Remi Warren

00:00we're live Remy Warren what's up buddy hey how's it going uh before we get started let me just say this shirt that I'm wearing hunt to eat shirt is my friend Giannis Pell's shirt and uh you can get one uh you can get a 15% discount if you go to hunt toat.com and use the discount code Rogan there you go yeah I they gave me a discount code to use no they gave you a free one well no I know but I they gave me one to put on something and I did and they accidentally did it wrong and the shirts were $2 a piece so jump on now and you might get a deal yeah what was the discount they up they instead of like 20% off is like $20 off $22 shirt oops that had of hurt yeah that had to hurt I like oh so we were just talking about uh before we uh got the podcast started that you you do yoga when you're uh not on the road when you're not like that's my workout of choice yeah I feel like if I'm going

00:54to if I'm going to work out yeah it's good it's a good stretch keeps keeps me limber Plus you're surrounded by hot chicks that are sweating I'm like not a bad deal see I'm going to the wrong class oh my class is uh housewives are just trying to barely keep it together oh no not where I go yeah it's probably better where I go I don't except there's that one there's always that one dude with the lower back tattoo and he happens always like with his M right in front of me and I'm just thinking damn it isn't it weird like for a guy a lower back tattoo is a real no no yeah I wonder but maybe he got it before it was a no no is that possible when did that happen like came right when it came he was like in line and then he got it and then he walked out and they were like Dam it yeah there's certain spots it's weird right there's like certain spots where like like you can tattoo

01:47your arms but if you get up into your neck people go hm yeah rough childhood something Happ that guy as soon as you get to your face goes oh Jesus what the you doing yeah there's there's certain zones that are okay and then you know like hands you start doing your hands you're very hardcore yeah but the the lower back is okay if it's incorporated into everything else on your body it has to be like one of those Japanese Yakuza style bodysuit things yeah it has to and you have to work out everything else before you get to the lower back can't start with the lower back it's like a blank space yeah what it's weird though like what the Stamp like how did that happen like why did why was it is it just because of that's what you look at when you having sex doggy style like you look at that spot I mean what is I haven't I don't get may I think it was so you could you

02:36could see it like the low low rider pants and the crop top shirt oh right you know or the shirt like oh hey she's a hoe she makes mistakes she's impulsive yeah that's another thing dudes are not allowed to do you can have no shirt on but you can't have a half shirt no you know or half or or like you can have shorts or or long pant but capries capr those are up to Cal like the half that's so true that's so true you can't have those you can't have those that's a definite noo how's that's weird like the no the no shirts okay like if you're at the beach and you have no shirt but if you have like a jog bra type setup that's not happening baby you can't do it well you'd have to custom make it and then that's just awkward in itself right like why did you cut the bottom of your shirt off you can cut the sleeves off I look my belly to be free bro yeah I like it

03:31to be free yeah we have weird choices when it comes to that like I dude I still to this day take more for wearing a fanny pack I I first thing I noticed was that Fanny P I was like leather fanny pack that's next level that's pretty good strong I learned about it from Dice Clay Dice Clay was in here and he had this very strong fan oh what is this you're showing us here that's real is that it says kid Cy wore a crop top to Coachella this is he though but did he really I don't know did kid C wear that he was in the podcast he didn't seem gay well there he is look at that it's hot out there though what the ever take your shirt off son there's rules there's rules in this life well I guess maybe if you got nice abs yeah that's no good that back back one up there the one with the uh that we were just showing see that this one for folks listening this is completely ridiculous cuz it's a

04:25sweatshirt like a big puffy sweatshirt but it's been cut at the mid drift like right where the lower rib is that's where it's cut I just I don't think I'll ever get into that fashion train yeah yeah that's there's someone's saying something that I don't know what he's saying but I don't I don't want to hear it whatever that guy is saying it's weird it's weird rules you know uh when when I've uh Gone hunting people have given me for having two different kinds of clothes like you have like a cuyu shirt on and Sitka pants like okay I'm I'm the I've always my whole life been the opposite of that I I would just mix and match so so I'm not wearing like the I hated wear I call it like the pajamas like you look like you're wearing a onesie like I'll use the same company maybe but a couple different shades yeah you top and bottom well the hunting thing is a bit of a fashion

05:16thing you know it is like there's there's it's weird cuz it's like one of the few times where men will comment on each other's fashion you know like men men don't go hey man those are nice blue jeanss bro I like the cut who's making those like you're staring at my dick something's going on well it's like it's acceptable too for men to wear a $500 pair of pants when they're hunting pants yeah what is that right but it's it there's like there's a fashionista thing going on yeah you know the the and I think a lot of the camouflage isn't even for Animals eyesight it's for humans like totally for hum A lot of the stuff I mean there's they've done so many studies on camouflage you know and that's uh I actually did this thing for Apex we're looking into camouflage and it's just crazy it's one of those things like we have a lot to learn about camouflage can they see what can they

06:08see what can animals see they vary right like some animals have really shitty eyesight like pigs have shitty eyesight right yeah but so like the way camouflage works is there there's like matching where you're kind of just matching the environment maybe one shade of like sand colored bottom and there's like modeled where it's splotches rock type shape and then there's disruptive where it essentially breaks up the outline of whatever it is so it doesn't look like what it is and disruptive I think in my opinion is probably the most effective camouflage when you like start to really analyze it is that do disruptive like first light has this kind that's like dark stripe light stripe and it it doesn't blocks yeah and so sometimes you like it's like you look at it and doesn't really look like if it doesn't if camouflage doesn't look like anything then that's the best I would

06:58say really so so is the idea that it breaks up the shape of a human like the okay so that's what with the animals yeah exactly they see the shape of a human and then go oh that's death yeah but we did I did this thing uh was a friend of mine is a army sniper and so for this Apex episode did uh made a ghillie suit dude crazy like it was cool like a legit one not one of those like goofy look like the swamp you still look like the Swamp Thing but we're you would just like veg up and match your exact surroundings oh and I'm not kidding you we took a picture where he was like standing there and 3 4 feet away you just disappear do you have the picture H if you have it email to Jamie if you have it put on the screen I'll find and yeah I'll find see again they say that turkeys have like really really good eyesight right yeah like with I wore like a a mask a ghilly soup mask like a

07:53shitty one yeah you know when we went turkey hunting but it was you know just I just see out with a slit but it was cool it was cool to wear it I felt like I was really hiding yeah I'm invisible yeah but they can't see like you know like you have like those real tree camo prints that look just like leaves like deers can't see that right no I think you know I mean in my opinion it just turns to black once you get it to a certain distance so some of some camouflag is just really like based on how far away from your prey you might be cuz like that kind of stuff you know it's made for tree stand and it looks cool and you're up in the tree in there you could probably wear a blaze orange pumpkin suit and they wouldn't see you anyways right you're so high up yeah but uh yeah I mean and then you get out of distance and it just looks black or dark so it doesn't really I wouldn't think it

08:45would be effective for like what I do out west or in the mountains things like that yeah there's a bunch of weird things that I'm starting to notice because obviously I haven't been hunting for that long there's a bunch of weird fetishes The cloes Fetish is one of them there's a there's a boot fetish for sure oh yeah the questions I get asked all it's like always pull on up to this microphone so you sorry these things are super directional yep is that better yeah I was just leaning leaning Like A Cholo or something um yeah the things I get ask the most boots and camo patterns yeah that's that's it well people get into it you know they think about it before they're doing it and so it become something like they want to look the part it's like guys want to wear Nike sneakers and the right shorts when they go play pickup basketball it's kind of the same thing I always get uh rifle

09:33Hunters like come out on El they like will this camouflage match where we're hunting and my answer is you have a rifle like if if they see if they see the shirt underneath your jacket you're already screwed so we don't necessarily need to worry about it but I mean that being said I do wear camouflage meaning for people who don't understand what we're saying when you rifle hunt you're really far away whereas if you're bow hunting an elk you would be Pro you like to be within 5050 yards yeah exactly what's like the longest shot you've ever taken on an elk with a archery oh probably wouldn't be an elk it'd be a deer um about 80 yards but that's a long ways that's not typical like everything was perfect you know yeah that's a tricky thing right with archery learning when when you can pull something like that off yeah exactly because the thing is you know I think a

10:25lot of people to like a lot of hunters they've got like this debate what's ethical for distance and other things I think it just depends on the situation because there's I I've taken a few animals that what I would consider like the edge of ethical range but yet I've never lost one but the only animal that I've ever not recovered was like 30 yards you know so anything can go wrong at any distance it's just I think it's one of those things cuz I think when you take a further shot you know you're banking on you're you're paying maybe more attention to all the exact and not just getting like oh it's close it's going to happen is that one of the biggest issues that you have when cuz I know you take out like really new Hunter sometimes yeah like one of the bigger issues must be having them make a correct shot yeah that that is that's the hard part because I think if you're

11:19new Hunter you may not expect the reactions that you're going to have in the moment you can shoot at the range all you want you can do all this other stuff but you can't factor in that emotion of when you're about to take an animal's life and that's that's something you can't practice you know it's just that and so yeah so that part of like I if I'm with someone I try to keep them calm and just cuz if if you're if somebody that's with you is just like oh my God hurry up shoot yeah then you're going to be panicked and you're going to just not make a good shot whereas if the person's like okay you know take your time like just real palm and mellow do you know of anybody that's ever used beta blockers beta blockers yeah beta blockers are something that performers use I've never experimented with them but I recently got a prescription cuz I just want to see what

12:13the deal is I'm trying to figure out when would be a good time to try it I would I would think like archery elk would be like the perfect time to try it because your heart rate is just jacked your adrenaline is flying your nerves are crackling like uh I think archery elk hunting probably the most nervous I've ever been next to like martial arts competition like right up there at the edge of like martial arts competition is like it gets it gets this point where people go into shock like just it just you see it even in the UFC sometimes you see like guys just can't perform right they just can't they're overwhelmed by by the uh the moment the the the the nerves the adrenaline dump the whole thing they just and guys who were just heroes in the gym they get on those bright lights they can't do it and I think archery elk hunting is probably the closest you can get to martial arts

13:07competition that I've experienced and I was wondering like man I bet if you took a beta blocker that would probably alleviate a lot of that it could does it last for a long period of time though because you never know when that it's like when you take it in the morning and you're just kind of like it doesn't Mell you out okay apparently what it does is it blocks the Rea I should have like Mark Gordon explained to me Dr Gordon who's a buddy of mine has been on this podcast a bunch of times who uh told me about it but like I I watched this television show and it was on um nerves and on um reactions to stress and pressure and they had these uh concert um uh performers like um classical music performers and they would talked about how difficult it is to perform in front of live audiences and then they discovered beta blockers and then the guy was saying like it just changed my

13:59life he said now I take a beta blocker and I can perform easily the way I perform in the the studio when we're practicing in front of thousands of people it's no problem at all yeah I've noticed that that that excitement level just clouds your thinking too and that's what in hunting you don't anticipate cuz all of a sudden you're now doing things with cloudy judgment and I guarantee like animals can feel that that tension I don't know what it is or what they're feeling but if you are just out there observing in an animal or don't really care don't get that excite it's almost like some people will go oh how did like right before I was going to shoot it ran off you know it's because that just like as that excitement level grows and you freak out I feel like they sense that energy they've got a different way of of feeling their environment I mean fish especially do that they can feel like

14:48when I was spear fishing and you dive down you would consciously try to lower your heart rate and the fish would swim toward you but as you're freaked out the fish will not come near you or even swim away so you go down there and you just have to like essentially Zen out and then the fish swim up to you and then Jack them yep you like sushi I I wonder I mean we we just assume that animals have all the same sets of skills or the same sets of senses that we do but fish have a bunch of weird things like that lateral line across their body which detects movement and they can get other things from that right what what else well it's essentially detecting vibrations in the water um yeah so it's anything from heart rates to fish swimming other animals moving in the water they can detect heart rates with that lateral line wow that the line what that means for people don't understand

15:42what I'm saying is there's a if you go from a fish's gills and draw a straight line back to their tail there's actually a line there and that line is just all like nerve endings right sensitive nerve endings that pick up things that we can't detect in the water and also the sense of a smell like could you imagine what a elk sense of smell must be like oh yeah they probably can smell things that we don't even think smell like fear like they probably can smell that you probably start sweating a little bit more oh yeah yeah a lot of predators when they go into that final stock mode their heart rates slow down really yeah oh that makes sense cuz like when you see a cat when a cat's about the bus to move they start moving real slow and then they the Mad Mad Dash yeah it's like they're lulling their prey into a false sense of contentment and security they're cool to watch we

16:39did a we did a Apex episode and we were like we's explain what that means you have a show called apex predator it's great show and it's on Sportsman's Channel Outdoor Channel well the same they're the same they're owned by the same people which is a a a pain in the ass now because that is removed from Viacom have they worked that out yet I don't know yeah there was a um there was a website that you could go to what was it keep my outdoor TV or something like that Jamie I think I for the Verizon M yeah Verizon um I guess uh what is it fiber optic FiOS fos they they pulled all of the hunting channels and then like yeah that's what it is so what is the um keep keep my outdoor tv.com you can uh go there and it'll show you look it's telling you to drop Verizon and switch providers today oh this is that so how does how do you even is that like a satellite thing

17:39or what's it Verizon is a fiber optic line and it's I believe it's done like the internet you you get a it's Verizon FiOS because they have uh Verizon fiber optic uh internet service and for whatever reason I don't I don't know what it was whether it's some sort of a a deal that they couldn't make or whether they're actually trying to force out that's what people are worried about that they're forcing out hunting and fishing shows and they're just removing them because they they don't like it or they think it's distasteful or maybe someone at the very top is a uh animal rights person I don't know I don't know I really don't know yeah I'm not sure either but that would suck if you really enjoyed watching those shows which I do and you uh all of a sudden Verizon says oh well this isn't on but hey you can watch some fake reality show on you know people that fake live in the

18:36woods on the Discovery Channel cuz that's what they're recommending like when people are go yeah when people are going to that they're actually recommending these rigged shows which you know some of them are fun like Life Below Zero that's but that's those are real events like you watch that show they don't have to fake anything those people are really living 200 miles above the Arctic Circle I think so so instead if they they're like you really liked uh me eater but instead you can watch Alaska Yukon be Country Gold survival pawn shop you just said that but that's going to be a show now someone's listening going give me a pen quick write that down Jeb has to go into the Yukon and find some gold while he shoots a moose for survival to sell in his dad's pawn shop and at the end of the show it's a cooking contest they have a barbecue off and Kanye West is making guest

19:36be dude I watched one of those barbecue shows I was hooked instantly I was like how the am I going to get hooked by a barbecue show just a bunch of guys barbecuing I'm like this is going to be boring they're not going to get me meanwhile they got me I was there for the whole episode the next it was one of those backto back deals where they showed like two or three episodes in a row I watched three of those things three shows where guys were trying to make the perfect brisket but there's no secrets given out I'm sure you're like I I you you're no better of a barbecuer no no well you know the best way to do it is pellet grills that's what one thing I realized really yeah a lot of those big- Time Barbecue uh competitions they use pellet grills now because pellet grills if you don't know what I'm talking about pellet grills use uh real hardwood but say if

20:21you buy a table like this they have to saw it when they saw it they take the saw dust you ever used one you Ed no I've got like a pellet stove but is it the same thing no it's like a fireplace but it uses like compacted pellets yeah real similar they use these uh it looks like um like a little cylinder little tiny cylinders that are compressed saw sawdust and the natural sugars in the wood is the only thing that keeps it together like if you take it with your fingers you can break it up okay and it there's a hopper like a big um like a big metal box and underneath the hopper is a worm drive and it spins and it feeds it to an element and the element there's like a cup and then there's an element and the the the pellets drop into the cup and the element is below the cup so the element Heats it and starts a fire and it keeps it at a steady temperature like plus or

