Eddie Bravo

00:00two one yeeha edra yo my man I like how we could just start the podcast like this right off the commercial last I noticed that like a week ago changed the flow of the conversation made it way better yeah yeah that was because it was like you know when I really realized it was like uh I did a podcast with Stan hope and he was making fun of the commercials while was doing it I was like why am I doing commercials in front of them why don't I just do that later and Stitch it in and I was lucky where the deal that I had for commercials was really just for iTunes and so um like when I do this it goes on YouTube first so as it streams on YouTube and you stream no need for commercials it so and then I put the ads in later that but on iTunes and on uh or on YouTube there's no commercials you know what it changes too is the this podcast is most of the time anyways is about just you

00:58and your friends just talking about yeah you know you're not getting right to it's not like J it's not like Ari just wrote a book and he's on here to promote it you know what I mean sometimes that happens sometimes like Paul Stanley and stuff I get a lot of those but it's still even with them it's like you want you want to sit them down and go so what's it like to write the book what you know how hard was it you know how long does it take like the process the conversation before the podcast starts there's some serious conversations going on and then instead of just starting and starting the podcast on a dime and then continuing the conversation you hit the commercials and you never get back to that conversation a lot of the times that's what I noticed that's happened well you know a lot of times like we haven't seen each other in like a week or two and we

01:45got a bunch of crazy to say to each other and you just start and then by the time the podcast starts so what's up man you know you learn you learn a lot about yourself like uh listening to you listen to your own podcast I listen to the good ones I don't at all I can't I can't stand listening to myself I have no desire to listen to myself the only time is when I'm going through mastering the system my tutorial I do sit there and I am interested in how I'm teaching and what I said and how I could have made the point clearer in my teaching so I I uh that's the only time but when it's a podcast and I'm not talking about Jiu-Jitsu and I'm just talking about like just I don't want to hear myself it's good to hear though but for the same reason like you you realiz why you're annoying to you like I've found things that I I didn't know I did like little little ticks little weird things

02:37like people do like a big one is saying like people like there's like Tom sagur I love him to death but that out likes me he hurts me sometimes with the likes like there's like a guy way like if you got like a guy like and there's like a way like did he say that or everybody does do and I and when when guys are telling a story it's hilarious and he's like she came up to me and started mad dogging me and I was like what the you looking at I paid for all that and you didn't say none of that you just said I was like that I had that look on my face but I didn't say and if you don't question did you actually say that you're like no I was like I was thinking it I'm like if I wouldn't have asked you you would have made it seem like you were this bad in this story right you in reality you didn't say and I was like who paid for that you said that no no I thought it like I thought it and I

03:37was like you man you and all and where you came from did you actually say that to him no oh man I hate that another one that I do that I I need to figure out how to stop doing is say I say you know you know I don't know you know it's like you know you know like you're trying to form your point you're trying to like formulate it in your mind and now you you know you sympathize more with black people when they're always saying you know what I'm saying you're like we're basically doing the same thing we're just not saying saying so why are we making fun you know what I mean everybody says you know you know you know you know you know they just say no what I'm saying but if they stretched it out further it would get even more ridiculous you know what I'm saying word God you know what I'm saying word God if like you know I'm saying word God was like in the middle of every sentence

04:28dude you I think you start started something I think I'm might to start something you know saying word God what did you say hasht you know what I'm saying word God yeah well black guys were calling each other God for a while on the East Coast it was a weird thing that was going on like I went to uh I went to see Terry Norris fight um uh at a bar with a friend of mine who's a comic and his buddy uh they we we work together me and this this comic and uh he brought his buddy with him and we all went to Terry Norris is fighting tonight let's go we're going to see Terry Norris fight live on whatever it was HBO and they they were talking to each other and they were talking to other man hit him with that left hook God you see that jab God you see that head movement God and I was like wow what are they doing like is this a like you know I'm white obviously so I'm like what the am I am I missed a

05:14meeting like this is this seems to be a new thing and then I remember shaking my head going this will not last you guys you're going to feel silly for calling each other God in a couple of years you can't just do this is or maybe you know what a lot of people are trying to come up with their own you knowning out some doesn't but people are they're trying that was a big one though that was everywhere it wasn't like these guys it was their it was like black guys were doing that all throughout the east coast in the 90s it's very uh prestigious to have your your a saying you made up blow up oh yeah there's one you know people always say holler at me holler at me yeah uh this guy uh uh Rico Santana he started scream at me he was pushing in that scream at me scream at me and uh I'm not sure if it's stuck never heard it when did he do this how long ago uh five years ago yeah dudes

06:09will try their own hash scream at me yeah you don't you want on someone to holla at you but holla is what's up know that's not scream at you implies like they're angry at you you're like you're setting yourself up danger I like I like it scream at me scream at me scream at me but you say it like in a sexy little voice right like you tell a chick scream that chick's going to stop calling you she's going to run away she's not not going to respond to your text she going to be like this dude crazy you imagine that in call call me later scream at me I bet if you said it like that well you're a funny guy so if you said it like that it would probably work cuz she she would start laughing yo scream at me be like uh uh Wayne listen you like to die silly I'll scream at you later exactly there you go that's it oh that it's going to work for uh women how the did those ticks like little

07:01things like that like you know I'm saying you know it's like like where are those coming from and then they're basically like complicated version is of uh even like a lot of times people use guys is same thing it's all their their elongated versions but fucking's the worst right I do that a lot too I used to when you're younger you do that more and you're nervous nervous there's a lot of you nervous like man and then I was like and he was like and I don't give a and I was like that dude uh when I was doing standup in Boston they they had a thing they used to call the meter they were saying like if you going to go do stand up they would say Eddie don't break the meter like when you use them they should mean something and they were they were so right it taught me so much because when I see a guy who says too much I know that guy's nervous you know if he starts I'm walking down

07:53the streeta this chick it's like you're off there's something off you're you're you're using one word too many times no matter what word it is and if it happens to be like you're trying to sound like you're together you're trying to sound like you're upset but you're not really or if you're if you are upset you need to collect your thoughts you know and then that's what you hear that when you listen to a podcast whereas you you just like most of the time you're just talking you don't you don't remember how you said it you just don't very little very rarely unless something really crazy happens you know how often do you really remember how you said things what's a funny no I'm just thinking uh man I better not say it it's something that I I probably should not talk about but it's funny to me but it's not podcast material I'm sorry the one thing that I damn it Eddie Bravo we write that

08:48down Jamie the beginning there's not a chance in hell you're going to remember what we talked about either that's the worst let me maybe I will write it in my notes oh man notes are huge God damn it do you use notes when you do your uh I use notes for every do you do them for seminars or do you everything really all my notes like every on your phone everything do you transcribe it all my do you do do the voice transcription thing so good dude so good so accurate it's incredible I use it all the time like if I'm in my car and I got an idea I used to get panicky I'd be like I got to pull over and I started coming up with reasons to say the idea over and over and over again so that I didn't forget it m now I just grab that phone hit that button and go blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah put it down I'm gone yeah there I use it for Jiu-Jitsu a lot for teaching there's

09:39so much to master in Jiu-Jitsu it's so vast it seems like it's getting crazier too with the Advent like the more attention that people putting on leg locks these days it seems like I'm watching Jiu-Jitsu I'm like man I'm not you know I I see transitions on the ground that I understand but when I see some leg lock transition like I have no idea where these guys are going I just see scrambles I'm not sure I'd have to watch that again and again and again to see how he set that up yeah you just got to get it broken down to you in in a system once she it's just like the rubber guard cuz you would have you have fifth degree sixth degree eighth degree black belts out there in Brazilian jiu-jitsu and they never really looked into the rubber guard at all and they think they think oh they just throwing their legs up and they're grabbing their leg and then there's an arm bar or a

10:27triangle and a guys slip out and then they're just grabbing their ankles they don't realize how precise and microscopic it is and uh that's what I used to think of leg locks I thought leg locks where you just jump on legs I'm a black belt and I'm still thinking this until about a year ago I thought dudes just jumping on you get that outside one or you get that inside one I was pretty good at a heel hook coming off being mounted uh but I didn't spend a lot of time with heel hooks it just seemed like oo I don't want to get my uh you know MMA fighters I want to set an a good MMA example CU I'm not going to be the one going in the cage so if I'm trying to teach him this I better be doing this so so I thought it's not a good idea to to always go for leg locks if if you're going to do MMA it's uh it's a great like second or third option Last Resort nothing's working you can't

11:23take the guy down you tried and maybe you almost got him down you almost passed his guard the guy's the Beast it's not working nothing's working he's throwing you around nothing's working it's a third round you might tell this guy if if this guy in the gym was really good at leg locks this is where you tell him let's go after his legs Cu uh the chokes aren't working we're not getting anywhere near his neck you got one more round thank God that you could actually pull this off because you're really good at leg locks that's that's what I think it was like a last ditch effort yeah last resort if ain't work if cuz it's risky they could work but if they don't work you're going to get Alan belard you know what I'm saying and uh the uh the best leg Locker in the game right now is Eddie Cummings he uh he's an ebi 145 Champion he he he's incredible he's incredible he's like the

12:13Marcelo Garcia leglocks when you say um Alan Belcher we should explain what you mean like when you fought Paul harz Paul harz who's like the best leg Locker in MMA Alan Belcher thought long and hard about this and worked a lot on the strategy and did a lot of leg lock defense he brought in he flew and he he trains in Tennessee Alabama or is it Alabama godam buxy Mississippi right he's got his gym there I forget I forget one of those places down there but he flew in Dean liser for that fight and Davi Ramos who just won Abu Dhabi that guy's an animal I saw that flying armar that guy an that guy's the a new the new star in town Davi raml but Alan belard three years ago or two years ago whenever that fight was it was probably at at least three years ago when that happened when his fight with Rus marus he flew both of them in and he was already known as a really good leg

13:07locker and yolked and he looks like a mini little poar a little smaller and Allan beler said Dean lster and Davi Ramos just wrecked him with legs for a month straight just wrecked them and he just forced them forced them to learn little by little you find your safe spots you figure out where you're safe and maybe you're not getting out or escaping but let's figure out where we could stay safe and then we'll think about the Escape later you know right that's how it all starts and then you get really good at Boom at staying at that safe just going right through that safe zone and right to the escapes because you know you've done it so much the slow way then it starts blending little by little boom uh but anyways uh Alan beler eventually learned how to deal with leg locks amazingly yeah and then he proved in the Octagon in the UFC against the scariest leglock guy out

14:04there still to this day still the scariest leg lock guy out there and P harus had many shots at Allen's leg he would escape and then rousar parus has this elaborate system he knows exactly what he's doing it's it's you have to spend a lot of time there and really analyze the possibilities and all the angles when you're attacking legs it really is an entirely different system just legs but we're also learning that it's not a be all end all especially in MMA Paul Harris has been jacked a couple times and even the best guy right now Eddie Cummings when he goes in and he competes he's tapping everybody with heel hooks but he needs two or three tries at those legs guy's going to defend the first time it's always the same as matches he'll get guys really quick too 30 seconds 12 seconds boom he just jumps on legs and he's like dudes are like oh you know he has but

14:54generally against the top guy the guy's going to pull out of his like two or three times Eddie might just let him let him think that oh look I can't control him and then just setting him up just playing with them letting him go and then coming back just knowing that he's going to get those legs eventually just wearing you out even yes and then but in MMA man you got to go in there it better work that first time cuz if that guy finds a little safe Zone and he has a safe Zone where he could punch you it could be lights out yeah risky very dangerous so regardless of uh how sophisticated and awesome leg locks are overall right now and grappling still in MMA they're still dangerous but uh it's it's a very important secret weapon when you know the safe safer stuff like you know taking him down and passing his guard and mounting him and getting his back and nice and safe you're not going

15:51to reverse on me I'm going to you can't punch me you can't punch me I'm all over you boom bam bam nice and safe and Domina you know it's always a a better idea to try to do that first if you can do that why would you give him a chance at your face while you're going for leg locks you might get it but you're giving him a shot man all he's got to do is be a little bit good at defending a little bit defend that he's used to it bam bam done especially if you got a guy you remember that crocop gon Saga fight the last one where crocop was on top of Gonzaga and Blasting him with elbows and you saw what happens when you get a scary scary Striker like crocop on top of you and you're not controlling his posture yeah yeah oh can't forget that kind of can't forget that because crocop might be the only guy we've seen do it like that do it that quickly and devastatingly but that means it's

16:45possible like you just because you're in someone's guard that isn't safe you know like Tito did never Tito never had the kind of um the kind of speed and precision as a striker that crocop has so croop's elbows even the short elbows are just so de ating but Tito used to guys up from inside their guard he never bothered passing people's guard he like good luck holding on to me boom and he would just Jack guys from that position and the best ever was Uriah Faber nobody threw elbows better than him CU he was so small and his opponent was so small he could lie lay and prey in someone's full guard lay and prey lay on him just cuz he top guys's got a clinch too bottom guys throwing elbows bottom guy could punch so you're you know if you're in in uh someone's guard you're in some danger with strikes too and submissions if the guy knows what he's doing but he would pick dudes up

17:36he'd be land pray but then he would like spring up like he's doing some kind of like back extension he'd pick him up and then slam him on the ground followed by an L like a rhythm Papa Pap he'd lift him up Papa he lift him up Pap it was a amazing Rhythm that was the king of the cage days right no that was wec days was it that was before the UFC B not the WC this was back when it was in somewhere in San Louis abiso or some it's way up North right yeah and he used to people up like that but then he learned how to pass the guard and he got really good at Jiu-Jitsu so so instead of staying there he thought even this guy with the most devastating ground in pound you don't see it anymore CU he's going to try to pass the guard and mount you and take your back and choke you he knows the way now his Guillotines too when he gets a hold of dude's necks he's so nasty yeah his

18:25Guillotines are just so tight and quick when you think of someone uh you think of you try to think of a UFC fighter who's known who's known for a special submission that like you like Ronda like armar Ronda armar bam you know what I mean bam there's only a few guys that that you see the submission right next to him right when someone talks about him and Uriah fa he's got that little that little special Guillotine he does there's so many different ways to Guillotine uh necks so many different ways and the way that uh um euriah Faber does it I'm I'm not even good at that way I never even get in that position I never find myself in that one it's like a whole beautiful little path and just a dangerous choke I really got to sit down and look into it really now that I'm thinking about and talking about I'm like what am I doing I got to there's just so much to do that

19:16was the beginning of this conversation there's so much to teach I have to write in my notes boom I brought it back that's the one thing that I hate listening to myself talk is cuz I'll have like a story I want to say but then I think okay let me set it up so when I'm listening to my I used to listen to my podcast and I see it and I'm dissecting like what I do I'm like I'm trying to make a point but I never get to the point because I go so far back to set it up that by the time I get to the point I already thought of another story and I'm going way over here and uh that's called weed yes yes I hate that about me so when I hear myself do it I go there I go start I'm talking about something else never even finished the point I had a good point too and I just forgot about it I never got to it it's we all do that it's it's when you get high I digress so much

20:05yeah and then it becomes a game like let's try to figure out where this all started we're trying to backtrack boom boom boom we do the exact same thing yeah I do it all the time on this podcast if we get high it just goes on its own you know it's like you we got to accept maybe we should let people know before the podcast this is a marijuana induced podcast some of them are so this one is not so there you go if you if you're like going what the are they talking about well that there's that too weed weed decides what you want to talk about yeah and now you got Ryan Hall man that's a now we got a little dude who's coming in with a A hamar pahar type threat to the legs as well how good is he going to do and you know what a stand up it looks like his foot works together he looks like he's got you know decent like decent striking it looks like he knows how to move on his feet and uh

20:55he's been at TriStar so you know he's working his wrestling all the goddamn time is his wrestling going to be good enough to take anybody down in the top 10 I what is he weighing what is he competing at what class 145 is he going to stay there or is he going to go to 35 I'm not sure I'm not sure a lot of guys they do tough at a weight class above I think because if you're going to make the extreme weight cut that a lot of guys make you're going to need six to eight weeks whereas if you're on tough you got to do it multiple times over the course of six weeks and for a lot of dudes like almost everybody started out a higher weight class like you know Michael bisbing even though he competed at 205 and beat a lot of guys at 205 he fought on The Ultimate Fighter at 205 185 is a better weight class for him yeah same with Kelvin Kelvin won it at 185 but he's better at 170 yeah you know

21:41it's almost like if you're going to do The Ultimate Fighter you do your walk around weight do your like if you had to do something same day weighing do that weight that's always the next weight category unless you want to get super crazy some guys just say it same day weighing I'm still going to cut like a I just think when you're on that show going to do that several times over six weeks and then on top of that it's the nerves and all the TV cameras your first experience you better off just not being not doing anything that's going to drain you he might go to 35 I mean I I I mean how does he look at 45 he's kind of like a skinny wiry guy at 45 right now so far in the house I think he has he had one fight and he had a fight to get in uh so far with just those two fights he's already world renowned leg lock master you knowah on the show you watch the

