Jeremy Stephens

00:00Man, totally. Five, four, three, two, one. Ta. Jeremy Stevens. What's up, buddy? Good to see you, man. Yeah, you too, man. Thanks for having me back. My pleasure, brother. What's cracking? Uh, I just see skulls, you know. Skulls are cracking indeed. You're coming off of a gigantic victory, man, over Hen Bar, who was uh just a little while ago consensus top three pound-for-pound fighter in the world. Man, that was a big victory. Yeah. Yeah. I think that was before uh USADA, you know. Yeah. Coming in and I feel like it's on level playing fields and you kind of wonder who would be champions. For people who don't know what we're talking about, USADA, the US anti-doping agency, uh was hired by the UFC to clean up the sport. And god damn, bodies are dropping. Massive, dude. Massive bodies are dropping. I watched the documentary on uh uh the cyclist uh Lance Armstrong and just watch how that

00:56guy just lied and and manipulated his way and you know people were just calling the the smoke and long time before that and then uh you know here comes Nitzky who's a pretty like scary dude if you ever met him nice nice as uh nice as can be awesome dude but you know he means business man he's really trying to catch the cheaters and and uh I'm I'm actually happy because I' I've always tooken pride in being a natural man and if I feel like you need to are pumping steroids. Maybe it's time for you to get out, you know. But, uh, I I I love it, you know. Well, Lance Armstrong's defense, that entire sport was dirty. That's a different sport because if you like when the It's really crazy cuz all the years he won, they like took his titles away, right? And while he still has all those He's been on the podcast, I talked to him. He's a good dude, man. But he's in a bad He was in a bad spot.

01:43If they took his title away and they gave it to the next person that didn't test positive, it'd be 18th place. That's how dirty that sport is. Yeah. Dirty, dirty, dirty sport. Yeah. And I was asking him, I was like, "Well, what, you know, he's he doesn't know what they're doing today." But I'm like, "Well, how are they doing it today if they're still breaking records?" He's like, "We'll find out one day. We'll find out eventually." You know, one day that they're going to figure out what the these people are doing. But Nitzky was explaining all the weird little loopholes that people are finding like testosterone supplementation that comes from animals instead of from wild yams. Did you know that that's how they catch them? Yeah. Yeah. No, I've I've heard of people doing stuff like that, but I mean that that just seems insane. I mean, last time we're on the show, you

02:26were talking about how somebody was uh pulling out their blood and refrigerating it and and was that doping basically like EPO? That's Well, that's that is still going on. That's definitely still going on. And apparently the way they're supposed to be able to test that like you're not supposed to use an IV, right? Y and the reason why you're not supposed to use an IV is that somehow or another through introvenous fluids you can mask the effects of doping. So they also have been able to detect minuscule um plastic particles from the tubes that they use to uh put IV fluids back into your body. They've been able to detect those apparently, but no one's ever been caught for that. So that's what they would do. They would they would either use uh blood, that's your own blood, or in Lance Armstrong's case, a lot of other people were taking EPO, which makes your body produce more blood. But

03:16I think guys to this day are probably still putting blood back into their body. That's insane. I know. It gives you an advantage, you know, and that's kind of scary, you know? I mean, you cut drastic weight and then you're pulling blood and then, you know, with everything going on. Well, I know a dude that walked into a fighter's dressing room. Um, not dressing room, hotel room, and they had bags of blood in the hotel room. They they pulled his blood out so he could make weight. Yeah, you were telling me that last time. What? Last time. Yeah, that's freaky. That's freaky. Yeah, cuz that's not sanitary. You're not in a hospital. You're in some hotel room where people have been farting and shooting loads all over the place and who knows what's all over the walls. Yeah. You're just going to take your blood out in that environment? Like, that's creepy, man. Yeah, that was like You said that

04:02was like a long time ago, too. Yeah, that was a long time ago. Well, people have been they've been definitely cheating forever, but now we're seeing the effects of it. Like people's physiques are changing, the way they fight is changing, the way they look, their jaw. Yeah. Everything about them, their attitude, like their confidence, like some of these guys, like they've they're becoming different human beings. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I I the level playing field, people are getting knocked out, you know, their their bodies are changing and they're and they're seeing that their fight styles, guys are going undefeated and just all these rampages are like, man, he must be in great shape. He's just killing it in the fifth round and now he can't get past round one, two, you know, and you're just like, "Wow." Yeah. In the in the end, technique is king, right?

04:44Technique and and training and heart and courage and and cardio. Yeah. You look like a guy like Mighty Mouse where he fought uh Bagotinov and Bagotinov, he outcardioedoed the guy, beat his ass, especially going into the stretch was just completely outworking him. And at the end of the fight, Bagotino pops hot for EPO. Yep. So, even though this guy was on drugs, Mighty Mouse's technique and cardio and just his his ability to understand how to pace himself through a five round fight. Yeah. No, Mighty Mouse is he's uh he's interesting. I know you've been a big fan of him and I I've always enjoyed watching that guy. I mean, I can't fight like that guy, but to watch some of his techniques and the way he uses angles and footwork and how he lures you in in his clinch game is is uh is nasty. That dude's just nasty, you know. I wonder, and maybe you could give

05:30some insight on this, like you used to fight at 155 and now you got to cut to get down to 145. You're a pretty big guy, but Mighty Mouse is not a big guy. And I always wonder like could a guy like could a light heavyweight or a middleweight even could they possibly even fight like him or is that a gravity thing? Like is is part of what's going on with him the fact that he's so light like he can move faster? He's got like more options as far as like what he can do. Some people are uh blessed with a better integrated in their body such as like a neutral spine. A lot of people have like lumbar problems and neutral spine. You ever watch Mayweather? He you don't ever see him leaning. He's just always in constantly good posture and good position. And just like in wrestling, if you're in good position, more than likely you're going to win the fight. Mighty Mouse, he just has that

06:17type of movement and integrates his whole body where his body moves as one. It doesn't work against him. There's not like a lot of rattle in his body. Say if he throws a kick, he doesn't land awkward. He doesn't it goes he goes right back to a a neutral base and he's able to laterally move and constantly have his body working for him. So I think him naturally, he just has that type of gifts and benefits of his body. He's able to integrate his body to work as one. Therefore, you you don't waste a lot of energy. He has really fluid movement. Look at a a guy like uh Anderson Silva. He's able to beat people just by keeping his range and and just his movement of his body. He doesn't he doesn't swing like a Mark Hunt or or me where, you know, like I'll I'll throw a lot of powers and normally I miss, you know, I'm just trying to trying to reach him. But them guys, they just use fluid

07:00movement and that's I think uh some people are just blessed to have that integrated in their body in a good neutral spine and a good solid base and that's why they're able to connect on their shots a lot more. It's as it's competing disconnected like a say like a short circuit. If if there's like a small like little detail like this cord right here, say it's like it's like broken and you're not getting like the full amount of energy as where if you have a solid base and a good good spine, you know how to integrate your body to use as one, there's going to be a lot more of a sturdier connection and and more flow and fluid movement. I'm glad you brought that up because I've always I've always thought that about like efficiency that efficiency is very important and there are fighters that you you see like wasted movement or a lot of slop into the way they execute

07:40techniques and even if they have power like sometimes like they're they're so awkward with the way they do it that you got to think that there's a lot of waste as far as like the energy expenditure. But like so you think that that is a you you said blessed so you think that that's a natural ability. I think uh na natural some of it uh occurs that some people are able to integrate their body. If you ever just look up people's postures, some people just kind of they'll slouch. They'll kind of bend over and and it's posture and it's this thing's kind of actually Is it popping out? Yeah, popping. It always does that. We got to tape that down, Jamie. And uh you know that like like you said, it's a lot of wasted a lot of wasted movement as some people are just more integrated with their body. So they are a lot more efficient. You know, granted then you do you got to have the skills, the cardio

08:22and everything else, but I feel like if you have a good base and and plus the the fight skills, I I feel like you're going to be a lot more uh efficient and probably have longevity in your career as well with injuries and stuff. Do you think that that's from childhood? Like I've always wondered like there's some children that start off doing like gymnastics or uh like there's been a lot of guys uh in jiu-jitsu that have got into it that come from break dancing, which is kind of interesting. These are real recent. We've seen a lot of guys, but that ability to to move your body like at a young age, you develop like a real sense of I want to add just coordination, you know, the the just dexterity. So many different attributes that you develop when you're young and then your body grows into it. Yeah, it's intuition, you know, once you feel it. Like I I work with a like a movement

09:11guy, functional patterns, for for the long time. I learned how to integrate my body and to to not waste movement and and you know to activate my core, my my glutes, my groin all the way to like my feet being on my my two toes. If you ever notice people walk like duckfooted and stuff like that, it's like all problems in their hips. That's why you see like a lot of so you have like foam rollers and stuff. People roll out. But, you know, once you release mild fascia, there's there's corrective exercises you can do to kind of uh reprogram your your mind that you've been working on such a dysfunction you may not even know it. And uh there's there's ways to that you can integrate your body and neurologically reprogram your mind of like you know this is how I should be walking. This is how I should be integrating my body. And this helps out with posture and breathing. You know the

09:53Iceman Huff like says a lot of stuff about this and uh it's it's real interesting facts to facts to know because this is for everybody. People work down at a desk slouching over typing all the time got tight hip flexors. they're they're leaning, poor diet, you know, it it it like this uh go goes to anybody, you know, to learn how to integrate your body, power of posture, and uh this guy uh Nadia Aguilar from Functional Patterns really he taught me a lot about this and in movement and integrating your body and it it it just goes real deep. Well, there's a that's a controversial subject, right? movement coaches. Like there's a a lot of people that get involved with uh movement coaches and some people mock it and some people say, "Well, you should just be spending that time working on your fight training and your abilities, you know, your your your skill set and then just do cardio and

10:39explosive exercises." And then some people say, "No, you know, there that's good too, but the the ability to move efficiently in odd ways and carry your balance." Now, your guy, you said it's a functional patterns, that's what they call it. Yeah. You know, I you know, Conor McGregor has been been doing a lot of stuff with movement and uh you know, it's pretty good. That's great. Eido Porttowal. That guy's a freak. Have you ever seen him move? Yes. But here here's what he lacks. He he lacks uh integrating your body. He doesn't understand the the integration part as where uh Nadia Aguilar with functional patterns he teaches you how to kind of just sit still integrate your body and just hold these positions where I'm just standing still or on my toes without a lumbard extension or or you know if if I'm slouching he he he keeps a neutral spine throughout his whole

11:26movement. So he's using his body as one and he he has a little bit more of an integrated system as compared to just no one who knows even have to have a base and you just go into this movement and you're doing it all wrong while you're having like lumbard or you're you're slouching. He believes in integrating that that technique so your body works like you said more efficiently instead of working against you. Well, why do you think that Conor's doing it wrong? Like what what led leads you to think that? Just uh just by his posture. You can watch his posture or watch his knee. If his knee goes over his toe in like a certain movement or he has like a lumbard in his spine as compared if you watch like a naughty Agular, he'll teach you how to do that same type of movement. But you'll see the little minor details in in and little millimeters of a difference that may

12:09that makes you integrate your body so that your glutes are working with your with your core as you walk. And we walk in a everybody just does these like, you know, deadlifts and it's not like a good rotate as as humans. We rotate. We walk, you know, in fighting we move. And he he integrates everything as far as your core to your your groin to your to being on your power two toes. So that you're you're we keep saying that power two like two toes. What do you mean by that? You know, like uh say how you punch on like your main two fingers, the the two knuckles that are index finger and then the ring finger, right? Yeah. You know how you have like arches on your feet and you're kind of walking like look at my hands and you're walking like that on the outside. So then if I'm walking on the outside, my knees like this, say this, this is good. So now I'm integrating everything up to my groin,

12:51my glutes activated. But if I'm walking on the outside, your knee's going to your knee's going to your outer part of your knee is going to be taking more of the the the load and the damage, you know, then you're not integrating or growing. And that's how people end up actually. Is this the guy? This is him. Functional patterns. And what is his background? Uh, you know, the guy's just a freak, dude. He he knows a little bit about everything. And and right here, you notice like he doesn't really have any lumbar extension, which is like a lower back thing. Everything is really integrated. It's minor details in in the core and he's not shrugging his shoulders. He's he's using fluid movement and everything that he does is rotational. And what is his uh name again? I'm sorry. Naughty Aguular. Naughty Agular. And where is he out of? Uh he's out of Seattle. I met him in San

13:36Diego some years back. We used to we worked a lot and uh just on uh first we had to fix my body a lot. I was uh having elbow problems. I was having all types of problems. He taught me about mile fascia release and then I got into correctional exercises and once he was able to fix my base I was able to start moving and and getting into movements like this. So what we're looking at folks for the f folks that are just listening uh is uh this guy doing all this crazy movements with kettle bells and dumbbells and jumping around back and forth and he's doing all these flips through the air right now. Really interesting stuff though cuz see how his feet land and they don't they don't bow out. They don't they don't do this. And and I I've watched uh Idol, I think that's his name, and there's there's just these little details that he doesn't have that that he has and that he integrates where

14:24his knees don't his knees don't sway out. Like everything is seriously in a functional pattern. Like everything he doesn't he doesn't muscle anything to where like you're lifting. Everything is a fluid movement. He's allowing the swing almost like a cheat to allow your body to rotate. And it's uh it's it's really uh it's really changed my life uh work working with this guy and and the things that I that I've learned and and and uh the deficiencies in my body that that I really wasn't aware of back then that I'm uh working with now. And you know, I've been fighting for a long time and I've I've been able to keep healthy and injury-free by doing a lot of these movements, mild fascia release, and working on my posture, breathing. You know, people who are doing sprints at night, they you know, your nervous system still in like a fight orflight mode and you can't fall asleep. you

15:07know, there's such things as breathing to to help that out to I mean, you've been here with Iceman Huff and and hear his stuff. So, I mean, breathing is huge. So, I've learned a lot through this guy, actually. So, what you're saying is that doing uh sprints at night is not a good idea. No, it is. But I'm talking about, you know, you have to figure out a way to calm yourself down. Yeah. And that's by breathing. You know, some people are like, man, I can't sleep at night, but I but I ran. You know, it's like, okay, well, you can do that by breathing and and just kind of calming your nervous system down so that you can get that that recovery because if not, you fall asleep, your body still thinks it's in fight orflight mode and that they're still sprinting, right? As where you're able, if you're able to breathe, calm yourself down, you get better sleep, better rest recovery, and

15:43the hormones are going to take over your body and repair it. What I think about these things is obviously this guy's um very impressive. I like the way he's moving. He's obviously very athletic and very coordinated. And you see when he throws punches and kicks, he's obviously has a martial arts background as well. There's some of these guys though, I equate it to yoga. There's a lot of real yoga people out there that that are really good at yoga and they're dedicated to it and it's super important to them. And then there's the that are There's just they're fake spiritual people and they they talk a lot of the yoga nonsense, but they're really just weirdos. And I see that a lot in these movement coaches, too. Like I've talked to a few of them. They're like, "Okay, I I smell There's something something going on." Like there's an It's a weird gig. Like

16:32to do that for a living. What do you do? Oh, I teach functional movement. What does that mean? Uh just uh you know, I show people how to move. I know how to move. What are you talking about? Yeah. Yeah. Well, he doesn't he was never like uh considered like a a movement coach. Uh you know, he was never really considered like a strength conditioning coach. I went with him with like pain pain management and then it got into correctional exercises. I mean, this guy's he's actually had uh Iceman Huff come hang out with him. He's went and seen uh the guy with the the Venus Project. I mean, this guy he's smart, been all over. I mean, he he kind of does it all. He's really self-sufficient. He has a really good brain and and knowledge. He he he's not one of them like guys. I mean, me and him had had our issues and stuff before, but we're we're cool, but he's he's not one one of them guys, but I

17:13know exactly what you're talking about. There's a lot of people in that this business, MMA business. I'm sure you've dealt with a lot of they're moving in now. The a lot of they see the Edido Portal and you know the move guys. They see these guys that are successful working with guys like Carlos Condor to you and then I see a few of these guys that are trying to be one of these guys and but this guy looks legit as hell. Like you could tell by the way he's moving like that is a really athletic guy. Yeah. I don't I don't go around doing touch butt you know, in fights, you I mean I stick to stick to what I know but it it is good to learn how to you know use pain management to to stay healthy myof fascia release and integrate your body so that you are working efficiently and you're not working against yourself. I mean it's awesome to go through these workouts that I do now. I mean, I have a

17:56different strength conditioning coach and we stick to a lot of these uh functional movements, athletic movements, explosive movements, and we do it with with a good integrated system to where, you know, if I if I go and I'm banging on this tire and I'm just recklessly and then I wake up in the morning, I'm like, "Fuck, man. I got to spar. I'm feeling like crap." I mean, it's good to have your body working efficiently, using the right things that need to be used instead of having all the m, you know, small muscle groups working, you know? That's how that's how you get injured these days, you know. Yeah. I was reading this uh post once on a forum. I think I think it might have been the underground where someone was talking about lifting weights and uh how all their bad sparring sessions come after lifting weights. Like yeah, duh. Like you probably shouldn't be sparring

18:37after you lift that. Like dudes are talking about doing like mega squats and deadlifts and power benching and then trying to stay loose and fluid. It's not going to happen. your your your tissues all broken down and you're exhausted and it's really a bad idea to spar when you're like that because then you know well what about mental toughness? Well, you're not going to learn. Your body's all up. You're supposed to be resting or if you're doing anything you should be doing like light drilling. But something where you're forced to react quickly and move, that's a good way to get injured, right? Yeah. Exactly. You know, pe people do that all the time. You you hear about these guys getting injured all the time and you know just being self-sufficient, learning about little stuff like this could could help you out. You know, such as things as just a little bit of foam rolling out

19:20and then a little bit of correctional exercises that that could just help you out a lot more efficiently. And there's no I mean I've gotten in arguments where I've went out to uh Arizona to see some of my friends that ended up leaving alliance and you know I got into an argument a little bit like a battle. This guy's like trying to tell me to I need to widen my base to do this. And I'm like, we're in a fight that I'm going to be, you know, 10 feet. My my my feet are this far apart. I'm like, "No, bro. Like, I got to be within, you know, I I can be able to rotate, move, you know, with if I'm spreading my legs out, you know, that that ain't doing nothing for me." And I' i've I I just uh I see a lot of people doing a lot of meat stuff, you know. Yeah. Well, this isn't it interesting because you're kind of it's a kind of an open-ended thing when you're a fighter because I see these

20:03guys trying all this different stuff and there's no right or wrong way. Like here's a perfect example. There's Robbie Lawler who's a world champion, bad And then there's Steven Wonderboy Thompson. Totally different stance, totally different way of moving. Both guys super successful. And who knows what would happen if they fought? We really don't know until they fight, right? Yeah. But if Wonderboy, Matt Robbie's like, "Oh man, you're doing it all wrong." Like, you know, if he's trying to coach him, but obviously he's not doing it all wrong. He's a world champion. He's not doing it all wrong. He's doing it perfect, but is it the best way ultimately, you don't know, and you won't ever know until those two guys go at it. And here's what's even crazier. He might beat Wonderboy, but Wonder Boy might be able to beat a guy that can beat him. Yeah, it's weird. No,

20:55I mean I'm I I live that life, you know. Yeah, it's weird, right? It is insane. The the home we were just watching Holly Holm, you know, and then like Chevchenko, she gets beat by Mish State and then she beats Ronda Rousey. Yeah. Type deal. Well, Ronda Rousey fought the perfect fight for Holly, like charging at her, and Holly's a great counter striker. Whereas Chevchenko, if you watch that fight, she did not lead at all. She just hung back and waited and and forced Holly into her game. Yep. And uh, you know, it was just a bad night for Holly. I'm sure she'll be back. But it's interesting tactically and and if you look at it from a strategic standpoint, like utilizing your skills to the to the best of your ability in, you know, when you're inside the octagon, figuring out what about what you do matches really good against what she does and Chevchenko just nailed it.