21:12minus one or two degrees it's really good and like a bucket a like the hopper which is filled like say like looks like like maybe a five or 10 10 gallon bucket will last for days it's amazingly efficient I have a Yoda but uh they they have a Green Mountain Grill is one I had too which is really good and they're fairly inexpensive and you can Barbecue on those things slow cook and there's that's what it looks like see that Hopper oh yeah yeah it's just like a like a pet stove or whatever but so you see how it works there with the Worm Drive Worm Drive feeds it into the fire and then it slowly Cooks that's cool oh dude it's amazing it's like cooking on wood but you don't have to deal with wood exactly it's all wood it's there's no chemicals whatsoever and you get that Smoky taste to the meat too it's really nice I I grill on I have a Yoda that I really like because it has uh an option

22:05for direct heat where you crank it up and the Fire gets really high and then you put those grill grates down like I remove this uh this like heat diffusion plate it's like uh you know for like slow cooking you take that out and then the fire goes right under the grill grates it's amazing for steaks for for anything that's awesome yeah it's great yeah cuz I I love cooking over wood and I've got except I've got like three cords of wood stacked out in front of the cabin oh do you yeah do you I'm wood Rich do you do like like uh like smoking with like a real smoker like where you have to feed the logs and make sure the temperature stays steady no the smoker I do the you know glass door easy thermometer on it set it forget it George Foreman style George Foreman style do they have a George Foreman smoker I don't know they should they will now yeah I had one that I used that

22:55was like um what is that one company that makes a lot of like smoking and hunting style stuff and they make uh vacuum sealers yes West yeah I had a Weston smoker we had to add wood chips to it it was kind of it was fairly like self that's the kind I use yeah you throw them in the bottom turn it on that was okay but once I started around with that Green Mountain Grill I gave up on that completely I'm like oh this is so much easier and it's just as good like like it wasn't like there was any uh benefit to doing it the other way but I think there is something about a real wood smoker like when I watch those barbecue competitions there's something about figuring out how much to open up that little door to make the air go in just enough to keep that temperature steady and they're checking out there's something that like men do with fire there's like some weird thing like like

23:54if you're out like if you're at a fire like a a campfire and you're hanging around with a bunch of people like a guy who can make a fire good like you're like a you nailed it look at that that's a good fire and you're all sitting around it's like there's something about men and fire that just goes right to your DNA oh yeah I always say like cuz I do a lot of hunting alone and you might be in like a random I I was in Africa one time just by myself and it was you hear these noises you've never heard before and as soon as you get that fire going it's just a comforting it's a comforting feeling I think it's just like it's a primal thing that you know if you have a fire you're going to survive through the night whether it's cold or whatever that fire is is just our safety system most likely and you see it and you're like H I feel more comfortable now yeah it's good

24:41Rella uh when he was here he was here a couple weeks ago and uh as he was here he got a text from his friend that they had just taken this kid out like I think he's 18 years old on his first hunt ever while he's in a tent he gets attacked by a 500 pound predatory black bear he wakes up to this bear biting his head his friend he's screaming his friend rushes in shoots the bear but it goes through the bear and shatters his elbow so he gets shot in the elbow the Bear runs out of that tent into another tent where this other guy shoots it three times with a shotgun and then kills it wow where was this at Alaska first ever black bear yeah first ever hunt his kids on and he wakes up his head getting eaten by a 500 lb black bear that's a bad day that's a big black bear too that is you know you go you go to you know like a man I hope I don't get bit by a spider

25:37tonight in your tent going no it's a bear this camping stuff's pretty cool we're out here nature getting one biting your head owie that's got to suck I guess his head was like near the door I mean that's the only thing I could think of his head was like near the door and left the they get a little air in here yeah left the vegetable open or whatever you know what dope I never used one but I think I would love it is um you ever seen those uh campers that they have on top of your roof like a tent that op do you have one of those no I I've got my truck set up with the camper shell and then I've got a shelf in there and I've got it all set up for travel and you use a Toyota Land Cruiser is that what you use no um in in New Zealand I use a Toyota but uh here I've got a like a Ford F-150 and you completely set it up just for for hunting and can you sleep in it yeah I

26:32sleep I can sleep in the back so when I'm on the road I've got like a I've got the side open up it's like a camper shell on it and then the side lifts up and I got a shelf in there oops uh getting aggressive Bears got a got a shelf in there so I can kind of sleep underneath and keep stuff up top oh and then and then I've got roof rack and old you yeah because when I first found out about you was was from that show solo Hunter and you went on these cool Adventures I was like wow that must be fun to do so because you're doing these these crazy hunts where you're backpacking out deep deep deep into the woods by yourself and there's this real element of danger to doing that cuz if you fall snap a an ankle or something like that like man there's no one to call there you got to you got to get out of there on your own No One's Gonna find you right like I remember that there was one episode

27:26where you slept inside this ancient Indian structure this ancient n Native American structure that you found in Nevada and I was like that has got to be one of the coolest things you could ever do oh yeah it pretty cool you know you find I find all kinds of cool places there's a place in New Zealand that I like to go now that I found it's just a rock you can crawl under and sleep and then you don't have to bring a tent you just got your sleeping bag that's your spot you go my spot yeah I like to go light so I try to minimize the amount of things that I have to bring um because I'm well for filming it I'm carrying so much much yeah two cameras and tripods and batteries and by the time I add the essential stuff I'm like way overweight now when you do that when you do this in this show uh this is a different show it's called solo Hunter when you do that you film everything you

28:14film all you film the setup you film The the actual shot you film yourself drawing back you film all this different stuff who puts it all together do you send it to Tim and Tim Tim Bernett it he puts it together yeah you calm up and like dude your editing sucks you missed my my favorite closeup uh yeah actually I do picture me looking Whimsical out of the mountain glass I spent an hour getting that shot when I walked four ridges over it was four miles away I used my entire battery you didn't use it do you give him notes like like what I try to yeah we we just kind of fly by the seat of our pants on that one sometimes I mean it's uh yeah I just kind of give him the footage he sits down and watches everything which some of it is is just ridiculous I think if he put together a montage of just the ridiculous that I've said done filmed and he's like why' you do that

29:04this one of my all-time favorite shows and I one of the reason why is when you're solo out there you you there's a sense that you you get like that I'm I feel like I'm with you yeah you know what I mean like if you go hunting like if say if I'm on Meer or something like that maybe it's cuz I know but it's like you're really aware that Steve has a crew there's a production crew there's Pas there's guys that are carrying stuff there's interns there's you know like when we would go hunt there would be like two guys with cameras that would be following us around yeah that's the thing like when I'm by myself I I I run the other thing I do is I I try to do everything like what I call like live spine live stream so if it's more important for me to get the footage of what's going on than actually have things work out I guess like be successful and so I mean I've got two

29:58cameras and I try to set things up and it's really tough but it's so much it's like you're right there because there's no filter you see everything that's going on like you might see a camera and a shot and you might see this other stuff but it's all like that's what it's like to be out there by yourself I guess yeah well it's there's this weird feeling of connection to Nature that you get on your show that I I don't think you get that in that depth on other shows because I know you're by yourself like feel like this sort of element of solitude and kind of danger when you're when you're you're talking to the camera you're just talking to yourself yeah you know there's nobody there no one there try figure out how to sneak up on some big beded mu deer and you're trying to put it all together and at the same time you're filming it which has got to make it like twice as hard right oh yeah

30:46that's now it's like I think it's kind of one of those things you hear Hunters that maybe rifle hunting and they get into bow hunting because of the challenge or whatever and then once I started filming things I thought this is the challenge like that's it's so unbelievably hard but it's for me it's exciting and fun it's a new element to add to the hunt now it's almost hard not to like if I go out by myself even if I know I'm not going to use it for solo hunters or whatever I still film it myself I don't know why so you always film I do wow you're like a porn star who takes to work home with them exactly I mean I I there was one hunt that I did recently I'm trying to get away from it just be just hunt more like I used to but um I don't know there's that element of feel like you almost cheated it like because you didn't capture it or yeah you just it it became

31:38too not too easy but it's like I could have you would go back and think I could have filmed that you know what I saw recently fuse has a stabilizer that you put on your bow that is a camera yeah have you ever used one of those no um some of the places I hunt it's illegal to have electronic devices attached to the bow even and and for like um I don't I just refrain from putting electronic equipment on my bow even I I won't even put the GoPro like when I'm I might get a shot or two with the GoPro on a bow depending on where I'm at but uh so it would be illegal to have a GoPro on the bow but you could probably have it on your head like strap area some places because it's not an it's not like an electronic a like a sight light they I think a lot of states have Rewritten the definition because people wanted to put cameras and things on their equipment but yeah I don't know so

32:31the the idea was that archery is supposed to be more difficult and any sort of electronic Gadget that you would add that would make it easier would be an unfair advantage and it wouldn't make archery season a little easier an archery season is supposed to be tougher is that the idea behind it I think so yeah what they would need to do is stop this crossbow like you can't using a crossbow during archery season there those are two totally different things well that's yeah that's a recent more recent development um that might as well be a rifle yeah I mean it's a short range rifle yeah it's a short range rifle I mean you have a scope you could rest it on something I mean you could rest it on a a tripod like a rifle like that's to be honest though I think most compound bows are a lot more accurate and better than crossbows really the ones I've shot yeah that's interesting

33:18well maybe it's cuz you're a really good shot too no I mean I've I've taken guys out that I've never hunted with a crossbow but not that I have anything against them but I feel like they just weren't as effective as as a regular bow H do you not watch The Walking Dead oh well in that Casa when you're hunting zombies and Elk are completely different for sure crossbow you know what drives me nuts about watching that on that show I'm like how is he not getting passrs he's shooting these mushy zombie heads and he could pull the arrow out every time like that should be blowing right through that mushy zombie head my question is how does he load the have you ever tried pulling a crossbow back like 300 lb pole and your fingers would get caught so you need a special device to draw the cross I bet that device is I think that would slow you down in killing zombies I think you're right it

34:06would be very well I he never reloads on the show it's just always loaded it's an automatic crossbow in which case Superior weapon of choice I've SE one of them that I saw recently had a uh it had like these handles built into it where you pull the handles out they're on like drawrings and then you hook the handles to the Core the string that you and then you pull it back with that and then lat latch it in place but I was like why would I do this this is not as good as a bow I was like not only that I could put another arrow on a bow like um when I shot my elk I shot it I hit it once and then it didn't know what happened it blew right through it it didn't even know we were there it was like what the is going on and within 5 seconds I had another arrow on it yeah if it was a crossbow I would have been like hold up I got to get this you got to get your crank

34:54out yeah those are cool like those old old ones that they used to have where you see like when they first invented them and there was like a stick that was like a lever that was holding it back and it worked on this sort of a locking mechanism and Tunk and they would shoot these bolts like in Game of Thrones style like those type of cross bows but even them that's slower it's way slower than a regular I don't see them as a if you've ever tried to carry it's not made for car walking around it's the most awkward thing to carry on the planet think of a gun that's got like a bow going the opposite direction you know it makes a giant it's ridiculous yeah it's a big T there's no effective way to carry it I think it's just I don't I don't know what the deal is with him how well how long before someone makes a crossbow that uh isn't Al to Jesus where it's a big cross an

35:45actual cross crossbow and a bow yeah so you could like you could after you kill an animal you can put it in the ground and go through the motions and there was there was one CR they've got crossbows can get the most interesting names too because there was one crossbow it was called the penetrator and then I can't there was down buddy uh me and my brother a friend of ours is a photographer and he needed some models so me and my brother went out and so my brother was like the face of the Z we're like oh man hopefully it's the penetrator B you know he needed models for his crossbow cuz no one wanted to be the face of the penetrator the penetrator what a stupid name yeah they have have new well every time bows come out every year like Hoy just came out with their new uh 2016 line of bows and they have to come up with new names you know yeah but after a while you run out of verbs you

36:40run out of adjectives you want you run out of letters to combine together like you know what's a nitrum yeah I don't know what a nitrum is ho nitrum what is that I it's got to be something awesome yeah they're going why don't they just call it the 2016 you know that's not a bad yeah just like a truck you same same model just different year yeah F-150 2016 F-150 there's no confusion there it's not the 2016 penetrator no I went uh the Dominator compound bows making compound bows is you think it's just like a bow it's like a simple I don't know like a simple device yet the amount of engineering that goes into these bows is crazy I went to this this deal a PR G5 is like a archery company and they they also make these Prime bows and I was I was talking one of the uh Engineers was kind of going over like what it takes to build a bow and apparently you really can't build

37:39two bows that are identical that shoot identical really yeah because the tolerances would have to be so minute and so kind of everybody's goal I think is to just build two bows that are exact but they all the way cuz things are constantly moving the the limbs are flexing and the risers are mov moving and everything is just so it's there's such a science behind a simple tool like a a bow but when you start putting wheels and cams and all kinds of things on it just the amount of engineering that goes into it's insane yeah well the people say that it'll change based on what kind of strings you use like if you switch to Winner's Choice strings it's like a real high tolerance string and you know some people prefer the strings that it comes with and guys will switch back and forth and adjust their draw length by a quart of an inch at a time and monkey around you can geek out on

38:30that stuff if you really want to I always just kind of uh get it how I like and leave it alone yeah do you get a new bow every year I do yeah that's the does that's the problem that's the worst well it's so different than rifles it is by the time you get used to it it's something new yeah if you have a 10-year-old rifle that thing's perfect I've got you can name it yeah it's Betsy it's old Betsy Hannah Hannah's my rifle you the nitrum is out the new one's in you know like cuz new bows come out every year and they'll just have like just a little bit more power just a little bit more speed just a little bit more this a little bit more it's I I can't imagine needing it in some ways you know cuz like like think of a guy like cam hannes who kills like everything with a bow I mean he killed this year he killed I think three elk a moose two deer two G Bears two grizzly bears two

39:28two black bears all with a bow wow all with the same bow I mean that bow obviously works yeah like you don't need a new bow dude but the new ones come out bam you got to get a new one you know he's sponsored by hoit so they send him the new one right away and he's got to get it tuned in and got to put the new site on oh this new one is the thing this new one is what what's wrong with the old one he killed everything with that old one but it's these extra few feet per second that you can get with the new one yeah the extra like the extra forgiveness of the accuracy of the bow like where it's uh people who have never shot like a compound bow have no idea like how fun it is like just shooting targets is so like it's relaxing it's a fun it's it's a fun thing to do because you can't be thinking about anything else yes exactly I've noticed like if if I'm out there

40:16and I'm thinking about a lot of things when you think about things your eyes D you know if they always say when somebody's lying their eyes move up and to the right or whatever but when you're thinking it's the same thing if you're thinking about your days work and whatever your eyes shift and then you aren't looking through the site right and you yeah you miss yeah yeah the the all the things when you're when you're shooting a bow it's um it really is like a form of meditation in a lot of ways where like for people that are listening to this if you have no desire ever to hunt you might be a vegetarian and no desire to eat meat just try archery for fun you know it is is a really fun rewarding discipline because it does something something it's like a a form of meditation when you locked onto that site or locked onto that um target rather and everything has to be

41:06perfectly aligned and then you release that arrow and then it Soares and thunk right into the Bulls like ah it's the most rewarding feeling it's weird it's Boga yeah it's like uh yeah it's a you got to you got to be focused and it's practice and it's a cool it's a cool sport I think there's something in our DNA with archery too I really think there's something because for thousands of years that was the best weapon that people had for hunting and I think those people survived and they survived by hunting with the bow so I think every human being that's alive has an the echo of that DNA in their system the echo of the memories of the people that survived by arrowing a deer and then the whole family got to eat you know whereas if you didn't you didn't eat I mean and when they were when bows were the only thing things that you had the feeling that they must have had when

