Phil Demers

00:00was the correct pronunciation of your last name Demers Demmer Demmer Demmer Works yes and we're live second podcast of 2016 Phil how you feel about that I'm ecstatic Joe I can't even like begin to thank you for this honestly if it wasn't for uh my having been on this podcast two years ago and returning now in a very timely manner I think I'd be uh a fish dead Out of Water true what do you mean well in terms of the cause that I sort of represent and uh all the multiple lawsuits that are levied against uh all the animal activists that you know that I'm amongst well let's explain to everybody who is uh unfamiliar you uh had a lawsuit with uh Marine World you used to work for Marine World Mar marine land excuse me which is like SeaWorld for Canada something like that a type of thing a type of SeaWorld right SeaWorld's a a day at the spa for animals compared to Marin land but yeah

00:53really oh yeah it's that much worse significantly worse W so um you worked for them um you uh were released from your job fired as it were I quit uh voluntarily I quit amidst a uh did they say you were fired no no no everybody admits you quit I never gave them the opportunity to fire me I I made the first going to I think that that that's the inclination I had at the time but you you were a trainer and you uh I think you opened up a lot of people's eyes to it um this is this is actually pre- Blackfish right this was pre- Blackfish yeah you came on I I I ate um pot candy and uh was in Hawaii once like many years ago and I had an experience with dolphins where uh uh these Dolphins were we were fishing and these Dolphins were coming by the boat they were jumping and playing with us and uh I remember thinking like these are they might as well be people they

01:51might as well be like water people or something these are just it's something weird about this like they're they're enjoying playing with us like as we yell to them they do more stuff like they came by and they were jumping and they they were clearly looking at us when they jumped through the water and I'd never went been to SeaWorld before because I had seen some documentaries on dolphins and I knew they were really smart and I'd seen some documentaries on Orcas as well and it just always seemed really up to me that they make him stay in these uh swimming pools but when you came on the podcast two years ago and illuminated what it's like behind the scenes at least at marine land it was horrific man and I I got a lot of tweets from people um and Facebook messages that said they would never go to SeaWorld or marine land again and then they realized really

02:37really what it was then the documentary Blackfish came out and the whole world was sort of forced to take a look at this and and understand that these animals are super intelligent just because they can't manipulate things just because they can't pick things up and they can't write their name they can't send you an email in their environment that's unnecessary in their environment they're in the the natural world they're moving through 3D space in the water they have free food and fish they have a huge community of fellow orcas and fellow dolphins and they communicate with each other through a very complex language that we barely understand they have a language not like like monkeys go oooo and the other monkey goes ah like kind of a language no they have a complex language with dialects they might as well be water people they've already evolved to be the top predator of the sea so

03:31there's no need for them to learn to email they have no use for it so they've they're already the the absolute top predators of the sea yeah that's a way to look at it right like we have this kind of view of our position being the top I mean we're kind of the top predator but we're only the top predator because of our minds because we figured out how to manipulate things they have huge minds they have incredible brains and then they're also they eat everything they want then they don't need to evolve any fur they've sort of mastered their domain and they're amazingly adaptable they evolve in every which capacity to um to be able to to to adjust to you know the everchanging world um killer whales now uh I recently watched the documentary and uh on account of the melting ice in the Arctic in the summer there's there's you know the ice flows are receding they're becoming smaller and smaller

04:22every year so now orcas are now going into territories that they' never had before and the Inuit have documented that they've seen orcas actually hunt bow whales which are 50 ton larger than an orca itself and what they do is they they isolate the animal they bite their uh their their fins they hold them underwater while another Orca goes on top of their blo hole to try to drown it I mean this is amazing adapting wow yeah Jesus Christ well that's where they got their name killer whales from killing whales exactly a lot of people think they're a type of whale they're actually a cousin to a dolphin mhm that's right they're they're Dolphins they're just the largest dolphin in the dolphin family they just they eat dolphins too which is kind of up killer whales humans eat monkeys unpronounced to most killer whales are um and you have to I mean you have to sort of

05:10disassociate things uh you have to sort of draw a line between killer whale being cute and loving and just how if you want to use the word sadistic they are they are evil evil evil in the way that they hunt and kill they are merciless you know well we have this idea of Earth you know being like the smart things are supposed to be compassionate and we're supposed to be the stewards of the land and take care of the little chipmunks and all the other animals but just cuz we're so far ahead of all the other animals that we kind of that's how that's you know we we kind of feel bad and the way we treat each other we want to kind of treat other animals that way which is why you know animal rights organizations and all these these these people that really really love and care about animals that's where they sort of come under Fire because they they want people

05:59people to treat animals different than animals treat animals so animals are mean as to each other and that's just the way of the world one of the videos that stood out for me and actually was like a sort of a wakeup call for me was just how was how nasty nature is and it was a video that you actually shared and it was of a bear taking down a deer and so that dude's yard yeah and that guy's backyard I mean that's tough to watch right it is it was screaming the deer was screaming the bear was just eating it like ferociously well that's the thing about bears as opposed to cats when a cat gets a deer they go right for the neck and they kill it pretty quick because that's all they do but bears do a lot of thing they eat berries and roots and plants so they don't always kill things a matter of fact they probably eat more plant matter than they do animal matter so when they

06:50kill things they basically just hold these things down and start eating it's a question of opportunity I guess if it arises they're hungry well they eat a lot of fawns that's a big issue in Canada where you're from sir that's right um they eat a lot of moose um like moose calves and uh deer fawns they eat them like as they're coming out they actually smell the placenta and like the you know the all the stuff that surrounds the baby and they'll find these moose as they're giving birth and just literally pull them right out of their body up you know I'm an animal rights activist by uh I suppose that's this the the label that I've been given but I should mention that uh there are a lot of animal rights activists that owe you a great deal of credit for uh for your sort of your I want to use an your sort of advocacy despite the fact that there are there's a stark line between those who

07:47believe in you know not killing animals and everything else but then there are also other people that can appreciate how nature operates Predator prey relationship and can also appreciate that you know at least in what you've in what you've said before uh you yourself are opposed to the Captivity of animals I mean you the last time we were on you mentioned of going to a zoo and and maybe eating a pot cookie and you know having a look at the monkeys and being like you know you're throwing bows through animals and and and I very much respect the fact that the way that you hunt and the way that you eat is uh and the kill what you eat movement or whatever you want to call it and and as an animal rights activist I can say that that is a far more responsible way than you know when to take a look at the factory farming things and whatnot but um uh I forget I forget the point I

08:31was making well I know what you're saying that it sort of almost would seem like I'd be uh against them in some sort of a way because I eat meat but the re the reality is a lot of animal rights activists have cats man and they feed their cats cat food and guess what that ain't grown on a cat food tree you know there's there's a reality to the world and cats are brutal cats are vicious little and they need protein and if you have a cat and I have two of them I love them they're awesome they come cuddle with me when I'm watching TV on any given day I've got five cats uh three that I claim as my own two that just sort of come and go at will wild cats uh well one is one neighbor sort of I would say that he sort of neglected it in in terms of how you care for a domestic cat um and when he moved away he said look you know you you take care of this cat which I did on on my second

09:18level balcony I built this thing I called the Taj mcky it was this place where the cat could come live in in the winter right and it's real cold and uh so he said you know do you want to keep this cat sure so I got it fixed and whatnot and he likes to show his gratitude by bringing us uh baby rabbits if you've ever seen a baby rabbit the cutest thing in the world and he maliciously licks them down to the point of just chewing them until the sound stops and leaving them as gifts and and you can't help but love Eugene I mean Eugene is the is a amazing and loving cat he's also a just a coldblooded killer that's why they're alive we don't want to think about it that way but animals today that are alive today in 2016 are alive cuz their ancestors especially Predators like cats were vicious they were vicious and ruthless and they made sure they killed everything they could because if you

10:10don't kill that little baby rabbit there might not be anything left for you to eat that day and you might starve or you might be too weak to get away from something that wants to kill you exactly you might be too weak to get away from a wolf or you might be you know it's we we have a beautiful situation we go to the store we buy food that someone else killed for us and we can get it every time it's not like a rare thing like you have to wait for it or you have to put in a lot of effort to get it throughout human history it's always been difficult to acquire food until recently recently it's become so ridiculous you don't need have to get out of your car to eat you literally pull into a drive-thru you hand these people paper within seconds they hand you already cooked meat in a sandwich a ground beef sandwich you put it on your seat they give you a glass of liquid sweet

11:04you stick that in your little cup holder and you're eating that's insane never before in human history has that happened and that lack of effort and lack of connection has bred uh a lot of people that have a really distorted understanding of life itself a really distorted understanding of what it takes to make a ground beef sandwich you know if you want to raise a cow yourself and go through that whole thing thing I have a few friends that do it I have U my good friend Doug in Wisconsin he grows his own cows they're all grass-fed and he he'll you know he gave me some some meat from it last time I was there and he does it all himself he shoots him himself I mean he does the whole deed he butchers him he hangs him the whole deed and that guy understands what it takes to make a ground beef sandwich but most of us it's pull into that drive-thru I think it's a privileged perspective it's

11:57people that have never had to do anything like that put any effort in uh in raising their food I have friends that are are farmers and it's the same story and they love and respect their animals through and through but at the end of the day they it becomes a stake it sounds like a contradiction right you know loving your animal but killing it I think in defense of anyone that likes to call out hypocrisy is that you have to take a look at the fact that there's hypocrisy in absolutely everything you do I mean the fact alone that and I'm going to use vegans as an example um if you if you're going to look at what what an abomination of nature is really the functions of society as a whole a city the a city a physical city is an abomination of nature yeah so if you're a vegan and you're for instance uh renting an apartment and driving a car immediately there's hypocrisy in that

12:38and then this is not me calling out the idea of living a a compassionate life or propagating that I think that's fine I think it's great i' encourage that I think the world needs more compassion but uh it's the Judgment right it's the Judgment I think uh when when you start looking from the perspective of someone who's privileged then yeah the Judgment but I mean the Judgment comes I think a lot of it it comes from a real play where people are like this factory farming people who eat meat you know they they get angry you know they love animals but it's just so hilarious when you have a cat that's feasting on a multitude of animals that have been uh yeah raised in captivity all of them mean the way they raise animals when you you're buying cat food man you're buying like the worst treated animals ever I've never even heard of like ethically sourc cat food I'm sure

13:27it exists I'm sure I haven't heard about about it but even ethically sourced cat food whatever man it's murder if you feed your cats plants and there are people who do that they they have organ failure they get heart attacks they die they can't live but there's a lot of people there's a whole I found these people because I found these people because they're hating on me after my last uh Comedy Central special where I did this bit about vegans so uh whenever people get really mad at me I like to go to their Twitter page and read what they're into so I go these people's Twitter page and I found out that there's a whole vegan cat Forum vegan cat owners and you know # crueltyfree and these they they feed their cats plants and they don't live long they die I'd like to have a conversation with those cats I mean it would be nice if we could brid that language barrier

14:17oh yeah if you rolled a mouse by one of those cats they would dive on it like a like a Dr like a man in the ocean that just finally got to land it's a feast yeah like if you just you barely made it to Shore that feeling that you get when you get to land I think this there's there's a line there's a line in in all advocacy where how far are you willing to go and it's a question of really it's a question of how willing are you to sacrifice I I lived in South Korea for a while and this is a country that was leveled back in the like mid-50s they had to rebuild from essentially nothing and so I saw uh I mean I Saw pig heads being served up on the side of roads but I can appreciate that these people had suffered so much so that they had to eat everything that was available to them I don't want to sit here and defend that you know okay so South Koreans are eating dogs and whatnot and you know

15:05it's symbolic of their history and whatnot but if you've got nothing left to eat I'd like to see how quickly your uh your ethics change right if you truly if you are truly suffering and a dog I love dogs I have two dogs but let's be honest about what a dog is a dog is a little captive pet they're your buddies because you feed them and you take care of them and you have this relationship with them and you have this agreement with them but if you ran into a wild dog there was a couple an elderly couple I want to say like maybe seven or eight years ago that was killed by a pack of wild dogs in Georgia Georgia United States Atlanta you know that area like what the man like dogs will kill you if they don't have any food if you if you think that they're like Old Yeller or Lassie or some no what they are is exactly how you treat them from birth if you get a puppy like

15:58uh my dog Johnny I have a dog named Johnny Cash he's the sweetest dog of all time he is so nice he's just so gentle he's just he's a Mastiff and he's just so friendly he just like anybody that comes over I never worry about him barking at them or if he barks it's like hey man come play with me you know and when you go up to him you're like what's up dude and he's always like super happy and super sweet but it's because I've had him from the time he was a baby and the guy who bred him um he he's always been like really ethical about how he breeds these dogs and they're very smart and kind but it's because of the relationship that I had with him he knows I'm the daddy I give him the food I give him the love you know it's all this this agreement it's part of their Revolution I mean they're they're physically cute on account of the fact that we selectively bred them through

16:44through and they themselves learned that hey if I'm like really docile and cute and look with these big puppy dogs eyes I get more food and I get a better place to live and get more warm a warmer shelter and I'm not likely to wind up in the backyard in winter you know well there was actually a Radio Lab um podcast it was absolutely fascinating on raising foxes and they raised foxes is it yeah you say foxes right it's not like deer I think so right I'm not going to correct you I'm I'm agreeing with Goofy seems like fishes foxes fishes word fish fishes is an acceptable word if I'm not mistaken yeah but you can use the word fishes really I thought there was a large debate about this and this was figured out back in the mid 90s I swear this is part of my my recollection you might be right I don't know um but anyway the Radio Lab about foxes they selectively bred foxes based on their

