Justin Wren

00:00two one and we're live Justin Ren how are you sir I'm great what's going on brother man I'm excited to be back here out there kicking ass digging Wells all the above trying yeah how many fights have you had now back in Bellator only uh two two uh but I haven't been back since uh the first or second one so this is what are yeah you we're here before your first one right which was like you had a long break yeah 5 years and 2 months wow so I thought and I hadn't even really trained any um at that point like uh I was I was uh just doing the wells and going to Congo and then uh got back into fighting and only had a little bit of time to train but it was it was uh it was okay but uh how much time did you have before your first fight um I think actually whenever I was here with you I uh I I I fibbed a little where I said uh it was a little longer because I didn't know if my opponent was gonna

00:56watch or or whatever but uh my my fight Camp got cut in half um I was traveling traveling traveling the book was getting ready to come out and other stuff and trying to write the book and prepare and trying to figure all that out where we were just talking before we got on about just life stuff and scheduling it and everything and I had the book and then Congo and then um telling people about it and then also training for a fight and I didn't know how to balance those real well but uh I planned 12 weeks all of a sudden Congo corruption took me to Congo for for 3 weeks at the beginning so it cut it down to N9 weeks and then whenever I got back or while I was there I found out there moving the fight up on me 3 weeks um and so it cut my Camp down to about 6 seven weeks so six seven weeks after being off for more than five years yeah and I I had trained a few

01:40times before that uh I mean like within the few months before but um but I I think it was probably tops two months uh nine weeks well plus weren't you just like just getting over malaria yeah and I was uh that's that's the tough stuff that's uh that's tougher than a fight I feel like man we have one of our guys in Congo that that's got had malaria one of our Drillers uh just recently got real sick and it's kind of like constant like it's just part of life there Jesus and it doesn't matter what kind of medication you take before you go out there I was actually taking uh actually our director at Water 4 was taking um malaron it's like the best antimalaria pill I think it's something like S8 every pill so uh it's it's the CRM Del Crim of um Larry meds and it didn't work on him and then I was actually going into Congo um actually I stopped in London did one of those TED

02:39Talks at a university called Warick University and the day of the talk I was had a 103 degree temperature 103.2 and um and I thought I was pulling out they thought I was pulling out we were at the hospital um for four five six hours um oh and dude even the the opportunity to go speak at that is because they team uh was all fans of Jerry wow yeah so awesome yeah that was the opportunity I got because of because of this and man it was it was uh it was tough doing the talk and then um whenever I got into Congo they told me I had the flu in London um and the doctors there and that's what I feel like here too there can be tropical medic Medicine Specialists here and they're probably really great but I I would trust a doctor that's lived in the climate the tropical climate around malaria that's seen it that's treated it that knows all the symptoms well knows to look for it

03:30because no one gets it over here yeah and so whenever I got into Congo uh I flew from yeah from work to Congo and whenever I landed instead of going straight to the forest uh they took me to like a air strip at a uh kind of Hospital in the middle of nowhere um and so I landed went straight to the hospital and then right there they're like you don't have the flu you have malaria and I'm like but I I've been I've been in the states I just fought and then I've uh and then in Europe like there's no no malaria really there but it was because it's still living inside me there's like um I think there's three strands one will live in your body for 3 years 5 years I think the other is like 30 to life or something what yeah and so uh so it just comes back yeah it can like when your body's really run down when you're really tired your immune system's low like training for a fight yeah like

04:18training for a fight or right after the fight uh right after the fight went to London spoke then I went to Congo so but right after the fight so you you're recovering from malaria you go through your six week fight Camp you you have your fight you run down and then after the fight you got malaria again yes uh now the sickness I I've had it now three times oh my God so at least confirm twice the third time they're like yeah you have it for sure but they you with malaria you have to get the test the blood test while you have a certain degree temperature like fever uh whenever it's cycling out of your liver I mean coming out um they have to draw the blood at that exact time to get it and so that's why I was MISD no four times in the Congo and um what a sneaky disease yeah it's nuts it's they're crazy cuz they'll they'll hide in your liver and then they send them

05:08out in your bloodstream like a like a platoon they go and wreck havoc and then they Retreat right back to the liver really yeah they live in your liver yeah that's where they're hiding away for three or five or 30 years oh my God and what is there any solution is there anything they could do um I don't think so and I had a couple things that happened where um you know I I started trying to take the antimalaria meds but I started getting it's the only medicine I've ever really reacted to where get nauseous start dry heing I've heard it's awful yeah even uh even um oh I'm pasty white and I I get real Sun sensitive um I know another medicine called mequin um which is uh I think it's developed in Switzerland or Sweden supposed to be an awesome new malaria medicine it's actually the one thing my body kind of responds to but um but it's actually really dangerous because uh I've seen

05:59seen people that are there for Aid work and different stuff and dude they have to they have to retreat if they're there with kids and stuff they moved there to the country they're taken off cuz um cuz kiddos or even adults have mental breaks that they can't come back from like you can have psychotic episodes for I think they said like if it lasts longer than a week it's probably going to last like 3 months if it lasts longer than 3 months it's probably going to last forever what yeah so um so this is from the medication yeah it's just the medication and it gives you terrible terrible nightmare I almost went to Tanzania this summer we was going to go on Safari and uh too many people scare the out of me with malaria talk yeah I was going to take my whole family and I'm like look I'll take some Mal malaria medication and feel like I'm not giving it to my six-year-old yeah just not happening

06:46that would be I'm not doing it tough one yeah yeah but that's a real concern right Tanzania has malaria as well right yeah they do it's it because it's more of a is that Aid climate more um it's they have less there it's not so tropical there I've been to Tanzania a couple times and out in sbar I mean it's just um I it wasn't there but I was saw it and it was a I don't know man it's it's a crazy crazy place because you go from Congo where they have all these tropical diseases and you go I don't know same continent you just go over a little bit and there's all these other kinds of parasites like in Congo there you have very little of uh I believe they're called um jiggers with a J and um instead chers very careful careful when you say that word yeah I will but jiggers with a J um sounds wrong sounds like you should stop well but they they they're these crazy

07:40parasites that burrow in your feet and and especially kids and elderly um and especially why kids an elderly um well honestly I think one reason with poverty uh the kids don't get shoes until they can work and buy them and uh the elderly if they're not able to work and provide for themselves and you know it's it's harder for them to to to get shoes and stuff but also it's just the where they live um because on the Sandy or it's either Sandy or the clayish um or silty soil that's real red in Uganda man it just reeks havoc on those kids to wear they're having to have people come in every week to different Villages sit there with uh safety pins and all sorts of these little hooks that they dig into the people's feet and um oh god dude it's it's painful whenever I've seen people getting it done they're literally putting their and I've had one in my foot and it kind of came and gone it's

08:32not that bad when it's just one but whenever your whole foot or your whole heel or all the you know the balls of your feet are just covered in I mean I'm talking 20 30 40 50 of these parasites um they're just brutal so every step you see them when they're walking they're grimacing when you're taking it out they're screaming and God damn Africa yeah Africa is just it's such a strange strange continent strange but man the people are are beautiful that in their hearts you know they're awesome they're uh half or probably more than half if you're not a good one you're very terriable yeah that's see well obviously from the outside that's what it looks like someone like me who tries to pay attention as much as I can but I there's only so much you could actually know about it without being there I think right yeah I I think so I think whenever you get there I don't know fall in love

09:27with the people and develop the relationships um that's why you can I don't know see past all the the garbage all all the discomfort you said that you were held up with uh corruption Congo corruption what happened so they they called me and said um my team is actually Papa y I call him Papaw cuz he's like a father figure to me he's the one that had this Vision I came alongside him and it's just been it's been awesome to see what's happened and um whenever I went to him uh actually what what was the question you were just asking I don't even remember what I say I said about the corruption oh corruption there you go yeah he called me and said uh fa you got to get back here in like three weeks and I'm like what I'm training for the fight like it's coming up and I can't leave now he says if you don't come back now like I don't know when you can come back they'll they're going to revoke your

10:20Visa they're going to and I'm like what for and so they said check your passport they said your Visa is expiring in 3 weeks and I'm like it shouldn't be expiring I have a 5-year Visa um but then you have to come in and out of the country every 11 months because if you don't you lose that 5-year visa and so whenever uh I left with my wife literally um they just so that they can get money out of us and steal and um be able to ask for ,400 sometimes $2500 to get a Visa like this um you know they they write down on your visa when they stamp it the date they write it in and so now I know look every single time they're writing to make sure they write the right date because she backdated it like 6 months or something like that or maybe nine months and then all of a sudden I had to get back there because they're like nope it's going to expire and they thought they gave them

11:10actually it might have been less than three weeks I think I had to go for three weeks is what happened because I had like a week notice I just took off went it's actually the cheapest trip I've ever got there cuz it was like the last seat I was by the toilets in the back the whole time but it was only like $800 round trip which was incredible that's pretty crazy you can go to Africa for 800 bucks yeah that was I I never seen it like that but it was uh yeah it was cool so I went and I mean it helped cuz that that saved me some money that I was going to have to pay to try to get out of the corruption and stuff but luckily we went there they didn't think I would just drop and you know be there in five six seven days so I took off went and uh we spent three weeks trying to just negotiate with the courts and everything else and say look this is you guys did this you set me up all this

11:53other stuff and trying to prove them wrong they're never wrong you know they're always right and uh trying to show them even receipts and pictures we were showing him pictures from Ben's wedding he's like my best friend like a brother translator for me he's our team leader and um literally we're showing him pictures of me at his wedding and luckily was dated and everything like I was here in the country when you said I had already left four or five months before so um it's just nuts like you're but the back dating is intentional they do it on purp they do it on purpose so that for me and my wife both they uh they made it the same date which was like 6 months or months early um like we left earlier than what what we did so so from the outside when you're visiting them did they did they think somehow or another that you're wealthy and that you know they could take advantage of you

12:41they know they know you're on television do they know all that no um no we keep that really kind of I I when I'm there I am a let me see if I can get the right um I am a professor of appropriate Technologies and appropriate Technologies are like uh Community Development or Sustainable Solutions um and go there and I I'm teaching the students at the University how to uh and I only I only do like a week or two seminar with them the rest of time I'm with my well drilling team and that's my covering I go there as a quote unquote a professor probably shouldn't give that up on the Internet yeah maybe not people no no it's okay but I I do that um because you know when I go and and really it's not because I'm on TV or anything like that or they think I have money they just think anyone that's not congales has money oh and so because that's what they've seen from people

13:32coming in and throwing money around um so they want theirs yeah and know a lot of the NOS are that like they they have quotas and everything else and they have just a huge budget and they got to spend it and they got to meet those those quotas so sometimes they they throw it around and they're not they're not trying to be frugal with the money because it's not theirs they didn't go out and get it or fund raise it or get a grant for it or anything like that it just they got it to spend so they'll they'll just give it away do the people that live in the Congo like the the pygmies do they still get malaria is it really common with them yeah really common um but it's it's uh it's weird because whenever people come I I guess they're more acclimated to it m but it still kills so many um and then but whenever I get it there they were saying you know the doctor

14:24here told me because of the malaria meds it would be better for you to go because you're already getting sick to sick with medicine just go get malaria and then get it diagnosed quick enough get the Cure and now your body's actually going to adapt to it and the next time you get it'll be less and less wait minut so they told you to get malaria yeah oh Christ like one of the worst diseases person can get right yeah but honestly I've seen people even even Ben Ben's nuts like the year that I was there he had malaria now it's almost killed him before too but he had malaria like three or four times in a year and um um and it's just kind of really really common there wow and uh but once you if if you can survive it the first couple times then they say after that it gets more bearable because you feel it coming you feel the the heat waves coming over you and then you feel the um shoulder joint

15:16pains and elbows and it just down your whole spine and your finger joints are just throbbing like you can feel your pulse so it's an inflammation disease uh it's a blood parasite disease and it just uh but it causes some inflammation the parasite somehow or another does that to your joints yeah and it at least causes a lot of pain I know that and it uh it was it I lost 33 lbs 5 days um Jesus Christ 33 lbs in 5 days yeah 33 lb days Dr Oz Dr Oz would sell that I could I could yeah be here uh La I got a new uh La diet for you guys yeah you really do it's the Congo diet you get really hot makes you hot so that's massive sacrifice you're willing to take to to to do that and this the fact that it's it exists inside your body for an undetermined state of time that's um that's pretty wild man it's it's scary um yeah honestly I feel like I was in a much scarier Place personally um

16:22before before I found this before I found them before I got given a second family or accepted into to a second family and more scarier because you were depressed because you just yeah well depressed Su Suicidal Thoughts I had for like 10 years just battled it from 13 years old 23 and so um so yeah that that was a lot scarier to me then going Suicidal Thoughts when you were 13 yeah for sure and I I mean I was I was the one that like you know the kid in the in the class that I mean I wasn't I wasn't like I wouldn't say I was how do I say it it was extremely brutal but it was happening to I mean everyone gets bullied for the most part um somebody was bullying you yeah when I was growing up that from from third grade till eighth grade for sure it was brutal seventh and E usually were you smaller then I was small you're a gigantic dude I was smaller takes a lot of balls to

