Adam Greentree

00:00or with my 5 4 3 2 1 now most people in America consider Calabasas to be one of the safest places that's where the Kardashians chose to live not Adam Green Tree not Adam Green Tree lives in Australia surrounded by brown snakes which kill you like instantly right instantly Qui yeah pretty quick bunch of how many spiders you have that'll kill you instantly like a ton of 100 right you got crocodiles you you've bathed I've saw the the video of you and cam hannes in a puddle that crocodiles swim around in that might have been my idea too but yet the one day he's in Cal basas which was like the safest place in America un true but yep going well tell me what happened well so I hopped out of the hotel first thing this morning they go try and find a decent coffee here in America and uh there's police around in the whole the whole area where the the coffee shop was and um they had guns drawn and

01:02everything and then I heard later that someone actually had a gun out and there might have even been shots fired yeah crazy stuff and then I'm like at a coffee bean yeah yeah it was had a coffee bean yeah yeah find out what happened Jamie see if this's a story we can I I said it was probably like some wife mad at her husband yeah same more serious called in the police he's got a gun like that that's happened before that happened with uh Ron White I think his girlfriend packed a gun in his luggage and then that happened with Sam Kennison too his girlfriend packed a loaded gun in his luggage and then called the police on him oh that's crazy but straight away I'm like it's safer in the mountains with the grizzly bears and crap well yes and no definitely is definitely not safer if you actually run into a grizzly bear but for the most part it's pretty peaceful right yeah most people

01:53are worried about grizzly bears but you could be around them for days and days and most likely nothing's going to happen most L most likely but when you when you were up there did you run into some wolves yeah we seen uh well I seen wolves and then the grizzly bear is the one that sort of really scared me um I had a handgun out and I actually had to draw that handgun a few times while I was up in the mountains yeah there was one real big Grizzly like size 11 boots that um come in around camp and was hunting all the trails around size 11 boots so it's like a 12T a 12 in pad yeah oh my God how big do you think it was did you see actual bear itself yeah so once I actually killed the bull which was about day 10 or 11 he was sleeping on the carcass about 60 M from it he was sleeping on your carcass yeah and then he slept on did he eat some of it he didn't touch it what yeah it was like

02:46the first day so so I killed that bull in the afternoon uh packed out a decent load of meat that night went back in the first morning the next morning to pack out the rest of the meat and was going in there looking thinking there could be a bear on the carcass and sure enough I seen a bit of brown hair in the creek bottom so he's just sleeping on just sleeping there and so I yelled at him he pricked his ears up and had a look around I yelled at him the second time and he jumped up and he disappeared like that like scary that's how quick he this is thick Timber a lot of dead fall and everything and he just disappeared through that and it actually got me thinking that if you didn't see a bear coming from a distance handgun bear spray whatever you've got you'd be in serious trouble because he just left that scene dead quiet and in a Flash they can move so fast and those pads

03:36that they have on the bottoms of their feet it makes them so silent quiet yeah yeah and you would think that an you know thousand PB animal wouldn't be able to move that quick so I'm strapping meat to my pack uh obviously there's always a blind spot when you're hunched over and it I reckon it took me three times longer to get the meat on me pack cuz I was just constantly looking over waiting for that bear to come back cuz I haven't actually been to the carcass again yet I've seen the bear on the way back in pretty scary how big was it giant big like 11 ft tall something 11et tall yeah scary and you're alone deep deep deep deep deep into hunt I was talking to the fishing game warden in the area and a big Grizzly had gone into another Hunters camp on the mountain and just absolutely destroyed his camp now I don't know if it was the same bear or a different bear but on three occasions uh

04:29big ground bear or Grizzly come back into my camp and each night that he'd come in he'd get a little bit closer so the first night he circled Camp about 5060 M away the next night he C cired Camp about 30 m away and the third time he came in he come right into the back of camp like 15 M away let out this gnarly growl and at this point my buddy Grant Hughes come in to help me pack out some meat he's in his tent I'm in my tent when this you hear this bear walking in through the snow and let's out a growl I didn't want to go like Grant did you hear that or Grant there's a bear in Camp I I didn't want to let the bear know that I'm in the tent man I just laid there dead quiet I had the handgun sitting on my chest loaded ready to go and um I I laid awake for like 3 hours like you heard the bear walk off and I laid awake for 3 hours and I get up in the morning I'm D I'm

05:19like dude did you hear that bear and he's like did I hear the bear holy dude I didn't want to move or make a sound he had the same idea as me didn't want to give away his location and I'm like yeah it's like took me 3 hours to get to s s and he's like sleep you got sleep what the he was like hell pissed off man he laid awake all night like a tent burrito you're a human human burrito you're even staying warm in your sleeping bag you know like he's got to be able to smell you too they must know you're in there yeah but I wonder if if they were be well if they smell you and then they smell the meat what they would be more attracted to don't know I don't reckon I smell real good so hopefully the meat I bet they like things that don't smell good though they probably do yeah meat was hanging up probably a good mile from camp at like cuz we had a few different drop

06:04points cuz it was such a it was 4 days hike out with meat so we had different drop points along the way and I never wanted to take any meat in the camp except for what I'd be eating each night which cooked meat might smell pretty good to a bear but I was more concerned about the scent that we would be carrying on our boots from meat site to meat site and then walking back into camp but that bear had already been in the camp he he knew where we were and he was doing his rounds obviously every night have you done an adventure like this before this is an epic adventure cuz you went to Montana you you know you parked and then how many miles did you go deep into the woods it was probably about 12 miles in the end that's no Trails or anything like that 12 miles in 12 miles into Montana I mean that is Montana is if you if folks have never visited Montana is one of the most

06:50unspoiled parts of America like below Alaska but not far below it you're so you're already super remote like we're already a long way from anywhere and parked at a trail head and then so obviously I I had 11 days solo by myself and then my buddy Grant come in to help me pack that bull out end up being 14 days in the end by the time we got the meat out wow yeah it's cool I've done done similar Adventures because a lot of home back home in Australia is all super remote so um 90% of it back country really back home um but it's a different kind of back country when you different sort of back bears yeah it definitely is this was solo minimal gear because everything's in your backpack that you've got for the hunt um so it's super light and you're cutting down on a lot of Essentials that you need you know just just to get back in there how when you do this I've been obsessed with uh

07:45lightweight backpacking lately I've been I've been paying attention to um these guys that do the Appalachian Trail y did they hike from Georgia all the way up to Maine it takes 5 months that's insane insane but it's one of those things there's a real problem with the human brain it's like we were talking about our pal cam Hanes in this uh 200 mile run he just did and when when there's a challenge in front of you and you find out that someone has done it before you start going man maybe I could do 200 miles he like there's something up about people's brains where when you find that someone's doing something like I have zero desire to take five months out of my life and walk from Georgia to Maine yeah but I bet you once you got it done that's the difference well part of my brain was like hm I I started thinking about it and I'm like shut up stupid you're not hiking to

08:35Maine stop it but part of me was like listening to this guy um it was on uh the rich Outdoors you've done Rich's podcast for it's his podcast one of his buddies is a uh a trail guy and they were talking about like lightweight gear and how they C they pack the difference between What A guy uses for hunting what someone uses for uh like just these long long long long hikes where they essentially wear the same cloes clothes for 5 months that sounds hygienic yeah it doesn't well I mean I guess maybe get a chance occasionally to wash them somewhere but they everything is like the lightest possible stuff that you could have and what when you do this so if you're going to go out there and you're you know you're planning on how many days 15 I wanted to do at least half the month in Montana and I wanted to do the other half of the month in Idaho so 15 days and a little bit of the

09:28Trip's to be unprepared in a sense when you're doing 15 days it that sort of hunt because the the country is like straight up and down there's there's no other way to do it there's no I'm going to drive to the ridgel line or I'm going to walk a decent Trail to that ridgel line or take an ATV and it's just all on foot straight up and down country so and and to have a little bit of roughness to a trip like that you know where you you are roughing it that's that's a bit of the appeal as well you know and the experience in doing it so um I was just talking with with the guys at Hoy and they were asking um what's the essentials that you had in your pack that you wouldn't go without and I'm like well how about I tell you about the stuff that I wish I had in my pack and that I didn't go without out like what stuff do you wish I I didn't take any rain gear in what I didn't take any rain

10:15gear in and I didn't check the weather before I went in deliberately cuz I didn't want any deterrent on the trip like oh it's going to snow or it's going to hail or there's going to be go force winds I shouldn't go in today or I should pack this extra I just I wanted to ignore or all that just go in just live in the wilderness basically with the minimal and um I got all that weather I got hail three times I got gale force winds I got rain followed by snow so soak and wet then freeze and cold and you just had to stay active the whole time like i' I'd literally get to a mountain and I'd sit down for 2 minutes and you'd go from to sweating to freezing cold because you're wet and actually hike the mountain just to get warm were you wearing wool no all synthetics so synthetics in some in some cases it's uh harder to maintain your body temperature when when you sweat

11:11there's pros and perks to both yeah so like I've got a synthetic sleeping bag as well it weighs a little bit more but I could jump in that sleeping bag wet at night and wake up in the morning dry that's that's a little bit of the difference and it will dry out the next day and uh it doesn't get never car any weight your synthetics so I just had like a small hoodie a little hoodie and I had some undergarments and that was about it for the whole trip but as far as like sweating and your clothes and getting your stuff wet will maintains body temperature better it does yeah yeah it does NEX of skin is really good so like under AR has got some really good NEX of skin clothing and I'll get wet in that next to skin clothing and stay warm because it is it's it's similar to a wet suit you know wet suits designed to have um some liquid in it and the liquid gets warm and keeps your

12:02body warm that next to skin clothing is the same where it's sitting right on your skin and it's going to stay warm like that so is it like a spandex almost or something yeah yeah it is yeah yeah it looks um bit pansy when you're walking around like a superhero yeah like Robin OD and tights so so that was a up right you should have probably brought some rain gear well I don't want to call it a up because I delber deliberately done it right um to keep weight down so it's like how much weight is it like a lightweight rain Poncho um I don't want to know few let's just say it was really heavy and I couldn't carry it it seems like it's not that heavy yeah but where do you stop where do you stop dude you know it's just that is the big question right yeah it's it's where do you stop and I was already hiking in going this is killer like this is hurting um how heavy was your

12:49pack yeah I don't get into that sort of stuff you don't wear it no I don't weigh it I don't yeah the food I'll just go there's a dinner there's there's some lunchtime snacks there's some energy and that it if you go in for 15 days how many days wereth the food do you carry I only took in 10 cuz I was confident of killing a bull I was yeah exactly and um I didn't run out cuz I shot a grass and I cooked the grass up then I killed my bll and I was eating meat and I was even cooking meat and then packing it the next day to eat cold which obviously helped and it's a have you heard this story about me and cam going on the the Aram land trip in the nor territory not packing any food people haven't heard he hates me well you this is most ridiculous thing ever cuz you guys had to filter Buffalo piss water cuz Buffalo it still tastes like piss the color went out of

13:44it but it had the same taste had the same smell and my question is if the water's filtered shouldn't the smell leave it yes it should shouldn't it yeah you're drinking piss you're drinking piss basically for sure for sure you guys drank I bet you it's got hell awesome energy in it though cuz of Buffalo yeah I supp why don't you just suck a buffalo's dick you feel even better about yourself what energy I have this is amazing I don't know why you would think you get pissed to do it first at least I told him to drink the water first yeah yeah he can test it he's fine well they have those crazy filtration systems where you like a gravity filters is that what you used yeah so I took one of those in the mountains on this trip as well I I never pulled it out and never used it once cuz I was always drinking water from the high Source like directly where it's coming out of the mountain mhm and if

14:32you do that you're okay you don't have to worry about I know I don't want to say yes because everyone go and do it and get sick sue my ass but I've never I've always had an iron stomach and I think it's from just doing all that sort of stuff as a kid you you s of grow with that and I think your body's your body creates its own defense against against things like that a massive believer in that actually it's the same with being dirty you know like like personal hygiene obviously a big thing but um you know I'll eat a I'll eat a chocolate bar with with elk blood all over my hands after skin and or or deboning an elk and I think that's perfectly natural and normal in that sense um I've never been sick I've drunken some silly looking water like that but I just think if you're at the top of the mountain where the water's first coming out of the Hill out of the Rocks then you're safe

15:24because there's nothing along the line there like a an old animal carcass freaking sitting in the water or something like that to make you sick it's coming right out of the ground it's coming right out of the ground literally catch it as a streams yeah that makes sense it's like a well and that's handy as well because I'm camped at the top so I want to find the highest water source so I don't have to drop down so far each day right collect water um it's always a good feeling actually when you come across fresh water like that so how many liters is your pack how how heavy is your pack it's a 2,200 oh it's a small pack yeah yeah it's not a big pack that's very small yeah it's it's the bad lands that's crazy use a 2200 lit pack for a 15-day hunt yep that's how a lot I'm going in I have I have a couple of things that are strapped to that pack which would make it bigger than that but

16:12generally everything fits inside that pack so what's in the pack do you take a jet boil yeah that's yeah so I've got similar it's a MSR reactor they're really good you can actually I used it in the cold war that freezing in my tent like the whole tent froze over that um I actually turned it on in the tent to warm the tent when I was getting changed or unchanged at night little bit pansy but hey it got it done and put a smile on my face boils water super quick you know so if the weather's measurable and you just want to get it done it boils water super quick for you and you run a tank of propane small yeah just a real little backpack one and then because I went in there when it was stinking hot like it was it was cooking like it was the hottest weather you'd have you wouldn't even imagine having a fire in that weather from risk of a wildfire you know starting the bushire

17:01to you know hailed it rained and it snowed everything got wet it was safe at that point to have a fire and then a lot of the cooking that I end up doing was just over the fire I was saving my gas each night um cuz I would have ran out of gas before those 15 days were up if I was using just that one canister the whole time and that you'd end up having the pack out go into town buy the gas and then pack all the way back in you'd end up losing two days because it was a it was a full day walking out with no weight at all like just speed walking down the mountain trying to get out of there was a full day so um yeah I've got my reactor I've got my water filter but like I said I never used it I've got a small oneperson tent a mattress a really good sleeping bag it's actually overrated for the conditions but I always think you're better off going overrated you get some bad weather like

17:49I had and you got an underrated sleeping bag and you're not getting sleep you're going to miss hunting hours for sure um then I've just got a couple of knives I've got a a full safety kit um bandages um I've actually been carrying I didn't use them on this trip either but a little like a water filtration pill which is always handy so you didn't have to carry your filter kit every day if you come across some decent water that was down low you could just put the pill in but um where a lot of people go wrong with these filt uh the Water Filtration and the pills is you still require both if you come across dirty water because the pills only going to kill bacteria within reasonably clear water it's not going to kill the solids so if you're scooping up dirty water putting a pill in and then drinking it anything with that's within the solids of that water you're still going to get sick from so

18:41you in in a sense you still you still need the the two of them if you do want a hunt like that but the the water filtration is awesome cuz it's 99.999% of all bacteria it's going to filter out of your water and the pills are what like it's a chlorine or something yeah they're like a chlorine pill yeah there's a few different ones out on the market so you take those Essentials you essentially wearing the same clothes every day same clothes every day I take few change of socks and underwear and um yeah same clothes clothes every day and then if I did get a hot hot day this was the plan it never ever happened but if I did get a hot day and I came past a stream I was actually going to wash some clothes in like a dry bag just a bit of water in the clothes and then hang them up and I just never got that break in the weather and I wanted to hunt every day and every

19:29minute of light so I'd just get up in the morning and put wet clothes on if I didn't dry them on the fire that night so it sounds like most of the wheat in your pack is food generally yeah just 10 days of food and how many pounds of food are you taking a day around two yeah maybe a bit less yeah might have been a bit less I smash the chocolate bars when I'm out there in the M oh dude why chocolate bar I smash chocolate at own but when I'm in the mountains I really smash chocolate um I just like that bit of a fix and a bit of a it's a bit of a pick up you know and to keep you going and it it's no different than a fire you know like if you get a fire going at night it's that like bit of a boost like a spirit Spirit boost and it's the same as a chocolate bar just to sit down and and H away on a chocolate bar just yeah Life's good keep going doesn't matter okay but like uh but as far as like

20:20energy don't you crash when you have one of those things did you go up high and then get a sugar crash no I don't really crash it's funny I hear it with a lot of people but yeah I never crash well brandan Burns was saying the same thing he he brings like Snickers bars yeah Snickers bars are really good Milky Ways they're like a Mars bar back in Australia but like Milky Ways here and sugary good well I also would imagine the amount of calories you're burning when you're walking up mountains like that yeah with a pack on a heavy pack it's huge I had um but I had the desire to actually go and do this trip and do a bit of weight loss at the same time I think if I wasn't going to do weight loss at the same time then I I'll probably pack some more food some more goodies but um so you did it on purpose like lose some weight so I and I and I did I lost weight yeah I lost a lot of

21:09weight doing it but yeah definitely done it on purpose there'd be some some days where I'd just have um a snack in the morning for breakfast like an energy bar an actual energy bar in the morning and I'd go all the way through and I wouldn't I wouldn't hike back in the camp till 11:30 at night because I was trying to stay out where I thought the blls were and i' have a quick dinner in Camp that night and that was it and I wouldn't even feel hungry throughout the day um I think it's just from being so active and obviously good water intake whenever you can um I just there was never a point where I'm like oh far out I'm starving today you know I'm not going any further until I eat or anything like that it was just it was all go go going yeah now when you take a plan like this when you decide to go on a deep deep Mountain hunt like this what do you uh how do you pick where your

21:58going are you uh you studying Google Earth are you getting tips from people studying Google Earth's the big one yeah and um I'd suggest for anyone that wants to do a backpack hunt you know like a doy yourself Hunt is study Google Earth and I would do a radius I'd look for a radius with the least amount of uh roads any sort of infrastructure around it like the most wilderness looking area even away from Trail heads I hate being near a trail head or where there's a trail that people are going to be walking in on or or or anything like that like I mean real Back Country you got to Bush bash it to get in there just find you know do your research find the area with with the least amount of activity and then put a dot in the middle or roughly in the middle and that's where you should set up camp and like get in there live with the bulls or whatever animals you're hunting get in

22:46there and live with them and um I think not being afraid to fail on a hunt the big one because you know a lot of people well there mightn't even be any Bulls there but you know who cares it's going to be an awesome experience anyway and it's a place that you can tick off the list I'm not going back there there was nothing there and then next year try the next spot or the next week try another spot um I had hunted around that area previously and so I knew there was elk in the area um I just had never been that far back in before and and I tell you tell you the truth it it nearly completely failed on me because I went days and days without hearing I seeing an elk but the sign was there to say they were in in there it was just that the Grizzlies and the the Wolves were hunting that area so hard that it shut the elk up and pushed a lot of them out of the

