Jocko Willink

00:08four three two welcome back Joo what's happening baby it's good to be here it's good to see you man we were just talking about Chris Cornell we uh found out last night at The Comedy Store that he died and then this morning found out that he hung himself just it's it's hard to even comprehend how do you comprehend that I'm I'm living in a parallel universe doesn't make any sense like how could someone like you know it's easy on the outside looking in at a guy like that but you're like that guy was one of the best ever like how does a guy like that even want to kill himself how does the lead singer of sound garden you to me it just really kind of reveals the complexities of human life exactly what you're saying to have a guy that is at the Pinnacle of his skill the Pinnacle of Fame The Pinnacle of money and and for him to say you know what not going to do it anymore yeah I don't I

01:05don't know what was going on in his head obviously who knows if he was on medication if he had some sort of an issue a health issue who knows I mean I would never speculate but it just I don't understand I mean again I don't know his life but I I couldn't even comprehend I can't even imagine it well that's that's one of the really hard things when you start talking about suicide for people that for someone like me and I I haven't had suicidal thoughts right so when you when you go from that to somebody that not only has the thoughts but then goes ahead and executes it it's very hard to comprehend yeah I've met people that have done it before I've met I've had a few friends that have done it I just I've never understood it I don't get it but I don't know them you know I mean everybody's got their own unique mindset and just you you know what's really crazy man I

01:56read the statistic the other day about suicide um that people in poor neighborhoods are far less likely to kill themselves people that are in the struggle yeah well I actually believe that because they're fighting for something yeah and someone that's already got everything and then they're end up with no drive with no goal and nothing left to achieve and so then all of the sudden they're just staring at the mirror without anywhere else to go you know and I'm I'm not talking about Chris Cornell in in particular but for some people I know uh one of the things that happens is that when they become very successful and they're still not happy then they get hopeless they just feel like well I have everything and yet I'm miserable you know I have a nice big house I drive this fancy car and I still am miserable like there's no hope like this life is meaningless I don't even know what to

02:49say to that I don't know what to say to be honest with you when you you hear that and you just don't even know what to what to say to that you know one thing that why I don't understand it I like struggle I like it I think it's it's important I yeah no there's no doubt about that there's no doubt about having something that you're striving for some goal and like you just said when when all those goals have been achieved and now you're sitting there at the top of the mountain and you now you don't feel happy what do you do just pick up a hobby man find something you suck at and get better at it I mean that seems so simplistic but um you know I just you and I are we share this uh this very important uh part of our Lives which is uh intense exercise indeed and I think that you know I go to your Instagram almost every day to look at your watch it's hilarious

03:34if you go to joo's Instagram it's a time x watch advertisement it's all just that Iron Man watch at 4:30 in the morning the occasional 3:30 this motherfucker's up at 3:30 and you know and you working out like like that's his hairy gorilla arm and a Timex Iron Man Triathlon Watch but that's what's up man that's what's up I mean just doing it getting out there and struggling and then once you do do that here's the thing like you know like a friend of mine said that like I was uh I was saying something about you coming on the podcast and he goes can that dude take another picture of his watch I go I hope he takes a picture of his watch every day until he dies I go it's important it's import it's it's it's sort of in a lot of ways it's symbolic of what we're talking about like no it's not fun to look at your watch every day but you're doing it every day like that's

04:26what's important yeah and I actually early on I had someone you know know say something along the lines of on social media on Instagram or on Twitter you know oh you just going to post another picture you're watching I was like unfollow me like just don't follow me it's no big deal I'm not making you do it and and now it is kind of turned into something where I'm I'm doing it every day regardless of anything else in the world them I like looking at your watch I want to know when I get up at 7 and I think I'm getting up early you've been up for hours and you're already done working out I like it I think it's uh you it's but it is a lot of ways it is it's symbolic of what we're talking about it's the struggle yeah and you know you know who doesn't complain about it and I always make this point too there's like a a single mom somewhere in the valley here that's working three

05:12jobs that's getting up at 3:30 in the morning so she can go work as a waitress somewhere before she's got her other day job that she's got to go through so she can feed her kids yeah I get up almost as a luxury at this point I mean you know I'm a retired guy from the from the military so I can kind of get up whenever I want I get up as a luxury sort of but you also get up because that's who you are yeah and I get up because it is it it is a way to maintain discipline in life for sure to get that stone out and sharpen that blade every morning it's the grind that sharpens the axe indeed there's no other way there's no other way and I don't want to say that this would have saved Chris Cornell or anybody else that did it I'm not saying that but I mean for some people out there that aren't feeling good man if you just struggled more you get over that struggle you feel better

06:00it sounds so simplistic but I swear by it I I felt shitty myself then forced myself to work out and after I get out of there I'm like who 100% it's 100% guarantee and you know actually I had I had you know I had Tim Ferris come on my podcast and when he came on he was like hey I don't know if I'm the right kind of guest for your podcast because you know my podcast is like about war and death and killing and all that stuff and so you know Tim's are about being better and stuff like that so it's easy you raise your voice yeah I mean but Tim Tim's podcast is about improving yourself and mine is about war and genocide and horrible things and he said to me you know hey I don't know if if I come on the podcast but you know maybe I'm not the right type of guest or whatever and I and I wrote back to him and I said hey man you know you've been through some dark stuff in your life

06:46because he wrote a blog post years ago about him being suicidal and him contemplating and planning to commit suicide this is Tim Ferris did he really yeah he went through full motions got you know typical Tim Ferris methodology what did he do he went to the library and got out a bunch of books on killing yourself and then did the research on how he was going to do it and planned it all and then when was this how long ago he was going he was like just done with college and so I mean what is that what is he 35 or something so maybe it's 20 15 years ago Jesus Christ and he was under all this pressure you know he was an Ivy League guy and he was trying to finish school but then it wasn't working out and it was just problematic and so he started saying to himself okay well how am I getting out of this well there's one way to get out of it and luckily he didn't do it but when he came

07:29on you know that's what we talked about and what he said you know as he was making recommendations from again from a guy who's been there was like Hey if if you're trapped in your in your mind and you're starting to feel that way go do something physical get in your body get out of your mind the same thing you're saying when you're feeling bad when you're feeling down go out and swing a kettle bell around and you will feel better yeah this just too much for some people especially they're just experiencing way too much pressure and that that pressure a lot of times it's just a an balance in perspective and some of it's like uh I was talking to this mom once uh her daughter uh does gymnastics with my daughter and we were talking about um kids killing themselves where she used to live she used to live in um one of the really wealthy Tech areas outside of San Francisco and a

08:16bunch of kids that went to school with her daughter that were like 15 16 were jumping off Bridges and like it was a like an epidemic and they were trying to figure out what the is going on and they're literally calling it affluent enza that these affluent kids and their their families are literally worth a billion dollars you know I mean everybody's super rich and they're having this insane pressure like before high school and in high school to be in Ivy League schools and to get 4.0 and all and they're they're not having any fun and they're not experiencing life and they don't have any hope and their parents are all on pills and they're just killing themselves yeah and as you said it really is a piece of perspective because if you think about think about some when you watch one of your buddies go down the downward spiral maybe it's not the suicide but whether it's drug addiction

09:04a lot of times some female the girlfriend the ex-wife will just take them on the the downward spiral and there's there they can't get out of it and if they were to step back if they were if it was you and your buddy watching one of your other friends go down the spir they go oh my God I can't believe he's doing that that's crazy but when you're in that spiral people get caught in that and they can't they can't get the perspective of what it looks like from the outside yeah it's hard for people to break momentum too momentum that's good momentum or M momentum that's bad momentum when I get uh like when I get on a good groove of working out all the time I feel it like after I'm done working out I'm like yeah I can't wait to get in there again I can't wait to work out again that's the good momentum but then there's that bad momentum like you get injured or something like that you can't do

09:43anything for a couple weeks and then to to try to get that Kickstart that motor up again it's the it's hard to get momentum yeah and I i' I've caught some some flak for saying there was these big science experiments or something and they and they said that Willer dissipates throughout the day and and the more decisions you have to make the weaker you get throughout the day and I I think that's BS I agree with what you're saying which is when you wake up in the morning you get a good workout you don't lose willpower you actually build it you feel better you feel stronger and then at lunchtime you you're not saying Hey where's the pizza and where's the donuts no at lunchtime you already worked out you feel good you're like Hey where's the where's the Steak where's the protein um and and that carries throughout the day as opposed to exactly what you're saying

10:26which is when you sleep in you skip your workout all of a sudden the donuts are starting to look pretty good and then the next thing you know it's pizza and then when you get home at night you're just watching TV and that can continue on for days and then days turn into weeks and then the next thing you know you're fat and out of shape yeah and then on top of that if they did do that study like really I want to know what those people were eating because that's a big factor too because a there's a lot of people that are eating food and then by the end of the day your body's in a crisis your body's just processing all this yeah and people ask me that too they go you know how much do you sleep first of all I got to ask all the time so I go to bed around 11:00 I woke wake up around 4:30 every day so that's 5 and 1/2 hours I sometimes I sleep more than that sometimes I go to

11:04bed at 10: 10:30 11:00 sometimes I stay up later but when the person says to me oh you know I I can't do that I feel horrible how can I feel better and my first question is like what are you eating what are you eating cuz if you're eating Cheetos and chocolate chip cookies for lunch there's no way you're going to feel good and I don't care if you slept 12 hours a night before yeah that's a it's a giant factor and if you're eating a big like lunch filled with nonsense like your body's got to process all that stuff and so at the end of the day yeah you're going to lose your willpower so like when 5:00 6:00 rolls around you're going to be tired but if you have a healthy lunch and you know you're you're properly fueled and then you also have positive people in your life everyone's motivated by the end of the day you're going to feel good like say if you're go if

11:47you're doing Jiu-Jitsu with a bunch of other people that are doing Jiu-Jitsu everybody's enjoying it you're looking forward to that 6:30 class everybody's fired up you get out of work you're pumped man what you're doing when you get out of work you're fueling up with water you're trying to get some electrolytes in you cuz you know you're going to get out there on the mats and you're going to sweat it out yeah and the thing you got to do too is when you get done with work and it was a grind and you didn't get you ate crappy food and whatever happened happened and you got yelled at by your boss or whatever and the real easy decision is to be like I'm not going to go train tonight those are the night you got to train cuz that is going to kick you back on the track real quick when you get in there and you see your boys and they're they getting ready to tear you up on the mats and

12:23that's going to get you on track as opposed to going home and watching TV which isn't going to do anything for you yeah and if it's if Jitsu is not your whatever the your thing is just go and do it just force yourself to do it and if you feel like because you ate lunch then your lunch was you know filled with well then hey dummy don't eat shitty lunch tomorrow tomorrow try a nice salad you know try a salad with some salmon and see how you feel then you like hey I feel way better today at 6 o00 duh yeah now your decision- making will be better like people don't understand how significant it is like all these little decisions they those are like the that's the path for the rest of your existence on Earth and if you just de side to go to Cheetos chocolate chip cookie route you're you're you're just making a path you're carving your path through broken rocks and glass and it's

13:09not the way to go yeah there's no doubt that the the life change decision isn't one big decision that you make it's all these little tiny decisions it's you know having a salad instead of Cheetos that's that's that's what it is on a daily basis and if you think about that and then you just make the right decision on those little things that's where that's where the change happens yeah if you just reach in your refrigerator you see the Coca-Cola right next to the water just go like that grab that water just do it I know you don't want to but just do it and you like I did it I grab the water listen water doesn't taste good compared to Coca-Cola if your body is like craving that that heroin of Coca-Cola but the reality is if you were out in the desert and you saw a cold bottle of water you'd be so excited for that water' be like oh it would be the most delicious thing

13:55ever but when you're at a restaurant you're like oh you got any lemonade oh you know I want a soda I want I want some some mouth pleasure yeah and if you've ever been truly thirsty before like in the desert where you haven't had water or you didn't bring enough water and you're really thirsty you Coke isn't even appealing at that point it's nasty you get to feel what it really is you get in that mode where you've been truly thirsty which I've been before you know just not like I was going to die but I've been close to getting some sort of a heat stroke scenario happening and and then got to a stream pumped the water drank the water and that's the most beautiful thing in the world when you don't have water and you get it yeah I bet more so even if you're getting it from a stream and then pumping it through a filter and you know just getting it right out of the earth so

14:35good oh it's what you're supposed to have folks well I think people are supposed to struggle I think there's there's a part of us that longs for the old times when we were just some sort of primitive monkey people running away from animals there's that that's still in our DNA there's no doubt that you have an instinct I mean that's why we play sports right you have play sports because you want to compete with people and and look at the rise of of UFC why is that because that's the most sport you can possibly come up with is I'm going to fight you that's what we're going to do in a cage so why is that so popular we still have that instinct that we want to we want to fight we want to struggle we want to survive yeah you know Dana White and I have talked about this so many times that it transcends every language like Cricket is so giant in England right and in India try

15:18putting that on TV in America we'll be like get get that stupid paddle game off TV what the are you doing we don't even know what's going on or conversely baseball you play baseball to some country that doesn't accept baseball they're like what is this nonsense this takes forever you know I mean the real sport of of MMA like is not I mean it is unquestionably it's a sport and there are rules but it transcend you know what's happening you might not understand the ground that much when when submissions but when you see a guy turning red cuz the the other guy's behind him choking the life out of him you get it you see what's happening you understand it yeah that's another cool thing if you ever you ever teach kids Jiu-Jitsu yeah so awesome to say no you want to put this guy down and and that's that's all you need to say they go okay and then you give him a little a little little taste

16:07of information like if you grab their legs and push them they'll fall down and that's all you need to tell them and then they'll be basically doing double leg takedowns instinctively and it's Savage it's beautiful it is beautiful but you can't do that with you know with a regular sport like baseball okay what you're going to do is you're going to have this guy throw the ball to you three times every time you swing if misses that's a that goes to him and at work no yeah well it's also there something feels good about like choking somebody you know it's just there's something about it like even if you're not hurting them I mean it just feels good it's it feels like you're supposed to do it maybe it's just you and I I you know I think anybody I think anybody that that tries it and gets that that's why that's why Jiu-Jitsu is getting so popular because you take a random person

16:53on the street male female 10 years old 20 years old 40 years old you put them and you say okay when you get them this other person in this position right here and you get their arm around you get your arm around their neck you can kill them or you can accept you can accept their tap and you can have mercy on them that's a powerful feeling it is we know other thing that's powerful about it is that two guys can be friends and practice killing each other and not even hurt each other yeah like like I'm sure you you you've recognized that like I feel better working out with black belts I feel safer training with guys that are like super high level than I do with even guys that are like an athletic white belt it might spaz out and accidentally headbutt me yeah and I mean I get ask that question all the time too is uh people say hey am I too old to start Jiu-Jitsu I'm 52 years old I'm 49 years

17:42old and what I tell them is you're not too old you're definitely not too old but you need to be smart and one of the smartest decisions you need to make is choosing your training partners and you don't want to train if you're a 52-year-old guy that's never trained before and you're a white belt and you're going to get on the mat the person you don't want want to train with is the other white belt that's 22 years old that's on steroids that's going to go psycho and he's going to he just he just doesn't know how to control his body whereas the black belt the black belt the percentage chance of you being hurt by a black belt if you're a white belt that's just you know trying is nearly zero nearly zero if it's a legit black belt yeah yeah I teach my kids class sometimes my kid takes a a mixed martial arts class and uh the instructor asked me to come in and demonstrate one

18:27particular type of move the other day and so I start I demonstrated it and we were talking about like some different positions that are important for kids to recognize like how to make sure you don't get like kids were giving up their back where they were trying to pass guard they were trying to pass guard and they were pushing down and I'm like you never want to turn your shoulder like that cuz I I had to explain to them to arm drag so I'm explaining to these kids to arm drag and you see their little brain spinning man and you see them practicing on each other and they're laughing and they're girls you know so you're watching these like eight-year-old girls having the best time like choking each other and everything and going through these motions and to me I mean I think it's awesome man these kids do it all the time no one's getting hurt they're they're having a great time with each

19:08other and it's just this Primal release like let's get all that out of there and then you can be civil yeah well even if there's no jiujitsu instruction involved and there's no mats around and you take two kids and you put them in the yard eventually they're going to start wrestling with each other trying to hold each other yeah boys for sure boys for sure I was at a party once with my kids and these two boys started going at it and neither one of them at any training you could tell but it's just natural like they they're getting their hips low and they're trying to push each other and they're trying to figure it out and neither one of them knew what to do and I kind of wanted to go up and and start coaching them but they're just playing in the grass I didn't want you know it's like it's it's fascinating to see just natural human instincts yeah and that's the other

19:52thing I've noticed in teaching kids Jiu-Jitsu is the kids that are a little bit more cerebral you're you're you know the parents will think well you know my son he's he's kind of a nerd he's kind of a smart kid I don't know if he's going to like this but the opposite is actually true very often where the kid that's cerebral he'll recognize as soon as you show him three things like you said his wheels are turning he's going wait a second this is this is a skill I can learn and if I know this then and the other guy doesn't know this I'll be able to beat him and so cerebral kids often get into it even more than than you know some kid that's just kind of a natural Bruiser oh yeah that mean 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu is filled with Nerds they're all nerds they're assassin nerds it's really kind of interesting it is and and you're you're you're not being facius when you use the word assassin

