Demetrious Johnson

00:00how are you sir I'm good thanks for doing this man I really appreciate it no no thank you for having me than you for thinking of me how about that please you are the guy whenever anybody asks me who's the best fighter in the world you're the guy I appreciate it man I think if young guys are coming up and they want to learn how to fight where they take as little damage as possible and inflict as much as possible you're my perfect example so thank you for being you no hey you know what I'm doing my best to pay these bills I got I got bills to pay I understand but it's more than yeah man you can't just be paying bills because you you you don't just do enough work you do more like it's pretty obvious when you fight that you're putting in crazy hours cuz you keep getting better and better and better it's not as simple as like you just paying the bills like you obviously have

00:46a a pretty deep passion for this yeah absolutely I mean I I honestly say it's credited to uh Matt Hume um and Brad ciron uh ever since I started training mixed martial arts you know I didn't jump into mixed martial arts because the UFC I mean I did see The Ultimate Fighter and all that stuff but I saw it the workouts how in shape they were and then when I started fighting Matt was like okay you can do mix my shs fight so I had my first amateur fight then next Matt was like good job okay then I I'll go back to training and then Matt was like hey you going to do a how do you feel about doing a kickboxing fight I was like sure why not did a kickboxing fight won that he goes good job then he's like hey there's a JJ jiu-jitsu tournament you need to go there and beat everybody I would go there take first place he goes good job in the back of his mind I think he's

01:32like you know making molding he's molding me to be very well rounded and then one time he's like hey there's a boxing fight you want to take it I'm like sure let's take it won that and so forth then I did a m Tha fight then I did a jitu tournament so I never just did pure mixed martial arts through my whole entire upbringing he would make me do different aspects of martial arts mixed martial arts to get me ready so if I got in a fight and I'm fighting a pure boxer I can get in there like okay I'm fighting a boxer so boxer I can I can I can put my head super low and not have to get worri about knees knees and stuff but so I've dabbled in every single I've competed every single sport in mixed martial arts you know I never did Taekwondo as a kid and all that stuff as I got older I did mixed U I joined AMC he made me do those things and I've done like four or five Jiu-Jitsu tournaments

02:17not ghe just grappling because basically you have naked when you're fighting so that's why that way yeah how many uh years were you training before you had your first fight amateur fight or professional any kind of fight oh man uh I trained maybe six months six months six months and how old were you at the time 18 19 so you've been with him for 10 years or so yes so I was with um Matt had a satellite school which was uh South so here's Tacoma where I used to live and here's palop and then here's Auburn and that's where his sight school is and then here's Renton um then you got for anybody who's listening to this he's moving his hands higher and higher and higher sorry Washington State yeah so way up North so my the AMC Matt's location is 45 to an hour away from me where I live now P was like hour and 30 minutes away from me so I found his um satellite gym and even before I went to

03:15that gym I had no idea who Matt Hume was even when I fought for Matt Hume he was sit in a chair like sha Khan and just watch us fight and then he wouldn't talk to me or anything who shaan that's the that's the uh last guy in maral Kombat 2 he sits there he sits in a chair and he goes finish him and then you know so but that's how it was he would just he would you say that like everybody would know what you're talking about that's hilarious then on that video game hype so um he would just sit there and watch he would just sit there and watch and he wouldn't even talk I mean he would talk to me but he would not talk to me like right it was just different and then eventually um once I had the second fight the first fight with a Mcall he goes all right Demus you got to start taking this seriously I was like what do you mean like we're in the UFC I just fought for a world title you know

03:58against Dom Cruz he goes dude you only train with me twice a week like Saturdays and at that point it was only Saturdays uh wedes uh Wednesdays and Saturdays it's like you're only training me two days a week like you need to take this seriously when people are professional athlete they come they leave their families and move away and train with the the trainer and so that's why you saw a huge change in my game from the second em call fight cuz I started training underneath him if I went to go take a Matt was like hey hey hey what color is that up poop I need to know he started overseeing everything I did when it was swimming conditioning everything beginning of my MMA career when I was fighting you know Mel Torres K Yamamoto deasio paage Nick Pace I was doing my own thing like doing my condition on my own Monday Tuesday and Thursday Friday I was doing my own thing and then Wednesday Matt

04:50would come down down the South beat me up then Saturday I'll train I'll drive up to Kirkland and train with tman and we would Spar so after that fight the first te call fight he was like you need to take this seriously and that's when I was like all right I'll do 100% with you then and then this is what you have now what a lucky break for you to find that guy too like as a trainer oh yeah I mean he's if he's not the best there's there's a handful of guys like that I consider like the best like FASA Hobby's in there Matt's in there there's a few guys that are just at that upper level where they can coach you in everything oh yeah you know and that's um it's so fortunate for a young fighter like you to to find him at just the beginning stage yeah oh and and even though he's uh I think he's 49 he'll be 50 this year um it's always funny cuz when we getting ready for a fight we're

05:39all we're in it 100% we're training we're learning and I'm still learning and then when're not getting ready for a fight you know he lets me do my thing stay in shape I I do a good job doing that and then sometimes we'll come back and we'll Spar and he was just in China and he was in Singapore and I'm always like okay I'm I'm going to get the best of him this time I'm going get the best of him and so he's like all right I think I'm going spar today he'll go upstairs get his gear on and then like my buddy Carol he goes oh Dad dad's going to spar tonight and I was like I'm about to get him watch and we're sparring and I remember we're sparring and he was hitting me and I was hitting him and then I remember I did a Superman punch and I connected and I was like yeah and as I connected I was like boom high kick hit me and back to head and I was like good for you Matt good for you

06:24still got it don't you I mean it's just I mean he's just an amazing athlete even though uh he's 49 years old um he was a great fighter oh yeah he was great fighter I remember watching him way back in the day when he fought Pat miliage and he broke Pat milotic's Nose which and they stopped the fight which I was like I remember even at the time I was like what the you g to stop a fight over a broken nose like that's crazy it happens all the time in boxing it happens all the time in every sport but for whatever reason they just decided to stop the fight didn't make any sense yeah I think it was a good thing they did I think the the fight was going uh it was going Way South for Pat Mill definitely going south for Pat well Matt was so well-rounded you know he had so many skills in so many different areas I remember he competed in that all submission tournament too remember they

07:10had that professional all submission thing that they did on pay-per-view once a long time ago this is um new knowledge to me God damn it I'm trying to remember the name of it did he uh I remember he tore uh Kenny Monday's Lake that was it okay yeah I see that that was it Kenny Monday who was an Olympic gold medalist in wrestling y yep yeah Matt is like one of my all time favorite guys as far as like coaches like what those those are the two guys that I I I'll tell people if they go hey man I'm thinking about really taking this seriously move to Washington State or move to Montreal there's your two places yep I I totally agree with you um yeah man anytime you're in Seattle and you want to come out and hang out and and probably even grapple with Matt he would love to do it I mean he still grapples and he still that's amazing that he doesn't doesn't have any nagging injuries he's not all

07:54up you know you know what the one of the things that Matt tries to push onto me is that he's like I I always ask him if there was one thing you could have done different when you were training as professional fighter what would it be and he said train smarter don't beat my body up so bad and that's where he tries to impl on me but no no uh nagging injuries you know every once a while he'll pull something and he will take the time to rest but when I'm getting ready for a fight he goes I'm not going to jump in today I'm I'm going to get this rested I'm going to watch coach you and then once this is rested I'm going to jump in I'm like okay sounds good just make sure you jump in here cuz I need you yeah it's so smart to do that and so few guys do everybody wants to be a tough guy everybody wants to like rough it out and I'm above that push through it it's so smart to do it's

08:36so smart to just let let the engine heal let the machine heal know there's so many guys that think you have to be a hard ass you have to wrap up your arm like a mummy and get in there I mean you could always do something you know you could always like I know a lot of guys who they've torn muscle so they do all workouts in the pool or something along those lines well hael dos sanos before he beat Anthony Pettis for the title he had an CL te he couldn't do anything so all he did was sprints on the aerodine I mean he was just doing hourong sprints you know like just like interval Sprints yeah on the airdine and that's all he did for like the last couple weeks of his Camp yeah well it's unfortunate because this is how us Fighters make our money um I remember when I was going to fight uh John doson for the second time I tore something in my uh Cal and Matt's

09:23like you know I told him I was like dude my cap my C hurts and he was like all right lay down let me massage you let me see what's going on and papius I think it was and he goes yeah you pretty much tore it so we need to get that heal I was like well Matt what the I was like what do you want me to do you you you know we ran you know 15 miles this week we also did sparring pads all all the you know the the the work was very heavy and you hanging on my neck and you know you're not 125 lbs you're 175 lbs so I mean I'm doing my job and and push my body and I'm sorry that it's broken he goes I know we just need to get to healed before the fight and so we spent most of our cter workouts in the pool just doing long Sprints and you know unfortunately it's injuries are part of the sport and we never want to pull out from a fight but it's it happens to everybody yeah it does happen and it's

10:11kind of crazy if you look at the UFC schedule I think out of they said out of 40 title fights that they had set or 40 m events 35 of them or 34 of them pulled out something crazy like that yeah yeah you're right the majority the majority changed which is insane it's not the the you want the small their percentage to be at well it's different than any other sport because like boxing it's very rare that a fighter pulls out of a fight like even Manny Pacquiao had a torn shoulder he tore his laborum and still wound up fighting Floyd Mayweather for the title you know also he's got a100 million on the line or something insane like that I would if I had a Tor ACL and everything i100 million let's get it I'm want to get this paper yeah because you never know when those paychecks are coming like that's a crazy paycheck that's a once in a lifetime you know but so many people got mad at

11:01him after that fight when they found out that he was injured true but at the same time like you said once in a lifetime when's the next time you going to fight Floyd Mayweather yeah right if you're so lucky to get in there I mean he is the ultimate payday y I'll fight him I'll fight I'll fight him in boxing I'll be like dude I I don't care what happens I was like I'll be taken care of I'm like we're done I like baby I like baby break out the red panties as Conor McGregor said yeah Conor McGregor what a hilarious mother that guy is Jesus Christ when you see a guy like that that's getting so much attention talking does it make you want to start talking no man it's uh you know that's his gig you know that's his gig he he's doing a good job at it he's opening doors he's the best at it yeah he's the best he's the best at it I've never seen anybody that talks as much

11:47as he does but in his way with his Irish accent it's all like it's all a part of the show you know y I agree no I love it I I I remember the first time seeing him fighting and I was watching him I was like okay he understands distance he understands he understands fighting and then as I saw him fight you know a little better competition with you know Diego brandow um Dustin Po and I saw how he crossed distance and how he he could take a shot and I'm like okay all right let's let's see now the huge test you know I'm ready to see one of your faces like yeah uh the Aldo fight that's going to be woo who knows what the going to happen in that fight that's what I like about it what I love about that fight where people go who's going to win it who's going to win I don't know I don't know I got no idea that's a I have no idea fight cuz anything can happen and

12:36godamn Conor takes a good shot yeah he can I was impressed cuz Mendes can he can bang and he connected a bunch of times and Connor just didn't seem phased at all I'm very impressed with that he's got a big ass head too you know when him and Aldo when this is coming from a dude with a big ass head as well but when him and Aldo are face to face and he's looking down on all them like Jesus Christ look at the size of plus the the beard makes it look even bigger like yours right it doesn't quite have a as Majestic a beard as yours thank I appreciate I appreciate quite not quite as Majestic but it like looking at the two of them together you you realize how much bigger Connor is yeah absolutely what do you think about the weight cut issue now because of the IV ban for people listening to this don't know what we're talking about you used to be able to make weight and then after you made

13:22weight you could rehydrate with IVs intravenously um they Bann that because Fighters apparently people in uh other sports have used IVs to mask performance-enhancing drugs so they banned IVs a lot of people think it's dangerous because they think it's the most efficient way to rehydrate and if you're going to have weight weigh-ins and especially if you're going to have a big disparity of weight classes like you're in a weight class like 125 where there's a 10 lb jump between 125 and 135 but a lot of them like 85 to 205 that's 20 lb or 205 to 265 is crazy yep 60 lbs that's it's a giant difference I I you know I'm not going to lie I'm all for it um I've never had the IV not once in my whole entire career and there's been times I had to cut eight and a half pounds the day of Wis uh I think it's going to help people fight more at their natural weight classes um you know I I

14:16honestly think I'm probably one of the smallest guys in the flyweight division you know this morning I don't know when I woke up but I know yesterday I woke up at 141.5 and I had beer good food the night before so I'm a small guy um so when I cut to 125 I mean it's a hard cut I'm I'm you know cutting 15 lbs um but I rehydrate very well I never get tired when I fight because I make sure I do my my homework learn how to diet right and then make sure I get enough water in me so I can have the water to cut out of my system um but for guys who you know I know John doson I've heard he he gets like 157 16 I've never seen really that's what I've heard on on the street I know Joseph he used to get big between his fights but I heard he's kind of you know last time I talked to him he's kind of stayed a little bit lower because in reality it's like what's the point of getting big and put muscle on

15:02eventually you're going to have to cut it off anyways I mean the first thing that goes when you're losing weight is typically muscle then the fat and then so forth so for me I'm all for it I think you're going to start seeing a lot of guys like H brow he's going to fight at 145 now who knows Conor McGregor he has a huge cut to 145 um he's going to possibly fight at 155 so I think it's good I mean obviously I think I know a lot of guys love the way you can IV but now they're like I think the biggest thing is they're like whoa whoa whoa we used to be able to do this for 20 years plus and now you're just going to come here and say we can't do it well I thought this was America so I I think that's where people are getting their um their pennies in a bunch well the way the solution to that would be only have IVs that were supervised by doctors or here's a better solution give someone a

15:48blood test at the weigh-ins like right just you don't need a lot of blood you just prick prick them get a little bit of blood then let them IV Y and then you know test the so then you know if they're doing it's simple then test them after the fight and you're covered yeah and I think I think they're trying to do my personal opinion I remember when we were doing uh the usada meeting and uh it cracked me up because he was like well that's a totally story but he said that one fighter came in did give a name came in did his test before the fight no before WS tested um that test came back clean but then after the fight they did the after the post fight they're like okay there's something um no so he came in weit in they tested him before he weighed in then after WS they tested him again then after the Ws after the fight they tested him and they're like okay whoa something's wrong here cuz he

16:47rehydrated and he was hiding something when he he when he rehydrated and then the usada guy um I forget his name he's like the head guy bald guy Jeff nitki Jeff liski he was saying this guy was hiding something we didn't further depth and he was hiding he was masking drugs with the IV and so I think we've already had that happen in our Sport and that and that guy got caught who the is that I don't know I don't even know who that is he didn't even give a name really yep well how was that possible like I thought all that stuff is public no no no it didn't go public because the person the person got caught but he didn't give the name of the story of who the person was who he they tested so he wouldn't say who got caught yeah so let's say he just was saying how someone got caught the person who got caught we know that they got caught so it was public that they got caught yes

17:33but we didn't know the wholeistic but how you got CAU and he was like he was like this was recent so it was it happened um just recently so huh who the hell could that have been who's been popped recently um let's speculate yeah the rumor mill the rumor mill well there's been a few guys well obviously this is a sport that in the beginning you could do whatever the you want yeah and a lot of people did whatever the they wanted yeah abs and I remember like I know a lot of people like I remember you a big fan of like dude Hey Joe me and you going to fight you want to you want to juice I'll juice too if you're on the we're on the same plane um and I think uh back in the day the the culture of it was okay with that because don't get me wrong I'm pretty sure when God made us he goes I'm going to build you to be able to fight year after year year after year take all this

18:23damage to they head and somebody was like what's the best way to take a shot a punch I was like there isn't my friend your body is not design to get beat up on it's it's not and so but with you know the trt or testosterone or HGH all that stuff it it helps the recovery of it so you can have a long um career it doesn't just seem to help it seems to help your ability to take punishment oh absolutely that's what's crazy it's like a lot of these guys that are Juiced up they can take a better shot I tell you what when I fought Ali bootin off my follow my follow goes dude after we got down the fight he goes I came home and he saw my knees my knees were just blown up you beat the out of that dude and he hung in there man yeah he did and then and uh my father came he goes I guarantee you he's going to pop for something no manow can take a beating like that and be able to walk away like

19:12that I I I promise you after the fight after the fight if I'm playing video games somebody calls me do you hear what happened I was like no no what what's up he goes he popped he popped for uh EPO EPO and I was like ah huh no worries and Matt was Matt was floored he goes no wonder cuz when we studied tape on him Matt was like he's going to get tired and you're going to be able to finish him he still got tired he he still got tired but which is incredible yeah and then Matt was like you're going to be able to finish him and then when we didn't finish him Matt was like that's the reason why cuz he never got tired and he never got as tired as he should have he's a guy that he's got a there's there's a style of fighting where it's kind of like you're pushing you're going all in yeah you know and that's what he does with all his punches he's pushing all his chips in he's

19:54throwing 100% effort into all of his punches he grits down his winds up with his punches and he's got good power but that style you just can't fight like that for five rounds you just can't do it and it's really not a smart style anyway because those punches come slower yeah and there's a few guys that still fight like that even though that's their the one of the worst ways to do it there's a lot of guys should like that but you can get away with it if you blow the guy out in the first round exactly and another side of that the double edged sword is that it's very exciting people like that people were like oh my god well hey look at look at Rousey that's a perfect example like Ronda Rousey after the first round there obviously there was stylistic issues and there was obviously technical issues where she wasn't as good as we thought she was standing up you know when you

20:41see her hit the pads and you see her fight someone like bch Co she looked good but then you see her fight a skilled Striker like Holly and some issues got exposed some tactical issues but she sprinted like she came out the opening round and sprinted and by the end of the first round she'd been hit a bunch she and she was exhausted she was exhausted and it was because she went all in she went all in and you think about that's how she's uh been so successful with her opponent I mean the biggest thing you could do nobody trains in the gym like okay round one fight nobody nobody fights like that so when you do that to opponent that that breaks him down it it freaks him out yeah I I would you know give uh praises to Greg Jackson and uh John Wile John those guys over there Albuquerque for getting um Holly home ready for that cuz in my mind we're going to that fight I was like if

21:26I was Holly home I'll take a second relax see what Ronda is bringing you know use my jab use my high kick use my spinning kicks just to just to get Ronda off her game CU R likes to collab she likes this Collision like you said when she fought B Cera yeah she won that exchange to uh B CER when her wins and octagon if you look at the people she's fought their combining record I did the re well my fans my my mighty Squad they did the uh the mighty Squad The Mighty Squad my mighty Squad they did the they brought me the numbers and they're like dude her her combined record of her opponent in the USC was one and N wow so you know really oh yeah that's amazing so when you look at like you know obviously the promotion has to do their thing to sell the next big fight but as me as an athlete I'm like so B care versus Ron Rousey you want to know how this is going to go Ron Ros is going to knock

