Andy Stumpf

00:03The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Andy Stumplot, good to see ya. What's going on, man? Good to see you, brother. We were just talking about your cleared hot podcast t-shirt. It was more the Joe Rogan got in trouble t-shirt that did great things for sales every time the Fox News would clear. Yeah. I remember texting with you, and you're like, it would be better if it said podcast so people would know what it was. Yeah. So V2 is good to go. So now, if I get caught saying trans women aren't women. The number of times during the pandemic that they use that picture. Well, it's because they use photos of me at the UFC weigh-ins. Yeah. And I wore your shirt at the weigh-ins a couple times. I'm here for it. It did great things for sales. I'm happy. Well, that is generally the idea, genuinely the idea of why I wear it at the, I mean,

01:01whenever I wear someone's shirt at the UFC weigh-ins, I know it's going to be on ESPN, people are going to watch it. So I put it on. Yeah. Trying to give my man some love. I think it was probably a three-week time period where at least once a day, I would see, somebody would send me that picture. One of the problems is in some of the photos of me at the weigh-ins, I'm holding on to the wait list of all the different fighters, what they weighed in at. Yeah, because it's ceremonial, right? Yes, exactly. So I have this piece of paper and I have a microphone and I'm addressing the crowd. And when I address the crowd, I do it like this. I raise my hand up and I'm doing this. What's up? It's moving. It's not a Hitler. But in the photos, it certainly looks like a Hitler. Today is certainly an awkward day for a photo like that. I got a Henzo shirt on there. So I've wore a bunch of them with John jock shirts

01:53But it's just different stuff. Yeah, there's a what is that one? Oh, that's an honor shirt Yeah, I wore a bunch on it shirts, but the whole idea is just you know, yeah Help your friends. I think that was the one they found and they have the chance to how Far after the actual weigh-in is that ceremonial one they have about I think it starts in the morning and I think it cuts off at 10 a.m. I think they have a certain amount of time where they have to make the wait. So it's not like they can make wait at the weigh-in, at the ceremonial weigh-in. They don't have that amount of time. But is it hours later? So I'm asking because I'm assuming they start hydrating the second they get off the scale. Yeah, usually we do it at 4 p.m. Sometimes it's a little later. So you've got to think. They have at least six hours. Okay. So they're back on the liquids or however they can.

02:45You can't IV it, unfortunately, because IVs can mask any sort of PED use, I guess, somehow or another. I guess if you, like, super, super hydrate, when you piss and they do a piss test, you're just only going to get the fluid. Couldn't they test them before the weigh-in? They could. Yeah, they could. They could test them before the weigh-in. But the thing is, like, when someone's weighing in, drawing blood, these people are on death's door. Yeah. It's really fucked. I hate weigh-ins. I hate me the fact that these guys make weight not always but like 50% of the time because some guys do it very intelligently like some guys are really only cutting a few amount a few percentage of their body weight yeah, but some guys are cutting Extraordinary amounts of weight, and it's very dangerous. It's very dangerous

03:35It's they seem great because they look healthy, but it's very dangerous is bad for your organs. It's bad for your kidneys There's been fighters that have died from cutting weight. And it's also, I've seen these guys on death's door 24 hours before the most savage competition that's currently available that's legal. I mean, that's what it is. It's like you're engaging in a fucking cage fight and maybe for 25 minutes, 24 hours after you were on death's door. That's insane. What do you think you start feeling like shit? Like the first round, does it hit you? It hits well adrenaline kicks in the first round it definitely limits your ability to take shots That's pretty universally agreed upon is that fighters that have cut too much weight They say it affects their chin affects your durability because your brain is not gonna hydrate at the same rate as your muscles and everything else

04:28Apparently take let's google that how long does it take your brain to rehydrate? naturally with liquids after you've been dehydrated because there's a vast superiority apparently in that regard to IVs. I feel like it would affect your engine too. Oh, it has to affect everything. It's basically like getting shit faced, pissed, drunk, fucked up, hung over, doing blow. And then the next day, like sort of like, Oh Jesus, I got to get to the gym. Like you're wrecking yourself. Yeah. I've seen guys that they can't lift their leg up when Travis Luter weighed in when he He fought Anderson Silva. It was the worst I've ever seen. Travis was walking to the scale, and he was shuffling. The real weigh-in? Yeah, the real weigh-in. He was shuffling to the scale because he missed weight. It was for the world title, too. And Travis had a very good chance at that time.

05:19Travis was one of the best black belts that ever fought in the UFC. He was a killer. He had knockout power in his hands. He could stand and bang with guys, but his jiu-jitsu was fucking top of the food chain at the time. He was good, but he was so depleted. By the time he got into the octagon to that fight any miss weight So he wouldn't have been able to win the title anyway, so he loses a percentage of his purse Miss weight you can't fight for the it's not for the title anymore Now it's just a five-round main event and he's still you know just it sucks because you see these guys who are super fucking talented and Then you see this massive price that they paid 24 hours before the fight. I Feel like it's voidable Well, I also feel like it'd be a better show, too, if they didn't make him do that. I think so, too. That's why I've got to always give props to Frankie Edgar.

06:08Because Frankie Edgar beat BJ Penn, and Frankie weighed 155 pounds. That's what he weighed. That was his walk around? You could tell when you looked at him. He looked like a 155-pound guy. Whereas if you're around some of these guys, some of these guys that are 155, like Charles Oliveira, is fucking huge. Like, how are you 155? Justin Gaethje? Dustin Poirier? Those guys are big. Those guys are like 190 plus. Michael Chandler, he's like pushing 200 pounds. Except for about one minute. Yeah, for a short amount of time. They suck themselves down to like just these dehydrated, dried sponge bones and organs. And then they get on that scale, and then they pump back up, and then they look pretty good at the ceremonial weigh-in. And then over the next 24 hours, they rehydrate. And Alex Pajeda, who's probably the biggest example of weight cutting in the UFC, he weighs 185.

07:00And you can't fucking believe it for a second you look at him. You're like what? He's chiseled out of marble. He's a giant. He's a big motherfucker, and he hits hard. He's a scary dude But I think that his weight cutting like you can't do it. You can't say hey Alex Would you step in to fight for the title in four weeks? He can't make the weight. He's walking around on 226 to 27 He's big I mean so for him to cut he's got to start slowly and there's like a very methodical process they do with nutritionists and these weight cutting experts like To think you could do that over weeks though say like months out and then 24 hours later you're going to be performing at your prime You're not no fucking way. You're not you're not you're not You're not you would definitely be performing better if you didn't have to cut that weight But there's something to be said for the discipline of cutting weight

07:51Because in order to do that if you're a hundred and seventy pound guy and you're going down to 145 You gotta fucking be disciplined like you got to be all in dialed in but so many fighters have gone up in weight And that's been the prime of their career Jorge Masvidal is a good example that there's a lot of Robert Whittaker is a good example that at 170 he was too big It was hurting him too much to get down to 170 Hamza Chemaev He missed weight by eight pounds when he was supposed to be fighting Nate Diaz. Do you get any of your purse if you miss it by eight pounds? You do. Well, fortunately for him, Kevin Holland's a wild man. So Kevin Holland decided to take that fight on 24 hours notice. I mean, Kevin Holland's preparing for Daniel Rodriguez. So he's preparing for a striker at 180, luckily. And so they decide, okay, let's just go up to 180. We'll take this fight at 180. I have no interest in that.

08:44I enjoy nachos, you know. Nachos are a delicious food product, but I do believe they might cause inflammation. I'm not saying I enjoy nachos every day. I enjoy them enough with other things that are probably not good for me that I have no desire to cut weight like that. I hear you, bro. Yeah, I hear you. But if you want to be the fucking conqueror, if you want to be the man. I've met a few of the fighters. I was at a shooting event with Gaethje. Super nice guy. He's the best. Justin's great. He's awesome. Salt of the earth. It's funny to me how many people who are walking around absolute fucking murderers that are the kindest people on planet Earth. They have no desire to be violent whatsoever except for maybe 25 minutes. I think that's why. I think they get it all out. I think they get it all out in the gym. I really do. I mean, you know that from jujitsu. Jujitsu people are some of the nicest people ever.

09:35Some of them. Some of them. But, you know, look, you can't get all great people. It's too hard. But then when you get into the black belt range, you get a very high percentage of great people. Very high percentage. I've had it said to me by a few coaches that the black belt itself has the highest deviation in range and ability than any other belt leading up to it. Oh, for sure. If you think about, like, the guys that keep going way past that. We were talking earlier. We were making these analogies about scratch golfers. And you were saying that a scratch golfer is like a black belt. and that someone was saying it was like a purple belt yeah yeah you were saying no no it's like a black belt and then i think what some people don't know is there's black belts and then there's black belts you know there's marcelo garcias where you roll with them you're like what am i doing

10:23like why am i even doing other black i've heard other black belts describe experiences like that it's the same thing like yeah i rolled with that guy and he made me feel like a white belt and that dude has more stripes on his belt than you can count yeah like how the fuck is that possible How is that possible? I mean that was always the case with Hickson Hickson when he would do seminars he would teach seminars and then he would teach these black belts the finer points of techniques and things That they didn't even know like these guys are black belts Yeah, and he's showing them this is why and then you put your position in Disney and then they're like holy shit Like now all the sudden light bulbs go off and you realize you've you've been doing this one position wrong a very simple position Maybe it's a guard pass. Maybe it's a triangle whatever it is

11:01He would do this. He would teach these black belts blow them away And then he would line them up and roll with them smash one after another and these guys who would wait So they'd be warming up and stretching out and they'd watch him go to town with these assassins So you know how many I'm fifth maybe I'll chance maybe they'll be tired He never gets tired because he never puts in any effort Yours is videos of Hickson. We could pull up a video of Hickson rolling with a series of black belts This is the Hicks and Samurai days. This is when he was the motherfucker. He used to wear his hair in like a samurai bun. He was all in. Cultural appropriation. A little bit, but I think he can do it. He's Hicks and Gracie. If anybody has the spirit of a samurai, it's that guy. So Henry is one of his first American black belts. He has stories of world champions coming in and just getting fuck started. Yeah.

11:53Like putting their belt in the garbage can on the way out. Paul Ophelia said that. Paul Ophelia said that when he was a WEF or what was it which which organization was he world champion of he was He was or he was a world champion of one of the organizations of the UFC acquired. I forget which one I'm having a brain fart. But anyway, Paul Ophelia who was fought in pride. He was a legit black belt He submitted a lot of fucking people. He submitted Melvin manhoof in a crazy fight You ever see that fight? I'll show you that fight. I don't think I've ever heard that name. That's right WEC Right, okay, so go what was I gonna say go to let's go to Paulo Filio first So you see Paulo Filio, do you have the Hickson one? Okay, go Paulo Filio versus Melvin Manhoof Melvin Manhoof is probably he's in my top ten favorite kickboxers of all time. He was a

12:46Wild motherfucker, and he was so powerful and he was all gas and no brakes and the most for sure the most destructive Kickboxer that ever fought in pride right up there with Mirko Krokop like that that level although Mirko was more successful But Melvin what because Melvin was much smaller But Melvin knocked out Mark Hunt with one punch and he weighed 190 pounds at the time Is this same rule set as UFC? No, this is pride. So pride is amazing because you can kick on the ground You can stomp guys in the head you can do anything because of the ring I think that's a little bit more fair because you can move your head around a little bit more in a cage You know I had a conversation with Tate Fletcher about that and he's saying no it's the cage You can't like stomp a guy with their head is pressed against the cage I'm like yeah, you got a point it doesn't look like it'd be harder to control

13:33Control them up against that the ring Yeah, definitely and I think it makes takedowns more difficult as well and makes getting back up more much more difficult Getting back up, you know, it's very hard to do in the center, right? You get you got to escape So he's getting tooled on by one of the most ferocious strikers to ever fight in MMA who's built like a fucking superhero, right? But Paul Ophelio eventually catches him. But this is how good he was in his prime. Now, in his prime, during these times, he rolled with Hickson. And he said he felt like a white belt. He went and rolled with Hickson. He was like, oh my God. Everything they say is true. Everything they say about him is true. So he gets him down finally. Oh, he's getting that arm. Oh, yeah. No, Paul Ophelio, he was a bad motherfucker, dude. Tight jujitsu. Look at the space. Look at the space. See, no space? Look at that space.

14:21I mean his jiu-jitsu is tight man elite elite shit look at this god Yeah, I have a hard time watching this because I'm waiting for the elbow to detonate in the wrong direction I know I've seen a lot of those But that but look how tight that jiu-jitsu was yeah tight and he's a young man in his prime He went roll with Hicks and he's like the stories are all true the stories are all true Which is hard to believe you know like that. There's this one guy that is just so far above Yeah, it's like thing about him to the spiritual aspect the meditation and the yoga free people out You know like when they're actually rolling with them. It freaks them out. Like Jesus Christ. This is Hicks and Gracie I've I've spent a lot of time traveling around going to Henry seminar so I get to pick his brain and I've been there when somebody's asked him. It's like so

15:10You know how long when you were training with Hickson until you were able to you know tap him out and after he got up off the floor laughing Like I never scored a point on that guy And I've rolled with Henry. It's the single most uncomfortable rolling experience I've ever had. There's no space. If you give him an inch, he takes several. You don't get it back. The pressure, you feel like you're being pancaked under a hydraulic press. And so that's kind of like my upper end bar. And then to hear that somebody at that upper end level was unable to ever score a point against their coach. Like what the fuck? I know, it's crazy. But that's what we're talking about. There's layers and layers and levels and levels. You know, it's funny. You roll with John Jock Machado, he's talking to you the whole time. Joe Hogan, come on, my friend. I don't know if I'm cool with that. It's like, at least work.

16:01Please pretend like you're breathing hard. No, he's never breathing hard. John Jock never breathes hard. Never. Never. Never see him breathing hard. He's always relaxed and calm, no explosive movements. But that's also why he's 50 and he can still roll with black belts. No problem at all. No problem. He's had a little meniscus injury in his knee. like little tiny shit yeah so i heard a lot after the i didn't hear a lot i read a lot after the crone fight people talking about jiu-jitsu like as if that was what happened in that fight proof that jiu-jitsu is no longer valid for the ufc i was curious about your thoughts on that fight well then how does paul craig keep pulling it off paul craig submitted jamal hill who's the light heavyweight champion he submitted a shit ton of guys he's and he submits guys off his back His triangle is fucking evil. His triangle is evil.

16:50That motherfucker has a world-class triangle. So what do you think the difference was in that fight then? Were you there for that? Yes. Charles Jourdain, first of all, is very good. He's a very good fighter. He's very good. He's very good all around. He's very good standing up. He's very technical. He doesn't do anything stupid. He doesn't take wild chances. He was very safe, especially when he wrapped up his guard around him. He was like, no, no, no, no, no. But also Charles Jourdain is a legit black belt. So it's not like Krohn is going to the ground and he's in the guard of someone who doesn't know what's going on. Charles Jourdain knows exactly what's going on. And they're sweaty. And he's playing defense. And he gets to punch you in the face. It's a different world. Now, if Charles Jourdain and Krohn were just rolling, I think Krohn is many steps above him in just straight jiu-jitsu.

17:37I mean, Krohn Gracie is a motherfucker, dude. He's outstanding. I mean, he's a legit world champion jiu-jitsu player. but his striking is not at the same level as those guys, and he doesn't have the kind of takedowns like an Aljamain Sterling or like some legit wrestler where there's always this threat of this power double that you can't defend. I mean, Aljamain took down Henry Cejudo, you know? I mean, he only was Olympic champion. I know, no big deal. So Aljamain is like, in my opinion, is like the best example of a jiu-jitsu player because he's got elite back control, world-class rear naked choke. The rear naked choke he did on San Hagen, out of control. I mean, just know you're not getting out of this. You're going to sleep 100%. His backpack and his rear naked choke is top of the food chain. But he's also a great wrestler. You've got to have that. You've got to be able to control position.

18:31You've got to be able to take guys down. He can take guys down. And if you can't, you've got to be that motherfucker of a striker like Charles Oliveira Where everybody wants to take him down because he's fucking coming at you like lifting those knees up walking forward throwing bombs doesn't seem to go their way once they get him on the ground. Goddamn, but you can't say jiu-jitsu doesn't work because how's Charles Rivera submitting everyone? He submits every he's insane submissions over elite guys. I guess to be fair. I don't think it was saying that jiu-jitsu didn't work. I guess What I saw more often was people saying that the old-school Gracie style and again I don't have my toes in the experience pool enough, and that's why I asked you. I'm curious in your thoughts that that style of jiu-jitsu, Polgaard get it to the ground was outdated.