41:59they were trying to survive thousands of years before anybody even bothered writing things down and they release that arrow and it right into the heart of an animal and you knew you were eating now you're probably starving when you shot it you know mean I think that's in our system I think even if you don't want to hunt you have no desire to to kill an animal there it's it's way better than shooting a like if you shoot a three-pointer I mean it's kind of cool but it's nothing like an Arrow going into a Target that's accentuated like multi times or M multifold for for whatever reason I when I first started shooting a bow I was just a kid and I didn't know anybody that had bows but I'd watch this guy his name was Byron Ferguson and his whole thing was just be the arrow instinctive shooting was just a long bow and but I mean there it was the best it was the

42:50only advice that I had to shoot a bow was be the arrow like what's that mean as a child be the but I would go out in the backyard and he was a trick shooter he'd throw a ring up and shoot through the ring and shoot like aspirin off his wife's head I don't know not off her head but like like throw up aspirin and shoot shoot an aspirin he would actually hit as in the air with an arrow that's I think the guy has to be one of the best shots in the world wow and it was with a recurve or a long bow wow but his his his philosophy is just be the arrow just shoot how how it feels don't it kind of makes sense if you get to a certain point I guess probably a tennis player must get to that point too where you have the same racket for so long and you know the weight of a ball and you know you just you kind of know where the ball's going because you hit it so many times if you just you've done that

43:41motion so many times that like if you watch like Roger feder or some of the great tennis players they must have like a feel for where that Ball's going that's that far surpasses what a guy like me who never plays tennis could ever be able to understand yeah cuz I think there's a certain point where your brain doesn't work fast enough for the situation so that's where our instincts kick in whenever we get to a situation that our brain can't compute you can't compute the speed that that aspirin's going in the air and the speed of your arrow and the pole of your bow you just have to feel what's right and let it yeah that data has to already be inside you right well that's the thing about instinctive shooting with a bow that doesn't have a sight like a long bow or a recurve they just kind of know where the arrows going they don't they're not range finding right they use that that's

44:30got to be weird too cuz you got to use the same weight arrows over and over and over again if you're really using traditional equipment you're using wooden arrows so you're very inconsistent very inconsistent you know they could vary by several grams each arrow and that that's a big difference in far how far it's going to fly how it's going to fly can't really reuse arrows too much or the the blades get dull the feathers get up up yeah it's um you seen that guy on uh YouTube that does all that crazy archery trick shot stuff and he carries the the uh arrows in his fingers no you never seen him uhuh the dude can shoot like three times in the air before he hits the ground like he'll jump off something and go he can shoot like he he holds the arrows in his fingers and some people tried to discredit him I've watched the discrediting him and I think they're bitter I think they're jealous

45:26what what he's doing is amazing I mean unless he's using CGI and faking all of it what he's doing is amazing and I think these bitter need to just get their own attention some other way but they're they're what he's done is he's found a way to mimic what he believes is the ancient way of holding arrows he believes they held them in their fingers and then they would just be able to reload like really quickly they developed like very good finger dexterity whereas we always think of it as like a quiver and you reach back pulling out of the quiver and he's like that takes too much time and he thinks that this is the guy like check this out like watch this like watch how he's holding it like that is a that's one where he's just got it he's throwing a a tab of a beer H and hitting it but he's he does a lot of jumping first of all this guy looks like he's never even HT a

46:32that was his favorite clip he's like I shot the head off a plastic Bear yeah well he's um he he throws his bow in the air and he can do it really quickly these are not as impressive as the ones where he holds multiple arrows in his hands but it is pretty cool it's pretty cool he can do it he he can do it in the right hand or the left hand um but it B the right hand and the left hand like this is you can't disprove this I mean this is this guy is actually a very ACC here's one where he's got multiple arrows see he's got two arrows in his hand watch this one two oh cut oh that's a different one that was one he sliced a uh an arrow in half with a knife like he grabs the arrow and shoots it before he hits the ground don't try this at home he's catching arrows oh he's got a weak ass bow a little child's bow but he does he does all this crazy trick shot see there there you see

47:33him holding multiple arrows in between his fingers cool his name is Lars something or another it's pretty accurate too it looks like yeah very accurate see look at that see how he's holding them he's having drinks with people and shooting them in the face he's imagining himself in the old west see this is this is there arrows in a quiver and now look he holds him in his hand but now this is his style in the draw hand lots of jumping involved see how they used to do that like these are some ancient hieroglyphs they showed some ancient photos they showed them holding the arrows in their hands as they shot and so he's trying to uh recapture this old way of doing archery that's cool yeah archery is fascinating man it's uh it's just a fascinating thing that someone figured out a long time ago that you could attach a string to a stick and if you pull that stick

48:26back it's got energy that goes wants it to go back the way it came and if you put another stick on that string you can kill some yeah that's a it's been around for a long time and it's effective still yeah well guys like cam Haynes he uh you know he only hunts with a B with a bow and he's like rifle hunting just not fun like I I don't enjoy it he was like I have to get I I can be really far away barely see the thing lay it on a rock look through the scope squeeze a trigger and the animal's dead yeah he's like it's just the the amount of thrill and the amount of skill involved is just so much less that for him it's just it's not worth doing yeah I I enjoy bow hunting a lot I also enjoy rifle hunting though uh I I kind of didn't rifle hunt for a long time and then once I started filming my own hunts I was like I might just pick up this rifle and make it it's just as hard as I

49:21mean it depends where you're hunting too cuz when I go on a rifle hunt a lot of times I'm going into a place that is so hard to hunt even sometimes just getting there is a challenge and then finding one animal is a challenge right and then getting to where you could shoot that animal and then taking it with a rifle and I've been on a lot of bow hunts they're a thousand times easier than many of the rifle hunts I've done so there's kind of a a thought where a lot of times I'll go on a hunt and take a rifle not because it makes it easier or it might it it wouldn't be impossible with a bow but it's it's just it's so challenging in the first place that the challenge is there well you're doing in a completely different way than anybody else because as you said you're you're filming pretty much I mean there there's other hunts where I've gone on and I I haven't you know I might not be filming

50:15but you go into an area with such low densities that you might have to walk 100 miles before you even see an animal well that was one of the episodes you did recently was it a deer hunt that you you uh you went on purpose to a low density area yeah just because I I was I was thinking uh no one else is going here so that's why you went just because you knew you were going to be alone yeah and it was going to be hard and I thought well I'll just stick it out see what happens there's one episode of Rella show where he went elk hunting and everywhere they looked there was Hunters there was like orange vests coming up this hill going down that hill going towards eelk and like wow that's a that's a drag for two reasons one because it's kind of like this it becomes a competitive race to to try to get to the elk first but also too you don't know these guys you don't know

51:00what what they're doing they don't uh you don't know like how how squeezy they are how trigger happy they are you know like some guy got shot this year uh elk hunting with a bow in the leg where some guy Mok him for an elk that's bad that's terrible if you mistake someone with a bow yeah like what the man something didn't that guyy just shooting at everything yeah that's that that's not normal no no but with a rifle like a lot of weird can happen with people shooting shots they shouldn't make they don't know what's behind the animal they didn't you know they just take a chance they take a flyer and you it's just it when you have to take into account other people's ideas of safety you have to take that into consideration it kind of ruins the whole idea of hunting yeah I I like hunting animals that are acting as animals not as animals that are acting as hunted animals I guess because it's

51:57two different it it's a little more predictable in one sense but you're you're in an natural environment hunting an animal as the animal exists and that to me is what it's all about I like to be out there A lot of times by myself and not see another person yeah there's there is a big difference between the way animals act when they're not hunted around people and uh like I was in Boulder and uh my wife and I were visiting uh this house visiting these people and uh we went to the backyard and this giant mule deer in velvet is just walking straight towards us just straight towards us and and my wife's like do you want to would you want to shoot that deer I like I can never shoot that deer it's just a animal it's a pet that thing's coming right towards us like it wasn't even little a little nervous it was just walking like this looking us right in the eye a big

52:54ass t 10p pointer like a big old mule deer too he didn't he was like he's been in this town forever this this is my town people aren't predators to him at it's just it's actually probably a food source he sees people and they throw apples out probably yeah we uh at one point in time we pulled over the side of the road um just my girls never seen they've seen deers in our yard before but they never seen like a big buck just standing on the side of the road and uh we pulled over to the side of the road and we got out of the car and I said well I just want you to stay close to him because I don't think he do anything but just in case we'll stay on this side of the road and he'll be on the other side we're just separated by the road he's just looking at us he just goes back to eat his thing just looking at us and they were like that's so cool and he was like what the and he

53:38bolted and he's like I don't know what that noise is it sounds like a war cry let me get out of here there a 5-year-old wants to kill me but it's just it's so strange when you see them when they're around people because they become like squirrels you know they just they just sort of hang out yeah yeah they I don't know for me part of hunting is just being in that place that's remote and wild and adventurous and a way to get away and yeah be there by yourself and be in nature and so I mean obviously there's places that you you hunt that are closer but also I think my thing is just kind of going to places that aren't private ranches that aren't whatever just real wild places and going in there and working hard and trying to hunt animals that may not have seen people yeah when you see something hasn't seen a person or when there's just no people around there's this weird

54:29moment when you when you when you lock eyes on them and you're seeing them and you don't have to exist you you you're you mean they would be doing exactly that same thing whether or not you were ever born and you you enter into their world and it's just it's a very weird I I want to say like a Transcendent experience because you're in the wild you're in the real wild and you get the sense of that that these animals they live there and they live there looking out for wolves or Bears or whatever the they're they're worried about it's not people they're worried about yeah I think it's cool too because you see you see a different landscape than everybody else sees because like when you're hunting you're never on a trail you're going cross country through places that someone else would never have a reason to be there you know so there's been a lot of places that I've been and sat

55:20down and thought I wonder if anybody else has ever even been right here I mean maybe they've been in the but have has anyone ever been right here and why would they be here if they weren't hunting but I I was I was actually thinking about this the other day I was in a spot one time I backpacked in just had camping out extremely remote place to start off hiked in a long ways no humans around it was that thought like there's probably nobody has been here and I set up camp for the night and I had a bag of potato chips and I'm like okay I'm going to eat these chips open up the chips and it's starting to get dark eat a chip and I dropped one on the ground and I'm sitting at my tent and a Mouse runs out and grabs the potato chip and starts eating it how does that Mouse know that it can eat potato chips that's that has perplexed me till this day like is that Mouse born knowing that it can eat

56:13peanut oil fried potato chips that's a really good question I I it it it's beyond like I can't figure that out I would think that would be a giant risk for them I would think so too or how why would it even think that that was food because I was eating was like this isn't I'm like in in the middle of nowhere and eating a bag of potato chips going these are some energy this isn't bad but it's it's not natural looking food it doesn't no tastes natural it probably doesn't smell like anything in the woods no and I'm thinking this mouse has definitely never had human contact like if you're in a town or something and you I would yeah pigeons eat things they know it's food they've seen other animals eat that food how did this mouse know that it could eat potato chips that's a very good question I would like to talk to a mouse expert I would too I mean they do

57:03enough studies on them I'm sure there's one out there yeah I wonder if the maybe it's a salt maybe they could smell the salt I don't know you know cuz I know animals gravitate towards those salt blocks those don't make any sense that they leave leave down they need to yeah maybe that's what it is maybe he just recognizes the fact that salt's on it they could probably smell the salt that's what I was thinking cuz I did recently for a new Apex episode um a foraging thing just going out and you know Finding Foods uh much like a bear would but I I'm trying to think as a human do we really have that innate ability to distinguish poisonous plants from non-poisonous plants not really right no not really but I don't know is it something maybe it's passed down or if you were just left on an island alone would you figure out what you could eat boy you'd have to be real

57:57careful with things like mushrooms yeah so I that was one of the cool things that I learned is there's actually way more poisonous plants than there are poisonous mushrooms really yeah well there's a lot more plants I guess you but I mean for the amount of edible plants that there are there's a lot more plants that are inedible so the percentage of plants being poisonous is higher than the percentage of mushrooms being poisonous I this was coming from a guy who's like a mushroom expert and that's what his pitch was okay so maybe he was like Pro mushroom yeah I think he's real Pro mushroom I like faring yeah but uh yeah there was there's actually a lot there I think there's a lot of mushrooms that yeah will kill you dead and then there's some that will make you sick and then there's some there just you can't really eat and then there's some you can't eat there's a few though that are

58:43pretty common that'll kill you dead yeah that's that's very disconcerting it is but there I think there's a lot of plants that will kill you dead too a lot of berries oh yeah I'm sure yeah I don't know about plants you can eat if I was left alone in the woods and I had to figure out what to eat I'd be there's a lot of Basics yeah you learn like 10 Basics that are kind of everywhere like what are the basics you've got like Cattails and dandelion like just common plants that are around a lot of things my grandmother used to make salad um violets violets like the rose like a flower rather you could eat those plant everything um probably wouldn't do it while there's flowers on it why so you can identify it easily oh you want to do it while there's flowers on it um unless you know what the there's a lot of lookalikes plantain which is just kind of like a roadside I mean it's all

59:35over the place it's not like not like plantains but like it's a plant it's called plantain but it's not like a banana right correct yeah yeah I uh watched that Survivor Man Show Les stoud and he would go and he's a real expert and what you can and can't eat and shockingly how little you could find shocking yeah that's that's kind of the thing that struck me is as a human like a bear when they well plants they die off in the winter so then what do you eat I think a lot of people I I've I've heard people say like oh humans our digestive system is more plant-based which we're we're opportunistic omnivores as well as predatory omnivores but once that plant base runs out we can't digest the same things deer can mhm so what are we left to we have to hunt essentially well when people say that that we primarily exist on plant-based diets or that we can or should they they don't take into account

60:35things like Inuits who don't have any cancer at all and they don't eat any vegetables no veget none no fruits nothing lots of seal yeah fats they eat fats and fishes and whale and anything they can kill I mean that's uh that throws a big monkey wrench into that whole Theory I don't I I don't buy that because I think too much of that when people say those things it's ideologically based whether people say you know you should only like people that are like I don't need vegetables I eat all meat I think that's ridiculous when people say that because I think vegetables without a doubt are really good for you I feel better when I eat a lot of vegetables I think it's really good for you but when people say that you should only eat vegetables I well that doesn't make any sense either because this that's not that's not evidence-based that's ideologically based yeah there's a good balance yeah

61:26but but people that say that they're almost always like animal rights people they're almost always vegan or they're almost always you like really into animals the idea that we don't have to consume animals which I kind of see what you're I see what you're saying I don't agree with it but I see what you're saying but when you say that it's healthier it's better for people or it's that's s that's ideological you know it doesn't that doesn't make sense like logically no on either side I mean we can't just eat well we can but just eating only meat and eating like we're omnivores we should eat both but I mean my personal belief is that we should hunt for the meat that we eat and not everyone can do that but it's just for me it's a more natural system it makes more sense to me that is the real problem right cuz not everyone can do it the real problem is we've

62:14ourselves in this position literally ourselves into this position where we have 20 million people jammed into a city right I mean that's what we did we till we ran out of space and now we have all these people piled up we have to keep trucking food into this Festival that we call cities and no one's growing anything I mean we we have these goddamn giant chunks of property that people are you know packed into in apartment buildings and houses and roads and no one's growing a goddamn thing and there there's so many ornamental plants that have no utility like at all what if we just replaced every plant you couldn't eat with a plant you could eat yeah palm trees palm trees well those those do fruit but we they cut them off before we don't want anybody dying do you know 150 people die every year cuz coconuts fall in their head that's that's a bad day all across the world 150 people

63:10worldwide a year from coconuts coconut Punk Larry would be with us today but he had that horrible coconut accident well you got to think man a full coconut like I bought one the other day from supermarket and when you got when you for people who've never seen a coconut in the wild when you're buying them from a supermarket they've already been husked y like so uh you're getting the inside the outside is this hard sort of uh husk that makes it quite a bit heavier you got to chop through all that to get to the round brown piece and you chop through that and that's how you get the milk and the fruit the coconut uh white stuff itself but with one of those Falls from you know 80 90 ft up and hits you in the head you're dude a lot that's a wrap that's a lot of weight coming down real fast I had a buddy used to live in Hawaii and they used to pick fresh mangos they'd go pick

