Brian Simpson

02:51The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Oh, cheers. Good to see you, my brother. Thank you, man. My pleasure. Scotch. Okay, first of all, Joe, did you see the guy yesterday, his debut MMA match? He won, by the way. He has no lower body. Yes, Zion. Zion. Yeah, dude. incredible it was unbelievable how fast he closes the distance with no legs and so what my question is are you a zion clark amazing are you allowed is he considered a downed opponent that's a good question because that because that changes the game that makes him op he because you can't kick him you can kick him in the body you can kick downed opponent in the body i mean you think a leg kick is bad imagine an arm kick and then imagine like you can't grab his legs you can't yeah it's it's and also his upper body's insanely strong for someone

04:02of that weight class so you have to think like first of all nothing but props for the guy no excuses the guy's amazing and just the fucking amount of courage that it takes to even train and become an elite wrestler and then become an mma fighter all with no legs incredible it's Yeah, that's insane. No one's saying there's an advantage. But one thing that he's able to do, I mean, you don't have legs to control. So, like, your game is different. In the stand-up game, you know, punches, like, if you're punching a guy that's down like that and literally is at the hips, like, you have to, like, bend your knees down and try to punch him, like, to train for that guy. How do you train for that guy? All your power comes from your legs. So if you can't push off when you punch, you can't really load up and, you know. And if you kick that guy in his arm and break his arm, that's fucked up.

04:57Because now he can't even get around. But he's probably so, because here's the thing. You know that old quote about like don't argue with a fool because they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience? Right. It's like that. It's like he has way more experience down there than you do, and you've got to get down there. Look how fast he can move just on his arms. That's insane. Boy, that's terrifying. 33-inch vertical jump. That's incredible. Whatever that means. Have you ever seen that woman who was born with no legs and she does everything with her feet? She puts her lipstick on with her feet. She eats with her feet. She writes her name with her feet. Yeah, it's crazy. She has dexterity with her feet like people have with their hands, which makes you think. I wonder if that's a skill that we all could acquire. We just don't because we don't use our legs for that.

05:44Because there's certain things that people could do with their hands. right like if you ever see like a guy who's really good at boxing thinking like you ever have you done any boxing a little bit yeah one of the things that's really awkward to learn is a left hook feels very weird it does yeah when you're standing like this and you got to do that it feels very weird to learn how to do that properly it's a very odd movement and people are all like it's but eventually it gets to the point where it's natural like in a fight it just comes out like you train it yeah so there's all these like hidden abilities that our bodies have we just don't ever use them in that way i think i think you know necessity is necessary like the fact that you have no choice yeah that is the that is the number one motivator it's like if i don't learn how to do the shit

06:28with my feet i'm never going to do shit right yeah i admire that kind of shit and you your nervous system the way you learn things is by repetitive you know motion like you do it over no that's why like when you tie your shoes you don't even think about it just eddie bravo used always use that as an example about jiu-jitsu that you got to train it to the point where it's automatic like tying your shoes because when you tie your shoes you're not thinking okay i make this loop and i wrap it around that loop and i go under and i do that you don't think that you just and it's like that's jiu-jitsu has to become like that too i knew some kind of rhyme when i was a kid at first you know they teach you like you know or some shit like you know this is a bunny rabbit and over the bridge. But now I don't think about it at all. Yeah, you don't think about it at all. Well, that eventually happens, I think,

07:16with everything that you do. You just got to do it so much because you tie your shoes every day. Get up, tie your shoes. Take your shoes off, put them back on, tie them on. That's why I, because on my podcast, BS with Brian Simpson, check it out. It's a very good podcast. YouTube, all platforms, BS with Brian Simpson. On mine, we, I get, all the time I get emails about, people go how do I do stand up comedy? You get those questions all the time. I remember when I first started I would get so frustrated because the veterans would always be like just keep doing it. It felt like a bullshit answer. But it is the answer. It's the right answer. It's the right answer. You just got to do it. But you also have to pay attention to what you're doing. I think if we all go back and watch our old tapes. I can't do it. Yeah it's horrible. You would go like oh my god I would never do that that way now.

08:05especially the so i remember when i um when i first when i first started to get good when like you know when people how many years was that in probably like two two and a half years so we felt like comfortable on stage right when i felt comfortable when when my reputation in the scene was like he's one of the best right and and i remember the um this guy did a show at uh at the club he booked the club for the whole night I was working the door at this club and and he decided to come out he booked three other comics too he decided to come out after each comic in a different costume as a different character and do stand-up as a different person and he'd never done stand-up like he was not a stand-up I might have seen him at like one open mic or something then he decided to put on this whole big show he was like a model or something

08:56so he just had like a grand idea and i watched this motherfucker bomb in front of his friends all the club was all people he brought i watched him bomb three times on the same show and it was it was painful and i i went up i think i went up after the first character and i had what i had the best set of my life and he also had he recorded the whole thing the whole he had triple cameras set up and everything and uh and i remember hitting him up the next day like hey man you think i could get that tape you know and and he was like i i can't watch it right now but i'll get it to you as soon as soon as because i felt him like yeah his heart was ripped out of his chest by the time he went up the third time he was already broken and this was his first time on stage it was not his first time on stage but it was like he'd done maybe two open mics and then

09:52put on this show for his all his friends and family and and and i'd forgotten about it i ain't hear from the guy for like six months you know and one day i come in i come into work and somebody's like hey man somebody dropped this off for you and it was a dvd with that set on it that i was like that was the best that i ever had like i can't wait to watch this and i get home and i pop it in the computer and it was so bad and and and that's when i realized like oh no like the lessons you would have learned from that you've already learned now in these six months like you you needed to watch that the next day or within a week or something to get right right you figured it out it's funny in the beginning because you're working with open micers too so like uh i remember when i got my first gig when i got a paid gig and i realized oh there's a giant difference between

10:39an audience that's there to see a comedy show versus an audience that goes to an open mic night Right, they're there to see pros and I wasn't really a pro. I was just doing open mic nights. I was I sucked and The youth when you're working with people that are terrible, I mean they're so bad They'll never be good. They just don't whatever the fuck it is that makes a person funny They they are void of that right there's we know those guys right those girls those non-binary folks when you learn like how to do it like comedy is one of those things it's just everyone's got to figure out their own little weird path you know and we're all doing that for the first time and you're trying to imitate people and you're so everybody sucks so if you go up and get a few laughs you think you're the shit yeah and then you do a work working show

11:29where you work with like real pros and you realize how terrible you are yeah well that's why places like that's why places like the store were important because it was like yeah you you know you're the shit in fucking Des Moines. Yes. And then you go to LA and you go to the store and you, you know, and you every night you see people that are light years beyond you and you need that. You need to see that. Yeah. Because so many people, they're comfortable being king of the hill because they, they scared to climb the mountain. One of the things that Mitzi used to do at the store is if she thought you were any good, she'd put you on after the best people. Oh God. You just died. You died. I had to go on after Richard Pryor five weeks in a row. Every time Richard Pryor did a set, I went on after him. Yeah, but you know what, though? The best people, that doesn't scare them. It scared the shit out of me. Did it?

12:19Oh, yeah. But it wasn't part of you that was looking forward to the challenge? No, I was terrified. Oh, my God. You know who terrified me the most? Martin Lawrence. Oh. Dude, I've talked about this before, and I'm sorry if you've heard the story, but Martin Lawrence during the You So Crazy days in the 90s, I was just getting to LA so I was like 94 just getting to LA little cute fresh face Joe Rogan and I was terrible you know just clunky real you know I'd get a few laughs I had a couple of good bits but then I'd fuck something up and just you know so I had some potential and I was working at it and I just went on after murders and when Martin Lawrence would kill but people forgot how god damn good Martin Lawrence was back then I hear that from everyone man People forgot. If you go back and watch some of his specials and hear the laughs, it's always hard to watch a special from the 90s.

13:12Because for some reason, comedy doesn't hold up that good. It holds up for Pryor. It holds up for Kinison. It holds up for the greats of the greats. But if you watch some of the really good specials from the 1990s, there's something about them. They're just kind of the style's dated. Something's different. I think it's just that some comedy is about the big picture, like just humanity, and some comedy is about the times. Right. And the comedy is specifically about the times. Unless things are the same, it doesn't hold up because the culture is so different. Yeah, for sure. I mean, culture shifts so radically. You know who I always fucking dreaded following? Who? Fucking Joey Diaz. Oh, he was the monster. Joey Diaz. That's why I started taking him on the road with me. Oh, yeah. Because I had a bomb going on after him. I was like, oh, good. I'm going to take him on the road with me. It'll force me to get better.

14:08Rick Ingram. A lot of people won't admit this, but everyone hated following Rick Ingram. Oh, because Rick Ingram would work the crowd. He worked the crowd, but just so masterfully. Masterfully. The crowd would be mad that he was gone and that you were there instead. Also, they wanted to talk. Yeah. When Rick's up, he'll talk to you. He wants you to talk back. He wants to fuck around with you and have a conversation with you. But I was like, yo. But I told, you know, I want to go after him every time. If we're on the same one. That's great. Yeah, because I would bomb after him all the time. And I was like, until I figure out how to not bomb after him, I'm missing something. You know, you got to cut all the fat out. That's what I realized. You got to cut to the point. Don't don't be self-indulgent. Pay attention to yourself like you're a hater. Cut that shit out. Make it quicker. Get get to the funny.

14:54Cut all the stuff that's like C material. Cut it out. I look at my act like I'm getting ready for a bodybuilding thing where it's like I just bloated full of every fucking possible idea I could possibly have. The bulking phase. Yeah, and then I fucking... That's a good way to think about it, the bulking phase. Because it is like the bulking phase. I'm in the bulking phase right now because I'm writing all this new shit. That's my favorite part about the whole shit. It's like watching a kid grow up. It's exciting. Yeah, just wait until I figure it out. By the way, I think I figured out that one bit. Oh, beautiful. We'll see. Good. See it tonight. Yeah, the the those days though of like bombing after I bombed after dice a bunch of times I bombed after Bombed after Damon Wayans I bombed after everybody It's so many people that so funny. Oh my god, but back in the 90s man

15:45I couldn't believe I was on stage with them Like I couldn't believe when I remember sitting in the back there's another one that people forgot about Damon Wayans Damon Wayans he had this special called The Last Stand go watch that special it's fucking sensational and again you got to watch it like it's whenever that special was made I don't know what year that was but dude he was a monster he just decided to do television he just decided he made a lot of money doing those fucking tv shows I think he's I think he's coming back though god I hope so I know he still does stand up and do you know that he records every fucking show that he's ever done on video. He brings a tripod and a video camera. He sits in the back of the room. He puts them all on his computer and he watches them. I opened up for him in the belly room one time when he decided to do a show. He walks in with a camcorder like it's 95.

16:36He's been doing that forever. He's a pro. He's a pro. You know like those jazz saxophonists practice every day and they get their shit tight and they analyze it and go over it. That's what he does with comedy. Yeah. I used to be that meticulous, and I'm trying to – but it got to the point where it was – it started to be easier for me, and I got lazy. You know what? There's a thing that I think we should all implement. You know how we do this sober October thing where this year we had to work out every day and burn 500 calories. We should do that with writing. Like we all commit to writing. Just make it reasonable, like two hours every day. Writing for two hours? Writing for two hours every day. That's reasonable. That is reasonable, yeah. You know why? Because once you start, you just keep going. Like, the hard part about writing is sitting down in front of your computer.

17:27That's what Steven Pressfield calls resistance, the resistance of doing it. It's like your ego's fighting you and, you know, whatever it is. Procrastination. Like, there's times where I'm in front of my computer and I'm supposed to write and I just watch people play bull. See, procrastination is interesting because I heard somebody recently say that it's not – procrastination is your inability to deal with the negative feelings around the task. Because procrastination isn't you just not doing the important thing. You're doing something unimportant instead. Right. You're doing something with no consequences. You're scrolling TikTok. You're playing video games. You're doing something with no stakes because the stakes make you uncomfortable. right yeah yeah like the sit in front of the computer and not knowing where to go with anything

18:16yeah fuck like i need to leave my house because uh do we we have a we because you know i'm roommates with hans and and uh asan and we we there's an extra room that we kind of turn into a podcast studio but i have to leave i still record somewhere else because i have to leave to work to work yeah i can't me having my computer in my room was the worst thing i've ever done my in my bedroom because you just sit in the bedroom then yeah because it's it's the place where i work and the place where i rest they like blend yeah and it's like i can't get things done that way i realized early on when i started doing my podcast i got i had to take it out of my house i was like i gotta take it out of here plus my daughters are really young i was bringing crazy people over and pot was coming out of the fucking door and into the hallway like mommy what's that Smile.

19:06And it's like, oh, I don't want motherfuckers knowing where I live. There's that, too. And then there's also, like, sometimes my kids would be screaming in the background. It was fun, though. Those old videos are kind of hilarious. And nobody comes and taps you on the shoulder and goes, hey, you're too famous for this. You know what I mean? It just creeps up on you. Yeah. Yeah. I had a motherfucker. I had a somebody drop me off at my house the other day at Uber. And the whole ride, this this dude was asking me questions as though he didn't know who I was. He got. And then, yeah, and then drops me off at my house and goes, hey, man, I'm going to be honest. I'm a big fan. And we'll do the whooping. Well, I didn't know you live here. And it's like, oh, man. Shit. Yeah. So now when I Uber home, I have to Uber up the street. I Uber to the next block. Oh, no. Yeah. Oh, no. But it's just part of it.

19:51I don't think I'm not big enough where somebody's going to do something crazy, at least. But it only takes one crazy. It only takes one crazy. Why don't you get a car? I will eventually. Yeah. Yeah. It's easy to drive around here. Yeah, I will. I get the whole Uber thing, but I like driving myself. I like being alone, thinking. There's something about the movement of driving, too. Especially if you're driving something where you have a manual transmission. There's all this activity in your mind. There's a lot of stuff going on. They don't even do those anymore. Oh, yeah, they do. Yeah? Yeah, you can get manuals. They still sell the Mustang in a manual. They sell Porsches in manual. But the default's automatic. Yes. there's very few cars where you could only get a stick there's a few like sports cars we could only

20:37get a stick like uh custom made stuff and there's a few what like there's probably a i think some of the porsches there's like one or two porsches maybe it's the t is it see if that's true the 911 t is that they like make purist cars like they did that they used to do that with the the gt3 was like the porsche r it only came in a manual it was like this 500 horsepower beautiful 911 that was like sedated looking because it looked almost like a right it didn't have like a crazy wing like a gt3 rs that's yeah the unconnected car it does internet connected cars makes it a case for unplugging how is it unconnected it doesn't have uh screens and shit and GPS, is that what it's saying? Strip down. It has more, oh, the new Dyna 11T has more electronic equipment than the old one, including electronically adjustable dampers, active engine transmission. Okay, that's just like electronics for the car itself.

21:35But the infotainment system is connected and able to receive over-the-air updates and link to a smartphone app, but you can still turn the data sharing and refuse to use the app. Even the UTA updates are limited to infotainment software, not vehicle controls. For modern high-end vehicles, this is as close as you're going to get to an off-the-grid in a brand-new car. They're dope. Go back to that image again. Yeah, so that's a manual. Yeah, but that's not as close as you can get off-the-grid. Rip that shit out. That's off-the-grid. It still looks like it has Apple CarPlay. Right. Totally disconnected. Yeah. But if you get an old car, old cars, that's a real experience. But I don't want that. I want my shit loaded to the gills. Give me every modern. I'm a gadget guy. I don't want a fucking old car. You would get annoyed if they didn't have Android Auto, right? Some of them don't have Android Auto.

22:26Yeah, some of them don't have it. Or they don't have it wireless. You have to plug a cable in to use it. Yeah, that's annoying. There was a thing where BMW was going to make people pay to use Apple CarPlay. Or any other features. I don't know what it is. It was like a monthly subscription. I was like, that's crazy. Is that true? Find out if that's true. It's the rich tax. But that's just stealing money. Yeah. Like, I bought the car. Give me the fucking features. I could just go out and rip that shit out and put one in there that doesn't require anything. When I get our Apple CarPlay, it's like... It used to be an $80 charge. Now it's not. Oh, okay. They bailed on it. That's crazy. Just the fact that they had you charge per month? A year. A year. That's not a lot, but it's still stealing $80 a year. Yeah. Well, it's the rich tax.

23:13It's like I was just talking to one of the guys out there about he pulled out some Tom Ford glasses. And it's like when you finally can start buying stuff like that and you realize, oh, these are way nicer than the shit I've been buying, right? But they ain't worth $500. But they know if you can afford – they're probably worth like $250. But they know if you can afford $250 sunglasses, you'll pay $500 for them. Well, how many people sell stuff on, like, aftermarket? They'll buy sneakers right when they come out, and then they sell those sneakers. You could sell them because they'll sell out, and you could sell them for hundreds of dollars more. There's some people that that's their whole business. Yeah. They're rich off that. They flip sneakers. Yeah, and they created, like, bots that'll buy them as soon as they come out. It's crazy. It's crazy the demand for them.

24:01Yeah, I've never—I like some sneakers, but I'm not about to— gadgets are the thing that I would like that I'm unreasonable, like, will pay extra up front to be the first adapter. But sneakers, I'm like, I'll just wait. I'll get some nice ones. Yeah, you're all in with gadgets, and you're all in with Android, which is very interesting. For now. Oh, you're starting to come to the dark side. Well, I think Apple is about to switch, not to USB-C, but I think they're going to go wireless completely. That's not smart. It's the way they... It's not as fast. Well, the thing is, the reason they're still on the old Lightning cable is because manufacturers have to pay them for that made-for-Apple shit. Right, because of the Lightning cable. They should have gone to USB-C. Right, and they invented USB-C. That's crazy.

24:52And now they got the MagSafe shit, and that's proprietary as well, because the EU just ruled against them. Right, the EU said that they have to put USB-C cables. No, the EU said anything that can be charged with a cable has to be USB-C. Well, USB-C is superior, which is weird. It's like superior for data transfer, superior for everything. But Apple had that proprietary input that so many more people have iPhones than I know. In America. Yeah. But if you look at the number of sales, it's like I think there's way more Android phones than there are iPhones. In the world, yeah. What is it in America? I think even in America there's more Android phones than iPhones. I'm not sure. No. No? No, no, no. Really? I think it's just people with China. Apple has a lock on America. But you can get a really good, cheap Android phone for like a couple hundred bucks. Yeah.

25:50Like if you're on a budget and you just need a phone to text and send an email and shit, an Android phone will do whatever the fuck you need it to do and you can get one. like what's like go to like verizon store what's like a cheap android apple claimed over 50 as of september this year oh so this is the first time yeah they took from i would just saw 2010 it said that it's they they don't have the lead but that's incredible that's incredible took it over i guess we had this guy uh siddharth kara on the podcast the other day it was one of the most disturbing and dark and just depressing podcasts I've ever done. Is it about spying? It's about cobalt mining, about what goes into getting a cell phone. What really goes into getting a cell phone is slaves in the Congo and children in the Congo and people with babies on their backs, women who are working with a child on their back

26:46breaking out cobalt with hammers and the toxic fumes. They're inhaling them their child's inhaling them all sorts of birth defects cancers respiratory diseases dermatitis He was talking about all this horrible shit that happens these people on top of the fact that they're not getting Heart barely any money. They're just barely enough to survive and eat. They're treated like shit They work 12 hours a day, and that's at the heart of every fucking cell phone We own we can't even give these motherfuckers the cheap Android phones They don't have any phones. They didn't have electricity. That's what he's telling telling us It's like a very, very, very small percentage of the Congo even has electricity. And these people that live in the mines, they're too poor for or that work in the mines, they're too poor for any of that.

27:29I'm working on this new bit now about how, you know, about how many steps do you how many steps need to be between you and the atrocity for you to move on with your life. Right. You know, that's a good bit. It's like, yeah, it's like as long as like like I'm not getting my phone from them. That would make me feel bad. Right. Well, think about all the people that are active on their phone doing what they think is social justice. Exactly. It's crazy. And you're on a phone that's literally at the bottom of the supply chain is slaves. Dude, I have a thing for you, Joe. Speaking of which, what do you think this headline is about? Okay. This is what we do on my podcast, by the way. I used the cough button for the right reason. How about that? Woman with Down syndrome loses court of appeal abortion law case. So what do you think that's about? I would say someone is forcing her to get an abortion. Okay.

28:31And she loses the lawsuit. Right, because that's what a reasonable person would think. Right. No, no, no, no. What is it? What it's about is, so this is in England. Their abortion law is pretty much the same as Texas. and really um it's pretty close weeks no it's not six weeks but it's like there there's an exception for there's an exception for um you know the rape and incest and if there's going to be a severe birth defect and as a and as a specific example they use down syndrome in the in the law And this woman wants to repeal the law because she has Down syndrome and making that an exception means makes her less than Hmm, so she wants so if your baby's about to be the woman Down syndrome in the UK you can have an abortion You know, it's like what what where do you decide? Birth defects end right? So what if your child is born with only one hand? You know what I'm saying?

29:34Well, it's all stuff that they can— What if your child's born like Zion Clark? Well, they can tell genetically beforehand. I don't know if they can—well, maybe they can. I think they can tell a lot. Yeah, yeah. I think they can tell a lot about your development. If someone decides that—I mean, you could get real crazy with that, right? Yeah. People are capable of some very dark justifications. Like, look at what they were doing in China. the one child policy in china there was horror stories about people killing their their babies that are girls so they have one kid i don't know how many of them were folklore you know those are those things that people would tell you you just like you know they drown their babies right right right you know like the spartans they just throw them off a cliff yeah they drown their girls like

30:20jesus is that how much is that is that real do they really i mean if you can imagine it some horrific thing someone has done it because that because it's also crazy because like what you can't have is a country of just men you can't no no no no as much as we talk and like complain about women it's like we still need them to be you know like we need we need that feminine energy to balance out because you've seen what well you see what happens when men when it's just men left to their devices and there's no women that that's in that gets crazy it's not good no and also if there's not enough females to match with the heterosexual males like you don't even have a chance right right it's like if you're a guy like if you're a guy already the for the you know everyone wants to talk about like you know uh the benefits of being a guy and there are benefits to

31:12being a guy but one of the negative effects of being a guy that people don't talk about is guys that are unattractive and don't have any money they are unheard and unseen unattractive guys With no money they are they're in a very strange position in our society And like Andrew Tate as much as people hate him talked about that He's like it's a very small percentage of guys that that have all the money and all the women and all the you know The fucking Ferraris and all that shit. He's like to to say that that's men that's representative of men is insane Because it is such a small percentage now are they you know if it's a guy like that He's got like diamond-crusted watches and he's fucking flashing and he's blinging and he's you know taking pictures with all these girls It's obnoxious people everybody else gets upset about it

32:00But one of the reasons why they get upset about it is because they know how inaccessible that is yeah For most people it's completely impossible and women don't like to hear that, but it's like the This and in a lot of situations the ceiling is capped for women, right? But the but the floor is also capped, you know, it's like I ain't never seen a homeless bad bitch Not one time. Yeah, but if they're not a bad bitch. See, like if you're a guy, like even if you're a hot guy, you could still be poor and broke and no one's marrying you. Oh, yeah. Remember the one guy that Miley Cyrus like rescued? Like he was homeless and she like took him on a date to the award show or something. It's like, yeah, he was on the street. But you've never seen a girl that could be a model on the street. That's maybe true. Because there's always some dude that's willing to take care of you.

32:49There's a lot of pretty prostitutes, man. Yeah, yeah. Some people go through some horrible shit in their life, even if they're attractive. They're in the wrong situation, the wrong abuse at home. Or they got schizophrenia or something. Yes, yes. Mental health is... Men, too. Like a hot guy with schizophrenia. What a disaster. Wasted all those genes on a wacky brain. I forget what rapper said, but he's like a fat ass on a nun. was that who was that chino excel oh that's funny he said you he said you're a worthless waste of flesh like a fat ass on a nun that's funny that's some cold shit to say that is very cold yeah but it's like yeah it's it's kind of it's it's it's sad man and it but i i'm not sure if the world is worse because every you know the media wants you to believe that like everything's horrible no the world's better statistically right right right and and i know people are doing bad

33:45worse now relative to how they were doing a few years ago yes but we all but we all just went the whole globe went through the same shit well it's yeah it's you can't shut a country down now we know now we know you can't do that but you know there's a lot of people that want to claim that they had the solution to that no one knew what the fuck was going on in the beginning the way it was handled was definitely bad but in the beginning no one knew what the fuck to do we We were all in favor of the lockdown at first because we all thought it was going to work, except for like virologists and epidemiologists who thought that it didn't matter and it was just going to spread no matter what you did. Well, what blows my mind is that I feel like we're going to make the same mistake again. We might.

34:28Well, there's people that want to put the masks back on for RSV and for the flu and for all these different things we never wore a mask for before. And then there's all this evidence that kids' immune system function is not working as good because they didn't get exposed to anything for all those times when they were isolated. What about that fungal shit? You heard about that? Fungal shit. There's like some fungal shit that was like spreading in Vegas. Now it's everywhere. What is it? It's some shit you can breathe. It's a fungus that you can breathe in. Oh, no. And it fucks some people up. Imagine if it got you high. Imagine if it was like psilocybin fungus that you could breathe in, and there's like a whole town of people just tripping balls. That reminds me of like, I don't know if it was an Outer Limits episode or something, but it was like some shit was going around the world fucking people up.

35:12And it was making like this. It was making their skin like copper almost. And then all the medical people were fighting on it and lockdowns and everything. And at the end, they realized that it was preparing everyone's skin because the sun was about to go turn into a white dwarf or whatever the fuck or a red giant. And it was basically aliens saving us. They introduced a virus that changed our skin so we could withstand the extra radiation. Oh, wow. I know, man. I've always wondered if that's why aliens have those big black eyes. One of those eyes are like, if those things are like sunglasses. It's like their environment gets so fucked that, you know, they need to be shielded from ultraviolet rays. They can't see normally. So they're like. See, I would love to do that. What if we got, because you know enough smart people, like if we got together and tried to like re-engineer the human body.