23:34area yeah and then I was nearly the new food source so wow so when you get in there and you don't see anything for like a couple of days like what what what is the mindset like what do you there's heaps of doubt and there's always that it's like you second guess yourself this was a stupid move you shouldn't have came in here you need to change spots but then it's like but at the same time you're experien in this for a reason this is how hunting should be hunting should be hard you should hunting should never be unless you've done your research going into a place and there just like game walking past you everywhere there should always be cuz that's the hunt right finding it or going through the hardship to find it tracking it finding finding where's the better spot within that area so at the same time that my mind's like you know you've made a bad decision this is a

24:23crap spot to be there's the whole experience of like no this is how hunting should be should be difficult you should have to work your ass off to try and find the animal and when you actually do find the animal how much better is it because you know it's just like if if if you hunted for 11 months and you didn't see a ball you found a ball you had a shot and you missed but then the next one you get how good's that next one that you get you know if that was the case and it was very similar on this trip where I put in all that effort didn't see an animal one opportunity a bull comes in I end up calling that bull from like a mile away you could just hear him coming up this Canyon and I did that shot and dude I teared up I was crying because I knew how much had gone into it you know and it's not just the effort but you know like obviously I'm I'm away from my wife

25:13Kim and the kids I'm away from the kids for a month now there's all that sacrifice there's all the hardship there's all the effort there's walking in there's putting up with that absolutely atrocious weather and then finally one opportunity comes up and you kill that animal as well as killing the animal that's a hard thing to do man I bowled up I was crying like I think I cried a dozen times every time I thought about it when I was standing over the bull I was crying wow and I'm like that's why it's got to be that hard so you can appreciate the animal so you realize what has to go into the hunt to actually get something killed should I think every hunt should be like that I hope they're not well there's a there's a lot of elk in Montana but Montana is so huge I mean it's such a massive massive place and the amount of Wilderness that you're encountering if

26:00you have you know herds of elk all over the place it's super likely that you could like wind up in a spot with nothing around you from miles and miles around yeah exactly so the the the I think the hard bit with that country that I've that I've been going into is the wolf population's getting so big I know you love wolves there's pictures of freaking wolves in this joint everywhere but um I do love them I want to shoot one I want to shoot a dozen of them well they're scary yeah definely scary it's what's weird is what we were talking about um before the podcast started you were talking about Australia and what you call the Greenies which are the green people that want to um they don't want animals to die and they want these population to explode but there's not a balance and that was the idea behind reintroducing wolves was to create a balance because there was a lot of

26:51animals that were living in the Yellowstone greater you know Yellowstone area and so they introduced these wolves but the problem was they had an agreement when they introduced these wolves that when they reached a sustainable population they reached a certain number several thousand wolves then they would open up a hunting season on them to try to control the population but as soon as they reached that number the people that were involved in the relocation of the Wolves and the wildlife protection people and all the people that are like really animal rights Advocates they they backed out of it and they said no we don't want any hunting on any of these wolves ever yeah and so there's this big battle and a lot of states have opened up hunting seasons on wolves Montana included but it's still there's a a battle there's a battle to try to control the wolf

27:38populations it's funny like I went so I went into Yellowstone last year after my hunt just you know sight scene and I hadle make photography gear and um I didn't see a single elk you got to go near where the people are I saw a ton of them isn't that crazy I was there with my kids yeah we we got I got selfies with with an elk yeah I didn't see any wolves though either you know I was like the whole time I was like wolves they've wrecked this joint but I didn't see any wolves either well the elk decided that people are super safe because no one has hunted in Yellowstone for you know 100 whatever the hell years so when you go to the visitor area when you first pull in the Yellowstone like Yellowstone has like this uh and this is on the Montana side Yellowstone has this area where there's like a gas station and there's like a store and there's elk everywhere like I'll show

28:26you my phone I got selfies I got elk selfies but they're uh they they're not even remotely nervous about people they don't care yeah no you don't you don't do you know these um Axis deer that you have in Texas the CH deer look at your stupid head yeah that's all I've seen but oh in the background too oh they're just living in the hotels by looks of isn't that hilarious they're just chilling back there and there was a gang of them man that's awesome they were all over the place there were it's it's really weird because it's like right when you pull into the area all you see is like just loads of hang so that that the CH deer that we have they go and live near the station so a station in Australia obviously is like just like a ranch you know like a big farm because of the dingo just smash the smash the population so that those CH deer they go they go and live near the homesteads

29:23because the dingos are less likely to come around the homestead so it's really crazy and then you move if you're hunting You' be like ah screw this I'm going back into the back country you know there's going to be heat more deer back there compared to around the house and there'll be no deer out there at all or they'll be very limited there'll be there'll be the Stags that are moving through the area and that's about it the nucleus of the CH deer live around the homestead where it's safe they're not dumb that's interesting that's the same thing with deer in around here you you find them in Suburban areas yeah but you also find coyotes in Suburban areas too exct but less Mountain lines Mountain lines try to avoid human populations more and that's what usually gets the deer out here well all the news back home has been Mountain lines in behind your house probably there's quite a few

30:08yeah that's cool they take pictures of them there's Bobcats I've seen Bobcats out near me but there's there's uh Mountain lines in California for sure there's quite a few of them California is an interesting place because uh you know California they don't want to control the Predators they want the Predators to control the the game population and because of that there's not that many deer here yeah yeah I understand that it's and I can see the method behind it you know my issue is that humans in a sense the ultimate Predator right and that everything should be not controlled but um you know what's the good way of saying this is that that being the apex predator that we are we are you know we've obviously got a part in in that the whole food chain as well when it comes to things like that some people don't agree with that yeah I understand that and and I can see you know we're talking

31:02before about the Wolves being introduced to control the population and the numbers but there's obviously got to be a point where the wolves are controlled as well right so who does that well that was all done early early on in North America because of cattle ranchers so what they would do is they would shoot Wild Horses they had a huge Wild Horse problem and the Wild Horse problem is actually it's reemerging there's quite a few wild horses in North America and they're trying to figure out what to do with them and it's really controversial it's very it's kind of interesting uh but what they would do back then was they would shoot these wild horses and then they would shoot a wolf they would shoot like one of the alphas and they would take the wolf and rub it and take its scent glands and rub it all over the uh dead horse and then fill the horse up with strick nine so the other wolves

31:49would come around they would smell their missing Alpha friend and uh they would eat the eat this horse carcass and they would get the stri nine and die so doing that they extrap wolves from the majority of the American West that's how they K them all yeah it's really but then they realized that they did a terrible thing by doing that and so they started reintroducing them there's a balance somewhere obviously I love wolves I think they're cool as hell but there's a there's a there is a balance but the balance is real tricky it's cuz like there's a a very small number of them in Washington state but the the small number of them the small number of wolf packs have started attacking cattle ranches and uh they're killing these cattle and so these ranchers want these wolves killed and so they've decided to kill some of the wolves and it's a huge controversy in Washington state because

32:39they're like look there's not that many wolves and you guys are going to kill these wolves cuz they're killing the cattle but you're going to kill the cattle too like if you want to have cattle this is what this is the price you pay but you I I'm sure you've seen how they run cattle out here they just let them roam around on public land you know when we were in Nevada We Were deer hunting with Steve reell yeah yeah and uh we saw a lot of deer deer were everywhere but we saw way more cows cows are everywhere and they just they roam all throughout this public land and the ranchers pay some sort of a fee and they this was that was what that whole thing yeah a lot of that happens back home in Australia as well yeah so they roam all over the place there's cow everywhere we're essentially we're camping out so we're sleeping on cow there's cow everywhere you live was it

33:28comfortable was not bad do you like spread it out a bit first well I actually wed up sleeping in the back of the Suburban we had a suburban and I was like uh why are you guys going to sleep on the ground when you just fold the seats back and sleep on this flat area it's I camped out in the back of a Suburban while these dummies are sleeping on the ground on Cow Patties like all hunched over like they want to be down with nature man down with cow poo if you want to be down with nature take off the sleeping bag you want to really get but exactly but it's um you know these animal if you're going to let them wander around like that roam free which is nice cuz they're essentially almost wild they're free range cattle they're eating grass it's the healthiest cattle you could eat but wolves like to eat them too and so it's uh it's real tricky it's like where do you draw the line

34:13there there not that many wolves and these wolves are eating these cows and but to the ranchers each cow is worth you know several thousand dollars every time a wolf kills a cow that's a big loss of income yeah I suppose it's working there got to be some sort of line there where we work in conjunction with Wildlife whether you're a Rancher or not whether you're losing um income or not you know that's that's got to be part of the system maybe it should be subsidized by the taxpayers instead of killing the Wolves maybe they should subsidize some of these ranous I mean if these wolves are killing it's only you know a certain amount as long as they've taken some measure of protection try to keep the Wolves Away but to ensure a healthy wolf population would ensure a balanced ecosystem they can't bring it back to where they used to be cuz where they used to be

35:00there was no walls yeah exactly yeah yeah there's a there's a funny thing at home how you're saying it should be subsidized um so obviously my my business is in um Northwestern Australia for the mines and they've got their own private train line they run their own trains with ior and the train Line's unfenced so the cattle can cross the train line anytime a train hits one of those cows oh Jes they've got to pay the farmer you know oh wow and I've heard stories about the farmer just going out and shoo his cattle along the the train line so that the mines pay him pay him for the the cows CU they look like they've been hit yeah yeah it's pretty funny oh that's hilarious yeah so maybe we could do something like that with where the Wolves just pay out every time they kill a cow hey some people believe that well someone would probably do that there's probably some un

35:46unscrupulous people but that then they'd get caught and then they' get prosecuted it would balance itself out but there's a certain amount of numbers where they the Wolves reach a high population number where all the other animals start getting being threatened like there was an a recent situation in Wyoming where these wolves killed 19 uh elk and didn't even eat them they just killed them just real killing just around having a good time you know yeah they will do that that's the point where obviously we've got to stand in make a good decision whether it's a tag system or or some sort of culling you know I think before the program we were talking about where kangaroos need to be C because it's it's a little bit like yeah so the the greens don't want toies the Greenies you know they don't want to kill the kangaroos but for the better for the better benefit of kangaroos there has to

36:36come a point where the numbers need to be controlled otherwise they eat their self out of land and home they get diseases and and it takes weeks to die like a suffering death like no one wants that so you can't be just for one and not the other my buddy Mike hawridge he lives up in uh BC in northern BC British Columbia and uh he he was a attacked by wolf like he had shot a wolf in midair as it was jumping at him they have so many wolves up there that they have literally uh had Open Season Like There's No Tag limits you could shoot wolves need to go there yeah it's we went up there and this is uh we were moose hunting that's where I got this one and uh we found a calf that had been torn apart by Wolves it was really fascinating but he put this up on his uh Instagram his um his Instagram is BC Outfitter this is him last night like listen to this oh that's awesome this is just last

37:40night I'd be howling back come in baby started he actually started it he uh started the howl you can hear it here yeah he called them got that's him that's Eerie that sound when you're in Camp by yourself and you hear that going all the way around you what a awesome animal and E at the same time it's the coolest animal ever cuz they're smart they operate in packs they have a really complex social system I I'll tell you this cool little story when I was in Northwest Territory like just above the Arctic Circle the first time I've been into that country like the McKenzie mountains and I was actually hunting moose but I had a wolf tag as well and the very first morning like we get up out of the tent we walk out up the river I'm with a guide Byron and I see like a pack of wolves coming down the river so they'd been hunting that area I think it end up being day three they

38:41they chased the Caribou Up and Down the River like just to a lavering sweat then they chased it in the river and they surrounded it in the W the river and that caribou and was a bull as well got to the point it whole body was quivering cuz it's been really hot and then it's been chased into this freezer Cold River at that point the Wolves just left it and they all went up and sat in the sun cuz they're all wet as well they went and sat in the Sun and they got all dry and then it was like mother nature just took over from that point they they they got the Caribou to the point where they knew it was going to die and left it and end up it couldn't hold its own legs up and end up laying down in the river and drining in the river wow how cool is that that they knew that so the the wolves get to the point where they're like okay we got to go and sit in the sun now and dry out this thing's dead

39:26anyway just going to come back to it in an hour once it's drowned in the river what the how do they know that that's crazy and then by that afternoon that Caribou was just a rib cage like they just they absolutely plucked every bit of meat and the organs out of that Caribou wow how cool is that that's I got photos of it actually yeah do you really work do you have them online anywhere they're probably on my Instagram early days Instagram yeah so Adam Green Tree bone and I tagged them on my Instagram so see if you could find those jamy yeah but uh you'll see this Caribou just standing in the water and um like it was just quivering it was it was done it was done and they knew that it was done and they're just like oh we'll come back in an hour and eat how smart are they mhm how smart are they they know that so cool have you also heard that in their Spore

40:13um there's um something that like elk if they sniff it it stays in the the dirt forever so they basically it out stays in the dirt forever an elk will go along grazing and eat the grass and this Spore attacks the Elk's lungs and it shrinks the lung capacity so it's it it it's it basically makes the elk tired when they're running for the wolf to grab them at a later date wait a minute so they this they eat the they shed out the what what they eat and spores spores are released into the dirt when the Elk's eating eating the grass they they take it into their system and and it reduces their lung capacity it reduces their lung capacity so it's like they're poison the elk before they Jack him what is that not the ultimate predator or not is insane how is nature so complex it's cool isn't it it's so amaz well the thing about wolves now too that's really kind of cool see I'm so torn I'm so torn

41:12because on one hand I love elk hunting I love elk I love the idea that they're out there and they're wild but I'm a big fan of wolves I love the fact that these wolves are so badass how many ranches right now going you Joe r well my friend Mike where he lives in BC his neighbor's Ranch a gang of them jumped a cow like they got they got hungry in the winter and they said you know let's just do this how much easier of a feed is that pretty easy an elk that runs flat out that's got legs that stand there tall off the ground or a fat cow that's down here that that won't even run away you know it's in a it's it penned in too the elk was penned in or the cow rather was PED in and they they they jumped it jumped the fence I guess and just this this is one of the things that's so appealing to me about bow hunting it's not actually just bow hunting it's the whole Outdoors whole

42:01picture and Wildlife when you get into it like this and you start looking at it and thinking about it it's crazy who doesn't want to be a part of that well we're so filtered from it for the most part most people's interaction with wild animals is the zoo or a squirrel you know wo look I see a skunk you know wo there's an eagle oh my goodness oh my gosh yeah I Saw an Eagle like it's a big day but to actually go to a place like where you went and to hear yeah well a lot of people always like oh that's crazy that's it's actually not that crazy when you go out and experience that sort of things happening all the time it's just that people are so disconnected cuz they're not out there experiencing it I was telling a story about we got a wedge tail legal at home and I can hear this pig squealing like I'm like like like my ears just can't pick out where this pig

42:52squealing is coming from and it's gone straight over the top of my head there's a wedge tail eagle with this pig and flies it over it knew exactly what it was doing and flies it gets it up real high and it drops it perfectly over this Rocky outcrop on the mountain to open it up like that's like me and you going I need a steak knife to cut into this meat yeah that Eagle's just going I need a rocky outc crop to cut into this meat and how big was the pig it's pretty decent was like this like 40 lb 50 lb 40 lb maybe 30 I've seen them uh drop goats off cliffs yeah like the goats are climbing Cliffs and the eagle swoops down grabs a hold of it it's like get over here how about that video if that the eagle tries to pick out the baby out of the pram or whatever I don't think that's real oh you don't yeah I think that's fake stupid internet seriously I'm sure that's

43:43probably happened before it's def definitely happened if when you look in the eye of an eagle you realize oh yeah that thing would eat a baby yeah like the idea that it wouldn't eat a babies a joke they're built for it it's just another animal yeah they don't give a kid not no offense to anyone's babies but yeah no F I love babies but the reality is there's a great video of this guy in Alaska we've played it on the podcast before the guy with all the Eagles in his yard Eagles in Alaska are so prevalent I have a friend who goes up there and she was telling me that they're like pigeons she's like they're like pigeons are everywhere like you don't even care anymore like get these things out of here but this guy's got this backyard and in his backyard he's got hundreds and hundreds of eagles I mean maybe not hundreds 100 50 50 over 30 okay over but they're

44:33everywhere is this the video this is the same one so what it is is he's got uh where did I come up with hundreds how dare me so he's got a bunch of fish that he's got laid out oh that's cool and uh they've got up like look at this look at all these Eagles just walking around this guy's backyard this ain't compared to what we're going to show you in a minute folks but um these Eagles are wandering around this guy's yard and he has his kid take a bucket of fish and dump it out for these Eagles and I just would not be that confident having these monsters comeing near my kid no that' be oh yeah those are raptors man yeah this is I don't know my little girl would run out there and grab each one of them God look at this thing they're so weird it's such a weird animal that's a living dinosaur right there oh it really is yeah it's such a weird animal too it's just so strange that we chose that

45:29heartless monster as the American bird you know I mean couldn't couldn't the American animal be like a puppy or something cute we've got like on our coins we got like platy p and Wombat nothing with teeth nothing with claws that's a good move cuz this thing is just a living dinosaur like literally a raptor a flying Raptor look at it's just creeping up to it it wants it wants that fish but it doesn't want to take a chance of getting shot I want one an eagle yeah I got like wa up on my property up in the mountains on my farm we've got a couple of wedge tails that that hang around up there and whenever we kill a deer we leave the carcass out I'll put a scouting camera on it and stuff like that and just to see these things come down and eat and what they do is so cool now a wedg tail Eagle is at the size of a golden eagle or a a bald eagle like how big is it they get a

46:15couple of meters in wingspan they're huge oh wow so it is like that big yeah yeah wow have you ever seen the um harpy eagle that's the biggest one yeah it lives in Venezuela and they eat monkey and it's uh it's up to watch man it's a monkey how stressful would your life be I think about that all the time like I'd just be straight up stressing the whole time I just lay out and be like just get it over and done with yeah there is a they love sloths cuz sloths are just designed to get up by Eagles I love sloths too cool this Eagle is godamn huge and look at the monkeys like this the monkey's like get out of here man but the sloth can't do anything they're just so slow they can't do except for stare at it and go piss off look he just walks up to it and grabs it he's like let me just claw the out of you here dude bloody get off me you can't don't touch me look at this

