Jesse Ventura

00:05Uh, first of all, Mr. Ventura, I'm a big fan, but I'm even bigger fan now that I know that you're pro fanny pack. This is huge for me. I've been trying to bring back the fanny pack for years. I've been nothing but ridicule, shame, sent my way. I find that strange because I'm a huge fan. I car I I have one locked in my hotel right now in the safe. You know, you give they give you them little safes in the room. Well, I carry my passport in it. I carry the things that I need to travel if I'm doing airline travel, my schedules. I carry two sets of reading glasses. I carry my sunglasses. What could be better than a fanny pack to carry all that? I don't sucker in the tray. I don't have the, you know, I tend to wear my pants a little tight and I can't put things in the pocket. Things break when they get in the pocket. No, I'm a huge fanny pack advocate. I' I've worn them now for I

01:01bet 20 years I've had them. Me, too. And uh now you have one of ours. Yep. Happy to take it. Thank you. Thank you. I'm honored. It's a superior way to carry your stuff and I'll put it to use. Thank you. Well, and I also I've stated this in Minnesota. I have legit conceal and carry where I can carry a weapon. Right. Where do you think I carry it? In your fanny pack. Exactly. Right. Well, they make fanny packs specifically that velcro open instantaneously. They they pop right open. Yep. Well, if I'm if I'm not wearing my shoulder holster, it's in my fanny pack. Do you I mean, how does that work? Do you you're only allowed to conceal carry in Minnesota and if you go state to state? No. No. Many of the states now are honoring the others. I see. You got to check though. But generally speaking, if you have conceal pretty much across the country now, for most part, if you have a legitimate

01:53conceal and carry in your home state, the other states will likewise honor it. But you can't go to the airport with it, right? You know, you can't do anything like that with it. You'd have to be driving. That's one of those subjects where, you know, much like the subject of your book, The Marijuana Manifesto, it's one of those subjects where as soon as you bring up that subject, concealed carry, people just go, "Oh." Well, it's interesting because it's it's I helped shepherd the law through when I was governor in Minnesota because uh I was mayor of Brooklyn Park first and I went to my police chief to get conceal and carry and he denied me. I was the mayor. How could he deny you? What was cuz it was up to police chiefs. But why? I say he don't like it. Oh, we just didn't like it in general. He didn't like it. And so I sat back and thought, "Wait a minute. This is ridiculous. A police

02:45chief shouldn't have that power. It should be uniformally Yeah. shell issue. If you're qualified, it shouldn't be left up to cuz like in Minnesota, if you lived in northern Minnesota, the rural nor you could get it conceal and carry like nothing cuz the police chiefs up there didn't care. But if you lived down in the cities, you couldn't get conceal and carry if you bribed them. That's interesting because it's a state law. That's bizarre. It was, but it was left up to the the police chiefs. So if you went up, so I I went and changed that and made it universal across the state shall issue, but we required you had to go through an accredited gun training course. You had to go to the range and shoot a minimum of 70. You had to have a complete background check done on you, criminal background, everything. And in the case of uh like you have 0.08 with alcohol

03:44with driving, I made conceal and carry 0.00. Well, those are good. And if you're carrying your weapon, you are not under the influence of any alcohol. None. That's all those are all excellent ideas. And that's where we passed it. Now, if you qualify for all that, it shall issue. What so what do you stand with the NRA has been they they push back and I understand why they they push back against any gun regulation anything that comes up any regulation in regards to background checks regards to anything because they feel like ground lost is lost forever you'll never get and it is and it is and it is uh where I feel is is that uh you let me put it to you this way life experiences I was physically in the Philippines Philippines, Philippine Islands. I was physically in the Philippines the day Ferdinand Marcos became a dictator. I was there. Now, I was in the US

04:46military on a US military base, so it didn't really affect us. I mean, we go into town and all that, but there was a then you had a soldier on every corner with a machine gun when he did it. Well, here's what I'm getting to. He became a dictator and gave himself the power of the president, the Congress, and the Supreme Court. Complete dictatorship. The first thing he did as a dictator, he gave the people of the Philippines a 10 to 12 day grace period to turn in all guns or it was the death penalty. Whoa. Now, my question to the people who oppose gun rights or or are anti-guns, why would a dictator make his first thing of business to disarm the public? Why would he make that his number one priority? Well, it's pretty obvious he doesn't want to militia. Exactly. Yeah. And people fail to realize our Second Amendment is there for us to be able to defend oursel against our own government.

05:50It's not it's not there for hunting and fishing. When they wrote the Bill of Rights, if you didn't hunt and fish, you didn't eat. That was irrelevant. It was there because the British used to come and occupy our homes, steal our stuff. So, the British caused the Second Amendment to happen to where our forefather says, "No, we're going to allow the people to be able to defend themselves against oppressive government." So, do you think that the opposition to it is just a lack of foresight? Like the the idea that you're living in this time where for the most part things are very peaceful. It's probably the most safe time ever to be alive. And that people have forgotten that it's entirely possible that tyranny could erupt at any moment. Maybe so and they don't realize that maybe maybe we you know you got two movements that happened this year. You had the Bernie

06:44Sanders movement and the Donald Trump movement originally. They wanted the same thing. They could never get together though cuz one's the far far left, the other's the far far right. But that what they wanted was a turnover in Washington. They were sick of business as usual. Let's run these bums out and let's start fresh. That's what their two movements were about. And the more we're seeing daytoday, I mean, I think Hillary Clinton is obviously a more rational choice than Donald Trump. She's obviously a person who speaks better, a better representative of of the people. She's intelligent. She's measured and she flip-flops constantly, constantly. But she's obviously deeply deeply in bed with the banks and with special interest groups. In this most recent uh Wikileaks uh release of emails, it shows that she's been she's been with talking with bankers making sure that marijuana stays

07:39illegal. I mean, this is something that she has vowed to push back against with all of her might. And that's a disturbing thing to see in 2016 because in my, you know, there's more people locked up, I don't know if people know this, but there's more people locked up for marijuana in this country than for all violent crimes combined. Yeah. And that is terrifying. It's horrible. It's terrifying. It's horrible too when you get to like when I did this book and went into the history. What's terrifies you there is that our history books are governmentwritten with the government's view of history of what they want you to know. Because what astounded me in doing this book was to learn that marijuana was the economic backbone of this country for its first 160 years of existence. that if George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were alive today, they'd be raided by the DEA, they'd be

08:40doing 10 to 12 years in the federal penitentiary for being major drug dealers because they both raised massive amounts of marijuana and sold it. And and there was a time that England when we were the colonies forced us to grow it because they needed it for their sails on their ships and the rope and so that they could colonize the world with their navy and they forced us to grow it. And here you have a product and now all the the reason that I personally have gotten on the bandwagon and I've made this a personal focus is because I had completely lost my quality of life and marijuana's given it back. How so? Well, I won't say because of privacy, but someone extremely close to me developed epileptic seizure disorder and was seizing three to four times a week, and I was taking care of these seizures three to four times a week. If you've ever dealt with someone with a seizure

09:44disorder, it's a feeling of helplessness, it's a feeling of pain. You can't even imagine what that person's going through. This is the person taking care of them. And if it's someone you love, the pain is unbelievable. And so the person was put on four different one after the other pharmaceutical medicines for seizures, right? None of them worked. They all had horrible side effects. The seizures continued for two over two years. Finally, in desperation, we went to Colorado. The person got quote medical marijuana, three drops under the tongue three times a day. Amazingly, the seizure stopped. Yeah. I have a good friend whose son has the same issue. Amazingly, now the person's completely weaned off all pharmaceutical and it's now in pill form. The person takes a pill in the morning, a pill at night, and has been seizureree for 2 and 1/2 years. Now, are

10:46they taking a pharmaceutical based pill like a marinol or they taking No, they're taking real Well, it's the other stuff, the OM the other, not the THC, but the other CBD. Yeah, the person needs the CB. In fact, this person takes zero THC, all CBD. So, they're not psych It's not psychoactive whatsoever, which is really important to point out. None. None. Even if it were, who cares? Exactly. You know, like my friend Tommy Chong told me, Tommy Chong said, there should be no difference between medical marijuana and recreational. He said the entire plant's medical. Those that are smoking it for the euphoric feeling are doing it for mental health. Oh, absolutely. And that how do you get through this life? If you can smoke a joint in the evening and it makes you relax and what's the matter with that? What's the difference between that or having a glass of wine or having

11:39anything else? Well, we're just victims to the the propaganda of the 1930s. And whether people know it or not, it was all organized by William Randph Hursting. Yeah. And William Randph Hurst, who owned Hurst Publications, also owned owned a bunch of paper mills. He owned these acres of timberland. And they came out with a machine called a decorticator, whether people know this or not. And the decorticator made it economically easy to process hemp fiber. So they came out with this in the 1930s and the Popular Science magazine at the time had a cover that said hemp the new billion-dollar crop based entirely on this new invention the decorticator because before that they used to use slavery. Then when the cotton gin came around they used cotton instead of hemp because it was easier to do. You know you're enjoyable because I don't have to say all this. Well, it's one of those

12:32things that I've just been telling people forever. It drives me crazy. You you've done your homework. It's wonderful because usually I I go on a show, I have to do the explanation of all that, but with you, I don't have to. You know it already. Well, William Randph Hurst was a real piece of you know. Exactly. He really was. And he was in charge not just of these paper mills, but he was in charge of disseminating the news. I mean, this guy ran Hurst publications. Got 26 newspapers in an all whiteun country. So they used marijuana to to race bait to blame the devil weed that black smoked and then they'll rape your daughters and your children and this and your wives and all that and lazy Mexicans. That's why they lay around and these brownskinned people these Mexicans, they're all smoking pot. You live in Mexico half the about four months out of Who the is less lazy than Mexicans?

13:26Mexicans like the dumbest damn workers I've ever met. Exactly. It is one of the dumbest stereotypes of all time. Check out Mexican gardeners. Go. Oh, I'll tell you this. I live off the grid. I live where there's no electricity and an hour from pavement and an hour from electricity. A neighbor built a home down there and I had nothing to do. So, I'd go watch it every day. That's how I live down there. And I watched these Mexican workers build a home out of cement from scratch. They didn't have electronic cement mixers. They mixed every bit of that cement by hand. And one day, I'm watching, you know, the rebar. Two guys had to bend rebar by hand, jerking on it with a pipe to put it at a 45 or 90 degree angle, whatever it was. That's up the code. We have to inspect that building. Well, the point was I started laughing and I said, you know, if you brought the American construction worker

14:27down here, he'd quit in a day. He would quit in a day where cuz all they do is deliver raw materials. And these Mexican builders would build cement houses out of nothing. Out of raw material, without a bit of electricity. Yeah, I'm a big fan of Mexico. Big fan. I love it down there. I love the food. I love the people. I love the life I lead down there because it's the exact opposite of here down there. I live off the grid and I only pay attention to what I can see. That's nice. It's called flushing your brain out. My family lives down there. My parents do. Yeah. They they decided to chill out down in Mexico, do the retirement thing. I'll tell you what else is great. The taxes. And we always laugh at the Mexican government. Oh, they're corrupt. They're this and that. On property taxes, they are way superior to us. You know how it works down there? No. Here,

15:27at least in Minnesota, which is pretty much universal, if you buy a home and you're a good citizen and you fix the home up and improve it, how do they reward you? You pay more, right? Your taxes go up for being a good citizen. So, using their analogy, you should buy the house, let it become the hole on the block, and they'll reward you. You'll pay less. Here's how it works in Mexico. Mexico, your taxes are due in March. Property taxes. If I pay them in January early, they knock off 20%. If I pay them in February, they knock off 10%. I go down January 28th. February is a short month. So, in 30 days, I get 20% on my money legally. Tell me where I can do that. That's pretty beautiful. 20% in 30 days. Now, granted, it's only a couple hundred bucks because property taxes are cheap there anyway. But that's a couple tanks of gas for my pickup truck. Do you feel

16:32weird living down there? Not a bit. Not at all. No. No. I don't even know the language. You don't know Spanish? Nah. Why don't you know it? Cuz cuz I've never taken time to bother. I get What do you do when you're down there? You just barely talk to people. Well, between what they know of English and what I know of Spanish and pantomining, we figure it out. Wow. It's like, okay, all you got to know to survive in Mexico is one word. Just just look at No, look, not Ola. That's high. I see. I know a little bit now. No, no. You look at any Mexican, smile at them and say cervvesa. Oh, and you'll get a smile back. Servea. See? Oh, so you're just getting hammered all the time. No, you just say beer to them. They love to drink beer. So that'll smooth out any situation. Just smile and say survea. Most people don't know also that almost all drugs are decriminalized in Mexico in in response

