Candace Owens

00:00Four, three, two, one, boom, and we're live. Candace Owens, how you doing? I'm good, how are you? I'm very good, thank you. Thank you for asking. A lot of controversy these days, Candace. I guess. A little bit. In the Twitterverse. In the world. Yeah. Just everybody's excited about being outraged. Yeah, exactly. That's exactly right. There's controversy every five seconds. You know, I had a guy on before, the guy that you just met, Dr. Robert Schock. He's a geologist from Boston University, and he is a part of this backdating of the ancient, the history of Egypt. And they're talking about, you know, all these different structures that might be thousands and thousands of years older than people think they are.

00:43And one of the things that he's working on is that there was coronal mass ejections from the sun somewhere around 10,000 years ago that basically killed off a giant percentage of the population on the planet. Lightning storms millions of times greater than anything we've ever experienced before. That literally was like lightning coming down like rain, barbecuing the ground, killing people, people forced into caves, civilization resets. It's almost like we need something like that to really be upset about. I know. Because instead of being upset about Roseanne or Samantha Bee. Samantha Bee used the C word today. That naughty girl. Because it's just outrage culture. I say everyone should just wait like 48 hours if everybody hates you, and then they'll be on to the next person that they have to hate. Yeah. Well, that's one of the cool things about the internet is the cycle.

01:30Boy, it hits you hard, but then it goes back pretty quick. Really fast. Yeah. It's never that serious. It's not like the old days. When someone got in trouble with something, boy, that trouble stuck. You know? I don't know that time. I genuinely don't know that time. How old are you? 29. I just turned 29. Yeah. So you're very, very young in the shit-stirring culture. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. This is all new stuff to you. It's new. Yeah. And I think the thing that sucks for me is that I'm really conscious of it. Like, I wish I thought all of this was normal. It would be easier. But, like, even when I do things, like, just before this, I was like, oh, let me do an Instagram story that I'm about to go on Joe Rogan. I'm like, hey, guys. Like, we're on Joe Rogan. And I'm like, how weird. I'm, like, holding my phone in the middle of talking to this device. At least you're aware of it. That's odd.

02:12But it kind of sucks that I'm aware of it. Like, it would be so much more natural if I wasn't aware of it. But, you know, girls are just, hey, guys. And they're all day. And it feels normal. So being conscious of it is kind of not that fun. That's probably the best way to approach it, though, to be conscious of how goofy it is. Because if you're just swept away in the zeitgeist. I don't know. I think it's better. Ignorance is really bliss. You think so? Yeah. I think there are people that think it's the most normal thing in the world to just put your entire life on social media. And I actually don't think it's the most normal thing in the world. But my entire life is on social media. Well, I've just met you, but you seem like a very bright woman. And that's probably part of the problem. Yeah. Because you're not stupid. If you're stupid, you'd be, like, putting everything on Instagram. And you'd be...

02:55Do you do the selfie face? This is my favorite thing. This thing. When they do that weird thing with their neck. Do you want to get the right angle? I do that. I don't. Good for you. I don't. I'm really bad at selfies. My cousin always has to take them if we're in the same picture. But I'm getting good at my, like, Instagram angle. And, like, the things that I say. Like, oh, do you guys like this eyeshadow? Like, it's, like, it's that ridiculous. My friend Cameron Haynes loves you. He saw you on Fox News. He's like, who's this girl? She's making so much sense. He's, like, super hardcore conservative. Yeah. So he likes when anyone is, like, young and conservative. He, like, loves Ben Shapiro. He loves all that shit. Yeah. So he got excited about you. Yeah. People have been really excited. I think it's just because I'm really unapologetically myself. And today that's, like, it's like seeing an alien.

03:45Well, it's hard to pull off, right? Because people get mad at you. People are trying to. There's one thing that is absolutely happening, whether people like it or not, or believe it or not, is that people are trying to silence other people's opinions. That's correct. If you say something that doesn't jive with them, instead of saying, wow, this lady's kind of out there. Or she's saying some shit that I'm not sure I agree with. Instead of that, they're like, fire her. Yeah. Get her off the air. Yeah. You know, boycott. Boycott. It's insane. The outrage culture is insane. It's like, do you really want someone to lose their job because you didn't like a tweet? Like, how weird are some of these situations? I'm like, do you really want this person not to be able to feed their family because you don't like a tweet? People are crazy. They just, they find targets and they want to go after them.

04:23There was a bunch of people that were writing, boycott Joe Rogan because I was talking about having Roseanne Barr on the show tomorrow. It's insane. I know. And it's like she doesn't have a right to speak now. She can't even talk. She can't even talk. She can't even talk. Even though I'm sure you don't agree. I don't agree with what she said. Right. But the idea that she can't like have a conversation after that to me is like the most bizarre thing in the entire world. But that is what outrage culture is. Yeah. It's like they need you off the island. She doesn't even agree with what she said. Right. I know. She apologized. Nobody cares. She's on Ambien. It's not enough. She's taken all kinds of antidepressants. Yeah. She's drinking. She's fucked out of her head. No. Like my mom took Ambien and she just told me about this today. I forgot.

05:04I forgot about the story because I was telling her the story about another friend of mine on the podcast yesterday. I talked about how a friend of mine got on Ambien, made a full meal, cooked it, ate it, went to sleep, got up in the morning and had zero recollection of it. That's really real. I was in total denial of it. It happens. That's 100% real. My mom told me that she went to bed, got up in the morning and she had got up and put red lipstick and nail polish all over the white bathroom carpet. Those little shag carpet. She just painted on it like a child. No, Ambien's- She had zero recollection of it. She's like, this is scary shit. She's painted like a little kid would, like a two-year-old would get a hold of your lipstick and start drawing on the walls. She did that on this shag carpet. Ambien is just like sleepwalk. Yeah.

05:49Like it instantly brings you into sleepwalk and you can do anything when you're on Ambien. I had a bunch of college friends who used to do Ambien and like bizarre stories would just come out. I'm like very anti-pills. I don't take anything. Nothing. Nothing at all. Do you drink? I don't drink. No. You don't do anything. I don't do anything. You're a teetotterer? I mean, I wasn't always. I guess you could say it's like a little bit of paranoia. But once I started down this like journey of realizing that like, oh my God, I lived for 26 years and my mind wasn't my own. Like I thought like being a liberal was okay and like everything that was said on TV was okay. Then it's like very easy to sort of get a little paranoid and go, okay, well, what else do I accept normally that is actually retrospective, like a little weird? And I started thinking about drinking.

06:30I'm like, how can drinking possibly be the cure to everything? Like, it's like, you're getting married. Drink. You're happy. You're sad. Drink. Right. You're a little embarrassed. Have some, you know, drink. Do you want to come out of your shell? Drink. Like no matter what emotion you have, there's like a liquor designed for it. So I was like, this is a little shady. Like, I don't know. I just feel like, and then I did like a little bit of math and I calculated that since I had started drinking when I was like 14 years old and I would say like fair, like I drink every weekend, probably more in college, maybe five days a week in college. Right. Then I was like, wow, I've technically drank for like three years of my life and that feels weird. So I'm just not going to drink anymore. So you put in your time. Yeah. Take a little break. Yeah. Take a little break. Take a little break. Yeah.

07:11And which is weird because now I go places and I'm like, oh, I don't drink and everyone gets really uncomfortable and they're like, oh, okay, I'll have a glass of water. I'm like, I'm an alcoholic. You can have a beer in front of me, you know, but it's a weird thing. Like if other people are drinking and you don't, they're like, oh, an outsider. Like I'm the weird one. Yeah. Yeah. They don't, they don't trust you. Like it's like, they're just like, I can't trust this one. Yeah. I'm like, water's good. Because if everybody's fucked up, you're like, man, we were fucked up. And then whoever did weird shit, it's like, it's okay. We're all hammered. Right. But if one person is sober, you don't like that person. Right. And I'm at the age where all my friends are getting married. And like the first thing they say when I say I don't drink is like, you're not going to drink at my wedding.

07:52And I'm like, well, yeah, is that okay? Like, can I still come? And like, they feel like you're ruining their wedding. Right. Because you're not going to drink at, it's like a very strange thing. The culture of drinking as a non-drinker, you really realize how bizarre it is socially. How long did you take off? How long has it been? I stopped drinking last November. So it hasn't been like super long, but long enough for people to really have some weird feelings about it. And just, I'm just sober, man. I don't know. It's not a bad thing. Yeah. I took a month off. I took a, we did sober October, no pot, no booze. And then we had to do 15, yeah, 15 hot yoga classes, 90 minute hot yoga classes in a month. It was just a bet between me and my four friends. It was a stupid bet because there wasn't even any stakes, right? Like if one of us didn't do it, we had to throw a party, but we all did it.

08:40So it was like pointless, but we learned a lot. You learned a lot about just, you learned a lot about that even if you don't think you use alcohol or pot as an escape, you do. You do. You do. You 100% do. You lean on it a little bit. Yeah. And I always talk about like people are like, what are the differences you've noticed? And there have been so many differences. But I think like the number one thing is just like the amount of confidence that I have. Like I have this theory now that alcohol like gives you anxiety. Like I used to be stressed out. Like I realized that I was self-diagnosing myself. Like I'd be like, eh, I'm not a morning person. I was probably just like perpetually hung over and never like now I'm like, I jump up now in the morning. I have so much energy. So I'm like, wow, I wonder how many things I've been like, like self-diagnosing.

09:21I'm like, oh yeah, my skin just got bad once I turned 26. Like skin immediately clears up. So I'm like, wow, maybe I, I just had like so much alcohol in my system that I like developed random things like just making excuses. I mean, it's definitely not good for you. It's certainly not good for you five, six nights a week. No. And the best way to like stop drinking is to like read an article that freaks you out about like what drinking does. Like this is what I do. This is like how I train myself to do things. I'll like read some really extreme thing on the internet and then be like, okay. Like liver sclerosis and shit like that. No. Like, like this guy had this theory that like alcohol and people call alcohol like spirits or whatever that like when you drink, like it allows like evil spirits to come into your body. Like the most bizarre thing. And I was just like, yeah, I can't drink anymore.

10:08Got to keep away from evil spirits. And that's what you used. Yeah. Yeah. I just like read weird articles and then I'm like, I'm not going to drink anymore. I'm done. I'm over it. And then I realized like who else doesn't drink? Like the most like successful, like Donald Trump has never drank alcohol, which is just fascinating because I'm like, I don't know how. You could use a drink. Just tell that dude to sit down and relax. He's got so much energy, right? Like he's just like going at it. And I'm like, maybe that's, that's the secret. Charlie Kirk doesn't drink. He's like 24 years old and taking over the world. So I don't know. I'm who else. Don Trump Jr. Doesn't drink. Doesn't? Doesn't. I mean, he did. Like I used to drink. I don't mean to, but he doesn't drink. Yeah. I don't know. So I guess the people that I'm around now don't drink. So it makes it easier. But they're just like highly productive individuals.

10:51And I'm now like highly productive. Kim Kardashian doesn't drink. And whether you like drink too. It's good to be highly productive, but it's also good to have fun. And I don't think there's anything wrong with a little social lubricant. No, I think there's nothing wrong with it. People can drink around me all the time. I don't care. Actually, I will say like when people get like completely sloshed, it's a weird thing to observe when you're sober. It's very weird. It's a strange place. It's like being on another planet where like everyone's acting like a toddler. It's like watching a preschool class. Yeah. Like I'm going to a bathroom. Like, you know, I'm like, why are you screaming close to my face? And they want to talk to you and explain things. And they want to get really close. Like drinking makes you a really close talker.

11:30There's something where you need to feel like the heat emanating off of someone's face. Well, you don't understand space. Yeah. You don't understand personal space. You just like, you know, people grab people and do weird shit to them when they're drunk. It's a weird thing to watch sober. There's a certain number of drinks where it's fun. And then there's a certain number of drinks where you're like, wow, human beings are weird. You know, you're going to go back. I mean, look, I'm sure I'm not going to like never drink again. But like, I'm not even I don't even think about it. Like, it's just like, this is the new Candace. I'm sure like when I get married, right, like I'm not going to not have like a glass of champagne. But like right now, like especially with like the stuff that I'm doing, I'm like, I just don't have the energy to be like tired. Right. Which is kind of a weird sentence.

12:09So how did you become this? You're a very popular, what I would call conservative thinker. Yeah. But you're very young. I am. Like, how did this all happen? How did you become this Fox News personality, conservative thinker? Yeah. I mean, I just like launched a YouTube channel. Oh, fucking YouTube. Yeah. YouTube where magic happens. YouTube's a strange place. It's as strange as it gets. It's just another strange place. Yeah. Well, it's the Internet. It's the Internet. It's the Internet. Yeah. Strange things happen on the Internet. But yeah, I just kind of, I was really passionate. I understood I had studied for like, it sounds strange, but like I spent a year underground like studying politics once I had my red pill moment, if that's what you want to call it. Explain that because you used to be a liberal. Right. And then you became a conservative. That's correct. So what was it?

12:57So the story like really starts with like high school, I guess. Like, you know how things can happen to you in life and they don't make sense when they happen. You're like, why God me? And then you get a little older and you're like, this makes perfect sense. Right. So I was the quote unquote victim of a hate crime when I was in high school. When you say quote unquote victim, you don't think you were a victim? No, I hate the word victim. And it's, I'm like, and again, early, I can see why early on I've sort of developed this mentality that like being a, there's no value in being a victim. And people rush to call people a victim. They rush to call somebody the aggressor. So how do you describe it? That you experienced a hate crime? I experienced something that was labeled a hate crime. I wouldn't even call it hate crime. I think we live in a label obsessed culture.

13:35And before we seek to understand what happened, we seek to like. Put it in a box. Yeah. So what happened? Someone has to be a demon and someone has to be an angel. So what happened was I received some voicemail messages from about four kids. And that like, you know, the language was, it was pretty strong. It was like, we're going to tar and feather your family. We're going to put a bull in the back of your head. We did to Martin Luther King. Like, you know, N word, N word, N word. And you received these on your phone? On my cell phone. Yeah. How'd they get your phone number? Well, there was a prank phone call. So I didn't know. I was like four male voices. And I was like in high school at the time. And I was like, okay, I cannot think of four human beings that want me dead. That would say like, we're going to put a bull in the back of your head. Like we did to Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks.

14:17Like naming off. Where did you go to school? Where were you? What part of the country? Stanford High School in Connecticut. Okay. That's a shithole. Yeah. Yeah. It's a total shithole. I hate Connecticut. Yeah. No. Connecticut's on a shithole. It's a running joke. I'm sorry. I always shit on Connecticut. I have my buddy, Tommy Jr. He lives in Connecticut. And I'm always telling him, dude, you got to move out of Connecticut. And it became this terrible running joke where I talk about that Connecticut's the worst day in the country. Have you actually been? Yeah, a bunch of times. I used to work there all the time. Where? What city? Well, I used to work in all over Connecticut when I was doing standup. I would drive from Boston into Connecticut. I did like a lot of gigs in Hartford. I did gigs. Hartford is a shithole. It's a shithole. Bridgeport is a shithole. Shout out to Marlon Starling Jr. Yeah.

14:59He was a boxer that came out of Hartford. Yeah. Big time boxer. Marlon Starling. But when you were in high school, somebody started doing this prank call and shit on you. And was this? It was all in one night. It was all in one night. Yeah, it was like four voicemails. Was this tied to like a boyfriend? No. Or a girl was jealous? I was at a boyfriend's house when I got the calls. And I just put it aside because it was like blocked numbers. So I was like, I didn't think anything of it. And then when I listened to it, it was some pretty horrific stuff. I definitely cried. You know, I was 17 years old. And then the next day at school, I took this like philosophy class. And like, I don't know what the topic was. I don't know what prompted me to raise my hand and like introduce what had happened last night as like, you know, a segue. Maybe I just need to get off my chest.

15:47But like the teacher like spazzed out and was like, get up. We're going to the principal's office. Like, you know, you have to report this. He brings me into the office. The principal like freaked out. Like she just like the language was like, you know, it was shocking, you know. And then she called like the resource officer. And then like the next period of my life was like a blackout because it turned out that three of the kids I had never even met. Like this was like maybe some kids that had their first beer. One of the kids I was like friends with. But we were arguing because he was upset that I was like spending so much time with my boyfriend. Oh, that's what it was. But he's gay. Like he wasn't like he just was like jealous. Like, you know, like just like I used to hang out with him every day. Started hanging out with my boyfriend. It was a stupid thing. Maybe he wasn't 100% gay. Yeah.

16:28No, he's 100% gay. From what I'm told. But yeah. So he just got petty. Yeah. Jealous. And then it was like, here are my three friends. And we're all going to get drunk and call this black girl. And, you know, it's easy to say awful things into like this. Like you don't have to look at a human being. Like it's easy to say awful things. But unfortunately for me, one of the people in the car happened to be the current governor of Connecticut's son. Oh. So this turned from like some kids prank called to like said some awful things to like front page of the newspaper throughout the entire state of Connecticut. A little bit in New York. NAACP outside of my school. I have to. It was like this situation that was talking about outrage culture. My first like introduction to outrage culture and the things that sort of formed my thoughts.

17:16Like this was a very formative experience in my life, which to me, it was nonpolitical. But it was like my life wasn't mine. Like I went from like sitting down watching. I was watching Talladega Nights with my boyfriend to being the most discussed person in the state of Connecticut. And what was interesting about it was just that because it was the governor of Connecticut's son that was in this car, they had to get the FBI involved to determine the authenticity of the like maybe she called herself. Right. Instead of just saying like, yes, it was my son. He actually let the FBI investigate for six weeks and waited for his son to get arrested six weeks. You know what I mean? Did his son deny it? They just want to see if they could get away with it. Because this is politics. You know what I mean? Like, can we get away with it? Is it plausible for us to get away with it?

17:58You know, so six weeks of the entire state. I didn't like left school. People were like fighting on my behalf. Fighting. You left school? You're like, I'm going to take a break. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. It was just like. Senior year? Yeah. Yeah. Damn. This was just like, it was like a monstrosity of a situation. And it was one of those things where like literally like letters to the editor. It'd be like moms. Like talk about, you know, outrage culture. Right. Like, I don't believe Candace. Like this happened. This girl. I believe she called herself. Like, I'm just looking for attention one night. And I just decided to say I was going to hang my family from a tree. Isn't it funny that someone would even have an opinion on that? It's bizarre. I don't believe her. Who even writes letters to the editor? Like the whole thing is weird retrospectively. Right. Like I don't believe her. But that is what like life is about. Right.