22:30show at all I haven't seen the season at all dude come on I got it recorded I watched all I'm binge watching tough with Conor McGregor holy you're going to put it's like the best ever are you kidding it's the best tough of all time that's the best one how are you gonna get better than Conor McGregor on your goddamn TV show that a fight show oh man he gets under UAH skin oh he starts a lot of man he's the ultimate talker man is he up that he called TJ Dill Shaw a snake in the grass and DW W up leaving that's crazy that's some profit that's some old Celtic Warrior call McGregor just calling it like if he just figures if he just calls it like he sees it you know no filter just call it like you see it don't hold it in just no editing just let it all out he's from Dublin like they they talk mad over there dude it's it's a totally different like style of talking you know the

23:28ultimate the ultimate tough would be CH coaching one team and MCC Conor coaching another team and they're wait they're different weight classes like CH could walk around at 230 you know if he's not fighting he's way bigger than Connor so but Connor is so Alpha he's not gonna like ch's gonna like like big brother him and go oh come on at first like come on come on you're too small for me CH would find a workaround you know CH would figure out an unorthodox approach to dealing with no he would he would deal like listen you're you're 160 lb you're 160b cute F you're and then but Conor is not going to take that Connor is not going to sit there and be the little 160b you know uh tiny little fighter to Cha he's not going to Big Brother him I think he's bigger than 160 I really do he's like 170 or whatever which is crazy that he fights at 145 think about the talking between them

24:20two you'd have to get cha off of his suspension he's got a two-year suspension and then and then Conor would have to agree to fight him at a catch weight it'll end up being Conor will go let's meet it at 180 if you can get down to 180 or 185 he can't get down to 180 or maybe Conor just says it we're gonna fight free weight absolute well I mean Connor and Uriah aren't fighting I mean there're the show's hilarious and they're not fighting the coaches don't need to compete against each other at the end for it to be good yeah exactly yeah exactly they don't need that that would just happen because a Conor Conor wouldn't be able to take it Conor would call him out and say let's do this you know what would be interesting it would be interesting to see someone uh coach on opposite of Rhonda like a dude a dude coach opposite of Ronda Connor and Ronda dude Connor and Rhonda that would

25:11crush the ratings dude that would break the break it that would be the greatest ratings of all time it would be no greater Connor and Ronda together on a show and what if they wound up having an affair oh it' be Giant news Dana Bri would probably pull them aside give him some ecstasy say listen you guys want to make you want to make a lot of money can you imagine that would be like Brad p and Angelina J an MMA right there yeah them yeah them eloping together it be so similar that's hilarious it would be the exact same thing it would be the exact same thing he's the real fight club and she's the number one chick on the planet who's who has more power than Angelina Jolie she can go to any goddamn country easily she wants to go go meet the president of Uganda she can make that happen he's gonna yeah are you kidding he's gonna he's going to send a private

26:07jet for her well she's become like an ambassador for like it's not just she can get into anybody's house yeah she's not just an actress she does so much humanitarian work she adopts so many kids isn't isn't that awesome it's amazing what they do I mean a lot of people trival trivialize it because we always have suspect motives we always suspect like oh they're just doing it for the public oh they're just she's just crazy but at the end of the day she's adopting a bunch of people and spending a bunch of time working to help all these sick needy and poor people I mean she does some pretty incredible man that's a lot of positive energy I I mean it's uh it's probably why her she's had the the most amazing career ever I mean she's hot and everything but there's a lot of hot chicks out there she's she remains relevant because of all that philanthropy seems like she

26:55wouldn't be she wouldn't be doing doing all that she's doing if she didn't appreciate life way more than the average person so she's living in a state of appreciation so much she's wanting to give back so much and change the world she's so into it and that's just like a overproduction of appreciation and then look at her career anything she comes out with she's she's A-list all the way through not only that even if her movies suck people just forget about them they just don't talk about them anymore it's not like Angelina Jolie sucks but if they were going to do like uh alien six with Angelina Jolie you'd be like oh Angelina Jolie's going to be in the alien movie like you would never think like oh this is how bad the cast is she's done like that uh Cinderella type movie it's kind of like a Disney Super animated Butella right something like that I don't know how big that was maybe

27:47that did like a 100 million or something it was big it was big for kids perfect for her yeah she could do anything I mean like movie star wise any any role that she really wants to pursue she could do for now you know as she gets into her 40s it'll be harder and harder that's what it is for those women like those Merill Street type women who were just smashing it in the 80s just killing it she's such a good actress godamn she's good she's so believable and she's so but as they get like in their 50s and in their 60s it's hard to find roles there's not a lot of movies made about 60-year old ladies yeah you know like so you have like a support role that may or may not be juicy it might be boring might not be someone's mom once you start playing the moms well that was one of the things Robin Williams was saying Rob Williams was saying before he died that it was really getting really hard

28:34for him because the only things that he was being offered that were interesting at all were like scale or sometimes not even scale like you have to do it for free no way yeah yeah like w I thought he was still huge he was he was but the things that he found interesting he would do these movies that were just they didn't have any money they didn't have any budget but those were the interesting like did you ever see that 24-hour film hour photo what was it called I think it was called 24-hour photo or something like that he played a psycho like a real psycho that like starts was that his last was that his last film no no no no that was a few years ago but he started getting interested in doing these like small independent films like that and you know they would offer him like a piece of the back end or something like that probably but he had a huge nut he had a giant ass

29:20house up in like Northern California 1 hour photo that's what it was dude he was so good in that movie God damn it you would never believe that he's a hilar you never believe that the same guy from Mor and Mindy would be this creeper in one hour photo he was awesome in it but um my point being he had um like a a estate in northern California that was worth like 20 million bucks he had like all these bills he had the crazy Mad following his heart with these roles crushed him no no no no no no he had some serious physical issues you know he committed suicide for whatever reason only he knows but there was a lot going on he had Parkinson's disease he he had some sort of dementia that apparently was coming on um his his mind wasn't functioning very well his body was failing he had a massive heart attack okay he had a massive heart attack and then in going through uh

30:16heart surgery uh Dr Mark Gordon you met Dr Gordon right you met that guy uh I don't know uh he's the one that does all the work with traumatic brain injury patients and he said that when people go through any kind of a giant surgery like that like heart surgery when you have to be under for a long period of time a lot of times your hormonal system is devastated after that your your body is like really up and it can send you into a depression like the recovery from a major like heart surgery like what what he what he had done is apparently like it's a devastating thing on your body takes a long time to recover from and in that recovery process he thinks that a lot of patients suffer from Mass of depression and there's like a correlation between suicide attempts post uh surgery that he thinks possibly could be attributed to this devastating effect that being under for a long

31:08period of times and then the trauma of the surgery can have on you so he had a lot going that was wrong before he killed himself yeah all the energy this is just me guessing this is like bro biology but I'm guessing when you're going through something like that and you're about to die and going through some major surgery your body is like we're not thinking about being happy at all right now we're thinking about being alive so it stops all serotonin production just to keep you alive and when you recover your is so depleted that maybe that's why you're depressed that's me guessing it could be it it's also could just be a it's a massive strain on the system you know it's uh one of the reasons why they would prescribe steroids after surgery is they would prescribe it especially to athletes when they get injured not just to make them recover quickly but because

31:58during that recovery process your body is very weak like when you're when you have some major going on with your body you have some major fixed like for the X amount of weeks afterwards depending upon how old you are and how healthy you are you feel wrecked you just feel wrecked just like oh CU your body is like danger danger resources dude we got screws in our knee we have uh there's an incision there's stitches there's screws in the patella and in the bottom this is crazy they cut off piece of our Patel attendant and stuffed it inside where the ACL used to be there's no ACL all this inflammation like your body's on just like crash alert your body knows something some pretty devastating severe has happened to it so uh I think depending upon how healthy you are it's it can be uh rough times afterwards and I think for an older dude like him who already has these physical issues I

32:54don't know if Parkinson's happened before or if he had had the symptoms how did he kill himself again he hung himself damn yeah damn yeah man is that a uh a quick way to go in suicide people do that they want to suffer a little bit they do if they don't want to shoot themselves or they don't or they don't want to suffer from pills you know there's only a few ways to go um California actually just passed a law for assisted suicide which is going to be interesting I don't know the particular details of the law but uh when people are terminally ill like if you're dying of cancer or something like that you're just in agony every day um now finally you can end your own life and you can have doctor assisted suicide you know they've been doing it to people either on the sneak tip or you people have had to go to states where it's legal like I believe it's legal in

33:45Oregon but now it's going to be legal here too it's amazing that you can't you you have to eventually everyone has to think about like that people put their dog down okay your dog's in agony you put your dog down but not Grandpa Grandpa's got to suffer Grandpa's got to just keep his pants and throwing up and falling down and breaking all his bones and then stitching back together again and give him some pills and if Grandpa was a dog you would have put Grandpa out a long time ago you know if grandpa says look I'm ready to go you bring in the doctor the doctor are you of sound mind yes I'm you know I'm 95 years old I've had a great life have wonderful family around I'd like them be around when I pass and that's it and you go which is probably a good way to go man it's probably a good way to go I think um the idea that you're supposed to suffer and make it to the

34:35end because it's natural well that that's not how we treat our cats you know if your cat is in Agony man you put your cat down your dog gets hit by a car and he's not going to make it he's just howling you put your dog down it's idea that people have to make it to some Finish Line Darkness it is dark yeah Darkness brace that Darkness um the dark the darkness makes you appreciate the light you know that kind of that makes you appreciate the light yeah man it's like we're all going to have to deal with that sooner or later or you die early you know one of the one or the other you're going to go through that old age in the hospital falling apart people taking care of you everybody's going to go through that or you're going to die before that yeah one of the other um my friend from Boston just died my uh boss when I was starting out toing standup comedy I stayed friends with him

35:30from uh for the past 26 years his his name is Dave Dolan he was a private investigator and he uh he needed a um needed a driver because he lost his license with a DUI and he said it I'm quit and drinking that's it but I need a driver because he still had to work so he put an ad out in the One ads for uh private investigator's assistant and I uh answer the ad and I met this dude and he was hilarious it was mostly insurance cases occasionally it would be like a guy who thinks his wife's cheating on him but most of it was insurance cases where people would pretend to be injured and they would get they would get another job like working for cash under the table Yeah and he'd catch them because like the insurance company was paying them millions of dollars or whatever they were paying them and then they would go get another job probably not Millions you know um maybe they're suing

36:18what whatever it was most of these people they would get up early in the morning go work other job so we would just wait so we would drive to this location go up the street so our car would be facing that house and we shut the car off and wait we get there real just like the movies mhm like 4:00 in the morning but you're sitting there at 4:00 in the morning waiting for this dude wake up you just start talking and he would just talk he was hilarious who would talk Dave this guy Dave oh your partner yeah he was one of the funniest people I've ever met in my life like how old are you at this time I was 21 and you were doing stand up already just starting standup I was just doing Open Mic nights I was still fighting he was one of the last guys to see me fight and um he uh he would just talk talk about like he was one of those guys that like women could never ever get him to change

37:06like it was impossible like there was no there was no like what should I do man she wants me to she wants me to change she wants me to change the way I'm dressing she wants me to move into some new neighborhood she wants me to quit my job and you know maybe I'm going to convert and become Jewish there was none of that in that dude none from the moment I met him he was like that you do that that's the beginning of the end pal listen that's how they get you and he would always used to be laughing like never I I don't believe he was ever married he might have been but even if he was I'm sure that chick had zero control of that guy that guy was crazy he was hilarious he was a guy that was meant to be a comedian that never became a comedian 100% he could have been a worldclass comedian he was funny and he was insightful and his cousin actually owned the comedy connection his

37:53cousin was Bill DS who's one of the owners of the comedy connection so I didn't even know this when I started working for him and he's asking me you know what do you do and and I told him the whole deal and he he was like my cousin's Billy DS I'm like I do Open Mic nights there he's like no and so he easily like if he just decided to go and do it he just never did it he easily could have been a comedian he was hilarious and we would do these things we would show up at people's houses and he would have like a list of license plates and on one of those one of those license plates would be the license plate of the person that we're looking at the other ones would be scratched out and maybe a couple more they just write a few in and get to this one and he would say listen my girl was in a hit and run accident and this uh this guy he took off but someone got the

38:39plate and they they didn't get it all but they got this amount of it you know you know and the guy was like well that definitely wasn't me hey wow I'm so sorry to hear that is she okay they go well she's going to be all right but she's got a a bulging disc in her L7 which is exactly what this guy's injury was and and the person would go go that's crazy I have that same injury oh no kidding huh well uh you you you you getting the compensation and the guy go yeah you're getting paid and oh yeah yeah it's great they're pay and I'm also working under another name like they would just tell you like this woman told us that very story she told us she was working under her maiden name then she had us inside for coffee this is how crazy people were in 1988 they have you in their house for coffee we didn't know this lady was two men two men I mean me I was 21 and he he was

39:25probably like 31 32 at the time and had us in her house and drink coffee with us and Dave's asking her so how do you work that and she's telling him you know well you she's my maiden name like so what happened to you and he and he's tape recording it no no he's just listening just listening so he goes uh so did you get hurt or did you just the whole thing she I got hurt a little bit but I was fine a little so as I went to the doctor and the doctor looked at me like she gave up the whole she gave up the whole story and then we left I was like God I feel so bad we can't rat her out she's so nice he goes her she goes she goes her we got the car and I felt I felt terrible cuz this lady was so nice and she let us in on her scam like her she's a scammer her he he would never ever show any sympathy for those people that were like scam and insurance like that's what the

40:20that was the game it was like uh I'm the sheep dog you're the coyote I'm going to jack you it's like that cartoon where they was go wouldn't follow him you would just see him walking and then you go up to him totally depends sometimes we would actually show up at the job site we catch a guy like on a roof with a bag of shingles on his on his back and then what do you do what do you say just just find out where the guy is find out what you take photos he had a camera take photos of the guy and go look this guy's working and then and then the the what they usually would happen I believe the way they would work is insurance company would threaten the person and would say they're going to have him arrested for forgery and for for fraud rather and then the person would either settle or they would maybe have to pay some of the money back and they just the insurance company just

41:03knew they were being scammed yeah and they didn't want to uh did you ever have to anybody up no no no nothing ever got ugly nothing even got yell was Dave what year was this 88 80 eight yeah Dave was like real good at talking to people he was like a he was a but he loved it he loved the scamming people he loved it he just loved it you're getting paid though aren't you like he he would love like baiting them in and getting him to talk about it and he' get in the car and start laughing that dummy he gave us everything look at these photos perfect he goes him he goes he goes him how would Joey do him that would be a rough I'd have to think about that oh he was I don't know man mean him but he just died of cancer just died of cancer uh last week real quick apparently I just I started getting some emails and messages about it I I was like no way and uh thank was

41:59the last time you talked to him last time I was in Boston just a few months ago and I was I'm going back to Boston in January and I was going to get him tickets to the fights and I was hoping to you know have some dinner with him or something hang out with him but we stayed friends we stayed friends all this time he was a good dude man stayed became you know stayed being a private investigator every now and then you called me up with some crazy story some crazy story one of them was this guyy whose girlfriend was getting by this bodybuilder she was uh she was meeting this gorilla who was just just ragd dolling her just just Savage her and uh this guy kept wanting to get her followed like the one the guy was like a real nerdy guy he's like computer guy and his girlfriend was just just just getting mauled all the time by this dude and he suspected it so he hires a private

42:49investigator and then Dave was like dude I can't keep taking pictures of your girl getting by this giant guy it's starting to get creepy okay so so uh we're done here walk but him telling him this guy's like oh go follow her tomorrow follow her tomorrow are you looking at the pictures I'm looking at because he would like take pictures of this guy just I need more piing her he probably loved those pictures oh I bet he did well he's probably a cuckold you know like that's what they say that's like a whole style of porn now it's like a guy it's usually like black guys like a white guy who's nerdy he's like um yeah sure come on in like oh man this your wife oh I your wife was this hot uh she is my wife um I not sure if I want you talking about her like that talking about this wants my dick oh she want this dick like oh she's sucking my dick right in front of

43:45you there porn like that and there's an old man there's always old like like husbands sh she's like a feeble guy a feeble guy and a black guy with a he never pulls his dick out black no no no no the guy white guy I'm sure there P yeah most of the time the white gu getting abused the husband never most well I'm sure there's some the husband too I'm sure there's some with the husband get I'm sure there's some with the husband has to suck the guy's dick like maybe the wife the H maybe the maybe the husband has to sit there this is the ultimate cuckold the husband has to sit there while this giant super aete his girl and then when the guy comes he comes in the husband's mouth that's the ultimate one it's the only time the husband sucks the guy's dick but as he could get over here get your head over here he puts the guy's head right down on the wife what the wife's