47:07poor sloth not a goddamn thing you can do look at him who this is a weird one I haven't seen this video M all right watch out I'll touch your titties get out of here the only one I've seen before is one swoops down and grabs one this one actually says sloth fights back oh barely yeah I mean I don't know if it's really a fight but look at that speed this what Joe that's going to be you when you're 90 get out of here you son of a I'll get you in a headlock I'll kill you just so weird that nature gave this animal no defense system I mean nature just the sloth how cool are they though sloth you see that one walking it's like it almost looks like it's got bloody algae growing on it that green one and it's coming up to the road how weird are they well a lot of them do have mold yeah they do have green growing on them they look like they there's one at a zoo here

47:55that has all this mold grow all over over its back and you can yeah look at that right there yeah that's the one it's because they move so slow that literally moss and can grow on them what a goofy ass productive Jam could you say something he's like boom he's the best Jam's the best look man he he needs another one another race another race for jam look at this thing man look at how Ro I mean that doesn't even look real if if you told me that that was a creature in a movie I'd be like that's going to come and get you that's the Boogey Monster oh my God the poy monster who comes in the middle of the night slowly climbs up to your bed he only eats babies like that's what it looks like it looks like some fake it's crazy that Technology's brought us this far where we can look at a video right now at that sloth but to tell you the truth if you hadn't traveled the world you wouldn't even

48:44know that animal really existed well that's why they used to have to have zoos that's one of the main reasons why I'm opposed to zoos yeah I mean I'm I'm I'm Pro Zoo as far as like they raise a lot of money for conservation there's some animals that thrive in zoos like we were joking around about it the other day about giraffes I I used to have this joke in my ACT about giraffes don't give a about being in the zoo they don't feel bad at all they love it they just wander around going another day with no lions and they just slowly wander around because giraffes are the only animal where you let babies feed them but what if they don't realize they've got life that good like us today you know like it takes a Backcountry hunt for you to go home and go I just flick a switch and a light comes on I turn a tap and hot water comes on those drafts are probably just ignorant and they really

49:29don't know you know definely the truth is they've got it good there's not lions chasing them every day well what's up about the Santa barbar Zoo Santa Barbaro is great but the the uh giraffe cage is right next to the lion cage like literally is that to remind them oi this is what this is what it could be like that's what they should do they should let them out for a week they should let him out for a week let lines and chase them around let them back in the zoo and go see that's what could be like what do you want yeah stop being such an just eat your lettuce look but look at this people can feed them look at that little kid look at that little kid no one's even remotely worried about the behavior of giraffes they've never exhibited any aggressive behavior for that little kid he looked a bit stressed ah he just didn't know he's just maybe a little how about

50:15that kid's gonna grow up learn Jin Jitsu and kick your ass I don't think he's got need more than Jiu-Jitsu for a giraffe you about 90 you be right you need a ho these giraffes are right next to this cage where I mean they're only separated by a couple of fences there's two fences and right over there is these lionesses that's awesome and you can get they have thick glass you can get right like where you are to me you can get right up to the lion and when you get right up to them you feel so vulnerable like you know there's glass but that cat's looking at you and you're like your whole body just starts going get the out of that's your instinct saying dude what are you doing yeah there's something about cats man oh you've seen this one where this uh baby is standing there in front and it turns its back and the lion the lion can't even help it yeah no it's just Instinct

51:05yeah but as soon as the kid turns its back it's like now man did you see any mountain lions when you're out there uh one come into the kill site his Prince roll through the snow there really yeah and that country is pretty known for Mountain lies as well uh 2 or 3 years ago when I was in there and we got fresh s and I went right up High um big mountain tracks like and that's just cuz there was fresh snow I'm sure there was fresh Mountain tracks everywhere I walked every day but it's just that there was fresh snow and it left the tracks perfectly in the snow like how many times do you walk past the mountain line and it's staring at you or how many times has it been a mountain line off in the distance looking at you and you had no idea it was there they're there you don't know what they're there and then every now and then I'll you'll get a weird feeling like I'm being it's a

51:51funny sense you know and I hate saying about cuz people say but I'll get a funny feeling that something's looking at me and if I stop at that point and have a look around chances are I'll find a deer or a fox or something staring at me from in the up on the ridge or in the timber or something like that happened with Shane Doran you had Shane on the show not long ago Shane was out hunting with me just before he come on your show and I stopped and I'm like ah dude I just got this weird feeling of being watched and we looked around then yeah there's a buck like looking behind a tree staring straight at us you know so it's like it tickles a sense that's for sure do you think now this is going to get into the woo woo yeah W do you think that when you're out in the woods for days on end a week on end with no cell phone service no nothing just quiet woods and animals and you're

52:43alone it's just you do you think that activates certain senses or reignites certain senses that are dormant reignites really we can't have gone through such a long period where you had to hunt you'll you know that's just how people were you know like the natural world is people out in the woods just like with the animals that all that ignites and it fades when we're looking at freaking technology like we do M or you're so busy in your lifestyle in what in what you do like obviously parts of the body's got to you know we got to shut this down we're doing this now you know we're moving forward in the world move forward in the world let's move back that definitely ignites and it's what I just said you know where um I feel like something's watching watching us or the way you react or you're listening or what you hear and just all your senses become so fine-tuned to the

53:35Wilderness uh man it's a beautiful thing yeah the move forward is an interesting way of looking at it because I don't think technology necessarily is having us move forward but what it's definitely having us do is move different we're we're we're we're interacting with each other Less in the physical sense and more in the digital sense and we're way less likely to interact with the rest of the wild world well I mean the world the wild that's a weird term too like I've always felt like the word Outdoors like I love the outdoors like how weird are people that we call the whole world Outdoors but are you know like we're so used to being in these shelters that the sheltered life is normal but the outdoor out of the shelter well that's the actual world that's the actual world yeah the ACT you what you go to the outdoors you want to go out there camping you go to the outdoors

54:25well doors like what a weird description the outdoors you know it's a strange way of looking at the Wilderness it's the Wilderness is a much better term but Outdoors is like oh I love The Great Outdoors what the are you talking about I love the world how it is today I think he said it on a show not long ago like we've never had it better than we have now 100% if you don't think we've got it better now it's because you're not looking at you're not appreciating everything that that there is so I like technology in the sense that I can connect with a lot of people you cam HS you know stuff like that I wouldn't have friendships with you guys if it wasn't for how technology was today yeah you live on the other side of the planet exactly how crazy is that and the world becomes really small so I love all that but at the same time I just hate the disconnect that people have I hate that

55:14everyone's so busy trying to work for a living to have a nice car or a big house or something like that and in the end that shit's not even important it doesn't even matter it's not like it's not the memory that you're going to get from going out to the Wilderness or the connection or the appreciation I appreciate meat because I've had to kill it myself right I appreciate power because I've gone without power for weeks I appreciate hot water you appreciate all those things a car a paved Road rubbish service someone comes to your house and collects your freaking rubbish serious no serious think about it there was a point where we couldn't get done what we would today because you had so much else to do right your own rubbish probably grow your own vegetables or drive or walk or horse ride the day into the town to get vegetables or or whatever it was and

56:04washing your clothes we didn't sitting there with a scrubbing brush and washing your clothes overboard would take hours and hours now you just throw it in a machine I'll come back and get it when it's convenient for me and pull it out so you get to do a lot more in today's world but it also there's so much to do that it's a lot of people don't get to do what we do and go outdoors and experience that or appreciate those things cuz they're have had that hardship you know the mountains is a hard can be a hard and miserable experience but it makes you appreciate the things in Modern Life that aren't hard anymore it's a perspective enhancer because it's a reality check cuz you realize wow what a strange world we live in that we need shelter and we need fire and we need all this stuff in order to survive but without that stuff when you're out there like as as minimalistic

56:52as you've done it like doing it with a small pack with just a few days where the food and sleeping under a a cloth house a little tent you know I mean that's a perspective enhancer CU it it gives you this real appreciation of what people have actually accomplished but most folks are not doing that and so they get really detached from where their food comes from really detached from the world itself and it's not it's not their fault it's just the environment that you're accustomed to we're all accustomed to supermarkets and restaurants and being able to just get a bottle of water you know oh I'm thirsty let me just pop the top on this water and people will still complain about that that's the crazy thing people will still complain about that and I'm like dude you need to check yourself yeah I went to Africa a couple years ago and was like in a real poor Village in

57:40in mosm Beek and uh everyone's still smiling they it was a unseasonal year and it was really cold so um we we go through this Village and a lot of these Villages never seen a white person before and we go through these Villages and it's 3:00 in the morning and they're all standing around the fire and I I said to the the guy beside me the local guy I'm like oh do they all start work early and he's like no they can't sleep and I'm like what do you mean they can't sleep and he's like well it's really cold they don't have blankets or anything like that so they get up in the morning they start a fire and they all huddle around the fire to get warm cuz it's freezing and it's not that they don't have the money to buy blankets there's no blankets there's no freaking blankets for sale it's as simple as that there's not like oh they don't have the $20 to buy a blanket there's not even the

58:32resource for there to be a blanket available for them to buy there's babies crawling around in dust that's like 6 Seven 8 in thick the dust around the village cuz you know all the they all walk around the village and create a lot of dust no one's complaining there that's what they're used to and they're happy thr one of throw someone from our society in that man they'd be miserable they' probably cut their own freaking wrists and and and all I I come home from there thinking those people have got it that hard it's what they're used to but they've got it that hard and they're still smiling you know and it's it was a bit of a check for me I got power I got running water and I've always been appreciative of these things anyway but um we've got power we've got water we've got in Australia we've got Medicare you know like real good health services we've got everything like that

59:21and people still find something to complain about and and it's just because I haven't been through a real hardship in their life that they don't realize it could be a hell of a lot harder than this this isn't even hard it's easy it's just what we're used to and we're used to complaining about it well it's also one of the strange things that we've created by creating houses that have electricity inside them and easy access to food and shelter where it's sleep in a nice comfortable mattress what by doing that and by detaching ourselves from the natural world I think we remove just a little bit of the mystery of being alive of how B bizarre it really is to be a living creature how amazing it is amazing yes I mean when you're when you're walking through the woods and you're seeing that grizzly bear who's sleeping on the carcass of that elk that bear has been living like that

60:10probably for if you ran into an 11ft bear how many years is he like 15 years old maybe yeah it's a giant huge monster bear that's just out there surviving the hard way for a long time in Montana through these Winters doesn't give a if it rains if it's sunny if it's snowing doesn't give a doesn't even give a about a pack of wolves yeah black doll eyes you see their eyes when you look the I ran into one grizzly bear in my life where uh it was in the wild only once and it was last year with Cam in Alberta I was actually with uh Jen John and Jen and uh Jen said turnarounds are grizzly and we turned around there this grizzly looking at us and this was looking through me there's such a difference in the way they look at you he's not looking at and going oh that's Joe Rogan no they look through but they look through you in the the strangest apex predator way well they have like this

61:08dead look in their eyes they're very it's a very strange animal yeah it is it's like I shouldn't say soul this is probably a bit of a harsh harsh way but I don't even know if a Soul's real but I know what you're saying exactly they don't give a compassionless yeah they don't give a that's what it is compassionless this is just a part of life if I feel like I'm going to eat you I'm going to freaking atat you I remember this first video I ever saw of a bear killing a moose the bear uh chased the Moose knocked it down and started eating it guts first while it was alive just holding it down and eating it that's nature right yeah that's this this is this is the funny bit you know where these these extreme Greenies think these animals go around like you know huging each other yeah like Ah that's my cousin you know we have a catch catch up and have a beer later and like that no they don't

61:53give a they don't care if you're screaming and howling it's just going to eat you it's like the a lot of the coyote dingo back home if dingo get a calf back home they're not like oh I'm going to be Humane with this calf I'll um I'll bite its throat first I'll tear its throat out make sure it's dyed and it's peaceful and stuff like that they'll just start eating it right there and there it will die in its own time you know that that that's not even a thought process for these animals no they're just concerned with consumption um when you when you do see them do it too when you do see them eat something it's just it's like oh yeah of course that's how they do it exactly yeah yeah but you don't you don't think of it that way you know it's movies Man movies have confused the out of people and then being away from them for a long periods of time yeah but we can't blame the

62:39movies because it's on that individual I'm smart enough you're smart enough Common Sense tells you that that's a movie they're not really like that you know how can people be that disconnected to think that's actually how animals live their life it's just a freaking movie yeah but the people they just I I don't think they really think that but they're not exposed to the harsh reality of it like they I don't think they really think that the Bears talk to each other in English and then they hug each other and they help people but but the reality of seeing bears in Klondike Bar commercials and Coca-Cola ads that does with your head it it does some way Plant the seeds of what uh renella calls uh what does he call it charismatic megap yeah you know these These Things become they become your friends you're long Wilderness friends yeah man I got a cat I got a dog at home I love them like

63:32cool but at the end of the day I know it's an animal and it's not a sens senseless way of saying it because I believe hunters or the hunters that I've met are the most compassionate people that you'll ever meet because it's it is a hard thing to take an animal's life but I know it's part of the process you know um it's not like I'm just let's just go out and kill an elk yeah we got an elk killed I'm totally not that Hunter at all I nothing turns me off more I'm not that sort of person I'll have a quiet time with that you know that animal I'll put my hand on it and everything you know and just be thankful I know it's an animal I know the meat's going to be used I know I'm doing the right thing but it's still that's the human emotion part of it you know and that's what in a sense that's why I got upset when I killed that that bull elk you know it's like it it's it is a

64:19beautiful creature I understand that's definitely a beautiful creature and it's a hard thing to do but that's the food good Chine well it's also very sustainable and what's interesting is what you're doing is you're dipping your your body your mind your feet into the wild world that elk is going to get eaten by something if it's not you it's going to get eaten by that bear that was sleeping on the carcass or those wolves waste of I completely understand that after hunting after getting so far in the hunting I completely understand that nothing goes to waste nothing ever if an animal breaks its leg it's something's going to take care of that exactly yeah yeah it's just all part of the side it's all part of the big picture of the world the biggest the biggest creature on the world is the world itself it feeds off everything us we even part part of the

65:05world's prey in in a way yeah it becomes this super complex system that has everything in place it's got a system to dissolve bodies and the bacteria dissolves what the animals don't eat and there's just this really complex pattern that's in place that's been in place forever and what you're doing is a Hunter is just going into it and becoming for a brief week or so you're becoming a part of that system that's how you acquire or a month for you and you're acquiring your food that way which I obviously and you obviously think is way better than going to a supermarket and hiring some Supermarket Hitman to do the work for you and feeling that you're guilt free I worked at avatars for some time and what is that abots like a slaughter house oh that's like Abbot abat in Australia you know what that is you ever heard of that I think it's might be an Australian

65:58world yeah he's a very um secluded here in America how would you know about that yeah we wouldn't know we don't know too much about you other than like crocodile dunde it's crazy land down under sometimes I'll use a saying or say something I'm like do you understand that word or not abat slaughter house is that is that normal Spanish Central H Spanish Central a St a Spanish speakers is it a Spanish word must be huh interesting word I'll just start calling it slaughter slaugh house yeah and so 7,000 sheep would go past on a chain and I just had the one job to do and and and there'd be 700 people you're making a slashing is that what you did just cut their throats there would be um 700 other workers just on the slaughter floor part so that meat was passing 700 people's hands mouths the whole lot through a I'm not saying there's nothing wrong with this because the population

66:56of the world demands that not everyone can hunt now so I don't have an issue with slaughter houses or anything like that but I'm saying that meat goes through a way different process I would have to say for a better word brutal process where those animals get hurted on to a uh like a truck like a semi-trailer uh driven to the slauter house put in small yards push through a gate to go past all those people's hands that are that cutting the meat that's before it even gets to the point where it's going to get cut up for packaging and then obviously it gets sent out to different grocery stores and then sold from there my meat passes these hands here that's it yeah that's the only meat that it passes I get to inspect every single animal in in its natural form because I'm the one that kills it isn't it strange that that's the norm that the norm is a slaughterhouse and that's only been

67:50around for a couple hundred years before that everybody did it the hard way exactly yeah yeah but yet we seem to be the outsiders for doing it like that and it's like this is so much more natural this is it's freaking beautiful that the process is actually beautiful once you get to know it and you look at it that everyone thinks H you had to gut an animal do you know how clean it is to gut an animal like it's clean it's not a messy job at all um and there's no like got to block my nose I don't want to smell there's no smell there's nothing this is clean meat and that's what I'm saying the blood on my hands at that point is clean wouldn't bother me to eat a chocolate bar and lick my fingers after it you mean you can eat the meat completely right exactly it's red it's not a predator I mean the only thing you have to worry about is if you eat a pig or if you eat

68:37a a mountain lion or something like that you got to worry about chosis or we don't even have that at home you don't have trenos NOP and so your P you can eat your pigs pretty rare uh you could you definitely could that's so uh come here and they cook bacon and it's like crusty bit of cardboard I'm sure you do the same well I didn't know that so I cooked some some bacon for our friends that we stayed with Ed and K Westbrook they were on that bear hunt with us Ed and K and um I'm used to just having my bacon like slightly cooked so I just slightly cooked it and put it on the plate I ate all my bacon they didn't eat their bacon I'm like oh they mustn't be big bacon eaters and then after the fact that I've eaten my bacon thanks Kay she's like um yeah we really like to cook our bacon world because of osis and I'm like what the like you let me eat mine though what a much less of a

69:26concern with domestic pigs they they actually lowered the temperature that you're supposed to kill or cook rather domestic pork it used to be like 165° which is what they recommend you cooking bear at now it's 140 yeah so you're okay I'm should be they don't ever get out I mean unless something gets to them the way you get chosis by eating something with chosis but the horrific nature of pig farming of domestic the way they raise it these factory farms it's it's horrible yeah I mean it really makes you never want to eat pork again definitely really disgusting yeah I could I'm just happy filling my freezer with with naturally Harvest Meat 100% Kim eats it the kids eat it they all love it but isn't it interesting to what you said earlier that everybody can't do that they can't do it that's bizarre it it is bizarre it's because of what we're talking about everyone's you know you've

70:19got to have this job you've got to make good money you know you need to be successful in that type of life you know that that's the big push but but I'm always like no you really need to be successful in this type of life which is the outdoors experience you know like um whatever being a good father like that's the sort of the work or whatever who gives a leave your job tomorrow if you have to to go and do something that you enjoy in life right that's the end story because you're not going to get to your deathbed and be like oh I really wish I pushed and got that better position at work or whatever you're never going to do that you you'll always be like I wish I did uh more for my kids or I wish I went and climbed FR and Everest or whatever it is that's what it's going to be but we all get caught up in this trap is now I've got to have the newest car the the the

