Daniele Bolelli

00:00and boom Daniel bolle my friend here we go dude uh I love I am loving rather I should say your new podcast history on fire and it's just uh wonderful to hear your sultry Italian accent uh waxing poetically on the path that's Cu uh I just never UND learned to speak English right so but you do speak it's very confusing to me because you do speak perfect English you understand it you're very articulate your choice of words is excellent but it comes out in this way like how come I can do that but you can't do that can you try to talk like me you know I I if you can believe it I think I do half of the time I'm like what do you think what accent I'm talking in perfect English what are you talking about I have a horrible year for X I just don't hear it and then you don't hear it you know when I hear my recording then I go back I'm like Jesus Christ I really speak like

00:55that oh no way but you know when I'm talking right now you're my own like no perfect there's no accent that is one of the great things about doing a podcast is that it forces you to listen to yourself yeah and you can learn a lot about how you sound yep you know you really can you learn a lot about little things you do like like the word like that's that's one thing people say like way too often that's a real problem that word like like I've tried to shorten it or to eliminate it but it creeps it way in like you know man like it's like this guy like it some people and the problem is if I fixate on it if I fixate on someone saying it like then it breaks me then I I had the same thing I was talking with some guy who was really smart really brilliant and kept saying you know every four words right and after a while I could not follow conversation he was making great

01:51points too so I was missing out because every othery was like you know it's like go away it's a tech it's a it's a a speech pattern it's basically a version of uh uhhuh or uh y that I've always said that's what people do with the word sometimes it's a it's a a use of the word this guy with this thing with the yeah it'ser right it's a filler yeah that's why I'm super impressed with people like Sam Harris that talk with no filler they just just that on from I don't my brain doesn't work like that I'm always scrambling for certain words or trying to I wonder if I was my vocabulary was better maybe I would be less likely to use fillers but I don't know I think is like during conversation sometime you need that micral break to just see okay where do I want to go with next you know but you don't want to leave an awkward pose so you're like throwing something

02:48out there just go okay this is where I want to go next yeah and you also don't want someone to like jump in thinking you want them to talk and like you're in the middle of trying to form the sentence and if they do jump in then you'll totally lose it so you want to um just to let them know um still working on is uh instead of just going but yeah exactly and that everybody Italy is painful the way because you know normally you give a two seconds pause to between somebody starting and somebody beginning the next conversation it there's no pause everybody's just there waiting for you to not stop but slow down so that they can jump in people take a deep breath kind of like it's like Jesus man it's like it's a full contact sport talking to somebody it's just it's your language is so uh it's so poetic it's a flowing yeah yeah beautiful language fact it's great for

03:48you know English language is awesome if you want to rule an Empire right it's like you tell people do this get stuff done you know it's very to the point it's quick it's to the point it's great Italian is great for flower oh sweetheart look at the beautiful Moon out there kind of thing where you just waste You' said 10,000 words to really say something that could have been saying five but you know it's the vibe that you create that yeah there's a lot of but it's flowing yeah it's like wine and poetry it's like it's got this sort of whereas American is just like hey what's up face it's wayar when I was starting to write in English it was so damn hard for me because I was so used to this long flowy sentence that's like there was this rthm right very Musical and you know any sentence that I would write like that in English I lose half of the readers within three seconds

04:46cuz they're like too many words get to the point you know what are you trying to say and so I was like and I thought ah English sucks there's no poetry to in reality there is you know there are ways to express yourself beautifully but it's different you need to tone down the length of the sentences cut it a little shorter then there are ways to do it still in a beautiful way but it's completely different what about the attention spans of people in Italy versus the people in America because the the Italian attention span seems to be much longer there is some of that I don't know if it's still through uh I don't know if it's a generational thing or not cuz you know I've been I got there back on vacation so I don't have the pulse of the situation anymore the way used to um it may be a generational thing it was that way certainly when I was growing up there was clearly more

05:33attention spent but then again that was before uh all the 3,000 things that we used to distract oursel all the time where like somebody's talking to you but I'm like ah let me send this email well yeah yeah that's great good point but you're doing something else at the same time well correct me if I'm wrong but like a classical Italian meal like in a in a restaurant like you would sit there for hours oh yeah yeah yeah it's not like America where you're in and out in 40 minutes no definitely yeah there's much more of this low pace and tri me out the other day um auy Marcos gave me a call and within about a minute I was thinking and I I love obri and but the vibe for me was like okay great you know hi hi what's up now what do you want right and then I realized that he wasn't calling cuz he wanted anything he just wanted to say what's up and chat and I was like I forgot what it's like to be

06:25that way it's nice I like it you know that's a good feeling where you just we are just talking because we like to talk to each other it's not like hey I need something or you know yeah I'm so used to that conversation now that everything is for a reason it's like uh we're trying to get stuff done and uh it was so refreshing I was feeling this is beautiful I love it I miss it it's that's how it should be it's nice if you can catch someone that's on the same Vibe but when you're like hey man everything good what's going on yeah yeah I'm uh just getting some done what's going what's up what's up nothing just called to say hello like okay well hi bye see you later click got to go I'm running an Empire running the Empire of Mike yeah and I mean we do we do have I don't know how I got that way but we do have intense busy lives so sometime that organic relax let's hang out let's let

07:19things transpire and play half of the time it's like okay it's noon at 1 I need to be out of here this is my fun time so it's 12:15 I'm not having fun yet make it fun right now cuz I need it's like you can do that you know you need to I was listening to this Ted Talk on the nature of happiness and I I forget the the gentleman who was doing the speaking but he was um he uh was he had developed an app and in the app uh it would like hit you with reminders and ask you questions like what are you doing right now are you enjoying what you're doing right now is this what you want to do and like things along those lines and then they would gather data and well so they they added all their data from all the people that use the app and one of the things they found was one of the least conducive things to happiness one of the one of the indicators of people are not happy is when your mind is

08:11wandering like you're just sitting around thinking of nothing just sitting doing nothing and in those moments for whatever reason people just don't feel good right they their mind will wander to the negative things M but when you're in the moment and you're occupied in something whether you're creating something or whether you're writing something whatever you're doing like those are the moments where people feel fulfilled and happy no definitely and there's something to be said for meditation in that regard of learning to be in the moment when cuz you know a lot of the times we can be in the moment when we're doing something but to be in the moment when you're not doing something just like let me take a deep breath let's be here let's look around that's not as easy to do as one would think yeah that's why like a class whether it's a martial arts class class

08:59or a yoga class is really good for people because someone's telling you what to do like okay now we're going to work on arm bars from the mount you know like get to the Mount okay shift your hips to the left grab the arm pin it down and in going through those steps you're forced to concentrate on that thing and because it's so intense you're forced to be in that moment and that for a lot of people is a real not just the physical relief of exercise which is fantastic for the mind but the relief of focus and concent alleviates a lot of the that is like that builds up when the m is wandering you know time I notice when I do get to I I finally had a chance to start rolling again the last month or two it felt so good I was just like oh my God I forgot not only physically as you say how good it feels but in that moment you know if your mind wanders too much the guy's choking you

09:53the guys aring you you can't wonderand you have to be totally present in what you're doing in it it's just such a mental break that I thought I had all these issues when I walk into class and I walk out I'm like huh those problems you call those problems that's a joke come on no big deal cuz suddenly you have lightened up you got rid of this heavy load that you're carrying and there's nothing like it you know something that puts you in the moment but also your body puts your body your mind everything the gift of perspective yep yeah and some people get it from running you know I know I know some people they just love or like running Hills especially you know because it's just so difficult and then when when you reach the top of that Hill you have a milestone you know like you hit that Milestone you get to that hill and just whatever it is that effort of doing that

10:42which is very intense very difficult just and when it's over just everything else seems like relaxed big time even weights yeah weights feel awesome sure anything anything just do something that you have to concentrate on you know like if you're lifting something heavy like if you're trying to bench press or squat or something like that like while you're doing that that is what you're concentrating on is that amazing though that that's what the Mind needs sometimes just one primary singular thing to focus on and to focus on it intensely and it's almost cleansing in a way forces the pipes free yeah it's kind of like when you having sex for too long and then you do it and suddenly everything in your brain switches it's like all this that I thought had on me all this tension all this stuff that I thought were real problems you just haven't had sex for too many days in a

11:35oh haven't had sex for a long time I thought you were saying you've had sex for too long I was like man what kind of doing there is no such a thing he's doing some sessions some session work Marathon yeah that could people up man I mean I I I to this day think that that is especially for men the prim primary reason why a lot of men exhibit like really pathetic Behavior because they are trying so hard to get women to like them and nothing is working and so they have fallen into this trap of becoming this like Sheil thing this this like super feminist sort of always identifying with women's issues and trying to get women on your side and it doesn't work no like um Dave Rubin a guy was on the podcast the other day he uh by the way great guy and great podcast had a great time with him but he tweeted something the other day and it was a billboard that some poor fool had

12:37put up and it said dear women on behalf of all men I'm sorry oh Jesus right and that the PS today would be I'm really trying to get laid really trying please can you help me with that hard just someone touch my deck yeah please that would have been more honest you just put that on the billboard it's like with the number at the end he's like oh poor guy I get it you know yeah I mean it's like not that there's anything wrong with siding with women if you agree that they've been over or looking out for them out for them or you know sympathizing or empathizing that's not the point it's just the the behavior it's it's also an anti- masculine Behavior an anti-male Behavior maybe it's because they identify they they identify those those characteristics with bullies or with people that were mean to them or people that you know caused them pain or frustration but it's

13:34it's also like this it's traitorous you know what I mean it's like you're a gender traitor like in some ways and to me there's that dichotomy there where you either have the tough strong Macho who also kind of doesn't care about anybody's feelings and this but you're strong that's the good side or you have the sweet mellow sensitive but if you say Buddha you go hide in a corner and he's like both models suck neither one is a desirable way to be you know and the problem is that in trying to get rid of the male side people have also gotten rid of the good stuff about being a man about the strength the determination the stereotypical masculine quality and it's like that's not what we are trying to get rid of that's the good stuff you want to keep that you want to get rid of you know the 1700s gender role I'm the man I'll slap you around go back in the

14:26kitchen kind of think yeah I can see how that would be less than ideal but getting rid of that doesn't mean getting rid of the good stuff at all exactly the that ter if you heard the term T toxic masculinity that's an adorable term that like social justice Warriors or throw around toxic masculinity the the real problem with men adopting this idea is that they ignore the negative things that women have done because it's not about women it's not about men it's about nice people that's really what it is I mean there's feminine qualities that are beautiful and there's male masculine qualities that are beautiful and there's there's there's people on both sides that are out of their mind and bad crazy and to side with women on every occasion just because you're a man you're saying I'm sorry for all men before me and uh my apologies like that's weak you know what you're

15:18doing you need to run Hills okay you need to go to class you take a yoga class do something but and get laid get laid get someone to touch you and it's funny cuz when you don't come from a place of need mhm suddenly women like you 10 times as much as before there was a period where I did not I I wasn't running anymore on the typical script that I've had for most of my life where was like hot woman I want your attention look at me I'm great I'm I want something from you yeah there was a period where things happen in a way where I didn't care I was just like if we Ang out I Ang out cuz I'm happy to but I don't want yeah you're a beautiful woman that's great but I don't want anything from you and of course the second that my brain switched away suddenly we I'm like 10 times more than before and he was like look at how that works that's isn't it it's but there's something

16:07about being comfortable in your own skin and just now constantly acting because you're trying to impress somebody or you want somebody to whether it's sex whether is attention whether whatever that may be because you want something from them it's like this is who I am you dig it you dig it you don't you don't I'm still comfortable with who I am that makes such a difference people relate to you I think also that regardless of the words that you choose and the way that you say them and the the sentences that you structure I think people can feel intent and they can there's something about it there's an intangible quality to a needy person that even if they do say the right things and do it in the right order you know some women or some men are like not this not this dude this ainm that's why you can read all the books in the world about the stuff you should say

17:01but that's barely half of the game you know there's uh it's who you are is not what you say what the image you put even because it's painful you have to constantly keep up this image that's not really you and you have to say all the right thing it's like life is too short for that have you ever paid attention at all to pickup artists and and pickup artist game you they like they'll they'll Jud it's hilarious I've I've seen some videos online where they're actually critiquing people's approaches and strategies for getting women to talk to them there's like videos on it where a guy will have a hidden camera and he'll talk to a girl and like then the guys in the comments will be like interesting like opening great game I like how he's doing this like they have like like moves like it's talking about like Jiu-Jitsu or something or chess the way you lean to

17:47the right a little talking to her that it's like too much but it's not real that's what's what's crazy about it I mean I guess it will work on like some really dumb girls well that's how like girls will find out like deep into a relationship like months later that the guy's like heavily in debt and wanted by the FBI and you know beats his mom like you don't find don't find that out until because the guy tricked you with all this this strategy and if you can't read that then you're you're not going to know that something's going on but that to me is if you have a really bad radar and you can't get vibes out of people then you're dependent on what they say some people have bad radar but what they say is a smoke screen you know what they say maybe real maybe not it's people put on a show all the time to me like really you didn't feel sitting next to the guy for 35 seconds

18:35that the guy is a freak or that woman is evil or that it's like man you feel it it's not what they say it's but it's hard it's hard to have sovereignty it's hard to have personal sovereignty it's hard to be at a place where you don't need anybody or you're not needy or when you're around a beautiful girl where you don't give a that's hard man it's hard most men I would say like 99% of men when they're around a really beautiful girl they just they just Panic they start even if there's no chance that girl is going to you your your behavior Alters it gets weird my solution to that it's illegal in 49 and a half state but I think that going to 49 and a half cuz it's legal in rural counties in Nevada but going to insanely hot hookers calm people down for a man standpoint would be like okay if I want to get laid with an insanely hot woman I can put down the money go you nice to

19:29them they're nice to you done so if you do that then in the back of your brain it's not like every time you see a hot woman it's like I want this it's like I can get this any other time in another way if you don't have game and you can get laid in other ways at least you go to the nice friendly hooker you get laid with hot women then hot women don't immediately trigger I need something from you it's like you're another hot woman I was having sex with a hot woman yesterday so what you know it doesn't have that same pressure to it so that might I have vague feeling that I'm not going to get a TV program and a do field recommend it just go to whoers it will make your life better but that's my take well I'll tell you right now that is the wrong approach it ain't about the woman being hot it's about love sir sir C by right ball just drop by my ankle your balls will they'll rot if you

20:22hear that long enough they get angry and they fall right off yeah I think that the idea of going to a Booker in America is a disgusting idea like that's how we look at it and as our C our culture you know our culture looks at prostitution is something foul and you and I both have daughters we don't want our daughters to become prostitutes but if you know if somebody else's daughter wants to do it what El is what to thing is like it's how your some like there are cases where somebody become a hooker because their life sucks they are on math they dis and that that's clearly not but I've I know women who have uh who did become sex workers who are speak multiple languages graduated from UCLA they have jobs they have money they have stuff and their ways they have the power in the exchange because the way they are going to play it is that they consider it kind of like

21:17dating except that I pick my clients so it's like I'm slipping around a lot but I got paid bank for doing that right and that's a whole different kind you know not all prostitution is the same a whole different game that's somebody who comes from a position where they are Empower rather than the typical you know street hooker kind of thing that's a whole different game yeah I've met um girls that have done that that have actually like had like wealthy men that they've had sex with and then they only had like a few of them and they you know they them like a couple times a month and that was their that was how they made all their money right and they but they didn't like take other clients on and I was like that is just weird that is a weird but but why is it weird because when you look at like a really hot woman like the Donald Sterling situation that

22:04old troll looking raisin man and he had that girl that uh the one that ratted him out and made those recordings she was hot yeah she was young and hot with a nice body like what what do we think's going on there why do we think he bought her a multi-million dollar condo and a Bentley and all that why do is it okay to just buy people so you can exchange gold coins can you exchange gold coins just not paper like how's that work can you buy some in a house you just can't give them cash like it's weird like why is the exchange like when the exchange is actual money not something you can convert to money but the actual money itself it becomes an issue like prostitution exists across the board in many many relationships I have friends that are married to prostitutes they really are they just happen to be monogamous prostitutes monogamous prostitutes but these guys are wealthy