19:14It depends on who you are, man, because he did it with Alex Caceres. He got a hold of Alex Caceres. It just depends on who you are. It depends on the skill set of the opponent that he's encountering, and it depends on who he's training with. I don't know what Krohn did for that training camp. He lives in Montana, no? Yeah, I know. I don't know if he did his camp there, though. I don't know either. I'm not aware. I was excited to see him back because I'm always excited to see a real specialist. You know, I'm always excited to see like a payada, you know, world-class kickboxer someone like crone So world-class submission artist. It's always exciting when you see a world like wrestlers like a bow nickel or a world-class wrestler Yeah, it's always exciting to see a specialist, but I don't know what he did

19:57It's just like the performance wasn't his best. It just really Jordan's good man that you can't take it away from him He fought the perfect fight. And I think Krohn was very frustrated. He just couldn't get him down, so he's just pulling guard. And when he's pulling guard, he wasn't able to do anything with it. Yeah. He didn't even really threaten. There's not, like, one moment where it looked like he almost had something, which is crazy when you think about how good he is. Yeah. I think you're right. I think if it was just a straight jiu-jitsu rule set, probably would have been. He's on another level. He's on another level. But that's also, Jordan is not training straight jiu-jitsu all the time like that. He's doing everything. You know, he's like that's why his knees are so good. That guy's a nasty fighter man. He's very good When I saw that fight I was like, oh This is it's a very good fight for Jordan

20:42I thought because it's a good like high profile opponent to show people how good he is There's a few of those guys that are out there that are kind of under the radar that are so fucking good But it's just because there's so much talent now where those guys would be like everybody be talking about them a few years ago Now it's like there's so many of them There's so many every fucking division has some new guy I've never heard of who comes over with like an 11-0 record from Brazil and he's a motherfucker Or Dagestan. Oh my god those guys. They're just they're making them in factories over there. It's crazy. They're all killers Yeah, they're all killers. There's there's so many good guys that out there in the world now How well can you hear those shots cage side? Depends on where you're at at the apex you hear them real good. Yeah, it seems quiet You can hear the floor flexing, even on TV.

21:32The Apex is the best. I hear people saying, like, stop having fights at the Apex. The UFC is lazy for having fights at the Apex. I'm like, what are you talking about? Go there once and see a fight there. It's amazing. Some of the most fun experiences that I've had of calling fights and being there. I've only been to the Apex twice just to watch fights. No, actually once. Yeah, once at the Apex and once in Austin. So in Austin, it was for a crowd where I was just in the audience. And at the Apex, I was just sitting there watching. It was amazing. You hear the breathing. You hear the shit talking. You hear the corner men. You hear everything. And since I was at the side, I could listen in one ear. I could actually hear the commentary, too. And you're just like everything. You hear every fucking strike. You hear in packs. The COVID fights? It was crazy because you could hear the corners, too. Yeah. Yeah.

22:22Yeah, the COVID fights were crazy. But now there's small crowds in some of these. Like the Apex might have a couple hundred people. I just think you get the best seat in the house. It's got to be happening occasionally where somebody just gets taken down directly in front of you and gets the fuck beat out of them. Oh, yeah. Well, for sure. I hear them all the time. Yeah, for sure. How much shit talking is occurring? I mean, there's been some words. It depends on who's fighting. You know, it depends on who's fighting. There was a couple of Khabib like, give up now. Like, just stop. I'm like, fuck. Yeah, that was Khabib against Michael Johnson. He's like, you know I should be fighting for the title. Like, save it for later, dude. Let's talk about this later. That was a scary one because he got him in a Kimura. I'm like, please tap. Please tap. Please tap. Yeah, I can't watch that stuff.

23:05Because when guys don't tap to Kimuras, they get that spiral fracture of their upper arm, and it's horrific. How about the heel hook where you just hear all the CLs blow out? Someone just blew their knee out the last UFC. I can't watch it. Yeah, some girl got heel hooked, and her knee just went, just exploded. Yeah. It's rough, man. It's a rough sport. You know, it's like you see those folks walking around backstage, especially ones who have had like 30 fights. And a lot of them are like little limps and kinks in their steps. Everyone's sore. It would be fair to say that I'm into some atypical hobbies, but those fuckers can have that stuff. No desire whatsoever. It's a rough way to make a living. Agreed. And then there's guys like Andre Orlovsky still out. They fought last weekend. It's crazy. That guy's been, he was the UFC champ in like the early 2000s. It's nuts.

23:56It's 2023, and that guy's still throwing down with top-flight heavyweights. I hope he can enjoy the tail end of his life. I mean, the jury's kind of out on that level of concussive injury. Yeah. I hope that he takes some time for himself. That was him when he was the champ. Yeah, he looks totally sane. Yeah, he looked a lot better back then physically, but he's still pretty fucking solid. I dig the Fang mouth guard. That's pretty awesome. He's a legend. The guy's been around forever. The guy's been around forever. So was it 2005 that he was a champ? Bad motherfucker in his day. You know, it's just the fucking game catches up to you. There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. No one survives forever. Even in boxing, like Bernard Hopkins was the one who stayed in the longest. He was fighting world-class championship caliber fighters at 50 years old and winning. Was he still alive? He's still alive.

24:50He fought Joe Smith Jr. in his last fight, and he got obliterated. He got knocked out. Is he all there upstairs? I don't know, but that was a bad—I think he seems all there. He was a very good defensive fighter. When you talk to him, it's not like—there's some fighters like Meldrick Taylor is the saddest. When you hear him talk, it's very bad. Terry Norris, he's got it bad. But Bernard doesn't seem to have any issues. But he was a really good defensive fighter, very rarely hurt in his fights. The Joe Smith fight, he got clipped, and he went through the ropes and fell off the ring onto the ground. It looked like he hit his head, too. It was real bad. Did he get back in? No, that was it. That was the end of the fight. I think he landed on his head. It was real bad. The way he got hit, and he sagged through the ropes, and he got hit, and he fell.

25:35And they didn't have, like, nothing to catch fighters if they fell through the ropes. Like, how do you not have, like, hey, guys, what if this happens? I mean, they had concrete there. Yeah. Oh. It definitely keeps them from dropping into hell. For the short term. For the short term, exactly. Yeah, it's a rough way to learn reality when you're compromised for the rest of your life for decisions you made when you were a young wild man. Yeah, that's why I ask about the long term. It's I hope they have a chance. I mean, again, I have nothing but the most respect for not just the dedication, the work, the desired. And I do believe that people should be able to pursue whatever their passion is to whatever degree they want to. I just hope that at the end of that journey, there's enough left upstairs. They can enjoy. We should just clarify before we go any further that this person saying this is super safe.

26:31It's a fucking psychopath that had the world record for the flying squirrel suit launch. I've said this to you every time. That shit was not difficult. That's what I'm saying. See, that's how crazy you are. You think that jumping out of a fucking airplane with a helmet on flying through the air. This was January, though. This was fucking awesome. These are the parachute jumps you guys did. Yeah. Yeah, we did the... That's very cool. Look how cool that is. Look how cool that is. You guys are over the Great Pyramids. There's another one, Jamie. It's directly... The three pyramids are lined up in the negative space. It might be on my Instagram page. Did you guys get a tour of the pyramids while you were there? Or did you have to jet in? No, we were on such a timeline. So we did... So when I was here with Mike Cirelli, we were talking about what we were going to do.

27:16We finally went down there and started off in Antarctica in January, which was fucking cool. It's not what I thought it would be. What is it like? It's like there's nothing there. No, there's one of the four of us. That's amazing. There's four of us in free fall with all of the pyramids. Keep going. God damn it. Where is it? I know I posted it. Keep going right there. Bottom. Oh, wow. Like, holy shit. That's amazing. What a great photo. Well, looking down as we're, you know. Where did you land? Did you land on the pyramids? No. Okay. If I am being totally honest, I did consider it because the top of it is very flat for a small period. And the landing, if you, the bottom portion of the screen, there's a golf course, an abandoned golf course. So we basically opened our parachutes. You could fly right along the line of the pyramids.

28:09And the pyramid on the bottom left, you can see it has a little bit of a flat square on top of it. There's a golf course right there. I was probably 30 yards from the top of that thing. And I did have a conversation with myself of I could land on this. The journey will be over for me, but it'll definitely make national news. So that'll be good for the rest of the people. And I just went right past it. But looking down in free fall over the top of the pyramids of all, I've been jumping now for 24 years. That is the single coolest jump I've ever done. I thought it was going to be Antarctica, which was a very unique experience, but I can't even like looking down like, holy shit. we're in Egypt over the top of the Pyramid of Giza how wild is it that there was a golf course right next to the pyramids? There's Marriott right there too let's just say in the tourist photos and the

29:00promotional materials for the pyramid they really focus on a particular angle if they did a 180 and you could see the KFC and McDonald's is it really KFC and McDonald's? I'm pretty sure that there is, I know for a fact there's a Marriott Jamie wants to play that course. Oh, 100%. They went viral a couple weeks ago, but they were finding old pictures when it was still an operatable. Yeah, it was abandoned. Why did they abandon it? Probably there were not that many people there. Why does this live PGA tour thing, why don't they resurrect it? Because it's probably not hard enough. Call it party at the pyramids. Not cheap, bro. We're talking about the Saudis. They got all the cash in the world. Let's go. Let's go. They're not playing at shit places. Well, they're going to fix it. They'll fix it. It's not very big. All that shit, Joe, to the right of the golf course, that's like the Marriott over there.

29:49Most of the images are cropped a certain way. There's a very commercial aspect to it, as I'm sure there is. It's kind of closer to what it looks like now. Yeah. Now, did you get a chance to go to Egypt? Were you in Cairo for any length of time? Or was it on the ground, back out? So our goal was to do all seven continents in under seven days. And we were successful. We did it in about six and a half. So it was go the whole time. So we started in Antarctica. We spent like a week there. So tell me what was weird about Antarctica. There's nothing there. So if you want to go see the emperor penguins or all of the wildlife that is available, you can't go to the interior of Antarctica, which is where we were. We were at a... Wow. Jeez. So I thought that this was going to be the coolest jump that I'd ever done. And what I will say is it's probably the coolest location.

30:40just what went into being involved in that, because we were there for a week. We did our first jump the day after we got there, and then we did the final jump the day that we left. But it's a camp. The company is called Ailey, Antarctic Logistics and Exploration. One of the partners is Mike McDowell. And awesome Australian family. His son is out there. Tim's out there working with him. And it's a full-on camp. Like Alex Honnold had passed through shortly after we had left there. He was climbing Mount Vincent, which is the largest mountain in Antarctica. Crazy group of people. Fully set up. Like, library. Indoor packing area for us to do our parachutes. Bathrooms. Showers. Really nice tents. Will Smith was there earlier. Like, people were passing. Yeah. If you're going to film, from my understanding, if you're going to do, like, a high-end film project, you basically work your way through that.

31:31It's fully established. There's a blue ice runway. We flew in on a 757. What's a blue ice runway? A runway made of, like, blue ice. The runway you land on is straight fucking ice. There is lights on. It's crazy. And it's a chartered 757 through Icelandic air. Yeah. Holy shit. You just land on ice? Straight up blue ice. It wasn't that like a deep dark blue. Yeah, that's the Russian. So if you look in front of that aircraft, that's what it is. What the fuck? So that's the Russian plane, which that actually landed while we were there. I got a killer GoPro shot. That's the camp. third row down the little uh yep that's it right there and that's basically what it looked like when we were there too they had now is that camp set up for scientists no so they're at the south pole there is a bunch of from my understanding like pure science going on there funded by

32:23governments this is straight up kind of tourism i mean you can go there and just hang out at camp you can go see uh glaciers yeah i mean this is this is at one of the other they have remote camps as well they have like a crazy um like very high-end camp like and yeah like there's tents like that those are the tents we were staying in right there that when you're that's hovering over there those are the kind of tents that we were staying in whoa but it's on an ice field there's no there's no insects there's no wildlife the sun doesn't go down and how much food do they have up there as much as you could possibly want they had a full like dining facility it like it's the setup there is unbelievable you can go in and get food anytime you want to they're doing like uh they'll have a presentation every night high-end like national geographic photographer

33:11um all sorts of crazy motherfuckers pass through there like i'm just gonna walk to the south pole and they'll come back in subsequent years and give talks and you know where they went and how they avoided these crevasses which i had no fear of until i went to anartica and got the brief on crevasses which is just you're dead they'll never find you again and the camp is of course surrounded by them. How deep are they? Hundreds of feet deep, depending on the ones that you get into. It's just from the shifting and moving ice. And sometimes people just fall into them? I don't think... Oh, yeah, this is a guy who fell into one skiing. This is making its rounds on the old internet. Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, yeah. I mean, so you can't even see the bottom. He stops himself. This guy self-arrests. Oh, fuck. But can you... I mean, like, who knows how much farther down that... How did he get back out?

33:57He might have self-rescued. Or he could have been- Self-rescued is a terrible fucking phrase. Yeah, but it's also actually pretty important to know how to do it. At all times, whatever it is that you are actually doing in your life. Do those guys ski like that with an ice pick? I don't think they ski with an ice pick, but I think, and I don't do this type of skiing, but the bottoms of their poles are sharp as well. So depending on what they need to climb out of, they might have crampons in their backpack. I'm assuming that the person had a full backcountry kit with them. Oh my God. Now, what do you do? Do you leave the skis behind? Do you drop them and try to save your ass or do you try to come up with the skis because if you know the skis you're kind of fucked? Well, if they're smart, they're gonna have a GPS communicator of some kind like in the modern era

34:38If you go out into the backcountry of any kind and don't have the ability to communicate you're fucking idiot Like the barriers to entry is a couple hundred bucks and you can you can talk to people Maybe only text but you could hit a button and legitimately people will come get you I would say it depends on the situation that you're in I think priority should be self-rescue if you can yeah Yeah, he was able to get out using ice cleats and a piece of rope from his friends. So he was smartly not out there by himself, so they probably saw him go in. Jesus. He could have been done. Oh, 100%. Yeah. Yeah. Or if he hadn't self-arrested and had gone down hundreds of more feet. Broken his legs. Oh, yeah. Broken his neck, died like that. Instead, he lives another day. Hard pass. I'm reasonable, Joe. I bet he gets right back on the skis.

35:20So there's none of that going on in Antarctica, but we got this brief on, hey, we're getting ready to jump and just so you know like here's the landing area and everywhere else is crevasses I'm like oh okay so we should probably land in the landing area but it was crazy they had aircraft and how do they know that a new crevasse isn't going to open up on the ice runway on the blue ice when they land the aircraft I'm assuming they do surveys oh look as they flattened it out yep that's legitimately it every time it says Yeah. Every 22 hours? Yeah. Oh, it involves 22 hours of grooming. Also, they're just constantly doing it. And they shut the camp down every year. So I just had lunch, or I'm sorry, a dinner with Mike and his son Tim in Salt Lake a few weeks ago. And then they're getting ready to head back out there, I think, in January. And they'll stay out for the season.

36:08That's probably the aircraft that we jumped out of. So why do they shut it down every year? The winter is just super gnarly, and it's the dark season. So instead of the sun never really coming, or never really going down, the sun never really goes up. So it's shitty to have people out there. so that's white desert that's a different place but that's uh i believe that's um on the other side of antarctica but similar concept the people that are there all the time they must be weird i think it's a special kind of person that wants to make that their occupation yeah for sure but the jump there was wild i mean i was wearing incredible i had a duffel bag i'm not joking you the size of this fucking table because i had never jumped in antarctica so i'm googling like what's your normal temperature i had done that wingsuit jump up in davis where it was very cold

36:54at exit but 100 degrees on the ground because it was northern california in the summertime so i took this duffel bag and i on our first jump i put on just about everything in that bag and i think i might have been the closest to a heat casualty that i've ever been in my fucking life really because we were in a twin otter which is a normal skydiving plane and they had the door open the whole time. They actually took the door off. But we were kind of up forward. There wasn't a lot of wind coming in. I'm talking like electronic gloves, several layers, profusely sweating underneath all the shit that I'm wearing. Oh, that's horrible. It was horrible because for those of you out there who don't know what happens to liquid when you jump out into a freezing environment, so you're sweating your ass off jumping out into, it was probably in the negative 30s or 40s, free fall, parachute, open

37:41up and you're just like ripping off clothing in Antarctica. It was hilarious. We all overdressed for the first one and I think most people were wearing one or two layers for the second jump that we did So when you got to the bottom how cold is it? 10 degrees oh, okay, but sunny like I was wearing a pair of Essentially snowboarding pants and a long sleeve t-shirt not because I needed the oh yeah This is actually a video that I made of the camp so for under layers are you using synthetics? Are you using merino like what because it's very dangerous when you sweat like that and then get cold right? And that's the thing, like underneath that jacket is a t-shirt. And I'm wearing the long sleeve because I didn't want exposure to the sun. And that's like wrapping your face too. Like the sun down there will absolutely nuke you. Really? Yeah.

