Tulsi Gabbard

00:04Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan experience. TRAIN BY DAY, JOE Cheers. Here we go. My friend, this is the second time we have worked out together. I know. I feel great. It was awesome, right? great. It's a great way to get the day started. It was perfect, actually. We do these uh the the comedian uh boot camps. So, we got did it today, we did it with Sean and Derek and Shane, Shane Gillis. And and we have fun. So, you get the workout in and you talk a lot of [ __ ] and you get silly. It's really fun. It's just like real silly. Yeah. You know, we have a good time. Yeah. I uh yeah, thanks for the invite. It was it was I've been on the road for I don't know, for weeks. And so, you know, if you're lucky you get a decent hotel gym, but you got to be really creative. Yeah. Uh most of them the best they'll have

01:01are dumbbells and you know, that's it. Uh realized you're the second celebrity to do that with us and the second Hawaiian. Cuz The Rock did it. Samoan there's something going on with the Samoan pride here. Something going on with the Hawaiians coming here. we'll have to figure out, you know, Max Holloway is Hawaiian and Samoan, too. He didn't work out, though. Max, last time he was here he was just off of his uh his win. he gets a break after that, man. Wow. some time off, bro. that um I was telling you like the sauna I I am definitely like from the islands because I'm okay with heat. Mhm. So, 20 minutes in the sauna it was good, it was challenging, but it was good. Yeah. that ice bath, I've done that like a quick polar plunge briefly, jumping in, jumping out, but And that one was at the lowest setting in terms of the jets of water. Okay.

01:59So, what we have is called a blue cube, and blue cube is uh the type of uh cold plunge that has a It has an engine in it that you can turn on to higher higher levels of waves. So, if you turn it like to the highest level, it's just rushing at you like a river. Is that better or worse? Horrible. Okay. It's horrible because you you never develop a thermal barrier. Oh, okay. So, if you can just like cold all cold water immersion is very good for you. It's good for cold shock proteins, norepinephrine, mood stabilization, makes you feel better. All those things are good. But, the still cold is much more tolerable for whatever I don't know what's better for you. Mhm. See, that's the question. Like, is it better? Is it just as good and more tolerable? Or, is it better to be more to suffer for the full 3 minutes? Cuz if you turn that [ __ ] on

02:50Suffer more. Is the benefit proportional to the suffering is really the question, right? I'm not sure if you suffer more if you get more benefit or if there's a point where you're actually hurting your body. Right. You know, like maybe maybe there's a point I mean, obviously, if you stay in the cold water too long, you'll die. Yeah. That's what hypothermia is. Yeah. So, but there's a level where if you just get a few minutes in, it's really good for you. So, I don't know if it's better if you're miserable. Yeah, right. I don't know. But, if you want to test your mind, that that blue cube is the one to do because that sucker gets fast. That sucker gets like a river. So, you're just laying in there and it's like [ __ ] tub of cold water. The moment it sucks when when you climb in, that moment never changes. That's the difference cuz

03:32in a regular cold plunge, after a while you develop like this thermal barrier, and even though it sucks, it only sucks like 80% of what it sucked when you first got in. With the blue cube, it's 100% suck the whole ride. Sucky, suck, suck, suck, it just sucks. So, it sounds like you got to try it at least once. Yeah. And figure it out. the Just doing it the way you did it for 3 minutes. Like I said, the first time I did it, I did it like a minute and 24 seconds. I was like, "Wow!" I couldn't chicken out in front of all the guys. You know what I mean? It's like Yeah. when his son says, "Well, I did it 3 minutes to show up for the rocks." Like, "Okay, I'm not going to be the one who chickens out at a minute." Yeah. That's not an option. Well, you did it. You did it. it was good. It was good uh it was very challenging. It was good. I We don't We

04:14don't have a We don't have a cold plunge. So, like, okay, I'm not I'm not going to go and like find bags of ice every single day from 7-Eleven and dump in the bathtub. So, I just when I can, I just like dump my face in ice cubes and water. That's good, too. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that'll wake you up. Yep. All that stuff's good. There's some pretty reasonably priced options for coolers that you could actually do in a bathtub now. Mhm. There's There's a bunch of different ways to do it, but if you got the scratch, like one of these Blue Cubes or something similar, Morozko makes a really good one, too. They're really good. Yeah. I can I can see I can see how that feel like the after feeling Yeah. it's kind of addictive. I'm sure someone will reach out to you. Try to Try to get you to use their [ __ ] It's very good, though. But it's it's

05:01also like the camaraderie, the fun. You have fun, listen to music. For sure. Laugh a lot. Exactly. Yeah, this is perfect. Yeah, it's a good way to get a podcast started. Oh, and by the way, congratulations to the marijuana enjoyers of the world cuz the DEA officially rescheduled marijuana to They're going to reschedule it to schedule three. Wow. Which still it should it shouldn't be illegal. Yes. We know that. I agree. But baby steps. Yeah. the fact that it's making progress at all just shows that the you know, there's a collective will of the people is being heard, at least somewhat. There was I'm trying to remember who it was. Somebody was telling me that like the decriminalization crew, they gave an American flag made out of hemp to a member of Congress to fly above the capital cuz it's a normal thing like, you know, I would get people when I was

05:54in Congress calling and saying, "Hey, it's you know, my friend is retiring from the military from 30 years. Can you fly a flag in honor of him or her?" And so you get a little certificate with it and and this like there are many flags that go up and down every day that are given as gifts to people. Uh so someone did it with a flag American flag made out of hemp. And apparently it caused major problems within the DEA and within the administration saying, "How dare you? How could anyone allow this to happen?" It made zero sense whatsoever, but it just pointed to the the backwards mindset and thinking and the sensitivity within the DEA uh and the government around cannabis, hemp, marijuana. seems a massive lack of education, too. It's not as simple as, you know, you're thinking of it in in connection to marijuana. It's hemp is a commodity that has

06:53existed forever. In fact, canvas that writers paint on or that painters artists paint on, that the original word canvas came from cannabis. It was made out of hemp. Interesting. They made hemp paper. It was a better paper. They they made hemp clothing. It's far superior to cotton. The only reason why they This is where it gets weird. It had There's there's there's a bunch of things that took place that took hemp away from being a common source of paper and clothing. But one of them was making slavery illegal. Mhm. Because before they came out with the decorticator, what the primary way they used to process hemp fiber was really painstaking cuz it's a it's an incredible plant. Yeah. It's a very light plant, but it's insanely durable. Like hemp clothing is so much more durable. Like I have a hemp jujitsu gi from Datsumo. And that sucker never rips. My cotton

07:53gi's they're good for like you know, you wear them for like 6 months, a year, they're going to [ __ ] starts going. Even like really strong stable cotton threads start going. These hemp gi's are like they're invincible. It's crazy. And hemp paper is so difficult to tear. It's like a completely different kind of paper. Yeah. Makes no sense. It's an amazing rope. It's like you could use it to make concrete. They make hemp Have you seen that where they make houses with it? Yeah, my my dad is a state senator in Hawaii. He's the chair of the agriculture committee. And for years he's been the state's biggest advocate for hemp as an economic driver and and to try to help revive agriculture in Hawaii. And so he's talked endlessly about the houses and just everything all of the different benefits of hemp. He's got some hemp aloha shirts and and the

08:44whole deal. The the this this thing that you're talking about though the the federal government and the classification is the biggest barrier to this actually becoming a really viable and thriving industry in our country because people are growing crops of of hemp but they've got to go through all of this crazy THC testing. And I've talked to people who are who are farmers and business people who are investing in this and they've had to throw like entire crops away because of I don't know the details about the testing but it it just you know, one plus one doesn't equal two when you look at the reality of the benefits of hemp and the the farming process and the concerns that they have within the DEA. So is the concern if it has any level of THC at all becomes illegal even if you're just processing it as a commodity and you're not using it? Right. Correct.

09:35they understand like it's very valuable as a commodity. This is what's so It's so stupid. This This whole thing is stupid because we're always concerned about and rightly so about cutting down forests to make paper. Right. Right. Well, guess what? Hemp paper you can grow an entire like first of all, it's much more viable. You have much more product. It's much more durable, and you can regrow it quick. Exactly. It just grows right back again. Whereas trees takes years and years to grow them back. Hemp, you got another season. Whoop. Okay, here's a hemp plant. Grows crazy fast, super light, super durable. Yeah. Just got to think about it as a commodity and stop connecting it to marijuana. And you're going, "Well, this isn't valuable." Cuz this could solve a lot of our problems, especially with deforestation. And then if you look at

10:23it for building materials like we This might be the greatest building material we can use. Yeah. It's incredible insulation. It's very durable and strong. And again, renewable. Like instantaneously. It grows so quick. Yeah. What's what's interesting I mean, for us in Hawaii, I mean, what tourism is the biggest economic driver we have. And every time there's, you know, in the post-9/11 when people weren't traveling so much, during COVID, when everything shut down, businesses go out of business. Small businesses are driven out because if they don't have that driver. So, the conversation always comes up about, "Okay, well, we've got to diversify our economy." And this is one of those areas that has huge potential for a small island state like ours in Hawaii. And what's interesting is uh Mitch McConnell, I believe he's from Kentucky. Uh

11:13their state is also a state that is promoting uh hemp as a major agriculture driver. So, there there's opportunity there, but it requires a lot more education uh from those both in the administration and in Congress to actually take down those barriers and allow it to actually truly be an industry in America. When we start first start selling hemp protein in Onnit, We used to have to get it from Canada. Hmm. You can sell it in America. Can't grow it here. I was like, "What?" It's just food. It's just hemp seeds. It's really good for you. It's like full of amino acids and rich in protein. And they're like, "No, can't grow it. That shit's illegal." You know what's nuts, too, is is um the military people who are on active duty in the military, they can't put hemp seeds in their smoothie. They can't use any CBD bomb that you can buy at the freaking gas station or

12:05anything at all because of CBD bomb? Yeah, CBD bomb. Anything that has um your your energy drink that has CBD? Kill Cliff? Cannot. Not allowed. You you could you could seriously get punished. So, if they catch you are caught. Are they testing blood for CBD? They they're not testing blood for CBD. So, it's just illegal. So, if you get caught with the product. If you get caught with the product, correct. And that their fear is like you're going to piss hot because you know, you take the you know, random urinalysis tests and everything else. But it it So, so that I I laughed, you know, I mean, again, it's lack of education, it's fear, and it's like, "Well, this is bound by the federal government, so the military must comply." But at the same time, the guy within the army, the civilian who was putting out this policy um he also said

12:55you're not allowed to eat anything with poppy seeds. You can't eat a poppy seed muffin. I was going to bring Because you might piss hot. Well, you will, yeah. You will. Like you you can go to Dubai and they'll if they you go places where it's like seriously strict, Saudi Arabia, they'll test you for heroin. It'll you'll test positive for heroin. Yeah. Unreal. Poppy seeds are rough. That's a scary one. It's like, "Wait a minute. Bagel poppy seeds?" Right. Those things make you piss hot for heroin? Lemon poppy seed muffin? What? you if you go in for a drug test, do not eat poppy seeds before you go. It's crazy. Like, "What? Bagels?" How bad is your test? Right. How the point. Technology, biology, like all this stuff. You guys can't get a better test. This is so stupid. You're going to put somebody in a cage for eating a bagel? Yeah, but like for a guy in the

13:43military, that could be the end of your freaking career. Yeah. Yeah. You'd be kicked out for it. And, you know, just being at a party and people are smoking. And, you know, you get secondhand smoke and you'll test positive. You know, those those tests are probably pretty rough because people definitely get high from secondhand smoke. I've seen it happen before. I've seen sober people go into a room that's filled with pot and everyone comes out like a little loopy. Like, you're breathing in the same air. You're breathing in pot air. I used to have a dog that I got she was a stray and she was a little prone to anxiety as it is. And if she was in the room when people smoked pot, she would get high and she'd get paranoid. She'd start hiding under tables. I was like, "Oh, Lucy." Lucy was sad. Not good. She didn't get the chill factor.

14:30She was like, "The world is dangerous." You know, she used to live on the street. Man. So, it's just I guess it's a good thing that they've scheduled it schedule three. But, for sure, forget about the drug part. They should be encouraging hemp production in this country. It's it's an amazing food source. Hemp has all of the essential amino acids. It's very rich in protein. It's easily digestible. As far as like plant based protein for me is my favorite one and the easiest one to digest. Like, it you just like easy. It goes down smooth. There's no problem at all. And, you know, it's it's very good for you. Yeah. And CBD's very good for you. But, forget about all that. Just this for a commodity and for building construction and clothing. Do you know the first draft of the Declaration of Independence was written on hemp? I've heard that. Yeah.

15:23Yeah, like it was used for everything. It was used for ropes for for sailboats. They made sails out of it. All that's the canvas that's all made out of canvas initially. It was all hemp. It's just it's it's just I mean I I introduced legislation in Congress to deschedule it completely because it shouldn't be. Well, the wildest thing is how it happened in the first place. The wildest thing how it happened in the first place is because it was all William Randolph Hearst and Harry Anslinger. And so what happened was William Randolph Hearst who owned Hearst publications, he also owned not just newspapers, but he owned paper mills and he owned forests. So he had all these forests that they would cut down the wood and use it to make paper. Well, he if if they were going to transfer over to hemp, this is going to be very costly. And the cover of Popular Science

16:13magazine in I think it was 1930 Find out what year that cover was. It says hemp, the new billion-dollar crop because they came up with a new machine and it was called the decorticator. And this new device was a device that allows you to effectively process the hemp fiber in a much quicker and easier way. So it's this machine that grinds it up. And so once they do this, they go, "Oh boy, we figured out we they've solved this problem of hemp where it's really it's very durable, but it's really difficult to break down to the actual fibers." So 1938. Oh, wow. So this comes out in 1938, hemp the new billion-dollar crop. And so it's the cover of Popular Science magazine. Do you see this Do they have the cover so you can see what it says? This is an article actually. Oh, just an article? Today about this somewhere about hemp. Oh, wow. Popular Mechanics magazine, I'm

17:00sorry. So So the article's from 1938. And so when they come out with this, they talk about this new invention. See if you can find a photo of the decorticator cuz it's like this grindy kind of thing. Is that what it looks like? Hemp, the new billion-dollar crop. So, once they had this ability to really quickly turn it into fibers, then big industry starts getting involved. And um what what they start doing is they start making these stories and putting them in the newspaper about Mexicans and black people smoking this new drug called marijuana and raping white women. Mhm. And marijuana was not pot. Marijuana was uh um wild Mexican tobacco. It was a slang for a wild Mexican tobacco. Really? nothing to do with marijuana. So, they start attaching this name to something and calling it a drug because they knew that cannabis was so ubiquitous. Mhm.