20:41nerds because you know this is you know if you go back before you knew jiujitsu before I knew Jiu-Jitsu before I knew Jiu-Jitsu and you know I was a big Navy Shield 200 lbs one of those kids that's 145 lbs would absolutely have destroyed me if we got into a fight boom take my back put me to sleep you know what I mean I I might you know put up an okay fight and hit him one time in the side of the head and then he's in on my back and put me to sleep that's the reality nerd assassins coming at you strong well it is I mean it it's a complex game of kinetic chess I mean it's more complex than chess because you know in chess you've got these different pieces and they're restricted in their movements Jiu-Jitsu is not restricted in its movement and every transition has so many different possibilities and so many different setups there so many different times you get l one way and then just to

21:29get you to defend so that they can establish a second position and they get you to defend that so they can establish a third position yeah and that part of it is is what I think really for me transferred from Jiu-Jitsu to not only to the battlefield but to life as well because the big thing in Jiu-Jitsu from my perspective is that you don't go strength against strength right if I'm I don't if I'm trying to choke you I don't try and choke you overtly I don't just grab your neck no I work on your arm and I put pressure over here and I pass your guard and then I eventually while you're thinking about something else boom that's when I grab your neck or that's when I grab your arm and that's what I think on the battlefield you know you can't you just don't attack hardened positions of the enemy and in life you know if you're trying to be a leader you're trying to step up and Lead

22:15somebody you don't just come down and bark orders at people because that's not as effective as maneuvering and adjusting your position and getting in a better position and then getting that person to give you what you want instead of trying to take it from them yeah that's a really uh important lesson for Parenthood like you can't just tell kids what to do you know like just do it because I told you to do it they're like you I'm gonna be a hooker that's yeah and that and that applies not only to kids and you're you're 100% it applies to kids but it applies to adults as well and that is people need to understand why they're doing what they're doing and you know if I want you to go take down some building and capture some bad guy I don't go hey hey Joe I want you to go take down this building I want you to capture this bad guy these are the guys I want you to

22:58take with you here's the route I want you to take in here's the methodology I want you to use for the clearance because then when I send you to go do that mission it's not your mission it's my mission I came up with a plan you didn't so you might be you might have thought there was a better way to do it or you might had a different idea of how to get it done and now when you go out there and you meet some kind of resistance whether it's an obstacle you didn't expect or whether it's some scenario that you didn't foresee instead of you trying to overcome it you just blame me you just look ad Joo came up with this stupid plan and here we are it's failing forget it we're going back we're not going to carry out the mission whereas if I said Hey Joe here's what I want you to do go figure out the best way to do it and now you come up with a plan and now you make up all the

23:35methodology of how you're going to get it done and you decide who you're going to take with you now it's your plan you own that plan and when you go out in the field and you meet a little resistance guess what you do you say I'm going to find a way around it I'm going to overcome this I'm going to overcome that obstacle I'm going to make it happen and that's another piece of leadership and it's the exact same thing with kids if you tell your kid you know you will get good grades in school that means nothing to them but if you explain to them hey I I would love for you to get good grades and here's why it's going to open opportunities for you in the future it's going to allow you to be able to outsmart people because you're gonna have more knowledge than them and then you're going to be able to end up making more money which is actually to give you more freedom in the long run instead of

24:11doing a job that you don't want to do if you explain all those things to a kid it's going to be a lot more successful than just do it I told you get good grades cuz I said so now when you do these conferences where when you you speak at at uh businesses and and they bring you in to to sort of have these leadership uh Med what would you call them leadership seminars seminars now when you have these seminars are these uh some of the principles that you discuss when you talk about absolutely absolutely because that's another another big piece of this is that all this ideas about interacting with human beings they just don't change like there's little variance but whether you're dealing with kids or whether you're dealing with adults and whether you're dealing with business people whether you're dealing with soldiers on the battlefield the leadership principles they don't change and

24:56therefore you can whether you're to get people to go out and capture and kill a bad guy or whether you're trying to get them to build some product and sell it the principles leadership don't change you're still trying to get a bunch of totally independent people right and that's one of the the myths we have to overcome a lot because everyone thinks oh and the military V's just like a robot and that's just not true everybody in the military is free they're people they're people they're freeth thinking people and they're going to come up with their own ideas they're going to have their own agendas and they're going to think of ways to do things that they think are better than yours so you're going to have all these independent free thinkers and you got to get them on board with the same plan to you to go out and execute and so it doesn't matter if you're on the battlefield or business

25:36that's what that's what you're trying to get done and the leadership principles don't change to me that's as a person who's never been in the military that's one of the fascinating aspects of how it works is like how how do you get all these different people to follow through on a plan and who are the leaders and why do the leaders have the right ideas and who educates them is to have have the right idea to having the right ideas like I know that a lot of people are excited about where the military is right now like Tim Kennedy reenlisted yeah and he Bless yeah he reenlisted Because he believes that the military has support now and look Tim Kennedy believes he was put on this Earth to kill bad guys and that's what he wants to do I mean I think I agree with Tim Kennedy I think I agree with him too for sure obviously he enjoys it I mean he's not around I

26:21mean's he went back in he put his you his money where his mouth is and in his eyes that this is you know this is the way that it should have been that you should give the military the chance to do their job that's their idea and then other people believe that there should be much more civilian oversight and there should be much more much more checks and balances before things get done this is this is a big debate that's going on today well I think there's two different things that you just talked about that is what the military gets told to do and how they do it and those are two different things and I I I think that yes absolutely the civilians should control and do control the military by the way they do control the the civilians are under or the military is under control of civilians and yet once you say okay this is what we want to have happen you need to let the military

27:10professionals figure out how they're going to go and make it happen yeah that's that's where it gets tricky right because if you in the like one of the things that was explained to me by uh a friend who's a Navy SEAL he was saying that when something needs to get done and you have all these people that are telling you how you can do it how you can't do it like and people that are not in experiencing combat and don't understand what what could or could not go sideways like to put more problems in place or to put more checks and balances in place you're actually going to put these people in more danger that that is true yeah you should like I said if you let the civilians decide what it is that needs to be accomplished and then the military leaders decide how they're going to go ahead and make that that happen and I mean it goes back to goes back to Vietnam you know there was too

28:01much civilian oversight of what was happening in Vietnam and the military leaders were they didn't really have the the the wherewithal not even the wherewithal they didn't have the free reign to go out and try and make things happen the way they wanted to and it ended up in a big Quagmire well Vietnam seems like to me from an outsider to be one of the most up Wars ever absolutely it didn't totally make sense that it was happening and then now we know that the Gul of Gulf of tonen was very likely a false flag and that there was some sort of motivation to get there in the first place and then you're dealing with Guerilla Warfare for the first time ever in US history like they didn't exactly know how to handle this no we didn't and we didn't adapt very well to what was happening on the ground which is always going to be problematic if you have close-minded people in the

28:47military if people are close-minded that're you're not going to be able to move forward against a when when the battlefield changes and the battlefield changes all the time I mean you can look at Iraq Iraq the battlefield changed drastically from this big conventional force that we went up there to fight against saddam's big army well once that fell apart then what happened now all of a sudden we were facing gorillas again and an Insurgency and it took us several years to change our strategy from we didn't even know what to do we oh my God you know what do we do there's all these people running around what do we do with these all these people running around and how do we get these people under control and and the civilians want us here and and yet if we don't do the right thing now the civilians don't want us hear what do we need to do so it took us some time to adjust our strategy in

29:27Iraq and luckily we had some good leaders that that went ahead and made those changes isn't it also that when when you're in war and the the strategy not the strategy but the motivation is very clear like if you're fighting against Hitler's Army in World War II this is very clear that you're dealing with an evil force whereas in Vietnam it's like wait a minute why are we here like what's going on communism what's happening extremely extremely challenging no doubt and that that is why and you know I've talked about this before if if America or any nation is going to go to war you have to decide that this is the most important thing in the world you have to and the wills that I talk about that you have to have to to execute this war you got to have you got to have the will to kill people and and again I say this all the time no one wants to hear it cuz

30:18it's ugly and horrible but when you say you're going to kill people in war you're not just going to be able to perfectly kill just the bad guys civilians are going to die it is nightmare kids women it's horrible it's awful and if you think oh I'm going to go to war and we're just going to kill the bad guys it's not going to happen war is too complex it's just not going to' be saying like hey I'm going to go and fight in the UFC and I'm not going to get hit it's not going to happen you're going to get hit you're going to get bruised up you're going to get dinged and it's the same thing in war so you have to have the will to kill people of course it's easy to have the will to kill the bad guys but then you have to accept the fact that some innocent people are going to die and that is going to be awful and then on the other side of the coin is of course if you're

31:00going to send people to war people Americans are going to die and there's nothing you can do about it you have to accept that fact and you know that's why Vietnam was just the ultimate tragedy in in in many respects because we were killing a lot of civilians we were losing a lot of Americans but we weren't progressing the way we needed to it is a nightmare I agree with you 100% what do you think about transparency like uh when the Bush Administration wouldn't let them take photographs of coffins and and send them home like a lot of people are really upset because there's a lot of people that felt like look Americans should know that there's a cost to this and they should know that there's consequences to these actions and they were saying that these consequences and knowing about these consequences could lessen morale could lessen support back at home when they really needed that

31:48people didn't really need to know this what they need to know is we're on the right track and we're doing well yeah I that's a tough one and whether it's the right decision to keep the Americans in their beautiful bubble that they live in and and let them know that this war is happening but you don't have to see the the brave Americans coming home that are sacrificed their lives and interestingly if you remember I think it was Tara the Battle of tarwa in World War II and for the first time so we were we needed money to run World War II a lot of money war bonds and all that and we were kind of falling behind and we needed some money and one of the first times that they released a lot of pictures of American Dead American was I I think it was the Battle of Tara and there was all these Americans washing up on the beach I mean marines that had drowned and got shot and it was

32:36awful but they did it for a reason they did it to show like hey this is real this is happening we need to put Pitch in we need money we need to you know save save meat save uh oil don't use your cars we all need to get in for the big win right and that's the opposite of what we're talking about when they're saying hey you're not allowed to take pictures of of De Americans that are being killed and you know I I think there should be some level of transparency there when you should America should see what is happening what is the cost because it's real easy for Americans to to sit there and allow these young kids to go overseas and fight and die or be wounded Gravely wounded and just to shut those you know just ignore them cuz I'm I don't care cuz I'm over here in the mall no maybe we should uh maybe we should not only you know maybe we should not only show

33:23pictures of the coffins that are coming back but maybe we should explore and show the lives that those men sacrificed and who they were and what they did and what their families were like and their their wife and kids and mom and dad that they left behind that they gave up and why did they give it up because they believed in Freedom and so now we just going to say oh that's not happening no it's happening and you need to you need to know it it is kind of strange right when you think about how little access to information people really had back in World War II they were counting on the news they were counting on newspapers and now today we have massive massive access to information instantaneously but yet you get less of it when it comes to that yeah and and in some ways you get more of it I mean obviously when there's an incident that happens overseas you can find out about it on

34:05Twitter as fast as you can find out about it through you know waiting for a real news source to come up with it but you don't get anything that's like specifically distributed by the US government to let you know the consequences of war and say hey folks we need your support this is what's really going down these are American citizens this is what's happening to them over there yeah and then the same thing could be said if for hey hey sometimes civilians are going to get killed and what do we do what do we do then do we brush that under the rug and we just show The Americans getting killed or do you universally show what's happening what war is man war is jacked up I'm here to tell you war is not glorious it is not fun and it is it is a horrible horrible event and so yeah I think you should expose it and I think you should expose it at a at a high level so that

34:55people understand what we're getting into and and as horrible as war is there's many times throughout history where war is the absolute in my mind in my opinion the right thing to do and we don't have a choice and and we need to do something when when horrible things are happening and and you know I think that's you know on my podcast I talk about like the like I said I talk about war and death and horrible genocide and and that's one of the reasons why I think it's it's gotten a lot of traction is because I'm talking about things that are otherwise being ignored and I think people do want to know I think people do want to understand War at a deeper level so that way when they hear a politician up there saying hey we should go to war they can at least say to themselves I know what I know what he's talking about and he's not just talking about hey we're going to wave the flag and we're

35:40going to send some soldiers over there they kick ass they're going to come home we're going to high5 that's not what war is and let's not ever forget that that's not what war is war is a man and another man on a battlefield surrounded by people civilians and they're trying to kill each other and it's a bloodbath and we we shouldn't forget that and is it necessary sometimes it absolutely is it absolutely is necessary sometimes but we better weigh our our minds heavily before we make that decision to go and execute now when you think about the evolution of human beings you think about how much safer it is today versus how it was thousands of years ago do you ever foresee a time where War won't exist I don't know you know people joke with me a lot about the robot wars and and robots being able to accomplish Wars I actually believe that thing will come I mean we've got drones right now that

36:34that are very capable pretty soon we'll have land Warfare robots that will be able to go in and clear buildings and and make things happen and then we'll the enemy then have robots that will fight our robots at some point yeah and then at some point will that elevate to a point where we're not dealing with physical robots anymore but just the software behind the robots and now it's just a big sort of cyber Warfare that that is that seems conceivable to me now Joe don't mistake me for some kind of like a Sam Harris intellectual over here or that I'm going to sit here and explain to you what the future of you know Warfare from a technical perspective but from my from my rudimentary thought process could it not Elevate to a point where we have robots fighting robots and then that eventually escalates to a point where it's some kind of cyber warfare where it's not

37:24physical but it's just information based that does make sense to me that that could happen yeah it makes sense to me too especially when you see those Boston Dynamic robots have you seen those godamn things you kick them over they bounce back up they run up hills they can run like 60 M an hour they're freaks I mean it's it's really and what they're doing now is just I mean who knows where they're going to be 10 years from now I mean they're going to be solar powered the they're be able to live out there with no food yeah it'll be awesome and and then and then then where will we go will those robots fight people for a while probably people don't know any people that don't people that don't have good robots yet yeah and that's not going to be fun for the people without robots right and we'll see where it goes from there I mean I think that's just a surrender scenario right if you've got a

38:10a a if let's say America has these robots that can just come in with ruthless precision and take out bad guys and you know you're going to be at their Mercy there's a science fiction movie right like China develops robots that take over New York City like look at this godamn thing he one of these Boston Dynamic robots it's just it's so weird man to see them moving around yeah and what's interesting I've seen some other ones like you don't need they they put all this effort into making it actually walk instead of have you know wheels or tracks or whatever you know wheels or tracks with little pods that could get over things would be they want this to look like for a person for some reason a a human shape is not necessarily the most effective you know structure for fighting it's not for us right yeah barely yeah I mean what's one of the reason why our backs are so

39:01up we're not you know you can't even talk us into standing up straight I can pick up 10 pounds okay what's a big deal I'm better than that yeah this robot someday though well what it's just we like things that look like us for for whatever reason you know we like the idea that this thing is going to look like us but yeah I agree with you it doesn't need to and it should it's probably not the best and the real the real Combat robots probably won't look like they won't be bipedal is yeah B they won't be bipedal they'll probably have little Treads or something and just haul ass at 60 MPH with the machine gun or they'll have many legs like uh what was that one that was like a cheetah there's that some some crazy one that's like a cheetah and it runs at some ridiculous speed and it's terrifying they had one that was on a treadmill is this the cheetah one I

39:47think so it's called wild and again it's obviously not the best Galloping it's not the best structure because you have to make this thing up and run whereas with wheels on it or Treads or something like a tank a mini tank yeah but I I wonder like for getting over logs and stuff like that if there's any sort of benefit they also have those ones that leap up in the air and they can go over they go over the top of walls and yeah that's what you need is some kind of a legs that can pop out if they need to yeah maybe we should just design this thing and take over oh there you go here's one of Wheels yeah yeah see that one's got that's good The Best of Both Worlds that one's terrifying that one's got front legs and it's got back wheels yeah they're not playing games and didn't Google buy them is that yeah I believe so Google Skynet that's what we should be careful of yeah

40:34Google is powerful God damn their big announcement they made this week about their Google IO an assistant AI stuff is pretty crazy too I don't know a bunch of the the information so I can't tell you just look it up people are getting scared this is like the Google Siri type thing oh yeah yeah yeah exactly this is for the new pixel phone yep yep what is a they made a bunch of extra announcements on top of that too what's supposed to be significant whoa did you see that thing jump over a look at this yeah see that's the thing you got to watch out for that thing see without even knowing it I was saying wheels and legs there you go but that thing rewind that a little bit watch it go over the wall it jumps over a wall look a little bit before that yeah watch this watch what this thing can do man after it does this it goes down these stairs and then it gets to I mean

41:22it's it gets to this wall like a a hurdle and it bounces over this hurdle like it's nothing there's snow doesn't matter grass doesn't matter as long as it doesn't break one of those stupid Wheels the problem is what are those wheels made out of you shoot one of those wheels that thing's but look at this bounces right over that no problem tucks its legs it looks terrifying yeah then put it cover it in like some creepy fake skin like an alien you know yeah and then you'd put sensors on it you know uh thermal sensors and night vision sensors and you wouldn't be able to get away from it yeah just hunt you down and kill you I mean just think about that technology and then add that Tesla technology for self-driving cars that knows where all the cars are and everything we're just we're just a few years away from something very very bizarre yeah I again I kind of look