21:45She figured it out. Yep. Crazy, man. That's the That's a fight game. It is a fight game. It's a crazy game, man. And it's it's interesting. You see people jumping from one trainer to the other and just looking for that and it's almost like you got a certain amount of time. It's like you're playing musical chairs. It's like how much do you got in your career? You got maybe like a good solid if you really take care of yourself. You got like 15 years unless you're Dan Anderson. That guy's the man, dude. Dude, he's fighting for the title. He's going to fight Bisping for the title in London. That's going to be madness. And he says if he wins, he's going to retire. Done. Mic drop. Walk away. carry out the one thing that he hasn't been able to do is win the UFC gold. But yeah, look, man, he's got as good a shot as anybody. You watch that Lumbard fight. Yeah, I did. I was I was there

22:31live. I couldn't believe it, dude. I was going nuts. I've been a fan of his for so long. He's such an awesome guy. Yep. Real real quiet, chill, and just uh amazing guy, dude. Just hard worker. I mean, it's awesome to see that. Did you see his Instagram post after he won? He had an American flag on it said smoked that Cuban. Oh sh Dude, that was crazy. I kind I mean Lombard's a scary dude. He dropped him and I'm like you know? I'm like, dude, he's getting dropped. I'm like, no. Well, Henderson hurt him first. Henderson he hurt him first and he moved in for the kill, but Lombard wasn't done and Lombard cracked him and Lumbard had him on the ground, had him in side control. It looked bad and then G. The way he knocked him out, too, was so crazy with that back elbow. Yeah. Instincts, man. Huh. Yeah. No one's ever done that before. No one's ever knocked anybody I mean, he was dead before he

23:17hit the ground. No one's ever knocked anybody out with a standing back elbow. He, you know, he's going to follow up with a couple blows. Oh, yeah. For sure. Yeah. You got to pull them off. Lombard's a scary dude. You know, I was down at AT one time helping out Jorge Mazvdol and they were like, "Hey, whatever you do, just don't spar Lombard." I'm like, "That guy's way bigger than me. Like, he'd spar you." He'd be like, "Yeah, he he may try to ask you to spar him. Don't spar him." You know, he just comes in. He's just a tank, you know? And I'm like, "Fuck, dude. I'm I'm not trying to spar that guy, you know?" Hell no. He's a freak athlete, man. him and Yoel Romero. Like, I don't know what kind of rice and beans they were feeding them down in Cuba. Good rice and beans, dude. That's That's some Those guys are freaks, dude. Have you seen the new photos, the most recent

23:58photos of Husamar Palharez? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Grappling, dude. He's just looking Christ. He looks like he's 250 lbs. Dude, if that guy tripped and fell, I would just seriously just run out the room, dude. I like that, dude. There's no way, man. I mean, those guys are tapping before, dude. Yeah, it doesn't matter. He just tears your apart. That's insane, man. He's so thick right now. He's only like 5'7 and he's probably, no 230 lbs. He's enormous right now. Yeah. God bless him, dude. That guy's scary, man. Well, now that he's uh not testing, look at him right there. Jesus Christ. God. I mean, that's a legitimate 225 lbs at 5'7. 5'7. Yeah, I'm way bigger than him, man. That's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, dude, I'm short. I'm 5'8 and I stand I'm taller than that dude, but he's like a foot wider than me. Yeah. And you get after I see you on the on its and always getting after it, you

24:55know? Maybe after I retire from fighting, I'm just going to get on the juice and just look like that. Just get teach class, just do strongman competitions, ankle locks all day, carry cars and Yeah, dude. You ever get caught on your car, Paul Harris might be the guy that you want right there. Yeah, he's ridiculously big right now. Yeah, that's definitely steroids. 100%. For sure. 100%. You don't gain that much weight. I mean, the last time he fought was like a year ago and he was fighting at 170. Yeah. And now, I mean, obviously a lot of guys that fight 170, they really weigh the 190s somewhere around there and they cut weight to get down to 170, but that is just gigantic. Yeah, dude. That's that's too much, man. He's a awesome jiu-jitsu player, too. It's not just strong. He's got some serious legit technique. Yeah, my uh one of my guy who gave me a purple belt, uh

25:44Dean Listister, you know, he he's uh he's been still going at and competing. I know he just lost and everything, but uh he's outstanding. Dean's Dean's very good, dude. He He's a big dude, but he rolls like a little guy and he's just freakishly strong, man. Yeah, he's a very smart Dean knows a lot about jiu-jitsu and he's one of the reasons why, you know, the whole John Donner, Henzo Gracie team got so good at leg locks. A lot of that was the influence of Dean Listister. Dean Listister went down there and did some training with them. And Dean has been a leg lock master from the old days. Like he was one of those guys that was leg locking people in the early days of Abu Dhabi. Yep. back in the early 2000s, you know, when people like the leg lock game has shifted over the last few years and it's become incredibly dominant. There's so many guys that are winning like

26:29jiu-jitsu has become largely like a game of like 60 maybe even more percent leg locks, especially no ghee like the Eddie Cumins, Gary Tonin, all these guys from John Donner's camp. There's so many guys down there that are just really talented at attacking legs. Yeah. And not a lot of people like that. It's a sophisticated game. Yeah. Yeah. When you start playing with the legs, you know, scary. Yeah, it is. Everybody Yeah. Nobody likes getting crippled. No. But, you know, like Eddie Bravo had a really good point. He's like, "Well, is it okay if someone yanks on your neck? Is it okay if someone breaks your arm?" Like, it's what is the difference? Like, just just got to tap before you get up. Yep. Which is easier said than done. Paul Harris is on there. You tap all day, but that guy is ripping to him. Yeah. He is tearing people's knees apart. Yeah. That's kind of

27:15Yeah, it is kind. Well, it's definitely when people tap, right? It is definitely when people tap. Do you think there's anything that should be changed about the current rules? Like if you look at MMA rules, like the the way they stand right now, like there's some people that think that the uh knees on the ground issue, if you if you don't know the story, um MMA has a rule where you can knee someone to the head if they're standing, but if they put one hand on the ground, you can't knee them in the head. So, a lot of guys will put a hand on the ground just to stop the knee and then they lift it up and then they put it down. Like they play like a little like almost like a game of like now I'm now I'm safe like I'm I'm holding. You remember like old school wrestling you could hold on to the rope and they would let let go of a hold. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. You know 10 counts

28:02stuff like all that. Didn't they have that in like pancra too where in pancra if someone was holding on to a submission you could grab the rope and they would let go of a submission? I don't know. I I've never really watched too much pancra. I feel like that was a rule. Grab the rope like, "Oh, I'm safe. I can help." Yeah. I think there was something about that where if you grabbed a hold of the ropes, they had to let go. No, I think that's uh I think it's a good rule. I mean, I actually just uh watched the fights over the weekend. Uh Darren Elkins uh he just got kned hard in the temple, dude. I mean, it was a shot. Illegal knee. Illegal. And then the guy punches him after and he like falls down. I'm like, "No way. That was illegal knee." And then, you know, he just shakes it off, comes back and ends up beating the guy. But Dar's an animal. Yeah. Yeah. He's a animal. I

28:45fought that guy. He He's He's tough, dude. He's took takes some shots, you know. Tough as nails. He keeps coming. Yeah. It's like you hit him, he's like a Chris Lee. He just gets more fired up and keeps coming at you, you know. But, uh, you know, as far as those rules, I I I think that's kind of fair. I mean, unless you know, I don't think UFC Fox wants to see people getting head stomped and in their pride rules, you know, and you know damn well them guys were juicing over there, so they're just taking people down. And if that was the case, I just go juice up, take people down, and just start soccer kicking people all day. You know, that's scary. It is. Imagine somebody standing over you and then you're just like, "Fuck, this guy's trying to stomp me out." I mean, that's that's a scary thought to be thinking. I I don't know if I don't even want to be fighting. But do you

29:24think that if it was legal that you wouldn't think that way? I mean, think all the stuff that you can do inside the octagon, you know? I don't think all the techniques that you do land like um you know like that knee that you landed on Dennis Bermudez that's about as powerful a knee as you could hit a dude with on the ground standing up no matter where I mean that's a goddamn perfect knee you you landed on him that was pretty spectacular thank you but if that wasn't legal you know and then you did that everybody would be like oh that shouldn't be legal like perfect example is a Cyborg Santos Michael Page fight hit Cyborg Santos with a knee so hard that he fractured his skull. His skull caved in and the MRIs are insane. I've never seen that. In all my years of watching fights and and being involved in martial arts, I've never seen anybody's head caved in like that.

30:15Yeah, that's that's uh that's unfortunate, man. Uh you know, I I can imagine some some trauma and some injuries and you know, and uh I seen Cyborg was like, "Oh, I'll be fine. I'll be fighting in three months." Yeah, that's what he said. And I'm like, "Bro." Yeah. What? No, dude. Like look at his skull. That's his tapped in. That's That is nuts. That's like reminds me of that movie Concussion with Will Smith and he's talking about the the football players that are taking these type of injuries, you know, and uh that that's bad, man. His whole skull is crushed. It's It's crazy. I've never seen that. I've never seen that happen. I didn't I thought that that area was so hard because that's the area where I I guess like a lot of people break their their hand right here. They don't really break it on that area. Yeah, but I mean a knee and you're kind of coming into it

31:01that that's what it is, right? He was moving into it and it was really just a perfect storm like him moving in for the taked down, Michael Paige leaping up at him and he's a bony dude, you know? He's a tall bony dude. So that there's really not like a lot of quad or muscle that's going to hide that knee. It's all bone on that dude's head. Yeah, that's a nasty knee. Congrats to that guy. That's That's pretty sick. That guy's a bad I want to see that guy in the UFC. Yeah, he break dance and Yeah. Yeah. Well, he's just he was a point karate guy for a long time. And I've always said that there's something about that ability to just jump in real quick and get the out of there that these point karate guys have. Their range is way different than like a a boxing. That's that's kind of interesting that you said mentioned Robbie cuz if you ever watch Robbie, he

31:43doesn't play the kick game. He gets in that boxing range that way. If you throw a kick, he's throwing hands, right? And you know, uh Wonder Boy, you know, he he's a tall rangy dude, but he keeps they they keep that distance. Mhm. I mean, you're a karate guy, so that that range is a lot different than a Muay Thai or a boxing. And and they're able to move really uh skillfully. Well, the point karate guys in particular, I think that's the next stage of like the elite fighters are the like the background they come from. We've seen guys that are successful that come from Muay Thai. We've seen guys that are successful that come from wrestling. But I think that point karate is going to be the next stage because these guys like Paige and uh Raymond Daniels who fights out of glory Rodriguez and my my buddy my buddy Justin Lawrence is like that comes from a karate background and he's just fast

32:30and nasty and he keeps that weird range. Got them weird little Joe Rogan sidekicks and Or Scoggins who's fighting this weekend. He's fighting uh Ian McCall this weekend. Oh, he's fighting Ian McCall. Yeah, that' be that'd be interesting. Yeah, Scoggins is something too, man. He's got that crazy style, too, but he's got wrestling as well. Yeah. No, I I first seen that guy fight. He He is good. Good cardio, good wrestling. I think if that guy just shows up with the right mindset, he's going to be one of the top guys. He's a young kid, too, right? Young kid. I think he's only like 25 or 26 and super technical like his his karate especially like he's got that wide stance, moves in and out real quick. That's what's real hard to deal with, man, because these the karate style like where they jump in and they're used to like leaping in and then they tag each other and get the

33:13out of there quick and then they score a point and then everything stops. Y and so they don't have to have like in their sport, they didn't have to have like the kind of endurance that you would need to do like try doing that in a tie fight. The ties are going to kick your legs. cuz they're going to. But the thing about it is that these guys have developed this incredible ability to close distance really quickly. Then they pick up all the other skills as well. But everybody else has to play catch-up on that one thing that they can do, the leaping in and close the distance. Yeah. And you get a guy like Paige who's obviously a gifted athlete who's been doing it his whole life. I mean, he started martial arts, I think some before he was 5 years old. Yeah. So, he's got years and years of experience. Plus, his body kind of developed. Like we were talking about people that start

33:58early with gymnastics or with break dancing. His body developed leaping in, throwing kicks, leaping in, throwing punches. He's got some sick dance moves, you know? So, he's always on rhythm. So, you can't he's always on rhythm. That that that's interesting. That that is he's interesting to see. I'm excited to see that guy in the future. Well, I'm excited to see a lot of those guys. Like I like I said, Raymond Daniels as well, who's uh there's a great karate match where the two of them uh fought in uh a point karate match. But let's take a look at him here. You watch what Paige can do like look at that. Look at But he's he's hilarious, too. He just stands there. He looks off in the distance as the referee stops the fight. He's obviously until he fought Cyborg. He's fighting people that have really no business being in there with him. Yeah. Yeah. He's on Cyborg took him down

34:44though in that first round and presented some real problems. But look at his distance, man. We were just talking about that. But look at like his ability to leap in, but it was also his ability to get the out of the way. Look at that. Attacks off of his back, too. He even won by a foot lock. Look at those got arm bars. Reminds me of that uh style of uh Roy Jones used to have. I mean, he would just do that weird just real athletic. Exactly. where Roy Jones was one of the greatest boxers of all time and didn't really use a jab. Instead, he used a leaping left hook. Yeah. Straight right or leaping left hook. Well, he used the left hook in place of the jab. But you look like Paige has got crazy like that right there. His ability to close a distance. And look how quickly he gets out of dodge. He's just so used to that style of people leaping at him and getting out of the way. Look at that.

