Bobcat Goldthwait

00:04We're live. Bobcat Gwe, what the you doing going to a Bigfoot convention and then a Moth Man convention? No, not Moth Man. You're a grown man. I uh I I just went to see where the Moth Man was or had been. No, there wasn't a Moth Man convention. No, because I was about uh at the I was in the at the Ohio Bigfoot Conference, which was less than two hours away from uh Point Pleasant, West Virginia, where the Moth Man appeared. Uh and uh when I was talking with some of the, you know, Bigfoot researchers, I said, uh, do you do that with air quotes when you say that? Uh the researchers, I was talking to him and I said, "Hey, you know, we're really close to uh where the Moth Man was." And they're like, "Well, the Moth Man is not real." Oh. So, so do they know how silly that is? So, uh, no. Well, some did. You know, that's the thing. There's different categories of of Bigfoot, uh, people.

01:01There's people who are self-aware. There's people who who are who seem pretty regular. And, you know, that's the thing. You go to these convention and and um you have this idea of what a person is who believes that there's an 800 pound wood ape out there and then um when you get to know them, you realize that um they're really weird. Yeah. No, I'm kidding. But but there is that. There is there's a lot of that. There's a lot of that. But I I have to say uh I I I love them. I had a great time. Uh, and uh, it was really fun. It was great. I've had some people that I talked to. What was the uh, professor from uh, Meldrum? Yes. Professor Meldrum, who's a really interesting guy. Sure. Who is Do you know who he is? He's pretty prominent guy in the Bigfoot community who's a very rational, reasonable person. And he told me he would cut his pinky off to know the truth. Oh, whole pinky.

02:00And you said, "You know what? I I can do it. I'll do it with an arrow. I'm more fascinated about about I mean I'm sure your listeners are more, you know, over it, but about you going out and hunting a bear with an animal. What's eating them is really interesting. What kind of What is it? What does it taste? They're good. They taste really good. Like like a like the way I describe is like a deer a pig. That's taking that's taking the uh uh Tofurky uh or to a new level. But I uh you know my brother uh uh he passed away. My brother was a a going to say a hunter, but he was actually a poacher. My brother really Yeah. There when he passed away, uh people said, "Hey, can um can I have your dough permit?" And I was like, "What?" He's like, "My brother had been getting a dope permit in my name for like 20 years." Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. He had all these forged dope

03:04permits. He shot animals all year long. He didn't really The game warden would bust into his home with uh bolt cut, you know, lock cutters and uh crack open his freezer and there'd be all this game out of season. Oh, man. He uh Yeah. But, you know, he ate it, right? But he uh Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He just didn't abide by the rules. Well, no. No, he did not abide by anyone's rules. His his funeral was uh it was awesome and eclectic, but there's two things. Someone should have given me a heads up. Well, first of all, the couple of the polar bears were in camo. Really? So, you're like a serious hunter. Oh, hunter biker. Where do you live? Uh, central New York and Syracuse and then Rome and and around. But, you know, I love my brother, but he was wild. And and then the other thing, they probably should have given me a heads up that his friend uh little Ricky was one of the pawbears.

04:06Yeah, he was uh uh it's like a I don't want to use the word. I was going to say he was like a munchkin. Good save. I didn't want to use the other M word. I mean, he wasn't, you know, he was a tiny person. He was a little person. He wasn't a dwarf, but cuz he, you know, he was regular size almost. I don't know. He was tiny, right? But he didn't look, you know what I mean? I get it. But nobody said Ricky was going to be a paw bear or give me a heads up. So I looked down the end of the church. He's in the middle on one side of the casket in the middle. Yeah. And I said to my daughter, I go, "Looks like Ricky's riding a subway." And my daughter's like, "I think he just got air. And so the priest is going on about how my brother Tommy loved the outdoors and he loved animals. And then I went on after the priest. I go, "Father, I don't want to be, you know, impolite, but my

05:00my brother like to kill animals." I said, "There's a lot of deer right now in the woods going." Upstate New York is a very deerrich place. People don't have a lot of tolerance to those animals. A lot of them, a lot of car accidents. Well, there's a lot and there's more now than when when I was a kid, but when uh you know Tony V, Boston. So Tony I I went out to visit my brother. I'd given him some money to buy some windows for his house. It's a long story, but he lived this is what he's really out in the woods and uh we pull up to his yard and there's just um there's just corn growing like there's no rows. It's this whole front and backyard of corn. Like there's like psycho corn. There's no rose or anything, right? And uh and Tony didn't know my brother and he comes out and he goes, "Hey, what's what's up with the corn?" He's like, "Uh, it's for the deer, Bobby."

05:55You know, he's like and Tonyy's like, "Oh, you help him through the winter." He's like, "No, I'm going to blast them." So my brother actually made his deer. Yeah. Oh, that's so up. And he go and I go I'm in the bathroom and the new window is cracked. And I go, "Tommy, what happened to this new window?" goes, "Yeah, Bob, you had a little problem with recoil." So my brother recoil would sit on the toilet and shoot deer. Swear to God. Swear to God. I'm sure he was probably burning one, too. You know, the window taking a You want to go hunting? You meet me in the kitchen, you know. And then then one time him and his friends Oh my god. him and his friends got really high and they uh they just turned this uh uh station wagon into a convertible with their heliarch torches and then they use that that was their that was their hunting mobile. Yeah, that was their cone car. They

06:51drive through the wheel and shoot out of it. Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, so I brought this part of the story. So, so Tony V is going your brother's certified but like he's never been around my brother. So, so he goes, so Tony, Tony and I get back in the car and we're heading to the car and Tony sees this woodchuck across the street and Tony goes, "What is that?" And uh go a Chucky Woodchuck. And then um and then we're not even down the end of the driveway and we blam. And Tony's going, "I just fingered that woodchuck." I go, "Yeah, man. That woodchuck's dead. You dropped a dime on that woodchuck. You fingered that woodchuck. that what jug his his family is going to go papa papa coming to the door. Yeah, my brother uh uh you know uh God rest his soul. He was a wild man. A wild do for a living. He was a sheet metal worker and uh you know he he rode bikes for a long time.

07:50He was always you know there was always our home when I was a kid was like you know the movie Mask. Yeah, it was just always bikes and and and motor clubs will come over the house and keg parties and stuff like that. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. It helped me to go to the Bigfoot conference. No. No. Yeah. So, that's what I grew up with, you know, guys named like Low Life and all these guys. And my mother was great cuz they would come and, you know, uh my mother was sweet cuz she would know only know their, you know, their biker names. Yeah. Yeah. And so it' be, you know, like hello Yeah. Exactly. It would be like like Low Life showed up with a shirt that said Harley's the best. the rest. He's like low life not in my house. Turn. And so sorry, Mrs. G. And they had turned the shirt on. Yeah. Oh, that's hilarious. So, I grew up with bikers and it wasn't until later on I realized, oh, you know,

08:39some bikers aren't rad. You know what I mean? Like, you know? Oh, I see. You know what I mean? Like, if I saw them, I'd go, "Hey, how are you?" Like, they were nice guys. So, you associated bikers always nice with being like cool, fun guys. Yeah. And my brother had a lot of clout in that world. So yeah, so everyone was cool, but then later on I was like, "Oh, some of these guys aren't so awesome." But so basically bikers are like bears at the dump. Like they look cool, but stay in the car. Yeah. Or in your case, I had an idea that I forgot. I know. And you're not going to go with it, but it reminded me of uh I I was cuz I was reading people's tweets and they're asking what am I up to next, you know, for the next movie. But there was a movie I wrote that I even thought of you, but I know you don't act and everything and I give up on it. Yeah. You won't do it. But I What is it?

09:23You won't do it. I won't do it. I don't know. But it's It's about an alcoholic clown. No, no, no, no, no. It's a gay Billy Jack movie. Like cuz cuz I love Billy Jack. Come on, man. Come on, man. This would be perfect for you. Do I have to anybody? Well, it's implied. It's implied. Well, there's Well, it's all tasteful, but it's like um from the guy who shot a baby on camera in a movie. It's all tasteful. So, um No, it's um uh I was I was married at the time and I said to my wife, I go, "I'm tired of being broke. I'm going to write a genre picture. I love Billy Jack movies when I was a kid." Uh so, I started writing it. I was about 40 pages in and she's like, "Uh, how's it going?" I'm like, "Well, he's gay now." And she goes, "So, I'm just going to keep renting. We're not going to get a home." I go, "Yeah, pretty much." So, uh, and, uh, and I, and I was talking to

10:21Gus Vanzan. I said, "I want to write a an action film, you know, like if you were 13-year-old gay boy, it' be the coolest movie you saw besides the 300, you know, and uh, so so he's it's just classic Billy Jack, you know. He goes into the bar, he's trying to have a drink, redneck town, he's like, "Hey, fag." He's like, "I'm going to have to ask you to stop using that word." He's like, "Oh, God." He's like, "What are you going to do?" "Well, I'm going to shatter his kneecap. I'm going to Yeah. The whole thing. And I'm I'm going to shatter your windpipe." You know, goes through the whole list. And you want to know something? There's not a goddamn thing you can do about it. And then it says, "And he does." And then he goes back to he kicks ass, goes back to the bar, finishes that drink that he was trying to drink, and he puts it down. And he says to the bartender,

11:08"Is there a decent man? Is there a decent place for a man to stay in this town?" And then it cuts and he's in bed with that dude. Oh god. Come on Joe. Come on Joe. Come on Joe. I didn't even get done moaning. Come on. Come on. Reinvent. Well I mean look at Brokeback Mountain. I mean it was essentially like a cowboy romance movie with a twist. I mean it had all the elements of like a regular cowboy romance. Yeah. And I wanted this to be like to me the political the political Yeah. Right. Was his triumph. I didn't even know he had a triumph. Yeah. Well, he but I was thinking about Do you remember uh Jay Leno? Do you remember that? It's a jacket Jay Leno would wear. Yeah. When I think when I see what you do to this beautiful flower, it makes me want to go nuts. Two dude walking to a bar. They buy it. And so, uh but I I I wanted him to have the bike that uh you remember then King

11:58Bronson. You're younger than me. You wouldn't remember that. Then King Bronson. Yeah. He was badass. He he uh he uh was kind of the forerunner to uh to to Billy Jack. It was a TV show and uh yeah, he he uh there you go. He was a reporter that got fed up and then he just drove around and uh really kicked ass. What is this? See, I'm going to have the triangle, but it's not going to be the Yeah, it's not going to be that. That's a sweet bike. Yeah, right. Isn't that rad? Oh, yeah. But I'm just going to have a pink triangle. But he's got the Illuminati on his bike. I know. He's got the Illuminati. I'm just going to have a pink triangle instead of the Illuminati. Illuminati. Look at that. Yeah, but he was bad. Um, my brother was really into thinking Bronson. I love motorcycles. I'm just scared of crashing. Yeah. Well, you can't Well, I mean, you can't have them here, but it's so dangerous.

12:44Yeah. Yeah, I know. If I live somewhere like real quiet, I would seriously consider getting one. Yeah, I think it would be awesome. And that's like Yeah. And growing up in central New York, you could do that, but not here. Or my daughter wouldn't allow me to do that. She would. I She just made it really clear. Yeah. They're just so much fun, but it's just it doesn't seem worth the risk. Yeah. It's bad here. Yeah. So that you say you had a maniac brother. That's But that's So that's a lot of people's perception of hunters is that hunters are crazy people that just like Well, my brother was just outside. I mean, yeah, there are a lot of people like that though that are hunters. That's one of the things that hunters want to deny. But my brother also still had his ethics. like he ate what he killed and and he sold. I mean he you know he was a trapper. He he he just didn't like the

13:31man, you know. Okay, I get it. There was one time where he was eluding the warden and um uh it's just it's just all the story. So they they took off on a lake which wasn't thought I mean it wasn't so they lost they lost their car. Oh, no. They drove on a lake that wasn't thought. He once took acid and went uh uh fishing in the swan pond cuz they had these big carp in there. So, he's tripping balls fishing. It's like a public pond or something like that. Yeah. It's like where you would go. Yeah. Take your family. So, in the middle throw bread out for the Yeah. I remember once uh Oh, what was that guy's name? Big Mitch. We we I went to an Almond Brothers concert when I was like 12. Wow. And Mitch had been the nom and he was tripping and he he he was totally we he was seeing Charlie in the parking lot while he's driving the car. Oh Jesus Christ. Oh my god. Yeah. So that was my upbringing.

14:43Wow. So we got on this from Hunters. Um Yeah. Yeah, but there is a I'm, you know, it's funny. I'm I'm vegan, but I I have more respect for people that actually kill the animal. Would you eat um eggs from like No, no, I'm not anymore. I mean, I did for a long time, but I'm not like uh opposed to other people doing it. And I actually I'm not trying to kiss your ass. I have respect for people that kill it because then they're not removed from it. You know what I mean? There's this weird thing when you just, you know, that that's the weird part to me. Well, it's it's a well, it's dark because you don't know where it came from. So, that sort of it re reduces your responsibility and you don't really have to look into where the meat came from. And then that's where factory farming comes from because we're we're sort of ignorant to and and I grew up eating game, you know,

15:33venison and all. Well, there's seven people in the family. So, why why wouldn't you eat eggs? Because you don't like the idea of chickens in captivity or you don't want them for health reasons. I just I just stopped eating them and uh you know I had a heart attack a little bit a while ago and and part of it's funny when I got off of that stuff uh everything my heart's in great shape which when I had the heart attack I knew I wasn't dying and I truly had just recently dawn to me I was thinking about it the my my thoughts weren't like oh I'm going to die my thought was I'm going to have to lose weight I was really angry I'm going to have to work out I was like furious over that idea. That's fine. I mean, I we talked about this on stage, but it's true. One of uh like after a few weeks of walking an hour after dinner, I was out. I was like, I don't care, you know, but but a cat was

16:24missing in the neighborhood and that would motivate me to walk. Oh. To look for the cat. I was going to find it. But there's no missing cats. Yeah, I know. It's coyotes. But I found a cat that I thought was a cat and then I carried it about maybe a quarter of a mile back to the telephone pole. It was the wrong cat. Yeah. And I stole a cat. This is all true. Bring it back. Yeah. Yeah. I love animals. So I So I I brought it to the house where I thought it lived at and then I knock on this woman's door and I did. And then she opened the door and the cat ran in. I swear to God. And then the woman go she looks left and right. She goes and goes in like, "Oh, I guess the cat's knocking on the door now." Bizarre. She didn't know you were there. No, cuz I didn't want to go, "Hey, I think I stole your cat." So, she just thought the cat knocked on the door. I call cuz they they have furry

17:16little knuckles. She wouldn't hear it. Well, when I let my cat out, he will meow. Cuz I don't let him out for long periods of time, but I'll let him out during the day if he wants to wander around the yard cuz he'll just hang around the yard. Yeah, but I worry about hawks. Hawks or rebels? We have coyote in my backyard and I live in Silver Lake. Yeah, coyotes are everywhere. Yeah, they're all throughout the entire 50 states now. If there's if you're interested in the the history of the coyote, there's an amazing um podcast called Meat Eater. It's by this guy Steve Reanella, and he interviews this guy Dan Flores, who's a historian, a wildlife historian. He's a professor and he uh wrote a book recently on coyotes. Coyotes were originally um only western animals and they used to call them prairie wolves. That's what they used to call them. They're actually a type of wolf. It's a small wolf.

