Adam Cropp

00:00thanks for having me thanks for being here appreciate it the opinions you're about to hear do not represent National Geographic or um anybody other than us that's it and even us we're not sure of it we're not committed to these these statements Adam welcome thanks Jack thanks for having me pull this right in front of your face there thanks for having me Jeff appreciate it appreciate it man dude you live a life of adventure this is a I I was so excited when you contacted me and I went to your Instagram page and saw the photos and and saw the places you've been and looked you up man you live in a crazy life I do a bit of traveling that's for sure a few frequent fly miles man I mean so much Adventure so many different places and so much cool you've seen like what how did you get into this I kind of grew up doing it tell you the truth I had a family who made a Nature Documentaries so as a

00:54family unit that's what we did for a living and so I was traveling from well the moment I could walk but basically wow that is cool what is your your dad is like a filmmaker or something yeah I or your mom I should say your mom or your dad well I'm so well it's a family unit sort of thing whatever um I guess how do you explain dad in a nutshell he it's kind of the Australian Jac custo maybe or the the Australian version of that maybe um he started off as a Shark Hunter back in the 60s so it was actually hunting sharks and putting that uh and filming it putting it on TV uh with Leonard nemoy was narrating Spar was actually narrating them back in those days W he'll never be anything but Spar to I know I know I I love that voice just that's you get man you have a role that's too good um and then he turned conservationist you know after probably yeah mid 60s or something turn so he was

01:50a hunter so he was going out and killing sharks and then he what what made him sort of shift into conservation I think it was just realization of just yeah water what a waste you know going around killing sharks and also I think after you spend enough time with sharks in the water you realize they're not dangerous at all like these things are magnificent creatures beautiful they're not under most circumstances I mean obviously they do kill people they get hungry occasionally yeah I mean and you do the problem is we we look like seals on a surfboard right and that's a real problem it's mistaken identity uh nine times out of 10 mistaken identity and the only way they can figure out what you are is by coming up and taking a little bite and going that's you know surfboard and wet suit uh but that one little bite can sometimes be Faith uh kill you but it's very rare it's very

02:35rare to get eaten by a shark yeah fairly rare not rare enough well okay once again perspective perspective yes I mean I should just clarify I'm not in favor of killing sharks I'm not interested in eradicating them from the ocean but they scare the out of me man I was uh in California um in California now but it was like a couple years ago some guy this is my biggest some guy was swimming with a bunch of people that were training for a triathlon and it was off the coast of San Diego and he was bitten in half in front of everybody yeah you know I mean it does go down but perspective kill 100 100 million sharks a year well not you and I so probably shouldn't say we some Humanity yeah Humanity kills 100 million and soup right yeah Shar from soup uh we kill they kill maybe 8 to 10 of us I think it's less than that I think it's like five yeah it depends where where

03:34you get your statistics from and what you're counting because I mean most for fatalities when it comes to shark attacks actually the zambesi the bull shark it's in Africa you don't have great records um but I would say yeah 8 to 10 per year the crazy thing about bull sharks is they can live in freshwater like deep deep deep in freshwat like way up Rivers they're kind of blind they can only see about 6 in in front of their face so they like rivers and dirty kind of water I spent 2 years swimming every day with a oh it's about 3 m bullshark uh in captivity and as soon as you stirred up the water she would come right in she loved it when it was murky cuz that's when she had the advantage over other other animals oh interesting well you know the basis for the movie Jaws was actually a freshwater shark attack it was baffling to people they had no idea that sharks at the time

04:20would even exist in freshwater but it was in New Jersey and um these people were in a river and I think two people were killed inside of a short period of Time by bull sharks that it's swam swam SW swam swam why does swam sound right swam up River and uh in fresh water so these people were at a a freshwater beach by the river and they got killed everyone's scared of the the great white you know the the big shark but if you talk about the amount of attacks bull shark is far far more that's interesting and you think it's because they don't they don't see well so it's a mistaken identity thing well it's once again they they they see you using the Electrical uh receptors so they can they can see your heart beating basically but it doesn't know what you are and it's got really bad Vision so the only way you can figure out what you are and whether you're edible is to come

05:11and take a little bite and you know that little bite sometimes can be fatal yeah I saw some thing last night that I think it's got to be I wish I could remember the name of it but it was a camouflage suit that you could wear while hunting that does not give out the electrical signal to like a cage suit like a it was just clothes it was somehow or another the these clothes keep an electrical signal from like animals from seeing this electrical signal I it sounded like horeshit though well I mean there is some science there if you have a faraday cage suit so a farad cage ho metal basically woven that stops uh electrical yeah this is the stuff Jamie Is that real make sign humans significantly less detectable by animals yeah no it would it would make sense for sure with animals that have the electrical impulse receptors like sharks do huh well sharks have that um the line on

06:05their body right that's what it is well uh all fish have a line going lateral line that's going down and that detects you know electrical impulses but sharks have on their nose um it's a really hard word to pronounce I'm not going to try but they have this electrical receptor on the front of their nose and so when a shark sees you it can actually see your heart beating whoa and so say you're swimming with sharks and someone else next to you and you've been um you've never been you've been swimming sharks before you're pretty calm so your heart's going b boom b boom bo boom B Bo person next to you never been swimming with sharks before freaking out their heart's going boom boom bo boom bo boom million miles an hour that shark's going to swim up and go lunch to the person with a faster heartbeat cuz they're they're stressed out they're going to be easier to catch nature does not like

06:48that's what it is you panic like a Nature's like it's true if you panic when you're in with sharks they'll come right up to you they want to animals right you ever seen people that just freak out on dogs and dogs start barking at him and then another person come up that dog hey buddy what's going on you all right you know yeah yeah so your dad was a Shark Hunter and when he was hunting these sharks was he doing it for food were they eating the Sharks this was I mean you got to remember the back in this is back in the day you know this is kind of 50s 60s yeah early 60s um and back then it was he was filming people killing you know 20 30 sharks uh at a time and it was just uh was the first underwater documentaries out there um sort of showing that world and they were using explosive heads so like a spear gun with a bullet 303 on the end of it oh wow and they were shooting them

07:37that way but uh you know I look at those videos now and some of the species they were killing are just completely harmless you know and it's just and I guess it eventually did get to that point where they turned around and went oh hang on this is bad and so use that fame or that desire for this underwater footage and then and then sort of take a conservation angle to it instead so were they initially doing it to eradicate dangerous animals is that why they were doing it I guess there's that aspect of that too I tell you the truth I think it was just good TV oh okay so it was just let's go shoot some and put it on television and here's sharks and everyone's everyone scared scared of them you know that's it was and yeah quite a natural thing back then to go you know you're scared of something go kill it and so your dad while you were young became a conservationist and then

08:23started taking you all around the world yeah so we made these kind of 1 hour Nature Documentaries um they were shown in Australia on channnel 7 over here Disney Channel picked them up um they're shown around the world and uh mainly underwater kind of Adventure I look back now and actually think it's kind of reality TV to the truth cuz it's a it's a documentary of a family going on an adventure and learning some stuff and seeing some cool stuff on the way wow so this has been your life all along yeah wow that's that's cool man and so how didd you get involved with naal you're a National Geographic Expedition leader I work for for a company called uh liml Expeditions National Geographic okay so it's a partnership between liml Expeditions and National Geographic and we've got a fleet of 10 vessels uh and we take people to the remotest places on Earth basically and so um they

09:15graciously give me a a $100 million ship and 100 people on it and uh kind of a you start here and you end here two weeks later and yeah go for an adventure go see what you can find that is badass it's good fun it's it's you know it's a lot of work I don't you know there's like anything you get paid for there's there's work to it but um yeah the perks are just phenomenal the perks are amazing $100 million vessel yeah wow it's a nice ship it's a beautiful ship National Geographic Iran it's uh one of the best Expedition ships floating uh at this point in time and so like when you go on these ships like what are the the ultimate goals or to collect samples to view things to take photographs to try to view rare species bit of everything really uh so we have you scientists on board doing some research and stuff like that um but we're also taking tourists you know we're taking people who are

