is that his teeth it's the first hooters they're like arms actually right yeah it does it could be arms but that's the point is it's so open to interpretation there's so much that you could see if you're looking to see but what i do see is this guy who's he's reclining he's chilling and it looks like he's looking through something what's that thing hanging across him you see that thing across his arm yeah i don't know what the that is but here's the thing i don't think anybody knows what the that is but so for him to say that this was the number one most compelling evidence i mean were people getting high at this point oh yeah so i mean that could be just some guy got high in

71:15lsd carved something yeah they were they were um taking different kinds of plants that had like citric acid in them there was a i had a great tour um in chichen itza we uh went through and we hired a guide who was a professor he was fantastic it was really good he was he really loved mayan civilization he was super passionate about it and then when he found out that i'd read a bunch of books on and he was really excited about it so he took us to these all these different areas but there was a one area where they had this like like hall where they would just get up and he was like this is this is where they would do their their psychedelics you know they would take different forms of plants there's a bunch of different plants like morning glory seeds really yeah morning glory seeds the same ones you find today yeah they actually try to mute them a lot of people don't know that morning

72:06glory seeds actually uh contain what is the active compound i think it's a cousin of lsd it's it's something psychoactive that's very closely related and what you would they would do is they would make it they would take the morning glory sees they would they would soak them and i think they would smash them and make a cake and bake it says they have lsa less surgic acid right is that larceric acid concentrated wow yeah and uh so when you fly they've engineered morning glory seeds many of them to not be psychoactive they've done things to them because people in the 70s were getting high off morning glory seeds oh isn't that funny yeah terence mckenna who's uh one of my favorite psychedelic authors that was his first psychedelic trip he was a young man he ate morning glory seeds he bought them and smashed them up teens trying to get high sickened after eating flower seeds

73:05today's show what year is that that's so funny years ago 2016. yeah they bought flower seeds recently they probably heard me talk about it oh that's baby that's so funny morning glory yeah okay those are morning glory ones um yeah but see what are they smoking banana peels i don't know why they're getting sick they're probably too many little uh apparently these seeds contain d lars surgic acid amide lsa which closely resembles lsd but see all of them don't have that now when they say they got sick would they nausea and vomiting oh they had a bad trap and introspection introspection is sickening yeah that's the worst part but yeah apparently that's how a lot of the mayans a lot of the mayans used to uh take lsa they used to take this stuff they used to take morning glory seeds and mckenna said that when he did it he saw a lot of uh uh like classic mayan iconography he saw like a lot of

74:07imagery so maybe that's just how it reacts with the brain it could be yeah there's also there's that's a really plausible theory there's another theory that's a little more slippery and this one is uh very woo-woo and the idea is that every experience that you have like say if you take mushrooms right every when you're eating mushrooms you're not just having an experience where your brain is interacting with the substance but you are in fact experiencing all of the people that have ever interacted with this trip so that that's one of the reasons why psilocybin is so potentially potent is that you're not just accessing we're talking about morning glory seeds oh right and uh people getting high on mooring glory seeds that this is something that the mayans did we i remember we did that when i was in high school there you go um but there are explains a lot the thought well mckenna

74:58was saying that when he did it he saw all this uh i think he said either mine or egyptian iconography saw a lot of like images that were very similar to like these ancient civilizations and the thought is that either this is what it's doing to your brain or the more woo-woo thought is that when you are having a psychedelic experience especially when you're consuming something like a fungus like psilocybin that you're not just having this experience where this chemical is interacting with your brain but you're entering into the realm of all the previous experiences that human beings have had with this which is one of the reasons why psilocybin has such a rich history and these are incredibly potent experiences when you do take psilocybin and then also ayahuasca yeah when you take that people see jaguars and snakes and all these different things and so the thought

75:51behind that is that you are interacting with all the experiences that all these different people have had with these with these various uh substances is it what's genetic inside you like from here i mean who knows i mean information is stored yeah that's all just speculating but that what's interesting is that mckenna said that um ketamine which at the time when he was alive he died in the early i think early 2000s right i think he died like early 2000s um that ketamine was a weird drug to take because it seemed like no one had taken it yet that you would take it and it's like you were in an empty office building like it's all built but there's no one in the building whereas if you're taking lsd or if you're taking psilocybin you have this all these experiences that people have had so it's like the drug itself or the compound itself absorbs the experiences

76:43of the user and transfers them to the next users wow very woo-woo yeah it is i like that idea though but when you do something that's as potent as like psilocybin you you're open to anything like if that's possible if you can eat five grams of mushrooms and that happens like god damn it i'll take whatever you got what else you got what else do you tell me i don't know what the this is like what is this and that's yeah i don't know what you guys talk about yeah the psilocybin that can treat intractable depression yes yeah people take that oh no it opens up doors in your brain you take it once we'll always stay closed yeah like you do one still assignment trip and then for like six months their depression is completely gone yeah my parents had a had a friend who was uh experimented on in canada as they uh with the lsd um so she lost her mind eventually yeah but uh she didn't know

77:32at the time it was a galaxy it was a government they the cia was experimenting in canada on canadians of course and she would just have to get across that clear cut yeah that's right back then it was harder there was a rub yeah that they couldn't get over yeah that's the thing they had like they had the full cooperation of the it was the different baker i think yep you guys know the ted's kazinsky store the unabomber uh i know about the buna bomber part he was a part of the lsd harvard studies oh was he he was important yeah this was kind of the same uh same deal yeah they cooked that guy's brain yeah yeah there's uh there's a documentary about it it's really interesting he was like a 16 year old kid when he first went to harvard because he was so smart that uh he was entering to harvard at 16 years of age and um there was a psychologist that was working at harvard at the time that he is

78:27he's been photographed with and was friends with and he was a part of this program this guy was notoriously ruthless with his application of lsd yeah to young people i mean he just gave it a shot let's see what it does surprise them forever he does but here's the thing and i've been thinking about this a lot lately i think that he was onto something and this is what he was on to what he was on to he was trying to kill people that were creating technology because he felt like technology is going to be the end of humans he's right he's right yeah totally right he's exactly what he's saying on your show yeah yeah no no if you're high as on acid and they probably gave him a coffee cup full of acid at 16. yeah i mean who knows how much they were they didn't know what the doses were they were just experimenting with people that's like ken casey leary exactly part of that exactly yeah a few

79:14weeks ago when i read an article online and at the bottom it said this article has been written by a program not by a human oh yeah yeah i was like what yeah i think articles paint paintings paintings done by ai it's like a symphony no humans happening in it now well once they figure out a way to make a reality that's indiscernible from the reality that we're currently experiencing which is just it's around the corner yeah that's only like or it happened a billion years ago right and we're just living in it well you only know what's in front of you you know what i mean sure well yeah and if you've done the you know the you know what is it the oculus stuff and all that yeah i mean we have a htc vive in the back it's amazing they're incredible right yeah it's amazing but your emotions everything mm-hmm it's like you're there it's no different yeah you

80:06know it's very similar there's one where you jump off a building have you ever tried that one no you go out on a diving board on a on a high-rise and step off yeah well they're using it to treat ptsd yeah and yeah erecting the phobia yeah it's like yeah it's going to happen yeah so once they figure out a way to give you some experiences that you can't tell whether or not those experiences are real or not then the aliens are feel they'll they'll land and it's the matrix they'll interact it really is the matrix i think that the artificial life and art in in intelligence that is sentient that is also completely autonomous that can run itself and decide for itself it's only a matter of time it's not a matter of the this is not like h.g well science fiction 200 years ago like we're just guessing it's just this is like you could see it coming yeah they already have machine learning

80:59they already have certain artificial intelligence that yeah guesses certain things about you and yeah but siri is still a dumb what's better bixby or siri though i haven't tried bixby but i don't know i like this is samsung's version of series like uh i don't know i never use it yeah it's incredibly effective yeah but it has a terrible voice what does it keep that button too is it the voice map it out to anything else is it the voice of bill bixby because that'd be really cool all right from the hulk yeah um no or courtship investigations how are you doing tell you about my best friend he's a chem chunk of pikachu i never knew those words he's a warm heart and he loves you and yeah and he had that hot japanese lady that was his housekeeper but he never uh hooked up with her i was like come on she's right there bro she seems real nice she seems lonely too yeah you know seeing what's

81:56i didn't get it i'm like how are you not with her man she's so nice to your kid yeah you guys would make a sweet family very long you know maybe he got in like five or six more seasons oh it was on netflix or something yeah they would have pushed that angle yeah i started watching the magician a little bit you seen that what was that show oh oh god what is that was one of the worst of all it was one of the cbs uh movie mysteries it was like with colombo and this was terrible on every level yeah he was the magician he uses magic he solved crimes no magic yeah oh that's hilarious yeah how do you solve crimes with magic you don't you don't you don't you just do magic yeah oh and you pretend you're solving crime and then someone else solves a crime yeah that's probably a producer's idea right hey i gotta like make it guys here's the show a magician who solves crime

82:44sell it yeah i got another meeting i gotta go and he leaves yeah i gotta show it yeah yeah i'm they gave me a pitch once uh it was a guy who was immortal he was uh an egyptian this was a pitch to me i was gonna play this guy who was immortal so far it's good casting yeah god yeah something happened back then and a woman put a curse on me because i was like banging her sister or something like that and uh the curse was that you would live forever so here i was many thousands of years later i had to pretend that i was a regular person and i could never die and that was the sitcom it was a sitcom yes as a sitcom it was a sitcom oh the dumbest idea i've ever heard in my life great is a one-hour day yeah i was i was like do you solve crimes because i know i knew it was going to be a problem when i met the guy and he was wearing bowling shoes but he wasn't going bowling oh those