17:18bully you yeah and uh might backfire it's actually kind of why I found fighting um or not why it is or not kind of it is because uh I was 13 years old and I had just gotten so well two things have you ever seen in Texas for high school homecomings they have mums have you heard of that no it's a Texas tradition that's crazy um now all all them all the kids love them everything else but you get these like cages or fake flowers that they put real big up top and then they are streamers with literal bells and whistles fullsize teddy bears you can have two three teddy bears when I was in high school the girl would wear it on her her shoulder and the guy would wear it around his arm now in Texas they literally have to put a harness around him and hold these things up cuz they're so big and there you go momas is that nut isn't that nut that that's Homecoming in Texas what

18:12look at that I'm telling you it's nut whole state the whole state I mean every heard every homecoming that comes around te Texans are nuts about this I mean I lived in Texans I was like four months old so it was uh they're nuts and they've gotten bigger and bigger and bigger every single year and uh how am I just hearing about this real proud of it it's weird I mean I I are you just hearing about this Jamie never I think those are literally like $2 and $300 now what yeah when I was in high school they were like 700 oh my God look at all those girls look at that picture that you had down there there's a giant group of girls with all this this is ridiculous is that not nuts how do you how do you go to the dance like that how do you go to the game like that I don't understand that I mean literally the boyfriends are walking behind them holding the the stuff up for them cuz

18:55what the it's getting too heavy their neck hurts but they want to wear it it's a tradition everybody gets excited the bigger and more bigger the M the bigger the mom the better the more the more your date liked you is this a mum company that you just clicked on oh my god dude they're in every single grocery store in Texas yeah whenever it comes to like uh September October November around homecoming time high school like this is people's jobs like seasonal jobs they sit around and they take special orders they make them for you or they sell them door you can make them yourself um that's so strange isn't that nuts I just it always baffles me when I find out about something for the very first time I don't know why I'm so confused I I would like to find out where the tradition uh came from probably but I mean people is just so ingrained in you if you're a Texan that

19:44you have to get mums and so uh is there any other state find out if other states accept that I literally Oklahoma doesn't do it Louisiana doesn't New Mexico I mean all around us it's just Texas 12 things non- Texas need to know about homecoming mums what in the the mum started as a simple flower hold on scroll up a little bit mum started as a simple flower guys give them to their homecoming date oh that's hilarious girls also give guys one called a garter like a garter oh they put it on on your arm like a garter belt or over your B God how Biz like one of those things that tie box wear yeah being able to make mums can make you rich oh God 60 to $300 what $300 for fake flowers 300 bucks it ain't cheap to Electrify a mum oh my God that chick's got one that lights up go that's so crazy you can put LED lighting look at that scroll scroll up a little bit you can put LED lighting

20:45in mums I didn't know how many folks are doing this back when I was in high school but nowadays you really want to impress your date the latest in mum lighting technology will help you do just that that is hilarious you know this isn't even like a a joke website right no they're taking it serious strange mhm it's really weird and so when I was in Middle School seventh grade I you know look at that girl she's got a Christmas tree on her tits that's ridiculous they uh so you want to save I saved it up and my allowance asked one of my crushes to go to the homecoming game with me she said yes to my surprise went to the game and uh spent pretty much all my allowance on uh the her mom and uh her name's Jessica and I took her to the game and uh I'm up in the stands with her and home or halftime comes around I'm up at the very top left and all of a sudden everyone looks back up over the right

21:45shoulders at us and this one guy is kind of my my bully through elementary and middle school for sure and um his name was Justin as well and so he walks up and uh puts his arm out uh to her and she puts her arm around his and he grabs the streamer that says Uh Justin and Jessica in the year on it or whatever and uh he says thanks for getting her this and I'm like what he goes you didn't think she'd come with you did you and so he just kind of walks down all the schools looking they're all laughing um having fun but and and that one hurt but what was worse was the next year cuz you know people liked that part of I don't know I think for me when I see bullying now I I just spoke out of middle school and I told one of the teachers asked what should you tell a kid that's battling with suicidal thought or depression even maybe Suicidal Thoughts I'm like well if

22:41this is 300 400 kids in here like for sure one person is dealing with these issues right now and I would say you know um the thing that probably saved me was my parents didn't own a gun probably only Texans that don't own guns and uh then um I don't know I I mean I guess one of the main things was um well I don't even know that I've ever said this publicly but I remember um having attempted suicide once and then um thinking about it again and then um thinking you know what would this what would this do to my mom you know and so I love my mom and my mom's boy dad's great too but that's just who I am she's a tough cookie she's where I got my competitiveness she was a national champion and barrel racing state champion in tennis and so she always pushed me my dad if he uh if he was at a wrestling tournament and it's the finals even State I I would dislocate my thumb

23:39or something you come up you don't have to wrestle in the next match I'm like it's the finals my mom's like he's getting out there so my mom's a one pushing him shut up Jimmy uh he's gonna he's going to go out there and he's going to wrestle and he's going to win and so uh my dad was more of the the one wanting to protect me and she's the one want to push me out there um so I guess I don't even know I was saying that except for oh that thought was just um ringing in my head and so whenever I finally verbalized that and started talking to people that's what really helped you know it didn't have to be a bunch of people I didn't have to go around and be um I don't know a drama queen or do it for attention or whatever but just find one person and for me at that age it was having a great mom and um and parents that love me and I think that's probably absolutely what saved me

24:25at that time and so I was telling these kids you know hey tell if even if it's just your mom so I was taking pictures with some of the kids afterwards and stuff and I walk out to leave and I'm in the hall and this mom stops me because she's with her little guy and he's crying so a mom had come to school had heard how there was anti-bullying talk she came up and I see this little guy and it reminded me a lot of me the only difference was uh was he had these kind of big glasses on but he was a little chubby and had it just had one of those things that you'd see stereotypical like this kid's going to get picked on right and so um probably a lot like me he's used to getting his fat pinched and nipples twisted and you know all that different stuff and so um he was out there just balling with his mom his mom asked if I come talk to him for a little bit I did and she was saying that he had

25:14never opened up with her and uh in the last two years but she knew he had been dealing with really bad depression and right there he told her I've been dealing with suicidal thoughts for two years and so I don't know why I even brought that up except for like it's nuts my parents have have a have a photography company and they made a memorial a few years back for a little boy who was getting bullied didn't think he had an option out and he took his life at 9 years old oh my God I think it was his swing set out out back so take hung himself oh Jesus Christ and so um I saw the plaque and everything made up for him and just gut-wrenching and so anyways I say that and the first story wasn't that but then this kind of one kind of brought everything to a head was I was in Middle e8th grade this time um got invited to uh Jennifer's um birthday party really excited I got invit one of

26:11the real invitations in my hands and um made the plans talked to my mom asked if I could go talk to some of the people who else is going I was just kind of the dorky kid anyways but um on the invitation I notic man it says costume contest and the winner gets a prize while I started doing research all this other stuff other people were doing it too and um I found out that her dad worked at Dr Pepper um and that their house was decorated with it all this other stuff and then um and then that she loves Transformers and so I thought what if I you know combine those two things what if I could uh make myself a cardboard Transformer from head to toe uh I think it was a 24 pack around the head 12 packs around the arms uh legs boots I had I had a chest plate I had a sword out of a cardboard a country kid Texas you see those mums we can do pretty much anything with duct tape and

27:02uh so duct tape cardboard just made it up and walked into the party and um her grandma opened the door she goes oh Jennifer is going to love this walked in they literally had a Dr Pepper machine one it was like old school ones you didn't have to pay you just push the button it pops out 13-year-old kid you love that so we got Dr Pepper can one hand have the Dr Pepper carboard sword in the other walked to the backyard um and whenever the door opens I open the door um greet there with like some flashes of lights and fingers pointing people laughing and um I remember Jennifer saying I can't believe we thought you were cool enough to come to my party and I was the only one that was dressed up everybody else had got in there early and they all been planning and even the invitations were fake just so that I would come there dress up another kid said um you're worthless so

27:47in that moment I felt worthless and then um the main bully said you should just kill yourself and so whenever he said that 13 years old battle with depression Suicidal Thoughts all that different stuff man it it took me on a downward spiral Tail Spin um and it really sucked I didn't know how to cover it up and then I guess I'm getting back to the MMA route where I found that 13 years old at like a flea market in uh Texas and walking down uh these aisles I'm looking for a BB gun and all of a sudden I get to this like used video shop and it's got UFC VHS I think it was two through 10 or 10 2 through 11 or something like that and um so I just I bought them all um you were on there and uh D that is a horrible story man that is a terrible story how the could those kids be so mean me I is honestly I I don't think it's I mean that crazy compared to I mean it is it's very like uh methodical

28:46like very planned out yeah um and a lot of people were in on it I think that probably was one of the things like honestly Jennifer was that the biggest crush I ever had in you know Elementary Middle School growing up you know and so she was the one I really wanted to impress that's why I did that research you know and then to know that she was in on it these other guys planned it but she went along with it um but they have to heard say that to you like I can't believe you thought you were cool enough to come to my party yeah man yeah I ended up leaving um and this is before cell phones uh and I didn't have a cell phone till I was like 16 17 and um so I'm 13 run out found a Dairy Queen um and uh went in the back and where the drive-thru is there was like a I don't know the dumpster and they got like the fence around it and I just was able to open it sit there and

29:39just cried basically until uh someone came out to throw away the trash and then uh they were like oh honey got down and what do you need and all this other stuff can you call your mom I'm like if if I have a phone and so I walked inside called her but she wasn't there so took a little while to get a hold of my mom and then um yeah I mean it was just it was nuts cuz um it's weird how you you'll believe especially in today's age with social media and all the tweets and things that people just throw away throw around um you know it's nuts how you can see someone who don't even know them they might have one follower but somehow it can still if you let it it can still affect you instead of just shrugging it off that's a totally different thing though someone saying something on Twitter M and someone saying something and looking you in the eyes and planning out this big

30:29deception yeah but you're such a nice guy like I don't understand what what the caused someone to be such a shitthead like that well I don't know man I think well I think um I've I've matured a lot where I mean obviously 29 said 13 but uh uh I think I just became an easy target and cuz you're just a nice guy and they just maybe that I wouldn't stand up for myself and maybe I I wasn't the biggest kid but I was chubby and bigger and uh uh yeah I think it just was easy to pick on me in the locker rooms pick on me in the I don't know I think I think the stats I was looking at was something like 87% of bullying doesn't happen in the presence of um adults adults right and then uh I forget but you know even the people around like how you're saying you know to people plan it out and everything else look you in the eyes mean I think that might have been what

31:26took me back the most because I was like man like this is if you're sitting by this is what I try to tell some of the kiddos growing up now it's like if you think that by laughing I me if you're there and you're not bullying but you're giggling you're laughing like you're definitely a part of it you're an encourager right but then if you're even if you're silent and you're just watching it and you don't like now you're if you see it you have a choice you can do something about it or you cannot and so I feel like that's a passive standby kind of encouragement where and so for me it was like everyone was there people were saying it people were laughing people were watching but nobody was was standing up for me so it was uh I think that's what hurt the most well see so there's two giant instances the one with the other guy named Justin so they planned that out too mhm

32:15man you went to school with some evil kids yeah it was actually part of the same kids so yeah God damn yeah and then uh so from that um yeah that that's that's definitely been the biggest battle of my life has been depression suicidal thoughts and it was all from that bullying there was nothing other than that for the depression yeah yeah I I mean it went from technically I would say it went from third grade to 10th grade and then whenever I started wrestling and my parents transferred me out of the school everything else then but the bullying is what caused all these Suicidal Thoughts there was nothing else that was buming you out about life that is so up it's some shitty mean kids can all of a sudden throw this monkey wrench in your life and and i' I've learned and I mean of course I uh you know obviously looking back it shouldn't have I shouldn't have ever let it get to the

33:11point to where you know I think I should hurt myself or kill my you know what just to real quick put that together with the pygmies in Congo whenever I opened up and shared with some of them around the campfire just hanging out talking sharing life stories I shared that and I just remember the looks on several people's faces just so baffled like did he just say he wanted to hurt himself he was suicide he wanted to kill himself all that different stuff and then I start asking him like does that not happen here and they're like well some of them were like well we've heard of that happening before and yeah there's there's this guy that was that guy and that guy and that guy and we heard that someone in their Village had hurt themsel or killed themsel or something but most of the people I think were like no never hurt why would anyone if you hurt yourself you're only hurt

34:00like that's only hurting you that's not going to help anything well you just wanted Pain to End yeah yeah here I just wanted the Pain to End but there it's like it's nuts cuz they if you if I look at it I was a little kid that got bullied by some some stupid kids and then look at if I look at what they're going through man it makes it it makes it it shrinks it it makes it microscopic whenever you stop just focusing on your own problems you start looking at others other problems that maybe you can be a part of helping solve that problem so so this bullying all throughout your childhood led into adulthood and the only thing that made it better was you going to the Congo and helping out these pygmies and building Wells and and sort of dedicating and devoting your life to their life yeah I would say practically um that has been you know to have a sense of purpose I

35:00mean I think it's a it's a lot of different things but that all kind of came together but for me yeah I mean when you're not living for yourself and you're living for others you just want I mean I I didn't know that for me I had a big paradigm shift or changing my life whenever you know coming out of the addiction I felt like oh man like I don't have to walk around and hate myself and stay away from people because they're either going to hurt me or I'm going to want to hurt them like uh I I don't have to do that I can I can help people I can want to love them I can you know figure out something and I I dude it first started and what really started helping a lot was I had involved with a lot of different stuff from a juvenile detention center going in and meeting with some of those kids once a week to uh homeless shelter to becoming a official volunteer at the Denver

