Dave Smith

00:01Dave Smith president of the Kanye West fan club is here comic Dave Smith on Twitter tweet him pictures of your dick he loves them I love Kanye and dick piics I'm glad we got that out well seriously dude thanks for doing this cuz I loved you on AR's podcast man you were awesome on it it was really cool it was very it was a a welcome surprise you know not that AR's uh podcast is not always awesome it's always awesome but I was like damn this dude knews a lot of political and you knew about the the Hillary Clinton thing with the uh rape uh trial that she was involved in defending the the guy well explain it because it's it's a up story and I don't want to get it wrong okay so Hillary Clinton this is way back when she was a criminal defense attorney she got a a child rapist off and a real bad one it wasn't one of those good child rapists it was a real like like Jared when banging

00:5715-year-olds like a nice guy who's making sandwiches you know gives you a little extra pickles you suck his dick but even like well I you know you heard like the the way uh Michael Jackson was accused of raping boys that was like the nicest way you could rape a kid it was like take him to an amusement park yeah talk nice the llama and the monkey all right child rape is bad let me start with that horrible the worst thing ever Kanye dick picks good child rap bad I just want to be clear on where I stand uh but so she so this guy uh um basically raped a a 12-year-old girl and really brutal the details of the story and she uh defended the guy and there's a there's tape of her in an interview talking about this years later now it's still it's back in the day it's when Hillary Clinton's doing like a Southern accent there's been like six different Hillary clintons that have existed this

01:50was the southern wife of Bill Clinton Hillary when she was uh when he was the mayor of or governor of Arkansas now days so was that uh early 80s yeah somewhere around that around that time period I'm not sure I'm not sure precisely where the tape is from um but she is I mean it's it's there's there's a lot of videos I could point to online that's I think strong evidence that Hillary Clinton is a sociopath I'm I'm personally convinced of that now I'm not a professional and I can't diagnose her but this video is really up I mean she's laughing about the details of the rape case and how she got the guy off and she laughs about how uh funny it is when when she basically admits that she knew the guy was guilty cuz she's going like oh we convinced the jury it was a big miscarriage of justice and she's she says that he took a polygraph and and passed it and then she says that forever

02:42destroyed my belief in polygraphs so she's basically saying I know this guy raped this this little girl but we were able to get him off and she laughs about having the the bloody underwear as the big the piece of evidence I mean it's really really intense intense awful and what's really really crazy about it is that in this world of like you know rape culture and social justice Warrior liberal outrage there is just deafening silence when it comes to the clintons do you think it's a lack of information because most people don't go looking for this stuff for stuff like what you're talking about most people have to find it on Fox News and go what outrageous they don't go looking for it because there there's a lot you'd have to look through I mean you'd have to go through all the Whitewater stuff you'd have to go through all that Vince Foster stuff you'd have to try to F there's a lot

03:30like weird stuff about them in their past that you'd have to sort through how much of this is legit how much isn't most people aren't going to do that and so it's it's not being discussed and you have to filter out like the just nonsense cuz that's that's the problem with where we're at now is that the truth is out in the internet but it's sandwiched in between a whole bunch of nonsense so you got to like get that out of the way yeah and the conspiracy theorist would say that nonsense is there on purpose yes that's right because everybody every conspiracy theorist as it turns out when I read more conspiracy theorists it turns out they were just working for the conspiracy yeah and they're against like Alex Jones they all think now is is working trust me Alex is my friend he's just crazy there's no CIA involved there well that's a fun thing uh when you get into

04:12stuff that people think is a conspiracy and then you're like oh no no no it's just a crazy guy well I've heard conspiracies that involve me and so when I hear that I go oh I see how you I've read some about me being a CIA agent like yeah what a circuitous route I took I went from kickboxing to standup comedy all the while secretly undercover for the CIA we're going to plant him in news radio and before you know it he'll be leading public opinion dude here's a even funnier one I have a Eddie Bravo thinks that it's perhaps possible perhaps that Laurel Canyon was all about uh CIA scops and Jim Morrison and all these uh music Musical musical I'm the middle of saying musicians musical powerful La pot um that they were all a part of some CIA plan to uh to like Institute the drug movement like I don't even understand the plan but the idea is that all these influential people came

05:04out of the this Laurel Canyon area and Jim Morrison's dad was in the CIA and my take is like Jesus Christ you know how much how busy CIA dads are they're never around for their kid of course their kid grows up to be Jim Morrison it's not that like the dad was there influencing him with a hypnosis uh one of those watches you are going to be the voice of a generation right no one engineer something like that all things being equal it's best to look at the the most simple answer uh right but razor right exactly uh I I do think like I feel like with a lot of those conspiracy theorist like my take in on it is like you you have like the government who it's almost like if the government was a person you could be like okay we've got them on murdering these 50 people and we have it cold hard they clearly did it and then you're like yeah but I heard a rumor that they also

05:56murdered another hundred people and like can we just focus on what we know they did right like we're slaughtering people in the Middle East we don't need to make up all this other nonsense just to make it like moreable well it's this this idea that we're being controlled that's the one that's the it's that's the overlying theme I guess or the over it's it's if you look at like all of the conspiracies whether they're Chemtrails or whether it's all about like engineering like global warming it's like geoengineering there's all this it's all about engineering it's all about people that are worried about Eugenics they want like Alex Jones says they want to kill five they want to leave 500 million people worldwide or something like that like they have this this number is it like whoa whoa whoa whoa are they going to be immortal like did they know what the they're

06:45doing like you you really you really think that this is a plan to kill everyone except half a million look I do think there's some really shady plans that are up there at the top I think what they get wrong sometimes is they think that um that everything that's happening was actually controlled from the top I think there's plans that people in like the Bilderberg Group is real that exists that's out there and I think they do want to control the world but I think more often than not they have like 10 things they want to do some of them work out some of them don't then they roll with the punches on that then they try to change things from there it's not as perfect as like everything they did worked out perfectly and was right but you know it's a little easier it's it's more it's more of a fun story if they're just just an ultimate control of everything yeah well then you have

07:32that number the 500 million number like why is how do you know that number specific this is what I heard 500 million oh wow wonder if I'd make the cut people start thinking about all the billions of people 500 million is not that much if you think about 7 billion they're probably going to kill all the Indians you know you start to think whether you could make the cut like am I top 500 million just start thinking if they're going to leave 500 million people on the planet there's room there's some wiggle room there okay you're going 60 comedians do you want to get in though I mean what are they going to do with all those bodies what are they going to do with 6 and half billion bodies how bad is the earth going to smell for like a month right yeah that's a good point it's a very good point have these guys thought this through I don't think they thought well not only that

08:15what if you kill the wrong people what if the people that you kill were going to figure out a way to cure cancer or get us to Mars or you know you just can't but that's why that whole that's why believing um which is a much more common belief out of the conspiracy thing but believing that population's a problem is is crazy because you said you never know when that you know they they'll like uh environmentalists they'll be like well if we have too many people then there's too big a carbon footprint you're like yeah except until we have the one person who figures out how to save all of us right and then that guy you know you need a bunch of people to get that you don't get that in a village with log cabins that's right they don't figure out how to fix the world they just don't you need millions of people they need to live in cities food needs to be delivered to them they

08:53need to be safe and then they can come up with ideas this thing is a game of numbers right you got you got have mad mad numbers man we got to throw a lot but oh I did want to address what you asked before La PO is powerful but what you said before when we talking about the stuff with the Clinton uh tape and you said why uh why you know is it that people are they need to find the information I think there is some of that right because say if if they made this a story on the news like if every day they were playing they it's amazing the power the media has to choose what story we're going to make the story and what story will maybe get mentioned here and fall you know Fade Into obscur so they could the media could make that a story that everyone has to deal with but I've found there's a a lot of denial like when I talk to liberals or or Hillary supporters and I'll bring that stuff up

09:43and there's a lot of like Yeah well yeah whatever exactly like whatever but the same people who are like we live in a rape culture and we'll go after like TSH for making a a joke in bad taste and then you're like well here's this woman laughing about getting a child rapist off foret some abstract contributing to rape culture contributing to rape culture getting a rapist who would have gone to jail back out into the streets and they so it's like to me a mix of the media doesn't do their job and then people are also kind of in denial well people are intensely tribal intensely tribal in their support for Brands you know forget about political parties political parties oftentimes like the most tribal I mean I follow people that all they do is mock liberals online and then I follow other people where all they do is mock conservatives and God they're so similar they're so similar

10:35same people there's atheism and then there's these people that are super religious there's all this God Christian stuff on the right and then on the left it's like atheism is their God and I don't mean it in their God as like it's it's an actual religion they're F I mean you almost kind of have to be in that group to be on that side it's this weird thing that's going on where you've got people that are subscribing to atheism nothing wrong with atheism it's not what I'm saying I'm just saying God is it's so Universal on the left that it seems to me to be a trait that you attribute with this tribe like almost you have to accept this trait right and then I I think and I guess that's maybe a criticism I have of uh like Sam Harris and some I know you had him on your Show recently but I think a lot of those guys who got themselves like in this Camp of We're the atheists we're the ones

11:25committed to rational thought and religion is terrible and now if the they'll look at things like uh the the wars in the Middle East and it just seems like to me it seems like they have a tendency to always try to blame the religiously motivated violence because I think they've kind of got themselves on like team anti-religion we're on team atheist so the Muslims have to be worse than the American Military because they're the religious ones we're like sophisticated and advanced and everything about the the US military is built on like science and reason and thought and the these are crazy Muslims who are just Maniacs so we have to blame them even though if you look at the numbers of dead it's pretty staggeringly one-sided like we're murdering them not only that we're also in where they live so that has to be taken into account well we had to get there we had to go

12:12there I understand but let's just look at the actual facts let's not cast any judgments look at the facts we are where they live um we don't speak their language we come in in mass and we kill a fuckload more people than they do and the a good percentage of the people that are in the military are Christian yes very decent size uh a very a very big percentage and then a very big percentage of like the hardcore supporters the people like who are really hardcore the Evangelical base that voted for George W bush a big part of that support is this goofy religious belief that uh we need to be pro-israel because the Jews need to be in Israel and that's what then Jesus can come back for us and if some Muslims got to get slaughtered in the process well this is how it's supposed to go so we got to protect that there's a lot of that weird on our side as well a lot of weird

13:00old southern money that goes into that yeah there's a great Vice piece on those people there's a great Vice piece where they um I forget you know Vice has so many of those online shows that are awesome it's hard to know which one it was but they went with these people to Israel these crazy evangelicals who were going back to the motherland and it's like they were like well this is where Jesus is going to Camp you know this is where we're going to set up his fire here and he'll pull his trailer in right here like they had it was almost like that in his head like he was setting up I got two Budweisers one for me one for Jesus when he gets here weird weird but you if you're on the right like even Gavin mckinness who I love I'm I love Gavin love Gavin I I Gavin's a bright bright guy but he's also a Catholic and he became a Catholic like late in life so I'm like what are you doing like what

13:50what is this like you it's almost like you have to be a part of something that's religious to get in on the right side like uh Glenn Beck became a Mormon when he was like 50 like hey dude come on did you even read it did you read any of the history about Joseph Smith being 14 when he made all this up and Magic sear stone that he had to use to read the golden tablets that contain the Lost work of Jesus that only he could read with this rock I'm torn between whether I hate Mormonism for that or I love them for that I'm like hey if we're going to let's just go like yeah Jesus he lived in Kansas I don't know he was friends with my grandpa why not well the American Indians were actually from Israel that was another one of his that this guy spent a ton of money um you know we were talking with when Sam was here the other day we were talking about how 15 years

14:37ago it was like billions of dollars to get your genome mapped now it's like a couple thousand bucks and we were talking about how crazy that is like what what an insane leap well a few years back one of before it became that cheap some dude spent a ton of money it was a Mormon to try to prove that the Mormon scriptures were in fact correct and the American Indians did come but we learned from that actually it's actually wind up being good for science because this guy spent so much money we realized no they actually came from Siberia so reinforces the idea of them crossing the land mass the bearing straight and and coming into America from Asia so they are Siberian like it's it's it's interesting like the the the merge or the um the movement migration of people from Asia to North America and down into Mexico and it's really cool when you find out that it's not

15:26that long ago you know few thousand years you know at the most 20 you whatever it was like during the Ice Age It's not that long ago man it's it's crazy that history is a weird thing like that like even when we talk about thing you know you'd be like World War II World War II was like that long ago your grandfather was there like that's that's that's just happened just happened historically yeah Vietnam and how about Vietnam there's one that the conspiracy theories can really grab a hold of the Gulf of tonan well yeah like what that's but that's my point before it's like why are we even wasting our time with anything else let's grab that one and hold on to that one that was we know that was uh tens of thousands of Americans died in that war let alone how many Vietnamese we just Slaughter just like Mass Slaughter that people made billions off of that was we don't need

16:14anymore like false flag attack yeah yeah if look it up folks I mean if you're listening to this going what you're sitting on your uh porch in Georgia with your lemonade hating black people just go online and it's fun I get it who doesn't want to sit on their porch with lemonade and hate black people I know I do if you if you really do read that story it's horrific and then you realize oh well this was deception was the rule of the land at that time this was when they had the operation Northwoods um thing that had been passed and if you haven't seen that document that's crazy they this was signed by The Joint Chiefs of Staff and then vetoed by Kennedy where they were going to attack American civilians they were going to bomb they were going to bomb Guantanamo Bay they were going to arm Cuban friendlies and they were gonna give them weapons to attack guantan Mo Bay they were gonna

17:02blow a drone jetliner out of the sky blame it on Castro and wind up killing a ton of people and they were doing it all just to get support of this idea of attacking Cuba so they were going to pretend that all these people died you know and and just you I don't know how could they take off in a plane back then sure where the Drone technology was at but this was the plan I mean it was it was a plan that I think Kennedy himself had to had to not sign off or whatever um and you know they took care of him quickly allegedly that's the other conspiracy right that's big Lee Harvey oswal acted alone seems to me to be even a dumber conspiracy than there was a bunch of people involved killing that guy I couldn't agree with you more on that one but it's it's just the the Northwood thing is just a fascinating you know glimpse into the mindset of the people who are who

17:51are on the inside who really do view the world as as pawns on on a chessboard and if you know uh if a lie is what it took to get the geopolitical result that they wanted and some Americans had to die or whatever that's not a big deal and and I think people should be aware of that like anyone a lot of times like you you were talking about getting in the team mentality people kind of have this team mentality and they're like well they don't you know if someone's willing to just slaughter people in a third world country to make their buddies Rich I'd be careful with them around your kids too you know like they're they're probably looking at everybody like their pawns on a board not just those guys yeah I think people learn really quickly how to disassociate they learn how to not think about that especially when you're using like drone technology and stuff you're flying a robot and shooting

18:38missiles out of a robot and you're watching it all on a screen how easy is it to distance yourself from that if you're the person not even who's pushing the button but it gave the order to give the okay you know and when I talked to I had Mike Baker on here who was a former CIA operator yeah I've been on a few Fox News shows with him he told me all that stuff is done by lawyers they all decide like can we do this can we do this and the lawyers h down they hash it out and they give him the green light or the red light I'm like whoa that is dark when you're leaving military matters and whether or not you attack with a flying robot to lawyers arguably the most heartless creatures we've ever created in our capitalist Society well that's who and by the way that's who's running government right all lawyers is what Hillary Clinton is what Obama is what Michelle Obama is what Bill Clinton was

19:23I mean that's what they all are they're all lawyers you know say not great lawyers there's awesome people out there that are lawyers that's not what I'm saying but even if you're an awesome person that's a lawyer you know some psychos let me tell you the awesome person who's a lawyer is the most adamant like do not put lawyers in charge dear God do not that's like look I'm a comedian but if you were like should comedians be in charge I would be like Jesus no we will we won't make it through this podcast yeah they shouldn't be in charge of anything yeah even comedy we shouldn't be in charge of yeah exactly can't be right because then you get like these alt rooms they get mad at you if you talk loud when people are in charge of anything they it up yeah oh but uh you were talking about the Drone Wars um there's this uh guy that's brilliant historian Tom Woods I don't know if

20:04you've heard of him but he's got a great podcast he's incredible this guy like the I to me like maybe like the smartest libertarian voice out there what's his podcast called It's called The Tom Woods show oh uh yeah you should you would love him I think uh he would be great on your show I didn't know he had a podcast yeah he's got a podcast he's just a brilliant historian he he Nails all this stuff but he uses this analogy and I love it uh he just goes so imagine we we used the own campaign like imagine we we fought crime that way so you know imagine there'd be like someone was like uh so we've got um two suspected criminals at a wedding in in you know California somewhere I go So the plan is we're GNA bomb the wedding I mean wouldn't everybody just be like whoa that's not okay you can't do that because there's there's innocent human life there uh but literally we

20:57that's just how we conduct the war war in the Middle East yeah but they don't it's sort of disingenuous cuz they don't know it's a wedding they just see a group of people gathered and then they know that the dickhead's in there and they want to blow them up and then it turns out to be a wedding and we're like oh okay so still put that the analogy say say that's how we we fought crime here we go well we just follow the metadata on your cell phones and wherever you happen to be we're going to blow that place up yeah that's what's important to point out too is that they're shooting at phones they don't even have a visual ID on the person they they find where the phone is they do the find my iPhone feature with the eye in the sky and then they launch a a aptly named Hellfire missile at it that's dark too that they have cool nicknames for their missiles Hellfire oh dude they do

21:47all this all the like uh you see like the operation names like operation kickass Desert Storm Desert Shield Jesus Christ just just 18-year-olds blasting DC rolling through some town it's like Jesus well have you ever seen those pieces that they've done on those kids that were were involved in like operating those tanks that would listen to metal I mean that's that's bizarre too you're letting these kids get jacked up on metal and who knows what else you let them have they probably let them have amphetamines they definitely let them have steroids they give steroids to soldiers that's that's common yeah there's a reason they prefer an 18-year-old to a 30-year-old I mean there's a reason they prefer you know someone who's still in just as good fighting shape or what you know essentially but but when you're 18 you're you're in a different place your levels are at a different place and