22:16her out because yes BR R undefeated 9 and0 but who the is she fought like you have to look at you know who that person's fought so when I look at a person like Jose Midas I always give him high praises because the man's fought Domino Cruz his only two losses between me and Dominic Cruz John Dodson he hasn't lost at 135 and his only loss to 125 is is to me so his SK his skill set is high up there to where you know uh Kat zagano I thought she had the best um chance chance to beat I agree uh R Rousey but I spent time with her in it back when we were getting ready to fight USC 178 and she was so emotional I was like and I was sitting back there just eating a banana and she's like doing her thing I'm like it's just a fight don't worry about it it's just a fight I was like it's just going to fight she goes I don't need to hear that right now and I was like all right and she goes

23:06out there and she's so emotional I'm like that's going to be her her downfall and I told people I when she fights Ronda she can't get emotional and then what she do she goes out and throws a flying knee gets caught up arm if she would out there like I'm in a fight take my time work my jab I got 25 minutes why why do I need to rush why do I need to rush if if if there was like okay there's a timeline you have five minutes let see who's going to win I'm going to go all in I'm going blow my wad right but when you have 25 minutes I'm going to take my time and enjoy it well I think the overwhelming moment of being there fighting for the title fighting Ronda at the peak of her popularity or near the that fight was probably the one that set Ronda over the top and then B COA just shot her into the stratosphere cuz it was in Brazil I'll tell you man that was a surreal moment it was surreal

23:52being there in Brazil because every time I've been to Brazil before they never cheer for Americans I me cheer when you're props Brazil when you you're on the scale you're figh Brazilian they're very proud and they were cheering Ronda and booing bch Co we we're disowning you bch it was crazy she's out there with the flag Brazil Brazil and they're like no no Ronda Honda you know it was it was crazy man it was it was and when she won it was just it was bizarre it was a bizarre moment was watch her strut around the octagon like she was like taking it all in and walking around like some gladiator was like some Russell Crow I was like wow this is crazy but for her what a trip it must be to go from that which is just like the most epic victory in Brazil in the Home Country million pay-per-view buys she's a superstar on every talk show and everybody wants to talk to her too head

24:52kicked to beaten down and then head kicked yeah uh I think crazy watching that fight and how you know Matt always talks about pushing your opponent to the distance where you need to land a kick so once Hol I mean when Holly had her down once before and then she got up and Holly kind of let her go and then the second time when she pushed her butt into the high kick and I was like I mean I've always I didn't know too much about Holly Holm then once you know the fight was getting built up and I was like okay I'm going do a little more research on Holly Holm and then I saw how she was strong she was an athletic um and you know she's always her High Kick's very good and when she landed on her and I was like this is bad yeah and so I I I I just felt that Ron Rousey ran into somebody who's just as athletic or more athletic than she is who doesn't who doesn't I'm not saying Rona Rousey blows

25:39up between her her fight camp but I would say you know if we went to Holly hm right now she would probably you know still have abs you know she's fit yeah um and who who's a great Striker I mean that's that's her domain I mean she's a world champion in boxing um I heard she had a kickboxing background before too and that's one thing I say I always talk to TJ doaw about Ron Russ I'm like damn it I was like oh Ron rasy her pad work's so good but I just want to see her kick right pad work is uh like her hands were really fast her hands are fast and her knees to the body were good but never kicks never kicks I'm like I just I just need to Ser a kick and teacher's like bro she don't need a kick dog she she don't need her I was like who said this TJ doaw me me and him talk on on on a daily not a daily basis but each time we're together kick yeah he everybody needs to kick oh absolutely I

26:23was like I just need to see her kick I was like you know if if she had a good jab jab inti n to to disrupt um Holly holm's uh base to change the distance you know cuz the only way uh Ron rosi can hit you is from punches my my legs are longer than my feet so I can use my kicks to change the distance to um disguise my distance um to Holly home but she doesn't have that in her reper I don't know how I don't know if Edmund is uh versatile in kicks or or or the clinch game because each time around a clinches it's always I'm looking to throw you I'm not looking to clinch mu Tha throw elbows oh shoot down for a double leg take down down oh take switch the single leg drag you off one foot throw the left hook she's not in versatile in that so that's when people are like man she's the best Ro around the fighting world I'm like I I haven't seen her kick I haven't do a double Leg

27:10Takedown I haven't seen her drop to her back and do a heel so I can't I can't buy into that I mean she's amazing amazing athlete what she's done with the skill set she's been given absolutely amazing I mean she's blowing off she I mean her numbers are way better than mine so what the am I saying well her athleticism is unquestionable her will drive her Championship part all those are unquestionable but I think women's MMA is sort of at a level where men's MMA was in like the late 90s like maybe the early 2000s you know it's like the the level of competition is just not nowhere near where it is in the men's division and in the men's division in the most competitive way classes like yours 135 155 you 145 you can't be onedimensional it is not it's not possible you have to be able to you have es submiss have you have be able to people you have and in MMA you in

28:07women's MMA rather you didn't have to for for a while but when someone like Holly comes along now you're going to yes oh you look at Joanna J amazing Striker she's developed a way to not get taken down but when I saw from her last fight and granted she broke her hand I don't know what round but when I what I saw from that fight I was like I know the person who can beat her now um well Claud gadea almost beat her the first time they fought very close fight split decision for Joanna yep yep um I think the person who's going able to beat her and Dethrone her it would be Paige vanan what really wow big big statement what about Rose what if Paige and Rose are GNA throw down next week the biggest thing uh they're going to throw out next weekend so like like I said I never like to give out my uh my my prediction because you have to now because you just said Paige and Paige is going to fight

29:02next weekend against Rose well this is the reason why okay I love Joanna J don't doesn't mean I don't like her um the thing that I see from Joanna is that she is she's Stand Up Artist she hits like a truck but the thing I see from Paige van xan is that one she's still green she's still new but the pace she puts on people the pace that Loretta Valerie put on Joanna when Joanna wasn't hurting Valerie and I was okay so she's not hurting her but I can start to see Joanna start to slow down just a little bit if Valerie had a little bit more wrestling a little more diverse just fighting I'm just going to fight you mhm I think and that's what Paige brings when she fights she puts on a a um a high Pace to where she's in your face yes she has some weird scrambles where you know it's like oh oh what what the hell happened but she ends up on top and then she starts punching ground and

29:53pound I think that pace is going to give Joanna j a problem obviously Joanna is going to prepare for her and have her great takedown defense but I think if um Paige comes in like okay I'm I'm going to get in your face I'm not going to give you a chance to get your jab set your set your M TI up I'mma get on you we're going to do we're going to clinch I'm going to wrestle you like when I did my M Tha fight I didn't I didn't fight the guy mu Tha style I wrestled him I got in there started clinching him grabbing his head and then when he tried to put me off balance I put him off balance for my wrestling that's what you have to do with somebody who's a mood Tai world champion and I believe Paige van do that if she has the right skills if she has the right coaching and the right attitude and and and is ready to get hit a lot she's going to get hit a lot yeah and and with the rose and

30:38Paige the biggest thing and the same thing I I tell Rose is that uh she's so emotional um and I told her I told her F I was like don't be so emotional I was like you're so you're so talented so good but I feel like you let the emotions get the best of you and I know it's hard it's a fight it's absolutely 100% a fight and that's why I take myself out of the emotion I was like dude two things are happen when we fight I'm either going to lose or I'm going to win that's what's going to happen I'm just going to have to do my best if I lose I lose if I win I win that's it well Paige is very Scrappy for sure I mean you you uh you watch a fight and there's no question about it she's enjoying herself she trains hard and she's got mad potential I mean she just turned 21 right exactly yeah is she's 21 is she just turned 21 cuz I remember last I remember last time we were

31:23hanging out she was like oh yeah that's why I can go to the club now and I can drink I've been to the club already but I still drink well whatever so that's awesome well she's uh at a great team too Al male she got a lot of people her size which can push her to be like you need like there's been times when I fought people in mat like you see this guy right here when I fought dos him the first time now was like you need to be all over him you need to be on him from Once the Bell starts you need to be in his face what I did the first time we fought I jumped all over him and that's what caused me to get dropped a couple times but got my black ass back up and kept on going forward and then now the second time we fight I have way more I have a lot better footwork I'm more seasoned I'm I'm my skills have kind of harnessed now I'm like okay I just need to be all over you and not overextend

32:08myself to where you can land that big shot so if Paige can see that like okay Joanna she needs time like uh RAF Ranos versus Sergio uh not Sergio Pettis anthy Pettis anthy Pettis he has to go out there get his set his set his kicks up okay he's he's going to me set it up like Don when he first fought if he Pettis grabed R's hands ran out the cage and threw a flying knee and hit him mhm only way you can do that is if you give that person a time to set up I'm like we're going to fight you're not going to have time to look pretty I'm going to make this a nice grueling fight I'm going to get in your face and we're going to wrestle that's that's what Doan that's what do did yeah Doan just ran at him and put he's always first yeah exactly and that's what you do with somebody who needs time to set up who needs time to test a distance and figure out you get in their face well he

32:55trains with Nick kerson dos anos does m who is uh one of mar marinovich is disciples and we were talking about it he did the podcast and he was saying if you watch the fight what happened was that dos anos was always there just slightly quicker like their skill sets were incredibly similar like incredibly similar as far as like how good they both are but dos anos was just Landing just a little bit quicker was a little bit he was there first he never let um Pettis set up and because of that he won all the exchanges he just won virtually every minute of every round but every time by that much that's when you have a uh two great Fighters playing with fractions of seconds where it's like I need to get off like Conor mcer I think he does a good job when he gets taken down like when he fought Chad Min he got taken down and Chad's ground and pound he's just okay you're hitting me you're

33:43hitting me but each time they got up Conor they are putting the pressure on him because you think about in fights they get up they're like good job oh let's go back to the center of the oota in the fight that I'm at my distance I'm going to start fighting now and you're going to have deal with the pressure I'm going to make you pay for taking me down and letting me back up and that's what I think Doos did Connor did against Chad Mendes and I think you're going to start to see when people start to get it and have the uh cardio to do it you're going to start seeing a lot more of that in mixed martial arts yeah I think so too it's it's really interesting when you look at the progression of MMA from 1993 to today it's it's so crazy because if you w we we've talked about this before but if you watch football from 1993 and football from 2015 it's still football

34:27yes I mean back then you had herel Walker you know you had great football players there was a lot where you could compare and you could look at them and you go well these guys are Elite athletes they're playing the same sport man you go back and watch UFC one and it's not even it's not even the same sport it's it's just not like the sport is Evol even from 2005 if you go back to the time when the UFC had the ultimate fighter if you go 10 years for the first season of The Ultimate Fighter you go 10 years ago and then watch now the difference between world champions then and world champions now it's boy there's a giant leap yeah I would say there's more ath athletic people yes in a SP more athletes learning how to fight to where back in the day um you just had guys like I just want to fight I don't care how much I get paid that's it now I know you probably been paying attention

35:15to uh Jon Jones has been powerlifting oh yeah he's uh he's like taking it very serious now and he's he just deadlifted 600 lbs on Monday and put it up on Instagram and but Daniel was saying that all this extra bulk is not good he's like this is probably good for me that he's doing this no I I think uh I mean you look back to the first time of Daniel cor and JN Jones fight he goes I didn't realize how heavy he was when I had to carry him around and I think the second time they fight he's going to have to carry that weight around because Jon Jones is longer uh I would say Jon Jones is maybe faster I mean they're both still fast but I think JN Jones is going to have the upper hand in a striker realm So Daniel cor's going to have to carry all that weight around and that's a beautiful thing is that Jon Jones yes he's put on weight he's not you know you know Big Jon Jones he's

36:04athletic he's being he's taking his time off more serious seriously than instead doing his his partying days so in retrospect when he gets in the camp he's already way ahead of the curve than he was when he fought uh DC the first time so if anything I think it's worse for DC that Jon Jones Is Lifting now because he's not he's not out partying getting fat right was pretty incredible that he had Coke in system three weeks before and he still beat Cormier like what the man and that just shows talented yeah that just shows you how talented he is and that I mean it's fighting I mean and he's able to adapt when he fights he's able to adapt like even after watching that fight when I watch DC and cor when they fought I felt like Jon Jones and I've always felt like this way with Jon Jones like when he fought uh Rampage um uh even when he fought Le Mita I feel like he goes out there he

36:54ticks it all in see what his opponent wants to do doesn't need t and all that stuff where he kicks people's in in the in a kneecap but I feel that there's a point where he turns around and goes okay I'm going to finish you now like when he broke his foot when he broke his dislocated his toe uh against chel it was you I felt like you saw a different you know fighter to as like of a wolf you know had its prey and it's playing with them then he was like okay I'm I'm going to tear your throat out that's why I felt like when Jon Jones DC fight I felt like Jon Jones just kind of he did it enough to win but I felt like he was like I'm going to destroy you now like I'm going to put you on your back I'm going to take your back and send me you and I feel like the next time you see Jon Jones fight DC I think you're going to see that well the chil sunon fight he wanted to prove a point

37:35like you got you talk so much and you know you're not in my league so I'm just going to go out and you up and he went out and him up with his own game he took cha down just beat his ass from there it's really what's really crazy about that fight is that Jon didn't know that he had dislocated his toe until I was talking to him in the postf fight interview he looked down and saw his toe went oh my God and then he kind of went into shock but what was going through my head was like what would have happened if chel made it out of that round yeah if CH made it out of that round John might not have been able to continue yeah I mean the doctors might have stopped his foot was turned upside down where the bottom of his big toe was looking up it was up it's amazing that it it healed up so quickly but if cha had lasted somehow or another through that first round he would have

38:22won the title yeah he would like oh well default by chos you are talking to the best figher in how do it feel Joe Joe R I'm looking at your pants right now and I think you are excited my friend are you that's what exactly he would have said yeah he probably would have have like speeches planned I mean he's he's hilar he's the second best talker of all time I I said he was the best until Conor came around he was the best he was the best but like all things you know end there comes an end and the new ones come along exactly when he almost beat Anderson so that was a perfect example of a guy that was fighting injured you know when Anderson had a up rib going into that fight couldn't stuff the taked down you know like couldn't stop it and still managed to pull off that triangle in the fifth round but if you watch that triangle like I've watched that triangle

39:10a bunch of times it wasn't in yeah yeah yeah I think and once he started scooting it almost turned to a arm triangle arm bar triangle the foot was never locked in under behind the knee it was it was never like you know like it was never like clamped in he never tapped remember he never tapped is that what he said well remember Jo he goes I didn't tap what the hell are you doing what well he had had that issue before with Paulo filio remember that y yep in WC wasn't it yeah yeah yeah yeah and then they fought again and that was when filio was had lost his mind like Matt was there and he was at the bar and he was just drinking just hammering wine that night up before WS I think it was what and then somebody uh he didn't make the way no he didn't make the way and I think somebody else was there with Matt and then the guy called uh called uh the guy who was with Matt

40:01and he goes hey man hey I'm thinking about gambling in the fight what do you think and this wasn't Matt this was a guy who was ever met and he goes well the way the things look Paul F is at the bar right now drink the wine so if you're going to gaml gamble and chill he goes really all right I'm I'm going all landing and sure enough he cashed out he wasn't even in his room drinking he's drinking in public that's how crazy that guy is pailo was a Dynamic Brazilian jiu-jitsu artist though he was a bad when it came to his Jiu-Jitsu but he just couldn't control his demons for whatever reason whatever those demons were he couldn't control him that's a guy everybody forgets about godamn his Jiu-Jitsu was good yeah his Jiu-Jitsu was so tight remember watching him fight I was like this guy's high level man it's very rare you see guys who come from Pure Brazilian jiu-jitsu with like

40:50a like Jacare bio Fernandez who come from a ghee perspective of grappling and be able to transer well over to mixed martial arts because I've grappled with a lot of you know black belts and noie in mixed martial arts and I'm like H don't know how I feel about it but when I go like a biano I'm like holy like this is a totally different level so and I think the or without the without the ghee without the G without the ghee like each time I grapple biano it's like when we get I rather be in bio's uh hang on what is it I rather have biano in my guard than me being his guard wow because I I tell him my like I don't like cuz when we do MMA sparring like it's different because he uh I just learned this it's called cooking the beans the the Brazilian called the cooking the beans you need to you need to cook the beans and he's like you see my friend when you when you take people

41:40down you like to posture up punch them in the face pass C and I was like yes that's how I've been trained that's how Matt trains me he goes okay now I'm going to teach you something else and Matt's like okay you you need to learn the side of brising Jiu-Jitsu he goes It's called cooking the beans you know you can't just throw beans in a pot and then expect to eat them they're going to be hard you need to cook your beans let them simmer and then you can eat them so that's what you got to do mix in in this part of Jiu-Jitsu you need to get in there work it change your uh not change change your your pushes let them get tired and then once they get tired then you can enjoy your dinner and that's what babyon doesn't mean like when we're sparing I'm like I'm like okay baby all right whenever whenever you want to pass my guard or do this or this you can do

42:20it he goes don't don't don't you wear Mr D Johnson I'm going to get you don't worry about it then he gets her I'm like son of a damn it damn it damn it so there's a lot of guys that start out with the ghee and they develop great habits for the ghee but terrible habits for no ghee agree like a lot of collar control a lot of uh grabbing cuffs grabbing yeah oh my God and then they don't have those cuffs and they become like a blue belt it's crazy to see a highlevel black belt that never trains nogee and then they train they train no gee and they they don't know what they're doing it's crazy or even uh not even for the lines of noi of MMA oh yeah like I grappled with somebody the other day and he was pure Jiu-Jitsu um way bigger than me but uh and he had a series like he had to go to DAR to um crucifix on your back and then U from there uh take your back and try to choke

43:12you out so once we went for like two minutes I was like okay this is your game I know what it is and we started grappling and then when he was in my guard he wouldn't he wouldn't try to he had a he tried to go through the Middle with his knee and I was like okay you're pure Brazilian JIS and I was like so if this was the MMA fight you know I I right there I was like I could just stand up and knee you in the stomach and start punching in the face and so I can tell when when I start growing somebody like if I was to Grapple with you know you like hey man what you grapp with this guy I'm like okay I'll grapp with you and then I I'll feel him out and I'm like you just appeared Jiu-Jitsu and I'm like because you're not you're not mixing everything up with uh mixed marshal arts into it so even like when you're down on the ground with someone just rolling you could tell that pure

