Georges St. Pierre

00:00The Joe Rogan Experience. Are you cool with Nick now? It seemed like you guys were complimentary after the fight. I'm cool with him. I don't know if he's cool with me. I'm like, I'm all right. I'm cool with everybody. That dude turns everything into a personal affair, right? Yes, he does. Does that ever get to you when guys shit talk you? Because you're like, if people didn't know you, all right, if the average person did not know what you do, besides the look that you're physically strong, they would never think that you're a fighter. You're a very friendly guy. You're very easy to – I've seen you interact with a lot of different people over many years. You're very easygoing, very nice to get along with. Yeah, I don't want to be – I don't want to look like a fighter when you talk to me, let's say, on the phone. I want to look like a normal human being. Right. Of course, yeah.

01:13That's a little bit the impression that people have sometimes. Well, you're not just a nice guy. You're honest about your own vulnerabilities, which I've always found fascinating. Like, you talk about what makes you scared. You talk about what you're worried about. Like even this Nick Diaz fight, you're like, I am scared because I don't want to lose to this guy. Like there's a lot of people who never admit that. Yeah, but I think it makes you stronger to admit that you're scared because you're not scared to say that you're scared. Right. Someone who doesn't admit it because he's scared to admit that he's scared. He's scared of himself, scared of what people are going to think about him. I'm not scared of what people are going to think. They have to see me as I am. So I'm not scared to admit that I'm scared.

01:55And it's almost like when you don't admit you're scared, it's like you're protecting yourself from evolving. Because the only way you can ever be realistic about a situation and get better at anything in life is you've got to accurately address what's happening. True, 100%. There's some people that don't do that. And I think that cuts them off from a certain amount of progress in life. I think there's walls that you put up yourself because you're not willing to look at your own failures. 100%. You're not honest with yourself. So that's what it is a little bit. Yeah. So admitting you're afraid is like, so what, bitch? Yeah. I know you're afraid too. You know what? As much as I'm afraid, I'm going to make that walk the day of it, and I'm going to do it regardless. And it sounds more crazy. I would be more afraid of a guy that says, I'm afraid, but you know what?

02:51I'm going to still do it, and I don't care if I'm afraid. bring it I'll do it like this is sound crazy to me more than a guy said oh no no no I'm not afraid because this guy is a lie he's afraid to say that he's afraid he's like man you know what I mean to me like personally that's what it is yeah the posturing and posing it's it's unnecessary exactly but you are afraid of aliens though right yeah I'm afraid of a lot of things Does it true that you have like a path mapped out in your house, how to get out if the aliens show up? No. No? That's the rumor, man. That's what I heard. I heard you have a plan. Because I know you like to use game plans. So I figured you had an alien. I know karate and I know jiu-jitsu. So if the aliens show up, I put a triangle choke on him. And I also have a katana, a Japanese katana. So if they come, I can slice them apart. Wow.

03:45Do you keep a sword in your house? Yes, I have. It's a collection, you know, it's for me. You better not bring any crazy bitches home. Ah, man, it's... A sword and crazy bitches. I have this hacksaw on the side of my bed that I always forget is there, and I always, like, almost cut my finger off all the time. Yeah, you should put that in the garage, son. Fuck this robber. It's like this big sword slash meat cleaver that it's just awesome. So do you really have a fear of aliens, or is this just a bullshit rumor? Because didn't you do a countdown show, and you did a whole thing talking about how you're being scared of being abducted by aliens? Yeah, I'm scared. I'm scared of a lot of things. But that's a specific one. I'll get into it. I can't talk about it right now. You can't talk about it right now? No. One day I was going to come out and make a big thing about it, but no.

04:36Are they in the room right now? Yeah. Have you had an experience with aliens? No, no, no, no, no. I don't believe you. I don't believe you. I don't know. I don't know. You don't know. You might have had an experience with that. My manager is going to have a heart attack right now. I see his face. My brother, I would never do or lead you down any path that's bad for your career. Just as you said that it's good to be afraid, it's also good to be honest about everything, even shit that sounds crazy. No, no, no. No, no. That's the thing. I'm honest. Like, look, I'm honest. I'm afraid. But I don't have to tell everything on the public. It's true. You don't. But, you know. Did you have sex with an alien? Because you're a smart guy. Let me tell you, you're a very smart guy. You know how to dig into people's minds. And as much as I like you, I hate that about you.

05:27Because he put me on the spot right now. But he's a very smart guy. But no, no, I can't go too deep into this. Listen, if I was on an alien spacecraft and I had sex with an alien, like I'm assuming you did, I feel like I would just come out and talk about it. I don't know why you would hold that back. No, but I mean, I never... Something happened, George. I don't know. It's either I'm crazy or maybe it really happened. But I hope that I'm crazy. I don't think you're crazy. I hope I am. I could be crazy. You know, some people, some great mind, they've been hallucinating stuff. Some people are, how do you say, maniacodepressive. Some people are OCD. Some people are this. Some people are that. And they've been able to achieve great stuff in their life. So maybe I'm crazy. Who knows? I don't know. I hope I'm crazy. Well, are these experiences, I can help you in one way.

06:21Are these experiences happening at night? I am not sure. I am not sure. Have any of these experiences happened while you've been in a dream state or you've just been dreaming or just asleep and you were woken up? I am not sure that I had experience. I don't know. I don't remember anything. But it was nighttime type things. Was it nighttime when you think you might have had something happen to you? I can't say something happened to me. I have no proof. I just don't know. What I'm going to tell you about is your brain produces a chemical while you're sleeping. But I'm going to tell you something, and I'm going to be honest about it. Sometimes I'm looking at the clock, and it's like I wake up and I look at the clock right after and it's like the clock advanced like a four hour or two hours. There's a time zone that I don't remember what happened. It's called falling asleep. I hope so.

07:21What do you think? You think you're getting snatched up and taken away for a couple hours? No, I think maybe I fall asleep. That's what I hope. That's what I hope. Or I can drive. I can drive my car. I can drive my car. And it already happened. I drove my car somewhere. You were sleeping? I don't know. I drove my car on a normal day, like going somewhere. Then I look, and it's two hours past. I'm like, two hours I just pass, like this. Like maybe I didn't see, maybe I didn't, maybe I watched the wrong time, like I watched my clock and I made a mistake myself. Right. Most likely, right? Yes, of course. I hope so. Well, that's very minor stuff. That's very minor stuff. Yeah. but that could be you being tired because you push yourself and a lot of stress. It's exactly what I hope so. It's exactly what I hope so. But you don't have any memories of great dudes putting fingers up your butt.

08:15No, I don't. None of that. I've had a job where you're driving down the street like on the highway, and you're just like kind of dazed out. You're like, wait, how long have I been dazed out for like 20 minutes? What have I been doing for 20 minutes? You could totally go to autopilot, yeah, and then like you just realize like almost all of a sudden you're home. Yeah. But the thing about being exhausted and sleep and having these experiences at night, there's a chemical your brain makes that's one of the most powerful psychedelic drugs known to man. So one of the things they're trying to connect, it's called DMT. One of the things they're trying to connect is people having near-death experiences and people that have had UFO, alien abduction type experiences and this chemical. and that they can introduce this chemical into the human body.

