Dr. Mark Gordon

00:00Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan experience. Showing by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Good to see you again, my friend. Hey, it's always great to be here. It's been a while. Four years, January 8th, no, January 15th. Was it really? Yeah, that long ago. Four years, geez. Yeah, it's been four years.

00:25The last time you were here, right? Correct. Yeah. I think the last two I was here. So that was like right after a couple months after I moved here. Yeah, so almost exactly four years. Crazy. Well, waiting was great. Waiting? Waiting. I mean the time, four years, waiting to have another chat with you because so much has gone on since last we met.

00:49Well, tell me. What's going on? Where do you want to start? A? Z? Anywhere. Anywhere. Let's see. You know, the family's expanding, which is great. All three daughters have been married and each has a grandchild, which is making me feel old. So I've ramped up, stepped up my hormonal treatment to keep me on edge because I want to be around a lot longer to take care of these kids or to be with the kids.

01:14They're just 16 months, but they're still fantastic. Unbelievable. I love it. That's great. Absolutely love it. But in the world that I work in, in the medical arena, it's been expanding rapidly. The new administration has a part to play in it, which is great. But even before that, the number of results that we're having, the outcome from TBI, PTSD, and what have you, has been accelerating because of some of our testing that we do as well as our treatment that we've initiated that's changed since four years ago, since last time. What have you added in the last four years?

01:52Well, we've added a lot more nootropic, excuse me, not nutraceuticals, natural products into our regiment. You know, I spent 16 years looking at the science behind things that can get into the brain and alter the inflammation that occurs in the brain. The whole premise of everything that I've been doing for the last 30 years has been based upon inflammation in the brain. And the inflammation is what stops all the chemistry and why we develop anger and, you know, problems. I don't know if you saw the article, which is called Influence of Media on the Mental Health of America, which used to be called the Trump Derangement Syndrome. But I got so much backlash from having that title. People wouldn't read it because of the title. And it talks about how constant stress from the media, echo chambers, social media, reading all this bullshit, causes cortisol to go up. No doubt. And it shuts down a chemical that protects your brain called fractalcan. And then it starts dumping all this inflammation.

02:49and causes loss of serotonin, so you become more depressed. It causes loss of melatonin, so you can't sleep. Generates another group of chemicals that induce depression. Yeah, it essentially generates this response in your body that prepares itself for a fight that never takes place. Correct. And then you're always thinking you're about to get into some sort of a physical altercation with an armed enemy coming over the top of the hill. Vigilant state, just like our army goes through. Constant stress. Exactly. And the thing, the Army, and a lot of these people that you've worked with is from IEDs and from blowing through doors and stuff like that, they get damage to their pituitary gland.

03:31You know, we've talked about it many, many times on the podcast. But I think one of the misperceptions is, as you said, and I apologize for that, is that we think it's all due to pituitary gland, but it isn't. In the work that we've been doing, it shows that when you have inflammation in the brain, regardless of how it's developed, whether or not it's IED or slip and fall or as we've talked in the past, even wave runners, ski-doos or skiing or water skiing, snow skiing or going to the range, the .50 caliber gunners, what happens is it creates this inflammation that shuts off the ability of the brain to regulate the pituitary gland. So you can do all the MRIs as they do at the VA, and they see a normal pituitary gland and says, oh, pituitary is normal. You've got PTSD. But there's no radiological or neuroradiological procedure that will allow you to look at inflammation in the brain. So they assume they can't find any structural damage, that it has to be all psychiatric. Sort of like when they used to have to diagnose CTE after you were already dead. Correct. Isn't that how they're doing it now? No, I think they can scan for it now.

04:41There's a PET scan that can look for the tau protein. Is that what it is? Yeah. Yeah, tau proteins, hyperphosphorated tau becomes these NFTs, these neurofibril tangles, which is an interesting issue. It's been part of my last year of deep dive trying to find out why is it that you develop CTE or the symptoms relative to CTE? Why is it that you develop the symptoms relative to Parkinson's or Alzheimer's or multiple sclerosis? Well, it turns out that the biochemistry is all the same. Something called beta amyloid, which is the hallmark for someone with Alzheimer's disease. And then these tau proteins, hyperphosphylated tau proteins that they call NFTs, that they circulate around the blood vessels. And they create this intense inflammation. And that intense inflammation causes loss of blood supply, damage to neurons.

05:36And you develop it. So we've had, using our protocol, we have our sixth case of multiple sclerosis that was totally put into remission. It took 90 days to put them in remission. It was a lieutenant. Yeah, it's a video up on. And what's the protocol that did that? The protocol is the nutraceutical that drops the inflammation and replacing the hormones that are deficient that protect the brain. What is in the nutraceutical? In the nutraceuticals, there is quercetin. You know about quercetin. It's got DHA from omegas.

06:17It has in it glutathione, anacylcysteine. It's got B12. That's on one component of it. The other component has B1, B2, which deals with neurocommunication. And then it's got PQQ and CoQ10. PQQ is a form of CoQ10. It's a sister. And it's 100 to 1,000 times stronger. But it's what it does. It increases mitochondrial function. I know you've had a lot of people here talking about mitochondrial function.

06:45And that's a major piece in how to reverse things like neurodegenerative diseases and improve mental functioning. I mean, products like you have, like AlphaBrain, you know, has an effect on improving mitochondrial function. And that's what you want to do. That's a key. So you have to drop the inflammation because inflammation causes mitochondria that produce ATP. It causes mitochondrial dysfunction. So in all those neurodegenerative diseases, mitochondrial dysfunction has been ignored in the past, and you need to address it. So PQQ and CoQ10 are two very, very potent. When added together, they stimulate mitochondrial ATP production and replication of mitochondria. Quercetin does the same thing. That's why it's so important.

07:37Quercetin, you were explaining to me before that it's an ionophore. Correct. And that it gets ions into the bloodstream better. So it's when you consume it with zinc. Right. This is a paid advertisement for BetterHelp. Life is kind of like a book. And every new year is the start of a new chapter. Except in this case, the pages are blank. And you can write whatever the fuck you want. Maybe you're working towards buying a new home.

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08:56Write your story with BetterHelp. Our listeners get 10% off their first month at BetterHelp.com slash J-R-E. That's betterhelp.com slash JRE. But that's one. That's one of its functions. But there are five functions that it has. Of course, it's amazing. It's an ionophore, which is when we talked about COVID and zinc. It carries zinc into the cell to shut down the ability of the COVID SARS from replicating. Or any virus, essentially. Well, it works with SARS and it works with influenza A and B.

09:31It works with rhinovirus and enterovirus, gut viruses that you can get during summertime. So what I was just getting at is it's beneficial for people all year round, not just people that think they might be getting COVID. Absolutely. So I take 500 milligrams twice a day. Of quercetin and how much zinc with that? 30 milligrams. Okay. I take 30. And you do that twice a day? I do that, the quercetin twice a day, but zinc, because my levels are where they're at. I don't put a lot of zinc in because zinc's involved in about 300 processes in the body.

10:04It's antiviral that we just talked about. It's anti-Alzheimer's because it turns out that the production of the chemical called beta amyloid, there's an enzyme that regulates it, and it's zinc-dependent. So if it's working, it's called secretase. It's called alpha secretase. It's zinc-dependent. Beta secretase is not. So beta secretase takes and makes the beta amyloid that causes the Alzheimer's, the inflammation. And with that inflammation, you then start getting the same thing in CTE. So in all these inflammatory conditions, they have the same beta amyloid and cause for CTE, the hyperphospholated tau protein that we call NFTs, neurofibro tangles. So they're all related.

10:54So what quercetin does is it increases mitochondrial replication in about seven days, doubles the amount of mitochondria intracellularly. It helps increase in the liver something called IGF binding protein 3, insulin-like binding protein 3. Binding protein 3 is always looked at as being the carrier for IGF-1. An insulin-like growth factor, growth hormone, turns on in the liver, the production of insulin-like growth factor, which is the main below-the-neck growth factor for our body, improves protein synthesis, decreases inflammation too. Wow. Okay. A sidetrack, when you're talking about beta amyloid and Alzheimer's, Wasn't there a significant amount of fraud that was exposed about Alzheimer's studies that put into question a lot of the ideas that people had about Alzheimer's? Wasn't that something that happened recently? Well, in the train of thought on Alzheimer's, you know, they're saying that it's due to the recessive genes.

12:00Well, if you look at the studies recently, 95% of the cases of Alzheimer's disease appear to be due to trauma and aging. Trauma and aging. Only 5%. So trauma, like head trauma? Head trauma. Because what happens is trauma stimulates the brain because of inflammation to increase the production of beta amyloid. And it's because they found recently another secretase. What secretases are, are the enzymes that convert a protein called APP, Alzheimer's precursor protein. And it's a long protein, and two enzymes go in and clip it here and clip it here. And that piece is beta amyloid. That's the bad stuff.

12:48That's a beta secretase and a gamma secretase. But they also have something called alpha secretase. So if alpha secretase and gamma secretase cut this APP, it generates alpha amyloid, which is inert, not inflammatory. So what did they find recently? Something called delta secretase. Delta secretase and gamma gives you beta amyloid. So how do you generate delta secretase in the body? Trauma, aging. So that's why most of the cases of Alzheimer's disease are inflammatory-based. So what are the things that— I'm sorry, but most cases, is there a certain age where people start to develop it?

13:35And has there been any cases of very young people that get Alzheimer's? There's a young form of Alzheimer's, and that might be directly due to having had head trauma and developing this delta amyloid or delta secretase generating amyloid, beta amyloid, that creates the Alzheimer's disease. As you get older, 65 years of age and above, that could be 5% genetic. But I think what the literature is really speaking towards is that it all has an inflammatory basis. Remember, trauma in the brain equates out to inflammatory processes. It's part of the brain's ability to try and protect us. Okay? Remove junk, bacteria, mold, viruses from the brain, and also metabolites of abnormal metabolism in the brain. Well, what was the scandal, the Alzheimer's research scandal?

14:29Because it was pretty significant, and they were saying that it throws into question all of these previous assumptions and therapies that they were providing for Alzheimer's disease. and this person had made a significant amount of money. Yeah. It's the antibodies. It's the treatment protocols, the antibodies against beta amyloid. And they found that even though you were against beta amyloid, you were still progressing on to develop symptoms of Alzheimer's disease. But they were talking about fraud. This was like fraud in scientific research. Yeah, this is recent. How a retracted paper affected the course of Alzheimer's research.

15:08But it's one paper, and what was the focus of? Okay. June 2024, landmark Alzheimer's research page was retracted due to fraud allegations. Do we waste billions of dollars and thousands of hours of scientist time? Maybe not. Are new potentially hopeful drugs on the market targeting the subject of the paper, amyloid beta? The video breaks down the amyloid beta hypothesis, the fraud itself, and where we go from here. So what is the fraud itself, Jamie? Does it say? So you can find an article. That's just not a video.

15:38Not attached to a video. Beta amyloid data. See, they've been relying on beta amyloid as being the focus. And what they're finding is the treatment that addresses beta amyloid, antibody against beta amyloid, people are still getting progression of the disease. I understand this, but I just want to know what the fraud was. Oh, okay. So what is the fraud? Amyloid hypothesis. Scroll down a little bit, Jamie. What's the fraud? Where does it get to the – what did the paper bullshit about?

16:05Putting it into perspective. Mm-hmm. Do-do-do-do-do-do. Okay. 56 paper lead to. But later posted and failed to find. Where's the fraud? What's it say? Let me try a different search. Yeah, just find out, like, what was the fraud. This seems, like, very involved.

16:30This is a science journal. Well, you know that in, there are papers that have been written about reproducibility. Reproducibility is where a researcher does a paper, makes a claim about the results of his science, and then people look at that and they want to go and reproduce it to prove it. They found that 70% of them can't be reproduced. And when you looked at the actual scientist who did the original work, goes back and tries to reproduce it, 7% failure rate. So there are major publications that have talked about this reproducibility error. I mean, you can go on to Google Scholar or else into Google and look at reproducibility. Okay, here it is. But over the past two years, questions have arisen about some of Masila. How do you say his name? Masila?

17:20Masa. Masila. You were great. Maslia. Maslia. Maslia. Maslia's research. A science investigation has now found that scores of his lab studies at UCSD and NIA are riddled with apparently falsified Western blots. images used to show the presence of proteins and micrographs of brain tissue. Numerous images seem to have been inappropriately reused within and across papers, sometimes published years apart in different journals,

17:50describing divergent experimental conditions. After science brought initial concerns about Maslia's work to their attention, the neuroscientists and forensic analysts specializing in scientific work had previously worked with science, produced a 300-page dossier revealing a steady stream of suspect images between 1997 and 2023 at 132 of his published research papers. Science did not pay them for their work. In our opinion, this pattern of anomalous data raises credible concern for research misconduct and calls into question a remarkably large body of scientific work. Okay. So it seems like the fact that he was reusing the same images, stating that they were new images. So he was stacking the deck in his favor.

18:39Right. Because he had a point to make. God, that's so gross. $2.6 billion. Jeez. That's what the budget was. That's the National Institute of Health, yeah. Jeez. Dwarves the rest of the National Institute, the NIA combined. He was in charge of the Division of Neuroscience. That is so crazy.

18:57So the budget of the Division of Neuroscience alone was $2.6 billion in the last fiscal year. And this guy was a key leader for the effort. Man, how gross. But that's pressure and competition and very ambitious people who have shitty morals. Yeah. Right? That's what that is. Yes. Publish or perish. Publish or perish is the motto, right? That's the motto.

19:23If they don't publish and have a positive finding, they're not going to get funding for the next project that they have. And when someone does publish, like this gentleman who allegedly published falsified data, is there someone who goes over that stuff to make sure that that's not the case? Yeah, the editors of the journal that he's presenting it to. Right, but is there preferential treatment for people that are established scientists that are thought to be beyond criticism? Theoretically. Like a gentleman like this who has an enormous position of power and a $2.6 billion budget behind him? Well, but look at the bottom line. Which pharmaceutical company was involved in it? Hmm. Yeah. Okay?

20:01Which pharmaceutical? And, you know, that's one of the problems that, you know, RFK Jr. will be generating is that as he finds that this science is 70 percent, you can't reproduce it, meaning that it's maybe not accurate. Maybe there's a little bit of bias. That's being kind. That's being kind. I'm trying to be kind. Yeah, because otherwise it's fraudulent, right? It is. Correct. I was just reading an article about Alzheimer's that was claiming that Alzheimer's didn't even exist until modern times. Statins.

20:37Statins cause Alzheimer's? Is that what you're saying? This article was connecting it to our diet, the standard American diet. And they were saying that all the bullshit food that people eat is contributing to this condition. And what I was going to get to you is that would lead to inflammation, correct? You got it. Because the bullshit American diet filled with crap is terrible for you, and that leads to inflammation. You look at the inflammatory neurodegenerative diseases. What does everyone have now? It says a low inflammatory diet. Right.

21:08That's what it talks about. But also in HIIT and high-impact interval training and high-impact aerobics, what happens is you can increase a chemical in the brain called brain-derived neurotrophic factor, which is something that helps to improve neuron-to-neuron communication and neurology of your brain. And I don't know if you saw, we have one of your favorite guys, Gerald McClellan. I don't know if you've seen some of the papers that have come out. He had a stroke in 95 fighting Nigel Benn in London. And during that fight, it was a horrible fight if you've ever seen the— It's a crazy fight. So anyway, he had a stroke from that and was hospitalized for 11 days in a coma in ICU in London. Gets out. His sister, Lisa McClellan, refuses to put him into a nursing home, into a hospice health, takes him into the house in Chicago. and for 29 years dealt with them.