17:30behavior um based on whether or not they were aggressive and the ones that were aggressive they killed and the ones that reacted a certain way I don't remember the ACT actual uh parameters that they set but ultimately what it was and if you're into this Google it because I don't remember the the name of the episode but it was amazing within a few Generations like within less than 10 years they had completely changed what these foxes looked like their ears had become droopy their jaws had become become less pronounced and smaller their behavior was markedly different they literally were almost a different species and it was in within 10 years things adapt and change and that's the reverse to that is and I think I heard it on your podcast is that if you were to release a wild or rather a pig and then it eventually starts growing hair again and like maybe protruding some

18:19Tusk six weeks yeah within six weeks like a month of a pig living in the wild and all of a sudden their hair starts growing thicker and longer they no extends their tusks grow larger they become a different thing they literally start to met they they start to adapt to the the the the the physical shape of a wild pig like have you ever been around wild pigs you SE wild pigs no not it's they're really interesting first of all they're all they're a lot of them are black they're like a dark dark color and I'm not even talking about bores I'm talking well we think of boore what is boore is actually the the term for a male Pig okay so when you when people go to a menu and it says wild boar sausage is it really how do you know it's not a wild girl you know it might be a s like the word bore it's a it's an ignorant terminology but then there's these Russian bores is a different type of

19:14boore that lives in other countries I don't know exactly what the genus is what the name is it but the crazy thing is they're all interchangeable they're all they can all breed with each other they're all the same thing ultimately they're sort of yeah do are cross bre all the time to sort of like pull out the uh uh the the advantages that we're looking for when we're breeding them I know you can make a I know they they were breeding I and I don't know I can't remember where now but uh they were selectively breeding this Hunter of a dog and they just made this Mammoth machine but also a doile docile and trusted creature so I wish I I wish I remembered where where I read that yeah they um I mean it's it's amazing that dogs are a lot like people in that way that there's a lot of different variations of people you know I mean you've got Shaquille O'Neal and then

20:01you've got U you know Natasha lerro right little tiny Natasha she's a comedian okay she's like 100 pounds but you know there's people vary almost as much as dogs do in that sense you know we're we're all sorts of different shapes and looks and but my point being wild animals like a feral cat I've had feral cats before I had a feral cat and he was nuts oh God could you actually get near him I could only me like literally only me no one else could get near him he would hiss and run away he would his at me half the time but if I approached him real slow but once I picked him up oh my God he would start purring like crazy the fact alone that you got close enough to be able to pick him up is uh is is pretty rare well what I did was I tamed him in a it was a weird way my friend Laney um her boyfriend and her lived in this apartment and they had um down below I

20:55went to high school with her and down below their apartment they um found a cat that had given birth to a litter a wild and this is like Santa Monica so they're like oh my God what do we going to do so they decided to capture these cats and try to get them home so me like the that I am I said all right I'll take it so I took one of them I brought him home and he was so I thought ah he's a kitten I'll bring him home hang out with my cat everything will be cool NOP I had two cats at the time and uh he was so different than them he was like he looked you just hiss and jump up five six feet in the air fundamentally different right oh my God he was so scared of everything he was terrified it was everything was a legitimate life or death struggle so uh I did the internet wasn't around back then so I was trying to figure out like okay how the do I do this I got to

21:45get to to know this little dude so yeah I food and I what I did was I uh took this room in my house I put a bed in there it's like a guest room S I already had a bed in there but uh I decided is going to be my room now so uh I closed myself in there put a litter box in there brought some books in and I hung out with this cat for 2 days you're a brave dude man I've seen I've seen cats attack humans and it's violent man yeah but he was a kitten it was a baby okay it was a baby I would have never done this with a full-blown cat you can't you can't a full-blown cat you just you can't train him no it's over he was only he was a little tiny thing so what I did was uh I would I would pet him and he Pur like crazy and then when I put him down he would hiss at me and run away like he was so up and I mean he would jump he would he up my curtains jump through the air and

22:34grabbed the curtains and like like trying to climb them and it was like out of control I like dude I was just petting you a few seconds ago but the life or death struggle that these things were involved in even whatever he got from his mom and his dad like the genes that were passed down those are genes of wild animals that were really scared of everything and trying to survive so he thought he was about to get eaten yeah but he became my little buddy yeah took a while was was there an element of you that sort of loved the fact that he was badass and scratching your curtains and or you like no hate it it was fascinating it was like like I'm I'm a big fan of just the idea of wildlife you know I think we live in cities and living in cities and driving cars and sleeping in nice houses and you know having a yard it's probably as close to a lot of people get to Nature on a daily basis is

23:28they got a tree and some grass in their yard when you're out in wild and you see Wild nature one of the most fascinating things about hunting is not just the the pursuit of an animal that you're going to eat but it's also spending a lot of time out there in the real wild like the real wild where a elk lives you know and where a thousand pound animal lives its life with trees growing out of its head and wanders through the forest and couple weeks a month out of the year gets to and the rest of the time it's just running from danger and eating yeah fighting it's massively interesting doesn't have the slightest CL of of the modern world you know couldn't care less all it cares about is doing what it naturally does to stay alive and that's really where animals should be yeah I mean that's the premise of uh of of what we're sort of uh dealing with but it's

24:20just so fascinating when they're there I'm I encourage everybody I mean zoos are man they're they give you a stupid idea of an animal is it's just a business they're there to make your money they're not reintroducing animals into the wild there there's no program I mean I don't want to say there's none I'd like to hope that there are some there are programs where they help animals and they you know what it is it's like there's there's some animals that are so far gone and need so much help that it actually it it benefits them to have some of them in captivity just so they can keep a breeding population alive but ultimately does that breeding population get reintroduced into wild in any capacity some of them in some cases they' done it with tigers I know they've done it with some animals it's hard you know it's hard I mean I'm not I'm not sliding in any way people who

25:06care about wild animals I absolutely care about wild animals I think it's amaz I mean people think you don't if you hunt or you eat and I I get it I understand I understand where they're coming from but this is how I try to look at it those animals are going to die no matter what every they're all going to die they're not going to live forever I'm not talking about wiping out populations with hunting it's I'm not doing that and I don't think any Hunters are trying to do that in fact what Hunters are trying to do and what they have done there's more deer in North America today than they were when Columbus landed and the reason is a bunch of things but a big part of it is wildlife management the wildlife agencies like the Department of Fish and Wildlife In in America Department of Fish and Game they're they're very careful about how many deer they allow

25:53people to take and there's consequences for poaching like stiff consequences they put you in jail and because of these rules and enforcing these ethics they've allowed these animals to grow in massive numbers and then of course there's also agriculture agriculture contributes to them a lot like the most deer population or the the biggest deer population in America is usually around people it's usually in people and Farms like some of the biggest deer in the world like Iowa and Kansas they're known for like the biggest deer in in least uh North America Canada is actually known for the biggest ones but that has to do with cold temperatures creating larger bodied animals because they have to generate more heat to stay alive but my point is I'm not a hater of animals just CU I kill them and eat them in fact I love them I really do it sounds I get it I know it sounds contradictory but what

26:42you're doing when you're eating an animal is almost like a sacred thing when you hunt an animal and you kill and you eat it it sounds like such hippie horeshit or some pseudo spiritual horeshit but it is kind of sacred there's something that happens when I cook a steak of an elk that I ate and I grill that thing and I eat it there's a there's a connection that I have to that meat that's it's it's crazy it's You' earned it on different levels right you've earned it it's I don't know if the word earned it is the correct word I'm connected to it sure you know I'm connected to that animal I'm connected to where this meat comes from I know that that animal ate from the grass you know in the forest and then I killed it and now I'm eating it and this is like this weird crazy cycle but I grew up on uh moose meat my dad uh was a hunter Avid Hunter he went out

27:33there I mean I saw a photo recently of a get up on that microphone my friend or pull it towards you you can pull it towards you my bad I saw a photo recently of my dad back it has to be in the ' 80s and he took down a a bull moose I mean this is a massive animal the the best of my recollection was just eating that animal so I mean even the fact alone that I'm a meat eater and you know people rarely now back in 2012 this is a different story but you know there's been a largely a paradigm shift in how we we we view animals especially captive animals but you know I was called out quite a bit for being a hypocrite oh you eat meat oh you got leather shoes and you can as if as if my message is is worth nothing it's like well you're not paying attention to the to the core of my message like stop attacking the messenger and that's the sort of Defense I have against people

28:12who like to call hypocrisy in everything do you eat fast food and do you eat like store bought food yeah on my at my weakest moments and I'm admittedly a weak man I tried I tried not to and last time I was on the show I'd stress that you know I I tried to get away from pork and still I tried to make as ethical a decision as possible but not at 3: in the morning you know it just it happens it was just like last night we're driving around we're cruising around we needed to eat and uh we found our food and we gave him that paper money and I slept better so yeah it's tricky right tricky trying to stay alive and the last time I was on the show I had actually mentioned that I was uh had a hard time getting off cheese and it's recent it's interesting because recently I read a study that cheese may very well uh react to or your mind may actually react to cheese

28:55similarly to crack that really yeah it I I wish I could quotee it better again I'm not a scientist but I did read uh this article and it said that the more processed that a food is it it creates some type of fat that your brain itself becomes addicted to and they actually referenced an addiction to crack and that it was similar look at this cheese really is cracks Jamie you're on the ball you need a raise Chase cheese really is crack steady reveals cheese is as addictive as drugs that is insane well you know what that makes sense cuz I tell you what Anthony Bourdain um that loves cheese and he's uh had notorious substance abuse problems in the past but I hung out with him man the way he talks about cheese is the way young 22-year-old guys talk about now you know it's like it's it's like oh my God stinky cheese the stinkiest the better pull that up so I can understand

29:47that Jamie let me let me um pull pull it up so the text could read this is nuts for years you've been telling your friends family cowork what is the title of this that it's from the LA Times food Daily Dish uh by Jen Harris and uh it says for years you've been telling your friends family co-workers and anyone who will listen to that you're addicted to cheese it's part of every meal or snack and you think about it constantly a few studies suggest that food addiction is a real thing the study published by the US National Library of Medicine examines why certain foods are more addictive than other others researchers identified addictive foods from about 500 people who completed in the Yale food addiction scale huh okay cheese happens to be specially addictive because of an ingredient called casin okay it's a protein found in all milk products during digestion

30:37casin am I saying that right casin c a s i n releases opiates whoa called quesoria opiates get released when you eat cheese really play with the dopamine receptors and Trigger that addictive element wow that's amazing people are start putting some craft synthetic cheese and syringes I don't know you know what I've been eating lately I've been eating raw cheese been getting raw cheese from the Whole Foods Whole Foods has the raw cheese it's made with raw milk it's great man it's really good raw milk is great too it's the thing I've gotten away from the most I and growing up I drank a lot of milk a lot of milk I would say more than the average person now I can't I can't stomach a of milk yeah I just can't I have no urge for it whatsoever now I just so how do you eat cookies okay there's the when the hypocrisy comes comes in right I'm I'm the largest hypocrite I admit it yeah so

31:31you're right so I guess I do have I do have a dip of course uh I I I and I I've heard on the podcast before and I'm going to accept some of the Judgment that's going to come from it but I made the switch to almond milk and feel free to rant about how bad almond milk is for uh a the environment a for all the almonds that are being wasted and the water use and everything else I mean there is a perspective that people like to say oh almond milk that's a healthy alternative but if you look at it from the the other side the envirment rental impact and everything else almond milk so well it's not bad it's just what almond milk here's one thing that everybody needs to consider when you buy almond milk and it tastes good it's like oh this is so sweet look at the label all right cuz guarantee you that is filled with sugar Duncan called me up dude I've been drinking almond milk it's amazing it's

32:17so delicious I go okay what what what kind you drinking he tells me the kind I go look at the label and look how much sugar is in it he goes holy he's like 18 G I'm like yeah every glass is 18 grams of sugar right that's a lot of sugar I think you're not supposed to have like if you're trying to be healthy I don't believe you're supposed to have more than 25 grams of sugar a day I think there's like a limit where you hit a limit and if you go over that you're like whoa you're with your body there and this dude's getting most of that from a glass of supposedly healthy almond milk well I don't drink a lot of it admittedly but it's the alter yeah I think it does taste good it's got a Nutty flavors got a nice texture what can I say it's um really bad when you're in a place like California which is normally experiencing a drought today it's pouring like crazy we're in

33:07the middle of El Nino I do not know if you know this is El Nino and it's effects you want to warm the water you think that there's no consequences to your actions wrong ELO is here it couldn't wait three days for me to you know no it's good it's good I like it I like watching all these dummies who have no idea how to drive when it rains out H that's one of the things I loved about when I lived in Colorado for the brief time when it would snow it's like ah yes I love a little consequences for living on Earth and I just nature is a thing that we avoid in California we've avoided it it's doesn't it barely exists we go to the ocean like wow cool nature like that's the only time you know you can go visit it you can go to the park and visit it but it doesn't rain there's no weather there's no consequences I feel like water probably in California is some in a way the glue

34:02that's going to keep the ground together because you guys are in a badass drought I've seen like these before and after pictures I'm like wow and I remember when I was repeatedly asking you to come back in the show I'd be like I got to get in there uh before California Runs Out of Water we're not out of water we're right next to the ocean they just need to figure out how to suck that water out of the ocean get the salt out of it it's look if we could put people on the moon how the hell can we not get salt out of the water it's St just stop making smaller phones stop adding new TV channels to Direct TV figure it out you just get in there and suck that water out and let's turn this into a rainforest start spraying that from the sky all those chemtrail planes and all those wackos are worried about let's have those for real just fill them up with water and just dump it on us just