10:05paying you know a considerable amount of money I can go to those I can go on a tour yeah yeah for sure you can come down to Antarctica with me oo oh no that's too cold I want to go somewhere cool Antarctica you just got back from Costa Rica why don't you invite me to that that's badass I have to point out I do my friend down there Conrad said make sure you invite Joe down here is that your boat um yeah no that's the National Geographic around you're on a cruise ship it's not a cruise ship we have to be very specific about this it's an expedition ship you to say it's not a cruise ship that's a cruise ship man there's there's a difference between Expedition and cruising okay so a cruise ship goes to goes to port to port you know you you you stop in at some town you go up you explore the town for the day you come back you jump on the ship it goes to the next destination we don't

10:48go to towns right we go to places in between we go to remote places we've got 13 Zodiacs on board so little um small vessels and you're living like a gangster on this thing look at this look you got a hot tub come on son if you were a Russian oligarch this is what I would expect look at these what are these Rock piles why do you have rocks um yeah they got removed about last week they got removed y because they were like why do we have rocks it's original design 10 years old okay I see so well it's not that's 2006 that's it's not like we're talking about the 20s back when people didn't know any better so you had these these Rock are there just to for looks like it's just going to kill me if I talk about the Rocks too long but uh when I left the ship a few weeks ago I saw them removing them so they're removing the Rocks yeah it seems like a lot of weight to be carrying around just to look

11:40pretty fiberglass come on they're fiberglass rocks oh they're fake rocks you wouldn't put rocks on on top of a ship these photos you guys party in it's like a Jay-Z video yeah we we have cocktail parties all the time wow that is a badass boat to be torn around with I spent uh new years's uh dancing and partying on the ice in Antarctica whoa so yeah we we have some good parties on there we do did you see any polar bears polar bears in Antarctica no they're not in Antarctica that's uh Penguins right penguins penguins on the south Penguins South polar bears in the north right what what kind of mammals do they have in Antarctica though oh Lots I mean you've got all your different whale species so blue whales fin whales SE whales humbeck whales minky whales oras um and you know a lot of different Dolphins as well and then of course she seals she pipits um

12:31so elephant seals leopard seals leopard seals leopard seals are pretty cool those are the wildest man I remember when I saw that March of the Penguins movie and that was the first time I really found out about leopard seals or uh had seen them uh in like you know highdefinition video form I think maybe I've seen a photograph of them before but I didn't realize like what Majestic beasts they are what a strange almost like a fake animal doesn't even look real I think of him like a jaw just this huge big jaw with massive teeth right there yeah so see the size of the teeth on them and they they eat penguins and occasionally they chew on the back of zodiacs as well Zodiacs oh those boats yeah the small boats we have yeah probably about one a year they end up chewing on the back of the zodiac so because they're inflatable boat they start to why do they do that with people yeah probably just

13:21to with people well they're really weird because like there was that one account that this photographer did uh it was several days where he spent filming uh a female leopard seal and she kept bringing him Penguins to eat and he have you heard of this no it's really fascinating because uh he was terrified you know this this monstrous enormous predatory have respect for him for sure oh yeah they're huge and she kept bringing him like dead penguins and like bringing them to him like come on eat it and uh he you know I guess she felt bad for him or she was just trying to make friends with him or some some sort of strange thing like she's not in a position where she was famished or she didn't have food she had plenty of food so she wasn't looking to eat him so she just decided to help him and try to feed him it was very very strange I mean the Golden Rule with sort of biology is

14:12don't anthropomorphize don't put human emotions onto animals but the closer you look at animals the more time you spend with animals you see these emotions you see elements of culture all sorts of stuff going on um yeah we don't give them enough respect we don't give humans enough pull pull that up this is it right here how elaborate SE fed me penguins it's really crazy um they have video footage of it too I think if you press the video you you'll see this uh it's really crazy the this gigantic thing hooked up very well for the video oh okay no worries we don't have to show it but um folks can find it online um how a leopard seal fed me is that the name of it how a leopard seal fed me penguins amazing amazing that's National Geographic as well that's your your folks yeah I I recognize a photographer actually um I kind of had a similar experience quite a few years ago they

15:02Jong you ever heard of a Jong I I've heard the word but what is it they're in the sirenian family closest relative is manate oh okay jong's it's kind of you know what a manate is right yeah so think of a manate and then instead of like a beaver tail put a dolphin tail on it um oh it's very small differences but basically the same thing and there was this one in vanatu um and it uh it lost its partner um and so every day what it would do is catch Turtles and bring it up to the Beach and just push them up on the beach for the locals to eat and so every day it would catch all the food the locals would need W and then they befriended it and it was one of the only jongs in the world that you could actually swim and play with um we did a documentary on it called The elusive Mermaid so I spent quite a few weeks swimming with this Jong crazy crazy that's so strange like the personality

15:47diversity in these animals like look at that there it is whoa that thing is crazy looking yeah they huge about 900 kilograms it's d g o n g for anybody who's interested Dong Dong Dong what a crazy looking animal they are they're they're sometimes called the sea Cal uh they eat about 40 kg of sea grass a day so enormous amount of food um that's insane sometimes called The elusive mermaid as well because uh Sailors back in the day used to mistake them for um for mermaids that's how horny they were yeah you got to be drinking a lot of rum to think that that's that's a m well people just get so Desperado after long periods of time alone yeah that's a wild wild animal though it's strange that it would try to feed people and they have no idea what the motivation is right um once again like if you anthrop morphies it it just wanted interaction it wanted they're very close-knit social structure

16:41so when you have a when you have a group of them together you know they're all together very tactile rubbing up against each other so if it was in the middle of nowhere there's no more jongs around it just decided to befriend the locals and kind of go that way and there's lots of evidence with lots of animals doing that you know into species kind of friendships going on and um I've got a good story if you if you give me a second for the Jong I nearly got killed by Jong accidentally or it tried to attack you it tried to kill me really so I was filming this documentary lucive mermaid and so we've doing lots and lots of video and so I went to this one in um in vanatu and uh we're filming him and in the water playing with him and stuff like that and he really liked uh females didn't like males humans humans love so he would have some he would issues he would Chase

17:29and harass males basically but back in those days I had uh long long hair sounds like Jamie Jamie doesn't like males either um so I had long hair so I kind of fooled fooled him basically that he thought I was female so he was he was all real casual with me and then he would um he would grab uh your leg basically and he would uh on your wet suit and he clean his mouth on it and stuff like that it very tactile definitely grabbing you all clean his mouth on your leg all the bristles in front of his nose he was just kind of clean that on your wet suit and stuff he was just I know very tactile and so one time he was doing that and he kind of went a little bit too far up my leg and he felt something he went oh I saw him he looked at me went oh you're not female you're male and so he attacked me and so what he did is he he grabbed me and then it's a 900 kgam animal like you

18:18got no hope so he grabbed me holding my arms against my chest sort of thing took me down to about 5 m on the Sandy Bottom and just held me against the Sandy Bottom trying to kill you well I'm kicking I'm trashing I'm punching I'm doing everything I can to get out of this bear hug from this Chong and um oh I was down there for a minute and a half 2 minutes or something started to get the black coming in on the vision you know and I remember clear's day just thinking death by Jong didn't see that one coming and then as soon as I gave up you know just kind of stopped fighting he just let me go it was just a game was just a game for him he just wanted to prove dominance basically whoa and obviously he doesn't have any data as far as how many minutes a person can hold their breath before they die I soon as I stopped fighting and I just gave into the fact of death by Jong um