22:06She develops an organization called Ring of Brotherhood where Muhammad Ali's niece and son are, I think, a part of it. And they take care of boxers who are leaving the ring who have symptoms, punch drunk or what do they call it, precox or pugilistic, dementia pugilistic. Yeah. And she contacted me and told me about her brother. and I looked at stuff and what we did was we set up a fund and we paid for his laboratory work and his initial assessment and we found he was hormonally deficient. So what we ended up doing is putting him on to the hormone replacement and to one of the peptides that we use, which is called Enosil C-Max, which stimulates the brain to produce more brain-derived neurotrophic factor. He's in Chicago. I'm in California or here in Texas, Magnolia. And one of our docs in Chicago took the lead. I just gave her what to do. He's 20 percent better in four months on the protocol.

23:13He's now remembering things. He's communicating. He's on the phone. And a boxing journalist, Oliver Fennell, came from London to Chicago and wrote a paper, which is called A Day in the Life of Gerald McClellan, and talks about what happened and where he's gone. And he's had some improvement. That's incredible. Yeah, phenomenal. 20% improvement. I'm sure we talked about Rick Perry before the podcast started, so I'm sure you're aware of his push to legalize Ibogaine and start using Ibogaine for people with traumatic brain injuries. And he was talking about how it regenerates neural tissue and helps people significantly. And then on top of that, the addiction issue where people have addictions and Ibogaine is incredible for curing those, like literally curing them. And one with one session is in the 80% range. With two sessions, it's somewhere around 97%, which is just crazy. 93% to 97%. It's phenomenal. I give a lot of credit to Rick Perry.

24:20In 2022, they had HB 1802, which is the first bill in any state where the state put money into a research project at Baylor for psilocybin is where he started. So it was Rick Perry, Andrew Moore was part of it, along with Dr. Martine. Shout out to our friend Andrew. Yeah. Hello, Andrew. And let's see, Dr. Martine Polanco, who I'll cycle back to because the Ibogaine issue is what he helped to develop. So it was also Representative Alex Dominguez who helped to push it through to get the funding for it. And it's at Baylor with a doctor by the name of Lynette Avril, Ph.D. She's, I believe, the one who's in charge of it. But recently, you know, we have ayahuasca. We've got Ibogaine.

25:15We've got LSD. We've got MMTA. The Ibogaine seems to be really good for addiction and for neuroregeneration, which is what you were talking about, to improvement in the neurofunction. Downside is the cardiovascular. So it has to always be under a very strict, very close observation. Right. And the doctor that I talked about, MD, Martin Polanco, who has clinics in Mexico, uses Ibogaine. And one of our new vets who came on board in one of the other states set up a 508 charitable organization. The 8 is a religious organization. He imports ibogaine from I think it's Chile and gets it here in the States and then sends it to Mexico to Dr. Polanco to do studies. So right now I believe he has the largest group of studies.

26:13And one of the things that really has to be looked at is the compassionate use of these products. You've got guys that are coming back from war who everything isn't working. You know, everything. So you have to start pulling the stops out and treat them. I mean, if you really want them to get better. Especially when there's real evidence that there's not just anecdotal evidence that they work, but there's actual scientific evidence of their effectiveness. There's mechanisms. We understand. Right. So I think I might have sent you a preliminary paper I'm working on on the neurotransmitters

26:47to identify how each one of the psychedelic-assisted therapeutic agents work in the brain. And the science is already out there. So what does it tell you? The foundation for how they work, why they work, and how they work is already there. So why aren't we using it? Well, because of a stupid law that was passed in 1970 to punish Richard Nixon's political opponents. That's really what it is. Was it? Yeah, that's what it is. It was about the civil rights movement and the anti-war movement. And so one of the ways to get at these people, they knew that one of the big shifts of culture, if you go back to, like, we talk about it ad nauseum on the podcast.

27:28But there's just a gigantic shift in culture from the 1950s to the 1960s. It's almost unimaginable the amount of change that takes place. And what you have to imagine as a person today is 2015. Now, you think in time, things accelerate even more rapidly and change is more exponential. It's more crazy in time. And it's kind of sort of true with some technologies, especially today with AI. But if you go back to 2015 and if you were just driving around in 2015, everything is essentially the same. The phones look pretty much the same. The cars look pretty much the same. There's not much difference. There's not much difference in your life.

28:06If you go from 1959 to 1969, you have a totally different fucking world. You have a totally different world of culture, totally different world of movies, totally different world of music, totally different world of automobile design. You have a totally different world that I believe is inspired by psychedelic drugs. and when Nixon throws the water on the psychedelic movement in 1970 and makes them all schedule one including things that aren't even psychoactive by the way missed a bunch of really good ones missed a bunch of really good ones that are still legal um one of them was uh salvia which is fucking bananas an insanely potent psychedelic drug that was completely legal um so if you look at it culturally you see this shift you see the movies get clunkier and goofy you see the cars start to look like shit you see the music starts to suck it starts to be like real frivolous and very surface it's very it's cocaine music right it's not it's not led zeppelin it's not psychedelic music it's not the door it's not hendrix it's not it's not voodoo child you know it's something

29:18completely divorced from feeling. Yeah. Right? And this is because of Richard Nixon. Okay. So you're basically saying the importance of psychedelics in expanding the visions that we have to advance our culture and society has been removed. Exactly. Yeah. I agree with you. And what you talked about, the sympathetic use.

29:39Yeah. There's, you know, there's people... Compassionate. Compassionate use. There's people that are going to use things and they're going to abuse things. Just like you and I are having a glass of whiskey. Cheers, sir. Playoffs. We're talking about playoffs? You bet we are. Get in on the action with DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NFL. Scoring touchdowns is key to winning the playoffs, and you can score big by betting on them at DraftKings, the number one place to bet touchdowns.

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31:12Get in there, you fucking drunk. i took my glutathione i know you did i i apologize i finally went back and listened to our first podcast for 38 from august 8th 2012 damn that long ago wild 13 years ago wild it was wild and the thing that stuck out was the glutathione so i started this morning with my glutathione because I knew we were going to finish this bottle. Well, I'm not finishing that bottle. There's not a chance in hell. I have stuff to do. Oh, we all do. And I just worked out. Did you take glutathione?

31:49I haven't taken it yet. No, I take it every night. Sure. If you got some, go get me some. I take it every night. I take liposomal. That's what that is. There you go. Oh, I have to suck on this, right? It's like shit. No.

32:03Brain Rescue number three. No. Is this your company? Millennium. Yeah, that's our product. And that is our core product for fixing the guys with TBI. How's the new flavor? That's actually good. Oh, thank you. That actually doesn't taste bad at all. I always get nervous when you're eating something out of a tube.

32:22Depends on whose tube it is. Yes. Isn't that true? It's not actually even a tube. I don't know why I said a tube. It's a packet, like a ketchup packet. There you go. It's not ketchup. But it doesn't taste bad at all. No. But, yeah, you turned me on the glutathione a decade ago.

32:37Decade plus. 13. Yeah. Long time ago. Long time ago. But, yeah, because of meeting you, I mean, I really ramped up all of my nutritional supplements, you know, in a big way. Because back then when I first met you, it had to be 15 years ago, right? Somewhere around then? Yeah. At least. When I first met you, I was just basically taking multivitamins.

32:58I wasn't really, like, strict about it. And then when you start doing blood work and explaining things to me and, you know, and breaking down the nutritional deficiencies, like you need niacin, you need this, you need that. And I started taking all that stuff and it's, it makes a significant difference. It really does. And I talked to a lot of people that are skeptical about vitamins and they talk to their doctors, unfortunately. And the reality is that you're very educated in this department, but many doctors have a cursory at best understanding of nutrition. Their specialty is their specialty. If they're a urologist or they're an orthopedic surgeon, that's their specialty. And most of them are very unhealthy, unfortunately. Correct. And they're under the illusion that you can get everything that you need to live optimally with a balanced diet.

33:46That's horseshit, people. Absolutely. Yeah. And you notice it eventually. Look, when I go on vacation, I've gone on vacation before, like seven-day vacations and not taking vitamins with me. You feel shitty. Yeah, man. Yeah. Like I feel different. Like at the end of seven days, I'm like, Jesus, I need some fucking vitamins. So I don't do that anymore.

34:04Now when I go on vacation, I take vitamins with me. I'm like, what's the big deal? I pack underwear, pack my fucking vitamins, and I just make sure that I have everything that I need. And if I don't do that, I don't feel the same. And I think it's just the difference between being alive. Do you need it to be alive? No. But we're not talking about just alive. We're talking about optimization. And if you want to feel better, and everybody does, you should take vitamins. And you should take a bunch.

34:29You should take a lot of different stuff. Yeah, absolutely. One of the times you're talking about our progression throughout time, back in the 90s, doctors were against vitamins, saying that it's expensive urine, expensive flushing in the toilet. You remember that? My doctor told me that. And then what happened? And then all the science started coming out saying how we needed B12 because our nutrition was devoid because the soil not being rotated, devoid in the nutrients to feed the plants to give us our – I thought B12 was essentially from animals. It is, muscle. Yeah. From muscle.

35:05But talking about B complex, really, you can get it in plants as well. But it's the trace elements as well, the minerals. And without having adequate amount in, you've got to replenish it. And if you don't replenish it, you lose important pathways. What about folks that are getting their food organically? They go to a farmer's market. They get really good organic groceries. Most of the organic people supplement the animals with quality supplementation food. I mean organic vegetables. Organic vegetables. To be organic, you can't have pesticides on it.

35:42You can't have heavy metals. so it has to be nutritionally enriched with positive soil. They might put additives in it. Ideally, you'd like just a natural process of compost and manure and stuff like that. I use chicken shit. Perfect. Chicken shit's great, right? It works, yeah. I've got some great lemons and vegetables. Do you know that people used to go to war over bat shit? A guano, yes. Yeah. Isn't that nuts?

36:13Like guano was so important for fertilizer Not only fertilizer Then it became the base foundation For lipstick What? Bat shit was the foundation for lipstick Guano Imagine kissing someone and they got bat shit lipstick on They had guano wars Yeah they really did have guano wars Isn't that nuts?

36:33Isn't that where bat shit crazy came from? Crazy is bat shit I think the term bat shit crazy I think that had something to do with how feverant people would fight in a war over bat shit is it fervent yeah yeah it's a good word i like that there's a lot of words i don't use but i read them and then when it's time to use them i'm like that's the appropriate road i'm like how do you fucking say that yeah i think that's where the term bat shit came from one bizarre blink guano ruled u.s agriculture and the world. How fertilizer madness sparked into a turd war and turned guano into gold. Yeah, man, people needed that for fertilizer. Yeah. Does it talk about the cosmetic use of guano? Fountain of youth. The bat shit's the fountain of youth.

37:25What is it? The nitrogen composition of it is very good for growth of plants. This is interesting. It says, prior to modern science and agriculture, the whys and hows of soil health largely were mysterious. How soil additives functioned or the knowledge of which minerals were needed and when was the realm of the blind. Beyond animal manure, farmers added soil amendments by the barrel, composts, human waste, fish, coal products, chalk, or whatever unholy concoction was hawked by the latest charlatan to pull up in a wagon at Towns Edge and promise a yield bloom. Decade upon decade, the pitfalls of fertilization tormented growers until 1802 when German explorer and scientist Alexander von Humboldt strolled down a waterfront in Peru and felt his nose hairs curl in ammonia rebellion and an odor emanating from barge loads of yellow-brown cake guano. Von Humboldt was told the stinking bird droppings covered the nearby Chincha Islands in deep layers and were massively popular with Peruvian farmers.

38:31So this is interesting. So that's how they started doing this. So this is in the 1800s. Can I read the next sentence? Sure. Okay. A little dabble do ya. Curiosity building the nostril-burning von Humboldt took home a scoop of guano to Europe and turned the spigot on agricultural fountain of youth, i.e. he sparked a fertilizer war. You know what's the most interesting stuff about fertilizer? It's shit to me.

38:55Yeah. Do you know that soil that they have in the Amazon that was created by man? No. Yeah. It's called terra preta, and Graham Hancock told me about it. There's a very specific soil in the Amazon that they think people from thousands of years ago figured out how to make. And this is like some sort of a compost process, and it's a very dark soil called terra preta. And this dark soil that exists on the surface layer of a lot of the Amazon was put there by man. And not just put there by man, but created. Like they had a process that they have not replicated to this day. They don't know what it is or how they did it.

39:40But they're very aware that there was a process involved in making this stuff and that it's not a natural process of this stuff forming. At least that's what he said. That's what he said. Let me show him some terra preta. It's pretty fascinating. So it's a dark earth. It's very interesting because you see it and you're like, that's what it looks like. So you see the terra prater is on the surface and then you go below it and you just get like regular dirt. But this terra prater made everything very, very rich. And, you know, it grew so much plants. It's just like, do you know that the Amazon is mostly human planted plants that grew out of control?

40:22Yeah. Who planted it? The original settlers of the Amazon. This is the theory, right? so they know now that the amazon was heavily populated they didn't used to think that they used to think there was just this quiet crazy wild jungle and there's indigenous populations to live inside of it well one point in time there were cities so there's grids they found indications of you know some sort of uh transportation of water they had it looked like streets they had grids that indicate there were structures there all throughout from the use of lidar oh sure so they fly yeah so well it's from actually drones oh so they fly over with drones and they scan the area they probably could use satellites too but they use drones they scan

41:06the air and even airplanes they scan the area and then they get these images that show these geometric patterns right that exist below and so they've unearthed a lot of these and so now they think there were millions of people living in the amazon and that what probably happened was Europeans came over and gave them all smallpox. Yeah, that's the theory. Just like they did with 90% of Native Americans. But what was done there was done in a place where they had made this environment with terra preta. And just because of the lush rainforest, it rains constantly and vegetation grows so well that as soon as they were gone, within a couple hundred years, everything's consumed by the jungle.

41:47And then you lead thousands and thousands and thousands of years in the future. There's nothing left. And that's what they think they're looking at when they're looking at these large sections of the Amazon that have these patterns and structures that indicate civilization. Yeah. It's pretty wild. Yeah. I start my mornings looking at archaeology. You do? Yeah. I look at archaeology. But the archaeology that I look at in LIDAR is in Europe because I collect ancient coins from Europe, from Italy and Germany and so forth and Spain.

42:19And I've seen the photos where they go over and they see the foundation, as you said, in the structures that are man-made structures. Yeah. So it's neat stuff. It just makes you wonder how many of those exist out there in the Mexican jungles and in the Guatemalan jungles that we don't even know about. Toltecs, Aztecs, Mayans. There's probably a ton of them back there. There's probably a bunch of stuff because the Amazon is so huge. and most of it is not explored. Most of it is, you know, there's a bunch of different uncontacted tribes that live in there. Right. In fact, my friend Paul Rosalie, do you know who Paul Rosalie is?

42:58No. Is he the one with archaeology? No. He's essentially working to save the rainforest and what he does is he goes down there and he hires these people that were loggers to have a new job and the new job is to protect the forest instead. and they've saved like shit, I don't know what the number is, but an incredible large number of acres they've saved this way. And they continue to do this and they're trying to work with these people and try to stop them from just destroying the Amazon. I think Sting donated a large amount of money to the Brazilian Amazon.