71:07nicest house we need to live in this suburb I need to be the CEO at work I need to do that sort of thing well I think we're set up with this desire in our heads to attain things that we think are difficult to attain that we see like we see a shiny car we see a beautiful house we see all the all the different trappings of modern society we see those things and they're they're very appealing to us and they they seem to be like a goalposts of success and then if we can reach those things maybe we'll we'll reach more happiness or we'll feel better about ourselves we'll have some status that we can brag about and you chase that stuff until your heart stops being yeah I do the same thing don't don't get me wrong I'll see a advertisement for a car or something like that and be like I really like that car but then there's another party me that clicks and go you don't need that

71:56freaking car why do you want that car that car means you got to work longer or work more or something else to maintain or something like that are you want to going to want to get that car scratched in the bush that's another thing you know I'm like no I've already got a car just be happy with what you've got you're you're an idiot if you go and Chase that you're an idiot just be happy with what You' got Life's good more out time more Outdoor Experience more time for your kids more time of your wife whatever in that sense you know and it it's it's that that that that's the whole modern society thing so indigenous Australia not all of indigenous Australia but most of indigenous Australia because it's so young to our culture you know cuz Australia was only discovered in maybe Jamie can look it up cuz I don't know exact date I probably should um they they indigenous Australia

72:45don't seem to have that desire they're just happy with what they've got and it's something to be it's something to be envious of that that that they're just happy with that that they're not going to waste their life going and chasing silly things you know yeah well at the end of the day those things that you're chasing you can't take them with you that's right yeah and even if you leave them behind for your family I mean they're they're only going to enjoy them until they stop living but will will it's like the Masterpiece is enjoying your life to the utmost and having the most the most success with your family with your friends the most relationship success the most harmony with the people that you come in contact with but that doesn't seem to be real rewarded the same way in our world as like someone who's got some baller house and a helicopter picks him up and he's

73:31got golden underwear and but that Fades right yeah it does but they can have that they can have that helicopter and I guarantee you that it fades and they want something new there's something there's something new that you're Desiring past that what I've tried to train myself to desire and what I do desire now is experiences like worldly experiences coming to Coming to America for the month man I'd sell my if it meant to have to sell the house that I'm in the Kim would kill me so I wouldn't let's find something else if I had to sell my car to come to America to come to America for a month I'd do it wow I'd drop it 100% because the it's and it's not even the stories that I'll tell you or cam or or Antonio or one of my friends back home it's not even those stories it's the stories Within Myself And The Experience Within Myself that's where the real value is that's the real

74:23currency of this world is what's inside me right now and how I feel after doing this trip man I this trip was miserable I won't lie to you but it's an enjoyable miserable how do you work that out how could being in the snow being wet flogging myself out you know for 16 17 hours every day into the the dark of night and getting back in the camp being miserable how could that be enjoyable cuz the second you get back to Camp you're like oh a fire that's awesome second you lay down yeah I'm just like oh oh it's so good to lay down it's like you've got to go through hard to find the good in life I went through this uh 5 days on Prince of Wales island with ranella and my friend Brian Ken and it was raining every day just pouring rain every day the the hunt was UNS unsuccessful too we didn't get a deer but we came back and I was so happy I was like the sun is so warm it's so

75:17nice there's no rain and i' I'm I it's the same as it is today which is beautiful I mean it was beautiful today but I didn't really appreciate it the way I appreciated when I came back from Prince of Wales yeah definitely yeah yeah I really do believe that you have to go through some difficulty to appreciate good stuff like if you're born into like uh some super wealthy multi-billionaire family and you've got a Ferrari when you're 16 and you know you drive around fly around everywhere in private jets and you live in a giant mansion I just don't think that you can ever appreciate no definitely not the difficulty I work for what I've got today you know and then like I had a hard upbring and stuff like that my father was abusive alcoholic I lived on the streets for some time and I really believe that put me where I am with my family I absolutely adore my family I do

76:07anything for my wife and kids anything I'd cut my own arms off and sell them if I had to that's because of the hardship that I had when I was growing up and and like my business is very successful today and I believe that's because I didn't have anything growing up as a kid like we were poor we were very poor you know we we had nothing we didn't we didn't do Christmases because there was no money to do Christmas and and coming from a broken family like that to now have my own family that I I know how to treat them right because of how we were treated so wrong as kids and how my mother was treated I know how to treat Kim or it's how I'm proven that that's not that don't fly in my house this is how it actually is you know you love your family to death you do absolutely anything for them and the the biggest thing that I'm proud of in life is having the family that I've got today

76:58you know like bow hunting aside i' man I'd drop bow hunting you know how much I love bow hunting I drop bow hting for my family I'm not going to do it it keeps listening lucky you don't have to but yeah that is a an interesting thing how people come from uh a lot of folks that come from abusive alcoholic uh families they they wind up being like really considerate and really compassionate and really uh dedicated to keep it on the straight and narrow you know I have my friend Maurice he grew up uh with an alcoholic grandmother who raised him and they used to uh they used to lock him in a a room and just leave him there where they would go out drinking and he couldn't get out of the room there's no food he was always hungry and never never drank in his whole life I'm a non- drinker and it's just because of how I se My how I seen my father was drinking I believe I

77:49wouldn't be like that drinking because I'm just like I care about the person on the street I don't even know that's that's the sort of person that I am so I don't believe I would be um the violent drunk that my father was but it's something I don't want to even promote to my kids I don't even want to promote it to me friends so I I won't drink and I don't need the drink I'm silly enough as you can tell yeah I I've seen that many times man people who grew up in that sort of abusive uh substance abusing family they grow up and they're clean as a whistle they don't have nothing to do with it it makes total sense yeah it turns you right off it yeah it's how that works man how sometimes you have to see someone just completely ruining their life in order for you to get it in your head well that is not me I just I seen all the negatives in it and then I was like

78:36I don't want any negatives in my life at all like I'll do anything to avoid them you know and that's why I keep on the straight and narrow and try and be a real positive person is um I just I just don't want any anything negative like that in my life and I've seen alcohol as being a negative breeder because people do stuff that they they they usually wouldn't um 100% but at the same time um I can be at work or something and the guys are drinking and having a good time and there's no issue at all I'll stay up all night with him having a good laugh I I just don't need it to have fun anymore because I've never had it and and and obviously you know I've been turned off it as a as a young bloke yeah I mean it's not necessary I mean it's a social lubricant and I I enjoy it but I didn't grow up in an alcoholic environment I grew up in a violent environment so you know domestic

79:27violence to me is a very scary thing and um I I couldn't imagine ever hitting my wife or hitting my kids or hitting I just I I can't imag it was like it was so stressful growing up as a kid that I think that's why I've tried to live my life without any stress now and having an own business my own business can be stressful but I've I've tried to grow up without having any stress and just to have a figure like that in your life growing up as kids I got two sisters as well that were obviously affected by by it as well um it's a little bit like feeding your kids the wrong vegetables and not feeding them life but for mental health you know domestic violence is so ruining in that sense that that it just destroys mental health I've had I've used it as fuel myself but I know a lot of people don't and it actually affects them as they get older it affects them more and more it does and it also

80:25affects if you see violence too often in the young and by the way I should really ex uh expand on this like the violence that I saw was nothing I mean you know my dad hit my mom a few times you know he smacked her around I saw him hit some other people do he's just a that's horri yeah that's that's that's enough that's it's it's bad but it's not violence in comparison to he never hit me I I've seen many people who've lived way more violent upbringing way way worse than what I've seen but um one of the things that happens to young people when they see violence on a regular basis is your brain gets programmed to accept not just accept that but to to be wary of that and to be ready to respond to that and so you develop a much quicker temper and your the the consequences of being in a dangerous situation become much more real and you're much more likely to act

81:20in a violent way when children see violence they see people getting hit they see that kind of on a regular basis Norm it becomes normal it becomes an option you know and it's uh it's just like programming a I mean you know you have you have children like when you raise a kid like they're so fasc it's so fascinating to watch kids learn and grow and you see what they respond to and you see like when you when you can talk to them and get them alone and have fun with them and respond and and rationalize with them like I try to talk to my kids like they're adults yeah talk to them like they're little kids like I give them a lot of love and a lot of but I try to explain things like they're really smart Y and uh they probably are really smart because you like that my kids are like that well they they get it kind of and but they keep asking questions and we work it out you know

82:09well what does that mean well what you know like we we've had conversations about um what to do if someone's being mean to you like my daughter was like someone's being mean to me at school I go well how are they being mean too she's like well they said something mean about my hair mean I go well do you like your hair and she's like yeah like like your hair I go do you think they really think there's something wrong with your haircut or they trying to make you feel bad she goes I just think they're mean I go well they're probably trying to make you feel bad right and so why do you think they're trying to make you feel bad well a lot of it is because when kids are little they realize that they can affect someone and they don't maybe they don't even understand that it's going to have a really bad feeling on you but they it's like a toy that they can play with like they can say

82:47something mean and you react they realize it and this is something that people have to get through I go what you should do is realize the how that makes you feel and decide you're never going to do that to somebody else especially not someone who's your friend so we have these like long conversations about feeling about communication and then I I explain to her always that whenever I tell my kid about something I always say whatever you've done I've done it worse and I'm dumber than you for sure when I was your age she's very especially my eight-year-old who is uh you know she's the the um the middle child but she's um you know she's uh she's very curious and very uh very interested in progress like we talk about things like getting smarter or what you and one of the things I always say is I go you're way smarter than I was when I was eight when I was eight I was really dumb and I did

83:33a lot of stupid things but also I was a boy and I think I was a little more Reckless and impulsive and a little crazier but I'm like uh so anything you've done like if you don't tell the truth about something or if you blame somebody else for something that you did I did it all I did all those things so I'm not mad at you like uh it all obviously worked out for me I'm here I'm alive I'm healthy I have you so it's going to be okay so no one's is going to not love you if you make a mistake it's totally a part of being a person there's no way to navigate this life without making mistakes yeah so by having those kind of conversations with them I think I alleviate at least some of the anxiety cuz kids are always worried about how you feel about what they've done like they don't want you to be upset at them they don't want you to be and I always like go even if you do something bad

84:16like I still love you so it's just part of life I up still as an adult as a 49y old man I still make stupid mistakes and in the endend it doesn't even matter doesn't matter doesn't matter it's just you can get past it's all good yeah it's all good chill out people exactly but it's hard to well you know what that's another thing that being in the woods and being in the wild like when you see a 11t tall grizzly bear sleeping on an elk carcass and you're by yourself boy does like insults about a haircut see trivial exactly 8-year-olds getting mad at each other on a playground seems so stupid like look at this thing this thing could ate me yeah yeah isn't that funny it is funny I think I mean again like you were saying about how being in the woods and then coming back here like wow I could just hit a switch and I could I think you know having that that perspective

85:08and being out in the wild does it's an one more thing that gives you this sort of uh greater picture of how bizarre and amazing life really is yeah do you have this saying no use crying over spilled milk yeah yeah we have that I think we invented it I think you guys borrowed it I I think we invented it along along with Wi-Fi you guys invented Wi-Fi I can't believe that one guy he's probably American who was xat probably went over there cleaned Australia probably hiding from his taxes well like I just live by there's no Us's crying over spilled milk like if something's happened like if there's even something stressful it's done now let's just deal with it because it's done now there's no use carrying on about it right it doesn't make anything any better to it's just like just let's just deal with the situation let's just get Beyond it but it's so Cal and to be

85:54upset about it and everybody else does it and it becomes a pattern you see it and you know I mean I'm I'm guilty of it myself I've gotten upset about stupid before too but sometimes it's just a perspective thing and also sometimes it's a busy thing like sometimes you become I me I'm guilty of this I do I do too many things yeah and in doing too many things sometimes I I get my stress level too high like my base stress level it's like there's too many things I'm managing all at once and then I could be irritable stuff that I shouldn't be irritable about Kim's the same Kim's got a a little business pretty little party co and she gets so busy she'll get caught up with it that she'll get to the point she's like I've just got to slow down I've got to do less I've got to do less so I can actually fit in more things but more things that I enjoy yeah and um but at least she's got that

86:43Outlook at least she gets to that point and she's like yeah okay I'm getting too busy you know I'm actually losing quality time with whatever in life that she enjoys and um I used to be the same with the business cuz I'd put in these crazy hours with the business I I practically built the business so it could support itself and I can walk away and go bow hunting and but to get to that point I put in a few years of just I'd be out I'd be up until 1:00 in the morning doing things for the business and and trying to keep it growing and then how big do you want it because the more you have in life business all all those sorts of things the less time you actually have in life to do the things that you want right so I got to the point I'm like well I don't really want the business to be any bigger than it is now unless I getting some other managers and things like that and it's

87:34just finding that point okay stop because you're really not enjoying life anymore yeah you know let's just roll it back a little bit yeah I've done that more this year I I used to do all the UFC pay-per-views and I used to do the fox events too and I cut it back to only North American pay-per-views no more Fox events I cut it in half they can blame bow hunting yeah did you found bow hunting part problem I need more time for bow hunting that's part of the problem I was you know I was telling you on the way over here that I I really think I need to do a bow hunting TV show just so I can have an excuse to to go more so I don't have I listen honey I got to go to work can't just make it up just and it's in Australia dude you got to come in and hunt with me you can only see it yeah you can only see it um and online in China but it's going to be huge yeah I I don't know man this this

88:24uh there's definitely a a line that you cross between not doing enough and then doing the right amount and then doing too much and knowing how to pull it back it's hard to pull things back though yeah most people they they feel like if they're not moving forward they're moving backward if they're not doing more they're doing less yeah that's a human condition isn't it well it's part of this uh you know go get them Society especially in America I mean I don't know exactly what the attitude is over in Australia it's exactly the same and it's it's different with different people but I'll have an hour at home if I it doesn't even have to be something I want to do I can be doing housew work at on the house or doing something at work doesn't even have to be something that I actually want to do but if I'm not doing something for an hour I am bored shitless dude like hide the knives I'm

89:12going to cut my wrist like bored bored shitless like I need to be doing something and like I said doesn't even have to be something I want to do but I have to have something to do one of the things that I've realized how to do or or learned how to do over the last few years is go on an actual vacation where I go and I could just sit on the beach and drink margaritas and put my feet up and play with my kids no I can't I go fishing though well we were was organizing a trip recently to Hawaii and I was saying well if we go to Lina I can hunt axis exactly H got was Shine the problem is I'll be up at 6:00 in the morning I won't see my family there at all it's not that's not uh that's not a vacation it will be a vacation but fishing is like fishing is easy and they like it my kids like it it's fun you bring bring your kids to Australia too they'll take you out and some mad

90:02fishing at work Australia is a strange place man and this is one of the things strange place it's 16 hour flight away well it's that too but it's also strange place in that the like what they've done in America with reintroducing Wolves what what they've done in Australia what what I think is really bizarre is feral cats and foxes to deal with some of the never works so they brought rabbits out they rabbit to feed one of the early colonies with in Australia cuz that was for the people the rabbit's for the people to hunt that's why they brought them in food source well all the animals in Australia particularly New Zealand all the game animals all of them have been introduced from somewhere else that's that's corre most so the deer species are all gifts from royalty along the way and and then you've got other species that weren't gifts at all we just brought them in cuz we thought it

90:53was going to benefit austral but most of them if not all of them done the complete opposite so they brought in the fox to look after the rabbit well there's so much other that the fox would just prefer to eat that's easier than catching a rabbit they just hate that and and it's it's our um it's like the species that lives in Australia like it's not like oh it's something else we want to get rid of no it's something else we wanted to keep because they're natives you know like ground nesting birds and things like you you name it and then you spend enough time out in the the woods and you you'll see just about the craziest things and we've seen feral cats now cuz the birds started nesting out on lakes on Old trees that were growing in the lake they'd be safe there right no the feral cats were swimming across the lake at night we're actually seen this under

91:40light swimming across the lake at night climbing these birds that are nested in the trees out on the lake and snatching the chicks and and the bird just devastating to to our population of um I've never heard of a feral cats swimming in a lake crazy dude yeah so they just figured out how to do it they just figured out how to do it yeah maybe buddy threat they were bombing them up you know that's that's the that's the there's the point right there that's the right thing to do is get in and call those cats out when it's to that to that that sort of well that was what I was going to bring up cuz when I was in Australia you gave me some of your uh Australian bow hunting magazines and there's pictures of posing with cats they've got a dead cat no that's a proud moment for a hun because how devastating they are I understand I get it the same way coyotes are here in the like I've got a cat at

92:30home I'm not lining it up I'm not thinking about shooting me cat at home that's different it's a cat that's got a collar on and it's got a bell on and it stays at the house but isn't that bizarre like you love that cat but another cat you'll shoot it right FAL dogs so you've got dingos and you got feral dogs and and feral dogs are just that's just a domestic dog that's gone wild and and they're the same they'll FR kill they they're they're devastating to our population of wildlife um uh wombats take a good hit you know kidneys will get harassed you have ever seen a kidna kidna yeah kidna what is it it's like a porcupine but Heat's cooler all of our Wildlife Heat's cooler than your wild how dare you you don't have wolves you don't even have wolves how you dingo would eat a wolf hole oh how dare you that's so not true how big is a dingo um not as big as a wolf how the is that going to

93:23work out I'm bullshitting you but it's crazy cuz you guys are so scared of coming out to Australia you got snakes and spiders and I'm in the bush here for one day and there's a giant freaking grizzly bear like at my tent and I'm like I'll take the spiders and snakes please do you think a Grizzy Bear scarier than a Croc no Croc's Croc just a cold coldhearted killer like that would just it it seems if you went in the water near any crocodile it'd come and have a crack at you if you went near any bear I reckon about 50% of them 40% of them might attack you it might even be less than that where it just seems like crocodile so stuck in the Jurassic period that anything that comes to that water is just going to get chomped I'll tell you a quick little story so I'm in Aram land last year Aram lands like Northern Territory austral how do you say it Aram land arnam land Aram arum how you how

94:15you spelling that it's a r m h e h h is how you say h yeah h h h like this thing yeah H we say h you say h you guys put an A in there probably not us guys just me that's it there you go AR Arham Arham Aram Aram Aram land okay there's a vast Wilderness Area it sure is that's God's land right there beautiful okay Paradise so you're in AR Paradise for an Outdoorsman is it hell absolute hell for any City Slicker it is out there mosquitoes crocodiles buffal God that picture is amazing yeah it is a spectacular place and virtually untouched so that's very w wow that's a crazy thing about Australia is the population that you guys have essentially the population of Los Angeles in a place as big as the continental United States yeah thank Christ for that yeah it's nice yeah it is nice even when we went to like you go to a nice city like Melbourne like God it's beautiful yeah that's like a little