34:48get those giant planes filled with water and just dump water on everybody surely a million dooll idea uh I think it probably cost a little more than that but I was thinking of the earnings if you can manage to figure out how to how to extract that well they actually have um a desalination plant that they are going online with this year I believe in San Diego is that this year do you know that story Jamie um there's a uh there apparently they do have emerging Technologies to extract salt from water and they've used them in the Middle East where they just have ungodly amounts of money you know they just have so much money over there because of the oil that some of these um some of these dudes have uh tried to use that money to create machines that can suck the salt out of the water and figure out some way to filter it if Bill Gates can drink water from his own you'd like to

35:36think that someone could uh is that what he's doing well he did good for him he invented a machine that extracted water from Human and there he was like from actual or from like I think it was I think it was we'll use the word sewage just for the sake of making a little more broader spectrum of Jus Christ yeah well that's what you do when you have 90 billion doar it's bold go everybody's getting Fiji and Evon and I heard fiji's not even really from Fiji those I heard that's yeah I heard Fiji is just some just some spring water from the middle of nowhere that plan opened up December 14th oh it did open up okay so it went online at the end of 2015 that's interesting it's good huge developments yeah that's going to happen that's just that's going to fix the whole problem we're going to go Jesus Christ why we were right next to so much water you have to fly over it in a

36:25plane and it takes 16 hours to get to the other side and I'm just going to and I'm going to plead ignorant here but why are we not just showering with salt water or maybe extinguishing fires with salt water why are we not using the salt water in different capacities that we're not you know imposing so much uh it's good question to to to process it um uh the thing about saltwater is um it does corrode things like really badly if you're near the ocean uh I have a friend who has a beach house every time we go to hang out with him at his beach house like everything's like all up and corroded like they're constantly dealing with corrosion because of the salt in the air it's just a moisture and salt together they just corrode the out of things that's why um where I used to live in Boston the uh cars are always up like old cars it's hard to find like if you want to find like a 1970 Plymouth or

37:11something like that it's hard to find one that's in good shape CU they're all rusted out from the salt that they throw in the ground um when it when it snows out you know to melt the snow so that's why my cars are all up right so the point being almond milk the problem with almond milk is it uses a lot of water they use a shitload of water almonds I guess you're extracting very little of the of the nutritional value from the almonds per capita if you will like versus like this mass amount right grinding it down or whatever almonds that's what I have to say dude them who cares I eat almonds all day not care about their life that's the thing about life we we don't really um we don't really care much about plant life we want it to be there but we we don't think about it the way we think about animal life like we want animal life to be there but we don't want

37:52anybody to kill it like plant life the only time people get bummed out about plants it's when someone chops down ancient Redwood or something like that like oh God how could you and again I've read somewhere where plants can actually hear uh when they're being eaten and I've seen some studies or rather uh I read something somewhere again where uh plant has a similar hunting uh Behavior as animals where they actually The Roots will physically Chase or get find their nutrients so you know some would argue that uh that plants are just as conscious or conceivably conscious as uh as animals as well well they're different in the same way that humans are different than dolphins we were talking about the intelligence level of an orca versus the intelligence level of a person like we we would like to think that we're smarter than them but there's no evidence of that if we lived in the

38:38ocean we would look like idiots if we were swimming around with them trying to stay alive they'd be like look at these dummies with their fingers and their exposed dicks the their dicks going to eaten by crabs these they can't even sleep in the water like what are they they're just going to die they would think we were right so that sort of of how you know we look at their life and what they're doing like they're perfectly adapted to environment well a tree is perfectly adapted to its environment and there's been a lot of research done on plant intelligence and there is a lot of evidence to suggest that these aren't inanimate objects like a rock that just happens to get larger every year no these are living things they're living things that do calculations that somehow or another communicate with each other they let other plants know when they're being

39:31prayed upon they develop um methods in order to discourage predation and that's where poisonous plants come from all poisonous plants come from discouraging predation that's what that's what it's all about it's funny CU one of the cruestv imagination but is if you've ever seen a venus fly trap yeah like slowly dissolve uh you know it's prey it's like wild pretty evil yeah well there's one that eats rats there's a plant in the Amazon that looks like a giant tulip that eats rats pull that up Jamie this a rat eating plant and it's it's a plant it's like it has like a sickly sweet smell to it apparently and these uh animals go in it looking for food and they go they just close in on them and they don't bite and kill them they slowly envelop and dis them just smush them just trap them smush them and then absorb their nutrients break them down to the very molecules and protein and liquids I'm

40:36going to get 250 people with signs on a plant's doorstep protes them well plants are alive man we need to eat living things life eats life life feeds on life that it just does and what's going on now with animal rights activism and paa and the animal Liberation Organization is people who care that's what really is whether they're misguided whether I agree with them they're people who care and they're people who feel deeply about these animals check this out watch this that's hunting behavior for sure that thing may as well be fishing what happened we went here we go here we go so this thing um it it has like this open leaf and these plants what are we watching here this is like a fast speeded up version of it so what happens is um is it growing here is that what we're watching I thought Final Countdown was about to play I thought I found another video and it was way too

41:37quick it was just a mouse falling into a plant so I didn't want to go with that and this one was a guy in front of one okay but this is um we're watching the whole grow this isn't so this is what happens this is this is where it is it opens up and it looks like almost like a hamper where you throw your clothes in or something or a strange green vagina that looks like a snake like that's crazy yeah yeah well there's a lot of that in the Animal World um this is all just growth though we're watching like highp speed grow we're not going to watch it eat anything Jamie we're going to have to find another video when the these things open up they open up and the rats are attracted to the smell and they climb in that tube and when they climb in that tube they wind up dying show the one that uh that has a here it goes eats a frog here it go this is perfect this is the

42:23one this is gonna close right up on it it already did Jamie just watch this just do it from the beginning here it goes watch this he's just hanging out like what's that smell let me just Che up she just and then it eats them it's over yeah it eats uh and this is a new plant they've only discovered this I think like five or six years ago and um eats frogs all sorts of things look at this watch this look at this venus fly trap W that's a rap That's cold blooded man that is so up play that again good God that frog look at he's like what's the smell that is so crazy so it's one of the for me anyways that's one of the toughest things to watch that look at that I think it's hours that poor animal is going to be just laying there uh incapacitated until ultimately well if it's suffocated then it is what it is I didn't know a venus fly trap could do that I didn't know they ate a frog is

43:16that a different plant or is that a venus fly trap it looks like it it has the fingers it's just I I that's what those plants have figured out is their meth method to get ahead that's their hustle their hustle is they they trap things and they suck them into their body and they eat them they survive they evolve get bigger get stronger yeah those are predators man these are carnivores so look at these look at these ants getting killed by this plant oh my God there's so many of them man there's so many different weird one look at this they roll up these ants oh this is so creepy it looks like a giant green tongue with like weird sort of spikes that grow on it and the spikes lift up and wrap around the ant or the fly here in this case and just trap them and once they have him trapped in there and S he's stuck in the stickiness of the look at this with these ants and then it

44:11wraps up and rolls them up like a burrito yeah it's up man yeah Nature's a tough place I mean nature doesn't give a but I think nature is beautiful I think it's amazing I think if you really want to see nature way to see it is obviously documentaries and DVDs if you want to stay in your home but to actually see the physical animal go somewhere go somewhere and see them go see them in their natural environment that's where you're going to get a real respect for them absolutely yeah I'm taking um one of my uh elk hunting trips this year I want to take my kids with me um not when I kill an animal because I don't want to make any noise I don't want to have to quiet them down cuz it's a very patient thing and it's something that it would be very hard for 5-year-old to do would you take issue with them seeing the kill itself no they've watched it on TV yeah sure

45:02they've seen the meat they've seen me butcher uh meat they haven't seen me kill the whole animal but they've seen me chop up a giant elk um backstrap and turn into staks in the middle of the kitchen just sitting there with a cutting board slicing it up and they ask questions and there isn't a disconnect between that meat having been a live animal I they that understanding well they've seen me on television kill animals on a TV show so they know that I do it they know that I have Targets in the yard I'm always practicing arrows and um archery but um I want what I want to do is not not even the hunting aspect of it I want to take them so they could see the elk when elk are rutting and they're screaming is amazing it's like you're in Jurassic Park it's like you're in some Hobbit movie or something when you're in the Hills like I'm what I want to do is I'm G to I want to plan a week

45:52of hunting and then I want to pay a guide just to call in the elk so we could just watch them cuz I just want the kids to see what it's like when you make this noise and then you see this thing looks like a a giant forest horse that comes up and wants to and they're screaming they have this crazy whale it's it's amazing to watch outside of hunting like separate that like that's that's all great and everything but just be just being a part of the environment like stepping on the ground where these things live wild and all they're worried about is like mountain lions and bears and that's what they're doing they're trying to stay alive they're trying to get laid and they're they're existing in this very bizarre world that we rarely get to see yeah we can't really truly appreciate it because uh we don't have to worry about it we don't have to worry about what their concerns are anymore

46:46well even like look at Africa man they have these tourism things they do in Africa but a good percentage of them are in these high fence operations where they've sort of fenced in these animals in these giant contained wildlife sanctuaries and the Animals thrive in there but how do you see I mean the way you see them as you get in a Jeep and you drive around and even if the it's some there's something up about knowing that they're not they can't leave even if it's like 10 miles in every direction and there's a fence and they would never roam 10 miles in the wild the fact that there's a fence at all the fact that we've gotten our greasy little hands in their world it kind of changes it way well it's funny because I actually witnessed a ruting deer a male of course uh trying to enter the premises of marine land and there's a large fence around it and this thing

47:38was so I mean a rutting deer is actually a pretty dangerous animal I mean they are they are their their sexual urges are far beyond any type of like it just trumps any behavior that they would have so this thing was smashing it must have been smelling the females inside the park but it was repeatedly smashing itself against the fence trying to get in to the point where it ripped half its face off its antlers were getting up so we actually called a hunter who had been in the back like who had had the the permission by the owner of Marineland to hunt inside some wild deer and we went and got him and he came put the first bow went directly through the animal didn't kill it got a second bow and then uh took put the animal down well killed it and then we ate the sausage some sometime later of course yeah they get crazy moose are super aggressive when they get horny they're

48:22dangerous yeah I've been in Algonquin Park at times when uh when uh the the Moose are rutting and that is by far the most dangerous animal out there for you I mean you don't want to get anywhere near a runting moose they're so big have you ever seen one in the wild I have yeah of course God the first time I saw one in in the in the wild was in the middle of British Columbia in the forest and it was like the first one I saw was a female and we saw him in the distance and I was like oh my it was like that scene in Jurassic Park where Jeff Goldblum lifts his head up out of the Jeep and it's like what like you can't believe how big they are are they're like the males get to 1,800 lb 1,800 lb like the biggest elk that I killed was around 1,000 pounds so imagine something twice the size of that you drive your car under moose yeah it's crazy yeah well my friend my friend Mike

49:12hawkridge who uh runs uh Big Country Outfitters up there he got chased by a female moose on a horse he was on his horse and the female had the calves with them which is when they get really dangerous and they get aggressive and the horse was running and the moose was gaining on them and he was like holy and he realized like oh my God like this is this could be it it's good thing the horse kept its cool or kept it its footing at least that a up scene oh yeah well if the horse slipped and fell or the horse said this guy on my back like I'm out I don't think he could I mean he had a saddle and everything like that I don't know if the horse is that smart point being I mean what we're saying is uh almond milk is that's what we're saying that's the bottom line alond milk sucks it's all right so um what has changed since the two years that you've been here other than there's

50:06a lot of public acknowledgement and understanding now that it wasn't available or wasn't it sort of wasn't at the level that it is now I think people are much more outraged now about SeaWorld and about uh marine land and just the idea of captive orcas and dolphins and in your case walruses well so the first thing we did was we managed to ban uh Orca captivity in Ontario that's that's done now so Marine line will never and mark my word they will never acquire another uh killer whale whether it be uh wild cot or not so that was a big win for animal activists if you will or anyone for that matter has any invested interest in the well-being of animals uh just as of January 1st uh we're 2016 now uh there are standards of care which is what I actually petitioned the government for back in 2012 because when I came out um and sort of revealed marine land for what it actually is

51:00behind the scenes uh during that time there were no standards of care you could literally have dug a hole in your backyard filled it with whatever you want and then you know plunked yourself some dolphins in there and that was fine there were no standards of care there was no uh oversight in any capacity that's changed albeit the letter of the regulations that we have now I would say that few people are really satisfied there's still lots of work to do with them but the fact alone that they are now legislated will be able to uh to change some of the the the parameters you know one of the biggest things that there's in fact water quality parameters uh when I in the last eight months of my tenure at marine land I was witnessed to um some of the more horrific things that a that CTIC water can do to animals uh I witnessed Dolphins lose their skin I mean the skin was flaking off literally

51:46flaking off their their skin and we're not talking about it just a regular Slough uh there was some permanent eye damage that was done what happened was there was a there was a breakdown in a disinfection unit a water infection unit we used to work use ozone in conjunction with chlorine ozone mitigated the use of chlorine so you didn't have to use so much of it and when that machine broke down the resolve was just keep pumping more chlorine keep pumping more chlorine chlorine and because we were in the offseason the public wasn't seeing this okay and this is 2012 I had an old shitty Blackberry but I knew I was conscious enough of how bad things were that I started snapping photos taking videos and you know there was a major complacency for management because hey we're not opening again for another 8 months or 6 months whatever it be I think the the issue started in October

52:27they opened in November and so there were no parameters there was no oversight there was nowhere for me to run to find help now there is that so now Marin land has to adhere to new uh uh uh legislation that will require some capital investment from them which of course is something that we like to hear um but there's at least some stuff in place and most importantly is uh most recently there's a senator uh Federal Canadian Senator liberal by the name of of uh Willie Moore is what we're actually the hashtag we're saying free wiie Moore it's sort of a in the hopes of sort of getting Justin Trudeau's attention and he's introduced a bill it's called the ending of captivity of Wales and dolphins act it's a bill uh 203 I believe and uh this bill once it passes the Senate and ultimately passes uh into law is going to ban both the import the breeding of all whales