64:03wild mangoes just walk down this road and they would find mangoes and grab them and take like a basket full of mangoes home it's like wow like if you live in Hawaii you kind of can forage like for fresh fruit and live yeah I I I recently found or I I recently heard this and maybe it's incorrect but I'm pretty sure it's true that mangoes are somewhat related to poison ivy so if you're highly allergic to poison ivy or poison oak or sumac then mangoes you would probably be allergic to as well really yeah wow find that out Jamie I that that should be yeah that should be be go I I do because I recently got poison oak or Poison Ivy and so I was just looking it up is that the only time You' ever had it yeah really yeah that's crazy and it wasn't it wasn't that bad but it was days later so must have uh huh on your clothes yeah maybe when I washed everything together like threw

65:04the rain gear in when we were um we were hunting turkeys in uh Napa for uh meat eater and there was poison oak everywhere and everyone was terrified of it all a bunch of guys on the crew got it yeah but I I went way out of the way to not get it took my clothes off outside the car put them I was like in my underwear outside I don't give a come look I'm throwing my in a bag in the back not touching it with my hands taking it out from there when I got home I I made sure that anything that might have come in contact with that stuff cuz ryell was saying he got it on his dick that's a bad day a lot of bad days happening today coconut phone on your head there's no worst place I would think yeah that's the worst place but you think about it if you're touching the trees and then you have to to go to take a leak and you get it on your deck is it true yeah it is oh my

65:58goodness it is true you're a dodg the bullet on that one you're wow this what a weird word u r u sh i o l how do you say that Ural oal is a chemical found in the oil of the mango sap urwal is also found in poison ivy and poison oak therefore people who have a history of reactions to poison ivy and poison oak should be cautious when handling mangoes wow that's interesting very interesting uh when I did Fear Factor we found out that if you are allergic to shellfish you're also allergic to roaches same same exact enzyme in uh roaches and so people that we had on the show well I should say person one dude he ate a bunch of roaches and he had shellfish allergy and it just his throat closed up to the side of like a like a soda pop straw like they probably didn't test for that no well they panicked they had to take this guy to the hospital they had to give him a shot I think they we had an

66:59EMT standing by always um so I think they gave him a shot of adrenal adrenaline or something like that epinephrine you think what is that what they give him and uh then they sent him to the hospital and they kicked him off the show get out of here kid you lose keep your mouth shut it's never happened and we dodged so many bullets on that show there's that show man I mean they did a great job with don't don't get me wrong did a great job with stunt they they planned things out well in advance and they got approval from the network for every step of the way but they dodged a lot of bullets was there anything on there that you thought to yourself I kind of want to try that oh yeah yeah a bunch of them like especially the car stunts like flipping cars off the top of a building because uh they would flip them into these gigantic stacks of cardboard boxes that's how they would um uh do the car

67:48stunts so they would have these folded up cardboard boxes and they would stack them like the size of a building like two stories up and like they had a crew of guys that would go in there and stack these boxes so that if they had boxes like they have a cardboard box it was like in the inside of it was like an X and they would close the Box up then put another one on top of it and close that box up put another one on top of it and they would have like stacked up 50 boxes high and then they would flip these cars through the air off the top of like a 10-story building and boom we just land on this giant building of boxes of cardboard boxes and then sink to the bottom but it was totally safe that way and it was so cool that's that's one I wanted to try what I've always wondered this cuz I remember watching an episode of Fear Factor what what's the deal with

68:35those 100y old eggs wasn't that on it's not really 100y old what's yeah what's the TR it's expression okay it's the Chinese call it 100y old eggs and what it means is it's a style of uh fermenting where they would take an egg and they would bury it in the ground and I I don't remember the whole process but it's only really like a few months old okay but they become black just nasty yeah the white becomes but nasty to us but to Chinese people it's a delicacy oh okay so it's it is something that people normally eat okay well that was one of the things that we had to do early on we could only serve people something that someone somewhere ate in the world gotcha so like if we we serve people eyeballs like sheep's eyeballs that's a pretty common thing that people eat especially in places where they don't have much money it's there's protein in that don't throw it away eat it so

69:26there's a history of people eating sheep eyeballs we could serve them cheap eyballs bugs human placenta yeah placenta the believe it or not right that's a weird one people cook it that's disgusting it's crazy I've eaten a lot of strange things but the most recently strange I I tried to eat a live slug that don't do that no why did you my chickens don't even like those things it immediately builds up this amazing amount of like film in your mouth makes everything it's it was the you almost have I guess you can get some kind of brain worm from it as well dude the the when you at first I I kind of bit it in half to kind of gut it and I I was like I and and then immediately I regretted my decision it was instantaneous but it took a few seconds it was it was all a sudden it was like one bite two bites and I was like what's happening this this is not good and at that moment I

70:26realized no humans have no clue what you can eat go away why did you have to eat it raw I I did well was it for the show obviously yeah I didn't have to I just found it was thinking why I've never eaten a raw Slug and I I was thinking about it and I was in my mind I was like I know there's something strange about him I know won't kill you and I was like Yep this is why people don't do it well you and ranella ate a coyote on that Mexico show that was that was hard to watch wasn't that it wasn't that bad wasn't good it wasn't bad but when you burn the hair off of it that's what I was like oh Jesus Christ dipping dipping in that pond water like it was a stagnant pool in northern Mexico you're just asking for the new AIDS you're just asking to create it oh God so we got coyote AIDS from pond water singed Coyote Well rell's got everything yeah he he's I that he's got

71:27it all man he's had everything he had jaria and lime disease at the same time that's the worst combination of things you can have I because he got uh trichosis too he got osis and so now when once I found out he got osis I thought if Steve Rella can get osis anybody can get osis cuz he him talking about bears and osis goes hand in hand yeah and I mean when you're cooking over a fire though a lot of the stuff you eat is undercooked yeah um so I recently went on a bear hunt and brought a meat thermometer with me and I ate I ate some brown bear because I wasn't I always hear that brown bear is inedible right and I I'm just one of those people I I'm not going to believe it until I've tried it because I've heard a lot of other things don't taste good and I I have a really good I'm defending myself now I have a really good sense of taste as I put a slug in my mouth but uh I thought it was the

72:29best bear I've ever eaten really yeah and and was it interior was it interior it was Coastal and it was eating a seal a dead seal carcass and it was good but it was a younger bear oh um it wasn't I mean for meat I it was better than any black bear I've ever had really yeah was it the backstraps yeah every all of it so you ate everything the whole be and was this how did you cook it over well we started over the fire it was good yeah it was good you could you could visibly see like parasites like worms in some of the areas like around the stomach and other places but not that's why I me thermometer time but you could visibly see the parasites wow so I think that I think that immediately makes people think it's going to be bad I yeah I'm bringing my uh bear to uh the bear that I have left to a sausage guy in uh Bakersfield makes good sausage yeah that's that's probably the best way to

73:30do it where you don't worry about it this guy makes uh sausage and he makes a really good summer sausage so if you get the summer sausage already already cooked you know is probably a good thing for something like bear but there that that one element always kind of bums me out that you always have to worry about it having a parasite that's what I really like about deer or elk or something like that is that you don't have to think about that you eat it like pretty rare yeah you got you almost have to undercook it cuz once it there's no fat in it so if if you cook it too much it's just dry and not I think a lot of people almost don't like wild meat because they don't prepare it right yeah it gets chewy gets real chewy and like but if done right it's nothing better yeah I was uh at uh elk Camp these guys are putting A1 steak sauce on elk I was like you guys should all go to jail yeah

74:18should all be in jail for this this is this should be illegal this one guy took all of his elk and ground it up made hamburger out of everything the whole elk all of it yeah I was like that seems I mean look witches yeah elk Burger tastes great don't get me wrong but why you doing that like why do you not know how to cook it like this seems crazy yeah I like I like cooking it in large pieces almost like a roast and like the backstrap big pieces and then slicing it after it's cooked that way it's always it's cooked right it's such a distinct flavor yeah that you you know the only way you get it from a store is that they get it from New Zealand which is really weird yeah and those if you get deer like venison it doesn't distinguish what it is most of the time it's red deer or phow deer oh really so if you get venison from New Zeal generally Red Deer F deer and they're they're I I call them

75:13like lot raised but grass-fed because the Grass Grows so easy and well over there they don't so green yeah there's no there's not a lot of supp Al we winter feeding or anything like that so it's grass-fed most of the time no pesticides or any of that kind of stuff would be added just not necessary cuz the the animals there don't have a lot of the things that we I mean they have tuberculosis but that's uh they don't have like mad cow over there or anything like that so they don't have to they don't have a lot of the bugs that we have um in some places they have tix but not everywhere so they don't have to do a lot of things so it is fairly clean meat cons consider it it's just weird that we have so many deer and Elk over here but yet when you buy meat a good percentage of it is coming from New Zealand yeah because it's well you can't sell Wild game meat in America that's

76:06wild because and I see the reason for it because once you put a value on something a monetary value then people opt to break the law even more it's like yeah rhinos and elephants and all if there was no value of the horns or the tusks no one would care they wouldn't no one would shoot them yeah illegally yeah I mean Rhino tastes good Cory Nolton said that it was one of the best Meats he's ever eaten when he shot that black that's an expensive steak I would say that too like when I spend $30 on a steak I go that's God that was the best steak I ever had when you spend $350,000 to shoot an endangered Rhino and then eat it and then get death threats for the next 6 months yeah pretty much every day you're like that's you're eating that steak on house so worse it well he said it was really good he said it legitimately good I've heard hippo's really good as well it's a big

76:58it's a cousin of a pig right isn't it I'm not sure about that I think hippo is related to a pig I think it's like the cousin of a pig something along those lines just a giant nasty pig you you've seen that video where the pig is or the hippo rather is chasing the people in a speedboat no such a crazy video see if you can find that video Jamie cuz these guys are in a boat and they're trying to get away and this both swimming after them like just charging in the water after them and like is right on their ass and it's as big as the boat it's enormous they move fast I got so fast I was in Africa uh and a friend of mine um who's a pH there and I was helping out he pH means professional Hunter that's a like a guide in America they call him professional hunters in Africa for folks listening and so there was a problem hippo is just one that was a danger in

77:53could kill people so we went in there to go find it um and it the speed that they move was insane I've never seen anything in that size move that fast it kind of freaks you out cuz you're in real tight quarters and it's in the water and you see these bubbles just coming it's like get ready coming towards you to get you mhm here it is watch this check this out but then he says the hippo just coming just a few of the of the the driver G the Eng away in just a nick of time I looked this look at the size of that thing you know that hippos are highly aggressive and unpredictable and the most dangerous mammal in Africa I would never have known that so thank goodness he gunned it when he did the size of that thing yeah people don't know because a Hungry Hungry Hippo I have I played that with my 5-year-old the other day see it's cuz Disneyland stopped that ride where they shoot at

78:53the hippos they had a ride where you shoot at the wasn't it the I think it was some kind of jungle boat thing I remember that as a kid and the guy would like pretend like he was shooting at the hippos oh really they stopped it I think people call you a monster now you monster Hipp you shot the hung I me they probably stopped that about 20 years ago well there's so many weird uh things that we've turned cute like polar bears polar bears you sell Klondike Bars and cocacola you know hippos they're like they're s they dance around they have bows in their hair twoos yeah I mean we've done some weird things to animals I mean Yogi Bear Yogi Bear is a Grizzly Man Yogi Bear lives in Yellowstone Park right yeah that's where he's supposed to live or he's supposed to live in jelly Stone jelly Stone but it's basically the same thing he's big he's way too big to be a black bear

79:44right he's giant y Yogi's huge he wears a hat you know hey boo booom just trying to get a little pig AIC basket you know I mean what did we do we confuse his out of little kids and then Bambi Bambi Bambi was the one that ruined hunting for everybody and it also Bambi's a a buck it's a man's name apparently Bambi is a man's name you think about it Bambi was a buck so we associate Bambi with female I thought Bambi was a female no no it's a bug Bambi's a buck well the Bucks are never taking care of The Offspring that's why that movie's stupid Bambi's A Boy Named Sue really in the deer world it's a Johnny Cash song it's like his dad knew he wouldn't be around so I'm going to name you Bambi you're going to grow up to be tough son everybody missed the point of that movie that's really what it was about a lot of hunters will talk about that movie like it's like

80:40like it was the end of good days and like it changed the way America perceived hunting because all of a sudden you get this adorable Bambi this adorable sweet deer and it was right around the same same time where Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer came out but there's there's no cows that have come across that way cows are yeah nobody there's no happy cows well in California there's happy cows I was driving through LA today and saw so many happy cows I think you're talking about people over Sor different I passed no less than 12 McDonald's on the way here it's so gross this is such a culture shock for me because I literally spend most of my life around very few people and even yesterday I was just out in the mountains of Montana guiding hunters and then I come here and look around and you just feel like holy smokes this is reality here oh well this is this reality this reality yeah it's

81:37completely different than what I'm used to and I think a lot of people don't realize that there are people that live completely different than them yeah people in Montana have no clue what this world is and people here have no clue what that world is I love Montana I love it I was just in Boseman last week yeah we were pheasant hunting okay for Bourdain's TV show and we're wandering around Boseman it's like what a great place isn't Boseman awesome it's amazing yeah so zpz you know that they do Steve show and they do my 0.0 0.0 they they've just opened like an office in Boseman so I got to go there Dodie D dod's got it yeah love that dude man Boseman is a cool town the best it's got It's Just Got a Cool vibe and even like the there's well I guess the town is essentially 47 bars down Main Street interspersed with sandwich and steak shop so I guess really there's nothing

82:29not to like about it yeah it's pretty much perfect and then not that many people I mean the whole city or the whole state has like a million people right yeah I think the whole state yeah yeah and there's they don't the third largest state or yeah it's Yeah by volume it's the third largest state and it has uh like what we said like less than a million people and no traffic just it doesn't exist there's no traffic jams 5:00 what happens nothing he just drive it's like normal and I mean all around it there's just you can be in the mountains you can get away from people there's big Wilderness and oh it's beautiful we saw a lot of analou lot of Pronghorn we saw um lot we saw quite a bit pheasants I didn't get one but uh well I'm supposed probably not supposed to say what happened on the show it's a mystery but somebody did huh he's taller than me he's got gray hair there's we

83:19saw mule deer when we're out there it's just it's beautiful It's amazing such a great state yeah it's it's wild I mean it is as close to Wild and real Wilderness as you can get in America and Alaska's another notch above that I Alaska takes Alaska's like oh yeah check this out look what we got yeah we got we got even bigger that's is that the biggest state Alaska yeah for sure the biggest state the least amount of people it's probably got the least amount of people right yeah would that make sense yeah so technically Montana is not the third largest State I guess it would be alas Texas California right I don't know I'd heard it was the third they kept saying it was the third maybe it is third whatever it is I don't know it's giant for I'm not smarter than a fifth grader well it's not smart it's information that's absorbed if you really smart you would have actually

84:10gone out there and measured it right that's true but the uh the mountains out there there's something amazing about them there's something amazing about like that kind of solitude when you're in those areas where you you sit down you could sit down on a ridge like if you're glassing or something like that and you just hear nothing you just hear wind and you look out and you realize this mountain doesn't give a if you exist it doesn't it doesn't care if you're here if you're gone if you fall off this cliff and Smash Your Head On The Rocks still there same exactly the same you know some animals will find you they'll eat you and that's a wrap you know and then everything keeps moving keeps moving the same direction it always has thousands and thousands of years and then we think that the mountains themselves came about through seismic activity that forced the