17:28to the drug laws and the drug war. Starting to get there. The Supreme Court ruled on four people, but only those four people can grow and have pot. It takes three more cases before it becomes the law. Yeah. I don't think it's legal, but it's decriminalized. Like mushrooms are decriminalized. It's getting there. President Fox, who was my friend, he came out and said he wants it decriminalized. He said, "I'm a rancher, farmer. I want to grow it." You're friends with the president? Yeah. That's pretty dope. I knew both of them. Uh Fox and uh who was before him? Uh well, remember I was a governor? Yes. I went there on a trade mission. Oh. Oh, that's about Fox and I actually Fox and I actually established a trade thing in Minnesota via Mexico because when I was down Mexico, they took me to the uh to the uh Corona Brewery. And when they took me there were pallets of corn all

18:18from Minnesota. Yeah. See, I they send their corn from Minnesota to make Corona beer. So, I was going to say I would assume that like Corona is such a weak beer. I would assume it's probably grown in America. No, it's corn, but it's United States corn. It's Minnesota corn that's baked gluten free that makes Corona. Yeah, gluten-free. Like if you're one of those gluten-free you can have a Corona. It's one of the few beers. I think Heineken, too. Some rice based beers. I think Budweiser actually. Yeah. Believe it or not. Corona though. They get all the They get all their corn from Minnesota. So, you're just surveing it up back there. No, I don't even You don't drink? No. So, how why do you say survea for your friends? Well, because that's a that means beer in Mexican and not all the Mexicans love beer. Oh, I see. That's why if you just smile and say surveys at

19:04them, you'll get a smile. Surve. See? Oh, okay. Oh, so you're not asking for one? No, I'm not asking for one. Oh, I thought you I'm just doing it to be friendly. Okay. No, I don't drink. So, what do you do down there? I wake up in the morning with nothing to do and when I go to bed at night, I'm half done. Can tell I've been asked that answer. I can tell. Yeah, I was going to say that. I stole that from a friend down there. He said it one day and I said, "Can I use that when I do an interview?" He said, "Feel free." So I wake up in the morning with nothing to do and by the time I go to bed at night, I'm half done. Well, you obviously wrote this book, so you're doing something. Yeah. So why why do you write books? You just get bored and I know I write them if I'm motivated. So you got motivated because of this epileptic seizure issue. I don't know if you've uh ever paid attention to

19:50this, but uh the Navy Seals had an issue with epileptic seizures as well from the rebreathers. Um apparently there's something to do with getting the bo it's I found out about it because I started um uh eating a ketogenic diet, getting my body to process fats instead of carbohydrates. And one of the reasons um that the seals are looking into this is because it prevents uh seizures in people that use those rebreathers as opposed to uh you know the ones that don't make bubbles. Yeah. I used them all the time. The Emerson rig. I I dove them. That was the majority of the thing I dove when I was in there and I never had a seizure. Well, it's not I never heard of anyone having a seizure. Yeah, some people have them apparently. I don't know how I never heard of it the entire six years I was in. Well, it's also uh epilepsy in children. They've used ketogenic diets to uh control

20:38epilepsy in children. But again, like you were saying, marijuana is another big factor. I would think this I would think if anyone had any type of seizure disorder that would disqualify him from the seals. Yeah. I don't think it's a disorder. I think it's a direct result of using the rebreathers common. Yeah. But I would think anyone that had that result from a rebreather would be washed out. Yeah. You'd think, right? Well, because they they you couldn't take the risk that the person would have to do that job and could have a seizure while attempting to do it. Yeah. I don't know when the seizures occur. I don't know if they have isolated it, but I do know this is the first this the first I've ever heard of it. Dr. Domino, who is one of the premier experts on uh ketogenic diets and uh and nutritional ketones. He's uh he's spoken about this and I've read some other articles about it as

21:26well about especially with kids with uh epilepsy. You got to remember when I was in the teams, it was a whole different mindset. Well, it wasn't even called the SEALs back then, right? You were called uh Well, you had the SEALs, too. We were underwater demolition teams and SEALs both. It's called UDT SEAL. BUDS. Buds. Buds stands for basic underwater demolition/ seal. What happened was we were the frog men and in 1962. John F. Kennedy had enough foresight to realize that wars would be fought by small units from now on. So he took the frog men out of the water and he put them on the land with an executive order because up until that point in time the Navy could go not go past the high water mark. From that point it was the Marines. It required President Kennedy to sign an executive order that allowed the Navy to go past the high water mark which he then

22:23created. Kennedy came out of the Navy. So he took the Navy frog man and put us on land and they re recnamed us then SEALs which the acronym SEAL stands for sea air land teams which means we we come from the sea we come from the air and we come to from the land any of the three. That's interesting. That's where that's where it all came from. Kennedy formed a seal. He took the frog man out of the water and put him on. The Marines were angry because they felt that the the land was theirs and the Navy shouldn't be there. That's always been weird to me. The the rivalry between military units. You would think that the United States and military is one big team. No, because if you're not in a common war, then you got to fight each other. Isn't that bizarre? Yeah, people are crazy. Well, why are we so crazy? When you're in the military, it's just your your mindset.

23:19Yeah. You know, it's your mindset and you get bored. So, if you haven't got an enemy to fight, then you fight the other in the bars. You fight the other services. So, we used to do it all the time. We get in trouble all the time, you know. But doesn't that seem stupid? I mean, as isn't one big team. War is stupid. It is kind of stupid. So, why so why why wouldn't there be stupidity along with war? that you're dealing with people with major egos, high testosterone rate, and they're and they're warriors. You know, when you play that game, that's a game for real. You don't Many times you don't come back and play again. It ain't like football. It ain't like any of these sporting events. It's a It's a game of finality. Did it feel like a game when you were in the military? No, it was my job. most. Well, again, as a pro alete, that's your job, too. It feels like a

24:18job. It's your job. It's your job, but it's also your life. I mean, it's not it's not like lube, but you volunteer. Of course, to go into the buds, you have to volunteer. It's a volunteer unit. You can volunteer in, you can volunteer out. It's whether you want to do the job or not. when all that went down with Chris Kyle and the when he said that he punched you in a bar and you sued the family like No, I didn't. Well, I didn't sue the family. You sued him rather. Excuse me. I sued him and he died and then the suit automatically goes to his estate. That's the way the legal works. She was never in any jeopardy because in any writer's contract, you have insurance from the publisher. So, it's me. They portrayed it and I became the villain going after the widow and the kids. Exactly. That's the biggest lie. It was a big insurance company that's covering the whole thing. They're not

25:15out a penny and they won't be out a penny. But you had to explain it, I'm sure, over and over again. No, I couldn't explain it that the t the trial got overturned because the insurance came out. So, it's okay to lie in court, but if the truth comes out, you can get a new trial. The insurance came out. What does that mean in court? You're not allowed to say that insurance is paying for everything. Even though it's the truth, you're not allowed to say that in court. So, what happens when you say it in court? Well, it came out and the judge allowed it to a limited degree and then the appeals court ruled that the judge shouldn't have did that because having the judge say that it sways people to be inclined to rule against the insurance company because the insurance company's a big even even though the other side is doing what's called poor mouthing. They're getting up

26:02and saying it's taxing them financially and lying. The truth is insurance is paying for all of it. Don't get up and lie about it. So the other side was saying this is going to devastate our family, but in reality they try to influence the and and in this case, let me state this. How overwhelming must the evidence have been for the jury to go against the grieving widow of the dead war veteran? Yeah, must be pretty overwhelming. The the evidence was overwhelming. The the the jury went for they came for me. They said he was lied. This didn't happen. And we're awarding. Well, why do you think he did that? Did you know him? No. You didn't know him? No. I mean, I didn't know even who he was till the thing happened. We were there on the same nights we were at MCP's cuz I was there for a graduation of class 258. I'm class 58. It's traditionally every hundred classes if you can you come back

27:04to the graduation. So class 258 was graduating the next day on Friday. I came out along with my teammates from class 58 to attend that graduation the next day. So, why would I say bad things about the seals if I'm there? That's what he said he punched me for. Well, tell for people who don't know what we're talking about, cuz probably a lot of people listening to this have no idea what we're talking about. So, let me just fill them in real quick. All right. The the book American Sniper, the movie with uh Bradley Cooper, which is just giant hit movie, very patriotic movie about a guy, was one of the most successful snipers in US history, right? uh very successful warrior, Navy Seal, war hero. Everybody loved him. Then he goes on the Opie and Anthony show and he says that he punched you out. Well, there's a chapter in his book. Yes. Where he writes that he called me

27:59Scrufface. Yeah. And he said that I said seals deserve to die. That in other words, he accused me of treason. Yes. And I was out there for a seal graduation. if I felt that way about my old unit, why would I be attending? So, he wrote in the book, he gave you a nickname in the book, Scruff Face, or whoever. I mean, he might not have even when he wrote it in the book, he might not have even thought that he was going to give that to you. I mean, who knows what was going on. My thought was at the time, I was trying to wrap my head around why anybody would do this. Um, and I was thinking, well, maybe he's just trying to generate as much controversy as possible, to generate as much income as possible from his book, and it just got out of hand. I don't I mean I'm I was trying to put it together because there was a couple other fabrications, right? There was a um a

28:46shooting at a gas station that never took place. Yep. And and he said that he during Katrina he was on the dome and shot people who were looting. Yeah. That was disturbing because that's murder. Yeah. And he also lied about his medals. The Navy had to come out and correct. He said he had two silver stars and five bronze stars. He had one silver star and three bronze stars. So he lied about three medals. Well, that's it's one and three is impressive enough. I mean, exactly. Exactly. And then they try to give him an excuse saying, "Well, he was confused." No, you're not. When you get a medal like that, it's like graduating from college. They give you a certificate that puts on your wall if you win the bronze star or the silver star. But as a as a seal yourself, and he threw me under the bus. What does that feel like to you? because but this is I mean obviously this is something

29:39that's very near and dear to your heart hugely he has made it to where I can't go to a reunion anymore there were 170 SEALs that wanted me kicked out of the UDT seal association over his lie and the lies of his buddies who came up and tried to testify for him it got embarrassing in the trial said that it actually happened no they couldn't say it but they tried to say everything else to make it seem like it did. Well, how the hell they do that? Well, because they dance around the questions and the lawyering and well, you have to piece together. There wasn't one witness that saw me get hit and there wasn't one witness that heard me say anything he attributed to me. And weren't you visible the next day? There's pictures, no punch. We have photographs that night them posing for pictures with me. If I had said all this stuff, why would they have take pictures with me? What does

30:36that feel like when someone just lies? Horrible. And and what makes lies about a terrible terrible and what's worse about it is the media jumps on it and convicts me of it because why? They broke the story when I went off the grid in Mexico where I couldn't even come back. So they broke the story. Do you think they knew that? I'm starting to believe it. But weren't what but didn't it happen on the Opie and Anthony show? Yeah. But I don't think that was planned because I know those guys. Yeah. But but was the whole Well, they also did it he did it that day on O'Reilly later that afternoon. So he once he named you, he just started naming you everyone. Oh yeah. Then he then it went viral. It went viral and everyone convicted me because they said, "Well, this Iraq war veteran wouldn't lie." Really? I just I watched uh it well let me tell you how bad it's destroyed my life.

31:32I can't get hired for a job. During my trial after it was over, guess what happened? 34 major media conglomerates entered the the the uh the trial with that amassy they call it or whatever of of influencing the court of appeals to overturn my verdict. And they did it. 34 media conglomerates, the New York Times, the Washington Post, all of these media conglomerates appealed to the Court of Appeals to overturn my verdict. But why? Because I won on something called unjust enrichment. They want the ability to be able to defame you and profit from it. In other words, I'll put it what they had what these judges accommodated them with. There's going to be another trial. They've ordered a new trial. Oh god. So, I got to go through it again. But I'm glad because when it comes out, two juries and two judges find Kyle guilty, who's not going to believe it then? And but the point is they they've

32:35ordered a new trial. They've they dis they threw out the whole verdict of the jury, the federal judge who wrote substantial evidence supporting the jury's verdict. They did all that and they violated their own rules. a 76-year rule. Here's what it states. If because it happened during summation where the judge allowed it in that my attorney it it ended up four questions in an 11-day trial and a half a page of a 20page summary and it was overturned on that and they overturned it because they felt it was undue influence on the jury that they found out that insurance was paying for everything. So, that one factor. Well, and here's the deal. If the rules state that if in final argument they say something, you must object. You must object. So, the trial lawyer has a chance to rule during final argument and the jury has a chance to hear the ruling. They never objected. So, they

33:38must object to undue influence because of the fact that it was I never wait. They never objected. The jury was dismissed at 11:58. At 12:02, they then objected. The judge overruled them and we were done with it. Well, these two judges, Riley and Shephard, have now overturned the case on something that was never objected to in trial. They objected to it. So, they overturned the jury and the federal judge. Then, they also overturned my unjust enrichment claim because the media didn't want it. What they've allowed now is the media can defame you and profit from it and you can't get any of their profits and no matter how they harm you. Well, that's the equivalent of if you went out and robbed the bank and they caught you and they sentenced you to two years in prison for the bank robbery, but when you get out, you get to keep all the money you took. So, that's in this particular case.