53:23porposes captivity or rather and whales in captivity in Canada basically putting a shelf life on marine land in the capacity that they that they do business now uh this is a bill that I'm I'm urging people look if if you give a about animals in captivity you know uh tweet Justin Trudeau our our recently elected uh prime minister and uh yeah we're really trying to we're looking forward to moving this thing forward beyond that it's always a qu it's always a thing about the what I call the Paradigm Shift um people don't want to see don't want to visit zoos no more attendance at Marland is annihilated now this doesn't stop him from exacting a gross revenge on me but nonetheless we're still afloat we're still here three years later amidst all these lawsuits as I stressed before these slap lawsuits strategic lawsuits against public participation when I got

54:13sued well I had hoped to one day we'd be in court here we are well over a thousand days later and not and I've spent well I say I've spent but we've publicly raised a lot of money uh we spent collectively over the three uh former animals uh trainers that are turned whistleblowers we've collectively spent over $100,000 and not had a single day in court so it's all just trying to drain you legally Joe the fact alone that I'm speaking into this microphone is exactly what marine land doesn't want I'm dangerous to the anti- Captivity or rather the Captivity industry because I know a lot of things of course SeaWorld uh was if you want to use the term ined with Marin land uh seworld likes to acquire because because in the States you can't acquire uh wild Cod animals what SeaWorld would do is they would get the animals that marine land would import so marine land would import wild

55:02card belugas from Russia breed them and because the the calvs were bred in captivity they could now be moved to the states so this was how SeaWorld in the States was was trying to continue to acquire these animals so that's and this is exactly what this bill is sort of trying to stop so that's one of the things that SeaWorld was full of about cuz SeaWorld was trying to say we haven't done like one of one of their commercials was was saying that they haven't they haven't caught they haven't brought in a whale in 35 years yeah they haven't captured a whale from the wild in 35 years there's a number of examples of that being one being uh a wild Cott Orca or what they deemed rescued Orca named Morgan that was captured uh off the coast of the Netherlands it was you know it was by itself uh it had left its pod or it was it had lost contact with its pod and so

55:50it's a it's a uh dolphin Arium called D dolphin Arium heart ofik they acquired this animal and then what they did or they took it and they called it rehabbing and then they of course deem it non-releasable they sent it to a place and it's outlined in uh in Blackfish in fact because there's a there's a large uh the documentary Blackfish there's a relationship between SeaWorld and uh uh a facility called in tenar Reef it's called Loro par so what SeaWorld did was they had that animal Morgan the the wild Orca transferred to um to Laurel Park and now it's actually part and listed as part of its collection that's a wild Cod animal so SeaWorld will sit there and tout this idea we haven't done this in years and yet they're they're importing wild wildau animals that have just recently bred one the the babies from Canada and then they're they're basically adding to

56:43their to their stock of animals this other wild Cod animal so we could talk about the that SeaWorld spews uh all day but the nice thing is most people are now conscious of it most people look at it and say I mean every time SeaWorld tweets anything they get a lot of hate because people know now right they know they they're essentially a slavery organization yeah I can't disagree and saying that we haven't captured a slave in 35 years is still disgusting the idea that that's a that's okay that they can just say we haven't participated in slavery catching slaves in 35 years we just keep them here locked in a tiny little have you ever seen the map I'm sure you have the parking lot in Ju dep position to the actual area where the doph get to swim the most heartbreaking one is when that pool is right next to the ocean when you can see it physically right there there's a lot of facilities

57:32where the Dolphins are Spy Hopping and they can see the sea it's right there the ocean is right there it's a question of picking them up and throwing them back in there right why can't they make it so that they can go back and forth why can't they make it so that they can have like set up a facility this is the way you can make it so these animals can transition back to the Wild and that if they do decide to come and participate in shows they could do it on their own free will have like an open area where it's connected to like a dock where the pools and the areas where the animals swim they should be examined by some marine biologist that deem it ethical this is an enormous place as long as you don't keep them in here but they can do their stuff in here and everything will be fine and have it be actual ocean water and then have an open portal so you don't have to worry about

58:20them starving death in the wild they can always come in and get food anytime they want and that way you can kind of keep both things happen like they develop a relationship with these animals where it's a it's an actual real relationship it's not captivity they come because they want to get food sort of like squirrels at the park or something this is exactly what animal rights uh people if you will and and scientists these days are advocating for they want Seaside sanctuaries where which these animals remain in human care and are available for people to watch of course you're going to have to keep the like stop the breeding the breeding's got to stop ultimately you want to phase this this out completely unless they want to on their own in front of everybody well I'm I'm going to guess that people that the scientists are going to want to try to stop that but um that's what

59:01people are advocating for really is these Seaside um sanctuaries but SeaWorld keeps saying that oh there's so many pathogens in the water and it's going to make these animals susceptible again it's all you does that mean well it means that they think that they're going to become susceptible and be sick or that or that the transition itself from captivity into this new environment is going to be too much the stomach well where was that logic when they were plucking them out of the out of the ocean and putting them in these concrete tanks right well they're going to have to adapt if it if they change the laws and they make it so that that's um that's just the only acceptable solution then they'll adapt the only way there was a law re uh introduced a couple years ago by uh his name was assemblyman uh Richard Bloom and it was a bill that ultimately was going to retire all the

59:41orcas in San Diego to Seaside sanctuaries the issue that was raised is that there are no Seaside sanctuaries yet and so the bill ultimately died well SeaWorld use your money what yeah you have a giant facility you obv viously made money off of those things it's a what how how down are they right now SE well their net worth or rather their their company valuation when they did their initial IP uh initial public offering was uh in and around $2 billion and basically that's down to at one point it was down to 1.5 so now 1.7 so you know animal activism if you will has really caused them a lot of harm financially they literally um they still worth a lot of money they're not they're not well of course they're still worth a lot of money but for a slave organization to be worth over a billion dollars that's kind of and then you could buy stock in the slave organization yeah what the

60:36man I watch that stock price daily I mean they're slaves man are they have they rebounded is that what it's showing it's up today depending on where your time they're up today that's because of us yeah well look at look at yesterday look at yesterday people don't like me Joe ran yeah I'm going to get a lot of that too pump your money in the SeaWorld yeah there's an investment yeah well it's not going to be around in 20 or 30 years it's it's not you're right it's it's more the more we do research into the the language of these things too the more scientists I mean they've been trying to you know John Lily was trying to get them to speak human he was trying to get them to speak human languages like way back in I guess it was like the 60s yeah and uh he even set up an experiment where a woman lived in sort of this bizarre home where the there was water she spent most of her

61:29time like waste Deep in water yeah when she wasn't jagging off the uh dolphin that was the problem she jacked off the dolphin cuz Dolphins get horny and she was like well this is a distraction let me just jerk them off real quick and and everybody's like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa what the did you just say thankfully we've come a long way since then because clearly that was just a question of the animal mimicking I mean the idea that this animal is going to adopt the English language over and above like but but to be fair the mimickry itself was pretty impressive impressive and I've worked with dophins and I never I never actually tried to have the dolphin mimic my own sound but with what I was watching of that doc I watched the documentary recently as well is uh it was pretty impressive pretty impressive but the idea that that was teaching uh uh or trying to bridge the

62:09the communication was pretty I mean that's that's out there well it's all Lily could come up with back then at the time first of all he was on acid almost every day I mean Lily was a Maniac you take ketamine and he was the guy that invented the isolation tank I mean which is one of my favorite things in the world yeah I've yet to do it I can't wait to though I'm going to how long are you here for I'm here till uh I leave we setay morning I can set it up hell yeah I would love that we'll set set you up with the either the the float lab there's a new place in Pasadena that just opened up that's the largest place in the world yeah very interested yeah we'll hook it up fantastic appreciate that what what part of town you staying in where you here uh we're going to be in Venice Beach oh Jesus Christ that's where the float lab is oh how about that dude that's perfect I'll call them we're

62:53going to call them right after this we're going to set it up because crash is the best I've heard that he's been on the podcast before he's a Maniac I love him and he kept the float business alive um with Innovation back when no one did um I had a guy who was fixing my tank and um you know I had an old somati tank which is one of the original tanks and it was starting to deteriorate a little bit because I'd had it for a while and um this guy told me like this this crazy guy in Venice that's making these tanks it's just they're just so much better than anybody else little pods is it or like full Square rooms I mean no you get into like it looks like a small Meat Locker that's what it looks like you you open a door and you climb and he has a bunch of different models you have some that you got to got of uh got to kind of uh bend over when you get in but mine is

63:41like 7 ft tall and like 9 ft long it's huge I've heard you say that you find it like incredibly therapeutic and uh just clear your mind take you to places where you can think clearly I could I could definitely benefit from some of that it's great for that it's great physically for your body too and like my back like opens up and relaxes I feel like I can like pop it just by like stretching my my my shoulders up it just goes po pop because everything's just relaxing it's a great source of magnesium because there's 1,000 lbs of epson salts in the water my older one was like 800 lb but the bigger one requires more so it's 1,000 pounds of salt and that Epsom salt when your body's floating in that your your skin is absorbing the Magnesium super healthy for you you just feel great you get out of there you feel great and go in there like I do you trip your balls off in

64:28there I went on mushrooms on New Year's Eve took mushrooms I was cleaning my office and I'm like look what I got here do I do this so I ate the mushrooms and then I didn't take a big dose but I took enough where I started to get really weird I I waited about an hour until I couldn't take it anymore I was like I can't be around people anymore I got to get in the tank and then I got in the tank and the tank was good to you was wonderful it was embracing just just sent me on a voyage just sent me on a voyage through my mind and got me in this very positive groove it really like it was it was a good trip because it was um it was a New Year's Eve trip it was like a like New Year's Eve is really at the end of the day who cares you know this it's just another day man like what what is in your but rituals as I'm getting older and more experienced I used to reject anything that was

65:19established because uh my life wasn't so good when I was growing up and I thought that everything that was everything that everybody wanted and everything that everybody's working for was all degrees are and rituals are and you I'm a rebel know I I can appreciate that perspective be told but as I get older I recognize the benefit In Like A New Beginning in your mind like this year I am going to do this this year I'm going to like how many people it's hard for people to I actually retweeted something today from Neil Strauss who's a really brilliant guy and uh it's an article that he wrote about strategies and systems that you can set up to uh make sure you don't fall into the same traps and sabotage yourself same Cycles yeah which a lot of people do um but you don't have to the idea there it is right there why you need a Ulsa strategy for 2016 um the people have this thing in

66:18their mind that this new this new day and this new time is going to be the start of their new diet they're going to quit smoking they're going to start exercising they're going to get their life in order and they go at it with this these Earnest intentions but very few continue that process and the problem being we're creatures of habit and we have these Comfort zones that we've sort of set up and when you set up those Comfort zones you set up these established patterns it's it's very easy to fall right back into them it's very easy to be a lazy wasn't it John Lily that was studying like the different levels of consciousness now he himself said that there these these cycles that you have to try to make yourself conscious of and try to break these cycles and like um I know I myself uh find myself too often uh sitting in a bathtub feeling uh pretty down on things

67:09and I'm like you know maybe if i' get out of the bathtub go for a jog or something I wouldn't feel like this right definitely would help going for a jog is one of the best pieces of advice anybody could ever give you if you ever have something that's with you just go for a run get those endorphins flowing get that blood pumping and put things into perspective yeah your mind starts to change immediately you actually start the language that that your mind beats the out of you with changes and suddenly you start getting uh resolves and answers to your problems versus like dwelling on them i' I've myself personally I have gone for runs and I like I don't run that much but and I ride my bike like you know in in the dark when I'm amidst the darker depths of hell and every time I come back saying good thank God you went and did something right well I think we

67:50associate as a human being we associate dilemas and physical problems like issues like bills or um um lawsuits in your case all these we associate those things with a physical thing because our bodies are used to any fear or danger from the time we were monkeys it's always been a physical danger there's never been like a social issue until recently I mean until the last you know a few thousand years when human beings started talking to each other the real problems that we had were all they weren't bills it's more instinctual almost yeah it's like there's a physical problem so when you develop Stress and Anxiety you have this physical response to that like holy what's going on and then you don't do anything with that physical response that physical response never gets fed you never run you never exercise you never exert and so your body just gets into a deeper and deeper level of funk

68:47and stress and the physical exertion all that seems like a meathead thing to say like yeah just got to go to the gym walk it up but you really do you really do and if you do do that you will feel better MH like some of my favorite people are people that do Jiu-Jitsu because Jiu-Jitsu is such a life and death struggle on a regular basis with people you love and care about it's a bizarre thing like you know when you roll with people that you love like you're friends with you slap hands and they you try to kill each other and you're going to war I mean it's it's it exhausting so when it's over you're drained so other the of regular just seems way less significant you still have to deal with it you're still a person you still live in the real world still have taxes still have problems still have law suits yeah your situation is very very extreme my situation is

69:37Extreme in fact if if you don't mind I wouldn't mind uh sort of offering a perspective of just how things are yeah please do so shortly after I was on uh the podcast and I don't know if you recall you probably don't you see a lot of tweets but I tweeted you um video of the owner of Marin land who's the man that's suing myself and a number of other people people to try to stifle our advocacy and essentially punish us and the video was of him driving past our home and uh you know I uploaded it to YouTube and whatnot and then shortly thereafter there were more videos and then neighbors started taking photos when I wasn't home so he drives by and just threaten you to make SLT well I assume it's to intimidate my girlfriend and I he has a history of doing this and I want to touch a little bit on that in in a moment but I just want to give my example to begin with um do you have