35:49Children's Hospital and taking the grudge guys through there and I think like Rashad and Dwayne and Shane Carwin and Brendan and all these guys you know they were going and and they actually saw me going through the really tough uh addictions and getting kicked off Grudge Fight team and then a year later I'm luckily able to organize an event where the they wouldn't let us come in just as fighters to visit the kids CU they were like Fighters why would you guys come and visit us and uh that's violent and so I decided oh I'll become a volunteer here go through all the processes and the training and all the other stuff and then I I loved volunteering there and then after they got to know me I'm like hey can we do a team visit man us in their the best visit they had ever had was the bikers um like this biker gang guys they always brought pizza on Wednesday night or something and uh and

36:42they literally did look look rough and tumble and um and then they said ours was a second pass and I'm like you know what then they they said well I won't say the teams but some of the other uh big Major League Sports they said those have been and they named some of them they're like they've been some of absolute worst and I'm like man see you thought Fighters were going to come in here and I don't know if you thought we were going to beat up the kids or something but but uh no we we're passionate about the sport I mean I think passionate means you love something so much that you'll suffer for it or or even that suffering looks like enjoyment or becomes enjoyment because you love it and you're passionate about it and so I mean whenever you're a fighter you're getting beat up and all that other stuff and man we're we're passionate people we we really love each

37:28other it's all team com camaraderie and um yeah there's an intense camaraderie between people that train together yeah they because you you go through such difficult sessions and difficult sparring and difficult moments and conditioning and all that stuff and you push each other and it's a different kind of bond right yeah and on that I think I saw someone recently post uh something that was pretty cool where it showed uh like a Jiu-Jitsu gym and it was um showing all the different people and in it it said something like this is the where's the one place you you can find these religious people and these different skin colors and I forget how how it was worded but on the and we yeah and we all get along and there's all piece it's like on the mats I love that yeah I do as well did do you stay in any way in touch with those kids from back in the day from the kids that bullied

38:20you did you ever it was actually funny after The Ultimate Fighter um I got invited out by one of the guys um and uh just because I think a couple of people uh just yeah I saw one of the guys who was one of the main guys and he's like hey I just saw him walking around downtown Fort Worth and he's like why don't we go out here or whatever I'm like all right I'll go and well he had actually uh brought me into uh the sushi restaurant and all around the table was most of the people that were not most it was probably only like eight or 10 people but they were some of the main kids that were at that party when I dressed up and everything wow he man if you if we have known you were a fighter or you know you could have kicked our butts and we wouldn't have done that to you and I'm just like so I told him I was going to the bathroom and just left um for I think that's the only time I've

39:08ever done anything like that but I was just like I can't can't be around these guys did you did you sense any feeling of remorse from them or did they just want to be friends with you one or two of them uh one guy for sure he's he's he's pretty cool now and um but then one is uh is a knucklehead for sure and still yeah big time you know it's that classic thing of kids ganging up on one kid that's a weird Instinct that sometimes children have you remember that movie Carrie when they uh she goes to the prom and did you ever see that spaic movie it's based on a great Stephen King book you know I I I know the cover in my head the the spasic movie was really trippy uh John Travolta is in it back in the day young and handsome um but it's you know that's the theme is that they push her she has these crazy telekinetic powers and they push her to this point and they do it by

40:06mocking her and bullying her they take her to the prom and they pour pigs blood on her head she winds up killing everybody oh wow yeah it's pretty pretty crazy but that that thing that happens when kids gang up on a kid that they feel like is vulnerable like what the is that man what a horrible Instinct like is that but I mean I I just I struggle to understand where that instinct comes from or why people do it it's um especially little kids yeah I mean I I guess I could understand that if the kids have been abused themselves and they want to lash out they're angry and hurt but often times it's just they find someone who's vulnerable it's like they find the pecking order and they find that one person they can get away with and they all funnel their insecurities and their anger and their aggression on this one person just cuz they with no regard whatsoever what kind of impact

40:59it's going to have on that kid yeah and I think I think one of the things that makes it so much worse now is at Le I mean I don't know I get to hear some of the stuff and they can't escape it like because it follows them home I mean all that cyber bullying and they get the text and the all the stuff so it it's constantly so I could at least Escape it from I don't know 8 to three 8 to three I was at school but when I came home I was I was okay and um maybe that gave me a break but uh a little bit of a break from it but I mean it's nuts the world that we live in and the stuff that's happening I mean what you said happen in Germany and other like school shootings that happened here I was in Aurora when the the movie theater thing happened um and it's just terrible but then I there's absolutely without a doubt zero excuse for you know never do anything

41:47like that but then I kind of have looked at it maybe once before it might be stupid for me to talk about it now but um I kind of can see where they've been pushed over the edge in a way no excuse they should not ever do anything like that but um for me it's like man they they it was never a fair fight they were always cornered um uh outnumbered um beaten down over and over and over and they just snapped and uh now it's terrible don't do yeah I don't know if that's the case with the Aurora shooter I think was completely insane yeah but I I think it certainly can happen to people where they get to this point where not not only do they not want to live they don't want you to live anymore either cuz I mean I'm sure if you had been in this situation where you knew someone you had a friend who was in the same boat as you you know like um those kids from Coline you know where

42:40the the two kids got together and they sort of helped each other do something really up if you were involved with the wrong people at that time and someone had a gun and you knew where these kids were and you you know you wanted to do that to yourself who knows what you would have wanted to do to them as well yeah it's a it's kind of scary thing to think about I I did have a dark period it was I think it was in between seventh and eighth grade where I started hanging out with a lot of the I don't know just the the kids that are were involved in just darker thoughts music stuff like that where it um where you know I'm hanging out with them and we're all we're all depressed you know and we're we're listening to that Papa Roach song The Last Resort you know uh I think it's like cut myself bleeding you know I'm never going to or I don't want to breathe again or live

43:29again or something like that and then all of a sudden they're bringing out uh what are those the big big black cats or those Ms or something like that M and there's a bunch of frogs where we lived in the country and they go get the frogs blow up a frog get another frog blow up a frog another frog blow up frog and all I'm like hey this is this is a little way too dark for me so I'm I'm going to how do you blow up a frog you stick it in its mouth yeah stick in his mouth and just light it right in front sorry for anyone and the Frog just keeps it in his mouth for some strange they're hopping hopping hopping with it in his mouth yeah with his mouth and because I think maybe with the m80s they use those cuz they're they're big so you stick it in there it kind of stick they can't get it out they can't get it out oh God yeah so brutal anyways when that happened I was

44:11like okay I I need to I need to change the that was a group of like five or six kids that were just in a very very dark place and even one's in jail so dude what a bummer you're buming me out want to do that every time you've been here it's just been all joyful and loving and all the I didn't know your your history do well hey man it's just honest expression there's nothing wrong with it it's just it it makes me um as an adult I I almost want to go back in time and like stop it from happening you know it makes me it makes me very sad it's just it's one of the worst aspects of human beings that they could plan something like that and do that and just try to ruin someone's life just for sport just for fun for no reason you didn't do anything to them it's just it's up man I see it as a a thing that actually helped shape and mold me now in a way of like I

45:08look at it and it's it was Loretta while we were writing the book she's like do you not see all these kind of parallels and I'm like what do you mean you grew up you got really really bullied now you're trying to help people that are like maybe the most bullied people on planet Earth I'm like oh I guess I I see that now in the what was it last not the last trip but the second to last trip to Congo that had I was there and we're having to get a mechanic to help wear tires and different stuff and all sudden a drunk mechanic comes out he's always drunk and uh and he comes out he talking with us this little boy walks by he's literally he should be in school but because his family so poor he's out selling eggs and if he's selling eggs he make you know nothing but he'll never be able to go to school probably and he's just trying to make money to to feed his

45:53family and he's literally 5 six seven years old and he's coming around selling eggs normally they sell them hardboiled um but sometimes they don't when they're when they're walking around you want to eat it then but this kids were all raw and so it's even harder for him to sell them um but the drunk guy picked up the egg he's looking at it shakes a little bit finds out it's raw and just smashes him uh the kid this is an adult 30 something year old man and this is literally a a 56 S8 year old kid just smashes it over his head and the kid looks up at him with just fear and man not smart for me because uh because you know I'm the outsider um to the government's eyes and everything else but like I almost got in a fist fight with them I remember just pulling my hand straight back and and just almost just backhanding them right across the face and then Ben's like whoa whoa whoa

46:43and I grabbed I think I grabbed his shirt or grabbed his shoulder and I said Ben translate for me real quick if he ever layes his hands on that kid or any other kid I'm going to lay my hands on him and so just make sure he understands that this kind of thing and um I don't even know why and that except for yeah I mean I just don't get get people sometimes um let's we we'll get into some positive stuff but that that one just blew me away I was like you're an old guy picking on a a kindergartener I just as a I mean as a person I don't understand it but I also don't understand it like logically I don't understand like where that inclination comes from like what what is it about a human being that makes him want to do that like what how's how did that develop how is it so common um I don't know I guess when you put someone down you feel better about yourself do you really I mean does

47:38anybody really I don't what I've found is the exact opposite when you help somebody it actually helps you you love somebody you feel more loved when you yeah you know so um so it's counterintuitive but that's kind of what people do right do the opposite of what what we could or should but it's so common I I I wonder like what is is the cause the root cause of it does it play some sort of evolutionary role like what is it like like pecking order with chickens like they try to find out who's the weakest one and they'll attack they'll all attack like the weakest chicken they'll all Peck at it it's it's like what the is that like why is it are they trying to weed out the weak is it an evolutionary thing is it are they terrified of someone doing that to them so they strike first well you know what there's actually a a pretty incredible video up to you so the voice

48:28there's actually a pretty incredible video that I I was absolutely terrible whenever I I gave the speech or whatever but I I played part of the video cut it down to like 3 minutes it said like 12 I think it's called the battle at Krueger have you seen that no it's in Africa oh I have seen that it's the that's the water buffalo water buffal in the back and the yep lion takes the the back of the pack the smaller weaker younger Lions all go after that one tackle Splash in the water they're dragging the baby out of the out of the the lake and then all or river and all of a sudden a huge crocodile comes and grabs it and they have a tug-of war match with this baby I think it was a Kate Buffalo Kate Buffalo yeah and so uh it wasn't a wilderbeast right it was k Buffalo I think anyway one of those and uh and yeah it's nuts but what I love almost in that analogy of where you know if you're

49:24standing by like you're inour enaging it or if you're not doing anything you're encouraging it but if you just stand up oh that's the stat I saw where 87% of Bullying happens in the presence of nobody but in the times that it is around people if one person says one thing to the bully 90% of the time I it's 80 to 90% of the time it stops within 5 Seconds The Bullying like just it stops and it doesn't have to be anything aggressive it can be hey man lay off of them and then if you after that it's something like 95% of time if you invite the bullied victim to come into your group or hang out or sit at your table or whatever um then it stops even even better right away when you don't address the bully but you address the person that's getting bullied so it seems like the people that are bullying they almost need reinforcement and they get they're getting reinforced by people being

50:14complicit or being silent or yeah join in like those Lions the one lion decides to take out the little guy different though that's what they just that's what they do for food you know that's how they stay alive that's a natural instinct this is a weird evilness the one thing I do like about it though is with those two stats like say something don't be passive whenever one Kate Buffalo turned around a couple other ones did too and then one came in there in the middle of the the line one hit one line threw it in the air and then all of them tucked tail and ran yeah once they realize what a Kate Buffalo could actually do to them yeah man that's so Terri you know K buffalos apparently uh are some of the most dangerous animals in Africa and they they will charge you just so used to being around people um or around animals rather that are trying to kill them yeah

51:04I almost got us uh arrested and not uh not just a little bit a lot of bit where we accidentally um believe the Serengeti in Tanzania and we're on the border of Kenyon Tanzania and we're taking a shortcut from some locals which is always fine if you're from there and we saw this awesome but we didn't know we were going through this serengetti it just thought it was a shortcut we didn't pay for a part pass or anything like that and all I see this just gigantic cape buffalo skull just sitting in the middle of nowhere I'm like let's get that let's take it back and so we put that in the back of the truck all a sudden we're driving and uh we get pulled over by the park rangers then they see the cap buffo skull they say we're poachers they say this that and just swarmed by uh by all these these Park Rangers like three or four different Vehicles oh wow they're going

51:50to arrest me all this different stuff and and our crew and uh luckily anyways that's random thing but we just said hey can I just put it right back where it was I didn't I didn't mean to I didn't know we were in a national park yeah they don't take any from poachers out there it's very dangerous they they kill poachers on site yeah um they can kill them where it's a lot of times it's um literally the life impr prison sentence for certain foring yeah for for for um like endangered species for sure with like uh the Okapi um one of my my last trip someone tried to I I think I maybe said that earlier where uh on one of the past episodes where someone tried to sell me the meat and the fur of an okapi and then um okes are endangered yes and they're only found in the one area that we're we're kind of working in and uh and the rebel groups there went to little Wildlife Reserve for them

