Tait Fletcher & Andy Stumpf

00:00gentleman Tate Fletcher and Andy stump otherwise known as Andy stump 77 was was 76 75 74 all taken or was that your birth date I'm the only person on Twitter who put the year of my birth after their name it's pretty it's pretty fancy but some guys just go with 69 that's standard I would bet if you search for that it's the first time I got a AOL account it was uh spikeman 69 and it was a it was it was a guy I was living with at the time he's like well I've got this account and I'm like Spike I'm like what is this all about and I I guess he likes chat rooms and stuff so that was it for a while until I was like I had to send a legitimate email and I'm like this can't be what I'm doing do business I I smartly went to rather choke you out which looked even and when I got into film stuff it looked super weird cuz you have to send that to makeup like like wardrobe and everybody

00:52and then it it was and it was early in grappling so people didn't know really about fighting so you're a sex freak that just likes to choke people you know what I mean I was like okay and then I got it say that it would be a sex freak not a violent person that just shows you the circles you're traveling in that's how thinking sexual at all I'm looking over at Tate who's like 300 lb of ripped steel I'm like sex freak very few people associate choking with sex dude listen if you're sending it to a wardrobe Lady it's way better to have her think of you okay in this way than that way though right I prefer that so I just gave you know that kind of a energy to it put that Vibe out but then you put that Vibe out anyway thanks sex freak yeah why not crazy what's wrong with being a sex freak you know like being a food freak how come being a food freak's okay but being a sex freak is a

01:44problem it's true I mean because the Puritans they can justify food more and then people get mad if you're if you're sexually free nobody's happy about that people get all weird about that man you know um I've had Dr Chris Ryan on a bunch of times he's that guy that wrote I like him so much that book man he's fantastic yeah he's amazing his his book's Fant he's just a cool dude too but we always wind up talking about like this weird thing that people have with people that enjoy pleasure like certain pleasure you're allowed to enjoy like you're allowed to go get a massage and go a the best massage ah this lady she knew how to dig in there and but you know if you say that about getting your dick sucked right you're some sort of a piece of something wrong with you Andy watching this you had him on out too long ago you're talking a whole time yeah I've had him on

02:30interesting he's he's another guy that confirms uh everything that i' heard about Spain like that that's the joint if you were going to move some if you could only live in one place that that place is fantastic yeah he loves it there man and he's been everywhere I mean when I met him he was living in V Vancouver and he was in he's in Portland now and then he moved to LA for a bit but he's been everywhere and he just says Barcelona's the spot that's dope but he knows how to live man that dude knows how to chill well and he's free he's he's free of the constraints of of of social norms affecting him and him caring too much about what anybody thinks he's probably outlived his parents and whomever that he might have been like e I'm a little embarrassed if they know I had a threesome or whatever you know what I mean I mean people Liv under bondage of other people's opinions

03:15he can just go on blast cuz he's exactly his jar of is just empty he's done some gay stuff he doesn't care he's like yeah whatever I took you guys dick or whatever I'm not saying he did I'm just saying what the bro I didn't know he did some gay stuff he's on that mic m I just do it doesn't even it doesn't it's fine I really should clean these it's one thing that I do not like about these sponges I keep thinking I'm using the same sponge all the time I'm spitting into this thing but there's a certain amount of that comes out of your mouth no matter what you do especially like how much Joey Diaz has probably put a pint or two into that that particular had to dry out yeah but we don't do any I think there's like a way to deal with this and we're not doing it we're not D at least for Breeze it or something Jamie was telling me that he he replaces him all the time he's got a

04:06box over they don't even come off they don't even come off these things on these Shores this is like a I made it up I made it up they probably have a replacement right yeah there's other sponges we can get there's also cleaner I think we can get for it stop it you can't clean can't clean this take you know what they use to clean stuff they use sponges do you know what you used to clean the sponge the garbage that's it yeah yeah I mean it is a sponge I mean that's what these things are these are sponges that's the end game for cleaning yeah I think with a guy like Chris Ryan another part of it is that he's like he celebrated for his open-mindedness so it's like it's not just something that he has to he doesn't have to hide anymore it's something that he Embraces because other people go thank you finally finally the voice of reason everybody agrees with it to that extent

04:53to to a certain extent it's kind of like being a fighter I think in a way is where people are looking that they're like I would have liked to have taken that chance I would or whenever you're doing anything that people are like reticent to jump into and they go man I would have liked to join the seals I would have lik to have done whatever the thing is and the window closed or whatever happened they didn't have the courage to pull the trigger on it but then they see a guy like that and they're like he's expressing and manifesting in a way that I would like to be able to do but I just can't do it I'm caught up in all this other stuff yeah people get stuck they get stuck in who they are and you know they have these ideas of what they would like to be and they just never they just never get after it they just never never hit the gas they just never get out of their

05:31Lane they never it's it's a big problem with people huge about Freedom Man People Are People don't there's a great argument to be made that people don't want to be free you know we talk a lot about freedom but like to have handcuffs on they like to have a wife that's basically like a game warden you know that tells them what they can bag and when they can come home and you know what up it's night time put the guns away I mean most people most people to be free would rather be polyamorous or something like that for sure like that's just how that's how we live comfortably but they don't want their wife to do it but they don't want anybody to be hurt they want else yeah they don't want anybody getting feelings hurt MH there's a lot that's the downside people's feelings that's it that's what we walk around really you know if you're conscious there's a guys that don't give a but yeah and then

06:17there's also people that hold you captive with their feelings cuz they're so Ultra sensitive you say bye-bye such train it's hilarious a guy like you before this podcast you're talking about Tate fighting like like I would never do that never do that but how could you say that when you were a seal I mean you you were involved in gunfights you're in Seal Team can I tell you the starkest thing that he said what he go he's talking about he's talking with his buddy John wellborne and then um with this guy that's a I don't know if he's a SWAT team leader but he's on the Santa SWAT team right and and he's like he and and Scott um goes yeah you know uh and he's the SWAT team guy he's like you know shooting my MP5 or something like that and he looks over like disgusted like yeah Vietnam called they want their gun what are you doing what what is that for and he's and he's

07:06like well no like target shooting he says oh okay fine he says cuz I was walking and I hit a guy five times in the chest with that and he didn't even really fall down he went into the other room and everything he's like that and that's unacceptable as a weapon you like so the only way I'm like and I'm looking at this I'm like the only way he sees weapons is worthwhile is their stopping power of a human and then he's like you really got to hit a guy just just under the eyes and just above the teeth and when you said above the teeth I was like that's that's some Next Level it's a good reference point right I'll never forget up a little bit the MP5 I didn't say I shot anybody with the MP5 cuz like I said I trained on him in the 90s and then realized that you know the turn of the century came so we can put the muskets and the mp5s away wow and pick up some other fire I have never known i'

07:51have never known catapults still have stopping power that's true they do can't dial in super good bring them back I mean can you imagine if some shot a catapult of me I'd be like I'm out yeah you're you're going to live another day like a flamethrower if you have a flamethrower you win I like I'm not going to go into that especially when you were in the 90s and all the hairspray and everything you could you could that stop yeah all my money went into beauty products which most of it still does obviously one of the darkest things I ever heard about Warfare was in the Dan Carlin hardcore history series about the Mongols where they talked about Mongols ligh lighting bodies on fire and launching them with catap PS onto the rooftops of these buildings cuz they had thatched roofs and human bodies they get they're fatty you know and they light on fire good and they stay lit and they takes a bit

08:40but says a guy yeah this is great yeah so I heard it on a podcast and then I had a guy sitting next to me that also had experience allegedly allegedly you need accelerate but I mean but think about it think about the the impact that that would have being on the receiving end you're like you win like you know if you want to all of a sudden your dad comes through the roof I mean I'm not going to say there's an argument to be made for doing that but what if you could do that once and not have to fight two more battles because the people you want to fight against see that and they're like nope check you win that's the ethical argument for being ruthless right the ethical argument is if you could be ruthless in a in a short amount of time and just absolutely stop all the that you will actually save lives yeah you'll mitigate the loss yeah look at the atomic bomb right I mean

09:29that was theory behind that we're just going to turn so many people into glass that your country is going to want to back away before it happens again didn't they kill as many people with those atomic bombs they did in like years of like traditional Warfare for sure and then I read something too that Japan had already been orchestrating a piece and a settle of that and they're like we're already out in line with these we got to try them out like like little kids giddy for their Christmas present they wanted to see what would happen knowing what I know about the US military I would say there's likely some shreds of Truth to that I was talking to a friend of mine and he was saying also he says they want an elongated War they don't want he's like he was a like a for Recon guy and he said we'd go in and he says for example there's a house of bad guys we know the bad guys are there but we get

10:13stand down just relax and then I said why and he said modern day yeah he said because they wanted to go out longer and so then they'd send the regular Marines around until they'd get blown up on the road and then they'd blow up another one and they'd stretch it out for as long as they could get public opinion of of deaths and this and before they would send guys in and and he said that dates back though to Vietnam he said there's a hill that's a famous Hill I forget the name of it that they retook 15 times oh yeah there's actually I think a couple of those they made a movie out of one uh pissed I can't think of the name it's like 607 or something like that Hamburger Hill might have actually been the movie but yeah I don't know man that that once you get war going man that's big money and I mean now that we have a boogeyman of terrorists you can say that to about

10:53anything really yeah when you have the word terrorists that's that's an open-ended thing because it's not like there's a country with a leader and you take over the leader and that's it you're done and then I have to trust your as a citizen of the government it takes the expiration date off because then it's like well I don't know you know how long are we going to be there what if they move because then you know what I mean it becomes a chess game but you're not on a board anymore or the board just exponentially increased so how frustrating is that as a soldier I mean that's got to be this it seems to me that like as a soldier you would want an obvious opponent where once it's defeated you're done you have an objective the objective is everybody can go home like remember that World War II photo of the soldier that's kissing the girl was it a sailor he kissing the girl

11:36the middle of the street and everybody's like yes it's over our generation has been denied that we denied that in Desert Storm it sort of happened because it happened it was like so quick it was just boom boom boom boom boom and it gave everybody this idea like well the way we do War today is was not that big a deal we lose a couple of people but basically we just go in there we everything up real quick and everybody quits no not anymore now that after that time it became this very murky thing it's not going to war with Iraq or going to war with any country it's going to war with ISIS and they're all over the place they're these these boogey men man before that alqaeda and then before that Syria and then and it's the the whole thing becomes a like a subterfuge and going well now we need to be intrinsically Laden into these different governments because they could be

12:24they're a little bit in France and they're a little bit in Saudi Arabia and and then the military industrial complex just grows and grows and grows and I think I had the benefit though like to answer your question because like I I can't even describe the amount of respect that I have for like conventional forces and the that is forced upon them given their job description I we could spend hours talking about just like being in an impossible situation and given horrible decisions to make not necessarily horrible decisions but they're they're trained to the best of the ability that they can but there's no time or money or equipment to continue sharpening the blade right so they they're large mechanized units or they got to walk around and they're go they're told to go own battles space what you know and some of the battle space is passive and some of it's aggressive and it's just it's a

13:10job where the local people don't want you to be there you probably don't want to be there it's super kinetic and they have to live there you know and they to them I don't know how you define Victory to those forces for us I think we had a little bit of a benefit and it was less frustrating because it was targeted I mean we would have a list a Target list where where you know uh like in Iraq in 2005 that we were on full like vampire schedule I'd sleep all day long get up right before the sun went down go hit a workout hit dinner and i' just go sit down in the office and you know the cell phone network would crack on and it just who you want to go for just rack and stack them so how does that work like when you say the cell phone network would go on yeah you know uh a lot of the stuff a lot of the targeting that we' do would be electronic based you know it's it's no secr metadata like

14:00knowing where the phones are knowing where they had something the ability to triangulate their location it's the same way that your iPhone works you know what I mean you can if you turn on people who think that if you're carrying around an electronic device and there's not a way to track it like this is so open source too I mean it's yeah believe me conspiracy theorists could go nuts with this but well Budd of mine his wife tracked him with a find my phone totally I mean what's what and what's the difference right it's going off the same thing the phone is communicating with other satellite stuff so some phones would become active other phones wouldn't you know you could look at the the lines of warfare that we were trying to go down and the things that we were trying to affect and we're like cool that guy's number one on the list let's roll and for us when we roll now when

14:43you decide who's number one on the list is that you guys as a group come together is there a guy telling you that's more like kind of looking at the battlefield and I mean the best analogy I could be with like a tree right so the root of the tree so we'll go even bigger like Bin Laden right like he's right at the base like we're trying to get there but all we can really see is the little branches and all the outlining stuff so we got to work our way back so it' be where they are in relationship to the branches and the leaves like how close can we get because it usually starts with a low-level guy who you can roll up and you know leades to another guy and it's just it's a compounding thing I mean really that is how I'm asking though like as a as a as a team six guy like are you guys is is it coming from on high or are you guys deciding no this is the guy that is closest to our

15:25objectives as a as a country both it could be both a lot of the times uh like the target deck it's you still even overseas you work for like a battles Space Commander and they have objectives that they're trying to get achieved in that battle space so you have to justify what you're going to do against what they're trying to do right now but if there are certain high level individuals like if that individual pops up you're going to stop everything you're doing and you're going to go after them like Z zahiri was one of them in Iraq but you know when we would roll out like sounds like a magician does grades our hearing we'd roll out and I had a football sleeve on like Tom Brady did with a guy's picture with stats you know the picture was completely inaccurate 99% of the time sometimes we didn't have a picture so it would be an empty silhouette darkhaired guy be not

16:09even that it would be a silhouette so I would draw things on it like a mustache or maybe this guy has a goatee I would draw my own little Target picture but so it would have the building it would have known associates so like I I had a much more defined end state so we would go right and maybe he would be there and maybe he wouldn't so it was you know what I mean like at the end of the night you would be able to gauge success or failure to a small degree as opposed to just occupying a battle space is there ever a time when you're uh got a guy and it wasn't that guy like like no that never happens sorry about it yeah you look you look just like the picture that I drew on my arm but you look just like the time to get the donuts guy or they'd be like his name is Abu Smith which like means son of Smith and like everybody's name in the city is a boo Smith so you

16:54roll the dude up and you get back you're like this is not you know these are not the droids that you're looking for all the time but this guy had poor manners that's a big argument for guantan Bay right that guantan bay there's a lot of people over there that were just guilt by association or they went to school in the wrong place or they attended the wrong meetings and they just got Shackled up and put in some orange jumpsuits and stuffed into some holes so what do you do with them now it's a good question especially once you've had them there for 14 years CU they just released a guy CU we can go down the rabbit hole on this one this is a this is a tough portion of the question that I don't think people think about like what do you what do you do with a guy who was Guilty By Association or not but got caught in the net mhm got sent to a place like uh guanto or other detention

17:38facilities around the world became radicalized and you know if you let him out he if he was in this room he would try to kill all three of us right now and you know that but he hasn't actually done anything yet because he was put in there by a not by acccident by association do you let the guy out well it's a it's a well do you I mean it's a very tricky situation depending on what your objectives are are your is your objective Justice or is your objective making sure that you keep people safe Justice yours yeah your let go but you're not in the military let him go Tate and also America's you say let him go though yep if he is innocent for sure we turned everybody saying he was innocent when he got there right for sure we've turned everybody that is in if I'm in wantan Mo Bay for 14 years I'm for sure going to have some feelings when I get you're going to be

18:27totally on the other side but it's not for sure until I do that yeah I mean ethically you have to turn him loose ethically you have to at the very least wait for something bad I'm watching him I might have a sniper attributed to that guy oh stop it for what the 10 yards he walks to a vehicle and then disappears into the network of you know I mean whatever the thing is but the thing is is I can't based on like I I think that he's going to do this like we don't live that way so then say he does so let's say it not a 911 scenario but say he becomes the guy who goes to France and starts hacking dudes with machete and you knowingly let him go because you believe in Justice who's responsible for that happening the guy that hacked him up with the machete but you're the one let him but isn't it but isn't it also the people that turned him into that the really responsible we want

19:13to run it up the top of the chain then it's Dick Cheney then it's guys that put him there it's guys that didn't it's Obama that didn't let him out it's all guys that's a real problem I mean that's been a problem since the beginning of time super it's a rabbit hole man you could go down and around and around well what at the end of the the line it's you guys you guys are the tip of the spear what is the attitude yeah what do you think yeah amongst like SEAL Team Six like how do they feel about these guys that were inaccurately portrayed or inaccurately assessed and then wound up being stuffed into these hell holes for years tortured beaten who knows what the they're doing to those guys down look we know what happened uh with those photos that got leaked for what I mean what the man come on it's just a little naked PID dogs and whatever like like chemical

20:05water boarding and all the stuff they did to those guys I mean we know about all that right so yeah I can only speak for myself you know I can't speak for the military anybody else but you know to me it's a very very simple decision uh I'd kill him you would kill him because you would think that they would go out and I would rather air on the side of killing somebody who hasn't done anything than allow somebody to go out there and perpetuate violence on somebody else straight across the board so you don't think that someone who hasn't done violence who has been locked up against their will you don't think that they deserve a shot you don't think that they deserve like an opportunity to prove that they're not radicalized I think once they're radicalized like that it's you know you just killed Mandela right who's Mandela Nelson Nelson Mandela Gandhi like anybody you know

20:54what I mean it's like those guys also are in that kind of a position it's a good point it it is a good point and like I said I can only speak for myself and this is probably why I'm not in the position of making policy and I don't control Geto but you're also a guy who has to make split-second decisions to save your life and the life of all the people you love and care for CU they're all around you and they're all in in the firefight I've seen what these radical people can do like firsthand like there's what people think that these people will do and then there's the lowest form of gnarly not even the way that the things that they've done against the us but like some of the things that I've seen of how they treat each other in their countries in these super radicalized areas that are hard to get into like I mean it's just I don't even know how to describe it like for

