Trevor Valle

00:00two 1 yes yes yes Trevor we're here we're back two two years almost to the day and we didn't even plan it that way no it was weird I was I pulled it up and I'm like oh hey I was here in 2014 wasn't it October October 23rd and in 2 years Something's Happened to your beard where it's a bright yellow that doesn't exist in nature or it exists in flowers yeah flowers uh it it reacts under blackl as well oh yeah my Twitter profile picture is under blacklight um yeah I used to dye my beard crazy colors all the time it was like green purple blue and all that and uh I did this neon yellow and I've always liked it and the girl I was dating always hated it perfect so yeah run with it it's my uh my Vengeance die what is this crazy shirt you got on too what is this uh miskatonic University you know cthulu HP Lovecraft and all that yeah uh this company does it well they're called

00:54geeky jerseys and they do just radical jerseys so this is like the cthulu Jersey and it's like a wizard Jersey too like look at the sleeves well the the hockey sleeves so it's oh I see it's legit hockey sleev yeah it's goalie cut so it's a little bit baggier I thought you were a wizard wow but no they do stuff like uh they've got like uh Game of Thrones jerseys and all this crazy stuff and they're just like hey you do a lot of talks and you always wear a jersey so we're just going to start sending you Jersey I'm like okay well that's very nice of them cuz I always wear hockey jerseys when I was in here I was trying to be Last Time Professional with the PO and all that oh yeah yeah not anymore was that because you were promoting something you had to be yeah I had to be a little bit more cleancut it was like Nat goo that did they give you like like a mandate or

01:41they give you like like standards of dress and stuff not really but since it was like a pretty professional documentary we were doing right uh it was suggested very lightly by my publicist and she's just like well you know business casual Maybe this casual I'm like but I wear hockey jerseys and shorts she's like yeah no why not I don't that's why I'm doing it now man isn't it funny it's like you're a legitimate paleontologist you you actually do real research like why why why do you have to dress like everybody knows your credentials like well the the thing about that the the crazy thing is I mean and there's the whole paleo thing too it's weird when you ask somebody hey is like do you know what a paleontologist is a lot people say yes a lot of people go hey like Ross on Friends what's Ross on oh Ross Ross from I forgot I forgot he was a paleontologist yeah H he

02:39was I know right dude at all that free time he hanging out in the coffee shop talking about nonsense yeah I know I know like R1 position guys at museums that doing like full academics they would never have that amount of time don't have any time no zero is that it's crazy you can't be a casual paleontologist right and I asked them what does a paleontologist look like when I used to work at the tarpits I would ask like kids on tours and stuff like that and they're like oh he's got like a hat and a whip I'm like they're describing Indiana Jones yeah yeah yeah that's what you wear right yeah sure um and I'm like okay well I have a neon orange beard and I'm wearing a lab coat and I'm covered in tattoos do you think I'm a paling they like no you're like a biker and like no uhhuh here's here's the stuff welcome to my lab this is my deal going on you can get away

03:28with that in 2016 but if you were living in the 1970s good luck oh I would be burned at the metaphorical stake it wouldn't have worked no it's like cuz I had long- hair dyed weird colors you know what's funny dude you uh you know like I said you're a legit paleontologist but I saw you the other day arguing with flat Earth people on Twitter I'm also a science generalist like holy dude you were going to war it was hilarious I checked back an hour later you're still going at it yeah dude yeah cuz you threw it out there I'm like okay I see where this is going well someone was calling me a flat Earth sellout the guy was calling me a sellout because uh cuz I I make fun of Flat Earth and he's like I know where your checks are being cash like what what does that even mean like I'm getting a round earth like hey keep a secret right here's your round earth check here's the shill organization yeah

04:21imagine if like everybody in the media was just getting a check to make sure that you keep just keep perpetrating the lie that the Earth is round like the logic behind that but it's not just Flat Earth it's like Flat Earth and chemtrails and creationism and moon hoaxers and the reptilians and just all the weird man speak speaking the flat one is the craziest one like like everything is round except the Earth is that what you're saying like all the videos have all been faked every one of them every Space Station Mission that took video every space shuttle mission that got video every satellite that gets photographs all that's fake all of it everything from from the beginning of the 1960s when they first started doing this to today it's all fake yeah that so I've actually got into huge debates about that who like people on like on Twitter and online well and

05:12there was one person uh God what was his name uh he came in he came into the bar that I bartend at now and he was talking about it briefly and he's like yeah you know uh you know I I heard you on the Joe Rogan program and it was really cool and you know he's like not really cool with conspiracy theorist and all that I'm like no he gives them like equal time he's like yeah the whole Flat Earth thing I'm like don't even start man he was serious yeah it's these YouTube videos that's what it is you watch YouTube videos and no one's opposing them while they're talking so they're talking very they're they they sound very articulate they're using all these big words and they're saying things without anybody going what stop stop that's not true and and that's the problem and I both blame them and science at the same time how do you blame science well a long time ago when

06:02we had guys like Richard hogland doing the face on Mars and crazy like that um or like early creationists or flood geology or Flat Earth things way in way in the back of you know in the backwards time like science would always like shove it off into a corner and go hey see the cranks over there Let's ignore them if we ignore them they'll go away and then we got things like copy serve and AOL and forums and bbs's and then they got a little louder then they got access to self-publishing they got a little louder now with social media YouTube and all that the same 5% of humanity can get really loud we didn't shut them down early enough and now they're loud enough that we have a problem well Hogan is out of his mind I watched a whole lecture where he was talking about all the artificial structures on the moon and this guy just he just like arbitrarily measures the

07:02distance between this rock and the point of this pyramid it's not a pyramid but he would call it a pyramid right the distance between this is exactly the same distance as the pyramid in Giza the connection to the left foot of the Sphinx and like how do you what why why why you making that connection like you could do that anywhere you could just you could do you could over you could do a map of a city and just start the the distance between your house and my house is exactly the same as my house to that rock that rock holds special significance yeah it's like oh your house is on a lay line and mine's off that it's like no just stop it was Madness I watched this whole it was more than an hour long and I was watching all these ridiculous connections that this guy was making and trying to say that all these structures that the odds of them being you know some sort of a

07:47natural and I'm looking at I'm like that looks like a rock to me yeah and he was saying there's without a doubt that is an artificially created structure absolutely made by intelligent life that that was the thing with the whole face on Mars when uh the Mars ronance Orbiter uh started doing the flyovers and then he was getting louder why aren't you going to photograph the sidonian planes blah blah and they're fine fine you know what it we are re we're redirecting the satellite we're going to do eight passes high-res photos the whole deal and like oh look it's a mountain deal with it's a cool looking mountain It's A rad looking mountain it's weird it's it's got a weird shape on the bottom the the the the what's interesting to me far more interesting than the face because the face was cool in the first picture because of the shadows and it kind of almost looked

08:30like a face and it was also a low reses picture from Viking and then when they got highres pictures you go oh well it's just a trick of the the shadows and everything what's kind of interesting is what what does happen sometimes in nature you get these bizarre shapes almost looks like someone built it like it's kind of on on both sides there's parallel lines the way it's shaped it's almost like a created piece yeah look at look at the hexagonal cleavage at Devil's postpile or the Giants Causeway in Scotland and stuff like that that looks like it's set in but that's just because it's hexagonal cleavage or that one spot on um Jupiter you know that one spot on the on the top of Jupiter satp the hexagonal yeah because of sheer winds yeah is that amazing I I talked to a friend that works at JPL and I'm like what is going on here it's like oh there's different densities of air and

09:22sheer winds and it creates this cool hexagon I'm like that's rad yeah I mean people it's a it's a base it's an intelligent ni the same guy who puts out those videos about the Flat Earth now has a video that you will love and it's dinosaurs are not real which is right up your alley oh great see I didn't know that you were uh also um you not just a flat Earth shill but you are also a dinosaur shill oh yeah I'm I'm a dinosaur shill a a round I'm a globe Earth shill I work for chemtrail corporations um corporations yeah all these what is the if you could just tell what is the purpose of the Chemtrails what are they trying to do it depends on who's talking because they've got like 19 different stories it's like one it's like mind control the second one is population control the third one is solar radiation management to you know to either make global warming or to

10:15stop global warming and they fight with each other all it is is 100% it's you can download a it the same link that uh you retweet tweeted out with the with the when we did the chemtrail back and forth yeah on on Twitter um you can get a humidity chart of every day to your location gives you the range of humidity into the stratosphere and you know when a plane will have a contrail will have a persistent contrail and won't have anything it's home citizen science that can be done yeah I mean NASA has a website where they predict contrails and they're super accurate yeah absolutely and I've I've ripped people apart with this and then all of a sudden it's like well you got it from NASA you're a NASA shill well you're arguing with 15-year-olds probably there a lot of it K some of them are some of them are oh speaking of kraals uh I got this for you what is it team kentrail baby oh nice

11:17team chemtrail spray and pre spray and prey on and off there's an on and off button I'm put this on my car people going to key it they're going to be mad it's um it's a weird world we live in Trevor it's a weird world this this access to self-publishing whether it's YouTube or blogs or where you you don't need anybody to to tell you like hey man that we just ran a check on your information your dat is all wrong you can just do it the the dinosaur one this guy made this video about dinosaurs not being real I'm like this is godamn hilarious is that the I I think I just and it's it I so my whole involvement with this on Twitter is I'll take that Darwin's fault I started following take that Darwin the the Twitter handle yeah yeah it's a great Twitter handle take that Darin he has spawned an entire like nest of people there's take that Earth theory fail that whenever somebody

12:20says oh Evolution's just a theory he jumps in take that sulk for vaccines um take that forkin for like uh for circum decision there's like take that science he's the general one take that atmology she just does words that people up there's like this whole group he spawned this this just pyom you know science communication hey look at the specimen idiots there's like 30 of them and there's also take that dinosaurs that does all the dinosaur retreating there really are it's a growing movement where people don't think dinosaurs were real well so it was like last year the year before I think it maybe maybe right after I did the show last time there was uh there was this bogus group that started a Facebook thing called Christians against dinosaurs and they put like pictures of a protest and all they're like oh no it's big paleo like are you kidding hilarious it was a total hoax so

13:20it was like an onion type deal parody but they started to run with it and just like have a fun time and they found me and a couple other paleontologists on Twitter then I noticed their entire protest photo was actually photoshopped from a parking uh a parking protest I think in Scotland cuz there's this one fun little graphic of like no feathered dinosaurs that paleontologist came up with because we just crazy people and they use that graphic I'm like wait a minute and so I found all the artifacts in Photoshop and I called them out on them and they just got real quiet real fast uh there's a big debate about whether or not dinosaurs said feathers right um yeah but depends on the dinosaur right so sort of like depends on the lizard versus depends on the bird right right um many dinosaurs uh either have evidence of feathers or they are morphologically similar to dinosaurs

14:13with feather feathers um like Raptors we have found uh feather imprints there's uh the uh quill knobs on the Onna uh where the wings would be and we have found theropods the Beast footed dinosaurs with feathers whether or not they all did is the question did Tyrannosaurus have feathers not quite sure yet likely maybe as a baby and then when it grew up but I don't know could be a 14ot long chicken there's a um a a replica of a dinosaur I forget which dinosaur I think it's a raptor and it's at U the University or the Museum of Boseman oh yeah bosan Montana yeah and uh they have this feathered dinosaur up on display it's really kind of interesting because uh one half of it they have a kind of split down the middle one half of it is covered in feathers and the other half of it you just see the actual bones itself oh that's cool like like like that that old

15:08invisible invisible human that we had to put together like in the in the in the 80s yeah yeah exactly like that yeah see if you can find that Jamie because it's pretty cool but you know they they go with all these wild crazy colors or feathers it's like it's almost too bad we can't figure out what they really looked like cuz we're just kind of piecing together their skin texture and just guessing on the color every once in a while we'll find something awesome like uh there was uh the mummified uh hadrosaur Leonardo that actually had skin and organs that like soft tissue that mineralized and all this cool stuff or feather imprints from Arch opter or um like interesting looked looking like uh beaked uh beak dinosaurs like aquilops and stuff really cool but the problem is it's just it's fossils are rare doing any sort of soft tissue preservation is rare extremely rare and

16:06all the lighter material just kind of desiccates and Falls away so when we find something like that it's holy crap and just shut everything down and focus on it real quick that's the most fascinating thing about the fossil record to me is that H how difficult it is to actually make a fossil yeah most things just rot right right it it has to be certain certain conditions it um but most people think oh has to be buried in water and then like turned you know in sand covering it and all that well that's one way and that's a very common way like a lot of the stuff in Montana uh that used to be swamp land with the Western interior Seaway so dinosaurs like uh TX and Triceratops they would get uh covered in mud and sediment all that and the bones would mineralize the calcium on the outside of the bone would get replaced with minerals and the water and the sand and then they would get

16:56buried in Sandstone it's all cool but then you've got things that can fall into Pete bogs natural trap caves Tar Pits like here in LA and all sorts of other things that create fossils which are really cool so it's not just mineralization through water that is hard to do it can happen quickly depending on the Limestone uh the amount of limestone in the dripping like you can there was somebody that like left a boot in a heavily Limestone water cave and it calcified like in a matter of weeks but that's not really mineralization that's more like encasement but yeah fossils are fossils are rare to do a fossil is rare yeah that the concept I think also eludes people most people when they see a fossil bone they think that that's the bone itself just really old and what it is is the minerals have replaced the bone in the actual shape of the bone I tried to explain that to a friend of

17:55mine who had a Megalodon tooth you know he's saying this is a Megalodon tooth and I said well it's a fossil of a Megalodon tooth I go it's not really the tooth anymore none of the tooth remains it's just the shape of the tooth he's like no I bought it it's a Megalodon tooth I'm like it's but you notice how it's black like they don't have black teeth yeah see that's that's one side of it and then the other side of it you can see it like that it's got like a punk rock hairo and crazy face it's pretty dope I've I've seen that uh I've seen I've actually used the opposite photo in a talk um cuz it looks like they're humping yeah from from one angle and uh I have I have a yep there it is I've used that yeah um I have a I have a talk called that's not a dinosaur and I open up with images of dinosaurs um just because you have to do that just to be fun just to

18:47be fun yeah that that is a cool one with all the like the long hair and yeah it kind of looks like the 70s dinosaurs like used to be roie for like Van Halen and the80s and that kind of thing it's the skidrow dinosaur well it's a crazy looking shape and when you see all those colors but again it's just an artistic interpretation right right we don't know and and that's the thing we get a lot of flack for that was like how do you know it looked like that we don't we know H we know how the bones go together we know where the muscle points are so we can figure out the girth of the muscle the connection points and then you can kind of build out a leg and then we go to town it's like hey maybe they were pink T-Rexes could be pink they could have been they could beard color you we don't know no idea yeah a couple like feathers and skin Impressions and stuff like that we found they may have

19:37countershading like modern day reptiles and mammals and all that they're darker on top lighter on the bottom uh sharks are a great example of that uh cuz that's hard to see it breaks up the silhouette they had some sort of natural camouflage to blend in with their surroundings if they were an herb of war or to hide as an ambush Predator they animals we can still see analoges today but people want to see like how do we know that it looked like this how do we know that it walked like this well we don't know 100% but we can make inferred guesses because we have a ton of Bones to look at it's pretty much is is there any possibility whatsoever that one day we'll find like an intact T-Rex Frozen somewhere probably not probably not right it's too bad because I mean it's it's a little different hitting a mammoth that was 30,000 years old uh like like I did in Siberia and a 65 and a half milliony