43:32There's a lot of entertainers who have donated a lot of money to protect it. So my friend Paul, he runs into uncontacted tribes all the time. Really? Many times. Love to go there. He sent me a video the other day that I can't share. It's crazy. These uncontacted tribes, these naked people in the jungle in 2025. It's really wild. They live in isolation. Yeah.

43:54Well, you know, isolation from what? From us assholes? From us. From us. Yeah. But they lived the way people lived, you know, 100,000 years ago. And I would, God, if I could be a fly on the wall. Can you imagine the documentary? if we get really good at drones to the point where you can have a bunch of drones that really do look like insects and fly them in there and film these folks. And just without them being – but the problem then, people would want to go visit them.

44:21And then they'd fuck everything up. Yeah, you have to keep it hidden like your video you were talking about because the – That's the reason why he doesn't want the video to get out. Understood. He doesn't want people to know that there's these people out there. And there's a lot of them. He said – well, one of his friends was killed. One of his friends was murdered by these people. With the darts? No, they got it with arrows. With Karari on it.

44:44They could do that, but they shot him with bows and arrows. They just fucking killed him. And this was a guy that was giving them stuff, too. It's like he was bringing over rafts of food, and they were like, you know what? Today, fuck you. We killed a bunch of fish today. We don't need your bananas. Have you seen them where the Indians living in the Amazons, they're shooting down the monkeys for food? Oh, yeah. They love monkeys. They don't need anything.

45:11They've already established a culture of hunting, harvesting, and building their homes or building their towns. You know what I found out recently? The term Indian is not because Columbus thought that he was in India. I'd been told that in fucking high school. So what is it? It's the children of God. What is the original term of Indios? I forget the term, but it's not about India. They called them Indians because they were the people that were living here in this place that they had named. The indigenous. Everybody thinks like America.

45:54you know like you think of native americans you know that we used to call them indians because they thought we landed in they thought columbus landed in india or he thought he landed in india did he really what's that what's it it says that yeah the portuguese word indios but because columbus was portuguese right but what is there's a term though there's a term like the people of god the portuguese words indios that's what the ai said yeah but there's another term something that has to do with indios see AI AI is wrong about stuff sometimes where did the term I just typed in the word

46:36right right right just type in why are Native Americans called Indians that's not going to get you there either origin of the word Indian right So I was listening to this guy talk about this in a lecture. I wish I saved it. I absorb too much information and don't follow through on it.

47:02I'll go with our Reddit post. Here's this one. What does it say? Always in the impression that we use the term Indian because Europeans were mistaken that they landed in India. However, this HuffPost article explains that it wasn't possible that we use the term Hindustan for India. That's what it is. and that Europeans used the term Indio earlier on, which had morphed into Indian. That's right. It was Indio. So click on the HuffPost article. The name Indian and political correctness.

47:28In 2007. Right. Well, this guy was a lecture this guy was giving. Whoever wrote this could be the guy that gave the lecture. Could be. Sometimes that happens. Right. Could be. Diago. What is he saying? What's his term?

47:44because there was something that had to do. That's right. Los niños in Dios. Los niños. Okay. Who called them los niños? Spelling may be wrong. The children of God. The description by the padre means something like the children of God. After many years of use, the word Indios emerged, and to this day, the indigenous people of South and Central America are called Indios.

48:07So this is what this guy was saying. So it said, stop, scroll back, go back. So it said here, I'm a firm believer that most historians are wrong when they credit Christopher Columbus for corning the word Indian because he thought he was landing ships in India. By 1492, there was no country known as India. Instead, that country was called Hindustan. I think that it's closer to the truth that Spanish padre that sailed with Columbus was so impressed by the innocence of the natives, he observed that he called them los niños en Dios. Meaning, the spelling may be wrong in the Spanish words, but the description by the padre means something like the children of God. After many years of use, the word Indios emerged, and to this day, the indigenous people of South and Central America are called Indios. I'm told that as the word wound its way north, it evolved into Indian. Of course, some will say that there was a place in the East Indies in 1492, and Columbus may have thought he was headed for that region. So how and when did the effort to politicize the name start?

49:08Specs, some of it started when Native Americans enrolled in some of the white colleges. I think they found the word Indian offensive and set about to remake it. They found that the word Indian was often used in a derogatory fashion, such as drunken Indian or rotten Indian. Perhaps the white people would have found it more difficult to say drunken Native American. Yeah, those white people. Yeah, those dirty white people. Absolutely. They're a problem. And finally, when some Indian journalists made it to the newsrooms of large and prestigious mainstream newspapers, they reacted to the word Indian as they did when they were in college. They went to their editors and tried to impress upon them the paper should no longer use the word Indian, but instead switch to Native American or native.

49:55Interesting. The problem even with Native American is native for how long? so like if you believe the bearing land mass theory that they came across that way that in a lot of native americans and this was actually tested because of mormons so there was a wealthy mormon who spent a bunch of money on dna testing for native americans because he was sure that it was going to relieve it was going to show that they were from the lost tribe of israel because he believed that, you know, the Mormon teaching is that, like, the Indians and Native Americans are the lost tribes of Israel. But then he found out when they did the DNA testing, no, they're from Siberia. Like, a lot of them are from Siberia. So that would make sense.

50:40They crossed the Bering Land Bridge, their ancestors did, and they wound up in North America. Well, my people came from Komunitskodosk in Russia. Well, that's connected. Yeah, duh. Yeah. It was from there, from Siberia. Yeah, we bought Alaska for, like, 50 bucks. Yeah. That was like the deal of a lifetime. Deal of the century.

50:58Manhattan might be the better deal. Like financially, it's worth a lot more. But goddamn, Alaska is bigger than Texas. Alaska is huge. And you've gone there hunting, right? Oh, yeah. I've gone there a few times. It's an incredible place. Alaska is incredible. It's really wild. Like that's the last real frontier.

51:17If you want to get away, move to a small town in Alaska. And go live next to Sarah Palin. I can see Russia from there So I should become Secretary of State Remember when she said that? She said Russia But you can't even see You can't even see the rest of Alaska Alaska is huge, what are you saying? Yeah, I loved it there You know, the salmon fishing I like the people

51:40The people are just different, man They're just rugged people They're more reliable, they're built better Like you have to like You know how certain gene expressions are turned on and off due to stress and imagine their genes they're dealing with fucking grizzly bears and moose and shit like this i'm sure you've seen this video of this guy goes outside of his house in the morning and two gigantic moose are duking it out in his driveway head to head head to head but bouncing off cars and shit this guy's like whoa and he lives in a neighborhood it's like this guy isn't in the woods somewhere like on his own he's in a fucking neighborhood. These moose are duking it out.

52:19I love that. In my neighborhood, the old neighborhood in Chatsworth, we had brown bears coming in. No, you didn't. You had black bears. No, brown bear of California. No, no, no, no. What do you mean, no, no, no? No, no. Brown bears have been extinct in California since the 1800s. They look brown and they're black? Yes. The last guy to die from bear attacks from a brown

52:41bear was Stephen Levesque and he died in what's now Levesque, California. They named the town after him. And it's right outside of Tohono Ranch. I'll have to send you the picture. Well, I'll tell you what it is. It's called a color face bear. So it's a different bear. So there's a brown bear, which is a grizzly bear, and the Kodiak bear, and those bears. But they're all the same bear. The difference between a grizzly bear and a brown bear is just mostly what they eat. So the brown bears in Alaska have so much salmon that they have immense amounts of protein and they're the largest of all the brown bears they're fucking huge they're much much much much bigger than a black bear yeah we had parks

53:25and rangers come to our house because uh one of our refrigerators failed so we had all this great beef in there so i had to throw it out oh the bears found it the next day the bears found it it was in a you know canister and they came there so i took videos of these what i thought were brown bears coming in. So you're saying they're not. No, they're brown color face. So brown bears can be, excuse me, black bears. Black bears can be brown. Most of them are black. Some of them are even blonde. There's blonde color

53:59face bears that they find up in Alberta. But they're black bears. So a black bear is less aggressive than a grizzly bear. A grizzly bear is a brown bear. And they were killing so many people in California that they wiped them out. That's what happened. Well, this one jumped over a six-foot fence. But before it jumped over the six-foot fence, it ended up eating chicken and filet mignon and ribeye and everything. The only thing it didn't eat was the garlic naan.

54:27Well, tell you what, that bear's going to be back. It came back three times. Yeah. On the third time, Parks and Recreation came by with a dart gun to try and put it down so that they can transport it to someplace else. Did they get it? No. No? It jumped over the fence. I've never seen a bear jump six feet. Oh, they can move, man.

54:45It was 250 pounds at least is what they said. Oh, they can move. They move very, very, very fast. It was unbelievable. You'd be amazed at how fast they can move. Like when they're chasing after another bear or something's happening, they move very fast. And then it jumped into our swimming pool. It was just swimming. Yeah, but in Pasadena they have a lot of those. In Pasadena? Mm-hmm.

55:08There's a funny video of this guy in Pasadena. He's walking down a street And he turns into Ali And he's just staring at his phone And he's walking with his phone And this guy gets within like 30 feet of a fucking bear Wow And he's just like freaking See if you can find it It's hilarious Yeah I was like 10 feet away

55:23In Pasadena Like in full on Pasadena Not like the outskirts And the bush Right No like actual street City street in Pasadena Black bear Yeah so what do you do when it's Looking you face to face Well you usually make a noise

55:40and try to startle it and frighten it and get the fuck out of it. You yell at it. Like, hey, bear. You say, hey, bear. That's what people do. They say, hey, bear. The thing is, like, bears that have been accustomed to people, so that right there is a black bear. That is not a brown bear. The one that I saw, and I think I might have it on my cell phone, but it was lighter than that.

55:59Yeah, like I said, they get even blonde. So that's a color-phased black bear. Intimidating. Yeah, well, let's see the difference, though. Pull up grizzly bear. So a grizzly bear is a completely different motherfucker. Yeah. So on the state flag of California. That's a grizzly bear. That's a grizzly bear. Yes.

56:17That is the brown bear that is no longer. Look at the size of those motherfuckers. See, that's a different thing. Whoa. See the difference in the size? So that's a black bear and that's a grizzly bear. Yeah, that's a grizzly. Grizzlies are much bigger, much more aggressive, much more dangerous. But interestingly enough, black bears turn out to be more predatory towards humans. So when a black bear attacks people, usually it's trying to eat them. Whereas when a grizzly attacks people, generally, like a large percentage of the attacks are—I'm good.

56:47A large percentage of the attacks are people accidentally stumbling upon a mother and their cubs. That's the worst case scenario. Because it's protective. Yeah, you get near a mama bear. That's so terrifying because they just try to eliminate the threat immediately. And they just go after you and fuck you up. They don't look at you and go, what are you doing? What's this about? They have to protect their cubs. And there's so much cannibalism in the bear world. They eat their babes?

57:16Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Male grizzlies eat cubs and they hunt cubs. And so there's so much cannibalism of cubs from male grizzlies that the females are always on edge. Because everywhere they go, their fear is that they run into a male who's going to eat their cubs. Grizzlies are fucking ruthless. These assholes that think they want to bring grizzlies back to California. This is like a movement now to bring grizzlies back. Because just like they brought wolves back to Colorado, these people are retarded. And they've never spent a second in the woods. They don't know what the fuck they're dealing with.

57:53They don't know what you're bringing back and what the consequences are going to be of those things. And look, there's places they exist and they're great. It's awesome. Go to Montana, you can see them. Go to Wyoming, you can see them. They're starting to make their way into Colorado. A friend of mine saw one in the San Juan Mountains. You got video footage of it. I know you go with your archery hunting. There's no hunting of bears? There is.

58:16There's a lot of hunting of bears, not in the lower 48. So they're trying to change that. In Alaska. They're trying to change that in Montana because they have so many instances and attacks. And a woman was killed a couple years ago. She was dragged out of her tent. Yeah, it's scary shit, man. And I'm not advocating for the eradication of grizzlies. I'm just saying that with our modern society, when they haven't existed in an ecosystem, to reintroduce that to the ecosystem, you're going to cause chaos. You're going to cause havoc. And if you want healthy breeding populations of them, good luck.

58:49Good luck. Because now everything changes. All your livestock changes. Your dogs change. Your dogs are going to get eaten. Anything you have a dog chained up in the backyard, that's meat on a stick. Meat on a chain. Yeah, that's over. And they're going to do that. They're going to target your garbage. You're not going to be able to get rid of them.

59:08They're going to keep coming back. They're dangerous animals, and they're beautiful and amazing and an important part of the ecosystems that they exist in currently, like Montana and Wyoming where there's elk populations and a lot of food for them in Alaska. Yeah, I personally can't see for myself going out hunting for bears or elks or moose. and I know you do that, but they're such incredible animals. They're just incredible animals. They are. Yeah. I just can't see putting them down. But the way they die without me is way worse. If I get them, I'm going to get them with an arrow, and they're going to be dead in seconds.

59:46Yeah. If they get attacked by a bear or a mountain lion, it's fucking brutal. It's brutal. And the worst, I mean, they might just freeze to death. That's how most of them go. I shot an elk a couple years ago that was 11 years old, and he had almost no teeth left. his teeth were ground down because you know they're just they don't live long and part of it is because they can't grind food after a certain age yeah because no teeth no teeth yeah because their teeth are i mean they're just digging into the ground and pulling out shrubs and grasses and they're constantly mashing and smashing and over the period of you know 11 years his his teeth had

60:24worn down to the roots. So you've gone after bears? I've hunted bears before. You've hunted bears? I've eaten bears before. And you've eaten it? Yeah. What's the meat like? It's like beef. It's like a pig fucked a cow. That's what it's like. It's like a weird kind of beef. Maybe a deer fucked a cow. It's good though. But it's

60:46dependent upon the diet of the animal. So like the people that hunt grizzly bears and they've eaten grizzly bears or brown bears, they say they tastes so fishy it's it's almost intolerable but you could turn them into sausage you could do with the right spices and stuff like bear sausage is great but you also have to be have to be careful because of trichinosis so you have to make sure you cook it to 160 plus degrees to kill off the trichinosis because i know several people that got trichinosis from bear meat heart well it's just parasites in your muscles yeah and it doesn't have too many adverse effects it means very painful and brutal for the beginning exposure you know the beginning infection but then the thing is like if if you're a cannibal and you eat that dude and you don't cook them right you're going

61:31to get it from him which is really crazy one of the reasons why i don't eat pig that you got after me in the last time we were here pig has a lot of parasites sure and a lot of them aren't cooked to the level to kill the parasites sister serkosis and so forth and trichinosis and trichinosis yeah Yeah, especially wild pigs. Yeah. You know what the number one source of trichinosis is for people in America? No. Black bears. Isn't that crazy? Think about how few people eat black bears. Yeah.

62:00But it's the number one cause. It's the number one source of trichinosis in America for people that test positive for it. So it's through contamination? From food. From eating them. From eating them. Yeah, because there's a lot of people that hunt black bears. Wow. Yeah. Want to really get blown away? Yeah.

62:15You know what state has the largest population per capita of black bears in the country? Wyoming, Montana? New Jersey. No way. Yep. New Jersey. New Jersey. New Jersey has an infestation of black bears. New Jersey, we've played this video a hundred times with these giant bears that are duking it out in a beautiful suburb of far rock away New Jersey. Rock away. So it's like nice, normal, not like the woods.