21:35instance give me give me a chaining Mongolian like inbred kids to beds and leaving them in rooms like and just the way that they'll treat women where like I mean like I I entered a room and I didn't even recognize what the the being was and it was chained to a floor in a room that I went into because it was just in in inbred and they'd go in and know they'd smack it around and throw it some food and like if you're willing to do that to a human being like you don't get a second chance for me how often has this taken place I mean how many people are are treating inbreds like this is this like I mean that that's just an easy scenario that I can come back to you know what I mean because that one was like seared into my head I'm just like what in the hell you know what I mean but you know look at what's going on if you're a homosexual over in uh any is contr what they they're

22:26throwing you off a roof yeah top floor and they're chucking people up here's a better one how sex slaves really 12 13y old sex slaves like come on like those are but the only people doing that are the radical ones you know what I mean like I don't have a problem with and Alabama well yeah but here's the thing radicals and Alabama Scar the out of me too I don't mind moderates across the board like you can be a Catholic you can be a Christian I don't care if you're a Muslim and you're praying in the corner I'd prefer you not detonate yourself afterwards right but I'm okay with it so I got to I I want like coming where I come from is like I say what I say but like I'm sure I would have a different view walking in your shoes and but that yeah so it's it's the radicals that once you get to that level first off like if you're weak enough to have your mind changed like that and you

23:15can't stand for the morals that you know to be true like it's it's a problem well there's one thing changed and there's one thing developed in that environment there's a big difference between someone who's changed and another when people people imitate their atmosphere and if that's all you know and that's the world you know and you think that Islam is the truth you think that the Quran is the doctrine that you have to follow and that 72 virgins are waiting you in heaven then sex slaves are permitted then there's all sorts of things that are Halal that you know we would think of as being horrific that are totally permitted it's it's it's it's societal standards and culture is is a big part of this the way people decide what's acceptable what's not acceptable so to these people I think for us growing up in America it's almost impossible to understand what it would be like to be

24:02living in like one of the most radicalized parts of the world understand the radical Behavior which is why I have no problem saying that a guy who went and did nothing but became radicalized like to me that's that's a rote mathematical equation right there like right it's uh you know it's a hard one because you know people still say to this day and age like you know you shouldn't you shouldn't kill right we need to the counterinsurgency strategy is based off winning the hearts of mind of the people that we going into the countries that we're going into and I think the only way that I can describe it that makes sense to people where that might at least allow them to think outside of the education aspect is that and you kind of you you alluded to the point a little bit but I mean you have daughters right do you love your daughters yeah like how much though like

24:48articulate for me how much you love it's impossible for anybody to ever express it in in a way that someone who doesn't have daughters would ever understand or Sons or children totally and and so love is a good analogy because if you can understand how hard it is to articulate that then you understand that there's another side of that coin and that there's a community of people somewhere on Earth that hate you to the exact same degree that you love your children and can't articulate and would do everything they can to end our way of life because we let women go outside uh and have their skin exposed you can say what you want you can think what you want and what's the solution to solve that it's not books there's not a s a single I could I could put you in captivity for 14 years Joe and I could never convince you not to love your daughters right yeah but it's not our it's not our job to

25:40change so what I'm saying is though is that people think that there's that just like oh you don't have to go over there and you don't have to fight well that at some point you have to stand up for what you believe in right and when it comes to those people that hate you as much as you love your kids again there's a small of that that you could probably turn with books in captivity right which is what's happening to the guys who get radicalized in GMO but for the other segment that would like nothing more than to end your life and everything you believe in what's the solution it's not books yeah what is the solution to try to turn a guy around once they've reached that level of radicalization it's you can't so you either have to find something or believe in something to the point that you're willing to fight for it because here's the deal we're X people and then

26:26there's y people and regardless of what your ex's you're Christian catholic whatever you're an ex- person there's somebody who's a y person X and Y people are going to fight if you believe in what you believe enough then to protect that at some point you're going to have to go beyond the educational aspect of that but isn't that only the case in a place like a radicalized part of the world it's not really the case in America in America we have people people are here well they are but what are they doing they're not doing anything you know what I'm saying like and maybe it's out of fear and maybe it's out of being outnumbered maybe it's out of the ideal of the people but in America if you believe some wacky like if you're a Mooney or whatever the you are we're like yeah he's poor bastard he's out there giving money to elron hubard who gives a you know you know what

27:08I'm saying but we let it go if I believe that you're crazy as anything for believing in whatever it is I'm not out there trying to change your mind but if you look in your neighbor's window say if you and you have a daughter if you looked in your neighbor's window you saw your neighbor putting out a bomb vest and uh you know kneeling towards the east and praying and you had a rifle tell me you wouldn't want to put one in his brain right there if you if you knew this guy you got to check the calendar first could be Halloween so let's not jump to conclusions I mean Joe I'm not saying murder Jesus you're right you need you need to come back off the edge I get it's this coffee it's this caveman coffee easy it's very very excitable and I'm say and again this is a rabbit hole topic too Rabbit Hole you can go round and round and round because people just don't want to say yes you

27:52should kill that person and and I get that I feel like you should I I don't I'm not I have zero problems with with with ending people like that like but draw the line end like people like that because because you can talk all kinds of to me you can yell at me you can do all kinds of stuff to me until you come and you grab my girlfriend or or shove my mom or something like that you're safe yeah as soon as you cross a line you're yeah but don't well but when you hear someone talking crazy though you escalate and you put it in them in a category like oh you you might be a problem you know now when you have a whole country filled of you might be a problem that's when things get real weird right but then the problem is how do they get to be that and that's one of the big issues with the United States foreign policy military intervention military-industrial complex that keeps

28:39with all these different parts of the world and puts good soldiers and good people in Jeopardy look I and for that you'll get you'll never get an argument for me you'd be amazed at how many people in the military don't necessarily agree with the foreign policy of the United States of America that's what I was going to ask oh I know I've talked to them I've had emails from them I mean I've had a million of those guys yeah and think don't get me wrong like it's after I I spent a large majority of my adult life in the military and I disagreed with a large volume of stuff and where I could push back and impact that I did and other times when I couldn't it's like you know what can you do though like say if you're over there and you're always responsible for your personal actions right so you know at the end of the day most people don't know right in Afghanistan up in the konar valley which

29:24is like inaccessible unless you're a reindeer or a ch47 and you can go up there you know like you could ask somebody Hey where's Osama Bin Laden and they'll be like who's AMA Bin Laden right you know what I mean they're so detached yeah so in those environments or anytime that you're actually interfacing with those people or those cultures like they're looking at you as the United States of America sure so I can at least conduct myself in a manner that is commensurate with the moral values that I have regardless of my thoughts about the foreign policy of the company or the country you know that I'm over there to represent company you could say company that's right well don't think there's a lot of money there's a lot believe me there's a lot of money made off the military that's all that we're in war for I mean people think it's to go turn the hearts and and

30:09and plant democracy and all that but it's only for money and de feed the military-industrial complex there's I'll go down the road with you on that a little bit but like not that's not the only reason that who who do you think is culpable for wantan Mo Bay uh terrorist being made I mean who do you think is culpable for going in and attacking Sovereign countries for oil under the opes that we're going to find you know real terror push back on it a little because there are parts of the world where people become a threat and you have to figure out at what point in time do you step in you allow these people to get nuclear weapons and do what we did to Japan do you allow these people to get to look it wouldn't take much I mean one of the things if you read about history is Empires fall all the and they always have and we are an Empire you know it's whether we are a just empire or not is

30:58completely debatable but there's if we fell there would be a vacuum and it would be filled it's a matter of who would fill it and if you can have something like Isis in 2015 if you can have like we saw what happened when Libya was overthrown we saw the te Dynamic chaos that's going on right now in Iraq I mean they're having a Muslim holy war between the Sunni and the Shia right now 2015 ungodly levels that I guarantee you that that the modern day media is like nicking the 1% of the truth on the ground those those guys are insane yeah and that's so this is going on right now and we we assume that because the United States of America is the dominant superpower in the world because we have so much and the way we look at things is different if you walk through the streets of New York and Los Angeles you're relatively safe much more safe than any human being

31:48has ever been in any other time of we assume that this is static this is going to stay this way but not not as Americans we also assume it's like that everywhere else but if yes you're right that's a very good point that's a very good point and that's that's what sort of dictates our ideas about how the rest of the world should and shouldn't behave or how we should and shouldn't interface with the rest of the world but if some went down nuclear bomb gets dropped in Chicago and levels the city uh the infrastructure gets crushed the the power grid goes down for a couple weeks chaos starvation and then an army attacks you know whether it's the Army attacking with drones or satellites who knows what the could happen but a significantly diminished Armed Forces significantly diminished country the whole world could change overnight overnight overnight a natural disaster Yellowstone blows the

32:39whole world changes overnight and we're living like the Mongols I mean that that literally could happen inside of a year inside of a year our whole world could do a total 180 yep so the United States armed forces or any armed forces that is in a position of power that has a a a moral a moral and ethical imperative if they're looking at people like Isis they're looking at regardless of how they were created regardless of whether or not these guys were formed in Guantanamo Bay against their will you got to figure like what what's the end game here and how do we how do we engineer the future but do we have a moral and ethical uh government or or military I mean in in those ways it's like or is it chasing greed I mean at at that at that point I look at it and I go is our best course then to go out and eradicate people people or is it to change our foreign policy and and to not

33:31be kind of um bullish in the world it's a good question but you kind of got to deal with what the table is right now in 201 you can't ignore what's like at your doorstep but I think there's truth to what what do you feel yeah well I'm not in anymore you know uh I I think there's truth to both like like Joe's saying like if if the pizza guys ringing your doorbell you know you might want to go handle that but at the same time you know it you need to go and think about I personally believe you need to think about the things that is causing and shaping the world like let's draw Isis back where did it come from well didn't we build them to fight Syria I wouldn't say we built them to fight Syria but like let's take it back to 911 right like why did we go to Afghanistan in the first place why did we go to Iraq right go to Saudi Arabia the first party was in was in Iraq so as far as

34:24Afghanistan though like you want to talk about something that I think you know they definitely were it was a it was a not a breeding ground but it was a place where people felt safe to go and train to do harm to the United States so going there to push that out of Afghanistan I think was a solid move right right but you know you fast forward 14 years and I think we largely self-created the problem right because we occupied we pushed them out now they're like you know and they learn just like we do like it's amazing game of chess it's just like the only difference is it's like playing chess in a dry machine and it's on so the board's constantly shifting and you got to keep track of all your pieces so we went in and invade we push out uh now they know they're not safe in Afghanistan and they know it's no longer safe to you know cohabitate in one area

35:13so what do they do they disaggregate and then they get Iraq and Afghanistan then they disaggregate you know and all the other areas around the world they start communicating with the internet so we actually made the problem exponentially harder for ourselves with the best of intentions or we have the intention to make it harder for our obviously think you're confustion to do that I think people are opportunists you know this is like the argument about 9911 being an inside job I think it's much much more likely there was incompetence and then that people capitalize on an opportunity to do something they've always wanted to do you know that Afghanistan and you know that Dick Cheney and and Bush had been talking about going into Iraq and trying to form a strategy for going in Iraq for a long time now 911 comes around they're like look we got iton here's our reason

36:01that the idea that that was all orchestrated is a very convoluted idea and I I don't necessarily think the facts support it I think the facts if you look at human history it's way more likely that you're dealing with massive incompetence than you're dealing with a massive conspiracy what do you think about Arab Spring you ever see Wesley Clark General Wesley Clark well I think that's I think he's 100% being honest and accurate about that when he's talking about all the different plans and strategies of invading all these different places but I think that when something like 9/11 comes around it's a green light for these and before this happened I think they were just they just didn't have a real way to do it I think you've got both is what I'm trying to say I think you've got both incompetence and then you've got people like Dick Cheney that are clear chickenhawks and was

36:48I mean you can't be any more transparent than a guy that's running a company that rebuilds after we blow it up and then decides to go blow up I think there's actually a lot of uh supporting documentation to like there being a lot of the the chickenhawk stuff people just standing by like they want to do stuff and they're waiting for the impetus where it's going be the society be like yes they'll be like yes okay you can go do this because and a lot of that stuff and a lot of that you know the the military machine and and once the cart has left the barn it's a tough to get back in the barn so they definitely had plans like there was pre-existing plans for the invasion of Saudi and even for oif you know what I mean it's it definitely existed what o operation Iraqi Freedom OE f is Afghanistan they since changed the names to I don't know what it is but I think it's both like

37:34911 is it possible that that was a conspiracy sure is it plausible I don't think so I I believe exactly you do the gross incompetence because I go through the airport all the time and I see the people who are screening me this day and I know for a fact that it was gross incompetence cuz the guy's drooling looking at the the little monitor coming by you know what I mean as my bag goes through yeah so I think it was a combination of the two but I don't know I mean I I think that you're confusing I don't know I'm not going to say I don't think you're confusing politicians with the military right you might be surprised at how little I think most politicians have any effect over the military themselves certainly I I don't think they have a lot of effect over the government either I think that they they're bot right and I and I'm certainly pro-military to a th% I think

38:25that people get tricked in they get put in impossible situations that's not possible Tate you can only be 100% of anything can't be a 100000% tate so t% doesn't exist Tate so Tate's King for a Day like I was going to ask you about that what was your what's your first move you're King for a Day you got 24 hours to set a policy in place that's going to last for for 12 months you got 24 hours to yeah that's not enough time sure it is I'm going to need a couple weeks you have 24 hours need to grow the mushrooms I need to figure out how to get him to the Middle East I'm going to need some time and just yeah I need to figure out a way to starve these people to get them to eat mushrooms I'm going to get them covered in chocolate or camel or whatever the they eat yeah but it's a tough question right because everybody will sit back and they'll tell you how it's up like all right

39:08like what would you do what would you do I think you got to destabilize corporations and and that kind of what the Anarchy talk from a guy who drives a Toyota what the are you going to ride a camel to work how you around stabilizing corporations I mean you look at a company like Tesla you look at anything likeu the idea that yeah but the idea that it's different if you have a corporation with uh unabashed drive for profit you're in a bad place and that's where we are well that's and that's what's wrong with our country for sure yeah well when you have unlimited growth and that's that's your model that's what I'm talking about that is a real issue that's a real ISS a heart and conscious behind your corporation that's different but right now we have politicians that are simply a shadow of Corporations well there's also a fact ridiculous there there's also a problem that when a

39:56corporation does something up the people inside the corporation aren't held responsible like individuals you have a diffusion of responsibility well you too many guys you know cuz you're not a bad guy you're not a bad guy I'm not a bad guy we're all just pushing our pen this way and that way and certain number okay like let's look at caveman coffee caveman coffee is a small company right well what if caveman coffee grows to be something like folders or Maxwell House and we find out that you you guys are Shing people right but how does that happen how does a company like halberton come about how how does it get from an idea to a few employees greed and ego right I guess greed is a big one and then the business model is a big one right and then the ability to justify and rationalize up decisions right the the diffusion of responsibility that comes from a large

40:43group acting in a up way yep yeah exactly so let me ask you this because as a decorated veteran who's seen combat what if you in hindsight is of course 2020 not not criticizing decision that have been made but if you saw what you've seen and you 911 happened today what's the move what what do you do do you invade Iraq you know I'm guilty of personally believing the spin that was on the Iraq War you know what I mean it's uh you believe it currently or you believe no I believed it at the time you know what I mean everybody did pow was on TV so credible and I'd my dad would be like he hurt you you know my dad a Vietnam vet and he'd be like no this is this is this has got all no way your dad thought that he did what did he think what was he saying he was just like no this is we have no business going in there these two aren't connected right because they tried to

41:40tie the Al Qaeda from Afghanistan to Iraq and I would argue with him you know and and and I I believed it I mean the first Target we hit in Iraq was the number one Kem bio Target in that country and it was a agricultural school that was growing tomato plants wow wow so how was that just bad intelligence you know we looked at that Target for a couple weeks we had schematics we had experts on air conditioning coming and telling us you know like look at this look at all the air conditioning that they have it's like it's for the ventilation system and now on hindsight I'm like it's really hot there in the summer that's probably why they had all that 140 degrees in the shade you know and then like oh but look you know there's this tube that comes out twice a year which which to the greenhouse you know uh so I mean not only did I believe it but we were pursuing it as you know we were

42:34going after km bio stuff now in hindsight uh I don't think I would have myself personally if you know if I was if I was King for the day I wouldn't have invaded either if I could use modern-day technology and this is still what I think I personally would do today is I would pull back all the US forces in Afghanistan and the ones that are near Iraq and instead of occupying which has been proven to be ineffective time and time and time again I mean creates enemies oh my God not just ineffective but effective in creating enemy right you know it's like look at the Russians death by a thousand paper cuts right way worse than a Blow To The Head that ends it you know initially so I would I would pull that out and not go down that road and I would go very very surgically and I would I would develop the intelligence uh to be certain of the people that we're looking for you know you got to

43:25Leverage The assets and and so sometimes you might be wrong with these surgical strikes but I'm okay with that but I would go surgically as as opposed to occupying and I would leverage all the resources to do it that way as opposed to putting an infrastructure in place that cost billions of dollars to support it's cuz you're a goddamn American Andy St I was not like these that put us into this godamn and that's the American serviceman but I got I'm I'm looking at this 15 and I exactly I'm looking at this in the rearview mirror and I was just as guilty I'm like godamn it oh Bin Laden is in Baghdad like that's like that's where everybody thought he was no not at all but you know what I mean they made the connection they made the connection that alqaeda has a loose connection but you know again it's hindsight's 2020 but again you just can't occupy you cannot occupy because it doesn't work

44:14now do you believe that like so when you say you go in and you kind of change policies and your your working assets that are there you get more assets if you're judicious right you get more assets do you believe in do you believe in a universal justice and Harmony in that way of like if America's behaving in a proper and appropriate way in the world yeah there's going to be radical that are here and there and whatever but there's going to be assets within those countries that are going this is working for righteousness for all people is that a thing I think I don't think that the scales would balance in that regard because you're talking about the difference between rational thought and irrational thought and irrational people just take it too far you know what I mean you got a pound on one side and then an irrational guy's got two pounds so you could have a million