70:24this video is on YouTube right right now yeah can we see it sure what's it what's your channel I wouldn't mind showing you a couple of them just uh Google John holler j o h n h o l e r and you'll get videos footage I mean there's a pretty elaborate history we've Unearthed a lot about sort of how he how he operates I'm getting a little nervous talking about this Joe right now because I just I know the consequences of which are going to cost a a lot of money and cause a lot of anxiety where I'm going with this story but well when do this lawsuit get resolved here here's the video we're going to watch the video real quick so this is you looking at the curtains so so I live at the end of a dead end Street mhm and across from me is the water it's a beautiful place I love it and he's trying to take from me my home essentially but I saw him come by and he stopped in front of my house I armed

71:06myself with my old Blackberry camera he went down the end of the road and you see him now coming back so he speeds up and right here you'll see slows right down and he just wants to intimidate of course he has know no idea that I'm there of course I present myself and I'm just like like what you want bro and then there he goes so he drives off when you come near he drives off oh what a yeah wellow that's the same you like to put a lot of bullets in uh well he shot those dogs if you don't recall my telling you a couple of dogs wandered off to his property boom he filled him with uh shotgun pellets um anyways so he pul do you know that for sure that that's his truck absolutely and in fact we got him in his new vehicle as well license plate the whole works the the police in fact set up a surveillance camera two of them they caught him independently and I'm and

71:51don't quote me but I'm going to call it 12 times the police refused to chart any charges because they said hey driving past someone's home isn't technically a criminal harassment despite the fact that we were like look the man's suing us he's he's dangerous I mean I I knew the man at least historically to have had a shotgun in his vehicle he's got a lot of reason to not like my myself and my girlfriend who's on any given time alone in my home so nonetheless the police wouldn't do anything we took that information and went to ad Justice to the piece to try to lay what's called a private uh charge not a charge but we just want him a summons to come into the court and explain this Behavior this is normally a 30-day process Marine land's lawyers managed to get in an appeal to the summons which is largely unprecedented I mean I guess with I guess people with money can skirt the law but

72:42nonetheless it took a year and a half the lawyer the judge ultimately decided that this issue shouldn't be decided in the criminal court in fact it should be dealt with in the Civil matters so he quashed the summons so the owner didn't have to come and and uh explain himself and now I'm waiting any given day now because the lawyers already informed my other lawyers they're seeking a cost uh motion where I'm to pay the legal fees which they're claiming upwards of $100,000 to have had to try to get this summons against him his stalking leads to my trying to lay a private uh charge if you will or whatever private summons he gets it quashed and now he wants to to put me on the hook for his uh legal fees so he's just trying to drain you financially it's a war of attrition and it's like he just trying to crush anyone that's showing any type of opposition

73:36now I know the last time you were on you had like a GoFundMe or something like that and people contributed how do we how do we help you what does that address and so recently I had to retain a new lawyer two of my lawyers have left and these were ultimately the ones that were working really uh at a cost effectively they're gone so I had to retain a new lawyer uh I don't ask for a lot of money from people but I do ask for a lot of people as long as we've got money and our lawyers can work this lawsuit has to run its course and at some point and the judge has already said has already criticized marand for taking as long as they have now Mar wants to say well this is the behavior of the people of the of the defendants the the behavior being that we tried to seek some some protection from this man that took a year and a half he's trying the the the lawyers are trying to allege

74:23that it's our Behavior that's delaying this process and yet here we are 2 years after I was here and not a single day later of course significant legal fees but um we recently uh uh got a a very generous contribution from some uh animal rights organizations that are running little fundraises for us uh we used to have what you would call a benefactor which was Sam Simon he's co-creator for The Simpsons he was giving us a lot of money unfortunately recently he passed away so that sort of ended but um yeah largely it's the it's the it's the public support this is really quite unpreceded ented to have a litigation uh funded by crowdfunding yeah it's really unheard of it's it's it's an important one so what is the address and how do people get we're going to put the address on YouTube so if you're listening to this on YouTube it will be in um the description of the

75:10podcast um and I'm also going to put it on Twitter and uh so we'll we'll have it as available as possible if we can put it in the iTunes uh description of the podcast we'll put it in that too what is what is the address and people get to it it's save smooshy decom smooshy being the walrus that I had the anomalous relationship with so it's sa Ave s m o Shi okay.com so so again I'm not funding just my own lawsuit I stuck my neck out and said I'm going to pay for all these lawsuits right some years ago and I'd mentioned before that I won Wipeout Canada so there was a period where I actually had a good chunk of change in the bank so when these law suits started to fly I just started cutting checks just started cutting checks well that didn't last very long right so so really it is the the support of the people but if you don't mind my touching a little more so here's the here's the page oh

75:59cool so save smooshy that's Sav smooshy dorg go go to the.com one yeah what's the difference uh the difference is that was just a website that I had created for sort of like ongoing um fundraising and why does it not exist no save smooshi no put it all together in one word there save smooshy dcom it did it didn't work no it should that closed down your website yeah oh he's trying to shut down my Twitter never mind is he okay here we go safe smooshy dcom what is it it had needed a www well it it forwards to a go fundme that's probably why I needed a ww yeah um defend animal abuse whistleblowers so right now you've got um some donations and there's a donate button donate on you can share it on Facebook and uh and let's uh let's pump this up folks just to stress that that that's in Canadian currency not to scare anyone cuz a lot of people go are just like

76:54what's the C next to the donation why do you guys just stop using your money and use ours cut it out it'd be nice yeah that's for damn sure you're connected to us let's cut the godamn it Mexico too cut the with your pesos if I can uh just touch on a story that I I think I think it's important in in the realm of public opinion to or rather Consciousness to know of but this isn't the first time that the owner marand has stocked and intimidated people in fact uh some years ago uh a woman named Paula Mard was was uh living in a trailer park that the owner Marin line actually owned that was across the street from the park and he had promised them all that he was not going to to to move them or displace them and this was going to be their home for a long time a lot of retirees there people put some permanent investment in the in their properties well ultimately

77:41he did elect to kick everyone out uh he had the city's support which is not again we're up against a lot of forces if you will well one woman uh was having none of that she was she was refusing to move and the owner would repeatedly drive by an Intimidator and ultimately what she did was she had written on the wall she had written John holler may you get exactly what you deserve tenfold and then she thereafter committed suicide yeah I think it's important to tell that story I it's because uh it illuminates sort of who he is who he is allegedly allegedly of course I have to say that yeah me too well we're going to help you man we're going to pump this I've said it before and I'll say it again like we're really still in this game because of you I and heartfelt appreciation for having me back on it's uh I can't tell you and the timing is right because we have a bunch of

78:34different motion dates coming up and well I appreciate that but I I also appreciate what you're doing I think that guys like you are super important for this you you in particular you're probably one of the most important because this whole thing that we're experiencing right now is essentially our civilization is Awakening to the horrors of the past and we're doing something that's really up and not right and we've been doing it for a long time so we think it's okay because we've been doing it for a long time and this is sort of the same thing that they experienced with slavery I mean slavery had existed for a long time and it took a bunch I mean people think you're exaggerating this is this is not slavery these are animals no they're insanely intelligent animals they're they're so much different than a puppy they're so much different than a squirrel they have a cerebral C text

79:25that's 40% larger than human beings we don't know why we don't know what they're saying we know they have an insanely complex language but we don't know what it's we don't know what the the meaning behind the sounds are we don't know we've recognized dialects they have different dialects in different areas we know that they speak differently in different parts of the world and I can I can personally offer perspective of having had a really strong relationship with an animal like my anomalous relationship with smooshy the walrus and I'll just do a quick the summary of it is that she at one point believed that I was her mother I mean she still does it's inate now she thinks that I'm her mother it's I'm tattooed on her brain right I've imprinted on her uh so I got to appreciate what it was like to raise this animal in that unique opportunity and in that the language and

80:13I wish John C ly would still be around because I think that he himself would be calling a lot of on what's going on he'd say this is a uh catastrophe that you know what's being imposed on us the separation and everything else but I got to learn what it was like to to teach an animal to have a sense of humor for instance I mean this walrus has a sense of humor this walrus knows me intimately whether I raise my voice or I lower it she has she knows me in the in a sense like a dog like I'm going to say far beyond do I'm going to say far go outs this is an animal that could appreciate when there was real threat against me we used to joke around and the way that we discovered that she was so protective of me that people would come really close to me she would beat the snot out of these people I mean she'd come in like a 200lb bowling ball and displace you but she knew when I was messing with

80:54with someone or when someone had grabbed me and it appeared to be a little more violent it I mean her reaction in did someone grab you in a violent way the owner's son in fact and uh yeah the owner's son came over one time he just didn't believe what was going on and he grabbed me and he didn't grabb me in a smooth and fun way he grabbed me and shook me smooshi never forgot his face a she it she was there was a there was a gate between us so she smashed up against those bars really aggressively harping on them yelling everything else and even in the weeks and months to come every time he'd come any any even remotely close to me or in the room she was ready to pounce it was amazing it how fast does a walrus pounce can you call it pouncing I wouldn't call it pouncing kind of waddle right they're pretty fast they're a heavy animal actually I can say that I've I've in and

81:37not just myself and other other former trainers have actually rescued the owner of Marin land from uh from walruses that were that were about to attack him there's a video on YouTube which is actually hilarious where uh he's out on stage obviously yelling at a trainer to bring out more animals everything and the walers breaks from him and starts going towards the owner and he turns around starts booking and the walrus stops and he turns around he grabs his water and he throws the water at and then the walrus goes and he sort of tucks away behind this sort of safety door and I'm just like what a I couldn't wait for him to get knocked down man H it didn't happen whatever but there's a number of examples of that actually there's another video if you don't mind um look up uh if you Google John holler again you can get to a place where he's actually uh confronting a an activist

82:21who's just there offering on public property which which has now since been leased to the to Marin Land by the city um he's handing leaflets with information while they have a they have a conflict like they have sort of a coming together and uh John holler in plain English threatens to stab him and bury him and of course the the activist who's Mike Garrett he's a fantastic guy was um was you know he's I'm assuming he saw he tried to keep keep some sense and keep things as light as possible but John just has a conip he's yelling his arms and up I mean John's a little guy right he's got I what I call the little big man where he's just but anyways he goes this is all because the guy is protesting against well we us were protesting but more than anything he's handing information he's handing a history of marine land but it happens to be at the end of the Park on public

83:08property but nonetheless you know uh the city obliged and and uh uh released the land to them I mean it is what it is Marine land's operated for 53 years um Above the Law there was no laws there was nothing now there are some thankfully and things are are tur slowly but if you could find that video if not that's all right Joe while I've got the while we're just here I'd like to show you this oh yeah let's let's take a look so here he's like oh look we're hugging and then here that little guy's the owner that little guy's the owner and that's his hired goon on the uh right there all it is is information that's all all it is is information sir you want public property all right have a nice day see John all we doing is asking people don't have to take it you're not an idiot wh a whale an idiot you called me a whale earlier let's stick with the program yeah ID I can see John

84:05getting a little Furious here thank thank God John doesn't have a knife or he else he'd bury me right here as he said when did he say that though oh he said it earlier in the video oh let me hear the beginning where he said he'd bury him this is the closest I've ever been to evil in my life like literally come on he's just doing his job you're lucky you don't have a knife I'm lucky you don't have a knife so you would stab me if you had a knife wow oh you kill me right here no I bury you right you would bury me right here you wouldn't even bother to put me in the mass Graves come on up folks it's just information that's all it is just information John doesn't want to stab me and bury me here I just take the leaflet he's a great guy Mike's a great guy try to support him as well he's being sued of course he's actually having his wages uh garnished because marine land what

84:55they do is they use these lawsuits and then they propose all these different motions so it's like sort of a a function inside the lawsuit well what happens is during these motions is it can go either way right a lawyer can can win a motion against another lawyer whether it be a lawsuit or not but what happens is in that process there becomes a cost award so unfortunately for Mike he got a cost award against him and he couldn't afford whatever the price was of course marine land will say an inflated price to say well this cost us $25,000 to have to bring him in here and so the judge awarded $10,000 or so Mike's having his wages garnished now this is not a man who broke the law this is a man who opposed uh the policies and and the practices of Marin land this is because of this right here because of that right there so he's having his wages garnished to the tune of how much I think he said

85:3930% a month for how long or 30% per paycheck he still owes quite a bit of money how much does he ow I think he owes in a range of six or 7,000 at this point and he just lost his lawyer we we actually had the similar lawyers he's he's looking for a lawyer so this is a public plea if there are any lawyers in Canada that are looking to make a name for themselves and uh help ourselves or Mike Garrett like yes please get involved and if you do help I'll tweet it out if you do help I'll put it up online and I'll let people know that you're doing a good thing Joe while you're here I just want to you to take a look at this print we've had made this is from a uh just an absolute sick graffiti artist named Ewok Brooklyn say save smooshy marine land is that that t-shirt this is this t-shirt that I'm giving to you so I'll hold it up yeah this is uh courtesy of lofty Towers

86:21is a place in Niagara Falls that that generously printed it for us and then of course Ewok one you got to see this guy's work it's fantastic and it's basically if you look at it You' got the wall you've got the walrus smooshi who's basically giving the finger to what appears to be an old man uh who's with a shirt that says bury me with my money who's got you know some shackles around it and it says it sort of looks like it says marand on the bottom I don't know if it actually does but um so that's the old dude supposedly I don't think I don't know I have no idea doesn't look like him right good totally not him no not can't possibly be him definitely not slave but there's a nice shirt for you to wear when you're doing some gardening or raising your chickens in the back there I'll use that for sure it's much appr man it's I hate hearing stories like that I hate hearing I hate hearing