38:25It's just, it's so, and this is probably like, I don't know, this could be fucking three in the morning. The sun just never goes down. Why is it so powerful up there? I think it might be, I mean, I'm not an expert on this by any stretch, but I think it might be the angle that it's coming in at. But yeah, it's by the end, it was wild. And so we went from there to Chile, Chile to Miami, Miami to Barcelona, Barcelona to Cairo, Cairo to UAE, UAE to Australia. Jumping each of the locations, six and a half days. Wow. It's pretty gnarly, man. That's insane. Persistent, extreme, ultraviolet irradiance in Antarctica despite the ozone recovery onset. Oh, so it's an ozone issue. Well, I believe that's what it was, but they found that it's coming back. but it might just be so bright and so much like snow and ice to reflect off of. You're getting bombarded with like, you know, mirrors around you.

39:13It says attributable to the Montreal Protocol, the most successful environmental treaty ever, human-made ozone depleting substances are declining and the stratospheric Antarctica ozone layer is recovering. However, the Antarctic ozone hole continues to occur every year. With the severity of ozone loss strongly modulated by meteorological conditions in late November and in early December 2020, We measured at the northern tip of Antarctic Peninsula the highest ultraviolet irradiance is recorded in an Arctic continent in more than two decades. Yeah. They recommended all appendages covered, gloves at all times, and sunscreen on your face. Wow. Yeah. When I went to Australia the first time, they used to have these ads everywhere about skin cancer. Ads are everywhere about skin cancer. Because I think Australia had an issue with the hole in the ozone layer as well.

40:03I think it was the same hole that just extended out. That was all from hairspray from chicks in the 80s. That's like poison. That's a lot of hairspray. I think it might have been more things. No, no, no. It's hairspray. That's what I heard. Oh, my God. Look at the size of that hole. Holy shit. That's the hole in the ozone? I don't know when this picture was taken, but that's directly over in Antarctica. Bro, we could have cooked the whole earth with hairspray. Look at it. It's still pretty big. That's a big-ass hole as recently as 2019. Yeah. It doesn't look like it's getting any better. Just moving around a little bit. You've seen the old Star Wars, right? Yeah. Like when he's on Hoth? Yeah. That's Antarctica. Oh, right. The desert. Yeah. It was just white as far as I could see, but literally not a single insect. Of course. No wildlife.

40:51So we went and checked out some glaciers, did some hikes, and just kind of waited for the weather for jumping. Then they never had any wildlife up there ever? There is plenty of wildlife, but from my understanding, it is at the extreme outer edges. Where the water is. Correct. Yeah, that makes sense. And the cruise ships will kind of come through there for all, because I think there's millions upon millions of penguins, but there's no food source in the interior. Oh, right. So they have to dive in the water and get fish. Have you ever seen leopard seals? Online, yes. They're my favorite animal. Why? Because they're fucking awesome. Like of all animals? No. They're my favorite animal in the water. I'm just talking crazy. They're one of my favorite animals. I'll say that. That's a fact. It's like, you're my best friend. Really? Like that motherfucker? Oh, fuck. They're just seal killers. Or penguin killers, rather.

41:38They don't even look like a real thing. They look like a character in a movie. That looks like a dinosaur's mouth. I know. It's a giant wolf mouth attached to a beautiful seal. And so they're a seal that's evolved to be extremely predatory. They killed a researcher a few years back. Yeah, it doesn't surprise me. All people need to know about the ocean, and all they need to remember is that everything in it is there to fuck you up. It's monster soup. Yeah. Everything in there, like the jungle, is designed to either sting you, bite you, poison you, or in combination. Yes. And they are eating each other at a staggering rate because that's all they do. And if you go into their world, they're going to fuck you up. Did you see the video of the kayaker in Hawaii that got attacked by the leopard shark? That's why I don't kayak. Odds of not having that happen when you don't kayak? Fucking zero. Fucking zero. Yeah.

42:28the tiger shark one freaks me out, man, because that thing was just, that wasn't a mistake. There's people, I used to live in San Diego, there are people who would stand up paddleboard out to Catalina and have those experiences. Like, no. Fuck you and your experience. No. There's so many sharks out there. Yeah, if you do that and you get eaten, I'm not going to say, like, you should have known better. Oh. Oh, that's the people that got swallowed by the whale. Yeah, the whale swallowed the kayak, and they were inside it for a couple seconds. And then the whale's like, what is this? That's not fish. Oh my God. I have not ever seen that video. I think he's probably annoyed with that. Stand up paddle board is like, I probably should, I need to get down a little, get my base a little bit better. So imagine. No, no, I cannot imagine. Imagine seeing that happen. You're out there like a moron on a paddle board.

43:11He's like, oh Jesus. Oh Jesus. I'm getting ready to be eaten now. They're turning on us. They're tired of us whaling. Imagine if whales just all of a sudden start fucking people up. Have you not seen the stories coming out of the killer whales that are teaching each other? How to sink boats. Yeah, because they think one had a traumatic experience with boats when it was younger, so it's passing on this beta of, hey, maybe you should fuck these boats up. Yeah. Don't go in the water. Small insight from a maybe orca expert, Shadow Chosinko. Maybe orca expert. He's a very big orca fan, I know, but he said they're teaching. They're using the boats to teach. I'm trying to find the note where he was saying it. Yeah, teach how to sink boats. No, to teach how to hunt is what he was saying. They're using the boats to teach them how to hunt. They just happen to be in the area. Oh, wow. I can't find the tweet.

43:56He might have responded to someone. I definitely saw him say that. Well, that kind of makes sense. It's an interesting insight if that's what's happening. They're probably also annoyed with people. Let's see if he said something. Why is it on Chad Ochocinco? He's the one who, he talks about Orcas all the time. No shit. On top of eating McDonald's a lot. Were you talking about the football player? Yeah. Or ex-football player? Yes. I mean, this might have been a couple days ago. He tweets a lot, too. He's a funny character. He said he saved all his money flying Spirit Airlines and wearing fake jewelry. Why not? Why not? The first two years he played, he lived in the stadium. Good for him, man. Very close friend of mine. Played pro ball for 10 years. He actually lives near Austin. His name's John Wellborn. And some of the stories he has about watching people come into ungodly wealth. Oh, yeah.

44:40And then what they chose to do with that ungodly wealth that, of course, terminated into not having anything are shocking. Well, it's not that shocking to me. It's like you're poor your whole life. You're waiting for the moment where you become a baller. You become a baller. You're also young and impulsive. You're wild. You're playing football professionally. You're probably getting dinged up all the time. So you're always in this sort of semi-compromised state of chaos. And then on top of that, all the teammates you have are driving Rolls Royces and wearing diamonds. And I want a fucking diamond. I want a Rolls Royce. Some of them are. And then there's people like John who would go to the Goodwill and get like a jacket with the felt pads and rent a Ford Taurus for a year from Hertz. Good for him. It's like, where are the Rolls Royces?

45:22models for those other people who it's like yeah i get it i don't come from that world and i and i don't understand what that would be like but i almost feel like the nfl or any organization like that should be responsible to provide at least guidance and knowledge when it comes to finances you're talking to the wrong guy because i would be balling i'm telling you if i was in the nfl i would be right there with him i'd be balling out of control i think you'd be smart enough i'd be driving a ferrari you'd have a baller account and then you'd have like this is for a rainy day You're talking to the wrong dude. Just false end? I don't have any safety nets. I'm not a safety net type of guy. Ever? No, I'm a keep going guy. What'd you do when you first started becoming famous and started coming into money? What's like the first craziest purchase you had? Cars. I always wanted cars. It was always cars.

46:09Cars are my favorite by far. That's what John- Muscle cars. He talks about the day he became a millionaire when they slide a check across the table. He immediately left and bought a Porsche. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. I got a Super Turbo. That was my first cool car. Toyota Super Turbo in like 1995 or 2006, I think it was. It was awesome. I was happy. Would you zero it out? Like you'd come into money and be like, fuck yeah. Fuck that money. Let's just put it back. Yeah, put it back to work. My manager thought I had a gambling problem when I first started making money. Put it to work by investing in cars? By having fun. Okay. That's a different story. Yeah, it's fun coupons. Okay. I agree with you on that, too. Especially, you know, I was in my 20s and didn't have any real responsibilities other

46:50than feeding myself. I had health care. So like, let's go. Your mindset still cannot be that way though. No, right now it's not. No, no. Well now I have responsibilities and I have children and I have employees. I have a lot of stuff going on. I have a lot of people that I have to support and take care of. And so, and it's not, it's cool. I like it. It's good. But I kind of still operate the same way. I just keep the foot to the gas. Let's go. I want to have fun. What's your theory on passing on wealth to your family? I think a little bit's good. A lot is bad for them. I think it fucks them up. Succession? You ever watch Succession? No. I just finished it. Did you finish it, Jamie? It's fucking good. Goddamn, that's a good show. Woo, and the way they ended it, whoever wrote that, bravo to you. Is it about what we're talking about? It's about rich people and their family takes over.

47:40The dad is the matriarch. He's essentially like he owns this Fox News type organization. And the kids are all fucked up because they grew up billionaires. They grew up, you know, insanely wealthy. And they just, it's just nuts. It's a very interesting show. Very difficult subject to tackle the way they did and make people relatable. But they really did it. It's great. It's just like they're all fucking crazy. It's just if you, like, I played the lottery a couple times when I was young. Thank God I didn't win it. Thank God I didn't win it. Thank God. Like, people don't know. Like, you shouldn't get a lot of money when you're young. And you shouldn't get money easy. It's like you want to be working. Work is work and reward. You want reward for your work. But I'm a person that when I get reward for my work, I like to be generous. I like to spread it around. But I also like to have fun.

48:30And I feel like you're not around for very long. Life does not – I'm 55 years old. If I'm halfway there, it's amazing. That means I did something incredible. I bypassed I passed rather the life expectancies of the vast majority of the human race. So what am I supposed to do? Am I supposed to not do the things that I really love to do and I enjoy? Like what? It's like why would I hang out with someone I don't like? There's so many people I like. There's like so many great people that I could just have conversations with and chill. Why would I hang out with someone I don't like? I don't want any of that in my life. I want fun. I like fun. It's an interesting balance. I mean, essentially, people are trading their time for money. Yeah. Time that they could have been doing other things that they wanted to do.

49:15But I remember, I think, yeah, I turned 46 this year, so you got 10 more laps around the sun on me. Look at you, sweetie. You look like you're 30 years old. That's... Imagine all the stress that you've been through and you look so good. You got some good genes, son. I think it's because I don't pay attention sometimes. I think that helps. I think that helps. It's, you know... I really do think that helps. Yeah. I try to not take too many things too seriously. Don't get me wrong. I can get stressed out like a motherfucker. But I remember being younger and I thought that getting money, like I need X amount. I don't remember what that dollar amount was when I was young. It was probably $1,000. But it was about getting money. Now I look at it. My dad's getting ready to move to Montana. He just sold his house in Santa Cruz. They're starting that process.

50:00And we've had conversations about money and what he made on the house, what he's going to do with it. And my theory in talking with him is if I were you, I would try to arrive at the end. Broke. That last check for five bucks. Yeah. Bounce that fucker. Yeah. Like, why not? I mean, what at some point in your life, if you can't flip the perspective and go, hey, I have spent so much of my time working for other people, likely, because very few people work for this for themselves comparatively. if I if I like what's the point of this treasure chest if you can't go and at least do something that you want to do yeah for sure that's what you should be doing with your life if you can and you really should avoid working for other people if you can it's easier said than done very yeah especially when you're young yeah very hard very hard but it's also people it's all the

50:49steps you take right because most of the steps that people take especially when you get a conventional education and then you get some sort of a master's degree or a doctorate like man that's a lot of invested time and there's opportunities that are available for people with those degrees and it's a general course that you've been on you're on a path and if you're on that path it's very difficult to work by yourself work for yourself well you're also leaving out the immense amount of debt that most people accrue at a really young age in their life associated with those paths yeah you can't get out of it I thought it's the most evil shit ever. A couple of friends who are lawyers. Actually, to this day, I'm yet to speak to a lawyer and I'm sure that they're out there, but resoundingly the same thing they say to me

51:30is if I didn't owe so much money in student loans, I would do something different. Yeah. They don't, they don't enjoy it. Yeah. There's a lot of people like that. Yeah. A lot of people like that that live their life in that way and it sucks and it's, you know, but yeah, it's very difficult to not live like that, but it is possible. And it, but it's about the path that you take if you continue on the path of working for other people and wish that you worked for yourself nothing is going to change but you can escape yeah can be done people have done it many people have left the corporate world and started businesses and started doing things for themselves they love doing whether it's a hobby whether it's knife making whatever the fuck it is yeah a lot of people have done it it's just not easy to do but it is in this day and age easier than any other

52:11time because the internet because you could post cool shit on the internet and then people share it and then people contact you and the next thing you know, you've got a thriving business. It does happen now more than it's ever happened before. There's a path to do it if you create things. But, you know, it's certainly easier said than done. And again, the path that most kids get put on from primary school, from high school, from college, most of that path is in entering the workforce, entering business, entering some occupation. And generally, you're working for someone when you do that. I think the, I did not have zero seconds of education past high school for clarity and barely met the bar to graduate high school. So everybody can take what I think about education with a fucking grain of salt. But the predatory lending around education to me,

53:01I think should be completely revamped and illegal. I just, I think it saddles young people with a debt where it limits their options so deeply that it makes working for yourself unless, unless you're just doing it in the microscopic amount of off time that you have almost impossible. Yeah, it's very hard. And the sick part is that they're taking these young kids and they're doing it in a way that they not only do they have these loans, but if they go bankrupt, they still owe those loans. It's the one thing that no matter what you owe. And why? Why is that? How come you can lose a house and lose a car and lose your money, but you can't go bankrupt and write that off? It doesn't make any sense. Like you can write off credit card debt. You can write off business losses. You can write off all these things. You go bankrupt. And there's a penalty for bankruptcy. Your credit sucks. You're fucked.

53:52Very difficult to get a loan. Very difficult for people to trust you again. You have to earn that trust back. And even then, it's always going to be a stain in your record. But you can do it. People have done it. And a lot of people have done it. A lot of people have filed for bankruptcy. Big famous people have filed for bankruptcy. Like presidents. Yeah, those guys. Chapter 11s. They've gotten out of debt, but you can if you own student loans if you owe rather student loans you're fucked I wonder why that is. I'm sure there's a Justification for it. They love you and they want you to be responsible Probably not the terms I would use that's what it is. It's love. It's all love The United States just wants better people all around and they know that if they pay for everything you're just gonna be a fuck off and

54:38smoke method. So you were saying that, but before we started, you were talking about how you think that society is as close as it's ever gone to just circling the bowl. Yeah. We were talking outside. I think, I think we're as close as I've ever experienced to a complete societal collapse. And I don't think that people recognize how close we are because if the whole country goes the way San Francisco and Portland have gone, we're fucked. Like if, if it's just madness all through, My friend John Joseph sent me some a message rather that he was in New York City and he said the amount of migrants that have made their way to New York City It's fucking insane. He said they're everywhere and he said the mayor is asking people to house them in their homes Like open your door and just yes. Yes. Well, why don't you house them in your homes? Like this is how ridiculous

55:26The left is this is their their their solutions for these problems that they've created First of all, they made New York City a sanctuary state, right? Or a sanctuary city But then I think they rescinded that I think the numbers were overwhelming See if that's true But let's just Google the first one Sorry, Jimmy Eric Adams asked people to take migrants into their own homes New York City Mayor Adams unveils plans to house migrants in houses of worship Private homes are next step, he says New York City will now begin housing migrants and houses of worship. Its latest attempt to manage the more than 72,000 people who flowed into the city since last spring. 72,000 migrants. And most of them illegal, right? Standing in City Hall Rotunda flanked by dozens of religious leaders, Mayor Adams announced the creation of his faith-based shelter programs Monday

56:24and hinted that his next step would be enlisting private residences to house Migrants private residents to house migrants in their homes what in the fuck? This is an opportunity built on crisis. He says like what? Okay, we don't need to read that I fucking hate but look at that. This is an opportunity built on crisis No, no, this is a disaster. The faith-based community has never been off our radar They have always been part of everything we do here, especially when we need them to house people Holy cow. Yeah, it's nuts. They're fucked. So John Joseph said He sent me this this text message. He's like dude. It's getting wild down there. It's really crazy There's so many of them. He said they're everywhere because it's nuts. It's like they've essentially let Anybody in like there's zero background check like what it would what how much they know about people?

