JRE MMA Show #52 with Michael Bisping

00:00five four three two one boom and we're live mr bisping how are you sir what's up joe i'm good we finally did this man i know we've been talking about it for years it feels like a lifetime it's you know it's been quite a while man yeah yeah but uh yeah happy to be here quite the setup you have as an englishman please explain to me the hawaiian flag what the is the hawaiian flag i'm like i'm just confused i was looking at the other day when max holloway won i was like if i didn't if you didn't know any better and you looked at that you're like this is some strange flag right off the bat i'm like joel's a smart guy i've seen the podcast he goes deep on thing i'm like do i need to read some encyclopedias before i come on here and the first thing you say is explain the british flag sorry the hawaiian flag what is that well it's like i can't claim to be an expert on the history of hawaii

00:55i failed that class funnily enough but i would say that we colonized it at one point much like america i don't know if you know this uh yeah much like yeah you guys australia india yeah australia's got a funky flag yeah you know we like to insert the union jack in in lots of things and you think about the size of england how much of the world you guys kicked ass on it's pretty goddamn impressive it really is but again i'm not historian no but uh but no it is i'm a proud englishman i guess our ancestors well not my ancestors i'm my ancestors are polish and irish but uh but yeah the british they did okay did a lot of got a lot done they did they did you know i was at a uh they did a lot of terrible things i'm sure over there a little bit yeah i remember once i was in there in canada at uh at a party of all things about three o'clock in the morning that's what you know as one does and um

01:48i walk in and some guy starts going crazy at me the things that the british have done over the years you should be ashamed of yourself and he was causing a huge scene really screaming at me right and i mean going crazy and i'm like dude what the nothing to do with me he's like you should be ashamed so in the end i said well where's your family from and you're not gonna believe this he said mongolian germany oh i'm like you're a german you're a german and you're giving me about my heritage okay buddy i suggest you shut the up that's pretty hilarious about the history the germans way more recent oh yeah just a little bit just a little bit the english stuff is in the past that's like with swords and arrows and robin hood times come on come on you know do you like living over here yeah very much so you know i mean of course you know you miss uh you miss home you miss friends and family

02:40certainly um you know as you get older and your parents get older you know you you do think about those things but yeah it's great it's a great place to live your accent has tamed itself a bit well when you go back home do they give you about it i get all the time yeah all the time and then like what's this weird accent mike um and it's like this i'm intelligent enough to adapt to the surroundings that i'm in you know like i'll now say tomatoes instead of tomatoes because i don't want a cute little back and forth for five minutes with the waitress do you know what i mean i just want to order my breakfast and go about my day oh my god you're english you know what i mean i'll say tomorrow so i'll say coffee but when i go back home it kind of you know and then working on fox um they worked on me for a while they're like mike we like well we think we like what

03:31the problem is we can't understand what you're saying it seems like it's good stuff there's lots of energy there but uh you gotta slow down over pronounce your words so uh so yeah it it is a little bastardized have you thought about doing commentary on ufc cards have you done any of those yet i've just done um the what is it the contender series that's it yeah that's it but but i think it's well i know it well should be coming i've just negotiated a deal for yeah yeah you know because you're really excellent as an analyst well thank you very much i appreciate it enjoy your insight when you're on the panel that panel is great that that is one of the best things ufc has done is do that post fight show because when the fights are over you're sitting around going holy yeah and then to have you guys break it down and then break it down beforehand as well but break it down afterwards i

04:22really do enjoy that oh thank you very much yeah the guys do a good job um yeah it's fun you know i mean it's it's nice to be involved with the sport obviously as a martial artist as a fighter and they're now retired to still you know still have a little hand in there it's it's it's nice yeah but you've made a smooth transition from being a fighter to to retired it seems at least from the outside looking in that it seems fairly smooth it's like some guys have a rocky road it's it's hard for them well it's because um you know i mean i i i want to tell the truth while i'm on here so so i will tell the truth but you know i had eye injuries yeah you know so you know every from from when the eye injuries happened in 2013 i always felt like i was on borrowed time so i was conscious of trying to set myself up outside of the octagon where a lot of fighters don't have that luxury you know

05:13i'm thinking it could end at any moment so i was um actively pursuing a life outside the octagon a career outside the octagon so then when that day came i was good you know excuse me some carbonated energy drink that shall remain nameless but uh but but yeah so uh so yeah no i i was working on that for a while and yes you know things are going well you know there's quite a lot of things going on so uh yeah you do that podcast with louis gomez got the podcast believe you me uh i've got a company called playlime it's a uh it's a gambling it's fancy sports but it's fancy sports simplified basically it's kind of like a sports lottery so if we were focusing on the ufc who's going to win what round how many takedowns we do five stars you hit them bang on you get a billion dollars we had the analytics groups at harvard and yale come up with a league so the top 50 people split everything

06:08you get a billion you get a billion dollars a one buck a b boom billion dollars baby i'm gonna give away a million dollars every single day at playline.com in our first year he's blowing up he's blowing up big time we're just about to sign a deal with a couple of major sports franchises to be their official game so uh so that's going really well um so it's uh essentially like a fantasy uh martial arts thing like you just pick no it's nascar football mma the the beauty of play land is you can set a play line to anything like we can set a play line how many times is basically going to burp how many times you're going to get up and have a piss how many times is roger gonna roll his eyes at mike you know do you know what i mean you can set it for anything so it's very applicable uh how many times how many likes is kim kardashian going to get in her next post you know what i mean

06:57so it's um yeah you've been getting a lot of traction he's doing really really well very proud of it i would think if it's a billion dollars i would think it'd be like some guy richie movie where the some mobsters would get together with some fighters yeah this is how we're gonna do it see try and figure it down three times okay i've never heard an english gangster sound like they're from like 1920 chicago i've seen you see this is what we're going to do um but yeah yeah i guess no it's that hasn't no nobody's cheated yet but you know the reason why i said thanks for totally undermining the system joe really appreciate it the reason why i say this is because this is what happened with professional pool professional pool had a line at one point in time in vegas casinos and the pool players all got together and said listen let's put all our money on this

07:41guy who's the ten to one favorite to win it or ten to one underdog to win it and we'll all make money and so they all dumped and this one guy i think his name is mike lebron he won the whole thing the only way he could do that is if there was no stats no stats so if it was a game of basketball everyone would just have to stand there and do nothing right which i would assume i mean i don't know too much about basketball but i was i would just assume athletic commissions referees people you know somebody would say something if everyone was just standing there doing nothing well they did with pool they you don't can't gamble on pool anymore oh really cool players are too shady um yeah they're just well they are they're shady they're shady guys yeah you know anyone that plays pool in england it's because they spend so much time in pubs exactly you spend so much time in pubs

08:25you're hanging out with some interesting characters yeah you know yeah unsavory characters dude you you started at ufc ultimate fighter season two how crazy three what season three three what what season are they on now like 90 or some like what are they on i think they just did 28. 28 but that's crazy but that's only u.s they have the the brazilian one they have the australian diego sanchez is still going on it that's what's insane that's impressive season one he's a maniac he's a god bless him you know good for him good for him and he won recently which is totally impressive no i know and he fights in a way that isn't conducive to a long career no but he's had one my word it's incredible it really is he really is he's a warrior such a character too oh dude he's out of his mind in a good way i mean you know i mean that's a compliment i do as well yeah yeah no he's a maniac

09:14but uh i mean that guy season one and still still going strong no i know i know crazy crazy it's been a long ride for myself as well but uh enjoyed it enjoyed every minute of it it was great nice to nice to leave having won the title though right oh 100 oh yeah how nice is that to cap it off because you had such a long career man i mean you fought the best of the best and for you to cap it off knocking out luke rockhold and then having that oh no one could take that away from you no for sure you know i mean i was talking about this recently i'm filming a documentary called built for this and it's about my career and they were asking about that you know how would you feel excuse me this carbonating energy drink that's nameless energy drink um is it called creature or something like that creature or demon something like that mythological scary where was it yes scary

10:08scary monster there you go um no no they were asking about my fight career how would i have felt had i not won the belt and you know i mean it would have felt like it was unfinished business i wouldn't have been quite as content as walking away when i did had had i not won the belt other than winning the belt whoop and winning the ultimate fighter i'm sure but what was your most satisfying victory was it congley no no i don't know my most satisfying picture in my word oh anderson silva anderson so yeah that was a big one for me yeah that was a big one too because of the the cheap knee it was cheap it was glad she said that it was cheap i mean i'm a giant anderson silva fan yeah you know everybody is you don't get any bigger anderson silver fan than me but you didn't have your mouthpiece you were pointing to the mouthpiece you were separated and you took a pause and you thought the

11:00referee was going to separate you and give you back your mouthpiece and anderson comes in with the knee well i know the rules there has to be a lull in the action for the referee to step in you know and i'm backing up and and we're not engaging in blows to me that's a lull in the action yeah so i take that moment to point down over here and say my mouthpiece and as i'm down there boom he throws a beautiful knee it's beautiful it really was perfect yeah and good for him you know i don't hold it against the guy it is what it came back yeah like it wasn't easy it wasn't easy i'll tell you that that took every part of my will to uh continue but yeah but you came back and won the next round mm-hmm that was what yeah spectacularly impressive well that's what you said what is the most satisfying win and i'd say that was one of them of course you know beating rock hold and

11:49winning the belt nothing tops that but the big one too because you came in on short notice as well sure sure but the uh yeah the anderson one because of that you know it just made the storyline so much better yeah you know to fight through that adversity to um you know have to uh dig deep after winning it or you know i won the first dropped him dropped me in the second round third round i was winning then that happened so yeah no it felt good it felt good yeah that was uh that i mean that also like to just to get a victory over that guy when it all said and done there's uh there's some yeah listen i'm aware of that people would say oh but you didn't get anderson in his prime well maybe it wasn't his prime but with the amount of that i talked i certainly see a difference in the way he fought me to the way he's fought recently you know and yeah it's funny because

12:38people always say you're not worried that when you talk going into a fight that you're gonna motivate your opponent even more and i always used to say ah no don't be stupid listen they're gonna try and hit you as hard as they can but i don't know in that one i think it did motivate anderson because he was certainly not about in that one that's for sure no you it wasn't it wasn't like the anderson in the derrick brunson fight that's for sure yeah that was a different fight right derek brunson and him almost like they made an agreement they didn't fight yeah it was a weird fight yeah it's like derek bronson didn't want to risk anything didn't want to engage with him too too quickly or go too hard but then you see some of his fights he comes at you like a marauder who derek brunson oh yeah no absolutely um i was talking about this recently with the israelite fight and i i think i kind of

13:27pissed israel off with a couple of my comments and that wasn't my intention i said excuse me i said i'm not i don't know if i'm completely sold on israel yet and what i meant by that i didn't mean sold on him being a great fighter because he's clearly a great fighter he's clearly world class what i meant was sold on him being the future of the division and being the champion that's what i meant because brunson never showed up in that fight right and i mean that with the greatest of respect he was like a deer in the headlights you know he was intimidated he'd just been knocked out of jacare you know i was a little gun shy you know and it was a great performance israel did what he needed to do but as i say you know it takes two to tango and there was only israel really fighting in that fight so when i said those comments i said oh i'm not entirely sold on that fight that's what i meant i

14:16didn't mean because i don't think he's world class or an excellent fighter because he clearly is i just meant not sold on that fight whether or not he's the future of the division well it's a stacked division i mean look you mean you still have joel romero at the top of the heap i don't know what they're doing with him i mean he was supposed to be fighting uh um oh yeah uh paula costello costa yeah who's a monster yeah if anybody is who's not on steroids who looks like they're on steroids it's him i'm sterile well it's not that easy these days with you but come on some of them are on steroids some of them but who's on okay you're telling me that you don't believe that joe romero ever took a steroid in his life i didn't say that okay i definitely didn't cook i think it's possible it's totally possible how's that fence you're sitting on i get it i get it but i mean

15:12it's a tough scenario for you to be in no no you have to see commentators honest bro if i believe it i'll say it and and let's not forget he tested positive there was that whole yes anytime somebody says it was a tainted supplement yeah it's you never tested positive friends never tested positive in my life let me tell you something i'm not a guy that scours the back of everything i read i'm a careless i really am i wish i wasn't but i am i'll just go through my life doing what i do i've been tested a million times never come close okay some of the guys they blow up the lab you know there's no smoke without fire you know what i'm saying i agree with you i agree with you i remember there was talk years back um before usada there was talk of certain camps that would hire guys who knew testing and these guys would orchestrate a program for these fighters to make