19:08he let me go I was wearing a wet suit so that what kind of brought me back to the surface but uh yeah that was a near-death experience for me wow wow Jesus Christ how terrifying and weird so he felt like you tricked him um well yeah I mostly fooled him I mean he was I was there and there was a honeymoon couple there as well there was little little Resort what we call it Resort like it was Shacks in the forest kind of thing and um I remember sitting there at dinner one time and the the the new wife is going oh come on honey jump in the water with the Jong tomorrow he's like no way I'm not hopping in cuz he would just get attacked every time so he really didn't like males um that's so strange I wonder what it is about you just long hair like how could how could they know the cultural differences between the way humans wear their hair it's interesting point I mean you could

19:57speculate and just go well he's just recognizing you know there's all long-hair people and non- long-hair people I don't know how the would he know animals are you know we need more data is do you think that's what it is or do you think it's you with your long experience lifelong experience of being around animals that maybe you were more relaxed so he was cool with you um yeah there's definitely an aspect maybe man are like hey back off and they give off that energy like back off Jong yeah yeah I mean that definitely could bee like no you back off and then he attacks him and the girl's like don't hurt me and he's like don't worry I'm good we're good we're good you know maybe he just likes people to be submissive could be that right yeah this you know the whole Alpha thing it's could be right going on everywhere yeah that's a strange strange looking animal

20:43man that would be a weird animal to kill you yeah yeah I I definitely didn't expect didn't expect to have a near-death experience with a Jong cuz you can barely get near these creatures normally um you know a fleeting Glimpse in the in the far distance is all you ever see the animal so is it when they're around Resorts or something like that where they become accustomed to humans or around where there large populations VES of another T jugon this one he died or left or something went wrong a few years back and I don't can't recall any other T jongs around the world um except in captivity um I spent a bit of time with uh two in captivity at um SeaWorld on the G Coast in Australia and uh yeah they were a bit messed up actually like most animals in captivity well it's like that lion whisperer cat what's that dude's name the handsome fella that's always on

21:33television he's on the Jimmy Kimmel show all the time and he's always hanging around with lions know you know the guy yeah and he he sees the lion he's like hello what you doing lion comes up to him he gives him a hug I'm like okay how the did you ever work that out how how do you work out that relationship is that the guy no that's one of them I think there's probably more than one of these dudes obviously it it works very 99 times out of 100 that's the well apparently this is what from what I understand like lions and big cats like uh tigers and lions when you have them as pets and you raise them as pets and you get used to them accustomed to them they're so not intimidated by you as long as they're wellfed you're pretty safe they're most likely not going to you up but they might up other people who are around you and panic and don't know how to deal and they're like what why' you

22:25bring this here I like hanging out with you and then they just whack them you know I don't think we give enough respect for Animals I mean just your your dog you know some your dog likes some people and doesn't like other people and you should always listen to your dog your dog knows best well your dog definitely knows when people are shady yeah you know when you have someone over and the dog starts growling like what the is going on man you know yeah dogs know when people are comfortable that's for sure you know I I knew this lady she had these crazy German Shepherds man but I've been around dogs my whole life and I was cool with them and she was surprised and she was like you know normally when these dogs are around people they growl and they want to bite them I'm like why don't you do something about your dogs then like everybody like your dog thinks everybody's an like

23:09that's that's probably on you that's that's bad training yeah that's not using uh well positive reinforcement if you use that technique you you can get a dog to do anything well any animal and well anyone I think she liked having aggressive dogs yeah and she liked having people intimidated around her and her dogs you know but anyway that's not you've been bitten by a box jellyfish yes dude well I've been stung technically okay yeah I'm saying bitten they don't even have a face you've been looked at and read you've been read the riot act no they don't have a mouth um how did you get how'd you get stung you did you not know it was there like what was oh no I I didn't know it was there obviously um I was about 12 years old in um Taurus straight which is a bunch of islands in between Australia and Pap guini and I was playing with a whole He of t Islanders local boys um playing in the

24:01ocean you know just swimming around and then I had one wrap around my my leg quadricep um yeah a lot of pain I've heard uh women who you know have children have said that and been stung have said that it's it's far superior pain to child birth that's Superior like they enjoy it better or uh far worse basically um in orders of magnitude worse than child birth is is how they relate the pain you'd probably have to talk to someone who's been stung by a bullet ant you know like which is supposed to be one of the most painful things I would I wonder who's got the who's got the nod like if you if you get someone listen I know you've been stung by a bullet ant I'd like to encourage you to try the Box jelly fish and tell me it's um yeah it's a lot of pain it's a kind of pain where you have to scream expletives you know you can't just sit there and take it you have to be

24:55screaming something because it's that painful um and it's super deadly to the very old and the very young um it depends where you get right yeah that's that's actually pretty good we're talking very young we're talking five six we're talking about the amount of toxin to body mass basically you know so if you're if you're a little tiny kid then it's a lot of toxin for a small body mass if you're very old then it's heart attacks aneurysms that sort of stuff wow aneurysms well just it messes you up the pain it causes you know heart attacks or right cuz you just freak out yeah too much pain um so just the physical sensation of pain is the the Catalyst for these heart attacks and all these different things like just your body freaks out I mean you are getting stung by neurotoxin don't get me wrong there's little in the tentacles of a box jellyfish there's pneumatic little

25:42tiny poisonous darts basically and when it touches something biological um so that's why you can wear a tiny little thin lro suit or panty hose whatever as long as there's something in between your skin and the box jellyfish it'll never sting you um but if it touches something biological then these little poisonous darts fire and they fire into your skin and they inject a neurotoxin and it makes for incredible amount of pain incredible and uh the first aid back then was vinegar so you got um we had a bottle of vinegar I remember clear's day my dad came over and he got the bottle of vinegar 2 L bottle of vinegar and he just put one little splash on there and then put the lid back up and I'm sort of screaming at him I'm like put the whole bottle on there but he wanted to save some in case some of the locals got stung as well so he could oh my God saving him for some

26:28he doesn't even know I got one Splash my god dad yeah I was I was screaming some expletives at him over that one so how long do a pain last um it was about 6 hours before I just passed out you know just wow it was 6 hours of pain sitting there screaming expletives and then I I guess I just tied myself out you know and then I passed out um still painful for probably about 6 months 5 months afterwards six months yeah it it lasts for a long time not as severe as that first 6 hours but it's still yeah it's it's painful 6 months I don't recommend it now oh my God that's insane is that the worst thing to happen like with from an animal other than death like as far as like pain that might be I've never heard of anything that lasts 6 months I'm sure getting mold by a line would probably yeah yeah that but you know that would be death and but you're talking about like damage

27:23like that's ripping your tissue apart and breaking bones and things along those lines what you're having is just these little tiny needles yeah and it affects you for 6 months yeah and that's not the worst jellyfish everyone goes box jellyfish corx Fleer ey they're all like oh that's the worst one well actually there's there's the worst one what's the worst one it's called irangi um it's actually a whole heap of them but they lump them all together into this irangi um sort of group and they're tiny they're the size of your pinky fingernail absolutely tiny um and the pain from them is more severe than the box jellyfish oh chist yeah and and you don't even feel the sting why don't we find them and kill them all why not what's what's wrong why is everybody not enough research not enough research on them yeah we still don't know a lot about them yeah the Russians