52:50protecting them and uh they went and murdered like uh I don't know 15 or 20 of them like that were there trying to help stimulate you know come help them come back in the wild and everything else they just went and killed them all um yeah and then another guy was trying to sell me a uh a rhino horn um and yeah just brutal now I poaching sucks but I love how the the pygmies culture is with with hunting I I even have a a quick video um if I think um did you see what they're doing where they're making 3D printed uh cloned rhino horns and they're going to flood the market with them that's a great idea yeah see if you can find that do that with shark fins too right yeah yeah they're um I mean these people eat shark fins I mean it's it's up that they're killing them all and making soup out of them but Jesus at least they're eating them these are the rhino thing is

53:47insane yeah it's it's absolutely based on nothing I mean the I medicine in China but it's crazy yeah I just can't imagine that here we are in 2016 with Viagra and SE Alis and all these different boner pills you buy at the gas station that red band takes when I was pulling this up I found uh this funice and alsoin Horn are not the solution to poaching crisis experts say yeah the experts don't agree that that's the best way well I don't know if it's the best way either I mean I just can't imagine that the rhinos are literally on the verge of going extinct because people want to kill them and take their horns which do nothing I mean it's isn't it like the same substance as like a fingernail or toenail or something like that it is exactly that's exactly what it is it's like hair yeah yeah it's but they have this erroneous idea that you eat it and it makes your dick

54:43hard just I don't what the is going on with Asia that's a broad statement isn't it boy I boy did I generalize I generalize that a billion people the going on with Asia man I mean I wonder I think it's also a status symbol I was reading that even though it might not necessarily be real or really work but it's such an uh ancient cultural status symbol thing that like these businessmen will get together and they'll have like Rhino horn tea you know and they but they think it's cool because it's illegal and you can't get it and it's dangerous and it's got to come from Africa and so it must really work h I don't no no I'm just kidding maybe that's what they think though if it's legal it's this expensive you know maybe it does something their their Grandfather said it worked his grandfather said it worked why don't you Google that Jamie does rhino horn actually work no it it won't

55:39how do you know I mean maybe it doesn't work as good as your fingernails doesn't maybe it does maybe you just got to eat enough fingernails yeah imagine what's an acceptable source to find this is true or not I don't would from gole have to isn't that funny like you have to find a website that you trust right it's got to be like wired.com or somethings has a story on fact or fiction use on it but what does it what does that say PBS is probably valid it's a lot of information I'd have to read first but just a long article about it Rhino horn use fact or fiction I always when when I'm exhausted and I look at something like that I go to the very bottom and say hm how do they wrap this up overall not much evidence to support yeah the pleora of claims about the hearing properties of the horns there you go that's good good little tip I just learned from yeah if you're not

56:32really this isn't life dependent this is not something that you're really it's not really a factor in your life yeah just go to the bottom line it's it is very strange oh okay not believed as once believed it's not as once believed rather made simply from a clump of compressed or modified hair recent Studies by researchers in Ohio University Ohio there you go using computerized what is that word tomography CT scans have shown that the horns are in fact similar in structure to horses hoofs Turtle beaks and bills the studies also reveal that the centers of the horns have dense mineral deposits of calcium and melanin a finding that may explain the curve and shape sharp tip of the horn the calcium would strengthen the horn while the melanin would protect some of the core from being degradated by ultraviolent radiation from the sun huh softer outer portion worn away over

57:31time by the Sun and typical Rhino activities bashing horns with other animals rubbing on the ground the inner core would be sharpened into a point much like a wooden pencil huh yeah there were then the horn that he this kid was basically trying to sell it he was like 15 16 years old his dad was the poacher and uh his dad didn't want to get arrested so he sends his kid um and uh it had all sorts of like uh deep deep like scratches inside of it and stuff and or just all over kind of the top was all nicked up and stuff University of Hong Kong found that large doses of rhino horn extract could slightly lower fever in rats imagine if Rhino horn was a cure to malaria Malia then we would start breeding them right for like we do with chickens and stuff yeah how strange it's just I mean obviously it's not happening in the western world it's not happening here uh but it could I guess right I

58:28mean PE some people are just up some people they don't care if something's about to go extinct they just want they want what they want and if they want that Rhino horn for whatever strange reason it's just yeah well it's like it's like uh it's like kind of with the trees um you know we we're getting ready I think to replant um I think it's 1,000 more trees um which would take our total up to 4500 um on the land for the pygmies and around there the reason I mean China and all these other places are coming in they're cutting down the rare Hardwoods the mahogany and and reason King Leopold went there was the rubber boom and the trees there and everything else but then um it just nuts me because I think they you know they want it for greed money everything else but then the people in the country they're starting to to to learn and get educated in the fact that

59:19like hey if we're cutting down all these trees we better start replanting some because it takes so long um for them to grow back and so uh no but it's just for charcoal or fire and they're like then once that's gone what do you have yeah Bonia actually um the town that all of our well drillers live in at the University they um they used to be in a rainforest now you have to drive three four hours to get to the closest forest W you have to drive 3 or four hours away and it used to be in the center of the not center of the rainforest but the edge of the rainforest used to be all forest and now it's not three or four hours drive yeah and it's all it's all just because of deforestation all chopping down for logging man I was in Canada and um they they do a pretty good job of regulating it in BC but it's still disturbing because you you come across these these big gigantic Fields where

60:11the trees are just gone all the trees have been cut and you know they plant some and they have they they also have like perches they leave perches for animals which is uh probably like an awesome spot for like a a hawk or an eagle or something like that cuz everything's cut down they can see everything straight straight to the pr yeah but it's um these cut I forget what they call it these patches where everything's cut down it's it's so disturbing it's like I get I get that they replant I get that they have a cycle I get that this but it just bugs me that people could do that they just giant swaths of the landscape shaved off and turned into toothpicks or whatever the they do with it yeah and uh so I was in a village before my wife's first time to Congo and it was I mean it was almost like you know Lush untouched virgin forest and then all of a sudden

61:09uh come back next time with her come out of the forest come back in it's probably a month or so cuz we went to a couple other villages we go back start going on the same hike and all of a sudden there's just this huge clearing at least 10 acres probably 20 25 and it was just nothing there except for a few remaining huge cut down trees that I could stand in front of and the the I don't know the base or whatever was way taller than I was I like I like a next to it man so yeah it's pretty crazy and I was telling her I'm like babe like when I was like take some pictures of this I think I have some pictures right here of where where we are right now on this Trail and like there used to be trees here and it was nuts cuz all of a sudden for me I if I'm the rainforest is great actually I mean it's hot and I'm all hairy but uh but uh she or but being Under The Canopy

61:59of the rainforest man I love that cuz it's shaded and everything else still hot still humid um but I'm not getting burned right so on especially yeah you're really pale right on the hike I was getting burned and I'm like man this is nuts especially you're on that malaria medication right right um they were talking on this uh documentary I was watching about the deforestation of the Amazon about how fast it's happening and how terrifying it is and uh a big part of it I guess is uh not even well there's logging but there's also they cut it down to make room for cattle grazing and uh when they were showing the there's just a sheer size of the deforestation of how much they've done and so quickly and then um also the people that live in these areas where if they resist the loggers or they resist they just get murdered yeah especially the um the indigenous people

62:51that are more out there and that happens with the pygmies too because they're the weer more vulnerable ones that that you can push around and they can't push back and so when you consider your life and you consider this horrible uh these stories that you're telling us about your your upbringing how disturbing it is do does it feel to you since you found this like sense of purpose and this um this real connection with these people in the Congo that almost like these horrible events in your life were setting you up to be the perfect person to find these folks without a doubt for me honestly it's it's almost like um what's the right word maybe maybe sort of my chance at kind of redemption or or just not not being the kid that I grew up being not that I was a bad kid or anything but just I I hated myself and I was like you know what I get to I get to stop hating

63:43myself I get to stop love and I get to start loving others and um well not just that you also have this massive impact on other people you have all these people that love you you have this amazing wife now you have this amazing pygmy family you have your regular family it's to like you have so much positive going on now it's really kind of incredible it's almost like you the horrible experiences you had as a young kid have sort of made you into this incredible adult oh oh thinkk yeah um I don't know about that because jacked up and I uh but you know what I mean M I mean I don't even know how this honestly there's there's not a good explanation that I could probably explain that like it should be working or that it's working like it is because well with me at the front of it because I don't have any Community Development training or I don't have a degree um I

64:42actually don't speak the language I'm learning uh but how how much can you speak when have rary I don't know like KO Joe yeah I can say my name is this where's the bathroom you doing okay you're but when they you're like oh you lost me it's tough if if the saying is is pretty what does it sound like what do they sound like when they're talking uh Jimmie pull some pig me heyy that's that's one of the forest calls it's kind of like our walkie-talkies oh yeah you yell that out let people know where you are so what are you saying when you're saying that that is actually it's not a word It's Kind like you or yeah or it's actually like I'm over here where are you kind of thing like that we're just checking we even at just excitement just fun I mean whenever we go on Hikes those hikes are long right and there's no TV or you can't text or scroll scroll internet um you yeah have

65:37each other which is always great but then you goof off I mean I actually you know what uh I have I bet in one of those videos it has uh them speaking and it's pretty awesome I remember that do you when you're say when you're saying hikes like you're talking like recreational hikes no no no you just got to get around you hear talk someone talk about hikes in La it's like oh I'm G to take my little dog to ran we're gonna go hiking like you say hiking that's what people think they think of some recreational activity with one of those little uh you know those little camel things the little the water things Camel Back water reservoirs you put on your back and you suck on the straw as you're walking you know what's funny is staying hydrated I I took I took a couple of those to Congo the first couple times and I realize just how impractical they are and in a real long-term not a not a

66:27Day hike or a three-day weekend or something a lot of guys don't like those yeah a lot of guys don't like them they'd rather have a how do you say that word n Nene n right Nene how do you say it I think it's Nene what is that is just like a certain type of plastic I think it's a really hard durable plastic that yeah that people use for water jugs but uh that's what I would rather use because the other one's too hard clean and too already fill up and leaks and it just all sorts of stuff but some people like it because they don't they don't have to stop they can just keep walking and just suck on that thing as they're walking I've never used one though yeah I I used it for the first two times I went which was like uh about a month each and uh you switch to water bottles yeah and then even the they have those Camelback kind of like I think they're called like a platypus or something

67:16that's um it's a gravity filter uh for water where you have a dirty water bag you have a clean scoop the dirty you hang hang the dirty and it goes down through a filter into the clean bag yeah I've seen that that's interesting yeah Jimmy see if you could find that does that work those don't work the uh I think they work great here in the states where you're not dealing with much right but whenever the water is is is dirty like really dirty um it they break pretty quick so you have to backwash them and other stuff there's there's some that are that are good but even the maintenance of them just really really tough so they work for like one filtration they won't work over my first time I went for about a month I had it for a week or two and then all of a sudden it was it started breaking because I was even filtering the water you know in the town that's coming from

68:09Wells cuz I don't know if they right if they did it properly right when they built it and so uh and I've been sick enough I'm like I'm done with this I hear you so I'm filtering that stuff and then by the time I get out to the forest I was able to use it a few days and then it was out and then all I was stuck with just chlorine tablets the rest of the the time um and you can boil it but it's it's just impractical where every single time you want to drink you take uh you know take a container down to dirty water which could be 30 45 minutes away um bring it back boil it right bring it back boil it uh filter it yeah and then all of a sudden all the the ash is getting in it and then it's the hot humid rainforest on the equator and boiling water doesn't uh cool down basically ever there so uh it's it's it's impractical to do it that way but what I love now is oh you know it's

69:02um I'm pump right here let's do it so this is this girl first of all she's way too hot to be in this video she's very distracting but uh they're going to take this in what looks like a very clean stream so this is so much different than what you but people should also be aware that clean streams although they may look clean you could still get jaria from them yeah that that's exactly what I learned from uh his name his buddy of mine named Matt uh he was the director of implementation now he's like the I think Chief Operating Officer and he uh he came out there and one of the things he really drilled into us for our well drilling team we're learning from a great guy he's saying hey you can uh you can drill a 100 Wells or 200 Wells but if you didn't do it right and proper then I would have rather you done one the right way or none none uh if you do it the right or the wrong way 100 times

69:55200 times um and you are giving a village like he you just hit home hard cuz he's like look we're learning every single step you can't skip one we got to drill this anywhere you know it you know because we can't skip a step or miss something and then all of a sudden they are looking at it drinking it it tastes good it's uh it's clean it's cool it's crisp it's in a well but yet it can still still be you know contaminated dirty and still get real sick if you don't properly construct the well no matter what well it is the well here anywhere what is the uh what are the factors like when you say prop properly construct like what are the issues you have to avoid yeah so we um man and our our team's getting getting great but by the way real quick last time I was on the show I think we had completed 20 water wells I went back and looked at that 20 water wells uh today I got a

70:45picture sent to me um and it's our 45th Water Well w Yeah man so that's incredible dude I love it I I absolutely love it and so what's so great is seeing that you know they're they're they're taking this on as as their own thing they're flying on their own two Wings they they were empowered in a way that's like hey you can you can do this you can do it for yourself for your countrymen um you guys are going to be more passionate about ending the suffering because you know the suffering because you have suffered you've lost family members you have sick kids all that different stuff and so they're going to be able to be a better Champion for this cause than I could be because I mean maybe we have different resources where I get to you know you share your platform with me which is been incredible um and the kickstarter and the documentary coming out all that