18:43That same lady is probably about to write a YouTube comment. Right now. I don't believe you still. I still don't believe her. This is how you got on fucking Fox News. Yeah. So it was the situation that like was just completely out of my control. And then as quick as it happened, these kids got arrested. And then as quick as it happened, it was over for like everyone. But not for me or these kids. Right. Right. So I never wanted these kids to get arrested. Like if no one like this whole situation was taken out of my hands. People thought I didn't go to the police. Like my teacher went to the police. It turned into the zoo. These kids were labeled publicly racists. Right. The youngest kid in the car was 14. I'm not comfortable with ever labeling a 14 year old racist. Right. Or any of these kids racist. These are kids. And in my opinion, adults that fail to act like adults and adults that fail to take a

19:28step back and say, OK, why would what would prompt these kids do this? Why is it so easy to be mean? Right. Why is it so easy nowadays for children to be mean? And no one to me, like when I really thought about that, I went through like five years of like anorexia because of the situation. Because of that one. Those. Yeah. I was the victim. Yeah. And. Wow. Yeah. You went through anorexia. Yeah. Which is so weird now because like people that know me now are like, there's no way you never didn't eat. But I did. I did like did not eat for like five years. I had issues with anorexia because anorexia is a disease that genuinely is about control. It's about a certain control of your life. And I felt that I had my like my life was fine. And then like people took the narrative and decided to determine what the narrative was. You're an you're you're a victim or maybe you're a liar. You know, you're these kids are racist.

20:17These kids are this. And just nobody really thought that like you actually ruined all of our lives. Right. Like for a little bit. Like these kids went on to have like DUIs and get arrested and got into drugs. And it was because of the pressure of everything that happened. Yeah. And I was like would have been totally cool with an apology. Like, you know what I mean? Like, sorry. Well, good for you for looking at it that way. Yeah. That's hard to do because everybody loves when they are allowed to get outraged. Everybody loves to get outraged. Obviously, what they did to you was horrible. Right. But I think a lot of kids, especially if they're drinking, they don't even understand how stupid and gross it is what they're doing. They just know they can do it and they get a thrill out of it. And then there's that mob mentality when there's like a bunch of people together doing the same thing. Yeah. Exactly.

21:00And you ramp it up and start saying crazy shit. It's really understandable when you just like think about it as a human being and not as somebody who has to have opinion. Like you're like, hey, we're going to call this black girl. Right. You've got a bunch of kids. We're going to just say mean things to her on the phone. And you don't have to look her in the face. Right. It's like if I hold up this pen and I'm like, just say mean stuff like someone's going to get you can say anything to this pen. And so it's sort of it was a formative experience that in retrospect, I understand, has so much to do with why I am who I am. Because I hated that like that label of sex culture and the outrage machine. And then like, oh, OK, we're done. But like, you know, forget the people that whose lives we just like. Now, do you know those people anymore? I don't. I know like the siblings of them because I was friends.

21:43Like, that's the thing. Like one of the people that was involved, I was very good friends with his brother. And it's like, you're just going to tell me this kid's like a racist. Like I actually knew the kid's mother, you know, like nobody cared. It was just a hot story. They weren't necessarily racist, but they were just stupid and mean and being shitty kids. And they knew that that was a way that they could scare you. Right. That they could just. And they might have been drunk, you know, like drunk. Maybe it was their first beer. Right. But people. I doubt it. Can do. Well, the youngest was 14. Oh, wow. And this person was labeled a racist. Like that's to me is like, that's harsh. And people say, oh, you're too forgiving. Well, how do you not label them a racist? Because what they said was most certainly racist. Yes. The words are racist. Right. Can somebody.

22:25I guess the question is, can somebody say something, say a word that is racist and not be a racist human being? Yes. I think. No. I'm going to tell you why. Yes. Okay. Okay. It was somebody stand up. I was watching. I actually don't remember who it was. Like maybe it was Louis CK. I don't know. But he was saying how he like instantly turns into a racist. Like if somebody cuts him off and it's like a Chinese person, like he like instantly. The first thing he says is like something to do with him being Chinese. Right. Right. And there's a little bit of that in all of us. Like I was walking through New York City the other day and like a huge bus like just happened to like stop in front of me and like literally 45 Asians got off and suddenly I was just like, I couldn't like walk and around. I'm like, oh, I was like, why do Asians always travel in packs? Right. Like the most bizarre thing.

23:08Like I don't have an issue with them taking a bus and traveling. And then afterwards I giggled. I was like, what a stupid thing. What a stupid thought to even had to have because I'm frustrated in the moment that I can't like get my bearings in New York City. So, yes, I think that people in a moment of frustration, of anger, if you add alcohol, if you add Ambien, right, and are coming from a place of upset, they can just do something that's stupid without holding this like word for the rest of their life. You're 14, you're racist and forever you are a racist. That's harsh, man. Yeah, you don't recover from that. Yeah. Well, especially today. Today, nobody wants anybody to recover from anything. That's right. They want to know that you're dead. Yeah, it's over. Your career is done. Your life is over. You've said the wrong thing. You've done the wrong thing.

23:57I mean, obviously there's some reasons for some people to be puny. Like Harvey Weinstein is a perfect example. That guy should be in jail. Of course. For sure. This is rape. He's a rapist. Yeah, this is rape. At least alleged rapist. For sure, he's done a lot of horrible shit. Correct. But then there's people that like, what did Samantha Bee say today? She called Ivanka a cunt? Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Yeah. What happens there? Think she gets in trouble? I bet she doesn't. She's not going to get in trouble. I bet she doesn't because this is left wing. She's left wing. It's okay. It's a safe space to say sorry on the left. Have you seen some of the shit that Keith Oberman has said about Trump? And he got a job at ESPN. Yeah. They don't care. There are fucking so many tweets that he put out that are crazy calling Trump a Nazi and fuck you. Think about what people say about Ben Carson and black conservatives. Yes.

24:45Ben Carson was literally called a porch monkey. And that's totally fine. He's black. It doesn't matter. They've created this system. But who is it that did it though? It wasn't like a famous person. No, it was a famous person. Absolutely called him a porch monkey. Was it a famous black person? It was a famous black person. Yeah. That's like if I call a guy a guinea. Yeah. But it's a porch monkey is like a notic. I don't care who it's coming from. Right? Yeah. But black people are allowed to say racist shit to other black people. But is that okay? It's not okay. Right? None of it's okay. Like the Uncle Toms, the Coons, the stuff that. But we got weird laws or rules culturally. And I don't like those laws and rules. So I push back. I hear you. Yeah. I agree. Well, it's definitely hypocritical. Yeah. Someone was saying that there's a tweet that I retweeted today. That Smallville girl.

25:31That Smallville show is still on the air. And that girl is apparently, she's admitted to sex trafficking and that some of it was her idea. I read this. Smallville still on the air. And they're pulling Roseanne from Hulu. Right. Roseanne swears she did not know that lady was black. Right. She swears. I mean, she doesn't look like if you don't. Allison Mack says branding the sex slaves was her idea. Branding them. Nice, Allison. That means like burning a logo into their bodies. Right. What is wrong with that? I don't know enough about that story. Right. But that bitch must be off the charts. Right. She's crazy. Yeah. Woo. But it's only acceptable. Like if you have any ties whatsoever to conservative thought, if you have even liked a tweet that Trump sent out, forget about it. Forget about it. Well, I'm not even conservative, but I have conservative people on. Could you talk to conservatives?

26:23And people call me alt-right and all this crazy shit. They're just looking to silence and label. Right. They're obsessed with labels. And I hate that. I hate the idea that you can't say something like they were literally, I mean, everyone piled in. Every celebrity on the sun piled in when I tweeted a couple of weeks ago that I was having a conversation. I don't know if you saw this. I was like, I was having a conversation at lunch because I've just been observing Chelsea Handler. I just think she's a weird person. Like, I don't know what happened because I used to really like her like, you know, 10 years ago. That's when you were liberal. Yeah. But like when she was, I had her show, like she was not politically correct. I mean, I don't know if anybody remembers the show Chelsea Lately, but she was making fun of everybody. And now with the era of Trump, she's like, something's weird.

27:06Well, she's getting older and I think she wants to be an activist now. And I think she's looking for more meaning and importance. Because she doesn't have a family or children. And I tweet that. Oh, you tweeted that? I tweeted that. I was going to not say that. I was going to not say that. So I tweet that. I'm like, I'm talking to like a friend at lunch. I was. And we were talking about like why some of these like older women have just gone bonkers. And, you know, my friend made a comment. She's like, if you don't like use your eggs, they scramble. Like just saying like these. Oh, shit. That my friend said. But I didn't even tweet that. I didn't tweet that. Your friend. You put that shit on a t-shirt. It's really funny. If you don't use your eggs, they scramble. So I was like cracking up. I know. But there's something there. Right. It's it's there's something there. It's not politically correct.

27:47But I observed the pattern of Kathy Griffin. I observed the pattern of Chelsea Handler and Sarah Silverman on the fence. Not as bad, but in that neighborhood. So I tweet out. Do you think there's something associated like between like women who don't have children and they need something to nurture and foster and try to raise? And in this sense, it's society. Like they are just trying to parent the hell out of society. And do you think Sarah does that? Sarah goes back and forth. She seems more. She's a kind person. She's like she's a kind person. But there's something like once in a while. I'm just like, what? Like I did actually go back when I said, you know what, Sarah? I shouldn't put you in the same category as Kathy and Chelsea. But it's like they're like obsessed with like everything. And they're completely wrong and educated about everything. And yet they think they can say whatever they want.

28:31So I tweet this. And I mean, everyone was like you delete the tweet. Like Ellen, the Ellen Show's producers. Like I mean, Jake Tapper. Like delete the tweet. I was like, I'm not deleting. Wait, Jake Tapper told you to delete? Yeah, Jake Tapper jumps into this. He told you to delete the tweet? You know, he said like this is literally. So I tweet this. It has nothing to do with Trump, anybody. He's like, this is the girl who like supports Trump and works for Turning Point USA, which loves Trump. I'm like, what is the weirdest like logical jump ever? Jake Tapper said that? Yeah. And I just like I'm like, Jake, Jake, stop yourself. Like, come on. So and everyone was just like delete the tweet. And I was just like, how about what was the actual wording of the tweet? I think my exact words were at lunch with a friend talking about like how bizarre Chelsea Handler, Kathy Griffin and Sarah Silverman.

29:17So Sarah Silverman just tweeted something like pro MS-13. It was like a whole Israel. Like it was bizarre, you know, and how crazy they've gotten. And then I just said, like, do you think that something really happens to women if they don't have, you know, children? And that was just a question. It's a question. Isn't that bizarre that that's such a hot spot? It's like, you're going after a soft spot on them. You leave them alone. Yeah, yeah. They're on our team. Right. But you could say anything about like Sarah Huckabee Sanders. That's what I said. I was like, imagine if you could say anything to Ivanka. This girl's not even going to lose her job. Right. That's true. She called her. And she can say anything to Ivanka. You can say anything to Sarah Sanders. Anything to anybody. To me. Right. Anybody that supports Trump, it doesn't matter.

29:52But then like these women who literally go after these people, like the amount of vitriol that Chelsea Handler has thrown to Ivanka, you know, to every single woman in the world. Chrissy Teigen's also like a net. Like she's just like angry. Like, you know, just like hate, hate, hate. And then like you say one thing about them and like they're like, how could you even question? How could you even ask the question if it's because they don't have kids? And I'm like, the fact that you guys are so outraged makes me sort of think that, you know. Might be a point there. Yeah. Yeah. A little bit. And I didn't delete the tweet. If you didn't have any point at all, it wouldn't work. Right. And that way. They would just be like, this is stupid. Yeah. No one would be upset at you. They're like, look at this person. She doesn't know what the fuck she's talking about. And I tweeted that.

30:30I was like, there's got to be something here because you guys are all losing your minds. You know? So Sarah Silverman responded. Kathy Griffin was like, they went nuts. This was like a full on like. Well, Kathy Griffin is so happy someone's talking about her. I know. I know. She's like, yeah, but she's bizarre. And they've gotten bizarre. And at one point, these people to me were funny. And something sort of just happened. And like Trump is the means. Like they, whatever they're going through in life, the outlet is Trump. And anybody that likes Trump. Well, people think there's a cultural war going on. There most certainly is. There is for sure. But, you know, so they feel like they're on a side and they have to, you know, they're going to lob grenades. Right. They're in the war. Yeah. And it gives people, it also gives people a sense of purpose.

31:09Like that engaging in these Twitter fights somehow or another is like reinforcing the good behavior and shutting down the bad behavior. Right. I don't necessarily believe that. Even if I don't agree with someone online, I very rarely tweet about them. I'm not. I just, I feel like I try at this stage in my life to avoid conflict as much as possible unless it comes to writing jokes. Sometimes some people got to get, they got to take the hit. I know. Usually when I go after someone, like, I mean, I'm not at that phase in my life where it's all peace. Like I'm definitely a person that'll just say something. But usually it's just in like, that's what I thought. Like, you know, it's not as thoughtful. Like, and people are like back down or you can't like, you know, like this morning or yesterday, like Ben Shapiro and I got into like a little spat and we actually like each other.

31:54But like, I just, I'm genuinely annoyed by his behavior online. Like it's genuine. Yeah. I just find him to be like, like, and by the way, I like him. Like, that's the thing that's bizarre. It's like, I think people think there's much more like hate between us than there is. It's like, nah, it's just like genuinely like I read his tweets and I'm like, dude, just shut up. What did he say? What did he say? It's just like the little like petty things that he throws at Trump sometime that are so unnecessary. And like, he just, he reminds me, well, no, it's not even Trump. It's like, he, like Kim Kardashian goes to, you know, get Alice Marie Johnson. Like she's been fighting for this for years. She put all of her money into a legal team to do this. Like, and that's not the only case she's been working on, like actually trying to help these people get clemency.

32:31And she takes a picture and he's like, he says something just very Ben Shapiro. He was like, we should not be worshiping. But I don't think he's worshiping us. Taking a meeting with Kim Kardashian's not worshiping a celebrity. That's a little extreme of an analysis for a meeting. And the picture is taken. Like, you know, I visited the president. There's a full time photographer and every person that meets the president, you get a picture in the, in the Oval Office. It's like a part of the system. And yeah. So I was just like, dude, shut up. Like, you know, like I didn't say shut up. I said like, essentially. Well, he's got a good point in a way. We really shouldn't be worshiping celebrity for the sake of celebrity and especially reality show celebrity. I mean, it doesn't mean that she couldn't have a very valid point about prison reform. That's what I'm saying. And that's what I'm saying.

33:14She wasn't like, I think he said something like we shouldn't allow celebrities to shape policy. She didn't go there to shape policy. She literally had a case that she's been trying to get part in. The only person that can do that happens to be President Donald Trump. It's actually, you know, what she's trying to do is actually very honorable. That's what I said. I said, listen, like, and she's been working on it for a year. She's actually into this now. Like, she's into this, like prison reform. And I'm passionate about it. Like, I grew up seeing my uncles in prison. So like, for me, the only time that I like snap back at anyone is if it's something that I care about. And obviously, like, I really am passionate about black America. I'm really passionate about the changes that can happen for black America. And prison reform is something I'm really passionate about.

33:49So I've been observing, like, how hard Jared Kushner's been working on this, how hard Ivanka has been working on this, and have really understood what they're trying to do. Like, you know, I went to the prison reform summit a month ago. And Kim, in this, she doesn't even, like, agree with Trump on a lot of stuff. She's thrown, you know, some shade at him. But this is something that's Alice Marie Johnson case she was doing before Trump got into office. You know what I love about the picture of her and him? What? She's like, where the fuck over here? Yeah. If I was taking a picture with Donald, I'd be hugging on him. I'd be like, what's up? Yeah, what's up? Yeah. I'd be like, ha! Yeah. But she cares about just the case. But look how far away she is from him. Look at her. Yeah. Look at all that air. Look at all that air between the two of them.

34:28I will say it is awkward, though, because his desk is a lot lower than you realize. That's actually a little closer than I thought it was. Like, stand up straight like she's standing. Or, like, bend like I bent when I was in there. Yeah. Which is also kind of weird, too. So it's like, you see people either like this, or they're like this, and there's no in between. We could do, like, 1950s movie star picture like this. Yeah. Like, lean. Exactly. That's what I should have done. Yeah. Actually, she's closer than I thought she was. I felt like, maybe I put it in my own head. She actually looks pretty goddamn good right there. She's gorgeous, by the way. She doesn't look anything like she used to look, but whoever did that. Nobody does nowadays. No, no, no, no, no. Congratulations, Mr. Surgeon. You did some fucking awesome work. She's plump. Yeah. She looks good. Looks good. Yeah.

35:10But I guess the question is, can a celebrity do a good act? You know? Sure. Of course the answer is yes. Well, I mean, that's what Chelsea Handler's trying to do. I mean, that's like, she's donating. But she really is. She donated a million dollars to Puerto Rico. Oh, right. Which is good. Yeah. That's good. That should be celebrated. That's what she's trying to do with all of her money now. She doesn't even give a fuck about, like, show business anymore. Which is good. All of that stuff. Like, when they do stuff like that, it's great and it's honorable. But, like, the stuff that I hate that celebrities do and which I differentiate from, and I guess this confuses people, is when they just give their opinion. Like, we, you know, at, like, the Emmys and they're on stage just, like, teaching all of us about how wrong, you know, our opinions are. It's like, I don't need this celebrity grandstanding. Yeah.

35:51Like, you know, if there's an issue you care about other than the fact that people disagree with you, then sure, do that. If you care about, like, Ashton Kutcher going after sex trafficking, celebrate that. That's cool. Like, Kim Kardashian going over after crime justice reform, celebrate that. That's cool. But when you get these celebrities that just get up there and try to deliver a tear, it's like, shut up. Literally nobody cares what you think. Like... Well, they care enough that that person's got that platform and they feel like this is their opportunity to say something significant. I know. I'm like, can we just go back to, like, thanking God? And also, they're for sure 100% virtue signaling. Yeah. 100% letting everybody know how moral and ethical they are. Even if they are. I mean, this is, it's just, those fucking award shows are weird as shit. They're weird. It's weird. They're weird.

36:33You should go up there and you should say, thank you. Thanks a lot. This is awesome. Thank you. Thank you to the man upstairs. Thank you, Odin. Thank you, Thor. Yeah. Thanks to my producer. Remember the days when they used to do that? Yeah. They used to say a couple of names of producers. Come up with a little piece of paper and then they used to always thank the man upstairs. You know who fucked us? And they used to go down. Now they have, like, the face and the emotion. You know who did it? You know who started it off? Who started this? Marlon motherfucking Brando. Really? Yeah. In between having sex with everyone, Marlon Brando apparently fucked Richard Pryor. He fucked, who else did he fuck? He fucked a bunch of different people. I've read this. A bunch of different famous dudes. Was one Marvin Gaye? Am I making that up completely? Yeah, I think it was Marvin Gaye.

37:12I think one was, like, it was said it was Marvin Gaye, but it's, you know, it's most humorous. Definitely Pryor. Pryor's wife admitted it, which to me as a huge Pryor fan, that was a spike through the heart. Quincy said he would fuck anything, in quotes. Yeah, I bet he would. If he fucked Richard Pryor. I mean, what the hell? Yeah. He started this. So he started this because when he won the Academy Award for, I want to say it was Apocalypse Now, he had a Native American guy go on stage and take it in his place to highlight the plight of Native Americans. Maybe it was a different movie. But it became his big political speech. So annoying. Marlon Brando was crazy. Yeah. For the Godfather. The Godfather. Yeah. Thank you. So he had this guy go up and accept the award in his place and give some speech. It was a woman? Yeah. Oh, okay. So then it just became like a culture of like trying to one up each other.