35:37One, two. Nasty. Yeah. Um, I mean, look, in part of me likes the fact that he's in Bellator because I I I think Bellator needs stars because I think UFC needs competition and I I like Scott Coker. I like Bellator. I like Jimmy Smith. I like the fact they're doing well and I would like to see like real legitim I'd like to see a real legit legitimate unification fight, you know? Yeah. Start competing as teams. That'd be that'd be sick. Hey, what are you uh are you ever you thinking about getting out of UFC anytime soon or? Well, I was not going to announce this until it was signed, but I signed for at least one more year. So, what I decided to do was um I was on the fence, man. So, I just do too much I'm too busy. And after a while, I'm like, I don't know if I'm doing myself or anything. I'm all the different things I do a disservice. Yeah. And I was real close. I was like,

36:28either I'm just going to completely bail off of this or I'm going to try to figure it out. So, I had a conversation with Dana. We had a bunch of conversations and what I decided to do was um no more international travel, no more flying across the planet. Let Brian Stan take care of that for you. Brian's awesome. I'm a big fan. He's a good dude. And as is uh Dan Hardy, he's awesome. And Kenny, I think those guys do a great job. But for me personally, it's just there's too much. Like if I go to Brazil, that's five days out of my life that I can't do this and I can't do all the other stuff that I do. And then on top of that, there's the recovery time. Like when I come back, I'm toast. No, I get it. That flying just my head. So, I decided to only do pay-per-view. No more Fox. Um, so I'm cutting down a lot of the events, but I'm I'm doing at least a year. So, it's like a yearby-year thing,

37:19but uh at least one more year. You got a lot of fans supporting you, dude. But, you know, you you you probably want to start enjoying life a little bit and cutting cutting down eventually, you know, and just relaxing and enjoying life a little bit, I bet. Huh. Well, you know what made me um tip the other way? I was like I was like real convinced that it was over. I'm like I just I'm just going to be a fan. I'll just do Fight Companions. The Nate Diaz, Conor McGregor fight and Holly Holm, Misha Tate fight. That night was so crazy and so chaotic. I walked out of there go, how could I not do this? How could I not be like I'm I'm sitting right there cageide for the craziest in the sporting world ever. Yeah. So, uh I decided uh it was real recent, man. It was touch and go, man. And I I just didn't know what I was going to do. I was one day I'd be like, "I'm done." And

38:02the next day I'd be like, "Ah, I don't know." So, I think the compromise is do less events, figure it out, but I don't I don't want anybody to think that I don't appreciate it or I don't know how lucky I am or I don't think it's an amazing job. I definitely do, but I'm just I'm almost too lucky. I have too many amazing jobs. You know, you've been on the road for years. That's a lot of traveling, dude. It's a lot of traveling. A lot of traveling. A lot of a lot of events. And I mean, dude. You done seen it all, but Well, one year was like 23 events. I was like, "That's crazy." That's like every other week. Every other week getting more and more and more. UFC is just getting freaking insane, you know. Then the big business deal and and a lot of a lot of shit's going down. Even with the steroids, Mark Hunt's going crazy, you know? Someone needs to talk to Mark, man. Yeah, give

38:46him a call, Dana. Yeah, I feel like someone should have talked to Mark immediately and and soothed it out with him. But but here's what I could tell Mark. If Mark is listening, they tested the out of Brock Lesnar and they didn't know. They didn't know. The only way they would have known is if USADA told him. So USA tested him. He tested clean for a bunch of them and then he tested um positive for the one that was like I think 3 weeks out of the fight and then there was the other one that he tested for postfight. So I don't know what was going on. I don't I mean it's just speculation. Yep. But it could have been that he was just really struggling in camp and his uh look, here's what he took allegedly, right? He took estrogen blockers. And the only reason that anybody takes estrogen blocker on purpose is to restart their testosterone after they do a steroid cycle. That's

39:44that's why you take it when you take it on purpose. Y or unless you have some sort of a biological disorder, I would imagine where you have some sort of an excess of estrogen in your body, which I don't know why you would have that. I don't I'm not a doctor. I don't know if I need to tell you that, but I'm not a doctor. You know, I'm not a doctor. Allegedly, I'm not a doctor. So, I don't know what the was going on, man, with Brock. Who knows? Maybe Brock was like, "Look, I'm one and done in this I'm just going to just I'm just going to make some money out. How much how many how many weeks do they need to test me?" Okay. So, we're inside the window. it. If we test positive after the fight, we test positive. Like, who knows? Who knows? Yeah. You know, but that's the third time that's happened to Mark Hunt, dude. You know, and he's talking about this fighters union, which makes things very

40:27interesting, bro. Well, the problem with the fighters union is fighters have been notoriously single-minded and they think about themselves. It's going to be real hard. It's not like baseball players, you know? It's not like you could get It's also with like baseball players union or football. It's like you have a team, you know, the UFC is the team, you know, this not like, you know, it's not like they're the elite. It's it's it's it's weird. It's a different thing. Like boxing is not going to have a boxers union cuz then you're always going to have Look, you have 10 contenders. Boxers make a ton of money, dude. They do make a ton of money, but the people that make a ton of money are the champions. Yeah. You know, those the the highlevel people and the high level people in MMA make the same amount of money. The real argument is how much money should the people that are putting

41:16on the big shows like you, the guys who are, you know, putting on incredible exciting fights, how much should you make to headline a card? I know if for me personally, for my money, if I'm watching Jeremy Stevens fight Conor McGregor, I I'm getting out my popcorn. I'm excited. I'm paying my pay-per-view money for that. Let's make that happen. Let's make that happen. 145. yeah. I think he's going to get whooped by Diaz. You think so? I think so, too. Well, he got whooped the first time, but he was doing really well in that first round. I mean, that first round was a big round for Connor and then he got tired. Diaz had what, 10 days, and he was drinking tequila out Mexico. 11 days. 11 days and he tequila. Drinking tequila. I respect that, but I I think it's going to be the same same situation. I do. Well, there's a good argument there. There's a good argument for sure. Conor's got the one

42:06shot, man. He's He's just like me. He's like a replica of me. He's got that one shot and put your lights out, you know, but he's like you at 145. Whereas Nate, who has been fighting at 155 and 170 his whole career, is a bigger guy. Like Nate, when I stand next to him, Nate's a big guy, man. He's big. He's 55, he's huge. I can take a shot. He takes a The only guy to put him out was Josh Thompson. And I've said time and time again, Josh Thompson, one of the most underrated guys in the sport. Josh Thompson, the the timing just wasn't right for him. Yep. Old school. Yeah, he's old school, but he's good, man. He was good. And when he fought Nate, he was just on his game and he head kicked him. Yeah. Josh Thompson head kicked anybody. He's finishing up. You know what I mean? No, he's an athletic dude, man. That guy's been around, you know, and then uh I think he

42:54was before the UFC cut out the 55 division, you know, and that's when I was kind of coming up. I was like, I'm going to fight at 170. Yeah. Like, it. I want to be in UFC. I guess I got to go up to 170. So, I was taking fights at like 65. Well, explain. People don't know what you're saying is that the UFC didn't have a 155 division for a while. Yeah, they cut. They got they got rid of it. Well, this is, you know, a lot of people don't realize when they see the sport now and it's gigantic and it's huge. When you were first fighting and first competing, man, it was you had to really love what you're doing. It wasn't like there was some Ronda Rousey, Conor McGregor paydays that people were getting. You know, when you hear about the paydays these people are getting now, like Jon Jones's manager was saying that Jon missed out on at least $10 million for his fight with Daniel

43:36Cormier and then John Anick was saying that over the two years it's probably going to cost him as much as 30 to 40 million when you factor in all the super fights he could have had in two years. Yeah. Which is just crazy. Yeah, dude. He's one of the pound-for-pound best, man. He just uh he's his own worst enemy, I guess, you know. Well, with him is another weird one. That was a estrogen blocker thing. But I'm not a doctor, but I'm not a doctor. Cycling off those people cycling. His body changed, too, you know, and that's that's kind of crazy. He got he got real big and he was like into lifting a lot. And them lifters, man. Those guys love that stuff. So, well, the lifters too. The problem is you get some bro science, you know? You get some dudes in the gym. Bro, I'm telling you, bro, you cannot test positive, bro. This is what you're going to do. You're going to drink three

44:22gallons of cat piss and you're going to go in there like three gallons? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, dude. Do it to be a champion. Do it to be a champion. Like they'll tell you some wacky This guy was telling me that if you He was trying to tell me uh that all these UFC guys, man, they're tested positive. I know how to get him off that, man. I go, "No, you don't." You don't know how to beat Lance Armstrong, one of the one of the richest guys, you know, he's giving speeches and high-fiving the president. If that guy can't beat Jeff Nitzky, I don't think anybody, you know, I mean, well, here's the thing about Lance Armstrong. Never tested positive. You have to realize that. Lance Armstrong never tested positive. They never caught him. He admitted guilt. He had admitted. Yeah. Yeah. He had admitted, but they, you know, the walls were closing in. All these people were suing him. He was

45:05suing people. There's a lot of chaos going on. He just wanted to come clean. There's no there's no drug tests that show that Lance Armstrong was doing anything. Yeah, he was definitely doing some though, which is really kind of crazy. I don't get why people want to go ride a bike for that long. And just I mean honestly, you know, since uh you saw this kind of came in, I've I've done a lot of uh cardio and stuff, but I'm like, you know, I've ran up to uh like a little bit over two hours or around 2 hours and uh you know, I don't want to go ride a bike for 7 8 hours, bro, and then get up, do it again. I'm like, for what? I'm going to I'm going to do some EPO just so I can just go out and just get it for 78 hours. Like that's a child's method of transport. Why do some porn, bro, and just go kill it for 78 hours? Like why are you going to for I mean that's just

45:48nuts dude. I don't uh but to each their own. Look what it is is a mental toughness thing. It's like their idea is like they're going to keep grinding it out when other people are going to slowly back off and fade. They're going to keep going. No, that's the true break. That's the true break. That's what I find in running and and doing these long runs and stuff throughout camp. That's a sets a different pace. And that that that is right. The the mental edge that you have from running and you're just like it's insane. You almost got to be a madman. But you only know that when you actually complete that type of a long run and you endure that type of thing. Everybody else can kind of look back like, "Man, you're crazy." Like, "Why do you do that?" But you are kind of crazy in your head and you're like, "Yeah, yeah, I am crazy. I did do that." Put you on another level. Isn't it one of those

46:31things where you just constantly try to find your limit? Like you I'm going to hold my breath for a minute. I did it. Let me see if I can do two minutes. I did. Okay. What's the world record? You start then you start trying for whatever the the world record is. And like I have my buddy Cam Haynes. He does uh ultramarathons. He's done 100 miles and now he's doing 200 miles in August. He did 100 miles last month to get ready for 200 miles next month. Damn, dude. Yeah. Like what? That's intense. Two days. Two days of running. That's crazy, bro. It's right? Yeah, he's But I bet like that that guy's probably cool to hang out with. I bet he's just a wild mad man, you know, when you go hang out with him and and probably hear some of his ideas and his beliefs. Well, he's just mentally as tough as it gets and he's just trying to find his limits, you You know, he's

47:14always trying to find his limits and uh he can't find his limits at 100 miles, which is bananas. He's trying How is How old is he? 48. 48. 48. Hell yeah. You know what they say? They say that um those marathon or ultramarathon guys like a lot of them are older because it's not it's not something that young guys excel at. Like you're not going to find like a 20-year-old athlete that's really good at running a 100 miles. It's dudes that have been divorced and had their heart broken and went bankrupt and came home and their girlfriend was their best friend. Like that kind of Those guys I've been there in high school, man. Those guys have that extra gear. Those guys that are that are 30 30 years old and they're they're they're crying. It's like, bro, get over it, dude. It's all right, man. If if she's if she wants to go, she's going to go and bang, you know, 30 black guys if she

48:03wants to. So, why does it be black guys? Always whenever's worried. Then you see him crying. And I mean, I went through that in high school, man. I was like, "All right, that's enough of that." You know, at a young I'm glad I did because I mean, some people mentally they they just don't get it. And then when they get a little bit older and they go through it, they're just like, "Whoa, whole life just changed." Yeah. You got to learn how to get your heart broke and recover. Like if you don't get your heart broke, you'll never understand what it's like to get your heart broken. Like if it's it's a really important thing. Like when it's happening, you feel like the world's over. But then you did you did what with him? A but looking back it's hilarious. Like I look back on some heartbreaks that I had when I was like 19. I'm like ah like it's I think it's funny now that I was

48:45being such a You know that I was crying. I would write her like a take me back note. You took him to her favorite spot. Why? You let him touch you and do this. Oh no. That sucked, dude. I remember that, man. Of course. Every guy was Every girl, too. It's funny you look back at it, but dude, when you're going through it, man, you're like, "Fuck, I need to shoot myself right now." You know, I can't stand this, dude. Like, speaking of shoot myself, did you see that video? That rapper that shot himself in the mouth video. Did you see that stupid This guy uh made a video of him. He put like a gun like next to his cheek and shot a hole through his face on camera. I think he's going to get more hits now. Yeah, cuz he got shot. He's saying he doesn't give a I don't give a I don't give a Want to see it? Watch this guy. I'll play it. Yeah, go ahead. Play it. Is that a starter pistol or is that a

49:41bullet? Because here's the thing. He's in his car. This is one thing that leads me to think that this is a a starter pistol cuz he's in his car, right? So, where's that bullet going, man? Straight through his mouth. Swallowed it at the end of the video. Yeah. Did he though? Didn't go through his other cheek. Did he though? I don't know. Let's watch. What's his name? Casper Knight. Is that his night name? His name. Listen, dummy. But you did it. You want to hurt bad? Yes. Oh I don't give a about nothing anymore. Gangster. Gangster. I swallowed the bullet. You swallowed the bullet? Yeah. Oh, Okay, that guy didn't swallow anything. We need to go. He didn't swallow. Yeah. Run it. Go. We need to go. up. Whatever. it. If I die, it. You're not going to die. You're not going to die from that, Just What is this guy thinking, man? He's not. People People do this stuff nowadays,

50:56and it's just really kind of disgusting. It's like, where is this guy's parents? They're at home doing math. Seriously, man. I swallowed a bullet. You just shot yourself, idiot. Well, he See, it's possible that that was a 22. It was a very small gun, obviously, cuz the the sound like clap. It was a very very low low volume sound. So, I think that's probably like if anything, it was a 22. And if he did swallow the bullet, I mean, maybe. I guess maybe. It doesn't make sense, though. It looked like it came out the other side, man. That's kind of disturbing to watch. It's not really that he just shot himself, but just his attitude. What the What is wrong with you, man? Not Not good. It's not not good. That's not a goal oriented individual. If I die. Well, the crazy thing is that guy might get like success for that. Like he made some post about it where he was like, "Y'all got played

51:55or something like that." Like what? Okay. You see the post that he wrote? He's got a whole Oh, there's his post after it. A doctor stitched him up. A doctor's like, "Um, okay." Yeah. Disturbing. Well, you could take a starter pistol, by the way, and it will blow a hole through your mouth. There's a guy who uh it was an actor when I was on uh this TV show. His friend was on the TV show with me, and the guy had died. He was uh playing around with a blank and you know he had a like for a movie and he put the thing up to his head and didn't realize that the amount of force that comes out just the air fractured his skull and killed him. Yeah. From a blank. Brandon Lee died like that, right? Like Brandon Lee died because it wasn't a blank. There was some sort of a particle that was inside the blank and it shot him in the chest. And the conspiracy theory, buckle

52:52up, black helicopters. The conspiracy theory is the same people that killed Bruce Lee wanted to kill Brandon Lee because Bruce like this is what Joey Diaz believes. Listen, dog. I'm telling you, you don't get away with those Chinese triads. You can't you can't dodge that bullet. Cuz he was telling me that he was like exactly his voice. this He was he was saying that um that Bruce Lee had some sort of a deal to do movies for the Chinese Triad and he was doing all these movies for them and then left to come to America to be a big- time movie star. And when he came over to America to be a big-time movie star, he those people that he had this deal with. And they were like, "Oh, really?" And then they came and got him. But man, dude, I've honestly, dude, growing up, you know, not being raced or anything, but I I've had a lot of no Asian friends and stuff, man. And they do they get violent and

53:46they get into like wolf packs quick. I've seen Oh, yeah. I did security one time, man. And I seen like two dudes fighting and then it turned into the whole Asian community just throwing bottles, shooting out in the parking lot. Whoa. You know, just uh throwing Q balls, chairs, uh more bottles. And this guy's just laying down like fetus position. I've seen him just uh do a lot. I mean, they stick together. I seen a guy actually stab some dude. And then, get this, this guy comes out and he's like he's like, "I just got stabbed." And he's coming up to this police officer. Police officer pulls out this gun. He's like, "Get on the ground." He's like, "Bro, I just got stabbed." He's like, "Get on the ground." And the guy's like squirting blood out his back. And then like like 50 Honda Civics and Acura like just all taking off. And the guy's like laying on the ground. What's

54:29the cop telling him to get on the ground? I don't know, man. De Mo, Iowa. I saw a video yesterday of a cop. They just gave this kid like $180,000. A cop hit him. He's on his motorcycle. The kid stopped at a light. The cop hits him from behind. Okay. The he falls over, get the cop gets out of the car with his gun drawn. The kid's like, "What the fuck?" The cop kicks him in the chest and breaks his collar bone and then tells him to get on his knees. And the kid gets on his knees. All captured on video. And what what was the what was the cause of him getting pulled over? Nothing. There was no cause. The cop rear ended him. He was on a motorcycle. Watch this No, this ain't it. Is it? It goes way ahead. I'll skip ahead. Oh, that's why. Was this it? Are you sure this is the same one? Yeah, because the other one was It was at an intersection. Jamie, oh, this guy seems

55:23like he's flying. Are you sure it's the same video? Yep. Well, that's the case. And this kid, it was a speeding thing. Oh, there. Oh, okay. Well, that changes everything. Yeah. Yeah. So, they they bumped him on purpose. Okay. Let's see how this goes down. Well, I'm changing my tune right here. Yeah. So, this was he was a speeding motorcyclist, but he's not stopping. Oh, they hit him on purpose. Boom. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. This is different. This is different. They're falling off your little bike. Yeah, it's a bump. So, watch. He's like, "What? What did I do? Oh, a little front kick. A little 300 fatso. Little gay karate kick. Yeah, we kicked out. That was a terrible. He He's like holding the gun gangster, too. Like right here. He's like, "What's up? What's up?" Saw too many boys in the hood movies. Hey, you know what, man? I changed my tune. People need to

56:14just shut their mouth when it comes to the authority, you know? And I think of like these other countries. I'm like, other countries don't do that because they will sever your head off. if you're filming them, they're going to cut your head. You know, people come here and they're like, they get in this mix. The cops try to like, hey, you know, like you're coming with us like and then like people recording it and then they don't listen and the cop has to use force, you know, and they're just people just don't really respect. Grant there is other sides. I mean, I do get it. But well, did you see the guy in Florida that got shot while he was lying down with his hands up talking to uh he was a therapist and he's totally unarmed lying on his back and the cop shot him and he's like, "Why'd you shoot me?" He's like, "I don't know." like and then the cop changed the story.