62:41Yeah. Not like, you know, fucking. Residential area. Yeah, not the mountains. residential area they knock over this mailbox and they're duking out in the street big fucking bears big bears a guy recently shot the state record black bear in New Jersey and it was 800 pounds yeah you should see it pull that video up the photo rather up but this guy's bear so I'm pretty sure that was archery as well they banned bear hunting in New Jersey when the new governor came into place that lasted for about a year and then the human interactions with bears were so frequent that they restarted the bear hunting program.

63:19It's an important tool. Look at the size of the bear. Look at the fucking size. 770. 770 dressed. Wow. That's 770 after they gutted it. And they added another 800 pounds for its intestines and organs. Another 100 pounds, rather. So it's field dressed, the bear, before it was officially weighed in at 770. so it's probably quite a bit heavier than that pretty nuts so if you see there's other pictures

63:51of it where you really get a better size of it see if you can find some other pictures of it because that is huge yeah some other pictures of have it laid out and they're you know you could see what it looks like it's a fucking giant bear but it's because they have so much food there and a lot of these bears exist look at the size of that thing a lot of these bears exist around humans. And you've gone after a black bear? Not that big. Not that. The black bears that I've shot are like 200 pounds, 250 pounds. Babies. Well, they didn't look like babies. Yeah, I know. But yeah, you eat them, man. And it's also, it's an important

64:23part of conservation because if you don't control their populations, no one does. This is the thing about bears. They are the top of the food chain. So if you're not controlling them, no one does. And so what they do is they eat each other. That's the only control of bears is the infanticide of the cubs by the males. And the females, too, by the way. You want to hear a crazy thing?

64:47My friend Jonathan, he watched this bear and this female bear. So the male bear came around. The female bear's trying to fight him off, and she eventually can't. And the male bear gets a hold of one of her cubs and kills it, and she chases him off of her dead cub. Then she eats her cub. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. That's the real world. Whoa.

65:07That's the real world. She ate her cub right in front of him. And he came back to camp and he was like, fuck. So that's the balance that has to be struck. Where was it? Montana where they had open season for elk or for moose? No. Was it moose? No, there's no open season. Which state was it where they had open? Open season means.

65:31Where you didn't need a permit? Right. They had to call the whole. There's no way. They would never do that with elk. Elk is a very valuable. So it's moose. No, no, no, no. They would never do that with moose either. They would never do that with – they wouldn't – they do it in some communities with white-tailed deer. And the reason why they do it is because they're completely overpopulated.

65:47And oddly enough, this happens a lot in the suburbs. Like there's places in the suburbs, yeah, where people – there's like people who bow hunt in the suburbs. Because like, look, if you're bow hunting, your arrow doesn't go more than 100 yards, right? It's not like you have to worry about you shoot and someone a mile away gets hit by a bullet if you miss. Your arrow drops. It arcs, right? archery it arcs sure so it drops down to the ground it only goes so far and so it's safer if you have competent hunters who are skilled to hunt in the suburbs and you know most of these suburbs have wooded areas and they're infested with deer so i think it was pennsylvania the states that were bringing in bow hunters in new york and in all their wisdom these fucking dorks and uh in the area around the hamptons they have this issue but the people are so fucking retarded

66:37Long Island. Yeah. Well, it's the Hamptons because they're rich. It's like if you had regular Long Island, regular Long Island probably say, yeah, we should hunt them because they're food. I'm from Queens. Yeah, there you go. So they decided they were going to just try to sterilize the deer and give them birth control. They came up with all these wacky concepts, but they didn't want to bring in bow hunters. But wasn't there in the last, what, five years there was an overpopulation of moose or deer or elk? There's never been an overpopulation. No, no, no, no, no.

67:04There's been times where they had seasons in winter for elk in Montana. And the reason it was a complete depopulation effort. So they had had this before the reintroduction of wolves, though. So the reintroduction of wolves, which is in the 1990s, has significantly impacted the elk population. And now it's actually more difficult to get a tag. But back then they would have certain seasons that would have in the winter. So you'd be able to get these elk that were out there in the snow moving very slowly in the deep snow, and you could just kind of pick them off. And it was basically just a meat hunt, and they killed a lot of cows that way, cow elk. And it was just a way for people to get meat, and also they were trying to put a dent on the population because it wasn't sustainable. So they would have an elk herd of thousands of elk where it really should have been like 800 elk with the sustainability of the area. And the bear couldn't keep up.

68:03They couldn't eat enough of them. The mountain lions couldn't eat enough of them. And then they brought in the wolves. And the wolves were way better than everybody else because they hunt together. And they started really chipping away at them. And now they've knocked the elk population down. I think it's in the neighborhood. They dropped it by 40% plus since the 1990s. What need for reducing the elk population? Well, if you don't have a balanced ecosystem, right, if you don't have enough predators and you have a large animal like an elk, like a bull elk is an 800-pound animal, and a cow elk, a mature cow elk is north of 300 pounds, 400 pounds. So this is a lot of food, and they can decimate vegetation.

68:43and there was a documentary that's kind of like poo-pooed by people but interesting nonetheless it's how how wolves changed rivers and it's all about how the Yellowstone ecosystem changed because of their introduction of wolves and more songbirds came in because there was more vegetation because the introduction of wolves they killed off a lot of the elk the elk had been just like maybe overbalanced in the fact that like overrepresented they were eating too much vegetation. It's all interesting, but what you really want is things to happen naturally. And then when there's a problem, you know, really the best way to handle the problem, if there's like an overabundance of these animals, is to bring in hunters. The other solution would be to bring in predators. The problem with bringing in predators is if you have a predator like wolves that has been forever maligned because they go after livestock and they do

69:41target ranchers. There was an article I read today, actually, about these ranchers that were kind of optimistic about wolves being introduced into Colorado and now they vehemently oppose it because they've seen the impact. And one of the reasons why they saw the impact is because the governor of Colorado, in all his fucking infinite wisdom, he had a mandate to get these wolves introduced during a certain amount of time and they didn't have the wolves so they got wolves from oregon that they had captured while they were preying on livestock so these wolves were already accustomed to preying on livestock and those are the wolves they reintroduced into colorado they reintroduced wolves that had already been they had already been like naturalized to killing livestock and so what they start doing they started finding livestock and killing them again but that's the thing it's

70:31like you're you're fucking around with nature and you don't know how this calculation is going to end you're a good example is australia australia is a fucking mess because they kept bringing in animals and then they'd bring in animals to kill the animals and then they'd have an overpopulation of certain animals so they bring in cats and now they have an overpopulation of feral cats the point where they hunt feral cats like if you look at an australian bow hunting journal You know, they have bow hunting magazines. My buddy Adam Greentree, shout out to Adam Greentree. My buddy Adam gave me a magazine from Australia, bow hunting. I'm like, bro, what the fuck is this? It's all cats. These guys are holding up house cats because they kill feral cats whenever they can.

71:13Because feral cats have decimated ground nesting birds and they've destroyed just a shit ton of native animals that were in that area. They brought them in to kill some other animal they brought in. It's like you can't fuck around with nature like that. You don't know what the consequences are. And when you do ballot box biology, which is essentially what this stuff is. So the reintroduction of wolves is something people voted on. The people that voted on it are living in fucking Denver. They don't encounter wolves. They don't know what they're doing. It's like the same thing happened in Vancouver. So in British Columbia, they outlawed grizzly bear hunting.

71:49Why did they do that? Because, hey, man, why would you kill it? They call it trophy hunting. But it's important to manage the predators. And the people that knew this were the people that lived in the rural areas that were vehemently opposed to this ban. And then what happens? Well, you get ballot box biology. You get people that have no experience with bears, don't encounter bears, don't have to worry about bears. And they say, yeah, let's not ban them anymore. Now you got bears breaking into people's houses and there's much more of them than ever before. And people are freaked out.

72:18You can't do anything about it. Yeah, I freaked out when the bear came to the house. Yeah, you should. It's like, whoa. You should. And then seeing this fucking bear, 250 pounds, swimming in my swimming pool, you know, going back and forth. And then the Department of Parks and Rangers came in to try and deal with it. Yeah. They said, stop feeding it. I'm not feeding it. Stop feeding it.

72:42I put the fucking, you know, beef into the garbage can because it's no longer, you know, it wasn't frozen. Right. And the bear kept on, don't put it there. Where should I put it? Yeah. Where do you put the meat? Put it at your asshole neighbor's house. You have some guy that's annoying. Go use his garbage in the middle of the night. I've got a bad neighbor. I'm going to have to put it into there.

73:01Yeah, you should dress up, though. Dress up like a Ku Klux Klan member or something like that so they don't know what you look like. No, dress up as a bear to go into a Rolls Royce to destroy the Rolls Royce. Oh, there you go. You remember that one? No, what was that? You didn't see that? Oh, that's right. A guy was wearing a bear suit and he did insurance fraud. Insurance fraud. But they brought in a bear expert and said, that bear would not have gone into the Rolls Royce and done those scrape marks on it.

73:27So this guy was trying to get rid of his car? He was trying to get insurance money. Oh, what a moron. What a silly bitch. Yeah. I've learned right now so much more about bears. You know, incredible. Yeah, they're a wild animal. I mean, not wild, just wild, but fascinating. I love them. You know, Teddy Roosevelt, when he did his bear hunting, loved it.

73:50Bears are such incredible animals. You know what the scariest bear to run across is? Take a guess. No. Polar bear. Oh, white bear, yeah. You know why? No. Because they don't eat anything but meat. At least grizzly bears. If you find a grizzly bear that's in a blueberry field, you probably don't even have to worry about them.

74:06They eat blueberries? Oh, yeah. They'd be gorging on blueberries. But black bears and grizzly bears are omnivorous. So they eat vegetation and they also eat meat. Meat. Polar bears are just carnivores and they're hyper aggressive. They just eat seals and occasionally people, but they hunt people. No way. Oh, yeah, they'll go after you. They smell you from a distance to hunt you.

74:27Bad body odor or something? Just you smell. Everybody smells. You'd be amazed at how much a bear can smell. There was a video where my friend was in, I forget what part, I think they were in Montana, maybe Idaho. and a bear was 700 yards away plus and the wind hit the back of his neck and the bear started running and he's like did that fucking bear wind us like the bear caught their smell from 700 yards away and went after him no the other way it was a black ran away black bears yeah absolutely human Run. Yeah. Well, in any area where the bears get hunted, they run away.

75:12Sure. You know, like in Alaska, if they smell you, generally they run away because people hunt bears in Alaska. They don't have any experience with getting hunted. Black bears do, but grizzly bears don't in the lower 48. In the lower 48, it's not legal to hunt them yet. But they're trying to change that. Grizzlies. Grizzlies. Okay. Yeah. Interesting.

75:30Yeah. Interesting. Great new information for me. It's important to know. Yeah. It's a wild world out there. absolutely it's a wild world and if you know you live in the city and you think it's cute let's go for a hike yeah all of a sudden you meet a fucking mountain lion well we have mountain lines where oh fuck yeah you do yeah mountain lions uh bobcats deer bobcats a lot of you have a lot more deer if it wasn't for the mountain lions and that's what the wildlife uh lovers want they want nature to balance itself out the problem is they eat your cats and dogs too a lot of them in san francisco

76:07it was like 50% of the problem cats that they caught, they found that their diet was pets. Yeah. 50% of their diet was pets. I lost two cats. Yeah. Coyotes mostly, right? The coyotes were the ones. They were indoor cats, and every now and then they would go out. Right. Gone.

76:26Yeah. Gone. Owls get them too. Do they really? Oh, yeah. They swoop in and pick them up and take them away. A buddy of mine has a friend who works in tree service, and they found a nest, an owl nest. It was filled with cat collars. Yeah, there were like 10 cat collars in there. Yeah.

76:44Yeah. Yeah, we've had owls where we are. We're in Santa Susana Pass. Oh, yeah. Yeah, a lot of owls up there. A lot of owls. Do you know owls are stupid? No. Yeah, they're dumb. You know that whole thing of wise old owl? They're one of the dumbest birds.

76:58They don't learn things. They're stupid. I talked to a lady who's a falconer, and she trains birds, and she has an owl, and she's like, it's the dumbest bird I have. she's like this idea that owls are wise she's like they're the second dumbest bird who's number one i forget ostrich see if you can find it it's in the ostrich family it's another animal that's in the ostrich family ostriches might be dumber than than owls they're really dumb always got their head in the sand well they're also big yeah they're big they don't they don't fuck what's the other and they can kill you they can kick you to death what's the other breed that's it's not ostrich but it's in the same family. Cassoway?

77:35It's Kossoway, I think that's what it's called. Is it Kossoway? That's the one that's dangerous. They kill people. You ever seen that fucking weird bird? No, I haven't seen it. Is that what it's in that? Am I saying it right? A cassowary thing? Cassowary, that's right.

77:47Cassowary. Yeah, they're freaky looking, man. I haven't seen that. They're freaky looking. Yeah, they're a big ass bird too, but they kill people. The people have died by being attacked by these birds. And what, pecks them on their face? I think they claw them. I think they attack you with their claw.

78:01It might be their face too. looks like a fucking hatchet. Wow, beautiful bird. Beautiful. God, look at his eyes. Wow. I'm looking at you. Yeah. Wow, look at the comb. Google cassowary kills people. And where are they found?

78:18Just in Australia? I don't know where that one is. A massive, flightless, emu-like creature. That's the word, emu. As the most dangerous bird in the world, owing to the fact that it can seriously injure or kill a human or a dog in an instant with his deadly claws. Yeah, it's the claws. Yeah. They just rip you apart. So they go for your guts.

78:40You know, that's the same. Like, yeah. Yeah. Look at their tips. Oh, my God. They got fucking talons for claws. Jeez. Five inch. They can eviscerate a human being with a single kick. Although there's no record of this happening. It wasn't because the people are dead.

78:56They can run 13 miles an hour. Killed a 75-year-old man who was raising one. In Florida. He tripped and fell on it, and the bird attacked him. Oh, Jesus Christ. It's come to its edge. Yeah. Wow. Well, that's a bird I'm not going to collect. Hmm. Yeah.

79:14What's the dumbest bird, Jamie? So it's... It said owls are smart when I Google it. Lies. Dumb or smart. Lies. Lies. It said they're almost as smart as a crow or a raven. That's horseshit. But I did see some stuff saying they're not that smart. or their brains are different, but they have really good eyesight and stuff.

79:31Oh, yeah, they have killer eyesight. No, owls are not dumb. Yeah, that's right. Lies. Lies. I was talking to a lady. And one lady told you they're not dumb. Two ladies. Two different falconers. And if you have three, it's a done deal. Two different people.

79:46In the last year, I've hung out with two different falconers and their animals, believe it or not. One of them had an eagle. She had a female bald eagle. It was amazing. Dude, I caught it on my arm. You know, you put the glove on. You have to put a different glove for the eagle than the other animals because its talons are so powerful. But having that thing land on your arm is crazy. The shoe bill might be the dumbest bird. Shoe bill? Even though it makes that cool-ass sound.

80:14Oh, yeah. They're cool. Have you ever seen that fucking thing? A shoe bill? No. They make a sound that sounds like gunshots. Like da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. They slap their jaws together, and they stand like that. That's what it looks like. See how the thing's standing up? Things like five feet tall.