34:42talking about this particular case which will now be the standard because they've ruled that way. They now make it to where you can profit from wrongdoing because of this case. Yep. This is this is such a touchy case because it's so indicative of the complications of people because people are not simple. It's really that touchy. He lied. Yeah, he did lie. But and he harmed me with his lie. That but that's not what I'm saying. What's complicated is he's also the subject of this gigantic movie and this symbol of patriotism where so many people will say Chris Kyle rest in peace. So many people would have uh I I saw a cloud that was uh someone took a photo in the cloud. That's not a cloud that's uh Chris Chris Kyle. It looked like a sniper in the cl in this. It's Chris Kyle guiding uh guarding the skies. Like it became a meme. I mean, he became this thing where

35:38it wasn't he was a representative of the the brave military like the the portrayal, but hold on a second. The portrayal that Bradley Cooper played in that movie, that movie was so simplistic and so it was was like right out of a Joseph Campbell movie. The perfect hero's journey. Had I not gone to court, that would have been in the movie. Really? I had to stop it. They were going to have him punch you in the movie. It's in the book. Holy And I had to stop it because no, when we were when we were in trial, you know what they tried to do to diminish my role? Cuz when they knew they were going to lose, their lawyer got me on the stand and he said, "Mr. Ventura," he said, "Would it surprise you to know that the first uh uh draft of the movie doesn't have you in it?" Trying to prove how insignificant my Why would you say the first draft of the movie? That doesn't

36:34mean Well, the first draft of the script. Yeah, but so what if the second draft has you in it? Though I said, here's my response. I said, no, that wouldn't surprise me at all because I said, we've sent two letters to Warner Brothers warning them that if I'm indeed in in this movie, they will be next to be sued. So, we put Warner Brothers on notice that if this chapter is included in your movie, you will get sued next. And you know, people out here, they don't want to step into a lawsuit. That's the only thing that kept me from being punched out in that movie and portrayed me as a villain in that freaking movie. And I've never seen the movie. Just a villain. Way more than a villain. Yeah. Right. I mean, that is insane. It is insane because what's what's crazy to me and what's complicated about this is that there are thousands and thousands of brave men and women who have risk their lives,

37:27sacrificed their lives and this guy becomes this this figurehead and where he he rises above including me. Including you. Yes. Very important. But he rises above all this and becomes this icon figure. Yes. this iconic figure that you can't tarnish and then the truth is irrelevant and they're willing to sacrifice people like you and the truth just for this overall image of patriotism. Yep. It's crazy. What a crazy place that must have been for you. Still is. In fact, do you know that this person that I told you about with the seizures, the seizure disorder started right after this? Oh, I'm sure. Doctors Doctors have said seizures can be caused by stress. So I hold Chris Kyle directly responsible for the seizure disorder also that I had to face that marijuana cured. Did you ever communicate with him face to face? Only once at the first uh when we first in June I didn't even know

38:32who he was. And then at in June of 2012 after the book came out in January, uh we had a settlement conference where he kept saying that if he met me in person, we could work it out. So at this conference, we agreed I would meet him in a room, the judge in the corner, and just he and I like you and I are here. We sat down in the room and I looked him right in the face and I said, "Why did you do this? You never punched me." He looked me back and said, "Yes, I did." I turned to the judge. I said, "There's no need to go any farther." I said, "If he's not going to admit it didn't happen face to face, one-on-one," and I challenge his courage, because yeah, he had the courage to go to Iraq. He had the courage to shoot all these people, but he didn't have the courage to tell the truth, did he? What a bizarre moment that must have been, sitting across from that guy. Yeah. And he looked at me and

39:26said, "Yes, I did." What was the look in his face? I believe, and I'm not a doctor, but I've done some studying. I think he was a sociopath. Sociopaths can lie and hold a straight face, and they lie to the point where they believe their own lie. How bizarre is it that this iconic figure Well, and then look how he died. Yeah. Well, he had no training in post-traumatic stress. He's not medical. And yet he's taking this Marine to a gun range who's suffering from post-traumatic stress. Wouldn't common sense tell you not to put a weapon in the hands of someone suffering from post-traumatic stress? What do you do? Tell him to man upic stress is different, right? Well, what do they tell him to man up? Why would you put a weapon in somebody's hands who's suffering from post-traumatic stress when you have no medical training? How is Kyle qualified to treat this guy? Well, I would assume it would

40:29be based on his own post-traumatic stress, but he didn't have it. He didn't have it at all. No, he was never treated for it. He may have had it. Maybe that's why he did what he did. I don't know. God, what a crazy place to be. But but the for me it's like I've been accused of something I didn't do. I don't even know the guy. Never. I may have met him that night briefly. Let me tell you something. I I obviously didn't get u one one millionth of a percent of the amount of hate that you did, but just reading I got read off September 11th of this year. I was in New York doing this book tour and I got read off in a hotel lobby over this. What does that mean? Red off. A guy yelled and screamed at me in front of the entire hotel lobby. Jesus Christ. That's what I live with now. And I haven't been damaged. My reputation isn't damaged over something I never did. What I was

41:28going to say is I obviously haven't experienced one 1 millionth of the hate that you have, but I read we read this article on the air. We were trying to figure out what happened when your case was going on. And so we read this article that was I don't know it was in the New York Times. See if you could find the article detailing all the various lies. Oh, that's the New Yorker magazine. The New Yorker. New Yorker. They did an investigation of him. But it's stunning. And just reading that the the amount of hate tweets and Facebook tweets and you coward and you this and you that. I'm like, hey, I didn't write it. Okay. I'm just trying to figure out what the is going on. If someone with verified claims, I mean, everything's verified. Like what they were saying that he said and what actually had happened was all verified. It's very very very confusing that

42:18somehow or another this slipped through the cracks and that this became their iconic figure. Again, not discounting along with you the thousands and thousands of patriotic Americans that risked their lives. And he is too. Nobody's denying he wasn't a great sniper. Nobody's denying he didn't do his job. I've never denied that from him or said that about him. He he may be the best. I don't know. I'll still put my money on Carlos Hathcock though, the Marine, as being the best sniper. Well, especially now. But uh but uh he he did his job and he did it well. But why did he have to take an old veteran? That would be like me taking a World War II guy and throwing him under the bus. Why the would he choose you? Because I had fame. He I think he got jealous that night we were at the bar because everyone crowded around and wanted their picture with me. Wow. I don't know. He'll never be around

43:15to answer it. I'd love to know why he picked out me. I think cuz I'm probably the most famous maybe or I developed to be the most famous seal other than Dick Mareno, the Rogue Warrior. Great books. Read his books. Well, he's a friend of mine, Richard Marceno. When you when you sat down and you're talking to this guy, how how much time were you actually in the room with him? Oh, couple of minutes was all the minute The minute he looked me in the eye and said, "I sure did hit you." I turned to the judge and said, "We got nothing more to talk about." You didn't want to. I I was I even offered him. I said, "If you will walk out to be with the press and admit you fabricated this story, I will forgive you in front of the press and we will go on with our lives. He would not do it. He did not have the courage to stand up and tell the truth. It takes a lot of courage to

44:09admit you lied about something that massive. I mean, this isn't lying about speeding, right? This is this is a massive massive What about ruining my life? Ruining my reputation? Ruining my wife's life. Ru I lost my conspiracy theory show because of it. Really? I can't get hired right now. I can't get a job. My last job was on the internet at Our TV because the owners Carlos Slim from Mexico. From that, you know who I'm hired? You know who I work for now? The Russians. Russian TV RTS. the only people that'll hire me because 34 media conglomerates entered this case to overturn me. You think they're going to hire me? Now explain that. Why do you think they did that? Do you think they did that because if they overturn your case, if they can somehow or another because they don't want to have to fact check. But is that it or is that discrediting you imp like that was a

45:05gigantic hit movie. But if they dis if they can discredit you, it makes that movie still valuable. Not only that, it stops me from running for president, though it can discredit me. Do you want to run for president? I thought about it. Even living in Mexico? Well, would you do it from Mexico? I would have had to have forsaken that. That's why I didn't do it. The the No, the uh the reason why you didn't run for president is because you would had to have forsaken living in Mexico. I would have you might win. I I know. I I think I could have won. No, the libertarians contacted me twice to come to their convention. They wanted to nominate me. Jesse, come back to America. And come and and I chose not to do it because I was up for the campaigning. I was up to taking on the Dems and Republics, but at this point at age 65, I wasn't up to do the job for 4 years where I'd have to end my lifestyle

45:58in Mexico. Cuz people don't realize when you take when you get one of them jobs like president or governor, your freedom leaves that day. You don't have freedom. You're 24/7. You're bodyguarded 24/7 every day. You have no freedom whatsoever. I couldn't go in 100% on that. And I felt that if I if I to go for president, you have to be 100% committed to do the job. If you're not, you're cheating yourself and you're cheating all the people that voted for you if you're not 100% committed. I could not reach 100%. So, I chose not to. So, is this because of your own personal feelings about living in Mexico and having freedom and relaxation and and and enjoying the quality of life? And also, I knew what would happen to me if I looked like I was going to win. I would be politically assassinated. They would pull up everything they could on me. You know, one of the things they missed, which I

46:56laugh about today when I ran for governor, they never found it out, and I've admitted it since, so it'll show up now, but they never found out cuz I'm sure they would have tried to use it, even though it's irrelevant, and if I'd have gone for president, they would have. You know what that is? What? I used to be sergeant-at-arms of the Mongols Motorcycle Club. Really? What does that mean? What's ser? The Mongols are I watch some one of those really terrible um news shows where they do reenactments of uh like Well, the Mongols are strong here in Southern California where the black and white were the ones that fought war with the What's the black and white? That's our colors. Oh, okay. The Angels are red and white. Oh. The Mongols are black and white. Did you guys have shootouts with the Angels occasionally? Yeah. Do you have one of those jackets? We're the

47:49We're the Yeah, I have that at home. No, I was an officer, so I was allowed to keep mine. So, what does that mean? Like, what did you guys do at that time? It was 1973. I rode Harley's and I was still in the Navy. I used to leave the base and put my colors on. But what like sergeant-at-arms? What does that mean? You had to carry guns. No, sergeant-at-arms. Fourth is the secretary. It's very militaristic. Nobody wants to be the secretary. Yeah, you do. That makes you an officer. No, but you keep track of all the money and stuff. But what the do you do? Like, do you just drive ride bikes and party? But why do you need all that uh those rankings and file and all that? Because because they're because it's a club. It's no it's it's like uh the the Elks. They have presidents of the Elks Club. They have presidents of whatever other stuff there is. But the Elks Club

48:46doesn't get in gang wars with uh the Moose Club. Well, you never know. You never know. They might get crazy. A turf war could happen. You know, like the Navy and the Army might do. Get out. The Elks in the Moose Club. And in my day, a lot of the outlaw bikers were former military. Yes. And that was a big thing with the Hell's Angels. People coming back from Viet. You wanted your camaraderie. You wanted a brotherhood. You wanted I did And they felt disenfranchised. Right. I I did it more for the adventure. I was getting out of the seals. I'd done two tours uh 17 months in Southeast Asia. I was going to transition into private life. I was riding a Harley. My two buddies that I'd ridden with a year earlier were now full patch Mongols when I came back from my second deployment. Let me uh let me pretend to be a douchebag politician running against you here. I would say,

49:37are you really prepared to have a former sergeant of arms from the Mongols motorcycle club running the United States of America? I don't think so, ladies and gentlemen. And I would counter that and say, "Nobody messes with the Mongols. Nobody will mess with the US." Well, that's um that's People do mess with the Mongols, though. And we don't really I would have to help you. Let's not do that. No, they don't. They do mess with the Mongols, right? Don't they have wars? Don't they have those guys have Don't they shoot it out in like Texas steakouses and Didn't they have like some big Ours was Hera's nightclub in uh in uh Nevada. When Oh, that was Yeah. When was that? That was back in O2. Yeah, but there was a big one a couple of years ago, right? Not with Not with us. Wasn't with the Mongols. With us. You're saying us like you're still with them, huh? Is it like

50:30a marine? You're a marine for life. That kind of thing. You got a card on you? What? He's going to pull out his goddamn Mongol card. I don't believe this. What do you got in there? He's got a wallet. He's going to pull out a Mongol card. Let's see. Right next to his Disneyland year pass. Well, let me see here. I got a Disneyland year pass. I got to find it now cuz I I tuck it away. No, I actually uh You have a card. I would think that you would need a tattoo. I would say a Listen, If you really want to be down for life, we're going to give you a tattoo. I already have a tattoo of the Mongols. No. What is it? Like a UDP tattoo? The seals. I have the the Budweiser Trident. And uh you try and find your Mongol card. How many of those cards you actually need? There's mine. And there's the card from Gio. The Hollywood press gave me his last time I saw him. Bam. Legit. Too legit to quit. That's

51:27hilarious. That is hilarious. And my name was I don't know what was your name. You find it on there. You never go by your real name. Superman. Superman. Super. Why' they call you Superman? Uh because I was in such a physical specimen that when I was prospecting, they make you do push-ups and stuff and I liked it. Oh, so this is back in the Jesse before the Jesse the Body Ventur. Oh, yeah. This is Dak when I was transitioning out of the SEALs into civilian life. And in fact, there's a good transition I can tell you about that shows how a book should do due diligence before they write something. There was a book written by William Queen, an ATF agent who infiltrated the Mongols. It's called Under and Alone. And he infiltrated them and put like 25 of them in prison. Well, in the book, they wrote that I was a former Governor Jesse Ventura, blah blah blah blah blah blah. Right?