56:54The cop completely changed the story after it was over. You know, look, there's there's good and bad, but I didn't see the full video of this. I only saw the end, which really makes you think like when you you see a lot of these uh interactions that people have with cops, like what led the cop to be so ramped up. Well, here now you understand that guy was risking all sorts of people's lives. Yeah. Lives by riding that motorcycle like a maniac. And then the cop got a hold of him. He bumped him to knock him off the bike. But that kid was fine. But that kid got $180,000 for that. Breaking the law. He gets 180 grand for a weak ass front kick. Terrible front kick too, right? Yeah. Yeah. But he had that that that Glock though. The gangster Glock, you know. But, you know, some some people, you know, the cops, they, you know, not all of them cuz I I have uncles that are cops. They're they're

57:42great people, but they're just like us, you know, it makes them no different. And uh some people I feel like they get a little power power trips sometimes, you know. I've been polite to cops and and I've been treated very rudely, you know, and then there's times where I've been polite and they've been polite or they they let me off on like a speeding ticket and I was speeding, you know, but there there's times where I've seen cops just like look like maybe they got bullied in high school and they they take advantage. But I mean that's just human nature. What do you got? It was in a unmarked Camaro that looked like like this. And he didn't have his siren on. Said he only had his lights on. So, he didn't even know he was being chased. Oh, well that's that's what that's what the motorcycle guy said. Well, that makes sort of sense. Seen the video of him in and out. I don't know how he got

58:25180 grand. He's lucky. Yeah, he's still driving like a douchebag. I mean, if you want to drive like that, go on a raceway, man. You can take that bike on a raceway. You're not supposed to cut in and out of traffic the way he was doing going ridiculously excessive speeds. that video like when he's cutting off cars and stuff like that. That's that's how people die and not necessarily you. That happens here in LA all the time. I was driving down here from San Diego and I mean I do that all the time but pe those bikers man they they zone in and out and I don't hear them coming behind me cuz they're flying and I'm in between traffic and they come by and almost like scrape your mirrors and then like they're getting mad at you and you're like bro I I don't see you. You know I got a little bit of music playing. It's not like real loud but it's like I I can't hear you until like you're right

59:05there. That's why it's Harley those Harley-Davidsons are so loud. Like there's a I saw a bumper sticker that said loud pipes save lives. They really do. Makes a big difference. Makes sense that they have those those loud pipes like that. But you know, I think that cops are just like you and me. And one of the things that I think we should all take into consideration is the amount of people that they deal with on a daily basis that are criminals, that are violent, that are dangerous, that there's just so much they have to deal with. I just don't think most people are qualified for that job. I think that job should be for people that are like ex-military that are solid as a rock. I think it should be super highpaying and should be a really wellrespected job and I think those people should be like integrated in whatever community that they're enforcing. Yeah. Uh, you know, I was

59:54actually telling this I don't even know if I told my coach the other day, but I was thinking I was like, man, I want to go and like help out the cops and a little bit of like hand like combat and go in and help them out because I mean, a lot of people don't know. Oh, I mean, if if you come up to me and I'm not thinking anything, but I can just quickly pull out a gun and shoot you. And sometimes those cops don't know, you know, and they're trying to be nice and then they get killed on the spot or, you know, they they may not know and they kill them and maybe it wasn't a gun, but I mean, that's a quick little within you have to make a huge decision in just such a matter of seconds, you know, and it's going to be me going home and, you know, not just like a fight, you know, it's like, hey, man, it's going to be me going home the winter and feeding my family as compared to you. You know,

60:29that's that's life or death situation. So, it's it's definitely scary. I feel like they definitely need a little bit better education on the training and uh you know, if anybody in San Diego is listening to this or any police, you know, I'd love to come help. You know, I'm sure like Dominic Cruz and the guys, we'd love to come help and uh you know, and have you guys come into the gym and and uh just keep the community safe. I think it should be it should be mandatory that cops have at least some sort of martial arts training because uh you know, I was talking to Big John McCarthy about this where he was telling me how few police officers can even physically defend themselves. He's like, "There's a lot of guys that just don't they don't know anything and they don't work out at all." Overweight. Yeah. And if if goes down, like they're helpless. And these are the supposed to

61:10be the people that are supposed to serve and protect. Yep. You know, and John obviously is a giant dude and plus a black belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu and been around martial arts his whole life. But, you know, when you're dealing with someone who is a explosive, dangerous person that might be a felon their whole life and you're someone who has no experience at all in any kind of hand-to-hand combat situation, you're you're in a bad spot. Yeah. You know, a lot of them don't know and I've even been in uh like uh training with like the army and military and and wounded warriors program. I mean, I've trained a lot of people and a lot of people don't even know the basics of just hand fighting and how hand fighting is very important, especially if someone's holding a gun, you know, and they don't even know that or no chokes and it's like, wow, that's crazy. They don't know

61:53basic stuff, you know? Yeah. Cuz what if they ran into a guy like me out there, you know, like one of those villains like the guy from Morocco who robbed the bank, you know? He's just like a legit criminal. I mean, which some some are. Oh, Lee Murray. Yeah, Lee Murray. You know, then you run into that guy and he like he's like being all cool and then all boom, all of a sudden he's like trying to snap your neck. Well, that guy was crazy because he was super skilled but a legit gangster criminal. Pulled off the biggest armed heist in European history, right? Never found a single dollar. Is that true? Yeah. They never found the money. Never found the money. Oh my god. Who's got the money? Lee Murray. Lee. Well, he's in jail now, right? In Morocco. Yeah. Pat Militic, uh, an old uh, training coach of mine. He keeps in touch with him like a pen pal. I don't know if he still does or

62:40not, but uh, Dear Lee. Yeah, dear Lee. I was watching Pat today. I was watching him. Uh, he was, um, I watched Lion Fight. I'm a big fan of Lion Fight. He was doing commentary for Lion Fight. Yeah. Pat was saying that he was about to do a 100 mile run and he was asking about I was gonna mention that. Yeah, I seen him on Facebook. I follow him and I guess uh he he put out like this like little list like he's going to do like do a four mile a 10 mile and then he's basically like building up like 15 20 miles that he's going to do 100 mile run. But like you just do that slowly just by building like a little base and getting himself ready for that. But that's uh why was he doing that? I don't know. He's he's getting older. I don't know, a divorce or I don't know, man. You You never know. Maybe he's just uh looking for a new challenge, you know, retired from fighting. Yeah, you know. I

63:26mean, I seen Don Fry recently just get knocked out recently. But, you know, I mean, I feel like Yeah, he got knocked out by one of uh was it Dog the Bounty Hunters uh security guys or something? Oh, that was really old. That's what you're talking about. That video was from a long time ago. Don Don was really drunk. Oh, yeah. Yeah. and he got in some sort of a fight in a hotel with some dude. Yeah, I've seen that. I think that was really old. There's always that dog in you, you know? I mean, you probably been away from competition for a while, but I mean, you still like to grapple and and just get after it like in your gym, always see you hitting it, but I mean, just as a man or a competitor, you always have that type of I mean, eventually you got to let it go and eventually your time's going to pass, but I mean, you're always going to have that drive. and you know, running

64:08or doing something like that or swimming is is always going to probably keep that passion, that drive that's still in you. So, it's probably good to kind of release that and go out there. I mean, it's definitely I think it's definitely good to push yourself in some sort of a way cuz I think where a lot of guys it's really um a classic story with boxers especially, they they stop competing and then they get into hard drugs and it happened with Joe Lewis. It happened with um uh it's that white guy, Irish dude. Which one? Floyd knocked him out. He was doing cocaine with some hookers. They got him on video. What's his name, man? Oh, Ricky Hatton. Ricky Hatton. Yeah. I was uh thinking of um God damn it, the dude who uh Cashes Clay Beat for the Sunny Liston. Sunny Lon, he died of a drug overdose, too. Yeah. A lot of those guys, they they stop fighting. And then there's also the the the thought

64:59of, you know, you have a long career of getting hit in the head and then you you'd want to self-medicate after it's over. Like a lot of these guys, they have um issues with their their their systems like their endocrine systems. They have issues with their pituitary gland. A lot of depression comes in and uh they start they start trying to fix that with alcohol or fix that feeling with cocaine. Prescription stuff. Prescription drugs. Yeah. Those are the worst, man. Well, prescription drugs are a real problem because a lot of guys get injured and then, you know, they go to a doctor or they got a, you know, problem their lumbar or something like that or trying to mash disc. Yeah. Yeah. It's dangerous, man. I watched that episode Ballers and uh The Rock Johnson. He's always smashing them Vicodins and you know those NFL guys and talks about that. Have you seen that

65:48show? It's a pretty sick show. The Rock's the man and you kind of see that and you're like, man, that kind of makes sense that you know most likely that they are shooting them up and get back on the field. you got to win the game. And you know, when you're in that moment, you're not thinking about it. But then in the longevity, you know, like that movie Concussion, you know, the the one guy from the Steelers was going down the opposite way and smashes into a car, was wanting to kill his family and just snaps out, you know, and that's just uh that's just crazy, man. Well, you know, head injuries are no joke, man. And that was one of the things that um Brock was talking about with uh WWE that earlier in his career he had issues where he was, you know, those guys are flipping each other and landing. People could say that's fake wrestling. They use that term fake wrestling. Those flips

66:32are real, man. The impact is real. Those guys getting body slammed. That's all that all counts. cutting themselves and then, you know, attacks like Mankind used to do and falling off the cages and the tables and then those uh those metal chairs and they would just bash him over there. I'm like, "Fuck, that's real, man. That that's a real impact." That's real. Yeah. Yeah. That I'm like, "Dude, that's crazy, dude." It is crazy. And did you see that a lot of those guys are suing the WWE now? Like Jimmy Superfly Snooka was wearing a suit and going to court and they're suing the WWE for Superfly still around. Superfly is still around. That guy's probably got some head injuries. Didn't he used to jump off the rope and do like the headbutt? Yeah, that was his thing. One of the most dangerous moves. He would get the super fly. He would stand on the top ring and fly to the air. His jungle chise.

67:15Boom. His brain jostling around inside his coconut. He had that Jean Simmons hair. Dude, that's sick. That's tight. He was my favorite, man. My manager was just telling me about Jake the Snake. Uh there's a documentary on Netflix and it's just sad that that guy he went to alcoholism to depression was in a trailer just went from having everything to those those injuries and self-medication into drug and alcohol addiction and stuff. It's a hard world a hard road. That's that life of being a pro wrestler is so difficult. They don't get nearly enough credit for what they do. Those guys are on the road sometimes 260 plus days a year and they are throwing each other through doors and smashing each other in the head and all the stunts that they have to do. All the flips and all the craziness while lifting like meattheads, too. Juicing up and juicing up. Lifting like crazy. That's crazy,

68:10man. Yeah, it is crazy. But it's a lifestyle. Yeah. I mean, they choose it, I guess. You got to love it. Yeah, you do. You know, and you got you got to love it. And that that's really that's ultimately their decision. It is I guess but su I think Superfly was saying that well see no one knew it's kind of crazy that this is really recent but you know when I was a kid I was in high school in the 80s and Superfly was the man you know he was like the big deal in the 80s when I was in high school. So no one knew about concussions back then. No one knew anything about CTE. We never heard of that term. Yeah. We heard of brain damage like guys get punched drunk. That's what we heard. But no, but we always thought, oh, you could kind of tell you see a guy like starting to slur his words, it's time to stop and you'll get better, you know. Yeah. But that's we didn't know that you get it from

69:02playing football. You never heard of that, right? No. Nobody even talked about that. I did. Well, the NFL covered it up. Yeah. You know, well, that was I didn't see that movie Concussion, but that's what it's based on, right? Yeah. And you know, but at the same time, you know, the guys, they want to go out there, they want to play, they want to they want to compete. You know, it's just a natural drive. But I mean, you are putting yourself at risk. But, you know, at the same time, we could all just go out of here and get in a car accident and die just like that. You know, there's a lot of things that people do that they really, really enjoy that are risky. Are we supposed to tell people they can't surf anymore because there's sharks out there? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what are we supposed to do? You tell tell people they can't race cars anymore. You can't It's uh I mean,

69:38no one could talk about it better than you. I mean, you're a professional cage fighter. It's one of the most dangerous jobs in all sports. I started just fighting for just kind of defend myself going through different schools and getting bullied and you know I started fighting fighting but then uh once I kind of got into the sport and my uncle who or kind of led me into this my grandpa and then I I started fighting at uh 16 years old and I was fighting like grown men and adults and uh MMA fights MMA at no holds bars like we'd go to a bar and there would be like pool tables people be drinking beer. I couldn't even get in. You had to be like 18 to get in. I was 16 but my grandpa he was super cool nice guy. He allowed me to come in and I was fighting these grown men. I was like, "Your grandpa brought you to fight in a cage when you were 16?" Cuz he knew I was legit, man. Your grandpa

70:20must be gangster. He He was He's passed away, but yeah, he uh he was gangster. What a great grandpa. Yeah, he boxed and wrestled throughout his life and was a competitor and uh Wow. He seen me get in a couple street fights, you know, and he's like, you know, he knew I was wrestling. I'd always kind of get scrapping and wrestle cuz I used to just cross face people real hard and I'd always kind of get into a little scrapping match or whatever. And uh he invited me out there and Josh Near was the man out there at the time and I was 16 years old and I go out there and I just start I start fighting and then like once I once I did that and then like my first fight and then my my older sister she was there and like she uh there was like these strippers that were there. I mean had huge boobs, you know. I never seen anything like that and she's like, "Oh, this is my brother. He

71:00just won." They're like, "Oh, hey, like what's up?" You know, and I'm like, "Man, like this is the life, right? Just knock somebody out, you know?" Now, now the girls are hitting me up, you know? And now then like I was like the man in school and I did it and I did it just because I loved it. And you know now now I look back today and I'm like man here I am making thousands of dollars traveling the world meeting people sitting down here to the podcast Joe Rogan. I'm like damn dude this fighting really took me very far. I feel like I found my passion. But well you caught a wave you know you caught it like right when it was taking off and like we were talking about you were in the UFC before there was even a 155 pound division. And you were thinking about fighting 170, you know, and Josh old school. Josh Ne was old school as That's a tough dude. That's another dude doesn't get

71:40enough credit. Josh, he's a talented man. And tough as nails. Yep. My best man. That's my guy, dude. My right-hand man. It's a good dude. Good fighter, man. You ever see that video? I'm sure you've seen it. Hell of a father, too, dude. He's He's a good dude. He's actually pretty smart with his money. A lot of people thought he was stupid just because he's quiet or people like, "What's up with him?" I'm like, "I just don't want to talk to people. He just thinks a lot of people are bullshitting, you know, which mainly are, you know. Yeah. He just he's real conservative and then but once you get to know him, dude, he's the funniest dude. He's always pranking people. Yeah. He's a jokester and he was really good with his money and he he uh he paved the way for a lot of Iowa guys, you know, coming out of De Moine, you know, he went up to Militic. I followed

72:17him and uh I wouldn't be here today if it weren't for him. That's a good story, man. Guy's an animal. Yeah, I'm I was always a big fan of the way he fights, too. fought. He fought very, very smart and very tough, technical, relentless, dude. Did you see that? I'm sure you've seen it. I was going to say the video. Some dude came into the gym and challenged him, some big ass dude, and he beat the out of the guy. Yeah, he had he had a story about that. That guy was kind of bullying him. He said that the guy was huge. Real cool. Yeah. He said he met him out at the bar and he's like, "Hey, let me buy you a drink. Let me buy you a drink." And he's being cool at the bar and he's just like, "Man, this guy's kind of weird." So, he kind of separated. Didn't have any confrontation. The guy was being all cool. He says as he was leaving, he's like, "Man, I went to go get some girls,

72:54you know." He's like, "This guy, there's a lot of dudes at the bar. Like, I left." He's like, "I I look on my phone, it's on Facebook. This guy's like, "F you, dude. I'll beat your ass." Blah, blah, blah. Like, you don't know me. D. And Josh is like, "Okay, bro. I don't even know you, but you know, I thought So, out of nowhere, he meets the guy, says, "All right, man. I'm I'm going to get out of here." And then the guy just starts talking crazy after he left. And then he keeps keeps harassing Josh. And Josh is like, "Okay, bro. like I don't I don't get why you're coming at me, but you want to come to the gym, sign the waiver, we can go at it. And so Josh, that's by the way, way bigger than him. Way bigger. Way bigger. I think he's got some issues. And well, Josh fought like 55. Did he fight 70? 55 and he fought 70 toward the end. This guy's like 220 at least. Yeah. Right. Big

73:34dude. Enormous dude. And he comes in, I guess Josh like sparred a little bit, but he was kind of like conserving and he's like cuz I figured this guy was going to come in and he said he came in and then he's like, "Let's go." And then they like they they laced up and then they fought and then Josh just kind of you know just walked forward just kept his hands up let the guy kind of bomb and get tired and he eventually took him down and started putting it on him. Yeah. He beat the out of him. But didn't the guy have boxing gloves on? Wasn't there something weird like he went small or box? He the guy chose the boxing so he he chose what he wanted to do. So it was like an old school UFC event like a crap like it was like going down and and then the guy was like weren't someone wasn't someone trying to press charges on Josh? No, no charges ever. There was some weirdness

74:14going on because it was all over the the the internet and everybody was talking about what Near did was kind of up and I'm like, well, I don't know, man. When a guy comes to your gym and wants to fight like that, that's a a weird predicament for a professional fighter to be in, but it's real common. Like dojo wars have always been common. Diaz was in them. I mean, uh that's how they say the Gracies back in the day. They would uh these boxers and uh weightlifters. I mean, there's a lot of old school videos of guys would just come in like, "You think you're the man with this jiu-jitsu stuff? Like, let's see it." Then they would get beat up and tapped out, you know, and then they obviously had a respect for it. That's that happens in all sorts of martial arts schools. That happened in my taekwondo school all the time. Once or twice, like a year, some guy would come

74:58in out of nowhere that wanted to fight and then they would put him in there with a black belt and he'd get kicked in the head. It was it was common. It was super common. It's like I think that's always going to be the case. If you have a place that teaches people how to fight, there's always going to be some whackadoo who thinks he knows how to fight, wants to go in there. And these street guys, man, I don't get it. And I seen Dominic Cruz on a video not that long ago uh old school video of beat thug. He's like comes in and then he's like he's like, "No, just stand with me, you know, and this and that." I was like, "Did you ever see that video? There's a video of a dojo war where this these karate guys beat this homeless guy like almost to death." And the word was that they beat him to death and but they dragged the guy out and threw him in a dumpster. But this is uh See, I don't