71:38different stuff is really great but um but I know that the team there like I I I couldn't do anything without them doing it and how how great they've gotten but well that's a beautiful thing that you've helped them help themselves you you taught them how to help themselves yeah well that I think that's right there look at that picture there we go yeah I love it that's that to me if I could explain it is better than um I don't know I've been to the world I was just at UFC 200 uh was that uh uh the World Series NBA Finals Super Bowl Pacquiao fights I mean I I've been to all these things and I mean those crowds those huge crowds are 30 40 50 100,000 different stuff and that little crowd of 100 funny like to me it drowns out the sound of a entire Stadium like it's a different kind of it's a different kind of gratitude thankfulness right when you suffered

72:35your whole life and then you you get to partner with people and I'm not even talking about me like our team our well drillers you know they see them coming in staying with them living like they're living eating like they're eating sitting around the campfire like they sit around which nobody else does that with them and so sleeping in the Huts that they sleep in um which nobody else would do uh in that area um and then like you just develop this Bond and really quickly and to where all of a sudden they're jumping in and and helping with the construction of the well and everything else now they do the simple day labor stuff not the technical stuff but then um yeah our guys are they're they're they're getting it down which is pretty cool that's amazing yeah now you're at 45 Wells yeah and what is do you have an ultimate goal or would you just like to continue I think the My

73:26ultimate goal lines up with water Four's ultimate goal which I love and then with our Drillers in Congo like our goal is to end the Water Crisis if possible um we think it is possible and we have the technology we should be able to do it in our lifetime like before you or me pass this earth like we should have the technology to get everyone clean water isn't it crazy that that is that's their issue when when over here in America we have so many trivial things that we're constantly worrying about and fretting when when it get down to basic human Necessities like water the ability to get clean water which is without that all the all the other things that we argue are bicker about they're all it's all nonsense yeah absolutely that's something that oh man that's something that I I almost like I get this crazy culture shock cuz I feel like I'm in two different worlds and when I'm there it's

74:24so I there's it's uncomfortable but because I'm passionate about it you know I I enjoy it um but then getting back here sometimes it's like man like everything a lot of times everything that we're chasing even me uh it doesn't really matter um in the big grand scheme of things you know how can we how can we instead get for ourselves how can we give to another person cuz like I mean truly is like that's that's better and I know you have to take care of yourself so you can take care of someone else like I get that right um I I I just think it's kind of like this our culture here you see kids and even adults that's mine right I mean that's that's our culture we say that's mine give me that it's mine in Congo if uh if a kid if uh that kid that had the eggs instead of having an egg if he had a bag of peanuts and he bought it for himself and then I walk by sit down with him if

75:21I'm a friend or not even just introducing myself he's going to offer me his food he said like instead of it's mine he's going to say you want some and so it's different in that culture where it's not they don't have anything but they'll give you everything they got like for instance um that that knife last time uh that I was able to you know bring back that Chief Lio made um you know he he made a bow and arrow and I'm actually bringing that to you it was under our crawl space and I I lost it and now I know where it is but uh it's pumped to bring that back to you but I mean for them to give that kind of stuff away whenever Leo May he's the chief of his village and now because he's got a job he might have more but whenever I knew him he had maybe he was lucky if he had two changes of clothes because most of the pygmies have the clothes on their back they don't even have a blanket the

76:13fire is their blanket um and so it's just completely I don't know night and day difference but there's a lot of people that have listened to this that have gotten this far that want to figure out how they can help so what what can people do to donate where can they go yeah I mean water for's website is that the best place to start or fight the forgotten. both of them are one in the same we fight for the forgotten. yeahor they both work both work fight forgot. org.com and uh there's a big yellow donate button click on that and have at it folks oh well thank you man and uh it's been uh man it's been crazy to see what's going on we're getting ready to do something that I'm I'm pumped about me and papa Y and Ben and Matt we had like talked about it and kind of dreamed it up and uh and we were saying how how awesome would it be if in this if in Bonia which is kind of a city center

77:06maybe half less than half a million people for sure but um you know in the city center where there's University there's a community development program that's literally changing their part of Congo by not waiting on the government or by not waiting on an NGO like they're just taking the initiative themselves and so we've seen that they're so bought in that whenever we presented an idea of what if we could start a Sustainable Solutions appropriate Technology Center where there's land water and Food Solutions and then after that maybe we can get into solar maybe after that we can do this or that or you know whatever but at that place we'll have different stations where here's land you can come learn about land rights um how to replant the trees the forestry aspect you know all that different stuff the importance of land and we have people there that can help and show them things

77:57if a chief wants to come in and book our well drilling team for their Community for their they can come in see how we do it why we do it everything about it we want to have a little conference room where we can train people up on the wash program because now we're doing that all the villages that we've drilled wells in we're going back in and we're doing uh the wash program water and sanitation and hygiene and so with that I mean if you do they have do they have ouses what do they use for uh they're getting them they're getting them now and so uh for the year I was there there was one or two of the 10 villages we were in had a quote unquote latrine but it was only like 3 or 4 feet deep which isn't isn't a safe normally so most of them are just going in the woods yeah and honestly like that's if yeah until you do it the right way with cuz outside of there some

78:44of those some of those latrines in the cities man I I definitely think I've gotten sick from a fly that maybe landed there so I mean I don't know but um but yeah so we get to go in there Now teach them how to dig the latrines make sure it's way far enough away from the the water well um and then you know outside of the that's another issue too right it can contaminate the water if you want if you have to keep um what is I think 30 m away uh or more um any latrines um and then if it's a uh like a what is that a dump trash dump um it has to be 50 m or more there's any batteries different stuff like that in it um um and so yeah we make sure and this is what's nuts so uh on one of my last trips I went and we're going through Uganda on the border of Congo and there's these people that are so proud of their water well and I I I love that but then I feel like the people who ever

79:41did it um I don't know cut them really short or just they they shouldn't be drilling Wells because I went in the restroom and then all a sudden I look out the window and it's I'm at a gas station ugana is a lot nicer than Congo um I mean there's still terrible brutal poverty parts of that but just night and day difference um and whenever I looked out I see there's here's the 18 wheeler filling up here's someone else filling up and in between that I'm I'm at the toilets the other side there's a trash dump there's 18 wheelers and trucks filling up with fuel and right in the middle of the two fuel pumps is a water well oh God they drilled it on the on the lot of the gas station with a trash dump with the latrines and toilets and so it was completely contaminating and the line was so long and and Ben was trying to tell him like Hey just want to tell you cuz we love you that water is

80:35really not safe same thing Matt Matt kind of ingra ingrained that into us toward where it's like um you know you got to do it the right way and so Ben was taught that so this was a recent well that these guys had put in and it was one of the and there's a big line of people to try to get to this Rec I'm telling you there was at least 20 30 people in line um and Ben was trying to tell him in the most appropriate way possible to like not crush the hopes and dreams of the The Village there but he also wanted to know like hey this water can it looks safe it's not oh and so uh so that's why we're testing our wells and whatever happen did you just you had to leave yeah I mean it's a town we don't I've been in the town maybe twice but um yeah this the first time I I saw it last time Jesus yeah so uh but that's what's crazy a lot of people don't know like uh I think it's no I know it is half the

81:28hospital beds in the world right now are because of dirty water or water born related diseases half half half y so if if we were able to if if as human beings if we could join forces unite kind of like everyone did against Abola you know if we attack the problem head on and just because we got it we don't pretend everybody else has it like we could really in this thing we could uh we could fix it like the the tools are there the water is there it's under our feet um and here we waste it and there we there uh there they don't have it we don't hear about ebola anymore it's like it's over it's like they moved on to zika zika yeah zika zika yeah all the Olympians are going to get it yeah they're all of them oh last time when I got back uh they were the CDC was testing me um two different rounds of treatments trying to figure out what so on that trip I told you going in I got

82:27malaria right now malaria I keep meaning to ask you this if you have malaria can someone else get it from you no if a mosquito stings you while you have malaria and then sting somebody else they can't get it uh I mean that's that's one I never heard of or I mean I've never thought of that one but remember that when people were worried about that with HIV they were worried about mosquito transmission that was like the big thing keep away from gay people in the summer yeah I I I I had never thought of that but I I know that don't shoot ha in the swamp I I know that the yeah the doctors that you know they're always saying you're you're fine and I mean I can I can fight and everything else test my blood and you have malaria and you can fight yeah but I I I literally don't because it's in my liver I think you would have to go into the liver unless it was a current outbreak that what

83:19about a liver kick if you got liver kicked don't don't let out that that secret just kidding um no but it's it's it's been a lot of fun to I don't know I I think what maybe kind of shifted was that kind of growing up you know getting bullied you're only looking at why am I getting bullied and all this stuff's true and I am not a good person and then or nobody likes me whatever then when I got 23 fighting still not really fulfilled I was living for more for myself there and I'm like man what what what am I doing with my life and now it's so cool because seeing that and being able to tell you that last time I was here 20 water wells or 25 but regardless we've we've done 20 or 25 more and so that to me is a life that I get to look at and if I were to if I were to die I know I know without a shadow of a doubt that my life meant something and I know that I would have I

84:22never felt that before during the Depression addiction and all that other stuff but now I know that the life I live hopefully will I'll outlive my life you know like the I want this team to what do what they're doing climb higher than I can climb run farther than I can run jump higher than I can jump you know like I want my what's that saying I want my uh ceiling to be their floor I want them to to go farther than I can go because then that means that I actually made a impact that matters that mattered to them enough that it continued that it had a residual effect it just kept kept on going and man that's that's really shifted kind of kind of everything in my life like man this is this is what life is about like if I I I've been signing my book Rec or ever since it came out but I sign it live to love love to live and I know that can sound cheesy or goofy or whatever but that's something

85:21that just really helped me whenever I was so so bring up was man if that's what I focus on if I can live my life to love love then I'll love to live but everyone wants to love their own life that they live and so they're just focus on that and get this and get this materialistic thing and get this different chick cuz she didn't make me happy or you know this or that or whatever whenever it's like you know what like hey let's focus let's I I don't know if that's if that's Mak think there's a natural inclination to gravitate towards unable things like and mansions and you see those things on TV in the movies and you just that shows you that you've made it and when you don't have anything and you you're wanting for things you don't have money and you're struggling you look at someone who's got all those things and money and you think if I only had that

86:12all my worries would be gone and then I would be happy but if you had that and nobody likes you your life is yeah it's it's still meanwhile you are in a hut in the middle of nowhere with well the middle of the Congo with all these people and you're having a great time and you're making Wells and you're loving life that that picture that uh came up I think why why I got so excited was um because that night in that Village um I mean we I'm I'm not kidding danced and danced and danced and and and and and feasted I mean we we just all came together just to celebrate celebrate life celebrate each other celebrate guess what our kids aren't going to be sick anymore different stuff like that to where it's just a life where like like what you were just saying you always comparing comparing comparing for me man comparison I think for most people um comparison is

87:12probably the number one Thief what robs us of joy of of being able to be at peace is we're always comparing ourselves and we always compare up we never compare down right um or just compare ourselves to people that are just like us we always look at that what you're saying is unattainable MHM and um always pursuing that and my whole thing has been like recently man I just want I think our I've learned it from our team in Congo like that's been the greatest gift like you were saying that you know there's been a lot of great stuff that's been happening and that's true but I and man started thinking and now I think it sounds cliche but I'll say it anyways where man like they've given me more of a gift than I can I can give them I mean you you see I told you the growing up and everything else but to find a life of of purpose of passion of helping one another of I

88:08don't know our mission statement is defend the weak love the unloved empower the voiceless and the the vision statement is overcoming oppression with overwhelming opportunity and so if we can go into these communities and we've seen incredible stuff that's what's going to be in the dock this last trip me Ben Matt and Derek the filmmaker we would not be they wouldn't be ashamed of me saying this we were in tears after an interview with uh one of the former slave masters that ran a hospital um and actually if you can pull up a picture it's called capula um and we we were at this this hospital and it's tough because um we were trying to get treatment for capula he's a he's a buddy of mine that passed away um and we spent 7 months take him to the hospital take him to the hospital take him to the hospital and they just sent him away cuz he was a pygman and

89:00and it's like I knew whenever I first saw him actually uh if you bring up the maybe the first capula one that's when I saw him that's when I saw him uh for the very first time we looking at a guy that's extremely emaciated yeah and so for me and so what is going on with his health right here right there we didn't know but uh I had a I mean a gut feeling that it could have been tuberculosis cuz we've we've helped several of the pygmies that have tuberculosis and stuff little gring Fina and some others um Fina the root cause of tuberculosis there was some sort of a study on that lungs I think you have a low immune system and uh there was something that just came out like really recently about tuberculosis were there it has something to do with fire oh if it's something to do with smoke I believe that because the the spread from person to person through

89:53microscopic IC droplets released in the air can happen when someone in the untreated active form of tuberculosis coughs speaks sneezes spits laughs or sings Jesus Christ imagine getting tuberculosis from a shitty song like some dude breaks out the banjo like that scene in um Animal House he breaks out a guitar and starts singing he gives you tuberculosis as well as an ear beating but see if this wasn't there some connection with fire I swear I read something really recently about that some connection between tuberculosis is that it here it is was tuberculosis born of Fire by damaging lungs and bringing people together fire may have turned a soil microbe into a global pathogen whoa many thousands of years ago Chile African n that's interesting so they think that might have started it around around a fire in a cave and that they're always the I I can't sleep with that's