85:02crust of the earth to shift and move upwards and to thousands and thousands of feet above sea level like what a crazy place it is meanwhile you're in La checking out McDonald's more happy CS when you're doing the show we we briefly touched on it before it's called apex predator and it's on the uh Outdoors Network Outdoorsman Outdoor Channel Outdoor Channel Sportsman's Network Sportsman's Channel and the Outdoor Channel and the Outdoor Channel um has uh your show you're you're trying to imitate the methods that various animals use in in trying to survive and and Hunt prey and uh I got curious about a couple of these that I haven't seen yet first of all the mountain line one what did you do for the mountain line one so yeah so the show is kind of uh I I see it as almost a natural history lesson where we're looking at humans are in my opinion undoubtedly the coolest species on the

86:03planet because we can adapt so many things that other animals do so well but the other thing that we're looking at is how did humans become these top Hunters it's called apex predor not that I'm the apex predator that were studying apex predators but humans as a whole are pretty much at the top the food chain and we can look at everything a certain animal does or something in nature that specialized and possibly try to mimic it in in a way and so with the mountain line episode what we did is the mountain line is a a very silent Predator they're quiet and that's one of the reasons they're so effective and so my thought was well can humans be as quiet as a mountain lion how do we do this so I looked at a mountain lion and met with the mountain line expert and then we actually did some experiments on the mountain lion as far as measuring its force it exerts on the ground and how

87:00essentially how loud it it is and when it walks and the way it walks and with slow motion cameras and everything and then I tried to mimic that in a certain way by using moccasins or or even bare feet and what what would I found out while doing this is is pretty cool I don't want to give it all away but humans really like the way we walk now we heal and it's a forceful impact and what that forceful impact does is it puts because we're bipedal we put you know all of our weight on one foot at a time pretty much as we're moving our feet and that's allowed and especially the way we do it but as humans modern Footwear has dictated the way we now walk with our heel strike we used to walk almost identical to the mountain line with our with our toes first slowly rolling our plan and being quiet so we've kind of evolved into this loud bumbling animal when originally we we

87:58naturally are quiet like the mountain line I've tried to run that way on your on your to your toes and it feels so odd it does it feels like uh I'm doing it wrong you know cuz and the the the design like what you're saying of Footwear is what is making people run heel first it's running shoes yeah I mean obviously that we found out it makes you faster but then you have all these reason I I think it has to I don't know because you're uh the way it was explained to me is yeah you're you're propelling forward off your toe so that's giving you more Ground Force to push off at a running gate um because if you land on your toe you have to lean forward more and you don't have as much ground force exerted because you're using the inertia of the heel to roll forward and push forward that makes sense um but I mean it makes us I think sort yeah it's got to make us

88:53faster is what it was explained to me but when you're on your toes you absorb more shock mhm so I think you have I would probably less injury well when I first started reading about this and hearing this I watched my kids run around and especially when they run around Barefoot and they run toes first toes first it's just that's natural for them natural way then we learn to walk different it's and it's hard to it's hard to cuz you're trained so much to walk like that but the only real way to do it is just go without I used moccasins because there's a lot it was you can you actually still feel the ground the same it just a piece of leather to keep the thorns and everything out so cuz I was going miles a day and your feet would get tired and sore and you had to walk on your toes because otherwise your knees hurt your your whole body hurt you just have to

89:49there's no way to do it otherwise when you're barefoot when do is that going to change the way you wear Footwear when you go hunting do you do you wear like a thick heavy Mountain boot um I what boot I wear depends on the terrain and what I'm doing but generally if I'm stalking it on something I generally just take my shoes off always I always have um go in my socks or Barefoot or some kind of yeah because that uh you know the the stiff sole of a boot you can't feel the ground right right and as a hunter you really need to be able to feel the ground snapping twigs and things along those lines yeah I think there's a there's a lot of things that Hunters do that I think a lot of people may not do and I notice it when I guide people or whatever even guys that hunt a lot but maybe not the type of hunting that I do like even the way we walk a lot of people walk and

90:43they look down at the ground MH I don't get that like they don't want to step on anything yeah but yet it's because we don't we've same thing we've we no longer need to feel the ground but we should be walking with our heads up looking around we know how to walk we know what's in front of us that's when the poisonous SPID get you gets you right I think that's what people worried about no it's the bear that gets you while you're sleeping so you shouldn't sleep that's right you should look around and walk should sleep during the day the Bears are sleeping yeah that's the move that is the move or sleep in at no tree but if you fall um yeah the move is uh there's no move like you have to the move is your truck that's the move sleep in the truck I've always thought that like that's got to be the move like sleep sleep in some sort of a camper type situation those ones that I

91:30saw that have uh it was a they had it on a Land Cruiser where the uh it's like a shelf that folds over and then a ladder comes down the ladder acts as sort of a prop and then from there they they pop this tent up and then you sleeping on the roof of the truck I'm like that's perfect yeah I saw one once at a trail head and thought well that's pretty neat yeah it also kind of looked like a pain in the ass there too a little bit it's a little high you know it's only about 6 in above the truck not too bad when you think about a whole you can get a whole tent in there but if someone's going to climb up that ladder at least you can hear it you know I think if you've got a tent out and a bear comes and gets you in your tent the statistical probability of that is so small that it was just bad timing it might be your time well I wonder if they had I wonder if they had

92:19uh an open tent after ask Rella how that kid got bit in the head yeah but I mean especially in Alaska I spent a lot of time up there this year and it's so wet and you have that tent open most of the time just to kind of keep air flowing and keep everything more dry it seems like I I do at least you leave it open I close the vesu but I leave a lot of the tent yeah open you know vent it cuz I think a lot of people just close themselves in there and then your body creates sweat and steam and then nothing nothing ever dries out when you uh there's there's all these different moves now to try to or uh movements now to try to hike and camp out as lightly as possible like super light packs some guys don't even bring their own water they just bring filters so they can find water and filter it along the way and then it sort of adds to the element like you're living almost off the land like

93:16really close to off the land and I know you've done hunts where you literally did you didn't bring any food like there was some of your uh episodes where you were starving to death on TV yeah um yeah I like to go light sometimes at my own detriment um I think you know there there's times where yeah I think well there there's uh they always say like hunt like you're hungry and I've I've done I've done some research on things and your your physi your physiology changes at there's a lot of animals that only hunt when they're hungry um there's some that just always hunt um but or like not hungry but literally starving but you you sense more your sense of smell is heightened I think you do like they call it more exploratory sniffing but you're just taking in more senses and dissecting everything a little bit more cuz everything's sort of ramped up because

94:08you need resources because you're hungry so when you walk into a place if you walk into a grocery or like a restaurant or you're walking down the street and you're really hungry you'll smell the turkey roasting a lot further away than you would if you are on a completely full stomach because it's not your brain is not searching for food at that point yeah my wife always says don't go grocery shopping when you're hungry you come home when you walk through the bread aisle when you're hungry you smell the bread you don't at any other you're like I need bread that's so true like you never smell it when you're full that's so true I wonder is so physiologically are there changes that are going on yeah you're doing more exploratory well you're you're smelling more times your brain's Pro processing what's coming in because it's looking for food so this is actually a measurable fact wow that

94:56makes sense it makes sense that it's designed like that and it also makes sense that maybe your your your senses would be heightened and you'd be like less prone to around and really get down to business yeah but I mean a lot of times yeah as far as going Backcountry type you you can't carry everything you need most times so you yeah you need to drink what water is there you need to I mean I'll bring as much food as I can on a normal trip but a lot of times I may yeah if you can find something also to eat or bring a catch fish or whatever it just AIDS in you being able to stay out there longer yeah but you just have to rely on the ability to do that and when you don't like there was that one trip that you did on solo Hunter where you uh I think it was a mule deer hunt yep in Nevada yeah and you basically were starving to death on TV yeah I and part of that was

95:47I had food with me on that one but I was burning way more calories than I was taking in cuz you're hiking in the High Country and just going and it was rough steep stuff and I didn't bring enough food but I also wasn't finding any deer so I just kept staying on and didn't have enough food and then eventually I found a deer I was like finally when you ate that deer was that the best tasting thing you've ever eaten in your life it was good I think I ate the heart raw did you yeah oh you bit into it on the show yeah um like when you did the black bear episode what did you do for that uh that was foraging so oh so you did all foring all foraging just kind I I wouldn't call it a survival episode cuz I think that's kind of it's hard to I've I've decided the only real way to do a survival type show would be to film yourself and that's the truth because like Les trout does yeah and I I think

96:40like maybe the I don't know if you've seen Naked and Afraid yes I think that one's like the way they have it set up it could be it's super legit in my opinion but I think also like when you're trying to do film a survival show you're also filming a TV show so you need to do certain things for filming that are detracting from surviving so you may not be dedicating 100% attention to finding food and other things I guess but yeah I didn't bring any food or anything with me so for 3 days I forged like a Bearwood and I wasn't intending to hunt anything I was just foraging and be like is this a hunting show is this a well it's not really a hunting show it's but it's also I wanted to see what lesson I learned from that and I learned a pretty sweet lesson as far as why humans possibly needed to hunt you know it's far sucks yeah well it yeah it devotes so much time and you're eating I

97:38call them like bitter leafy greens just sticks and twigs and it tastes like you know and how much calories can you get out of that though not that much I I mean you you can get enough what I call it is like getting enough energy to go out hunting cuz you at some point are going to want a substantial meal and even just I mean obviously like 3 days you aren't going you could you can fast for you know you don't need that food but when you're when you're working and doing things like if you were going out hunting yeah you're burning a lot of calories to try to get a bigger score that you can have for a longer period of time foring just kind of GA constantly Gathering little salads like little salads with no dressing like you would so monotonous eat through that so quick too your body would just like light that on fire at some point when you're eating I mean like real bitter stuff like chory

98:30and dandelion and crap and it's just so bitter you're it's like I'll just go hungry just longing for some Newman's Own salad dressing something cook it I was like this slug would probably be better than that now when you ate the slug and you said that there was a worm that you could possibly get the brain worm did you know about that forand no I apparently it's I've done a lot of things that I find out I like to do things and then research afterwards it's kind of like trial by fire I've dodged a lot of bullets but I guess I I think they eat rat that has something in it who does bears do slugs oh slugs do oh slugs eat rat and then that that's somehow another but it' be in their intestines so I I know that enough to not eat intestines of a lot of things I didn't even know lugs had intestines I thought they were just a slug now they've got a whole little system whole

99:25track going on yeah well I've uh fed uh my my chickens love snails they they'll a snail up man if they find a snail my chickens are funny man they'll they'll stand by like if I'll pick up a rock and they'll they'll wait around the Rock and I'll lift up the Rock and they swarm under the rock looking to get at whatever's in there like they know now they've their brains are so small they're so stupid but they know now that when I go near a rock I'm going to pick it up for them they know there's some underneath that rock they go after it but when they see a snail they'll fight over it they'll they'll check each other out of the way and Jack that snail yeah they're predatory little snails are a lot better than slugs I put my re Warren seal of approval but you ate everything raw you didn't try to cook anything oh I cooked stuff too did you there's you have to watch the episode I eat

100:16something that something that might even make Fear Factor really but it was good I was like hey this is delicious now what about um I saw the otter episode and you held your breath for like 4 minutes right yeah a little over four minutes that's crazy I did it in this studio um I had that guy the Iceman whim Hoff have you heard of that guy he's a guy that uh summited Everest in his shorts with no shirt on yeah with ice shoes on he ran a half marathon in Finland at 30 below zero weather with no shoes and shorts with no shirt on yeah he's got this crazy breathing method it's this wild breathing method and he's just he's got 26 I believe World Records wow for endurance and cold and the ability to withstand cold swam uh supposed to swim 50 yards under the ice to this hole in Antarctica and uh when was it Antarctica I don't know where it was wherever it was somewhere cold as

101:13where he swam Under Ice anyway it was so cold the water was so cold that his eyeballs froze and he couldn't see so he couldn't find where the hole is to pop up at 50 yards in so he swam back and forth so he wound up swimming the actual distance was over 100 yards underwater that's crazy with one breath yeah that's insane cuz holding holding your breath in cold water is super hard yeah it's really hard that's one of the things we found on Fear Factor we we put these people in cold water and make them do these stunts like soon as you get in there you're you're you start shivering and you're using up your oxygen MH have you have you you should try have you ever tried the long breath hold thing the longest I've ever held it was on the show 2 minutes and like 30 seconds or something like that that's like that that's not two and a half minute threshold once you it's it's a crazy

102:03experience cuz everybody can hold their breath for that four five minutes I think yeah you did it the first time you only did it for like a couple minutes right well just like straight out of the gate no practice just a minute and a half and then yeah and by the end of the few hours I was holding my breath for over four minutes and this was just someone teaching you a method well really it's just a mental thing you get over it it was just knowing that you aren't going to die when your body's screaming that you are oh it's a weird but once you break the once you break through that threshold you're like I and even when I got up I was thinking to myself I could have gone longer really yeah because he was there and the first thing they teach you is like when you're with a a dive buddy or whatever these things he's like breathe the first thing they tell you is breathe

102:54because you get up and you forget to breathe like everybody BLS out at the surface because it's almost like you figur it out you really don't need air it's just the mental aspect of thinking that you do it's really weird and and they kind of explain the whole stages of your your body that you'll go through and then know when you actually do need to breathe and it's a weird it's a it's like the coolest feeling though when you get up you're like wow it's a mental thing and a physical thing and it's a cool feeling well it's a primal Terror yeah not having any air is a primal Terror yeah it's makes people panic you know and when you're uh when you're exhausted that's one of the things that MMA fighters do to each other when uh they're exhausted they'll they'll cover the other guy's mouth and nose and it's it's a legal tactic and you'll see it like in grappling matches like where

103:46guys a guy will have a guy's back and he's trying to choke him and he'll cover his hole cover his mouth and in his in his nose you see the garlic and when you try to move that guy's hand that's when will choke you because you're exposing your neck like you might be defending your neck and then they just cover your mouth hole and then you have to you have to open up a little to try to stop the covering your mouth and that's when they get an arm under your neck yeah and once you start to panic you use up all that yeah that essential oxygen well Wim Hoff has held his breath for seven minutes and I was like Jesus Christ just sitting here he just hold it for seven minutes yeah held it for 7 minutes underwater I think too yeah there's people that can go 12 plus well didn't David Blaine win some did make some world record I think so yeah what he did he packed he lung

104:32packed with pure oxygen is what I heard yeah yeah he like breathed in from a tank or something like that right and then it allows you to hold it much longer I guess yeah but still that first like well if you did two and a half minutes that first two first minute feels like forever yeah I probably could have kep going a little longer but I was starting to panic yeah you just get I the other thing though is to to initiate the Mamon dive reflex you need to like Splash your face with water you need to kind of like lower your heart rate kind of almost meditation style lower your heart rate get into a place where your body's ready for it that's what they call it mamillion dive reflex yeah it's the same it's the same reflex that whales and all aquatic mammals use to hold their breath and humans have the exact same dive reflex that whales have have you ever heard the um theory of the Aquatic

105:23ape no it's a really fascinating theory about human beings that they believe that human beings evolved around water and that's why our babies are so fat because uh like a chimp baby chimp babies are seny they come out of the gate like yolked chimp babies like they're shredded you know and our babies are so fat and the idea is that our babies like if you take a chimp baby and you throw it in the water apparently the little will drown but if you take a human baby and you throw it in the water the baby will hold its breath right yeah that's it's that Mamon dive refle we automatically know how to hold our breath yeah that's so there's a the swim though that's where it came from that we like literally evolved to be around water and we're around water which kind of almost makes sense when you think about the fact that the high population centers are always

106:13around ports you know we're all always around water and that's how we've been traveling back and forth for eons well lot of food underwater as well yeah now would when you uh did the otter episode what did you did you try to eat that you found under under the water otter did did a Open Water spear fishing thing oh that's right yeah spear fishing is like not fishing it's like underwater hunting yeah that's cool it's fun is it I've I've done it before and once I did this like learned from a guy who really knows what he's doing I realized that everything I had done in the past probably should have killed me like the top 10 things not to do I did like what what are those things let your ear out I would like as I would swim up and I would I would go I would dive pretty deep without anybody like without a buddy and just all kinds of stupid stuff so did you do the proper