42:11forward to it bring bring on the robots I want to fight them I'll go down the blaz of Glory yeah that's likey ripping out battery cords and trying to take their lives yeah Arnold Schwarzenegger and Terminator it's funny because when that Google Assistant can see and understand the world around you what they built that like Google The Google Lens thing that used to be existing and they took it away it's kind of just built into the new Google Lens the thing you the thing you tried glasses you no you mean Google Glasses gles I'm sorry Google lens is that thing that translates the world that translates languages they they just kind of put all that data into this and so now it's on that phone and everyone will have it that has the new pixel and it so what does it do it's doing a bunch as far as I know right now it's a bunch of AI information so it's looking at

42:55barcodes and QR codes all over the place and it's you don't even have to have a really like uh excuse me a good version of it you can do it from far away and it can read it it can be really low uh pixelated not saying the right word I'm losing the word um resolution yeah yeah yeah low resolution you can have a low resolution that can pick it up from far away to off the TV so that's cool and everything but like what is bar why why do you need to read barcodes somebody tell me well I know one thing it's the new pixel's supposed to do like say if you have like this Stevia and you want oh I want to get this you know it's got a little bar bar code you put your phone up to it it'll show you a link on Amazon and you can one click it just like that right right right so that's one good thing that it does for the barcodes but you know it can compare prices and

43:36stores it's saying automatically whether it's Cho's an Amazon and they'll block that might be so basically we're moving into the ultimate age of consumerism yeah I want to buy this now it's just a step up and instantaneous instantaneous purchasing but like as far as like reading the world around you what else is it doing uh I mean I think you have to hold it up to see it so right here it says you can aim it at a flower and it'll and it will identify the species you can point pull up a band's music or videos by pointing the lens at a concert poster whoow so like right now there's something that popped up on Apple's phone recently that people don't really know because it's hard to see like if I type in your name Joe it gets underlined and if you click that a whole bunch of information pops up and leads to like all of your things on Apple music it leads to your web page it's like a

44:22little Siri assistant thing but it's it hasn't been advertised and it's not really it doesn't work for every person's name like it might not work for jao willing but it will work for Joe Rogan and it might in the future if they update it or I don't know who needs to update it or what but that's kind of it's cool too this is an an updated version of that I believe and just to bring this conversation back to where we were the further we go in this direction of Technology being in every part of our Lives the further away we get from having to struggle with things and the bigger hole there's going to be the hole that you sense and I sense which is if you're not struggling if you're not working if you're not fighting for something that's just going to go further and further into the past and further and further down and people can have that hole to fill up somehow

45:10yeah the physical body needs it has requirements it has a stress requirements and if you I always do the way I talk about it's like a battery and like almost like but not a conventional battery the way we think of is but almost like a storage vessel for energy and then if you don't do anything with that energy it sort of oozes over the side and battery acid crust the outside of it like it gets all up but if you just keep pumping out energy you keep doing something it maintains some sort of homeostasis it maintains some sort of a balance point it it maintains some sort of a um uh operational happiness like where the body's not fighting against itself because I think that a lot of people's bodies are just fighting against them and a lot of like the way the decisions they're making it's a big of it a big part of it is it's just not taking care their meat vehicle so they're getting

45:58all this confusing messages from the flesh yeah I I mean we see that every day when you walk around America and you see people that are just you wonder how much longer they're going to be able to survive and what happens if they if there's a fire and they have to run they're not going to make it around the corner dude go to Disneyland everybody's on a scooter it's weird it's so weird and I I have a friend who works at Disneyland and he was telling me like that he started working there 10 years ago it was rare to see someone on a scooter and now they're all on scooters and they're not on scooters cuz they got a broken leg they're or they're old they're on scooters because they've eaten themselves into this unmanageable shape well again even five years ago if you wanted to eat yourself in a miserable shape you had to walk to the grocery store to do that which was at

46:47least some form of movement and now you just one click on Amazon and you got the the Cheetos in Ultra large size showing up at your front door in hours and they're going to come in a drone soon yeah and by the way you can just it be like Cheetos and then it'll it'll put you up the other things that you will probably want too you want Cheetos you probably want two liters of coke and you probably want some marshmallows to go with that and there you go two hours it's there you're just killing yourself what the man like when is this going to end I wonder when they're going to be able to figure out a way to compensate for all the the that like just some sort of a a pill that figures out or even crisper I was I was listening to this Radio Lab podcast where they're updating crisper where do you know what crisper is no it's a a new tool that they have that they're using

47:34to monifi jeans and they uh they've only figured it out over the last few years and apparently they've already started doing work on nonviable fetuses in China with this that's what they say who knows what by the time they say that my thought is the guy telling you is probably some fake person by then you know by the time it actually gets to the news who knows what kind of crazy advancements they're making you know behind the Iron Curtain or where there is there an iron curtain anymore well there's China and there's definitely some things going on in China though oh for sure they're doing some dark with people in this goddamn technology but they think that they're not only going to be able to use this Gene editing tool but they're going to be able to implant this Gene editing tool into our genetics so that your own genes start doing the work of crisper for you so things like they're they

48:25think it's going to take the place of antibio itics they think it's going to be able to edit out things like Alzheimer's like whatever the gene is for Alzheimer's they'll be able to edit that out so Alzheimer's will no longer exist it's going to be really really strange because people are going to have to make decisions yeah and I think the stuff is going to come quickly once it like once we turn the corner it seems like it's going to come fast oh it's going to come real fast and there's going to be some weird mutations that happen in there too yeah there's going to be people that look like the Hulk yeah there's going to be there's going to be some people that have one eye and and two heads and just going to be all backed up and they're going to what do we do to those people right the ones that didn't like you got that it didn't work right Tiana crisper job so it's

49:04crisper a pill is it a no it's some sort of a gene editing tool I don't know the actual mechanism behind it I don't understand it I've only like listened to people talk about it read things on it and then how far away is immortality from that because once you can eliminate all these different diseases yeah I think like a hundred years and I always thought if you could just clone your body and then you let your body grow to be 20 years old then you just take your brain out put it inside that new body then you're good to go it I think it's going to be even creepier than that I think they're going to be able to turn back the clock CU I think that when you think about like cellular aging like well what is it your body's not reprodu you know every cell in your body except for your neurons reproduces like somewhere between every 3 to seven years or something like that right your

49:49neurons are the only things that you keep for the for the whole life and so what they're thinking is that like as time goes on and you're you know you're reproduce shittier and shittier your TMR shrink and doesn't do well well they'll be able to flip that around so that as time goes on you'll be like Benjamin buttons you'll start getting younger and younger which would be really weird if they it up and you start turning into a baby you know you're like some 50y old then all of a sudden you're like dude I'm 12 again like this is not good next year I'm going to be 11 you know like if it goes backwards in that direction if they can literally halt it like if they can take you and then like say if you're a 40-year-old woman and they put you on a 20-year program and they're like well in 20 years instead of being 60 you're going to be 20 and this is how it's going to work next year

50:34you're going to be 39 next that's totally conceivable that's totally conceivable totally 100% conceivable possible and likely yeah yeah then then that immortality thing isn't that far away then the only thing that's going to you up is accidents and murder and you know like that asteroids is life become more precious then because now you're think thinking hey I don't want to go skydiving cuz I could actually live for thousands of years if I don't screw this up I think more likely you're going to see a lot more parkour and those that are doing back flips off the Grand Canyon like that kind of you're going to see you're going to see more more more people that are like wanting to feel alive by taking crazy risks yeah those Russian dudes though oh well I had James Kingston on the podcast he's that crazy from England great kid but he's he does back flips on the top

51:27buildings in Dubai and like what are you doing man yeah you posted one of those the other day and you said something like you know I don't know how you wrote it but you said something like right and I watched and I was like my sentiment exactly that is jacked up there was one just a couple of days ago these guys released it they were on the Golden Gate Bridge I didn't even watch it did you see it Jamie I wouldn't even watch it they like Daredevils were on the Golden Gate Bridge but you see them on the very top of the Golden Gate Bridge doing some silly hanging off the edge like a yeah I did some dumb stuff when I was younger I did some rock climbing without ropes not not any Alex honold stuff but you know where I would definitely get injured if I fell that was just being young and stupid I remember one time we were I was on a ship out in the middle of the a Navy

52:11ship out in the middle of the ocean somewhere I was in a seal platoon somewhere and me and one of my buddies we were doing pull-ups off the side of the ship at night on a little cable oh Jesus Christ you know if that cable breaks or if we slip off and fall you're 100% going to die but we were doing it anyways cuz we were just young and stupid wow and you wanted to feel the juice yeah just feel the juice pre-war you know there's no war going on how do we prove to our buddies that we are brave and badass you do stupid stuff dumb stuff hanging off the side of a ship on a cable doing shitoo what is that rush like yeah it's got to be a crazy Rush right knowing that you can't let go yeah it's just dumb you know but what do you do when you're whatever 23 years old there's something that it like particularly in the human brain there's something that resonates about hanging from something

53:04by your hands like that's one of the scariest ones it's like Kingston is on this gigantic Crane and he's hanging on to the crane with his hands and then he does it with one hand he's hanging there and he's hundreds of feet up and if he falls he's just splatter he's just a water balloon yeah oh but there's something about for some reason like balancing is scary but hanging is really scary I'm the opposite for me balance is scarier than hanging I'd rather hang I feel pretty pretty good hanging we got a good grip yeah I don't I don't feel good about the the balancing cuz I think you know I could trip and fall that's it what's the life expectancy of Kingston not so good I mean he knows that right yeah he's got to know that he's a smart guy too which is really weird and really calm look at these oh Jesus Christ oh my my God this guy folks if you're listening this guy has a

53:59skateboard and he is on a a beam I mean like what couple thousand feet in the air holy it's terrifying I mean how many of these guys die it's not that many that's what's weird about it I saw I saw a video of one guy frapping in oh really yeah he didn't make it where was this I don't know some somewhere in Russia of course what was he doing doing this walking around up on some high area oh Jesus Christ this kid is oh J they get they get right to the edge with skateboards Barefoot what the dude yeah what is that why is it so did you talk to him about how he how he built into this did he start at 20 feet and then he went to 30 feet and then he got more confident no I don't think so I jean well he's got the he's a smart guy he's a weird guy because you meet him you're expecting like I'm going to talk to this methd out psychopath who just just wants to just get a juice Rush

55:01all day long no he's super calm and relaxed and normal it's weird doesn't make any sense but where did it start for him I don't know yeah I don't know he's got a normal family seems healthy yeah he just likes it people are weird aren't they they're weird yeah I mean Alex H you had Alex honold and you know we my fan we go up to Yos and stuff so we are familiar but you can see how he kind of edged into it right startes and get at it you're like what I can prob it to there without a rope and then next you know probably make it thereo and then the next thing you know you're climbing you know l cap 10 with no rope or half with no rope which is completely you been yeah completely insane to even think about that he does some insane stuff where you're going backwards like you're at a reverse degree you know like 15 degrees the wrong way like and he climbs up it to go above it and he's got

55:53no ropes and he's just hanging on with his hands it's like what the dude yeah he was telling us a story about one time where he's halfway up the mountain he realized he forgot his powder so he ran into some other people that were up there that were on ropes he said hey can I borrow your powder they're like uh you don't any powder like yeah borrow and he left the powder bag at the top of the mountain like yeah and I I heard him talking about it that he for him it's not a big deal because he knows how strong he is and he knows what his limitations are so it doesn't for it it's like he comfortable with it right he's comfortable it's like you know someone walking on a balance beam that does it all the time they're going to be comfortable with it and he's climbing stuff all the time so he's more comfortable it's still hard to get a grip on though it's hard to get a grip

56:36you know when I was hosting Fear Factor we had this one thing that we did where uh we PE had people hang from a pole that was suspended over this water and it was shocking how like the least the little amount of time the small amount of time that men in particular could hang from a pole like they were like a minute in these guys were dropping into the water and I was like what the like women won it yeah women won it because they have they they have lighter bodies so even though their hands might be weaker like and one guy was jacked he was like this football player looking dude and he didn't make it man he was like a minute and 15 in plopping into the water I was like this is crazy yeah I had I had a guy in my my Seal training class that was a big giant monster guy and he couldn't complete the obstacle course no you know too many hand strength there too much too much mass behind you that

57:29you're asking small limbs or small digits to control and then also too much of uh your heart has got to pump too much blood through that tissue there's like a point of diminishing returns when it comes to size yeah you know and that that's one of the things you saw when you'd see Cain Velasquez fight guys Kain Velasquez has always been in that sweet spot of about 240 240 to me is about as big as you want to get cuz the guys over 240 man they might you up in the first minutes but you take them into that fourth and fifth minute of the first round and then they're huffing and puffing and in the second round they're getting their asses kicked and the Kane Velasquez storm was the one of the more fascinating things to watch in all my years of the UFC because he was a heavyweight that had the cardio of a lightweight but he was again 240 lbs well a well marbled 240 lb not like he

58:19was a lean you know he had some he he always looks a little bit he at a lot of meic he had some rice and beans you see Kane eating lunch you would be like for real like you're like one of the elite heavyweights ever and he's sitting there with 10 tacos and and you know that's a talent too having that kind of sustained energy is a talent just like some guys are super flexible and some guys are super strong and explosive and some guys just have that they can they have that range and and what is it it's medium twitch muscles right it's medium twitch slow twitch yeah well no that there's there's slow twitch which is I'm a marathoner right and then there's fast twitch which is I'm an Olympic weightlifter but in recent years they've said there's actually something in the middle medium twitch which is I'm strong but I can go for a long time that's interesting I

59:03didn't know about that but it makes sense and that's what a guy like Kane is because Kane like you said I mean for him to be able to get in there and go five rounds pushing away pushing around another guy that weighs 260 pounds yeah that's beast mode right there there's a lot going on with Kane I think one thing is going on is genetics he has incredible genetics and they they like um Bob cook would tell me that Kane would be out for months like had an injury and come back and just outw work everybody like could just have insane cardio so maybe it's also that his Bas was so rock solid that his out of shape for 3 months is everybody else's you know Peak condition and it's one of the reasons why he was able to overwhelm so many people but also like when you see C execute things he's never straining like Kane everything is perfect technique there's no like there's no like grunting

59:49and forcing anything there's no like crazy looks in his face and like ah windmill punches everything is clean and crisp and it's all like very efficient efficient movement he's a machine and obviously that comes from training hard and is that training hard too hard has he been training too hard is that why he's all dinged up and missing fights because of injuries well there's also like the mind like his mind is so strong that he's able to overcome the feeling of pain but sometimes like Elite athletes especially Fighters they can't distinguish between what is just like dings like everybody gets dinged up but something that's a a significant injury like hey got a compromise in the structure of your body if you keep pushing it you're going to blow this knee out you're going to this disc up you're going to need surgery and Kane's had a gang of surgeries now

60:35shoulder knees back and now you know he's he's been out for quite a while with this uh most recent back issue so it sucks because in my opinion it's like him and Fedor you know those are the two greatest heavyweights of all time interestingly same similar body style 230 240 well marbled yeah yeah Fedor Fedor at his Peak had like the ultimate dad bod he had like a a dad that used to play rugby you know but guys up they'd post those videos though of him training in Russia running with his buddies and Swinging kettle bells and you like yeah this guy works hard oh yeah hard no doubt he just probably ate shitty food and tons of it you know but it's also like their methodology is just different I mean he was like very very old school with his methods like he was doing kettle bells back way before or CrossFit or anything came to America I mean there was an there's an old school

61:30picture see if you could find it Jamie back when he was jacked like he he got smaller as his career went on because he stopped doing strength and conditioning as his body got older and focused more on uh skill work but there's this ancient picture not ancient but there's this picture of him standing there shirtless around a bunch of kettle bells kle Bel yeah I remember that picture 2001 or something like that you know and the thing that I think that he really had was he had a good his skill in my mind was that he was really good Grappler he's a really good Striker but he the way he mixed them together you would see him just like hit somebody in the face and then Judo throw him and then arm lock him or choke him it was all just so smooth I don't think anyone knew what to defend because if they defended one thing they were get if they defended at a a

62:17grappling move they were getting punched in the face if they defended a punch they were getting taken down yeah he was something special man and you know he was something special for quite a long time too I don't I don't think anybody can keep going longer than like there's like a time that you can compete at the highest level some folks think it's about eight nine years that like and and after 8 nine years the highest level like nobody's body holds up he just all falls apart and you know as much as I'm talking good about Fedor and his style and everything let's face it what was the best about Fedor was his attitude when he would just come in there with no emotions just raise his hand Dead face you know they'd introduce him he just raise his hand he destroy someone and he would have the same expression on his face like before he fought he just had total absence of emotion that was to me

63:04that's what I always thought yes Fedor that's why Fedor is right up there at the top of my list yeah there's the picture exactly just jacked standing around a bunch of iron cannonballs with handles on them and those aren't some little kettle bells either yeah I bet that picture alone must have sold millions of dollars of kettle bells people saw that picture they're like I got to get some man but he also was very smart that's his brother actually he was very smart with his training where you know he spent some time in uh Holland him and his brother like way back in the day get a picture of his brother now get a picture of Alexander now he just got out of jail yeah I don't I wonder if he's going to fight again his brother was a bad too man he he was he's an animal he's got the uh there's something about Russians man for sure they're different kind of white people they're