90:56why the bugs are even worse on me CU I I have many times slept in theuts whenever the fire is going but it just fills up with smoke to where my eyes are just tears are coming down my face the whole time they light a fire in their Hut yeah that's their that's how they keep the the bugs out M oh well it's one of the ways but it's mainly for warmth but a benefit is there's less bugs and then um it uh and it can help waterproof their their twig and leaf Huts where where um enough smoke and everything it kind of I think like a tar soot yeah on in your lungs too though right of course yeah and there's so many kids that are getting at this Sustainable Solutions Center that we're hoping to you know get up and running we're wanting one for cooking where they can use either corn cobs or uh or corn husk or peanut shells um or different things where they can uh put those into little briquettes and

91:47then they can use that and recycle it and everything else and it it burns longer uh at at the same temperature and uh yeah and you're not having to divorce anything and you're not breathing in that terrible smoke yeah coconut charcoal is a a really f um there's a some company a grill kado company you know what a kado is one of those Japanese grills looks like a green egg that kind of thing and they sell uh charcoal made out of coconut apparently it's like one of the best charcoals cuz it's like really sustainable it's really easy to to grow and it's uh it's SL burning yeah just throw it away so what if we recycle it exactly people throw the outside of the coconut away but apparently it's really good for charcoal so Bellator has embraced this narrative they've embraced your story and they've made it a big part of you you're fighting there to uh let everybody know that you're doing it not

92:44just because you want to compete but also because you want to expose the world to this passion this project this this this sort of Life direction that you've taken yeah absolutely and I it's really cool that they've done that yeah no I I agree and that's that was the i i dude I love the UFC that's what I was 13 years old found those tapes and um just on that real quick uh I bottle those tapes put them under my bed and I would wait for my parents to go to work or to go to sleep and I'd be popping them in uh the you know the VHS and uh my dad comes in and I turn it off real quick lay down act like I'm asleep and it's you know the VCRs the VHS is still moving and the the I don't know the screen still lit up and everything my dad confiscated that tape then when he found the rest he thought it was all porn but it was uh it was just the UFC confiscate it uh well I think me

93:42being 13 being picked on he didn't want me to start fighting people at school and different stuff and so just uh just a precaution but he he told my mom uh he's going to do that one day if we let him keep that stuff and I was like no I won't but in my head I'm like yeah I will I remember looking at the VHS tape and when I turned it over and saw the the jiujitsu and Sumo and boxing and wrestling and all these different things like it came alive to me it's like oh my goodness like these guys well I think I originally connected with it cuz cuz I I'm like well these guys aren't anything like me they could stick up for themselves they can they're an athlete they're popular probably instead of being the laughing stock at the party they might be invited to the party or it might be their party and so I mean I like that aspect but um then I just fell in love with the the sport of

94:32it you and watching it and seeing how everything and now being a fan and watching how it's evolved and everything else it's just it's not seeing a guy like Dan Henderson that's been fighting I think isn't it 20 years straight 20 yeah 20 straight I was there when he was fighting in 97 and I wasn't there for his first fights he fought in 96 I think in Brazil yep I think I actually watched that uh first fight in the last couple weeks really yeah cuz uh dude I I love Dan um Dan awesome yeah and to see him even I mean because whenever he stepped in he was just a wrestler that had heavy hands but then he's just well he didn't even have heavy hands yeah you're right right beginning was just a wrestler lay down and I take him down and pound on him and yeah he figured out over time how to utilize his power that's what I want to get maybe I could bribe uh Dan or big country or

95:22someone to teach me that that big right hand just you think you can teach someone that uh I don't know I mean Dan's one of the few guysin you know like come on but big country always had power big country was known way back in the day as being a Jiu-Jitsu guy he was one of Mark Layman's guys and he was uh you know like really respected as a Grappler yeah black belt yeah but to go from that to being this crazy knockout brawler it's like people rarely see big country you never see him submit anybody I mean the closest thing was when he took Kimbo down and got him into the Mount of crucifix and just elbowed him until the referee stopped the fight but man I was on that season uh he I think he threw a couple elbows but uh when they finally stopped it we were all counting every single punch and then uh but he was just just tapping his forehead like this because it wasn't

96:12intelligently yeah defending himself but um he didn't even have to hurt him to stop the fight just tapping his forehead well he was it's almost like uh you know when you what is that called in wrestling when you uh have so many points it's a technical Tech yeah tech tech almost like that it's like you're never coming back from this yeah it's like the 10 10 run rule in Little League Baseball yeah 10 points up you just call it and uh the big countes got very good submissions but everybody expected that from him when he started fighting like if you remember back when he was fighting for elite XE which was like the most corrupt organization in the early days of MMA he had Andre olowski down inside control working for Kamura had that yep had side control had that double wrist lock position and he was working for the kamur and they stood him right up and I remember watching TV

96:59going it's corrupt it's we're screaming to the TV it's corrupt they had a 15-second rule like if you went if it went to the ground if nothing happened in 15 seconds I think Jake Shield submitted Paul Dy was one of the few submissions in Elite XE but it's just he just mounted him and just immediately went to an armar and locked it in MH W yeah was it Paul D I was I think it's Paul dy I might might be wrong I was actually um well I mean now with the Kimbo stuff happening it's pretty I mean it's very very sad um yeah man I mean apparently he there he had a doctor telling him you know for people don't know what we're talking about Kimbo died really recently of uh heart disease and he had a doctor telling him recently that uh he needed a heart transplant I guess he had some sort of congenital heart disease that um I mean how could that be you know you look at

97:50him guy's a stud he's in great shape I mean how could you imagine that he his heart was so bad that they were telling me he needed a heart transplant MH and this yeah this could I don't know probably sound cliche again too but because knowing him being an ultimate fighter and uh and him cooking the best steak I've ever had sorry big Josh um uh but he uh I don't know he had even though he had a bad heart I think I don't know emotionally had a good heart and um he was always a good guy always a very friendly guy yeah even even with um I mean technically we were supposed to fight I think three times before or two times on elex see I my name was in the Hat for that um and then because I was like a 19 or 20-y old kid uh had a decent record and then um but it was a bad matchup and so they scrapped it I get it wasn't smart then uh then on The Ultimate Fighter I was actually matched

98:46up with them and uh then Roy got it um and then we were talking about it in Bellator where at our last fight um February 19th I think Houston Toyota Center um and backstage uh oh actually that was this this will be good in a way that the dude just loved on Ben my uh brother and translator from Congo he got to actually come from Congo uh for the my my second fight and so the first fight actually if you can pull up that video it's uh it's called um fight day uh talking to my Congo guys but um it's just a it's less than a minute I think and it's they they surprised me for my first fight back um they surpris Josh woke me up and it was a guy that's like my father figure guy that's like my brother and uh it was just awesome fight day my first thing to see and here is this hey this was so awesome hey pres Who is the that's laying down you oh that's me is that your voice yeah you going to watch

100:01it yeah you can't follow it from from there but we'll record it the shittiest angle ever I couldn't even tell it's you I see it's a beard talking beard yeah I miss you guys my heart my heart's happy now I think you can stop it at a minute yeah yeah yes sir the battle's already won before the fight hey uh you go back to cono you can you can stop it now and then um it was uh it was really cool like I mean Josh was filming because he didn't want I guess it was a surprise they were going to call me and everything else but they were in Uganda getting more Well Drilling Supplies and CU you can't you can't Skype from from Congo or anything so they were at a a decent enough hotel that had Wi-Fi and uh they were able to Skype with me the day of my first fight back and uh man it was awesome that was was so much motivation seeing them hearing them and then having them come for the second

100:57fight was just uh and be there you know he was actually he was actually in my corner you're what you're doing is um helping them by building Wells is there a once you do that like say if you establish a series of wells and well building and everybody has fresh water do you want to take it another step did you did you want to try to give them um safer housing or cleaner housing do you want to try to teach them how to build houses are you are you planning on escalating it from where you're at right now yeah in fact I I went about it and it was a it was a Learning lesson I don't regret it because I got some great training here in California was a I think his is it called Hisperia California and uh there's something called Cal Earth and they build ecomes or earthbag homes and uh or they call them super Adobe the technical term um but they make it looks like pygmy Huts

101:47uh out of sandbags that they fill up with sand do it in a circle and supposedly they're earthquake proof tornado proof all this um different stuff and this is it yeah right there and a dome is the strongest structure known to man um a arches after that or vault then Arch um but yeah I was in these exact uh buildings that's like a hobbit house what a cool looking little house house quel quaddle back up but I I went there because uh why they calling it quel quaddle that's a Aztec god right that's that Aztec snake snake feathered plume serpent God Costa Rica that might be oh okay makes sense Cal earth green build I actually love all those guys there they have we have a lot of like-minded um beliefs of of how to help people and uh but yeah I loved it because housing what because I slept in the Huts the first two times I went and got rained on and literally one time

102:42woke up in the mud like sunk halfway because it just rained and rained and rained and rained and it just lying in mud yeah to where it just kept coming through it was just washing down the hill and wow um when my wife was there was doing again and all the pygmies get up and uh they came out and I didn't know what they were doing um I thought something was going on because everyone was around her Hut in a circle um digging this trench so it wouldn't come in and get Emily wet and uh they're just so so caring so awesome and uh but when I saw the Huts those ecodes Earth bag homes I was like man that's something culturally sound like that is something that they would want to live in because it looks like that it looks like their Huts similar um Square Hut so this is something that you want to try to implement with with without a doubt but it has to be the right timing because

103:26what happened was um I I I knew Papaw and the the school was working on land and I was going to help with that too um I I had no clue how to how to get clean water um I was looking for it I I was in my backyard I bought everything from Lowe's my backyard it was like a website I think literally something like how to drill yourown well.org or something and it's this guy standing on the back of his pickup truck and he's he's drilling a well but what I didn't know is that's not drinkable water the way he's doing it and everything else and so I'm in the backyard like five $600 of low stuff with PVC trying to drill my own well by myself um and uh trying to learn but I'm like man this is so hard how there's got to be a easier way and so I kind of stepped around that because I'm like you know what I can help them with housing if I go here get trained sandbags are

104:16cheap get a couple shovels make some mud and get some cement and make a plaster to go around it to waterproof it better um and that's going to work but then when kind of plaster um you just make it make it out of a a mix of uh cement and um soil and uh if if it's got the right mixture which I'm forgetting right now um it can be just as strong as uh or waterproof as like concrete or or yeah so it's uh it's a really great thing but when I get there and all of a sudden I see you know hey uh first if they don't have any land of their own then building these things are going to be worthless someone else can move into them and uh so they got to have land first there's a process like the most important thing the land and the water because water's next thin food and after that yes if it can be housing I I want to stay in a sweet spot and in a lane and not spread ourselves too thin

105:09because we focused these people that you're you dealt with in California trying to bring them in and have yeah that take over that aspect of it yes that would be cool the only thing that we are is we try to be really protective of the pygmies um and because uh I know bringing in a lot of Outsiders um most Outsiders that visit them it's not a good experience and so just bringing in a lot of random people lot if it was a couple of people that were really highly skilled had the right Hearts um their Vision lined up with our vision of how we kind of do the commun development because we want to there's a I think there's a great book I think it's called Uh helping without hurting or how to help without hurting or something like that and um I have it I should know it um I have two of them and it's it's really great about how you can go about helping people in a way that helps them

106:02more than helps you in a way of like a lot of people help because it's going to make them feel warm and fuzzy and um and and yeah you just do that enough for random people but what if you can make a difference that that lasted longer and it's great to do both right it's great to do both um I I actually love when I see someone else do some random act of kindness like it it warms my heart I love it but how can we help in a way that that really changes the game of of things there well I think you're definitely already doing that I mean you're certainly spreading it I think you feel like it's a long job and your job's not nearly done but no I don't think it ever ever will be well for water I I have definitely hope for that but then I don't know I think I just feel I don't know whenever you how is it when you have that heart connection it's kind of like well I want to see these

106:56people if they have if they have everything I got too like I still still want to hang out with them all I can of course but um no you know what though it's been really cool to see um so there's these guys from Uganda that came in and helped train us and they're called young men Drillers and they were these guys that were you've heard of The L and Joseph Coney and different stuff like that one of the guys was he told me around a campfire that was one of two it might have been three survivors out of a 3 four 500 person Village the reelers came in killed everybody he barely escaped and um then another kid another kid and it's so cool to see these young guys all of a sudden stand up and water four got involved with them and train them up on how to drill wells in their own country and these are when I say young men Drillers like I think someone were 16 17 18 when they started well

107:50then all a sudden they cranked out over 100 water wells over 100 water wheels they've been doing it longer than we have we haven't done any I'm in the Congo we try to get them out to us to help Matt comes in to train us and to continue training with them and then they were going to leave that team you got the main three guys from Young the Drillers behind to train us to invest and impart their knowledge in us uh Matt was doing real intensive training and then these guys are going to stick around for the next three months make sure we could bust out you know uh a few Wells and do it the right way and so it's so cool they came and stayed with us and so cool to see that they've gone through all that where one of the guys it was probably every other night or every three nights he's waking up in night terrors where he is just screaming and I I had never been around that

108:37before um but the things he saw the things he's been through are just so tough but then to see he chose that he's going to take a different path he's going to he's gonna he's gonna find something that he can help people with and then he's going to give it to others in a different country in Congo so they came and lived with the pygmies for three years or three months it was awesome now uh Ben and a couple of our other Drillers are in Cameroon um and I I kind of had this thing that I haven't really spoken out but I would love to see the pygmies in Congo all have water but then after that you know the other pygmies are suffering in very similar ways to the pygmies in Congo and so what's so cool is that okay the young men Drillers comes out invests in US pours their hearts and lives they almost die died coming to us their car flipped ran over a lady a taxi driver