38:02Is that what's going on? I don't even know if it really was him. But I just know that that was a big one. It's unbearable. You know, it's just like. It's a little odd. Yeah. And I can't stand it. It drives me insane. But that's a huge difference. That doesn't mean that I think that celebrities can't do good in the world. It's just that like this celebrity grandstanding. Give me some volume on this, Jamie. It's unbearable. Look at Roger Moore looking all good. Oh, so this woman. Hold on. Go back to. Marlon Brando, the Godfather. And so now. Accepting the award for Marlon Brando and the Godfather, Miss Sashin Littlefeather. Littlefeather. Her name's Littlefeather. Holy shit. And look at them. They're like, we can't say shit. Even back then, nobody knew what to do. Like. My name is Sashin Littlefeather. I'm a bitch. And I'm president of the National Native American Affirmative Image Committee. She's hot as fuck.

38:54She's really pretty. And he has asked me to tell you in a very long speech, which I cannot share with you presently because of time, but I will be glad to share with the press afterwards. I'm like really uncomfortable. Very regretful. I cannot accept this very generous award. And the reasons for this being are the treatment of American Indians today by the film industry. Excuse me. People are booing. Some are clapping. And on television, in movie reruns, and also with recent happenings at Wounded Knee. Wounded Knee. I beg at this time that I have not intruded upon this evening and that we will, in the future, our hearts and our understandings will meet with love. Wounded Knee. Pause for a second. Isn't that what was going on just a, isn't it the same place where a couple years ago? No, that wasn't Wounded Knee. What was that? Standing Rock. Right. Okay. Yeah. Wounded Knee. Oh, crazy. Standing Rock.

40:09Wounded Knee. Wow. I did not know that, like, this is. Heavy Head. Wow. This is where it all began. That's where it all began. Wow. So then, since then, people have just been trying to one-up each other. Maybe. I might have made that up. She never won. Like, she, like, won. Yeah. She came in around the perfect time. Yeah. She was like, yes. NBC wrote, this is our president. Right. It was like. They tweeted it. It's insane. It's like, they're not even pretending, which I appreciate now. They're not pretending to be the news anymore. Like, you know, they're just like, we hate Trump and we are the propaganda machine that will tell you, like, you know. What was NBC on Twitter? It was just the NBC Twitter. It said something like. It was. I saw it. I saw it. I saw it. And I was just like, wow. Yeah. Wow. And then everyone was like, it was like the opposite of outrage culture, which I don't even know what it is. Run, run, run.

40:51You have to run. Because, like, you gave a speech. The woman who brought you the secret and Dr. Oz. Yeah. No. It's just, like, I can't take anything seriously anymore. So. Well, there's things to be taken seriously. But celebrities probably aren't on that list. Yeah. It's hard. So Ben Shapiro's right. Yeah. No. Well, he's right about this. You know. But he was, like, trying to correlate, like, what Kim did, like, with Alice Marie Johnson with, like, that. And I'm like, come on, man. That's, like, totally different. And just in general. Like, sometimes he just gets a little, like, hall monitor for me. Like, you know. Like, it's just, like. Well, he can't help himself. I know. He's a funny guy. Yeah. He's very snarky. I like him a lot. I like him, too. That's the thing. It's like, we actually really get along. But, like, the hall monitor. I know these types in school. Like, I was in their classes. You know.

41:31Like, they're just, like, you're, like, late to school. Right. Like, the last person you want to see is, like, the hall monitor. Like, you know. Like, the idea. Like, that she would be late. Yeah. Like, he's writing you a pink slip. That just gives it to me, Ben. All right? Like, right? Like, you know. This is a gateway to Saturday school. Like, it's just, like. That's a good impression of him. It's just. It's so bad. You gotta talk a little faster, though. Yeah. Yeah. He talks a little faster. You can't even understand what he's saying. What he's saying sometimes. Yeah. You're like, I can't do that. How do you do that? How do you do that? I can't do that. And he's doing it sober. He's not, like. No. Some dudes who do that, they're all Adderalled up. Right. No. He's on the natch. Yeah. He does that, man. But I like him. Like, I liked these kids in school. I'd just be like, you know. I was just the kid that was just, like.

42:11Kind of, like, more chill. And, like. I don't need to, like. And sometimes when he just goes over stupid stuff. It's like. But I do wonder, like. If he's learning anymore. That's the one thing. Man? Like. Yeah. Because he doesn't like to have, like. It's like once he has an opinion. Like. I like to be. Like to have conversations. And I like to be wrong about the conversations. Because I don't know everything. I think that's kind of, like. Why people love this podcast so much. Because you're open to learning anything. Like, you'll have people on this podcast. You're like. Who's he having? You know? Because there's some. There's always something that you can learn. There's always something that you don't understand. That you don't know. If you have an open mind. If you have an open mind. Yeah. Right. And I think that in many ways. And that, like. Sometimes he's just not open to learning about certain things.

42:50And that somebody might know something about a culture. Right. Beyond what he knows. And it's just like. Nope. That, like. The idea. Right. Like. It's just. It drives me crazy. But I like him. Ben is really fucking smart. Yes. And that's the problem. That's the problem. Exactly. He thinks other people are stupid. He thinks everyone is stupid. You're not as smart as me. You can't talk as fast as me. Yeah. That's it. You know? Like. I hated. Like. I got so annoyed with like. The Kanye West. Like. Four seconds. He writes an article saying Kanye West is just crazy. And I'm like. Who did this? Ben did? Yeah. And I wrote him an email. I was just like. Dude. Like. I understand that to you. And the way that you've done your life. This doesn't make sense. Right. But this is actually really important. For black people to see this. The Kanye West thing? It was the most important thing. Which thing was it? Him. Like. You know. Him tweeting out.

43:32I love the way Canstone sings. But beyond that. Saying that he openly supported the president. So I can see why Ben shuts something like that down initially. Because to him. Like. Culture is not the way you talk about politics. Right. Like. Because he's by the book. But he has to understand that. By the book is not the way people in the hood are being raised. By the book is not the way people in the projects are being raised. These people have had their families destroyed and decimated. By. By the welfare system. Right. The fathers aren't even at the homes. You know. The single motherhood rate jumped from 25% in 1965 to 74% today. And so these kids turn to culture. To father them. They turn to Jay-Z and Beyonce and hip-hop and Kanye. And to tell them what's right and what's wrong. So for so long. Because the left has had a stranglehold on culture. They've had a stranglehold on black America.

44:14So the most significant thing that opened up this dialogue. Beyond the work that I was doing. Was this like. Simple tweet. And this simple show of support from Kanye West. And I was so frustrated that he had to like in that moment. Just right. Like dismiss him as crazy. It's just like dude. Like just be willing to learn. Like you know. Just be willing to say like. I don't understand. Why the hell this is the way that this is. Black people want to talk about politics. Right. But maybe there's something here. And I always understood that culture was the most important vertical. When Charlie and I first met and we sat down. I defined three verticals. I don't know who Charlie is. Charlie Kirk. You mentioned him a couple times. Charlie Kirk. I don't know Charlie Kirk. Okay. So Charlie Kirk is like this 18 year old. Like we started Turning Point USA who I worked for when he was 18. And he is like a savant.

44:56They call him like Trump's boy wonder. Like he's a brilliant. If you want to talk about like smart. Like the smartest person I know is Charlie Kirk. Hands down. And he's only 24. He didn't. He didn't go to college. Just like. I don't know. Just like. Just reading weird stuff when he was seven. You know. I don't know. Like just like things that everyone's like. Oh yeah. I just read that Thomas Sowell. He's like. Yes. I read it when I was six. You know. I'm like. What? Am I Charlie. Could you not say that? Could you be cool? But so. When Charlie and I met. And I like. I told him like my plan to sort of help black America. And to wake them up. Because I understood how we had fallen victim to this brainwash. What brainwash is that? The leftist dogma. Just this idea that because we're black we have to vote Democrat and anybody that is not a Democrat is racist and against helping us.

45:36That is like what so many black Americans believe. I believed it. I believed it. You know what I mean? So. And I'm a pretty smart girl. You know. I've always been a very smart girl. I've always. I've always been. You know. I've excelled. In. In. Academics. Right. So. How did I fall victim to it? The exact same system. Right. These three verticals. The first being the family. The breakdown of the family. The second one. Being culture. Which then. To me. Like growing up. It was like Jay-Z. Like Jay-Z was God to me. Like I like would throw on. Like I was. You know. I went through a lot of stuff when I was a kid. I didn't have a great family. You know. But I would throw on a Jay-Z album. And like whatever he said. Was like. It was like going to church. You know. And then. And I can't stand him now. But the third vertical. You can't stand him now? No. Because he knows exactly what he's doing. And he's a traitor. But.

46:17The third vertical being education. Which was. What a casual aside. He's a traitor. Yeah. It's like. Like Beyonce. Because he knows what's happening to black America. And he's somebody that built his entire career. Off the backs of black America. You know. Of being the guy who started in the hood. In. In. You know. Queens. And worked. You know. Was a drug dealer. And worked his way up. And he became the idol for so many people in black America. And then he stands on stage. And endorses Hillary Clinton. He stands on stage. And tells black America. To put the same people in. In the White House. That locked up more black men. Than any president in the history of the United States. Bill Clinton. Right. The person that stands on the crime bill of 94. Is Bill Clinton. But because Jay-Z is now focused on getting a piece of the pie. The globalist piece of the pie. He doesn't care about black America. That's. That's my opinion. So.

47:02Do you think that's what it was? Or do you think that maybe he thought that Donald Trump represented a lot of racist white people? He didn't want that in office. Oh God no. You don't think so? Not even kind of. No? You don't think he felt that? Not for a single second. How do you know? Because Jay-Z is very smart. Did you speak to him? No. I didn't speak to him. I just. I know. Like it's. There's a certain thing where like I just. I know that Jay-Z and Beyonce betrayed the black community. Like they are. So you think they did it purposely for financial gain? Yeah. I think. Yeah. I think that they were interested in having. They want to be the people that control the world. And they felt that Hillary Clinton. Like you know they were working with Obama very closely. And very clearly now we know that the Obama administration worked very hard to get Hillary Clinton into office. Right.

47:40And they wanted to stay in that group. And so they supported Hillary Clinton who was selected behind closed doors. Forget the American people. Right. To be the next president of the United States. Yeah. Selected certainly by the DNC. Yeah. Oh 100%. But beyond that. It was in bed with Obama. You know she was our secretary of state. And she was doing deals behind closed doors. And Jay-Z and Beyonce were a part of that clique. Right. So they were a part of the celebrated celebrities that were allowed to go to the White House. Right. And they'd wear the ties. And everybody would be taking photo ops. But it was a cool thing to be friends with Obama. Right. Like nobody wants to go to the White House and like celebrities. It's hard to get celebrities to go with Trump. There's so much controversy attached to it. Because they get attacked. It could damage your career. Yeah. They get attacked. Look at Roseanne.

48:23They get attacked by people on the left and right. Part of what's happening with Roseanne is not just that she made a racist tweet. It's because she supports Trump. Even though she didn't know it was racist. She supports Trump. And then her character supports Trump. Correct. And people were looking for something to hate her over. Right. And she handed it to them. You know. Well, it's just you stick your neck out in that way. Yeah. And you're just. People on the left, for sure, look at anyone who's a Trump supporter as an open target. Right. Even if they're a reasonable person. Yeah. Even if they're a person who's kind and measured and very, you know, even keeled. Yeah. Yeah. It's like the nicest person I think I've ever met is Ivanka Trump. Right. You know. And she's like never responds, never punches back. And look what they, how they treat her. Well, that's how Samantha Bee did it.

49:07But yeah, other people have gone after her too. All the time they go after Ivanka. And I'm like, she's like such a kind person. But it's just because like her father is Donald Trump. So it's open season. Yeah. And it's, it's, that's, that's why Jake Tapper jumps into a tweet about Chelsea Handler and tries to correlate Trump. It's like they're obsessed with people that like Trump. I like Trump. I don't know what to say. I like the guy. I think he's really funny. I took a photo of Jake Tapper on the news the day of the election. We did a comedy, we did a podcast from the comedy store. We call it the end of the world podcast with a bunch of people. Cause we're like, whoever the fuck wins, it's the end of the world. So we had this live podcast and I went into the green room afterwards to the comedian's bar and Jake Tapper was on TV and he was so bummed out. And I took a photo of him, like him on the screen.

49:55You can tell. Yeah. Like the sadness. I remember his face. He was, he was really sad. He was like a sad puppy. Do you see if you can find it? Oh my God. It's really funny. He was so bummed out. I think Mike Cernovich did the best, like, like he spliced together, like all of the clips of just like, it was exceptional. The news anchors and the emotion that was coming out of them. He did some like, um, the crazy thing is all of them that said he'll never win. I know. He'll never win. And now we have that forever. Yeah. Right. You know, it's forever. They laughed. They laughed. I remember there was a moment where like Ann Coulter, they said, so who do you have winning? And she says, Donald Trump. And they broke into laughter. Like the cool kids. Yeah. The cool kids at the, um, at the lunch table. And that's really how they've been acting. Like they're not interested.

50:33They think that they're the cool kids at the lunch table and they get to define what's cool. And they're, they're just having a rude awakening right now. And it's beautiful to watch. I love it. I love it. Everybody loves an upset too. Yeah. People love an upset. And then they also, once their team gets in, then they want to support their team. So they fucked up by making it tribal. They really did. I know. You go tribal right versus left. People go, well, fuck these guys. Fuck Jake Tapper. I'm going on this side. That's my team now. Woo. Go Steelers. And then that's what happens. It's like, it's like teams. It's like sports fanatics right now. It doesn't even matter. Like there's little sense anymore. It's just like, this is the team that I've pledged my life to. And a part of that is ego. Like you just spent how many months calling everybody racist, sexist, deplorable.

51:16Are you really going to go, man, you know what? I was wrong. They have to hold on to something. Right. And I see that because like, you know, when I went to this, um, prison reform summit, um, Van Jones was there and, and Donald Trump was speaking. And it was like love between them. It was love. This is the guy that said white lash, you know, right after the election. And he, you know, but how, how can he go back from that? It's very hard to, you know, pedal backward from that. So half of them are fake. In my opinion, I find them to be fake because I've seen them behind closed doors. They don't feel that animosity for the president because it's hard to, he's really likable. I mean like his presence when you meet him, he's very aware of himself. He's aware of the jokes that are being made about him. He'll make the jokes about himself. And yeah, he's, he's likable. He's got, he just has something about him.

51:59What about like when he makes a tweet a Memorial day saying that the dead soldiers would be really happy to know how good the economy is doing and how, you know, black unemployment is its lowest it's ever been. Like that shit was ridiculous. I actually missed that tweet. I'm just laughing because I, every time someone says a Trump tweet, I just like, I laugh. I just think it's funny. Well, someone wrote that he put the me in Memorial day. That was an article about it. I mean, it was one of, I'm telling you, man, we're going in a different direction. Like I predict in 2020, like he's not going to go on scene and he's going to like be here. Like, it's like, he just wants to talk and, and it's really hard. It's really hard for these people to speak because what happens is they go onto a stage and the room, they love him. Like, right. Everyone loves him because he's really likable.

52:42You can't be in a room with Trump and not laugh and like him. But then they take, Jake Tapper is wearing out his fingers right now. I know. I know. I know. This crazy. But then they take away the clips and they, they splice it up and they make it look like he said something bad. But what they're doing is it's, it's a terrible game to play because you're not just lying on Trump. You're lying on 50,000 people, you know, the thousands of people that are there to hear him speak. Right? Like, so they're playing a game where then those people get pissed off. Wait a minute. You think they're playing a game where they're, they're misinterpreting the things that he said? He said plenty of shit. But the way they, the way they spliced it up, like, for example, when that, like that, that moment when he says, oh, if this was the old days, we, we take you, we take you out to the back.

53:20Like, you know, do you remember that moment when he said while he was running and somebody was, you know, causing a circus in the crowd and like, he was like, get him out of here. And then the way they ran it. Right. Like, oh, like in the, in the old days when they used to like, you know, hang black people from trees. Like what? What? I think he literally meant that you used to be able to get your ass kicked. Yeah. That's how they spin it. Right. And then the same thing with like, when he said to black people, what do you have to lose? Prior to that, he had listed every stat where quite literally you got 10 of it. You're like, I don't have anything to lose here. You know? But then they get that clip and they're like, oh, Trump is insulting black America. He's saying that they all live in, no, he's saying that statistically speaking, if

53:55you look at the people that live in the projects, look at the people that are in poverty, it is black America. So he's asking the current, the past administrations have not been serving you. What do you have to lose? So it frustrates me because it's like, you see that, that they mix it up and they try to divide the country. But at the end of the day, unfortunately for them, he's actually really likable. And same for Don Trump Jr. Like, I mean, they're, they're really funny. They're really likable and they're aware of themselves. Like they're in on the joke guys. Like, well, Jamie was telling me the other day that they made some video. What was the video that they made? See if you can find that video. It was really funny where they're all mocking themselves about that. What was it about? The Laurel and, um. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The two words.

54:36I actually haven't even heard the words that everyone was talking about. I haven't either. I'm like, fuck you. I'm not paying attention to that stupid shit. I will not listen to the word. Yeah. It's just a, which word do you hear? It's a little power in my life. I don't care. I don't care. I literally don't care. I didn't even listen to the word. Yeah. But yeah, they made fun of themselves. Yeah. Let's see it. We'll play it. Kelly and Conway was the best. Give it to us from the beginning, young Jamie. Oh, this is a different one. That's a different one? No, they just, the news put it up, so I gotta get the real one. Oh, okay, okay. I think it's straight here. It's, it's hilarious that they have, I mean, this is, this is actually a very clever thing to do. Because they, but they're all like that. Like, Ivanka, like, they're all aware of the joke. Like, they're in on it. They're gonna hit you on an ad here, for sure.

55:12Yeah. Do you got an ad blocker on? Yeah. You clever bastard. Here we go. It's so clearly Laurel. It's Laurel. Definitely Laurel. It's Laurel. But I could deflect and divert to Yanny if you need me to. Why does it do that? Why does it freeze like that? Yanny. Definitely Yanny. Yanny's... I don't know. It's... Probably needs to be... It's a winner. Laurel's a loser. Sarah, it's been reported that you hear Laurel. How do you respond? Clearly you're getting your information from CNN, because that's fake news. All I hear is Yanny. Oh, man. That's Laurel. Laurel. Stop this. It's Laurel. What is wrong here? I don't know if there's something going on today. The thing's messing up. What is messing up? The... TriCaster? Yeah. We gotta do that thing we were talking about and fix that. Anyway. It's just... The idea is that these people had the sense of humor. Right. And then Trump at the end, he's doing it? Yeah. What is he saying?