43:52Jiu-Jitsu by the way they set things up tell yes I can tell if if if they if they were uh pure Jiu-Jitsu and they've done mixed martial arts so for instance like for me you can tell like when I'm on my back I'm not a bilian jiujitsu fighter I know how to do my arar I know how to do my commer I know how to do my my front chokes and Elevate and tip you off and all that stuff but typically when I'm on my back I'm doing either two things I'm trying to set your weight somewhere else so I can get back on my feet so I can start striking with you or I'm looking to you know L you to reverse you and then get my top game and start playing my game to looking the punch you typically you know when when I go with bibiano he has both those Styles where he'll cook the beans I mean where he'll get heavy when I'm on his back when he's on his back he's throwing up the triangle the armar um doing certain

44:39stuff to I'm like okay this guy he's he's I I don't want to be here I I want to I don't I don't like it I want to pass your guard and get there to where the guy were with the other night I can feel I was like you're just trying to cook the beans dog and it ain't going to happen these beans aren going to be cooked and so that's why I was like okay you're just Didu cook the beans is a great statement I'm going to hold on to that one cuz I had heard cooking like ho says that before you know I've I've heard him say that you know that you got to cook your opponent you got to cook them yep or Matt always talks that when Matt's uh one of his trainers uh Haru um he would always reference everything in fishing and so he goes you know when you go out fishing you know you throw you you throw the line out there and you just don't reel it up like that you know you throw the line and you you kind of

45:23you know make the fish take the bait then once they take the bait and they bite you you them and so when Matt's talking about striking you know you go out there and you you start you know making him you know if you have a counter Striker you want to give him that illusion like hey I'm I'm right here kind of kind of what Connor does Conor gets gets here know he's here and then when you start striking he's like I'm actually right here and and I can hit you so that's what kind of reference of like I'm a big reference of analogies when I teach mixed martial arts when I used to teach I would always use analogies when I would teach my uh the students at AMC that's uh Connor also has the talking that he does while you're fighting which is you know I watched that Tyson Fury Vladimir Klitschko fight did you see that fight watch yeah Vladimir Klitschko looked like dog and I think one of the

46:08reasons why he looked like dog is that Tyson Fury guy never shuts the up he didn't shut the up at the press conferences he didn't shut the up at the weighin he didn't shut the up when they were introducing the fight I mean they're doing national anthems he didn't shut the up and I think like to a guy like Vladimir who barely speaks English anyway AO of guy I think that with his head it could be I never forget when Chad was like he was still talking when I was he go uh uh uh and I think I think it can happen I mean you know for me if somebody was going to talk I remember when I was get ready to fight Dawson the second time he goes I'm G talk to him in in the fight I'm like we'll see we we'll see and and he did it um there was a point in time where I was going to you know talk I was like yeah you would talk now H yeah take take it but you were dominating

46:55that fight like from the jum I think he never really had a chance to get comfortable enough to start talking cuz that's a you you have to the thing about talking is you have to think about it while you're doing it and then the opponent has to think about it while you're doing it like you have to think about it while you're doing it and your opponent has to think like there's a whole another element going on in the fight there's a conversation yeah exactly yeah yeah I I think the only time I've ever talked between my fights was somebody said uh I had a weak ass ground game and I was like it was this was doing a countdown I was like okay I got a weak ass ground game Perfect all right just gave me more mtiv beat your ass and sure enough we get a fight and I'm beating him up and then I submit him and I walk away and I do my thing I walked to him and he was on the

47:38ground just you know like this and I said got on my knees like not bad for weak ass ground game huh and just walked off and I was like end of that and the people who knew me knew what I said to him but was that Moraga uh no no no who was it it was Chris caras oh Chris cariaso said that yeah he said it he said cut down but even like in all my opponents every single time I fought them to the John doson even though he talk about me to John R we talk about me every single time I fight my guys I go up to him and say dude hey this isn't the end of your career at the end of the day it's about being able to take care of your family pay your bills and and and have a career so this isn't the this isn't the end for you keep on fighting and you know maybe you get another chance at the title or maybe not and no matter how much they talk about me then it doesn't B me well it's

48:24interesting because talking is almost a pre it it almost seems like it's it's almost mandatory it's so rare that someone doesn't talk I don't talk name what time I've talked you don't you don't but it's rare it's very rare like Luke rockold and Chris Wyman these two are talking more before this fight than any other fight I could ever remember Wiman being in yeah true and and I think honestly it's because the numbers they they they want if if somebody goes like this if I like Joe Rogan you are going to fight the commentator for Bellator I don't even know his name Jimmy Smith jimmmy Smith there you go thank you you're going to fight Jimmy Smith okay I'm going to pay you $2 million okay just to fight you ain't got to say anything you show up make weight post some videos here and there you can get $2 million right if I or if okay J here's your contract okay you have a percentage that

49:14you can hit sir if you can hype this fight up you want to get 50% of Revenue my friend you like you know Smith man he ain't sh y'all see me hitting them weights today I'm gonna destroy this guy he is slow of of course totally different thing but if I came if I went to luk rock if I went to chadman I'm sure Conor mcgreg still talk um talk if it was free yeah but if I went to Jos Alo and Conor McGregor and Luke rockold and Chris wman I'm like okay guys here's here's the thing you're going to get $2 million you're going to $2 million chat uh Aldo and Conor you're going to get $5 million do your thing you ain't got to talk just do whatever you want to do this going to get paid I guarantee you you still might hear you know Luke Roo say Chris fman is slow like he would probably say in more uh intelligent like you know uh if they were like Luke rockco what are the things you see about

50:05uh Chris wman I think he's slow I obviously think I am the more uh better athlete than he is and I I think I'm going be able to expose that uh uh tonight instead of him like Chris is slow slow slow slow you know trying to derogatory so that's that's my opinion but then again I could be wrong no I think you got a point I think but I think it's there's both things going on because like we said there's a psychological game that's going on that will go on no matter what but then there's the hype for financial gain oh yeah you the only reason I bought the best career in R Rousey fight is because when she was like don't cry don't I was like all right babe called T order it you guys see this get work that's that's that's the only reason why I bought it because I knew how the was going how the fight was going to go like even like the Manny Pacquiao and Mayweather like I didn't

50:54have to buy the fight I was like I knew exactly how the fight was going to go did you yeah I knew exactly how the fight was going to go you didn't think that if Manny Pacquiao was healthy that he presented some problems no because the way boxing is scored you don't get if if like you I guess you get points if I block your shot technically right so if I'm here you throw a hook I'm like got that there's a point for me boom got that like when he fought uh Madina and he was on the ropes getting beat up if that was mixed martial arts he would want that fight hands down but in boxing he's blocking on that you're wasting your punch which rightfully you s that's how it should be yeah you could throw 500 punches in a round and you only land you only land 10 of them what the hell you do what were you doing especially with those big gloves CU you can block with the big gloves better

51:37exactly even in May oh oh man he threw 500 punches how many those things landed you need to be I'm that's why I'm I'm so big on being technical why why am I going to go out there and throw all these punches and nothing and do nothing that was what was great about your victory over Dodson when I was interviewing you look at me I just went five rounds and I'm pretty as a it was true it was true like but it was hilarious cuz you you didn't just go you went five rounds with the most dangerous guy exactly and that's why I bring it to a point where people like you know and sometimes I feel people get upset they're like for from like a promoter standpoint like ah H you know this was a fight to make you know dodson's that guy who who hits people and knocks him down and I'm like dude you hit heart I'm not going to be there I'm not going to sit there and let you hit me people are like

52:23you need to bang it out no that's so stupid they like you want to get more fans that's so stupid somebody other day goes dude if you want to make more money you should go to 135 and I'm like so let me get this so you're saying I want to make more money find at 135 is that in my contract is that guaranteed um no it's not so you're you're high right now well that doesn't that's not right anyway I mean your your weight class is correct this is where you belong it's like you're fighting perfectly at this weight class there's no problems whatsoever people just don't know what the they're talking about and they don't appreciate the art of what were doing your fight with d John Dawson was one of my favorite fights of the Year thank you it was because it was like it like if I tell if I have a if there's a young guy that's thinking about or young girl that's thinking

53:06about getting into MMA I well watch this fight you're watching a guy fight one of the most athletic one of the most dangerous guys in the in the sport a guy who legitimate one punch knockout power a guy who does flips I mean he's a he's way more athletic than me like if if you're like dude go and do a back flip and do twisty I'll like you know what I can't do it I'm not going to lie like I cannot do run up and do back like that I cannot do it now he's a freak John John doson is a freak but you shut it all down you shut it all down so and you shut it all down not by running away not by avoiding him by engaging over and over again but controlling the distance controlling the the position like you were constantly out of position for him I mean he couldn't he just couldn't find you he couldn't find you masterful you are very knowledgeable in the sport to where half the you were watching they

53:57like so boring so boring I wasn't bored for a second in that fight I was like God damn we were watching art we're watching a masterpiece it was a masterpiece I appreciate it it's one of the best fights ever I really believe like the one of the best performances ever because I think Dodson is so dangerous oh yeah he's so dangerous and I think and I can feel I can tell the point the re points we like when we're training and I'll just get hit so many times so much and I'm like this is stupid like I'm going to get KN I'm going to get knocked out if I if I fight like this but then I Believe In match training and I believe what he says and it worked out good and I could tell there was some relief off of Matt Sher after that fight because we know how it can end like that and we know dson has a power for one shot once it lands it's like well he's knocked out TJ

54:46Dill Shaw yeah I mean you watch that fight God damn he threw some combinations in that fight when he knocked out Dillashaw to win The Ultimate Fighter at 135 he he was in position was at the angle as TJ was getting up to to finish him off and that's where it's like do is dangerous a lot of people a lot of people don't give him the credit he deserves I mean I give him all the credit he deserves that's why after the fight I was like dude good job of being a father you weren't the champ he would be the champ yeah absolutely or or or ores Ben right or or those two so and I think with do going after 135 I think it's a good thing for the young and upcoming contenders because I don't know they probably could get through him but from what I've seen and how I fought doson and how he brings it I can tell that he would be just like Jose how Jo he's being all the

55:36contenders MH I also think that at 135 he'll probably be a bit more healthy yese I think he cuts too much weight and I probably I think that just there's a lot of guys that just they never fight at they at they're not at their Optimum they're just so drained and dehydrated that they just always feel like flat y when they compete you know and I don't neily think that I've seen the him flat at 125 no but I think he was even more Dynamic at 35 I agree because like you said he's not you're not drained like he's a muscular dude you aight like he's not as I mean I think I maybe got I'm going get myself an inch I think I got an inch on him um but he's he's way bigger physically than I am I physically is that a word I just made it up m m Corporation we just copyrighted that 2015 physically put it in the books um it liner would have been interesting if he could make that weight but he just seems

56:29to be like very undisciplined very undisciplined um and that's the thing too he's not like a very big dude but once again you're starting to see him I remember just undisciplined I remember when we were fighting UFC 191 and my wife's sitting there and she goes babe isn't that L over there and I was like yeah L I was like why the he eating pancakes waiting until tomorrow he was eating pancakes the day before the God he fought at 135 so he can do that a dum but he was eating hey he went out there and destroyed uh Cisco Rivera they got an ex strange and obviously that was a crazy fight why the did Rivera fight like that I don't know I just don't understand that fight like Rivera is talented talented he he went three rounds well what two rounds with UAH Faber mixing it up keeping it distance he got I poked and that's the thing but but you get you get rewarded

57:17for fights like that they got extra 50 you get rewarded for didn't make any sense why why not do it you got extra $50,000 I think it was also because liner was known as a knockout artist at 25 he's like you come up to my weight class I'm going to you upud no that dude hits hard liner hits hard he hits hard he's he's built weird you're going to hit hard if you throw from the hips like the great example is ardom um love the guy very good guy but when I see him fight and I'm like ardom L is that what you're talking about Glory uh no no no talking about Conor McGregor is wor artum artam an ultimate fighter oh he fight of course you're going to hit hard you're throwing from the fence I'm like okay the perfect person to be him is the guy who throws from the chamber who can wrestle and leg kick that's the person be like him versus Anthony Pettis anthy Pettis would tear

58:08him all day oh yeah he kill him just because it's solid he hits hard yeah because you're thrown from your hips right well he definitely hits hard but it's yeah I mean it's Sneaky because you don't see those punches coming can be a problem for a lot of guys cuz as he's moving in like they're coming at weird angles you can't predict them yep and with the small gloves they get in there and they find their home you get hit right here you can't block here and you get knocked out but and that's why I'm like like uh John ler he hits hard but once he starts once those those things coming it goes and it's wh so someone who's going to be somebody to beat him is going to be have to be very techical very disciplined yeah who is this uh Lis gnot choked him out so he kind of throws him chamber um I don't know I I just think when you have style when you make if you want to see ACI fight okay I'm

58:54going put a a brawler against a brawler I'm put a brawler against technician people are going to think it's boring it's like uh Rory McDonald I think he's one of the greatest technicians at welterweight I agree very he stays here crosses distance doesn't care what the fans think he goes at the end of day my job is to win this fight I'm going do it very technically and systematically but the Robbie Lawler fight did turn out to be a brawl like Robbie sort of forced it into a brawl the second one or the first one second one see the thing that I felt bad for I didn't feel bad for Robert um Rory McDonald but Robbie is a softpaw and Rory is orthodox if I'm correct and he kept circling into his power like he would Circle he would circle like this I'm like dude what are you doing right you you're you're you're not buying the correct real estate my friend you need

59:40to buy the real estate outside to get your your punch line up so each time they exchange he won the the better exchange which ended up being his downfall but that's why I thought was crazy how the judges had him winning that fight yeah I don't understand that either I guess it was the the round before the stoppage where he head kicked him oh yeah he he had Robbie pretty hurt yeah but God damn what a good fight that was that's one of those fights where you know just you know you watch it and you go wow what a fight but what damage those guys took I I'm not goingon to lie I was in I was in the stands and I was I think I was at that fight and I was sitting there yeah that was the Conor and Conor and Chad fight right he 29 I was sitting I was like you know what I truly hope they take care of him like I truly hope they get taken care of especially where McDonald for

60:24all that damn yeah there's not enough money in the world for me to risk my brain damage like yeah I know I'm fighting right now and they're like well why the you fighting um that's why you know Matt he he'll look at me and there's one time I just BW it out I was like I'm just go I'm just going to let my hands go I'm going take shots get shots had vertigo and Matt was like what the were you doing that was the Ian Mcall fight right the first Ian Mall fight Matt was like what are you doing I was like I want to stand it bang you know I want to you know do the whole thing he goes no no no he goes your talents are your GI it you can you can switch from aspects of mix martial arts without without missing a beat that is your gift your gift is be fast and not let people hit you that's that's what you that's what you have you do it better than I do and you do it better than Brad does so we need to

61:12harness that and then when he told me that and I was like you're right and so that's what I've been doing ever since and that's why you've have not seen me yet you know obviously the first do fight I you know got up and I was like all right let's fix this do you feel like you're still growing you still feel like you're still getting better yep um the reason why I say that is because this is the first time out of my camps usually I'll I'll let myself I don't want to say let myself go I feel like I got fat between camps but this is the first time between uh camps I'm actually lifting heavy um I'm still learning and I'm maturing as an athlete and as a competitor um I think my last fight against doson was the first time I wanted to fight now I was like okay let's see what happens I shoot there was no part in the game plan to me pick his leg up and walk him to the cage

62:02and and punch him and elbow him there was we' never trained that at all or me doing the spinning back elbow and hitting him that stuff I dug up maybe two years ago that Matt's taught me and so Matt is still teaching me stuff that I can use in my fights and I'm able to implement it in my my fighting style so each time when I look in a fight I go okay I'm fighting I'm fighting this person I'll get there and I'll feel the distance I'll test it and then I'll like okay let me dig in my toolbx okay this can take care of this I use it and I try to apply it if it doesn't work okay more second me dig in there and bring it back up oh this is working oh let me see what oh so that was just complete improvisation complete improvisation and a skill that you hadn't really worked on in a long time yep wow that's crazy to do that in a title fight that's what shows you how comfortable you are too

62:48and that's uh me becoming more mature and trusting my skills like Matt says my biggest opponent is me because you he goes dude you could put people in the Matrix you realize that right and I was like really and he goes yes I was like you do it in here all the time you can do it just do it in a fight and that's when I was fighting um I think it was a he goes put him in the Matrix put him in the Matrix and I'm like I with them little ass gloves I I'm not comfortable doing it yet because you get knocked out and then next you know your paycheck's less and it's like oh great now I got to survive all this so um I'm hoping one day I can get to that point to where you guys can see where it's like now that's the a matrix does it frustrate you when you you look at what you're capable of doing and you look at I'm not the only one that thinks you're the best pound-for-pound fighter in the

63:33world but then you see other people that are fighting that don't have maybe the skill set that you have that just get all this hype and all this attention and the more pay-per-view buys and you look at that and go what do I have to do here you know don't I'm not going to lie there comes a point in time where you get pissed off about it it's like not just me but I think people around me who believe in my skill set um but you can't you can't let that uh detour you off your goals like always make fun of people always make fun of myself I was like you know if I end up breaking Anderson Silver's record half the world won't even know who I am and I always call myself the redheaded stepchild from the UFC where it's like they like if people in the day they're like they come to see Dan like Dan White we're interested you know you know pushing your company you know you know

64:18can you tell me some of your great athletes and he'll be like oh you know we have uh you know aners Sil Conor McGregor and all this kind like and he'll be like who is uh Demetrius John Johnson is his name they call him Mighty Mouse he has 13 consecutive Tyler fants why didn't you not mention him at all I don't understand like oh him oh yeah yeah him so I mean I always make fun of myself like you know I'm the ready step child of the UFC because I don't get the exact same hype as other people which is totally fine I'm not out here looking for hype and all that stuff I'm not here to try to prove that the skill set I bring into octagon is if you're going to go on a bar and you're going to in a fight you want bring my in there because you're going to fight and you're going to be able to beat this guy up and he's not going to be able to touch you you're going to walk out of like officer

65:03I was not involved in that fight I had look at my face why your knuckles bleeding sir there are not I was cleaning up stuff so that's that's that's why I want to present and and it it does not translate well over to the fans and all that stuff which is but you finished fights like you knocked out benovitz in the first round you finished hor Gucci with 1 second to go in the last round of Fight You dominating you finished Dodson the same not Dodson uh Moraga in the same situation a fight where you were dominating you still went for the finish and finished them like you have exciting finishes you're preaching the require my friend dude I don't get it I I don't get it like and you know and that's the thing too it's like eventually you know it's almost like eventually they have to eventually hopefully they'll jump on board I guess you say hopefully you know