52:28But you know what they did before the book was published? They sent me an entire copy of the book. They said, "Governor, please read this and if you have any problems, call us." So, I read the book. I didn't hide from the fact that I was in the Mongols. I never do. Uh, but I did want them to change something, and they did. When I called them, I said, "You stated the history of the Mongols that we started off like all white supremist outlaw motorcycle clubs." I said, "I would never join anything that was white supremist." I said, "To me, a biker is a lifestyle and the color of your skin has nothing to do with it." And I said, "And the Mongols were not white supremist." And she said to me, "Well, Governor, how can you prove that?" I started laughing. I said, "I think I can prove it easily." She goes, "Tell me." This the editor at Random House. I said, "At what time did

53:23Mexicans become white supremists?" Cuz I said, "The Mongols are 75% Latino Mexican. I was one of the few white guys who could ride into East LA and never be bothered because of my patch." Oh, so how can you call us what the Mongols started because they weren't Mexicans weren't allowed in the Hell's Angels? See, I knew like So the Mongols were the Mexican bikers started their own bike club because they weren't allowed to be angels and yet they allow white guys. But how did they miss that in in writing the book? That seems stupid. That seems any better. But that seems like a giant error. Like that's like a critical I had I had them pull out white supremacist. I said and she started laughing when I said, "Well, I've never met a Mexican white supremist. Have you?" She said, "No, I haven't either." I said, "Well, we're 75% Latino Mexican." She goes, "Really?" I said, "Yes." And I gave her

54:24the history. The Mongols started because the Hell's Angels wouldn't allow Mexicans. That's hilarious. And that's how the Mongols got started in 1970. because they're 75% Latino Mexican, but they didn't have the same you could be white, you know. I I was a minority in the Mongols. Now, was there crime involved in the Mongols? You were doing it. Like I told them, I was still in the Navy and they used to protect me whenever we'd have church. Church. Church, that's meeting. They called it church. M whenever we'd have church, uh, if it got to anything that was at all illegal, my press would send me out to watch the bikes. That's weird. Well, they knew. No, they knew I was in the military. I'd be bizarre to you. No, because I'd face double. I'd face military justice as well as civilian. A lot of these guys are old military. They did it to protect me. I appreciate that.

55:22But didn't it feel bizarre to you to be a part of a group that was probably doing some illegal No, because I thought at least I won't go to jail. They won't have nothing on me because I don't know nothing about it. And you didn't care. You You loved them no matter what. I loved riding. You should see when I'd get pulled over. We'd get pulled over by the CHP, California Highway Patrol back then. And I'd pull out my active duty military ID and they'd look at me and what are you doing with these guys? I said, they like to ride bikes. So do I. Can't you just ride a bike by yourself? No. No. Because cars have no respect for you. Oh, so you ride bikes. If you're riding If you're riding and looking like you showed what they up on the screen a little while ago, you think the cars are going to bother you? They're going to get the out of your way. That's right. Right. Oh,

56:09that's interesting. Well, there we are. Right there. Yeah. Wow. And do you still put on those jackets and still get on the Harley? Yeah, except it ain't a Harley. What do you ride now? I ride a custom chopper that I had built and it turned out there's not one Harley thing on it. I have an SS124 engine, which is bigger than anything Harley's got, V twin by SS out in Viola, Wisconsin. Uh, I have an SS 124 cubic inches. The biggest Harley, I think, is 102. So, do you drive this around Mexico? No, I drive it in Minnesota. Oh. And uh and I have uh it's a Rolling Thunder frame. Uh Arland Nest front end and primary cover. uh Revtec uh uh trans six-speed transmission, Kuryaken gears. Turned out when I built the whole chopper in the end, there wasn't one thing Harley on it. Is that good? I don't know. It's all custom made though. It's I and I put the old bar that goes way up. I made a

57:08I made a custom bike. Are you doing these things? The ape hangers. You do that? Yeah. Got the ape hangers and the above your shoulders. No, mine aren't that high. Mine are about right here. Right here seems logical. Yeah, that seems logical. These guys, this is ridiculous. Yeah. No, I don't go that high. That's ridiculous. I don't But I have an extended front end. Why do they do that though with the up up high handlebars, but you can't steer. Doesn't matter. It does. It does. If you have to get the out of something to an outlaw, not to us. I understand. To us, it's all about being a complicated man, Mr. Ventur. No, it's all about being cool. I get it. But you're a bunch of things. You're like bars. You don't have them today. The guys who built the bike didn't even know what they were. What's a bar? That's the bar that sticks up high in the back. Oh, okay. Well,

57:51bar. Yeah, that's they call it so you don't slide off the seat. Sissies, you you know that. But see, to me, I don't like saddle bags. So, a bar is the replacement. I'm going to bungee anything I need to take with me on the bar, like the sleeping bag and anything else you're taking. You bungee it to the bar for when you drive down the road, cuz I don't dig saddle bags. So, you'll drive down the road to go camping somewhere? No, I I rode actually I rode when I got out of office. I rode all over Minnesota flying my colors and no one even recognized me. You know why? Why? I went to a place I had a full beard after I taught at Harvard. And so Johnny Depp had come out in in Captain Jack Sparrow. So I went to a place with a picture and I says, "Can you make my beard look like that?" And they go, "Sure." So they braided my beard. I remember when you were doing

58:38that. So I had all the braids, right? Then they talked me into letting me put dreadlocks. They sewed them into my hair. So, and they dyed my hair jet black. I had dreadlocks to hear the thing like that. I rode one year after I was out of office. I drove all over Minnesota with dreadlocks to my shoulders, the beard, no helmet cuz we don't have a helmet law. And people were locking their doors. I had my colors on. And here I'm the governor. It was great. Never recognized. That is so never rec because I had dreadlocks. They gave me all the way to the shoulders. Now, why are you riding around with no helmet on? Why? Because you don't have to in Minnesota. Yeah, but why wouldn't you want to protect your head? Uh, I don't like helmets. I don't think they should be mandatory. I think something far more You know what I laugh at? What? When you see someone wearing a helmet and riding a bike with

59:32tennis shoes, it's far more important to have over the ankle boots as a biker than a helmet. Why is that? Your feet touch the ground. What's the what's going to stable you if you start sliding out your foot, right? Okay. You don't want tennis shoes. You want an over the ankle laced up boot. So, you're boot or something. Dump. You'll be able to protect your head. I don't know. But I I it's a choice of freedom. But what what about one of the little skull cap jammies that go like a hat? What if my What if my head starts itching? Jesus Christ. Scratch it. No. Then you got to rub the helmet. That's why when you see a biker rubbing his helmet, it's cuz his head's itching. Well, we'll just look at Let me put it to you this way and not worry about an itch. Wait, I'll accept helmets on motorcycles when they make people in convertibles that don't have roll bars

60:22have to wear them. I have a convertible that doesn't have a roll bar. Then you should have to wear a helmet. It's a good point. What if you roll that car and you don't have a helmet on? It's a very good point. There you go. I think about that. So, the day that you got to have a roll bar is the day I'll put the helmet on. All right, buddy. Relax. And I can't wait to see these women in Beverly Hills with their convertible Mercedes having to put helmets on. Well, those actually have roll bars built in. They pop up when one wheel goes off the ground, if you know about that. German engineering. Okay. Yeah, they're very They're on the ball. Well, I own Porsche. Porsche don't have it. What do you mean Porsche doesn't have it? What year? I got a 2000 and a 2003. Well, you So, you have a 996? No, I Well, I have a I have a Boxster S and I have the twin turbo.

61:09Okay. Well, that should have that built in. It should have it. So, when I'm a hard top, though. I'm a cool The boxer. No, the twin turbo is a hard top. Yeah. Right. Okay. That doesn't have a roll bar. Yeah. But you you have a Boxster. Yep. The Boxster should have something. It has something. Yeah. Because anything I think anything past the '9s that's a convertible has some sort of a built-in roll bar or some sort of reinforcement. I've never seen it. Yeah. Well, you haven't flipped it, but the new one's actually I'm getting rid of both of them. I'm going to a Tesla. Whoa, you're getting crazy. Going to Tesla. Yeah. Test drove a Tesla. It's unbelievable. Oh, they're amazing. Oh, yeah. And I want to feel young. It's a computer-driven car, no gas. That makes you feel young? Yeah, because I I grew up in the 60s with all the muscle cars and I never dreamed there'd be electric

61:57cars that can beat any combustible engine out there off the line cuz the Tesla can beat anything pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. My my twin turbo professionally driven will do 0 to 60 and 29. The Tesla does it in 26. Unprofessionally driven. Yeah. No, they're ridiculous. They're ridiculously fast. Yeah. It's You know what they call it? It's called the Ludicrous option. Mhm. He took it right out of Space Balls. Yeah. Ludicrous. The guy's got a sense of humor. He definitely does. A ludicrous option. But uh No. And see, I'm going to do my house in Minnesota totally solar. And I'm going to do it to where it's 105%. So that way I can also fill my cars up off the sun. So I will be completely off any type in my home or my cars will all be powered in Mexico and Minnesota by the sun, including my cars. That's awesome. as long as you don't have to go on a big road trip. Um, well,

62:52they now have it. It's all computerized to where you can show where you can charge up again. And they're getting 300 miles now to a charge. And you know what else is great about the Tesla? Well, it depends how you drive it. Yeah. You know what else is great is their warranty. 8 years unlimited mileage. And in that 8-year period, any improvements made to the car, you get free. So upgrades, like digital upgrades, anything. That's amazing. For eight years. So 8, you could own the Tesla for 8 years. I'm so I'm doing an ad for him. You could own a Tesla for 8 years and the car you own 8 years from now will be identical to whatever they're selling new. Yeah, I drove one uh for a day. There's a uh what is that company called? Skirt. Yeah, there's a company called Skirt and they it's like uh Uber for rentals. They deliver a rental. You drive it for a day. Yeah. Or what as

63:40long as you need it. And uh my issue was that the battery just ran out way too quick for me for what I do. I just do too much. See, for me it ain't because I live in Minnesota and I never drive over 100 miles in a day, right? Golf course ain't that far, right? I get it. No, for me in my life, I'm 65 now. I don't need to be tra I've never Do you know something that'll shock you? I've never owned a cell phone and I never will. Whoa. I was going to text you. I'm You can't. I don't have a cell phone. I've never used How come you don't have a cell phone for what? I like talking to people. Are you kidding? I was out in New York. I was out in New York doing this book tour and I forget I was at Sirius and we were in the green room and there were 10 people in that green room. Nine of the 10 sat there the whole time doing things with a phone. I was the only one who sat and looked around the

64:32room and watched nine other people zeroed in on a screen which if you count TV and that what we spending 16 hours a day now looking at screens I believe in evolution. What's that going to lead to? It's going to lead to some strange times for sure. Some strange people too. But wouldn't you rather just have it and have the discipline to not use it? No. No. Just number one, I never took typing. So if I'm going to send anything, it'll take me too long. Thumbs when I taught when I taught at Harvard. Uh I actually sent my only email there to a student because one email I sent a couple, but they actually taught me how to use the computer while I was at teaching at Harvard in my office. And I actually students would want to talk to me, so I'd have to line up a schedule. And I actually I sent an email to a student where I told him this is the first email Jesse Ventur's ever

65:33sent in his life. Do with it as you see fit. I'll bet you the students still got it. Knowing I have the first email Jesse Ventura ever sent. That's pretty. And when I left Harvard, there went the computer. I haven't done it since. You don't have a computer? My wife does. Wow. She does all that. I don't. So that's probably one of the main reasons why this whole Chris Kyle thing blew up and you had no idea about it. Like I was in Mexico. You're in Mexico. You don't have the internet. No, I have internet there. Yeah. That's how I learned. My son sent me an email telling me about what happened. So you have email? Yeah. And I have Skype. So I had to end up get through the satellite. I had to get my attorney to file the lawsuit immediately to stop him from from this story. But he they continued promoting it for another 6 months. In fact, you know how bad the

66:23book company did, Harper Collins, who's the same company that owns Fox News. They're all under the same umbrella. Harper Collins, if you would have typed my name in on the internet, would have immediately sent you to the Chris Kyle story. They did that to sell more books. Wow. See the conspiracy that I went against in this deal? Now I got to go through it again. Well, that's so long ago. It's so crazy that it's still going on. I mean, this is 2012, right? Yeah, it happened in 2012 and it it's now 2016. It's over four years. It'll be it'll be 5 years in January. How do you stay calm in all this? Does it has it the stress lessened at all or? No. What are the consequences for you if you lose? Uh, financially, it's cost me over a million dollars. Jesus Christ. No one. Well, I'm the plaintiff. No one pays for me. It's cost me over a million dollars. Four years of