63:52totally different they just they're so much different well it's the hard upbringing oh yeah man diamonds diamonds made out of pressure and the other guy that comes to mind when we're thinking about old school Fighters that really it wasn't just his skill set which was unbelievable but sakuraba cuz the way sakuraba his craziness oh yeah and just to go in there and just have that incredibly playful attitude also chain smoked and drank through his entire Camp chain smoked and drank yeah I went out with him in Japan after one of his fights one time really what' he do he was just getting after it but that attitude of not giving a is like that's what works so well for him inside the inside the ring yeah well I know we see this all the time with Fighters we see with anybody that is going to live out on The Fringe like that they're going to have some sort of

64:43offset there's there's another there's for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction right so you get a guy that's living that far in the edge like like sakuraba was that that edge just doesn't stop when he gets out of the cage right he's going and get after it more he had some horrible losses though he got he got you know used and and exploited worse than anyone else right I mean worse than any other fighter no one has been exploited and put into those horrible fights where he just wasn't out he was just outmatched he was old he wasn't trained right and they would just put him in there and just let him get destroyed well his knees were mangled so he would wrap his knees up like a mummy yeah they were horrible and you knew that that was a real injury like he had like he couldn't move so good his knees were all wrapped up and up and then they put him in there with

65:35vanderlay and vanderlay knocked him out what three times brutal brutal Kos I think at least twice I'm trying to think of his two or three times but um and then Melvin manov and he was Soccer kicking him cuz you could soccer kick and pride and stomp yeah he he had some really tough fights he's apparently doing aive grappling super fight now I think he's grappling he grappled henzo yeah in metamor that's right that's right I was thinking of uh you know what I was actually thinking of shinoki is gonna grapple with Gary tonin oh that'll be yeah yeah they're gonna have a straight up grappling yeah Gary's gonna him up most likely but aoki's good man especially now a but it's a big difference between guys who are good in MMA and guys who are good at like straight up grappling and and the training vids of Gary He's just like he's just training Al all he does he's

66:25completely obsessed with jiu-jitsu I love it yeah and he's doing rope climbs and he's just that's all he does he's also uh being coached by John donaher and he's a part of that henzo Gracie crew in New York City and that Doner death squad man you want to talk about a a a real like wizard of Jiu-Jitsu Donna her understand his Instagram posts are some of the very best Instagram posts in on the internet I even I got to follow him then oh you got to man his breakdowns of certain techniques and matches and what went well what went wrong and what's required of athletes and how to Excel and the difference between an athlete in competi ver a difference in training that's one of most recent things about putting your in bad positions and working on your weaknesses as opposed to just continuing to push your strengths yeah well that's a big one though the the fighters that

67:12are good in training but they're not good in their cage and there's other Fighters that are they kind of get beat up in training but then when they get in the cage they they rise to the occasion I got to see that a bunch with a bunch of different Fighters over the years that I trained with and you'd say ah this guy's going to do okay but then they'd get in the they'd get in the cage and boom they would just turn it on they elevate themselves and then some guys that are crushing everyone during training they get in the cage you know UFC fight night or whatever and they just they just can't they can't get it done that night even though they're crushing people in the training yeah there's so many factors right and I think some of them are also the ability to overcome adversity and with really talented guys they didn't really have to overcome that much adversity because

67:50they were good really quickly like guys who had massive physical advantages yeah and then for some reason you know once they faced other people that also have physical advantages but were tougher they would just go they just fall apart they just Wilt yeah yeah it's so common yeah you got to get that and and man we got some guys at the this guy at the gym right now who's just he's just a a he's a mutant he's a mutant like he's so strong he I what was it he shot on me the other day I sprawled on him and so he's on all fours and he's a he fights at 185 I'm on all fours and he picks me up with one hand with one hand picks me up and slams me and gets across side and I said bro did you just like shot put me right there and 's 185 what he walk around at he walks around at 200 205 you know typical up one hand one hand but not with his back but like with his arm

68:47you're going to see him Taylor Johnson watch out for him what is his background he wrestled he wrestled he's but this is the thing we know we know this right there's wrestlers that are great wrestlers and and they're okay at Jiu-Jitsu but they can't quite make that transition and their striking is okay but they can't quite make that transition for whatever reason whatever gift he's got he so the other day we were training and he's been training this was a few months ago he's been training for like six months right and he Dives for a camura on me and I you know I move and get out and you know we keep training whatever and we get done he goes man you know I just I can't lock anything up on you I just can't I I can't get and he finishes on you and I was like Bro you've been training for 6 months there's guys who been training here for 10 years that have never even attempted

69:34a submission on me and you're trying to submit me with my own move the ca I'm like bro don't worry about it it's going to come so yeah it's but my point is with him is he's an incredible athlete and he's got that work ethic too and so and he's competed at a high level in wrestling you know he's an All-American wrestler I think D2 though but you know nonetheless he Savage yeah PE there the ability to compete it's a it's an interesting ability like some people just don't have it or they or it's not even that they don't have it they lack the mental skills to overcome pressure-filled obstacles yeah and you're right and there's some people that step up when that happens and can you train to do that I think you can I think you can I think you get used to it you inoculate yourself to the stress it's just the mind so like you like the idea that these pitfalls in the mind are

70:24insurmountable I think that's that's ridiculous that seems to be more surmountable or more um more uh more passable than physical problems cuz like physical problems like if you're 140 lbs and a guy's 240 lbs if you're both equally talented and both equally driven boy you're you're kind of yeah well that being said it is similar to what we talked about earlier which is when you have somebody that's caught in their own mind they can't get the perspective to step out and be like dude just calm down just there's nothing out about you're going to go in there what if I lose it's if you lose it's no big deal we'll get around it we'll train more it's no big deal they they can't get over that and so you do get people that get trapped in their minds and I mean there's all kinds of Fighters that have gone through that and never came out of it well there's a really

71:08important quote if you win you win if you lose you learn yeah and so you always win and if you really can think about it that way every time you know I remember pretty much every time I've ever been humiliated on the mat every time I've ever been like really manhandled and tapped I remember them very well well and I also remember like every time I rolled with like a real highle black belt and got my ass handed to me my training jumped up a notch cuz like uh you know it's that expression the rub like you train with someone who's way better and you go you realize like oh there's a I'm whatever I thought was like a high frequency there's people that are operating like several hundred RPMs faster than that and I just hadn't encountered them y you know and I think that to be around that is so important if you ever train with a guy that like trains in a small town and uh all the

71:55people in the town is like maybe like a purple Bel or coaches and they have like a there's a a certain RPM that they all operate in and if you come in and you're used to that San Diego assassin RPM and they like what the is this guy doing like they're just not used to it they have or but if you come from a place like that and you try to train in henzo or something like that like you're dealing you're jumping into a a pit of killers like and that's you know that old expression iron sharpens iron could not be more true when comes to Jiu-Jitsu yeah no there's no doubt the better people you train with the better you're going to get and you got to seek those people out you know you got to not mind hey that guy Taylor that I'm talking about do do I like getting my ass kicked by a guy that's been training for six months no I hate it I hate it Taylor but guess what I call him out

72:43every time you know and I talk smack to him I don't talk a bunch of smack I talk smack to him I'm like hey what's up Young Buck you want to come get some of this every day cuz I want to train with him because he's that strong and I mean of course I'm training with Dean I'm training with Jeffy I train with those guys too but you you got the young buck that wants to get after it a little bit more yeah well also there's something about freak wrestling strength that's just it doesn't make any sense like i' I've rolled with some wrestlers before I'm like okay whatever you are there's there's there's people and then like there like chimp people you're like a chimp person you know like they have like when your body is used to from the time you're an early kid throwing bodies around like your tendon strength and your your ability to manipulate bodies is a very different kind of strength I

73:26mean it might not translate to a 40 yard dash or or Sprints or you know lifting weights but there's the physical ability to move bodies is very unusual yeah and there you always have to be careful too because there's been plenty of wrestlers along the way that don't do well in MMA they just they're great they're strong but I think that's a mental thing I think they have like some limited factor in their brain where they go they just can't quite open their mind to Jiu-Jitsu they can't quite open their mind to striking they can't get out of that wrestler mentality of you know this I have to go as hard as I can right now cuz in MMA you can't go as hard as you can right now for the whole time you will run out of gas especially with striking if you're if you're boxing and sparring with people and you think you're just going to go in and do that you're going to run into somebody who

74:14actually knows how to box and you're going to come home with headaches every night you're going to get very discouraged yeah it's a matter of who you're training with too like as far as your trainers like who's who's coaching you and what methodology are they use and what what mindset are they trying to impart on you as far as like skill development cuz there's so many people out there that just don't have like a real clear philosophy like they don't have a goal like in terms of like I want to work on footwork and avoiding certain shots and being able to move in better you know instead they're just trying to win every round or they're trying to you know push hard and then do you not get to the next level which in my mind when we get past the athleticism we get get past the mental overcoming of challenges and then in my opinion you get to the next level which is creativity yeah and

75:04that's when you get to McGregor right Johnny Bones Jones they're they're doing things that they're kind of making up yeah and they're making them up live as they go and I think that to me is is you know we kind of I think we saw it with BJ Penn back in the day he was creative I think Fedor did it where he was he was doing creative things but I think to me that's that's where you go that one level higher is when you add the creative element to a guy that can take A and B and make F out of those things somehow yeah and and when you watch those guys there's something about watching a Jon Jones or a Fedor or a prime time BJ pen it elevates you you watch someone do something special like that and you just walk out of there you feel like I know I can run faster than I could before I saw that fight I know I could I could lift more weights I know I could do something better just people I

75:55think this is a huge thing that one of the reasons why people enjoy watching all kinds of sports but in particular Combat Sports when people do something amazing and makes you feel like amazing things are possible yeah I actually I have limitations on that too because personally I'll watch somebody you know some random fighter or whatever and I'll say I could I could probably do that you know what I mean like I'm I'm I could do that as a good fighter but I could yeah I'm good at Jiu-Jitsu I'm pretty good I could I could do that and then occasionally I see a guy and I go no you know what I could not do what that guy can do and just makes me it it it's it's humbling I think it's humbling I Was You Know Jack Black right the Jack Black I was watching Jack Black the other day and you know I look at Jack Black I look at some I look at some actor right I look at Brad Pit and I go what what's

76:49Brad Pit doing I could do what he's doing he's talking on the movie screen whatever I know I'm underestimating this right but that's what I'm thinking I'm like you know I could do that but I was I was watching Jack Black and Jack Black was singing and I was like I can't do what Jack Black's doing right there respect and props to Jack Black the homeboy got pipes right he's got pipes and I look at the same time I look at you know at Johnny Bones Jones and I go I wouldn't have done what he just did I look at g at at McGregor and I go you know what he's got he's got some little spark that I don't have he's got a flare yeah yeah there's a flare that McGregor has that's half of what he does I mean he's unbelievably talented he's got ridiculous power but there's also this flare about him when he walks in there flinging his arms and then he stands there in front of his opponent

77:39and goes like that there's something about him the the audaciousness of his you know he's just so ridiculous but it really impressed me when he came back and beat Nate that really imp and I thought it was a very close fight I actually and I'll have to watch it again I I usually don't watch fights more than once but I know it was very very close Nate could have won that fight W yeah I thought so too but it didn't and even just as close as it was I was impressed that was I think one of the most impressive Feats I've seen as far as that mental game we're talking about to come back and say you know what I I'm going to I'm going to do it this time that he even wanted to come back you at 170 again that was at 170 right the second fight was too yes it was yes it was impressive it was very impressive you know a lot of people don't know that he had a pretty bad staff infection just

78:25a few weeks before the first fight and he was on some serious antibiotics and that's one of the reasons why he was so drained like people like oh he gassed out like if you've never taken antibiotics before you don't know how horrible it is on your gas tank it's one of the it's the weirdest thing ever like you could be in great shape you get on a a run of antibiotics and your body's just you got a thimble gas tank there's nothing left you got no energy for whatever reason you just can't push yourself through stuff and I think that played a factor in that fight and here's the thing about McGregor you never heard of peep about it yeah and if it wasn't for me talking about it most people wouldn't even know yeah yeah he's a bad and I don't know I don't I mean they said he signed the Floyd Mayweather deal really yep he signed when did that happen it happened yesterday he he has signed Floyd

79:10Mayweather has not signed they're negotiating theoy yep pure boxing yeah that's what I think like people look I mean maybe he's going to go full Bernard Hopkins just clinch and hit him in the clinch and tie him up and rough him up and and maybe that's the plan lean on his neck you know just fight dirty let him take points away who gives a long as you get disqualified don't like stand in the middle of the ring and try to Chuck and jive with them but the other thing is Floyd's not knocking a lot of people out you know it's a good fight in terms of like to see what the happens how much money is that going to make he's going to make a ton of money he's going to make some the he estimated I don't know if it's true between 75 and $100 million on him yeah good and then who knows how much Floyd's going to make somewhere in that range too maybe more probably more but I think that it's

80:01going to be interesting first of all Floyd's 40 almost 41 Floyd's maybe the best defensive boxer that's ever walked the face of the planet I mean he's right up there in my I mean you you go back to Willie Pep and a lot of the guys from the old days and for sure lomachenko today but in terms of like overall performance against Elite Fighters over the course of his career the guy's only been tagged hard like five or six times ever yeah he's a freak and hard work I mean he he's a you look at him he's throwing money around and driving Bentley's but that guy will get on the strip and he'll be running miles at 3:00 in the morning he opens up his gym at 3 o'clock in the morning just does 15 rounds in the back just he works hard y I mean I don't know if he works that hard anymore yeah that'll be an interesting one yeah I'll watch it I hope it goes down look he might get

80:50his Conor might get his ass handed to him but he might not yeah you know know he might tag Floyd I mean if he can Connor is very good at closing distance and snapping off like lead shots like that's one of the things that he did with Nate and he's a southpaw if he can just snap off one or two clean shots and make it interesting it'll be fun I don't know if he can I don't I don't know what he can do in straight boxing it's so hard to judge come on to judge without without knowing without seeing and if they do do it I think they're going to do it somewhere around September I think the idea dang Jesus Christ so what's he doing with the UFC until then nothing nothing nothing so the lightweight division is on hostage right now they're being held hostage like interim something or whatever well they were supposed to do that but khabib nurmagamedov got sick trying to make the weight and

81:42didn't make the weight what happened there Tony Ferguson and khabib were supposed to fight and khabib's liver shut down yeah he's cutting too much weight these guys they get too big you know they get up to 190 and they try to get down to 155 and he couldn't make it was he walking around at 190 I don't know that's what I heard I don't know what he really weighed but he's a bad yeah for sure khabib's grappling is so super high level I want to I wanted to see that fight so bad cuz Tony Ferguson is a Savage he's a straight Savage so him versus khabib like I watched that fight with him and Edson Barbosa again the other day crazy wild blood bath until Tony caught him with the DAR yeah it was a amazing fight like that's the guy I want to see fight a guy who's one of the only guys undefeated at the top level of the game which is khabib he's the only guy that's like a top Contender

82:33that's undefeated and has smashed everybody in front of him how much longer until he can fight again who knows if he'll ever be able to make 155 again who knows who knows what kind of damage he's done to his body in these rapid rapid horrible weight Cuts I don't know man I don't I don't know his medical history his medical history or his medical issues but I know before Michael Johnson fight apparently he had a similar problem he made the weight but apparently was real touch and go yeah can't do that no you got to cut your calories back cut I mean you want to suffer cut your calories back do a lot of running drop some body weight you're going to have to and it can be done it can be done you you're going to have to do it because this rapid dehydration you're going to die someone's going to die I mean the UFC's just passed some new weight cutting rules and new weight classes too

83:24this is from Andy Foster Andy Foster is the guy who runs California State athletic commission and he is such a animal Annie Foster is one of the most important guys in terms of like commission the guys who run Commissions in MMA he's like one of the most proactive one of the most knowledgeable and one of the very best maybe the best he's so on the ball and so he's pushed hard for these new weight classes and these new um weight cutting regulations and such a smart thing that guy's that guy's awesome man I like the 225 weight class even the 195 weight class is good they should do 10 they should skip 70 and do 10 every every you know like do 25 35 45 55 65 just go 10 every 10 is good 10 makes sense when you got like 70 and then you got 85 then you get 85 and 205 that's too many that's too many pounds what was I mean GSP versus what were they going to do GSP

84:20versus bisp you youve I've tried to explain this to people cuz I've been in room and stood next to those guys bisbing is a big big big man and GSP is a normalized guy I don't see how that fight was going to be uh fair you know well also bisbing is currently active GSB took years off bisbing is capable of fighting at 55 he says bisbing said he could make 55 wow yeah so if he wins at 180 185 he has thought about fighting either at 170 or at 155 like what the he's a big dude strong I've trained with him he's a big strong he's what 6'2 something like that Bisping yeah he's tall he's big he's got incredible cardio too yeah for sure he's a hard worker yeah yeah that guy is a perfect example of just like the ultimate like Bulldog mindset and just refusing and now looking at he's the champ yeah yeah and he took that fight on what a week's notice two weeks notice against rockle