18:08Wow. And when people started hunting coyotes and killing coyotes and then reintroducing greywolves into like Yellowstone Park and all sorts of areas in Idaho and North America, that's when the coyotes spread across the entire range of the continental United States. Now there's coyotes in every city in the country. Yeah, there's coyotes in the aderondex in New York. Yeah. When you kill them, they have more babies. This is what's crazy. Like when you hear coyotes screaming at night, what they're doing is like roll call. Apparently, this is all according to this Dan Flores guy. And they call out and when there's less response, like when one of them's missing, it triggers a response in the female to have larger litters. Wow. Significantly larger. So, it's that crying is the equivalent of Yeah. Buer. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. So, they had apparently a a number of coyotes that they had

19:01estimated in Yellowstone. Then they brought in the greywolves. And the greywolves are different than red wolves and a couple other wolves that are pretty much that stayed in steady uh population numbers in North America. Well, when the greywolves came back in North America, they didn't treat coyotes like like friends. They killed them. And so when they started killing them as opposed to interbreeding with them, like you've heard of a koi wolf, do you know what that is? That's a big thing on the east coast which mostly red wolves and coyotes are breeding. They're creating a larger, smarter coyote. And it's because coyotes really are wolves. So when they uh started doing this, they killed 50% of the coyotes. The coyote population dropped down to 50%. But then because they have larger litters, when one of them gets killed, now it's ramped up in 20 years, higher than it was before the

19:46reintroduction of the wolves. Well, um they're a survivor, man. Yeah. And I have to say, I mean, they're they're creepy. Uh when you see them, the way they move, they I've seen one I saw one scale a wall like just climb over it, you know? One killed one of my chickens. I saw it run over a wall with my chicken. 6 foot wall like it was nothing. Yeah. It's weird. Like uh like it's like human in the way it walks. They're super intelligent. Yeah. But I have to say, as scary as they are and all that, I there's a part of me that goes, "Sorry, man. I know I'm in your yard." You know, I mean, I I I I realize that, you know, I'm the intruder, you know? Not really. Really? No. Not really. You don't feel that about coyotes? No. No. Because look, they go where the food is. We go where the food is. We're all sharing this space together. It's not theirs. It's not ours. But

20:35it's just weird that I mean, you see this, you say it's a wolf. I see a wolf in my backyard. But they they hang around where people are. Is that why? Because we where the food is. We're also where the rodents are because we have a lot of trash. But they're they're really important because they kill off all the rats. That's really important. They kill the rats. They kill rabbits. They kill a lot of things that would get out of hand uh population wise if it wasn't for them. Well, I uh Yeah, I don't let I don't let Anderson Cooper out or Yeah. Or Alice Cooper. Those are my cats. Yeah. Not during the day, for sure. No. I just I Or not at night, excuse me. Yeah. I'm not going to let him out. You just don't do it at all. No. No. You know, I I think that actually reminds me of a story. Well, I don't know if I want to tell that story. I was going to tell I a woman left a a whip at my house.

21:24A whip? Like Yeah. Whip it good. Yeah. And and and and I have to say that like I wasn't like I don't think I'm approved but and she's a very sweet person but she was like I know where she was going obviously. Yeah. She comes over with a whip. Well, she surprised me with it and she Yeah. I don't know. I was like I don't you know Yeah. That's not my thing. I don't have any crops. But um No. So I don't So here's the thing. Like I I I make this joke but it's true. I retired from acting the same time people stopped hiring me. But no, I really don't like to act. I'm I understand how you it's it's it's I don't like it. I don't like it either. And no one believes you when you say that. Yeah. They think you're just They think you're lying and they think I'm lying. I love directing. I love writing. I love being behind the scenes. I love making stuff. I like doing

22:15standup. But I acting is hard. Back in the day when, you know, when I was in movies going I mean that wasn't acting. you know, if I forgot a line, come on, let's go. You know, so I don't know if that was acting, but but she was like, uh, this So, when she said she said, I like to be dominated, so that meant now I'm I have an acting part, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? I like to be do. I'm like, line line. I'm sorry, I'm not off book, you know? So, but and this sounds very uh almost borch belt, but I did say that. She goes she goes I've been a bad girl and I swear I said um well, we're all flawed. I really said that like that's like a Woody Allen movie. I know. Yeah, I I did say that and then we laughed and I would just rather uh let's let's have sex. Let's not uh I don't want to Yeah, I'm that way too. I'm not into choking anybody. Well, with you that would

23:15I just I just don't but I mean it takes on a whole another level. I mean I bet I just but I just I don't get the connection. I mean I get where someone could get the connection. You know I was talking to a friend of mine um my friend Chris Ryan who wrote this book uh Sex at Dawn. He's a professor, PhD, and he's a really interesting guy. And he was talking about where people get fetishes from and that when you're sort of imprinted at a young age as you're going through puberty, sometimes very odd things will happen and those things will happen. You'll connect those things because they happen with you sexually and they sort of imprint in your system. And he used it as a uh and as an example of how someone could get their dick sucked by a guy when they're like 13 or 14 and not even be gay, but really like getting your dick sucked by guys. Like you get turned on by like guys sucking

24:05guys dicks or something. Like it can actually like imprint in your mind, but meanwhile you're attracted to women, but you have this like weird kink for this one thing. It's very strange. But give me an example of other ones. I mean that feet. Yeah. How does that work? Why would you why would you get into feet? I don't know. Like somebody rubbed their feet on you like right before you had sex. Like some girl rubbed her feet on your dick and was into it, you know, and just playing around. I mean, that doesn't it can happen. I mean, I'm sure anything can happen. Well, that obviously there's something's going on between like a a person like you or I who doesn't want to hit anybody with a whip and someone who's like really into it. Yeah. Also though, I mean, yeah, there is something different, but it's not like I'm like, "Ew, that's disgusting and weird." It just doesn't do anything

24:50for me. It's just weird. It's not It just takes me out of the game. Yeah. Well, I don't I just I don't ever want to associate sex and violence together. I just don't think that's a good combination in my my world. I don't like it. But I get it. Like I I have a buddy of mine who him and his girlfriend, they put ball gags on each other and beat the out of each other and they love each other. They're great. I mean, I they don't really they don't come away marked or anything like that, but there's some hair pulling and some smacking around. Well, but but you're but but you're a fighter, you know what I mean? So, you know what I mean? So, it's two it's like it's it's ruining something you you love. Yes. Yeah. I guess two completely different things in your mind sort of. But the way I look at that I don't see like that's the kind of violence where it's like someone's like

25:44hit me. I want you to hit me. like that is not martial arts. So like but you know what I'm saying? Like that's not not it's not even remotely the same thing. Even if it's not even connected with sex, I don't want to have anything to do with that. Like the idea of martial arts is someone doesn't want to be hit. You're trying to hit them and it becomes this crazy game with extreme consequences, extreme health consequences. There's nothing that's that's so different than holding someone down with a rape choke and just smacking them in the face over and over again until they start crying while you're them. Like people are into weird like that. And I my brain doesn't understand those connections. But some people do, like that guy, the CBC radio host, right? Yeah. Yeah. in Canada that had all these girls saying that he just was into beating them up and he would say he

26:32wants to have rough sex and they thought you know hey it'll be a little hair pulling spank me punching him in the face and you know I allegedly I mean I don't know who's apparently he won the trial right they dismissed the case and so now they're going to retry him I guess under some other case or other people there's well then I mean then yeah there was some lying apparently by the girls and also they had 5,000 text messages between the two of them going back and forth about the details of the case and what they should say and what they shouldn't say. So obviously there was some collusion. Obviously there was some deception or allegedly some deception but but what the is it? And this guy was like identified as a male feminist. He was like Mr. Softspukin, Mr. Liberal, Mr. Public Radio. Actually uh the crown dro is this really recently? Yeah, six days ago.

27:24Okay. So he signed a peace bond and the crown drops a sexual assault case. What does that mean? Yeah, what is a peace bond? Some Canadian What is a peace bond? Click on that. Common and critical say first highlighted up at the top. Yeah, there you go. What is a peace bond? They're fairly common in criminal cases, defense lawyer says. Boy, that poor guy lost like 10 years of his life through this whole thing. Peace bond isn't usual is isn't unusual as a way to resolve a criminal case as a lawyer in the wake of the news that former CBC broadcaster John Gomeshi is expected to sign one to conclude his second sexual assault case. A source who did not want to be identified told CBC News that the case will not go to trial in June as previously scheduled. Instead, the charge is expected to be dealt with on Wednesday. The incident is alleged to have happened in 2008.

28:13Council's counsel's cases are resolved via peace bond. I don't know what the that means. A resolution. What is a peace bond? Still not saying. I'll find out. Yeah, I'm not sure. He's an odd dude though because he was like Mr. Mr. Liberal. Yeah, but that's that's classic though. Yeah, right. Those classic those Yeah. Yeah. I' I'm There's all There's those guys those guys. But you know how many of those guys have rage issues, right? Do you know what I mean? that that real there's so many of that folks like these uh hippie folks and they have this rage and it's just really strange. It's it's it's Yeah, it's not Well, also I find that a lot of guys who identify as male feminists, what happened for a lot of them is they're they're they had rough childhoods and they were rejected by women. So, they become this like savior of women from all these other assholeish men. And so

29:07they become the guy that's different, but they're womanizers. Yeah. Well, it's not even that they're womanizers. What they are is they're just a guy, but they're a weak guy. And they're suffering from the trauma of like I have a friend, it's not a friend anymore, but I had a friend when I was younger who had he was he wasn't an attractive guy and he would have real issues with women not liking him. He would get so upset. And he started over the course of the the six to seven years that I knew him, he started associating women with pain. Like they would reject him and they would be mean to him. And he was going to all the wrong places like going to like, you know, hot spots and getting bottle service and, you know, and that was the type of people he was attracting. And so they just wanted to have his drinks and and not want to have sex with him. And he would

29:53associate women with with pain and frustration and rejection. And so he started becoming this angry guy and I watched this sort of metamorphosis and I and I and I was trying to analyze it like you know I was trying to do like the Louisaky anthropology thing and try to figure out what the is causing this stress and pain and anger and it's just purely an association game. It's like how some people start looking at Hollywood like Hollywood's all man. I'm tired as Why? Well because you keep going to auditions and they keep turning you down and so you just decide well this place man. This place is fake. But meanwhile, if you got scooped up when you're 20 years old and rocketed to the Yeah. you would love this place. You would be the guy at the red carpet. You would be like the toast of the town. You'd be so happy. And so I think a lot of these guys that identify as male feminists, I think

30:43they're just And what happened is when they were young, they got walked over. They got trampled and they're trying to figure out what is the pattern of behavior that I have to follow for me to separate myself from these men that have ruined these girls' lives. I know I'll offer myself up as the solution. You know, as a feminist, I just feel like you've just really been over. Well, but I mean there's a couple things I run into. The other guys who uh Crims has a term uh feminizers who are who are acting all sensitive but still pulling mad wool. You know what I mean? There's a lot of that. Yeah. He's like, "Oh, I understand." It's like, "You're the same guy. You're the same guy. You got a different hustle." Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. The feminizers. Oh, yeah. and uh uh but you know I mean at the end of the day feminists it's it's you know basic human rights I'm all for that.

31:36Yeah I of course I just the problem is that the definition and those guys who uh uh I question their integrity. Yes. Well men are very difficult in that regard. It's very difficult while they're sexually viable because they they're looking for attention. and they're trying to score. And when they're trying to score, they try any sort of combination of words that might be possible. Like I met this one guy. He said he's a feminist and then he told me he's polyamorous. I go, "Oh, you're a hound. You're a hound." I just know I just I don't want to control my woman. I don't want to I I respect her pleasure, her right to seek pleasure. Like, oh, you You I see what you're doing. I respect her, man. I yeah I think um yeah I mean I don't know when when first of all when did men start becoming feminists? Was it Alan Alda? Did he pull that first? Uh no I think it's I think it's but you

32:38know at the early '7s 60s you know they started saying it. I mean I'm sure like Warren Bey was even though you know I I guarantee you he was but he was such a How is that possible? I know. I guarantee you he was. Hm. Maybe, maybe. I think, you know, people don't like the term egalitarian. They think it's a copout. Like, oh, no, no, no. If you really cared about women's rights, you'd identify yourself as a feminist. Like, no. I I like humans. I like all of them. I like I like nice women. I like nice men. I like people. Obviously, major things, you know, the the the pay gap is is a is a real pay gap is tricky. You ever look into that? It's a lot of political The actual reality pay gap, it's very minor. There's only a few jobs where women actually do get paid less than men. What the pay gap is is overall judging how much money women make versus how much money men make and not taking into

33:31account what jobs they do, what what what jobs men tend to gravitate towards naturally versus what jobs women tend to gravitate towards naturally, but when they're in the same job with the same sort of production, their their actual pay scale is very similar. It's real tricky, man, because you can't deny that some people that are a certain gender like they gravitate towards certain occupations and those occupations might have higher risk. They might have uh higher uh pay ceilings. There's there's a lot of variables and then you have to take into account women taking time off for raising children, for being pregnant, all those things, having babies, maternity leave, that all gets factored in when you're talking about how much time or how much money people actually make. So if you say women should be paid maternity leave and they should get x amount of money from a

34:21corporation, then you're dealing with a totally different argument. And if you do that, then the pay scale changes. Then it goes up a little bit. And if you say, well, everybody should get paid for the same same exact money for the same job. Even still, more men want to do certain jobs in engineering and science. And then when it comes to like really dangerous jobs, you know, men are much more likely to die on the job. men are much more likely uh to be murdered by other men. There's like a lot of weird that get has to get factored in when you talk about uh pay scales. Yeah. And apparently it's one of those political things where people say it and then I used to say it and then someone corrected me on it and then I said, "But I heard Obama say it because Obama was talking about the the glass ceiling and how much money and the disparity in income." And then I started

35:07actually looking into it. I went, "Oh, okay. This is complicated." Because it's one of those things where you you don't want to be insensitive. So you don't want to say that's Women don't get paid any less than men do. But when you actually do look at the real numbers, that's where they're getting it from. It's not like there's a hundred lawyers. Okay, let's use an example about in in in showbiz cuz uh there is a a a big difference in actresses and actors pays. Are there your top actors? Well, the people that can sell the most tickets get the most money. Like Jennifer Lawrence gets paid piles of money. And there was that thing where she was saying that she was upset that she didn't get as much money as Bradley Cooper, but Bradley Cooper was in way more scenes than her. He was in way more of the movie and he was a bigger star at the time. Like it's it's real tricky

35:56because if Jennifer Lawrence was in a movie with you, she'd get paid way more than you. Well, let's you know what I'm saying? Or me. That's a bad example. It's a bad example. I I probably would pull more money, but but you know what I'm saying? It's like if someone is a huge superstar, um what's her name from Friends? Jennifer Anderson. Jennifer Anderson in her prime, you know, or um the Matt and Mike Molly guy. What's the girl's name? Melissa. Melissa McCarthy. Yeah. You don't think she makes more than him? Of course she does. She's more popular. She's more famous. She does these giant movies. She gets paid tons of money. Amy Schumer gets paid tons of money. You know, I'm going to change the subject uh because I was thinking of uh Back to Your Bears and movies. What was your take on Revenant? I liked it. You know, it's all based on an actual true story that uh this guy

36:45Steve Ranella from that meteor podcast who's actually a historian himself in a way. He told me the story, the actual story where um they really did leave this guy for dead and he really did crawl for a couple miles and figured out a way to survive and got to that guy and killed him. It's a real true story. Um, I thought it was pretty good, man. It's It's really interesting. I mean, but someone who's actually been relatively close to a wild bear. What did you make of the scenes? People do it looked really realistic. People do occasionally survive bear attacks like that cuz a lot of times the bears are just trying to protect themselves or they're um trying to protect their cubs. You up. You get too close to their cubs. That That's a lot of it. Yeah. That's the thing uh uh about bears is that you may not know that you're between the cubs. Yeah. You might not have any idea. Yeah,

37:31you got to be super careful. And if you're right now, I'm worried about you. I know what I'm doing. I mean, there's there's a certain amount of risk. There's a certain amount of risk. Yeah, that's famous last words. No, watch me. I know what I'm doing. I don't Let me try this. I don't go where grizzlies are. I stay where the black bears are. I um if I do see a grizzly, we're out of there pretty quickly. You got to You got to be careful, but there's a certain amount of risk to it. Did you see Grizzly Man? Yeah. Yeah. Many times. I was for the Bears. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Right. Yeah. I was the same thing. I was like, go. That's an interesting case because that guy is is obviously mentally influenced Willow Creek probably more than any other movie. Really? Willow Creek, if people haven't seen it, it's Bob's Bigfoot movie, which we're going to get back to Bigfoot in a minute.