08:59And these people have very similar experiences to what they had when they had a UFO encounter or when they had a white light near-death experience encounter. It's most likely there's this chemical that's doing this. So when people are having these experiences, they're very realistic, and they do believe they're being taken aboard by a UFO somewhere, they might not be wrong. But this is not a UFO encounter. The UFO, it's an unidentified flying object. The encounter you talk about, if they've been taking a board, this is different. It could be a third type encounter. There's many ways, but this is different. You talk about me, I don't have any memory of such thing. But the thing I have, like you say, sometimes I fall asleep, then I wake up, and the time passes, and I'm like, well, you know. But that's just because you're tired, man. That's not aliens. Yeah, no, no. But are you worried?

09:57You're like, man, maybe it's aliens. Is that what you do? No, it's because I feel like I didn't fall asleep, and I'm not tired. I'm wide awake awake. But I fall asleep like this, and it's kind of weird. Are these on hard sparring days? No. No? Just a normal day? It could happen every day. You should get a GoPro, like a camera, and just record yourself all the time. And then when you ever think that happens, watch it. I mean, those things record for like eight hours at a time somehow. Yeah. How long has this been going on? Since I'm a kid. Wow. Wow. Wouldn't it be crazy if the aliens, like, manufactured you to be a mixed martial arts fighter? They're like, let's see if we could just turn this into a better motherfucker. I'm sure if it would have happened, I would have been much better than this. Much better than this? You're the fucking champion. What are you talking about?

10:47Yeah, but if I would be alien manufacturer, I would be Superman, you know? Well, they just won't want to get ridiculous with it. It has to be realistic. Yeah, that would be obvious. You can't turn a guy into a goddamn superhero. Maybe they manufacture Anderson Silva, John Jones. Maybe they did Rosaldo. Maybe someone needs to talk to them about their sleep patterns. Maybe they're falling asleep behind the wheel too and being sucked aboard a spaceship for repairs. Maybe they don't want to talk about it. Maybe they don't say, but maybe they are. I don't know. I'm just pretending. I think it's funny, though, that that's maybe one subject that you had a really hard time talking about that. I do. Because it sounds crazy. Yes. And I will talk about it one day. I'm going to talk about my fear, all that stuff. But now I don't get deep into this. Yeah, maybe they just... But I promise one day

11:36I'll talk about stuff. But it's not what people think. You promise one day? Yeah, I promise one day. What's that? There is no tomorrow. Didn't you see Rocky III when Apollo Creed says that? the Rocky Balboa. It's true. Like you said, maybe I'll die one day. Maybe I'll die tomorrow. I hope I touch wood nut and people say, oh, and I'm like, oh. How did you say that? Was that French? I touch wood nut? Is that what you said? I touch the wood like you say when you don't want it happen, you know? Yeah, just let it go. Just whatever information you got, spill it. No, but I don't know. I'm doing my, I'm doing my own research. I'm researching on myself. Like you say, that's the thing that you just told me. It's very interesting. The chemical that Buddy products. I'm happy that I meet you today And you tell that about me Because it makes me happy Yeah it'll make you think

12:24I think a lot of people think they're going crazy It's just your brain makes psychedelic drugs It's true Your brain produces Parts of your liver and your lungs They don't know why this stuff is in the body But it's super potent psychedelic Your brain makes it It happens when you're sleeping The speculation is that it happens during REM sleep I don't think they have the most accurate way of measuring it, but they know it's in the body, and they believe. The theory is that it comes out during periods of heavy stress or when your body thinks it's going to die or in REM sleep. Those are the times that you have higher levels of this stuff in your neurochemical soup. That's interesting. It's crazy. Why would your brain produce an incredibly potent psychedelic drug? so a lot of people that are having these nighttime experiences could be just varying levels of this

13:16chemical that's uh going around in your brain but that doesn't mean that these experiences aren't real we don't know what the fuck sleeping is anyway I mean what is sleeping you shut your eyes you shut off you don't exist in this plane and your consciousness goes somewhere else like literally you have no memory of a giant chunk of your day and we have no problem with it and yet we don't connect it to any other realm or the idea of there being other dimensions. You go into another dimension when you go to sleep. Okay. You do, you just shut off, you stop. And for all intents and purposes, you are in another dimension. And if while you're in that other dimension, your brain is being pumped with the psychedelic chemical that when you take it, when you're sober, makes you have these incredible experiences. It only seems to, it just seems like a normal thing to look

14:01into. Like people should be looking into that. Like what, what is, what is happening when you're sleeping you're sleep you go away and everybody's just so used to it they're like no big deal we just go away just go away for eight hours a day you know everybody's scared to die and no one's scared to fall asleep you're just you're shutting off man you know you're gonna be back so you're not worried but you're shutting off whatever that is you know is just accepted if sleeping didn't exist it would be the craziest fucking thing if all of a sudden you told people that they had to shut off for eight hours a night and just completely not be aware they'd be like what are you talking about I gotta shut off they're like yeah you're gonna shut off for eight hours a night and you're not gonna know what's happening people can touch your balls while you're sleeping

14:44you'll have no way of stopping them there's a lot of things that can happen the truth is like you said we don't know we don't know we don't know what the fuck that is I could I could like you know like you say it's not that I'm afraid to be crazy it's just I I can say whatever the hell I want and we don't know maybe you know what I mean we don't know we don't know the truth we have no Yeah, somebody might be stealing time from you. They might be stealing time. You're like, this motherfucker's got too much time. The truth is I feel like I had experience, but I don't know what it is. So for me to say it's alien or say it's the drug chemical you talk about, I don't know. I can't tell you right now. I don't know what it is. But I did. I felt like it could have been an experience or not. Maybe I felt maybe I'm crazy and it's the normal thing that everybody would like.

15:28But right now, I don't know. I'm making my own research to find out about that. How are you researching? I research a lot of stuff, documentaries and things, and go on the Internet. Now it's another thing that you just said to me. I'm going to research that. Maybe I research on the wrong. Maybe I research things that people have tried. Because that lapse of time that you don't remember, some people have been hypnotized and they had a bad adventure. And I don't want to be hypnotized. Well, that's very controversial. You know, what's happening during hypnosis, hypnotic regression, it's very controversial because there's a lot of people that believe that you can introduce fake memories into a person while they're unconscious and then you could steer the events in one way or another and introduce false memories. It's not very reliable, I don't think.

16:21So that's one of the big things about these people that have these crazy stories from hypnotic regression. Like, what the fuck is really going on? You don't know. A lot of times people that are in therapy in the first place are a little wound up. Of course, of course. So those are the type of people that you're dealing with. You're hypnotizing them. And then you're finding out about these nutty experiences with aliens. Who knows what the fuck you're really doing. But I'm going to tell you, it's like Socrates used to say. You take a fish in the water, okay? And the fish, he lives in his environment. Let's say a fisherman, he grabs a fish in the water. He pulls it off the water. look at him, make the fish look around, and drop the fish back in the water. The fish after, he's going to go back to his friend, and he's going to tell the other fish,

17:05man, I built pot out of the water, and people were breathing air, it was another environment. I saw a human being, a man grabbing me, I saw trees, I saw a bird in the sky, I saw a sun, I see a different thing in a different universe, and then he put me back. The other fish will think he's completely insane, you know. And it's normal. So maybe in a way we're all like fish. And maybe there is something, like you said, like when you see another universe or another well or something, and we don't know. And we're right next to it, but we don't know. And if that's why I'm doing research, I want to see, you know, I want to grow as a human being, find what's the truth, even though I probably will never find out the truth. But I want to get closer, closer, and find my own research, see what's happening, you know. And we're all in the same pattern, you know?