109:27was driving he ran away she died um oh they uh they ran over a lady no they didn't the cab driver did the cab driver did and he bailed he he was from Congo and they were from Uganda and at the border they had to get in with a congales taxi driver well they do that and they couldn't even speak the same language and he gets in a wreck he knows Congo he does that drive all the time to the border and so he just bails and literally the people in place called nyoka which means uh snake um it was a place of a rebel group that used to be there and everything and so was a very very bad uh part of town There's gold mines on both sides of them luckily this lady took them in and held them in there and and called uh the military because people literally had and at whenever the not the military but the cops and it was just a little Shack I mean it was were people going to kill them because they

110:16thought that she killed they killed the woman yes and it and there it doesn't matter if you know you're guilty and questions later and uh um someone it's mob Justice someone's got to pay if this person was just hurt somebody even if you weren't driving even if you were one of our guys was thrown from the vehicle of the car when it rolled um and running away fearing for their lives they had uh I think $15,000 of well drilling equipment in the trunk plus they had a uh a solar uh pump um solar filter and it did like 400 gallons of water a day um and or 400 liters 100 gallons and um anyways they loot it they I think they set the car on fire I know they looted it but then at the police station Little Shack people outside had machetes uh literal torches um like those hes that uh for farming and what else they have oh tires they were going to put tires around them and set them on fire oh God

111:13and so luckily um man I I yeah very luckily it was a miracle that uh that Papaw is such a great uh like I don't know he's a peacekeeper like he can go somewhere and talk with anyone that's having to dispute and bring him to some sort of agreement and uh he was able to go out there on behalf of our Uganda guys doesn't even really know him yet gets them out and while they're leaving papa is really respected because of uh you know he he's actually helping people in their country like people know him when he's walking around because he's like oh those are the that's the crew that's actually putting what they're learning into action and so he went up there and as they were getting ready to leave someone came up to him and whispered to him and says uh we know where all your stuff is um and he's like what like everything that was stolen um he's like I I think it was

112:02something like he said it to him there or later why they didn't keep it and why they gave it back but whenever they got there it was uh the case they had broken the lock opened it up and uh what was it oh Whenever there they opened up that solar pump it's got these two different uh oh man I'm losing my words but uh canisters on it and it and they left it because they thought it was a bomb Oh God and so they left that in all our well dring equipment and we were able to reclaim everything get them to us they lived with us for 3 months then uh there are supply chain from Uganda to Congo and I'll wrap this up where it's so cool to see where now um no joke the guys that came out to learn from Cameroon that work with the pygmies in Cameroon are named uh Willie and turbo those they their names from Cameroon and uh actually that that uh that big heavyweight um what is his name he's in

112:57the UFC now uh Francis and yeah Francis yeah now he's him and Czech Congo both um Czech Congo is from Congo I believe I'm not sure which one he is from but huge yeah dude he is huge Beast just he's a scary guy man yeah and both those guys ended up in France because um they're frenchspeaking countries um both Congo and Cameroon and so it's just cool to see how how the trickle effect comes from these guys that are lucky to be alive then from growing up then they're lucky to be alive coming to help us then they decide to stay in the country that they were almost murdered in for an extra 3 months so that we get it down to where we really know what we're doing then they can go back and we have this great relationship but now another can come and learn from us and now we're sending our team out to different parts of the continent to Rwanda to Kenya to Cameroon to

113:53um I think Rwanda Uganda and and training up these other teams of that are wanting they have a desire to uh to do the same thing that's such a crazy story man they're so lucky they'll stick them in tires and light them on fire yeah I saw a guy beat Ben and I both saw a guy beat to death um uh because they called him a thief and then rumors were that uh we were kind of far away I tried to get up kind of kind of too scary close B to literally pull my shirt away cuz I'm seeing this I don't know who he is and he's getting beat and kicked and all this other stuff but Ben's like f we got to go we got to go and so he pulled me away and then when we came back later I couldn't even bend my body like that like it's like a contortionist kind of thing where he's like bent up like a pretzel and just laying there and um supposedly the rumor was that just some drunk guys started a rumor called him a

114:48thief or called him a thief and when someone says Thief they they pounce on on the and so I sometimes it's really a thief or whatever but um then other times it's some innocent guy and you know it can crazy stuff can happen yeah I can only imagine yeah and uh but it's you've seen some dude man it's been uh it's been different but I wouldn't change it it's it's beyond it literally is is wild like I I couldn't I couldn't uh I couldn't have dreamed it up for myself and what's what's kind of funny is um I I think not funny it's actually uh have you ever heard of I think it's a book called what they don't teach you at Harvard or what they don't teach you at Harvard Business or something like that no I think the author's name is Mark um well he did something pretty incredible and um I heard I heard about it when I was in high school but Kenny Monday um which he

115:46got the came full circle he coached me in high school then for my comeback fight and he coached me a little bit in MMA at the beginning but then for my comeback fight and this last one he was in my corner um but anyways he told me you know hey if you want to wrestle go home write down your goals like write them down and this book talks about how if um they pulled some class some senior class in at Harvard and asked who has goals that are um who who knows their goals and some like 87% didn't know like besides I'll get my college degree from Harvard and then I'll figure it out then they asked who know who who knows your um I think that was 87% of them or something like that and then uh or 83% something and um then it was it was uh 133% or something like that where they had um I'm sorry I'm screwing this up but it was uh they it's an incredible stat it's so 87

116:46or 83% didn't know their goals 13 or 17% did know their goals but they didn't have them written down and and then only 3% of the the class had written concise direct goals of what they wanted to do in their life I think they went back 10 years later and the ones that had goals but didn't have them written down were making twice as much on average than all the other 83 or 87% that didn't have goals and then the people that had written down goals they were making 10 10 times yeah 10 times as all the other 97 combined here it was why 3% of Harvard mbas make 10 times as much as the other 97% combined Harvard NBA program is extremely competitive and today admits approximately 15% of the applicants in the 1960s acceptance rate was about 30% down to 25% in the 1970s fluctuated between 10 and 15% ever since students who make it past the application process are typically

117:39standouts and already fairly Successful by most traditional definitions they have an undergraduates degree typically 3 to 5 years of work experience hold on uh and when considered suitable for acceptance and to the Harvard Business School blah blah blah blah blah so okay so it's explaining about writing your goals down yeah and having a clear Direction makes sense and and um for for me and and seeing that hearing that and then having coach Monday tell me that um honestly wrestling MMA having goal to focus on having a goal to write down um I think that really helped me escape the depression for for a while for few years um because now I found something that I could focus on and I was passionate about I could you know that was my outlet and um but he he also told me went a step further I I don't think I've said this public publicly but um he told me write down be that you

118:38what's your goal I'm like I want to be a state champion and he said okay go home write that down and uh put it somewhere you can see it either on your you know your bathroom mirror or somewhere I put it above my bed um but I didn't never write down state champ wrote down National Champion start working towards it was state champion that year the next and you having a great great training partner and I'm I'm kind of jazzed up that the Olympics is coming up I know some guys that are going Robbie uh Smith he's a heavyweight he was my roommate at the Olympic Training Center and traveled to lagn we wrestled together um in high school and then after and um so I'm pumped about it but see these guys obtaining their goals their dreams um and writing them down well then with Coach Monday he's like hey get some of your favorite wrestling moves some pictures like so you can visualize it

119:24not just see the words but see the actual thing that you want to do like see it and so I went and I put one wrestling move on the left and another on the right and uh and man I just would go to sleep dreaming about it basically and wake up motivated to to attain that goal national champion and having a guy that's lipic gold medalist teaching you the basics like you you'll get good quick that way but um also having the goals like I the first national championship I won um was with the move on the left and the Second National Championship was with the move on the right um and it was just it was nuts to see how all that works out and looking back on this book and seeing like man you got to write down and I I need to update that now I've been working on it and everything else but uh I think a lot of us do yeah I think focusing on one individual goal like that or writing

120:17something down having a very clear thing that you're working towards it takes away a lot of the amb it about that people have about wanting to be successful you know just wanting to be successful just wanting to do well that's not enough you have to have like a real like something that you're looking towards something you're moving and working towards plan and initiative and yeah well that's probably one of the biggest um strengths that our team has has had uh the 18 employees we have um and at Water 4 we write down what we want to do and it's so cool when I came on the show the first time um I had gone and i' had only experienced the terrible stuff like nothing good had happened yet um only corruption and me holding the little guy that died and and all this just brutal stuff um but it came back and like finally was like okay I can't say no anymore I got to do something and so

121:13let's just write it down and do it and start speaking about it and throwing it out there um and then to see the other team like they're coming in with uh with the real like here's the big Vision stuff but here's filling in all the details how we're going to get it done and man my my first time to write things down was one water well on 300 acres of land and maybe we could build a school and get a teacher and they would help them with education because the pigies don't have any representation in the government because nobody is educated and that's their excuse at least in Congo um what a he and so I was like school that' be great one water well and 300 acres and now it's by end of this year it'll be 3,000 Acres of landc that they literally own it'll be 10 times more 45 Wells 45 Wells that's amazing employees um we've got three working Farms right now over how long how many

122:05years you been doing this now uh five um that's pretty incredible over five for sure that's an incredible commitment well thanks it it's been a yeah it's been an awesome watch even even like being able to go back and at all these pictures show you but uh leom growing papaya trees and standing in front of banana trees and um all the different stuff and and they're growing with the water that they're getting from the wells well it's the rainforest and everything so it's it's pretty yeah you can spit a seed on the ground and it's going to it's going to sprout up something in the rain forest well that's great too are you bringing seeds over there for these people and is that a big part they they have they have pretty good seeds um there and uh a lot of those trees were doing seedlings and they take they know how to garden and farm and all that stuff yeah especially

122:51at university cuz they have a whole agriculture Department that teams up with the Community Development Department so they come and teach the pigmies how to do it mhm yeah they come in and teach them and then uh they start learning how to do it for themselves and this was okay I think I can tell you two moments real quick where going back and seeing leomay and walking in and seeing all those banana trees blew me away and then now there it's just so cool cuz I was leaving and there's a little guy named jippy and I've seen him grow up I've watched him grow up and I I saw whenever his his water source was absolutely disgusting like you could not ever imagine a human being drinking drinking it and uh that was their that was their water source where they got water what it's uh this little stagnant Pond kind of thing with all this Moss over it that's a pond yeah now what's so

123:49cool is this picture green yeah doesn't look like water at all there's definitely it's a big thick thing so they'll get a stick and they'll push all did you send this to Jamie this photo that's what I I had and then it all lost um on the on the screen oh do you the man oh what the the people could see oh oh I see oh how's that working that's ridiculous what what is it what what is wrong with the uh connection to you it didn't uh I don't have that photo oh no he doesn't have the photo cuz everything like crashed on me I had dude I I didn't even sleep last night at all zero because I was trying to send videos uh to water 4 um an update video and it was at my hotel it was it's a little roach motel but it it took like two hours to send one video and then I have to do another another oh Jesus and then all of a sudden it uh it just I lost the PowerPoint it went back to well speaking

124:39of videos let's watch the video that you said Bellator did for you yeah yeah that'd be great let's watch that I want to see that what is this what I'm looking at right here that's uh where where we drilled one of the new wells what is those things in their hands uh Jerry cans they're filling oh oh I see okay yeah in fact um okay so let's play this foundations Justin Ren versus Josh burns the story of that fight was the time off of a very talented fighter it been away from the sport for years one of those guys when he was active when he was at his Peak was considered one of the prospects in the heavyweight division talented wrestler aggressive well-rounded well coached but the time off the ring rust the time away from the sport against Josh Burns a guy who traditionally wasn't a very fast starter we thought he'd have time to warm up and he didn't Burns came right after him a guy I think

125:40was trying to take advantage of the fact that Ren had been off for so long Ren handled it extremely well Ren had been away from a long time so you could see the surprise you could see the fatigue you could could see the questioning of himself you could see those times when things started working out and it started coming back to him there's the story of all his time off was on his face and was in his performance big left that's a guy making up for time off in one fight what's easy to forget with Justin Ren's story with him helping out the pygmies with all he's done socially with all he's done politically for that tribe they can't go in there with him and the pressure of having a big story on your shoulders everybody rooting for you everybody reading your book that's not an easy thing to carry into a fight everybody talks about how great the story is and

126:32what it does for a fighter and what it does for their career it's also a gigantic burden you're not just fighting for yourself anymore you're fighting for everyone who looks up to you winning that night was a big deal for him people don't understand what he was carrying he was carrying ring rust and he was carrying the hopes and dreams of everybody was fighting for and he managed it could you go back to 127 real quick and pause it just one 1 minute 27 seconds cuz I just uh that's not easy it's great it's right there so uh the girls on the left through the cage this is the only time this ever happened that's my wife this is her first fight of mine to ever go to or see and we've been together for four or five years and um it's so funny cuz I I was throwing the knees right here and this is this is the ring R Dominic Cruz can say it's uh it's there's not ring rust he's just way