22:57guys and the these women that they're dating really don't even particularly like them they have to buy them things all the time and they have to constantly keep the fires of this uh this style of relationship lit that I find weird is like isn't it easier to just pay for a cold girl go there each time but but then you know the problem is people want companionship they want someone to be there for them yeah you're not going to get it by paying somebody for that that's you know sometimes it works yeah I don't know it's it's you know it's like saying it can never work I I just think that a lot of people would be way better off a lot of people if sex wasn't such a big deal and I think that is a big part of what's going on like part of what's going on with with campuses um where there they have this massive amount of attention that's being paid to sexual assault is very good in a

23:52lot of ways because sexual assault actual real sexual assault is horrific up it's disgusting it's up and you know that the idea that my son could do it or that I could have done it when I was young is is terrifying to me and disgusting to me but equally equally true the idea of someone being accused of sexual assault where it really was just regret yeah you know like there's a lot of people that are trying to say that if two people get drunk and they have sex then then somehow or another that's rape and what it's just people having sex there's no violence there's no Force there's no that's that's crazy talk and a lot of that comes from the idea these puritanical ideas that sex is somehow a bad thing because if two people got together and they got drunk and just cuddled no one gives a yeah that's fine yeah suddenly penetration now that's it's like like

24:47where does it end like okay what if you just cuddle and you both have shorts on and a T-shirt and the guy gets a boner like what happens there you know is that bad like what if you know what if you're cuddling and the guy and the girl don't have shirts on but they have their pants on like what the are we doing if PE if they're drunk and they hug everyone's okay but if they're drunk and they it's a real problem right well if if someone says no and the other person forces them or does then it's a problem that's R of course but if it's just two people that drink and then do something and the other person wakes up in the morning goes I can't believe I that guy and then their friend says oh my God were you drunk well you could not consent that is rape it's not rape he was drunk too right like there was uh this uh I forget what the protest was but these guys had these signs that said

25:38regret is not rape and there was just like terrible backlash this but that is what it is it's regret what ever happened to up what have ever happened to making mistakes and also why is it that one gender gets a get out of jail free card like you got raped whereas every guy that I ever met has gotten drunk and had sex with someone that they regretted and then after it's over they're like oh Jesus Christ what did I do oh my God and then you know the girl's calling you or you know you see her again you're like what did I do right yeah nobody think of it then yeah the guy got raped yeah and the guy himself is not going to think that was rap right but a woman would think that if a woman got drunk with a guy but then of course you you you get into this Bill Cosby territory where a guy is purposely getting someone drunk or purposely get someone up well of course that's

26:30that's where it gets weird right that's that's where it all turns into an actual crime or an actual you know a a negative interaction or a verifiable Bonafide you know assault yeah that's different even because the intent is different it's not you're both drunk one thing to another okay whatever that's one story that one is I'm trying to get you to a vulnerable position cuz I want to take something from you that you don't want to give yeah and I'm coercing you and being sneaky about it yeah that's a different story yeah so that's a dark thing that it happen it happens to a lot of women man a lot I've talked to several women who have been roofied that's so it up when I was in high school I had once there was this um pretty hot girl who was um just passed out drunk and there was two guys at a party were clearly just moving in in that direction they were clear and

27:25obvious about what was going on that was like there was no ambiguity there that's like that is you're trying to rape somebody that's not so I remember just I had my Good Samaritan day of my life where I just kind of pick her up walk her outside help her throw up do the whole cuz I was like no it's like this is a bad scenario right here this is not a pleasant one and it's not a g the one where everybody's drunk and it's different there's no intent this is somebody who say oh vulnerability I'm going after that I wonder if anyone's ever done a study on places that have legalized prostitution whether are more or less sexual assaults from what I remember and I do believe I've seen studies about it I think he was less cuz um Jamie head to Google yes um yeah I I would assume that when it's not something that's almost impossible to attain cuz you think about it like the

28:20average guy who makes a good living um you know maybe occasionally you could afford to spend $500 on a process or whatever the hell Coss but the idea of getting that prostitute to be in a sexual relationship with you voluntarily is almost out of the question right but you if you're a goofy looking dude you can pay that girl and she'll you and the weight of that exchange is sort of been lifted I mean there's a potential that you could get addicted to going to prostitutes but you can get addicted to going to a pool hall of course you know you can get addicted to swimming you know I know people that they every morning they get up and swim they have to swim I didn't swim today and if you have the money it's like there was a not there was a Don winow novel I don't know if you ever read that guy he's a master writer Don winow yeah he read a lot of Thrillers

29:10really good writer never heard of him actually there's a line he's the guy who they did the movie Savages um what is it savages the Oliver Stone movie I believe oh that was Bas Don winow novel was that a good movie I haven't seen it to be honest I read the book the book was good um the movie I didn't hear anything that made me want to see it so I was like I'll pass but but the guy is's a good writer he has this one line at one point I forgot which novel it is but he has this line where one guy is like you know she's only with you because of your money and the other dude is like well good thing I have money then I thought it was awesome yeah what does that mean she's only with you because of this well whatever she's only with you because you're big dick and your broad shoulders shut up stupid I'm glad I have that good we're done what do that what does that mean she's

30:02only with you because you're more attractive and more intelligent and more successful than me oh okay well that just diminished me to the point where I can no longer enjoy the sexual the sexual favors of this young lady exactly what does that mean people you're only people that try to diminish you you're only because of this well and about this stuff they were talking about the sex work I find it hilarious when people look down on it kind of like oh my God that hooker that this I'm like do you work the job you have is that a job that you would have if nobody pays you would you do that same stuff anyway and 99% of people would say no it's cuz I want to get paid it's like so explain to me exactly how are your different from a hooker it's like embrace your inner hooker man you're doing it for the money that's where it embrace your inner hooker researchers decriminalized

30:52prostitution in Rhode Island led to fewer rape and fewer garia cases my point but that's not even legal that's just decriminalized so that means you can't get arrested for it um so finding stuff on both ends of it actually so really what's that I was finding it on articles on both ends saying what do you mean by that it was going up and down there's people saying both statistics clearly show that it increases no the statistics clearly show that it decreases that kind of stuff yeah there's studies for whichever side you really want to pick really it's like the Bible decriminalized though is not legalized what you you want is a nice brothel nice and clean like a you know like a beautiful establishment like a uh Burke Williams Spa Burke Williams of hookers I like it bur Williams of hookers like you if you go to a Burk Williams Spa they're they they give you

31:45a glass of water with lemon in it it's nice and they have the Chimes going and the incense you walk in there scented candles a you give you a nice massage but you know they're not supposed to have sex with you see that's the problem but if you can go to one of those places and they had sex with you you be like this is what a great exchange I know perfect I'm nice to you you got a bunch of money you're nice to me everybody wins it's puritanical it totally is because if you really break it down why would it be illegal to do something that you can do for free if you can do it for money right why I mean if you can do it for free why can't you do it for money cuz everything else you can do like massage like you could give people foot massages all day exactly but if it's a sexual thing suddenly it's illegal and it's terrible yeah I find it it's this is a puritanical religious crap that we

32:36carry with us from you know another time and it just still around in people's mentality because when you think about it I think it's complete it's it warps our minds too because it turns sex into some forbidden dirty act yep yeah yeah you know I don't know it's um the the whole like pattern of it is very difficult to break though I don't I mean I think they they broke it somewhat in the 60s you know Summer of Love and but they were all on acid that helps that's that definitely helps that totally I mean that is what acid does that's what mushrooms do that's what DMT does that Paradigm shifting reset button where you go oh why am I doing it this way why am I that's where all those songs like love the one you with you know all that came from it was a free Love Generation it was different right yeah isn't that interesting like that's all it took just a little bit of drugs and people went

33:36from Father Knows Best to Love the One You're With and like inside of 10 years 1960s are a Trippy time right just music wise you listen to what people were listening to in 1961 and what they were listening to by 1968 and it feels like 300 years have gone by it's such a nice you know night and day kind of thing they are like how did that even happen in that little period of time it's you know you go from your Malo Motown to Jimmy andrick and like it doesn't even sound remotely Clos it's everything the clothes they start wearing bandanas and bell bottoms and freaky vests and shirts with flowers on them like the whole thing just completely flipped on his head just some drugs these much time that's what people don't really truly comprehend and I didn't truly comprehend until I got old older because when I was a kid and I was in school I okay I graduated from school in 1985 that's

34:35when I graduated from high school and if you you stop and think about that 20 years before that was the height of all that freaky yep it was alive and popping in 1965 that's like that's not that long ago man that's 1995 to us like 1995 seems like the other day few years ago to think about 1995 just being Freaks and hippies and Woodstock and chaos and then the government just threw water on the whole thing put that fire out and everything calmed down the 70s and then the 80s they gave everybody Coke right and then Miami Vice and Don Johnson didn't have any socks on he's driving around a Ferrari tester Roa and it all sort of yeah got to this different place like they took the drugs out of the equation and there was this big void and no one knew what to do and it just sort of like had this chaotic bouncing against the wall thing where it was trying to find its equilibrium and find

35:35its harmonious vibration to get back to where it would have been but inexorably altered because of this one decade big time I mean even the drugs just it's not like in the ' 80s people weren't doing drugs but nastier drugs you know you go from psychedelics to hard stuff it's like crack yeah we're not talking the same drugs here it's a very different kind of game amazing it's it's it's really amazing when you get older and you realize that 10 years is nothing y it's such a like 10 years ago was 2005 that is exactly like today what was the difference between 2005 and today no iPhones other than that what's the difference we were all online everybody had email I mean there was less social media and things along those lines but ultimately is very little difference between today and 2005 if you had a 2005 car that's a nice car car that you could drive that around it' be just like a

36:29modern car it be no or a 2015 car no different not much difference in the music You Know listen to some music from 2005 it's pretty similar big time yeah you could take a song from 2005 you could totally release it today like a hit and it' be a hit today but the the difference between a hit from 1955 and a hit from 1965 Jesus Christ y Jesus what a difference well which is why to this day people about the 1960s either love it or hate it people either are like the' 60s they ruined American culture everything got terrible or they're like oh thank God for the 60s that's where all the cool stuff started happening it's very rare to find people who are neutral about it this the difference is the people that got the drugs and didn't get any drugs exactly the people that were getting crew cuts and goddamn hippies yeah yeah they never got it they didn't understand they missed the boat yeah

37:23let's nuke Vietnam they didn't let us win that's what happened it's fascinating to think that the culture can shift and change so quickly that must have been terrifying for the Old Guard you know the people that that were I mean you also have to think the the the ability to communicate about these things about these complex issues didn't exist back then so all you could do is go down to your local bar and complain or your I guess they didn't even have coffee shops back then right they no coffee shops serious who the had when when there's there was like diners huh I mean I but did they they didn't have like a Starbucks you know that didn't even exist man that's nuts when I was a kid like you would go to Dunkin Donuts and get coffee but um that was it there was no Starbucks and no place like the mom and pop store wasn't just open tables where people could sit down and chat was just

38:17go in get your coffee got out no I mean it was all local like I remember like if you were a worldly person in Boston you would get the New York Times like that was to show everybody that you were World read the New York Times if you were a dummy you would get the herald and if you were you know local but you know you're on the ball you get the Boston Globe I used to deliver all three of them the New York Times I was very rare and whenever I would deliver the New York Times the dude always had like a BMW or a Saab or something like that you know they always had like some some cool car and they lived in a a a cool house and they just they wanted to be more in they didn't want to live in New York necessarily or if they did they didn't have the funds to move there but they wanted to be worldly they and sounded like they had the money yeah well that's and that's how you got a

39:07hold of the real news that's how you had your finger on the pulse and you had to be active like I remember you know like um there was this guy that I knew that would you know he would read all the papers he'd read the Times he'd read The Herald and and I would I would ask him like why you know why do you read all these different papers why don't I just pick one and read them he's like to really get sense of what's going on in the world you really got to read all of them like the New York Times will cover some subjects globally that the Boston Globe won't Boston Herald doesn't give a about what's happening anywhere but Boston and there was like this thing where you'd had to kind of like search around to get a a a a sound like a a distant sound of the earth of like what's actually going on on the planet whereas today it's unavoidable today you actually kind to hide from information I

39:53know you said no spoiler I don't want to know about that don't tell me about the dead yet I yeah no I know it's when I was growing up me being in Italy too which was even further removed from some of the news I love basketball and I remember when I was maybe eight nine years old I wanted to find out you know who won the NBA Finals there was the game on Sunday what happened and I literally would have to call the one magazine in Italy that dealt with basketball that would come out once a month and I would call them and they had talk to their friend in New York who had told them all on otherwise I would have had to wait probably three weeks until that next issue come up who tells you who won the NBA final a month earlier wow like that's the war that I you know that I grew up in and so it's like when you think about today you can be on the top of the m and if you find

40:43the right connection you can watch the game live it's like that's a whole other game Al together yeah you were reading about basketball that happened weeks ago yeah and get all excited he's like man I can't believe I'm going to find out now about that game it's like when were the first organized Sports there was a 1800s already late 1800s in US you start having a whole bunch there's a awesome story about um the development of football in United States which was by no means the first basball was before and everything but football was funny because there's this story that late 1800s there's no more Frontier there are no more Indian Wars cuz everybody's been conquered so there was not anymore this tradition for kind of upper class males to go in the military fight the Indians that kind of stuff so many of the Old Guard felt that their kids were growing up to be whims like what you haven't

41:37even killed a few Indians what's wrong with you you're not a real man what's the so they would send them to all the Ivy League school that were beginning to pop up but they felt like yeah you read books you don't kill anybody I don't know about your masculinity really so somebody was like okay we can play this game where we they beat the out of each other is going to be this mainly physical game where they just brutalize each other then at least you know it's not as good as bringing home a good sculp but it's something you know it's like it saves their midity and stuff and that's how a lot of so if you see the all the big football programs of the late 1800s even early 1900s they were all IV Cod stuff that today you never you know Harvard Yale they the top footall programs it's like how the hell did that even and a lot of it was because it was a way to show look I read

42:27the books but I'm still a man okay I'm still tough wow that's that's interesting so was a substitute for war Y which totally makes sense I mean that's kind of exactly what it is if you watch a game it's you know it's you're winning you're attacking you know you're trying to defend you're crossing a a boundary which is like the the the border to the city the gates to the to the brothel or to the castle or to wherever you're trying to break into wow yeah and they even had these um all the top schools where ivy league upper class uh you know super rich people and then one of the top school was carine Indian School which was the lowest of the low like poorest people in United States Indian kids who got sent there in boarding schools they had nothing to do they would play football and so what they would do is that they would study the rule book try to figure out what is

43:24that nobody's doing that technically is legal but that that you know what kind of loophole can we play with and they would start you know using some tactic that nobody had used kill everybody in the process so then the league goes okay we can't have D Indians beating Harvard so let's change the rules that thing they do make it illegal like what things were it you know what I don't I wish I remember I read through the list there were some that were really but basically they developed the game of football in terms of how you know this constant game between the league and the Indian School where these guys use some loophole the league comes in makes it illegal and then the next time they use a different loople and then the league comes in and so a lot of the rules of football were shaped to start okay those guys do it let's stop it right now that's interesting lucky for them black people

44:09weren't playing back then yeah serious they change all the rules yeah exactly just that's what they've done now they just give up it's mostly black so you can turn you can turn you can get really big and white and block the runners or you can get uh you got good eyesight hand eye throw the at people rast it's so rare you get like a super Speedy white guy when one comes around they're like look at him go he runs like a black guy it's hilarious it is hilarious and it's funny how the stereotypes change over time because like early you had thra on the show like in his book breaks down now many of the early natural the natural Jewish athletes which they like you know a lot of the early boxers all Irish or you know and then lot of Jewish boxers back in the day big time well they were people they were with you know they were the early immigrants and they were struggling that's what it

45:10always seems to be it seems to be the the the group that is like the most recent immigrants like now we get you get a lot of Russians a lot of Russians in both Europe and in America with so many Russians in MMA dagistan a lot of dagistan people and completely disproportionate amount of elite Fighters too y lot of like really tough guys from Russia well if you're are used to I mean it's almost stereotypical but if you used to toughness throughout your life then climbing in the ring doesn't seem like much if you're all sheltered and protected I mean in the r is scary as hell exactly it's exactly what it is it's exactly what it is and it's also like the hunger that you have because your your life has been like just filled with Despair and struggle and and a lot of them abuse so like violence becomes like some sort of an automatic response to reaching out for abuse you know