17:58You know what I think the problem with people wanting to find the truth is there is no truth. There are truths. I think there is no one truth. And everyone is like, someday I hope to find the truth. Like, what are you talking about? It's not one thing. There's truths. There's a lot of information. There's a lot of stuff. And to call it the truth, like to figure out the whole big thing, that's almost impossible for our brains to grasp. Like an ant doesn't know what a cell phone tower is. It's almost impossible for our brains to grasp the enormity of going from protons and cells and an animal and a planet and a galaxy and a universe and multiple universes. And it's not – it's too much. There's no way you're going to be able to take all the things that are going in all over the world and understand it all and understand the pieces that it falls into. It's not possible.

18:53So this whole thing where it was like, I'm going to hopefully find the truth. You will find truths. You will never find the truth because you're a monkey. We're not smart enough. We're not the – yeah. I understand what you say. We are being birthed into a whole new universe of information that's never existed for any previous human beings. And we're not designed for it. We're not designed to process this. We're designed to figure out where the deer are going. We're designed to figure out who do you want to fuck? We're designed to think this guy, he's probably going to take over my village, this cunt. And that's how we're designed. And then within the last 10,000 years, that has become watching space documentaries and getting on the internet. It's too much. There's no way. There's no way you know exactly what's going on all over the world. You'll go crazy. You don't have the time.

19:44It will take a lot of time and still to acclimate. I agree 100% with that. Have you heard of a lot of these guys like Dan Hardy did this, going to Peru and they take these ayahuasca ceremonies? Did you hear about that? No. You didn't hear about that? Dan Hardy did it. Again, wait to get him on the podcast and talk to him about it. But he said it changed his whole life. And it's the same thing. It's DMT. It's these Amazon Indians. They make it in a brew. And the active ingredient in this brew is DMT. And they have these ceremonies. and they all get together and they'll play music and this guy like blows tobacco smoke in your face and you drink this stuff and an hour and 20 minutes later they enter into the spirit world, have life-changing visions of the wildest physical manifestations of your imagination you could ever possibly think of and dream of. You can't even think about it.

20:40You can't even put it into words. And it's legal in Peru. It's legal in parts of South America. So people are going down there. Americans are going down there on a regular basis and having these shamanic rituals, life-changing rituals. And it's all based on the same thing that comes out of your brain when you're dreaming. Yeah. Pretty nutty. Yeah, it could make you realize things. Like you say, learn about yourself. Do you meditate? I wouldn't say meditate. I would say visualizing, yes. Visualizing. Yeah. So with specific tasks in mind, like visualizing fight strategies? Bad fights, visualizing what I want in my life, where I wanted to be in 20 years. I've tried to visualize where I could be and what I want. It could be about fights, it could be about anything. It could be about my training in one hour, what I'm going to do, about everything.

21:32It could be in business, it could be when I'm going to meet someone, what I'm going to say. It could be about everything. Do you have very specific goals for your life? Do you have things written down? Yes, I do. Do you write them down? Yeah, I have goals, yeah. Some I wrote it down, some I don't. But yeah, I do. I do have a specific goal. I have goals for my career, but I have bigger goals than this. Much bigger. Much bigger goal than your career. Yeah, like for example. Are you going to be president of the world? No, no, but I want to be, for example, one of my goals is to be married, have a wife with at least five kids, four or five kids minimum. Wow. When I have a lot of kids. That's one of my goals, you know? That's my goal. And that's... I'm not there yet, but it's one of my goals, you know? I don't think you're going to have a problem finding a nice lady.

22:21Find a nice lady that I can get along with. Well, I think you're better off in Canada. I have a lot of kids. Look up in Canada. Japan. That's what you need to say. Don't be trying to get these American chicks. They'll get mouthy. Especially after you retire. Oh, look at you all retired and shit. game. That's so funny. Do you have a clear timeline as to when you're going to discontinue your fighting career? No, I don't. I didn't plan this. Now I'm focusing on my career right now. I wanted to be the best at what I do and I want to be the guy that made the difference in the sport, you know, bring help the sport, the UFC, grow and be more mainstream everywhere. Well, you've already done that just by being who you are, by your personality, your ability to just be a normal guy who just happens to be one of the baddest motherfuckers on the planet. Yeah, but it still is a lot of things to do.

23:24In some country, it's illegal. Right. Sure, there's still a lot of work to do as far as the spread of MMA. Not just some countries, some states. It's still illegal in New York State. When I first started, yeah. And when I'm from, my country, it was illegal in Canada, you know. It was not sanctioned and everything. So I'm happy at least where I live now. It's good and it's very popular. Yeah, I watched your first fights, man. I watched you in the TKO organization. Yeah. Yeah, I watched all those, you know. I've always been a big, big fan of MMA. And I think that it's so important that there's all these other organizations going on, like that MFC up in Canada. It used to be Strikeforce. Now there's Bellator's doing really well. It's so important to have a bunch of different outlets for guys to pursue their careers. But up in Canada, it was just like that TKO organization, right? Yeah.

24:18A couple more? Yeah, it was pretty much only the TKO. You guys fought in a ring? Yeah, it was in a ring back then, yeah. What do you do? Some guys prefer the ring. What do you prefer? No, the cage. The cage? Yeah, the ring, it's not the environment. The cage is better. Or I would rather do like, yeah, the cage is perfect. A circular, like octagon or circular cage. Or even better than a ring, there would be like a platform where there is no walls. There is like a line. No, no, you don't fall, but there is a line. And if you step across the line, they put you back. There is a line and then there is a bigger. So you don't fall, but it's a platform. I see what you're saying. They have that in the Super League a little bit. Like wrestling. Like sumo. Yeah, kind of sumo. Yeah, exactly. That would be good too. Yeah, that's not a bad idea. It's just a space consideration probably. Exactly.

25:13For sure, exactly. They don't want some Brock Lesnar dude just steamrolling someone right into the crowd. It's true. No, no, that would be out of court. But something like that. I think the cage is pretty good. It's a good surface. Yeah, the only objection that people have as fans is sometimes it makes the action a little harder to see if you're there. Watching it at home is perfect. I'm sure they could make a material which is like a window that could see through it. Like a plastic window which is soft. Greasy and shit. Every time dudes would be like what if that Daniel Cromier-Frank Mir fight happened? The whole thing would be just grease. You wouldn't be able to see shit because those guys pressed up against every spot on that cage. But it's also girl MMA now and it could be like a car wash. Like a girl MMA car wash. It's true, but I'm sure there is a...