65:49what you know if if it doesn't happen you know what I'll keep on I'll keep doing my best and winning and and that's the thing too like each time and it could be my personality like when I come into fights they're like so de Johnson um uh uh uh what do you think about this fight I'm like you know I think my opponent's a great fight uh a great guy and you know whether I win or lose the outcome does not change I've never attached to the outcome my of my fights and when I say that is that when I wenton against John dson I wasn't out there like oh man we going to oh oh God that was a great fight man oh you know oh oh hey hey you're not my wife how you doing baby hey let me see you twerk me that's not how goes or if I win or if I lose it that's not how it goes like after I win my fights I go home I relax I spend time with my wife my children and then I call I call up Shan shman I

66:37was like okay what's next so you're still you no matter what no matter not to it doesn't get too high and doesn't get too low exactly because at the end of the day I'm going there's going to come a point time I'm going to lose there's going to come a point time to where you're not going to call me the best fight fighter in the world like it's just it's reality I mean I hope you do I honestly hope you do but forever like like you're in your like you're like babe make sure on my tomstone you put the greatest fighter ever Demetri Johnson but it's reality it's it's it's it's going to happen there's going to be better demish Johnson um maybe 10 or 15 years down the road so for me I keep that in my mind that it keeps me calm it keeps me ground it keeps me humble that way when I got in the fight and you know I'm not on this super high and you know if I lose my title and I come back to

67:21Seattle and they're like you got your ass whoop I was like yeah I did I lost it happens my friend yeah it's called Sports competitiveness I don't know if that's a word or not but I just made it up yes competitiveness is a word good good good um I don't know about that other one though what was the other one physicality I don't even know what it was physicality is a word uh physically physically there it is hey see you use it you you'll be like Joe R what do you about to saying I mean the physically what the I feel like he dominated exactly so if it was a physique contest yeah hey you know what so that just keeps me run it keeps me humble well that's that's a very good attitude it's a very healthy attitude to take and I think when the highs are very high the lows you know when you when you don't get those highs the lows are devastating absolutely I think you see it a lot I

68:08try to learn from the champions of the past and even the present when they lose their belt and there I remember carer spars that we're at a um welcome to the show um press conference and I see her she's holding the belt like this cuz she just got it and um I'm sitting there and they're about to square us off and like the the UFC belt's heavy and they expect us to cure out everywhere right I like I see people like Daniel Corman he brings his boat around and shows it off Tim Silva used to go to bars with it yeah exactly right I'm I'm at the press conference I'm like this I just throw my belt and they're like she was like oh my I can't believe you do it I was like honey let me tell you something the first chance that belt gets a chance to leave you is going to leave your ass and then sure enough she lost to Jordan JJ and I was like uh I should about said it to her

68:56well that was a bad fight for her because she won the title because she won The Ultimate Fighter and the I Love The Ultimate Fighter it's a fun show it's a great showcase for upand cominging talent but the problem is there's just not enough Talent yeah and so a lot of the people that you see fight on The Ultimate Fighter they really shouldn't be there yeah no I I totally agree with you I to I watch some of those guys I'm like oh Christ who let him on the show Dan more about just I don't know man I'm not a promoter I'm the wrong guy for I mean I guess I kind of am in a way when I do those countdown shows and I hype things I'm I'm a hype man in a way but no no no you're you're very knowledgeable in this sport that's why um I I respect your your Insight on fights and even uh Matt hum does and even my Brad curon does I I think um you're not giving yourself

69:46enough praise my friend um listen my job's pretty easy I just watch and talk about it I don't even have to be in shape I don't have to get up early fight don't start till 4 I've done the UFC hung over multiple occasions in the past it's not hard well well you do an amazing job breaking the fight and you're knowledgeable it's very hard to find knowledgeable people in this sport who break it down and you're one of them and you have great Charisma when you do it so when you bring up the perfect example about The Ultimate Fighter how the talent there isn't there like and that's a thing like it's it's becoming more of a show to where it's like this guy's got hands I was like bro you take that boy into a actual like legitimate fight a guy who throws on the chamber who can mix it up you're you're both going to get sink real fast that cash cow's going to go he's exciting yes absolutely but mixed

70:35martialart do you think Bruce Lee was pushing the the aspect of um being exciting and just getting the wars no he was he was trying to push that I'll take two to give one bro yeah yeah exactly to where he he's going to he's going to use his his his his technical ability to to beat you and be finessed about it well ultimately the way I always describe MMA is that what it is is highlevel problem solving with dire physical consequences yep and the best guys are guys like you that don't take on those physical consequences you you solve the problem and you don't you you do damage like at the end of the fight Dodson was busted up his face was all swollen you look fine you you yes exactly that's what you said you solve the problem I mean and it's a very complex problem so difficult to do because it's improvisational you're dealing with incredibly fast people especially your

71:31weight class you're dealing with the fastest people in all of MMA and you're you're dealing with all these different possibilities there's so many variables there's takedowns and kicks and punches and elbows and clinches and you don't know what he's going to do while you're trying to do what you're going to do you're trying to push the pace and you you got to cut angles you got to get the away from them and you have to have all this knowledge in your head of what to do oh he's doing this that means that's coming next I'm not going to be there that and but that's it's like you have to have a just gigantic database of of knowledge it's it's it's it's it's not easy I'll tell you that right now so when you see these guys fight on top and they're like I'm gonna go out there and I'm gonna bang like oh God you're like this is white belt this is who was it uh a guy he fought um he fought Juicy

72:20J and he was like and he went he ended up on uh the you see Tonight Show and he was sitting there and he was like yeah you know I don't like the lighter guys they just they don't they don't they don't do it for me they just do this and he goes I like to bang and I was sitting there in my couch I was like well my friend you're going to have a very short career and a really weird end of your life yeah you don't know where your keys are you don't know who your wife is is this my house I'm not sure let me in and you know what at in the day I be like you know what you might you might bonus maybe 10 times you might have you you know you might make more money than me at the end of the day because you went out there and you sold shillo tickets and you got fight night every single night and all that stuff but you know what I want people to you know when I die and they look they they dig up you

73:04know old DVD tapes and they see they stum across me and they see me moving I was like oh they I want them to be able to sit there I'm like holy this guy's moving fast he's he's on the other side of the the opponent he's he's on the other side of the shoulder and he's he's Landing combinations holy he can wrestle too he just throw a arm bar like who is this person what was his background like you look at Matt Hume and you try to find out who who was Matt hum's coach who was Matt hum's coach I don't know I honestly don't know I'm a Matt fan I don't even know who his coach is exactly and that's that I don't even know who I know one of his coaches but you know he had he he's great wrestler he has a very long extin kickboxing you know and when you look at that stuff and you look how good he fought when he uh fought uh not Pat milage uh what's the guy he's Josh Brett's coaching now um

73:54Eric Paulson Eric Paulson that fight and Matt Hume self-consciously he tells all the time he goes I had to cut him I knew he was not going to stop because I hit him so hard that I knew self-conscious I needed to cut this man to have this man stop coming at me and sure enough he did the knee cut him right there and they like oh back in the day they cut when there was blood CU they didn't have you know control of all the uh athletic commission athletic commission and the diseases and stuff and they're like oh the fight's done and M was like good he's finished and I want be to look back in my in my career like this guy was good he can do it all and so when he said that when he goes I just don't like the little guys they just don't do it I'm like whatever bro well people like to say stupid like that but there's also people that are just dumb there's people that like you know I

74:36don't like fine cuisine I like McDonald's there's a lot of people that love McDonald's fries it's my favorite food bro I like Big Macs and Fries I like to hit my head against the wall there's just going to be always going to be people that have shitty taste yep absolutely like you my friend have shitty taste that's you have mean it's true I mean if you can't appreciate a virtuoso at the most dangerous sport you can't appreciate that because you know you just want guys to stand and bang M that's ridiculous and don't get me wrong I can bang like if I needed to bang and fight and and drag it out I can absolutely do that am I going to appreciate it the next day abs lutely not cuz I've done it and I'm like what day is it babe what no no it never got that wor I should never said that but there are times I'm like you know I'm like babe can you come wash my ass I

75:25can't let I can't I can't you know cuz I've had surgery multiple times in my right hand I've had you know labor surgery and that sh from wear and tearing and and hitting the opponent the wrong way and hit him on the the skull MH to it sucks it sucks to being in a cast like I remember CU Swanson I remember he told me that he he's broken his jaw multiple times and after one of his I think it was a freak he lost he broke his jaw in that fight too broke his SP I remember uh the fre gger fight and he he was like you know I wasn't even going out when he had me in the choke of the end I was like you know what I had a broken job before I don't want it again so I tapped and I was like dude kudos to you my friend you not have to worry about having your jaw wired shut for 6 months because you didn't want to tap I think until you finished horiguchi that was the latest

76:10stoppage by submission ever yep yeah I think but you got I mean how the anybody going to beat yours one second unless it Go six round I'm not going to lie each time it goes five fives and they're like oh and I hear the the Clapping I hear people and they start running I'm like no don't tie like I'm like that was a great fight right it's a good fight what you know when you see boxing and boxing which is not nearly as exhausting as MMA but they fight three minutes yep and then MMA fights five minutes like what do you think about that it's definitely different um because we have a boxer in our gym and he he just likes boxing I'm like dude you should come to mix martial arts like your hands are that good but he can't wrestle or anything like that and the stamina he has to throw so many punches when we Spar it's incredible but when he hits me it's totally different

77:00because when I hit him I'm hitting him with my body instead of him just like like it's not it's not the same so he's an amateur boxer so he's trying he's so he's trying to score I mean he's trying to finish but like when I hit I'm hitting with my body I remember did that Sports Science like who hits harder a boxer or MMA fighter so regenerate from our legs and they are too but we're trying to you know it's just different so when when I'm sparring him I'm you I'm I'm sparring him like a a mixed martial artist like I'm moving my legs I'm switching I'm about to throw a kick I'm loading my hips up it's hard for me to break that habit because I'm in trained that way like when I came in mixed martial arts it wasn't like he you're going to learn how to box hi I'm your boxing coach hey hey Joy Garcia I'm your Jiu-Jitsu coach hey I'm uh you know Silva or hey I'm your M coach it was

77:44like I'm mad Hume um well you got real lucky in that regard real lucky yeah there's not a lot of guys out there that are qualified to do that that all encompassing game planed guy yeah and so now when I do my boxing spart it's harder for me to do it because I can do it and I and I can get the upper Edge but it's like I'm getting tired because we're boxing and I'm just throwing punches I need to throw some kicks to getx up to mix it up I need to get you my clinch to I need and so it's hard but I mean three rounds I mean three minute three minute how many rounds they go 12 rounds in a world title fight World title round that's that's a lot of rounds I mean it is it's a lot of rounds it is definitely a lot of rounds but it's interesting that they only fight three minutes and it's not nearly as tiring you know as MMA yeah you see guys come out the corner you

78:27know Floyd would down he goes I love you Dad remember everything you taught me you know he was he was like he's the best at not getting hit ever in the history of boxing the name of the game is hit that's the name of the game in mix Hearts too hit and not to be hit submit somebody and not to be submitted not what when somebody's idea was like I need to get hit to be exciting well yeah I think it came from The Ultimate Fighter it came from forest Griffin and Stephen boner yep that was awesome but not for either one of those guys I mean Forest is broken up right now I mean his body is a mess and you know he he had a wild crazy exciting career but ultimately you you can't use your body like a battering ram like if you have a car and it's an awesome race car but you want to enter a demolition derby with it that car is not going to last no it's not it's just there's no way around it

79:19there's no way around it no and I think I think I think a lot of people are seeing the ultimate fighter and they're getting that they're getting that view of of this is what some of the other day they said The Ultimate Fighter is degress in the sport and I was like who said that I'm not going to give you his name pass that uh that bottle opener man oh yeah course thank you thank you um he said that the ultimate fighter is degress want another one of these I didn't even finish this it's it's it's we're such deep thought and conversation I can't even extremely deep C but he said the ultimate fighters degress in the sport and I was like really I was like is that a word degress I'm not sure that's a word I it's digressing it's digressing okay deing it's going behind yes it's a godamn word regressing regressing digressing a word Jimmy look that up Google it my friend degress

80:10degress well the sport is I understand I understand exactly what you're saying well then there you go so it is a word then Dam it well physicality wise no physically uh degression degression is a word okay well I just do a little mighty yeah spice into it I get it it's degression it's going backwards and and people are like and I said and I was all ears I was like explain yourself like what makes you say that and he goes well you think people are being on National Television in on Ultimate Fighter and they're fighting to get a contract and they have holes in their game and they're not fixing those holes before going into the house instead of if if if I that was one of the things I would have a hard time coaching with a fighter because I I'll look at I'll you know dissect a person I'm like and I'm like okay let me see you fight let me I'm gonna go with you and I'm like okay you

80:59have a hole here a hole here so are you looking just to fight to make two paychecks three paychecks if if so then I guess you're in the right area but if you're looking to be a royal Champion if you're looking to be able to provide for your family I mean I always tell you all the time when I was in the UFC when I fought for the world championship at 135 I was work on a full-time job and they like you're fight for World Championship you shouldn't be working I was like uh yeah because what if you I lost a fight so now I I made what $14,000 is that what you made to fight for the world title at 135 yes that's well it's it's it's all public record so God damn um and then that's why I that's depressing so that's why I I I was still working even when I fought Koto I mean I made my money then I was like okay every single fight I had in UFC up to the dominant Cru

81:47fight when I broke my Lake in mot Tes I was like I was in Vegas it was almost like a vacation for me you know when Dana when Matt will called me goes hey uh the UFC wants to know if you want to fight uh K I was like I'll be like uh can I call you right back I need to call work to see if I get the day off please wow and I will call my boss Pete bohawk and I'm like hey um so UFC called they want to know what was your job what were you doing for living I working in Papermill uh construction so we built uh basically Sonic tubes so um and we also built v-board so if this uh microphone came to you and it was in protection um it would be like a v-board that would protect it and that's what I was a guy who made it and let's say you needed 2 and a half inches or 3 inches 4 inches 5 Ines whatever I would take it do the math put it in the computer and sit there and it would go and I'll go one

82:36two three four okay there's 10 there you go and do that all day and then when I and I have my phone on me and Matt will call me goes hey the UFC wants to know if you want to fight I'm like I'll run into the bathroom and like hey what's up mant he goes hey you know USC want you to fight K Moto on February uh 5th my debut in UFC 2011 I said hang on let me see if I can day off from work I I go into my office and I say hey Pete what's going on he goes what's Up DJ and I'm like hey do you think I can have a week off to go fight in uh Vegas he goes uh yeah let me see if I can work it out and then I'm like all right I'll come out hey I I don't don't say yes I don't I don't know yet okay and he goes all right we just let me know okay and then sure enough my boss goes yeah you get a week off and I like hey I can go he goes all right I'll let Sean Shelby know you

83:15can fight that's how it was are you still friends with your boss yeah yeah we still hang out all the time he must be happy oh yeah he's well he said he said he would fire me before I I quit uh fighting and doing my real job because in reality that's what's paying my bills that check was coming every single week it was keeping the lights on fighting was not so that's why I tell kids all the time like man I want to be just like you I was like no my friend be better than me go to college get education don't try to put yourself in a in a boat to where this is all you have to do you you need have you know now it's worked out for me where I I'm starting to you know Branch out and try to do other things but that's how the reality was and so that's why I worked full-time well a lot of people believe that if you have a safety net you will fall a lot of people think that it's

83:55best to not have anything to back up on no no no you need you need to say that in this sport even in football right you see it all the time you know like let's look at let's take a good example Colin Kaepernick he started out amazing at one point in time him and Russell were considered I don't know who he is Colin Kaepernick he's uh the San Francisco uh 49ers uh quarterback okay very fast he he at one point in time in his career he was up he was talked about the greats with uh Russell wilon you know who that is right I don't know anybody the only way I know of a football player is if they get arrested oh okay well unfortunately so that's totally fine or they become like so famous like they they somehow or another surpass the sport they you know you know what I mean so a good example uh uh they have to eclipse the sport they have to be like you have to be like an Allard Iverson

84:47for me to know who you are or Kobe Bryant so damn it's so hard to use it because I got so basically this guy he was really good at one point in his career he was killing it running fast out running people trying to get him down and then now he's not doing as well and so let's say he made his money in NFL and let's say he's done they cut him you're done and he didn't have a college education and he wasn't smart with his money he would basically become a bum if he wasn't smart with his money so that's why I always tell people it's good to come into mixed marshal arts with a great college education or something because nine out of 10 times it might not work out for you right and that's why I like just tell people that like people they get discouraged and my my my you know promoters are like dude you can't you need to say this the you that you want to be like demet Johnson you

85:34want to fight like me absolutely but you want to make sure you have a college education something to fall back on because and that's what Matt told me when I lost the title to Domin Cru he was like I think it might be time for you to go to school get your education and I said man I'm going tell you straight up bro I'll die in a warehouse before I go back to school and he goes all right as long as we're clear with that because m in a warehouse if you go back to school no i' rather die in a warehouse you rather die in a warehouse go back to school because school wasn't my thing I just didn't like school like I believe in that if I put 10 years in this job that I should be well compensated and you can spend four or five years in a college education get your college degree and you go out and trying to find job and they're like no you're not you're not uh I like the Starbucks effect the

86:17Starbucks thing and have you heard it no soet coffee and push out local shop so it's like if uh if you if me and you both went to a cop Starbucks and if me and you apply for a job and you're like I'm Joe Rogan I have 15 years as a barista um I know how to make coffee from your cappuccino to Triple shop or whatever and I'm like I have no coffee experience whatsoever they'll like I'mma take you DEET Johnson and people like why you take Jo Rogan he has 15 years and it's like well I had to break his bad habits he's not making Starbucks Coffee he's not making Starbucks Coffee the way I wanted to taste what habits are you going to have to we not talking about brain surgery here people Jesus Christ make me a latte you freak so but that's the Starbucks effect and I believe in that like I believe that if a person does his puts his time in that he should be well compensated to

87:09where that's not how it is in the world nowadays I see what you're saying I see what you're saying so um for you the idea of going to school and putting in all that effort without a definite reward just wasn't exciting at my time and day yes right but what if there was a something that you wanted to do that you had to get educated in like say if you wanted to be a journalist for instance or an engineer yeah where you literally had to get an education yeah I if if it was the point in time and it seemed interested to me then I would have done it but like I I went to school and when I was in um High School I was doing um architectural drawing I drew up floor plans and you know if I see floor plan I can see you know the foundation and the J plate and all that stuff and I was good enough I I my you know my final for that class I built a strip club I call it chicken strips my friend chicken