20:40old 20 foot long like walking death machine little little different and there was no there wasn't a whole lot of ice and not a whole lot of uh uh like polar activity during the Cretaceous Period M that's why there were uh a whole bunch of like water masses like cutting the United States in half and most of California was the Arizona Bay that kind of thing so finding an intact T-Rex like Frozen like holy look skin likely well probably highly improbable however there's a possibility we could find something like a mummified one like maybe the skin uh the skin had enough iron content in it and the soil to preserve the soft tissue of the skin and mineralize the skin instead of it desiccating maybe there was that one in a billion chance that it fell in the right spot and got covered super quick before desiccating the bone and and everything mineralized now when they go

21:43on an expedition see say if you're going to Montana MH and you're looking at the Great Western Inland sea and those areas and you're trying to find some sort of a uh fossil like how do you how do you pick where you start digging so we it's we do we do prospecting so we know uh worldwide there's this tiny layer of aridium it's uh the Alvarez layer where the idium was deposited on the planet when the shix saloo uh impactor that s mile asteroid hit the ukan peninsula blew everything up killed everything that you know in conjunction with Vol you know volcanism and all that but first we look at that because we know that's 65 and a half 60 you know 65.6 uh million years ago so we go below that we look in places we've already found stuff we go to uh quaries and uh previous dig sites and previous locations uh that we found fossils and we set up camp and we just start

22:43spreading out and you walk and look down sometimes for days and you don't find anything then all of a sudden you find this tiny little scrap of something pick it up you lick it if it sticks to your tongue it's likely a fossil and then you start looking for more of it you lick it yeah all the sophistic ated equipment and we lick it radio spectron telescopes and things that go through the Earth and we lick it you lick it yeah cuz the best way to find fossils is from eroding from the from the surface it's the best way wow and we find a bone we're like okay sticks to the tongue it's a fossil then let's look up slope and we find a bone scatter and then we kind of sweep away some dirt and like oh holy there's a broken bone and then we work our way out sometimes it's just what's left of a single element of an animal that has eroded and fallen down the cliff and other times you could be

23:34on the top of horse mountain sweeping something away and you run into a brand new uh frilled dinosaur that youve never heard of before never yeah that it's like never seen Utah catops Getty eye named after a friend of mine Mike Getty uh he's the one that discovered it wow yeah now how many people are out there doing this a lot um during uh during the uh dig season which is um generally late spring uh to very very early fall you've got um let's see the Royal Ontario Museum had a dig out in Alberta with the Cleveland Museum my friend Lee Hall uh did that uh you've got natural history museums going out to Montana or Utah natural trap cave there's stuff going on in Mexico so there's like a big community that goes out and finds stuff um I've gone on on Expeditions here and there the the crazy thing is we tend to always go back to the same places very rarely

24:34it's I'm going to just wander Colorado and find a dinosaur I think we need to start doing that though I think we need to start branching out we need to get more people interested in paleo we have to recover the Paleo job market because it kind of sucks right now paleo's been taken over by food oh don't even get me started on that that that please please if 's on the paleo diet please stop calling it the paleo diet cuz it's not it would be the anthro diet or call it the caveman diet regardless no well people in the Paleolithic people they they ate grains they absolutely they ate grains they at cut out processed sure but it's the wrong name for it yeah it's absolutely the wrong name for it and yeah just sorry the tangent I hate that no worries but when you when you say paleo that's what people immediately think likeo I do CrossFit so anytime I mention paleo on Twitter immediately like five

25:35paleo diet Bots like favorite retweet like paleo diet Bots there's paleo diet Bots yeah that they look for the word paleo and automatically like it and retweet it what the the benefit in that so everybody that follows those can see everybody talking about paleo man so the entire paleontology science communication field on Twitter whenever we do Paleo it blows apart that's why a lot of them are using the English spelling Now with an extra a how how's that where's the a go uh after the L really yeah so it's p a l AE o oh it's like tires t y r s you know they use that or aluminium yeah aluminium is a weird cure with a u cure theatr yeah theatr the the theatr is what people use they use that for fancy places when I perform in theaters I always have to check to see if it's e r or r e theat theat that's weird that you guys gave in the Paleo people I think that paleo

26:41shit's dying I think you could just ride it out well no I I think it's been replaced with like gluten-free well people well Mark sisen has a a better name for it he calls it the Primal blueprint calls it a like a primal diet okay I could see that yeah this the the Paleolithic connection to no grains it's just it doesn't it doesn't jive right because when humans started staying still it was because of Agriculture because they found things like wheat and barley and rye and simple grasses and all that that they eat and when hey if we take this with us we can plant it yeah or if we stay put it seems to be growing here exactly and it's like oh well if we mixed the water over there and the dirt over here with these plants look the pl plants spread out it's it's just one of those things it's like yeah we they ate grains they ate yes they ate meat it's like okay I'm a big dude I

27:38drink a lot of beer but you know I have a fairly moderate diet I don't overdo it I'm not like snacking on McDonald's and Carl Jr and eating ice cream all the time or anything like that you do it in moderation and that's what they did they had a different lifestyle maybe they could call it the paleo Paleolithic lifestyle diet or the Primal lifestyle cuz think of the lifestyle mhm not good luck trying to replicate that it's like fine go out to the Sonora Desert and do your deal out there because if you're really going to do this diet don't use a car don't use a computer don't use it's like oh it has to be your whole life yeah that's what I'm thinking it's like just it why not just do the diet no just go for it that seems like a lot of work well hey that one guy did it though Year of Living biblic biblically I didn't see that there was a book that came out God what was that guy's name I

28:34don't remember uh my ex-girlfriend had the book on her shelf and I always wanted to read it and I never got to um guy lived according to uh biblical laws like did not wear clothes of Old Testament yeah so no two cloths yeah no two cloths like couldn't eat locusts and you know a poor guy I know because well hawen food is great man um hawen food yeah wwen food they do crickets and grasshoppers what's wwen it's a region down in Mexico mole mole is wwen okay well I've had crickets down in Mexico like they we we stayed at this uh hotel and they gave us a bowl of fried crickets like in it was in the hotel when you got there like a little nice little snack and some fruit yeah they're kind of nutty yeah it doesn't taste bad at all no uh I served them for a potluck at the uh page Museum uh when I used to work there I did uh hit yeah people weirded out but they ate them I

29:30did lime chili crickets and a rain and a reindeer chili oo for a Christmas potluck that sounds good oh it was great by the way nice elk cooking thank you I need to come over and like I got some elk for you you want some yeah I got some in the freezer back there I'll leave I'm totally down for Elk all right cuz the idea of that is just I love venison I love elk I do like game cooking as well I don't go hunt it cool it's delicious yeah it's the best stuff for you too now there's this this whole paleo uh thing like the Paleo movement like put that aside like P paleontology like just the word paleontology it's kind of misunderstood by a lot of people and I think that the the study of the past of trying to piece together all these bones and slowly but surely put together a puzzle of what life was like before people came around it's really important isn't it I mean is

30:26isn't isn't it kind of an overlooked and underappreciated aspect of science yeah absolutely paleontology the study of ancient life that's our deal we want to see how we got here like preh humans we want to see what life was like going all the way back to the dawn of time the the beginning of the Earth because it gives us an idea of how things change on this planet and how things evolve on it the keys to the Past are needed in order to open the doors of the future I used to say if we know how animals acted the Predator prey relationships different ways that these animals were evolving and living on the planet and how the planet changed because of that because paleontology also deals with paleoclimate paleobotany so like old plants old climates geology all of that we're looking into the past of this earth when we're digging in the ordovician period or uh the Cambrian

31:25we're looking back we're opening a time capsule 500 million like half a billion years that's rad it's pretty crazy yeah it's like it's hard to like if you're not if you don't do it if you're not into like astrophysics paleontology geology and stuff like that it's hard to get a grasp on what time scale we're talking about we are in we as humans are an eye blink in the geological record of the planet you know four and a half billion years old if uh if you were to stretch that all out the entire history of the Earth on an 88 ft uh measurement we would be the thickness of a piece of paper at the very end all of human history 200,000 years of evolution from walking upright and planting and domesticating animals all the way to ISS you know in orbit all of that piece of paper at the end of an 88t long ribbon it's crazy to think about how much went on before

32:25us that's what's so cool about p anology it seems like the scale is for our dumb little Brains it's it's really difficult to to reference it it's really difficult to like put it into perspective to think of something 65 million years ago you're like oh well that was a long time ago well it was so long ago that people used to be moles yeah yeah and there was some weird mole thing right here's another one we are actually closer to Tyrannosaurus Rex in time than Tyrannosaurus Rex is to stegosaurus Jesus Christ yeah that don't that don't mess with your head somebody told me that we are closer in time that Cleopatra is closer in time to the iPhone than she is to the building of the pyramids MH yeah and this will weird you out too while the pyramids were being built woly Mammoth still existed on Wrangle Island wow yeah oh that's right there was one place where they were

33:27still alive around 4,000 BC what killed them on that one Island uh either over hunting or uh dramatic climate change uh because glaciers were receding and they could have out competed themselves and if they didn't have a stable enough population for genetics you'll breed yourselves out of existence is there a possibility there's any species that we thought were extinct that are still kicking around like in the Congo or something like that like paleo species like that well I mean anything like along those lines something from you know 10,000 plus years ago that we thought was extinct yeah the rattlesnakes here in San fernan Valley same rattlesnakes C the the what's the species name um they they were hanging around the tarpits with saber-tooth cats and all that animals alive today were hanging out back then right um one of the most common animals we found at the pits uh were Bobcats and

34:19mountain lions no coyotes rattlesnakes horned lizards Birds uh that are still kicking around today there are species that survived the ice age because as the glaciers receded and as the climate changed and as the Predator Prairie relationships changed it's harder for a saber-tooth cat to go after a horse or a a rabbit or anything like that the smaller animals that were able to out compete them lived on it's natural selection in a heartbeat you evolved you know the animals adapt to the surroundings that leads to evolutionary patterns which leads to a species either dying if they're fit too much of a niche or continuing if they're more broad or more focused on the on the environment that they're that they're adapting to look at the panda if we didn't if we didn't inter intervene pandas would be gone they eat a nutrient poed diet all they eat is bamboo they

35:17eat such a nutrient poed diet that they're young when they birth their young has to crawl up and start nursing they they do basically nothing they're very low rent low energy animals they would have died out but we got involved should we get involved in that or should we just let them die off stupid pandas figure it out I mean isn't that natural selection why do we think we're so cute that we need to step in and because we've stepped out of natural selection we can now we have yeah humans have yeah once we started agriculture we removed ourselves once we started building buildings we removed ourselves we are the Flat Earth people they didn't die off yeah exactly exactly we're living longer and that it's we're rapidly approaching idiocracy man in a in a way we already there right with Donald Trump running for president and all the people that are cheering behind them oh yeah

36:15all and even the Hillary Clinton people some of them are crazy too because they're just denying all the crazy that she's been involved with all all four of them all five of them including McMillan are just what the man I'm voting cthulu I want him to rise up and consume the world utterly screw it cthulu for America speaking of cthulu did you ever see you know there's always been those um those rumors of or stories of the Kraken the legends of the Kraken of gigantic octopus did you ever see those fossils that they found of enormous suction cups that they believe might have been a huge octopus type creature no I've never seen that yeah man I wanted to bring that up to you because uh this is something that's absolutely fascinated me because I know that they don't have any hard tissue other than their beaks their whole body is you know they're a mollusk they they're this big fleshy thing the

37:06exception of cuttlefish and ammonites that you know that that had a shell or had an internal shell that's it yeah you're absolutely right so they have the beak and that's it well they found these huge suction cups um that were fossilized the the you know the image of these suction cups see if you can find that Jamie I know we've talked about it before see these things who see they they think that the these are enormous suction cups from some huge sea monster I thought the caption on the image said something about iosaur vertebra taken out by sea monster the bones on a what the well yeah seapods can do that they they like they like to cuz they're intelligent they like to kind of fiddle around whoa isn't that crazy I uh Uh crap what's his name Tony Martin uh ecologist on Twitter um he specializes in trace fossils like Footprints and um what would it look like if a dinosaur

38:10threw up and leave like that kind of pattern and all that oh wow his books I'll get you a copy of his book It's amazing he would have a field day with that I would like to know his opinion on that I I have to ask him yeah there's it's obviously controversial but we do know that there are some huge squids oh they're finding more and more every day yeah the Colossal SW the colossal squid and all that um I was in London do you remember just a few decades ago that was just a rumor oh yeah yeah cuz we would find scars on sperm whale carcasses and stuff like that I was like holy what yeah what what the is that and but and and that's the thing human nature all of us especially you know you play the telephone game like you tell a story and and then somebody else tells that same I heard it blah blah blah and then all of a sudden you know that was the bass you picked up

39:02and then that was the swordfish you got on the same trip yeah what if what if like these you know ancient Mariners were pulling up humble squid they're like 6 feet long and dangerous as hell what if that suddenly got larger and larger but maybe they also dredged up a colossal squid or a giant squid and things like that as well and that birthed the Kraken idea well cuz humans like to see patterns in things it's just what we do mammoths uh Mammoth and elephant remains that were found near Greece they thought were the Cyclops oh right because the head yeah so the ears that would be on the sides would they thought would uh or the the eye sockets on the sides they thought were the ears and the nasal opening for the trunk m they thought was the central eye cuz they have big stubby hands huge recognizable things like femurs and Alas and radi and fibulas and all that holy

40:08crap it must be this giant this 14ft giant with a single eye the Cyclops was born oh that's interesting yeah so we have an ability to take things and just run with it but it is rad that yeah way back when like like an 85 I was 10 and yeah thinking of like giant squid I I always like 10,000 Leagues Under the Sea that was my favorite ride at Disneyland before they did The Binding Nemo thing and that's just awesome because yeah what if there are sea monsters and then you start learning about plesiosaurs and like plon and mosasaurus and iosaur and all this you're like there are actually sea monsters and then today you've got sperm whales blue whales the largest animal on the plan it uh basically Krakens with giant squids that's just cool man it is I mean and they think there used to be giant octopus too yeah the the real theory is that at one point in time

41:10there was a 100 foot octopus and that this 100 foot octopus probably jacked a couple of boats maybe absolutely maybe why would they give a we've only we've only discovered what 5% of the ocean I that's it we know more about the surface of Mars than we do our own deep sea that so incredible it's like we've we've mapped a lot of the undersea surface James Cameron has gone down into Challenger Deep and all that freak that guy is huh yeah what a freak it's by himself yeah but hey he's he's got the money if I had that kind of money it's like if I did Titanic and Avatar and all that yeah I would make my own little bisphere and go down to the absolute bottom of the Earth but how many people do that I mean how many super billionaire I think he's only the fifth person to ever do that I think the first two people did it in bisphere 1 and I think two other people wanted to

42:01did it after that if it goes bad it goes so bad oh very very bad like just the amount of pressure you must be dealing with at the bottom of the ocean how many miles deep is he uh I don't it's something like 38,000 ft I think something I don't know what so he's in the neighborhood 6 miles oh 35,000 35,000 ft oh that's so crazy CRA oh my God the deepest part of the Mariana Trench that is so insane that that's why would he what the is he doing I so I just got back from Toronto we're going to be at a cruising altitude of 36,000 ft that's just shy yeah so if I was over a plane when he was so if you took a flight over the Pacific while he was in that water he's 65,000 ft below you yeah look at him down there what a freak that's how he's doing to get away from his wife that's what he's doing he's out there looking for Monsters imagine if he did see something there's a a really