57:19I know they've busted a few terrorists trying to make their way through, but how many do they miss? How good is that net? I don't think it's as good as most people would think. I don't want to give anybody ideas, but I don't think it would be that difficult if you were truly motivated and put a little bit of thought into it to figure out a way to bypass border security. Yeah. But then there's also the, like, you know, San Bernardino is a good example. People can get radicalized just through information. You don't even have to actually cross a border to have access to the information or ideology. You become radicalized by it. So there's the issue not only of people wanting to do harm to the country coming in, but that's the con, I guess, it would be of unfettered information to whatever type of information you may be searching for. What do you mean by that?

58:08There was a shooting, a husband and wife pair in San Bernardino. They went into – I had one of the responding officers on the podcast who actually ended up killing, I think it was the husband or the wife. But they went into a – I think it was a holiday-related party and just started going to town. They had never left the country. They were radicalized on the internet. Jesus. Radicalized for what? In this particular instance, I believe it was radical Islam. So they were American citizens who were radicalized and who did they attack? other American citizens in what what what was the what location where were they it was a same are you able to find it Jamie was it like a town was it what did they go it was this it was a no it wasn't a mall it was a the word is escaping me right now but like a city center where there was an event attempted

59:04shooting and attempted bombing occurred at the inland regional center in San Bernardino. Yep. Oh, this was a while ago. This was yours. Okay, I remember this. There was a dispute where Apple did not want to give them access to the phones. Correct. Yes, that's right. I don't think Apple could give them access to the phones. I think they asked Apple to help crack the phone and Apple said no. Why didn't they just ask the CIA? They're like, we've got that. I don't know if they... They don't want to admit it. They're like, Like, look at all the text messages. We've got all the memes. Look at these funny ones they send. I don't want to let anybody down, but I don't know if the CIA is as capable as some people think that it is. Let's just say Jason Bourne is not running around out there.

59:48Well, I don't think Jason Bourne is running around out there, but I do think they have surveillance abilities far beyond what we can imagine. 100%. Yeah. And I think for anything that they may bounce up constitutionally, whether they choose to respect the Constitution or not, if they choose to respect the Constitution, all they do is they outsource it to one of the allies who can then inwardly look and it achieves the same thing. Yeah. Someone contacted – someone from the intelligence community contacted Tucker Carlson, said that they knew that he was having Putin on because they had read his signal messages. he's like you read my signal message i didn't even know you could do that oh yeah right they're encrypted and everybody's like oh it's encrypted just tell the murder story here yeah totally hey where's the body where's the

60:35jimmy hoffa where'd you where'd you what the port or the coke coming in anything that occurs on an electronic device that transmits in my it from my understanding and this is looking back into how we used to fine people in the early 2000s. Whether or not somebody in real time is actually accessing that, I don't think because of the volume, but it is collected somewhere and can, in the rearview mirror, be looked at. Yeah, I mean, that was the whole thing that Snowden exposed. And that's why they were building these massive data centers, the NSA was. Or it still is. I mean, there's so much going on that we just don't know. That's why it's so weird. Well, that's why it's so weird when this UFO disclosure thing comes out. this guy didn't it just come out today a whistleblower? this gentleman David Grush and David Grush let's find out who he is and what his credentials were but he essentially said that

61:35they are illegally hiding it from Congress and they are illegally hiding it from the American people but they have off world craft in possession who's the they in that? It's somewhere. Well, it's in the things they're saying is here. Let's read it. Air Force veteran has made a bombshell claim that U.S. government has recovered materials that could be proof of UFOs, including an intact craft of non-human origin. But they are keeping it a secret from the public. David Charles Grush, a veteran and former member of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency and National Reconnaissance Office, has blown the whistle on this information, speaking with several news outlets about the crafts. These are retrieving non-human origin technical vehicles. Call it a spacecraft, if you will. Non-human exotic origin vehicles that have either landed or crashed, Mr. Grush told News Nation.

62:25Mr. Grush served as the senior technical advisor for the Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon Analysis with top secret secret compartment and information clearance, according to the debrief. He also served as a senior intelligence officer in the National Reconnaissance Office. In total, he has 14 years of experience serving as an intelligence officer. So here's the question. Is that a PSYOP? Is this we've got a non-human craft a PSYOP? Like if I was the government and I was working on some shit and I didn't want China or Russia to know about it. And we could do some wild shit, some anti-gravity shit. I thought it was totally nuts. And I thought at first I was being deceived, but it was a ruse, Mr. Grush told News Nation. People started to confide in me, approach me.

63:15I have plenty of senior former intelligence officers that came to me, many of which I knew almost my whole career, that confided in me that they were part of a program. He told the debrief that he's prepared many briefs on UFOs for Congress, but last year decided to provide hours of classified information and data about the Materials Recovery Program. Mr. Grush claims the materials recovery program was shielded from proper congressional oversight So this is what Bob Lazar has been saying forever This guy's saying that it was going on for 80 years So like this brings us back to the 1940s I mean this is like this is means like Roswell This is what they were talking about when all the people that were at Roswell That were at the actual crash site and the actual claim they saw bodies

64:03And then there was two different aircrafts that were flown in to roswell new mexico and took the wreckage and flew it in two different Aircrafts in case one of them crashed Supposedly and they flew them to right patterson air force base. This has all been documented now That was a balloon. It was just a balloon Why would they go through such lengths and why there's so many people that have so many stories about roswell? Why there's so many? hokey goofy fucking explanations of what happened including it was a parachute and there was there was human dummies like crash test dummies that were evolved there were crash testing things like not not according to the people that were there what they saw was materials that could not be explained insanely light you would crumple it and it would immediately flex back to the the stage

64:50that was out there they found things that had some sort of writing that resembled hieroglyphs they don't I mean these people they could have all been full of shit it could have been just some story something happened and everybody told everybody and you're playing a game of telephone and the next thing you know it's this wild story of bodies and little tiny caskets and the you know and people being silenced and but the problem is the story is very universal when they're all telling a story it's real similar man it's a real and the guy who was who was a part of the initial release, he went public afterwards and said, that's stuff that we showed the American public when they were sitting there. I forget the gentleman's name, but he was showing like a piece of a weather balloon and they had this smile on their face. And this is one day after

65:36the, I think it was the Roswell Daily Record. They had the front page of the newspaper that the government has recovered a crashed UFO. I mean, I don't know how big the universe is. I've heard it's hard to quantify in size. Yeah, that's it right there. I mean, what do you think the odds are in all of the universe that we are alone? It's not good. If it is, it's wild. If it's just us, it's wow. What a weird fucking aberration. Let's assume it's not us. So for a species, I mean, we can look at where we are at. We can make it to kind of the moon before we start fucking up. Maybe Elon can get us to Mars. Maybe not. But so let's assume that a species that was able to come and check us out is probably more advanced, probably more intelligent. I think they would run for the fucking hills. Why? Because we are idiots.

66:33And I think anybody who viewed humanity from a long enough, more objective lens would say maybe we can just leave this trash planet alone for a little bit and we'll come back after either they have killed themselves again and regrown into something. better or when they come and visit us? I don't think so. I think we're normal. I think this is what normally happens when territorial apes start to develop advanced powers. And when territorial apes start to figure out things like nuclear power and then nuclear bombs, when they start figuring out antimatter, when they start figuring out just some of the wild shit these motherfuckers are working on, and that's us. And we're crazy and we're full of shit. I mean, if they just looked at our president and our vice president. This is the commander-in-chief and second-in-charge of the greatest army the world has ever known. The greatest

67:23country that's ever existed, that's filled with technology and innovation and art and creativity and it's run by these fucking buffoons? This is real? This is really what they chose? This is really how the system works? When you look at Congress, how many of them are engaged in insider trading, how they don't want to make it illegal? Hypothetically, Joe. Hypothetically, they do better than the best investors in the world. Probably pure luck that they're all in the same group. Nancy Pelosi is probably just a wizard. She's just really good at numbers. She might be a wizard, but I don't think it's in stock. The whole thing is crazy. I think we're a fascinating organism. We're a fascinating, dominant creature on a planet. I think we're fascinating to us. I think a highly advanced species, seeing a planet of evolved apes with nuclear abilities would say, Scotty, warp level 15 in

68:17the opposite direction. Maybe they're here to protect us from our own demise. Maybe they're here because they know that there is a possibility when these territorial apes with nuclear arms get into these situations, like when Russia and Ukraine, and they have the ability to nuke the planet many times over, that they're here just to monitor and make sure that shit doesn't get too loopy and if you were an intelligence officer like this guy and you had access to this information and it's not just him it's guys like Ryan Graves it's guys like commander David Fravor guys who were legit military men who have impeccable reputations who tell these fantastic stories that are backed by data it's backed by these vehicles that have been tracked going at insane rates of speed these vehicles that display no method of visual propulsion that we

69:08Understand that can do things that we have no idea how the fuck they're doing it things that are like hovering perfectly still at 120 knots And then jet off at insane rates of speed and they're you know when when Ryan Graves is on what he explained is that I believe it was around 2014 they upgraded all of their sensors and all of their capabilities on their jets and immediately start seeing these things They they start seeing these things and they think these things had always been there They just didn't have the ability to recognize them makes sense And he said they're moving in a way that cannot be explained by anything that we know currently. I think it's improbable that we're out here by ourselves. I think we'd be watched just like, have you seen Chimp Nation? No, I saw you post about it the other day. Fucking awesome. Fucking awesome. But they're watching these chimps.

69:53They're watching them create chaos. They're watching them fight over food. They're watching them control territory. It's what we do. We watch intelligent species because a chimp is an intelligent species compared to most animals. They do things that are far more interesting. They act in packs. They have social hierarchy systems. They communicate with each other They they have the very complex social structure just like us just like us We're just a more advanced version of that and if they're a more advanced version of us I would imagine they would watch us the way we watch those chimps. They don't interfere They make their presence known. They're always there, but they don't do anything So they allow these chimps to behave just like chimps

70:31And if I was an alien and I wanted to study human beings, I would do that. I would just make my presence known occasionally, watch from afar. And as their ability to understand what's out there increases in humans, then they're going to become more aware of these things that have always been there. and then they'll have to start talking about it and if they really have recovered something like um there's a moment of contact documentary about varginia brazil in 1996 and the whole town experienced this these ufo sightings and this crash there was like a crazy thunder lightning storm and one of them crashed and they recovered bodies and one of the soldiers that carried these bodies he died of this horrific bacterial infection that they could not fix he didn't know what it was He was a young, healthy guy, and right after he contacted this thing, he carried this thing.

71:23They put it in the back of a car and drove it to several different hospitals. They did an autopsy on this thing. There's doctors that were there. Everyone's terrified to talk about. The Air Force flew in, and they flew in to Virginia and recovered whatever the fuck it was and took it with them. So the United States Air Force did. So what was that about? Is that real? Do they really have these things? Do they have multiple ones? This is Bob Lazar was saying this in the 1980s. He was saying that they hired him to back engineer something that they had recovered. And he also said that one of the things they recovered was from an archaeological dig. They said it was really old. And they said that to Bob Lazar, and this is also something that Grush had said, that he had been told that one of those things had been recovered from an archaeological dig.

72:13Well, thanks for making it impossible for me to sleep for a few days. I think it's real. Fuck. I think it's real. I think it's improbable that we're alone. Yeah. It's very unlikely. And I think it's improbable that if we are not alone, that no one would be interested in us. I think we're fucking fascinating. We're the weirdest thing that exists in our known universe. We're so weird. You know, we engage in deception and fraud and some of it's legal and some of it's not. and murder and and and war and chaos and theft and our economy is built on a fucking shell game I think they'd be fascinated be like look at what happens when these fucking weirdos have power and influence but then as the age of information starts to emerge and technology starts to reach this point where you can't hide things anymore like you used to be able to

73:06You can't just silence people like he used to be able to then all this stuff like this guy People start coming forward and they start saying hey, this is crazy. This is illegal. This is anti-american You should be telling people what the fuck is going on here and he's saying that they're in cahoots with these big military contractors They're in cahoots with like these companies that build technology For the military and that they're all trying to work on this stuff and that there's a race going on between us and the other superpowers that we're not the only ones and have recovered these things which is Fucking crazy because that means they're hiding this from presidents. They're hiding it from Congress. They're hiding so Who Who makes that call like if there really was if if Bob Lazar is telling the truth

73:55And if this gentleman is telling the truth, you should see him talk about it to David Grush fella when he gets interviewed. See if you can find the interview. It's pretty short. They were referencing in that. Yes, that guy. And he's the guy's like he's ended his career to come out and talk about this stuff because he's like, like, this is nuts. Like this is and if you're a real patriot, that's probably the thing you do. And apparently, according to Sager, he was talking about breaking points. The New York Times rejected this. The Washington Post rejected this. They didn't want to talk about it. This is the gentleman. So let's play this. These are retrieving non-human origin technical vehicles. Call it spacecraft, if you will. It's probably not the right parlance, but no kidding. Non-human, exotic origin vehicles that have either landed or crashed. We have spacecraft from another species.

74:48We do, yeah. How many? Quite a number. That's it? Where's the whole interview? Probably that website. See if you can find, is that something you have to sign up for? What is it? News Nation. News Nation. Meanwhile, that might be a 100% government-controlled organization that just promotes propaganda and that guy's working for them. You've got to think about all these things. I know. News Nation. Who are these folks? Oh! Interesting. He's their fucking centerpiece. Look at that. Yes, he is. He looks a little tanner than usual. Can we save ourselves from ourselves, Joe, to go back to the humanity sliding towards the brink? It's possible. Here's the 10-minute interview. Okay, let's hear it. Just play it. Let's just see what's up. ... military program that has reportedly found wreckage of fully intact, unoblusive inner system. Okay. On the UFO question.

75:46What conclusion did you come to at the end of your time on the UAP task force? The UAP task force was refused access to a broad crash retrieval program. When you say crash retrieval, what do you mean? These are retrieving non-human origin technical vehicles, you know, call it spacecraft if you will. Non-human, exotic origin vehicles that have either landed or crashed. We have spacecraft from another species. We do, yeah. How many? Quite a number. You're kidding. No. I thought it was totally nuts, and I thought at first I was being deceived. It was a ruse. People started confiding in me. They approached me. I have plenty of current former senior intelligence officers that came to me, many of which I knew almost my whole career, that confided in me they were a part of a program. They named the program. I've never heard of it.

76:43And they told me, based on their oral testimony, and they provided me documents and other proof, that there was in fact a program that the UAP task force was not read into. Grush alleges the U.S. government... Hmm. Does it keep going? What else is it, sir? The entire American public has been lied to for decades. Yeah, there's a sophisticated disinformation campaign targeting the U.S. populace, which is extremely unethical and immoral. You are saying to the human race, for the first time, an official intelligence representative at a high level from the U.S. government is saying publicly, we are not alone. We're definitely not alone. Absolutely, the data points empirically that we're not alone, yeah. Do we have bodies? Do we have species? Well, naturally, when you recover something that's either landed or crashed, sometimes you encounter dead pilots.

77:48And believe it or not, as fantastical as that sounds, it's true. It's also harder for people to wrap their minds around the concept. I don't know, man. He might be full of shit. Well, I'm fascinated. He might be a governing agent. Well, to unpack that a little bit, you know, so there are, I can only speak to it from a military perspective. So he was in the Air Force, there are programs, they're covered programs, or there are programs that you're not going to get read into. And just because you're read into one program doesn't mean you're going to get read into other ones. So his clearance, TSSCI, is not an uncommon one. It's the same clearance that I held that I was in. Having a clearance, there's two things, right? You have to have the clearance and then you have to have the need to know.