87:57strips chicken strips why chicken strips you get all the chicken strips you want and get lat dance at the same time so you free chicken strips no no no ain't free you got to pay for that pay for the chicken strips you come you pay you know all you can eat chicken strips and I had oh my God I had a strip club I had the poles right there does have own slaughterhouse connected to it where you get your chicken no no but that was move no but that was that was my uh that was my thing that was my kind of like my Niche you know I love drawing floor plan so for strip clubs for no that was the final it wasck if I would have made if I make millions of dollars if Conor McGregor he might want to invest in this it could be blow the roof off with it what year was this this was in 2005 I think today you probably wouldn't be able to do that in college because the social justice

88:41Warriors who come down on you for wanting to subjugate women in your horrible establishment oh the patriarchy continues Demetrius Johnson wants to keep women prisoner no no no no they get to go home oh yeah yeah yeah yeah show your all day for Daddy and then you can go home I see what's up I see how you working it was very comfortable okay it was a comfortable environment with free chicken or a lot of chicken absolutely so what's the piece of paper man what do you got here all right here we go so obviously one of the new things I've been doing um is I stream on Twitch now and you stream your video games right uh so you used to have a contract with Xbox One till Reebok came along and everything up yeah yeah so um me so yeah that that that was going on um obviously then the rebok deal came in so we obviously Xbox they didn't want to be part of you know there was they wanted

89:37that Prime spot on pay-per-view or even Fox they actually preferred Fox over pay-per-view because Fox way more views millions of people millions of people so when that came in they're like you know my buddy was like I think he this comes to AC cross my friend and I was like dude I I totally understand so that's that's when they left but I'm still cool with the guy I actually just talked to him he's actually going to be down here um tonight possibly so did you see the latest rebok up Anderson Alo t-shirts and they wrote Anthony Pettis his nickname as the merer are you serious yes I swear to god it feels like someone inside a reok is trying to sabotage the company it's it's so the the the mistakes are so frequent and so bad the misspellings of the names over and over and over again it's like do you have a single person that's paying attention to that

90:22there's a lot of people but I understand they could have one person like your job is to make sure before the prodct goes out you check the name well who the is the guy that said yes to any of those shirts how about that guy who's that guy who's that guy that looked at those kids who's who's the guy that told them they should wear white shorts do you know there's blood and dirt and all kinds of hey that's why I rock the black my friend black a good move good move um but the whole thing so yeah that happened with the Xbox design all the above right it happens to me God damn it um but then when it came to uh the Xbox deal that that kind of fell out and then the reblock deal came and so now that I'm in I I feel like I'm in this point of my career to where people are like man you should you should make your shirt you should do this so right I like that shirt is that a Mighty Mouse

91:06shirt this is the first Mighty Mouse shirt I've ever done in my whole life that's dope I like it can I get one of them in a large absolutely they're in production right now so we'll get it we'll we'll take care of you um but now I feel like I'm in a point in my career to where a lot of people say oh he's boring um he doesn't let him op but open himself up to the fans so I was like you know what all right I started streaming a couple times on Twitch and then things went well with twitch and so now when people are like oh you don't open up your friends like bro you I post on Twitter where you come ask me any question you want live on Twitch and we can talk you can make money on Twitch right absolutely you can um if if you get enough subscribers and you get enough followers you know what does your Twitch handle so we can get you some subscribers my twitch channel is my

91:48mouse UFC 125 so you have toy simp yeah pretty simple so that's it but if you know how to do it it's ww. twitch.tv/ mightymouseufc125 but so that's like my kind of like my psychic that I like to do interact with my fan uh my fans because I've always played video games in between training sessions right um leading up to doson fight second n what your game what do you play I play all types of I play Dark Souls 2 I play Dota 2 I play DotA Dota 2 it's a MOBA it's a multi online battle arena it's Christ weird it's I because when I found twitch I was rocking my son to sleep and I was like this is good I was like I want to watch TV I want to watch video games and I started reading I was like watch video games while walking my son is sleep I'm like okay now I start watching people play video games and that's how I fell into it It's oddly enjoyable watching

92:38people play video games you know I'm not going to lie it is it is it is I used to watch people play Quake all the time I loved it yeah you see I mean I I think it's it taste you have to have a taste for it so um but this is from this is from the mighty Squad my boys Mighty Squad um I you know my subscribers like to give them perks you know to be able to ask the wonderful geord Rogan certain question so um we already kind of hit hit on this already but um you the first one is thoughts on the IV band you gave your perspective of it already I don't like it but I don't like people cutting too much weight either you know I don't like either one uh I think you should be able to fight at your own weight I feel like what like what do you weigh now I weigh 141 141 what is what do you weigh when you're in perfect shape 141 okay you should be I think that's what you

93:26should fight at and I think everybody should fight at the weight that they're in perfect shape I think the weight cut is is contrary to what MMA and martial arts should be about in the first place it shouldn't be about having this it's it's it's it's like it's like legal cheating it's really what it is it's like you're pretending you're 155 lbs when you're really 175 yep absolutely it really is like cheating I don't like it I I think it's dangerous I think it's bad and I also think it's stupid because everyone's doing it that's what makes it stupid because like if you were the only one if you really weighed 175 and you were cutting down to 155 like and everybody else was just a natural 155 well ho you'd have a crazy Advantage cuz you get to balloon up to 175 but everybody's doing it so there's zero Advantage everybody's just weakening themselves the day before they fight in

94:14a cage to me that is so counterintuitive and so stupid but I don't know how to stop it at this point in time I literally don't I think you can I think the only way to stop it is to tell Fighters tell everyone to get in shape and to have like a massive Summit and you have a massive Summit and you have everybody uh have all the fighters you got to pay them to do this too by the way you should pay them to do this get them get everybody in shape give them a paycheck say I want you guys to all come to Vegas we're going to measure your water we're going to measure your body fat we're going to measure your actual weight and champions we're going to give you a pass we're going to give you every every Champion but this is the pass you are still the world title like say if you you're you're the world title holder at 125 if you weigh 141 you you still will go into that fight as the world flyweight

95:02Champion okay and you will compete against people who are also naturally at that weight class and I assume it' be everybody in that weight class I assume it'll be guys like liner and Ian McCall and there' be a lot of guys that are very similar to you when they're at their Optimum weight class you know obviously between five and six pounds or whatever the hell the difference is and then make the weight class is like that and and take all these guys and and whoever it is like Weidman like Weidman apparently is getting down like in the 190s now really that's what I do eight weeks out no booze cleaned out no boozing cleaned up his diet and he's been really light for this fight apparently cut out boozing 934 which is really crazy for a guy that has been like well over 200 lbs mhm and I think that if if this was done and done correctly where you really monitored

95:52people made sure there was no cheating and say look you know Tyron Woodley this is the weight you should be fighting at Matt Brown this is the weight you should be fighting at and much more weight classes y much more and I think they did that with uh high school wrestling because they um they do the hydration uh test cut and I think another thing they could do is you know what you weighing you weighing and you fighting the same day the problem with that though is that guys are still going to cheat they're still going to cut they get that ass whop and then they're going to find out that's her well I was going to say that's our fun you know what it's simple it's simple it's like when someone's like oh I didn't make I was like dude as a fighter we have two jobs make weight and fight and if you can't do one of them then you shouldn't be able to do the second one so that's

96:33why I'm like I I agree with you I think if they did the hydration test and like but I think a lot of people if there was no money on the line if you were still going to get paid I think they would be more excited for that yeah I think that it's a it's really counterintuitive to Performance I think when you're asking guys to fight at their best the idea of dehydrating the out of yourself the day before the fight like Connor before he fought Chad Mendes looked like an AIDS patient oh yeah he looked like a guy who had been like on a ship floating in the ocean for a month just eating his own toenails it look horrible he looked terrible I think that the best way to accomplish that would be to you know to have like they have this UFC campus that they're building you know they need to have like they need to have a comprehensive approach to stopping weight cutting in the sport and I think

97:21one of the best ways to do that is to give guys a lot more options I think and Dana doesn't want to do that he thinks the amount of Champions they have is not but I wholeheartedly disagree with that well I think they're going to come in more times of of how many pay-per-views going to sell the MoneyWise and all that stuff because man the pay-per-views are going to be good if the fights are good oh that's true yeah right when fights are good pay-per-views are good but people like watching fights they don't give a if there's oh so it was a all better when you had eight Champions just shut the up it's good when there's fights the fights are good it do matter what weight class when you have 85 to 205 you got a problem when you have 205 to 265 you got a giant problem that's a those are two giant problems right there 20 pounds is 20 T-bone steaks think about 20

98:10T-Bone Saks you you you that's the difference between you and the next guy whether you shrivel it out of your body or whether you pack it on your body that's crazy it's crazy this should be every 10 lbs minimum minimum is that how more seven like 47 to 54 so there's there and then there's 54 to 60 that's another six there 60 to 68 that's eight yeah you know they don't seem to have to 75 that's seven I mean there's a lot of weight classes in boxing man well if that happened I'll be two time champion because I'll go up and fight at like 13 what 137 or 138 yeah that would be healthy 1 131 132 and you they would weigh you they would check you you would be healthy and I I think we we there's a there can be a way to cut it out of the sport but I think extreme weight cutting was brought into the sport by wrestling and wrestling has figured out how to cut it down

99:02substantially I think MMA should try to do the same yeah russl don't even play I remember one of my buddies he was like his he was in high school and he goes I'm doing my hydration test I'm going to I'm going to Super hydrate and I'm going to cut myself he went doctor and like nope go back home and come in hydrated and we'll let you know then they came in they test him like okay you can lose three lbs and then you can lose then have to wrestle up a different weight class at the New Year cuz you always get a pound allowance at the New Year cuz they take in consideration of uh the holidays but I like your Insight I agree with you all right second question how long do you see yourself commentating uh for the UFC I don't know I don't know I don't know my my contract's up in August I might leave in August oh yeah it's possible I I I I like I like doing that scares me yeah he's also goes

99:50I'm in front of Conor McGregor you kill me right now no I mean I like I like doing stuff that like I like Taking Chances in that like I like walking away from things I like I like doing that I like experiencing new things I think you open up new doors your mind starts firing a different way I'm not a big fan of doing the same over and over and over again okay like when I do standup comedy I have to go to different places I like I have The Comedy Store that's like my main spot but I like to go to like weird spots I like to do like I'll do a weird open mic night in the middle of nowhere I I it's I think it's really important I like to go to new places I like to travel I like to uh I like to just get in my car and drive places just get out of my car and walk around and check out places I think you got to experience different things in life and I like to plan those things out

100:37and I've been doing the UFC for a long time I will never stop being a UFC fan that's that's not going to happen I love the sport but there's probably going to come a time where I don't do commentary anymore and it might be sooner than later or I might not I mean August might roll around and I might say you know man I love this let's just keep doing this but I might not too I you might not show up to UC 1994 you might like it babe I'm staying home definitely definitely that's not going to happen I'm going to be there for that 100% I I love it man it's not that I don't love it it's just that I like doing a lot of other too yeah absolutely I I I'm a I I probably have something wrong with me like I probably have like some OCD or add or something whatever you know if I was a kid they'd probably put me on some but um I think that uh I I just like experiencing different thing I'm I'm constantly

101:25trying to absorb new information I'm I'm always watching documentaries and reading books and reading things like I like new stuff all the time so ni I don't think that my love for MMA will ever die off but it's very possible that I won't want to do it as a career sometime in the future all right okay that's that's a good ass answer all right third one what is your favorite memory in the UFC I don't have one I definitely don't have one I have too many awesome memories this too many it's in to be able to do that for the past 13 yeah I guess 13 years it's been amazing it's it's a great job man it's incredible to go there and watch the all-time best Combat Sports athletes in the world in mixed martial arts compete and to be right there for most of the best fights ever and to call them you know I mean I'm I'm extremely honored so I don't have any one perfect memory I just have

102:24a lot of great ones okay all right what is your favorite MMA fight to call what has been your best MMA fight to call when you again I don't I don't think I have one I'm sorry I didn't even ask that question but it's all right it's I just don't I don't think I have one there's been some amazing ones man like Dan Henderson versus Shogun but but that's for all the wrong reasons yes there fuing just beating the out of each other whereas like your fight against Dodson was like for all the right reasons you know I I think I like both of those kinds of fights if I'm going to be look they're going to do that whether I'm there or not you know I'm not their dad I'm not the boss I'm not the king of the world they're going to do it I can't stop them like if some wants to jump over the Grand Canyon in his dirt bike and I'm there I'm going to watch I'm not going to go I'm out of here this

103:14is stupid I'm going to go let me see if this dude lands on his head I'm going to watch I don't necessarily you all sit in the car where you window like don't you see it I don't want to hear the crunch of his skull hitting an overhang you know when he misses the third flip but I don't you know I I can't I can't stop someone from fighting like like Chico Rivera and John liner when yeah when um when Francisco Rivera fought John liner and those guys went to part of me was because I really like Francisco I wanted to go what the don't do that man don't do that move kick his legs you know throw com combinations catch him with his hands down winging from the hips don't stand right in front of him and do his yeah but the other part of me goes oh this is crazy I mean Part of Me loves it Part of Me loves it and part of me the the the part who appreciates an artist like yourself I

104:12don't like it because I don't want more people to emulate that cuz I don't want to see more people all up yeah absolutely all right uh favorite versus TJ Dill shaww Faber versus TJ Dilla man there's a lot of emotions involved with those two fight huh I I don't know I I have I I have very I'm very torn on that I like both of those guys but I'm I'm a big fan of loyalty and I do not like when someone just gets up and leaves a camp that has been so good to them like alpha male has been but I also I also feel like with a guy like TJ he had this deep connection to Dwayne Ludwig yeah and Dwayne Ludwick has done some incredible for his career without a doubt no doubt about it and I think Dwayne I've worked with Dwayne before and I've watched Dwayne uh train fight I watched dra uh Dwayne train TJ I've watched him work with Brendan Shaw um he's held pads for me and and and

105:16gone over his philosophy cuz I was like well tell me what you teach guys how do you do this how do you set things up and I'm very impressed with his he's completely crazy but in the best way for a trainer cuz he's obsessed like the day that TJ fought bar I had lunch with Dwayne and it was hilarious because it was me and a bunch of my friends we're all sitting down in um I don't was MGM or Mandalay Bay whichever one we're all sitting down having lunch and uh TJ didn't give a or uh Dwayne didn't give a who else was at the table he all he was like was like basically what's going to happen is this the fight the way this way is going to go down he's like BR always has a to lean to his left as soon as he lean to his left TJ's not going to be there he's going to be the right he's going to think the overhand R is going to be big this fight and he's like he's

105:59rattling off things I can I'm trying to keep up with them I'm like drinking coffee just to try keep up with his words but he's obsessed he's obsessed with making guys better and I think TJ recognizes that and I think that personality-wise Dwayne and Faber just did not it just clashed it didn't work out depends on I mean I don't I like your a lot I think IAH is awesome I love him as a person and I like Dwayne a lot so I don't know who the is right and who the is wrong I literally have no idea right so I don't know what really went down but I know it didn't work out but I know that for uh Danny Castillo and I know for uh TJ having Dwayne coach them has been a huge benefit I don't like that TJ took off but I don't know the specifics and I don't also don't know what Muscle Farm is offering them Muscle Farm I don't understand muscle F this is what I don't understand those

106:56dudes if you look at the financial reports those guys are hemorrhaging money they're hemorrhaging money so I don't I'm not sure what's going on there it might be some rich dude like that Dynamic Fastener guy that was like sponsoring everybody might be some dude who owns Muscle Farm that just loves MMA I mean maybe their products are awesome and they're just like they really believe in them and they're building up the company and this is part of their strategy I don't know but they're throwing a lot of money at a lot of really good Fighters they got Matt Browns over there now I saw that they just he just moved the whole family out there Y and I I hope they don't go under you know cuz when you know we've looked cuz I I'm a part owner of on it so we've looked at the Muscle Farm business model and we're like um not what the is going on here I mean maybe we're not seeing

107:43something I mean maybe I'm missing something maybe there's some Revenue that we're not aware of but as it's been explained to me they're they've made a let's just put it this way positive spin they've made a significant investment in that gym a significant investment in MMA and a significant investment in their company that I don't I don't know necessarily whether or not it's been profitable yet I'm obviously talking out of my ass because I'm not a financial guy but I like what they're doing in in terms of in terms of building this giant team in terms of putting together this worldclass facility I mean their facility is super impressive I mean I've seen the gym that they put together it's amazing man it's awesome I I a dream of doing something like that someday I think that would be Inc if I do ever leave uh commentating for the UFC one of the things for sure I

108:31want to do is open up a big gym with guys like Eddie Bravo and get in some you know great striking coaches and you know and just do it for the enjoyment you're all there in the UFC you're like all right come on champ all right come on there you go there you go you're all people see I don't I maybe but I doubt it I will be watching from the sidelines you know that's one of the hardest things for me is to uh commentate on people that I like like Rhonda Rhonda's a friend of mine and Rhonda when she got up by Holly you know I I co I commentated that fight just like I would people I don't even know you're doing your job but I but I do know her you know and I like her a lot and when she got head kicked I was like Co damn your face afterwards I was like I got well you know what the best part about that was filmed by John Wayne par who is a multiple time world

109:19myay Tha Champion he's a 10- Time World myay tie Champion he's a good buddy of mine who's with his young daughter who's also a fighter his young daughter's a fighter and she's a huge Rhonda fan and I not only did I get them tickets I I pulled them from their seats and had them sit behind me in the production seats so they so they were right there so when when she got head kicked I turned to look at John and Jon's got his iPhone off I'm like and that video has got like millions of hits now because it's it's so crazy to watch that reaction right after that kick but that was a hard one man because I I care about her a lot and I also I I don't agree with a lot of like her training and their coaching and all that stuff like if I if I I mean who knows when the dust settles yeah I would tell her to go to Matt Hume there's two people I'll tell her to go to Matt and

110:09fasah hobby those are the two guys ra Cordo HF Cordo is very good very close to her yes Matt speaks very highly of him he was like me and me and my friends always talk about like if we if Matt was like hey guys I'm done I'm done coaching we were like where would you go and I was like you know what it might be Roc I heard they Spar pretty hard there so they gotj so but I'm like I'm like hey guys can I just train I don't want to spar hard I told you I was like dude I don't need to spar hard I was like I'm pretty sure when I get into an octagon I'm pull the trigger you ain't got to worry about that don't worry about that you've been pulling the trigger for a long time but it's like you know that's that old shoot the Box style those old habits die hard those guys used to beat the out of each other for puppies I know you ever heard that story yeah I did