43:05fascinating video of these guys they are in um some sort of a uh a vessel some sort of a submarine and a whale comes up right next to it and checks it out real quick and it's just and they they start freaking out like whoa a twers submersible to go that deep H the whole thing is those have to be small and very very thick in order to previon yeah like hey crush a beer can that that's what happens and everything squirts out oh the amount of pressure 35,000 ft below the water that must be insane yeah it's uh what one atmosphere per yeah here it is check this out so these guys they're in this thing they're tooling around having a good time holy awesome that a right whale what is or bait it's I don't know man but the ba the whale comes closer too the whale is right there with them and then uh it actually you can see it like in this it gets like right up to them that's amazing that looks like

44:14a humpback or like a right whale or something it's got like the kind of Barnacle it's a bing of some sort but what a who giant animal dude I've seen them like uh whale watching like of San Pedro and channnel islands and stuff that would be spooky yeah to be right there I've seen them too I've seen them off of Malibu around around this time of year right isn't it around November that they they start I think the grey whales are coming yeah it's like November January March and then the blue whales are like in the I think they're in like spring summer the ocean is such a trip cuz we're right next to it here you know and like people that live on the coast like Santa Monica their houses face the water I mean they they're facing an alien world that's a whole world out there that's bigger than the world of dirt and it's just largely unexplored yeah and it's really cool to think about

45:05and I I used to be a diver I used to work at the aquarium in the Pacific way back in the day and even that just like diving off of blue Cavern Catalina or you know walking out into the surf at leoo or something like that or doing La Hoya or the Gulf we are not built for that no and like I I don't know how many how many of the millions of people that listen to your show have actually like not swam in a pool but like put on gear in order to survive in an alien environment cuz that's what it is yeah not just snorkeling like you like a scuba like full-blown scuba gear can get pretty trippy when you're first learning how to do it because you are entirely reliable on this equipment or you will die you might as well be in space I mean you really I'm just going to say that it's the same thing yeah it's an alien world yeah and the same thing happens you will suffocate or get crushed or anything

46:02like that if something goes wrong and your at depth or you'll pop freeze and explode and like your all the liquid will boil off your body and out of it in space it's just horrible it's and we want to go to Mars they're out of their mind these people I've been mocking them on stage people that want to go to Mars like this there's no reason for that I mean if if Tony Stark you know AKA Elon Musk um can do it he's going to do it I think he can do it I think he can do it I he's okay when we were kids how cool was it to see like like rockets land vertically in shows and like Flash Gordon and stuff like that he just did it yeah he just did it it was a sub ordable satellite launch with a cargo ship to the ISS or putting putting a satellite in orbit and then lands vertically a re usable space frame that blows my mind and even beyond that is when the Curiosity Rover landed on Mars it flew

47:09in did parachute Arrow breaking jet jettisoned everything and then it was lowered on a crane from a flying like flying sky crane thing and then touched down and then disconnected and flew off a nuclear powered Rover was descended to another planet on a sky crane that was hovering with rockets this is sci-fi come to life it's rad it's pretty crazy I mean we live in the future I mean we've got all of the world's information like well if you have an Apple Watch on your wrist it's kind of it's getting kind of weird man it's very weird and all that is only created by people who don't get laid regularly the the only way it happens if you get a lot of sex like Dan Bilzerian he's not inventing any Rockets anytime soon you have to you have to have massive dedication to your task at hand and it is until the moment where it does land it's probably really monotonous

48:15yeah I can see that check and recheck and uh Tesla was celibate uh he never he was crazy oh no he was batshit they think that he destroyed his sexuality that was one of the things that he rep Ed on he he had fell in love with some woman now what does that mean by destroyed his sexuality whether he castrated himself or who knows or just mentally had a breakdown or something like that but yeah he some of his his own reports and his Memoirs he only slept 4 hours a day he worked straight through for 20 he took notes all the time almost destroyed his lab with like an earthquake machine weird like that but in the same aspect of he him being completely batshit insane I mean the reason why we're in the studio right now is because of AC power yeah that was his deal well he had so many different oh yeah just groundbreaking discoveries and Innovations and and in his his initial

49:13idea to broadcast electricity Wireless through the air like radio signals that we could all tune into like Westinghouse was like what no you you want you want build a tower how high in New York to do what well he wanted to do it for free he wanted electricity to be free the same way radio is free yeah yeah he was a Trippy guy he would have and funny enough a lot of the Flat Earth jackasses Embrace him as like the whole thing and he wanted free energy and all that I'm like yeah by the way all of his illustrations about like Warden Cliff Tower and you know wireless energy and all that took place on a Globe it did allegedly allegedly play I would love to play you the dinosaurs are not real video just do it see if you can find J we probably can't play it on YouTube where we'll get pulled but we can play the the audio right play the AUD we'll put the video

50:11up on the screen and play the audio for you and you could just your head could turn beat red Smoke's going to come out of your ears because the thing is about these videos and this is the issue that I have with not just videos but also with blogs like people you're writing things and you're not you're not being checked as you're going along so it's it's just you broadcasting an idea it's not a conversation and because of that you can give off the illusion of expertise without being checked here it goes dinosaurs never existed and by way oh my God Eric dubet this is the the flatter earth guy yeah the guy that does 200 proofs the Earth is flat that everybody has debunked a thousand shs shills are listen to this guy don't you dare mention Owen's name you wrong they they found pause that pause every time pause uh dinosaurs uh we we discovered marine reptiles and the first dinosaurs about a

51:34century before that so that right there Eric you're wrong whoops it's like don't bring your flat Earth into my profession now I'm pissed keep going yeah keep keep this rolling mhm so that's because we can can do things like look at modern analogues and see how teeth are made we know if it's a predator or if it's prey we know if it's an herbivore or a carnivore we know how teeth are built even back then even when they're doing naturalistic drawings like this it's like like the the the the Megaladon tooth on my arm it is a predator it's obviously a serrated Che megaladon or Megalodon how do you say it it it's it depend your emphasis can be on a different salable it's both it's it's not like nuclear and nucular no no cuz cuz it doesn't have two U's um but it's spelled it's spelled the same but it's like dimetrodon or dimetrodon it's the same thing megalodon

53:11or Megalodon oh God you're wow yeah keep doing this what is it 20 minutes it's 30 minutes long you I'm glad I brought a lot of beer okay okay yeah the reason why we didn't know about things beforehand cuz we weren't doing like wholesale intellectual studies of science when people were building pyramids and stuff like that that's why we have different ages in throughout anthropological records we have the Bron age and Iron Age and all that because we have to do things like figure out the land around us and when we start finding really old bones like hey this looks like a really big chicken bone what the or this looks like a huge human with a single eye what the we start looking at stuff like that saying just wholesale like that godamn but that's a that's what a YouTube video is a YouTube conspiracy theory video is one person getting to spill their nonsense and they're

54:54unchecked this is why I wanted to this for you and um uh response videos can be blocked by the original person they can curate all comments they can only allow certain ones through they can moderate everything same with a Blog same with all of that they control their own criticism there's a guy right now that a lot of the Paleo Community is going after his name is David Peters he's a jackass um who's like doing stupid things like all reptiles are mammals and all of these clayed should be and this and just all this crap um he wholesale copied an article from a colleague of mine posted it which is violation of copyright because he's attempting to supersede that work by uh importing his own ideas to it he will refuse any critical comments to be posted on his WordPress site that's really common though it's really common with people the the war of ideas in the comment section that's

55:55where being fought yeah it's because it's an echo chamber yeah it's like people don't look as why do people think the world is flattered why do people think dinosaurs don't exist their Google Boolean search is dinosaurs don't exist or creationism is true evolution is false the Earth is flat Chemtrails exist they're creating their own Echo chamber and preaching to their own choir yeah and then they have a message board and they go on that message board massive confirmation bias nobody anybody that doesn't follow that line gets boot it out let's play more of this because this gets gets better because they weren't digging in the Earth because they were all dead there could have been you didn't know what it was that's the thing it's like the same thing with Mammoth Cyclops we didn't know what the it was we didn't know it was a massive you know a massive elephant

57:03species we thought it was a giant person yeah when the first animals were discovered in the lia Tar Pits uh before 1913 they thought it was livestock that got trapped in there and died then they realized holy cows don't have 9in long incizors that are you know perfectly evolved to slash open the throats of things and then you started questioning so the Native Americans and all the people they were finding possibly scatters of bone and didn't know what it was uh did the uh did the northern uh first people start licking bones and rocks no we we discovered that you know science as it figures out going hey this is porous material if I lick porous material it's going to stick to my tongue holy that's a fossil this this this kind of just he the problem with you Eric is you are starting from an improper position you are starting on a confirmation bias you are stating from the beginning that

58:07dinosaurs don't exist and you were using parelia and apophenia the ability for humans to find patterns in order to fit your and then only cherry-pick what belongs that's that's what that's what he does with Flat Earth and the problem with this is like I was saying earlier because now the stupid minority has a voice all I don't know how many million people subscribe to his Channel every single Flat Earth is going to go 61,000 people okay look at that 300,000 views and here's the thing check out the comments the comments he he C comes down are almost identical look 3486 to 3493 are you kidding me oh you son of a oh but I remember being forced to to have the same dinosaur toys as everyone me yeah that's because it's called consumerism Flat Earth no dinosaur what's the point in making these okay see good good for you go in there extremely great research love this

59:16very much thank you Max H Haskins don't breed don't ruin dinosaurs with facts you they were my favorite here's another problem his voice is annoying as oh my god let's play more oh thanks I'm going to open another beer cuz we didn't dig that's because we find the first one and then we're like holy there must be more of these out there and then the bone War started between Ogden and Marsh you had The Mantel collection with the first Iguanodon that was found and they put it and they made these really stupid uh statues and put them in Crystal Palace in London and uh Mary Anning one of the first Fe well the first female pal paleontologist and one of the first people to actually find fossils she discovered the iosaur Mary Anning was the girl from the rhyme she sells seashells on the seashore cuz that's what she did as a child and as she was looking for seashells she found a

60:51skeleton of an iosaur buried in a cliff whoa yeah as like a kid I think she was 12 13 holy I think paleontology Twitter is going to rip me apart for not knowing the thing but come on I'm I'm hyped up now um he's drunk he's hyped up I'm not dude that's one beer all right I've got I don't know how many you had before you got here none get excited I've got nine more in there um I'm going to need them uh yeah it's just so Mary Anning discovered uh iosaur and once you discover something like that you want to go around the world and say hey where else is this stuff let's go somewhere that no one has been which means North America South America Tanzania believ all the things that Captain jackass just rattled off Captain face let's call him Captain face God wited Gibbon I don't just something I yeah I stole that I I stole Gibbon from a trump thing but Gibbon Gibbon one when like a

61:48monkey like a gibbon monkey ape I think they're technically Apes Gibbons are Apes I think Gibbons are Apes H they have tals uh no all apes monkeys but not all monkeys are Apes no apes and monkeys are primat but monkey is just it's not a technical term right it's not a scientific term there was an article that was written that explaining that all apes are monkeys but not all monkeys are Apes see if you can find that well let's we'll go to that afterwards we'll go to that afterwards probably because like give me one of those beers and CRA let's let's keep this rolling I want I want I want to see how deep we can go with this Erb character I don't know what kind do you like whatever you got man have you had a goza yes Wayne Grady this is great that's because there were two paleontologists going at it against each other going I can find the cooler thing

62:56no I can find the cooler thing I'm going to find more than you it was called The Bone Wars Ogden versus Marsh you already talked about this right yeah what was what was underhanded about it they would uh they would uh uh um sabotage each each other's digs they would try and yeah steal fossils they were but because of the competition it's it's like a fight when you have one dude that you know two dudes that have been training all their lives and trying to do the whole thing thing the more amped up one gets the more amped up the others get it's going to be a just throw down this is what happened on an intellectual and fieldwork scale you had two guys trying to make a name for themselves in a burgeoning brand new field that just wanted to get in and roll and they had Direct competition with each other so it's going to be you know you I'm going to find these

63:47bones first and it it got nasty man wow yeah it's like it think of it as Edison versus Tesla ology right except Tesla wasn't very aggressive he sort of like let all that happen yeah true true very true play it keep keep this going MH oh cope yeah cope Marsh Ogden yeah yeah I said Ogden I meant cope my bad M you for saying supposedly not a falsification or fabrication turns out a lot of those dinosaurs were the same species that were previously discovered so oh look this sorod femur looks a lot like that sorod femur but I found this slightly in a different place so I'm going to name it a new species no turns out those are both brosaurus or Apatosaurus or triceratops or stegosaurs anything like that um that that that is just an outright line that he just said when things are discovered and it turns out that they're the same it becomes taxonomically what's called a

65:34junior synonym so uh for example Tyrannosaurus Rex had another name for a really long time it's totally mega mega no regardless whatever the first name for it was was technically the first discovered name for it but since Tyrannosaurus Rex became the more popular the more documented the more thing that became a junior synonym or or an obsc that one actually became what we call Nom obscurum or the Obscure name no longer uh no longer talked about but that's what happened it wasn't an outright fabrication it was two dudes finding bones of the same species or type of animal but not naming it the same thing so that's that's an absolute Eric dubet outright lie uh Sue in the field museum is well not 100% complete 98% complete including formerly unknown elements from any other Tyrannosaur um I believe uh a commercial paleontology group just found like a 99% or almost a 100% complete dinosaur we

66:59have found entireties or near entireties of animals so he's right by a very small technicality of one or two percentage points exactly exactly but what he's implying is completely misleading he's implying that they're finding a shin bone and drawing a dinosaur around exactly but no like we will find we could find 70% of Tyrannosaurus Rex we know what they look like so yeah we will use 3 3D printing or casting of all that many and yeah I'm happily admitting this because everyone knows or at least everyone should know many dinosaurs in museums are what we call conglomerates it will be a see a Triceratops the skull will be real maybe the front half of the animal some ribs maybe some tail vertebrae or the pelvis will be from one animal we will have to use casts of other Triceratops that we have throughout paleontology in other museums many of the fossils you see on

68:00display are casts Now cast doesn't mean created on the spot it means very technically this is a cast it is a replica of an actual existing bone that was wrapped made a mold of and then filled with resin painted to the correct color it is the exact match of a bone that exists it is not something we are just up that is and I hate that when they come in and go oh well look that's like plastic yeah it's plastic it's all that well yeah you know why fossils are fragile it takes us weeks to get a single bone out and then it is covered in glue it is wrapped in tissue paper sometimes tin foil a ton of plaster and reinforcement is wrapped around it then it has to be very carefully slid down a mountain on a car hood in one time or airlifted out in another and put in the back of trucks and then taken all the way to its Museum and then cracked open and then and then prepared

69:03everything has to get uh get leafed off it very carefully and we're adding more glue as we're going because if you sneeze wrong on some uh on some uh mineralized specimens it goes away it just goes boom so you have to work very carefully in a booth with like an aror braider so you're just you're shooting extremely fine particles just to get the top millimeter of material off this is hard detailed work on things that are 65 plus million years old that if we're not careful they fall apart we are not going to wrap something like that in steel and put it up on a mount especially somewhere I don't know like Los Angeles where things like earthquakes happen it's statements like that that he makes are just irritating keep it keep it going B ABS lutely you Eric I'm a Paleo monitor you I am actually contracted to go out to building sites and make sure fossils are

70:18protected and dug up correctly in fact you know what Jackass I found a whale in downtown LA you Eric dubet you found a whale I found a whale in Downtown LA Oh you talked about this the last podcast you were talking about how they had a shutdown construction exactly you know why cuz building construction finds dinosaurs and and whales and prehistoric animals you jackass oh you Farmers so uh uh Sue was found on a guy's Farm there have been numerous dinosaurs numerous prehistoric animals found on a guy's Farm by the way there's an entire private area up in Bakersfield called sharks tooth Hill where they find Meg teeth megaladon teeth all the time Bakersfield in Bakersfield it's on private land Farmers Builders recreational people yeah hey guess what a couple people hiking in Red Rock Canyon up near Palmdale found a trackway from an ancient camel Rec recreational