46:05reaching out in response for the the abuse you've suffered like they they like have a that's where a chip on your shoulder comes from right right it's like someone just just waiting for someone to say some because you just been dealing bottled up you have this rage that he's like please just cross that line so have an excuse to beat the out of you right now yeah of course few Generations later your kids are y exactly and then you look at them like go play football damn it what kind of man are you but is it's weird because like isn't it kind of a good thing that they become because that means we' become civilized and everyone's sort of calmed down it's like there's this weird fine line that we walk because ultimately we would like to have no violence like ultimately we would love it if you never had to worry about a threat of violence just go through your entire life never worry

46:53about anybody shooting you or stabbing you or beating you up and that'd be beautiful but along the line you kind of lose out on a lot of the stuff that comes along with living a hard life yep the character that you develop like everybody I know that grew up in a tough neighborhood they have a sharpness to them you know and there's a character that they have that they possess that the people that grew up super cushy and some you know Connecticut Country Club estate type situation different uh I notice uh I didn't grow up in the roughest environment but it definitely was not upper class Rich anything so to me dealing with gangsters was kind of normal was like you know just a gangster there are clear rules of the game you know how to deal with them and so to see people don't have that experience and when they deal with somebody was by Nature by what kind of gangsters like

47:49Mafia guys not formally no usually not Mafia more just like you know people who deal people who uh Rob how you know that kind of thing where is like the guys who are know some serious artist of just shoplifting who just can go into a store and walk out and they would do it pretty much professionally where they make a living by you know stuff like that where it's always like Crossing definitely doing illegal stuff not I mean I've met some guys who are probably more well connected in a more formal way but not that was not the normal thing but normal thing was guys who who do a lot of illegal stuff or maybe they're not technically ganger in a strict sense but people who get into a lot of fights who you know that kind of thing whereas like sort of outside of the normal rules of civilized society but to me it's like there are clear rules of what you do with those guys usually if you treat

48:41them with respect and you don't show yourself to be a wimp they treat you fairly well there's a if you know how to play the game if you don't you know these guys will test you and if they smell weakness then they'll just clamp down on you you know and if you or if you look down on them they will clamp down on you you know there's a very clear rule of the game that if you play it right you can have very mellow Pleasant interactions yeah but people who don't have that experience that I see them interact with I'm like don't say that you cannot say that to that guy you know that just not going to end well it's that's bad well some people have a real issue with letting people into their life like you you would see that like that was what people always said about like rap music one of the big problems with rap music because these guys would make it and they would become

49:29legit and then they would let like gangsters in their life because they wanted to be seen with these people they wanted to be legit and then all a sudden these people are like completely intertwined their life y apparently that happened with Edward James almost when he did that movie American Me yeah that was you know the story behind that yeah yeah that was uh scary business yeah it was a heavy duty movie and the movie was all about these Mexican gangbangers and apparently he had become friends with these guys you know air quotes friends right um while filming this movie and just got way too close and they just started extorting him and they started demanding money and you know then they knew where he lived and it became a real issue yeah you heard their lunch at that point and again if they think that there's any weakness there then you're screwed that's why it's there's a

50:18predatorial aspect to that game where you need to know how to play it otherwise you're and I'm sure he wanted to be down you know of course he's doing this movie play this gangster cholo but then the movie had all this gay sex in it yeah that hey uh you know still traumatized now I think that was a heavy movie man yeah there was a lot of weirdness in that movie it's like what is going on yeah that was rough definitely bad stuff but that that whole like becoming tight with gangsters like that's a that's a common tale that's a that has repeated itself over and over over and over again like with Hollywood actors that wanted to be like tough guys or and that weakness right there cuz if they smell that you want something from them or that you look up to them in some way then that's weakness if they see you putting them down that's also a challenge so you're kind of

51:12screwed if you do one thing you're screwed if you do another there sort of a narrow way it's not too narrow you know there's a way to do it but if you step outside of it yeah you're yeah and it's but it's the same thing is like getting into fights you know how if you are too aggressive you will get into fights cuz you're challenging people and you're backing them in against the corner they have to fight you back but if you are too mellow then people won't respect you and they see you as weak and they come after you you kind of have to have that boundary where you're polite to people you're nice but the message is look I'm nice cuz I choose to if you decide to cross that line I'm going to you up right now and that Vibe where he like you can bring up the goods when it comes down to throwing down but you don't volunteer it you're not this macho guy who's like trying to get into

51:55a fight that's what usually people who are out for a fight tend to respect and back away from he's like that guy I'm not going to pick that guy I'm going to pick the next one yeah I mean obviously there's a lot of variables and sometimes you just run into the wrong person the wrong time but there's a parallel with the animal world I mean you think about like dogs like certain dogs if you're around dogs and you panic and you run they'll chase you and bite you it's like instinctive on their part they can't they almost can't help it whereas if you encounter dogs or even some wild animals you know and they say you have to stand your ground or yell at them like mountain lions especially you know they say You're supposed to look big and make noise and then they're like all right this I'm out of here this is too much work you know they don't want to get injured so they they they're looking

52:37for something easy but when they when they sense weakness I think it's almost nature like nature wants them to go after you he goes look at this weak let me just eat him let's just eat this dude no that's that's what it is that's the predatory I remember once when I was a kid I was probably like 18 19 years old and I was uh I found myself in one of the situation like what the am I doing here cuz I basically ended up in the middle of two not exactly gangs but close to they were about to get into a fight and that was like Westside Story type kind of you know so it's not real Mafia or blood and Crepes real gangster but is you know tough guys yeah and I was dealing with some guys and then this other group come along and I'm in the middle and you can't really walk away cuz Daddy are a with it's like oh Jesus really do I have to be in the middle of this and you know they start in this

53:29ritualized way where they start talking and so you can almost set your clock it's like okay we're two and a half minutes away from the fight right it's like they are going through their dances then they're going to do a push then there's going to and then they're going to throw down and I remember I was talking with some of these guys from qu and qu the other side assuming that I was with one side but and my vibe with these guys is like look if we really want to do this okay fine let's do this but honestly I was thinking I had a date tonight I want to go out with this hot woman we're going to go to a movie I kind of rather would do that than this but I don't know maybe you guys do you guys have nothing better to do I mean if we if we don't let's do it and that's Italians you guys are sitting there having these long conversation sit down have a coffee a

54:14little spaghetti and it was hilarious because in the me time the two main guys were kind of building it up and by the time they turned around nobody wanted to fight they were all like no you're right I kind of want to do this other thing this I don't feel like it and you know they said they leave their shirt and they chains on they're like you know I come ready but you're right this chain they're ready to fight with chains yeah yeah cuz you know nobody has guns so it's all so it's a chain fight wow that kind of thing oh Jesus Christ so I thought that's a win you know I did get to I felt like okay that was one of my better days in terms of how I played it because if again if you showed too much fear then you get squashed but if you show Too Much aggressiveness then you invite the fight there's also a natural thing when groups of men meet it's almost like it's a tribal thing that's

54:59in our DNA back to when you would run into people you know out in the field and it it would turn into a war like almost like an instinctive bonding thing I wonder if that's where like cuz a lot of the most heinous atrocities that human beings have ever created or committed rather they they've committed in the process of War right when they say that during the process of War like people are capable of horrific terrifying things that they would never do ordinarily and then also they say that when you have like this mob mentality like people will do things like gang rapes or gang murders gang beatings lootings lighting places on fire like the behavior escalates to this really like insane Place y that is very very rare for someone to go to on their own y as an individual and I wonder if that's ingrained in us because of this long history of war in the human race

55:58that when you get a bunch of men together and a bunch of men on the other side we just immediately go to scorched Earth it's immediately cutting off heads and lighting bodies on fire and catapulting them onto rooftops and just you know what I mean it's like I know human history does read like Game of Thrones to me Game of Thrones is a fictionalized documentary it's just how it is right that's and Dragons yeah and Dragons yeah minus the dragons but other than that it's just most of human history has been like that and then you get into those things where maybe you don't want to start it but remember remember those they got little Johnny the other time and they burned him and so now you feel entit get him back exactly then he never ends because it's the the other guy started it I'm not choosing this game but hey they started it and then they remembered that

56:45you did this it's like you never got out yeah I try to explain that to somebody once when they're talking about street fights and I was saying that you know you if you get into a fight with someone you're not just getting into a fight you're signing a contract fact that you will be in conflict with them back and forth until it's resolved it's not as simple as you get in a fight and it's very rare the two people get in a fight and then after that fight's over like it's over right we shake hands walk away even often in a contest like a jiujitsu match or a kickboxing match or something along those lines after it's over people are still upset if they lose and they still want to get that guy back but a fight fight like an actual fight on the street fight oh my God this that can go on for you like the what was the the famous feud in America the the Hatfields

57:30and The McCoys right these two wacky families killed each other back and forth for years they just couldn't resolve it now that's why when you once you start is uh you better finish it you know but if you're going to go down that way then you have to go down all out then you just need to really put an end to that situation where nobody from the other side can come get you but then in a war you're talking genocide that's not exactly the most Pleasant solution in the world that you want to get into but the reality is that beating somebody is only postponing the next fight it's kind of like World War I and World War I two is uh they are mad because they got beaten they are reaching for a chance for revenge and the first time they have it they'll jump on it because they are pissed off and understandably so so unless it's resolv in some way where everybody can say we're done right are

58:18we not we're not saying we're happy but can we live with the current compromise the stuff that we reach after the fight the balance of power can you live with it then it becomes a lot then that's why World War II you know dumping a ton of money into Germany and much of Western Europe rebuilding it they took away their resentment that otherwise would have been there of like those put us in this situation and they ruined our life and that's our why our economy sucks that's why everything you know being extra generous in that regard wasn't just generous out of the goodness of your heart is because you want to make sure you don't fight World War III in 10 years down the road and that works that's a good alternative to genocide yeah smart people learned how to negotiate they look we're going to let's just work this out let's figure out a way a mutually agreeable way where we

59:03can walk away and have some dignity and yep it's it's really fascinating I I had this conversation with Duncan once and it was the first time I ever thought this but I said that the history of the human race is essentially military history that's I've been obsessed with this thought because um next time I chat with Dan Carling I that's what I want to bring up and the one question I want to ask him is exactly about this he's like I love what Dan does I love you know a lot of history I dig it from so many different angles and yet why do we always end up talking about horrible stuff and I do it too you know my first two episodes of history on fire are all about some nasty ass things and I'm like insane why is it the stuff that we remember why is it that the stuff that makes the history book is all the horrible atrocity Massacre War set people on fire is it that just we don't

60:00do anything else or that it doesn't catch our attention I wish there was a way to also put the spotlight in history on some more mellow aspects of people who figured out ways to live a good life in the middle of all the that was going down it seems so much of it is as you're saying it's all military stuff it's all fight War explode the other side and that's really the big events though I mean when you look at the history of the United States what what are the events that people talk about well arguably the whole slavery right arguably that's a war because it's a it's a war on these people's sovereignty it's a war on their freedom and there's a and then a real war breaks out between the North and the South over the rights to this and then the economic aspects of it and then you look at World War I of course and World War II it's like we got to fight the Nazis and then we got

60:55freedom and all this I mean it's the entire country like the history of this country is war and then you go back to Europe well the history of Europe is all war too and other than figuring out the printing press and a bunch of different cool inventions look one of the great uh podcast that Dan Carlin did on History that's not necessarily about war is riddled with violence the prophets of Doom about Martin I mean that's not about war but it is it is still violence right horrific horrific amazing horrific violence yeah yeah but I think a lot of it is there's a bias in the record because there's it's a cheap easy way to get people attention and so most of the our history it's an easy way for us to go down that path and I do it too right it's I look at 90% of the episodes I'm preparing for history on fire I'm like oh great it's another beheading of this and it's another and I realize but why

61:53don't we and I don't mean we as in I mean in general it's like people who write history our way of thinking why I'm not denying that part that's an important part and we should look at it but why don't we also look at other things it's like what's wrong with uh studying about you know putting the accent more on stuff about people droing acid and having sex outside of marriage a lot more and listening to cool music and coming out with Jimmy andrick and why is that that less important than the Cold War uh it's not to me that just is I mean how many people's life as it tou or has transformed away a lot a lot as much as you know sometime we think whose president is history in most of our Lives whose President is most mildly important at most and there are so many other things that count for so much more but why is it that then when we write the history it's about who's president

62:48what war took place when there's so much other stuff in our lives that count for more isn't the when we were talking about the 60s isn't a big part of the 60s of the Vietnam War and the resistance to the Vietnam War and that sort of fueled that sort of crazy hippie Behavior because they realized that these old in their shitty Stupid Ways had led us into the South Pacific and this crazy war that nobody wanted I mean that that's a big part I think of the rebellion of the 1960s it's almost unavoidable because that's the worst thing that can happen see the worst thing that can happen is someone kills you or kills your loved ones right so when that happens in m you know like in war well that those become the biggest blips on the social radar that's yeah you're right so I guess embrace our inner Game of Thrones and just deal with it okay well it kind of seems like it's unavoidable well what's

63:41unavoidable it seems like at least historically I'm not saying about for the future but War seemed unavoidable cuz it was never avoided I mean it's hard to argue that war is avoidable when it's never been avoided it's like you kind of at a certain point in time you know if if a like if a girl acts like a all the time she's always screaming and yelling and clawing and pulling chicks hairs and she's like I'm not a but you're a every day you might be a if you wear it today you we the day before you keyed three people's cars today you you threw a bag out the window you're a yeah I'm glad you don't feel that way but the to you don't understand me I don't understand you okay well people are warlike no we're not we're not man we're not okay but human history says you're wrong y it really does like there's not a single moment in time in human history where someone somewhere wasn't killing

64:40like okay let's look at it this way I believe firmly that if you me and Jamie all live together on an island we would not kill each other if we had plenty of food and we didn't we didn't argue over resources we got along great I don't think we would kill each other assuming that there are at least three women there at least one girl that's got a lot of endurance that that could work as well okay that could also do it but even if there wasn't right even if we just went and jerked off in bushes for the rest of our lives if you would you would say okay the odds of us killing each other are extremely extremely small so if there was only three of us on the planet there would be no war right that would be it would be no war but as soon as you get more three mhm as soon as you get more than 10 like if there was 10 of us it was 10 of us living on an island man the odds of somebody getting jacked

65:33it's it goes up they start it's get you get to 20 oo things get weird something could happen things get weird yeah but if it's 20 and 17 or guys and three or women someone's going to die yeah at that point it's a guarantee it's not even a for debate it's a number thing right like you get to a certain certain number of people and then War becomes inevitable and there's there's never been a time ever in the history of the human race where someone somewhere wasn't killing somebody it's literally never happened not that we know of right well you need to read the Bible and go back to the time of Jesus Adam and Eve never did anything to each other they were I think there's a certain point in time where you you know you go back and people were essentially dealing with predators and that might have been the only time we weren't killing each other y we're just

66:22constantly worried about getting eaten right exactly yeah but even then like like giraffes kill each other like I didn't know until this year that giraffes kill each other I didn't know that I just found out now dude you got to see the way they do it what do they they beat each other with their necks they use their head like a whip you know those those weird knobs that they have on their heads they whip each other with those things they use their head like literally like a whip and they it's the weirdest thing to pull that up Jamie they beat they beat each other to death though commonly beat each other to death giraff until I started hunting I didn't know that deers kill each other all the time they stab each other all the time a what a horrible doggy dog world you imagine you grow swords on your head and just running around stabbing each other but but giraffes it's so odd to do it

67:16because it's a whipping thing look see they whip each other look at that damn look at this they stand side to side yep they stand side to side and they push on each other and then they whip each other with their heads what are they thinking right now he's like look at how they do it this seems like it's sped up Jamie is It sped up I don't think so wow oh it's not sped up no it is sped up yeah up yeah it's so weird this is not sped up okay this one's not sped up that's more realistic I think the first one in the there's a video series of D what is the name of this uh video uh giraffes fighting giraffe battles but they always do it the same way they go side to side just like two dudes standing shoulder Tosh shoulder and then headb each other weird yeah it's so strange man and these guys at least are clinching this one the previous ones were in this stand side to