110:53Shogun and vay Silva they brawled over a puppy and whoever could knock who out like Shogun apparently had a puppy for sale and Vander didn't want to pay as much as Shogun wanted for it so Vander said if I knock you out I don't have to pay but if you knock me out I'll pay and vanderlay knocked him out when when Shogun woke up vandelay was holding his puppy he was like you see my friend that's some cold but I'd also think there was a lot of ignorance involved and I don't think they understood head trauma y you know and and I think there were a point in time to where now I think everybody start to understand like that's the thing about the DOA thing I totally respect what he did where he was like I need to go to be with somebody who's going to put 110% into me and that's the Wayne lugwig Team Al they've done an amazing job and and and still doing a good job trying to keep that

111:40team together but at the same time this is a business we're all trying to make money at the end the day your right fa he's Tak care of regardless if he ever becomes a champion or not he he's done did it he's I told you right in his face I was like dude you might never be the Champion but you'll probably be the most lucrative successful 135 pounder to walk this Earth well he's a very smart guy business-wise too he's really good at flipping houses you know he's he's he owns a few houses buys them and sells them he's a smart dude yeah very very clever guy and I think with TJ he saw that if he went with Dwayne lugwig which he should because Domin Cruz ain't no joke that he is going to be able to keep on being five 6 7 8 9 10 to but here's the counter to that was like how much of how good he got was sparring with Joseph benv sparring with Chad Mendes sparring with Lance Parmer

112:30sparring with uh Cody garbrandt you know being in the gym with those monsters that are his weight class every day that's also a big factor that's true I think the combination of Dwayne and them was substantial he can CH he can try those tools out on them um just don't think man whatever the reason they couldn't work well you know there's nothing perfect in this world you know I have to say my favorite quote by TJ DOA was like team upill they got a physical therapist I was like I don't have a physical therapist physical therapist muscle Farms taking it to the next level all right number six how did you get into broadcast for the UFC Dana White talk me into it I had no desire really zero desire you're like dude I much people eat for for a living before that I worked for the UFC I worked for the UFC in '97 I worked for the UFC in 20 uh well 19 1997 UFC 12

113:25okay not 2012 uh 1997 in Dothan Alabama it was the first UFC uh where they were supposed to be in New York they're supposed to be in Buffalo and they moved it down to uh to Dothan so I did that and I did it for about two years then I decided to quit and when I decided to quit and um I was very content not doing it and I was excited when zua purchased it and so then they had their big uh pay-per-view event long I was before I started working for them where Tito Ortiz fought Vladimir matenko right after September 11th it was a big event in Vegas and uh me and Eddie Bravo went down for it and I became friends with Dana White and uh you know Dana and I we just talked about fights we would get together and you know he knew me from Fear Factor and that's how he they were trying to get celebrities to come to the fights and so they would give you tickets and like that and I was

114:16just Talent I'm like what about this guy you know about this guy what about that guy you ever see this guy fighting you ever see shudo you ever watch shudo you and started rattling off all this different to and so he started going why don't you do commentary and I was like dude I don't want to do commentary I'm busy man I heard you stand up I'm I I was I had two gigs back then too I was doing the UFC or I was doing um Fear Factor and I was hosting the man show and I was doing stand-up comedy so I've always done like a gang of different you know I was always just try to I just I don't know there the OCD part I was just really and so then Dana asked me to do it so UFC 37 and a half which was I think in 2002 that was uh my first ever uh UFC that I commentated on was Chuck Liddell versus vtor oh wow yeah and it was on uh best damn Sports show remember best damn

115:03Sports show I do yeah they they had it uh they they aired the UFC on best Dam Sports show and so I watched uh I commentated on that and then uh Dana tried to get me to do all of them and then I said no listen man I go you know how about this I go I'll do I'll do I'll do some commentary I go just get my friends tickets to the fights and I'll do commentary so that's what we like the first I think like 10 or 15 shows I didn't get paid at all wow I didn't even ask for money I didn't want any money I go just just get fly me out there get my friends tickets so you know like Eddie and a couple other my buddies from Jiu-Jitsu we'd come and they were fans we' they would sit in the front row we watch the fights and then after we go eat steak and relax and have a Time take care of my boys yeah this is fun we had a good time you I was like this is great to be able to was we were

115:54always big UFC fans one of the things we would always said is what the UFC really needs is some crazy millionaires who have all this money in the world who are willing to spend a ton of money to promote the sport and if they did that man the sport is so exciting it could really be huge and so that was our thought process behind it and it's almost like we manifested the fertitas and the fertitas out of nowhere became these guys that were these like super millionaire billionaire characters that were fans of the sport and so from 2002 on i' I've been doing it nice man love it love it that you're there all right have you ever commentated high no oh there you go it's probably per like a little lingering like I wouldn't have passed any tests yeah but um I never do now um maybe that was like really early on but um like in the early 2000s but no I I'm so for all of them good good all right

116:54here it is even The Hangover thing I'm never hung over anymore that was early early early early days yeah and only a couple times cuz I remember my brain just wasn't firing that good I was like oh this not good Mike's like Joe you're all right he goes yeah yeah yeah just he never says that it's always me asking him Mike am I okay go I don't know Joe you're not firing today um this one is uh be kind of toart uh thoughts are people going to Bellator and testing the free uh free agency market I think we need more competition and I think it'd be great if Bellator becomes giant first they should ditch that stupid name I think Bellator what's what is a Bellator try explaining that to your Gardener try explaining that to your boss bell Bellator it's like MMA what is like what is M what is MMA it's like the UFC oh okay yeah nobody knows what the that means they should call it Spike TV

117:47mixed martial arts if they were smart they would just call it mixed martial arts when you watch Boxing you don't give a if it's Don King or Bob arum or Golden Boy it's boxing it's boxing and that's what MMA should be I mean what right now we've got this NFL situation where like when you watch football you really watch the NFL there's no other options you got Canadian football which is ridiculous right or you've got the NFL that's it Y and that's the situation right now we have for with MMA even though I work for the UFC and I love the UFC I don't think that is a good model I don't think it's a good model for the athletes I think the best model for the athletes is the model that boxing has and that's why when you look at how much money the top boxers make um the difference between how much the promotion makes and how much the the athletes make there's it's sided more

118:37towards the athletes in boxing than it is in MMA and I think with a company like Bellator you know they're back by Viacom and I think the good thing about something like Viacom is that Viacom is this multi billion dooll huge multimedia company the bad thing about it is they're a business and they're not in the business of MMA like the UFC Dana White and the fertitas are huge mixed martial arts fans they love the fights and they have no plans on bailing on the UFC it's a very profitable Venture they make tons of money it's a huge success and they built it to be that giant success so they deserve everything they get Viacom does not feel that way Viacom is to win it they're in it to make money and the moment it stops making money they're going to cast it aside the same way they did Glory they got rid of Glory that's right that's right that was a huge up on their part that was a

119:33gigantic because first of all highle kickboxing is some of the most exciting you could ever watch it's super super exciting and for them to bail on that I just think is ridiculous I just think it doesn't it's so shortsighted and I think their promotion sucked I don't think they did a good job of of getting people excited about it I don't think the promotion like the uh the actual um um the actual the way it was produced the production of it was that good it's just like what you have is an amazing product you got Nikki holin you got you know Joseph walini you got Raymond Daniels you got all these wild ass kickboxers you got Rico verhoven you got amazing amazing talent you just got to figure out how to promote them put the money in Make That Money put the money in and get the return that's not the business they're in they're in the business of profitable promotions profitable

120:26television shows profitable Productions whatever they put together they wanted to make money and when you start seeing those 200,000 views 300,000 views they're like this yeah and they tried that one pay-per-view which is a extreme disaster I remember that one so poorly planned so poorly planned first of all you don't have a pay-per-view where you show them hours of free first and then you make him watch the Pay-Per-View it's like that's what the UFC does dummy but the UFC is an established brand you idiots when the UFC does it it's a it's an appetizer they're building it up they're getting your lips wet and you're like it we're in all the we're ordering pizza we get the beer out we're doing this we're doing it all night yep I think they tried to emulate that model and it's not smart boxing doesn't do it that way nobody else does it that way and I don't think they should have done

121:18it that way and I definitely don't think they were ready for pay-per-view I think that cost them a lot of money and you know they started going deeper and deeper into the red you know yeah I agree I agree I always think it's good to have a good competition because it makes people decide after their contract is up with the UFC or Bellator or uh other places then they can decide on hey like what G Molen he testing the market for Bellator and from the word on the streets that he got a good deal with the UFC so um I think it's good competition I think it is good competition I also think that it would be it would be great for everybody including the UFC I think that if the the the Bellator promotion really kicked it into gear and started putting on really high quality shows with guys who you look at them like say if Jon Jones was over in Bellator Jon Jones left and went to Bellator good

122:04googly moogly starts smashing people and then Guston went over there or a couple other guys go that would be Giant and it it would force everybody to rise up oh it forces everybody even if Glover you know someone who's like a real top 10 contant Glover toera or Ben Henderson Ben Henderson he he might yeah look Ben asrin to this day I I'm pissed that Ben Asen was never signed by the UFC I think that's a disaster well Dana White rather watch two dogs uh two fights over than uh watch him wrestle I don't understand that that's not how I look at it the way I look at it is like you've got the sport which again I I call highlevel problem solving right that's what MMA is and then you got this guy who's just this giant problem he's such a wicked Grappler he's so good and people go oh he's boring like not to me not to me how do you solve this problem when I watch fire I'm

122:54like how what H let me sit back and watch this again H what how about this watch baseball that is so boring I tell millions of people watching I've had uh Sweets Unlimited drinks El food you know you know what I did I I fell asleep and you know who was right next to me sleeping Joseph Benz my friend me and him were out in Toronto just of course well you guys are tired from training why would I waste my valuable mental and physical resources stand away for this when I can just recover this and you look over at him he's sleeping I'm sleep too exactly yeah I got to get a couple selfies then I'm going to bed yeah get a couple selfies with him blacked out yeah I think that um I think MMA should be pure that's what I think and I think that a guy like Dan Ben asrin he presents a pure problem and that that problem is he's got a a very strong skill and he's he's incredibly gifted

123:53and talented in one aspect of MMA and I want to see a guy like that I want to see you throw that guy in with everybody I want to see what can he do to Carlos K maybe he takes Carlos K down Carlos can't do to him like you that's why I like you people are like people are like oh man Sage North C he's too young that I want to see him fight Anthony Pettis yeah I want to see his athletic ability against somebody who's just as athletic and skillful yes I understand building them up Rising him the occasion who cares yeah he lost who cares he'll come back he's young he can he he get better what's not you know I'm not saying they're pampering him right now a lot of eyes from you know a lot of eyes out there are like oh oh he's this is one thing that pisses me off where people were like he's not ready for that fight he's not ready for that fight how do you know well this is the thing

124:42here's here's my opinion when you come to the UFC this is this is the hippie the the the thing my am career was so long that Mt wanted to make sure when I got into when I F when he called me when Sean sh called him goes hey we got a fight for Dem Johnson we want we want to sign him after I knocked out Jesse Brock in Alaska and Matt was like okay who do you want him to fight and he goes uh Brad picket right any other coach who be like no no no no no no no no no I don't want him to fight Brad picket Brad Pickett's tough he's good you know what Matt said absolutely let's do it I believe de sh be anybody out there I went out there and I fought my ass up broke my hand and lost the fight and was mad upset no he wasn't upset at all he goes dude that was your first fight in the Big Show you went out there fought your ass off you performed way more than my expectations so why not why

125:30not let's thr Sage North cut against uh who who you think be a good fight well I don't know but I mean uh here's a Counterpoint to that the Counterpoint to it is you look at a guy like Mayweather who was an Olympic star went from that to enter into MMA and was slowly built up now here he is 49 and0 supposedly retired but we both know that's he'll be back in April when they build that huge stadium in Vegas that's what I guarantee you I'm going predict it right now he's going to be back in April and he's going to fight Manny Pacquiao after Manny Pacquiao recovers from shoulder surgery and it'll be the biggest fight ever next to the last fight which was the biggest fight ever he's come he's not going to pass up on money and he's still young and he's still awesome he's why would you tie your record with another person where you can have the record exactly Rocky Marciano not

126:19only that I think Rocky Marciano fought his brother more than once really yeah that's the rumor the rumor is Rocky Mariano fought his brother at least once maybe more than once so his record might really like for unquestionably Rocky Marciano was one of the greatest boxers of all time unquestionably a nasty brawler you watch his victory over like Jersey Joe Walcott that nasty knockout he was a brw and he was 189 lbs he was 59 and he was a heavyweight I mean it's incredible I mean he might have been 510 I don't know but he wasn't a big guy it's a different world back then people it was hard to get food yeah you know it was hard it was it was hard for people to get big you know the average person during World War II the average man or not World War II um the Civil War the average man was like 130 PBS there you go right here there's no food I mean there there were no Giants

127:13back then it was really difficult like when a guy like Jack Johnson came along everybody was like what the cuz he was a legit heavyweight but they called him you know they called him a giant and uh I mean what was he like 6'2 I think I think Jack Johnson was 6'2 you know that's what I think you know I don't I don't think people were big back then I think it was a totally different world but um how how tall was he Jamie 6'2 see I know my um what was the original question what the hell how did we get to that we ran off talking about uh what was it where' we start from oh Sage North cut fighting and how like oh he's for that fight my student if he was my student I would test the waters I would the first fight that he fought uh true who was the guy who fought I forget the the gentleman's name but it was a really quick stoppage we don't know anything other than the

128:10fact that he's explosive and fast and he took advantage of an opportunity stopped the fight quickly I think that if time goes on um he is going to he's got a lot of potential and he's got a lot of marketing potential and you got to look at it as a massive investment and I think that you would you would start to build him up give him some tougher and tougher fights and then you know maybe when he's 20 21 then Le's 19 I like you said he 20 21 I'm like I didn't get U till I was what 24 2 24 that's still perfect I think you I think Matt Hume is uh like one of the best and smartest trainers and strategists so I think his movement of you and getting you into position was perfectly orchestrated I think a guy like Sage needs someone like that to to be in his corner you know Ronda obviously didn't have that yeah you know obviously she didn't have someone who's covering all the bases and

129:05uh I think you need someone who covers all the bases like we don't know like how good is this kid on the ground I mean how good is this kid's wrestling you know what does it look like if he gets in there with a guy who who can take him down at will you know H have him spar with a guy like Asen let's see what happens let's see what happens if he wrestles with a guy like ask just breaks him he's like I call this the blanket yeah yeah exactly I call this to smell my balls so ride your face what are you going to do try to get me off and I think that's get me off of you I should say I think a guy like like I think you need to be exposed to all these different styles to find out where are the holes where's the holes in your game and uh and not wait till you get to the big championship and then you fall happens okay happens but it it happened the first time she fought a

129:56real kickboxer you know totally agree that makes more sense when I mean I remember edman telling me that you know he had a background on ta Mondo and you know he can't kick Ronda and no one's going to be able to kick Ronda I was like you're like EV I was like okay what the happened you said I just him saying that I was like okay what let can I just see you kick can I just see what this background looks like like this just just a goddamn giant difference between Anthony Pettis and you let's just be realistic you know those gu I mean Anthony Pettis he's you know that when you get like these world class kickers you know like yeah there's a difference between a trainer like an Edmond and Anthony ptis I'd rather get K I rather get punched in the face than get kicked oh yeah if if you've never been like yeah my dream was one day to meet crocop like dude I want you to kick me in the

130:49leg him and Aldo like when I first when I like I love Al he was like my biggest inspiration like uh crocop Andre lski and Jos Alo were my biggest Inspirations and I was like when I met uh Aldo I don't speak Portuguese I was like dude just kick me I want to I just want because that's like thing I was like feel it I just want to feel like what makes people like de like yeah I was like just just kick me just once and I'm not I don't have I I don't speak Portuguese so or even or even uh uh cop like I've never met before God you don't want that guy kicking you I was like dude just kick me but Matt mat was like dude it's easy the for crop kick he weighs he he's he fights a heavyweight he goes a heavyweight can kick they just got to throw their leg on you and they they're kicking so those were always my thinging like I want to get kicked by those guys his highlight reel of Kos

131:40that left high kick oh yeah it's like no one else ever n that vanderlay one he Flatline vanderlay Vander just collapsed in a hump yeah oh my God God damn damn he was badass in his day yeah so um I don't know what the original question was that's my answer I love the answer I love it um is that it is that all the questions that's all the questions they had a lot of Jackass questions and I'm not about bringing jackass who dick would you suck if you had to stay alive if you at the bottom of the ocean and someone's dick contained oxygen who who would it suck to get up there would you do it yeah there's uh the internet is amazing in that anybody can talk but this it's the pros and it's the cons of it you know but ultimately the it's Pro there there's been times I just want to it's actually I've gotten a lot better like I won't even go on MMA I won't go on any uh MMA sites anymore

132:45just just won't I'm like the only reason I'm going to go on Twitter is if I'm looking for something or if I'm going to post something about me um coming on here or or stream or anything like that because a lot of people just talk it's like like stop talking like stop talking just well you also have to think about it this way and they should probably think about it this way too like what are you doing like if you're if you're going online like I'll look at some sometimes someone will talk to me and I'll go to their Twitter account and I'll realize that's all they do yeah it's all they do is talk to me I look at their Twitter account I'm like this you need to get someone's help yeah you know someone needs to talk to you like your whole Twitter feed is me you're telling me I'm a loser but I didn't even know you existed until 2 seconds ago and apparently you've been tweeting me for a

133:30year like that's pretty crazy and it's not healthy man but sorry I just found you sorry it took me this long to tell to say someone's not like to go to your Twitter Demetri you ain't nobody likes you but what about you you know me I don't even know who you are you're not even a person you're an egg you're an egg shaped avatar on Twitter with a fake name and thinking about me yep why you thinking about me cuz I've actually gone out and done something absolutely you know and that's that's what these people don't understand when they're talking to you and they're they're attacking you and and and trying to get your attention like you what you're doing is you're showing the flaws in your plan of Life your plan of life is to on successful people and not become successful you've taken all this energy and turn it into hate and just hoping someone Falls hoping someone gets

134:21Ronda Rousey you know like yes I knew she was nothing I knew it all along I mean there's so many people that love that they love when someone Falls and what they really love is someone that no longer makes them feel like because of their accomplishments that's what they really love when they watch someone fail they don't necessarily love failure what they love is they've been alleviated of that feeling of inade inadequacy that's what they really love love and they get to attack yeah now I get the green light yeah it's like when someone loses when they get knocked out it's like a starters pistol for pow go you know they just go man they just run and start but they don't understand it's it's bad for you it's for them like you it's not good for you it's not healthy it's not smart you're wasting all that time hating on people and on people like I saw this guy the other day um who was on this