16:05sure that they didn't get caught right they would figure out ways to you know to taper off but still keep your gains and and make sure that you didn't test positive at all and this was done under the assumption that everyone else was cheating as well and this was for a long time that was how a lot of people viewed the sport there was guys like you bj penn there's a few guys that you just knew weren't going to do anything it was their word they said they were never going to do anything and and they never looked like they did anything you always maintain the exact same physique throughout your entire career well the thing is i i think where it started getting a little weird and i don't want to bang on about steroids too much because that's been a narrative that i've over yeah you know i've said my piece about that right i don't know you know bang on about it too much but i think

16:53where the water's really got murky is when trt came in yes when testosterone replacement therapy became a thing and all you had to do was go to your doctor and said hey you know i can't get a heart on or whatever and all of a sudden they sign you off oh you have trt no i know even worse you could take steroids first and then come off of it so your testosterone was low i'll really go to a doctor and say i have low testosterone of course yeah because it messes up your natural production obviously this is what girls did guys took steroids and then went in afterwards and said they have low testosterone because they were on steroids sure no exactly so then it became legal and then you had all these guys coming out there saying you know if i'm not on trt i'll die i'll die and then they outlawed it and then 10 years later some of them are still fighting to this day yes

17:40you know so without naming names you know who you are shame on you well we've talked about trt balcony trt vitor belfort forever i mean that was when he was on trt he was a different kind of human being he was just completely different than he is in any other circumstance oh yeah looking back you can see that i mean because when i fought him i fought him on trt you fought him when he was that though the super v tour absolutely looked like the incredible hulk yeah but muscles on his eyebrows yeah looking back you can see that you know but but at the time as a fighter you got to be you can't think like that you know what i mean what are you looking at huh that doesn't even do it justice no that doesn't do it justice yeah that's supposed to be before and after yeah i'm just recovering from a cold at the weekend i'm a little congested so i keep coughing the real

18:30the real key that's the better that's better that's way better that's much more accurate and he's a guy who was known to take things i mean he took things early in his career remember when he fought randy when he was 19 he was 240 pounds yeah yeah exactly his neck start at the top of his head yeah but um yeah i remember there was a a picture of us both on the scale in brazil and uh you know looking back now you holy you know anyone else would think i've seen this guy he's kind of big blah blah blah blah but you don't think like that at the time you can't as a fighter if you start having those thoughts those doubts start looking at a fighter's physique and thinking he looks good you've already lost you know but in hindsight you can look back and say holy what was i thinking you know this guy's bodied out of his mind i remember on that i was trying to get a

19:19rise out of him and he kept putting his hand in my face i'm not a religious guy and and you know god bless anyone that is you know i i mean that i respect everyone's opinions but i'm not and as we know vitor is heavily religious and he kept sticking his thing in my face he was pissing me off so i said vito come here come here and he leans in i said there is no jesus maybe there is maybe there is you know me getting there drops with a head kick in the second round maybe that was god thwarting me who knows what did he say some portuguese i don't know oh this there is the fine line right between talking and uh and backing it up yeah but you know you you you did a great job of pissing people off in your career and that is that plays a factor that whatever you could do to get just them a little bit out of their comfort zone a little bit out of their composure and

20:18you you were really good at that yeah you know you know i mean i hate that to be uh you know the first thing people say about me but you know it was one it wasn't it was a thing you know it was what i did and in my mind you know where i come from my background you know if we're going to fight then we're going to fight and and then it's all that war you know and until it's all said and done and if i can make you doubt yourself if i can you know it's like at the weighings at the waynes that's the last time you're going to get a chance to stand in front of your opponent and send a message to him you know what i mean and if you get in his face and you can just instill a little fear puff your chest that's why animals do it in the wild you know what i mean puffy chest out look intimidating look as angry as you can you know and and some fighters might just look at

21:03that and laugh and say this ain't going to work on me but some it does yes and and then and then they don't fight to the best of their ability because they're slightly doubting themselves and they're not fully committing to the punch or the kick and if they're not fully committing they're not 100 they're not fighting as well as they can be and i'm winning that battle you know so yeah you look like kind of a thug standing up there and pointing your finger and talking but it's for a reason you know it works it's mcgregor mcgregor is the best at it you know he gets people to fold look at dustin poirier he didn't even show up in that first fight it's true yeah he and yeah i mean don't get me wrong he was great as well you know it wasn't just the trash talk no he's great as well i think the nate diaz fight didn't it didn't work in that fight yeah nate doesn't give a doesn't give a

21:48there you go doesn't work exactly it doesn't work you talk at him he's like you it doesn't yeah it doesn't make him feel bad at all he enjoys it yeah exactly feel comforting yeah well you know i'm used to this just another day at the office you know yeah it's a it's a thing like a lot of people would wish that fighters were respectful and just you know treated it well the martial arts way and bow to each other and that's great it is you know it's funny i was working out this morning and the gym manager uh he said he said you know i said i feel like that side of things kind of you know it's killing the ufc and and i shut the up i'm like you know i nodded away and like you know i was respectful to the guy yeah um but i i see his point i understand what he's saying but it's entertainment and it gets people that that's another reason why i used to do it you're trying to sell the fight

22:38you know what you want you want every product you're involved with to be as popular as possible whether it's a podcast whether it's fighting whether it's whatever it is if no one's watching no one gives a then you're not going to make much money you're not going to get booked again you're not going to be on the big cards you talk a little i know from a consumer standpoint if i'm watching a fight i mean look at that last week with their fury and wilder yeah you know i was i was eating at the palm of their hands i mean it was an amazing fight but um you know it hypes it it's great it's awesome to watch i mean yes it is beautiful to see two fighters walk up there and bow and shake hands and all the rest of it but it's also a little boring if i'm honest like when i'm working the rain showers i'm like give me something to talk about please you know because i don't want to

23:19talk about your boring last fight that went to a split decision when nothing really happened but if you get in their face at the weigh-in great we can pump it up a little bit we can sell the fight we can hype it up yeah when they have these press conferences and no one's being mean at all i mean half the fun is tough yeah yeah no absolutely you know i'm enjoying myself i'm in my element up there it's like you know the famous one with gsp when he's like are you intoxicated yeah you know it's like oh yeah i am yeah yeah i'm in vegas what do you want me to do you know you don't want to fight until the end of the year and it's january okay if we were fighting in two months i wouldn't be intoxicated but right now i am you know so yeah well there's been some hilarious moments in in press conferences i mean the the one the giant one with the ufc where uh jeremy stevens

24:07calls out to connor and god goes what the is that guy i mean that was hilarious that was great it really was good honestly every time i see that i do laugh it was great oh he had to say yeah he was saying it was like he's that guy but i don't know but i think he was actually actually serious he might have said who the is this guy calling me out talking sure he knows who jeremy stevens i don't know you don't think so maybe maybe maybe not maybe not i don't know everybody up there sometimes at press conferences yeah you can't you know what i mean ufc has more than 500 fighters on their roster exactly yeah especially when they have those giant press conferences and there's many levels of there's like 16 fighters yeah it's impossible exactly i like both i like when fighters are respectful and i like when fighters talk yeah for sure i mean i did enjoy it was nice to see uh brian ortega max

24:59holloway they had that nice back and forth where max sorry pardon me brian was you know he's like listen i hope you're well and i hope you're over the injuries and all that type of thing that was nice to see it was great but they both were exuding confidence at the same time they were both adamant they were going to win the fight so it wasn't they weren't being too overly cordial yes you know yes i don't want to see that right right i don't know i don't want to see two fighters pretending like they're in church or meeting the president okay i want to see two guys that want to rip each other's head off yeah call me an animal call me a barbarian call me whatever you want but that's what gets my you know yeah engine taken well even when they were at the the final weigh-in and they're staring each other down like even though it was respectful there was a lot of tension

25:43there's a lot of tension you you know you talk about that yeah i never saw that one when they were at the weigh-in and max and brian they just stood you know a couple feet away from each other staring at each other it was intense it was real that was a hell of a fight too holy he's incredible he really is really is i mean i was kind of um not concerned you were the one who initially threw up the red flag when you saw him you just felt like he looked too tired or what he was slowing his words he looked he looked half asleep right he looked like he just got out of bed that's how he looked and then he was slurring his words and then so i just said you're okay max everything good and she's like you know yeah he was slurring as simple as that and i'm like and of course ufc tonight you have a production meeting we go over the questions we're going to ask so you've

26:33got them questions there in front of you and i thought i can't stick to these questions i've got to ask this guy are you okay you know good for you i'm glad you did that well you know i felt bad afterwards because then i heard that the fight was off and then i thought if i'd gone on you know two days three days out from a fight i got on ufc tonight or whatever just doing my obligations as a fighter and then another fighter on the roster is calling me out for an injury and now the fight's off i'd have been pissed off with them you you know what i mean maybe you know that's my choice if i want to highlight it so i felt a little bad but i really respected max he sent me a message thanking me you know he said thank you he said mate you know he said i appreciate that i needed someone to do that because he knew he was he wasn't 100 yeah so yeah you know so anyway i was saying i wasn't fully

27:21convinced that he was okay because it seemed like he was i don't know still slowing his words or whatever but uh he's kind of a mumbler he's a mumbler yeah so am i you know so uh he's uh he was fine though he was more than fine dude fine he looked insane insane so good and ortega fired back ortega big shots third round hit him with a couple of big shots at the end of the third round he's like this is my right yeah no i saw that i told you yeah it's crazy it's crazy concordia his cardio is incredible through the roof you know uh excellent footwork combinations cuts angles well reads the fight that's the main thing you know what i mean he reads the fight so yeah he reads the fight and he's he's he's so good at implementing that strategy of like consistent pressure constant angles switching stances and he switches stances flawlessly fights just as good southpaws he does orthodox and

28:13he'll switch in the middle of a combination yeah and then turn corners on you absolutely that's right he's not there to be counted yeah yeah amazing man really good and when you hit him back you like clap she's like yeah no for sure well remember against ricardo llamas yeah and he just pointed at the floor he's like come on let's go right here let's stand and bang it out yeah he's a guy's awesome that was awesome yeah it really was you know it's it's great to see that he is okay too but i'm really happy that you did point that out because there was some issues and i think a lot of that probably had to do i'm just speculating but probably had to do with that massive weight cut i mean he was trying to get down really quickly to 155 which is crazy right because he fights at 145 he's the champion and even struggling to go down from in he was in the 180s to get down to 155 quickly to fight

28:59fire yeah because they offered it to him on last minute sure you know when tony tore his knee apart was that on the set with you guys were you there i wasn't there i wasn't there now but yeah it was in the studios yeah what a freak occurrence that was crazy trips over some wires blows his knee apart what was it the the fight had been matched three times yeah and then they're almost there they're at the finish line doing the final bit of press yeah it's crazy you can't write that it's it's insane such bad luck it's like those guys are destined to never fight oh they've got to fight now if i was the if i could wait wave a wand in any match i want in that division that's the one that's the match oh for sure why is the fight that has to happen you know i mean tony is uh in my mind still the interim champion yeah you know i mean i have no idea why they tripped him it doesn't make any

29:47sense to me listen tony's you know he's uh he's a he's a character child he's we say he's a unique character but he in my mind he fought for the interim title he won the interim title and then he blew his knee out yeah you know so you know listen doing press obligations he didn't do anything stupid no exactly that's why i didn't understand that they stripped them i was like this guy i mean the guy is ready to fight yeah i mean and then a few months later he was ready to go again he beats the out of pettis yeah no no and he looked incredible yeah so i was kind of concerned in that fight as well because it was so fast coming back and i thought so fast and apparently he was doing his own rehab and you know these wild techniques and you saw that stuff online that he was doing i thought this guy is going to hurt himself again but uh now he went out there looked amazing

30:34apparently he didn't even do any sparring oh really yeah interesting i need to find this out for sure from him but the word i'm getting for people that know him is that he didn't spar he just got it in incredible shape and he said look this knee is healing up it's in the process of healing and during his camp it was continuing to heal and they were just the way he kept that going is don't do any take downs don't get your knee wrenched don't get leg kicked well sparring is the hardest part of preparing for a fight of course you know well and the wrestling wrestling and sparring they're they're the toughest probably wrestling parties actually but find a wrestler who doesn't have up knees yeah my knees are not that i'm a wrestler far from it but uh my knees are just destroyed meniscus mostly well i think i have a torn meniscus on my good knee right now that's my good knee but my bad knee um