56:11Who's Yanny? I hear Covfefe. Yeah. Come on. That's funny. Yeah. That's the thing. They're in on the joke. And I think that people don't realize how in on the joke they are. He's aware that you say all of this stuff about the fact that he tweets out and says all of this stuff. Don Trump Jr. is aware that he's a billionaire son. And that's what people say. Oh, you're a billionaire son. They're so funny. And it's sad that people don't get to see that side. So I actually do hope that they all come on this show. Because people should actually see how hilarious they are and how aware of themselves. They're like the most, to me, in my opinion, the most likable, relatable first family of my lifetime. Like, you know, I can't speak to anyone. But they're so... You didn't think that Obama and Michelle were likable or relatable? Oh, my God. No? Oh, my God. Are you... Obama... You don't think he's a likable guy? You just...

57:00You know what's funny? I was at a dinner last night with people that came over from Cuba. And this woman said that when she first heard Obama speak, and she was way older, she broke down crying because it reminded her of the first time she heard Fidel Castro speak, which is a bizarre thing to say. Right? I was just like, what? I don't know anything. I've never been to Cuba. And they got scared that America was going to turn into a communist country. It was with a bunch of Cubans. What? Yeah. Crazy, right? Like, it literally came out of their mouths. Yes. They might have PTSD. But what they know, but what they say, it could be. It could be. But what they were saying was like the veneer of it all. Like, you know, it was like exactly what you wanted to hear Obama said in the perfect tone, with the perfect hand mannerism, with, you know, with the, I don't know, the perfect inflection in his voice.

57:47And there's something about that to me, like, especially the person that I am, that just was super inauthentic. And I'm not saying, by the way, when Obama won in 2008, I cried. Like, let's, let's, let's, let me not be fake here. Like, I was like, I was like, he's black. I'm black. Everything's going to be great. You know? But, you know, as things went on and I was watching him, it just, everything seemed so fake and he wasn't really doing anything. So I just don't respond to that sort of a personality. I like people that are authentic. And I think if that's why Trump coming in behind him, um, was so relatable as a president, like there's this theory and it's a good one by Tamir Karan that why do like revelation revolutions take place unexpectedly? You could argue that right now America is having a revolution.

58:28It's, we're not out there shooting each other, but there's an ideological revolution, a cultural war, if you want to call it, that's taking place. And to many people, this seems unexpected, right? Obama was in office and then like, whoa, went to Donald Trump, you know? And the theory is that when you're, when the public and the private of an individual, our personas get too far apart, a natural revolution takes place. And society really has just been so fake. I mean, like everything offends you everywhere you go. People get offended by people's hair. Like literally Karanians will put their hair in, in, um, braids and the whole internet will explode saying that they need to pay tribute to Africa. Like the crazy, I'm like, I have never in my life looked at someone's hair and felt emotional. Like, I'm just like, whatever you're doing, your hair is fine with me.

59:10Like if you took the time to do it, it's fine with me. But the idea is just that as a culture, we've become so fake. Do you think that that's fake? I think there's people just looking and get angry at things. I think it's, it's fake. Particularly the braids thing. It's fake. It's fake. It's 100%. There's no person that can tell me that like the first time they saw a braid on someone's hair and upset them, but then somebody told them that they should be upset. But like privately when they're at home, do you really think that they get upset when they're watching TV? Yes, I think they do. I think there's some people that get upset at a lot of stupid shit. I just don't think, I don't think they're inauthentic with their, their being upset. I just think their focus and their anger is just misguided and dumb. Yeah. Maybe, maybe it's the dumb part. Maybe it's just when it gets too dumb.

59:47When you know they were going after people with hoop earrings and shit. It's like crazy. Like Bantu braids, you need to pay tribute to the island of Jamaica. I'm like, first off, like you've got to be a really inspired person to even look up why you're offended. Like that takes a lot of research. Like who's researching like who started the Bantu knot? Like who's, who started the corn row? I'm like, you've got a lot of time on your hands. Like for me personally, like if I could just not have to research why I'm offended and have a little more time. Corona mass ejections. Boom. Power grid goes down. Lightning storms. A million times greater than anything you've ever known. I'm telling you, we're at that point. And we wouldn't be worrying about braids anymore. I know. It's insane. We're too easy. It's too easy. It's too easy to live. There's no wolves in the street. There's no humor either.

60:26And that's another thing. It's like, especially like you, a former standup comedian, right? I'm current. How dare you? But do you tour and do you do comedy or do you just tour and do you speak? Hang up on her. Yeah. Constantly. Do you do comedy or do you just speak? Okay. So. Do you speak? I don't speak ever. Do I speak? Speaking right now. Do I go places? You do that shit. I don't do that shit. Do you do that shit? I don't know. The Joe Rogan show on the road could just be having conversations with the crowd. People love to talk to you. That's, that's tiresome. Yeah. Yeah. So the thing is like, how is it difficult when you're standing? You can't say anything anymore. It's like five seconds and your whole life can be over. You can. You just have to legitimately not give a fuck. Right. And have a bunch of good friends that you really love and you, you know, you surround yourself

61:07with loving people and you all support each other. Yeah. And then when people get mad at you, you go. That's what I do. People don't realize. I think they don't realize how little I care about their outrage. I'm always saying to myself, I wonder if they knew how little I cared if they'd actually write the article. Like if they actually knew how little I gave a shit. Well, you care a little. Are you still talking about Jake Tapper and Ben Shapiro? No, because I'm fascinated by it. I'm fascinated by that. Because like Jake Tapper was like a day where they all were just like, ah, and then like the next day. Jake's wringing his fist right now. It was over. Yeah. Yeah. And then the next day it was over. Like, you know, like just now with like Ben Shapiro, it's like, no one cares. Like, I don't care. I know Ben doesn't care. Like, Ben, I don't, we like, we're going to see each other in one week, like in two weeks

61:42in Texas. We're doing an event together. Like, I see them all the time and I like them, but like to everyone else, they're weighing in. It's like, it's like. So this is your business though. This is, you're in the business of politics now. Now, this is what I want to get to. How do you go from being a liberal who cried when Obama was elected? He's black. I'm black. Yay. How do you go from that to being Miss Conservative poster girl in 2018? Because that's what you are. 10 years later. I guess. Yeah. No, you are. Like, a lot of people that are conservative, they love the fact that you're attractive, you're smart, you're articulate, you're black, and you, you're fucking forceful with your thoughts and ideas and you push them through quick and you're not scared of pissing people off. Right. And this is very exciting to conservative people that are on the sidelines. Like, yeah.

62:25It's like, we got a fucking great running back. You know, we're going to win the Super Bowl this year. Like, that's how they look at you. Like, you're, you're like a great soldier in the field. That's how people look at it. That's fun. You know? I appreciate that. So how do you go from that? What happens? So two things. So to reconcile what happened to me in high school. Right. We got to that and then we got off track. Two things. That I wanted to do that. I wanted to correct the world, I guess. I wanted to correct what had happened to me. So the first thing was I launched a website, like a blog for young girls that were going through things. I had gotten out of the eating disorder and I wanted to just give girls that may be going through something a way to write. Right. So I do, I build this blog. I do 180. I tell them they can write whatever they want. That was the first thing.

63:02The second thing that I wanted to do was to combat. Like I felt and I still feel in my soul that children today are growing up in a time that people don't even stop to think about. We have 10-year-olds that are killing themselves over Snapchat. Snapchat. Like someone posts a picture on Snapchat and they kill themselves. You know? And no one has really thought about how much technology has negatively impacted the ability for a child to grow up. Right? But they're concerned about the way they look. Like I used to babysit nanny to put myself through some years of college. And nannying for these kids, they care about how they look. Like when I was 10, I didn't care how I looked. Probably didn't even know how you looked. I didn't even know how I looked. I definitely didn't. I've seen the pictures. Right? Right. So, you know? So, and now we have kids who are killing themselves.

63:44So the second thing I wanted to do, as I said, I have this great idea that I'm going to build this project. And this is the social autopsy bit that the YouTubers were freaking out about. And they thought that it was a political machine. And it was going to be to help children. I felt that. I'm not aware of this. What is the social autopsy bit? Right. So it never launched. It was an idea that I had to build something that would be like screenshots of what people said online. And like to put them in like a timeout. So literally we were going around, we were meeting with high school, like high schools and saying like, we're thinking about building something for children that like, so instead of going to prison because you sent a mean tweet or a mean snap, like what if you just couldn't like try out for the football team? You know what I mean?

64:20Like what if like your teachers checked a database to see like how you're behaving online? Was it like naive going back? Like, sure. Like I did. But the idea that the feedback that we were getting from principals was like first try on adults because like if this goes awry, like to do this for children is like not going to be a great idea. So I started Kickstarter saying that I'm raising money for this project to help, you know, combat online bullying. Like it was like a project that was so from the heart. It was just like trying to rectify the wrongs that I felt were done for these kids that aggressed me, you know, in high school. And instead I end up in the middle of a firestorm again. It's unbelievable. I was like, God, really? Gamergate scandal. Like, do you know about this? You've spoken to Milo. Right. So I knew nothing about it. I wasn't a gamer. I wasn't online. I wasn't in politics.

65:08I knew nothing about it. But I put this Kickstarter up saying like what we're doing is figuratively lifting the masks off of trolls. And the internet lost its mind. It lost its mind. And a girl named Zoe Quinn, who was patient one of the Gamergate scandal, calls me. And at this point she was working for Twitter as the official anti-harassment arm of Twitter. And she basically threatens me and tells me to kill the project. And I had no idea that the bread and butter of the Gamergate scandal. Wait a minute. She called you on the phone. She called me on the phone. She contacted me via Twitter. And asked for my number. And what were her words that you're saying were threatening? First she started off with like, I'm the girl that was the victim of Gamergate. And instantly to me it was off. People don't wear a victim like a badge. Like I knew this because I had gone through this in high school.

65:48And she was like, I'm telling you why you need to kill your project immediately. Because there are people, you know, there are that harass me and they will harass you if they find out about it. I'm trying to save you. And I was kind of like, you know, I appreciate the sentiment, but like, no, thank you. And then she got like, you know, increasingly like, you have to kill this project. And then she started crying. It was like very bizarre phone call. I'm super confused. So your project was to take the masks off trolls. Figuratively. We never had built a technology. We never, like what we were saying, like what we were going to literally do was archive. Okay. Facebook messages. Okay. Because kids on the internet will literally. Saying mean shit. Yeah. Being ruthless. Yeah. Find their messages. Yeah. And archive it. So why did she have an issue with this? I don't understand.

66:29Because my Kickstarter said, I guess I said a word that made them think that we were going to be able to unmask Twitter trolls. Like something that we had never even thought of. Like literally like that we were going to be able to like build a technology. Like people have like an egg and their name is fuck you. And now I'm going to be like, that's Joe Rogan. Right. Right. Right. Like, no, like we did not build this. This is like crazy. Like we literally had an idea. The world would probably be a better place if everybody did have to use their real name. I know. I actually am not opposed to that, but we weren't building it. You know, that was the point. Why was she opposed to it? That's why I'm so confused. Well, you know, the bread and butter of the Gamergate scandal is that people say she harassed herself. Okay. I didn't know this. I just hung up the phone with her. Yeah.

67:04I hung up the phone with her and she was like, if you go through this project, these were her last words, you're going to ruin everything. Crying and hangs up the phone. I was like, what a week. Wait a minute. So you're saying that people think this is all allegedly. This is the Gamergate scandal. That she harassed herself in order to get attention. And the left media helped her and launched like a thousand charities. Like all of these girls harassed themselves. This is like literally why Milo. I know some people have definitely harassed themselves. Yes. And she was the first person that this like started with. And every one of these gamers, like, mind you, I'm not a gamer. I'm just telling you the two sides that I walked into. I didn't know. So I hung up the phone with her and I sent a tweet that was like, don't know who Zoe Quinn is. I can tell you this girl has never been harassed. And the world breaks.

67:47Whoa. Okay. But see, but what I was going to say, to finish my sentence, I know some people have harassed themselves. They've faked it. Right. But way more people have actually been harassed. I'm sure. Right. I agree. I'm just saying that her in particular. So you said by talking to her, she's never been harassed. Dude, I know. You really know for sure? I'm telling you, victims don't wait. Like you would never like be like, I'm the victim. Of like, it's something that you do. People do do that. No. They do do that. They enjoy it. But here's the story. So I hang out the phone with her. I tweet this. Right. Within one hour, we start getting inundated. Just like she said. She said, if you don't kill the project, mean Trump supporters are going to come after you and start harassing you. Like literally. Like we're getting like inundated with emails that say like Bob at Trump 45 dot com. And they're like, die. And we're die.

68:33Like if you go through it, like we're going to kill. Like just like the most like I was like, well, this is kind of perfect. Right. Like you warned me. And then it happens like within an hour. We had had no messages, nothing. And then all of a sudden I was full on like and I was like, no, no, no. Sweetheart, you did this. Like, come on. You orchestrated this. And she had been accused of doing this like five times. It wasn't like Milo and Breitbart were just covering all of the instances that people have accused her of. Like she calls them and then they get harassed. She calls them and they get harassed. And I didn't give up. I had no horse in the race. I don't care about, you know, gamers. Respectfully, I don't game. Right. I didn't care about politics. You know, respectfully at that time, I wasn't politicking. I just had a phone call with a girl. It was a little weird phone call.

69:11And then suddenly I was getting inundated with emails. And you were just making YouTube videos at the time. No, I was literally like fully doing this degree 180 thing. And I was going to really try to build this high school, like this thing to help kids. And everyone says, you docs minors. Like literally like we were building this platform so that children would never have to be like get in serious trouble for doing stupid stuff like via technology ever again. How did she get your contact information? She messaged me. I gave it to her. She messaged me on Twitter. Oh, okay. Like she was like burnt witch or something. And I like it literally her handle was burnt witch. And like at that time, I wasn't even like on Twitter. Like I had just made a Twitter profile. And I see someone that has a checkmark and it says like official whatever handle of Twitter. So what seems more official than like a checkmark?

69:49And so I was like, here's my number. Call me. Would love to chat. Like, you know, like. So you just thought you were going to have a conversation with someone. I had a conversation that maybe wanted to partner with me because I'm like, oh, this girl's been harassed on the internet. Like maybe she'll like want to help kids. Like, you know, like. Right. Alice in Wonderland. Like totally like insane Alice in Wonderland. And then like all of a sudden there's like a Chester cat who's like smoking. So you think that someone orchestrated this attack on you. I 100 percent. And it was fake Trump supporters that were going after you. It wasn't real. Yeah. That was my like. I was like, oh, how convenient. We've been on Kickstarter for three days. No one has harassed us. You call me and tell me kill the project or I'm going to get harassed. I hang up the phone with you.

70:25And now or later we're getting inundated with harassment. And she was saying that you were going to get harassed by Trump supporters. Why did she say that? She didn't say Trump supporters. All of their addresses happened to be like, you know, like Trump 45 at G like whatever it was like they would they would actually have like weird porn handles. Like I don't know, like weird handles. You know, I still have them. I would have to pull it up. Why did she think that someone was going to harass you? That's I'm still confused. She was saying she was going to unmask trolls. And that's what she said. Like when the Gamergate people like these these anonymous men who harass people, the people that harassed me, when they see what you're working on, they're going to they're going to freak out. You can't do it. They ruined my life. You know, she's and then she started saying you're going to get doxxed.

71:01They're going to find out where your parent lives. And like literally after that, someone sent me like a map and they had doxxed my family, like my grandmother's, like where she lives, my grandfather. Like it was just like what she said was going to happen. What she said was going to happen. Instantaneously after you contacting her. So you think that she did it. I know she did it. Like I've said this a thousand times. I said it. And then the second I said it, all of a sudden the New York Magazine and the Washington Post tried to smear me instantly. Instantly. And at that time, I thought. Is it possible that you're wrong? No, it's not. It's implausible. With the time frame of getting no nobody messaging me. Right. To her calling me. All of this flooding in. And then the New York Magazine. I was a girl on Kickstarter. Why the hell is the Washington Post calling me after I tweet this girl harassed herself?

71:42The Washington Post, New York Magazine, the usual suspects. Right. Like like now the usual. So I say that time it's like, oh, great. The Washington Post. I was like totally an idiot. You know, we're rushing to say like, oh, Candace got confused. Like it's been a long time internet conspiracy that Zoe Quinn's harassed herself and Candace got sucked in. I'm like, I don't even know what Gamergate is. I don't know who. I don't even know what this article is about. So you had no idea that there was accusations that she had harassed herself. You just said that girl never been harassed. One tweet. Gut instinct. One instinct. And I got in the middle of a cultural war and people were like, get in touch with Nero. I'm like, who the fuck is Nero? It was Milo Yiannopoulos at the time. Like, get in touch. You just like landed and then people that I thought were white nationalists, which was

72:26like Breitbart, was the only publication that was like just telling the truth about what's happening. Like just saying like this girl jumped on Kickstarter. Like she's no like pulling no leg in this race to nonpolitical. I'm not. And like this is what she says happened. So it was just a it was a very bizarre situation. But it changed my life because the people that I would have thought in that moment would have like come after me and said awful things about me or said like were the people that were very kind. Like, you know, at that time I would have said I was a liberal. You know, I would have said like, you know, I supported Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton, you know, whatever it was, you know, I wasn't politically active. And people that were like reaching down and just being kind were like Mike Cernovich, who if I Googled his name said it was he was like a white supremacist.

73:09So it just was like a weird thing. Like my whole life just went like I was like, OK, so one interaction. That's all it took. It's yeah. And a subsequent firestorm. Is there ever been any proof at all that she's done what you think she did? Just a bunch of people saying the same thing that have nothing to do with one another in different situations and the media refusing to. Well, it's like one of those blame the victim things. Nobody wants to take a chance unless there's just overwhelming. And she never responds. Like I've said it on a thousand things like she asked her like she never responds. And I stick by that. I'll never veer from that. And it was but I always say that was that was my moment. Like this this project that I had never even built out that changed everything. I stopped the project and I subsequently just wanted to learn.

73:58Like I just like is it possible that I got to 26 years old and have everything wrong about people that I thought, you know, I was just believing in the background, you know, that anybody that CNN said this one interaction with one person that may or may not be deceptive. Why would that make you switch political affiliation? I wasn't it wasn't even switching. I wasn't politically active. I just like if you had asked me, I would have said I was you know what I'm saying? Like I was never I was never a girl like wearing a pussy hat outside. Like that's the thing people don't understand. If it would just no God if pressed I now that I if you think of like where I'm at now and talking about how I hate labels, I was probably already a conservative. I didn't give a shit about politics. I had a hundred thousand dollars in student loan debt and I was just trying to pay back. That's it. That was my whole life.

74:40There was nothing about politics. But at that moment, it made me it was forced me to consider my political affiliations because I had me saying this. I'm saying like, you know, the New York magazine like tried to smear me. I say the Washington Post tried to smear me at the exact same time. Donald Trump is getting on a stage and he's saying they're fake news. It was just this divine moment. How are they trying to smear you? So they called me and pretended to be my friend. I'm like, I just want to know what happened. Like I told him the story. I gave them messages of like Zoe, the time stamps, the hate that I've been receiving. And then the articles that they wrote were like, I'm like, did I just have a conversation with you on the phone? Like insane stuff. Like, I mean, like, you know, the Washington Post actually, because I caught them in a lie.