78:33So you could view him saying we were not read into another program as something that would be conspiratorial, or you could view it as like one program didn't necessarily have something to do with the other one, so there's no need to actually read them in. I'm not saying that's the case, but I'm fascinated to understand. It sounds like what he is saying is that the United States military is nesting that program, the program to go recover. And I would be fascinated to know how they are doing that invisibly. I mean, we're talking aircraft. We're talking identification early on, aircraft, moving teams, and this, you know what I mean? Like, there's a lot of shit. Right. I'm not saying it's impossible. I have- But there are people that are coming forward. So it's not like they're totally being quiet, which is sort of in line with human nature. They're coming forward with a piece.

79:16They're coming forward with a piece of a pie. I'd be fascinated how all the pieces of the pie fed together. I'm not saying what he's saying isn't true, but watching that actually, for me, with my limited understanding of some of the stuff he was talking about, I have more questions. Interesting. That I would want to ask him. Yeah, I would want to ask him too. We've got to get him. We've got to get him on here. I bet he would come on here. I'm just kind of going fucking news, whatever the hell it is. I feel like, though, he went on a tour at something. Oh, why didn't he contact us? I think you might get more circular answers. Maybe he did. He probably asked him any fucking questions. You might get more. Maybe. I asked too many questions. Maybe the word I'd get him high. You ask good questions, though. Is he still in? It might not even matter.

79:56I don't even know if they probably allow weed in the current military. You might get more circular answers than specific ones. If you look at the answers that he was giving, and again, I'm not trying to discount what he's saying. And I personally, like I have said many times, I think it's improbable that we're alone. He was speaking in generalities and not specifics. He was talking about other people's experiences, less his own. Yes, that's a good point. And that's what my question would be. What have you seen? Yeah. What have you seen physically with your own eyes? Yeah. What have you touched? What do you know for a fact? And again, I'm not saying he hasn't had those experiences, but I would ask those same questions as well.

80:31And it's just from my understanding of how the military will compartmentalize, as all organizations who actually want to keep information or at least delay the release of information, compartmentalization is not a novel concept. Well, that's what Bob Lazar said was the problem with the back engineering program. He said that science can't exist like that in a vacuum. And the propulsion experts were not allowed to talk to the metallurgists. the metallurgy experts were not allowed to talk to the biology experts. He said if they really did have physical bodies, the people that were working on the propulsion system had no knowledge of that, weren't allowed to talk about it. But there was all chatter. Everyone would talk about things. And apparently there was some sort of a debriefing they gave them. And in that debriefing, he said it was so nuts.

81:18He said, first of all, they said they've been coming here forever, and they also said that we're a product of accelerated evolution. which is wild as fuck yeah that human beings in general that why we are so different from all the other primates i mean that's always been the fucking conspiracy theory folklore that's the fun one you know is that they came down that's the anunnaki that came down here and messed around with lower primate dna and did something to it to create a human being i'm here for it i'm here for that. Yeah. That would make everything fun. And then I would think that the government would want stuff like this to come out if they're in the middle of like stealing money or doing something really wild. Oh, the classic misdirection. Oh, for sure. Yeah. If you're going to take something that gets rid of a certain amendment, are you going to do something that allows you to infringe

82:09on rights or to impose some new sort of restrictions and bring the aliens out? Yeah. Bring the aliens out. Yeah, I guess. Sometimes I wish people were smarter. Well, some people are. The problem is most people don't have the time. When we're talking earlier about so many people that work all day, and then they also have interests that they're chasing, and they also have families and hobbies and things. How much time do you have about after that to go on a deep dive about what the government's doing about UFOs, or what's really going on in Ukraine, or what's really Bankman Freed of FTX gained access to the most prominent politicians in the world while he was running a Ponzi scheme And how did he become the number two donor to the Democratic Party? And why is that motherfucker out on bail and chilling at his parents house? No big deal. He's just stole billions. What's the problem?

82:59I wish we would all get equal treatment like that. First off, I'm not smart enough to create a system like he did, but you know. Yeah, well there's so many, right? The Galene Maxwell thing. What's going on in that? How come there's no client list? How come no one knows who she sex trafficked to? That's crazy that someone is going to jail, tried and convicted for sex trafficking. But to who? The guy that was maybe responsible for starting the FTX thing, the Binance guy, he just got in trouble and he's being looked into. Look at this. Binance looks like FTX, but worse. The Feds are going after the world's largest crypto exchange. Their allegations are ugly. Oh boy. And isn't this the guy that the FTX went to to try to salvage FTX? Mm-hmm. Okay. And he was like, fuck you. Yeah, this is a... Yeah, what is that expression? Whenever you prepare to enact revenge, dig two graves?

83:52One for yourself and one for your enemy? Yeah. This dude's getting that second grave going. What does it say? What is the government saying about him? I was trying to figure it out. I've seen... I was busy. There's a lot of stuff going on. It's all horseshit. What do you think would change? Say the client list came out for Epstein. What do you think would change? People would be in a lot of trouble. Would they though? Let's say it was politicians. They would demand answers. They would want to find out what's going on. It would destroy reputations. It would destroy careers. They would try to have to find new people to fulfill the roles that those people were in. Yeah, it would be a problem. It would be a giant problem. I unfortunately think it wouldn't change anything. I think those politicians and the system that they've created are so well insulated.

84:35that it might be headlines for a little bit, and then it would go right back to business as usual? It depends. It depends on the climate of the country. And I think the climate of the country over the last three years is an intense distrust for mainstream media and the government. Because so many people lost their businesses, because so many people were lied to, because so many people were forced into taking an experimental medication that may have had horrible adverse side effects for a large number of people. I don't think so. I think this is a very strange time. I think people would get very angry. And I think this is a time where people realize that talking about things actually can change things now. Like, look at something dumb like Bud Light. You know, people are tired of this woke agenda. They're tired of being shoved in their face by corporations.

85:22And boom, Bud Light loses $27 billion by sending a can with a face on it of an attention whore to that attention whore. Yeah. And all of a sudden, everybody's like, hey, enough. Target puts all this pride stuff in their stores and pride kids clothes and people like enough. What are you doing? What are you doing? I think it shows. I think if people were paying attention, though, it shows who is like the outrage culture. It's almost a currency, right? And that's why I think that I don't know if anything would change. Hypothetical world. The Epstein client list comes out, and it's all politicians. Hypothetical world. I don't know. It's Tuesday today. I'm sure there's somebody outraged about something, and they're screaming about it on social media. And tomorrow, there'll be something else. So it's like outrage every single day, and I honestly think it's less effective.

86:17But to go to the Bud Light thing, what's interesting to me, I think if people are paying attention, the loudest people on those platforms, I think it's very easy to fall into this trap of thinking that it's the majority. I think the loudest people on all those platforms are the minority. So what has happened is for that particular brand, for whatever reason they made that decision, what ended up happening is they appeased somebody who was in a very vocal minority. And the very silent majority told them to go fucking pack rocks. Well, not on social media right with their fucking wallet in the real world. Yes, so and they're led by their king kid rock But light sales keep slipping, but it remains America's top-selling beer Wow, but lights still America's top-selling beer how far ahead it was Wow super they're down 27 billion, but they're still number one

87:09Yeah, I mean how expensive is it to bottle urine it can't be that much right? It's like, fuck. That stuff tastes like shit. It's not good. No. Well, it's kind of like the flavor's so mild. It's just nothing. It's boring. Yeah. It's just a mechanism to get you shit-faced on an economic budget. And a slow drip. It's like an IV drip of shit-face. Yeah. You know? But I just think it's fascinating. If you spend your time online, everybody is mad about something. That's true. Or fucking everything. But aren't they mostly mad at their own lives? I think a lot of it starts with that. I think a lot of people, well, how can you know? And again, I don't think social media is the root of all evil. But if you look at what people post, they're not generally posting the valleys, right? They post their peaks. So you're in this never-ending game of, well, look at what this person has in comparison to what I have.

88:01And look what that person's doing in comparison to what I'm doing. It's just this fucking portal to hell. Yeah, it's not good. It's not good also for people that don't have any discipline, which is most people. Most people, and they're just lured into the rocks by this siren song of the internet. Why do you think most people don't have discipline inherently? They didn't develop it. I think you have to develop it early on or make a dedicated quest to develop discipline as an adult because you recognize the value of it. Like a missing role model early on? But it's also, it's just, yeah, it's that. And also they didn't have to do anything that was really difficult when they were young. Where, like, let's say you're a 13-year-old and you join the wrestling team. You probably have no fucking idea that anybody works that hard ever at anything. You have no idea. Yeah.

88:53And then you get home from practice and you're just fucking cooked. Eat the entire contents of a refrigerator. You just empty out your fridge and you're exhausted every night. And you can't believe how, but maybe you get the bug and maybe you decide you want to become a competitive wrestler. And so then you start competing off season, you start going to camps and you start really becoming dedicated to wrestling. And then you develop, I mean, it's not just wrestling, it's any kind of sport or any physical activity where you have to endure those moments where you want to quit, but you force yourself not to. There are so many people out there that just don't have that and that serves you not just with physical endeavors But with everything else in life with business decisions with everything you develop discipline you developed ability to

89:38Work harder than everyone else because you want to succeed you work smarter You're more intense you're more focused and if you can do that you will be rewarded in life Mostly for the most part most of the people that work harder than other people are smarter than other people and put in the work, they get ahead. And it's hard for people that have been working for other people doing the bare minimum because they hate their job and they get home and they just eat and play video games. It's very difficult for them to come up with that discipline because they didn't develop it as a part of their natural personality. It's not who they are. So for a guy like yourself, there was a SEAL, a guy like yourself that got into jujitsu, you've always done difficult things. discipline is a normal facet of life that you know rewards you and it yields great results.

90:28And there's a lot of people out there that never got that lesson. They were never taught it. And if you don't learn it early on or you don't, again, make a concerted effort as an adult to develop that, it's not something that magically comes to you. I would say that's the benefit of interconnectivity and social media. If you are absent that mentor, you can find people that could fit that role. I think you just got to be careful who you put on a pedestal. Yes. Yes. Well, you should get a lot of information from a bunch of different sources for sure. But there's like this. Good. I was going to say you're wearing the perfect shirt for what you're talking about. Jocko's shirt. Jocko's, that video, good, is one of my favorite videos ever. Because first of all, it's so Jocko. And second of all it's real good advice like I use it when I'm working out when I'm really tired and I want to quit

91:20I'm like good. That means you're gonna get stronger good. That means you're exhausted means your endurance is gonna get better good Keep going. Yeah, if you want to quit good don't quit. That's better It's better if you don't quit if you quit you're gonna fucking hate yourself for the next 24 hours Until you work out again, and then you're gonna remember what it felt like to quit now. Don't quit Good now you didn't quit do it again tomorrow sounds like sucks again good Yeah, it is exhausting. I just tell people when shit gets hard, you should consider giving up. I mean, it's like not everything is worth it, you know? That's true about a lot of things. It's true about sucky jobs. For sure. But you have to have an off-ramp. You have to have an alternative before you can even start thinking about that. You also have to live in a place where there's options. Some people are fucked.

92:04You live in a small town, small community. There's nothing there. Can't get out. Don't have any money. Maybe you got a family. No income opportunities. like then luckily there's online and you can make money online and only fans yeah selling pictures your butthole yeah there's money in that is there just you've never been on that website it that shit terrifies me I've been on the website but I've never subscribed to one so I've been on and you don't get anything I mean is it is it a website what I think it is where you can guess it's yeah so it's naked people it varies wildly okay varies wildly like you it's some is just like really pretty fitness girls we were talking about earlier that maybe like show a nipple every now and again. Controversial. A little bit of this, a little bit of that. A little Playboy-esque, right? They're just like showing their butt and looking sexy.

92:48And then there's hardcore pornography where people just fuck. And then there's people that wear masks and they fuck. And there's people that wear, like they blur out their face and they fuck. Yeah, there's feet. There's people that make a lot of money just showing their feet. Come on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, one of the girls who works for Shaw was making a shit ton of money just selling feet. Come on. Yeah. Way more money than she was. She was making it because she was a part of the show, I'm sure. So that got her famous or at least known. As long as it's two consenting adults, I actually don't give a shit what people do. Oh, I don't give a shit. Yeah. Like live your life. Listen, if I was a girl working at Wendy's and I found out that I could show my asshole for $10,000 a month, like let's go. Would you though? 100%. 100%. What are you kidding? Of course I would. It's way better than working at Wendy's.

93:42How do you break that to your kids later in life? You tell them. You didn't have any resources. You had no way out. So you made your butthole your resource? Yeah. Yeah, not ideal. Not ideal. Would have been better if mom was a pop star. Mom can't sing. Didn't have any choices. Had to sell my butthole. Good. I don't know if it's necessarily your butthole. It is in some cases. But I think it's this, you know, you're objectifying yourself. Who the fuck wants to look at a balloon knot all day long? Like what's what's the deal with people out there? Oh, I know they are. I'm just fascinated. What the fuck is wrong with them a lot? Yeah, that's not what worries me. What worries me is the kid stuff. What worries me is when they keep catching like cops with Fucking hard drives filled with child pornography when they catch principals and judges and that kind of shit freaks me out

94:29that how like the idea that there's a bunch of pedophiles out there that are somehow or another avoiding detection and then that are operating. That freaks me out because it seems to be real. Have you had many people on who work in that industry, the other side of that screen per se, where they're tracking these motherfuckers down? I've had some, yeah. The very first episode I did of the change. We should talk about your show. Yeah. You have a show. Well, this, yeah. So the very first episode I did of the second podcast that I was doing called Change Agents, and I can unpack it later, but it was with a guy who essentially, the ICAC, right? Internet Crimes Against Children and Human Trafficking overseas. He came from a special operations background. And a lot of guys actually gravitate towards it from that background.

95:18But they also, I think, are making a mistake thinking that they're going to take the skill, especially if you were an operator of some kind, even though I hate that term, you think you're going to go use those skills overseas and be kicking in doors. And my personal solution to the problem, people engage in those things is just permanently shutting the lights off. You don't get to do that, though. That's how you end up in a prison cell with these people. It's the volume. I sat and talked with that man for about an hour and a half. And it's the things that they are exposed to are fucking haunting. And then even where I live locally, I was just having a coffee with a mutual friend who works part of the local sheriff's department. They have an ICAC division to the Internet Crimes Against Children. And I asked him, like, how do you look at this

96:05stuff all day long because there's the people who are seeking it out who are for whatever wiring in their head is what it is for the people who are trying to stop it they have to sift their way through that stuff as well and how that doesn't destroy you i don't understand yeah and that's one of the discussions about our border you know is that how many children that are coming through just go missing. How many children that are coming through get sex trafficked? It's not zero. Well, it's women as well. It's not even just the kids. It's the same show, just talked with an individual who is based in South Korea. They help facilitate people leaving North Korea. Oftentimes they have to do it through China. So it's a multi-stop, about a 3,000 mile journey. 60 to 70% of the women who leave North Korea are going to get trafficked along the way.

96:59Some of them, I asked him specifically, what was the longest journey that you had heard of somebody had to take? And it was almost 20 years. Because they got sold into a marriage along the way. Kids, had kids with that individual, right? So it is everywhere and it's unbelievable. That's what Yeonmi Park talked about when she was on the podcast, when she escaped. What was her path to escaping? They went to China when she was 13, but her mother was raped in front of her. She was sold into sex trafficking. 60 to 70 percent. And it's not like, oh, I was sold into sex trafficking for a month. It's half a decade. Yeah. You know? Scary shit. Yeah, it's the worst. Human beings are the absolute – we're the most horrific species towards each other. It's unbelievable the depths that we will go to for the things that we will do to ourselves.

97:50So when they track these people that are child predators, how do they catch them? Like what is the way? Do they find forums online? Do they go to the dark web? Like what is the way that they encounter these people? So in everybody that I've talked to, they obviously don't want to talk incredibly detailed because they don't want to tip their hat too much. They all kind of say the same thing, though. It's in plain sight. It's all a matter of kind of knowing where to look and what to look for. And it's like the volume approach. Kind of the same from what I've heard of people or organizations trying to throw drugs at the border. Like, yeah, you're going to catch 20%. That's cool. You stay busy with that 20% because we're focusing on the 80% that we make profit on. So it's kind of like the volume approach. And it's just knowing where to look. But I think there's Craigslist, classified ads, online forums.

98:44I don't know shit about the dark web. But I have heard that term associated with it as well. And do they have, do they have like code words? Like how do they? There's that. And I think a lot of the times these people who are becoming analysts, like I know of one person specifically, like it's their job to, they imitate either a pimp and they get more information from them. So they start these dialogues with the people in the industry and they learn more about them. They learn the vernacular. They learn how to navigate. and then the more educated they become, they could portray themselves as somebody who is seeking a service, whatever that – I actually hate to use that term, but that's kind of what it is in their world. And I think – And a service meaning like someone who provides kids? They're specific in what they're looking for, you know, whether it be age, sex, what they are – picture, video.