71:18people yeah this happens all the time the reason why it's happening more and more lately is because people know what they're looking for now they understand wow there could be out here hey if we're digging a road if we're widening the 99 Freeway in Fresno holy we hit a mammoth or holy we found a whale in Downtown LA like with within blocks of the 110 freeway in Good Samaritan Hospital I won't tell you where I can't but yeah just want to secrecy yeah it's just part of the part of the contracts that's that's the deal because if you find something if you find something there you can find more we found over 400 specimens of shark teeth uh whales uh or a rib cage of a whale snails fossil Coral all of this because downtown LA was underwater 7 million years ago and yeah that's oh my God that's ah let's keep going you found all the time meaning trained oh okay so it's perfectly fine to

72:59accidentally find ancient Scrolls or silver deneri from the Roman period or a neverbe known pyramid in South America oh no that's cool you know why cuz humans made those but it's completely out of the norm for some kid some 9-year-old kid to be walking around Montana and find a mummified hadrosaur because yeah I don't know why made that distinction that's a weird comparison that it's more plausible to find the Dead Sea Scrolls in Kuman than it is to find a Megalodon tooth Bakers field that doesn't make any sense no no it it doesn't make any sense he's he's anthropomorphizing this and he's using a very an absolutely invalid Lo invalid argument in a logical fallacy he's trying he's he's trying to it's absolute false equivocation he's trying to go oh well you know you can't find this stuff because it's super super old but you can find this stuff because it's Young

73:55and it's humans and you know people live there so we'd expect stuff there well guess what there's 65 million years of difference between humans deciding to write down and go hey uh there's a day and a night that means something's ruling the day and the night God's religion and Industry and all that and dinosaurs eating 65 million years you we were tree shrews and moles we didn't we weren't building we weren't writing stuff down it such a false argument God this guy's a jackass no it wasn't no it wasn't because we found a bunch of there like Dinosaur National Park stop saying F allegedly you son of a yeah because it's a fantastic site oh oh oh really really hey guess what Eric I ran a lab that we had three and a half million specimens from the Ice Age that goes back 90,000 years so the laa tarpits the largest ice Sage mammal collection on the planet and this stuff isn't mineralized it's

76:00actually subsumed with asphalt keeping the uh all of the calcium and everything intact these are actual bones when we find a saber-tooth cat tooth it's the physical tooth of the animal which is kind of freaky to think about but but but saying that it's like yeah we find a lot of in places the river of death in Alberta when they're digging the pipeline um I don't know Mammoth Hot Springs there are things called Death traps and Predator traps in sink holes and natural trap caves and I don't know entire sand dunes falling on things while they're fighting the dueling dinosaurs it's a protoceratops versus a velociraptor that was found in Mongolia because a Sand Dune fell on them while they were tussling around because the vraptor wanted to eat the thing that that that's a rad specimen by the way you know what's interesting about this guy is that he knows so much is that his his un

76:55is knowledge of the history of paleontology and of researching dinosaur bones he knows so much I I call on that what I'm thinking is that he's reading from a script that he cobbled together on Wikipedia I challenge him to go toe-to-toe with somebody in the business I don't know like me and go okay start throwing dates start throwing specimens I will own you but you know what I'm saying I mean he's he's obviously he knows all these people he knows about the bone Wars he knows who in charge of all these different simple Google search of largest dinosaur thing found okay I'm going to write these three things down on this Manila on this Manila I understand that I'm not saying that it's it's impressive and and that it's conclusive evidence I'm saying it's it's impressive that this guy has done this much research but yet still has this ridiculous idea and he's

77:46using he's using all this data that's actually factual about how many different people found how many different things and he's decided this is proof and all he does is put allegedly in front of it it's like no sorry over 6,000 specimens were found there deal with it mm why do you think it's called The Dinosaur National Monument now it's kape actually yep it was called the tiniest Giants exhibition what the wrong if you find concentrated planting efforts what did they plant what were the things that they planted there's dinosaur bones that they planted that's that's what were the dinosaur bones made out of like res so that is actually an argument with these jackasses it's like okay so big paleo the big paleontologist people like me big paleo big Pharma yeah like big Pharma and big they and you know all that big podcast Jamie there there you go we're big podcast we're an

79:13industry so they say they not in the black man you know black helicopter they but they as in the detractors state that paleontologists like me will create a fossil whether it's like a cast or will'll just make one up and on these Expeditions we go out and we actually bury it and uncover it and make the news and all that well if that was true Eric why is it that when we find something say in I don't know 2008 it's not usually written about until say 2012 and that's just a symble a single note in the Journal of vertebrate paleontology which I guarantee you've never read or it's done as a poster at the Society of vertebrate paleontology which I will absolutely guarantee you've never been to and then the fossil's still in prep at that point we haven't done all the research on it it's still undiscovered fossil found if we are going out and investing all of this money in order to

80:23make these fakes and bury them and pay all of these people to shut them up and huge excavations like that we would kind of want to recoup that money as fast as possible and immediately dump it to the news and get paid for spokesmanship and all of that but we don't we suffer natural history museums are some of the lowest donated to institutions on the planet art museums are generally number one there are people that get laid off all the time from museums museums close if we were making all this money and making all this Fame why are there paleontologists out of a job why do I know a dozen monitors that don't have work right now why are there museums that have problem actually getting a budget to get an excavation going that they have to use private donors that they have to use their board of directors that they have to go from a County Museum to a foundation nonprofit nonprofit

81:24this is such a line of that I mean that that pisses me off because his simple statements are looping in thousands and tens of thousands of employees and museums and all of that worldwide this would be one of the largest conspiracies ever other than I don't know Moon hoaxes and NASA earth flat Earth and like that's the other one he does the B one keep going ah get son of a what the nonprofit business okay Eric um if if that's true uh then why do dinosaurs become P why does somebody like me who has been on I don't know 13 14 different television shows talking about paleontology geology and all that I have pitched dinosaur like live dig stuff to BBC and all of that I'm Consulting on a couple projects right now unfortunately you can't name them but uh dinosaurs become p a very very quickly cuz people are like oh cool new dinosaur is found yeah big deal or oh wa brosaurus is back

83:00yeah whatever but the mainstream media as you said is just like they love a dinosaur story but that's that's absolute when was the when was the last like dinosaur document yeah there was um uh uh what was it called autopsy of a t-rex with uh my friend Tor and uh that that okay that was a speculative science show it was like what happens if we found a T-Rex and cut it open and do an autopsy that was a hit and then paleontology TV died again two years ago I had a two-hour National Geographic documentary about digging up woolly mammoths in that it aired a night there was a little bit of press done the production company that did the the the thing with Nat Geo is out of business now just done it's like really we're we're pressured and to get this money then why aren't we making more why Eric am I a bartender in addition to a paleontologist in addition to somebody

84:02that's on TV if I'm making all this big Pharma or sorry big paleo money if I'm such a shill okay yeah is that why I'm a month behind on my car payment right now is that why I'm trying to scrape together rent you he get aggressive oh I'm very aggressive these guys wait the wait wait wait wait wait the band ragon effect and the and and crowd Behavior like Flat Earth okay we're only 7 minutes and 53 seconds into a 29 minute video oh all we don't have to keep going I don't want you to get too mad I think you kind of made your point yeah you can pull the plug anytime you want but now it's like one of those Twitter arguments man now I'm getting inv I know that's why I wanted to play for I know you you troll me all the time cuz we follow each other we DM each other and all of a sudden in my feet it's like I I have you on Note cuz we're both verified it pops up and it's just

85:09like Joe ran is tweeting about Flat Earth I'm like what and then just go for it it's like you're I mean like you know the podcast and like fight commentary and UFC stuff and like with your with like triggered coming out and all that that's one thing when you you rile up the cranks man you're just like you're at the same level actually you have like how many followers do you have like 2 million right like on Twitter uh uh TD take that Darwin like 10 maybe 15,000 I get the same level of RI from both of you man it's like we need to fly him out and have him on the show this guy this no Take that darll you him rad no Eric dubet if he's ever on the show I want to be outside waiting with a baseball bat oh how you want to be violent with him almost almost don't you want to talk to him would you love I mean I think you could gain a lot from sitting down with a guy like this and

86:09just sort of picking him apart because he would realize what he was wrong about and instead of him being able to just spout off on a YouTube video he would be checked at every step of the way whenever he said something incorrect yes but the problem is the only reason why I would do that he will never change his mind well he's probably crazy well duh he's absolutely crazy but think about it right now you have 4 million subscribers that now know this video exists that know Eric Dub's name that know that paleontologist get can get riled up by this guy they're now going to go look if any one of your listeners is on the fence about dinosaurs why would you be but you could have some those are the people that I would have to try and convince I will never convince him I will mock the living out of him until he wants to put himself into a chipper shredder but I will never convince him

87:05it's the and that's that's the thing so all you scyon people out there we don't do it to try and convince the big mouthpieces for these movements we're trying to go for the people that aren't quite sure if we embarrass the living out of these people those people will go wow those guys are idiots why did I even consider that the world is flat or that dinosaurs didn't exist or creationism exists or Chemtrails or Nibiru rogue planets and like that wait a minute don't talk about niru seriously don't don't even dude don't even I just had a well the Anunnaki were definitely real and they definitely came down and they definitely made people with monkeys I've seen clay tablets drawings mhm and they knew they had wisdom Nancy leader with the implant and I don't know who Nancy leer is oh my god really no that's like the that's the queen of Nibiru so like since like 1993

88:03or 1995 or something like that she's claimed that the uh the the zans uh that know about Nibiru and all that put an implant in her head and she's the only one that can talk to them imagine if it was true though imagine you're sitting here mocking her meanwhile this has got a implant in her head she's talking to aliens so uh and you're like yeah you think it's real and she's like I've got a message but well the thing is they've been wrong so she is she actually made a prediction and was totally wrong on it well may maybe they're trolling her well mean why would they tell people what's going to happen and what's going they don't give a we're like little monkeys they're like little monkeys with a lighter true true and that that's actually their argument their argument but if you do the math so this this Rogue Planet supposedly has like a um orbital period

88:53of 36 100 years and it goes out I think it was like 5050 Au or something like 50 distances from the Earth to uh to the sun um yeah the orbital velocity of that would be an excess of 42.1 KM a second which is the escape velocity of the solar system any sort of gravitational pert uh uh protuberance that or uh sorry a problem that would have as it approached I don't know Pluto or the uh or the cbia belt or anything the orc cloud or anything like that the slightest bit of gravitation would launch it out of the solar system on a who the knows where it's going trajectory there's no way a planet the size of Neptune is cruising in and right behind the sun on a counter orbit to us so according to them the Earth has stopped rotating it has stopped orbiting it is now just wobbling back and forth and there's going to be a physical pole shift of the planet oh this is this lady yeah this is the Nancy

89:54but there is a planet there's something that they found that's outside the Kyper belt right there there is something some object that they believe is four times plus larger than the earth that is because of uh outer orbits of outer material Wiggles just a little bit whether it's a twin Sun or a dark star or a Neptune siiz planet or anything like that we don't know that is all speculation I it's like I'm going to JPL next Wednesday for a tour and talking to people it's it no one knows cuz no one's discovered the whole planet X thing everyone's like Planet X was discovered no it wasn't or Planet 9 or whatever the they're calling it now it was not discovered it was theorized there's a huge difference between hypothesis a theory and a discovery a hypothesis of hey shit's wiggling that means something may be out there a theory is hey we found something we have the facts to

90:48back it up we are establishing a scientific theory in between those you have the discovery of we have an image of the planet or hey we see it transiting something it's like right now it's just a theory there's no image of it but they it's just a hypothesis it's not even a theory they also know that the the way the the Kyper belt responds and then the galactic shelf the way it ends it seems to indicate something of a large mass that's outside there absolutely they think it's some insane orbit like a 33,000 year orbit I believe it was yeah not a 3600 year orbit or anything really really far far away and it's really really far away and it's not it wouldn't be a binary system because nothing's like figura through right who knows maybe hi's comet is maybe maybe just maybe I don't know I'm not an astrophysicist maybe on its 75e trajectory it's flying so fast it goes

91:42all the way out and flings around and comes back who knows I well JPL and guys like I'll ask Fred on what are you doing Wednesday morning by the way I don't know we'll talk about it after the show cool deal I might be going with you right on I'll be fun yeah private tour JPL yeah that'd be exciting I I know the Mars photographer does sign about soone won't tell him about fake dinosaurs and probably have to be a shell for the Flat Earth it depends if we go in the clean room or not or or see the uh see the Mars yard where they fake the Curiosity Rover I have a friend who doesn't believe in satellites oh satellites are low flying planes have you seen that one Eddie Bravo yeah yeah by the way Eddie guess what uh I brought a chem chemtrail sticker for you too buddy um he's still he's still he hangs on to that chemtrail one hard oh so uh my friend I was in

92:30Atlanta for uh for a convention and my friend Tommy listens to your podcast just he's got he's got the um uh the awakened primate tattoo I think I sent you a text with a picture on it okay cool like um he's like a really cool dude and he's like dude did you hear the Eddie Bravo podcast I'm like no he's he doesn't believe in science he doesn't believe in dinosaurs he's going chemtrail like what are you talking about so we're in his defense he was quite drunk well yeah I I get that but but you get kind of loose and you know your inhibitions get down well he gets excited about Secrets yeah he gets excited about secret societies and and and and these conspiracies and this idea is very attractive to him the Dinosaurs Aren't real it's all been a scam they've been lying to us bro he doesn't believe in science cuz he can't do it stuff like that well it's just it's a it's a

93:27pattern of thinking that's attractive to a lot of people this pattern of thinking that you're going to uncover some Hidden Truths yeah because you can be that person you can be that famous person it's like hey everybody guess what happened to Heraldo when he opened Al Capone's vault anybody remember that yeah well that was a chance he took chance the same thing or opening but that's but not really because Al Capone's vault was a real Vault and who knows he could have got in there and then it could have been something innocuous like old whiskey or there could have been something cool like a murder weapon I mean who knows but but but it's along the same lines as you want to be just like scientists we want to find something that's never been found before and name it after ourselves or a loved one or really cool scientist of the past right and discover a new

94:11species or discover a new planet or send a Rocket To Mars we want to do that too but it's when you get into the idea of I want to do that and I want to take them down that's when we have the problem because you're not using and everybody wants to say that they're critical thinkers and all that you're not you really aren't I'm sorry any of Joe's listeners that think of any of this you're not doing critical thinking you're cherry-picking you're finding patterns to fit your model you're not looking at contrail science you're not looking at simple simple proof of curvature you're not looking at the fact that museums exist and we have actual dinos flat but it's kind of like got like a hump I think that's what they think well like a little bit of a hump I would like to make a very public challenge that any flat earther Advocate if you show me a photo of Polaris with a timestamp and GPS

95:14coordinates of Australia I'll believe Flat Earth what does that mean so Polaris is the Northern Star if we think about a flat Earth okay North Pole here Flat Earth ice wall blah blah blah Polaris would be directly above the North Pole right Australia be over here okay it would be able to look up see Polaris at night all the time if it was flat if it was flat because it's a globe because it's round and the polls are doing this Polaris is up here hey guess what you can't see through the Earth and see Polaris what is this Jamie it's a version of The Flat Earth that mhm they think might who's they one of the Flat Earth Theus so this is what they think it is there like a dip in the middle yeah and and if you go further out it's a scoop why so why would it be like a cigar ashtray this is what it is like a cigar ashtray that's floating in the sky that's that's based on biblical because