38:18Well, when Willow Creek came out, I was in the middle of my uh my Bigfoot phase where I was it was just ending. And what killed it for me was when I did that sci-fi show with Duncan Trussell and we went to the Pacific Northwest and hung out with a few Bigfoot hunters for a week. And after a while, we're like, "Dude, we realized it was I had a joke about it. I said, "Here's what you don't find when you go looking for Bigfoot. Black people. You're more likely to find Bigfoot than you are black people looking for Bigfoot. What you find is hordes of unfuckable white dudes out camping." And I'm like, "This is an undeniable statistic. I am not going to lie. Uh that was something I noticed this weekend at the Ohio Bigfoot Conference. Honest to God, I was like, "How can you not I was like I was like it was, you know, it was huge. There was and I and at one point I I said, where are the

39:11brothers at? They don't exist. There was two guys. There was two black guys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They were um they were lost. They were looking for they were looking for a car show. It's um it's it's this thing that men do when there's no chance whatsoever. I didn't get that though. I mean, I truly was cuz I shot some stuff maybe in the D. I I said, "Hey man, we need some people of color." Which I was told they don't exist. You have to cast them. Did you try You have to cast them. Did you try women? Did you get any women? How many women are they all like the same kind of like Northern California? One of my favorite no makeup. One of my favorite interviews was a a gal who was 16 years old and she was quite brilliant. I really loved her. She was Yeah, she she was my uh one of my favorite interviews. U did you talk to Les Drad? Mm- You should talk to Less.

40:04You know who who I wasn't I'm not doing like a definitive Bigfoot but you should talk about short about this festival, you know, this conference and uh you know that was the idea. Uh and uh so yeah, Bob Gimlin was there. your your your buddy. Did he did you ask him about the story? And of course, what does he say? He he tells the story, you know, he tells it like it actually happened. Yeah. One of the things interesting about him is that he talks about uh the amount of time he actually got to see Bigfoot versus Roger Parson who was scrambling around with the camera. And what did he say? Oh, he was just talking about he he felt that he didn't film a lot, you know, and he didn't. I mean, it's only 900 frames. Yeah. Yeah. or he did. Yeah, that's because he helped the guy get the suit on. So, obviously, wait, do you know do you know did we talk about the um Bob Heronomous?

41:02No. No, we talked about that. But did you the John Landis? John Landis, the the film director? Yeah. What about him? Well, um I'm really sorry. I was up since 4:00 a.m. Who was the guy in uh Argo that um was Yeah, that was the the movie where John Goodman's playing the makeup effects guy. I don't believe I saw that movie. Right. So So that's a real guy. And uh he worked I believe he worked with Landis. Chambers. Yeah, John Chambers. and he had worked with uh Landis and um so there was a rumor that John Landis is in the Patty suit in the actual Bigfoot suit itself. Yeah. Oh, I never heard that. So I wanted I wrote to John Landis I as not go well. I said I say to my agents because they're how he's looking for me to try to uh do something that makes money. So I go, "Hey, I got this idea for a TV show I want to talk to John Lannis about. I don't know John Lannis.

42:05I don't have an idea for a TV show. Can you get me his email?" So they get me John Lannis's email. And I write him, "Hey, it's Bobcat Gold Colidate. I'm I'm writing an article for a magazine, and I was wondering if you'd like to talk to me about this rumor about you possibly being in the Patterson Gimlin footage, you know, in a in a suit playing Patty. Five minutes. I get an answer back. He goes, "How did you get my email?" That's how it starts. Who are you writing an article for? Most certainly not in a Bigfoot suit at the back. Uh I I went back and forth and kind of calmed him down a bit. But yeah, it's such a bad suit, too. It's not a bad suit. You You see, you keep saying that. I It's terrible. What is it about that footage? It's obviously a man. It's You know why it's obviously a man? Why? Because it looks like a man in a suit. There's no other animal that looks like

43:07a man in a suit. You don't look at a giraffe and go, "That looks like a dude in a giraffe suit." But you look at that Bigfoot and you go, "That looks like a man. It's walking like a man. It has the same sort of stride. It just has longer arms because he's got football helmet shoulder pads or football shoulder pads on. And his arms, he's got these long fake ass arms. So like the whole looks fake. And why doesn't they have breasts? Why not? How do you know? First of all, let's take a look at breast. Oh, here we go again. We've done this a lot. Yeah. Here it goes. Did you know that? Now, what do you see breasts? You know what I see? Stop. I see a shitty suit. No, back. There's Go back. Yeah, but what animal has hairy tits? Do you know even gorillas? Even gorillas, their their breasts are unexposed. Yeah, it's It's shitty. It's all over. It's got shoulder pads on.

43:56I mean, it looks like we're Let me watch it again, Bob. You know, shoulder pads go down like this, right? They go down like this. Joe, you might find this hard shoulder pads. I know nothing about the sports. I probably know as little about football as you do. I don't even know the rules. Going to the Go to All right, here we go. Why? But here's my point. Why would you give it Why would you give it breast? Cuz it's a shitty suit. Look. Look at the bottom of his feet. It's so obviously shoes. Look at his fake ass. The whole thing is stupid. You're just sitting here looking at this footage going, "Now, let's stabilize." All right. See, now you're about to eat some crow. Oh boy. You know, let me tell you something. One time I got so high. I was watching this documentary. I was watching this footage. I was like, "What if I'm an and that really is Bigfoot?" What do you mean? Like you hurt

44:41Bigfoot's feelings? No. Like I'm just been mocking this for so long. Why do you hate the bears and gambling footage? Cuz first of all, look at how little its legs are. Little skinny ass stupid legs. That is not carrying an enormous animal around the woods ever is is is how angry you are at this because I hate hoaxes anatomically. First of all, let's let's talk about Roger Patterson. The guy who wrote this is a con man. A known con man who the guy shot it went to jail for writing a bad check to pay for the very camera they used to film Bigfoot. I mean he was a known con man. Bob Heronomous. Should get the video of Bob Heronomous walking right next to In the Bob Heronomous footage, you never see his feet. So, what do you mean? Watch. You His feet are cropped out. So, it doesn't give you the same height as Patty, but it doesn't have to. That thing isn't big. People have estimated

45:34that thing to be about 6' three. It's not that big. That's a person. All right. You really think it's real? Yeah, I think it's real. Oh, you're so crazy. Look at this. Look how he's walking. Look at his face. He's walking. First of all, wait. First and he doesn't have legs. He's walking. I don't know because it's the same height as him. I don't know. I don't know why. Well, I want answers. Maybe make another one. He's the Holy Spirit. But come on. Look at that. That is hilarious. That's the guy. I mean, that literally is him. Put some shoulder pads on that guy. Look how he's swinging his arms. Could you put yaky sacks under this? That guy's a big goofy Northern California, Oregon type character. Put yaky sacks under. But you think it's real? Yeah. So, you think it's a real Bigfoot? Yeah. Do you think Bigfoot's real like right now? Still alive? Uh, yeah. Really? Yeah. For real? Yeah.

46:25What makes you think this? Well, I I uh Oh. Oh. Can I prove it? No. No. I'm not saying I believe I think it's the amount of people that I've talked to that I that I'm looking at them and and there's no reason for them to be lying. and the the it's basically the stories I hear over and over where the sincerity I don't get if it's not I don't understand what the the uh the the you know what is this mass thing that I'm a part of you know um I've had guys after the movie like you know I have like people that come up to me and they're almost like it's I mean maybe they're trying to get a connection with me but I also feel like they're relieved to tell someone this. Now, did they see Bigfoot? No. Maybe it's their imagination and stuff. Maybe a lot of these stories, but just the amount of the stories is fascinating to me. It is. Well, one of the things they've

47:22realized fairly recently is that black bears in particular tend to walk on their hind legs a lot. Yeah. A lot more than anybody ever thought. Not only that, and they and they will knock a tree down towards you. Mhm. Yeah. And they can walk on their they can walk on their hind legs for great distances. And uh they're incredibly strong. especially the big ones. Like um a friend of mine shot one the other day on a hunt in Alaska that was 7 foot almost 8 foot long. Look, I'm going to show you a picture of him holding this thing up. And you think about this animal standing up on its hind legs and what what it would look like if that thing was walking towards you. Now my friend John is 6 foot five, I think. Look now. That's clearly someone in a suit. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's a bear, bro. No, no. It's a guy in a suit. So, look at Look how big that thing. Look how big that thing is.

48:19Oh, no. I I I agree. I totally But you see how enormous that is? No. And I I agree that the majority of of people who see Bigfoot are seeing black bears. An 8 foot long black bear that does stand up that just walks around and does a lot of the behavior that people attribute to Bigfoot. Yeah, I think that's what they're seeing. And also I think you're also dealing with woods. The Pacific Northwest where the sightings are primarily occurring is insanely dense. The way I describe it when we went up to Mount Reineer, it's like Q-tips. Yeah. Like you know like a box of Q-tips like that's what the the trees look like. You can't see 20 30 yards in. It's gone. It's like you can't see anything. Yeah. And also the canopy keeps light from coming in. So if you saw first of all the fear that would go through your mind if you saw a 7 foot black bear walking on its hind legs through the woods and

49:07you saw it in between trees your mind would fill in the blanks and Bigfoot has become this architectural archetypal cultural character cultural icon that is something that I not only Bigfoot but almost all archetypal characters uh IO and the devil and all these things I am fascinated as as a as someone who does write screenplays and tell stories. I always wonder, well, what what in the subconscious are they supplying? Is it just something from from from our ancestors that you know I mean that that is some or or does it supply this is how you told your kids not to go in the woods? You you know I am fascinated by what these different archetypal characters are and why they're created if they are created and things like that. Um, I think there was an animal at one time. It's not that I think there was an animal at one time. Everyone knows. It's 100% fact. There was an

50:04animal called Giganopithecus. We all know this, right? It was a huge that's ingrained in us that that our fear of that. I I think that thing lived alongside people for a long time. And I think when you talk about like Native American um they when their folklore when they talk about Bigfoot, they have apparently they have many many words for Sasquatch. Yeah. Um, and I think that what they're probably doing is passing on thousands of years of data. We don't know when the last time Giganopythecus was alive because they didn't know Giganopycus was even an animal until the 1920s, I believe it was. They went to an apothecary shop in China and uh, an anthropologist found a tooth that he couldn't attribute to any other known primate. He asked the people where they got it from. They told them where they got it from. went to the actual area where they got these bones and they

50:56found jawbones that would indicate the animal was bipeedal. And that's where things got really interesting because you're dealing with some bipeedal enormous animal that was most likely uh at least 8t tall, right? So, a huge 8-ft tall primate. I mean, we know that gorillas are huge and we know that, you know, there's the Bondo ape, which is this enormous chimpanzeee that's just recently been confirmed to live in the Congo. They have a chimpanzeee in the Congo that's like six feet tall, 400 lb. It's enormous chimp. So, there are like variables. There's there's different kinds of primates. They know about the hobbit man and Flores that lived as recently as I want to say 14,000 years ago, right? That that thing that lived on the island of Flores. That's fascinating. Little tiny people that they think also cannibalized humans. And they think that human beings

51:45might have driven them to extinction. They use tools. They were like an enemy. little tiny uh person thing that killed people perhaps. So I think a lot of our our thoughts about like leprechauns and things like a really good movie. It does. It does. Well, there's also people that believe that animal still exists or that that be that that small creature. The Orurang Pend is uh one I think is in Vietnam. They they believe that this uh this animal still exists and people still have sightings of this. And I think that that little little guy is probably more likely still alive than than Giganticus. Well, I uh I think it's it's uh for me it's it's it's it's I'm not coping out. I mean, I I do believe, but I also uh love the whole whole idea of it. I do, too. And and you've been in the woods and you know you can't see three feet in front of you and I love it when I'm out with

52:47folks and there's they'll hear an owl that sounds like a it sounds like an ape screaming and they go nah that's you know and they know but then I hear something else and they go I go hey man that sounds like a coyote. He's like well you know uh juvie squatch sometime impersonate other animals. Juvenile squatch. Juvie squatch. Juvie squatch. So, they're the they're the Frank Caliandro of uh Sasquatch. There was a bit from my last special that I did that was a real conversation that I had with one of these Bigfoot hunters. And he goes, "One time I was walking in the woods and I heard this bullfrog that was near a blackberry bush." And I was thinking to myself, why is a bullfrog near a blackberry bush? And then I got home and I realized that was a squatch and he was dead serious. Maybe it was just a frog, dude. I mean, maybe it was just a frog. In his mind, it had to be a Sasquatch. Like

53:44that kind of I'm impressed that you got to that part of the story that quick cuz when you ask Oh, it took a long time. Yeah, it's just condensed and you go, you have you had any encounters and it goes, man, I'm 5'6 and I'm like, no. The date was 1972. Oh, that I would like. I had a brand new pair of shoes and I had just broken one lace and I tied the other lace up and I was thinking to myself, I'm so upset with the way they're making these laces these days. They've shipped off their laces to China. That's neither here nor there. Anyway, I'm on a long backpacking trip. Did you ever watch the Bionic Man? Oh, with Bigfoot? No, Bigfoot was on that. It's just like it's never point A to B. They're socially Goofy. They're adorable in a lot of ways. Look, the guys that took me in and Duncan, the guys we hung out with from the what is it? The Sasquatch Research Found. I don't know what the