95:19country town for you guys yeah oh it is it's tin it's like Boulder Colorado and we like get us out of here there's too much traffic so uh you're in Aram land and what happened I'm in arnam land and I shoot this massive big ball Pig and it runs down so I shot it and it just ran down it was just on the edge of the water and and it's fading like it's seconds away from dying and um I walk over there and as I walk over there I sort of sit down and just give the animal its peace you know I don't want to give it an adrenaline rush or anything like that cuz it could take longer for it to die so I just sit down quietly and snap massive big saltwater crocodile just lunges out of the water and grabs his Pig and starts swimming it out across this River who I was seconds away from walking down there and essentially dragging that pig back up the bank of bit so I get photos that Croc was

96:11sitting right there like within seconds that crocodile was sitting on the edge of the bank or just under the water where it could grab that pig that's how quick it can happen people walk down go I'll just be quick I'm just going to wash my face really quick it's always hot there so the most appealing thing in the heat is like you see water and it's like oh water go down there I'm just going to Splash a bit of water over me face and arms will'll be real quick gone and they go for anything yeah they go for anything so they don't have a they don't have a reluctance to kill people at all definitely not and then um there's oh Jesus look at this got an elephant by the nose well that's not a strride there's a bloody elephant there yeah that's a Nile Croc there goes your pay Jamie still a crocodile aren't they the same animals n yeah what's the difference between the crocodiles in

96:57Australia and those I don't know those are in uh Florida now yeah in Florida Florida is just overrun with not everybody if you're listening if you're listening in Florida and you're a nice person I I appreciate St Owen Legend yeah um the crocodiles in uh the Nile crocodiles have been in uh introduced to Florida have just released them into the Everglades no it's not they have a a shoot to kill I'm being sarcastic I know I know you are I was being sarcastic back they have a a shoot on site order like you see a n crocodile you're supposed to kill it on site because they're they're terrified them developing a sustainable population cuz the crocodiles they have the native crocodiles in Florida are small but they're very aggressive they're way more aggressive than alligators but they're smaller yeah but now they have these Nile Crocs which just absolute Savage and just swallow a person H and

97:50you're talking about the Everglades which is just overrun with things for them to eat so there there's a high likelihood of them achieving a large size where did they get that R from they're people have them as Pets the same thing as pythons you know the python situation in Florida yeah so people have had them had them as pets and then released them into the wild is that how they got there yeah they get too big they this man I'mma Let It Go I'm hey you little crocodile go out and enjoy the Wild and they think they're doing the right thing by releasing this thing into the swamps and well they have a breeding population now they have a breeding population of Nile crocodiles in Florida yeah so back to the Australian introduced species it like it didn't stop at foxes they kept making these mistakes you know the can toads we have a lot of trouble with the cane toads now

98:36cane toads can toad what's a cane toad oh they're virtually overtaken Australia they're going to have their own businesses and run for Parliament and everything eventually what are they they're like a big toad you're making your you're opening your hands like a pizza they're freaking oh not a pizza oh my God there's a can to whoa that thing's huge it's like a bunny rabbit they got these glands on their back and it's got a poisonous toxin in it oh that's great and so our bird Wildlife our snakes I know you hate snakes but they're snakes are protected in Australia by the way you can't just go and kill the snake when you want and they've still got their place there 100% snakes have got their place in Australia the snakes eat them and these poisonous toxins will kill out the snakes they'll kill that bird life just they're they're just horrific Jesus look at the size of

99:21these things so why did they bring don't quote me but I'm pretty sure they brought him in to fight off a cane Beetle that was eating our cane crops and there's that many other bugs in that that the K to would have been like yeah I'll just eat what I want what a stupid thing can't we learn well people are very very infantile with the the perspective on the ecosystem like the the idea that you could just oh we got a little problem here I got there's a little opening I'll stick a slot in there just shove a predator in there and it'll fill that opening like they did consider all the other animals that this thing would eat if they want to do something what they should do instead of introducing like this this check your load for a cane toad check your load go check your load jeez cane toads are great stowaways and can be easily transported in your goods and Luggage

100:10when you are packing up to leave from an area where cane toads are present it is important to thoroughly check that you are not accident carrying a ke to wow they're not a good thing Tasmanian tiger the tasan yeah it's like extinct now right but they got the DNA from one they're going to reinduce something let's do it are they going to reintroduce one they the DNA from them they won't but they should now if they had wanted to introduce that if they wanted to take the DNA from a Tasmanian tiger and reintroduce it wouldn't they have to have something that was like a similar animal and and reintroduce it like possibly I don't know how works I think I got that from Jurassic Park probably I'm pretty sure that's true though I think that's how they do it well then that they said they were going to do with the woolly mammoth like there was this Russian scientists that were

100:57thinking about reintroducing the woolly mammoth and they were going to use the DNA from a woolly mammoth from some you know fossilized something or another and they were going to combine it with the DNA from a regular elephant okay I think that'd be interesting I think I think in some cases like that you know not trying to be God or anything but that should happen it's a good thing right tiger I think it it's only extinct because of human interactions right so I don't know I don't know either but 90% of everything's extinct 90% of everything that's ever lived it's like where do you draw the line do we bring back dinosaurs you know when do we draw the line that'd be good hunting Oo we bring back Bigfoot would you hun a T-Rex um if there's enough of them what if they taste good imagine that cuz alligators taste good well they do yeah have you eaten one yep John Dudley kills him all

101:47the time he eats him yeah he's a slay he's a slay yeah he said that their tails um like alligator tail like the meat from them is apparently like more rich in protein than like elk or moose really that's crazy should be packing that into the back country it's supposed to be like really good for you super lean cook it quick sear it sear it alligator so our crocodiles back home are protected as well oh Jesus there's no tag or anything for them you can't kill a crocodile you can't kill a crocodile no no what they they relocate them so so the city go kill something over here please yeah the the the city in the Northern Territory which is is all part of Aram Land There is is Darwin City and the river runs right into the City and there's crocodiles right in there so guys will go out clubbing or you know drinking and get drunk and think it's a good idea to jump in the

102:36river for a swim in Yahoo and oh no they'll get snatched so they catch all these crocodiles and they release them like you miles and miles away and these things come straight back into the same spot and they're like these this is what I'm hearing about these Bears right yeah they catch these problem bears and they release them where near I'm hunting unfortunately but they catch these problem bears and they release them miles away and then a week later they show back up to the same destination it's crazy they know how to get back they have some sort of internal Compass one of the things about saltwater crocodiles it's so terrifying is a friend of mine was telling me that they were on some sort of a boat and they were like uh deep out into the ocean miles out and they saw a s water crocodile swimming out there and I went what like how how far he said I think he

103:23said he was something like 3 to 5 miles away from Shore and this crocodile is just out there swimming by itself crazy probably probably going to eat a great white shark or some it's a goddamn dinosaur how look at that thing yeah that's crazy when when cam came out and we're up in Arland and I was telling him about all the dangerous you know like a crocodile you know there's crocodiles in any bit of water here you won't even know and there will be a crocodile in there and how Buffalo charged and scrub Bulls charger and I told him about all the poisonous bushes and everything and at the end of one day we got we got back with like half hour light and because I didn't pack any food in we had to catch fish every day or try and shoot some shoot something to eat so we got back half an hour early one afternoon we're like we'll go for a quick fish we got to catch some fish you

104:11know we got to get some some food into us and we walk out and it's stinking hot it's like 56° C they like sweating it out B what that like Fahrenheit is it like 110 that's probably even a bit higher really yeah it's hot and I'm like oh we might be able to swim in one of the rock pools you don't want to swim out in the ocean cuz one of them Crocs is going to Jesus Christ a 50 is 122 what's 56 oh my God Jack it up baby 50 oh Jesus 132 yeah walk in the park 132° temperature oh that's why we're drinking Buffalo piss cuz you had to keep hydrated or die what does it feel like to be out in a home 132° temperature you get used to it how the do you get used to that it'sing it's like that my all my guys that work for me working that temperature all summer you could slow cook a ham at 150° yeah you could there was Birds dying around us really there's a little video where I've got

105:08like it might be a frog mouth ow or a tny owl and it's just that hot that it's just it's on the ground it's it's out you know because it hasn't had obviously a bit of HTO on that day and anyway so we're going out and there's a rock pool I'm like well it'll be safe to swim in that rock pool and the tide had gone out we got big Tides like 7 m Tides you know that come in and out every day and the tide had been in and when it had gone out had left a bunch of box jellyfish in that little pool then the ocean itself were all fishing in you wouldn't be able to dip your hand in the water without getting stung by box jellyfish and box jellyfish will kill you oh you're dead dude that was a that was a 4 and 1/2 hour Chopper fly out to get there cuz we did it in the wet season you couldn't drive any of the roads um I had to hire a helicopter to to get us out there so

105:54it would have been 4 and 1/2 hours for a helicopter to come in and then 4 and 1/2 hours back to the hospital you're dead in that time you're dead in the first hour like it's yeah you've got to have your wits about you in that sort of country for sure so bar jellyfish what do they look like they unusual tiny they're nearly clear they're like oh that yeah look look at that and that'll kill you instantly and that's the one thing I didn't tell Cam about and we get out to the rocks and I'm like all the crazy that I've told you dude that's what would have killed us here if we jumped in the water like oh let's just jump in for a quick dip wow who's that Mad Boss that's that crazy from River Monsters wow look at that one that got that guy's leg go go back to that leg picture Jamie Go full screen on that man sick tattoo yeah well I think you keep that for Life probably

106:46right did that person just get close enough to the never go near the water again is it like an antivenom oh is that a baby oh God damn oneyear old oh my God that's There Will Smith was in a movie remember and he's going to uh donate his organs at the end of the movie and he's going to that's how he commits suicide he's going to jump in a bath with box jellyfish what movie was that I don't know I am Legend that's scarier than I am Legend yeah it is kind of I mean there's so many monsters that exist 7 lb 7 lb but that's the what is that movie about uh I think that's the one with the the kid kid a kid isn't that the one where he's poor like he becomes a successful person there's a scene oh I don't want to see that I'll get that thing away from me oh it this is he actually does kill himself so he actually does yeah and he tips the box jellyfish in the water with him now oh

107:45get out of here I don't want to see this get yes you do you're coming out get the out of here that's a movie he dies with box jellyfish that's it's a way to die there it is nice oh get the out of they're not even that big get that out of here Jamie I don't want to say it oh Jesus anyway when you come out I won't take any of the ocean why are there so many things that kill you take them in the ocean then the shark why there's so many things that kill you because people weren't supposed to live in Australia it's true that's what I always think about work cuz it's so freaking hot it's so desolate that it's like it just wasn't design for people this part of the earth no that's how I think well people didn't live then so they didn't balance it out it's some of the oldest Earth on earth work that actually I shouldn't say people didn't live there western dummies like you and

108:29I white people we definitely didn't the indigenous people that live there they did they lived on the mainland and um there's actually actually some really interesting areas up there it's called the dampier aripo in the pillur region of Western Australia and there's over 70,000 uh rock art in the area they still don't know the significance of it but 70,000 Rock arts in that area wow kangaroos sea turtles creatures that we don't even exist anymore when you look at the picture you're like was that a real animal that drawing or they just like I'm just going to around dud so they don't even know whether or not it was a real thing cuz it doesn't exist anymore doesn't exist anymore wow yeah well the the kangaroo thing we were talking about that before the podcast we said we're going to show this video um I did not know that kangaroos were protected like you can't just shoot

109:20kangaroos over there all of our native animals can't hunt any of our native animals in Australia everything we can hunt there's 27 or 28 species are all introduced they're an invasive species like a feral pest that's why we're allowed to hunt them it's not like the American system where you're hunting your natives you know like your white tail and elk and everything like that and that's why we don't have a tag season or we don't have any any any Seasons at all in New South Wales have just introduced a season in the last couple of years and there's one spe species of deer in um Victoria the lower part of Australia where you need a tag for that's it all those other species you don't need a tag for and there's no season what species of uh why do you need a tag for those oh there's not a bunch of them and they're trying to manage them it's really good what they're doing they're doing a good

110:11job H so the kangaroo thing I had no idea that the numbers of kangaroos were as high as they are so you were telling me about this looks like a kangaroo plague and then Jamie pulled the video up and this is insane just Google kangaroo plague Australia and what you see is something from a horror movie it looks like thousands of kangaroos I mean I have no idea how many of there are but they're just running across this field like ants I bet you if that had ant L they wouldn't Jesus I mean it is completely insane when you look at that video I no idea yeah so that's crazy it's like I was saying the same people that are like you can't call the king kangaroos you know you can't hunt the kangaroos you can't shoot the kangaroos well kangaroos are a deer species right I don't think so I think they're like a marsupial cousin of a deer okay I I think they even taste like deer they

111:08taste good really rich red meat super super lean lot of the lot lot of the bodybuilders and stuff like that love kangaroo meat when did kangaroo start getting jok yoked up what they always had big muscles they've always had big muscles we didn't see that in America until recently no really the internet over the last few years has showed usang choking each other out there they're doing whs and and pumping this that's what it looks like they're giant there's a video of those two kangaroos fighting one kangaroo chokes the other one unconscious look at that kangaroo yeah that's normal like come on man that's incredible we never saw kangaroos like that when I was a kid yeah so that's that looks like a big red kangaroo there some the the red ones are the biggest ones right y yeah they're huge my friend Eddie if was in Australia he does a done a bunch of standup out there and he was

111:54out there with some Australians and I forget what the story look at the that doesn't even look real man that does not look real you want to arm wrestle come on oh that man so that was what what happened with Eddie he got out of the car for some reason and he saw this kangaroo and he thought it was a statue cuz it was so big he thought it was he thought it wasn't real he said it was like seven feet tall I like there's no way this is a real kangaroo he literally thought it was a statue because he was sitting there and his friend start screaming get back in the car and the thing turns around and looks at him and then he realized that this giant thing in front of them was an actual kangaroo and apparently they're very aggressive oh if they're cornered or they feel threatened they they'll kick your stomach out cuz what they do is they latch on you with their claws

112:40they've actually got a real big claw they got claws like that they latch on you yeah and then they balance their s on their tail and they kick with both legs and they got like a single toenail that's like look at that that is insane that does not look real and the fact that they can balance that way on their back Tails incredible so they'll balance on their back tiles and they'll kick with both their legs and then yeah look how he's like balancing himself that's so strange it's such a strange animal God that is a bizarre flexing come on mate calm down 200 lb ripped kangaroo crushes metal oh my God look at him he's he's he's bending cans look at the arms in this they're so strange they're a cool animal oh they're very cool if you come up the farm when you come out to Australia you'll see you'll see kangaroo fights they do it all day beat the out of each other yeah do they

113:36always choke each other out cuz this some new are they learning how to do this no that's pretty oh I'll spinning back kick that thing right in the chest he want some yeah he's pissed I wonder if he can take a leg kick I always think uh if I was going to with a kangaroo I would just arm drag him and take his back I bet if you take his back he w't know what to do oh I don't know take his back I don't know find out choke him we'll test it out when we get there need some like thick clothing like Kevlar something where he can't cut your guts out yeah cuz you know it probably won't even go for your face right probably go for your guts oh go for your guts KCK you in the guts if you can protect that if you can figure out a way to like move in them Juke them fake them get them to move get a hold of one of them paws arm drag them get the back I'm going to film

114:25it I'm filming it for sure it's going to be awesome be on the news Jo tries to take on a kangaroo today and gets his stomach kicked out this is how I die by getting chok there's a bunch of these videos of these kangaroos choking each other out yeah I've never seen them choke each other out oh there's a great video um these two kangaroos are fighting in like a Suburban neighborhood and they're in a street in one kangaroo he gets like a like a what you would call like a vice grip clamp like in you would use or wrestling you would like clamp you like you scoop the back of someone's neck like this with one arm and the other arm comes down and you clamp down like this this is it and he chokes him to sleep this has got to be camra for sure see if you can find this I don't think this is they just start kicking each other's asses but they're in a like a regular neighborhood

115:10each other up but see if you oh look at that he just you should CTI this I should but it's all the standard moves it's very uh Rock robots look how they snap each other's heads back too yeah two good box yeah they only go for the guts oh look at that move though I like how they balance on that tail that is really crazy see if you can find kangaroo chokes out other kangaro because he puts him to sleep like literally gets the clamp down on him and then turns his neck like that's another thing we invented in Australia choke outs yeah I don't think kangaroos did people learn from kangaroos maybe maybe maybe school too the K I bet people didn't know that you could choke people out until they saw someone do it right yeah here it is so he they they start going at it and one kangaroo you see if you can find out where he does it see yeah see he gets he gets a front head

116:11lock see the one kangaroo is kind of being a here I'm tired I like to fun here it is so he's got the clamp see look at the clamp he gets a hold of the neck and he's bending his neck in a really funny way and he traps the head up against his chest I mean this is like a Japanese neck tie right here and he he grabs a hold of it and he's clamping down on it it's not even like he's paying attention it's like he's looking for girls hey hey ladies he knows he's got this look at him I wonder if he's done that before that's got this unlocked baby so he he clamps down on it and he holds it in place and the kangaroo fights for a little while and then bam passes out that's awesome and he's like what bit what what a bizarre bodied animal there's nothing like them we got it's we're so used to seeing these animals that they don't seem weird to US ah but when I think about it I'm like these things are

117:04on two legs yeah what else is on two legs nothing have you ever seen a platypus well they kind of go on the front leg like look at there yeah when they're just walking along but have you ever seen a platypus not in real life ah platypus is just crazy to look at even for me and I've grown up with platypus they used to be in the the creeks and the rivers around home they they're just so weird to look at and the kidna and just when I start thinking about our species like the wombat The Wombats are just crazy they dig they're all over the farm you'll see them everywhere when you come out um they just dig these massive big holes and they're just they're the craziest creature you've ever seen it's just like the a big big fat Stumpy rat I know the name wanat but honestly I couldn't pick one out of a lineup I don't really know what it looks like but what let's get to

117:51that K what is it kitna what is it how you say it a kidna kidna kidna I want to see what a kidna is first what's a kid it's just it just looks like a porcupine oh it's better than a porcupine dud that's I could find I looked it up your shit's jacked again yeah they got this crazy beak only one uh ear again Jamie it's got a crazy beak it's got a crazy beak sniffs out like ants in in an ant mound and it'll dig out the ants it'll go it'll dig out ants in logs it sniffs them out and just look at that dude how crazy is that yeah that's a kidna yeah me and the kids were just um there's one on the road the other day a beak yeah it's got a full that's a beak y hedgehogs look like that kind of that's better than a hedgehog that looks like a hedgehog definitely better than a hedgehog what's that thing get rid of it come on part bird it's got a beak like a bird it's part sick awesome animal that's