83:33that means he's massive those look i got bowling shoes my shoes are interesting wait a second i used to do that well do you remember when there was the writer teams but it was always the one guy who was the typer and the other guy was really funny yeah you know there was a lot of those teams and those teams would branch off and one of those guys would get a lot of money and then the you know they were there you got the wrong guy yeah there's a lot of that with the teams the teams always seem to be like one really talented person yeah who's kind of maybe introspective and weird and he eventually figured out oh i can just hire a typist yeah and he got rid of that guy but then that guy got a big development deal right remember development deals oh my god i had so many of them i had one one year where they gave me a ton of money and we never did anything i got free all the money yeah i

84:30had three months i had about four right after a news radio did you yeah yeah and they they with increased smaller and smaller networks each time so yeah where you get down to the cw you know you got an issue like i might have to actually write something cooking channel so what is this obsessing what is your your more recent obsession about ufos what's the origin of this it's well part of it is just the fact that that the evidence just the evidence itself says you have to take this seriously and yet no one does uh or very very few people do i mean even like uh again that f-16 footage that even neil degrasse tyson who is a great skeptic said uh us on one of the late night actually said well if you really want to look at the possibility of some uh non-human intelligence that f-16 stuff is pretty compelling what is the absolute stuff that's the stuff that to the stars

85:25academy put out it was the cia yeah tom delong yeah he's crazy i've never met him on the podcast is he oh yeah very nice guy what do you see he's a very nice guy and a brilliant musician yeah and he's a loon yeah full-on believer i mean he left blink 182 to go do this to the stars academy he's the biggest goddamn rock band on the planet okay here's something interesting about this and this was pointed out like by um okay a film video film by fighter jet shows an unknown object near san diego video from 2004 was released by the us department of defense um while the way it moves there's something about the way it moves is really weird huh could it be a jet though jets can move that way one of the pilots told you media the object was not from this world yeah and here's the things like the skeptics in order to dismiss they have to go well they have to make arguments

86:22like that jet fighters are not better observers than anyone else pull up mick ward's take on that mick ward the guy who uh he runs deep um what is it metabunk metabon runs a debunking site and he's another one of those guys that is all in with the the conventional explanation like yeah goes way out of his way to not look at anything that could be which is the opposite of walker's razor yes yes razor says you know that if you have to go to great lengths to dismiss something right that's not following occam's razor right right occam's razor says if the jet pilot says he saw this he saw it i think he had an interesting take on it though one of the things is there's a time during the video where the pilot shifted from 1x to 2x which makes the image uh move more because you're you have magnification like have you ever used magnifying glasses or binos like if you

87:18use uh 15x binos it's very difficult to hold on the subject yeah but six six you can kind of look at things in distance yeah but that's if you don't have about about three million dollars worth of stabilization equipment on your jet locked onto this object right which is why that stays in lock he had an explanation though that was kind of interesting and when it breaks free of the lock how does it that's unbelievable does it just take off or something like that it just at one point just the object just breaks free the lock and that's almost impossible hmm i have a question it's impossible for anything that man why is this to do with the quality of cameras today why is this footage so shitty uh this is infrared conspiracy theories using fact logic and respect so what is he saying what is he saying uh the program make that a little larger for my stupid eyes

88:21i said uh for all you make sure you are talking about the right video there's two that are confused here we're talking about the gimbal video which is not from the nimitz incident just discussed here so scroll down a little bit uh the gimbal video is in okay yeah that's the one we're looking at it's an unknown date and location from an up from unknown pilots nope the tick tock one some stuff pilots yeah that's 2004. okay that's david fervor the media has discussed these videos tom belongs to the stars the link contains the frames what's he saying keep going keep going keep going uh the black shaper on the object some kind of infrared flare glare we know the shape of a very bright infrared source like the engine of a plane can be much bigger than the object itself is explained here okay so there's like a flare mm-hmm that doesn't explain the movement yeah

89:13doesn't explain the movement it doesn't explain again occam's razor yeah is okay so this guy this guy's saying it's look at it it looks nothing like it um well even if it is a jet a jet's not capable of breaking free from the lock right yeah and if you look at that you can see the jet his own example debunks his debunking right need not be moving yeah the video need not be moving and it's also the assumption that that this guy doing probably a few hours research has come up with something that is more credible than a trained fighter pilot who is there and visually seeing it what do you think about tracking it if you had a guess i don't know let's get crazy oh i would i think it is it is an intelligent craft is the craft being piloted intelligently why aren't they talking to us um we're apes why would you yeah just go and talk to us when you look at it

90:08when you look yeah i forgot you're right leaving plastic straws everywhere oh we cured it no more plastic straws when you're when you're a kid looking at a an ant colony you didn't go listen to me ants yes you just looked at them you know there was no you know and they said why why don't they go to the white house and say well why would do you when you look at an aunt colin you go i must speak to the queen right you know yes no i've always said you just look at ants yeah that's what the most ridiculous thing about like um the old movies like the old movies that would land on the white house lawn right you know like right yeah like uh what what is it still that's it yeah yeah that's the uh yeah the earth's just still like is that 1940 or something 50 50 50 55 great great movie i watched it really recently because it's a christmas terrible i love christmas parables a little bit my

91:05stories are great he was a christ's parent well his name was john carpenter oh that's oh that's right christ was a carpenter don't they shoot that object out of his hand the first second he pulls it out remember he has a thing that's gonna cure cancer yeah they shoot him they shoot him and they just shoot it out of his hand immediately and then at the end of the movie he is uh he is killed and resurrected that's right right yeah they shoot he's taken by the yeah the robot sir yeah i love that robot yeah very tall yeah yeah and like he looked like you would want a robot to look in 1950 yes yes all metal and smooth yeah chrome yeah those those were the days we thought that they would communicate like wasn't there a whole rash of them that were seen over washington dc yeah there was appear yeah there was dozens yeah dozens of ufos tracked and admitted by the government that they

91:58were tracking them and watching them but they uh essentially and then the end their explanation was nothing nothing particularly important you know we have a mutual friend who claims i won't say her name but she i wrote her off as a lunatic when i first started yeah well she was claimed to be abducted yeah and then i i was doing a show with her years ago and she's telling us the story we're all like uh-huh that's pretty funny and she says and then they took a scoop out of my back and i'm like a scoop they took a scoop out of your back and she showed on her back shoulder there was a hexagonal diamond-shaped scoop out of her back uh a divot that it was hexagonal yeah that was clearly clearly and no scar tissue maybe she's a crazy no scar tissue i know how to make this stick yeah give myself a little punch but i had a whole punch back there i worked at a bookstore at the time

92:53years ago when i went into the alien section it was the world's biggest bookstore in toronto it was the name of it and of course i went to the alien section and just looked all this crap up immediately and there are other people yeah with the scoop there's a lot of other people with you know abduction stories and some of them have like little pieces of something in their body i remember you talking to me about this many many years ago i was like oh dave's interested it was like implants you were talking about people that have alien implants in your body yeah and that's the things i to me it's just i i guess the thing that i'm kind of obsessed with now is just the because we're comedians yes and the power of ridicule uh to silence debate is unbelievably potent sure and we're part of that we're part of the machinery that was used very very consciously by the government to silence

93:44yeah any inquiry you know it was like you know feeding it you know feeding the story the right way to late night talk show hosts made it so that nobody would talk about it so do you think that the government consciously fed those ideas like johnny carson and those folks yeah i think there's documentation of a pro you know of that they you know to uh to make the ufo phenomena ridiculous do you think they did that to avoid mass hysteria like if you're you're the government and you know there's nothing out there but you see these people freaking out you go okay look we've looked we've used all of our military might all of our scientific power and we we don't see i'm not buying this but these people are freaking out this has the real potential to get out of hand and go sideways on us let's just start making fun of this yeah i don't know because uh i think

94:31it's more likely that there's something there that they feel powerless to control do you think kennedy was taken down into the uh basement of whatever and shown the alien sitting there this is what i would say about aliens with when in regards to trump if there's anybody that would tell us it's himself he tweeted it tweeted me he would tweet it he would tweet it looking on aliens ufos are real but cnn is fake yeah yeah if the government does have the evidence they are never going to show it to trump right that's the problem like what the the point being president if you can't find out about ufos yeah if i knew that to become president meant you get all the access to ufos i might go yeah yeah okay it's so very cool for that the presidents who have tried haven't gotten there no no one gets it like jimmy carter jimmy carter you know said he was he's he had a ufo experience

95:31yeah he saw something right yeah he saw he said he saw something but see that was back in the 70s where everybody was seeing they were all talking about things it was part of the zeitgeist people were legit like after close encounters of the third kind especially people were legitimately thinking that aliens were going to come and he he proposed such a possible scenario and that movie was so good yeah it wasn't anything you expected it was going to be but like here i was going to say here like another example is like the random like like that explanation of the f-16s locked you know footage uh like randall's from forest where the the they claimed that these american soldiers in the woods out in england uh mistook the light a lighthouse light for a spacecraft that they were within 20 feet of a craft that they saw and took notes on drawings of yeah they were not even like right up

96:27against it and they you know wrote down notes saw like different sort of hieroglyphs on the ship itself described it's you know described the feel of it this electrostatic feel of being around it and the official explanation was they mistook a lighthouse several miles away for this spacecraft so occam's razer again says that's hard to believe that these trained observers that's the other thing they always try to dismiss the idea that trained observers are better observers um but they are better observers sure in the age of yeah today where everyone has a high camera yeah in their pocket but have you taken a have you taken a photograph of the moon on your on your phone it comes out it doesn't look like the moon that's true yeah right there's no details it comes out as a blur the lenses are too wide but but occam's razor says all right they saw something