75:43know if anybody ever like definitively cuz this was like something that took place in like the 1980s and I don't know if they ever It's a very disturbing video to watch because the guy like he was getting his ass kicked and the guy kept beating him up. This is it. Yeah. So, I think the guy who's the homeless guy who's uh is he wearing the bell bottoms right there? Yeah, that dude. That dude. See, it says right there, mentally challenged man beaten to death by MMA fighter. See, it wasn't MMA because there wasn't even MMA back then. So, the the the guy behind him, the black guy with the black belt in the white ghee is the guy who beat the out of him. And this guy, I guess he was just a crazy person and these guys exist that pretended he knew martial arts. And I think he thought he was just going to go in there and work out or something. And so he's like throwing these little

76:40He's got like a little something throwing some kicks. But look, he's not he's not even like he's really trying to hit him. It seems it's weird. Touch. He's kind of crazy. But the other guy is like taking his time and he winds up beating the out of him. A little ice little inside leg kick. So I don't know what style of karate it is, but they're This is super old school. I mean the the video is shitty as See, but yeah, that but he's throwing the the other guy's throwing, but he's like doing like karate like Oh, he tried to wheel kick to the leg. Sweep the leg. Yeah, it's weird, man. It's it's it's weird because it's not Oh, see you just connected. Left hook. The guy just doesn't really know how to fight, but he sort of knows how to look like he's fighting. He just crushed him right there. Why he going to keep pounding him? No, he's he beats the out of

77:32this guy. It's way worse than this. Oh, he head kicks him talking about. Yeah, the need to downed opponent. Is that black dynamite? And he's like, I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. He's like, nope. So then he he comes back. He's see now he's almost kind of like fighting for his life, but he's fighting a guy that's a trained martial artist that's probably been doing this forever cuz he's a black belt. He should have just kind of knocked him and let it let it be, dude. Yeah, he's Oh, they got sound effects. Oh yeah, it's unnecessary right there. He's out. He's out. He's out, dude. Oh my god. The dude's done. You hear that? Oh, see it stomps. these headstones. Drag him out the back door, dude. Drag him out the back door. Yeah. Damn, that's crazy. Look at the blood. The blood coming out of his head. Get that. I want the sash. Yeah, get myself. Did that guy ever get

78:26any trouble for that? I don't know. I don't know what the story is behind that is the trail of the kung fu. And this is this is Snapchat today where you're snitching on yourself right here. Basically evidence. He is. This is the blood departing my dojo. Wow, man. Yeah, that's kind of messed up. Was taken on 13 December 1984. There it goes. Told the date 7 p.m. 7 p.m. What is this guy trying to go to jail? Jesus. It's I mean Snapchat. Boy, I guess you could kind of make the argument that that it was a fight. So what happens? Did they show where they put the guy? Is this outside? What is just blood on the ground? Did the guy die or No, he didn't. I don't know. I don't know cuz I don't I don't know if anybody has ever Well, see if you can find out whatever data is on it. That's insane. My point is like those kind of things, they've they've happened throughout the history of martial arts

79:27schools. I saw a bunch of dojo wars back in my taekwond do days, but I never saw anybody get beaten to death like that. Or if the guy was beaten, he could have easily died. He got stomped on the head twice while he was unconscious and that was a big guy that stomped him and he stomped him on the temple. He could die. The guy was knocked out with the knees on the ground and he was so like trying to get over but you clear as day the guy's out of his wits his knee him in the back of the head and a couple stomp that that's kind of nemps too was his head was flat completely on the ground. That guy just stomped his head. Yeah. Weird. Yeah. And it's a guy obviously a karate guy who knows how to kick and he's stomping you. That's not like a regular person stomping you. The guy's going to get some force behind those stomps. Yeah. I don't know what happened. See what we find out. Sorry to

80:15be a mood breakaker. Whoa. What's next for you, brother? What What's going on? I want I want the big fights, man. I was Aldo, you know, but I mean, you know, I know Max Holloway's in front of me and the guys who are are in front of me right now. You're in the mix coming off lost. Yeah. Wait, what's what do they I don't like the rankings, man. I don't I I just want to fight, man. And I've been I've been dude I I'm the type of guy that I just go up. Sean Shelby sees me and he looks at me and then he just like runs the other way cuz What are the What are the rankings? I think I'm number like seven, but like Dennis Bermuda is number six. I think he's in front of me. See, how's that work? See, here's a that's a perfect example. I don't pay attention to that, man. Honestly, um I've been fighting everybody in the 55 and 45 division. It's like Well, the rankings are based on um people's input,

81:02but it's not. It's it's the input of writers, you know, like here's a perfect example. When Conor McGregor knocked out Jose Aldo, some Brazilian writer put him lower on the list than he was before. He's just jealous. Yeah. Well, there's a lot of other other nutty Like here's a perfect example. When Uriah Hall knocked out Gagear Mousasi. Yeah. That he was ranked below him after the fight. Below him on the rankings. Well, what the what the is the point of the rankings if you fight a guy, you knock him out, you stop him, he jump spinning, back kicked him in the head, and then put him away. What the What more does a guy have to do to get ranked ahead of a guy? You know, I guess their idea is that Mousasi has more experience. Like, if you watch Uriah Hall fight and you can't tell he's a Yeah. Yeah. He's a beast. Then stop stop watching fights. Stop commenting. Stop. Stop writing

81:57That's crazy. He won. He won. He moves ahead. That's it. Yep. I believe that too, man. So, how the is Dennis Bermuda's ahead of you? I don't know. I think because maybe he beat me he beat Max and then I lost to Max, which is a When did he beat Max? Holloway? Yeah, he beat Holloway. When did he beat Holloway? A couple years ago before Connor did. Yeah, Bermudas is a beast, dude. But he is very good. He's very good. No doubt about it. I'm not saying one of the best. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Bermudas. is an awesome fighter, but I did not know that he beat Holloway. I thought Holloway's only loss was to uh Connor. Connor and uh Dennis and he lost to Porier. Well, well, also Holloway is really young, you know. I mean, you think when he fought Dennis, I mean, I didn't even know he fought Dennis. I'm trying to remember that fight, but when

82:43he fought Connor, he was really young, too. I mean, he's a young kid. Yeah. Talented. I used to train with that guy back and forth, so it's kind of weird fighting him. And that's why maybe the fight with what this didn't play. He knew I had the power and then he just kind of played the this moving around game and it was just weird, man. I really couldn't get into a my style of fighting, my rhythm and it was just kind of like he's clever. Yeah. Yeah. And he he moves a lot. Yeah. He's he's clever in not being there for the big shots. He rarely gets hit with big shots. He mixes good with uh switch stances and everything, but just overall we never really got into a a fight. I felt like we just really didn't get get in that type of engagement. And it was just weird cuz I I trained with this guy before. I I like I knew who he was and like I'm in there and things are going

83:28so slow that I know exactly everything's going on. I really just couldn't be in the moment. I'm kind of like man like I know everything. Like I'm seeing people in the front row. I just I just felt really weird. Oh wow. So like you weren't zoned in. Yeah. Just didn't have like the the focus. I don't know. Maybe it was just snake handle. Yeah. Yeah. Right. His little his little tattoos had him in the zone or something, dude. I don't know. That was just a weird weird smart for him, man. He He's a very clever guy. I like the way he fights. I like the way he fought Cub Swanson. I was super impressed with that cuz Cub is dangerous as Yep. That's another good one. Uh the way he fought uh Ricardo Llamas when he was like, "Let's just let's do it right here." that was crazy. Throw it down the end of the fight. I'm like, "Babe, bro, why don't we do that?" You know, like come on, man. Yeah. Well,

84:15there's there's certain levels of knockout power. Man, back in the day, dude, I used to I used to throw him around a lot. So, he I think he just knew that he just wasn't going to try to engage with me and he just was going to stay away. Power is a weird thing, isn't it? It's like some guys like you just have certain Yeah. There's just no getting around that. There's like there's certain guys that no matter what they do, they'll have great technique. They'll win fights. They'll even knock guys out, but they'll never just be able to just step in and Rumble Johnson somebody. Yeah. Savage. You know, that's just what makes Rumble Johnson him and that's what makes him me. And Robbie Lawler are probably three and the same. Yep. And I don't try to be a movement guy. I don't try to do do this and that. I like to be in the fight getting after it because I feel like I

84:58can break people that or I'm going to knock you out. If not, I'm going to be in shape to go all the rounds. Do you ever think that maybe if you could be a movement guy and could do all those other things, you could have that as well? Because it's not like your power is ever going to go away. You're always going to have that. Like when you knocked out Dojos with that uppercut, like that's that's classic Jeremy Stevens, you know, when you knocked out Bermudas with that flying knee, you've got that power. Like if you incorporated all those other techniques that you see these other guys doing as well, like, you know, have you ever thought of that? Like maybe just expanding Oh, yeah. what you do and also tripping people out too because people expect a certain kind kind of fight from you cuz you're so aggressive. You're so, you know, moving forward all the time that if you fought

85:42in a different way, it would probably people up. Yeah. I mean, I'm always trying to work on everything cuz I feel like you have to be adapting using the Charles Darwin theory. It's not the strongest or the smartest person who's willing to adapt to change that's going to be around the longest. And uh you got so many young talented kids coming up uh you know like just young you know like little Max Holloways Yay Rodriguez like these little uh Pettis little Pettis bro. And uh I mean you got this talent you have to constantly be evolving getting better working your game and all angles jiu-jitsu wrestling. Who is the air fighting? He's fighting someone good. Caseris going to be interesting those uh little barn barn burns. I like Caceres. He's a funny dude. I see that fight going like uh that uh that Tony Ferguson and that other guy. I see that fight little funky fight just action

86:30going on. Craziness. Yeah, like real legit fight. Rodriguez is no joke, man. Yeah, dude. That's what I'm saying. You got to be kick. Got to be on your toes, man. Damn, that dude throws some wild f his the Andrew the Feelely fight. Oh, we caught him with that flying roundhouse kick. God damn, he's good. Yeah. Yeah. He's also like he he practices that so often. Like you ever see him hit pads? He's karate. Karate. Yeah. Well, Taekwondo. Yeah. He'll throw like all that spinning in in practice all the time. Like it's a part of his normal combination. First first nature, you know? He's not just trying to do that or try to try not to be or try to be exciting or something. He just kind of harnesses his own. What did you think of uh Aldo versus Edgar this the second fight? Oh, it's boring, dude. Did you think it was boring? I think it was boring. I think as as a as a fighter, there was a lot of

87:21stuff going on as at a high level and uh good stuff going on, but I just thought it was boring. I just felt like Aldo just fought to just get by and win, man. See, but Aldo or uh Frankie didn't look like himself, man. I think he got caught a bunch of times. I think Aldo looked masterful. I thought it was a brilliant fight. Yeah. I mean, if you're going to fight Frankie, that's the way to fight him. Yeah. I mean, he threw very little kicks, countered with punches and movement. I thought he looked great. Yeah, as far as like I don't I mean that's what that's what I'm saying as as like I look at that and I'm like I see I see the type of level that is at but it's just like it was a boring fight but then I also felt like it was it was kind of weird. I didn't see Frankie moving like he did and it made me kind of think maybe he was injured. I just think he just got caught. I just think he got

88:05he's a little guy too and and and Jo Jose's a lot a lot bigger than him and he's had his number and Aldo looked big in that fight too. like he looked smaller for the McGregor fight and I think he concentrated a lot more on strength and conditioning for this fight and he looked like Aldo of old. He looked the looked like the Aldo that knocked out Mendes in Brazil. He looked thick. Yep. So I think Yeah, I think maybe, you know, he's had issues back and forth with making 145. So I maybe he's got it dialed in better. I don't No, I bet I bet he did cuz he he did look great that fight and he did he did fight a a smart fight and I just I just felt like he could have finished finished Frankie. Felt like he could have did a little bit more. But then I also heard that he didn't want to throw kicks and he only used his left hand cuz he he had like some snitches telling him

88:50like that Frankie was going to take him down off kicks, you know, which But that's obvious, isn't it? I mean, obviously Frankie is going to try to take him down off kicks cuz Aldo's got that nasty left uh right leg kick. Yeah. You know, he's always throwing kicks. Yeah. I don't think he's ever really took him down. I mean, Aldo just gets right back up, you know? Well, I mean, he he just fought a great fight if you want to beat Frankie. Yeah. I mean, I liked it. I enjoyed it. Yep. I thought it was a really good fight, but I see your point. It wasn't like, oh oh It wasn't Yeah, I just think stylistically that that that doesn't really play play out with with with Frankie and him. I think you put me and Aldo in there or me and like McGregor, I think you're going to see a lot of highlevel action. We're going to be kicking and punching each other and kneing each other in the face and it's

89:35going to be exciting, you know, at the same time but still very skilled in a method of madness type of way, you know. Yeah. How old are you now, man? 30. Just turned 30. Yeah. So, when you think about your career, do you have it mapped out like what you're trying to accomplish and when when do you have an exit strategy? Do you know when you're when you're going to be done? Like you're in your prime right now? Like athletic prime is like 30 to 34, right? Yeah, exactly. I mean, look at Robbie Lawler. I look up to that guy a lot and the way the way he's kind of handled his career and who's to say within you know what if I go in there in the next like three four fights I'm just getting KO'ed and then it's like okay it's like the same sty like man maybe it's time for me to hang up you know then then I would definitely leave if I'm getting ruined like that and and hurting myself I don't

90:15want to be brain dead or talking about killing my family because I have trauma injuries or anything like that so definitely not but I definitely want to I have an extra strategy and and things that I want to do but as of right now I feel healthy I want I want to keep fighting like I I tell Sean Shelby, I'm like, "Man, keep me active, dude. I don't want to fight twice a year." You know, that's that's that's rough to live off of. And I just want to keep fighting because I just want to be right back in the mix. Even if I had to go out of top 10 right now because everybody else has kind of lost and I've already fought people or they already got fights, you know, let somebody else from like the the 11 or 12, 13th guy in the rankings who's coming off a win. Let's me and him fight and then we can get right back in the mix so that we can get those Jos Aldos, those those Connors because I

90:54want to keep the featherweight exciting, the featherweight division. That's why I moved down here. I feel like a lot more athletic, explosive, and I want those exciting fights. I haven't fought them guys, and I feel like those are great fights for me to go out there and really excel, make some big money, and win and really just shock the world. Well, you've been killing it at featherweight. And what do you walk around at? What do you weigh right now? I'm probably like 175, 177. Damn. I know. I just ran an hour yesterday. You got to lose 30 lbs to get Holy dude. You know what's funny, man, is I I I I do all this work. I I get down and then like you know I they get they give me this time off. I get I I go home. I eat a little bit of food and when I'm when I'm at home like training that's the worst. Like if I'm traveling like I'm actually all right because I'm not eating everything. But

91:36when I get home and my Mexican mama's right there just cooking me all the good foods, bro. I'm just just grubbing down and then I'm like, "All right, cool." You know, no one's I'm just training, doing my thing. And then, you know, boom. What What kind of diet do you follow? Do you have a nutritionist or anything? Yeah, George Lockhart fitness. Okay. I feel he's brilliant. I've been working with him. He's a guy that doesn't get enough credit, you know, because he's worked with a lot of athletes in a lot a lot of fighters and um done a fantastic job. He's really good and military, too. And he knows what he's doing, man. He doesn't charge me $10,000 a camp. So, I think he's great. I've been working with him since beginning. I've preached this guy and uh he's amazing, man. He's he's really actually had him a lot in my corner and and uh him coming uh to the last fight,

92:18seeing me work out and he's just like, "Man, dude." He's like, "You're on your stuff, dude." And everything that he gives me, the diet, and I just I feel good, man. I feel good at featherweight. So, when you work with a guy like George Lockhart, what is like what's the protocol? Like, how does he set up your camp? Like, it's all it's all computerized. I can basically just go into the computer, type in my weight, uh the times that I'm training, uh the hours that I'm training to, uh the intensity, and then uh I type in my weight. I wake up in the morning, weigh myself, and then I type that into the computer. And then the computer just goes off of day-to-day basics. gives me like say if I don't have keer I can substitute for egg whites and it's all computerized. If I need any help or I'm like hey I'm not doing this he'll he'll adjust a little bit of things for me.

92:59It's basically right there on the computer. Do you get blood work done where you find your nutrient levels or find what you need or what you need to supplement with? I have I have a long time ago and I h I haven't done that recently but uh you know it's nutritionist like George Lockhart. I I feel great. I I honestly I feel amazing when when I'm feeling good and I'm in that right mindset and training hard. I I feel good. But no, I haven't gotten the the blood work done in a while, but I I did do that. So, it's interesting. It's all computerized so that you you write your weight. You type your weight in and you type like what you like say if you got a strength and conditioning day and he adjusts your caloric intake accordingly. Yep. Calorie intake, you know, depends on a program that does all this. Yeah, he has it all programmed. Wow. I'm not for sure the exact details

93:40how he does that. You know, that's that's his thing and and why he makes his money. But uh so does it show you immediately or do you send him the information then he sends it back to you? Yeah, immediately I just click it in and then it shows you. Yep. Shows me right there. And then uh then like by like Saturday or Sunday, it it adjusts for like the work week. So they can see how much how much I'm losing. If I need to uh lower the calorie intake or if like maybe like I'm feeling kind of lethargic and my weight's good, he'll up a little bit of carbs for me. You know, if I call him like, "Hey man, you know, I I've been doing good. I've been killing it this week, but you know, I'm just uh my weight's down." He's like, "Oh, weight's good. Okay, let's let's get a little bit more uh half of a sweet potato or a little bit more oatmeal before practice or something like that.