54:37name their organization is. BFRO. Yes, that's it. They're nice guys. They're nice guys. Yeah. But but I and I also love it because it's a uh to me it's a microcosm of faith. You know, there's the people that see it and believe. There's people that have never seen it. And then just like any other belief in a deity, uh, everybody's got their own version and everybody thinks their version is right. And I love that that there's all this infighting. You know, like while I was there, I would start asking people about, well, what do you think about Dog Man? And people are like, h, Dog Man's for idiots. This guy's crazy. Hey, why don't you go back to Hollywood with that Dog Man? Ah, that's so funny, man. Uh, I can't think of a a a more fun weekend. Um, they think that he can sense where cameras are. Well, different folks. Yeah. And there's those are the same folks that believe

55:39he's traveling in portals and too travel through wormholes in the woods. Yeah. Sasquatch is a an interdimensional creature. I've met many people that can sense when a camera's on. But here's the thing. Here's the thing that I I ask you. What evidence at all, if any, compels you to think it's even possible, that this animal exists besides that footprint that I have over there? Do you see one of those? Yeah, I got one of those. Cast. That's from one of the encounters. I think that looks like from I hate to bum you out. I think that looks like a from the Patterson Gimlin track wave. You think so? Yeah, I do. Um I don't know. Yeah, I think uh this is given to me by Bobo from Finding Bigfoot. Sure. Look at that. How you and Bobo get along? Oh, great. He was He was upset when I was ragging on that Oh, the footage. Yeah. Bobo uh uh when he found out I was doing a movie, the

56:40first thing he said was, "Um, I'm going to kick Bobcat's ass." He said that? Yes. Cuz he thought I was going to make fun of him. Wow. Imagine that. You make fun of Bigfoot and he wants to kick your ass. I didn't though. And you know, I'm my movie is very reverential. I'm not you know, it's a good movie. Thanks, man. I really enjoyed that movie. And I I remember calling you more of a suspense film. It's a fun movie. It's really good. And he it was shocking cuz I I didn't know what to expect. I remember we barely talked about it. He just told me it's a Bigfoot movie. I'm like, "All right." And I watched this movie. I'm like, "Holy shit." Yeah. the scene in the tents is is is I'm pretty happy with that. And you know, when we shot that scene, it was 3:00 a.m. 2:30, 3:00 a.m. And I shot it at at uh Laos Camp between Laos Camp and Bluff Creek. So, I shot it where the footage was filmed. Whoa.

57:29And we'd seen a mountain line. I can talk to a guy who's seen a mountain line. Yeah. That's up, right? Yeah. It's interesting. Have you seen one? Oh, yeah. I've seen two. Yeah. Yeah. I saw one run across the road and that was weird. And then we saw one in the woods and man it it's that's crazy. Oh yeah. Yeah. And it would have killed us but it didn't want to because we too many of you. We were just really close. It just got up and just like walked away like a house cat. Well, they don't worry about people because they haven't been hunted in California since the '9s. So all these animals that you're experiencing, they don't view people as nearly as much of a threat as they used to. But if you're like in Arizona or places that have a hunting season, you're not going to see any mountain lions. They see people, they get the out of there because they get they they understand

58:14the threat and they get used to the threat and then they escape and they run away. Like here's a perfect example. Uh Yellowstone, people haven't hunted in Yellowstone in over a hundred years. So when you go to Yellowstone, you could pull your car up to a herd of elk. I mean, they're right there hanging out. You can get out of your car and you you could see them. When you're in Colorado and you're in the mountains and you're hunting and you see an elk, they bark and they bolt. They see you, they go like this. They let all the other elk know there's a person. They recognize the threat and they take off. Wow. So, because we don't hunt in California, we don't hunt mountain lions. It's also why you never see any deer. That was really terrifying. Uh, and we filmed the scene. Did you just film the the mountain lion? No, we but we filmed there cuz they go, "Where?" And I go, "Well, let's just go

59:03to the left." And they go, and Bryce Johnson's in the fume. He's going, "Why don't we just get in the car?" You know, so he was scared of the mountain. So we Well, yeah. I mean, how big was it? It was really big. That's the thing I didn't realize. It's a lion. Oh, yeah. You know, it's big. And then we're filming the scene that, you know, the long scene in the tent. And the first take, it's 19 minutes long, the one that's in the movie. The first take he started crying while we're filming. Why? Cuz he's scared of the mountain line. It was just yeah it was the whole thing and you know and then you know that nature that scene is is scary and and uh I go that was a really good take I just don't think your character would cry and he's like my character's not crying I'm crying why are we here we could shoot this in a hotel parking lot no one knows where the we are I go that's really good

59:50use that intensity in the scene just don't cry again I I Crimin said the same thing with me. He he he laughed really hard. Like I think I live a fairly honest life, but when I'm in production mode, it's just I'm going to get it done. I'm truly truly though. And it's Well, you're under so many constraints. Yeah. And when we were filming um Call Me Lucky, the dock on Barry um uh we were uh out on the lake and the ice started cracking and uh one of the guys was from Ice Truckers, so he knew the noise. He goes, "Hey, we got to get off the ice. It's cuz it was like boom boom. Sounded like a someone tuning a drum. Terrifying. It was like, have you ever It was like boom. No, I've never. And I go, "What do we do?" He goes, "Everybody walk off the ice one at a time. 15 ft 20 ft between each other, you know, like we made a line, but we were far away from each other." And stay away from fat guys.

60:49And then and then actually did like a split like and then like snow blew up, you know, through this crevice. It was really Jesus Christ. So, we get off the ice and uh and there's this jetty and uh and I go, "Okay, guys." I go, "List just just climb over the fence cuz it says, you know, do not enter clothes chain." And I go, "Just come over here and we just go down the end of the jetty." And the sound guy has never worked with me before. He goes, "But the sign, it says, do not enter." I go, "Yeah, the guy said if he wasn't here, just jump the fence." This kid just jumps the fence. And Crim goes, "Have you been lying to me this whole time?" How you lie so fast? Got to get the chocolate. He's like, "Is this Windy City Heat Too?" That's what Grims called it. Oh, that's so funny. Oh, that's so ridiculous. So, we should plug this. I found out Barry's doing a special uh and at the uh

61:46where is it? L uh Lawrence, Kansas on June 4th. Uh he's uh Louis CK is producing a special That's amazing. for Barry. There you go. Oh, that's so great. Folks at the Lawrence Art Center, go out and check out. They're doing two shows. 10 bucks ticket, so go out and see Barry. What is he filming it for? Um, I'm not sure. I mean, maybe it's for Louis. You know how he has he puts stuff out. I don't know. I mean, it could, you know, I I don't know. I should ask Barry where it's What I read online was that it's gonna be released on louisk.com. I'm not 100% sure, but it's always beautiful. Yeah, Barry's so awesome. I love that guy. And I'm working on a lot of things. I really am actually right now. I'm I'm working on um a couple different things. I'm not going to discuss, but one of the things I can discuss is I'm doing a a a short dock on the Washington Generals, the the

62:40team that played the Globe Troters. I don't know about that. Oh, they're the team that lost three and a half thousand times roughly cuz they played the Globe Troters. Oh, constantly in the fake games, right? Well, again, you pro wrestling, right? It was Well, they Here's the what I'm learning is really fun. They like officially they were never told to take a dive, but but they knew it. Yeah. And then they up once in 71 and they beat the Globe Troters. Oh my god. And that's what I'm doing. Oh, children were crying in the stands. Metallark Lemon went into the went into their uh went into their locker and he goes, "You didn't win." And the guy was great. He goes, "But we knew we did." Isn't that great? So, I'm doing a short when the Generals won. When like other people would win the the NBA finals, I'd be like, "But wait a minute. Did they beat the Globe Trotters?"

63:33Where were the Globe Troters? I don't understand. The Globe Ters are the best. I've seen them. They spin the ball on their finger. They do crazy stuff, you know? Is this the actual game? No. No. Uh, but yeah, man. The Globe Triders. What a weird idea to like incorporate theatrics and sort of like almost like a pro wrestling type thing with Do they still do it? Yeah, they do. Well, there's the the Simpsons with Crusty the Clown where he lost all his money betting on the Generals. He goes, "I thought they were due. I thought they were due." I just guess. He's going ref. Look, he's pulling his pants down. He's just spinning the ball. Grab it. Grab the ball. crusty. I did the Simpsons ride the other day. Universal. I took my kids to Universal. The Simpsons ride is amazing. Yeah, I I I loved it. And there's so many jokes crammed into that thing, too. Yeah. It's It's really funny.

64:31Everything, even when you're waiting to get on the ride, the screen they play you. Yeah. It's really well done. Seriously, one of the best rides of all time. Yeah. And a lot of laughs. Oh, did you catch this? It replaced the Back to the Future ride. It did. Yeah. And then they do a thing where uh where uh there's like a shady dealing between Crusty and and Doc Brown and that's how the that's like he Yeah. So I even that was really well done. It's the same building and and they just retoled the ride basically. Oh, that's interesting. It's so much better. Yeah. It's great. It's re It's really like one of the best rides ever. How old your kid? Well, this was the young my Well, I went with my one my seven who just turned eight and I have a five who's about to turn six. So, you went with the 8-year-old. Did you go to Harry Potter? I went with all of them. Yeah. Well, the

65:158-year-old went to Harry Potter. The 5-year-old couldn't get to Harry Potter. She's too She's like an inch shy. So, next next time I'm going to stuff her shoes, and I'm going to get her to wear heels. Yeah, she was a little bummed. But the 8-year-old reads Harry Potter like every day. She's read three of the books. She reads chapters and chapters every day. She's obsessed. Like, she can't stop talking about Harry Potter. Did you get her a wand? Oh, yeah. The whole deal. We went through a whole rigome. But the Harry Potter ride at Universal is probably the greatest ride in the history of rides. It's amazing. It's really And I don't even like Harry Potter. Did you bring up Voldemort to any of the employees? Why? What happens? Because you're not supposed to mention What happens if you mention him? Well, their commitment is really impressive. They go, "Please do not say

65:57the What's the name? What is it? He who has no Go on. He who has who cannot be named." Yeah. He who cannot be named. Please do not bring up He who cannot. And it's like that old graph bit like I I admire your commitment. Uh but uh I know I know you came here from Inino, right? I just I just want to see if he's got a want. Well, and also they they serve this stuff called butterbeer that I guess was a big part of the and it's this unbelievably sugary like syrupy drink with like foam on the top of it. It's Oh, it's disgusting. And just everybody's drinking it everywhere you go. They're all Harry Potter. It's really It's really well done. Oh, amazingly well done. The whole It costs more than a billion dollars. $1.8 billion for Harry Potter World. Wow. Yeah. What in the So that's making new rides. They're making a Star Wars world there. Oh yeah. No, that's Disney World. That's even more

66:58Disneyland Star Wars. They're working on that right now. Even more pricey than Aaron Spelling's old house. Disney bought Star Wars and so Universal is Harry Potter. Universal. Well, I guess they were doing another world too as I I'll have to look up which one it is, but they're doing two or three giant world spaces like they got some lame rides. Jurassic Park's lame as Oh, the the um Transformers is lame as They're too dated. They I didn't do either of those. Those are lame. Don't Don't bother. Did you go through the King Kong uh and you didn't do that? See, that's pretty good. The tram Kong? Yeah, cuz it's the tram goes in and it's it's 360. Uh uh all Yeah. Oh, I did that a long time ago. This is a long time ago, right? Isn't it like 10 or 20 years old or something like that? Yeah, the backlog tour. I did that back in the day. I did that. But uh I'm super impressed with the

67:44Simpsons and even No, not with the King Kong that was like an animatronic one that had banana breath. No, no, this is Peter Jackson 3D and you're in a 360° screen. Oh, no. It's on Universal, too. Yeah. It's nuts. You got Yeah. Yeah. It That's That's really good. No, not the Not the I remember that one. Yeah. Yeah. And it had banana breath. Did it? Oh, that's right. That's right. It blows banana smell on you. You blow banana. It's come full circle. Let me get back to this Bigfoot Bigfoot conference. Like, what makes you think that any of this like this stupid fake footprint that's in front of us here? What makes you think? I'll tell you, you know, it's hard to do this. I'm not saying it's impossible. They Do you see that American Werewolf in London that I have out there? Yeah. If it's if that they could do that, what would make you think they couldn't do this? Uh, thermal ridges.

68:40No. No. It's the I'll tell you what's hard. Uh, I'm not saying it's not impossible because there was people being pulled behind a truck, you know, so the the with a rope, so the spacing of the feet and then you got enough force because you do have to put a lot of pressure in to make this. But here's the weird part. Um, and this isn't this isn't proof, but what I was really surprised with, cuz we made footprints in in in Willow Creek and did it the way you would think, you know? Uhhuh. Carved wood, put them on your feet, right? really hard to take that that second stride. It's really strange. It's like anti snowshoes, right? To the point where I got stuck. Maybe it's cuz I'm a fat ass, but we had to get like a stick to get me it. It's not saying it's not impossible, but it was really way difficult than I could imagine. So, fairly difficult, but still that's the best piece of evidence is

69:36just impressions in dirt, just tracks. There's never been a body. There's never been a trail cam photograph of them. I mean, hunters set up trail cam photos everywhere now that people have phones on with cameras on them. There's people hiking and hunting and everyone has cameras and but folks who have footage, what footage is any good? Wow. Other than that fake footage that we watched earlier today, what footage is any good? Look, a lot of people don't know that Roger Patterson also was Abraham Zapuda cuz it's the same camera work. He had one He had one thing he did really well, right? That jiggly camera. Yeah. Well, when they leveled it out, um it's I I just It's not compelling at all to me. I I really think it's fake. Yeah. Um but I wish it was agree to disagree. But I wish it wasn't. I really do. Like I want it to be real. It's one of my all-time favorite myths.

70:32So you would be thrilled if I'm so thrilled. I'd be so happy. I wouldn't sleep for days. What would you do about um Well, that that's the thing that's weird, too. Um I wonder what people are seeing if they're not seeing Bigfoot because I think they're seeing bears. Yeah. Yeah. I think they're seeing bipeedal bears and or or they're crazy or they're making things up. I think a lot of these people are lonely and I think it's a it's an archetypal story. It's I'm fascinated too though about like when I went to the Moth Man uh thing. Wh what what is it if it isn't this, you know? So why why is it is it the when you're getting ridiculed for coming forward with a story, why is there like over a hundred actual reports, police reports and stuff when on this phenomenon where people are seeing the Moth Man, you know what I'm saying? So let's say it's fake or they're bored. They're in Kentucky.