67:21attorney fees and the courts and everything that's gone with it has cost me a million dollars to clear my name. Now, if I had done this, why would I do that? If it had happened, why would I spend a million dollars in court clearing my name? Has over time when more information has come out about the other things that he said that turned out to not be true, has public opinion sort of shift towards your way? It has now somewhat somewhat. But you still have these people who will acost me in hotels. It happened in Mexico, too. What happened? Well, a person came up to me in a hotel lobby and read me off. And what do you say? I say, but I didn't do it. And all I'm doing is seeking the truth. You don't believe in you're going after the family. So, it's that. Yeah. They think I'm going after the family, which the family isn't going to lose a nickel. I'm It's a big insurance company

68:16that I'm fighting. Hired. Anybody knows this that's read a written a book because in your contract it states if any lawsuits come of this nature, the publisher will handle it. Right. The publisher handles it. But there is there any consequences to the family where they don't profit as much because of the fact there's a lawsuit. The lawsuit cuts back on the profits for the book and the movie. No, because the insurance company will pay the whole lawsuit. It seems to me and they hire and they hire them before the book's ever even written, right? Error errors and omissions, right? Yeah. What? Yeah. Yeah. And so, no, it it won't affect anything. It the lawsuit itself won't affect the popularity of the book unless unless they find out he was a liar and don't choose to read his book. Because how I've never read his book. Why would I? He wrote a lie about me. How could I

69:06believe anything else in it? What a terrible position to be in. Oh, yeah. Especially when you're innocent. Not Not just innocent, but you are uh you lose lose either way. Unrespected celebrity in his 60s and this happens. This is It's kind of a crazy feeling. Yeah. Especially when you didn't do nothing. What else could you have done? I mean, it's almost like you have to go to court over this. I had to. I didn't have to. Such it was such an iconic movie and such an iconic thing. Have you ever talked to Bradley Cooper? No, I don't hold nothing against him. He's just an actor. Of course not. He's just an actor doing a job. Yeah. You know, my friend directed it. Clint Eastwood. He's a friend of mine. Jesus Christ. And what did you talk to Clint? No. Jesus. No. The whole thing is so up. It's just so crazy that you sat across the table from this guy and he tells you

69:58he did it. He tells you I did punch you. Yeah. And I know he didn't. And I know he didn't have the courage to face up to the truth or or mental capability of him wouldn't let him. I don't know what his problem was. Something wrong. Yeah. Something wrong. Some fuse blown. I don't know. I don't know. But why would you take one of your own and throw him under the bus? It would be like me doing it to a World War II guy. Just crazy, you know? And especially I I like to tell people, you know, remember us Vietnam veterans, we weren't cheered. We got blamed for the war. And which is a big part of what the Hell's Angels was all about, like trying to find camaraderie in another group. But we got blamed. Yeah. The politicians blamed us for the war, right? And the public sentiment here in that country at that time, we were baby killers. We were all these horrible, vile, you know, guys got

70:47spit on when they came home. And it was the first time in history, in the United States history, that veterans came back and were treated that way. Yep. Whereas every other, in fact, I will tell you this. For 10 years, I didn't even acknowledge I was a Vietnam vet. Wow. Because you didn't even acknowledge it. No one wanted to know you were. Nobody said welcome home to you. Nobody said thank you. These Iraq guys, they get parades for them. It's so so interesting because it seems like in that sense they got that right. At least at least it's not like the the way the Vietnam veterans were treated. But this this story just doesn't sit right with me. It's just it's horrible. It's so uncomfortable. Yeah. It's so uncomfortable because how would you like to have lived it for 5 years like I have? I couldn't imagine. But what's so uncomfortable about it is that I feel

71:42like the the sentiment behind the movie and the public's perception of the movie and the public's the public's love and gratitude towards him and the rest of the military was to me like an amazing moment in a lot of ways. It's like people people wanted to thank people. Let me let me give you a different perspective for a moment. Mhm. I talked about this on my internet show. Who's more powerful, God or government? Uh, government. You want to know why? Yeah. Well, God says something very simple. Thou shalt not kill. There's no asterisk by it. There's no except for this reason or that reason. It's simple. Thou shalt not kill. But yet, you can kill at the behest of government and it's okay. Yeah. It's super complicated. Okay, wait. And if you And if you kill a bunch of people at the behest of government, they make you a hero. Yet God says, "Thou shalt not

72:47kill. Yet if I kill a lot of people for the government, I'm a hero." How can that be? How can there be a double standard like that? that. So while it shows completely that government's more powerful than God because government allows you to kill when God says you can't and government rewards you for it and make gives you hero status for it and God doesn't do anything about it. It is pretty complicated thinking when God is a big part of the military. I mean, when the 911 happened, when the 911 attacks happened and uh George Bush on television said that God is with the troops, I mean, you know what the worst thing I ever heard him say when he was trumping up the Iraq war. I'll never forget it cuz I opposed the Iraq war before it even happened. I said, "This is ridiculous. Iraq didn't have nothing to do with 9/11. Why are we invading Iraq?" Well, I'll never forget Bush's

73:47press conference where he walked out and announced that he was sending in our military were going to attack Iraq. And he was getting ready to leave the stage and a final reporter asked him, "Mr. President, did you consult your father?" Meaning Bush Senior, because you know Bush Senior had the Kuwait Iraq thing happen during his watch. And I'll never forget George Bush turning around to the press and the American people smiling and going, "No, I consulted a higher father." I was sitting in my chair at home and almost fell out of it. I said, "This guy wants me to believe that he talked to God and God told him to invade Iraq." You're saying you consulted a higher father. your father. It's like going up to a rock and and asking the rock what you should do with your life. Like, you're not getting any answers back. Well, excuse me. And then I said, I've been on the earth as long as this guy.

74:47I'm twice the man George Bush is, and God ain't never said a word to me in my entire existence. Yet, this guy wants me to believe God talks to him. Yeah. They just let that go. If you just say to me, they just let that slide. He consulted God. He he consulted a higher father. We'll be right back. So in other words, he he wants us to believe that his invasion of Iraq had God's blessing and all the people of this country accept that. It's one of those convenient acknowledgements. And Jesse Ventur can say it cuz I've come out of the closet. You've come out of the closet for what? I'm an atheist. You're an atheist in that you don't believe in I don't believe in a higher. No. You ain't selling me on that. Do you believe the possibility of something happening when you die? No, you don't. You think if you die, you just go dark. I don't. That's a wrap. Yep. That's a wrap.

75:46H. There's no proof, right? That anything else happens. It's just a belief. And to me, I don't believe it because like I said, I've been on the planet 65 years now, and God's never spoke to me. Now, if I'm wrong, people say, "What if you're wrong?" I'll say, "Well, God made me with a brain to think, didn't he? He's going to condemn me because I used it." Well, religion in a sense is pretty ridiculous. The idea that God came to people a long time ago when they didn't even have books and told everybody about the world. Have you heard about everybody pass it down? Do you know about Horus? Sure. Well, Horus was an Egyptian god who has the identical same bio as Jesus only he predates him by a couple hundred years. So, who's the real one? They did this. They were both born of a virgin. They both walked on water allegedly. They both healed the sick. They both were

76:44crucified and buried, rose again from the dead. Jesus did it and so did Horus. Well, there's uh there's a ton of parallels throughout history. Well, and that's my point. That's why I'm not a believer. Well, I'm not a believer in anything that ancient people said about be communicating with higher powers and passing down laws that must be without a doubt followed. And some of them are ridiculous that you can't wear the same type of two different types of cloth. I mean, you can be put to death for wearing two different types of cloth. I mean, I don't know if people know that. Yeah, there's a lot of really goofy ones. Well, how about the story of who was the the gentleman in the Bible where he was bald and two children mocked him for his baldness. So, uh God sent two bears to attack the kids and maul them and kill them. That's in the Bible. Yeah, that's Old Testament stuff.

77:32Yeah. Make fun of a bald guy like you and me. Yeah. And a bear comes and kills kids. Where do you find Where do you find these bears? I'd like to locate them, but I mean I've sure been No, I've been made fun of enough. Can I have a couple of attack bears then? the next guy that makes fun of us. But this what a ridiculous thing to say and to put that in the Bible. Like the fact that two kids can make fun of you being bald and so God punishes those kids by having a bear attack them. Yeah. Like how about it doesn't bother you if you're bald? Like what kind of a are you? The little kids taunting you. How about the fact that they tell you that the world's only 5,000 years old? I think it's 10. 10. Whatever. 510. Whatever the hell it is. I don't keep track of it. But I mean, how ridiculous is that? Well, they've done it very scientifically. They counted up all the ages of all the

78:20people in the Bible. So, I don't know how you are arguing with this. It's a very accurate book. It's It's hilarious, too, that they'll say, "Well, that's Old Testament. You don't follow the Old Testament." Oh, so you want to follow the book that was written by Constantine and a bunch of bishops. Not only that, Constantine wasn't even a Christian until he was on his deathbed. Constantine converted when he was a dying old man. He wasn't a Christian through his entire reign. So there's hope for Jesse. Ah, hope for Jesse. I'll just follow Constantine. When I get to the dying bed, if I find out there's God, I'll see the light. Just hedge your bets. Yeah. Look, if there's no it's like like what Dan Bulzerian would say, you can't lose in this bet because if you're wrong and there is no God, like if you if you get to the deathbed and you convert to Christianity and you're

79:13wrong and there is no God, it doesn't matter anyway cuz it's all just darkness, right? You just go blank. But if you're right, you know, it's kind of like the Republicans and the Democrats. It's kind of like you filing your taxes January 28th. you slip in a couple days early. It's like the Republicans and the Democrats. How's that? Well, that they they when you go to their conventions, the lobbyists attend both and they pay off both sides. So, it doesn't matter who wins the presidency, they've already it'd be the equivalent of betting on the Super Bowl. If you bet on both teams, you don't lose, do you? Well, that's that's what the lobbyists do. They bet on both teams. So whether Hillary or Trump wins, they got their base covered. It don't matter to them. They've already paid them off. The only thing that really changes whether it's right to left is the the aspects of society that

80:09are affected by the social changes. Like Obama was much more lenient towards gay marriage, towards a lot of social issues. Yeah. But he was much more strict on putting us under more uh surveillance, which is a social issue. Uh so it it plays out the same way. He may have been lenient on certain social things and then more people are now in jail and look what he does to whistleblowers. Whistleblowers. Yeah, I was going to bring that. Destroys them. And uh so everybody that thinks Obama is kinder to the people on social, not really. It seems like it on on the surface when you look at his demeanor and the way he carries himself, but then when you look at his actual actions, presidential. Yes. Well, he's the most presidential president we've had in and I'll say this, he's the most dynamic speaker since Jack Kennedy. See, I don't think he's that dynamic

81:02anymore. I think Obama I think he's kind of beaten down by time. Yeah, but he's eight years in now and you've heard him long enough. But he is the most dynamic speaker since Yeah, but he's not the actions don't back the words. So the words like the words before he ran for when he was running for office, I was like, "Holy this is the guy. This is the guy." I mean, nothing. And the same thing's going to happen with Hillary. All the women out there that think, "Oh, we're going to get our first female president." Yes, you're going to get him, but it ain't going to be nothing different. You're going to get the same government completely because Hillary's a globalist. She supports all the global initiatives. She's also for war. The thing that troubles me when they attack Trump, and I'm not a Trump supporter, but Hillary, they claim Hillary has the experience, well, let's look at it. When

81:52she was a senator, the most important vote she took was to vote in the affirmative to invade Iraq. She now admits that was her biggest mistake. Excuse me, Madame Clinton. That was the most important vote and you blew it. Now you're going to have your finger on the button. What happens if you make the same mistake that you made with the war on Iraq, which you now admit was the worst vote you took as a senator, approving the Iraq war. And yet she took it, didn't she? She voted to the affirmative. Let's go to war with Iraq. Yeah. It's very troubling. the the momentum of influence of all these lobbyists and special interest groups and all the money that's behind her, all the bankers, all the the different people that are are paying her for these $250,000 an hour speeches. At what point in time do you gather up enough money where this doesn't make sense anymore?