75:19I recorded the conversation and the email of what she wrote didn't match. They pulled the article. I said, if you run this article, like I will sue you guys for libel. And the manager pulled the article and he was like, you're not even relevant or even important. We don't have to run this article. Yeah. I have it all. I'm writing. I still have it. They were ready to lie. They were ready to lie. What were they ready to lie about? They were trying to make it. They were trying to make it seem that I had like they were trying to figure out who was funding. So like social autopsy. That was what that was the met like what the journalists were trying to figure out for whatever reason, like who's helping you. So when I refused to say any names, I just got that weird gut feeling on the phone. Like, I'm like, why are you like I'm telling you like this girl's been harassing herself.

75:55Why are you trying to figure out like where I'm getting money from? You know? And when I refused to answer, the girl was going to lied and tried to say that I had said certain names that she was just trying to get like other anti-bullying like organizations to come out and say I was a liar. Like, say I was working with them. Right. But I had never said any namester on the phone. And somebody gave me a tip. Like one of the anti, I'm not going to say the name of that. They gave me a tip and said that, you know, they called and, you know, did you tell them this? And I was like, no. I was like, I literally had the recording. And they were like, you need to lawyer up. Like the Washington Post is trying to smear you if because he just what was it that they said that you hadn't said they were trying to say that they were basically going to try to get a really reputable anti-bullying company. OK.

76:40To issue a strong statement against me calling me a liar. But this company, because I had been in touch with them, because I had been on the phone with them, had a sense that it just wasn't like they didn't feel good about the reporter either. So they gave me a heads up. I had actually recorded the conversation with the Washington Post. And what was in the conversation that they didn't want to print? They were going to print that. Like, I said that this company, you know, was supporting me and they reached out to that company and that company denied it. But I had never said that. It was just a way to say that I was a liar. But I never said it. Oh, but you recorded the conversation with them. I recorded the conversation. Oh, snap. I just like my instinct was just like record the conversation. Hashtag fake news. Yeah. So imagine like you go through that and then Donald Trump gets on a stage and he's like,

77:20The Washington Post is fake news. Jeff Bezos is fake. It was just like this. Do you still order things from Amazon? I do. I do too. I freaking so know. It's awful. I know. Love that one click. I know. Bam. It's just amazing. I know. I shouldn't. I shouldn't. But what do you need? Crazy glue? Bam. Bam. Bam. I hear there's another company coming out and I'm. What do you need? A lacrosse ball? Bam. One click. He's got us all. I know. I can't. I buy a lot of shit off Amazon. I know. I know. I do too. I can't even deny it. So convenient. I know. It shows. It's there. It's just when you get home. It's there. It's home too. You know? Do you think he has anything to do with the Washington Post or did you just buy it? He bought it. Do you think he'd just buy it? No. It's his personal diary now. You think so? Of course. Have you seen the stuff that they're publishing now? It's a joke. I subscribe to it online. Yeah. Meaning I pay to get it online.

78:05You pay for propaganda. Well, occasionally you have a good story. Yeah. I don't know if all of it's propaganda. I can't take any of their articles seriously. The stuff that they've run and that they've said. It's just like. Like what else? It's just everything. Everything? The stuff that you've read like the Washington Post lately. What was the last good article? Let me ask you. What was the last that you thought this was a fair and balanced reporting job by Washington Post? They don't hate Trump. They just went to report the news. That's a very difficult question because I read too many articles. I'd have to go back and see which one. What's the number one? What's the number one article on the top of the app today right now? Let's check out right now. That would be an interesting question. What do you think? Let's guess. Let's guess. Let's just take a guess. Trump. I'm going to go ahead and put that out there.

78:42Okay. I bet it's Roseanne. No, it can't be Roseanne. She's not number one. Maybe it's. Well, it could be Roseanne because it correlates to Trump. Maybe it's. What's her face? B. No, they're not. No, they're going to bury that story. They're going to bury Samantha Bee? Okay. Lin-Manuel Miranda's seat of power. Trump's medal tariffs trigger retaliation for Mexico. I win. Trade war. Yeah. But look at that. Samantha Bee apologizes after White House condemnation for calling Ivanka Trump a vulgar word. I win too. No, no, no, no. It's a picture with mine. But they're forgiving her. Are they? They're forgiving her in that. Just think of the headline. She apologizes. Yeah. She apologizes. And she looks nice in that picture. Are they forgiving her? Yeah. They're going to forgive her. She apologizes after condemnation. Yeah. Going to Ivanka Trump a vulgar word. Why don't they just write cunt? How come they can't write that?

79:26Apologizes for airing the word. Oh, they did it on TV? Wait a minute. Wait a minute. It was on her TV show. Cut the fucking shit. That's what I was telling you before. Yeah. It was on TV. It's insane. What? Yeah. TBS had to apologize too. TBS said cunt? No. It was on her shows on TBS. Yeah. But does it say cunt? Like the word? I don't think they just apologized for it. No, no, no. I'm saying did they air the actual word or did they beep it? I don't know. That's a good question. Because you remember when Stephen Colbert, when he said that Putin uses Trump's mouth for his cock holster? Yeah. They've said like- That shit's crazy. That's what I'm- I know. Like that's what I'm saying. Imagine if he said that about Obama. They would lose their minds. Just imagine. Imagine if someone said that. And the people that get it the worst are black conservatives. Like we get the things that people say to us.

80:14And what's bizarre now is like white liberals. Like they just feel comfortable saying- I'm like what? Like this is like so weird. They'll write and they'll say anything to me. Here goes. TBS Network. Samantha Bee is taking the right action. Taking the right action and apologizing. What? What is this? I do not like the way they worded that. Right. She's taking the right action. Correct. So they have a positive action attributed to her before they condemn her negative words. When you read how they're going to interpret it, it's always going to be positive. That's oddly positive. That's oddly positive. They're not going to fire her. No, because there's a double standard. There's a double standard. And this is what like- Well, they fired Roseanne when she had the number one show in the country. They just threw away a lot of money with that one. Yeah.

81:05And also, you know, and did a lot of jobs for people that disagreed with her. Talk to Fox. They'll hook it up. I think she doesn't want to do it anymore. Talking to Roseanne, personally, I think she was so worn out from doing that show. She's 66 years old. Oh, right. You know, and she's not in the best of health. And she told me she got bronchitis doing the show and she almost died. She's like, I'm too fucking old for this shit. Right. I can't do this anyway. And they were wearing me out. I just wish that there was just a little more humanity. And I'm not saying that. It's just like, I really fundamentally, strongly dislike something about the outrage culture and the willingness to forgo the fact that she's a human being. And human like there's something about people that they believe that human beings are perfectible. Like and that. Perfectible. Yeah. And I think that this is something the left has sold.

81:54The idea that it's perfectible, that you can like defeat racism with the right person in office, that you can like, you know, defeat sexism. You can defeat misogyny. And this is not possible. You can't defeat these things. Bad things happen because human beings are constantly learning. We're flawed. Right. But don't you think that ultimately the direction that we're all moving in as human beings, if you looked at human beings from 3,000 years ago to human beings of today, we're moving in a general direction of a much more positive culture. Right. But it doesn't feel like that. It does to me. To me it does too. Racism is negative. We both agree. Right. 100%. Racism is a terrible thing. But it can't be depleted. But don't you think it can be shunned out of society slowly but surely if people realize there's repercussions for racism? Repercussions. But then you're operating from a fear.

82:40That doesn't mean that you're not racist because you're afraid to say it. No. But people realize that, you know, it hurts people's feelings. It causes all sorts of issues. No. No. Human beings, especially when they're in, and I've learned this all the time, when they're in a spot where they're fundamentally unhappy, it's very easy for them to, you know, lash out. It is. And so if you find someone who's just miserable, right, who doesn't, you know, have, I don't know, the career, the girl, whatever it is, that person is much more likely to say something that's vitriolic. And that's just, that's the human condition. Like, you're not happy, so you lash out at someone else. I agree with you. But don't you think that human beings in general are less racist today, certainly less racist publicly in America, than 1950? Oh, my gosh. Yes. No questions asked. So 68 years ago. Yeah.

83:29If we go back 68 years ago, the world has changed for the better today. Oh, 100% in terms of, like, the social progress that we've made, especially in America. Do you think it's possible that 68 years from now, we could at least come very close to eradicating racism? That's a very good question. So if you're talking about just America? Yes. Well, let's just go with America because let's just wrap it up. Because I don't know what the fuck's going on in China or, you know, wherever. I don't know. That's a tough ask. There's some places where racism is just deep-seated. Yeah, it's deep-seated. It's never going to go away. Yeah. So that's why I say, like, racism can't. I don't know, never go away. Because they change it up because then they'll say Americans are racist towards Muslims, right, when you say that you're going to do the Muslim ban from certain countries.

84:12And that's also considered, like, racism and not just, like, you know, national security, right? So everything sort of becomes racism. So the problem with racism is nobody knows what it means anymore. Everything's racist. You could, the Starbucks situation, which to me was not racist, was racist. Is that racism? The Starbucks that wasn't racist. You don't think that was racist? No. I don't think that was racist. I live in Philly. So you think if those were white dudes hanging out in Starbucks, not buying anything, just sitting down, mind their own business, that they would have got fucked with with the same exact energy? Okay, so let's play a different picture. So first off, I live in Philadelphia. I'm not kidding. I wonder if, sometimes when I'm there, I'm like, I wonder if any white people live here. Like, Philadelphia is, like, 44% black. Excluding Hispanic. 44% black. It's unbelievable.

85:02Everyone who works in my building, everyone's black. It's like the weirdest thing. I'm like, this is a very black city, right? It's a bizarre city to be racist, outright racist in. Like, you're dealing with black people all day. So you remove that, and then you think to me, and I've seen this happen tons of times. Is it possible, right, that this guy was just on, like, a power trip? Like, power trips happen. I've seen it happen at the most bizarre places. And I'm like, all right. Like, at the airport the other day. Like, this woman gave me absolute hell at TSA. I mean, it was like, I can't even recap. It was just absolute hell. I could have walked away and said she was racist, and she randomly selected my bag 22 times to go through and made me go through and miss my flight, right? Or she was having a bad day, and she was power tripping, you know?

85:41And when people have these little positions, it's like that movie where they go, doorman, you know? And they have these little positions, like the manager of Starbucks, and you're having an off day. And these two kids that could have easily said, I'll buy a cookie, right? Like, common decency, by the way, even for me, if I go use a bathroom at Starbucks, I'll just freaking buy a cookie or a little, like, juice box or water. Just something that makes me feel, all right, it's a little more civilized if I just buy something, even though I'm just here to use the bathroom. Like, so on both ends. Or if you've got to pee real bad and there's a line. You go, and then I'll probably sprint to the bathroom. And then buy something afterwards. I do that. It's like a natural thing that, like, it's a little more.

86:13Well, now, because of these guys, you could just be a homeless person and take a shower in the toilet. It's because of outrage culture. It's an outrage culture. It's insane. Like, my cousin, who's half Mexican and black, had to go through this training, and she works for Starbucks. It's like, to me, it's just insane. It's like, is it possible that this guy was power tripping, these kids were being, like, you know, they could have just bought something, and it could have been resolved. But you have two people that are being stubborn and taking it to as far as possible. You know, talk about, like, hall monitor. Like, you know, these are the rules. And it just got too far. That could be a perspective. Well, that is possible. But it's also possible that they were racially selected. Yeah. That someone was racist. Yeah. They looked at them, and they said, these guys are black. Yeah.

86:52They're probably up to no good. We don't want them sitting around here and not buying anything. How long were they sitting there again for? Could you remind me? I don't know. Weren't they just waiting for their friend, too? The whole thing didn't make any sense. It wasn't. How long were they sitting there for? Because I want to say 45 minutes. But that's, like, until the cops got there. Like, they probably weren't. I mean, how long does it take to get the cops to come in Philly? Right. So, I'm just like, if you were sitting there, I don't know. I've never called the cops in Philly. But I do know that, like, Philly is just a very black city. Yeah. I go to Philly all the time. It's a very black city. You know, I was there with Dave Rubin and... Jordan Peterson. Jordan Peterson. Yeah. You know, I opened for them. You opened for them? You do stand-up? What are you doing? Yeah. I should do stand-up. I'd be good at it.

87:33You think? I'm funny. Come out tonight. I'll get you up. I'll do it. Oh, wait. No, I can't. Because I have a... I'm going to Wyoming right after this. Yeah? Yeah. Do you have any ideas of what you would talk about if you went on stage? I don't know. I would be really funny, though. I'm, like, randomly really funny. Randomly is not good enough. I'm good at voices. Not when people pay. No. I would be really good. Like, I do really good voices. Like, really good... Like, I'm funny. I'm inclined to believe that most people think they would do really good at stand-up or going to eat shit on stage. Yeah. Because they get nervous. Yeah. I could see that. It could be just, like, I'm not funny anymore. It seems... I probably would be, like, a drinker if I was on stage, I feel like. I would be, like, that, like, stereotypical comedian that just gets completely sloshed and goes out on stage. Just to try to loosen up the vibes. Yeah.

88:14I think it's a really hard thing to try it to be funny in front of, like, a sold-out room. I think it's important to be objective. And I think it's important to look at something for what it really is. And I think it's highly possible that that Starbucks thing was racist. I see. I think it's just... It's highly possible that it wasn't. I think it's just as. Yeah. It's just as. It's possible that it wasn't. But because of outrate culture, here we are. It's got to be racist. It's like, yes. The chances... I'm just telling you, like, there's a lot of black people that come in. I work from the Starbucks. I'm writing a book. I work from Starbucks all over Philadelphia. That's, like, what I do. Right? And it's just... I don't know if there's any white people in Philadelphia. I'm constantly trying to find... There definitely are. I did a show there recently. Yeah. A lot of white people. Where were...

88:52What area of town were you in? I was in the Tower Theater. That's where we were. Yeah. It was a lot of black people. Inside your thing, but they probably commuted. Oh, the fuck? Yeah, they did. Yeah. That drive to Tower Theater is... But outside where that is? Yeah. It's all black people. True or false. Yeah. It's a boom drive. It's a bizarre place. Thank you. Yeah. It's rough. It's really rough. And that's what people don't understand. I'm like, dude, like, it's a weird place to come to if you're racist. It's just a... Yeah. It's really hard to be racist in Philadelphia because everyone's black. Like, it's like... We went to the movies once and we saw Planet of the Apes, actually, ironically, in a really black neighborhood. And then we were... I was there for the UFC and it was me and, again, my friend Tommy from Connecticut. And we were looking for somewhere to go and we went to this super black neighborhood.

89:34And it was a fucking blast. Right. It was hilarious. Because I never go to all black movie theaters. Oh, my God. But they were yelling shit at the screen. I mean, it became like... It was... There was the audience that was entertaining and then there was a movie that entertained. Like, there's one scene in the movie where, you know, the Planet of the Apes got... What was the guy's name? Caesar got mad. He's like, oh, you fucked up now. Yeah. Always. Always. Yeah. And it was... It's so vocal. And we were barbecued. We were high out of our mind. So the whole thing was, like, extra hilarious. Black culture... This is the thing that's so funny because so much of what I do is inspired by this. It's just, like, people... Like, this... I guess, presentation of black people. In the media. It actually gets me mad because, to me, and I could be biased, I think black people are, like, the most, like, funny.

90:20Like, we're so funny. So endearing. Like, when I'm around my cousins, like, I do... There's not a better time that I can have when I'm around my family. We're not easily offended. Right? We're constantly making fun of each other. Making fun of other people. Like, there's no one meaner... So how do you think black people are portrayed? Like, victims. Like, everything upsets us. Like, we're just... We feel so oppressed. And I'm like, this is not, like, the black community that I grew up in in my family. And it's also not the black community. Like, just, like, who we celebrate. Like, I was watching... Was it Chris Rock's stand-up? Bigger and Blacker. I watched that, like, from 1994. Classic. Like, it is, like... The stuff that he said, he could never say today. Just, like... Because that is black culture. Like, he went there on every single race, every single culture. Made fun of everybody. And it was beautiful.

91:03It was perfection. It was a sold-out Apollo theater. He comes out, and the first thing he says is, like, racial. He's like, oh, white people in the back today. You know what I mean? Right. And everyone gets up and starts cheering. And then he starts making fun of black people about things that we need to fix. Right? He's using, like... He's being funny, but he's also saying stuff that's real. Talking about that baby mama culture. Right. And the difference between, like, the white community. And he starts talking about school shootings. And it just, like... Maybe it was Columbine that had just happened. And he starts talking about that. And nobody was sensitive. Nobody in the audience was going, The NRA! You know what I mean? Well, that was a different time. You know, we... But I missed that time. They hadn't been inundated with school shootings. There's so many of them now that people are just twisted.

91:40They don't know what to do. Right. So, I don't... I don't know. I don't agree with... This is the problem with when you blame the NRA. No one in the NRA has ever committed a school shooting. I know. It's insane. That's a fact. It's bizarre that people blame them, but... But there's an argument that there should be tighter regulations on people with mental illness, people with... But the slope is incredibly slippery for that. It is slippery. Yeah. It's like it's something you can't define. Like, it's too slippery. Mental illness? Right. Yeah. It's too slippery. So, what does that mean? Does that mean if you go to one therapy session... Like, it is so slippery. That's true. I don't like it. It's a dangerous way to go down. What do you think about having to be 21 to be able to buy a gun? I'm against it because you shouldn't be able to go get your limbs blown off overseas if you can't come back and defend your home.

92:21Totally against it. Well, that's a good argument that you shouldn't be able to go to war if you're not 21 either. Right. You know, I think the frontal cortex isn't developed until you're 25 years old. Right. So, who knows when you can make real good rational decisions for yourself. And the idea is that if you take a 17-year-old kid fresh out of high school and send him overseas to put a gun in his hand, like, he doesn't really know exactly what he's doing in the first place. Exactly. You're not making informed choices. You're just following the lead of the people that are in command. You're hoping that they're telling you the right thing to do. The thing that's so bizarre to me is that we're sitting here and we're talking about the age, like, as if guns were just created. Like, you know, when in reality... Right. But something's wrong. But what's wrong? What do you think is wrong? It's not the guns.

93:01I'm asking you. What do you think is wrong? Mental health. Right. So, I agree with you, but I think it's the deterioration of culture altogether. Like, they used to be taught the Bible in school. Like, you know, people make fun of that now. Like, now we've got this culture where you're making fun of kids. Like, religion is like, we're so far away from religion. Like, that's, like, weird to us. Like, you know, like, teaching religion is like, you've got, like, a scarlet letter. If you come in as, like, a holy Christian kid in, like, a normal public education thing, you've got the family structure where it's like, these kids are running the houses these days. Like, I look on, like, Facebook and it's, like, supposed to be funny when, like, a four-year-old is acting like Cardi B. I'm like, okay, yes, it's funny because she's four, but it's also, like, not funny because she's four. Right?