97:21but this you know because what is the likelihood that trained observers who have been on this base for years on this night would mistake a lighthouse that they've seen every night for the entire time they've been on this base for a ufo i mean what is the the likelihood that that explanation is correct i'm not aware of that story oh randall's room forest yeah how do you say it bent woods randall shum and r-e-n-d-l-e-s randall's from forest yeah it was bandwidths it was too nice sounds like a character actor on colombo where uf where there was you have enough and it's a nuclear installation and rendering forest the nuclear installations are always ripe with ufo stuff yes yeah yeah um what year was this uh this was in the 80s 1980 yeah hmm interesting and it's you know and i said obviously the obvious explanation is not the explanation the only thing you can

98:14accept is that these observers saw something right and described it accurately is it something that had crashed if you want to say that no it came down was was uh landed in the forest and then and took off what do you think of the rossignol case the night before that roswell i i think it's probably true real you're all in yeah wow dave i never knew that about you but i mean because it's interesting again because because the cover stories for are so much less believable than an alien yeah i used to have a joke about it yeah that they put on the paper that they have recovered a crashed ufo and alien bodies and the next day they said up we made a mistake it was just a balloon well what about the body yeah what about the aliens balloon yeah those are mexicans yeah they're mexicans they were drinking and apparently they thought the balloon was a pinata they got a little crazy yeah i'm

99:01believing you right now but uh we just invented some new stuff yeah out of nowhere and then 30 years later they go oh we were they were high altitude uh dummies that we were dropping that's right to test how they would fall and now we have lasers and invisibility cloaks well they they showed up again the next day with uh a bunch of weather balloon scraps and they're like look this is yeah the guy holding it up what they don't tell you is that they flew the wreckage out to wright patterson air force in two separate planes and that truman met them there yeah yeah yeah so i mean again the more rational two separate planes yeah because they were worried that one would crash the weather the weather balloon thing is not as irrational as something weird happened uh listen i want it to be an alien so bad i question myself so that's my problem i wanted all that stuff but again i won't

99:52like i'll be skeptical about stuff that just seems crazy or people that you know believe you know sort of describe some sort of metaphysical explanation for all this uh my my thing is just well if the preponderance of the evidence says something happened right but doesn't tell you what happened right then you still have to believe something happened not knowing what happened isn't evidence that it didn't happen and yet you're still a flat earther yeah have you looked outside it seems flat yeah have you studied hashtag face space is fake uh no you've just looked into people dumber space is the people there's people that are so dumb they think the earth is flat and there's people that that are so dumb they make fun of the people that are dumber than them yeah yeah they think that that space is fake space is fake there's no space no space and it's basically what isn't

100:45that well that's the holographic theory yeah when you google it it's really religious it's uh it's all about the firmament and the bible and they exist they're really it's very strange because the stars are hung in the sky over earth what you would call like yes and youtube people here it is wow that's incredible human explorer oh ocean people haven't got the title i understand i have to pee sometimes um yeah hashtag space is fake human dug earth yeah human explorer ocean suddenly they can discover a thousand miles really well written though yeah super super computer suddenly they can discover a thousand miles i wonder how many of those i was talking about rene de resta who's the woman who studies all these russian troll farms so they're they're mocking i wonder how much of that is them that the russians like the south side flat earth uh space's fake department where they just

101:42mock because it's always in english i don't think there's a lot of flat earth russian proponents god if i was one of those russian guys that i would want that to be my department yeah just oh they call people globetards what or globe heads yeah if you believe it's a round yeah yeah i've saved some of these memes because they're so wonderful they're just like this is just rich i had the worst uber ride with a guy no who was uh a flat earther yeah he was and he was a computer programmer what yeah a computer programmer slash flat arthur yeah and that's why he's driving an uber and not working smiled the whole time while he while he drove me crazy he drove me he knew what he was doing i think he's doing on purpose yeah i think so so how did he start off so i bet you're one of those guys that believes the earth's round huh well i talked about the beautiful view from the plane they

102:37picked me up at the airport yeah and and you know it's so beautiful the sunset over the curvature of the earth that's how it started and it goes well not really the curvature of the earth that's how it started and he would not stop oh my god to the point where i was i think i think i tore my clothes off he made me so insane there's so many of them now and you know we we uncovered the origins of it or what we think the origins of it it was a troll from 4chan 4chan was around they started promoting this idea that the earth is actually that's where it started a lot of things start from that that's where the free bleeding movement started from i don't know what that is women are expressing their power by not controlling their menstrual cycle with pads or tampons just bleeding into their pants to show their power yeah they they did it on 4chan as a joke and the women started doing it in real

103:31life for real yeah they thought it was like this is a way to like these people were disgusted by menstrual blood here's something for you yeah on the patriarchy by showing your blood so crazy that's crazy it makes me want to start one oh 4chan is the best they just they're so good at that they're so good at starting these goofy ass little movements and then getting people behind it that's like a it's like a game yeah yeah it's a game well it's you know what it is it's probably a bunch of really smart people right um some of them not so smart but some of them really smart that are stuck at their desks and they're bored of with some computer job somewhere and can i think of in the meantime they just decide to with people right we're talking about uh flat earthers and um free bleeding the free bleeding movement which is also started by 4chan yeah 4chan started this

104:22movement where women would express their power by not controlling their menstrual cycle by just letting the blood leak out into their pants and they did it as a joke yeah the 4chan did then women started actually doing it caught on yeah yeah a lot of these things it's so hard to mock like it's so so hard to figure out like what is mockery and what's real exactly what is parody and what's what's wrong everything's blurred what's the onion the onion is you know have you do you know that james lindsey uh peter burgosian what's the other woman's name the one one that we didn't mean the grievance studies hoaxes do you know about them pagosian is a professor at university of portland and um i think that's the school he's in portland um and he decided to with these other academics publish these fake papers on like um uh rape and dog parks and like uh like like uh cis-normative like

105:24different like to see what happened no people loved them um ridiculous things like fat bodybuilding like bodybuilding con contest for fat people like to talk about the important with the importance of these things like things that you would read and you would think would be obviously a parody someone's around they submit these these academic journals not only get published but they get praised for for their scholarship mm-hmm and then they came out and said hey we were with you guys this is all late yeah it's out there and you know and you guys love these papers you morons and that this is problem part of the problem with the humanities today is that things are so sideways in terms of like it's so difficult to find out what's what's parity and what's reality yeah it's insane it's an insane time it is insane as it gets yeah yeah yeah i guess it's very unsettling

106:18to not know if someone's having me on or not exactly yeah and with this very all the structures that used that for good or for bad would filter things down are gone yeah you know like we you know everything was handed over to powerful people who filtered what we were given to know there used to be a an agreement of common sense that used to hang around i think the cure is the mind reading and i think we're going to accept that cure because you know elon is working on some sort of neural link things the only way we'll know if someone's telling the truth we're going to have yeah i think it's good we're going to accept it and we're going to give in and we're going to we're we're going to be able to i i'll take it another step further i think they're going to create a universal language i've been thinking about this a lot i think there's going to be a universal language that probably

107:05is uh augmented reality some augmented reality language of shapes or some kind of symbolism symbols yeah something that we agree to and we're we're probably not going to accept it because we're old we're like this next generation our kids maybe even our kids kids our kids kids are going to be the first people to adopt it and then it's going to be universal worldwide and with augmented reality and some sort of ability to interact with each other yeah through i kind of bandwidth i remember the first time i heard about cochlear implants that's the first thing that popped in my head is this is the start yeah this is the first interface you're now officially a you're a cyborg if you have a cochlear implant you are a cyborg okay there's a six million dollars people with apple watches on yeah you know you're wearing an apple watch like what do you what do you what is that you

107:50have a computer that's constantly strapped to you all the time measuring you monitoring your heart rate yeah you know and then we've been sitting here and uh when we don't know something accessing the entire store of human knowledge jamie's our cyborg yeah yeah yeah we're accessing all of human knowledge that's true anytime we want that was elon's other thing that he said on the podcast you're already a cyborg you have a phone it's just it's not in your body but it's something you're holding on to yeah it's voluntary cyborgs did you guys read the third wave years ago was that a book you ever got no no that was the prediction of all this really yeah and it's in the early 80s and it was a prediction and the one thing uh third wave predicted was that the next generation the first line in it i remember was it's all about information yeah it's all going going to be about sharing

108:38information yeah well that's someone's going to figure out a way to share information well that's when i saw the cochlear implant i thought well if you're all right so your your brain is interpreting an electronic signal as information directly it's bypassing the ear entirely right and it's just a neuronal connection and i thought well that eventually is how we will access the internet we'll access the internet as though it is our own thoughts it'll be as easily as i remember your name i will remember any other fact that it is the matrix and we'll all be part of the same yeah we won't be sitting in pods somewhere well i think it'll speak for yourself it initially would be like a peripheral thing you'd be able to tap into it or not as you as you wish but i think as time goes on it's going to be more and more integrated you like distinguish it from your own mind like you used to have

109:26to go to a computer that was hardwired into the wall right and you'd have to dial up to get online yeah now everything's instantaneous it's in your phone and this isn't i remember when we were on news radio i first got an apple computer and got online and i was fascinated i couldn't believe it too compuserve yeah that's how we got to bring it all around the first thing i did was download ufo reports i was downloading ufo like a dork like all these things yeah i remember we did the first chat with somebody i remember in 1993 yeah wow and it was because yeah 95 office computer first time i had an uh news radio was the first time i had an email account i remember that and getting on online i know and i mean at first i think i went to the louvres site sure to see what was on there and you know watched you know hieronymus bosch paintings downloaded in about 30 minutes