44:35stomach while he's just plowing it then he pulls it out and stuffs it in the dude's mouth right now someone's writing this down and then making this video they like probably shooting it this week dudes on Twitter sending you links it already exists it's like a whole trilogy it's that's actually quite normal it's probably a website oh come in the husbands mouth.com you've never been you don't even know that website bro yeah this whatever you can think of man when when we were first when you were first exposed to porn I was exposed like in high school that's when I first found out about porn it was all so normal it was just the the worst thing that would happen is two people get together and they have sex that was it that all that ever happened but then somewhere around the time like we were in our Germans and the Japanese Oh you mean porn that's not even porn that's

45:26just that's just weird but even just regular porn became more about like gagging and and gagging yeah girls like even the when they suck dick now it's like they're they're doing it like they're trying to kill themselves trying commit suicide is that the new thing I didn't know that the gagging noises is good there's a lot of that dude you've never seen g gag y there's a lot of that it's just it seems like people got bored with the regular stuff and then it got more and more and more me later gag at me scream at me later and I'll make you gag too long yeahh hash scream at me later and I'll make you gag oh man I was talking about this the other day with Chris Ryan that like porn like the look of a girl's vagina like shaved vaginas that's the only way now like there's very few bushes yeah if a girl has a bush these days like she's taking a big chance she's being very

46:24eccentric but back then it was all all bushes there was a point in time when I was like 22 that I actually preferred a little bush cuz when girls would shave it would like burn like it would like SCA my you know what I mean because of the stubble but when they left it kind of bushy it was all nice and Squishy felt better good point I was really into it so when a girl had a little Bush I'm like damn I'd like to squish into her some girls get all crazy lasered and they do their legs they're laser that but isn't that nuts man that we use like a light beam we don't want hair on are there cultures where a girls with hairy legs are hot must be there's got to be a couple countries at least three well how about that country in Africa was it Suri where they they cut their lips and they put plates in them Y and the bigger the plate the more cattle you're worth when you get married yep

47:21what who who's I want to know that story I want a documentary on how that happened like evolution of that big plate on that lip like when did it get cool who brought it up who is the who is the Helio Gracie of them lip plates who made that up you know what I mean and there's got to be a story well I've heard speculation that the way they did it they made the girl's lip like that so that she wouldn't be attractive to uh slaves to slavers the people that were like trying to get slaves how did it get to that point I know right that be like everyone agreed on that like well don't allow lot of people that have like uh a lot of like metal in their face and and a lot of people have crazy piercings in their cheeks and their nose their lips don't people usually say that that's a sign like and this is like this is total bro psychology right but that that's a sign

48:14of people that have been abused isn't that like usually a sign of people that have had something like bad happen to them right maybe like back in olden times before there was mental institutions like the crazy people of the village the town the big cities like the like in Rome all the crazy people they just went out to the jungle and started their own little culture and uh some of them are nuts like who thought of these stories how' the Romans get all the way to Africa did they ever make who invented that plate lip yeah I think it was probably it makes sense though if you look at like when you see okay if you see a girl with a bunch of in her face don't you immediately assume like oh this girl's probably molested don't you yeah right whether or not that's fair or not yeah just just being honest it's probably totally not true it's probably totally not true but you

49:02assume it right automatically we we we've developed a correlation between people that like like girls with face tattoos or five eyebrow rings and a nose ring and two lip rings and a tongue ring and all okay what's going on here there's definitely uh the signs of abuse like for me growing up with long hair that was a I thought when I was growing up my you my dad was never around and my stepdad didn't give a you know I thought that doesn't affect me I'm too strong I'm 12 13 I'm 15 16 I'm always thinking that never affected me I didn't need no Dad it was always that way that didn't affect me but when I look back at the pictures of my Mex big Mexican family there's all these normal looking people and then there's the dude like at the wedding with the long hair was pissed off that he's there and not hanging out with his friends it was always me pissed pictures like just like

49:50this it was like normal for me to be like at the wedding at the kinetta at the big whatever sh just pissed off that I'm not with my friends and playing music and listening to Slayer and just and I thought I wasn't affected I was so affected I was in a drummer in speed metal bands writing satanic lyrics and I thought I wasn't affected my hair was long I was always in a pissed off mood like oh no I'm fine I'm fine that I'm too strong for that my dad I don't need him I didn't give a but damn he he damaged me of course damage right there every kid that doesn't get paid attention to yeah that's a it's a core component of being a human being like food like water like being out in the sun all those things are important for the development of a human being attention and love from your family is what makes you a loving person like you become loving when you're loved when

50:47you're not loved you know you turn inward you get angry you get aggressive that's what happens to people it's natural when you find people that are abused they're usually a lot of times those people wind up being abusive themselves they lash out you know I wonder if that is what happened with the sui women that that they were like being taken as slaves and so they just started doing up to their face to make themselves unattractive and they started their own little camp and then it turned into a village and then boom there a bunch of crazy people started by like one crazy dude like that one dude who's in those those those uh piercing circuses what do you call those things you know that's like uh piercing circuses oh yeah I know what you're talking about you know those crazy weird freak shows but with a lot of pierc and like that like you know like they like a million they're hanging from

51:31like some crane I mean I'm down with tattoos you know that I like tattoos but maybe not all over the face generally generally you wanted a little bit you know what I mean like the Mike Tyson one I like it now Mike Tyson's a bad I like it you know and then you know Kat Von D got some stars and a little bit and you know the neck ones are cool and all that too that's all but when you're hanging from a crank and you got uh these Rings all around your skull and they're hanging you Jesus there's something I want to know what happened yeah something happened yeah something happened yeah well maybe maybe he it was just like me maybe his father wasn't around and well just think about your your situation was bad right but we all know people who was way worse you know like you you got through uninjured you know no one was raping you you know there's like you got

52:23through like relatively speak absolutely I I never I'm you know I wouldn't change a thing right about my life nor would I but a lot of people didn't right and when you see like really up people like really crazy out there people a lot of times that's what they're reacting to whatever kind of abuse it was right whether it was sexual abuse whether it was violence whether it was abandonment whatever it is whatever pain and hurting you know made them try to try to become something different or try to seek out others like her or like him you know that's what what people do when they form these it's like when you're talking about like being at the weddding like wanted to be with your friends I remember that exact same feeling I only felt normal when I was with my friends that's it like every time else I was like oh my God I can't be here I can't do this I can't do this

53:07I don't want to do this I just got to go to my friends and everybody will we'll relax together we'll be able to talk and laugh and off that was like always the appeal of uh hanging out at the pool hall when I was young when I when I started hanging out this place called executive billiards in White Plains with uh my friend Johnny that died from drugs um that place was just we'd all we were all Misfits was like how the comedy store is that's what Mitsy Shore actually calls The Comedy Store The Island of Misfit Toys that that's like her nickname for it because all these weirdos come from all over the world but they all they go there and they realize when they're there like there's other people like me there's other people like me I just had to find them I just had to find these just they weren't at the wedding they weren't at the kinera yeah back then like when I look at

53:50movies from the'80s like in those movies you're looking at people that are not connected they don't have that internet phone that we got you know what I mean it's like that life there is no everyone is disconnected every the only thing that we were connected to was TV and radio the big networks that's the only way we can connect and you know people say that we're more connected now than ever we are in a lot of ways but in some ways because we weren't individually connected and there was only one source NBC CBS ABC we actually that actually connected every body and there was everyone listening to the radio and uh the radio stations were creating stars and everybody saw Different Strokes you went to school and like everyone saw 8:30 Friday night on NBC everyone knew these are special spots that's how everyone got connected in these special 8:00 on Thursday cheers and

54:47everyone got they were so connected way more connected now people aren't on those like the radio doesn't have that much power I never listen to radio ever I'm listen listening to like satellite radio I never listen to radio yeah never it's always satellite so everyone is like less more connected to their Niche but there's that's huge out there like there's I was driving down the street and I saw this billboard in downtown of uh uh king daddy king Daddy's a white guy or apparently he's Latin but it looks like a white guy like vanilla ice and says King Daddy I thought it was like are they filming a movie like some kind of parody movie here that's what I thought it was I and then I looked at I go this is the craziest thing he's playing at the Staples king daddy I've never heard of him I Wikipedia him he's huge like holy there's people that are huge and and because we're so

55:39disconnected with everybody we're just connected more and more with the people that are like us and then that's it then we could shut everybody out we don't have to be all together but the old way in in that one way about NBC CBS and we all saw the news in 60 minutes we were in at some times at those periods we were all connected all of us boom we were all like one we all knew the same but now we're all on on our own planet now it's so true like I'll go to someone's twitter page and they're a musician I'm like who is this guy five million Twitter followers I'm like what the I never heard of this person you would know that guy because we would all be on those same channels everybody would be on the same B now we're all we get our news from different places like do people still really watch the news on like Fox News it's like you there's a lot of people that do though man there's

56:28not a lot just a lot of people that do there's a lot of people that only like they'll they they only follow like right-wing news sources so they have like a right-wing news idea and that's the only thing they talk about and so if they interact with something online they like clearly you haven't been paying attention cuz that's been debunked you're like okay how's it been debunked and you'll go and like read how it's been debunked that has been debunked at all everything been debunked there's a debunk for a debunk for a debunk for a debunk every everything like debunk it's really simple it's like where you get it's really really is an info or just like Alex Jones says it really is it isn't about uh this Theory and then that theory and the official story everyone goes to science but science that that is what uh people need to uh it's not just science it's unbiased science can is

57:16where's the science coming from let's look at the science you're just reading something off the internet where's that science come from so it really is information because it's so easy to brainwash people nowadays so easy the media is under controlas I think it's way harder I think it's way harder to get people to believe now than ever before it's way harder to control I think it's I think they're doing a brilliant job man are you thinking I mean just like most people think that uh that 911 wasn't an inside job most people believe that Tower 7 fell because of fires because the government told them I mean that's scary man it is you know what I mean what if 911 wasn't an inside job spending all this time thinking it was what if it was just a bunch of incomp of people me the amount of people that to involved to make it a conspiracy be pretty big right would it be more likely

58:04that there's a bunch of idiots running the government which we've always known are true than to have this one Mastermind stroke of Genius no not at all when you look at when you look at the evidence I mean when uh when the 911 Comm gone down this road when the 911 it's really simple it's really simp when the 911 uh commission we had video a bunch of different angles of tower 7 coming down we have that video unquestionably one of the hardest things to answer so so you just got to just like a detective you got to look at it like a detective you got you got okay that building came down so we the people want to know uh what happened to Tower 7 how come it looks like a demo it looks like it exploded it look it must be exploded That's The Conspiracy Theory what does the government say nothing it's not in the 911 Commission report they deny it there's no there's they

58:49don't say anything they don't acknowledge it after public pressure of wanting to know if uh that was a controlled demo or not we want a real investigation finally in 2008 they F nist finally came out a government agency comes out and he's and they ask them they go what he gives a little presentation that Tower 7 uh was brought down because it got too hot and then he starts Fielding questions and they said H why didn't you guys test for explosives this is what this is all about you know what he said the answer was there were no witnesses that said they heard explosions that was his answer and there's uh endless endless video after video after video after video after video firemen policemen witness after witness after witness there's all on video all in video right when it happens and then the bombs went off and then before that plane and then bombs were just and then

59:42the whole Lobby was just bombs and then we turned around we were going down the elevator and the elevator blew up and there's everyone saying bombs the the newscasters are saying while they're there going everyone's saying bombs are going off everywhere every they took all that and bar buried it they were saying there's all this they said n it's on video they're saying we didn't have any they go you didn't check for explosives they go no we didn't check for explosive there was no witnesses that said they heard explosions and there was shitload I got to repeat it you know when you look at that what does that tell you what it what it tells you is they're gangsters man they're lying they're gangsters it's really simple well it's it's possible the gangsters it's also possible that they're it's also possible that they're trying to figure out a way to explain something that they they just

60:29did a really shitty job explaining in the past I'm not an architect I'm not an architect I'm not an engineer I don't understand how buildings what what they need to stay up and I don't understand what can bring them down when I look at that though it looks like a controll demolition it behaves exactly the same I've never heard of a building that falls apart like that and just breaks apart in free in freef fall but what do I know I mean I don't know there was apparently massive fires all throughout the building cuz there was some diesel fuel that they had in the basement giant diesel tanks and if those things were on fire and if the building was on fire in some sort of a crazy way where it weakened the whole thing however unlikely where uniformally once one part of it gave out it just gave in they didn't test for explosives I understand that but what would Disturbed me about

61:15that scenario that I just just said was why didn't someone sue for that building falling apart like I I would think that if that was my building and my building just caved in when it caught on fire I'd be like let let me show you some videos of buildings that didn't cave in cuz they were up alaze just on fire like every corner of the building is fire and this this is just fire inside the building that fell apart I would sue yeah there's up there's so much in it's so deep the so what do you think happened what do you think happened if you if you believe this if you believe that this is a conspiracy to take down Tower 7 well this is this is I want to say this I always thought I was I knew the 911 conspiracy quite well I kind kind I I kind of understood how it you know I I could argue with people I thought I was I thought I was a brown belt oh my God I

62:04I watched this documentary that I don't even know if it's out yet uh the dude who put it together he sent it to me it's five hours long 5 hours long I watched it twice already oh my God it's and it's all news clips and he and he's narrating through it he's got so much information about how it went down Alex Jones is like a purple belt compared to this guy name is Ryan Dawson and the documentary is the the Empire unmasked unmasked I kiss unmasked the Empire unmasked I can't even say unmasked but holy it gets so deep it's like watching it's like uh watching Harry one of the like a movie that was a book watching the movie and then watching it three times and then going back and reading the book and you're like oh my God there's so much there's such a backstory and there's all these different players and all this evidence that was dude there's no way anybody could watch that

63:00documentary and still think and he's got all the evidence dude he breaks it all down dude it's it's there's so much there's so much one one of my favorite things about 911 that never gets brought up was the press conference at Donald rumel had the day before the Pentagon got hit where he was talking about all the money that was missing it was like trillions of dollars right like trillions of dollars they couldn't account for and then the plane slams into the en counting Department I mean if we are living in a movie this is an awesome movie I want to know if that is true find out the the plane that hit the Pentagon hit the accounting department that's what that's what everybody always said the naval intelligence office which was investigating a lot of these uh illegal Securities it was all dude there it was according to this documentary The Empire and mass in a nutshell in a nutshell in

63:46a nutshell aliens Saudi Arabia uh there first first I want to say first I want to say I love this country I love the United States day just dare you Eddie Bravo I just I'm just scared of the government that's all I love the country but we have some in every government people would agree that there's a criminal element in every government everybody believes that there's Crooks running right so I'm not saying anything that crazy the uh according to this documentary The it's dude you you got to go way back like a hundred years it's it's all tied together okay from the banana wars in the early 1900s it's all all about drug trade between C controlling Central America uh first of all before you go into any conspiracy theories the one conspiracy theory that is uh uh uh that's real is the Iran Contra conspiracy theory that's actually real it's out what if you look into it

64:43what was it George Bush Senor got busted him and Oliver North there was a few key people doing some that the rest of the government didn't know about that's a conspiracy the they were running guns and drugs through Arkansas and Iran and Israel were all involved it's a big drug arms ring that's all it is they're all making money off it they've been doing it the banana wars were all about the drugs they used the United States used to with other countries go in and Jack them and take their then they realize it's easier if we just control the government we'll organize a coup and we'll put our our guy and we'll just take that we don't need to fight them so they just pulled all the military out and they've been doing that it's all this Nicaragua the Iran contract they got busted but they've been doing it forever it's like a family business when when you're at the top

65:38they got busted that's not a conspiracy theory they used to think it was a conspiracy theory in the 70s and everyone said a conspiracy theory there's news reports people are like it's crazy and then it comes out 10 years later they get busted Ronald Reagan says he didn't know he doesn't recall the vice president is George senior he's the ex- head of the CIA he's running the whole thing I I I know I'm well aware the story we have to be careful about people's attention spans but they get busted you got to explain this it's right there in the early 80s the that happened from JFK and Beyond but JFK is connected to iron Contra which is connected to 911 it's all the same players it's all the same it's a big old drug cartel going on it's so all the big uh it's a corporate um it's all about uh um the mob sells the drugs that the drug that the government brings in they

66:32always had a mob relationship there's always been the government running drugs using the mob to make money for covert operations they've always done that that's the way they do it they and and all everything that's happening in the Middle East that's all it is to America Israel they want to up they wanted to up Iraq the criminal element they they want but the United States are like they need to control the poppy seeds so it was oil drugs the same they just needed a reason to get in there everybody knows that we invaded Iraq because of 91 but there now we know that there's zero connection that was all we know that's a that's a fact that's not a conspiracy theory that was no weapons of mass destruction we just needed a reason to get in there dude they there's documents that they talk about this these great con uh uh Pac this group like how are we going to

67:23take over and what is the best route to to do talking about we need a reason to get into the Middle East and control we need a big event it's on paper they don't give a you ever see the video where General General Wesley Clark starts talking about uh invading like what what's going to be done the the the timeline that's been laid out for United States to invade all these other countries and take over have you ever seen that I heard something about that you never seen the video no what is it you should watch it because it's pretty fascinating what's it called General Wesley Clark who's a guy who ran for president I think he ran for president in 2004 yeah when did he run for president 2008 maybe maybe 2008 whenever it was that he ran for president um he was a four he was a uh just decorated General and like a a patriot a war herero a guy who like really well