85:21to win the championship yeah not even that I think it was a few days days I think it was like 11 days notice or something just being pissed talking to Dana White on Twitter cuz he was mad that GSP got a title shot and he hasn't earned a title shot yet he's like what the did GSP do and oh man the whole the whole weight class is in a flux there's a funny meme of uh uh because Bisping said that his his knees hurt because they said that the UFC said they want him to fight yel Romero because the GSP fight is off and he's like well actually my knees hurt so uh I can wait for GSP so he was like I can't really train right now I'm good I'm just going to sit back and take a little break so there's a there's a funny meme of GSP or of Michael bisbing in the hospital bed that says Bisping be like I'll just sit here and wait for GSP that's harsh man yol's a Savage he's

86:13terrifying but that really bummed me out when Tim Kennedy lost him well that was cheating yeah that shouldn't have happened it was cheating and that that was horrible Tim did a little bit of cheating in that fight too what'd he do he grabbed his gloves oh he's grabbed the inside of his glove and punched him in the face a couple times while he's holding yoel's glove oh but do but people show that in slow motion but what they don't understand is you're showing slow motion like it looks like he's holding on to it for a while and punching in real life it was less than a second or maybe a second and it's probably just chaos yeah and he's hold something just throwing whether or not he actually knew that he had his glove consciously the gloves make a really big difference oh grappling you got to train with them if you're going to fight with them you know securing chokes I mean even Damen Maya

87:01you see him get rear naked chokes with the hand on top of the head like old school Ken Shamrock style like he'll he CU he can't get the hand back there he just can't get it yeah and you people start grabbing if you get a guillotine and people are grabbing the inside of that glove it's hard it's a lot harder to finish stuff when people have gloves on well some people finish with it Josh Thompson used to grab his own glove which you can do you can get deep in there I saw him choke somebody out with that I was like oo you can do that I think you can grab your own glove and that makes a nice handle if you can slip your fingers in you have to train with them if you're going to fight with them you have to oh it's amazing how hard it is to choke people when you have those especially those Pride gloves the big padded ones MH even Marcelo Garcia was having a really hard time with it when

87:44he had his one lone MMA fight he had this dude's back and he couldn't finish them and a lot of it is because of those those extra pth they make a big difference they really do I don't think you should wear gloves I really don't I totally agree with you I think fighting if you could kick somebody in the shin to the face like you can Shin somebody in the face but you can't knuckle them in the face yeah I think it would be so helpful for all the head trauma that's happening if they took off the gloves and and you had to either strike with an open Palm or you had to pay the price CU I might hit you twice before I broke my hand and now I'm going to be grappling with you and trying to take you down I don't think people understand that that if someone just Ducks their head down and you hit him with a straight punch to the forehead you are very likely to break

88:22your hand I don't think you should be able to wrap your hands either yeah I really don't that would be awesome that would you should have I think you should have a cup on and a mouthpiece and shorts and I really think that's it I mean and people like oh you're a idiot you're a barbarian they need to cover the glove no they don't you're less of a barbarian you you make yourself you make yourself more able to hit someone and you don't really help them at all like it's harder to hit someone bare knuckle yeah like it's it's more realistic yeah it's it's it's it wish they would make that change I wish that would change everything how come you can elbow somebody but you can't bare knuckle them that's crazy your knuckles are way more vulnerable yeah like it's way harder to to get that off until you wrap it up then you make it like a cast you wrap it up and you get

89:09some you like a nice stiff wrist wrap where your rist wrist isn't go anywhere to wear buckling and flexing when you punch someone it's hardcore when they wrap up those hands boy like even like holding pads for guys when we're backstage getting ready like they're they just turn it up yeah yeah but they'll never make that change I don't see I don't think should and I think for really for the head trauma of the people that are fighting is the that's who really needs it you hit in the head all those times and it it's not good for you no it's not good for you and um again that goes back to the grappling thing I think we see more submissions I think it would be way easier to catch people with stuff like it' be way easier to secure Guillotines and chokes it's just you you you wouldn't have all these restrictions of having something on your hands your hands need to be able to articulate and

89:57move to secure certain grips and you it's you'd see a lot more submissions I think yeah it's too bad they don't make that change it'd be better for everyone yeah I mean I remember when I first started working for the UFC you didn't have to wear gloves vtor was one of the first guys to wear VOR and tank tank was one of the first guys ever to wear gloves and he wore those gloves that he was wearing were like old school Century martial arts Chuck noris gloves like nobody had even thought to wear those I think was like the innovator yeah tank was an innovator for sure then VOR innovated his head yeah damn man vtor in the early days I was there his first fight in 1997 the first time UFC 12 nobody had seen anything like that this guy comes in with his blazing hands speed built like a Greek god and everybody's like oh Jesus what do you do with this kid yeah yeah that was that was

90:49interesting and of course we all heard cuz I was you know guy at that time we were like oh he's only a purple belt is what we were hearing and they gave him his black belt just cuz he's doing this fight and blah blah blah he's only a purple belt and he comes out and just what is it 13 punches to the face B and then he did the same thing to vanay straight punches down the pipe crazy yeah when he fought vandelier he was wearing shoes remember that he was wearing like wrestling shoes it was all these wacky rules back then it's really interesting to see like from 1993 to 2017 how far fighting has changed how much we know about it now yeah I always say that fighting in 1992 was theoretical and and we you know some somebody will say something to me on the internet like hey you know what about this martial art or whatever and I'm what what do you think of this and

91:40I'm like there's no reason to theorize like not only do we know from the UFC we also have been now a country at War for whatever 15 years so all of our guys been going overseas and doing the same stuff on in combat so we know what works there's no there's no big question anymore right it's not like I wonder what happens if you poke a guy in the eye no we know what happens we know what happens yeah it's pretty obvious it's not good here's another thing like like Wing Chong and things like that like yeah that'll work if you the guy doesn't know what the he's doing and you chain punch them that it's not good hit somebody 17 times in the head when they're not expecting they' never trained before definitely not good very effective are you going to get that off on someone who actually knows what they're doing I don't know man you going to get that off on a high wrestler good luck

92:25hit a double most like you're going flying put your head on the curb yeah yeah it just it just seems to me that like did you see that video that is becoming a huge issue in China um that a Chinese taiichi Master tried to fight an MMA fighter and just got ablated in 10 seconds and this guy's had to hide this Chinese MMA fighter has had to go into hiding cuz people are offended that he battered this taiichi master and made their country look bad because it's making their their traditional Mar art look ineffective yeah that's not uh that doesn't make sense to me I don't know here we can watch this real quick but I don't know why the this guy didn't understand what was going to happen when they fought they sometimes I think they actually believe what they're saying this is so brutal though this taiichi guy what's really bizarre is taiichi is not really a a physical fighting martial art it's

93:18supposed to be something that's more of like a meditative it's like yoga yeah it's like a yoga deal it's supposed to be great for had one of my one of my buddies black belt uh guy named Jeff higs old school Jiu-Jitsu guy and he got told by a Tai Chi guy you know you can't take me down oh God and my buddy see that yeah I mean that guy just got obliterated yeah and the only way you can ever actually know what would happen if someone punches you in the face is to train that way if you just have these ideas in your head that you're going to stand in front of him this guy just oozing blood all over the place and he's getting up he's battered his nose is shattered he's wobbly I guess probably first time he's ever been punched maybe the MMA guy should have if he had a little bit more foresight on what was going to happen he should have come out and like really done the whole you know

94:07respect and then the bow and then all this stuff and then after defeated him should have helped him he if he maybe that would have helped him from a from a political standpoint uh but yeah because I wonder yeah but you know it seems to me that this is something that they need to see they really do because there's too many people out there that are just buying into this foolish well like I said so my buddy Jeff higs got this uh this I think it was an iido guy does iido people say chi and all that I don't know like have Chi they probably do depends on which you're talking to whether it was iido or whether it was uh taiichi I forget but the guy says you know hey I'm a martial artist and once I settle my chi you you can't even take me down so how are you going to do Jiu-Jitsu on me and he says well what do you mean you can sell your Chi he says you know I once I Center my chi and it's

94:55based into the ground you won't be able to move me you can try it if you want and my friend higs goes uh okay cool tell me when your Chi is all centered and the guy you know does his little thing and then settles his Chi and he says okay I'm ready and Jeff just I mean it's no big deal just hit a double leg on him boom you know you can't stop a double leg without defending it without spawn and yeah so he say the guy actually believed that right the guy actually believed that that's like a type of mental illness it is but I mean you know it's flat earth right it's the same I don't want to bring that up right now it comes up so often on these podcasts I've got a couple people that are you know now every time I talk about Jiu-Jitsu at all they're like flat earth flat Earth they believe it yeah yeah people believe it I get every day from people that are flat Earth supporters that are

95:45mad at me for exposing they just want to believe it that's real it it it is a a weird thing with and by the way one of the main guys who's into Flat Earth makes has a whole video about how Jiu-Jitsu doesn't work and it's about Wing Chong isn't it like one of his biggest videos on his page yeah yeah hilarious but there is something about people wanting to believe that there's Mysteries and secrets that there's like some secret power yeah like and that you know the idea that you could just Center yourself and a college wrestler can't take you down yeah that's one of my new things that I tell people with jiu-jitsu cuz I I used to say like jiujitsu is Magic CU cuz it kind of is you know when you know Jiu-Jitsu you can do things that are almost magic but then when you're teaching somebody for the first time I'm always like look it's it's not magic it's you know I I was showing

96:31somebody the other day a you know elbow Escape or something from the mount and the guy's like you know he's he's it's really hard to do cuz he keeps pulling my arm away you know and I was like yeah it's a fight you're in it's not magic it's you have to fight against the other person it's another human I just told him what to do and I told you what to do now you got to fight for it yeah you got to figure out how to get to the right position yeah is not magic but it is that people you know they're they're looking for Something to Believe In I guess and maybe they just want a contrarian Viewpoint so that's why they pick saying that the Earth is flat well I I also think it's it's sort of the same thing with people wanting short I can't believe I'm going down this road right now I just want to walk away the end of podcast I'm out people love shortcuts they love like like they love

97:16like throwing out the the entire Paradigm of modern civilization it's all based on a lie we're not on a Globe we're on a flat dis the universe spins around us like this is maybe you know you know people that just like to argue is this maybe just people that like to argue and have a contract that could be some of them for sure that could be some of them for some of them I think it's just that so is there people that straight up just straight up believe that the Earth is f 100% 100% in their in their soul yeah yeah yeah they really believe it but there's also people that join the Moonies you know there's people that join s Scientology yeah I mean look there's people out there that'll suck a dick if they think it'll make them live forever they you sure I suck your dick I'm going to live forever yes the knowledge will flow through you but you have to believe like

98:05yeah well down in San Diego I don't know what it was 10 years ago 15 years ago they had that Heaven's Gate thing where all those people put on those purple shoes they put on the purple Nikes and they killed themselves when the comet was flying by yeah and it shows you again you know now we're you know you're talking about the human mind is just so complicated and complex that it's grasping for Something to Believe In and some people aren't going to believe in anything yeah well you know it's one of the things that guy Richie brought up the other day about your book extreme ownership and it's one thing that I think you and I are are both really uh focused on is the way the brain works and the way the mind works and this is one of the things that I think that you reinforce with these big photos of your watch every day is like the mind works in very peculiar ways and you can and

98:51it's kind of pliable and you could force it into positive productive ways you can you can you can express yourself in these very positive productive ways and and and and carve those grooves of productivity and of advancement well it's what you're talking about we just talked about the Moonies and the Scientology where people are trying to do mind control and when I talk about mind control I'm talking about control your own mind yeah you know you can make yourself exactly what you're just saying you can make yourself and force yourself to do things and once you get in that Groove and get in that habit it becomes part of you and that becomes who you are and why not be that person than the other person that's not doing positive things yeah but people like people like to also pretend that the way they're doing it is the right way they don't want to be open to the idea that there's

99:41some other method that's maybe more productive or more successful well there's the downfall I mean and that's that you know again I I think this is one of the reasons why your show is so popular and why why people listen to you because you you you listen to other people right people listen to you because you listen to other people you listen to what they have to say you go okay that's an interesting Viewpoint haven't heard that before and you I'm the same way when somebody tells me hey this is what I believe I don't say well I don't believe that I believe something else I go that's interesting that's an interesting Viewpoint yeah I always want to try to see things from other people's perspective and it's hard because the brain wants to go this guy this guy is no you you're you're right dude this guy's wrong but you always got to like pause and think I mean again I hate

100:26to bring this back up but that could easily be what's also going on with the Flat Earth thing cuz they have this idea in their head and then someone you know there's no photos of the earth other than composits If there really was a around Earth you'd be able to see a whole and you go well actually there's a photo taken every 10 minutes from 22,000 miles away of the full Earth well well that's not true well that's fake and they get into this thing and they get into this thing because they don't want to ever stop and pause and look at the way they're thinking versus the way other people are thinking go okay did I get myself in a in a trap here did I get myself into an intellectual trap or I'm supporting an idea that's not true and now I'm reinforcing that in my head and I'm I'm tightening up all my my borders and trying to figure out a way to not let new ideas in

101:12and to to reinforce my old ideas you know your podcast with Jordan Peterson the other day he kind of brought that up which I by the way if anyone hasn't listened that podcast that's that's got to be one of the best podcasts that I've ever heard a mind unbelievable podcast and he's talking about the fact that sometimes people if they if they accept those new ideas all of a sudden what they've done with their life for the past 20 years gets thrown out the window yeah and that's got to be really hard and immediately when I was listening to that I was thinking to myself yeah that's that's what happened in the 9s when somebody that had been studying some traditional martial art God bless them they were doing the best they could but when all of a sudden some blue Bel and Jiu-Jitsu could come in there and roll them up and choke them out and there was nothing they could do about it

101:53and and they either had to do one of two things say okay I'm going to start training this other new thing that I don't understand or block it out which was very hard to do with jiu-jitsu I mean that's the good thing about MMA and about UFC is it was like you can deny it all you want but you have to face this guy on the mat that's the only way you can and when you do that you're going to lose whereas with all these kind of intellectual arguments a lot of times it's just I say you say I say you say and if you tell me you know if I'm telling you that every picture of the Earth is whatever CGI and that's what I'm going to hold and I'm not going to let it go and how are you going to prove to me otherwise and every single picture you show me I say no that's CGI and you show me another picture and I say no that's CGI we're never going to get anywhere I'm not arguing with you about

102:35it you're never going to tap you're just going to you're just going to Turtle up in a ball I I had to go through three of those man I because I started out with Taekwondo which was it's not like the it's not a good martial art for fighting it's got by itself it's got too many holes in it but it's a great martial art for throwing kicks and when I went from that to kickboxing I realized how easy it was to get punched in the face and I was like Wow and so then I started really studying boxing and I was like man my my ideas of like how well I can fight are so overestimated I I'm I'm not nearly as a I'm good at taekwondo I'm not good at fighting and then I started doing Muay Thai and I'm like oh well leg kicks Jesus Christ leg kicks and knees to the body in the clinch I was like oh there's so much I can I'm so you know because I got I got really good at something that kind

103:27of sucks on its own and then from there Jujitsu where I was just getting raped I was like at least with kickboxing I could throw kicks I could move around I could try not to get my legs kicked I could try to like be more mobile but when I was going into Jiu-Jitsu as a white belt I was just getting mauled what happens and I had to accept it and then so I I literally stopped doing everything else and they said oh I've got to get better at this no way I can you can't even start like a white someone that's never trained jiujitsu before is has a 0% chance of beating a a guy that's a black belt yeah zero like zero% chance they're not going to be able do it if you take somebody that doesn't really know how to fight against a boxer there there is a puncher's chance I mean there's a puncher not probably not going to happen but it's a crazy chance but knows it could and at

104:18least the the person that hasn't boxed before has some semblance of an idea of what to do block the punches from hitting me and try and punch the other guy when you don't know Jiu-Jitsu you don't even understand what's happening you're completely lost yeah and there's certain positions like if you get your back taken or something like that where you're almost 100% dead yeah it's but I think that there's parallels to that in life because if you look at life and you look at the way you're behaving and the way you're thinking and the way you choose to accept ideas and the way that you choose to view the world if you're so so rigid in your ideology that you're unwilling to accept any sort of new information and new data or any sort of contrary data or information like someone who's telling you something that you don't agree with but you you're going okay well all right well what's your

105:09perspective instead of just agreeing or disagreeing with them and arguing and going to war with them try to take it in try to go okay well what is this guy saying that has Merit where's this guy coming from or if I even if I totally disagree with him what what makes him think this like where what's going on in your head that you think that we should take everyone's money and distribute it equally across the country like there's people that believe that that everyone who's ever been successful somehow or another got it through stealing and then what we need to do is take all the money in the country and redistribute all this wealth so everybody gets $50,000 okay all right why do you think this yeah I want to know you know I I might I might argue with it or I might see your point or I might think that if you did do this but you still if you did this right now this is what I think if

105:53you did this right now if you took all the money from all the billionaires and all these Rich tycoons all of them and took all their money and distributed it equally amongst everybody in the country how long would it take if you just allowed normal capitalism to flourish after that how long would it take before the levels went right back to where they are yeah would it be 10 years would it be 20 how long would it take it wouldn't be long the way I explained that concept to my children was I said okay here's here's what communism is cuz this is what you're talking about I said let's my kids are really hard workers and they do well in school and I said you know you study hard for your test right let's say you get a 90 95 on your test and then what happens with Communism is there's another kid in your class who's the dumbest kid Billy okay Billy's getting a whatever a