71:26They're doing meth. They're their kids. Whatever. They're out of their mind. These people out of their mind. This was in ' 65. Yeah, they were doing it back then. People have been their kids. No, not that. Since the what? 20s. Okay. Um, no. What? What? Uh, uh, no. I was going on that story there by saying by these are the wrong questions by saying by saying, "No, meth's kind of new." It's not. So, so what uh what's the right question? Well, the right questions are well, here here's here's why it's the wrong questions. Because all of this is eyewitness testimony, which is the absolute worst it most unreliable piece of evidence you can get. I was in uh so many guys on on death row, etc., etc., because of eyewitness. Uh yeah, when I was in Alberta, uh hunting bear the first time I was up there, I thought I saw a wolf. It was a squirrel, but for two seconds, I thought it was a

72:25wolf cuz I saw it in the woods. I saw it moving through this incredibly dense brush, and I went, "Oh it's a wolf. It's a squirrel. What the is wrong with me? Because I was scared cuz my senses were heightened. I was looking in the wolf looking for a wolf and because they are wolves. I'm glad that that squirrel didn't commit any crime. And your mind starts blanks. That is not the wolf that stole my money. That is a squirrel, your honor. You your mind fills in blanks. And I I believe that completely. But no, it absolutely does happen. People have put suggestions into people's heads and then put them in certain situations and then their mind actually sees things that aren't there. Your mind fills in blanks. Also, when you have memories of things, if your memories correspond with other people's memories, you'll adjust your memories to correspond to an iconic or archetypal

73:16type of story that people are passing around. And so, if you have a story that emanates from one particular region and one guy shows up at the corner store and goes, "Man, you ain't going to believe this. I saw a dude with moth wings. It's a man who is a moth. Like, holy You hear about Bobbit? He saw a moth man. And then people start getting crazy and they're sitting around drinking. And then next thing you know, Pety saw the moth man. I was coming home. I was leaving the bar. I was all mad. And all of a sudden, I saw a man with moth wings. And I stopped thinking about my own troubles. And I said, "Man, this might be a demonic area. We got moth men up in this bitch." And then next thing you know, another dude sees the moth man. And then it spreads and then those stories they become 10 years old and 20 years old and it goes on and on and on. People are full of

74:02A very specific time. It was for one year people were seeing all these moth men. Mhm. Or one moth man. Right. I don't And then same time there's UFOs in this area and then people were being visited by men in black. Yeah. And then this bridge collapsed and they believe that the Moth Man is some sort of banshee that shows up to warn people that uh something terrible is about to happen. Seems totally logical. Come on. Just fill in the blanks. Oh, there's the Moth Man. Found him. Oh, he's up there. Oh, look at that. Looks like a gargoyle. That's not That's the Moth Man, bro. No, that's fake photo. No, you know what's fake. You know it's not fake. No. Um, I mean, look, I I mean, the Jersey Devil, here's another one. Jersey Devil. Do you ever see the Jersey Devil? I would like to do a show where where I I go I take out like like Jersey like that Jersey Devil remind me of So, so I

75:00want to take out other other filmmakers like if Jersey Devil I get Kevin Smith and go go go in a tent and go look for the Jersey Devil. Don't you think that's a great idea? It might be. It might be funny. Did you remember what was that monster show? What was the monster show? Well, there's got all that, but I like the idea that like this is just Yeah. But this is just, you know, this this is just a reason to get guys who shouldn't be out in the woods. Do you know what I mean? Like, right, right. To take to take Steven Sodenberg out looking for the swamp ape. You know what I mean? We're not the most robust gentlemen, right? We're not the Avengers humor in that. Oh, please. But if you really do think there is one story, well, that's one of the reasons why Les becomes interesting because Les has had um two experiences and one of them that he is pretty adamant

75:50couldn't have been a bear, couldn't have been anything else. And he really believes that it was a Sasquatch to the point where he's dedicated weeks and weeks to going out into the woods and but hanging out with a known charlatan. The guy he's hanging out with is a total artist. I'm sure you've seen his show. Have you seen the Bigfoot show where the guy wears the the mask and pretends he's Bigfoot? You never seen the footage of what? Which footage? The guy that Les Straoud is hanging around with. Oh, no. Put a mask on and got closeup video footage of him standing there even blinking with this mask mask. I don't know what kind of mask it is. It's so fake. It's so fake. It hurts my feelings. It hurts my feelings when I watch it. I go, "Oh my god." You know why? because I have children. And that it makes me think this is someone's kid who grew up and he's now he's this

76:36stupid that he made this video. Look at that. That's it. But back back there. Look at this. As if this thing's just hanging out. And by the way, this guy who made this, according to the Bigfoot researchers, he's got a history with having problems with reality. And so, wait till you see the when they zoom in, it's like, "Oh, is it there? Is it there? I think I've seen." Yeah, I have seen this. I pretending it. It's an actual um Oh, it's a definite defin definitely a squatch. Hold on. Wait till you get closer. I feel like this is is uh hold 100% real. I just trying to zoom in. There it is. Oh my god, he's looking at me. I can't believe it. My blood turned cold. I started getting goosebumps all across my arm and I was looking at him and I realized this cannot be a man in a suit. It's too good. Look how bad that is. Come on. Look how furry he is. It's like someone

77:24with like one of those hats that like really rich old ladies wear when they're walking down Fifth Avenue. How do you How do you argue with that? Look how stupid that is. Look how stupid it is. Oh my god. Look at that one. Uh even better. Watch it. Watch it blank. Wait for it. That's how you know it's real. It's real. Bobcat. It blanked. Look how it's qua, too. Look, his hair is combed like fans. But I hear that a lot. Looks like Fabian, but he's got hairspray on that. Um that very clean. Come on. Get the out of there. Right. Look at that. Well, that obviously clearly that's fake as No, that's fake. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not going to But Survivor Man Les Straoud who's a friend of mine had that put that on the show and he had some like he puts out like a caveat like what does he say? He doesn't So does he say that that's real? It all becomes very problematic when you

78:15have money tied into whether you can't talk too much cuz it's on his show. Oh, he makes money off that show. By the way, that Survivor Man Bigfoot gets massive ratings. It gets bigger ratings than regular Survivor Man. Like, where he drops himself off in Africa by himself with a butter knife. Like, that that's impressive. That's He's done some real And that doesn't get nearly the ratings that this hanging out with this fake Bigfoot guy does, you know? Well, it's weird, man. Well, so soies. We're just not Well, they they bury their their their maybe. See, I talked to uh this guy Todd Dissotell, who's a biologist, and we did some tests on all these different things that people thought were Bigfoot Bigfoot hair. It's all bears. Bears are dogs or coyotes, something like that. But all of it we we did actual for that TV show, we have Yeah. We went to a real lab at NYU and we did real tests.

79:12It's all There's nothing there's not one piece of evidence. And then there was that lady, was that lady from Texas who was claiming that she found DNA? Yeah. Melba Ketchum. Yeah. Mel Ketchum. She was saying that she found DNA that had it was some some sort of nonhuman primate. It's it's It's tainted. But she's um she's kind of ostracized in the Bigfoot community. They've cast her aside. That's how you know you're full of The Bigfoot community is like, "This is too crazy even for us. Kick rocks, Melba. You're a selling your horseshit over here. Go pedal your pedal your shoe box. So, uh, all right. We're not going to agree on that. That's what it's not. But, but listen, I don't discount the possibility that not only did that animal exist, but it maybe even could still exist because the Pacific Northwest is incredibly dense. It's a massive, massive environment. That's the

80:12part that's actually the part one of the things when you get out there and you truly I mean they lose planes in there. Oh yeah. And they don't find them you you can be I've been in places where I'm like I'm not I'm lost and you know what I mean like and it's a question of like 10 15t like it's that dense. It's crazy. So that's what that and we're talking about insane amounts of acreage that people just don't live in from Oregon all the way down to the Northern California range. So I mean there that's the part that uh when I started going around and I went in that deep I was like wow this is it's crazy how remote that is. It makes it compelling. But the the the the shitty stories, the fake footage, the fake footprints, all the fakeness makes me wonder if you're just dealing with a myth that is kind of cool to talk about because it exists in this very strange environment. Yeah. You know,

81:09I I I uh I totally agree that I I love I do I do since I was a kid, I'm always been fascinated by these different kinds of characters and who are they and what what do they mean to us? Yeah. And and that's really key. I mean, I'll be writing a screenplay that has nothing to do with Frankenstein and I'll realize later on I say, "Oh, I was this was Frankenstein." Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? This is someone who who was rebuilt after being marred and became, you know, and came through the fire and became this monster that is unstoppable. And I'll after I get finished writing it, I'll go, "Oh, I just wrote Frankenstein. Goddamn it." you know, so I'm I you know, and that I'm fascinated by by that. Well, it's it's also the fact that Native Americans don't really have a lot of fake animals in their folklore. There's not a lot of But this one is incredibly prevalent. Yeah.

82:06And uh I really think it has to do with Giganopythecus. And if you follow where Giganopythecus was, Giganopythecus was in Asia and uh just like all the other animals came across the Bearing Strait. If they did come across the bearing straight, they would be exactly in the area where the sightings are from Alaska all the way down the Pacific Northwest, Vancouver, northern uh BC. Those are the areas where you have the BC Rockies. Those are the areas you have the most sightings. So, but there also areas where the bears are. You know, it's the same range as these black bears. So I think it's entirely possible that at one point in time there was something like that that made it over here along with um with human beings. And you believe that um this is um like um subconscious sense memory that has gone from generation to generation. I think it's just stories that get

83:02passed down and those stories become ingrained in our head and then we go looking for it. And I think it's entirely possible that written language is like how long is how long has spoken language been around for? I want to say I want to say it's like 40,000 years, but I might be wrong. I think I think language is like spoken language is like 40,000 years old, which is not really that long. So, which means spoken language most likely was around somewhere around the time that animal existed. Like if they didn't know that giganopyca is gigantoopythecus existed at all until the 1920s and the bones that they got from this one area were dated at about a 100,000 years old. It's entirely feasible that these animals could have survived another 30 40 50 who knows how many thousands of years until it eventually became extinct. So if that's the case I think people probably

83:56experienced them. They probably came in contact with them. Um, and um, there's also there was a bunch of different bears that existed. Uh, was it a flathead or a flatfaced bear? I forget what it's called. Flat-nose bear, flatfaced bear. But it was a prehistoric bear that existed in the plea scene that um, was uh, such a formidable predator apparently according to Dan Flores that he thinks it impeded the progress of people from Asia to North America. There was a huge like the biggest bear like as big as a Kodiak grizzly. Wow. So that these enormous bears flathead bear, shortfaced bear. That's it. That's it. Look at the size of this thing. I mean, this is an absolutely enormous bear that was the apex predator of North America that went extinct. Uh, find out when it went. Well, look at the size of it. Look how big they were. I mean, it's a monstrous monstrous predatory animal. And that

84:59this animal was uh the preeminent uh predator of North America. What year was that? Not that long ago. I mean, while humans were alive for sure. Wow. Yeah. Let's um find out when it went extinct. 11,000 years ago. That ain't That's nothing. That ain't So that would also be especially if it like the black bear and like many grizzlies walks on two legs, right? So if that thing was out there walking around on two legs, that would you know Native Americans ago Yeah. Native Americans have some weird relationships with bears too. It's one of the few animals that they refuse to hunt. They don't they don't hunt them. And uh a lot of the um First Nation people up in Canada, like I have a buddy of mine who uh lives up in Canada and he he hunts bears and he trades with First Nation people. They won't hunt bears, but they want bear fat for their medicine and they use it to make pies

85:52and a bunch of different things. And like bear lard is like very prized, but they won't weird religious stuff like weird cultural stuff. They believe that it's like an ancestor that's come back. All right. They have some some interesting ideas about their ancestors are delicious. Yeah. Well, they taste good if they eat the right foods. If you find a bear that's a coastal bear that's been eating a lot of salmon, they're not fun to eat cuz they eat a lot of rotten fish and they taste terrible apparently. But the bears that I've eaten have only been the ones that live in these dense woods and their diets. What part of what part of the country? Alberta. That's where you go berry. Yeah. Northern Alberta. Um mostly what they're eating is berries and and each other unfortunately. Really? 100%. That's one of the big things about bears is that especially the males,

86:38which is the ones you go after and kill, they eat cubs. Wow. Yeah. Like all of them do. It's like one of the main things they go looking for once they come out of hibernation. Wow. All apologies to my dad. Yeah. Could have been a lot worse. It could have been a lot worse. And there's two theories about that. I couldn't have another Bobby if I tried. I'm so full. Yeah. It's uh awful. It happened when uh we were there two years ago. One of our uh one one of the guys who was a guide there saw we saw two bears fight. I saw my own eyes a bear trying to kill this uh female's cubs and she fought him off and she kept fighting him off and he kept coming in. She kept fighting off. Meanwhile, her babies were up in trees. The babies ran up in trees. Like we were watching her move around and she was kind of aware of us, but we were far enough away from her where and we

87:30weren't moving where she didn't think we were a threat. But then all of a sudden the baby bears they they they piped up and they just ran up a tree and we were like, "What the going on?" And this big male bear came in and the two of them just started duking it out and they were like, it was like a UFC fight 50 yards away between these two bears. I mean, they're going to war. It was crazy. It was really fascinating. It was too dark even for us to shoot the big male bear because it was just it was wasn't enough visibility. It wouldn't be ethical to do. But it was fascinating to watch. Like she was protecting her babies from predation from another bear and she and she scared it up. Yes. But here's what happened. Um not with this bear, but in the same time we were there. One bear came in and one of the guides saw it happen, got a hold of one of the cubs, killed it in front of

88:19everybody, was eating it. Then she chased him off and then she finished her own cub. H It's a hard scrabble world up there. Yeah. Living in the woods of northern Canada. It's no joke. Wow. Yeah. It's no joke. It's scary And so that's the reality of these animals and the population up there is insane. There's so many of them. When people Yeah. When people think like they think, "Oh, you're killing bears. Why would you kill bears? There's not even that many bears. You know, go to Alberta. There's a lot of bears. There's They're all over the place. Like, it's not uncommon on a day up there to see 18 bears. Wow. We've seen We've seen more than that on other days. It's crazy. You always see bears. You always see them. When you go hunting for bears, the success rate is very high and the the population is very high. And also, they encourage it. They want you to kill two large males.

89:16That's like, well, they they give you a tag to kill two of them because they're killing all of these cubs and because or um fawns rather. They're killing uh moose uh calves, elk calves, and and deer fawns. They wipe out more than 50% of all the baby moose, baby deer, and baby uh elk. Um a moose. Yeah. Do you ever see them? Oh, yeah. That's a moose. That is Oh, really? Yeah. That's a juvenile moose. Yeah, that's a Yeah, huge. That was huge. That thing was 900 pounds. Wow. Yeah. Wow. It's funny like none of this sets me off. And you know, and I said because I mean this is what I grew up with. There was always there was I remember once my brother, you know, he would uh clean the deer in the garage and he had this idea that he was going to take the skin off. Uh, so he like made like he sliced the, you know, he he was going to peel the skin off of the deer with a truck. Yeah. His Volkswagen.