36:05They're going to do that. They're doing that right now. There's a thing called, do you know what CRISPR is? Oh, yeah, yeah. The gene splicing thing? Yeah. That's. Wild shit. That's some crazy shit. Wild shit. They're going to make Thors and Hulks. People are going to be able to run 500 miles an hour. Remember Gattaca? Yes, yeah. Yeah, and it's like, yo, you're not going to have a choice. People are like, I'm not going to edit my kids. Yes, you are. Yeah, you're going to. Yes, you are. Because you can't afford to not see. It'll be a new thing. It'll just be like vaccinating your kids. It'll be like things that everybody does. It'll be like bringing your kid to the doctor for a checkup, having a baby in a hospital. It'll be normal. whoever's Kim Kardashian in 2045 as soon as they pump out a super baby you know what I mean yeah like can you imagine like getting like John Jones's you know mother's genes

36:56and mixing them with like uh uh Francis and Ghanu and oh my god yeah yeah and just having like what are you gonna do you're gonna make your baby be still be 5'6 yeah when everybody's baby's 6'2 and just yoked well what about um In intellect one of the things that they did in China was they said that they were doing this thing to It was like to inoculate them from HIV that was the pretense But what it really did was make them smarter and this doctor wound up I think they just put the doctor in jail to like say oh, I can't even believe he was doing this put him in jail You know the dude probably was they probably told him to do it. They did this to everyone. No, no They did it to a couple guys They did how many people did they do that to I think it's Two twin girls it's two tooting girls. Sorry girls But I don't know how they know How old how long ago was this?

37:56I think we've gone over this let me try to figure out how they knew that their IQ was higher I think the what they did with editing had something to do with cognitive function And they think that what they did what you don't have to put that on the ground if you don't want to I was like hide the logo was these money on it's a uptime what is it it's some kind of fucking energy drink energy drink yeah I drink it all time good stuff what's it called again up time up time yeah all right um so what's the deal how do they know these guys are smarter I'm trying to figure girls excuse me so CCR 5g is related to major brain functions you might have done some kind of human That's what it is. By two intelligent human beings with better memory. So they did it to them in the womb? They did it to them as embryos? When did they do it? I don't know. I've got to find a different article. I'm reading a study on it.

38:52Okay. But the whole point is they've already started doing stuff like that. And so if they can do that with the mind, you know, imagine we all get Elon Musk's brain. Oh, yeah. Would you want it? No, not his. Like if I'm picking my geniuses? Right. No, he's too emotional. I would probably go with probably like a Sam Harris. Dude, I think they're all emotional. I think most Gene and Sam's brilliant too. But, I mean, people are human beings. Human beings are emotional. No, I'm just saying there's different kinds of intelligence. Well, he engages. You know, that's the thing. These guys, they engage with people online. When you engage online, like, your emotions are going to get beat up. Even if they're strong. Even if they're strong, your emotions are going to go on a run. You're going to utilize a certain amount of your resources on those emotions.

39:41Well, I used to I went I went because my producer doesn't like Elon Musk and we argue about it all the time. But because what doesn't he like about him? He's just a hardcore lefty. So, you know, Elon is, you know, I don't want to speak, put words in his mouth, but it's like to him, Elon is what's wrong with everything. but but i i was i'm one of those people where i'm like i i try as my best to be neutral with people like him because he's one of those people that's so polarizing that like when when people don't like you like the way they don't like him they anything negative about you they just believe it well it's always for people like that it's always good to try to engage them as calmly as possible and not to not even to pick a side just you kind of want to steel man their position

40:29Right like if someone is very very emotional you almost want to ask them. Okay. Tell me what you think and why you think this way and then they tell you what they think and then you could say Is have you ever considered or did you know that this I see what you're saying. I agree with what you're saying Like you almost like want to say I see your points. I understand what you're saying Right. But human beings are extremely nuanced. And you could narrow a guy like Elon down to like a very dismissible box, like very easily because he tweets at people and he says ridiculous shit and he trolls and he has fun. He put a picture of fucking Bill Gates up next to a pregnant man emoji and said, if you want to lose a boner real quick. No. I mean that shit is hilarious. Who the fuck does that? He put a he put a poll up saying like yo should I step down a CEO?

41:22Yeah and they said yes so he's looking for a CEO. I hope he picks Lex. Well Lex offered to do it. Lex is a brilliant engineer. I don't know if he wants to be a CEO. A chief executive officer that's what that is right? Do you think he was bullshitting when he offered? I don't know if that's what he's offering. He might have been offering to take it over from an engineering perspective Okay, you know because that would like change what he does and if he did do something like that I think he'd be I think Lex is a brilliant man and he would be great at anything He puts his mind to he's one of the best interviewers in the game his podcast is sensational and he's so brilliant I mean he you used to work on AI at MIT and he you know He writes code for artificial intelligence when I first came down here I didn't know who he was but I remember he was hanging out

42:13He was hanging out with you and like all the comics and blah blah blah and you could just just the way he was sitting in the corner Like this motherfucker is different. Yeah. Yeah, Brazilian Jiu-jitsu black belt shreds on the guitar genius like a certifiable genius and he's Ultimately like very curious and very kind. He's a very kind person and he says it all That's like he's always talking about treating people with love. Yeah, and he'll talk to anybody man He'll talk to anyone and he had Kanye on early when everybody was like, oh my god Kanye's lost his fucking mind Lex is like let me let him come on long-form and express himself Yeah, and in a way that's like a death knell because it's like once he once you talk to him and you still on that shit It's like there's no one that's gonna treat you with more kindness and more objectivity Yeah, no more than Lex. Yeah. Yeah, no, he's great at it.

43:04But see, the problem is, like, if he went and became the CEO of Twitter, I feel like we wouldn't have as much of that Lex anymore. He wouldn't be able to do those podcasts and do that. But I know he likes working hard, man. He's one of those crazy dudes that enjoys, like, 100-hour work weeks. He likes dedicating himself to things. Bro, I don't have that gene. He's got a different gene. I don't have that. Well, he doesn't have the stand-up gene, I don't think. I mean, maybe he could probably do it. He could do it if he thought about it. If he thought about it long enough. You think he could do stand-up? 100%. Yeah. Really smart people could, Elon could do it 100%. Just the fact that he would write that, if you want to lose a boner real quick, a picture of Bill Gates next to a pregnant man emoji. See, but I disagree. Listen, you did it. You sucked from the beginning. I'm not saying he'd be good.

43:51Yeah, but being funny is just one part of it, right? But the live performing thing, that's the hard part. There's a lot to that, for sure. But there's people that are really funny that aren't that good at live performing. Yeah, they're writers. Yeah, but they write and they go on stage sometimes and kill. Oh, yeah, you're right. There's certain guys that we know that are really good joke writers. They're not the most charismatic on stage. The only people that I think absolutely can't do it are people that are just not funny at all. Right. Because I know people that think they can do it. And I think, like, you've never made anyone laugh. Like, you've never made me laugh in the whole time I've known you. You can't do stand-up. Well, some people, like, severely, like, we all lack self-awareness, like, complete objectivity. But some people just have zero. They just don't know, you know, they just don't.

44:50It's almost like some people are just born hard of hearing. their ears don't work well yeah some people are born and they just whatever the fuck it is about personality and it's like people that are tone deaf yeah it's like they think they can sing and they don't hear it they don't hear it how horrible it is but that's they're just it's the same kind of person it's like there's there's delusional people their there's their brains not working right yeah i think that that comes from like you you have to that's why who who is around you is so important in a lot of ways it's the look of the draw a lot of ways like if you're in the middle of nowhere you know little rock arkansas you want to do stand-up i don't know how many dudes are there that are really good yeah right you're in hartford connecticut you want to stand up just

45:33somebody somebody that love you enough to tell you the truth they're like hey man this ain't you shouldn't do this you know yeah but you can't listen to all those people yeah yeah you're right my mom told me i wasn't funny oh well yeah my family though i don't know what they think i think They they they recognize that other people think I'm funny. Well, they know you're killing yeah They have to hear the laughs but but I think it's hard for people that have that knew you when you weren't this Yes to see you as the way they look at other big-name people That's why it's really hard when you start off as an open-miker in a city And then they always think of you as that guy who sucked and then you go on and you get better And you you have to like come back as a headliner You got to come back when you're undeniable like somebody like you know that that whole bit

46:18that Chappelle has about how his kid wanted to really meet Kevin Hart, you know? And it's like, it's like, cause to, to, to his kids, he's just dad. Right. Right. Right. He ain't the funniest motherfucker on the planet. You know what I mean? Right. Right. Right. It's like people that know you a certain way, that's hard for them to knock you out of it. Well, at least they've known him as dad. He's always been Dave Chappelle. What if they knew him as dad, the open miker? Oh yeah. That's a different animal. See, by the time he had children, you know, he was already Dave Chappelle. yeah you know it's if you're if you're an open miker and you're in a town and they watch you eat shit the first time you ever get on stage you got notes and shit they're always going to remember that they saw they probably saw you bomb 20 times i remember like i was talking to um to bert's

47:04bert's uh family and it's like his kids don't even watch him they they're completely uninterested they get plenty of him he's at home yeah yeah he's there all the time i was there when they first saw him tell the machine story. Wow. They weren't allowed to see it until they were like a certain age. And it's crazy. They would be completely not even curious to like look up all this stuff. That makes sense though. Yeah, it makes sense. Because I don't have kids so I don't understand. But now I do. You know? To them, I never gave a fuck what my dad was doing when he was gone. Right. He's just your dad. That's an interesting comparison but I think it's even more extreme. when someone sees you as a beginner in something. That's the thing with martial arts, too. Sometimes someone's a white belt, and you always think of them as that person you used to crush when they were a white belt.

47:54And then all of a sudden, they're a purple belt, and you're in fucking danger. And they wrap your ass in. Yeah, you're in danger. You're like, oh, no, you got a lot better. Fuck. See, jiu-jitsu intimidates me. But I need to pick something up. I think I'm going to do boxing. Why don't you do jiu-jitsu? I don't know. I can't. Because I wrestled for my freshman year of high school, and I hated it. It's hard. Yeah, it's constantly hard. It doesn't stop being hard. Wrestlers are some of the mentally strongest people in the world. Just to get through the practices and the drills and all the live rounds, the live wrestling, and then to go to meets and to make weight the day of the match, And the shit that those guys go through, the way they cut weight, the mental strength that wrestlers have off the charts. They're masters at focusing while they're suffering.

48:52Whereas the average person will be suffering and 90% of their brain power will be focused on how much it sucks. And wrestlers learn how to just ignore it and completely focus while they're in pain, when they can't breathe. They have a phrase for it. It's called embrace the grind. Yeah, because I've been there. It's like if you've never had a motherfucker on top of you that you can't get off you, you don't understand what I'm talking about. Because, look, I'll never forget one. This is what made me quit wrestling. I showed up at this. It was our school hosting a tournament. And I got my brother to come. And, you know, my family didn't give a fuck about wrestling. But he came to watch. And I was going up against this other. It was my turn to go against this other dude. and I walked in and this motherfucker's got he's got some kind of tubes or some shit coming out of him like he's on some kind of

49:44I don't know a heart thing or something and no one gave me any guidance no one gave me a heads up I didn't know if I was allowed to grab it like would he die if I pulled it up none of that shit no one said anything to me and I'm but I'm like okay it's fine my brother's watching I'm just gonna fuck this dude up he's crippled or something right that's what that's how I was thinking back then and as soon as the ref blew the whistle. I've never seen a motherfucker move this fast. He dove at my ankle and tripped me and was on my back and we rolled out of bounds and the ref blew the whistle and he dove at my ankle. He did it like five times in a row. Just lightning fucked me up and I threw my headset off and I got Dr. Point and I was like, fuck that and I walked out of the gym. Wow. Because my you know, because it was the first time anyone come to watch me and I got just embarrassed and I couldn't handle it. Oh no.

50:34Yeah, never wrestled after that. If you get in there with someone who's really good at something and you're not you just realize right away You're like, oh no, like I can't think as quick as you're moving. I'm not I can't keep the rhythm I don't know what you're doing before you're doing it And then you're doing another thing because you anticipate my counter to that thing and then you've chained another thing together And now I'm on my back again. Yeah, it's like you're in trouble like if you don't yeah And honestly it came down because there was a war between our coach and our assistant coach and because our coach would focus on technique and drilling and stuff like that and our assistant coach wanted us just in the weight room because he's like if you're stronger you you'll win you know and the the assistant coach won out because you know all these people are volunteers

51:19and the coach ended up leaving and we the assistant the strength guy was in and he you know it's like no motherfucker i needed to know what to do when somebody dives at your ankle with you know with the speed of of usain bolt or whatever you know yeah some if you know technique Then strength is important but strength is not as important as technique no technique is the most important thing by far If you look at how the Russians did it That's one of the things that's interesting about George St. Pierre because George St. Pierre was one of the very best wrestlers in MMA But he didn't wrestle in high school or college. He's from Canada and Where he was where he was from he he didn't engage in wrestling He learned wrestling from the Russian nationals that had moved to Montreal. So he learned it as a martial art as an adult

52:04As an adult. Wow. And look how good he got because their shit was very very technical The Russians are always known to be very technical and they do a lot of drilling because they're they don't there's not like an ego-based system, right? The system is about success like what's the best way to achieve success? It's like it's like you don't have a choice. This is Soviet Union, right? You shut the fuck up and this is what you're gonna do like yeah I mean, there's no Billy does it his own way. There's none of that. This is not the culture. The culture is like figure out what and suffer and what's the best way to do. Do what you don't want to do, which is drill. That's the same thing with jujitsu, too. If you want to get really good, you like a guy like Mikey Musumechi. He drills all day. Yeah, I'm a Ryan. Those guys drill all day. They drill constantly.

52:52The more you drill, the more it's like tying the shoes and the more of those things you can add to your repertoire, the better you are. Like those guys that get to a point where you don't it doesn't matter how strong you are You don't know what to do with your strength You're helpless because you're in bad. You're like Like your your arm doesn't work strong that way. They're behind you Like you're you're fighting an arm around your neck you're fucked when I and and then and then you watch some of the some of the Shit they pull off Or just just you know where where it's like you have to slow it down to see exactly what they did Like, how the fuck did he get on his back? Yeah, Mikey did that in 1FC. There's this back take that he had that's so brilliant. I made a bunch of people watch it. I'm like, watch this. Watch how slick this back take is. Are you going to play it? Yeah, we could find it.

53:39Mikey Misumechi's slick back take in 1FC. It was beautiful. Yeah, he's a genius. He's brilliant. His whole family dangerous. Yeah, his sister's dangerous, too. Yeah, the sister just did something. I forget what. She's a black belt, too. Yeah, she just won a tournament somewhere. I'm sure. Yeah. She's his sister. She's probably an assassin. But I remember the first time I ever saw him, I saw him live in Austin when they were doing that Who's Number One thing. And it was him and this other dude that were grappling. And the other dude was, like, ripped, and he had fucking shaved head and tattoos and shit. Oh, yeah, this is it. And I'm like, I'll take the guy with the glasses. I'm like, watch this back take. And this is against Iminari, who's super legit. Look at that back take. He stepped over with one leg. Show that one more time. Watch how he did this.

54:28If you don't know jiu-jitsu, he's in sort of side control here. But look at that. He got to his back so quickly. It was so slick. And all of a sudden, Imanari's trapped. I mean, this is absolute beautiful precision movement. And that's something he's drilled like a thousand times, I'm sure. And Imanari's like one of the goats. Oh, yeah. He's a legend. Imanari's like they created a role after him, like the Imanari role. It's called the Imanari role. there's also um an imunari submission from an omoplata it's like you got a guy on a shoulder lock and you reach under the chin with an s grip and you submit them from the back maybe i will try some jiu-jitsu yeah that's right because you know what motherfuckers is getting more dangerous it's like comedy you're gonna suck and then you're gonna get better yeah that's what it's like but

55:16unlike comedy anybody can get better at jiu-jitsu yes oh yeah yeah anybody can get better at jiu-jitsu Yeah, some of the stupidest people in the world are good at Jiu-Jitsu You just need to drill it but it's a different kind of intelligence You know, it's it's a different kind of you you have more You know like some people have a lot of access to information in like the definition of words History they can pull up and tell you about it's very very impressive and some people have a wide library of physical movements Yeah, they could pull up. It's like a reflex like it's like you know intelligence You ever have like a like a bug on you you just what I'm even thinking about it It's like some people have that like they they feel you feel your thigh on their knee in a certain way and they just Snap and you're fucking dead. They just know what you're gonna do to it. So they've done

56:02They've rolled so many times and they have such a deep understanding of what's possible with the human body where the leverage points are Jiu-jitsu is so technical people think of it as being like this brutish thing where people just like Choke each other and shit, but it's you see like a guy like Mikey. He's not a brute at all It's you just is super super technical. Why do you think Sambo is in war? Well, that's interesting. He said that because Gordon Ryan just said that he thinks that combat Sambo is actually better for MMA than jiu-jitsu is which he's got it He's got some real good points like if anybody knows it's Gordon and the guys that are really good in combat Sambo like Khabib and Islam Makhchev who's the UFC lightweight champion right now. He's a fucking animal and he's a combat Sambo guy Yeah.

56:48There's a lot of those combat Sambo guys where, you know, they're really good at controlling people from the top position, which, you know, arguably when you add in punches and elbows and stuff like that, that's more important than anything. Yeah. And they can submit you too. Because it feels like whatever the answer to Khabib is, the next generation is going to come up with doing that as like natural, right? Well, they're going to encounter guys like that, and they're going to try to figure out counters to it. Or they're going to get better at what they're doing, that combat soundball style, and they'll get better at it and incorporate other things to it. But Khabib's done that, too. You just don't see it as much. Like when he submitted Justin Gaethje, he submitted him with a mounted triangle, and then he finished him off of his back and put him to sleep.

57:38Like he can do all those other things, too. That was his last match. That was his last match. Yeah, yeah. But he almost got Dustin at the end of the first round and then finally submitted him in the second round. But it was brilliant. But it was as good as you'll ever see an elite Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt do it. So he can do that, too. He can submit you off his back, too. But that pressure, that top pressure, the ability to take guys down and control them and beat the fuck out of them. Smash, what he calls it. By the way, side note, Paige Van Zandt tweeted that she was single yesterday. Oh, no. Just in case I was wondering. Is she tweeting stuff like that? She tweeted, and I'm seconded. Imagine the amount of dick pics that must be coming that lady's way. It must be like locust. Right. But it's like, the thing is, you got to be able to beat her to qualify. She's not fucking a dude weakening her. No.

58:30You remember those videos you'd see of Kansas in the 1950s when a locust would hit? You can't even get to your car? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's probably what the dick pics are like coming at Paige Van Zandt. Must be unstoppable. I mean, it was probably like that beforehand. Like, it was probably pretty bad beforehand, but now she's like, I'm single, everybody. Well, she just put the bat signal up. Right, right. If she said I'm single, and she said I'm single on fucking social media. I'm like, yeah, just get on one of the maps to get on Hinge or Raya. She doesn't have to do that. No? No, just filter through those DMs. Do they have a dating app just for fighters? That's a good question. There's not enough of them. No? It's so hard to become a fighter. I guess that's true. Yeah. And to find female fighters? Oh, my God. Good luck. She might have been kidding. Oh, just joking around? Yeah, there's tweets she was doing to,

59:21it had to do with the football player quarterback for the... Oh! She's joking. Okay. Like, if they did good, her husband would like that or something like that. And then they won, so she says, am I single now? Oh, that's fine. Sorry, Paige. So it's just a joke. but see a lot of motherfuckers like me she still got those dick pics of course if she said it in a chain of tweets but that one was by itself an individual tweet most people like us just read that one and be like yes you know many dudes who don't have a shot are like fuck yeah she's free some guys that like if they're following a porn star and they find out the porn star is married they get mad I'd like, oh. Right, right. Like you had a chance. But you know what? A lot of porn stars will fuck a fan from time to time. Oh, that's sweet. Like as a promo thing. Yeah. They'll put it up. Hey, hey, meet up with my fan. Fuck him. That's sweet.

60:18Yeah, that is kind of thoughtful. Very thoughtful. It's like you're using your powers for good. Yeah, for good. Yeah. Nice. Very charitable. Yeah. Charity fuck. Yeah, she probably stopped a school shooter or something. How fast do those guys nut? Oh, probably a medium. As soon as they touch it. because the other thing too is like porn stars know how to take away all the insecurity and all of that so you're like you because obviously those guys are coming in nervous right and they're literally filming it those poor guys must fall in love so hard oh of course of course how's that yeah yeah definitely can you imagine never really getting laid and then all of a sudden the girl you've been fantasizing about will fuck you and you and it's on tape and it's your first one. That's your first one. The lady you've been jacking off to for the past five years. Even though I never believe that someone's a virgin.

61:13You don't believe it? I don't believe that. They might have been a virgin when they flew in, but their first time wasn't on camera. You don't think so? She probably gave them a handy off camera and then was like... But what if they can't get it up a second time? What if they've been beating off all day like a maniac? Oh, well, the porn industry has a solution for all that. Like a needle in your dick? They'll inject you something. they'll give you a pill. If you don't believe it, Tom Segura has a list of videos I think he can show you that can give you examples of this. Of them shooting? No, there's just a website I know of that he knows of that it's like porn bloopers where all sorts of stuff that doesn't make it on to the normal videos. Oh, yeah. It's like the cutting room floor scenes. See, I don't like porn bloopers. To me, it reminded me of when you remember growing up how the comedy

62:00TV shows were like, Family Mad is full how these shows you're watching, how every now and then they would do a serious episode that would tell you to stay off drugs or some shit. I hated that. I didn't come here for that. I ain't watching porn for laughs. I'm trying to beat my dick and keep it moving. I don't want to watch or it's like when they break character. I hate it when they giggle. Don't have fun. Don't have fun. You're there for serious fucking elements. Thankfully for you, there's a lot of categories. Is there anything on earth with more variety to choose from than porn? Is that like the most – if you think about like if you looked at each individual clip that's available online as one individual piece of work, is there more porn than any other kind of content? Yeah. The only exception – the only thing that could even come close to hanging with porn is cat videos. What about TikToks now?

63:00TikToks are probably closing in. TikTok is everything on the internet is mostly porn and cats. It's true. There's a lot of puppy stuff too. Yeah. Yeah. That's what drives tech. Porn drives tech. It's like the unspoken secret. It really does. It drives innovation in terms of like that's it drove streaming. VCRs wouldn't have existed if porn videos weren't getting sold everywhere. If Betamax is one, everybody would have had a Betamax player. Who streamed 4K first? Porn. Did they? Yeah. Porn was first with the 4K. Porn porn proliferated like the VR stuff. You know, it's interesting like Industries get bailed out Like when things happen they collapse because people say well, we can't afford to let this industry Die off like the banking industry everybody would lose their money We can't we can't do that like other industries have been bailed out too when things go wrong

63:50but when even like people complained about the music industry remember when Napster came along oh, yeah Everybody was so upset. So upset. About Napster? Yeah. Because all of a sudden people are just taking their content for free. But that happened to the porn industry. No one said shit. Tough shit. Yeah. It's like everyone's pretending they don't use it. But they flipped it. They figured out how to bring it back around. Because now a lot of porn, what they'll do is, you know, they'll give you almost a whole video. And they'll cut it off at the cum shot. They're like, if you want to see the rest of this. Well, they'll get more traffic than they would without it, but still more people are going to watch it for free. But I guess it's just like one of those things. You catch as many fish as you can, so I'm going to get out of the net. How much money do you think was spent on OnlyFans last year?

64:37How much money was spent by fans? Users spent on the platform last year. I'm going to say over a billion dollars. It's definitely over a billion dollars. I'm going to say three billion. Still higher. What? What? I mean, I'm not surprised. I'm surprised. Really? That's crazy four point eight billion dollars One year and remember what Jamie you were talking about this yesterday like are we gonna reach a future where every girls only Why wouldn't young if you're 16 and they're like college? Where you gonna go $200,000 in debt? Oh, yeah, dude, I know I have do you want $200,000 in four years? What is your job like what if you get a job out of college? Hangin sucks. No job. It sucks. That's why I like that money and on college any woman that is remotely good-looking that's complaining about not having any money? I'm like, you just... Yeah, but they don't want to do that.

65:29There's a lot of girls that don't want that. I understand that, but if push come to shove... Because nobody wants... Listen, nobody wants to be a whore. There's also the line that we dug... Or maybe someone else did. The bad baby, the girl from Dr. Phil's show, she barely is showing anything. And she makes almost the most money of anyone. Right, but she's wicked famous. Is that the case with most of the girls that are making a lot of money? How much is a lot of money? That's the next arguable point. Like, how much money do you need? Or there's some couples, like a couple do it. Like, they fuck on camera. They cut their heads off. Right. And they just pay their bills. Right. They frame their heads out. Right. And they just fuck. It's like a push come to shove. It's like a decent proposal. Right? You remember that movie? Mm-hmm. It's like, yo, babe, this dude wants to fuck you and it'll pay off our house in Sinatra

66:15is the college. One time. And I know you don't want to be a whore, but let's at least talk about it. You know like most women would be like absolutely not but it's like okay wait a minute now Look, we're gonna pay off the house, babe What do you think would happen if prostitution was completely legal? Well, I think well first of all, I mean it would make it safer for the sex workers 100% because you said it's one of those things that everyone pretends like doesn't exist They don't do or they don't participate in everyone watches porn At least at least every man watches porn Well, there's a lot of men who have sworn off of it because they realize they had a problem with it Yeah, a lot of people talk about that now. There's like a no porn movement amongst some guys because porn I think for a lot of people is like gambling

66:58You know some people just get addicted and they're on it all the time and it frames the way they think about sex and then some people They just decide because of that. I'm I'd rather just have none no porn Yeah, I have a few friends that did that like they don't watch porn. It's not a bad move But it's nice to know it's there It's always going to be there For other people It's the gambling argument too Even less so because everybody Has sexual urges for the most part Not everybody has gambling urges One of the things I had to argue against I had a debate thing in college I had to argue against I had to argue that porn was not harm Because it was a big move Porn, its existence Is harmful to women Or that all the women in it Are being exploited And to some degree, that's true. But most of that is because, like you said, if prostitution was legal, it would cut back on all the exploitation.