96:10you have the quote unquote four corners of the earth held aoft by Angels your flatten motion is through space totally logical yeah you know I I where are the Penguins uh above or below uh all around all around but are they in the North or the South Pole that's the problem so yeah um pull up oh that's what it looks like that that's one of them um that's cool that's a good one that that's a fun one it's like turtles all the way down it looks like a chocolate chip yeah oh yeah okay yeah go so I want to what's so okay flat earthers what's on the other side how come we can actually and they say no flights over the South Pole there are there are absolutely flights over the ice continent it's like none of the travel times of aircraft work on a flat Earth but is it disturbing to you cuz it's disturbing to me that this was not an issue 3 years ago you never heard about this three

97:06years ago then all of a sudden out of nowhere there's a bunch of people that I get if I say if I make a tweet about the Flat Earth or mock something or put up a video I will get hundreds and hundreds of morons I know yeah you know cuz you've gotten in it with them sometimes I do it and and when I see you in there I go yes I know it I know I know I can just move I'm waiting for the text message of like hey Trev check my feed I just let it happen man if you want to look it's up to you I don't want to bait you in no I I I think I'm going to have to turn off notifications from you I love you man but wow I love you too but it's fun to watch you squirm you get mad I get I get because it's your business yeah science ignorance pisses me off science denial irritates me well it should it should yeah cuz I'm sorry you have no right to be stupid in the Modern Age you have all of the

98:01answers in the palm of your hand what's that Co you that's pretty dope what you got there oh Hydra from Agents of Shield hail Hydra you're a grown up kid dud no dude um oh Twitter wow how many not I'm not even going to look my notifications look they're getting mad right now Cobra and Decepticons come on you're off the deep end I'm Gen X my license my license ples Decepticon oh all right now people know that's it's fine I've posted pictures of it flat Earth people are going to be absolutely searching for you run my plates come to my address and present him with the truth come to my address in East Hollywood go ahead going confront you with flat Earth reality bro yeah you're a shill you're a flat Earth shell a dinosaur shell what else big Pharma because vaccines are vaccines are important big Pharma shell uh uh yeah I'm I'm apparently an atheist shill because creationism um what

98:59else a NASA shill for both Moon hoaxing and neiru um yeah so I I freaked a lot of people out because when I got my uh the the sticker pack and all that from the team chemtrail guys I also got Patches and a challenge coin I what's a challenge coin you like a military challenge coin yeah they have it uh for team chemtrail too on one side it's the it's this logo and the other one is uh if you can't beat him Barum you know the element Barum that they think is in KRA being spray yeah um so it's just one of those fun things cuz I I like mocking the out of these people I had to interview one of those guys that made documentaries about it for and he was showing me proof he was like what in the world they spraying those documentaries yeah yeah yeah yeah he uh he had proof from this lab that he had uh gotten these tests of this water yeah yeah and the water it was crazy because he was

99:52saying you know that this water shows proof that aluminum is in the water and they're spraying aluminum in the sky and then lands in the water so what he tested and this that has been debunked um Mick West has ripped that apart on uh on metabunk and uh I debunked it right there and then it was rain and aluminum exists in the well not only that what he tested was sludge really the laboratory result said sludge so I said to him I said it says sludge he goes no I gave them water I go okay but the lab says it's sludge that means it's an Amal of s dirt so aluminum is one of the most common things that you can find in dirt so your dirt tested positive for dirt and you think that's proof of chemtrails yeah and the dude was just like yeah just shut down I need to watch that see him thinking trying to find some way out of it that didn't exist I'm like I'm trying to be open-minded here

100:48but what you've done here is nonsense yeah all of all of them are nonsense they find one tiny little fragment of something that fits in their up worldview and wrap their entire Paradigm around it and they make videos and they make videos and then they monitor the comments and delete anyone who disagrees with them or they are enforcing an echo chamber of self-awareness I mean yeah you're not woke as I'm sorry I love saying that though well yeah no because there's a way there is a way to be woke as please tell me how well okay look at you dude you're fit as you're fit as you um the entire point of your podcast is you're interviewing people because you want to know things you constantly look for information that is noble and you make informed decisions you use you know you use substances to get into States you are healthy you work out and the entire fact when you start comment doing

101:52commentary for UFC you wanted to know what it was like so you started training you started working out you're embracing the ideal of learning that is woke as you are having massive conversations with people about every conceivable topic that's woke well I appreciate that but I got to be honest I secretly wish that Bigfoot was real that's okay I secretly wish that Niro was real that's fine I would I would be rooting for this lady with the chip in her head to be right right but that's why I'm that's why I'm doing that History Channel show doomsday we get we get questions like hey what would happen if an asteroid hits the planet that like the same size that killed the dinosaurs if it hit hit hit right now last week was the Rogue Planet episode what if a planet the size of jup of uh Neptune rolls into the solar system on a collision course of Earth we're

102:44yeah well the first three episodes are were asteroid were black hole very uh Neptune planet super what are we not by what is what are people worried about that we don't have to worry about um possibly nuclear war depends on the size of the War uh if it's like a low yield one between a couple Nations yeah you'll have millions if not billions of dead people like India and Pakistan yeah um or you know everybody in state of Israel versus uh anybody like Iran that uh may have some that that kind of thing or North Korea and everybody else um depending on the scale if it was like superpowers like old school War Games cold war Cru Chev Kennedy yeah we're all screwed and that is yeah you're just you're done population Falls below 10,000 people we can no longer propagate the species we are but if it's a low yield one yeah Millions maybe a billion people will die

103:41then you've got the Fallout then you've got the possibility of winter and then you have the possibility of things like radioactive rainfall and all that but there's a possibility we could survive maybe we can adapt we're pretty good at adap ing that's the cool thing about humans we are tool using primates if I was Hillary Clinton I'd be looking to bomb people right now and be like this is it low yield that's how we do it low yield War I'm I like what he's saying I'm not I'm not a fan of the whole idea of war or nuke war or anything like that but I understand uh uh the basis behind deterrence well it works it it it it has worked it's worked since Oppenheimer that's the problem with war in en War works yeah it's not ineffective it's not like like we're going to go to war everybody dies and everyone gets disease and civilization crumbles no make some advances yeah only on completely uh

104:34completely lopsided Wars like genocide in Rwanda or um genocide in Croatia or genocide in Turkey um things like that um those those are horribly lopsided or I don't know World War II what he all decided to do to wow um I won't even say his name uh that Hitler guy yeah exactly would you say Trump's name or you won't say Hitler's name uh you think the same not yet but um yeah it's like I I wonder if he'll sue me but hey Trump you're a demagogue read the ninth book of Plato's Republic uh you are basically Illustrated in it and you are the most unfit person to ever run for president and that includes like dudes like de nuts and all of that you're a joke and but who's de nuts not a real guy right de nuts that a real guy there was some guy that was like named himself de nuts and like said I'm running for president and all that or like the time Cube guy ran for president once and I'm

105:38hoping that what's going to go on with this election is that Trump is it's so ridiculous that a guy like him got so far with as much baggage as he has as much skeletons in the closet as much not paying taxes over small business is that you know you know small contractors that work with them the bankruptcies all the craziness all the grabbing all that all that I can't believe that so cra so over the top off the deep end crazy that I wonder if like maybe this will be the birth of a a more a more competent form of government like slowly but surely this Battleship will make some turns because of what seen here I I think so because interesting like Billy bush is leaving The Today Show because of those comments in the video yet Trump is still running for president well Billy Bush didn't say anything and he's getting $10 million yeah you hear that yeah how was

106:39that he donated it already he said why cuz he women were hating him already why are they hating him listen let me let me tell you something Ladies as much as I deplore anything that Donald Trump said in that video about grabbing and all that crap if I was on the bus with him and it was just me and Donald and we didn't think we were being recorded and he started talking crazy like that I'd let him go I'd let him go I wouldn't check him you know why I wouldn't check him because it's not my responsibility all right and he's talking crazy and when people are talking crazy sometimes I want to hear if someone wants to tell me that they've been abducted by aliens they've traveled back through time and their their DNA is being propagated in on other planets and the reason why is cuz they're from select group of humans that have existed since the beginning of

107:26time and that their DNA even though it looks like everybody else's is different I'll let that guy talk well yeah just like I'll let this grab an talk you you he's not responsible he's a host of a television show he's sitting next to a crazy man who's talking about grabbing you just got to let that guy talk like you for them to to fire him for that or be mad at him for that little heavy-handed but oh he's definitely well he him yes but I'm saying the Billy Bush guy yeah no no that's that's what I'm saying he didn't do anything but the thing is I'm the kind of person that would check that would you yeah would you step in and go hey man don't grab oh dud okay um so but you want to hear him talk though he's so crazy would you want to keep keep running no I I no those people need to shut the up well I'm a Centrist I'm a registered independent voter I'm a

108:17Centrist I'm an equalist it's like I was I was gunned for McCain for a while and then came along yeah and then he had his weird little meltdown I'm like no hey now oh yeah don't you know yeah no no I can see Russia from my porch she didn't actually say that right that was an SNL thing right she kind of said she could see Russia wow yeah I mean she's kind of talking about it she could I always thought that was like a Tina Fe like SNL thing and then they like it ran into and it it became that whole that whole deal she was wonderful she was she was wonderful because she was like the first example of this anti-intellectualism on on display but other than Bush of course but running for president running to be the king of the world and like being one of us being one of us right we're all together the workingclass folks the blue collar Joe lunchbox yeah and all the cospl triats

109:14got right behind that and all those you know you know Gears of War Medal of Honor playing that have like like AR-15s and like yeah we're going to go take over a uh you know a Wildlife Reserve up in Oregon and all that these are the people that are behind Trump right now yeah that that Oregon stuff was very confusing I had to I had to really pay attention to what's going on with that you have to pay to use federal land to graze your cattle on they didn't want to pay yeah it's our land it's the United States government the entire United States people own that land yes and the BLM is the recognized Authority in order to monitor that land and the BLM is one of the lowest paid divisions so they need those licenses and fines and all that in order to function and in order to do things like build fencing and allow places like all the national parks and BLM land and all

110:14that in order for us to enjoy that yeah exactly it was a very confusing argument the the argument they should be a able to graze for free was very strange how are you not why should you not be able to pay your way cuz they're their weird constitutionalist s any sense because it's you're looking at the the federal lands they are without a doubt a national resource right Parks it's a resource and in those resources you're going to have food for animals and this is what these animals are grazing on well that also gets in the way of all these other wild animals that we protect like Buffalo like the American Bison they need those and and here's what's really crazy about it they're killing bison in in large numbers and they're culling them in Yellowstone and one of the reasons why is because they they will escape they will leave the park borders and go into these areas where

111:07traditionally cattle have grazed and they're so big and so robust that they sort of devastate these areas and then it it affects the cattle market uh paleontology came across that too did you we think that uh a couple a couple research uh researchers have considered that the expanse of the antique bison bison antiquis and the longhorn bison pison latifrons when they came across the Bearing Sea and got into North America with the recession of the glaciers they out competed mammoths they out competed a lot of natural grazing herbivores because they eat faster they're larger they breed quicker they can basically terraform an area of they can eat saplings from trees and grass they can drink mud and get hydrated these are amazing well evolved creatures and well adapted to that environment they got into the perfect environment to just go and that's why we

112:07didn't have any native horses we didn't have any native elephants anymore and all that the Bison outcompeted so what you're saying absolutely the Bison rolls into cattle grazing land it's going to take over and thing is you can actually mate bison buff uh you know bu buffalo in uh in cows you can have be yeah it's amazing to me that they didn't embrace the Bison as more of a domestic animal in that sense because it's so much more robust yeah than a cow I mean obviously cows are great and everything like that but you can't tell me that bison meat doesn't taste great no it's way leaner it's awesome yeah it's fantastic it's higher in protein it's you know and especially if they're grazing on Grain on uh grass they're not grain fed it's higher in Omega-3s and sixes it's better for you it's but we that all up in the 1800s with like over hunting a bison and near

112:57Extinction and all that market hunting that's what they they did and sometimes they would leave giant piles of them just for their tongues they would just take their tongues and kill them for that and the hides and a bunch of different things and yeah they did a number on them in the the 1800s yeah there's shot in uh Dances with Wolves that old CER flick where they come over the hill and obviously the white man was here because there's just skinned Buffalo carcasses like as as far as the I can see cuz they were just going for the pelts cuz the pelts were selling that season yeah it's dark man it's dark when you consider that what they did to all the different animals on the planes it's pretty incredible what a the the impact that human beings had in such a short period of time the impact we're having on the environment now in such a short period of time it's crazy yeah it's

113:44like we need to become more responsible with figuring out what the we are doing are you aware of the American seretti project no no they're trying to buy up giant chunks of private land in um the Montana Wyoming area and they're trying to build a park even larger than Yellowstone and what they're trying to do is sort of uh have it this National Park where um you know they there's a like a robust supply of Bison wolves coyotes all the all these different things and they're trying to uh they're spending a lot of money and they're also running block Management on it which mean means they're going to open it up to Hunters as well and they're trying to take these areas of private land buy them up and then slowly convert it into a gigantic public park that they think you know as far as like with the the animals that have survived um that will in some way mimic the

114:46original what they call American serengetti that would be cool it's pretty interesting there a guy name they're American Prairie Preserve that's oh neat preserve the idea of it the only question I would have for them is are there other species that have now adapted for the area that they're doing that they will impact with this right that is what happens Plains rattlesnakes are there uh smaller cats like Bobcats things like that if you are taking buring owls if you're taking a bunch of things that are no longer in the area or very sparse in the area and then you are condensing them into a spot and then kind of making a serengetti theme park I don't mean to offend them but that's just kind of the gist I'm getting if you fill it full of things that aren't there now you're going to be displacing things that are there now that's true I think what they're trying to do is they're looking

115:39at what happened in Africa like in Africa instead of large scale agriculture the way we've embraced that in the United States for for most people they think about food you know they go to the store they go to the grocery store they go to the vegetable aisle they get their food but very few people actually go to visit these enormous swaths of land that have been converted to large scale agriculture right and we think of large scale agriculture large scale um you know like AG gag laws that refer to factory farming things along those lines we don't think of factory farming in terms of vegetables but even that itself has had a devastating effect on uh on different parts of this country where it's just the soil has been completely depleted of minerals it needs to be constantly replenished with exogenous minerals every day and but when you look at what they did in Africa

116:31they sort of decided to take these parks and convert them into these enormous Wildlife preserves and so these animals exist more or less in a very similar state to the way they've done thousands of years okavango Delta reserve and all that that that's red but are they importing animals into it yeah see I don't know what they're going to do as far as bring in animals but what they've done in terms of you know like what they've done in Yellowstone when they brought in wolves say although this region was once known for its abundance of wildlife current Wildlife populations are greatly diminished American Prairie Reserve Works to build Wildlife populations in three strategic ways collaborating with state and federal agencies Who oversee all Wildlife Management decisions on their population targets for atrisk species such as the swift fox partnering with ranching

117:21operations around the preserves edges to increase tolerance for wildlife that's a weird word tolerance for wildlife reducing the amount of kills and the regions habitat fragmentation yeah I don't like tolerance for wildlife it's like I'm sorry if you're ranching near a thing like that you should be tolerant of wildlife well the problem is if it like it in interferes on their on their private land like that's where it gets weird right there's not a fence alive that can keep a buffalo out oh hell no if it wants to go going through so this idea that you're going to put up a fence and then somehow know that lush green grass is going to be uh safe from Buffalo not really they're just going to headbutt that fence says bison restoration they've reintroduced bison in 2005 after 120e absence H interesting yeah so they are they're doing reimporting Animals so how are the 120e