93:40How do you feel about Lil Tay? Who's Lil Tay? You don't know who Lil Tay is? I love Cardi B. I don't know who Lil Tay is. Who's Lil Tay? Lil Tay is kind of out of the news now because they found that it's a hustle. She's a nine-year-old Asian girl from, what, Vancouver? Is that where it's from? And she talks mad shit, throws money around, calls everybody bitches and haters. Yeah, that's my point. Like, this is considered, like, funny. It's, like, entertaining, like, the fact that. And we're okay with that, and so parents are pushing their kids to be more outrageous because there's a way that they can make it. Right. So, to me, it's like. Lil Tay spotted hanging out with Rick Rubin. It's not over. It's not over yet. It's not over. Rick Rubin. She looks, look, she's. Like, how old is she? She's got double fingers. Oh, those are hooks. She's got the horns up, and she's got a G-wagon in front of her.

94:22It's just like the cash-me-out side girl. Yep. Right? Yeah. So, we don't talk about any of that. We don't talk about the fact that we no longer focus on family. We no longer focus on religion. It doesn't mean to be that everyone needs to be religious, but there's structure in religion. Right? There's structure in me when I grew up, and my grandpa used to make us read the Bible around the table. There was some structure to that and lessons and prayers. And then there's this mass. The Facebook. The snapping. The Instagram. The Twitter. It's like we've changed the world and expected children to stay the same of it, and nobody talks about it. So, instead, they say it's the gun's fault. We need stricter gun legislation. Gun legislation. But the entire world has shifted. We're not talking about those changes. The dynamic of the world that has shifted. So, I just hold a different position.

95:07You know, I think it starts with family. It starts with structure. I think we need religion back. I think that needs to stop being such a dirty world. It needs to stop being mocked roundly by the media. Like, it shouldn't be funny, you know, when Joy Behar, you know, says something about Jesus and the whole audience giggles. That's weird. Well, she says something about Mike Pence being mentally ill. Yeah, because he talks to Jesus. Think about how weird that is, right? Like, how weird that the stuff that we used to would be normal, like, you know, praying, talking to Jesus. Like, when I grew up, that was like my grandparents' generation. That was, everyone was religious. And now we're so far away from that, right? That seems like it's okay to mock. And we roundly mock it all the time. So, the structure in the home is, in my opinion, the most important thing that needs to change.

95:53The fact that so many people are growing up without fathers in the home is something that needs to change. Letting your kid have a Facebook account when they're seven, right? Like, it's just too much. It's the information age. But what information are they downloading? Well, I definitely think that people need structure. I definitely think that people need family and community and all those good things. But when it comes to religion, it's like, which one is right? That's not about being right. You think all of them? It's not about being right. It's not about being right. What about Scientology? Is that okay? I'm going to be honest. I know nothing about Scientology. So, I know that people hate Scientology. That's all I know about it. Well, it was created by a science fiction writer. Okay. And it's all nonsense. Right. That's all you need to know. Okay. Yeah. It's one of the dumbest religions of all time.

96:33If you read what they stand for, what they're all about. Leah Remini, who was in it for years. Yeah. I didn't watch her series. She'd been on my podcast and she explained her journey into it and what happened with it. Yeah. And when she started to question it. And there's a whole thing. There's a, what is the fucking HBO documentary? It's also the book, the HBO on Scientology, the Lawrence Wright. Going Clear? Going Clear. Yeah. Yeah. I read the book and I watched the documentary. It's like so crazy. And I know nothing about it besides like Tom Cruise. I'm going to be honest. I'm totally ignorant. Yeah. It's, you know, for some people, here's the thing. For some people, it's structure and it's helpful. Right. Ideologies are helpful. Mm-hmm. Sometimes because they give you like a, like a format to live your life by or scaffolding

97:22to keep your, your, your moral beliefs inside of these boundaries and it helps you get ahead and you have purpose and decision making. But at the end of the day, it's a cult, you know? Right. Yeah. And there's a lot of them. Right. There's a lot of different ones. Yeah. So like, how do you decide? It's not about deciding. It's just that there, there's something that comes from, I think, just learning certain lessons. It doesn't need to be, I'm not saying that we all need to like. So something from structure. From structure. Like, like the Bible used to be taught in school objectively. They would be taught by people that, you know, were not practicing Christians. Right. Um, used to be taught in school objectively because there's still lessons that are timeless in these Bible stories. It doesn't need to do with whether or not you're, you don't need to then say, oh, and then we

97:58go to church and then we pray in school and all that stuff. You can almost extract that and, and try to teach these lessons objectively. But, but kids are learning now is like how to be an anarchist. Like, you know, feminism 101 and every it's, you're like actually fostering an angry culture by telling them at every turn of they should be outraged. We are in outrage culture. And then you're, you're surprised when somebody does something outrageous. Right. It's, it's a little bizarre to me. It's like everything should piss you off. Everything should make you angry. Everything should make you upset. Everything is unjust. Everything is oppressed. Um, and I don't know why this kid just shut up at school. Why was he so angry? Like, it's like, we're weird. It's like, we're weirdly fake and no one wants to have a conversation. A shooting happens and everyone wants to talk about the NRA.

98:40And then David Hogg is back on the news. Jordan Peterson has some interesting ideas about religion and the fundamental beliefs and, um, the lessons that are learned from things like the Bible and how they apply to human life and that are our own belief systems without them, without these sort of structures and belief systems is one of the things that leads civilization astray and that it's done that before and things go awry. Well, I actually had this debate with Charlie and I did a panel, um, down in DC and we were talking about whether like, you know, the reintroduction of, of God and teaching him to school. And I said, like, at some point there seems to be the struggle. I have this idea that like human beings in a certain way, we're doomed to just keep repeating history. I'm obsessed with Greek mythology.

99:26I'm obsessed with like Egyptian history, hieroglyphics, like anything that like where they tell stories, especially Greek mythology, because the lessons are there and we just keep doing it. Right. Greed, lust, like the things that human beings fall for. Right. So I had this idea when we were talking, cause Charlie is, is an evangelical Christian. I'm not right. I believe in, I, I, this super smart guys and evangelical Christian. Yes. So does he believe like Jesus came back to life? Yes. Really? Yes. He's an evangelical person. So he believes that someone died and then three years, three days later they came back to life and that they walked on water and healed the sick. Yeah. I mean, you have to, I haven't really gotten into it with him cause I'm not like, I'm not the person that should ever be like debating or talking about religion. It's not my like schtick, I guess.

100:09Um, but so what I, what I said to him, cause me and him both believe that in many ways, the reason that the government has, uh, the media has started roundly dissing God, right? Like in dissing Jesus Christ is because the government wants to be God. Right. So if people don't. Wait a minute. Do you think the media is responding to the government suggestion? Is that what you think? The reason why people are going after religion is because the media is responding to some sort of orders from the government? Not orders. That's, that's wrong. So it's, it's, it's directive. No, no. But you know, Andrew, Andrew Breitbart said that politics is downstream from culture, right? So, and you can argue that they, they feed into each other, whatever it is, but there's, there's definitely something, um, between culture and politics that is linked, inextricably linked.

100:51Um, so when, you know, when, when everyone's on the same page, like, so if the government wants to get bigger, which it has been doing, right. And wants people to look to them for answers, which it has been doing, you have to understand they have to sort of destroy everything else that they would potentially be looking to for answers. Right. So instead of when, when you're down and out, um, and people would just go to church and pray, right. Or believing in your family or the family structure, they need to know that no matter what you think the government is the answer. And that is what a leftist at the end of the day, the left believes that the government can fix all of their problems. And, uh, and I find, especially when I speak to a lot of these leftists, they do not believe in religion. Like there's just a thing. It's a trend I've noticed that, you know, I'm not religious.

101:34I'm not saying that, you know, there's something wrong with it, but leftists tend to be, you know, a really apart from religion. So you could make the argument could definitely be made that the destruction of believing in the Bible, of stop teaching the Bible is because you want to make it so that every time you have a problem, because you're still going to, our soul, we still need to believe in something. We're naturally beings that we need to believe that something can fix something. I really believe that, that it's the reason why we go get our palms read, right? Like we just like, there's, there's something else. Somebody has the answer and people are starting to believe it's government in America. Well, and it freaks me out. I, I agree with you that people like structure and I agree with you that people without religion

102:12try to find that structure and those rules and other things, but I don't believe that this is like some calculated move by the government. I think it's human nature. I think it's human nature. But it could shift, yeah. Well, it's, we want a daddy. Yeah. We want someone to tell us what to do. And if that daddy is the government or if that daddy is aliens, whatever the fuck it is, people need something. And I agree with you, but that's why I argued with Charlie, because then he said, you know, government, the government, and now we have to go back to religion. And then I said, okay, but Charlie, but then we could actually recreate all the terrible stuff that happened with religion when religion became daddy. So we might just be going government, religion, government, religion, government, you know what I mean? Just like swinging the pendulum. Well, there's just massive amounts of corruption in both.

102:49Exactly. There's massive amounts of corruption in religion. And that's my, and that's, that's what I believe. Yeah. So I think that we could say that, yeah, we need to start re-inducing these things, but then we could just end up with the extreme again, where there's massive corruption in the church. Now everyone's placing off emphasis in the church. So then I just said, wow, we're just doomed. You know? I don't think we're doomed. Mark Twain had a great line. History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes. Interesting. Go on. That's a great quote. Yeah. It's great. It's great. Duncan told me that yesterday. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It often rhymes. That's the quote. I think it repeats itself fully. It may. Like we, like all of the signs there. I'm like, we could literally just read this all in a Bible. We could read the song Greek mythology and we know what happens. Like, it's like, it's our humanity.

103:30And, but there's, is it fixable? No. That's why people think that it's society perfectible. Of course it's not perfectible. There's going to be greed. There's going to be lust. There's going to be, but now we're in this culture where it's like, he cheated on his wife. Like, oh, like this is. But humans are different than we used to be. And if we keep moving in this direction, we're going to improve. We're going to continue to improve. I think the longing that people. We'll find a new set of problems. That's what I think. Maybe Queen's cynical. It's not cynical. It's just, it's just. A little bit. During your lifetime, perhaps. But the idea is that we're moving to a greater good. Yeah. We're moving towards a greater good that someday our children will enjoy. And that we are in a better situation than our grandparents were. Our grandchildren will be in a better situation than us.

104:07And we're constantly moving towards improvement. And this is the reason why we're so dissatisfied with racism and sexism and homophobia and hate and all the bullshit that we see in the world that can be prevented. We think that if we can shun that and shame that and push it out of our culture, that someday in the future we'll have gotten past this and evolved to the point where we as a culture and we as a civilization will be something that we are proud of. And we're not proud of what we are now with school shootings. Right. People depended on Oxycontins and seven-year-olds on Facebook and Lil Tay flashing cash in front of a G-Wagon. There's a lot of shit that's wrong. That's another thing. No one wants to talk about over-medicating children. Like when I was a kid, a six-year-old was bouncing off the walls. We just said you were hyper. Today it's like give him Adderall. Yeah, no, it's not good.

104:53What is wrong? It's not good. I literally like ice babysit a kid and like the mom would give them Adderall. He was six years old. She's like, I don't know what's wrong with him. I'm like, he might be a kid, you know, and that's another conversation. He's got energy. They just don't want to, look, I have kids. When kids are going crazy and you're tired, it's fucking hard. Yeah, but you don't medicate them. And it's bizarre. And then they say, oh, well, you know, if something's wrong with him, he's in school and he's not, you know, performing as well, he's not paying attention. Maybe he's just not interested. Yeah. Maybe he'd rather be outside. Well, I remember that very well and I remember thinking when I was in school, I am never going to tell my kids that they have to pay attention to some fucking boring shit. Right. Or assume that something's wrong with them.

105:31Maybe you want them to pay attention, but assume that there's something wrong with them if they don't is what's crazy to me. They assume there's something wrong with their child and that they need medicine because they're not paying attention to math problems on the board for an hour. That's what's scary to me. It's like parents are just out of touch. Making kids sit down. The whole thing is unnatural. School is unnatural. I totally agree with you. Like, I am like so anti and you see that like there's this like famous Kanye quote where he says like when you see a five year old, they have so much energy, but they have so much confidence and so much passion in everything that they do. Like they think they can be anything. Like they can be a dancer or a singer. They'll try to do flips and then go find like an 11 year old after they've been socialized in school. They're like that spark just dies in them.

106:12And it's because they're literally being put through a system that tells them that they can't. Well, this girl got a 90 on her test and you got an 80. So something must be, you know, you're not getting this right. Well, maybe math is just not her thing. Right. Maybe she does. She does. She's not as good at math as somebody else. I think everybody has their own pieces of brilliant and that the current education system does not foster to those individualism. They're actually trying to create a collectivist society by being able to measure, you know, a kid's brilliance by standardized testing. Something Charlie and I very much agree. Disagree. I don't think they're necessarily doing that. But what they are is uninspired and underpaid and they're boring. Yeah. And kids go to their classes and they're bored out of their fucking mind. They have to get this stupid grade so they can keep going. Me. Yeah.

106:52I was so bored. I was so. Those personality types. Well, you're, you got a lot of energy. I would imagine you sit in the class. Yeah. And I'm just like, what am I doing? And I always felt like they were stupid. Like, you know, I'm like, is this teacher even like smarter than, like, can we take a test? Like, just like a quick IQ test to see if I should even have to take a class from someone who's actually dumber than me. I remember having those thoughts like in high school, just being like, these teachers aren't even smart sometimes. Like, they're. You're not alone. Like, yeah. The good news is that from that you get this dissatisfaction, this feeling of just, just not, not wanting to be a part of this anymore. And then you start seeking other ways to make a living, other ways to get. I mean. For me, I got on YouTube and I started talking about stuff and people responded to it. And.

107:31So how did you go full blown conservative? You've been to the White House. Yes, I have. How the fuck have you been to the White House? You were a conservative for two years. I know. Two years ago. This is why some conservatives hate me. You're talking shit online. I know. Well, I'm telling you, it's because you're like a conservative wet dream. I know. I know. It fosters a little bit of jealousy, but I'm like, I'm like, dude, this is, but this is like, I believe in this so much that I wish we could stop that because like, I'm like, no, let's change the paradigm. Like, let's get Trump to do the, like the Joe Rogan show as opposed to saying, you know what I mean? Like there's, but people don't see things that way. It's all about me, me, me. The ego comes out, you know? So, but anyways. Anyways, so I, I met Charlie. That was a huge thing that happened. I was speaking at the David Horowitz Freedom Center.

108:12Look, Charlie's 24. You could ask why he's flying around with the first family too, but he, when you meet him, you understand. He's just absolutely brilliant. And we just wanted to do this together. I met him and I said, look, I think that there needs to be a black revolution against the Democratic Party. I think I'm the person to lead it. Like I'm your girl. And I was speaking on a panel with Dave Rubin about why I left the left and what I understood about the left and he hired me on the spot and the rest is sort of history, you know? I mean, that's, that's really it. I worked, I work my ass off. The one thing that. So who hired you? Charlie Kirk. He actually runs Turning Point USA. I know he's like so young. It's insane. And you should look him up and figure out who he is because he's, in my opinion, he's going to be a future president of the United States. And everyone says that.

108:54Everyone, every show he's been on in Fox says like very rarely do you meet, like Rush Limbaugh just said, very rarely do you meet someone and think that's going to be a president of the United States. Charlie Kirk will be a president of the United States. Yeah, but Rush is probably on like 18 different kinds of pills when he said that shit. I know, I know. He said it so many times. Chilling them down. Yeah. But yeah. Is he clean now? How's Rush doing? Is he clean now? I didn't even know that he was not clean. He took a hundred pills a day. That's scary to me. Oh, he went deaf. He went deaf from taking pills. That's insane. Do you understand this? Yeah. He got to get a fucking. I won't even take Tylenol. I don't even like, I'm just like. You know who told me that, by the way? Fair, fair warning. Alex Jones. He explained to me the mechanism of Rush Limbaugh going deaf from taking pills.

109:35So Rush, if I'm wrong, I'm sorry. Right. Yeah, I have no idea. But I'm going to be right. Can you find out if it's true? It's true? It's on his Wikipedia. Oh, that he went deaf from taking pills? Yeah, that he had gone almost completely deaf. Wikipedia never lies. Look up mine. Exactly. Me and Brian Callen are brothers and sisters. Something. But yeah, so I just, I've worked incredibly hard. I feel like I haven't slept since last year. I'm traveling every day. Fluid. You seem like a politician, but not 100%. I'm not. And that's what bothers me. People ask me, they're like, Candace, what are you going to do? I'm like, I'm not a politician. I'm just a girl who talks about stuff that I believe in. And people view me as a politician. I don't understand. Does it say it's from the pills, though? You pulled that article. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you, but you pulled that article on the screen.

110:18Does it say it's from the pills? What about me seems like a politician. This is what I don't get. You're a little bit polished. You've got a little bit of a sort of a plan. You've said these things before. What? A lot of the things you're saying. You're very good at it. You've got a well-oiled path. It's a nice groove in your brain where you know how to say these things. And then occasionally you pop out of it and you're just playing Candace. But when you're like, I'm going to lead black America. I'm going to go against the Democrats. But I believe that. I believe you believe it. I believe you believe it. That's the plan. I believe you said it. Many, many times. What I just said to you? Yes. Yeah, I told you. I told this to Charlie Kirk in November. I'm like, this is what I want to do. This is my plan. So I'm just a person that's going after my goal.

110:56And then as I started accomplishing it, people are just like throwing shade and hate. And I'm like, dude, like now it's turned into like. What has been the shade and the hate that you think is like unwarranted? Like, okay. So first off, like, let's not pretend like we can talk about social justice, like warriors on the left. We have them on the right too. Let's not pretend we don't have the people that like they can't. Like as soon as I got to 100,000 YouTube followers, every YouTuber suddenly was like, who is this? Deep dive. And then they came with the like, she was, she, yeah, she, she, she, she created social stuff. She, cause she wanted to dox my, like the most bizarre. I have YouTubers that are looking up like, has she ever dated a black guy? Like the most absurd. I'm like, what are you guys doing? Like, can we just all like just peacefully coexist? Like what would be the issue?

111:40I call it game of conservatives. Have you ever dated a black guy? Yes, of course I dated black guys. No, no, no. I'm not asking you. I'm just saying like, what would be the issue? What would be the article? I know. I'm like, what is the article going to read? What if you had the same boyfriend from high school and he happened to be white? Would that be a problem? It would be a big problem. It would be an article. That's for sure. Yeah. 100%. But they just start like digging it and I'm just like, guys, I'm just working hard. And if you want to know what my strategy is, I don't make videos about you guys. I make videos about what I care about. I have a brand. I define my brand. Your brand is just going after people. And that's not, that's not a brand at all. There is a weird thing on YouTube where they have these little communities of people and they attack each other in the communities. Yes.