68:10side whack each other and then take five seconds where they are thinking about the next look they get back to the same position they always get back to the shoulder Tosh shoulder position when they clinch up it's just to get back to this side by side position so they can headbutt each other so strange guys are hardcore and they use their head they use their head to the body see they attack the body with those antlers like they're like Nubs whatever it is but they'll go to the same spot over and over again like right to the rib cage can you imagine if giraffes had actually like the antlers they would just Gore the out of each other they would but see if you go to the zoo you would never imagine this takes place no cuz one of the cool things about giraffes is that they're an animal that's so universally gentle yep that you can have baby babies feed them mhm like my

68:57daughter when she was 2 years old we let her they they give you lettuce and you hold out the lettuce and the giraffe comes over with this crazy tongue that's like an arm and they reach out with their tongue and it wraps it around the leaves and it pulls it but they're so confident in their behavior around people that they let babies feed them but you get these two together and they fight over some and that's what it always buns down it's exactly what this is that's exactly what the the deer don't fight you know get together in Bachelor groups when they're not breeding when the rut is over and they are all the rights and they're buddies they're all buddies together that's like one of the best ways that uh people hunt them out of the rut is to find Bachelor groups and then they they get done with those they don't even want to hang out with them as soon

69:41as they get done fighting or as soon as they done fighting and they're like let's just hang out guys come on let's go wander through the countryside let's go camp let's go hang out tell some stories come on guys I know we stabbed each other a couple of weeks ago but that's over bro it's over survive I survive we can be they heal up quick too that's another bizarre thing about deer it's like they'll stab each other and they they put these horrible gashes in their body and then like a week later it's like completely sealed up and they're just walking around like nothing happened Wolverine power just they just super super high metabolism and probably just you know they only live like seven years so I think whatever injuries they have just seals up quick cuz there was this video of this guy guy uh he went bow hunting and he missed this deer he missed a good spot he you know he missed

70:30the vitals and he hit it in the shoulder so the the deer got an arrow in its shoulder and then they found the deer a week later walking around like nothing just arrow in should off oh it fell off Arrow fell off the the the hole in the shoulder healed up just seal sealed itself it's like what the that's freaky well they're just they have they have to be like that yeah in their world they're getting stabbed all the time by swords that these dudes are growing up their heads they were competing for sex and competing for sex that goes back to my point if they were giraffe hookers or deer hookers these guys would suddenly get along well the crazy thing about deer is it's not about like it's not just about sex it's literally only about sex one time a year it just that increases the pressure it's like this is my one chance man and I only live seven years so how many chances do I really

71:20have in my life three four five at most so at most if you in my I'm going to kill you I don't yeah yeah most of them they freeze to death they freeze to death they starve to death like they'll wear their teeth down to nothing and they can no longer process grains ooh that's not a good way to go it happens to a lot of deer like a lot of people will kill an old deer and then they open its mouth up and they go wow he would have never made it through the winter because their their teeth are gone they just have a very finite resource with those teeth and at that point you're really doing them a favor cuz that's a a way to go by low starvation that's up or they get even worse they're on their way to getting starved and the coyotes find them yeah they're weak and then you get eaten alive yes first that's how they get you o there was a thing that I tweeted today

72:09Jamie you see that thing about there's a literally a new species um that is evolving before our eyes it's a mix of coyotes wolves and and dogs and domestic dogs no and then a hybrid of these three is incredibly successful and it's uh like the koi wolves are coyotes and wolves and we've known about them for a while and that's really a fascinating thing CU It's a larger coyote but look at this new spe new species involving right before our eyes an ultra successful mix of wolves coyotes and dogs it's a really interesting article but it's an actual this this is from The Economist this is actually they're mating with each other and they're creating an actual species really fast wow that's creepy yeah the inbreeding began up to 200 years ago as European settlers pushed into Southern Ontario and cleared the animals habitat for farming and killed a large number of wolves that lived there

73:04it also allowed coyotes to spread from the Prairies and the white Farmers brought dogs into the region over time wolves began mating with their new genetically similar neighbors and the resulting Offspring which had been called the Eastern coyote or to sum the coywolf now number in the millions according to research of North Carol State University this is really interesting stuff man that's crazy 55 lbs not small at all no 437 this is cool an an analysis of 437 hybrid animals found that the coyote DNA dominates its genetic makeup with about one tenth of its DNA from dogs usually from a larger dog such as Doberman Pinchers and German Shepherds and a quarter from wolves wow that's freaky yeah doubled in size compared to a kyot that's big yeah it's just it's it's it's fascinating to think how a species evolved in the first place like how did a wolf become a wolf you know

74:10how did a giraffe become a giraffe and to see something like this happening and have a very clear line like a genetic line this is what caus this amazing stuff man it's trippy though sure is that's always what you wonder about Evolution going wrong when you see those you know you think about wolves and then you see some of the dog species today I'm like how the did you come about just you're not suited for anything man it's like and they've been doing it for thousands of years that's like a modern dog has been around for thousands of years we didn't even know the original origin like there's a lot of speculation they believe that the wolves that were around human beings they became uh they became different because they wanted the people to like them so they became the more successful ones stated were the ones that were a little more timid and more beta

74:59playful they did a study on foxes really interesting study that they highlighted in this uh Radio Lab podcast but they were talking about genetic diversity in uh genetic diversity in foxes where they um only allowed the foxes that were timid and um and like more more accepting of human human touch and to be around humans they only allowed them to live and they sort of like bred those let those breed with other ones and over like 10 years they had completely changed the fox DNA like they had completely changed to the point where their ears no were no longer pointed they flopped they didn't stick straight up they flopped their jaws became more feminine in 10 years yeah and their colors started changing it's nuts yeah 10 years it's like three generations maybe for foxus or something that's crazy yeah I mean probably more than three generations because you know a

75:54generation an exactly entire lifetime it's like how long it takes you to breed into successful might couple of years or something so maybe five generations it's crazy though Ste not much five generations is nothing well that's what they're finding now more and more the more they study life is that life can evolve and change and shift and adapt incredibly quickly wow my favorite story of that is the Congo cuz the Congo used to be like a grassland used to be a Savannah and then the climate changed it became this really l rainforest but a lot of these animals that were like savannah animals they got trapped right they are stuck they stuck inside this rainforest so like there's this BBC documentary on the Congo and one of the cool things is seeing this swampy crazy rainforest and then seeing these deer run through the water of the rainforest these antelopes and you're like whoa

76:46they're from supposed to be in grasslands and they're just trapped in this insanely dense rainforest did they change anything like their habits their anything about their physical features that was dramatically different some of them one of them is called a dier and a Dyer is a very small Antelope but it can swim underwater for up to 100 yards and it eats fish the hell what the hell that not what I would picture yeah 100 yards underwater fish that's what the it's it became something that adapted to that environment wow yeah they can eat fish but they found that deer eat um Birds they didn't know that until like really recently and one of the ways they found it was uh through camera traps um because you know they have these camera um these trail cams that people put up when they're hunting and that when they put up these trail cams as the trail cams got more and more sophisticated

77:45they started using video trail cameras and as the video trail cameras started you know they get the data back from them they started finding like occasionally birds like deer would eat ground nesting Birds yeah soor in my Disney Fantasies just told me that giraff beat the out of each other that de eat birds what there are no certainties in life anymore I know they're all evil those goddamn animals the ones that we have anthropomorphized these beautiful creatures that exist solely on The Power of Love yeah yeah there was a um they did some sort of a uh a study where they were capturing certain birds with Nets and they set the Nets up and the birds run into the Nets and get caught well the deer would just walk right up to the birds in the Nets and just start eating them wow just chewing them alive while they're in the net just so much for the innocent M

78:36there and CU it wasn't like they were just testing like trying it out like is this food no they just went right to it they like so deer apparently eat ground nesting birds all the time well being a ground nesting bird that looks like shitty human like that's just bad Evolution right there cuz it's like dog life what were you thinking you're a bird what the hell are you doing on the ground that just a bad idea yeah don't you know how to put sticks and twigs in the trees you dumb that helps a lot it's like where I live there's regularly almost on a monthly basis there's like some cute little birds nesting the eggs are hatching and everything and the Hulk regularly come by and just reap the out of them and I find pieces of birds everywhere and it's pretty nasty yeah my friend Tom was uh sitting out on his back porch he was uh one of the directors of news

79:24radio back in the day Tom cerrus great guy and he was in Studio City and he goes I'm sitting on he had this like sort of Georgia accent I'm sitting on my porch enjoying my coffee and I see a dove or you know some sort of a bird maybe it a dove sitting on the uh fence and then out of nowhere a hawk comes and snatches that bird up and he goes and part of me felt lucky to see that right yeah like lucky cuz it doesn't happen every day but it also like made you realize like it's hard out there stuff word yes and birds eat birds that's another up thing yeah what's with that I never thought of that I saw um not so long ago I was coming back home and I hear this bird just yapping away just making this crazy noise I'm like what the hell and I look up in the tree and I see this one bird just just mad just going and then I see that right next to it like maybe 10t away there's this Hawk

80:19that has another bird in his mouth that look exactly like the one that's yelling so this one is probably like said you son of a you are just eating my wife that's not right and it's like I was like man that's a rough life right there yeah Hawks Jack everybody yep everybody gets jacked except I saw once YouTube video of a hawk committing suicide by eagle decide to attack an eagle's nest and oh no it's not a good idea you see this Eagle who's just like minding his business is this big bald eagle and then clearly before even the camera picks up cuz the camera I guess was set on The Nest to capture whatever was going on there you see the eagle just suddenly see something and Buffs up like ready for the fight and the next thing you see is this Hulk coming in just fighting with the eagle and it last about six seconds as the eagle just go whack Quack and just rap the hwk to

81:07Pieces he like you know I'm glad you beat all the other birds but an eagle is an eagle step away you're you're beginning to overestimate your skills here man like he got drunk yeah drunk started to take on an eagle maybe ate some fermented berries or something they're Eagle they think they are old that I'm going to show them right now and yeah that did not work it's interesting that birds fly in flocks right like Canadian geese and ducks and sparrows but not the ones that eat meat no the ones that eat meat you're on your own yep you know there's probably this uh competition yeah definitely something about that flesh something about eating that meat just changes the whole dynamic of the situation the ones that eat the meat speaking of which after seeing your Instagram picture of your elk din there I'm like I want in I'm going to be knocking on the ran dud I got somek for

82:00you I wish I had gone to the I have to get some but I have a freezer in the back I'll hook you up next time I see you I'll bring you some elk steaks you love it I'll teach you how to cook it too it's it's a little different because there's very little fat so you have to cook it quick the easiest to cook I'll give you some ground elk is the easiest to cook like elk burgers super high protein too it's like um um I think it's 22 grams of protein per pound which is like way more than domestic beef right so like between I think the highest is elk and the second highest is Moose I think those are the highest of the that type of animal that you can get but it's really delicious too man so good I love it so good for you too and you don't have to feel guilty about factory farming and all that other exactly I mean if you're going to eat meat might as well it's better that wild and had a

82:52good life and that's it you know Factory f I mean sucks have you ever seen an eagle in the wild um yeah yeah wild to see right when you see one in real life you're like God those things are big in South Dakota yeah I've seen them South Dakota yeah there's a uh crazy video online from Alaska of this kid and his whole family is uh their their lawn is covered with bald eagles and they were throwing out fish they uh had like some salmon so they had filleted the salmon and then they had the bottoms the rib and the heads and all that stuff and they they had thrown it out for these eagles and their their lawn is just overwhelmed with bald eagles so we like to think of bald eagles as like being something like like extremely endangered and protected Alaska is a different story I guess totally different story they're protected in some places right but in Alaska they're

83:43not protected I mean not not they're not protected I should say they're endangered in a lot of places but they're not endanger in Alaska they're still protected yeah I like look at all these no way yeah so this uh what's the name of this video Jamie it says uh 100 p.m. on a summer night in um how is that a summer night oh you can't see you can't see the other one I was like you EDS it's not night just cuz it's p.m. but look at all these Eagles man wow and the those uh the ones that aren't black with uh White those are the immature ones those are the young ones and some sometimes those young ones are enormous man yeah they don't look mode that's for sure no they're all over this guy's lawn yeah and uh they they throw like these buckets of fish out for them but they have you know Eagles all over the place up there yeah California we have some Eagles still we have golden

84:39eagles they they still find them but they're just not for whatever reason not nearly as common as they are up there in Alaska I guess it's also probably because they have a lot of food up there with all the salmon yeah the salmon runs this is just uh one part of the video this is pretty long but see they're they're sitting around waiting for this guy to Chuck like fish heads for them it's a just an amazing animal this this animal this this flying Raptor that really is probably exactly like what the dinosaurs are like it's fascinating when they find more and more evidence that many dinosaurs had feathers and I think there's really probably not much difference between some birds like eagles yeah and some dinosaurs and then they know that some birds even birds that lived uh like fairly recently like the terror Birds they were uh these large flightless 6 foot 7ft tall Birds he's

85:40going to go for the head look at him he like should I get that head I want to get that head but that dude with camera stillo close he's thinking about it look at his little baby steps n back it out no head for you swooping in trying to get is this one is more mature yeah he's got a little bit more confidence Jack there you go oh I love it love to just swoop in and crab it God damn they're awesome animals I'm I just I I find the world of nature to be unbelievably beautiful and exciting and crazy but for whatever reason I'm way more thrilled by the Predators yeah like the like when I see things like this when I see like Raptors that's what excites me if I see like some sparrows or something like that ass Birds we can relate more in the sense of you know as human beings we have you know hunting and Gathering has been what 95% of the time we've been around it's what we did it's

86:42what has been the norm for human beings for the longest period of time yeah but there's just something about dangerous things I want to show you this picture that somebody sent me um uh this uh family friend has um uh chickens and they they caught a bobcat eating their chickens look at this Jamie who yeah yeah I'll hold it up to the camera see if people could see it this is uh this is like I think they live in Woodland Hills yeah there's all s far away from here at all that's what's Tripp is that you know now for the longest time I live closer to the water now that I'm living Inland I'm kind of close to glandel to the hills up in eag rock and stuff it's crazy to that you find running around in the middle of houses you see everywhere and yeah all the time the other day I'm the other day was hilarious I'm coming back home I was teaching a night class so I come back home it's probably

87:37like 10:30 p.m. or something I arrive I'm walking through my garden it's pretty pitch black and just maybe 20 feet to my right I hear just something growling at me right and I don't know it completely skipped my rational brain there was no thought in my mind the next thing I hear is this meaner heavier growl and I realized oh wait that's me it's me growling or whatever other thing was there I'm just like just pissed off right I never know because whatever the other things was decided okay you're crazier than me so I believe it because I had it I honestly don't think he was anything big I think he was probably like some pissed off raccoon trying to show that they are T and they are not really I don't think he was any raccoons will fight you though cuz coyotes wouldn't growl if they want you they come after you but they're not going to growl and they don't cuz they are small so they mind

88:26their business mountain lion wouldn't and it's very rare anyway it's probably stupid raccoon or something yeah he probably got too close to his garbage Dash exactly and he was all trying to yeah this was a bobcat this this crazy mangy looking creepy animal and like I said this is like real close to where the studio is and this is a guy had a chicken coop and this thing figured out how to get in his chicken coop and was eating one of his chickens in his ceop he found it what a creepy looking face on that look at that looks like a mean bastard there oh he's out there earning he's earning his keep you know he's not getting any welfare in the form ofat nobody's hting yeah exactly he's giving him how how big the Bobcats get they get like 30 or 40 pounds right they're pretty big yeah but I would imagine harot coyotes bigger somewhere around there I bet coyotes don't with Bobcats probably not

89:15yeah I bet it's too much work I mean they probably could kill them if they got a bunch of them together but it probably tastes like right it's probably like chewing a shoe yeah exactly musle there's no softness and you know what apparently tastes good is Mountain Li really yeah I know this guy in Colorado in Colorado they're pretty um a bunch they're good about taking care of them too they have Mountain Li seasons and they try to keep the populations down and you know some people argue saying that they're killing too many and this and that you shouldn't kill them but there needs to be some sort of a balance otherwise they start appearing on people's Lawns and killing people's like California has a real problem because they don't allow people to hunt them and they have a lot of coyotes or a lot of mountain lies and that's one of the reasons why the deer population in