26:04There's a lot of things I would have changed in the sport. First of all, the time. There's no time. No round. Right. I think seriously, I believe it's stupid, the round. We want to see who's the best man. Let them fight. Yeah. 15 minutes or maybe 25 minutes for the championship. No round. Why the round? Why we try to be like boxing? We're not boxers. They did rounds to be like boxing, to be accepted as a sport. Yeah, there would probably be a lot more finishes. if there was no time left. Yeah, of course, 100%. No round, you know, like this is ridiculous. I mean... I like it. Me, seriously. Do you think it's possible that the UFC... Would you fight someone like that? 100%. Would you arrange that, like, as a particular rule? Like maybe the UFC could do it in Russia or somewhere where they're gangster about it? Yeah, I would rather fight in a rule like this.

26:55I think we'll be more honest, like, who's the better man? Let them fight, you know? See, that could have happened in Pride. They did that in Pride, right? Doesn't Hoist Gracie have a 90-minute match with Sakuraba? But I think that was like even then. That's when they used to be the real thing, you know, back in the day. That's why I have so much respect for these guys. Hoist, Coleman, Dan Sovereign. This guy is a pioneer, you know? Oh, yeah. No time limit pioneers. Harold Howard. Yeah. With his tank top. Harold Howard. With those crazy glasses. Joe Sando. Who else did it? Joe Sando became like a... Fredditch. He's in jail for gang rape. Oh, my God. Really? Yeah. Joe Sandoz was a part of a gang rape. Are you serious? Yeah, apparently. I didn't know that. They arrested him for something else and got his DNA and connected it to a gang rape. Oh, my God. Years by. Yeah.

27:45I'm wondering what happened to, like, some of the other guys. Like, Harold Howard. I think he got arrested. He's a Canadian. When I watched him, I was happy, you know. He's a Canadian guy. I was like, yeah, let's kick ass, you know. Everybody threw that crazy cartwheel kick. on Steve Jenham. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was good. That was a good fight, you know? Yeah, it was good, man. How about the boxer Emerson with one glove? Yeah. Yeah, what was it? Jimerson, Art Jimerson. Yes, yes. What was that about? Maybe he had a hurt hand or something. No, I think he was thinking more like he's going to grab with one hand and swing with the other one. I don't know. Who knows what's going through with their mind? But it was awesome. It was a real thing. It was the time where I literally watched the fight back in the day and thought someone could die. You needed to have so much courage back in the day

28:35to step into the octahoe, much more than nowadays. Nowadays, before it was no weight class, nothing. It was unknown. It was unknown. I remember a fight like Norris against Pat Smith. Man, the guy had blood everywhere before they stopped the fight. And then you see a towel flying and he still didn't stop the fight. I'm like, this is one time. This is the guy, the pioneer. These guys, they were the real tough guy. You know what I mean? Yeah, there was no referee stopping the fight. Yeah, no referee, no round, no athletic commission, no weight class, no this, no that, no A. Do you see fights where fights get stopped quickly? Does that piss you off? Well, you know, it's to protect the, you know. The referee can make a mistake sometimes and it pisses me off. Yeah, it's sad to see when there's a mistake done. I think they try to be the best they could be. But I can't believe the round.

29:34I don't think round is a good idea. That's my opinion. Just round in general. Round is a bad idea, yeah. What about gloves? Some people think there should be no gloves. Some people think if you can knee a guy and elbow a guy and kick a guy, why do you have covers on your knuckles? That's true. It could be an option. No gloves. There would be a lot of broken hands. but the problem is they would fight differently like back in that in pancreasion I I wrote stuff that they used to hit a lot with the the the smash the end you know yeah well if you you know if you watch the old boss rooting days in in pancreas he uh figured out that he could throw punches with he pulls his hand way back so instead of like slapping and like karate chop style he was throwing punches but he was doing with his palm yeah but the thing is we wouldn't fight the

30:22same way we would fight now to preserve our body like like like when I fought nick diaz I was in he was in turtle position I was punching like if I would be bare hand I would hit with my palm you know what I mean I wouldn't hit like the same way I would have probably broke my hand or you know yeah I never had my hand broken you know I'm lucky you know but uh you know I would fight different different different way it would make it better also for the all the grappling aspect I'm a big fan of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and wrestling. It would be better. It would be more realistic. I mean, I don't really understand why they have a pad on the gloves. I mean, I think it's... A hundred percent. If you don't have pads on your shins and you're kicking people in the face, like, come on, that's crazy. Like, you're going to pad little knuckles?

31:06And yeah, you can cut people more, but it also breaks your hand more. It's just, if you want to, if the sport, if you're trying to have it be realistic, it's almost like bad to allow people to wear gloves because it allows them to tee off and punch as hard as they can without worrying about breaking their hands. 100%. 100%. It's true. It's true. And, you know, you could break your hand, but, you know, you hit a guy with a good punch in the jaw, you know, a bare knuckle, I don't think he would break your hand, you know. Just doing karate, you know. Kerkoshin, you know. Well, people are also, you know. You would punch much harder, of course, because the tape. I don't think it's the glove. I think it's the tape that holds the wrist, So there is no movement in the wrist and everything, all the impact makes it harder. Yes, definitely. That's why I believe.

31:51Yeah, I think the hand wrap definitely aids the person who's punching. But you also would be really cognizant of only punching with the first two knuckles. Because in boxing, you're taught to punch and concentrate on those knuckles. But in reality, a lot of times when you throw in combinations, you're hitting them with all parts of your hand. whereas you're taught in karate the idea of punching like a makiwara over and over and over again. It's tough in these two knuckles. Jack Dempsey says it's the third knuckle. The third knuckle? Yes, he was punched with the third knuckle and he was known for punching power. Yeah, he can punch very hard, Jack Dempsey. He says it's the third knuckle because he said the alignment of the body is better with the third knuckle. That's interesting. Well, I would never argue with Jack Dempsey but most people believe that it's the first two knuckles.

32:37No, no, I know. Oh, yeah, and karate, same thing they teach. But Jack Dempsey, strangely, says the third knuckle in the book. He says that. That guy was a fucking savage, huh? Yeah, he was like... Watched those old school fights, and he would fight dudes much bigger than him. He was only about $1.90. I think he was like $1.96 or something like that when he was the heavyweight champion. He was fucking up those... You know what? I might be wrong. I think, actually, Jack Dempsey was even lighter than that. I think Jack Dempsey... Hold on a second. Let me pull it up. I don't even think he was 196. Rocky Marciano, which is really crazy. Marciano was 175. Yeah, what the fuck, man? There's certain dudes like that that just can hit so fucking hard. Yeah, but their opponent was not as big as well. That's true. Now we're like monster. Look at that Klitschko, you know? It's crazy, you know?

33:29Yeah, it doesn't say his weight on his Wikipedia. It says he was 6'1". Marciano or Dempsey? Marciano was like 175, 180. Marciano was? Yeah, yeah. I thought he was 185. Marciano, I remember I read he was a 180. I don't think he was. Dempsey was 192. That's crazy. Yeah. It's like my size. It's my size fighting every white guy like Brock Lesnar. Holy shoot. But they had those little tiny-ass gloves back then. True. They had just a little cover over the knuckles. Very little padding at all. and it was probably just like a little horse hair in there as well. Wild. Wild. Do you pay attention to like old videos of like old fights? Do you ever watch like old boxing matches and see like what guys like Dempsey had to go through, what guys like Jack Johnson had to go through? I watch a lot of stuff, you know, like what I've been watching on the internet recently is a lot of karate stuff.