28:10are going to use them for toxic they're going to drop them on Manhattan a big balloon blame the Russians na some evil people that you don't know I just love how everyone always blames the Russians yeah well it's convenient yeah well you you've been accustomed to it in in TV and movies for the last few DEC well when we were kids the real thing was when I was a kid and I was in high school it was always we're worried about the Russians Ming us we're worried about you know we'd heard about the Cuban Missile Crisis and the standoff and everybody's always terrified that one day there was always the stories that you know there was one time where we almost went to war with Russia there was almost a mistake and they thought missiles were in the air and they almost s missiles of their own mutually assured that actually happened quite a few times yeah yeah so that was a gigant antic

28:58fear in America movies the bad guy was always Russian sure least in European some description it's it's ironic really because uh I mean it went away for a little while you know now it's back not really ironic but interesting that now back with with Putin is the most potent example of like the scary Russian guy ever KGB Judo black belt completely dominating this country in some sort of a strange way anytime there's some sort of political adversary they magically wind up getting shot in public nobody goes to jail for it there's a lot of corruption all around the world and I I find it funny that we always pick that out I guess I'm more aligned with probably Abby Martin on on this one I love your interviews with Abby Martin by the way um that yeah they do some bad but they also do some good stuff as well you it's it's everyone's got their bad side and good

29:53side well he's openly gangster though in a weird way like in a good in good ways and also in bad ways he's pretty openly gangster yeah have you ever watched um he does these sort of public question and answer sessions for about 2 hours once a year or something oh does he yeah have a watch it's really interesting to to watch him actually he's a very smart dude yeah very very smart man and and even I've even seen humor in it as well very very briefly but there's humor there he likes Trump no yes really he thinks Trump would be a good president you're me nope okay let's that's his guy all the respect I had from Putin is now disappearing I might have made that up check it make sure you check it Jamie I don't even trust me I mean when I look at Putin I see he wants stability that's what he wants he wants stability stability and Trump is not cash you don't think that the

30:46Bromance between Trump and Putin is over it's over what happened yeah I I didn't think a but he said he liked him for a while this just came out yesterday so oh this is yesterday so I was right for a while they've been boys until recently oh you know what it is because Donald Trump put out this ridiculous video about our toughest opponents and he showed Putin like doing judo throws and then he showed did you see that it's a hilarious video play it because it's so stupid and it shows Hillary barking like a dog it's really like I mean you could say it's defamation like he's doing this Judo throw and he shows Isis and then he throws the Democrats have the perfect answer but you don't see that but she's they're making bark noises bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark make America great again here it goes you'll see it here you'll hear the music see Isis and then

31:39the Democrats have the perfect how rude can you just do that can you just put bark noises in her did she actually make those noises that was her making it yeah oh well I guess you can a good little remix of it I think when you're run it for president everything's fair game but I saw video that I retweeted today it's it's it's called 13 minutes of Hillary Clinton lying that someone posted it's all her saying one thing and then saying a completely different thing that she's always stood for a completely different thing like almost she forgets well they just wanted to make it so it's you could absorb it yeah I'm sure you could get deep as in Australian American politics is hilarious and also really sad that's how we how we feel I mean you guys think you're having right now the rest of the world we we're viewing this as an IQ test and um yeah you're not doing so

32:33well yeah well uh I think it's an job and I think only want that job at this point in time I think at one point in time the real you're right you're right but it became that with special interest groups with uh corporate donations being completely unrestricted now you know where corporations can kind of act as an individual and they have the freedom to it's ins and so it's become a money grab and a a real strange one so what interests me is these guys like Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump for two different reasons Bernie Sanders because he's a socialist and he doesn't want anyone's money and he wants to take down corporations and he wants everybody to pay more money to their workers and he wants free health care and free education and he's an extreme Lefty you know well hang on I got to stop you right there MH the rest of the world Bernie Sanders would be

33:27slightly left Hillary Clinton would be probably right yeah right and Donald Trump would be out of the building on the right hand side yes um because when you look at Europe Australia is not a great example at the moment because we're kind of following you guys but um when you look at Europe like yeah nearly all your candidates are right of Center even though they're Democrats or whatever um Bernie Sanders I've heard a little bit about and you know some of the stuff I agree with I must me too yeah I do as well I agree with a lot of his social stuff a lot I I agree with the minimum wage thing that's the one thing that I I need to real talk to like a real Economist who's like a Centrist someone who has a real objective perspective on it because a lot of people just trying to like protect money and they don't want they definitely don't want to pay more to workers they

34:10don't want a minimum wage to be 15 bucks an hour or what you would call living minimum wage but what I I agree with a lot of his stuff as far as like people like just just um social issues you know his issues when it comes to uh the legalization of Rec recreational drugs his issues when it comes to a lot of things like education being far too expensive and students being saddled down with ridiculous amounts of debt before they get out and then why can't we engineer a system where reasonable Health Care is taken care of for people like normal regular stuff there is no reason why you can't the rest of the world is doing it re it's true but I have friends that live in Canada and their healthare is atrocious like the way they describe it this is from me personally from them and there's more than one person they've had issues with needing surgery and they have to wait a

35:02year like hip hip replacements and knee surgeries and things along those lines where they're just limping around for like a year waiting to get in I can't speak of Canada but I can speak of Australia because we have obviously very similar system Australia is fantastic by the way you don't have to wait at all like I I go in and see a doctor in the morning and I can have a cat skin in the afternoon or what have you you need to if it's like knee reconstruction yeah you get put on a list you wait 3 months um 3 months is not bad cuz you you might wait 3 months in America yeah like it's it's not that bad but if it's something um more minor or or definitely more urgent you're in surgery that afternoon that's great and then also that's a public system we also have a private system as well so I pay $600 a year which most Americans find amazing but $600 a year and that means I

35:48have a choice where I can go to the public or the Private Hospital and so if I get told oh you got to wait 3 months I can go well I'll use the Private health insurance and you're on on Tuesday that's incredible well you have a better system than than apparently what's been described to me about Canada yeah and England as well um but I just Australia is just so great as far as like the cities and the people like Melbourne I was in Melbourne and I was like man I don't even think I want to leave like I could live there Melbourne is fantastic but I point out though Australia though it's not about the cities it's about the Outback it's about the great bar Reef it's about the remote places that's Australia that's for you you're you're all about the places where you can die get killed by Tasmanian tigers and well they're not really it's like a dog right Tas it's a Tasmanian tiger did

36:36you ever see that movie um where um what's his face William defo goes and hunts the last one finds a Tasmanian tiger and hunts it I missed that one stupid movie it's it's it seemed like a good idea but then you watch it you're like it's really goofy and then the Tasmanian Tiger obviously they're extinct so it's a it's a very like CGI Tasmanian tiger yeah like the um remember the lions in I Am Legend oh yeah that would be like what that's how the Tasmanian Tiger looks in this yeah there it is the hunter yeah for some reason he is hired I don't remember the premise I like William defo so I'm kind of interested and yet at the same time yeah it's interesting I mean well the Outback is so the thing about Australia that's fascinating to me is how few people there are but yet how enormous this the actual country it's oh yeah it's huge it's the size of Europe it's the size of

37:24uh Continental USA it's huge and there's there 20 something million people in the entire country 20 what are we up to I think we're up to 24 now somewhere around there that's Los Angeles yeah we got we got some big deserts and stuff though we got a lot of big space that's not really that great um not habitable yeah but uh yeah we got some we don't have few too many people and we've solded immigration uh completely so we don't have any uh Refugee problem or anything like that really yeah we sold it we solved it oh solved yeah how how' you solve it oh very very simple um you do a trump like War Bas well we we've got an ocean so we use that um so when people come across on boats uh Refugee boats you know jam-packed full of people coming across we we meet them with uh Coast Guard and then we turn them around and then if they don't turn around then we get all the people on uh