18:02And and hemp as a as a commodity was everybody knew it what what it was good for. Right. So, they had to come up with some sneaky way to get it through. So, they come up with the word marijuana. So, marijuana was not a term for pot. It wasn't a term for cannabis. It was a term for this wild Mexican tobacco. Mhm. And so, when they started making marijuana illegal, Congress didn't even understand that it was the same thing as hemp. And so, they had to come up with some sort of a tax stamp that you can have in order to grow hemp while marijuana is illegal. And then this is like right after prohibition, people. Like, sick 'em on the farmers now. Exactly. is what happened. Exactly. And then they come up with these dopey movies that are amazing to watch today. Have you ever seen Reefer Madness? Mhm. It's crazy. It's like people smoking pot

18:55and just jumping out of windows and killing people. It has this guy smoking pot. Talk about some propaganda. Oh, it's the worst propaganda, but it was really effective. Like this is it. I've got a few of these uh posters Weird. have them I have them uh framed. Oh my gosh. Because these movies were insane and they were just full-on Wow. movies. sorrow, hate, shame, despair. Find the movie. Find a clip from the movie Reefer Madness. We just watch it without playing it, but it's it was so nutty. Like and they scared everybody. Like, "Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god." So, understand that media has sucked forever. Yeah, exactly. Just understand that. So, this is Reefer Madness. at the local soda fountain. Innocently they dance. So, that dude on the piano, he's a reefer man. lurking behind closed doors. Marihuana, the burning weed with its roots in hell.

19:54Look at him. In this film you will see the ease with which this vicious plant can be grown in your neighbor's yard, rolled into harmless-looking cigarettes, hidden in an innocent shoe or watch case. In this startling film you will see dope-sters lure children to destruction. We're going over to Joe's place. Why don't you come along? We have a date to play a set of doubles. Oh, you can play anytime. Come on, we'll have some laughs. Can I go along with you? Sure. Hey, I'll see you at dinner, sis. If you want a good smoke, try one of who once took pride in his strong will as he takes the first step toward enslavement. Smoking the soul-destroying reefer, they find a moment's pleasure, but at a terrible price. Debauchery, violence, murder. Oh. Wow. Look, she's just going to jump out the window. Oh my gosh. Apparently it makes you act terrible, too. Right.

21:14She's actually playing pretty good for someone who's stoned. Yeah. You know, imagine being hammered and try to play that. Oh my gosh. Yeah, so this was the propaganda from and what year was that, Jamie? 36. 36. So, this is all they're all like trying to stop hemp as a commodity. Wow. That's really what it's all about. Yeah. It's really not about the drugs. just to see just, you know, the repetition of the the propaganda information warfare to be able to serve a a special interest. Yeah, it's ridiculous and it's ridiculous that it's always existed. and Yeah, and that it was going on almost 100 years ago. Yeah, incredible. what's also important about it is the problem with something like that is that now you don't trust the media, right? Now, if you don't trust the media and then you go out and try it yourself, you don't have real accurate information cuz

22:04now there's like this there there's there's these narratives that have been created that aren't based on truth and so you don't know where to go. You don't know what's real and what's not and then you have people that tell you it's harmless and then you have people tell you, "Well, there's people like me that go, Yeah. Cuz I'm like, "It's not harmless. It's not Marijuana is not a harmless thing. You definitely shouldn't take it when you're young." And here's what's really important. Some people can't handle it for whatever reason and it's most likely some biological thing just like some people are allergic to aspirin or or whatever. Like there's some people they don't mix well with that stuff and there's a real connection between schizophrenia with some people that maybe are percep- susceptible to schizophrenia. Alex Berenson wrote a a

22:45great book about it called Tell Your Children. It's very interesting because there's real instances of people taking high doses and getting schizophrenic. Yeah. But if we we're being lied to about it, you no one knows what who did right who's going to give me the information? Where is the truth coming out? Because there if one group is saying that this is a schedule one chemical and it's very dangerous and then all your friends are just smoking weed and going to the movies. You're like, well, clearly this is not that dangerous. Like jujitsu people and surfers, they're all getting high. Like what's real here? Yeah. And because we don't have the ability to just honestly talk about things without everything getting so weird and like like the hemp thing. Like having a hemp flag. Like this is a problem with the DEA. Exactly. don't you have fentanyl to worry about?

23:35Why are you [ __ ] with flags? Seriously. It makes no sense. 10,000 DEA agents. I think there's 10,100 something DEA agents. You You guys got time for flags? Yeah. How many pounds of fentanyl is coming through that border while we're talking? While you and I are talking, how much fentanyl is making it across in people's shoes and underwear and where the [ __ ] they're hiding it? No one's checking everybody. Yeah. No, it's true. It's uh And then of course the all the medicinal qualities of CBD as well and and how many It's crazy stuff. kids and and just people are benefiting from that. Well, Dave Foley told me that he his arthritis was so bad that his his fingers were kind of like locked in this position. He had a really hard time straightening them till he started taking the CBD. Then he's like, it's so much better now.

24:22Wow. Just like my fingers have full range of motion now. Yeah. I know so many people that take it for like aches and pains and and it actually helps some people with anxiety, too, which is interesting. The conflict here is as you know, you know, as majority of states in the country have legalized it in some fashion, whether it's medicinal or recreational or whatever, all these different levels, but because of the federal um prohibition essentially, you know, you've got banking it is a multi I don't know, multi hundred million dollar industry at least at this point, but in order to be able to conduct business with a bank, the bank and the business owner faces potential uh a potential federal charge of a crime. And so it's you know, the the the second, third, fourth order of effects of this scheduling of cannabis is is very very far-reaching and and creating

25:17a worse problem which you know, is you know, okay, what do we do this on the black market? Does this just become a cash industry or where does this go? Yeah, and the problem also is by having some states have it legal and some states have it illegal, then you still open up a market for illegal sales in the country and what happens is the cartel comes in and they start growing it on public lands. I had a guy on the podcast name is John Norris and he started off as a game warden. So he started off as a guy who's going to check fishing licenses and stuff. And one day they find that a stream has been diverted and they're trying to figure out why why the stream has dried up. So they make their way up the stream, they find these this irrigation system is set up for an illegal marijuana grow up in the middle of public land in California.

26:06So then they develop a tactical team. So it goes from being him being a game warden, now they have dogs and bulletproof vests, they're getting in shootouts with the cartel. Jeez. So they're cuz they're making millions of dollars, but they're using really dangerous chemicals and pesticides that are illegal to use on crops in America. Right. And they're just using that [ __ ] up there. So who knows what the [ __ ] you're getting if you're living in one of these states that has illegal pot. Yeah. Because when California changed the law and made marijuana legal recreationally, they made growing marijuana without a license, it's just a misdemeanor. So these guys that are just doing it now from the cartel, they're like, this is you have nothing to risk. Right. You're just it's a misdemeanor and we can make millions and millions of dollars.

26:48Yeah. And so they have these guys up there, they have like, you know, rosaries and all this like photos of Jesus and [ __ ] they find in campgrounds and they they pay these guys to go out there, grow this stuff and then bring it out. Jesus. Harvest it and bring it out and they're selling it. He said that I think believe John said at the time of our podcast that 90% of all the marijuana that's being sold in the states where it's illegal is all from these grow-ups, a lot of them in California on public land by the cartels. Mhm. 90%. Yeah. 90. That's huge. Even good old-fashioned American pot growing entrepreneurs, the illegal ones, they can't keep up with the cartel. And this is because it's illegal. And this is the same reason why fentanyl's coming in. The same I mean don't do heroin, kids. Okay, but it should you can't if you keep everything

27:40illegal, you're going to just prop up the government of these company of these countries that is allowing this stuff to come in and they're allowing people to grow it or they can't do anything about it because the cartel has so much money and so much power that the government is basically helpless. And you're it's being propped up by Americans. At 100%. 100%. 100%. It it's a it's a rough thing to deal with because we don't want to say like oh let's make all drugs legal cuz my god, the last thing you want is your kid to die of a drug overdose. So nobody wants ever kids to be doing drugs. Right. But also, if you don't do that, you're just going to empower our neighbors to the south who happen to be drug dealers, some of them, and they they they're making billions of dollars selling drugs to America. And you're killing kids at a rate higher than ever in recorded

28:33history. People are dying, there's 100,000 plus people every year that are dying from opioid overdoses, which is nuts. Yeah. That's so much. It's crazy that it's happening here in the United States of America. And the thing is it's this is where it's hard. It's happening because it's illegal, which just sounds so counterintuitive. It would The The problem is, if it was legal, there would be a long period of time where it'd be really bad. You know, I think if it was legal, too many people would try it that wouldn't try it. Wouldn't have otherwise. Yeah, they're not going to go to a drug dealer. But if they just go to the CVS and buy heroin, like, let's see what the fuss is all about. Yeah. You know? That's spooky. I think that this this is the conversation that needs to be had, though. You know what I mean? It's I mean, it's the same thing about people

29:25unwilling to even discuss what what is the right path? How do we How do we handle um this this crisis that is a national crisis that's taking so many people's lives. people not to do it. Yeah, right. Okay. Okay. It's like I don't know. Well, that that works out. work. It doesn't work. And And it's uh that's we're in a weird spot. I was in uh San Diego a few weeks ago. We went out um kind of to to film a little mini documentary about what's happening at the border in San Diego. There's a lot of attention being put on, you know, Texas and Arizona, but California's border is a whole different dynamic, both because they've got, you know, a long stretch of border where you're you're crossing in and you're going straight to mountains, you know, big open spaces, but then you've got the very dense urban uh corridor, I suppose, uh where people,

30:21whether they're coming in through the water or they're just coming across the border, where they can disappear into neighborhoods very quickly. But uh What What was there There's a few things that were very eye-opening and interesting. Number one is we we know that the borders are open because we know how many people are coming through. The numbers that are being reported, I think it's close to 9 million now, just over the course of the Biden administration. What I saw there were um people coming in and we were just driving around and we saw groups of people gathering in different locations from all over the world, illegal immigrants, and uh seemingly happy and going to the place where they were told to go or they knew that border patrol was going to pick them up. And knowing that they will get processed, claim asylum, and most of

31:09them will be out with a plane ticket anywhere in the country uh within 24 hours. And so It it's it's I you know, and I've talked to some of the border patrol agents and and you know, they're they're not allowed to say anything on the record, but just the frustration that's being felt where they can't even do their job. What is the justification for the plane ticket? Uh they don't have the They don't have the ability to house people where they are. So you just like Where do you want to go? Utah? Okay, here you go. Where do you want to go? New York City? And I went and I talked to a lot of them. I sat down and talked with people from Brazil, from Egypt, from uh Colombia, from Venezuela, from um you know, different parts of Eastern Europe. People from all over the world coming here with with the known plan in this well-oiled machine. I And and I'm

32:05I'm talking about this cuz it is very directed to the cartel, directly connected to the cartels who are being enabled in their multi-billion dollar human trafficking operation across the border by our policies, by the Biden administration's policies at the border, which is connected to their ability to move fentanyl and other drugs across the border. And so we spent a couple of days at the border there and then uh went into the city of San Diego and went and started talking to some homeless people and and talking to people who were clearly clearly, um extremely high on multiple drugs. And we're walking around with one of the community relations police officers there, who's just plainclothes, he's walking around and keeping an eye on what's going on there, but we talked to this one guy who had a crack pipe in his hand. Uh he seemed barely conscious, but

32:58we had a He he was engaging in a long conversation with us. And, um you know, I was asking him about fentanyl. He's like, "Oh, yeah, I take fentanyl sometimes, uh but I usually take it at night to help me go to sleep." I said, "Aren't you afraid of not waking up?" Like, he's like, "Yeah, I've had a lot of friends who've died from fentanyl, but I know how much to take, and I know how to manage it, and have you have you" He's like, "Yeah, I almost died twice, and I was revived, uh but and then asking him uh the police officer asked him, "What would it take to get you off the street? What would it take to get you to a place where you can get some help?" And and to get off drugs. And he said, he's 27-year-old guy, "Nothing. Nothing." Um he said, "There's too many rules in the places where I could go and stay, and I want to live my life this way."

33:56It was so heartbreaking to see him, you know, his eyes were barely open and and um clearly in an altered state of mind, but even in that state, in this conversation, how do you how do you help someone who doesn't want to be helped? You can't. It's the problem. I mean, you could talk to them. You could hope that they could get some information from you that shifts the way they think about things, but the addiction gets so deep. And there's this uh thing that some addicts will say is that um I feel better when I'm high. Mhm. That is the only time I feel good. It's the only thing good that I have in my life is when I get high. And if you take that away, my life is terrible. And if you've been an addict for a long time, the longer you're an addict, in fact, the more that's true. Right? Because the more your life is a wreck. And then you're forced to deal

34:48with it when you come off and you realize like, "Oh my god, I'm 45 years old and I'm a heroin addict. Like, what the [ __ ] How is this?" Exactly. And then now you're sober and your life is in shambles and you try to like figure out how did you go so wrong? And then the only thing that made you feel good was heroin. You want to go back. Mhm. You want to go back to that. And it's also people like get really scared of success. Even success in staying sober. They get scared of doing things well and they seek comfort in failure cuz they've they've become accustomed to failure. So if they the pressure of doing well and of like staying sober and like keeping healthy, like it's almost too much. Just just the maintaining, the psychological the anxiety, all the all the fear that comes with failing that you just want to fail just so you could

35:35just feel comfortable again because then you you don't have to pressure. Yeah, you don't have to deal with the pressure. Yeah. It's scary. The the human mind is so susceptible to so many different things, whether it's cults or addictions or you know, I mean we're very weirdly vulnerable to a lot of like very strange things. And a lot of these things I I think a lot of the mental issues are accentuated by social media. I think that they're they exacerbate them badly. And a lot of I think there's a lot of undiagnosed mentally ill people that are just killing themselves by being online all the time. Yeah, I believe it. I really do. I think it's terrible for you. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's so easy to get sucked into it. It's so easy. And people that are like arguing with people constantly online like my god, you what a terrible waste of time. Yeah, when when that becomes

36:28your reality dealing with people and perceptions and, you know, measuring yourself against whatever you're seeing and and all of it and and you you slip out of the real world and building real relationships and friendships and having real conversations. Yeah, the the comparing, too. The comparing is something that you and I didn't have to grow up with. Exactly. And we're very very fortunate because especially um young girls today and Jonathan Haidt's work on this has been really interesting. His book uh The Coddling of the American Mind is a great one. And it's all about what you could see like exactly when social media is invented, all this self-harm and all the suicidal thoughts, suicidal ideation, and suicide all goes up for girls. Mhm. And it's comparing themselves. Doesn't surprise me. Yeah, it's Absolutely. It's such a bizarre thing

37:20that a person can get super duper famous just dancing Mhm. on an app that goes online and then they make millions of dollars and they're like your age and you're like, "What's wrong with me? Yeah. I'm a You can't just live your life and be hang out with your friends. Everyone is in constant comparison with impossible people that shouldn't even exist. And then you and then you add in the the layer of AI onto that where you have complete uh you've got videos and pictures of people who are a digital construct. Not just that. People are paying to talk to them. Right. There's this guy they found this they're doing this study on AI girlfriends where people have like interactions with AI. This guy was spending $10,000 a month on his AI girlfriend. Oh my gosh. ISIS could get that guy. They just got to find him. If they just find that guy,