127:27too mentally tough and uh and stubborn and he's a way awesome competitor but uh dude I well one I didn't train like I really should have yeah I'm sure that had a big factor yeah and two it was uh man but one of the Ring rust kind of things was um I could hear the commentators and I could um I I looked out first person I see is my wife and I see her make eye contact with her like we stared into each other's eyes and I know this is going to sound goofy but uh uh she had a new outfit on and I'm just like she's beautiful and then all a sudden I see her and she's like go and I like I'm gonna fight and he's like punching me and I'm just like a crap so uh no and and actually right there was the closest part where I almost finished him there with some some knees or could have should have would have and um and then I stop look out at my wife see her and Grace which she came to Congo with

128:19us too and uh I see them and I'm like what am I doing after the fight I instantly thought what was I doing in the fight looking out seeing my wife and thinking she's beautiful so uh I I don't know why I brought that up except for this really yeah man it was it was unique and um wow it was a it was a blessing and and that video actually was uh I'm I'm glad to show it because of that but then um I meant to show you the the one that came first which um we don't we don't need to play that but what happened for the first fight back just kind of nut that um those guy the guy surprised me and called me in the morning and I was able to see them and they were able to encourage me for the fight and say we know you're fighting for us all that it's really great then Emily sent me a picture of her with it's so awesome her with like 10 or 12 kids around her and they all have the biggest smiles she

129:09says remember um remember who uh you fight for and why you fight and so a lot of pressure it is but at the same time she she's she's so awesome loves me and I I for some reason I like pressure um I like to be under the gun something like that and what's next for you man man I think um I think well I just we just got pretty much settled into Colorado um and joining them and maying up there kind of uh Team takedown was great kind of dissolved and um Team takedown dissolved uh yes sort of yeah yeah when Johnny Hendrick left is that what happened he's not on there right but once he left yeah the uh coaches are gone um that came in from out of state team take down was a weird situation right it was like some wealthy guy was financing the entire thing right one and he's a he's a he's a great dude and then uh and then he brought in a a bunch of other people but

130:08I think I think for them it was just uh I I don't know I think they they might have got burned well they had a deal right where they would pay guys a salary and then salary car your rent your groceries your when you won you were supposed to give them a percentage of your winnings I think it was 50% 50 50% but you get your house payment your car your insurance and health insurance you get your groceries that's great until fighter started making 10 million bucks and then they're like what yeah yeah that's very true because if you're they're only spending 50 or 70 years well who agreed to that did Johnny Hendricks agree to that yeah so he was giving 50% of his purse yeah I think most every team takedown guy was Johnny might have been a little I think his might have been a little different than everybody El seem like a crazy deal and um how much were they paying them I love

130:54I love all the guys they're they're awesome dudes uh I'm I wouldn't even want to quote it but I know I I don't know over 50 maybe under 100 but a year yeah huh but uh well that's a good investment if you get five million bucks back that's that's true and but it was I guess it didn't work out cuz when Johnny started making real money that's when he is that when he left or was there other issues yeah I think it it was it was that and then I think uh I think internally there was some some budding of heads between a few different people between may maybe coaches maybe management maybe Fighters too and um so now you're in Colorado now I'm in Colorado Cuz and where are you training in Colorado uh well I'll be my home gym will be Grudge Training Center um which is actually pretty cool there's a instructor named Drew that's pretty great uh came in he opened I think he

131:44opened up maybe I'm wrong on that one but 10th Planet uh Jiu-Jitsu and I think Boulder but now he has has one in narvada which is inside of Grudge and so now we got a 10th planet in there and he's he's actually showing some slick Dar jokes and uh and yeah head arms and some stuff does Bellator have a fight lined up for you maybe um maybe November December we're we're looking at that and the thing that I want to do is get in a real I haven't given myself time to settle to really train to really focus and I know that now um it's a time crunch you know I'm 29 I know that the youngest heavyweight I think is still JDs and Junior do Santos in uh in the top 10 he's 32 I mean Barnett's I think 38 and Brock to mature later is 42 well Brock is pretty much done now I think I think that last positive test he did two positive tests in a row yeah he got one before the fight one after the fight

132:45it's most likely one and done yeah yeah um so I I got I got some time about going to the UFC are you so you have this Bellator deal is are you enjoying competing for Bellator I I have thoroughly um appreciated how how they've been treating me uh they've been but you're mentioning all these MMA fighters from the UFC so are you are you thinking about going over there is that what's going on or uh I mean I I would never be against that because I love the UFC love MMA and that's a big big platform how long is your deal at Bellator for I have two more fights and um so I'll I'll I'll fight two more and for me I mean reason we're in Colorado First is I'm W to get my wrestling back because I'm pretty disappointed with my first two honestly winning this was the first two times winning felt really good because I did it I didn't do it for me right but then at the same time right

133:42away the competitor comes in and it's like you messed up here here here here here and I think pretty much every guy taking the ground finished it's like why am I trying to outbox the Box whenever I need to I need to wrestle I need to take them down is it difficult for you to balance the Two Worlds because you know you have one that demands incredible attention your your fighting career demands incredible attention and then you have the other that also demands incredible attention you you have an amazing commitment to these pygmy people and uh this incredible passion and love for it but then you also have you're you're in the D most dangerous combat sport in the world I mean it it requ massive attention like we were talking about Francis G like if you're going to fight Francis G you got to bat down the hatchet you got to be in incredible shape yep and for being

134:32consistent and uh dedicated and no excuses and um that's that's what left a pretty sour taste in my mouth after these last two fights because I knew I I hate doing that like uh rushing it or getting in whenever I'm not prepared and um are you training at all when you're in the Congo and how often are you in the Congo uh now I'm now I'm going to start going back just after every fight when I fight go back for couple weeks um I tried to be real safe this time I took my own food um like all of it like a entire check bag was just kind bars and laara bars and all these different green smoothies and different stuff so I was I was I wasn't even eating any food there still got sick and so had malaria then after that I I got shingles um which is crazy um it was completely across my forehead and over here so that was like the middle of the trip coming back at right isn't that like kind of a herpes

135:28uh yeah I believe so but it's chick it's the adult form of the chickenpox and it's uh it's brutal like it was it was a different pain than I've ever felt cuz it's a nerve pain and I was out in the forest and there was a couple two three days where we were there you know for the documentary for the water wells everything else and we got a team that came and so we got to we got to get it done so I kind of stayed back a couple days but then while we're out there and different stuff like a a rebel group actually came like I believe it was 3 miles from us and only about a mile away from our truck and so I'm sick I can't get back to the hospital that I just came out of from getting treatment for malaria to get treatment for shingles um and then uh so that was tough but for me to answer your question like I I want to be I want to be realistic but at the same time a quote

136:23my mom taught me I I forget who it was but she says something like uh um an optimist is someone who goes after Moby Dick In a rowboat and takes the tartar sauce with them and uh so an Optimus goes after Moby Dick In a rowboat and takes the tartar sauce with him so for me I want to be I want to swing for the fences make the biggest impact possible but at the same time like we we're restructuring stuff we had meetings at Water 4 and I think just getting everyone on the same page well me too because I was spring myself too thin the biggest thing possible is the UFC heavyweight championship yeah without a doubt maybe first Bellator then UFC yeah is that a thought that you have in your mind with well yeah we'll be on one of those goals okay at UFC 200 uh this could sound goofy to anybody else I think a lot of athletes would probably get it some might not um but

137:19you know I I bought it UFC replica belt because uh I want to I'm not g to hang it or anything but I want to have times where I set that down on a table or a desk and look at it think about it dream about it um and know that before I go out the door training um you know that's that's a goal of mine you know if I could get there then I know this fight for the Forgotten can be set up for you know the maybe the rest of of my life there you know it could keep going on and on further than it would if I didn't realistically to try to attain that sort of a goal like it's going to require more than just staring at a belt or writing something down you're going to you're going to need to go on a rampage yeah we've we've uh We've surrounded well water Forest surrounded fight for the Forgotten with like a team of like eight people from media to my sports agent to lawyers and I mean just uh all

138:11these all these people are incredible and I'm sitting in the room with them at a conference table like this and I'm like like what am I doing in a room with these incredible people people um all yeah they're all focused on me and them and the story and like look how I don't know if you'd call it raw or Pure or like like and they're getting behind it which has been incredible but then they've just overwhelmed me saying we want to free you up in a way we were kind of talking a little earlier I was alluding to it but um you know I really got to readjust everything in my life of how I'm training because well now that I'm getting settled into Denver um I I'll go up to Denver 1 to three times a week and then I'll also be going to the Olympic Training Center I've been talking with Brandon slay the old freestyle coach which he actually just moved to Penn State um but uh talking

139:00with uh and I have access there at the Olympic Training Center and about hopefully I can get in touch with Matt lenland he's the new head coach for the Greco team there um but with uh have you ever heard of Adam wheeler Adam wheeler is an absolute beast and I wonder if I have that video in there but uh there's one if you just search Adam wheeler on YouTube it should be called iso pure but this dude is an Olympic bronze medalist and uh black belt and Jiu-Jitsu and he won nogee worlds um heavyweight and so he's a beast just an absolute monster and so uh I was helping him train before the 2008 Olympics and stuff and um it it's pretty great oh here it is this guy's a beast we're not hearing anything Jamie I never actually got into wrestling till I was in high school there was a point when I started getting in a little bit of trouble and just hanging out with the wrong

139:54crowd my wrestling coach he's the one that kind of put me back on the right track he taught me what work ethic was I try to be the guy who motivates people pushes people the most pure moment of my athletic career is 100% the Olympics even though I didn't win I still was on that Podium representing my country for the sport that I put so many hours into that feeling is undescribable and the point is this is a guy you're you're working with or something yeah and sorry I probably should have set that up a little better but this guy is an absolute monster and we've we're we're we're getting together and starting to we're going to start working out and um he's that Prime jiujitsu now in Colorado Springs but they cross train with Easton and anyways the thing I'm all over the place but he is the only guy at the O Training Center we're all jumping uh doing squat jumps uh row by

140:47row up these bleachers and I promise he's ski skipping one at least and sometimes two and he's just he's just flying up there people be halfway 3/4 the way this guy's 6'4 235 PBS solid muscle freakish athlete and uh he's just so there is a training partner for yeah training partner so I guess what I was trying to allude to is man I I feel like how water Forest surround me with such an incredible team to achieve success that we want to fight for the Forgotten and now I'm really trying to do that with uh with fighting because if I don't then I'm going to fail and I'll be wasting time but if I cuz this isn't a it's not a it's not patty cake right I mean we're we're going in there and we're throwing down and I've got to have my my head on straight yeah as you move up in competition for sure without a doubt I mean when you're you're looking at the competition you faced in Bellator

141:38it's there it's good steps it's tough guys to to fight against they're they're good steps but if you for the timing of everything yeah yeah if I Ian it's yeah it's not it's not I guess uh swinging for the fences or taking the tartar sauce with me if I see that uh that it's not going to happen then you know I I'll I I hate saying that because I would I I want to fight so bad but fight for the Forgotten is more important in a way but man I think it's possible I really do and I think I think it's possible to be I think You' also brought a lot of people in to help you with fight for the forgotten that can sort of pick up the slack as well and you've started a movement I mean there's a lot going on here besides just your involvement you started this movement and being involved with water for and and writing the book and letting people know about on these podcasts and and educating people to

142:33what your goal is and what what you've been able to accomplish over there you started a movement so I think man I mean if you really can do it it would be absolutely incredible and it certainly would shine even more light if you could really become successful as an MMA fighter from here on out right I I agree with that with but it's going to require everything oh it requires everything and I I feel like there's there's two parts of this where um man the the fight for the Forgotten guy in me wants to be uh wants to be humble and and everything else say you know it's not going to happen unless I do all the right things which is the same on the other side of the coin but I'm uh at the same time I feel like if if I can just get the time I haven't been getting the time uh to train and um one of the things that well you have to make the time yeah we have to make the time and it's got to be the

143:27priority and it's I don't think I it can't be some sort six to eight hours I mean like six whenever I was telling uh the guys at Water 4 um and it's just because they don't know they've been incredibly supportive but whenever I broke it down like when's your training schedule what time do you train a day I mean they know some NFL guys and stuff like that that might train once a day for four or five times times a week or or maybe twice a day but with MMA it's just so different that they're like oh wow so that's why they've rallied around me and I think that through that it's going to free me up to really go to all the right places get up to Grudge for my strik and get to the Olympic Training Center for my wrestling get around these black belts and World Champs in Jiu-Jitsu get around the 10th Planet guys get around this so that we can we can take this the farthest that we can

144:14beautiful yeah all right man well listen um again one more time for people at home fight for the forgotten. org fight for the forgotten. comom uh what is your the big pygmy on on Twitter on Twitter and uh Instagram it's the big pygmy translate it's mati MBO there go yeah so it's the big pygmy fight for the forgot or oh this is something that that I just found out at water for is that man $25 some of the people have been so generous some of the donors have given a full water well but even just $25 a month if that's possible uh it gives water to 15 people per year if you do it the next year it's another 15 people can save their lives save kids' lives and so um I just know it's being used the right way and uh passionate about it seeing it in action so you're a beautiful soul Justin Ren you really are man what you're doing is absolutely amazing and I'm so happy that

145:09we can help you out in any way so thank you very much for coming on again and uh let's do this again brother yeah love you man thank you so much you got the best community best fans man well I'm I'm honored and I'm I'm honored to be able to help you tell your story it's powerful thank you so much thank you my brother all right folks we'll be back tomorrow with Duncan Trussel see you that's going to be a great one