Joseph Valtellini

00:04and we're live what's up Joe good to see you man man I'm pump to be here I'm like a little kid here right now too man smiling around and loving it well I'm excited there's a big Glory event this Friday in Los Angeles I'll be there and um it's uh you got two World titles right no uh yeah two is it two World titles two World titles you have uh is jness and Israel Edison yeah which that's a wicked fight Wicked fight yeah and then you're looking at Matt Embry another Canadian kid against Dutch Beast Robin van Rus smallen oh yeah that's right that's right that's on the that's on UFC fight yes yeah I'm I'm so excy that the UFC and UFC Fight Pass is embracing Glory it's uh it's super exciting for me I think so and it was that uh that huge Collision card in Germany you had Rico versus B and UFC ran that pay-per-view for us oh really no kidding that was the first time the

00:52UFC has run anything um other than UFC so that's huge man like that's for us is a big accomplishment for kickboxing well we know we've talked about in this podcast we were just talking about it a couple minutes ago I think kickboxing especially highlevel kickboxing like glory is one of the most exciting sports in the world and it perplexes me and many other people why it's not more exciting because it's not hard to understand what's going on like one of the things about MMA that is uh very important to me is like when the fights go to the ground I have to explain step byep what's going on because otherwise people that don't know ground fighting they all of a sudden like why is he tapping but when some explains it to you you see it with kickboxing it's pretty obvious it's PR obvious kicks and punches and knees yeah just people getting smashed yeah I don't know I don't get it I

01:42seriously don't understand Dana White has a really good theory he thinks that PKA Karate from like you remember the the 1980s when they used to have those PKA Karate matches on ESPN remember when they wore the Karate pants and the big booties on their feet bouncing around yeah it was really just sloppy boxing with like some shitty kicks yeah but that's what even American kickboxing it's like they have a kick rule so what would happen they would throw eight kicks in the beginning of the round and then all of a sudden they box for the rest of the round exactly yeah exactly and for whatever reason and above the waist as well yeah which I think one of the things about kickboxing as opposed to the traditional martial arts or like taekwondo or karate is like as soon as you start adding leg kicks like it changes the whole game it's a totally different game it changes everything and

02:26we were talking before this fight about your fight or before this podcast your fight with Raymond Daniels which is one of my favorite fights ever because he is this traditional karate guy was a point fighting champion and he has Wicked kicks he's just one of the most spectacular and dynamic guys in kickboxing but your leg kicks and your constant pressure and just Rock Solid Muay Thai fundamentals you just chopped them down chopped them down and then eventually head kicked them yeah it's that those movement Fighters are very tricky and I think what made that fight super exciting was that old school UFC mentality you had two different Hearts you know battling to see which one was better and Raymond Daniels was undefeated he was just knocking people out with spinning hook kicks every time he was fighting so you know as a as a smart intelligent fighter you got to put

03:11pressure and I remember um we had a conversation about you know guys like uh Wonderboy Thompson why isn't uh his opponents calling someone like me to do it but you had a good point it takes a special fighter to really close distance and pressure like that and to be able to execute a game plan with heavy kicks like that so yeah you have to really have a high level Muay Thai game to deal with a guy like Wonderboy the same way because well Wonderboy is also real unusual in his use of the front leg like he is that sideways stance and he kind of bends a little at the waist and throws all those Wicked front leg side kicks and round kicks and on top of that he's a really good puncher he's good he's impressive yeah he it's it's the rematch is happening isn't it with Woodley yeah yeah it's going to be in March in Vegas that's going to be crazy yeah it's a good rematch it is a good

04:00rematch especially because Woodley was dominating that first round with his wrestling and really never took him down again M so I was like wow this is crazy like I wonder why he didn't take him down and I asked him after the fight he goes I have no idea why I didn't take him down again so it was just he was just in the moment he's just loving it man loving the moment loving the experience yeah it's exciting so you now have taken some time off uh from fighting because of concussions that's right and tell me about that so yeah it was actually I think you were at my last fight fight it was uh I fought Mark debont you know rest in peace I remember we talked about uh yeah what happened to Mark did they find out what happened to him I don't know a lot of the stuff is coming out is in Dutch and Dutch newspapers and I'm asking all of the Dutch Community kind of what's happening

04:43and they don't really know you hear different things and rumors but I don't want to listen to rumors like that I don't want to hear it from like a concrete source and he went missing and then they found his body then they basically found his body yeah wow so why or who knows but he great scary bro he was amazing excellent excellent fighter you know and uh he was another guy but boy you know you look at him he looked like a computer programmer yeah you know you know what I mean like it's it's uh it's interesting how looks can be so deceiving super super high level guy yeah but yeah that was my last fight and um from there it was actually a really tough I never really opened up about it to be honest with you and it was uh a very tough experience um you know you got to think I just win the world title I'm going home uh to Canada which my concussion was pretty bad I

05:29shouldn't have even gone on a plane home and next thing you know I'm at home and just the concussions got really bad I had to be you know hospitalized for a few days and uh I was in a dark room for 3 weeks man I could not get out of a dark room for three weeks I couldn't walk um I guess something with the concussion started causing some neuron um some nervous you know nerve damage dinging that could be me one of us yeah so start causing some nerve damage in back so I was like in a bed man couldn't even look out at at a little red light on my phone charger was too much really yeah it was bad man the red light on the phone charger would hurt your head I couldn't even look at a thing so it was at that point I was like man it's like I just win this world title and it was a really tough time and I this is actually the first time I've really opened up about it but it was a tough experience

06:15and being in that you know down state where you're basically in a dark room for 3 weeks um doctors were just you know handing me over ton of uh per cetes and oxies to kind of deal with the pain and it was a it was it was a tough time man and it really I think what was the hardest was what was happening mentally I'm sitting there being like man I just want a world I want to get back in there I want to you know do so much in this Sport and my goal was to be a legend in this sport but you know and then it got to the point I saw my family and how much it was affecting my family and that's when I decided that you know what let's put this uh on rest for a little bit so you win the fight and after the fight is over was it immediately that you knew something was wrong it honestly I had some adrenaline and I did the post fight uh press conference everything was fine uh just

07:04when I got back to the hotel room and I was throwing up and couldn't leave my room and I was surprised that I even got on an airplane home the doctors in Canada were like how the heck did you get on an airplane home yeah so it was scary times man and and it took a lot of good mental strength to to get out of it and now I'm actually in a in a position where I'm super happy and I'm loving it I got that whole color commentary rooll with Glory which has been incredible well that's it's great it's great that you found a way out of it but man I I would imagine when you were in that dark room and you couldn't even look at the light on a charger that must have been really really really uncomfortable to deal with it was tough man and and another like it's just the way how can I explain it it gets emotional sometimes you know it was a time where it was like I finally achieved what I wanted and no

07:50one has really um gotten to that level in the time that I did before I turned Pro I only had 11 amateur fights I only had 11 amateur fights and right away into the pro ranks I only had 14 professional fights so you got to think in 25 fights I was able to get in there become a professional win you know the world title in the biggest kickboxing organization all within 25 fights amateur professional combined and how old were you when you won the title uh 28 so you're still young you know I'm 31 right now but think about that you know like the amount of fights you had not that many and comparison a lot of these Dutch guys that have 100 plus fights lot the Thai guys that have more it's crazy to think yeah I think it's just bad luck sometimes and my style was a style that was really man you could watch any one of my fights and you're going to be entertained and I I understood the value

08:40of you know it's more than just a sport you got to win you got to dominate you got to be exciting um I think that's what I really did in my career and that's what I I got such a huge following behind me and you know it's just it was sucked because I I had more I wanted to show put it that way now when you see a guy like Mayweather who's gone through a career and he's like 49 and0 and is probably one of the best if not the best defensive fighters of all time and then you see what you went through with your situation do you do you look at a guy like Mayweather and say man maybe maybe I should take a different approach or maybe I should have taken a more safety first approach I'm torn between that because at one point uh that's Floyd Mayweather right and and you're looking at a guy who makes multi-millions a fight and um you know he has that uh support around him

09:31um and whether it's a boring fight and most people who watch The Casual fans who watch Floyd Mayweather think he's boring right right but really if you're a skilled fighter and you understand what he's doing you understand how incredible of an athlete he is uh but I was just thrown in there with the Wolves man it was kind of like hey you're fighting uh Kareem gaji in your third Glory fight um it's only his 100th professional fight and that's my that's my eighth so what do I do do I play the point games with someone who's been in that ring probably had a 100 amateur fights 100 professional fights what do I do so again I have to go in there I got to build a name for myself you got to think Canada there's no professional fighting in Ontario Canada where I'm from so there's no professional fighting I had no experience so my Approach was I got to bring the heat to these guys wow

10:19I got to bring the heat I got to be exciting and I got to finish just turn into a brawl just turn it in but again I wouldn't use bra yes yes yes people always say oh you're a BR or aggressive like no I'm a technician and actually when I'm coming forward and I'm stalking you I'm waiting a counter kick I'm waiting to use my low kicks I'm waiting to counter you so it's very calculated I wouldn't say brawling yeah uh that's probably not the right word but you turn him into very violent encounters always yeah always now when you watch um highle kickboxing like glory and then you see what's going on in MMA where I think the level of striking is certainly advancing you're getting better and better Strikers but it's really not the same level that you're seeing in like world champion kickboxing yeah it's totally different and people got to understand it's a totally different sport the way

11:06you would fight in kickboxing you're not going to fight the same way in MMA right like I mean there's takedowns and there's a lot of very successful kickboxers who don't do well in MMA a lot don't cuz they they keep that traditional Muay Thai stance where they stand very tall and they're fighting very tall and of course a wrestler is going to take you down um an example of um a good Canadian strike is Shane Campbell Shane Campbell when fights in the UFC and he's got an incredible background in Muay Thai but he stays true to sometimes a little too much to his Muay thae roots on the Striking you got to keep your hips back you got to move it's it's a totally different game you got a 4 o glove not an 8 Downs Club so changes yeah it also affects your offense too when you're worried about takedowns you're worried about all these different aspects fight yeah the

11:53clinch the cage you know have you ever fought in a cage uh no no we've been debating a lot lately I talk way too much about people getting annoyed cuz I think that they should do it on like a basketball court I really think fight should take place on a large surface with no obstacles no nothing other than the the fighters themselves did you like the pride ring over the Octagon or no I think rings are dangerous like you saw the Bernard Hopkins Joe Smith Jr yeah yeah I mean that's a good example of why I think rings are dangerous it's not often that that happens where guys get knocked through the ropes but it does happen and in Pride I think you know they they did a good job of Standing Outside the ring like the The Pride organization was good where they had a bunch of guys waiting to catch people it's still weird it shouldn't have to come down to thatd exactly

12:39exactly but I get it for MMA but for like a kickboxing I can't really see it being done in a cage I know I think you had him on John Wayne par yes yeah he does cage Muay Thai yeah yeah what what's your thoughts on that well he loves it you know and he does it with MMA gloves too that's dangerous man you're putting good Strikers on without a take down that's dangerous yeah it's a different it's a totally different thing you know I mean it's a totally different thing with those little gloves too right have you done any fighting with little gloves no I was actually planning to fight a few times cuz before Glory there was nothing uh you got to look there was originally it was K1 and K1 only had a lightweight Division and a heavyweight division so everyone in between kind of had to kind of pick away right um I actually fought in La um it was against a UFC fighter medy bdad okay so I fought

13:26medy bdad um in LA and it was just I tried making for the first time 160 and it was big guy what do you walk around at uh well my non-fighting walk around about 200 uh when I was fighting about 190 195 so you were trying to lose 30 plus pounds it was it sucked it sucked but I think I think that's the other thing MMA guys know how to cut weight a little better than kickboxers do I think there that wrestling growing up with that wrestling helps yeah but I think it's more Danger ous with with well I know it's more dangerous with striking than it is with wrestling and that's one of the problems with that wrestling mentality yeah brain's dehydrated yeah but see the the advantage in MMA of being bigger it's not the same as the advantage of being bigger in Striking because being bigger and striking is is important it's it's definitely a factor but it's so much more of a factor when

14:20you're clenching so much more of a factor when you take guys down you lose a little bit of speed sometimes and that Mobility yeah yeah um so when you were when you're thinking about sparring with little gloves what what differences did you notice or you think about fighting with little gloves it was more about moving more and I coach a lot of MMA guys and um I got got to work in the UFC I got to corner twice in the UFC which was pretty cool I had Mitch gon um and I got to Corner Antonio carvalo who was Mitch fighting um when he fought he fought um oh I have to dig deep here uh young kid I want to say he was Hawaiian maybe hm knocked him out I helped trained him for he fought W Watson he knocked him out with a left hook um who was that other kid that he fought but my last Antonio fight was against Derek uh Darren Elkins M that was one of those fights where

15:14Antonio got caught Drop pop back up and uh Eve LaVine called it off and we're like ah like it was an early stoppage but yeah he's protecting Antonio so it's interesting that a guy like you who is this very high level World Champion kickboxer learning how to fight and move with the small MMA gloves it kind of shows you that striking in particular with the MMA striking is still in a learning growing phase for sure because guys like you come in and you are like guys like Duke Rufus a former world champion himself who's really good at training guys and teaching guys Dwayne lwig is doing a good job perfect example yeah and it's there's so many different methods and so many different styles that people are trying to incorporate I just think it's fighting is I think people focus fighting the way I look at fighting it's not actually what you throw and I always get questioned what's a good coach

16:08versus a bad coach and a good coach is going to teach you positioning distance um he's going to tell you more of the philosophies and strategies around fighting where there's so many coaches and with MMA being so popular there's uh every every other corner has an MMA gym and these guys are basically putting these fighters on pads and they're just getting them tired jab cross hook kick jab cross hook kick more combination combination they get tired and they think tired equals good where they're so much more to fighting where's your distance control how are you moving you know like what are your counters how are you countering what are your defense people think there's yeah there's defense but there's different types of Defense you got head movement you got Shield defense you got footwork for your defense you know you got Parry so there's so many different ways but it

16:53does take good coaching in my opinion to take these guys to that high professional level and there's not enough of it yeah I agree and it's so hard for a young fighter to find really solid coaching when you start out you're really kind of lucky if you walk into a great gym your first time cuz so few people especially in the beginning really know how to differentiate between a great gym and just a regular gym it's it's very very difficult to tell yeah it's hard it's hard but back to your original question it's about mobility in my opinion uh guys in MMA need to know how to move a little bit better um I think footwork is one of the most important things in fighting him um and you got to be able to adapt if you're fighting a pressure fighter you got to be able to move and fight on angles um if you're fighting a guy who now likes to move a lot you got to be able to

17:40pressure fight so you have to have the coaching and the knowledge to be able to adapt accordingly yeah and another thing I think that a lot of people don't see when you're watching kickboxing or you're watching Muay Thai you're seeing these guys are standing close to each other and they're throwing kicks and it's like it's hard to tell exactly why they're doing what it's hard to tell exactly why one guy is more effective but once you see it and once you practice it and once you do it then it all starts opening up to you like a flower now when a guy like you is doing commentary it really helps because a guy who's been in there a guy who's been a world champion and you get to explain what this guy's probably thinking what's going wrong and it sort of I really like your commentary man I've been trying man it's still Lear thank you lot coming from you but it you're you're explaining

18:32things in a way that's opening up the game to people it opens up the sport where you go oh okay now I know what to look for now I know what what trends are happening see I'm trying to find the balance still I think that's a good I think that's one of my challenges if I come in there and I start talking uh you know his his left heel is about two Ines which is you know causing this to happen and his distance control is off he needs to slip off like it's too much sometimes so my challenge has been trying to kind of bring it down a little bit and try not to overly try to over educate yeah that's been my challenge the other challenge is try not to use the same word all the time that's what a good left hook what a big left hook I'm trying to change words man I need a thesaurus beside me and just try to write down or something man well I can tell you I've failed on all those