99:41It's always been like the most evil of all conspiracies about elites, right? That there's elites that engage in... The cabal. Yes. Yeah. It's always been the sickest. I have a hard time believing that one because I'm not seeing a single shred of evidence behind it. I'm open to being completely wrong and having my mind changed. But the people like, yeah, Hillary Clinton drinks baby's blood. Okay. Well, I don't think that's... People say that shit. That's a version of a narrative that is out there. I mean, is it possible? I mean, after talking to these people that I've talked to, it's probably possible. Do I think that the global elites of our government would be capable of doing that and not having it some way, shape, or form come out? I think that's slightly less plausible. So it's more likely just insanely sick individuals that just live amongst us. Yeah. That's what I would say.

100:43And then, so the guy I had on the first episode of Change Agents, he works exclusively, or not exclusively, but a lot of it is overseas. They can gather all the information they want. Then they have to turn it over to local law enforcement. And what happens with that information beyond there? It's a lot like us overseas. If we were to develop a target package and you hand it over to your partner for us, it's like, hey, now we're here in an advise and assist role. We can no longer go on target with you. Here's the package of information. And, you know, like four targets in a row. Like, oh, nobody was there. It's like, oh, okay. You know? Because you fall back. Right. Corruption, bribes. Totally. Relationships. Hey, hold those thoughts because they're going to piss. We'll be right back. All right. They're probably offering them money.

101:28I was just gonna say exactly the same thing damn you Joe yeah cuz like oh you want exclusive we'll pay you 50 grand and come yeah for people that we just came back we're talking about the guy why did he go with what is it News Nation they probably gave him some cash why would he do it exclusively right I don't know but from what I understand from what Saga was saying see if that's true Jamie that the that the Washington Post and the New York Times both said no they wouldn't print the story. They wouldn't talk to him, which is crazy if true. They wouldn't talk to him or they wouldn't print the story? Because those are actually different things. I don't know. I don't know. Sagar was talking about it, though. Because there's definitely a journalistic line as far as what they have to be able to prove before they're going to print it.

102:14The thing is, the people that reported on this, the people that broke the story, are the same people that broke the story in 2017 about the Pentagon admitting that there are crafts that are in our environment that somehow or another are behaving in a way that we can't explain. And they think are of non-human origin. So the same New York Times story that broke in 2017 that kind of blew everybody's mind six years ago. Same people. They broke this as well. So reputable sources. Fair enough. I don't know, man. The whole thing to me is like, fuck. If true, holy shit. If not true, boy, do you feel stupid. If true, though, kind of cool. If true, super cool. Yeah. Like they're not coming down and, well, I guess unless you live in Alabama, sucking you up with a tractor beam and searching around in your butthole. I don't even think they say that anymore. So why was that the most common narrative? I don't think it was.

103:12What's the most common one that I saw? I think the probes became, that became something like folklore. most people talk about some sort of a medical examination. Yeah. You know, like this guy, Travis Parker, the fire in the sky guy. He's got a wild story from the 1970s. He was Walton. What did I call him? Travis Parker. He's a dope drummer on Blink-182. Did I see Parker? You might have seen Aliens too. Travis Walton. Sorry, Travis Parker. He's definitely seen Aliens, Jamie, but it was via probably a substance as opposed to interaction. Imagine if your name is Travis Parker too. You're also Travis Parker. Like, hey, mom, what the fuck? Yeah. She's like, I didn't know there was going to be another guy that got famous. I think it would be sweet if there was aliens, if it was ever proven. It doesn't necessarily scare the shit out of me.

103:58If they're here visiting and they've been observing us, they probably have the ability to kind of do whatever they want. I don't know. That stuff to me is fascinating. Well, I think it's probably true. I mean, I certainly would study us. Yeah. I do study us through social media, which is a super fucked up lens. Well, we were talking today about examining bots and that like when there's ever a super controversial thread on Twitter and someone's saying something, whenever it's some sort of hot button social issue, I'll look at like someone's account and I'll go, someone says something really crazy. And then I'll go to their account and it's all like that. And they have a thousand followers or whatever. And it's not a real person. You can kind of tell like pretty early on that this is a propaganda site. And how many of them are out there?

104:45I mean, one of the FBI analysts, former—what was that guy's position, the guy that said that he estimated that there was as much as 80% of the people on Twitter are bots? That is wild. Wild. Because Elon, that was like a big part of contention during the purchase. They were saying it's 5%. He's like, how do you know? Yeah. Former FBI, CIA security specialist says more than 80% of Twitter accounts are bots. Twitter has been accused of misleading regulators about its protections against spam accounts and hackers by social media companies former security chief Peter Zack go Pew how do you say that Peter Peter? Peter? Peter P E I T E R. Yeah I bet there's a shit ton. I don't know if it's 80, but it's probably half My business partner in the coffee shop is from the tech world and he's like my only resource to talk to AI about and he's not a specialist in AI.

105:46But what he has said multiple times is it's very interesting when all of the founders of AI and that kind of theory are warning against what it could potentially do and maybe we need to check it a little bit. Like perhaps we should pay attention to that for exactly shit like that. Yeah. I mean, if it can move the social awareness and drive people to conclusions that I don't think anybody necessarily wants, like we should probably do something. I'm not the person to talk to about what should be done, but I don't know why people aren't paying attention. No, I don't know why people aren't paying attention either. And I don't know if you've ever seen any of Robert Epstein's work, but he's a guy that I've had on the podcast as well. And Robert Epstein, he has done studies on the impact that Google search engine results that are curated have on elections. Because it's a big deal.

106:41Like if you Google Robert Kennedy Jr., for instance, you're going to find probably a bunch of vaccine stuff that's going to lead people to think that this guy's a kook. That'll probably reach – let's Google that. Yeah, I'd be fascinated. Yeah, let's Google Robert Kennedy Jr. And what he was saying essentially is that they by doing this just by curating search results, they can shift the percentage of people You know up and down though like the way people view people in the polls Yeah, I'll just like it's literally in the first sentence though like you were saying the anti-vaccine probably Yeah, there's a sentence on Wikipedia who's promoted anti-vaccine propaganda bang first thing first thing you see anti-vaccine propaganda as opposed to what pro-vaccine propaganda yeah if you listen to what he says about vaccines it it is not unreasonable at all

107:35he is not in any way anti-vaccine he's anti-dangerous vaccines and he's anti-lying about the effects of these things both of those seem utterly reasonable to me jamie do you ever use one of the newer browsers that's supposedly not supposed to curate? Yeah, like DuckDuckGo. I'm curious what the difference would be if you threw it. The Brave browser's good, too. There's search engines out there that don't curate. Wasn't he, his voice is the way it is due to a vaccine, right? Yes. Yes. He believes it's from the flu vaccine. He used to get the flu shot all the time and it's one of the side effects. The particular disease that he has that caused his voice to get fucked is an actual side effect a rare side effect but an actual side effect yeah of that you think he's got a chance at it i think they're going to do everything they can to stop him that's for sure they're going to do

108:28everything they can to stop that guy he's a fucking kennedy he's really reasonable he's very calm he's very intelligent he's an environmental lawyer for a long time and the things he's saying are not unreasonable at all and he's also his temperament is sensational when challenged on things he's very calm and collected and he's very reasonable he's not an outrageous person so here's brave with duck duck go instead of google but what google did is the same thing here it pulls up his wikipedia right first so everybody does the the wikipedia first and then similar news stories and then that's the same first story that google had too so new york times i think what robert epstein's data shows is that when subjects are controversial, that they will curate the news to fit a very specific narrative, whether especially when it's someone who's viable, like Donald Trump,

109:24like who might actually win. They will curate the news in a certain way or with someone like Carrie Lake in Arizona, like when it's stuff about the election denying instead of like looking at, well, what are her claims? Is there any veracity to her claims? Instead of doing that, They highlight things in a way and curate things in a way that leads people to make conclusions and those conclusions shift the way people vote. You think that the country could survive four more years of Trump? Could they survive four more years of Biden? I don't know if it would actually be four more years of Biden. Yeah, he might not even make it to the elections. I mean, I think a good litmus test is would you want this individual flying an airplane? They removed Robert Kennedy's interview with Mike Tyson when Mike Tyson had him on the podcast. YouTube removed it. Why?

110:15Because of COVID, what they think is COVID misinformation, which, by the way, has been 100% verified. Everything that he said is true. All the things he said about the side effects, all the things he said about the efficacy of the vaccine, all the things that he said about how they tested it, how they came to the conclusions that it was effective, all of it is very disturbing stuff. And it's, you know, they removed, Theo Vaughn had an interview with Bobby Kennedy. They removed that as well. YouTube is going, ever since he decided to run for president, they're taking these interviews that have been up for a year plus. And they're taking them down. How much, because you're exclusively on Spotify now, right? Uh-huh. How much issue did you guys have with that on YouTube? Well, we came over right when it was happening. Okay.

110:59Okay. So if we put stuff up on, like, say if I had the Robert Malone episode on Spotify and I decided to put the episode as well on YouTube, the entire episode, I'm sure YouTube would take it down. Meanwhile, what are you saying? Has all been proven to be true. The same thing with Peter McCullough. The only thing that Peter McCullough got wrong is he said that if you get COVID, you get over it. You're not going to get it again. You do get it again. Some people get it bad. But what's fascinating is a recent study by the Cleveland was by the Cleveland Clinic. Recent studies showed that the more covid shots you get, the more likely you are to get covid. Really? Yeah. And this is a Cleveland Clinic. This is like the number two clinic in the country. This is this is like a huge news story. And, you know, if you put that on YouTube, you might get demonetized. You might get your episode pulled.

111:58But meanwhile, CNN can make your face the color of the yellow Rogan lights behind you, and that's okay? Yeah. First off, that shit was hilarious. It was hilarious. Well, it's just hilarious, first of all, A, that they went that far out of the way to lie that they would put a filter on my face. Like, they had an agenda so hardcore, and they were so dumb about it. like everything, like if you really cared about the news, why wouldn't you ask how I got better so quick? Yeah. If you really wanted people to get better, but there was only one narrative, the narratives, you must get vaccinated. If you don't get vaccines are the only way to stop this thing. It's not true at all. It's never been true. It's not true. It's 100% not true. You can recover from it. In fact, most people do. And if you do get vaccinated, there's a possibility that you

112:47could have a vaccine injury that's true too if you said any of those things on youtube they would get you pulled it's because they're sponsored by pharmaceutical drug companies that's why it's not because they care about you i found uh saw mike tyson's clips channel didn't get this taken down which is oh that's the cia did the cia killed this also vaccines can harm you and your children doesn't have many views well we should fucking not let any people know about it they'll take that down too they probably don't know about it yet i mean i'm sure it's you know We're dealing with the government. They're goofy. They probably just wanted the whole episode down. They didn't understand clips. Fucking dorks. But here's the thing. If the government isn't smart enough to understand YouTube clips, how the fuck are they hiding alien spacecraft from us? It's a different government. It's like saying people.

113:35If people are so stupid that they smoke meth, how are they figuring out satellites? Because some people are stupid and smoke meth. Exactly. Yeah. Some people are stupid if they're in the government. and it's the guy they tell to contact YouTube to take down true information because it doesn't fit with the narrative, that guy's probably a dope. And he probably doesn't understand that Mike Tyson also has clips. He does now. We probably fucked it up for everybody. Sorry, Mike. But we have to in the interest of discussing this. I wish that the government was as capable as people think it is. I think parts of the government is capable. Yeah. Well, I would say this. I think there's highly capable individuals in every segment of government. But the larger piece of the government that they work for is probably less effective. Yeah. Well, it's definitely not optimal. But they're really good at some things.

114:26And I think what we're dealing with now is human beings are now exposed to the machine. They see it in a way they never saw it before. And I think that's what makes this time so interesting. And I don't know what's going to happen with that. I don't know how that's going to play out. But I think people are more aware now of how fuck things are and about how shady these fucking cunts that are running the news organizations are. They're so bought and paid for. They're so compromised. They're so full of shit. It's actually hard not to see it. It's hard not to see it now. Like if you look at it with even a fraction of a degree of objectivity, it's, I'm not going to say impossible, but it's really, really hard not to see it on both sides for clarity. Oh, 100% for clarity on both sides. I would have never thought this five years ago. I would have thought they're definitely biased.

115:19You know, you got Fox News is all on the right, and you got all the other ones that are on the left. And, you know, they have their own agenda and their own opinions on things, and a lot of it's silly. But I never thought it was as transparent as I do now. And I think part of that would be me personally being attacked by it and watching it take place. Like, oh, you guys just lie. You just lie, and you don't make any sense. It's like if you cared about people, you would analyze what happened. Like if you're a young, healthy person, I'm not even young. I'm 55 or 54 when this happened. Like how in danger are you? And then if you look at the actual stats of how many people actually died and how many of them had comorbidities, it's 94%. It's something bonkers. And it's not just one comorbidity. It's a minimum of four comorbidities or an average of four.

116:10It's a shit ton of people that were really really sick already that already had fucked up compromised immune systems And you've got these people that were doctors that are fat And they eat shit and they don't take vitamins and they don't exercise and they think that an injection Is the thing that's gonna lead you to health like it's one of the dumbest ways to approach a complex Nuance situation which is your own metabolic health and your immune system. It's complex It requires a lot of maintenance. You've got to take care of your body because it is literally a biological machine. And you've got these assholes that are dumping cheeseburgers and fucking milkshakes into their biological machine. And they just sit around and do nothing. That shit tastes good. It does taste good. That's why it's... Look, I'm pro milkshake. I am. What's your favorite flavor? I like all of them. I love all of them.

117:04I like strawberry. Vanilla. Less artificial colors. Healthiest of milkshakes. Really? I guess. I have to assume milk is white. I guess. But, I mean, how bad are artificial colors? Are they really that bad? I think they're probably bad if you drink them. Drink them all day. I don't know how you ingest a milkshake, but. I mean, a lot of artificial colors, I'm saying, if you drink a lot of it all day. So, to your point, though. I think it's bad for you. So, how do you, when you see information, how do you vet it? So, again, to go back to people are probably. Well, I'm very fortunate that I know a lot of people. So what I do is generally if something comes up in the news and I'm like, what is that? I'll contact some very intelligent people that I know. Yeah, who are the apex of that. Yes.

117:45What would you recommend for people who either don't have that access or fall back into that category of what we were talking about earlier? They're busy all the time working a job to fucking pay their bills. It's hard because there's not a source that you can absolutely trust that's giving you objective news. If there was, I think it would be very successful. But it would be very hard for them to get sponsors because if something came up and say if there was some new pharmaceutical drug and it appeared at least initially that there were some very adverse side effects and that they were trying to obfuscate, that they were trying to cover this up and that your job is to try to expose that. But yet those people advertise on your channel. That's where things get real slippery. Yeah.

118:23And then you talk to the people at the CDC or the FDA and they'll tell you, they'll inform you, no, this is propaganda and this is safe and effective. And then you find out there's a revolving door with the FDA where they go right from the FDA right into these crazy jobs at pharmaceutical drug corporations and make fucking shit piles of money. Like what? How is that legal? Or they have names on the patents of the medication while they're still serving? Yes. Like Moderna. Like they had a patent on the Moderna vaccine. The whole thing is fucking crazy because there's so much money involved and there's so much propaganda. And then there's so much where people want to believe that this is going to save them because they're in this terrifying situation where there's this virus that's spreading across the world that's killing people. And the narrative is so terrifying.

119:17So when you get it, you're horrified. So when you get COVID, there's also that because you think you are going to fucking die because you've been reading about it and hearing about it and you start panicking. And if you panic, your immune system crashes. It gets worse. So if you're in a state of like heightened anxiety and fear and you can't sleep now you can't recover because you're not sleeping Right now you're freaking out and you've been told that you're going to die but you're so sad and so scared and then you're Hearing people like Jimmy Kimmel laughing about unvaccinated people dying on the air. You're like what the fuck man? That was a weird look. It's crazy. It's crazy that someone would make those jokes especially now knowing what we know about the efficacy of it that it really was only good for a couple of months and that it also might be encouraging variants and that's one of the

120:06reasons why virologists tell you to never vaccinate during a pandemic especially with leaky vaccines with vaccines that don't stop the transmission and don't stop infection two things they lied about in the beginning they didn't even have studies that showed that it stopped transmission or stopped infection. They just fucking said it. They said it because they wanted everybody to get vaccinated. Do you think it was incompetence or malice? Malice. Yeah, I think they wanted money. I think they wanted an insane amount of money that came from that. And they got it. They got it. And they're also, because of the emergency use authorization, they weren't liable. They weren't in trouble. But employers are now liable. So employers that mandated the vaccine and people that had to go and do it because they needed to keep their job, those people are now suing when they got vaccine injured.