22:35you're you're willingness to follow orders I think is much is in a different place well you we're all essentially like you know older people being wiser if they've had enough experiences but we're all Gathering experiences Gathering experiences and then calculating trying to figure okay why did that go wrong what is that oh here's that thing again oh here's this oh I see how it goes you know that's why as people get older they get less and less towering of certain things cuz they see these things over and over and over again and they recognize these patterns and you get more confident in your assertion of that pattern cuz you're like I've seen this six times now I know and we's that way with politics too like that's the the common expression about radicals in college you know uh show me a young man who's not a liberal and I'll show you a man without a heart show me an old man who's not a

23:17conservative and I'll show you a man without a brain right because after a while you go oh I see you know and it's not black and white when it comes to that issue but when you're you're dealing with something that you know a human being that gathers up this data when you're 18 what do you got a couple birthday parties you remember first time you got your dick sucked was only 6 months ago like what do you remember what do you what do you have to base on what do you what do you know movies you watch a lot of movies that's probably what they're basing it on they think their life's going to be some Tom Hanks movie they're going to come back and cry to their kids when they're younger when they're older rather about uh you know I served the war serve my country did my country proud no you you might go home with no legs like you're in a crazy situation where you're killing people you don't

24:01know because someone you don't know told you you're supposed to kill people you don't know and a lot of them figure it out it's just they figured out when they see that real that you're talking about cuz you know there is also that's another thing that's very very downplayed but uh that should have been maybe the biggest story in at least one of the biggest stories in the last 10 years was that Ron Paul in 2000 in the 2008 run and in the 2012 run both runs he got more money more donations from active duty military people than all of the other candidates he got more than the all the Republican candidates combined in 2012 and he got he outraised uh Barack Obama both times so it's like there's actually a lot of people in this military in the military who see through this and were very happy to have like the only I mean Ron Paul to me is like the only politician on a presidential level

24:50in recent memory who has been unapologetically anti-war and not just not just like this hasn't worked like this is a Racket and started it yeah yeah when you get that many active military on your side you really have to really think well these are the people that are dealing with this issue it's a part of their life it affects their families it affects their friends their loved ones all the people they serve with the whole thing is it's it's it's so hard to believe that they've been able to keep this going for so long and this war with no end this war against terrorism is one of the most devious things because whether or not terrorism exists it certainly does whether or not we have to combat terrorism we certainly do whether or not we have to take measures to ensure the safety of the people we definitely do 100% but there's something really suspicious about an

25:38unnamed enemy or an unseen enemy or an enemy that's just terrorism it's like a it's like herpes just floating through all these parts of the world like you don't even have a we don't there's not even a country with a leader anymore like now it's just terrorism well it it works out pretty great if you're like a weapons company that's making more money than ever or if you if you wanted to keep this military budget you know I mean uh uh the you know people were I liberals were all outraged over George W Bush's military budgets and Obama greatly expanded those and uh so yeah if you're making tons of money off it it works out great to have kind of this vague concept that we're fighting a war against what you said I I do think terrorism obviously like you said exists I think terrorism as Pat Buchanan said is the price of Empire and it kind of always has been and this is what we're

26:24going to be dealing with as long as we want to have an empire in the Middle East right but now it's not that's not like a one particular enemy it's this vague threat of attacks by irrational people and then you see them scattered throughout the world and other places where they don't have the kind of security that we do right and so it reinforces idea our idea that the TSA is important and you got to get through that line and you got to be nice to these people even though they failed on like 95% did you see that test they failed 95% of the like fake knives and bombs these are all getting in they're just they're just feeling up old people yeah they they felt me up the other day did they D check my dick check my dick happened to me uh with the back of his hand he had to go up to both sides of my dick did he give you the nice exclam uh explanation about how he's going to do

27:05it sir we're going to feel with the back of our hand the guy who did it to me and like I said earlier I'm no conspiracy theorist but when they're like you've been randomly selected for additional screening and inside I'm like it was that last podcast huh I got I hit something is that what you think no I was think it some gay stuff well you know what he said to me what how weird this he goes uh no that would be that would be more uncomfortable but he said before he did it I don't know if the said it to you but he goes uh if you want we can bring you to a private room for this yeah they did say that I was like dude we're going to do this right here right now I don't want to do this in a private room yeah you gonna play George Michael music yeah it's um I don't know I mean but it's so convenient that they need the kind of security that the NSA was trying to get or the the kind of um um

27:50not security but um the kind of invasion of privacy the NSA was doing with monitoring your metadata and the ability to check your emails and the fact that what Snowden exposed was kind of everybody's worst fear about all this stuff was that one day we're going to get to a point where they're recording everything and you're always going to be scared to speak your mind in private in public with your friends because you think they could always here and if there's certain key things that you say that upset them well they could just Target you like they were talking about people in the NSA were actively targeting their ex's email accounts oh yeah and reading their ex's Emil emails but this this is just it's it's of course it's going to happen it's human beings it's you know a buddy a friend of mine like worked at a bank and he told me how they had a big problem with

28:36people like checking on celebrities accounts checking on other people other friends of theirs accounts it's it's human nature I think to personally I think the biggest thing that uh Snowden exposed more so than any particular program was that he exposed that that guy Clapper said you know Clapper was I think just uh six months a year before Snowden released those files to through Greenwald at the guardian he he before a congressional hearing goes there is no bulk Mass data collection and that's what's amazing about what Snowden you know showed you that they will just understand that they will lie through their teeth to you like they're Liars they're not like misguided or they don't know what's happening it's it's you know they're telling you what they think you need to know so they can get away with their and and that to me is is a very important thing for

29:25people to realize well that's the the real Insidious problem with the US versus them idea is that they're just people too so you have people that are operating these Mass surveillance programs on other people there's nothing like there's nothing essentially Noble about them they haven't passed any tests they haven't shown themselves to be some people that are devoid of jealousy and pettiness and clear thought always and they're just the smartest people we know so we give them this position because they're so they're like the Knights of the watch you know well right you just go oh the why over they will watch us they will watch they protect us you know I was arguing I was arguing with uh what's his name uh who you brought up Baker uh I was on a a panel with him on on a Fox News show and we were talking about it was the Apple vers when Apple versus the FBI thing

30:12which I guess is still going on but uh so I was kind of siding with apple and he was siding with the FBI and I remember baker said to me he go he was like Dave what are you worried are you worried they're going to be checking your emails or checking your you know like that kind of attitude I was like the FBI was spying on civil rights leaders being run by a cross-dressing Maniac like yeah I don't trust these people are going to I don't trust those people anymore than I trust any group of people yeah the fact that they think that that organization has been cleaned up like how much Jay Edgar Hoover and what they did during the well it's it's coming out now more it's really interesting the stories that are coming out now about how the War on Drugs was a big part of their plan to try to uh break down the civil rights movement and break down these anti-war protesters

30:58because this one thing they shared in common they were all doing drugs so they said okay this we'll just have a crazy War on Drugs and we'll just go in and get these people they're going to be smoking pile just arrest the out of them and just break up everything and they really did and it was it's brilliant in terms of like a strategy if you're going to go after your enemies I mean that's it's a great way to do it but we're still suffering the consequences of Nixon's actions from Jay Edgar Hoover's guidance I mean that that was all that's the whole pile that that was operating under yeah and then you get this whole like it spawns this whole system of mass incarceration and private prisons and this whole nightmare jover was awesome though you got to love a guy who's wearing a dress like crossdressing banging dudes keeping secrets and it's not like doing that today when it's cool

31:43he was doing this in a time when like if it came out people would be just I mean you're ruined well that was how he kept it all under wraps he the reason that guy was so into getting into other people's it's cuz he had so much to expose he's like well I can't let this get out I got to be proactive I just got to gather up data on everybody Elvis you know Jimmy pige he just went after everybody I also think that there's something inherently like if you're in the cross dressing banging dude scene you're going to meet other people with dirt too that's true so like you know the other guy who you're like hey look we both know we're in that scene together so you keep your mouth shut that's true too but I was like that's one of those things where people always say that uh if you uh are with a partner and that part partner all of a sudden starts getting like crazy

32:27irrationally jealous it's probably cuz they're doing something sneaky you know and what he was doing was sort of that he was Jay Edgar Hoover was a maniac and he was in charge of the FBI I mean he was just a Bonafide insane person but but like you said it's like who's to say they're cleaned up I think we always have this this like idea that we get comfortable with the up in the past so we're like oh this was so up but now it's not like that or anything you know we we love to look back at slavery or look back at Jim Crow or look back at something oh what were these people thinking but if you look at I mean mass incarceration for non-violent crimes or Mass Slaughter in the Middle East or any of the stuff that these people believe me if if all the details of what's going on came out in 20 years we're going to have the same attitude in 20 years and be like man some up going on in

33:152016 well you know what's interesting to me there's even tribalism in the government like the CIA and the FBI don't get along which is how um what's his name General um the guy who got busted for cheating on wife Petraeus Petraeus that's how Petraeus got caught the FBI was going after the CIA so not only that that's craziness so Diane Feinstein who is the head of the Senate intelligence uh committee okay so they're they're tasked with overseeing the CIA she came out and said that the CIA is spying on them like I don't know exactly how they figured it out but she came out and said so the CIA is spying but yeah this doesn't get big story on like a big story on the news the CIA is spying on the People Who oversee the CIA yes supposedly we have no clue Rand Paul came out and said something along the lines of he was like we don't even know who's running this thing when it comes

34:06to government so I I think the thing that Libertarians ran Paul said that yeah he said this like a year and a half ago when he was still doing well he actually should know that's why that's a scary thing like he actually should he's probably talking to people but there's also this weird thing where look I don't know exactly how it works but there's this weird thing where like they'll tell you stuff but then you can't talk about it to anyone if it's like classified so a lot there's actually congressmen who don't want the classified information because they want to be able to say whatever they want to be able to say it's a it's a whole cluster but I think this is one of the things that Libertarians uh at least the type of libertarian that I am like that school of thought really tries to emphasize ju just don't look at government as if it's a different entity from Humanity we're

34:52all people so it's like like you were saying before like the CIA and the FBI they're not one monolith it's different Power different group of people and yeah of they all are incentivized the way people are and they're a corporation like any other business where there's a bunch of people that are backstabbing each other trying to get to the top of the ladder so they're each other over inside the tribe y there's a lot of that going on it's a weird world man when you hear someone like Rand Paul saying we don't know who's running this thing that's the government the whole government of the United States he's talking about he's talking about the strings behind the strings and we don't know who's running it well I mean you see this this it's very interesting when you hear like uh like Hillary Clinton it came out in one of these uh in one of her last batch of emails that that got

35:39like released it it it was like her and her team were bragging about how she had convinced Obama to go ahead with regime change in Libya oh and it's like and it's like and then Gates comes out and writes his book and he's like look I was against it Hillary was for so it's it's just this like you convinced a guy and now this country is well she and all yeah and well also did you I'm sure you saw the time where she was being interviewed and she was laughing about Gaddafi dying we came we saw he died when I said there's there's video evidence of her being a sociopath I understand it's not Gaddafi didn't just die right before that it's not just that you're talking about a human being who died okay Gaddafi died the way that dictators fear you die his people got a hold of him and beat him and sodomized him to death he got like I mean it's about as disturbing as it could be what

36:35again back to her laughing about getting the child rapist off she then a few days later she's just cackling it up there's a video of a guy stabbing him in the I mean it's insane you've seen that right he takes that knife and he shoves it in his ass yeah while they're talking to him and Gaddafi is so up he doesn't even know what's happening he's like in a state of like shock or some going shock there's a knife his ass all these people have a hold of them they're all yelling Allah wakar yeah it's that's that's a bad way to go it's a crazy way to go I wonder if that guy with the knife in his ass I wonder if that would be like you know the eima statue where they plant the flag they'll make a statue of the one guy with a knife up Gaddafi's ass like that knif is over his fireplace right now in his neighborhood that will be like you know that'll be his Monument I mean it's

37:26my uncle he stoed KFI in the ass there's a video on YouTube show it Mama and she puts it on the big screen everybody watches it yes Meanwhile we're closing their ears and bombs are going off the background cuz liya is even more up now than it was then like that regime change was terrible for the people who Liv there oh it's not even you know I think we lose sight of it sometimes when you be like you know it's like oh well they're always up so it's a little bit more up but but Libya was by Regional standards one of the better places to be in the Middle East and it is now I mean uh a failed State it's I mean it's just run by Thugs and terrorist organ organizations it's it's a nightmare yeah it's a it's a breeding ground for Isis now yeah Isis is all over the place there now she's weird she's weird because she gets all these free passes because she's a woman it's

38:13very strange cuz she that's that's a a giant part of why people want to support her it's almost like you know we got one of ours in you know we're going to get one of ours in like my own wife wants to vote for because say she's a woman I go if you have PID attention to what a she is have you really read into allegedly I should say Mr Clinton I'm intoxicated I'm not for the things I'm saying I don't mean it I'm saying all this for humor she's I mean she's not the woman you want that's not what you're looking for she's not a scholar she's not a wise woman who's got some really kind words to say she's a lifelong career politician and like you said and that always I mean if you talk to any Hillary supporter it is only sometimes it's not the first thing they say but if you give like give me three reasons why you want want Hillary Clinton there one of them has to do with

38:59her being a woman I think it'd be great to see a woman do it for a change but it's like dude and and by the way that's what she runs on she runs on women's issues she plays that card all the time I mean she said like when Donald Trump called her on that she was like if I'm accused of playing the woman's card deal me in and that's that's her Cadence by the way it's just always this not as annoying you you need to be a little more annoying yeah no just the not the pitch I don't have the pitch down she she substitute having no Charisma with just volume like she's like I can just if I go louder maybe that's charismatic well she's she doesn't just have no Charisma she's oddly transparent in her creepiness like when she's doing these debates and Bernie Sanders is calling her out on taking all that money from the banks and how she does these speeches for quarter

39:44million dollars and he'd like to read the transcripts she's just sitting there while he's doing that just like this weird like sething anger you know she's smiling on the outside but you know deep down she could kill you like and she's going over her preparation because they prepped her for this so you know it come it comes out in this weird sort of robotic iido move where she's trying to push it to the side like it's a Thug and a stevenh Sagal movie it's weird man CU she doesn't really answer it it's it's it's in a way it's the only thing that I find a positive about Hillary Clinton is that you can constantly you can see through her and you can point to that and other people and go but see how she's full of but how about for the woman card thing just the fact that uh she's been taking like tens of millions of dollars from the Saudi government something like

40:31a hundred million dollars from Muslim dictatorships how can you run on the women's issue it's like being a Jew running on Jewish issues and you do business with the Nazis so she takes this money and does what with it well they they take it for the Clinton Foundation which is like her and Bill and Chelsea's foundation and they do all these projects and it's it's all kind of in the name of Charity in the name of philanthropy but it's pretty clearly like you get like the Saudis aren't giving tens of millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation because they all of the sudden decided to be really good people they're doing it because they know the clintons wield a lot of influence and this is their way of giving them money and the clintons can use that as leverage to justify their association with them because look all the good it does millions they can point

41:17to the good stuff but in the meantime they can also do all these projects and lots of different companies can make money off these projects and then they get in and we have this creepy business relationship with Saudi Arabia who is the worst of the worst like all the that we you know I love uh I love when the war machine whenever there's a war they want they get real humanitarian all of the sudden like when Obama wanted to go back in uh back into Iraq or when he wanted to go into Syria it's like oh these people are getting gassed or you know there's a there's a few hundred yeetes up on the top of a mountain and they could die but when when Saudi Arabia is slaughtering their own people when when Saddam was gassing people and we liked him that was fine it's only when when you're on the wrong side of whatever business bu deal we we have going on all of a sudden they're

41:59like but think of the people all of a sudden John McCain cares about Muslim people poker he's playing poker on his phone wait hold on let me put this down for a moment talk about the people yeah it's a little suspicious well it's less suspicious now I guess than uh it was in the 1960s and the 1950s probably before that was even more going on but it seems like it's more and more difficult to pull off the really obvious operation Norwoods type like there the transparency that we we're enjoying today even though there's still a lot of questions like what Jeff Bush was or what um Rand Paul was saying like we we really have no idea who's running the whole thing at the very top it seems like that's going to be exposed too eventually it's all going to get chipped away because information just travels way quicker now than it ever did before and it's just too hard to hide you

42:49know it's like that's it that force is on their side too though like we have that force of like information can spread but they also have the predator drones like there was no way uh a president in in the 50s or whatever could have just had the option to say bomb you know Yemen Syria uh Libya and Pakistan and all these different countries without sending troops there or having bases nearby so you know we have advantages they have advantages yeah but it's all what I was going to get at is that what's interesting is what we're seeing now from the like the NSA Gathering data on everybody saying we need it to keep everybody safe it's it almost mirrors like what Jad G Hoover was doing cuz Jed G Hoover had all that dirt on him and so to hide it he just went after everybody else keep everybody quiet keep everybody scared that mean you could make that same comparison to this strategy the NSA

43:38is employed look we'll just monitor everything and then if if I say oh this Dave guy's been talking a lot of let's check his emails oh it's G to go bad oh look at all this I was joking I just want to say already I was joking but you know what I'm saying I mean that there that's an Insidious sort of device that they can use to keep you quiet well how about the fact that you know in 20 years right if there's some leader who's coming up who who's a wouldbe you know some type of great leader they're going to have grown up just entirely in the internet age where that if you have all of their metadata history you have everything on that person and then they can literally just go like we want to ruin that guy yeah and everybody's got something that could be a an issue you could insert into a campaign to ruin them or you know if you don't you're boring yeah yeah that's right and then I

44:28don't want you president anyway if they can't ruin You by checking your emails then I don't even want you presid that's a great way to put it if if you can't be ruined yeah I don't want you to be my leader who are you you weirdo you Pious weirdo from birth yeah it's like you've just been clean like going like M I'll get power someday as long as I don't up at all now oh she looks pretty but stay hungry we taught him while he was in his crib keep your cards close to your test D but that's like the thing where they say that they said about George Washington CU they try to make him out to be such a great like his father was like did you cut down that cherry tree and he was like father I can't tell a lie you're like what type of creep was George Washington or maybe he had like a really open relationship with his dad or just a dad who loved him really cool and he knew