118:16absence bison over the last 11 years impacting the cougar the swift fox the Pronghorn the black footed ferrets the grassland birds all that that's like I I want to know more before I would sign off on something like that it's like how how many bison did you introduce um what is their propagation what is their current gestation rate um what is their current uh birth to death ratio how are they impacting a place that they haven't been for 120 years 120 years for a lot of animal species is a very short amount of time for others it's just the right amount of time to start really adapting to an environment and establishing an entirely new Predator prey relationship with things there all of a sudden you put in this monstrous thre ton cow Beast that could screw a lot of things up yeah it could I mean they require a lot of food a lot of resources and we've seen what happens when they've done

119:13things like this well particularly with wolves and Yellowstone it's been really fascinating to see what the impact it's had on animals and how the animal have sort of shifted where they live and behave and it's a it's it's so cool but it also it's also like man what a cautionary tale we're kind of like playing playing Creator in a lot of ways by introducing these things um we have a big debate going on that right now in paleontology um the whole cloning deal cloning woolly mammoths and all that um where do you stand on that um I kind of stand on more of an empirical uh area that as of now we have not discovered viable enough material in order to clone something the technology is not there I've uh I have talked to well while I was in Siberia a couple years ago I talked to some of the leading geneticists from South Korea like insung Lang and uh all those guys

120:09and they're saying like maybe 50 years because the way the cloning uh has to happen we have to find viable DNA a complete like a complete individual genome plant that into for willly Mammoth specific specifically plant that into the nearest living relative which is the Asian elephant that means we have to harvest an egg from a female Asian elephant which is difficult to do we would have to harvest many eggs because Dolly the sheep had like 870 some odd tries before 12 stuck and one was born trying to do that with elephants they go into must every like for three days out of a year or something like that I don't know the specifics but that's a huge Monumental task to do by itself I've seen wly Mammoth carcasses I've looked at them under biological microscopes I've taken tissue to have uh put into scanning electron microscopes we've looked for viable DNA have not found any fragments

121:04sure but not in the entire thing of the genome this animal went extinct this animal went extinct possibly with human interaction we're not quite sure yet but definitely through an inability to adapt to a changing climate this is the perfect example if humans were not involved of natural selection this animal could not live in the environment anymore that being said should we establish the Pine Park in Siberia and clone willly mammoths I don't think so I think this technology would be better used and not being a genetics expert or geneticist at all I think it would be better used for actual human interactive deaths Doos Moa Tasmanian tigers passenger pigeons things we have specimens of now that would be easier to do like they're working on pass passenger pige pigeons right now with the I think it's the three B pigeon maybe just The Bard pigeon um genetics Twitter correct me on

122:08that um but what is important about bringing back that pigeon I mean obviously there's a principle because they're respon we're responsible human beings are for their demise I think I think that's that's it it's maybe it's maybe it's the idea of wow we up right but hasn't 90% of everything that's ever been alive dead oh yeah like 90 95% of every single species that has ever been on the on the planet in four and a half billion years is extinct right so where do we stop like why why bring back the doo bird and the Tasmanian tiger and not the woolly mammoth because the Dinosaurs the early uh you know early placental mammals tiic all of that going way back in time and things like the will Mammoth or the saber-tooth cat or uh the step Mammoth or the uh you know the uh stadon or macadons those went extinct all whether it was like a cosmic impact huge volcanic eruptions

123:06climate change the oxygen uh suddenly dropping in the atmosphere or in the ocean all of that happened through natural resources we have now overstepped those bounds and we are responsible for the extinction of the golden frog the PO frog poor Golden Frog I miss it yeah they're they're cute I don't even know they existed my life would not be impacted one way or another would it probably not but but but we bring do you think what do you think that the world around them the natural world has adapted to them being extinct and we should just leave well enough alone that that could be the same argument as I was making against the Bison absolutely think about all the money that would have to be spent to bring back the dodo bird I personally say the dodo bird I don't miss him it's plenty of cool Birds they can go themselves yeah I mean we have things like African uh

124:00African shoe bills and stuff like that come on man shoe bills are the they're like one of my all-time favorite animals CA War's win man CA War's are dinosaur cwar CA waries or the uh how do you spell it c a SS o w a r y is that like a shoe Bill uh no it's scarier oo scarier than a shoe basically this really cool looking semi-f flightless bird they are freak that is a ostrich bro close um no we want the one we want the one with the head Crest yeah oh whoa now Google caari attack see but that's not as cool as a shoe Bill they're beautiful and they're they're pretty and everything like that but shoe bills have the cool Bill shoe bills have a goddamn hatchet on their face these have those like Raptor claws they what they do when they attack they kick up and try and dismal you oh yep there we go oh this guy's coming at it with a board yeah it's like you you will get

124:57owned by a c and they're big man how big are they uh you know they're they're decent size they're like pushing six feet 26 what happened 16 yearold Philip McLean did he get jacked yep he got killed yeah third tallest second heaviest bird whoa yeah look at the look at those feet and on those things Jesus Christ they've run 49 mph they're 4.9 ft tall oh look at those claws those are horrific man yeah whoa they're they're trippy dude they're and look hey that's like a T-Rex foot that is a therapod foot you got to get him in a heel hook that's the key the key is you got to get a hand on one of the the bottom of one of the feet like the ankle like right where it meets the foot you get a hand on one and then you stay on the outside and then you want a butterfly hook the other side and just snap that leg I don't think they would even know how to defend they probably have shitty defense

125:52they' probably try to Peck at you you know that's not going to help what a weird animal but a shoe builds cooler sorry okay they they do look cooler for the head and they can like the eyes too they have those evil Raptor eyes and they can they can totally just like Knack you with that with that yeah look at that yeah it's like look at that one of my favorite videos online is a shoe bill which is this dinosaur Bird eats this uh snakehead fish which is this fish that can figure out how to get out of the water and walk to the next Pond M so this prehistoric creepy ass bird kills this prehistoric creepy ass fish that can walk on land like literally it's a walking transitionary fossil it is walking on land it's it's a crazy video man is this it I don't maybe they're so creepy looking too they're just so heartless we uh back in the uh back during the the age of

126:52mammals post dinosaur uh we had things called Terror Birds down in South we were talking about those yesterday yeah like eight 10t tall giant flightless birds with huge battle axes for faces yeah it's like so here we go it's evolu but a smaller one that's a small terror bird and they were predatory monsters just running around jacking things they're not flightless though are they I don't know if they are they don't look like it right I don't believe so it is kind of amazing when you when you find out how many different animals existed in North America alone just 10,000 years ago CS started here camels yeah all dogs yeah I'm reading uh coyote America by Dan Flores I wanted to read that it's great it's crazy it's what a crazy animal a coyote is by the way it's nuts he's coming on the podcast um I think he's going to be here in January whenever he's in town oh that's

127:48cool yeah he's he's uh if you want to listen to him too he's on the meater podcast with Steve ranella maybe um 68 months ago they did a podcast together it's I've listened to it three or four times it's amazing right horses horses started here and went extinct here and made it all across the the rest of the world and then were brought here by Spanish settlers nuts yeah they were brought back and then now they're everywhere there's Wild Horses thousands of them tens of thousands all throughout the Southwest yeah it's the it's it's really cool things like that and when the ismos of Pama when Panama uh rose up and connected the two continents together you had the just this awesome transition of life like llamas and birds and uh uh big cats and that back and forth just also why the prong horn analou is so fast they're so much faster than anything that could catch it today

128:43because they lived and they evolved in a time where there was like cheetah likee cats yeah morassin onics the American Chen the badass and and beyond that so everybody's like oh we had cheetahs and we had we had lions that were bigger than African lions panthera atrox half a ton of angry cat THB 8 n th000 lb Jesus scary I mean everybody's like oh well you know saber-tooth cat it's not tiger it's Cat by the way um uh I that that's just wrote from working at the tarpits for 5 years what color were they uh do we know we don't know but we can guess that they were because they had short tals they were Ambush Predators um because of the environments we find them in uh likely they had a longer coat it was countershaded maybe with some sort of barring or reticulated pattern in order to blend in I think like a really big scary Bobcat oh okay somebody tried to tell me that a bobcat and a mountain

129:39line were the same thing what yeah I was like what you L and and Puma are all the same it's Puma concolor yeah Pumas and Mountain lines are the same thing this guy was trying to say that a bobcat was the same thing cuz I was saying that I saw a Bobby hat in its Cubs recently and uh I thought it was a mountain l i saw it for like a second like a like not even a second like a half a second my friend saw it before me I turned to see it and it was a mama with her Cubs and my brain when they said a cat my brain was like oh they must mean a mountain line so like in my mind the the half of a second I saw it I had seen a mountain line baby but it was actually a bobcat yeah and this guy was like well the same thing I was like the that are not even close it's not like a wolf and a coyote a wolf can a coyote and they can make babies like a kote can a dog we're all everything is a wolf all

130:32those things all those wild canids they're all interchangeable cuz they are all wolves there only a few of the canis genus that cannot do that I think it's which ones um uh one of uh actually yeah there's a jackal I think the blackback maybe the blackback Jackal um God I used to know this because I would throw this at uh creationists all the time cuz they're like oh you know it's the same kind it's like well these can't these that there you go um uh but like African spotted dogs are totally different genus oh absolutely 100% totally different genus they're part of the caned family but they cannot breed with anything else so can they breed and make a hybrid like a liger or no not even huh n not even close that's interesting yeah it's like but you the biological definition of species does kind of break down because it depends whether it's a environmental species or if it's a genck

131:24yeah what a face on him they rad look at those big ears perfect for just like tracking stuff now has any tried to take an African wild dog like that and turn into a pet I have no idea I must be right maybe African hunting dog yeah U I don't know um wild looking dog man look so wild they're so the coloration of them is so it's like so Dynamic yeah but if you if you look at that pattern you've got lights and darks and look at the material behind it look at the grasses and the oh yeah they blend in yeah they're they're literally like walking ASAT camo right yeah like J Jamie go back up to that one with the teeth open that that picture you just showed look at that like that that pattern I mean that is a perfect Predator pattern they sort of blend in the background especially from a distance if they're not moving because most animals they pick up outlines and

132:19then they pick up movement yeah they and if the outline stops moving it disappears especially with a cryptic coloration like that yeah it's is incredible that natural selection has led them to have those kind of coats mhm well there's uh here here in uh Southern California we have two different kinds of snakes um or actually it's the same species but they have totally different color patterns the California king snake the white and black ones that you see yeah they're either banded or striped the banded ones the ones with a horizontal across their body they tend to stay curled up underneath bushes in the desert so as they're white and black yeah there we go so the banded ones like that they stay Cur they stay they stay curled under uh under trees because as it the sunlight is coming through it's creating bands across the Earth so they blend in the Striped ones

133:14move more so the Shadows are longer wow yeah it's really triy how now how the does that happen without Jesus you explain me this is proof positive just like the banana The Atheist nightmare the banana oh Ray comfort's banana yeah oh yeah this is proof positive as well mysterious way d Ray I'm sorry you ever did that um I'm happy he did it and I'm happy that the other dude was right next to him smiling like it made sense uh KK Cameron yeah KK Cameron just fighting off the urge to Sucka with every ounce of his body just fighting off the gay like it's a horde of angry zombies coming over a hill that picture of Ken Ham Cameron and Comfort it's like that's like three heads of cabus the dog from hell like three heads of the Hydra right there see I don't see hell in that I just see foolish people well yeah I just see but bizarre foolish people I see hell for science I see a

134:14problem for Science and Science Education and everything going forward because these are the people that are building full-size arcs in the middle of God God Happ they're doing that crack another one of them beers son all I'm happy they're doing that yeah that that was great what one was this called this was uhra from SE Nevada it's a it's a goza it's a salt beer guests come with beverages no I'm I'm totally into beer now because cheers dude absolutely into what what got you into beer well the uh I've always been into beer I've always wanted to be doing uh like home brewing and stuff but because the Paleo Market kind of dropped out out my friend owns a bar and he's like hey my bartender is leaving I've been drinking there for like 5 years I was part-time security cuz I still had a guard card and all that um he said hey my weekend bartender is going you know a

135:03lot about beer you know the whole menu here do you want the weekend shift since you're not working paleo if people want to come visit you and stalk you and give you a hard time about the Flat Earth what bar is this oh it's the faculty in East Hollywood at 707 North helot Trope at the corner of helot Trope in Mel up you shill they're coming at you now bring it with Flat Earth knowledge bring it yeah it's like you want to roll in I'm having my birthday party there next Friday the 28th 8m there's no such thing as gravity oh my it is it is a magnetic what they call electromagnetism yeah yeah okay yeah yeah sure um are stickers magnetic oh good point there you go is glass magnetic is plastic I mean come on that's well it's kind of funny like Ray like Ray comfort and KT Cameron and a poor bastard if he could just find a man who loved him could just just come just

135:59come free like you see it coming out of him did that creationist Christmas movie that he had last year um Oh you mean awesome movie like s God's Not Dead is that the one or no no no I'm thinking saving Christmas oh saving Christmas it's like the war on Christmas and Kurt Cameron's going to save it this December oh yeah I think it actually took over Battlefield Earth is one of the worst movies on IMDb or Rotten Tomatoes well I would see how it would be in that category but did you ever see the one that he did about um those Christian novels about the oh the Left Behind series yes yeah wonderful I bought I bought it on VHS it's one of the last VHS tapes that I bought that's rad yeah I own it I own there's two of them I never got through the first one I'm like 45 minutes in the first one my eyes are sweating I'm just my head Shing I remember when those came out like in

136:53bookstores the like the actual book series I was walking by I'm like probably buying like a Neil gaming book or something like that like Comics or some like cool like sci-fi fantasy stuff and I saw that I'm like what Left Behind The Rapture is come there's only a few people left on the planet I'm like that just put it right back on the shelf and kept walking dude the Rapture comes and there's only a few people left so that means that God comes and takes away all the Christians that would leave a lot of people like this idea that it would only be a few people left is kind of yeah but the thing is it's like why is he going to take the Christians if uh you know Jews I'm genetically Jewish I have the the ashkanazi K1 hype uh my because of my mom um aren't we supposed to the chosen people allegedly allegedly like 144,000 of us something like that yeah but once

137:43America came along God changed teams he got super down with that even Ray comfor he decided as an Australian he got got get tight with American Christians so wait is Ray Australian or is Ken both of them are a Ken and Ray right if you ever heard him talk but he it's like really oh no I'm sorry I'm thinking of the atheist nightmare the banana I'm think the other jackass I'm thinking of the other jackass um Kent hovind the one that went into jail for tax evasion yeah yeah he's doct Dr Dino yeah no not happening dude does he have anything to do with that creationist Museum who has something to do with the creation that's K ham that's kenam yeah that's that's Captain ham sandwich himself a wonderful man with some wonderful ideas that creations Museum and the arc I love the ark and I hate to say it okay hey atheist Twitter followers don't roll me for this kenam is smart because

138:38of the way he does his advertising because of the way he does his look at that bigger than imagination that's like okay sure he may be completely you know chewing his own skin off at this point losing money but think of what he did he did a huge debate with Bill Nye and got this going because all of the money that people spent on DVDs and all that went to this dude you can get an annual pass for only 175 bucks that's way cheaper than Disneyland you can go see it all year round you just keep going back and see that same stupid Wooden Boat all the time W goes I like to go to Ren zipes I got a zip I'm on a zipline zipline right off the top of the Noah's Arc right into the manger where the baby Jesus is born that set up at the bottom of the zipline hey hey Ken did Noah have zip lines is that is that how he got all the animals off the ark yes well that's also how Noah