38:09they could talk that guy into anything. If you're willing to get You're going to get an AI girlfriend 10,000 bucks a month, yeah, you'll join the Moonies. You'll you'll be in Whatever comes along grabs you, son. You're vulnerable. They'll get you. But that's, you know, you look at what's happening on on college campuses across the country right now. It it speaks exactly to that, that that vulnerability of of being manipulated or you know, sold an ideology and then grabbing onto it as as though you you now have a sense of purpose. Yeah. That's the problem. The sense of purpose is like so attractive to people that there's so many kids that want to be like so righteous and they just want to like criticize and yell at other people who don't feel the same way they do. And so it like you're seeing these Israel versus Palestine things on school

39:08campuses. I'm like, my God. Which brings me to this is an interesting thought. Like what are your what's your opinion on this potential TikTok ban? Uh I oppose it. I oppose it on the grounds of of free speech and civil liberties. You know, this is you speaking of fomenting fear, this is one of those pieces of legislation that's, you know, if if you just read the talking points for those who support it and it's supported by many people in Congress on both sides of the aisle. Um you think like, oh my gosh, we've got a national security risk and you've got concern for our kids and all of this other stuff. But when you actually read the language and understand the implications of what this legislation does, it's not really about TikTok at all. It's about government being able to choose what platforms are acceptable and what are not and what we as Americans are

40:07able to either get information from or put information out. And then you look at, okay, well, if they're giving themselves that authority, how will it then be enforced? Then you get into the civil liberties concern of the Fourth Amendment of government overreach and trying to figure out, okay, well, now I'm going to have to look into your phone and figure out if you're the guy who's using the VPN to illegally download this app. Then you're looking at uh you know, the the the designation is that if you have uh 20% or more uh ownership stake or stake in a business that has been designated um by our government to be illegal because of its association with a a foreign adversary. There are a few countries listed there, but the president would have the power to designate any other country a foreign adversary without any kind of, you know, Congress wouldn't

41:04have to take action. It's a It's a unilateral move. Uh you are also implicated if you are someone who the government determines to be influenced by or connected with one of these countries that is a foreign adversary. And so, you know, Elon Musk has talked about this. It is not outside of the realm of of the the um not only possible, but the probable that if they wanted to say, okay, well, you know, Elon Musk is doing business with this country that we don't like and oh, X should be shut down because of this association. Uh the the Right-wing Ron Paul said it best when he said that this legislation is the most, and I'm paraphrasing, but he said it's the most egregious violation of civil liberties since the Patriot Act was passed in the wake of 9/11. And when you look at the arguments that are being made around both of those pushes, they

42:04are they are very eerily similar in invoking national security concerns and the language and the way that's written is intentionally vague that puts far more power into the hands of the executive branch, just like the Patriot Act did to single-handedly say, "Well, this is a good guy and this is a bad guy." And that has a direct implication on Americans. And wasn't there another recent thing that passed that allows more observation of people through cell phones? Yes. Yes, and and both of these things were actually wrapped up into that that same bill that just passed through. They lumped together a whole bunch of different things. They were They were separate previously, but uh the thing that the TikTok ban was lumped together with was the bill that would reinstate or extend the um FISA authorities, the Foreign Intelligence Security Act authorities,

43:05for another 2 years. Um Section 702 of FISA gives our government the authority to um surveil foreign actors, essentially, to try to identify terrorist threats. But part of that is they have the ability to capture all of the conversations. If you talk to somebody in another country that they're interested in, they can then go in and capture all of your information as an American citizen. And they can do this without a warrant. This has been in place for quite some time. Uh but this legislation that was just passed recently expanded those authorities, so they can go and actually look at like your your Wi-Fi uh history. If you're connected to Wi-Fi, they can look at everything that you did connected to that Wi-Fi signal and and in some other ways. It's It's It It took an already bad problem and made it many, many times worse. And

44:02again, they're just saying, "Well, it's for national security." The problem here is thing always say. They That's the thing they always say and and it's like you know, the I think it was Benjamin Franklin who said if if you know, um if you are choosing security over liberty, you will neither be secure nor will you have liberty. Um that's not an actual quote, but that's basically the point here and that's the false choice that so many of these politicians are are forcing on the American people is Right. you can either be less free and more safe or you can be more free and oh by the way, you're going to invite more terrorist attacks or more national security uh incursions on our country and it's just it's just BS. It is BS. It's also very un-American. It is. And here's the problem with government overreach. The government is just people. Yeah. And that's the

44:59problem. Like, you know, if if you thought of them as something other than a three-letter name like DEA, CIA, NSA, just a bunch of people. Yeah. You would go, "Well, why is this like the DEA? Why is this 10,000 people telling all these other people what to do?" That sounds crazy. There's way more of them than there are of us. If it was just in this room and Jamie turns out to be the cop and he says, "Hey, I'm going to put you two in prison because I heard you like hemp." Yeah. You like We would like, "Jamie, [ __ ] off. That's crazy." But if if it's a government agency with a three-letter name, you're like, "Oh, this is the government." The The government is just human beings and there's just a natural inclination that people in power have is to try to gain more power. Yes. Rich people want to get richer. Hot people want to get hotter. Like, that's

45:49what it is, you know? It's like everybody wants to improve. Yeah. And the governments they're in the business of telling you what to do and they want to be better at that business. Yeah. And the best way is to be able to like constantly be able to able to surveil everything you say and do. Right. And and again, it it goes let them. No. And and this is the problem this is the problem is that you know, every elected official swears an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Yet, as we saw with this most recent example, they are so ready to uh undermine our Fourth Amendment rights in the Constitution in the name of national security. And I know some of them are doing it with with good intention, but with with without actually considering that the challenge and responsibility of those in government and those who have this power

46:38is to strike that correct balance between ensuring that our liberties and our constitutional rights are protected. You you swear an oath to do this. When you when you take this job while also ensuring, okay, well, we can do both and we must do both. We can be safe and secure and also be able to live free without worrying about every time you pick up your phone or you make a phone call wondering if the government is surveilling us. And then you you add on to that what's happening now where you know, like January 6th, for example. I was working out in the gym uh Marine Corps gym in Hawaii down the street from our house. Bumped into a guy who I met uh it's a long story, but I met him when uh The Rock's stunt double was getting his traditional Samoan tattoo. And it's a whole ceremony. It was a 7-day thing. And so, this other guy is Samoan. We

47:27met, became friends. So, I saw him in the gym and he's with his 14-year-old son. How's it going? This and that. He's like, "Oh, the FBI just came to my house out in Laie, uh small rural community on the island of Oahu." I was like, "What's going on?" He's like, "Yeah, they came and knocked on my door because he said I took my son to go and witness democracy." So, they were part of those thousands of people who were out there on the lawn of the Capitol. And they they didn't arrest him. They didn't charge him with anything. Wow. But but how is it how is it that you know years later years later they go and find this guy and his family in a rural Mormon community in Laie in Hawaii. They're capturing all of the data of people whose whose cell phones were pinging within the that vicinity. Yes. Uh during that period of time not only on January 6th and they are continuing

48:21to widen that net looking at flight records and who bought tickets and who booked hotels and and all of this stuff for what? You're going to go the FBI's going to go and investigate people who showed up there on the lawn on the You look at what they're and this is this is my thing. It's it's it is absolutely scare tactics. So we look at the power of the government and how they're now turning on the American people for political reasons we can see where even the best of intentions with some of these pieces of legislation can lead to the very worst places. What to speak of the fact that we have limited resource and limited people. Yeah. What are they not investigating? You talked about the DEA. What what about the FBI and all these millions of people are coming across our border? Are they tracking who they are? No, they're not. Are they tracking where

49:14they're going? No, they're not. We have no idea. People coming from the Middle East and Asia and Eastern Europe and Venezuela, gang members, like all of this stuff is happening right before our very eyes and they're going and knocking on my friend's door in Laie because he brought his 14-year-old son to Washington D.C. that week. And here's the question. Um was the FBI there? How many how many people were there? And how come they don't have to answer that? Exactly. They don't say. Why not be transparent? Also, they should be there. Like the government should be there in case some [ __ ] goes sideways, right? That's I'm so I'm sure they're there. But are some of the agents not good? Just like some dentists suck, are some of the agents not good? And are some of the agents encouraging people to go in? Because that could be true, too. Because

50:05if we look at what happened with the governor of Michigan, right? It was in Michigan or Minnesota? Michigan. That story is bonkers. When you find What was it? Like 11 of the people involved in the kidnapping scheme were FBI informants? Right. What? Yeah. And these two dopes who just like just dumbasses, like 80 IQ dumbasses, that just get tricked into this [ __ ] They cosplay and they will go to kidnap her. Definitely, we're going to [ __ ] get liberty done. They don't know what they're doing. They're stupid. Yeah. And those poor [ __ ] have to go to jail. Yeah. Exactly. was scheduled and set up by FBI informants. Like that seems crazy. Aren't there real problems instead of like creating problems and then arresting people for those problems? Are there real problems going on? And if there's not, like you guys good at your job? Like

50:57we're trusting you. And there are, you like you know, I know some great FBI agents and there are people who are doing who are doing good work. Absolutely. I've met great FBI agents. Nice people, good people, patriots. Absolutely. like dentists. Some of them are great. There This is I mean it's just, you know, it's it's like the same as the military and law enforcement. Like you yes, you are going to find those few, for sure. They are there. But but with um So I've talked to different people than the FBI and what they've shared is that there's kind of like a bifurcation in the agency. Where there are people who are really, really angry and frustrated about the politicization of the FBI that's occurring by the heads. Um and then there are others who are just like full send, we're on board, let's go. Mhm. Uh and it's it's creating

51:50a lot of friction and a lot of fear within the agency. Um, I don't know if the agency that people get confused that's the CIA that's probably some similar things going on there, but within the FBI a lot of fear that uh, you got to watch what you say around even your own colleagues and your own peers because there are people who are on different sides, which is horrible. Like you are on the side of America. Yeah. You were on the side of the American people and upholding the rule of law and and securing our country going after the bad guys. Well, when the bad guys now become your neighbor down the street we're we're in a very different uh, realm. A dangerous one. It's just how it is with people. Red Sox fans hate Yankee fans. Mhm. Just like they're in the same country. You're going to have conflict even inside the FBI. You're going to

52:42have conflict in every group. You're going to have power struggles, you know, you're either with Bob Right. You got to stay with Bob and Bob's [ __ ] calling the shots. I'm on team Bob. You know, like [ __ ] Mike. And then that's what happens with people. It It happens in everything and you have people that are that go in with good intentions and they get corrupted by That's where for for the, you know, across whether it's the FBI, the Department of Justice, all of these it matters you know, who's in charge. Yeah. These are all civilian led organizations. Uh, they are political appointees and you know, in in theory they are the people who should be held accountable, but they are setting that tone. Did you hear what AOC said? She said the people that are coming in to this country most of them it's because of climate change. I didn't

53:35hear that one. It's amazing. It is straight out of South Park. It's straight out of South Park. Wow. Like what? Yeah, I know. I like waiting like, oh, like is there more? Has the climate changed more than I know? You Do you Do you know something I don't know? Like what are you saying? Yeah. What's going on down there? are those those clips. I just saw one on Instagram the other day from like 1985 where a news caster is I think it might even been black and white and she's saying the the climate change scientists tell us that we may only have 10 years before the earth is destroyed. 1992 is going to be the year. And then whoever made this clip, they juxtaposed her clip with one from Bernie Sanders saying the exact same thing with a different date, you know, how many decades later. is when you fear monger, you distract people from the real issue. Like what is

54:35really going on? Like how bad are we [ __ ] up the planet? You know, here's one that doesn't get discussed enough. We've killed everything in the ocean. Mhm. The The ocean is depleted. What was the number, Jamie? Like 90% of the big fish are gone. Yeah. Some crazy number like that. Because of just Just imagine how psychonic it is to have a species that goes into another dimension that it's not a resident of and uses nets and just takes everything it can get and catches a bunch of dolphins and [ __ ] in there that it doesn't want anyway and they all die. Exactly. A new global study concludes that 90% of all large fishes have disappeared from the world's oceans in the past half century. In 50 years. So that's a cataclysm. That's a disaster of epic proportion when it comes to like ecology and when it comes to the just

55:36the the the environment of the world itself. We're killing most cuz we like sushi. We're killing We're killing most of what's in the ocean. It's bananas. Yeah. And so that is getting ignored because everyone is talking about fossil fuels. And I I wonder how much of this is pushed by foreign countries through social media. Because there is a thing that you can do and nudge conversations in a certain way with bots. And with fake statistics and with fear mongering and meanwhile China is opening hundreds of new coal power plants. They're They're They're doubling down on coal. And I think through TikTok and through probably Facebook and YouTube and all these different things and Instagram, I'm sure. There's countless bots that are putting out videos and pushing narratives and find their way into your algorithm and they affect the way people think about things.

56:36And guess what? If you go to Chinese TikTok, it's all academic accomplishments, martial arts demonstrations, science achievements. And you can't go on after 10:00 p.m. Right. And here in America, it's dudes with fake eyelashes reading stories to toddlers. And it's everybody telling you the ocean's going to boil. Yeah. It's weird. It's Osama bin Laden's letter to America. Yeah. The letter to America thing was wild, too. Everybody was like, "Wow, you know, Osama bin Laden had a point." Like dinner the other night with with a a family. It was It was during the holiday of Passover and this this question came up about uh what would happen if another 9/11 style terrorist attack or some major um incident like that came up in our country today. Would it have that same kind of unifying effect that occurred after that attack on 9/11. And when you look at things like that,

57:39like the Osama bin Laden letter, and you look at uh how there there is I mean there's there's an entire not an entire generation, but there's a lot of people now who I wouldn't be surprised if they said, "Well, you know, such an attack was justified." And and not have that same kind of sense of unity of like, "Hey, no matter our differences, we got to stand together as Americans." And that's a that's a that should be a serious concern. It's It should be a serious concern also when you really take into consideration how many genuinely dumb people there are. And when you have a situation like October 7th in Israel, I saw within days before Israel did what they did in Palestine, within days I saw people justifying the attacks on October 7th because of the treatment that Israel has given to the Palestinians. I'm like, "Hey, that's crazy. That's crazy. That's

58:35crazy to say that you think people should be indiscriminately shot and killed and just in mass at a at a [ __ ] rave like paratrooping and you think that's okay because of what Israel's done?" But guess what, those people didn't do that. Right. Those people at the rave and those people that are on the border, those are apparently according to Ari, those are the the hippies. Right. They're the ones who want to be They're the ones who don't believe that we should be there. in borders. Yeah, they don't believe in borders. They They want to be close to the Palestinians, which is right. Right. Exactly. To do And that that's where, you know, some of the things that they're chanting at at uh that these protesters are chanting at Columbia University and some of the other ones, "We hope that October 7th happens 10,000 times over," they say, you know,

59:15celebrating Hamas as a Islamist terrorist organization. It It's It is. It's It's um you know, I I I I don't I don't think we can just dismiss them as just being stupid. You know what I mean? Like, these kids are going to Ivy League schools. They are They are being absolutely manipulated and there is there is a very intentional ideological war that is being waged in this example by these radical Islamist groups like Hamas and they had planned this. They've been doing this for hundreds of years and they're using technology and they're using other means to be able to to achieve that end. No doubt. As is Russia, as is China. They've infiltrated universities. You know, the the famous Yuri Bezmenov speech from 1984. You know, it's which is crazy when you hear it today because he called it. He knew what was going to happen and it's happening and it's