87:07what's ultimately human failure that's like a a civilization failure societal cultural failure this this old creepy that's getting away with I mean you could just tell in that video is disgusting this whole thing is disgusting guy wants to continue his slave business and he's he's out there himself getting his own hands dirty he's worth more money than I can even conceive and yet all he wants is the power he's so old too like if I was worth that much money does he have a wife he has a wonderful wife in fact yes wonderful yeah she's a she's a she's a very nice kind say if I if I didn't Costa Rica yeah exactly be all about hookers and Coke until the heart stops he likes to hunt you'd think he'd just be out hunting steady like just go do the thing that you like the most but what he likes the most what appears to be is to be a tyrant you know I watched that episode of you and Lance Armstrong

87:58and I thought it was really great it really humanized the situation he was in but the thing the the thing that he expressed the most uh the regret was when he ultimately was uh was uh I forget the word he used but like throwing all these lawsuits against yeah he up he up that that was a up but that was some reget would be 100% in support of him that's the I mean cuz he was you know it's like have you ever seen the bill bur bit where he's on Conan we talked about it it's hilarious I haven't but I'm learning about Bill Burr now actually and I find his comedy amazing it's one of the best ever that new show that he's got F is for I watched episode the other was it's really good it's on Netflix folks if you want to watch it it's an animated series called f is for family and he's just a great guy he's just he's the real deal Bill Burr is the real deal he's just one

88:44of the best guys ever and um he had this amazing bit about Lance Armstrong being that like you know basically his his words were our psychopath beat your psychopath like the whole Sports on steroids they're all on drugs and it's true he became the face unfortunately he was pegged for being the guy and I mean he had the all the accolades he the image so and which also means he had the most to lose but the thing that he expressed most was he regretted uh yeah you know rues I mean he was trying to keep this whole thing going this guy what he's doing is just normal it's what people do you know when power when people have established power they try to protect it he recognizes all the benefits that he's had for that power and he doesn't want to step down and relinquish it and also if he did he would have to somehow or another admit that what he was doing is wrong and I

89:33assume that marine land is still making money uh it still makes some money a little bit I think attendance is down significantly yeah and funny because tourism is up in Niagara Falls but I think if you guys really want to uh get a uh a good perspective there was a podcast that I was recently on called Canada land and it's a it's a big podcast that was it's it's hosted by an investigative journalist uh Jesse Brown and he's very meticulous and's very thorough in his uh in his work and he had and he's detailed this exchange between he and Marine lands marketing no one put a name on it it's got to be Marine lands lawyers I don't know but nonetheless if you want to see how they operate and how far they're willing to go to suppress what I say and the information that we provide do go to the candal land podcast and check it out um they've threatened to sue him they've

90:17vowed to sue to what they call judgment and that's a quote um but that's just the way they operate if you I mean you yourself Joe and I hate to say it but it would be a dream if they threatened to sue you it's not going to happen but uh why would they sue me first of all I'm a American you can't sue me with your goofy Kangaroo Court you suck my dick he's suing Americans right now I'm trying to threaten him look at that and I'll drive by his house I how about that I'll just say nice things to him I won't even threaten him yeah that canaland podcast really details it all it was it was really well done I just think the whole thing it's a eventually when you look at it historically I think um my friend Amber Lion had a great quote when she was talking about uh when she used to work for CNN um it's I love this quote it's being on the wrong side of History yeah exactly and that's what

91:09this guy is he's on the wrong side of History yeah like when it all boils down you're going to look like an ugly monster yeah I don't know what he's trying to what type of Legacy he's trying to protect at this point and the funny thing is all he's doing is making lawyers Rich he's not making me broke it's not working I mean to a certain extent it is old rich do they sue you you know I mean that's common practice they have that's their Avenue of getting back at you for talking he exists in a different world he is an old man and he born in a world where there was no internet and he's experiencing the ramifications of this time that we're in and also the new information that exists now where we understand that these practices that they've been engaging in for decades are cruel and inhumane and and disgusting they're disgusting there's no other way to say it yeah Marine

91:59captivity of mammals like that is disgusting yeah indeed where is it going to go man like where how long can this guy keep dragging you around the courts well unfortunately there was uh some changes to um the law society's laws and where it used to be I believe three years of inactivity in a lawsuit you can you can file a motion to have it thrown out that's it been extended as of I think it was March of last year to 5 years so we got a lot of things going against us so you have two more years of inactivity before they could sue you I I I mean I don't know I'm not a lawyer but this is my understanding of what was an opportunity before that is no longer there but the idea is at some point he himself has to play by the rules of the courts he's going to have to be examined he's the one that's got the information that we want we want to go get that information this is information that

92:47Marland is steadfast right now in isolating or rather insulating any type of of uh of of witnesses I mean he himself is a witness to all the things that he's alleging against us he should be the one that is responding to the lawsuit instead they give us this uh this uh this glorified janitor what the does this janitor have to do with our lawsuit we want to look at your financial files you're claiming Financial losses in in in the region of theer what are you talking about so what marine land does and this this shouldn't surprise anyone is rather than be like okay look I'm suing you so you can take a look at my files I'm going to present to you the the net losses Financial losses of uh that I'm claiming and then you're going to to defend against this information well instead they they gave me this this janitor well what the hell's what the hell's that got to do

93:29with anything we don't want to we don't want to they gave you a janitor for what like look through his he's going to give us the files apparently that we're looking that that is going to give context to the lawsuit it's nonsense Joe it's just another means that I have to fight and spend a lot of money to try to get to the to to the root of it all which is the the legitimacy of the lawsuit which there is none I'm being sued for plotting to steal a walrus what it's all about my laws plotting to steal smooshy my lawsuit is plotting to steal smooshy my girlfriend's lawsuit is defamation in the sense that she expressed concern for the lone remaining killer whale Kisa which was bleeding profusely from her tail and her her uh her talk with the with the Toronto Sun or rather the Toronto Star which is the uh newspaper that revealed all the sort of that did the investigation of marine

94:16land so she's being sued and they had a video and in the video you see the killer wh bleeding like crazy I don't know how you can call that defamation and then there's another lawsuit called uh but that's uh that's going against Jim Hammond he's a former land Animal Care supervisor and he's the one that witnessed John holler shoot the dogs uh on his property for no reason I mean that can't be defended it's indefensible these were these were golden labs these are puppy dogs they're not coyotes and these were his neighbors and the neighbors uh were afraid to press charges because they thought that JN would sue them they probably thought right I mean the police themselves said to me we can't lay this charge on him because he's going to lawyer us he's going to he's going to lawyer us oh God yeah it's it's really a Stonewall they're putting up so he just that's his

94:57just strategy he just sues it's a war of attrition he's Su understand what he's I don't understand how the courts are allowing him to sue for this this doesn't make any sense because it because we've gotten nowhere in terms of trying to prove the legitimacy of it it's just the process itself in and of itself is is is punishing to people like me so his idea is not let's go to court it's let's put him through the ringer so that he goes broke and ultimately the only way I can get out of this law is if I sign something say I'm not going to talk anymore well that I'm not going to not talk I'm going to continue to to talk I'm going to continue to get my ass on these podcasts and spread my word and get a louder and louder voice I mean that's my that's my resolve so you think ultimately this has to somehow or another come to a trial it absolutely has to or he has to drop the charges and

95:42then him I am suing him he's yet to respond to it this is something again that normally lawsuits have 30 days this has been 3 years and they've not responded well how does that work how come how come you have to respond but he doesn't have to respond they've what they've done is essentially or what I believe they've done allegedly is they've uh hijacked the process is what it's called where you just inundate the courts with a bunch of different things and every time a court date seems to come up it gets adjourned or we do in fact I mean recently I'd lost my lawyer he's moved away so I was having to find another one marand pounced immediately called for emotion all of a sudden okay so now I'm defending or now rather it happened to my girlfriend that she got had to go in but my Court dat ultimately did get adjourned because uh my girlfriend was successful in actually

96:27having the the motion adjourned despite the fact that they're continuing with these motions it's hard to explain I'm not a lawyer I can't really get down to the nitty-gritty of it all I can only just offer you the perspective of someone who's being punished uh unjustly with a with a with a process that just in is inherently uh uh uh abusive it's an abusive process it's really discouraging welcome to my world man and I'm still trying to to put food on it table I mean I still got a life to try to live I mean here I was 3 35 when when this thing happened I'm 38 years old I'm going to what so I get to look forward to resetting my life and try to pursue some personal Endeavors at what 45 is that when is that when I finally get to be freed of this thing I mean I'm an activist yes okay call me an activist but you know when this is all said and done I'm also a human being that wants

97:12to do stuff in life what are you doing for work these days um I do some uh actually recently I was a paw Bearer For Hire that was interesting a lot of people don't have families so I'd get a call and say say you want to come help carry this casket okay absolutely Jesus Christ carrying dead bodies welc to that' be great for the book there's another thing that's the problem writing a book well absolutely yeah that's a problem well it's a problem because getting a publisher is tough right now I mean if you're going to publish my words you're going to be sued you know I assume there was a documentary that that was in its initial stages it is gone there was a big story in outside magazine that was coming out this was this was the feature piece it got quashed a lot of people show Fear when it comes to lawsuits thankfully Ontario passed what's called anti-s slap

97:56legislation we got the thing and I I'd mentioned this in the earlier podcast we were getting anti-s slap legislation the problem is and there's a major conflict of interest is that Ontario's premere she herself had a slap suit against one of the uh uh mpps during the elections she launched the lawsuit so that they couldn't talk about this controversial issue which was this gas plant Scandal and so what she did when she reintroduced the bill is that she took out the Retro Clause this was our home run dude we were out not only that Marine line was going to be up against some major punitive damages like as per the letter of the law they took out it being retro it's no longer retroactive it doesn't apply to us it's Insanity because this one woman well she's the premier of Ontario her I can't say that not going to help me what's her name I appreciate did Kathleen win

98:42you Kathleen how dare you hell yeah man I didn't sayare remember I didn't say that how dare you felt it but I didn't say it God damn it oh it's cruel man that what I've come to learn involving yourself in any type of government process and everything else is that it's hey it's thankless work I mean it's brutal and uh it rarely to ever actually goes your way I swear to you I've had an arrow striking the bullseye and every time it just glances uh every time but I'm not discouraged look I'm on this show man this a dream come true it happened again I cannot believe it so uh good things to come I just got to keep focused good things to come it's just so bizarre that no one from the government recognizes what a horrible thing this is not just in terms of the Injustice that's being done but also in terms of the pr for their legal system it is recognized it's lar it it's been uh

99:31expressed in uh at Queens Park in provincial legislature these are abusive lawsuits and like we had a an MPP stand up Sher denovo and she's just like when is this going to stop I mean she's pounding her fist and everything else and what happens well unfortunately she's it was a political issue and she's not a member of the liberal party she's part of the new Democratic party and that's the that's uh uh you guys have a liberal party we we have a liberal party that's in power across on both the federal and uh uh provincial legisl your king is a liberal right King The King you guys are King right Justin Trudeau yeah I like that guy hey he's the one that's going to legalize marijuana in Canada we'll see he seems like a cool guy I've I've seen him talk I'm like I wish we had a candidate for the United States President like that he's the one who we're trying to get attention to see if

100:14we can't get support for this uh for this bill we're getting to ban the Wales and dolphin captivity well he definitely should be a part of that and he definitely should step in and do something about what's happening with you have you guys tried to contact him about that uh I've not but that's this is something that's governed with by um onario provincial yeah yeah so he there's nothing he could do about that but they did he's the king he's the king yeah that's right heavy is the crown yeah what the you can't just step in You' think he'd tap on the shoulder now granted uh uh I remember touring a lot of uh public figures in in and around when during my time at Marin land including Jean who was a former Prime Minister's son who still goes there so there's still some uh government ties to marand of course Mar he still goes there like he visits he brings uh some people

100:58to to scuba di with the uh with the beluga whales people people with with like disadvantages physically and stuff it's it's a great program right but uh that I know of he was continuing going up until 2012 at least I don't know that he still goes I haven't been in the park in that long it just seems like Canada has so many great things going for it and I when I hear lawsuits like this and that are so insane that last for so long and then that your counter lawsuit doesn't get any traction at all and that no one's paying attention to it I just don't understand how they can allow that to happen that's a good thing there's a lot of people helping us right I mean because it it appears that it's going to be the will of the people versus the will of the government yeah man don't discourage me man I know that I know how I'm I hold I'm I hold deep in man I know it well it's just uh

101:45it's so frustrating it's so frustrating as an observer as an outsider looking at this and saying man this is just so strange it's it's so strange that in this day and age this can happen and someone can get away with this he hasn't gotten away with it yet I ain't done but he's getting away with what he's doing so far where I mean literally the government should shut him the down they should have stopped this lawsuit they should have enforced your lawsuit against him they should arrest him for stalking the whole deal the whole deal it's just it's it's all disgusting I've become quite jaded and I and admittedly I believed even when we came out that there would be some type of Justice that's what we were seeking of course wasn't doing this for shits and giggles money is draining that Justice when you speak to power you can expect some serious consequences it's as simple as

102:32that but it's so insane that the charge is attempting to kidnap a walrus correct and trespassing and oh here's a challenge and I offer this to all your millions of viewers and listeners you find a single video of the last day I can't remember I think it was April I think I believe it was uh oh why do I not know the date of this let's uh let's call it October 17th I believe 2012 Marine line alleges that I broke into the park with these Legions of animal rights activists which which actually did happened not I wasn't there I I was on public property I did not go into the park but you know hundreds did actually storm the gates and what Marine line alleges is that I trespassed in there and there's tons of videos I mean you can get 15 different uh Vantage points if any single person finds me in that video I will personally cut you a check for $1.5 million if that doesn't