82:49Will you start thinking about your children and your children's children and the future of the world? Or do you think that she thinks she's doing the right thing? She thinks she's doing the right thing. That's the system. That that's the system. You have to play within the system. The system they've created, the Democrats and Republicans, is a system based upon the concept of bribery. Now, if you do bribery in the private sector, you go to prison. But in the public sector, it's completely alive and well. That's why I don't trust any career politician because that means they're comfortable in a system of bribery, a corrupt system. And if they're comfortable to work in that corrupt system for all those years, that means they're corrupt, too. You could win. You know, you could be the president. You're one of the few independents that literally could win. I

83:37mean, especially now. Like, if you see what's going on now with Trump and the what I call grab the pussygate, if grab the gate doesn't get he's moved up in the polls. He's moved up since the first debate. This is madness. I mean, we're we're dealing with a mad mad world right now. Well, we're dealing with what I see in the United States today, at least a faction of it. We are going down the identical road of 1930s Germany. Look at what we're doing. We're marginalizing one group of people, the Mexicans. They're responsible for everything bad in the country, right? What did the Germans do? They did that with the Jews. They got all the other people angry at the Jews, all the Germans, so that they could ri Everything we're doing right now parallels 1930s Germany to a tea. You know what's really crazy? We're waging wars throughout the world. We're invading

84:37countries. Uh there I don't know if you know this, but there was a poll taken three years ago by Gallup and it never got any publicity here. international poll, 3,000 people I think and they posed the no Americans, nobody from the US, and they posed the question, if your country were to go to war today, who do you think it would likely be against? 23% answered the United States, 8% answered China, 6% said Pakistan. So, one out of four international people believe that if they go to war, the United States will be the adversary. As a veteran, I hang my head in shame over that. Run, Jesse, run. Too late. Come on, man. Too late. Why is it too late? You I have to wait till 2020 now. It's too late to get in this one. I'd had to go to the Libertarian thing. You got to have ballot access. Yeah, but 2020 is a good time. Well, Donald Trump's 70. Hillary 70. We'll get you on the juice. Well,

85:42I'll be almost up. We'll give you some of a healthy diet. I'm almost 70. And I never say never. You know, maybe when if Hillary wins and the women see there's no difference having a woman, as we learned, there's no difference having a black man in there. It's still business as usual. Uh maybe when they learn all that, if the revolution continues to happen, because you know, here's something interesting. The Bernie people and the original Trump people wanted the same thing. Yeah. They wanted this, but they couldn't come together because one's left ultra left, the other's ultraright. The the the the status quo is now using that to survive. They're keeping the revolutionaries separated so that they can survive with business as usual. Well, there's two completely different factions. one that wants to dissolve the system because he thinks it's corrupt, but he uses certain

86:36aspects of the system to make vast amounts of money. The other one doesn't really care about money and really thinks that people should make more money for their I mean, there's a lot of things that I agree with. Both agree to clean house. What we got now is a mess. Exactly. And clear the house out and start over. Both agree to that. Yeah. Well, that's one of the things that people support in Trump and they wish that he wasn't the guy he is. And so they try to pretend that he's someone other than who he is. I I really believe and I believe this if I would have gotten in the race and and gotten into the debates, I could have won. Oh, you definitely could have won. You're a way better speaker than either one of them. Well, and it isn't even it isn't even the speaker. It's I don't have the I don't have the baggage. Right. And and did you know here's some interesting

87:24things. The speaker aspect is a huge issue. I when I ran for governor, I only raised $300,000. That's it. Yeah. I made more money doing the job than what I spent to get it. That's the That's unprecedented. Yeah. That's why they don't That's why they don't want to talk about me. That's why they they want me gone. I've beaten them twice. Well, you're also an actual military veteran. You're also a man who's actually held office before and you're actually not a career politician, but you've done the job and you have a very good insight on what it's all about. You're also a conspiracy theorist, which is scares the out of them, right? Well, but let's remember they did a huge study in England and found that conspiracy theorists are generally more intelligent. Oh, you got to meet some of my friends. No, they're more intelligent because a monkey ranch right into that because because they

88:13don't accept things. They do their own personal studies before they bring up an opinion. Right. But then there's some flat earth people and chemtrail people and there's some wacky that gets thrown into the mix there, too. Dinosaurs aren't real. Yeah. But I'll tell you something. As crazy as some of them sound, sometimes after a few years go by, you start thinking, you know, they might be right. What do you think about people in on the moon? I think we were there. Okay. Yeah, absolutely. I do. Do you think any of the footage is fake? I'd like to not believe it is. I don't know. I've never studied it. I've never sat down and really hammered out. I was 18 years old. I just graduated from high school when allegedly you walked on the moon. That's the only I was far more concerned at that time of Woodstock and uh that also happened that year. The real issue with conspiracy theories is

89:09the absolute proven ones like Gulf of Tonkan which got us into the Vietnam War that you were part of. Like uh Operation Northwoods, which was signed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, vetoed by Kennedy, where they had planned attacks on Guantanamo Bay. They were going to arm Cuban friendlies to attack Guantanamo Bay, blame it on the Cubans, and let us go to war with Cuba. They were going to blow up a drone jetliner. They were fly a jetliner, blow it up, blame it on Cuba. They were going to do all these different things and after knowing all that. Yeah. I You also ought to include the murder of John Kennedy. Yeah. Well, because I don't buy I don't either. At all. At all. What they've told us. And let's bring in 9/11. Well, the murder of John Kennedy to me is first of all, there's so many aspects of it that people like to conveniently ignore like the magic bullet. Not not

89:57just the path cuz bullets take crazy paths. I'm sure you know that. Bullets I mean you can shoot someone in the front and the bullet will come out of their eyeballs. It does happen. It's things ricochet off bone. Weird happens. But a bullet does not go through bone and come out looking like that. And not only Not only that, it can't be bigger than it originally was. Exactly. There's more particles inside the body than are missing from the bullet itself. Exactly. So So the bullet can't get bigger than what it originally was. That bullet went through Kennedy, shattered bones in Conny's body, and came out looking pristine. Now I I've shot a lot of bullets. I I know what happens when you hit animals with bullets. When you hit bones, I have these two copper bullets from an elk I shot and they are up. Well, I'll I we recreated it on conspiracy theory and I couldn't make

90:44the shots and I'm an expert. Yeah. I mean, you couldn't The thing that was hard, you couldn't work that bolt quick enough. Like they they claim he got the shots off in like 6 seconds. Ridiculous. The fastest I could do it without even aiming was 7.8. Mhm. And that was not even taking an aim. Well, I think if the gun was lubed up well, if you practice really well, I don't have a problem with someone being able to do something extraordinarily quickly. Carlos couldn't the sniper. Carlos Hathcock, they recreated the whole thing for him and he couldn't make the shots and he's the greatest sniper in history and he even laughed about it and said, "You're going to tell me Oswald could outshoot me?" Isn't it possible that he got lucky? I mean, isn't it possible that he got lucky with one shot? the third shot. No. No. And why wouldn't you, like in Oliver's movie, why if you want it, why

91:37didn't you take it when he's coming at you? Mhm. Well, he couldn't get into that position. If it really was acting alone right there cars coming right at you before it makes the turn that way, if you miss, the next one's going to be closer. The weird thing is that they had to come up with a magic bullet theory to account for a bullet that hit the underpass and ricocheted off of the curb and hit a guy. Yeah. And because of that, that's why they had to account for one bullet doing all that damage. Interesting. I interviewed Mr. Newman and Mr. Newman's was the physical person closest to the fatal headsh shot. He's the guy you see who covers his kids in all the movies. That's Mr. Newman. And I asked him this a few years ago when I was doing the show. I met him there and interviewed. I said, "Where did you think the bullet came from?" He said, "Oh, it came from over my shoulder,

92:26which puts it right at the c" fence. cuz he was right down there and he said it came from over his right shoulder and he we had his FBI report there right one page and I said to Mr. Newman I said well Mr. Newman, when you stated it came over your shoulder, which put it at the grassy null, I said, "How did the Warren Commission respond to this?" You know what he said to me? He looked at me. He said, "I was never called in front of the Warren Commission." And I went, "You were the the closest living witness to the headshot, and they never even brought you in to ask you a question?" Nope. Why? because they saw his initial report didn't fit with what they were going to put out. So, they conveniently didn't call him in. There's also two different um accounts from the autopsy. Um the the Bethesda, Maryland version of the entrance wound on the neck. You know, they call it an entrance

93:24wound and the the Bethesda Maryland said it was a tracheotomy wound. I mean, they they changed it from a bullet hitting him in the front to a tra wound. Well, what's his name also changed it? Gerald Ford. Yeah. The back bullet. He moved it up. Yeah. Now, how do you do those things, you know? And then the other interesting thing was Harold Weisberg wrote about it in his great books, Whitewash. Harold, it took him 10 years to get the minutes of the Warren Commission. It came out that a Houston newspaper stated Oswald was a paid FBI informant. Had his number and the whole thing. So, the Warren Commission had to hold an emergency meeting and it took Harold 10 years to get the minutes because they withheld them. Now, you'd think they were meeting to discover and find out about this, right? Mhm. The whole minutes to the meeting had nothing to do with that. The minutes to the

94:17meeting dealt with completely how do we cover this up? Now, the guy who was the closest, how do we cover this up? It's pretty ridiculous. You know, the guy who is the closest to play devil's advocate, when when any sort of a chaotic event happens, your memory is usually up because you're dealing with adrenaline, especially someone that's not used to being in sort of combat type situations. Human memory is one of the most faulty pieces of evidence you could ever get. People remember all kinds of that isn't real. And if the story started getting out that there was people shooting from behind the grassy null, it's entirely possible that someone can fabricate something in their own mind and not even be deceptive. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. But if I would think that if you were there and you you heard the shot and you felt it go over your shoulder, I would think you if you

95:05told me if you Mr. Newman was in the military, I think. I don't know Mr. Newman. Yeah, I I never quizzed him on that, but I thought he was. But there there were other others too, not just him. Right. But you have to have there's a lot of witnesses who said that they s and in fact there's a photo where you see smoke going across the plaza right from the grassy null in the air. Have you ever seen Oh, did you ever read uh David Lifton's book best evidence? Yep. It's an amazing book. That was that was the book that got me on the conspiracy theor theory trail. But there was an analysis done. The one you need to read is Whitewash by Harold uh Weisberg. I'll read it this weekend. Whitewash. I'm I'm You got me fired up again. Um there was a um a crazy analysis of all the witnesses of the Kennedy assassination and how many of them died untimely deaths. And it is terrifying. Y

95:55if if if you haven't seen that, folks, Jamie, see if you could find that. Witnesses to the Kennedy assassination that died untimely deaths. I mean, but they did a statistical analysis of the odds of all these people getting murdered and uh just in random killings. Yeah. random murders and bizarre suicides. It's insane. Well, how about Dorothy Kilgallen, the great Washington reporter? She went out and got an interview with Jack Ruby. She came out of the interview stating, "I'm going to break the Kennedy case wide open. Got back to New York and they found her dead the next day." Her name is Dorothy Kellgallen. She's one of the most famous reporters in New York. And she got an interview with Jack Ruby and she came out of the interview and all she'd quote was, "I'm going to break the Kennedy case wide open." Yeah, I remember. And then and then she was found dead within a week. What's

96:49interesting too is this idea that Lee Harvey Oswald either acted alone or the government assassined. Do you know of Judith Barry Baker? Why do I know that name? Well, she was Oswald's girlfriend. Okay. in New Orleans and she's written a book called Lee and Me. Great book. Yeah. Where she talks, See, Lee was going to divorce his wife and her and Judith were going to get together. That's what she says. Uh lion skank. That's what she says. But it but it adds up because they weren't living together at that time. This is the uh all the different people that died untimely deaths. Y this is crazy. It's all heart attack. Uh Unknown. What do What do we got here? Drug overdose. Well, the one that's really the bad one is the guy who was in the tower there at the train thing. Suicide. Suicide. Suicide. That they found they found him dead. Minor accident. Minor accident. Dead. One car

97:49crashed. Dead. Heart attack. Heart attack. And these died quick. This is what's interesting. They all died within a very short amount of time. Gunshot wound to the head. Well, you know what Judith was involved in and Oswald? They were they were at uh New Orleans attempting to create a fastmoving cancer that Lee was supposed to deliver to Mexico City to try to kill Castro. A fastmoving cancer like And what killed Ruby? A fastmoving cancer. Yeah, I guess. And you know who's in charge of it all? That guy that's on all the New York or the New Orleans Saints football a who's the famous doctor? The Ashner Clinic. That's who Judy worked for. The cancer expert. They can give you cancer. No, they they were attempting to create a fastmoving cancer. And you think they give that to Jack Ruby? No. Yeah, because they were attempting to kill uh Castro with it. Now, do you think that Lee Harvey Oswald

98:45was involved? I think Lee Harvey Oswald was an undercover operative of our US intelligence agency. Yes. You think he was involved in the assassination attempt? Uh maybe. I I or he was involved or thought he was stopping it because Oswald loved Kennedy. The whole thing is just such a crazy story. Oswald liked Kennedy. He didn't dislike him. It's a crazy story. So why would he kill him? Yeah. And why would he use a weapon when you can get any weapon in Texas? Why would he use one that had a a paper trail on it? What's interesting to me about this story, too, Anyway, though, enough of Kennedy. I just want one thing is that it shows how uncomfortable people are with embracing the possibility of corruption to the extent where they would kill the president. It it shows me why Jesse Ventura at times is not popular. Why do you talk about yourself in the third person like Roy Jones?