120:56So we'll see where that goes. I think it fucked it up. My larger concern is if, I mean, do you remember, I'm sure you do, the initial data about COVID, like the death rate, which would have fucked up a large portion of the world had it actually been proven to be at that level? I know it because I had Dr. Peter Osterholm on the podcast sounding the alarm at the beginning of the pandemic and everybody fucking freaked out. Everybody freaked out. And I wish if we had a time machine that people were more comfortable saying, I don't know. But this is the best information we have right now. We're going to leave it with a pin in it saying, this information, we're going to update you as we get it. I don't think they could do that. I think they're being told what to say. I think by Fauci and by the NAID and all that, the NIH. Well, my concern is, at least where I live, as an example, in Montana,

121:46which we can agree is a little western a little western metaphorically and practically literally western there are horses that will sometimes come down main street and i'm fucking here for it they montana went into lockdown and of course i can only speak about where i live i mean montana's huge geographically small population wise just over a million people there was a full lockdown because we had the same i remember i remember driving home one day and there was a sign on the side of the road that said, stay home, don't put others at risk. Like Montana was taking it as seriously as anybody else. About four weeks into it though, most of Montana was like, how about you go fuck yourself? And in the places that were locked down the most, I think now if something were to come out, COVID XX28, whatever it is, I don't know if people would listen to the government anymore based off of the previous experience.

122:44No, I don't think they will. Which means we're proper fucked. Unless it's more deadly. But what if it gets out? What if the cart gets out in front of the horse? Yeah. You know? What do you mean? Meaning maybe it is more deadly, but people are so hesitant to listen to what the government says because of their previous experience that it gets to a point where it can't be off-boarded or railroaded or pushed into a direction where it can be managed. Yeah, I think that's possible. Did you find that Cleveland Clinic thing? No. I found an article talking from months ago that says something about it, but I don't know. No, it was very, very recently. Yeah, it is. It was all over Twitter. Here, I can get it for you. Alex Berenson, I know, posted it. If you go to his substack, you can find it. Go to Alex Berenson's substack. You'll find it for sure. we'll find it. But, you know, this whole thing-

123:45I think that's the fear, though, of not telling the truth. Yeah, well, this whole thing is exactly what they did with the opioid epidemic. It's exactly what they did with Vioxx. It's exactly what they did with AZT during the AIDS crisis. You can go back and watch Dr. Fauci say there's only one drug approved for AIDS, and it's AZT, because AZT is safe and effective. That's what he was saying in the 1980s. It was neither of those things. It wasn't effective. It wasn't safe and it fucking killed people. It killed a lot of people So what do people do then? I mean if it's if we have clear consistent in Examples that are happening over and over and over again of the people that are supposed to be in positions with our best interest in mind That are clearly acting especially when you have a little bit of time from those experiences

124:31You can look back and parse out the motivations whether it's personal political monetary What the fuck are people supposed to do? It's a good question. It's a very good question It's a very good question. It's scary. It's scary for people because if something else did happen That was similar like that I don't think we'd have a different result other than the reaction to it be more violent from the people that oppose But the people that believe they fucking believe there's people that do not question the government They do not question MSNBC. Do you not question CNN? They just see headlines other side of that That aisle, too. I mean, there's people who don't question Fox News or I'm not super familiar with either side. But the belief, like depth of belief and validity of belief are very different things. I understand what you're saying and I totally agree with you.

125:20But there's two like armies that face off that refuse to believe anything other than what their their party says. And then there's the government, which is supposed to be a combination of those people, you know, of the people, for the people, by the people. It's like, I'm not so sure that's the most current motto that we should be wearing on our blazers. Is this what you're talking about, this thing? I mean, it doesn't say Cleveland Clinic. That's why I'm asking. No. No, that's the myocarditis thing. I don't see him talking about the Cleveland Clinic. Did you go to a substack? Yeah, there's less there. That's why I went to his Twitter. God damn it. I had a guy on the podcast who had got myocarditis from the vaccine. His story was fucking horrendous. Yeah, it's scary shit, man. Sub stack. Let me see if I can find it, Jamie. Hang on. Let's pause for a second. I'm going to find it for you.

126:20This is the one I read. so this is the one that i saw and this is the source that i saw it on cleveland clinic peer-reviewed study found the more vaccines you've had the higher risk for covet 19 infection risk this is from june 3rd 2023 so this is the one that i just read it's like two days ago yeah so scroll down a groundbreaking study conducted by the renowned cleveland clinic ranked as the second best hospital in the world has found that a higher number of COVID-19 vaccine doses received increases the risk of infection with COVID-19. The research conducted with a large sample size within the healthcare system capitalized on the early recognition of the need to maintain an effective workforce during the pandemic. Participants in the trial were all Cleveland Clinic health system employees working at any Cleveland Clinic facility in Ohio on September 12, 2022. The first day of the bivalent vaccine

127:17was made accessible to staff. The study, which has undergone peer review and has been published, stated in quotes, the risk of COVID-19 also varied by the number of COVID-19 vaccine doses previously received. The higher the number of vaccines previously received, the higher the risk of contracting COVID-19. See figure below. Furthermore, the study found that the bivalent vaccines demonstrated an overall effectiveness of about 29% protecting against infection with SARS-CoV-2 when the Omicron BA45 lineages were predominant circulating strains, only 29%. However, this effectiveness decreased when the circulating strains were no longer represented in the vaccine. In the case of the XBB lineages, the study could not establish a significant protective effect. So the multivariable analysis also found that the more recent,

128:14the last prior COVID-19 episode was, the lower the risk of COVID-19. And the greater the number of vaccine doses previously received, the higher the risk of COVID-19, the study added, more from the study. The association of the increased risk of COVID-19 with more prior vaccines doses was unexpected. A simplistic explanation might be those who receive more doses are more likely to be individuals of higher risk of COVID-19. A small proportion of individuals may have fit this description. However, the majority of participants in this study were young and all were eligible to have received less or more than three doses of vaccine by the study start date, which they had every opportunity to do. What does that little line with the arrow mean? What does that mean? Where it says like where it says received that before the three. Greater than or equal to. Greater than or equal to. OK.

129:09Therefore, those who received greater than three doses, 46 percent less than, excuse me, less than three doses, 46 percent of the individuals were not eligible to receive the vaccine. Rather, chose not to follow the CDC's recommendations on maintaining and remaining updated on COVID-19 vaccination. And one could reasonably expect these individuals have been more likely to exhibit risk taking behavior. Despite this, their risk of requiring COVID-19 was lower than that of the participants, those received more prior vaccine doses. Ours is not the only study to find a possible association with more prior vaccine doses and a higher risk of COVID-19. During an Omicron wave in Iceland, individuals who had previously received greater than or equal to two doses were found to have a higher odds of reinfection than those who received less than two doses in an unadjusted analysis.

130:05That's what I'm talking about. See, so when you see that and then you see all these stories like, no, actually, it's even better. Like, what is sponsoring those other studies or those other stories that are interpreting the data very differently than these people are interpreting it at the Cleveland Clinic, peer-reviewed? What's, you know, that's why it's hard to know. Like, even Jamie, who's good at Googling. Well, the problem is, too, that you'd be able to find an equal number of articles that say the opposite thing. And I think my biggest, the biggest, what would be the correct term for it? The biggest takeaway that I have from living through the COVID pandemic was that you had better take control of every aspect of your life that you possibly can and do not outsource your safety and security to a fucking government. Yes.

130:57So vaccine aside, vaccine, no vaccine, like you need to prioritize yourself and what you actually can control, your time, the discipline that we already talked about. Like, I'm sorry, but the data is out. If you are overweight, you're more susceptible to die from a variety of reasons. Healthy, COVID, whatever, whatever the fuck it may be. You have to take ownership over that. Because then, honestly, if you can find 50 articles that say that and 50 that say another. Problem. Problem? Uh-oh. The Gateway Pundit is a far-right fake news website. What does that mean, though? This website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories. And it was published by the editor. Right, but this is also Wikipedia. It was published. The guy who wrote the article is this guy. The guy who created the article? Yeah. Jim Hoft. Right. But what is the peer review data from, see, there's published.

131:53Click on published. Click on this. And who's the author there? Academic. Yeah. See, a bunch of doctors. I don't know. But hold on, Jamie. Come on. Effectiveness of the coronavirus disease, 2019 bivalent boosters. So here's the study. Abstract. The purpose of the study was to evaluate whether bivalent coronavirus diseases, 2019, COVID-19, vaccine protects against COVID-19. Methods, results. Among the 51, what does that say? This is a 51,000, does it? Okay. 51,017 employees. COVID-19 occurred in 44,024, 8.7%. 4,024, 8.7% during the study. In multivariable analysis, the bivalent vaccinated state was associated with a lower risk of COVID during the BA. 4-5 dominant hazard ratio, 95% confidence, and the BQ dominant phases, but decreased risk was not found during the XBB dominant phase. The estimated vaccine effectiveness was 29%, 95% confidence. During the BA. 4, blah, blah, blah, dominant phases respectively.

133:13the risk of COVID-19 also increased with time since the most recent prior COVID-19 episode and with the number of vaccine doses previously received. So it says it right there. That's in the study. The risk of COVID-19 also increased with time since the most recent prior COVID-19 episode and with the number of vaccine doses previously received. Conclusion, the bivalent COVID-19 vaccine given to working age adults afforded modest protection against overall against COVID-19 while the BA four or five lineages were dominant circulating strains afforded less protective less protection when the BQ lineages were dominant and effectiveness was not demonstrated when the XBB lineages were dominated but it says very clearly the risk of COVID-19 also increased with time since the most recent infection and with the number of

134:08vaccine doses previously received. So whatever the fuck Wikipedia says, like who's editing that? Why are they calling that fake news? Because that's not fake news. That's, that's real. Who edits Wikipedia? All of us. Yeah. But that's one of those things where you have to realize is the sheer number of people that have a vested interest in maintaining a narrative and the amount of money that's involved in maintaining a narrative. And if they can just have some things, like, look, I got Jamie. Oh, it's fake news. Look, it's a fake news website. I know. I'm just saying. I'm not blaming you. I'm not blaming you. I'm not blaming you. It's exactly what you did when I brought up another website. You're like, oh, look, it's OAUA website. Let's not look at that one. Let's find a better website. I understand, Jamie. I understand, Jamie. But we went to the actual study. I don't know what that is I know we read it

134:57but I still don't Someone works for the government Here's a study I want to know I just feel tough about believing a website that is labeled as conspiracy theories, hoaxes, falsehoods and fake news Right, but guess what? We're labeled that way Ah Yeah I don't think we are You know what study I want to see? I bet we are on Wikipedia Did obesity increase or decrease in the U.S. population during the COVID time period? Ooh, that's a good question. I'm going to say increased. Yeah. And what should have happened is, is people should have exited that two year time period as a fucking machine. Right. They should have been like, oh, some people did. Some people did. Some people did not. Yeah. And I'm glad that they did. And you know what they reduced their likely cause of death from? Fucking everything. Yeah. To include COVID. Yeah. It's like, I get it. And again, you can get lost in that stuff.

135:48And I think that information is so important. But at the end of the day, you have to look at yourself in the mirror. That's true. But people don't like to do that. And people are trying to do that more than ever before, I think. And I think it's because of the influences of people like Jocko and, you know, Goggins and so many people in Cam Haines, so many health conscious people that are promoting healthy lifestyles. And it's very admirable and it's very attractive and it's contagious. And you want to do the kind of things that those people are doing. You want to live a healthy, robust life of a bunch of different kinds of experiences. and enjoy yourself and it's very difficult to do when you're fucked when your body's fucked you're fat you can't walk up a hill you know and it's the food you eat it's most of what the problem is the

136:30food you eat if you change your diet it'll eliminate a giant percentage of those problems and then exercise will eliminate a giant bunch of those problems and take fucking vitamins Jesus Christ please people there's so many people that don't believe in vitamins all right just eat a healthy, balanced diet. Shut the fuck up. Shut up. Just shut your fucking dumb mouth. It's not true. I wish that message was more contagious than COVID. Because unfortunately, it doesn't. I mean, fuck, seriously. I wish that message was as sticky. Yeah. Metaphorically. By the way, eating a healthy, balanced diet is awesome. However, most of the people that tell you that aren't eating a healthy, balanced diet. They're just being fucking lazy, and they're trying to come up with a reason why they haven't taken vitamins. Yeah. You know, it's not hard. Athletic greens. Take a little scoop. Put it in a glass of water. Shake it up.

137:21You got your vitamins for the day. Just do it every day. It's not hard. It tastes good. Tastes surprisingly less bad than you would think. It's good. I like it. Yeah. It's fucking good for you. Have you tried Jocko stuff? The greens? I have not. He sent it to me. I haven't tried it. But I'm sure it's good. Pineapple-ish flavor. Your CBD drink is pineapple-ish. Yes. I'm assuming that's probably right up your wheelhouse. Yeah. I like pineapple. Yeah. Pineapples are delicious. It's not bad. I just think people, unless you take a view of your life and the things that happen to you with a sense of ownership, you're going to be like the wind, a flag blowing back and forth in the wind. That's 100% true. Also way harder to do than actually say. I think some people are going to do it. And some people, because of COVID, are less likely to trust the government and the news.

138:06And I think more people who got injured by the vaccine have their eyes opened, unfortunately, or no people that were injured by it or people that had really bad covid, even though they were vaccinated and did the right thing and got wrecked. And they don't understand. And they were lied to. They got duped. You thought the Rachel Maddow telling them the virus stops with you. No, it fucking doesn't. And you're not a virologist and you're lying. And you really have never apologized for that, which is fucking crazy. That's the scariest kind of disinformation. I was yeah, I agree with you. Why do you think they get away with not apologizing or acknowledge they're in the media that they're they're bought and paid for there.

138:45Wouldn't they be more trustworthy as a media source if they were they don't care. They care about numbers. They just throw as much of numbers of a narrative. They throw it out there as many times during the day as possible catches people in the headlines. and that's what the majority of people read. The majority of people see the headlines. They see the chyron running at the bottom of the screen. They believe all that. That's the majority of the people. Unfortunately, there's a lot of people that are waking up. There's a lot of people, I hate the term, but I'm going to use it, red-pilled. A lot of people got red-pilled. They're like, oh, this is just about money. This whole thing is a money grab. It's spooky as fuck. It's really weird, man, because there were so many. I mean, when the fucking White House is putting out a thing saying you're looking forward to a winter of illness and death if

139:32you're unvaccinated. It's literal. A literal skeleton is telling you this. Yeah. When a hurricane comes, the most important thing is to get vaccinated. Get vaccinated. Everything is harder when you're not vaccinated. It's wild. It's wild. It's wild that this is the reality that we live in and that these trusted sources are all full of shit. And they're all bought and paid for. It's fucking scary. It's fucking scary for the average person. Because what if something comes along? It's another medication for something that you don't even need it for. And they tell you this is going to prevent things. You should take it because it prevents things. And then all these people start having problems. And they lie about the problems. No, there's no problems. In fact, we've shown a positive effect of this or not.