67:54The thing is you can't make it illegal because you can't take away a person's right to do whatever they want to do. Like those couples, those couples that cut their heads off, like they frame their heads out so you don't see them. That's 100 percent up to them. You can't tell them they can't do that. What about selling your body? Because I think that's – but also, why is it okay to give sex away for free but it's not okay to pay for it? Right. That doesn't make any sense. I mean, it's also okay to pay for it indirectly. Well, it's also okay to pay for massages. Nobody wants to rub your fucking feet. Right. When someone rubs your feet and they get money for it. Like, we allow people to do things they don't want to do that are pleasurable to other people. Well, the thing is, listen, to me, I look at it just like, okay, it's illegal for me to give a politician money directly. Right.

68:41It's also illegal for me to buy them something. Right. Right. But I can't pay a woman for pussy, but I can buy her something for pussy. Well, you can pay her. She just can't report it. Right. Even though you should. Did you know that you can still report illegal stuff to the IRS? They encourage you to do so. Really? There's a form for ill-gotten gains. That's interesting. They don't get you for tax evasion, which is worse. And legally, technically, they can't use it against you. Isn't that how they got Al Capone? That is how they got Al Capone. It's tax eviction. He's not the only one. That's how they got Wesley Snipes. But yeah, but Wesley Snipes wasn't a fucking criminal. Oh, yeah. Wesley Snipes was just an actor who got bad advice. Right, right. Capone never fired a federal income tax return, claiming that he had no taxable income. That's hilarious. That's not untrue, right?

69:37I guess he had no taxable income, right? IRS Special Agent Frank Wilson and the T-Men followed the money gathering evidence that Capone had made millions of dollars on income that was never taxed. Yeah, so that's why the smart ones like the Russians, they open businesses. They buy businesses. Yeah. And they use those businesses to launder money. Yeah, well, the smart rich people will – These are criminals, not like just rich people. Right. We're talking about crime. Ill-gotten gains. And it's like how do you get a paper trail back when it was hardly go paper? Well, he had houses and cars and fucking, you know, Al Capone was a flashy dude. He was old school mafia, John Gotti style. You know, he was the king of Chicago. Yeah. I can't imagine living like that, though. That's a scary way to live. Always looking over your shoulder. You know, always having to be afraid.

70:29Because, you know, the old saying is like, if you're a criminal, you have to get lucky every day. And the cops only got to get lucky once. that you just got to slip up one time and the cop just happened to catch a detail or something, you know? Well, you know the comedy store was owned by the mob. Yeah, when it was Ciro's, right? Yeah. Yeah, I hear that, but it's hard for me to tell because I heard that from the same people that told me it was haunted. It was Bugsy Siegel's. Bugsy Siegel owned the comedy store. Wow. Didn't he make sure that's true? Yeah. Bugsy Siegel owned Ciro's. He at least was one of the owners. Might have been multiple owners. Is that what it was? Something like that. Yeah. Mitzi was originally renting out just the OR. Well, Mitzi took over long after Ciro's was gone, and then another thing came after Ciro's, and then Mitzi took it over after the other thing. Okay. Mitzi and her husband.

71:15So they were never renting it from the mob? I don't believe so. Okay. I think they owned the building. It says it was owned by an entrepreneur, William Wilkerson, but then it says only to have control of the resort rested. Maybe wrestled is what I was supposed to say from him by mobster Bugsy Siegel. Oh, so Bugsy Siegel took it from him. He stole it. That probably happened all the time. Do you want to die? Do you want to just give me your club? You can open up another club, stupid. Yeah, you can have it. Yeah, they just would do that just to flex. Just to take shit from you? Just to take shit from you. What are you going to do? You can't do anything. There's nothing you can do. Nothing you can do. They'll kill you. Well, back then they owned the police. They owned everybody. I mean, when there was no real, like, no one was filming things. Like, there was no DNA evidence. Yeah. Come on, man. They just ran shit.

72:03That's back when you could just go to jail from a hunch. Do you know how many people are buried in the Nevada desert? Look how they find these people in Lake Mead. As Lake Mead dries up. Oh, yeah. They're finding all these dead bodies. They found six dead bodies down there. And some of them are people that drowned. One of them was a guy who drowned saving his son. And his son remembered it. Oh, man. And his son's like a grown adult now. And it's, like, scary. But that's a great way to remember your dad. I guess. Yeah, your dad saved your fucking life. I mean, there's worse ways. There's worse ways. But there's quite a few people Probably that they haven't found In Lake Mead that just got fucking shot And dumped there One guy was dressed like from the 1970s They found him in a barrel You know what they probably found a lot of motherfuckers If they demolished one of them casinos Oh yeah under the cement For sure

72:51There's a lot of bodies down there For sure they did that just for a goof That's what Mikey is that cocksucker That fucking rat we buried him right here For sure Do you think the mob still exists? 100%. Just not as powerful? Well, they probably have learned from their mistakes. You know, they probably do it in a way that's a little bit more clever. Right, yeah. Like, the problem with the way John Gotti did it, like, that was, like, when people think about the mob, they think of John Gotti. He'd walk around in those expensive suits and shit. The problem with that is, like, he was in front of everybody's face. Like, everybody knew it. Whereas like Vincent the Chin Gigante, he would walk around in a bathrobe like he was crazy and he would talk to himself. He'd walk around the neighborhood like he was schizophrenic. And that was his hustle. That's how he would like they would say he's running the mob.

73:38They're like, what, this crazy guy walking around like he's talking to himself? That's hilarious. The way they caught him is they put microphones. They knew the way he walked, the route. So they put microphones. They parked their own cars there and put microphones in all these different cars. So as he walked by, they could record all the different shit that he was saying. Damn. So he's ordering hits. I thought he was going to be like, they did it with bees or like hornets. And as soon as one get in his face, like, motherfucker. Like he just started talking straight. Normally. Son of a bitch, who the fuck? Have you ever seen that video of the dude who's a newscaster, this black guy? Oh, yeah. That's one of the OG classic. That's one of the classic videos. He's got the full broadcaster voice going. Motherfucker! It's hilarious. On that Thursday here at Augusta High School that led to Chris Wood's death.

74:29What the fuck is that? Shit! Ah! It's amazing. It's one of the best things on the internet ever. It's amazing. But here's the thing. It's like, why can't someone just be themselves and tell you the fucking news? If that's who that guy really is, why do I need him to pretend that he is neutral broadcast voice man? I don't know why. I don't know where the broadcast voice came. Oh, actually, you know what? I have a theory, and I might be right about this. I think it came from when microphones weren't as good, and you had to enunciate for the whole. Very clearly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because when I was in the service, we had to be like, we had to say over the radio, we had to say numbers a certain way. Like five was fife. Like you had to say it like that so that it got through. Crackles and shit. So I'm guessing that came from those times when, but I don't know.

75:27It might have also come from the theater where you had to talk really loud because there's people in the back of the room where there was no microphone. So the earliest performances, like live performances, were theaters probably. or when someone was speaking in front of a large group of people. And when you're speaking in front of a large group of people, you have to talk like this so they can hear you. Well, I wonder, I'm sure somebody will hit me up. Somebody email me and tell me the answer. Your recording equipment has something to do with it. Yeah? Yes. Why do they still do it? What about the way they used to act in the old, old movies where they overacted? Oh, that voice was, so a lot of things we do that don't make sense, it was just fuck the english yeah so like like the reason we spell certain words differently and

76:14and all that is like we that was on purpose it didn't just happen naturally and our our old tv voice was like a it was a counter to their well i think yeah it was yeah it was our version of their fucking highfalutin what they call it over there posh posh it was yeah it was a counter to their poshness we had our own posh voice and it was that fucking early tv voice that's interesting yeah that kind of makes sense because everyone talked like that back then or they tried to yeah and then you've got australian which is like a drunk english oh yeah wasn't you telling me about this no someone told me about this and maybe i told you after they told me no no else told me no it was shane gillis was telling that's right that the uh that the the it was first it was criminals yeah and the babies would see their fathers be drunk and this and the

77:02baby started talking like a drunk like they're drunk English fathers and then that became the Australian accent that's hilarious which I'm not sure if he was a hundred percent sure that was it but that was one of the theories but I'm gonna go with that well it is interesting how accents deviate right it's like who was the first guy to talk like someone from Boston and why did Everybody copy that dude. Yeah, you know the pack your fucking cat get over here. Brian Simpson. What the fuck? You don't have to be it doesn't have to be that far away. No Distinctive Australian accent is the result of a drunken slur Caused by the heavy drinking of the early settlers according to a communications expert from the country. So it's true It's not just about pronunciation vocal quality or timber matters as does Or timber matters as does intonation the way the pitch of the voice rises and falls. Wow.

77:55Vocal quality or timber matters as does intonation. So that's what it is. All right, Mike. It's fucking better. And then New Zealand is right there and it's a completely different. Totally different. Well, also look at the states. You could drive from one state to another state in the United States and they talk differently. Yeah. I used to have a joke about it about California. like people make fun of California accent like I'm sorry we enunciate clearly like California accent is talking like you can hear every word oh right right and even within California well in California there's different accents there's a lot of people that have kind of like a southern accent as you get into those farmlands and shit oh yeah and then think you can go from Vermont to Boston to New York to Philly to D.C. to Georgia to Alabama to Florida and it's all different accents accents, you know? All different.

78:48Well, Florida's a mess, right? Because you got Florida accents, but like, what percentage of Florida is people that move from the East Coast, from the Upper East Coast? A lot. A lot. A lot. A lot. More now than ever before, but even when I lived there, there was a lot of people that came from other places that came to Florida. People would escape the cold. My favorite accent is Louisiana. That's a good accent. New Orleans. Oh, yeah. That's a good accent. Because it's such a, it's a lot of flavor. Jazz. Yeah, yeah. Jazz to it. I like to watch the chefs on social media. Oh, yeah, man. Like, go on there and hit it with your seasoning there now. Yeah, when they're talking about Cajun cuisine, too. Yeah. Or those guys. Or like Punky Johnson. You know Punky? Sure, I know Punky. Yeah, so Punky just, her story's incredible. But she from New Orleans is like, the way she talked to you, it just makes you feel good. Yeah.

79:39We talked about Punky when we were at the O2, remember? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love her. I love Punky. I'm so happy for her. I remember her. So she's on SNL now. But I remember when she first got her big TV thing. And I remember she, I remember watching her on TV while she was working the bar underneath. That's wild. Yeah. A lot of people don't realize, like, there's no big break anymore. It's a bunch of little breaks. Sometimes you get a big break, but you're better off with little breaks. Yeah, because if you got little breaks You could handle a big break a big break will fuck your head up if it happens all the Sun Like that's why I like these 20 year old stars like good luck. Yeah, I feel bad for them. How do you? Even worse is when they're kids. That's the worst growing up a star is like a recipe for mental health problems child abuse It's like there's very few like Jodie Foster

80:31I never talked to her but she seems like she's got her shit together There's very few people that were very famous. And Jodie Foster was in fucking Taxi Driver. Think about that creepy movie. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Think about that creepy movie. She was sexualized when she was very, very young in that movie. Or what happened to the kid from The Professional? Oh, I don't know. I don't know. That movie. That's a heavy fucking movie. This should be one of my favorite movies. But try to watch it now, and it's like, this is. Natalie Portman. Oh, well. Yeah. She's huge. Yeah, that's right. That was her she was really young then what was she how old was she then? Oh my god. She's a little kid Yeah, that's a crazy and she's like flirting with him through the whole movie Right, he doesn't flirt back though, right? No, no, no, no, no. That's okay My kids are allowed to pretend

81:20Yeah, but it was like yeah, I think maybe is it better to be a child star and stay a star or To just do it real quick and leave well depends if you could do it real quick and then find something else that you really enjoy That's great and then be successful that's great. But you remember when Gary Coleman was a security guard Oh, yeah, you had a very good job and people would fuck with him. You ever watch super duper famous and very recognizable Yeah, or you want some whiskey I'm gonna do both actually um you ever uh You ever you ever watch Game of Thrones? Yes. Okay, you know the the Joffrey kid. Yes, he just dipped out Good for him after that. He was like, I don't want to do this anymore. So he's done acting totally I that's the impression I got but bro imagine your first role you have to play the cunt of all cunts

82:09oh yeah and then when you die you get poisoned everybody's happy dude and I hate it here's what's so fucked up I've I've read the books and I'll never forget being in because because you got to understand too in this in this show in the in these books there's no justice so he's the he's the first motherfucker that you hope died that dies everyone else to die before that you're like you like them you don't want them to die but he's the first motherfucker was like so i'm in the middle i'm in the middle of an open mic reading these books someone's on stage and i and i i apologize profusely to this day but when he died i lost my shit i was like yeah in the middle of i'm in the middle of like yeah die motherfucker you know oh that's so crazy i know man i wanted him to die so bad so i hated this motherfucker from the beginning it's like and and he played the role so well, it's hard to...

82:59If I saw him in person... You would think of him as that guy. Well, I mean, initially. A little bit. Yeah, I would try not to treat him that way, but it's still hard. It's like, nah, motherfucker, your face is associated with evil. Right. Well, some guys, they do a role, and that role is them forever. Like Archie Bunker with Carol O'Connor. He was Archie Bunker forever. Yeah, I think what he's going to do... That's him now? Yeah, he just got married. That's Joffrey? Wow. Wow. See, I think he's going to come back as an adult. He looks like a country western star. He looks like some cool guy who plays country western music with Sturgill Simpson. Doesn't he? Doesn't he? Yeah, for sure. He totally does. Like a completely different person. Good for him. Good for him. Stay normal. Look, he's in church and shit. I've got to imagine just psychologically being a kid and playing a very, very hated character.

83:49You don't have any bright moments on stage where people like you. You have nothing to be proud of. Everything you do is horrible and awful. That's my dream, though. Be an evil person? No, to play one. In a movie or a TV show? I want to play a villain in something. I want to play a villain so bad. Interesting. Yeah. Why is that interesting? He giving me the judgmental act? I'm just interested. What about it is appealing to you? I think because there's a part of you that wants to that it's a fantasy it's like there's a part of you that wants to play the villain like when I play when I play like rpg video games whatever if I can if there's a like a dark or night side I always play the dark side yeah so I so maybe it's like that that there's a there's a part of you that wants to Live that fantasy, but I think I just think I would do better

84:45I think it's easier to play a bad guy and I think I would do better at it But you're such a nice guy in real life I'm kind I'm not nice I make that distinction too because I because because I Have to stop myself from being a piece of shit from being mean yeah, yeah That's a natural inclination. Yeah, my first thought is to be me. Do you know that? Jordan Peterson has this whole saying about Becoming hyper competitive, you know that people think that you should be docile and he's like no You should be a monster and then learn how to control it. Yeah, I heard him said I like that Where it's like yeah, just just be ruthlessly ambitious and learn how to reign it in and his take on it is a a strong man is not a dangerous man. A weak man is a dangerous man because they'll fold on you. They have no character. They have no confidence. Like, and also them being kind or them being pacifists,

85:50they don't have an option. Like they, it's like they can't beat people up. They can't do anything. So like them being mean is not, that's not even possible. I think that's what physically, especially I have an aversion to shaky people. you know shaky people are dangerous yeah they'll fall apart or even people that are that are you know kind of chaotic you know fall apart yeah yeah it was like i don't know because i had such a chaotic upbringing and it's like especially men when i meet men that are like unpredictable i'm like i can't fuck with you you might be the best guy you might be a nice guy but like you i need distance from you because you there's no telling what you're gonna do right yeah you're gonna fold right yeah for sure a week because i because i get what he's saying it's like if you're if you're nice because you're weak you're just being nice because you don't have a choice right you know

86:40what i mean somebody that could destroy you that chooses not to is more impressive than somebody that isn't doing harm because they can't yeah it's strength through kindness kindness through strength rather you're you choose to be nice you choose to be like the person who takes the high road and things because you can go either way you know that's why when you see like very famous people going after other famous people or going after someone who's not famous it's always very distasteful because this person is in this unusual position of strength and they don't use it the right way there's like a different obligation you have if you're in an unusual position of strength than a person who's just weak see my my first instinct is to always be suspicious of those people weak people or strong people the people that's people that are trying to destroy people

87:31yeah or it's like where it's like that's their whole thing their whole life is trying to destroy people i'm always suspicious because they always turn out to be a piece of shit right for sure they just want to hurt people if you if you that's where you put your resources in is destroying other people imagine you have so little time in this life like you know like you know how every time every time there's a politician whose whole thing is they hate gays and they always turn out to be right and but people forget that applies to everything if you're vehemently if your whole personality is that you're against something that's always suspicious to me it doesn't always turn out to be the case right but it's very often the case yeah yeah that's like the the male feminist that's secretly a piece of shit oh yeah there's a lot of those guys the gender traitor

88:25male feminists who just want to shoot down other men to make themselves look better there's a lot of that and there's women that do that too or somebody much it's just it's a human inclination to uh try to diminish other people to at least in appearance advance yourself you know but it doesn't really work it's one of those things like name dropping like name dropping doesn't work Like yeah, we're hanging out with Leonardo DiCaprio And Quentin Tarantino Shut the fuck up, nobody wants to hear that You know, like you could tell a story If it's a great story That like, dude, I'm hanging out with Gary Clark Jr. And we're getting high Like that's a great story, it's not even a name drop It's just a factual story, right? But if you're telling people These people that you know, you're dropping names To try to elevate you socially It has the opposite effect It has the opposite effect

89:13Because whoever those people are You're trying to connect yourself to a bad motherfucker, but the way you're doing it lets everyone know you're not a bad motherfucker, nor do you have the character to become one. Right. It's one step down from like, do you know who my father is? It's right there. Yeah. It's kind of the same thing. Or do you know who I am? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Same thing, which I think in certain situations, like if someone tries to pick a fight with Hoist Gracie, it might be justified. Right. He goes, excuse me, do you know who I am? Or like if you're about to go on stage at the O2 Arena and somebody stops you right before you walk on stage. What happened to you? They just didn't. First of all, they were, you know, English folks. They probably don't know too much about Americans. Americans stand up or they probably didn't even know who the fuck I was.

90:01The guy did apologize to me, but I'm never going to stop being so mad. The lady checked my shit. I was trying to go to the bathroom. Do you have a pass? I go, I'm Joe Rogan. Right. This place is sold out. You see how that whole wall has my face on it. Yeah, that's this. Hey, that wall. It's like, come on, lady. I got to take a shit. Let me through. Because, well, you know what it is. For some people, it's just an honest mistake or whatever. Yeah, it was an honest mistake with her. Or they really don't know who you are or whatever. But some people, and this is part of the reason that turned me off from the services. Like some people, you they they use the rules as a shield because even though they know that because because it's one thing like if OK, it's my show at the arena. My name, my pitch is everywhere. I walk up on you. You notice me. You don't recognize me.

90:54You can't see the picture. And then I go, hey, I'm this person. I'm this my show. Now, from that point forward, if you continue to go, yeah, but now you're just an idiot. Right. That's hiding behind the rules because you know that even though what you're doing doesn't make any sense You're protected because you followed the rules. Well, there's also a thing when people have power over you They don't want to relinquish it Even if they just have a little bit of power to keep you from going through somewhere They've already committed to this idea. They're gonna stop you from doing something. You know the Stanford prison experiment I'm somewhat familiar with it, but yeah, I don't know. I think it's been questioned recently So I think there's some doubt about whether or not it made sense the way they did it or whether people played it up.

91:40But what happened was they got these students to pretend to be prison guards and prisoners. And they ran this experiment with the prisoners where they had to listen to the guards. And everybody immediately became a cunt. Treated people like dog shit. And they stopped the experiment early. What was the pushback on that? See if we can find it. They did a movie about it, right? or a documentary about it. I think there's a thing that people do when they have the ability. It's like a natural inclination. People have been in control of people for so long, whether it's a dictator that controls the population or a general that controls the army or a plantation owner that controls the slaves. There's always been people controlling people forever. And you know what they would do? They would give one of the slaves a gun and have him be the overseer. You know what I mean? and then now you have power.

92:36It's like you have a gun now. But now you have power over everyone else. Overseer. Isn't that in KRS-One, The Sound of the Police? Oh, probably, yeah. That song. Whoop, whoop, that's the sound of the police. I was in Brazil in 2003 for the Abu Dhabi World Championships. For kickboxing? No, Abu Dhabi World Championships for jiu-jitsu. Okay. Eddie Bravo was over there competing. That was the year that he tapped out Hoyler Gracie. It was the craziest upset ever It was insane. Is that what seen in Brazil that will blew him up? 100% man. He wasn't even a black belt yet. Eddie was a brown belt He tapped out hoist Gracie Hoyler a Hoyler who was hoist's brother who was More successful even than hoist in jiu-jitsu tournaments He's like one of the greatest Gracie's of all time in terms of his his accomplishments in winning world jiu-jitsu tournaments

93:31He was the man. What did he tap him with? A triangle off his back. It was amazing. It was amazing when he locked it in He he went for an omoplata Hoyler defended the omoplata and exposed his side and Eddie had like we're talking about legs that can move like hands That's Eddie's legs. He has crazy leg dexterity He can do a lotus position like he could just like put himself in a lotus position like BJ Penn can do that, too. Really? He didn't have to use our hands like Eddie Bravo can put his legs behind his head he has crazy flexibility and leg dexterity it's it's very surprising so if you're in his guard you're fucked and Hoyler didn't know it and he was in Eddie's guard and Eddie just slapped that triangle on him and then started pulling the head and then Hoyler tapped and it was insane I was crying oh man yeah I can't imagine I'll cry right

94:25Now did he even know like did he did he think he was gonna win? Oh he won he well he would he had already beat Gustavo Dantes who was also a world champion He tapped him before that that was his first match He got his back and tapped him and then he had this big match with Hoyler And they shut off all the other matches and put like all the cameras on this one thing so this footage Yes Yes, you want to see it? Yeah It's one of the greatest experiences of my life I get emotional right now Yeah, cuz I can't even imagine see that that's true. That's real love for your homie To watch so for you to get that emotional because he won it changes life Yeah, man because he was always like this like super talented guy and like You know I he and I would talk about it He would talk about all these jiu-jitsu wizards and all these people that were like like super talented I go dude, you're a fucking wizard

95:20I'm like you're really fucking good like really good and he didn't want to kind of believe it for some strange reason He was very humble about his jiu-jitsu. He knew he was pretty good And then he started winning tournaments and he won the Abu Dhabi's and then the the West Coast trials And so he made it to Brazil And so this is him against Hoyler Gracie who is the fucking man and Hoyler's on top of him, right? Now Hoyler has gotten to side control, but Eddie does this thing called the jailbreak. Look how he retains guard It's the brilliant use of his legs because again, he has this insane leg dexterity. So here Hoyler is defending and then he catches him see that Because Eddie had his wrist and looked like he was trying to set up an omoplata And then he locks him up in a fucking triangle and look at him squeezing Hoyler's fucked and he's trying to get out here

96:10But Eddie's this is just death and then Eddie finally grabs the head and when he grabs the head with the squeeze Hoyler's tapping And that's it. And so Eddie walks up and this is what he said. He said he couldn't believe it But he walked around with his arms up in the air like he knew it was gonna happen But while he was walking around like he he did a play-by-play of it on my podcast And while he was walking around, it's like I can't believe it. I can't believe it then Hoyler hugs him And then he looks at me and he goes like this like It was one of the craziest things I've ever seen in my life because for him to go there He was such an underdog and he had this very strange style of jiu-jitsu that really he formulated He came up with there was it's not like he invented submissions But he came up with new ways to set things up that were completely unique to him and his system

96:59And that's how he created 10th planet jiu-jitsu. It's a very well thought out really effective system, especially if you have leg dexterity. That's me and him. We're hugging. Holy shit, man. He's crying on my shoulders. There are few things better than watching somebody triumph. It's amazing. Goddamn. It was crazy, because you couldn't believe it. You couldn't believe it happened. When you're broken up, you know for a second. I'm pretty spent Emotional, physical Oh, that's him talking about it, yeah Going over it So that was the birth of 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu And then he came back John Jock Machado gave him his black belt John Jock took his black belt off After this match? After that match And put it on Eddie Whoa Yeah God damn It was wild, man It was wild so then Eddie started 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu shortly afterwards

98:02What does he say that's the best the best day of his life is one of the best days of his life one of the best days of my life It was amazing Then he came back. I think he was gonna call it like Sumerian Jiu Jitsu or something like that I forget because the joke was like back then Eddie and I would smoke a lot of weed and we would watch documentaries And we would watch the big one was we were really into Zachariah Sitchin. Zachariah Sitchin was he was a linguist and a biblical scholar. And he had this belief that if you decoded the Sumerian text, he's like the Sumerian text in his interpretation described a planet that came in an elliptical orbit every three thousand six hundred years close to Earth. and that this planet was called Nibiru and that this planet, that there's these creatures on this planet called the Anunnaki and that human beings were the product of accelerated evolution.

99:01So the Anunnaki came down here when we were basically lower primates in the jungle and they experimented with our DNA and turned us into what we are now. And there's all these depictions of these gigantic beings and one of them has it on his lap is like a human but with a monkey's tail and he believes that that is like pointing to this link and that there's a detailed map of the solar system which how the fuck did they know that right six thousand years ago how did they know that but it had the Sun the center and that is all the planets in the correct orbit like where they are And they're all like, they're not the exact right size, but, you know, obviously Jupiter's fucking massive and Earth is small in comparison. But the bigger ones are in the right place. So that's why he called it 10th Planet. So I came up with 10th Planet. That's my name. Was he pissed?

100:00I was like, Sumerian jiu-jitsu, no one's going to know what that means, man. I go, just call it 10th Planet jiu-jitsu. Like, this shit is so crazy. It's from over there. Was he pissed when Pluto got demoted? No, we never counted that. Okay, when when Pluto got to mode like you says you says you I grew up. It was a fucking play. Fuck you It's got a name bitch. That's a planet I think the problem is Pluto so small. I think Pluto is smaller than the moon Well, it's weird. Oh by the way the Sumerians counted the moon as a planet I believe okay, because they called Nibiru the 12th planet Okay. We came up with 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu. It was just Eddie and I getting high, brainstorming. Names for the Academy. Because I think Pluto doesn't clear its orbit is what they're saying. Oh. It's not the biggest. So basically the biggest thing in that plane basically moves everything out of the way.