110:16and then that was i was like it's like a louvre why remember you had a program on your laptop this was like 96. you had a program on your laptop that kept crashing but when it worked it was amazing because it would give you the news yes it's a screensaver yes as a screensaver the news would just come up yeah constantly the constant flow of news from very cutting edge with technology and i wish that still existed it doesn't exist anymore i don't even think it was wi-fi i think you know again i had i had an isdn line in my house oh wow i remember which gave me 128 kilobits per second years ahead of everybody i knew yeah with all your tech yeah i had a t1 line installed in my house yeah yeah i remember it like i was like i need those the only i lived in the woods it was the only way i could get like really high-speed internet access they had to carve a hole

111:09in the ground and give me a business pipe amazing now five g's around the corner man five teams gonna change everything five g's fast they say it's gonna be hundreds of times to a fiber optic link yeah on your phone yeah i think cds are those are gone now forever just in case yeah yeah well the real question is like where are we storing all this stuff if we're only storing it in one zero it's like we're talking about the demise of civilization right but that's what that's what probably i mean every society probably i don't think they reached that 10 000 years ago but i think every society probably reaches some point where everything is just ones and zeros on a database somewhere but it still crashes but it's a physical place right where this stuff exists well some things like all our email accounts exist somewhere there's huge buildings with internet exchanges

112:03sure you know what if someone just drops a you know no no that's the absolutely the case but also if something happens and the grid goes down and we i mean if we're a hit right if uh man what dr robert shock was talking about if there's a lightning storm that he really torches buildings and starts everything on fire good luck accessing all that not only that if if human beings just skip a generation like we have a generation of turmoil and chaos and and then we slowly rebuild civilization how many of those people are going to understand computer code how many of these people can understand linux how many of these people that are coming up without any education from a formal university no internet connection whatsoever for decades perhaps hundreds of years it's like the resetting of civilization you talked about earlier exactly we start all over again and

112:50that's when the aliens come because they know we can't right do anything but draw on the time yeah they wait until we can't take pictures anymore and then they come back and re-engineer yeah right now they're just you know relying on the fact that nobody can frame a shot well um the weirder thing about the alien theory was that they came down and genetically manipulated lower hominids yeah that's the human species that's the weirder one yeah or that they are they are a later evolved version of us coming back to check on us right right right yeah and that's the other thing too is about that archetypal image of the uh alien with the big head with the big black eyes is that if you go you go down from australia pithicus to home modern homo sapien if you make this connect you see this hunched over very hairy almost chimp like humanoid and then standing up

113:46but but losing all of its hair and the head is much larger doubling of the human brain size over a period of two million years yeah but where's that going is that gonna keep going well if it keeps going this is what you're gonna get you're gonna get a female thing yeah yeah feeble thing with a giant head and that's what these aliens are they're always feeble with giant heads that's true yeah terrible uh and if they left like they've been living off earth for a long time yeah then yeah your body's you know they're very out of shape well they also have no penises or vaginas so the the future they realize that saves a lot of time yes that gives you time to get stuff done i'm already there and it's more of a meritocracy you know you're not banging people based on their tits and ass yeah yeah you don't have that anymore there's no more of that you just more wasted

114:28time yeah just sharing your thoughts transparently through the air no worms you don't need an orb like in the yeah movie yeah you don't even need to pick things up anymore everything's telekinetic right now using that giant head to move around never have to leave your house that was the other like your pod there's a guy that worked supposedly well he i don't know if he really worked at area 51 but the the the the whole story was yeah yeah it's a good documentary is it yeah yeah it's it's one of those again where you where you it's just dealing with him as an individual you go okay this guy isn't you know he isn't the the fire brand ufo believer that some people want him to be and he's not the lunatic that other people want him to be but he didn't tell the truth about his education right isn't that the case isn't there some some finagling about yeah well definitely like the records of his

115:20education if they if he was telling the truth those records aren't around anymore right yeah so if he was telling the truth somebody expunged and yeah and he's and he's basically his argument is well if i didn't have this education why was i hired to do this job right you know i mean i was hired to do this research by the government and and they have the records of me doing the research so why did they let me do this research for all these years if i didn't have the education to do it but wouldn't there be someone who went to school with them like don't you you have friends from high school right well not many well i i do i have some friends they can go yeah fifth grade english with you bro yeah i got a couple wasn't there a guy who went to college with bob lazar i could say yeah yeah physics 101. he's out there yeah i think there aren't people yeah yeah that

116:07remember him oh cool so you you enjoyed the documentary do you remember what the name of it is uh what oh god what is it called bob lazar the guy who uh it's a new it's yeah somebody emailed me about that that's it and the guy i made that's a real problem like ufo even this one is a fairly rational documentary but it's uh but they're so bad even this one is just it's just got just bad filmmaking right you know bob lazar area 51 and flying saucers yeah that's very strange yeah 4.1 that's it uh jeremy korbel yeah i think he's the gentleman yeah and it's great accepted but it has like mickey rourke doing voice over weird poetic voiceovers perfect at some point i love it as the wrestler fly yeah doing it as bukowski that would be fine it's got 20 on rotten tomatoes but it's come over here with your ufo but i mean you've seen uh you've seen the um um i know what i saw and out of the blue

117:08those documentaries no you haven't seen them because those are great are they out of the blue is a great serious documentary about the ufo phenomena and and i know what i saw is once sort of tracing the uh the participants in the uh the disclosure hearings at the press club in washington god you're gonna bring me back into this yeah i love them man i really wish they're real but i'm telling you my experience talking to these people when i did that sci-fi show i was like yeah this is all nonsense yeah but again that maybe those people were yeah nonsense but the trained military the uh air traffic controllers the pilots yeah um government officials like uh what's his name thief uh the guy the governor of arizona is one of the guys in i know what i saw and out of the blue oh yeah he was the guy that was told to like mock it yeah so they brought in a guy dressed like yeah

118:03you know in these documents he talks about how much he deeply regrets doing that and this is from out of the blue yeah really interesting deeply maybe now he's not a governor anymore he's trying to get a new angle in his career but he basically said you know what tens of thousands of people saw these craft right and we lied we came out we lied hmm and so he did he say who directed him to lying uh he didn't really he didn't say he was really directed to do he said he felt like people were in a state of panic and he thought he could relieve some of the fear by making a joke of it and he said he really regret he really just wanted to make relaxed people because he didn't he didn't know what else to do he said he didn't he said i saw it everyone else saw it and uh i didn't know how to calm people down so i made this joke and he said he regrets it you know to this day there's

118:49another thing about these ufo experiences and alien experiences where people really dive into them there seems to be the ac the atheists version of religion to a lot of these folks yeah yeah which again i that i dismiss you know yeah i don't think that's likely to be the case that they're here to save us or they're not con no i don't know i mean that i mean the people that are believers that are really into it it seems to be that that instead of focusing on a deity they're focusing on an advanced civilization transferring it to them that's something yeah it's it's something something will save us yeah that when we decide to point those nuclear weapons at each other and you know it's going to come down they'll come down at the last minute talk to russia and trump and make everything good well it's not right yeah yeah so but where were they during hiroshima and nagasaki yeah

119:44watching well everybody deserves a lunch break yeah but i said i don't think whoever whatever is going on it's it's not an intervention well you know right afterwards uh right afterwards was when a giant swarm of ufo sightings happened yeah right after the nuclear bombs were dropped yeah that's when the there's a big uptick in ufo sightings yeah and a lot of the yeah and as you said a lot of the incidents are at nuclear uh missile sites i think they're going for fuel or something like that well they've they've uh i mean there's the one in arizona somewhere they were ufos showed up and shut down the entire launch system that all the missiles went offline at the same time and it's you know and it's documented and it's in the records of the time but all of the missiles went offline you don't seem like you're buying this i i'm i am literally right in the middle

120:37that's where i live on this thing is i really don't know i'm uh not quite in the middle i'm in the i desperately want it to be real yeah but i don't feel it's not i'm still i'm i'm calling yeah yes i guess i'm edging but my desire my desire is towards real i want it to be a reality when john landis came out as a bigfoot that bothered me did he really yeah he came out as a bigfoot believer no he came out as a guy in the suit oh oh well yeah remember that no that's just a lie when did you do that it was about five or six from harry and the hendersons that suit no this is him and his college friends they made they're the bigfoot in the in the famous video no that's bob no that's bob haronimus no no there's a video of bob bob hieronymus was friends with the see that that story that bigfoot story is a real problem because that's the robert the patterson film

121:31patterson was a con man who went to jail for writing a bad check that paid for the very camera he used to film bigfoot he went out looking to film bigfoot yeah they had a suit i mean he was trying to get a suit they got a guy bob haranos he's a big tall guy who walks like bigfoot there's a video yes the patterson footage if there's a bit video that superimposes bob hieronimus walking on one side and bigfoot on the other side they this is it's the guy it's him and by the way bigfoot looks like a guy in a bigfoot suit there's not a animal on the planet that looks like a person in an animal suit you never look at a swan and go hey it looks like a person in a swamp suit no things that like if you see a gorilla it does not look like a person in a gorilla suit right now the hips are in the difference everything is totally uh the anatomy is different that's the same with this