90:03California is so low up of course yeah and some people like it that way they think well that's the Natural Balance really shouldn't have that many deer around and ultimately I mean I can see that point where it's probably better to have a lot of mountain line than it is a lot of lme disease from ticks and a lot of deer slamming into cars like you do in places that don't have high mountain line populations you know like or something like that where they have a lot of them but um the was my point that we should eat mountain lions oh they taste good these guys that I know that hunt them in Colorado and I said really I'm like what does it taste like and he goes it's a lot like pork tastes like pork loin yeah they they take the backstrap from a mountain line and uh you know they um they'll roast it that's weird cuz usually the big melar predators are not exactly what you think

90:50of what you want to eat but apparently it tastes really good they said it tastes really good like this one guy that was talking to it's like one of his favorite Meats he said it tastes just like a pork roast they make it with like a blueberry sauce I'm getting nature school today I found out that giraffes are cans that deer eat birds that you can eat a mountain lion you know all sort of goodness there's all sorts of things to be learned out there about the wild natural world you know it's just it's like I said there's something about the Predators that I find just unbelievably fascinating and I think it's because they have to they have to be so explosive and so quick and so dangerous in order to get what they're they want to get they can't just walk around and chew on grass and like cows nobody gets excited when they see a cow because it's just even if it wasn't so

91:41common they're boring yeah like Buffalo they're the same but at least they have cool hair yeah exactly they make some granting sounds that are yeah Buffalo are cool I ended up once in the middle of a her of buffalo in um Caster State Park in South Dakota really where I took like um they have you know the regular roads that you can take with the car then they have some dirt roads that you can still take with the car so I was kind of off the beaten path and all of a sudden I find myself in the middle of like probably 300 Buffalo so I kind of stop the car wait there and they are going everywhere around me right there's like from one side to the car the other in front of me behind me and they are big powerful an you know you see them you're praying not to piss them off CU they are solid you know they don't mess around it was awesome though I mean once I figure okay this guys don't want to

92:32with me they just want to move around me and they don't care he was great because you see the all the Cs running after they're beautiful they're really awesome animals and yeah it that's the thing with all wild species are cooler than all the domesticated species tend to be dber tend to be a lot like somebody's going to bring me food anyway yeah while you die you know you need to be on it's like when you see a dog and you see a coyote coyotes are silent you don't hear them make a damn noise you see them and you're like oh is that a dog and in three seconds you know he not a dog cuz the way they move the way they it's a whole different game most dogs are all dump and happy and they're like I'm here I'm doing they're way noisier it's is are sneaky yeah the Wilder version is always you know you don't cut it if you're if you're not smart in the world it's a hard life it's

93:22a hard life and they they have this like this this air about them they just trying to catch something trying to sneaking around the first time I saw a coyote was in Burbank in 1994 when I first moved here I was staying at the Oak Woods the oak woods they have these uh pre- furnished apartments that's where I lived and uh I was driving to my place and I saw this dog on the road and another dog next to him and I was like oh that's a wolf and I realized like oh that's a coyote like that's a live and I realized like those are wild coyotes and they're just wandering through Burbank like how strange that they can just exist on the streets like I didn't know that they I figured if you lived in the rural areas you'd encounter them but I didn't realize that they had actually gone deep deep deep into the cities in search of like cats and big time I I found one in my in

94:13my yard not so long ago and it was getting a bit too comfortable it was just kind of roaming around around him I was like first you're like oh this is so cool I can't believe I'm seeing this after a while like okay you're getting a little too comfort in my backyard and I walked out and you know so the coyot start moving away and then I realiz what the hell am I doing I'm put in a wild animal with his back against the fence that can be a good idea that's but that was my sweet illusion cuz my idea of the fence like took a look at me and was like you call these a fans he was like probably good six foot fans and he just jumped it in one thing without even just like these will keep out a dog those stupid things you may keep around but me I got something else going on and I was like okay wild animal are a whole different game that yeah yeah I had a coyote kill

94:59one of my chickens hop my fence like it was nothing really yeah I watched him hop the fence with the chicken in his mouth I was like wow those they're powerful yeah well when chickens brood um you have to uh remove them from their like the regular Nest cuz they'll sit in a nesting box they'll pull their feathers off and they get sick and and they can do it for like a month and a half at a time so what you got to do is you got to put them in a small cage for a couple days where they have to uh stand on a rail they they have to clutch and sit on this rail and you do that for a couple days and then they'll get over the brooding instincts and get normal again it's just a cycle because they're not having sex oh is that what it is yeah because they're not having sex like when you eat an egg I didn't know this until really late in life but an egg get you ready for a new

95:45piece of information let's go I thought an egg would become a chicken this is how I am I thought the only way that a chicken makes an egg is if she gets by a roof rooster and then an egg comes out and then they sit on the egg and it becomes a chicken and you just got to get the egg before the chicken hatches and you cook it that's not the case that's my understanding of it so please enlighten me now they actually lay eggs all the time with no males involved whatsoever so I have 22 chickens I have no males they're all females and they lay usually if not an egg a day at at the very least an egg every other day clothes okay and those eggs will never be chickens never so people that are vegetarians that don't eat eggs like you're really silly cuz like it's it's animal protein that doesn't hurt anybody these chickens they lay these eggs whether you like it or not and if you

96:37don't eat them they just rot right you can just you know but um these uh these chickens they I would take them when they're brooding and I'd put them in this other box and the other box is outside of their Coupe and it was you know fairly secure but this uh coyote had figured out how to tip it over and uh got the chicken and he had him in his mouth and I watched him hold it in his mouth and run through my yard with it in his mouth like this and I open the door thinking like maybe I would be able to get to him before he could jump the fence with the chicken nope like not even clo just leapt over it like it was nothing exactly their their ability is amazing and a mountain line way crazier they can just do ridiculous they can jump like 12T fences that would freak me out out in the wild the mountain lion if I yeah if you don't have any weapons on you you're

97:28that's not a good thing yeah that's scary definitely scary there's a video of this guy hiking and he's hiking and as he's hiking this mountain like just sitting there staring at him watching him he's on this Trail and he starts making noise and smacking sticks against the ground but it's like that guy probably came super close to getting eaten yep and if he was smaller especially if he was like a a small woman y yeah know there was a case not what was it a few years ago in fit park there was some lady got eaten by a mountain lion while hiking I'm not surprised they're out there there's a lot of them they're you know they they track quite a few of them but I guess when it comes to large big predators it's probably one of the best ones to have around because you know they they have plenty of that they eat right they they keep away from people for the most part but it is weird

98:19that we just not only do we want to help them like there there's setting up these they're like bridges that go across the highway because one of the ways that mountain lines die is trying to cross the highway try to cross the 101 and they get nailed y I say him they too stupid you're so stupid learn how to cross traffic or dumb cat he's so stupid you run into traffic that's not a cat that needs to be around that's that's Nature's Way of thin in the herdan yeah there a lot of them you know we don't really need to protect them that much they need to spend millions of dollars building a bridge you know how about clean up Skid Row how about work on those animals there's when I was um I like to go to Big Bear CU you know he's only two hours away from me or something but it's awesome it's like a whole other environment is beautiful the trees everything so I like to go out there and

99:13the place where I usually go the I was chatting with some neighbors and they were telling me yeah you know these days Bears have stopped coming around I'm like why what's what's up he's like a mountain lion moved into the neighborhood and even they are freaked out by him apparently there are like I mean the Bears in Big Bear are not this huge exactly and and appearing to this mountain lion is extra aggressive and decided the Bears decided let's move to a nicer neighborhood also one gangster Mountain line moved in exactly and there uh and so I was hiking around and it was probably 600 pm and I'm like do I really want to do this at this time this this does not seem like the best plan in the world right now uh no weapons yeah I don't like this too much yeah you got to go with like a full hockey outfit on maybe a football pads and some chain mail they're not going to get you though

100:04they have things to eat they have plenty of things to eat most of the time mountain lions don't want to have anything to do with people it's the sick old ones that they need food so bad that they'll they're willing to take a chance on a person of course but for the most part even if you do like the natural selection process has probably eliminated people from their diet because every Mountain line that chose to eat a person was killed exactly so they somehow or another they know yeah they know don't with those bipedal but if they think they can get away with it why not of course but that you know it's beautiful as they are you know they are they're terrifying and they're ferocious and everything but I would be way more thrilled to see one of those than I would to see something that doesn't kill things right it's weird yeah I think it goes back to the same

100:55thing we were talking about regarding history why is it that we're fascinated with that and we are you know there's no denying it and you would be to pretend no you know I like peace and mellow and I like to see people shake hands and it's like there's a beauty to some mellow peaceful stuff but we dig I mean we like you why do we like fight it why do we it's what it is right it's uh that's the game it's in nature we like it we like it among you know history half of it is about the conflict and the war it's all about that stuff and it's conflict and consequences like if you were in the ocean and you saw a uh a big marlin like wow that'd be cool wow look at that Marlin but if you saw a shark eat the Marlin yeah it'd be way more exciting you know if you see if whale whales are cool to see they're beautiful to see but a killer whale is way cooler than a regular whale yeah there's that

101:48something's going to happen here something exciting and dramatic is going on shark is way cooler than a regular fish yeah there's something about those type of animals like I would love to go uh on to Africa in a safari if it wasn't for malaria and Ebola if it wasn't for those 57 reasons yes that would be fing parasites and all kinds of crazy I would love to go to Africa just to in the off chance of seeing a lion take something down on a safari right I would love to go and see that I'd love love to witness that I wonder how often that that takes place like when you go on one of those safaris wonder how often you actually see something get jacked yeah even because just because they are hunting doesn't mean they're going to be successful because of course a bunch of times you fail and that's the and I think that's part of the interesting conflict is there's something's going to

102:38happen and the two sides whoever the two sides are are trying opposite things so there's this conflict of Will and somebody's going to get their way and somebody isn't so there's that element of excitement that almost make you want to bet on it like who's going to win who going who's going to step up with their a game and suceed who's going to fall miserably it's uh it's cool when you watch fights it's cool when you watch anything it's like there's even with not a fight if the lion chasing the gazelle is like can the gazelle speed leave the lion in the dust and just leaving pissed off and hungry or is it going to there's that question there it's like let's see how they play their cards when life is on the line you know yeah and that contemplation of how the outcome's going to go down like what well that that for whatever reason is one of the most compelling things that people can watch

103:27yep it's we're we're so strange in that regard that that that is like one of the most interesting things for people uhhuh I mean that's why the the Romans I mean when they were feeding lions or Christians right that's what that was all about it's like to see how long that guy can last in there just to gross out your listeners check this out this is a nasty story that I did not know about so what that would happen was after they would um have the Beast either fight each other or they would have the lion seat Christians or something then a typical thing is that after the end of the day when a whole bunch of these animals have been killed in one fight or another the Roman emperors to kind of look cool and popular with the crowds would then distribute the meat to all the poor people of Rome so all the animals killed in the arena would then be eaten by all the poorest people in

104:20Rome as a freebie because you're a poor person and you're more likely than not a lot of people in your room were pretty close to starving a lot of the times nothing got to be thrown away you eat anything right you the whole animal whatever they give you you eat it so what does that mean that means that among other things that would end up as weird exotic dish in on the on a Roman table sometime you get also the Interiors of animals that have just been eating people so through via second hand you're also eating people people since you're eating stomach contents of lion that just got killed in the arena and that lion just finished feeding on a Christian so you're having a lion Christian burger for yourself oh this is just something you just found out about um May three four years ago I was doing some research on Gladiators and games and all of that that I was like and I

105:13started picking that same information in a bunch of sources I'm like okay so this is not vulture this is a so is that something they discussed in the history text like they discussed that people would talk about accidentally eating people or like how would they say it yeah essentially they were like hey people ate the whole thing there was no nothing was thrown away the whole thing was and uh I guess I don't know if there were primary sources that refer to this that were reported I forget the exact you know the smoking guns that say yeah this is what happened but I remember seeing it in enough secondary sources to say okay there's something to that story I didn't know there was any history at all people eating lions yeah I mean you wouldn't as a choice but if you are as Starving plean in Rome was nothing else and the emperor say look what a nice guy

105:58I am I'm giving you lion stomach please have fun that it's that is the the civilization that we always point to when we talk about excess leading to chaos leading to decline of civilization we always talk about Rome but isn't the United States way more up and decadent than Rome ever was except for feeding Christians Alliance other than that if you look at the overall numbers of death yeah there's a lot of strange stuff that we've done to the environment that we've done I mean that just a sheer number of human beings you're dealing with 350 what is it somewhere 350 million it's a lot just it's crazy that they got to the point where they were entertaining themselves by bringing in gigantic Predators like how far is Rome from Africa how the did they get Lions yeah they would have hunters in Africa tra them then they how they trap them I guess uh set up a bait on something that

107:03would like they would fall in in um in a big pit where they can climb their way out and then I don't know exactly how they got a cage on them and then rapid it's I'm sure a lot of people died to provide the Lions for Rome and then you ship them by boat through Sicily then they send up to Rome and uh they did it to a level that they said that the the animal population of North Africa changed completely because of the Roman games because they were killing thousands upon thousands of them that they literally they drove some species extinct in North Africa at least in that part you know what the yeah that's on such a massive scale they were doing it all for the games and the Roman the guys who were setting up the games they were kind of like remember when Pride was on and there was those Wy Japanese matchmaking where they would have like let's throw the 600 pound Hood against

107:58the 150 pound let's see what happens you know it's like Romans matchmakers were like Japanese matchmakers they had those ideas it's like I wonder what happens if we throw a lion and the Bear Let's see what you know let's try they would do that stuff all was there a civilization like that before them or did they invent these kind games probably the gladiatorial stuff was ancient um in Greece and some people think about the ausans as well there may have been some origin there cuz the story about the Gladiators is that they started out as human sacrifice that they would do it rather than originally they probably sacrific somebody on the grave of some important person because the idea was that their blood was feeding the spirit of the Dead MH then probably somebody said hey how about instead of sacrificing me I give you entertainment so we have a nice big fight I get the

108:46other prisoner of war we go at it one of us die doesn't have to be me I have at least a shot one of us the blood will feed the dad and the other one got to walk home alive and they decided hey cool like we got entertainment on top of the sacrifice that's one of the popular theories think it was the prisoners idea or do you think it was like some I would think there' more likely be some sadistic ruler idea I mean yeah there's that probably a chance I throw one sword into the cage that could be but at the same time if I'm the one about B sacrifice I'm like hey I'm GNA make it fun for you guys just bring me somebody else and yeah but yeah either case it started out probably as a religious thing and then it evolved into oh this is fun screw the religion but just let's have a good time and well we always point to the decadence of the Roman Empire as being

109:36like the Pinnacle of excess right that's that's how we look at it but then you go to Disneyland and you see people on scooters everywhere you go they've eaten themselves into these gelatinous bean bag style human beings I was just a Disneyland I've I've every time time I go there are more scooters it's freaky there's more and more people just getting so big that they can't walk yeah let's make it easier for people to eat themselves to that because that's what we want it's in fact there are one of the reason why I think is interesting for many people in the US to study Rome and there's this Fascination for Rome is because the parallels are not that hard to see you know you see that super powerful civilization that keep growing and growing in power and eventually hit the ti in scale of EX test gets more and more people get have a comier life so they do get softer and then you are

110:29getting ready for the fall in the face of somebody else tougher and stronger who come from a harsher life who's going to you know it's the same stuff as the Roman Empire right is right you eventually stop sending your guys to fight your Wars CU it's like I don't want my kids to go to war how about that's what we did it's our heritage but I don't want to do that anymore let's hire some poor to fight for us in the process your civilization gets weak until eventually the other you're hiring doesn't want to fight for you anymore they turn on you and your civilization Falls we never learn no it's a tough balance between leaving too harshly where yeah you become this war machine but that's a sucky life and living too softly when it's it's a real delicate game and I mean you know it is with your kids you want things easy for them you want to make everything as easy as pleasant as