112:12Have you ever seen the vegan hate videos where they go after each other? But yeah, it was like banana. What's it? Banana girl or something. Yeah. There's a few of them. Or freely or something. Yeah. I've heard about it. I've heard about it. It's fucking crazy. I call YouTube like YouTube high. Like it's like, and I was like the new girl who showed up. Yeah. But they're like 40. Yeah. And I know that's what's weird. But like, I was like the new girl who showed up and like, you know, was a cheerleader. Yeah. I like the cheerleading team all of a sudden. And you were like 16. You weren't even 14. Yeah. And they were like, no. Fuck her. No, no, no. YouTubers hate me. They hate me. And I'm like, but I was like, I don't want to be a YouTuber. I just plugged my content on YouTube. That's even worse. And then I really hate me. Now they're getting mad. Yeah. That's bizarre.

112:53I never run into them because like they don't have, like there's no brand here. But they don't go outside. I really don't think they go outside. But there's no brand. If you don't. But if they see you, they run. Run back inside and make another YouTube video. Yeah. That's bizarre. So there's YouTube high. Then you have what I call Game of Conservatives. Which is like, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Like they're all like racing for the throne. And I feel like I'm like, guys, like there's like White Walkers at the wall. Like, you know, the left is trying to like turn this into communist America. Can we not compete for like the egos? That's like, yeah. It's Game of Conservative. You're helping save America. I genuinely believe that like right now is the only time that we have to save this country. I genuinely believe that.

113:29Like we're at the, I think if Donald Trump did not win the election, we would have lost America. I genuinely believe. Lost it? Lost it. Like Hillary, the globalist initiative, just this like the, I like, they were like communists. Like it just, to me, I really believe that this is an opportunity to sort of like, we're like the last stand for Western civilization. Look what's going on in Europe. It's like insane. And people don't understand that. I'm like, what is going on in Europe right now is like, like Europe's done. Like, did you watch the PragerU video? Like Europe has committed suicide or whatever it was called? No, but I had Douglas Murray on the podcast. He was trying to explain to me his book, The Strange Death of Europe. Oh, I think he did a PragerU video on that too. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. It's real. Like they lost Europe. And the last stand for Western civilization is America.

114:12And then you have people that are competing for egos. I'm like, guys, no, like there's white walkers at the point. But I don't understand how you think that we, we, you're, we're almost losing America and there's a battle for America. I really feel that like just in, in every regard in terms of just, just the people that were running like Hillary Clinton. Like this woman was a globalist. Like just think about who we were, who we were in bed with, like Saudi Arabia, selling all of our uranium to Russia. Like Trump came in and was like, no, like America, people, we were, the gap, like we lost the, we're losing the middle class. The gap between the rich and the poor was like literally. What do you think is causing that? Policies, shipping all of our jobs overseas, the regulation, the government getting bigger and bigger.

114:54You can't do anything as an entrepreneur, entrepreneur in America without a piece of paper from the government. Discouraging people with a piece of paper, like sending, like shutting down the factories, forgetting that there's something, you know, there's a little land between New York and LA, believe it or not. Like, you know, and this is what Trump understood. We were losing that. And, and Trump appealed to that, those people. I'm still floored. Like as I'm traveling the world and seeing different pieces of the country, I'm learning how ignorant I was. Like, and that's the best thing in the entire world. Just, I fell victim to the idea that like it was progress. It was progress. It was progress. We have to care about the environment. It was progress. And it's like, no, like we've been losing. America has been losing. And Donald Trump understood that in a way that I didn't. And I thought.

115:35Do you think we have to care about the environment? No, not even a little bit. Not even a little bit? No. Okay. Let me, let me clarify this. I don't throw trash on the ground. Like, I'm not saying like we need to like, you know, trash the environment. Like, but do I believe in climate change? No. You don't believe in climate change? No. I think the climate always changes, I guess is what I should say. Do I believe that this is like, you know, an issue that is being, that is global warming, which they've changed conveniently. They got rid of the word once scientists started disproving it. Now they only say climate change. No. I think that that was just a way to extract dollars from Americans. I don't at all believe. They had no actionable plan. It was great for Trump to get out of that deal. It was terrible. Okay. But this is an incredibly complicated subject. Right.

116:18And if you would have to talk to a bunch of different scientists and see how they gather data and see what they understand about CO2 levels and what's the danger of them and what can combat it and what could not. Have you done all this? No. So I think. Do you take this flippant opinion based on the party line? This is not, this wouldn't be the hill I died on. Right. But it's not about the party. I just genuinely, I've read a ton about it, but I would not be able to, I would not be able to come to you and say like, this is my strong opinion. But here's like the easiest way to say this, right? The fact that there is a disparity in the science community about whether or not it's real is enough to. It's very little. Very little disparity. Most, most, most scientists, most, the vast majority agree that human beings are negatively affecting climate change. Yeah. The vast majority. Yeah.

117:02I don't, I just, I just don't think so. So you think that the very few scientists that disagree with the consensus are the ones that are correct. Well, I think if something is, it's, it's either subjective or it's objective and there are objective truths, right? But it's subjective if you're saying that there are some, I don't think there's very little. There are some that don't get paid to go on TV. There are some that are not Bill Nye who are not funded scientists. And that has been a whole. Well, Bill Nye is not a scientist. I know. He's not. He's a. It broke my heart when I found out. He's a science. Mouthpiece. Propagandist. But that's the, that's the point. He's a science. No, that's not a good word. I don't think Al Gore is a scientist. He's not. But Bill Nye is like a science influencer or a science entertainer. Yeah. He's like a. But he doesn't have a background in actual science. He's not a scientist.

117:47He doesn't have a PhD. He's got an undergraduate. I learned about him in school. Everything I knew in science had to do with Bill Nye. Well, he promotes science. Right. And science is not bad. But the real problem is with climate change is that for sure there has been ups and downs throughout the history of this planet. They're observable. They follow them in. I mean, this is one of the subjects that I had earlier today with Dr. Robert Schock. In 2014, the vast majority, 87% of scientists said that human activity is driving global warming, yet only half the American public ascribed to that view. So. Well, what website is this? 87% and this is. Scientific American. Yeah. Yeah. Dot com though. Like, that means it's making money. I don't trust that. If it was a dot org, I would probably take that. But this is just a random website and I don't trust that.

118:34Well, Scientific American is not necessarily a random website. Yeah. I don't believe this like at all. Just so you know. You don't believe it like at all? I genuinely don't believe it. I know you do, but I genuinely don't believe it. Well, I believe most of the time the consensus of scientists that are studying the data. Right. And so what they're doing is studying. But do you remember all of the stories that came out about the scientists that said that when they tried to present their evidence to show like they were basically just getting shut down at every corner? You can pull that up too. What do you mean? Like scientists who look up, I guess, look up the opposite. Right? Instead of looking for what you're searching for, looking for what you're not looking for. I didn't search for it. That's what I found when I searched it. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Look up. But this is my question. Why are you so sure?

119:15This is an extremely complicated subject. And it is. Because I said I am not so sure that I would die on the hill for it. My opinion right now is just that it was a means. Because forget the fact of whether you believe global warming is real. Let's say it's 100% real. Let's say we know for the fact it's real. Is there a way to... Well, let's be clear. Yeah. Global warming, global climate change is definitely real. It's happening. Well, but it's always happened. Yes. It has always happened. So what are we... What is the... This is the climate change? Yes. The climate changes. It was different weather yesterday than it was today. The climate is forever changing. Like that's the problem is that people are making it seem like that's something weird. No, no, no. It's not unique. You're misrepresenting the issue. The issue is people think that human beings are exacerbating climate change to the point where

120:01there's a tipping point. We cross over that tipping point. We're going to deal with huge problems that could be corrected if we act now and put a lot of funding into climate control. Okay. And this is what Howard Bloom was on talking about a few days ago. He was talking about that the real future involves the technology of climate control and that what we have to be really careful of is letting it get too far where you can't ever stop it and pull it back. This is what scientists are warning about. This is why they want emission standards. This is why they want to figure out how to get people to be aware of the fact that this is a real issue. Now, irregardless, human beings, if they never existed, the earth has constantly gone through cycles. The question is not whether or not the earth has gone through cycles of cooling and warming. The question is, are we exacerbating that?

120:53The vast majority of scientists say we are. Now, this could negatively impact all sorts of coastal cities. This could be a gigantic problem. This is not like propaganda that's drummed up by some sort of big business that seeks to make money off of this or some sort of organization. Well, they were making money off of it. Al Gore might have made some money off of it. But who's making money off of it? The agreement that we were in, that was like the amount of money that America was losing. But here's what I was going to ask you. Wait a minute. The amount of money America was losing? Who was America? The Paris Agreement. This is the reason why we wanted to get out of the Paris Agreement. But that's what I wanted to get to. So let's say we all agree that global warming is real. I don't believe it's real. Okay? So I can't sit here. But here's the question. But why have a belief? What do you mean?

121:39Why have a belief as to whether or not global warming is real or not real? Because I just find that when things... You're correct. You're correct. But why have a belief in it? Right. So it's not a belief in it. I don't believe in it. No, it's not a belief. But you have a belief that it doesn't exist. Right. No. I personally think that this was just the next... The fact that it was presented to us by Al Gore and it's just... It's not presented to us just by Al Gore. Right. Al Gore made a film. Right. And he's been called the first green billionaire. Yeah. He's made a shitload of money off of that. And he flies in his private plane because he's so worried about the emissions. Okay. That is hilarious. Yeah. There's something hilarious about that. All of the people that are telling us... I'm not a fucking politician. Right. There's grossness to all that stuff. Right. Right. And that's what worries me.

122:21So my question is, let's say that it's real. Okay. Let's just assume. Like, that's the best way to have a debate. Let's say it's 100% real. Do you feel that you have found in your research that there is something that human beings can do that would change this all around? It's possible. Yes. One of the things that they're figuring out how to pull carbon out of the atmosphere and even possibly reuse it. There's all sorts of things that people are trying to do. I mean, we had... What was the young man who made that device? Boy on slot. Boy on slot. He figured out a way to make this device that pulls plastic out of the oceans. They're figuring out a way to... That's important. Yeah. There's a lot of... Well, because plastic just can't, like, over time. But that's what I mean. Like, so when I say that I'm... Like, I believe in recycling. Like, I'm not like a person that's like, this is...

123:08But the idea that the government is just going to take trillions of dollars because we're in some agreement where we're all agreeing that we should do something is useless. And look, from the stuff... Like, there's obviously a lot of debate here. And as I said, like, I'm not so... The one thing you'll always find with me is I'll never pretend to be so educated on something. Like, I'm not going on a college campus just talking about global warming. I don't do that. Right. But why are you saying that you don't think it exists, though? I just... I don't know. Maybe because it got so... Here it is. Maybe because it got so politicized. Studies into scientific agreement on human-caused global warming. And look at all the studies. It's between 100% and 91% at the lowest. 91% of one of the studies from 2014. This is the union of concerned scientists.org. They almost... It's a pretty broad consensus.

123:57Who are they polling? Is it the people that are a part of this? That's a good question. That's what I'm asking. 10,306 scientists to confirm over 97% of climate scientists agree. And over 97% of the scientific articles find that global warming is real and largely caused by humans. So my question to you is if you want to step outside of the scientific consensus, which is vast and involves 10,306 scientists, and just say, I don't believe in it, even if you're right, even if you're right, you don't have enough information to say that. Right. You might be correct. But that's what I said. That's the whole point. But you're saying you don't believe it. Yeah. I would have to have someone sit down and convince me that it was real. I personally don't believe it. That's okay. But why... It's good to start at a place of not believing something. No, it's not. You think you should start with believing everything.

124:50It's not believe either or. Not believe yes. Not believe no. But don't say you don't believe. Yeah. Learn about it. Yeah. Learn about it and then have an opinion. But you're stating this opinion without having any real understanding of what climate science is. But that's exactly what an opinion is. I'm not going... Like I said, if you said that, Kenneth, you went on to 10,000 college campuses and you said that Global War wasn't real, then we'd have a problem. You and I are just having a conversation. Yeah. But why have an opinion on something that you don't have data about? Right. This is my question. Yeah. I don't necessarily have an opinion on climate science. I really don't. Yeah. Because I don't know much about it. But what I do know is that what I've read is that the vast majority of people who study it are in agreement that human beings are affecting it. I don't...

125:33Just my recall on a lot of things that I read, and this was a while ago. So this is where I, when I first formed my opinion on not believing this, I read a shit ton of articles. Can't recall the data because, like I said, this wasn't something I was super passionate about. It was like somebody posted something, and then I went on like a terror reading about it. But it was essentially just noting that in a lot of these studies, like when you go and you... If we had time to sit down and really pull this up, they're pulling, you know, 10,000 scientists that are within a community that is... Like these .orgs, do you believe in everything that MediaMatters.org puts out for statistics? Right? That's a political arm of the Democratic Party. We're talking about a different subject. I know, but I'm just... But politics versus science. But this has been politicized. That's the thing.

126:16Science has been politicized. Yes, it has. Global warming in particular has been politicized. 100% it has been politicized. Right? That's the whole reason I fell down this dark hole one night reading about it. And I didn't. I was like, you know what? At the end of the day, I don't really care. It has been politicized, but I think that's also maybe why you're saying you don't agree with it so quickly. Right. Because it's an ideological right-wing point. Right. Is that global warming isn't real. Right. If you're one of those people that thinks global warming isn't real, you're almost always on the right. Right. And that's fine. But I'm telling you that, like, again, I didn't do a deep dive on all of this because I read about it because it was at a forefront of discussion. So I read about it all night.

126:51And my conclusion was that they started pulling up all of these studies and the person that, you know, did this that I did a deep dive on. And they started showing how, like, these community of scientists were, in fact, somewhere behind that dot org or someone that was being funded. So to me, the issue got too politicized for me to believe that global warming was something that was going to wipe out the world. Now, scientists get funded. That is a fact. Yes. But that doesn't mean that the funding affects the scientific research and the data, which they all agree on. And this is universally across the entire planet. Thousands and thousands of scientists would not stake their reputation on false data. What they're saying is not that the only reason why the world is getting warm is because human beings.

127:35That the only reason why the climate isn't totally static for the rest of eternity is because of human beings. What they're saying is we are negatively impacting our own environment. And we're doing it because we have poor technology and we use coal and fossil fuels and emissions. And we're raising our CO2 levels. And this is based on data. And this is something that you can look at. You could look at the data and follow where they're getting this information from and follow how they're making these conclusions and follow the vast majority of these. These brilliant people who study this shit their whole life. Yeah, exactly. And look, if I was a person that was putting forth policy on climate change or if I was a person that put out my opinion publicly on climate change, I would do all of that. I'm just not. I understand what you're saying. But what I'm saying is that you are a very smart person.

128:26Yeah. And people listen to you and they're going to listen to you for a long time, I believe. But this is what I hate. But this is what I hate. But hold on. Let me finish what I'm saying. You don't have to have a form of opinion on everything. No, no, no. You don't have to have a form of opinion on everything. What you do have to have is the ability to know when you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. But I just said that. I said that to you the entire time. But you said you don't believe it. Yeah. But you don't believe it. And then you asked me and I said this wouldn't be the hill I chose to die on because I don't follow it. But why even say you don't believe in it? Because I just personally... How about not have a belief until you really have looked at the data?

128:55Okay, so you would prefer if my language as opposed to admitting that I do not know this, I wouldn't die on this hill, I've never made a view, I've never made a public statement. You would have preferred if I had just started by saying I have no opinion. No, I don't know. Okay. That's what I'm saying. But I said I didn't know. No, you say I don't believe in it. Yeah. I don't believe in it. You're saying really clearly that you don't think it's real. Yeah. So, I mean, I think it would be the same if I said to you, like, you know, do you believe in God? Right? No, I would say I don't know. You would say... So, I feel like this is sort of like linguistics, though. No, I would say I don't know. Okay. I always say I don't know. I don't know. I'm agnostic. Most people say, like, I believe it or I don't, right? So, it's like if you say... I think a lot of people say they don't know. Okay.

129:35I think believe is definitely a word that's associated with God. Right. But a lot of people say that they don't know if they believe in God. But if you say I don't believe in God, and then somebody starts saying, oh, you need to form it, it's like, I just don't believe in it. No. No, you don't, because God is not scientific data. Right. There's a big difference between measuring the CO2 levels in the atmosphere and deciding whether or not there's an afterlife. Right. I just... I'm sorry that... I just don't believe... I don't believe in global warming. I'm happy to form... You're allowed to not believe in it. That's all I've been trying to say is I don't believe in it, but I have not... My problem is you're an influencer. Yeah, but... And you're a very bright person. But I would...

130:08If somebody had asked me, like, at a place where I'm influencing on a college campus, what's your opinion, I would say I have none. I bet you would say I don't believe in it like you just did. That is absolutely not... But you just did. There are so many instances where you could watch this. Just like... And you can ask Dave Rubin. When he asks me a question, I say, I don't have an opinion on it. About a different subject, perhaps. Because you and I are having a conversation one-on-one. I'm not sitting here to try to... I don't go on campus talking about global warming because I don't have an opinion on it. But if you press me and ask me if I believe in it, no, I don't really believe in it. But could I go deep dive and learn that perhaps I'm wrong? Sure. I personally am inclined to believe that a lot of those studies are manipulated.

130:46As I said, during the one night that I did deep dive on it and when they showed, like, all the pieces of evidence or whatever, it just seemed a little shady to me. I felt that it was politicized. But I think that I have a right to say that I don't believe in something that I also don't know. And that's what I said to you. I don't believe in it. But I wouldn't die on this hill. I don't know enough about it. You did say you wouldn't die on this hill. Yeah. But you also said you don't believe in it. And you stated the reason why because you think it's a scam. Yeah. Yeah. That's the truth. Do you want me to lie to you? No, it's okay. But I just think it's a complicated issue. It's very, very complicated. It may be complicated. That's fine. But what do you want me to lie to you and say I'm not a politician? No. You want me to... No. The correct term...

131:24I don't think people do when they're like, oh, Obama, if they ask you a question and you don't know, this is the way. I'm not running for office. I'm answering... I'm talking to you. I don't believe in it. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. I can't be fake. I'm not asking you. This is my number one problem in life is I can't be fake. And I know that you're pressing me here and that you want me to adjust and to say I do not have an opinion or the... I'm not a politician. I'm telling you I don't believe in it. Could I change my perspective and believe in it a year after I read stuff? If you were just a regular person and you said, I don't believe in it, I'd probably go, all right. But the problem is you're not. You're a very influential person. But I'm aware when I'm on stage, when I'm on my YouTube channel, there's no videos of Candace Owens talking about global warming. I'm aware of that. There is now.

132:04Yeah, exactly. Now it's going to be joking and can't go out of the way. I just... Yeah, exactly. And people are going to be mad at me. It's weird because... You're fucking global warming shill. Global warming's fake. You know what's funny though is that this feels so like we're not on the internet right now. I still don't feel like we're on the internet. This is the problem. Yeah. But if you and I were on a college campus, I'd be like, eh. I'm not really sure. I don't have an informed opinion on it. I don't know jack shit about global warming. I really don't. I think the real fear is not even global warming. The real fear is global cooling. The ice age is the most terrifying thing that can happen to human beings. Yeah. When that shit happens, everybody dies. Yeah, I know. Global warming, you just move inland. Yeah, I think that the real thing that people are concerned about is just beyond any of that stuff.