68:13respected and I believe it was on Charlie Rose and he laid out the government's plan like the people that are you you would you would be fascinated by this I'll play it for you because for people that are listening to this and go sounds like Agenda 21 he's explaining explaining like what he was privy to as a four-star general or whatever he was yeah and um in this video for people to listen to this going this is all crazy conspiracy talk when you hear a guy like Wesley Clark presidential candidate like very decorated very well-respected general saying these things like listen to what he says got it listen to us about 10 days after 9/11 I went through the Pentagon and I saw secretary Rumsfeld and and deputy secretary woltz I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on The Joint staff who we've made the decision we're going to war with Iraq this was honor and he said sir

69:08you got to come in you got to come in and talk to me a second I said September I said we're going to war with Iraq why he said I don't know he said I guess they don't know what else to do so uh I said well they find some information collect connecting Saddam to al- Qaeda he said no no he says there's nothing new that way they just made the decision to go to war with Iraq he said I guess it's like we don't know what to do about terrorists but we got a good military and we can take a nail so I came back to see him a few weeks later and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan I said are we still going to war with Iraq and he said oh it's worse than that he said down governments and um he said I guess if if the only two you have is a hammer every problem reached over on his desk he picked up a piece of paper he said I just he said I just got this down from

70:03upstairs meeting the secretary of defense office today and he said this is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in 5 years starting with Iraq and then Syria Lebanon Libya Somalia Sudan and finishing off Iran come on man now this this is the scariest part of trth this the scariest you want to keep it going been no oil there it would be like Africa nobody is threatening to intervene in Africa the problem is the opposite we keep asking for people to intervene and stop it and there's uh there's no question that the presence of petroleum throughout the region has sparked great power involvement whether that was the specific motivation for the coup or not I can't tell you but but there was definitely there's always been this attitude that somehow we could intervene and use force in the region boom yeah the scariest thing is you

71:00could watch something like this and like a skeptic who doesn't believe in any conspiracy you could watch this they'll they'll watch it and something like they've been programmed like they've been hypnotized like no matter what obey the official story do you see that video that was just about to come up major Smedley Butler check that out that the the video that is about to come up was the the um the letter that major Smedley Butler wrote in like 1930 something and he was uh another famous war hero who uh wrote a letter like realizing when he was leaving the military that war is a racket Major General Smedley Butler and the fascist takeover the USA is it play anything you can roughly locate any Community somewhere along a scale running all the way from democracy to despotism this man makes it his job to study these things well for one thing avoid the comfortable idea that the mere form of

72:06govern can of itself Safeguard a nation against despotism for big business despotism was often a useful tool for securing foreign markets and pursuing profits one of the US Marine corps's most highly decorated generals Smedley darling Butler by his own account helped pacify Mexico for American oil companies Haiti and Cuba for National City Bank Nicaragua for the Brown Brothers brokerage the Dominican Republic for sugar interests Honduras for us fruit companies and China for Standard Oil General Butler Services were also in demand in the United States itself in the 1930s as President Franklin Delano Roosevelt sought to relieve the of the depression through public Enterprise and tougher regulations on corporate exploitation and misdeeds more power to you President Roosevelt the entire countryes behind you thrilled with hope and patriotism but the country was not entirely behind

73:11the populist president large parts of the corporate Elite despised what Roosevelt's New Deal stood for and so in 1934 A group of conspirators sought to involve General Butler in a treasonous plan plan the plan as outlining to me was to form an organization of veterans to use as a bluff or as a club at least to intimidate the government but the corporate cabal had picked the wrong man Butler was fed up with being what he called a gangster for capitalism I appeared before the Congressional committee the highest representation of the American people under subpoena to tell what I knew of AC activities which I believe might lead to an attempt to set up a fascist dictatorship the upshot of the whole thing was that I was supposed to lead an organization of 500,000 men which would be able to take over the functions of government how crazy is that a congressional committee ultimately found

74:12evidence of a plot to overthrow Roosevelt according to butlery included represent some of America's top corporations own the cdcp Morgan Dupont and Tire as today's chairman of Goodyear Tire knows for corporations to dominate government a coup is no longer necessary corporations have gone Global and by going global the uh governments have lost some control over corporations regardless of whether the corporation can be trusted or cannot be trusted governments today do not have over the corporations the power that they had and The Leverage that they had 50 or 60 years ago that's a major change so governments have become powerless compared to where they were before capitalism today commands The Towering Heights and has displaced politics and politicians as the new high priests and reigning oligarchs of our system so capitalism and its principal protagonists and players corporate CE

75:25have been accorded unusual power and access this is not to deny the significance of government and politicians but these are the new high priests okay well that's all uh that's pretty much proven what you're saying I mean that when you look at that you look at Iran Contra and people don't care this is how this is the scariest part is uh you know how certain amount of people can be hypnotized you know you go to hypnotist show the guy before the show starts he has a couple tests he goes I got that idiot and I got that all you others sit down he knows he could figure it out that's not like conspiracy theory right he fig what is it that's that's pretty crazy that he knows that there's a few people that he could hypnotize and there's others that he can't so then he makes him do weird and people have is hypnotism real do can people be hypnotized and can they is it real that you can hypnotize

76:17someone wake them up they appear to be woken up and when they hear you say a certain word they react a certain way is that real or is that F real I think with some people people if uh if they they get good enough at it I've seen documentaries but maybe they were hoaxes I don't know I don't know if they're real I'm pretty sure well I've been hypnotized and hypnotism is real it definitely is it puts you well it's not at least with me what what the guy was trying to do was not what I think would be done if someone was trying to get you to do something like that but if it's if is it possible to hypnotize someone in their own whatever way whatever way works and tell them them when you wake up when I hear when you hear the Bell you're going to react a certain way or you're going to think a certain way and so that person could be totally awake at work MH and then you could say something

77:06and they react a certain way is that that I'm not that I'm not sure of it appears that I think that's that's like there's given a lot of time from the hypnosis event oh no not at work I don't know if it works at work but I'm not I'm not I don't know why I said at work but I'm just saying if it work who knows maybe it's supposed to wear off after 5 minutes or 10 when does it wear off change you know like if you're in a state of anger state of depression there's like a state that you achieve when you get hypnotized even though you're aware of you're awake let me just explain what it feels like it felt like like I was almost like I was on drugs like uh I went to some weird like uh khole or something like that like it was very strange it felt uh very almost not I want I want to say out of body but inner body but I was awake I was never asleep but like if anything crazy

77:53happened like an alarm went off or I would have got right up like I would have been fine but in that state like someone can talk you into that state and you put yourself you willingly allow yourself to get into that state that's for me in this situation if it was a different situation and it was a more gullible person or more easily LED person and then the the hypnosis uh professional was like more into doing that more hypnosis professionals not hypnotist okay if that guy was uh more into uh getting you to remember a certain noise or a certain sound and when you heard that sound you're going to associate with something yeah something I think that's possible okay so let's assume that's real and it probably is it might be all hoaxes but I've seen documentaries I I don't know for sure it's a documentary I don't think it is a hoax I so let's just assume it's real if

78:44that's real then that then you can say that a certain percent of the population can be hypnotized right just like that not everybody but a certain what is that percentage let's just say let's just guess and say what if it's 30% of the population has hyp hypnotism abilities e it might be everyone if you allow yourself to be it might be everyone exactly it might be let's just say 30% let's say 60 40 whatever then that if those documentaries that we're talking about is true if it is real that you could do that then can you trigger something the the people that can be hypnotized like 30% of them can you program something on TV whether it's in the news or whatever something are they doing something to handle those people and get them to only believe in what they see on TV you don't have to do it like that you don't have to do it with yeah but you wouldn't do it that

79:42way no because You' have to sit down with those people and actually hypnotize them you had to get them into that state you have to know what kind of state they're in when you're bringing these suggestions into their mind sometimes I'm watching TV and I'm hypnotized watching Narco high as yeah but that's different I don't think the government is trying to hypnotize you through Naros you know you don't believe that do you what the government's trying to hypnotize you through Netflix ah probably I believe that I don't think Netflix is in cahoot to the government I've had meetings with them they seem like normal people um but my point is this is just my wild conspiracy theory that I mean an answer an attempt to answer the question why you can show someone film like that like would you just like film like that and there's uh five hours of like that the Empire and mass is 5 hours and

80:33like that okay what just people can see it right they can see the build Tower 7 go boom but they're going to believe the government I look I keep saying this Tower 7 Tower 7 looks to me like an implosion looks to me like a demolition but I don't know I don't know you know there's 200 there a giant fire inside that building that caused the building to fail and it collapsed like that and I'm talking all this crazy I know they blew it up I know they use bombs then I'm an idiot and so if I'm saying I know one way or the other it's kind of crazy I can't you can't really say it I don't have enough information but you gotta but you got to have based on what you see your opinion know Bas on my no one knows for sure that's not my opinion my opinion is it looks like a control demolition now like if you see a submission okay and you know it's a dog submission and the guy Taps out you

81:24go well that quit well you'll know that guy quit because you'll know that that's not a good submission cuz you're an expert in submissions when I see a building collapse like that I'll say yeah it looks like a control demolition because that's what it looks like but that doesn't mean it's a controlled demolition it could easily have been a crazy fire that caused a catastrophic failure of the structure of that building and I don't know jack about structures of buildings I can't say that nobody's saying that you do and no one is saying that you based on what you're like a juror isn't an expert at all this forensics you're going on what the experts say you're not going on juror's not going to go well I don't know if he killed him I wasn't actually there so I don't know there's all this evidence the jury has based on the evidence you have to you know it's it's

82:08okay to say based on all the gangster that's going on they don't say for seven years a detective would go okay let's get away from that here's what's interesting about that building here's one of the things that makes this this Theory more fascinating and this is a fact they had offices inside that building of the NSA I think it was the CI find out what what offices were inside Tower 7 cuz it was a crazy building it wasn't just like a regular building that building had some really nutty stored in it some crazy information in offices like it it was it wasn't like oh my God they they crushed the credential building we we lost all this insurance policy numbers and you know data nope no it wasn't that no it was way nuttier than that it was was like really intense foreign policy intense financial it was like there's some crazy offices inside there what do you got there Jamie here we go

83:04like look at look at what was in building seven this is fascinating can you imagine Salon Smith and Barney okay uh which is a financial company Internal Revenue Service Regional Council Us Secret Service American Express Bank International Standard Chartered Bank uh Provident Financial Market management um Hartford Insurance group First State Management Group Federal Loan Bank a lot of banks but here niic Securities Securities and Exchange Commission that's when it gets really crazy Security and Exchange Commission is like that's the that I mean that's that's the motherload of money right there New York City office of emergency management yeah what would a what would a decent detective think based on all this would you go no they couldn't do it you would look at that uh and you'd go wow it's convenient that that building collapsed because it seems like there's a lot of

83:58tenants in there that probably had a lot of crazy information the Secret Service the security Exchange Commission and the office of emergency management that's uh that's a lot of like and then all those Banks it's just High L gang really important High gangster who knows I thought it was a CIA I thought the CIA was in there as well uh small Office of the CIA what it was Eddie Bravo conspiracy theorist he knows I'm just a blue belt compared to Ry Dawson well there's a lot of people that have spent their whole life looking at that that's if it is what we said or what I said rather a catastrophic failure of a structure based on if it is if that is what a convenient building to collapse like it seems like those offices would have a lot of really crazy in them and if a decent detective found out that oh it looks like two over 2,000 Architects risking their license risking that CR

84:52credibility is going to go against the government right right right when you listen to For Truth is that what you're talking about they have the balls to do it everyone else is like they don't want most people don't want any trouble what I want to know is how many Architects disagree with them and who's the better architect where's the video show me but that's what I don't know they don't have the balls because it's obvious this is we're talking about obvious I know you have to stay on the fence I know I know this no dude it's not I have to I stay on the fence cuz this is how I try to think I try to I try to you got look at the evidence at it it takes them seven years to come out with a report and then they don't test for explosives I thought that when we were looking at that uh report I thought we were going to see the CIA in there it's less impressive with uh what we what we

85:38did have in there I don't know if they maybe that's not everything it might very well could be I don't know if they would rig a building like that with explosives when they were building it in the possibility that something went wrong and they had to destroy evidence no that is no but that could said that and you're you can't even bring that up cuz no one that has never been brought up but wait a minute that's what happened if the building exploded okay if you did if you do believe that the building was a controled demolition then someone rigged it so the idea is if they knew that these people were going to be in this building they knew this building was going to be a high SE high security building they could have rigged it with explosives when they were constructing it to make sure that in the event the building was taken why do you say that didn't happen because when did it get

86:22detonated when did get when did it get when did it get fitted with those explosives which Tak weeks that's what I'm saying what I'm saying is there are there's it's not my idea either there's many people that are speculating that when the building was actually constructed they constructed it with this possibility they made it why you say no no why you say no when you look at the whole story I'm only bringing up Tower 7 but there's a million pieces to the store when you put all the pieces together you're like it that's just that's just one part the building why do you why are you convinced that that's how the building up brought down what does it say the department of defense of Central Intelligence Agency okay yeah they shared the 25th Flor with the IRS okay yeah that's it Department of Defense hold on this is we're just reading this the facts so the Department

87:04of Defense and the Central Intelligence Agency were there on the 25th floor with the IRS floors 46 through 47 were mechanical floors as were the bottom floors and part of the seventh floor okay and that could all be that who knows that could just be someone just around that's Wikipedia bro that is lock where did that come from that is locked down and tight but why would you think that it's impossible for them to rig the building with explosives when destructed it's impossible because they didn't say anything for seven years after public pressure they were forced to have put a scientist out there in front of these reporters to finally give a reason and they said it was because of fires they didn't and they said and they asked why didn't you ex uh check for EXP exp this is what it was all about three times you question I get it I get but that's not that doesn't mean it's

87:59impossible I'm just looking at the evidence but that's not even the evidence it doesn't mean that it's impossible if if it was a controlled demolition let's get crazy an alien could have blew it up and that's imp that's not impossible let's say let's look at it and say it's control demolition let's say it looks like a control demolition let's assume it is how did the how did the bombs get into the building how did they put him in why is it impossible if you look if you look into if you wait are you asking me a question why is it possible that they put those bombs in it when they were building it in the case or when the Secret Service took over or when whoever was made the tenant maybe they installed the bombs to make sure in an event that something happened like in '96 I believe it was 96 the World Trade Center towers they blew them up in the basement

88:42remember they had a car bomb that went off in the basement they thought they were going to take the tower down if these people thought the that put this building in place or that took over this building the CIA the NS whoever the it was if they knew that they had some really important secure information there it's very possible they could have said okay in the event that someone does blow up the World Trade Center like in 96 because it's already happened before and a catastrophic failure we can de we can demolish this building hey if you're if you want to if you want to uh lean towards that theory that's fine too I'm not trying to change I'm not leaning towards anything but why are you saying that that's impossible anything's possible I wasn't there you weren't there we're going based on what we know jurors like like if this was a jury not like finding we're not looking for God's

89:30truth we're looking like a jury like a detective how would they handle the truth you know what I mean if everybody was legit you got to look at it like that what do you think happened if you think it was a control demolition how do you think the bombs got in the building it's so deep it's so deep and so long like I said you put all that 911 information forget about the Pentagon this 5H hour documentary has nothing to do with the Pentagon that's like so much info just like that video you showed 5 hours of that crushing evidence when you look at that as a jewer as a detective you're like of course it was an inside job he in that documentary they lay out the countries that have always done like this they've always done it they did they got busted in Iran Contra but but let's let's not get off course here I want to I still want to find out your thinking on the building seven because

90:14you're convinced that building seven was a demolition right as a juror it's a demolition based on all the testimony how do you think they set it up for demolition well uh there uh there's evidence if you're watching this documentary there's so much information but there's evidence of of them constantly doing work and fake ass workers working on the elevator shafts there's all this evidence of that they can they it's so deep I don't want to I don't remember the names of the guys think all these people that were working there they just set that building up to blow up yeah they took time and they just had fake fake uh the it's a fact that the elevator was always broken and there was always like the month before there's all these fake passes and there's a lot of evidence this 5 hours you're going to go there's reports there's all Bravo yeah yeah but you know

91:04what I'm so obsessed with those details I don't know why but I we're living in a world post 911 that's we're living in a crazy world where people are dying in the Middle East and getting blown up and getting murdered and kids and stuff like that that's going on I just can't I need to find out why they're do like what what's going on I just I'm obsessed with how is this racket how do they operate I want to know the truth and when you know the truth it's just like you just want to tell as many people as possible where're this look George Bush singer gets busted Nash on national TV uh with the Iran Contra uh uh situation he becomes president after that and then he's running all his and all his drugs in his arms through uh Arkansas with a an known governor who Bill Clinton who's letting it happen and then he becomes president after George Bush as a detective I don't know the truth I