31:21actually gsp the son of a he he caused it back here i was training for the ultimate fighter 3 final and i was training with george and we were training you know zoo for the old zoofer headquarters did that little gym at the bottom with the boxing ring yeah we were wrestling in there and my knee hit the floor tore my pcl and then just i don't know one thing after the other you know that was what 13 12 years ago and it's just always been kind of yeah well i'm sitting here right now when we finish out when i stand i'll limp like crazy because when i sit here like this it just seizes up like crazy so if i'm in a restaurant i stand up and i walk like a if i'm going to the bathroom it was like look at this guy jesus christ but then i walk back and i'm walking in fine they're like this attention-seeking bastard forgot that he put on a fake limb when he went to the bathroom i'm like no

32:09it's unseized now it's okay it's just when i first stand up yeah uh a popliteal cyst i think i think that's what causing that right now so there's a cyst in there i think so yeah well no there is drained yeah no i know i've had a cyst on my right knee i've had him drained twice yeah i've got to get that done it's a pain in the ass yeah it is the last time they just went in there and just pulverized it went in there and just kept sticking it with needles oh really yeah yeah i gotta get it done i gotta get that i gotta get a lot of though yeah my neck issue remember we were talking years ago in manchester yeah about my neck yeah i never thought that taking care i mean people didn't know but what i mean it was hard for me to talk about it i didn't want to talk about too much while i was commentating your fights but you had a neck injury that was so bad one of your arms was weaker than the

32:52other like if you were doing bench press oh for sure still to this day i mean you could you could take that samurai sword i don't advise it and stick it through the skin there and i wouldn't feel a thing well i don't know if i wouldn't feel a thing but i'm totally numb totally numb i had a shower after my workout before and then what i get a lot i get like the it's like a stinger yeah but down the entire right side i was in the shower i was uh it's happened a few times when i've been working on tv i was doing this show called hyperdrive for netflix in the summer and we we it was night shoots it's like four in the morning and all of a sudden i'm doing this and everyone's going oh my god i'm like it's okay calm down they're like medic i'm like no it's okay it happens all the time so yeah it's just pinched nerve you know c5 c6 i got to get it taken care of

33:39um have you ever done any decompression or anything like that um yeah this it's all my my own fault yeah i'm too old-school i need to go in and have treatment on my body but it's like it's a whole thing joe yeah it takes i'm a busy man you know i haven't got an afternoon to go sit and you know get massaged or decompress i need to do it i need to do it and this year 2019 is the year that i get all these little because my quality of life is still fine you know what i mean i just i just grin and bury it and whatever and just occasionally have a mini heart attack you know i'll be okay i'm fine um but eventually this is the year i'm gonna get all these little niggles taken care of well there's uh a company in santa monica called lifespan medicine and they do a procedure called regeneckine and that's what peyton manning had done right over in germany kobe bryant had it

34:33done and this is how i fix my bulging disc in my neck well when i saw you there in manchester dana tried to send me to germany yes and i was telling you you don't have to go to germany yeah yeah they do it's exactly the same procedure i didn't go to germany yeah i don't go to germany i couldn't be bothered that's the problem i don't want to go down and spend half an hour or half my day i don't want to fly to germany and give it a week or whatever so not that much time it'll take you like a couple hours you do it three or four times and they could fix it no i know it'll decrease all the inflammation the other thing is there's a thing that they sell at amazon you just get on amazon.com or a bunch of other stores online and it's a spinal decompression harness i've seen it hanging on a door have you seen the thing where you use their you're pumping that one too i thought

35:17that's what you were talking about that's a good one too i haven't used that one but i have friends that have used that one they like it a lot it's not bad it's not bad the one that i use you hang from a door it's a little more hardcore right it's hooked up this harness it clips to the top of the door and you crank it click click click click click click click and you're like literally hanging you're hanging yeah i was going to say a chair but it just oh when you get out of there oh really yeah that's good i'm going to try and get one and if you do it consistently it'll decompress oh really yeah i do need to do that i need to do that yeah you can do it in your house just get up in the morning you know have your company my wife comes in and finds me committed suicide one day dangling from the door frame thanks joe yeah well it won't kill you it won't kill you now

35:55but it's um it does make it does feel good and it's it's the only way that i know of the to really stretch your neck out that way yeah yeah no i do need to do that i try and do it in the sauna was it wrestling that did your you know yeah for sure yeah for sure yeah in fact i remember it i was going for a takedown and i think i ended up headbutting the floor yeah a lot of it would happen yeah yeah was that there was one of the fighters from alpha male there he shot in for a takedown the guy went for a guillotine uh and he he spiked himself right and then just never yeah because as he shot you know he went in deep on the armpit the guy went for the guillotine so his head is trapped and all their weight together sure you know feet up in the air the whole deal power power double yeah no of course yeah and then you got two body weights yep going on your head the neck as the uh

36:46you know the pressure point if you will derek lewis who has the funniest instagram of all time for sure absolutely put one on yesterday of a girl i think she's dead she twerked and she twerked standing on her head and then she twisted her neck and then her whole body seized up stiff as a board well i'm glad you would derek find it funny i'm sure this poor woman's family is uh i hope she's okay yeah yeah i really do i hope she's okay as well you know but but you know if she's not there's nothing you do about it now well no there isn't no yeah maybe we won't take the piss out of it on a podcast you gotta you gotta look at derek's instagram on a daily basis because a lot of the stuff gets taken down oh really yeah yeah i'm surprised he hasn't been banned yet you know no obviously he's too popular i've followed derek for a while he's awesome he's serious funny he's so

37:36he doesn't give a damn no doesn't care see that's the thing you know i see things people send me things you know guys from back home i got some things this morning you know but they're massively offensive right you know and i have a little chuckle in private you know i'm not gonna put that on instagram i'm not gonna put it for the whole world to see what is this is he doing a movie or something he's doing a movie i think but then i think somebody the other day said uh when jon jones sneezes on you i i saw somebody oh jon jones that's a he's an interesting character huh oh yeah yeah for sure the big comeback it's gonna be a tough fight man that's a big fight that's a big yeah gustafson is no joke the way that i love the way they they size up too the way that oh yeah absolutely see maybe that's why uh john struggled a little bit the first time because he's

38:28not used to fighting somebody with the same frame the same physical attributes that make john so great alex also has yes and what was his last fight was it uh to share it i think it was he looked amazing his hands were so fast yeah so fast the combinations he put together they were beautiful really really good the final ko was like a video game sequence oh dude it was incredible it really was it really was i mean i think in a lot of ways that was like what we were looking at with tyson fiore and deontay wilder like two guys had never fought anybody that size before no for sure both fighting giants both fighting yeah tall guys well i know you had both guys on on the show um and i listened to a little bit of yesterday's with deontay when i was picking my son up from wrestling um but when i watch that fight i sorry not when i watched it prior to the fight happening i i i thought deontay

39:19was gonna win okay um even though tyson is a very very good technical boxing for such a big man use a lot of faints and a lot of misdirection and he's very good um i thought deontay's probably going to catch him but then when i saw that he weighed in at 212 pounds i said it's over there's no way 212 pounds it's too much of a weight disparity it's insane but uh yeah still got that knockout power man unbelievable he said he went too long when he got into the ring yeah i heard you saying that 209 yeah that's a heavyweight it's insane well that's what i thought i thought this guy is too light yeah he's like his twig the six foot seven 209 crazy it's crazy it really is that 12th round ko or the dr kale the knock down that was insane it really was he's got like teddy atlas said it best he goes he's like thor with the hammer but uh i mean all respect and credit to tyson fury forget no

40:19i mean i know there was all that talk and dionte put it on his instagram about it not actually being 10 seconds about it being over 10 seconds but still it is what it is over 10 seconds on the clock but the referee it's not the fighter's job no make sure that it's ten seconds fantastic job to to monitor a stopwatch in the corner and say hey we're we're at 10 no he hasn't said 10 and he gets up yeah fight's still on you know there's no telling that he couldn't have got up on the actual 10. he probably could have gone up at the actual count of 10 as well yeah but just the way he got up and then managed to win the round well that's what really impressed me yeah i i wasn't the biggest fan of tyson fury uh a few years ago uh he he he i don't know we had some stupid back and forth on uh on social media on twitter but uh what was it about he he was saying that some

41:13gypsy john whoever he is knocked me out had a nightclub in blackburn but the only problem with that is supposedly at the time when i was living in america so anyway so so it didn't happen i've never been knocked out outside of that club in my life but apparently according to tyson it did happen so i wasn't you know overly thrilled right but i gotta say over the last six months or even the year you know he really really won me over what he overcame losing all that weight going through that depression or a slump whatever you want to call it and then coming back and and looking so good and then afterwards the you know the post-fight speech i thought was beautiful yeah um donating all this money to charities all of it it's just insane 10 million dollars if you can't respect that then then you've got a serious problem size so i applaud the guy and i'm a huge fan

42:03yeah i i respect the out of both of them uh and i think that what happened with you was during his cocaine days so this yeah he was coked up and drinking like a fish probably he was probably out of his mind when he said that yeah yeah yeah exactly yeah who cares he went through a dark time but you know what's fascinating to me is that he pulled himself out of it not just pulled himself out but wants to pull other people out too sure no absolutely and again you know donating all that hard-earned money hard earned money and you know you could have just given a million yeah yeah and everyone would have thought that was amazing as well that would have been a huge pr stuff but now he gave it all yeah and and that speaks volumes about the man i mean he even said i don't need it you know he's a gypsy he doesn't need it he's probably made enough money to retire already yeah he's

42:51had some big fights i'm sure that plus go fight yeah yeah and and the the rematch will be even bigger oh the rematch is going to be gigantic they're talking about it somewhere april may june somewhere around then yeah yeah that's going to be insane yeah one of the best boxing fights i've ever seen me as well yeah it really wasn't i felt like it was uh it looked like tyson was out boxing him and you know using a lot of faints a lot of movement a lot of misdirection a lot of let that perky jerky style that's what he does that's how he confuses people but then when he got clipped and dropped i was like oh you know i thought he was going to get caught with the left hook because i was saying because we were um there was the ufc adelaide card on at the same time yes and we were at the fox studios and when the fox did so the ufc deal with foxes up they switched to pacific pcb

43:40pacific coast boxing of which deontay wilder is one of their guys so in the room where we were watching watching the adelaide card they've got the downtown world of thousand fury fight on now i've got to talk about the adelaide card in detail and break it down and this and that but there's one of the greatest heavyweight boxing fights you've ever seen in your life going on on that screen over there so i'm like this watch and doing this yeah yeah it was crazy it was crazy and anyway but as i was watching it obviously deontay was looking for that big right hand and fury was doing a very very good job of rolling away from it just avoiding that shot and i said if he follows that with a left hook he's going to catch him and eventually that's what happened that was exactly what it was and he caught him as he was going down which is even more spectacular i think he clipped him with the first

44:27one clipped him with the right hand then caught him with the left hook as he was going down and the fact that he got up after his he was flat on his back his arms are down i think six out of ten referees would have stopped that fight right there they would have waved it off oh for sure yeah no he looked for a moment he looked dead yeah he looked out yeah sorry pardon me didn't look dead he looked he looked knocked out he looked unconscious for a few seconds yeah and then the lights came back on i know if he came it's interesting when it did when a judge or referee rather has a decision to make whether or not they decide to stop a fight and it's one of the more frustrating things ever when a referee stops to fight prematurely it's rough but then when you look at a fight like the adana stevenson fight this weekend and i don't remember how to pronounce the russian gentleman's name

45:12it's with a jeezy yeah yeah he's the guy who knocked out so i didn't see this but the adonis is in hospital in critical condition right now correct yes yeah yes and he's gone undergone brain surgery he's got uh apparently he's got bleeding on the brain and it was uh it was a it was a good knockout but it wasn't particularly it wasn't insanely vicious yeah so when you looked at it you didn't think right this guy's gonna have issues yeah so he sat up he got up there like he looks like he's okay and it looked like you know but that's the problem with boxing yeah you know um i think what is it 12 to 15 deaths per year in boxing around the world it's a very very sad start i guess you know i mean you're involved with the ufc you know all the yeah the pro mma um dialogue that's put out there you know well boxing's more dangerous because it's only punches to the head and they