140:18And then you have your VAERS report, the VAERS system, the vaccine advent reporting system, the adverse event reporting system. was like 1% reported it's like how many people actually got fucked how many people are running around out there that don't want to talk about it because they're scared they don't want to get in trouble and that was a lot during the pandemic a lot of people who did have vaccine related injuries they're fucking terrified because if they talk about it online people attack them it's pretty wild to the degree that they attack them too they attack them for legitimately having a medical issue that was outside of their control they're saying they're increasing vaccine hesitancy yeah yeah so again super fucked what do we do i don't know man keep doing what we're doing i think i think talking about it helps a lot because people are aware of the actual the actual data

141:08now and the facts and then as more people come forth more studies there was one um thing i forget what news organization put it up on facebook but they said they had something like um do you does anyone that you know uh who is unvaccinated died from covid and then instead of that everyone underneath it wrote i know people died from the vaccine and they started listing all these people got strokes and heart attacks and it was fucking thousands of them and thousands of them it was crazy and that was an eye-opening moment as well yeah yeah you're overall look it's not that we shouldn't care for people that are injured and sick it's not that we like if you're fat and you're fucked you're like tough shit you know you shouldn't be fat now you're gonna die no that's not what we're saying we're saying you shouldn't be fat and you can do something about that it's

142:02one of the rare things that you can absolutely change it's one of the rare things about your body that you with discipline and with a desire to change you can do it it's amount the food that you put in the kind of food you put in your body and the amount you put in your body you can vary that. It can be done. It is not easy, but it can be done and the results are spectacular. If you think about it, as far as everything that's going to happen to you in life or everything you're going to experience navigating through life, it's actually one of the very few things you have control over. I do an exercise with people when I'll sit down and talk with them specifically about leadership and where you want to allocate your energy. It's simple. Just draw out on a piece of paper, line down the middle, what can you control and what are you concerned

142:46with, like the circle of influence versus circle of control. There's only one thing that actually ends up in the control category. That's yourself. Yeah. In the concern category, holy shit. Depending on how much time you have, you can go page after page after page after page. But at any point in time in your life, you have total and complete control, except for I know there are abnormalities that prevent people from having a large amount of control over their body because it's wired improperly, for lack of a better term. Yeah. But beyond that, you have total and complete control on the outcome. It's one of the few things, if not the only thing that you can actually control in your life. And I don't understand why people can't wrap their head around that concept. Nothing that you and I talk about is going to change our political system. It's not going to change the articles that are written.

143:32It's not going to change Wikipedia or any of this stuff that we've talked about. But you can make a decision with the time that you have to make yourself better and therefore more resilient to when that shit happens. You can do that, but one thing talking about it does do is it makes people aware that that's a real issue. Yeah. And that changes. That changes how people vote. It changes how people interact. It changes what people accept. It changes what people stand up against. It changes what people are willing to tolerate. Yeah. That does. I agree. But the most impactful step I think people can take is focusing on getting their own house in order before they throw stones. Be nice if that was a narrative that the government was saying. Yeah, go out and get exercise. What if they just said vitamin D? What if they just explained that vitamin D, what was the study?

144:19Did we ever find a study that said that 74% of all hospitalizations and death could have been prevented with vitamin D? What? Do you know that there's some bananas number of people that were in the ICU for COVID that were deficient in vitamin D? It was nuts. It's like 84% and only 4% had sufficient levels of vitamin D. I guess it doesn't surprise me because most people seem to live indoors a lot more. Occupationally. Yeah. And don't supplement. That's the big one. And then especially in the winter, you're not going outside, you're not getting vitamin D from the sun, which is the best way to get it. Especially where I live. You get about four hours. Yeah. What is it like in the winter? I mean, I do actually think that people who are local or from Montana, because I am not a Montanan. I'm not allowed to say that. because I'm not from there or haven't lived there for 40-plus fucking years.

145:11But, yeah, the sun will come up about 9.30 in the morning and go down about 3.30 to 4 in the afternoon. It's a bespoke experience. Yeah, I'll find that article, the 74% of you can find it, Jamie. But vitamin D is a massive factor in your immune system. Yep. Hold on a second. I'll find it here. I have something that says more than 80% of COVID patients at a hospital in Spain had a vitamin D deficiency, according to a study. Yeah. But nothing specifically with 74% off the first search. Yeah, I'll find it later. And who knows if that was real too. But it makes sense. It has a massive effect on your immune system, massive effect on just your overall metabolic health. You're not supposed to be deficient in vitamin D. It's the reason why people got white. The reason why people got white is because when they migrated out of Africa, they went to places that had less sunlight.

146:07And so their skin became like a fucking, like a solar panel for vitamin D. You can feel it in the wintertime in northern Montana. Like there's a difference in, I would say almost even emotional state too, which I think is just from that lack. It's rough to get up. Seasonal affective disorder. Oh, shit. Yeah, it's real. That affects people deeply in like the Pacific Northwest. Yeah. That's where it rains all the time. Those people get fucking depressed Yeah, and it's not just cuz it's not sunny out. I wish it was sunny. I'd be happy It's also your body if you're not a person of supplements with vitamin D and you don't do something to make your body produce more vitamin D You're kind of fucked and it's obviously not a one shop one size fits all cure. It's not the only thing you can do but Obesity is probably the number one thing Obesity is gigantic.

146:56I mean, it fucks you in so many ways, and it fucked you particularly with COVID. Because there's something about fat and the way COVID had some effect that accelerated the effect of COVID just by the percentage of body fat you have. What are your thoughts on people trying to make it so you can't talk about obesity without it being a social issue? That's hilarious. That's people that are fat that don't want to lose weight. There's no one who's ripped. There's no one who's ripped who doesn't want you to talk about obesity. Nobody who's in great shape who fucking goes to CrossFit every day. It's like, hey, obesity is not something we should discuss. Like, come on. Of course. Especially people that have lost weight. Like, guys like Ethan Suplee. You know that guy? Yeah. Who was like fucking enormous. And now he looks great. Like, that guy did it the right way. Slow, hard work. Did it the hard...

147:48I mean, a lot of people are aware of it. That's why Ozempic is almost impossible for people to get now. Ozempic? Yeah. It's a weight loss peptide that people are taking now. You never heard of it? I can't keep up with this shit. Yeah. It's a very popular weight loss drug that I know many people that are on it. I believe Elon Musk is on it. Tons of people are on it. And it makes you lose weight. It decreases your appetite. Do you change anything else or you just integrate it? It kills your appetite. Okay. Yeah. And people who are on it, they get satisfied with food quicker. So do they have to stay on it or does it make like a long-term change or like you're on the train and you're on the train for the rest of your life? I don't know. It's a good question. I've read both. I've read that some people, because of the fact that they do see positive results, want to maintain those positive results.

148:41And then they in turn will change their healthy habits because they like what they see. Yeah, then I've also read that you have to be on it forever because people that are on it They're just gonna go back to their old ways and you know, I don't know. I'm not exactly sure There's there's proponents and opponents of that of that stuff and one of the major Opponents of it is my friend Peter at you who I trust greatly on these kind of things He says he says it actually makes you thinner and lighter but fatter You gain a higher percentage of body fat. That's a wild trade-off. Yeah I don't even understand how that works thinner and lighter but fatter. Yeah, he said that I don't know what he means by that But I do know that people do lose not just muscle or not just fat rather They lose muscle connective tissue and bone mass when they lose the weight

149:29But I think that is also indicative of people who are losing the weight not eating and also not strength training I think if you strength trained you probably could mitigate a lot of that And then look I think anything that makes you fucking lighter and healthier is good And anything, if you're fat and that's what you need, go for it. This is what Peter said about it. Okay, here he says, what happens to your body composition? Ozempic may prompt equal muscle to fat loss, says Atiyah, meaning even though you see the number on the scale drop, your fat to muscle percentage is skyrocketing. In an Instagram story, Atiyah notes that some muscle loss is expected in weight loss patients, but drugs like Ozempic can exacerbate the issue. Almost without exception, every patient we put on this drug has lost muscle mass. And they have lost it at a rate that alarms me, he says.

150:17If you lost 10 pounds of muscle and 10 pounds of fat and go from 200 to 180, would that be good? Only if you're more than 50% body fat. Atiyah has drawn a line in the sand at his practice after observing these outcomes, telling patients they must have a DEXA scan first to test their bone density and body composition before going on a Zempick. Well, that's very smart. Yeah, that sounds totally fair and reasonable. Yeah. But I think when people do diet hardcore, which I think is part of the reason why they're losing weight is because they're eating way less calories. Yeah. When you do that, it doesn't have a whole – it's not an overall 100% positive effect on your body. It's not like only the fat goes away. You definitely lose muscle mass. Everybody does when they go on a hardcore diet. I think you should eat reasonably and try to choke a motherfucker as often as possible.

151:05That's a good way to lose weight. Holy shit. That's a good way to exercise too because it's fun. Physically and mentally. Yeah. Like if you enjoy shit that's hard and puzzles, and again, you want to try to turn yourself incrementally into a machine. Yes. Not a bad approach. It's a good approach. And it's an approach that's shockingly favored by so many really intelligent people, which is, I love that Zuckerberg's doing it. I love it. I loved his match. I thought it was awesome. It's great. Guys out there, he's trained by Dave Camarillo. He's doing the right thing. Yep. He's out there getting after it. I love it. I think the fact that he went out to what appeared to be a local jiu-jitsu comp, slap and bump and get after it, good on you, man. It's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. How big is he? He probably is 150, 160. No, I would fuck that guy up. Yeah, I think he probably would fuck that guy up.

151:53What are you, a brown belt now? He would 100% fuck that guy up. Yeah. He could start off on top. Oh, don't be mean. I think that's going to help. I think he's going to maintain top position. That's hilarious. I think somebody in that sphere willing to be that, literally that vulnerable. Yes. Physically vulnerable. Yes, yes. And just like, I'm going to go out into the public spectrum and do that. I have nothing but respect for that. It's fucking awesome. He's a fascinating guy. And he's very intellectually curious. And he's curious about testing himself. He loves competition. You think he'll stick with it? Yes. Yeah, I think he's going to get really good at it. I hope so. Those are the kind of guys that get really good at it. Yeah. Really smart guys. Like, how many guys in your gym that are, like, really good? Like, not even very strong.

152:34Like very small guys who just very intelligent and like Gabe Tuttle that the head instructor at 10th planet over he's fucking amazing He's like 155 pounds max 150 And he's a fucking killer. Yeah, they're savages. It's and it's just intelligence and understanding the positions and Drilling it and doing it over and over again and getting better and better and better and it's just such a healthy lifestyle But so is hiking so a lot of things. There's a lot of things you can do that you'll enjoy that can get your body healthier. None of those things help you in a parking lot, though. That is true. Not that I would recommend taking... I don't know if I'd go to the ground in the parking lot. That shit hurts. No, you've got to learn a little striking. How much are you getting to train? I'm not right now. That's why I got this. I was ready to start rolling again, and I fucked my back up deadlifting.

153:21You're more no-gi than gi. Yeah, but I train at gi, too. Has it always been that way for you? I did both. Yeah, I got my black belt through John Jock Machano after I got my black belt through Eddie Bravo. I saw the video of you getting your black belt from Eddie. It was cool. It's pretty intense. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. Yeah. It gives you a great understanding. I've told you this before on here. I had no idea about the UFC until I started training myself. I'm like, you know, it's not actually boring when they're up on the cage. No. And don't let that motherfucker up at all. No, thank you. He earned that. Yes. Stay down there and get out of it. Get out if you can. If you can't, tough shit. Just stand up, you know? Yeah. If you want to. Yeah. If you can. I mean, but that's the thing it's like why if it's only five minutes why are they having any stand-ups? the only people who say well

154:08There is the entertainment aspect of it But I think anybody who's trained for any small section of time would say no You should probably leave them there because the micro battle that's going on down there. Yeah, it's fucking awesome And it's hard to get someone to the ground if you get some of the ground You're fucking exhausted and you can hold them there and catch a break for a few seconds if the audience is booing tough shit If that guy doesn't like it get up, but the one thing that drives me crazy when I see someone on the bottom I look at the referee like come on Like come on no get up don't try to get on the referee figure out a way pummel get under You know fucking try to sweep them do something try to get your feet on the hips try to create some space Get back up to your feet do something. What was your a game? I Mean I'm a strangulation specialist. That's what I like. I

154:56I like head and arm chokes. Oh, you were telling me about this years ago that you like busted out a vertebrae in your neck because you were pushing so hard. Yeah, I fucked up my neck from using it. That's how I fucked it up, from using it. I'm sure I fucked it up from, you know, not tapping too. So like head and arm triangle? Yeah, I have a very good head and arm triangle. From mount? Yes. God, I can't finish that. I don't have the right pressure for that. It's not even a pressure thing. It's a technique thing. It's a squeeze thing. You know, like I... That's what I mean. I have yet to find the feel of where everything needs to be lined up so when you squeeze, it's just a noose you're not getting out of. I had Gillian Robertson on, and she was talking about her squeeze, and her squeeze is so good she doesn't even go for hooks. She's just a back specialist.

155:42She gets that choke, and she doesn't even give a fuck about hooks. She just crushes girls' necks. She's such an assassin at it, too. And she just developed that squeeze. She just developed it. So she just has this total feel. Did you ever see her match with Rose Namajunas? Yes. Woo! Amazing, right? Yeah. Just took her back and just never let it go. It was beautiful. And that squeeze, she never hooks in then either. Yeah. Her fucking squeeze is nasty. And that was Marcelo. There's a lot of guys like that. They developed that squeeze, that next squeeze. You know? But because I trained at 10th Planet, I developed a very good rubber guard, too. Very flexible off my back. And that's one thing that's always frustrated me in the UFC that people that don't understand that you can control someone from like a mission control position They don't understand how to utilize a no-gee guard effectively

156:34But then you got guys like Paul Craig that are fucking assassins off their back You get that guy catches you in his triangle. You are fucked man. Yeah, you know It's just a matter of like honing it down to this razor-sharp But when you do an MMA the problem is there's so many different things you have to learn You have to learn takedown defense. You have to learn this. You have to learn that. It's hard to develop like an elite jiu-jitsu game along with learning all those other things. Where would you start somebody? Wrestling. Wrestling. Wrestling. I think wrestling is the number one skill. Because if you can choose to take a fight to the ground or not, if you're a superior wrestler, the person's always worried about being taken down. I think wrestlers have a massive advantage. But that said, an elite kickboxer has a massive advantage because every fight starts standing up. Yeah.

157:21And if you can't take him down, if he develops good takedown defense, he starts chopping away at those legs. Oof. What do those sound like in person? Horrible. Fuck. Especially, dude. Weidman, first of all, congrats to Chris Weidman. He's coming back. He's going to be at 292 in Boston. He's going to be fighting again in August, which is amazing. But that was the worst sound I ever heard in the octagon. When he threw that leg kick at Uriah Hall and Uriah checked it and Chris's shin bone just snapped in half. The crack of the sound. Like we played it back just so you could hear the crack. Like as he threw the kick, full blast. And just hit the worst spot possible. Right below the knee on the shin of Uriah Hall where it's just an immovable force. And crack. That's horrible. No, thanks. Fuck all that. I've seen plenty of gnarly things in my days. I have no interest to watch that shit.

158:21Yeah, I've seen quite a few now. I've seen quite a few leg breaks like that. You still loving doing the UFC? I love it. Yeah, it's exciting. It's fun. I always look forward to it. You do a good job at it. Thank you. It's good. I care. You know, I really do. If I didn't, I wouldn't do it anymore. But I love it. Why do you wear all black? I don't know. Sometimes I don't. I wore white before. What's with these questions? What are you, a chick? I watch you on TV and I'm like, the fuck is Joe wearing all black for? They bought me a suit. All right. The suit's a black suit. Text him to me like, what the fuck are you doing wearing black? What's wrong with black? Well, first of all, it's good because I- Actually, you did wear a suit not too long ago. Yeah. People bleed on me a lot and they sweat on me a lot. That's what I figured it was. Black doesn't show it up as much. Plus, it looks good.

159:02I figured Lex bought you a suit or something one day and you're like, okay. Does that dude roll around in a suit all the time or is that just his podcast? Just a joke. Yeah. I like the joke. Oh, you mean on his podcast? Yeah. I mean, roll around. I thought you meant roll. Oh, no. He doesn't roll roll. He rolls. He's a black belt. Yeah, no. Not in the suit is what I'm saying. No, but he probably would. Yeah. No, he just likes looking professional. I get it. He's looking good. I can't do it. I don't have it in me. Or acting professional. I just can't do it. Yeah. All right. I got to wrap this up, my brother. Tell everybody your new show. It is called Change Agents. And broadly, it is trying to expose people to a variety of issues, social, economic, political some of the people you've had on like i had sid hearth on who was talking about coal

159:46uh mining holy fuck that'll blow your socks off and make you reconsider like how uh ethically conscious we are with the decisions that we make i mean it's everything from north korea digital slavery kleptocracy what happens to people who are disabled in war zones never had thought about that once until i had that individual on uh but the coolest thing and the reason i agreed to do it is one produced by our good friend jack carr through uh ironclad the production company, but we get to leave people with, hey, if you are disturbed by this or interested in this, here's something you can do about it. Yeah. Which there's more issues than time in the day, unfortunately, but some people ring true with other issues and it at least exposes people and then like, hey, if you want to do more, do more. Awesome. Yeah. All right. That's what it's all about. Well, thanks, brother. Always good to see you. Yeah.

160:34Good to see you too. All right. All right. Bye,