45:09hey man somebody chopped the tree down you got blisters in your hand what the going on bro maybe there's just really compelling evidence or maybe that never happened you know that's the other thing or maybe more likely yeah yeah I mean all these stories that you get from the 1600s like come on man those are barely people those are monkeys with clothes on they barely know how to write and and historians like to tell it as if they know for a fact what happens rather than just being like hey here's a nice guess at what maybe happened they'll be like he thought about going left but then he went right and just kind of like all right yeah I've always wondered if one day they'll be able to create a computer that's so powerful that it will be able to somehow through some unseen technology take account of everything that's in place as it is right now in in the world then

45:59monitor for a certain amount of time and then go backwards and try to figure out well all these things got into place because of these events and these motions and be able to recreate it digitally it sounds ridiculous right now but if we can get to a place where they can literally do an account of everything that's happened everything every Pebble that's on this Earth and go you know what we can extrapolate we can take all this data follow it for a short amount of time and then within the 99% accuracy go back in time and recreate events like that sounds so stupid and ridiculous but that might be like almost a method of a virtual time travel like just super calculation just take into account all the things that we do know all the pieces that are in place right now everything that's there all the people that are there and then figure out how they got there account for all

46:52factors yeah account for everything massive super calcul impossible for the human mind to even conceive of and then boom they have a digital Recreation of George Washington his sister lying about the cherry tree he was full of the whole black people on fire whoa George Washington was a piece of allegedly I don't mean that folks allegedly is an alleged George Washington allegedly piece of be incredible I mean if they could literally get to a position where they could do a calculation that's so complete that they could feed it into some sort of a you know someday created virtual reality machine that will give you like a version of that you can go back and watch the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs if if humans can manage to not like destroy ourselves or we don't have some asteroid reset or something like that we're going to do magical like that I'm sure I mean we're we're already

47:46doing magic compared to what we could do a 100 years ago so I mean we're going to it's the thing is you can never predict what it would be exactly like you can never stand back and you know you can't stand back back in the year like 1850 and going to be like it'll be metal machines running on dinosaur juice you know like you just wouldn't know but uh we'll be doing some magical well Sam Harris was talking about it and it was freaking me out because he was talking about the power that computers are going to have once they once artificial intelligence becomes sentient the power that they're going to have to improve upon themselves and how quickly that's going to take place where thousands of years of progress is going to take place in a week and you're like wait wait wait wait what and then it's just from there each each time they improve it improves exponentially

48:32thousands more years maybe in an hour thousands more years in a couple of seconds it's just going to get to some insane place where he's saying they're reasonably certain that one day we'll have a machine it's like an atom machine that you could shoot out into the universe and given an amount of time extracting all the building materials it needs from the sky it'll make a planet it'll make a planet and inhabit that planet with intelligent life and then we can go there and it'll be like Miami in the sky we'll go there there'll be I mean literally you could create anything like we might already be living in it this is how we all got here that's one of Elon musk's more recent talks he talked about that but a lot of people have been saying that for a long time that it's it's potentially possible that one day we're going to have an artificial reality that's IND

49:19indecipherable you or or or in you can't tell the difference between what is fake and what is real you will not be able to distinguish it it it will be so good that it will be just like life so if that's the case how do you know that you're not already in it right you don't you know and it's it's all it's all mumbo jumbo right now unless you think that it could have already happened then it's not mumbo jumbo and if Harris is right the real problem with that and this is not even his ideas this is all these people that are really at the Forefront of all this technology we're going to be we're not we're not going to be but something is going to be a God I mean it literally is going to be able to create worlds yeah it's potentially possible that one day they're going to have something that could create a universe yeah I mean look I I think there's there's a an argument that

50:07that's how we're created I mean we're here like we are here we do exist and truthfully in The reductionist Atheist scientific way of looking at it there's no good reason for that but of course there is see I don't buy that because the universe is filled with magical like why wouldn't people be here like look at look at supernovas look at black holes absorbing galaxies look at I mean look at solar storms look at flares look at this ball of fire that's in the sky that's a million times bigger than us why is it so weird that people exist the whole thing is Madness well that's well that's I guess yeah I agree with you I'm just saying the whole thing is magical already so what's the what's you know it it it's more why are humans more magic we're not anym magic than everything that's already out there how about the Big Bang the whole thing is based on Magic yeah the the whole

50:56universe the idea of something being created from nothing small than the head of a pin and for whatever reason instantaneously explodes to to create all the mass both seen and unseen that's in the Galaxy including dark matter you get to a conversation with this point where we show we almost should just come back to just being religious like let's just follow the book I'm saying like Mormonism where it's so dumb that it's kind of comforting that you might be beating everyone yeah that all these other people like join in on this dumb and you all agree and you call each other elders and you're only 12 there's something about just belief though like like belief might be beating skepticism of just just the way I mean I know they do these things where they measure how your brain acts when those people are like speaking in tongues and stuff and you go to some weird place and just

51:42convincing yourself to be certain yeah of what this existence is might just put you on a whole different level it's like oh it doesn't even matter what you're believing in you're just as long as you're believing right well it exists in a really practical form in fighting I know you're you're a big MMA fan it exists in a really practical form in fighting because you know when I um when I was coaching young people back uh during the uh Taekwondo competing days um I coached a lot of young people and I brought a lot of people to tournaments and stuff like that a lot of students and one of the things that I found was that smarter people had a harder time with competing like uh like a lot of like the really smart people that I talked to and and then I would try to talk to them about it and what I realized is they're more aware of the variables they're more aware of what

52:26could go wrong and that would create anxiety and it was very difficult to get people to just like okay you have to stay on the path of what you're trying to do you can't look off to the side of the road the fact that this cliff goes a th000 feet down to the bottom of the canyon you can't look at that you got to look on the road just the road and for a lot of smart people they're like what if I get hit what happens if you get hit like oh well you're if you get kicked in the face yeah don't get kicked in the face keep your hands up you got to move and um dumb people were like convinced that they were going to be fine and I would I was always fascinated by that I was like this is weird because what's interesting is when the dumb people lost it was way more difficult for them to rebound whereas the smart people lost and they go all right well I saw that coming now I have

53:09to decide whether or not I still want to compete is this the risk I still want to take now aware the consequences I knew it was coming so what technically went wrong and how am I physically and you would see people that were intelligent rebound and they would figure out a way to overcome the challenge or try to at least whereas a lot of smart people or a lot dumb people rather were devastated by losses cuz it's almost like you took away that simple belief of theirs now they have to you know this one guy I remember he was talking about how he was such a good person I can't believe this you know I I follow the Lord's word I'm a good person why God do this to me I was like oh no now he's questioning his very existence yeah that's rough that's a weird thing to see someone have that because there's a there's an amazing like confidence that you have to have or like uh at least you have to get

53:54yourself to that place to like you know compete in MMA like you said without looking at the side of the road and when you see that broken I mean I saw that uh that Ellen interview with Ronda Rousey yeah that was so crazy to me that really made me go like maybe she shouldn't fight for a little while like I don't know if like she needs some more time off cuz this she went from being the like I'm GNA kill everyone no one has a right to beat me don't be a b nothing and and being that chick to being like uh I wanted to kill myself I got to just have Travis Brown's babies and I was like whoa she's gone from being this like Untouchable mhm I mean not even like she was like the best female fighter it was like don't even she's wrecking chicks in a second MH and then to seeing her kind of broken well what's interesting is these themes play themselves out over and over again and The Traps are all

54:42there but everybody keeps going for the candy and they keep getting caught in the traps the traps of Hollywood are always there for any Superstar athlete especially Fighters and you know we've seen it all throughout history with Tommy Morrison gets in the Rocky movie and all a sudden everybody's looking at him like Tommy marson's going to be the White Hope and then Ray Mercer beats the living out of him and you just saw like fear and overwhelming anxiety attack him cuz he's in this movie and he's on the red carpet and everybody's saying you're going to be the champ one day hone he's like oh and then it becomes this whole thing he's hanging with Sylvester Stallone they're probably doing blow and banging hookers allegedly allegedly but you know what I mean it's like it becomes this Hollywood trap and Ronda was a and still is a giant Superstar right she's this undefeated

55:28women's fighter she's crushing all the competition she looks like a destroyer and then the traps this all these movies start coming out all this all these deals start getting made books start getting written all these television shows and all this stuff and all the traps and all those traps they keep your focus they they steal little bits of your focus like I'm good enough to get by without all that Focus but there's no way because there's another person like you out there there there's a lot of people like you out there and they don't have those traps and if they don't have those traps they're going to have more attention that's being paid right away they have an advantage cuz they have they're full focused on this and there's also something dangerous to someone like Ronda res by the way obviously is just incredible I mean she's the reason why women's MMA is a

56:12huge thing uh but I think there's something dangerous about being such an amazing Grappler getting a couple Knockouts and all of a sudden feeling this kind of like you know she got the knee to McMahon and stopped her with one and then what was the other chick who she she hit the overhand who face planted Alexis Davis yeah and so now it's kind of going in there and even going in there with like a world class uh boxer like uh Holly Hol she kind of goes in there with like well I can knock people out too and I think that's a dangerous you know all of that is a dangerous combination it's like being a blue belt and you choke out a bunch of white belts and you think you're the and then all of a sudden you're rolling with Damen Maya and he wraps you up like a Christmas present and beats the out of you and chokes you unconscious easy you know I mean there's levels of everything and to deny those

56:58levels because anybody who looked at her fights would see like okay you have this Ronda Rousey this Fierce competitor with one of the best Judo um examples of Judo we've ever seen in MMA I mean her Judo spectacular the reason why she was a medalist in the Olympics I mean she's a sensational competitor her grappling is outstanding her armar technique is amongst the best in the world but she's knocking out these girls that there's no they're nowhere near world class as far as like kickboxing and striking is concerned Holly Holm is 100% world class she is an 18 time World Boxing Champion I mean she's a kickboxing champion she was in uh an MMA competitor for a couple of years before she got into the UFC where she was having these ridiculous head KCK K yeah she's a beast and for her to think that she's going to treat This Woman This Holly Hol woman the same

57:53way she was able to bully like bch COA and I say not in a negative way I mean just just attack her and go after bch COA was she's slow and awkward and not that athletic Holly Holm bounces around that cage like a kangaroo she does all these back flips and she's spectacularly athletic and the idea that you're going to have the same approach used on bch Goa with someone like Holly Holm that's just Madness and that's something that happens when people get so absorbed with this idea that they're special so absorbed with this idea that you know when you're on top you think you are the person you're the woman you're the man you're the no one's going to with you I'm just running through this yeah and then you get cracked and then you realize oh this game doesn't give a this game doesn't give a about your charisma it doesn't give a about the Vegas odds it doesn't give a about how

58:43much money you made or how many times you've been on Entourage or how many amaz it's it's an amazing thing about MMA it's why I have so much respect for everybody who competes but it's like no one can escape this game's I mean like J Jones still has a lot of his career to go and he does he has one loss on his record but it was dominant you know win uh but you know you see these guys like you see Anderson Silva and he's just like he's a ninja he's Untouchable he's the greatest fighter ever and then you see him like crying on the ground with a shattered not shattered but whatever when he broke his uh his his shin well how about when he cried on the ground after he won against Nick Diz yeah he fell to the ground he's my favorite fighter ever by the way Nick Diaz I just pretty awesome I mean the Diaz brothers are just great fighters of all time they certainly are um yeah but

59:29yeah well from going full circle then when he comes back and wins in the Octagon but I mean it's it's it's an incredible thing it makes you look I mean when watching Chuck Liddell who I just you know at a certain point you were like that guy's just unbeatable he's like Superman then to see him get knocked out and kind of his chin you know slowly start to go yeah it's it's like this this game this game doesn't give a doesn't give a about your opinions doesn't give a about what you think when Knuckles hit chins legs go limp and that's just how it goes and we saw that in the rockold Bisping fight you know rockold had this look about him that almost like he was bored that he was just like I'm gon to go I mean part of that I'm sure his gamesmanship he's trying to get inside bisping's head that he's so much better than him that he doesn't have even have to like be serious and be concerned yeah

60:14and then bisbing Clips him with his left hook over the shoulder where he's barely seeing it you called it it was a a great you said like a few beats before that we were like ral's keeping his chin right up in the air and he's kind of like a little LAX of days ago I remember you uh in the um in the henen bar Dillashaw fight the first one which like a huge upset no one saw that coming uh and I remember you you Sayang as it was you're like man Dillashaw is really light on his feet Dillashaw is really relaxed like sometimes you could just see a little thing in the way they're moving they like hm that's kind of interesting yeah I was telling you before uh we started recording my my buddy hilarious comedian one of my best friends Louis J Gomez he does a radio show with Michael bis and you You' had big J the the three of us do a podcast Legion of skank you got to have le on you love he's like

61:05love Jay yeah Jay Jay's got a special coming out which is going to be just incredible what's it on uh Comedy Central hour oh cool uh coming out on I believe I want to say June 17th but I might it's like one of those days it's called uh um live at Webster Hall it's going to be a incredible special look for that Jay's like one of the funniest comedians on the planet very funny Lewis J Gomez is just one of the funniest people I've ever met in my life he's a great comedian he's like bigger than a stand-up comedian he's like the Bert crer of the East Coast he's just a hilarious person uh but so he's doing a show with with Michael bisbing they do a show called the countdown on Sirius radio and he started doing the show I mean this before bisbing has the Anderson Silva fight and it did almost seem kind of like bisbing was a great fighter a big name but seemed like he

61:51was kind of you know going toward the end of his career like he had a couple injuries had the eye thing and you're kind of like oh he was a he was a contender well explain the eye thing cuz the eye thing's pretty bad the eye you probably know better than me he has a detached retina and he has oil in his eye they had to inject oil into where his eye sits so that his retina won't tear again so he has one eye that looks almost like crosseyed and it's kind of black like he like he's on ecstasy like one pupil's dilated it's very weird and he doesn't give a he's got that one eye up and he doesn't give a he still going in there and slinging that guy's born for this this this went out and fought Anderson Silva in one of the gutsiest performances I've ever seen and I mean he the the first two rounds that he beat Anderson were just incredible and then the fact that he got almost put out in

62:43the third round and came back and won the fourth round and it was a up thing because he was trying to say that his mouthpiece was out and he tried to Circle to I don't know who the referee was I think it was herb yeah and he's like and but Herb's like look it doesn't matter like you got to I'm not stopping you don't you can't call when to stop the action cuz you could say that the mouthpiece is out no you could just spit your mouthpiece out whenever someone's you know like Landing a big shot time and people do do that but you know herb was like look you can't say to me that your mouth piece out I know your mouth pieces out but you got to keep fighting and then Boom Anderson lands a flying knee on the jaw and then Anderson walks away with his hands up it's so crazy as if he won so cra herb didn't call the fight yet so then the bell rings so then Bisping has to get up and recover in a

63:27minute from getting koed it was madness he got a little bit of extra time because Anderson Silva celebrated so I think he got like an extra 30 seconds or so but I mean but then right so and and by the way to that's got to Anderson up too because Anderson's now got this like adrenaline dump and then and then you saw in his face he's like what no we're back to fighting and but bisbing man that fourth round he just bit down on his mouthpiece and walked him down and I mean it was incredible crazy and then after that being the greatest ever to come and and you get on a on an injury right you get a a title shot what 10 days notice yeah he fights the greatest ever I mean arguably Anderson's on the Downs slide but definitely let's not say arguably I mean losing twice to Weidman it just didn't look the same when he fought Nick Diaz suspended for steroids comes back

64:14and and you know but he's still Anderson Silva so that Victory gets that victory over the greatest of all time and then first round knockout over Luke rockold you know what's up I was I was literally considering saying that Luke rockold looks overconfident and when you're overconfident you can get knocked out and I'm like I don't want to be a dick and then boom he gets knocked out I like but you did make the comment about him holding about him not like having his head right there on the center line super relaxed he was super relaxed with his chin straight up he was pulling out of things with his chin straight up it's almost like there was no danger yeah and that was one of the things that he was saying that you know he was in no danger and it was also one of the same things that Uriah Faber was saying like the difference between me and Cruz is I can

64:55hurt him can take him out and then when you see yah got caught I think it was the second round he got dropped and you realize he's in deep trouble like you realized holy like I can get knocked out too and all those guys in you know it's it's a it's funny when you get it like like Michael BisMan was a guy who the knock on him I guess was that he didn't have knockout power or whatever you're talking about like a a 200 I mean fighting at 205 a guy who cuts down probably I'm sorry 185 so probably some someone who weighs close to 200 lb it's a 200 lb guy who specializes in in Striking yeah I mean he can Knock You Out course he can and he proved it well he doesn't he doesn't fight like a like a brawler like he fights like a technician and when you fight like a technician you don't swing wild crazy ass punches with everything on them with your you know vanderlay

65:43Silva style you know you try to find openings and that's what he did he found the opening with that left hook it was really sneaky he had missed it before he was like stepping in and throwing the left hook over the shoulder and kind of like stepping into the punch and boy when he caught Luke he caught him at the end of the chin which really like spins your head all the torque was perfectly placed and then he caught him with another brilliant one right afterwards he followed up yeah man dude and you know he's had like all sorts of crazy injuries back injuries neck injuries his arms yeah he's just tough man he just keeps going he just keeps going he no question about that that dude's as tough as they come man I'm Happ him just because he's one of those guys who's like been around forever and always kind of been knocking at the door so it's nice to see him you

66:29know get his moment well it's crazy to see well you see like there's knockout power right and then there's like Dan Henderson kind of knockout power that it's just like Jesus Christ Dan Henderson like Dan Henderson feels like this table when you put your arm on him he's not flexing he's like the like Ryan Parsons who's a buddy of mine who was his manager for a long time said that he would do massage on him and he would be exhausted he's like he's wood the guy's made out of wood so like when you look at him you look at him you go well looks like a you know strong athletic guy but if you felt him you realize where all this power comes from he's like he's built different there's something going on with him and he does when you were saying people who don't put everything into one punch I mean he puts everything into his punches like I mean it's like coming at you and