99:43Uh because he is a third person. Cuz he is a third person. Jesse Ventur is not you. No. What? Who are you? That's my business. Oh, okay. You're Superman, right? Yeah. Anyway, uh uh no, what was that? Did your wife call you Superman or Jesse? She calls me Honey, usually. Oh, that's sweet. After 41 years, at least she's not swearing at me. There you go. Good job. You've done something right. Anyway, you lost my train of thought now where I was heading to. I forgot where I was going. Anyway, I don't I don't remember anyway. Yeah, doesn't matter. Um, do you partake of marijuana yourself? Only in Colorado. Only in Colorado. What about California? Only in Colorado. Look at this right here, buddy. I I might in California. This is uh This is liquid. It's a spray. Spray it under your tongue. Um this is liquid, too, but it's not as powerful. This one put you on Pluto. You got to be very

100:37careful with this one. The uh I've made some mistakes. I only I only uh uh partake where it's legal. It's legal here. No, it ain't only medical. I get your doctor, he'll be here in 5 minutes. Well, until you do until you do that, I don't I'm not legal. follow all the laws. We could do it online. I could do it online. Yeah, you can do it online now. You can do it online. Here, can you all I have to do is go just Well, I know how I could get it. You know how I could You know how I could do it. How I'm a veteran. I get I get dreams and I can't sleep at night. And well, also you've had hip replacement, right? Yep. Yeah. Well, there you go. That's That's I actually had the new technique though called hip resurfacing. So, what do they do there? Uh it was new at the time in '08. I learned it from a neighbor in Mexico who's a triathlete. Yeah. And he said, "All the triathletes that get hip

101:24trouble get this. The difference is they still cut you and they still dislocate your hip, but they don't cut the femur." Okay. They clean up the ball and socket, cover them with carbon titanium steel, and put you back together. Just like resurfacing the road, put a new layer of asphalt. So I my my femur bones completely intact. Oh, that's so much better. Way better. Less evasive. Way way way better. And so I I I actually now I do over a marathon a week on the elliptic machine every day. That's incredible. So it doesn't you don't have any pain at all from that. Wow. In fact, uh a week ago I did 41 miles that week. That's amazing. No no restricting of your movement. Nothing. Well, I I'm 65. When I sit down in a chair, I tighten up and when I get up, it's like you get aches and pains. Your back feels good in these. These are uh they're like really good contoured ergonomic chairs. For me,

102:16it also was I didn't learn till I got to Mexico with a physical therapist during my wrestling career. I had actually knocked my pelvis out of alignment. Oh, wow. And he said, "That's what's giving you your back trouble." So, he gave me a bunch of stretches to do where I got my pelvis back in alignment. And between that, and I'll make a plug here. Do you ever watch on TV those Teeter hangers? Yeah, they're phenomenal. Got them in the back. Oh, love them. They're a godsend. Yeah. I do it every day for 10 to 12 minutes. I hang upside down and I and I play golf. I haven't been back to the chiropractor in two years because of that. Yeah, they do. Every day. Every day at the end of my workout, I hang up and down like Dracula or like a bat. And you actually get so comfortable, you go into kind of a limbo, you know, where you you're almost it's a conscious thing. You're conscious, but

103:11you're not hanging upside down. Yeah. You're blacking out. Well, not blacking out. You're just so relaxed. Yeah. No, I do it all the time. Yeah. Oh, I I And I tell people this thing is a godsend. If he called me, I'd do ads for him. Well, it is a legitimate way to decompress your spine without machines. It's healthy. You can And people, you know, I talked to a doctor once said, "Your muscles are holding you in place. You're not." I'm like, "No, they're not. I relax my muscles. I know how to relax my muscles. I'm an athlete. I know. I know when my muscles are tense and when they're not. Like, you can absolutely get some relief and decompression of your spine. When I get full upside down, then I mentally go, "Okay, relax your feet." Yeah. Relax your ankles. And I I go through my whole body till I get all the way to the shoulders and the neck. I'm going to show you a machine that I

104:00have back there. And now the then when I hang, I'm totally relaxed. And sometimes you actually feel yourself slip right back in. And then you go, "Ah." I have one for my neck, too. Do you? Yeah. I have one uh It's like a harness. It straps to a door and I pull on it. Click, click, click, click, click, and I'm like literally hanging by my neck. It's a spinal decompression device. Now, that's not one of them sexual things, is it? No. And I'm not into that, man. No. Uh I had a bulging disc in my neck. Okay. And uh I relieved it that way. And it made a huge huge difference. Like I said, I I you know, I got the aches and pains of a 65year-old. I'd have I've had my hip done. I stopped running cuz my orthopedic surgeon says no one over 40 should cuz really the pounding. My friend's 49. He just ran 200 miles. The pounding ultramarathon. The pounding. Yeah. It ain't that he

104:51can't do it, but he's going to pay the price. Yeah. The pounding of his body like that. Like this Dr. Trudale told me today with the technology they got, you can run without pounding. Right. With elliptical machines. Yeah. He said it's the pounding. It's not that you can't do it. Anyone can do it and train. But he said the wear that that's going to cause on your body after age 40. And I have to agree. He's the preeminent orthopedic surgeon in the Mayo Clinic. Well, you know, there's also another issue and it's the creation of the running shoe because the running shoe having that big wedge in the heel, that's not a normal gate. The normal gate is you're supposed to land on the ball of your feet. If you watch little kids run, that's how they run. But when they created the running shoe, they allowed people to run and have all their weight come down on their heel and it

105:37acts as sort of like a little spring. But that's not normal. So it's your body has a natural spring built into it. It's the design of the foot. Or or you can do the natural way the seals do. How do they do it? You run in the sand. That's great, too. Yeah, that is the best way, right? And and even worse, when they take you in the soft sand, the dunes. Yeah. Oh, sand dune running is amazing. I uh I I there was an old chief there. We used to call him Superman. He was 41 years old when I was in the teams. 41. And the softer the sand, the faster he got. Oh, we used to call him the camel. That was his nickname. He was a chief, but we called him the camel because when we'd hit the soft sand running, normally in our team, he was probably in the top six in running. When we'd hit the soft sand, he was up first or second. Why is that? I don't know. He could just run in the soft sand

106:34and it didn't slow him down. Did he have like big wide flipper feet or something? No, he was actually a little wiry built guy. He also he he was able we had this big rope. He could wear a pair of twin 90 tanks for diving and he'd pull himself up to the top of this rope just using his hands. 90 lbs. No, these twin 90s. That's what they call them. How much those weigh? I don't know. But they're heavy. Wow. They're heavy as hell. They're the old twin 90 scuba tanks. They're big old metal tanks. Yeah. They weigh. And he used to go up that rope using just his hands. That's a strength. Wiry built. Not a big muscle guy. Just wiry built. We call we called him Superman. That was his nickname in the teams. He led PT every day. You do PT with him. It was like in training unit. Every set of push-ups, 50. Every time you do push-ups with him is 50. 50 a pop. And you probably do at least

107:3410 to 12 sets. That's great for tearing your shoulders. 600 push-ups a day. Then you'll do a thousand flutter kicks. What's a flutter kick? Lay on your back and flutter kick. That sounds like a good time. That along with running up sand dunes, that's a party. running sand doing the other thing in training they don't account for what you have to run to run every time you're moving in Bud's training you have to be running you have to run to run so you're running yeah like when you run out on the beach but you have to run to get there and then you have to run to get back ah those don't count when you do a four mile beach run it only counts on the beach it doesn't count the run to get there and the run to get back the run to the chow hall the run to to be where you when you're in Bud's training from the time you start in the morning till they secure you, you have to be running

108:29anytime you're moving. Oh Jesus. But you do it as the airborne shuffle. That's kind of that shuffle run. Uhhuh. Where you, you know, you're you're running but you're not really running. Kind of jogging. Yeah. You're just hustling. Yeah. They call it the airborne shuffle because that's what you do at jump school. What led you to want to write this book? This marijuana marijuana. the experience I had with the seizures. It that's what motivated me because I knew there's other people out there suffering. Our government should not be standing in the way and stopping people from using a plant that could help them. And it's time to end this ridiculous prohibition. My mother, who lived through the prohibition of alcohol, told me before she died, she said, "The war on drugs is identical to the prohibition of alcohol. All you're doing is making criminals rich and powerful. And it's also there's an

109:24industry in keeping people in jail. There's an industry in catching people and locking them up and losing your rights. Losing your rights, imprisoning people. And when you find out that there's prison guard unions that are lobbying to keep marijuana illegal so they have more work. Y it's terrible. It's horrible. It's horrible. And they don't think of it as horrible. That's you got to change perception. And you got the DEA who's out there making money off keeping it illegal. And you know what you're do? They're doing it to fight for their jobs. But I've already got another position for them. What? Let's end the war on drugs. Let's take the DEA and let's make the DEA do put as much effort into sexual crimes. Like what kind of sexual crimes? Molesting children. Uh, we just went through one in Minnesota, Jacob Wetling, where they finally caught his murderer,

110:16but he's not going to go to prison for murdering because he plea bargained. What happened? You know, the famous Jacob Wetling case where it happened way back 20ome years ago where he was him and his friends were going to the video store and a guy took him at gunpoint and he disappeared. The Minnesota Vikings wore his thing on their uniform and it was a whole national thing when Jacob Wedling was abducted. Well, they just discovered his dead body a month ago. Oh. Cuz they caught the guy who did it, but he wouldn't confess unless he got immunity. So, they had to give him immunity and then he led them to the body so they could get closure over 20ome years ago. So, he got immunity to that. But is he getting prosecuted for something else? He's getting prosecuted for child porn. That's it. Yep. Now, I say you take the DEA and you put them out catching child molesters

111:14and sexual predators. That would be a good job for them to do. It would be a good job for them to do, but I would have nearly as many people that are molesting children as are smoking pot. Well, the problem might be Wait, the problem might be they might have to investigate the Catholic Church, and that'd be off limits, wouldn't it? Well, how about that? You want a good one? Here's a good one. I love good ones. My club, the Mongols, we got busted for the federal RICO laws, right? How come they don't apply the Federal RICO laws to the Catholic Church? It's a good call. Yeah. How come they don't? Child molestation's a felony. They covered it up. They lied about it. They continue to do it. How come the church hasn't been investigated under the federal RICO laws and charged? Because they're the church, that's why. And you're not allowed to. Well, that's also why they hide them up in the

112:10Vatican because the Vatican is its own country. I don't know. I don't I'm not into all that. I'm just saying that how come the RICO laws don't apply to the child molestation that's gone on? Well, it's a very good point. It's a very good point. And when the when Pope Benedict resigned, that was uh one of the things that they were going after. They wanted to prosecute him for crimes against humanity because this guy was shielding child molesters. He shielded a child molester that went on to rape a hundred deaf kids. I mean, what in the I This guy targeted deaf children because they couldn't talk about it. And now they they stick them in the Vatican. And once you're in the Vatican, the Vatican is protected. It's literally got its own situation where it's like a country. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, I still don't think there's as many people doing that as there are selling and buying

112:57drugs. Maybe not. But what has what has the worst effect? 100%. I agree with you because I know people that were molested and never recovered from it. Their entire lives have been altered. Yeah. And it goes for generations because generally you find the molester was molested. Yeah. Always. Yeah. you know, usually that usually that's the situation. So, I would rather take our focus away from people doing consensual crime against themselves because addiction shouldn't be treated uh criminally. It should be treated medically. I mean, you can be addicted. I always like to use this for an example. Imagine tomorrow if they took away coffee and caffeine. Oh, yeah. We'd have rides on the streets. There you go. And those are all addicts. People addicted to it. What are you What are you trying to say, man? No, they're addicted to it. They're addicted to it. Well, they need to understand

113:57that. Then how dare them say you should take away a drug from someone else. Of course. Well, I don't they have they have their fix. Yeah. How come theirs is legal? I also don't think that we have to find jobs for people that are doing something that should be against the law. It should be against the law to arrest people for marijuana. You don't have to find jobs for people that are doing something that should be against the law. Arresting people for marijuana is a crime. And I've said this time and time again, but if you lock someone in a cage because they smoke a plant that makes them happy, you're a criminal. You're a criminal. You're you're doing a crime against human beings and freedom. Yep. And that's what you're participating in. So what the DEA is doing is a crime. I don't think we have to find jobs for criminals. I think the only thing that's saving them from being labeled as a

114:44criminal is some that's written down on paper by a bunch of people that are profiting from keeping it in that same way. It's a crime. It's all a crime. And there's nothing zero zilch when it comes to the when you're talking about the like side effects or the negative effects of cannabis. There's nothing there's zero. There's no evidence. I agree. And if there was, they would parade it out there. And even if they did parade it out there, what we're finding time and time again, the most recent story that was in the New York Times about the sugar industry paying off scientists to say that sugar is okay for you, but it's saturated fat. Saturated fat, which is so important that it's one of the main substrates for creating sex hormones. It's one of the most important parts of human diet. That saturated fat is bad and that's what's giving people heart attacks. Meanwhile,