90:19Okay. Yeah. So he hooked it up and then it just snapped in the deer in half. Yeah. Oh god. Oh, that's dark. Dark. Yeah. Maybe that's why I'm a vegan. And you know, and I'm a like you tiny little boy, you know, and it's like Tommy's in the garage, you know, dismantling uh Rudolph with his uh Volkswagen bug. Um, I had this conversation with these guys from this this documentary uh cowspiracy and it was all like really heavy and it's really like um about factory farming which I think is disgusting and I think pretty much everybody does and the a gag laws which are even more disgusting which are these laws that are in place to keep you from taking video footage of any like atrocities. And then I went home and I I turned on that Steve Reanella guy's show and he was showing how to butcher a deer. And one of the ways they did it was they take like a rock and they wrap the hide up in this

91:20rock and then tie it off and then tie that rope on that rock to a truck and then pull it. And it just looks so up. this deer hanging by its like hunches and then they just strip the skin off of it like a sheet and they're like, "Whoa, is it safe?" And then there's is it safe? And then they're cutting it up and slicing it and turning it into roasts and chops and steaks and hamburger meat and like whoa, it just the the cold reality of what meat is and where it comes from which has escaped us. It is like it it has left the consciousness of most people who eat meat. They don't experience it. They don't see it. It's like it's one of the things that's insidious um about a lack of information because a lack of information changes the actual context. It changes what a thing is to you. It's one of the things I think is really devious about what the Bush administration did when they passed

92:21laws that kept people from taking photographs of coffins. Just coffins. They made a law against press taking photographs, which is crazy because they're not only they they are they're filtering and controlling the narrative so much that you can't even see an American flag draped coffin. Yeah, it's very dark because then I remember that in your mind. Yeah. Yeah. War in your mind only means war. If you lost your friend or if you lost your husband or if you lost your wife, then it becomes war. But if it's just somebody you don't even know, then it allows you to just keep going on. It's a number and it's it's it's just a number and it's very Yeah. I mean, what you know, one of the things that got us out of Vietnam was the the footage that was on the news every night when you're having dinner and you know that that that that was what ended it. I mean, what do I know? But that felt like

93:17what ended it to me. Yeah. Well, look, it's here we are. It's 15 years later. We're still in Afghanistan. Yeah. Why? And there's never any footage. Never. And when I was a kid, search for it. When I was a kid, that was what was on during the news while we're having dinner. And that was what I saw my parents turn, you know, my parents went from cursing hippies and war protesters to to going to the other side. Wow. You know, so that must have been interesting. Yeah. I mean, I watched it, you know, and so yeah, the fact that the uh I remember when when when when that happened when we it was crazy. But I think the new administration is going to fix everything for sure. Especially if Trump wins. Yeah, very excited about that. If Hillary Clinton wins, she's going to it's going to be all different, folks. It's not going to be business as usual. It's not going to be just politics. It's

94:15not going to be about money controlling politics. It's not. I don't care where she gets her money from, dude. She's got ethics. She's got morals. Those bankers, they could pay her hundreds of thousands of dollars. She's going to tell them off. Yeah, it's it's it is it is an an insane uh camp. And this is I've never seen anything like this. I'm 53 years old. It's the most insane, right? Barry must be loving it. You know what's funny? It was It's Godfather 3 cuz Barry was out, you know, and and they dragged him back in. You know, it's so crazy that he had to get back in. Yeah, I know. He was like up in the woods. Yeah, I know. Isn't it great? That's kind of funny. So So So we all uh we all get a gift from that. Well, it highlights how ridiculous the system is that this is all it needs. You just need attention and the in the Yeah. And the fact that it's not one man, one vote and you know,

95:05well, there's a whole lot of that. But there's also like what does our society become? Our society has become this really crazy thing where we pay attention to whatever spectacle's on the news. Well, that spectacle is now a guy who's running for president with plastic hair. And that guy, this reality star that you're fired and you know those Mexicans are going to build us a wall. The wall just got 10 foot higher. Now the morons are up in arms like we got a king. We're going to we're going to take over. And it's exciting. It's uh And white people are very excited, too. It's uh Yeah. White men. Let's make America white again. Yeah. White men and mean ladies. a lot of mean ladies that like Trump. All buttoned down, angry faces, thin lips like this. It's also interesting to to the the Republicans trying to knock out him, which is crazy, too. What can they do? I mean, what do they

95:57what do they have left? No one else is running. Yeah, Mitt didn't work. They have nothing. Nobody's ever said, "Quick, get me a Mormon." Did you hear about the guy who um who was writing a blogger who's writing a piece about Ted Cruz's connection, his father's connection to the death of Lee Harvey Oswald that apparently Ted Cruz's father was involved in some way with the death of Lee Harvey Oswald. Not only that, he may have played a part of in the assassination attempt w with uh President Kennedy. He might have had a part in the assassination of President Kennedy. Ted Cruz's daded apparent connection to Jack Ruby. Yes. And has some sort of a connection with the uh the people that were rebelling against the Batista regime and like a lot of his story apparently is And like people who have looked into it, it's one of the things they were looking into while he was

96:54running for president. They're like his dad, it doesn't his the story of his dad, his dad came over on a raft with $100 sewn into his underwear. like he had one of those stories and he made it with good oldfashioned American ingenuity. Apparently not. Apparently he was like a rebel, you know, and he may have played a part in the death of Lee Harvey Oswald. Wow. Yeah. Well, there was a guy who was writing the story about it and he wound up dead. Wow. Yeah. And you know, the guy even wrote, "Hey, if uh if I'm not around anymore, you know, this is what happened and this is the story." But people do that kind of before they kill themselves. That's that's part of the problem because they they think there's a real story and one of the things they they're all depressed and they think one of the things I'm going to do I'm going to make this story happen. I'm going to blow my

97:39brains out and they're going to think that, you know, they're going to look into this because they're going to think that I was whacked by the the man. Like as if anybody is running around killing people over Lee Harvey Oswald's death today. What's that, Jamie? This is these are the photos that they found of of Ted Cruz's dad. Yeah. This this guy in the white shirt here, that's Ted Cruz's dad. This was an unidentified man uh from the Warren Commission. So, they think that that's him. Oh, it looks like a Cuban fellow. Yeah, there's a couple pictures of it, but uh yeah, that's that's the link. Most likely. I'm going with that. I'm going to run with it. That's what it looks like now. That's him today. Well, apparently you his story doesn't add up when they um they check out the the his history when he says he got here. Well, when he actually was here, there's a lot of uh

98:32funky business. And by the way, I have a very very shallow knowledge of this story. I leafed over it today. Cruz responds, "Yes, my dad killed JFK secretly Elvis and Jimmy Hoff buried in his backyard." Ty Cruz got sunk by that video that showed the outtakes of him making one of those videos. Those did you see that with the family and his mom? Like it was one of them was like his, you know, my mom prays for me often times hours a day and she went like and they showed it like the footage of his mom like what if I don't pray for you hours a day? What kind? What am I crazy? Jesus Christ. Like they made them do t take after take. There it is. It was like so. It's so fake. We can't hear without the headset on. There's his dad. He killed JFK. That's what I heard. Want to hear it? Here. Put the headset on. Earlier this year, the Cruz campaign posted hours of this footage on YouTube.

99:31By law, campaigns can't coordinate with super PACs, so many quietly post raw videos like this on public websites as a way to share material legally. But it lets us take a rare peek behind the scenes at the strange world of political admission. Give me a couple lines from Green. That's too personal, Ted. I don't want to tell that. I do like it. I'll like it in a box. I'll like it in a goat. I'll like it. I want to tell that. And you're the best person to tell that. Well, there's some very personal details that I don't want to go into. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. I'm Sam. I am. I am. I'm Sam. You don't have to go into when Ted was three. Look at me. I need the book if you want to give me specific lines. But not a day goes by that my mom is not lifting me up in prayer. That's true. For hours at a time. Family has actually like made a

100:26difference and impact in our country today. Am I supposed to say like the same type? My family background is that my grandfather was a missionary in Africa for about 40 years. I don't know what else to say. I don't know. Just keep talking. Just keep talking. Just keep talking. Look at the kid. Poor kid. My crazy dad. Start that again. But the brother thinks too much. I can't get his gig down. He doesn't live there. It seems like everything is staged. Even hugs. Hugs. Proud of you, Joey. I love you. Oh no. Who's that guy? I love you, too. I love you, too. I love you, Mom. Oh, I hate you, dear. I love you. Oh, fake. I love you. I killed JFK. The guy right in his ear. So, I heard this is the same as what we're talking about. Line. Yeah, this is a big foot. I love you. This might as well be Bigfoot. Look at this. They're sitting around the dinner table. Just didn't even know a camera's

101:16there. Camera just caught us. It's weird. Wow. Let's hold hands in prayer. Dear magic man in the sky who doesn't like gay people, let's make sure that our food has all been blessed. This is just a casual uh you know we say grace first we lay the dolly track out. First of all, why are you pretending this is your kitchen table You know you got some nice house. You got cash. You're not living a simple humble life. You We were looking at before you got here something that I forgot about. Can we play that? What? Oh yeah. Yeah. Um, I forgot about this and recently I was doing a show and then they a standup show and the guy in the booth played it Avery and um, in my mind it was lot lot it was way more chill. This is our city hall got cancelled and uh, this is footage of me going on the show. Essentially what I want to know is do I still have to keep kissing your ass?

102:19This is after he's canled. Yeah, it is. I mean, why why I feel Why make it easier for the next guy? Are you really quitting? Yeah. Yeah. Well, then let's Come on. Let's cut right now. He's spray painted on his set. Oh, yeah. What is What are you saying? Paramount. Paramount sucks. Yeah. I don't even remember this. Uh, and now nobody stopped you. So, did they not know? No, they did not know I was going to do this. Oh, did they know you had a can in your pocket? No, no, no. After this, I would start getting padded down when I did shows. And this is before But this is before you lit the Tonight Show on fire. see-through c coouch cushions into the audience. Watch this though. This is Oh my god. He took a monitor and smashed it. A $3,000 monitor. Did they make you They charge you for that? No, they were nice. Leno charged me for the chair. He did? Yeah. How much did he charge you for the

103:34chair? It's like 500 bucks or something like that. Oh my god, dude. You're going crazy. This is so punk rock. Look at Arseno stepping in to try to stop you, but he's laughing while he's doing it. Yeah, but here's funny. Oh, this is hilarious. Flipping over couch. I like how you kept your hat on the entire time. No, there you go. You see, I'm bald. Yeah, but here's funny is Oh, yeah. We'll get stopped here. But they just when they broadcast it, they put this logo up. Yeah, that's but so uh when they broadcast it, they put that logo up because the director at the time just had this loving shot push into Paramount sucks. Oh, that's that was what they had a problem with. But when he wrestled me down, he actually he whispers into my ear as they're going to commercial. He goes, "Thanks, man." So then, yeah, then Leno booked me uh like 4 days after, you know.

104:32Oh, that's hilarious. He lit his set on fire cuz you thought like was this what they want? I was just I was more angry I think at Jay. But but yeah, he he's like no you know what happened over on Athenio and I go what were you angry at Jay for? I I my ego and you know he and fear you know he suddenly was having me on the show. I was going on the show and people seemed like they liked me. And the idea of being accepted on such a mass level was terrifying. And I think I resented him because even though he's older than me, I've been doing comedy almost the same amount of time. And he was always kind of always like doing out of vice. And it's like, well, I don't want to have your career, you know. Don't do it that, you know, and it's like it's like I'm I'm a man and I make my decisions. I just do a different kind of comedy as you. I'm not criticizing the kind of

105:19comedy, you know, you guys do. You know, there was all those sweater acts back then, you know, and and uh so I and and and I and I I don't regret it, but I do think it was kind of an move to Jay. It was an aggressive move and I and I and I apologized to him later on, years later. I was like, I was being nasty. Where Jay belongs is what he's doing now. I'm sorry. Keep going. No, no, no. Go ahead. I Where Jay belongs is what he's doing now. Like doing that car show. He's great at it. He's great on it. It's fun. Well, you remember him? He's a different guy. Well, but he's a funny guy. I mean, letterman, you mean? So, he would crush and um I haven't seen The Car Show and stuff, but Well, a lot of comics felt betrayed because he was this guy who was kind of like the hip smart voice of like mocking a lot of the stupid that we saw in the world. And then all of a sudden, he

106:12gets this Tonight Show gig and he becomes Mr. Living Room. Yeah. And he was he went from yeah I mean oh there I it looks like I'm peeing fire there actually. Um so he's got this show now. I think it's funny like in my memory I was like well it's just a little fire but that's a pretty good size. People could have died. See see this is cuz I have lighter fluid. That's what made it arson because it was premeditated. Premeditated being in the moment. Well, I mean, if I just set it on fire with a a lighter, then yeah, this was that's why it was arson. But anyway, his show that he's doing now, it's like something that he actually cares about. We talked about it. I had him on the podcast. He was like, "Yeah, I mean, I would have these, you know, he couldn't pick who was on the Tonight Show." So, they would put people on like from reality shows and he'd be like, he'd have to say, "So, you

107:01and her going to get married and what's going to happen?" Yeah. Yeah. That's the nature of that. It's uh you know I think Letterman made a decision after you know some days I think I'm paraphrasing but someone said who was on the show tonight and he was like I don't know and then he was like I got to I'm Yeah. That was when he decided to retire like he couldn't remember. I get that when I used to direct the Kimmel show. Someone say who was on last night and I couldn't remember. Yeah cuz it's a grind. It's weird. Yeah. It's a weird gig when you I'm always fascinated by the ego of the guy. Hey, remember the guy who tried to blackmail Letterman? Yes. Yeah. Well, he was the guy's girlfriend or whatever it was. Letterman had had some sort of relationship and now this guy has a relationship. My, you know, my take on it was this guy couldn't get past that she used to bang Letterman.

107:53Probably. There's probably some of that. And he was going through a bad divorce. So, he's like, I got this thing. I'm going to blackmail Letterman and let his current girlfriend I I think the woman who became his wife about this. He's going to blow up the whole thing. And I love that Letterman what the guy never ever ever thought of. What if the guy just does the right thing? Yeah. Letterman just said, "Hey, you know this happened." It went on TV. Yeah. It was beautiful. And it didn't become a story like the way it normally would. And he didn't do that fake I did something wrong. He said, "This is between my wife and I." Yeah. But someone's blackmail I just, you know, cuz cuz I always that faux apology is really strange like for for nothing, you know, like um when Hugh Grant apologized, he well I did a a bad thing. It's like well did you and would if you hadn't been arrested would you

108:51said hey I did a bad thing last night right? Uh, I didn't get arrested or anything, but you guys should know I picked up a hooker at, right? You know what I mean? You wouldn't It's so It's What are you apologizing for? So, but Letterman didn't do a faux apology. He just did the right thing and he and the guy's life came down like a house of cards and and I think was in jail. Yeah. And I think when you're like I think as a young man, you can't get past your partner's history, you know, and this guy I just think I don't know. There's something really poetic. I don't know. I'm I'm fascinated by the story cuz I the twist is all David Letterman did was the right thing and that was shocking to this guy and almost to our society. We couldn't do anything with it. We couldn't exploit it. Couldn't sell People magazine when somebody's just square. He also did it the way he

109:39confessed on television. He did it like a David Letterman conversation. Well, um I was having sex with someone who worked with me. Yeah. And everybody's like, "What the is he doing?" I love it that we spend so much time on all this trying to manage stuff and saying instead of actually owning something, instead of saying this is what I did, this is what I did wrong. Um, it's really none of your business. Yeah. Well, it's like when we catch someone lying about something and then they're they're they're deceptive. That's when people get like really into something. But when someone comes out and just owns it, like Charlie Sheen, like Charlie Sheen, like when he went on all these shows and yeah, I smoke rocks. That's what you do, you know? I I I I smoke all this coke, you know, cuz uh that's how I roll, baby. Everybody's like, "I love this guy." But meanwhile, if someone had footage of him

110:34smoking crack and out there, you know, banging hookers, people be like, "Oh my god, his career is over." Yeah. And and he would say, "I got to put a spin on this." Yeah. it would there would be some some sort of recovery. But what's really interesting is the Charlie Sheen thing. We're finding out that the whole tail spin that he went through in like 2012 was because he found out he had HIV. Like that's really part of what this all was about. And that's what the most recent uh blackmail uh attempts against him was. Apparently, he's paid millions of dollars to quiet this down. and he had all these sexual partners and didn't tell them, I guess, or so there's all sorts of other lawsuits and also the craziness involved, but that's what set him off and what made him say, "Fuck it. I'm just going to go out and tell everybody everything." And it was because he had HIV.