60:06happening from college campuses outward. So, the most radical of these ideologies are being promoted on colleges because the kids are the youngest, they don't have jobs and real-world experience. They don't have They don't They don't They're young. They have ideologies. They're Right. They're a little bit unrealistic and they're all captured by this status game that's going on on campus Mhm. where you're trying to be the most radical, like, "Oh, he's so radically pro-Palestine. He's so hot." Mhm. You know, and then Yeah. that really becomes a thing. You become virtuous and you you become attractive. You become interesting without actually being interesting just because you have this rabid adherence to an ideology that's right now in in vogue. And that's really what it is. And I think a lot of that is funded by foreign governments. And

60:54there's a lot of evidence that points to it. And we should consider it as a possibility and don't dismiss it as a conspiracy theory. Yeah. Consider it as a possibility. And so, this is a question about things like TikTok. Like, and and Twitter and all of them all of them cuz I guarantee you it's not just foreign countries, kids. I guarantee you there are people in this country that are using it. Yes. I know businesses do it. Yes. I know I guarantee you people do it to try to influence the way people think about things. And I when you see posts I've seen posts multiple times saying outrageous things and then I'll just okay, let me click on this guy and it's usually some letters and then numbers and a name maybe and a bunch of numbers and then I click and I'm really fake person. Just go through all this stuff. It's all just retweeting inflammatory stuff and it's

61:49nutty [ __ ] crazy politics takes and like really aggressive takes on things and like wow, how many of them are there? Yeah, I there's there's no there's no question that this is happening and and the social media algorithms are feeding it and playing playing right into it and and our attention and our minds are the commodity. 100% and if they can just trick you into buying some stuff along the way that'll be great. Exactly. that your data would be so valuable? That's the thing about when like you and I were younger, it meant nothing. Your data meant nothing. Like nobody What is What are you talking about? My data? Exactly. Right. Why would anybody be interested in that? I remember my first inclination that data meant something was I bought Dianetics. I bought that book like 1994 when I first moved to Hollywood and Scientology never stopped sending me

62:42things. Like we got one. Yeah, they I was like oh, that's how they get you. And then they get you to join. I guess you have to give them a piece, give them a taste of what you're doing to join the group. Yeah, and so data now is responsible for the largest corporations in terms of like the amount of money. Yeah. Like think about Apple, how big Apple is and how much data Apple has and Apple's better at with data than Android systems are and Google's terrible with it. Like with their it's just like they're just siphoning off your Oh, yeah. Yeah. And that's the fallacy and that's that's kind of the the falsehood of the argument who are for people who are pushing that TikTok ban bill is if they're claiming they're concerned about data security and privacy and making sure that our data is protected. Um you got to do it across board. Yes.

63:33Because every single one of these social media or big tech companies collecting as much as they possibly can. And if you think they're not selling it uh to the highest bidder, whether they be an American company or a foreign company, of course they are. This is their This is their business model. Wasn't there some controversy about one of the DNA companies, whether it's Ancestry or one of the other ones? There was. Where they were they sold their data to China. I think so. I don't remember which one. everybody's genes? Like I didn't know you could do that. I wouldn't have signed up for that. Yeah. You could sell my genes to China. Like if China was like offering free DNA test. Was it? No, it wasn't. They sold it to China. Who did they sell it to? Uh GlaxoSmithKline. Big Pharma. Ew. That's even scarier. And who do they sell it to? They could sell

64:25it to anybody else, too, right? sells anonymous DNA data to a drug company for 20 million. That's not even that much. It's not that much. guys. It's anonymous, guys. Yeah, of course. Of course. Wasn't there one with China though, with Ancestry? Yeah, go go This is 23andMe. No, this says Ancestry also. This is Ancestry as well? Mhm. Uh interesting. I mean 20 million dollars. I remember something about China. I mean, I just typed in data sold and that's what comes up. I might be on the wrong forums, though. I might be on some conspiratorial I might have gone too deep on the JFK rabbit hole the other night. This is what you said. Oh, okay, China. There it goes. Uh groundbreaking move that has sent shockwaves through the biotech industry. 23andMe, the leading personal genomics and biotechnology company, has officially announced the sale of its

65:15entire DNA database to the Chinese government for an astonishing 10 billion dollars. Wow. Yeah, so that's the one I was looking for. But I'll just add that that's only coming from a medium article, not any other articles are saying that. Jamie, why you got to [ __ ] it up with facts? I'm just trying to understand what's happening. I don't know that it's Jamie is on it. Why you got to [ __ ] it up with facts? Yeah, who knows? But but your data is extremely valuable. That's weird and it's also valuable to humans. It's humans selling other humans data. Whether you call them Facebook or Google or the DEA and the F- It's just a bunch of people and if they don't have to follow the same rules that you follow, then we have real problems. And when you have entire groups of people that are dependent upon technology that's

66:08controlled almost entirely by one ideology, Oh, and then you let the government get involved like they did with Twitter and you see what they the Twitter files you're like, "Oh Jesus, like this is bad." Like you let the government have a back door and they started sneaking around and telling you what to do and what not to do and you were complying? Right. People Right. were telling other people that they couldn't have experts from Harvard and Stanford talk about medical problems. Yes. You got to You stop this. Stop those experts from talking. Remove those posts. Ban those people. Like The government is saying that? Exactly. Exactly. And even if they're not even if they're not saying, "Hey, do this or else." Even if they're not making an explicit threat. Just the fact you're getting requests from the government to do something. Exactly. Like what are What would you

66:58like what are you going to do? The FBI is calling and saying like, "Hey, we'd really like you to do X, Y, or Z." And my mind would be like, "Okay, like what am I going to be investigated for outside of this if I say no? Also What are the consequences going to be? If you're a person working at Twitter, right? This is not you. They're not investigating you. They're investigating someone else, right? So if they're going in they're talking about these posts like, "Hey, this expert is spreading misinformation and this is like they're they're causing vaccine hesitancy or whatever they're causing. We need to stop this. Put a stop to this." Like why is the government being involved in a dispute between doctors and the pharmaceutical drug companies? Yes. Like what are you doing? And how do you know? Did you guys adjudicate this? Did you guys get in front of a court?

67:47Did you guys get in front of experts? Did people testify? Did you have someone who's pro and con this? Someone who lays out this argument? Yeah. Did you examine this? No, no, no, you didn't. No, you just contacted Twitter. Yeah. And Twitter said, "Okay." Because what are they going to do? They're [ __ ] executives. They're they're If you're working at Twitter in this old Twitter and you're like super woke Right. and you know, you just been drinking lattes and going into the meditation room and then all of a sudden you get an email from the FBI and you're like, "I don't want to [ __ ] up this job. I got a cushy job." And you're like, "Okay. What do I have to do? Okay, I'll do that." Yeah. Exactly. that. And that's not good. It's not good to have that kind of power being wielded by other people. They're just people.

68:30Yeah. You could call them the FBI and call them the internet. They're human beings. Yeah. And human beings that have that kind of power over other human beings in a country that's supposed to value freedom. Yes. That That's the thing. in and of itself is un-American. And that that's where this isn't just like some rogue FBI agent doing this or some rogue uh you know, bureaucrat in an agency who's going and doing this. This is an expressed policy coming from the Biden administration in this example uh to go and si- you use use big tech to silence certain people's voices and to decide who who who does the government want to be heard and who needs to be silenced? And obviously there we could talk all day about the cozy relationship that many politicians have with Big Pharma and it it you know, it's not a surprise that they're going to act in

69:23favor of Big Pharma rather than in favor of the truth or free speech or people's health and well-being, but the fact that this was and is the Biden administration's policy to decide that they are the arbiter of what is misinformation, disinformation, what is information, what is true and what is not and that they will use the tools available to them both within the government as well as outside of the government in the case of Big Tech and social media to be able to enforce that. And that's that's that's really the you know, for people who aren't paying attention to this stuff at home and we're just trying to live their lives and you know, go to work and take care of their kids and and just live their life, um it's easy to fall victim to like, well, the government wants what's best for us and they don't want us to be manipulated by misinformation or

70:13disinformation and and so this is the line that they use like, we're doing this for you. We're trying to protect you. So once again, we're going to take away some of your freedom and some of your privacy uh and tell you what it you know, who you should be listening to and what information uh you should be getting. The king knows. Yes. The king will tell the people how to live. Yes. This is how you wash. This is coming from the same people who are telling us that boys can become girls on any day of the week because they feel like it. Rachel Levine is the first female Which is ins- And then then they stand there and say, well, we are the champions for women. If if they cannot even accept objective truth. We're living in the strangest of strange times. And I also think that a lot of that stuff is being accentuated by social media manipulated intentionally

71:09because I think if you can just get those narratives out there enough that affects the gullible people, that affects sensitive people, that affects people on the spectrum, it affects a lot of people, and then they start getting rewarded for leaning into one type of ideology or and then it's affecting people. We are affected by our environment and to pretend otherwise is just silly, especially when you talk about young people. Young people are particularly susceptible to propaganda, which is why they have young people wear suicide vests. Yeah. That's why. You can't get a 50-year-old agnostic dude to wear a [ __ ] suicide vest. You know, he's going to go, "What am I going to get when I blow up? Am I going to go to a heaven? Mhm. Can you show me? You got a video? Is there a YouTube video I can watch? Like, what What are you What are

71:57you saying? Yeah. But you could talk a five-year-old into it, and that's what they do, and that's sick. It is. And it's just as sick to try to like indoctrinate them into these crazy ideologies because it's just people want other people to join their [ __ ] team. It's It's a common thing that people do. That's what's so concerning about uh like we're we are seeing the fruits of the shift in our education system away from actually teaching about the Constitution and you know, the the the founding documents and the Federalist Papers and the thought process behind uh that that went into forming the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in our schools. Basic basic government, basic 101 on what is this country really about? What is the foundation that we were built upon and what does it mean to you in your in your everyday life and

72:49talking about the Bill of Rights and the First Amendment and going down the list because that has been absent largely from our education system for so long it it it creates again this vulnerability of young people being susceptible. There is they're they're not rooted in ideology of freedom. And what that means in our lives and why it's important why we will fight and why we will fight to defend and protect it. And so then they're like, well, I don't know. Maybe maybe what Hamas is offering is is is a superior ideology or superior values system than what we have here in America which a lot of these kids are saying whether they realize fully what it is or not. They are they are falling victim to that ideology that radicalism is ideology which would be completely oppressive in the lives that they they are trying to live here. Yeah, the the whole proposal

73:47behind it is best highlighted by the meme queers for Palestine. Yes. Exactly. for queers. Exactly. The difference between like that idea is so crazy. Like what what you're saying is so nuts. Yes. And it's just this [ __ ] the system, [ __ ] the government, [ __ ] the patriarchy. It's this ideology that gets promoted that's it's like frivolously wanting to destroy the foundation of this country. Yes. And they'll say it openly. We want to just stop colonialism. Okay, and then what? Then what happens? What do you have? What do you have? You have warlords? What do you have? What's going to run the country? How are you going to run it? We going to do it all with guns? Well, that's that's where you know, the this again, Hamas had this whole thing planned. Like, you know, gaining the compassion and the sympathy of the

74:37world. How did they plan that? How did they think that they were going to do that? That they knew how Israel would react and they were ready with social media and then all of all of the means of communication to play on the sympathies of people, the compassion and kind-hearted people around the world and turn people's attention away from the there was the 1200 people that were murdered and killed and the people that were raped on that attack on October 7th. Their their goal being ultimately to influence populations around the world towards this Islamist ideology that they want to govern the world under Islamic rule, under Sharia law. And we've seen already how it's been successful in some parts of the world, even in Europe, in France. Somebody was saying that I think it's 25% of France is already living under Sharia law. And so that this this ideological

75:44war that's being waged is not it's being it's being waged by one side and there's there's not a counter narrative, there's not a counter war being waged on the other side to defeat it with a superior ideology of freedom and what we value as a society. And that that puts this mission and this effort and it's not just Hamas, obviously Al-Qaeda and ISIS and that they you know other terrorist organizations around the world, they all have that same that same objective which poses this this great the greatest short and long-term threat to people who value freedom and and to civilization. And we're also so uniquely vulnerable in that we we do have this sort of democracy. You know, it's it's obviously heavily influenced by money. Um but and then with the open borders, so you have all these people funneling into the country and so you have an erosion of confidence

76:42in our entire system because people are very aware of that, and the more people are let out of jail after they commit violent crimes, the more people are aware of that. If you looked at the whole picture, all the things that are in play right now, particularly like with the open borders and the giving people plane tickets and flying them to all these different cities, like if I was going to try to destroy the country, that's how I would do it. If I was going to try to destroy the country, I would radicalize the kids. I would give them the the stupidest ideas and and run them in their head. Boys can be girls, girls can be boys. Boys can compete against girls in sports if they think they're a girl. Um uh queers for Palestine, you know, the death to the Jews, yell it out on ironically on campuses. Have the presidents of those colleges and universities defend it.

77:34Which was wild. Completely. With cameras on them. Yeah. It shows how scared they are. It shows how afraid they are of actually calling out what, you know, what is right and what is wrong. it also shows how they live in a bubble. And I don't think they interact with the real world. And I think when they did, the shock was probably it was it was probably horrifying to just to realize how most people feel about what they said. Yeah. Like oh, it it it it it's not it's not harassment unless it's actionable. Like what the [ __ ] are you saying? Exactly. You're saying death to the Jews, so Right. to kill Jews, and then it's harassment. Exactly. Isn't that a little late? I I was I I was shocked like everyone else at at not only their statements, but how every one of them sitting at that table on that day said almost the exact same thing. And knowing how much

78:26preparation, because when people come, I don't care who you are, but when you come and testify before Congress, you go through preparation. And if you're the president of an Ivy League university, you're going to have a whole team of people sitting there telling you, okay, well, here are the questions you should probably be prepared to answer. The question that at least Stefonic asked was not outside of the realm of like here's what the frequently asked questions would be. Yeah. And and the fact that their answers were all the same and how how they were smirking as they were giving that answer I was I was very surprised by. Maybe I shouldn't have been as surprised given what they're doing. I think we're sending our kids to cult camps. That's what I think. I think they get indoctrinated into this. They don't all, some of them skate through, some of them

79:16are wise, some of them realize this is crazy. Right. Can't wait to get the [ __ ] out of here and get my degree. And then go to work. But some of them just get locked in and then it becomes their identity. And it's dangerous. It's dangerous also because look kids don't want to listen. Okay? Mhm. And if you have kids, they don't want to listen to you. They want to rebel. And when they finally get to go away somewhere and be on their own and your dad's a banker, you're like [ __ ] that [ __ ] Capitalism is [ __ ] Like And you're wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt. You don't know what the [ __ ] you're doing. Exactly. GPT to answer your homework. You like the whole thing is nuts. And then you're allowing those young people to just trying out being an adult with a voice and an opinion and trying to be profound.