19:18exact same things talk too much talk too much say the same words too many times you know call People Too explosive and then like some people got mad for call them explosive or athletic how can you only talk about black guys you call them explosive and athletic I'm like okay there's white guys that are explosive and athletic too but you can't tell me that certain guys aren't explosive but how you deal with it do you okay with it now like I mean you probably it's been hard for me man people come out and they take all your words seriously you go online and people like a you freaking don't know and they're talking crap and I was like well they can't say that well anybody who says that you don't know shit's an idiot and you're going to get that but I think they keep you on your toes man I really do I mean I think I think for the most part the majority of respectful fans and

20:00even they might see something that maybe you don't know that you're doing that might be annoying and if it's annoying to them it's annoying it might just it might be only Annoying to 2% of the people but it might there might be a way where you could eliminate that aspect of your commentary and I know I've worked hard on that yeah I think it's good I think all the online criticism as much as it's uncomfortable like a lot of it a lot of Fighters heads up man kills people yeah I've talked to a lot of guys coaches that were like man those trolls man they with his head I'm like really and like yeah he's always reading the comments and going on forums that could be dangerous that could be freaking dangerous yeah I mean cuz you don't know who's making those things I mean that could be a 12-year-old kid who's on Aderall who's kicking his cat and you're you're reading this guy's

20:42words like as if it's gospel and you want to argue with them and guys get online you don't know and like your mother like what my mother you and then they think about it all oh yeah oh yeah it's harder than it I I thought commentary was going to be an easier job than I thought but it's I think it's harder than fighting right now because it's still new to me I've only done 10 Glory shows and um I don't think it's official yet but maybe I'll make it official here but uh Glory signed me full-time next year oh that's awesome uh glor's had huge shows I'm going to do 18 shows next year whoa and I don't know if you I don't know how much you know about my life but I'm also a full-time High School teacher you are yeah man no kiding so literally my morning I teach fed I teach at a a special education school so I work with kids with special needs behaviors autism so I teach fette

21:29to them so that's 9 9 like 8 what time do we start 8:55 to 3:30 then from 3 I have an hour to eat my lunch or my dinner at that point and then I have my own gym bazooka kickboxing and MMA and so you teach classes after that um I train and I teach classes couple times a week but we have a big program man our Gym's huge it's big it's popular so it's Non-Stop and then at night I go home and I have to do commentary what a bunch of lucky kids to have a guy like you as a coach that's that's amazing but I never really got to reach my full potential in all the things I wanted to do with kickboxing but this is where it's happening glory having me fulltime allowed me to take a year uh leave from teaching and again if you look at my Instagram you could already see the difference man I'm I want to educate people I want to get people hooked to Glory hooked to the sport so I'm posting

22:16training videos training tips I got Chris czi just uh commented on one of my uh videos being like hey man keep up the drilling I love the drills I had John MCD desie just private message me saying saying like hey man good stuff I've been following you so it's just getting that word out man that kickboxing is the and glory is where it's at yeah sometimes it's just a matter of like staying the course and continuing to put out content and we've played a bunch of your stuff on on here that's been huge you just posted something I just got like a almost a thousand new uh Instagram likes and follows so thank you man oh you're welcome brother yeah so now that you are in this position as Glory commentator and you've recovered from your concussion do you have any thoughts in your head of fighting again to be honest there's more money doing commentary than there is in the ring and

23:03that's where kickboxing is still at there's still not enough finances to make it worth but it also comes down to is any money worth Health at that point right you can make $10 million a fight but if you don't remember that fight after and you don't recover from brain injuries again what do you do I was having this conversation with some guys this week um that are not Fighters and they were asking me about uh certain fights where people got knocked out and you know how come you know when they came back you know they weren't as good and and my take on it was you never know how someone's going to recover from a loss you don't know physically and your case is a perfect example we're talking about a fight you won where you won the world title where you didn't get knocked out and I got knocked down but not knocked out yeah and you still had this concussion issue and when someone would

23:51look at you like right now you talk great you look fine doesn't look like there's anything wrong with you people would be like oh he's fine why can't he fine but you know what man there's it takes uh and I'm going to be honest with this whole recovery period and it it takes a lot out of you it takes you really have to find something deep with inside of you you have to find that mental strength to be you know what because a lot of what people don't understand with concussions comes depression and there's um depression is a big side effect uh depression is a big side effect of concussion so a lot of these guys that you don't see it yeah they just get knocked out and then they're forgotten about those guys go home they're depressed uh their brain chemistry is all mixed up their brain's not recovering the same way so it's actually hard and these Fighters are at

24:35home probably crying themselves to sleep they have headaches every day um but they just don't there's not enough education on what these guys are going through and suffering with and I know you're really big on it but one of the big things that has helped me and we can go we can Branch off on this is uh the use of CBDs for brain injuries that's been incredible for my recovery yeah CBD is is a non- psychoactive um compound that's in cannabis M and um it's a crazy thing that's going on here in the states I don't know how you guys treat it up in Canada but it's essentially being turned into a schedule one drug now even though it's not psychoactive and well it's 100% Shenanigans by pharmaceutical companies it's 100% influenced by these people that stand to lose money because CBD oil helps a lot of people with inflammation a lot of people with chronic arthritis

25:28cancer there's a potential to cure cancer I don't know there's not enough studies but hey yeah doing good it certainly helps treat it it treats inflammation and inflammation apparently if you talk to doctors they'll tell you it's a huge issue and one of the biggest issues when it comes to diseases discomfort and things like arthritis again and headaches you know like when you're taking a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory for a headache like if you're taking an Advil or an ibuprofen what you're taking is something that reduces inflammation I mean that's what it's for and CBD oil does the same thing but it's natural it's healthy it's not bad for you and it doesn't get you high it's not like something's going to you up at work it's been crazy because when I was going in that dark room there for 3 weeks I literally doctors were giving me like six to eight perco setes

26:12a day and they were giving me two muscle relaxing to for my back pain so what happened what's going on with your back I don't know something with uh you know the nerves from my brain because it must have damaged some of the inflammation and it was causing like this back pain and I couldn't even get out of bed with so they were giving me all of these things to cope with it when and then all of a sudden I got my sisters and my family to do some research at that point man I would have taken anything you could have given me Coke heroin acid you name it I would have taken it to recover cuz those pills they were messing me up I was going through like I was living in a cartoon world in that dark room I had no idea what was going on I was tripping out and then it got to the point where I was like listen I've been I got people to research and they said hey these CBDs

26:53help my family did all the research and they ended up getting me some CBD stuff and so how did what form did you take it um I got it as a as an oil and so did you just take it on drops in your tongue or yeah I put it underneath my tongue basically kind of thing and I was able to cut out all of those perco setes and everything just with CBD in how long of a time right away right away right away I stopped because again with those concussions and brain injuries a lot of times you develop insomnia so I wasn't sleeping I wasn't eating much what's what is CBDs and cannabis good for munchies munchies and sleeping so and it was good for recovery so it's it it helped manage to get off all of those painkillers and now I'm able to you know be healthy and control my brain headaches and stuff without having to take Ibuprofen and Advils are you still getting headaches uh they come yeah

27:41they're still there if and you got to remember I'm working three full-time jobs and right if you're not even if you you know your brain is healthy and you're working three full-time jobs you're probably going to get a headache or two throw your day yeah but when you get a headache it's a different experience I've had because you're also you know you're so aware where it can go yeah scary so it's been helping man and I know you have um it's on my list to watch but uh because I was explaining everyone was like yo you got to tell Rogan about your experience with CBD and um I haven't got to watch it I think you wrote it was it 2007 you came out with the Union yeah that was um that was a documentary by uh my buddy Adam who had um he lives up in BC and that whole area is essentially run by the marijuana industry even though marijuana's illegal Al so they made this documentary

28:30explaining how without marijuana your entire economy is like it's this underground economy and they call it the union it's a it was a really really good documentary and then he went on to make the culture High which is also an excellent documentary that he made after that watch I'll watch both well it's uh you know we we've been hoodwinked in this country unfortunately in all countries now because of the influence of America we've been hoodwinked by the propaganda that they came up with in the 19 30s which wasn't even about pharmaceutical drugs back then it was really about the paper industry huh yeah it's William Randolph Hurst who was uh a real creepy guy and he was uh the reason why uh Orson Wells made that movie Citizen Kane he was the he was the inspiration for that movie about one guy was kind of dominating the world with his influence and William Randol H

29:22didn't just own newspaper companies he also owned paper mills and he owned forests these enormous forests where they would drop down trees and make paper with them and in the 1930s they came out with a product called A decorticator and A decorticator is a machine that allow them to effectively process hemp fiber very easily okay cuz hemp is a very unusual plant and that like this table that we have here this is Oak and Oak is a very hard wood well hemp hemp is as hard as Oak but it's way lighter it's like a freaky alien plant like if you pick up a Hemp stock like this is a decorticator that they're uh this is this is a like a modern one I guess so you throw the the hemp fibers in there and it grinds them up which by the way hemp is still federally illegal even though it's not psychoactive and there's so much stupidity that's all attached to this one under so much uh TS uh has to be

30:17under 1% THC or is that a myth it's not I don't think make it legal to sell or something along those lines I don't know you you can grow it in some states but the thing is like federally federally it's still illegal but they're trying to change that it's just slow and painful and again it's all the propaganda from the 1930s so William Randolph Hurst who owned newspapers they came out with this decorticator and then Popular Science magazine had this cover see if you can find it Jamie hemp the new billion doll crop because because of this see they used to use hemp way back in the day like the drafts of the Declaration of Independence were written on hemp the the sales that they used for for boat were all made out of hemp all that stuff was out of hemp in fact canvas the word canvas comes from the word cannabis so the Mona Lisa is painted on hemp so they came up with that and then when Eli

31:08Whitney came up with a cotton genin cotton was more effective to use yeah they so they were going to use it for clothes and you see it on the cover of Popular Science magazine it was on the cover though Jamie see if you is it popular mechanics is that what it is anyway so they used to use it for parachutes they use it for all these different things but then when Eli Whitney came up with a cotton gin it was easier for them to make clothes out of cotton because hemp would requires a lot to break down the fibers and turn them into cloth yeah cuz it's a crazy plant and it makes this unbelievable paper like hemp paper is so Superior to this paper that we all use like this paper that we use is it rips so easy hemp paper is really R thicker but it weighs the same it looks the same it feels the same but it's just a better fiber so instead of William Randolph huris

31:59embracing this he would have lost millions of dollars because he would had to replant these forests and turn them into H he decided to go the other route and just start making propaganda against hemp so he started calling it marijuana see marijuana was never a name for cannabis marijuana was a wild Mexican tobacco they took this name from this wild Mexican tobacco just called it they started talking about this new drug that's making white women get raped by Mexicans and black people nice plant Wizards fight wartime drug Peril look at that we need hemp lots of it for corage but hemp means marijuana too can scientist take the drug Menace out of this useful plant hilarious so all this came from this one one and Harry anslinger who was the uh the guy in charge of uh well you know they originally got a lot of people that were involved in the alcohol prohibition

32:52and once alcohol prohibition was done they needed something else to fight so they said well look we got something right here which Al does more damage to your body than oh it does trust me I was drunk as Monday night I think Monday night I might have black I might have been blackout drunk people tell me sh for like three days probably oh yeah I feel like today a little bit but so this this propaganda by they're still fighting this they're literally still fighting this well that's kind of like it's a little different but why um kickboxing MMA was so hard to get into Ontario stupid you know legislature and stuff from years ago that the language ruled rued so it just ruins things what was the language it's something that something about the belts like we can't get kickboxing or Muay Thai in Ontario Canada because of belt no it's because of some language inside like uh legal

33:40documents and it's within that language it said something about um you cannot perform kicks or that's why like the UFC had so much difficult time to get into Toronto but it's in there now so it is but not yet kickboxing is not in Tonto above the waist only you can't do low can't do low kicking fights or professional Muay Thai in Ontario Canada that's insane all old from years ago that you know the commissioner was following from long time ago and even if you ask Fighters like I had a conversation with Matt Embry who's fighting uh Robin van Rus smallin and we were like I don't even know what why we don't even know it's just it's been in the it's in that legal document the way it's written and the terminology screwed us up but how's that the case when you can still have UFC fights and they're allowed to low kick in UFC fight I think it comes to money probably comes down to money like

34:34everything else yeah that's crazy it's ridiculous but you got to think too we're off the topic but look at the Canadian kickboxing Champions that have come out of Canada you had Simon Marquez you had um which again I know one of your favorite fights was Joe Schilling yeah Myra God what a fight that was insane yeah yeah and then went to the fourth round Joe knocked him out crazy fight yeah you had Gabriel Varga you had myself now Matt Embry uh Robert Thomas from Canada and we're producing all of these crazy athletes and we don't even have a professional system and it's crazy because there hasn't been one US Glory Champion well at one point in time before MMA or before the UFC really got a foothold in Brazil um the Canada Market was the biggest market for MMA it's huge outside of the United States that that one show we had at the Roger Center there 70,000 people it was

35:32gigantic 60,000 whatever the it was it was it was insane yeah and that was uh also a lot of it was because of George S Pierre and George being such a great representative of Canada a great representative of the UFC and a great Champion like people flock to him it's one of the things about Canada is how loyal Canadian citizens are towards their Fighters oh even if you watch Toronto Blue Jays the Toronto Maple Leafs man we're passionate fans that's why kickboxing has to come there if we're going to build it there's there's talks about it so can Glory make something happen here the rules here the fowls administering a kick to the leg spinning back fists are illegal striking the face with any part of the arm elbows are illegal chopping to the back of the neck oh they watch too much Flintstones karate chop striking a blow to the groin area Okay budding with the

36:20head what's the top one Jamie number one striking a blow with an elbow or a knee you can't strike a knee to the body I still don't get how it works hilarious but how did the UFC I think it's so it's got to be I think he need a big chunk of money to kind of even get the the commission to look at you so look at this professional boxing where blows may be struck with both the fists and the feet that is weird so this is the same laws that apply to boxing they use for kickboxing but you can only kick with the feet now what if you kick someone with a head kick and you hit with a shin is it illegal they don't even know that you're Shin kicking they think you're kicking with feet that's hilarious yeah sweeping above the ankle you can't even have a you can't even sweep someone it's it's it's ridiculous above the ankle so you can't sweep right you you can sweep shitty yeah if you that's

37:12right yeah you can fight shitty but it's it's okay yeah it's crazy intentionally using the knee as a block you can't block with a knee you can't kick below the waist so I guess there's no need to to block a what if you wanted to a a body kick you block with a body kick oh my God intentionally evading contact boy they got a lot of wacky rules striking a blow with an open glove well they they change the commissioner who was kind of really strict to this is now out so's see what changes using abusive language no Nick Diaz fights in Canada folks disobeying the referee going down intentionally intentionally using the knee as a block wow extending the legs for the purpose of preventing an opponent from kicking what yeah what in don't even ask what in the is that yeah it's it's messed up how weird is that extending the leg for the P purpose of preventing an

38:06opponent from kicking I'm guessing this was written in 1990 well that doesn't even make any sense like you can't even use a teep then like if you wanted to extend your leg like a tape is to extend the leg I mean you're front kicking a guy you're pushing him off you could say that that would like I've been to one of my um one of the guys I train is Troy sherid and he fought in above the weight kick boxing fight professionally he actually fought um another old UFC fighter Jesse Ronson he think he's fought twice on uh the UFC and before he got uh released Jesse Ronson who was oh Jean EES Terio yeah he was one of the best known Canadian kickboxers yeah he was a bad man above the waist above the waist kickboxer he was the he was the man back in the day and he was one of the few guys that was like really EXC exciting it would knock guys dead I didn't get to watch a lot of it but I've

39:01I've done my research and watched a few of his fights after and that's crazy I forgot about him for a long time until just this conversation well you got to think uh Rufus Duke rufus's brother sure yeah Rick Rufus yeah yeah Rick Rufus was one of the most popular I would say oh for sure well he was so flashy too he could do so many wild techniques inside the Octagon did you ever see the fight where he fought a TIE fighter yes I did yeah low kicks man that was an exciting fight too that was the break down of that his stuff's good he posted one with mine and Mark deun yeah he put a nice little the way I set up that high kick he's good yeah he's very good and it's interesting because the um that fight essentially changed a lot of people's ideas about low kicks because even Duke Rufus like they interviewed Rufus after the fight I think he was like 19 and he's like well it doesn't take any