135:21and uh I went to his I went to his Twitter page and his Twitter page was completely dedicated like the name of the Twitter page is dedicated to on this fighter and all the tweets and like someone called him a Troll he's like I'm not a troll trolls hit and run I'm here for the long run you gonna get up like that guy Josh near did that's what's going to happen yeah yeah yeah yeah or Deontay Wilder did you ever see that uh Deontay Wilder beat the out of some guy some guy came to his gym and Deontay be the out have knocked him down hit him when he was down I mean this guy was like not even a big guy and he's in there sparring with I think he hadn't won the heavyweight title yet but mean he he's the heavyweight boxing champion one of the heavyweight boxing champions next to Tyson Fury I don't know what you know that's the other problem with boxing is it's so fractioned because there's so many

136:11different like you know like Bellator will say the Bellator World title well you know for a fact if Bellator puts on 125 pound title fight that is not for the world title right there's one world what do you got there oh go ahead go take a Le had he had a make us he's holding in so bad he's limping that's hilarious ladies and gentlemen Mighty Mouse Johnson he wrote on a piece of paper I need to piss we're going to auction that off on eBay if you like to get in on that um why he's peeing let me tell you about some shit's coming up uh next Wednesday There's a show at the Ice House Al madal uh Tony Hinchcliffe Greg Fitz Simmons and probably more these shows sell out pretty quick it's a 10 p.m. show and it's 15 bucks and it's next Wednesday at the Ice House in Pasadena then December 11th this a big show in Vegas at the C theater with Joey Diaz and me and Joey Diaz is on fire he's on

137:13fire last night I I've never seen anybody funnier last night we people were crying like tears he's got I don't say what the bits about but God damn he's got this bit I'll say it's about eggs it become but it's not it's about life um I got a bunch other coming up too I'm at the Beacon Theater on January 29th in New York City tickets the pre-sale went on sale today and then um Boston we just added a third show today I do two shows sold out at the Wilbur on Friday and Saturday night we add a late show on Friday night we'll probably add a a late show on Saturday night too cuz that's my hometown and he's back ladies and gentlemen perfect time back I'm feeling refreshed so um here's another question I got a bladder man I I don't I can't even pee right now I can hang in there you know because you go hunting that's why no it's because doing this podcast that's

138:05what it is just my bladder Grew From doing this podcast from six years of doing three-hour conversations that's amazing by the way I just uh just keep got two beers I had a coffee before I got here um here's a quick question uh your what are your thoughts on if do you think Ron rousi should do the rematch with right now no who do you think she should fight next well I don't think she should do the rematch right now because of her head I think she experienced some significant head trauma in that fight and I think anybody anybody that says any differently is an that's what I think I really do I I think traumatic brain injury is something that has gotten me more and more concerned over the last few years because of talking to doctors I've had um this one doctor Dr Mark Gordon who works with a lot of soldiers football players um uh he's worked with some Combat Sports

138:53athletes as well and where where he relays the issues with traumatic brain injury the damage to the pituitary gland the damage to your your body's ability to uh produce hormones depression and all the the issues that come along with concussions and how those are exacerbated By ignoring them or by trying to work through them or by getting injured again uh close to the concussion which makes it way way worse when I look at guys that have had to exit the sport like TJ Grant who's about to fight for the title oh yeah and had to get out of the sport like he he mean he works he's in a mind now he works for a mine in in Canada and I I just think that traumatic brain injury although I love this sport is uh is is is one of the most overlooked and more dangerous aspects now you don't hear guys like Dana talk about it and you rarely hear people talk about it outside of of

139:46someone like me because they're promoters and because they that's that's the bread and butter that's the I can't I can't do that because for me my my bread and butter is me being honest yeah that's my business my business is I got to say what I really think and what I really think is she needs a comprehensive overall like overhaul of her game of her MMA game yeah I think she needs to look at like how she's preparing and she needs to take into consideration all the problems that were exposed in that fight and she needs to re reassess and readdress and I also think she has too many distractions I think she has too much going on she's doing a Roadhouse movie She's she did the Entourage movie she's doing you know who knows what movie contracts and scripts and her phone's probably blowing up all day that's all fine when you're fighting B COA you know nothing nothing to take away from

140:43bch COA but bch COA she's like uh a mechanical or robotic sort of a puncher she kicks you know kind of robotic there's no no real threat of explosion there's no real submission threat you know I'm not saying that bch can't eventually put that in her game but as right now when I look at her like when she fought Shannon blaz Basler I'm looking at like a robotic fighter you know it's funny it's so robotic you're laughing I think I think she needs to really um look at the whole I mean like we said MMA is problem solving right well you the there was viously a bunch of new problems that were exposed in that fight and one of the big ones is the difference between hitting mths sparring with people that aren't really Strikers and fighting a 19 time World Boxing Champion yeah who's also an outstanding kickboxer who's also an outstanding athlete who's also incredibly mentally tough who also has a

141:40fantastic real professional MMA Camp filled with Champions potential Champions World Class contenders Mike winkl John is one of the best striking coaches in the world Greg Jackson who's a master strategist and they've gone over this with a fine tooth comb there's no yes man and there there is no you need yeah when you hear uh and that's the thing too I guess when you when you heard uh Hol said like there's tle times I gone in the gym and I would just just cry just cry that's going to that's not going to win me the world championship and then she'll come back and I'm not saying I don't know if Ron RI has ever felt that way if she's like I'm not going to BU that's going to beat Holly Hol you know what I mean but it's almost like when you bring up how many people she's been training with weo John in the different aspect of she has different types of fighter there John

142:28Dawson's there CIS conduit Jon Jones has been there so she's she's surrounded by other Fighters that's all these Fighters do you know with r she's being able to expand her brand and go into movies and do all that stuff to have that uh that income coming in to where I don't know if anybody else around her is still on that have that hunger like no this is what you got to do this is the this is the goal this what pays the bills yeah and that money is so great from those movies and there's so and she's got agents her agents were out there in Melbourne with her yeah man movie agents in a fight you know look man I go back to the days when Mike Tyson had that down jacket on and he was running at 5:00 in the morning and he was 19 years old and they asked him why do you run at 5:00 in the morning and he was like I want at 5:00 in the morning cuz I believe that my

143:18opponent is in bed and I believe it gives me an EG Ed he's not he's not getting movie scripts he's not you know he's not thinking about writing a book or dodging some you know uh Paparazzi he's he's an animal he's out there being Jack Dempsey he's being the best he can be he's out there with a singular Drive I think you have to be obsessed with fighting and it has to be your overwhelming consuming passion and I think as soon as you start giving up little pieces of real estate you know you start making little subdivisions in your brain well you know what I'll just put a little side for uh uh my uh my little TV show that I'm going to work on and I'm going to start my own production company I'm looking to the future look at the the future is a left high kick all right that's the future that's who you need to be preparing for all this Roadhouse cuz that movie is going to come

144:10and go and you're not going to notice whether or not look Ronda made some insane amount of money in the last couple years right some insane amount of money I mean depending on who it you ask is between she made between and10 million over the last couple years so let's just stop right there and look at that you if you make a million bucks for Roadhouse or two million bucks you're not going to know that you're not going to notice that money well no no that's what I'm saying like you don't know the difference between six and 8 million doesn't doesn't mean anything got gotcha like unless you're a crazy person that constantly needs to buy things when you have a certain amount of money everything becomes free yeah that's what it is it's like you want to go buy a laptop go buy a laptop you just give him the credit card you don't even think about it when you're broke you go

144:54how much is a laptop 2,000 bucks I still do that now right well you're smart you're smart you're Frugal but when you've got $10 million in the bank what you're supposed to do is realize okay well now I no money is not issue not issue anymore so why would I want to go out and try to search for these new Ventures instead of okay right now I'm fighting right now this is what I'm going to put my eggs and all my my focus on and there's no reason why I need to go out and do this movie but it might be Talent it might the reason the problem is you you you let the door open to the vampires the agents like and they come in they come in your is just a it's just a door then you let the door open to the vampires and they they slide into your house they go there's so much money on the table Ronda there's so much money to be made what about films Entourage if you spent a moment of your life preparing

145:54for that piece of movie that's a moment wasted right it's a fact you're doing the most noble courageous terrifying thing in all of sports you're becoming the most dominant recognizable female champion of all time to spend any time away from that doing some shitty movie some nonsense agent created catastrophe of of of culture that that's a waste it's a waste but there's a lot of money in that waste you might make a half a million bucks you might make a million who knows what you make the point is that all of that stuff came about because of her of her fighting and because of her success and because of her dominance and as soon as that success and dominance goes away then all that money erods away see you you open the door to the vampires the vampire suck your blood and then you left there dehydrated and amaz like what happened you open the door you open the door and

146:47you let them in and I don't necessarily think anybody other other than her mother who's a just a a badass herself I don't think there's a lot of people that are going to tell her that you know so what would you say the so here's a good example so does does Ron leave that door closed and be like you know what no I'm G focus on fighting and he'll be like well this door is never going to be opened again and let's say she the only way that door is really open now honestly is if she wins right now that door is not open anymore no I'm saying though like let's say let's say after the B Cera fight she never did she never did Entourage never did Fast infer 7 she just kept on fighting kept on fighting kept on fighting kept on fighting and let's say she's the greatest she beat Anderson sil's record she's defended her title 50 times and let's say she missed the opportunity to open that door that

147:33door but the money she's made on fighting just the money she's made on fighting insane well yeah cuz she get so yeah she she's she's in a different Stratosphere because there's never been a woman that's been dominant like that that's been a world class fighter that's appeared like in all these Metro PCS commercials like all that shit's fine it's when you start going off into movies who who else has been like her there's no one no one's been like her right so she's made all that money just from fighting yeah I think when you stretch out you get greedy you start going for all that other stuff like there's some cool like I love the idea of the Roadhouse movie but the Roadhouse movie doesn't work anymore The Roadhouse movie only works when she's the badass as soon as now now you want Holly Hol to be the howun that be there like H home shows walks in the door like oh yeah oh Ronda we need to

148:25talk to you for a moment the vampires are all pull her aside you know well we've looked at your Q rating you know there's like a q rating thing there's like this guy that I know who's an actor he's a nice guy but he's a idiot but he he uh he goes you ever look at your Q rating I go what are you talking about there's a website you can go to you find out well we're obsessed with it sometimes I'm more famous and sometimes I'm not like and I I close his laptop like what the are you doing get away from that get this is poison this is occupying your thoughts you have children okay you have you you have hobbies you have things you like to do do those things concentrate on being the best you can be concentrating on this random algorithm that decides how famous you are in any given moment that's Insanity man go take a yoga class you know you need to do some mushrooms go out in the forest and

149:10find yourself exactly you you need to take him that's you he's too hard there's too much he's got a lot of Jesus in his head too there's a lot going on with this one particular dude but but this idea that you you concentrate on what got you to the dance and what got Ron to the dance is the singular Focus that she had in Judo which made her this dominant Judo fighter right and then she enters into MMA and there was no Grappler they could with her man she's hip tossing she's throwing them on their heads I mean she was just so spectacular with her arm bars but she found someone that had the kind of potential and that had the kind of talent that she did in a singular discipline but it was a singular discipline that she didn't have that discipline was kickboxing you know and boxing striking which is not her strong suit I I see that's the thing like I always like I always like to try to be

150:03uh open with all the fighters you know I I asked TJ like you know how you feel about sparing all stuff I like to ask her like how much kickboxing do you do on a daily basis like just do you ever do any kickboxing I still take classes uh you know when there's classes going on AMC I take M Tha classes and for always feel that there's something I can still learn even how many fights Oru Jitsu I just put on so I wonder like how much kickboxing do you do leading up to the training camp but then again you bring up you know the open the door and the demons where it's like hey we're to get in get this workout in and then I got to go do this interview he I got to do this but at the same time but at the same time you know the UFC model they push that because they need to have her mainstream to be able to open up doors to sell the pay-per-view revenues to do all that stuff so it's almost do but

150:50they don't it's like how much of that do you really need how much of that is really beneficial like what is the difference between like what Ronda brings to the table and if all that stuff was so beneficial well how come you know how come other fighters who do the same amount of work don't get the same amount of of reaction to it well it's because the results inside the Octagon are what or what's most important yeah oh yeah all those interviews and they don't mean if you're boring you know if you if you if you can't make it happen if like you I watch your skills and I'm like oh my God this is like clunky and there's nothing nothing good here yeah you're not going to it's not going to be worth it yeah and the only way to take clunky and make it better is to singular Focus you have to be driven and it has to be only what you think of it has to be you have to be

151:41obsessed you have to be crazy I mean you know it oh yeah no no dude yeah can't wait till the lights go off so we can talk a little bit more behind scenes dude I'm sure I don't like the model I don't like the model of these athletes having to do all these interviews I don't like their training being interrupted I don't like the rest being interrupted I don't like any of these things I don't I think these things are counterintuitive I think the same result that you get out of that could be gotten with a narrator like they do on those Showtime things when they get what's his name Leif uh what the that guy's name the guy's in um yeah Leaf shriber right that guy's a bad he's a great narrator like or you know you get who's the other guy from Pulp Fiction Ving RS Ving RS is good at that too like you got a good narrator you show training footage and you have the occasional interview

152:31maybe you have one interview that way you get you you you it's almost like there's Point time to where I saw so much of Connor or Rhonda and I was like I was like I was like okay I'm going a little uh and I love Conor death I you got to get in there get your get go hang in there and all I was I was on the couch just laughing like oh I can watch this all day put your red panties on we yeah we made it yeah but then it came point in time to where like every single time I I would weat something and I would see him over and over and I was like I'm getting I'm have to change the Channel but then he went away for a while then he started doing something and I was like go on what were you saying what were you saying you got my attention but yeah I I totally agree with you like an elusive girlfriend yeah you know like where are you texting you all day I missed the out of you yeah that's

153:20that's what it's like if a girl's texting you all day like enough me alone I'm working out yeah but then you you never that's a thing you can never find the right recipe to do it because you've only had so many so many athletes be able to come into multiplatform stars and I think as me as a fighter I I want to get to that point to where I can make I wish I had I wish I can make 10 million if I if I had $10 million in the bank I tell you what right now it would just well my focus has always been mixed martial arts but yeah I don't M like DJ you ain't got to fight anymore dude we going to call we going to call the shop come on we just going to train you would call it a shot you think it would stop you sto competing no I love it yeah you still compete I'll tell you what I bet you wouldn't do any interviews my phone broke no no I still would TJ keeps breaking his

154:11phones no I still would I think you know in reality when I tell people when I jumped in this sport it was not it was not to make money it was not to there was no 125 there was no 135 or 45 or 55 I didn't even know about uh the UFC when I first did it I Saw The Ultimate Fighter but it was one it was Forest Griffin and um Rashad Evans and those guys working out so there was no little guy run I didn't even know about Sho didn't even know about Japan well for the longest time 155 was the lightest weight class for the longest time exct remember when we didn't even have a 155 yeah to 170 Sean Shar fighting GSP so there was no there was no where like there wasn't even a 55 that was recently yeah but now you have people like they get out of high school I'm going to be a professional fighter you know what that takes you know how much money you going to make you know you know homeboy

155:02McDonald's is making more money than you and you consider yourself a professional fighter and that's where like I didn't have that so that's like I think like my outside on like my insight on like am I going to win or lose I think that helps me to where now they built this model to where it's like you can be ultimate you can be uh a UFC fighter professional fighter and uh you can do all these great things which is absolutely amazing I'm not bagging on that model at all because it's given me the opportunity to sit here in front of you and have this conversation for me and my wife to be able to travel the world and see things but I think that people really need to look at it and dissect it before they jump all into it yeah and I think one of the more devastating things about this rebok situation is that Fighters can't make money outside of their paycheck I

155:48want to I want to uh elaborate on that here's my piece even though you didn't ask for it please do I think the rebok deal is good how dare you uh I'm be I'm G keep it real I'm me keep it real there's been times where I fight and I never got paid you know um there's been times where we were going negotiating about uh sponsors sponsors one time there was a point in time where Xbox told me like dude we have nothing for you we have you know there's nothing we can uh give give to you and I was like all right well uh Xbox Xbox this is after you already had a contract with them I never had a contract with those guys so they would just pay you fight to fight fight to fight yeah it was uh and that's the thing people think when we have the Xbox sponsorship you're directly working with Bill Gates you're not right so should be that' be dope where you at Bill like Bill Nick Diaz style where you at

156:41Bill that's you have to fights point to the Xbox logo yeah so there'll be point in times where um you know uh if there's something coming up that where they can advertise or anything but there was point in times where I I taken a fight and I got no sponsorship money whatsoever and I went there and I destroyed my opponent and people like how could you do that how could you do that but in the day I take a step back and look at it like this is fighting I I I've done this to become to show myself to be a uh the best fighter in the world and I would do it because I'm fishing I'm hoping that one day they're like dude we want to we want to set you up and get you taken care of and all that stuff and it just shows you that I'm not the type of fighter to go out there and and Snoop around and try like hey hey hey hey you you you want to respon to well that's where some managers come in

157:25play right well no AB absolutely they come into play but I think the Integrity that I had as as a human being and as an athlete that was like you know I've been rocking Xbox the whole entire time and why am I going to run off and go throw this person on my my shorts because they're going to throw me $60,000 and I have because it's $60,000 absolutely but I have to go out there and fago with that person well you shouldn't have to that's that's the and I see what you're saying I know that but the last thing I want to do is have my manager uh do that um because the only person who who who there's me and there's Matt and there's everybody else that's my manager my trainer my soul that's he does all that stuff well that's interesting because that's rare most guys have like a a manager man or a lot of guys a manager manager yeah yeah but Matt is a trainer as well as a

158:13manager as well as you know I mean he's like he's kind of like an all and couple you just have a very fortunate situation yeah well and I just I like it that way because I trust him he wants the best for Demetrius Johnson right and I want the best for Matt Hume and so the last thing I want doing is having Matt running around town trying to SK I totally understand that and now with rebok deal we don't we don't have to worry about that don't me wrong it is up for somebody have their first professional fight make $2,500 they can make more money from McDonald's sponsorship for uh chicken McNuggets that they have a dollar special going on well it's guys like Brandon sha that were making more than $100,000 fight I like to see the paycheck for that I saw I saw all his financials there we go I asked him because he was telling me this and I said I want please I can't say

158:59that I know that you did this unless you give me all your financials so he gave he sent me all his financials he made 140 for one of his fights and sponsors 140,000 how about vtor man vtor is losing Millions according to his wife who I no reason to doubt he's losing millions of dollars see that's why I think they should come out straight up and we're like dude you know when rebok deal first came out like like I said the the one thing I love about the rebok deal is that I don't have to run around and try to finagle with anybody I appreciate that if if I was making millions of millions of dollars as sponsorship I would come out and be like yeah you hate it he hey Dana White I I know you got you know the sports being all you know great and stuff but I'm making $2 million on sponsorships you don't believe me here's a paycheck I'll post this online to show the whole world