118:50what it is W look at that what a bizarre little thing so there was one on the road digging the other day well the other month now cuz I've been away for so long and uh me and the kids whenever we see them on the road we will move them off the road and the kids got out and and you can actually although those spikes are super sharp but you can actually touch them because it's taken up so much room on your hand like you know there's 100 spikes on each hand you can actually touch them and uh we we moved this thing off the road and and and the kids were even normal about it they're like oh yeah cool Kida you know cuz they've seen him 100 times and I was like anyone that wasn't from Australia though that was seeing this for the first time this animal with a beak when I started thinking about it and these turn back claws like their claws turned back like that it's for digging right

119:32right craziest animal in the world when you think about it in that sense you know if you'd never ever seen one before and you come across it for the first time you be like whoa look at this thing this thing's crazy yeah it's like a porcupine the duck right doesn't it look like that like kind of like how does they have a beak that's not a bad like a platypus too they're that's a they like eggs but they're a mammal yeah and they got like a the big duck beak it's crazy and they lay but the laying of the eggs is so strange like what is that they got a poisonous Spike as well they do yeah where is it underneath them like it might be like a anal Spike or something like that yeah interesting not nice I probably wouldn't want to play around yeah don't finger it butt just it's the wide variety of animal life is very weird it's very weird when you think about how many different things and then

120:22again what you were talking about about the introduction of foxes and and and cats that they all fit into a system like look at that thing there's a PL so it has like this funky like kind of furry Beaver looking tail it has a the tiniest little dots for eyes yeah webbed feet what have you ever eaten Beaver no had Beaver with ranella it's really good really yeah it's delicious man it tastes like beef I didn't like the sand of it I know I wouldn't either I wouldn't have normally even thought that you could eat it but uh he he killed one and then uh brazed it and then slow cooked it and it was like a pot roast with like potatoes and carrots it was delicious think after being in Bear Camp I could never eat a beaver cuz remember the dead beavers in Bear Camp oh yeah yeah I was just it's the thought now really yeah I couldn't do it I could unless I was slightly

121:18hungry I'd do it yeah slightly I'm telling you if St vanilla cooked you a bowl of this Beaver pot roast or whatever the it is that he made it was amazing it was really good it sounds good it was like like a strange beef like what an like maybe a strange beef yeah like you turning me off again you had me like a beef from I was like all right now like where is this this is beef from Nicaragua oh interesting it's got a different flavor to it you know what I mean it's like got a it's just it's like it's reminiscent of beef like a cousin of beef that's what it tastes like a cousin a beef it's very weird and it's kind of fatty and it's kind of like tender yeah okay well Steve will have to hook me up on a I'm telling you you'd be shocked somewhere around along the line they made it illegal to hunt them for food though they're a fur bearing animal so you have to have a fur Trappers license in

122:09America to eat them yeah but there's people at the turn of the century like renella is amazing in his knowledge of the history of animals in America and the history of hunting in America but apparently many many many years ago um Beaver trapping and beaver pelts were so valuable that the richest man in the world in like you know like the early 1800s made all of his money from beaver pelts really yeah we should bring that back in I kill some B I think it was before felt and once they came up with felt like for hats and stuff like that cuz the gentlemen wore felt hats they uh they didn't need beaver As Much Anymore and beaver kind of fell out of out of favor and people stopped stopped doing that I wonder how big uh numbers the beaver population dropped at that time oh G that what yeah sort of history behind animals you know when they've got that value on them and there's just an open

123:07Slaughter is what seems to drive a lot of things to Extinction well that's one of the interesting things about America like if you buy elk or venison in America most of it is from New Zealand which is really strange reason is you can't like Market hunting was like a giant factor in the slaughter of countless amounts of Buffalo of elk of deer even analou like they killed everything back in the day and it was a lot of men returning from the war at the turn of the century that just went on you know these trips and that was that's the way that you could make money the way you could make money is uh go go hunting for meat and that's and they brought that meat to Market yeah I mean the I think the idea of these animals being like Precious and preserved and wild life the way we think of it they didn't have these thoughts in the 1800s they were just it was a resource and and

124:04they just abused it and they just sh I mean we've all seen the photos of the stacks of Buffalo yeah definitely a lot of them are just for the hides where we are today is definitely I think a lot of people think that's still happening today like Hunters are still that sort of person whereas Hunters are the ultimate conserv ation is now and the system that America's got in place is the best system anywhere in the world where there's a tag there's a season they they manage and regulate the population so so let's just say uh elk the numbers were um down the following year Well there'd be less tags available it's as simple as that and that's why it's such a good system in Australia we don't have that that system in place but in a sense it's pushed pushed all the responsibility back on Hunters like I I can tell you now you Australian Hunters are some of the best hunters in the

124:56world because they've got to conserve and they've got to manage their resources their self there's nothing in place to say well we're only giv 500 tags away for that area this year um because numbers are down Hunters as much as we are conserv uh conservationist um we're not going to go out and just Slaughter the numbers you know they they're they're an in species into Australia they are bad to the environment if the numbers are too big and Hunters treat them like that we we're we're not going to go out and wipe out the whole population so um hter are very good at uh you know there's only 20 bucks in this area at the moment and there's cuz there should be a certain Buck too ratio there's only 20 bucks in this area at the moment we're not going to kill n of them there's going to be one Buck left you know we're going to kill the oldest buck in that area there's only 20 there let's just kill

125:51the oldest buck in that area that's a good population um it's sustainable they're not damaging the environment in that number um and I think there's a big difference there between the American and the Australian hunter in in that sense that um you guys would do the same thing don't get me wrong if there wasn't a tag in place or a season in place you today's society would do the same thing cuz we've learned from the past some some would but there's a bunch of people that wouldn't you know there's the majority though yeah the majority but uh I think there's quite a few that wouldn't you know that's that's uh I mean that that is one of the the main stereotypes of the hunter is like beer drinking shooting everything that moves and I feel today that it couldn't be further from the truth it seems like there's more of the responsible Hunter the one that's got a good job or or or a

126:48good business or whatever it is that goes out and you you're been the perfect example of that I wanted to thank you when I first come on the show that the light that you've shown on Hunting is is how Hunters are today the majority of hunters are today we're just not these Savage killer machines that are just like yeah kill it you know we're very conservative in a sense um you know it's not just about going out and getting a shot off if you are that sort of Hunter I believe you're in it for all the wrong reasons um it's about the experience the connection with with the outdoors that that meat that precious meat you know that you get off each each one of those animals also the money that we spend on gear the money that you spend on Outfitters trips that money and tags in particular all goes to conservation to preserving the habitat of these animals and a lot of these animals like

127:38especially like white tailed deer there's more white tailed deer here in America today than there were when Columbus came here and some of the incomes all some of these small towns rely on right yes is is is through hunting and something that I've always pushed cuz it's frowned upon in Australia in a big way because it's it's not the typical thing to do hunting's not no definitely not definitely not and it's and it's not accepted like it is here in America how did you get into it I got myself into it which was really really weird ho were asking me the same thing they're like oh so did your dad hunt I'm like no you know like I come from a broken family um I seen a bow up in a store and I was like um what's that thing cuz it was like a compound bow you I'm like what's that thing and he's like oh it's a bow and so I end up buying the bow and when I bought the bow he gave me

128:27like it was just a black and white magazine like I was only7 I'd run around with a like a fiberglass pole with a string bend on it before and used to make my own arrows like Robin Hood stuff you know but never had seen anything like that and the magazine he gave me was a guy with a massive big water buffalo on the front cover and I'm like you can kill things with this you know and I was like the majority of people that never hunted been like like like so you can kill a rabbit with one Arrow but if you're going to shoot a buffalo it must like take 20 arrows so I was like at the time like he must have shot it like 20 times or something like that to kill it no a rabbit's got a pair of lungs a buffalo's got a pair of lungs you putting hole through both of those lungs that thing's dead in the same amount of time well now I've shot a bunch of Buffalo you know and it's just

129:11like that's the craziest thing isn't it it was just like there was a guy in a magazine with a buffalo dead and I was like you can kill things with that and now I'm like this full-blown Hunter you know and it's just how did what was the process though so you got a bow and did you take lessons did you teach yourself lessons just taught myself well now what year is this um well I was 17 I'm 20 uh not 20 I wish I was 20 29th is tomorrow in to here right it's my birthday in Australia today so I'm 30 36 so I was 17 at the time so it would have been 97 so it's almost 20 years it's almost 20 years you're dealing with with very little internet back down right no internet no internet yeah so even though we invented Wi-Fi we no internet you guys didn't have Australia internet we probably did like I said I was poor I didn't know but you're not my point is you're not getting any

130:06information teaching learn all your own mistakes that's why I was I I actually was a big part of a bow hunting Forum in Australia for many years and I just like if I had that when I was coming up through Bing the time energy and money that I would have saved d by by just getting the right information straight off the internet like being able to do research or or even ask going to a club and there's you know there's 20 other guys at the club that you could at least get information out of I never had any of that but still got killed you know that's what I always say to people you know you you don't need the best of everything if your budget can only afford you you know some recurve bow and some cheaper arrows I guarantee you're still going to be successful with that that gear if you put in the time there there's no doubt about it um so I I just had this cheap bow cheap arrows probably

131:04didn't even wear camouflage at the time and just went out into the outdoors and just worked it out myself exper myself was pre- range finders pre- range finders so how did you decide like where to a it was a guess it was you were use no well it was you were using your own knowledge you're using your own skills that's what sucks about some of today's technology and that cuz you lose that right right you're using a rangefinder you're relying on a rangefinder I still go out to the range sometimes where I'll just go around shooting clumps of grass or whatever with no Rangefinder guess the distance have a shot then range it just just so you get to learn distances and know distances um I'm pretty good up to like 30 yards no 10 no release aids dude right so did fing all fingers when did you start using a release Aid um I don't know what year it was but um 10 years in

131:59yeah about 10 years in were you making your own arrows who was making arrows make my own arrows they all Timber arrows like you use timber arrows the big two blade broaded um you're saying Timber is that what you're saying Timber yeah Timber like wood yeah okay so wood arrows you're making your own wood arrows yeah like you're cutting your own dowels in the whole deal some guys did you'd be able to just buy you know like 12 dows already spine that'd all be spine tested to say 80 PBS and then you'd glue your broaded on you'd sharpen the front up you'd glue your broaded on you glued it on yeah you glue your broaded on hm no inserts there's yeah and then feathers you'd use 5 in fevers on everything wow and just fingers on the string free fingers on the string no sights or anything like that it was just open-sided it was very instinctive shooting or some guys would use the

132:49arrow and line up down the arrow they hour at the animal but um a lot of the times were're effective out to 50 60 70 M if you did enough practice you're still effective out to those ranges but it took a lot more time did you wear your arrows and wear your broadheads yeah you'd wear your arrows and broadheads so you kind of kept them in a certain range yeah you'd keep them all identical you'd spin test them all once you put your broaded on them um You' you could get spine testers back in those days and you'd spine test them and you'd turn your shaft to get to the closest spine it wouldn't be perfect on each one we're talking timber here right and You' get your spine pretty accurate on each one you'd glue your Broadhead on in that sense and you and your uh your knock as well so so though everyone was spying the same up and down yeah wow dude you're godamn Pioneer yeah it was simple

133:37oh no that's fun you're basically like a mountain man one them Trappers I came over here on some Beaver skinn canoe that's you have to practice a lot so I can go I'll go out with my I got the ho defiant there and I'll sight that bow in and you know I can I'll just shoot once a week or whatever you know if I can shoot daily I will but with traditional gear you had to shoot daily you had to have I'd have 50 or 100 arrows every single day just just to keep the skill level up um and it was same shooting a bow that was open sights you know no sights or anything like that in fingers you had to constantly shoot that bow to be to be accurate so it's almost like throwing a rock and that you got to kind of have a sense of how far it's going to go with the amount of effort exactly like throwing a rock yeah and where to pick it up so that you like if you know it's a certain distance away you know

134:27you kind of in your head know the Arc of the arrow yeah I wouldn't get a new bow every year because I would if you got a new bow you had to start all over again whereas I knew the cast of that bow you know I know where an arrow fell I know where an arrow shot flat to yeah um but like I said you hunting I used to kill just as much back then as I do with today's technology but I got to spend less time with today's technology technology well you're also in Australia which is very different cuz you what you were saying is you hun all year you can hunt all year round you can shoot things every day you can shoot as many animals as you want exactly so you could go out in one day and kill 12 Deer and that's fine you just take them and give the me away or your friends it wouldn't if you you wouldn't unless you were just culling because the numbers have got so bad um like you could you could you

135:14definitely could yeah and there'd be no one would bad an eye at this and then you just have a lot of friends and just give give them the meat exactly do you uh do you wind up giving a lot of your meat away heaps heaps heaps yeah um I I like shooting a deer while they're fat so before they go into the rut because they go into the rut fat and they come out looking like a greyhound you know they just they're just lost so much condition um so I like to shoot a couple of deer before the rut and um they've also got a lot of fat on them at that point which is really good for making sausages I like making my own sausages I'll fill the freezer with that and then I've just got a list of just family like put friends aside I've just got a list of family that will take the meat off me um which is really good cuz especially with the deer a lot of the deer meat gets all used some of our big

136:02mountain BS and things like that I'm not a big fan of eating them big rank BS you know it's just it's super super gamey but still doesn't go to waste it's dog meter it goes back in the mother nature right there and then have you uh ever bred them like BR a bore i' like to try but my buddy Antonio does all that sort of stuff and he makes those um like like big cranky sausages like a cured sausage man delicious awesome yeah apparently like if you cook them well those old bores are really delicious you just have to know how to like brine them and cook them well the Europeans love them yeah so so we've got our professional like pig hunters back home that hunt for human consumption the meat goes to human consumption and the majority of it gets sent overseas like they love it and they pay big dollars for it how do they consume it in like about sausage or anything I suppose I

136:55think the whole the whole animal gets shipped over right but I wonder what they how they mainly eat it don't I H the rut is a crazy thing man and most people aren't aware but deer and elk and I guess Stags and a lot of those other animals they only have sex once a year mhm so all year it's kind of crazy but what a crazy design like Nature has it set up so most of the year they're not even horny yeah yeah then one time a year they lose their minds just crazy don't eat don't drink that's the only thing on their mind just go ballistic all day long sometimes all night long I've never hunted deer in the Rut I've only hunted deer you know uh in Wisconsin in season and uh in uh Montana we uh hunted deer and they weren't in the Rut but apparently when they're in the Rut they lose their marbles but I've seen elk in the Rut and it's the most bizarre thing can't even control their tongue

137:51their tongue hanging out their dick is flopping up and down when they scream literally they have a rod going all the time they're all over their chest they're screaming at the top of their lungs it's our red stags they put their head between their legs like they're in the Rut they'll put their head between their legs they piss in their mouth right they hold it all in their mouth then they gurgle it as they Trot along so all the spray goes all over their body what like imagine doing that before sex like just yeah I just got to get this dumb babe you know I'm just got to piss in my mouth and spray all over I got to get ready baby you know how I feel about you happy they are when that happens like they prancing around like I'm King I wonder what that's all about like what kind of evolutionary Advantage is there to pissing in your own mouth and spraying up reckon we ever done that and then

138:38they're just like you know we're not going to write this bid in anymore because it's just drastic we really don't need it there's no benefit you get yellow tap you yeah you just lie on your shoulders you put your ass up in the air and you just piss hold on the back of your knees you got to scoop them and pull your dick towards your face it's hard but it's awesome to see in nature I got to see that see if you can find that is it a red deer yeah Red Deer I think a rooster deer might do it too super Med are there the ones that roar like a lion what a weird noise that is so people that a lot of people don't even realize there's deer in Australia there's six pieces in Australia and they'll go out camping and they'll hear that and they and you know they're like oh there's a big cat in Australia you know like because that's like a bit of a myth you know like

139:25there's big cats in Australia and that's what makes a lot of people think of it you know they're like we're scared shitless we couldn't sleep last night and I'm like where was it where's the spot I want to know where the spot is cuz I know it's a deer right yeah well did you hear that there was a rumor for like years and years and years people had talked about spotting big cats in the UK and then they found out that there was a Sanctuary that released Big Cats yes they just admitted to it then in the '90s I think late ' 80s or the '90s they had released like a couple of pumas in the UK Countryside Pumas yes so Pumas Puma pumis no like the sneaker Puma like uh welcome to America oh here he is he's pissing oh yeah look he's pissing in his mouth what in the hell and he loves it have you tried it don't knock it give it a go no look he's pissing all over himself he doesn't even look like he's

140:17in the r he's just doing it for the of it you don't think he's in the Rut there's another stag there you should be beating the out of it well he's a little one though the other stag is Big he probably got to be real careful he with that other dude are they penned up he's not doing it right yeah he should be like pissing right in his mouth so he can Gogle it well that's the thing in New Zealand right New Zealand a lot of the Stags are they're high fence I hate it I don't want to piss off some Hunters that do it but closed range is like against everything that I'm about cuz it's it's a fake currency for what hunting is you get these massive big red stacks and just crazy inches on top of inches no one ever writes this is the closed range stag that I shot in New Zealand no one ever writes that they just like oh got a big red stag you know blah BL blah and and so many Hunters

141:02that that aren't educated in that sense and I'm not having a stabbed them from not being educated they shouldn't have to be in that sense are looking at that going oh that's what you can expect when you go to New Zealand or Australia no it's freaking not they're penned animals right and they feed them high protein food they feed them high protein food they're they're being genetically bread it's just all that crazy that's the fake currency of a red stag in Australia and New Zealand free range red stags aren't like that if you shoot a free range Red Stag like that in Australia or New Zealand that's going to be the record right that's going to be the absolute record that's not the true that's not the example of what you can expect if you come to Australia or New Zealand and Hunt free range isn't that the that's the difference between free range and fair Chase and these high

141:48fence operations and it's very it's a very contentious argument because a lot of people are growing these white tailed deer in America and they're again they're introducing this crazy food to their diet and they're they're growing these ridiculous racks that don't even look like racks have you ever seen those they look like bushes growing out of their head and they look so fake yeah I don't I think they're ugly they are ug enjoy looking at them I don't enjoy looking at them either it looks weird it's like like some sort of a strange weird bred dog or something like when you see their antlers and you know they're 290 white tails like what is that it should because hunting should be so natural and that's so far from being natural especially when it's Wildlife I'm not talking about walking around with a stick and string that you've carved out of a tree yourself I'm