92:03wasn't there I don't know what the relationship is like it looks like I'm like I'm like that's a that's a that's some gangster going on right there and they're just playing with the public and all the the dumb who believe that there's you know this Republican Democrat uh battle going on you know that's it's it's uh fascinating and frustrating at the same time and very scary that man we're living with people that that just follow the official story and whatever they say that's the truth and all the other that's not the official store that's crazy well there's a lot of people that do really love to buy the official store and they love to argue it they love to argue the official story about everything scary yeah the scary thing is the people when you ask anybody they'll say yeah the government's up yeah the government you can't trust the government everybody would say

92:51that everyone everyone no one's ever no one's ever said you could totally trust trust the government I trust the government no one ever says that ever they oh everyone says I the government bunch of crooks but when when they get busted and there's all this evidence and all going going down and so Crystal Clear can you imagine if those the video of not of tower 7 was not available until 10 years later no that would be the craziest a conspiracy theory that nobody would get behind nobody would waste their time that building goes down there's no video of it there's going to be people were there go dude so crazy people some Tower 7 just fell down like like like like it was control demo people go you crazy where's the video where's the video where's the video that's all they you know that's what happened with the Kennedy assassination exactly that was 10 years

93:38later so with can you imagine if that was no video the because of all the angles that came out right away right away we had all that footage it's almost like it it like that was good for the people that were behind this like it was beautiful cuzz you could see that on YouTube has millions of views but people will go well the government said it was fires so I believe it's fires H you know me you're watching it you're watching it go down bunch of different angles but I'm going to go with the government on this one government for 200 you know that's scary that kind of mentality is what I'm scared of I'm scared of conspiracy theories that's what I'm scared of enough of that like this joint back ony the is killing my brain I gotta go to Australia bro I can't handle this crazy man maybe I maybe I should just say shut the up about it and just close my eyes just look straight

94:33sometimes I think about that you know is that better I wonder how long if if there really is some crazy Global caball going on that's ripping off the world how much longer think they keep going with this in this these days of Edward Snowden you know what type information leaks when I W when I when when you find out exactly how the racket works the global racket works when you look into it with an open mind and I mean we just went right back into it I thought we were going to get out of it I don't even know what I was going to say now interruped me what were we even talking about global cabal look how it works if you look at how it works man I totally forgot I totally Global cabal let's figure this out Global cabal what else I'm GNA go with Tower 7 chemtrail black helicopter CIA George Bush I remember remember when you look at it how it all goes down

95:26and bit by bit how it all goes down it's like nuts it's nuts and I think there's no way we could ever uh regain control of the media because that's where all the power is it all comes down to the media who controls that and uh when you there's do we ever have control we got to go to Alternative media for the truth and but then no one believes that everyone believes the the that the government gives us the pr Pro propaganda machine from pentagon everyone believes that they don't believe the alternative media because oh you know what it looks like it was lowbudget because look at the kind of film and the lighting they use it doesn't I don't believe that that looks like they're in their garage I want to believe this on Fox that's how people think they might not say that but that's what's going on because that's what people believe most of people think but as the news does a

96:10shittier and shittier job of covering events in detail I think people are leaning more and more towards alternative sources it's like the guardian when they released all those Ed Snowden documents that they weren't the only ones who were offered that yeah it's just got lucky they found a guy in Glenn Greenwald that wanted to put his balls out there and do it and and then they go after whistleblowers man John John Stockwell is a former CIA agent wrote a couple books CIA to control the royalties of his books because you can't be talking about this stuff so he's not making money off the books of CIA they just took control of his John Stockwell he he was a CIA agent for 13 years most of the people in the CIA they come in to fight communism they're trying to help the world they're trying to help the United States it's the a criminal element there's a few key

96:55players the guys with all the power at the top the craziest guys at the top and a lot of guys in in the CI have no idea they don't tell everybody I think it's like what you were saying earlier that we were talking about how in the 1980s and whatever before the internet there was only a few different programs to everybody was on these channels but I think in this day and age there's so much information out there there's so much stuff to listen to and so much stuff to watch so much stuff to pay attention to it's just overwhelming that when something happens even if it's a big deal it's gone in a couple days some new coming down the pipe University of Missouri they're having a hunger strike oh that lady she pushed that kid and she called for muscle like there's a new thing every goddamn day you know a few days ago the Pentagon got busted with a a gas station that cost

97:39$43 million to build and everyone is like why is a gas station in that part of the world it's normally between $2 200 and $500,000 to build a gas station 43 million and they're like it just is it's expensive the latest word out there Donald Rumsfeld the day before 911 we have $2.3 trillion missing that's ridiculous right he just says we don't know where it's at but it's gone so they had to make a a pentagon briefing they had to they had to tell the world listen we lost 2.3 trillion September 10th yeah that was September 10th and the next day uh that office in the Pentagon that's looking into it blows up but anyways as a as a juror I'm I'm like gangsters gangster shit's going on right here dude I don't have to I'm not I'm I'm a grown ass man I know how gangsters they are I'm like that's dude you it's obvious right so but the hope you you think there's no hope

98:34because they control the media they got it but what shows me hope is what's happening with hemp and marijuana the Resurgence taking a schedule of one drug a schedule of one drug and making it legal that that several States now including Washington DC which is crazy it's more and more and more it's becoming legal so that shows that the federal government doesn't they they still schedule it one they they didn't want this but that shows that the people actually ultimately if the people all can get together they do have all the power the people do have the power because we still remember that from the Constitution that's one thing we remember we I don't remember no amendments and all that but I go I know we have the power and you guys are supposed to be working for us right now it's not like that and it's up but we know we're supposed to have the power and when we learn that and we

99:20learn how powerful we are we took a schedule one run that was demonized that was persecuted it wasn't just left by itself they went after the psyche of the Nation on globally really not just nationally that was real that's not a conspiracy theory the reer M Madness propaganda that's some evil so when people tell me oh do you know there's parts of the government that do this I don't need evidence you could tell me anything I'm like it's probably true and if it's not true who gives a anyways but I believe it you're talking about criminals is it criminal activity and it seem like oh you can make money that way whatever you're telling me I see where the money comes from if I don't see where the money comes from I go maybe it's but if you could see how they can make money I'm like they probably do it because if you just thought of it they probably thought of it too they're running

100:05everything so um but there's hope there's hope like the people do have the power some into position they're a position where they can lock people up and they can intimidate people the threat of locking people up for something as silly as marijuana I mean people will say Well that's you know it's not even an important point it's not like remember when Obama said there was uh there was some sort of a write in on the internet like what should what should they talk about and I forget what speech he was given what what uh Town Hall what was the number one question and he's like the number one question was legalization of marijuana and he was like why don't know what that says about the people that are calling in h you know he jokes around about it like it's not it's not a you know a serious topic but of course it's a serious topic because marijuana by itself whether you

100:52like pot or don't like pot it's not about that it's about freedom and it's a serious topic when you have a subject like marijuana which all these people enjoy and there's no reason why it should be illegal and yet it's still illegal that's not Freedom see if marijuana made people's brains melt and made your dick fall off and you know made people just start running out into traffic there would be a reason why someone would say hey we got to spend a lot of money to stop this because it's going to destroy our youth ruin our children and just devastate our society since that evidence doesn't exist it doesn't make any sense so if someone is still arresting people when there's no evidence that they should be that's when gets scary that's scary that's a freedom issue because they're letting you know they could just lock you in a cage we have a difference of opinion I'm

101:38not even willing to look at scientific evidence I don't care about scientific evidence I care about what's written on this piece of paper and this piece of paper says if you're stu if you have a certain amount of these plants I can put you in a cage and I can make money off of you being in that cage that is a freedom issue it has nothing to do with marijuana itself now you and I are obviously marijuana Advocates and we're marijuana enthusiasts we're known for having beliefs that marijuana is not just a it's not just a fun thing but it's a a very important thing for creativity it's like a turbocharger for creativity absolutely and it doesn't get recognized for what it is because it's been demonized so it's not about whether or not you should start doing it or other people should start having our our opinions and and changing your mind on it it's about recognizing why we have

102:24these opinions in the first place cuz they're not based on fact at all these are 1930s propaganda ideas that were at the time tsunamis right tsunamis of information back when there was so few portals they put a movie like Reefer Madness out Randolph Hurst is the guy running the newspapers he's got all these stories he's printing about Mexicans and black people raping white people when those were the only voices on the horizon people freaked out about any kind of information like that that was all that was available it wasn't like that and then you go online and Mike Tyson a tiger what you know or you know Dan why do you1 million playing poker you know why were they why do you suppose they went after marijuana in a just a demonic way well I think it it was gone after in a very calculated Way by a guy who went after a lot of things like that William Randol H

103:15standup profit from marijuana being illegal remaining illegal he in fact they named it marijuana for people don't even know the name marijuana referred to a wild Mexican tobacco and it had nothing to do with cannabis cannabis was hemp and everybody knew that and they knew that as a textile and as a commodity it was extremely valuable for the American people for people don't know there was actually a documentary that Jack Hara found and it was a big deal that he found it because he had known about this and people denied its existence and then he found this documentary hemp for victory and it was made during World War II after hemp was essentially made illegal but they wanted hemp to used for sales they used for canvas was all made with hemp all the the great paintings like the Mona Lisa that is painted on canvis which comes from Cannabis I mean is it is a a

104:04commonly used plant throughout human history thousands of years of use all like intercepted by a propaganda campaign this propaganda campaign by one guy and a bunch of other people that conspired with as well where there was two factions of it one guy wanted what did he do put movies like he paid for that but he also owned Hearst Publications he he owned the newspapers so he printed these wild stories of white women getting raped by people smoking marijuana well he owned hundreds of like he owned not just newspaper but he owned hundreds of thousands of Acres of trees and he used those trees and made paper out of them he owned paper mills if hemp became the new billion doll crop as it was predicted on the cover of Popular Science magazine if that happen happen William Randolph hurse would I mean he would have been he would had to spend millions of dollars converting his

104:59newspapers to hemp paper so he was like it I'll just write evil about marijuana I'll just call it marijuana so it wasn't even about going after the drug it was about going after the what the fibers of the plant do that's a conspiracy theory right there it is and can you imagine that was all during the 30s and 40s can you imagine that there had to be some people that were thought of as some tin Loy hat wearing conspiracy theorists that are saying that weed is actually not doesn't make you do all these crazy things that they're putting in the movies and with all this reer maned propaganda there's people those people must have been uh they looked so goddamn crazy back even today people try to debunk this people have said that to me and they sent me to a website dude that's been debunked sorry what was debunked that that William Randolph Hurst uh had set up

105:47marijuana for and worked with um what was the guy's name harlinger Har anslinger but that hasn't been debunked not only has it not been debunked William rof Hurst was a notable like everybody knew he was a Orson Wells made a movie about what a he was who's protecting William Randolph HZ it's the same mentality it's the same mentality we were talking about same people they don't they believe 100% of the official stor it's people 100% 100% 100% I'm 100% for 100% the Lee Harvey osw on whatever they say I'm going with it they would never lie well people you know it's it's hard because some people automatically gravitate towards conspiracies some people automatically gravitate towards well when they're criminals towards the official story but I think a lot of times the story some the reality is somewhere in the middle and it's it's hard to find the reality depending on

106:39the conspiracy theory you can't just say that about it 911 there's so there's so much and all like I said people think however crazy they think it is Iran Contra was just as crazy everyone thought they were crazy and they got bust they got the William ran out first thing here's why it really can't be totally debunked first of all we don't really know we weren't there so it's it's it's very difficult to prove and it's very difficult to disprove but one thing we do know he definitely did print stories about this drug that everyone was terrified of he definitely did contribute to the the making of ree for madness I'm almost positive of that Pro okay that you find out William rol first had anything to do with the funding of the movie re for madness we need a memo where he okays that story you know what I mean where he signed off on it but here's the other the other aspect of it

107:23that we didn't talk about this the timing of this is right after prohibition ended so prohibition was a boom to law enforcement they were constantly working they were arresting people locking people up and then on top of that organized crime emerges in a huge way I mean that's where Al Capone got all his money that's where the kennedies got their money Al it's all from running booze man so there's all these people that are illegally running booze and they're making crazy money and they wind up in positions of power and even wind up having their children become president that's the real story of the United States is that Kennedy's parents were drug Runners their drug was just a liquid drug it's just as just the same as running Coke just the same as as as growing weed right now today they're all criminals and JFK and his brother Robert they something turned them and

108:11they decided they're going to try to save the world maybe that's something turned them they thought they could trust him because one thing's for sure he was an extreme he was like Bill Clinton when it came to girls yeah they thought they had him in the bag they thought he wouldn't he'd totally just stay in line and uh they had to get rid of him everybody so they that's interesting so they probably like have a guy like that to get him in the office and go listen dude we know you're a freak just shut the up as many as you want yeah we keep we'll keep you protected or you know shit's going to get ugly sign a couple bills you know what I mean sign a little Trade Agreement whatever deal don't mess with this side just you could do a little trade agreement with Mexico and all that but it's very who knows it's it's very intriguing when you start looking at possibilities like that comes from a

108:53criminal family so you know it's very obvious they're all gangsters they they turn they try to change the world and then they had to get rid of them it's just like it's like you know gangster 101 yeah so you and then you got the gangsters who the police officers who are arresting people for Booze okay cuz let's be honest it's not the cops that are the gangsters but the people that are telling the cops where to go for sure are gangsters why are they tell why is it out in the first place like who the who says you can't have whiskey what what kind of are we we're supposed to be America someone's going to come along say you can't have a drink how about you that doesn't make any sense you can't drink so I'm supposed to just live my life by your wacky rules I like drinking Al drinking is fun it's so much fun I it should be illegal it should be I'd be all for making it

109:37illegal it'd be cool to drink it like uh uh back in the 20s or 30s whenever that was no we organized crime would be even bigger man that becomes dangerous look I mean Jack Danel on the corner here here's a perfect example Jack Daniels has been around forever right they sell whiskey super popular everywhere I I drink Jack Daniels on a regular basis right that company's not evil they're not killing anybody Jack Daniels isn't gunning people down the street Jack Daniels isn't taking over new territories Jack Daniels isn't burrowing holes underneath prisons and digging people out the corporation that owns yeah but the corporation that owns Jack dangels probably is I don't know if the corporation is even Jack Daniels itself it might just be Jack Daniels distillery I don't know I think someone took that over come on who cares who cares my point is that Jack Daniels isn't an evil

110:27company they can make money but if you can make money doing like that then there's less of a a criminal element to it it's a Safe Company like all there's a lot of bad that gets done by people who are drunk on Jack Daniels for sure but Jack Daniels the company is not like Al Capone that's my point it's like when you let let companies sell things legally you get the tax benefit from it and the companies aren't filled with criminals cuz the only people that are willing to run heroin are going to be crazy like that guy from Breaking Bad that's going to be the people that going to be running heroin they're going to be out of their mind those are the people that you're going to get but if it was legal you're going to get Bill Gates you know I mean if it's legal how many rock stars have their own whiskey or tequila or some like that there's a bunch of those guys so rappers they always

111:13have their own tequila or something like everybody's got their own like it's okay they're legal drug dealers but as long as you're making money legally paying taxes the whole it's cross it's above board no one cares it's like it's proof positive that drugs should be legal cuz alcohol is one of the worst one of the worst free body worse than cocaine most likely wor the traffic the traffic accidents are there cars are there cars out there that won't turn on if the driver's drunk my friend had one wow my friend in Colorado had one he uh he got a he's a buddy of mine from New York moved to Colorado kind of car is that well he had it use it for work he got a DOI it's not the car is not unique it's a setup on the ignition they have a thing built into the ignition the ignition will will not start unless he blows uh he has to blow a blood alcohol content then he has to wait a few

112:00minutes and it won't it won't fire up for him if he's drunk that's brilliant yeah that should be mandatory it's a good idea but it's not it's not convenient at least his wasn't his says it takes a few minutes and I'm like dude that's got to suck in the snow because it's Colorado I mean he lives in Denver those drunk driving schools they they don't want that to pass they're trying to stop they're lobbying against it they're holding it back they probably would have had them a long time ago but the drunk driving topless schools they all got together well what's going to save that is these Google cars these uh like the Tesla that can drive itself that's going to save all that how does that work they work on sensors they already work on sensors like it's it's fairly common now that a your car will know when you're going across lines now have you ever noticed

112:44that like there's a lot of cars like um I had an Infinity it did it was they sort of drive themselves no but it lets you know if you're crossing a line it givs you like Cadillac has one it's weird man they have you seen those new Cadillac Escalades uhuh dude those things are dope I rent one of those everywhere I go I love those things I love first of all I love them because I'm an old Italian man how it's a Cadillac I got uh they're probably they're probably in the high 60s maybe in the 70s $1,000 they're not cheap but they're not cheaply made either they're badass I rent them all the time I love them they're so smooth too dude they have this like Magnetic Ride Control suspension so like just floats over everything you get this great view of everything every time I every time I'm in one I'm like why don't I drive one of these every day but they have this thing in the seat where if you