44:54people you know rationally IR look at you what I mean the scales just and the way human nature is is you always look at it's all you only vote for what you don't like you don't really vote for what you like you know it's like that's kind of how we're cut in a way well it's easier to point out things that are mistakes I mean it's easier for me to articulate bad leadership than be like good leadership be like what is it that he's doing how difficult it is it to to try to formulate correct intelligence about a country on the other side of the planet and what are you doing to get that's one of the things that's always gotten me like what are they using they're using satellite imagery knowledge knowledge of the architectural schematics of the buildings we try CIA guys on the ground very accurate yeah I mean what what can you do to try to figure out what they're

45:47doing like like you know I had this conversation with someone about Isis like yeah we need to just go over there and take care of that I'm like what are what are you saying like where are they yeah exactly do me draw me a map of where this this Isis that you'd like to have taken care of is and when you realize it's populated across multiple countries and they communicate over an electronic medium that we can't control and they don't get together because they understand what happens when they do get together and they communicate through photographs that you can send on Instagram they could send a photograph on Instagram or on YouTube they can send a video and have metadata in that photo that you have to you they have to take it and then they send it through a filter and they figure out what you're trying to say like you could send them a picture in an email hey man just

46:27chilling here in kenoga Park eating a sub you know and have you with a smile with a meatball sub and there's metadata in that they can transcribe right and then they figure out what the message is I mean this that that was a lot of how they were communicating back and forth was with is almost like uh like genas Khan savagery there like 5,000 guys are going in and turning 50 thou a city of 50,000 away and and they're running before they get there you know I mean aren't conf cages with a trail of gasoline and light them on fire like damn dude like that's and they filmed it in slow motion yeah I mean they like use high-tech equipment that's the other thing is that they have access to equipment and high-tech technology that you know technology has reached such an incredible level that the average person has access to some pretty significant and if you're an evil person on the other side

47:23of the planet you can keep track of a lot of stuff that's going on I mean drones anybody could buy a drone now you could have drones up in the air with video cameras and a lot of guys are good at them yeah yeah I mean you could they operate on cell phones you know they have drones now that work on virtual reality headsets I've I've used them you you put a virtual reality headset on and they have a drone flying around you see everything yeah I mean there's so much that we can do now as like regular consumers you got to imagine with the amount of money that a group like Isis has I mean they've been stealing money for a long time now they have billions of dollars and that's why I think occupation doesn't work I mean it's it maybe you know maybe have a presence at a base nearby so you can have a staging point but I think we're I think that everything has

48:08changed from I don't think you're going to see these mature battle areas anymore you mature areas of War because it's all going to be surgical at least I hope because again that's that's the direction that I would go with it I mean it's lower risk than exposing a large force over a truncated time period isn't there also a big issue right now with our drawn out sort of Cold War battle being brought back to life we've got a real issue now with Russia right I mean this this whole Putin thing it seems it seems like there's a there's a a real animosity between Russia and the United States that is rekindled that we didn't feel for decades you know Putin has kind of brought this back to life and strategically if he should decide to align himself with people that are the friends of Isis like not necessarily Isis themselves but just close enough in close enough proximity that he can sort

49:05of fuel that fire whether it's with information with strategy with money arms equipment like nuclear bombs I mean that's the ultimate right that's what everyone's more more terrified of than anything is that some radicalized crazy group gets a hold of a bomb and decides to blow Paris up or decides to blow can you imagine that downtown New York and somebody Clacks one of those things off that's the spot right New York is the spot if you want to get a lot of attention they've hit it twice right that's the spot you that's the the that's the the epicenter of attention for Terror in the world if you want to really make a big splash you go to New York Bin Laden's been there twice allegedly who knows Moves Like a Ghost could be still alive Tade loves this bin Laden like Tupac yeah could be I mean look there's there was a great article from uh during when When U Bin

49:57Laden was involved with the mujahadin I forget what publication it was in but somebody uh posted it recently and it was when Bin Laden was our Ally and uh there was this like puff piece on Bin Laden and how important it is that Bin Laden see see if we can find that Jamie if you can find it I it was it was during the time when Russia was invading Afghanistan and we were arming the mujahadin and we were training them and helping them to fend off the Soviet Union because we didn't want a Russian Pipeline classic enemy of our enemy exactly scenario what played out exactly and they were making it out like this guy who was CIA trained this guy Osama Bin Laden was you know was a real hero and then feel turned on America and you know to them it's the best piece of evidence and if you look at the way we respected and trained and thought of Osama bin Laden and then Osama Bin Laden

50:55became our number one enemy it's the best piece of evidence that the United States is evil and corrupt to them I mean it's like look this is the guy that was your number one guy over there he was a guy that you trained to fight off the Russians and now he's saying you know the Russians were a problem the United States is a bigger problem this is the real problem and then boom everybody it's the story of The Prodigal Son gone bad do you think that they what do you what is your thought on the Osama Bin Laden the killing of Osama bin Laden dumping him in the ocean two thumbs up but no that's I would imagine that but I mean do you think that definitely happened cuz I've talked to guys I've talked to special ops guys that don't even believe that happened they they go I think that guy was dead they like we think that guy was dead for a while and they think that that's why in

51:42Crow chamber somewhere in pakist no pictures of him there's no there's no anything there are plenty of pictures of him no but I know guys who have firsthand but again SFO people yeah I've seen the photos yes and 747s and they fly over are spraying chemical contrails well too it's not just the condensation in the a yeah uh no I haven't personally seen him uh you know I wasn't there I had left the command long before that actually happened but if talking to people that were there I have no reason to doubt the people that I have talked to that were physically present when it happened and so you've talked to people that were there as it happened you 100% by the official narrative yep okay I I I'll abandon my conspiracy I mean that's kind of it changes things when it's like but what is friend standing there well the conspiracy is that he was already dead and that they were waiting for a

52:30strategic time to but what's the value of killing Bin Laden was when the election when the re-election was happening I could buy okay so you think it was purely uh political play that's that's the conspiracy well the Theory comes about because why do you make his body disappear so nobody can ever see that there's not genetic testing all that that right isn't so there was DNA taken okay uh and I can tell you the reasons that I was told is you know they by leaving the body there it would have basically turned that into a new I don't want to say Mecca because that's the wrong word but a new Shrine to whatever he stood for so they removed the body uh gave it the Muslim burial that it deserved or did not depending on you know which way you swing on that opinion and what's the Muslim burial I think it uh I'm not an expert on but I believe it's requires a

53:17certain amount of washing you have to be shrouded uh in a certain way and then I mean I would rather have that I would rather either you know cremate the body and get rid of it somewhere or put it somewhere that can't go to and and worship some douchebag right you know what I mean well if you look at what's happened since then it was effective because even though I mean he is a revered guy in that culture there isn't a spot where you can go too that they think of as this holy spot where he died and even though he has been a martyr there's there's no images they pred around on social media so they did mitigate that if and so by not releasing the images I think it's better right I know I know for a fact that they did DNA testing you know he has relatives that have come to the US it wouldn't be impossible to get a DNA strand that you could you know match back to the guy so

54:05you know as far as the execution goes I mean I think it I think it went really well what did it have a political gain I think you can't argue that it didn't you know it definitely did but in my own mind I don't know if that's enough to justify a conspiracy I I buy the you know maybe I'm an idiot but I buy the uh you know no the official narrative makes sense I just conspiracies are fun I I get excited about them I mean that's I think that's what what gets people wrapped up in Bigfoot or chemtrail there goes on that you like for sure like like going into Iraq you're like for sure that's like for sure now I say that I wasn't saying but there's there's enough that stuff where billions of dollars goes towards that um the devastation of millions of people and all that stuff for not not not for the just cause that we think it is you know we how about what we know about are gone

54:55like the negotiation of the the the hostages in Iran during the Carter Administration they made sure those hostages were not released until after Reagan was President yeah that's a fact we all know that we all know that for political gain they left those Americans entrapped they we know that let's be honest if anybody thinks a politician is out for anything other than themselves or their own you know things that are good for them then you're probably operating from a not a really good well you say that but have you seen Bernie Sanders photo of him with Jesus cuz I don't know what the you're talking about now now you're talking crazy do he's got Jesus is literally his homeboy I have the same picture in my office Joe you don't I'm getting one there's a guy who's making them he's making prints we're going to hang it up in the office Carson you mean did I what did I say

55:38said Bernie Sanders Bernie Sanders did I say Bernie Sanders damn it they're all crazy to me they're all interchangeable I should have said Hillary Clinton you've achieved another level when you do an abstract watercolor painting of Jesus holding your shoulder it's not abstract it's as it happened to oh okay got it it was actually just sketch in life not Bernie Sanders I think that we need a like a Brian Stan president next really because I feel like the next president if if Putin is the real deal in that and he is man that dude is a g like he's scary you need to have a guy as president that's willing to get on a horse and joust him to death or something like that like you got to have somebody viable up there it can't be these people that are available now for us that's not going to work well could you imagine what like if Putin and Obama had a fight to the death how

56:25embarrassed we would be in that's what I'm saying we need Brian Stan out how quickly would Putin trip Obama and have him on his back and just be beating his brain I can't believe you actually had to make that analogy going be stuck in my head it's just what it would happen the idea clinch up on his back Mount full Mount elbows to the eye sockets just death it would be horrible I mean we are I mean we would never grow our dicks back in America is that a problem I mean do do we need a leader that knows how to fight yes everybody it's a duty to know had Teddy Roosevelt who the last guy Ronald Reagan was probably like like a guy that you would think of as being a tough guy but he probably goes down quick he's a yeah I think he pretended to be a tough guy due to his background so who else Walker yeah he killed a bunch of knife in your ear yeah he would he would kill you with a pen he's

57:17probably got special pens made the first gbsh yeah the old dude yeah he was a head of the CIA yeah that dude was badass num people he was so who else George W no but you look at yeah it's so sad it is Tedd Teddy russal you look at like Hugo Chavez pu you look at all these other leaders they're they're like you're like that dude's probably about some you look at our guys and you're like that's an impotent old dude Bill Clinton I bet could make some phone calls that's true he might not be able to kill you himself but I bet Bill Clinton makes some phone calls and he would charm the socks off you I don't know about all that come on I don't I don't I don't think so I know too much I know too much I look at eyes I would see him McDonald's eating jogging jog I remember remember the old days I remember the old days I don't give a with this new vegan Clinton this new guy's buying The

58:07China Study which by the way has been disproved Bill C go read into it yeah what biased information sir used to be into that all the time I'm like are you serious yeah like he would post like that I'm like you need to read more books well The China Study makes some good points about the American diet the typical American diet is terrible you know it's just like all that other stuff conspiracies it's like there's enough truth mixed in with all this other stuff yeah let's just bias information you know you bias sampling pick the stuff that you want that supports your idea look good food is good for you you know eat a lot of vegetables it's great for you but eat only vegetables there's not really a lot of evidence that says that's the way to go unless you have a specific bio situation you know like some people do have issues million people in the US not that

58:51many it's like statistics man statistics I mean I know people that like like body processes fish better they eat meat they fart too much they don't like it yeah you can justify any argument you want with a little study I like you just made that face I feel like that's not true I'm just stuck on Tate the conspiracy yeah well people love conspiracies man they love Hey listen you just admitted that you up about Iraq so you can't tell me cuz I knew I aded others up and I was unwitty caught up in the net no like your mind you yeah I don't I don't I'll be the first to admit it we're just very lucky Eddie Bravo is not here right now oh he would tell you about Chemtrails oh my God that's why I brought that up I heard somebody talking about it the other day oh God like while pointing at the aircraft that's apparently spraying agricultural stuff I'm like what are you talking Southwest

59:40Airlines yeah well it's uh this guy Mick West that runs a site called metabunk oh God it's a it's a debunking website it explains in in very objective detail why most conspiracies are and explains you know okay and that's why it's uh called meta buunk and uh he calls it the training wheels of conspiracies he's like cuz it's right there it's up in the sky and you know you you think about your childhood you go I don't remember those being there when I was young and just decide that they weren't there there photos from like old clean Eastwood movies where there's Ken trails in the background or contrails in the background not on a western Joe yes no they didn't have planes back I know I know but that's what's up these dummies they're out there doing films and above them in the sky contrails they're like that's a curious Cloud that was a gassy oxen well there's

60:31real There's real conspiracies right I think I believe in all of them well the the best one is joking right all of them stop of course he is it it's there's no way you could know everything right that's part of the problem there's no way and we know that people have done some devious in order to make money steady in order to cover their tracks or in in order to agendas of whatever nature I mean it's just that's why when someone finds out about something like weapons of mass destruction in Iraq not being real and they immediately go to the conspiracy angle where a guy like you who was on the ground can say well look we really thought that was the case and it's really hard to gather up that information I mean it's embarrassing to say looking back but I mean that's that's where our head was at those are guys on the ground it's easy to convince guys on the ground to stuff I'm saying

61:20the guys that put you on the ground do you know what I mean it's like they knew they had they had evidence they had dat they couldn't find it what they they they said there's no evidence that there's weapons of mass destruction there time and time again that's why what's name the CIA agent got outed by those by uh yeah that was by Ken Star right and scooter Libby and all that yeah and and so there's that right because her husband her husband was supposed to come back with evidence says I and George says I want you to find weapons of mass destruction here and he's like there's just not yeah and then she's an undercover CIA operative and they out in Africa while she's undercover I for the was Tak off Valerie Plum Valerie plume yeah wow man you got a steel trap for memory over there Joe I remember some she lives in Santa Fe does she yeah why you out or what's her address Tate Jesus what

62:12does she do she out there uh Valley she's not into Zumo she does CrossFit okay oh Jesus which I've heard is Joe's favorite but that's one of my favorite things to do he just doesn't know enough well do a lot of the exercises that they do in understand that Joe okay you're a CrossFit guy right sometimes I'm I'm more work for the company for eight years for CrossFit yeah what's up with the the number one dude being fat he's in good shape I just saw him this Summer there's no way shap yeah he looks great not like this come on who's like that hey you know it's uh I like it when you do the one bicep and then the other this and then did that that was nice you know what I mean the program came from between his ears you know what I mean so okay so it's knowledge as as opposed to yeah a lot of experience doing that dude is a g though man he's he's changed the lives and he's changed the face of

63:06Fitness for uh for everybody like he's he's definitely if you want to talk about somebody that is exacted change upon the American population and diets that's a guy man he's done it in a huge huge way but his company has done it right and then when people see him they go hey yeah how come uh you don't look like you do it I mean it's a tough one uh I don't know what he would say if you asked him straight to his F I don't know what he would say if you asked him do you partake in crossfit workout isn't he he's got like a bad body right something wrong with him right he's got a bum leg Yeah and he was a he was a bicyclist right that was what he was a gymnast he bicycle he like has a passion for bicycling right uh I don't think he ever did it competitively but and you used to fly fly for him or something I did I started off he can fly planes I got about 3,000 hours fly me some Jets wow I

63:52dabble in a lot of for the company for a long time for four years I taught at the uh the seminars just teach like basically spreading Greg's conceptual Foundation all over the world I went all over and then I managed the uh licensing and sponsorship deals when I came back off of Military deployment in 2010 so I managed the rebok deal that CrossFit has uh and then started flying again and then flew him for like three years as well too so I was I was in the military doing all that double dipping while I was in what is your feeling on CrossFit I you can't argue with the effectiveness of the methodology like it totally works I I mean the days of pumping iron and Arnold Schwarzenegger were awesome you know what I mean and I'd rather have people do that than sit on the couch and eat Doritos but I think the argument for functional fitness and the ability to actually be able to do something with

64:42all the hard work you're doing you can't argue against it really right it's it's form over physique uh and I I it I need to be able to do it to do the activities that I still do like I'm outside all day long you know eating all the time uh so yeah I mean again uh long long answer to a short short question uh I do it yeah the argument against it by guys who are very knowledgeable about strength and conditioning is that you shouldn't do powerlifting exercises for large amount of reps and that it's damaging for the body that's like what they're saying is he says Olympic lifting not powerlifting there's a distinction okay well dead lifts and cleans kind of cleans and snatches are but power lifting is more like dead lifting lifting the dnic open and snatch the Stu I mean can you can you overboard sure but you can kill yourself drinking too much water too I mean you got to put

65:34that in perspective well Maxwell's problem with it has always been that it's a competition for exercise where he feels like exercise should be used to get you in better shape for competition and then having a competition out of lifting weights you know and for a bunch of repetitions is silly it is silly but I also I would also say that's a bastardization of what the company actually stands for the the compet aspect was in a group classroom setting and if you take that and expand it beyond that it stops making sense at an exponential rate it was just about putting you know a number on a board and holding you accountable for your performance and if you're racing if all three of us are doing if I'm doing something by myself uh that has a Time component to it and then you two come in the room and we're all going to do it together you know damn well I'm like

66:18how's Joe doing over there so that it's it's not necessarily you're competing in exercise it was the competition aspect of the workouts that would enhance not enhance but drive people to perform it brings you into a deeper level of yourself it also it was nevered to yeah right it was never supposed to be about competing in exercise so that's that's a a slight misunderstanding of what the the concept of the program is supposed to be about people think the CrossFit Games is CrossFit and they make a collusion with those and that's just not true it's it's an erroneous idea the the the idea of CrossFit is is getting somebody to not die of diabetes anymore the the idea of CrossFit is to change people's lives and to have that spread through communities and go God my mom's doing this and now she dropped 50 pounds and she stopped taking insulin I thought the idea of CrossFit is just not being