122:24stupid footage it's so dumb that the people that buy into that and believe it it's like come on just look at it that's what i'm saying it was always it was always see if you can find that footage yeah bob hieronymus right next to the bob hieronymous as bigfoot i mean there's a there's a video on youtube where they show the stabilized image of this animal moving across the i know by the way i've been to that area where they saw that thing yeah that's really interesting because was it on your show that yet but there are still like people like anthropologists who will still say that you know that there's clear evidence that the bone structure of this bigfoot concentration doesn't match humans there's a single thing that they're how can it survive i mean that's not a single thing yeah there has to be community the compelling interesting aspect of bigfoot is that there was an animal called

123:15gigantopithecus that existed yeah as recently as a hundred thousand years ago and they found teeth in the 1920s in an apothecary shop in china that were an unknown hominid and then they were like where'd you get these and then they found the area where they found them and they started discovering more and they found some jawbone fragments and some various bones you see this look at this look at that guy oh my god i mean get the that's amazing that's the guy that's amazing that's him and he admits yes oh my god that's the same he admits it again he talked to him it's him he talked about it he said to him he told the story they said all right ready go start body shape exactly so put that guy in a big old stupid furry suit and you have bigfoot that's great it's 100 him um so does that mean there's not one out there no so gigantopethicus was a real animal they think was a bipedal hominid

124:11that lived somewhere around 100 000 years ago for sure but most likely coincide lived alongside human beings for eons right and this thing was an 8 to 10 foot tall and nor see see if you get an image of um the photo of a recreation of a gicantopithecus next to a modern human being it's really interesting it was huge a huge bipedal fossil record of it and it's a real thing yeah yeah i mean it makes sense like if a gorilla this gorilla's like 500 pounds i mean gorillas are considered mythical creatures until like 1890s um scroll up jamie there's a better image right above you or was it even the 1900s those grills were first just like officially discovered there's so there's a better one where that shows a man with the the fake bigfoot wrapped around is um keeps growing there's uh that that that's a good one yeah there it is that's the guy that's the guy so that's what that thing looked

125:10like yeah so if you saw that in the woods you'd be like holy oh yeah eight foot tall gigantic hairy uh ape creature i wouldn't touch it like that guy's touching no he's a fan right now that's his buddy it's like when you see dudes from russia with bears but so that's a real animal so that's probably why there's so many mythological stories about this thing and the native americans have more than a hundred different names for these creatures similar to those fish they find that they thought was extinct for 100 years yeah yeah armored plated fish right yeah i mean there's there's a lot of animals i mean that's cryptozoology in a nutshell there's a lot of animals that we think are extinct that probably aren't but that one is a very unlikely one because it's you know it needed enormous support food yeah i mean it's a huge huge animal yeah but the thing about it

126:04is that the sightings occur all in the pacific northwest which if you follow the bearing land mass that's where they would have come across if they came across with humans they would have come across into alaska where there's a lot of sightings and down into the pacific northwest where there's a lot of sightings yeah but there's sightings all over the country now yeah but is there any fossil record outside of africa specifically no no there's not no there's not yeah yeah it's all it's uh asia actually asia is where they find them yeah it's not even africa ironically yeah that's because asians are tiny yeah oh right tiny people well it's not a person not this one it's um it's it's compelling in the sense that there was a bunch of different kinds of hominids that existed yeah you know and then we only now know that we we interbred with neanderthal yeah yeah yeah that's most of us have

126:55neanderthal dna in us yeah well most white folks which is interesting right because it was it was the opposite if it was uh black people had it it would be a really controversial subject you know but instead it's dumb white people like me i have 57 more neanderthal dna than the average person you know what i'm not going to argue that yeah i mean either i was like i knew it i'm pretty sure i'm pretty sure my neanderthal count is low you'd be surprised explains the club you carry around i got rid of that bro oh but it's a european thing a lot of europeans you know in a breadwinner way longer run than we ever have they well they colonized europe yeah waiting for uh they were around for 500 000 years unchanged i mean homo sapiens have only been around no i think at all 300 000 years and our ego sort of says oh we usurped and we we we drove them into extinction yeah and in fact no we just

127:47mated them into the extinction and them to death just dissolved it yeah we just just diluted it yeah until it was gone yeah we ruined their purity right we probably drugged them and neutered them yeah probably once we figured out how to do that ah which is early you know about that uh hobbit person thing that they found the island of florence yeah that's another one that they didn't know until it's free floriensis i think is the name of it it's a tiny little person-like thing it was like three feet tall yeah and had large feet why are you guys looking at me not bro no just we all have our own genetics yeah that that was a real thing that existed as recently as yeah that image that's what they look like and that that existed yeah homo florence's that's it um and they existed as recently as 14 000 years ago they found yeah yeah yeah they co-existed they

128:42coexisted with modern humans yeah and they think modern humans might have wiped them out because they were probably they think there's some cannibal not cannibalism but they prayed upon our children and stuff like that they ate us they ate us yeah they were eating us well there was one of those one of the things that i read the speculation was that they might have uh there might have been an issue with them like invading and trying to see you know like chimps have stolen babies and eaten them yeah it's a really common thing actually babies are delicious well that's why people like lamb unfortunately you know reveal yeah well exactly yeah well that was there was a company that that produced a a vegan version of human flesh just trying to sell to people in papua new guinea that's disgusting where do i get this we're no longer allowed to eat human flowers that's hilarious that's awful i

129:34read this thing about uh people in new guinea that were cannibals and they were talking to them after world war ii and they were trying to figure out how the europeans once they found out how many people were killed during world war ii they were trying to figure out how the europeans managed to eat that much meat yeah and then they told them no they don't eat the people they kill and they were horrified yeah they were like waste you waste all that all the people you kill in battle yeah yeah wow yeah that yeah would be hor yeah yeah that's a waste and then they believe they absorbed the noble qualities of their enemy only the good spots yeah wow eating certain spots you don't eat yeah some if if you're if you killed someone in battle who you thought was truly uh a great warrior well that's what brings you back to the whole ufo thing that makes it so compelling to me is that we have really

130:23serious protocols for dealing with uncontacted tribes we we don't engage with uncontacted tribes and we find i mean we almost universally agree i mean loggers do in the amazon and mean people but the the idea in the scientific communities we should leave these people alone and so when they find these uncontacted tribes whether it's north sentinel island where that missionary was killed recently or yeah the amazon when they're you know going through these jungles and finding these small bands of people they overwhelmingly everybody wants to back off and leave them alone yeah and they are so close to us i mean they're human beings they're homo sapiens they have tools they have civilization they have law they have all these different things they live in these communities they're us yeah and we back off imagine what aliens imagine with aliens right would do i mean just

131:10imagine yeah that's true that's their conscience what is this jamie because they don't want to scream the human flesh alternative the healthy human flesh alternative that's it yeah yeah yeah that's not real though there's a hoax from like 4chan yeah another one yeah one hoofu burger please i'll have a buffoo burger deep fried hoofu burger yum once you see tofu processed you're like oh this is going back to me this is is this really good for you like what this is so processed it's so slow it's like reduced to nothingness and then formed again can i just eat soybeans like what the is this yeah what you can do yeah that's the way to go i think so don't eat tofu why do i have to roast taste like a toothpaste tube well it tastes like nothing yeah it's like it's weird yeah it's a weird choice yeah i can't i can't yeah i can't stand anything made from tofu but i think that

132:06if aliens did see us they're they would probably take a hands-off approach if we weren't totally ruining everything like if we didn't have some anti-matter yeah some black hole weapon that we're just gonna just nuke on new mexico just to see how it works happen and they if they saw if they saw that it was gonna burn a hole through the planet and kill everything on they might step in maybe for a second well there was the three before they launched cern uh it would create a particle that would devour the fabric of the universe yeah that was a black hole that would expand and expand and expand and maybe did what we did god man maybe we restarted yeah you know maybe we're in a parallel universe um maybe we were knocked off our timeline into another place yeah it makes less sense yeah was it was the thing that was going around the internet a little while ago that the evidence of

133:02multiple universes that we pop in and out of different realities right like the fact that we it's a multiverse like the ford logo let's say do you remember you recognized this part of the ford logo and they said most people never noticed it there's a weird little squiggle in the f really yeah the fedex thing blows people's minds too what's that it's the arrow what arrow exactly bring up fedex if you never if you you'll never not see the arrow again yeah same thing with the ford logo it's like this yeah i don't know so it's all perceptions it's like it's in there the whole time and i didn't i didn't know there was an arrow there yeah other people will insist that oh the fedex arrow is really oh interesting okay but that's an accidental arrow no you think so they designed it in there they did it where's the arrow they definitely designed it right oh yeah right there

133:54the white part yeah oh yeah you'll never see it again or never not see it again i know it's funny huh but i mean that could be like that foreign that means it actually spells fjord yeah or fool or sword is that an eye what is it why would they squiggle it why did they do that oh it's not they didn't used to do that in retrospect so was there always a squiggle when did what is that is that a real ford that little thing when did they make the squiggle okay that's normal because that's what i thought the ford thing looked like yeah some until i saw this maybe in the future did they stop the squiggle at some point they must have or the opposite maybe they add the squiggle dave you can't bring up the squiggle without something behind the research what's a modern ford go to uh you put 2019 ford mustang let's see that let's see if they have the squad here's the squiggle i now

135:07it does so maybe something wanted to justify his existence by ruining their their power yeah um look at that let's see i mean logos do change that is the squiggle that's the squiggle yeah yeah that's a new mustang so the squiggle is a current yeah yep the squiggle's current it really doesn't fit no it looks stupid yeah it would look better without that stupid squirrel totally the only thing that's saving that squiggle is that no one noticed it up until now oh great now i'm never not gonna notice this thank you mandela effect i hate mandela effect but that just seems like people with something that's not broken yeah right yeah um it's like let's just change it up right remember when they came up with a new coke yeah it was a like a riot yeah they had a riot on their evidence of a parallel universe that's just a stupid idea this ruined coke yeah the coke's made with real