100:58Pluto is about two-thirds the diameter of Earth's moon. Wow, smaller than the moon. Probably as a rocky core surrounded by a mantle of water ice. Interesting ices like methane and nitrogen frost coat the surface Due to its lower density Pluto's mass is about one-sixth of Earth's moon Whoa you could fly on Pluto just jump through the air Like Superman that's the idea about Superman He came from an environment that's so dense that when he comes to Earth he could just fly He'd just jump? Yeah but the problem with that is like biologically We know that what happens to people when they're in zero gravity Is their bodies deteriorate like very rapidly Your bone density deteriorates very rapidly. Like those guys that go up there for like six months, when they come down here, they're fucked up, man. They can barely walk.

101:42That's why those people that volunteer to be the first ones to go to Mars, it's like, y'all are dying. That commander, Chris Hadfield, we had him on the show. I was that deer moon crow telling you about the other day. These guys are all going to take a trip around the moon. When is that happening? Before the end of the year is supposed to right now. Other things could stop that from happening. But shouldn't they, like, send a chicken out there first just to see? I mean, I know that they lied about the CIA killing Kennedy. Are we sure they told the truth about everything back then? I mean, do so many things and go wrong. So many things. Steve Aoki, don't do it, Steve. Steve, I love you. Don't do it. Steve Aoki is a musician, right? Yes. All these people are, like, creators and people that do stuff. Oh, you mean none of them are astronauts? Steve, catch the flu. Don't do it. So this isn't the whole crew.

102:30No, this isn't. Yeah, they're flying in the SpaceX autonomous dragon capsule. Oh, hell. This is a goddamn science fiction movie gone awry. They're going to be on a planet fighting off dinosaurs. It's fine. Oh, have you seen that ad for that new movie with Adam Driver? Oh, yeah, yeah. It looks dope as fuck. Yeah, I was like, this is like dark. They go back 65 million years ago with modern weapons from the future. What's the matter? But when does it come out, though? Oh, I thought you just screamed. Oh yeah, here it is Look at this This looks exciting This is Commander Mills My ship was hit by an undocumented asteroid Transporting 35 passengers On a long range exploratory mission I almost want to stop now. It looks too good. Dude, it's good. I'm going to see it. No, no, no. You need to see some of this. They did a great job. No, they did a great job with this. You already know it's dinosaurs, bitch. I ruined it.

103:51Let's go see it. I already ruined it. Sam Raimi, so you know it's gonna be really good. These dinosaur footprints, oh shit! Yeah, see, they just give you a little touch here and there. 65. That's good. 65 million years ago. Oh, the name of the movie 65? Yeah. Because it's about the age of the dinosaurs. He goes back in time somehow. Winds up on Earth 65 million years ago. Oh, hey. Dress of Parker. Oh. That's a great trailer, though, damn it. There's another good trailer I just saw, too. I'm not going to play it now, but the Oppenheimer trailer. Oh, yeah. That looks great. That was the movie. It looked really fucking sweet. Yeah. That's Christopher Nolan. The one thing I hate about. Another guy who makes amazing movies. The one thing that bothers me about when they do asteroids in movies, asteroid fields,

105:08they make it seem like there's no way you would come close to an asteroid and just be surrounded by a whole bunch of other ones. They're so far apart. The way they always show them in movies is completely wrong. I never even thought of that. Yeah, there's no way you would have to, like, dodge between. It's just, no. But that's all the great Star Wars scenes. Right. I know. Shit. It makes for better action, but it's just, it's so inaccurate. It's just, and it bothers me because I know. I wish I didn't. Too late. Yeah, ignorance is bliss. It's like, you ever heard Neil deGrasse Tyson break down the movie Gravity? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, her hair would not be like this. And everybody's like, stop. Right, right. The space stations are not that close to each other. Stop. It's right. Stop. Let's talk about it after the movie. Yeah, you can't ruin this shit. Imagine watching a movie like that with him.

105:58Oh, yeah, you can tell. You know, he probably loses his mind in Lord of the Rings. He's like, magic is not real. Hey, Neil. Yeah. He goes so far with his skepticism, though, that he's not open-minded to the possibilities that, like, alien life has visited Earth. I'm not saying that it has, but he said, what is so interesting about us? Like, we had an argument about it. One of the rare times I've ever disagreed with him. I'm like, we are so insane. We have nuclear weapons. We shoot video through the sky. We'll go to South America to study a rare frog, right? They'll spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on these expeditions to find these little deer that people can't see in Vietnam. Like, are they still alive? They've done that before. Like what you you're thinking you don't think that a curious alien would want to look at a species that's on the verge of

106:50Changing what type of civilization it is they're becoming integrated with technology and computers artificial intelligence is ready to emerge Gene editing is a real thing that's being practiced right now And in levels that we probably aren't even aware of this is just we know that one story because one guy got busted and he went to jail, but we know they did it. Okay, yeah. So how many of them did they do that they didn't tell us about? Maybe they decided it would be better if we just shut the fuck up. See, I feel like every time I'm on here, we talk about the Fermi paradox because that's really what it boils down to. It doesn't necessarily. No? No, because we don't have the ability to see these places. We don't have the ability to—we really don't have detailed imagery of any other planet. We have very rough estimations of the temperatures. I shouldn't even say rough. I should say they're not precise.

107:46Right. Right. So we don't know exactly what it's like there. We don't know if there's life there. We don't know what kind of life that would be, like a life that could breathe a completely different environment, a different kind of air than we breathe with different levels of gases. It's totally possible. If things breathe underwater. The only example we have is Earth. But even on Earth, we have so many variables. things breathe under fucking water man i mean we drown in there they die up here like fish that's nuts there's a live shit everywhere even places where you would think shit would be like like they um they found they found life around those volcanic vents those vents on the ocean floor like acidic like nothing should be able to be alive there and it's like a thousand degrees is coming out of there yeah but also if i think if it was if aliens because they because mathematically

108:36they definitely exist. At least it seems like highly likely that some life is out there, right? Highly likely. But if I feel like a species that was sufficiently advanced to be curious about us and study, we wouldn't be able to tell that they were here. That's true, too, unless they wanted us to know they were here or unless they are not quite as advanced. Like if there is an infinite universe that we're dealing with and there's planets where Life forms could have developed in a much more stable environment where they don't get hit by asteroids and they get to Not just like where we are which is like a million years of evolution from the lower primates, but like 300 million years like what if they just stay alive and they just continue to advance to the point where they're literally like gods They can travel through black holes. They can transcend space and time. They can

109:29Instantaneously appear in any spot in the universe they want to the question would be like would they want us to know about them yet? See, or even crazier than that, I remember when we were in London, I was talking to Graham. Graham Hancock. Yeah, Graham Hancock. How great was that dinner? Oh, it was awesome. Graham Hancock and Guy Ritchie. Yeah, because I remember when he first started telling me about his theory, it was almost like he expected me to be like, shut your stupid ass. Like he expected me to react completely negatively, and he was shocked that I was like listening. I'm like, no, I want to hear what you got to say. I don't know shit. Well, his theory is based on asteroidal impacts. Yeah, well, he's combined with Randall Carlson. He thinks that there may have already been a more developed human species that got wiped out. And they could have sent someone to another place.

110:17It's totally possible that anyone who can build the pyramids could build anything. If you can make that, we would struggle to make the pyramids today. And I know people love to say, oh, human beings could do it. Sure, we could do it, but you have to realize there's two million. I think it's two million three hundred thousand stones in the great pyramid of Egypt and some of them are cut from a quarry that's hundreds of miles away and These are massive massive stones that were cut with such precision that in many cases when you're inside the pyramids before like the on the outside Everything's fucked up because it used to be covered in limestone, but people looted it and they broke off the limestone They built cities with it and shit. Okay horrible They built a lot of like Cairo, apparently the early days. The people stole limestone from the Great Pyramids. That's how goofy people are.

111:05So that's all rough and fucked up on the outside, but it didn't used to be like that. It used to be flat and smooth to the point where it was probably polished and reflective. Like they don't know exactly what it looked like, but they know that the precision inside in some of the areas like where you look at the stones, you can't even get a razor blade in between those rocks. And these are massive stones. And the amount of calculations that are involved, the amount of precision that has to be involved, and to take this design where you're stacking stones, you can't have any errors when you get to the top. You have so many stones, a millimeter here, a millimeter there. You get to the top, you're all fucked up. Do you think that Neil's skepticism comes from—because the other side of it is the speed of light?

111:54because that's the big huge barrier right is it's like for us to be visited by an alien species they would have had to have figured out a way to get around that either either to go faster than the speed of light or to have some kind of work around like you know warp bubbles or whatever the fuck that we i think that's more likely likely it yeah because i think the way we're thinking about it is very archaic the fire comes out the back i think we're thinking about it like a catapult You know like back when they had a catapult like this is a shit bro. I got the new catapult It's like the staccato 390 catapult with the fucking right cut the ropes and that fucking rock goes flying That was as good as anybody no one ever thought like a missiles would come out of jets You have a hypersonic jet and shooting fucking missiles. What's the thing you talk to futurists and they're always wrong

112:44Yeah, you can't be right you have rough estimates and guesses talk about future you like futurists in the 20s didn't picture airplanes. They thought everyone would have a blimp. Like everyone will have a personal blimp. That's what they thought. Dude, I had a dream about that once. I had a dream, a world, I can't remember if it was a thousand or a million Nikola Teslas. I'm like, think about what that guy was able to create and the ideas that he came up with by himself. And imagine if there was a million of those guys. A million? A million Nikola Teslas. A million insane geniuses that create transcendent technology that we enjoy today. I mean, he was trying to broadcast electricity through the air and wanted to give it to people for free. But think about how, you know, there's an old, I think, Voltaire quote where he says, something to the effect of, like,

113:35I'm less impressed with Einstein's brain than the near certainty that, you know, people just as intelligent are dying in sweatshops and slave fields and shit. It's like, imagine if, because all the geniuses we got, it was just a, it was a, it was luck of the, of the draw that like we got Nikola Tesla at the right time with the right family, with the right money, with the right education or like Sir Isaac Newton, he was born a rich kid. If he had been born a surf, you know, we, we, we'd be a hundred years behind on, you know, that's probably totally true. What you're saying. So I want to go like, if I, if I ever had like Elon money, like fuck you money, I would be, I would build a, but start a foundation that went around the world trying to find those fucking kids. Like go find Go pull the smartest mother better yet create them create a way with Chris not just that but also with education

114:24I mean a lot of it is access to things It's the things like if you read like Malcolm Gladwell's the outliers One of the things that he'll talk about with like certain incredible success stories It's like the access that they had to all these different things that could help them Like Bill Gates like he had access to the computers at the university when he was a kid and learn how to code like very early on and he was involved in it super early on. I hate all these motherfuckers that act like, all of these tech people try to act like, oh, we started in the garage. And they failed to mention their garage was attached to a mansion. You know? Yeah, but it's still impressive. It's impressive to feel like what Apple is, that it actually did start in a garage. Like Amazon, you ever seen the desk that Jeff Bezos used to have? Oh, yeah, yeah, and he had it on like, he had Amazon written on like white paper.

115:15Yeah, it was like one of them vinyl signs. Yeah, but you know what? His parents still loaned him like a quarter million dollars. That's true. Is that true? Yeah. Quarter million? I don't know exactly how much it was, but it was that or over. That's the Trump story, too. Yeah. He got loaned millions of dollars by his dad. And that's what I mean. It's like access to the resources. Yeah, look at that. Ultimately loaned him $245,000 in 1995. By 2020, Bezos had transformed this into one trillion. through the investment. Wow. That ain't bad. It's a good return. But you know what I was talking about the other day? You know what makes me feel sorry, though, for billionaires like him? Is they can't really complain. They can't really complain. You know, it's like when we flew to London, I called my mother and complained. And she was like, what? You know, it's like you can't complain to people that have less than you.

116:13That's true. It's fucked up that him and Elon got beef because they really the only two. It's like because obviously you can complain to your therapist or you can call. But somebody that really gets it, who the fuck else gets what it's like to be a trillionaire? Why do they have beef? What is the reason? I think it's just competition. They're competitive, ruthless motherfuckers. And Bezos went to space first. I really think that's what it is. I mean, I would love to ask one of them. but I think I would think that you'd be encouraging as many people as possible to develop space travel especially like billionaires or imagine if you the richest man in the world and you wake up tomorrow and there's somebody else maybe it's like a premise thing like if you do a bit on a certain premise then someone else is doing a bit on that premise you're like motherfucker sometimes it just gets created like I remember hearing

116:59a long time ago like when TikTok first started getting popular like the number one girl on TikTok is like you know and she didn't she woke up one day she was number two she hated that bitch I think it's just It's just part of that competitive part of you that's just like, you don't really hate the person, but you see them as your opponent. Right, right, right. But I don't know. But it's weird that they've never had dinner together. Because who else are you going to talk to? Maybe a Saudi prince? Right. Who the fuck else are you going to complain to about building their problems? Right. And the Saudi prince thing. Remember when he got, like, they hacked his phone? Oh, yeah. Yeah. They used that Pegasus software on his phone. he opened up a whatsapp link yeah that's dumb that's crazy yeah yeah that's dumb why would you click on a whatsapp link you don't know it's from your friend your friend the billionaire

117:52yeah yeah who knows who knows what goes down and but but also like why would they need to it's game of thrones bro it really is they're playing game of thrones but they're doing it a different way because because i have a like i know that like that when you get to that point it's not even about the money anymore you know it's about winning like i don't think jeff bezos is checking his balance how could he probably fluctuates by a billion dollars every now and again yeah yeah doesn't it like they always say they lost 11 billion in this thing like what yeah well or you hear like amazon stock price law you know lost the most money in american history It don't seem to be affecting him at all. No. He's on a level, but also probably, but he's retired. He's not the CEO of Amazon anymore? No. Oh. So he just has the stock. He's just balling on the yacht. So why not just sell all the stock?

118:45I don't know what he's doing, man. Maybe that's part of the agreement, like he can't sell the stock. That's the thing. But what do you do when you can do anything? You do what he does. You just chill on the yacht? testosterone start lifting weights get a yacht become a baller yeah I mean his yachts pretty impressive they just put out a picture of his shot the other day it looks like a fuck it looks like a small city it's ridiculous Elon Musk doesn't even own a house what yeah he just borrows people's houses really yeah what's the what's the what's the he um he says it's an attack vector so when people like talk shit about him being rich like I don't even own a house he doesn't he's got all that money but he's like your your possessions like your extravagant possessions that people look at those are attack vectors he's just brilliant it's very smart oh so people attack you because you have them yeah

119:39well that's a like they point to that like people are pointing to Jeff Bezos his yacht we know he has what does he have like a hundred and did you know he's one of the first shareholders in Google kapow Jeff Bezos 50 K invested in 1998 Oh, how about that? 3.3 million shares in Google. Oh my goodness. That's 3.1 billion. Oh my goodness That's a nice return on your investment Elon or $245,000 he was the initial investment 250k in 1998 Yeah, but I feel like his parents money I feel like people are talking to me anyway people don't people like you anyway Just have to go buy some shit. Well, they're definitely still attacking Elon, right? But what he says is that a house is an attack vector meaning like that's something that people point to and if I I had Elon money and somebody attacked me on Twitter. I would I would show up at their house and give him a hundred thousand dollars

120:28And be like go back on Twitter and say something nice. Well, you'd be doing that all day long That's how you'd starve to death Did everybody would be lining up to curse you out you'd be exhausted and people get mad like a hundred thousand dollars only takes you so far I'm back. I'm back on the Elon hating train. No, he just banned the guy You know that there's a there's a Twitter account called like Elon's jet Yeah. And the guy was telling people when his jet was taken off and landing, which is a little creepy. How is he getting the information? It's publicly available. But is it sort of? I think it's more complicated than that. I think you have to take data from multiple different places. Right. What he's doing is he's putting all that data together. Is that fair to say? Is that accurate, Jamie? Yeah, it says ADS-B data, which is publicly available records.

121:20But then you gotta put it together and find like probably tail numbers and stuff like this And then he's the one saying this is him too. Mmm. Yeah, I think I think right I think he's he's putting it together from publicly available information, but it's still a little creepy Why it's what is the point? I don't know he said he started to do it because he was a fan of Elon's and then like, you know He wanted like fifty thousand dollars Elon offered him money to stop or offer them a job to stop. I don't know what happened with that I don't know what the exact specifics were, but there was some sort of a discussion about Elon giving him money or something like that. The thing is, he says it's a safety issue. And I feel like if the richest man in the world is telling you, hey, man, what you doing making me feel unsafe, and I need you to stop. And here's some money.

122:07I think you've got to take that deal because... He offered 5K and then countered off the guy who runs the account, asked for 50K, saying he'd use the money for college into possibly buy a Tesla Model 3, and that was, I guess, their last public exchange, maybe. Oh, wow. That's not a bad... Look, that kid saying that, that's a good deal. He said he was a high school senior when it started, then he kept it going during the pandemic. Yeah, 5K's not enough. June 2020. Elon, you got to make an offer they can't refuse. But here's the problem. How does this prevent other people from doing the exact same thing and doing the same thing and trying to get more money? Like, when does that end? Is that an industry now? for tracking Elon's jet? Well, that's also why I think it was a mistake to go public with it. Because the DMs weren't public until he made them public. Until the guy running the account made it public.

122:58You know, so it's like... But is it a mistake for him? Because it's getting him a lot of attention. People are paying attention to it. He might be able to monetize it. It's weird, though. It's definitely weird. And I would not like it at all. I don't think it's a nice thing to do. He got more screwvers than me. Because if I had a trillion dollars, I had somebody knocking on your door. Hey, listen, you want to make me uncomfortable? I'm going to make your whole family uncomfortable. We're not going to hurt you, but we're going to make you uncomfortable. If you won't stop doing this, I already offered to pay you, then I want revenge. I'm petty like that, and that's probably not the smart move. What are you allowed to do? Do you think you're allowed to film someone and put them, every time they're out in public, put it on a website and tell everybody where they are?

123:42You know, because he could hire somebody to do that. That could be stalking. Is that stalking? I think it depends on how you gather the information. What if you just track that guy's car? Say, I'm tracking his car. Let's see what kind of carbon emissions this guy puts out. Yeah, yeah. I'll track his cars. I'll track all his Ubers. We'll measure up. Because you're not carbon neutral if you're riding in an Uber. You get real petty. You're riding in someone else's car. Real petty like that. You get real petty. If you decided to do that and decided to say, are you doing it because you think you want to shame me for flying a private jet? Because that's the thing that a lot of people do. Like the Taylor Swift and all these people that will talk about climate change like look what you're doing Leonardo DiCaprio We're flying around a private jet so the Swift doesn't fly on a private jet? Of course she does

124:22Oh, of course she does but they get they give her a hard time about it They give everybody a hard time about the Kardashians They give them a hard time about like they take so many trips and they could have driven there would only taken 18 hours People get crazy. I think one of them was like they wanted to drive four hours like what? She's not driving four hours, right? Okay. Get it out of your head. Also. Also do A lot of people don't realize too. When you reach a certain level of celebrity, you can't travel regular. You just can't do it. Because people swarm you, they mob you, they stalk you, they slip shit to you. It's like you... Maybe flying private isn't... It's like you definitely can't go to the airport. Bill Gates can't sit in first class. Exactly. Too many people would tell him, you put a microchip in my brain, Bill Gates.

125:12It's like because here's the other thing too. It's like you fly motherfucker You fly you fly commercial It's like you could drive too, but you ain't about to do that Well, it's like the argument would get down to everybody needs to be on an electric bus And then the problem is like how you power in the electricity hey listen the second they come up with some like Some shit where they can you know safely like like some hyperlink shit where they can safely like zoom you at 500 miles an hour. I'm going to be a proponent of that. Those accidents are going to be horrific. The accidents? Accidents. 500 mile an hour accidents. You know they're going to happen. But they don't happen that often in like Japan. Often is not a word I ever want to hear. When you're talking about 500 mile an hour accidents. Oh yeah, the first one's going to be brutal. They're having deaths in Florida right now

126:02and the train doesn't even go that fast. How fast is it? Fuck that. I feel like it's less than 100 miles an hour, but people are trying to cross. They think it's a slow train, so they try to cross the tracks, and a fast train comes through. It says 55 people. It's killed at least 55 people in Miami-Dade. It's on the screen. Broward and Palm Beach counties. Jesus Christ. Since it's debuted three years ago. It's like one a month, I guess. That's a lot. Damn, one a month? That's a lot, dude. They even stopped it for a while because it was happening so much. How are they dying? Oh, but you know what? They're trying to cross, and they think they have time. Oh, my God. Collisions. Look at the picture. They're putting this old-ass train on the old track. I mean, this new train on the old tracks. Well, we don't have new tracks. That's the other problem. Yeah, that's crazy. Oh, my God. This is insane.

126:44Do they check all those tracks? No. No. Right now they have police at most of the crossings to stop people. Oh, Jesus Christ. I think a lot of this has happened during testing. It's not even fully operational. I've been on an Amtrak train because when I lived in L.A., I would catch a train down to San Diego. I prefer the train over driving or flying because it gives me time to read. When I'm just sitting there and traveling, I can read and listen to shit. You know what I mean? It's like a two, three-hour train, but I've been on it twice when it's hit someone. Oh, my God. Yeah. And their whole procedure is they stop the train and they have to wait. They survived. They survived. Oh, my God. Did you see that? Is that the lady in the Prius that tried to drive in the train hitter? Might have been since it was a great mall. A small car. Okay, so wait a minute. She hit the gas and she just panicked.

127:38She tried to get it across before the train. The train hits her car and just clips the corner of it. So these Bright Line trains, all these deaths are from not the train crashing? Correct. No, they're from people crashing into the trains, trying to get across the tracks in their cars. Yeah. See, if one of them things hit you at 500, though, you're not surviving that. You're paced, bro. Yeah, well, they hit the corner of her car. Did she get injured? Yeah, I'm sure she got injured she got rocked. I mean that the car gets destroyed. Did you see that clip? It was a couple months ago. We're like where a police officer pulled a woman over He stopped hit he stopped his car on the train tracks Put her in the back of the car while he went to go deal with the other passenger and then And then the train started coming. Oh my god, and he fucking left that bitch. He left her in the car Oh my god.

128:33Yeah, she didn't die though. Oh my god. Yeah, have you seen that? Oh my god. You didn't have time to get her out? Here it is, right here, yeah. She's in the back of that cruiser. And he's like, fuck it, fuck it. No way. Oh no way. No way. This is from inside the car. She's like, let me out of here, bitch. Oh, bruh. Dude, I don't want to see this. I don't want to see this. You're freaking me out. That's tough right there. Oh, my God. What happened to that cop? Oh, who knows? Who knows? I never got a follow-up. Oh, my God. He left the car on the tracks. Yeah, man. That's so insane. And I forget what his reasoning was. I forget what he said, but it's like. How could he? How do you justify that? That's just a fuck up. You fucked up real bad. You fucked up real bad. And she didn't die, though. Oh, my God. That's insane. I think she broke all her bones. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

129:31Jesus Christ bro yeah by a fucking train aren't you at the very least aren't you pretty much forgiven for whatever thing you got arrested for what if it was just like meth I don't I don't know I forget where her crime was maybe maybe it was caught with meth it was probably something like that but it's like yeah but but we but we can't talk about that in court who's what what prosecutor gonna gonna prosecute you when the when you just got fucked up not just that like for sure she's going to sue. Oh, yeah. I would sue. If she's still alive. I mean, who knows how badly injured. She might be still alive, but for how long? She got seriously injured. It says, I lost teeth, left arm broken, multiple fractured ribs, injuries to heads and legs. Head and legs, right now, multiple heads. But she didn't, she didn't still walk, right? It says she's alive. I'm looking.

130:22It says two cops charged for leaving woman in vehicle. Oh, my God. Yeah. But in the one cop I mean first of all when you fucked up that was stopping your car on the tracks Yeah, why the cops stop his car on the tracks for sure and why did he get it out of his fucking car? Like the whole thing is bonkers. It's yeah, it's I mean did did she try to escape or something? Did he try to put her back in? I don't know what the story was Police officers have been charged multiple felony and misdemeanor counts stemming from an incident Which allegedly placed a handcuffed female suspect in a patrol car that was then hit by a train Oh my god five counts of reckless endangerment one count each of obstructing a highway or other passageway careless driving It's like and you definitely don't get to call yourself cuz he he ain't even try to save her That's so scary, dude. I mean probably nothing he could have done

131:06It might not have been right. I don't know how much time there was in that and he was on the tracks He might not have been able to do anything get out of the way Which is like what did you do do you die with her? She was charged with one count of felony menacing She got charged? No. Before that? Or after that? Mendes Gonzalez suffered serious injuries following the collision and has since been released from the hospital. She is charged with one count of felony menacing, according to the district attorney's office. Still? Menaces when... It's like, nah, I'm going to need you to drop that. I'm going to need you to drop that. How insane is that they're still charging her? Nah. It's obviously still ongoing, I believe, so I don't know that it's even made it to court yet. Yeah, because you can get charged with stuff and then they'll decline. They'll decline the prosecution. That's happened to me before.

131:51What does menacing mean? Like she's threatening somebody? Let's see. I'll Google felony menacing. That's the craziest case of karma ever, if that's the case. Menacing. Wikipedia says, a criminal offense generally defined as displaying a weapon with the intent of placing another person in fear or imminent physical injury or death. Oh, she pulled a weapon on somebody. So who knows what that story is? Public menacing. Who knows what that story is? Yeah. The problem with that is like, who knows what that person did? Who knows if she was defending herself? But imagine getting hit by a train and then still having to go to prison. Oh my God, that's so insane. Because ultimately she didn't harm anyone. Right, she scared them. Yeah, so imagine still having to go to prison with all your bones broken and everything. Does it say with the intent?