34:33I'm really intrigued. Really? Yeah. Like the point karate guys, I think it's very underrated. Oh, yeah. There's a lot of very good fighters. They come from that, and I think it translates to MMA very well. Absolutely. Marciano was 188, apparently. The ability to move in and out really quickly. That's the best. Have you ever fought in point tournaments before? I did, yeah. It's very frustrating. I'm from Kyokushin Karate. It's not the same system, but I did point karate before. I fought only a few point karate tournaments, but I fought one really high-level guy. He wins a lot of those point tournaments. It was so different from Taekwondo being continuous fighting to this being like, stop! It was really hard to fight that way if you're not used to it. I would just imagine a guy who's really good at lunging in and out like that.

35:28If you could teach him all the other aspects of MMA, that would be a big advantage. That's what I use for my takedown. The shoot that people say, oh, you're wrestling. It has nothing to do with my wrestling. My wrestling is once I get the leg, I finish the tag down. But how do I get in and out? It's because of karate. People are like, no way, karate, no. And I'm like, yes, karate that allowed me to cut the distance and take the people down. I have a very good single to the ball or very good to the ball and very good penetration. It's because of my leg, the way I do. And this timing, I get it from the karate. Wow. I wrestling too, but karate primary. Because before I started wrestling, I was a karate guy, pure. And I just acclimate myself very well to wrestling and to wrestling for, especially for the mixed martial art. Wow, that's really interesting.

36:11Because I've always said that one of the best things about you is your ability to close the distance. Yeah, it's karate. Does that make sense? Yeah. It totally makes sense. All my footwork pattern and everything is from karate. This is what I get it from. Springing in like that, you know, the ability to cover that distance, that's a huge advantage. Cover the distance and to not get hit. This is very important. Right. Yeah, and that is one of the cornerstones of those tournaments and that style. Did you have a hard time when you made the transition to Muay Thai and MMA style? Today, even my kicks are more like karate guy. I do Muay Thai, but my kick, it's printed inside of my brain. It's hard to say. You're a Taekwondo guy. You can kick, but you will stay Taekwondo. It's fine too. I believe Taekwondo is the best spinning back kick.

37:04You have the best spinning back kick I've ever seen in my entire life. You're from Taekwondo, you know what I mean? And it's your background. You try to change your technique of your spinning back kick, it will be the worst thing you could do. So I try to learn to add stuff to my arsenal, but I don't try to change my thing. Right, right. Yeah, I still incorporate a lot of those techniques, but I do more just regular Muay Thai now than anything else. Because I think all those techniques, like the spinning back kick and wheel kick, for a guy like you that has a strong karate background or a guy who picks things up really quickly, those are good techniques to learn. But for everyday use, it's hard to pull those things off unless you're doing it on a regular basis. They become normal when you're fighting in Taekwondo tournaments and everybody's doing it. You're doing it every day.

37:56But in MMA, there's so many other fucking things. Like, to have the type of leg dexterity that you see, like, the top-level taekwondo guys have, it's so hard to have that along with wrestling, along with boxing, along with jiu-jitsu. Like, how do you manage, like, all your different skill sets? Do you have, like, 20% of your time goes to this, 30% goes to that? No, no, no, it depends. Like, I'll give you an example right now. last week I was doing for the movie Captain America the filming, then now I'm doing the interview, but every day I find time I go to Freddie Roach, work on my boxing, and this part of my, like this time I'm on my boxing pretty much, and when I'm gonna go to New York, for example, because I have to go to New York for the book promo and stuff, I'm gonna do my Jiu-Jitsu with John Danner, I'm gonna be doing Jiu-Jitsu Jiu-Jitsu, when I go back in Montreal, I mix up

38:53everything, you know, but when I go to different places I go uh you know I do my my like uh specific things and this is in between fights so you don't have a fight scheduled so now you're just in the skill development phase is that what it is yeah and that's when my training is fun because I I I train for myself to get better and I try stuff like now you see me if I go roll uh with my friend like at his academy I roll I try stuff that I would maybe not have the the guts to try a normal time because it's risky so so I try Oh, I get tapped. And, you know, I tap and I laugh. Who cares? I tap. I don't care. Sometimes I tap him. Sometimes I get tapped. But when I train for a training camp, now I train for performance. So I have to perform. I cannot be beat in training. Otherwise, my confidence will be affected. So I try to perform. So that's when my training is not as fun as it is now.

39:45Right. Yeah, the ability to loosen up in training is very important when you're in the learning phase, right? Yes, yes. That's how you develop new techniques. And there is an ego issue, too, with guys who are not that good at jiu-jitsu. You see it a lot, like maybe strikers. They don't want to roll because they don't like getting tapped. That's stupid. It doesn't mean anything you tap. It doesn't mean you're not as good as the other guy. It doesn't mean you play that game and you just get cut. So what? I get tapped all the time. I don't give a damn. It's a fascinating aspect of jiu-jitsu, though, that doesn't exist in other martial arts. If you kickbox and spar a guy, it's not as... Yeah, it's like you don't want to be knocked out. But, I mean, it would be the same thing in a way. Let's say you're a jiu-jitsu guy and you do kickboxing with a guy, but a guy will not knock you out.

40:33Let's say he will do a combo that he will be like, you would know, like, oh, that right hand would have knocked me out. If, you know, it's something in jiu-jitsu, oh, I would tap. Otherwise, he would have break my arm. It's a little bit the same thing. We don't hurt each other. In jiu-jitsu, you can allow to go further without hurting each other than in kickboxing, for example, where it's striking. It can be brain damage. Yeah, that's the hardest, is it, or I should ask you, is that the hardest place to find guys that you're comfortable training with is in striking? So you know that they're not trying to knock you out. You know you like every day in the gym is in a war. It's different. I'm going to tell you, I have many times people try to hurt me and I try to hurt, you know, and I have no choice, you know.

41:13I mean, you know, when I first, you know, now it's different because of the notoriety I have. I can find a place where I can go. And I mean, training, it's training, you know, we still go hard. There is a smart way to train, of course. I don't try to hurt myself when I train and try to hurt people, you know. But of course, let's say I'm training for a fight before a fight and we spar hard. If the guy, you see you hurt the guy, you let him breathe. You don't go for the finish. But the thing is, for example, kick to the head, we control the kick to the head, things like that. You know, we don't do knees to the head, the elbows, stuff like that. We don't do that. that and this is important to have a good training partner like that you know because sometimes you train with someone who's crazy he's gonna you're getting ready for a fight it's a lot

41:56of money on the table he's gonna control true yeah cut you or say like things like that you don't need you know to make a name for himself so now when I'm people ask me hey why you don't go train in my gym it's because sometimes I because I go train in the gym they know who I am I'm george st pierre and they go oh I'm gonna try to hurt him to make a name for myself that sucks You know, this, I don't like it. So I'm very careful with who I train now. That's a bad side of it because a lot of people try to take advantage and make their name, you know. And I don't like it, you know. I like to train with different training partners, new guys. But now I have to be careful to do it. I cannot do it, you know. I have to know where I'm going. The guy tells me, oh, this guy can go with him. He's good, you know. I don't care that he gets tapped out or be dominated. That's not what I care.