39:51talent to just kick the legs yeah yeah yeah yeah remember that was crazy everybody had this weird idea you got ask him about that oh I've talked to him about it many times now but now he's a a huge low kick opponent he became a world multi Champion know he loves his low kicks he I guess seeing his brother at such a young age but that opened up everyone's eyes to low kicks oh yeah man but the low kick see people think like my style or the low kick style is like this new thing it's actually a really old concept that was kind of forgotten about and then there's only a few people that came and and stuck true to that low kick style I think it's underrated especially in MMA and I think I'm going to bring it up about MMA everyone's like yeah but the takedowns a good low kick is based off timing um if if I'm going to sit there and going to lead with a low kick against a wrestler absolutely

40:39he's going to take me down every time but I think it's the timing of the low kick that people need to understand if someone's exiting backwards that's your time for the low kick so if you put especially in MMA where people can't really stand in the pocket they move and they exit um as soon as they get outside of punch range that's perfect low kick timing you'll get so many free low kicks on MMA guys and their legs aren't strong MMA guys aren't used to that um body damage that kickboxers are and remember um my coach coached Gary Goodridge um and Gary once told me he's like uh when he fought both kickboxing and MMA he came back and said he's like I knew I can go to the Afterparty when I fought MMA but he goes and after a kickboxing fight he like I'm not getting out of my bed the you got to think how much Shin to shin kickboxers go through compared to an MMA fight yeah how often

41:30do you see a leg kick checked in in the UFC or there they they better it's getting better it's getting better but I I agree with you and that's another thing that people always complain about me that I'm always calling for low kicks and saying I'd like to see more low kicks I like to see him kick his legs more but I think you're right too that it takes someone who understands Muay Thai at a very high level to be able to pull that off and do it in combination what you're seeing sometimes in MMA is you would see it a lot during the George St Pierre era where guys were afraid kick because George was so good at timing explosive but again who was he fighting against he wasn't fighting against a guy who proper yeah and we don't really see that many people like I mean you have a few in theion would you say Jose Jose has spectacular leg kicks no doubt about it and he was killing

42:17guys with it oh yeah I mean you look at the fa fight was horrendous I called that fight and afterwards you know Uriah posted all these Instagram pictures and social that purple leg after had one leg twice the size yeah yeah I got there I have a meme on my phone I keep sending cuz a lot of times inpiring and stuff I'll smash my my guy's legs and then I'll send them the picture being like tag someone who doesn't know how to block a low kick and I just keep sending that picture out mess around with everyone but yeah it was brutal brutal now what happens to your oh there's there's yah's leg Yeah yeah he had to go in a hyperbaric chamber um to uh try to lessen the uh the injury try to heal the injury quicker but people don't understand the damage they do mhm it's like hey if every time you punch I smash your leg you're not going to want to punch me and that's the timing I use so

43:08as soon as someone Jabs you take the leg because when someone punches they have to put their weight on their front leg and once you put your your weight on the front leg you can no longer block at that point so if you watch any of my fights or guys with good low kicks they usually time the low kick off the hands because or the step because every time you step you got to be heavy on your on your front foot and that that's the opportunity to hit that low kick so you want to look for what I call free low kicks ones where they can't block so as they're exiting up or as they step in or you try to find those free ones when they're planted on their legs and they can't lift up their leg to block Jamie put up see if you can find um Joe's fight with Raymond Daniels cuz uh like I said before there was one of my and I'm a big Raymond Daniels fan by the way it's not a knock on him at all I think

43:53he's awesome and I think his style is very important because it's very it's very important to know that there is a guy who can do the kind of stuff that he can doc he does that jump Sid kick spinning back kick I'm Bang Yeah I mean he does a lot of wild inside the octagon and so this fight to me was a really important fight for just martial arts strategy and technique to to see how a guy like you who's you know super highle guy deals with a guy who's completely unorthodox in terms of traditional kickboxing techniques you know he's got a style that is impossible to emulate inside inside the gy and again I fought Kareem gaji over a 100 fights Nikki holtzin over 100 fights I fought guys Mark Deon over 100 fights he was probably the fighter I was most scared to fight because of all this wild I'm like man d i i the last thing I want to be is part of a a knockout reel

44:50of Raymond Daniel spinning hook kick knocking me the freak out so I mean that I was scared man so at this point like even even in round one it was just like what the heck is this guy going to do I had no idea what the heck this guy was going to do one of the things I really love about watching fight to is always have a very high guard very high guard very good fundamentals and even when you're doing those training uh sequences that you put on uh Instagram everything you do your your guard is high you're doing everything by the book solid Basics the key who is your original trainer uh my original trainer is Paul minass and that was the one who um trained Gary Goodridge through K1 and Pride but yeah Paul minhas he's the one who really developed my low kick style and I just you know was able to really put it together and showcase um his strategy of low kicks the way he used to

45:39explain it is that people think a low kick is a low kick but it's it's not you got to think um where on the shin are you Landing the low kick right if you land more of the lower part of your shin that's more of a setup you might want to use your low kick to set up your hands um you might want to have it as a feeler just as a distraction um if you start Landing higher up on the shin those are more finished low kicks uh the angle you throw it at the timing you throw it at so when we were when Paul was uh training me he would kind of classify like nine different low kicks based on where on the leg it's hitting and where on your shin you're Landing so there's so much more it's like a jab there's not just there's up Jabs there's you know jab with your head off to off on angles there's low Jabs High Jabs each jab has a has a different purpose and same thing with the low kick you

46:27just lit him up with that leg kick and you saw that little limp that guys start doing when yep see right there like once you start Landing these big shots to the legs you you slow him down considerably now what did you do to prepare for his movement and this front leg style cuz he he was throwing a lot of front leg Sidekicks to your front leg it was just this fight um what a lot of people don't see when you fight it's a lot of it is ring control um you can't just Chase Raymond D you have to get him against the Rope you got to Corner him and if you see when he blitzes I don't move back if you move back you give him an exit and an opportunity to escape where if you stay see when he blitzes I stay right in his pocket and it opens up the low kick and you're forcing him to move backwards as well which is very tiring yeah yeah it's most people get way more tired moving

47:18back than they do moving forward it seems like you're both fighting at the same Pace but he's doing more work well this round was more of a feel out round and you got to remember after this fight I fought Nikki Holt yeah so night it's 20 minutes later crazy 20 minutes later I'm not a fan of that I really am not I I personally don't you got to think your brain is still shook up from that first fight not fully recovered and in my opinion the best fighter doesn't necessarily come out on top and in tournaments too many variables yeah well it's crazy it's fun to watch it's it's exciting when you're watching it because it builds up to one eventual champion and you get to watch all these fights take place during the night but I think especially you're getting hurt and then you're recovering a little bit and then going back in again you're still busted up from the

48:03first fight I probably lost a good 10 years of my life after that night but what are you going to do yeah but there used to be eight-man tournaments yeah eight man tournaments yeah that's three fights in one night did you fight Nikki holin twice uh just once just once just once and and one night you got to think I got one of The Knockouts of the year in this fight and I got the fight of the Year Nikki and I won fight of the year that year where we just sat and exchanged combinations for three rounds no it was it was an awesome fight now there you see like he's starting to limp now did you bring anybody in that that that kicks like this that throws those front leg s kicks and the hopping kicks you know what it was very tough I I experimented with a a Taekwondo guy and it just wasn't the same and the problem is a lot of these karate guys they can't handle that constant pressure they're

48:49used to guys standing keeping distance with them letting them kick but I was too much of a bully for those guys right I was able to just stay in the pocket they try to throw spinning kicks I would just push them on the ground it was like they couldn't handle like the constant strong pressure style it's it's it's definitely interesting to watch how how it it's so much more yeah there it is over and over again you're seeing him limping now and you're noticing him as you're fighting you're noticing that and you keep hitting that same spot now he's moving he's standing South yeah you can tell he's done he mixes it up a little bit I mean he does switches stances but you could see he's really trying to protect that left leg now he's keeping it back now when you did uh bring in those guys was there anything that they could show you about how to avoid those kicks or how to move just kind of like

49:39hey this is kind of the distance and the setup these are the kind of few things you need to look at but I was really uh uh in my fer which I kind of have a different philosophy now uh now that I'm a coach a lot more and I'm looking at fighting a little bit differently um but here I knew I was going to fight my fight he had to fight my way um if not he was going to be in trouble that was three in a row boom boom boom just chopping chopping at that leg to me this is like the fight that I show people when I show people the difference between a really good Muay Thai Fighter who's fighting a guy who throws a lot of flashy stuff but doesn't really know the low kick game yeah and he he throws those things but there's not a lot of threat outside those spinning attacks he does have that explosive left hand but good defense you can shut that down really good well he's he was a great

50:30karate Point fighter but he's not his boxing has come a long way since this fight I think you know he learned a lot about a lot of things in this fight but his um his hands weren't the big threat you know that's one of the things that differentiates him from Wonderboy also Wonderboy is obviously fighting with smaller gloves but Wonderboy has nasty hands so if Wonderboy and Raymond danios were to fight in kickboxing who wins that's an interesting question you know I mean Wonder Boy undefeated in kickboxing but those are the other things I don't know I'm like you hear about this guy's like oh yeah he's you know he's undefeated as a kickboxer was like Hey we're the same weight right if you're undefeated and you're so how come we never heard of each other or saw each other like what happens like with a lot of these guys and and and with kickboxing there's so many different

51:17organizations so you'll see guys that'll come around and say like hey I'm I'm a 10- time world champion I like okay like where like there's I think there should be like there's one world champion matters right now and its Glory right so any other belt than that to me I don't think you're a world champion well what about lion fight what about Muay Thai I mean obviously a different class it's a different class I would say Muay Thai and kickboxing are very different what do you like better I'm I'm I'm a straight kickboxer and why do you like kickboxing better than Muay Tha because I like to rely on Pace uh more aggression and more uh I'm a combination style fighter so I like him always mix up Kicks and punches punches and kicks um I fought two full rules Mo uh TI fights one of them was um uh a French fighter who it was again my sixth professional fight it was his like

52:0470th and he came in he was just I beat him up on the outside but as soon as he came close he clinched up with me elbows elbows elbows and he split my head open 6 weeks later I fought uh and it's actually um on YouTube I fought uh medy begad that would be a cool one for you to watch um and I put a little clip on if you want to find it after this one it's literally like I made it into like a two-minute clip and it's just um beating the crap out of him and he landed two elbows and I got like 30 stitches at the end of that fight covered in blood I got like a a 3in gash in my head I had a five stitches off my eyes he landed two elbows two strikes basically the whole fight and those two strikes were the damaging ones wow which I mean okay it's cool I knew I wanted to be a kickboxer so I never focused on my elbows could I be a Muay Thai Champion absolutely but my focus was on

52:54kickboxing and at that point to get into the K1 Max right right I wanted to fight the zambidis I wanted to fight all of the you know the B cows I wanted to fight those guys so my focus was always on kickboxing from the day I started well that was that was the big organization K1 was the big organization that kind of opened up kickboxing to the world you know and Japan did an amazing job of that and then they had of course it showtime and it Showtime ran for a while and that they they became Glory right yeah there's part of it and they shut down because there was the problem is there was a lot of problems happening in Holland uh there was a lot of like um illegal stuff happening illegal this just the finish right here yeah this is you're you're battering them now just the amount of shots yeah that's it head kick it's over the amount amount of shots that he took to the legs now when

53:44you were saying that MMA fighters they they don't have the toughness of the legs they're not used to taking the punishment in the legs what is the difference like how does how does your legs get tougher from getting kicked well they it's like um if you look at martial arts and your body your body has is your armor so you got to look at your body as armor if you don't strengthen that armor you're only as strong as your armor can hold right so if you're not training your body to get hit um it's it you can't really take as much damage so if you're constantly taking low kicks every day in training you build up that endurance and that tolerance and that strength to be able to take hard low kicks but a lot of guys if you're not used to that taking hard arm Kicks When I my first professional fight I left with like welts on my forearm my knees would be swollen I couldn't even get my

54:31shoe on after the fight cuz everything was just so swollen and you just take so much damage on the body that eventually it hardens and it gets stronger and like I mean you got to look at our shins and our kick boxes and Muay shins we're going through bats whatever you want we're just constantly kicking things where in MMA there's not as much focus on conditioning and hardening the body cuz you don't need it as much but what does condition the legs to take that kind of punishment I mean constant hitting use in years of training or getting someone to constantly lightly touch your legs build up the tolerance you got to build an a strong armor to be able to withstand whatever damage what I'm confused about though is like what is the physical response that your body has to gettings well I know the shin for example every time you Shin there's like those micro fractures that then calcify

55:21which then caus the shin to harden and again even if the difference between my right and left shin my right shin is probably double the size of my left one because I'm use my right shin a lot more really yeah so I mean it's just constant years of training your body to do it what about the thigh like what about your quads and all the the I don't know I wonder what it is is it nerves or your nerves are able to withstand the pain or but it's a big difference and it's weird because I've been doing it so long where I can usually stand in front of you give you like little leg Taps and I can kind of see how hard your body is if you can with stand a low kick or not you just it's a feeling mechanism so you feel how they're responding you feel like how re soft it is how they put their weight their pressure on it you can tell you can really tell and when you fight

56:07someone and that's where those guys that have 100 professional fights have that there's a lot of wear and tear but those guys have a a body armor that really takes a lot to try to damage you know those forarms or those leg kicks or you know it's just years of accumulated damage and the body hardens up it is weird because like you see some of the ties That Just blast each other and you're watching them low kick each other and you never see them limping no you know I mean then you see this fight that you had with Raymond and you see like after you know a minute two in the fight when you you kept chopping there was one moment in the fight in the first round I remember watching it live and uh you caught him with one low kick in the first round I went uhoh there it goes you see that little dip you know bam and you see the little dip that their body gives like oh this is not good and you

56:53got to think I've probably spared with thousands and thousands of different m ma a Fighters and soon as we start sparring I'll tap the leg once tap the leg twice three times and they're like no no no can you lay off the leg I'm just like okay all right cool yeah I guess so I'll just hit the other leg and then if I don't hit the other leg I'll hit your body but I mean yeah it's like it's a different type of body conditioning is there any way to do it other than just getting kicked there I mean does anybody I think so not that I know I think it's just years of accumulation D rolling Coke bottles on their Shin I don't know that I've tried to find research on that I don't think so I don't think so I did it when I was young I'm like hey look at me I'm putting a rolling pin over my shin but right I guess it kind of takes out the the nerve damage a little bit I don't

57:38know oh the nerve endings nerve endings try to numb them out a bit yeah I don't know interesting it is interesting it's interesting because it's not it doesn't necessarily make sense like when it comes to the muscle of the of the thighs like it's got to come down to nerve cuz it's not really bone that's getting stronger no know I would love to talk to a doctor who understands Muay Thai you know do you know anybody that's like a doctor that trains I'll start I'll find out I'll tweet you out the answer man I'll find it yeah because it definitely seems like I mean especially like we said the ties these guys that have a 100 plus fights and you see them getting low kicked and it doesn't seem to affect them at all I mean it's Landing it's an effective strike but the difference between the way it would affect them versus the way it affect a person that's never been low kicked before yeah it's

58:23interesting it's the most underrated uh technique in all of martial arts I think I agree because until you've been low kicked like once you get low kicked once you go oh Jesus and you know it's usually it's it's those uh it's usually when you're at those parties and you're drunk it's like oh those leg kicks don't hurt my God those low kicks don't hurt and then all of a sudden they're like just give them one I was like no you don't want one I was actually messing with someone once and I was like Bruce Lee had the one-inch punch and I was like I'll give you a 1in low kick and you won't walk for a month and he didn't believe it I I'll give you I'll give anyone if anyone listening wants to have a 1-in Locus how do you set it up what do you do all I got to do is put my literally my shin 1 in away and just bang done so like it's hitting the right part you got to know where to hit so you