135:58cocaine the original coke yeah no today today yes well i thought they i thought they replaced it with caffeine no they used coca leaves back in the things for flavor yes in fact the company dude it's crazy the company that makes the coke the the company that uses the coca leaves that brings in the cocoa cochlears to make coca-cola is the number one creator of medical grade cocaine they use that coca leaf to also make medical grade cocaine there's no cocaine in coca-cola but there is a flavor that's a bunch of different ford logos yeah over the years the eye districts i drink diet coke which is just 27 1927 2003 all of them huh i like the one in 1903 that's actually pretty dope um google coke they use coca leaves to make coca-cola they still do they actually do and then the company that does that because it makes cocaine because the the yeah because the recipe for it's a it's

136:59a flavor it's a herbal there's like a lot of herbs that go into coke yes it's a flavor yeah but the diet coke is just chemicals it's all artificial remember i was in school when the new coke thing happened and then see look at this advertising besides producing the cocoa flavor agent for coca-cola the stefan company extracts cocaine from the cocoa leaves which sells it to hmm malin croc a st louis missouri pharmaceutical manufacturer that is the only company in the united states licensed to purify cocaine for medical use medicinal use yeah there you go so they're actually using actual coca leaves so someone i guarantee you if you follow the paperwork there's a bunch of cocaine hanging around executives little residual those guys they get a little bit here chewing leaves at work yeah gives you a little pep me up right that's what's amazing is that you're not

137:46allowed to chew the leaves because apparently chewing the leaves is really healthy yeah you get flavonoids it's actually good for you and it gives you a pickup that's very similar to caffeine yeah i mean that's why yeah people living in the you know those forests have been chewing them yeah amazon rainforest they love chewing chewing those leaves what's this jamie just one of those weird things that pops up when you see uh 90 of their sales are done in the united states but it's an irish tax registered manufacturer that's the irish economic explosion mark trump those weasel moves one of them tax weasel moves yeah taxes that's a bizarre when you find out these giant corporations that make billions of dollars they're all in ireland and they weasel out of taxes yeah oh you know yeah how much does amazon pay because they don't believe in socialism did you

138:34read that how many taxes they paid last year amazon no no zero zero well you know it's nice it exists and you know you get a one click and you have some toilet paper sent to you i'm happy i'm happy to use their product and that's why they need that's why they needed a billion dollars in tax breaks from uh the city of new york how does that work how does that work they could pay zero in taxes zero yeah like why and why did they need those tax breaks in long island maybe that's why they're not gonna pay him anyway like you dummies you let amazon you over like that or maybe maybe that's why they're coming here all their money's in ireland uh yeah ireland's doing great yeah ireland's kicking out cocaine yeah i'm going to ireland yeah aliens got a bank somewhere i'm gonna curl and there's leaves a current there's some sort of a ballot initiative where they're trying to put uh psilocybin

139:28uh in the same medicinal category as they're using as for medical psilocybin for therapy yeah well here's i've been on antidepressants since news radio days and i'm just actually just went off at this month this month how are you feeling good it looks great good yeah i feel very good and like part of it was because i had this head injury a few years ago what happened i had uh well i i i don't know if you remember this i used to drink quite a bit i do remember do you remember that now i uh now i do one night about four years ago uh i went out got really drunk right before christmas and uh wound up i guess at a bar called the must downtown right around the corner from my apartment and i fell down on the patio just fell over like that i would call it a cartoon i would call it a dead fall backwards and land on the back of my head and hit my head on the stone

140:29with enough force that my brain gave me a black eye from the inside of my my head it's called cerebral hemorrhage yeah and i had i had a subdural hematoma i was in the icu for four days kid this bread eye had one of those bright red blood eyes yeah you have pictures of this uh yeah i do somewhere i think on instagram no i guess smoke tap with this that's happening oh jesus ugh it's all right they can they can get inside out of my memory though can you it's like total recall where you can just remove things but chrissy you know chrissy has the photos of all that uh but but the weird thing is and uh and then i decided i was alright well i said all right i gotta quit drinking and i thought this you know it'll be hard but i'll do it and uh and i kept waiting for it to get hard to not drink and it never did like i'm not four years i haven't had a drink in four years uh and it's on heroin yeah

141:19did you do anything nothing no pot no nothing i wish i could i don't like pot i wish i could enjoy it what don't you like about it and it makes me very quiet and paranoid that's my favorite part yeah that's what i like about it but you seem very lucid when you're on pot yeah you seem very and very communicative yeah whereas when i smoke pot i can't put a sentence together oh yeah it makes me friendly yeah it makes me very withdrawn alcohol makes me friendly right but it does that for me too yeah i always say the one thing i miss about drinking is you know the liking people right yeah yeah because this brain injury it never was hard to not drink my urge to drink was gone from getting knocked in the head yeah wow and also i noticed over the couple of years i said i haven't had any depression whoa and so uh just i guess in like november i said i talked to my doctor so i want to go off

142:13the antidepressants and see what happens and uh so i've been like gradually weaned off and just this month took like the last antidepressant about a month ago so how long is the weaning process it's like about three months and no really addictive yes yes and how do you do it when you're weaning it's just gradually reducing the dosage the daily dosage and then doing it every other day and then eventually just it's gone but they have a protocol yeah yeah and so did he discourage you no my doctor was he was excited about it that's great congratulations good good you know i said but you know keep keep in touch and he was a real doctor too right yeah yeah so yeah i guess so he had a thing he had a reflector on his head that's all you know well that means he's gonna talk to you yeah he was like you know and he's like i think he lives in the neighborhood he's always walking around outside

143:01that's him yeah that's a doctor so so we did it and uh and so now i'm about a month i'm about a month in without any antidepressants what what is the difference uh i don't really know yet i mean it's hard you don't feel different age it uh definitely feel more emotional oh uh you know i kept crying at the oscars what parts all of it what you could have had kevin hart hosted more i think i'm more emotional you're more connected yeah and uh you know so we'll see what happens you know hopefully i mean i hopefully i'm part of what i'm saying i hope it will help with writing because i felt like i was having trouble coming up with story ideas yeah you do hug me too long now yes yeah oh i've become a predator well that's what it is yeah but i feel good about it that's the important thing so the only thing is emotions and you feel more creative you feel more in

144:03touch i don't know yet i don't know and i don't even know if i feel i just know i i definitely know that there's a uh there's a heightened emotionalism has it affected your improvisation a little while and it doesn't seem to have i was worried it would i was worried that i would uh be i like i might not be able to go out and do those shows because i'd be more i was worried it might be more moody and you know yeah yeah but it so far hasn't uh affected them um because i went on them and used radio because i couldn't work at one point i got to the point where i just couldn't work anymore and that's when i started going on antidepressants and it saved me you know so i totally believe you know people should get on meds and stay on them you know it definitely helps some people i mean it saved a couple of my friends for sure yeah that were suicidal and just really

144:50didn't know where to turn they got on the right ones and you know they had experiment yeah i don't think i would have made it through the these you know the 2000s really wow you know and you know like we just lost brody stevens just yeah died yeah he got off his meds yeah he um he didn't like the way it felt to be on them and you know it was so that he's so hard that's such a hard one to take because everyone loved that guy and you think that everyone i mean he has no haters i don't know a single person was like that guy was a dick no no no no no no one everyone loved him he hit everybody really hard yeah from close friends to people who just knew him a little bit like i knew him just a little bit he was so sweet but he was so so tortured he was just in pain all the time and yeah it's just it's so strange that you think the thing that people like most is for other people to love

145:43them and care about them and everybody loved brody yeah but yet he couldn't it just couldn't go on but i never i've never known brody to have a relationship i've never known him to have a special someone in his life and i mean that that alone would probably be very very depressing is he well especially if if everyone loves you but you don't feel connected to any of them right like how empty that feels and that's yeah the core of depression yeah but it's also the core of depression i have having had depression yeah one of the things that hits you is that feeling you just can't connect and does it was yours coming about when your first marriage was breaking up i mean i had lifelong depression but i didn't get it treated until that point when i was like you know it was like uh yeah because marriage was breaking up and i had to fly to like africa twice in

146:34a month to see my kids do you remember the time that i protected a reporter from you oh at the tca's yeah he was on malaria medication and drinking which apparently enough was super sweet kind dave was was going to kick someone's ass and i literally had to like hold on to him i kind of want to see that yeah when i hadn't because that was the other thing i just been been flown to africa twice and i just got back we did the tcas and i think i also threw a glass at a blanket tony tony tony tony uh jesus yeah i'm blanking too nice guy sorry dude randall tony jesus i love tony's a great guy but i was like out of my skull and i just yeah yeah well that was it was a reporter i uh you took his report you took his tape recorder and dunked it in his dress oh my god and threatened to kick his ass yeah because i was yeah i was drunk yeah and yeah i was like oh my god did i have to

147:32do something sorry i missed it i was like i have to stop this oh this is crazy i can't step in that's nice yeah well it was after that that that i just went on the antidepressants because i crashed really hard after that and it was like one of the things i thought yeah you were gonna go to work you can't do anything you were experiencing that combination apparently of the malaria medication and alcohol is like a crazy combination yeah and then you add to that jet lag and the trauma of being separated from my kids yeah yeah the malaria pills on their own thank you mentally well the thing is i love her yeah i left harare uh to the sound of my my my eldest child screaming daddy don't go which even now i can't talk about whoo oh god see it's not worth having kids no no it isn't yeah do you have none i have one yep have a 17 year old yes it's good they're on their own now basically in