132:42I'm looking right now, I'm trying to reel back on the story on why they pulled her over. Can you, the definition though? Can you read the definition again of what messing yeah? Does it say with intent listen me like I'm a fucking lawyer? I Just want to clarify for the record your honor the definition of the dictionary says suggesting the presence of danger threatening a menacing tone of voice To be menacing to someone is occurring when an individual knowingly places another person in fear by means of threat or physical action So yeah, that'd be intent. Oh, but that's just like that's not a weapon though I thought you said it was a weapon. The first thing, as Wikipedia, I'm reading multiple definitions. So if I go, bitch, I'll kill you, that's menacing? Isn't that assault? Probably menacing. No, it can't be assault, right? Or is there verbal assault? Yeah, assault is just making someone afraid.

133:31Again, here's the Wikipedia so we can read that again. Menacing or brandishing in a criminal offense. Oh, is a criminal offense. So, or brandishing. Generally defined as displaying a weapon, but it's generally. Okay, generally defined. But it could be like, what if someone was an MMA fighter and they were threatening to beat your ass? Oh, yeah, because you could be menacing by stalking. Oh. Idaho has a different definition than Ohio. So, you know. Okay. Well. Okay. So something. Who knows? So just threatening, probably. Just threatening somebody. Yeah. Who knows? Ooh. But Jesus Christ, getting hit by a fucking train. You know, Matt Hughes, former UFC welterweight champion, got hit by a train. No. Yeah. Yeah, he has been recovering over the last few years using a lot of stem cells. Oh, yeah, I do remember this.

134:25Yeah, that bioaccelerator place in Columbia, which a lot of MMA fighters go there, and they have great results. He's going there, and he's done a bunch of videos of him there doing different stem cell therapies. Here's what happened to begin that it says multiple law enforcement agencies responded to a report of road rage incident involving a firearm in Fort Lupton on Friday evening a play at bill police officer stopped Rios Gonzales's car just passed a set of railroad tracks and parked the patrol vehicle on the crossing She was placed in the back of the police vehicle, which was hit by the train as officers were searching her car. Oh my god they were searching her car while they parked their car on the fucking train with her in it. So there's no excuse for that. No. How the fuck do you not know the train's coming? Yeah. And you're a cop in this area? And then they could hear it.

135:21It wasn't like it was a quiet train. But both of them, they were probably just so locked in and then by the time they realized it was coming, they were like, bro. I mean, what the fuck? you definitely don't get to be a hero imagine being in that fucking car when that train's coming woof yeah because being in a situation where you know where you really know that there's harm coming they've gotten rid of people that way too you know what do you mean? parked them on the tracks like murdered them and then parked them on the tracks yeah definitely tape your hands at the steering wheel do you know that's how they found out about the drug trafficking in Mina, Arkansas? No. Yeah, there was a guy named Barry Seal, and he was going back and forth to, I guess it was Columbia. Why does that name sound familiar? Because they did a movie on him with Tom Cruise. I think it's called American Made.

136:15Is that what it's called? It's a great fucking movie. But, you know, Barry Seal's not handsome like Tom Cruise, so it's weird. But the movie's great. Wow, Tom Cruise played this one for him? Yeah, that's Barry Seal. He didn't gain weight or anything. He's like, fuck you. Tom Cruise's like, I'm not gonna look like that. I'm Tom motherfucking Cruz. I can pretend now go see Tom Cruise in American made Now watch the difference of what his character looks like Just looks like a wild man just got some crazy hair. That's it And I've never seen this movie. Well, it's a true story Well, the movie is you know, obviously a dramatic adaption of a true story. They took some dramatic license, some theatrical added things. They had creative power over the storyline a little bit. But in it, Barry Seals gets pardoned by Bill Clinton. For what? There was something that happened where he got in trouble

137:14and he said, call this number, and Bill Clinton lets him off the hook. In the Tom Cruise movie. Yeah, in the Tom Cruise movie. There's like a scene right here. this supposedly happened. Play it. I'm Dana Simbota. He's just been arrested. State Attorney General. You've got DEA, ATF, FBI, all wanting their pound of flesh. It's famous. It's quite real. Yeah. Well, you hit the trifecta, didn't you? I mean, guns, drugs, money laundering. And the state of Arkansas is going to rip the bark right off of you, boy. We are going to put you in a four-by-six cell for the rest of your life. That's a long time. Yeah. Miss Sabota, I have Governor Clinton on the line. He says it's urgent. Come here. Where's your governor? Put him through. Clear the room, take him with you. Yeah. What do you need, Bill? did y'all know that caddies have more trunk space than any other car in the world so this is tom

138:27cruise just talking to all these cops that think he's going to jail for the rest of his life you do that for all of us yes sir i would i'll get all y'all caddies have them here this afternoon what are you trying to do seal add another 20 for bribery oh no no no no i'm just offering you all caddies for your troubles what troubles you well bring me down here for one see i'm gonna walk out of here. I'm gonna walk out of here. I ain't a damn thing any one of you can do about it. Do it. He sticks his arms out to get unhandcuffed. What the hell do you mean he's free to go? He's free to go. You boys should have taken the caddies. I'll be seeing you still. There you are. So this is in the movie. It at least implies without specifically saying it. Does he deny this? yo did when that motherfucker i don't know when his memoirs come out that's gonna be a motherfucker

139:47so this is what happened these kids died on this train track in mina arkansas and the the police reported that the police report stated that they were intoxicated and they fell asleep on the train track and that's how they died then the parents did an autopsy and they found stab wounds and the kids and so they knew that the kids had been murdered and placed there so an investigation started and then during the investigation they realized that that was where Barry seal would do his drug drops so he would fly into these airports and instead of flying in with giant bags of cocaine and then getting arrested when he landed he would throw them out the back of a fucking plane with parachutes and they would land like these bat or I don't know if they had parachutes they just throw these bags out at like you know a low altitude okay and he had drop points

140:41where he dropped these bags and one of these these two kids one of these bags landed and they saw it and they went over and started fucking with it and then when the people went to find and retrieve the bag they found these kids and they murdered them and so then people started talking and then they found the story of this guy, Barry Seals, and he was arrested. And on his way to trial, he gets murdered with George Bush's phone number in his pocket. Barry Seals. Barry Seals. Man, stop playing. Listen, this is the ultimate story. Is all that in the movie too? I don't know if they put that in the movie, but find out if that's true, because I'm pretty sure it is. The ultimate story was this guy was smuggling drugs into the United States a lot. Flying back and forth South America. He had all these photos and he he worked in

141:36Cooperation at one point in time with whatever federal government that was investigating. I think it was um Was it it wasn't no was it noriega like he? Who would he get in trouble? Was the Medellin cartel? Yeah, so was it Pablo Escobar that he got photographed with? So he got like photos for them of like all these different drug dealers all hanging out together Pablo Escobar, but that's how I caught those pictures came back and were released publicly before he had even landed on that flight So that's how they found and they're like, oh, we know who Barry is. Yeah They murdered that dude somebody murdered that dude But that guy was bringing in drugs and it was he wasn't making all the money himself He was a pilot and I'm sure he got a piece I'm sure he got paid really well, but he was doing it for other people's a Spinelli. I'm trying

142:27I don't know who this guy is. Let me see. I think it might have been a previous agent So he was an agent at one point in time this says he was his pilot was he an agent and had his Okay, it says for example Spinelli said one of the big conspiracy theories around Barry is that he Was George HW Bush's personal pilot and when Barry was killed he had Bush's phone number in his back pocket Neither filmmaker felt it was appropriate to include that Unsubstantiated theory but they also knew that astute audience members might already be familiar with it That's a good way of like saying it might have happened So then why did they include the Clinton thing because the Clinton ding thing definitely did and the thing about it is it's like How what what was going on? I guess I was bringing in cocaine and if you really thought about it you go okay, if you were

143:17Some big-time government agency right and you knew there is no fucking way. We're stopping all this coke from coming over here All right, it's coming over here Why don't we like get a little taste? Why don't we get a little taste? If you're in the DEA and you're just constantly Busting scumbags with giant bags of meth And you're like, you know what man How about we just fucking sell some of this shit? How about we just sell some of it and use the money Like to fund the Contras versus the Sandinistas In Nicaragua And that's what happened with Freeway Ricky Ross You ever hear Ronald Reagan talking about that shit? Where he At first he goes There's a Killer Mike song called fuck reagan or something like that and it starts off with his speech about where he goes he's like uh i know last week i said that we were not funding these contras or whatever he was like

144:06and even though this is this is a very politician way what he goes even though um my heart tells me that that's still true the evidence says that it's not so so instead of being like i lied he was like My heart tells me that this isn't true. How much do you think they tell the president? Like how much do you trust a guy who only has a job for four years? I think they tell him the very tip-top urgent shit. And they tell him all the other shit on the bottom. But there's that little middle little 10-15% that he has no idea. In the 1980s, I'm just throwing this out there. Don't you think that in the 1980s they could keep a guy like Ronald Reagan from finding out that they're dealing drugs while his wife is doing the Just Say No campaign? Because that's during the same time period, man.

145:00During the Just Say No campaign, Ronald Reagan was responsible because he was the president, whether or not he knew about it. During his administration, they were selling drugs in South Central L.A. Oh, yeah. You've seen that video where Michael Rupert calls out like there's an assemblywoman and there's the CIA or the DEA guys on stage and he says, I witnessed, I personally witnessed the CIA selling drugs. Yeah, they were definitely putting drugs in. They were selling drugs and they were doing it all through Freeway Ricky Ross. Yeah, and then they locked him up. And they locked him up and he figured out how to be a lawyer in jail. He couldn't even read when he went to jail. He learned how to read and then became a lawyer and realized they had tried him for double jeopardy incorrectly. Because for double jeopardy like when someone has like three strikes three strikes, right?

145:47Not double jeopardy three strikes. So when someone does that it's so it's supposed to be like three separate times It's not like three different things you charge them for at once right and for his second arrest They they'd use that but they used it incorrectly. I hope I'm not fucking that so he did get out. Yes. Okay. Yes He got out and his stories and insane It's an insane story because it's all true and verified and that guy was making millions and millions of dollars He couldn't even read at the time. He was a tennis player. He's a fucking very smart guy and he didn't know how to read And he figured out how to do it in jail once they arrested him and learned how to become a lawyer That's miraculous today. Is there a movie about him? No, no, there's a whole show about him. Well, there's also Rick Ross the rapper Oh, yeah. Well, I think they had an issue at first. They did.

146:37Because he's like, I'm actually. Actually Rick Ross. Yeah. It's like someone calling themselves John Gotti. Right. And then John Gotti gets out of jail. Like, hey. Well, you know, there's a lot of rappers that name themselves out of like mafiosos. Sure. Right? Sure. Because there's a Yo Gotti rapper. There's a. I forget his name. But the guy that used to run Murder, Inc. Something else Gotti. Mm-hmm. Irv Gotti. Irv Gotti. Yeah. Irv Gotti. There's Rick Ross. there's uh i think um um uh biggie used to call himself something slim i'm i'm getting i'm getting my shit's getting crossed up but there's a lot of rappers do that what did superfly sell was superfly a drug dealer in that movie i think he sold pussy that's not like a pimp was that what he was i don't believe i think he was selling drugs I think that was the idea that was like cocaine yeah yeah you know what's crazy we do so much cocaine the United States does

147:39an insane amount of cocaine I think Britain still does more than us that's amazing I think Texas might be bigger than Great Britain yes well it rains over there so much they do so much cocaine over there it's crazy Get gacked up. That's why their fucking food sucks. Their food doesn't suck anymore. No? No, they eat some amazing chefs over there. Yeah, and you can get some really good food in England now. That was like an old thing that people said. No, I mean, when we went there, that was my only time there. Albania, 12 plus. You didn't think that was great steak? No. How dare you? I thought everything else was good. The potatoes were good. England and what? Albania is number one? Annual prevalence percentage. I'm not exactly sure. Whoa, so 5.9% of the people do... Over the age of 12, which is... Doing coke at the age of 12. That's a crazy way to measure. Oh, my God. How you find out that 12-year-olds...

148:36That's Rose's people. Holy shit. Rose from the Comedy Store. That's her people. Albanians? Wild folks. Holy shit. Albanians. 6% do cocaine? That's wild. Let me see the list again. I'm trying to find a better one to see. That one's fun. Well, I just lost it. That one's a good one. If they broke it down by city, it would be a whole other thing. Right. Yeah, because some cities are – like Miami would fucking dominate the country in the cocaine Olympics. Miami, Los Angeles. Miami, though, would really – I mean, that city was built on cocaine. Wow, look at that. So the United States is only number three. We've got to do better. We've got to do better. All the coke's coming into this country, and we can't get into number one. But what does annual prevalence mean? Probably per year. How many times do you do coke at least once a year? And it looks like, is that, am I reading that correctly?

149:24It's the percentage of the youth and adult population who have consumed the drug at least once in the past year. Yeah, so it's 2.9 for America? Yeah. And that's just all the people that are telling the truth. Yeah, a lot of people are lying. Yeah. Probably more than. And how many of those people that aren't lying are on Adderall? Because it feels like more than 4%. A lot of people are doing it. I feel like whenever I'm in a room and cocaine comes up, because I don't do cocaine, but I am always in the minority. Most of the people are like, oh, yeah, I'll do something. You know? I've never done cocaine. It doesn't affect me. I've never even tried it. And at first I thought maybe I was doing it wrong or I did the wrong kind. People would constantly try to convince me, but there's a theory that kids that were on Ritalin don't have the same – cocaine doesn't have the same effect on them. Oh, interesting. Yeah.

150:22Well, that makes sense. You probably have a tolerance for speed. Is that what Ritalin is? It's very speedy. I don't know if it's technically a speed, but it's very speedy for some people. It makes them like Henry Rollins. Was on it when he was a kid and he talked about it. He'd be like, fucking. He thinks that had a big effect on him. I'm pretty sure Henry said that. I think that was Ritalin that he was on, right? Okay, it says, Ritalin acts much like cocaine. Advanced imaging research has answered a 40-year-old question about methylphenidate, which is Ritalin, which is taken daily by 4 million to 6 million children in the United States. How does it work? The answer may unsettle many parents because the drug acts much like cocaine, albeit cocaine dripped through molasses. Neuroski. Neuroski? That's the person who wrote those. Oh. That was like, what did they say? No, no, just through molasses.

151:19Taken orally in pill form. It rarely produces a high and has not been reported to be addictive. However, injected as a liquid, it sends a jolt that addicts very much, addicts very much, rather, says Noura Volkov, MD, psychiatrist and imaging expert at Brookhaven National Laboratory. They say it's like cocaine. So when you inject it into someone, who the fuck is injecting Ritalin? I don't know how people found that out. How do they make that? It acts like, that's a misleading title. It acts much like cocaine when you inject it into someone. They were saying that it doesn't cause that when you take the pill for them You know or maybe it it's it's a very very mild cocaine effects I don't know but people that I know that have taken it describe it like that Henry Rollins described it like he was just like fucking Yeah, gritting his teeth all day. It gave me bad anxiety. I could just imagine it's like us

152:16You know also the thing about things like that is like Who knows what's gonna work for you and what's not gonna work for you like there's so much Involved in like trying stuff on you like if you don't feel good like they don't know what's going on in your head Yeah, like what does that mean? Well, you know, this is what really fucked me up is because When they first put me on it I Didn't like how it make me felt like the first couple times I took it so after that I was sneaking spit it out right and after like a month of me so i took it for a week i ain't like how it made me feel why did they why they put you on it i was in foster care and i was like um i wasn't basically i was add they called it it's adhd they called it add back then and it was just the teacher was like he's smart but he don't he can't sit still you know and that kind of shit right and so for three

153:07weeks i was spitting this shit out and then we had a parent teacher conference and so i wasn't even on the shit and you know how like you know sometimes and i don't recommend parents do this but like adults would talk would talk about me like i wasn't there right right right you know what i mean and these motherfuckers the teacher the guidance counselor and my foster mother they all sitting around like talking about how yeah i really noticed the progress and it was my first time i'm sitting there you know seven eight years old i'm like these motherfuckers are full of shit like i didn't have the words to say that right that's how i felt like they're all full of shit They don't know about any of this shit. And so for the longest time, I refused any of the shit they gave me. Like once I had the power to say no, I was like, fuck those pills.

153:49Because they tried to put me on Prozac too when I was a teenager. And I was like, how you know this ain't, they experimenting on me? How you know this shit, what does this shit do? Well, also the thing that drives me crazy about kids that won't sit still is that no kid wants to sit still. The idea that you want kids to sit still, it's so – I know you're trying to give them discipline and train them to be good students, but that is absolutely not what they want to do. Kids are like puppies. They want to run around. They want to have fun. That's natural. That's 100% natural way to live as a kid. When they make you sit down in a fucking room and listen to some boring shit and maybe you're behind in classes So you don't even you can't even follow what the fuck they're talking about because you you're not up to that level of whatever

154:37It was the opposite for me too much for me. I was like I get it. Oh, so it was like boring Yeah Like if I could give even better so if that's the case like imagine the solution is to drug you It's not like he's so smart. This is all stupid to him like that was Einstein you know like Einstein failed like seventh grade yeah like how the fuck can you if you fail Einstein I mean you gotta think that maybe the way you're teaching is kind of fucked yeah because I forget who the fuck it was I think I think the guy's name was Tom Hartman but it was like a political guy that I used to listen to a long time ago but he was talking about how there was a he when he was coming up there was a school in Boston where they would send these kids they I don't think they called it ADD back then. But the theory was that it was actually an evolutionary benefit because the person that was it's not that you can't pay

155:31attention, it's that your attention is split. You know, so the guy that was hyper-aware would help the tribe survive or whatever. There's that, but it's also they're bored. They want excitement. There's a thing about children. They want things that are like, that stimulate them. And when the education doesn't stimulate them, it's just It's just drone. It's like a trumpet in your face. Just blah, blah, blah. You want to get the fuck out of there. It's normal. Being a smart kid is kind of a curse in the wrong environment. Because you know the teachers that always got the best out of me was the ones that were fucking hyped about the subject they were teaching. It might have felt like a curse. You might have at the time felt like it was a curse, but it's 100% not a curse. The curse is to be born stupid. That's the real curse.

156:20Yeah. You do. You are way better off being a smart guy who feels out of place in a stupid neighborhood than you are a stupid guy in a smart neighborhood. Yeah, you're right. You don't want to be the dumb guy. You don't want to be the dumb guy. And it took me a long time to stop acting stupid so I could fit in. Oh, interesting. Yeah, because I wasn't just I wasn't just I wasn't just a smart kid. I was also a foster kid. so it would be like I would finally, finally feel like I'm kind of sort of fitting in and then I would move and now I'm this new kid in a new school, you know when you're a new kid in a school everyone's paying attention to you and I know the answer but I know if I raise my hand it's going to draw more attention Right and you're going to be Mr. Smarty Pants Right, Mr. Know-It-All and it was like so I got into this habit of just dumbing myself down so that I would be cool or whatever but

157:15But, you know, as an adult now, looking back, it's like I realized no one thought I was cool anyway. You know, I'm way cooler now than I'm just myself than I was when I was trying to be somebody else. But, yeah, but that's part of being a kid and especially being a foster kid and getting moved around the way you did. That's got to be an insanely challenging thing. But that's also why you're so interesting. Like people develop character through adversity. True, true. I don't think there's any other way that we acquire it. It feels like a curse when it's happening, you know, when, like, you know, your fucking life sucks and nothing goes your way and you keep failing. You keep falling flat on your ass. But that terrible feeling of you not meeting your goals and achieving things and getting something going on in your life, those terrible feelings create a more resilient, more focused person. Oh, yeah.

158:08That applies to everything. Well, finding comedy is like I found my trap. Once I found comedy and I was like, oh It's all these other fucking people that be thinking and saying weird shit Exactly and wondering about dumb shit like it was it was like Like a glove. Yeah. Yeah, that's why you know when Mitzi would talk about the the comedy store She would call the island of misfit toys That's what we call Yeah, it really is the island of misfit toys because people come people think people try to Have contra make it controversial like some of the shit we say on stage or whatever But if you heard the shit we said to each other It's a whole other level This is the only way you can make make each other laugh also like there's zero stakes All right, well, it's just and you get props for it for going too deep

159:04Like if we're out at dinner and Tony Hinchcliffe says some fucking insane shit that you could never you could never say sometimes you ever forget that like uh like there's there's a not comic around and you forget all the time and you're like oh they probably don't yeah but i'm telling you but the if those those y'all listening out there there's nothing better than you know five or six comics just talking shit yeah that know each other and trust each other with no no recording devices around and And we're high and we're just mind. To me, it's almost like the equivalent of a rap cipher. It's something we automatically fall into to keep each other sharp. It's an exercise that we just do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I think that's what podcasts are in a way too. You know? Yeah, yeah. And we're spoiled. Yeah, we're definitely spoiled.

160:00Because if you try to have a conversation with a knucklehead, it's not fun. Yeah, that's why the pandemic fucked a lot of comics up, like the lockdowns, because a lot of people don't realize, like, you being exposed to such a high level of thought experiments and just mental stimulation every night, you're near some of the most abstract thinkers, and they're giving you ideas in different angles, and you're spoiled by that. And then all of a sudden, it's nothing. You just get a text that says, hope all is well. That ain't doing it. Like six months ago, you were talking about aliens and if humanity was started from an alien doing mushrooms or whatever the fuck. It's like you were having those kind of conversations every fucking day. And you took it for granted. And then all of a sudden, it's not available to you.

160:56Right. And your mind is used to just constantly getting new things to think about and piece together. It's like you just it's just gone. I was real lucky that during the pandemic, we kept doing the podcast. Yeah. We never stopped. Yeah. We tested everybody. We did a lot of different things. We've been in the early days. It was very touch and go because, you know, the testing you for antibodies. They're not even testing you like necessarily for covid. It took a little while before they could test for covid. right we just had everybody just you know be honest about how you feel be honest about whether or not you've been exposed constantly get tested i get tested every fucking day and then you know you got to monitor yourself too but it was weird because like everybody that was coming in had been isolated so we knew that we weren't exposed to other people other than these people that we're

161:45doing the shows with, but then I did a gig in Houston at the improv in July. It was kind of the heart of everything. And then I didn't get sick, but I got really high, and I got super paranoid that, oh, my God, what if I got sick? And then I started thinking about it, like, what if I got sick and I infected somebody? I'm like, I know I'm not sick right now. I don't feel sick, but what if I got it? Then I was thinking, oh, my God, like, I can't do any more of these shows, so I have to stop. I was like, I got to stop. and so we stopped for months and months and months until we did these shows outside with Chappelle we did the stub shows because then we tested the whole audience we tested everybody we had a covid bubble we tested the whole audience everybody got tested and then um we did those for a while and then as things relaxed more and more so I was I was able to do the podcast through the

162:35entire thing. By the time we came here, they had rapid tests. So they had these rapid antigen tests. They could find out whether or not you're positive in 15 minutes. You'd probably, you'd probably lost your mind if you couldn't. Yeah, I would have definitely gone into a different headspace. I think a little bit of silence and relaxation and removal from the world sometimes just to get an introspective view into what actually matters because you could lose what actually matters and that the hectic scramble to pay your bills and advance your career and do this and do that and you know you're trying to achieve things and you're going after it every day and you just when everything shuts down the one advantage that you have is that now you could look at life in its pure state. Life in its pure state is just people around the people that they love. And you're just hanging out together.

163:33And you're locked in together and you're in a place of elevated risk because everybody's a little heightened by the fact they all know that everything's been locked down. And there's some meat being smoked. A little bit of that is good. The problem with people is that shit went on too long. It went on way too long and it fucked people up psychologically whether they realize it or not. Oh, isolation. isolation oh yeah isolation and fear and anxiety because you got to think people there's certain people that had a level level of anxiety that was already very high and then the pandemic comes and everyone they see might kill them by breathing on them and you see people and whether or not masks work or not you see people with no mask you're fucking furious that could be the one that fucking kills me i remember when we when when it first started and i went and i went to

164:16the laundromat because i had to and it was and i remember just thinking like oh all the air is poison yeah like what what if that was the one that's gonna you know it was like it was it was it was it was rough it was also rough because no one really knew what the effects were yet you know that shit they have in Korea it's like a phenomenon they've named it but it's like a people that like isolate themselves it's a sickness they isolate themselves and they just stay locked they just shut their shut watching video games or whatever they just don't leave the house the house as little as possible and they have a name for it and it's a And it's been for years. And it's like we basically did that to everyone. To everyone. Yeah. And the really fucked up thing is they did that to kids.

165:00So these kids are going to have a hard – and also they did a lot of communicating with masks on to kids and then kids to other kids. They forced them to wear masks. So the way children learn how to talk, a big part of it is like watching people talk, like watching facial expressions. That's how you learn. You learn from people. You learn like the way we communicate with each other. You see facial expressions. You recreate them like this is me going wow. I didn't know that You know, you like they have to learn that when you half your fucking face is covered by a diaper They can't nobody could see that it's like bad for development So we have no fucking idea what kind of impact that's gonna have so what do you think so say there's a pandemic? another one and there's and there's no controversy like this shit is Deadly no one It'll be what we experience times 10.

165:50It'll be just as fucked up in terms of like the anxiety levels. They'll be even higher actually. Right. Because people will be, you know, now that this, if this is like the Spanish flu or something like that, it killed millions and millions and millions of people. I think people will, I think there would still eventually be a point where people were like, fuck it. It's worth it. Eventually. Yeah. But if it's something that's fatal to like a large percentage of the people that catch it, not a small percentage like COVID. I mean, think about what ultimately COVID was like. What percentage of the people that got COVID died? Jamie, what percentage of people that got COVID died? This overall. Let's just include old people. Let's not be ageist. Include young people, old people. Let's see what we got here. What do you guess? I'm going to say 4%. Let's just say 5%. Let's round it out. I don't think it's that high.

166:55You don't think it's that high? No. I think that would be a lot more people. The amount of people that died from it, I think it's like 3%. 3%? I think it's 3%. I'm not sure, though. It might be lower than that. Actually, no. It's got to be lower than that. No. Yeah. That's ridiculous. Because 3% is insane. That's an insane amount of people. Right. Like, what do you think? I've seen people say that it's less than 1%. But I don't know if that's like, if they're going like healthy 18 to 49. Obviously, there's a giant risk if you're old. Old people, there's a giant risk. I mean, it really goes up. When you look at like people in their 80s and like, if you look at the number of people that died from COVID, a large number of them were older. It's real dangerous. Because right now, where are we at? Eight billion people on Earth? Yeah. And maybe half the people caught it? No, more than that, probably, at this point.