111:24It's really nuts. It's um I was thinking of someone else's story at the same time, just it's I don't know. I think I think uh we're just so used to this filter that that I I when someone is just generally honest and saying um you know that that is actually the the most powerful thing and it takes all the sting out. There's no you don't get any there's no gossip when you say yeah I did this. I think people are way more concerned with deception than there are they are with folly. They're way more just concerned with deception than they are with people up, with people making mistakes, with Well, I think it's funny when when when people will talk, I mean, not that it was a big deal that I set the Leno show on fire, but people now will come up to me and say, um, they'll be like or or stories appear that say I was banned from the Tonight Show, and it's like, no, I wasn't. That you you made

112:21that step. I was on a week later. You you decided that, right? Right. And that's a that's a common thing in, you know, in bios of me. I see people saying that I was banned. Banned I was banned. I was banned for a whole seven days. You lit it on fire and then a week later came back and would just say, "Hey, man. I'm really No, we did a bit, you know, of you lighting it on fire." No, no, he had me back on the show and um he had me buried in dirt up to my neck. You know, it was funny, you know. So, uh, it's like, no, that didn't happen, right? Just you made the next step, you know? Yeah. It's a common thing. I think we can connect that to Bigfoot that people, they just make up, right? All right. What do you want me to do? They don't want you to say anything, man. They don't want you to say anything. Look, look, like I said, I would lose sleep for days if Bigfoot

113:16turned out to be true. I'd be so happy. But I'll say this then, then then that's good. Look, if someone hit one with a car and it died and they had definitive proof that there is a real giganopycus and you see some you know, Land Cruiser that's smashed by some gigantic ape that just wandered out of the forest. Holy I'd be happy. I'd be so happy. A despondent one. Yeah. Well, not even if it was No. No. Just jumped in front of a truck. Going through a bad breakup. You made Jamie laugh out loud. But I think that I mean I think I could I could honestly say it would be one of the happiest moments of my life if they found a Bigfoot. If they captured a Bigfoot. I mean if we were watching on television and we were seeing like some footage from some containment area where they had these giant steel bars like Kong and they had this huge 10-ft tall wandering gorilla.

114:11I like your I like your Harry and the Henderson's uh uh one better. Which one was that? It just gets hit by a car. I Is that what happened in Harry and the Henderson? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I much would rather have that than than this animal sadly captured. Well, one of my favorite hoax stories is a guy in Montana put a ghillie suit on. Oh yeah. And uh tried to fake that he was Bigfoot and one teenager ran him over one way and another teenager ran him over the other way. So he got hit on one side, blam on one side of the road and another teenager the other way ran him over. Hilarious. You know, it's like, well, he died doing what he loves. You know what I mean? Like that funeral had to be like the, you know, Yeah. the the Chuckles, the clown, the the Mary Tyler Moore, you know what I mean? Just like, yeah, he was dressed up trying to fake out wearing a ghillie suit hanging on the

115:01side of the road. Bigfoot. This is going to be funny. Blam. The girl ran him over. She saw Bigfoot. She just turned the wheel towards him. I'm going to be rich. Bam. I think uh well well when we find Bigfoot when when so much confidence yeah I'll be back on you know they they're talking about using drones sending drones over the skies to well you know that the canopy wouldn't Yeah you wouldn't be able to see yeah that's that's that's ridiculous that's the only re the most compelling thing about it is that you just the the territory is so dense it's so huge and nothing man they don't even have a hair not a single piece of evidence Nothing. Did you ever see the uh Do you know about Jimmy Stewart's wife? Jimmy Stewart the comedian. Jimmy Stewart the actor. Famous Yeah. actor, comic actor. His his wife uh smuggled a Yeti finger out of the in her underpants. What? Out of the Himalayas.

116:02She put it in her Is that what you're saying? No. No. She put it in her underpants. She put her under where? Only in the back. No, it was in No, she wasn't wearing these pants. It was in her. It was like her luggage and she had like so confused. Imagine what she smelled like after she got home. She smuggled well a piece of this finger. Come on. What is that? And she smuggled it. Uh Yeti researcher Peter Burn learned of the Yeti hand and scalp on display at a remote Buddhist monastery. Yeah. But when they none other than Hollywood actor Jimmy Stewart uh Yeah. His wife smuggled it. No. And then and then recently there's been a DNA uh study and it's not a yeti. It was what is it? It's a Buddhist monk's hand. Is that what it is? It's a dude. Yeah. But um I'm more fascinated about Jimmy Stewart's wife smuggling what she thought was a yeti. Yeah. And Jimmy Stewart was part of it. Well,

116:55how big was the Coleman involved in this? I think goddamn big a yeti's hands would be. Yeah. Jesus Christ. Well, this uh this monk had big hands. Well, that was another thing about the Yeti. Hold on. Look at this, Jamie. Google this. There was a um they found one of the one of the reasons why people saw a yeti is that there was a bear in the Himalayas that was thought to be long extinct. And it turns out that it may not be. And it was a a different kind of Eurasian bear. Some large bear. Is it Is it a Is it a white bear? I mean, is it like a polar bear? I don't know. I don't know. But, you know, look, when you're looking at things in the snow, this was fascinating to me once. I was I was see I was in the woods with these guys and there's that we're looking at trail cam footage and there's a um this it's almost looks like a weasel. It's called a merit and it was

117:52supposed to be extinct. And so this guy's showing me this footage and uh he shows well yeah this is a merit you know there hasn't been one in 50 years and this and that and he goes but take a look at the snow like he he buries the lead and he goes this looks like a footprint you know he he clicks past it it's like dude you found he he's showing me all this footage so he found an extinct animal yeah this must be extinct yeah it's a merit gives and then he click click click click take a look at this you know we're looking at a footprint in snow and not concentrating on the fact that he found an extinct animal. Swear to God, I was like, "This you're burying the lead. You found an animal that was supposed to be dead." Yeah. But we're looking at White Might be Bigfoot Duke. But did he absolutely positively identify that as a merit though? Yeah. Wow. So, this was like huge news then?

118:46He he he didn't seem to give a rat's. So, did he report it? Yeah, he did. So now they know this animal isn't extinct. Exactly. Well, there's been some cases of that before, but you know what I mean? Oh, that happens a lot. But I mean, my point is is this is the thing. As much as I love the Bigfoot community, I don't know if you've ever gone and tried to get them to talk about anything else. They don't talk about anything else. They can't. It's all of a sudden it's like it's like it's really weird. Like if you bring up something, hey, do you guys see the new Yeah. Avengers movie? Well, it's so compelling to them because this is this thing that they've been searching with no reward. There's no reward and they keep looking and it never happens. Well, there's the women the the Bigfoot community women. Yeah. They, you know, they just did they're like groupies. No, in the Bigfoot community,

119:37I told the women that went with me, I said, really, you know, just don't no necklines. You guys aren't going to get out of there alive. You got to burk it up. Yeah. I really did. I said I said, "You haven't gone in one of these before. I don't want to see anyone's figures." Um Yeah. What is the most compelling thing to you? Is it is eyewitness evidence or is there There's nothing. I love that. Even if someone's lying to me I if if that's the case, I I don't the listening to someone telling me a story that that uh they believe is true. I don't think it's someone lying to It's my favorite part of finding Bigfoot when they go to some town community or some community in some small town and they start talking to them in the community center and asking them how many of you here have had a Bigfoot encounter and they know the camera's there. So, they're all like

120:30they all raise their hand. When we were doing this thing, I was doing this thing for CBS. It's called game show in my head. And what it was is it was a game show where we put this little earpiece in people and the game show is we would send them out into a pre we we created this scenario. They didn't know what it was going to be until they got out there. So, they'd be standing there and then I'd say, "All right, here's the deal. You are a news reporter and you have been sent here to do a report on someone who has seen a UFO. The problem is that person took off. So, you need to find a person on the street that will admit that they saw a UFO and they have to tell you that they were taken aboard that UFO and probed. If you can get someone to do that on camera, you'll win and you make the money because it was like a series of tasks they had to do. They all did it. Yeah.

121:16Everybody they asked did it. They all did it. And I was watching these people and that was the first straw in what broke the camel's back to me that a lot of these stories are because I was watching these people come up with these stories on the fly. They weren't actors. They weren't alerted of it in advance where they prepared a story. They just, hey, um, I'm in a bind. I'm a reporter. We were sent down here. And these people just ran with it. Years ago, Tom Kenny did that for uh he would ask people, he was doing the same thing, saying that there's this new movie coming out starring Danny Deito. So, and he would just keep piling on and they go, "Oh, Danny is so funny." And no, it's it's it's his mother dies. It's so sad seeing Danny defeat Oh, they just change it. Oh, they would Yeah, they Yeah. And it's it's uh yeah, if people find out that they're going to

122:10be interviewed and they find out that they're on camera, they will do all kinds of crazy things to comply with whatever the narrative is. It's real weird, man. And so when you're interviewing people and ask them about UFOs or ask them about Bigfoot, just the camera and the the fact that you're filming alone, it changes the reality of whatever their story would or wouldn't be. It it changes. It gets adjusted. It it it becomes a giant factor in whatever the story is. The fact that there's a camera on them. Well, I I believe on the other side of things doing like um after doing Call Me Lucky, I learned a lot about uh and you probably know this obviously already. Most people want to tell you their story and most people do you know what I mean? If if you don't even have to do too much, you don't have to make someone uncomfortable. You don't have to even be

123:05probing too much. Most people do want to be heard. Most people will tell you really personal things. I'm not talking about Barry, but I'm talking about the other folks that supported the movie, right? Um uh and I learned when I was doing that, doc, that the key was that I had to shut up and I had to listen, which as a nightclub comedian was really hard. How about that? We should I got to wrap up. I was up morning. But let me just bring up this topic. You're on the road a lot. Yeah. When guys come in the and women, they come in the the green room and they're, you know, you're in their club, you're in their hometown, and there's a whole bunch of local guys and they're nice and stuff, but when they start talking about standup, does it bore you to tears or are you engaged in it? Um, it really depends. It like who's coming in the green room, other comics? Yeah. Yeah. They they want to come up

124:00and they want to start talking to me about comedy and talking smack about other comics. And I'm like I'm like if you have any idea how much I'm checked out right now. Well, for me the real problem is like green rooms before a show. Yeah. I'm trying to get my head together. I'm not really into talking to anybody. I'm into going over my notes and I want to do a good show. Yeah. So if someone comes in and they get in the way like that's my Well, you actually say, "Hey man, step out." I don't usually have very many people come to visit really. I I I'm always hosting this thing. I don't know what it is. And I'm always just like I I'll I will talk about anything other than that. And and and I shouldn't admit this publicly, but but but when people come up to me and they bring up Police Academy, swear to God, often often I'm I'm I'm thinking of committing Hari Kari while they're talking to me.

124:54And I'm not even kidding you. Like I I go, "Oh, that's great. How old were you when you saw it?" And I'm just thinking that I'm And no, I really And I'm pulling my endrails out under their shoes. That's the thought that carries you through the conversation. It makes me laugh. Like I'm thinking, "Yeah, I'm thinking, oh, that's great. I'm glad you Oh, I'm glad you liked it." And I'm just thinking that I'm pulling my uh small intestine all over their feet. Yeah. There's You just got to eat it. Well, you we all do. We all have that. Yeah. Yeah. Me, it's fear factor. People start talking about fear factor. And you're polite. Yeah. Oh, cool, man. Thanks. I'm glad you like the show. But then after a while, you like, "Yeah, a lot of people it's like when they were kids. They were like in high school and they fear factor." For me, they tell me how tall they were.

125:33I was this big. Why? Why? Why would I give a about how tall you were when you watch Police Academy? Why? Why? Why? What? Do you like talking to comics um like peers about standup? Like if you run into someone that's like No, I I just find it's like Yeah. It's like it's like talking about It's like, you know, do you you don't like talking about like the creative process or writing or roadblocks or motivation or anything like that? No, you just don't like talking about it. It's just it's just it's this thing and it's it's I don't I don't feel like gossiping about it. I like telling stories. I love I love hearing funny stories back and forth. That's great. A lot of laughs. But dissecting comedy for some reason is is is it's just it's it's so uninteresting to me. That's well, you know, it's understandable. I mean, what' you start in like ' 81 or something like that?