67:03able to shut the up about CrossFit all the time that's how you know you're a crossfitter that doesn't arent are exactly all the best stuff is culty right and I think that ideas like Maxwell spreading like from what what I'm hearing in that way is just bread of ignorance it's like an idea I can say dare it's ignorant how dare you it is how dare you well how I dare um because of my education I guess all me to DARE how I dare and you know you know how I roll I I walk through this daring allow me to DARE what happened to that dude that one American guy who uh I think he was from Los Angeles had dropped the weight on his neck Kevin Ogar he's paraly he's just and he's got the best goddamn attitude ever he like I saw him this owner too and he's a he is a solid he's great dude you should talk to him and the uh the bar landed on his neck right it landed on his back and it yeah it was gnarly I

68:00mean basic it was a clean break like I think he was paralyzed from that instant it wasn't like an onset and you know they're like oh we'll wait till the S yeah wow it's crazy that a bar just dropping on you can do that of circumstances yeah he can do that so yeah and so there's no hope for him that's just it oh he's leading a whole new life he's got a new Epoch in his life and he's leading uh the athletes that are mitigated by different uh paralysis and all that and he's he's uh he's a signal like he's become a symbol of Hope and um connectedness in this whole other um regime like in in my gym at Undisputed in Santa Fe we've got four athletes that are in wheelchairs that um that compete and that drive and they they get through this you know for those Kevin went right into it because he was already an athlete he already had that comp competition mind but um you

68:51know a lot of those guys they go they have an accident they go through drugs they go through SU suicidal ideas and then after they're paralyzed for a while they go you know what maybe I need to I'm going to live this way a long time and maybe I need to change my life and and there's a whole group of community that's doing it paralyzed from the neck down the waist down no he's the waist down Kevin is I say it's amazing to me though how people take those you know horrible circumstances and it it changes their life he's one of the most beautiful lights ever man that guy I don't think I would go down that road I think I'd be looking for salvation in the bottom of a bottle and then just suck starting a pistol in the morning suck stting a pistol that's a nice way to put like every morning if that happened to me I'd be like toothbrush six shooter like how the did you

69:33get involved in this Wings suit craziness how the did you tell Tate on a previous podcast you wouldn't jump out of an airplane with me oh oh I just won't I'm just airplanes are really good for flying and it's just not a good idea to jump out of them you you got you got you you got into it because you were uh you were how did you get I like Tate's answers they they're amazing to me where was I born tell me about where I was born tell him about Iraq weren't you a jump instructor uh yeah yeah and so is that the first time you started jumping so I started jumping you know seal stands for C air land so you train for a variety of things and when I first got I never knew that you didn't know that I don't know if he's with me or not that's honest I I didn't know that it's one of the rare things I did know okay so see land we're going to focus on the air portion that way all

70:27right so you know you get to a Seal Team keep it together keep it together three of those Nitros two cups of regular caveman he's off the Tilt and let him talk I'm trying so you get to a Seal Team and you're brand new and nowadays when you get your Trident the pin that is the designator that makes you a seal you have to go through the jump training before you go through static line which is analogous to jumping off the roof of this building with no parachute to freef fall jump which is awesome you're falling through the air and you're like you know like the Point Break you know Point your toes Johnny fly you know that's that's the good stuff so when you get to the Seal team though when I got into 97 uh because I wasn't freef fall qualified all we had to do or all we could do was static line jump so we'd get on the plane with The freef Fall Guys and they would just sit there and

71:16laugh at us as we left the plane at like 12200 feet our little parachute walking off the ramp with our static line and Bam and like just eat into the ground and after about a week of that I'm like okay i' I've had enough of this static line so I went out found a a civilian skydiving Drop Zone by my house uh and went through the 6 hours of required ground training and then seven jumps it took me all of two days to do that and then started jumping on my own got about 500 jumps myself and then challenged the military curriculum instead of having to wait the 5 years to go to get military Free Fall qualified cuz I was just tired of auguring in on the static line jumps and then I just really liked it and then I pursued uh Development Group was great for it because they're like what do you want to do explain what Development Group was uh Development Group is SEAL Team Six

72:04they're uh I think in this day and age largely interchangeable didn't used to be like that but they'd allow you to pursue stuff that you wanted to do and I had a great boss and he was like you like to jump so you need to go to this school this school this school this school that's where I learned how to do tandems it's where you know instead of being the jumper I was the guy putting the guys out of the aircraft so it just kind of led to a very diverse uh jump experience like I've I've had my toes in a lot of different like jump stuff uh and then a buddy of mom was like hey man you got to check out these Wing suits and first and a first thought I'm like yeah that looks like you're jumping in a straight jacket man because you're zipped up you're just like wobbling around you look like a little you know a triangle flying through the air uh and then I went and I started uh base

72:44jumping and the guy who taught me how to base jump was just raving about him I'm like all right that's it I'm going to go I'm going to go figure out how to do this and uh so I ordered a suit that would uh not be re recommended for a normal student they're like because it was big like the more fabric the more performance you can get out of it but the more bent out of shape you can get to if it if it gets a little squirly oh so they're like you should start on this suit I'm like yeah but this one looks way better so I'm going to order this one and then I'm going to eventually jump this one and this looks way better so I'm going to order both at the same time so I order both at the same time did seven jumps in the suit that I was wildly underqualified to jump in and then just put the big one on never look back what was the first jump like it wasn't that bad I I was actually in my

73:30head I thought it was going to be way worse because I mean I like to be able to do this you know like move around and you're in the suit you're just like locked in you're locked in so and I'm like I never exited a plane with all that material I was afraid I was going to go out and just get smacked up into the wing or in the the tail wi which is haven't guys have hit their head and they they're just done damn yeah it happens uh so I was all freaked out and then I go out and it's like laying on an a air mattress on your stomach I just kind of relaxed and I saw the ground moving and I'm like holy this is awesome you're just flying you're flying I was flying really inefficiently oh here we go is that you yeah oh wow that's from 36,500 Ft 36,500 ft do you have oxygen oh yeah that's the condensation coming out so the exit I'm about to display for you is not very good

74:19why well I caught my foot on the door started so you go upside down yeah up oh yeah and it gets worse oh Jesus Christ you're spiraling wow how do you correct that uh you have to dive the suit so you got to get the suit diving to get speed and then I'm like okay here we go so you figured out how to dive down and then that that stops the spin it you got to think of the wing suit like an aircraft Wing if you stall it it'll spin so Wing suits like speed they just want to go fast the faster it goes the more power you have and I can actually gain altitude in my wings suit so so I can go down and then flare back up and gain a couple hundred feet how far you get a couple hundred feet can can he continually do that like when does it end uh like for this particular jump this was in August uh that was 18.25 miles is what I traveled horizontally waa now now do you know do

75:11you know what your speed is when you're going do you know uh not really do you have you don't have a redo or anything like that on that jump not only did I not have a readout I didn't have an altimeter all I had was an audible in my ear because I didn't uh I didn't want to have anything else I was afraid that the oxygen hose was going to wrap over it there was just too many other complications so I just went went uh off of the audible and then I you know calibrated camera One camera two before I went so when you're doing this the first time you're doing this are you doing it from this high like how how high were you the first time you did it so most skydiving is like 13,500 feet that's that's pretty much about it I mean this was this took a lot of uh time in the making like I was that's an airplane right that was an airplane but I was started you know making the

75:55preparations for that in January of this year and I did that in August that was a world record yeah that was the farthest distance flown in a wing suit which is a completely plus miles something like that completely irrelevant measure of horizontal distance but right you know and what time like how much time are you spending from the time you jump out until the time you land uh I was in freef Fall for just over eight minutes and then probably under canopy under the parachute for less than a minute that's it it pulled a little bit low I didn't have an altimeter on so I like I said I had an audible in my ear that was set to go off at certain altitudes and it uh the lower beep did not go off so but I hadal I calibrated my cameras before I went I like camera One camera two camera One camera two let's go so I was calibrated what does that mean camera One camera two you're calibrated my eyes

76:43camera one's calibrated camera two let's go like that's all how do you do that I look at the ground I'm like holy getting really big yeah wow cuz I had just gotten back from a month based jumping in Europe where I was used to pulling it like 400 ft so I had seen those visuals of the ground coming up and I had an altimeter alert set for 10,000 one set for 5500 and my last one I wanted to go off at three so I got the 10,000 foot alert no problem 5,500 foot alert goes off no problem and then you kind of have like this mental it's going to be after a while you know how long it's going to be so I'm just like flying flying I'm like hm okay I'm going to I'm going to wait right because you know it's important I'm going for distance I'm just going to keep waiting keep waiting that I'm like that tree down there is way too big I'm out of here wow so yeah you ever hear about

77:32these guys that want to land them what I'm one of those guys you want to land one without a pair of shoes that you're saying they landed in boxes there's a guy that landed in boxes right a guy in Europe did he put a neck brace on and put up some big cardboard boxes and flew it right into the boxes how's he doing he's fine walked out of it there was another guy Jeb corus who was talking about like basically taping a skateboard to his stomach and making this really that sounds like something a guy named Jeb would do Jesus his brother Dale couldn't get all the trucks for the skateboard together well my my cousin Cliff is going to try too I mean to me though I'm like yeah that I mean I would probably give it a go if I could rationalize it and figure out a way to like if it would be at least plausible or possible I'd give it a go what would be the way I mean I could see maybe in

78:15the ocean and you can land in the water no because your forward speed is like a buck 20 hey yeah whack if there's 20 guys that are doing that this year yeah and there's no more that start how many are doing it next year well the skydiving or the Basse jumping Bas jumping like that uh I think 18 or 19 is there a way that you could have a wing that's not fixed that's like maybe expandable like uh like you would reach a certain point you know you youve got your wing like this right and you're flying around is there a way like maybe you could release something that would give you a bunch of extra fabric and you would just it would slow you I think I've seen this in the B hey Siri Siri is I didn't even say Hey Siri but Siri's transcribing that have you noticed that you use that yeah well the Chinese are trying to figure out what you got going on the Chinese are doing it already tapped in my I

79:08think I saw that on Batman Returns that same concept you're talking about but you got to have the electro gloves yeah well I was thinking there maybe a way that you could release more Fabric in the wings and it would slow you down considerably like you could get to a point where you could hit it and it would Puff back yeah and then you could almost like hit the ground running they're for sure gonna do it somebody somebody I don't know how long has wings Suits been around I mean there's a lot of impossible years I think 20 years but the technological advances in those 20 years are insane like it was literally before a fabric Loop that went around your thumb and like a twin sheet that a guy sew to his suit and was like crazy you know that was like me jumping off the garage with two garbage can uh right it has happened so the yeah the Pioneers here's an interesting statistic

79:59of like the 80 people who are credited with uh developing Wing suits 80 of them are dead oh Jesus good s Jesus Christ and it's not old age either no no but I bet you they went out with a smile on their face oh I bet they didn't how about that I bet they did not well right before they realized they were going to die they had a smile on their face up until that point man were you smiling right till now say that your cord doesn't go off when you're at 2,000 feet or wherever you are and you pulled are you still smiling after that well on that jump that we watched I mean I have a reserve so I I have a plan B on base jumping I mean how close do you have to get to the ground before it's too late uh I mean I had about a 5-second canopy ride in Europe so I was probably 150 ft off the ground when I pulled and you and that's that was emotional encouraging it was a that was a visually

80:48intense experience for me that was the lowest I've ever open a parach is so low it's so low that's like many is that from the ground you're falling more than 150 ft second well because you're only going about 30 down in your wings so you got more okay not not like free but the canopy opening I mean it opened and I hit the ground like 4 seconds later it was oh my God I sat down and thought about what the I was doing for a while after that one oh my God and that for me was not enjoyable like I do this stuff because I love it right and because it I mean it makes my head right like if I didn't do that type of stuff my head would be it wouldn't be like I be able to think as clear it just it I can't articulate uh the clarity that it provides for me how so is it like you think you need to do dangerous because of your past experience let me let me ask you this why do you have a

81:36sensory de uh deprivation tank well because it allows me to be alone alone with my thoughts like literally alone yeah like you're and but are you present in the moment when you're there and you're alone up until the moment where I start tripping okay for me when I'm standing on the edge of a cliff I it provides for me just a Moment of clarity and being present in that moment like the closer you get and again this is I can only speak for myself but the closer you get when in the Basse Jumping World for me like when I'm getting ready to jump and I'm zipping up my sleeves and I'm doing my checks like I'm not thinking about my checking account balance anymore you know I'm not worried about I got to transfer money over blah blah blah blah blah it just slowly starts kind of fading away and then you step up to the edge and it's I mean I've never seen color so

82:27clearly in my life I've never it just it's a laser like focus on the next 3 seconds of my life you're not worried about a minute down the road you're not thinking about what you had for lunch right because if you rock forward and step off you better be ready for full speed Life coming at you you you cut the rest of your life to figure out what the about to happen and it's not that I like doing dangerous stuff and don't get me wrong I love this sensation of flying and it's great to be able to fly next to a cliff or down through a set of trees it's awesome but that that Moment of clarity the only time I've ever had that is on like a helicopter at about the one minute out where you lose all of the past and all you're thinking about is the absolute present moment and the next thing that you have to do well you're saying one minute out meaning about to go into combat yep because

83:17you're not worried about your checkbook then either it's it's just that it's it's a narrowing but an expansion at the same time you're narrowing your focus but I'm expanding the amount of information that I can process so it's almost like an altered state like you're you're reaching like a very high level of concentration almost like akin to like a deep deep meditation yeah I don't know about deep deep meditation uh but yeah it's definitely it's just close to you know one of those states that I can imagine I mean I I love it it makes me better a better person in ways that make no sense like it it gives me more patience around my kids it gives me more patience dealing with OT that I don't you know what I mean because and I don't know why just those few seconds or moments provide that for me but it does makes sense it it it balances it out you know and makes sense that it gives you

84:04this unbelievably extreme experience so it's like it drains your need for that I felt like that the first time I did uh stick fight and like stick fight yeah cuz I don't think it's Unique to the jump I think everybody I think when you start cuz don't get me wrong like when I'm standing on the edge like every alarm Bell in my body is like you're idot you're an idiot you're an idiot you're hard to how you get here you're on the how you get here you're trying to be all tough and talk right you're like hey are you ready to go like you're spit and sawdust but I think if you spit and sawdust so for me right that's the point where I have that experience but like you're saying Tate it could be it could be stick fighting that's why to me like you guys are crazy to go in the Octagon like no way like but maybe you guys get that when you're getting ready to square off with the dude in the

84:52Octagon I think that there's something in who we are as human beings that wants us to search for that but everybody finds it in their own way yeah there's something about human beings that wants you to run from comfort and that you you learn from right some some are cleaved to comfort well the ones that are interesting right the interesting ones the really interesting ones to me are the ones that they they seek out these difficult moments the guys I know that have seen combat like you to that degree that that kind of a soldier that fight are all like they have to get worked up like Ken yeah like Tim and Brian Stan are both guys that have talked like that about it that they have to get worked up they're too Calm before they go into that experience they need to get jazzed up because they're so used to like a higher a heightened sense of consequence well let's be let's be honest too I mean

85:39like there there's some uh there's some great attributes that come from operating in a highrisk high threat environment with high consequences but it also changes you as a human being too like it Grays you in areas that maybe like empathy for me is one I struggle with maybe what you were talking about before about guantan Mo Bay about these radicals coming out you got to kill them for me and for pragmatically it would I and I you not it would be as easier for me is to say that is to pick up a gun and blow a dude's head off right there if he was one of no problem and go sleep like a baby not a problem but you know there's there's issues that can arise from that too like and I recognize I recognize some of it in myself like for me I struggle with empathy like you know my kids will fall down and they'll hurt themselves and I'm just like just like and I don't

86:24verbalize it but I'm like God just get up you know what I mean it doesn't have to be my kids like I don't have a lot of tolerance or empathy for people who are in pain because the reality is it's just get up and get on with what you got going on you know what I mean that's that's what's ingrained in who I am well it's your spectrum is different than there that's what I'm saying but my spectrum is different now you know what I mean so and that impacts your ways and that's going to be like that I think for me for the rest of my life and it's interesting it's it's just it's like a hiccup that I recognize sometimes and then most of the time I'm completely oblivious to it so there's some great things that came from being in that environment and then there's some just odd quirks that you got to deal with too I mean there's two sides to every coin you know the empathy aspect of it

87:03completely makes sense because if you're used to operating in extreme tolerances tolerating extreme weather conditions danger violence loss of friends injuries all all the above and then you see someone who just twist their ankle they're crying like a yeah you know I mean we all you've seen your friend blow up and then somebody Falls like yeah but we all have seen I mean to a much much lesser extent people who train in Jiu-Jitsu or martial arts they're used to getting banged up you know your injuries you have a different perception of them like I've talked to people they go well how many surgeries you had I'm like oh you know three knees nose this you start going through why do you keep doing it why would you keep doing it like well you just get it fixed it's people's stopping points become different you move you're talking you're talking about exactly the same mechanism

87:51it's a rewiring once you get once you get to that point where you know like everybody's like hey you should stop and you start driving on like things start getting rewired right you know and I don't know man humans adapt right yeah they adapt in the craziest ways well and you got to push yourself into that you got to put yourself into the Budd all right fine Tes on number five he just cracked number five hey eat some dicks man this is I'm in America we're not in Iraq anymore I can do what I want you bag of them over there for yeah I mean we got 30 more that's no problem you guys dick dick they don't they sell them in sacks now where do you um dick what do you uh what what is ex I've been meaning to ask you this your stuff's delicious but what the is going on in there what does Nitro mean nitrogen yeah it's infused in nitrogen uh uh our roster um David Cain over at

88:45uh Vim Miriam and cman coffee uh Warehouse he made a mechanism he and another engineer friend of ours that came in Joe and they Infuse nitrogen into the canning process and so there's gas there's gaseous nitrogen that's in here that causes little bubbles kind of like a Guinness likee effect and um I don't know the science behind it uh of how how it all works but it can only be canned it can't be bottled in the same degree to that um to to where we want to get it and I think those little bubbles get you a little high off caffeine better yeah is there any science behind that or is it just guess I know that's guess work that's my own science it's scientifical it tastes good it tastes great I'll tell you it gets you jacked I throw one of these down before I hit the gemm here here is some science they say that it's I I think David was telling me I could be wrong on this but I think he said