42:41I care of being hurt, you know, or injured. or not be able to work. It's a lot of money. When I have a fight, I have to cancel. It sucks. Yeah, there's always accidental injuries, but there's the injuries where you know a guy's trying to hurt you because he's trying to... That's got to be really annoying. There is guys that, how do you say, they always hurt people. Oh, no, I didn't mean it. But why it always happened to you, man? Why it always happened to you? I've got in the gym in Montreal. When I bring my training partner here, for, like, say I bring guys to train from, like, my last training camp, bring guys to train for my training camp to mimic Nick Diaz. I tell these guys, I, listen, there is this guy, this guy, you're not going to train with him because he's, like, and they're all, like, oh, why, why, why? It's, like, because every time someone trains with you,

43:30it happens an injury. It's, like, yeah, but I don't mean it. I, like, you don't mean it, but it's still happening, man. It's, like, it's, it's, that's how you are, man. I've seen guys kicked out of gyms for that. Of course, of course. But some guys, it's intentional. Some guys, it's not intentional. But even if it's not intentional, you don't want to take that chance to do it. You know what I mean? I don't hurt people when I train. Find me a guy that I hurt in training. It could have happened accidentally once in a while. Very rare. It's very rare I hurt people. Very, very rare. I could if I wanted to. I could. But I don't hurt. I don't hurt the people. Yeah, you're there to train. Yes, of course. Yeah, there's a couple guys that I know that people just won't train with. they just walk away from him. They'll say no. No thanks.

44:14Because you know, the minute you're going to train with them, it's going to be a fight. It's going to be like a real fight. And I'm paid to fight, and I don't want to hurt myself in real life. And I don't want to have to hurt. I don't want to put myself in this situation. You put together a great camp now, though, man. You're going to so many different great guys. John Donahue, who's one of the most underrated or underappreciated jiu-jitsu coaches in MMA, in the world, really. If you look at all the different guys that get famous for coaching jiu-jitsu, I talked to a lot of people about John Donahue, and they all said the same thing. Like, that guy's a bad motherfucker. Super smart, brilliant in the corner. I love the advice he gives. He's always on point, direct, accurate. it? He's probably the most, I would say, like brilliant, educated man I ever met in my life.

45:08Yeah, he's brilliant. A lot of people don't know, you know. I believe he's a philosophy major. Yeah, he's a PhD in philosophy. He used to teach philosophy in Columbia University before he dropped everything and dedicated his life to Jiu-Jitsu. And he was bouncing at night in a hip-hop club oh my god in a hip-hop club can you believe it and apparently he was like big on like weightlifting back then yeah he was a bodybuilder yeah bodybuilder and then he starts doing jiu-jitsu and fell in love with it that's amazing yeah so you go to him for your jiu-jitsu and henzo as well right you go to henzo's yes I go to henzo that's what you travel a lot of gyms yeah but I travel it's a good thing because I have places that no matter like I come to la often for business stuff but when I come to l.a I have the place where I can train in l.a you know

45:58I'm very happy I have place where I can train in new york I go to new york a lot and and montreal of course france and paris france you know and and it's important you know so I have time everywhere I go I have like a second home where I can go train there that was hilarious when you brought that uh french dude with you on the ultimate fighter and he showed up hammered what is his his name again? Jean-Charles Skarboski. Yeah, he's a very, very good Muay Thai guy. Very famous Muay Thai kickboxer, and he would be partying all night and show up to the gym with one of them club cups, plastic cups, and there was fucking alcohol in it. He's out of his mind. He shows up, he was drunk and high from the party. He hasn't slept for more than 36 hours. Flight to Paris, then I thought, But I made the training when he arrived. I made on purpose.

46:49I organized the training for him to come teach the afternoon class, the late afternoon. Not the morning class because I was thinking, oh, he's going to sleep. No, he arrived from Paris the night before. Went out all night. Went in an after party. Went in an after party and arrived straight to training. Didn't even go to his hotel room. And train and kick everyone's ass in Muay Thai. Everybody was like, what the hell is this? and even when he left because he stayed for like a week when he left the producer of the Ultimate Fighter came to see me George George we need to get this guy we need to keep this guy here it was good TV you know I was like no no he's leaving he has to go back it was making me look bad sometimes you know man it was like it was like giving I know and he's not an imposing looking guy which is amazing when you look at him he's not like a scary looking

47:41but he doesn't know anything about MMA. That's the thing. He has no idea who was Chuck Liddell, who was Anderson. He had no idea. He came in the room and he saw all those pictures. He was like, who's these guys are? You know, like he knows all those like famous Muay Thai guys, but MMA doesn't know anything about it. Yeah, he fights ties. Like he fights in Lumpini Stadium. Yeah, he fought Buakao, the guy. He cut Buakao with a spinning elbow in the head, you know? Like he lost that fight, but he took that fight on a short notice, like a few days notice, and he was underweight. Wow. He had to gain weight for the weight class. He doesn't care. He has like courage like crazy. Wow. It's weird because you look at the guy you would never think that guy's a fighter. It's amazing. We're surrounded by a lot of character. Kickboxing is much more famous in Europe than it is in America, isn't it?

48:31True. I believe the level is higher in Europe. Yeah. Apparently the glory though they're going to start to bring glory to someone. I think they're going to bring it to Frank Shamrock said they're going to bring it to CBS Sports I don't know what channel that is I think CBS has a bunch of different channels that they own but if they start airing those high level like Gokhan Saki and Daniel Gita and all these high level heavyweight guys that's some wild shit to watch it's true, it's got to be interesting to bring that here yeah it's so funny how like the difference in just like a pure straight up kickboxing match you know when guys have no worries about being taken down you know and when people say oh like the level of kickboxing in mma is not as high as the level of kickboxing it's a different distance

49:24yeah everything's different you cannot compare different stance look at lester over and got knocked out by uh what is it tonio bigfoot yeah selva but he's a k1 champion you know it's because it's not the same thing it's not the same thing I mean I mean it's easy to adapt when you're a higher level k1 guy to adapt to mma timing but there's the timing is different I think alistair had some issues going into that fight oh he could it could be too like I don't know the inside of it but I'm just thinking he's got a testosterone issue it's got low testosterone yeah he you know he he tested high for testosterone like he had taken something and now he has low testosterone. Okay, but I mean, it's just an example. I don't know the behind clothes or what happened. He just didn't look like he had a lot of energy and Bigfoot Silva waited until he got tired and just beat the shit out of him.