80:29Imagine a five foot tall bird with those evil eyes and that giant face. Look at his fucking mouth. Look at that beak. Get a video of... That's the dumbest bird? That's what it says. I mean, there's multiple articles repeating it. The dodo was a really dumb bird too, right? Yeah, dodo. But can you do... Google shoe bill makes noise.

80:49Shoe bill noise. Yeah. It's really cool. It sounds like a machine gun. Listen to this. Bill clacking, so they kind of shake the bottom and the top of their beak or their bill. backwards and forth at different speeds. Shut the fuck up, dude. Shut this dude up. Shut this dude up. How crazy is that? That is AR-15.

81:17Imagine that getting a hold of your face. Imagine that fucking massive beak. Or any appendage lower down. It's a big animal, too, man. They're big. What's the height of it? I think they're like five feet tall Isn't that nuts? And they look like they're from a different time They look like you went back At 3.5 to 5 feet tall They look like they're from

81:39Dinosaur times It doesn't even make sense You ever heard of a terror bird? No Terror birds used to exist More than a million years ago I work in human I work in meat fighting People beating the shit out of each other And I want to complain. About what?

81:58I was expecting to find some elk sticks out in your front. I've got some. Yeah? First time I had it was- You don't have to complain. Yeah. Well, no, I'm not complaining. Jesus Christ. But I asked, and they said it's not available. Jamie, Google Terror Bird. Yeah, that image with a human being.

82:16Where is it? Right there. So that is what they used to look like. Imagine that. Whoa. A nine foot to 10 foot tall giant flightless bird. And they called them terror birds. Terror, like T-E-R-R-O-R? Terror. Uh-huh. Like you'd be terrified if you saw that fucking giant bird.

82:34Look at that thing. Fucking scared shitless. Killing horses and shit. Terror bird. Yeah. It was huge. So where can we get one? They don't exist anymore. Oh, jeez. When did they die off? Look at that.

82:45It looked like, woo. That's neat. Isn't that crazy? Imagine seeing that 10 feet tall. Wow. Holy shit. I'll take two, please. Look at the size of it. That's what they used to look like. Where is that? Well, that's a recreation, obviously, but I don't know where that is.

83:00It was based off of a fossil in America. Yeah. Fossil remnants. What year did they go extinct? 55 billion years ago. I think it was a couple million. Yeah. 55 billion years ago. It says right there, when did the Tereburg go extinct? Cenozoic era? When's that?

83:22What date was that? Okay. It was January? 66 million. Oh, a lot more. A lot longer ago. 66 million years ago. The current geological age of Earth. Oh, it's the current geological age beginning 66 million years ago and continuing to the present. So when did the terror birds go extinct? Does it say?

83:41When did they go extinct? How do you pronounce that word? I think it says. Hold on. How do you pronounce that? P-H-O. Ferus-ra-sitis? Ferus-ra-sitis? How would you say it? You're a doctor. Terror bird.

83:59I would say a terror bird. Oh, it's only thousands of years ago? One of them survived until the late Pleistocene. Whoa. I mean, they could have been longer dry as, you know. Holy shit. One of them survived up until 6,000 years ago? Well, between 96,000 and 6,000. I thought it was millions. It's a late Pleistocene. Wow.

84:20100,000 years ago. Oh, we're so lucky. Yeah, Neanderthal male. We're so lucky those weren't around. Man, ate it up, right? No, I don't think Neanderthals were here. They were European. I think there's probably a bunch of assholes who want to bring those back, too. You know? They want to bring back the mammoth.

84:37That's probably next. Let's bring back the terror. Oh, they've been working on that, right? Yeah. Yeah. They'll probably just call it a different name. They won't call it a terror bird. They'll call it something cute. Yeah. You know? The conservation bird.

84:49Big bird. They'll call it Brig Bird. Big Bird. Yeah, we're going to bring back Big Bird. Just make him yellow so people love him. Hello, Big Bird. Unbelievable. So... Natural world. So speaking of which, since we're talking about ridiculous shit and you are a doctor, I wanted to bring this up to you because Jamie and I were exchanging text messages yesterday

85:09about these mummies that they found in Peru that have three fingers. The aliens. Yeah. Well, they don't know what they are, but they have three fingers. And not three fingers because they cut the fingers off. They actually, their structure genetically has three fingers. And their cranial capacity, they have a large head, which a lot of times they think was due to, you know, they would form their head and like press boards to make their head stretch out, which they definitely did in some tribes. Like Chinese do with the feet. But the question is why were they doing that and were they doing it to replicate something else? Yeah, that's it. So the thing about these is they had a cranial capacity that is larger than most human beings.

85:50That's alien. It looks like a fucking alien. That's a fucking, that's correct. But is that real? Here's the question. Okay, three-fingered alien mummies. Click on that article and see where are they getting this information. I know it was in, yeah, New York Post. So three-fingered alien mummies found in Peru have fingerprints that do not appear to be human. So the fingerprints that it has, instead of spirals, I think they're lines. And Google, but scroll back, scroll back, back to where you were.

86:21Look at that image. That's X-ray image of their fingers. So these are like real bones and digits. So this isn't just a statue that someone made. Right. This says real bone structure that is exact to like what a human being has and all those little tiny muscles in the mid-hand. Right? I mean, that all looks normal but weird with the three fingers and three toes. And so if you scroll down, you'll see more images. So this is what it looked like when they found it. So the body is covered.

86:54Go back so I can read that, please. It says the body is covered with diatomaceous earth, a type of white powder made from the sediment of fossilized algae found in the bodies of water. the only possible explanation for the unusually straight fingerprints could possibly have something to do with the way her skin was preserved, he said, noting that it's very odd. So the U.S. medical examiners traveled to Peru last April to study the bodies with the lack of human fingerprints as puzzling. He said it would be extremely premature to make any statements about the mummy's origins. So they know for a fact that these things are biological and they're not created. Have they done any sort of DNA? Look at the picture of what it actually looks like.

87:37that's fucking crazy. That does look like an alien. I mean, that's exactly what people expect to see at their bed in the middle of the night. You said it looks like an alien. It is an alien. If it's real. It's so hard. And no disrespect to the post. But, you know, people bullshit. Not those.

87:56Those, I think, have proven to be horseshit. But if you scroll up, scroll back to where you were, back to where you were, that thing. Okay. I want to know what that is. Like, what is that? Because it's got three fingers and three toes, and it's got an alien face. It looks like a gray. It has a tiny slot for a mouth and tiny dots for a nose.

88:15It looks like the archetypal alien that people see in Close Encounters of the Third Kind. And what was that other movie? The Whitley Stryber movie? Communion. Communion. I didn't see that one. That's a weird one because Whitley Stryber is also a fiction writer. And he wrote this book. about his own personal experiences with aliens, which I want to believe him. Yeah, that's a classical impression face-wise

88:42of an alien of gray, as you say. 100%. Even with the shape of the eye, like the eyes are kind of slanted, not like a human's. They're at angles, just like they always show them with these kind of, they look, you know. The big eyes, the ominous, the large. We have to have an image of one of them around here somewhere, don't we?

89:00Yeah, you probably have. Aliens all over this fucking place. But that classic look is exactly what those mummies look like. So they have straight fingers. Go back. What did you just wear? Three figures. Jesus Christ, all these pop-ups. Isn't that crazy? It says the humanoid three-fingered alien mummies have straight fingerprints that do not match those of humans,

89:18according to an attorney who reviewed one of the controversial specimens. Oh, an attorney said that. You believe him? I don't know. That's where the rest of this came from is because this guy didn't believe whatever I was saying. So he's like, we're going to go look. So Joshua McDowell, a former Colorado prosecutor and current defense attorney, examined one of the tiny strange bodies named Maria with three independent forensic medical examiners from the United States. Scroll. He and the experts were shocked to discover that the fingerprints in the ET-like corpses were in perfectly straight lines. They were not traditional human fingerprint patterns, he told the Daily Mail. But did they do an analysis of the tissue?

89:56Like did they find out that it's actually biological tissue? Can you scroll down further? It doesn't say anything like that. So I was trying to go to different articles to find better. So I'm a forensic prosecutor. I'm a criminal defense attorney. I've seen lots of fingerprints, and these were not classic fingerprints. Look how weird it is. Look at that image. That's so crazy looking. Yeah.

90:15And also, how did I just find out about this yesterday? You talked about it before. I know, but I never saw it look like this. What I saw were those other ones that I think have been proven – I might be wrong, but I think at least allegedly had been proven to not be real. And that the person who was exposing those, those little tiny ones that were like laying down straight, that guy had a history of doing some deceptive stuff, allegedly. But you believe that they're there. Do I believe? I mean you believe that the aliens are here. I do not not believe. Do not not believe. I don't disbelieve.

90:52You're ambivalent as to the fact that they're here. I believe that they're here. I wouldn't even say I'm ambivalent. I am open-minded. Okay. But – You won't say yes. Yeah, I'm logical. Yeah. I think there's a lot of deception going on. Okay.

91:04I think there's also the possibility that what we're dealing with is not as simple as we like to think. Yeah, these things. So these things I've heard are bullshit. I don't – might be wrong. I'm trying to find out. Well, might that be misinformation? He's a journalist. That journalist that unveiled the bodies and the guy who exposed the bodies, the guy who exposed the bodies, I think, was the one, the guy who came up with it. I was trying to figure out how, so there's an issue of them being found in Peru and taken to Mexico. Oh. It's already that issue.

91:39Okay. And then where, they said they were found near Nazca in 2017. I'm trying to figure out, okay, who found them? Nazca mines. Yeah, that was the thing about that alien-looking one with the three fingers that was even more interesting to me. Because that's that area where there's these incredible patterns that are made on the ground that you can only see from space. Or not space, the air. Right. You can only see looking down on them. So it's like, why would anybody even make those things? And some of them look like the images look like animals and stuff.

92:10You know, spiders. Yeah, weird stuff. And some of them look like maybe even a person. Mexican doctors have examined the two bodies that featured elongated heads and three fingers on each hand. Same thing, three fingers. They found no evidence of any assembly or manipulation of the skulls, but other scientists have panned the discovery as an elaborate stunt. Mao San, 70, who touted the purported extraterrestrials as the most important thing that has happened to humanity, has denied any wrongdoing.

92:40Scroll down. Look at that. How fucking weird. Yeah. I believe that there are aliens. Why do you believe that? Why do I believe that? Why would we be the only people on a planet when there are millions and billions of planets out there? And we've reached a level of technology that allows us to send a ship to the moon, anticipation with Musk to go to Mars and so forth. How about there are other people on other planets who have accelerated, have been there millions of years longer than we have. Why isn't it that they're able to come to us to see what we're doing?

93:24We're going out to other planets to see what was on other planets. I believe that there are other people out there. According to the UFO aficionado, by the way, as you say, according to UFO aficionado, I already started looking at you side-eyed. Yeah. The analysis showed that the humanoids are not related to any known earthly species and that one-third of their DNA is unknown. There you go. Well, take it and map it. Let's make a new one. Yeah, let's look at the DNA relative to ours. Get those Macedon guys and introduce some simian biology into them and turn it into a new kind of alien. Yeah, just do a 23andMe.

94:00It says, the specimens are not a part of our evolutionary history of Earth. The university has since distanced itself from Maussan, claiming its scientists took no part in the research and never came in contact with the full corpses. In no case do we make conclusions about the origin of these samples, the university's National Laboratory of Mass Spectrometry with Accelerator said in a statement. Okay. The presence of carbon-14 allegedly detected in the specimens proved the samples were related to brain and skin tissues from different mummies who died at different times. What does that mean?

94:35From one individual? Is that saying from one individual? The presence of carbon-14 allegedly detected in the specimens prove that the samples were related to brain and skin tissue from different mummies who died at different times. So they're all different. They come from different times, and they're all different little mummies. So that's what they're saying. So what they're saying is that the carbon isotope dating is showing that. That's what it is, right? Is that what they're saying? I think so. Okay.

95:06So how do you account for the fact that in Egypt and in the Mayan rooms and so forth— Hold on. This is our buddy Ryan. Ryan Graves. U.S. Navy pilot Ryan Graves, who attended the hearing to share his personal experience with alleged UFO sightings, later slammed Mao Zedong's presentation as a stunt. He said yesterday's demonstration was a huge step backwards for this issue. Graves wrote on X, formerly Twitter, I am deeply disappointed by this unsubstantiated stunt. Well, he's a very legitimate guy, Ryan Graves is, and very intelligent. And if he's saying it's a stunt, now I'm super skeptical. He has a history of making controversial claims about other alien remains that have been wildly discredited.

95:49Widely discredited. Okay. In 2017, he participated in a TV documentary about other specimens recovered near Peru's Nazca Lines, which experts have said to have been concocted out of modified mummies. Yeah. So I wonder if they're talking about that other thing when they're saying that. This is older than the one we were looking at. The one we're looking at. When did they find that one? When did they find that alien? It said the same time.

96:17That's why I was trying to get into this, and the sources aren't great. It says they're all coming from the same area around the same time, but they all look different. Yeah, that looks super different. That one looks more like the way something you'd find dead. Like even the way its legs are rotted away, like it doesn't look fake. That one video we watched or you sent me was getting more towards like they could have been found in a burial type site than other groups used similar things. Where did they find this one, though? This is the one I'm interested in. It doesn't stay specific. But the fact that they did an x-ray and they show the actual fingers and toes,

96:53it looks just like real fingers and real toes with actual bones. That's crazy. Cubiform bones, the phalanx, they're consistent with looking at human hands. Right, but it's consistent with a human hand that would have three fingers, right? There's not missing digits. So you say it's genetic abnormalities, so they only have three fingers? It could be. Well, there's a group of people in Africa that have bird feet. Have you ever seen them? No. They have toes. It's like a genetic mutation that exists, and it's thought to be like a prized thing.

97:25And these people have like two toes, and their feet branch off like this. And there's a bunch of people in this village that have these feet that are like this. I forget what they call them, like bird feet, or I forget how they describe them. Yeah, these are the folks. So see that? Yeah. So now if you found these guys, and there's not just one of them, A substantial minority of vedoma have a condition known as extro... You said that. You're the doctor. Ectodactyly. Ectodactyly, which means the middle three toes are absent and the two outer ones are turned in,

97:56resulting in the tribe being known as the two-toed or ostrich-footed tribe. So go to images and see what that looks like. It's really wild because there's like a bunch of them hanging out together. Like, look at their feet. So now if you found a body that had those, you would say, oh, those are aliens. No, but look at that alien. If you go back to the one that was original with the eyes and the face and the size. Yeah, definitely. These are grays, okay? Well, it certainly looks like what I would think a gray would be. Correct.

98:25And the fact that it doesn't have a thumb is odd, too. But that is also one of the things that people have said about these things. Prohensel. There's also, they always have said that they have very long fingers. And you look at his fingers in relationship to the size of the body. They're very long. Long fingers and very long toes. Yeah. So how do you account for the fact that there are multiple, you know, from the Assyrians to the Egyptians to the Aztecs, Toltecs, Mayans, where they have on their structures, they have imagery of flying saucers, helicopters, alien. You know, there is a couple with the – they look alien. How do you account for that?

99:07I think the helicopter one I think is a fraud. You think it's all fraud? I think that one is. I think that's photoshopped. I think it is. You think? Yeah. I'm pretty sure that's been shown. But the planes that they found that are like wooden carved planes, like they look like airplanes that they found in tombs. That's fascinating. They have a rudder.