67:14it's so weird the way he moves too he moves in a weird way because he's very stiff he's not fluid like Jon Jones or like Anderson is very fluid in his movements Dan is like very stiff but when he uncorks those bombs on you they just detonate and you're just like what the hit me like Hector Lombard's never been knocked out to see Hector Lumbard get knocked out by well he got head kicked he's probably stunned by that head kick and then he got blasted with that back elbow he was out cold yeah he was out cold when he hit the ground and then Henderson blast him again but like whoa I I saw that I was like who the hits like this guy it's like it's almost like you want him to hit you just so you could feel it just much harder is that than normal like what what the are you doing I want to start by like standing next to a guy who he hits like hit him real close to me I want to feel it his KO of

68:04Bisping at UFC 100 was one of the most brutal one-punch shots in the history of Combat Sports it was just boom bisping's dead stiff and then Henderson's Airborne long before the referee can get to him and just slams him in the face on the way down and then from there out one of his logos was the silhouette of him flying through the air knocking out bisbing so imagine being bisbing not only do you have to deal with the fact this guy knocked you out in spectacular fashion but his logo is him flying through the air hitting you after you're already unconscious I would I would just say hang on in a few years you'll be champ and you'll have a show with Lis J Gomez and everything will be good what year was UFC 200 it's a while man that was Brock Lesnar 100 you're saying yeah 100 yeah 100 was like was it 2012 no earlier than that probably what year was that Jamie I just pulled some up it wasn't

69:04UFC 114 popped up it wasn't definitely wasn't that right it was UFC 100 let me see it was the biggest pay-per-view of all time was Brock Lesnar's rematch with Frank Mir and GSP photo Thiago Alves July 11th 2009 2009 wow it was that long ago whoa that's nuts yeah that is weird it's been a long longer than I would have thought yeah definitely I guess it is like 100 UFC is later yeah wow so seven years later he wins a title crazy you look there's going to be some ups and down the same the same card on the same card you get look there's going to be some ups and downs your retina is going to get all types of up but you will be Champion one day and no one takes that away from him ever could you imagine if him and Henderson had a rematch for the title good Lord can that be made I wonder if that could be made ethically because if you look at all the other contenders all the people waiting in

70:00line Chris Wy Jacare vtor no there's just too many yeah there's too many but d boy it's hard it's A Hard Sell because vtor just knocked out Henderson the first round you know it's h yeah it's just man vtor knocked out bisbing and Brazil and he knocked out rockold yeah but he just got dest smashed by Jacare everything the middleweight division is just completely up in the air now yeah it's all it's all turned upside down it's so weird in MMA what happen like you're kind of like oh okay I think I know where everything SS and then one thing changes and you're like well I don't know anything I guess you never know anything because you're only looking at the guys that are in the UFC right now and there's a whole series of murderers that are out there that are just getting ready to enter and there's young kids that are like 20 that are just coming into their

70:49own and in four years they might be the best fighter in the world there's so many of those there like the Cody gar brants that are emerging you know they emerge then with one fight against Almeida you go oh Jesus this kid is a killer in the 135 pound Division and one of the top contenders now instantly yeah with one standout performance you know and there's just there'll be more divisions like you were kind of talking about that when you were at the store the other night like you want to see more divisions in MMA there'll be more divisions more Fighters I think right I hope so I hope so but there hasn't been enough progress in that I really think that this should be a weight class every 10 lbs I really do I think there's a lot of there's a lot of opportunities for not just more Champions which I think is better for the sport but guys to be able to fight

71:31in their actual weight class and be competitive there's some gaps like 85 to 205 man there's a that's a big gap that is a giant Gap a 20 PB Gap and you know most guys they're probably going to be in the middle so if you had an 85 a 95 and a 205 that's where should be right you know that's I think that's that's how boxing does and and also I think it gives you much more opportunity for um guys to fight Champion versus Champion you know and to move up or move down like fairly easily I I think an 85 could move down to 75 way easier than an 85 could go up to 205 you know and they could go back and forth and you could have some like really awesome uh title unification bouts or you know Champion versus Champion bouts right yeah no I I agree with that and I like I mean I like seeing the people I like seeing the weight class I love Conor moving up to fight Nate I mean although I guess you

72:23don't need more weight classes you went up to 17 yeah that wasn't even a move up that was just like a Letz not cut yeah yeah but it was a move up for why is and and tell me am I crazy about this but why I I've wondered this a lot and I've never really gotten a good answer on it but why do we have the weight Cuts like why don't we just weigh in an hour before the event you want to dehydrate yourself before that fine because it's dangerous guys are still going to cut weight that's how guys die guys die from being dehydrated and getting hit in the head I mean you can definitely die from just getting hit in the head but isn't it wouldn't it and maybe this just stupid but wouldn't it regulate itself because it's like if if the if the weigh in's an hour before the fights and you're going to dehydrate yourself you're going to get up in the fight like you're not going to have time to replenish

73:05yourself but why do this whole thing where we're weighing in an 24 hours before guys are dehydrating themselves then refuel why not just fight the way Connor Nate fought and be hydrated it's a very good point um another Point could be to Outlaw weight cutting entirely and to check people all throughout camp and to uh make matchups based on size like look at look at two guys you know you say what do you walk around at what do you walk around at okay you guys will be fighting at that weight you know or whatever the weight is when you're in best shape you know if you get down to 175 when you're in your best shape you you tell us what that number is tell us what that number is we'll match you up accordingly and we're going to test people's hydration levels all throughout Camp we're going to show up just like usada does and test you for drugs we're going to make you get on a scale and

73:50we're going to test your hydration levels and when you're at a a reasonably hydrated level it's healthy that's your weight that's what you weigh now so if you want to lose weight you better lose weight by you better do some extra running and you better uh drop some body fat but you're not going to be dehydrated yeah I mean seeing as how we can we can figure all that stuff out it just seems like there'd be an easier answer now of course obviously there there's the commissions in the way which I don't I don't believe in any government regulation so I don't think they should be there California commission's done a fantastic job California Comm commission's no joke this guy Andy Foster who runs it I think he runs a a a great organization and what he did was the opposite approach he let them weigh in from 10:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. he gave him an open window he

74:29said look we're going to be open just come down and wait we don't what this is what he didn't want he doesn't want guys dehydrated standing around weakening themselves for that one moment where they have to stand on on the scale in front of a camera he's like this is all an artificially orchestrated event he's like how about this we'll have them they'll come in we'll have athletic commission officers ready on standby all morning for these guys to weigh in they come in they weigh in then once we record it make sure they're cool they could rehydrate and they have many many more hours to rehydrate so guys were rehydrating 6 hours earlier most guys showed up at 10:00 a.m. they made weight okay and then they had way more time so when you saw people stand on the scale I was saying official weight when I was announcing it they had weighed in at 10:00 in the morning so it was already

75:134: in the afternoon these guys were hydrated and thick no one look sick so at least visually no one looked like like Conor McGregor looked when he fought Chad Mendes when they weighed in he looked like a look like a dead man cheeks were all sucked in it looks horrible I mean look he did good in the fight yeah but uh he really did cut he cuts a lot to get to 145 he's a big boy yeah he's a big boy he's way bigger than um like Jose Aldo and Jose Aldo was cutting a lot at one point in his career by the way I've never uh and I'm a hardcore fan I've never enjoyed a fight more than I enjoyed Nate Diaz Conor McGregor I've never lost my mind so much at the end of the I mean I'm like a huge Diaz fan and that was just incredible I mean on 10 days notice y well that whole um two card or that two fight um event the uh two fights the final fights the Holly home Misha Tate was one of the most

76:02exciting endings to any fight ever when Misha took Holly down in the fifth round a fight where she was losing and took her back and choked her that's insane yeah I read an article today where someone was saying that it was that Misha had lost virtually every second it was from a guy I respect a writer and she won the second I was like what are you talking about the second round she took her down and pounded her I think they didn't they give her a 108 yes the Jud and they should she Domin ated so I read this article this this ESPN writer wrote it and I was like wait a minute man come on you can't say that like why are you saying that like that's that's silly hyperbole right it doesn't even make any sense um and Misha was threatening in the third and fourth after that Holly was on her bike she was like this like she was fighting perfect and super cautious with no

76:44chances and barely winning those rounds you know just winning them but barely winning it wasn't nothing nothing big happened and definitely no threat so that Victory when Misha Tate choked out and holl's punching in the air like how dramatic is that going out cold punching in the air while she's going out and then Nate beating up Connor in that second round after he gets up in the first round beating him up in the second round and then choking him yeah insane probably two two of the most exciting finishes to any fight ever and the and the Connor thing was just insane because he was on a tear that was like you know one of the biggest tears in MMA history and uh to watch it go down like that especially like you said like he was winning the fight and turns it around and it was almost like on the drop of a dime like Nate Nate like came to life in that second round and starts

77:31talking start was really fing a home for the jab he hit him with that big one two and it was like oh Nate has a snake like one two too he like w w and then he like slithers around you can't find him with a counter he's really good and there's no one worse than uh Nate or Nick Diaz to get hurt by in a fight cuz once they hurt you they just like they push a pace and then when you get hurt they like pick it up and pick it up and then all of a sudden I mean before you know it Connor's hit like 25 times on the feet and he's shooting for a taked down those guys are always doing triathlons so even though Nate is like he was taking that fight in 11 days notice and he wasn't in shape he's still in way better shape than most people so like him going five rounds is not unfeasible it's not it's not outside of the realm of imagination he's in shape he's just not in the kind of shape that

78:21he's going to be when they have a rematch and that becomes real problem dud I think he's going to beat him up again well what Nate said he goes he goes I if I had a camp he wouldn't have touched me he goes my plan was to go out slow in the first round and he came out fast in in the first round so I got tagged a couple times but that's so cool that's cool stick to the plan stick to the plan and then the second round it starts loosening up and opening up and Connor was just dead yeah well I heard I mean people were talking to Nate about uh because you know going into that fight like Connor's power was what a lot of people were talking about like you know he put one punch on Jose Aldo's chin and he's out and you know he's talking he's like they can't handle my power as well but but uh and Nate was saying in one of the post fight interviews where he was like look I'm sparring with

79:00Andre Ward and Joe Shilling and like heavyweight boxers I'm doing rounds with heavyweight boxers there's nothing you're going to hit him with that he hasn't seen or kind of dealt with when he SP I mean you're not like talking like Andre Ward and Joe Schilling like decent Strikers saying literally the best the best the best in boxing and the best in kickboxing well Joe Schilling Cuts weight to kickbox at 185 lbs and Knocks dude's dead yeah Dead with one punch so that guy is sparring with Nate on a regular basis Andre Ward who is one of the best boxers on the planet Earth one of the slickest said that Nate gives as good as he gets when they Spa yeah that's crazy and I think Joe Schilling I might be getting but I think Joe Schilling said he's never hurt either one of them in a sparring session I think he said that on uh fighter and the kid yeah I believe it man tough dudes man tough dudes

79:53but what what's fast fasinating to me is that he wanted to jump right back in there and do it again and that Nate wanted to or that um Conor wanted to just run it back and I was like wow that's interesting it seems weird that he gets to do that not so much that he wants to but it just seems weird that they were like uh like even when Dana White was talking about it and he was like look man we tried to convince him to go down to 145 and he was like Nate's the I was like wait he's the Matchmaker now he just gets to go but wouldn't you let him if you want if you want to make a ton of money right man I believe in the market and that guy that guy's what people want to see he do what he he can do whatever he wants to do going to get a big payday off it but it's not just that the emperor has been stripped down okay so now he's exposed so now someone's beating him so here's the

80:35thing what do you do now you want to make money okay because if you want to make money you make the biggest fight you can right now while he's been exposed and the biggest fight for sure is and when I say exposed I don't mean he's not talented I mean exposed meaning he's a human and he can lose and that happens with every fighter they lose and once they lose people go oh oh you can be beat you know we saw it with Anderson Silva you saw it with Mike Tyson when after Mike Tyson fought Buster Douglas it was a different world everybody was like oh he's human so I say exposed not in a disrespectful way but got exposed he lost got choked out he got beaten up on the ground and then he got choked out quick so this is not an invulnerable perfect fighter who's unbelievably durable right who can take punishment like no man there's a lot of those guys in the UFC there's Champions like that

81:23in the UFC that like BBY Lawler unbelievably durable you can't put him away it's hard to put that guy away we're not talking about that we're talking about a guy who got dinged up shot for a shitty wide open takedown got taken down got demolished on the ground and got choked unconscious quickly afterwards so all right what do you do could that happen with DOs anos yeah it could dos anos could do that too it's possible I mean Conor might knock him out you never know Conor does have that punch but you got to put him in against Nate again because that's the big money rematch and if if this guy turns out to be a guy who's going to win some and lose some and the beginning of his career this unbeatable wild Celtic Warrior character right uh that's all gone but he's champ he still got a belt at 145 yeah so it's almost kind of a a weird position for now but I mean here's

82:13my question does when I say for now can he really keep making that weight that's what I'm saying well I I've wondered about that too I've had some people have argued with me saying like no he can make the weight cuz he was he was what was he 169 against say he basically that's what starts at he can just cut down from there that's a lot but look what he looked like at the at the weigh-in so maybe he can I mean he kind he definitely can do it it's physically possible I was so looking forward to the press conference though just because I can't you know you've got this guy in Conor who's like the ultimate talker and then you've got Nate who I mean the first the dynamic at the first press conference was amazing it was amazing and at that moment when he was just like kind of talking circles around Nate and Nate just broke and he goes how about this you your belt this press conference like

82:59Nate just went gangster on him but now like how can Conor I was so interested like how can he show up and talk like that yeah when Nate's got the perfect rebuttal to anything he has to say on 10 days was saying all kinds of crazy stuff like the first eight minutes were easy what yeah but here's the difference between the first eight minutes and the last three minutes the last three were a lot worse yeah they were awful like you got up man you got to just accept that but that's part of his thing is that he has to like look at things in the most positive light possible and man I don't know um I think stylistically it's a Troublesome fight for him because Nate is a very clever boxer and his ground game is a world away from where Connor is right now and I've seen Nate roll with guys he's a legit very high level Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt under a very respected Camp his

83:53cardio is outstanding his boxing's nasty so where's Conor shining the only way I I think I mean I guess there's you know it's really hard to like fight a Diaz brother and beat them you know usually when people beat them it's kind of like they really stick to a strategy you got to kind of take them down and and avoid submissions or like leg kick and circle aanj Jo beat him up in that way but you know what there's also different didn't show up well there's also you know different camps you know you're coming in who knows what kind of injuries you're dealing with you know you you see a guy like Nate come in and look really kind of lacad isical against um ha dos anos then you see him come back and look shredded against Michael Johnson and look Sensational so you go okay that's what he's capable of when he's on and focus you got to be ready for that guy and I think yeah that's the

84:39best he's ever looked at Michael Johnson fight yeah you can't think that the guy who lost dos anos is showing up you got to think that the guy that came out and swarmed cowboy in the first round is coming like that that guy's a clever boxer so where does Connor shine knockout power that's where he shines like Conor can dead dudes he can they're tough to hit they have great head movement and great chins and they're they roll with punches well the only guy to ever stopped Nate was um Josh Thompson and Josh did it with a brutal head kick and Josh Thompson to this day I say is one of the most underrated guys he just the stars did not align for him but he could have easily been a UFC champion he was champing uh stri yeah and with Gilbert and him and Gilbert went back and forth you know Josh Thompson's world class fighter so when J Thompson head kicked him you know it's like Josh could do

85:26that to anybody in that Division if he catches you you know you're he he's older now and he's just you I think he's a guy that like like I said the Stars didn't like perfectly align for him but like skill-wise and technique wise he's a world class fighter so when he knocked out Nate Diaz it's not necessarily an indication that Nate Diaz is done because just you know that's how good Josh Thompson is yeah and at the time and and then so Nate rebounds from that and I think people you look at like the losses like the Dos anos fight and you look at that the Josh Thompson fight and you go hm how good is he you know I could beat that guy but then you look at the Michael Johnson fight and you go ooo that that guy's dangerous Jim Miller Cerrone a lot of these fights where he was just unbelievable yeah uh and I think uh it's one of those things where Styles make

86:15fights and you know Conor really got in people's heads by talking and I felt like going in I was like I don't think you're going to get in Nate's head by talking he's not that guy yeah how about this mik qu up your whole crew that's the most gangster thing you could say by the way that's the most gangster thing cuz he's literally just going we'll jump you dude like we're not like we're not playing around here and all those guys even the guys who seem like kind of nice guys in his team like Jake Shields you feel like he'll jump you like those guys are he's a vegetarian and he'll kick your ass what got some breaking news that's hit since we've been going live the first one is this UFC lifts ban on reporter Ariel helwani huh the one is less exciting wait a minute hold on go back to that it says reported that wrestler Brock Lesnar talks to return to UFC 200 preempting a UFC announcement

87:05officials issued a life ban against him the organization reversed the decision Monday hm that's kind of cool because that means that like public support made them lift that but it also must mean that they worked out whatever the it was see this is what they were saying this is this is what I'm hearing okay let me just I don't I haven't talked to Ariel but let me just give you the UFC perspective the UFC perspective was that there was a mole they believe that someone was giving Ariel information and that information he was using to scoop the UFC's official promotions so the UFC which is a private company you know they don't have to have you don't have to let people in to your your business your private company to come and report and so they felt like he was somehow or another getting a hold of this inside information releasing it and making them look bad now I get the UFC's perspective

88:01that they would want to know who the is leaking this secret information and that they don't they don't want this guy taking that information and then putting it live now from what I understand the conversation with him was don't do this because if you do this there's only a handful of people that know this information so we're going to fire everybody or we're going to fire a bunch of people and you're going to ruin people's lives this is what I was told was a conversation they had with him after that conversation he leaked the Brock Lesnar stuff so that I don't know if that's true I would have to talk to Ariel you'd have to get his opinion you'd have to get the UFC's opinion you'd have to get the two of them together to debate whether or not which story was true but this is a side that you're not hearing so all you're hearing is the UFC banned him for life and