38:19Co Coast Guard military boats and then we take them to another country to a detention camp and then we put them in there wow um if you're a reporter or maybe you're with red cross or something and you go visit these D detention camps you can put in jail for about oh God 10 years or something for reporting on anything that's going on there so we've totally we've solved the problem because you can't report on it and yeah that seems a little up doesn't it we you know how you had George W bush we had our own little George W bush a few years ago yeah his name was Tony Abbott and he um he was messed up he was very messed up this is all his policies yeah this is all his policy cuz he came into power going I'm going to stop the boats and so that's how he did it he just shipped him off to Naru papini um to other countries and then made it you know punishable by

39:11years in jail to report anything about it wow it's crazy that's insane but we solved the problem well I guess you could say that but that sounds like how Trump would do it yeah it's so like you're saying that Trump is right you know way off the the charts right that sounds like your old president isn't it yeah it's what I hate about it other than it's just terrible for the people involved is that we've lost our moral standing we can't turn around and go oh uh you know China you're you know you're doing this that the other for for uh you know I've lost the word but you know um we don't have that Authority anymore we don't have that high stance anymore cuz we're doing messed up stuff to people as well yeah and still going on to this day no way you will not make a home what is that is that was that campaign holy man but I bet you let some nice white people in I know uh my I

40:06have some friends that are comedians that have moved there that they love it there my friend arj Barker he's gigantic over there he he became a huge huge star in Australia yeah he's I mean I've watched quite a few of his shows in Australia yeah um yeah funny man funny man yeah very funny but I mean what's interesting is he kind of just he's a regular comic here like you know he's like uh a Tony henchcliffe or you know a guy who does well headlines and clubs over there he's a superstar like when I was over there like the first time I went to Sydney and uh you know I met people and they what do you do I'm stand up comedian do you know ARB everybody is that a bad accent that's a bad bad do you know ar ar bker next you're going to be throwing shrimps on the barbie or something no I wouldn't go that far man I'm not I'm not like that um but anyway Australia's

40:56awesome so it seems like really good place though to uh have a base if you want to explore like if you're from that part of the world I have a friend my friend Adam greenry lives out in Australia and he's a bow hunter and he's just constantly taking these incredible he's a great photographer as well and he has these incredible photographs on his website and on his blog he pull some of those up because you can see him but he um Adam green tree and he's just uh constantly he's got a this Toyota that he had specifically set up up for expeditions you I can like live out of it for like weeks you know most Australians have that set up most Australians have some camping set up for a month you know out of their truck I saw a lot of those like snorkel and stuff like they were super common oh yeah I mean you got some stretches in the outpack there where you can

41:45literally go for 500 km without a fuel station so you've got to take extra fuel you've got to you got to be prepared yeah they have those Jerry cans that they strap up to the roof of the car these gigantic jugs of gasoline and and you just but that's the real Australia I can't point that out enough like everyone goes to I've been to Australia I've been to Sydney I'm like no you went to a nice city you know the real Australia is uh where I'm from cans you know up the northeast corner um where you've got rainforest and you've got you know uh great bar reef and you got the Outback and that sort of stuff they think there's the oldest evidence of life ever um that is on Earth in uh Australia there was an Ancient Ancient Reef there's Adams some of Adams photos there's one of them he's got some amazing photos that he's taken but he just go to he's got a website a really cool check him out yeah

42:36um but anyway so oldest are you talking the human habitation or no not human like biological life there's some sort of a enormous Reef that they found um in Australia that was just billions of years old I me I where I started with Lim blad National Geographic was in the kimbley region of Australia which is the kind of northwest corner incredibly remote you know 100 km to the nearest Road wherever you go you can only access it via these kind of ships that's the only way you can get there and you know you'll be cruising through 100 met High 300t sorry um uh Sandstone Canyons you know and the Rocks there are 1.8 billion years old they predate fossils you know and that's the Canyons that you're cruising through the whole time it blows your mind to see that kind of stuff and then up there as well as the oldest uh human habitation and then that's looking at about well there's still the data is

43:29still coming in but about 50,000 years old so the place the oldest human habitation on Earth uh that's definitely in Australia in the kimbery there I'm not too sure about on Earth um older than Africa well Aboriginal people the the native people they came into Australia once again lots of people vary the the numbers on this but about 60 70,000 years ago so that's when they entered into Australia um so they've been there for a long time very very long time and their artwork there just will blow you away right but obviously people were they they existed in Africa earlier than that right yeah I mean Homo sapiens sapiens you're talking about 200,000 years ago they that the species our species kind of evolved Out of Africa probably around Kenya somewhere around there and then we started migration um and so we followed the coast which makes sense most of our food

44:20was in the inter tile Zone you know that's where our food was so we followed the coast and so you go around basically Middle East you know all the way down down into Indonesia and then across a short canoe ride probably the first you know the first uh ocean Crossing um into Australia and that's about yeah I think 70,000 60,000 years ago wow yeah it's uh that culture has been there for a long time and there's a lot we can learn from Aboriginal people in fact there's a lot of good lot of interesting stuff another horrible human rights violation that you guys did and they stole stole Aboriginal kids the English Empire struck again started to raise them yeah we did some we did some keep saying we we didn't you and I didn't kill any sharks we didn't steal any original babies we can't keep saying we well I'm part of humanity you know you take a little bit of blame for it I I don't

45:10know about blame but we're we're a part of the race that has done some up but has also created Cell Phones well I mean that pools that's all forgiven then really airplanes no not forgiven but you know it's sort of like your perspective thing when you're talking about sharks yeah you got to put it in perspective how many people have actually stole Aboriginal babies you know when you look at the billions of people on the entire planet very few have actually done that um Native cultures have had a really hard hard truck they really have and if aliens landed we'd have a hard time it's always it's how it always is the most technologically advanced Society thinks when it finds some sort of a native Society that's living in a a way that they used to live a long time ago like oh you you don't even know what you're doing yet like you got to figure out this whole wheel gun thing so this

45:59whole you know they were living sustainably in environment for 70,000 years and not you know not doing anything basically wrong or or harming that environment at any stage and then you know we know better yeah that's how we think I guess but I mean we definitely shouldn't do that but I don't want to live on Horseback and Chase Buffalo with a stick we don't have to that's that's I mean you hear this everyone thinks that doing something about like climate change or environment or something is going to make reduction in your your living oh that's a totally different argument I'm talking about invading into places where people are living you know this indigenous lifestyle like this is the issue they having right now in the Amazon you know these tribes that are essentially completely they they're almost non-influential and things uh to make up for what we're doing to the environment

46:51yeah no arguments here there's obviously some going down oh yeah a little warm out lately it is a little warm out lately last month what was it Northern Hemisphere 2° above industrial times 2 de Celsius it's it's interesting you know um better than cooling though cooling is much more terrifying global cooling is horrifying that's when populations drop off that's when Innovation drops off that's when it gets really scary I would say the wling is just going to be just as bad have you ever read any of the work or or listened to any of the work by Randall Carlson he's a fascinating fascinating but I I can't recall now he's been on the podcast several times maybe you've heard him there with Graham Hancock as well but he's an expert in impacts and uh asteral impacts oh yes okay he was doing the stuff out at Utah or whatever um the glacial thing yeah I'm with yeah and

47:45he's basically uh taken his entire life studying both climate change that you know prehistoric climate change climate change when then the the last ice age till now and connecting some of the climate change some of it with uh impacts with asteroidal impacts at the end of the Ice Age which is you know 10 plus thousand yearses perf sense why would it not like well there's evidence like actual evidence of impacts and and um what they call nuclear uh nuclear glass I think it's called Triton night and it's from uh they you get it when they do nuclear test sites they find it and you also get it from meteor impact sites and uh it's just like cool looking Green Glass where the the ground just overheated the Sands tend to but it's all over Europe and Asia uh in around 12,000 years and they're pointing to that as evidence of uh just massive impacts like we we got hit by everyone I