111:24possible but if you make it too easy you turn them into wimps and so it's if you make it too hard they'll hate your guts cuz it's like you you're needlessly making my lifee hard so it's like that very delicate game of making feel people loved giving them support helping them when needed but then also teaching them how to be strong and that does not happen through softness it doesn't happen through making everything easy for them I've had that conversation many times with Brian Ken where he and I were talking about you know one of the reasons why um you know Brian lived a very strange life like he went to boarding school for a lot of the time he grew up all over the world he lived in many different countries and went he just faced a lot of adversity because he couldn't make friends he was constantly moving and because of that he's this really interesting guy and everyone that

112:13we know that's really interesting had some sort of a up life and yet we don't want our kids to have a up life it's that weird you don't want your kid to be interesting I guess you know maybe what's that Chinese proverb with the the curse may you live in interesting times yeah exactly yeah it's uh yeah it's I I I wonder if that's the only way to create someone or to engineer the life of a human being that's that's uh that has character like there's got to be ways that you can teach them through difficult tasks or through athletic Endeavors like I mean I my life was definitely up up until the time where I was in you know high school but all of my I think my real character development all who I became like the harder Parts was when I was in a really nice neighborhood I lived in uh Newton which is like a really nice suburb of Boston but it was that was when I was doing martial arts

113:11that's when I was competing so I like consciously or um uh purposely did something really difficult because that was what I was interested in I wasn't thinking oh this difficult thing will make me a real you know interesting man when I grow up and this will provide me with all this character development no like that was what I really wanted to do for whatever reason I was compelled to it and then the byproduct of that was I developed character I developed the ability to push myself and discipline but I did it without having to go through like horrible neighborhoods nobody I mean people beat me up in the gym but nobody beat me up in the street nobody robbed me I didn't get shot or stabbed but I developed character in a way that's similar to what someone would probably go through if they went through like some really bad violent times and I think you nailed it right there because

114:01you're bringing up something that's not you're going to get tough because we're going to throw you in the street and you're going to fight every day against some crazy kids with knives and you survive you're going to be tough it's like well that's a little but at the same time it's now let's have you sheltered and I think martial arts in that regard is perfect you know Combat Sports are great because they do teach you toughness but they're still within a relative protected environment nobody's going to pull out a gun on you nobody's going to you know it's it's tough but is civilized tough you know it's not uh throw people to the walls and pray for the best so it's a it's a nice medium and I think the more we make our life easier which we want to we do need to engage in things that keep the toughness alive at least to some degree you know it's like you're not going to be tough

114:47the way the one guy who survive out of a 100 was been thrown to the Wolves but at the same time you still have that muscle there is not completely gone because you are just all abouts because then now you end up with people who are very pleasant very nice very sweet and complete wimps and don't have a spine and then it's like that's not the solution either you know yeah they have no resiliency they they don't have any experience in in overcoming difficult situations I often times think about that when I think about animals because you know I have dogs and I have cats and uh my animals have zero I mean I guess I mean they they would they would kill something if they could but they don't they're not mean at all at all but if you see a wild animal an animal that has to get its own food they're so different and the only way you can get an animal that's tame is

115:37you have to provide them with all their food and that you have to bypass all of their natural predatory instincts that every dog has and every cat has and there's a way to bypass it you just got to give them steady food and love steady food and love steady food and love and in doing that you quote unquote domesticate them right and that's kind of also what's happening with people you know what we are doing with human beings is turning people into these fluffy sort of kitty cat type people exactly where if everything goes wrong and you find yourself on a deserted island you can go feral right and you you try to figure out a way to survive you're eating raw muscles and chewing on roots and stuff but the reality is what you've become is a domesticated person you know if you ever see like like when they catch people they find people that have been like living in the wild by themselves

116:31like it's only been a few times they found like actual wild feral people but they repres they resemble feral animals in a lot of ways that's how you survive you know it's who does live in the wild and succeed wild animals so human being is going to do that it's going to be along those lines it's but what we value from people a lot of what we value is domesticated people like what I like is people that I I go up to I hug them I know they're not going to try to bite my neck and eat me you know what I mean I tend to I'm Weir that way as well yes I tend to enjoy the same thing no it's like anything is a balance and the balance is not 5050 maybe 90 10 but you still need to have a little of that other side it's always that there's a once you go a 100 zero then you really lost something you know it's like where exactly is that balance in a desirable place where you are a strong person

117:22but are also Pleasant and sweet and nice and you can do all the things that we want in a civilized conversation without you being weak because that's the other aspect when people lack the stuff side then I don't buy their niess either because it's like you are nice because that's the only thing you can be you don't even have the option not to be nice because you don't know how you don't know what it takes to instead step up and be extra assertive and extra tough you don't have so your niess is not just Choice only mechanism you're like a cat that shows their belly right it's like then is whereas if somebody doesn't have to be a way and chooses to be a way then I bite then it's then it's legit because you're choosing that right right if someone is generous because they want to be generous not because they have to be generous yeah it's a it's a strange fine line what why I was

118:15why I've been focusing on this and and obsessed with this lately is uh I gotten this weird idea my head not not necessarily weird but this uh inescapable thought about human beings domesticating themselves with supermarkets and that supermarkets are in many ways a lot like serving a cat a bowl of cat food every day yep and that in removing the equation of having to go out and cut the wheat and pick the vegetables and kill the animals that you eat and instead just show up the supermarket buy a throw it in the cart that what we've done is we've developed like a system of domestic and the supermarket or the fast food restaurant or what wherever you're getting your food in a lot of ways serves the same purpose that a master does to a pet and that we we're slowly domesticating the human animal in that way I think there's a lot of parallels there and that's one of the reasons I

119:11also I think why people get angry even people that eat meat when they find out that people hunt yeah I think that it's they're reacting to this path that they're on and it's a path of Dem mation even if it's irrational even if they eat meat and I've had the most irrational which is people that are strict vet vegetarians or vegans but they have animals they feed meat to it's like yeah yeah that doesn't no I know man it's a lot of this stuff make no sense it's just like the It doesn't make sense but the rationalizations I feel like they form such a common pattern that you almost have to take into consideration the fact that those those rationalizations May in fact be natural protective mechanisms for this domestication process to take place yeah and I think that as we become more and more peaceful and more and more civilized like I would say and I think

120:04everyone agrees that this is probably the safest time for human beings to live ever well you're a historian you know a lot about history yeah you you would probably say that right yeah I mean when you look at so much of human history there's always the guys from over the hill who are going to come up and Slaughter your family at theop of a DI so now the fact that most people in many countries in the world are not in that situation yeah it's kind of unique that's uh it's awesome it's not something that in most of recorded history you can find evidence of you don't find any evidence right like if you think about like a cruise ship pulling up to your Harbor and a bunch of people get out you welcome them now right strangers from a Strange Land and you're like oh this is great they're going to come over here and they're going to buy my trinkets you know they're going to buy a poncho you know

120:51whereas before they were going to come with swords and kill your family I saw did you watch the TV series Vikings no I didn't it's pretty badass really yeah I like it uh i' never heard anything about it really no it's good it's cinematography Is Awesome The Script is pretty good it's and there's this one scene that I was watching from the third season where there's this group of Vikings standing outside of Paris so you see Paris in the distance all the shape and it's beautiful and you see these pissed off semi naked Vikings with torches and they started to scream it's axe time it's sord the time and you know it's like the preparation to that's what they're screaming it's axe time and it's sord time yeah exactly wow it's hammer time what about Hammer Time exact no I'm already skip stop have a time and uh that's a lot of human history right there that's a lot of human history

121:40people that have and people that have not and they have not show up at the gates yep and they are hungry and they are more motivated than you cuz they are hungry it is amazing that this is one of the only times that we've ever recorded where people show up in places where they don't know anybody and they're welcome y y you're welcome all over the world yeah I know Chris Ryan has um there are many people who have their theory that like way way way in a distant past in hunting and Gathering time people were not more mellow there was less war and then there's the other camp that argues no no hunting and Gathering times were crazy conflict is just it didn't happen that often because there were few people so they don't run into each other that much but and the reality is I don't know who's right I don't think either one is completely right in the sense that I don't think he

122:28was a piece and love scenario because that's not how human beings operate right and I don't think it was uh this model that only states can save you from violence because otherwise everybody's always killing each other I don't necessarily think that's either but clearly I mean we do have evidence that people bash each other brains forever you know for a long time how frequent that was that's the question and there are different schools of thought in that regard and it's kind of hard to come up with a conclusive answer but other than that scenario which is so far in the past that we don't have that much solid evidence on for much of the history that we do have records about yeah people do nasty to each other all the time yeah I think Chris is talking about tribal cultures that live you know indigenous people that live in the jungle and like that I think when

123:16it's resource dependent I think when there's a lot of resources and there's plenty of women to yeah everybody's Chris Ryan also he loves those polyamorous societies he loves who doesn't I mean I agree with you it's like yeah he loves those the concept of uh these cultures that existed that didn't have um they they weren't able to trace lines of male paternity and so the entire Villages would raise children which exists right now in some parts of the world you know I mean that that's that's how some indigenous cultures still operate to this day but yet there's also indigenous cultures like the ones in New Guinea which uh the sperm Warriors of New Guinea which is you know that story right well remind me later I know some insane fighting going on about some what's up with the sperm Warrior awful awful pedophilia they they would take children at a very young age

124:09and make them consume come both in their ass and in their mouth to make you real man yes they call you the the the they leave their parents and go stay with what they call their anus father Jesus yeah there's oh God and they've been doing this for thousands of years this for whatever reason this became a style of living somebody was really into little kids when day said you know what the dog the gods have spoken and this is how you make a real man getting a message from up on high yeah and that's how we're going to do this from now on yeah it's no that's why in fact romanticizing it is silly but at the same time demonizing it is uh and I don't mean this cuz yeah this is up but I mean tribal there's great Stu there there's awful stuff there there's human stuff there right there's the whole spectrum of it all and I do like what Chris is doing in terms of I don't know is historically

125:04100% right in that debate about how cool or not so cool ancient tribal societies where but I do like the where Chris is going with it in terms of what is the we can learn either from the actual history or from something that sound cool that may not exactly have happened the way but it gives us an idea because ultimately who the cares what they did 10,000 years ago it's about what you can do now so that gives you an idea of what you can do now to make life better I don't care whether it really happened or not if it makes life better now I'm happy you know that's a really good point that's a really good point like what what is possible now yeah and I firmly believe now is the best time ever I mean I think we're incredibly lucky to live right now and as long as we don't hit some sort of a natural disaster or someone up and accidentally starts a nuclear war yep I think it's a great

125:54time it's not perfect but there's no there's nothing going to be perfect it's we were talking about just the sheer numbers of humans you know 20 people in an island with three girls 17 men you're going to have death yeah that's a even I don't think one night goes by without you hear China recently um they changed their one child role they yeah yeah like within the last few days really yeah yeah that can go both ways I mean on one and you had whole female in fanticide was up at the other end China growing dramatically in population that's not exactly a good thing either so well how are they going to do it because there's only like 15 girls right exactly you guys up like this idea that you would only have men because the men would be able to take care of you well you you guys threw a monkey wrench in your whole generation like they sure did what a cluster yeah big time oh can you imagine

126:52being a guy and you're growing up there and you're on that island with 17 dudes and three women like what in the I know that's that's a shitty deal right there oh it's got to be the worst trying to get laid as a man in China must be hard yeah I can see how that would not be easy or I would imagine people high school univer you know young males would be pretty pieced off condom shares fall after China abandons one child policy shares companies that make what is that nappies prams and baby milk up what is a na oh I guess like baby stuff up on Friday after Beijing announces plans to change Family Planning laws yeah I just don't know how they're going to engineer their population I mean this was in response to overpopulation that's why they decided to have a one child policy but that's just not good when everybody wants a man yeah exactly that's they didn't think he threw in that scenario

127:48cuz I mean I can see the idea you have too many people too few resources you get up you can't do that but at the same time now he's like okay nobody is going to have baby girls let's all have boys cuz that's what I want and so there's this dumb dad that I talk to sometimes he's so it's I every now and then I get stuck talking to him and he's just like he has daughters and he wants sons and you know like I'm like dude your daughters are healthy like what is wrong with you I have a friend up and be happy who is a child that has like severe autism and all these Terri behavioral disabilities and he's he's a mess I'm like you're lucky you're extremely fortunate you have healthy children in America you're you hit the goddamn Lottery and your dumbass is whining that you don't have a son to play softball with and even then why cuz you can't teach a girl to play

128:40softball cuz it's that's not girly what they don't want to play softball maybe you know the idea that your son is an extension of you is one of the stupidest attachments that some people have you're you're it's a human being it's a human being you're fortunate enough to be the parent of this human being this idea that you're upset that it's one gender or another just shut the up you monkey and that goes back to the stupid stereotypes of masculine and feminine of what it means to be a man or a woman it's like of course there are genetic stuff and there's not that's a given you know there's not even an argument that some of it is nature but then there's also a bunch of it that is nurture and that is also how you raise and somebody may have a tendency going one way but if you teach them and you can balance it out in other ways you know it's like to me even the most

129:26interesting people are the ones have both that have you know the stereotypical sensitivity from the supposed to be female but they are also tough and who the hell said that being emotionally sensitive is only for women or that being tough is only for men I get bored with both people unless you have both unless I can relate to you on multiple levels it's boring it's like it can be for sure like the typical girly girl is like Jesus I'm I'm out of here in 3 seconds it's like it's like this is killing it's so boring but also the typical guy who breaks a beer bottle off his head burping watching football that's not exactly okay that's great for about 10 minutes and then I'm out you know it's to me is like develop human beings that are strong and sensitive what the hell is wrong with that idea you know it's like yeah that's why one of the biggest problems growing up is if you're stuck

130:20in a neighborhood if you're stuck in a neighborhood and the people in your neighborhood are all stupid and there's no one interesting to draw from there's no one to find that you can relate to like I remember being a kid and uh you know you have a few good friends that you really enjoy hanging out with and when they weren't around you would hang out with dummies and you be like oh my God it's so taxing if you if you have the wrong if you just by a roll of the dice find yourself in a neighborhood where people are prejudiced or ignorant or aggressively ignorant or aggressively Prejudice you could just have a terrible time you just want to stay home and be locked in your environment and I think until the internet came around that was the biggest issue in children growing up you're a subject to your environment or a victim of your environment sometime a product of your environment that's why

131:09even what we're doing right now the idea that somebody in Sweden can download and listen to What's happen that's fre I mean I would have Lov to grown up with that possibility listening into conversation so that I'm not trapped into the immediate world that is in the few miles for where you are born and when you're raised but you got access and then you realize well there are people out there who have different way of thinking other than I mean think about even when TV came around and somebody in the middle of United States in a town of 5,000 people suddenly could see people who look different hear a different conversation must have been the most freeing thing in the world unless you're were black and you're like where the are all the black people yeah they're all white until sord and Son came on the air like what in the there's got the Jefferson finally

131:59but isn't that funny that like in the 1950s all the advertisers all the programmers thought in order to attract people we need to make the content as not controver like the most uncontroversial thing possible we make it very Square we make it very safe no sex no violence we make it no and you see what we are attracted to today is like 180 completely it's like give me Spartacus with you know orgies and violence and that you know yeah that it's suppression right yeah like the Rea that's also interesting like advertisements like advertisements today like uh on the internet like podcasts here is a perfect example no one has ever when I do podcast ads say don't swear or don't say something up I I say up things sometimes in these ads because I'm winging it but as long as I'm not saying something when I say up things are obviously jokes as long as I'm not saying anything

132:58that's actually racist or homophobic or sexist or anything like that people are fine with it and you could never have one of my ads on a television show oh no way but the people that watch a television show are the same people that are going to download a lot of podcasts exactly like if like someone's listening to Howard Stern in the morning right and they're hearing all this crazy that's the same person that might watch The Big Bang Theory or America's Got Talent at night and it's squeaky clean well it's the same human being yeah exactly but for whatever reason they decide that this human being can't accept it in you know in this form but can accept it in that form right like you might you know you might watch something that's totally squeaky clean and the advertisers are but the same person might go to a rated R movie and watch crazy violence and death and some horror film