46:04can take more blows but that is the thing i guess it is true it is it is true yeah for sure the slightly bigger gloves you can take more shots which has you know well that's the most damaging effect on the brain american football versus rugby as well rugby is a better safer sport yeah which is crazy because there's no pads no helmets no nothing right but yeah but it's a better scene i don't know if anyone's ever died in rugby it's not something that i hear about it's not a narrative i'm sure someone's probably yeah not for sure exactly but i don't think it's a thing no but unfortunately i mean you see i mean the poor guys you see kids at high school yeah there was one on the news i think a couple of years ago close to where i lived down here and uh yeah heartbreaking i would never let my kids play football my kids wanted to fight i'd say look you're going to learn how to fight

46:50correctly but if you want to play football get the out of here yeah it's just too many guys running at you full clip clashing helmet the helmet well that's the thing because the young kids yeah the young kids and you know i remember when i was that age you think you're invincible excuse me part of me you were you think you were invincible and certainly then you put on this giant helmet yeah and you think you can just charge them with your head you know what i mean and unfortunately that isn't the case well we've gone over some of the most recent statistics that they've released on cte with football players and they're talking about from pop warner to high school to college to professional the number like across the board the number that exhibits cte symptoms is staggering right it's i can only imagine the vast majority i'm sure it is yeah it's crazy it's a nutty sport yeah rugby's better

47:38it's a better sport it's a better sport what in terms of it's but it's to me i enjoy i used to play bug bear i used to love rugby i was i was a pretty good rugby player when i was younger but uh it's surprising to hear that from an american you know i don't watch football have an american joe you know with the big american flag behind you and you got the what are those what what is that that's from a wildebeest no that is a uh an asian water buffalo from that was my next guess yes is it the wildebeest or the asian water buffalo that's from me good mate adam greentree uh who uh shot that sucker and brought it over for me nice nice give me that decoration yeah but that's an invasive species in australia they shoot them out of helicopters oh really they have to kill them there's they don't have any uh any other than crocodiles but there's no meat or flesh on it but if that thing had

48:25meat and flesh and bones and was running at me i'd my pants yeah look at the size of those are horns man it's a huge animal oh and i can only imagine a thousand pounds yeah yeah cows they're gigantic well they have cows over there that are wild they're called scrub bulls right but you know how like we see a rodeo rider rides a bull and they they're both like get the off yeah crazy well that's because they've got testosterone and giant balls and they're super aggressive you never see a bull in the wild dude i used to work at slaughterhouse i used to slaughter 500 cows a day the size of those bowls would scare you to death hammer when i was 16 i come from a small town and one of the uh the local employers is uh the slaughterhouse and any any any young loser like myself has done a stint at the slaughterhouse when they need a job you know and i went in and um i was squeegee mopping blood

49:23into the drains i was like what the is this so i said to the foreman i said listen i could be of more use to you than this he said let me think about it so i went off had my break had my bacon sandwich came back and he's like yep you're right you're a good kid i'm gonna make you an apprentice slaughterman i was like holy that's not what i was looking for and talk about shocking oh i've never seen anything like it in my life it was insane inside and i'm offending all the vegans and animal lovers i'm an animal lover big time you know but uh you got to make ends meet when you're a kid living in a small town yeah yeah so how'd you slaughter them well they they they line up single file and eventually they come into like a little cubicle like this and you're standing above them and as they come in you push a button door drops down and they're in this confined environment like a big

50:13rectangle like a big cubicle and you're raised up and you have this bell you touch the head and then you knock it on the head that shoots a bolt it falls down and falls into the wall then you push a button and the door slides up and the cowl rolls down so you run down the steps and as you're running down you grab what's called a piffing rod it's like a eight foot long flexible piece of plastic it's in sterilized liquid you pull that out as you run down then you put you like neon belly you put your knee on the uh the head of the cow you feel for the hole you just made in the hair then you get the end of the pithing rod you push it into the hole you feed it all the way in until it's all the way until about this much at the top of the house how long is the rod about eight foot eight foot and you feed it all the way because it goes down the spinal column so you you're

51:04killing all that you're killing all the nerve endings wow eyes are popping out of his head the thing's kicking like a maniac you've got your knee on it then you pull that out put it back in the sterilized thing you get a chain put it round the the rear foot push the button strings it up pull out your knife here to here guts elevated doors like the shining blood everywhere next one run back upstairs next car let's go and if you're not quit like let's go come on 500 a day i was such a i was such a little i couldn't do it i might this this i'm gonna have nightmares when i go home i did it for about two weeks and i'm like yeah i'm out i'm out see you buddy too disturbing way too disturbing and and and the people that work there are a little disturbed as well you know i would imagine you get a little twisted couple years ago i mean i think they were with me because i was a kid right you know

51:58like because obviously from there then they get you know chainsawed in half and they start looking like meat right you know they go up and they take a bite yeah take a bite mike it's an acquired taste you know they would eat it raw dead they were just doing it to with me you know you know what i mean right a little 16 year old kid went behind the ears but uh yeah i didn't know that they stuck a rod through this the hole in the brain all the way through the spine yeah it's crazy it's pretty shocking yeah i've never even heard of something like that yeah piffing rod that's what you call it wow i wonder if that's standard practice still today because i've never i've never seen i've seen some awful peta slaughterhouse videos yeah but yeah they died it was weird they died instantly very very quick yeah they get through enough in one day i couldn't do it now there's no way i

52:47could do it now as when when you're young you know yeah your morals change as you get older your feelings or your values change what if that was the only source of meat well if it was mild then the is dying you know what i mean yeah but i'm not a uh i know you're a big hunting guy i'm not a bit i've never been hunted in my life but if you're gonna eat it to live then then good for you of course you know it serves a purpose yeah well i i became a hunter because of those videos which videos those peta videos of slaughterhouses oh really yeah i don't want to have any part of that no no well exactly no no i i respect that i do i'm not so much into their well my detested trophy hunting and things like that you know i know that's a no no i'm not into it either i mean i really i don't understand the desire to hunt something that you're not interested in eating yeah i mean these rich businessmen

53:41flying out to africa and you know shooting a majestic beast or an elephant or or a lion from a distance there's no water in that there's no honor in shooting the lion even from close up yeah but before my distance hiding in the bushes and pulling a trigger you think that makes you a man you know you know the only way that makes sense to me is if you're in a part of africa where lions are consistently killing your livestock and you have to protect your livestock which is yep colorado there's a big issue with mountain lions and shawn and a lot of it wyoming there's a lot of places that have uh hunting seasons on mountain lions yeah absolutely yeah i wouldn't say there's hard and fast rules for everything different environments different situations then you need you know a different approach you know well you know that cease of the lion thing that whole story that went down

54:29and you know what happened i i'm pretty if you remind me i think i know about it i remember hearing something about it a famous majestic lion that was in this park and the lion left the park and went into this area where it's legal for them to hunt and a a hunter who's a dentist from america shot this lion right and everyone became very mad at this guy because the line had a collar on it which meant that there was a line that they were tracking the thing is that they can't see the collar when they're trying to shoot it they have this giant mane there's no way you're going to see where was this dentist from somewhere in america yeah so he's a yeah you know so what it was in my territory where i'm allowed to shoot yeah all right gray area i guess but the fact that you're flying out to africa to shoot majestic beasts for me that that's a weak excuse it is

55:17and this is coming from a guy that used to kill 500 cows a day here's where it's up for a week and i was an apprentice i didn't really do it very often when the backlash hit and all these people were furious at that guy and then no one wanted to go over there and hunt lions so because no one wanted to go over there and hunt lines the lion population exploded when the lion population exploded the ungulate population all the you know antelope and all those dropped radically so the wildlife biologists made an assessment that they had to kill some lions so they killed i think they wound up killing 200 lions and just dumping their bodies whereas for the money would have gone for those 200 lions they would have gotten 50 000 for each line if a hunter had taken them and then what they have done they take that money they pour it back into conservation it's a very messy business sure

56:04absolutely you know and then there you go there is the the the argument for it yeah which it is a tricky argument because i don't have the answers and i'm not educated enough to really sit here and debate it or or really cast any kind of opinion on anyone really i just shooting an animal from a distance i'm not a fan of that's about it that that you shoot i know them from a distance you kind of have to yeah no for sure like if i shoot an elk up close that's a real problem oh yeah no absolutely you're gonna shoot first and i'm not talking about you going out and i've seen your videos on your barbecue it looks delicious i'm sure it's great i'm sure it's awesome i have no issue with that i haven't cooked you something please i would love to you'll eat it you'll go holy i'm sure i didn't taste like anything else man i love meat i'm a carnivore i'm a carnivore for sure um

56:52but yeah yeah no you're right look it's a it's like the argument for it you can make the same argument for people hey we'll keep these people healthy we'll just kill a couple of them well there you go exactly how about we have these really rich people come over from germany they spend a hundred thousand dollars and they'll kill a few poor people and that the rest of the poor people they're gonna get all this money there'll be more houses right now there isn't enough accommodation for everybody to live in let's just slow let's just call we're just a few hundred thousand let them loose in the hills we'll chase them with both we just kill a few of these people it's tricky you know it's not good it's not it's the kill some of the rapists and murderers coming off of the border job solved and then the other the other problem is even the animals that make sense i don't think there's rapists and

57:32murders coming off the border that's probably a couple yeah let's be honest i think there's a few people yeah most of them are just poor folks who want a better no for sure and yeah no shame on that well you're an immigrant my family i mean we're all pro product of immigrants so 100 yeah of course unless you're native american you should probably shut the up 100 yeah there you go yeah yeah that's totally here yeah no i know that's the funny thing i'm like really here show me a third generation american in this country they're hard to come across they are you know everybody i meet out here claims to be english when i meet them oh yeah my auntie's english or irish or they'll claim to be irish you guys love to claim an irish descent really oh yeah is this recent this is because of conor mcgregor you guys love to clarify my mom's irish my mom has an irish accent okay she

58:22talks like this makeup right right she's hamish as they come i've never once claimed to be irish there you go that's what i say to everybody they're like oh yeah i'm swiss i'm italian i'm this does anybody in your immediate family talk with an italian accent no well shut the up because you're american okay and that's okay yeah that's okay be proud of that yeah you're not english just because your great great great great grandmother grew up in ipswich or gloucestershire or somewhere does it make you you english love so your kids that's okay your kids kids will be american oh yeah well yeah exactly we got green cards recently so yeah yeah they will be yeah how does that work you have to mine your p's and q's if you get in trouble over here they ship you back um i i guess that's tricky right that's one good thing about well i'm okay i'm okay you know 20 years ago it would have been an issue

59:16but these days i'm a gentleman i'm a fine gentleman joe come on man business man killing it killing commentators or you've got a podcast you're doing movies it's all over the place don't have to worry about we're not hanging out in bars getting knocked out by gypsies they were the old days you are getting into the movie business right you've been doing a few movies weren't you doing a movie during the time you were doing the rock hole fight that's right yeah i was filming triple xxx um yeah i've been out there for about three months and then i was flying home and i was looking for some walkie-talkies for my seven-year-old uh i don't know why i thought that'd be a good idea turns out getting hold of walker talking isn't very easy these days i went on a wild goose chair trying to get these walkie-talkies that didn't even get played with he was like yeah cool i've got a phone dad

60:06yeah i should have thought of that but um and as i'm looking for them i checked twitter i got a coffee and i see chris wyman and pulled out so yeah i text dana i said listen if this is true you know you know where i am and he was like oh great we love that you know blah blah blah blah but jacare is our first option so i thought for a minute there i thought i was getting a title shot and i thought there's no way jacqueline's gonna turn it down so i went to my buddies jason's house and watched a basketball game and had a few drinks and you know didn't party as such i was on set the next day but i had a few drinks now if i knew i was fighting for a world belt in two weeks you know i would have been on a strict diet not over indulging but i definitely overindulged and then the next day i'm walking into the gym just have you know this little light workout

60:52and my phone starts exploding lighting up like a christmas tree and i'm like what the hell and then now ariel helwani calls me is that mike dana just announced the sports center that you're fighting for the belt what the this is the first i heard about it i'm like dana that's right god bless him so uh i'm like oh so i'm panicking like crazy how much did you weigh sorry that's the first thing i did i ran into the uh changing room got on the uh scale i was like 2 15 2 16. is that rough yeah for sure yeah i like a week before i like to be 200 pounds so this is two weeks before i'm um i'm 215. so my screw the weights i need to run right so i just run out of the gym throw my backpack on my shoulders and just i'm sprinting through toronto city centre like a madman of course there's traffic lights every 30 seconds right so i don't want to stop at the traffic lights because that's no