48:44mean the the laying always goes oh the last you know big impact 65 million years ago you know the KT boundary with dinosaurs and stuff like that there has been impacts constantly since then and uh and there's we just need more evidence basically to fill in the gaps but there's been a lot of impacts we it wouldn't surprise me in our lifetime that we see an impact yeah we will well we we certainly have on other planets we saw a giant one on Jupiter that was yeah that was crazy oh my God Shuma leing yeah yes Shuma L was as large as the entire planet Earth that's how big the impact was big rock well not the rock itself the impact explosion was as large as a planet Earth f appar a good place to use your budget maybe maybe you know yeah I guess work on a bit of space defense or something yeah I hope they can figure that out well think about it we're probably the

49:35first species on this planet to ever get to the point where we could we have the technology to defend the planet from these cataclysmic events yeah we're the first people to have that ability but we're not using it well we're the first people to come close to having that ability I I think they have some inkling as to how to do that right now like uh coding them with some sort of a uh silicone or something like that so many different ways nudge them yeah nudge them is the easiest way you just go land something on them with a rocket on it and then start burning that rocket and if you do it early enough you will change the trajectory enough to get it out of Lucky there's so many of them that's part of the problem right there's like 900,000 near Earth objects yeah but it's within our power we we can do it and it's crazy that we're not because really that's that's that can really mess up

50:28society that we currently have that's a nice way of putting it mess up yeah it'll mess soety maybe Australia be the spot well you guys have been hit too that was one of the things that uh Randall concentrated on he showed these uh slides last time he was here maybe the time before that where he showed these massive tsunami erosion marks all over this one area of Australia which indicate there was something that landed in the ocean uh off the coast and just caused massive massive title waves I think he was saying if I remember correctly somewhere around 6,000 plus years ago yeah but I me you can get those title waves just from earthquakes you know you don't even have to have an impact to get a tsunami coming in and the tsunami if you don't remember the one sort of in Indonesia and stuff like that in Sri Lanka like it can do a lot of damage you know I was looking at your

51:17notes man did you see a UFO I I think so well it's it's unidentified flying object yes I did was it little alien and green men I'm I'm not too sure on that one um do you think it might have been need more evidence um where was it so I spent a lot of time on boats when I was growing up you know so I'd spend months or months out at Sea and uh so I'd regularly you know be in the middle of nowhere thousand kmet from you know the nearest town or light source and so you'd go out middle of the night go to the toilet which a toilet on a boat is basically go over to the side um hang hang over the railing and uh and so you look at these stars like and there you see this you see satellites you see you know the most most people I don't think even have ever seen the amount of stars you can get when you get to a very remote location to the point where you see individual satellites going over and

52:09stuff like that and so that's what I grew up doing most nights you know I would be sitting there and looking at this and once or twice I did see some stuff that you go hang on and being a bit of a I'm a bit of an aviation buff I love sort of space and Aviation go hang on that's not quite right that doesn't make sense of how that object went that way and then turned around and went the other way how old were you oh we were talking between 10 to 15 somewhere around there that's the problem my memory between that age is dog but it was more than one on one occasion but we're in the middle of nowhere like we were literally if there was ever if you're doing a secret military uh plane flly or something that would be the place to do it cuz we're in the middle of nowhere and what did you see what did you do um seen some some big lights uh going just low uh Fair distance away

52:57nothing hovering over me or anything but you know going off into the distance and then I remember seeing one time where I went out there and and started to do my thing and then I saw a light that looked like you know Venus you know like a bright star like hm that's interesting bit late for Venus to be up CU normally Venus is you know right at the start sunset sunrise sort of thing it's a bit strange and then you know and then you look back and it's moved and then you're like well hang on and then you try and work it out with the Boat Moving and stuff like that and then it just started to move and then turn around and move the other way and it's just like my from my knowledge of Aviation it's like there's nothing really that can do that so what it was who knows but I just I find the whole thing fascinating I find it interesting yeah I think I well first

53:41of all I want to believe so bad I always have from the time I was a child and I think many people share that romantic notion of how amazing it would be if we were visited by some intelligent life another there not aliens and it's a big waste of space man well the most likely is something alive out there the question is whether or not it's visiting us yeah and if it did visit us it would have to be so far removed from what we think is possible as far as like technology but we we also I think part of like what's going on with our own minds when we consider the future so we know that technology keeps improving we keep innovating we keep coming up with new methods for all sorts different things and one day we're most likely going to be able to regularly journey to other parts of the universe most likely if we raise NASA's budget slightly nothing yes and if well I think private

54:38sector is probably the best option I mean when when people start finding profit in visiting I mean if they can figure out how to mine for diamonds isn't there like one of Jupiter's moons or something like that that's made out of diamonds like or not Jupiter's moons it's actually another planet they found out in the like one of the uh newly see if you find that there's a planet made out of diamonds out there well we we think based on looking at wavelengths of light coming from hundreds of light years away whatever not really we sorry you're good you're good I yeah here it is language yeah English is a great astronomers discover a planet made of diamonds Jesus Christ racing around a tiny star in our Galactic backyard yeah so if they could figure out how to visit that they'd blow a F first of all diamonds would be worth like a dollar well I mean that whole gravity waves thing is is a great

55:32step forward that suddenly we are seeing that there you can adjust gravity or gravity is adjustable to a certain degree that's probably where the interstellar technology will come from right more research into that area and the fact that we just kind of we they just proved it it's that that concept that they sort of bastardized In the Event Horizon did you ever see that movie yeah yeah great they talk about folding space time and punching a hole through the two points so you would surmount you would uh rather um you would um Traverse insurmountable distances in a very short period of time my understanding is that's Wormhole technology um where with the gravity waves it's I think probably Star Trek does it well Enterprise where you basically you're just uh adjusting this the the fabric of SpaceTime in front and behind the ship and so you're not moving faster than the speed of light you're

56:26just kind of making a bubble in the SpaceTime that you then travel in um it's fascinating when you read right into it and I think that's probably where it will come from but yeah we need a lot more studying on that one yeah you think yeah we'll get there but we will I mean if we if humans survive 100,000 years I mean imagine and that's the concept the concept is if there's some life form out there we've been alive or this planet rather has been around for 4 something billion years so if something just just had a different combination of elements and maybe perhaps lives in a protected area where they don't have a gigantic asteroid field just outside of uh distance between Mars and Jupiter you know like we do or I mean it's like there's comets and all mean they might live in some protected area where they have uh more freedom to uh to grow and innovate and we're in a goldilock Zone

57:18if you really look into it like for us we are totally in a gold Lo Zone even the moon right but you know the dinosaurs is only 65 million years ago got completely smooshed by a rock like that could happen you know and you know that big crater outside Nevada like these there's so many of them that could I mean it is possible though that there is a solar system out there that doesn't have this issue that for whatever reason doesn't have nearly as many asteroids and so some life form has been innovating for millions of years more than us but me we could do that right now that's what I'm saying we have the technology right now to stop these cataclysmic uh impacts I think you're being a little generous I think they miss a lot of them a good percentage of them because of the the gravity and the way the sun is and the Sun is so massive a million times larger than

58:12Earth that I think when things are coming behind the sun often times we don't even see them until it's too late and until we can figure that out and you got these Manhattan siiz chunks of rock flying our way I think uh one day maybe we'll be be able to do it but my point being that it is possible there's some sort of a civilization out there that doesn't have to deal with impacts that maybe maybe they've developed in a way that they don't have predators the way we do they haven't they don't have this need for um for Warfare the way that we do maybe they have some unique method of communication that allows for more understanding than just mouth noises well I mean I wouldn't say it's a need but it is it is prevalent throughout history so it's seems to be a part of humans it's it's arguable that we can move past it for sure and I I certainly hope we can