89:34there's three times the caffeine of a Red Bull which should be enough to stop your heart true is that true how is that possible that would kill you man should stop your heart what's the numbers stop it you what are the numbers of this little how many milligrams or X's of your uh weed brownie do you I mean I'm kill some people kill some people Joe the weak ones when it comes to weed edible weed I'm a moderate need to talk to Joey Diaz he's a radical I'm a moderate he almost killed his poor guy that's what I'm saying Le tried to hang with him and I was and I was like you've become no not just even tried to hang with him Joey mixes up the Edibles he'll take a 500 milligram one pull it out of the wrapper put it in a 200 mgram one and tie it up and hand it to him so he's more than double do oh yeah he do you would call kind that behavior though that sounds awesome to

90:29me that's right in my wheelhouse will you tell me before we get off Wing suits man like how did you go from uh from being a hobbyist and kind of a professional training guys to how to get in Wing suits let him ask that but before we forget about this how many milligrams are we talking about in this caffeine cuz isn't a red Bill like 200 Mill is equivalent to like three cups of CFE I'll see if D hit me up right now yeah yeah see if he has this been tested we'll test it hey we're doing it right now Joe well I mean like like a laboratory I don't think we're it's been tested for a lot of different things but very scientific study going um Gang Green I think uh we should probably find out I want to know where you went into like an altruistic idea of going I want to help these guys in in the Navy SEAL foundation and and where that whole idea came from and you're

91:17like here's I want to still serve and how can I serve cuz the reason you're not is you're medically discharged right and so then you're like how do I keep being a soldier in this way how did you get medically retired you know uh so I was in for a one month shy of 17 years so 16 years and 11 months I figure the govy can spot me 30 days so I just say 17 years uh but it was a you know it's bumps and bruises along the way uh a bunch of combat deployments blown up a few times close to breaching charges helicopter crashes vehicle crashes I got shot in the hip in 2005 so it's like a suck attach of injuries that add up you know ounces becomes pound become you're done you can't do it anymore uh so I got medically retired and this actually ties into the question that Tate asked me I got medically retired and when I first got out I got out the last day of June

92:052013 and I remember driving off the base I was like awesome you know all I ever wanted to do since I was a little kid is be a seal since I was 11 can't articulate why it's just what I knew I wanted to do and uh so I left I'm like this is this is awesome I got to do I got to prove myself I got to experience pre- 911 I got to experience wartime which a lot of guys hang their hat way too much on the combat stuff you know because it's it's really a matter of timing the guys after Vietnam before 911 got nothing it doesn't mean they're not good SEALS or good soldiers uh and I I felt like we had accomplished a lot like like I was saying like we had very black and white uh metrics for Success did we get the guy did we not get the guy so you can kind of rack and stack the stuff that you did throughout your career I was like cool didn't pay attention to a whole lot of stuff for like 6 months and

92:53then started watching the news after 6 months and it just it's like every story that I hear about Isis taking back radi you know starts in Northern Iraq and then they take back raditi it's like you know it's I equate it to watching the tide go out it just a little bit at the time but the problem for me is that that tide that's eroding is the literal Blood Sweat and Tears of people that I was with and people that I still know they're overseas and even though I'm out of the military now like I'm never going to lose that desire to fight like I you know I want to go over there and kill those people I do I think about it every day every day I wish I could go over there and just canoe somebody's head for threatening our country and what we stand for people can hate me for that if they want to I don't give a that's that's what I stand for it's who I am you well you're very

93:41open about it there's not a lot of people express it in such an honest and and open way what kind of repercussions have you had from talking about it like that to my face nothing of course on the internet people go they'll lose their sh I'll get fed in the comments on oh yeah well right now I'm sure if we opened up Twitter it would probably be a blood bath but here's the thing though but it's nonsense I think it is nonsense man because how can you know to put my like like to put yourself in one like every guy that I know man and I've had the pleasure and to to know a few guys that are in spec ops in that way they there's not anybody that hasn't seen that's so horrific and that is like there's people that need to get erased and I'm with that thinking man and and God bless you you know I think I'm open with it because I finally came to the conclusion that I don't have any

94:28time in my life to be anything other than myself and the one thing that I do know about myself is I know what I believe in and I believe in enough to fight for it and I believe in enough to die for it and I certainly believe in enough to end other people's life for it and I don't care if people like that or not that's but that's me you know I would love to see you have a conversation because you're so intelligent and articulate I would love to see you have a conversation with like a hardcore pacifist I could turn a pacifist into a violent person very easy I just put a gun to their kid's head they're not a pacifist anymore I've seen plenty of pacifists who fight for their life there's a lot of hippies that talk all that pie tell somebody scuffs their toes well it's the idea I think what we're moving towards as a race I think we're moving away from being

95:08cavemen to moving to some higher ideals which like we're talking about today is the safest time pretty much ever in human history yeah it's about as safe as it can get more people than ever before but the likelihood of you experiencing violence is probably lower than ever before still exist of course but there's less of it and statistically it's like almost obsolete but I don't don't you feel that the I mean people still need to feel accountable it's like the only that if you find a real that's over 30 years old that guy's never been punched in the mouth at a certain point people got to find their accountability and it takes sometimes for some dudes they just need to get xed out well there's a lot of people that don't they've never experienced any kind of violence or any kind of conflict and because of that they're really flippant about with their words you know and then

95:53they get in front of the computer screen you know I mean and that and that's the thing like go ahead why saw a guy take a picture of Chuck of uh Rashad Evans rather you know Rashad there's a famous photo Rashad when he was knocked out by leoa Macha and this guy handed him this photo with a big smile on his face and asked him to sign it it's like one of the most painful moments of Rashad's career and uh you know this guy standing right in front of Rashad and Rashad grabbed the picture and crumpled it up right in his face and like looking at him like dude what the are you doing smash well he couldn't I know I mean if I'm standing withad like saying but but you know what I'm saying but here's a guy that like just put that in the Revenge know but he knows that he's going to get away with this like this is a guy who doesn't respect the doesn't respect what he's in

96:43standing in front of like you you're petting a lion like you you just smack the line in the face you just you did just did something reprehensible man a professional fighter at the highest C I mean he former world champion and you're you're standing in front of him mocking him with one of his most devastating defeats and that that comes from not experiencing conflict not not being punched in the face not well because you're you can't punch somebody in the face Joe everybody you're special everybody's special like I want a participation in Trophy just for this conversation you will get one we one we will all three of us get an equal particip drinking one right now well you and I have talked about this Tate that like uh one of the things that we appreciate about guys who have trained and guys who uh have competed even more so yes is that they have there some of the I mean there

97:32there's outliers there's douchebags but for the most part pretty respectful people are pretty cool yeah I mean fun and competitive but there's a lot of hob hobbyists maybe you'll find a few in there but but guys that are competitors man that's rare I don't you know it doesn't come up cuz you have to face your demons in order to get better and you can't pretend you can't pretend and know what it is you know what it is to have laid yourself all out there and not come up rich on the day you know you know what it is you how many black belts in Jiu-Jitsu if you met God damn it's not even 1% yeah no it's not even 1% and here's the thing though now more and more there's more people that are becoming black belts that shouldn't be pry now maybe that there's a lot of people that I really don't like that are out there that get black belts and that they don't they've never competed this idea that

98:18like everybody if you stick around long enough will get a black belt well no that you shouldn't you don't deserve a black belt like there's a lot of people that don't deserve black belts man you know what I mean and you don't carry yourself like that I don't even care if you're the best guy on the mat you still don't deserve it if you don't carry yourself well in life or if you injure people intentionally T of things especially if you injure like blue belts like rolling against this guy's that was there was always a guy in one in every school that like will injure people and people will avoid them like get away from that guy I mean I value jiujitsu so much that I feel like if you're not carrying that well and representing that well and and you're a bully in the street or you're this or you're that like you need to walk right man that like that is a that

98:57that's an honorable thing God us you need to carry your shoulders and if you're not then that's a problem for me you know what though like like you're saying the guy who wanted him to sign a photo at one of his worst moments the guy asking him to sign that photo had he taken the effort and the thought and put the work in and of himself to become one of the black belts that you're talking about the less than 1% he never would have asked him to do it there's something in that exploration of who are that bring something out and I think it I I don't know it it drives me insane like my sons will have visceral physical experiences they will push themselves they will be competitors I'm not going to shy away from that they're not going to get a participation medal they're going to get told when their performance was subpar because that's the way the world is and I don't want

99:44them being that dude like hey here Joe you just got knocked out can you sign that picture like yeah how about when you get out of school and you find out that participating doesn't matter or in that way you know and that I think that's the difference though too with being a and to say it in a different way a participant versus a spectator like there's people that are about it and are about shining their life up into a whole different way don't want to have a common experience and all that stuff and they pushing themselves towards that end and then there's people that are just Spectators and you like that's why but they wear the T-shirt though T they have the same shirt on you all that F people be like oh no people people fight for the fans and this that I'm like you don't have any idea that makes me angry when people say that you should fight for the fans because you're

100:28not going to fight smart and fighting for the fans to put on a show is how you get brain damage and they don't care anyway the fickle no they don't care and they well they'll forget about you if you have a poor performance in your next fight if you get knocked out your next fight that defines you right how could you even do that how could you even get in there in the mindset of I'm going to get into lot have there's a lot of guys have there's guys that demanded standup fights because they're like that's more exciting so they weren't very good at striking and then but that when I was fighting at that time that was a huge thing when guys weren't very well-rounded they were really great wrestlers or great at this they wanted to show off their striking skills whether they were there or not and they put themselves in bad predicaments I have a friend who I I love dearly a

101:05great guy who was talking about he's a fighter he he made some crazy post about uh like uh technical striking like just get out there and bang and I was like Jesus Christ dude like what are you talking about like first all he meant get out there and bang lwig like to have that kind of technical yeah like you want to be a high level Striker like Bang I think he was just frustrated you was at a low point in his life when he said that but you that's not an option if you're fighting an Anderson Silva or you know a Goan saki or real technical yeah they hope you get crazy and come out and just yeah they're going to slice and nice you to pieces aren't they yeah you think you can do that to Floyd Mayweather you think no one's tried like of course they've tried when I put one on them it's gonna yeah try to put that two people have even hit him in his whole career

101:51you know I mean but this idea that you should do that and risk yourself and and bang it out to like be more exciting you're only being exciting to fools who don't understand what it is it's like saying forget about uh you know all the buildup to uh you know figure out you know is figure out a song that has like a buildup like um free bird forget all that buildup just go right into that guitar solo or forget about all the the is the chor jump into the chorus yeah butet all the parts of Rambo that set up the fact that he's angry let's just have a a two-hour movie of cut heads off one side of his lip up just that's the whole movie no it doesn't work that way that's not you know there's wild crazy moments in fights where guys decide to open up but they decide to open it's like it's a it should be a calculated risk fueled by emotion I I mean the best example of

102:41that that I remember seeing live is when we went and it was the first time I saw Anderson fight live and he fought Chris leben oh yeah and Chris is a Savage and he's great he's got good boxing he's powerful he's all that stuff and he was so outclass that he almost knocked himself out Anderson had such great footwork and he was so fluid that he would fall he fall down like six times without Anderson touching him like it was just like he'd load up for a punch and then Anderson wasn't there and then Chris is catching himself on the fence and I was like this is next level stuff well he was just it was a that was a perfect example of the two opposite ends right like one guy who's just hard ass powerful just tough goes after it every time face first and the other guy who's a master master it was just a master and a master of that moment too a master of staying calm in that moment and

103:32capitalizing and leoto was like that I mean saw leoto moov right out of the way Tito going for a double leg and it's just all face in the fence and it's like Leo's not there anymore so basically one guy's playing checkers and the other guy's playing chess yeah and the reality is with those guys is like there's there's guys out there that are better than that well that's the thing to reality stand up striking is when evolution like in five years those guys aren't even going to be relevant anymore they won't even be able to compete at the lower levels and that was an elite guy it's C you're going to see some guys in the UFC that have the kind of stand up that maybe like yson kly has or Georgio petan or maybe keano Reeves in The Matrix like you're going to see crazy crazy crazy shut up don't look at me like that shut up with you're not talking it's still the thing of you know this

104:19this idea that you're supposed to be doing it for the fans well which fans because the fans the people that actually understand and appreciate the technical aspect you do it for your teammates and for your coaches and you hope that you you can honor their flag did you see Timothy Bradley's fight this weekend the answer to the yeah that's the answer to the sorry to interrupt you that's okay that was the the yeah I was going to tell a way long more longwinded version of that but he just said he answered his own question did you see the Timothy Bradley fight this past weekend I didn't Teddy Atlas is his coach now W Teddy Atlas came out of retirement for Timothy Bradley and Timothy Bradley put on the best performance of his career and T and Teddy Atlas is screaming at him in between Corner in the in the corner in between rounds like before he stopped him and he's like are you ready for the

105:05fire the fire's coming we're firemen we don't we don't run away from the fire we run towards the fire we live in the fire you see Timothy br's like yes coach yes coach and he just goes out there and he just Stellar performance best performance of Timothy Bradley's career but it's this appreciation of the technical aspect being coached by a real master Teddy Atlas and a guy who he really respects he's like he was talking about it before the fight like no cell phones in the gym no no music no nothing put all that aside there's no one in there it's just him and Teddy Atlas and they showed them working together just those two yep yeah just working just working Ms working and me know also you know sparring partners and all that stuff too but like when when they're there working there's no and showing pictures play play this because this is this is intense this is

105:51intense is coming are you ready for the fire we're firemen we are firemen got it the heat doesn't bother us we live in the heat we train in the heat yeah go it tells us that we're ready we're at home we're where we're supposed to be flames don't Intimidators what do we do we control the flame we control them we move the flame where we want to and then we extinguish I want to go beat someone's ass right now extinguish I got Goosebumps what's go that's like Coach man Jack Greg Jackson was like that we get comfortable where other men are uncomfortable you got to become make that make that discomfort your living room but Hees he's screaming and he's got that scar across his face where he's been bottled but he's getting the reaction he's looking for like it's an effective he's he's firing that dude up I me before you jump and that you're explaining that like what do you think

106:45like I was talking uh W with Brandon with uh Brandon Gibson about it and like the idea of to throw all caution to the wind and let your training take over and get into that place cuz you see guys fight too cautiously and when a guy walks out savagely like you and you see that like with a Vander Le Silva never had a problem doing that right and and and what do you think that to throw yourself into that experience without being thoughtful of it does training take over and and take care of you it's it depends on who you're fighting too you know some guys you can some guys you can do that too and some guys you can't like how about vanderlay versus crocop like it didn't work you can't do that crocop was just such a much better technical Striker and Vander was jacked he was like 218 just uh he was a 99% Mexican supplements going in there he was barely a human suppl he's come in there guns

107:36blazing it just didn't he's not a Mexican he's Brazilian that's where you get that though Mexico bro you get it from Mexico what do you think when you jump I mean you might be underwhelmed sometime not a lot but I think is a different thing because the only opponent is your nerves and your mind and worried about I wonder was uh if it translated to other avenues of that kind of fighting is like the technical aspects of fighting are so unique and that you have all these choices of how to engage what to do what I to agree and then you have to you got to shuffle those based off of what you're seeing like yeah I mean it and you guys micro decisions all the time guys are unpredictable and diverse you wonder why I think you guys are nuts like I tell you man I like I I think every I don't know to me I think every little boy out there is like man it dope to be a Navy SEAL or whatever or all

108:25that kind of stuff man I I I mean I got such an admiration for you dude for sure yeah for sure I mean that's that's one of the most difficult and dangerous things a human being can choose to do and I I get offended a little bit when you go oh no what you guys it's like I don't understand at all what you guys go through and like the the positions that you've been in the kind of consequences that are there your brother's lives in your hands and God bless you man I think Andy might be a little might be a little humility here Tate don't be so sensitive all right don't get a little offended either get a lot offended or don't get offended just it's just there's no comparison being sensitive is a part of it though right it's like the emotions and the whole thing it's an interesting life to lead yeah but the most important question of today is how do I get you out of an airplane it's not

109:12happening actually no way do a lot of already Che you CH cuz I feel like I feel like it's like going swimming with the guys that are the best Waterman in the world it's kind of like nobody better to save me you can go I'll put you I'll put you in the harness backwards excited about it after you told me that everybody who invented those things is dead that's I didn't say I'm going to take you for a Wings suit I'm not going on a wing suit that's your mind that's where it's going listen you don't know me we'll we'll walk we'll walk hand in hand together right I'll put you backwards in the harness that's me too let that go let that go like CU you can't see your ass at all in this by the way that kill Cliff stuff that is fuing delicious is that all like spored or created by military people like who former who the founder and then the president I don't know how they're sending it to me but

110:02they've been sending that to me forever people send me I don't even know how they get my address but I get that that stuff is good that I mean that shit's fun right there going so they're sponsoring you this is a kill Cliff so this was all based around I never got I never answered T's question so like the footage the first jump you watched that was all based as a fundraiser he actually was uh talking with you it I think on like 705 or something like that he's like hey you want to jump out of plane you're like that guy exactly so uh Kil Cliffe they're my sponsor for jumping and they have a commitment to the Navy SEAL Foundation of $250,000 a year to try to give back to the guys you know and when Tate asked me like how did I come up with the idea of doing something to raise money it all comes to the fact that like I can't get rid of like I was telling you about my

110:52desire to go fight and do and continue to stay involved but I can't physically do it anymore so the only thing I could think of to do was to do something to try to help the guys who are doing it and this is what I normally do so I just tried to tie the two together what are the injuries that keep you from doing like how you seem like so fit you're doing on this video showing you doing all these chinups and Rowing and all this crazy so I can't feel my left leg from the kneecap down I have from I got so the round missed my femur but F what an experience they I know if it clipped the sciatic nerve or you know have you ever seen the gelatin that gets shot by a bullet and has the shock waves either way it short circuited the electrical circuitry down my leg so from the point of impact all the way down to my foot it was just completely fried I had drop foot for a year what's drop