88:48everybody was upset so I like Ariel I think Ariel's a very good reporter I think he's a very bright guy I'm good friends with his Uncle Gad sad who's full disclosure awesome a just a brilliant brilliant uh professor in uh Montreal I I love that guy so I like Ariel and I the whole thing was bumming me out I was looking at my Twitter feed I was like ah but you there's certain things like this you got to kind of let the dust settle so the dust settled they lifted the ban I'm very happy with that but you got to be careful when it comes to see here's the thing about this leaking information people say he's just doing his job reporting I get that I understand that but you have to realize this isn't like news that is not going to get out that's going to affect people's Health like we're trying to make an announcement in yeah this is a private company that is

89:34spending millions of dollars to promote these events so all you're doing is just like getting it on you you're you're taking go ahead go where is it it's right out that door and to the right hand side all you're doing if you're if you're scooping it is you're shining the attention on yourself what I like Ariel for is not him shining the attention on himself what I like Ariel 4 is I think he's a very bright guy and I think he's very insightful when it comes to fights and strategies and things along those lines so I don't think it's important that he break the news before the UFC does and I think if the UFC doesn't want him to do that because this is private information and a private company and they're trying to control the press release I don't buy that that's necessarily like under the guise of Journalism I think it's like there's some there's some with that cuz

90:24we're not talking about like oh he he found out about U some horrible thing that happened that someone's covering up or he found out about corruption in government or he found out about a person got shot by the police this is this is not like that kind of news this is they're going to release it it's gonna you're just trying to do it before they do it and you're finding it if it's true that there's a mole you're finding it out through some sort of a sneaky method that these people all sign non-disclosure agreements and they're all not to release that information because the UFC wanted to make that big cool announcement now when that big cool announcement happened at UFC 199 I was working all day I was doing commentary all day so I didn't go online and I wasn't reading any of the MMA sites so I didn't know that Ariel had already scooped it so when I saw that promo and

91:11I saw Brock Lesnar can you see me now I was like what does that mean was this real like what like that was a real reaction by me I had no idea whatsoever that brought Brock Lesnar was going to be at UFC 200 no I didn't either no one around me knew what was happening we didn't see the promo we couldn't hear it and that's what the UFC wanted they wanted that and they felt like him releasing that early ruined that for the people that read his article and I see their point of view I see their perspective and I also see their perspective as a private company now people are saying that he's just doing his job and it's just journalism folks this this is not hidden information this is not stuff that wasn't going to come out for sure in a couple hours he knew it was everybody knew it was so this is a very tricky thing and it's also he had apparently scooped Nate Diz versus Conor McGregor

92:03he had done that and that was when this is again what I'm hearing when they had a a talk with him they're like look if you do this you're going to ruin people's lives because you're going to get people fired because we're going to find out who the did this there's only a small handful of people it's not coming from Brock side it's coming somehow or another from inside the organization so I I got no I got no with the UFC doing it because I mean if everything were saying you know CU obvious I don't know all the information but look it's your company it's your information you have a right to tell your employees don't give this out and if there's evidence that one of them is be like I'm GNA fire that guy yeah and this is this is the most important part of it folks this is not a free speech thing it's not a freedom of the press thing because we're not saying that he

92:45somehow or another scooped some inside information that we'd have never gotten out this is not some secret stuff he has the right to say it he shouldn't be thrown in jail no one's you know I'm I I don't advocate for anyone being thrown in jail what I'm saying though what I'm saying is it's not like he unve he he uncovered some inside like Watergate this was something that they were going to release they had a plan and he got word of that and jumped the gun and put it out there and he said he had multiple sources and all this different Jazz but look it doesn't help anybody to release it early except Ariel so you're saying it's not like he found out about some scandal going on was to the L like we want to drop this in an hour and by the way I didn't read uh his thing and I loved finding that news out live at the event it was amazing well and I look I don't give a okay I

93:36don't I mean I think it's kind of cool that they had that but it doesn't bother me at all that the information got out a few hours earlier would I have had the same reaction no but if I saw it in written word I would still had a very similar reaction like what the I wouldn't have had the same reaction when I saw the promo but come on man I'm not into cheesy promos anyway I don't give a I want to see matchups I don't give a give everybody the information the moment it happens I don't give a I don't like announcements all of that I don't but that said I completely understand the UFC's opinion or the UFC's position where they have this company and you know people go oh you're a company man you're sticking up for the company no just think of that this for a second you have a promotional uh campaign that you've created you've spent more than a million dollars promoting this UFC 200 per

94:27commercial they have this whole thing and then they tag Brock leester in the end and they think oh my God this is the cherry on top of the Sunday this is going to be it and then someone jumps the gun and you find out that it's someone inside your company allegedly that's leaking information this reporter and he's getting this information out and all he's doing is essentially scooping it and putting the onus I mean putting the light on himself no I think you have every right to want to fire that person also every right to to ban Ariel and I love Ariel I think he's a great reporter I like you know like watching his stuff I like the MMA hour a lot well again maybe that information that I got from the UFC is also Incorrect and maybe that's why his ban has been lifted but look no one wants a guy like Ariel helwani to not have a gig and I think him getting banned honestly

95:16if you're an Ariel helwani fan you should be jumping up and down for two reasons one you should be happy that he got banned because then it makes him like a martyr and then happy that he got reinstated cuz now he's a hero yeah so I'm an Ariel helwani fan so I'm happy I'm obviously a UFC fan so I'm happy I'm glad they worked it out and everybody talked we get to watch we get to watch Brock Lesnar fight exactly but it's the these everybody that's freaking out that he's only doing his job that's not necessarily true folks it's it's a little bit more complicated than that because it's not like that information wasn't already coming out and if you have information that you know is going to come out write a story about what that information means cuz that's what I want out of Ariel helwani I think Ariel helwani is a really smart guy and he's really insightful and he's a true

96:03mma fan and he's a guy that is going to give you some really good insight and some very very uh well articulated thoughts that I enjoy so I'm happy I'm happy he's back I'm happy but that is the perspective that when I found out about it I had to ask I called and I I had this conversation with people that I deeply trust and this was the version that I was handed so now everybody knows and it's all groovy so the conspiracy theorist can say he's working with the UFC yeah I'm a puppet but I mean look obviously I love the UFC and obviously Dana White is a very good friend of mine so you're not going to hear me criticize them you I mean even I if I disagree with them you're like he's my friend so but it makes makes sense that's how human interactions work he's like a friend and by the and he's created an amazing company he's he's the reason why this sport is out there and you guys have

96:54worked together for so even if you had a falling out and you were like I don't want to work there anymore why would you go publicly you never hear that from me and I would never work for anybody else either you people said like if you leave the UFC like what are you going to do you work for Bellator I'm like I'm not working for anybody if I don't work for the UFC I am never doing this again yeah I couldn't see you commentating for another MMA organization that beo much no chance just no chance it's not even on the table it's not going to happen I just won't do it anymore I mean I would be happy to just go back to doing standup I'm I'd like being a fan and honestly my favorite thing to do I don't I love calling fights don't get me wrong it's an amazing job I've had it for a long time but fight companions are even more fun fight Companion podcast when

97:34it's Eddie Bravo and and sha and Callen and hang out and watch oh my God and we drink and eat food and talk and and if the fight's boring someone tells a story about you know getting laid or their pants and traffic or I mean it's hilarious the most fun it's the best because we get look the best seat in the house is kind of there live where I sit so I do kind of have the best seat in the house but honestly watching it on TV might be the best seat in the house because you don't get the obstruction of the cage I've been well look I don't i' like the UFC's I've been to I don't have like the great seats either I've sat and just and I've caught myself sitting there where you're watching the big screen life is changing F you up uh but I've been sit there where I'm L I'm catching myself just watching the screen the big screen a lot kind you are aware of that you're just like I'm not

98:26watching this half the time you know they start fighting over here and you're like now the Octagon blocking you don't get the commentary unless you have one of those earpiece things that they sell so like sometimes something's going on you're like what is happening why is the doctor in there like what's going on why is he sitting in the stool why is he on the ground like what the is going on and it'll take you like 10 minutes of frustration to try to decipher and then like Bruce Buffer has to announce it due to an injury but speaking of that you do get to see the Bruce Buffer 360 every time which well he doesn't do a 360 he does a 180 he's only done 1 360 and that's a UFC 200 which ladies and gentlemen begs the question should we convince Bruce Buffer to do something else a 7 a 720 do we convince him to do a 720 insane you heard it right here but he's

99:13getting up there in age I don't want him to blow out an ACL he blew that's that's how blew his ACL out doing the jump you know he does that thing where he go it's he blew his ACL doing that he blew his ACL out doing that which which fight I don't remember he' probably tell me if I asked him he he might not even I'm sure he remembers but here we could watch the 360 by the way this 360 is 100% my idea I talked him into it there's an even a video of me talking him into the 360 and I'm like cuz he always did the 180 and he did the 180 because he accidentally was pointing towards the wrong side once and he realized that um go there's another one dude I think I might have seen yeah bring this to the beginning bring it to the beginning and then Crank It Up real loud so we could hear it you do it bring it from the beginning put it in the beginning bring it in the beginning

100:09there you go my main goal this weekend besides having fun and getting to see some awesome fights is talking Bruce Buffer into the buffer 360 the buffer 360 will be happening it's very well possibly could now we planted the seed in his head it was about a year ago we talked to him about possibly going from a 180 to a 360 could he do it well that crazy went home and actually practiced it we're going to work on him at the weigh-ins we're going to make a feel it we're going to massage him till he feels it we're going to do whatever we can do the buffer 360 must take place buffer 360 brought to you by the power of marijuana so this is the UFC I'm here with Bruce Buffer it is UFC 100 today is the day will we see the buffer 360 it still stands that I will know at that exact millisecond of the moment I decide to do it do I want to do it yes I do but let's see how the energy

101:11feels and let's see how I feel and let's see how the show goes but if I can do it I'll pull it off suspense I can't take it Joey Diaz was sitting there right behind me while it happened I forgot that Joey was right there round for the Undisputed USC heavyweight championship of the world so this is the biggest ever UFC pay-per-view and that's me with a video camera on Mike Goldberg hoping that he's going to do the 180 or the 360 wow look how lean Frank looked at the time he looked great ladies and gentlemen he is former UFC heavyweight champion presenting the Challenger me now now here get ready for this introducing the champion fighing out of the righted corner this man Joseph was like he's going to do it he's going to do it I was like he's not going to do it St paa ladies and gentlemen presenting the raing defending USC heavyweight champion of the world it look at Joey Diaz that's Joey

102:52screaming what I was so happy so there's Red Band Diaz and Ari shafir wow everybody looks so young wow it's crazy that was seven years ago that doesn't seem like seven years ago somehow Ari had an older haircut at the time well he was going for the mustache look at the time and he had a lot of craziness going on wow that's a long ass time ago that's crazy that only has 73,000 who who's who has that up is that red band's page wow I should put it on my channel so we have to figure out a way to make a 720 plausible yeah that's to too he needs a hoverboard or something so the other breaking news you just handed me is that Kimbo Slice died whoa how did he die Kim slice died there's a I think he was admitted to the hospital with a heart condition today or maybe Thursday the other day and news is breaking just as we were coming on people were trying to get confirmation on if he actually

103:56passed and American top team tweeted it that oh the American top team tweeted that he died he must have really died wow he was a good guy man I met that dude a couple times very nice guy man crazy story he had man just internet street fights into the UFC well first into the CBS thing he was a good boxer you know he was a good boxer in the early days of uh MMA you know and if you go back and watches like Kimbo Slice KO and Elite XC just Elite XC up and trying to put all their eggs in one basket and have this guy who this internet sensation be their figurehead I mean it made sense like financially but people in the know like me I was like listen if he fights someone good he's going to get up like I see all these holes in what he does and it it was frustrating as a hardcore fan because it was still at a point like the the UFC is much much bigger now it was

104:53remember when they got that fight on uh on CBS like MMA had never been right on a big Network like that before so it was very frustrating that the biggest network was putting it out as if this guy was the best guy in MMA and you know us like hardcore fans like me and my friends would be around bitching like randor would take him down in a second you know but he was fun to watch well people forget that Elite XC sort of had the scoop on the UFC they had the scoop on getting on broadcast television and they had millions of people watching those fights didn't UFC like weren't they in talks with HBO and then it like fell apart and then Elite XC ended up getting the deal with Showtime or whatever well here was one of the problems HBO wanted to replace me and Goldberg and put in their own commentators they wanted to do their own version of the broadcast because they

105:41probably felt like us as UFC employees would be biased and the UFC was like that's not g to happen like first of all Who you gonna get like how many people are out there especially at the time that even do commentary there's a small handful of people in the world that are qualified to do MMA commentary at a top level it was big problem back then big big problem with other organizations it made them almost unwatchable because the the announcing would just be so terrible I mean like nowadays I feel like I there was a while where I thought you and Goldberg were like the only team who can do MMA without me just wanting to mute it um but I actually like now they've got the alternate teams have gotten fairly strong like Brian Stan's really good Brian Stan's excellent Dan Hardy's excellent Dan hard's really good yeah there's a lot of people that can do my job now um but back then there was a

106:27small handful and by the way there a lot of people that can do my other than Jimmy Smith who's really good who uh works for Bellator Jimmy Smith's excellent he's he's as good as me easy he's as good as anybody he's he's he's fantastic he knows his he's a real fan he's a smart guy he's he's easy to listen to he calls things right I'm a big Jimmy Smith fan but um other than him outside of the UFC who do you got outside the UFC does not really much unless there's some unknown guys I don't know of which is definitely possible but there's in the UFC there's several guys now you know you got Kenny floran you got Brian Stan you got Dan Hardy there's plenty of people who can do it now but they work for the UFC so someone like HBO wanted to have their own team you can't just get Sports guys you just can't do that because they're not going to understand what the going on

107:14when the fight goes to the ground and they're going to miss things and it's going to be sloppy you can't have that you have to have someone who understands and you have to have someone who can talk like when you watch old school uh MMA it's one of the craziest things about it that it's being announced by people who don't understand the sport so you literally hear them saying things like why is he tapping yeah yeah you get you definitely get a lot of that well used to get a lot of that from uh judges which is really crazy I have a friend of mine bananas I have a friend of mine who's a judge and in the middle of a fight this woman uh who's also a judge looked over him and go she goes what is he doing someone had someone in a camora she's like what is he doing what's going on over there like she's a professional judge at the highest level in the UFC she had no and this was four years ago 5

107:55years ago so yeah but this is why I'm against all those commissions being involved yes and no you definitely need commissions because if you don't have commissions and you don't have medical staff on team you don't have like strict standards as far you you have to have some government and especially with something like Combat Sports because there's too many fly by the seat of your pants organizations that don't do medical screenings people could die I mean they test well I think you have to have like uh certainly the companies would have to be held responsible for that stuff yeah but you can't just leave it up to the companies can the athletes that suffer if there's no medical coverage right there you can't have an event like an MMA event where you're putting your literally your health and your life in the hands of these people that are supposed to have all their

108:37ducks in a row so they can run this event and me whether or not you even get paid is in question see because these guys don't have any power the fighters you know there's not they don't have enough influence especially on the small local level small shows so I'm a big fan of how California does it like I said I'm a big fan of that Andy Foster guy I think he's he's He's As Good As It Gets when it comes to heads of athletic commissions but I think that you have to have a bond where you have the money that pay the fighters before you can put on an event that should be mandatory because you've have you ever done shows where you haven't gotten paid yeah I have it's horrible man it's frustrating especially when you know that you there was an audience there and they laughed so PE there's money exchanged but where's my money because you don't have it you don't even

109:22have a show if you don't have the show part of the show oh I had I had one where I had to fly myself out to it and didn't get paid and like there were people there the club was oh was brutal it was brutal did you ever get paid no never never to this day there was a gig me and uh me and big J were both on the gig together both of us didn't get paid I was opening for him this years ago I both like I was opening for him but believe me it probably hurt me more the money uh I mean we both needed our money but at the moment I was like broke um but I will say then you also deal with a lot of other when you get these government uh regulatory bodies like with the the Vegas was it the Vegas commission that handed Nick Diaz of course that's which I mean has there ever if you the guy moved up a weight class and fought the greatest of all time at that weight class who tested

110:08positive for steroids yeah and they found out he was had Trace Amounts of uh THC in his system and he passed a couple tests right he passed the most stringent tests available he passed two w tests two World anti-doping agency tests there were blood tests they're much more particular and then he failed a urine test that the Nevada State athletic commission but he says it's and like the water people say it's the water people are like look like there's no and then they wouldn't test sample B there was like some s some issues with testing of sample b or allowing the tests of sample B and they banned they tried to ban him for 5 years I gave out the Nevada State athletic commission's phone number I put it on Twitter everybody call them they were pissed they were pissed but I was like you well there were like petitions online and stuff like that they should be fired and then they

111:01should be locked in jail yeah the the amount of incompetence that you have to have to think that you're going to take away a guy's athletic career for Trace Amounts of marijuana in his system and not examine the two water tests that showed that he was clean oh it's just so disgusting F and this guy this guy who you know Nick Diaz who like came from nothing and like made a career of him like doing something positive with his life try to ruin him it's just pot and he fought a guy on steroids yes exactly it's he F the greatest ever on roids yeah you should just you should you should say I'm so sorry that we let a guy on steroids fight against you here's some more pot please don't sue us exactly I mean the idea that you can just go in there and run an organization like that and tell those people that are fighting that their future is like what they did to Vander Silva is arguably

111:54even more disgusting Vander Silva ran away from a drug test okay not good definitely shouldn't do that but they banned him for Life he's never tested positive ever ever they banned him for Life yeah that's insane that's beyond that's tyranny well it's this guy uh this the guy the cops killed in Baltimore that guy Freddy gray like essentially what he did was he ran they didn't have anything on him they weren't like there to arrest him he saw copson ran and it's like weird dynamic where you're like running it may be a little suspicious but it's not itself a crime right like how can there be such a hard punishment for running yeah you just I mean it just seems strange exctly which was the one where the guy ran away and they shot him and then threw a taser on the ground that was a different one that was in North Carolina and I think there was a little bit more maybe you're right