159:48that yes Reb's all good and stuff but I'm missing $2 million so you tell me what's right for the fighters and what's right for the sport in all honesty I don't think the UFC knew how much Fighters are making that's one of the reasons why Dana was saying that Brennan Shaw was a liar I don't think he knew and I show well he knows I mean I just don't I don't think they knew I think they made a mistake yeah in that regard and I think that you know their idea was that this is a gigantic sponsor that's going to up the the profile of the sport yeah absolutely I I I I honestly trueu heartedly believe that when the UFC went the deal or even Reebok wouldn't to deal with Reebok when UFC rebok shook hands I think it was for the better of the sport better for this for the fighters I don't think that anyone was like you know what he didn't do any of that if he did he'

160:38probably be way more paranoid well I don't know uh trust me but uh I I I feel that when they went into that they were hoping for the best yes for both sides for the fighters and the UFC and the sport itself no I don't think they would ever do something they thought would hurt the UFC or hurt the fighters I just think that uh it probably should have been investigated a little bit more F thoroughly and it probably should have been it it should have been handled a little bit more competently then you wouldn't have Anderson Aldo t-shirts you wouldn't have Anthony Pettis being called the merer on their website hey hey somebody just found out that I had shirts on there so some dude was like dude I can't find your shirts on there I was like uh I I don't know then I like I looked I was like oh here they are he goes I've been looking all day and I can't even find him

161:23sha would even sign the deal they keep coming to him to sign the deal he's like not interested I didn't sign a deal yeah well they won't send his uh stuff they won't sell his stuff unless he signs a deal and he just won't do it good for him I mean day's most likely going to retire anyway but he did retire didn't he sort of kind of that's that's why the end the day I'm I'm at the point in my career where I know that I have to and Dan M's Dan might's told me this from day one I remember the UFC fighter heed should do he's like you guys have to use the platform that we're providing you guys to be to marker yourself and I never realized what he was saying until now I'm in this point of my career like I have I you know I've defended my title seven times and I always refer to myself as a redheaded stepchild that I don't I don't get the same type of publicity as other

162:10Fighters do which I'm totally fine with it well what's interesting is like a guy like Connor is only 20 pounds heavier than you yeah it's not it's not a size difference I mean it's there's a big size different I've stood next to the man he's towering over me he can see the ball top of he probably see his reflection his shiny ball of head my friend isn't it weird though that's only 20 PBS yeah it's true it's only 20 PBS but it's it's you know it's it's the way life is as somebody told me people like to see bigger people fight okay but how come TJ Dill Shaw gets a ton of press he's only 10 pounds heavier than you I don't know there you go right you think you think it's cuz I'm black I don't know cuz you're black no could that be Jesus no I never thought about that until just now no no I don't know what it is man I think there's something about like fly weights is something

162:58about like the lightest weight that for whatever reason people don't appreciate someone who even when you knock guys out at that weight glass I don't know what the it is man I don't know what it is it's all good I sparred a guy the other day he's coming in he comes to he comes to train with us cuz he's uh he comes to train and he does uh like he's a huge Gambler Prof profal poker player and he spars and he he comes to spar he comes to get ready because ain't good for your brain no no no I don't have a brain but he uh he does um betting against other poker players and he has a gamma going on that he's going to fight somebody for I think it was if he wins he get $270,000 if the guy backs out he gets like 190,000 so he comes he comes to AMC to get ready for his fights and uh he's way bigger than me right and then we're sparring and like Matt's like you're

163:48going to spar to me Johnson and we're sparring and uh I hit him in his stom I was you know I was doing my thing and boom boom boom hit him in the liver and he goes oh and I was like oh yeah and then I started hit him in the face I was like and know I'm very nice I told all my Spar Partners before my fights I said I promise you I would never hurt you I might it might feel like in hell but I guarantee you'll be able to go to work on Monday because a lot of my training Partners when I get for my fights they have normal 9 to5 jobs right and so I hit I was hit him in the face I was like H isn't it amazing how the body just reacts when he gets hit in the liver you don't even care I'm hitting in the face right now do you and then he start breaking his face I go wham right and somebody goes okay I'm done I got to take a break M like give him a break real quick DJ but it's like if if a

164:31person is like oh you're too small too small I I was like dude we can Spire we can see how it's going to go like I'm not going to be dick or a-hole but I'm going to use my skill set that Matt has provided me with to dismantle you and show you you need to respect me as a as a smaller person I guess I mean I don't know how yeah no I know what you're saying I know I know exactly what you're saying I think it's a perception issue when you when Matt structures your training camp he does the whole thing he does strength and conditioning he does your kickboxing wrestling decides what you do on any given day yep there's days I come in and I'm like I'll be mentally prepared cuz you know I always love it how you say um I want to see his uh strength conditioner program if you saw you be like what the are you doing my friend why what what you do you you just have to come watch it

165:19like what do you do it's just just just random like it's just it's just crazy like it's always structured totally different like you know I'll come in physically like trust me it beats the hell at me where I'll come in Monday night like I'll do a Monday morning practice I call my wife like hey babe um going to go get some food I eat the same thing every single day I wake up have the same food you eat the same thing every day every day what do you eat so in the morning when it's training camp time I have what maybe three eggs uh and toast with cheese on it with Tabasco sauce then that's all I have for breakfast and I have a little glass of orange juice not a lot I don't like the don't like the orange juice sugar sugar yeah take off to the gym I do my hard intense um interval day and it might be depending on where you're at in training camp typically the ones I do

166:04I hate is the power explosion because I'm I'm throwing I don't like lifting weights like I like lifting weights but I don't like them weights when it comes to just strictly fighting I don't like lift them weights because the person I have to lift up is 125 pounds well supposedly so we do that and then I take a break I go to ter Madness I have terak with brown rice and cucumbers I eat that then I go across the street and get my PCC I have an apple PCC PCC is like a Whole Foods in Seattle I have an apple maybe a banana and some type of nuts and I fill up my gallon water again then I sit there and I play video games until 5:00 or 5:30 or 6 go across the go across walk next door do aaip pads and then we'll either do hard grappling or we break down video and drill and then next day I do the exact same thing Wednesday I do the exact same thing Thursday is off Friday

166:56I do the exact same thing Saturday I go up in Spar and that's it so when people are like when I look at fighting it's my full-time job some people are like I love Dana White's comment people you know Champions they can't take the pressure of being a champion being the Champion is if you ask me all I have to do is go out there fight and make weight literally that's all I have to do I don't let any distractions get in my way of my fighting like if somebody if someone's like you know Matt I told I was like Matt you know my goal is I I want to do movies I I want to be able to do something I want to good fight for so long like when I start making those 2 million or 3 million or 4 million if if I ever make that from fighting then I won't worry about doing movies I'm worried I'm trying to do movies now because I'm not making that because I only fight for so long

167:40right and so but if I made five or $6 million in the bank I wasn't even worried about anything else so that's why I put all my heart and soul into fighting because hopefully one day it opens those door dors of vampires and I'll fight time fight time fight time fight time you can make money the gay porn vampires they're going to come in but that's like so when I say I do the same thing every single day for eight weeks to 10 weeks I live breathe eat training that's all I do so you take Thursdays off every every week I take Thursdays and Sundays off really two days a week oh yeah good for and Wednesday is only a morning session and Saturday is only a morning session so I typically take Wednesday night off Thursday off Friday double Saturday morning did you come to this from trial and error uh trial and error with Matt because I told him I was like dude because uh in the beginning of

168:33it um I would train Monday Tuesday a double and then Wednesday night I would train so I would rest all day morning Wednesday and then Wednesday night we would train and then I felt like Thursday was almost like a recovery day and then on Friday I didn't feel as good cuz I I still beaten down and so I was like Matt let's try Monday Tuesday my bid's already the on by Wednesday and I was like let's just go hammer it through Wednesday then I get Wednesday night off to relax then I get Thursday off to relax then by Friday my mind mentally I'm like fresh refocused body's fresh refocused we Hammer Friday then Saturday morning be coming hard hard sparing MMA and then Saturday night I'm off Sunday I'm off Monday start again I'm like fresh and we don't get in why don't we start a week we don't get into like hard sparring we Spar I maybe Spar twice a week and maybe one maybe one

169:25week super hard but I don't wear head when I Spar because we we're not a big Believers of hitting people in the head hard that's so smart man it's so smart your the idea of taking those rest periods too because a lot of people don't want to do that they don't want to take those days off I I never wanted to do I never wanted to do it before but then when I fought one time when I was well rested like when I fought Dotson time like after the fight was done I was like Joe Rogan you son of a you look prettier than ever all right go interview what you want to talk about I felt rested like I felt I need to go another six seven rounds even though I had that CU you weren't overtrained wasn't overtrained I was very well rested and sometimes there's that mental capacity to where you know there's times I like okay Matt U Matt's like okay he'll be like you're done for the day

170:09I'm like no no no no I I want to hit the back I want to get some my Miguel cot rounds I want to hit the bat like a box and he goes no you're good there's no point because you have many more to come to where you're going to put those arms to you so you're done for the day go home and he would tell me to go home it's not like yeah yeah yeah yeah go ahead go ahead you need to do more rounds on the B that's so smart man and that's that's the the result speaks for itself right yeah absolutely and that's why like now like I'm I'm I'm itching I'm scratching I'm just I'm at the point now where I'm just like I'm just waiting for the UFC to like hey this is who you're fighting next this is the date so you don't know who your next opponent is do not know who do you think it'll be they say they say it's possibly Henry Cudo but I never get I never get you know married to that

170:53that opponent because at the end of the day it could be Henry seudo six weeks in the camp he can get injured and then they can give me somebody else isn't it crazy Jo cejudo's only had a few fights in the UFC and already I mean that's the business how many has he had three fights at flyweight I think four overall he fought he fought Dustin Cura that was at 13 because he missed weight no he F no no no he was supposed to fight Scott jerson or he's supposed to fight flyweight he missed weight wasn't the first time he missed weight and then juer formiga is his last fight right his last fight yeah and then he fight a good opponent who uh juer yeah he is that was good that was a good fight yeah he was a good fight um we'll talk later yeah we'll talk later um when he fought he fought D Kamar at 135 beat him and then he went down to 135 again then he fought uh I can't remember who he fought H he

171:40fought ah Chris C Alo beat him Chico Camus beat him jio figga beat him so he's on a four fight win streak um three fights did he fight Chico at 35 or 25 25 Chico was a good fight man Cho's crafty yeah he for him not being a wrestler he has the best uh takedown defense for wrestling but he's very slick but it's only that's a thing I some you I was like yes he has people like oh man do you think you think you get takeen down I was like probably because my fighting style is totally different from Chico Kus Chico C he likes to defend the takedowns and he's 100% successful defending because he's only defendant when I'm a defend the takedown I'm going to be looking to elbow you and and uh and knee you which is going to give up my hips so there's like like people are like one of the things I love about Matt he says you're going to make mistakes in a fight Demetrius or DJ he calls me DJ you're

172:32gonna make fight make mistakes in the fights but it's about how you recover from the mistakes what makes a huge difference so if I get taken down I'm like ah I got taken down I'm I'm screwed oh no I got to get you off my back that takedown was humongous in the scorecard and and a judges eyeses but if I get taken down I'm like okay I got taken down perfect you got me okay I'm pushing your head down okay I'm getting up SC your hips away okay that's what you're pushing me I'm back on my feet there's a need to deliver okay there's an elbow you're back in elow okay I'm coming forward I'm going switch to saaw here's a body kick oh I'm back to Orthodox here's this this that takedown means nothing nothing at all right and so that's my mind you don't give in that takeown I don't give yeah how the take we going to do ground and pound me you're not going to knock me

173:14out that way it it's just the way that I see I view fighting from the judges to where the judges are like well the judges who knows what the they're doing yeah like half the time I mean 50% of them are completely incompetent you know Chuck Liddell told me this once was a really interesting thing he said one of the most important things is if you get taken down the moment you feel your back touch the ground you have to explode yeah he goes guys rest they go the guy took me down and they just work from there he goes you can't do that the moment your back touches the ground you have to immediately be trying to Pummel get that under hook get back up to your feet he goes you can't wait you can't wait it's those Split Second moments the difference between taking a breath and then now the guys pinned down on you side control and half C the weight yeah wait said I remember the first time I

174:01fought Brad pick it well not the first time the only time I fought BR pick it and I was holding him like this holding him and Matt when we got back home from uh the fight and after my my broken in healed and he all the fight he goes we're watching the fight he goes garbage garbage garbage what are you doing there are you going to get up or you just holding to your chest garbage and so that that that's how I was raised like almost see like people are like do you the other day someone was like do you have a college education I'm like yes I do I have a college education in a university AMC School of Hard Knocks because that's how it was like Matt would like I would win my amateur fights and Matt would just and uh in the gym I'll come in he would just beat he would beat me up he would like dude we're going to spar and we Spar and he'll L beat me up and point I was like I think

174:49he's mad at me like did I do something wrong and then like when I when I got in WC in the UFC like I went against Koto then he come back to the gym and we'll fight and he beat the hell at me I'm like what the I'll come home like babe I think Matt's mad at me did I post anything I po that was wrong I look at my tweets I'm like everything's good I didn't cuss I'm good he just wants to keep you hungry he keeps me hung and humbled he goes I have to he goes you're on top of the world right now he goes I need to break you back that and let you know you don't know about fighting dude seriously that's hot west he goes you don't know and what does he say now like after the Dodson fight good job going get back to work good he said he's this good job and there's things we need work and I'm way worse than he is now he's like dude you need to be excited you need somebody your friends I'm like

175:33nah I should have finished him I I have the gas tank I have the cardio I have the skill set to finish him and I didn't get the job done and he goes yes I know I know because I'm like that like there's one when I was after I fight Al enough I was walking on I was like that fight was that was a shitty ass fight and I'm walking if like yeah to meet just come on come on have fun I'm was like fight was shitty I don't give a know it says that goes you need to celebrate your fans you need you need to be happy even when I thought just I was like I was like that took too long and and that's how it should be like I'm I'm I am my worst critic because I know what I am capable of and I know how hard I train and Matt knows how hard I train but so now it's kind of Vice Versa he's beat me down so much to a now like my wife's like you're such a Debbie Downer even though you just won like you don't even

176:23know how to celebrate I'm like sorry she don't sound like that in real life she don't sound like that but um but that's how it is and so that's why I'm always I'm just I'm just a humble guy so that's why I always want to trve for better like even after the do fight I I was happy don't get me wrong cuz I know how dangerous he it was and how much he was talking and how the U like I when I saw the preview the the higher UPS showed me the preview and then it showed dots and dropping me and I'm all falling back like this like I had no chance and I go okay guys I I love I love I love what you're trying to do here trying to sell the fight but why the you guys showing dots and Dro me three times he goes dude we need to make it make it show the public that you have a chance to lose and I was like yeah I'm not about that model guys I'm going to yeah I'm not a big fan of you guys trailer

177:09and I told straight up and they're like well well they don't know to tell you so after that fight I was very happy very confident where my skill set is in my in in my head and physically well the results speak for themselves man I mean that that displeasure in even your great performances like the this constant striving for Perfection that's what's made you the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world man keep it up no don't I'm try I'm I'm just waiting I told and the hardest thing you find is that as I get older I'm 29 and I don't try to take any supplements at all because you can never tell what what in them what's in them and what is what is code like chel said I don't have a list what's in what's B usada well we had uh Jeff novitzki in we went over the list oh of all the stuff that's that they sell at like GNC that turns out to be steroids half the was probably everything it's

178:02incredible and people were like oh man why I see people on Instagram oh this pre-workout got me yeah that pre-workout shit's got roids in it yeah I was like I don't even know what pre-workout is those hard dick pills they sell at gas stations a lot of those are steroids too it turns out a lot of steroids out there because they just sell them and then they get pulled off the shelves and they just come back with a new company name and sell some more yep and that's why I try not I I don't take no protein at all and so you get all your supplements from food from food I just eat food food food food that's it again the results speak for themselves man and then when it comes time to uh as I get older I'm trying to find ways to preserve my body longer to where I'm not in the gym I'm in the gym learning so I'm up to the gym like two days a week trying to learn and drill

178:48and do all the stuff because I've already put the time in of learning so much training with Matt excuse me in my amateur days and my Jiu-Jitsu days to where now I'm like when it comes to fight time I actually learn more when I'm giving for my fights because I'm in a gym eight weeks straight just training training you can go so much over your next opponent to where it's like like let's work on something new right um to whereas now I'm at the point where I'm trying to figure out how do I reserve my body to when it comes time for Camp it's like okay we we're going to start Camp what your weight at I'm already at 1 41 he goes That's pretty low and I'm like well that's I'm not at home getting fat I'm working out lifting working on my strength so that's that's the hardest part I'm fighting in my career to where it's like I have to wait on somebody else to be successful in

179:32this sport for me to be able to fight again wow is that crazy that's the sign of success well no it's not you're waiting you're waiting for people to catch up I no no no no no no no no so you're Twisted I don't see that that's my point of view that's your point my point of view is like I'm I'm like I'm like itching and you know my call might the call might come and I'm like uh I don't want to fight there or this or that but it's it's it's getting that point where I'm like like I'm always hungry I'm always this how I pay my bills this how I put diapers on the baby's butt but I'm just waiting like come on when is it going to be and I want to be able I want to if if it's on record I want to fight February 6 in Vegas Vegas Vegas it's on record ladies and gentlemen yeah they won't answer they won't they won't let me have that we're out of time brother we just did 3

180:15hours just flew by crazy there we go by I had to pee once only once amazing and you zero yeah I'm good man I'm having a coffee right now too my bladder's insane right now I've trained it it's like like your endurance yeah there you go listen thank you brother I really appreciate you coming in here let's do this again let's do we'll do it again we'll promote the next fight next time uh when you're about to fight yeah sounds good my pleasure thank you sir thank you Mighty Mouse Johnson ladies and gentlemen Mighty Mouse USA no Mighty Mouse MMA on uh Mouse UFC 125 on on Twitch but what is it on Twitter might UF 25 right yeah Mighty Mouse UFC isn't it Mighty Mouse MMA no no no no that's my Mighty Mouse MMA is uh my wife's email address oh but they don't know if it's yahoo they're send dick picks to all of them oh God no all right thank you brother appreciate it all right folks we'll be

181:09back tomorrow with B crer see you then over the time d