126:26Yeah. I mean, I started when I was 15 and 16. I got a letter when I was 20. How old was I mean, uh, what year was that? Uh, was probably like 82. Yeah. Think about that, man. That is a long time. Yeah. You know, I mean, it only makes sense you would be bored with it, but but you still enjoy doing it. I do. See, so I started to like it when I jettisoned the persona. I even remember that. Like I thought I hated I thought I hated the wacky morning shows and you know Tate and Teabag in the morning and I thought I hated uh you know all that stuff and the clubs and this and that and I was just like oh I hate this character. I I remember the day it happened like it was like an epiphany. I was at Zanies in Nashville. Love that place. And I was like I and I knew that I couldn't do it. I had to go on as me and I made that decision. And so you went on stage and people were yelling, you know,

127:20through the voice. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. And it was uh it it changed. Everything shifted after that. And then what year was this? Uh probably like 10 years ago maybe maybe longer. Yeah. I would say it's probably Yeah, around 10 years ago and then and it changed for me and then I liked it again. That's cool. Well, there's some guys that just get trapped in a persona. We were just talking about Emo Phillips the other night because Emo Phillips is apparently back to his persona. He let it go for a long time and he just started just being a guy on stage talking about Apparently that people weren't into that. And so he's like, "All right, give the people what they want." That's the story I tell. By the way, I should just clarify. This is just what I've heard. I haven't seen him, but this is like um you know, Robin was uh Williams was my best pal and and uh

128:11he got me a job on on a Snickers commercial and I needed bread and he was so nice. He's like, "Oh, you know, you know, so I want you to use my friend, you know, Bobcat, you know, he's got to be in it, you know, and they're like, and they're like, you know, he actually put their feet on the fire and they had to hire me." And then he goes, he's like, "Don't take the first money. Just wait." you know, tell him no. So, I tell him no, and then they came back with more money, you know? I mean, he was great, right? Right. So, then he calls up me. He goes, you know, they're going to want you to do the voice. Are you okay doing the voice? And I go, for the amount of money Snickers is paying, I will a Snickers behind camera. By the way, I should say it's a really good candy bar. It's my all-time favorite. Yeah. You know, I I said I was going to go, but there's something I will will

129:00address a little bit and talk about. You know, Robin had um his his coronary report came out. Um and he had Louisi body dementia, and that is a it's a form of dementia that is very rarely ever discovered when someone's alive. It's usually discovered in their their uh autopsy. So, he had this form of dementia. I I witnessed it. It was mis uh diagnosed as Parkinson's. Oh. And I I witnessed this. I witness his processing reality completely different than the way everybody else does. What causes it? It's um I'm not sure if it's a gene or what, but I mean his sadly his brain was riddled with this. And so when I think about that, I think about how strong he was. You know, you would have like some days you'd have a lot of days where he was doing kind of OCD stuff and and and and processing things incorrectly, but then you'd have a day where he was back. So, you'd go, "Oh, well, maybe it's

130:06just had a bad day or or no, maybe it's the Parkinson's drugs and they've got to get those dialed in." You know, he had he was going to doctors, he was in therapy, he was doing and it just the only reason I talk about that is is his brain was giving him misinformation. complete misinformation and I don't if some and people die from depression and uh and my heart goes out to them but that's not what killed him. He he he really was getting misinformation from his own brain and was suffering from this disease. So, I just put that out there because I folks know that we're friends and they're they'll ask me about it and and and I would like a spotlight put on the disease that actually in my mind was what was responsible for his demise cuz you know a lot of people it's like did he ever talk about suicide? I go, "We're comics. We talked about suicide for 33 years." You know, sometimes we

131:05talk about other you know. He's like, "Hey, congratulations on the Oscar." Well, thank you. How would you do it? I don't know. I think a car. Take a car. You know, but I just say that because he fought, you know, that's what we do. I don't know about you, but a comic, that's what we do. We fight depression. Things don't add up. It doesn't This world doesn't seem right. And we go out and we spew about it and I feel better on a selfish level. I don't really give a rat's ass on the ground, you know. I I vent and I feel better. And and and he fought it. And that wasn't it wasn't depression. It wasn't career. It wasn't, you know, he had been sober most of his adult life, you know. So, so it's very disturbing to me that a lot of people were trying to attribute all sorts of reasons for why he did it. And even there was a lot of like um men's rights groups that were

131:55attributing it to uh his divorce settlements. Oh, brother. Yeah. There was a whole thing where this guy was uh doing this video where and I I even talked to him about it. It's it's it's he he had uh a disease. He had a disease that caused dementia that I witnessed. I didn't have anybody I talked to more. You know, I talked to him in text and every day. I didn't have a buddy that I talked to more. So, trust me, it it it wasn't a divorce, right? It was it wasn't his family. It wasn't it was we have the same agent. So, like when this guy was saying this, one of the reasons why it pissed me off because this guy was saying that, you know, he's in financial ruins. Like, no, he wasn't. No, he was wealthy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And also it's it's uh it's yeah I mean no one wants to um because we as human beings we're trying to make sense of of of of one why that happened and why that happened

132:58in my opinion which is right was his brain was getting who would know more than you was his brain was getting uh misinformation and he was processing reality completely wrong. I mean, I I won't go into details, but I did witness him thinking things that weren't real were happening. And to me, in the middle of the night, and that's the other thing, like people say, "Oh, he wasn't in the same bedroom as his wife." It's like, yeah, because he was having seizures and he didn't like to wake her up. Oh, God. It's not a question of somebody not getting along. I I didn't mean to get so personal. I don't mean and I don't mean to talk about about his his uh That's okay. his home life because, you know, Susan's a wonderful gal and and and it's just sad, you know. Yeah. No, it's awful. That's the one of the scariest things is um talking to someone who's whether it's a loved one,

133:56father, mother losing their grip. And I think people were they were courteous to a point, but I don't think they they take his his kids into consideration. and and friends and people who worked with them for all these years and I guess I can't expect them to, you know? I mean, I'm sure I've taken shots at people when they pass away. But it's just it's like people would come up and they go, "Did you hear what did you hear what Rush Limbbo said?" And I'd be like, "I don't care what Rush Limbbo says. I'm dealing with people who dealt with him on a daily basis." Let me ask you this. What is it? What is this impulse that people have to denigrate people right after they die? It's almost like everyone else is everyone else is talking about them. Like I saw a lot of that with Prince when it was revealed that Prince was suffering through opiate addiction. Opiate addiction. Yeah. And I was like

134:50there was like even Jean Simmons said some crazy and he had to apologize and I'd seen some other people say it too. But what it's almost like it's a a contrarian thing like everyone else is saying, "Oh my god, we lost his genius." Well, you get heat from it. Mhm. And I'm sure in Gene Simmons's, you know, I'm sure there's a jealousy thing, but you say I look, I used to say outrageous things about people and and this bomb would go off and I would get I would get some heat and I would get some buzz, you know. Right. Um and I stopped doing that. I made a decision. I you know, realizing that these weren't just uh harmless things I was saying. Right. Right. Right. You just Yeah. I think you know it was Yeah, because a lot of that when Kirk Oane died too, right? Yeah. But you know, and that's the I wasn't besties with Kirk, but I did know I toured with Nirvana K like my

135:46standup and asked me to go on the road with them. I did a bunch of dates. Yeah, we talked about it. But but I I I mean it wasn't like the situation with Rob, but but I did have times in my life where I spent hours with Kurt when no one else sitting around talking and laughing, you know. Um I don't know why we want to do that. I think I think I think we're trying to make sense of it. I think we're trying to make sense of it. I think I think that's where a lot of conspiracies come from. I think when when someone who's in our mind reached the American dream and then they die or look or or take their life or overdose, we have to say, well, they had it all. And that's what we believe is is the ultimate fulfillment and happiness. You know, the America is the people's republic of spring break. You know, no one's pursuing fulfillment. Everyone's pursuing happiness. You know, there's

136:42two different things. I'm really fulfilled. Am I happy? Am I laughing all day? Am I? No. But you're happy sometimes. I'm happy a lot of the time. Yeah. You and I talk. You like if I didn't know that you're this nuance guy that's very thoughtful and you have a lot of opinions and you're always considering all sorts of different If I just took like if I tried to form a view of you based on you and I talking, we're always laughing. Yeah. I would say Bobcat's so jolly every time we talk to him. It's like laughs and hugs and But it is true. And it's and it's uh uh cuz we never see each other before noon first of all. But it's a it's a it's a daily reprieve. It's a daily decision. You know, I get up, the squirrels are up before I do and I and I beat them down and then it turns and when I'm directing on a set I'm like I can react in fear or I can just sit here for a second or two and it always

137:40usually works out. Very rarely do I have to say, "No, man. This is You just sit there." I I think so much of showbiz is everything's based on fear and people thinking someone's going to say, "You screwed up or you didn't do it right or you didn't get extra takes and all that stuff." But man, my job is really not to to freak out. I'm really happy right now. Well, that's beautiful, man. I think you're doing some awesome work. I really do. I often tell people to to to quit, you know, because that's again that's very unamerican, you know, never quit, never give up. It's like quit quit quit quit and then until you end up someplace where you don't want to leave, right? And that's what I've done. Quit everything that doesn't feel right. That doesn't, you know, when when I made the decision not to go on auditions, it was scary and it became the best thing that ever happened to me. All of a

138:30sudden, I'm freed up and I'm writing screenplays and I'm doing, you know, it's like, what am I trying to get on? you know, who's your daddy or whatever the you know what I mean? Or a bird in the hand or whatever the you know? What am I doing? What am I doing? Right. You know. Yeah. But but you find your voice, you know? I mean, it's interesting now to to see the stuff you're doing. And the the funny thing to me is like someone in an interview said because I make about a movie every year, every year and a half, and they're like, "So, so what is the you know, what is who's the who are you competing with? What other filmmaker are you competing with?" I'm like, I'm competing with a grim reaper. I just figured this out like 10 years ago. What I want to do, you know? That's that's that's what motivates me. I got How old are you now? I'm 53. I'll be 54 soon.

139:16And so, like when you running around, you hit 40 like, "Yay, this thing's ticking." Oh, man. You know, and I I write a lot and I write screenplays that'll never get made, but I just write them to get them out of me, you know? Well, listen, man. That's what that's what it's about really. It's about whatever it is that you're compelled to do that you can do that you're talented at and then pursuing that and just all the rest of it, you know? And I see it in and people hear us say this and they think that, well, it's easy for you guys, you know, you you had this other career and all this stuff. It's like, no, not really. I mean, I come with baggage. Do you think the first movie I sent to Sundance, people didn't go, you know what I mean, right? Hey, Zed from Police Academy made a movie. Let's watch this. You know what I mean? So, so it's it sure we have a

140:03lot of of foot, you know, we have a lot of things are easier on some ways, but then there's baggage. Yeah. Well, there's just I guess that's with anybody that's been in the public eye for a long period of time, especially again a guy like you that's a nuanced guy. There's a lot going on. There's there's there's happy stuff and there's anger and there's silly There's mockery and then there's like really important points you want to make, you know, and then there's mistakes and there's impulses and we've all had those. Yeah. But that's that's the best part. Yeah. I don't know if I was on a set and and and I felt people weren't having an enjoyable time, it would not that it needs to be a party, but it felt, you know, if people felt compromised, it would really bother me. Oh, for sure. Like if you were having an actor do a part that they just really didn't believe in and thought the piece

140:53was bad. process got it was was unpleasant, you know. I mean, my sets are usually pretty ridiculous. You know, I'm the one that's probably internalizing, but it's very, you know, I can't explain it. Like, um, like when I was on Kimmel, you know, I remember once I I spent $8,000 and I bought 10 tons of snow and put it in the parking lot for Christmas, you know. And Jimmy looks out the window goes, "What is that? What is that? Is that is Disney have a I go? No, I bought snow for everybody. It's like playing snow. Oh my god. We made we made we went sledding. We made ramps. We had the hugest snowball fight. You know, life's short. Or then I remember once everybody wanted to kill each other. So I rented one of those giant balloon bounces and every you know everybody just bounced around and it was nobody there was no pressure on the set anymore, you know. Do you did you like doing that show or

141:50was it just too I really I really liked it a lot and then then I actually loved it and then when I started to realize I was uh honestly I'll be really honest right now when I started to feel like I was starting to phone it in. I was like going, "This is not fair to my friend, right?" Who I love, you know? I love him. We did a lot of directing, right? You did Well, I ran into you in New York when you were doing the Chappelle show. Worked on Chappelle the very first episode. Yeah. Well, I woodw worked at the beginning and Dave Chappelle's not crazy. That's the other thing that drives me nuts, you know, cuz he walked away. But I saw those people micromanage him and drive him nuts. They were so rude. No, Dave's not crazy. He's a friend of mine. I loved it. He's a very very brilliant guy. Yeah. Very smart and aware and has the the coonas to do what you said to quit to walk away

142:44from 50 million bucks. I'm uncomfortable saying this story, but I don't know. It's just trying to use because I I I know the semantics of the language. I'll just say what happened. People can make whatever. But I was I was directing that show and white Comey Central executives came down and asked me, they said, "Can you tell Dave not to say so much?" And I said, "Dave, the white Comey Central executives in front of him would like you not to say so much." And Dave goes, "Bobat pasha, what did you say?" It was really weird and awkward. And then they left. Like I intentionally thought, well, this will be embarrassing for them. This is exactly what you told me. Oh, good. Cuz cuz yeah, I don't think I've ever come forward that story, but yeah, I'm I'm witness to that insanity. Well, as the show became more and more successful, apparently what had happened was advertisers were skittish about

143:43being involved. Even though the even though it's gang busters ratings, they still were like, he's keep saying the n-word and um Toyota doesn't really want to be involved with the nword. we don't know what to do. And so, um, you know, they took, in my opinion, the greatest sketch comedy show of all time. I don't think there's anything that comes close. I think it was two years. So, one of my greatest accomplishments as an actor, cuz I don't really like much of what I did except for news radio, but one of the greatest accomplishments me is like I feel like I was on the greatest show of all time. I did a couple sketches on the greatest show of all time. I really think that show was the all-time most innovative and hilarious sketch comedy show ever. From the haters ball, like the haters convention to the um black blind race white supremacist that didn't

144:33know it to I mean you could go down the list to Rick James racial draft. The racial draft. Yeah. I mean he had so many killer killer killer bits. There were just that was so original. He's brilliant. Well, that's one of the most offensive things about what's going on now. Like, there's so much rehashed and regenerated and just they just take like a script, take a sketch from Mad TV and they sort of rework it and spit it out today on some new show and it's gross. I mean, that's what you're seeing. I mean, what Amy Schumer is getting accused of, you know, what you're seeing over and over again. And they keep showing these sketches. Well, here was a sketch that was on Mad TV. Here was a sketch that was on this. Here was a sketch. You never saw that with Chappelle. with Chappelle. All those sketches were unique and unusual. Yeah. And it was also kind of uh the

145:21funny thing was also uh in the editing process uh following the ball like like we would discover stuff that was just funny in the in I can't explain it. It's like we're cutting this uh Machubishi commercial and the woman her breast came out during the the filming and not in this per the script. I go, "Dave, did you see that?" And you just see Dave's eyes go right down. So So he busted himself on the He actually during the wraparound showed what he' done. That's And it was beautiful. It was beautiful cuz he was busting himself. Yeah. I uh yeah, it was really weird for him to be It just drives me nuts when people act like he's crazy because I think he's super sane and uh brilliant and really nice. Great. Whenever a black guy goes to Africa, you go, "Oh, he's lost it." Right. Right. What is he doing? He went to Africa to try to find peace. Jesus Christ. They

146:21offered him 50 million bucks and he went to Africa. He lost his mind. He lost his mind. Yeah. That's that's the thing that uh that people uh Yeah. when you when you again what I was saying, you know, fulfillment versus, you know, this idea of just having a 24-hour orgasm and, you know, yeah, it's it's ridiculous. We don't pursue being fulfilled, which is the whole jam, you know. Well, it's a tricky little dance because because we have to pay bills and we have to raise our kids and we have to be responsible. Uh, but you know this, every time you take that leap, every time you go, "Well, this is really scary." Every time it pays off. Yeah. I've never taken the leap. I've taken leaps where I did what I thought people wanted or I thought might work or might be successful. That always works terribly. But I've just said, I've got to tell this story because this is

147:12the story that I'm interested right now, right? That's always paid off. How's it paid off? Is am I am I rich? Am I this and that? No. But, you know, fulfilled. So I I sit there and I connect with a small group of people and that that's pretty amazing. Beautiful. That's it. The end. Good night everybody. Bobcat Colewood, ladies and gentlemen. Give it up. Give it up. Thanks, brother. It was a lot of fun, man. I'm glad we did it. That was great. And we we ended with the headphones on. Notice that. We didn't even notice. We didn't even notice we had it. We kept them on. Oh. Uh, is this thing still recording? Gary Johnson, tomorrow. Presidential candidate. Gary Johnson, 9:00 a.m. See you, Fox.