113:36get close to the edge it vibrates on your thigh on your left thigh so like if you're getting close to the edge of the lines like where the lines are it lets you know hey hey hey get over here it's really weird it's real weird if you're backing up like you you give you like a little vibrate if you get too close to things so it's not just looking you're not just seeing it in a camera or hearing it and beeps that like get you know how they have those and some BMWs they have that beep like closer you get to the thing it let you hey you're gonna hit this thing yeah um not only does the Cadillac do that but it vibrates your seat it lets you know like where it is like if you're about to hit something on the right hand side your right thigh will start vibrating it's really weird it's trippy I don't remember what my point was we're talking about cars oh so that's how they they use some

114:25sort of cameras to see those Lanes so they know when you're out of lanes they because even if the road curves they know they know if you keep going straight in the road curves what the you doing and they also have this thing called um it's a it's you know how you have cruise control like regular cruise control this is a lasar a laser distance detecting cruise control so like say if your car this pretty common now too if your car is ahead of mine and I set my cruise control for 65 mph if you slow down my car slows down too if you speed up my car speeds up I don't have to touch you just put your hands on the steering wheel it slows down for you it speeds up for you you know anybody who buys a car like that is going to sign a stack of waivers like a notebook you know what I mean right come on can you imagine the accidents holy this is what they're saying they're saying the Google

115:17cars have only had a couple accidents and they've been running them through San Francisco for a while damn but people I wonder how much the Google car accidents have been Google's fault it's so hard to drive Jesus Christ so hard man I want my arms down you still got to sit down it's so comfortable but do you do you really not like driving I would rather have a driver but I don't want I don't trust a car it's too unpredictable you got to make some razor sharp decisions on the on the highway there's a lot of it's not it doesn't have every situation programmed in the car there's all these weird awkward situations where you're just driving you could have avoided it if you would have had control but are those weird awkward situations occurring because people are like if everybody had a driver car a a car that drove itself maybe those would just vanish and maybe you would get like a a

116:06green light when you get on the road how much you smoke man a lot but maybe think about it because like when you when you watch like I I watched this girl texting the other day on her phone it was so frustrating cuz we were on the highway we're going like 65 mph and a couple of times she came close to my lane and whenever someone does I go oh I guarantee you they're with their phone and I look over and this girl's doing this everybody does that man scary I don't do that I don't do that I don't do that I leave my phone on on the passenger seat I take it I put it over there I'm not with that thing but you'll talk and drive though I'll talk and drive on my phone on my I press a button on the steering wheel yeah that's not bad like cuz it's going through the Bluetooth you have a little conversation it's like you you can see everything it's like having a conversation with a dude who's sitting

116:48next to you it's totally normal is it legal to cuz it's illegal to text or to do anything on your phone that's illegal right yes is it illegal to uh go through your CDs or go through your uh your uh stations on your sat on your satellite you can't do this but you can do this you can press the the the thing on your your car that's stationary it's like locked in but if you have something in your hand you start pressing that to make your music come on which all my music is on my iPhone my I carry everything on my iPhone I carry all my music I never have an I used to have an iPod connector in my car does and those are I I still have it in my uh my BMW still has a little iPod connector I still have iPods why though my phone is aund and something gigs like there's no way I need all that yeah like you'd have to have every how could you listen to all that you greedy just

117:37you have to be a crazy person yeah I think people are now since we went to we're like it seems like we're uh more and more just using our laptops less and our phones way more right seems like that right so I think that's great for music listening to music on your computer is not as cool as being out and about on your phone you know with headsets and you could be draw you know you could go in on the airport music well no that you can send me you've sent me songs and I listen to them right when you sent me them like literally there's no delay at all like sent me some of your and I press play and I'm listening to it in my car seconds no I was good dude but in seconds in seconds like l i mean you could you could ask Siri now you I I'm going to stop this because people are getting mad at me for saying this because it makes your phone go off all right if you say

118:30Hy s i r i and you say those things together it'll you can ask it things like it'll transcribe things for you it transcribes for me accidentally just I I look down the phone is like taking every word that I said accidentally because I said those words during a podcast or something that sounded enough like it but when you have that when you when you do something like that you can tell it hey download me smoke serpent uh hey uh go to Eddie Bravo radio number three and it'll find it on the internet and play it for you dude it's crazy yeah that's what we were talking about before before we started the podcast was my music conspiracy the oh yeah okay what's your music experience involve Don this is just this is just me uh smoking a lot of weed and saying stupid but it seems that the record companies in the record business have always always ripped off the artist the artists never

119:25make that all of them when you look at documentaries every band the same thing they getting ripped off if you watch that Eagles documentary it's amazing I'm not an Eagles fan I'll never buy an eagles CD but I respect the out of them dare I respect the out of them on the ceiling I I respect the out of them and they do got some good stuff but I'm just not that that that kind of southern rock thing we're all just prisoners here device love yeah I love uh the story the documentary the story of how they got together and and their Dynamics and when they broke up and got back together and dude the eagle story is amazing you like Hotel California it's all right God too many strippers dance to it but the story and then you watch a like 30 Seconds to Mars documentary and like uh the record company is suing him for like 30 million yeah explain that because that that's Jared Leto right

120:15that's the actor he also has a band and his band had a deal with a record company and it all went they didn't get paid basically it just they just never got paid they were huge uh they got a couple really good songs uh Echelon is one of my all-time favorite songs but anyways uh you watch that documentary and it's always the same thing the record company doesn't have the money they're not going to pay we had to pay all this for you we bought your video we paid for your goddamn producer you got to pay that back and you better get on the road you owe you owe us money you owe us money this the movie artifact artifacts sometimes we must fight in order to be free okay I got something to watch on the plan is that 30 minutes seconds of Mars yeah that's the one it's really on iTunes yeah what I definitely was on iTunes and everything to buy for about a year but you got to give it up to Jared let

121:03because he's the only guy on the planet that's a legitimate musician rock star legitimate where he has millions of fans they sold millions of records and he's a very successful actor too you could almost say maybe he's reaching that a list Jared Leto is a famous dude nobody else has done that music and acting that huge you got to give it up and they got a couple really good songs I'm not a gigantic 30 seconds of Mars fan but Echelon and the mission absolutely fantastic songs so they uh they got a record deal and just were not getting any money yeah you know I forget the details but so then they went to court over it so they weren't getting any no what happened is they weren't getting any money and Jared Lo said I'm out this you guys are you guys owe so much he wasn't going to say so he just said I'm going to make an album some on my own this right we're selling millions of Records

121:51we don't have any right they're not giving us they're not paying us so the record company goes oh you think you could just do that like the record the contract was over like in six months really they could have just waited it out but he just started working on a new album said that record company goes oh you're working on an album that's our album you know what I mean something like that something like that where they ended up suing them you think you could just walk away from us how about we're going to come after you and for 30 million dude I have a friend who works she's a receptionist she was a receptionist she got fired she's working for some company that makes TV shows or some and they knew that she was a comedian you know she's an amateur comedian and so while she was working with them she developed this idea for some pilot with her and her friend who was also a

122:34comedian so then all of a sudden the company she's working for wanted her to signed some intellectual property agreement that anything she came up with when she was working there would be theirs yeah and they literally said to her while you work here we own your brain yeah you just imagine how crazy that is like she's she's a receptionist comedian funny comedian too and she's trying to make it you know she's out there hustling and the company that she works for that doesn't they they make TV shows you know they they're not using her in that regard they're using her as a receptionist they just decide that somehow or another they're going to figure out a way to steal from her they're going to tap into her creativity and make ideas but imagine that you're paying someone like dog money you're paying someone like receptionist pay and you want to own their dream their dream of a show that's

123:21dirty every band goes through the same it's it's like the record company is owned by gangsters themselves and they're go They're Gonna and when you sign a contract you don't give a you're just this kid from the small town your band got big you got you're in Hollywood now you're going to sign the goddamn deal you don't even care you know you're getting ripped off it's so w it's so known that like everybody knows in the music business you don't make any money on your first album or two they'll make it so that you'll start making money on your third or four Al album uh that's where you're going to get a bigger cut but that F first album or two you ain't going to make and you know what it's better it's good business to just when it's time for you to make the good money no we're just going to leave you on your own and find a new artist we always need to keep bring in

124:04the new ones there's always new R&B artists there's always new rappers there's always new ones there's new ones coming in new rock bands they're always coming in 95% of them are going to fail and they won't never make it to their third album but they got them coming in that's conspiracy right because they all make the money in their second and third albums and the first Al and the record company just leaves them get unless it's like an anomaly where you have a depes motor you two where they get massive and they could just sustain a career in 20 years into their career they write beautiful day and that's like a Smash Hit you know once you're like that then at at the after like 105 years you you you own your own and you realize okay I'm going to do my own here but then get the majors to distribute it I'll use their distribution like what Dr Dre did you

124:48know how about what Prince did he had to use a fake name he couldn't even use that's now looking back everyone thought Prince was crazy Prince is a genius he came up artist forly known as Prince he's not Prince anymore nobody could say a he loved it nobody could say the band yeah they KN say it he proved a point too you're coming to see me they're coming to see me they're not they don't give a if I'm with Warner Brothers or A&M or you know that's all nonsense they just stole they were stealing yeah you know they're trying to do that in the world of podcasting there's a there's a lot of that going on in the world of podcasting where companies are coming in they're trying to own half of podcasts and put you on a network it's like really common it's been a lot of a lot of that been going on where they're trying to scoop up Podcast because podcast is such a

125:31simple model and you have one you know how it is you take it you record it you upload it on on I uh iTunes with some sort of a a server easy it's not not difficult like you know use someone like a service like libson is what we use that they they're actually in the podcast distribution business and once you do that I mean that's basic basically it that's all you have to do that's not a lot if someone like Radio Lab or like hardcore history is a perfect example he's almost always like in the top three or four whenever he releases something new maybe sometimes often one number one I've seen him one a couple times it's just a dude and a producer putting together a History Podcast that's it and look at your podcast you had a direct impact on what's going on with marijuana today to 10 years ago before this podcast it's like it's I think you are the biggest spokes model or not spokes model

126:22spokesperson spokesperson for for uh for getting people to open their eyes you know I don't know about all that but I think the internet is and I think I'm on the internet that's what I think it is because I'm these aren't all my ideas these are ideas that I've gotten from reading all sorts of crazy that gets sent me all the time reading different yeah talk about we all we're all like conduits we're all like Rivers you know like some some some of us we tap into like a big ocean of information and we could shuttle that Downstream that's really what it is what what when you get a podcast or if you know like someone sends me interesting on Twitter I I retweet things all day long all day long I always look at something I'll read it for a few minutes it seems interesting I retweet it and that's why people say like are you endorsing things when you retweet I'm

127:08just I found it interesting make your own goddamn conclusions if I've right if I if something is totally ridiculous like some Christian guy thinks that uh gays are responsible for the drought I will retweet that doesn't mean I believe that all right I just think like look at this guy I don't have time to like go through all the information with people but i' like the fact that I'm this sort of portal so because of that I I feel like um you know I I get privy to or I get access to a lot of information that I might not have ever sought out myself it gets sent to me it's really cool and then I do the same thing you know I talk about it on here and then we we'll sit around we'll try to think about it we'll try to break it down or figure out what's that's it's just another Another River of the internet that's what it is this is all some new thing that's happening to the human race

128:00the human race gets to discuss things and the uh once the internet blew up that's when the music business supposedly went down and maybe it did go down because record sales definitely went down they disappeared right pretty much we all Tower Records closed down Virgin Records closed down crazy but it's the same owners of these record companies they always told the artists they weren't making money now this is my conspiracy theory now I think that music business is bigger than ever with the internet they're not selling CDs they're not selling solid product but I think they're making so much more Goddamn money than ever before and why should they tell anybody oh no you know what the record business sucks so now now you just want to get a where are they making the money from online people but most of the stuff is being sold through what I Tunes is that the number one the the thing is yes

128:54people do steal music wait a minute what are you saying no no I'm talking about I'm giving the whole overall scope is that people do steal music I know that but I think when you go the old way where you're the only way you're going to get a CD is through the actual distribution you can't reach but a fraction of the world unless you're gigantic and you Google unless you're one of the big bands very hard you got to have a physical copy but yes we're not selling CDs anymore but now we have the whole the whole world and they could buy it instantly I mean I can easily I'm okay with computers I'm like a Blue Bell computers I'm sure I could find a place where I can get free stuff but iTunes is so convenient and I got an iPhone I'm buying all my old vinyl stuff and and it's in my phone I think more than ever now now that we're a phone culture I think music is bigger than ever now I

129:44love music I'm so passionate about music I'm always hunting it's easier to find stuff satellite radio which am Shazam is huge anytime that I think now more than ever I think I think music is getting really good there's a lot of good artists out there and I think I don't know it sucked for a while but I think there's G there's a g to be a new explosion of how we get and we get our music the record business aren't important anymore what's important is music what's important is music producers and and artists and everyone's producing their own stuff and you can distribute stuff in their unique it's a totally different animal now I just I make a music I make a song I'm I I like if a a independent label wanted to sign me as a producer or whatever I would never take like an independent label I would take some deal that was a huge deal that was life-changing but for me

130:35to it's just way easier just to do whatever I want to do not have to worry about anybody and just put whatever I want whenever I want I don't have any deadline soon as you start getting deadlines and someone owns a piece of my music I don't know about that not just a PE but independent label no one's heard of it's got to be a huge label for me to honey honey had a problem with one of their last uh s they had his last album there's this one song that I loved and I'm like why isn't that song on your album And even though they wrote that song they produced it was all theirs the record company wanted to own it so it's like oh Jesus so they just decided to not put it on there I'm like that is crazy that is crazy they just want to own it someone else owns how crazy is that though you write it you sing it you write it you sing it you you experiment with it you change it you and some dudes

131:25you don't know own it all they own it yeah it's they want it they didn't even pay anything for it they don't want to pay you for it they just want it it's part of the deal give me so it's like what what what exactly are the record companies needed for what are they needed for but you know what's going on is is the music video MTV no longer exists as a music video TV station what are they now they just do like a regular channel now that's so weird but um they might show video videos a little bit here and there I don't even pay attention no more but but uh why are uh record labels still making these huge big budget music videos because now everyone they do they go to Vivo or YouTube people love watching m music videos now it's easier you can watch a music video now on your phone before you had to watch it on MTV how you going to get MTV on your phone now so there's

132:13like a Resurgence of music videos they huge and and music is so easy to listen to and share and buy and Shazam and spread amongst what the music uh industry thrives on niches and you know metal people and R&B people R&B people aren't trying to sell music to these white kids that are in the Insane Clown posy you know what I mean it the music music industry is all about do you know your Niche and and are you selling to the right market and that's what the internet has become so for music I think I don't think the internet killed music I think it's going to it's going to I think it's exploding it only killed these parasitic music companies that's what it killed yeah exactly exactly people ripping it off most people are buying their sh well they were they were the they were Distributors that's all they were they were Distributors and publicists now the publicism or the

133:05publicist the best version of it is social media the best version of it is having a good connection with the fans on social media and people finding out about your and they spread it virally that's that's the best way to do it yeah that's and without I mean then then the what happens is these companies like these big record companies they essentially become publicists we own your Twitter yeah they do thatter I told you what happened with Hall well they tried to do that with me man they tried to own your Twitter they tried to they tried to post on it one of the TV shows I was doing it was one of the uh they wanted to uh have access to my social media they wanted to use my Twitter and my Facebook oh and I I was ready I was like you there's no way yeah you could do that to like a fan page type deal you know what I mean like some like an extra one that I'm not really

133:50paying I'm not paying any attention you create your own one you could do that but if you sign off on that it's still no good like yeah yeah yeah because you don't you don't know what the they're push they're putting up there unless you approve each and every message you know the best way to do it would be you tell me what you want me to say what are you trying to get me to say and I'll tell you whether or not that's ever going to happen and if you if you want to say something in my voice like it's what they're trying to do I'm like you're crazy you're crazy cuz I'm I'm not going to agree hey you guys should tune in to blah blah blah on prime time at 8 amazing like it'd be cool if you guys tweeted this like what are you out of your mind you think I'm going to Tweet promotions for other shows or live tweet things that you've got going on or get involved with your shark week or whatever the

134:34it is like that kind of crazy talk like that's what happens when you become a part of a network you you also become like involved in promos and they want to like they owned Areno Hall's Facebook he couldn't couldn't get his Facebook back when he did that Areno the Resurgence of the Areno Hall Show he own it before on his own it was his it was his it was his but to do the new show that was part of the deal they wanted to take over his Facebook that's crazy that's what they do that's what they do because that's all the power you blow up some artist like Rihanna's Twitter she can just based on her Twitter she can make or break bands or not really break them she can make them you know she can do incredible stuff by herself she has all the power so she loses the label just with that Twitter oh yeah she owns her own oh and Instagram and all those things that's all you need to do I bet I