107:07calculations like Bourdain was telling me he loves uh scuba diving but he said one of the hardest things was learning the calculations like you've been this deep for this long so you have to go to this area and wait and then go to that area and wait like there's like calculations that you have to do to make sure you don't get the bends you don't do that um when you take a breath from the surface because when you're scuba diving you're breathing compressed air so as you go different depths in the water the the pressure changes on your body so the amount of oxygen in that space changes so if you take a breath like if you Dove down took a breath from compressed air and went up your lungs would explode you'd be dead wa that's why when you free dive it's one breath you can't you can't be down there and go emergency sipping on oxygen and then shoot up to the surface cuz you'll float

107:55right up to the top and explode oh wow be dead so you got to if you take it from the surface your lungs change with the space of air if that makes sense that does make sense so as you dive deeper your lungs compact but what that does is it puts the same amount of oxygen in a smaller amount of space so it's almost like you feel you have more breath I guess and but feel the pressure and then as you go up your lungs expand so it kind of feels so you can kind of play with your breath hold based on the depths that you're at I've never been in deep water before but I would imagine like the pressure must feel really freaky like if you're like what does it what does it feel like on your body feels yeah it feels heavy heavy to pressure yeah wow and and the weight of your about that before and so your buoyancy changes as well so it depends how deep you're diving but like

108:50I was weighted for 33 ft so at 33 ft I would float to the top below 33 ft you sink oh so so so the first 33 ft you kick down you're kicking harder because you're floating right once you get past that you can slowly kick because you know to change the amount of energy you're doing and you can keep going down down down but because as you're sinking and then when you come back up you need to kick hard and then once you hit 33 ft you pretty much just float to the surface so if you blacked out as long as you're above 3 ft you'll pop back up wow so on your way up cuz most of the blackouts happen at the top what kind of crazy figured out how to take air stick it in a tank connect a tube I mean when did they first start doing that when did scuba diving first start getting done I'm not sure I know they they used to pump it from the surface in the big helmets you know oh that's right

109:41yeah so they'd be on the top I remember watching videos about that boy those those things must have leaked like crazy too how they probably sa but use Tre resap and suit just drop you in like a rock the first time somebody got the bends they're probably like what's wrong with this oh yeah had no idea they were just making it up as they went along but free diving is not the same issues right you could take a deep breath and you can go as deep as you want and come back up as quick as you want right yep no no speed and that's how you did it yep so that seems to me like super risky though right like if you're down there and you're running out of air that's got to be um no I don't know I mean it could be I guess if you it's I think it's like anything if you do it safely right yeah it's kind of unnerving when you dive down and you look up it's like you're really deep and you're

110:35holding your breath you're holding your breath but if you start to panic you're going to it's counterproductive right you're going to use up your so when you feel like you're out of air and you start panicking then you're out you're going to be out of air faster you're yeah now when you when you do it and you dive down and you go as deep as you can and then you're spear fishing do you have like a watch on that tells you like where you're at or you just going based on I can hang in here for like another 30 seconds and I got to start headed up pretty much and you can like you could drop a line down that you could almost see like Dive by a line that has markings on it I guess I mean I'm by no means a dive expert right but I mean it's one thing that I I do enjoy doing it's seems awesome yeah now um when you do do it though like what is the longest time you've ever I mean you

111:24held your breath for four minutes what the longest time you ever held your breath while you were free diving and spear fishing probably 2 minutes two minutes yeah it's about half cuz you can go what you you would do is like go down say 40 feet and just hang for a minute and then kick back up you know it's like 30 seconds down minute back up to the surface and so you're going to like a reef or something like that yeah or just like for that episode we were in open ocean most everything I've done before was fishing around like spear fishing around reefs but this was open ocean just BL like that's kind of weird cuz you're kicking down there's no bottom just Blue Water you see a giant shark swim by you saw sharks yeah oh God and then but then you you get there you hang and you see this whole school of fish and then they come up to you like big school of big

112:11fish I mean these are 40 lb fish there's a video that somebody sent me from South Africa of these guys South Africa maybe Australia not sure I think it was Australia now that I think about these guys caught a Marlin and they're bringing in the Marlin and a shark mauls it like feet from the boat like six 7t from the boat cuts it in half and all they pull up is the fin or the uh the nose the what do they call shark what do they call the uh sword the sword whatever it is like everything from the Gill's back is gone it was a big shark it was a great white just severed it in half smashed it it's like that all that yeah they throw a propane tank in there and try to shoot it with a 30 out six afterwards great movie now when you saw the big shark did you freak out at all no and it was gone as quick as it appeared it was it was pretty cool though because um it I needed a break

113:08after a while cuz it's just kind of starting to get seasick and I got on the boat and we had Dan doie threw a Lon in and caught a a fish and he's fighting this fish he's like sweet and then all of a sudden Rod just doubles over fish is gone that shark just hammered it took it oh my God it's pretty cool that is cool and then the shark was gone we only saw it briefly I don't even remember what kind it was but I mean it ate a 40 lb fish where were you guys again when you were fishing uh Gulf of Mexico off Florida yeah there's a lot of fish down there and a lot of sharks it was cool yeah the whole uh west coast of California like down through Mexico lot of sharks apparently there's a a breeding area that's around San Francisco like San Francisco the great whites they breed up there which is very unnerving like right outside of a city the biggest monster predator on the

114:03planet between San Francisco and alcatra yeah yeah right there yeah where people are swimming yeah that's where they breed that all that have you seen that I'm sure you've had to have seen it that video I just recently saw it though I'm kind of outdated but uh the surf competition where the dude the shark grabs that's pretty cool it's crazy just well explain it explain explain what happened well he's paddling in a surf competition and then all of a sudden the guy just he just went under right shark grabbed somehow went for the the board board and got his leash yeah and it was funny cuz the announcers had no clue what was going on they're just kind of talking normal it'd be like you announcing UFC and a bear coming in and eating the dude and just continuing on like oh something strange is going on out there Nate Diaz has disappeared from the Octagon yeah what about um there was uh

114:59one that you did that was a golden eagle one what did you do with that one uh we we looked at the way that the eagle uses it vision and I mean they can see prey animals from up to 2 miles away which is insane I've heard that about bald eagles in Alaska that they can see Fish on the water yeah like fish that are coming up on the surface they could see for m yeah they say that Eagles have well even as they're flying they can see things so much faster it's almost like if you explain a camera the way it has frame rates you can change the frame rate of a camera it's how many frames per second well we have essentially the same thing in our brain of how many images we can see per second so something's moving real fast we can't see it whereas the eagle as it's flying it sees more images at once plus they have two centers of focus in their eye so they can focus

115:46near and far simultaneously whereas our eyes change we look at our hands and everything else is blurry and we look at the wall and our hands are blurry but they can focus on two things at the exact same time so they're looking at it like um like like a video camera yeah instead of like a film camera yeah or a video camera this might be too technical but a video camera with a high F stop that means that like it's but that's it's actually different like the more light you the less light you let in the more things are in Focus but they have two centers of Focus where our eyes just have one huh wow yeah but then we related that to using Optics and being able to sit up on a mountain top and spot animals from two plus miles away consistently yeah that's the one thing that animals haven't figured out yet Optics yeah imagine if you could get a eagle pair of binoculars yeah well the

116:43eagle yeah it's got the Optics built into its head I wonder if they I mean they can spot things from miles away but but I mean I wonder if they have like a magnified Vision yeah they do they do it's just like looking through Optics I mean they can spot things their Visions it's hard to quantify it as cuz we we use numbers with our Optics like eight times or they say they say an analou has like eight power binocular Visions so you throw up your eight power binoculars and it's like what an analou but they also obviously can see right in front of them when they're eating their food so it's different so so they can see as they're flying they can look like on the Hill 2 miles away and right below it's such a fast rate that they can spot things they they kind of have a search image in their head of what an animal looks like and then when they see it they key on it and fly that direction

117:33that's one of the more fascinating things about vision is that so many different animals have different kinds of V Vision that have simultaneously evolved yeah that like the octopus which is another animal that you study okay hands down coolest anall on the planet really I don't even know if it's from this planet now after really so weird in what way okay their Vision they don't see the the octopus the one thing I was looking at is their ability to camouflage and I don't think a lot of people realize that's probably the most amazing thing about the octopus if you can find a video of octopus they can shape shift and change their color and shape instantly have you ever seen that no oh this is going to blow your mind yet we don't know how we with all of our technology we cannot replicate it and we don't know how they do it but they have chromatophores in their skin which is

118:23like pigment cells and they can change the color of their skin but because they have no bones they can also adjust the shape instantaneously to match whatever's around them like Coral yeah well they can whatever it is like multiple colors and they can match it identically yet they don't see color but they can match the color identically so they almost feel like like we don't know how this works but there is a running theory that they somehow see through their skin that we don't understand who it's you got to see these videos there's there's a bunch of videos of Just octopus camouflaging themselves they'll there's one clip that we use in the show where it like goes up to this rock and instantly morphs itself it's it's it's a it's a like liveaction cloaking mechanism crazy live that's a great way of describing this is this one um I'm going to have a tough

119:19time showing it to the audience cuz of YouTube might take it down but okay well let's just show it to us we'll show it so we won't put it on the well what what's the name of this so for people okay shapeshifting octopus okay so we'll get it we'll we'll look at it and people on YouTube Go Yourself also slow motion right now by the way so this is slow motion and it's oh my God whoa you even see that octopus whoa what the man how and people don't really know that they do that well describe describe what we're looking at for people that can't see this the octopus goes to a rock that has multiple textures on it I would say there's some kelp and some or some some kind of plant materials a a brown rock it changes its skin to match probably three you see three four colors in there well that's not even Ro the texture that that's a plant yeah it's a plant like so it

120:15became that algae exactly that's insan I need to see that again that is I had no idea they that they do it instantaneously too if there's like a there's some videos of it where it does it so it's so fast within a second it changes that's why they had to play it in slow motion so that right there we're looking at an octopus that is insane that's insane that is insane that is a goddamn alien and then he shoots disappears so he follows it and then it does it again boom cluns down so now now if you were looking down on it it's matching the the spots and everything to the ground that is insane that is insane so now it's a slow motion version of it I want to see the fast motion version of it again because it doesn't even make sense but the slow motion version is really cool too like right we're looking at this thing and I swear it has all the bumps of algae it looks

121:13like like the Predator like from the movie like when it becomes the octopus again mechanis we can't think about all the that's what I was talking about earlier as far as camouflage goes we put so much science into camouflage and this is this is the at all Beall of camouflage if we could figure that out as far as any application for it that's what we aspire to and yet with all of our technology I hopped in a plane and flew all this way while I was you know emailing someone across the country simultaneously yet we can't figure out how the octopus does that that is a I had no idea I had no no idea because I mean we're not exaggerating this folks if you're watching this or if you're listening you really have to watch this I've never seen this before isn't it crazy so we so one of the things like we brought this to light in the show is this is the fact that people should

122:02learn about the octopus and it's not like a thing it does every once in a while it does it constantly it's always doing that look at this one whoa and every species of octopus what the colors man it's crazy this is incredible the shapes it's amazing well they're so oh Jesus Christ they just turned into some stripe thing they'll also make themselves look like another like almost look like a predator so if something bigger is coming at them they'll boom Flash and make like an eye and crazy stuff to to protect themselves wow I almost feel bad eating them but they're my favorite Sushi yeah I really enjoy them it's it's okay they're they live very very short lives as well and their their brain capacity they advance so fast an octopus lives about 2 years that's it even these giant Pacific octopus maybe I get well like I just think they live I can't remember exactly three four years maybe tops

123:02that's it yeah and then but they they learn rapidly like they can figure out what the is that that's an octopus what the is that it's it looks like a bear with an algae suit on and it's running on two legs while looking like a stick while looking like some some piece of floating Coral or or some some plant matter that is insane I literally had no idea yeah that's the most that's probably one of the most amazing things I discovered while doing this show or just like did you have any idea before this I had not to this capacity and I'm I'm thinking to myself like how did I not know I feel like I know a decent amount about a lot of things some more there should be I wish I could find the I wish we had that episode going right now that's going to air here in a few weeks H well when it airs um text me like when that one's going to air and the next day we'll we'll play some clips

123:57from it if we can you guys won't pull us off YouTube right no no you can do whatever you want he pulls us off YouTube I I've L really had no idea look look at that man I thought they just became like the color I didn't know that they could assume the texture of algae and when we're talking about the texture of algae we're not exaggerating I mean it looks like leaves then it goes to sand look at that and then goes back look at the speed that it changes instantaneously oh my God instant and they're really smart too that's the other weird thing so we were we were in the this wasn't on the show so I don't mind talking about it because there was this one octopus and we had we were just kind of like messing with it and they grab you know their suckers are pretty strong and on you and we had this we would use these little pieces of fish and there was this thing like was like a

124:50wand where we could kind of lure it out well it had figured out the fish was sitting up on the top of the tank so it like distracted Us by grabbing the wand and as we're doing this arm reaches up grabs the whole dish and brings it in it's like screw you guys I'm not playing your game anymore it was so weird like smarter than I was well you've heard about the um the fish tank that was missing the guy was missing like some really expensive tropical fish and he had two fish tanks across from each other and they set up a camera and he watched the octopus climb out of one tank go across the floor climb up the other tank lift up the lid climb inside jack the fish eat it climb back out of the tank go across the floor again back into his tank yeah the the Denver Aquarium where we did this episode at uh had locks on the octopus tank top pad locks look at that man but it makes you

125:46wonder like what kind of life is out out there in the universe if this is on our own planet and that is an alien it's weird and I've I've heard that they can figure out the is that look at this dude if you saw that on the ground if something just popped up like that on the ground and looked like that you'd say oh this is obviously some sort of a poisonous monster I got to run away from this thing they'll change based on thinking predators are after them and that looks like a a poisonous Mor eel right there it's like white or I mean what black and white stripes and then the fact that it can go from black and white stripes to all tan looking like a piece of coral to green and looking like algae it's pretty what the look at that the the crabs like hey it's puffing its body up to look bigger yeah and it's it's calling well it's going to eat that crab that's

126:40what it's going to do the crab knows it too that's the up thing about it they'll Jack crabs and lobsters and and they just engulf them and then inside of them they have this beak yeah have you seen the um the evidence of the Kraken that they found the fossil evidence no pull that up Jamie they um recently discovered I think within the last five or six years they discovered these fossilized uh suction cups from an enormous octopus and they think that at one point in time the idea of the cracken um like that was like a a mythological creature that there was some enormous octopus that would take out boats and and kill people they think there really was something that was that big now well there's quite a few species of like even giant squid that we've never actually seen alive maybe now we have but well we've seen a few of them now but yeah but they're

127:33really recently too like within the last decade like look at that they think this is from a 100t long octopus it's a fossil imagine a 100ft octopus that's as smart as they are they would kind of tap one side of the boat as you go look over the on the other side yeah I'm sure it's crazy well they probably jacked people out of boats they probably really did if they found out they could eat people I mean look a person especially back then people were tiny yeah you know like the average Roman soldier I think was only like 5'2 or something like that or 5' three they were people were really little back then like Civil War in the Civil War the average man that was fighting the Civil War was 13 lb they were like tiny little people wow cuz nobody had any food cuz they had they hadn't figured out proper hunting they weren't Rec recreationally working out either there there was no you know

128:26weight gaining powder that you buy from GNC there's no one was doing squats and the these giant 100 foot octopus probably would Jack those people I mean it only makes sense they would just why would they they don't have morals you know the idea that well the humans are our friends no they'd flip that boat over you imagine just looking in the water and seeing a 100t octopus I mean a 100t octopus is many times bigger than the room we're in right yeah and they they change their size too they fill up I mean many times bigger than this room we're in man how how door to door here from here to here how big is this place I what would be 20t 20t maybe right most five times bigger than that a octopus it's crazy Jesus Jamie is that just its head or it's like I think it's whole body from tip to tip to head they found it Nevada too oh Jesus probably like the Berlin theasaurus area