106:4230 so what we're going to do is you're going to take the test and then we're going to take whatever points from you and give him to Billy so that you both get a d and that's what we're going to do now that's what communism is now if I do that is that going to inspire you to work any harder the answer is obviously no you're going to get a you're going to get a d no matter what is it going to inspire Billy to work any harder the answer is no it is not Billy's not going to work any harder so what we have is no one working and that's what happens in communism you're you're all just level set you're all going to get the same thing and that's why it's failed everywhere it's tried yeah it's not the right idea for just the way the human reward system works it's not the right idea for motivation it's not a right right idea for like the only way things get done the only way

107:25you get a laptop or a big skyscraper someone has to profit from it yeah they have to get something out of it and by the way someone has to make that happen someone has to be driven to want that laptop and to want that skyscraper somebody's got to want to make that and you're right for them to want it there's got to be some reward there's got to be some reward part of being driven is you got to have something to show for it so we got to be really careful that the amount of you know wealth that you spread around if you spread it all around you're going to end up with no one wanting to achieve anything yeah like I hear Bernie Sanders talk and he seems like a really nice guy and he seems like he really has his mind in the right place and his heart in the right place and this idea of democratic socialism see him talking to people I'm like well that's definitely better than

108:07being greedy it's definitely better than being corrupted by the Banks it's definitely better than being corrupted by Wall Street and giving these phony speeches for hundreds of thousand dollars and over people for profit but does that but does socialism really work it doesn't seem to work it doesn't seem to like work in terms of like human motivation it doesn't even work for for Bernie Sanders who has multiple homes you know he does I mean the guy's got multiple owns he just bought a house for you know $800,000 and does he open that up to the public to come and stay in his house no of course not so it it it's well that's different we're talking about a different thing I've earned this money serving the people yeah and EXA exactly right you did earn that money and if you want to go out and buy that second home on a lake do it good good for you Bernie

108:55but don't try and you know make it like that's like like that's okay to take everyone else's money they it will do it to everybody else but not to me no it doesn't work well the concept of income inequality is always strange because it's like well okay but you should you make the same amount of money for a job that doesn't have the same amount of importance and significant let just go ahead and straight up answer for you that for you no you shouldn't if if you got paid after 10 years of medical school the same that you got paid to drive a bus after you busted your ass and worked hard and had to study and do all the stuff to go to medical school and by the way you built up a bunch of debt trying to go to school hey why wouldn't you just become a bus driver well your motivation shouldn't be Financial your motivation should be helping people yeah I don't you you you got to

109:45be we we have to be careful that and and of course there are people that legitimately need help in the world there's people with with with disabilities there's people with mental problems and we've got to be compassionate and take care of those people to the best of our ability but we definitely need to watch out for hey let's steal everything from the people that worked hard and give it to the people that didn't yeah it just doesn't seem like a good idea it seems contrary to what we know about human motivation basic human instincts yeah and then where do you stop yeah where where do you stop legitimately like worldwide because we could distribute all the money and wealth that we've built in America and distribute it over the whole world well I think a better concept is figuring out why there are pockets of extreme poverty and how to mitigate those pockets of

110:30poverty that have just I mean generation after generation in certain neighborhoods it just been extreme poverty and these people that grow up there that's what they know they're sort of almost programmed into it because they're they're seeing it around them that is the the Paradigm that they they accept and it's very self-limiting in a lot of ways if you don't see anybody Escape or you see very few people escape it's very you you feel like you know resistance is feudal like what do you do you know there's a there's a and I wish I knew all the details of this but there was a Native American tribe and somebody I'm sure will will tell me what it is but there was a Native American tribe like in Northern California that when all the Native American tribes got designated as Native American tribes and they got you know here's what you're going to get and this is your tribe and

111:15this is these guys for whatever reason they didn't get it they didn't get designated as a Native American tribe they just got they got passed over no one noticed them and now all the members of that tribe like completely dominate they run everything financially they own everything up there they they kind of kicked ass right and it's because they had to and I think a lot of times when when people just get given stuff it becomes very very difficult for them to say you know what I'm going to go out and work hard you know am I going to bust you it's a classic example of hey am I going to bust my ass at McDonald's for eight bucks an hour 40 hours a week or whatever 30 hours a week for n bucks an hour I'm going to work that hard doing that or am I just going to take my welfare check which is equal to or almost equal to for sitting around doing nothing yeah that's not a hard question

112:03to answer for many many people yeah I'm going to sit around and do nothing so we got to be careful with that it's hard yeah it is hard it's it is a natural inclination that people have to do the least amount to to just be as comfortable as possible or as lazy as possible you know I think your your statement that you always say dis discipline equals freedom people should have that tattooed on their thigh you know you should look at that when you get up in the morning you put your underwear on like it's that is it's so important because if you do have discipline and if you do go out there and get the things done that you need to get done you have freedom and you feel better and you feel relaxed cuz you're not you don't have that balloon hovering over you that balloon of you know you know just knowing that you're not doing your best knowing that you're not out there hust Ing and if you just

112:53get a free check every month and you don't really have to go out there and kick ass you can kind of get by boy that doesn't it's not it's not conducive to lighting that fire under your ass that you need to be successful yeah and again I know I'm going to point this out for I think the second or third time today I'm no sociologist I don't I'm not some big guy that understands the mechanisms of the welfare state and all that I'm just going off of what what I think which is similar to what you're saying look if I was just getting a check for not doing anything I wouldn't feel good about it yeah you know I wouldn't feel good about it and so I I think that there are people that go hey if I can get free money I'm going to take the free money you know there is a concept of universal basic income that's kind of interesting though because this idea is that once we get Automation and once we get

113:40artificial intelligence that there's going to be so many jobs that don't exist anymore that we got to figure out what to do with all these people and the idea is if you just have your basic needs taken care of like not not enough so that you could actually Thrive but just where you have food and shelter how many people would then pursue their actual love and what what what they're actually passionate about and would it be the there's there's tests they're doing they're doing on it now they're trying to find out would the same amount of people be successful would more be successful or would less like how many people would pursue their dream if they knew they didn't have to worry about starving to death they just got money every month they got they knew where they were going to sleep and eat and then they could just go and do whatever the they want to do or would that just squash

114:26motivation I don't know I don't know what the answer is I tell you what I think I think it I think it squashes motivation for some right but would it for you if you got a check every month for like 12 Grand or 12 grand for the year whatever it is like I think that's the idea so you give people like a th bucks a year or a th000 bucks a month thousand bucks a month yeah maybe double that just enough that you could just get by but you know you're not balling well two questions number one of course would would I take free money sure would I feel good about it no number two where does that money come from right where does it come from because that's a thing that I also explain to my kids is that you know every time you every time the government gives a dollar to somebody they took that dollar from somebody else yeah so and it's you know it's that's the reality of it yeah then the question

115:12is like where like when a guy like Bernie made off or some crazy Wall Street character when they just move some money around and make money like okay how much you getting out of that like where's that coming from who's whose money was that like where's that go where's that going and how's it how does it exist well Bernie's a bad example right because he was stealing everyone's or the best example well okay yeah I'll give you that I'll give you that yeah uh but again those people are formulating companies and funding companies that are trying to grow and build and create things you know that that money it moves somewhere and it ends up you know investing in a company and building a company that's what that's what that's what America is right yeah trying to build things trying to make things yeah taking risk I wonder what is going to happen though when all these robots start big one is

116:03the uh the automatic driving cars and trucks because that's a huge you know you go to Vegas I always think about this when I'm in Vegas and you go to the buffet and there's like 10 billion pounds of food none of that food comes from Vegas it all gets trucked in there so at some point all those trucks are going to be driven by robots and that's not too far in the future at all I think they're already doing in Australia they already have automated trucks in Australia that are driving you know shipping things around it's going to get weird yeah it's going to get real weird between that and genetic engineering and all these different things that we've been talking about it's going to get really weird and I think again going back to the original conversation we started off with today I think the weirder it gets and the further we get away from Primal sort of existence of

116:46hunting down food and fighting against other tribes I think the further we get away from that the more we're going to have to reach reach back to it and ground ourselves to it well at the very least the more you're going to have to deal with whatever requirements your body and your mind have for difficulty I think we have requirements for struggle and difficulty because I think your body is set up to exp I think biologically we have certain expectations for difficulty and when you don't uncover those or encounter those expectations I think people find like a real lack of meaning in Str uh in this lack of stress this peace and that's why we're going to have to reach back to this physicality MH at some point and it's it's not just physicality like you're saying it's mental struggle too it's trying to achieve things it's trying to win it's trying to be competitive if I'm just

117:34sitting there and I don't have a job anymore and I just get you know 12 a th000 bucks a month and that's enough for me to pay my food and pay my rent I'm just going to sit there and play video games yeah I don't think that's the kind of existence I would want to live it might not even just be physical too I think it's just in overcoming and enduring and figuring things out like even writing book I'm sure your feeling like you just you have a new book out the way of the warrior kid and I'm sure the feeling that you get when you write a book and complet completed is I did it I I made that happen I didn't want to get through all those days there was a lot of times I didn't want to write but I got through it and here it is there's a satisfaction of accomplishing goals and of overcoming obstacles and problems and they don't have to be physical I think there's

118:16mental requirements that we have as well yeah I think when people aren't mentally challenged they just start to face and if you're not looking for the physical and the mental challenges you're going to start to fade so you got to be careful that why did you write this book well it's a kid book it's a kid book way of the warrior kid and the reason I wrote it is because first of all all the things that we're talking about right now they're happening even more to kids I mean you have kids right iPads iPhones they're sucked into technology and well there's nothing completely wrong with that but if they get sucked into technology and they don't ever come out of it you got issues yeah and being a kid if you remember and a lot of people forget this being a kid is hard being a kid is hard and in this particular book there's a kid his name is Mark he's in fifth grade he's got

119:09kind of the typical issues that a fifth grader has he can't do any Pull-Ups so in gym class when they're doing pull-ups he's getting made fun of he's doesn't know his Tim tables which you should absolutely know in fifth grade but he doesn't know them so he's thinks he's stupid now he doesn't know how to swim because he never learned and he's when they go on the field trip to the to the lake he doesn't know how to swim so everyone's having a good time and he can't and eventually they call him out on it and finally he's getting picked on by the big bully Kenny Williamson Kenny K that piece of Kenny Williamson so last the the the book starts off last day of school basically all these problems come to a head he's all bummed out crying behind the library goes home and when he gets home his mom reminds him that his uncle uncle Jake is coming to stay with him for the summer

119:58and Uncle Jake is a guy that was a seal in the SEAL Teams and he's just got out of the SEAL Teams and he's going to go to college in the fall but he's going to spend the summer with his sister and with his nephew Mark and so you know the the Navy SEAL shows up Uncle Jake shows up and he sees his little nephew and he says hey you know they're actually staying in the same room and he says hey you know what are you going to do tomorrow you you know you want to go play some ball you want to go for a swim and the kid says you know I I don't want to play ball it's not fun and and I don't know how to swim and I he breaks down you know getting picked on the whole nine yards and his uncle says okay so you can't swim you don't know your time tables you can't do any pull-ups and you're getting picked on we can change all those things we just have to get a plan put it together and make it

120:44happen so puts him on the workout program teaches them how to study teaches them how to swim teaches them Jiu-Jitsu if it was only that easy yeah it and what's what's good is it's not as hard as people think and I think that's why the book's getting a strong reaction because there's actually pragmatic methods in there on for instance I went through all this stuff not knowing not knowing Tims I went through that with my daughter my oldest daughter didn't know her timetables and what she thought was she's stupid she thought I'm stupid I don't know my time tables other kids know them I don't know them and I said to her you know she's crying you know she's in whatever third or fourth grade crying what's wrong I'm stupid why do you think you're stupid I don't know my time taes well how much have you studied them I I haven't studied them well well how do you think

121:31you're going to know them if you haven't studied them what do you mean study them boom make flashcards an hour later she knows our Tim tabls it's that and so I actually go through that method in the book how do you learn how to fight you're getting picked on how do you learn how to fight you go down to your your Jiu-Jitsu school and you started learning Jiu-Jitsu and you and I both know if you know Jiu-Jitsu in a Grade School fight and sixth grade you're going to win 100% of the time right so you learn you learn that uh learn how to swim how do you how do you do that and his big thing is he's afraid of water well why are you afraid of the water how do you overcome that fear how do you overcome fear you got to inoculate yourself to it you start off waiting in the water then you dunk your head then you get you know then you then you lay down and you feel the water all over

122:12your body and then eventually you step in and then eventually you start to dog paddle then eventually you start to swim and then eventually jump off the bridge so these are real things that's how you overcome fear and that you know that one I got from my my middle daughter who wanted to be in the school play but she got stage fright and so she would freak out every time she would have to go in front of a crowd so I said okay we're going to inoculate you to being in front of people first you're going to sing in front of me you know and then you're going to sing in front of me and Mom and then you're going to sing in front of me and mom and your brothers and sisters and then you're going to sing in front of you know our friends that are going to come over there's going to be 10 of them and then you're going to sing in front of you know all of the people that

122:51we know at had a block party and then you're going to get out and you're going to do your rehearsal and she did it and she got inoculated and I'll tell you right now she's not afraid of anything that girl and so that's the same thing that that he goes through in the book overcoming his fear of water he inoculates to it gets used to it and then finally the final step is you have to go right you can't overcome every part of the unknown you have to there's always going to be some unknown in doing something that you've never done before and then what do you do when you prepared as much as you can and you've done all the training that you can do then you got to step up and you got to go so that's what the book about and I wrote it so that kids can apply these things that I learned both in the SEAL Teams and in raising my own kids they can apply them to their life and the

123:30reaction's been great it's been great to see all these kids reading it and all the great feedback of kids doing push-ups and pull-ups and and training and going down and starting Jiu-Jitsu and making flash cards it's awesome that is awesome and one of the cool things about being a kid is you well it's it's a struggle in that you haven't really achieved any success yet in anything but what you don't realize is that you've got all these possibilities to get good at stuff like once you become really good at something one of the real problems is people don't like to get out of their comfort zone and become a beginner again yep and it's one of the beautiful things about life is humbling yourself with something new humbling yourself and learning stuff and and kids they don't have that lesson yet so everything is terrifying but once they do learn it if you could teach a kid how

124:14to get good at one thing like one of the things that led me to get good at standup comedy and all the other things that I did is that I got really good at martial arts young so I knew okay I sucked when I first started I remember sucking but I remember I kept working and I get good at it cuz I focused and I put the time in well if I just do that with anything else I mean you've learned that you you can make a path you can do it it can be done and that's that's you know that's kind of one of the main points of the book and when the kid finally does his 10 pull-ups that was his goal and his uncle says you know do you understand what this is about and this kid says you know well it's about I can do pull-ups now and he says no this is about everything about everything that you want to do in life you're going to have to work for it you're going to have to come up with a

124:56plan you're going to have to have the discipline to execute that plan and when you do that you're going to be able to achieve what you want to achieve and that's hard work hard work and discipline is what's going to get you there the problem a lot of kids don't have anybody in front of them like Joo to tell them well and you know what it's interesting so in this book you know Uncle Jake is the character and and he actually addresses that in the end of the book cuz Uncle Jake leaves and the kid says hey you know you're not going to be around anymore who's going to who's going to lead me who's going to help me train and he says you didn't need me then and you don't need me now you know what you need to do you know it's going to take hard work and the other thing that I did in this book which is I I I played around with the idea but his dad the kid's dad is not really

125:41present and and the reason I did that is because a lot of kids these days don't have a dad around and he the only thing he says about his dad I put one line in there about his dad which was you know he says my dad's gone a lot for his job and stuff that that's the only line so you you have an idea that the kid knows his dad knows that he's out there he's working or doing whatever he's doing but there's a lot of kids out there that don't have a dad they don't have an uncle Jake and that was you know another reason why I wrote the book because kids need to see and learn you know if you wouldn't have done martial arts who would have told you that hey if you work hard and you train you're going to get good at this that would have if you wouldn't have done that with martial arts you wouldn't have done it with stand up comedy you wouldn't have done it with the rest of your career you

126:23would have said you know you would have gotten on the stage the first time for for for standup comedy you wouldn't have made anyone laugh you would have walked off said I suck and gone to get a job you know down at down at 7-Eleven or or whatever you know that's whereas if you if somebody said look man of course you suck you just started of course you suck of course you don't know your times tables how would you know them you not born with that information of course you're not good at standup comedy you just did it for the first time you got to learn how to do it of course you're not good at standup fighting Taekwondo you've never done it before so you got to learn these things you got to put in the work you learn that lesson through martial arts a lot of kids don't get that opportunity I'm trying to give them that opportunity to learn it with this book and even for people that aren't

127:03kids like go do something you're not good at it's it's really important it's good just try something pick up a new hobby pick up a new discipline try learning how to play chess try just do something you suck at and let let your mind feel what it's like to be at the beginning stages of improvement again I think it's it's very invigorating not only that I mean factually that's good for your brain you know they say You're supposed to learn new languages learn to play chess learn to play guitar read new books you're supposed to do that stuff your whole life to continue that's that's what continues keep just like your body falls apart if you don't exercise it your mind falls apart if you don't exercise it as well yeah I definitely feel that if I don't do anything new for a long time I feel stagnant but when I start doing something new especially something that