99:30They have a tail. They have wings. And it looks like a plane. Yeah. So how do you account for that? That is crazy. How do you account for that? Well, I don't know what we're looking at, and I think there's more to reality than we see. I have a feeling that our senses are extremely limited and that there's other dimensions that we don't have access to that might have access to us. I don't necessarily discredit the idea of something traveling from another planet. Right. I think we might be dealing with that too.

100:04I think we might be dealing with a bunch of different civilizations and entities that are at very different stages of evolution. So if life exists all throughout the galaxy, we know a bunch of things, right? We know that planets have certain ages. We know that some planets are very old and some planets are much younger. And we know that some planets are much closer to the sun and some planets live in a very hospitable environment. We know that some planets like ours are essentially in a shooting gallery because there's 900,000 near-Earth objects or more that are flying around, slamming into things. And if it wasn't for Jupiter, we'd be fucked. If it wasn't for Jupiter's enormous gravity and mass pulling everything into it, that's like basically our catcher. It catches all the shit that flies into our solar system and slams into Jupiter and of course the moon itself is pockmarked with so imagine a Planet that doesn't have that issue imagine a planet that has a different environment where there's not a bunch of shit flying around

101:06And they think that flying around stuff is largely a part of collisions Like planets colliding with each other in the distant past and that's actually how earth got formed You got a bathroom? Yeah, go go go go go Thanks, this is a good time. I'm investigating this stuff. Jamie's investigating Yes, I'm excited. Investigate. Why would there be... Go pee. Go pee. Come on, buddy. Thanks.

101:28To the left. To the left. Yeah. This dude's already lit. He's had three giant glasses of whiskey. And he's 78 years old? Yeah, I got a clear picture of that egg, too. God, I hope my brain works that good, but I'm 78. You know what I'm saying? Like, that dude just... He doesn't even have any notes.

101:45He's just pulling all his information out of the ether. So the guy who took him... You mean to wait? Which, the egg? No, no. Fuck the egg. This is the Nazca mommy stuff. Oh, yeah. He said he removed as many as 200 sets of remains from the cave. Whoa. Some of the bodies have been smuggled out of Peru to France, Spain, and Russia.

102:04Oh. In an interview with Reuters, he said, this is from... What would you do? Let's ask this. What would you do if somebody got you one of them mummies? If somebody said, hey, Jamie, give me that money that you won from Shane. Oh, look at that. Whoa. The same thing, though. Three toes. Yeah.

102:24Look how long the fucking toes are. I think that's where the x-ray comes from is these. Oh. It's the same guy, the McDowell guy. Oh, the same guy keeps finding them? Yeah, it's the same people. A little sus, right? They found about eight, I think, is what they're saying here. And then McDowell's father is saying they're having a hard time getting them to the U.S. to do more studies. Oh, yeah. Super hard.

102:46Cut the fucking shit. They're already pissed about them disappearing. Let me call Elon. disappearing he'll shoot a rocket over there pick those things up quick let me see the skull again have they done an x-ray the skull why would they do that I had an x-ray on one of these of the skull oh Jesus Christ holy shit dude it looks like a small ones though yeah but whatever look at this could be eggs what what is that like the ribs imagine if you found out those like anal toys and And they're just freaks. I do believe one of these they were saying was made up of different animal parts and stuff. Come sit down and put a microphone on.

103:22So we're looking at x-rays of one of them is bullshit. Look at the fucking x-rays of the skulls, man. Like, you're a doctor. Look at that. That looks like real shit, right? That looks like real, yeah. It looks like real bones. Well, yeah. Completely different. Yeah. The x-ray shows it, the caviarium, the space for the brain.

103:43What is that thing across his chest? What's that thing? Instead of the sternum, it's their form of sternum. Yeah, I guess, right? Yeah, because sternum holds our two sides, left and right together. Maybe it had surgery. Yeah. Maybe it had surgery. Implant. Jesus. Yeah, maybe that's its neural link.

104:01Where's this from? So this is, I was like digging more. This is from this year. Look at that one. Look at that. Show that to Dr. Gordon. Look at the same thing. Different finger, the long fingers, long toes. Same thing, three. And real similar in the way they look. So all these are coming out of Peru?

104:23They all came from the same area. When you disappeared, they said they've gotten close to 200 different spots. I didn't disappear. I'm here. Well, you disappeared. I disappeared. You just went to the bathroom, Jamie. Don't get mad. I did disappear. I just had to pee. Come on.

104:36Jesus Christ. It's like he left you. Yeah. Look at that X-ray of the skulls, the skeletons, though, rather. Those look real. So fascinating. Yeah, those look really weird. It looks very weird. This is what I was seeing too. The videographer isn't known. They don't know who shot this video.

104:56Mm-hmm. Well, it says, The videographer behind the new footage is unknown in no small measure due to the thorny legal and ethical dimensions of handling these allegedly historical and culturally priceless ancient remains. That makes sense. I don't know exactly how the video, but there are context clues in the longer version. One source who had also been granted the tape told DailyMail.com, they call them Haqueros, who has long been involved in the promotion of these NASCA mummies, was convicted of assault on public monuments for taking artifacts in 2022. So if you take these artifacts, they go after you. The man received a four-year suspended sentence, was fined about 20,000 Peruvian souls, which is $5,190 U.S. dollars, according to Reuters. A clear example of the high-risk, extra-legal measures some have taken to seek either truth or profit from these aliens. That makes sense.

105:50So it's dangerous to pull them out. You can get in trouble. So then I think that what I was getting to, too, was the journalist has a lawsuit? He's taking the Peruvian government to court, hoping to negotiate with Peru, as he put it, to be allowed to export the samples to be done in America. The lawsuit is already in for $300 million. Wow. Explained he's pursuing monetary damages to repair his enterprise's damaged reputation, but intends to spend the cash on a museum for the mummies and hookers and a Ferrari. I want a Ferrari. And Dr. McDowell himself has also recently pled with Peru's government in an open letter published in one of the country's top newspapers asking for official permission to study these specimens at top flight scientific facilities in the U.S.

106:38Well, I like that. I like that at least he's trying to get them, if it's true, that he's trying to get them studied. But you imagine if you were one doctor who did find these things, you would receive a tremendous amount of skepticism and assholes like me. Like making fun of him. Wes Hollywood is at the Mondrian. Interesting stuff, man. So when you look at that as a doctor, does that look like horseshit to you? Or does it look real? No, it looks real. I mean, the x-rays that you were showing. You know, the fact that they came from NASCA with all those lines.

107:11And Machu Picchu. And Machu Picchu. Which is a really amazing place that they, to this day, don't really understand how they built it. Correct. Allison went there to Machu Picchu. Yeah. So she was chewing on coca leaves in a candy and so forth. But I gave her Diamox. I gave her Diamox so that she can acclimate. Diamox is the tablet you take to boost your – Cordyceps mushroom is good for that too.

107:39There's a lot of things good for you. This is a pharmaceutical pill. But in my mind, knowing that it's NASCA lines and the association of possible aliens And then finding these, you know, these corpses coming from NASCA, you know, you put one and one together and it makes sense that. Sort of. Sort of. It also makes sense that if you were going to hoax things, that's where you would hoax them. Correct. I got it. And that's skepticism that you have for it. Well, I'm just being rational.

108:09I'm not being skeptical. I'm honestly not skeptical. I'm kind of open-minded about this stuff. So you don't believe that it's real? I don't know if it's real. Oh, yeah. I like to think it's real, but that's the problem is that I really want to think it's real. So what do you do? You say it's not real, but it looks real. I don't say nothing. Okay.

108:21I just talk shit. Yeah. That's what got you here. That's what we're doing. We're just talking shit. I don't know. I'm not an expert in biology. I don't understand. I mean, the skeleton looks real to me, but what do I know? If I was going to make a fake skeleton, could I do that with a bunch of, like, discarded bones? Maybe.

108:37What I'm skeptical about is the way the joints, they extend. On the fingers. Well, not just the fingers. Yeah, but they look like ours, right? Like the same way. If you go back to that skeleton again, please. Correct. If you look at it in the X-ray, what you see is the bones, they're formed, they're very similar to the way ours are formed. Correct. Where at the end of it, not the one of the actual skeletons, Jamie. Yeah.

109:01So look at how the bones are at the top and where the joint is. That looks like how our bones are. Like the hinge in the joint of the elbow looks exactly like how a human's is, except it's one bone instead of two, which is, let's be honest, probably a better design. Yeah. You know, the two bones. I broke that little one before. You ever broke that little one? The little onar. Yeah, I broke the fibula too. Whoa. Yeah, the small one.

109:24Yeah, the small one on the leg. In jiu-jitsu? No, kickboxing. Kickboxing. Not even checking a kick. We were kicking at the same time and a heel hit my shin. It looks suggestive, okay, of it being something that might be real. It definitely looks suggestive of something that might be real and very unique, right? Very different than our anatomy. And it's our prejudice that says that, oh, we're the only people here. Well, I don't think that.

109:49What do you think? I don't know. Yeah. I don't. I think there's, I think the possibility that something could be so advanced that all of our ideas of how it got here and how long it's been here are just silly. I think we might be just like these people in the Amazon that my friend Paul Rosalie is running into. They don't know that he goes on the Joe Rogan experience and reaches 15 million people. They don't have any idea. They have no idea. So what do they see? They see some guy with clothes on.

110:16Like, what's this asshole doing? And, you know, he's out there in the Amazon. And, you know, and then he takes a picture. And this is their experience with him is probably kind of similar to our experience, but except like much more exaggerated with aliens. Like if you came into contact with something that's a million years more advanced than us, like what would that contact be like? I mean, are we so limited in our understanding of how you move through the universe that we assume that everything has to use rockets and everything has to burn fuel and shoot things and to defy gravity by pushing against it? Maybe not. Maybe there's much more advanced propulsion systems that exist. These are the hands? Yeah, they're dissecting it. They're dissecting it.

111:04Whoa. What the fuck, man? Whoa. Yeah, the dissection, they'll know. That looks like weird bones in a hand. That's creepy. That's so creepy. Look at their skin. I mean, obviously mummified, but how fucking weird. How weird. Look at the bones underneath it.

111:28That's crazy. That is so crazy. And you're going to tell me someone put this together as a joke. Well, I don't know. I mean, I'm looking at this. I don't know who's a part of this. But when he peels that back and you see those bones again, that is fucking nuts. That's so wild. But also, why are those bones so clear for a mummified thing? Those bones look, in my mind, they don't look mummified. They look more recent.

111:58But what do I know? It almost looks wet. Go back to that image. Yeah, it was wet. The other thing was shiny, too. Right. So is that because they put something on it? Or is that what happens when you cut that thing open? I'll try to find a longer video and see if you can figure out how they did it. Them putting distilled water on it during the process of dissecting it. To clean it off?

112:19To dissect it. Maybe they're trying to clean off the bones and they did something to it to brush it and put water on it there. Whatever that is. How old did they say that that was? That's a good question. Did they carbon date it? See, that would be the thing to do is the carbon data to find out whether or not if it's that old, then it should be petrified and therefore it shouldn't look like that. Right. Right. Like if it's a million years old. If it's a million years old.

112:42But if it's only 500 years old, then things get real weird. It's a totally different story. So the way that the bones should look. Yeah. It's weird as shit. Yeah. But the thing is like there's so many people that essentially make a living off of lying. They make a living off of bullshitting. Yeah. You know, there's a lot of that going on. So religiously, I mean, look at from a religious standpoint.

113:06What's the impact of acknowledging that there are other species in extraterrestrials? What's the impact on religion here in the United States or here in the world? Depends on which religion you're talking about. It doesn't matter. I think the Vatican has been pretty open to the idea that we're not alone and that God could possibly have created other life forms. See if that's true. I'm pretty sure that's true. I think the Vatican gave a statement within the last decade or so about this. Yeah. But they probably know some shit, right? Yeah, they probably have it.

113:38They know a lot of ancient books. You've seen some of the Russian stuff. Yeah, you've seen some of the Russian studies where they had aliens who crashed in a flying saucer and they abused the aliens. Vatican astronomer says if aliens exist, they may not need redemption. Oh. That's cool. Jesus gave them a fucking hall pass. Blessed be those who come from other planets. There may be a different life form that does not need Christ's redemption, the Vatican chief astronomer said. That makes sense. I mean, if they come from somewhere else.

114:09Difficult to exclude the possibility that other intelligent life exists in the universe. He noted that one field of astronomy is now actively seeking biomarkers and spectrum analysis of other stars and planets. That's true. They definitely have done that. These potential forms of life could include those that have no need of oxygen or hydrogen, he said. just as God created multiple forms of life on earth, he said, there may be diverse forms throughout the universe. That makes sense. That's an open-minded religious person. It's not in contrast with faith because we cannot place limits on the creative freedom of God. That makes sense. Yeah. If you're going to be logical and be a believer in God, that's the way to do it, right? To say, look, if God exists, we just might be too limited in our understanding of the world to think that we think that God just made us and this is it.

114:58But it might be God has made life all throughout the universe. Yeah. If you believe in God, you have to accept the fact that he's on other planets. We're not the exclusivity. Maybe God is the universe. Well, that's what they've been saying. God is the universe. The universe is God. Yeah. Which makes sense because the universe is a creative force. It makes things constantly.

115:18It's constantly making stars. There's stellar nurseries and planets. So what's your take on Bigfoot these days? I think Bigfoot is mostly nonsense. That is sort of a historical memory. I think for sure we know that Gigantopithecus was a real animal that coexisted with human beings. And we know that it was the what's the date of Gigantopithecus? It's somewhere it's more than hundreds of thousands of years. Right. But it just makes sense that if human beings have been around for that long and that thing's been around for that long. And then 200,000 years ago, 2 million to approximately 300,000 to 200,000 years ago. So as recently as possibly 200,000 years ago, but that's essentially based on what they found.

116:05Now, they're constantly finding new things, right? So, like, they didn't even know Denisovans were a thing, which is a new type of human. Is that the gigantic ones? No, they're not gigantic. They're just a different, like, there was Neanderthal, Homo sapiens. Denisovan was another branch of the human tree. And they didn't discover them, I want to say 2010. When did they discover Denisovans? That recent. I think they discovered them in Russia. And they found them in China.

116:35And so they know that there's that. And then there was another species that they found recently that's even more recent. That's large-headed people. They had larger heads than us that existed with us. They had like big fucking eyebrows and big heads. What about the, they're what, 17 feet tall, 16 feet tall? What's that? The gigantic humans. That, they're, you know, I don't know. What's that? Here's the problem.

117:04Here's the problem. You don't know what is real. When was Dennis Olvin's? When they discovered that? Well, they lived, I think, 75,000 years ago. Right. How tall would they differentiate? They were like Neanderthals. When did they discover Denisovan fossils? That's what I'm trying to figure out. They had one piece they found.

117:22Right. But it was pretty recent. 2014? Yeah. You're right. There's a lot of shit that's coming on the internet. The last thing that I was reading, not last, but one of the things that I read was they found bones of people that were like. Giant people. Giant people. Yeah, I've heard that before. I've never seen any of it.

117:42I wouldn't dismiss it. You know, there's giants in the Bible. There's giants in historical record where they talk about them. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's completely possible that if you have pygmies and you have, you know, you know about the Hobbit people on the island of Flores? No. You didn't know about that? No. But they're Hobbit. Yeah, I think they call them Homo floresisis.