167:48Okay, so 1% of that is... That's a lot of fucking dead people. That's too many people. Yeah. So it's less than 1% for sure. We just did science. We're scientists, though. We're scientists, bro. Where's my honorary degree, goddammit? Cheers. Cheers, man. This has been fun. Tell you. Jamie's still doing math. What do you think the number is? I've seen different numbers. What do you think it is, Jamie? Yo, don't give us those Republican numbers. Yeah, man, give us a real number from Politico. I don't know. What did they say on Truth Social? But that's really the best, because that's how I feel. I don't know. Because, listen, I think when the waters get so muddy, all you got is how you feel. because I'm not going to buy a microscope you know I'm not going to do the study so because it's become so political that both sides are kind of throwing mistruths and shit out there so it's like you don't know who

168:51because I don't trust any of these politicians did you see that they released something today finally on natural immunity no what is that the Washington Post finally published a truth about natural immunity in a piece by Lena Wendt she's that lady that was the expert on CNN all the time that was telling people to mask up. Okay. She said, vaccinated people who never had COVID were at least three times as likely to be infected as unvaccinated people with prior infection. Hmm. So they're finally talking about that, which is really bananas. Okay. But also, never had COVID is weird because here's another one ready for this one those who are vaccinated but never had covid were four times as likely to have a severe illness resulting in hospitalization or death compared to the unvaccinated who recovered from it protection from natural immunity

169:56also was this way wanes at a slower rate than vaccinate than from vaccination sorry i didn't put my glasses on there never had covid is weird because because how do you differentiate between people that never had it and the people that just never tested positive for it that's true too because i only got i only tested when it was something i needed to test for my friend bridget had it she had no idea she had it she tested positive she's going to a wedding she tested positive couldn't go she's like this is crazy this is i don't i don't feel anything i was i tested positive twice

170:30I got lucky man I never I never tested positive when it was something important like like when I did when the first time I did this podcast I was like please don't fucking test me you know and then when I when I got my Netflix thing I didn't test that I didn't test positive and and and I had some other important thing where it was like matter of fact when they did the festival they had us all test the week I filmed something at the end of the festival but for for almost two weeks before that we were just doing shows around LA And then right when you're going to do the most important thing at the end, you got a test. Oh, boy. I know. I passed that one, too, though. Was the shows around L.A., though? A lot of them were outside shows, though, right? No. No? No. By the time the festival happened, it was already— Oh, when is the festival? The Netflix festival? When was that? It was— Oh, the recent one.

171:19Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, so when you said the festival, I didn't know which one you were talking about. Oh, yeah, yeah. The one they just had, like, right at the end when everyone was, like, fine. But I do know I do know a motherfucker where like their whole thing They were supposed to film something And they tested positive right beforehand They fucked their whole shit up Yeah I've heard of that too Well listen man, what are you going to do? They have to abide by those rules Especially when we didn't have Any way to treat it Or we didn't know what was the right way to treat it There was a lot of that in the beginning They thought respirators were the way to go They found out they weren't But that's how things go when there's a pandemic There's a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking about stuff. But when are we going to catch a break where the treatment is you just got to fuck a lot? You know what I mean?

172:04You just got to nut twice a day. Or I wanted it to be something crazy where weed was actually the cure. Because stoners always say weed's the cure for everything. But if it came out and was like, TAC is actually the cure. That's the thing. Oh, man. I can't wait for something like that to happen. Well, you don't want an illness. Just enjoy weed. You don't need to justify your weed usage with an illness. I got you right. You're better off being healthy and just enjoying it on your own. I just don't like the judgment. Judgment from who? Idiots that don't smoke weed? No, but here's the wild shit, though, Joe. I've always had... My eyes always make me look like I'm high. and i don't smoke weed as much as people look like right right and i jim brewer that's the perfect example jim oh yeah jim brewer looks like he's constantly high and he is i guarantee

173:05you he's not high nearly as much as people assume i don't even know if he gets high anymore he went through a long period where he definitely didn't get high he was getting too high jim yeah yeah Yeah, decided to back off. And he was in half-baked. Yeah, because that's the thing. I can only get super high when I'm fine. It doesn't solve my problems. If I'm having anxiety or depression or something like that, weed doesn't make me feel better. No, it makes you freak out about whatever that thing is. Yeah, it makes me feel way, way worse. Because I think too much. Yeah. Yeah, I think way too much about it. But I'm going to show you this damn picture. and this is, because I get this all the damn time. Motherfucker. So, goddammit. What is this in relation to? This is my baby picture. I look high as a baby. I'm going to show you because I'm not making this up. Right, goddammit. Right. Did I take it down?

174:09You need an iPhone. This is bullshit. You know an iPhone I don't know if you could do that and these primitive Android devices, but you could make folders I don't see it like a favorites fold I can like have just like saved it and label it and stuff you can't do that in your little Google I'm sure I can gallery. I'm sure all your pictures just lumped in together man. I'm I know albums I am I'm like semi organized. I'm organizing a bunch like wait a minute then Why do you like gadget so much like I thought you'd like them because they help you organize shit Um, I just like them because they feel it feels like the future. I feel like my toe, I'm tiptoed just into the future. Some dudes have like their, uh, all their jokes written out on like a spreadsheet. No, but I time of each joke. I use three different apps for my joke stuff. Yeah, you were telling me that.

175:04Do you use, um, do you use the elephant one? I use Evernote. that's my main one just because I know that it's cross platform so if I ever decide to switch I can still have it all that's a really good one but I use but then Samsung Notes and then Google Keep is another one I use but somebody introduced me to one recently man because I'm telling you the kids now they got so much the young comics now they're using an app called Standupper yeah and this shit he showed it to me and I was like man if I could If I could pay somebody to transfer all my shit into it, I would. But it's made for stand-up. Really? Yeah, and from you writing out a bit, it'll tell you how long it is. No shit. Huh. Yeah, yeah. So a comic created it or someone who likes comedy? A comic showed it to me, and from using it, I'm almost positive a fucking comic made it. Because there's no way you would know that it's perfect for comedy. Interesting.

176:06Audio. Yeah, you have a little audio. It tells you how long everything is. Interesting. You can put little tags on shit. I was like, damn, who thought of all of this? They bombed that set. That was a great set. The set was meh. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Oh, so you write down, that's crazy. You write down your experiences at every open mic? Yeah. That's heavy. Yeah, and it's like they're getting meticulous with it. I'm telling you, it's almost like the way that we were talking about Khabib, where it's like the new generation of fighters that's coming up are learning how to counter that. And so they're going to be unbelievable. Like the new comics that are coming up now, some of them are going to be fucking incredible. And they're learning at an accelerated rate because they have all the access to all the greats of all time on YouTube. Like you could go on, you could Red Fox, Rodney Dangerfield, Sam Kinison.

176:59You could get anyone, Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy. You can get all these specials. You could watch them all. Oh, yeah. You could watch anything you want. You could watch it all day long. If you wanted to sit down and just watch Rodney Dangerfield all day long, you could just get on YouTube. You know what holds up? It's Sanford and Son. Oh, yeah. That shit makes me laugh. Oh, my God. Still. Red Fox. Did you know he invented the comedy album? Really? He basically, yeah, he was the first person to put comedy on an album. Stand-up. Yeah, stand-up. Yeah. Wow. To my understanding. Jamie can you factor he used to run a comedy club in LA and he would record there and I bought a series of Richard Pryor Cassettes from a gas station once cassettes. Yeah, they had cassettes There were the I was that you know the gas stations used to have these cassette racks you'd pull in to get gas like some road trip and

177:53You know I'm on the road doing stand-up and I pull into this place And I'm like get a snack or something and they always have like hats and trinkets and shit And they would have cassettes so you could buy shit you could listen to because there's no serious XM radio There was none of that back then So I found these recordings from Red Fox's comedy club and they're they're available now You can get some of them. I think at least one of them for sure on YouTube you get the whole recording but it was Crazy man, it was like you could hear the clink of the glasses. It was Richard Pryor fucking around on stage just like inventing shit and being loose and Early early days man. It's important to have those to have a place where you feel that comfortable Have a club where you can you feel at home and you can fuck around, you know

178:40But that's how earthquake got so strong. You know the earthquake story. No, but I know he's a beast He took over a comedy club in Atlanta and when he took over this comedy club in Atlanta He he had to be on stage every night So he's on stage constantly So he was doing like what the Beatles did when when they went to Hamburg and they were playing like eight hours a day That's how they got so good like the beater that that's also in that Malcolm Gladwell book when the Beatles went back to Liverpool Everybody's like what the fuck did you guys do? How are you so good? Like what the hell happened? That's what I did numbers just numbers when I when I first started I was pretty bad and then but then i started working at that this comedy club that it just opened and so i was learning how to do everything i was basically their first door guy and i fucking ran the shows and sold the tickets

179:35and sat and answered the phones and did every fucking thing and i was on stage every fucking night and i only went there and then and then everybody else saw me that hadn't seen me you know i was like how the fuck did you i was like i was just doing this every day like literally every day every day yeah and i but i don't know if i had if i can do that now but don't say that yeah every night if you had to yeah definitely do it it's a lot of fun we'll see but back then i i think i overcorrected because back then like i said i was so excited to finally find my thing that i became obsessed about it but it was to the detriment of everything else in my life That's how it always works. Yeah. It was like, yeah. So I was like, it wasn't healthy, but it was necessary. Yeah. If you want to get really good at everything, that's the problem. Like someone has a quote about that.

180:25It's like, that's why Tom Brady getting divorced. Do you think that's why? Yeah, because you can't be that good and be a great anything and be a great. A good other things. Yeah. I mean, maybe you can be great at two. Maybe you can be a great husband and a great quarterback. but you can't be a great quarterback a great husband a great father a great friend you know a great a great businessman yeah it's like you can't that's why they they're getting on for that ftx shit like do you think he read that do you think he had any idea what that even was about no they just said i'll give you five million dollars to say this and he was all right or whatever it was probably more than that he's like sure he in the middle of watching film he's like oh yeah yeah i'll do it yeah exactly yeah he's probably laser obsessed with football i think

181:09the best you can be if you want to be a great if you want to be a great comedian the best you can be is a very good everything else right yeah you can be a very good dad you'd be a very good husband and a great comedian i think there was also like the the wife didn't want him to go back to playing football yeah she wanted him to like look because she's because she's tired of being she's tired of being second women women don't like listen why why you think if you ask if you ask the average woman how they feel about their husband's playstation they gonna all be like they fucking hate that device because he chooses it over them all constantly right and it's like and i feel like that's very i feel like not i feel like the way people feel the way some people feel loved is they need to know that you'll they need to know that you'll

182:03pick them over that other thing right right at least sometimes and they and they and they'll start creating scenarios well what if like you know a bunch of comments have jokes about like their wife going if i had no legs would you still love me and shit like that right and it's like it's the same thing it's like they start creating scenarios we're like okay babe i love that you're a comedian i know that that's how i met you and it's the most important thing in your life but like my mom just died can't you come to the no i have a gig you know what i mean right or okay but it's our anniversary you you went up the last three nights can't you no you know it's like eventually that's just gonna get exhausting we're like i can't get you to pick me ever it's not gonna last it depends though some some women are supportive of that yeah remember that movie have you seen

182:51that documentary oh yeah you talked to the guy the solo climb guy yes same thing with that He told that girl, I'm going to always pick this climbing shit. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to always climb. Yeah. Go home. Like if you are the greatest of the great. Yeah, if you're going to be the greatest of the great, you can't be. Yeah. You don't have time for anything else. No. How many people are trying to be the greatest quarterback of all time? It's like him and a couple other dudes in the conversation, right? Well, and yeah, because it's a delicate balance if you're trying to make that happen on purpose. Because like, I forget the kid's name, but they called him robo quarterback. Where like his dad tried to make him that. Yeah. And it drove him nuts. Mirinovich. Mirinovich? Mirinovich. Yeah, Mirinovich. Todd Mirinovich.

183:41Yeah, and it's like, you can't, because it's a delicate balance because you got to instill it in them, but you can't. Yeah. Yeah. That Marv Marinovich guy went on to train BJ Penn Really? Yeah, yeah He trained BJ Penn for some of the greatest fights that BJ ever had because BJ had like an endless gas tank So he trained him in strength and conditioning and he had this idea that strength and conditioning was the most important thing And that you're fighting you already know how to fight like your BJ Penn You know how to do it. You don't need to work on like sparring and and hitting the bag and and timing and all that stuff like you already know that shit what's really important is you have an endless gas tank a fucking insane gas tank and so they put him on these wild plyometric exercises they broke that dude for like six weeks but when he fought like when he fought

184:31sean shirk and when he fought diego sanchez that version of bj pen that version i put that version up against anybody alive or dead yeah he was a he was a monster when people talk about like the greatest of all time you gotta include bj in his prime bj in his prime because people always want to look at a fighter you look at like the overall body of their work and you make an average of their performances you can't do that with bj because in the later stages of his career like those that's not the same bj yeah and we don't we don't take care of these guys but it's also it wasn't he didn't have the same like you can only be burn that hot for a short amount of time like when you're that good and with i mean bj was so ferocious like in that that period like you i think that's very hard to maintain that intensity that he had but in that time man

185:21whoo he was fucking good did he go against gsp yes he did he beat him right no gsp beat him up man gsp beat him up he uh he beat matt hughes though but that wasn't that wasn't in his prime When GSP beat him? Well, no. It wasn't his prime. It was a different weight class. Oh, okay. All right. BJ was going up to 170 to fight Matt Hughes, who was the welterweight champion. But BJ was a natural guy. He didn't take steroids. He didn't fuck around with anything like that. So he just was BJ Penn. He was like the same size as he was when he's fighting people at 155 pounds. And George St. Pierre is a powerhouse. He's a very physically imposing fighter. And his top game was fucking ruthless, man. He would get guys down and beat the shit out of a man. George St. Pierre was a bad man in his prime He was a bad man and he was much bigger and he was very angry at BJ BJ was talking all this shit and

186:14BJ was saying that they're gonna fight to the death Like he said that like to the death and I'm serious. We're gonna we're gonna fight to the death Jesus Christ and everybody's like oh my god remember when Matt Hughes beat GSP? Didn't that happen? Yes, he caught him with a far side arm bar. It was a thing of beauty. Like one of the greatest upsets ever? No, no, it wasn't upset. That was at the time when Matt was the champ. And that was, because now my memory is fucked up. I'm so high. George St. Pierre. But GSP was coming back. No, no, no. No. GSP won after that. But GSP lost their first encounter. Their first encounter, Matt Hughes. took him down, and he caught him in a far side arm bar. And I think GSP was going for a Kimura, and the counter to the Kimura was the far side arm bar. So he went to hit the Kimura, and as he went to hit the Kimura, he didn't have control of Matt Hughes' body.

187:14So Matt Hughes spun around him. It was beautiful. It's like a thing of beauty, like a black belt level submission. Well, GSP— See if you can find that. Didn't he beat everyone that beat him? Yes. Everyone he lost until he came back and beat. Yes, everyone, yeah. Dude, GSP was the fucking man. And the nicest guy on earth. You would never believe he's a stone-cold killer. He's so friendly, so nice. Fucking sweetest guy you're ever going to want to run into. Is he on your goat list? Oh, yeah, 100%. Yeah. If there's goat lists, he's on there. So here's Matt Hughes on top. And he's punching him and see what George tries to do. He tries to stop him by going for a Kimura. So the counter to the Kimura is the far side arm bar and that's the counter and he hits it perfectly. That's brilliant. That is like High-level black belt version of a submission watch this spin spin takes it boom. I mean it's fucking

188:10Art that's art. That's the art in martial arts And someone hits a thing like that like and you can look at that forever Like for as long as there's YouTube as long as there's all these video platforms, you'll be able to see Yeah, I watched a video the other day was like the rarest submissions the rarest ever the rarest submissions in MMA Yeah, that would have to be the twister Fall by the almaplata and maybe the calf slicer and there were there were some that like there were those were all on the list But it was it was actually like the not the submissions themselves, but like the actual times that it happened Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah actual times. I think in the UFC. There's only been two or three twisters and I think the same things like only two or three omoplata's and I know of one calf slicer

188:58submission that I'm thinking about and that's Charles Oliveira yeah this one oh that's this is the twister well that's uh that's called the crotch ripper actually that is uh from the same position that you slide into the that was I'd love that move rip your tan apart it rips your legs apart yeah I mean do it again I'll show it again and this is this is where it comes from where It comes from, it's like back control. You get a lockdown on one leg. See, he's got a lockdown on the right leg. And he takes the left leg, rather. He takes the right leg and stretches it out. And look, I don't give a fuck how much you're training. Your survival instincts kick in when your nuts feel like they're coming apart. Yes, agreed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look at that one. Oh, look at that knee bar. That's a nasty knee bar from the guard. That's Husamar Poharis. That guy is terrifying. So that's another knee bar from the guard.

189:46So he's got a knee bar. He's got a half guard, and he clamps down on the leg and gets his body sideways, so he gets all that leverage on the knee. That's a nasty submission, too, because you probably don't have much time to tap. Yeah, some of these I had never even heard of. Yeah, these are definitely not all in the UFC. So this is like he got him with a guillotine. Go back to that. So it's like he's got him in a guillotine, but he's got him, like, backwards. It's a crazy – Oh, yeah, that's crazy. And it's got an arm in, too, and he's, like, all the way over to the side. That's crazy leverage. This is a buggy choke. This happens pretty rarely. There's more and more buggy chokes in jujitsu now than ever before. The Rutolo brothers are masters at it. But these submissions like this with the buggy choke in UFC, I think there's only been a few. He's out right there, right? Yeah, he's out cold.

190:35Who's being choked? Oh, okay. The guy on top of him. So what it is is the guy gets you inside. Go back to the buggy choke. Guy gets you inside control, which is usually a good position to be in. But what you do is you reach up, you grab your own leg, you trap his neck in between your leg and your arm. So you see how he's pulling that right there? So wait a minute. So it's like a triangle. Is the black dude getting choked right now? The guy on the bottom with the hair is the one that's applying the choke. So it's hard to see because his legs are the same color. It's not. Leg. Yeah. It's just like let it play out a little bit. He's grabbing his own leg. Let it play out and you'll get to see. And so he lets him go. Both guys are white guys. Oh, okay. So watch I think I'm not sure about that. He's holding his arm here and his leg is in there. Yes Yeah, yeah, it's it's basically like a triangle choke

191:25But you're doing it see he's got his arm you want me to spend it to you Right, that's the guy who's winning So he's got his arms class together and see how this one arm that's classed together over his own foot is pinned down against that dude's neck. So what you have on, you have one side, you have, he's cutting off the carotid artery with his right shoulder, or his left shoulder, rather. On the other side, he's using his left leg. So he's got the two of them together connected and squishing the neck. See? See how he's doing that? Yeah. So it's like he's using his own arm, and he's got that guy's arm in place. I mean, it's fucking brilliant. Oh, that, this is vicious. That's nasty. That's like a Kimura from the back. That's like, yeah, he's doing a Kimura from back control. The Boston Crab. Somebody got submitted with you. Oh, yeah, I saw that too. Yeah, that's probably the rarest. That might be the rarest.

192:23Yeah? Yeah, I don't know of any other people that I've ever even heard of. I'm sure it's happened. I'm sure it's happened on some regional scene or something like that. I didn't know about it. Yeah, that could never happen in the UFC. If it did the matchmakers have some fucking splainin to do yeah I mean cuz or maybe it was like UFC one or two, like, you know Maybe like a long time ago, but not now well it could be that a guy gets hurt And when guys get hurt They're they don't know what's going on and people can put them in compromising positions much easier We watched the whole video the number one here. I believe what's happening at the guy on the bottom Oh, he's doing like a teepee, but he's doing it to his rib cage instead of doing it as a choke. He's just crushing his ribs and his body with his arm and his legs together. So he's just crushing the dude's ribs.

193:12Yeah, I'm pretty sure that this guy is like, he says in the beginning of the video that they aren't actually like ranked in order. Google TP triangle. So there's guys that are finishing triangles now and Eddie called it to TP because it looks like a TP. You get your legs up there and you get his arm in like a triangle, But instead of cinching it down the way like he tapped Hoyler in Brazil instead of cinching it down you craft clasp your hands together And when they do that like is he gonna get it here? So when when when you do that you have like a pinch See see how he's had the s-grip right pinching his legs together right right right right so it's like a no arm triangle Or it's a rather it's a one-arm triangle. He does have one arm in and he puts him to sleep He had the left arm in so the other one has no the buggy choke has no arms This is doing um the guys got his back no these two on the side

194:06I don't know like fighting to talk to him or something. What's going on? They're probably coaching Yeah He's probably trying keeping his friend from being stupid. Oh, yeah, yeah I don't know yeah that I think that seems very weird. Is that what it is? I'm just tap tag Oh my god, that's hilarious. They have tag team jiu-jitsu. That is hilarious. So show how he sets it up again. So yeah, it is no arms. So look, watch. When he gets the leg across, he pops it out, and now he's got... Man, does he have the arm on the left side? No, he has the arm on the left side. No, he doesn't have it in. You sure he doesn't? He reached for a tag there before he passed out. Right, but the left side, it seems like the arm's trapped, right? Oh, you're talking about the dude in the yellow's arm. Yeah. Back it up a little bit? Yeah, it's trapped. That was the only thing that makes sense.

195:00I have seen people do scissor chokes without an arm in, where guys' legs squeezed are so good if they get a hold of your neck, particularly if they get you in a crucifix position you can't defend right. They clamp down on your neck just with their legs just squeezing like a scissors position. Bro, in those situations, man, a lot of times your life really is in those referees' hands. Oh, yeah, for sure. Because it doesn't take that long. Like if it's a blood choke, it doesn't take that long for you to die. Right, if somebody lets you hold on to that for like five minutes. Oh, yeah. I don't even think it's that long. How long before it kills you? It's seconds. It's not minutes. Really? It's like, yeah, I think you probably have like 15 seconds. What? If they cut off the blood right here. For 15 seconds? It's not that long.

195:46I don't know the exact amount of time, but you don't have that long for a blood choke. Jesus Christ. It's way more. You have way more time if they cut off your hair than you do if they. Because you can hold your breath much longer. If they hit the arteries. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the blood choke, your brain is literally not getting oxygen. Yeah. Yeah. 20 seconds. Yeah. A well-applied blood choke may lead to unconsciousness 10 to 20 seconds. Injury or death is plausible if the arteries remain constricted for more than 20 seconds. Okay, yeah. Compared to strangulation with the hands, properly applied blood chokes require little physical strength. That's not true. That's not true. Yeah. I mean, you could choke, but you could blood choke somebody with their own. It depends on who you're choking. That's a ridiculous thing to say. Right, right, right. You need some physical strength.

196:34I mean, you don't need to be like super duper strong. That was misworded. I think they meant you. Strength to do the choke. It doesn't take that much pressure. Not fighting back. There's a lot, man. There's a lot going on when you're choking somebody. That's not true, really. Like, you can do it like this, but it requires physical strength. Yeah, definitely does you definitely have to have I mean it's a hundred percent. It's technique But there's physical strength in this also you like when you get your arm around someone's neck And then you get this behind the neck like this There's all this struggling to get this hand down in there There's a lot going on and then once you get it in there the guy's trying to peel your arms off Your jaws getting pushed getting pushed to the side you're fucking squeezing

197:20There's a lot of physical strength involved especially if you're doing it to someone as strong the idea of saying There's not a lot of a lot of physical strength. What if someone strong? Of course no, but I but I think you're I think you're interpreting is like someone fighting back right right They're just talking about it doesn't take that much strength to cut it off right well. That's true Then yeah, that's true. I'm thinking about it from a jiu-jitsu perspective He's like I just don't like when people diminish the the arts It's necessary the deadly arts. Well, you know like I don't want people to get a false sense of what works and doesn't work well it's a lot of that shit going out there's always gonna be that yeah there's always gonna be that jiu-jitsu is hard do you know hard to do what's do you know of any survival myths that are

198:03bullshit survival myths yeah like people go you know you know it's like all these old wives tales about what to do if you're in the wilderness like if you see a bear yeah and most of it's most of it's wrong most of it'll get you killed like what'll get you killed um like uh like rationing water it's like you're better off you're better off rationing your sweat than water if you not because if you don't hydrate real quick you're gonna get stupid yeah and you got to drink your own piss yeah you want but but but it's like it's way better for you to hydrate fully as long as you can than it is for you to like be a you know 10% hydrated yeah and uh you know for a long drawn out amount of time because like you're gonna do dumb shit you're gonna just be dumb from that from the beginning and if you can drink your piss you have to here's one oh you got

198:55to drink your piss what is it seems like a piss salesman playing dead if a bear attack playing dead that only works sometimes no it works sometimes see here's the thing like it depends on why the bear is attacking you is the bear attacking you because of predation is it trying to kill you or is a bear attacking you because you think it's a threat if he thinks you're a threat and they minimize you and you play dead they may stop attacking you but the question is how the Do you know when do you know when do you know to when how much do you have to move for the bear decides to bite you again? Dude that shit that that you know that's based on a real story. Yeah Yeah Roughly based on a real story it happened in the the the drive Steve Rinella nuts because it happened in the Great Plains But the way they made it they made it like it was I think it happened the Great Plains in real life

199:45But it happened in a totally different environment and they filmed it in the rainforest myth of a shark attacks You punch it in the nose. That's a myth there. I think that's really hard to land a solid punch in the nose of a moving shark Jesus Christ Video I think they're from the shark week probably there's a guy in a plexiglass Just above the water just me just under the water tank cage They're calling it this fucking gigantic great white comes and starts circling them. Oh fuck that and it just fucking attacks From the bottom of bricks right through the fucking oh my god, dude. Don't show me that Show me that which did the water immediately fill up with shit cuz I would shit my pants I think they filmed it for something. That's why we haven't seen all of the video yet Imagine trust in a motherfucker and loot like losing your life cuz you trusted it like like oh man

200:35Like when Owen Hart died, you know imagine all the motherfuckers that told him all those things were good and strapped in and boom And he jumps from the roof and it break. Oh my god. Oh, that makes me so mad This actually didn't just happen happen in the summer So this dude is in a plexiglass box There's the box He's there in the water and here's a shark it boom and it comes right through the fucking plexiglass easily could have bit Oh, yeah easily could they had to notice they had to know this what I'm saying you a goddamn fool What this is what I'm saying you are gonna put up the producers are like listen You want the show to get some fucking attention or not? That's what we do. We give them a plexiglass box Right a plexiglass box, but is it gonna stop the shark? We have we have it right here in the paperwork. It's gonna stop the shark

201:23It's shark proof so the guy that they're interviewing he says there's no cage that will stop a great white shark It's just something to help. They'll break through anything. He says we told him it was shark resistant How crazy is that there's no cage that'll stop a great white shark these motherfuckers are still going shark diving? Are you out of your fucking mind? That looks so flimsy, dude. That looks like an in-and-out box. Well, yeah. I mean, look, there's nothing that you can see through that's going to stop a shark. Look at this, dude. Look at this. Look at this thing go through this. It barely misses that guy. Like, barely misses biting him in half. He's just got a wetsuit on, man. It blows right by him. And I'm not, I'm not, I don't know. The fucked up thing is it's trying to eat him, man. That's the most fucked up thing. Show that again.