127:49I'm not good at so I start thinking about it a lot I start obsessing about it a lot I get invigorated I get excited about going there yeah we and we saw the same like when our first book came out it's a leadership book right and everyone thinks hey you know it's another leadership book and then when you read it people go oh wait a second this is like a new thought it's it's a new thought I haven't seen before and we have these you know we we have these things that we do where we just bring people in like it's usually we go out and work with a company we go out with one company and we go out and we work with a company but we found that there was some smaller companies or people that couldn't afford to bring us in so we said okay what are we going to do about that so we made this thing up called the muster where we open it up to the public to come and you know come and

128:34spend two days going through all these principles and it's the same thing that you're talking about they say it's a challenge it's new thought it's thinking about something from a different light people that have been in leadership positions for 5 years 10 years 15 years and they go oh okay I can apply this new methodology that I haven't seen had thought about before so that continue to grow and learn is just so important across the board yeah stepping outside your comfort zone is just one of the most important things for a human being for whatever reason I mean I don't know what it is but I know what works and that's it yeah that's what it is man for me I'd like I I've got a bunch of that I do that I suck at right now it's it's so important man I just started running really recently like with the last couple of months I've noticed that you've been posting about

129:18that dude I suck at it I'm I'm so it's crazy you're getting a lot better A lot quicker though right oh man like your endurance jumps up quick like within a few weeks I was able to like way past areas like I've got this um this Trail that's about 2.7 miles through the hills like real steep hills and there's some spots where I was just dying and now I can get through them and I can get through them and get to the top and I'm still dying but I'm dying less oh you timing yourself too so you're trying to make the times yeah I'm trying to make the times and and then you know uh I started wearing a heart rate watch too which uh I let my heart rate get down like when I when I uh when I have to take a break on these Hill Sprints I'll get my heart rate down to 140 and then I'll start going again people ask me that too cuz when you get bored when you get bored of working out and also when you

130:10reach your physical limitations right so you reach your physical limitations on something you know like you're going to get down to a 6-minute mile let's say and then for you to take it past a six minute mile you're going to have to like stop lifting kettle bells get all skinny you know you'd go to a point where now that'd be your sole focus and I know I'm guessing you wouldn't want to do that I know I wouldn't want to do that and so for me I'm always jumping around from kind of from goal to goal right like I'll maybe I'll be doing pull-ups heavy Pull-Ups for a while I'll be doing pull-ups pull-ups pullups trying to get up my Max pull-ups and then I get to a point where okay now I'm I I'm not going to it's going to take every bit of focus in my life to get to from from 58 pull-ups to 62 I I don't want to do that so I'm cool with 52 and now I'm going to start

130:59working on my deadlift or I'm going to start training Jiu-Jitsu more I'm and I'm just con you do 52 pull-ups yeah yeah in a row yeah but like you know Kipping pull-ups not not not not just full dead hang pull-ups how how many full dead hang pull-ups can you do in a row uh I don't know probably 30 something damn dude that's a lot are you uh do you do any do weighted ones at all oh yeah yeah I do weighted Bel with the weight belt or do you you use vest I have a weight belt and vests so I have like you have a whole set up in your basement is that what I'm looking at yeah it's my it's my garage oh your garage yeah it's my garage which is you have a house gym right I mean it's a it's a game changer I hate to say it cuz not everyone can can make that happen people live in cramped quarters but man if you can even just get a pull-up bar and and and maybe a set of rings you can

131:42do so much and then you grab yourself one kettle bell yeah if you have a yard and you have a kettle bell you could do a lot y pullup bars are so gigantic well not really all you need for a pull-up bar is a ceiling no that's what I mean I mean it's so gigantic to have so huge to have for sure like you get and also it's so good for your shoulders just to hang yep you know I think and your back yeah but if you have a pull-up bar in your house you can do pull-ups you can do push-ups you can do squats you can do you know all kinds of burpees and everything else sit-ups and gut work and you can pretty much get your whole body in really good shape with that one piece of equipment yeah yeah for sure yeah so when you set out your workouts do you do you write them down on paper do you just have an idea what you want to do I do write them down cuz I kind of log what

132:29I'm doing but I'll put down you know whatever exercise I'm going to do or whatever bunch of exercises I'm going to do and I'm logging down what I'm you know what my times are if I'm going for time or what the weights are if I'm going for weight and I'm I'm pretty I heard this the other day so I'm going to say it um they said Arnold was an instinctual trainer so I I do that somewhat you know I'm not like looking at a book and I don't plan out for 3 weeks or a month in advance of exactly what I'm going to do that day cuz that day I might go damn I you know I'm not feeling that type of workout and I'm I need to not do it I'm going to do something else so I I use my what my body's telling me somewhat that's not to say that I go hey I don't feel like doing anything to do today so I'm not going to do it because that's actually a rule that I have if I don't feel like

133:13doing something today I feel like I need a rest I'll do something that day and put the rest off till the next day make yourself do it today and then if you still need it tomorrow you can take a rest but you can't take a rest today not allowed oo interesting do that to yourself you're Your Own Boss so when you write your stuff out do you have like a log book do you keep like uh so you could go back and track progress and you look at yourself y so like say if you're going to work out tomorrow do you plan it out tonight nope I know kind of what I'm going to do tomorrow tomorrow I'm going to do a bunch of ring dips I'm going to do a bunch of dips I'm going to be doing a bunch of uh parallette uh push-ups I'm going to do a ton of burpees and probably some that's that's going to round it out right now I I have a little tweak on my knee right now so I can't Sprint um like

133:59I normally would but otherwise I'd do be doing some Sprints in there too yeah Jiu-Jitsu tweaks right is that what it was yeah it was it was joints man it is and and but if you think about how much time you spend on the mat if if I would have been playing basketball or playing sock ride still get the same probably worse yeah probably worse ESP with relatively injuryf free and this is not a bad tweak it's just like oh yeah a little tweak well that's one thing that I try to impart on people too that like strength and conditioning training particularly strength training it protects the joints oh for sure and the back and a lot of other issues I think that is why I have been relatively knock on wood injuryf free because two two reasons I work out all the time and I never take like any significant amount of time off I never say I'm not going to work out or I never just fall into a hey

134:49I went two months or even two weeks or even 5 days for me to for me to not work out for 5 days there was some kind of like something happened I was like majorly sick or I was even if I'm traveling I'll I'll still get it done but I think that that consistency your body just is used to it and you don't you don't get hurt as often and you're like a hardcore metal guy right like what are you listening to I listen to you know I so I grew up on the East Coast listening to old school hardcore music yeah and and you know so metal and hardcore like the Bad Brains uh crom mags Agnostic Front just old school hardcore bands from from yeah from that guy John Joseph is a trip the head of the crow mags he's a trip man I watched his documentary about him he's in his 50s tapes up his ankles and before shows like he's warming up and stretching out does triathlons in between shows WR wrote a book called me

135:44is for he's a hardcore vegetarian he's like a hary Krishna deep dude the other guy the guy that founded that band The chromag he's uh he's actually a bud of Mine He's Jiu-Jitsu guy he's a black belon Jiu-Jitsu but he he's he's had a completely insane life as well his name is Harley Flanigan and he his life's been completely insane isn't doesn't even really uh doesn't there's Harley there's Harley right there Jesus Christ to a great picture yeah he's a maniac I I actually it was interesting cuz I just had him on on my podcast and it's it was a it was a different you know guest for me a different genre and people you know first of all the guy you know people that listen to my podcast um they expect a certain type of podcast right I'm going to talk about leadership I'm going to talk about the military and all of a sudden I bring in this guy who's been a

136:37complete maniac and I mean he's done you know he was drugs you know drug sex rock and roll it's basically been his whole life and since he was like 10 years old he was playing in a punk rock band in New York City when he was like 10 years old he was when he was 10 when he was 10 he was smoking where the were his parents uh his mom was a hippie his dad was a RoR never never never met his dad and he is just he just grew up in the streets of the Lower East Side of New York did you go to New York City in the 80s at all very little I fought in a tournament in New York in then 1980s and I remember driving there with uh some of the guys from Boston we were driving to the city and looking at it going what in the is this place and New York in the 80s is completely different than it is now it was really really bad it was filled with crime like 42nd Street down

137:29in Time Square and I when I was a kid I would go there because I was into this kind of music and I would go and see hardcore shows and metal shows and you'd get off the train and you get out in 40 seconds there' be you know every two steps drugs dust crack everything and but that's where he grew up basically without parents and then he's got a just just a crazy crazy story how old is he now he's 50 he's he's still training still doing he teaches kids class at henzo he's the kids instructor at henzo graci in New York yeah wow wow that's amazing yeah that's cool but it was interesting because I had him on the podcast and it was interesting to have people that listen to it that listen to my podcast which is very diff you know you bring in basically all kinds of you get all kinds of such a completely wide variety of people on here my guests have been basically War guys right Brian Stan Tim

138:25Kennedy jod midic who's Canadian sniper wounded real bad in in Afghanistan I had a guy named Colonel William reer on there who is a a pilot in Vietnam got shot down and got shot down twice actually captured in Vietnam was in in in captivity for a year and he's talking about he's in a in a bamboo cage with his leg Shackled and he's wakes up in the middle of the night because the rats are eating his wounds I mean I'm bringing on guys that are just talking about not not only talking about heavy subjects but they're also talking about it from you know a very uh positive perspective of life right I mean is there anyone more positive than than Brian Stan right that guy's just like a like a just American hero right and so then I all of a sudden out of left field I bring on Harley Flanigan and he tells his story it was really interesting to me to to have people's reactions and there was a

139:21couple people that were like oh you know this was a real let down for you to bring him on but if you hear his story and you listen to the whole podcast I mean here's a guy who who you can hear it in his voice like his his heart is broken over some of the things that he's been through in his life losing his father me his father was a was a heroin addict and and his father died burned alive in a dumpster as he lit a fire to try and keep himself warm that's how his dad died um his mom I mean it's just it's just a tragic story but my point is that the even though I had a very few people that were like oh that was you know you shouldn't have he swore literally hey he swore a bunch on the podcast that's inappropriate or whatever and then I what was really that that was kind of well that's that's kind of too bad to hear hear someone say that that they would have that viewpoint but what was

140:12really cool was all these other people that are very straight laced kind of kind of Middle Road American people that that listen to podcast were like dude thanks for having that guy on what a heart what a guy and it's good for me to know about that stuff and it's good for to hear someone that's been through the depths of drug addiction and Hell come back out of it and do all right and and again from my perspective I think that my interaction with those kind of people when I was growing up which I certainly had you know I was a young kid going to New York and Boston going to hardcore shows and all that it it'll let me see part of the world that most people people don't really see and so when I got in the military I got was kind of used to dealing with people that people aren't used to dealing with and I think it helped me out a lot so is it uh hard managing expectations once you I mean

141:02how many what do you do you have like 75 episodes up already yeah yeah that's crazy yeah last time you here you had zero zero I love it though you're getting after it it's uh and it's a lot you know my podcast is a lot different than yours because I'm going deep on some subject that I'm actually going to like I have to study and prepare for mhm and and it's not interacting with another person most of the time most of the time I'm interacting with history so it's it's harder for me to prepare now um of course you've been preparing for this podcast for 50 years right I mean that's what you you've been mentally preparing for getting your experiences and your background but I have to like dive into stuff and and so it is hard my my my my point is yes it's hard for me to do a podcast a week I got to read a but is it hard to manage expectations what I was getting after like because once you

141:49establish like a fan base sometimes they have this idea in their head of what the podcast should be to them like what they want out of it and then they they can express that they don't like where you're going like I don't like that you brought this Harley guy on this guy's not what I like I like straight La military guys who don't swear this guy's a a nutty dude jumps around on stage and the my answer to that is no and and I'll tell you why from the beginning of you know when you said and it was you and it was you and Tim Ferris you know both you guys said you should do a podcast and I said okay cool well to this day your podcast with Tim Ferris is one of my all-time favorite podcast I listened to it in uh in my I was I was cooking I was listening to my kitchen I was like Jesus Christ this is a good podcast it was intense you know and it was uh it was so deep and intense and

142:40I was like I got to I got to talk to this dude I got to get you on cuz I I had known you like from peripherally from Dean fights and I'd seen you around and but I didn't know who you were I didn't know your story until Tim had you yeah and and so you know Tim again when he when he pressed stop on the on the on the recorder he said you should have your own podcast and then you told me in the middle of the podcast you should have your own podcast and obviously when you two guys are telling me I should have my own podcast I'd be a complete idiot not to listen to you well you did and now it's a huge success which is hilarious I love when people listen yeah everyone listen to Joe um don't listen to me about everything though be selective I'm off and Rong but as I've done it I've done you know what I want to do and if people don't like it that that's okay I'm okay with

143:32someone saying hey you know what you're you know I did some I've done some episodes that were horrible man I talked about the Meli Massacre if you don't know what that is the Meli Massacre you know people talk about these atrocities that Americans commit all the time Americans don't actually commit atrocities all the time but we we have committed some heinous atrocities and this one is well documented Vietnam the Meli Massacre it was a company of soldiers going into a a village and they raped murdered killed around 500 people just cold blood I mean it it's it's heinous it's awful probably the hardest podcast that I've done because I'm a patriotic guy and here I am talking about you know American soldiers doing heinous acts to innocent people and and so and I've done that I did the I did a podcast about the genocide in Rwanda which was if you don't know anything about that two

144:33tribes and it's very hard for Americans to understand this the difference between these two tribes is nothing it's just two tribes they speak the same language they have the same they look the same they have the same religion which by the way their religion was Catholicism because they'd been like converted to Catholicism well they went on a rampage and the hotus which was One Tribe murdered 800,000 tootsies in 100 days with machetes with machetes so I've covered these dark and horrible things on my podcast and and I and I don't even know really 100% why other than this thought in the back of my mind that I've always had which is that you have to kind of understand the darkness of the world in order to appreciate the good in the world and that's why it was really interesting to hear you talking to Jordan Peterson because he he covered that part you know

145:33he was saying look man is got a dark side and you won't become a good person unless you understand your dark side and and it's interesting for me because Jordan Peterson is clearly highly intellectual and academic guy and I'm not right I'm I'm a nug right I join the military After High School and and yet all so many of the things he says when he says them I say oh yeah well that's the same thing I stumbled upon he came across that reading the the French philosopher or whatever that's where he comes I came across it in life and so it's very interesting to to to me when I hear him say look there's darkness in the world and there's evil in the world and we have to face that and and as soon as I heard him saying that on the podcast I'm like well that's that's what I think and I can't give you the philosophical basis for it like he can but I can tell you what I've lived

146:20through and I can tell you that if you don't understand the fact that there's darkness in the world and that people human beings are capable of evil things if you don't understand that you're not going to understand the the the first of all you're not going to understand what you need to look out for in the world and what we need to be aware of as a society and as a as a race of humans but also you're not going to appreciate things in the world that are beautiful and good and positive so with the podcast I'm not doing it to make people happy I'm not doing it to make people listen I'm not even doing it to make people listen I'm doing it because it's things that I've lived through it's things that I want to understand better and I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing and if people like it then that's awesome and if people don't want to listen to it that's cool too well at

147:15least from my personal experience listening to Guys Like Jordan Peterson or listening to yourself or listen to anybody talk about really deep important subjects even if you know what they're saying to be true it reinforces it in your own mind and maybe even opens up new doors of comprehension Jordan certainly did that with me when I was listening to him talking he was saying some things like you know like uh like talking about dragons and dragons have gold I was like who Jesus Christ like he he was he was hitting some notes about human psychology and the reason why we behave in certain ways and the pitfalls of these certain types of behavior that I absolutely knew he was right but and maybe I had even thought about them before but seeing them reinforced so eloquently and seeing expressed so articulately it it really like it it sparked life in in my mind yeah and even

148:08you know he was talking about being a warrior right and how these guys in modern times we don't we don't spend time being a warrior if you and I were living 500 years a ago you and I would both be battle scarred and we would be used to that lifestyle people aren't used to that lifestyle now they've kind of Forgotten what that feels like and so I'm that was my life I mean that was my life was to prepare for war and go fight war that was my whole life and so for me to look back on it now and hear Jordan Peterson to say like that's normal that's okay that's expected and it makes me say okay I understand now where you know kind of part of part I understand myself better when I hear him say oh yeah this is this is normal for guys to go out and fight Wars this is the warrior mentality and when you come back and you tell the truth about it people will react to that in a positive way

149:05that's what he was saying about you he's like hey look you're not you're not some you know academic sitting there reading a book and and talking about what you're reading in the book you're like no I live I'm a fighter I fight I've been through this stuff I've had physical challenges that's why people are are listening to what you're saying you know cuz you have that Warrior mentality in your life well I think that guys like Jordan Peterson I think that anybody that can tap into those truths that we know you know uh I just don't think we hear them enough I think we're inundated with so much stupid every day it's so hard to get to any like real substantial truths that will positively affect your both your outcome and your your outlook on life and I think guys like you guys like Tim Ferris is putting out all these amazing podcasts Jordan Peterson all these people that can express things to