129:28or something yeah probably if they found it in Nevada that means Nevada was probably underwater just like uh parts of Montana that they keep finding the great Bas Lake was largest lake in North America look at that man look at that ior how do you say that iosaur State Park in Nevada Maybe may be a part of the beak of an ancient giant spilop pod such as an octopus or a squid yeah wow I used to together uh look around as a kid you'd find see cool stuff yeah okay so this was 2013 that they found this so it's that's I was reading this thing about um it was on dig and you know dig is a great uh website like a portal to uh a bunch of other like really cool articles and it had one of them where they were saying we'll never find all the dinosaurs because nature of gathering fossils so that fossils they find apparently see if you can find that article cuz I don't want to misquote it

130:26but I think they were saying that they find two new species of dinosaur a month wow yeah yeah like what so I think the name of the article is will never find all the dinosaurs but uh I think that was one of the things that there were saying was there are so many dinosaurs we're finding but the nature of a fossil being discovered like or created rather like most when we die most likely we will not be fossils we'll just rot and then we'll get eaten by bacteria or whatever and rodents and whoever the eats our bones and that'll be the end of it like if you leave I mean I'm sure many times you've uh stumbled across some bones uh out in the woods that were some animal and you know what you're saying is just like what remains and if you came back in 10 years that'll be gone too yeah well think about a million years think about 10 million years now think about six 5 million

131:19years was the last time we had dinosaurs now think about 250 million years was another Extinction event so look at that finding so yeah see see if you find the um what what the number is because if you scroll down they were talking about it was one part of the article was um how often they find this is not the same article although it has the same um just I think it's the same uh you know that it might have been an aggregate thing where they they took it from one scientific study and made a bunch of uh articles about the uh with with the same title but they they don't know they don't they don't know how many dinosaurs they were they don't know what the they all looked like it's probably a shitload of them that everybody ate and they they can't find any fossils of them you know like the chickens of the dinosaur world like good luck finding them the bottom of the food chain well

132:11that's why it's amazing to me when they find something like that Hobbit person you know that thing that they found in the island of Florida is do you know about all that I heard about it it was 13,000 years ago was the mo the the closest uh one or the most recent one rather and it was a tiny little human type thing that was like 3 feet tall when it was fully grown and it was like humanoid and it would it was smaller brain than a human but but it yeah like a hobbit but it wasn't like uh like so they said NOP this is a totally different thing at first they were saying you know first I think the first first uh Discovery they were saying this is a new species but they were pretty cautious about it they were saying well it might be someone who has some sort of a weird disease then they found a bunch of them and then there was some speculation that they beli they're wiped

133:06out by people because they were cannibalizing people they were they were coming after people and people were coming after them and there like a war between Usry Hobbits yeah little Hobbits that eat people I don't know if they know that might be all horeshit though that might be just total speculation I would speculate too why not exactly but I mean exactly like what you're talking about with the the giant Kraken the Giant Octopus of course it would eat people everything would eat people we have this weird idea because we live in cities and like you know we think of hippos as being some with a tutu on and a bow in its hair well they don't want to eat us well of course they do they want to eat everything they can eat if they can eat you they definitely want to eat you they don't not want to eat you because you have a beard and you have an I you know the ones that could really

133:51inflict damage though for some reason don't like the one I'm most scared about killer whales yeah they're cool they are so smart if they decided to just all of a sudden gang up on humans we would be at such a loss we would never go in the ocean again yeah we'd be smart as long as Netflix stays out of the ocean and they don't watch Blackfish we're safe but as soon as they find out what happened at the end of that movie it's so yeah well it's so crazy that we still keep them in captivity because we've always kept them in captivity cuz if we didn't ever have them captive and we discovered them in the ocean these super intelligent creatures and we we found out about their capabilities we found out about their language the fact they have dialects the fact they live in these complex ordered societies they stay with the same pod for life they they have family like deep connect

134:45connections with these other orcas that they consider to their family and then we just steal them steal them and stick them in a fish communicate across the oceans through essentially whale internet wow yeah it's ni crazy and then we're we stick them in a tank and fat people eat cotton candy and stare at them yeah make it jump higher this is a ripoff like we're we're really shitty animals to to do that to whales and to killer whales it's really shitty yeah well there was a um a thing that uh I was listening to this Ted Talk where they were talking about uh sustainable organisms and um that a lot of the logic that we apply to uh hunting and trapping some organisms thinking that we're going to help the food chain out doesn't wind up helping and one of them was whales that the Japanese had made this idea they had this idea well if we uh hunt a certain amount of whales

135:42we'll have more fish and more Krill because the Japanese eat all these Krill or the whales rather eat all these Krill and if we hunt the whales it'll help the Krill and the fish population but apparently that's not the case because one of the reasons why there's so much krill is because of the whales because the whales will let loose these enormous shits they come up and just these giant clouds of whale and algae grows from that and then the Krill are attracted to the algae and the krill eat the algae and they they they that's what sustains them so when they started hunting the whales it actually lowered the population of krill and they they had to like put it all together that's a crazy cycle yeah we we never really know what we're messing with I feel we know so little and that's the thing one of the things I you know people might say that aren't into hunting well let's

136:35just leave it the way it was release all the wolves and then let nature take care of itself but that's it's an impossible idea it's an impossible thing because we've already affected the landscape so much yeah that nothing I mean especially with non-native species and invasive plants and habitat deforestation and so many other things that the fact the thought of just like letting nature run itself isn't even an option now and then you even look at it even further and go like human Hunters have been in the equation since all these animals have been here yeah when when has the elk existed when humans haven't hunted it I don't know answer to that cuz there isn't one well no one knows the answer you'd have to go past 10,000 years you'd have to go past the ice age right it's like well the Wolves were not the only Predators on North America since humans have been here no

137:31well there was Lions yeah you know there was are we going to bring back that we're going to find that lion or find some DNA from it and bring it back from Extinction that we don't even know why those things went extinct nobody bothered to write that down yeah oh we did that you know no nobody knows even there's still debate as to what happened to The Woolly Mammoth some people still think that it was humans there was some paper that was recently published that was saying that there was evidence that they were uh coming into uh estris younger and younger and that this was because of hunting pressure they believe it was because of hunting pressure could be pure specul other Predators as well could be there there was it was pure speculation I mean mixed with some evidence but there's also some evidence that they died in a giant Mass Extinction that people like Randall

138:19Carlson have connected to an asteroidal impact and it was also uh the same roughly the same time period as the end of the Ice Age so they think that asteroidal impacts slammed into the Earth and not not just even global warming but just massive asteroidal impacts all over the planet that there was some sort of a mass extinction event worldwide that coincided with the end of the Ice Age and the um the different eras of uh construction methods for uh things like the Old Kingdom in Egypt um giant archaeological digs like gockley Tey I'm having um Randall Carlson and this guy Graham Hancock on they're going to be on November 19th and uh Graham Hancock just wrote a book about it called The Magicians of the Gods and he had an old one that was uh super popular it sold like millions and millions of copies called Fingerprints of the Gods and then it's all basically asserting

139:20back then he was trying to put the pieces together and saying there there's evidence of Lost Civilization and the way he described it he said we are essentially a civilization with amnesia and that something happened somewhere along the line and there's all this evidence of these ancient structures that we were made by Advanced civilizations we really don't have any idea going in circles yeah and it makes sense that natural disasters did it that there's some sort and then between the time of of him publishing that book and uh Randall Carlson coming around and Randall Carlson's been dedicating his whole life to um researching asteroidal impacts and natural disasters that are caused by uh Global collisions you know things coming from the sky and slamming into the Earth but he's uh he's amassed a ma a giant database of factual evidence that uh you know from other

140:11sources so it's not like him finding this stuff but it's like they they discovered things like Triton which is I think I'm saying it right but it's a nuclear glass and uh all over Europe and Asia and when they do those core samples of the earth it cuts down around 12,000 years and that that nuclear glass happens when they do nuclear tests but it also happens when meteors impact the Earth so they found this all over the place at about 12,000 years and which means there was just a we were a shooting gallery 12,000 years ago it's crazy to think like we're so stable right now and then one meteor could ruin it and then we get need to get really good with those crossbows we got make our own bows yeah we got to make our own sticks and if you're living in a place like La you're going to have to start fighting off people there's not going to be enough food no well there's enough

141:04people I guess yeah we're going to have to start eating them eat the fat slow ones I think I'll stay in the mountains for that one yeah that's a goodidea like hey want to come down and do a podcast during the apocalypse like can I do it from my phone yeah well that's the other thing is that once the power goes out we're not going to have any access to hard drives we're not going to have any access to phones we're not going to have any access to the grid and if the Grid's out for more than a couple of years it's going to stay out yeah no one you don't know how to fix it I don't know how to fix it I have no clue how the things I use work if we killed off 70% of the population we would be right back to the Stone Age yeah because the idea that those 30% that we would be lucky enough to have people who are so Innovative and so educated that they would be able to

141:47figure out how to restart civilization no I'm still not sure that this phone isn't somewhat magic does anyone know how it works well it is Magic but so is that octopus you know and they're both made by Nature I mean the phone is natural it just doesn't seem natural because people made it but people are natural and people's curiosity is natural and the phone is just as natural as a Beaver Dam it really is it's just some weird thing that a natural creature is figured out out how to do when give it enough time and enough Source material enough enough sharing information with these other weird monkeys and one monkey figures out a diode and the other monkey figures out how to make glass and this monkey figures out how to forge metal and this monkey figures out how to write code and they all get together and next thing you know you got an iPhone yeah it's cool or

142:38you got an octopus you know or you got an iPhone you can watch an octopus on yeah I mean that's the other thing about the octopus is when all this is happen happened on Earth as far as um there was uh I want to say where it was I'm trying to remember when they've they've knocked it down to they believe that there was one point in time there was only a few thousand human beings left on Earth and it wasn't long ago it was like 70,000 years ago and they've coincided it with the um explosion of one of the world's great super volcanoes and that it put the earth into nuclear winter for a long period of time most most of the plants died most of the animals died a giant percentage of the population of human beings died and that's why there's so little biodiversity amongst human beings or genetic diversity amongst human beings I God I can't remember where the um

143:31Indonesia I want to say I might be wrong where the super volcano was that went off but um see if you can find that super volcano 70,000 years ago killed off giant percentage of the population so that's where like all these preppers are ready for the Yellow Stone super volcano is going to be well those guys are idiots cuz they go on TV and everybody knows they're in Pasadena they just going to go right to that guy's house cuz he's got canned peaches and bullets was it in Indonesia TOA in Indonesia yeah so that that super volcano that erupted 70,000 years ago basically almost killed us sa we we got down to a few thousand people and uh yeah I mean we've got real close a few times so 70,000 years ago I mean obviously people weren't that advanced but whatever they did know they got down to nothing you know you get down to 2,000 people if there's 2,000 of us yeah

144:21it's a giant episode of naked and afraid you're like oh remember back when I was your age we actually had things yeah I mean all the that we have right now that we think of as cool like televisions and and all I have this I have the most Theory when it comes to all this stuff I think that what we're essentially doing is preparing to give birth to an artificial life that's what I think I think that we're essentially like a technological cocoon and then we're going to become some sort of an electronic artificially created butterfly that's what I think I think that's one of the reasons why we have this these inclinations towards materialism because materialism feeds this desire to constantly innovate and continue to come up with newer better like we were talking about with bows like cam ha's new bow he doesn't need a bow killed two grizzly bears his Bow's perfect his Bow's

145:14perfect but Hoy has to come up with a new every year so they will make a bow that's even better than that bow and it'll come out next year or this year um but this desire to constantly innovate and look for the biggest bestest newest Greatest Latest thing is what causes Innovation and that Innovation will ultimately lead to artificial life I just think it's inevitable I think if you extrapolate look at where everything's going there's no way around it and while that's going on I'll still be in the mountains yeah you'll be you'll be out there with a like oh there's robots that do stuff well I'm still out here meanwhile I mean what's more fun you know is it more fun to play video games or elcon well I've done both and I'll tell you right now ELC coning is way cooler I think so and when it's over first of all it's way cooler than a video game and it's real

146:03and when it's over you get to eat yeah it's good it's a good deal dude when when I shot that elk that's out there in the lobby and um it was walking up the hill and I'm hiding behind a tree at full draw for like 30 seconds it's the hill and I know that it's going it's going to beIN yard of me it's going to be right there and it's stomping and it's a thous lbs and it's screaming like there's nothing like that there's nothing like that it's exciting especially that clo it's like oh and they you feel like they're just going to see like they just look right through you oh yeah well they're just so big yeah they're so bige s were you sitting on the ground we were standing I was standing I was right we were there's just uh two trees together and uh there was like a little gap between them where you could see the elk coming up the hill and we're like looking at him coming and

146:55he was coming in hot coming in hot pissing all over himself and and just there was there was a um it was we got real lucky like we went out we're at this place called tone Ranch and uh when we went out on this Trail we got to this place where these elk were fighting and they had just a couple males had got together and they were like you no fu you crash and which was like some Jurassic Park cuz if even if you have no desire to hunt folks I just encourage you around September find somewhere whether it's Colorado or Utah or California anywhere where there's elk R and just have someone take you out near them and just listen crazy so cool they make the coolest sounds they get a I mean they're very vocal very aggressive yeah it's cool well the the sounds that they make if you you've never heard him before I I yeah dude that's pretty good I recorded them I got a hold on a second let me see

147:55if I can find it here I've got a video where I recorded it see if I could get some of them where you can hear it the cows are cool I mean the cows even make a weird high-pitched yeah you know yeah that's weird too like they're communicating with each other it's a very it's a very strange animal man here I go play this that's that's a call yeah that's my friend Brian who's making the noise and he's trying to pull them closer to us but you hear them off in the distance they they start screaming that's it but that thing you hear in the background that's elk screaming at each other yeah bugling yeah that the loud one's fake this one's real eh I don't know where my best one is but they make some weird those Red Deer which are fairly related Tok very similar but they Roar instead of bugle yeah they sound like lions yeah they sound like lions they look like something out of Dr

149:15Seuss too yeah they don't look like Stags don't look real no they don't yeah especially like uh Caribou don't look real either yeah their their antlers are way too big for their head they look stupid yeah I took my dad Caribou hunting this year that was really fun but and he shot a big caribou and it's like the horn the antlers themselves that's the hardest part to carry out cuz it's just cumbersome it's awkward awesome trees growing out of an animal's head well between them and moose and Elk it's like how did this happen they evolved uniformly to have these like super similar bizarre tree likee growth growing out of their head that they only use when they're yeah and they done they lose them just gone and then they grow them back well we found uh Brian my uh friend from toone Ranch found a dead elk that got stabbed by another elk oh they were duking it

150:07out and one of them just ran the other one through with his antlers and killed him and he was a big elk too like a big 6x6 huge thlb dead elk with holes in his body from yeah that'll happen I've seen like well at least Red Deer but when they fight and then the third one when they get in a fight with three and the one just kind of side punches them while they're fighting and sucker punches them yeah it's always that yeah not he's not even involved in the fight he's not even he wasn't even in the running it's just so crazy that this has been going on like this for thousands of years that's how they do it they grow trees out of their head They smash into each other and the girls like all right you can me I like I like the way you tree fight but the elk are probably looking at us going like look they're in dudes are into belly shirts now they're like that's so weird oh he's

150:57got the best metal box that he drives around in and he gets to yeah yeah this all it's all nature itself I mean the octopus I mean it's is way weirder than anything you'll ever see in the in the world of the ground you know the the land world that's that's more bizarre than anything I think I've ever seen in my life the oceans really are are largest Wilderness I mean it's huge I think there's a lot we don't know about it there's some crazy stuff I think most of the stuff you if it wasn't that's the thing that I think about like the Kraken it's this legend or Lochness Monster Bigfoot or whatever and then once we identify it oh it's it's just an octopus you know what I mean if if we didn't know octopus existed and we're like there's this animal in the ocean that shape shifts and changes colors and inks and can look like other animals is really smart and we give it some crazy