59:08would uh have like like almost like you're throwing a kick like a controlled kick and stopping at them just go boom right on that part telling you man I'm telling you one inch low kicks I'm going to start it you should you should make a video about it the one in low kick one in low kick challenge I bet you I'm going to do it now you were saying earlier and I wanted to go back to this that your thoughts on fighting have changed from being a fighter to being a coach how so cuz I think right now I had when I was fighting I had to have a one-dimensional approach what worked for me and now as a coach I I someone asked me the question you um they're like a new student who's very talented comes to your gym he has he's not strong he's not really as athletic as you um he doesn't have the training background as you how do you make that that guy a world champion and I was like huh that's

59:59interesting I'm like he's not big he's not strong so he's not going to be a great pressure fighter that's going to be able to withstand a lot of damage so what happens so I wanted to create a system of fighting that is kind of universal um I don't really want to have I want to have a system in my fighting at bazooka kickboxing that you can go into a street fight you can go into an MMA fight you can kickbox you got to have that knowledge and the skill set to be able to fight everything and that's my goal as a coach right now is to make a universal system that can handle anything so if you got a pressure fight versus move if you got to keep distance if you need to jab or box you got to be able to have it all um I don't agree anymore too much with a one-dimensional approach but the one-dimensional approach was good for you as a fighter because you found out where your

60:44skills you know more directed you got to look I I the way I look at it is I was an exceptional case I'm an exceptional athlete that was gifted with a strong body strong mind good dedication uh very motivated so it all worked in my favor but now I have a guy who's fighting amateur kickboxing how do I train that guy to be successful do you think that that helps you as a fighter because I know a lot of Jiu-Jitsu guys they start coaching and once they start coaching and teaching lessons their their game just jumps it was being a color commentator that helps a lot huge like I got to show you like after whatever I'll show you my notes on what I do and I'd be interested to see your thoughts on do you write your own notes for for the events notes as far as like your fighter notes or do you are you now just experienced enough to know about the fighters it depends entirely on who the

61:35fighters are because many many times I'm watching a guy fight for the first time and if I've never seen someone before what I like to do is I like to watch some YouTube videos of them I like to watch them fight um I read what their background is I so you do do a lot of research still you have see I Say I Do Re I say I don't do any research because I would have done it anyway yeah cuz like like like I'll do research for Glory I don't work for Glory you know what mean know what I'm saying so like you're a fan yes so it's like say if there's a big fight coming up like uh like here's a perfect example this this um uh Holly Hol Germaine Dand they're going to fight for the uh UFC for and what's interesting to me is Jermain Dand is a multiple time world Muay Thai champion and who's had a hard time dealing with the clinch dealing with people taking her down dealing with

62:22the other aspects of MMA and she's trying to find her groove but as a stri Dutch Girl Nasty Striker real tall I saw her was it UFC 200 was she in that I or was it the Brazil card with cyborg or something she looked vicious she's vicious she's a very very good Striker so what I'm curious It's very interesting because you know Holly who looked like a Dynamo when she fought Ronda because Ronda fought the absolute worst kind of fight that you could fight with Holly run right at her you know go straight go at her yeah you mean she wanted to bully her and you you just can't you know Holly's so good at evasion so good at using angleson so good at stopping and then countering straight punching straight punching and that that weird oblique kick that they a lot of the Winkle JN guys like to do to the thigh do you use that kick at all not really know it's a weird kick right a lot of

63:13guys use that kick I mean have you um you know um there's there's some guys that really know how to to to land that well and I'm starting to see it I'm thinking man it's um it's it's it's an interesting kick but the Winkle JN guys in particular or gals too Holly is really good at that it's like the front kick It's when um Anderson Silva knocked out belf for and everyone was like oh the front kick look at this amazing new weapon like it's probably the first kick ever taught in traditional martial arts it's just he made it so popular and then all of a sudden you see it as a new trend where everyone started throwing front kicks to the face it became like a new popular little Trend there for a little bit that hey look front kicks work again it's just they were forgotten about and that's what I'm hoping with the low kick they were forgotten about and they come back yeah I think there's

64:05room for a lot of different kicks in MMA that aren't there yet and one of them that we're seeing in some organizations is Axe kicks you know I saw some well there was uh that guy that was fighting in the MMA for a while did you ever see uh Adon amagov I don't think who's a wild fighter man and he no the UFC no he retired he stopped fighting in MMA but he was really talented man he knocked out was it TJ wallberg I believe in the UFC with an axe kick no he I forget what he kicked him with and punched him with two but he he had Wicked kicks and incredible flexibility so he had this ability to you know utilize techniques that you don't necessarily think of as knockout techniques but he would you know smash guys with ax kicks and front kicks and round kicks and just for those uh the kickboxing fans listening Andy hoo oh yeah yeah Andy spinning hook kicks to the L yes yeah there's a guy

65:05fighting on La um on the show you're at gudo inos he fought um he fought in the UFC twice uh he fought in Strike Force once he has a kickboxing finish with a spinning heel kick to the left saw that yeah yeah his wheel kicks are nasty man all all what about that other kid on the last UFC yay or is it y Rodriguez wow woo that was hard that was hard to watch yeah it was very tough to watch but the kid's incredible oh he 360 roundhouse kicked BJ pen in the face I don't know how BJ didn't go down oh BJ's got an iron chin man yeah Loren Lin pull up Loren Lin versus um who did he stop uh what is Loren lens God damn it why can't I remember this right now John Howard no no okay Len lens's recent fights okay Neil Magny Jesus Christ pull up uh Loren lar and Neil Magny cuz I want I want to show him that oblique kick to the body one of my my guys out there that's uh in the Green Room Matt

66:08special he actually sent me the fight I have I was too busy with Glory notes but he sent me that exact fight to watch Loren Larin is a dude he's really good and his he does a lot of spinning wheel kicks to the thigh too he does a lot of wild why not I think any kick should be able to be at different levels sure and that's what makes that kick more effective if you're constantly going at one level it becomes easy to defend so you got to change the levels that's why same thing as South Paws um guys don't kick enough from a South paaw um or if they do it's constantly one it's either the inside leg they're not attacking the back legs the bodies the heads you got to change levels not enough self paw or changing levels with that left kick do you experiment or use any traditional martial arts techniques like do you ever throw side kicks or spinning kicks no

66:55not anymore I've I've really T like I've really been taught to keep really tight on a shield um but now my whole style has actually been trying to like add Dimensions to it so I've been boxing a lot more and even though yeah I've had the concussions doesn't mean I sto being a martial artist this is when my real martial arts training has evolved um when I was fighting I couldn't do all this stuff when I was fighting I didn't have time to sit there like for example the last 3 months I fought Southpaw I've been training southpaw just it's a new dimension uh to my game so now's the time I get to be a full-time martial artist and learn watch how he throws this oblique kick to the body back up a little bit because this is the end of the fight he's setting it up with the low kick well he sets it up with everything but it's what's interesting is the distance where he throws this

67:42oblique kick he throws it like right there boom see how he throws it it's crazy I I've never seen any yeah heel in toe out and uh he he's so fast with it you know why I like that because if the elbows in gets the foot probably just outside of the elbow or inside it kind of follows the the inside forearm nicely yeah Loren is the best I've ever seen throwing that kick and throwing it like right in there he tried right there and missed but he throws it from tight quarters and guys think he's going to throw low kick so he miss mixes it up with that he's using the low kick and then he sets it up with you know with either the oblique kick or the low kick and he constantly varies him cuz that kick traditionally is Meant to hit with the heel right yeah yeah he's hitting it with the heel but it's um it's so weird to look at because you're like oh yeah you can do that too

68:33his setup is unreal with the low kick though yes yes the setup is great and this was a a great fight for him because you know I knew Loren was super talented before this but Neil Magny was a highly rated guy and Loren just ran through him I mean is the difference in the Striking Magny is a really good allaround fighter he's really well-rounded he's got incredible endurance but what Loren was able to do is avoid all this stuff avoid the ground game keep the fight in his wheelhouse which is in the standup and just show how much more technical he is on his feet and how much quicker he is at closing the Gap yeah and he's and he's staying long too right yeah and he's fighting a tall guy too yeah you if you think about it if lens's got the shorter arms why is he going to sit there and want to box with a guy with longer arms you got to change your distance and the low Kick's perfect and

69:22work set up perfectly now back to us that's it now back to um Muay Thai and elbows don't you think that elbows are well obviously they're really effective you know and elbows and elbows from the clinch and knees from the clinch they're obviously really effective techniques why do you like rules that don't have those in I remember listening to your podcast and someone asked I think you were talking about how you feel Muay Thai is like the purest art of standup fighting I think it's it makes sense yeah I I like all fighting I like MMA you know obviously love it I think MMA is probably my favorite thing to watch but what I like about Muay Thai is when you're seeing the clinch you're using all the potential weapons from inside that position whereas in kickboxing they will separate you it's just for me personally why I don't like the clinch it slows the

70:12fight down I I'm not saying it's because to you can be a crappy outside fighter but be so strong and dominant in the clinch and win all your fights in the clinch right so I mean I think it's just a rule set and I mean each guy's going to be different um from what they're good at or not good at and it's how you train but you have to change your style you have to change like even if I were to fight um we talked about kickboxing and and MMA you have to change your style but even if you fight between kickboxing and Muay you have to change quite a bit you have to stay longer if you're a fighter like myself who doesn't want to get into the clinch you have to fight differently you have to use triangle stepping in your footwork you got to use more distance you got to stay away I could maybe only throw a a two three hit combination before I have to exit and move again because I know he's going to

71:00try to grab me and clinch me and and you know slice me up with his elbows is there more difficult transition like do you think that the transition between kickboxing and Muay Thai is more difficult or the transition between Muay Thai and kickboxing because we're seeing a lot of Muay Thai Champions that are now entering into kickboxing I'm goinging to Muay Thai more difficult it's more difficult why is that um because you're adding all these new weapons so you all of a sudden now have these weapons that you're not used to where with Muay Thai you kind of take away some but you still have your other weapons that are effective and I had this conversation with a lot of the Muay Thai fighters they were saying how um you got to look at the success of muay thai fighters in Kick with boxing you have cachai um sitsang pinong who's a Savage um he's the current lightweight

71:47champion um Fighters like sanchai Muay Thai Legend came in in his first kickboxing fight dominated um this young Tai kid that just came in in France um P pamaron um K Muka he came in and just left kicked one weapon shut down a an aggressive um punch to low kicker just one kick left kick left kick left kick and these guys have been fighting for so long it's fighting to them fighting at the end of the day is still fighting um so these Thai guys and who are following traditional Muay Thai are still being very successful in in kickboxing one of the big bow you can't that guy dominated yeah's a great example of it and still around too sanchai is really interesting cuz he's uh she watches Glory fight yes I did yeah he's fun to watch man oh yeah tricky slipping he'll fight big guys small guys he wanted to he put a whole uh social media campaign to fight Conor

72:42McGregor in MMA yeah I think so does he know how to wrestle no I don't think so well good luck with all that what's your thoughts on um Conor and Floyd that's AIG thing right now could that even happen could it could happen yeah Floyd is uh I like again the best defensive fighter ever and you know I mean in a straight boxing match you got to give the advantage to him you just have to you have to traditional wisdom would say that he's GNA box Connor's face off that's you would look at it you would look at what he's been able to do but Conor's a freak man he's a weird guy he's got his mind is so strong and he eats pressure he just eats it like when he stepped into that ring with Jose Aldo he looked like he didn't have a care in the world he's just that confidence and that belief man is just through the Staggering and he had talked so much for so long and Aldo was

73:39just fuming he was steaming at the brain when he got in there oh he was so emotionally invested in that fight it was almost like he had never been disrespected like that and to be disrespected for months I mean they had done this huge World Tour where Conor stole his belt at a press conference and was yelling at him and I mean it was Madness and then to have the fight and then Connor starches him with one punch 13 second into of the fight like wow yeah that that that stirred up a lot of yeah so attention obviously Floyd is not Jose Aldo Floyd is you know it's it would be a boxing match in an MMA match Conor would kill him for sure he would kill him he'd kick the out wouldn't even be toally Floyd would never get close to him Conor kicked his legs out from under him every time yeah it would be it would be brutal but in a boxing match one thing that Conor's got going for him and he's a way

74:32bigger guy he's I mean I know he fought at 145 but Jesus Christ he looked like a dead man when he made 45 oh yeah his shoulders are broad like he's yeah he's walking around a 170ish somewhere around then and I don't think Floyd is Floyd is a smaller guy than that and again what you were saying about with kickboxing I think the same holds true with boxing that those Fighters are they're not cutting the kind of weight that MMA fighters are cutting so so I don't know what they would weigh in at I would assume it'd probably like 155 somewhere around there and then once they got into the Octagon or the ring rather it would be a boxing match Floyd would probably have a disadvantage weightwise of somewhere around 15 pounds yeah no I can't see it happening but if they did Floyd look Canelo had a big weight advantage over him in that fight too and Floyd shut that down yeah you know

75:19he's just he's so good at boxing man he's just so good he's so skillful the more I follow and train and and learn boxing like I was something I wish I started a lot earlier on in my career it's man it's like you only have two weapons you know and you all of a sudden have to make this complex strategy through you know creating openings and with kicks you have a whole other dimension elbows clinch but with boxing man you got two fists that you have to make land it's tough man and I get why it's called the sweet science now when you are training are you sparring uh right I do but I make sure I with the right guys and that kind of thing but I still do Spar and are you worried at all about getting hit when you're doing this yes or no yes and you just love it too much I just love it man I just I'm I'm not stupid and that's the the last thing you could ever call me I do everything

76:09very calculated very smart so if I know there's an issue I slow it down or if there's an aggressive guy but I still Spar and I still start very controlled and um I could pick it up if I want it's just why was the question sometimes like I don't need to get in there and have those SP ing matches where I'm trying to take the guy's head off it just doesn't make any sense well obviously the consequences for you are so much more obvious and intense you know knowing what you've been through I mean is that in the back of your head at all while you're doing it sometimes what's what's your take on these um Fighters taking a new approach on uh not sparring anymore well Donald Cerrone is taking that approach and it seems really effective for him but I think part of what's doing well for him I mean obviously he has timing obviously he's very experienced as a fighter already and he likes to

76:58stay active but his take on it was that he was beating himself up too much in the gym that he was sparring too many hard rounds and he would go into these fights already damaged he just couldn't take shots well that's the philosophy in Muay Thai They Don't Really Spar hard in into Thailand because they fight very often too but if you're not fighting very often would you need that sparring it's a good question I think there's Spar there's stupid sparring and then there's quality sparring I think there's so many different ways to spar if you're constantly going in there and you're trying to Slug It Out and getting sloppy that's not good sparring but you can get a good guy that kind of really sets his shots up really good goes hard to the body and low Kicks When I Spar my guys we're trying to take each other out with body shots and low kicks like if I

77:41finish my training partner to the body I feel like the king you know what I mean I walk around I'm just like walking like I I own the place man to the body to the body low kicks those are okay but you don't need to finish guys to the Head inspiring right that's the Dutch way right they they would go 100% to the legs and to the body speaking of some of the Dutch guys like uh Jason winess who's fighting uh his coach was telling me they do somewhere along the lines of 50 rounds of sparring a week Jesus Christ yeah that's a lot like again I don't know how Intense or the type of shots but they rely a lot on sparring wow willing this's fight with Simon Marcus what a fight that was Jesus Christ that was an amazing fight and Simon Marcus looks so good in the beginning of that fight oh my God he was just exploding but it seemed like he drained his gas tank yeah got too cocky

78:30with that head movement yeah what was that about like he he at one point in the fight like almost like invited him to punch him and just kind of moved his head a little bit then they gave him a count for that too yeah and then it I don't I wouldn't have called that one it count but the referee did a good stop on that because willness was just unloading well definitely in the stoppage but it seemed like when they gave him account count maybe the referee was seeing some we weren't seeing you know because it seemed like Simon like from that point on started to wither yeah that was crazy because you look how good he looked in the beginning of that fight he was blasting those kicks in he like Jesus and he was going for it man which is when you look at Simon he's so shredded you know I mean he's a specimen and his style is so predicated on that it's like reliant on that he's