94:19So, he's uh he's very smart, man. He's very uh real calculated in his approach and it's uh it's interesting to learn from and the nutrition and everything that I get all natural. All natural. What's George's background? Uh he's a military guy. He actually used to be uh he he told me that he was actually a chunkier kid growing up and then he just got into diet, nutrition, and losing weight. And then he got into the military and helping out the military with uh nutrition. That's interesting that he's devised a computer program. I haven't heard of anybody else that does that where you can enter in all the the data and it gives you instant results. Yeah, let's check that out. That is that's very interesting. I'm I want to check out his I'm going to I'm going to go look at this after the fitnessvt.com and uh I've been trying to tell get people on this a long time ago. I'm

95:04like, man, this is simple. It's easy to sign down stand for uh I'm not for sure. Fitness VT. I'm not for sure what that Okay. Um so when you uh when you work with him, like say if you start now and you're 177 pounds, how much time do you need to get down to 145 and what do you weigh before you start your the big cut before you dehydrate yourself? Uh, I would only need nine weeks, nine, 10 weeks and I'll be ready to go. And then, you know, the the the thing with now without the IVs is I've been putting in a lot of road work, you know, uh, on top of things. I'm just been putting in extra credit, the road work, the the the runs, the the swims, the the cycling. Uh, you know, I'm I'm into all that now as far as pushing cardio fa uh, pace. But, you know, a lot of people just they work out, they work out, they work out, and then they just do these drastic weight cuts. And I used to do these and

95:54uh you know I'd still feel fine but I was cutting so much weight man and it it really started to hurt. I mean, I'm laying in my deathbed and it was like a nasty baptism. And uh and now now you know with the with these runs and and burning fats, I've learned how to stay smart and and learn like okay now you need three weeks hard and then like a week of recovery like on runs and and running like after say say we do like 75 minutes of just straight wrestling and then I'll I'll go run another 45 to an hour just at a real low pace that I'm just burning fats, burning calories and like throughout the week I'm burning like a like a pound and a half to two pounds per week just depending on my body fat. And as slowly I get down, I just keep niching, niching, nitching. And then come time to the the weight cut, I'm only I'm only cutting, you know, 12 pounds. You know, granted, I've

96:40cut a lot over the time, but I've burned a lot of body fat. And then at that point, your body starts to just rejuvenate. You're recovering. You're burning more than you're eating. And then I'm dropping dropping weight. It makes the weight cut a lot easier. Then once I do the water loads and and more towards the weight cut, it's just it's that much easier. And it's a lot easier going in, you know, not like, man, man, I got to cut another 15 pounds. I'm already dying, dude. That sucks, dude. I've done Well, I'm looking at a guy like you, you know, if I if I didn't know any better, like if I wasn't uh involved in the sport, um and I saw a guy like you that's 177 or something you're saying 175, whatever you're at. And I and someone said, "You're going to fight at 145." I'd be like, "What?" Like, you're not he doesn't have any fat to lose. Like, I'm looking at you like

97:21you don't have you're not fat at all at 175. I've always been solid. I've never been like uh real fluffed up or anything, you know? I've always just been like one of those solid guys. I've never been you never seen me get tossed around or anything like that. I've just always just been solid. Well, that's why it's crazy to think that you could even get down to 145. Like, and I don't I don't really lift a lot of weights. I do I do a lot of more footwork, explosions with medicine balls and kettle bells and and a lot of sprints, you know? I I focus cardio. Cardio is king, man. It really is, right? Yep. And it helps your mental out a lot and helps weight cuts a lot easier. A lot of people don't do that. They just train, train, train, kill themselves. Excuse me. And then they go to cut all that weight and they don't understand this. How does cardio help your your your mental state? The

98:06runs and the weight cuts. Yeah. Just like uh I don't know, man. You just go through breakthroughs like when you don't want to run and it's like you're tired after 75 minutes, you're like, man, dude. I got to do this run. But then when you do it and then you're like, man, I don't want to do it. Like you got 20 more minutes and you're just like 20 more minutes and okay, I'm going to pick up the pace a little bit or I'm going to I'm going keep going through. Sometimes you'll just kind of get ran down, ran down, and then like all of a sudden like you'll hit that that final run or or next run and then boom, you have a breakthrough. Next thing you know, next week you're recovering a little bit faster. You notice that the the fresh guys that are coming in, they're getting more tired than you in just one round and you start having these little mental breakthroughs and

98:42these little little little psychological steps. You ever read the Art of War? Mh. It's just like little little moves like that that you can kind of see that are that are that are approaching your game and and it's just the the psychological effect that like, hey man, I' I've done this cardio and then I ran for this amount. I mean, the last the last camp I ran to Brazil and back basically how much I ran. So I was like, dude, there's no way that this guy's going to push a pace that I can't handle, right? You know, and it's just uh these mental breakthroughs that the runs really help. That's interesting. So you what kind of strength and conditioning like what kind of uh cardio do you do outside of running? Sprints. Sprints. Lot of sprints. But that's running too, right? You heard like Dominic Cruz. I mean that guy just moves moves moves moves and Yeah. sprints. That's that's just part of

99:26running. And then um you know just strength conditioning mixing in sprints with a lot of explosive movements, a lot of footwork lateral stuff that that uh that what's his name again? Yep. Naughty Agular does. Yep. I mean I work with George Castro now at Alliance MMA. He's uh he's been with me for a while and he's a guy that really he's like my big brother when I don't want to do and he's like no like we're going to get this done. He's that little voice that's like yeah you can but it's real voice. He's that dude who can train like turn it all the way up. Somebody I that can really push me. You know some guys you're just like if this guy was over, you know, no offense if he's like yelling at me like do these sprints like come on bro. But when you see you looked him right in the eye he's offended and uh you know George C's just that guy. He's like my big brother. He's like, he's

100:09like, "Hey, let's get this done. You want to win?" He's like, "Do you want to win?" Like, "Yeah." And he he just he just I connect with him mentally. It's like, uh, I can I can I can feel, bro. He's like, he's got a big heart. He cares. He genuinely really pushing you to the top. And, man, we've been we've been dominant lately. And so, when you're doing uh you're doing sprints and what other kind of uh things you doing like conditioning wise? Uh, we hit the track. We hit the track usually about every Saturday. Uh, you know, we're we're doing a lot of lateral drills. We're doing 100 yard sprints. We're we're running around full track sprint. So a lot of his legs, a lot of legs, cardio, man. Cardio is king. A lot of a lot of running, a lot of air. Are you doing anything with your your arms? We do the aerodines. We do, you know, lateral drills, explosive medicine

100:51balls, throws, kettle bells. What is that uh that wheel with your hands that you do that's like a bike with your hands? A lot of guys do. Do you do that thing? You know what I'm talking about? You know, you know the thing I'm talking about. Yeah. Brock Lesnar had that thing, too. Yeah. I don't I've never done that. Just use the old school speed bang. Mhm. Oh, is that what you do? Yeah. That or just get my uh Miguel Rey as my boxing coach, dude. He'll he'll have you throwing like 5,000 punches in a round. You know, that that guy's the man. He's Mexican style. He's from Tijana. You know, he's old school tie boxer. Yeah. Isn't it funny how many badass fighters came out of Mexico? It's kind of crazy when you really stop and think about it. They live in a different world, man. You're talking about drug lords. If you go down to their into their gym and they'll probably shoot you

101:33like, "Hey, I want to challenge you. see you and ain't nobody going to care or mention a damn thing or put it on camera. Yeah. You know, so I mean that's a different world they live in down there. Do you monitor your heart rate? Yep. Yep. I sure do. Yep. I do the V2 max and all that and uh I know what zones to kind of stay in when I'm like just kind of slowly doing my runs. But then at the same time, you can't be a and manage your heart rate. You got to get after it, you know? You got to you got to break yourself, dude. I mean, there's so many times that I wanted to quit and that I just felt like crying and was just done. I I pushed myself, but then boom, I had those mental breakthroughs like, you know what? I finished it, dude. I did it. Most people went home after after wrestling. I mean, there's times where I find myself in the gym still running like on the treadmill or running

102:18uh at the beach and no one's around. No one. I'll I'll hit up some of my friends like no no, you know, I'll have like one guy come in and like run with me a few times, but sometimes I find myself alone or my strength conditioning coach will put us through a workout and then I'll go run like another 45, 75 or an hour and a half and I'll look to my left, look to my right and no one's there just like my coach and I'll be like, "Where they at, George? Where they at?" Like the Diaz, you know, cuz his name is George. I'm like, "Where they at, George?" And he's like, "That's why you're savage, dude. That's why you're going to win." And that's really what it comes down to. But as far as the heart rate, I get it. I I do it. I follow that program. But then there's also a time to kill yourself on sprints, you know, not not like sparring. I don't spar all the time. I barely spar at all.

102:59I spar probably once a week. Right now, I haven't I haven't sparred since my fight. I've I've done tie drills and drilling and wrestling and strength conditioning. I've already been doing sprints and running. I just ran an hour easily yesterday and uh I just don't spar spar spar spar preserve. I mean, you can only get hit so many times. I already know I'm tough, you I already know I can fight, you know, but you know, when it comes time to end camp, you know, I I I I do my sparring or, you know, uh probably by Friday I I'll spar two rounds, take a round off, spar around, be done. You know, Alliance is one of the best gyms in the world. And Eric Delier doesn't get enough credit. He's one of those guys. He's just a quiet guy. Doesn't need a lot of attention. I always put him in the category like Mark Henry's another one of those guys. Doesn't get enough

103:43credit. Just sort of like lays back. is not like one of those guys that puts a lot of the spotlight on himself. Yeah. But he's done a phenomenal job. That gym is amazing. Yeah. So many great fighters come out of there as well. We actually got dorms now. So these uh young Mexican fighters and people from all over are starting to come into the uh come into the gym. We have these little uh dorms right next to the gym that uh that are open now that are available. Uh we got Dominic Cruz uh just won the title. You got me winning. You got Phil Davis winning. He's about to fight for a title. Justin Lawrence is back. Uh, I mean, Ross Pearson's there. I mean, he's he's fighting, uh, Jorge Mazvdal coming up. So, uh, all these guys were putting on good win streaks. So, Pearson's fight. Is he fighting at 170? Yeah, I think so. 170. So, Ross is moving to 170. No, I think cuz Midal is 170 unless

104:30Ross Fidal is go down to 55 again. No, he's fighting at 170. Oh, yeah. Cuz he just had that close fight with Will or, you know, I think he maybe lost the one first or two rounds and then at the end, you know, Ross was putting it on him. I guess uh he just hit up Joe was like, "Hey, I heard old boy backed out. I'm I'm ready to go. Weight's good." And Joe's like, "Yeah." Because Ross was fighting at 45 for a little bit. Tried 45, but god damn, he was skinny as well. He didn't like that. Yeah, he didn't like that at all. He's He's cutting a lot of weight. I don't know if he was doing it properly or whatnot, but he he just didn't like it. And he likes fighting 55. Ross likes to lift and he's a big dude. He's got some big legs on him. He's he's a power guy. And uh you know, 45 is tough, dude. Yeah, I would imagine. it it's uh takes everything I got. But I kind of like putting it to

105:12that point where it's it's it's breaking the edge, you know, cuz there there there's a point where like I'm nice, like I'm fine, you know, like you fight, you know, the whole weigh in thing. We'll get into that a little bit later about how you can weigh in early and then you eat. I kind of like that edge, you know, where I'm I feel like I'm dying and then like I look that guy in the eye who's, you know, I think about who he could beat me or this and that, you know, I'm training for him the whole camp and I I kind of like that that that edge that that switch of that that meanness, you know, like it's on, Like I've been training a long time, you know? I've I've put everything into this and it really takes all I got to make 45. So I I kind of like that switch for me and some people may be different. You you like the fact that you you know that he's got to go

105:53through that as well. So, I like the fact that I have to. It takes everything I have and all the discipline and all hard training to make 145 pounds. And once I'm there, I feel mean. I feel ferocious. I feel mentally strong. And it takes everything I got. And I like doing that because I'm I'm going to be at my best and I'm going to perform at my best when when it's like that. It's a good mental switch for me to have. I like that. That's my style. That's interesting. you know, um, Conor McGregor's coach was talking about that he thinks that Conor not cutting weight was probably a bad thing for him and that, you know, fighting Diaz and just being able to eat whatever he wanted and not go through the grueling pattern that he's gone through all these other fights. Yeah. Look at his demeanor though at the weigh-ins where at 45 he looks like a savage. I mean, he looks

106:39like death like us like like we all do, but he looks like he's like, "You know what? I'm ready. I'm ready to get after. He's he looks mean." when he came in and fought Diaz, he's like smiling and he's all happy, just like, oh, body fat. Yeah. You see his demeanor, he's like, oh, you know, nothing's going on. It's like, okay, now these guys that are weighing in, does that does that take away a little bit of the intensity? You know, I was kind of asking Dominic that a little bit. And he's just like, no, still going to get after it, you know, cuz I was like, man, if I go back and I already eat a steak and I come in, like, am I going to be that intense at the at the weigh- in? Oh, you mean what you're saying is um because there's new weigh-in rules where you can weigh in way earlier. So, um, when they announce the weigh-ins now, like say if, uh, the fighters weigh in at 4:00, you've

107:21already weighed in. You weigh in at 10:00 in the morning. So, you've already had a chance to rehydrate, get some food, and then you get back on this. The good thing is everybody looks way healthier when they weigh in because, man, some like Connor is a perfect example. Some guys would weigh in. James Irvin was probably the worst ever. James Irvin when he would fight at 185, like Jesus Christ, you'd see him, he was so drained. Oh my god, man. He was so drained. He looked he looked crazy. He looked it looked like like he was about to die. Yeah. The first time I made 45, I remember seeing you and Dana and you like Dana was like, "You're all right." And I was like, "Yeah." Like, "Yeah, I'm all right." And that was IV days, right? Yeah. How much of a difference is it using an IV and not using an IV? I don't really feel a difference to be honest. Really? Yeah. I

108:05mean, George Lockhart, he may be changing that for me uh because of his nutrition that he that he that he's there. this whole team's there just feed me coming in knocking on my my uh hotel room and like eat this do this at this times and it just makes it easier and then uh you know they rehydrate me properly and I and I believe in in those guys and my team and the rehydration and I feel the same if not I I feel better. So that's interesting. You feel better. H yeah some guys have said that like Joe Silva was actually telling me that it's actually more effective to do it orally. Orally. Yep. Yeah. A lot of doctors said that. Uh, one of my doctors, uh, Brad Archers, back home said that it, uh, he gave me a lot of tips, you know, cuz when this came in, I'm like, I'm freaking out. I'm like, dude. They're taking me these IVs. I'm going to have to go back 55, you know. I'm

108:47freaking out, you know, and uh, they were sending me all this stuff, you know, and I I read a lot about it because I was like, all right, well, do this. And then I met Daryl Christian, one of my uh, wrestling coaches, who's a who's a phenom Olympian, and uh, he's just like, "We got to put in this road work, dude." He's like, "We got to start building you a cardio base." He's like, "You've always just killed yourself, killed yourself, and then had to kill yourself making weight." He's like, "You never built a cardio base. You never had a solid foundation." So then we started these heart rate monitors, V2s, and putting in these run programs, putting in these different sprints and But you were always in good shape. Like, what do you mean by you didn't have a cardio base? Uh, I was more or less just sprint. I was just topheavy. I never really had a low intensity. And uh, what

109:26is it like the V2 max? They the reason why people do that is because a lot of people wanted to know how they would build endurance. And people think that you just need to sprint, sprint, sprint, sprint, sprint, and you're going to be in good shape. Granted, you might be in good shape, but none of them had a low base cardio where they would just run at like say like a 4.8 or 5.0 on a treadmill for a long period of time. And that's actually how you build the anorobic system a lot better is through lowbased cardio. It's not higher system or is it aerobic? Aerobic. Yeah. Yeah. Aerobic system. Is it aerobic is like exploding? Yeah. They they they find that you you can uh expand recovery and and uh work harder in a lactic threshold by doing the low base cardio like Diaz does. Yeah. It's just constant pressure cuz you got that guy who's going to sprint and he's

110:13going to head out and then like he's going to drop down in in in that round and the guy might be here but then he's going to sprint but then he just he just can't he's just going to slowly start to pull and that's how Diaz he slowly just kind of just passes you. The guy may sprint and be punching punching but he just sticks pop pop. Yeah. You know, with Diaz is hitting you with 50% punches, but he's hitting you with 30 times more than you're throwing constant. And then in in the rounds, he's able to recover even better while you're already at lactic threshold. Then you try to you try to fire up the heart rate again. It's like, dude, your body's like, man, it's just shot. And they found out through those V2s and those runs that uh the aerobic base is built more through low base cardio. And that's what he's talking about building the base because you can't just build a

110:51house, low paceio, low base, low pace. And you can't just build a house without a base. And you need that base. And that's what I really started learning. And honestly, I I feel a lot more efficient. I feel a lot more healthier. And uh my cardio even a lot better in the fights. I I believe that's interesting. So the long runs and the long cardio, it it was sort of like a a solid foundation and then sprints on top of that, explosion on top of that. Got to do it all, man. Do you follow like a Tabata protocol or anything like that? Do you know what that is? No. What's Tabata? Tobata is a an endurance protocol that uh I don't know why why it's called Tobata, but I believe it's like uh 20 second sprints followed by 10 seconds of rest and 20 second sprints. There's there's some sort my friend um John Row told me about it and a lot of athletes apparently follow it. Here it

111:44is. What is Tbata? Tabata training is the most popular one of the most popular forms of high-intensity interval training. uh consists of eight rounds of ultra highintensity exercises in a specific 20 seconds on 10 seconds off interval. Yep. So when it says uh eight rounds, so I guess eight 20 second sprints and eight 10-second rests. Yep. So I do a little bit of Tabata training for sure. I mean we even go even doing 30 seconds, 45 seconds, and then you know eventually it it peaks off in itself. But yeah, for sure 100% be doing that as well. And then low base training. That's interesting that you're uh a big proponent of that long slow style because that was one of the things that some people that weren't fighters but were uh strength and conditioning people would say that that's not going to benefit you. Yeah. You know, they would say that's not what you need to do