151:45name you know you know and then and then we find it and it's just normal once we identify it and it's a real thing it becomes boring nor it's an octopus what is that what is that we have a weird desire to only chase the unknown I don't know that's a strange thing when it comes to Nature like the the discovery of new species is it's a precedent above all like they've found a new frog but at the end of the day it's just a frog frog even if it does the most amazing thing we've never say the Frog did the same thing the octopus does changes its shape color and everything after about a week you're like oh it's a frog that changes color cool what's next oh there's probably a monkey man out there yeah if we found Bigfoot that's what it would be we actually found Bigfoot it would be pretty cool but we would just open a Bigfoot world right next to Sea World and that would be you

152:33know be over it yeah You' be like oh well it's just a just a hairy monkey and then we find out he's stupid yeah he's not even as cool as as orcas he doesn't even like Jack Link's beef jerky yeah and and he hates John liow he sees John Lithgow he starts screaming Harry and the Henderson is yeah that is the one disappointing thing about my friend Les drout is that he's still looking for bigfoot doing that Survivor Man Bigfoot show I don't know man he believes in it man well I love that guy but the guy he goes with though I think is a total artist I got I got approached by a dude in I was at some show somewhere doing like a trade show type thing guys like talking to me like all serious about how he goes and he he had a business card too which makes it real legit he's like I'm a squash Hunter and he's talking about the family groups and he knows their intricacies and he

153:31could show me and he wants me to come out there and film it for solo hun and I was like he trying to you yeah I was like dude one who's crazyer you that you either want you either believe this or you're just a straightup liar in which case that would make me an idiot yeah forever going out there well there's a lot of crazy people out there for sure but it's the romantic thing about Bigfoot it's just so romantic to people I had this guy tell me that it was a government conspiracy to hide Bigfoot because of the logging industry he goes think about it think about it they shut down the logging industry for a spotted owl what do you think they would do if we found a giant monkey think about it I just did it makes no sense well Rell was talking about on his podcast recently he's like where's the scat where's the where's the where's the droppings like Bigfoot would

154:28drop giant logs you'd find it my thought is if I I'm out in some wild places a lot if I ever saw a Bigfoot like I don't even know if I would care that much to tell any i' would be like oh okay that was cool you would care no because You' just be the crazy guy do you want do you want to be that guy I don't I'm like okay well it's there whatever I guess who cares yeah you might want to just keep it to yourself but even if you told your friends like Remy's losing it I think he fell on his head I think what we think is he probably like fell on his head while he's maybe a coconut maybe got jacked by a coconut while he's out elk hunting I like my favorite is the people they they're just like walking they I I thought I saw something over there but and then it wasn't there so it was a big foot that's my favorite I tell these people I was alone once and I I thought I saw a wolf oh yeah for like

155:18two seconds it was a squirrel yeah it was a squirrel I thought it was a wolf people driving down the roads when you see like a house cat in an open field it looks like a black panther you know that happens all the time all the time lack of perspective in the distance it looks huge yeah I was talking to the guy when we did the bear episode The biologist was like yeah to be honest we don't most of my work is just people calling saying they see Panthers and Mountain lines that just turned out to be house cats he like that's the majority of my work Felding well they've done that in England where they've spotted Panthers in England and they're trying to figure out what it is and most people think that it was actually just cats house cats you know you get a big fat house cat and it's dark out and you're in your pants cuz you're alone everything looks bigger spooky like I really did think this

156:06squirrel was a wolf for like a whole a second or two because I it was eating out of your bird feeder no we're in Alber I to put this drink down I got to stop it with the math we we were uh in Alberta and um we knew that there was wolves in the area there's there's a lot of wolves in the area in fact they started uh they they hunt them quite a bit up there now um because they're they're having a lot of problems with them because they can't figure out what the real numbers are their Grizzly problems are even bigger in Alberta because the they they don't have a season on Grizzlies and Grizzlies aren't scared of people at all right because there's no season on them they're not they just don't give a they just come towards people and and they they believe it's going to take like a couple tragedies before they open up a season on them but you've been to Alberta I'm

156:52sure actually haven't you haven't I want to well it's like any super dense Wilderness where good luck trying to count what the in there you have no clue how do you I don't even know how they do it they do hair traps catch hairs and do DNA samples but before that yeah it's weird even if they do that I mean how can they have enough traps that you're looking at I have some video of us driving to uh one of the locations we went to and it's insane like we were coming over this Crest and everywhere to the left and everywhere to the right it's just dense forest with no people anywhere there and a shitload of bears and a shitload of moose and a shitload of elk and they just don't know they just don't know no CL the only way they know is by hunters with camera traps and The Catch 22 is the hunters don't want to report the Grizzlies because if they report the Grizzlies

157:43then they shut down the black bear hunting because right now Grizzlies are endangered right or I should say protected they're not endangered they they see them every day they're see they're literally they're shutting down they have uh the um like a lot of people don't like the idea of baiting they don't like the idea of leaving out food and ryell explained like his own distaste for it the last time he was here I totally get it but if you want to hunt bears in Alberta you have two choices you either can't hunt them in the spring cuz you'll never find them or you hunt them in the fall when they're eating berries on Hills you can find them there you can spot and stalk and shoot them there but if you want to shoot them other than that you have to bait and so they bait and they set up these bait stations they get these Bears accustomed to coming into these one

158:29areas to get food well they're shutting them down all the time cuz Grizzlies come in and my friend John rivet who who's up there says dude you don't even want to see them when they come in he goes because you're looking at black bears and black bears you know big ones like 500 lb and then all a sudden this bus comes in through the woods and they come in totally different they're not quiet they're not trying to sneak around own the place snapping twigs and coming in like a school bus and he goes and then when you see them you're like what the they're just so big just a big monster brown bear that just scares everything away and you got to shut the bait down and get out of there so they they shut the baits down and then some of them they'll take carcasses from the black bears you know after they take the meat off of it they take what's left and they'll throw them

159:19in the areas where the Grizzlies are just to try to maintain them in that area try to habituate them to that one area but even that good luck he's like there's a lot of them they really don't know they don't know how many so there was a study recently that came out that I tweeted that was showing how many there's way more Grizzlies up there than they thought ever yeah that's the Grizzlies are one of those things where they're kind of their overall range has diminished but the places they are they're over I would maybe not go as far as overpopulating but they're getting there yeah yeah they're pretty Brazen like I've got I know a lot of people that used to hunt certain areas and they say the Grizzlies have gotten so bad that they just don't hunt them anymore and a lot of that I just take with a grain of salt because I think some people just get overly spooked about

160:06things like that um but these are people that I trust and believe that they know what they're doing there well there's also that weird um thing that happened when Grizzlies get used to being around people and when people are shooting elk or deer and they hear a gunshot and they think it's a dinil and they come running towards where the gunshot was cuz they know there's going to be a gut pile that gets spooky cuz bears are really habitual like that's why they have to they have to capture them or kill them when they catch them eating people's garbage cuz once they find garbage like that's their spot just going to keep coming back I was doing this uh this film Project thing in Alaska and I tracked down this guy that killed a Kodiak bear with a knife buck knife what yeah it was crazy story old older guy too his name was Jean Mo there's been a ton of Articles written about it in like

160:57outdoor life and this was back wasn't that long ago but I can't remember did he put the knife in a musket and shoot it no I mean you hear like these bear stories and that's like I'm tracking down some of these bear this bear story and so he's on Kodiak Island Kodiak brown bears are the biggest bears in the world but they don't there's not that many attacks surprisingly for the size of the bear and the many there are but there's probably Al there's also not Kodiak Island isn't like Yellowstone Park I mean you don't have that many people there really so he's skinning out a deer turns around the bear is just on him all he has is the knife so he's like trying to fight it off stabbing the thing and the bear like tear tore a piece out of his arm out of his leg picks him up just shaking him around then the bear goes off and at one point he just like thought he was done he's

161:47like yelling at the bear bear comes back mauls him another time he's stabbing it fighting it off and then I guess he he stabbed it enough times he kept like trying to feed it his arm while just like he said he was out of strength I think The Bear Went off started like laid down was bleeding out he might have crawled to his rifle at that point I think he I can't remember if the bear was dead or not but he shot it after the bear was just like laying there and then hikes you know 3 four miles back to to the beach oh and he's like I can't remember how old he was he had 60 somewhere yeah I remember this story now yeah he in his 60s yeah he was uh and then he says so then his son they meet his son they take him to this there's one cabin there where there's year round residence and uh it was actually on I think raspberry Island there and they bring him into this cabin there's this

162:37uh German couple that lives there and like he said they they brought him in the cabin and for some reason I cannot remember exactly why but the dude that owned the cabin ended up taking a chainsaw and cutting out the wall so The Rescuers could come in and get a stretcher and like stabilize them cuz he just dying on the table and they take him to Kodiak hospital do all the surgeries skin graphs everything saved his life ended up get keeping like he ended up buying the bear back at an auction and uh they made like a rug thing so I got give him the bear no because well in Alaska if you kill a bear without the proper tag it's your responsibility to skin it out and like bring it in so so his son went back while he's in the hospital cuz you have to do it so his son went back skinned the bear out turned it over to the Alaska Department um and then every then they like auction that stuff off or

163:28whatever that's rude yeah but he ended up with the bear and so it was kind of cool to see like you saw the bear and you saw the buck knife and there's still like the Bear's hair in the buck knife oh he didn't clean it no he's got it right next to it on the wall it it was a cool experience it was a cool it was a it was a cool experience hearing the story firsthand wow it it was a pretty intense story as he was telling it yeah I can only imagine it was cool that's crazy it wouldn't cool if he didn't shoot it just buck knifed it yeah that's what I think uh but I mean he did fend it off with the knife yeah I guess well it's amazing that it didn't get his head you know yeah he must have been really smart with his arms and his legs too kicking in oh Christ God this there just just so there when when you see the head like uh I've only seen uh grizzly bear head a few times but when

164:19you uh I've never seen one of them in the in the wild except for when I was a kid once I saw one in Yellowstone but they would come up to people's car uh doors back then people would feed them at Yellowstone from cars they used to like yeah remember that yeah there's a sandwich they would feed them they would like allow that for some strange reason but uh I've seen skulls before and when you see a skull and it's this wide you know when you think about that and it's the the the mass of the thing when you're just a giant eating machine an enormous crushing eating machine oh yeah the thing that I always remember when I think about uh grizzly bear say there's this video of a bear chasing a moose and uh chases the Moose down tackles it and uh just starts eating it gut first and this moose is trying to get away and this grizzly is just eating its guts just decides just hold it down and start

165:18eating you know they doesn't even bother killing it it's like I got you yeah you're mind well the grizzly doesn't the grizzly is not sad for it he's like he's stoked you know he's he's pumped he is pumped but it's just the brutality of what he's doing you know to holding this thing down you've seen that video where the uh the the grizzly uh is killing a deer in this guy's yard and the deer screaming I want can you play it yeah pull pull it up Jamie um deer in backyard uh and his brown brown bears got him and screaming just this bear is on its back and just mauling it in this guy's yard and the guy's looking out the back window like oh the bear is thinking why'd you put a yard here exactly don't matter me dude this is it right here look at that wow that's intense yeah and the bear for people that are just listening to this the bear is on top of it just jacking its back and its

166:25neck and it's screaming the kids are standing right there somebody's standing right there oh my God me de yeah it's a pretty big deer too yeah and not a big bear no it might even be a color phase right yeah it is it's a it's a black bear then it's a black bear yeah black bear not all black bears are black yeah color phase black bear yeah for people listening they can get like blonde even blonde red oh my God is that bear attacking that chick oh is that that's a dummy that was in the zoo that's a lady that climbed over the fence the polar bears are our friends don't make me watch this shut this off I can't I just can't I can't have you ever been in a situation where you you felt like vulnerable to uh animals no no I haven't I mean no I I've seen animals be semi-aggressive but no nothing that's uh real serious have you been in areas that have large wolf populations I have yeah like

167:34reintroduced Wolves yeah reintroduced wolves have you noticed the difference between when they were before how they are now yeah well now things are changing because there's season for them and everything like they're managed now in some places right not in Wyoming right Wyoming still doesn't have a Seas I believe do they maybe it's not anymore what they did for a while um I don't know they keep changing it back and forth but uh yeah I mean there's definitely in one of the areas that I grew up hunting and guiding and all that stuff yeah the W the wolf population exploded in there but also the elk population exploded after a fire because there's a huge dynamic between force fires and elk because this new growth yeah New Growth they need that new growth so one of the things like one of the things that really hinders and that's the thing that comes back to like

168:23humans regulating too much is we stop we like do fire prevention and try to prevent forest fires when huge forest fires increase populations so there's a huge EB and flow and when we hinder that and try not to have fires then animal populations decline actually so that's a huge thing too but that's a whole another topic it is well it's the eom managing of some incredibly complex systems that we don't totally understand like forest fires or like Predators like we've tried to you know keep Predators away from certain types of prey to allow these animals to survive and the we the weird thing about it is when you really look at the overall population of animals on this planet the animals that have ever existed 90 something percent of everything that's ever existed is extinct yeah and it it probably will continue to be that way I would imagine unless we keep it certain

169:17animals are just going there's some animals that will probably just go extinct and yeah maybe maybe humans had a huge part to do with it and maybe others we you know I don't know if we did maybe they would have gone extinct anyways I feel like the Rhino is probably on the brink now it's pretty close yeah there's yeah it's sad it's too bad it's such a cool animal and they're so prehistoric apparently they move incredibly fast yeah like this it's such a wild animal when you look at it like that might as well be a Stegosaurus like what is the difference between that you know and a Triceratops not much not much blood I mean some some different variations in the horns the tri yeah Triceratops is a cold blooded animal right but were some of the dinosaurs I want to say a few of them were warm-blooded like some of the beings enormous creatures that lived during

170:06that time were warm-blooded they there I think that's a a more recent debate yeah but the on the Wolves yeah they're they've definitely in reintroduced areas affected populations and then but the wolf populations then explode like elk populations explode wolf population explodes elk population drops wolf population remains large you would you would almost think well over time the Wolves would start to die off but they can also just become more nomadic kill off an area and then just move on yeah you know they're smart too yeah when you did that Wolf episode that was really cool cuz you know the the when you mimic the tactics that they use of uh of chasing animals into like traps yep they set traps for Elk yeah they would well a wolf hunts Animals by chasing so if an elk stands its ground the Wolves generally won't go in and kill it because they stand a risk

171:12of of being injured so they incite it to run and as they get it on the run then they can get it from the back end slow it down and kill it and that's that's how they hunt and yeah so that was in that episode me and my brother tried to do the same thing run the elk catch up and cut them off and and Hunt Like the Wolf I mean they have a lot of well they've got a lot better stamina than us and they're just they're just far superior at doing it but humans are pretty good at doing it as well which is pretty impressive well that's a big thing in Africa right they've been do that persistent and the other thing about elk is how quick they can move up the side of a mountain yeah but they tire out fast do they yeah if you chase the you'll see their tongues are hanging out they're big large animal like even you think of a horse and if you if you push a horse up a mountain like you can

172:03walk up a mountain faster than a horse over a long period of time really yeah especially in the heat they just start to overheat whereas we sweat we carry water and they're just like I would have never imagine that because when I see people packing out with horses I like well that's cuz the horses don't get tired no they do get tired and they I mean they sweat still the sweat but um they uh yeah they well a horse can carry a lot more weight than us and it's not on your back like the horse isn't complaining the next day exactly he's like yeah this is fun I like this I'm tired man I just don't know how to say cut the yeah he's like he just tries next time you go to round him up to pack he's like he's a little hard to get into the Corral oh do they do they get sore too they must right oh yeah they get sore and they sweat and you just don't push them either right like you take it slow

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