133:52it's it's weird what we decide people can and cannot be subjected to cannot be exposed to especially with nudity oh where like if you show any kind of nudity automatically is the highest possible restriction cuz that's going to up your brain right if you see a boob now you're going to be screwed for life it's like really that's what you're scared to show your kids well do you remember Vincent Gallow no was Vincent Vincent Gallow that's his name right Vincent gallow the actor that's his name right isn't it Vincent Gallow he he was a very um respected actor like a really intense guy and he did this movie he produced it and started in it called I think it was called brown bunny and it was with this chick Khloe sangi I don't know how the you say her name sengi very good actress excellent actress but they had a real sex scene in the movie and in this in the movie she sucks as

134:43like she really blows him and he comes in her face and on her mouth and it's real and people were furious people that went to see the movie hated him and they were Furious and it tanked his career I mean tanked his career never even heard of that that's crazy well he's done some stuff since then but not much and he's done like some vodka ads like some V vodka commercials but before that he was like this guy that was like this go-to guy if you wanted this like really intense character and he's a very good actor and just like a you know a guy who just decided look I'm going to take crazy chance like look we have these Quinton Tarantino movies where guys are getting their ears cut off where they're taking these crazy Chances with violence and Pulp Fiction where the guy gets shot in the head and the brains splatter all over the back seat and there's all these

135:33racial slurs being thrown around by white people to black people this is all fine but a guy getting his sucked in a movie where you you could see like if she dropped down to her knees and you only saw the back of her head and she was sucking his that would be okay then it's fine ex be I know but to see his actual in her actual mouth for whatever reason people like no way that's it for you dude we're done yeah that's yeah that th me out I always find it so weird meanwhile everybody wants their dick sucked yeah if you have a dick you want it sucked it is the one universal truth because even if you're gay right you want it sucked by a guyes anyway if you're straight you want it sucked by a girl everybody loves they're amazing it's one of the greatest inventions that anybody ever figured out was that if someone sucks your dick it feels fantastic but to watch it in a movie is somehow

136:24horrifically offensive totally consensual we're not watching rap we're watching a totally consensual sex act in a movie meanwhile the same people that were offended probably watch porn right of course but as long as the windows are closed and the shades are shut and the doors closed and no one can hear them then they can they can jerk off in their hypocritical world and they think it's okay I don't remember if I mentioned that to you before or not cuz I always it's cracks me up so much but there was a study in Neva no in Utah a few years ago where uh cuz the stand the way the Supreme Court had set up the obscenity laws they basically said that it boils down to the standards of the community of what the community find obscene or not and so in ut they were saying well we are a very conservative community so we uh we want all the hotel chains in Utah to not be able to allow to use porn

137:15they cannot sell you know it's like porn is the number one thing on the pay-per-view in hotels you're like no because it offends the standards of our community so then they did this research and found out that porn consumption in Utah is actually way higher in most other places under the F what people say and what people do are completely different sometime and that's what I find it goes back to that thing about being comfortable in your own skin to me it's like look you like porn embrace it just accept it it's who you are as long as you're not killing people as long as you're not doing anything horrible to other human beings AC don't put forward this image of what you think you should be when you're not that person if you're not the person there's a reason why it probably is not that healthy for you it's not the way you're built to be it's not there's something there that deal

138:05with the reality you know deal with where you're at and if you want to change yourself then take a few baby steps away from that but start accepting the fact that this is who you are this is what you like this is what you don't then if you decide you want to change you can work on the edge you're not going to change dramatically you don't change the Ence of who you are but you can you know smooth the edges if you really really want but that never happens unless you start with realizing what it is that you are and you stare at it and accept it for what it is you know it's interesting too because I think that a lot of what people are worried about is other people's perceptions of them and those same people are shielding their own reality from other people worried about their perceptions they might all be into the same thing exactly you exactly there's

138:51um uh the book I sent you the other day one that I left coming up I sent it to oby a while back and he was uh reading through and one thing that he was cracking up about is like man you have zero filter you know it's like the stuff you say about what you think what you that's not the kind of thing that most people would admit to you know that's the kind of stuff that it's uh especially most people who are professors right yeah never mind that exactly that's a big one in your world right yeah where does this image of how we are supposed to be and to me it's like that's such it's like be be a human being how about that do you feel extra freedom because you have podcasts and because you can you can express yourself through that and you can actually make money doing that too so it's it's you have these other outlets for expression yeah I mean I think I realized I had this really

139:42stupid idea for a long time that I could get a regular gig in Academia as a good serious professor and then I could have all to the space to do all the other stuff and then I realized I this was actually I remember being in my office one day after the realization that most academics don't like me sink sun in and most academics don't like you yeah why not um because um a students like me which if they don't like them that means oh you must be too easy or too something or so the fact that I get along very well with students and that's not always the case with them that's usually a strike against me and also when I was having this why is it that I don't like me I don't understand I kind of step outside and SE it from above and it was I'm in my office hours I'm playing &m in my office and I have around my neck are strapped the gloves that I just used to spar with one of my

140:37students during a break in my hand is my medical marijuana renewal and I'm wondering but why don't they like me I don't understand that I'm just like well if they like you there would be something weird you know it's like what do you expect they are who they are and that's fine that's the way it is but you can't expect to be just because you're polite and you open the door for people and you're that's nice but you're still a very different animal from what they are and so of course they're not going to embrace you as one of their but there's a few guys like I bet you and dadus Russell If you were on the same staff get along great sure sure there's a few there's there's people out there that are no absolutely and in fact I'm not saying all people all academics are all equally stiff boring gel that's not the case there are some very cool people but the culture the general culture of what

141:27you're supposed to fit in is it's a very stiff one do you feel like I mean you've been a professor for a while do you feel like the the culture is Shifting um the culture outside of Academia shifts a lot faster than the culture inside of it I think like all institutions they tend to be the last places to change it's like when every body else gets to accept something then maybe they will it's kind of like politics you know where's like after 99% of people in us will be Pro legalization of marijuana then some politician will say we'll do this really daring thing and try to you know it's not going to start from the inside CU it's any establishment is built on keeping the status quo so that's now where so a lot of if anything a lot of Academia I'm scene is becoming more and more bureaucratic there's more of a do measurable see things do stuff that everything can be accounted for so we

142:23don't get sued make sure to do there's a lot less flexibility and allowing people to kind of run the show as they like it because they're like what if somebody runs it the wrong way and then we get S which sure that is a concern but you're also eliminating the possibility of people doing cool things in the process and so I don't know I don't see I don't see tremendously good changes in that regard what about the the changes in as far as uh po iCal correctness or the the ideologies on campus they seem to be more extreme and more leftwing now than they have at any time in the most recent history at least obviously I'm not in school but from people that are reporting on it and professors that I've interviewed I know I'm confused on that because honestly I hear about it a lot I read it in the newspapers I hear about it from other people telling me I don't see it in my experience you know the

143:16whole extreme level of political correctness is not one that I have to that I witness a lot I get to do what I do I say what I say nobody gets pissed off nobody y me over it it tends to be fairly in their regard there's still a little bit and I don't see my students getting offended at everything the way you would read based on websites and all of it I'm not saying that that doesn't exist I'm sure it does I mean it must be based on something I just don't think it's quite as either I'm extremely lucky for some reason or is not quite as pervasive as uh it sound but I don't know CU you know of all I know is my experience and that may not be representative of what's out there it's also probably indicative of the sheer numbers of people that are in school it's like did you ever see that old Bill Hicks bit Bill Hicks had this really funny bit about CNN about how you

144:07every time you turn the news murder death rape pitbulls and he goes and then you go look out the window and you hear chirp chirp chirp chir he go where the all this happening yeah but I think just the sheer numbers of human beings that are in school if you're dealing with you know how many millions of kids are in school I don't know how many there are but out of those you're going to be able to cherry-pick some extreme examples of social justice Warriors political correct thinking you know um Progressive thinking run a muuk it's diversity run a Muk I think that's what going on I think there's that makes for a story that people are going to read and got all pissed off about whereas you talk about the is the same as why we like War you know it's that it's the extreme out there kind of thing that makes people emotionally involved in the story you report it and people get into

145:02it whereas if you really talk about what a lot of the time happens is not that glamorous and so it's not as reported have you had any backlash at all from doing like controversial podcasts cuz you know you don't you don't hold back no definitely not one thing that I think helps is that probably these are not the same people who listen to podcast or care or they probably this is how good it is I was in a history department meeting I won't mention the school not that it makes my difference because it's the same thing probably 99% of them but they were talking and this is like 30 people or whatever many people who are historians who that's what they do right and when I mention Dan Carlin Hardcore History nobody knew what I was talking about and I'm like are you kidding me you know it's like you are historian that's the number one History Podcast out there is one the top podcast

145:57period of any kind it's amazing the guy is a god at playing this game and you haven't even heard of him like you didn't even bother checking what's that tells me that you're so locked in a tower out there that you have no idea what's I was blown away I mean even I was surprised and they have generally bad feelings about Academia to begin with and I was that was to much even for me how do someone in the world of history not find out about that that seems like it's such a revolutionary way to distribute history yeah precisely but that tells you how insulated the word is where it's about what's in the footnote on page 357 of the monograph that has been read by four people they may know about but yeah the it's weird that weird world yeah but you know that weird world is what got people to this age today where we can do things like hardcore history I mean it was all created by the

146:50knowledge that was taught through schools and then did bring that up in one of his podcast where he say look in the past the history was a bit more holistic in nature where good historians were also good storytellers and they may have not been quite the same level of researchers but they were really good storytellers history has moved more and more in the direction of uh good nerds who hit the library or now you don't have to go to the library you do it online but that are hardcore into research of primary sources and you need it you know of course you need that skill because otherwise you don't have the data to spin a good story about but if that's all the history that's out there you can have the most accurate history in the world and nobody want to hear it cuz these guys can't tell it cuz it's dry you need both you know you need the hardcore researcher with dicks out

147:38little tid bits here and there and then you need the ones who can spin it in a way them that can communicate with other human beings that people that can make them care that can make them interested that can and these are often not the same people because it requires very different talents you know yeah that's a what what a lot of people say about Neil degrass Tyson as well that he's uh he's such not just a a brilliant man but a brilliant Communicator like that his real skill is in making it entertaining and exciting and and absorbable abut whereas the the dry lectures that you might listen to from a physics Professor nobody cares it just not get in there for whatever reason but you need that guy sure you need that that desire to acquire that information the problem with Academia is that they' have made that guy the only that's the measuring stick of what a historian is and that's

148:30one side of it it's an important one and I give you that it is an important one but it cannot be the only one because there's a reason why every single one of the best history books I've ever read is always written by a journalist is never written by a historian really because journalist they are paid to know how to tell a story to make it you know the reason why you're paid is because you need to hook a reader in that doesn't have to read that story that makes you want to right then his background was as a journalist you know it's about people who nobody owes you their attention is you intrig them and so they want to pay attention that's that skill most of the people who are professional historians in a traditional sense that Talent is not encouraged it's not something you may have it by luck because that's how you are as a human being but it's not something they are

149:23encouraged to develop as part of being a good historian that's seen as like Ah that's popularizing it that's yeah what's wrong with that to be able to make something accessible to people isn't that the whole point is it funny though that would be shunned popularizing something that's as important as the historical record yep like it's one of the most important things for human human history or for human beings rather is to understand history because then you can learn from the mistakes of the past and then understand the parallels of what's going on in the current time like when you look at the Roman Empire and you talk about the great excesses and how that Civilization crumbled under the weight of its own you know excess you look at us now you go well there's some parallels here these people on scooters in Disneyland I mean it might not be feeding Christians to the Lions but I

150:10mean there's there's definitely some crazy going on right now that they're going to look back on when when you look at the the average American diet and the fact that I was in Disneyland the other day and I told you they're on the scooters but one of the other things is they had to change the boats out in the Pirates of the Caribbean ride body's too big CU people are too big yeah they've they've done this several times they they've had to change the boats and they had to dig a deeper trench on it's a small world because over the years people have gotten heavier and heavier right and they they have to accommodate and they they have to take into account the possibility of 600 lb people wow that's what they're doing now because I saw several 600 plus pound people that are just overflowing on their scooters and they also have to help those people from their scooters onto these rides so these

151:00rides have to be reinforced in in order to take the weight of several people I mean a lot of these rides are like you're supposed to only get two people in the average two people you get two people together you know maybe 400 lb for two people well now you got one person that weighs 600 lb and so this this ride is not really Des designed for this so that's discrimination you've discriminated against our large large citizens I'm got to this is what of the most disgusting stories that I've ever heard or say I told it to dankan Once on my podcast it's so gross but it's since it my wife had told me when she was working in hospital she said oh man I I got pulled over by a colleague they told me this story and it scarred my brain ever since so we'll gladly Scar the brain of everybody listening right now so this couple went in to uh the doctor and they were complaining about how you

151:53know they keep trying to get pregnant and she's not getting pregnant and you know the woman was like probably good 500b something like that just rolls of fat everywhere the whole thing and the doctor was like okay you know let's see what's up let's see what's going on and Le the fat folds left or right and suddenly he realizes oh these people thought they were having sex but based on the residue I'm being here between the fat FS they weren't exactly having sex the guy was the fat FS thinking that he was in when he wasn't and then they were wondering why they were not getting pregnant they should have let him keep the F folds you're real close you're real close keep going I like when they told me that I'm like oh my God my brain I cannot get that out of my brain now forever and every time I feel like that would be a standard move it's just titty fat holds it seems I don't I'm

152:50not shocked at all that didn't even make me feel sick no well these I don't know seen too yeah I think you seen too much the thing about lifting the ffs and finding the residue from all the failed attempts it seems I don't know see I was thinking that they were going to find a fetus in there I was thinking you were going to say that they gave birth realize that's even okay yeah you win I can see why that's what I was thinking was no that's that's better I give you that how was someone who that fat think they're going to take care of a child I don't know you know when the little toddlers start running around like how you going to what are you going to do get your scooter and chase him around the park right well you probably Stu them with food day and night they'll sit next to you and be 200 pounds by the time they're three or old I've talked about this a bunch of times on the show

153:34but in the you know at the possibility of uh overindulging this thought I've I stopped eating sugar well I didn't stop but I cut it I cut it out completely for two weeks and then I cut it way back since then and I will occasionally every few days or so allow myself one thing like a piece of I like this chili mango you know mango with chili that a sugar in it but very very little sugar I lost like eight pounds from that just doing nothing but that working out the same amount my energy levels completely different like through the day I I don't need I don't get tired towards the end of the day anymore I just it just stayed normal it's weird that's our nature is up cuz sugar tastes so damn good and yet it's so bad for you well it's supposed to tastes good in the form of fruit because it comes with the reward of vitamins and fiber and all this other good stuff that's in Fruit but we have

154:27somehow another hijack that and extracted it from the fuit and shoved it into a liquid that comes in a nice aluminum can you pop the top and you get that corn syrup deep into your heart y but the average American diet is just overflowing with sugar and these poor people are just becoming bigger and fatter and corn syrup and simple sugars and they're just overwhelmed with this excess sugar and it's that's the I think that's the primary issue that people have when it comes to weight loss sugars and and simple sugars and carbohydrates and and uh you know simple carbs like pastas and Breads and all that stuff which converts to sugar alcohol which converts to Sugar it's all that you know probably there's also sitting on your ass forever never moving CU I mean I see how like when I go back to Italy I see how people eat and people eat monstrous amount of pasta right you're like how

155:28are you even and yet you see them and skinny most exactly it's like sh if you see me what I eat when I have pasta it would be like really you're hitting half the box of the whole thing like yeah easy and I feel actually pretty good I can go for more you know it's like do they have the same wheat in Italy that's where I have the question marks clearly something is different there you know something is not cuz you cannot if it was just the carbs then that would should do it then everybody should be huge and that's that's not the case so something is going on I mean I've seen it even with uh like if I eat tomatoes in Italy versus tomatoes out here tomatoes in Italy are awesome tasting and they are feeling you know you eat some Tomatoes you feel like that can be a big chunk of your lunch right there I eat tomatoes here I feel like I'm drinking water in a red package they