148:28the year you could just write them off yeah that's right next year he's going to college yeah but anyway if you are out there get on meds and stay on them yeah like brody should have stayed on his meds well you know i just i wish we could have all known how he was and how close he was to that yeah well that's the thing it's like people think like uh like suicide the things that if you're close to suicide it's the most rational choice you'll ever make when you're when you're that close right it just seems like the most sensible way to go this because it's otherwise it's too much pain yeah i heard someone describe it as um it's not even an emotional it's not burning it's jumping out of a burning building yeah yeah it's like there's that choice into the burning building or yeah was that feeling where you go this is not an emotional decision there's no choice

149:20i've had two friends hang themselves this year yeah wow yeah i mean that that is i never thought i would ever say that yeah i never thought that that would be a way that people would be going out either yeah i remember we had drake say there oh yeah oh he was hard yeah that was a hard one i i i knew drake back in the uh essentially my open mic days yeah he was an established comedian in boston and i was just starting out oh yeah but so even though i'm happy that my brain injury yeah seems to have cured my depression that's crazy did you know that a brain injury was responsible for sam kennison oh the car crash right yeah i got hit by a car when he was a kid and became this wild man yeah same thing with roseanne i mean one of the reasons why i wanted to have roseanne on the podcast and talk about her her issue with uh her television show and everything and her

150:14outbursts and all the crazy stuff she says on twitter yeah because i know her and i know her past and so i right away the beginning of the podcast i was like let's get into what happened to you and because i don't think she talked about it that much she was hit by a car she was in a psychiatric war for nine months yeah like she was gone and she was never the same person again was this she was 15 years old she was walking across the street and someone had glare in their eyes from the sun and didn't see her hit her with a car the the hood ornament went into her head i mean she had a severe brain injury she couldn't count anymore she couldn't do math anymore she was she was a very smart student before then and then crippled by it afterwards yeah and then for nine months she was in a psych ward and she talked about it i'm like i wanted people to know like this i don't

151:01think anybody knows that they know now hopefully more than they knew then but people that work with her did so when they were writing her off like jesus christ this is like taking a person with a broken leg and saying you know i'm mad at you that you can't run yeah and that's the thing and like whatever you're i mean obviously roseanne said some crazy and terrible things and and messed up a lot of people's lives but she's also a genius she's a comedic genius yeah she also made that show one of the best shows on tv when it was originally on but she's always done crazy you remember when she grabbed her crotch and spit when she did the national anthem and everybody hated her then they went crazy and this is like yeah early 2000s she did that she was always wild but that was why she was so good as a comment that was her appeal she did not give a unpredictable yeah like just wild and

151:46that is like innocent and it came out of head injuries yeah you know really that's a lot of it was well there was like the famous star of the guy who was i guess working in a mine there was an explosion and a like rebar went through his brain and they said before he was a nice guy and after that he became they said he became evil he was just an evil person yeah after this rebar went through his brain and uh i mean this also happens yeah and the texas school book depository shooter or not wasn't school book depositor yeah yeah the texas tower shooter texas tower shooter had a brain tumor yeah they found that after he died like well this is what it was yeah but you also have people who have suffered brain injuries and come out of it being able to speak french yes yes or play piano piano yes yes i think most people hate photographers probably have a brain injury yes yeah

152:34or people that like suddenly can paint photorealistic paintings yeah yes i've never had any artistic ability before but they have a brain injury yeah and it unlocks that well all i got was sobriety it's amazing though it does happen for real well they don't they can learn it quicker i think i don't think they know it and they don't come out knowing it no i mean well the piano i've heard people like literally could sit down and just knew what to do well there's certain things that happen right if people have certain spectrum issues right where they're far better at mathematics far worse at social interactions there's there's pathways that are more lubed for you to figure things out that aren't as confused by social issues or or social stigmas or just normal human communication yeah and i think smartest people in the history a lot of them are a lot of them a lot of super

153:27geniuses are on the spectrum well einstein didn't speak until he was five so jesus yeah yeah like they thought he was they thought he was he was mentally wow yeah that was back when they used to use that word too that's right yeah now you can get in trouble yeah that's right yeah um when you had the head injury so how much time was it before you felt like did you just stop drinking on the spot yeah it was december 22nd i remember jackie was yeah went to visit you and and remember it was hawaii right they were going off no new york new york i was going to go to go off to new york uh christine alina to new york we're going to go to new york for the holidays for christmas and new year's my wife was like now you're not because you did this you don't get to go to new york with your with your family and they went they went without me but you know but then again chrissy and i woke up in the icu

154:17and christy and alina were there and we celebrated christmas in the icu wow you know and that was a pivotal moment yeah yeah so you just decided on the spot no more drinking yeah and just said all right i'm gonna think i'm done and wow and again i was preparing because i but a few years earlier like it's about maybe eight years earlier i tried quitting drinking you told me about this you were talking to me about pot yeah we were talking about you were like i got to stop drinking how far did you get uh i went a year and a half without drinking i think that's pretty good yeah i hate it i hate it but i hated every minute of it really yeah it was like every every day i thought it would be nice to drink like every day you just hung in there for a few hundred days yeah wow you know pretty good but like this time yeah but even now like i'll still like go oh you know i think

155:08yeah i do miss the taste of scotch you know because he takes you work so hard to learn to like it yeah you know and you really like scotch yeah what are the positive benefits of not drinking of not drinking um you don't hit me that's true but that's only positive for you paul that's true i thought everybody's really affected me oh yeah whatever uh i think the uh not that that i don't do anything to uh unknowingly embarrass my daughter if i'm gonna embarrass my daughter now it's deliberate right you know that yeah that's mostly just just you know remembering things knowing where i was yeah the night before no i don't drink and i embarrass my son every single day just by walking around yeah just being near just just being next to him yeah he's like come on dad do you think you are a genetic alcoholic or is this like a learned thing well it's hard to say because i mean

156:05obviously alcoholism runs in my family but is that just because you know we were raised by a horrible alcoholic do you think it's genetically it's probably not a connection it's probably genetic just uh predisposition to it yeah i think there's genetic connections to almost all behavior yeah yep yeah i don't think you know i'm you know i don't think there's a there's a lot of real free will going right yeah i've come to that more and more as i get older i mean i i battle with it because obviously there are conscious choices you can make yeah especially when you you did you know really make an effort to move into a certain path of the way of the thinking and believing but yeah what's causing that you know how much of his life experiences you can make conscious efforts to i guess ameliorate the influences of your genes yes but it's like it's like you can you

156:52can live healthy eat healthy and avoid risks and and you're still going to probably die around 110 at best at best if everything goes great and yes some new advanced yeah we're going farther than that guys come on we very well could we very well could i mean i had david sinclair from harvard on uh two weeks ago who's a uh life extension specialist some fascinating yeah you got to stop those televisions from snapping off but i remember the the notion because people always talk about you know human lifespan is we used to live to be 40 on air but human lifespan hasn't changed at all since since essentially uh the beginnings of of human beings hasn't changed at all the the oldest possible lifespan is still exactly the same as it was you know uh 50 000 years ago yeah you know and that's just people got it it's just more people fewer people are dying young right right more people are living

157:45close to their potential and a lot of that is infant mortality if you look at the actual statistics the reason why it's so low yeah is not necessarily that no one lived to be 65 back but a thousand years ago yeah babies died yeah thousands of years ago people did live to be over a hundred yeah but back then you'd scratch your foot and then die two weeks later yeah you know what i mean yes yeah oh yeah but maximum human lifespan hasn't changed at all and that's the thing that maybe is going to start changing do you exercise at all never never ever in your life uh i mean as a kid i like sports never like go for a hike or anything very rarely very well you'd feel really good i probably would yeah it'll relieve a lot of tension just a little hike yeah you know you don't have to do anything crazy yeah no i keep meaning especially now that i'm i think not just getting older but actually old

158:33yes yeah when i'm actually old dude we were young when we met i know our old people i know if a kid sees us like oh there's old dudes in their 50s yeah we're old dudes yeah and no it's crazy i'm yeah i'm weird i'm really almost 60. yeah you know 56 that's almost 60. it is you know it's closing in on it yeah and i'm a terrible looking 39 it's true which is good though that gives you longevity in this business yeah that's like that's my street director yeah that's why steve martin looks good because he never looked young he had great hair right here from the jump yeah yeah um yeah you could just listen to like books on tape and walk it's great man you know just find a place to like go run your canyon just go walk it it's so nice because you can do it at your own pace and it's so good it elevates your heart rate without anything crazy enough to blow your knees out don't have to do

159:23anything nuts yeah no i mean i absolutely feel amazing i've been on the road but so i haven't been doing it on the road but i haven't like started doing like some like light weight lifting and that's awesome great great yeah yeah do you know just hire someone it feels good make someone come all over your house and to tell you to do it i think that's the way to do it have someone else make you do it they're there 10 a.m you oh hi bob let's do it yeah yeah yeah get some hot russian lady yells at you that sounds great great now there's my next divorce are you still doing stand up i know you're doing stand up for a little bit you know what i am going to do i have to go again no okay all right last one all right but no i stop stop once i get dr ken oh okay stop peeing no no stop doing stand up once you got the television oh yeah yeah i love that guy i don't see him enough

160:13it's it's cool to see you two guys together it is you know because that's i don't want to say it's a lifetime ago it was a lifetime but those are in your 20 20s and 30s oh yeah i mean i was a totally different human being when i was 27. you were 100 what's yeah yeah i was crazy i was i was completely insane what what where was the switch for you well i got older and wiser and realized how stupid it was but also uh i was only a few years removed from fighting you know when i first started doing uh news radio it was only like five years removed from my last fight and i still was sparring so i was still getting hit in the head a lot would you like come in to work with uh with the face full of bruises no not that bad i started doing jiu jitsu somewhere around news radio 2 around 96. so that was like i stopped really kickboxing very much after that and then i think i stopped