139:37raised funds for his Arc all that wood so where were the dinosaurs on the ark they were butt dinosaurs are gay a lot of people don't know that that's why they all died off yeah uh uh there there was no one was there to breede they were all just doing each other there was a Far Side by Gary Larson one of those little Comics a long long time ago was like the real demise of the dinosaurs they're all smoking there's another one that's uh Noah has a a like a 105 Howitzer mounted on the nose of the arc and firing it at the dinosaur Arc it's like what really happened like stuff like that it's like people make fun of this all the time teach the controversy is a t-shirt deal and it shows I have the shirt it's rad you've got a Triceratops with an ox harness on it and a guy with a plow behind it then you also have the devil burying a dinosaur bonus is teach the controversy they have

140:30a flat Earth One a chemtrail one an Illuminati one they're rad I wonder how much longer that kind of thinking that kind of uh Ray Comfort thinking is going to be around as long as we have YouTube man you think so I mean I think it's just going to get louder it's just going to get louder I think I think not I think this is all this this ability to self-publish and this kind of stuff is all cute and everything but I think it's a it's a step on this inevitable P I think we're on a path of complete Enlightenment I really do I would be rad I think it's going to bypass all of our biological limitations I think technological innovation is going to bypass the biological limitations and we're going to live in some sort of an augmented reality augmented by technology I think we're going to accept that and I think we're going to we're going to dive into that then once that

141:21happens I think slowly but surely just like the difference between what we know today versus what we knew or or people knew 2,000 years ago it's pretty goddamn radical but when you think about 2,000 years in terms of the earth it's nothing right yeah it's no it's it's a blink of an eye yeah it's it's the nanosecond reaction of a neuron firing I mean even just 300 years ago right yeah just think of the time frame between uh the right Brothers first powered flight and landing on the moon and then from landing on the moon to the space shuttle to the ISS now we have vertical Landing Rockets nuke powered Rovers with lasers doing science on a different planet and we have two probes rapidly exiting the solar system the Voyager probes they're gone go from the invention of radio to the internet today I mean it's a blink of an eye a tiny tiny tiny amount of time and massive progress has

142:19been made and you still have these that write make these videos about dinosaurs not being real or write blogs about the Earth being flat but at the end of the day I just feel like that is more dismissed than ever before less less likely to be adopted and I think it's dying I think it's it's you seen like the last blips of ignorance where people are fighting against this is this the death now is this people like boob like going against Neil degrass Ty he's a silly he's a silly man you know I mean he's just a rapper right he doesn't really have to have any real data but I think that that's that's what we're seeing with all this stuff I think we're seeing like the the sort of the last gasps of of ignorance but he has a bunch of people that immediately do that and then a bunch of people go whoa look in contemporary times it seems like it's seems like it's a big deal but

143:09now it's cool to be a conspiracist it's cool to be a conspiracy sheep it's like hip and rad to think the Earth is flat and all that not really you have to be a real to think the Earth is flat 2016 I'm going against them every they're morons well no they're absolutely morons 100% I don't think it's going to last I think a blip I hope not because it's drowning witches one it's exhausting yeah for you because you keep biting into it the thing is again I want to mock them so the people the people listening and the people watching and all that go wow that guy's a jackass it's like it's like the Earth's not flat I I got suckered into it but also I have to admit it I kind of like out trolling the trolls man yeah when right when they come in and you just like set the perfect thing and they come back with something stupid and you just grab them by the back of the

144:10neck and go wham and they're done it's just like you like setting them up with facts yeah I like setting them up and watching them just trip why do you enjoy that so much because they are dumb enough to do it to other people they deserve to have it done to them right narciss too even when they're doing it to other people they're doing it to themselves I like to give them I like to out troll them with with facts and give them just enough rope to hang themselves and completely embarrass themselves and they they do it all the time and then they get all flustered and they block me I did that to The Institute of creation research they got so pissed off they blocked me on Twitter and that was a badge of honor The Institute for creation research what kind of research are they doing like icr.org is the same thing as like Answers in Genesis and all that it's like it's a think tank of

145:00creationist scientists that are the Earth is 6,000 years old there yeah there they are there they are oh the new book of Beginnings a practical guide to understanding Genesis oh and look like the the little dinosaur on it made in his look at this first article magic words can't explain strange fossil Once Upon a Time only a single Italian fossil a crush crush specimen that paleontologists had to reconstruct represented the extinct reptile what is his name osaurus dianosaur now a team of American scientists describe a new drepanosaurus specimen from New Mexico instead of fingers it had a massive Claw on each hand and its curling tail was claw tipped these features have evolutionist scratching their heads over where it came from and why it looks more like a particular living mammal than a reptile well guess what because mammals existed during the time of dinosaurs and you have things like

146:05synapsid and things like therapsids that are mammal to that are reptile to mammal Transitions and you have all of these things that exist that they say don't it looks like a bear and a sheep and a sloth had a gang bang right no it's totally some like right Brian Thomas really he has an MS he's got a master in science Yeah Yeah from where did he get that uh probably from the from icr I think you could get one online no you can I want to get one just so I have to be called a doctor like Bill Cosby was doing a lot of the I know a lot of uh anti homeopath uh Homeopathy people that go and get the Homeopathy certification and like and then go hey look I'm certified too I'm allowed to talk to it and we're now on equal footing and then they just like own the the shaking water sugar pill people oh yeah yeah I'm not talking about like actual like aroma therapy things or

147:03things that actually like uh like single concentrations of arnica that actually can be used as an anti-inflammatory I'm talking like the sugar pill belladon things that you take because your Chi is messed up and you have a pain in your ankle so you get like Pig bladder and belladon together and you're just taking like 40 G of soluble glucose in a sugar pill makes you feel better briefly yeah because you're like whoa and exactly amazing medicine incredible power I feel the spiritual energy cuz all the you know your ADP going on your body is just like hey look we've got food I do yoga so I'm around these people all the time I'm around a lot of these Topanga Canyon hippies wow that believe in all this cooky it's it's hilarious talk to them they just have the bizarre ideas yeah I I've had a couple people come to the bar lately and I'm saying it's like hey my birthday's

147:57soon they're like oh when's your birthday I'm like it's the 27th and they're like oh you're a Scorpio yeah what does that mean I've I've been called a Scorpio before whatever it's like I'm dark and brooding and narcissistic well yeah a little um I'm very vengeful and you know I'm very emotional and things like that all those things seem to be true yeah but all those things seem to be human qualities no no no just for Scorpios just for Scorpios yeah that's it yeah no no P Pisces or like no they're different they're very balanced NASA your zodiac sign is wrong according to science but it was never based on science anyway yes well what is it based on and how the has it been around so long that's what's really incredible about astronomy or astrology rather uh because of the ability for the human brain to look at patterns we see constellations and it's like you it's like the same thing with

148:49con ation the same thing as clouds oh look there's a dinosaur oh wait no now it's turning into an alligator and now it kind of looks like my mom and I'm feeling weird because of that you know I had a good friend of mine who I really respect telling me that astrology is real that he conducts an astrologer before he does anything that's important and he won't do things if the astrologer tells him that could be dangerous or could be problems coming in the future wow yeah and I was talking to him about it and he was like well the astrologer they told me about my past they told me they were right about my parents I go don't you know about your parents yeah don't you know like why would you be excited if someone told you some you already knew how about tell this to tell you some you don't know you know tell them to tell you a lottery ticket tell them to tell

149:31you what's going to happen next Tuesday then believe them otherwise what they're probably doing you is asking you leading questions you're answering them in a way that leads you to believe that they had the information and it's just con man stuff yeah it's cold reading it's mediums it's read all of that there's techniques training in mic Expressions um magicians are excellent at it oh hell yeah man I mean I um a really good friend of mine is uh Misty Lee she's the only female medium at the Magic Castle and she's rad and we were just talking one day and she's like oh yeah I can speak with the dead I can find anything out just by doing that kind of it's like magicians there there's entire books written on this and I've watched I've watched pen and Teller do it I've watched Yuri Geller do it and the whole and it's if you work it enough and magicians have the type of mentality and

150:27patience and discipline to do this over and over and over again shuffling cards a thousand times a day until it's just rote memorization they can do that with cold reading they can do that with predictions they can do that with math tables spoon bending all that stuff they know how to do all that that's easy you get a spoon with a little bit of gallium in it and it melts when as soon as you touch it with your you're yeah gallium gallium it's a metal that actually melts uh with uh your simple body heat really yeah and you make spoons out of it that's the common thing I'm not spoiling any magic tricks so it looks like a spoon that's made out of metal like regular metal but it's actually made out of gallium and you sort of rub it you rub it and it melts and the thing falls apart yeah check it out disappearing spoons okay so this guy's got a spoon doesn't that it looks like a normal do

151:15yourself kit and gallium metable metal available sounds like a regular spoon so that's a thing of hot water oh Jesus the spoon dissolved in the water because it's hot enough it's a it's a it's a low yield temperature this is not an acid it's water melting point of gallium is only 86° Fahrenheit that's incredible yeah what's what's your outer skin body temperature oh 96 so that's incredible so you can take hot water so your fingers you could easily bend that spoon by just rubbing it or it's not even that hot that it would hurt you or if that's an opaque mug if I'm I have a gallium spoon I do that you can't look through the mug mhm the spoon disappears and it melts away W that's yeah that's that's a very simple one and you know bending spoons like that yeah so they just rub it and the gallium just sort of bends mhm or there's a way there's a way to pinch it

152:13between your fingers and start rubbing it and you're actually working it back and forth just a little bit like bending a key mhm when you like we've all done it we've all like rubbed a key and we've watched it start to bend because as you are heating it up it is expanding it's oh is that yeah there's the mold check it out yeah so what's happening here they're making uh they're messing with Gallum you can make a mold of it and then you put it in your freezer eight hours later T wow yeah this is so bizarre yeah this stuff just breaks in your fingers yeah it's neat stuff man what is where is gallium from it's it's it's part of the periodic table it's a existing element in so they find it in dirt and they extract it you can mine it yeah I've lived 49 years I've never heard of gallium until this moment you're welcome just thank you very much you should feel

153:05good about that that's the entire point of your show you learned that's dude that's why I've always been a fan well thank you yeah I mean listen I'm a fan of the show too because it allows me to have these conversations with people I mean I'm saying that I'm not being fous like as a as a person who's in the show like I'm a fan of being able to be able to talk to all these people like you learn about gallium it's cool metal bending spoons there's so many different tricks that magicians use that psychics and all their really sleazy people have been using to steal from people like these goddamn mediums on television that you see that what was that Medium did you ever see that one yeah no what was the big guy the the dude that like had the TV show oh start with an R started like Robert Richard something what was that guy's name he had the same name as somebody else that's famous right yeah

153:58yeah and uh he would use plants and wireless mics and uh audio amplifiers and cold reading to to read his audience um I don't remember oh yeah that's right that's right he had that sci-fi that show on sci-fi like Beyond with whatever his name is what is his name I don't thankfully we have forgotten he has fallen Into Obscurity but that piece of was famous for a long time and people would talk about him all the time yeah he had he started with specials and then he got his own damn show it's like I've done what's his name Jamie James Van p no there was another one it was people right now are screaming it on Twitter yeah probably it's this guy yeah there's a lot of those out there but again just like the Flat Earth people and all this other nonsense I think they're going to exist less less and less in the future you know I think that what we're seeing right now in terms of confirmation bias

155:02I think that's all going to be eradicated because I think what we're dealing with now is very limited mediums of draw of writing things down typing things making videos about things all these things are incredibly Limited in comparison to uh what's coming up you know I've been a um a a follower of um Ray KW for a while and been trying to pay attention to what he predicts and what he's uh what he's thinking is going to be coming down the pipe in 2045 and you look at guys like him and all these uh futurists that are predicting all these emerging Technologies are going to completely change and revamp the way we communicate going into the singularity yeah yeah it's a I think we're on the we're on the verge of a storm uh an innovation storm that's going to render the landscape sh almost unrecognizable I think we're just a decade or two away from just massive massive shifts it

155:55brings me back to you know I'm not a I don't believe that the Mayans were correct that December 21st 2012 was the end of the world but it is fascinating when you see like the Cali yugas and all the different the different um ancient civilizations that predicted cycles and cycles of humanity and it kind of seems like there's something to that like maybe almost like you can kind of predict uh a sort of um a time period where people accumulate a bunch of information makes make life safer for each other but then get soft soft and sort of sloppy because life got safe and then you get lazy and then you know uh all sorts of weird Behavior like that's what we always thought about Rome right we always thought the decadence right and the vomitoriums and you know what a vomitorium really is yeah do you know what it really is it's the the well at least I've always been uh learned that

156:52it's the kind of like the closed in bakanal Festival where you go and you it's a sauna and you eat a bunch and you do the whole thing I'm going to help you out here that's not what a vomitorium is what a vomitorium is is actually the the the passageway between a large Arena and the stands so the way people leave they would leave that's a vomitorium but the name of it led people to infer that these that's a vomitorium so it led people to infer that oh that was a place they would go to throw up but no totally owned on that right on thank you but it's one it's one that I thought too and then you know you always connect that to ancient Rome and uh I went to the Vatican I went to uh Rome this past summer and I went to the Coliseum and go it's dope dude it's dop the Vatican is the dopest I've ever seen in my life it's so insanely massive and spectacular and the

157:48the construction is just so mindblowing the fact that they did all this without power tools they did all over the course of hundreds of years they built these amazing massive structures I did the same thing in Israel uh couple years ago like like going to Jerusalem and seeing holy this is like Herod built this wow and going to Mada and all that it was trippy as dude I can only imagine it's like and walking through the different quarter uh uh you know the different quarters in Jerusalem and everything and almost walk up the wrong stairs in the Muslim quarter to get to the uh Dome on the Rock I didn't know where I was this big dude's like you're not Muslim you're not going there I'm like oh W so you you could go the wrong way and you can't go if you're a Muslim unless you're a Muslim unless you're a Muslim yeah because the the the Dome on the rock where the mosque and

158:36everything is is for Muslims only they only open it I think one day a year very briefly for people to come like take a picture of the outside occasionally film Crews can go in there but that's about it and it's like unless you are devout Muslim can't go in there and because it's a very holy sight for them and but going there like going and seeing uh like uh uh the Stations of the Cross and the Church of the Holy Seiler and all that it was trippy I'm not an I'm not religious I'm not an atheist or anything like that I'm just I'm I'm a scientist I'm an apatheist i it's a absolutely the religious aspect and spiritual aspect to me is completely irrelevant if there's you cannot prove nor deny that there is any kind of you know outside force or you know three being and all of that I don't I honestly don't give a uh if I die and all of a sudden it's like oops sorry okay you

159:30know I admit I was wrong send me to Hell sorry I don't care don't you think that God would be like hey man you didn't know but I mean I've always been honest about that because people are like you're an atheist I'm like actually no I'm not sorry yeah an atheist has to have a belief that there's no God you have to you have to believe there's that's like there's you don't you you don't know if there's no God because you've never experienced death you don't know if there's no after life because you've never experienced it the the the the there's no evidence that it exists yeah the the the defin I know a lot of atheists that use the definition that you have agnosticism and you have atheism agnosticism is the knowledge atheism is the empirical data so an atheist knows there is no God and disbelieves all God the only difference between a a aist and a Christian is that

160:20the atheist disbelieves one more than the Christian CU if you think about it because Christians disbel scientologists they disbelieve the Moonies they dis the unitarians all of that so an agnostic is lacking knowledge you don't you you don't really know it's like okay well I've seen some things I haven't seen other things that kind of deal I remove myself from that and uh the hardcore atheist Community has tried to grasp apatheism as oh it's practical atheism so you don't bother you don't care and it's like no we don't care cuz it's a waste of time yeah I had an argument with a guy on Twitter once was it Twitter one of those things where he was um he was saying why don't you just come out as an atheist I'm like well why do you care why why do you care why do you want me to say there's no God why would you want me to say that first of all I don't know