202:04The reason why it's going at him is because it wants to eat him. Yeah, it had already brushed by and, like, touched it once to find out, like, oh, no, actually, I'm going to come back after this thing. Bro, watch this. Look at this. This is coming to eat him. Bro, fuck the ocean. Fuck the ocean, dude. And the homies just filming it? A lady just got killed in Maui. From what? From a great white, they believe. Not a great white. They're not sure what shark it was. Great whites aren't in Maui. It would either be, like, maybe a tiger shark or something. But what was she doing? They were snorkeling. and the people on the beach were watching this shark in this like thrashing around and they yelled at the husband to come in body not i've already what's that body is not recovered jesus i've always had an intense fear of the the ocean and the only time i've ever been in the ocean

202:58is is i got talked to a girl when i was in high school and i and i immediately got stung on both feet by jellyfish. Never went back again. When I go to the beach, I chill on the sand. Meanwhile, there's a girl who she was 13 years old. She got her arm bitten off by a shark surf and she got right back on the board. Right after? Oh, yeah. She's got one arm now. Oh, I'm retarded. No, no, not that day. Oh, my God. She got back. Oh, my God. Can you imagine? We're too high. I probably did a bad job explaining it. That's such a dumb question. I fucked that up because in my head, I should have said and once she healed up oh right you said she got right back on the wall like that's a bad so she got her arm bitten off by this is it a video it please don't say this is it okay so there is she's a wicked surfer but she and she's doing it all with one arm she lost her fucking

203:48arm to a shark man and she's right back at it it's her here's her video of it happening wow the video of the shark biting her i don't want to see that no no don't show me her story Oh. If it is, it would be announced. That is brave as fuck. You see, I'm not- Not only do you know it can happen to you, it did happen to you. There's the shark. Fuck that. Dude, fuck that. Fuck that. I know all you people, all you Shane Dorians out there. You love it. All you Kelly Slaters. World Championship surfer who's a good friend of mine. He's the best. He's a big wave surfer. He's the craziest of surfers. Yeah, but you know what, though? Laird Hamilton, fuck you. But people look at what you do and say the same thing. No, no, no. There's no sharks in my world. Look at this. You don't want to do that. What? No one wants to do that. Oh, my God. That's Shane. Look at him. Look at that wave he's riding.

204:42What kind of psychoticness is this? Look, I know that the danger isn't the same. Look at that. Look at that. Look at the size of that fucking wave he's on, dude. Imagine if that thing comes crashing down on you. Look at the height of that thing. And he's riding this with his balance on this ever-changing landscape of water He's floating with a fucking billion pounds of water overhead ready to collapse on him at any moment and hopefully not knock him unconscious Because when not that water hits you like that a lot of people just go out man Yeah, these people they just build different dude, but but look like I was saying the the danger isn't the same but the fear is the same people look at people look at what you do and they go oh you're gonna you're gonna wait a minute you're gonna go up and speak in front of 50 000 people

205:32like that's insane to the average person they would never they to them they look at you just like you're just as crazy as this motherfucker well i'm letting them know it's not the same incorrect that's way harder fucking anybody could do this but but you know what to to them they look at that the same way we look at stand-up. Where it's like, you go after stage time and they would never. And they look at that like, oh, there's a wave over there? Right. Where? Bro, they get jet skied out. You ever see that? They get dragged out to the biggest waves, these crazy waves. So you're so far, you can't even get back on your own without that wave. That's crazy, man. Yeah, the surfers, people that do extreme sports, they lost me. They lost me. See if you can get a video of them getting pulled by jet skis out to these. They do it. I think it's out near.

206:24I believe there's a big one near Mexico that they love that they go out to. But isn't everything shifting because of climate change and shit? Like aren't the waves? I just would imagine so. I don't know, though. I haven't heard anything. I don't study waves. All the stuff is moving. Look at this. They're jet skied out here. Look how far they are from land. He's also saved them so you know, that's good to like they go. Oh, yeah That's a good point because if you get hit by one of these fucking waves Well imagine being the dude like forgot to gas it up Have you ever seen the highest wave anyone has ever surf successfully? No, I'll tell you shit your pants It's like when you know those dudes are like walking on the top of skyscrapers like balancing with GoPros You're like Jesus fucking Christ get sweaty. That's how I feel about this one good do biggest wave ever surfed? How tall is it? That's a good question.

207:19Look at this. Watch this. Largest wave surfed. Watch this, dude. Look at the size of that thing. Look at the size of that wave, dude. That's insanity. What is that, 50-something feet? Who the fuck knows, man? The term unlimited means that the surfer is towed to the wave, enabling them to catch waves that would be too strong to be caught. Otherwise. Otherwise. Oh, that's why they do it. Because they would never be able to keep up with it. 78 feet. That makes sense. 78 feet. 78 feet. That's crazy. Dude. But one of these days, a surfer's going to get caught out when it's like a tidal wave. 78. I mean, they're going to get lucky and unlucky. That's what they're looking for. Oh, yeah. They want to die on that motherfucker. Perfect Storm. Have you ever seen that movie? Yeah. Because they're going to catch like a 150-foot wave. Oh, my God. Because an earthquake just happened to hit while they was out there. Oh, my God.

208:10And they might not survive, but they're going to be like, but i'm going out going out a legend yeah that's true you would a lot of guys have in that world i mean that's that's their risk versus reward you know they live for it and there's way less money in it like the the people that are making up they're like make a good living from it it's such a small percentage of the surfers yeah i can only imagine and surfing's hard to get into man because like uh because i didn't realize they're very territorial like if you're new somewhere and You're like, all right, guys, I'm just out here trying to figure it out. They'll hurt you. This is the plot to Point Break you're explaining right now. Man, this is a movie I haven't heard of in a long time. Isn't that Patrick Swayze and Keanu Reeves? R.I.P. Patrick Swayze, man. Yeah, this movie was great. Roadhouse is the greatest movie to watch High ever. Roadhouse?

209:01I never heard of that movie. Roadhouse with Patrick Swayze? You never heard of that movie? It's amazing. It's amazing. It's so over the top that if you're high, you just need to be a little high, and it teeters into the absolutely preposterous. Is it 90s or 80s? 89. It's amazing. Okay, yeah, yeah. It's amazing. That was when Patrick Swayze was that dude. Remember Ghost? Oh, yeah. He was in Ghost with Whoopi. I loved Whoopi Goldberg when I was little. You got to watch this. Give me some volume. That'd be like a nice podcast for you guys to do, Brian, if you guys have never seen it, watching it now. Just watching Patrick Swayze movies? Well, that or this. This is the evil guy that owns the town? Anything can happen. Look at this. Oh, this is a dude from Big Lebowski. Yes. Of course. Holy shit. He's all karate down on there. But Patrick Swayze was like a dancer. So he wasn't necessarily like a martial arts expert. Right.

210:36But he really knows how to move his body well. So he got famous from that. Yeah. The dancing was what, I mean, like for dirty dancing. But what is this movie about? About a badass, bro. What the fuck is wrong with you? Okay. And that's the bad guy. He's the bad guy. Look, here's the other bad guy, the other karate bad guy. There's a karate fight to end this shit, bro. All right. One of the greatest karate fights ever. There's fucking guns, murder. All right, you've convinced me. Roadhouse They're redoing it With Jake Lillenhall Oh Well no Jake can do it He'll pull it off I bet it's gonna be great Joel Silver's producing it Roadhouse Let me see Do they have that in there Conor McGregor's in it I bet it's gonna be great Maybe that's why He left the Usada pool No He hurt his leg man Could be Some people said that Part of the reason Probably helped Helped a little bit Oh yeah It's on Netflix Yeah The original is The new one

211:36They're just starting to work on it now. Yeah. Or they just finished production, I think. Oh. They did some stuff at the UFC. And Jake Gyllenhaal is playing Patrick Swayze. I think he's playing the Patrick Swayze character. Wow. Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, he's playing the badass. He can pull it off. He did that Southpaw movie. Did you ever see that? Dude, he got fucking shredded. I think I did see it. Pull up Southpaw. It's a good fucking movie, man. It's a heavy movie. It's not like a cheesy movie by any stretch of the imagination. nations very gritty movie very realistic movie about this guy's like really really fucked up you know killer boxer you know what shit you gotta see barbarian look at him look at him bro i mean he got fucking jacked i think i did see this dude he looks like he's fighting in the ufc welterweight division like look at him he's fucking shredded there dude yeah and this is some

212:29of the hardest acting to do is look at that the like boxing as though it's real right make it look Well, he pulled it off man. He's one of the few guys That that's really pulled off looking like like he knows how to box Daniel day Lewis did it in that movie the boxer and he actually trained as a boxer for a year before he did that movie Oh, yeah, well then you date on fucking around dude He's the the best version of like a guy who would doubt but Jake Lillen all nailed it He really looks like a modern-day elite athlete that can fight like you buy it There's never a moment where you're like, get the fuck out of here. Like, why is he knocking everybody out? It seems real. Yeah, he's one of the best. Oh, he's phenomenal in this movie. But what was the other movie that I said? That was it? No. I said Barbarian. No, no. There was another box. Oh, Daniel Day-Lewis. Pull up Daniel Day-Lewis from The Boxer.

213:25Oh, The Boxer. Yeah. Okay, yeah. So the reason why this one is almost like, it's almost more realistic. Like when you see him move around, this is almost, because the other one was like all knockout punches and shit. Whereas most boxing matches, they're matches. Like a lot of shit goes on before a knockout punch. It's not like, unless you're Mike Tyson, you're not just smashing everybody right away. So they're showing like these clips, like quick clips. But in that movie see if you show this is the fight when you see him fight It looks like an actual fight like they're moving around hitting each other Like this is like he looks good man. He looks good Like I'm buying that he just knocked that guy out pretty quick too though So maybe this destroys my argument No, but then you the way he the way he prepares for a movie is like insane

214:20He looked good there though, but so did Jake Loom Hall the point is like Jake Loom Hall almost looks too good. He's so shredded. He looks more like a wrestler, like an MMA fighter. There's only a few boxers that are that jacked. There's like Anthony Joshua. There's a few guys. Most guys are like Terrence Crawford. They're a little leaner. They're not quite as muscular. He's got pretty muscular. Why do you think that is? Well, because you want to be the right size for the weight class. So if you're in a weight class, say, like 170 pounds, You want to maximize your frame. You want to fight in the weight class that your frame is suited towards. Because if you're too big in the chest, you're slower because you have longer to reach. There's also some people are just naturally thicker, and they're built like Dwight Muhammad Kawi.

215:11He was a heavyweight champion, and he was a light heavyweight champion, and then he fought as a heavyweight. And he was like, I believe he was 5'7". Oh, wow. Dwight Muhammad Kawi, he was amazing, man. He fought some wars back in the day. He fought Evander Holyfield. I think it was cruiserweight now that I'm thinking about it. I think he beat Evander Holyfield for the cruiserweight title. I think that's what it was. I don't think it was light heavyweight. But he was a tank, man. And he would just cover up and move in. You never heard of him? No. Dude, he was a beast. But it's so unusual. Pull up Dwight Muhammad Kawi versus Evander Holyfield. And this was on Holyfield. It just got back from the Olympics. How do you spell Kawi? Q-A-W-I. And it was like when Evander, this was his first big test as a professional. This was like a world championship fight. And he lost? Yeah. No, Evander won. Evander beat him.

216:06That's how good Evander was. Evander beat a lot of motherfuckers, man. And Kawi was in his prime back then. Look how short Kawi is, but he's just a tank. Look at the build on that dude. But look at his fucking defense. It was superb. And he was a murderous puncher. And just mauled people and kept pressure on them. Just a masterful defensive fighter. And he was all over Evander. I mean, they had a real war, man. He tested Evander. But Evander won the decision. Great fight, though. Great fight. You know what? Evander Holyfield could take an ass whooping, man. Oh, fuck yeah, he could. Remember the Riddick Bowe fights? Yeah. Riddick Bowe was huge. Riddick Bowe was huge and really fucking good and then that was the thing about I think that was was frustrated so many people That fighting him is because he would just take your best

216:55And just keep fucking Mike Tyson that fight. Yeah, dude. I watched that fight with Kevin James We couldn't believe our eyes. We're in I rented a house in Encino And we were watching it live on pay-per-view. It was the craziest Especially the second one. Yeah, the second one was nuts. Because you were like, there's no way. Well, I guess it was only nuts because it ended the same way. He bit him in the second one. Yeah. Yeah. The first one, he just beat him down. Evander beat him down. The second one, Tyson bit him. He bit him twice. I think in my mind growing up, Mike Tyson was the first person that I thought of as truly invincible. Like I truly believed when I was a kid that nobody could beat him. You know? Everybody did. Everybody did because for a while it was true. And you know what also blew my mind? It was the first time too because there were people that hated him.

217:55There were people that just because he won so much, there were people that were like, fuck that guy. Of course. Oh, yeah. Like a lot of the old men in our neighborhood, they're like, I can't wait for somebody to teach these asses a lesson. You know? he was only 20 right but they just hated it was like because he represented he represented the new guard yeah it was like you know like all the motherfuckers they rooted for like he just beat the shit out of lorry holmes yeah and you know but there was always those guys like joe lewis woulda mop the floor with him right right right right let him run up with marciano and you know it was like there was always those guys that were pulling out people from the past. I think Mike Tyson beats them all. I think Mike Tyson is prime. The Mike Tyson that beat Marvis Frazier. The Mike Tyson that knocked out Michael Spinks. That Mike Tyson

218:41beats them all. I mean, he might not beat Ali. I think he beats everybody else, though. I just think in his fucking prime, man, he was a force of nature. It was knowledge, right? You know we're talking about watching films. His manager, Jim Jacobs, had an enormous library of old fights and They were on like, you know, one of those projector things and Mike Tyson would go down there and play old fights So he would play like Jack Johnson fights and he would play like Max Schmeling versus Joe Lewis Right Jack Dempsey. He was a big Jack Dempsey fan because Jim Jacobs had this extensive Library of these great great old fighters Stanley Ketchel all these amazing guys and nobody ever heard Harry Greb And he would watch all these. Sugar Ray Robinson, Willie Pep. And he would watch all these. And he would absorb their styles. Did Willie Pep die in the ring or something? I don't believe so.

219:41That name stands out to me for some reason. I don't believe so. Okay. Benny Perret died in the ring. Benny Perret was killed by Emile Griffith. Emile Griffith beat him to death in the ring after Benny Perret teased him for being gay. He kept talking shit about him being gay. And he beat the shit out of him? He beat him to death. Oh, was he gay? I believe so. I believe so. I think that was the rumor. Wow. He beat him to death. But that wasn't illegal, right? Nope. I mean, he wasn't trying to. He was trying to knock him out. But it's a... I forget what they call that fight. See if you can fight that fight, because that's a rough one to watch the end. Emile Griffith versus Benny Perrette. Was that the fight that changed boxing, where they had to crack down on safety rules? No. Oh, okay. The one that did that was Ray Boom Boom Mancini versus Duck Koo Kim. That was the one where Duck Koo Kim died.

220:35And I think that was when they started to go to 12 rounds. I think they went to 12 rounds slightly after that because they were doing 15 rounds before. And I think Duck Koo Kim died in the 13th or 14th round. I forget which round. I think they had decided that 12 rounds would be the right one. so this is emil griffith versus benny perett and this is the one where uh you know he was taunting him and emil griffith just fucking so i'm guessing the guy on the right was the gay guy the guy on the right is emil griffith yes okay that's that's that's the gay guy with the i don't know if he's gay but that's what that's what he was being teased about yeah and that was he was definitely being teased about that but that was the rumor that he was but look dude he just beats the fucking show. So he's stuck in the ropes and Emile Griffiths is teeing off on him while he's out. So he's trapped in the ropes

221:28and he collapses and then he's dead. He's dead right now? Yeah, he's dead, man. He beat him to death. Watch that again. Watch that combination again because it's so crazy. Uppercut and then he backs up. Right hand. This right here? The ref should have stopped it right here. Right hand. This is crazy. Right hand, right hand. Yeah, he's trapped. The only thing keeping him up is the punches. The punches are so hard, they're keeping his body upright as he's leaning up against the ropes. Because he's there right here. Bang. Well, he's out right here. Right there, you could have stopped it. Right there, for sure. Right here? He's turning away, and he's hitting it with bomb after bomb, and he keeps going. One, two, one, two, one, two, one, two. I mean, he's just swinging at him afterwards. And the ref's just sitting there like this. Yeah. There's been some horrific moments like that. Dude, remember the...

222:20Who was the one guy? I can't remember his fucking name, but he... Ray Mercer versus Tommy Morrison. Wait a minute. That's from Rocky, right? Yeah. No, no, no. You never saw that one? No. That might be the worst one ever. I'm talking about the guy who... He didn't die in the ring, but he had all this promise. Oh, Gerald McClellan. Maybe that's what I'm talking about. That's 100% who you're talking about. Yeah. He was the guy that was a rival for Roy Jones Jr. So as Roy Jones Jr. was a champ and he was a champ and he fought Nigel Benn and he almost put Nigel Benn out in the first round but they collided heads at one point in the fight and Nigel Benn Hit him with some real good punches and he went down and took a knee and then he went back to his corner and He he quit and they couldn't believe that he like he took a ten count and everyone's like

223:08I can't believe he's taking a ten count and he went back to his corner and he was so fucked up that he just slumped over. Yeah, this is him. So he had Nigel Benn in all sorts of trouble, knocked him out of the ring, right? Nigel Benn was one of the toughest motherfuckers to ever box. He got back in the ring and survived. So Nigel Benn knocked out of the ring, and here's him after that. So Jerry McClellan is just emptying the fucking gas tank here, just swinging with everything he had, and Jerry McClellan was a fucking murderous puncher. He knocked everybody out. So he was assuming he was about to knock Nigel Benn out too. But Nigel Ben wasn't going anywhere. And so Gerald McClellan got fucking drained. And then Nigel started catching him. Look at that. Left hook. Nigel catches him. And Gerald tags him again. Right hand. Uppercut. But Nigel Ben just kept coming. And look. He catches him with that right hand.

223:57Look at that left hook. Imagine being that hurt in the first round. And Nigel Ben just comes storming out later in the fight. Yeah. It's crazy. The resilience. Crazy the endurance. So Gerald McClellan emptied his gas tank. And Nigel's catching him now. Catches them with a big left hook and at one point in time they collided heads and it was a bad one It was like a bang And you think that's what did it no no no it was all these punches for sure But it was like I think it was a collision of heads as well that someone had identified that was really bad But he hit him with some fucking bombs Look he dropped him again. So Gerald eventually comes back and drops Nigel again the eighth round and Nigel gets back up And he's like still not going anywhere boom hits him with the left hook. This is after getting dropped again

224:45I'm at the hit the motherfucker with everything you got look at this combination boom Nigel over the top of that right hand So that what the point is this was a fucking war and there's another brilliant one. So we see like where he takes a knee Boom look at that right hand another right hand. So that's where it was. That's where he takes a knee This is sad. So he decided to stay down so he gets hit he gets i guess he got up for the first one right is that what they're saying oh so he goes down a second time so this is a second and then look you see him like wincing in pain like holding his head and that's when he decided to stay down and so everybody's like i can't believe he you know he quit on his knee like that but then he went back into his corner and he slumped and uh he really never recovered he went to the hospital and he's alive still but

225:36he's like severely disabled and i believe he's blind and what did it cause like a brain bleed yeah yeah yeah i mean that's the risk that these guys are taking man i mean that's a crazy sport you're you're throwing haymakers at each other with like thick padding over the top of it and that's that's him today and this like greatly affected roy jones jr too because you got to think that roy and him almost fought right like they that was like a big super fight that people were setting up for the future. And if Roy and him down the line did wind up fighting, that could have been Roy or that could have been Gerald. It could have been either one of them. When two guys are that good and they're swinging the way those guys were at each other. My money would have still been on Roy, though. Roy in his prime was fucking stupid. He was ridiculous. In his prime, no one could touch him.

226:27He would win entire rounds without even being hit. To me, you know what I compare Roy to? It's Anderson Silva. Well, where it's similar in that way, but there was just so dominant for a while and he would win in such stylish fashion You know where it was it wasn't just that he was winning, but he just made you look silly You know he was doing movie shit. He was doing movie shit Roy put his hand behind his back and then knocked guy with one punch Yeah, but his hand behind his back ducked and then popped him with a right hand and knocked him out But just like both is like eventually it catches up to you where it's like, you know It's like you hit an age where like you don't realize but you just a millisecond slower. Yeah There's that there's also this other speculation that speculation is that he went up to heavyweight to fight John Ruiz

227:10And so you had a pack on weight and then he went back down to light heavyweight And I think the losing the weight to get back down diminished him severely and then he fought Antonio Tarver And Antonio Tarver was a murderous puncher and a motherfucker of a boxer Antonio Tarver could box, and he said in the ring to Roy, because they had had one fight previously where it went to a decision, and Roy had some excuses, I guess. And so he says in the ring for the second fight, you got any excuses tonight, Roy? The referee goes, any questions? Any questions? And he goes, you got any excuses tonight, Roy? And Roy didn't say anything. And Tarver wound up knocking him out. And then after that, he just kept getting knocked out, right? He got knocked out bad after that. What do you think that is when after somebody gets knocked out?

227:59It's almost like it's easier to knock them out of today. Well, he fought Glenn Johnson after that who is a very talented Contender who people like I think Glenn Johnson was a little older at the time and maybe people overlooked him He like he really had great success like later in his career But Glenn Johnson knocked out Roy in a scary knockout pull that one up Glenn Johnson Roy Jones jr That was a scary one because this was after the Tarver one but the Tarver one he was kind of he was conscious But he was fucked up. I mean Tarver cracked him and he went down, but he was out right But he was moving around this one's even scarier because he bangs the back of his head when he goes down and This was the comeback fight right and so Glenn Johnson was like a suitable comeback opponent But nobody told Glenn Johnson that like Glenn Johnson came to that fight to win and Glenn Johnson has his high guard

228:53He's like really difficult style to deal with and super super tough guy Just very very skillful And you know this was Roy coming off of getting KO'd and whenever a guy comes off of getting KO'd the odds of him getting KO'd Again go up. I don't know. It depends on the person some of them. It doesn't go up at all Some of them it only goes up slightly, but some of them it goes up a lot for whatever reason It might be the damage they took from the first knockout. It could be a lot of factors Look at this. Boom, he hits him with that right hand. Look how he goes out. He goes out stiff. He banged his head off the ground. Like, watch that again. Because it is a fucking brutal series of punches he hits him with. Here it is. So he gets him up against the ropes, sets him up with the right hand, and boom, he's out. One hard right hand to the side of the head, and Roy's out. That was a rough one.

229:44But that's nothing like Ray Mercer versus Tommy Morrison. Do you think it's like your brain going, we're not taking any chances? Probably. Like, go down. There's probably something to that. Get Ray Mercer versus Tommy Morrison. This one was one of the worst. And this one was one after the movie. So Ray Mercer, people thought about him as this gold medalist in the Olympics, murderous puncher. He was a guy who was on the up. He was coming up. And somehow or another, they set him up with Tommy Morrison, who was a very good boxer and had beaten some good guys. But he was just coming off of this movie. So he was the fucking in the Rocky movies and he's fighting a guy that's just been doing nothing but boxing. Now, Tommy Morrison's a movie star now and he's a young guy. He's got to be distracted. I mean, he's got to be not focused. Right.

230:32And he's fighting a guy that he probably would have lost to anyway because Ray Mercer was a motherfucker. And so Tommy is doing well in the fight for a while. But then Mercer eventually catches him because Tommy starts getting tired. And that's one of the things about Tommy Morrison. If you look at Tommy Marson in the early stages of his fights, he was always better. He would fade. And eventually, Ray Mercer catches him. And he hits him with that right hand. Now watch this. Boom. He's in trouble here, right? Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Now this is why it's the worst one ever. Bro. He's tangled up in the ropes. And the referee is too small to pull Mercer off of him. So he hits him with multiple punches while he's out cold. Look at this. This is over now. The referee doesn't get in there. Look how he gets in there. The referee's just like, hey, you, stop. Hey, you. He's scared because he's a little old guy.

231:21He shouldn't be referee in this fight. These are two elite heavyweights. These are enormous men. And this poor referee is old, got a little potbelly. He doesn't want to dive in there and get fucking murked. Yeah, yeah, you're right. And so because of that, Tommy Morrison takes haymakers. So he's out cold, and Ray Mercer's just full blast, teeing off. And another left hook after that. while the referee was holding onto his arms. Bro. Damn. That might be the worst. Did he survive? He lived. But he was never the same boxer again. No, no way. He beat some good guys after that. He actually beat George Foreman after that. Yeah, old George Foreman. Old George Foreman. He won a decision off of old George Foreman. Look at that left hook. Boom, boom, boom. Right hand. I mean, this is horrendous, dude. We're looking at it from a different angle now. Look at this. I mean, come on, man. Boom.