61:42good so i'm just running out nearly getting run over by taxis and jumping over homeless people falling over ducking and diving it was great training and um then dana called so i'm negotiating you know the fight whilst running through toronto and then uh carried on going and then i end up like in the middle of nowhere just running and running and running and then jason brillo gets on the phone and uh you know all the doubt starts creeping in i start thinking jesus christ this is so typical of my career i've won a title fight my whole career you know been through many ups and downs and now here i am i get the title fight it's on two weeks notice i've been filming a goddamn movie i've been near a gym mma gym for a while doing anything and it's against somebody that's already beaten me so i'm kind of destined to fail this is so typical and then jason got on

62:30the phone and you know he talked me around big time you know i said a lot of very positive things jason's an amazing coach he really is he's incredible he really is there's a lot of there's a lot of trainers out there there's a lot of pad men you know there's a lot of fakers in mixed martial arts certainly these days you know i mean guys that really have true heritage in martial arts or any kind of steep history in combat sports they're few and far between yeah you know you can train any guy can watch a video and it's a little bit of coordination how to hold pads and you see them it's the all the crazies in it these days hitting pads to get fit you know one two left hook you know just because you can do that and hold paths doesn't make you a coach right does not make you a coach and there's a lot of fakers out there but jason is not one of them he speaks from the

63:18heart and he knows what the he's talking about and we had a good chat and by the end of it i was i was feeling a lot better and uh yeah so when you were filming that movie were you working out at all i was doing vanity workouts i like to run certainly when i'm in the city so i was running probably three or four days a week a 4.2 mile run yeah yes so i was running and i was lifting weights a few times a week you know biceps and shoulders right you know what i mean yeah chest press lots of chest press you know what i mean uh and then um gsps coach jorge blanco do you know jorge no i don't he's very very very good trainer um richard evans put me on to him whilst i was up there i went to see him like two or three times you know uh but no no not training as such but uh yeah i worked out a little bit of exercise but sometimes that's good anyway right so it gives your body a

64:13chance to recover well that's what i said afterwards because i went into that fight feeling so strong feeling so good i'm like because i i consistently over trained every single fight in my career apart from that one uh and i said i'll learn from this i'll learn from this and you you don't and it's like jason perrillo always says um it takes confidence to take a day off to rest the body you know yeah and now of course there's a fine line between having the confidence to take a day off and being a lazy bastard and saying i'm gonna sit on the couch today right you know but if but if you know listen i'm good i'm gonna take a day or two off because i need it you know so that was one of the mistakes i made with my career i always trained too much and jason said you know i used to mind myself because it meant so much to me you know my fight career meant so much to me i used to

65:05over complicate it over analyze it overwork it stress myself out with it you know and uh that that was hindering my performances you know i never once fought to the to my ability of what i performed in the gym never once i remember one day i pulled up outside ruka and jason was waiting for me outside and i pulled up and he says mike come here can we have a quick chat i said yeah what's up he said listen a bunch of good guys in there okay he said but you're a world champion can you go in there and spar these guys and act like a world champion down here you're up there act like it don't go in lose your temper spazz out stress out act like a dick say things you regret you know when the spawn's not quite necessarily going your way you know you get a little pissed off or whatever you know say your jiu-jitsu coach is catching you and tapping you out a little bit you start getting a

65:57little frustrated he said can you just you know can we have none of that please and great advice just like when i i was fighting for the belt when i flew home from doing that movie i went straight to the gym when i landed and uh jason said to me because i was always stressed you know and he said listen um we don't know if you're going to win this fight mike you know fingers crossed i believe in you i believe you're going to win this fight but we don't know if you're going to win this fight so this might be the only time you're ever going to fight for a world title right i said well yeah possibly he said well let's enjoy the process you know let's go through this with a smile on your face he said this is huge he said you're in a position that everyone would kill to be in you're fighting for the championship you're fighting for the belt you've wanted this whole

66:43this your whole life enjoy this you know and it was such amazing advice because i was like yeah you're right and i went through the whole thing with a big smile on my face when you clipped rock hold i remember thinking holy when i see rockhold's legs buckle and i see him stagger backwards i was like holy he got him and then when he stumbled against the cage and you bashed him and stopped him i couldn't help but laugh because it you know i just bring a smile to my face almost like i couldn't believe it it was like a like a movie it was like it was it was one of those things because you were a big underdog coming to that fight everybody knew you took it on short notice yep everybody knew that you were working on a movie and so for you to land that when you landed that left hand you missed it once before too and i remember thinking yeah man that is close like that's close like you saw this

67:32opening for that left hand and you you clipped him over the top of the shoulder he didn't see it coming bang you drop that left hand on his chin and you see like his eyes roll back and his legs give out man well that was the whole plan the left hook you know jason has seen that he was open for that and i'd seen he was open for that and he was even doing this exercise on these bands and like uh resistance bands whatever he was doing this and his chin was up and his right hand was down at the end of it and jason said he's drilling these moves here and he's finishing here that left hook all day long and um you know he's coming forward and we're exchanging punches and nothing really significant as landon and i just right hooked to the body just whip the left talking you know as a fighter when you when you land the good shot because you get the feedback on your fist

68:19there's nothing like it you know what i mean when you feel that that solid connection and the knuckles go through the glove you know and you feel it you're like oh that was a good one and then whoa he falls down i'm like holy hold on and then he gets back over like you boom back down and then uh he went down and obviously he's got very good jiu jitsu and he's kind of sat back against the fence and i thought i've got to be careful not to go in his guard but uh yeah i got the finish felt the best feeling i've ever felt in my life was big john mccarthy's gigantic forearm nearly pulling my head off my shoulders as he wrestled me off him but he knew it was over because i knew it was over it was great what did that feel like when you knew you did it it was one of the best feelings in the world one of the best because you know for me you know the amount of fights i've had

69:10is unbelievable professionally and unprofessionally you know when i was a kid that's all i was you know that that was my only identity as being a fighter you know and just being that that guy you know unfortunately rightly or wrongly well it's wrongly it's wrongly you know of course it is you know i was i was a idiot when i was a kid i was fighting so much but that's what i clung to you know i i i was a fighter and that was the only thing that i could draw pride from you know and uh be becoming the world champion knowing that everybody wrote me off knowing that everyone talk about me you know other fighters just just you know it was everywhere you you i i heard what people always said about me do you know what i mean so to to win like that in style in the first round yeah yeah it felt amazing there it is right there oh yeah yeah rocco was very upset yeah he was yeah you know you talked a

70:07lot of to him even after you beat him well well hold on my wife was behind me there and she deserves a shout out because if it wasn't for her none of this would have happened but uh with rockhold with what happened after the fight so i okay there's a few things that i regret that happened after the fight first of all i jump on the fence and i'm just so worked up i screwed up you whatever no big deal i'm not too concerned about that one um and then as i'm doing my like victory dance if you will i'm i i do a lap of the octagon and i cross paths with with luke part of me and i'm like hey you know you say whatever you say unlucky bird you know good fight whatever blah blah blah blah i said that and i carried on having my moment i was just out of my mind on adrenaline and just having a great time and then i found myself i'd done an entire lap at the octagon again and i was passing him again

70:56so i just thought i'd extend my courtesy one more time i'm like yeah you know and i put my hand out and he said i already shook your hand i'm like oh really you're still gonna be a is that yeah i already shook your hand so then i was like okay well now the gloves are off i said don't worry buddy you're in an octagon you've just been knocked out it's okay you'll figure it out in a minute don't worry about it you'll come too but you'll be good so i kind of look like an because people didn't see that he refused to shake my hand the second time you know i was like well go yourself then and then when you gave me the microphone when you gave me the microphone i said the most crude comment ever i'm like i've been fighting ever since i came out of my mother i'm like whoa that is not an image that i want to portray to the world when i win the world belt you know what i meant was ever since

71:40i've been born right you know but in in the moment you know the words escaped me a little bit and and i painted a rather disturbing image of my mother giving birth to me but uh but yeah yeah i didn't choose my words too carefully there but uh yeah no it was great man well you can't be held accountable for that i mean that's it there's no one that's ever gonna be able to understand that other than someone who wins the title yeah no one's gonna know what that felt like it's impossible it was incredible it really was it really was yeah i can only imagine it was good one it was good i'm just happy that for you uh you know having a chance to see all your fights and and see your career go for as long as it went that you did go out with a title that is that is yeah for sure yeah you know i mean as i say uh that was for me i'm not sure well i wouldn't have retired i wouldn't have retired yet

72:31you know yeah no no because because i i know i could still do it i can still fight now you know i can still but but the time was right you know and then i started having issues with my good eye as well after the gastilum fight so i'm like you know this is a world series now because you you had oil in one of your eyes yeah yeah explain how that was going on yeah so when i detached my retina um they did what's called a scleral buckle uh and if you've watched the surgery it's absolutely disgusting but uh one of the things that they do they put gas inside your eye and i think it if i'm getting this wrong i apologize to all doctors but they kind of kind of helps hold the retina in place um but you can't fly with that and i was filming a movie in england a few weeks later i said and i said you can't do that i said i'm filming a movie and they went okay there's another way we can do it

73:24it's a little more unconventional we can put oil inside there but then with that you can fly so i'm like okay cool do that so uh they did that uh and yeah you know it's and that and then it redetached and then i got glaucoma i just had a lot of bad luck i did whatever can go wrong with an eye trust me i went through it but it looks different now yeah it does yeah it does yeah but it looks better than it looked it looks great look yeah what did you do looks great don't worry about it joe oh you don't want to talk about it okay no no you're good you're good it's okay it's a it's a corrective lens oh okay it's a corrective lens it's a prosthetic so can you see well out of that eye i see um a tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny bit oh really yeah so i don't i don't really see out of it and the vision's very blurred i mean i was able to pass the test to pass to be able to clear by commission

74:22to fight you've got to have 2200 vision which i was able to scrape out with the skin of my teeth wow you know so and my doctor was always amazed that i could still see to that amount if i if i squinted in the right direction and i turned here and the light was just right i could just about make out 2 200. wow so uh but what happens is then that then because you're seeing two different images distorted images your brain cancels the distorted one you know so but the depth perception remains the same no death perception is a real issue yeah yeah you know uh it was a issue throughout my last few fights for me the main thing i mean as i say you know i i was cleared medically by the doctors and you know the ufc were very very on top of all of that the ufc you know sent me to a number of different doctors and whatnot and as i say uh i passed the test just but it was and

75:13every time i did the doctors were like we don't recommend that you fight you know of course 2200 vision is still clinically blind uh really yeah yeah yeah so um but but yeah yeah there you go that's crazy yeah but it never slowed me down it didn't slow down that's what's crazy guys when you're retired looking back now if i not that i sit there at night and get drunk and watch my old fights i've never done that once but if i ever do see some old fights about which occasion just happens by chance you know afterwards i'm always calling for a shot at the belt or whatever i i said to my wife i said what the was this guy thinking you know he's out of his mind you know absolutely out of his mind but at that time quitting and trying to not become the champion did not even occur to me for a split second giving up never even occurred to me for a heartbeat why is that

76:09is this how you've always been this is something i still felt i still felt that i could i could win it simple as that you know um but a lot of guys if they lost most of the use of one of their eyes would have been done yeah for sure no chance this is not worth it yeah no i know um and probably the smart thing to do would have would have been one of those guys but for me you know i it meant a lot to me i wanted i wanted to become the champion i knew i could become the champion contrary to popular belief and um this is me the the it was my identity and until i won that belt i wasn't happy now when i won it my wife said she wanted me to return when i fought luke in in l.a she said if you win i want you to retire i said babe if i lose then i'll retire okay because fair enough i got my title shot you know it didn't go my way it is what it is i would have had

77:07closure on that i said but if i win yeah you mind if you think i'm gonna retire come on i'm the champion of the world i gotta milk it for a little bit finally earn some decent paydays you know uh so yeah but um it all worked out well the big fight with gsp oh yeah that's that's why that took place because you had that belt yeah you know i mean i mean george beat me fair and square that night but uh there was a lot going on going into that camp that uh the final week and and again i i never said anything at the time because god bless george and he's a great guy and i respect the hell out of george i really do how can you not you know i mean i know i talked to all that leading into the fight but that was just me having a laugh you know i was literally having fun with it you know i know really well towards you it seemed like you were enjoying it yeah just having fun