142:32talking about just a natural environment landscape and animal yeah well animals that are living in the wild literally no interaction with people other than when the hunter especially what you're dealing with because you're dealing with very few hunters and like expansive areas where very few people even go into it yeah yeah and they don't muck around they see you and they're gone like that there's no like oh what that dude might have food in his pocket I'm going to walk over there and have a feed no they're like what the there's another big issue in America where they have these feeders and these people they put a blind outside of a feeder and then the feeder goes off at a certain time and these people sit in the Blind and wait for the feeder to go off cuz the deer programmed to come towards the feeder when it's going off and you just whack them yeah I'm not interested in that

143:19myself but I don't I don't frown upon it like they call it baiting right well what it is is it's like meat acquisition it's not really hunting I mean it's probably better for the animal and they've put the effort in to set that up right and trick that animal so it's a little bit like like I said it's not my style of hunting but the it's the free range thing really gets me I don't want to go on about it cuz I'm going to upset too many people but I know what you're saying but think about what you were saying earlier about your experience in Montana you're you know 11 days in 12 miles deep into the Woods by yourself that's the real deal yeah yeah I mean that is as real as it gets but there's a thing about hunting where you know people that are really into bow hunting look down on people that shoot with a rifle people that are really into Wilderness hunting and fair Chase look

144:04down on people that hunt high fense and I I you know there's uh I get the arguments I even get the arguments for some high fence like a friend of mine went to this high fence operation in uh Texas and I was like man that seems kind of crazy that these animals are all penned and he's like it's 10 ,000 Acres he's like the fence circles 10,000 acres he goes but they're put there right or they're genetically they're put there they're AIS deer and all sorts of like Neil guy and all sorts of weird foreign species he's like yeah they have been put there but they're they're wild like they're Roman wild I'm like man that's a weird argument then cuz I get it I mean like I'm not totally look if I needed to hunt for meat it's a good way to do it right even if it's only a few hundred acres you know the animals are there you just go find them and get them for meat but even if it's 10,000 acres like at

144:54what range is it really wild is it wild at 50,000 acres is it wired at Wild at 100,000 acres like if it's fenced in if there's a fence anywhere for me it's just got to be unfenced period so when I went to Africa I got I got pretty stitched up when I went to Africa and it cuz it's just like an operation it's just an income form you know stitched up what do you mean by that stitched up over oh yeah yeah by the outfit of there like he was just he was a con artist basically but um I don't want to go into too much detail but so I was supposed to go straight into Zimbabwe and Hunt Buffalo Kate Buffalo and those are dangerous yeah before I got there he took me to his they call him ranches or whatever there and it's all that means is high fence operation in the South Africa and I understand parts of South Africa because it has Brad animals that are on the brink of Extinction and then it's good

145:48for them because they're there now but it's it's just not for me that closed Range Hunting and everything's closed range you know it's just I I absolutely hated it you know cuz I just want an animal that's that's that's there naturally um or it's not being genetically bred or brought in or anything like that and before I got there these guys were like what size Buffalo do you want to shoot and I'm like well we'll just see what's big for the area like that's all you can do you can only shoot the big animal for the area if you're after an old animal or a trophy animal you can only shoot what's big for that area so usually I spend the first half of the trip understanding what's a big animal or an old animal for the area then you'll hunt it for the other half of the trip they're like what size Buffalo do you want to shoot well let's just what's big for the area oh no we'll just bring

146:34one in on a truck before you get here you just tell us what size you want we'll bring it in and release it what the if I'm going to do that I'm going to go to a farm and say can I buy that cow and cut it up for meat right so so so that's a little bit on on at least that operation in South Africa I'm not saying they're all like that there's a lot of them like that though there is a lot of them like that and then I end up paying extra cuz I'm like no if I've got to hunt free range it's the only way I'm going to hunt and and that's what I was coming here for to hunt a free range uh Kate Buffalo then we end up in mosm beak at another place where we didn't see a bull for 10 days um that outfit he'd never been to that place or or he'd never taken other Hunters there or anything like that and I got there and and the whole time he was like yeah no you know this is a real good area you'll tag

147:25out straight away you'll see hundreds of Buffalo every day and like I said 10 days later we hadn't even seen a bull so um yeah it was it's it's it's a horrible industry over there in that sense it's it's and it can I can be a blame as well I should have done more research on that Outfitter um but I but I won that hunt for a charity auction it wasn't the sort of thing that I was like you know researching for weeks and weeks trying to find the good Outfitter to to go to and Sh to Kate Buffalo so that that was a bit unfortunate in that sense there's an amazing documentary on it from Lou THU uh who's a wildlife or or rather a documentarian uh from uh the UK great guy who um who's been on the podcast a couple times and talked about it the first time but uh it's all about uh the these African high fence hunting trips and he was over there for a long time and got the guy to kind of explain

148:17exactly what's going on over there but it it was just really bizarre to see people you know they're they're they had these lions and they had them like right there I mean there there was two sens of fences one fence and a fence right behind it and they took a dead calf and they throw it over the fence they watched the Lions tear it apart but you're look the lions are looking at the people you can go hunt those Lions they just they just let one loose they take it out and it's all high fence but they were explaining that these animals were on the verge of Extinction just a few decades ago and because of these high fence operations now they're but they're thriving in these bizarre conditions where they're fenced in put them out in the wild and let them Thrive out there area you know and then there's the poaching thing poaching is a weird word for it because a lot of those

149:03people are just hunting for food exactly they're just poor people The Villages that I went through cuz we'd find snares and and they'd rip them down and uh it wasn't it wasn't um the commercial side of poaching it wasn't like they were collecting the antlers or Ivy or whatever and selling it getting massive amounts of dollars these were people that were snaring to try and catch animals to eat yeah if I'm going broke and my family's hungry I'm going to be the first one to step over a fence and kill something I can tell you right now cuz I know I'm doing the right thing yeah so there's there's a funny line there where where there's a couple of different types of poaching you know and it's that one that's commercial and they're just Slaughter and everything elephants lines whatever horns which is freaking horrible then there's the Villager or let's just call them cuz

149:50they live there it's should be their land exactly they're just trying to feed their family like man I can't there's no hate in that no there's no hate in that and those people are shot they shoot them I mean it's scary I mean AP paride is dead in South Africa but godamn racism is still real strong in a lot of areas there and those people that are just poor black people that live there that's the other thing that I hated about the hunt dude that man the people that I was with were freaking racist like I come back from that trip and talking to Kim about it and I was in like I choked up I started crying I can't believe what those people have to go through over there and and they were the people that were helping me on the hunt they were smiling they they were happy the whole time and here's these people saying he would kill his own mother for the scraps on the table I'm like how how

150:39can you freaking say that how dare you say that you don't know that person that's how they that's what they like just deeply ingrained generation after generation I love the local people but I hated the outfit that I was with wow that's disturbing man it's just sad that that I mean how do you ever fix that yeah and you know what's really crazy is for a lot of people that's their dream to go to Africa and hunt the big seven you know or the big five or there's there's this movement of people acquiring all these trophies and going to Africa and shooting all these different animals and that's the way they do it they go to these Outfitters that can guarantee they can get in front of these animals yeah I think you've just got to do your research on the outfit let's run all the scumbag ones out of the industry do your research on the the outfit or talk to other Hunters

151:26that have been there like and not just one talk to six other Hunters that have been at operation demand for the numbers or the emails for who their past clients are and go there Australia doesn't have that Australia's built a hunting industry which is Tiny it's like have you ever heard about hunting in Australia like I'll come to Australia and shoot a uh whatever species of deer you don't because it's it's not that big it's not like New Zealand or it's not like Africa where they've built a big industry on it it's how did how did New Zealand get so big uh I don't know they must had the right people or government pushing it at some point people are always going austral New Zealand's known for it yeah beautiful country awesome but um Australia's industry is built on having excellent access to excellent numbers of game so so if you book a hunt in Australia it's not like someone's gone

152:16you know there's a big industry here so let's just make up a business Australian hunting safaries and let's just get people in we don't have game but they're going to come anyway because we're known for hunting you book a hunt in Australia I guarantee you it's going to be at of place as long as you do a little bit of research but but practically everywhere has big game numbers and that's why they've started the business on a hunting outfit because they've got so much game and they're like oh this is this could work out really good for hunters there's a ton of game here come along so it's a it's it's not like that in Africa you know a lot of those places have really got nothing you know it's it's it's arid lands and uh you fed all this that the hunting's going to be unreal and it's and it's not at all which is what I experienced now when how many people though are willing to do

153:05something like what you did in Montana or what you and cam did in Australia which is probably even crazier because you didn't even bring anything with you why do you have to keep bringing that out you guys you guys survived off the land I mean it's how many days were you out there for I can I I just want to fix something up about that the helicopter pilot said you've got to keep your gear basically to a backpack hunt because the the chopper couldn't carry a lot of weight right so I'm so then I was like well I can't pack a lot of food cuz I'm already at my weight limit Cam's already at his weight limit our buddy Owen's already at going to be at his weight limit so I simply couldn't really pack food I couldn't pack fresh water or anything like that cuz the chopper actually struggled to get off the ground once it was filled up and and then so that's the real story

153:52about it yeah but those won't tell you that part of the story they won't be like oh we couldn't take food because the chopper couldn't carry they always like Adam didn't bring any food why am I responsible no the way cam described it was like you guys have just made this conscious decision to try to rough it oh that sounds good that sounds better right let's go that story I thought it was pretty gang no we did cuz I was like it it'll be part of the experience we'll have to catch Buffalo we have to kill we're going to kill come on and uh and we did you know but that the buffalo that we killed was so tough I think it might have been can's first bull that he killed was so tough that you just chewed the meat you got the liquid out of it and then you had to take the meat out of your mouth cuz you couldn't break it down yeah what oh it was an old bull it was a giant old bull he told me that he

154:36was practicing with his bow with the same piece of meat in his mouth for 30 minutes that's s right that's insane now what about the liver I mean could you eat the liver uh we could have you'd want to check over most of Australian Australia species in game are disease free like that's one of the Beauties in Australia you can cut the raw meat off any animal in Australia and just eat it you won't get sick if you do get sick don't blame me but you w you shouldn't get sick let's just say you shouldn't get you don't get sick from drinking Buffalo piss exactly yeah um yeah just just just so tough but you didn't eat the the the L no we didn't take it we should have now that you've said that yeah I love liver yeah I oh cam don't eat that doesn't he he won't eat heart he won't eat liver he's a so he he'll run like 200 miles but won't eat liver come for 78 hours in a row he

155:29won't eat a liver yeah that's not impressive he just doesn't like it I guess get a new shirt dude I don't eat liver I just don't understand that I think it tastes delicious but it's also really good for you yeah you know and it just I think there's some sort of an obligation to eat as much of the animal as you can I'll do oh definitely I'll do it next especially a majestic thing like an elk the the indigenous population love it when we go out there for a hunt because cuz that that that is 3 and a half days 4 days drive from my house to to go there to go hunting um that's hard to take meat that far home you know where you're your vehicle if you're in a vehicle's already packed up and if you did the chopper thing you wouldn't be taking any out you'd have to donate it all to the indigenous so when we go out for a hunt they love it cuz we're shooting blls and cutting up meat and

156:16how do they cook it no than any of us would so how the do they chew through that thing if if they're out on um if they're out of community which is like a like an out station they're on the land you know they're they're they're out on the land um most indigenous cook just by putting the meat straight in the fire you know still very traditional way they just put the meat in the ashes no Grill thees so if they if they killed a wabby or a kangaroo um they they they wouldn't gut it they wouldn't skin it or anything they'd throw it straight in the fire like that and the Skin's like a what would we wrap meat in like a foil or something like that to cook it in the fire like that the skin just acts like that and it gives the meat a lot of flavor and everything like that weird it's just why do we have to complicate things so much oh let's put some Al oil around it let's put some spices in there

157:02and stuff like that cuz it tastes better why does it tastes better cuz we're so used to doing that but if you'd never done that if we'd never ever done that meat would just taste good just how it is in plain H maybe or maybe they figured out it taste better with salt and pepper and garlic salt definitely right yeah so there's like some spice company that's going to go through uh indigenous Australia now giving them all spices so that they get used to it they get addicted sails go up yeah so they throw it on the fire without gutting it at all and then do they eat the guts I don't think they eat the guts just the meat and everything around it they'd probably eat the organs and things same with fish they'll just throw a fish straight on the fire I've done that plenty of times that's good good eating like that and so it won't be scaled and the scales act as like the protective

157:48barrier between the ashes and everything get into the good meat and cooking the fish better it seals in all the the flavor and taste and the juices once the fish is cooked then you just sort of wipe the scales off and it's beautiful clean clean flesh right there huh I've never hm that's interesting I've never cooked anything on ashes like flat on ashes like before okay yeah you're going to need like a month in Australia a month what's a month a month oh a month awesome I thought a new animal that was in Bear Camp and I was like 18 North and he like what's 18 18 that's how I say 18 17 16 15 well you guys you have an interesting way of saying words yeah it's it's proper English that's what it is I don't think it is it's but Australian different English yeah it's weird because you got for if you didn't know Australians you guys sound like you're kind of English really yeah well there's

158:45like South African Australian well we're close right they only have a few words they say different than us like a boat a yeah a boat a boat uh we're going to uh go uh to uh round about Las Vegas but they're polite very polite they're the most polite people ever Canadians areans yeah they're they're pretty polite too but Canadians are like for North America they're the they're Kings the kings of politeness but um so back to this crazy hunt that you did with Cam if you couldn't eat the Buffalo how the did you guys I mean you kind of ate it well you just chew it up and you'd find a softer softer spot to and you guys lived for that yeah that in baramundi for the whole trip and what's a baramy fish yeah real good fish like probably the best fish in the world oh really how do you catch that LS we took little fishing rods in we took a couple of lures is it a freshwater or a

159:38saltwater fish they're both yeah they where did you guys catch them uh we were camped right on the coast and um it it was horrible in a sense it was good but it was horrible it was nice because you'd get a wind each night but it was horrible cuz you were near a lot of water and a river out mouth and the mosquitoes were like soon as it started getting dark mosquitoes would be in plague precautions like your arms would go black covered in mosquitoes if you didn't put something on like I said we had to go light so I only had one tiny little tube of like an insect repellent and that's mosquitos are that brutal that you'd put that you know and they'd stay off here for like 2 minutes cam didn't even have a net so I would SLE I had a hammock and I'd sleep in the hammock and I had a net over me but my back would just get smashed by mosquitoes cuz my back's just laying

160:27against the net no no mattress or anything I'd wake up in the morning just agonizing wanting to scratch and and cam was the same you know he no net at all they'll just Smash in his face all night oh my God yeah how do you your eyes not swell shut I don't know so can you cover yourself up with mud or anything you could if you went to that effort I suppose I would have done it yeah you would have done it I'm a I don't like I don't like mosquitoes it's just like you just dealt with it yeah you know it's not even part of the thought process in a sense when you're on a hunt like that cuz it's just you just want to be a part of the hunt you know and that's a part of the hunt it's a miserable part of the hunt but that's just a part of the hunt I don't even like a fly buzzing around my head when I'm practicing in my backyard really F flies will be breeding in the

161:15corner of my eye and I'll just hold a conversation and people be like I can't talk to you anymore I'm like what what's up you know and there's like he's like there's a fly in the corner of your mouth like can you show it no so used to it how many days did you guys do that hunt um must have been eight I think it was eight in the end now when you decided to climb into that water to cool off you didn't consider the possibility that there was crocodil in there yeah the water was muddy and it's hard to tell if it's muddy because there a big saltwater crocodile stirring it up or because the Buffalo going and wallow in every bit of water there is right so um we walk the edge and you look for crocodile slides Croc slides doesn't mean there's no Crocs there if there's no Croc slides but we walk the edge and there was no Croc slides now and Owen's a local he's

162:06a teacher up in the Indigenous Community there he knows the waters pretty well you can't it's hard to tell if a Crocs moved in there over the season or or anything like that but we walk the edge and you're just that desperate to get wet like cam was even to the point where he's like can we just die i' I'd actually prefer to cool off and then die let's just do it and then and you're the same like you're desperate it's that hot that you're just desperate and in a sense sense I think it was essential to get in the water at that point to get rehydrated you know just through skin intake and um the water was the same temperature as outside like you'd go into the water and you couldn't feel that you were going into liquid cuz the water's that hot as well it's just been boiling in the Sun but to lay in there and just chill out in the mud and every now and then you'd it's all Muddy Bottom

162:56every now and then you'd sort of push the mud out and it release some cooler Waters that sort of hadn't been cooked by be like that's what I mean you you really have to go through that to appreciate things in life and one of those things that I just appreciated in life was pushing through the mud and getting a little bit cooler water you know it's like oh this is Paradise and then 2 seconds later you're like this is uncomfortable as you know well the fact that people Liv that way and struggled through those kind of environments and those kind of temperatures for Untold years yeah before they ever figured out ice ah refrigerator esos air conditioning not Eskimos that'll be they were like heat baby hate yeah that's another extreme have you ever seen when people go up there and and go hunting in like nun noac yeah they go uh hunting for uh those big hairy things what's

163:46those big hairy things um a muscs muscs that thing is rid that looks like a Star Wars animal yeah it does yeah doesn't even look real cut the guts open and crawl in and get warm yeah I mean I've seen those things and you just go that okay so people live up there and they hunt those things and then they live down where you are and they hope for cool mud yeah those Buffalo that we hunt it'll be like you'll think ah there's not going to be anything out anywhere today it's stinking hot everything will be in the shade under a tree or tucked under a river bank or like that those Buffalo as black as they are would be standing out in the open complete Sun just grazing nothing even bother bothering them now most people listening to this have no idea what a scrub bll is they hear they hear the term scrub B they don't know what it means but it's a domestic C domestic a

164:36domestic cow that's that's gone wild over many many centuries in Australia they've all inner bread and it's a you know they're pretty crazy looking that's a scrub ball wow look how cool that thing looks that's like a Brahman there so he's he's a bit of a breed Bull look at the back on that thing what a strange hump and and all it is is that bull would be living in country where a lot of different other scrub balls haven't come through so it's still a fully wild ball but yeah wow yeah nice scrubber what is that one right next to it Jamie with the crazy horns yeah yeah he's a big boy wow that's a scrub Bill too yeah that's man that's in America look at the trees in the background those are American trees is that it it says Oh Canada what is that same thing right no they can't even come over here unless we let them um and they don't let us over here over there if you got a drunk