111:36foot can't pick your foot up I could always dorsiflex I could always put down push my foot down but I couldn't lift my foot up so I had to like have a little plastic brace underneath my foot who it was it was gnarly uh and then for about 6 months it felt like I dipped my leg in gasoline and lit it on fire yeah this is just promo stuff leading up to it uh so basic what I can do is I mean I can hide it really well it happened over 10 years ago so I can train around it and I try to stay as physically fit as possible so I can keep doing this stuff longer so to this day that leg is still numb from the kneecap down yeah the sciatic part of the nerve when it wraps over the top it's really bizarre like you can scratch your fingernails across it and I'll get a delayed sensation but it happens like six or seven seconds later it feels super odd and when it first happened I'd

112:21be distracted during the day daytime and then I would lay down at at at night time to try to go to sleep and it was it was it was hell like I could it would just felt like my leg was on fire and you know I went and I got that's actually how I found CrossFit was rehabbing from the injury because the Navies was like peret right you know Viking in Ambien something else that was blue and I'm just like right Viagra probably that last blue one probably that's what you wanted to do when you're all jacked up on per like Captain Morgan right then I'd go Captain Morgan it's fun yeah that'd be a good experiment so I'd fist the bottle of Captain Morgan every night and I'd go down the bottles I would I was taking like four or five ambient and not being able to sleep like that's how far I was playing around with my own pharmaceutical uh Buffet if you will for how long about 6 months they had me on

113:16anti-seizure medicine for kids which has a secondary side effect of neuropathic pain control uh but it also uh suppresses your central nervous system functioning so I I still remember the day we were living in Virginia Beach and my my wife asked me a very simple math question and I just was like I couldn't do it whoa and so I was like okay and I I got myself and that's you know I started going to the gym and just working out on my own and I weed myself off all the stuff and had to really graduate myself off the anti-seizure stuff because you can't just stop why why' they have you on anti-seizure stuff because the the medicine had a secondary effect of neuropathic pain control so they were trying to control the burning in my leg but there was nothing that could really Target it directly so it was for kids but if I had just stopped cold turkey it would have drastically

114:02increased my likelihood of just having a seizure even though I'm not susceptible to do it so it took me about another six it was it was it was gnarly like my I can't imagine the my wife put up with I would literally drink all night and just play you know Pez dispenser with the variety of colors that would come at me couldn't sleep sleep during the daytime I mean it was a mess were you doing when you were up and just surfing the internet I mean I I don't even remember I was just loaded you know and it was there wasn't a lot of uh there wasn't a lot of mechanisms for support back then it was 2005 it was a little bit earlier than the the med the medical systems that are in place now I mean I I still have never had a surgery I've never had stitches they left everything in uh and some of it works its way out over time uh they flew me to Germany mean like fragments yeah I got

114:50about 300 pieces of frag in my left leg and then the round is still in my pelvis uh it was gnarly I mean I is there a reason to leave it in there or so because there's retained Ferris metal in my body they can't really image me with the magnets to get a precise location so they gave me the option when I was in the hospital in Baghdad they're like hey you know we can try to take it out I'm like okay please describe to me tell me more what does this process look like they're like okay tube down your throat Knock You Out flip you over on stomach two-dimensional x-ray start cutting in through your ass pulling apart looking for the stop right there that's good for me yeah so I was like made a good choice Andy yeah I'm like can you please describe to me the possible consequences of leaving in he's like oh yeah well the body will encapsulate it in calcium and

115:36as long as you don't have bone contact with the metal you should be fine I'm like well man why didn't you leave with that sounds awesome that seems like nothing in comparison there's a hard spot in my ass so anybody who's complaining about that let me tell you about what I've been through re my ass is there a golf ball in your ass so I left it yes and no yeah I left it flew to Germany stayed in the hospital in Germany for 2 days checked myself out of the hospital took a taxi to the airport flew home and was home like 48 hours after it happened whoa and my Squadron was still for deployed so I was kind of on a little bit of an Island by myself not by any malicious intent of anybody but I was just they're like I mean that was the Navy's thing they're like here this is the solution to your problem like it out oh yeah go figure it out yeah and you know what can they do

116:21other than that you would have be like a project they would have to have a bunch of people trying to help you like I said it was early you know I think now they probably have a protocol maybe specifically for neuropathic pain control that they've learned over you know over the decade that that we've been fighting like look at amputations right you never used to survive a single let alone a double amputation but now medical advances are so far down the road that you know triple and quad amputees are actually surviving which would never make it off the battlefield so maybe they have something now that that would help but that was it and then so I basically started working out and would exhaust myself and that's how I would sleep and that's how I found CrossFit and got introduced to the founder because they were founded in my hometown so with nerve damage there's

117:04like a tiny amount of improvement that you get one millim a day yeah that's that drop for coming back right that's why it takes that so long it takes that long and the doctors guys who had gone for you know multiples of the number of years of school that I have under my belt would be like I don't know maybe that's the answers that I would get I'm like hey man am I going to be able to walk again and they'd be like perhaps it's a it's a practice not a science wow now as your drop foot cleared it's better I can hide it like if uh it's funny like if I wear more like a jassy shoe you can hear my left foot hitting a little bit more but what really gets me and was one of the biggest things for my military retirement is that I have a really hard time controlling a roll of the ankle to the outside and the majority of the time when we're overseas I'm heavy I'm like

117:48body weight plus 80 to 120 lbs on my back right so you get that off-kilter at all and I've snapped my angle over so many times almost to the point where I almost called a metac in it was just like purple in the size of a great fruit I just couldn't do it anymore you know this people have like an abstract idea of what it's like to do what you guys do with a a heavy pack on if you never wore a pack like I I work out with a 40 lb weight vest sometimes and I can't wait to get that thing off it it doesn't we trip that triple that go for a 5 km walk ergonomic right like those weight vests are to your body not something extended off you're off balance now hide around a corner and think about I'm going to access enemy heavy ass pack on it I mean we packed that elk out that's out there in the hallway I I had that on my back I probably had like 16070 lbs in it but I only had to walk a

118:40half a mile which that weight at a half a mile would destroy you and I was exhausted and I couldn't and I'm like well these are going 5 km a day with more than that on their back shot at build you up like my friend cam cam haes he uh to prepare for elk hunting he he takes a rock he has this 135lb rock and he puts it in a backpack he straps himself in and he goes up mountains with it I've seen and he's got a particular Rock I've seen his Instagram and he's like he's like yeah got the rock today ands he's got to have a name for it he probably does now he probably won't tell you probably some curse you're on your own you're on your own to train for us like you can do there's guys who do the triathlete route there's guys who do the Arnold route there's guys who did the crossover route the functional like it's everything in between they just put that pack on you and send you out now are

119:31these like uh do they have like load lifters are they like like packs harnesses I mean so I had a I basically made my own because I had all my special things that I wanted to take with me and they would only fit in like the Vietnam what a special thing they have missiles that I showed you the video oh my god did I send you that video no what video is this it's awesome man there's there's these that have come and attack the base and then they go out just far enough where they know a rifle round one get to them you texted me that yeah those are the things what are those called Javelin missiles a javelin missile and so you found boxes of those right so wellburn was telling me something about this yeah so I went over there and I went to the school to fire those things and I was on the east coast and forgot about it and we got to Afghanistan in 2010 and I'm looking

120:16around I'm like those are Javelin missiles son of a I need to find a launching me mechanism for those things so I went to an army unit and traded them straight up for a half shell ballistic helmet cost $400 for the launcher cost 50,000 we did a straight up trade I think I got a good deal pretty good deal took it back to the base and then hooked the thing up test fired one to make sure it was all still good to go and then just started carrying him in the field with me but I had to make a backpack that would carry him because I would carry two of the javelins and then I'd have my 300 wi mag on top of that too so that's that was my special things that I took with me Jesus Christ all right I just sent it to you that is rad those missiles are gnarly this thing this thing that that like set this up so then you're where when you're firing this and you hit that truck the

121:03truck was like 2 and a half kilm away on a hill but I mean I I think I ended up shooting like 12 or 13 of those things they're about 150 thou pop money well spent $150,000 a pop and you shot 12 of them she shot a million dollars worth of round Plus in an afternoon you're welcome not in afternoon it was like an 8mon time perod was it but dude they were so devastating because again we're not fighting dumb people the idiots that'll go in the street and shoot an AK-47 at a predator they were gone like a week into the conflict right it's a mature theater of war and they're like oh these guys have 5.56 they can't hit us so we'll lob 762 in so they'll stay out at like you know 1500 2,000 lob PK rounds in which is basic you know 300 Win Mag is right cuz you're Hunter it's basically a belt-fed 300 Win Mag gnarly it will get your head down well these Miss can go out to like 3 km so I would

121:54go out there and I'd let these guys sit up in High Ground positions and they'd be overwatching our guys in the low ground and I'd wait till they got a group of them together and then I would just send one of these things it's they're designed to uh hit tanks they're an anti-tank it's got a double shaped charge the first one's supposed to go through the smile on his face when he starts describing this round I love those things I wish I had one at home but you would want to shoot it you'd try want to find a Target I would I but I'd get I'd go to jail but I still would shoot uh I need I think I need one of these newos oh I'll have one of these with you do we have a bottle opener CH oh we got a lighter so I'd let these guys go out there man and I'm not even getting into the best part of the story because it's right before it hits that's the best part of the story the uh you know I got

122:38tired of getting shot at and having an organic weapon on me that couldn't reach him so I started bringing them right and you know if you want to end a firefight you shoot one of these things I I can't describe how loud it is freedom to do that I mean to be like getting at me and I can't get at them and you're like you know what here's my solution to you can't get them so they're just like like wow oh what's up and you did you you launched this thing yeah they're like you're just beyond my reach you're like oh really and Joe here's the best part it has two two settings it has top attack or direct attack so it'll go up and come straight down so you're not even safe hiding behind things or it'll go direct attack right at the guy regardless the best part of it is is about a quarter of a second before it hits they make o face right they're doing their thing they go and they're

123:25done best part about it which is better for you the top or the direct top when they're hiding behind stuff and then direct if they how do you judge the drop uh it just depends on what you CU it's a it's a thermal camera you're looking through the Warhead after you activate it you lock it on by making this box get smaller it flashes crosshairs and then you pull the trigger and it will hit whatever is the crosshairs are on so you just look at the terrain and where they're at and then you no you have to pick you have to pick when you shoot so like if they were hiding behind a wall or something that I you know I didn't have a direct access to them I would just drop it in over the top but you can drop it right where they are James you got that video it doesn't come yet what do you think of that beard right there it's delicious it's godamn good that's why we make that in New

124:10Mexico that's one of my joints is it yeah nice yeah so Joe those were my those were my special things you know damn dude but again I did that because it was out of necessity I was tired of getting shot at from a range I could do nothing about and what I found was if you shoot one of those things they would leave us alone for the rest of the day it's the same it's the same Theory as why would you kill a fly with a sledgehammer is so the other flies take notice not because the sledgehammer is any more effective than any any other weapon system it truly works so you Knowle I would say an argument was made that I saved Life by using this absolutely I would think that too and I think that what's awesome is that you had the autonomy to be able to do that whereas like if you're a regular Soldier you probably don't get choices like that they're just like suck it up

124:52you'd be you'd be running that up the uh the train of Command right for sure I think what's interesting too is what you told me uh that one day at the gym when you when I asked you about PTSD and things like that and and that's fascinating to me and uh and I'd heard I don't know who it was speaking about it but they said that PTSD wasn't really they don't like it being called PTSD that it's because it's not I hate it I don't like the D on the end because it's not a disorder right that's what that's what this guy was saying that it's not a disorder that it's a thing that is uh going to pass by and that you can get through that's not not it may not pass by it's like we were talking about the mechanisms that change right in your body the it's not a disorder if you get sick and you don't get a fever that is a disorder if you get sick and you get a fever that's totally normal so if you go

125:35out and you do these things that are not necessarily considered normal or you push yourself beyond that threshold and there's a reaction that your body has is that dis disorder I don't think so at all I think it should be expected a time for you to adapt uh and be able to heal from some of the stuff you know but as soon as you label it disorder people shut down so do you think like by defining it in that way that it limits how people recover from it I don't well I think by defining it as disorder you're completely mischaracterizing it because it's not I think it's a natural reaction of the human body to being in some of those environments so do you think that like the way that you used to describe like shell shocked that's probably like better I don't know if it's necessarily better I you know maybe don't put a maybe don't put a precise definition on it maybe just work on

126:18having a better understanding that maybe you guys are going to need some time and some more so than others because and I think this is was Tate was getting at in the special ops Community I think the instance of post-traumatic stress is much lower because we are in control of what we do like I the horrific environments that I saw some of these guys getting into like in Afghanistan in 2010 was a sequential series of the most dangerous months because of IEDs improvised explosive devices throughout the history of the conflict up to that point Vehicles were just getting vaporized and some of these army guys had a job of patrolling up and down Route One which is the main Corridor in Afghanistan and they would get in these vehicles and sit there and wait and maybe something would happen and maybe it wouldn't maybe it hit the vehicle in front of them maybe it hit the vehicle

127:05behind them maybe it would go low order and it just flip them over and them all up but they're sitting there when you say they're waiting they're waiting to be attacked they're in the back they're sitting there and I can't even imagine the the the the geometry going on in the brain of trying to just just Rectify that and just dealing with they're basically waiting to be victimized I don't like to describe it like that because I I don't think that's the right term but I maybe my vocabulary is not deep enough to describe it better but they're sitting there waiting for an event to occur to them they have to be reactionary yeah and for us uh I heard a psychologist describe it once it's called the locus of control like so the guys in the tin can they don't have any control they're waiting when we go and like I said we have a much more structured much more regimented Target

127:48deck much more regimented success or failure when I go 99.9% of the time that I've been involved in a violent event overseas it was at my control I initiated the violence because I'm going to come to you at the most advantageous time for me and the least advantageous time for you it's going to be nighttime I'm going to exploit all the advantages that I have and I'm not going to fight fair like that's the way it goes and I control that and so after I mean just imagine the difference between the two being the pitbull or the guy whose ass is in the pitbull's mouth I mean like that's in my mind and again this is just me talking about it I think that's why there's such a huge or not a huge but a greater instance of post-traumatic stress in those units that had little to no control over what was going on right like the the instance of that one guy that was was having a bunch of uh he was

128:40diagnosed several times with PTSD been deployed and then wound up killing all those civilians that was the one of the most horrific and um one of the most popularized uh in incidence of someone quote unquote snapping yeah and it's that same kind of thing right like just constantly waiting for something to happen dealing with being attacked with no control and you're just you know what I mean like I mean they were burying 2,000 PB charges that would flip these multi-on 2,000 lb charges yeah so Afghanistan in 2003 we rode around in hux trucks with no armor whatsoever because there was no threat of an IAD on the ground and then we started doing armored humies but the overmatch or the the size of the charge that will destroy a hum is like 4 lb cuz it's flat right so then they went to the v-shaped right which the theory is it deflects it out so those survive for a while and then

129:32they're like well 50 lbs didn't work let's try 500 500 didn't work let's try 2,000 and it flips them hundreds of feet into the air and there's people inside of those things I've seen it where they inverted the V the V on the bottom ended up touching the top of the tro compartment in the back and that's what those guys are riding around in not knowing if like and I I can't I can't express enough the respect I have for the guys who did that because I couldn't do it I again I'd be back toothbrush six shooter which one's it going to be that mean I wouldn't be able to do it I'm not tuned to do that job it's it's such a crazy level of stress it's it's and that's why they snap I mean how there there's got to be everybody's got a cup that's going to overflow at some point and everybody's cup is a little bit different and some people develop mechanisms that help them lower down the

130:19amount in that cup and others don't is there any help for them while they're there does it is there any counseling or any like psychological training or Preparation training I can't speak to the conventionals but I can say it was there and available for us so I can only hope that it was there and available for them but do you want to admit that in front of your peers you know what I mean there's some stigmatism that come with I mean it's it's a very well I'd heard that too is that like if I go to say hey man I'm having some psychological stuff from here then you're unfit to lead anymore if you're in a command position because they can't put you back in because if something happens then somebody can come back and say he came and said that he wasn't so it's like you kind of take yourself out of a job if you admit that is that not right or something like that you can depending on

131:03how far down the road it goes because obviously if you're complaining about or not complaining about but if you're trying to receive help for a certain level of again I don't want to say a problem a certain level of issues that you're trying to deal with at some point that impedes your judgment and they have to make the right call sure but the guys who are overseas they don't want to get like one of the things that irritated me the most about getting hurt is because I got pulled out of the fight and I wasn't I wasn't done like I said like to this day Joe if I could go get on airplane and go overseas and and affect some Difference by going getting back on target I would do it you know almost everyone who does what you do says that that's my friend Jody midic he lost both his legs from the knees down he's a Canadian Special Forces sniper and he's like I love

131:44soldiering he's like I would love to get back in there and Soldier more if I could and I don't know why I can't articulate that but just like I can't articulate I wanted to be a seal since I was 11 you know I don't it's just it's some something in me and the people that I worked with that that's just the way that it is is it just because it's life turned up to 10 the consequences are so high the I don't think so I don't think so for me I mean I to be honest with you I don't enjoy operating and living in environments where you're constantly at risk of losing your life which is why I enjoyed being in control right like knew where we were going good intelligence was able to make a plan we were going execute our plan on somebody who didn't know we were coming right so in control uh I mean dude firefights can be scary is all hell especially start talking about like indoors close