77:55just busting balls you know what i mean i i think george is incredible i think george is the consummate professional he's an inspiration to all aspiring martial artists out there if there's one man you can muddle your career on the way trains the way he looks after his body the way he cross trains george shane pierre will be that man you know he's an inspiration to myself you know so uh nothing but the greatest of respect but people as we said at the start of the show that doesn't sell people don't want to see that people don't want to see that so i'll play the bad guy i've been portrayed as a bad guy in my my entire career you know by the ufc the editing you know i've fallen falters on creative editing i've fallen foul to my own mouth as well at times so you know come on you know i'm my own worst enemy as well but um the week before the fight yeah a week before the fight

78:43uh at the best training camp in my life you know uh sounds braggy but knocking out multiple sparring partners not on purpose it just i felt incredible felt absolutely incredible final sparring session we had my protein they'd flown in for a photo shoot there's someone else there for a photo shoot the gym's absolutely packed and we got some guys in there sparring me and um you know everybody wants to be the guy you know that that gets the takedown or whatever or gets the submission on the guy that's you know that's how it is that's why i don't like going to too many mma gyms when i was fighting because every time you walk in you have a target on your back anyway it was the final round we'd done five rounds it was a friday before the fight and this guy shoots in shooting a double leg runs me all the way across the octagon like his life depending it depended on it picked me up slammed me

79:35down and his shoulders went right into my ribs and i felt it instantly just all the cartilage just tore completely and um i just started swearing and screaming you know because i knew i knew i went uh saw a doctor and whatnot and uh yeah it wasn't good so i was i got treatment every day and i was having ice on me and all that type of stuff uh but uh it wasn't working so what we came up we came up with this plan i was going to inject myself with lidocaine before the fight because because it will numb you but the problem is the area where it was was uh you you can pierce a lung where i have to go in you you could piss along and bleed to death because yeah so i got this doctor and i was gonna i had the needle i had the lidocaine and i was gonna go in and sneak into the toilet and facetime the doctor and he was like okay and anyway the whole thing is it was just too on top it was

80:34it was i was like this this is the stupidest plan ever bollocks to it i'll fight with the soul rib a bit of adrenaline and you're not gonna feel it anyway which i didn't on the night you know but people said oh you didn't look yourself in there you weren't moving too much i said yeah no i couldn't move but uh but as i said hey all credit to george god bless him he did great did you do was this a sparring partner that you had sparred with regularly no he came dean amazing a great guy um just came in from england for the last couple of weeks so was dean who took you down yeah yeah dean very well yeah you know dean yeah yeah yeah day in the present dude what the dude yeah no he's a great guy dean's awesome he's great yeah he's great you know it's the way it goes you're training and uh yeah what are you gonna do so many fights well that was half el dor san jose when you're supposed to fight

81:20mcgregor like last week the last sparring kicks in elbow breaks his foot oh so that's why diaz came in yeah yeah yeah it's happened to so many guys it's such a fine line because because you feel good you've trained so hard you feel great and you think oh like your coach will say okay let's call it there guys we're good you call it there and you're like i don't know i feel good come on let's get one good one in because sometimes i normally train uh spar monday wednesday friday and if the wednesday spa goes really well you're like let's end it there because you want to end on a really good spa you know what i mean because you you feel like a world champion you feel great you know you remember how you handled all your sparring partners and and whatever good shots you landed and you didn't really take any damage that's a great that's great momentum to go into the fight with and you don't

82:11know if you have another sparring session it's going to go like that right you know you might be tired you might be worn down those guys might be on their game that day and if you get a tough sparring session well then you want to do one more because you can't go into a fight after getting your ass kicked in a sparring session right you know what i mean that's not good karma or energy to go in there with um so it's always a weird one to find it's fine balancing guys but uh yeah there you go do you uh when you look back on your career would you have done anything differently in terms of the way you prepared um yeah for sure for sure a lot of things yeah yeah you know i mean like if you have a time machine yeah you could shoot yourself if i could do it all over again i'd do way more things yeah it would be so different well one i wouldn't balloon up in between fights discipline between

83:02fights you know i i didn't exercise enough of that in between fights yeah a little too much you know these days i look after my body way more now than when i was fighting it's so hypocritical you know it's so silly now i'm well because now i don't have the luxury of going through a fight camp to get in shape right you know what i mean so now i've got to stay in shape simple as that whereas in the past i'm like yeah whatever i'll have a pizza i'll have a few beers i'll have for dessert i'll do i'll i'll eat whatever i want and then when i'm in training camp switch it on but but it's not good for the body so that that would be one um yeah many things many things you know i i don't really want to throw anyone under the bus or whatever but yeah there's things that would have changed you know there was a group of people that i was involved with in england for a while definitely

83:49wouldn't wouldn't have wasted my time with us did you get clear of all that legally no not yet still going on this friday there's another hearing in the courts yeah jesus lots of lies lots of this has been going on for what eight years yeah something like that yes it's 2011. so i remember you telling me about this when we were in england together yeah yeah that was a long time ago man it was a very long time ago yeah what are you gonna do there's a lot of scumbags out there people that want to take your money so it's hard for young fighters too when they get contractually obligated to someone that doesn't suit them later in their career but then they start becoming successful and they're still contractually obligated to those yeah start out it's a very common issue with fighters yeah well for me i wasn't contractually obligated i kept my mouth shut i i did my five

84:35years and and moved on but uh they saw it a different way so they came out with some totally fabricated nonsense about camp bills going back to 2006 they just created invoices and just just totally fabricated an entire case not a single email not a single signature nothing it's laughable that it even got this far but if you've got brass balls on you and you're willing to stick to a story and talk a lot of and lie you you can you can go a long way it seems but i don't want to talk about that too much because uh i'll probably end up getting suit again you thought about training fighters i would love to yeah i really would love to because i feel this was one of my issues as i was a coach sorry part of me as a as a fighter because believe it or not you know i mean i retired at 39 years old um and at the time i had the most fights in the ufc and you know and whatever

85:33believe it or not i know a thing or two about how to prepare for a mixed martial arts fight you know so that was one of my conflicting things always with my coaches not that i didn't respect them but i i would always kind of feel maybe i should be doing this or should be doing that and and that's what i would do a lot of the time i was like kind of like the head coach mm-hmm i mean jason brillo was probably the head coach but i would like be the one that did the program and need to work on this i'll see that guy on that day right you know um so yeah i would love to i would love to right now i've got a lot of things going on and and life is good so i don't really have the time to dedicate myself to it right and actually i'm kind of enjoying just well i'm still working for the ufc doing the you know the the the fight coverage stuff but it's enjoyable to be doing something different

86:20you know after being submerged in it totally submerged for so long it's refreshing to be doing something else you know yeah so uh but but one day i would love to for sure well you're seeing it with fighters um there's some of them that are making those transitions into training and who better to know what it's like to prepare for a fight than someone like yourself who had so many fights in the ufc i mean if it's almost like that knowledge and experience is almost wasted or at least goes the the experience of how to prepare kind of goes away if you if you don't pass it on because otherwise someone has to go through all the stuff you've been through yeah absolutely joe um and that's partly why i do want to do that when the time comes as i say it wouldn't be fair to anybody right now because i haven't got the time to commit right i'm working on some things and

87:08hopefully they all come off and uh i've got some free time and i can sit on my ass you know everyone's always like oh congrats on the retirement i'm like retirement i'm working harder than ever these days you know maybe i need to come out of retirement to get some free time back you know uh but um when the time comes i would love to do that that is the best case scenario though your situation because you you retired into a very profitable career whereas there's a lot of fighters they're lost when it's over they don't know what to do always scared me yeah always scared good for you good for you for thinking like it terrified me right from day one so i left school at 16 you know no education like a idiot that's one of my big regrets in life small town boy you know north west of england not a lot going on there beautiful little town but you know tiny little town

87:57not a lot of opportunity and just fell into a rut you know working minimum wage in factories you know from seven in the morning till six o'clock at night just doing mundane medial you know and and i hated it i hated it i really did and that's why i became a fiery ultimately and it was a very well-planned decision you know the whole the whole story to me coming to to do this was uh it didn't happen overnight you know there was uh steps to it what was your first discipline i started doing japanese jiu jitsu when i was eight years old and i was obsessed with it so that's how you knew how to clear the sword yeah yeah yeah i was obsessed with japanese jiu jitsu really kid it's a great it's good yeah i was doing see we didn't know it was mma back then but we were fighting mma we we called it knock down sport budo uh if you if you google it you can bring it up you can bring up some of my fights

88:49down sport buddha yeah which is mma bear knuckle uh and we have like these international tournaments against you know men i was about 15 something like that at the time but uh yeah so we do tons of that stuff when i was younger you know i was as i said obsessed with martial arts and pretty much won every single tournament i ever went in and then on top of that i was a little out and about as well so i was having plenty of fight experience and then as i said just dead end job after dead end job after dead-end job and i got to a phase in my life i met my wife rebecca and we had kids i was like is this it is this all that life is going to be you know and then my boss at work at the time mick he said to me my you're pretty intelligent guys this is what you want to do for the rest of your life and i'm like no is that what oh here we go here's one of them this is wild

89:40yeah this is like fight club i mean even the the seedy dark looking background the weird lighting this is like a scene in a movie he walked through fire when he was like you walked through fire to get here oh jesus yeah yeah actual fire oh it looks like smoke and lights yeah there's another one actually which is true to my uh pull scoot ahead on this this is wild the way you guys are dressed and everything yeah i to this day think that fights should be held in this sort of a scenario where there's a large open open-air place like a basketball court i just feel like uh the cage is such a factor in fights no it really is it really is and it allows i mean you can use the there's one more on there if you can find it jamie which is pretty funny joel got a good laugh and so will everybody else because i guess the early michael bisping was on display we bow at each other and i kick him in

90:37the face right off the bat but you know the referee had said fight um yeah the cage you can use it as a uh you know it's it's another weapon you can't stall on it you can lean on it you use it to stand up it's a factor it's a huge factor yeah in in the ufc and unnecessarily and it's hard to see sometimes if you're in the crowd and you got a post there oh no for sure you wind up looking at the screens yeah no absolutely you do yeah you know i was i was having a me and lewis on one of our episodes recently he was saying you know usually when i'm from row of the file now hold on a minute when have you ever been front row at the fight for one because he was saying i prefer the first riser i'm like okay well that's what everyone says that they can't get front row tickets okay you all say oh i'd rather be on the first riser you know because you're ever gonna get a sore neck

91:22looking up i said well guess what when you're from rome it's cool okay you can hear the punches you can see the blood and the sweat if front the first riser was good i'd be doing commentary if the first riser was great that's where all the selected boys watch this look at this oh jesus christ but that was fine in my opinion he said fight what is he wearing he's wearing wrestling shoes yeah wow the old head scissors classic there is a uh there's a video on flo grappling from a recent uh jiu jitsu tournament where a guy got a guy in the head says just to put him to sleep right yeah right from his guard yeah well i won a couple of like shitty grappling tournaments what the heck says yeah yeah yeah works man yeah if you can squeeze hard enough yeah it wasn't against the best competition though the guy might have been 55 or something still legit though yeah if you get if you get the knees

92:16yeah on the right part of the neck and squeeze like a yeah it hurts and especially if you practice it i feel like the head scissors are something like look you think about when when you're cinching at dars right or when you when you go under for a dars and you clamp a hold of your hands and you pinch down yeah some guys are expert at that absolutely six squeeze that's six clamp down if you just constantly drill that all the time you could people up with that just get better at it just get better at it you could but i don't want to be the guy going for a head scissors in the ufc and it was like bisping with his british wrestling look at him doing her head scissors it's like the women going for the head and arm you know in women's mma you try a head and arm yeah as a man yeah they're going to take you back and choke you out simple as that but yeah well running into mma and liz carmouche

93:04she was rhonda's thing was always get that headlock and then hip toss get a girl to the ground and then you know get her an arm why does that work on women but not men it's necessary yeah but but their heads and necks are even smaller so they can slide out of it easier you know what i mean it really works i think what we saw in the ronda rousey fight with liz carmouche liz carmouche took her back and almost choked her out yeah and if liz was the liz of today she probably would have choked her out sure no she just wasn't quite experienced enough at the time i think the reason why you're seeing it more in women's mma is because although the level is very high with like valentine's shivchenko and you know you know jay check and cyborg the level the champions is very high there's still the the lower levels absolutely near you could watch a guy on an undercard