135:19bet uh uh a lot of the deals now are I think the power is going back to the people there everything's being set up and record labels are probably fumbling but they're still trying to Jack Young Artists they're still trying to do like and they're making all that online money yeah I don't I don't know how much money that is I would jie what is the everything online is a lot I know but I mean I want to know like if if there's ever been a study on what percentage of Music gets purchased online and how much of it just gets downloaded illegally like what do you think the the ratio is think most people well Spotify coming in now people paying for that they can track that people pay and it's high and that's that's problematic that's in a lot of ways a lot like a record company because that's one of the big complaints that artists have had about Spotify is that they don't get paid enough money

136:05from it that's like Taylor Swifts complain about it oh really they're complaining yeah yeah they well they're you know I think they're trying to get into the podcast world too but the the point is like all they're they're like they're an aggregator right they're a portal for something like how much money should a portal make I mean what percentage should a portal make and what percentage should Taylor Swift make Taylor Swift should make almost everything yeah slowly look at this frel made only $2,700 in songwriter royalties from 43 million plays of Happy on Pandora what the what the man holy that's like an onion sketch you know I mean that's like something the onion would write for an AR you know how big you have to be to make any kind of money 20 $2,700 $2,700 for 43 million plays you know what someone's going to start someone's got to start like a Pandora

137:01that's actually a musician like an open source yeah and say listen we're going to do this it it's called title Jay-Z and a bunch of other I don't want to say all hip-hop artists started it but they started something very similar higher quality downloads it's you can pay $10 a month or $20 a month uh that's where that one Beyonce concert was for in Central Park it was a special title concert that's where you so the artists make more supposedly they make more money but there was some backlash when that came out that there people or fans were saying like why do you need more money you already have money let's let uh like independent artist get a chance to make some money it's really what is he getting all the money from it or but little by little you see see what appears to be happening is little by little the artist is now because of the internet is slowly the

137:45shift the power is going back to them yes yeah cuz once an hour once you have followers and you can you can contact your fans you needed the record company to contact your fans how else are you going to contact your fans we don't even have cell phones back then exactly you need us to put you on the radio and the radio had like really strict rules like they had really strict relationships radio's lost all their power too man they're they're cutting budgets left and right firing people you know Kevin and Bean are good friends of mine I do their show that's like the only the last terrestrial radio show I do they're really nice guys and I do their show and last time I was there Bean was there he telling me like they meet with like the upper management but they're all everyone's negative it's all down it's all Downer no one's like you guys are doing great it's such a an enjoyable

138:28show really appreciate that we're all working together everyone's just like we got to fire people we got to cut to it's like that business is a it's a it's a kind of a Dying business it's like Morris code because now that you have your music on your phone instead I remember seems like just yesterday where I'm driving around I always had 55 CDs in the back of my car people stepping on them there's always CDs and once every couple weeks I got to organize my there's just CDs everywhere in my it's just your phone it's so much easier demand instantaneously anything you want you could always if you don't have something on iTunes or whatever you could always go to YouTube and listen to it on YouTube no it's incredible it's an amazing time for that and and these guys that were like radio DJs essentially what made them cool was their personalities but when you get trapped

139:16in a DJ Gig like that you know people get little Snippets of your personal it and your thought process on things and then you play another song and like I think for those guys it's it's like they would be way better served without a radio show they'd be way better served just talking about because that's what people enjoy about them anybody could play those same records you got to have a robot voice that plays the same record so the people that are tuning in just for the music go ahead do it brother the people that are tuning in just for the music those people are going to tune in no matter what that's what they want to hear they don't care about the personalities but the personalities like guys like Kevin and Bean they're fun dudes they're interesting guys and that's what is interesting about that show like they would almost be better served if the

139:58radio station fired them and they had to go and do an internet show because if they did an internet show it would just be them talking about stuff and it would be great I mean it would just be a podcast this I think for the longest time it was really hard to get the internet on your phone you know you had to download it was and then 3G came around got a little bit better but then 4G LTE came around it's like that is fast as instantaneous streaming like if you want to listen to a song there's almost never a hiccup it's really easy and really quick to do that's a that's such a game Cher man that's so if those if those DJs are like a curator though where is it where's the where do you find your new music these days like uh that's good point that because that's kind of like if you're if you're considered yourself I guess like the Twitter curator for sort of that

140:47kind of content and I yeah that's a really really good point mus that's a really good point that's why I'm so out of the loop I don't know anything people tell me about some guy like you know Eddie was talking about that king daddy guy never heard of him until he talked about it's Daddy Yankee and it's just a Daddy Yankee okay well whatever I never heard of that either but think about that you know Eddie found out he's like I can't believe this guy's huge I just found out from him in real time on the show like there's so many people that no one has ever heard of that are gigantic music yeah yeah we're talking about that king daddy guy like I didn't find out about it until you just said yeah he's huge he's massive he's playing the Staple Center it looked like a movie Staple Center King Daddy yeah come on that sounds like a Chris Rock movie well it's a it's just

141:31an amazing time it's an amazing time it's amazing time for promotion it's amazing time for you know it's amazing time to do podcasts I mean podcast this is the craziest time ever for podcasts it's this new thing I mean we've been we've been doing it for six years next month it'll be December like December 30th or something like that six years in that time podcasts have gone from being some that people did for a goof to one of the ways one of the few ways that I get entertainment it's like one of the major ways my major ways are like walking dead like shows like that that I'll watch at home hunting shows MMA fights and podcasts those it's a major part of like what I listen to not my own but like uh Radio Lab the tech TED Radio the Ted podcast hour uh Hardcore History Ari show Joey show there's all these podcasts to listen to there always entertainment always

142:29constantly it's constant entertainment and I can't tell you how many people I've talked to that say hey man listen to your show because your show we start our own podcast like anybody could do it why not why not if it's good if you have one person take a chance on your podcast one person and they go that's pretty good and they send it to their friend dudeist listen to these guys shoot the about like we saw it the other day when we were talking about um Josh Olan who uh we had it on the podcast we both watched a podcast that had like 2,000 downloads on YouTube maybe but and it was over a year ago and Jamie and I both watched it we both watched it because we wanted to see these guys take on it so these guys take on it which was intelligent they're funny guys they were they they had good points they they gave us like an insight into it through now because of that I'll see that podcast

143:23and I'll go oh these guys I remember these guys and that's what people do and then next thing you know you got 100,000 downloads a month I mean that's that's not unusual that's like that's super possible and plausible now all you have to do is focus on something and put together something that's really good and unusual and we all have friends like my friend Dave Dolan who just died let me tell you something if that was alive if he lived in La I'd have him on the podcast every week I'm kicking myself that I never had him on while he was alive but he never comes to La that guy would be hilarious on a podcast if someone gave him a podcast like the investigator Chronicles the private investigator Chronicles and you just let him be himself and can figure out how to be himself God it would be hilarious what if you could do standup like in your podcast where

144:09you're talking you're telling jokes and everyone's connected to your your headset so you could hear people laugh oh they would also start yelling out and then you you shut down as soon as they yell you you you have a Heckle button boom they're gone yeah but you would have to find them like how would you find them pick them out I mean how many people are on the line at the same time you know if you don't have a show like a they have like a voice recognizer yeah if you do a show in a theater with a thousand people it can actually be kind of intimate if you say anything other than laughing you got to record all your laughs and only those sounds could come out any other sounds you get cut off you're like you go yeah you got to do as many cuz then you get cut off and you find out why you got cut off and then you get that laugh in there you go I need that people to be able to express

144:52themselves you want people to be able to expr there wasn't a if there wasn't hecklers if people respected you how cool would that be you could hear it might be like three or four people listening to you podast possible it's totally possible like a conference call really exactly like a giant conference call but the problem would be like what I was saying like you can have a show with a thousand people in the audience and it's kind of intimate it is kind of intimate you can make it intimate yeah but you're all looking at each other and that's what people that's the way people are supposed to talk I think I'm describing a webcam show they already got that I'm an idiot do webcam you could do webcam texting those guys don't get to talk there's no sound that's different I made that up imagine if the girl was like listening to all those guys jerking off simultaneously she's got 2700 guys and

145:37you just hear instead of like an audience of cheering and laughing you just hear 2700 groans you oh yeah FY just 20 00 dudes all you could hear is them jacking off simultaneously I'm going to have to turn you down a little too while that would be so ridiculous that's coming though that's coming watch We're supposed to from your house from your living room Joey could just sit there and smoke he's kind of doing that on Periscope without the sound without the sound he gets those little hearts though did you watch uh the acid podcast no I heard it was ridiculous they wanted me to do acid I wouldn't do it you do it I didn't want to do it man I'm not uh I'm not like attracted to that kind of um experience acid nah that doesn't sound good to me what does it sound like to you sounds like a horrible time no I've heard it's great like Duncan swears by it maybe you

146:35should talk to Duncan about it I don't think I'm programmed for it I don't I don't you tried it uh when I was a kid and it was like a synthetic mushroom feel I'd rather have the real mushrooms I'm down with mushrooms but not a synthetic form of what's in mushroom that's that's what I think it is I think LSD and acid is a a synthetic form of mushrooms right am I guessing they're all similar they're similar like a lot of the tryptamines they they share like a like like psilocybin is really close to DMT the way it synthesizes in the body it's like super close like I'm going to butcher this but it's like NN uh dimethyl tryptamine and uh I think what is the psilocybin version of it for Fox V aloy and and dimethyl tryptamine something like that like it's real close it's like they're they're kissing cousins they're all those the really powerful tryptamines they're all like

147:31neighbors of each other it's very strange and they're all the closest to human neurochemistry one of the most up things about the really powerful psychedelic drugs is the strongest ones like mushrooms and like uh DMT the DMT is the strongest it it's like an actual human neurotransmitter I mean it's not even it's not even like an addition like not even an addition to it actually produced in your own body that's the weirdest thing ever about drugs that the strongest one we know of your your own body makes like the fact that that's un that most people don't know that the fact that most people know that Kanye West is married to Kim Kardashian most people don't know that your brain produces the most powerful psychedelic drug that science has ever observed that's a Nutty thing man what that is a weird weird aspect of who we are as as human being what kind of a

148:19strange waking up infantile civilization we are in the middle of like the greatest era of technological innovation ever WiFi the ability to download songs instantly on phones like we were talking about the periscoping and just in insane ability to connect with each other at this day and age we still have illegal marijuana illegal psychedelic drugs illegal the drugs like Bill Gates or um Steve Jobs said that LSD was what led him to create Apple he said it was like one of the most important moments of his life was having an LSD trip there's so many problems in the in this world so many different levels coming from all different angles from all different forms of life there's so much everyone's trying to fight this they're trying to fight that they're into this they're into that everyone's got their own cause but if we all got together and do what we did with weed

149:14and and and the legislation and all that stuff we did that with just one thing one thing we just f all our power it would fix everything if we made it a law that every politician has to do iasa if we did that that'll fix all the problems it would fix a lot would and even if that's too much work even that's too much work have them have one DMT trip a month while they're in office yeah just to keep everybody has to have a a ceremony you get together and you meet with the elves and they tell you whether or not you're up one law that's all forget about all this other and we're scattering just one thing make them do mushrooms or DMT that's part of being a politician just to make sure that the the odds are that you'll have compassion for the people and not uh let your greed take over and be interviewed while you're under too yeah you have to have proof you have to have a witness

150:05and that's videotaped put them under then talk to them about life yeah have a shaman bring flying all these guys from Peru you know what I me could you imagine he did that to dick like dudes from Chile like they're gonna fake like the Peruvian there's gonna be all these fake Peruvian you know big money big money now now that's a big racket I hate to break it to you but those leopard claws that dude has for earrings them shits are plastic that's fake homeboy's fake what lepre claw I'm saying oh yeah conspiracy theory Shing in Mexicans it's just cheaper if we just Mexican Peruvian they're the same is very strong but you can't yeah you got to you know they got to kind of look he's the best he started bringing Brazilians in right every B out there know but you know everybody going to get their cup we're going to put their Cup oh just like that nice nice everybody nice you're going to

150:56see gach my G my go this good everything I do is for uh aaska I fight for aasa I live for that was terrible that would change the world though it sounds like a joke but that would one law you imagine if you get like Dick Cheney and get him up on mushrooms and talk to him about life that would be worth so much money how much like all these like capitalist dudes you you want to make make some real money Donald Trump this is what you do you eat five grams of mushrooms on a webcam if Donald Trump was trying to raise money for his campaign and and that's what he said that was his his big that was his big gimmick he's going to take five grams of mushrooms on a webcam and just talk to Skype with people from all over the world and answer their questions about what he's going to do to fix the world his hair would light on fire spontaneous combustion shave his head halfway into the conversation I

151:52can't I can't do this anymore probably like like cotton candy on my head I can't hang with this anymore but I think that if you could do something like that just and make it something that would be culturally acceptable like it sounds ridiculous now oh we're going to send the presidential candidates down to the Jungle make them do some drugs like it sounds ridiculous right but if there was a culturally it's only ridiculous because you have to leave the country which doesn't make any sense if you do DMT right one of the things that you you feel is that you're not even there you've entered into some completely different dimension some alternative coexisting universe is what it feels like you step into it doesn't matter if you do that in Peru or in Japan or on the Moon it doesn't matter it doesn't matter like where you're going is has nothing to do with where

152:43you are it really has nothing to do with it it's only because it's illegal that people are forced to go to these indigenous cultur cult and do it there if it was legal you could have a shamanic Retreat Center in America and people could go to a shamanic retreat center and it could be treated just as respected as going to you know whatever a psychiatrist or just as respected as going to a a a cancer doctor or an oncologist or anybody just getting your body checked out one of the only there's one of the only countries on the planet where iasa is praised and uh legal is the same country where they take a month off from work and party straight where's that where's that Brazil they took a month off dude Carnival they just parted for a month it's totally legal in Brazil it's totally legal the UN try to impose some and they're like dude you you're not taking away our iasa

153:39damn he we should move to Brazil dude think about that dude D do you how long you think it take us to learn Portuguese do you think I could do standup if I learn Portuguese I could do stand up in Brazil so like have you ever thought about endend of the world scenarios have you ever thought about like if Yellowstone blows up where you going to move I'm moving to Brazil either Brazil or Australia those are the spots Australia be way easier everybody speaks English I just got to get used to the wrong side of the road or convince them to drive on the correct side of the road which probably be better 10et that's how Americans think I if I go to Australia I'm going to tell them listen we stop driving the left driving the right like a normal we invented the car okay 10 Planet Flor anopolis yeah there you go happen why not but do you think is it is it possible that you could see like the

154:25hitting the fan and moving to another country have you ever considered that yes where have you considered moving to Australia is nice when you live in like Melbourne's like Santa Monica I'm going there tomorrow for the first time yeah my first time in Melbourne Sydney's really nice I love Sydney Sydney is awesome that feels the United States they are cool as there they're real friendly very westernized like you could totally fit right in there like if you had to live in Sydney or that's the only place I've been but I'd be like yeah that's just like living in a nice city in America where people have a cool accent that would be it you know did you go with me to Australia ever did you ever do one of the UFC's out there that's right remember we took over that bar and got blasted yes oh my god dude you went nuts he bought the whole bar drinks and oh my god dude we spent

155:16thousands of dollars we we went crazy see we just decided it was me and Tommy sigura and Eddie we had a whole day off so we went to see uh that Leonard DiCaprio movie where they trick you where he he pretends you know it's all a dream incep yeah whatever the no no no it was the other one Shutter Island yeah the island one remember we were both mad all three of us were mad we're like what the you can't just do that oh it's just a dream psych so stupid your dream no dreams are that perfect it was like one of the only times ever in my life that we just made a decision to get drunk like let's go get drunk like let's go to a bar let's find a bar and get up and we're like yeah let's do it we just all decided to go get up like there was nothing else to do there was uh you know I didn't have a show until the next day so we went to this bar and just went off he just bought everybody

156:12drinks everybody kept buying shots we bought hundreds of shots I don't even know how much money I spent it was insane we literally was buying people drinks and and high-fiving people and hugging people it was nuts it was nuts we stayed there for hours we were wrecked yeah that was about as drunk as I've ever gotten as a grown man and then uh went back to the hotel room I think I threw up I don't remember and then the next day we had a show I think that was Joe Stevenson George soropoulos was it yeah what was the main event that I don't know I do not know God there's so many fights now it's crazy it's crazy it's impossible did you see VOR just take out Dan Henderson again damn head kick damn who ever thought who ever thought you know at one point there was only one Brazilian that could box and was VOR but Millo could box too and uh I think yeah henzo could box a little bit

157:09he had good you know vor's kicks though they have changed his whole game cuz vtor always had hand you know vtor had like seven hand operations yeah he's broken his hands like seven times so what do you think about him being off trt what do you think about that well the reality is okay he's not off it if here's my my if he really needed it so bad that he said he needed it before and uh it was a medical issue his body was low on testosterone and he had to take it and then he took it and was just destroying everybody like look like a world beater like godamn remember when vtor was you got to think that he was probably fighting with load test for a long time like the Matt lindland days and a couple maybe even sakuraba fight like low test low test to so remember remember what he looked like when he was 19 against R Couture but okay that's true but you ever see what he looked like when he