50:13That was a brutal knockout too. Yeah, I remember I was surprised to see that. I was like, oh my God, I was not expecting this. Bigfoot Silva looked awesome. That was an amazing combination, man. I mean, whether Alistair was hurt or not, the combination he leveled them with was devastating you know just I mean he was it was like it was a lot like like remember phil baroni and dave monet remember that knockout where phil baroni had dave monet up against the cage oh that was violent yeah it was not quite as bang bang oh he hit him like four times before monet can even drop that was bad yeah and baroni could fucking hit and he's teeing off on him and literally he's keeping him standing with his punches this bigfoot one wasn't quite as devastating as that but it was number two yeah man it was like bouncing on the felt like bang bang bang bang bang bang it was like the greatest

51:05punching highlight reel knockout ever that baroni manet fight it's true it was bad it was bad some of the those knockouts you watch are like oh yeah when um when you first lost your title to matt sarah that was the first time matt matt no no matt sarah yeah it's true when you lost your title to matt sarah and you know and matt sarah stopped you you know that was was that like that had to be like the most devastating loss of your career it was but I learned something valuable that allowed me to survive to carlos comdett what was that when I got hit by matt sarah the first punch he he uh I make me very dizzy. And I was so proud. Like pride, it's a good thing, but it could be a bad thing. I was so proud. I'm a very proud person. So I got wibble, you say in English, right? Wobble. I got wobble. And instead of back off and say, oh, I'm going to go back to my sense,

52:05wait that I go back to my equilibrium before reattacking, I got wobble and I got so angry. I was like, I can't believe this guy. Because back in the day, it was like 10 to 1, the odds. I was like, I can't believe I got wobbled by a guy like this. You know, like back in the day, like I was angry that I got wobbled. I was a proud guy. First time I ever happened in my life. So I wanted to give it back to him as fast as I can. But Masore hit very hard. So I was, I was, I didn't have any equilibrium. I got wobbled with one shot. Then I tried to jump back into a war with him, into a slugfest with him while I was wobbled. And he wasn't. So I got punched like boom, boom, boom. Then he started tee off on me, and then I fall down, and I tap. I knew I was completely out. If I would have kept going, I would be like, you know, I had to stop. And thanks God the referee stopped.

52:57But what happened with Carlos Condit, the same situation. I got kicked in the head. Then instead of telling, oh, I need to give it back to him, I fall on the ground. I said, you know what? Yes, I got caught. Then relax. Now it's time to defense. Catch up your breath. Catch up your senses. bang, bang, bang. I focus on my defense, my shield, close everything, every opportunity he has to hurt me. And then I came back after. So I step into my ego a little bit, try to accept the fight I got hit, relax, and then I came back later. That's a little bit of it. That's the experience that I gained from that loss with Matzera that allowed me to survive Carlos Condit. Oh, interesting. Because Carlos Condit dropped me with that kick. Matzera, the first time he cut me, I wobble but I didn't drop like I was I was on my feet but I tried to get back

53:49right into a slugfest with him instead of backing up try to use my footwork get back to my senses and that's what happened I got caught you know sometimes you learn during a loss and that's what happened to me Matt Serra by beating me he helped me become a better martial artist you know the kick that what what had you in more trouble the punch by Matt Serra or the kick by Condit but the The kick, I believe what Kondit was harder, was a bigger kick. The first punch, if you look, the punches of Sarah finished me because it was many punches. And I took many punches before I fell. And when I fell, I was too late. I was completely dizzy, you know. But I should have, when I got punched and wobbled, because Matt Sarah hit very hard. And I never seen that punch coming. I should have stepped back or hold him or go for, you know, instead of trying to slugfest with him.

54:41And Condit, when I got dropped, I said to myself, okay, don't go back into a – because I couldn't go back, try to go a single, go back up right away. I said, okay, use the guard, up, up, up, close everything. Because I was dizzy a little bit too, Condit. I didn't see the kick coming at all. I followed his body, and his kick came on the side and on the temple. He damaged my temple artery, by the way. It was a hard kick, man. Yeah, it looked like a hard kick. I have to go to Aspedal after and get it fixed. You have to go in 10 minutes? Is that what's going on here? Is that why you guys are having a fucking conversation? What is it? What's going on? You know of another interview? Man, what kind of other interview you got? Some boring-ass bullshit is what you got. What do you got to do? It's other PR stuff for the book, I guess. Ah, the book. PR stuff. So, everybody wants to know.

55:32And I need to go train, too, Joe. Yeah, where are you going to train tonight? Don't tell anybody, man. They're going to go watch you. They have the security. Curves. Do you, like, now that you just beat Diaz, there's a lot of people that are coming up in the 170-pound division. Of course, Johnny Hendricks is the big name and Jake Ellenberger and all these different guys. Do you, at one point in time, there's been a lot of talk at one point in time of you guys getting together and you and Anderson Silva meeting maybe at a catchweight or something like that and fighting in a super fight? Yeah, it's a question everybody asks me. They ask me that even before I came back from my injury, you know. Right. They want to be like, I need to do stuff in my division before I think. Because it has moved now. Right. I know Silva is fighting Chris Weinman. But I understand Silva is very big, you know.

56:25He's 230 pounds, you know. He's a very big guy walking around, very big. And I'm 190 pounds. Right. And he's a lot of weight different. And so, you know, if this fight happened one day, we're going to have to decide what weight class and, you know, everything. But this is, you know, I'm trying to see, figure out what's going to happen, what weight class and everything. He says he can make 170. If he won't make 170, I wait 170 and he come 170. It's fine. Do you think that's possible? He was fighting back in the day in Japan at 168. That was a long time ago. Yeah, but he was over 25 years old. Wow. So you think if he just did it slowly over a long time? Yeah. What's the biggest cut you've ever seen? The biggest weight cut? I did or? Anybody that you've ever seen anybody do? I don't do a lot of cuts. It would be easier for me to go fight at 155 than fighting at 185.

57:20I would be more at my weight naturally than at 150. There's a guy at 155, they walk around 190 like me. Yes, I've seen him. Because they think I'm big because I have a large frame. But I don't have a... I'm not a big guy. I'm very... I'm not thick. I'm not thick, you know. But, you know, I... We'll see this fight. Like, now he's fighting women. And, like, Hendrix is freaking out. He wants to fight me. So, you know, we'll see, you know, what's going to happen in the future. What do you think is next? Is it going to be the Hendrix fight? That's not... Probably Hendrix, you know. Yeah. That's a big fight. Yeah, but the thing is, like, he's always going to be a guy. that people say, oh, this guy is going to beat you after Andrews. We'll see what's going to happen. Yeah, no, it's a good fight. It's a fight that a lot of people want to see. You have a very talent-stacked division.

58:10You at the top, and look at how many great contenders there are at 170. Yeah, no, no, it's a tough, it's a very tough division. What's it like walking around with that kind of stress? I mean, you've got like a whole line of trained killers that want to get to the champ. Is that a difficult thing to manage? I'm not stressed. I try to take one fight at a time, you know, and focus on one guy at a time. I have no choice. I cannot split myself in half, you know. And for me, the last two fights were close to each other. And my second fight, the training camp, it was brutal, like in a way that I didn't have a mental break. Now I needed to take a little break mentally to come back stronger after. Because otherwise I will get tired of what I do. I will not be as good as I could be, you know. But you still train? All the time, but I train for fun.