118:04And what these are is these little tiny ape-like humanoids that lived alongside people. I think they've dated them to 100,000 years ago. might be earlier. At one point in time, I think they thought it was 10,000 years ago, but I think they pushed it back. But these were like another branch of the human tree, and they were really tiny. And they used tools, and they hunted, and they think that, you know, that they were probably wiped out, at least partially. Yeah.

118:35Nice tits. Homo floresiensis. Floresiensis. And that's what they looked like. And they lived alongside us. so they think that might be a case of island dwarfism as well you know like there's a thing that happens to mammals when they're on islands where they get smaller and weirdly enough reptiles get larger that's why you have komodo dragons love them pretty cool right so there's homo sapien and there's homo floresis monster lizards there's like a bunch of different types of of humans that existed and we were the most clever and the most vicious

119:12and we went ha ha survival of the fittest yeah and the smartest we're the smartest we're the ones that are the most clever the size of the skull as it got bigger but the thing is these ones that they found recently see if you can find that article the large headed people that they found recently another totally new branch they're large headed but the same height as same height? same height as ours but larger

119:35heads probably much stronger like you know Neanderthals far stronger than us. Yeah, dubbed large-headed people. Enigmatic group once lived alongside homo sapiens in eastern Asia. According to Science Alert, fossilized remains unearthed from sediment layers dated over 200,000 years ago revealed individuals with disproportionately large cranial volumes. So click on that where they have images. December 2024, just last month. Yeah, real recent. Real recent they found this, or they've come out with this. I think They had images of what they look like, what they think they look like. Like someone did like a detailed, oh, large-headed people. You get regular folks.

120:17Here's regular folks with, unfortunately, big heads. I got hit. Yeah, homo juliesesis. Yeah. Yeah. So this is another branch. Look at the size of that fucker. Jacked. Ew, humans. Yeah. Wild.

120:36Big heads. Larger heads and bigger brains. There you go. Bigger brains than us lived 200,000 years ago. It's funny because we have them with a stupid stone tool. Maybe they were smart. Maybe we just fucking wiped them out. Look at the size of their heads, though. Jesus Christ. Crazy. Look at that one there.

120:53He's got a six-pack. Yeah. The guy's standing up. Look at the one down where he's walking like Bigfoot. Click on that. Yeah. Look at the size. The guy's jacked. Huge. Imagine running to that. Biceps and deltoids.

121:04Look at his fucking head. Yeah. Yeah. Imagine running into that dude? No. He's dead. Yeah. That's probably why. Look at him standing. Yeah. Yo.

121:13Yo, baby. AI photos are helping get this cool shit. AI is awesome. Yeah. AI is awesome. Look at that. Make that bigger. Look how fucking cool they looked. Estoy leyéndolo en español. Bro, could you imagine walking through the jungle and running into these dudes, like a bunch of them? Yo.

121:31What do you want? Look at it. Imagine. Yeah. There is so much more to be found. Well, just in our own history, right? The history of Earth, the different forms of life that don't exist anymore. And, you know, there's so much variety that it really does make you wonder, like, what are we seeing? We're seeing these alien bones that they're X-raying. What are we seeing when people report that they're experiencing contact with these entities? Are they from another dimension? Are they from another planet? Is everybody crazy? Is everybody just making things up? I don't know.

122:06How do you account for all the people that said, I've been taken? Yeah, it's very compelling. I've been taken. It's very compelling, but here's the question. Were they physically taken? Here's the question. The realm of dreams is a gigantic mystery, and the realm of dreams is hyper-realistic sometimes. I had a hyper-realistic dream last night. I wish I could remember what it was, but it's one of those things. It was crazy.

122:30But I got up in the middle of the night. It woke me up, and then I got up to pee, and I was like, what the fuck is wrong with me? And then I went back to sleep. But while I was experiencing that dream, I remember being aware that it was a dream eventually. But while it was all going down, I was like, this is a crazy dream. Like thinking like this is so vivid and so realistic. So if you live in a dream for the rest of your life, you are still alive and you are still experiencing things. You're just experiencing things in a non-physical way, the way we interact with reality today. So you and I are interacting with reality with a couple glasses of whiskey, a cigar. We have a wooden table. We're talking into microphones.

123:13But the reality that you interact with in dreams is it's not tangible. It's existing. You're experiencing it. But it's in some other realm. It's some realm of the mind and some realm of consciousness. and maybe what you're doing is accessing a dimension of possibilities that is entirely created by consciousness. And maybe there's multiple layers to that and things can come from other places to us that way. It's always been interesting to me that these people that have these abduction experiences, it seems like the vast majority, and I've read Abducted, which is John Mack's book. And, you know, I'm aware of the Betty and Barney Hill story.

123:59And this is Travis Walton, the guy who got abducted in Arizona. That's the black and white couple. No, no, Betty and Barney Hill are. Betty and Barney Hill. Actually, Angela Hill, who's the granddaughter of them, is a UFC fighter. Oh, really? Yeah. She was on the podcast and didn't tell me that until after the podcast was over. I'm like, damn. Was your grandfather? That's so crazy.

124:19Her grandfather was Barney Hill. um but so these people all have very compelling stories now the difference between travis walton story and the other stories is people saw travis walton go up to that ufo travis walton disappeared for five days travis walton came back from being in the woods for five days with this crazy story and the other people most of them it happens at night right and so when you're dreaming like who knows what the fuck is really happening and if you're lying in bed and you get abducted by aliens and they return you to your bed like what really happened is there a video of you disappearing or if we had like a video in that room would you have this same experience but your physical body never goes anywhere it's like what are you really experiencing yeah that's the question and i'm not doubting that these people have something happen to them but we do know that when people are dreaming there's an endogenous release of psychedelic chemicals there's this crazy experience of dreams

125:20and of vivid dreams and lucid dreams so what is that and if that is something that can be trans traversed is that is that something that someone can enter into is it possible that other intelligence that's different than ours that's more advanced than ours that lives in a different dimension than ours has access to the mind in these exchanges. Yeah, in the subconscious space. Yeah, and maybe even physically. I'm not even dismissing physical contact, but I'm just saying that many of these cases where people claim to have been abducted happen at night. I don't think that is a coincidence. I think the realm of consciousness is, I think we're very arrogant in our belief that we understand what's going on. We don't. How we interface with reality. No, we don't. We know

126:11we have things that we count on because they're like every time I come here, I'm pretty sure the same garbage is going to be on this table. It's going to be the same. But I don't think we're really sure with how consciousness interacts with the world and how much of it is real. I agree. In the subconscious space, you know, the question is, is that when the extraterrestrials invades our space, our psychiatric space, and therefore gives to us in our brain the perception of everything that we perceive, meaning the alien, the extraterrestrial. Maybe even Bigfoot. Whatever, everything. But maybe that's what Bigfoot is, right?

126:54You think so? Maybe. That's our perception, unconscious? Maybe it's something you're experiencing that's from somewhere else. or it's maybe it's your consciousness interacting with reality in a completely alien environment that is guaranteed to give you a heightened sense of anxiety the woods at night right a lot of these people are experiencing these things in the woods at night maybe there's a level of consciousness you reach under those circumstances where you interact with things that you ordinarily cannot interact with and maybe that's why there's a lack of physical evidence in our dimension Like the physical evidence in our dimension is very limited.

127:33One thing that's compelling, and maybe the only thing that's compelling, is dermal ridges that they find on these footprints. So they find these footprints in muck, like where they step in mud and muck and stuff, and they leave behind not just footprints, but footprints with dermal ridges like fingerprints, which is very difficult to fake, especially in like the 1970s and the 1980s where some of these things were acquired. So it's like I don't know what we're dealing with, But there's enough people that talk about that experience and it makes you pause. I don't believe, but I don't disbelieve. And as far as Bigfoot being an actual large ape that lives undisturbed in the Pacific Northwest, I'm very skeptical. Because there's too many hunters now and too many people with cameras and too many camera traps.

128:20There's too many cell phone cameras, you know, where they trail cameras, snap things that are going by. Wildlife biologists use them. Right. We know of like a couple of jaguars that exist in the United States. And the reason why we know about them is because of trail cameras. So the fact that there's zero trail camera footage that's – Alien. Yeah. It doesn't – the Bigfoot thing is like maybe. But maybe you're interacting with something that's not physical. It might be something that's interdimensional or something that you – you might be looking at the past.

128:52You might be interacting with whatever experience this thing has had many, many, many, many years ago. It's like left echoes. It might be echoes in space, echoes in time, and that under certain states, you can briefly access these echoes, briefly access these things that may have existed or might exist in other dimensions. I'm not ruling it out. I wouldn't bet the house on it. I wouldn't bet the house on it. I do think there's a lot of bullshit artists too, though. I've talked to a lot of big people that are bullshit artists. The balance that obviously you're talking about is the fact that there are so many people who are trying to present the factual evidence that it exists that causes you to doubt it. And so, you know, I believe that there's a possibility of all the things that we talked about from Bigfoot to aliens and so forth.

129:57But there's a tempered perception of it as being reality that it might be there. But we would rather deny it as opposed to accept it. Because what happens if you accept it as 100 percent truth? What is the mindset? Well, you can't accept it as 100 percent truth. unless you have 100% evidence. Yeah, you want to have physical evidence, but we don't have it. You know who believes in them? Pardon? You know who really believes in Bigfoot?

130:24No. Jane Goodall. Oh, okay. Which is wild. The gorilla lady. Yeah. Did you ever hear her talk about it? No. Why does she believe in it? She believes from all the eyewitness sightings and the possibility and her time living with primates.

130:37Right. See if you can find Jane Goodall talking about it, because when she talks about it, she talks about it with great enthusiasm. It's really interesting. Enthusiasm with facts to back it up or just the large number of people who have stated that they've seen it or experienced it or? I don't know. One thing, though, is like when she was saying this was quite a while ago, like more than a decade or two ago. And I think that, you know, over time when there's still no evidence, people get more and more skeptical. I've talked to a bunch of people that have had Bigfoot experiences. I don't necessarily believe any of them.

131:13I don't disbelieve them, but I was like, there's not one story. I've talked to UFO abduction people, and I believe them. I believe them. You believe them. Yeah, I believe Travis Walton. I talked to that guy. He does not seem like a bullshit artist, and he hasn't changed his story in like fucking 30 years. Bigfoot. That's good. Everybody talks to me about it. I'm romantic.

131:32I would like Bigfoot to exist. I've met people who swear they've seen Bigfoot. And I think the interesting thing is every single continent, there is an equivalent of Bigfoot or Sasquatch. There's the Yeti, there's the Yari in Australia, there's the Chinese wild man, and on and on and on. And, you know, I've had stories from people who you have to believe them. So there's something. I don't know what it is. I'm always open-minded. What about others? supposedly mythologicalized I guess I should say like the Loch Ness Monster Loch Ness Monster obviously

132:13doesn't exist alien beings I don't I think that it doesn't make sense to think we're the only intelligent form of life this wall that was built between us we're just the only really intelligent capable of this that and the other difference in kind between us and the other animals, that wall is broken down and the chimps help to break it down.

132:38Do you think the chimps help to break it down? Well, her experience with chimps, you know, she's been embedded with chimps. Yeah. I don't, I definitely don't not believe, like I said, don't disbelieve. It's not like you say aliens aren't real. UFOs aren't real. It's all lies. All the people are lying. I don't think that at all. I think the, I think reality is weird. I think it's weirder than our senses are capable of detecting.

133:04That's what I think. Absolutely. I tend to be more on the side that they exist until you prove that they don't exist. You know what's really weird is underwater aliens. Underwater extraterrestrials or underwater UAPs. I don't know about cities. Are cities under there? Yeah, cities where they have their spaceships at the trenches in the trenches. I've never seen any data. Yeah. But I have seen video. See, that's the point. You need to see it. There's video of things moving underwater at very high rates of speed. In fact, some of the whistleblowers, and again, how much that's real, but some of the whistleblowers from the government have claimed that they have detected things underwater that are enormous, like the size of a football field, and they're moving 500 knots underwater with no visible means of propulsion.

133:55Correct. They think that this is where they hide in plain sight. They just exist in the water. So those videos that have come out recently of the Navy aviators who have chased UFOs that have gone into the water and they've seen these large reflections under the water of huge spaceships and so forth. I haven't heard any of like, I've heard there was the Commander David Fravor, the Tic Tac event where there was this thing that was like 20 foot wide. It looked like a Tic Tac. And they think there was something under it in the water. There was a disturbance that looked like, you know, like an underwater submarine that's emerging or reaching the top of the surface. And then when they were flying near it, it went down. And then there's been other people, other pilots that have actually seen large physical crafts in the water. But again, I've never seen any photos that are compelling.

134:51So the chasing of a UAP? That's fascinating. Yeah. Is that real or is that figment? Well, that wasn't chased. What they call those, what do they call them, extra medium and intermedium, transmedium. They call them transmedium crafts, which means they can fly in the air and they can fly through the water. Right. They have seen things dunk into the water. They have video of one, but it's very grainy. It's very grainy night vision, thermal vision of this thing dunking into the water, and then they don't know what happened.

135:23Then it came out of the water. It was flying around again. They don't know what the fuck that is. They're just guessing. And looking at the physics of it, the fact that it was able to do a 90-degree change in motion. Oh, yeah. And then down into the water and then coming up. How do you account for that? You don't. Yeah. The really crazy one is the Tic Tac because the Tic Tac, they have a bunch of different types of data.

135:46They have, first of all, the pilots who saw it. They have the video from the pilots' cabins. They have this radar footage that tracked this thing going from above 50,000 miles to 50 feet in like one second. They don't know how the fuck anything could do that. And then it takes off when they video it, this thing taking off from their visual, from their recording, their screens. It takes off at such an insane rate of speed. They said anything biological would just be turned to jelly instantly. Kill because of the momentum. Because of the G-force would just be insane. It's just insane rates of speed. And no visible means of propulsion.

136:21It does it from a completely stationary perspective and then boom, it takes off. Yeah, they've talked about dimensional, the fact that those unidentified flying objects, they go into a different dimension as well. Maybe a different dementia, too. Yeah, dementia. They're in a state of dementia. Yeah, this is the one that goes in the water. So look how grainy this is. It's like, what am I looking at? So the fact that it's grainy means what? Well, they're just looking at it from a long distance with aircraft optics. These are weapon optics, right?

136:57So graininess means it's less possible. Well, it's dark out. And this is how they're seeing this thing. And then it just goes into the water. And if you hear it, you hear the recording. You hear the recording, Jamie? Listen to them freak out Yeah, they're freaking Right into the water So the thing went into the water And then also went out of the water

137:18Yeah But the thing is How many of these things are ours? Not zero How many of these things Have you ever seen that underwater drone that the United States has developed? No, I haven't seen that one It looks like a UFO It looks like a UFO that flies underwater It goes underwater I don't think it goes above the water.

137:39I think it only goes underwater, but it looks like a spaceship. Yeah. But with the rate of acceleration and the ability to change direction, those are things that are in the reality, in the real world, the physics behind it, as you said, everyone, if it went in that rate of ascent or descent and movement, it would kill everybody inside. Right. Momentum. But then the question is, like, what is it doing? Is it actually experiencing G-force at all? Because if it's some sort of a gravity propulsion device, it might be experiencing no G-force. And it might be just pushing space out of the way as it moves forward. We don't understand. That's like... Do we have that technology? It's a good question. Yeah. It's a good question.