79:20just you know he yells in the ring like yeah yeah intense but he just couldn't keep it up man couldn't keep that pace up but this is why I like this fight with adna did you ever see his real stuff they call the Style guy is all over like Wicked he's throwing low line technical good distance control Southpaw Orthodox spin kick boxes he's good so on paper um that is the style to beat that Dutch style straightforward fighting right you want to fight on angles use distance use movement where how do you beat someone like Style Bender right constant pressure you know head-to-head fighting low kicks so you're going to see winess try to use that head-to-head pressure fighting like we saw with me and Raymond Daniels versus adna trying to use that movement on the outside pick his shots fight on angles so on paper both of these guys have the style to beat one another I think that's why that fight's

80:15super exciting for me to watch well uh style Bender has been toying with the idea of fighting an MMA too and I'm really interested see he's 9 and0 in MMA but toying with the idea of fighting the UFC I should say and I'm really interested to see like how he manages training and competing in both Sports because that was a giant issue with Joe Schilling you know Joe Schilling was trying to do both things at the same time when he just decided that you know it's just not really smart and wasn't he wasn't able to fight to his best ability in MMA no too many limits yeah and you don't have much time he's in his 30s like how you know how much time is there in a day how much time is there in your life if you want to be excellent at one thing it's a lot that's why if you're a real perfectionist MMA is tough yeah like just you you have to be okay with not being excellent at everything yeah and

81:07that's a hard concept for a martial artist and an athlete to be like hey like you know your striking is just going to be okay but we got to work on your ground so don't worry about your striking now there's only so much time in a day you can do training that's a really interesting thing that you just said you have to be really okay at that because like if you do Jiu-Jitsu you're going to get strangled by black belts but you go well if we were kickboxing I'd that dude up and you have to have that in your head but then again you know if you're doing kickboxing with a guy like bua you know like well you know you're not as good as him I kick well take his ass down then can't kick me you got to be okay with it well that was one of the things that George was so amazing at St Pierre was so amazing at being able to do whatever he wanted to dependent upon what you

81:48thought he was going to do oh he was definitely above average in everything yes but you put George samier in a kickboxing fight yeah he wouldn't be the best he wouldn't be the best yeah but I mean he's great at he's phenomenal at everything else I think that's what made him so dominant he's above average on everything yeah yep yeah and also incredibly unpredictable and creative that was one of the best athletic one of the most athletic guys I've seen in the sport yeah he's a really interesting case too because George didn't really wrestle competitively in college or in high school he learned wrestling from a bunch of Russian Nationals in Montreal which could be good good you lose a lot of those things that aren't needed yeah well George is also he's so humble like as as confident as he was as a champion and as a dominant Champion he's so humble like you could teach George

82:38things and he would just completely absorb it he would never you know he wasn't the type of guy that would uh have a hard time learning new things he was very open to stuff cuz I always follow him on social media and stuff and I hop I'm actually trying to get out to TriStar was talking uh Fass a little bit I would love to go out there and train with their team and to see if you know how we can you know connect together I think that'd be an awesome connection it would be awesome I think he's still going to fight I mean he's still still talking when I heard that that's when I hit up foras like hey man like call me in man let me let me help you guys on striking man yeah tag me in I got to do some work with uh GSP when he did that kickboxer Vengeance movie and it was uh cool because he came in he's like uh never met George in my life at this point he's like Vol toini I'm a fan of

83:25yours I I I watch I watch you fight Raymond Danielle's I was like what and so for him cuz he's that he comes from that karate background so for him to you know say that he liked my style and he was a fan of mine from my Raymond Daniels fight I was like this awesome well they brought Raymond Daniels in to prepare Roy McDonald when he F wondery yeah then I think even GSP went to um Daniel's fight Bellator kickbox yeah he did yeah he did yeah um well that's another good thing too the Bellator is holding those really high level kickboxing bouts too you know Kevin Ross is over there yeah he's been doing well yeah and Gaston balanos is now going to fight he's going to fight MMA for Bellator I saw that I was actually talking to their coach today I was like man we got to get Gaston in U uh he'd be good in the UFC but if we get him on Glory I think he needs that good

84:10platform to really grow and be consistent with I think he'd be a perfect fit for Glory I mean as far as like uh coverage and as far as yeah he gets that full-time attention and who knows we'll see how good he is in MMA is he just uh a nomenal Striker trying to test himself in MMA how was his ground skills I don't know I know he can wrestle I know he's a good wrestler but like at a professional wrestling level like ready to go kind of style it's hard to say because what I'm hearing is from just guys who trained with them and guys who have trained MMA with him they they're surprised at how good his wrestling is like he's just a really strong athletic guy learns quick but his Muay Tha is obviously very very good oh yeah very high L elbows I see those spinning elbows he's killing guys in line fight with it yeah but he'd be perfect for Glory yeah now do you do you

84:57follow all these other organizations you follow kickboxing I follow it I follow all fighting as much as I can now when you watch um like say um if you watch lion fight or you watch Bellator or any of these uh other organizations do you like make notes like oh I'd like to see this guy over in glory H I do I try to Hint it out I try to Hint it out yeah what is uh glor's plans I mean I I know you said that they have 18 events this year amazing and they're going to be split between um we got some good um um investors in glory from China so we're going to actually try to get a few shows out in China uh we're looking at South America um and then the rest mixed between the US and Europe that's awesome 18 shows and this is the first time that Glory's coming out and saying listen there's 18 shows in our December Collision show we got to announce um Glory we got to we're going go to

85:56Chicago next so we're having that time to show everyone that hey man there's two three shows coming up here's time to prepare and plan because when you don't have that funding all the time it's kind of hard to have those multiple events and have that time to you know build up the shows properly and now that we have it I think the sports just going to go crazy I hope so man I really do and I think it's awesome they're going to have more than one a month I mean that's incredible yeah people need consistency one a month plus six more that's that's amazing I mean you know every other month they're going to have two events then that's want that's incredible that's really good and like as far as uh coverage I know you guys are on UFC Fight Pass it's also sometimes on ESPN right uh it's on ESPN3 and sometimes we get ESPN 2 live so it's all depending but I'm hoping we can get on that's a

86:46huge step because we started off at Spike TV um and then when we which was great it was okay yeah it was going well um it was great for me can watch it but then what was happening was when we went to ESPN it's just a whole different market now if we want to hit those casual fans ESPN is going to be the place to do it yes yeah for sure yeah ESPN 3 though is weird we need to get it and when we're on live on two it seems to do well so we just got to keep it keep it going now what are they going to do with uh Rico and B because the RICO verhoven B har fight was probably one of the most most hyped up heavyweight fights of all time 13,000 people nuts wasn't really wow like when bhari is in the building like people know he's a superstar yes like he doesn't even have to fight and he's a superstar and it was in uh uberous in Germany which is where borders Holland so all the Holland fans

87:38a lot of the Dutch Moroccans came and when he came out crazy people were just going nuts trying to rush and get him he's a superstar so to it needs fights like that and it's kind of like that Conor McGregor he builds that energy around him that people just need to tune into and I think that's what B does so that rematch is going to be crazy so I think Rico is going to go fight he has some other fights that he has to fight um there's Contender tournaments that uh winner he gets the fight like he has a fight with ishma L planned I think um if you watch Collision there's uh Ben Jamal sadik who was that big monster heavyweight he's looking good you have guys like Jafar winess who were doing really well Benjamin adct boy so there's so many fights for Rico and I think B is going to be once he heals up and then maybe they'll do another one next year but nothing planned right now there's

88:28got to be another fight yeah it has to happen but I mean how long does it take before B can be back in Action he had a broken forearm is that what happened in fight he tore ligament oh that's what it was I think it was a torn ligament huh and it's trying to I I've rewatched it a few times trying to see where in the fight it happened and it's it's very tough to actually see where it happened but apparently he tore a ligament in his forearm and it just wasn't working right you can tell he looked down and like it didn't look like when trying to find it there was no real time where the damage happened where you seen him do it I don't know it was weird but I think it somewhere it must have torn and he just couldn't take the pain anymore God that was so weird but it was interesting because B who's just a notorious psycho came out in the first round pretty controlled and measured you

89:14know and and approach the fight intelligently too said no we're going to do three rounds I haven't been fighting in a long time I don't want a five round fight I want a three round fight didn't care about the title yeah it wasn't for the world title yeah I think what he wanted to do was have this three rounder then let them meet again for the five rounds so if it's a torn tendon uh or ligament rather that is a much more invasive issue right that's a long I haven't really gotten an update I'll try to find out for us usually ligaments take a long time to heal like maybe even need surgery or something like that and if that's the case you might be out a year unfortunately and that fight needs to happen we need to get more people we need to get more people on and that's what got everyone hyped yeah got everyone excited about kickboxing again B such a personality you know and that's

90:04the the kindest use of that word personality ever just got to keep him out of jail between now and the next fight even even in the post fight interview he goes to Rico and he looked at him and he said you know what you did good you did good but next time I knock you the out and everyone was like holy like already the the next fight's already hyped up even after the loss we're like yes is what the sport needs let's get attention and I keep trying to say and I I came out publicly a little bit um a little while ago Fighters need to in the kickboxing realm need to do more to promote themselves they can't constantly rely on Glory or other people to kind of promote them they got to go out there and really try to build themselves and the more they build themselves the more the Sport's going to build yeah I I completely agree it's just so hard for fighters to figure

90:50out how to promote themselves it's hard enough to be a great fighter it's hard enough to train hard and get in shape and fight smart and to to you know concentrate on social media too and you see a lot of fails a lot of a lot of fake like fake trash talking that just comes out clunky and terrible but then there's a you know there's always these guys like Connor that do it and you just go Jesus he's so effortless with it yeah but that's chill son in yes but that's their personality you know it just happens naturally yeah sure everyone would love to be Connor right just not many people can yeah I mean look he's got Floyd Mayweather saying that that's the only fight that he's interested in yeah you know hey Jamie what the hell's going on with that thing up there I don't know started doing that think it's like resetting itself I can't change is it YouTube I'm not controlling it right

91:36now I don't know it's the TV like TV whacking I don't know oh wow I'll turn it off and reset it okay cuz I wanted to see that um that other fight that you were telling me about the Highlight Reel oh with that medy B that yes that's a wicked one yeah just yeah okay and it's a little clip of just me throwing different combinations and then that big elbow it's on YouTube Vini versus medy bdad we we'll put that up and we'll talk about that too so right now you are 100% commentating on Glory you're taking some time off of teaching J of of your high school teaching so what do your days look like right now it's just me training again and I feel I want to get back into um the first time I I want to try doing different things like my body needs to be stretched out a little bit the years of dam on my joints I want to start doing more yoga um I'm going to try some yoga out I want to do um I want

92:29to create a kickboxing um a professional kickboxing program uh for other Pros to come in and have daytime training and stuff like that oh it's beautiful a thing so this whole fight was all about different and he's good he's doing pretty well in the UFC I think isn't he he's no he's a tough guy that's such a gorgeous combination man that left hook to the body and the low kick you know that arnesto who's combination he's another one of my all-time favorites he's my he is my favorite God he's so good there was one highlight that he has on that I've literally watched probably a million times why is he why is he cheering and and because he couldn't take the low kicks anymore so it was his way of hyping it up yeah you'll see the elbows soon this one right here see that elbow yeah watch what happen wow gash right away huh it's so slicing that's all he really threw was a downward

93:25elbow wow that is a gash man he basically only hit me with that shot and that's was in like the the fourth round wow now were you worried about the fight getting stopped here I didn't they should probably should have stopped it really they probably but I mean I was okay and as a fighter you're never going to say stop the fight right but probably looking back and then right away I just come back and say you know what let me give me that leg was the blood going into your eyes at this point a little bit I remember and this was in 3D apparently that that they filmed it literally yeah I don't know so I would have loved to have seen it that is a gash that's not even the big one the big one's in my head that you can't even see on top yeah just right through the hairline that is such a nasty combination man yeah but he basically hit me with two elbows the whole fight that's crazy

94:14two gashes every time he did well you can't even see the scar man you got a good plastic surgeon oh it was that the backstage doctor that's his face when he started cutting my starting to stitch me was like a I was making all these faces like oh man I don't want to know that a doctor was making a face like that what kind of doctor is he I don't know that's ridiculous yeah that's crazy man so do you have any desire to compete again are you sure do you have you like figured your path out from here on out Glory's been too good man I've been loving this commentary gig it's a new challenge it's um it's new so for me I have a full this is the first time even when I won my world title I would work during the day as a teacher eat my lunch as I drove to the the gym and then I would train at night I won a World title working a full-time job wow because it just at that point there wasn't enough

95:05um I'm I'm I'm used to a certain type of living and I don't want to have to fight to survive and my whole thing was I'm going to use fighting to build it as a platform so now you know because I have a a university education I'm able to have a commentary job I'm able to run my own gym I'm able to have other things going on so I was very lucky to build a good platform that I didn't have to rely on fighting uh for my income so right now things are too good there's more money on the sitting in a suit and you know trying to be Joe Rogan so I mean it's it's more money it's it's better on my health and so and I'm signed I'm loving it genuinely loving it what was your education then uh health and physical education that's interesting so when you look at uh training methods like uh some of the methods that are being employed today some of the various strength and conditioning methods what

95:57do you uh uh is there anything that you think that really stands out well the main thing for me is guys in Combat Sports who are using CrossFit as a form of weight training for fighting I don't necessarily agree with that based on many things cuz you're you're doing an uh an unsafe exercise like a deadlift or a clean and you're doing it over time where those movements are made to develop power hip strength you know um they're not meant for endurance um so a lot of guys are hurting themselves like I'm seeing I saw some CrossFit guys and they're doing these terrible rounded back deadlifts and they're just trying to get the bar up and waight and they're hurting themselves and they're doing too much uh but a sports specific properly tailored strength program is very important but crossfitting is is just killing guys their body the damage on the joints it wasn't made to be help you

96:52enhance there's different ways to do it in a safer way that helps protect your body too many people are you know canceling fights with injuries I think they overtrained they're doing things that you know things like CrossFit where they're constantly killing their bodies that's interesting because some people think that you know Fighters are overtraining and some people think no the problem is they just haven't built themselves up to the point where they can do this the way they need over training man you think it's overt training they're overtraining now when you were fighting what did you do any kind of strength and conditioning I was huge on it I was very big on it I was very it's very it's it's very complex it's very difficult to explain but in in in a in a short term it's like you have to it's a periodization so right after my fight I would go into a hypertrophy

97:42phase where I tried to build myself because during your Camp you're losing weight you're trying to break down muscle because you're constantly training you're not eating as much so I would go through a hypertrophy phase which is build and get biggest strong as I possibly can closer to fight time I build that muscle into more explosive power so that's when I start doing um instead of high volume reps I'm starting to kind of lower my rep count I'll do five sets of five on squat um I'll do deadlifts to five and it's now Translating that muscle and that size into power from there you got to get the power phase turns into more of an explosive phase so I start turning that power into that explosive so I'll start doing like Med ball throws explosive jumping um I'll I'll box squat instead of a regular Squat and even when you're um in that hypertrophy phase and when

98:32you're building muscle the whole point is to break your body down so you're sore everyone knows how sore and how shitty they feel 24 to 48 hours after a workout and that's good because your body's breaking down and has to get stronger but when you have when your goal is to fight and be good at your sport you can't have that soreness because it's going to take away from your training so that's why we really have to periodize our training to make sure we can Peak on Fight Night there's a lot of talk in MMA circles that strength and conditioning is the most important thing that once you're in Camp that's what you should concentrate on it's your cardio your endurance and that your fight skills actually come in secondary because you already know how to fight there's some people that believe that what you need to do is work on your fight skills all the other time

99:19not that you abandon them but that they take second place and that the most important thing is having a phenomenal gas tank yeah I don't know about that I think fighting you have to constant you're fighting so you have to fight you have to practice what you're doing do you think they'll I think the most important is your mind the mind the mind is number one did you in did you involve yourself in any sort of mental training do you I was naturally gifted with it I was naturally had the ability to be able to block things that could have been my years of sports background but man come fight time I barely even thought the fight people are like oh you're you're going to Japan next week to fight two fights in one night like yeah okay I'll deal with it when I have to get there kind of thing I put my work in the more you stress about it the more you release