80:01Yeah. And there's no consequences to to actions. No, it's weird. It's weird. It's weird. It's weird that people can't see it and I'm glad that some people are pulling funding. Yeah. Like there's a lot of people that are donors like hey, [ __ ] you. Like this is crazy. Yeah. And so that's fortunate that there's some sort of a blowback, but you know, even that woman from Harvard, even though she got she was caught plagiarizing Exactly. many times. Like if you were a grad student, you got caught plagiarizing, that would that would be a wrap for you. But meanwhile, she keeps making the same amount of money. They just gave her a different job. Yeah. They didn't even fire her. No. The whole thing's crazy. The whole thing's crazy. It's like that's supposed to be Harvard. It's supposed to be the smartest people amongst us. And when you heard that lady

80:45talk, you're like, "Hey, how did she get to the top?" Mhm. That seems bananas. It seems like you probably had some better choices. Like Yeah. Was there any other considerations in the how she got that gig? Exactly. The plagiarism doesn't freak you guys out? Like isn't that like opposed to everything that you stand for? Yes. Okay. Yeah. It was very telling. You're not you're you're not the best and the brightest anymore. You guys are doing nonsense. Right. You're this is a cult camp. You got a cult camp. You're indoctrinating people. And where are you getting your money? Like and how much of that money's coming from China? And how much of the influence is coming from Russia? How much of the influence like in the past has shaped these people? So, you have this system where academics go to school, they learn, they get indoctrinated, and they start teaching,

81:31and they never enter into the real world. And they make this cycle. And those are the people that keep indoctrinating more people. And now they're infesting these social media apps, and they're infesting all of these tech companies. And everybody else is like, "What are you doing?" Exactly. This is crazy. Yeah. But it's all coming from universities. It's coming from the kids that get indoctrinated these ideologies. And I remember when I first started talking about this in like 2015 or 16, whatever the Jordan Peterson thing was happening. Or it was the first was Bret Weinstein on Evergreen College. And people like, "Why do you care what's happening in these obscure colleges?" I go, "Hey, they're going to graduate." Yes. Like when I see fire and it's 5 miles away, I don't go, "Oh, it's 5 miles away." I go, "Hey, we got to get

82:15the [ __ ] out of here now." Like get out of here now. Yeah. Fire's coming. Yeah. Get out. Like this is like you don't see that these kids are going to leave school. If they're so crazy, they believe that you should have a day where you tell white people they have to stay home. When it used to be that it was an appreciation of people of color, so they could take the day off and they would get paid and you go, "Oh, I really miss Mike. You know, I I really miss Tanya. It'd be great if she was here and boy, it's hard not working with her, she you know, and doing her job and my job at the same time." Okay, that makes sense. But, telling people white people they have to stay home and then threatening them with baseball bats if they don't. Now, people roaming the parking lot with bats. When I saw that, I was like, "This is crazy."

82:57And so many people were saying, "Why do you care?" Well, they're they're going to go out in the world. And if this is happening there, it's not an isolated situation. It's happening other people. And then the Jordan Peterson thing in Toronto and like Okay, guys. And now everyone is is sort of realizing like, "Oh, this is a real problem. This is infesting the world. This ideology is pervasive." And it's not well thought out. It's just not just like fact-based objective assessment, being kind and understanding and taking into account all the variables. No, it's like a cult. Yeah, the the problem is not everyone is is seeing what's really happening. You still have the AOCs of the world and many people within the leadership of the Democratic Party who um this is this is the direction we are headed. Yeah. And and that that's that's a very

83:52dangerous thing for for so many reasons, but obviously because they're in a position of power and how they're using that power and how they're undermining the rule of law and choosing again who gets to speak freely and who gets to go and do whatever they want, break the law, you know, disturb the peace, acts of violence. No, because what what you think that their cause is justified. Right. But, meanwhile others who would do the very same thing be charged with a crime. Imagine if AOC got to write history books. And they said, "Why do people sneak into America in 2024?" Oh, climate change. So, 20 years from now, climate change was so bad that people were walking from Guatemala to get plane tickets to fly to Michigan. Like, for real? Are you sure? Oh my god. sure that happened? Maybe there's other variables. What do you think? I Maybe

84:39it's encouraged. Maybe there's a whole Red Cross map that they can follow. Hey guys. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe some of the stops along the way, they only speak Chinese and they have Chinese signs and it seems like there's like a concerted effort to get people in from China. Hey, something going on? Yeah. No, just climate change. Oh, so simple. So nice to be able to just That's just as That's just as bad as the, you know, people who break into to stores in New York City. They're just hungry and trying to steal bread for their starving kids. Yeah. That was a good one, too. Yeah. Yeah, that lady. Forget like the, you know, the the guys who go in and like steal 50 Apple iPhones from the store and run out and jump in their car, all of these other things. It's It's It's hard to believe that a person who's a member of Congress can say that with a straight face. Well,

85:26the best one was Did you ever see the conversation that she had with a the news reporter where the reporter was asking her to clarify her thoughts on Israel and Palestine? Yes, I did. That one's wonderful. nothing to say. It It seemed like she didn't even know like where they were. Like, where is Like, if you gave her a map and it had no names on it. Like, which one is Which of which one of these is Israel? Yeah. Like, what do you What do you know about the history? What do you know about What happened in 1947? Anything? Like, what What was going on before that? Who lived there first? Yeah. Like, you know, what's Judea? What's that place about? Exactly. What's the biblical significance of these locations? Any? You know? What How long has this dispute been going on? You know? What's It It There There are these girls who, again, I don't know where

86:19this video is. I'm sure it's everywhere now, but they were left Columbia to go and stand with the students protesting at NYU. And somebody said, well, why are you here? And like, oh, we're here to stand in solidarity with the protesters. What is what is NYU doing that you're protesting? Oh, I don't really know. And then she turned to her friend, she's like, why are we here? What are they doing that's wrong? And the friend said, I wish I was more educated because I don't really know either. Well, you know, They're just out there being virtuous. Somebody asked us to come, so we're just coming to stand in solidarity. Well, there's this thing that you can do now, where if you just yell out the thing that's popular, now you become cooler than you really are. It's a new thing you can do. And if you're like really rabbit about it, you know, and then you

87:06can demand other people do it on their social media. Like, how come you're not putting a black square up on Tuesday? Yeah. Yeah, like I mean, this this all of these things, I mean, these these were major drivers for me in leaving the the insanity of what has become the today's Democratic Party and where I've seen and and heard directly from so many people who who are who are or have already woken up to that fact of literally just being common sense minded Americans who are just there's no explanation. There's no logic, there's no rationale that you can give for these kinds of things happening and not just by some rogue member of Congress. I mean, it's it's happening from the very top. Yeah, and it's um is the consequence of money being involved in politics. And that seems like that web is so deep and those roots run so deep that to try to stop that now

88:08is almost impossible. It's almost like the only way to solve this is to give corporations conscience. It's like the only way to solve this is you've got to figure out like who is funding what and why. Why is so much money being spent on this versus that? And one of the things about AI is that if AI is asked at a certain point in time when it becomes like sentient or really super powerful, like what is the solution between the conflict between Ukraine and Russia? And what's the cause of it? And AI gives like a real comprehensive analysis of the US government-funded coup from 2014 and how NATO has been moving arms closer to Russia and like lays it all out. And like this is the definitive objective. No ideology, no [ __ ] reason why this is happening. And these are the companies that are pushing the conflict. And this is the amount of money they're

89:12making from it. And here's the amount of money that's missing. Because there's corruption involved in Ukraine. As much as people don't want to admit one of the wildest ones was Candace Owens on Twitter where the New York Times they they tweeted her like what evidence do you have of corruption in Ukraine? And she's like from your own [ __ ] newspaper? She's just posting links. It's like do you guys not even check before you tweet out do journalism? Well, they were also the ones that said the New York Times said that that bomb landed in the hospital and killed 500 people. And it apparently it landed in the parking lot. Exactly. And killed a small number of people. Yeah. And it probably was not from Israel, but was actually some one of the Islamic terrorists had launched a bomb and it accidentally landed in the parking lot.

90:02Yeah. Yeah. And no no effort to actually truly and not not in the fine print on the back page of the paper, but actually make sure that they got the facts right. Well, and certainly no equivalent coverage of the actual true story versus the original story, which you should do. Like it's like you Yeah, maybe you got bad information. Explain how you got bad information. Same people read the newspaper, read this, and now they know. Like let them know. Don't just [ __ ] hide it. Don't pretend you didn't [ __ ] up. Like I mean it's it's the same reason why with Julian Assange, you know, back when you know, his criminal charges were first coming up, they were saying, "Hey, this is a threat to journalism." That you can't you can't suppress the free press. It is a violation of the First Amendment, and if you go after Julian Assange today, they

90:52could go after a New York Times journalist tomorrow. I think we were seeing it from the Washington Post and some of the other mainstream traditional news sources, but the the script was totally flipped, and they shut up real quick and turned their sights against Julian Assange after he released Hillary Clinton's emails. Why? They're a political They have become, unfortunately, a political arm of the Democrat elite. And it's the same reason why they stopped reporting on actual corruption in Ukraine because they get Okay, what's the narrative that we've got to push? Yeah. And they're not going to go against it. Not allow facts and journalism to get in the way of that. It's spooky. It's it's spooky for people that count on them for the news cuz it's like Okay, now who do I have to trust? Who could Who Who Who can I listen to? And it turns out it's like a lot of

91:38independent people, and those are the only ones that are They're free. They're free to actually report for now. Mhm. You know, the these laws are Did did did did that TikTok thing pass? Uh it did pass. So, that's That's it. Yeah. Jesus. Yeah. Do you know Adam Curry? It's It will be challenged. I'm sure it'll be challenged in court. I don't know I don't know by who or what what the next steps will be but I'm I'm sure it will be challenged. right now? I believe that President Biden signed it into law. Um actually I know he did but the the timeline of execution, you know, I think what they they gave something like 180 days for TikTok to be sold to an American company. Oh great. Give it to Bill Gates. But but even even if that like you know, that's that's a pretty pretty tight turnaround when you look at that but that doesn't negate all of the

92:33other provisions within that law that further violate our civil liberties. Do you know Adam Curry? I don't. Adam Curry used to be an MTV VJ. He's the original podcaster. He's the podfather, the the real number one. Brilliant guy but I had him on the podcast quite a while ago and he said that all this uproar over TikTok is total [ __ ] He said what it is is the Chinese are eating our lunch. Like they've developed an app that is more addictive and collects data just like our apps do but and we don't like it. We don't like it because their their one is way better. And so they're trying to do something to shut it down because they're using it to influence us and like hey, we're the only ones allowed to do that. And he that's what he thinks. And when he said that I was like I never really considered that cuz I always was

93:21like oh this TikTok is like really bad. You got to like read the fine print. And it is bad. I mean if you look at the just the terms of service like when you're you're agreeing, you know, the conditions that you agree to like They they get to monitor your keystrokes. So that means they can probably monitor your passwords. They can probably check out all your emails. They get to monitor other computers that are connected to the network even if they don't have TikTok on them. Like it's bananas. Yeah. But Who else is doing that? Yeah, exactly. Are they doing That's the point. When you and I are having a conversation and then all of a sudden we talk about Toyota trucks and there's a app for a Toyota truck. Like hey, did you guys know that we were talking about? Are you listening, Google? What are you doing? Like, how do you Google, Meta, Facebook, Instagram, all

94:04of it. [ __ ] do you know what I'm interested in? Right, exactly. Cuz they're trying to sell you things. They're all trying to sell you things. Of course, of course. Yeah, and the best way to sell people things is find out what the [ __ ] they're talking about. What do you want? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it makes total sense, of course. Like, Elon and X was Well, Elon specifically was the only one who stood up amongst our American big tech companies to say, "No, this is a very bad bill." The others, to my knowledge, were very, very silent, or they were actually coming out in support of it. Competition, makes sense. The other The other piece of that is um other than X and TikTok, the Biden administration has been very successful at working with Google uh and Meta, Facebook, Instagram in being able to control uh quote-unquote disinformation and

94:59information. Mhm. So, when you look at it from a government standpoint, well, why why If you're concerned about data security and privacy, why why aren't you doing it across the board and treating every social media company that Americans use with that same that same standard? Well, maybe they're they're just going after the ones that they can't actually control and intimidate into doing their work for them, which is why it makes sense why Elon Musk and other would say, "Well, of course." A- If If today is TikTok, then why wouldn't it be X tomorrow? It's interesting to me that people don't seem to understand the value and importance of a guy like Elon. He's just wild billionaire character likes to dunk on people. Like, that guy being like, "Did you see that thing that he posted the other day?" Cuz there's a one of the guys who's like from

95:48Facebook, I believe, uh said that uh what Elon is doing is corruption on like an Enron level. I think he compared it to. So, Elon posted a photo of a dog laying its balls on another dog's head. I did not see this. It was like dunking on this dude. I'm like, how wild is this guy? And then someone said, "Did you really spend spend 44 million billion dollars on on Twitter so you can dunk on I don't know how he has time for this. I mean get it. I don't understand it. Doesn't make any sense to me. But he does. else that he's doing. It's He's a fascinating guy. Yeah. I mean, his his brain is a [ __ ] tornado of information just flying around all the time. And I think it helps him to be able to just [ __ ] around and be silly. Yeah. But he was the only one that recognized that there's a real problem if you have the entire narrative being

96:47controlled by one ideology through all the social media apps. And that's what's going on. Exactly. They're all tech companies. Tech companies have high hired people that are coming from universities. And they're all infected by this ideology. And it's nuts that that's the case. Yeah. And then they've done a really good job like if you go to like Gab or any of the other ones, especially initially, like it was so nuts. You're like, "Oh my god, I got to get out of here." Yeah. It's like like going to a Nazi party. Like, uh like even if you're not a Nazi, like they're Sieg Heil-ing in the corner. Like, "Shit, I got to get out of here." You're like, "I don't know how this is been in those rooms. I don't know how it is now, but I guarantee some of that was fake, too. Mhm. I guarantee when they came up with these alternative platforms

97:29that they people wanted to squash the idea of having people that were free outside of Twitter and Facebook that were reasonable people that just wanted objective conversation. Which I guarantee most of them were. Yeah. Most of them were tired of being censored on Twitter and shadow banned and all that [ __ ] So, they try these other whether it's Gab or Truth Social or any of them. Right. I guarantee you if Look, if I was a intelligence agent and I was inclined to do I would get in there and start seeking island. I'd go crazy. I'd I'd post the most racist memes and have everybody salute. I'd go nutty. I'd have fake accounts liking those things and getting excited about it and reposting it because that's how you make a place toxic. Mhm. And that's how you kill the competition. Right. I would do that. I would do that if I was running Twitter.