103:19get you you don't have $1.5 million how about you offer I don't have $ 1.5 million blow I'll blow you I'll blow you on well it's not going to happen right so worry about it there's no video of it they're going to photoshop you in there just for a blow job someone's going to someone use that CGI they did with Avatar I think I can negotiate my way out of it I'll give him 1.5 I mean handob marand thinks they're getting 1.5 out of me that's what they want $1.5 million yeah out of the J the guy who essentially is but put it this way that's what they're trying to sue you for $1.5 million yeah that's the damages they're claiming what's that in real money in terms of like outside of Canada like America where it counts oh let's call it a million bones it's a million bones your money's worth more isn't it right now it's worth significantly less that's why I'm drinking all the free

104:02beers I can while I'm here well we'll send you some I don't think it's legal can you send beer across the border probably not it's probably drugs thought of it is a drug right well we'll see what Justin Trudeau can do about that man so um have you gotten any traction on any other shows like any anybody else reached out to you well that candal land podcast was timely and big and it was great do they get a lot of uh downloads it's it's still going it only was published two weeks ago okay Canada land is what it's called yeah and uh do you know what episode it is it's called everyone loves marine land okay everyone loves marine land it's their second most recent uh send people to that what about uh American podcast have uh people um um Abby Martin thankfully has had me on a couple number of times I mean and through the show I've I've received quite a bit of support from like what I

104:48would call some real badass awesome people so I'm I'm most appreciative but beyond that no there there's really quite a bit of fear of of of my speaking so there are mostly in Canada right uh mostly in can in America outside magazine they they quashed that story I mean this is going to be a big feature how did that happen do you know do you know what the mechanism is yeah so the uh the writer was staying at our place and at the time uh I believe we had uh there were um uh there were people watching us and I had specifically said because his his rental vehicle was parked across and here he was sitting on the couch and you know we were talking talking I looked and it was a truck that repeatedly drove by and stopped and went to the end other end of the street turned around I said you're being you're being watched like and he's just like you know I I think at this point he

105:31didn't truly appreciate the depths that we were in and at this point I don't we weren't even sued yet and uh sure as marand named him by name the author and uh and that was it so he he he wouldn't I mean he he tried to get the the the the article to run but outside ultimately said like we're not interested in being sued now it's a different time there's anti-ap legis now so outside if you're listening but well why didn't they just shut their mouth until they published it uh how did they find out he was look he was asking Uh current and former employees to see if anyone would speak and then obviously there was someone I went to okay you know when you live when you worked in an oppressive sort of regime if you will you're you're quick to try to score bonus points I assume a former trainer or someone probably said hey this guy's calling around looking

106:18for something what other businesses that guy have they're all in-host businesses but yeah he's got he owns a lot of property he has he owes no one any money there's no outside uh financial interest whatsoever he is the sole controlling mind it seems like guy like that needs a come to Jesus moment where just realizing it's like what am I doing my life is I mean he's at the later stages of his life and he's living like this suing people it's all anger and evil and I hate to mention it but a couple years ago a few years ago and this was my greatest Ally his son actually passed away and this was a guy who actually allowed me into the park when I when unbeknownst to me I was no longer allowed there he let me in and that's when I saw you know smooshi in the condition that she was in that ultimately inspired me to sort of speak out and and not be anonymous and uh he

107:02shortly thereafter actually passed away and he was my age how did he die I I'm afraid to say but I'll say that it was I would I believe it was avoidable I think that when you live under an oppressive and difficult situation especially with regards to your relationship with your father that maybe you resort to methods to to ease that pain maybe so to to sort of uh I don't know maybe forget your woes so something drug related I don't know you don't know okay I understand what you're doing yeah cheers it's cool thanks so um so what's the next step like what what happens now other than tell everybody to go to Safe smoosh she.com throw some money around the next step would be nice if maybe Peta would step up I mean you know it's in terms of hypocrisy Peta likes to to to use our headlines and to raise money for themselves on their websites and they donate here look how

107:58do you save Marin LS animals donate here we've not received an iota of help in fact I asked them look can you can I just get a tweet out of you guys and they said oh it's a nonprofit we've learned that that doesn't help and then wait a minute hold on so they say donate here to them to help you and the money goes to them to help them they know they don't they don't ever say to help you to help you it's just that they use that stories they'll be like oh Mass Graves found at Marin land and then you know there's the article and it's oh it's horrifying Phil the mer says donate here and then donate donate here is the donate to pea yeah it's tough man well they're too busy killing cats and dogs and tweeting you on Orca day yeah I mean tweeting Joe Rogan the guy who's who's throwing arrows into every animal that uh you know and and they're they're asking you for retweets I thought

108:39actually thought that was brilliant I'm like wow peta's like really uh they're they're sort of showing their true colors but well they know that I do love orcas yeah I just love to eat deer right fair enough I don't thr hours into everything man Ed only edible stuff but I mean they they've they've retweeted things that I've posted up about um about orcas and uh particularly about my my loathing of orca captivity and I think there there's new laws that have been passed in California right so recently SeaWorld so what happened with SeaWorld they had to ask uh a permission from the California Coastal commission for $100 million expansion of their pools of the existing pools what they've said is uh we're going to eliminate the show which is not true it's not true in any capacity what they're going to do is create a new environment a larger one which is good but they're still going to

109:33have a presentation of sorts that's going to rely on you know animals performing more natural behaviors but still there's going to be food deprivation in the train there's going to be you know it's the same thing it's just it's it's it's presented differently so what the C what the California Coastal commission said was look we'll we'll Grant you permission to make this large expanse but you can't breed uh orcas anymore so what SeaWorld basically said was okay well a they've they've considered not doing it all together B now they're suing the California Coastal commission alleging that they they've overstepped their boundaries but what's really so they want to keep breeding them exactly doesn't that tell you everything they're all of a sudden they're not going to going to create this large habitat for the existing animals that they supposedly care so much for but if

110:16there's that clause for breeding no they're not going to do it I mean that says it all really it does wow so they're not going to create the new larger environment just because they're not allowed to breed them because they've got this CLA well they're going to sue I assume to try to have that overturned where which I hope the California Coastal commission would reconsider their uh their approval of they should step it up and just make the whole thing illegal Jerry Brown come on Jerry Brown you're a hippie there is a there is a recently tabled bill which is a federal ban across the states for uh Orca captivity they should they should it's 100% I mean there I wish there was a way that they could hook up a machine to uh a pond or a pool or an Orca is and have that Orca communicate and have it break broken down to English you know we have Google Translate for Russian and you

110:59know Spanish how about an orca translate if they if they figured out a way to scientifically uh without debate analyze the sounds and and break them down into an English language that we could could read and understand yeah people would be mortified oh my God what if orcas just started saying really racist they just hate Chinese people well they have reason well maybe not the orcas but dolphins and and whatnot have reason to hate uh the people of taii Japan who are just repeatedly yeah hacking them up and then of course in the Pharaoh Islands where and I watched the video of or documentary on What's called the grind is when they uh they they they do these Drive Fisheries is what they do they drive the animals they're they're Sonic animals so you you know pound the bottom of the ocean floor or these metal rods into other steel structures and then that herds the animals onto the land

111:48well what they do here in the Pharaoh Islands is they grab these Hooks and they embed it in the blo hole of the uh of the pilot whales for instance and there's a long rope and then the people drag these things up and then they go up and hack their throat right they want to call it subsist subsistance hunting but it's hard to call that subsistence hunting maybe historically it has been but it's pretty brutal so they eat the pilot whales is that what it is they eat the pilot whales yeah but I I I'm I'm of the opinion that it's it's a it's a cultural thing and uh they're on the wrong side of history now you've done it it's done it's documented you got the photos if you will the history is there let it be there keep it in the history books well it's one of those things where if you look at the environments where they eat whales they there's there're people starving you

112:33know it's desperation in those places I'm not going to argue subsistence eating and hunting is important I don't doubt that but in the Pharaoh Islands across from where they're doing the grind is a is a vast beautiful cityscape like you can't tell me you can't just go grab a couple eggs and uh make yourself an omelet I don't know yeah I know what you're saying the dolphin thing in uh the movie The Cove which is what you uh talked about about Japan they um they tried they were killing him because they were eating the tuna right isn't that the idea behind it they will use anything to defend the culture of killing these Dolphins but really it's fueled by the Captivity industry those dolphins are invaluable and and places like and I'm not going to say SeaWorld now because it's been a number of years but they have they have historically acquired animals from these Drive

113:15Fisheries but they buy these animals and these Hunters are driving around Porsches and it's not because they're they're chopping these the Dolphins up for me it's not that's not the that's not the thriving industry it's the Captivity industry they're selling them when they're killing all those why would they kill them if they could sell them well they well because they're not aesthetically pleasing they take they take so many of the animals they take the more aesthetically pleasing ones they sell them for the you know the tens of thousands versus or hundreds of thousands of dolls and then they chop up the Dolphins and then they uh they they they whatever I guess they they give them the supermarkets and whatnot but they give them the supermarkets dophins yeah I've never eaten dolphin I've been in Japan I never ate Dolphins but uh in Japan they eat dolphin they have I think

113:52that's that's something that's that's going away I think the the the new sort of um generations of kids are I didn't watch The Cove cuz I didn't want to see it because I've seen enough YouTube videos of it it's just it's horrific I I can't watch but it's murder I didn't know that they ate them yeah well and what we're coming to learn is that there's a high levels of mercury in this in the dolphin meat so they're it's actually poisoning people so people are really getting away from that but more than not I think it's a front to keep the Captivity industry going and to keep that money there because they sell them to places in China they sell them to places in uh you know wherever in in Japan itself and there's a lot of money that's being exchanged between the uh facilities and the and the hunters so outside of Canada and the United States there's a bunch of places in the world

114:35that still have those sort of marine type shows China especially right now China is really starting to is like a burgeoning environment for the Captivity industry so they're ramping it up they're they're they're plucking elephants out of uh out of out of Thailand and stuff I mean I mean wild caught wild born baby elephants they're stripping them from their aunt from their mothers and they're shipping them to these places in China now these zoos I mean this is another thing that has to stop now right China damn that dog festival's rough yeah the Ulin Dog Festival I watched that the other day on TV there was um some sort of a special this this woman goes over there it was it was interesting though the way the Chinese people looked at it you know and it's hard to argue you know they're looking at the same way we look at bacon it offers great perspective for

115:23the people that are for instance saying I will never eat this dog well guess what like it's not any different it's no less a conscious being than your your pigs who are arguably significantly more intelligent than uh than dogs or your cows or your whatever I mean it is what it is but it does offer a glimpse into the hypocrisy of loving one animal and eating the next so I appreciate that this thing offers that context it's bizarre how we have these ideas these hierarchies of animals where this one's it's okay to kill and eat them this one it's not it seems more novelty based really yeah cuz I mean you can make a hell of a hell of a pet out of a pig but what it's less cute well there was a guy who had a pig the other day where the were we um somewhere here in California a guy had a pig on a leash awesome yeah with a dog he has a dog and a pig and he had the pig on a leash like

116:11okay I I don't quote me but the intelligence of a pig is I I from what I believe I remember they're very smart 10-year-old or something human like my kid because it's so much smarter exact my kid no um they're supposed to be intelligent I don't know if they're like a 10-year-old but they they're supposed to be quite intelligent it's hard to it's hard to quantify you know like octopus they're just starting to realize how intelligent octopus are course I eat the out of O tuna yeah t tuna intelligent apparently brilliant yeah really yeah well to some I guess wasn't smart enough to stay out of the cans cans are tuna you know what I'm saying our the ocean fish iies are decimated I think we've got basically an expiry date of uh I think they said uh 2040 I I watched a uh documentary called end of the lion recently and they basically said that 90% of the ocean fisheries are

117:04gone and tuna especially is really susceptible to Extinction news it's just because we just overfish over fish and and the methods that we do it I mean you got these Tri you got these trollers that are that are put setting up nets that the size of football field and they're just grinding the the ocean floor and it's just decimating the ocean yeah it ruins the the beds the ecology as a whole it up coral reefs everything and what what could be done about that I mean they've got to leave it alone and let these things grow back it all comes down to what you can do with your wallet if you don't if you're not spending the money to go to uh you know um nou and get that uh that that piece of tofu or rather that tofu uh that piece of tuna then uh then you assume that in some way shape or form that that's going to that's going to curb this Behavior but well there's

117:51got to be the problem is also that the ocean is not like like if you're in a country and the country establishes like bag limits on animals they can keep the populations very healthy can't really do that with a ocean no one's governing the oceans very aggressively well if they were this whole thing in China or Japan wouldn't be taking place with the dolphins the only people that are doing it is sea sheeper and unfortunately um uh Paul Watson is like considered a terrorist in a lot of countries and can't actually set foot on on sound on on firm land right some countries it's funny he's the one that's being like uh demonized for for really trying to save the planet well the one of the things they've done in Japan where they've sort of skirted around this whale killing thing is they say that they're doing it for scientific research but then they take these animals on

118:41board and they butcher them and they sell the meat yeah it but it's so up all they have to do is like pretend to run a few tests and they've documented this sea sheeper has done that they've documented of these Whalers and they're doing it in whale sanctuaries right they're doing it in places where it shouldn't be done but it's not monitored by anyone except for sea sheeper right end of the world brother it it's not though not because this is the first time ever where people are widely aware of this kind of activity and this is where I credit this show I'm telling you I'm sitting here before you as a fan first and foremost you've illuminated so many issues and like broadened my my the spectrum of my Consciousness so much I am now I can tell you I am in the of that of the your millions of of listeners I am that person right now saying to himself damn I wish I could be