158:03fought Rich Franklin he knocked out Rich Franklin but go to Rich Franklin versus vtor bord he's not as big no no he's smooth dude he doesn't look shredded at all he's still bombing on Rich Franklin he still had the skills and everything that but it's I think it might have been one of the reasons why he Fades so quickly one of the reasons why he it's hard for him to sustain like a hard Pace without the trt and I think that a fight like the Dan Henderson fight points to the fact that he's still super dangerous he's got nasty skills and really fast as but he didn't do anything look at him there yeah that's what him against Rich Franklin look at his body I mean he's like real smooth I mean he doesn't look like a pipsqueak he still looks like an athlete for sure but it doesn't look like vtor in the trt days not not even close after trt this is a no this is before trt see he Lo he

158:55fought like this then he fought uh Anderson and then and all the way by the way this is all after he tested positive for steroids the first time he fought um in uh pride in uh Vegas he tested positive for steroids when he fought I think it was Dan Henderson he lost that fight but he tested positive for something some metabol that was the UFC no that was Pride they don't test they did when they were in Vegas when had the one show in the United States they tested and that's the one show where Nick Diaz got popped for fighting gy remember he got popped for weed and vtor got popped for steroids so when the side effect of using steroids and this is one of the reasons why a lot of people are against testosterone replacement therapy for Fighters is that when you use steroids your body stops producing testosterone on its own so you could get tested the steroids have since left your

159:44body but your body's not the endocrine system hasn't recovered yet so you go to the doctor and you go hey man I just really love testosterone and the doctor's like we certainly do this is proof positive we have it here in the blood they do a blood test they get the results they put the results against the commission and they say hey um this guy needs test and so they give him a testosterone uh use exemption a Tue and that was what all these Fighters were getting but the complaints from the people that were clean or you know wanted everybody to be clean you know allegedly were clean I should say was that the only reason why these guys have low test in their early 30s like you know some of these guys like they had a guy that was 25 that was on testosterone replacement and like the only and he looked like a tank the only way a guy would need this at that age is if he

160:25abused his system if he took testosterone and up his endocrine system so that was like the big argument against the testosterone use exemption so if you look at him right there now pull up vtor Belford versus Luke rockold and this is a totally different animal I mean this doesn't even this is like two years later right and he doesn't look remotely like the same guy I mean he looks like a guy damn this was at the weigh-ins by the way the weigh-ins go up where he's throwing that wheel kick right there bam look at the difference in his build dude I mean what the this is the same weight class okay but he looks like he's at least 10 pounds of muscle bigger completely shredded look at that 10 pounds of muscle Luke rockold y That's after he smashed Luke rockold and so he was on trt here yes he was sh well I think vtor on trt looks fantastic I think vtor on trt is

161:25one of the scariest Fighters the MMA world has ever seen it's crazy he's still fighting and at that level and at the highest level he's the only guy left nope yeah him and Josh Barnett he I would have loved to have seen vtor like this trt vtor versus Weidman trt vtor versus Anderson Silva I would have loved to see it I understand that it's not fair and I wouldn't expect Weidman to take that fight if he knew that vtor was on trt I wouldn't expect it but godamn I would have loved to have seen it and no way Luke rockold is on trt no way right well never say no way because guys have tested positive that looked absolutely like you never know because they look like and the testosterone makes them look a little bit better or the whatever they're taking makes him look a little bit better whose arm is bigger look at his arm and then look at V well Rook rockold first of all is

162:11taller so if he's going to weigh the same amount he's going to have less muscle there's just no way around it it'll be longer he gets a lot of ho God ja looks like Mark Kerr but Luke rockold is a Savage I mean that dude's a stud he's one of the toughest guys in the sport and real smart real technical but trt vtor ran him over trt vtor wheel kicked him in the head and beat him down and he beat down Dan Henderson like that he knocked out Michael Bisping with a head kick and his eye up permanently Michael bisping's eye is permanently disfigured because of vtor kicking him in the head this is like he's one of the scariest guys in the history of the sport when he was on trt it was like a four fight run where he was just smashing people and the Dan Henderson fight was one of the most devastating because it wasn't just the kick he had Uncorked a left uppercut before that kick

163:05hurt him real bad and then head kicked him and knocked him out he was a terrifying when he was on trt so he's more tentative now he didn't do a single thing for the first two minutes in this fight he literally didn't throw a punch or a kick he just circled for 2 minutes and then you know Dan threw a couple inside leg kicks there was a couple like little whiffs you know nothing really connected and then vtor just uncorks that head kick so the question is when you look at vtor now he definitely looks better in this fight than he did in the widman fight he looked more built but he still didn't look like he looked when he was on trt so even if he look at that shot down where he's punching Dan Henderson in the head look at that Jesus Christ look build on him dude he looks like a lion look at his neck like look at the traps on this guy when he's throwing this punch and he's

163:57connecting perfectly on Dan Henderson's jaw on that shot that is a classic picture he was a monster dude but the question is like what is he doing now how's he if he needed testosterone replacement before like how is he how is his body recovered like this like what is he is it has he figured out some nutritional way to get around it or is he figuring out some undetectable way to use no one knows you know we're not going to know unless he gets caught based on what his body looked like in his last fight against Dan Henderson would you do you think his body looks like he's not on it or he definitely doesn't look like Tim Kennedy said it was best he said it doesn't look like vtos is using as many steroids Tim Kennedy is hilarious he said he wanted to fight the slow I'm interested in fight you said with the slower fatter VOR yeah meanwhile it looks like he does steroids too he's a

164:49tank that dude I know I'm not saying he does but he's yed he's yed damn he's 510 he walks around 220 lbs I'm not saying he does steroids and I'm saying if it got out I wouldn't be like oh my God I know right well you know who the knows who knows who's doing it who's not doing it it's I'm a fan of his though by the way Tim Kennedy was that was a compliment you know what I mean that was a compliment I think um you know I just did it did that you know why I say I don't you got fix that bro I think like um like can you can you uh control your what we see or is he controlling we can do it if we set it up I can connect Apple TV that's the future for you man if you can just cuz you're really good at looking through yeah but it's distracting it's better to have Jamie do it because I like to engage with the person I'm talking to I don't want to look down and and type in I

165:40do that occasionally but I think it's best we figured out a rhythm J yeah I get it I get it figured out how to do this but um so Ronda fighting in uh Australia in front of 70,000 people this weekend that's for sure 70 yeah well they had sold like as of a couple weeks ago they were already like 50,000 tickets sold remember those people who thought R women's MMA would never make it how about Dana there was so many people Dana didn't think so it has to be someone like her though what's interesting is like uh Yanna the strawweight champion she's like scarier than Rhonda but she beats people up she smashes their face in yeah you know for me and I think AIG big part of the reason there are those people that that thought uh women's MMA would never make it and they still holding on to that they think that Ronda is just a freak and after her it's over there's so still

166:28some people but the reason was I everyone kind of thought that at first too because in the beginning back in like 99 200000 the girls that were doing MMA had no skill they had nothing they were so it looked like man girls really can't fight they I even doubted it but that one time in Vegas where we went I forget what show it was tough enough it was tough enough and there was girls going I'm like holy we had so much fun I right there that's when I became Pro female MMA that's why I thought like wow girl people like watching girls pull their hair and and scratch each other we like watching that we'll watch that in a second big you know we watch it on World Star Hip Hop all the time we went there to see Nick the goat Thompson fight remember he was the main event that's right yeah Nick Thompson that's right interesting too I forget who that girl super smart guy he was like a law

167:18student the chick had legit Jiu-Jitsu that's the first time I saw legit uh uh Jiu-Jitsu in a women's MMA fight I don't know it was like 298 and then uh and then what Jeff Osborne did you know he's he's the original invictor yeah hook and shoot yeah yeah well Osborne put on Eve Edwards versus uh Aaron um Riley Aaron Riley in like 9 six or some right when was that fight I don't remember the year but it was 99 maybe the same era of Mecca and uh remember the valley tudo what was it IVC remember those days yeah the Pedro remember the Pedro that's that's like uh you know talking about those days it's like in in metal that's the equivalent to the German thrash scene it's just like that remember that Mecca and IVC most people don't know what that is do you remember that dude the Pedro yeah remember Gary Goodridge reached down into his pants and grabbed his dick yeah made Gary

168:17Goodridge reached down and crushed his guy's balls in his hands with his feet with his feet in his hands too though right he did it with his feet only with his feet I tell you I tell you what Eddie Bravo I turned his nuts into peanut butter that's so up that's what he said word for word guys can get their see if you could find that the Pedro Gary Goodridge nutsh shot yeah the Pedro versus Gary Goodridge uh Nut Smash yeah testicle crunch he loved it you wear allowed to do that back in the day remember theop remember Keith Hackney versus Joan had Joan at side control Joan held on to the Head the headlock it was before the Von flu choke was invented punching his balls and he just wailing on his balls wailing on his balls that's the new era eventually it's going to be MMA where balls are legal God damn when the balls are in play the game changes that we had that

169:11sketch extreme sack fighting that's the next level Bobby Lee was going to be the champ cuz he had the littlest balls dude you make yeah you make you make M uh uh ball shots legal in MMA it changes everything you don't keep your hands up you keep your hands low okay what's going on here what do you say found a knee to the to the no he like grabbed his balls I didn't see that extreme sacrifice he might have not remembered it right honestly I kind of remember him doing it with his hands no he does it with his feet it's with his feet this is Gary G in Pride that's in Pride it's definitely not it it's not a that either that's that's pedroo it's it's actually the Pedro that's I typed in up here you typed in the Pedro yeah you know it might be one of those ones where nobody has it yeah here we go Gary Goodridge go down to the Pedro the fourth one down click on

170:04that let's see if this is it this is the Pedro this is it but this is him but that's not Gary Goodridge he's fighting that's somebody else oh there's a highlight reel of the Pedro and you know what he's not going to show that he might he might just say look at this I want to know about that guy I want to know about the Pedro that guy was a he's like like pioneer yeah man he look at how these old school nets they used to put Nets around the ring fight in ring well they used to fight in rings like people don't know that Chuck Liddell fought uh p p Jose Landy Jose ple Landy John's who was at the time the baddest from Shoot boox P was up Beast Man when he was young he was devastating he was like the leader of the shoot box crew he was one of the best and um Chuck lell fought him no rules with bare Knuckles that's a wild ass fight all you uh UFC Fanatics

171:03that are under 30 I mean you got to know your history you got to go back and study it's like to us it's like studying the 30s and the 40s you know what I mean we got to go back look at the 6s you got to look at that old school stuff son you got to understand how the Masters did it real IVC and what was the other one called fedo leenda he was the first day yeah that's right what was his his organization called it was either IVC or Mecca two dud jle fight there was two dudes it was fabrio lenda and then there was another guy yeah that's that's some Ser that was late 90s MMA bare Knuckles how about when Marco huos fought Oleg tarov in a hotel in Brazil they had like a chandelier above the ring they fought in a ring I don't remember that bare knuckle yeah I had I had it on VHS it's the most ridiculous scenario they're like like in a conference room oh yeah

171:55yeah yeah yeah they fought bare knuckle was like a slow methodical find um find that uh Marco huas Ru versus Oleg tarov they fought in Brazil it's in a ring and they have this like ridiculous like chandelier above the C above the ring you're like looking at this chandelier what the is that where are you second name Marco o tarov he was one of the original fighters in the UFC the first ever that I had ever heard of before i' never even heard of it before yeah this guy was throwing up these leg locks it's hilarious when you look at like we thought oh tarf was a leg lock Master you compare him to someone like Eddie Cummings and you look at like how the leglock game has changed in 20 years just radically changed yeah to the point like people have figured out all these crazy new ways to control and enter and we used to think that ole tear was yeah yeah he a tough prick remember when

172:51henzo up kicked him and knocked him out he just went back start that was World Combat championships right the WCC or something like that that was the same one where Tom Erikson fought Millo Bustamante for like 90 minutes oh remember that right yeah Tom Ericson was like 300 lbs he was a beast dud he was giant Tom Ericson was the first uh male uh not male but heavyweight unbeatable Tom came along he came along Heath uh Heath Herring did Heath Herring took his back in in Pride he got tired Tom got tired yeah this is it like look where they are they're in a there is like some angles you get to see like I guess actually with that thing above their head this is crazy like it's hard to see from this angle look at this fight this is crazy oh T just landed some good shots bare knuckle how long does this one go for oh it was a long ass fight this looks like like 30

173:48minutes it says um but they um they fought in like a conference Hall man this is after they had both left the UFC it looks like a place where you have two fight see look at that look at the ceiling look at that chandelier what is that that's nuts it's bizarre throwing down oh look just tagged him I like we thought like Marco whoos at the time was like a world class Striker you know it's interesting back then he was he was really good for MMA he was really good at a bunch of different things but if you compared him back then to a guy like Andy hook who was fighting K1 at the same time who was a real world class Striker or a guy like Jerome leaner or or you know Peter SS it's a big difference Marco who first guy to used leg kick successfully in the UFC Paul varland chopped down the another classic fight you youngsters watch Paul Varin and Marco HOAs man Paul Varin was the first pigeon

174:45toed giant American male to fight in the UFC too giant it's been a couple of those remember the remember his uh his style I don't remember what he trap fighting is that what they called it oh my God he's a master of trap a lot of those guys had some crazy Eve Edwards Takes the Cake though thugjitsu yeah thugjitsu Master that's still his uh his Twitter handle which is funny now because he's an analyst for Fox and his Twitter handle is thug Jitsu he might have to change his he's a really good analyst man he was was on like uh UFC inside or whatever the it is whatever they call it yeah he was on after the fights analyzing the fights breaking down the fights his past weekend the vour and I didn't know he was still on the roster yeah well he's doing an analyst work now so he's not fighting no he's retired he's retired from fighting but his his analysis was really good man wow

175:39he uh he the Anthony Burak Thomas Al made a fight he was excellent in that excellent yeah he's very good he commentated it no after the fight he broke down what what happened you know he broke down and then they'll talk about like what guys have to do in order to win the fight and what what their best strategies are he's very smooth man very good very you know evees fought like we said back in the hook and shoot days when he fought Aaron Riley which was like the 90s he's been around for so long I mean he's he's got so much information in his head and even though he lost some of his fights towards the end he hasn't he hasn't like suffered in to the point where he's hard to hear communicate you know he's very smooth very good communicator so he's smart about when he got out he was like you know what I just step back now and so he's like still got all his faculties

176:25he's excellent as a as a analyst those are the best analysts like Dominick Cruz he's one of my favorites too super smooth and you know and also Dominic is just really hard to hit man he's he's not a guy that gets hit a lot he's like a big part of what he does is like avoid damage he's very smart like that like you very rarely see that guy in like a crazy slugfest you know so because of that I bet he'll have uh a long career in being an analyst after he's done fighting too MH it's amazing that there's so many football analysts after all the head trauma they go through yeah it's I think they just pump those dudes filled with Aderall and steroids wind up their ass and just push them out there get it is there is there something that you can take out there that's on the black market that just makes your brain healthier there you go yeah for real for real mushrooms is supposedly psilocybin

177:17is one of the few things that's supposed to be able to regenerate uh neurons whether or not that's true I you were joking no I read that read stuff like that I read stuff like that and then I close my laptop because I don't even want to know the details I'm like just going to just start repeating this yeah you know I don't know if it's true the last time we talked to Amber Lions emailed her really recently she's gone on some wild trip all around the world psychic drugs oh she's doing everything man everything what do you got what do you got she's doing it she's trying out in all these indigenous cultures traveling all over the world writing the first time she was on your podcast yeah she didn't she was all business it was all that reporting CNN had nothing to do and during that podcast you started talking about mushrooms and you were going off and you you uh broke it

178:02all down and she's sitting there and she was in a real bad spot in her life like her life was falling apart at that point and she just decided it I'm going to Peru or wherever she went in South America by yourself one sock she didn't take she just went she comes back and that's she's like a crusader for weird huh Pilla sibin crazy son it's insane man sometimes you find the right people we got one minute Jesus Christ Eddie Bravo it's over jesr well let's do another one before ebi uh the next ebi which is December 15th is that right Sunday December 13th downtown LA you could order it on pay-per-view at budovideos.com ebi and so that will be the weekend after the UFC yeah right after perfect right it's the next day perfect downtown show starts at 5:00 you can get your ticket to Ticket Master uh it's a 16 man submission only tournament this the deepest darkest bracket ever

179:01Denny prpo returning Champion uh Nathan Orchard hany yaaya gold medalist at abui hael Domingos Kim Terra Javi Vasquez Ruben Alvarez leglock ma a master from the southeast this is seriously every show gets harder and harder to win winner take all $220,000 possible the winner gets has to win four matches he gets paid uh 5,000 for each match he wins in regulation but what's the uh website real quick cuz we're out of time um Eddie Bravo invitational. comom that's it Eddie Bravo on Twitter we'll see you I'll see you when I get back from Australia holl thank you sir we it