138:26If we have that technology, then it explains it all. But the question is, as long as we don't acknowledge the fact that we're at that level of technology, then you have to account for where's it coming from? Right. There's definitely a lot of questions. I mean, I definitely don't claim to have any answers. What is this one? But it's cool. The Manta Ray thing. Oh, yeah. Look at this sucker. Look at this.

138:47This is the one that goes. This is a drone that we developed. It's like a Manta Ray drone. It's really cool looking. Well, it's also a mini. It's pretty big. Is it? But look at it. It looks like a fucking UFO that goes under the water. And it flies through the water. And also, like, what are we looking for?

139:05Are we looking for foreign subs or are we looking for aliens? Both. I wonder. Yeah. I wonder. I wonder. Wow. Imagine if they knew some stuff was under the ocean and they don't want to tell anybody because they don't want to freak people out. Duh. Yeah.

139:21Duh. Yeah. I've seen articles where it talks about cities, communities underneath the ocean in the San Andres, not San Andres Fault. What is that fault line called? Not the fault. Outside of California? No, no, no. The deepest trenches. The Mariana Trench? Yeah. Are there cities down there?

139:41What are websites you're reading? I think I know what his algorithm is. You know what I'm talking about? And I'm not using psilocybin or ibogaine or ayahuasca. Just normal I haven't heard anything about cities in the Mariana Trench Jamie have you heard anything about cities? Yeah look it up I know where I'm headed I know where I'm headed I haven't smoked anything or taken any pills

140:05You've been drinking whiskey since That's nothing come on Quite a bit of that whiskey That's a lot Glutathione I don't know if it totally helps You sound a little hammered You think? Give me another one of glutathions How many do you got? Yeah, I got plenty.

140:20How many did you take while you drank? I took two. I took one early this morning and then just took another one because I figured we'd finish the bottle. Jesus, you with the finishing the bottle. Absolutely. You're going to die from that. No. Nick, who's sitting outside, he and I sit down and we'll drink a bottle. Yeah. You know, for a period of about four hours. You might want to go to an AA meeting.

140:39You think? Been there. What is the Mariana Trench Cities all about? No, it's not the Mariana. It's one of the trenches that are out there in the world. Just Google trench underwater UFO city. Yeah, trench underwater UFO. Yeah, that's a good one. You're going to go right to Reddit. Yeah. You know what?

141:00We've been on this discussion about bears and Mariana Trench and UFOs and abductions and so forth. Fun stuff. Yeah, it reminds me of 438 where we were talking about every fucking thing. I mean, you blew me out of the water with that. I'll tell you the truth. We were there for three and a half hours on the first one. And when I left the studio, because I thought it was in Woodland Hills, I thought it was only supposed to be like 30 minutes or so. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But I left and I sat in my car for an hour to recuperate from that first visit with you. It was just way beyond that.

141:40Yeah. Yeah. If there really are things that are monitoring us and checking us out, it makes sense. Yeah. If life exists and it's more advanced than us somewhere else, whether it's in another dimension or whether it's on another planet, it completely makes sense to me that they would visit us. Yeah. They want to see how fucked up we are in terms of nuclear weapons. Sure. Yeah. Sure. Yeah.

142:01And if we're on a path, a predictable path of evolution that almost all intelligent life goes on, there's probably going to be pitfalls that they could help us navigate. I would think so. I would hope so. Right. Like if Jane Goodall studying the chimps. Let's imagine they're still studying the chimps 500 years from now, 1,000 years from now, 100,000 years from now. Let's imagine civilization still exists. Chimps still exist. We've protected it. We've done a smart thing. And they still – what if they start making tools?

142:27What if they start making weapons? What if they eventually start going to war with each other? What if one chimp figures out gunpowder? What if their brains keep growing like ours allegedly did? Sounds like us. Yeah. Right. Right. So imagine if we're observing emerging intelligence in other primates other than us. How would we handle it? Like how would we handle it if all of a sudden chimpanzees, not all of a sudden, but hundreds of thousands of years now. What would our future society do if in the future chimpanzees start developing weapons and buildings and planes and doing all the shit that we do when we're far more advanced than that then?

143:05Is that Planet of the Apes? Well, it's not because like you would think that they would become a different thing. You know, they would become like we did. Right. Like we used to be Australopithecus. We used to be all these different hominids. What if they eventually become like more hairless? They start wearing clothes. It would be fucking real interesting to see how human beings would handle that. You know, like what would we do a million years from now if hominids kept advancing down an evolutionary plane. Right.

143:34And they eventually got to a place where they were like ancient humans. How would we do? I mean, if we were like super advanced, like, oh, you guys can't go to war. Don't war. We stopped war a while ago. You guys need brain chips. Brain chips stop the war. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting.

143:52Interesting. Well, I mean, it is interesting because like what's different between us and any other people that have ever lived is that we've figured out a way to optimize your health in a very substantial way. in the past, someone who was my age, I'm 57, someone who was my age, your body's probably broken. Your body is probably beaten down. Your hormones are dead. You're probably real tired all the time. And I'm not. And because of vitamins and hormones and all the different things that I do to keep my body healthy and exercise, we're living in a different time. And because of that, you stay vital. You have vitality much longer than anyone ever did before. So you can explore things and you have more curiosity and energy for thought

144:38more than anybody ever has before. Yeah. Wow. You alright? Yeah. You do CPR? Nope. Good. I would watch a lip satellite. He does it? Jamie practices every night with different dudes. He does, yeah, I can imagine. No. One of the greatest fallacies is that as we age, we don't need to do anything to reinvigorate our body.

145:09Right. Supplements are very important. Hormones are key. Exercise. Exercise is important because, as I said about the brain-derived neurotrophic factor, you can increase it to improve brain. this guy out of the usc uh kelly finch finch kelly finch who talked about he believed that the reason for why we age and we die is because we lose our hormones in our brain and therefore extremely important or is uh scotch yeah there it is that's what you need more of that no i need to clear the throat yeah look at that i got my voice back. Yeah. So in, as you said, you're 57 years of age, I'm 72 years of age. And I think the reason why I'm at 72 with the level of clarity and functionality, aside from my back, is the fact that I've always, 30 years, I've been a hormone replacement, nutraceuticals, getting in good

146:07vitamins, so forth, because our body loses it over the course of time. And you need to keep replacing it and the people who are listening to this have to might understand that um you need to supplement you need to be proactive on your quality of health otherwise you start losing it and exercise not just for that but also just to maintain your physical presence right your strength your bone density you know at my age people say i still have my pecs i still have my you know trimness and fitness i don't know about uh general energy do you still do martial arts anymore uh no I stopped doing the martial arts. What I do in place of martial arts is I dig holes and put plants in. Not the other holes. Digging holes is hard work. Yeah.

146:51I remember one time you sent me an email. So be careful because I was using a big pike to cut holes in the ground. But I end up with lemons and I make limoncello, pomegranates, make pomegranates, wine, and so forth. I was sensing a trend here. Yeah. And I sent you some kumquats. Did you ever get the kumquats? I did. Thank you. Did you eat them? Yes, I did.

147:14Okay, yeah. High in vitamin C. Kumquats are really good for you. Awesome. Much more high in vitamin C apparently than even oranges. Oranges, right. Every morning I have three of them. That's great. Three of them, and it's great. Do you take liposomal vitamin C as well? I take liposomal vitamin C.

147:34C, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I take that stuff too. that's such a great thing too if you're sick is a high dose intravenous vitamin c it's a big one yeah ivs yeah i had a skeptical friend of mine who dismisses all kinds of quackery he was real sick with the flu he couldn't get over it for weeks and i i told him listen man i'm gonna hook you up do this get iv zinc and vitamin c and high dose vitamin c and b12 and he was better immediately. He said 24 hours later. He couldn't kick this fucking flu. He said, I had it for two weeks. In 23

148:12years, I've been sick. 16 days. That's amazing. That's it. I never got... Well, let me be honest. I got COVID for 12 hours. 12 hours? 12 hours. Tested twice, positive for COVID. That was a Wednesday. Let's see. It was a Wednesday. I think we were having Yom Kippur. No, we were having Pesach.

148:34Passover. And I got sick that night and 24 hours later, no symptoms. That's amazing. Nothing. Quercetin, zinc, a little ivermectin. That's crazy. You shouldn't talk about that publicly. No, I shouldn't. Yeah, ivermectin. Horrible shit. Really? You can talk about it now. Oh, good. Now, you know, fucking people are taking it.

148:56Yeah. I think I sent you the ivermectin paper with ivermectin from Bendazol. I have a 76-year-old veteran who was diagnosed with a Gleason 7. You know, Gleason is a grade of cancer of the prostate. And it was a Gleason 7. He went on 12 milligrams of ivermectin every day for eight weeks. And at 12 weeks, he got a PET scan done, a special PET scan done, looking at abnormalities in the prostate. They couldn't find anything.

149:25That's amazing. And his PSA, prostatic-specific antigen, when his initial one with the cancer was 12.6, He's now at 5.3. Is that your phone? I don't know. What does this cell phone sound like? Sounds like that. It does? What do you think about all the people that are very – yeah, you had a Samsung phone. It's definitely yours.

149:47Significant. Is that a Google phone or a Samsung phone? Google. Google. You like that? Let me shut that. Yeah, I like it. They keep on trying to get me out of the first grade, first generation into the seventh until it dies. Oh, yeah? I use it, yeah. Ride or die, huh?

150:01Yeah. I don't like the software they put in there. Google just gave me the new Pixel 9 XL Pro. It looks sick. And then they gave me the Pixel Fold. It was like a gift when I went to the inauguration thing. Yeah, it's pretty sick. Oh, you were there? Yeah, I wouldn't. The Fold seems crazy. I'm addicted enough to watching YouTube videos on a regular phone.

150:20I don't need a fucking tablet. Have you seen what Huawei's made? Huawei, they're banned in America because they're too awesome. And also they spy on you. But Huawei has developed a threefold. And apparently Samsung is going to come out with one next year. And it's a threefold, though. It literally comes out to like a 10-inch tablet. And it's very thin. Look at this. Look at that.

150:45That's a threefold. That's the Huawei threefold. And super thin, amazing cameras. They were so advanced. I was trying to get a Porsche design Huawei phone. They were working with, you know, Porsche Design makes a bunch of things. They make, like, watches and sunglasses. They don't just make cars. Like, Porsche Design is, like, a separate entity of Porsche. And Porsche Design worked with Huawei to make, like, the ultimate cell phone. And I was ready to buy it because I'm a dork.

151:14You know, I'm really into technology. And I was like, oh, that thing's crazy. Let me get it. And I think I had a 100 megapixel camera on the phone. And this was a while ago. And a 500 milliamp, 5,000 milliamp battery, which was also crazy. but then they banned Huawei products in America. So you can't get that trifold. Backdoor right to the CCP. Yeah, allegedly, but isn't TikTok too? Yes.

151:36Isn't all these things? There's a lot of backdoors. There's a lot of data getting scooped up. Yeah, my cybersecurity people keep on telling me don't use Zoom because it backdoors into the CCP. Oh, boy. Yeah. That's great. So I haven't used it, so I use Microsoft. What the fuck can you use? Yeah.

151:54I don't trust anybody anymore. No. I'm scared. I'm there with you. Scared of all of it. Yeah. But I think it's all inevitable. And I think if you look at what's going on, like in terms of like what's the direction that technological progress moves us into? Well, it's a direction, it seems, of more and more connectivity, which means less and less privacy. So we're going to have to work that out. because when quantum computers can crack all encoding,

152:22it's like any encryption that exists, quantum computing is going to crack all that. So you're not going to have real encryption anymore. So what happens with Bitcoin and digital currency? What happens with all that stuff? What happens with your bank account? I don't know. Weird times. One of the things that scared me was in the Wi-Fi. They now can go back and using AI, use the transmitted waveform to see who's in a room.

152:50Yeah. You saw that. Yeah. Accurate 3D representations of the people moving around. Yeah. So I turned off all my Wi-Fi extenders. It's also crazy. It's just like we're living in an ultra-surveilled world. And I think the good news is that the new government is emphasizing privacy and freedom of speech. and the other government was emphasizing cracking down on what they called misinformation and disinformation and more control of what you say and do and where you go and the way to get more

153:19control is more invasive technology and that's what scares the shit out of me yeah is people it's not necessarily the technology it's people taking advantage of the technology in order to have more control of the population which makes their job easier yeah that's the reason why i only use my cell phone when I travel. Otherwise, I don't use it. People call me and say, were you? I use my cell phone. Good for you. It's off all the time. My friend Adam Curry, he's super paranoid. Maybe not. Maybe not paranoid. Maybe

153:51super aware of digital surveillance and all that stuff. He has a de-Googled phone. He has a phone that doesn't have Google on it. What are those... What's that operating system that they use for that stuff? Do you remember, Jamie? Doesn't your friend Musk have a phone that's coming up? No. No, he doesn't. I just asked him the other day.

154:10He said no. We were talking the other day at the inauguration. I was saying, dude, every other day I get an article about a Tesla phone. He was laughing. He goes, I hope we don't have to make a phone. That's what he said. I hope we don't have to make a phone. It's very difficult to make a phone. But whoever's promoting it. That's it. Graphene OS.

154:26So graphene is de-googled phones. So they take these pixels and they de-google them and they put this graphene OS. which is a completely different operating system. And then you have another phone called the unplugged phone. Pixel 7. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. And so they use these things, and they work just like a regular phone. Yeah. And you can get them where they don't have 5G because some people think 5G is bad for you.

154:53No, I still work off of 3 and 4, and I don't update the software because updating the software gives them more access to you. Dun, dun, dun. I got to go again. Well, let's just wrap it up. We're at 4 o'clock. Okay. Mark Gordon, I love you to death. You're an awesome guy. I appreciate you very much. Thank you, my friend. It's always good to see you. Thank you for all your research and all the work you do and spreading information and knowledge. Yeah. I really appreciate it.

155:18I appreciate the fact that you've supported me over all these years in the work that we do with our veterans. And they've been receiving the benefits of the work that we've done. And, you know, stopping the suicide is the goal for the Millennium Health Centers. That's it. Yeah, and tell everybody the website so they can find it. The educational one is www.tbihelpnow.org. I don't think you have to say www anymore. I don't have to say it. No, no, nobody knows that. How about WQ? You can just type in the – TBI Help Now.

155:49TBI Help Now. Help Now. .org. .org. And then is Warrior Angel Foundation still – Warrior Angel Foundation's there, but they've melded into – yeah. This is – Improve brain health by fixing the root causes. Yeah, this is Biohack Yourself, and I'll give a minute on it. A family called Lolly Group, and if you were in Washington for the inauguration, the Biohack Group, which is the Lolly Group, which is Anthony and Teresa Lolly, they're the ones who put together Biohack Yourself, which has been picked up by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as being their representative for media because he trusts them. because all they want to do is get the science out there that's real, not the bullshit that's been thrown at us. So they've been pulled in, and there were 32 of us, quote, experts is what they call us, who participated in this program.

156:46So what they're doing is really cool because it's presenting the science behind what you've already experienced with us and what I continue to promote for brain health, for well-being, and longevity, anti-aging. Beautiful. Okay. All right. All right. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you. Always appreciate it. Thank you very much. Thank you.

157:07Thank you, my friend. Always look to see you. Goodbye, everybody.