100:04the cortisone more that your body breaks itself down the more stress you get the less sleep you're going to have all terrible when you're fighting in a few days right so my whole strategy was just to say I do my work and the problem with you said about overtraining and guys fight then they party they eat like they constantly don't focus on fighting like okay you're fighting in 8 weeks then they go oh I got to do a crash course and get up to shape and then they overtrain a true martial artist isn't doesn't look at the fight um on a fight basis it looks a longevity I'm looking at okay for this fight yeah my boxing might improve a little bit but I have to improve something else and there's constantly improvements in all areas so you con as soon as you're done your fight yeah it's healthy to take a week or two off some guys three weeks depending on the damage you had but you

100:57got to get working again you got to get back to sharpening your tools your weapons your mind you got to get back into it and constantly training you got to learn 247 I don't agree with guys who think they can just train for camps no I think a real fighter a real athlete a real martial artist is going to train all year round yeah you have to look at it also in terms of you're involved in one of the most dangerous Pursuits athletically than someone can engage in and any time that you're getting better is going to take away some damage that you could possibly sustain it's going to make you better administering damage it's going to make you better it's just a matter of staying the course and being disciplined you have to work it yeah and I mean intensity changes you're not going to be right after your fight you're not going to be training at that Hard intensity

101:46that you are that you were before the fight but it's still important to constantly train and constantly improve now when you say that you were kind of naturally good at it mentally no one coached you into how to relax about it you just kind of instinctively knew that's the way to do it just worked I knew I had to do it mhm I knew I had to do it like for me especially I wasn't fighting guys with my level of experience like you're like hey uh my first fight with Glory I fought a legend in the sport morat deri and they were when Glory signed me right after that fight we watched with medy bdad I got an email from a random guy at this point and now friends with him but it's like hey I can get you fights I'm like yeah everybody can get me fights and then I sent them like yeah here's my manager go off and then they're like hey uh yeah we want to sign you to Glory

102:32just like a few hours before that medy beg dad fight so I was like ah Wicked because this is what I wanted right my dream's here so like oh your first fight is against morat Dei in Turkey I was like okay I never really the same morat Dei that I think it is so I looked it up I like yeah it's the same guy he had like 90 fights it was my seventh in his hometown um you know I'm going to press conferences with Goen saki Daniel G and I'm sitting there and I'm like I have six professional fights and all the Turkish cameras are all around us and I didn't know what was going on but I was confident in myself I believed in myself I knew I had the skill to do it I looked at my coach I'm like can I beat this guy and he's like yeah you'll kill him I like all right cool let's do it and then at that point I just had that much confidence and belief in myself that nothing mattered now when you when you

103:22go to a fight like that and you approach a fight like that and you're saying that these guys had so much more experience than you so you had to almost approach the fight as a more experienced fighter yeah and I did you my whole thing was I knew what I was really good at and I couldn't with someone with 100 fights you're so comfortable in there and if I play that relaxed fighting game with them it's not a good luck they're better at picking their shots probably I'd still probably beat them I'm not going to say that but looking before the fight I'm going I'm I'm going to make them fight my fight if I fight their fight there's a good chance they're going to beat me so I went in and basically you have to fight this fight in order to beat me and this was my strength I was Stronger than most of the guys I fought because I had a good strength and conditioning program my uh actually

104:07who's outside cost the clal he was uh strength and condition coach for the Toronto Maple Leafs in Canada so he knew a lot he was amazing so I was the strongest guy um that I've ever I haven't seen anyone who's really stronger than me in the ring so I went in there and fought my fight good coaching Paul Min has good coaching so everything was just on point for me now do you do any visualization did you do any any sort of meditation naturally nothing planned I would just be driving my car and I'm thinking about how it feels to win and how I'm going to win and it just happened naturally and then I kind of blocked it off where I didn't even think about it the last thing you want to do is go to your bed at night and think about a fight it's terrible then you're like oh what if I get knocked out oh man Everyone's Watching Me who's watching this like yeah it gets

104:54scary so you got to learn to be able to block it off and I think that's where my teaching job helped a little bit because when I was in my teaching job I really didn't think of the fight I was like oh I'll deal with it after because it's a lot fighting is a lot of stress a lot of guys can't handle it and there's a lot of guys you see on pads that are incredible these guys could whip pads kicks punches one of the most beautiful display of technique on pads you put them in the ring they just don't have it mentally too much anxiety too much stress they just can't handle that pressure so that's one of the biggest Parts is having that confidence in yourself and that mindset I wanted to go back to uh what we're talking about with strength and conditioning where uh like I said there's a philosophy that many are taking in MMA that the strength and conditioning is more important during

105:40fight Camp than actual fight training itself this is about MMA though do you think that maybe the physical requirements of fighting five minute rounds and you know a lot of the grappling and clinching which is just unbelievably grueling on your body do you think that that's that there's different physical requirements in that sport maybe than kickboxing I think it's just different right it's just different uh you need that different if I were to to roll one minute in Jiu-Jitsu I'd probably be gassed out like I wrestle around sometimes just as a joke and and stuff I actually the father of my niece and nephew is one of the Pioneers in Canada of Brazilian jiu-jitsu I don't know Richard monkey nanku and he was just been around in my whole life if I roll for one minute I'm gassed you know I can't do it but if I if they kick box with me for one minute they can't handle

106:25it either right right so it's just what you prepare for or if you're that marathon runner and you try to swim five lengths in the pool you're done totally different Energy Systems but I have to say MMA is different demands on the body it's a totally different Demand on the body you need to be able to wrestle and then stand up and be explosive which is really difficult to do do you um foresee yourself getting involved any more deeply in MMA like to I would love to I'm just waiting for guys I'm not that guy that's going to really go out there and this is George S Pierre obviously but uh I'm hoping to one day obviously have a build a good you know group of guys who are fighting in the UFC so I would love to have that that's the the ultimate goal is to like be able to impart your knowledge on some guys are coming up for sure and especially at the gym now I've been loving it been

107:18loving it and I seeing a lot of those UFC guys now are hopefully seeing all these videos and this drill that I'm posting and what I can have to offer and it'd be good there's so many times I watched the UFC I'm like if this guy had a little bit of you know me coaching him and I'm sure they have great coaches but you know they just need that little extra I know what you're saying and I I think this is also such a cool time for fighters to be able to hear these words from guys like you and to be able to easily access those videos that you're putting up and all these striking breakdowns that guys like Lawrence Kenshin are putting up and all these other people I mean it's a amazing time and as far as like the amount of information that you can get for Fighters yeah people have to use it yeah and it's a lot of Pride too right it's it's tough sometimes like even with a

108:02lot of the the fighters that I approach and I give tips to when you're at a higher level you think you know everything and that's kind of like you said George was very humble that way where he can kind of like allow and accept knowledge I think that's important a lot of guys can't they think they're just they know and everything and that's terrible mindset I think you're totally right and I think that there's no way like what you were saying about if you wanted to be a very good MMA fighter there's no way you're going to be the best at everything it's impossible so when you get a guy like George uh you know one of the beautiful things about him was that he was aware of where his limitations lie he was aware of where his strengths were and he he knew how to put it all together I always talk about fighting as if like it's a language cuz I think that you know a lot of people know how to use

108:51words a lot of people know what the words are but can you string them together eloquently and that's one of the things that I see like when I'm watching that fight with medy Baghdad when you're throwing that combination left hook to the body low kick it's like it's a beautiful flowing sentence in a lot of ways you're expressing yourself in that you know that's a good way of putting it cuz I I was talking to uh someone I think it was Matt Embry today I did fighter interviews before I came so a lot of their things they were saying are fresh in my mind but he was saying it's like it's human nature everyone knows what fighting is you can really watch two guys and now you can say who's winning who did more damage you can see it so it's like looking at the words on the page but once you know how to read it becomes a totally different game it's not just words on a page anymore yeah that's a

109:36good way of putting it yeah it's um it's a beautiful thing Man it really is fighting is like nothing else I mean it's so heartbreaking when you see someone get devastated and smashed like BJ Penn did against Yaya Rodriguez but on the other hand so beautiful when you see what Yer was able to do to a legend like BJ Penn I mean it's such a fighting in all forms whether it's boxing Muay Tha kickboxing MMA it's uh to me one of the most engaging things for someone to watch would you want to fight in the UFC if you could no no first of all I'm old as but in your Prime if I was competing still when the UFC was around I probably would have done something but also when the UFC first came around it was like one weight class you know when I stopped fighting was in 1989 that was the last kickboxing fight that I had and that was um there was nothing and there was no money in it and I was getting

110:35headaches too just from sparring and I did not Spar smart I sparred meat head style and you know I just I know a lot more today than I ever did then as far as like consequences and what's important and how to learn better you know which I think is how knowing how to be I was good at being obsessed with things and really like just just focusing on them constantly all the time but it was more frantic and phonetic it wasn't like calculated and intelligent it's like crashing in and learning just just being obsessed just constantly training all the all the day but I think that you know one of the things that we're knowing we're learning now is the right way to learn like you were saying that so many fighters are overtrained you know and uh that so many fighters Spar too hard and they you know a lot of like you're saying people think that hitting the pads and getting tired is good work

111:27it's tough though because when you have a Fighter's mentality you got to think it's easy to be outside and I could say it because I've been in it but when someone on the outside says oh these guys you know they need to train harder they need to keep doing more and more and more and when you fighting you're like I got to fight in 3 weeks you never think your conditioning is good enough right you could train every day all day put your best effort in you never going to think your conditioning is good enough you're going to be like the day before the fight you've done everything possible in your training you're going to go on and you're going to second guess your conditioning you're going to wonder if you did enough you're going to wonder I should have train now why didn't I my Sunday rest day I should have been training I should have been getting better but really you have

112:06to get in that mindset that you know you don't need more all the time and that's why guys are getting injured they're putting their bodies they're not letting themselves rest and they're getting sick I bet you if you go on a in one of your UFC shows and you ask every fighter on that card who's sick I bet you 50% would be sick with some sort of cold or infection or sinus infection most of those guys are probably sick because their immune system is crashed from not eating constantly training stress not sleeping like I bet you more than half are sick with something absolutely I'm sure I was always sick before Taekwondo tournaments and sinus is for me every fight I had a sinus infection and I was even smart about my training I still got sinus infections did you monitor your heart rate do you did you wake up in the morning and check I never really did that it's one of the things Steve

112:55Maxwell told me he said was very important to find out where you're at he goes when you're in shape goes find out what your resting heart rate is measure it in the morning and if you wake up in the morning and it's 5 to 10 beats over what it normally is take the day off it's like your body's fighting something off and you probably won't even think that and you just got to push through but when you push through in those makes it wor that's when you break yourself down it's that that balance between being intelligent and being tough being disciplined but also being like calculated that's where I think your team is very important you have to have someone like um I had it in my camp but if you look at uh FAS and TriStar we'll use that as an example he monitors everything yeah so he probably looks at George and says you know George you're a little off today like from the way

113:40George comes in he probably knows already how's his mood is he is he angry right now is he cranky is he Snappy with his words like what's he doing you know B cuz you've been around the fighter so long that it's they're like my coach would say it's okay it's time take the day off I was like no no no I'm going to trade now he's like take the day off and then I'll take a day off I come back and I'm beasting it in the gym the next day where I would have just continually beat down my body and never really recovered and got better right so like you would come in you'd feel kind of flat you be like this I got to push through this yeah well sometimes it's important to push through it but other times when you know you're at that level it's like hey you got to pull yourself back see that's the crazy thing about fighting and training and learning but it with your mind yeah I mean it's it's

114:22such a I mean you might be able to do it and pull it off and it might not be the right way but it might be successful and so you do it that way every time yeah I mean I've had Fighters tell me there's no such thing as overtraining you know I'm like well that's crazy because there's definitely then you're not training hard enough well there's definitely such a thing is over training you know a lot of guys have done it if you're constantly steady with your training you're not training right right you better be getting yourself to the point in your training everyone was asking me I train once a day and usually once a day I never and Saturdays I would train twice but the morning was a strength uh strength training and then the night was kickboxing now when you say strength training like what did that involve well I would I would do my my depending on the day I would do a push

115:06day a pull day and a lower body day so lifting weights lifting weights yeah strength day was always lifting weights and I used weight training so for example I would kickbox like Monday and Tuesday just once a day but that hour and a half session I left everything when I hit the bag I couldn't hit 10 rounds of bag because after round three I'm gassed I'm putting all my force all my energy I'm training for a 9 Minute fight I'm not training for a marathon so you need to train the proper energy system in order to you know be the most successful and that's kind of that anerobic system of constantly pushing yourself letting yourself recover pushing yourself letting yourself recover if I'm constantly that's why I never ran a day in my career you never ran never ran a day in my career wow I did not hit the road a day in my career wow that's shocking to a lot of people

115:56me included everyone's everyone who hears it's like you're nuts you're crazy I said why give me one good reason why I can give you one is if you need that time to reflect if you need that time to mentally prepare yourself but what does it do for you in the fight are you ever going to run 10K in a fight no it's a Sprint right do you see sprinters like you know you saying bolt you know doing take 10K runs every morning he might do it to loosen up and stay relaxed but there's other ways of doing it you've mentioned it on your podcast Shadow Boxing instead of going for a 10k run shadow box for 20 minutes you go into the ring and shadow box envision your opponent I'm fighting Raymond Daniels I'm going to pressure fight Raymond Daniels so I'm going to shadow box for 20 minutes in the ring like I'm pressure fighting Raymond Daniels I'm mentally focusing myself I am using the right

116:49Energy System because I can pick up my intent inity as much as I want if if I just want to stay loose I just won't punch I might not even punch I might just use my footwork within the ring to kind of just set my mind set my feet but there's so many different ways you can skip you can you know um sometimes I do light training on the bag I'll do some light rounds on different bags just to warm up my hands and my body and and that kind of thing but I never ran too much damage you're you're running shin splints the damage on your joints and it didn't hit the Energy System you HD in fighting so why do that's really interesting because you always had a very high output work output in your fights and you had very good endurance in your fights too everyone thought there was a secret I said I trained hard in an hour and a half I trained hard when I hit the bag I

117:37hit the bag I wasn't looking around at the time looking at how much time's left on the clock I I hit the bag if I knew I was doing if I was working something technical or drilling it's different but when it's time to work you got to put the work in you got to be able to cut out all those distractions that you have and it doesn't matter what you have to do after it doesn't matter what's going on in your day if your girlfriend or boyfriend broke up with you or whatever the freak it is you got to be focused and you have an hour and a half to do it now when you see MMA fighters that are putting in two a days on a regular sometimes three what do you what do you think of that I think it's okay if you're doing it right I mean you MMA there's more things happening right so if if you're doing a a roll in the morning you know it's okay but you're not going to go the hardest rolling you

118:27have and then hit the hardest strength and conditioning you have and then at night do your hardest kickboxing session there's no way the next day you're actually putting 100% of your energy in those sessions so maybe sometimes if they're doing three sessions they might put 60% in each session you're never really hitting that last 40% which is probably the the the place you want to be you want to be in that place where you're not comfortable you want to be in that place where you're tired because that's what fighting is getting yourselves to that point you want to throw up if you have to you know it's it's they say it's your your mind gives up before the body does so when you're tired and you starting to feel all that lactic acid and you shut down they say it's your brain shutting down first and you have some time to keep going so you got to prepare your mind to be able to

119:18withstand that if you're hitting bag for 10 rounds and you're looking around and you're around like what are you what are you accomplishing that unless you're working on technique or warm up but you have everything has to have a purpose I don't believe in doing something that doesn't have a purpose well that's one of the things that I really like about the way you drill and one of the things I like about the way you shadow box is that you do everything like you're in a fight yeah everything guard is high stance is perfect footwork is perfect when you say that you lift weights like what kind of weightlifting were you doing once a week um it it's the basics but the most effective so I would do i' always squatting squatting is very important why you think squatting is so important lower body when when everything in in athletic movements comes from the lower body you

120:06have to have strong hips you know your glutes got to be firing at a level and you know when you punch when you kick everything comes from your lower body and that's what people don't understand so were you squatting heavy were you squatting lightweights low High Reps depends what phase I'm in if I was in hypertrophy phase I was probably doing 10 sets of 10 on a lower weight um as I was in power strength phase I was doing five sets of five as I was more of the explosive phase I would do more of like five sets of three and then I'd maybe super set it with an explosive jump or a standing long jump or a you know a skater style uh movement but I'd always use it I'd add Sprint some there's one times where I would do you know five heavy explosive squats and then I would line up on the track right after my set and I would do like um 10 yard Sprints just to work that explosiveness so that