98:14Right. If like if you're just if you're just a I obviously wouldn't do that me as a person. Yeah, I know. Of course. But if I was a evil [ __ ] Yeah. I would be like this is the way to do it. No, it makes sense. It makes sense. How do you make it a place where people don't want to be? How hard is it to do? You hire a bunch of people to do it. You get algorithms. You you develop them. You start posting memes and [ __ ] Yeah. Easy. Yeah. Now now you make it toxic. Yeah. Now I look at it and go I got to get out of here. Exactly. Yeah. And so then you don't have an alternative and you go back to Twitter and you just deal with the fact you're being censored and you deal with the fact that if you're a left-wing person, you could say the most outrageous [ __ ] You can call for violence against people. Twitter caught selling data to

98:51government spies while complaining about surveillance. In for a penny In for a data mine. Is this recently? What is this saying now? That they have a deal with a company called day data miner. And what does data miner do? Uses AI technology to constantly monitor public activity on social media and other parts of the web. In doing so, its clients, often law enforcement, can receive customized real-time alerts of what's brew on what's brewing online, which helps in the response to natural disasters or more ominously spy on protests, notes the intercept. Okay. But also does allow them real-time alerts of what's brewing online. So, you're not saying they're censoring people. You're saying that they're allowing them to look at data. So, that data could be like how many people are posting about some sort of a protest where they want to burn down

99:46a church or what whatever the [ __ ] it is. Mhm. You you're talking about a different thing than banning people from posting things, especially these people that are experts from Harvard and MIT and this is a different thing. I've seen I've seen I mean there's a data miner app. I've seen how the information flows through. I don't know what the It says the story revealed the surveillance firm pays for special access to a fire hose of data from Twitter. I'd be curious about what Yeah, what does that mean? hose fire hose of data is. Data Miner has a unique contractual relationship with Twitter whereby they have real-time access to the full stream of all publicly available tweets. So, but it's just publicly available tweets that are already available. So, it's like a very high-level search function. A company representative said in an

100:41email to the government agency per the report. So, is that like a a search function? Like cuz it it's all public tweets. So, they have access to the stream of all publicly available tweets. But doesn't everybody have access to the publicly available tweets? Yeah. Not with AI. Right. So, software Right. monitoring it. Right, but if you did have an AI So, like like say if you had an AI, whether it's Google's AI or any AI, you said, "Hey, go look at Twitter. Tell me who's talking about Nazis." Right. Curating curating the tweets that are coming into your feed. That's part of what he's been complaining about online is how many people have and they've blocked access to many programs that that did have access to the API because it costs money for them every time someone's taking that. So, they just kind of cut it all off. Mhm. Like I used to use TweetDeck

101:28to look at Twitter all the time. That doesn't work anymore? You have to pay for it. Oh, interesting. Oh, interesting. How come? Because I don't honestly don't know. Arguably it would just be like it was a good feature, so like you might as well make people pay for it cuz they need to make money, but TweetDeck cost? It's part of Pro, so you have to pay for Pro. Okay. It's like 20 bucks a month or some [ __ ] And then there's the other thing where like Apple takes a slice of that if you're getting it off of your iPhone, right? If you get from the App Store. If you That's where if you if you pay for it on like Twitter on the website, no. But if you use the phone app on your phone to do it, That's what I'm saying. Apple's got the wildest thing going. They get 30% of everything. They have so much money. They have more money than countries.

102:10There's a lot of countries that don't have as much money as Apple. Yeah. I believe it. It's pretty nutty. That's being challenged, I feel like, in a lawsuit, too. Right? Yes. Well, there's certain there's certain things that Apple does that are thought to be anti-competitive in a in a kind of a creepy way. And one of them that they just recently got rid of is the lightning connection, right? So, up until iPhone 15 or 16? 16? What are we on now? 16? 15. We're on 15 now? So, up until 15, you used to be have to use a lightning connector, which which only works on Apple devices. Now, you can use a USB-C, which is way better. It's better for data connect It's better for connectivity. It's better for charging. You get faster charging. Like the Android phones, like particularly like Samsung Galaxy, to go to full charge is like an hour less time. Mhm. Cuz it's

103:06It takes faster watt charging Okay. than the iPhone does. And for the longest time, it would be much better transfer of data because of USB-C. It's just It's just a better, more efficient system. But Apple's like, "Yeah, you got to use our stuff." So, the European Union, I think that was the problem. They couldn't sell them over there anymore. They made it illegal. So, then they had to switch it over to USB-C. So, now everybody at least has a universal thing. Yeah. And then there's the problem with text messaging. So, if you have an Android and you send me a text message it out green. And I send you one it comes green. Cuz it's text. It's SMS. And so now they're they're going to adopt RCS. So the idea is since you can't have iMessage on everything, at least you'll have encryption and you'll be able to send large file sizes. And that's what

103:53RCS is, which is like a higher level of text messaging that's been enjoyed by people use Androids but not when they communicate with iPhones. iPhones were forcing people to use SMS. But it's it's it's shitty. It's inferior. You get like blurry images and videos. It's not the same resolution. They cuts it all down because it Cuz it has to fit in the SMS format. So now you'll be able to share photos just like you will with an iPhone with a iPhone to iPhone. Interesting. Yeah. So no more green green text messages? Nope. Most the the text messages will still be green. Oh, interesting. it'll be Yeah, they want to make you feel like [ __ ] They want you to feel like [ __ ] for having a different device. I think I Yeah, exactly. It works, kids. It does work. The thing with kids, I think with teenagers, see if this is true.

104:41Um I believe I read that it was something like 86% of all teenagers, it was some high number, of all teenagers use iPhones. They like you're shunned if you use an Android. Yeah. Which is crazy. It is crazy. Weird. Yeah. It's but that's how tribal people are. We're tribal about our cell phones. What's nuts. We're tribal about the kind of computers we use, the kind of sneakers. I'm an Adidas guy. [ __ ] Nike. You know, like people are crazy. 87% of teens in the USA have an iPhone. While 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone according to a survey from investment firm Piper Sandler. That is a monopoly. It's a huge monopoly. That is wild. It's wild. And how they control their apps and how much money they make off the apps. Well, also their their whole ecosystem is amazing. It's really good. Like they figured out a lot of really good things.

105:34Yeah. Like it's so convenient that I can write on my computer and then I can transfer it to my notes and it's automatically on my phone. Exactly. have to do anything else. I use that all the time. It's so good. Yep. That's so good. You can do that with Samsung. You can do that with Android. You can do that with it's just you know, you'd have to switch systems and like relearn how that it's not hard to do. They're they're pretty intuitive. You know, I have a Samsung phone. I have a older one. I have a Galaxy one of the Ultras that I used to think took a clear photo of the moon, but it's actually [ __ ] Yeah. Do you know that story? You don't know that? They got me. They got me. There was a feature that's still a feature. It's kind of amazing. It's called moonshot and so you could be looking at the moon. If you look at the moon with your iPhone

106:17and try to take a photo of it, it looks like dog [ __ ] It looks terrible because it's just like this blurry thing and even if you zoom in, it looks terrible. But with Samsung's, when you zoom in and it holds a square over the moon and it enhances it and it gives you like a 100 x zoom. So you get this crazy digital zoom. You zoom in on the moon and it looks really clear and you take a photo, but it turned out it was just AI. Because No. Yes. Yes. Cuz some clever internet people, cuz you can't fool the internet, what they did is they took a blurry image of the moon and they put it on a desktop computer and then took a photo with the camera of the blurry image on the desktop computer Oh. Wow. [ __ ] That's kind of smart. That's a smart hack to figure it out. I've seen people try to argue away it and say, "Well,

107:11it's actually no different than how AI enhances normal photo." No. Yeah. No. No. You take a picture You're talking about the moon. There's There's a lot of detail there. Yeah, what if there's a UFO I missed? Right. there's a the and your trying to tell me the mothership is her circling around the moon and you're lying to me. You guys are liars. Oh, man. The technology is actually superior on those phones. The Samsungs? Oh, yeah. It's it's quite a bit better. The screens are quite a bit better. The screens have an anti-reflective coating on the new S24 Ultra. So, even in bright sunlight when you're outside, you could read your screen perfect. It doesn't you don't have the glare that you do when you try to look at your phone like this. Yeah. You have to do that with Samsung. Interesting. You also have superior battery life. You only have

107:58like a tiny little circle that's missing from the screen for the camera. You don't have that big ass stupid bar that's in the front for face ID. Um there's a lot of things that are there. It has a pen. You could write on it. Like it's it does a and it has AI features. It lets you translate in real time. You and I could be having a conversation. You could be speaking Spanish and it would show me in English in real time. And then I could speak to you in English and it would show you in Spanish. So, the phone gets split down the middle. So, this side faces you and that side faces me and we would have a conversation and I could read what you're saying. Mhm. And then you could wear these earbuds and it'll translate it in real time. Oh, wow. Which is crazy. That's incredible. It's crazy. I tried using the the Google Translate app when

108:43I was down at the border and talking to different people from different parts of the world and it sucked. It like the intent I think was for that to happen is like you just turn on the microphone and then I could speak and they could see in the screen like it's it's translating into their language and then they could respond in their language and you're just seeing it play out real time, but it didn't work. It didn't work. didn't work. The thing froze or it didn't translate and then you got to push all these buttons and then even then Well, the Samsung one is using AI and I think it's the most advanced version. It also has a thing where it lets you organize your notes in AI. Mhm. So, and also it'll change the tone of your text messages. Like it'll suggest things that are more polite or more friendly. Yeah, there's like modes

109:28that you can do. So, you can do AI for that. You can also might piss me off sometime if I don't really want to write a polite text message. Right. Well, then you don't have to. You can write it in your own language. You can write it however you want. own voice. But then you can also ask it to make this more polite. Oh, wow. Okay. That's what it is. So, it's not It's not like Hey, hate Tulsi. How about you be a little nicer? Right. Exactly. Okay. It's not policing me. It also summarizes web pages. So, if you go to a web page, you're like, "I don't want to read all this [ __ ] Give me a summary." And it'll like instantly and it'll say, "This is what's going on. This is the problem. Here's Here's what's the dilemma." And you're like, "Oh." It'll break things down to you. So, it's using AI on the phone. ways. But 86% of kids don't have it. Yeah. Weird.

110:16The um have you heard of this Unplugged phone that uh Eric Prince is Yes. doing? Yeah, I have heard of it. It's um it's interesting. I I I just got one. I haven't set it up yet, but it it it is what they're saying is the most secure means of communication. Obviously, technology is never 100% secure, but the fact that it does not have the same ad ID numbers that every one of our other phones has, Apple, Samsung, whatever, makes it so that we are able to protect more of our information than we would otherwise. You're right, but do you get to use apps with that? Like can you use Instagram? have their own They have their own operating system and their own apps, but you can also download whatever apps you want to download. But if you download Instagram settings you you you are able to actually make it so that Instagram is not able to

111:14collect the kind of data that they would otherwise. Yes. So, what is it operating on? Like what is it like graphene? Like what is the operating system? it up yet. It is It is an operating system. They They got the guy who as their CTO who created the Pegasus system. Oh, great. You can trust him. That's That was my question. If you're going to make But first of all, if you're going to make a honeypot phone. Yeah, there's two sides to that. Is if you created it, then ideally you would know how to protect against it. Right? Yes, for sure. Or you would say, "Look, the kind of people that want a phone like this, these raw raw [ __ ] the government people, like these type of people that might get visited by the FBI. Give them a phone, call it the like the Patriot phone or whatever the [ __ ] you want to call it."

112:07And make it a nice little honeypot. I'm not saying that it isn't No, no, no. No, well, I I That's why I asked them, like it sounds like this is the perfect kind of phone for people in the military or people who are conducting different kinds of operations because of all of these protections and so on and so forth. And they said they're intentionally not selling to the US government because they don't want that doubt to be in people's minds that this is some kind of op that's happening that will allow some kind of surveillance take place. Anyway, it's interesting. Um that is interesting. There are There are other phones that do that. Um there's phones that operate on um they operate on a an operating system called graphene OS. So, you take a a phone like a Google phone and they de-Google it. So, they remove all the the Google stuff and then

112:55there's there's a bunch of detailed instructions of how to do it. Right. And then they put this new operating system on when the new operating system works, all your [ __ ] doesn't work. Like all the normal Google services and all that stuff. It's a completely different operating system. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so you get like they have figured out how to do both. You can toggle on and off what mode you want to be in and it's got the VPNs and That's a suspicious hippo face like Yeah. Yeah, skeptical hippo. Yeah. Um yeah, if someone did figure something like out that'd be great. I've asked Elon about that once cuz I'd read this story about a Tesla phone. He's like, "Oh god, I hope we don't have to make phones." But it's the way he said it, "I hope we don't have to make phones." Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz then you look at the interconnectedness between

113:52um you know, Tesla and you look at obviously the power element and then the car element and then you look at um the content platform that they are building X into like the the vision that they have for it to be the one-stop shop not only for all different kinds of media but for you know, payment and interaction and business and commerce and everything else. It it it's interesting when you look at that direction of It is also interesting that if you have a Tesla and I have one, I love it. You you can't get Apple CarPlay. Doesn't come with no Apple CarPlay. [ __ ] off. Interesting. [ __ ] off, stupid. Use our [ __ ] So what can you use then? Just their organic can Bluetooth your phone. Like you can play music. Like if you have Spotify hooked up to your phone on Bluetooth, you play a song on Spotify to play on

114:41that. And you also have like there's a lot of options like Spotify's built into the system. Spot like so you could just like tell it you could even like press it play Notorious B.I.G. and it'll just start playing random songs. You can tell it what song to play. You press a button, you say, "Hey, navigate to Eddie V's Steak House." Okay. Bam, it'll take you there. Okay. So and it's got this big ass huge screen. So it's a giant like I don't know how much how long it is. What How long is the screen in our cars? It's like 18 in. Looks like it's about 18 in, right? And it's just massive map. So, like for navigation and everything, it's great. Yeah. But, if I was going to make a phone, I wouldn't allow Android or Apple to like have CarPlay. [ __ ] off. Right. Right. [ __ ] off. Use my [ __ ] And then And then once you develop an X

115:30phone, Yep. I wouldn't allow that. it. I could see it. I'm I'm sure he's thought of it. I'm sure he's thought of it other than me saying that to him. I'm sure that's not the first time he thought of it. Yeah. Because if anybody could pull it off, it's probably Elon. It's probably Twitter and X, whatever. Yeah. If if they came up with a SpaceX phone, all the nerds be like, "Give me, give me, give me." Come on. Especially if it was good. And especially if people move to more secure messaging systems that are end-to-end encrypted like Signal, which also I get skeptical about. Like, wasn't I read something on some one of them forums where they were saying that Signal was funded by CIA money. Is that true? Which is not That's not good. And then there's WhatsApp, which is owned by Facebook. Yeah. But, WhatsApp is not a secure form of communication. No. Is it sus?