112:43maybe it was one of those go South Carolina because I'm I'm from the north I say oh it's those South Carolina ones that are all up the North Carolina North Carolina would never never but didn't it it did turn out that he was like he had the cop's taser or something like that right in that in that one no the cop threw the taser on the ground is that what it was I don't remember this story exactly there's a video the cop chucking the taser on the ground after he shot him like if say oh caught him he had a weapon yeah yeah like what a lot of shady there's something about that balance too of where like if you if a cop is it is you know if a cop grabs your arm and you like Yank It Away you're like assault resisting arrest you're going to you're you're now but the cops can like beat a dude with a night stick half to death and then they're like well we thought he might

113:31have been going for someone's gun yeah yeah it's dark man it's it's and also cops just like everything else we're talking about in government they're people and they vary and there's going to be people that are awesome cops and I I personally think that it's one of the most difficult jobs a person can do and psychologically the the idea of going to work every day where all the people you deal with are going to be lying to you and up to something and hate you well did you did you follow it all what happened um it's like I guess a year and a half ago now in in New York where the NYPD had like a essentially a quasi shutdown yes I mean it's it's and and I think what you're saying is absolutely true I mean I think it's an incredibly difficult job and and a lot of that is because of the rules we have which are kind of crazy I mean the idea of having to police drug use yeah is a very

114:17difficult position to put someone in because I mean obviously first and foremost it's a horrible thing to do to throw someone in a cage for putting something into their body but it's a very weird thing when there's no complaintant it's two people who are making a voluntary transaction and now you got to go and like SWAT raid and find them and this guy's giving a bag of something to another person go get them but so for people who don't know there was after that Eric Gardner guy uh got choked out and choked to death in uh or I don't know how you put it but heed didn't get choked to death I'm sorry I shouldn't say that he had like a heart attack yeah he had a heart attack while getting tackled down for allegedly selling yeah loose cigarettes uh nothing so there were a bunch of protests and then a couple uh two cops got shot in Brooklyn uh by some Maniac I think he

115:03was from Baltimore and he drove up he tweeted he was going to do it and then drove up and shot two cops who never saw it coming poor guys got killed on the job um and then a as a result of that they had like an official unofficial what they called an NYPD slowdown and um one of the it was a spokesman for the police union he said in I believe it was the New York Post he said uh as a result of this shooting the cops will only be making arrests when absolutely necessary whoa that's what he said which was weird like shouldn't they always be doing that but anyway so they but uh arrests went down like 80% uh or at least it was maybe like 60% 66 okay that's we have here and then it was like nonviolent tickets and and arrests were down like 90% like they were just basically not doing that anymore and there was this beautiful like month and a half long period where the the NYPD just wasn't

116:00doing what they do they weren't overp policing everybody and then they started cracking the whip to get them to go back to do it because evidently a lot of money is raised by these well that's the issue glorified Revenue collectors there's a lot of Revenue that gets gathered up in kind of devious ways like I've always been disgusted by parking tickets like why this this city owns the spot where you can leave a car and you have to give them money to leave a car and that's how they gather up millions of dollars and they become addicted to that Gathering of the millions of dollars that's crazy you can't do that man you can't you can't oh it's a horrible way to fund assist Imagine Imagine by the way just being that guy imagine being the guy who's going out just giving tickets like you just go around ruining people's day like all day long my friend Brian used to do that that must be a weird

116:50it's bad for your brain imagine it has to be I mean imagine some of these people man who are like literally you know working uh like you know lower class jobs and have families to pay for and you're just going to go hand them a fucking1 tick $100 ticket because your the meter expired by 2 minutes he didn't give us enough money and it's he's changing his laundry or something and and you know Let it go for a few minutes yeah I mean I get the idea that you you you shouldn't have cars that are blocking the street you should definitely give people tickets if they're doing something that obstructs it or tow them but to just leave a car on the street you have to pay money yeah I mean look I have I have a problem with the way government raises almost all revenue I mean I just I reject the whole system of of like taxation at the threat of violence I think it's like primitive

117:37and barbaric and when when human beings look back on that it's going to be the way we look back at like slavery or arranged marriage or whatever it is that the idea that the way we fund our organization you know like like let's say there are these services that are necessary so the way we fund that is we go uh you have to pay a portion of your income or we'll throw you in jail yeah we'll put you in a cage block you in a cage like an animal this is like that's the biggest thing um when I'm arguing that with people about like libertarianism versus other you know ways that we should organize Society that's my biggest thing that I just I I harp on is just uh like okay who should we throw in a cage who is it morally acceptable to throw into a cage forcefully like send men with guns to get them and throw them into a cage like I'll Grant you murderer a rapist someone

118:23who assaults somebody okay yeah maybe we go into like theft yeah theft things like that because that is a violation of you know you own yourself and then you own your your possession so that's a violation but are you are you really okay if someone's like oh I don't want to fund that program I I won't like I won't send my money in to fund the war because I don't believe in the war so now we can throw that guy in a cage yeah or I don't want I don't want to fund up look even if you have a really Noble charity why should you be able to threaten violence someone to get them to fund it well that's where I like Gary Johnson Gary Johnson steps in and says we don't need the IRS it's like let's listen we don't need that's not how we have to make money we just put taxes on on consumption I I like Gary Johnson I wish he would be a little more Ron Paul but uh in what way I just feel like Gary

119:11Johnson has this way of selling the libertarianism as this kind of like well you know it's more practical if we do it the libertarian way huh whereas I like you know when he's asked about the wars he'll say uh he'll say things like um he goes I think if you look on average these military interventions have hurt more than they have helped that is exactly how he sounds that's a really good impression yeah watched a lot of them well so my only by the way that's not necessarily incorrect it's just like who who would talk about mass murder that way it's like it's like talking about slavery and you're like I just think overall this is an inefficient way to get cotton like Jesus dude like and you're you're head abolitionist really you're supposed to represent the Abolitionist Movement with that that attitude so he's like a moderate radical yeah he's just a pragmatist man

120:11he's just like this this makes more sense which is which is fine but I don't really want to sell libertarianism is like I think we're fiscally conservative and socially liberal but he's like a a bridge cuz he was a lifelong Republican like he's a good bridge to getting people to consider an alternative party and maybe one of the only ones that's currently available see I believe in a little bit more like a case for radicalism I think that um so Ron Paul when he was in the 20072 2008 debates he got a whole lot of people interested in libertarianism and he didn't do it by being like a bridge to like before I tell you you know slavery is horribly immoral let me first convince you it's inefficient and ineffective and then he went right to like this is wrong this is wrong we're killing people in countries around the world like this is morally horrible and he got a movement going

121:02when he was in those debates you know Gary Johnson was in one of the major debates in 2012 do you remember anything from his performance cuz nobody ever does nobody ever does cuz he'll go in there and say things like in New Mexico I was able to Balan the budget with cutting 7% like ah you have the greatest the greatest political philosophy ever devised by Man Behind You libertarian you have the answer to all this you're the Abolitionist in slavery times and like ah so you really feel libertarianism is the answer to everything well no no no let it's not in the same way that abolition isn't the answer to everything during slavery it's the first moral step to then we can live in a what about libertarianism is so attractive to you uh I I mean I just the I think it's philosophic sound and it's it's basically just uh to me it's it's a humble understanding of what existence

121:59is that we don't really know what this is man's kind of Born Into the world naked and we're here with nature and we're all trying to figure it out and that morally speaking we should all own our own lives and therefore own your own body and that and basically it all centers around property rights and the non-aggression principle which is just the idea that you should never initiate violence against a non-violent person and then you just draw conclusions from that well those are all really standard um points in libertarianism that get brought up all the time but why is it that libertarianism even though it's so attractive to like young intelligent guys like you why is it that that has never caught hold in a mainstream way as an alternative third party because it really the you've had like people like that run as Independents that get a little bit of momentum but it's always

122:47people always look at it like well that's never going to work out he's never really going to get there you you know vote for Hillary she she has a chance you know what I mean you get those yeah yeah well I think there's a game and there's you know it's it's um there's like a the government is a power center and it's in their interest to continue having power and I think usually most people are much more if they get close to that power they're much more incentivized to try to expand it and try to keep it than at any point say guys you know it'd be a lot more moral if we uh we didn't have this and you know I mean it's like why did slavery for so long cuz you know it's a it's a good way to get cotton without having to work yeah yeah I mean people are getting rich off this thing they certainly are but I do you I I wonder how much time it has left like this this

123:34it seems like it's a reoccurring reoccurring theme that comes up over and over again when people talk about the problems that we have with uh running Society the way we're currently doing it is that this two-party system is just so Preposterous it's so ridiculous to say that you have these two groups and they're both funded by the same people competing against each other allegedly but yet nothing changes and that this is the system and this is the only way to do it like well how come you can't like a hundred different systems and ideas and what what is this grand old party oh what's what's the idea of of they're being a leader for 320 million people I mean none of it makes any sense Don and an elephant it's all silly and then so weird how there's this big like uh this big show about how much they hate each other but then they just come together over the most important issues yeah feel

124:22betrayed when I see like Clinton laughing it up with bush like what the are you guys laughing about how many people died when you were in office that's right and how the media's angle on it well and you know be MSNBC or Fox News who supposedly hate each other but when you see all the presidents together they're all kind of celebrating it they're like it's nice that we could all come together and have this this to like what what is this yeah I thought so you're all full of and how is it that you know you have these things where so so the Republicans hate Obama Obama hates the Republicans they both think the other ones the reason why the country is falling apart but then when like you know something like the ndaa bill where he says he can arrest American citizens with no charges and hold them indefinitely we all just get together and sign that no that's fine

125:03and the media that's not even like that big of a deal like they just passed a law that said they can arrest you with that like we just over the whole idea that you have rights we just overthrew that in one in one bill and uh but you know that'll get like a mention here or there but you have to understand that that won't be used don't worry about it that's all for terrorists that's my favorite Obama actually he put in a signing statement when he signed it into law he said and I guess this was to like appease the the liberal activists who maybe would be a little upset with him but he said my Administration has uh no plans of of detaining American citizens but we want to let you know that we read your emails you with us we coming hard yeah like who's okay with that what's just frustrating for I think everybody that nothing changes and that this two-party system was in place when

125:50we were kids it's it's in place now and it's quite possibly it'll be in place 50 years from now when we're dead I don't know I do think something is changing in this election cycle and I don't I don't know that it's purely a positive force but there's definitely something going on I mean if you look at what's what's going on with Trump and I'm I'm no fan but it is a it is a moment yeah Trump is having a real moment and he is kind of tearing down this Matrix and uh and and Bernie also had an interesting moment it's it's very interesting that they always the powers that be kind of decide who these people are going to be and it does seem like this year people are really rejecting that on a very Grassroots level like no we don't buy this right I wonder how much longer they can keep it up well there's no real candidates that's the problem it's like you're dealing with scrubs

126:40it's like this minor league ball team that wants to play in the Super Bowl because there's some sort of a strike amongst really good players it really seems like that I mean come on man you're telling me that Donald Trump is the best we can do or Hillary Clinton talking about before I mean how many just as comedians like how many like charismatic just interesting people like do you know this show you do it's so many different like really smart interesting people who you sit there like you're telling me we can't find one yeah who want but I think like you said before the real problem is that a a good person or any type of honest person would write away go no I can't rule 320 million people not only that you would never get to that position cuz you would be compromised every step of the way and then you would become what they are the only I mean it's a really rigged game

127:29and it's rigged through lobbyists and special interest groups and money and campaign funds by the time you get to that position unless you're Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump and that's what makes it interesting is they are the only two people that represents uh two completely new paradigms yes you have Bernie who is this weird socialist type character Democratic Socialist character and then you have Trump who's like the ultimate capitalist and both people represent entirely new groups because Donald Trump is essentially at least partially self-funded and you know now he's trying to get money and there's well he's already the nominee though I mean he's he's cemented so it's it's an interesting position where he's going to get some support yes but so far basically Trump and Sanders both found a way to do it without taking corporate money Trump found a way to speak over

128:15the media and get the media to keep him in their 24-hour news cycle yeah manipulated the out of everybody but they're both I mean I I got to say they're not I I don't look at while their personalities are very different I don't know if anything about their Pol their policies are actually like diametrically opposed I think they're both kind of populists in a lot of ways like Bernie Sanders has more of a re has more of an ideology like this is my philosophy on what government should do and Trump's just kind of like let's Let It Rip but they're both kind of like let me tell you what you want to hear to the crowd well Trump is a Carnival Barker and you know he talks about that in the art of the deal I mean his his whole style of Campa painting is is all mapped out in his books where he talks about this Larger than Life Persona that he's created in order to make himself a

128:59public figure in order to make himself more wealthy more popular and more able to get things done I mean this is like a strategy this this whole thing that he's doing like and I called him we're going to make that wall 10 feet higher like that's all like Carnival Barker but it's amazing that he he's stepped into the game of politics and almost ripped it open from the inside where he's like I'm just talking like a dude yeah I'm not even doing and I don't know how Hillary Clinton's going to handle this guy well how about when he was talking about how big his dick is well he to be fair he just said there's no problem no look it's amazing he was insinua there someone was insinuating that he had small hands so he had small penis and I just I want to let you know there's no problems there he made a I have a big dick so here's what happened right this guy this was like I think a couple

129:46decades ago okay there was this guy who worked for Vanity Fair and he wrote something about Trump having small hands and Trump sent him a picture like head shots of his hands and a note being like I don't have small hands like he actually responded to him and this was out there like I heard some people talk about this so Marco Rubio knew if he went at his hands this would like but it doesn't make sense cuz his hands aren't small no but for whatever reason he said something he goes He Marco Rubio said he's got small hands and you know what they say about guys with small hands and this is the maniac that is Donald Trump he couldn't not bring that up so at the next debate he goes uh he goes and by the way he said I have small hands and look at these hands they're pretty good am I right and just so you know like he couldn't stop there he goes and just so you know he implied that because of

130:37these small hands that means something else is small and I promise you there's no problem there yeah it was very bizarre I mean I guess his fingers are relatively short they're not great but it's there's nothing weird like where you'd have to comment about it they're not presidential hands I'll say that what's a a Lincoln probably has some long ass crazy I mean I just uh it's it's a weird thing to criticize though because you're talking about something that someone can't change it's like making fun of someone's ears when they're running for president like hey all bizarre but it's very strange it's it's a but it is a tell to Donald Trump that he can't not address it like if you if you put that out there he's got to come back yeah but it worked the problem is his comeb back was effective yeah so then he wins so Marco Rubio Marco Rubio who's just this weird mama's boy looking

131:28putts like like he just doesn't have any Charisma when he would like be jabbing back and forth with Trump like dude you're an amateur like he's going to chew you up he's used to being criticized he's used to being arrogant he's used to shutting people down yeah going to bark over you that's another one of my issues with with Gary Johnson is that I just feel like man if the if the lp wants to do something if the libertarian you know if they want to they want to have a moment here and you're telling me the hope is if we can get to 15% in the polls then we get into a debate and I have to overlook the fact that this guy was already in a debate that nobody remembers because he didn't do anything in that and now he's got to go debate Trump right Trump I you got to send someone who's got some type of well he's gonna be in the debates though right Gary Johnson no he's got to get

132:1315% he's got to poll that and he's got to get into the polls then he's got to get 15% in the polls it's a whole thing right and they also have to choose which polls but I don't think they find him threatening it might actually be smart for them to allow him and expose I mean I think both sides would probably think that he would expose something that the other side has and both sides would probably be under the impression There's an opportunity to capitalize on it well I think the left uh side because he's a lifelong Republican sees him as more likely to peel away votes from Trump so in a weird way I think they want him in there because they want to they want to hand it to Hillary so you he might be able to take advantage of some of that but I I don't know I think they even though this is a whole different year they really like the the control on the two-party

132:57system you know the last time uh a third party really made any noise was was Ross perau and they changed all the rules after that guy got out of there to make presidential debates right it used to be like the uh women the League of Women Voters or whatever used to run it and then that now just the Democrats and Republicans like they were like let's never let that happen again yeah they up they let that crazy old billionaire buy time on TV remember that yep you're being hooked good wi I'll show you how yeah you don't want some crazy old Texas billionaire on television in the 1980s or whenever the it was it's um it just it's one of those things to me where I don't see how it's going to change I look at I go boy they can just keep running this game for another four years and another four years and it'll keep going and then we'll be like 70 going what the man

133:44I don't think so I think I think we're we're on the verge of of the collapse and I don't exactly where Verge is like I don't know you know how much longer president Trump might do it maybe maybe but if you I think if you look at a few kind of like fundamentals we're in the process of an Empire falling yeah like the far far too expanded militarily drowning in debt uh and if you really look at the debt I mean it's not just the 19 trillion there's like over a 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities like all these Medicare and Social Security and all these programs they're they're all going to blow up uh We've we've also got you know just trillions and trillions of dollars that are extended being held at at these big banks that there's all these factors and also look at the moral kind of like uh the cultural Decay kind of going on that Trump I think kind of embodies I think there's a lot of

134:37indicators that we're in the in the crash process well he he embodies the cultural decay in in that one sense and on the other sense you've got the cultural Decay by social justice Warriors and people super over sensitive who Ralph nater round against now Ralph but I pulled this up on Twitter today uh Ralph ner was saying that men today are over sensitive because they never had to deal with the draft he's like you're you guys are complaining about nothing like this is nonsense good for Ralph nater man look at this this Ralph nater on trigger warnings young men are far too sensitive because they've never been in a draft isn't that hilarious they're talking about trigger warnings trigger trigger warnings make me want to hit somebody it really does like J it's Insanity it makes me so it's so stupid that you're supposed to protect people from TR first of all that's not even how trigger Works