112:33in a fight cuz a fight is, you know, explosion. It's fast. You don't have that slow running thing. But old school, like old school boxers, they all ran like that. They all ran long miles. Yeah. And they ran slow. Like you ever see Mike Tyson in his early days just slowly running get up 4 a.m. and he would just run 5 miles. So that I mean 5 miles you could probably get done within low low pace, you know, 35 45 minutes. You know, that's kind of interesting cuz my strength conditioning coach now, George Castro, he used to work out with Don Fry and he'd just be like he'd be like, "Man, one day I was stretching." And then Don's like, "What what the you doing? Get get your gloves on. Get in the ring." And you know, he's like, "Take off your shirt. Let's do this." You know, and then like they just go, but there was no there was no structure to it. But now, you know, we're we're

113:14meeting these coaches and the the the scientists and behind it, you know, and uh you know, my Olympian coach, Daryl Christian, he's just like, "Dude, he's like, you cannot build high base cardio by sprint, sprint, sprint, killing yourself." He's like, "We got to build this low base." And he's also a spinal surgeon, you know, and he's also been in the game for a long time. And he's like, "That's how all these fighters and top-notch guys would stay in shape all year round. It it was drilling, drilling, drilling, drilling." And he's like, "We would just do long runs. anytime we get a break, we had to be doing long runs like every other day. And he's like, "That's why we were able to make weight, stay on task, and and be in shape all the time." And it totally makes sense, man. And it really makes sense when you talk about the Diaz brothers. You know, I I was saying Diaz,

113:54but really both Diaz brothers, but Nate is a little different than Nick cuz Nate will explode more than Nick. Nate is like a little more firepower when he goes after dudes. But both those guys are known for doing triathlons and you know Nick even more so than and you know what they smoke weed too. Yeah. And then they then they go out and then they'll just run forever. Yeah. And that that's okay. You know you're just building that base, building that cardio and they they just and they have those mental breakthroughs like dude I ran three hours after practice. Like what the are you going to do to me? I'm going to keep pacing on you. And you'll see it. I I I I can break people in the gym by constant pressure pace and then like I can recover within 20 30 seconds while they're like right, you know, and their their body is just breaking down and you know, and it it truly does work. And

114:43that's a it's just a simple science. Isn't it funny? Because the the glamour stuff is explosions, right? The glamour stuff is cleans and snatches. Yeah. Throwing tires around a parking lot and sledgehammering a tire. those onic kettle bells that look like they're 10 pounds that weigh like 100. Well, have you ever done the uh Keith Weber kettle bell extreme kettle bell cardio workout? No, dude. This Yeah. What's crazy about it is it's 40. It's he'll you do it with a 35 lb kettle bell and you're like ass 35 lb kettle bell. What the that going to do? It seems like nothing. It's not like glamorous because it's light, but man, it breaks you. It breaks you. Yeah, we we have it. But I'll have I'll have on it send you one, man. I think there's one, two, and I think he has a three out now. But damn, he's a stud. I've had that guy in here, too. He's a a master when it comes to

115:38these um these workouts. And it's the same thing. It's 45 minutes, man. And it's just breaks you down. I I do it. And when I start out, like for the first 20 seconds, I'm like, "How am I even going to get tired doing this?" Yeah. 2 minutes later, I'm like, "Oh my god, I got to do 38 more minutes of this. How the am I going to do this? Yeah. It's the glamorous is like explosions, right? The glamorous is ridiculous. Hitting the back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's that slow. It's more It's more fun to do anyway. Is this it? Yeah. This Aubrey doing it video. See, it seems like it seems like not that big a deal, right? Like what are you doing? You got this little ass weight. You're only doing 35 lbs. But long periods of time doing just difficult like this just constantly moving and squatting and throwing it around. I think there's something real to running, man. I think running is

116:35something there's something about long slow running. It's the mental. Mhm. I think it is that challenge anybody to go out on a run and and don't take your phone. Just go out on a run where you have to run like say you run two two and a half miles and you don't listen to music and you have to go back. I do, but a lot of people they just they'll they'll run like 15 minutes and like they're done. When you say don't take your phone, what just really trying to challenge yourself like one time just, you know, because sometimes I listen to music and sometimes I just like to listen to my thoughts. Like what am I thinking right now? What are my thoughts? What are my thoughts bringing me? And uh it's hard, dude. It's me, it's mentally, you'll find out it's more mentally uh than anything than the physical. Do you get addicted to that runner's high? Yeah, I do. You know

117:18what? Sex is better, dude. You know, sex, sleep, sex is better. Sleep. Yeah. Yeah, dude. Especially when you're doing incline sprints. I just feel like your testosterone's a little up. You know, my girl hates a good sprint. Holla. Anytime uh you're doing like really intense stuff like highintensity things like sprinting, they say is really good for your testosterone. Yeah. And natural hill sprints in particular, right? Yep. Hill sprints or inclines, uh treadmills, uh you know, even working with kettle bells. Mhm. You ever hit like a good kettle bell session and like you're just like, "Man, I feel freaking good." You know, like your testosterone is moving. You just feel, you know, a lot more beasty. Yeah. It's interesting how high intensity stuff does that. It like spikes your endocrine system. Yeah. I I love that. I I like that feel, man. It's It's a natural good feeling that I have.

118:05I'm 30 years old and never injected anything in my life. And uh I I like that high. and the the mental aspect of it. I that's kind of interesting, too, because people who do take steroids, it's like, man, now that that little that little edge that they got, that little high that they were getting, and they're just like, "Yeah, I'm killing it." But then when they stop doing that mentally, they get dude. They're like, "Dude, like, man, am I still the same guy? My body looks different. I never really put in the work." Well, Dan Gamble used to say that, you know, and then like when you think about like you're like, "Man, their mental's got to be broken, you know? Like what what the hell?" Do you ever see Dan Gable uh or hear him talk about that when he was competing against the Russians back during the doping days where the Russians he knew they were all on

118:45steroids but his philosophy was they just got banned from the Olympics too. They didn't actually they changed it. They were about to get banned totally but they pulled back and this they got a real problem with Brazil. Do you hear those um those uh Australian people who are staying in the Olympic village like this place the toilets are all backed up. There's electrical wires hanging out of the walls. is not safe. And what's over the Dan Gable thing though? Cuz that guy's interesting. Dan Gable is a animal, right? One of the best wrestlers ever. Dan said that when he was competing that he felt like it didn't matter if those guys did steroids because they didn't do the work. So, they knew that they didn't do the work. So, in their head, if one thing went wrong, they would unfold and fall apart and he would break them. Y he he felt like he had a mental advantage over guys

119:32that did steroids, the guys that cheated that they were not going to be able to beat him. It didn't matter. And he was right. I mean, he beat everybody. No, I I I believe that the the men when like I said, when you're doing these runs and these mental breakthroughs and you're really putting in the work and it's all said and done and then you're peeking and everything kind of wears off and everything's just flowing, right, it's like you're you just look in the mirror and you're like or look at that guy and you're like, "Dude, there's nothing that you can do that's going to break me. I've already been broken down many of times. The same thing the army does. They break you down to build you up. And then when you're in that complete when you when you've pushed yourself past your limits and you've had those mental breakthroughs of where you thought about quitting, but then you kept going and

120:10then you did it again and again and again and you keep pushing. Like your boy did the 100 miles, now he's going to do 200. You know, just mentally he has an advantage over a lot of people. You get comfortable in that horrible state. Yeah. Being uncomfortable. Uncomfortable. Yeah. Dan Gable though is a there's a cautionary tale in that as well because Dan Gable's had like two hip replacements, knee replacements. Like his body broke, he's so tough he broke his body. Yep. And that's uh that that is, you know, I've always wondered about guys like maybe Kane Velasquez or these guys that are constantly getting injured like they're almost too tough. Yep. Maybe they're not training right. You know, you got to stay up on rehab as much as you're training. Man, I'm at home. You know, everybody's talking about Netflix and chill. When I go home, I'm on a I'm on a lacrosse ball. I'm on

120:56a foam roller. Uh I got a bow staff stick that I I had uh tipped, you know, getting into my neck, getting uh like a bow staff. Yeah. And I had my uh You mean like a um like like guys like hit each other with? Yeah. Yeah. And I had it like tipped out so that like I can like dig into my neck, my pecs, I can put it in the wall so it has like a point at the top cuz you had it shaved down like a pencil. Yeah, pretty much. Jabbing yourself with a vampire steak. Yep. right into all my muscles that are sore. And it And you do it yourself? Yeah. My fascia release. Oh, wow. And you stick it in your neck? Yep. Neck, pecs, uh subscap, you know, I I get in my, you know, breaking up my abdominals, uh getting into my calves, you know, when when I'm at home, you know, cuz I I get like rehab from uh from my therapist like once a week when I'm in camp. But on the on the outside,

121:44like I'm constantly maintenancing my body, the injuries, you know, when I'm throwing those bombs of right hands and stuff. I'm like, man, I'm freaking sore. My neck's jacked. My back's jacked. You know, have you ever used one of these things, man? This is uh Oh, yeah. One of those uh I got I got one supernovas. That's I like that one, but I like the big one even better. Yep. The wad uh supernova from Rogue Fitness. They have those. I live by that big one, man. I like the little one, but honestly, these are more pinpoint. The the big ones will break up like the the bigger areas as good, but then once you once you break that down, you want to get even more pinpoint. Yeah. And lacrosse balls, you just lose a lacrosse ball is just as good. Yeah, in a lot of ways. That one's got a little bit more texture to it. So, some people like that. But, yeah, this is this is legit right here. Rogue.

122:28Yeah. So, when Rogue Fitness, they got a lot of great man. I have um one of those um uh reverse hyper machines from them, too, in the back. You ever use that reverse hyper? Yeah. Hyper. It like vibrates whatever. No, no, no. Reverse hyper is uh it's a a it's a decompression machine. Oh. you uh it's a you lift with it. It's uh Louis Simmons from Westside Barbell invented it. And what it is is um you uh here I can show it right here. It's like you you go it pulls you down. Show them in a video if you can. You you lean your body over this platform and then when um you let the weight down, it actually it's like a um uh an active decompression for your back. That's Louis Simmons. He's uh pretty pretty much a legendary powerlter guy, but also super smart dude. And so like when she's lifting it up there, when it's going down, it's decompressing her spine. So it's it's strengthening it

123:27on the up, but on the down, it's pulling it apart. So because the the distance that the weight travels underneath you, it acts for uh an active decompression of the back. It's phenomenal, man. I was having some uh back issues, and that thing helped me a lot. Yep. That's Do you do um any yoga or anything like that? Yeah, I do hot yoga. You when I'm in camp uh every Friday I like at 4:30 I go and uh do a hot yoga and I do an hour and a half and that in itself is a mental thing you got to get through cuz I look over I'm like damn it's got to be like an hour. How much we got left? Half hour. I look over in there 10 minutes and I'm like you know then I look over and I'm like man this old guy's doing it. I can do it right. You know my girls in there you know I got to be the man. on my, you know, I got to I got to step up and to get through them damn things, dude. It's intense. I do

124:14that twice a week and I've done it, you know, laying on my back and just like focus on breathing because I'm like I'm like, dude, I'm going to pass out, you know, and you're already cutting weight and got a full week of training and you're probably dehydrated, too, when you're in there, right? I always try to drink a lot of water. I mean, I'm I'm drinking water constantly. I I try to get over a gallon a day. I got a alkaline machine. Alkaline machine. What do you Yeah. What is that? Sure. It keeps your body in higher alkaline, which uh your body naturally is like like a five or whatever. And they they say to be over a five or better because your uh cancer cannot survive in a higher alkaline uh like homoasius type stuff. Like if your body is like broken down, that's how you're able to get sick is if your immune system is broken down. Well, this actually helps with faster

124:56rehydration, recovery, and keeps your body in a higher alkali state. So, it's harder to get I've heard that's Yeah, I don't know, Jamie. Look that up because I've heard that you really can't change the alkaline state of your body or of your blood. I I don't know. There's things that you can do. I mean, wheat wheat grass keeps you in higher alkaline and I mean I But but is it your blood that's more alkaline? Like what what is getting more alkaline? Your blood. Yeah. I don't know if that's true, but what about the honest supplements that say that uh you know they're from higher uh higher altitude and that they're they're getting it from these grass. No, that's Cortiseps mushrooms. That's different. Cortiseps mushroom is a mushroom that aids in oxygen utilization. That doesn't have anything to do with see what what people do. Um they there's like a lot of

125:44talk about alkaline like making your blood alkaline and how it changes it. But I I remember reading something that that's horshit. But first of all, what you're doing is all healthy. Like if you're telling me you're taking wheatgrass juice, you're getting phytonutrients. You're getting, you know, all sorts of minerals. You're getting healthy vitamins for sure. It's definitely really good for you. So, I mean, wheatgrass juice is phenomenal. I mean, I I try to keep my body in in in that state and I'm always drinking that water. Just But do you test your blood? I mean, how do you know that you're in an alkaline state? Are you testing yourself? Uh I I have tested I've tested the water of like taking strips and and tested it out, but no, I've I haven't tested my blood to see if I am. The only time I've done that was with uh when I took like the piss test uh test my

126:27rehydration and stuff. The guy he'll even let you like look in the scope that you saw the guy, you know, he comes in, he's like, "All right, pull your pants down, start peeing." And then he'll put it in there. And uh the guy, he was like the last time I did it, he's like, "Look at the light. See that?" And like I was I was pretty high. And he's like, "This is good." He's like, "That means you're really hydrated." He's like, "That's really good." Well, it's definitely good to be hydrated. Drinking a lot of water, especially when you're training as much as you are, it's it's very very very important. They say that just a small percentage of dehydration has a big impact on athletic performance. Yeah. 30%. Really, be a little bit uh dehydrated will decrease it by 30%. These are like little uh uh facts too that I've learned in the the fitness VT law cart. uh you know the the sumo

127:12wrestlers they'll only eat twice a day but they're eating only twice a day their body conserves a lot more because they're like oh this is the only food that we're going to get and they hold on to it as compared if like we eat 45ers we eat like five six times a day so our body's constantly pushing it out like oh we're going to get more we get more and then with just like water is like gas the more you put in the more you're going to burn off right that's a that's a counterintuitive thing that uh you hear about guys cutting weight they drink a ton of water before they have to dehydrate themselves. So, your body's used to expending that water. It doesn't try to hold on to it. Is that the idea behind it? Yep. Yeah. Keeps It's like, "Oh, we're going to get more and more." So, just it'll just keep expending out, pushing out, pushing it out. Do you around with um distilled water? No, I

127:55haven't in a long time. I haven't. I heard that's kind of dangerous. That's not good for your body, right? cuz your body can actually be it strips you of minerals cuz you're you water is supposed to be attached to all these minerals and when you're just drinking only distilled water your body kind of freaks out. Yep. That could be dangerous. Too much of that. And I've heard of people kind of like convulsing. I think I seen somebody from the Ultimate Fighter show one time like water load and then fell asleep and then he was like, you know, that probably freaked me out a little bit. But what's up is if you drink too much water, you can die. Yeah. Yeah. I I s I remember uh I was in um Sacramento, I think, and there was a maybe it was San Jose, I don't remember, but it was a local radio show had a contest. You drink the most water to win a PlayStation. And this lady

128:42drank so much water she died. Yeah. It's like I didn't know you could die from water. Yeah. Yeah. Apparently like uh frats, like people like pledging for frats, people have died from it, too. Yeah. Yeah. Where they uh hazing type stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. That's crazy, man. You find anything about alkaline? I found a website talking about it. I don't know if this is how legit precisennutrition.com. It just talks about the claims of alkaline water and it really says there's no legit studies that even say that it'll do anything to you that or that you can even make it change to an alkaline state. Yeah. See, that's what I've seen that the variables the variation is so small that that it's like you're not going to get that from like water. I've tested the water before. I've never tested my own blood. You know, I've only seen the re that I was rehydrated at a

129:32at a high alkaline. But I mean, there might be some sort of benefit to it anyway. Even if you can't like change the actual state of your blood, maybe there's some sort of benefit for it biologically. Well, maybe ask George. Maybe he would know. He'd probably know more than we would. Um, so the only thing it does say that might be why it's kidney patients should avoid alkaline water, which is why athletes and exercisers are one subgroup who might benefit from drinking it. I don't know what what that statement really means, but I don't make sense to me. Um, that's the only thing really adds in there. Do you ever around with cryotherapy? Oh, I've done it. Yeah. I don't really find find the difference. I find more or less mild fashioned having somebody dig in with like an elbow or something is a lot more beneficial. I've done cryotherapy. What about both?