59:02obviously we can we can do it in small groups we can do it in cities we can do it but War has existed as long as humans have existed so you would say if you were studying human beings objectively not idealistically not not looking at things through rosecolor glasses you would say well this is what humans do it's one of the things they do you know if you were studying us as an animal if you were some species from another planet you'd say well they do shoot each other a lot as Collective group yes go to the individual level and I think yeah I think the opinion is totally different you go to an individual and they don't want to kill other people it's in human nature we don't want to kill other people right but I mean just objectively I mean it's sort of like the way you look at sharks you know you look at sharks you say well you know they only kill five of us a year it's not you know

59:45really they're harmless well they are kind of harmless until one of them bites you you know and that's sort of the same way about people yes most of the time humans are wonderful most of times people are like you and I we have a drink we clink glasses we enjoy our company we have a great chat and that's most of the interactions you're ever going to have with people are great most most times like but the vast majority of interactions you have especially in America where there's plenty of food you know there's plenty of space and people are well taken care of yeah most of the time everything's going to be great but when you tally up the numbers for seven billion people and then the battle for natural resources and then religious ideologies come into play and there's a lot of killing going on constantly you know I mean so it's it's an unavoidable I mean you could certainly make the argument

60:33that we can do better but if you just wanted to look at us right now just no ideology attached just look at what a human being is human beings kill we're killing all over the place we're killing each other all over the place it's just happening right now as we're talking there's people shooting people there's bombs going off you know it's people killing themselves this it's going on so it's it is a part of human beings that we have we have come to accept but it doesn't necessarily mean that other life forms have this you know I mean there it is potentially Poss huge waste of resources it any evolved alien that we ever encountered I would say very unlikely that they would do Warfare cuz it's just such a waste of resources it's how do you get to Interstellar travel if you're spending all your money working out new ways to kill each other it just it doesn't work well also like what's

61:21the benefit of it like what is the benefit of it the benefit of it is all personal it's all like whatever group gets to dominate the resources whatever group gets to you know may maybe their their genetics pass on genas K style whereas the the the the people that were dominated they don't get to I mean it's all very primitive in a lot of ways it's very animalistic the big adct syndrome yeah in some way yeah I or it's just it's a genetic thing right but if we get past that like one of the weirder things in UFO folklore is the idea of uh genetic manipulation the idea that human beings have been created um by did you watch the latest X Files did you no I did not I haven't seen the new X Files is it good all is it on Fox is it on Fox again um I don't know it's think yeah is it yeah I think it's great that they're doing it again I probably should watch it since I love the old one the reason I

62:13bring it up is because that's pretty much what the last two episodes is all about that's going on and on about that well that's a big theme in UFO folklore uh and also in Zechariah sitchin's work who is you know about that guy once again heard of him don't think I've ever read anything he's a guy who was a Biblical scholar and a linguist and he uh knew a lot about ancient languages and he had a very controversial de um he s he what he did is he went over the Sumerian text the CI form you know those clay tablets with the weird lines and and what he came up with and really he's like the only one out of all the other Sumerian Scholars he believes that the Anunnaki which are descript depicted in these ancient you know Sumerian texts he believe it was an ancient he believed it was an ancient um civilization of aliens that came down here and their planet is in an elliptical orbit that

63:17travels between um Mars and Jupiter yeah yeah exactly which they now think is they now think there is a planet out there yeah they don't necessarily think it's uh nubiru which is what he he called it and what they called it in the text but his his um deciphering of the Samarian text is hugely controversial and there's a website actually called siten is wrong and if you go to sit is wrong I think it's doc might be.org but if you go to sitch and is wrong they sort of highlight all the errors that they believe he made but it's so convoluted like you have to be some sort of a scholar to even understand the argument and you to understand C form that weird writing with the little lines and but the um some of the ancient clay tablets forget about understanding the language the ancient clay tablets are fascinating I mean they had a an exact description of the solar system a drawing of all the

64:14planets in the proper order with the proper sizes and this is 6,000 years ago including Pluto ancient cultures amaze me and I think it's probably when I first started listening to you is interview with grahe Hancock cuz just such a big fan you read all his books love him to death and uh and I remember reading his books you know back in the day whatever it was early '90s or something and reading yeah ancient and it just made sense to me that there is lots of ancient civilizations going way back and the evidence is everywhere you just have to open your eyes a little bit to it and you know I love that back then in the '90s it was pseudo science today it's like yeah of course of course there's lots of ancient civilizations and we just need to find more and more and I think one of the best ones is did you ever hear about in Egypt you know cuz they uncover so little in Egypt

65:00there's so much more there you see the new stuff the well I saw that two days ago no no not the latest they believe they found Nefertiti's tomb o they found they found two hidden tombs um in in Egypt then they believe they might have located where she's buried you see that Jamie I retweeted it like two days um maybe yesterday I think what I King tutt's tomb 90% chance of hidden Chambers get nef's resting place crazy what I was uh getting at is that this uh researcher she took the data from satellites ground penetrating radar oh s yeah do you see that documentary fascinating and it just shows that the whole of Egypt is just covered in these tombs underground they're everywhere and there's so much more information and the more research we do we're going to find out as ancient civilizations going way way back I mean I I don't know Egypt very well never been but in Australia and the Kimberly

65:54there's this uh two types of artwork there there's this w w which is from the Aboriginal people that live there and it's been going on for a couple thousand years then there's this other artwork uh called the Bradshaw or the goyon goyon and uh we know it's over 30,000 years old but really it could be a lot lot further so it's from a group of people who were in Australia before the aboriginals W and you look at some of these pictures and they're amazing amazingly intricate and you can't even see the the ochre anymore there's no paint anymore it's just the shadow of where the paint was that's what you're actually viewing cuz it's so old so they can't actually carbon date it they just look at say a wasp nest grows on top of it and then they carbonate that so they go okay well it's older than the was nest and so we're talking around about 30,000 probably a bit more but some of

66:40this artwork is crazy and I've I've never seen it personally but there is one out there drawing which basically has pictures of these you know the people who they have the go go and Bradshaw people these long really skinny long sort of people and there's one with a UFO in it as well um and intricate drawings of all the animals that were there and it's fascinating stuff and once again one guy did a lot of research um and he a lot of his research still hasn't been released of of where it all is and and what's going on there is literally everywhere you walk up there there's this Ancient Ancient artwork it's crazy and it's from a culture that is very very old probably 30 to 50,000 in my opinion this the data suggest over over 25,000 years ago that's so fascinating to me like like just when you were talking about going through those canyons and it's 1.8 billion years

67:29old like just that that the that amount of time this sort of impossible to grasp distance in time it's it's we in our mind we just can't it just we just can't and so that when you think about that like this insurmountable amount of time and then think about like just 30,000 years ago which is still insur I mean we think of oh 30,000 in comparison to 1.8 billion not that long ago but it's impossible you you your mind is not going to get it it's a number it's like I have $30,000 like that you understand you make $30,000 you understand $30,000 you don't understand 30,000 years it just it's not going getting in there at least my my Beyond Comprehension for most people you you just kind even comprehend it but the um the Graham Hancock stuff combined with the Randall Carlson stuff is to me where it all sort of comes together because Randall Carlson offers an explanation for these these

68:30civilizations being so Advanced but yet all essentially wiped out just rising sea levels can explain that I mean so many people don't know that the sea level was about 150 M lower than it is today yeah um and so all these civilizations civilizations are always put on the coast um so you're right on the coast massive amount of people and then suddenly 150 M of waterers there there is so much uh that we still discover on our Coast in 150 M of water there will be lots and lots of evidence down there but it gets covered in silk within a thousand years and it's hard to find someday they're going to find Miami they're going to find Miami and they're going what the hell happened here Jesus Christ there bags of coke and fake tits they're just going to find like stilettos and Ferraris underwater I like that as a thought experiment of go forward 10,000 years and be a geologist