135:30triggers work by like being in a place where something bad happened to you or hearing a sound or seeing a thing it's not bringing up the act of like if someone says you know Murder oh my dad was murdered it's a trigger warning why didn't you warn me the trigger hit me like that's not but that's the whole world's going to trigger you then then every piece of media every movie every television show poal for being a trigger and like it's not as if like uh I just hate people and I don't care if you're triggered and you know deal with your past like I think we have a big epidemic of soldiers coming back suffering from PTSD I'd like to not send them to Wars so we don't have to deal with this but the idea that we should we should change we should like Nerf foam the world in case you're triggered so a college now can't explore anything they want to because what if someone had

136:19something violent in their past happen and then it seems to be a very convenient thing where you know like the feminists or the social justice Warriors are like policing rape jokes in the comedy community but they don't ever seem to be policing like a war joke or you know it's like they don't seem to care about men being triggered and uh like you saying it's mostly just infantile it's just these you know privileged kids on college campuses who are like want to shut down a conservative speaker from talking it's really Insanity yeah it's and it's it's so the the way they're doing is rabid it's like they're so frothy at the mouth and so like taken away with the idea that they're doing some incredible right and this has to be done and this this Justice must Prevail and transgender people should be able to use the women's room without you know any questioning

137:09whatsoever about where they stand like there's some weirdness going on today that is like what we were talking about when people are young when you can send them to war that when you send these young people to war that they don't they don't really have enough data yet well there's a lot of that going on where there's a social war and these people don't have a lot of data either and they're just furious and foaming at the mouth and when it all is said and done the dust settles when they're older they're probably not even going to be on that team anymore you know you're you're probably going to wise up and realize how goofy those people you're hanging around with are who are getting mad at white people for wearing dreadlocks oh my God social appropriation cultural appropriation it's like listen we all hate white people in dreadlocks but you you've actually made me someone I hate more

137:52than white people in dreadlocks that's how much you've up not only that you don't even know where dreadlocks came from first of all white people have had dreadlocks throughout history well that's what you when you were comparing the kind of cultural Decay from the Trump supporters and the social justice Warriors I do see a lot of it just rooted in like anti-intellectualism I mean there's just like no it doesn't matter you don't need to know anything all you need I mean they they will shut down a Christina Hoff summer speech who but I think she's amazing I saw you did a great podcast with her but the I mean she is she's a feminist she's a liberal she's a liberal feminist who's just going oh by the way your data is a little off yes they like rape apologist exactly she just talks about the facts and she she calls herself a factual feminist that's her statement and

138:38there's there's something wrong with telling people they have things wrong to them I mean this is how crazy the left has gotten because you're you're what you're you're 20 and you figured everything out evidently well it's just noise there's a lot of noise and sometimes in those noise there's some important points on both sides but boy there's a whole lot of noise too and it's it's it's a lot of arguing a lot of yelling gets done and not a lot of progress gets made just people dig in their heels and they take a side they draw a line in the sand and you got the people on the right and the people on the left and wo yeah like you said at the beginning it becomes a big like team identity thing and then you're like then it's just justifying the position you're already in so you're just looking for kind of you know confirmation bias like my team's right or my team's right and

139:26yeah and why is everybody so goddamn sensitive like the the gender pronoun thing is so bananas like you should know that if you're a dude and you look like a woman okay that people are going to get that wrong on occasion like okay what what what do you look like okay do you look like Katherine Zeta Jones and a bikini well if you do people are going to say her and if they say her that's not a bad thing oh you're assuming gender you know there's people out there that they think that you should name your dog gender neutral names cuz your dog can't decide like this is a real debate amongst feminists and social justice Warriors who have animals whether or not they should impose their stereotypes they have on human beings on their dogs and cats yeah but there's something there look and it's just insanity but I feel like there's something like on these college campuses that's almost like that's

140:16housing that like they're letting them develop these ridiculous ideas and I'll tell you I think part of it I I really blame the college professors for a lot of this because I think these are also people who have a lot of them have lived in college their entire lives they're people who go to college and then just stay in college and they they get post you know graduate degrees and then they they teach and they're kind of letting this happen and no one's going like okay shut up that's not a real issue like I look I'm I'm all for like I'm a complete libertarian you should be able to if you if you have a doctor who's willing to perform a surgery on you and you want to identify as her instead of him I'll call you her cuz who cares call you Z no that's ridiculous I but you also can't even if I'm willing to call you something you can't make it a huge issue

140:58if not everybody is willing to call you that like this isn't we're fighting Wars here have you seen here H that's yeah I that's there's like 18 of those now yeah like lgbtq is not even close to all the letters that are on that thing anymore well how about in New York they're going to find businesses if they intentionally misgender you like you can get sued and fined for like a quar million dollars if you don't call someone Z yeah see and this is where this is where it becomes like a real problem is it's like okay you know what you guys can have your little fun and games and your safe space on college campus all you want to but now you start bringing in the forceful arm of government to actually go over a business owner who's trying to provide jobs and you know feed his kids but even it becomes a problem even in colleges because what if you don't subscribe to those ideologies you

141:46got to go to school with these monkeys and they're all running around insisting they're they're Pro on zhe and if you don't say it you're a Lord like whoa yeah well it's also real Scar the fact that if you've ever you know had a drunken hookup you're a rapist oh yeah by the way only the man only the man and that's what happened at ocidental here and um when we we talked about on the podcast with um Professor Renegade history Thaddius Russell Thaddius Russell who's brilliant brilliant Guy and um we were talking about how incredible it is that they find a way to justify two people hooking up with text messages with a girl saying come on over bring condoms they have sex and the guy is the one who's a rapist because they were both drunk that's insane the guy got kicked out of school and he's still in the middle of lawsuits oh it's it's it's insane but it's also like a

142:36fascinating glimpse into how you see things because it's weird how you it's almost like these guys come back to be the caricature of what the 1950s chauvinist was supposed to be assuming that women are these fragile delicate creatures who can't handle the thing a man can it's like you're really being the sexist here exactly I always say like all those guys um who who would like I remember there's big thing on your show when when Jamie kilstein was on about the TSH uh rape joke but I always want I wonder when I and I've argued with a few people like that who I do now by the way I'm not throwing this out in the stupid way that it's thrown out when they go more men are raped than women are raped that's not but why is it seeing as that that is a fact prison included and stuff like that why is that every time you think of this scenario where someone's triggered from rape joke

143:21It's Always a Woman you're always like what if there's a woman in the crowd who's been triggered or what if this like it's never a concern that it could be a man who could be Tri Tri it's because we we're tribal and we break off into male versus female teams and if the males are the rapists on both accounts men are raping the women and they're raping the men see I told you men are they're raping each other right but no one seems to feel for that rape victim because they're men because they're on the wrong team oh dude you're on the Lord team Kurt made this uh Point did you ever see the Law and Order episode when uh I'll tell you now no definitely I've never seen any law in order never watch you here they did the one on standup comics and rape jokes no dude it it's no they didn't it's the worst thing that's ever been made oh my god dude it's not even like you can't

144:02even believe how bad it is until you see it it's like this this this guy makes a rape joke at at a comedy club and of course it kills because that's what happens when you tell a woman in the crowd you hope she gets raped everyone just laughs at the top of the anyway and then uh and then by the end then she gets raped after after that because he made the rape joke it leads to rape and then I'll do you one better at the end he's actually the rapist the guy telling the rape joke turns out to be the it was like the most ridiculous irresponsible thing ever and uh Kurt Kurt meder made this point I just think it's so funny but he goes don't they threaten men with rape on every episode of that show like every episode they're like you better start talking men like you don't do very good in prison and you're like well really you're not going to just go clean that up you're going to threaten

144:46me with it like you're going to use that as a negotiation tactic that's so F what's a such a shitty show those shows are all every one of those crime shows what the is it about America where we want to watch Hospital shows and police shows that's all we want to watch We want to watch people that are in trouble someone's trying to hide from the law or someone that's worried that mom's not going to make it they're holding her hand and the doctor's working furiously and a young handsome doctor he leaves after 16 hours and he's sweaty takes a and then another guy comes in with a gunshot wound back to work wow so Noble cut to you know commercials for tide deodorant and whatever something shampoo and Toyota trucks and everybody goes to sleep wake up in the morning oh time to consume we are a weird people weirdest thing we're the weirdest thing it's cuz collectively you have to look

145:39at us as what we are as a giant super organism like what are we we look at ourselves inside of our culture and our belief systems and our actions and what gets done and pollution of the environment but overall what is the species doing when you're looking at it as as an outsider if you were completely removed from culture completely removed from tradition and communication and you just looked at us as like some weird organism like what is it trying to do well it's just making better stuff all the time that's all it's doing and all this other stuff that it does is just to distract it while it's making better stuff all these little chicken dances and peacock feathers and all the weird noes it makes and virtue signaling I have a mattress and I'm carrying it around so my rapist is brought to Justice all that Madness and all the arguing and all the craziness that's

146:29going on it's just a distraction while it's making better and faster computers yeah that's all it is it's it's creating an artificial life form and it's going to do it under this guise of of of Christianity and Islam and all these different things it's like oh no you know Islam is the way oh no Christians are the way meanwhile he a robot a robot Overlord that the switch is about to get turned on and you're you're all you out it's it's the evolutionary game of numbers we were saying before so you need to throw all these people out to get a tiny percentage that will be Geniuses that will keep this thing moving and then you need the rest of us are basically just waste it's like hey you're just jerking off and watching some dumb reality show but if you keep and keep eventually a genius will pop out who will move this thing forward a little bit and a little bit and then the robot

147:18we're essentially like a giant High of worker ants with potential options like you really can write Harry Potter and break away from the rest of the worker ants you really can have a kid that's a Math Genius cuz you dropped him on his head when he was a baby you don't want to tell anybody why this kid so good at math there's a lot of that going on man and those little grow up to be like some Elon Musk character that starts making electric cars and a hyperloop that gets you to San Francisco in 3 minutes there's some weird happening and it's all happening like exponentially all around us all the time adding up while we're worried about trigger warnings and whether or not can use the men's room or the women's room and like that whole particularly I mean that that whole culture on the left of whatever you want to call it like the the social justice Warrior that people call it the

148:07regressive left I like that term a lot I like that term uh but it really is just Insanity I was watching uh recently the um did you ever see the uh the 30 for 30 on the Duke lacrosse yes scandal I mean it's amazing first off that that accusation it's not like there was a it was a gray area or like they had sex and she was a little drunk or they had like nothing happened they didn't have sex this crazy person who's in jail for murder now made something up and it's interesting to watch it and like looking back you know that what happened you know she made it up and seeing the the social justice Warriors protest these guys and the white Knights the dudes who are hanging out right next to the feminist chick going these lacrosse guys are out of control and they should go to jail and you're like dude nothing happened how about Nancy Grace Nancy Grace never even took any heat for

148:56that she was on TV calling for their arrest on TV accusing them of this in front of millions and millions of people and somehow or another she didn't get sued somehow or another she didn't get brought to J they should have pulled her show off the air oh she should I mean what what does it take to get fired it takes being a man if she was a man doing the exact same thing about a woman doing something horrible oh I bet you're right if there was a team of women and that did something ter that were alleged to have done something terrible and she was ranting and or he was ranting and raving about these women being brought to Justice and brought to jail and it turns out it was there was no crime being committed at all you'd have to apologize you would she didn't even have to apologize she didn't do I I can't remember who the other reporter um you remember at the end of the

149:37documentary is the one who apologizes but she actually she goes like she um she's like look I she she apologized and she wrote a thing like an apology to them oh no then they cut back to the uh the articles that she was writing at the time and it's like this insane she's like these boys all know what happened and they know they're guilty and they need to be punished for this blah and then she's even in acknowledging it she goes well you know I do think uh the fact that I was sexually assaulted in college probably did come into play and how course poor little snowflake well guess what now you can't be a journalist anymore only I don't know what to tell you what what really happened in college do we know or are you calling sexual assault getting drunk and getting because that might have happened too cuz that's acceptable to say today and that's disturbing as

150:22man and look even if you were even if she was completely you know in like legitimately sexually assaulted not any of these gray areas like it was an actual sexual assault the idea that you would you like you're covering a sexual assault case okay and you were sexually assaulted before so right away what an honest journalist would do would be recuse yourself you would go I can't really do this because I'm too emotionally invested in something that happened in my life but now to not do that you're covering this something that happened to you that you would have to be aware of I got to make sure I don't let that creep into my professionalism but you're using that to try to you know justif to go after these guys and then then justifying it after it's been proven that it was incorrect well she did to her credit she did apologize once it was proven to be incorrect but still

151:06like you said that's not enough but didn't you say that in in the apolog in the apology she was saying how she'd been sexually assaulted she she was kind of using that as as an excuse almost you can't do that it doesn't mean it doesn't mean anything to these guys because they didn't do anything so they're totally innocent those are someone's babies someone's babies young boys who grew up to be young men and they didn't do and you are writing stories oh it's like saying that they know what they did it's like if you were a therapist and you were you were seeing like some 16-year-old kid and you told them to cut off all ties with their their parents and then it turned out their parents were like really wonderful people and you were like you know part of it might have been that my parents were really bad so I told them to you're like well then you can't be a shrink anymore I

151:45don't know what to tell you but you're bad at your job yeah well that's cult tactics right there one of the big things they do is tell you to get away from your parents get away from your family that's a big one which to be fair a lot of people's families probably suck so it's really easy yeah it's easy if you if you saw most of the people who end up in Cults I bet their families did really suck too they're lucky a lot of those people that are in Cults they're they're lucky they're not sucking dick for cheeseburger somewhere a lot of them are just morons that's look there's a frequency that some people operate on that's really easy to hijack there there's a lot of people out there that are just DB and you're not going to fix that they're dull dull-minded folk that really could be easily influenced and that's why democracy is such a system to begin with because it's it's

152:29just play it's it's all everyone who's playing to that who can whip those people up and get on their frequency and then there's smart people that could be manipulated they can be manipulated once they attach themselves to an ideology like we were talking about like people on the left that are avoiding all the craziness about Hillary like you had a quote that I really like that's on your Twitter you know that if like Hillary was a man that had done all the same things that she what is the quote what is it your exact I said I said uh if Hillary was a male Republican with the exact same voting record all of her supporters would hate her with a passion yeah it's true and it's 100% true 100% true I mean it's not this is not controversial in any way or shape or form Hillary is is you know I mean the stuff I was saying before but she's she's like courting the left she's courting people who are

153:17supposed to be liberals and you'll go she's supported every single war of my lifetime every single war and they can get past that she didn't support gay marriage up until 2013 even their pet issues yeah it's she's she's a weird one man she's a really really weird one that Libya thing we came we saw he died like that's okay like are you are you kidding me what you remember when uh the Vermont guy screamed I know we're going to go all Howard Howard Dean and that one yell did him in like that's it they saw that and they like this guy we we came we saw he died like that doesn't you don't think that lady's crazy you don't think that lady's crazy you're down for her that's that is a completely an ideology thing you you she's she's on your team you're going to you're going to go along with it just like it's a religion just like you're you're sub subcribing to some predetermined thing

154:22it's it's just it's weird for me to see first of all it's weird that she wants to be president like aren't you old like you're an old lady how much energy do you have you got a ton of money you just had your first grandkid you got your perspective like what what are you trying to do you trying to make history as a woman is that what it is I mean do you want to just like get back at your husband for getting his dick sucked in 1991 or whatever the it was yeah I mean I I don't even think it's that I think it's it's I mean who knows who's you know I'm not in their head but I I think these people are like power Brokers that just want more and more of it and it's a real it is probably a thrill unlike anything we could imagine to have that much power and they've they've tasted a little bit of that you know yeah it just it seems to me that she's like so old that she would just

155:10want to chill you know it just doesn't make any sense to me she's she's an old lady like she doesn't have good health like that was the other thing they concerned with had some health issues right yeah didn't she had like concussions or something yeah how did she get hit in the head I forget what it was but it was beat the out of her imagine that turns out that bill just wailed on her and she wants to keep it quiet Bill KO head kick mean it wouldn't he's been accused of violence wow she has suffered from figing spell since at least 2005 in that year she passed out presumably sober while giving a speech in 2012 she passed out yet again and suffered a concussion holy presumably sober is something that if they ever have to say it it's just not good yeah you got issues we're always presumably sober I'm not usually presumably but all right you know but this idea that she fell asleep and and

156:00hit her head like when people fall and hit their head it's one of the worst things about getting knocked out is not getting punched in the head it's you falling down and getting hit in the head with the Earth yeah like their their heads bounce off the ground that's like a big issue in street fights and stuff when you watch someone get sucker punched they fall down and their head gets bounced off Cur and I think people who have like epilepsy and things like that like that's the big fear what happens is that you end up cracking your head on the ground it's not just the the uh seizures seizures um yeah there's there's something I don't know you know Hillary Clinton said recently and this would probably be one of the tactics she tries to use against Trump but she said something along the she goes you know I just I I don't know if he's the type of guy we would want having control of the

156:43nuclear codes and it's just like an interesting thing to look at where you're like how crazy is it that anyone person has control of those nuclear codes like we're just counting on one person to not snap to not kill the whole world to just yeah hopefully you don't ever just like I've had enough I'm right well we know that people kill themselves right that alone should just disqualify human beings from having that kind of power are human beings capable of killing people yes for no reason yes randomly yes um what about killing themselves all the time how often every day how many people a lot oh oh we can't have people run it so let's have uh a person uh who's a a politician who's in the highest stress job imaginable let's have them just have controls of those codes unfortunately that is the green light for the robot overlords to take over because we can't

157:35trust people well the robots are just going to be way more sober about this they're going to make rational decisions based on logic and Mathematics and possibilities and probabilities and the understanding of human race that we really can't comprehend because just monkeys is this when youin you bring me into your Giver society that I have to come no I'm going to bring you to one of those landmark meetings those landmark forum meetings yeah um I think this this entirely uh it's entirely possible that AI is going to be how we dictate government in the future yeah Alan Iverson's gonna rule Alan I'm kidding uhb Bas they used to call joke uh butus it is it is it does seem like that'd be interesting Tipping Point I do feel like I'm more on the side of Technology than on the side of being afraid of it oh yeah me too I just feel like it's going to be more of a it's