120:55whole point of getting strength into explosiveness so that kind of running you believed in well just that little bit right but not but not too much that would be like once or twice in a camp otherwise I know my central nervous system was going to shut down no once or twice in a camp huh I wouldn't do it very often even that sled run you know how all the guys are doing the prowler pulls and sleds if I did that I'd be out of commission for a week because my body would just take a beating and then I would I wouldn't be be able to function and do what I really had to do which was kickbox the next day right right right so it had to have a purpose I would do it as a mental test for myself I would do it as um you know my weight's not coming off right now I'm holding a lot of water let's run the sleds I use that as that more than just constantly if you're running the prowler

121:41every day your nervous system's taking a freaking beating right now what about nutrition like what what did you eat and how did you um nutrition I was a little bit I wasn't super calculated as people are today with counting their macros and micros and I was that's too complicated and I don't believe in over complicating things I I love the basics I believe in the basics um so I never over complicated things I knew what good carbs and bad carbs were I knew good timing when to eat I knew what things I should be eating when but I never really counted how many calories I was eating in my day I just knew through experience wow yeah it just came through experience and practi iing and playing around with my body there's no cookie cutter you know approach to it so like what would a typical meal be like for dinner it would always be a balanced meal have a little bit of protein a

122:32little bit of carbs and some vegetable there's always has the three at first what I was doing when I first started finding I was like ah carbs make you fat carbs make you fat and like everyone thinks and everyone wants to diet the first thing they think they have to do is cut their carbs out but now there's all this new research about fats and how important is intermittent fasting and how important it is to to keep High fats in your diet so a lot of guys are doing the the avocados and coconut oils to kind of get that fat but I just like the balanc meal I'd rather lower my protein and have a good carbohydrate which is my first line of energy so I would eat a lot of sweet potatoes quinoa um baked potatoes sometimes did you supplement with vitamins not much Omega-3s usually um that's about it I take an electrolyte after training that's about it nothing crazy now what

123:25about um did you do anything for go ahead I was going to say I but I wasn't the guy that if I knew how to fight I cut weight from eight weeks out it wasn't like hey I'm going to just eat like and then I'll deal with it no 8 weeks out my diet started with my Camp right so to lower your body F I only want to lose 2 lbs a week anything more than 2 lbs a weeks becomes unhealthy right so I'd get to about 10 to 12 lbs the week before my fight and that was it once was there that last week was all water and did you do any like um deep tissue massage or any ice baths or anything like that recover that yeah yeah I did but not it wasn't a big Focus I did a lot of rolling out stretching that kind of thing but I like epson salt baths those one of great I love that some people are obsessed with deep tissue though I know guys that get deep tissue massage every day after training

124:15and you've done that was it the Cairo how do you say it cryotherapy cryy yeah yeah that's intense you like it love it you never done it no I haven't done it yet you want to do it I'll do it let's do it today I'll take you done all right I've never done it oh you love it yeah yeah it'll freak you out cold as it's just you can't believe how cold it is you're like how the is this I was like I got to try it I got to try it but yeah never really 250° below zero yeah and how long you're in there for like 10 seconds three minutes three minutes yeah well you'll do a minute and a half they won't let you go more than a minute and a half for the first time what trying to say I'm soft or no no for anyone it's just the rule the second time you'll do it they'll let you 3 minutes I've done 340 that's the longest I've ever done those last 40 minutes like is it 3 minutes of hell or is it 3

124:58minutes of it's not fun it's uh Jamie's done it you've done it what's it like Jamie describe it uh not really claustrophobic isn't the word because there's uh kinds you can get in that your your head's above like you can still breathe and you can still talk to people but this kind is not like that kind that we go to yeah you're in a you're in a meat locker essentially where the the liquid nitrogen cools the oxygen it's not you know that woman that died in Vegas do you know that story no well she uh she said it herself and apparently she was kind of short and um her mouth was below the outer lip and so she was breathing in the liquid nitrogen and you can't that's like getting choked out you have no oxygen so she just fell asleep and she froze to death and they found her the next day frozen solid see this is the kind head's out yeah that's the kind that they that most people do

125:48where your head is out and your body's freezing but look how much fun she's having there she's having a great time she's having a blast in there she's doing an ad the kind I do if you go to cryo Healthcare Jamie the kind we do you have to wear a mask you wear like a surgeon's mask over your face you wear ear muffs you wear gloves and you wear slippers yeah you wear socks and then you wear like rubber Crocs and you uh you step in there and you're inside a chamber let's see if they have some images so you could see what looks like have you done that sensory deprivation stuff I have one in my basement yeah yeah I love it I do that all the time now it's giant if you're claustrophobic good or bad someone says you don't even think about it it's not the best thing for people who are claustrophobic but claustrophobia is psychological see that's where it is see how these guys

126:39that's how they're dressed and the ear muffs and the the the um face masks and so you go in that one chamber that's on the right that's where you take off the robe and then you step into the one on the left and that one is the one where you freeze your dick off so you'll do uh in a little bit we're going to take you over there you do about a minute and a half in there it's awesome I love to man um I just want to know about it because people keep asking me it's great well Dr Ronda Patrick who's actually on tomorrow who's a huge proponent of both sauna and cold shock therapy and she believes that uh heat shock proteins and cold shock proteins like that you get from sauna and you get from um uh cryotherapy they provide your body with uh some incredible anti-inflammatory uh responses and your body essentially when you go to a sauna your body's freaking out your body's

127:30like what the it's so hot but if you do it in a controlled environment for a certain amount of time your body produces these heat chock proteins that are really beneficial for you and so she believes in the sauna like she think there was a study that she was talking about where the sauna showed a 50% drop in mortality across the board from all things whether it's from cancer disease all these different things like the people who regularly did sauna had such a a healthy response to that sauna and having those inflammatory markers uh reduced in the blood there it is using the sauna four to seven times per week associated with oh 40% 40% lower all cause mortality that's crazy yeah I was reading something uh Tim Ferris he has a book now called tools of the Titans and he someone he I guess he he has his own podcast or someone just for me and he basically talks to all the top people or

128:26um in their field and so he wrote a list of like all the tips that these people suggested and a lot of them was on sauna and baths and it never really got into too much of the science behind it but these you know people in this field were saying sauna three times a week is probably one of the best things you can do for yourself yeah what she was writing there HSP that's what she's talking about heat shock proteins and I bet you could probably reproduce that with a hot bath that's what HSP um cyto keines too that you that's also what you're getting from cryotherapy you're getting these these anti-inflammatory responses and um I think you probably could get it from Hot Yoga too cuz Hot Yoga you get so hot in there hot yoga I love it I did it and I took a little break but I'm starting again oh it's amazing it's amazing for flexibility too but you you the class I

129:17was in was an hour and a half and that was long it's long it's the last 15 minutes are the last one you literally sit up lay down or something that sit up like oh I'm dying man yeah it's brutal you definitely get used to it though but you know I see like girls that go to my place that'll take two classes in a row so I feel like such a yeah serious sitting there for 3 hours I'm sitting there struggling following this old lady besides me killing it I have to use those little foam blocks to even sit down and everyone's just laughing you can see all the mirrors too and the mirrors make it worse man everyone feel the whole place is staring at me well especially they're looking at you this muscular stud and you actually a 60-year-old lady who's got her foot above her head that's funny I went with uh when I was going was with my ex-girlfriend so a lot of the uh a lot

130:03of the old ladies would go is that your boyfriend they're so cute for trying like you know cuz I was trying my ass cuz I'm an athlete man I'm like I'm not letting this old lady be able to do this and I'm standing here struggling are you crazy but it's like what you're talking about before if you took a marathon runner and then put him in a pool they would be dying you know still you're an athlete man you're going to try course guy like sweating extra from trying so hard yeah it was tough but I love it man you know what I feel from yoga especially from the last year where I've been really consistent with it is that I feel like all the like there's a lot of things that are really good for your body I think lifting weights is good for your body if you do it correctly I think martial arts all sorts of training is good for your body but I feel like what yoga does for your

130:43balance and for all the things that connect like for your joints and your spine I've never done anything where I can feel my back pop loose like po pop like there's things you do where you in yoga where you um you bend down and you reach behind your heels and you tuck your hands under your heels and then you straighten your legs out with your body flat and so you're pulling your body apart with your legs like you're literally pulling your spine apart and you hear it go thk thk it's so good for you and you leave like like my back is always like from all the years of Jiu-Jitsu there's always like a pain there always like a something something ning yeah there always but yoga eliminates almost all that cuz even when I was doing it like I realized how much scar tissue and that developed in my joints like even if my arm like I can't fully straighten my left arm and

131:33there's the one where you have to kind of put your pinkies together and lay on your arms yeah and that really helps stretch it out and I'm like a this stuff's not good and then I'm sitting on the couch at home and like I'm sitting in positions where I was like my legs are crossed all funny I'm like I can't even cross my legs and here I am like in like a m Gandhi here with my legs super folded in half I was like this is crazy and I loved it since then I wasn't consistent with it but I said I'm going to be a a yoga practitioner for Life beautiful yeah it's it's great for mobility and for people that just want to be healthier it's it's for the just the ability to use and move your body I think it's amazing the problem with guys it's that negative stereotype oh it's so gay to do yoga yeah do it man try it yeah I know it's weird that it has that stereotype I don't know why it's so

132:20stupid but it's incredible I loving it it's one of the more underestimated things in terms of its difficulty Factor you know it's just very underestimated yeah do you think MMA fighters should be doing it I think what you were saying about you could only do so many things is very important which I think one of the reasons why your philosophy about only working out one time a day no running I think well obviously it worked out great you had amazing success as a fighter and obviously your endurance was spectacular your output was spectacular I mean you were an aggressive pressure fighter So when you say that you have the sort of measured approach to training I think it's very interesting some of the times that I've gotten my ass kick the most in Jiu-Jitsu was after I took yoga I took yoga in the morning and then I went to train at night and just got choked ter they say you

133:06have to like give some time off from training or something because your body is so loose the other thing is they say you don't want to overstretch your muscle CU then you take it out of that optimal range to fire so I don't know if you really over stretch things I don't know if that's true I I I know what you're saying I know they say they say that in term Hing are to flexible or like I don't think that's I don't think that necessarily makes sense I think where that where it makes sense is you shouldn't stretch out before you do explosive things they used to think you should now they think you should warm up and get your body sweaty and loose but that in actually stretching well you really stretch something out you actually lessen the amount of power that you can generate with those muscles but I always feel like full mob I mean outside of that I think that's

133:53where the argument is and I think it's obviously correct because there's been research to back it up but I don't think there's any research that shows that like being able to do a full split and anyway will take away your kicking power right I mean think about the amount of power that a lot of these guys can generate that are really flexible I think if there's any there might be a tradeoff like maybe it you makes you a little less powerful but a little more mobile and then you can generate more power and build more power up and still keep that Mobility that would be Optimum but I think there's probably a middle ground there that you need to reach yeah what do you think of I know George sterre came and made gymnastics popular and then Conor McGregor with that movement what's your take on that movement I think footwork is critical in MMA I think it's really important to be

134:40able to get out of the way and move in as fast as possible and that's one of the things that Connor spectacular at Connor is so good at sliding back sliding back and coming in and and he's also there's also a totally different philosophy that's a part of striking with those little tiny gloves it's much more difficult to put yourself up in a shell I mean the way you would fight was so classic I really you know I'm not kissing your ass anymore this is it this is the last time but I really loved how you were so Solid Rock Solid with your defense and your fundamentals chin tucked gloves up high and it was very hard to get through that that doesn't necessarily work the same way in MMA cuz guys can sneak punches through sneak punches around but I still think you have have to have that as a base I think you're right no matter what you're going to get in fight exchanges and there's a

135:27lot of guys who are good at closing distance so isn't it's better to at least hey I'm going to leave an exit with my hands up rather than leaveing exiting with my hands coulde and again the way I throw it and it I can still make it work in MMA because one of the tricks that I teach my MMA guys is instead of keeping that front arm pinned you keep it up here so it it covers the center so you're lifting your front elbow and kind of tucking it in so this way your elbow now covers the center line so now it's harder for straight punches and you got to think you give me a straight punch and I put my elbow in front to block the center line if you punch your two Knuckles on an MMA glove on my elbow you break your hand yeah so you can really manipulate that front elbow to be able to kind of use that defense and kind of make uh make it work but again I still believe in movement

136:19there is another issue in MMA May too is breaking hand breaking hands yeah a lot of guys break hands with those little gloves but when you did old school martial arts how did you train your hands well you know what man there's a lot of guys my friend John was a nut about this my friend John Lee who was a US national Tao Champion he used to punch bricks and he had one knuckle like his his two Knuckles had forged into this one giant callous knuckle like have you seen those old like M oyama guys you know old school one you don't even see a knuckle more yeah but but then I heard like that shit's super bad as you get older like you get massive arthritis and you can't write your own name anymore so I I I I played around with um doing some Bag work with no gloves on I keep my wraps on sometimes mostly just to avoid the scraping and The Cutting but I'll hit the bags with with no gloves on and

137:13I'll literally hit my hand on different angles for example I'll sit there and I'll hit the side I'll back fist it you need that that like I said earlier in the podcast you need to strengthen everything you need to strengthen all those little parts and that's why one of my last Instagram videos I said add weighted uh just a one pound or two pound dumbbell to your Shadow Boxing because again you're you're you're working those little joints you might not necessarily work like if you have those dumbbells and you rotate your hands in a circle you're going to feel your elbow work at different movements in different ways that help strengthen the joint so those little minor things add up at the end I'm sure did you ever squeeze like hand grippers or anything like that not really with that a lot of guys are into that too i' I've gotten more into that lately um this is old school yeah

138:02there's a company called captains of crush they make ones that are like 197 PBS to squeeze they make them up to I think they can go even heavier than that but I have ones at home that are 140 160 I keep them in my car and just you know especially for your Jiu-Jitsu though that develops naturally yes it does develop naturally but that's that accentuates it definitely accentuates it and uh hanging hanging from your hands like from a chin up bar you know what uh my jiujitsu guy at my gym um loves it he's like man he's like you got to hang and we're like buddy get out of here he's literally hanging and I was like he says what it's done for his joints has been incredible yeah that was another shoulder issue yeah that's what I'm saying that's another Steve Maxwell thing he brought up on this podcast about being able to uh loosen the shoulders up and alleviate a lot of the

138:49impingements through hanging and people who are interested in this they're listening they have a if you have a shoulder injury there's a bunch of um videos of it online of while they explain it another thing that I got into recently was uh Bottoms Up kettle bells you know like uh this is a kettle bell here and when you most of the time you hold a kettle bell you'd hold it like this okay well when you hold it the other way you hold it like this yeah you're developing like real stability in your shoulders that you don't ordinarily it's more like a stability yeah yeah because it's not like as hard to hold it up you know like it's not the weight itself not that hard to lift cuz like this Iron Man Kettle B is only 40 lbs I was actually talking about those today dope right Whitney Miller yeah she's with Glory now right she's the backstage she was telling us about yeah she was

139:37telling me she was you guys are friends yeah I love these things but bottoms up kettle bells doesn't have to be an Iron Man any kind it it's uh very weird how hard it is to balance and in place and it's exellent stability yeah some of those poses when you're on your ball of your foot balancing on one leg Yeah the strongest bodybuilder in the world not a chance what I was shocked with was how my feet would hurt yeah when I first started getting into yoga I'm like God my feet are killing me like when you do the standing bow pose my feet would be shaking I was like this it's so weird it's such a weird weird little muscles that you don't think you got to think well God I've been kicking things forever my feet have to be strong no so back to that movement would do you like that movement stuff yes I do and I don't but it's like what I was saying about yoga like I think you made a really good