116:23No. It's more than sus. Super sus? Yes. I just want to hear you say super sus. confirmed sus. How about that? Freedom of the Press Foundation acted as Signal's fiscal sponsor between 2013 and 2016. The project received grants from the Knight Foundation, the Shuttleworth Foundation, and almost 3 million from the US government sponsored Open Technology Fund. Hm. Um yeah. What does that say down there on Reddit? Article claims Signal's origins as a US What's this article? Um asset are public record and a lack of funding is because of the CIA. Found this article that makes it clear that Signal's origins as a US government asset are a matter of extensive public record, even if the scope and scale of the funding provided has until now. Does anyone here know what public records they're referring to here? It says if so, does anyone have links to these

117:27public records? Does this mean Signal is a honeypot? Hm. It all They also say that Signal handed people over to the CIA. I'd like to know what actually evidence of that exists. If it's true, that kind of sucks. That's what it says there. Yeah. But Tucker said that he was communicating through Signal and that the government contacted him and said, "We know that you're setting up a meeting with Putin." Yeah. Because we read your Signal. And he was like, "I didn't know you could even do that." Well, this connects directly back to the FISA Section 702 law. Because if they are surveilling certain foreign entities in Russia, then an American citizen like Tucker Carlson communicating with them, the government is then able to just immediately go in again without a warrant and saying, "Okay, we got to go before uh you know, a judge." And even if they

118:19do go before a judge, it is a secret court. There is no There is only one side that's presented, which is the government saying, "We need to go and capture all of Tucker's data." For example, I have no idea if this actually happened, but let's say that's that's the scenario. That court uh and this is public information. That court approves of all requests that the government makes to go in and surveil American citizens. It's essentially a rubber stamp, which is exactly the problem. But that's where I could foresee, okay, well Tucker's communicating on Signal. Um this surveillance law that just was strengthened recently when Congress passed it and Biden signed it into law, allows that to happen. Mhm. So, it's all [ __ ] then. So, signal, unplug phone, all that stuff. If that's the case, if they have the ability to read signal, don't you think

119:12they have the ability to read every single piece of information that gets sent from your phone, they can intercept it and read it. It just makes sense to me. that. I don't know how you're going to protect that. Maybe I'm ignorant, but I don't understand how you could protect that with a different operating system, as long as it's using the same cell phone signals. It's like I I understand that you're saying it's encrypted, but is that encryption impossible to crack? Like isn't that is there a source of that encryption? Couldn't someone just get the phone and just figure it out and back engineer it? Seems like they could. An interesting thing about, um, I asked the same question about this unplugged phone, and if you're using, which I hadn't heard before about any other app, but if you're using their, um, version of signal, their, you know,

120:00texting app that you can do calls and FaceTime and whatever through, with another app app on another unplugged phone, every time you connect a call or you send a text message, it generates a new encryption key. Versus signal, which is when you download it and you set up your, you know, your account or whatever, that is your key. So, but would you have to have an unplugged phone for me to talk to you in that encrypted app? That's what I I Yes, I believe so. to have it and I would have to have so, because I don't know that their app is available on Apple, for example. Right. See, that would be interesting if someone developed something that did that, that developed a new encryption of a new a new encrypted key every time you're using it. Yeah. And starting a conversation. That that that's It all seems like But but you know, it is it's true.

120:56race. Yeah. It just seems like there there the boundaries between people and privacy is signal facing collapse after CIA cuts funding. Oh Jesus. an investigative journalist on a website I then looked up his account his account is suspended on Twitter or X. I don't know why but this is an article that says some interesting things. Hm. But I it's I don't know how much of this is fact. That's almost why I hesitated to bring it up. It does say A A friend of mine So hold on a second. Never acknowledged in any serious way by the mainstream media, Signal's origins is US government asset or a matter of extensive public record, even if the scope and the scale of the funding provided has until now been secret. The app, brainchild of shadowy tech guru Moxie Marlinspike. By the way, That's quite a name. He came on a podcast. He's not shadowy? Yeah, he's on a podcast.

121:49Wow. Not shadowy at all. Interesting. No, like regular guy. Yeah. Like some of this is probably horse [ __ ] Uh real name Matthew Rosenfeld. How dare you, Moxie? You have a fake name? Uh was launched in 2013 by his now defunct Open Whisper Systems. The company never published financial statements or disclosed the identities of its funders at any point during its operation. Someone's involved in developing, launching, and running a message app used by countless people globally will nonetheless surely significant The newly published financial records indicate Signal's operating costs for 2023 alone are 40 million and projected to rise to 50 million by 2025. Rosenfeld uh boasted in 2018 that OWS never took VC venture capital funding or sought investment at any point, though mysteriously failed to mention millions were provided by the

122:45Open Technology Fund. Yeah, that's the money. Oh, oh, here we go. Yeah. Open Technology Fund was launched in 2012 as a pilot program of Radio Free Asia, an asset of the US Agency for Global Media. Oh, boy. Yeah. Which is funded by US Congress to the tune of over 1 billion annually. In 2018, the then CEO openly acknowledged the agency's global priorities reflect US national security and public diplomacy interests. Huh. Mhm. That sounds sus. Is that super sus? That Yeah. That that um That's a little iffy. It's very I I would say so. if it's or if it's not true, it's a disinformation campaign designed to [ __ ] Signal and to lose people's trust in Signal. Yeah, perhaps. That last thing there though is is is is a separate issue of concern of the United States government funding um US propaganda essentially in different parts of the world.

124:00I would like to talk to real nerds about this phone, this Unplugged phone. Yeah. The real nerds. Yeah. I would like to have the real nerds look at this and go yes or no. Like what do you what do you think is going on here? as well. Yeah. Is there uh reviews of the Unplugged phone by any of them super smart people? It still says it's on pre-order. Oh, but they have them. Bryan Callen has one. Tulsi, you have one? Yeah. It says buy now, but I don't um let's see what happens if I say buy now. I can buy it. Oh, so it's not pre-order. And that's just what it said. It used to be pre-order, like till recently? Uh I'll just show you where I saw. Mhm. Pre-order today. See? Right. It says deposit of $4.99. Well, just go to the actual ball. I did, and that's where like I started clicking stuff and it used to be maybe that was the link at one point in time. It said pre-order.

124:52Okay. Be interesting if people use this, but it's like I can I mean I need to I need someone to tell Is it Is it 1,900 bucks? I have two in the cart. What are you buying? Phones? You psycho? What are you doing? I was trying to see when it was going to ship. You psycho. You got It's shipping in 3 months. I mean, it's not available. You know what I'm saying? Right. What if we start using those? Mhm. I don't know. Yeah, it is it is very interesting because there are other phones that I've seen in the past who have tried this and not succeeded. Mhm. And I don't know whether it was a virtue of, you know, the time in our country where people maybe were just weren't that interested in having a secure means of communication or a secure phone. Uh Well, people don't want the inconvenience, and most people don't have to think about this, right? So,

125:36they're not thinking about the government looking at everything they do. What are they doing? They're just trying to get laid and trying to have fun. They're just trying to do normal stuff. They don't care. But if 86 or whatever the number was percent of kids use iPhones, they are locked into that ecosystem. You're locked in with your photographs, you're locked in with everything. Yeah, you've got Apple Pay, and you've got you've got the whole thing. All you need is your phone. You use your phone. I use my phone as a remote control to control Apple TV. It's crazy. It's really It's actually better than the real remote control. Because you can type on the keyboard instead of doing that stupid thing where you have to go Oh, gosh. Yeah. Letter by letter scrolling. You try to You try to find a movie. Like it takes 5 minutes to type it out. You can just

126:19type it on your phone. Interesting. Yeah, the the the Apple remote control thing is [ __ ] great. It's better. The the problem is when you have these walled gardens like Apple's ecosystem, it's very difficult when you have everything over there, all your stuff, your email, your this, your that. Yeah. It's hard. Yeah. And most people don't ever do it. They just go, "Ugh, too much work." Yeah. Like, whatever you're on, whether you're on Android or whether you're on Apple. But they try to make it easy. They try to lure you over. You know, they try to get you to switch. Yeah. Nobody wants to do it. I think that's where it is it it it is interesting to me that more and more people are paying attention to government surveillance, their ability to reach into our private information, and uh and and who is allowing that to happen. I think they count on the

127:10majority of us not being aware. And I think that is the case today. The majority of people are not aware, and they don't think of it as a primary concern. The majority of people are way more concerned about climate change. You know, because that's what gets people riled of people? I think it's a lot of people. They they'll say it at least. How much they know about it is weird. I've had conversations with people where they talk about like, "Hey, well, they they all agree, we we got to act now about the climate." And I go, "What did you hear? Like, tell me what you hear." Cuz like, have a conversation, let them just spill it all out. Yeah. Like, don't even challenge them. Just let them spill it all out. And it's like AOC talking about Palestine and Israel. It's like, "Um I'm not really deep. Not exactly. I'm not sure. Something bad.

127:52Something's happening." They don't know what they're talking about. And and if you say, "Have you ever looked at a video of the difference in the shoreline from like 1987 to today? Have you ever done that?" Have I done it? Yeah. I've seen I've seen for Hawaii. Yeah. What's the difference? Bigger. It is. Hawaii keeps getting bigger. Cuz Hawaii grows cuz it's a volcano. Yeah. But when you look at the shoreline in a lot of places, it kind of seems the same. And also these like [ __ ] psycho rich people are buying houses like on the beach. Yeah. Do they know something we don't know? Like, uh Don't Don't you think if they really thought that the oceans were going to rise 100 feet in the next week that the [ __ ] insurance companies would go, "Hey, Yeah. you're not going to you can't buy that." next 5 years. I mean, you know.

128:36Well, people are having a hard time getting a homeowner's insurance in California because of the wildfires. Yeah. That's true. That's a real one. That's a very big issue. That's a real one. That's a real one. And, you know, but they're not having a hard time with the right next to the water. Yeah. Like no one's getting It's not like um tsunami insurance. Yeah. It It's, you know, I mean, it like Do they even have that? Tsunami insurance? I don't know. I want to say yes. I bet that's like carved out yes. I want to say no. I think if you're a dumbass that buys a $50 million house in Malibu like right on the wall I want to be on the water. Like, hey [ __ ] You know how much water's out there? There's a lot of water. you know, the active volcano that we've had on the Big Island for so long, but the actual flow that happened through

129:23neighborhoods when the the floor of the the volcanic shelf within the crater fell through, the lava went down and started flowing through all these lava tubes that were running beneath full full fully occupied neighborhoods. Um people had bought land and built houses in those neighborhoods knowing it was a I think it was a lava 3 zone, which is like you're building on top of an active volcano's lava tubes. You You have to know that you're assuming that risk. Well, that when that happened, uh there were you know, lava spouts and little mini craters that were formed within so many of these different communities. We were going around there. I was with the head of the roads division uh for Hawaii County and we would go and look and like as soon as there was a crack in the in the pavement, be like, "Okay, we got to mark that one down on the map

130:15because that is, you know, the next day you see the steam coming up as though it's a lava vent." And then within the next day or two you would have an active like 20, 30, 40 ft in the air lava spewing up right in the middle of, like, a normal kind of suburbia-ish neighborhood. And this happened in 20, 30 ft? It happened in over 20 different locations within this particular area. And it was mind-blowing to to go there one day after the other after the other and see how quickly a beautiful little neighborhood turned into a complete bed of lava. Um so, this then begs the question, like, "Well, is your home insured?" Right. There was one insurance company in the in the entire world that would insure homes that were built in a lava 3 zone. Did they go under? Well, I don't think they went under uh because it's so freaking expensive most people just didn't have it. Oh,

131:12yeah. Most people couldn't afford it. It's a gamble, right? It is a gamble and and a crazy gamble. It was amazing to see how so many residents there recognized, like, "Okay, yeah, we knew we were getting this land. It was pretty cheap. Built a beautiful house knowing that this possibility could occur and frankly just res- It was amazing to see their respect for Mother Nature. Mhm. And knowing, like, we chose to live here. We rolled the dice. Madam Pele is doing her thing and Yeah. we're going to have to figure out something else. So, what is going on right now in Maui? Um Can I take a quick quick bathroom break? This is a good one to talk about, right? We're back. So, we were just about to talk about Maui. Yes. what what is going on No one is rebuilding homes yet. Their mediation effort is still underway. And the biggest challenge for

132:14the families who were directly impacted by that, who were left homeless, is the fact that they they still don't have anywhere to go. You know, they've been put up in um Airbnbs or in hotel rooms for a period of time. On Maui, the hotels are like, "Hey, we we need to be able to start welcoming in tourists back into the to uh the island." And uh so the governor is trying to work out a plan to be able to provide some form of semi-permanent housing for people. If they were to try to go out and rent a house on the market, it is it is purely unaffordable. And there are a number of families who are now faced with the tough decision of, "Do we just pick up and go and move our life out of Hawaii and to the mainland?" Which is heartbreaking uh given how many of those families, I mean, they've been in that community in West Maui or in Lahaina for generations. What is

133:06happening with the people that had mortgages? So, if they had a mortgage and their home was burnt down and they haven't gotten money from the insurance company and they haven't been able to rebuild, do they still have to pay that mortgage while this is all going on? You know, I haven't heard that raised as an issue. I would hope that the mortgage company would recognize what's going on, but it that that's that's something that's a good question. I haven't heard it raised as an issue from either residents or as part of the conversation around um housing for them. has no one been able to rebuild? There has to be um they they there are there are so many layers of toxins in the ground that have to be cleaned up and removed before people can go in and actually start start to rebuild. What to speak of just the the inspection and the

133:56permitting process and so forth. So, the layers of toxins just from the fire? From the fire and you know, you had like a gas station with underground fuel tanks that burned like completely to ash on the ground. Um the toxins that came from all, you know, different construction and and everything else that exists in the environment. So, all that stuff burns. It gets in the soil. It gets rained on. So, the the ground is contaminated. Right. And this is the reason why they can't rebuild? Yeah, and and they knew from the outset it was it was a known fact that it would take I mean, to if if it only takes a year, that that is a an expedited timeline is what I've been told. How long has it been now? Uh August will be 1 year. August 8th. The The most insulting thing was the $700 one-time payment from the government. Like, that is Who said yes

134:54to that? Who allowed that? Yeah. At the end at the same time releasing this number where they accidentally had sent Ukraine $6 billion. Remember that? Yeah, they said, "Oh, well, we we lost track of this $6 billion. And so, now that we've found it because of some accounting error, now we can go and send it to Ukraine." And they were automatically assuming they were going to send that anyway. Oh, we're going to be sending more. Don't worry. Of course. But no consideration at all. No, it You know, I I remember specifically when the fires had just happened, the White House brought in the director of FEMA to talk to the White House press corps, and someone asked the question, "What are you, FEMA? What are you actually doing for the people who've been impacted by this tragedy?" And the director stood there with a straight face uh and proudly said,

135:42"Well, we have provided a one-time payment of $700 to to uh everyone who has been impacted by this fire displaced by this fire." And that was her big announcement that she was there to make. One single one-time payment of $700. So, that means you have 700 servings of ramen. Yeah. Basically. Basically. I mean, you you can't you can't even rent a bedroom in someone's house for $700. It's It's just It's It's certainly can't for 8 months. No. That's what's crazy. No. $700 is so crazy. It's just such an insulting and ridiculous number. And the fact that they haven't given more It's like but yet they're flying people around on airplanes that come in illegally through the border. Yeah. Just like how much does that cost? Yeah, exactly. that program cost? Exactly. Like What does that cost? Multi-billions of dollars if I had to if I had to guess. It's um

136:42you know, FEMA has other services. It's a lot of bureaucracy. It's a lot of paperwork. And residents on Maui, they were being told like, "Okay, well, hey, if you accept this kind of aid from FEMA you are ceding some sense of your sovereignty or decision-making ability uh with regard to your land or your property." And all of these all of the red tape essentially that that caused a a people, a community, who were rightfully skeptical about government coming in and saying, "Okay, well, we're going to help you." When that same government said, "Oh, yeah, hey, we may at that time." And the governor the governor said this and then he corrected himself later on, but he's like, "Oh, yeah, we're thinking about and talking about how we can turn this entire place uh have the government take ownership of it and turn it into some kind of memorial or some kind of

137:31workforce housing." Which obviously made people really freaking mad. To say like, "Oh, who the hell are you to come in here and say you're just you're just going to take our land? You're just going to take it and do what you want with it?" So, they're they're obviously very skeptical and and rightfully so about you know, the fine print. What does it mean if I accept a few bucks here or there from the federal government? What what power am I ceding to you to determine my future, the future of my family, and our home? And unfortunately, the rest of the country has forgotten about it. By and large, yeah. Yeah, there's always a new thing in the news. There's always a new thing to pay attention to. There's always a new fear. One of the things that that has just recently come out, first of all, the Maui Police Department, they did an

138:15audit of what went wrong, what did we do wrong, what should we have done better, and kudos to them for actually doing this, and I think they came up with like 92 recommendations on things that needed to be fixed. They shared that with municipalities all across the country as like, "Hey, here are the hard lessons that we learned. You guys should take note and try to protect yourselves from having to go through what we went through." Um other agencies at the county level and at the state level have not been so honest or transparent about their shortcomings, and the most egregious one recently that our local news in Hawaii exposed was the head of Maui's emergency response division. He was off-island that day. He was at a of all places, a FEMA conference on Oahu when the fires happened. Oh. And instead of doing what any compassionate and responsible person and

139:11leader would do, you immediately get on the first plane out. You get a notification there, this, you know, this fire's happening on Maui. "I got to be there with my people, and I got to lead my teams to respond to this emergency." He It took him a few days to go back to Maui, first of all, but the thing that was and and I don't know if you can find this, uh Jamie, but they released his text exchanges that he had with his assistant, uh who was telling him, he's like, "What's going on with the fire? LOL." And the the assistant responding saying, "Ha ha ha, this place is like a circus." Their Their exchange was so so disturbing doesn't even put it lightly when you know there are people who are being burned to ash, burned alive in their community and their text exchanges like oh haha is the fire still going? lol yep now it's going in another place.