93:52that's fighting on fight pass who's a world-class demon in the ufc she's a man the women you're still there's there's way less of them and yeah is strong yeah i mean they haven't been doing it as long as the talent pool isn't as big right you know the women aren't as interested in i was just about to say the percentage of men interested in pursuing martial arts and mixed martial arts as opposed to the percentage of women way lower right i don't know what the percentages of men if we said it's 50 just for the sake of the argument women it's gonna be five percent yeah if that if not it's five percent probably men if my wife said michael i'm going to start training because i want to be an mma fighter i said bags get out i said shut the hell up make me a sandwich what are you talking about come on you're gonna be an mma fighter are you oh watching the mother of your children get head

94:47kicked it's crazy so my thai boxing coach actually you mentioned vinnie shorman at the start he used to be in business with vinnie das morris very very good friend of mine he was my thai boxing coach shout out to vinnie sherman shout out to daz morris and um his uh his girlfriend he was cornering his you know the mother of his children she was a thai boxer cassie and shout out cassie no disrespect you know but to be cornering your loved one that you're in a relationship and she got knocked out cold in a thai boxing fan i was like wow that's how do you do that and you know the mental strength to understand that this is a different relationship she's the student and the teacher and this is just the way it is i mean that takes a lot i don't think i can do that it's incredible well it takes a different kind of woman to want to do that right that kind of woman you got i mean the

95:37worst thing i think you could ever do is take a woman who wants to fight and tell her no yeah sure yeah because she's gonna find a way like if you're dating valentine's day good luck with that good luck good luck with that one you're gonna get spinning kate to the midsection to the balls okay she's a monster isn't she she's great she's awesome quickest spinning back kicks i've ever seen there's not too many and and i say this with the greatest of respect to women's mixed martial arts and i respect everybody that that applies themselves and is willing to get off a couch and make something of their life so you know i'm not being overly judgmental but there isn't too many that i really get excited for and that really thoroughly enjoy watching you know because as we just said the level of skill isn't quite there yet right you know as i say it's not nothing to do with genders

96:27right why do i want to see a watered-down product if i can see these guys doing it at such an extreme level i don't really want to watch smaller people that can't hit as hard with lesser technique you know what i mean as i say nothing to do with gender but um but obviously there's a few exceptions to the rule and chevchenko john jay check yeah amanda nunes yes there's definitely amazing talent out there there really is it's just a smaller pool it's a smaller like that fight this weekend was sensational yeah and and valentina that was a very very high level fight oh it really works it really was yeah yeah and john jaycake impressed me you know because she had a i think it was a tough three rounds fourth round you know she probably might have edged that fourth round you know so it's impressive that she uh still had to fight in her so late in the fight is just too strong

97:18of a grappler and yeah yeah and bigger physically bigger like you see here we can see it traps you can see it but when they're against each other youngjae shakes very slim very slender and she's chef chenko's muscle on her well chevchenko was successful at 135. you know he gets a big gap between 35 and 115 we're young and the reason youngjae chick went up to 125 is because she couldn't get a boat back at 115. and i say that with the absolute greatest respect you know uh well it was a lot of it was the weight cut was crushing her and then she didn't have to cut weight for 125 but the on the flip side you're fighting a bigger stronger woman valentina exactly if she was fighting another straw it went up to 125 yeah maybe things would be different but yeah that was always on paper a bad matchup yes i agree in my opinion yeah it went down the way i thought it was going to go down yeah

98:07same here there's a lot of fights but the main event man the main event was one of those fights where i was like i don't know i don't know max and ortega yeah i was like if max uh and if it goes to the ground and max gets caught up in something i mean ortega's got the nastiest submissions in that field absolutely yeah i mean i didn't know i mean as i said i favored max i thought max was going to do it but i did as well there's just something about brian ortega i mean just just looking at him he looks like a killer yeah you know what i mean he's big for the division he's calm he has that presence you know i don't know he has he has just a look on his face that wants to snap your neck off well a moment's notice he's going to learn he's going to learn from that fight of course a lot a lot going on in that fight to learn from yeah in terms of his movement in terms of just

98:53trying to handle max's barrage and the pressure that he puts on you well he's only young so that should be a massive motivator for him because when you go away and you win fights it's great there's no better feeling than winning fights and i'm telling you this like you don't know but you know this but you know when you win in fights it's great and you go when you don't really change anything because everything's going good you know but when you lose then you're like okay i don't want to make a habit of this was he undefeated i think he was undefeated that was his first loss so now he's going to say okay what can i do to ensure that i don't start getting more losses you know he wants to be the champion like my first loss was to rashad evans and then i remember on the day um day of the weigh-in he was uh sat in the sauna killing himself doing his usual thing

99:39and the team that i was with that shall remain nameless back then they all wanted to eat chinese food so i was like trying to order the most healthiest thing in the chinese restaurant that i could so i was eating noodles and drinking sprite you know on the day of the wedding jesus christ because because when i was at 205 i didn't cut weight at all you know so i remember um you know and i still weighed in another time when i fought over sinister back in the day it was my first fight in manchester and i was getting tickets for everybody you know loving it really loving the attention it's my first time you know what i mean yeah i'll get you tickets talk about a pain in the ass it was a lot of tickets is a pain in the ass oh my god because you've got to get the money off the people then you've got to get the ticket then you've got to do the transaction this

100:22is day of the fight you know what i mean i remember being on my knees day of the fight with hundreds of tickets and cash everywhere i'm like oh my god why did i do this oh no sorry it was the day of the weigh-in pardon me okay anyway and i was so stressed out with it and i drove home i thought i'll sleep in my own bed the night before that night before so it was the night before the week proud of me and i'm driving home and i was so stressed out and i was hungry i hadn't eaten all day because i forgot i was too stressed as i'm driving along the freeway i don't really eat burger king but i saw the sign for burger king and i was starving i thought it so i pull off and i get a triple whopper with cheese and bacon fries and a large coke wow and i'm sitting there and you know the the noise that it makes when you get to the bottom that sound what am i doing i'm raining tomorrow holy

101:10because i'm so stressed out with the goddamn tickets i forgot all about it i'm like crap so fortunate i just stepped on the scale no problem and with rashad evans same thing i just stepped on the scale so after that i was like okay what can i change well i'm not making the sacrifices i could be you know to be as successful as possible so that was you know moved down the middleweight and ortega you know he's not going to drop weight he doesn't need to but he doesn't need to he can work on some things you know he could learn simple as that yeah he most certainly can i mean uh he's uh he's got tremendous jiu-jitsu and his boxing's very good as well but you know when you experience that kind of a fighter when you experience that kind of a champion like max holloway you you understand that there's there's areas where you're exposed there's areas where you have holes

101:57and you have areas where you can't compete with him and as successfully as you have been with previous fighters so it's a learning experience and i'm sure he'll be better because of it i would say because of the third round then yeah you know he certainly made it competitive in the third round and landed a couple of good shots because i was going to say you know in some circumstances it doesn't matter you go away work your ass off you're never going to beat that guy right you know what i mean all the work all the coaches spend all the money dedicate your life go live in a monastery in china do whatever you want you're never going to beat that guy but in the third round he kept him honest he landed some good shots so i wouldn't say that's necessarily applicable um you know but certainly got to do some work you know in the striking department yeah in this tracking department and i'm

102:42sure in the wrestling department as well sure you know he got him down briefly but max did a fantastic job of uh stuffing it getting back up to his feet you know uh retaining you know yeah for sure i mean i i don't want to speak out of turn um i did find it somewhat curious is it hannah gracie yes henry gracie giving him the the the the boxing advice in the corner yeah i found that somewhat curious yeah you know when i when i my fats jason peril if the fight was on the feet he was given the instructions when the fight hit the floor brady fink took over you know and if there was elements you know that they knew their elements in the corner you know he'd say his bit boom you go you know no disrespect to hannah grace he's done amazing things with brian ortega by the by everything i see online you know congratulations you know but when you're getting out struck

103:31i don't really want advice from a jiu jitsu coach right no that's a good point it's a very good point you know um it's it's interesting like you you had a great situation with jason pirillo and the other coaches that you worked with and sometimes uh a young fighter needs like a mastermind right you know like a matt hume or farasa hobby someone who could put it all together for you a john crouch you know what i mean yeah absolutely and i was also going to say and this is probably well by all accounts it is what henry is to ortega a mentor as well yes it does seem like he's his mentor so for that you know maybe i shouldn't have quite said it in the words that i did use you know what i mean it assumes that that is his mentor his father figure whatever it is so there's a reason why he is there but for sure bring on an expert you know in those areas a specialist yeah yeah it's uh you know

104:23it's a it's a crazy world the world of fights it makes martial arts you know i mean as i said there's a lot of there's a lot of fakes there's a lot of that and there's a lot of it works good now but then when you fight a world-class fighter you realize why there was holes in that yeah you'll find out pretty quick yeah you know when you got a coach that's never now you don't have to have real-life combat experience to be a good coach but it helps it certainly helps and it helps the fighter really trust the advice that they're giving you yeah yeah for a fighter to be standing there and telling you to throw combinations have you ever been in there you've experienced what it's like to have another guy trying to take your head off every time and you're going to talk to me do you see the mike perry video no platinum mike perry it's funny no i know it's my parents

105:07it's a great video what did he do people telling him like like when you're fighting and the coach is like go go go go go he's like i'm not trying to get hit right now yeah exactly it's a great video no i know mike you know he's an intense guy and he's talking about it and he's like we're faking we're faking we're fainting we're trying to make our way in but no one wants to make a move because no one wants to get clipped first yeah well i remember you know i mean when i thought rashad evans it wasn't the most action-packed fight and when i watched it back i was like why did i just go for it a little bit more and then i'm like oh cause i remember because every time i took a step forward i felt the wind of the punches nearly taking my head off when you sit even myself when you sit and watch you're like why are doing more but then you take yourself back to when you were in there

105:49and you know ah yeah that was why that was why you know it's such a tricky situation and the the fight game evolves the the styles evolve and the way guys pursue fights evolves it's just it's really interesting to watch you know you see a guy like mighty mouse who does things different than anybody else you go oh well look how this does it you know not for sure it's it's uh it's a sport where you mean you were incredibly fortunate in that um you got to not just be there when it was exploding but you got to got to be a part of the explosion sure you know i mean great yeah not absolutely i mean like 2006 you were you were in the ultimate fighter yeah 2005 i flew out it was december 2005. yeah yeah crazy right crazy man it really was it really was it was good times that's when it was just popping oh yeah i remember when the ultimate fight first came out and

106:45it was on bravo tv in england well sam was here and i said to my wife i was like check this out and she's like i can't watch it i'm like why is it because if you run there you'd win the thing so i don't want to watch it's not fair michael you should be on there and then lo and behold you know about six months later they were looking for two englishmen and uh we went down to earl's court for auditions and the great thing was at that time i was 10-0 i was the cage race champion cage warriors champion and fx3 champion as well as the british heavyweight kickboxing champion as well and everyone that was auditioning for the light heavyweight had knocked them all out in the first round of course you know true to my style i made you know dana fully aware of that but uh yeah it was crazy man i couldn't believe it you know it was nuts i've never been to america next minute i'm on some reality

107:30tv showing a mansion in las vegas you know it was it was a great time it was it really was what was it like being separated from your family for six weeks and doing that show and very hard very difficult of course but i was there for a reason you know and so i was the greater good you know i said yeah of course it sucks it sucks being away sucks missing time missing birthdays all that type of stuff but if you're doing it for a reason then then you know you've got to be mature about it my wife always was the kids understand you know yeah it's not good being away from home but uh i'm working on something here you know trying to set us up come on do me a favor understand you know well it worked out yeah they were always great you know yeah it worked out it did it did not no regrets i mean maybe a few maybe a few yeah but you know what man there's no way to not have them yeah i mean

108:21there's no perfect path that's one of the crazy things about fighting you zig when you shoot a zag do you get hit that's it there's no that's part of the game that really is the sport you know it's uh it's such a cliche thing to say so many ways to win and lose but there really is you know and as you say you zig when you shoot a zag the smaller gloves you know the takedowns that's the problem when you're fighting a wrestler such a pain in the ass you know because i'm a better striker than most of these wrestlers but when they're trying to take you down it changes everything right because you go out and you're like okay this motherfucker's just trying to take me down that's all he's trying to do so i'm gonna stand here and i'm gonna wait for him to shoot and then i'm gonna stuff his tape down because i'm waiting for a takedown i'm not thinking about the hands and