161:12and I've said I don't know and you don't know either so why you telling me that I should say that I know right but you don't know this is this is crazy talk but it's one of those goddamn things where people want you to be on their team yeah absolutely it's like oh hey cool we have a celebrity endorsement that's exactly what it is it's exactly what it is Joe Rogan said he was an atheist so all the atheists go yay I'm a part of the atheist Society we get together right right like that's happened with the Skeptics there used to be these skeptic societies and then they got weird and then they got all social justice Warrior e and then they started accusing each other of raping each other they were having sex while they were drunk and it all got Madness a lot of us Fallen apart and a bunch of people won't go to their events anymore because they were accused of impropriety and and then

161:58you have new ones like in uh uh uh across the pond you've got like qedcon and stuff like that they're actually doing it like the old school it's like a bunch of people are meeting up and talking about things and they have panels and they have like zero tolerance uh law you know Zero Tolerance rules for the convention stuff like that and that's R zero tolerance for what uh for like sexual harassment or anything like no means no it's consent laws or consent guidelines and all that and it's really cool um but do they need that at conferences isn't that just common human nature they needed they needed some well it is and a majority of people should know that but then we have you know rape advocating that run for president um so he's into grabbing but still rape advocation he's absolutely advocating the abuse and rape but it's locker room talk you understand

162:47I've been in a locker room I played hockey I played football I played Tenn Ain never been in a locker rooms first of all no no he has not and it it's like yeah it's absolute just R but so like there's a big thing um every year I'm uh I'm a guest at uh Dragon Con it's a pop culture Con in Atlanta right and because it's all fan run they have different uh programming tracks the I go talk on the science track you know talk about beer and cooking or dinosaurs or uh two years ago ripped apart Jurassic World stuff like that you didn't like Jurassic world no but dude the people that you loved made it to the end and lived that's the best part about the movie that Chris guy and the beautiful girl I knew they were going to make it was a really bad monster horror film good cuz the little kids didn't die either those kids made it are their parents back together the dinosaurs were running

163:41after the kids and the kids got away from the dinosaurs and survived that's a good movie they hid behind the Jeep good job there dinur didn't get him even though he smelled them you can't hold a smile on that you cannot hold character on that good good movie first of all what's that guy's name Chris uh Pratt Pratt he's a beautiful man I'm happy he lived and the girl they wound up be being boyfriend and girlfriend at the end of the movie so it's a good movie who saw that coming who saw the beautiful man and the beautiful girl getting together at the endway through the movie when they oh there was animosity at the beginning but no they joked about that they went on a date before so of course you know the stressful situ look at look at speed plusy he said I didn't move watch that movie didn't have any dinosaurs in it but the But Dinosaurs don't exist they're only in movies I'm I love how

164:27that super intelligent dinosaur crushes that little thing that they're in but they manag to slip out the bottom and the dinosaur doesn't see and then they run off spoiler alert spoiler alert these little kids with tiny little stubby shitty human legs can outrun a dinosaur the size of a building size of a five-story building this thing scream scaming and tearing trees apart and he's on a death run to get at these little kids for some reason yeah with all the other dinosaurs and eat with his gigantic head he just wants to eat these little tiny people that are barely a snack right right it's like you chasing after an ant like that that ant I need it that one right there that yeah that was a good movie good movie it was good at the end too where all the pterodactyls came in and pick people up uh yeah and Jimmy Buffett with the Cameo running away Jimmy Buffett was in there

165:18yeah so they Jimmy Buffett's Margaritaville oh as as a stand at the thing when the uh when the dimorphodons and the horrible dimorphodons and the really shitty uh pteranodons come out wait a minute you are we seeing the same movie yeah they can't lift people up I'm sorry what look it's my job I can't go to a movie like that and use plausible deniability pterodactyl what's the pterodactyl then the pterodactyl is a species of pteranodon okay so those pteranodons that were that was wrong they can't pick people up no they weigh less than most people how much they weigh uh maybe somewhere around the small ones like 75 lb and they don't have the the foot strength they have the foot strength in order to hold their body up thrust the weight ratio man they can't reach down they don't have the the grip to an eagle that can grab a salmon no no no no different sort of build

166:09totally different build oh they got they got by Evolution yeah did they have feathers those uh possibly um okay now I have to say a couple things in world were kind of cool like Chris Pat's face no um I liked him more how about his girlfriend's face okay now Bryce D Dallas Howard Bryce ell kind of hot she's even beautiful kind of hot what do you have high standards you well no she's who are you no she's even hotter in the Martian I have to say oh the absolutely beautiful in the mar when is she in the Martian she's the commander of the Aries 4 Mission AR Mission they they they went crazy science fiction they have a chicken control let's just let's just go complete f to go off the deep end make it totally unbelievable that's not cool social justice Warrior interesting Trevor has a little bit of it in um that okay about that term social justice Warrior yeah it's a

167:03wonderful term it can also be used for the opposite the people that are going for no political correctness the people that are going all that they want social justice on their side they are also social justice Warriors I guess they looking for their stick that's call white people honkies it doesn't hurt if you call if you call someone who mocks social justice Warriors a social justice Warrior too because you're trying to you're trying to eliminate all political correctness you're a social justice War they're like okay whatever dude no I I have and it's pissed them off I bet you have it has piss you think it's pissed them off oh no they people just like to argue man you can piss people off by calling them a a ninny you stupid ninny no oh god there was one one guy I called a chump and he was like you wouldn't say that to my face I'm like CH yeah I would chump is a

167:55god what was what was his Twitter handle I don't remember any no need to call him out by his TT Twitter handle no well I don't remember it anyway but he's is uh it's really kind of nocuous right yeah somebody called me a Chomp I'll be like all right man I'll let you have that we'll just end this yeah right oh yeah you oh yeah you're a chump all right we're good we just leave it alone you call me CHP if you're happy with chump I'll it's like you're not calling like a mentally bereft Muppet or you know some kind of like just like well see you like to get very Bose with your you like to go deep with your education I have I have a pretty decent vocabulary you're paleontologist I get it you know use what you got right right yeah see some dudes just chump is where they draw the line that fck no he got mad and then he tried to goes like Oh no I was laughing at him like no you

168:46weren't dude you're moving the goal post come on people do get really upset at just really innocuous words yeah they choose they have words they choose where they decide but none of them ever stick on white people that's the amazing thing there's never been a single racial slur that stuck on white people yeah there has well name one name one what can you call us uh I even hate saying them but um there's Come On Son give me uh hit me with it slur against Jewish people no white people not Jews not Jews in specific but that's they're still white sort of uh White Anglo-Saxon Protestants wasps that doesn't hurt anybody the laugh while they using their credit cards like ha serious slur back in the day back before people could read they realize how stupid it was listen wasp ain't dude that doesn't hurt nobody you can't you can't come up with that well one's

169:48one that is sticking right now and I'm kind of glad it is it's white privilege that doesn't stick yeah that's sticking that's sticking harsh and I totally agree the wrong crowd Trevor I'm hang out with smart people man cuz if White Privilege hurts them if you say that and they how dare no those are not people I hang out with oh no no I'm but watching the reaction of people it's like yeah I'm sorry White Privilege is totally a thing it's absolutely a thing it is documented it is proven there's institutional racism is 100% fact well what white white privilege is is sort of the lack of racism against white people and it highlights racism against other people so what white privilege really is is how everybody should sort of be treated everybody should be treated like they're not a criminal waiting to be discovered exactly right but that's not really a privilege for white people what it does

170:43is it highlights that there's racism against people who aren't white so like to say that white people are somehow are at fault because there is a racist bias against people who are brown or black or Asian or or what have you it really kind of like shifts the blame in a kind of a weird way in my opinion I mean I think it's a real thing for sure but I think really what we should concentrate on instead of concentrating on like getting white people to cow toow and and to uh to bow down to the fact they have privilege to just eliminate racism from the world which I think is an entire a possible thing in our lifetimes it's totally possible but the problem with that is we have to come to terms with being privileged we have to come to terms with we come to terms yeah we have to you know people have to understand that yes because you are white you are privileged because you are white you

171:37will not get pulled over as much you will not get shot as much we have to come to terms with that in what way because we're the ones doing the institutional racism we well not we we're not doing someone is someone but who are these people that are doing that right police officers yes right sure Poli off police officers politicians we have an issue with police officers first of all because I don't think I think there's almost no one who is qualified to believe be a police officer I think it's an insanely difficult job that we just assume people can handle and I think it's a chaotic ridiculous amount of pressure that these people have to endure on a daily basis they're pulling people over they have no idea they're going to be shot they see every day they see people getting shot and accidents and murders and domestic violence and chaos and I don't think people are psychologically able to

172:27handle that I think we think of it as a job very few absolutely very few we think of it as a job the same way we think of camera repair and you know someone who builds cars it is not it's not a job it's an incredibly difficult psychological Endeavor to try to take on the task of being the the the voice of the law or the arm of the law and to go out and to treat people with respect and dignity and not be terrified at every traffic stop that's that's a big problem a big problem and there's also the problem with the communities that we've allowed these terribly uh disenfranchised and in impoverished communities to stay exactly the way they are without pumping federal funds into them without trying to clean them up without trying to figure out a way to elevate people in these areas we want them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and without doing it with gentrification

173:18without going in there because hey that's where the rent is currently cheap and taking over those areas and forcing out lower rent families that can't make enough money it's like the house that's like a sneaky thing that people do like real estate people they do but they do it but not all not all just real estate people do it people do it like looking for apartment buildings and all that it's like it's it's that's a very real thing and if more people with more money move into an area rents go higher it's this is statistical and then those people that are on you know uh assisted funding or people that have limited access to funds because of jobs and all that they get pushed out of those areas and they create concentrated areas of very low middle class to low class poverty food deserts horrible places and everybody just turns a Blind Eye to it well people are

174:14busy with their own lives that's really what what it is most people don't have the the resources or the wherewithal to do anything to have an impact on these impoverished communities they have their own credit card debt debt but they can at least understand that that is going on that okay you understand it and I understand it but how's that helping those people that's a very good question give me a second so I don't sound like a ranting idiot we understand first of all congratulations for taking a pause CU most people don't most people they just they just keep plowing through they don't go well it was something like think this like up you know on Eric Dubay that that's just I know you're still angry I trolled you totally totally I will get my revenge I knew I knew before this podcast oh my God that's in my back pocket I'm going to have to bring out that video at one point in

175:07time I want to watch him watch you get beat red right we know that is true is it affecting us possibly can it affect the human race as a whole 100% yes because of that because of the reach you have I don't nearly have the reach you have but because of the reach you have and you you have that reach right now I have that absolutely right now but this is like what twice in two years come on you do this five times a week but the numbers that this podcast will reach in comparison to the numbers that reached two years ago dude you're going to hit millions of people right now well then that's great what you're saying well then what they need to do is they need to understand and yes this isn't like you know a send money to Africa thing and all that yes there's horrible po poverty in the world there's horrible food shortages in the world and all of that but you also have to think

175:57about what is happening specifically in your community We Are One species we are Homo sapiens sapien it's our job because we're affecting the planet to also fix because we live here this is our current home this is the only one we have we have overpopulation problems we have food problems and all that start small fix your Community by simply saying hi to your neighbor if somebody is St if you're in a crowded apartment building and you know you have a person like struggling with with groceries why not offer to help because then that chick's going to worried you're going to rape her you're going to follow her into her apartment and no just to put him in the elevator and put them out the elev something simple as that that would be nice I have an idea how about people actually bother bother to merge correctly on freeways or to not you know not cut people off at the last section

176:55think about what your actions are doing think cognitively on what that is happening what's causing that all of you that cut in at the last time to get around traffic guess what you're causing the traffic this is simple physics I don't think this is going to help poor people but no it but it's not but it's not what's on Jamie there's actually an article came out I think this week that says that that helps traffic I don't know if it's it's probably a scientific study but people cutting people off helps traffic not cutting people off but the people that merg in last second last second mergers improve traffic how is that possible cuz everyone science science it's impossible but everything backs up behind them you so maybe not if they're good they know what they're doing zip in they got a little Miata or something like that my challenge is 16t long a big car I love those cars it's right out

177:46there those are fun trade you just me no anyway but helping so do I um helping in your community is simple so like the place I work right now the faculty we're a neighborhood bar we're nice to people in the neighborhood we make we make deals with the local business owners we talk about the neighborhood we try and drive crime out we try and do all that kind of thing uh my owner owns two shops on that block we're trying to revitalize the block we're not trying to gentrify it we're not trying to like bring in the hipsters from Silver Lake and all that why what's wrong with the hipsters don't get me started but they look like you they have like yellow beards and they wear weird clothes no they have tattoos I don't have skinny jeans dude come on look at me but you're a big fella I'm a big fell if you're a little fella you might have skinny jeans no I wouldn't I wouldn't do that I'm not

178:35doing that what's wrong with the hipsters I just I be it's it's the it's the pomposity of hipsters that bother I'm not not all I love that you use pomposity yeah not all hipsters # not all hipsters um # yesall women # notall hipsters um there are a select few that are the stereotypical hipster of like you know it's like oh you know I liked them before they were cool and like that yeah they have vinyl I would to listen to vinyl in my car record player in their Prius God oh wow that's a stupid image man you know it's happened there was a record player that they came up with for cars in the 1950s I want to say was that before speed bumps were invented no man I it didn't work but there was record player for cars a long time ago I'm trying to remember oh there it is look at this Chrysler did eventually add an option to play 45 RPM records on the highway high five but perhaps that

179:47choice came too late in 1960 a much cheaper car record player was offered as a Chrysler option to come on the market the RCA Victor Auto victrola it cost $51 would be $410 today and you can play your own 45s on it way to go Mopar wow powerful Mopar yeah that's look at this thing man that's awesome this is pretty dope but you know obviously you got to drive real slow and hit no bumps and probably got super annoying but look how works man it's crazy that's badass yeah you pick up the record player you slide it in there and it literally that's a stack it's like it's like an early CD changer yeah he's got like that's what they used to do people don't remember that but the needles used to lift up and they would take the next record and drop it down and play the next one that was so cool back then oh yeah we'd stack a bunch of Records on top of each other much better would it

180:45read off that if it's reading the the bot bottom the weight right oh hey yeah good idea and if there's any any kind of shock absorption there that would be play it see if we can hear anything that car's sitting still though he not moving yeah 61 toodo that song makes me want to kill myself something about that old music that reminds me of like Grandma's house like right before she died you're like oh it's depressing in here and on that note let's wrap this up and bring it home Trevor right on thank you brother there was really we got to do this more often than every two years yeah right absolutely it's like all those text messages back and forth come on we can do this all the time we do this dude I'm local you're local we can make this happen yeah and and next time when you're at the place across the street from where I am come the over oh yeah that's right I was at the

181:34haha Cafe and I was at Tikki no what's Tikki no Tikki no is a badass uh Tikki bar in North Hollywood it's right there on L you go to a lot of bars fell huh kind of a boozer a little bit a little bit functional alcoholics yeah Che cheers on that thank you again all right uh tattoos and Bones on Twitter if you want to yell at them for being a flat Earth shill or round earth shill rather oh people are already doing it they're like you should call him out on his fatness he's not healthy stuff like that no don't read that out loud for sure you feeding the trolls now they have data hey Nick Droid David Jennings you all right ladies and gentlemen we'll be back tomorrow with Duncan Trussell see you