232:13And then still, he's fully out cold and he got hit four or five times clean. This is like Benny Perrette all over again. This easily could have been the end of his life. Yeah, for sure. Easily could have been and probably changed his brain. Because right here, like, I mean, what is this ref waiting on? I mean, but seriously, dude, like, this probably changed his brain forever. Yeah, I mean, what? This is crazy. What is it this ref is waiting to see? I don't know, man. That is a crazy beating. Because when you see a motherfucker getting hit in the face and they're not trying to stop it, the fight's over. You need a big referee with big men. You need someone who can separate those guys. You need Herb Dean. He be diving in like he diving for first base. Mark Goddard. Mark Goddard's a big guy. Big John McCarthy was always great at it. He's a big guy. You want a big guy for big guys.

233:05I don't want no little motherfucker in there to protect him. Not like that because that's not protect. That guy didn't. he didn't want to just dive in there and separate who's who's pulling in gone who off you oh my god you know what i'm saying you need somebody that could at least move that motherfucker yeah yeah you know christ when in gana when he knocked out alistair over him and then fucking hammer fisted him when he was unconscious and he got i mean and that was just in the nick of time just in the nick but can you imagine a referee being late on that oh my god like letting him hit him two or three more times? Oh my God. While he's out cold. And he's not going to stop. He's not going to stop until the referee pulls him off. That's his job. Yeah. His job is not to stop when the guy's unconscious. His job is to stop when the referee says stop. Yeah. Because the people have stopped

233:52when they thought a guy was out and then the guy was okay and winds up winning a fight, which is the craziest thing to say. But I've seen it on these local circuits. It does happen. Guys walk away and the guy gets up and winds up winning the fight somehow. I'm pretty sure I've seen that. I might be talking shit. When a guy's concussed, though, they don't get up, right? Like, when they do that? No. No. No, those guys don't generally get up. Nah. I mean, different people, it's like different kinds of concussions are different. But I've never. Different kinds of knockouts are different. Some people get knocked out and they come back and they're like, what happened? Oh, fuck, man. And then they seem fine. When I used to be all judgmental, I'd be like, he didn't have to hit him again. But it's like, I'm not a fighter. I don't fucking know. Dude, they don't have to.

234:35And people do applaud people that don't hit someone while they're out. Like, they showed really good judgment there. That's great. Like, Mark Hunt was the king of the walkaway chaos. Mark Hunt would uppercut you and just walk away. He knew. He'd watch you crumble and, like, you're not getting up. Yeah. Yeah, but then there's the opposite, like, the Black Beast. Derek Lewis? Derek Lewis. Derek Lewis, he liked to see people get hurt. He hits you when you're out. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's his job. And one for good measure. Yeah, I was like, you hit. His job is the referee has to pull him off. The referee has to stay stopped. The referee has to get him to stop. He's like a Genghis Khan type of motherfucker. He's a bad man. Very bad man. Yeah. The hardest puncher, like, probably ever. He hits guys. He hit Curtis Blade so hard. It was just a short uppercut. Boom. And Curtis just went flat out. Yeah.

235:27He's one of those people that's truly never out of a fight. Never. Because remember when he hurt his back? Yeah. And when he came back, he wasn't the same. Well, it sometimes locks up on him still. Yeah, but he still. Oh, he's always so dangerous, man. Still. When he fought Alexander Volkov, he was losing that fight. Didn't he knock out Ngannou? No, he beat Ngannou by a very boring decision. Oh, okay. It was one of the most boring fights of all time. Neither guy engaged. And there's like Derek apparently had a fucked up back, and Francis was like dealing with just losing to Stipe. And so he didn't engage much. He's like uncharacteristically apprehensive. But that fight probably, I think that fight turned Francis into a fucking monster. Well, he came back from that like a beast. And he knocked out Curtis Blades in one of his fights. He knocked out Junior Dos Santos. And the knockout of Stipe was just horrific.

236:16Like that knockout was wild. Like that knockout was just, you know, it just showed, first of all, it showed how good he had gotten. Because it wasn't just that he knocked him out. He did it patiently and with technique. And he took him down a couple times. Right? No. He didn't go to the ground with Stipe? No, I don't believe so in the second fight. Then what fight am I remembering then? The first fight. I'm pretty sure the second fight was only taken, only took place on the feet. I'm pretty sure. No, because that, no, no. The first fight, Stipe took him down a bunch of times. No, I'm talking about Ngannou. Took down Stipe? I remember Ngannou taking a fight to the ground. Oh, no, no, no. That was Cyril Ghan. Okay, right, right, right. This is like the misinformation boxing and MMA podcast. You're right, because I'm too, I'm too, my memory's all fucked up right now. That's the week!

237:00But you're right, it's the Serogon fight. Yeah, that was because Ngannou went into that fight with a torn ACL. Ah. Yeah, so his leg was fucked up. He tore his ACL and his MCL. So he had two fucked up ligaments in his knee. What? So why fight? Because he wanted to win, and he wanted that money. And he thought he could beat him even with a fucked up knee, and he was right. So then after the fight, Ngannou got surgery. So he hasn't been back since. And what they're trying to set up is Francis Ngannou versus Jon Jones. Man And here's my thing Hey Francis I'm a huge fan bro But please don't fight Jon Jones With nothing broken You know what I'm saying Well they fixed his knee Oh okay Yeah he's got He's had knee surgery He's rehabilitated it He's back You know I don't know what level Of rehabilitation Has been completed But he's on track He's been surgically repaired Bruh I'm seeing that fight Yeah He's also using

237:55The UFC PI I think He was using them A while he uses them for some things the PI the Performance Institute. Okay, there's a bunch of experts there They could give you good methods of like healing injuries And they they're up on the latest science and you know latest studies about they have a great facility to the facilities Fantastic match is filled with heavy bags and in the cage we could film all your sparring sessions hype for that fight Oh my god But wait a minute. It's going to be the biggest fight of all time. You think John is going to, like, you think that's going to be his first fight back? Yeah, I do. Yeah, I think that's exactly what John wants to do. I think it's a bad idea, but also I think he has his ego, the way his ego is set up, he likes the idea of doing something that people think is crazy that can't be done. I don't think it's a bad idea. No? No. I don't think it's a bad idea at all.

238:53Well, let me ask you this. I think, first of all, both guys are going to be out of condition for a while, or out of competition, rather, for a while. John's been out for a couple years now, and Francis will be out for a year because of his surgery. True. So whenever it does take place, let's say they try to make it take place in the spring. So if they do make it take place in the spring, that is a long time off for both guys. It's longer for Francis, for sure. but it's still they both have like a little bit of a layoff no it's longer for john oh i'm sorry longer for john for sure right that's what i meant i meant to say the other way it's uh it favors francis for sure because francis is only like a year whereas john is a couple years but a year's a long time to not fight i mean i don't know if it's any better or worse to do it once a year

239:40versus twice in or once every two years i don't know both of them will give you a certain amount But also John's not only been out for two years, but now he's moving up a weight class. He's never fought a heavyweight But he's trained with a lot of heavyweights and the results were very favorable The stories that I had heard from Jackson wink about John Jones and heavyweights Made made me think like why isn't he just find heavyweight because like at a certain point time when he was dominating the light heavyweight division There was some discussion about that, you know when he Like after he knocked out Daniel Cormier, you know, like there was a lot of discussion about him I'm like, would he ever move up? Here it says, UFC 285 odds. Whoa. John Jones is betting underdog against Francis Ngannou, but healthy favorite to wallop Curtis Blades. Oh, so this is the story behind that.

240:25So if Francis is not ready in time, if he's injured still, because, you know, knee rehabilitation, it's a tricky thing. And, you know, you're not getting, like, updates of how he's doing every day. So he might be training and might tweak it. Guys do that all the time. Yeah. And then it's another three months or another four months. And you definitely can't fight that man with a torn nothing. With a torn nothing. No. Especially not John when it comes to wrestling, right? Because he's going to utilize that advantage that he has. John Jones took down Daniel Cormier. You got to always remember that. Oh, yeah. I remember. But everybody's got to remember that. Because you think about, like, he was a junior college level champion. You know, he was an elite wrestler. But that's just because he went to junior college.

241:11Like if John Jones was in another school like a division one school he would have been a champion there too John Jones was a motherfucker of a wrestler and the way he takes guys down the UFC and the way he would like manhandle guys He's got immense physical strength Like it's it's fucking immense and he knows how to fight man. He knows how to win fights He knows how to do the right thing at the right time. He figured he's just he's got a like an octagon IQ that's as high as anybody ever He just no any he's also long as shit. So he knows how to use that length and I think he he also has that little extra something Yeah, he's crazy where he he don't he doesn't care if you die Like the way he the way he throws some of them elbows is almost like he doesn't care if that elbow crushes your fucking skull You know There's a little more intent with him when you see him hit people. He's a bad man

242:02He's a bad man. One of the scariest John Jones finishes was when he choked unconscious Leo to Machida and just dropped him. Yeah, standing up? Yeah. He had him in a standing guillotine, put him to sleep, and just dropped him like a sack of potatoes. Yeah. That was dark. Yeah. That was dark. And what kind of dog does he have? He says a Malinois? Malinois. A Malinois. Malinois. A Malinois. Belgium Malinois. They're dangerous dogs. Yeah, it's crazy to have that. They're little raptors. Yeah. Yeah. He's a different kind of person, man. He does tactical training all day, dude. You ever see those videos that he posts? He's really good. He's, like, very skillful with guns. I stopped following him. I'm still a fan, but, like, the day-to-day social media shit, I don't, I, very rarely do I follow the people that I really like because I don't want, it's like, I'd rather just like what you do. You know what I mean? I get it.

242:55I don't want to see your everyday shit. Yeah. Yeah. I get it. Some people overshare. yeah or or or or it's like or it's like there's a because because you're you're in a position now where you can meet you can meet almost whoever you want and it's like how many times have you met somebody you've been a fan of for years and there's just been a disappointment you know what i mean yeah that does happen but also doesn't happen like i met jared leto and he's really cool oh yeah really nice guy really fun he was friends with theo but you're definitely rolling the dice you're rolling the dice but every now and i don't even know man it's like i've met enough of them that I'm thinking maybe I'm prejudiced. Maybe I was just... You look at famous people, in particular, actors, and you just almost want them to be douchebags. So you look at it in a biased sense. Chris Pratt is one of the nicest people

243:43I've ever met in my life. He's so friendly. Didn't we meet him in Vegas? I think I met him in Vegas with you. Yes, I believe you did. I believe you did. He's the sweetheart. He's the nicest guy. He's a legitimate Christian and a really kind, friendly person. Yeah. I went elk hunting with him. Yeah, I mean, you know what? He's nice to everybody, man. It's not fake. He's a really, really good guy. What I've noticed is that the people that are secure in their careers are usually cool people. Yeah, but it's like, how are you secure in that business? It's always in flux. You're always coming and going. I think he's at peace with that. He's at peace with that. It's just like when you meet Jim Carrey or somebody like that or Keanu Reeves and you hear about how nice and how sweet they are. And it's like, I think they've just come to peace with as much as that business can fuck you up.

244:42Because the reason Hollywood fucks you up is because they start making you care about things that aren't real or don't really matter. And you lose sight of what really matters. But but the people that hold on to what matters like like it's like it's oxygen They they're the ones that come out the other side like pretty okay Yeah, you can you can do it, you know, it's like you can win the Tour de France people have won it Because for most people it's just a pressure cooker that fucks with your head to a point where it's really hard to maintain Especially when you're a star right and nobody will Smith and nobody checks you nobody ever goes. Hey, bitch be quiet Will Smith you know right right like how long has it been since somebody's been like shut your stupid ass up that guy That moment was the first moment like that probably ever for him

245:27Where he lost control well not just that he lost control. He did it publicly. He showed his ass in front of the whole world And he's humiliated by it Everybody was mad at him. There's a few people that supported him initially Like you don't talk shit about girls go you know man's girlfriend, but they he didn't even talk shit It was a mild joke. It was like a dad joke. Now he's trying to make the comeback with the Slave movie. Well, I don't think. I think they were already filming that. I think it's already out. Yeah, but I think they were already working on that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think he's just hoping that people forget. I might be wrong about that. But I was under the impression they were. Was that true, Jimmy? Or they made it in the last five months, which seems a little. No, no, no. Yeah, I think they were already working on that. Is it out on Apple TV already? Yeah. But you know what, though?

246:13I don't know because I'm so much, like pretty much everyone in my life is a comedian. So it's hard for me to know if the average person feels the way I feel. Because it's hard for me to overlook it. Yeah, you don't have to overlook it. You know, just forgive them. People do stupid shit and they lose their fucking head and they do things in a way that they think is justified. Whether it's because they're famous or because it's deserved or the relationship they have with their significant other that leads them to believe that they have to defend that woman or she's going to be upset at them later. And they would rather just go on stage and smack Chris Rock in front of everybody. But you can tell that he had lost his mind because he was saying, keep my wife's name out your fucking mouth. And he was saying it. And the whole place was silent. And he had to realize that the whole place was silent.

247:04And he had to realize why those words were coming out of his mouth. This was on television and the Academy Awards and he was scheduled to win an Oscar And he's like am I still winning this fucking Oscar? Like what is gonna happen now? What did I what the fuck did I do with them then to have it go from that? To not knowing how the world's perceiving it Then you go on stage and you cry and you apologize and they give you an Oscar and everyone gives you a standing ovation So you think it's over? yeah until you so maybe there's no wi-fi at the oscars you know what's that they knew what was going on there's people talking to them like in the commercial breaks right but i don't think they i don't think he probably fully grasped after everyone gave him a standing ovation i bet he still thought he was okay yeah man because you got to understand the

247:58a lot i think a lot of i mean he was dancing at the fucking party the after party yeah puff daddy came up on stage like we're gonna have to talk about this later yeah i mean he shouldn't have done it and they you know like it's a fucking tremendous mistake but the miscalculation is that you don't control twitter man but it's also are you gonna like you're gonna like dismiss all the great movies that guy's made i am legend no i robot all these i mean he made some killer fucking movie is he like useless now no no like let the guy realize he fucked up i mean chris rock is the one who really has to forgive him if he forgives him if he forgives him it's basically over i think and i think he will eventually maybe maybe chris is like that was like his sign that you know that all that but to be smacked in the face and then they give that same

248:55guy a standing ovation like these are these are the people i'm working with these people i think that shit unlocks some shit exactly well dude he's been murdering murder like like old school bring the pain chris rock and yeah because i think i think he got freed because like i said it's like you know patrice called it the golden handcuffs it's like the deeper you get in hollywood it's The more they give you, the more they give you, the more they give you. But all that shit come with at any time we can yank it away. Yeah. And it's like as soon as you stop giving a fuck about all that, like take it, motherfucker. Like if you have that. Yeah. I think it opens up something for you. Also, at the same time, he starts going on tour with Dave Chappelle. Yeah. Which is amazing. So he was doing his own tour and then Dave and him combined. And then they're doing a series of shows. They did London.

249:43They're doing all over the fucking world. And they're taking rigging on them. Yep. Took rigging on them. I ran into them. We all had, we went to Pasta Bar. Phillip's place. Here? Yeah. Oh, that must have been great. Oh, it was amazing. Chris and I, we texted each other. And after the shows, I had a show with the Vulcan. And he had a show with the fucking giant. Phillip is dope, man. He's the best. We went to his house for Thanksgiving. Yeah, he's the best. Yeah, these motherfuckers had the nerve to have a potluck. Oh, no. Right. Phillip Franklin Lee. Right, right. Phillip Franklin Lee is like one of the best chefs in the world. And his wife is one of the best pastry chefs in the world. And all of us are bringing our little fucking, you know, our little dishes to there. So he set us up at Pasta Bar late night. They did a late night seating. It was me and Chris and who else? William Montgomery went, Tony Hinchcliffe.

250:30Oh, shit. Oh, yeah, dude. It was amazing. A couple of Chris's friends, we had a great fucking time. They gave us wine pairings and food. We ate till like 1.30 in the morning. Yeah, that's the one thing that would make me break my... Because I think I'm gonna because I'm gonna do what you said. I'm like we're gonna do a public Weight loss thing I'm gonna go hold the whole month of January Don't think of it as weight loss. This is what you gotta think lifestyle change. Yes adjustment. Yes. Just think of it as A life change. Yeah, like and you can do it. It's not that hard if you can do stand-up you could do this Yeah, all you have to do is like I was telling you about that sober October thing like, you know Committing to 500 calories or committing to writing for two hours. Just commit to doing a certain amount of exercise every day And you don't have to make it 500 calories. That's a lot

251:17You should you build up to that but you could start off with 150 start off with 150 calories That's a reasonable amount of calories for one workout. Oh burning that man. Yeah, burning I thought you meant only eating that. I mean, I was like No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no it's not enough to just know what to do, but the will to do it, to like will yourself past your, like you say it every day, your inner bitch. Yeah. The ability, because you've seen a man whose wife is like mean to them

252:13and you just look at him like, oh, you poor motherfucker. It's like, and it's like, that's what it's like, your inner bitch is like, make, belittling you and to stand up to that. Yeah. That's a muscle that I haven't, and that's what it is. Just the discipline to make myself do something every day other than comedy. Because that was my problem, is I let everything fall by the wayside to do comedy, to just focus on comedy. And it worked. It made me good at comedy pretty quick. But now that I'm in the midst of the success, you've got to be healthy to do this, To actually be on the road every weekend and constantly writing and constantly auditioning. It beats you up if you're not. Yeah. And I let all of that go. And it's like, now I got to focus on that. But the most important thing is you've done it before. So you can get in shape again. Oh, yeah. I can definitely get in shape again.

253:09All you have to do is make a number and do that number every day. So we'll get you a polar chest strap. That's what I use. You can use any one you want. But the chest strap seems to be the one. It's a heart monitor. Oh, okay. So it works with an application. So you put it on it's a strap you wrap it around It's a little sensor sits right here and you have an app on your phone and you start your workout And it'll tell you when it'll tell you what your heart rate is at any given time and it'll tell you when you get to Whatever your calorie goal is so you just decide on You know whatever the number is whether you want I think 150 is a good number to start with and you just do it every fucking day Every single day don't ever take a day off take every unless you're sick if you're sick don't work out but if you're not sick don't take the day

253:57off you don't work out when you're sick no oh no when i'm sick i give my body a chance to recover because you know what i hear in my head when i whenever when i was taking care of myself and i would be sick you know what i would hear that dude fuck i forget his fucking name but you know who i'm talking about he had a heart thing but at first he had he had the uh the he had the record. C.T. Fletcher? C.T. Fletcher. That's my man. It's just your fucking set. Yeah. Yeah! I would always hear that. My daughter was wearing his hoodie the other day. Really? And I said, do you know what that stands for? She doesn't. She goes, no. I go, it's, this is my 14 year old so it's okay. I go, it's still your motherfucking set. Right! And she goes, no it doesn't. I go, that's what that means. That's what it means. That's what it means. That's C.T. Fletcher. It's still your motherfucking set. That's that mentality. It is.

254:46He had a crazy mentality when it comes to work ethic and pushing himself. He's got like that David Goggins, whatever the fuck gene they got. It's just drive. Bro, imagine if you imagine if you could get David Goggins to if you could mix the genes of David Goggins and John Jones's mom. Because don't forget, she has a she has a their other son. Her other son is in the NFL. Yeah. Well, you know, it's the grandma. The grandma. Oh, OK. He John Jones told me he's like this is grandma's where we get all our genes from what is grandma grandma is like a super athlete No way What is who is it? You should see her she's she's such a specimen of womanhood. She's still alive. She's still alive And what'd she do? I don't know man but she'd fuck me up If that lady was mad at me I'd be fucking terrified. Yeah, I bet I bet for real and like his brothers

255:40A star in the NFL and his other brothers a star in the NFL. Yeah, and both of them could have fought Both of them could have fought and his brother I think is I think Arthur had done a lot of M. I think it's his brother Arthur. Is that the bigger one? He's done a bunch of... Chandler's the bigger one. Chandler's younger, Arthur's older though. I think it's the older brother. I think it's Arthur. Arthur's done a bunch of MMA training. There's like videos of him training and people were speculating that he was gonna have a fight. Do you... Dude, that's a family. Do you think? Yeah. but out of all of them I mean look what John Jones has done man for fighting man yeah it's incredible because the thing is that's his grandma look at her she's so strong man but as athletic as the whole family is none of them are the greatest at what they're doing he's the greatest yeah well it's hard I think GSP is the

256:37and again this is me being a slightly above filthy casual. But I think GSP is the only person where you could really make an argument. For all-time great? Yeah. You can make an argument for Khabib, too. Khabib, he retired undefeated. John Jones is also undefeated, I should say. John Jones has one loss on his career. And it's a bullshit. And it's a bullshit loss. Yeah. Where he destroyed the dude, but he was hitting him with downward elbows, which is the dumbest fucking rule in the game. Right. The absolute dumbest rule in the game. You can hit a guy with any kind of elbow except for a downward elbow that makes zero sense You can block that the same way you block any other kind of elbow right side elbows downward elbow You can figure out a way to block it. You just gotta it has to be a weapon It's it's the reason why it was made illegal is so stupid

257:25It's it has to do with people being ignorant way back in the early days of MMA. Okay. Yeah Because it doesn't you break bricks with it on TV so you can't have that knock to you on it's too dangerous really that's that's how big john mccarthy talks about it it was his experience with these people trying to like bro these athletic commissions they are so slow to change some of them are some of them are really good california is really good yeah but they've never i don't guess is really good they're because i remember seeing something recently about like the biggest like bullshit decisions and how like i don't think they've ever overturned uh an mma decision the the nevada people i don't think they've ever overturned even the most egregious unfair bullshit they've never overturned yeah i don't think they have either i don't know if that's a fact but i i don't know

258:11with any offhand that i could just pull i could pull a lot of shit out of the top of my head what's the most so it's like you got john jones you got khabib you got gsp i still say bj penn is prime at lightweight was motherfucker you for sure have khabib you know there's some there's Camaro could have been right there. Yeah. If Camaro didn't lose to Leon, if Camaro just moved away for that last minute of that last round and didn't get head kicked, people would be talking about Camaro in that same category. They already were. Dominated everybody, man. And he might still come back. He might still come back. But he's had some real problems with his injuries. Knee injuries that are real bad. Hand injury that he had to get surgery on. He's had some real problems. He's always like remember when he I think when he won the title His if something wrong with his foot well, he I think so well

259:04He also had bad knees forever like real bad like since college just like wrestling Yeah Real bad like fucked up cartilage like constant pain were like he had to go downstairs backwards While he was training for a fight His knees were in so much pain that he'd go downstairs backwards And then when he would walk on like sidewalks and there's grass next to it He'd walk on the grass because it didn't hurt his knees That's the kind of pain. That's the kind of mental strength he has to be able to fight He's just willfully destroying his knees and if you look at his body His legs like the strength this the size and the musculature of his legs is not Comparable to the musculature of his upper body and I've always wondered if that's related Because if you look at his upper body, he's fucking shredded and jacked But he has fairly small legs for a guy that big but like severe knee problems

259:54You know, I think about it all the time, but, man, fighters are the most used up and thrown away for what they give up for the chance to be great. You know? But if you can do it, the glory for many of them. Yeah, but even after the glory, we throw them away. Well. The moment they start getting knocked out, people start. Their time is done. You know, the thing is, like, do they deserve more? What do they deserve? They deserve them. Well, some of them get to do commentary, which is great. Like DC has transitioned into commentary, which is brilliant. It's perfect. The perfect amount of losses, the perfect time in his life. He steps out. That's a wrap. And he's good at it. He's very good at it. And he has a unique skill set in wrestling. He can describe wrestling better than anybody. But a lot of fighters, though, in their career, they out here sounding like Herschel Walker. Yeah.

260:48Dominic Cruz is really good at it, too. So is Michael Bisping. So is Paul Felder. There's a lot of guys that wind up doing other stuff and they become successful at it. It's totally possible. It's just real hard. It's a real hard transition because there's more people that's like. Yeah. Mark Hunt where like they end up having to fight well past their primes just to keep food on the table. Do you know Mark Hunt just won beat an undefeated boxer by knockout? What? Yep. In Australia. Huge, huge fight. This guy was this up-and-coming undefeated prospect and it was this big deal that he was gonna fight Mark Hunt Mark Hunt was a huge underdog and knocked this dude out cold You wanna watch it? Let's watch it. Yeah, this podcast a thousand hours long. I know right how long we've been talking hours at 630 Four and a half hours what right Simpson. We haven't even got up to pee

261:39I know dude. I got up this so bad. So we'll watch this and we'll wrap this up Let's give props to Mark Hunt. A legend. A legit legend. I mean, Mark Hunt. Was it in K-1? No, it was in Australia. It was a boxing match. Mark Hunt boxing match. I think the dude's initials were RSV or something like that. I wasn't aware of who this dude was. A month ago? Yes. He's an undefeated young boxer. And it was supposed to be a fight where he was going to show the world. Because Mark Hunt is this famous UFC fighter. K-1 champion. Marcon went to K-1 Grand Prix way back in the day. Marcon's been fighting forever. He was nasty with it. Dude. A tank. Also had the greatest chin of all time. He got head kicked by Cro Cop and got right back up. Weird. When Cro Cop was wearing shoes, Cro Cop was wearing wrestling shoes. Oh, yeah. And he head kicked him.

262:33Yo, why do you think it is that people don't stay atop the heavyweight division that long? It's the power those guys have. Yeah. You get hit by a guy that big. So many people that were heavyweights where it was like, this person's the GOAT. And then the next person's like, no, it was this person. If you're a guy like, here it is. Best video I could find. Boom, boom, boom. So this is Mark Hunt teeing off. And this is this young, undefeated fighter. Sonny Bill Williams was his name. Sonny Bill Williams. SBW. That's it. And Mark Hunt just KO'd him. How does Mark Hunt even still talk straight? He talks great. Yeah. Dude, he's got no problem. Whatever that gene is, you get more CTE if you have that gene. That's like that Samoan gene. APOE4. Yeah, exactly. Oh, there's a... Hold on, are you serious? Yes. There's a gene. There's a gene that leads you to have a higher likelihood of CTE. Wow. I believe it's called APOE4. Yeah.

263:26Brian Simpson, I love you to death. Let's go pee. Let's go pee, dude. This is a lot of fun. Do some shows tonight. Yeah, love you too, man. Thank you. Hello. Love you too. Bye.