158:27it's humans will be guiding it at least to a certain point and I think it's going to make life a lot better I think we are some weird see an enemy type character some weird primitive life form that is really kind of outdated and it's not going to we're not going to make it you think we're going to have to uh combine yeah we're going to symbi IC we're we're going to become symbiots we're going to definitely have computer chips in our brain it'll start off with you'll be able to store your memories and share them with your grandchildren all we have to do is install this chip and then next thing you know you well we can increase your vision with this uh retina implant and we can double your IQ in 3 weeks oh sign me up that's hard to say no well I know that your joints are bothering you Mr Wilson let's replace your hips with artificial hips okay let's do it okay now you got artificial

159:16hips and you're like you know what we found a new way to replicate the spine without any of the pain and issues and uh we're just going to replace it all with titanium and oh okay well I'm in and then next thing you know your your your Bone's getting brittle sir you're getting old well fortunately we figured out a brain transplant with a a bioidentical body we're going to take your brain it'll only be outside of your current body for three minutes whoa hold on okay what am I now because I'm now I'm a brain inside a new body I don't want to do that surgery the first year they come out with it I want to wait like a few years let them work the out the problem with that is those people that got it first will take over they'll be reading each other's minds and flying and breathing underwater and you just want to have a chance to compete they're going to gather up all the money and the

160:00resources they're going to have all the hookers and then they don't even need hookers because they can get their own they an orgasm just by pressing their temple they're just going to jizz in their pants that that'll be a big Turning Point man if they can ever create a thing where like our sexual desires are taken care of oh yeah and we don't need I mean yeah that's that'll be an interesting uh just fundamental change in humanity well people get addicted to that that's going to be a virtual reality thing but then it'll be Hollow because they're going to get addicted to it and there not going to be any consequences like one of the things about sexual Conquest I think it's one of the same things with all sorts of uncertainty you never know how it's going to turn out and so there's risk involved and it's scary and people get addicted to this risk and even the risk

160:42of rejection I mean it's not like really scary like anything can go wrong but there's a game going on like can I get these people to love me like how do I get these oh I got to have the right chains on and the right car and show up at the right place and you know you get the right spot where there's a table service and you know I have to have a bunch of people that are famous around me so that I look like a pimp and you know what I mean like there's a whole identity thing and then it validates your identity to get that chick it doesn't always work some girls come up and like this think he's something and she walks off like that she doesn't even know who I am you know and they're trying to like figure out a way to become special well if everybody just has to you know just download the program and all of a sudden you're in an orgy with 100,000 tens all lining up to

161:26blow you like where's the fun in that but that's why the human The Human Experience Works in strange ways so maybe then that's what we'll be attracted to like you know people will want to go back toward kind of the thrill of the hunt like oh that's easy I think it'll be more like a video game where video games are no fun if you get to play on God mode you know you play a video game on God mode you can't get shot you run around blowing everything away you win it's there's no thrill there it's too easy there's no consequences well that's the Alan uh Alan uh what's his name Alan Watts you ever hear that guy he's like a hippie kind of philosopher guys but he was saying like uh the idea of like that's why basically this dream that is life that's why it's like this cuz we we're like all powerful but then we got to a point where that's no fun anymore so you

162:07want to like have life yeah what was his quote he was talking about a game he was saying if you were going to construct a game about human civilization that's exactly what you you would construct you would construct a game that's like what we're doing right now and this is exactly how a Divine being would play well he well the one I heard him he was like saying like almost like imagine like you've already lived through all those god mode games you got bored of that and that's why you're here cuz you're like yeah God Mode's not that fun anymore let's you know try something that's a little bit of a challenge yeah and this is you know the level of challenge that you wanted well it's an interesting philosophy it's an interesting perspective but lots of this you know like obviously we don't know exactly where this is going to go and you're you're talking like a little

162:47bit out there not that this is even that far away I mean if you look at like where a a noia phone was compared to where you know these things are I mean it's a it's a big difference it's not that far off into the future but even just little things like I I personally I get really fascinated by like the implications toward government and how we organize Society so when something I mean when we can just 3D print guns and everybody can 3D print a gun I mean we don't really need to fight about the Second Amendment anymore cuz you've got it everyone's going to have a gun if they want to have a gun and I feel like there will be aot lot of these type of things that just kind of nullify government whether or not it's like oh it doesn't matter because people can just go over here and do it so we don't even need to have this debate which to me should be the way lots of

163:31things are settled like I mean who cares about debating over gay marriage or something like let people associate however they want to associate don't you think that's one of those non-issues that's an issue to people that actually are gay that want to get married but the reason why it gets bounced around I feel like it's like a beach ball at a concert they just Chuck it out there whenever there's like something really serious that people want to talk about they throw that around as if it's like oh this needs to be addressed as well AB it becomes a distraction and I think you're 100% right I think it gets used as a distraction I think it's also something where government it searchs itself somewhere and then there's going to be a debate over it whereas if Government wasn't there we we we just wouldn't need to have any of this I mean why does well I feel the same way about the women's

164:12bathroom thing yes yeah it just seems like come on man how many transgender people are really using these bathrooms is this a giant issue and how has this issue been handed handled up until now and how is this issue being treated with more importance than so many real issues well one of the ones that I heard that was brought up which is so bizarre is a man who is's born a man he has a beard he does not take hormones but he identifies as a woman he wants to use the woman's room he wants you to call him her and he has a beard yeah I met a guy like that like am I not exactly you're not allowed to because when it comes to gender you can't be Preposterous you if you think you're a fox and you want to wear a fox hat I'm allowed to mock you but if you're a 50-year-old dude with a beard and you have lipstick on you want to be called Z I'm not allowed to say anything

164:59that's now we're talking about gender completely healthy normal guy you you and everybody who thinks like that you guys are a bunch of little nonsense babies yep and you're ruining the way people communicate and what do we have left as comedians if a guy in a dress isn't funny exactly I mean come on yeah exactly that's that's a really important Point well one my point is that you know what the my I was Furious when this Caitlyn Jenner thing was going on when you you were supposed to say that she looks good like no one was allowed to go whoa whoa whoa what the wait hold on surgery's good now like it's good to get your jaw shaved down everybody should celebrate that and say you look really good like no she doesn't look good 60-year-old dudes in dresses almost never look really good yeah like even if if she was like a if it was a chick at that I prob wouldn't be talking about

165:51how good she looks but you're telling me a dude in aess has a dick but like had some stuff done to his face and I have to pretend that's a hot chick now right Frozen face weird chin thing going on where they shaved his chin down or her chin down and then gets a boob job let me tell you something if you're a 60-year-old woman and you get a boob job someone needs to hug you okay relax if what if Hillary Clinton got a boob job and she was like I want to show Donald Trump these babies are here to run the country like whoa I mean this is this is literally what we're talking about Hillary Clinton is she's at a commensurate age right how old is she 64 70 I think I think she's close to 70 I think maybe 6 how old is Bruce Jenner he's like 63 or something 64 they're in the ballpark Yep they're in the ballpark so if Hillary all a sudden got a boob job everybody would be like what

166:42the is wrong with her but he gets a boob job and because it's about gender we're all supposed to just ignore the fact that he's got a Frozen face that's the Chin's been cut with a grinder to resemble a female face like what all things are what 66 she's 68 they're the same they're the same they're the same they could dke out Jesus Christ they're exactly that they could Dyke out how dare you he has got he's got a dick he'll scare the out of her that's a dyke session you don't want him to show up at yeah you Lord he's a lord well uh but look there is something also like the I and I'm not like a psycho I mean I I don't know but are we just going to just because of like this political pressure throw out the possibility that it it seems to say that maybe you have some issues that you want to self-mutilate yourself like this I mean like that this Behavior whatever happened to loving

167:35yourself whatever happened to loving yourself who as who you are like why why did that get distorted like how come surgery now is the viable alternative how come injecting uh non ogous hormones exogenous hormones female hormones into a male body how come how come you have to say that that's a girl why is gender such an important point to you like what what is it about this that's so important to you and and to and to deny that gender and and sex are are like biologically relevant you know categories that it's not just something randomly assigned at Birth right I mean okay for one out of a 100,000 babies maybe it's it's something that's a signed at Birth I know people always bring up that example where some are the number is but there's got there's got to be a lot of people where they feel like they're trapped in the body that they don't want to be in and that's cool if

168:31you want to you want I'm cool with sex changes I'm cool with everything I'm not I'm not trying to restrict people's behavior but there's something really weird I guess it's like an overreaction to people I think in a way it's probably a good thing people trying to be more sensitive trying to be more open-minded trying to be more accepting and that'll probably balance out like we go way out to the left and then we'll come back more to the middle and everything will kind of balance it out and you'll see the difference between people that are people that are just like happier being a woman and then people that are out of their mind like there was a Radio Lab show about a guy who goes back and forth like he's a woman and then he's a man he's a woman he's a man I just switched he's like I just switched over now I'm Gil like he becomes a woman like wait you're just a woman now like

169:14you were just a man now who who am I talking to now now I'm Mike Mike's back got it crazy you're a crazy person like if that's not weird is anything weird come man but but then people go what is crazy you know crazy I agree with what you're saying that there is there is almost I feel like the general like there's a large group of people who are just trying to kind of not be dicks like you're saying like oh we're just trying to not be dicks to people so they'll be gu but I feel like the people leading the charge are like trying to kind of wag their finger at someone like they're trying to go like no see you're not tolerant I'm tolerant you're not it's virtue signaling that's what Michael Shermer calls it he he's like you're trying to show yourself as to be more virtuous than the other people so you attack them for having a a lack of a strong stance in these things

170:02that you have a strong stance in and so and even when these strong stance is like really debatable like this this whole subject you know and I love the fact that these guys kept getting busted after they passed these laws allowing men transgender women to use the women's room these creepy men were calling themselves trans gender and going into the this was exactly what you knew was going to happen you knew it was going to happen right like look if you really want people to use a third bathroom here's what you do get the people that support that to fund it get it get them to fund it across the board everybody else off like how many people are we talking about here man that we need a third bathroom but that's that's why I I I hate the whole system of Taxation and government and all this cuz right there that that can be applied to so many different things like even if it's

170:45something like Planned Parenthood or something like that like I'm I'm uh you know I think it's a very complicated issue but I'd probably lean on the pro-choice side uh but it's like what you're going to force someone who believes abortion is murder to fund a place that commits what they see as murder why don't you liberals just get together and fund it yourself like why do you have to force all these other people to fund something that you deem to be a value that they don't right for sure that's debatable whether or not taxes should fund something like that for sure yeah I I mean I don't even truthfully I mean I I don't think it's de B I think it shouldn't I think they shouldn't I agree if you believe in it like you said you should fund it and it should be something that the community funds sure I mean look as far as parent paren hord doesn't just provide abortions they also

171:31provide gynecological care they provide birth control there's like there's some some like really important parts of that it just gets lump they should have like abortions are us and then just like straight away there's no birth control here our birth control is a vacuum that's it that's all we have isn't that was you know I mean that's probably uh that that would clear up this and then You' say well maybe Planned Parenthood would be a different entity it'd be birth control things along those lines well that as a responsible Society might be a good idea to invest a certain amount of money reproductive healthare like that's that's sounds that's sounds smart and this is another thing that uh technology might you know solve real quick I mean once we can kind of create womb like conditions outside the womb it might greatly cut down on the nor the number of uh abortions that are needed

172:15yeah that's going to be real weird yeah that's going to be be real weird when they decide that the the body like women can be far more productive if their baby is born outside of the body yeah but there'll always be like a natural movement right of course there'll always be like people who are like well no no no I don't want to do it that way cuz even now there's people who have natural child births and stuff you know it's like people like raw wood like this table and they like handcrafted drinks they like like that word my drinkers are handcrafted yeah I'm going to have a handcrafted hot dog and even just even just enjoying nature you know what I mean like the fact that we like to out into nature like we're so far removed with all this technology but we still want like well I want to like I want to sit in the place where I would have died from an infection at 12 I don't want to

172:57like live there but I want to like sit there for a little and then go inside I want to lay motionless where the Predators used to roam it is really weird that we call it the outdoors like I like the outdoors no you mean the Earth you're like the actual Earth we're just hiding indoors we're so into being in these structures that that's our standard place to be the outdoors is rare I like The Great Outdoors like what are you what the are you talking about how can you like we're defining ourselves by the inside of the structure primarily it's all Outdoors man we're all on this I love that uh that bit you were doing the other night I don't want to like give out if it's new stuff you're working on but that thing about just like paranoia of pot being good for you yeah yeah like yeah we should all be paranoid I mean cor yeah there's there's some there's some

173:51reality to our life on a spinning ball that is regularly ignored but really crazy when you stop and think about this the reality that we're in a convertible spaceship and you know we don't talk about that but we talk about all sorts of goofy we're we're literally spinning 1,000 mes an hour in a circle hurling through infinity and the more we find out the weirder it gets the weirder it gets like the more you know we think we know something and we're like okay this is what a black hole is and then we figure something out we go okay it's nothing like that it's uh yeah and people get mad at Neil degrass Tyson because he won't say he's an atheist I think that's another hilarious aspect of atheism is how tribal atheism is I've been watching this this forum where these people are hurling the most disgusting and evil insults at Neil degrass Tyson simply because he won't say he's an

174:46atheist he's open-minded Neil's like a scientist you know he's like look you know I'm not a religious person but I'm not going to say there's no God well why not why wouldn't he not there's no evidence that there's no God there's no evidence that there is a God that's what an agnostic is that's why I like identifying as agnostic because there's like this atheist has almost like built up they they're almost it it's like so dogmatic and religious in their beliefs like you have to believe in this there is nothing exactly nothing happen you don't want to admit that there's nothing Dave you have a problem admitting that there's nothing it's like maybe I don't know there's not nothing to do mushrooms and tell me there's nothing yeah honestly and that same that same person will completely agree with you when they're on mushrooms then maybe when they wear off they'll go like ah it

175:27was just a mushroom the ego will come back it's a hallucination the visual cortex is being affected by five four phosph fory and dimethyl tryptamine yeah someone I I remember arguing with like a hardcore atheist about this and they were like dude that that goes on when when you're on mushrooms it's just a chemical reaction you're like yes it is so is every experience you ever had in your life yeah it's just a chemical reaction yeah the whole life is a chemical reaction without the proper chemicals your your brain goes crazy you get hallucinations it's like yeah you get depressed you get suicidal or you get euphoric what do you think M MDMA is it's a chemical reaction but it's one that your brain already has it's already in there that's why it works yep that's right and you're finding a way to kind of uh to trigger to use their word to trigger that reaction that just gets you

176:17into it's weird it gets into something that you already knew it's not even like new information it's just like it's something you already knew that you work very hard to forget yeah but we're so weird people are so weird but it's cool it's cool that it's weird because like Alan Watts is saying it makes it all fun it makes this game entirely exciting I'm super pumped that this relation's full of that this election and this this this way we're interacting with each other is all chaos I like it I enjoy it I would find it infite like what like if you look at Trump and and Bernie Sanders like I don't I don't love either of them I I have problems with everybody I think Hillary's the worst of the worst but I have problems with all of them but it's so it would be so much more depressing to me if just like Hillary and Jeb Bush had just waled to the nominations like

177:07like if the general sentiment of the public was like we're happy we're cool with the establishment I love that people are are like have had it I think it's a sign of the times and I think the internet is also a big part of that I think people are just so much better informed than at any other time in the past oh well for for us I mean for the for the libertarian Movement Like that's we wouldn't exist without the the inter so you clearly identify with a movement like Libertarians is there anything about being a Libertarian that you don't like where Libertarians are into other Libertarians um sure I mean there's like there's there's personal things about different groups and then there's some groups of Libertarians that are I gen don't identify with at all like there's some some kind of like Republicans who will just kind of call themselves Li Libertarians but are okay with like

177:55fighting Wars and stuff like that so I don't like that um Libertarians can be kind of a weird group if you get together it just weird to be in a group I mean aren't groups weird but that's why I don't you know I wouldn't be comfortable almost identifying with any other group to me the libertarianism or voluntarism is really just uh it's like accepting of a principle that is like I said before like you shouldn't uh initiate violence against peaceful people so I just I'm okay with accepting that as like a fundamental truth to me it's more on line with being like an abolitionist during slavery times it's just like we shouldn't have slavery what you do with yourself I don't know I'm not going to jump into a team of what job you should have but you shouldn't be forced to pick cotton yeah no I mean and all the political ideologies all the political distinctions that's the one

178:42that makes the most sense to me I don't call myself a Libertarian I'm just I feel like the whole the whole idea of representative government is so goofy I just think that any political party that doesn't address that is it's like we're spinning our Wheels if we're really allowing this whole stupid thing to go on the way it's gone on for so long it was created back when it was really impossible to communicate with people so you had to have a representative like now it's really easy to communicate with people but we have the same system of government that we had back when people used to write with feathers right it's stupid yeah having a ruler it's it's insane it's so dumb and a robot overlords they're going to fix it they will they will liberate us they will they will rise they will fix it I'm really hoping they're libertarian J before we wrap this up you

179:30were trying to show me something else is there something else that was going on there's no other story just the Kimbo Slice thing didn't yeah all right Dave this was fun I really enjoy this we do this more often when are you when are you back in town and when can people come see your standup and where could they find out about you uh well you can follow me on Twitter at Comic DAV Smith and um I do a podcast called part of the problem which is all about like this political stuff and libertarianism and then I do another podcast called Legion of skanks which is a comedy podcast with myself LS J Gomez and big J oerson We're actually we're having a festival okay we're having skankfest it's in New York City it's on June 18th and 19th we got some really fun guests for this one dude I like the name skankfest is awesome well it dude it's going to be a yearly thing let me tell you who we got uh

180:13coming for this we got Stan hope Doug Stan hope will be there uh Ari be on it Bobby Kelly uh Brian Redban is doing like a death squad show uh me leis and big J and I think some other really good ones too that I'm blanking out on Michael Chay is going to be there beautiful yeah so very fun but follow me on Twitter at Comic Dave Smith all right you that's it thank you Dave that was awesome really enjoy do this much more often definitely whenever you're in town all right good night everybody see you tomorrow bye