140:26point like you can't do everything and you probably wind up doing too much you want to yeah but I think that there's something to the ability to move your body and um it's one of the things that Eddie Bravo has brought up many times what we have seen over the last few years is uh break dancers who have gotten into MMA or gotten into Jiu-Jitsu rather and they're phenomenal I mean two of Eddie's best students uh Richie Martinez and Gio Martinez are are break dancers so these guys are ridiculously uh Dexter their dexterity is ridiculous so they can like stand on one hand and have the other hand up in the air and their feet are up and they spin they can spin on their head and unbelievable ability to move their bodies and that translates directly into grappling and they learn so quick like I had heard about these guys when they were just starting he's like dude these

141:18guys they've been doing Jiu-Jitsu for three months choking everybody I'm like that's crazy he's like I'm telling you it's like just makes sense you you they can move their body in a way that you can't move your body and I think there's mobility and the ability to um to effectively manipulate your body in a way that's alien to other people I think has significant advantages and I think that comes from what that Ido portal guy is doing and I think that comes from yoga I think that comes from a lot of these break dancers but it's a matter of like how much time do you spend doing that and is it something that you start doing when you're 28 when you're already a professional fighter as a world champion or is it something you need to do when you're 15 and you know you're a a crazy kid around in high school and you get really good at it and then you translate that ability to move your body

142:06directly in this martial arts see I look now and as a 31-year-old I look back now and I say what would I have done if I knew I was going to end up as a professional fighter what would I have done from a young age in order for me to improve to where I was I want to hear your take on it so what would you do as a kid I'll give you an example one of my things I would have done gymnastics from a young age great great thing to say I and my other one dancing it's a great thing too yeah that's a great thing that's why I think Chris Brown's gonna up soldja boy told you yeah I think the ability to move your body you know I mean the ability to move it really well I mean I noticed that going from Taekwondo to Jiu-Jitsu that I had great balance transferable skills yeah you're used to standing on one leg all the time so your ability to maintain that position is much better than someone

142:50who's not and I noticed that even translating directly into yoga but I think it depends on what kind of fighting you're trying to do like if I wanted to get into MMA one of the things that I tell people is that wrestling is probably the most important skill the ability to dictate yeah the ability to dictate where the fight takes place that was a gigantic key to the success of George S Pierre and the success of many many fighters and also the success of many Strikers is their defensive wrestling their ability to keep the fight standing so if you have the ability to take a guy down and you have the ability to make sure he doesn't take you down then you can better dictate where the fight takes place so I I think and I think it's also a skill that's really that's that translates so incredibly well when you learn it early in life but striking is the scariest and

143:42striking is also something that I think there's a diminished Effectiveness in learning as you get older there's something about like I've seen people that didn't start doing Jiu-Jitsu until they're 30 and they developed elite Black Belt skills how Russell Peters by the way Russell is great is he good is he good at J just starting he eats too much he drinks too much he's beautiful I saw that picture it's awesome yeah man he's training we train you know he's uh he he gets after him man he gets tired I love him I love that guy to death but he um back to uh the question about um train it depends on what you would want to do saying striking I think I think footwork and movement I think the ability to get in and out you know like when you look at guys who are really good at not being there when their their opponent attacks when you look at like guys who have fantastic

144:37footwork and but I think maybe if you want to be a striker I think really just working I think what you're saying about your your training regimen that you would essentially you you're not running you're not doing all these different things you're you're focusing entirely on what you will do in an actual fight so maybe you didn't do anything wrong maybe you did it perfect that's it who knows yeah who knows it works man I don't know I just think like you said people are doing way too much and that's the problem yeah and they're not things have to have a purpose like my strength training there's all these new tools and these new fun things like hey let's do this crazy exercise where I'm doing a deadlift into a squat into some shoulder press why don't you deadlift do it it well and then why don't you squat do it well and then why don't you shoulder press and do it well

145:26in a safe proper manner there's it doesn't have to be over complicated and I think people are trying to over complicate and that's what kind of takes away from their success is over complicating things and wouldn't you also agree that it depends entirely upon the kind of body that a person was born with like some people abely genetics is huge yeah it's Giant and it's it's sort of like the inescapable Factor if someone has genetic advantages you know they just they just win like they even say like power hitting I don't know you can teach someone to hit harder but there's just those naturally guys who can just knock you out from day one just a natural hitting ability you can't teach someone to hit like George Foreman no no way it just it is what it is no matter how much you turn your shoulder and you put your hip into it you're not hitting them isn't it

146:11crazy too that you can't tell by looking at someone like there's some people you would look at them and they don't look like a big puncher but they were murderous yeah it's you know what it is a lot of those tall guys they have that stiffness in that it's like a stiff power that's really tough sometimes it's like a stiff power but it hurts well it's a mechanical advantage you know that leverage which also translate to Jiu-Jitsu it's a giant advantage in Jiu-Jitsu to have long limbs it's tough like I like you back to a Long Point from before but I became my best as a martial artist with color commentary you have to know everything you have to be able to you have to watch a fight and you have to be able to assess instantly what's going on how they're doing it um you got to do it on the Fly you don't have time right so you have to be able to pick things up

147:01quickly and now I'm at the point where I can look at someone as soon as they get into their stance I'll be like okay you got to do this this this and this well it's funny too when you can tell like when a guy's going to kick like oh here comes a right kick you just see it you see that back heel come up you see him leaning a little bit or especially when the guy's going to spin that's the big giveaway you see that left hip turn a little inep step yeah yeah you could see it you could see it how do you think would you be a good coach if I was invested in it I would be the best coach that I could be for sure and that's one of the reasons why I stopped teaching I stopped teaching when I started doing stand-up comedy because I wasn't being a very good teacher anymore just because you didn't put the time and the effort into it or it wasn't where my head was at my head was now I

147:41was you know there was no like I said there was no money in fighting when I was fighting there was nothing and so unless I was you were a boxer you weren't going to make any so that was before Fear Factor yeah way before so there was essentially no way to have a career other than teaching and so when I started getting into stand-up comedy I realized like I got talked into it by guys I used to train with and when I started doing I realized like oh wow like I could make a living doing this like this is actually there's a real path like there's guys that I know that make a living doing this where everybody I know that's fighting is broke or they're slurring their words and like guys from the gym that would be in gym Wars all the time and now they're all up they they par their car there was a lot of that that was scaring the out of me so when I started getting into

148:26comedy I quit teaching and I suffered financially because of it but I would rather do that at the time my mind was I would rather suffer financially than give anybody a half-ass coaching job yeah you know so coaching MMA I think is one of the most difficult things in all sports you know I I'm sure coaching kickboxing is probably very similar in that regard in that you're so invested in your students there's so much on the line yeah I mean and it's so you're you're you know there's nothing you can do you can train them as much as you can but you got to let them go when they get into that ring or get into that cage and like you know and hope that it all comes together but the other problem I find with MMA is uh a lot of coaches there's too many coaches I find you have a lot of these guys have a boxing coach that's telling them to box a certain way then

149:19all of a sudden they're going hey I got to do Muay Thai now so they have a Muay Thai coach is now telling them to do Muay Thai this way then all of a sudden hey we got to do spinning so let's do what it here so now all of a sudden you have three different coaches all telling you to do different things so now this poor fighter is going to go to the ring yeah you might not know you might know everything from all of them but what are you going to do you're going to get confused that's where again Basics are important that's why I don't think you should over complicate so I know if you're going to jab I know how I'm going to do it I'm not I don't have time to sit there and be like okay I know I can Parry I know I can slip I know I can time with the LOI you have to know right and I think with too many uh too many coaches are complicating for these guys where they think they

150:06have to hit all of these things so they're going to all these different coaches and it's way over complicated so who do you listen to how do you listen to which way is the right way which one's the wrong way my boxing coach is telling me to turn my heel out my kickbox in coach is telling me to keep my front foot pointing forward which is the right way it's a good good point and I think that's where guys like Matt Hume guys like fasah jave that's why they're so important because they're overall MMA coaches and also I think what's really important about guys like Matt and faras is that both of those guys are highly accomplished martial artists in all disciplines so they really know how to put it all together like far is Black Belton Jiu-Jitsu he's an outstanding Striker so he knows how to combine all those things together I think that's so critical Jackson was probably the same

150:51way yeah uh I mean there's there's maybe a dozen of them on the planet and that's a problem if you're not near any of those and you start out with someone and then that coach becomes like a mentor figure to you and then you realize oh my coach is kind of limited yeah in a lot of ways it's very difficult to separate yourself from some it's hard to see that yes and it's kind of you can't be a fighter who you put all your trust into this man to help you out then all of a sudden you're like oh he's lacking things yeah like I remember um with uh with Mitch G he came to me and he was like he had a guy working with him all the time and I was just kind of like I go to um uh his friend who asked me to help him with his strike I like man I don't know if I can help this guy he's just so bad technically at this point or I'm like it's a lot of work I have to do to to kind of fix and clean things up

151:39and and that's my way but he was so good at just being a beast and not caring that he was successful but when I showed him my way of putting things he's like ah I wish I learned this earlier you know I wish I had this and then there was kind of sometimes you can kind of get angry about it man why did I waste like so many years with this guy if if this is the way it should have been done from the beginning yeah I mean obviously people are limited geographically as far as like having a good coach near them but I urge anybody listening to this to put the research in before you join a gym it's so much harder to unlearn something than it is to learn it so when you have like one of the things that I would deal with uh in teaching taond is guys who came from other martial arts that didn't know how to do certain things correctly like their their knees would be down they didn't lift the knee

152:27above the hip they didn't get real power into anything they had never worked with a kicking bag they never worked with a heavy bag they had just done stuff in the air and so they didn't have any power and so you'd have to try to retach them and like they when they would get tired it'd be the same thing foot up knee down everything be all screwed up and you like no no no you got to go even when you're tired you got to stick to the proper technique and they you would fall into what you learned from first yeah it's tough it's tough and and you you always want to trust that person cuz you can't you have to and that's a lot of the fighters um confidence comes from their coach yeah so you have to but it's kind of hard it's very hard it's hard to find that balance and it's also you have to have a relationship with that coach where you like them yeah that's that's

153:11hard too so if you were to have an MMA fight where would you go man is that putting you on the spot no but I think those guys that you talked about Mt Hume those two guys are in my opinion like cream of the Croc Duke Duke Rufus you know I think you would have to have someone also that sees what you do well and says well this is obviously your primary base you're really good at this so let's let's work on all these other aspects too but this we're not going to try to take this away from you and turn you into a wrestler you know then you're going to fight a real wrestler and get up yeah it's I mean and it's it's such a creative approach because you're cre ating a fighter I mean you take someone and you're you're putting all the tools together and you're helping them helping mold them but then it's also up to them too it's up to them to be improvisational inside the ring or

154:02the octagon and to figure out how to put those things together and everyone's got their own little style their own approach you know and again a lot of the differences like I mean just because I do something differently than someone else doesn't necessarily mean their way is the wrong way right right of course I'm going to believe my system is the best system and the way but it's not to say it's the only way no there's no only way and that's what I love but you have to be open to know that there's other ways and that's where I've been uh touching around on have you read the book of five rings yes and he talks about you have to know your weaknesses you have to know other arts in order to make your art and style the best that's mashi nice that's my the tattoo I've been reading it and I can only read one page at a time cuz I'm like I got to sit there got reflect on it's deep

154:51man oh he was a deep dude I mean he killed 60 people with swords yeah one-on-one combat mamot Masashi one of the greatest Samurai ever and during a weird phase in history you know he was a ronin traveling around just getting in Sword fights crazy and and doing calligraphy and art he opened my mind to this idea that you have to be balanced in order to be effective in combat you can't have any holes in your mental game and one of the ways to not have holes in the mental game was that he would approach everything as like art everything you did whether you were writing your name whether you were uh you know filling out a form driving your car no no cars back then obviously but everything that you did you would do with Excellence H yeah he's a bad oh for sure I'm loving it man like it's deep and you talk about it and you look at it you can look at yourself sometimes be like yeah man I'm

155:41the modern day of some of the stories he does like I did that in a different way you know and I think that's really cool for me to see and read yeah because it translates you know this guy lived that life and and then it's just a different time yeah and then sat down and tried to relay the information that he had accumulated over this life of people up with swords I have a random question I ask you both fighting true or false was it a real story that you wanted to fight Wesley Snipes it wasn't my idea it was uh it cuz I always wanted to know about that yeah that was real story one of the original producers of the UFC Campell McLaren who's a buddy of mine yeah I did a a reality show with him what was it I did uh comatus America I was a guest uh I was a guest coach on it well they're still doing that show they're still having fights you know it's he's still uh putting on fights it

156:30was cool cuz one of the guys that uh I I was like a guest kickboxing coach on the show uh now fights with Glory Daniel Morales yeah wow that's awesome man was cool experience so he came to me with the idea because Wesley Snipes had tax problems that's what it was about so yeah we're going to do it so you would have I was gonna yeah would it have been a UFC sanction BR yeah yeah that would have been interesting who knows yeah you know that's why I asked earlier I was like should I ask him or not I'm like I got to ask him well he had a martial arts background um I know he did a lot of karate and you know I know he was a good kicker like you could tell like when you throw punches and kicks that he knew how to execute techniques but he never fought you know and he had no Jiu-Jitsu at all zero and I was like well good luck was he was he thinking about taking it he took it well

157:15I mean we were we had lawyers we had signed contracts or we had negotiated contracts aren't you an unlockable character on the UFC game lockable yeah unlockable yeah yeah is that yeah unlockable would say wrong yeah you can unlock me yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's character I don't know how it's weird that you have to do some weird thing to do it you have to do that what it called still Konami Code it's it's like a well-known code in order to get you on the game yeah you could do that and you can unlock me yeah do you fight as you no I don't I don't play video games neither do I have a problem with my brain I can't get involved in games I get too obsessed yeah I'm I have an addicted personality and I try to avoid all things that are negative or waste time that could be addictive you know you know yeah it's crazy you have to know that you know what's crazy too like

158:05I've worked at uh because I work with kids with special needs and I work a lot with autism and I realized and I'm was like man these kids like just so obsessed with certain things and routine and then I started looking at other people in my life I'm like maybe we all have that little bit of that autistic traits in us you know like you have to be obsessed for me to be a world champion I had to be obsessed with training you can't just do it and be okay like as these a um you know people living with autism they're just so obsessed with that one thing like I have students who are so obsessed with like the train system and then all of a sudden they can't think of anything else but the train system you can try to and they'll tell you anywhere how to get in Toronto they'll tell you which bus Which Way the most intelligent people you've ever met but if you ask them a simple

158:51question they won't know it because they just don't care their mind is so focused on one thing and autism is just beautiful and crazy at the same time I think it's beautiful to see someone so obsessed and not caring about other things than what they're focused on doesn't work well in society obviously but they're so absorbed in it and I think back and I was like man a lot of us have these personalities to be able to be so obsessed and so routine like these guys um these individuals with autism have to do everything in a particular way certain time a little bit of OCD in there I think to be successful in things you kind of have to have that little bit of Personality yeah and they can make incredible progress and that's one of the things that a lot of those people are recruited by UM Silicon Valley companies like specifically recruited because they know that they can achieve you know some

159:39incredible great um you know Feats of success I have a I I I have a student at my school that probably knows UFC more than you like he's literally crazy knows everything every fighter every name where they're from what they do what they're you name it he knows it wow any fighter any fighter you can ask him from one I had a guy um talk to me about this once and he argued that it's potentially it's an evolutionary trait and what we're watching is the next level of human intelligence we're seeing it in like little blips and leaps and a non-reliance on emotion and um that also he believes that this is that you know human beings are interacting more with computer than ever before and they're interacting less with people in a lot of circumstances and he thinks that what you're seeing is like this eventual transition between humans now and humans of the future yeah it's things have

160:33changed yeah it's trippy yeah listen Joe this is a awesome podcast oh yeah we got to get out of here cuz I got to go take you freezing and uh I got to wrap this up and go home but thank you brother glad we did it appreciate it man I'm so happy to be here finally I'm happy we finally did it too glory in Los Angeles this Friday you can watch on UFC Fight Pass two World title fights got it we got Israel adna Jason winess Matt Embry Robin van R smallin you'll be there I'll be there and if you haven't seen kickboxing this is your chance check it out I guarantee you you'll become a fan or I don't want to talk to you all right see you tomor bye