132:44I don't know. I think that there's more concerns in society. I personally think that some scientists started talking about global warming and it got politicized and they figured it was another way to extract human beings' money because of fear. That's my opinion. I think there's probably some truth to that. And then they said, we're going to find our core scientists that agree with everything we say. It's been proven that Harvard studies have been incorrect because they were being funded by certain political interest groups. So I'm not inclined to pull up something. I'm blanking. It'll come back to me in a second. But there were Harvard papers that have been funded by certain researchers that are trying to get a certain political position out. And it causes mass fear. People are willing to spend their money a certain way. It's entirely possible. It is. It's real. That's very real. People are flawed.

133:23So I'm not inclined when someone pulls up an article and says, look, 10,000 scientists, I err on the side of, okay, I don't know who those scientists are. I don't know what this organization is funded by. So I'm going to stick by my guns and say I don't really believe in it yet. Now, if I decide that I'm going to run for office and I've got to make a decision on the atmosphere and what we're going to do about global warming and CO2 emissions, you better believe I will be fully ready to discuss it. I'm not going to make a YouTube video and just know the outskirts of it. I don't do that. Right. But if you and I are having a discussion, sorry, I don't believe it. Like, I don't know what else to say. I would say again. Open to learning. Okay. Open to learning. I'm always open to learning. I've been wrong before. I was a liberal two years ago, you know, or three years ago. So that's not a problem.

134:00I'm open to learning, but I'm not going to, like, say something that feels inauthentic. And what I wanted to say there was I don't believe in it. It's just one of those things that it's become, it's a real right wing talking point. It's like, there's very few people, like, like pro-life is a very right wing talking point. It's very few, I would imagine. I'm not just guessing, but very few liberals who are also pro-life. Well, no. So when I first went on Dave Rubin's show, he asked me about that. And I said, I don't really know. I'm forming my opinion on it. Like, just like you and I just said about global warming. I said to Dave Rubin about pro-life and pro-choice. And he was like, this is the first time someone has just said that. Like, just said that I'm forming an opinion on it. And didn't feel like they needed to get an answer. And I said, I'm not a politician. Same thing I'm saying to you.

134:40Like, I can answer how I feel. Sure. And I'm happy to learn. That's a different kind of subject. Right. But then I wanted to get really educated on it. And I became pro-life, but not because I think people that are pro-choice are awful human beings, you know, who needed to burn in hell. But just because the history of it is really shady with Margaret Sanger. And because I do recognize that it does seem a little off-putting. I don't say, like, you know, I'm pro-life. But I just say to people that, like, the idea that the left is so pro-choice at the same time that they are running around reporting to, you know, Black Lives Matter, it doesn't make any sense. When you look at the numbers of, you know, black babies never even get the chance to live. And when you look at the numbers and just understand that 17 million black babies have been exterminated since 1973.

135:22So what kind of black lives do you care about? I don't believe that a baby's life starts after three months. I think that that's crap. That's scientific crap. And we could probably pull up some articles that say, for sure, the baby's life does not begin until three months. Well, we want to know the best indication that the baby's life begins before it because you have to rip it out of the stomach in order to kill it. If left alone, it would grow into a baby. Right. So I've thought about that issue and now I have a stance on it. Like, and that would be my stance, you know, if I was President of the United States. I don't want to be the President of the United States. You know, let me say what Trump said. Say that now. If I stepped up, if my country needed me, like he said 10 years ago, I would step up and I would do the job. Do you have aspirations?

135:59I promise you, I get this question all the time on the road. Candace, do you want to be in the White House? Do you want to be in the White House? I would love if Charlie Kirk was the President of the United States. I would have fun being the press secretary. I'd be like, just let him in. Let the dogs in. Like, I would just, it just looks like a fun job because they're so crazy. What the fuck is wrong with you? That looks like a fun job? It does because they're just so crazy. And I would just like, you would have fun at that too, I feel like. What the fuck I would? That's what I'm saying. It would be a fun job. No. They're so serious. And like, I'm like, you take yourself seriously like Jim Acosta. You'd be running the government of the greatest empire the world has ever known. You think that would be fun? That doesn't even seem remotely fun. Yeah, I know. I'm being a little facetious.

136:39Yeah, that seems insanely stressful. Who's the press secretary now? Sarah Sanders. Sarah Huckabee Sanders. She crushes it. She looks stressed out. Well, I think she's just trying to have a game face. She's just like, what stupid question am I going to ask now? She just looks like, Jesus Christ. It's one of those things that's like, how far can you swim? Some people could swim for 70 hours. Yeah. Nobody could swim forever. Yeah. And that's what that job looks like to me. You just have to swim forever. Yeah. Nobody can swim forever. Yeah. But I didn't start this because I wanted to get into politics. I started this because I saw a dial that needed to be moved. Well, you're obviously a very ambitious person. You seem very ambitious. Listen, I'm good no matter what space I'm in, whether like when I was in private equity, I'm always good at my job.

137:24When I put my mind to something, I can do something and people will be blown away. That's always been my character. And I will do it despite people saying I can't. Like that, to me, my whole to-do list is people telling me I can't. You know, like I don't like when people try to put me in a box. Like I really don't like the whole idea that because you were this, you can't be this. Like it's like I'm always going to decide what's best for me. Well, this seems like what led you to be Republican in the first place. I'm not Republican. Well, excuse me, right wing. What are you if you're not Republican? I'm independent. You're independent right wing? I'm independent. No, I would say- Are you conservative? What are you? I would say I lean right. I definitely lean right because that to me is just if you believe that people are allowed to have different opinions, you lean right.

138:02Like literally, that's where we're at right now. Like it's like you're not even allowed to have a dissenting opinion on the left. Pro-Second Amendment, clearly. Yes, I just think it's a slippery slope. Right. Pro-life. Right. Anti-global warming. You're checking off all the boxes. But I wouldn't see- The anti-global warming thing is like this is like something that Joe Rogan has forced on me. I genuinely- We were getting along great up until then. Yeah, I know. Right? Like this is- I just- I have no reason to believe that because some scientists that could very well be funded as we- They're constantly- Things are constantly being funded to create a public perception. I very much believe that. I see that and we see this just in the case of Donald Trump. If you go pull people in California, they're going to say he's a racist extremist. It's just that whatever's put on the internet, people believe as the truth.

138:48I like to do a deeper dive. I have not done a deeper dive on global warming, save that one night when I went down Dark Hole. All right. What other like right-wing talking points? Is there any that you don't agree with? Yes. I don't know if this is like still a thing, but I like I fully support gay marriage. Okay. That's a good one. And the reason is simple. Like regardless how people feel about gay marriage, the government has stepped in and is now doing marriage. And the idea that two individuals that are in love should get tax cuts while the others shouldn't is not sensical. Just because that doesn't make it. So forget that I personally don't think the government should have gotten involved in marriages in the first place, but because they have, you can't sit here and decide that two gay men don't get tax cuts and a man and a woman do. That's wrong from a governing perspective. I agree with you 100%.

139:36Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, that's a good one because that's one that gets slippery. Even Caitlyn Jenner isn't in a gay marriage, which is fucking hilarious. That one is like, this can't get anywhere. Yeah, I have cousins that are gay. Like it's even though despite the fact on the internet, I found I'm anti LGBT, which is insane. But I just think that since the government has stepped up and decided it's going to be in it, if it's the governing body, everyone should have a right to the same tax cuts. Why is the government involved in marriage? They shouldn't be. They shouldn't be. That's the real problem. But nobody talks about that. How are they involved? In what way? Well, it's just everything. You have to get married through the government. You get to be saved from the government. It gets recognized by the government.

140:11Your tax cut, you know, you get, you can check certain boxes when you do your taxes because you're married. So since the government is doing that, there's no reason why if two guys live in the same, you know, same house that they should not be allowed to get tax cuts. So the difference, it's the separation of the church and the state, right? Well, the state has taken on something that traditionally was in the church. And because it has, you have to be look at it objectively, despite your personal feelings and look at it objectively. And every, every person has a right to, to get a tax cut because they married the person that they love. Well, I agree. I'm a hundred percent with you on the gay marriage thing. So what other ones don't you agree with? Is there any other right wing talking points? I don't know what the right, but I don't even think about like right wing talking points. Build that wall.

140:50Well, yeah. So, okay. So first off the chance, just hilarious. So it's funny. Just jump in it, you know? But so the number one thing, so my whole shtick, the only time I snap back or get upset is because I'm really focused on the black community, dude. And the, the community that has been affected the most by illegal immigration is the black community. It's just a fact. I mean, you talk about low wage workers, the people that are the most unemployed in this company are young black men between the ages of 18 and 21, right? So they have been negatively impacted by the influx of people running over the border because they'll come here and they'll say, okay, well, you were going to pay this guy $7, you know, whatever the minimum wage is, we'll do it for less. And that directly impacts the black labor force. So I, you know, I recognize that we very much have an immigration problem.

141:32I think that the immigration, you know, they talk about diversity. It's not diverse whatsoever. Half of the immigrants that we take in are from Mexico. That's not, that's making America Mexico. That's a problem. If you want to take in some more from, from Africa, that'd be great. Only, only 3% come from Africa or I think 4% last year came from Africa. It's tougher commute. It's, it's, it's tougher commute, right? But the truth is that the argument that is behind people that are like so pro immigration and against the wall is that it's about diversity. It's not about diversity, right? If it's about diversity, let's go look around the country and actually make it diverse. There are tons of people that live in Africa that work their asses off that would love an opportunity to be in America. America. And we need to work that system out just because they have a geo advantage here doesn't make it fair.

142:11So I'm, I, I'm not, I'm pro coming up with a solution for immigration because it's, it's negatively impacting the country. You sound like you're running for president, Candace. That's what I'm hearing. I am not running for president. I'm hearing people going crazy and chant. You need a, like a, I need a logo. Let's just do it. Let's like, what would be my slogan? Make America great again is already taken. No, he took it. You need another one. Keep making America better. No. Even better. Even more badass. Even better. Even more better. I don't know. Yeah. No, but these, these are the things that, so anything like in every situation, you'll see this if you watch like Charlie and I live on campuses when we do this. Every situation where I'm asked my opinion, my answer is tailored towards the black community because I just think that we have really gotten the shit out of the stick. Do you write a lot of this stuff?

142:55A lot of these thoughts out? Are these, like, are they just locked in your head? They're locked in my head. I read, I make cards, like, to just remember certain numbers and to watch. Yeah. And I just do that, like, every night. Does this kind of weird you out that a couple years ago you were liberal and now you're not just a conservative, but you're on all these fucking cable network shows and you're constantly talking about it and you're the, and a lot of people look at you as, like, the hope for the future. You get a good-looking 28-year-old woman who's super articulate and smart and you can rattle off facts and statistics and talk real good on camera. We got one. We got a good one. You know, that's what they look. I mean, anyone young and vibrant, that's what every political party looks towards. Right. Like, you know, whether it's on the left or on the, I mean, they're constantly looking

143:40for somebody on the left. They're looking right now. We need someone to go against Trump. We need someone. We need someone good. It's looking bleak over there. We need someone good. Yeah. You know, they have the Charlie Booker. We need someone. We need someone. Corey Booker's a psychopath. Corey. Did I say Charlie? Sorry, Corey. He's an actor. He's a psychopath? Really bizarre. He's just an actor. It just doesn't come across as authentic to me, but whatever. Someone's a hater. Yeah. I do not like Corey Booker. I don't know Corey. I don't like him whatsoever. I bet he's a great guy. Yeah. He could be, personally, but publicly he's representing himself fictitiously, in my opinion. That's just my opinion. Sticking to it. Okay. Someone sounds like a politician. No. Stop. Attack. She knows how to go on the attack. No. It's the language I really don't like when people sit on a stage and go, racism, racism, racism.

144:21It's just, to me, it's insulting to people's intelligence. Talk to the black community about what's going on in the black community. You don't need to scare them. The fear politics pisses me off, and that's what they do. Every four years, it's fear politics. Well, you got to vote for us because racism, racism, racism. That's manipulating us. That's using fear to control what we do. Okay? We have a right to just be presented with the facts and being allowed to make a decision on our own. That's my really perspective. That's the big thing that's been so controversial. Candace Owens thinks that the black community should be spoken to about what's going on in their communities. They shouldn't be thrown Jay-Z and Beyonce concerts a la Hillary Clinton. Right? Is that really that controversial of a thought? It's broken the internet.

144:56I go out and I say, hey, I think that there might be a little more to the story than everybody's racist. And they go, oh my God, she can't say that. I'm not the first black concern to do this. I don't know why I'm the most controversial that this has turned into like- We already highlighted it. Yeah. You're young and you're good looking and you're very articulate. But I'm not the only good looking, conservative, articulate person. Find me another young one. Yeah. How many you got? I don't know. Young, whip smart, fast with the tongue. And I do want to say this. I think that the people on the left, they say, oh, it's just because she's a black girl. I'm just agreeing with them. It's like, no, it's because for the first time, someone who has the audacity, and it's not the first time. Doc, you know, I met with Secretary Ben Carson last week. Lovely man. Lovely man. You should have him on here sometime.

145:34Seems like a nice guy. He is brilliant. Lovely. He threw out all that shit when people were hating on him and angry at him. Never lost his cool. He's so calm. Yeah. Seems very calm. And I'm, so imagine he and I meeting, and I'm like the, like, knock him down, like, let me out. And he's like, hello, Candace. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, hello, Candace. I'm a brain surgeon. And we're just like, that's what you want, though, for a dude who's operating on brains. Yeah. I know. Calm. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, here's what we're going to do. Like, we're in his office. I'm like, and we just, like, love each other. Like, I mean, like, it was just a love affair. Like, I, he, it was, I didn't realize that I was so intellectually uninspired my whole life because I, I was in a room of people that didn't understand me. And I never realized how, how misunderstood I felt until I got into a room with, like, Secretary Ben Carson.

146:17And he just, like, got me. And Armstrong Williams, who was a close friend of his, and he just, like, got me. And Kanye West, right? Like, who they just, they get me. And it's, it's been so inspiring. And I'm so happy. And I don't think I've ever been this happy in my entire life. That's why it's hard for me to ever take a negative perspective on anything, really, except for global warming. It's not real. Um, because I'm, I'm, I'm like, I feel so alive. Like, I'm, I feel vivacious. And I, I see the change happening in the black community. I'm like, all you have to do is be an individual. I do not tell, I don't go on campus and say, vote for Trump. I don't say, um, you need to be a Republican. I actually have tons of problems with Republicans. People just don't ask me, you know, and they assume I'm a Republican. They assume I'm a registered Republican. That's just not true.

147:05Um, I, and I fully support the president. I love the guy. I don't know what to say. I love President Trump. I love his son. I love Don Trump Jr. Um, I love Eric. I love Ivanka. And that's controversial. I don't know. You're allowed to love him? They're great. They're great people. And I want you to meet them because they're, when you can't not like them. Like, think about like Don, like terribly wrong. No, I'm, this could be, this could go bad. But think about like Don Trump Jr. Like this is a guy who like is out hunting moose. I'm friends with friends of mine. I text him. I know the guy. He's supposed to come in here. We're supposed to play techno hunt. Yeah. Okay. I have a video archery game here. And he, he'll, he's like, you know, really like a grizzly bear, like out in the, in wilderness and nature. And it's just like, they've gotten a really like unfair shake in the media.

147:44You should be like their spokesperson. I love them. I mean, it's authentic. It's not like you're hustling for a job. No, I'm not. No, no, no. I've actually explicitly said I don't want to work on the administration. What if someone came along and said, we've got a sweet deal for you? No, I've already been offered people. Just so everybody knows who thinks, oh, she's pining for, I've been offered shows. Everything that you think that I've been offered, that I'm going towards, I've already been offered. I've actually believe in what I'm doing and I'm building my own company. I believe in it. Super ambitious. Yeah. Doesn't want to work for anybody. I don't want to work for anybody because then you have confines. Like let's say I went in, for example, worked for CNN or Fox News, right? Then I can't say David Hogg kind of sucks. But like that tweet, I would have had to remove about Chelsea Handler. Oh, right.

148:21Outrage machine. The best thing ever is when Jake's like deleted it. I'm like, ha ha. No. In fact, I'm going to retweet it. You could get away with it. Like Samantha, she did the right thing by apologizing. She made the right action. Yeah. She took the correct action. Yeah, she did. She took, she made the correct action. But what's so beautiful for me is I'm free. I say whatever I want and then they say delete it and I retweet it. By the way, that's what that's to me. That's freedom. Like you can't like, that's the best part of this is that I'm truly free. I can say whatever I want. I don't have advertisers that you can boycott. Like it's just, I can say my whole, my Twitter feed is just me. That's, that is a very powerful thing. Yeah. I feel so empowered. It's a very good thing, you know, and I'm sure your ideas, I mean, you, there's no better

149:01way to have your ideas expressed than to have no one that you're beholden to. Right. To have no boss. Yeah. I love that. And that's why it was like, you know, I started working for Charlie and then I started building my own company and now he's a part of my company and now we work for each other. And it's just like, we're, we're mission, we're mission driven and I do support the president, but I don't, I don't want to go work in the administration. That seems like a really, the worst job in America. That's what I'm saying. Why are you talking about wanting to be the secretary or press or whatever? No, no, no. I mean, particularly this administration has got it because they've, they're so angry and bitter about losing. Like by the next time 2024 comes around, you know, it'll be a little different, but they've just been like, Oh, like they're just like, it's, you can sense it. They're angry.

149:38Like definitely an ideological war going on. It clouds a lot of thinking. And who's winning. I don't know. You tell me who's winning. We're winning. We, you're Republican now. No, no. I didn't say Republican. You just, it's, it's, they're good. Who's we? No, we're winning. The independent thinkers. The people that think, yeah, see, see. Okay. Just checking. Yeah, exactly. You're Republican now. No, no, the people that, that have this mentality, the people that are, are, are, are freedom driven, that just want to be able to have different ideas. And that's why I snap back at, you know, conservatives too. I'm like, I'm not a product of the right. Don't think like, I don't want people to go, Oh, Candace is destroying the left. And she wants to create a model if on the right. No, wrong. All I want black people to do is understand you have a right to like certain ideas on both

150:19sides, but you don't like what you should never allow us for someone to use your identity to define how you have to think. You should always be the person defining how you think. That's the message that I say on college campuses. That's a very good message. Candace, we could probably talk for hours, but I got to get the fuck out of here. I know. I got to fly to Wyoming. I'm out. You're going to Wyoming? Yeah, right now. You going to hang out with Kanye on the ranch? Maybe. Maybe. Yes. That's what she's doing. She's going to go ride horses and shit. Yeah. Piss off. Piss off some more liberals. You're a firecracker. Thank you. Good luck to you. I really enjoyed talking to you. We'll do this again sometime. Absolutely. Thank you, Candace. Thank you.