132:30proximity like I don't enjoy living in that environment that sucks and I mean there's yeah there's terrifying stuff that happens it's so funny like you'll have an absolutely terrifying moment and then the funniest thing you've ever seen in your goddamn life happens all in the span of 60 seconds like what like dudes making entry in a room that they use for a bathroom so they slip and slide and fall in human and they come out dry heing and I'm just I'm laning up against the wall crying cuz I'm laughing so hard cuz they they go in they're like a badass and they come out they're just like and it happens in the span of 60 seconds and you're like what is going on Wow you know it's it's so hard to describe is that in a sense similar to this experience that you're getting while you're doing this this these jumps because it's everything is so intense everything is so cranked up I think

133:21I discovered my appetite for the focus and Clarity while I was in the military and I think maybe it was something that I couldn't articulate that when I was young that I knew that I was searching for and for whatever reason that particular occupation called me to do that but it definitely that occupation definitely refined that in me and I think I'm at a point now that if I don't have a way to find that focus it would negatively impact my life so yeah I I do think that there's a a tie in somehow I don't necessarily know if it's linear it does it's not necessarily the risk of life because uh you know I can feel very fulfilled without risking my life it's I don't know it maybe it's the the impending risk of your life that provides that Focus you know there's there's a connection there somehow I just can't articulate it but somehow they're tied when you express

134:14frustration and looking at what's happening right now places that the military had taken and controlled and now is loost control of now that we pulled out of Iraq and that we're pulling out of Afghanistan what do you think should have been done differently again you know hindsight being 2020 right I think occupation was a bad idea I you know it just it's not sustainable I mean what's happening to us in Afghanistan is exactly what happened to the Russians I mean it's really just moving the dates on a calendar until it's modern day well it's it's crazy terrain right I mean it's it's Nar it's the Hindu Kush and then sometimes it's desert like if you get down south in Kandahar there's places that are they're they're beautiful it's like it's desert and there's green and there's river valleys and then you get up into the Northeast like you know Abad and jbad and conar it's I mean it's you

135:06can barely walk up like you got to be have your billy goat qual to get up those Hills I mean it's it's no joke some of the most beautiful country I've ever seen in my life just seems like an insane place to try to occupy given the the fact that we know what happened with the Russians yeah well again I told you what I would do if I was king for a day that that decision was so far above my pay grade like but again we also have hindsight being 2020 I don't think that when they plan to go in there after 911 if you would have asked anybody involved in the planning process if we'd still be there in 2015 going into 2016 I don't think a single one would have been like yeah we're still going to be there well not just that but it seems like we're involved in an endless quack it just it doesn't seem like we're ever getting out of this because we've created so many

135:54enemies and that's why I would stop and pull every single person out of there you know what I mean it's not going to get it's that problem over there is not a problem that you're going to win via education via occupation it's just not going to happen yeah well what is going to happen is it just going to take generation after generation many lifetimes I mean it's going to go back to I in my personal assessment it's going to go back to being exactly what it was before we went they you know it's in like I said that the areas Afghanistan is a tribal Society they don't understand the Democracy that we're asking them to utilize you know we want them to play tennis but we're giving them golf clubs you know what I mean it just doesn't make sense to them and you know in kabo maybe it's it's largely successful because that's where a lot of the population is but as soon

136:38as you start splintering out to the areas that have no connection with Kabul like you know it it's there's no way that it's sustainable I think it's going to go back to being super tribal I think it's so strange too we go on with all these different ideas of like what it is that our objectives are and then those objectives um get muddied or changed throughout time and so it's kind of it's kind of like I mean just oversimplify it is like coming into a gym and going what are your goals here do you want self-defense do you want weight loss do you want and it's like those goals become like this malleable thing that like so now we're nowhere yeah don't spend too much time thinking about it too I don't man try to impact where I can which is right here well for us as civilians to be thinking about as one thing but for a guy like you RIS his life over there is walking around with a

137:22numb leg Yeah it's got to be even there's a much more intense connection to what's happening there is and again so to answer your question full circle like why did I start doing the wings suit stuff and why did I try to set the world record because I know I can't physically go over there like you know my my number one priority would be to go over there and get back in line with the guys and do it but I can't I mean that day is done for me so the wings suit thing and you know and it all comes from like I wake wake up in the morning and I watch the news I'm like God damn it like I want to do something and the only thing I can do now is support those guys which was the only reason that I wanted to try to break the world record because who gives a about a wing suit horizontal distance traveled it's totally irrelevant right that's why I did it as a fundraiser trying to raate

138:07money for the seal Foundation they told me you were going to donate 100K to you that's super generous of you I really appreciate that Joe and then uh he's pissed it's adorable no it's uh that me that's why I did because I I I can't get rid of that mechanism of like uh you know what I mean for me it felt like and when I did that and started going down this road of trying to give back to the community I started feeling better again about my station and where I fit in the bigger thing because although it's not direct it's indirect and those people that I'm trying to support are directly supporting them you know what I mean like that's the only way I could justify to myself substantive it's like it's like when you say don't overthink and it's like I really don't like all the stuff and all this like that is all amidst us I can exact change in the community and where I am and the people

138:54that I love and this and and like I think that what you're that's what's so when I met you man and it was just so inspiring that like the change that you can exact with what you're doing and with where it goes because you know like the the help that's out there and that's not help there and what the Navy SEAL Foundation does for guys is invaluable because our government fails them all the way they want everybody to rah rah the soldiers until the soldiers come home man and and uh the fight that you're in is vastly more important than than you being on the ground somewhere I think well it was one of the most disturbing things about doing these UFC fight for the troops is that we were raising money for the Intrepid center for excellence n the Nationals that's so that's where they sent me when I got medically retired yeah it was that was the best medical treatment I'd ever

139:36received in the military yeah I mean it's incredible but have you visited it by the way okay you should go man should it's right across the street from Walter Reed but I will tell you this is that Bethesda yes so it's uh Walter Reed directly across the street is Niko so if you're going to go over there like you need to strap in for what you're going to see because that is the landing point for people who come home up and you're going to see amputations you're going to see dudes who are three or four days from a really traumatic event in their life and what got me when I was there was not seeing the guys CU I was used to that it was seeing their parents like a father Wheeling his son into Bethesda for the first time checking him in he's got like bloody bandages on him like they're hooked up to all the machines and you can see that the dad is just destroy

140:21you know what I mean because his son is never going to be the man that he wanted to be again so I can't recommend to you enough that you go but you got to be ready it's it's an emotional event like it it crushed me my dad came out to visit me and it's tough man like I didn't expect that either like I didn't expect to have that I mean it I had to go sit down for a little bit I was just it just rocked me because I can only imagine what happened when my dad got the phone call that I got hurt you know cuz I I get hurt they're like morphine DH 2 L bottle here's a cell phone call your wife I'm like drooling on myself hey honey I'll be home in 36 hours you know and then she had to call my dad you know and then I can only imagine what that would be based off how much I love my sons that oh that gun- wrenching moment when you get the call hey your son's okay but God damn yeah the um what I was

141:15going to say was that the Intrepid needed someone like the UFC to raise the money right so disturbing like privately funded yeah how is that not taken care of by the government how do they have all this money to build like did you say that Pentagon built some $43 million gas station they can't justify why they spent so much money oh my God I read that too they can't account for it it doesn't work yeah z% of the vehicles there use that type of fuel and they can't find the funding anyway like I mean I remember when I was a kid and it's like you'd hear it all the time that that a hammer cost $600 if you buy and stuff like that and it's like man with that kind of graft and nepotism and that goes on and then these guys are D are you kidding me right now well these there's so many people I mean that's always been the biggest issue with bureaucracy right there's so many

142:01different people that have their hands in the system and they're not accountable like when you pay your taxes you don't get a receipt totally you know hey Tate they they used to yeah I want I want you know most of my money to go to education I like a little bit to go to fixing the streets no you don't you don't get that option they're just like thank you and they thank you and we'll do whatever the we want to do this money we're notable at all so you know you think $43 Million worth a theft okay if you work for Costco and $43 million is missing Andy get into the office please yes we are missing a few pieces of chicken nuggets would you like to explain yourself $43 million missing a gas station which is supposed to cost a half a million dollars to build cost 43 million totally so please tell us what happened uh you know taxes got to go you know no you you'd have to be

142:48responsible you'd have to be accountable but this is just a blurb in the news and it'll be replaced tomorrow by some new you know whatever some start a new disaster I mean that's where I think about conspiracies we'll start a new disaster so it takes you to focus off that that happen and meanwhile Niko is asking for money because they're having problems fund you know funding the organization and I'm telling you it was the best it was the single reason that I got medically retired I didn't have enough stuff in my medical record I went there for 30 days had a doctor assigned to me my my exit interview was like 4 hours long 50 pages from blood work to Bone stuff to arthritis I mean it was insane I could do Chiropractics I could do acupuncture all the stuff that I never would have thought that I could do and it was all because of the benevolence of others I mean yeah it's

143:33all privately funded yeah have you ever been down to uh San Diego and seeing the uh SEAL training no you want to go down yeah all right I can you can take I've been down to I flew with the Blue Angels once which is off San Diego you know you go out to you backseat ride yeah it was awesome I threw up I threw up too you know I didn't I didn't throw up until the end though I was so disappointing in myself I I kept it together until the end and then I relaxed too much and then I threw up yeah it's like I I held it solid up until the end and then the end warn you before you guys start man the end I was it was like less at the end that I threw up than I had been through before but I just thought it was the hard part was pretty much over but then you got to you got to be what's hard about it what goes on stress it's the G's and what got me is not in the turns there was about 6

144:19seconds after the turns like your inner ear is adjusting and then you're just like you know how when you getting choked you know how you getting choked you kind of like see the lights going dark well this is a a slow version of it a slower version cuz you know if you get choked if someone like has you in a rear naked it's only like a second or two you have to tap before you go out but this is like three or 4 seconds but it's like an elevator door like you know an elevated do closing you literally see the black on both sides you're hit the button you're like open up and it goes sh and then it comes back and then what do hit a button you're saying the elevator doors are shutting but then they come out of it you're like hitting the open button so it comes back out so you're you're hooking so you're holding on to the straps you go like this you're forcing the blood into your

145:04brain and I'm hearing the pilot and he's doing it too I'm like oh he's not doing it like a they're getting after it those guys are dead cuz they're not wearing a git yeah they don't wear gits they can't it'll interfere with their controls of the airplane I want the bus driver conscious all the time they're all jacked all those guys are like pit bulls because you have to be physically strong to be able to do that like there's a lot of physicality involved in flying one of those it's an fa18 is that what it is fa8 Hornet y I can't imagine cuz I know guys that even race uh race track cars and they're just from turning and they'll be completely bruised and up they'll wear harnesses to keep themselves straight and all that can't imagine what an airplane that's doing 4G like that's crazy we went six and a and that's just cuz that's all my ass could take like those guys they that category too

145:55that I was like um I would like to not do any more of those turns and also wears the inflight bag and it's like it would be harder for you than it is for me cuz I'm only 5'8 you're like what three 63 when you get the taller you are the more distance between your heart and your brain it's harder to get that blood up there short dudes like me like all the all the fighter pilots are like 58 5 10 so like when Top Gun happened and then everybody tried to join the Air Force or whatever it was or the Navy to fly best recruiting tool for the Navy ever before their window was like 57 to 5'11 and then they're like nope 5'9 and one quarter or else you're not welcome because there were so many people that wanted to join and that's that's why that height is they they want that height for that reason I thought it was the cockpit size or it's I think it's a lot of it is being able to control well

146:43obviously different planes they use different things and some planes do use gits and but when every plane except for the blue Angels actually does yeah so that's it's easier if you wear a git but when you're jacked like those dudes like all of them are like these Pitbull dudes and because of that they can force that blood they can stay conscious and deal with a lot of pressure that crazy you know like some Larry Bird type dude is just not going to be able to H he's going to go out and what's insane is while they're dealing with that pressure their airplane is from me to Joe yeah like they're looking at a single rivet on the aircraft that's their marker as a single rivet so they're like H like Joe's talking about and just you know formation flying no big deal 300 knots formation flying formation flying so they're they're like really close to each other really really close I seen

147:31them when I was a little kid I remember seeing them see them come down swoop in and they're like right their wings are damn near overlapping it looks like I mean visually it's crazy well I remember I mean there's been many many times where especially like in other countries they've done those air shows and collided with each other and then they go into the crowd and the did you see the guys with the jet suits or the jet I sent you that link on Twitter I sent you too same night I saw it man these they got jetpacks and they're flying next to like a dc10 or something next level no it's the new Airbus these dudes in Dubai it's the next level they got rigid Wings they're doing a formation flight with Airbus they have jet packs and how far can they fly I think they can fly for about 30 minutes whoa they were changing positions going around the plane dude it's crazy Jamie find that it

148:16shouldn't be hard that's like next level stuff 30 minutes is a long time and they can go up and then they can they can glide they can turn the Jets off and they Glide down cuz it's a rigid Wing structure on their back when I was in Denver oh here's a guy here so here's oh dude this is crazy this is so these guys are flying how high are they uh let's take a look here I mean that's like airplane height that's lower though that's probably sub 10 yeah oh sub 10 okay now that's a guy that's looking at a picture on TV on the ground how crazy is this my God these guys are just flying they have Jets now how are they going 150 300 how fast are they go they're in the hundreds they're not you probably topping out of 200 my God this is insane your lips are just flapping you got a full screen maybe yours bro maybe yours yours will look at those big old things those things would be

149:04flapping Like Biscuits you Kidd me my my lips have a lot of power behind them bro mm I heard whoa there that's over that manmade Island area that's sinking dude what this is nuts man this is all Dubai right you could just do anything you want the people who pay for this just walk out to the desert and pull out $100 bills so this is insane looking at these guys with these suits on they're essentially like human airplanes this isn't just a jetpack this is like comic book yeah Madness totally spraying Chemtrails all over the people of Dubai y look at that they are chemtrailing look at this oh my God they just separate look at that guy what is happening here wow that is Madness next level right there well how long before that becomes like something we see all the time I think it's cost prohibitive oh is it you but right now right six years Skydive duai that's a place you can go right now

149:59they two dropti veyon I know what you're doing next into the parking lot dude they yeah you know the deal with money over there is insane like you you've never seen so many million dollar cars in your life like they're all over the place amazing like that when you're like oh you know I remember asking you a long time ago I'm like what's it like having money like that and you're like it's like everything's free and it's like for those guys what is that like like human life is free like anything is free like it doesn't matter like a $10 thing 50,000 for them it doesn't M it really like you meet those really rich guys like that well those are those guys also they're their wealth isn't public it's not like you know everyone talks about the wealthiest people in the world oh yeah they're not sharing that information ring and stacking orbs eat dick dummy you guys are you even

150:47Kings yeah you wear a tie around I'm wearing leopards yeah we have so much money we have so much money that we don't need a list we got leopard skull Cog pieces have you seen my diamond encrusted Ferrari it's just diamonds yeah well I remember there was a great story on TV once about this chick that uh she ratted out the Sultan of brunai good idea yeah what terrible idea that's going to work out great for her in the long that dude is one best film ever all he's one of my all-time favorite characters in human history because because what he did was he made his own disco and uh he had so much money I mean he had hundreds of Ferraris he just had just like this insane I'm not kidding hundreds and so he he made his own disco so he has a palace it's an enormous Palace and he created this huge elaborate disco Tech where um it was all just girls that he had flown in so he'd fly

151:41these girls in he'd give them like 50 Grand a week you know like giving them like sitcom money and they're all like you know these Penthouse Pets and they're all living and they caught one Brad with a laptop and she was like documenting it all for a te all book and they had given her hundreds of thousands of dollars in jewelry and they took all that from her and kicked her out of the town and then she did all these interviews but the the dude would just come down at his golden underwear and start skating around like who am I I'll take you come with me and the rest of them kick rocks you know tomorrow maybe you'd be lucky and get some little some guys like that they they they they have hundreds of girls and maybe the most of them 80% of them he's not even it's just like there's just here and there and whatever and they stay there and they form a little community and all

152:23these little hoes hang out together and pal around and this I mean it's just total Next Level ship because this is happening current day oh yeah well they would they would also pay celebrity girls extreme amounts of money to join the how about that come down and they'd fly in Floyd Mayweather did that with like Nicki Minaj he's like 50 Grand to come up and talk to me for a half hour in my hotel room or something there was something like that I read before his last fight and it's like like there's you know people with you money like that they're like whatever celebrity everybody's got their price yeah but I think the amount of money the amount of money that these guys have over Floyd Mayweather it's like Floyd Mayweather over like the dude who works at Starbuck it's insane it's like they have trillions of dollars like we think about like the richest people in the

153:10world are worth like 90 billion dollar what is this Jam you just pulled up this this plane it's probably the salt new B plane yeah oh my God it's got a pool in it his plane is a pool in it is that a pool or they is that like a I think it's a glass bottom dude it's it's a pool no what is that yeah Magic Carpet the floor is a giant screen which will show the floor it's all squirrly looking can you uh make it larger so we can see it better that is insane it is a floor I bet got a it got a camera underneath that probably projects onto the floor oh my God okay it's a screen which will show the ground well you know that they're going to do that now with planes they're going to make the entire roof of the plane an LED screen or an LCD screen where you're going to be able to see the actual outside of the plane like the clouds and all the all the transparent exactly exactly yes it'll be

153:59a screen and the screen will project they they've already like made prototypes of these and they've shown like videos of what the planes of the future would be like but the entire top of the plane like from the windows up will all just be the actual clouds that are above the plane I saw a buddy he flew to he might have flown to Dubai and they they were In First Class for whatever that trip was and the whole wall of the plane was clear it was like a huge window and they were like it was almost like their first class was like a um like a living room experience it's crazy and yeah cuz I was talking to Kyle before he left to go fight this weekend and and I was like well what's business class like and he's like dude you lay down they come bring you a mattress and like I'm like that sounds awesome and I'm like what's if business class he's describing first class better than first