130:16I mean, I don't think they're anything that you can do for rehab. I mean, I've I've done the float tanks and stuff like that. Just time to where I can get my mind at ease and it's pitch black. I don't have my kids running around, you know, you know, asking for juice and take me here, take me there, you know, any of that. So, it's it's good. I mean, any type of recovery that you can do. I mean, if you're a high level athlete and you're out there just banging on your body, I mean, any mile fast release, uh, cryotherapy, float, you know, any type of meditation, float's phenomenal for um, um, magnesium, too, because that like Epsom salts baths, even without the floating is great because your body absorbs magnesium. But float tanks, it's filled with Epsom salts. You get a lot of magnesium from that that way. And you're able to relax, too. Oh, yeah. You just kind of calm down in a crazy way

130:59because it's like zero gravity. Like you feel everything sort of stretching out and unwinding. Yeah. You got one of those in your house, right? Yeah, in my basement. Dude, that's awesome, dude. Right. Just down there all day, taking edibles and just just getting in the zone, huh? People come over and they go, "What the is that?" It looks like I got a big meat locker down in my basement. What the hell you doing, man? Come on in, man. I'm show you some Like, you got hookers in there. What do you got? Dead people. Um, but it's uh there's there's a bunch of different things that uh people have shown that have some sort of benefit and it's about finding like I guess what really jives with you, right? Yeah, for sure. I mean uh look at a guy like Dana White just traveling all the time. You you know I mean what do you how do you stay healthy all the time you know like traveling you

131:41know got to take vitamins with you for sure. I take probiotics as well you know I do that's a big thing on it has this thing um total gut health that's huge. Yeah, the chlor chlorella or whatever. Uh, well, total gut health is a combination of uh probiotics and uh um a bunch of other stuff that's in there. Um that um well, pull pull it up pull up uh on it total gut health so you could see what all the different ingredients are. But um I'm a big believer in probiotics. I eat a lot of kimchi. Mhm. Um I eat um uh um different sorts of uh sauerkraut, organic sauerkraut, natural sauerkraut. I think uh fermented foods and and um uh kefir. You were talking about kefir earlier. I drink that stuff, too. So all the different stuff that's in there. Um it's hard for me to read that, Jamie. Probiotics. Uh like kombucha. Oh yeah, I love that I drink that every day, dude. I

132:40need a sponsorship with kombucha, dude. I spend a lot of money on that. GTS kombucha. Holla at Jeremy Stevens. Acidophilus is in there. It's also the um the good thing about these is the they're in little packets, so you could take them with you. And uh the actual live culture that's in them lives off the substrate that's in the packets. So, it's a it's actually a little ecosystem you're I love I love on it, man. I live by it. I just gave uh my buddy some of in mine and uh we were doing these runs the other day and he's just like man I've been getting these dreams now I can remember my dreams he's like I'm sleeping better dude's like I feel so good you know he's always yeah I think it's choline and it's also I think that is also tryptophan tryptophan which produces um it's the the building blocks are serotonin tryptophan which uh your body converts to 5HTP and uh 5http your

133:32body converts to um serotonin That's that's that's big for dreams. Yeah. And you wake up a lot happier, a little bit more motivated. Well, a lot of people that are into lucid dreaming, they take that They'll take like uh tryptophan or 5HTP or Alpha Brain, which contains choline. They'll take these different neutropics before they go to sleep on purpose so that they could have trippy dreams. I I did that the other day, dude. And here's a weird thing. I I'm actually a big dreamer and I get into these dreams and I kind of figure out like what they're about. And I had two teeth fall out and uh one of them mean you're you know the the thing that they say is money is coming and death. Whoa. And I just had my bonus uh banged in my bank account and then my grandma right now is at the hospice. I just found out today I actually got to fly out tonight to get there early in the

134:19morning to see her and I'm like dude the two teeth money and then now my grandma's sick. So whoa dreams dude that that's crazy. You ever you ever done dreams? Cuz I I think last time I was talking about the show where I knew I was flying and I could just That's a common one. Yeah. It means like you're in you're in control of your life. There's there's good power, good energy that you're in good uh like you're in a good energy of your life. Man, that's pretty sweet. Well, you can definitely adjust the way you approach certain situations, right? You could look at things in a positive way or we all know people that look at things like, "Oh, the world's closing in on me." And you're like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa. You live in America. You're not in Ethiopia. You have both your feet. You're not paralyzed. You don't have malaria. What the are you complaining about? Exactly. Like it's it's it's a

135:05perspective issue with a lot of people. But the the way you approach different scenarios in your life has a huge impact on how you feel. Mhm. And as an athlete, especially, I would imagine as a fighter, it's very important to maintain a healthy mindset and to keep your stress levels at a very low level while you're training and while you're going through camp. And like the last, like, we've all seen fighters that go through camps and they have crazy relationship problems at the same time and it them up, man. Right. You're laughing, right? Yeah. Yeah. No, cuz I mean, dude, my my like I get hungry, you know, I'm getting angry, you know? My girls just like, "All right, you got to stay away from him." You know, just give him some food. But that's reasonable, right? And that's just crankiness from cutting weight. But like crazy people in your life. Like if you're dating some

135:54crazy girl, if you're a girl and you're dating a crazy guy and they c like a lot of people, if they're not getting enough attention from you, they start drama. They cause issues. Like if you're focusing too much on other things, they get upset at you. Okay. Cut those people along off a long time ago, Joe. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty important, right? Yeah. Yeah. Hey, I got to ask you, man. What What do you think about what do you think about God? What is your theory on that? You believe you believe in God? God, do you know him? No, I don't. I don't know. Is he omnipresent? He's like everything. I am. I I definitely uh am open to all sorts of possibilities post life. I don't think that I have any sort of lock on what happens that I haven't experienced. So for me to say that there's no God or that there isn't some omnipresent entity or or energy or something that is the guiding force of

136:45the universe that would be ridiculous. What do I know? I mean I think human beings we are in some sort of strange state of development where we're aware of our own existence. We're aware of life. We're aware of certain rules that the universe seems to follow where the universe seems to be everything seems to be constantly in motion and changing. you know whether it is uh the the the the orbit of planets, whether it is the the the biological life on planets, whether it's the life of stars, things have a life and they they come and they go and then even you galaxies themselves. Every galaxy in the center of every galaxy is a super massive black hole that's 1 half of 1% of the entire mass of the galaxy. And that super massive black hole is sucking that galaxy into its center into the event horizon. When you see these spiral galaxies, at the center of those

137:42spiral galaxies is a black hole that's absorbing all the matter slowly but surely of that galaxy. And no one knows what is going on in that black hole. They don't they don't understand what it is. They they have theories. But one of the theories of black holes is that inside every black hole is potentially a whole another universe. So there's hundreds of billions of galaxies. Each galaxy has a super massive black hole in the center of it. And inside each one of those galaxies may be hundreds of millions of other galaxies, hundreds of millions of other universes. So the the idea that anybody could sit here and tell you there's no God, man. I know there's no God. Like I think it's incredibly arrogant when people say there is no God. What I think is that religion clearly shows the hand of man. It clearly shows the manipulation of other human beings where they have taken

138:39some universal rules like there's some some universal golden rules. Treat others the way you would like to be treated. understanding that loving each other, brothers and sisters and friends and community has massive benefits and you feel connected to each other and it is the right way to be. It's you there's there's a benefit to that. We all feel it. We know it. The love that you have for your children like I know the love that I have for my children or the love that I have for my wife or my friends or you know people that are close to me when I see there's there's there's a beauty in that that is it's magical. And I don't know if that beauty and that magic is to in it's to enforce a sense of community so that we can continue to breed so that we the we're rewarded uh these natural reward systems so that we can continue to foster life and that we can continue to evolve and grow. I don't

139:30know. I don't know what it is, but I know that the best things in life are they're connected to love. And I would think that if there's any guiding force, any beautiful force of the universe, it is that love. And even the love of the beauty of the universe itself. There's love that I get when like last night I went out on my porch and I smoked a little dupe and I looked up at the stars and I was I I fell in love with the stars, man. I I feel love when I look out into the universe. I mean, I think that's one of my favorite things to do is look at stars. Just look up and go, dude. I I'm the big same way, dude. My That's funny. I I'm always looking up at the moon like, "Man, it's full moon tonight. Look at the stars." A crazy thing floating in the sky, one quarter the size of the Earth, and it's just floating up there. Especially when you're out in the middle of nowhere.

140:18Like, it's out in the woods. You look up, it's just pure dark and man, look at that, dude. Man, that's sick. When I was a kid, I went um uh I was in camp once, boy scout camp in uh New Hampshire. I was living for a little while to these kids. I went to Boy Scout camp with criminals, man. these kids. I was uh I lived in uh Jamaica Plane, which is kind of a sketchy at the time. It's gentrified now, but in uh you know, in the 19 late 1970s, it was kind of sketchy. Where's it at? Jamaica Plane is a suburb of Boston. Oh, Boston. And it was uh it was just not a good neighborhood. We didn't have any money, but the kids that I went to Boy Scout camp with, they would like take other kids and tie them up and leave them in the woods and It was like it was Yeah. You had to like It was so sketchy. But they gave us rifles, too, man. We have 22s and bows and arrows.

141:07So, we're out there and it was not that organized. It was weird. I remember I was out there um we were doing something and I heard and I go, "What is that?" And the guy goes, "Ah, it was a ricochet." I go, "Ricochet." Like as in a bullet like, "Yeah, someone hit a rock and it ricocheted." I'm like, "I'm out." I'm like, "Fuck this." And I just I from the rest of the time I was there for two weeks, I just went fishing. I just abandoned everybody and went fishing. They didn't even know I was gone. Like I could have drowned out there. No one would have cared. But I remember going outside and for the first time in my life being in a place where there was no lights. There was no city. There was nothing. We're just in the woods. And you look up and just be like, "Fuck." Yeah. Like look at all those stars. Like those are out there all the time. Like how come I don't see them all the time?

141:54Yeah. No. I mean kids these days probably don't even see them at all with iPads, everything that's going on. Have you been to I know they don't even bother. Have you been to uh the Big Island? Nope. Dude, there's um there's an observatory at the top of uh Mono is it Monaloa? The um the KEK Observatory in the Big Island. And the way the Big Island is set up, they have special diffused lighting so that the street lights don't provide um light pollution. Yeah. So you could see everything and you go through the clouds and dude, it looks like that when you when you're up there. I think it's like I want to say like 13,000 feet above uh sea level. But when you look up at the sky, dude, you see the Milky Way. Like the full Milky Way. It's incredible. Like see if you can find it. Just go do Google images of from the KEK Observatory cuz it maybe that's a good one. Yeah, that's what exactly what it

142:48looks like. Dude, you sit up there and you look up and you're like, what? Like if you're going to go there, you got to go when uh it's no moon. Because I went the last time I went, we up and it was a full moon. It was still beautiful, but it was a full moon and you just don't see as many stars. Yeah. Yeah. If you can get up there and you don't have to go to the very top. You go to there's like a visitor center. That's all you need to do. They have some telescopes, but you don't even want to look at the telescope. Just look up, man. Yeah. Yeah. Just look up and enjoy. It's amazing. It's It's sick. I really feel like there's something going on with people today. And one of the things with the the arrogance of human beings and the ridiculous way we behave, I think part of it is connected to the fact that we don't see space anymore. I think space is so humbling and it I

143:32think it's psychedelic. When I I don't even have to do I don't have to smoke pot. I don't have to do anything. When I go to Hawaii and I look up, I get high. I feel like I just like it puts me in perspective. It lets me know like you're in a magical place. You're on this this strange circular spaceship that's hurling through infinity and above you is an infinite number of giant explosions, huge fireballs in the sky floating there. No one knows why. So that's what I think about God. that that is, you know, I just think a lot of people they use religion and God as a scaffolding to try to be a good person and to try to have rules and to try to have structure in their life and to try to give themselves something to look forward to, which I think is a good thing. I think there's a lot a lot of good things that religion um provides people, but I also think it provides

144:28people with a lot of excuses to be shitty to people, a lot of hate. You know, a lot of I mean, especially ancient religions that suppress women or uh suppress gay people or suppress people's rights in in any way, shape, or form based on this idea that, you know, it's ancient scripture tells them they're not supposed to do certain things. I think that's all ridiculous. But I think that's that's not really God. That's the hand of man. So it's if it's the the problem with even the term God is that it's kind of been co-opted by religion, which has definitely been co-opted by man. You learn you can learn a lot from ancient religious texts and ancient knowledge that people knew. They figured things out a long time ago and they were trying to figure out a way to pass that down onto other people. But the problem is in the translation like none of the ancient religions were ever

145:22written in English. None of them. They were written in all sorts of different like the Bible for here here's a perfect example. The the original Bible was written in ancient Hebrew. Well actually if you go to the Dead Sea Scrolls were in Aramaic and the Dead Sea Scrolls contain a lot of the stories that are in the ancient Bibles. And it's like it's really convoluted the translation between Aramaic to Latin to Greek to back to English. It's like you lose a lot. And then the in ancient Hebrew and in ancient Hebrew also the words double as numbers. Letters double as numbers. Like there's no numbers in ancient Hebrew. So like the letter A is also the number one. Yeah. So words also have numerical value. Like the word God and the word love, they have the same numerical value because the numbers in the letters like what there it means something. It's not like you can say ah

146:19go yourself like it's it's not it's not like just a phonetic language. It's a language that also has mathematics incorporated to it and that meant something. It was a part of So when you take these ancient Hebrew sentences and you translate them to English and you don't just translate them to English, you translate them to Latin, you translate them to Greek, and then you translate them to English. A lot's lost in the process. But I think these people were trying to figure some things out about life. And I think we could probably learn something from them. But for sure, a lot of it was people manipulating the other people around them and saying, "God says this, you have to do that." or or you will die in a fiery pit in the middle of the earth and or we'll just decapitate your ass. Yeah, there was a lot of horseshit involved in religion. So, it's not it's

147:06not all bad. It's not all good, but it's interesting. Yeah, yin and yang. There's a lot going on, Jeremy Ste. There is, dude. There's going crazy life, bro. Yeah, right. So, back to you and your career. Um cuz we're going to wrap this up soon. We got It's like 420. Hollow 420 for all you people out there. If you're um if you're looking at your career right now and looking at your future, you're trying to just get a big fight right now. So, you're you're calling these guys. Have they set anything up? Have they No, man. I like I said, man, I I hassle Sean Shelby, dude, and I'm like, yo, dude, he just like What does he say? He's just, you know, he just kind of looks like, man, this guy's crazy. You know, he's like he's always like, I'll get you something. I'll get you something. But the division is kind of in a funk right now. Either everybody's got fights or I've already

147:46fought people or, you know, they're coming off losses normally. Like, they try to prepare you with the win. So I told Sean, I go, "Hey man, if I ain't going to get like a Frankie or an Aldo fight, I'm like, "Give me somebody outside real quick. Let me let me just go get a good win." And like you said, I'm still right there in the mix. So then when it all pans out, I'm right there. And I want you being so big though. Here's my question. Like if let's say there's a big title fight coming up, say um if uh Aldo who just won the interim title is going to defend his title against someone else in the top 10 and you know you see that coming up, do you and you don't have a fight scheduled, do you start training thinking maybe someone can get injured and you might get that call because MMA, particularly the UFC, is notorious for lastm minute fallouts or guys get

148:31injured. Yep. Uh right after my fight was uh right before UFC 200. So, I uh right as I got done, you know, I was 100% healthy, had had no injuries. I was like, "Hey, you know, I was like, I just want to let you know, you know, I know maybe some people are ahead of me, but I go let you know I'm going to be ready and 100% focused." And uh you know, I I didn't do anything. I went out and enjoyed myself uh one time and then I was I was training. I was back to doing sprints like right away. And then about two weeks before that fight or so uh I ended up going to Mexico on a vacation. My cousin got married and then I just went out and enjoyed myself. But for like two weeks straight, I was continuing to hit sprint. Yeah. I stayed on point just in case. Yeah. Cuz I mean, things happen, you know, and I I wanted to be that guy to step up and I let them know and I let it let everybody else

149:15know that, hey, I'm I'm ready. I'm I'm ready to take that next step and you can rely on me. And it's tricky though because you're so big, you know, if like if something was scheduled for two weeks from now and then all a sudden you got this call, you really can't make weight in two weeks. No, not now. Not now. So, you know, like I said, I was I was preparing for 200 and it didn't happen. So now I've I've I've taken my time off. I've enjoyed myself. I've traveled and uh you know enjoyed yourself, but you're not fat. This is where it's so confusing. Like I'm looking at you right now. You're in shape. You're fit. Dude, I just ran the other day and I I am in shape. It just I my coach, you just we just I stay on my diet. I I've been enjoying myself like on the weekends and I love lava cakes and ice cream and uh Who doesn't? Yeah. You know, and I and I I you know, I have to

149:58enjoy myself, you know, a little bit because there's got to be a yin and yang. There's got to be a dark side and then there's got to be the good side. And as of right now, I've been back on the diet and everything's going good. I've been I've been doing my runs. I just really haven't been that dialed in. Like, hey, I have a set date and I'm I'm doing things in particular. As I was training right after my fight, I was ready and set and and still striving toward that goal. It just didn't happen that way. That's fine. But get me a fight. I need Sean Shelby to get me a fight. And I I want those exciting fights. I I think a lot of people want to see me and uh Jose Aldo get after it. They want to see me and Conor McGregor. He's a heavy-handed guy. He's an exciting guy. He's an interesting dude. And people want to see the the want to see the the live fights. They don't want

150:39to see the the the lay and pray. And there's nothing wrong with that. You got to win. I understand people got to provide for their family. But I like to personally get into legit fist fights to where, you know, I I like to scrap it no matter where the fight goes. If you're taking me down, I'm trying to elbow you in the head. I'm trying to get back up. I'm trying to put you to sleep. So, I I feel like I'm an exciting fighter. I've been in the game a long time. I'm I'm ready for that that next level of competition and and just staying focused and dialed in. Well, you're definitely a fan favorite and you're a favorite of mine, man. I'm a big fan. I love watching I got to sign those shorts for you, by the way, man. I want to see him in that new new uh building, man. I hope you get that. Well, we up, man. We were in the process of buying a building and it looks like it fell

151:18through somehow or another. This guy that owns a building is such a burger. I don't know what, but we'll figure it out. But you'll get something better. When we when we do get it, what we're gonna do is uh we're gonna set up a gallery and I'll definitely I got Jeremy Stevens shorts and hand wraps from his last fight. We'll put those in a frame and uh we'll get you signed that. We'll put that up there. Hell yeah. I appreciate it, man. I've always been a fan, dude. And I know you always rep represented me very well. And I watched that podcast that you were doing, dude. I just thought that was awesome, you know, and a lot a lot of people like, "Hey, man, Joe Rogan gives you a lot of love." And all I kept my shorts and I was like, "Man, I got to get back on the podcast." And I was like, "You know what? This guy actually offered me some money and I was going to

151:53sell them." And I was like, "Nah, man. I got to give him to my man Joe." Oh, thank you, brother. I appreciate that very much. I appreciate you having me on here, dude. All right. You can find Jeremy on Twitter, Lil Heathen MMA. Um, Instagram. Yep. Will he MMA across the board, man? Easy to find. Look forward to seeing you soon, brother. Hey, thank you guys. Appreciate. All right, folks. We'll be back tomorrow with Justin Ren. Fight for the forgotten building wells in the Congo,