165:29driving conviction so they have scrub blls in Canada that's weird I've never seen that before I thought that was an Australian thing yeah what is that one down there these people are just shooting their cows yeah he'd be a scrub they wow what aird okay so that's a buffalo that's not a scrub B yeah that's a big water buffal what a crazy thing that is so that is something from Asia correct y from Asia what kind is that that's a water buffalo just just called the water buffalo y so there's Kate Buffalo that are from africah mhm what is that one the not the lower left corner but the one right next to it Jamie yeah what is that what the is that that's a good scrub bow see all how all the colors vary in that cuz they're real inbred animal you know and that's why inbr with other other iety of cattle now the the meat value is not as good or the breeding value is not as

166:24good because they're biters they're bitter this and they're a bit of that they're a bit of everything it's like a dog you know you buy a purebred dog or you buy a mongrel which is you know a couple of different species in one what has the big value is the pure bread right right and it's the same with these cattle so the the the big um issue with the the cattle industry especially in these Northern parts of Australia is these these scrubbles these feral cattle don't have any respect for fences they'll just walk straight through a fence into a farmer's prized cattle and start breeding with his prized cattle and then all those carves that he gets aren't the purebred cattle anymore so it's really bad for the industry so they knocked the fence down had some cow that's pretty much it and uh big probably what would happen in America if those cows that I saw

167:14wandering around if they were allowed to have balls and yeah free and stay out there they'd eventually become just like that that's right so they're just an unchecked species of animal in Australia the scrub B and uh they're just free to come and go wherever they want so so a lot of farmers really pushed to to shoot them out or get them cold or rounded up or or off their property aren't they unbelievably aggressive too they're super aggressive more aggressive than a buffalo yeah wow why wonder why I don't know cuz they're pissed off cuz they're in a bread really yeah that's definitely not why they're just a cranky animal we've also got well Bulls are pretty aggressive I mean obviously the Bulls I'm talking like bull cows that we have in America that's why people ride them they only get 8 seconds if they're lucky yeah they're trying to be like that though right I don't know are just

168:05natural I don't know naturally pissed off it's a good question because like when you see like bull fighters are those Bulls trained to try to up the Matador I mean I don't know as grubbles would just do that off their own back I can tell you now really aggressive we've got bang Tang Bulls as well I've heard of those things cattley cattle what's a bang Tang what does it look like uh Jamie will bring one up no doubt how do you say it bang Tang spell it excuse me um b a n g t e n g ah bang Tang yeah I believe bring up it's one word one word Yeah Bang Tang so back home in that native lands they're nearly extinct so that that'll be back home they'd be back home okay India in Indonesia they're almost extinct but in America or rather Australia they're they run wild and they're like a velvet skin cattle yeah they run wild velvet skin W look at his skin man they are a

169:03beautiful creature what a weird looking cow that's such a good creature type in um good hand Outback experience that's one of me buddies that guides there for anyone interested and uh he's got access to these bang Tang on some of the most beautiful country that you've ever seen like in Northern Australia yeah bring up something from car's there like is that a bank yeah he's an old one see that boss going across the head it looks like their skin is SED yeah and they will charge on movement one of those old Bulls if they see movement they'll they'll prefer to come at you than turn away because there's a risk in turning that back to you right if you get within a c certain distance and um there's car there with the yeti hat on he um I shot one last year or the year before with KL and it comes straight at us and uh Kyle's carrying a big gun like I shot it with a bow and

170:02Cary lifted up the gun and he shot this bang Tang as it was charging it literally dropped 9 ft from Carl like it just looked straight at him and just hammered straight at him I got a second shot off as it was running and actually uh broke its leg which made it stumble and then it just come straight back up and kept coming the car and he pulled the gun up and he shot it straight between the eyes it was an amazing shot yeah don't H one of those Bow by the way that thing man they will tear you up they're a scary Critter what a weird well I guess it's cuz you shot it with a bow and arrow too right probably very upset with you yeah probably yeah I mean it's it seems like a crazy idea to shoot one of those things by yourself though like you almost have to have a rifle backup yeah but if that's the case why hunt it with a bow you have to have a rifle backup

170:46you probably only hun with Buffalo was with a gun the very first time I went was sounds like a good move no I had the bow my buddy had the gun oh yeah my buddy Aaron Grant is a really good shot too so I was like hey you want to come on this trip with me it be good you can shoot one but in that case like why not just hunt with a rifle because you're not going to kill it with a bow that quick and it's going to might you can you can 95% of the time you can that 5% a isn't it so I shot three balls on that trip I got three complete passrs with Mar and I got three three blls that died right in view I didn't have a single issue you know but what the rifle done is it got you to go to places that usually wouldn't like that Bulls out in the open and if you didn't have a rifle back up behind you you probably wouldn't proceed out there and be like I'm there's no trees around

171:33the climb I'm going to shoot that ball but when you got a rifle it makes you a little bit gamer like you know obviously my buddy Aaron's on you know he's just waiting for to go south and he's going to pull a gun up and give it one that didn't happen all my other trips since I've never hunted with rifle back up but you've got to know your you've got to know your boundaries you know like there's a big lone ball out there there's no trees he's right out in the open you take a shot at him he's the first thing you look he looks at he's going to clean you up and they do it you know that that's that thing happens so that that seems ridiculous F that you're coming to do it no no no no no no not doing that it that doesn't what what's the the least likely to kill kill you if you shoot it Buffalo we go buffalo hunting really no no hell no the least likely to kill you a freaking

172:26rabbit rabbits are good yeah rabbit are com out to austr Hunter rabbit awesome well you have to kill a lot of them don't you you have they're overated you got to skewer them K as many as you want it's it's a funny thing as big as that animal is you know and and me saying know your boundaries if you do the right shot on that animal that's the first thing you know you've got to make sure that shots right the angle right you know you're confident with your bow you put that shot into the to the right spot then there's no risk because that that that animal's dead before it gets to you staying still after the shot you know like I said I'm not the person to shoot something go yes yes I shot it I'm not like not like that I think it's a little bit disrespectful even but it's also it's also dangerous and it's unpeaceful for the animal because you do that gives

173:12the animal an adrenaline boost animals with an adrenaline boost man that's that's a hell Reckoning you know Buffalo yeah or Buffalo you know that will carry them it might make um it might make their death longer because you know they're filled with adrenaline and stuff like that you shoot an animal and you be quiet you put the shot in the right spot it's so peaceful I I've actually shot things and they've been like what was that put their head down to start feeding again and toppled over why they're feeding they don't even know they're hit that's that's one of the Beauties about boning it's that peaceful and that's why you don't carry on like a fraking jerk once you shoot something you know just quiet nice and humble the animal dies peacefully that's what every Hunter should strive for yeah it's um also you would have to have the proper equipment right if you're going

173:59to penetrate the side of a buffalo you have to have a very strong bow and heavy arrows yeah um I like that cuz you can't tell if you're going to hit a rib on the way in or the way out and with my setup like I mostly shoot 70 lb but I'm shooting 80 at the moment and that heavy arrow and a solid one piece it's just a solid piece of Steel Two blade broaded those vpa broaded Shane Doran shoots them as well by Vantage Point Archery it's 150 grains that's a heavy Brad yeah then it's got a decent insert behind it like 92 grain insert and then um a nice heavy shaft and then let's just talk about the 80 lb bow with the 80 lb I can find a rib on the way in on a buffalo and I can find a rib on the way out and that arrow is still just going to bust straight through you through through there now how heavy is the arrow it's about they R well depends what I'm shooting but with the 80 lb I'm shooting

174:53uh 670 grains wow yeah and with the 70 lb bow it's not much different it's about 620 grain 670 grain is really heavy but it makes a quiet bow and it makes a punch when it hits animals and how many feet per second are you getting out of that I don't know I don't even get into that technical do you uh do you do sight tapes or do you do it by uh by I and then write it on the tape no I got sight tapes so how do you calculate your site tabs um if you don't well I've got the trophy taker or option archery site now and it's uh the option five or option six site it's got an adjustable pin right or you've got all your fixed pins that you flip in place now with that one I just shoot my 20 and I actually shoot all my pins in out the 50 and then I match it up with the the sight tape and then I stick that on the bow at the the 20 M Mark so then when I pull the multiple pin out of the way

175:47I've just got the single pin that winds up and down to their marks obviously I shoot it and check it which I have and it's spot on it's perfect okay so you don't do anything like archers Advantage do it through a computer calculation that's interesting I just like shooting it all myself it's so heavy I will move each pin for that shot so I'll shoot in um you know 0 to 20 the first pin and then I'll walk back to 30 and I'll shoot and I'll just keep keep shooting and adjusting that you know in tiny little increments if I have to and do you have like a range at your house that you do all this I do it all up in the farm you know I sent you those photos that time of that cabin that I built that's amazing that cabin's incredible I just got a crazy I can shoot as far as I like let me tell you we're almost done here but let me let me tell you uh people about your uh photography too cuz you

176:30take some incredible photography when you're out and where you have this like a book that you made of your photography that I got a chance to look at yeah did I bring that along did I that's cool have somewhere yeah you brought it to Bear Camp but also you sent me to your website too and I got a chance to look at some of the photos that you have up yeah you you take some amazing pictures I love it that's the other thing that I carry me pack and people people freak because it's the Canon 5D the Mark III it's an external flash spare batteries it weighs a ton right there how much does it weigh not a ton but 20 yeah it have to be yeah is that what you got is that same camera oh can I hold it got it then add a flash like a big fulls size external flash to that and batteries this feels that's a lot in the pack this feels like it's probably 10 lb right end result to that is that's how you get

177:20those those crazy photos wow do you carry a tripod as well yeah I carry a little tripod yeah wow you use the same tripod wow look at that photography you know people can actually go to first man image which is another Instagram account that I've got God that picture is incredible and there's a heap of pictures like that on there now this picture um is from how long ago James that's Idaho that's just the other day yesterday one day ago now how do you take this photo like where you see all those stars is it just setting the aperture correctly yeah it's setting the aperture correctly the lens that I use it's a it's a sigma art lens it's a 20 mil lens and the F stop on that lens is only like 1.4 like that's super super low right what does that mean I don't know about photography like your eye being closed up and then you know say say say an F4 right your eyes really

178:12closed up and and uh f1.4 would be like that like imagine how much more light and everything you could get in that's probably basic way of explaining it okay and then um I will I'll so I'll set the camera up it's got to be on a tripod because that's like a oh there you go okay Jamie's got to explain hey I got it right F number Wikipedia it's a ex uh it's like exponentially larger every time you drop in a in an increment it gets exponentially larger and then as you go higher in f- stops it'll get smaller so okay there you go I'm self taught this is all like just self taught taught so I'm not really into the lingo but there you go I got right so the same thing is with bow hunting you're self taught with photography asau yeah that's what happens when you live out in the jungle bang tangs wild sneakes and so that that's obviously set up on a tripod and it's about a 15sec

179:06exposure so you know that it's open for 15 seconds it gathers in a lot more light God damn that is Montana there beautiful well how many days ago is that from Jamie six six days ago God that's that is your T this what a amazing picture this is your tent and your tent looks like did you have like a headlamp inside the tent or something that illuminated it tiny little headlamp so you left that on left that on and then set the camera up and God the Stars man so that's what you're seeing every night while you're camping up there yep every night until the moon come out man that's pretty I love moonless Knights just just for that night are the best it's nothing like that that view of the Milky Ways in SC hey if you can Jamie if you go back a little bit and you'll see you'll see some dead buffalo pitches and uh around that time I was taking some star shots

180:02when I was in Aram land and cuz there's no artificial there's no light pollution anywhere up there the stars with the naked eye like the the the apperture and everything can come back so much further on those nights because it's just even with the human eye it's just crazy easy wow yeah it's just lit up like you could actually walk around in the dark just lit off the Milky Way no no moon you could walk around in the dark up there just because there's so many more stars that you can see it's crazy and your eyes just open up to it there's a benefit of Bing people or the outdoors don't even get in the Bing just go camping in the outdoors n you might have to go up a little bit that's pretty cool though that was a Sol camp that I had go up or down um older older yeah that's that's pretty good one yeah whoa oh my God that's like you're in a space ship yeah I mean that really is

180:57like a spaceship yeah so yeah if anyone's if any of your listeners are into um the outdoors and not necessarily killing CU obviously Adam green tree bonning has got a lot of um Harvest kills on it um if you're just into photography just go to first man image and um first man image first man image Adam oh Adam I get it first man like Adam you know how many people didn't get that nobody me I'm like I just I'm one of the latest who didn't get it first man image on what on Instagram Instagram yeah um is it you spell it in some sort of weird Australian way first do man. image is that what it is I think so oh so it's adam. green tree. Boh Hunter if you're interested in looking at dead animals and stars and if you just want photography first man first. man. image and you're a if you go that one how dare you first. man. image oh yeah man God damn you take some

181:52pretty pictures dude that's amazing that you're selftaught I've been thinking about it lately that I need to get into photography at least somewhat yeah to just take pictures of them with my iPhone I just that's the best when you do so much it's the best way to capture a memory because I can look back on the photos now and go that's right how cool is that or whatever I sometimes I do so much and I get carried away of doing so much hunting that it's like if I didn't take a photo I'd actually forget that moment because there's so much happening so and I just love showing it to me kids and friends and people that are interested and you know it's a really good promotion for the sport you know I used to think um do you call hunting a sport I don't I hate that word but you just used it I I know yeah it's a common word that people correct me yeah I just uh I feel like there's a better word for

182:39it like natural life like natural part of me or discipline I think discipline is a better word for it I I hear the sport like you you know uh Welcome to the Bor glad you're getting involved in the sport I'm like oh so or we could call it a pasttime I've called it a past time a lot but Pastime doesn't seem significant enough it doesn't yeah it seems like it's not not resp I mean you shoot an elk is that a Pastime no it's way more than that it's like yeah a life experience who I am what we are and then some right yeah so you know with you getting into the I'm not going to say it see you're getting into bow hunting I guarantee you you wish you found that 20 years ago bow hunting a would you know what I'm happy I found it when I found it of course so busy I used to hate the idea of someone's going to go through life and never find this connection and that's the big push for

183:34me to promote bow hunting um I've written for the uh Australian outdoor magazines for like 12 years now and and a lot of people think it's like a self-promotion like I don't care I don't I don't care if I didn't have any viewers at all as long as people were getting uh that exposure I was putting that out there for people to go oh I should try this it looks cool this dude's really enjoying it there here's the benefits in it and going and doing it cuz it drives me nuts just thinking that someone should have that connection they just don't know it yet because a lot of the guys especially the older guys that I've introduced to Bow Hunting have always been like man I would have never known about this before and they've just got now I can't imagine them as anything else but hun you know cuz they just thrive on it that much and it's done so much for their lives or just the outdoors some guys

184:23that get get into it try it and be like it's not for me but I really love camping and being out there in the wilderness and even archery yeah definitely just shooting a target for me is like a form of therapy it's Z moment yeah there's so much concentration going on that it cleanses your mind and if I can shoot bows for an hour every day man it just uh it it's alleviates stress and some sort of a strange like you know for lack of a better word zen way yeah yeah that might be the best word for it actually what you were talking about earlier like going out to the Wilderness no technology or anything like that what it does to the mind is it frees the mind it like it's like it resets me it's like hitting the reset button it's all good it's all fresh now you know it's just gives you time to think you know yeah and even people that aren't into hunting I totally understand that and like I

185:11said I'm I've been really paying attention a lot to um uh people that do these long-term hikes and also overlanding people that just go on these crazy Adventures like they get off the beaten path and they develop these vehicles that are capable of driving over adverse conditions and they just figure out a way to live out there in the desert or out there in the mountains it's fascinating to me because there's a longing I think that people have to get away from the concrete to get away from the electricity and to just just feel the Stillness of the actual world unen unencumbered un un un just uncompressed by by civilization and buildings and language and when you're out there man I don't I've never done what you've done but when you're out there for 11 days you don't even talk to anybody for 11 days this so this trip I did cuz I've had internet service at the

186:08top or reception so and I kept doing this uh insta stories you know yeah those were great by the way oh you watching them yeah I watched all of them I wish you saved them though the St disappear that absolutely sucks you know need to do if you're listening next year send a photographer out or or a film dude and we'll film the whole thing yeah but then some dude's going to be talking to you and complaining that's the rules he can't talk he's got to have his own campsite and like can't jump in if a bear's trying to eat me be help from a bear H but um so that sucked but um I've had trips where you don't talk to people for days and days on end and just the fact of uh coming back in civilization and open your mouth feels weird oh feels absolutely weird but even when you're talking up there you're not talking still not no that's right yeah yeah I mean you're talking to the phone

186:59you're like hey I'm up here I just heard talk to yourself every now and then you do it's you seriously do every now and then you be like and you you just and then you think like why do they say that out loud because you haven't interacted with anyone for so long you know it would be something like oh you fell over you freaking dummy you know which happened a few times well you definitely want break a leg up there no you'd be screwed did you bring a satellite phone yeah I had a satellite phone yeah so in case goes bad yeah and it's got an SOS button built into it you know I even say it to Kim my wife you know like you don't see that side of things but I do actually take precautions take a sa phone that's it and a gun there there's there's management within within it but you but you just don't see it listen dude there's a very small handful of people in the hunting world that are

187:48doing what you're doing that are taking those kind of crazy adventures and and just diving into it it's awesome man I was I was really Blown Away by those Instagram stories and following you every day I follow you several times a day I would go in and check in on it make sure everything's going on no man awesome is good oh that's good I never say you like any of my I hope you should probably like things more I just look at them I enjoy them I need to hit that little heart button people love you when you hit that heart button yeah for sure all right I'll doing Give a Little Bit of Love I'll give you a little love you need to do one of them trips no I don't yes you do I'm telling you you'll freaking thrive on it dude it's interesting I don't think I need to you would you'd love it uh I don't mind I would like to go and do you know like a deep backpack trip but solo I don't know

188:33about all that I don't want anybody finding my sneakers you know what I'm saying and a foot still inside wolf marks all over it that would be so ironic for eaten by the wolves that I love so much yeah that's that's funny like that Hey Brother thank you very much for doing this it was a lot of fun really appreciate it it's always cool hanging out with you I'm glad we got a chance to do this awesome and uh again adam. green treebo Hunter on Instagram and where else could people get you first. man. image on Instagram or you can find both of those on Facebook as well and you have a website no website no website yeah yeah no website and no weirdos thank you no weirdos all right folks thank you very much see you soon bye kill that was great man that was good