119:29on that show I just happen to do something that you know my my life circumstances just ultimately led me here but I am that guy and I have to extend another you know a big uh thank you for ultimately shaping uh a paradigm that is Shifting so goddamn fast on so many different levels and so many different topics out there and largely what you did started what six years ago I believe it was when you started the podcast uh you know you're the guy who did did this so uh well I couldn't have done it if it wasn't for people like you being on the show all I'm doing is having conversations with cool people it's this whole thing has made itself it's very bizarre I love that my ass is is in some way making physical contact with some awesome asses that have sat here man you know we're sharing that's an interesting way of looking at it I love it I love him rubbing up against

120:13this going oh NE the grass here you right on he wasn't in that one those old old seats I should mention these are pretty comfortable do right yeah they are thanks to Ergo Depot for uh providing me with these These are called capisco chairs cuz people constantly ask me on Twitter they're super comfortable they're ergonomic chairs they move well too well they move well but here's the most important thing these are the only chairs I have ever sat in that are comfortable that I can sit for a three-hour podcast and my back doesn't hurt it's got the lumbar supporting yeah well when I leave well it's just it forces you to sit in a way where you're erect which is how we're supposed to sit and when I would sit in like a standard office chair by the end of the day my back's all up from Jiu-Jitsu so like the middle of my back would be hurting like hell be like ah like i'

120:58leave podcast and I'd be all stiff I leave these like I like I just like I feel right now like I just sat down like it doesn't bother me at all yeah full disclosure I was moving in my seat because I'm just fidgety guy not because I Wast these ergonomic chairs man they are the future they are the they are the present they're they're they're they're so much better than a regular office chair regular office chairs cause you to sit in a sort of a weird way unless you consciously like I need to get these things to the UFC cuz when I sit and watch the UFC for 6 hours I sit like a hot chick on Instagram like when they stick their ass out that's how I sit I purposely forced myself to sit in this unnatural way whereas if I had chairs like this I would just uh yeah so Ergo Depot Hollow at me we'll send these over to the UFC and but that's actually like the UFC has um you know

121:49they use the chairs that are there at the manderlay bay or M GM or whatever but my point is these are the yeah they're great um anything else before we wrap this thing up everything else I can talk for hours man wrap it up and let me is there anything else important that we left off the table oh um cuz I know you got a whole notebook there dude you're like a comedian you have like notes it's my process oh egg gag laws you're familiar with egg gag laws this is the agriculture laws that uh factory farming that's a perfect example sort of what we're going through this is a microcosm of what we're dealing with you know Marland sort of gets creative and sort of creating their own little lot egg G sort of procedure with existing laws but yeah these AG gag laws are just a just an absolute just a horrible thing I mean to to to be able to uh prosecute and punish people that are trying to

122:35expose the truth of uh farming and agriculture uh practices this is absurd this is crazy right yeah well what they're doing is if people have a video uh like a cell phone video or something like that and you film pigs in captivity or chickens or anything in agriculture where they have factory farming you can get sued yeah exactly and you can go to jail yeah like you can go to jail for exposing something that makes people sick and a reality of a business if you're buying something I feel like if I'm buying a chicken and uh then I find out oh I can no longer be detached from this process because now I know exactly how this chicken lived and I feel horrible about it I've been educated and so that company needs to change its practic because I don't want to buy chickens from them anymore and if some people do that's fine with them but to stop people from filming that and

123:28showing you well you're trying to keep people in the dark you're misleading people but you're you're you're hiding facts you're hiding truth that's not cool this is this is exactly what we're dealing with in reality right it's just the same thing yeah it is it is it is exactly the same thing hiding truth hiding reality and and and trying to keep people from being aware of what's essentially torture you know I buy as little meat as possible and no eggs I don't buy any eggs from anywhere unless I'm in a restaurant or something like that you have your own chicken I have my own chickens and I I have a like i' I have a a good feeling when my chickens like me they come to me like I I I come out to them and I bring food they like what's up kids hey girls and I put plate down they they're not scared of me they run over and they lay eggs and I take the eggs sometimes they Peck

124:20at me when I try to steal their eggs but I like reach under them to take them but they're barely you know they don't know me that good you could take them but my point is it's it's like I enjoy that relationship and I know that not everybody can have that sort of a relationship but that is what you want if you want eggs like Peeta has these really ridiculous campaigns against chickens and against eggs where they call it a chicken period and they have a frying pan on their website with a pair of panties that has like a a a bloody spot on the panties and you're frying the period it's so bizarre have you ever seen it Jamie pull it up if periods tasted as good as eggs I don't think there'd be an issue but CES don't taste that bad e Jesus come on how dare you tastes like a penny what's the problem e how dare you keep going um the problem is captivity it's not eggs Joel Salon who is a really

125:15fascinating guy I had him on my podcast and he's an advocate of of what you would call Natural farming when he pi when he um has pigs what he does is he puts this enormous um Electrical Fence up and the pigs they don't want to go near the fence it sort of it doesn't hurt them but zaps them so they don't pass it and then they move the fence so they continue to graze in new property so they're eating acorns and roots and all natural things that pigs eat and that's what he does with these pigs with chickens the same thing he has these enormous chicken houses and they roll them to new environments and so on his farm this chicken house um the the the hen house has rollers on it and they'll move it to a new area and the chickens my chickens I open the gates and my chickens run around my yard and then they go back in the hen house at night it's what they do it's also stimulating

126:04for them because they get a new environment all the time yes and they're free they're literally free and when you get eggs from those kind of chickens they're a dark orange like a really dark like deep orange and that's it's cuz it's much healthier that when you see something that says like vegetarian fed chickens get guess what chickens aren't vegetarians they're dinosaurs I fed my chickens a mouse once and here's another example of like the hierarchy of animals we love and animals we don't love it's really interesting how this happened in my house um my kids found a hawk the hawk uh slammed uh into uh I think a window or something not sure we weren't there but we found this wounded Hawk so my kids decided that what we're going to do is we're going to take this Hawk and get it to a wildlife rescue organization so they had to feed it because it was over the weekend and the

126:56rescue organization wasn't open so they went to the pet store and they got they're called pinkies which are these little tiny mice yeah to the people listening they're mice that haven't they're baby mice and they use them to feed snakes and stuff like that and so they fed the hawk these pinkies and there was one pinky left and they got the hawk to the wildli rescue organization the hawk was taken care of and everything and hopefully it was released into the wild but we had one pinky left over and my daughter wanted to raise it and I said sweetie this is going to die it's not we we it has to eat milk it's only been alive for a few days it's just not going to last and my maze is still alive and she was crying and I said but we just fed them to the Hawks do you understand this I go there's one of two things we should do I go we should either bring it back to the

127:41pet store no I go listen if we don't bring it back to the pet store it's going to die we bring it back to the pet store the pets pet store um I don't know if the Mouse will accept it now that we've got our scent on it I don't know how that works but they're going to feed it to a snake they're just going to resell it someone's going to someone's going to buy it or it might die because it hasn't eaten in 24 hours I don't know and our other option is we give it to the chickens and there was all this crying and this and that at this point had you known that the chicken was likely to eat this thing or I knew it I've seen them eat a mouse before really they're ruthless dude they're ruthless like I put that Mouse down it was not down on the ground for a half a second when one chicken slammed it got it in his beak and the other chickens were chasing this chicken

128:29around the chi the hen house like this chicken couldn't pause to try to eat this because all the other chickens knew what it had and they were running around it couldn't it couldn't stop it was running and it's trying to eat it and the other chickens are running with it and it was just I should have filmed it I had no idea dude they're monsters they pretty ruthless with each other and they like to Peck the out of each other they Peck everything here's what's up man man they Peck my daughter a couple times and one time I almost killed one of them cuz it pecked her face and um my wife is like it doesn't know I go listen listen it's trying to eat her it just can't do you need to get this in your head it's not that it doesn't know it knows she's alive and it's trying to eat her and if we held her down those chickens would eat her she's like you just you you get

129:13crazy with this I go I'm telling you right now they are dinosaurs they are coldblooded they're they have they have the brain of a pencil eraser okay little tiny on the tip of your pencil that's how big their brain is walk fight exactly they'll eat everything they follow my wife around like sh like lift up rocks and they dive under the rocks to try to get worms and anything that's there they're little Predators man they're are straight up Predators so when you see like vegetarian fed those aren't those aren't good eggs you're not doing any service to that they're omnivores they're omnivores and they would eat meat all day long above grass if you gave it to them they like that more like my lawn is filled with grass and they Peck at the grass and they eat all kinds of other stuff too and they eat the chicken food that we buy we try to buy the most nutritious chicken food

129:58available and there's some brands that are like more more diverse and the the the the food and the nutrients that are in them but the bottom line is they abandon all that and they see something live they try to eat living things that's what they want to do so that's the thing we got to be scared of most is chickens that are going to get big which're is lucky they're little yeah well you ever heard of Terror Birds I like to tell people that all the time it's just like if you don't think that that cat wouldn't eat you if it was just a significantly larger believe me you'd have a different respect for oh yeah for a the animal and the idea that you know eating meat is yeah dude yeah like a large moth bass if you're swimming in a pool big enough for large Mo Bast to eat you you're done like a grouper have you ever seen those giant groupers in Florida they would eat

130:34a baby 100% baby was floating around grouper would come up there was a Nutty video of a grouper eating a shark I saw it isn't that crazy crazy how big the shark was like 3et long swallow it just put it right in his mouth Mammoth animal it's like a a giant large mouth Bass from a Hobbit movie they don't even seem real I don't know how big they get but I think it's hundreds and hundreds of pounds what about that massive here it is these people they caught a shark and they they put the camera in the water to film this this grouper that's uh coming up to the shark so they have a small shark on the hook and as they're reeling it in and they're bringing it in they this video could use some editing and as they're reeling it in they've got this shark it's a not a small shark it's about 3T long maybe even more it might even be 4T and this grouper comes along and smashes

131:25it as they're trying to get it out of the water look at this boom Jesus Christ I mean that grouper has got to be two 300 lb I don't know how big they get but I would assume they get to be like 300 or 400 pounds how big are groupers Jimmy know let's let's end this with groupers those they taste good though you ever have a grouper sandwich no I haven't I don't know if you would want to eat an old one like that probably not yeah they get a little I don't know I don't know if that's the case with fish I know it's the oh it's definitely the case with fish is it I I go fishing you don't want to keep your 11 PB Wala you want to eat the like uh between three and like really three lb ones W I went Walley fishing for the first time last year o good eating delous oh yeah perch and W yeah and Alberta man how big they get 2.5 m 8 feet oh my God they can weigh as much as 790 lbs holy

132:19wow that is insane I had no idea 8 feet that could eat you 700 pounds that is so crazy wow I did not know they got that big oh my god8 feet did you imagine Shaquille O'Neal a foot bigger than him is a grouper that's insane look at the size of that thing there's one with a dude oh my God this thing is bigger than the guy look at the little fish is staying on the other side of the guy going like no I'm not coming around I st going to hide behind you it's hoping that the grouper like takes chunks out of that guy and like leaves a little for him God ocean is awesome it the ocean is so amazing deep ocean the more you learn about it I mean did you see in Japan that massive uh that massive squid that's crazy they're swimming with I don't want to swim anywhere near that thing that's now that's an evil Predator right there you do not want to get stuck in those

133:10tentacles oh yeah they are really evil and they're so big they're what's really nuts is that giant squid were just a myth a couple of decades ago they had no idea if they were real like they had they had never caught one of these things on camera now they have one it looked like it was in a bay somewhere look it was really close to boats it's crazy to look to watch allowing people to swim with it like they never had caught one before like they didn't know if they were real then they started catching them I wouldn't swim with that thing I wonder how they're catching them so because they're catching them much more frequently now like look at it look at the video of it my God what an amazing amazing creature the entire body flexible nothing but a beak like as far like it's the only it's hard do you know they found evidence really recently of uh gigantic some some sort of octopus type

133:59species that would be like a kraken they're thinking by the size of the tentacles this thing would be 100 feet long and they found these enormous tentacles that were like you know dinner plates yeah and they're they're saying okay well this is what the myths of the Kraken have always been the Kraken was always this gigantic tentacled monster that would eat anything look at that thing well it's hard perspective when you see it with a person you get a real good uh idea of how how enormous it is but I think that thing is like 18 feet long or something crazy but these Krakens they there's nothing left of them when they die so what they found is a fossilized remains of um the tentacles had di when they when it had died the tentacles had left an imprint on the ground on the bottom of the ocean and so that's they got the fossilized remains of these tentacles they're like holy

134:47and they realize well okay well this is where these myth come from this was a real a real creature it's amazing how little we know in terms of what the deep ocean of and has available to it in terms of uh of uh animal life it's crazy we're discovering stuff every day yeah they say we know more about the moon than we know about the ocean well it's it's what is it 70% of the Earth or something like that I don't know something percent some giant percentage of the earth is water and the ocean floor I think they've only examined like 5% of it which is amazing so 95% of this incredible essentially wild world I mean it is a wild world and it all ultimately comes from the ocean I mean the ocean is what gives us life that's where we have to respect it supposedly it all came from right we all started off somehow or another with some little fish thing I got to watch more Cosmos that's

135:37another thing I can't get enough of yeah I know right yeah I'm so glad they brought that back with especially with Neil degr Ty a great podcast too it's called star talk it's awesome it's really good definitely check that out and it's all about a bunch of different subjects too like he had a really cool one with David burn from the Talking Heads about creativity and he's just a really interesting curious guy Neil degrass Tyson yeah he's got a great demeanor and I like the way they do the cosmos with the with the sort of um the imagination and the um uh animation the animation rather yeah it's great very great it's very engaging um so we're good anything else yeah solid safe smooshy dcom follow me at uh you never know when that Periscope broadcast is going to happen happen you have Periscope broadcast what do you do you never know when that Periscope broadcast is going to happen so we

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