161:12entirely when i was like 30. i just realized like this has got to stop i gotta stop doing this so you weren't smart were you like this fit guy that just left it all behind or you were always did you always keep it up i work out for sanity i've always worked out for sam you know a lot of people do that i need it you know for whatever it is and also like my personality was sort of forged by uh having these moments of clarity after extreme exertion you know that was that was my personnel was formed that way like if i had a problem if i had something i was dealing with i would just blow it out at the gym and then i'd have a better look at it and probably wind up calling somebody and apologizing or something oh interesting it was like uh it was like a brush of oxygen to the brain yeah well brush a rush of oxygen the brain and maybe even more important more important than that um a draining

162:00of excess energy right because i think uh you once you if you develop a certain way like i did martial arts literally most of my adult life and growing life up until that point and so my my body had sort of developed with this need for that exertion in order to have clarity and so i just i'm like this is my formula i'm sticking with it so i never let it go it's amazing that you did stick that you've never gone away from that i can't that's great i want if i i won't think right i don't think right i think way i think so much better when i exercise i mean there's no comparison it's like a pill i did this uh sober october fitness challenge things with my friends uh in october and uh we went crazy we were working out like three hours a day because we were wearing these heart monitors and one of the things that i read because we're trying to like get a certain score

162:53and whoever got the highest score one one of the things that i recognized from that was that the more i did in terms of cardio especially the the less things bothered me the more more clarity i had the more peaceful i felt the more at ease i felt no more no internal chatter you know i just think um for whatever reason everybody has their own biological makeup and for me my my biological makeup is entirely just forget all the health that benefits from it the health benefits are giant but for me that's my mind exercises you know a friend of mine said that sitting is the new smoking yeah they always say that but does that does that mean do you believe that good for you it's a compression of your your discs for sure especially your lower back and if you don't have good posture it's not good but you can mitigate it with exercise you know you just got to make sure that you don't only sit

163:43you know stretch yourself out take a yoga class i'm liking this i should be writing this down seriously no well do you do any exercising i'm starting uh more i i found out if it's hilarious i would like have kind of a had a golf back injury type thing coughs like when you swing that there's a lot it's hard it's hard on your back so i go i go to the doctor and uh x-rays me and i got freaking scoliosis that i never knew oh wow all my life yeah oh what the bottom of my spine what do they do about that laugh at me the way i'm in there with my wife jackie while he brings in the extra x-rays puts him up in the thing and goes hey buddy you got scoliosis and she bursts out laughing now everything says that's why you walk that way oh my god for real oh that's hilarious every school at some point had one the one hot girl with scoliosis who had the head gear on right

164:45like every school had that hot girl i would go oh she didn't have the headgear man she's really hot they had to have headgear for scoliosis and it had metal like metal rods that was that yeah i thought that was a broken neck yeah that was a scoliosis that's a neck hair i know a girl had a yeah a whole chest thing yeah she has like a big plastic thing that she had to wear to keep her like spine straight she'd wear like two years or something did it work uh sure i guess i don't i mean you didn't stay in touch no what do they do with it you know uh i it's still the same thing he i had a meeting with the the specialist yeah and he's like well i like operating on people that's the person i that's what i do that's why i got into this i'm like i like cutting them when they're asleep but you know you could do some exercises and some you know physical therapy and stuff to alleviate

165:38it yeah and if it gets so bad down the road i could maybe help you out with some rods so there you went in there because there was an initial issue i had i had like issues when i was young when i used to do like track and field and stuff i would get like a pain in an area and then it kind of went away most of my life then i started golfing and then i golf more and more and then one day i didn't warm up and i did i did a twist and it just freaking yeah and it was in a certain spot and i went and it was like you've always had this condition but look at this there's a picture of paul there you go i know i look terrible in that photo that's a strange look wow that's hilarious what's going on with this dick that's like an earth that's like getting constricted and that's that's something they'd wear on under the pants maybe yeah that's just the costume from tlc it's something that

166:33we would have worn yeah yeah right in his androgynous phase yeah yeah they said i just got to suck it up and exercise and get a strong core and i should be fine take yoga that's i got to do that i love it that's like appearing for old people all the time yeah did you just started as an old person no i did it when i was younger and then i didn't do it seriously until about three four years ago then i stood and now i do it because you always said martial arts yeah and i always say like yoga was for people that just were too lazy for martial arts no yoga's yoga does some things that really enhance martial arts and yeah are you a hot yoga guy yeah i like that stuff yeah i like it that seems like torture to me it is a little bit of torture but it's really good for you because your body produces heat shock proteins that are similar to when you go into a sauna

167:18you feel great when you come out of there you feel great but it's also really good for inflammation just the act of doing it in itself in the extreme heat like sauna would be amazing for you too for that reason yeah and heat shock but there's a woman named dr rhonda patrick that's a regular on the show i have her on all the time and she's genius but she's a huge believer in sauna and they did a study in was it like sweden or some where um they took people with uh regular sony use versus not and the regular sony use had a 40 decrease in all cause mortality heart attack stroke cancer yes because you're when you're regularly using it 20 minutes a day for four days a week what they're essentially saying is that your body producing those heat shock proteins and those cytokines 20 minutes of yoga yeah no no no no no heat heat sauna just sitting in a sonic going into i got a

168:09sauna out here sit in the sauna 20 minutes yeah that just doing that is uh because almost all ailments and issues deal with inflammation right yeah well i that's i i have two pinched nerves right now and like herniated discs and uh and they were like i was like like on the couch for like two months is that from your injury uh no i don't i don't think it was i don't know what it was from but it was it may have been it may have been but it was uh like one day it just started my arm my arms started hurting you pin you're talking pointing towards your neck yeah it's like somewhere in here in the herniated disc that makes sense yeah sciatica yeah no no sciatica is your lower right yeah yeah that's your lower back but the uh yeah i like my arm hurts two months my elbow my arm my entire arm felt like it was going to explode it felt like there was this pressure building up in it and

168:59it was literally like like it was going to explode and and i was getting like uh one of the the kind of the shots you get when you're having an epidural i was getting epidural shots that were doing nothing i was taking 16 advil a day jesus jesus that's better that's your stomach yeah and i was getting no pain relief at all and then i started using cbd ah and like that it was gone amazing like and even now it's like you know i couldn't i couldn't do any for two solid months i couldn't get off the couch cbd is incredible yeah i use that stuff so much i got that i got the rubbing stuff that's great and it makes it better for about two days my friend hans though he told me he has a short recent shoulder surgery and he said everybody likes to use the rubbed stuff but you really should take it with the edible stuff like oil oral cbd and rub stuff works together yeah i started i had the cream

169:54no just i had to pop a pill yeah i had the green that i rubbed and then i started using the tincture with it we have some here if you want something yeah see that case in the back that that case is given to us by uh um speed weed yeah the big chest chest of marijuana that's a lot of weight it's crazy and here's the thing thinking the tincture along with the the the cream yes perfect my arthritis went away too yeah yeah i had like like i could see this finger bent yeah i could i couldn't bend my hand wow yeah and it's like that's gone inflammation yeah the knee my arthritis in my knee is completely gone it'll go away even further if you cut out sugar yeah yeah i did that sugar and bread i did that and i felt fantastic yeah the sugar was gone crazy right mm-hmm we're poisoning ourselves our whole lives that's a that is a poison sugar yeah absolutely that's the one thing when i

170:42quit drinking i wanted more sugar oh yeah one effect because i i've never had a sweet tooth really but when i quit drinking i suddenly was craving the chocolate of course yeah makes sense i should go back to zero sugar i went zero sugar for a while and it felt amazing now i'm just like little tiny bits here and there do you do zero i do i had dessert saturday night i had a big old cake with ice cream on it after dinner we have so so no sugar i went on a date with the wife at mastros we have this uh fat steak and then i got this butter cake with sounds like ice cream and oh it's delicious sounds great so good so good so how do you say no to that that sounds amazing and occasionally you got to say it that's that's yeah yeah yeah but i just for the most part i'm on like an 80 20 diet 80 of it is super healthy and then the twenty percent is occasionally i think off yeah yeah i've seen that

171:34that uh two two and five fasting mm-hmm yeah where you two days a week you do like 600 calories yeah the rest of the week you can do whatever you want i'm on the seven and zero yeah seven pick out i i do um uh intermittent fasting so every night if i you know have dinner at seven p.m you know i don't eat anything for sixteen hours once a year passover yeah yeah sorry yeah but it was weird i found my like my cholesterol just dropped through the floor now yeah when i when i did that but i haven't been doing it lately yeah well boys we just did three hours oh my god can we do this more often this is our only our second podcast ever believe it or not it's crazy yeah and i'm in much better shape this time yeah you're great man everything's wonderful yeah um tell people the name of your podcast reid says don't say with uh paul and dave yes but once you get there be warned it's it's don't say

172:32congratulations don't take contact but we can't put that in print yeah um give away your instagram handle i'm twitter paul greenberg one that's e-r-g and i'm just dave foley on instagram and i'm david david dave s foley on on twitter and our show is uh don't say with paul paul named dave yeah and you know what and and and if you've got this wrong and you can just you can just do some sort of web search on your own and maybe not have everything spoon fed to you right yes do some work for once yeah all right beautiful thank you guys that's fine thanks for having us that was great thank you yay that was great that was really fun thank you you