154:48class in America on quantis and and uh I've done it first class on qu you get an apartment yeah I was like what's first class like so might as well be an apartment it's like your own pod I remember Ari posted pictures once yeah yeah Ari flew with me it's like your own room you're you're you're not only does your chair fully reine recline but it turns left and right and then you have two TVs just in case I don't really want to have to go to the effort I'll just make my chair he goes like like AR would come over and sit with me cuz it's like a 15 hour flight it's a ridiculously long FL FL damn and Ari may or may not have come on board with some pot brownies that stunk so bad I made him throw them out I'm like what the are you doing not the country you want to mess around like I made it myself yeah that's the one place where Sylvester stolen got busted

155:33for HGH well he came in his private jet with like cases of the that that homeboy is just Mainline they might have overlooked a little bit but yeah if you come in with yeah hey man I don't blame him he's my canary in aine 90,000 years old awesome yeah in that in that movie uh Grudge Match or whatever the other night and I'm like how do you not get behind the argument to be enhanced right like if you look at a normal 70-year-old guy and you look at Sylvester Sloan you're like that's better well do you remember that movie that he was in um bullet in the head where he was he was shed where it's Jason Jason was in it right he fight Jason Mamoa I think 67 years old just lean as all hell Shred looks like he had some kind of surgery on his pack or something long time ago you all his Rocky movies you see that too it's almost like he's got like a cable that connects his uh peack to his

156:30shoulder why not though I mean seriously like if if it's not a financial barrier to you I mean the only negative side effect of that stuff is you immediately stop aging well you could instantly say that it's uh even a a cost benefit because of all the stuff that you move aside that you're going to have health risks at anyway that you're not that you take away by being more energy to do things and enjoy things like the idea that like it's it's a manly thing like people like well where do you get your testosterone from bro I give mine from my balls you got to get it from a get from a needle bro no but I mean that's like the argument that's the argument right where do you get yours from bro I get mine from my balls you know like this I get that mine from Jo's balls what do you where do you get your toothpaste from I get it from the grocery store shut up like like give

157:15it 20 more years and see if you still got the same answer I was just listening to Charles poin and he talks a lot about it it's really poliquin he's a poliquin is it he a strength coach like old school dude well how about your boy Lou Westside barbell oh my God also also awesome I got his machine back there that the reverse H hyper that's that's a game changer that him like the the sweats like who kind of take his uh gospel and spread it Shane sweat and Laura phelp sweat Laura is the strongest woman in the world and how funny is it her last name is sweat yeah dude well sh it's Shane name and Shane is probably the best power and speed strength coach everybody thinks it's just powerlifting and Louis like that's such a misnomer it's not what I'm about like he changes the Dynamics of whatever kind of athleticism you're into if you're a cross country athlete if you're a

158:04swimmer if you're a power fighter and um it's a trip I believe that if more MMA guys got into it they would turn in Touching boxing into knockout strikes man well Matt Brown has done a lot of work with yeah yeah that's who works with them all the time him and Shane are really good friends and he and Louie and then um yeah it's it's a it's an interesting thing man they'd have more power behind the strike itself or yeah they're learning how to turn into it more and they're learning how to accentuate their top end power so that they can actually turn that over as opposed to like moving slowly through movements and and teaching explosivity okay you know I had the uh bigger stronger faster guys on and bells yeah and uh you know Mark's a good friend he's a goody great guy Mark's great guy and we were just talking about about the the stigma that's attached to these

158:52substances because of the idea of cheating you know when you look at like baseball and you look at cheating the Great American Pastime you know what's going on with Russia right now we're talking about they they're literally going to pull Russia out of the Olympics widespread documented cheating program on the state level like they're just cheating they're like here's the protocol yeah I mean that's that's what they've always done I mean that's that's been going on from the beginning of time I mean then that's what everybody's been doing at the Olympics they found out about it from the though the Russians were the first yeah that in East Germans right yeah when Germany was Eastern block countries yeah I I I feel like that I mean when you started talking and you had that nitzki dude on here or whatever and and talking about genetically changing things and the my

159:33stat Inhibitors and all that kind of stuff it just seems like at a certain point if you want to have natural athletes like say in the UFC in 15 years everybody in the stands is going to be in better shape and better condition than the actual athletes well you know what it's going to be like it's going to be like turnning your own butter and riding a horse to work yeah you're mitigating Evolution it's like congratulations and the and the reasons that they're doing it are so foolish sounding they just sound like children well I get it I get it because like what you get out of competition if you see a guy who's gone through an 8-week training camp and he's fighting you know Chris Weidman versus Luke rockold both guys we would assume clean you know training their entire life getting ready for this moment the amount of discipline and focus that's required to get through that

160:17Camp is godamn brutal it's Soul searing you know these guys are getting up every morning with exhausted bodies they're doing their strength conditioning they're doing their sparing they're doing all their their Technical Training and they're tired all the time man they get through it and that's one of the things that vtor and Weidman had added at the weigh-ins where widman pointed his finger at him he goes you were using during Camp because they did their blood screens and I remember widman's vtor had a testosterone use exemption okay for the longest time and his testosterone when he was on was off the charts they was just three times a human kind of 1475 was the highest number that he tested for right during Camp while they're in Camp this is after they take his testosterone away okay they say you can't use it anymore he tested 1,200 and Weidman tested 300 so wiman's like what

161:05the like he goes you were using during camp and he goes I'm I'm GNA make you pay for that tomorrow and he said it to them at the weighin and you could see the look in vit's eyes he's like there's a look that a guy has when he's guilty the most C uh uh the only the only real smart explanation for that for against it was when I listen to Ronda talk about it and she goes they know when they're off it that they can't be like she knows she's I know I'm 100% me mhm sorry if you come in like that you know you've already lost she's like I've and I was like that is huge cuz the psychological effect we saw it when guys came from pride and they came over they would break and you're seeing guys that are top level Savages break and then you're like that is a different athlete well it's a different human being because you're not enhanced anymore when you're Bel Tak your belief of course

161:58because you know what you know what you were capable of these superhuman performances when you're on it their chin would be better everything would be better hang the cape up yeah hang the cape up hang up the cape hang up take away the the super ring totally and yeah I mean once you've tasted that yeah I and I don't know what those guys were taking the uh the well the Bo guys remember when there was a thing and it was all the shoot box guys and they would get touched and they would go out and they' be out and then they'd get touched again and they' come back on and it was like there's something like as soon as he hit the ground he Po and it was like it was like almost an impossibility to knock him out it was like they're God knows what they were doing why it was so impressive when Vander got cropped yeah cuz even all that yeah sorry I mean that was the

162:43heaviest vand he had ever been he was like 218 crocop was only 214 crocop is actually lighter than V even though kroop had fought heavyweight his entire career and vanderlay really his optimal weight was 185 and he was fighting as a heavyweight he was 183b Champion right or the 203b champion yeah yeah yeah that's what it was right and uh you know gets to the UFC drops down to 185 because he's not on the anymore but when he's fighting or allegedly but when he's fighting crocop even after all that but we don't even know what the crocop was doing right you know that was one of the biggest strongest guys I ever wrestled with like that guy is he's he's strong he's like one of those different level Str sh said too when he fought him he said he couldn't believe how strong he was dude he's powerful yeah well I mean his KO power's legendary you know but again those guys they just

163:31had an open agreement you just do whatever the you want not even an open agreement you better do it yeah it was in the contract yeah our buddy yeah stop it it was in the contract the contract said we will not test for steroids but our buddy went over there and he was a natural 170 pounder and they wanted him to fight at 185 he's like I don't even weigh 18 totally don't worry we get you steroid and then he's like I don't want to and they're like no this you do we have the doctor like it's like you're not going to you're not going to not do it it's all mob you know hey man the guys at the Pinnacle of their game if they're not doing that stuff honestly I'm surprised like I have zero problem with that whatsoever like well the problem is it wrecks your endocrine system and after you get off of it you're you're done I mean these guys are they're on these hyper human levels in their 20s

164:17and then they get off of it and they're balls don't work anymore you know the one I see that in the teams too guys they they they they research the ingestion portion and they're like okay cool I'm done no post cycle anything and then they're just so what is the protocol when when you're you're involved in that like did is that like from the top down do they tell you about it like how does that steroid use in the military is against the UCMJ so if guys are going down that route they're they're doing it on their own underneath the radar however the drug testing in the military does not test for steroids it's a very specific test it you you'd have to be picked out and pinged for that reason so they're not you know what I mean it's kind of like this a known thing it see how it couldn't be known you know if I know about it how could it not be known it was blind it was the

165:04blind ey system right like you know yeah we want you to be you know a lion go yeah right but then the guys you know they they don't have the education or they don't take the time to figure out the postc Cycle Therapy stuff and they just go especially the dudes who were just juicing right before deployment then go right when they get on it Oh Daddy oh yeah it's horrible for your your morale for your your energy Lev those guys on it the whole time they're over well that's Kennedy was say Tim Kennedy was saying that he's like it makes you a better Soldier I am all for it and it will it'll make you stronger faster recover better I talked to Team guys that are out now that are like it's if like guys get popped for that when they're in Buds and they're like those guys but they're like when you go over there I want everybody that's next to me to be as big and

165:46strong and as alert as possible so when they go through buds they test him for it no again it's the same it's the steroids I don't think would help in buds I think HGH might on the recovery side of the house would about like EPO that would probably help that's the blood doing right oxygenates you makes you have more probably would psychological damaging thing like buds is from what it sounds like that I don't think that that stuff would help you I don't it's not as bad as you think you guys were talking about on the same episode they don't drown you in buds I think you were saying that they drown you no they we get you as close to Drowning as possible but it's not the last guy to di a buds aspirated on his own vomit underwater and was not recoverable but a lot of the a lot of the training how long wases that ago probably five years oh okay a guy dies there probably about once every 5 to

166:33seven years which is important it needs to happen right because that means you're taking the training is arduous enough that it's going to do what it's supposed to do R are going to die it's a terrible thing to have happened but so a lot of the training we do in the water is to make them uncomfortable like my favorite one of the evolutions in first phase is you get these huge classes of like 150 guys and everybody's like teamwork we're in this together and you make them jump in the pool fully clothed and then the instructors get on the outside and you start pushing them closer and closer together right so now on the outside of the edges you're in the pool with them so we're making a big circle of students smaller and smaller and smaller small how deep water 20 ft mhm so they're drowning each other it it doesn't start that way but the teamwork talk goes out the window yeah

167:18because then like dude's like foot on top ahead and that's actually the evolution that the guy aspirated in which is why they increased the instructor ratio they didn't notice it right away but that's one of the highest attrition Evolutions at buds is that one right there where they push everybody together and then once they get them together it's like okay take off your right boot so then everybody's got to undo their Boot and throw it out of the pool take off your left boot so you're like you have a task to do while staying alive without trying to kill somebody else and just that that type of stuff in the water the attrition rate is just through the roof I would imagine and how long you're in there for long as it takes how long does it take to do what to get you know you take all your top off you take your pants off you take the boots off all that stuff it can take

167:59naked pool party it is well obviously well we were wearing the UDT shorts which are just completely unacceptable guys I know say they don't wear underwear that Brian Singer guy that guy who uh directed X-Men he had parties like that really yeah X-Men Avengers which one was it whatever I don't know if these were the type of party but now what happened if guys go this let's push an instructor out of here that would be interesting what would happen if dudes are like they're they're that we're going to end up killing each other let's break the circle open you know I don't know what I only had a student grab me one time because one of the tests we did I just think it would be such a horrible idea but I'd love to see horrible idea allow me to tell you what happened to this particular student so one of the tests we do you have twin 0 scuba tanks and you have to tread water

168:44with at least uh your wrist above the water for 5 minutes and it's really not that hard if you can just relax and just take a deep breath and put your head down you can there's a lot of buoyancy that you so you tread water but your hands have to stay above stay so you're just using your legs and you have a full scuba Tang system on your back which if you don't rig it properly it'll pull you back a little bit a lot of it is just kind of getting your lungs over your center of gravity tring Waters without your hands is hard it's hard with hands too yeah yeah well I mean the training is supposed to be hard so really H from what I've been told I went through the correspondence course so I don't know but czy in action how do we think the same so it always starts the same way right like they'll take a breath and then they're like they're keeping their hands above

169:28water and their head just keeps getting farther and farther and farther and they have to just like kick kick kick kick kick and then you know it's about to get really bad when they do the monkey paw when their hands start doing this number they start like that's when you're the guy is about to either quit or go under uhhuh and I had a foreign exchange student I think he was from Korea and they have a weight belt on too there's a 20 lb weight belt on as well of course why wouldn't there be so a lot of the times what the students will do is they'll drop their weight belt when they think they're going to go under so I as a helpful instructor will get it for them and put it around the back of their tank so they can no longer take it off uh so they can finish the evolution because just because you quit you're still going to finish the five minutes you know I mean like it has

170:04it has a purpose right uh and if you don't quit and you just fail will allow you to re retry it at another date but you're going to finish the five minutes with your best attempt so I'll put the weight belt on the top of the tanks so this Korean kid dropped his weight belt I'm like yeah okay no problem with down and got it put it back on uh he started going back under again got to the point where he pulled his own life jacket it inflates and brings him back up so I helped him out I pulled the release valve to let all the oxygen or not the oxygen but the CO2 out of it so he starts going back down again and just comes up and gets one big like hand out of the water and bear hugs me trying to take me underwater with him it's the only time I've ever seen an instructor actually get grabbed so I just was you it was me yeah so I just relaxed held my breath and we went to the bottom until

170:54he passed out whoa so you said all right let's do this I'm fine I I'm like all right I got how long can you hold your breath I don't know I mean I'm nothing impressive probably a couple minutes longer than that guy could in a panic state right that's all it mattered you know I mean and when you're in a panic State you got about 30 seconds in you right I mean how much time do you have I probably wasn't going to be able to do a Max breathhold cuz I was laughing pretty hard at him but that's so up that's that whole about I get comfortable other dudes are uncomfortable I live underwater so we down though and he's just like looking at me like and just goes out and then you pull him up and a doctor with seven years of you know medical school and residency under his belt goes wake up and they wake up and hey you fail so he blacked out under the water that happens all the time we bring

171:43people up who so it's not necessarily drowning it's just blacking out underwater but there's no olution in Seal training that requires you to black out like one of the tests is a 50 m underwater swim where you jump in you have to do a front somersault swim to the other side of the pool touch it front Su assault and swim back that's another one that gets a lot of guys on uh they'll pass out because they just don't want to give up and again all of this stuff is about teaching you where the boundaries where you think they are and what other people tell you you can do and when the alarm systems in your body it's it's a choice to to listen to those things a lot of the times a lot of Navy SEALS or various uh spec ops guys go into like Ultra marathons and afterwards just to try to push themselves to the once you I mean honestly like Joe youed to it yeah but I

172:27mean you know I I would imagine that you probably I mean do you miss fighting and do things that challenge you physically and mentally to continue pushing yourself and growing I mean once you get a taste for it I would imagine you still do those things too don't you well there's a certain amount of you're always going to want to push yourself because you if you feel like you're if you're not doing it if you're not testing your Bal boundaries you kind of feel like a I feel like it's Mastery too it's like yeah you get Mastery over this thing and then what happens with people that are uncommon and interesting they go on to the next thing because they want Mastery over this thing and then they want Mastery over that thing it irritates them that they don't M they're like oh man I suck at this difficult is good for you it's fun man and that's the one thing

173:07that's been the prime difference in my life is like go into something and do something that kind of makes you nervous every day go go go into fear-based and then live there and and figure that out you know it's the it's the only way to live rewarding in addition to being exciting the reward is huge the exciting thing for me is like that's the initial moment but then the impact it has on your life you I mean there's two different full spectrums there's like in that moment and then how it changes you as a human being right I got to bring you guys down to check out SEAL training you guys let's make a let's make a video they they may frown against that oh okay but we can make a video when I jump though with you yes and cuz well Joe will be in the plane as well also I'll be strap to the wing with the video camera look how small they're getting look they're almost if

173:54you don't let me take you jumping we got to go hunting okay what do you want to hunt uh duck oh what the is Birds I don't even like I'll be out in the woods hunting you guys hunting duck that makes more addition I need to bring up that's that's going to get in the way of concentrating here's the video here's talking we'll end it with this because we're basically out of time we just did 3 hours believe it or not godam we really flies by every time um so explain this will you that's just the javelin missile about you cost $150,000 this is what we were talking about earlier for people listening Andy uh essentially has um this is a top attack it's like a sewer pipe attached to his shoulder this giant with computer yeah with a computer attached to it and it's about to launch and these guys that you're launching against tell us the background on that it's just a

174:46truck a truck full of guys and shooting at you no that's done okay they were shooting at you and now they're dancing outside okay there's the there's the the round fires off it climbs it's hard to see but then you'll see where it lands oh my God so that is far how far away is that that's about 2 km so it's it's quite a bit slower than a bullet oh very much so yeah cuz it's so much weight to it and the the look at you laughing that's so up people just died haha yeah but you know what those people weren't me so let's celebrate and they were bad guys right let's celebrate boom that's crazy that that that exists and touch somebody and what is that going to be like in 5 years from now it's going to be something even more insane they already have like you know like suicide drones now and all sorts of stuff oh I'm sure yeah I mean just drone Warfare alone you know I mean that that

175:39that's what they're going to be able to do with these these Boston um what are they called Boston Dynamics those those crazy robots that they have I mean they've got those robots so you can kick and they go over sideways so it's not just going to be drones that fly it's going to be drones that like you're going to see an army of Terminator robots running into camps and they can go up hills man hey you know what though good on them I'd rather have that yeah totally the Air Force Academy for the first time a few years ago graduated more uh non- manned aircraft Pilots than Mann aircraft pilots in their history and did they graduate them through Xbox Live I hope that was PR those probably was a PR wck yeah you know I'm sure but listen Andy Thank you very man we got to do this again thanks for having man anytime dude let's do it again without a doubt Tate Fletcher tatus Maximus no

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