59:00I don't train for performance, which is different. Like I explained earlier, I train for myself. I'm having a good time. It's fun. Now, while you're doing this, do you keep up with your jiu-jitsu at all? Or do you just do your boxing? No, no, no. I do jiu-jitsu, too. You do everything. Yeah, yeah. It's very important. How many hours a day do you train? It depends. Like now, I'm going to have only maybe one hour and a half. I'm going to train at Freddy's and that's it. It depends on my schedule. Normally, I train twice a week, twice a day. three hours maybe total, like two training of an hour and a half. The training itself is maybe 45 minutes, 30 minutes. The training itself, the talking, the this, the that, the changing, the show, you know, an hour and a half. Now, are you still doing gymnastics? Yes, I do. How often do you do that? Once, twice a week now.

59:47And you think that's like really responsible for a lot of like... I like gymnastics and track and field. I do track and field. I run track tour. Like sprints and jumps and things along those lines? Yeah, 60, 100s and 400s. And you feel like that's the best kind of exercise for MMA? Yeah, if I would have started all over again, because back in the day I used to train like an idiot. I was doing bodybuilder and watching movies like Rocky and all this, and Jean-Claude Van Damme, Arnold. I thought that was the thing. Back in the 90s, for my generation, that was the thing. Back in the day where I'm from, Canada, a mix of martial art and bodybuilding was the best mix you could be. You were, like you say, a badass. Then after we discovered that bodybuilder is not suited for mixed martial art, it's better to do like – I was doing more like strength conditioning kind of stuff.

60:43Then I found out after the strength conditioning, it was better. And Olympic lifting, I think it's better the gymnastics. Do you think it's better for your joints as well? Yes, track and field and gymnastics. If I would have to go back in time, I would have to tell myself, George, stop all that bodybuilding stuff that you're doing. It's better to do gymnastics and track and field. Is that because you're already a fairly physically strong guy and you're pretty strong from wrestling as well? I'm very strong when I wrestle, when I grab someone in that strength. But if I lift weight, I'm not very strong. I bench like what? Two plates and a half maximum. I'm not very strong bench press. People are like, my God, you're not very strong. I'm not strong at lifting weight. When I was a kid, I remember I was in school, in secondary school.

61:38And everybody, the thing was to have a big chest, you know. Every guy wanted to have a big chest. So I remember for years I used to do bench press, flies, dumbbell. And man, I never had a chest in my life. I never had it. I tried so hard to train for it. I never had volume here. And, you know, it's genetic, man. That's the way it is. So I said, you know what? You know, I'm not going to do it, man. I'm going to do it for gym. Like, you know, I give up on it. I give up. I have big legs, big butt, big calf. Say it. You're going to say cock. Say it. You're going to say it. You know what I mean? I don't have chest, man. I try to work, but it's one of these things that, you know, I give up on it, man. I give up. Well, you could always do what Tommy Morrison did, get breast implants. Did you see that? Yeah, but there's a lot of ways that I can use to have chest, you know.

62:35Have you seen that, the Tommy Morrison breast implants? No, I don't. Remember Tommy Morrison, the boxer? The guy that had the AIDS? He had the AIDS? Is that him? Yes. He has a disease, right? He has a disease. Yes, yes, yes. Okay, I heard that. He also got breast implants. Oh, really? Yeah, pull that up, Brian. Pull that up. Tommy Morrison breast implants. Why am I doing this? Okay, here's why, folks. Because if there's a guy out there that's thinking about getting breast implants and I can talk him out of it, I got to do my job. You got to see this. Take a look at this fucking picture. This is Tommy Morrison. He has, pulling it up? Yeah. Got to hit the switch. Is this it? Yes. Look at that. Oh, man. That's not good, man. Oh, man, that's not that good, man. That's hilarious. Wow. Yeah. Don't do that. That's what I'm saying, folks. Anybody, to anybody, please listen to me.

63:36Is there an unauthorized biography of you as well? Yes, there is. Who the fuck wrote that? I don't know. It's sad. You know, my parents are very nice people. They're from countryside. They're always very respectful to everybody. And this guy apparently called up my mom and my dad. My dad is an old ice guy. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He answered all their questions. And I told my parents, I was like, stop answering questions that people call like this, man. Because, you know, they're a little bit naïve. They don't know this thing. So I said, stop talking to people you don't know about. So some asshole just wrote a book based on that? Yes, yes, he did. Wow. But it's a bad book. He only talks about my fights. He basically describes my fight. He doesn't say anything personal. He doesn't know me. He doesn't know me. So that's not a real unauthorized biography. No, no, no. This is the real one.

64:24The real one is The Way of the Fight. It's available on Amazon. You can go buy it right now. It's available in bookstores. Kindle. Yeah, you can get it on a Kindle. You can get it on audible.com. Can you get it on audible? Are you talking it? No, no, it's me. Is you doing it? I started doing it when I had my ACL surgery. And that's why I started writing down stuff. But I didn't write all the words myself. It's in English. I don't write. But it's made with someone. I need it like a… So you don't write it in English at all? You just speak it? Yeah, I speak. I write English, but I would not write a book in English because it has been made in English first, then in French. So his name is Justin Kinsley, who's a friend of mine who wrote it, who wrote the book for me. But he took stuff that I say in my notes, stuff that I write myself in French. He speaks both languages, bilingual.

65:16So he switched it to the book. Oh, so you switched it to England? Yeah, it's not a biography. It's not about an MMA. It's not a book for MMA. It's a book for more general public. What's it all about? It's about the tactic that I use to start where I come from and to be world champion. I find myself goals and drills, the repetition, and I keep doing every day. So that's what the book is about? Yeah, it's more philosophical stuff. it's more a philosophical book it has nothing to do with MMA they talk about MMA but it's people that like it normally because it's not as been written by an MMA guy the guy who's written doesn't know nothing about MMA even the MMA people sometimes they might read it and say the terms are sometimes a little mistake we correct in the future misunderstood but it's a book about philosophy and the mindset of someone where I come from

66:15how I became successful from my experience. Well, George, you're a bad motherfucker. You're a cool guy. It's always great to talk to you. Thank you, George. I'm glad to be your friend. And it was one of the coolest things in my life is being able to teach you throw a turning sidekick. The fact that you would even listen to me when I tell you that I had a good one. I'm going to do it in a fight, Wanda, I promise you. I promise I'm not comfortable enough. I'm going to do it soon. Well, let's tighten it up, man. Let me give you some drills. Let's do it again. I got some drills for it. They can definitely help you out, help you increase accuracy. We'll do it some more. We'll train some more. For sure, man. Love you, buddy. Thank you, man. Thank you very much, my friend, and best of luck to you in the future.

66:55All right, ladies and gentlemen, that's the end of this abbreviated episode of the Joe Rogan Experience podcast. Thanks to Hover. Go to hover.com forward slash Rogan. Get 10% off your domain name registrations. Thanks to stamps.com. Enter in the code word J-R-E in the microphone in the upper right-hand corner. and save yourself some shekels, son. For any information on Brian's upcoming comedy shows, go to deathsquad.tv, including podcasts that you can get only on iTunes under the Dead Squad label. Like Ryan Keely's Muff Said and Kevin Pereira's Pointless, it's also the Death Squad Ice House Chronicles, which we do on a regular basis. And we probably will do it tomorrow night. You want to do one tomorrow night? Sure. We're going to do one tomorrow night, you dirty bitches.

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