115:28people are getting fat as from sugar. I I love to talk about this uh which came to light to me 10 years ago. Uh I grew up in the 50s when they put fluoride in our water. Yeah. And wait and they put it in there for our teeth. Well, isn't that your parents' job to teach you how to brush your teeth and gargo with fluoridated mouthwash? Is there any benefit of fluoride? Wait, why would you put a chemical in the water? Yeah, there's a benefit. I'll explain it. Who who do you think was the first people to put fluoride in water? The Nazis. Yep. Now, why did they do that? Now, first of all, I'd question anything the Nazis did right away. I'd say, well, gee, they don't have really people in mind, do they? They were really good at making engines. Well, that they were, but uh that No, they did it because fluoride is the major ingredient of Prozac. So you think that well if you drink

116:24water you're getting a daily dose your daily dose of Prozac why why why would the Nazis do it? What would be the only reason to make the people docil? But did they do it in a large scale fashion or they do it as an experiment? Because they did a lot of up experiments. Well, no. They put it in their water. Germany was the first country that put fluoride in the water under the Nazi rule. And did they and then we picked it up? Well, for their teeth, I guess that was why they did it. I don't know. But uh that's what we sold our people. I remember. And and here did you see the movie Fargo? Yes. Remember the town Brainer? Yes. Well, Brainer, Minnesota about 30 years ago. I remember it. They voted they did not want fluoride in their water. They weren't going to put it in. Federal government came in and made them. And why do you think they did that? Is the fluoride industry paying them off? I

117:20don't know. Because they want to get rid of Why would the federal government come into a city who their own water supply and force them to put fluoride in the water? Well, do you think they did it because the fluoride industry paid them off because they didn't want to lose profits? It doesn't make sense really. Or or did they not want an example that you can have water without fluoride? It's possible. But if they really wanted to protect people from wouldn't they go after sugar or or is it like Vince McMahon? He fired me because I wouldn't relinquish my copyrighted name so he could exploit it. I owned it and I refused to give it up. The copyrighted name Jesse the Body Ventura. I had it before I worked for them and I copyrighted it federally so that I would own it and I wouldn't release it to him. And that's what ended up getting me fired in the end where I had to leave the

118:17WWF because uh he he had to control all of the marketing of all before WWE. Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean I don't know why fluoride is in the water. I've looked at it very peripherally. No reason for it really. They tell you it's for your teeth, but shouldn't you do that yourself? Well, not my thinking is if they really were concerned about people's teeth and people's health, wouldn't they look at all the different kinds of sugar that we're consuming? All the corn syrup in people's diet, all the sugar in Well, that should tell you the fluoride's there for another reason then. So, you think there's a largecale organized conspiracy to keep people docile by putting Florida in the water? I don't know if it's a largecale conspiracy or if it was just done and it's too difficult to unchange it. See, once government gets established doing something and it's done for decades,

119:12it's very hard to get them to change their position. And is it in some ways a lot like the DEA in that once fluoride is a business? There's a business in selling fluoride, putting fluoride in the water. There's people that have jobs that are doing that. They lobby to keep that in place. And what evidence is there that fluoride's beneficial? Is there any evidence? I don't know. You don't know? But well, if you know about this, why don't you look into that? Because I don't drink fluoridated water, so it doesn't affect Mexico doesn't have fluid. You drink out of a well? Yeah. And and in all my homes, see, I only learned of this a decade ago, but ironically, all the homes I've lived in have been kind of rural, and I've had my own well. All your life? Pretty much. Other than when I grew up as a kid. Maybe that's why you're so rebellious. You didn't get your dose of fluoride.

119:59Exactly. That's why I ask questions of stuff. I haven't been I haven't been uh Prozac aided. I I'm not on the Prozac. Well, it didn't work with me cuz I' I've drank a lot of fluorideed water. I'm Well, maybe your constitution's different than mine. I don't know. Maybe I'm just better. They say it calcifies your pineal gland. But the people that say that, they all smell they all smell like like natural deodorant and feet. Those Like I said, it uh you know that Brainer tried to do it and the federal government came in and just slapped them down. It didn't matter that people voted. Didn't matter nothing. Federal government came in and said, "You will have fluoride in your water." What year was this? I think it was back in about the 80s. I wonder if that would fly today because people today are so concerned with genetically modified foods and horrible. Well, I think it

120:48would I think they'd still do it today because you still got it. Nobody's ever said nothing like, "Why don't we remove fluoride from the water?" Yeah. I don't I don't know. I mean, nobody nobody brings it up. Yeah. I don't even know if fluoride is beneficial in toothpaste. There's a lot of people that don't believe fluoride should be in toothpaste. They think that the cleaning of your teeth is really what gets the the the plaque. Who knows? Yeah. Who knows? But someone must know. That's the major It's the major ingredient of Prozac. I'm going to go looking into that now. God damn it. Another rabbit hole. I got to read whitewash. I got to go down a Prozac rabbit hole. Prozac fluoride rabbit hole. Fluoride. Just fl But there when you think about it, why would they put it for your teeth? Your parents do that. They teach you how to brush your teeth and use mouthwash. Why would you put a

121:37chemical in the water? That's a good point. Why would a chemical be introduced into clean drinking water? Well, not only that, there's a lot of people that don't even drink water from the faucet anymore. You know, a lot of people use the faucet water for bathing and cooking and they drink bottled water. Yeah. Well, that's another scam they pulled on us. The bottled water scam. Yeah, completely. I did it in conspiracy theory. We went up to Michigan where Nestle is. Yeah. They they take water. Well, the law says you cannot take water from the Great Lakes, right? And the Great Lakes region is 20% of the fresh water of the world. So Nestle goes up there and builds a million square foot plant. The thing's huge. It's bigger than our dome stadium for the Vikings. They got this huge plant up there and all they do is they punch in at a tributary. So, they're

122:26technically not taking it from the Great Lakes. They're taking it before it gets there. The Great Lakes have now fallen. They're 6 in lower than they used to be. And I was taken to a stream that used to have white water rafting. It now does. It's dead water just because of Nestle. Yeah. They're sucking it all out of the ground before it can get to the Great Lakes and they're putting it in plastic bottles and selling it to you more expensive than gas. Oh, it is because bottled water costs more than gas. And imagine if you've got a company and you sell a product that's free and you and you don't have to do nothing to it but put it into a bottle and sell it for more than gas cuz they persuaded us it was the only way to consume water. Like when I was a kid, you'd go to the schoolyard and play football all day. On the way home, you'd run up to somebody's hose. You'd turn it on and everybody

123:20would drink out of the hose. We didn't die. Nobody got sick. We survived. Yet all of a sudden, here came bottle. Water had to be bottled. And it was a whole thing they did on people. The only pure clear water you're going to get comes from a bottle. Well, it ain't. They're pumping it out of the ground the same way as they pump anything else out of the ground. They're just putting it into a bottle and selling it to you for more than gasoline. Your friend is interrupting here. What would you like? I got to go. This is the reason why I don't let people in the studio, Jesse. Yeah, but I I got I know you do. You have a heart out at 1:15. Um, your book, it's available now. Marijuana came out, I think, on the 6th. And you're going to be at Barnes & Noble in Santa Monica today. Tonight at 7:30. At 7:30. And people can come meet you and and explain to you why fluoride is in the water.

124:13They're going to go crazy. Yeah. They can do all that stuff and we can talk and visit and uh I'll weave a few stories in and uh like every the only thing I worry about every book signing I do. I get pleads from people on why I'm not running. Well, I'm pleading. I'm pleading. Look, somebody needs to run that's not corrupted by the system. And I don't think you're corrupted by the system. And there's only me. Yeah. Well, I think there's probably a few other people that are thinking right now, but they don't want this. As I said, I only raised 300,000 bucks to become the governor of Minnesota, right? But that's Minnesota. I mean, I think my dog might be able to win government. Not really because the Dems and Republic spent 12 million that year. Well, yeah, they spent 12 million. But you're Jesse Ventur. 300,000. Yeah, but I had to go through the media of of them uh

125:05degrading me. How could a wrestler be a governor, right? How how could how could somebody from the private sector who's never come up through the corrupt system be expected to govern? But also, don't you think it helps that you have an awesome Minnesota accent? I don't know if I do or not. You definitely do. Oh, I don't know that. If you My friend Rand Carlson, if you're from Minnesota, you don't know it. My friend Randlson, being from Alabama, you don't have a you don't have an accent if you're from Alabama. They have to know. They have to know. My friend Randall Carlson sounds exactly like you and he's from Minnesota. Exactly. You have a very clear Minnesota accent. Yeah, we have it. And uh you know, I'm born and raised there, but I don't know how to skate. You don't have a skate? I don't either. Good for you. I'm down. Well, I I I did it because I I

125:51in the winter I swam. We have a lot in common, you and me. We both like fanny packs. We both don't know how to skate. We both like pot. I was a swimmer. I could swim. Yeah. No, I did it then. But I mean all winter and all summer. I was competing. My claim to fame, I actually swam in the same pool once with Mark Spitz. That's big was for me cuz as a swimmer, he was god of our era. And along came Phelps, who I never thought could win another more medals than Mark did. Another guy who likes pot. Yeah, remember that? He got shamed. They pot shamed him. Do you know what I would have did if I'd have been him and they did that to me? What would you have done? I would have immediately moved to Australia, applied for Australian citizenship, and I would have came back and beat the United States if they'd have prosecuted me for the pot. Yeah, but they weren't prosecuting him. They

126:39were just They thought about it. Did they really? Yes. Who thought about prosecuting him? Yeah, it went on. Was it? Oh, that's right. Wasn't it in like South Carolina or something? But uh but all I know is if I'd have been Phelps, I would have moved to Australia. had applied for Australian citizenship and I would have come back and swam against the United States and say stick that up your ass. Oh, that's very rude of you. You're a renegade. No, it ain't. It's very rude of them. After winning those medals, don't you think he earned a joint? I do. I do. And you do as well. Yeah%. They wouldn't have said nothing if he'd have guzzled a bottle of beer. I want to find out who the narked on him. We should make that public. Whoever that is that took the picture of Phelps eight arrested in Michael Phelps case. What? Yeah. People were arrested that had pot that gave him

127:29pot. Oh, Jesus Christ. Did you see that thing about the woman in in uh Western Massachusetts or near Amherst? She's an old lady and she grew her own medical marijuana. Her son was in the house and a SWAT team showed up guns blazing for one plant. One plant in this woman's backyard. That's how ridiculous these laws are. I'll tell you how ridiculous they are. When I was governor, and we'll finish with this. When I was governor, we had a three panel. Myself, Kathleen Blatz, who was head of the Minnesota Supreme Court, and the attorney general. The three of us were the pardon board where we could sponge records, right? And I was glad they thought like me because everybody that came to us that had a marijuana conviction of 10, 20 years ago, we cleaned it off. And one of them I'll always remember, wait till you hear this story. This guy when he sat down in front of us, the first thing I did, I

128:27looked at him. I said, "How are you and your sister getting along?" And he smiled at me. He says, "We're okay." I said, "Okay." I just wanted to check. You know what happened to this guy? He was 18 years old at home. His little sister was going to dare at the time. You know that dare class? Well, they teach you at dare to turn everyone in, to rat everybody, turn them in. So, this guy's got a bag of weed in his bedroom. His little sister sees it, calls the police. The police come. She's there to let him in so they don't need a warrant. And they go bust her brother. She ends up her brother and her brother now has had this on his record for 20 freaking years. A marijuana bust that his sister turned him over on because she was at DARE and Dare said you rat everybody. So the sister thinks she's doing the right thing. Puts her brother in jail for having a bag of weed in his

129:30bedroom. So sad. And and that's why I asked him, "How are you and your sister getting along?" He said, "We're fine." And I said, "And we cleaned his record. We wiped it right off of there." Now, who I wouldn't do that for? Child molesters who came in. Uh-uh. I had a girl there who came to testify against this guy so we wouldn't do it. I called her up to me and I said, "Young lady, you don't have to come back here anymore because as long as I'm the governor of Minnesota, this guy will never ever get his record cleaned. You don't have to worry about that. Go home with a clear conscience. You don't have to come back here. It's not going to happen." Because all of them child molesters reaffend. That's why they want their record cleaned off so that they can get in a position of being a predator again and reaffend again. And and they bring in they bring in people from the clergy to

130:29testify for them and all. They've joined the church now. They that they do all of this stuff. They ain't pulling that smoke on me. To me, a child molester, it's a they can never be cured. Jesse Ventur for president 2020. Make it happen, folks. 2016 is a wash. We're either way. Hang in there for four years. Four years. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. If it ends up that bad, I promise you I will run in 2020. Jesse Ventur for president. Meet him tonight. Santa Monica, Barnes & Noble, 7:30. Thank you, sir. I had a great time. My pleasure. Fun to talk with you. And I'll tell you why else.