140:10I I couldn't I couldn't believe it when I read it. And this was the same guy Herman Andaya is his name. He he didn't show up and and show his face publicly until like 7 days after the fire and then he went and he did one press conference and then he quit and resigned. But there has not yet and I hope investigations are ongoing. There has not been any kind of accountability. At at at the various failure points that that existed in this response. If the government wanted to take over that land the best way to do it is to drag this out and make it so that people Exactly. Have no other choice. to do. They can't do anything. And then they just tell stories about it, you know, I used to we used to own that land. Right. There's a a native Hawaiian leader, famous surfer, navigator for the Hokule'a traditional Hawaiian navigation Archie Kalepa. He

141:05has been one of the most stalwart leaders for the community during this whole period in time organizing emergency response and food and shelter and you know community gatherings people come and play music at the end of the day throughout this whole crisis period and has been leading the charge. He's very well respected in the community in holding that line and saying we are not giving up our land. But as you said it becomes a much more difficult argument to make when people you got to live. Yeah. You got to be able to make sure your kids have what they need to go back to school and and and all of it. And how can you do that when you're in a constant state of of transition with no real timeline where they're they're not coming and saying okay hey you can go and start rebuilding on this date. Right. So they're going to have to do some sort of I mean, like a

141:57building a house from scratch. Right. Crazy. Most people don't have that money. And then also also like how long is this cleanup going to take? And like what it when does it start? And what do they have to do? I mean, I guess it's a massive excavation. is It is ongoing, but it is massive excavation and and it's And do they have an anticipated timeline? I heard from one guy they were looking at Well, hopefully maybe it might be September, it might be October, but you know, it's one of those things that one of the guys who's out there actually doing this is just saying, "Well, you don't know what you're going to deal with until you're actually dealing with it and it might take longer, it might not take as long, but it's one of those things that they're fig- they're not figuring out as they go, but they are being confronted with things as they go. Is this one of

142:43those issues where you wish that maybe you still were in Congress? Yeah. Yeah, because at least you could be talking about it. Cuz I know That was That was my hope and I talked with leaders in Congress and people who I still know there and just calling for uh oversight and accountability from the federal government because we saw many points of failure, everything from the immediate response to the whole water issue and the fact that there wasn't any water coming through people's hoses during that time. Um Now, why was that? The history of water on Maui is complicated. Uh and it's it's largely attributed to that of the fact that um the water is pri- is is a privately owned uh utility. And how that water is controlled, there is uh limited use of water at different times, how it's controlled, and where it goes. And and there was a a state water

143:42uh management official apparently who had some say in this of saying, "Well, you know, I don't think that we should turn the water on for this period of time because we don't know exactly what's going to happen. But my point is all of these things need to be very clearly investigated because people's lives and property were absolutely destroyed because of this. So was it because that water is a valuable commodity they didn't allow it to be used by the people that were experiencing the fire? There was some implication of I don't know. It it it it was like well we want to make sure that the water is being distributed equitably. And so we don't want to give it to one group of people over another group of It it really didn't make any sense what the argument was. But it was like hey you missed that critical juncture in that window because you were trying to

144:38ruminate. It was something to do with equity and and some theoretical argument rather than this is a community in crisis. There are fires burning in various different places. We need to get water to people who need it. There's also the the the thing about having above ground wires. Yes. Right? Which is crazy in a place that experiences storms. At a place that experiences storms but also on West Maui is traditionally a drier part of the island that also experiences wildfires even small ones on a regular basis that if they're not immediately controlled Is is this so disheartening that it's not receiving more attention? Yeah. This is this is you know you look at all the things that we've talked about. What what what are they actually focusing on? Yeah. Um and that's that that's where the opportunity and and it is such a dire picture, you know, it's it's

145:47a time where we are surrounded by literally insane people who are making decisions that that further their own interests and their desire to either hold on to power or grow their power at the cost of the well-being of the people and at the cost of our fundamental freedoms. And that's where, you know, this election our using our voice, our defending our freedom of speech by by speaking the truth and speaking freely, all of these things and our engagement with them as Americans, as citizens, it matters more than anything else. Because if we if we continue to to go down this track, we will continue to see our freedoms undermined until we wake up one day and this will no longer be the America that we know and that we love. That's a scary thought. And it is. Until the last few years, I never would have thought that was the case. I would I

146:48would be like, "Nah, we'll be we're going to be okay." Yeah. Now, I'm not so sure. Yeah, because I mean, we've gone through, you know, the political power has switched from one side to the other and back again and and, you know, you figure like, "Okay, well, I disagree with this person or this issue or whatever." But um being grounded in and and and having the confidence in the Constitution and these fundamental rights and freedoms is kind of like, "Okay, well, you know, we'll we'll we'll figure out the rest." But but all of that at for for everything that we've talked about, censorship and control and big government overreach and and and all of the government surveillance, all of these different things point to the very real risk and domestic threat that we face. Yeah, there's just so many factors that are simultaneously taking place.

147:42There's a There's surveillance. There's the invasion, which is kind of an invasion. I mean, you can call it The open borders. call it whatever you want, but it's people coming here that aren't supposed to be here. And I'm I'm for immigration. I'm just for them figuring out who's a criminal. Like Well, legal. And that And this is the thing. I've got a friend of mine who's about to retire, uh special forces Green Beret, served over 30 years in uniform. Um great great American who's has dedicated his life to service. He's about to retire. His wife is from a European country. And uh they want to invite her sister and her sister's family to come to the retirement ceremony. They're residents of Italy. They have been denied a tourist visa to come to America for 2 weeks to attend this special forces warrant officer's retirement. How's that? And this is These are like,

148:39hey, they got a family, they got young kids, they got school, they got jobs, and they were denied saying, well, we don't, you know, we we don't think that you have uh We don't have confidence that you will come back to your life in Italy. Hilarious. And yet again, people are coming through the border every day being picked up. Border Patrol has become like this uh Uber drivers for people who are breaking our laws from the moment they step across the border into our country illegally. And okay, so then they go out in the country. Nobody knows where they are, who they are. Are they really going to show up for a court date in 2 years or 3 years? And nothing is really truly being done about this. Yeah. Some of them seven years. Seven years between then and the court date. Okay. It's unclear. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It It almost seems like it's

149:30all designed to erode our faith and to make this whole thing something that's way easier to control because the way our system is set up right now with if you can express the freedom of speech, if you actually can do that, it makes it very difficult to really to control a narrative. That's it right there. That's it right there. Control and power and they're terrified of a truly free society where we can have a a truly free open marketplace of ideas. They're terrified of people being able to, you know, and and I saw this when I ran for president in 2020, we're seeing it again in in different ways in 2024 where they want to control what information you get about certain candidates, what information you're not allowed to see, who is being pushed forward and who is not and undermining our our basic responsibility as citizens, which is to cast an informed

150:24vote and engage in our democracy and actually have a government of by and for the people. They're terrified of us doing that and making what they believe is the wrong choice. So, they're trying to wait take away our right to do it so they can remain in power and in their minds I fully I I know many of these people and they feel justified in what they're doing, that they are the righteous ones, that they are standing up for America and standing up for democracy, so much so that they are willing to destroy our democracy to save it in their minds, which is a dangerous dangerous mindset that we could see in foreign dictators in different parts of the world and throughout history. It really is and it's astonishing how few people are willing to accept that it still takes place today. Right. have this thought that those things have

151:12been sorted out and that, you know, that was the case in the past but and even though history is filled with it and there's actually no instances of it not taking place. Right. You know, like, but now don't be silly. Right. Now we've got it. You got to leave hands We had We had Jann Wenner on here from Rolling Stone. Jann Wenner. He was trying to tell me that the government should regulate the internet. I'm like, "Government? The same people that lied about the weapons of mass destruction? Those people?" And I was like, "No, no, not Everybody wants daddy. They want a daddy to come along. No one is going to save you. No, exactly. you. People now we know that. They know that now. Yes. And no no one's going to save you. And we have to be aware of how [ __ ] crooked the system is. And I don't know how we're going to get out of it. I

152:04don't I don't. But I'm very happy that people like you are at least you have the courage to talk about it and so few people do. And it's it's a strange strange time to be alive. It was wonderful in a lot of ways. It's amazing in a lot of ways, but it's also it's like treacherous. There's a lot going on right now that's like it really makes you wonder. There's so much [ __ ] subterfuge and shenanigans. And so much money being funneled around and moved around. It's just like Ooh. I think that's where there is, you know, there there is a silver lining in what we have been through with through COVID and through everything that's happened since is I think more and more people are waking up and at a minimum just questioning what they're being told. Is this actually true? Looking for information and news from other sources than maybe they had been

152:58before. Yeah. And and and just what you said. No no one's coming to save us. I think that that is the message I'm carrying. I'm I'm on the road constantly and I'm talking to people whoever will listen at events and on different media platforms. Uh it's what I I focused on in my book for love of country. Um the truth about what is happening in our country, the experiences that I had in the Democratic Party that caused me to leave the party and understanding that in this situation and there's a lot to be fixed across both parties and the government, but in my experience and in the situation we are in right now with the Biden-Harris administration, they cannot be allowed to remain in power. We can agree or disagree on different issues and it's good and we should and we should have those conversations, but when you look at the unprecedented abuse of power

153:51that they are engaging in, undermining the rule of law, politicizing our government entities, targeting Americans, targeting Americans who happen to be their political opposition, whether it's Donald Trump or the mom who's protesting at a board of education meeting to have a say in what kind of education her child is getting. This is happening across the country and if we, the American people, don't do something about this and stop them and hold them accountable, what happens in these elections if they're allowed to remain in power, they will they will tell us, "Hey, you gave us a mandate. You said, 'Hey, good job. Thumbs up. Keep at it.'" and we'll see everything that's happened just continue to escalate to a point where I have I have no doubt that our freedoms will be eroded to a point where it'll be virtually impossible to get them back.

154:43And where do we go from there? America no longer becomes the land of the free and the home of the brave. It becomes the land of people who are controlled by the government and forced to comply or else. And if you dare to have the courage to speak up and speak the truth or say, "Hey look guys, the emperor has no clothes on. Boys are boys and girls are girls and that's just how it is." then you will experience the the retaliation or the consequences Well said. Thank you, Tulsi. Show your book For Love of Country. It's out now. Did you do the audio? um I did I recorded the audio. Excellent. There's a little uh there's a little line on the top of the cover there. You might recognize. Oh, it's me. I appreciate Oh. your words, uh your friendship, um your support, and your being such an incredible stalwart voice of truth and and providing a platform for real discussion.

155:47Where people can come and listen to those who have different viewpoints, different backgrounds, different experiences, and maybe they walk away agreeing or disagreeing. It doesn't really even matter. But having this kind of platform is such a powerful thing for everyone to benefit from. happen by accident. I So So I I went and I I was invited to speak at this Passover event a couple of days ago, uh but the guy who picked me up at the airport, his name is Avi, works in New York. Um their family hosted me, and uh he's like, "Oh, where are you going next?" I said, "Oh, I'm going to go I'm going to go to Austin. I'm going to see Joe Rogan." He's like, "Ah, I am like he's like, "I'm kind of pissed off about how popular he's gotten cuz I was one of the OGs. Like from the very beginning." He's like, "I know the I know the the roots of the Joe Rogan exper" Anyway, it

156:36was just it was uh you you got a lot of fans, but he he was particularly owning the fact that he knew he knew Joe Rogan before Joe Rogan was, you know, the Joe Rogan experience. Isn't it funny that people get upset when things get popular and other people find out about something? Exactly. But people do that with bands all the time. Right. Right. Cuz it's like your thing and They went mainstream. Now everybody likes them. It's like everybody likes the thing I like. Ah, it sucks now. Yeah. That's the beauty though of what you've done is like you've been you the whole time. And there's there's no like, "Oh, Joe Rogan's gone mainstream and he's different or whatever." It's like you're you're you, and I think that's what people are attracted to is just you know, you are who you are. I think that's what people are attracted to with you as

157:22well. And I'm very happy you're out there, and I'm very happy that you created this book, and I'm really happy you did the audio of it. Yeah. You know, I before I recorded it, I do a lot I do more audio books as well than I do uh I read it every now and then, but most of the time I I'm actually like if I'm on a plane, sometimes I read, but Yeah. Most of the time I'm sitting here listening to stuff in the sauna, or listening to something when I'm driving. And it's for me it's a use of time. Exactly. It's much more efficient. Exactly. Yeah. It was um you know, I poured my heart into writing this book, and I care very much about the issues that we're talking about, and I care very much about our country. And um and so in in some parts of the audio book, uh you know, it was it was emotional talking about some of the experiences that I've had, and while I was deployed,

158:16and and really truly conveying um what's at stake, and and the responsibility. And so I go through a lot of the problems. Um it's important obviously to talk about the solutions, and the call to action for every one of us as Americans. I don't care what your party affiliation is. That's not the point here. I'm urging people to leave this Democrat party behind because they are abusing their power and undermining our Constitution. Just as our founding fathers did when they created these founding documents, they disagreed heavily on a lot of different things. They had fierce arguments and debates, but they came together around the most fundamental principles of our country that are centered around freedom. Our ability to live in peace and pursue prosperity, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Now is the time that we have to come

159:09together as Americans around those foundational principles and get our country back on track. That is That is the most important task before us as Americans. Otherwise, it'll be too late. Here, here. Thank you, Tulsi, thank you for being here. I appreciate you. Great to see you. All right.