156:17taste like nothing and they don't feel me and I'm like it's theoretically the same fruit but clearly something has been done different in the way they have been GMOs man I don't know what but iied man no idea why or what but clearly the result is different well selective breeding I mean they they've selectively made these Tomatoes a much more hearty tomato that doesn't taste very good right they've bred out all the juiciness because they don't last like I have some heirloom tomatoes at home I just bought them the other day they're already really soft right I got to eat them tonight but and I think people are lazy and they don't go grocery shopping often enough and so he's like I want to buy tomato today the last three weeks from now it's going to look just as new and the fact is well that's it's going to look new but you have no nutrition and no taste what's really in the shipping the

157:04shipping is the big issue like being able to get them across the country in a a big truck but the heirloom tomatoes I didn't even know they existed until you know 10 years ago or whatever it was when I first had one they're delicious they are that's what a tomato is supposed to be like exactly it's like we have this rare tomato No that's a tomato right there tomato I hope we don't run out of heirloom tomato seeds I would really cry i' love if we get to a point Someday I'm hoping that with all these like um this is new emphasis on like craft restaurants and craft breweries and craft you know like people are really into like Farm to Table restaurants there's a lot this is a great one near me and they have uh I get eggs there and the eggs have like a dark orange yolk just like my eggs and the the food is all from a local farm and they'll tell you like what farm

157:56they're sourcing their beef from it's a great little restaurant great great but I'm I'm hoping that with that sort of trend that more and more people Embrace that and then we'll keep the idea alive of you know real natural foods yeah I even like sorry no no it's okay I was going to say but you know and other in other ways like things like golden rice like genetically modified rice that is much higher in protein that's helped a lot of people kept a lot of people from starving no I'm all for people having choices is like the thing I don't like is when one model become the the only model that you don't let anybody else have a choice well there's a problem there is like if Andes I don't even care which one is winning the point is if you start having a one model only there's a problem there MH so you do have the people who want none of this and we outlow it or the opposite is like we're

158:47going to saturate the market so much then we squeeze every other possibility out both of those are shitty choices you like you want to allow as much Choice out there as possible and in a way that doesn't squash all the other possibilities you know what I read recently I thought I thought was really interesting is that McDonald's is apparently hurting like really badly and that their profits are down radically from like 20 years ago and that they're thinking that eventually that model of really shitty food fast food is going to be gone and they're going to be replaced by things like in andout Burger which is delicious they cook it to order takes a little bit more time but it's infinitely better exactly and that these Five Guys places like that that's the new model and then that's what you're going to get and then the idea is like have you been to LAX recently have you been flying

159:38well one of the things you notice if you go to LAX is the restaurant choices have gotten dramatically better like you can get really good food at the airport now like really cool restaurants they're not and like this is a brilliant idea they have a there's a food truck there one of the uh they have a It's like got a truck of face and then you know there's a little restaurant behind it but the idea is they're going to give you food like you would get from a food truck and so they're they're establishing this new sort of a uh a place to get which used to be like You' get chili you know you'd get like Applebees it was like chain restaurants or McDonald's stuff like that but now you get like a really nice salad you get a kale salad with like real cucumbers and stuff on it and stuff I think people are realizing that just because this is the only way we've had

160:30before that you don't have to have it this way you know I saw this thing um one Anthony Bourdain show was on uh San Francisco and one of the guys that runs this really nice restaurant was going to open up an all vegetarian healthy food option A very cheap place in the tenderloin which is like one of the worst places in San Francisco yeah and the menu was going to vary between $2 and $6 that's it and everything on the menu was between $2 and $6 and they had like a really healthy veggie burger that actually tasted good like bouraine ate one and it's like this is actually I would actually order this and they're going to try to provide healthy semif fast food for people I think that's a great idea I why can't it be done I think and it's not that difficult because a lot of healthy stuff there's The Stereotype that all the healthy stuff is crazy expensive not all of it

161:18it's just a matter of digging in enough and finding things that can be nutritious and not crazy expensive cuz there are those options it's not that simple of oh you need to have Bank in order to hit Healy or you eat cheaply crap yeah there's some of it it's through but not completely there are options where you can eat delicious meals that and I mean you like to cook I've done times where like I'll cook at home and I think about what I just spent and is nothing and it's delicious and this good food and is nutritious and I'm like what's wrong with that plan you know why is that and I think with what you were saying earlier also that intrig me something I've been obsessing a bit the distance that goes from people eating the food to the food being produced and I don't mean just how far it travels but even how disconnected we are I don't care even if it comes from three miles from here I

162:05mean it's better of course but I'm into the idea of people having at least to some degree some contact with the food you eat so you do have a whether it's you know the guy who I remember you had it on the show The of the guy that IM me land did the vertical Woods or whatever they call it you know like that it look like a skyscraper where they put a bunch of trees all over it does that you remember one of his plans now was trying to figure out how to um put on all rooftops put Gardens so that people can have their vegetable gardens even on top of like four story buildings or something that there can be the building Garden that everybody goes now I don't know how it's going to work in terms of that was my tomato you I'm going to kill you but having that idea where it may not be old you're not self-sufficient it's not all of your food but you have some contact with the

162:59food that you end up eating I think everybody should have it to one degree or another and partially it's hard because most people don't have the space the situation to do it in their backyard but figuring out ways on the chip to make that Happ and figure out ways on an architectural standpoint on a multiple ways to try to to make the link between people and eating food a direct on so that people have a sense of where food come from that they raas their own food to one degree or another I think that would be awesome I don't know how realistic that is or how practical but why not take a few steps in that direction figure out how it can be done yeah I mean everyone who has a backyard should have a garden it's not that difficult to grow something Y and just even if you only grow a meal a month just a salad something it's there's something particularly satisfying about

163:52picking a cucumber that you grew chopping it up putting it in a salad cooking a squash that you grew is it's it's really nice it's and I think it's Primal I think it it connects Us in some sort of a way yep appreciate it a lot more that's for sure it's like you remember all the time and energy that went into getting this stuff from this big to and you're like ah this is there's a story behind it my friend Remy Warren was on the podcast yesterday and he has this show on the Outdoor Channel called um uh apex predator and it's all about uh he follows these different animals and tries to learn how they hunt and how they survive and in one of them it was about bears and he had to he tried to forage the way a bear forages and he was shocked by how little you could find to eat like even if you know what you're doing it's hard man and we were talking and he was saying you look

164:48around at all the these plants everywhere we look we see trees and bushes and G but none of it you can eat like why do we grow so many plants well we could just grow food everywhere and I was like I never even thought about that like instead of palm trees like have food trees like everywhere food could you imagine if everyone anywhere you looked everywhere you go there was grapes growing and tomatoes and and and and peaches and why not exactly I agree 110% with that it's like it's how we need to work in that direction it seems like it's totally possible if there's all these bushes and trees every every city street has bushes and trees and but none of them are growing food it's weird makes no sense whatso it doesn't and it's not like those like an apple tree is a beautiful tree like a cherry tree that's a beautiful tree why don't we I don't get it I don't get

165:43it it's strange it's like somewhere along the line we lost the plot yeah a bunch of we don't need that seemed like a really smart concept yeah that's so dumb yeah it's very strange it's it's very strange that we don't have food around us all the time like we have to rely on it getting shipped in in trucks yeah yeah I mean seriously like any major American city or for the matter most cities in the world are this far away like they are one big blackout away from everybody turning into The Walking Dead yeah it's where s get really ugly really quick cuz nobody has any idea how to get food daneli ble do we have to end on a low note like that no let's pick up let's go well we're almost out of time though very little time here left what do you got there what's the book you got oh this is I'm doing research this is a book about kavaj the Italian painter I'm doing uh because I prepare a bunch of

166:36the rech for history on fire I prepare a lot of research ahead because otherwise what Dan Carlin ended up doing is that you do need to have these humongous gaps between one episode and the next to research cuz it takes I was doing the math the other day just cuz I was bored and I figur it take me to produce a 2hour episode for history on fire it takes me probably about 200 hours of work of preparation and research and read the book and take the notes and do this and that so I mean that's a full-time job I can't release episodes often if uh if I'm doing other things so what I did is for the last two years I basically prepared to start history on fire and I've done research so you knew you were going to do this yeah for the last couple of years I've been working at it not all the time you know while I do another thing and but I basically prepare episodes so I

167:22would have the research ready to roll I can just need to record it and that's it so he buys me a little time so I can release episodes every six weeks now until eventually the research catch up with me and I'll be on a d Carling schedule but hopefully I'm so now I'm researching episode nine while I am on still on episode two is out so I'm like trying to you know eventually will'll catch up with me probably won't be that long until catch up with me but until then by delivering episodes on a relatively often schedule I can also hook up more people and by that point they may be more forgiving if I take longer to do the research but uh well it's such an intensive style of podcasting it's really like not just educational but it's like you're you're you're kind of doing a lecture it's like an audio lecture yeah I did uh when I did episode two I was really happy with episode one

168:13I thought kicks us it's good it's everything I wanted that I picture in my mind is coming out I did episode two I listen to it and I'm like this is a b effort you know this is not what I wanted and but I did the whole thing I recorded it over a few days I'm like no come on it's and then I was like you know what it delete let start over you wow you deleted yeah I was like no I don't I don't want to do it specially definitely not at the beginning but in general you know you want did you release it and then delete it I just recorded it I was we're about to put the intro the outro that kind of thing and I was listening I'm like no it doesn't have that punch that I want and um and so I was like no it I'll do so do you do it on an outline or like how do you yeah it's a fairly detailed outline now you don't want to script it because of course then it doesn't sound natural

169:03but you want to have it pretty clear of where you are going and uh so if you have the quotation that you need to quote is right there if you know exactly where it's going so it's semis scripted but then you do it where you can it's kind of like if I deliver a lecture in class you know I'll take a peek of my notes and like oh that's where I need to go next but then you deliver it in a more natural style right and so that's yeah so I'll write a good chunk of notes but then of course you don't read the notes you just have them there as a to keep you on track so that you know where you're going next and I'd be really curious to see if your accent is the Same by episode 9 I honestly doubt it's GNA change cuz again if I could hear it you know actually I got in trouble cuz I said it on your podcast I think the first time I was on your podcast and as a joke I said

169:50you know no I used to speak perfect English I just I'm using it for women right and people took it seriously they thought that I really you pig yeah and by the fact if I could pull that off I actually would do it because it's still if I could get women the way I would do it but it really just I don't hear it you know well you have a green light to do it cuz you're Italian like if I started like if I mov to Italy and I started talking like this then I would be a poser would you're not a poser yeah but the fact is also it would take insane amount of work to change because I don't eat it so I would have to really sit down and just spend forever doing and I'm I got you have the most extreme version of a completely fluent English language that I've ever heard Anthony Bain's wife is from Italy and she has a very strong Italian accent but she's way clearer than

170:44you I mean you and I have been friends for a long time so I know exactly what you're saying what you're saying but if if I didn't know you I'd probably be like what the did he just say there there a flow there a flow to it though and some people have zero problems right most people are like oh no I understand everything you say no problem and then there are people who have no idea of what one word I'm saying I had um I had a friend that were talking on the phone and they're like oh so I'm going to cook tonight and I'm asking what what do you want to eat and I said I don't know what do you said I was thinking of making some salmon and you're like what salmon what salmon sorry I fish oh fish okay great what kind of fish salmon or like cuz of course you don't say that's a well but also you can't put two and two together no but also my pron salmon I'm pronouncing

171:37every single letter whereas in English is yeah exactly thank you that one but I can't you know it's like and no one says salmon yeah right that's not how you say it you're making up words exactly I spell out San that's there is me to be pronounced so you read every single damn letter in English that's not the case and so that's confusing most but there's also some weird things like two C's or an H sure yeah and two L's or a y things get weird yeah that that's the the phonetic differences between the way letters like like that's a big issue obviously with Portuguese to English too with the Brazilians or the RS or hes and everything gets very weird when you try to translate it back and forth well that was one I want I wanted to ask you earlier but I had actually forgotten when we were talking about translating when you're talking about the difference between learning English and seeing how

172:33short and abrupt the sentences are as opposed to like the Italian how difficult is it when they're translating like ancient historical texts it's crazy hard it's crazy hard that's why a lot of translations are it's an art form you know some translators are awesome and who knows if they are really true to the original language but some translators can produce something amazing and some don't it's I love like da Ching you know when you read DM some translations are painful I don't give a it's like this is boring as hell I don't know what they are talking about and you read the next translation is the best book you've ever read and it's like how can that even be but right well there's some sort of an artistic license in the transl translations that's what it is and uh that's that's what it really kind of has to be taken into when you're talking about any really ancient thing that's in

173:22in a language you have to take into account the time that they wrote it the way people communicated back then like even if you read ancient English stuff like the way they talked I mean even just read the Declaration of Independence oh yeah the way people describe things and communicate it's odd it is it's hard to to wrap your head around you know big time yeah it's it's um translation from one culture to another one time period to another and all those combined like ancient Italian literature Translating that into modern American English it's got to be like super bizarre yeah you're kind of rewriting it to some degree it's uh it's a cooperation between the writer and the translator and it's uh that's why when I there were a lot of books that I read in Italian because my English suck and I couldn't really read in English and when I finally got to read them in English

174:12I'm like well that's another book that's completely different there are some similarities but it's a whole different child there's it's not even close yeah I would think that would be the case like absolutely with like the Bible that like to really understand the Bible you would have to truly understand like whatever translation you're getting like Aramaic you would have to like truly understand ancient Hebrew yep but ancient Hebrew is like a real squirrly language anyway right nobody speaks it exactly the way it was so it's kind of there's a lot of guess work of course well this is one of the weirdest ones cuz it's also a number it's a numerical language like the letter a is the number one they don't have numbers the letters served as numbers as well so it's like Words had numerical value good luck Translating that and there's a bunch of words today like there's a debate about what

175:03percentage are still under you know debate right as to like what what it actually means and what it doesn't mean but imagine if you could learn ancient Hebrew like exactly how they did it then you would understand what they were trying to say but but even then you wouldn't understand it unless you were in the context of the culture that existed when like you you had to know how they thought about things exactly that's why most of the time you have to you don't really know what the guy said you are this translation sound better so I'll go with that one but you don't really know which one they meant well that's got to be one of the really most difficult one of the most difficult aspects about history too because it was written by people who decided how they wanted people to remember the turn of events exactly whether or not that's exactly how it went down there are cases

175:53where there's like the Egyptian guy who left the record of like oh we meet the we met the Hittites and we kick their ass and we wipe them out and the Pharaoh is the best and you read the hitti account it's like what that does not look like the same battle they're talking about yeah it's how do you how do you know what the really happened I we have this vague sense of what happened we know like facts Like These people aren't around anymore so somebody killed them yep you know well we found this pile of bones and this is where we think we found Troy cuz this is a spot like man there's a ton of guess work involved in history you know we make it sound like it's this super hard science and you know you want to be as scientific as possible but there's a lot of guest work at the end of the day that's so weird it's so weird that we're trying to piece together the past to

176:42understand how we got here almost like a giant crime scene of the world we're slowly like brushing fingerprint dust on things and trying to figure out where the blood splattered from and what happened what the happened and then you have to go over some that people wrote down you don't know what the hell they were saying you get a bunch of Scholars there's one episode I want to do next that's there's no primary sources is all archaeology and is this guy I don't know if you remember the story that guy that they found the body perfectly preserved from 5,000 years ago up the yeah the ican yeah yeah yeah and it's an awesome story because through archaeology you find out so much you can find out what this guy was eating five thousand years ago what you know all of this stuff and yet ultimately you don't know what the hell it was but there's it's it's the mystery

177:32right you know enough to tease you but just not enough to actually know what was up yeah it's it's amazing though that you can find something like that preserved and at least get like a short window into that time Jamie just gave me the two-minute Mark so we got to wrap this bit it's over baby we just did it three hours my friend this was so much fun flew by flew by I love it every time uh history on Fire Two episodes are available and episode zero as well right like little pilot episode let everybody know what's up and uh anything else got a book coming out next month so early December I have a people can if they're interested they can please we'll tweet about it we'll let everybody know and uh I'll have you back in once the book's out too my brother thank you so much sir thank you all right my friends that's it for this week we'll be back next week till then see you soon byebye bye