109:02douche then you get caught over the shot you know what the you supposed to be going for a take down not punching me in the face and then all of a sudden your striking's terrible because you're totally thrown off by the wrestling so it it's it's a very very difficult sport it really is another one of your most impressive victories was the second fight with dan henderson because you got hit with some oh yeah bombs in that fight but you refused to go out yeah you refused to be stopped in that fight yeah you know i mean that was a that was a display of willpower in a lot of ways because i remember watching those those big shots from henderson land and i mean they were on the edge you think you were on the edge going out oh for sure absolutely i mean i remember he hit me i went down he was swarming on me hitting me with some elbows but i remember i was always fine but i

109:52was like holy you know that was what hit me there and then i managed to get myself back to my feet and blood pouring out my face and whatnot of course second round same thing happened and he had two big moments in the fight two big shots but they were big moments but you don't win a 25-minute fight by landing two shots you know but they were big shots fair play to him but uh you know i i i refuse to quit there because you know obviously going into that fight i talked a bit of like always yeah um and you can lie to everybody you can lie to the media you can lie to the press you can lie to your family lighty coaches it's not necessarily lies but you can ooze bravado and this and that but you can't lie to yourself you know when you're led in bed at night and your head's on the cushion you know you can't yourself you know and day of the fight because the fight was at six in the

110:42morning day of the fight i'm led on my bed trying to just have a nap because it was gonna be a long night obviously and uh i couldn't sleep and all i was thinking human nature last time i stepped into an oxygen with this guy i was out cold for a long time my brain was scrambled eggs for a long time after that fight and uh as i say you can lie to everybody else but now the fight was getting close and it's in my hometown and it's my first title defense and all this i'm like i know i'm better than this guy but last time last time didn't end well so i i was uh getting a little worked up and i remember i was at the arena and i was kind of you know being a little edgy a little snappy with people and there's no need for it and then i just stopped i went started laughing and pillow i said what's were you laughing at i said well what's the worst that's going to happen

111:31if i lose what's the worst i'm going to lose a fight it's happened before so why am i stressing myself out over it and i just started laughing and after that i was fine but uh yeah yeah i know it was uh i definitely uh had a sore face the next day after that one for sure yeah but you you know you got through the fire yeah no i did and i felt great the only problem was in the fifth round because this cheekbone had swollen it was on my good side he shattered the cheekbone on my good side and uh it swelled up so much i could hardly see out of that eye this eyes as well so in the fifth round i'm like trying to like get a certain angle where i could even see the guy do you know what i mean it was a nightmare you know but uh yeah got the job done fortunately is there anything that like is on the horizon in terms of like medical science that you're looking at in terms of

112:27being able to fix your eyes that i know of i spoke to doctors about it you know because i i i was yeah i was always curious what what uh what could be done but i i don't think in my lifetime there is but the reason i retired was at the gastelum fight because i was clear to fight and the doctors were always like we don't really advise it but you are cleared you've passed the test just by the skin of your teeth and for me that was all well and good you gotta do your medical the most stressful part of all of that was when you you gotta go do a full training camp now then fly somewhere and you're gonna see another doctor a commissioned doctor at the weigh-in right and you don't know what this doctor's gonna be like you don't know if he knows anything about eyes you don't know if he wants to be a hero you don't know if he wants to make press the guy that pulled the

113:17main event you know what i mean yeah very very stressful time so for me the fight was always the easy part the hard part was just making it to the octagon and i go to the wings and i get cleared i was like the feeling was okay we're good the fight's on because i didn't know the fight was on until i got past the commission doctor how many different fights did you have to go through like that about i think about 12 something like well fights with i'm not sure if it's 12 something like that hold on belcher kung lee no belcher tim kennedy cunly rock old cb tellers lighters anderson silva luke rockhold dan henderson gsb uh gastelum 11 11 yeah yeah so that was stressful uh and then obviously you know i lost the belt and i was in my mind i'd retired you know i just hadn't made it formal yet and uh i was driving out for lunch with my wife and my in-laws they were in town

114:15and we heard on a sirius xm fight club the luke thomas show he was talking about anderson silver testing positive steroids and they needed a replacement and i said shall i do it and they're like what were you talking about so i take dana right then and there and uh a week later i'm on a plane to shanghai no training i don't know anything about no training well i mean i trained as soon as i found out about that right you know i mean i you know i sparred a few times and then got on a plane and went out there and uh yeah you know god bless him he got me but then i after the fight because you know as i said you know i was clear to fight but the doctors always said we don't recommend it because if anything happens to your good eye you're gonna you're gonna be in a real problem and i was like well so many fighters in the ufc have long careers and they don't get detached witness okay

115:03it's it's it's a very not rare but it's pretty rare pretty rare you don't hear about it too much so i'm thinking okay well the strike the lightning is already struck okay lightning isn't gonna strike twice you know what i mean i'm not that unlucky anyway so we have the gasoline fight and then we go to an after party in shanghai doing some club and uh i'm in the club and every time i look that way it still does it to this day every time i look that way like a bolt of lightning like you're flying right now when you do that yeah yeah like what do you see exactly it's art like someone's taking a flashlight yeah yeah and i was in this club and every time i'm looking it's doing that and i'm i start freaking out because i i know you know i've got a history of of symptoms with eye problems and whatever and i start telling myself i don't believe this i've got a detached writer in my good

115:50eye and i'm i'm freaking out and uh i don't want to be in a nightclub around a bunch of anyway or drinking i i hate nightclubs so um i said i'm just gonna go to the toilet and uh restroom and uh that wasn't i was leaving you know but i just wanted to be by myself and i left there and shed a little tear in the taxi i didn't want to be sitting in the nightclub crying because if people see me crying they're going to be like oh he's crying because blessing me lost a fight to gas to him he's like no i'm not crying because i lost a fight to gaslum crying because i might be going blind here you know what i mean yeah so uh so i jump in the taxi i go back to my hotel and then uh later on perillo and a few guys came back to see if i was okay and you know whatever we just carried on talking and having a few drinks in the room and forgot all about it and uh you know turned into a bit of a

116:38messy one in shanghai forgot all about my eye and the next thing i'm on a plane flying home and i'd forgotten all about it i fall asleep on my on the plane i wake up halfway home probably flying over the pacific somewhere the plane's pitch black and then i open my eye he starts doing it again i'm like because i've forgotten all about it so i'm trying to get on wi-fi on the plane trying to find something about it trying to google it what it could be and all the rest of it and the wi-fi wouldn't work and i'm going up and i'm trying to beg the air hostess you know please please do i need to get on wi-fi i need i have to i didn't tell her why and she said no it's it's down right now and i'm like oh anyway so i land i call my eye doctor straight away i tell him i said listen i think i've got a detached wedding my good eye why do you say that i tell him the story says don't worry don't worry

117:24you know he'd be okay so i'll go see an eye doctor the next day and uh he says well i'll tell him the issue and he says why do you say that and i tell him why i said so do you think he's detached right now he says well it certainly sounds like one i'm like me this is okay we're gonna put some drops in your eyes everything's gonna go blurry and i only see a tiny bit out this eye and i'm like oh i may i make stupid joke as my defense mechanism i'm like oh i guess i better get used to this viewer haha and the doctor's like well we don't know that just yet and i'm like me you know that's not the answer i was expecting anyway turns out didn't have a detached retina i had a bit partial vitreous detachment so you have your cornea here your retina at the back and in between what's called vitreous fluid and millions of fibers connect to the retina to send the message

118:14i think i'm getting it wrong i'm sorry doctors and in your 60s that just slides off the retina and detaches naturally maybe in your 60s 70s who knows but as you get older through old age it just slides off it can detach due to trauma so that's what happened to me uh so it it but it had partially detached so but the problem was when these fibers are pulling they can cause the retina to tear so uh they were they were like well we need to keep an eye on this and blah blah blah blah so anyway long story short after that i thought this no ain't worth it and have they done anything to the eye sense no and there's nothing to be done there's nothing to be done nothing can be done no yeah and and and they're fine with it they're happy with it it's okay but but it was for me it was it was uh you know a step too far yeah i pushed it as far as i you know i was willing to push in fact i'm a liar

119:10i was uh supposed to fight richard in london earlier this year but uh we couldn't or you know agree on the deal terms with the ufc if i never materialized and i was flying up to uh new york to do my podcast with lewis and uh on the plane i'm watching this movie called the journeyman and it's uh paddy concidents about a box who's a world champion at the end of it he wins the fight and then he has severe brain damage and it's a very very sad movie should check it out it's really really powerful very very good anyway i'll watch that and i thought that's it that was we did it that was it so i got off the plane we started our podcast i said boom i've got an announcement that's it over good for you it was the best decision i ever made you know i've been very very happy ever since yeah you i mean you have options i mean you had a long great career you have options

120:02yeah i mean as i say no regrets you know i mean um it was a wonderful ride i loved it i i never thought a young kid doing martial arts and and you know a guy that just liked to have a scrap when he was a kid could take it this far and that's the beautiful thing about the ufc these days you know if you're off that certain mindset that certain character you like a bit of rough and tumble you don't mind getting a punch in the face here and there and you're willing to go for it you can make a living you can make it you know when i was younger i used to do a lot of professional kickboxing but i never looked at it as a career because it wasn't back then but now it's great you know it really is a career a viable career well especially for a guy like you who's a good talker who understands how to break fights down and you can make this transition it's one of the

120:47things that i really like about the ufc they've allowed these fighters like you know i do a lot of commentary now with paul felder and daniel cormier dominic cruz and they've given these guys these uh license it's great yeah as i was saying before but that was one of the things that scared me as well as a kid because in gyms all over the world and you see amazing talent everywhere amazing talent and you know they're they're sleeping in the cars or they're sleeping on a couch at someone's friend's house you know and they're struggling to pay the bills and they're driving a shitty beat up piece of you know and it's a shame and i see them and my heart goes out to them and for whatever reason they don't get the breaks they don't look right they they can't put it together on finite the nerves get the better of them who knows what it is but they just don't make it you know i'm

121:40finding such a cruel vicious sport it really is so that's why when people i i get asked all the time do you want your son to do it i'm like well no not really the way i sees i thought so he doesn't have to but if he wants to he's the number four frank wrestler in uh in california i've seen the videos he's obviously he's a beast if he wanted to of course i'll support him my father supported me ridiculously it wasn't for my father i wouldn't be here either um but i wouldn't wish it on him i wouldn't wish the life of a fighter on anybody because it's so unpredictable and just because you're good and just because you can take a punch and just because you're you're an animal in there doesn't mean you're gonna be a success you know what i think it's going to be the perfect storm what i tell young fighters is uh you know when they say i'm i'm thinking about trying mma i go don't do it

122:25yeah if you're thinking about it don't do it if you tell me you're obsessed with it and you want to be a world champion then i say go ahead sure absolutely chance yeah if you're not obsessed there's some out there that are oh yeah they're living it 24 7. all day long oh for sure and this is a thing um you know you see a lot of young fighters now they're obsessed with the image you know you know what i mean because it's on tv it's cool and it's got a lot of popularity now so a lot of people want to do it as i said there's pretenders in coaches yes pretenders and fighters as well a lot of people you know they want to be you know they want to be conor mcgregor they want to be chuckled or whatever and they're all wearing tap out and having mohawks and stuff do you know what i mean and they're talking about oh for this camp i'm gonna bring in this guy it's a camp you don't have

123:10training camps at the start of your career at the start of your career you train monday to friday you have a fight at the weekend if you win you're back in the gym monday you know what i mean you fight every few weeks you know every you know when i was starting it i think i had six fights in the first year probably five kickboxing fights you're trying to build momentum you're not doing camps i don't want to hear any young fighters saying to me for this camp i'm focusing on my wrestling's like shut the up you've had two amateur fights you're not doing a trading camp buddy you're training that's it you know yeah for sure well listen mike uh thanks for doing this man i'm glad we did it and we could do it again any time yeah no no tell everybody about your podcast with louis gomez shout out to lewis yeah absolutely big shout out lewis i think he's listing hilarious guy

123:54oh hilarious absolutely hilarious uh believe you me um on itunes oh all that as well yeah youtube on there michael bisping podcast so i believe you me podcast itunes all that crap check it out or don't you know do it gonna give a if you like it if you like what i've said for the last hour or two check it out if not kiss my ass thank you brother thank you michael bisping ladies and gentlemen