149:58someone like this podcast literally has changed my life I mean it's changed my thinking it's I'm a a totally different person than I was when I first started this podcast because talking to all these interesting and Fascinating People and wise people it's been like having some crazy crash course in a Million different disciplines and a bunch of different convers and seeing the pitfalls of some people's thinking and and and being around people where you see the holes in in their their way they express themselves or the way they process information you know it made me recognize the the holes in my own processing and the way I used to communicate with people I'm just I'm a better I'm a better conversationalist now and it all comes from just having these intense conversations this this whole podcast thing is something that I never expected in life I never expected

150:52it was going to come along when it came along I never expected it would be something that I would do and I never expected it would be something I consume as much as I do I don't even have radio anymore in my car no I listen to music if I listen to music it's my music that I I get off of iTunes or it's uh something that someone like a new band that someone tells me or turns turns me on to but I don't listen to anybody like I don't listen to satellite radio I don't listen to local radio I listen to podcasts constantly 100% And and there's something that is and I know even I experienced so I what I'm 75 podcast deep it's been going for a year and some change but when people come up to me now they they look me in the eyes and they shake my hand and they know me they know you and I kind of know them too like they have these shared experiences with me and I talked about this on that on

151:47that podcast about Rwanda they talk about the fact that the first thing they do in a revolution in a coup is they want to take control of the radio and there's this great piece in there where he says they're talking about the fact that with with TV you have to take what the image on the screen in your mind your eyes process it and then it goes into your brain with reading you take those words and they go through your eyes and it processes and it goes into your brain but with audio there's no filter the words are good going directly into your brain they're unfiltered and so it's this that's why I think this podcast audio format is so powerful because the people that are listening to this right now they're sitting in the room with us they're here with us and when I'm recording my podcast I'm actually talking to them and they're there and when I go out and I meet people you can

152:44absolutely feel like hey and the the little inside jokes cuz even though my I'm talking about how dark and evil my podcast is but we we have a good time too we have episodes that are funny and we talk about regulars we talk about Jiu-Jitsu and food and everything else working out and we we we have fun too and all those little inside jokes people will say the inside jokes to me that I never met this person before but but he knows exactly what I'm talking about and and so it's it's a very very powerful medium that I think got skipped over and you know we we went from Radio just completely absorbed into TV and then absorbed into the internet and now all of a sudden we got to this other side where we're back to this thing that there's some reason why people used to sit around that radio and listen to those radio shows back in the day even I did you know when I was a kid for

153:30whatever reason I liked radio shows I listened to Dr Demento remember the Dr D show Dr D I would sit there and listen to Dr Demento and they'd have those little radio shows and those skits and that was a powerful medium and I knew it back then and so for for me like you you know as soon as as soon as you and Tim were saying you should do your own I was absolutely I'm going to do this and I'm going to every you know my goal is that when people press play on my podcast I want them to like be putting their headphones on and like stretching their neck a little bit pressing play and then and then just going okay this this is I want them to get absorbed in it that's that's what my goal well there's also nothing else like it in terms of like that you can have you only have one guy you work with right Echo Charles just you and him so it's you and him and that's it like there's there's not like

154:19a whole team if you had a the the audience that you have I know that you guys are a ton of downloads now so the that kind of audience if you were on a radio show you'd have a successful radio show so you'd be in a studio somewhere you'd have a network behind you you'd have to have production meetings you'd have to have a bunch of people that would tell you what the I was going to say I'd have people telling me what I couldn't couldn't say I'd have people telling me to stop you got to do an advertisement right now and no and that's the beautiful thing about it and you know we're leaving money on the table because right now all these advertisers that come to us and they say hey can you talk about this and can you talk about that and can you and they want to pay us money and I just like nope we're not doing it we have one we have on it because it's your your boys

155:02your company and you helped me in the beginning so and good products but that's it that's all that's the only advertisements we have not doing anybody else and so there's no one that can tell me what to do a lot that it's a beautiful thing there's a lot to that there's a lot to and also not interrupting your podcast as giant yeah not ever ever breaking up that thought know just keeping that thing going to the end say thank you very much y see you guys next week you know boom and I just think that people get locked up in this is like sort of like almost like a trance of the way you're thinking they're they're in joo's mind you're talking and they're thinking how you're thinking they're like allowing themselves to be taken on this journey whether they're in their car whether they're at the gym they're absorbed in your thoughts in a very unique way and

155:49because because of the fact there's not a whole lot of other people contributing and and entering into the picture you know like producers and network Executives and advertising agencies and look we've looked at the stats and Joo you've got to talk more about this and you know I mean you could get lost in analytics and never find your true voice but podcast it's almost entirely your true it's so it it's I want to I don't want to say low Tech it's not low Tech but it's low there's a small amount of voices you know in terms of like each individual podcast it's just your voice and it maybe like mine it's mine and the guest and whoever else comes in that's it there's not a lot of other intrusion yeah and that's where you I mean singular Visions is what makes some it's like there's a reason why Netflix does so well and a reason why a lot of these HBO shows do so well is because they

156:38leave those people alone they just go make us make us Game of Thrones we'll be back here go ahead what are you going to do you going to make a comedy special you know I did my last comedy special with Netflix they have zero notes for me zero I've never done a goddamn thing where they didn't say you can't talk about this you can't put that bit in it's the only thing I've ever done where they said we love it they're like that's it yeah do it go kick ass okay like literally that was it I love that joke you going to do that one I'll do it yeah I I actually told that to my publisher um about you know my publisher I was like you know what the best thing about my podcast is is that no I can do whatever I want to do I can do whatever I want to do and that's what makes it it's it's very very Li there's no me you write write a book you know someone's going to edit that thing and they're

157:23going to change this and they're going to adjust that they want the cover to look like this the podcast is it is just you and you know even the first my first podcast came out and you know my wife left listen to it and she was all stoked because when was the last time that you sat down and talked just talked to your wife for two and a half hours right it doesn't happen and my wife was like hey was awesome like she got to know me better been married to her for years she got to know me better because she got to sit and listen to me talk for 2 and a half hours and now she she's listening to every single one of them and she's she knows she actually knows me better than she did before the podcast started because I got a wife and four kids and jobs and work and travel and all that she keep I don't have time to sit there and talk to my wife for for two and a

158:12half hours hey maybe I'm a bad person but that's just the reality of Life yeah well you know what honestly when do you ever get a chance to sit like this across from someone and talk to them for 3 hours without checking your phone without anybody coming into the room without anybody interrupting you with something you have to do or someplace you have to be it's very odd and it's that's one of the things that I say one of the reasons why I say that it changed my life is because it educated me on other people's thought processes in a way that you just don't you don't get one-on-one dialogue with people in the real world and if you think about it you know as we talk about going back to these Primal things there's there's a primal thing about having human conversation and if you think about where technology is going we don't have much human conversation so you're 100%

158:56right not only am I not having 2 and a half hour conversations with my wife I'm not having two and a half hour conversations with anybody until I come up here and sit down with you or until I go into my podcast studio and I sit down and I have a two and a half hour conversation with you know a million people that are going to sit there and listen and they're going to give me feedback on Twitter and they're going to tell me this and they're going to tell me their story and it's it's very it's we're filling a hole I think there's a hole in communication right now because you know we text each other you know you and me text each other right I text I text Echo I text everybody I text my wife I don't even think you and I have ever had a conversation on the phone no no never that's that's the word world we're living in people just text weird texted we're good and I had like

159:39legit things hey I got to send you something yep here's my address boom y it's just like just like that's the way it is and it's totally acceptable but there's something missing and if we can't you know the level is like we're going to roll you know what I mean like that's the next thing is you train together but there's there's a there's a gap in in human contact right now in having conversations and I'm just thinking of this right now that this the whole nature of podcasting fills that hole and if you look at the podcasts that do well it's podcasts that are conversationalists unless you go with the podcast that's highly produced and they got they you know cuz like Radio Lab yeah all those ones that are highly produced and even the ones that are produced by you know NPR so they have real money behind them and they're they're a different thing but for normal

160:26dudes that are just sitting around and talking those are popular podcasts that's why Tim Sam Harris those guys are sitting around and talking and explaining stuff because that doesn't exist anymore in the in the day-to-day life for a lot of people you know what else doesn't exist in the day-to-day life what a place where it's okay to be a man it's actually okay to be a man it's okay to have man thoughts like everybody is so so toned down and neutered it's like human resources and and corporate life has watered down people's natural behavior to the point where people are just dying on the inside sitting in these cubicles rotting just freaking the out having all these thoughts they can't entertain having to pretend to be someone they they're not all day long putting on this way of talking this fake way of thinking everybody's got to subscribe to whatever ridiculous policies their

161:18company wants to enforce and you're just a robot and you get out of there and you just want to scream yeah or you want to listen to some guys talk about some real some real yeah and then go how come I can't talk about real you know that's another reason why I wrote the kids book because the kids book instead of you know it being about hey if someone's picking on you go and tell the teacher it's like no actually if somebody's picking on you learn to defend yourself and kick their ass if needed that's that that hasn't been said that's another reason I wrote the book I I went I've told this story before but I went and got some book for my kid when he was little my I have one son and three daughters I went and got a book for him it was like a pirate book right and I'm thinking cool Pirates are going to burn stuff take over Villages steal things this will be awesome and I read the book

162:05and it's just complete these guys are complete you know pathetic they're pathetic they're not they're fake Pirates they're fake PIR they're not manly Pirates right and I just was so embarrassed I don't know some I don't even remember I threw it away I threw it away chck pirate you know if you can't learn from a pirate that you got to go out and like Crush some things sometimes then we got to just check ourselves because guess what life is that's what life is that's that's another thing that we Shield kids from these days life is hard yeah you don't get a trophy you don't get there's no such thing as a trophy for participation that's fake it's a lie doesn't exist you can't learn your Tim tables guess what you need to work and study you don't get put into a special class and get a tutor and maybe you get a you know you got some special help to get no you need to work and make that

162:57happen you don't know don't know how to swim guess what that doesn't mean you stay away from the water no you learn how to swim you step up you man up that's what you do so that's another reason why I wrote the book so that people can actually kids can learn that life is hard and in order to deal with life you got to be hard yeah and just this idea that life is hard something you're supposed to shield from them it's so silly and you know I've had this conversation with my friends because uh everybody that I know that's interesting had a up life but but now we have kids and the last thing we want is our kids to have a up life so we put our kids in these good schools we live in these nice neighborhoods Everybody Eats healthy and there's no domestic violence and everybody seems it's it's so different than all of our lives and we were talking about it me

163:44and Brian K were actually talking about it like look we all had up childhoods and everybody we know had up childhoods and they're all interesting but I don't want my kids to be boring but I also want them to be safe so it's like how do you how do you approach that I mean I think you get well this what I've chosen to do is get my kids involved in martial arts and and and and give them the opportunity to pursue difficult things and understanding that through pursuing these difficult things like and accomplishing stuff like you you learn something about yourself you learn that you have this ability inside of you to overcome I I've got this statement that I made on my podcast about kids and I said if you're helping your kids you're hurting them and if you think about it right and the example I gave is like tying your kid shoe if you tie your kid shoe you're you're actually taking away the

164:34opportunity in their life to develop their fine motor skills of Ty of shoe you're actually taking that away from them and it's the same with everything make your own sandwich make your own bed clean your own room you need to do this stuff for yourself and when I'm helping you you're I'm hurting you so I think we can I think we can protect them without just completely coddling them and making sure that every issue that ever could present itself to them has been eliminated yeah because you're going to end up with some weak kids yeah and if those kids have to compete with some kid who's had to take care of himself their whole life that kid's going to be ferocious y yeah you're going to have a feral kid competing against your little soft fleece lined kid yeah that's why some of those competitive sports are are so important you know whether it's and martial arts are great wrestling's great

165:19Jitsu but you know football basketball anything that puts you in those challenging positions where you're going to have to step up you're going to get ground out and like my one of my daughters wrestles who and yeah and she is you know this is the same one that got stage fright and to see her step up and you know we live a pretty good life right I mean it's we live in Southern California we live in a nice house it's it's it's it's a nice living right it's a very comfortable situation some of the hardest times that she's been put through is on the wrestling mat and having to step up against some girl that like the exact girl you're talking about some girl from the bario in San Diego that's a tough ass girl that's been through the ringer and has domestic violence going on in her house and her one escape from all that is to come out and wrestle against some other girl and

166:06beat her down so my daughter has to step up and do that and it's it's an incredible thing it's it's it's incredibly powerful and empowering even I watched her change you know when she would be intimidated by in those situ situations to where now she's like bring it bring it I got something for you that's awesome man um we we're almost three hours in here so anything else you got a whole this you're the only guys ever showed up I think with this many notes yeah well so what I want to do is now if we can spend the next four hours going through my not we we hit we hit all kinds of stuff yeah yeah I was uh driving up here taking notes on uh on the Jordan Peterson podcast I think everyone should listen that's a great great podcast to listen to and there's so many points that he covers in there that are really profound and I think import important today but well

166:54he's dealing with a very unusual situation where those coddled soft kids are now in universities and they're trying to run the show with these ridiculous programs of inclusion and diversity and you know forcing their mindset down everybody else's throat it's really fascinating yeah it's uh fascinating and disturbing to see all that happening and it's really yeah it's it's actually disturbing to see that happen and see kids could be focused on such important things in the world and they end up focusing on something that is borderline in many cases borderline you know meaningless you know why don't let's let's move towards a real goal there's diseases to cure and you know good things to do in the world well you know I think everybody agrees that racism is bad and homophobia is bad but that's not exactly what you're dealing with here what you're dealing with is

167:47people trying to control the way other people behave and talk and think and it it might not even be in response to any actual real like negative things that have happened it's like they're trying they're trying to create negative things to battle that might not even be there there's just a a lot of weirdness today in this world and I think that to bring it back full circle a lot of this weirdness comes from a lack of true struggle like do you think that these kids that are growing up in Russia that are doing back flips off of the top of buildings are they they dealing with the same like uh you know diversity lectures and classes that they have to handle and I think there's an there's an intrinsic part of human beings that wants to be part of a tribe of some kind and wants to defend their tribe and when you grow up in a place where there's no real tribe then you

168:34look for one to latch on to and these people over here they have a cause and they've got a tribe and you can be part of that tribe and you can be and you then you can lash out at the bad guys and I think that happens a lot and I think it's uh it's unfortunately unfortunate because it really crushes you know individuality which is what I you know that's my kind of my Premier base you know thoughts are around individual Freedom right be an individual think for yourself free your mind yeah there's a lot of like comfort in those groups that these people belong to whether it's you know any kind of group whether it's a hardcore right-wing group or a hardcore left-wing group you get in you kind of know what the rules are and you play by those rules and then you you surround yourself with a bunch of like-minded people in an echo chamber who also so support the fact that these

169:20rules are the rules and we have to get these out there and like I think we just get need to establish there's a bunch of you shouldn't do don't steal from people don't rape anybody don't you know don't shoot anybody like figure out a way that we can harmoniously get along together without with each other you know and then just let everybody be whatever they are if you're gay you're gay if you like listening to classical music and and running naked through the streets I don't care don't me just don't you know don't cause trouble don't you know and again that's you're talking about individual Freedom yeah be yourself what I'm you know which which is what I like individual Freedom do what you want to do it's hard for insecure people to allow that to happen because in insecure people when they see individual Freedom that's contrary to what their own personal behavior is like

170:06they they have to question themselves and challenge themselves they decide that that person's wrong and these people are wrong and I'm right and this and this needs to be established and we need to fight and we need to you know go out and punch Nazis or whatever the they think they're supposed to be doing and just gets real weird man yeah it's weird than when that becomes your whole life and and and I'm sure you get this I get it a lot which is people on social media that want me to weigh in on this thing or they want me to weigh in on this side or they're attacking me because of this or they're attacking me because of that not so much attacking but people want me to weigh in on things all the time and it's things that I just say man this isn't affecting me and and not only that my comments aren't going to move this forward and finally I don't care about that thing I understand that

170:54you're obsessed with it but I'm not I don't I'm not obsessed with this thing that you're obsessed with so I don't even care that you're obsessed with it that's cool and when people ask me hey sounds good you know sounds go keep keep keep doing what you're doing sounds great not not my thing move on people get obsessed with things they won't even be obsessed with a few years later like hey man I got obsessed about that thing that you were obsessed with and now I'm like you no man I'm not even obsessed about that anymore I'm on to some new yeah go get obsessed with kettle bells and Jiu-Jitsu start that out yeah get obsessed with life Improvement find things that you enjoy doing that are difficult do them and get better at them seems so simplistic it seems like a ridiculous idealistic point of view but it's effective yeah you will be happier and you will be a more positive

171:41influence on everyone around you yeah for sure be nice to people it's not so hard Jo o willink ladies gentlemen uh tell everybody how they can get your podcast podcast Joo podcast is the name of the podcast it's available everywhere new book is called way of the warrior kid old book is called Extreme ownership you can get those everywhere they sell books the muster which is a leadership Event in Austin Texas then we got one in San Diego extreme ownership. comom for those two I'll see you on the interwebs uh go on Instagram and check out his watch Joo wilink ladies and gentlemen we'll see you soon later that was awesome