69:22looking back at our little time frame here the anthrop scene or whatever you want to call it where humans have been impacting the planet like that layer of rock what are you going to find in there I find that interesting what do you think's going to be there they're going to find those kettle bells behind you the werewolf one they going to what the were these people doing that's what they're going to find well you're going to find uh only Stone really essentially I mean have you ever seen that um uh there was a documentary that they did where they showed like what would happen within a thousand years if we just abandoned cities like what would happen how quickly I think that was it yeah series amazing right well there's some photos of Detroit um it's really interesting how nature is taking over buildings in Detroit like trees are growing through the center of houses and this is only

70:05within a few decades the main source of like erosion in the kimbley and stuff like that is plants and so in the wet in the dry season they grow into the cracks and stuff their roots and then in the wet season they absorb all this water and their Roots swell and exerts a pressure about I think about 3,000 PSI it just literally just cracks it and that happens to concrete if you're not constantly pulling out all those grass seeds and making sure stuff isn't growing around concrete all our infrastructure will be crumbled and and very little left just by plants is that amazing yeah I pulled the well I didn't pull it I had a problem with my toilet and uh I put this on Instagram find that that toilet monster so uh I had the guy come over the Plumber guy and uh I like it just doesn't flush I don't know what's going on so he they you know use like a snake that has a camera on it and

70:54they find that there was a crack in the pipe and that Roots had gone through this small crack in the pipe gotten inside the the toilet pipe and filled the entire pipe with the root system I mean it looked like an animal I mean we're talking about something that was like four plus feet long enormous look at it look at that up there ohra they pulled that out of my toilet isn't that insane yeah but doesn't surprise me at all I me doesn't surprise me either now but back then I was like what the there will be I mean that Life After People you watch that I think they get to 100 years and you barely recognize a city 100 years later some there's some cool photos of in Detroit look at that photo of this these houses that are just being taken over by trees that's the center of a house it just trees grow in the middle of it they burst through the foundation they break through the bottom floors

71:47they go through the ceiling they fill up look at that house yeah well this is something that we were talking about before we started the show you were talking talking about being in Costa Rica and these people see like what you would call like Phantom pyramids like they think people always want to they it's very beneficial to find ancient structure so there's a there's a few ancient structures throughout the world that are extremely controversial because people look at them and they go well no that's a yard dang that's like a essentially it's a a structure that is just a natural structure that you're trying to attribute to a civilization well there's enough ancient structures out there to be amazed let's just put that forth like you don't need find hundreds of them the the the 20 or 30 that we have is amazing right but we like finding them in our yard yeah

72:31that's where I was uh chpo if you ever heard of that that's where I went in Costa Rica I was visiting my cousin uh down there and uh amazing Vibe I just got to put that out there like when you're up in the mountains there I had a little cabina on the top of a ridge looking over this massive Valley and the vibe and the like it's just phenomenal cuz the indigenous people there are still relatively in touch with the environment and there's large areas there where me as a Greeno I can't go you know I can't go anywhere near it um only the um the indigenous people are there and people look at satellite maps and they go yeah this is a one massive pyramid the largest pyramid in the world I'm like could also just be a mountain as well like I'm all about evidence show me the evidence and I'm I got an open mind I'm happy why do they think it's the largest pyramid in the world just by

73:20if you look at the satellite data and then draw it out it would be the largest pyramid in the world right but what makes them think that it's a pyramid uh shape and stuff like that yeah I that's it right there that's a Mountain is that churo though yeah Cho Grande get out of here son that's ridiculous well there's actually just behind where I live there's a place called Walsh's pyramid and there is actually this little Hill Mountain whatever you want that's in the shape of a pyramid perfectly and where is this um it's in can's called Walsh pyramid people run up and down it all the time there's a big Fitness thing for it um it's you know and that's pretty much a pyramid but it's just dirt it's just a natural formation oh okay so it's not a pyramid but that mountain is a mountain that's like saying the Earth is the biggest soccer ball in the world I mean

74:11it kind of is if we were big enough to kick it around yeah exactly you know but it's it's the Earth we found a huge ball it's 24,000 miles in a circle and you're standing on it as as I said before the show Costa Rica there's so crazy people down there look I've got an open mind I'm willing to listen to people but uh yeah show me the evidence there's a way that you can get when you party too much where your grasp on reality is like holding on to a dolphin with olive oil on your hands you just analy just whoop you just can't quite grasp it and I've met a lot of people like that a lot of people like that because of my reputation within the you know quote unquote psychedelic community and my connections to marijuana and psychedelic drugs and all that stuff I've met so many I've for before I go negative amazing people I've met some really fascinating open-minded people that have

75:09uh Dennis McKenna the Lorenzo Hagerty I've met some amazing people but I've also met some like some people that they've lost their ability to discern what might be possible versus what you're adding to all this stuff to make it more fantastic than it really is and and by doing so you you you've entered into this sort of fantasy land and you've sort of negated all potential realistic uh interpretations of reality when I meet people like that and I do too I I always push them towards I'm saying okay so you've read these books now now go read a physics textbook and just you know get all your information then make your own opinions your own opinion well you're dealing with more high level people you're dealing with book readers I'm dealing with you YouTube Watchers man I would like to tune you into a YouTube video about reptilians don't be so quick to dismiss them

76:04brother they're amongst us I'm very lucky that in my job and I guess the brand National Geographic as well it brings in people who are progressive nature lovers generally rather intelligent I have dinner with these people and that's probably one of the biggest perks for me is you meet people who are just fascinating you go well cuz they always attack you with questions so you spend half the meal just answering questions like we're doing now kind of thing and then then eventually you turn around you go well what do you do and generally the graduates of Harvard or MIT and it's like what do you do well on the International Space Station the little box that spins the solar panels I invented that you know um even some oh I met I think it was the older George Bush's George HW Bush's lawyer had some very perent questions for him um you just meet some really interesting people

76:51um that are kind of yeah unknown I suppose to a certain degree and just hearing their opinions and and their life story it's fascinating old people are fascinating well it seems like being involved in National Geographic would make kind of like a magnet for curiosity yeah and curious people just come to you and go oo like that's as soon as you messaged me I was like oo this guy seen some yep um yeah there's a lot of I've worked on other ships that don't have the National Geographic brand and yeah you get you still get % really cool interesting people but then you get a group of people who also aren't that interested in what's going on um and that's kind of our selling point is that we have all these experts on there I mean I wouldn't go so far as call myself an expert but like we went to Easter isand a couple months ago and we had the world expert on Easter isand on board the ship you

77:43know that was that was the guy that was living next door to me that's the guy from your Instagram page uh yeah yeah uh clo yes um what's his last name uh how do you pronounce it Jamie adam. crop on uh Instagram um his uh the photos of Easter Island to me I am absolutely Blown Away by Easter Island and perplexed and fascinated and and I I always try to understand I'm like why would someone spend so much time to make these statues and where are they getting these stones from and like and they go deep deep deep into the ground like when you go deeper into the ground you see that it's not just a head there's a whole body and a full figure down there no what do you mean is that fake that's fake all those pictures where they dug into the ground you see like arms and stuff there shoulders and stuff like that they're not I suppose you could say that some of

78:36them do have bodies yes but most of the ones you see sh the most of them are like that just most of them but that's what you see but under the ground isn't there more I mean this is obviously a victim of erosion right these things have been eroded by time and wind and sand these ones actually they couldn't be bothered moving them these are R the Quarry this is where they've cut them out of the side of the mountain this this group right here yeah and so and then they haven't uh been bothered or whatever's happened they haven't been bothered to move them what a cute doggy who's doggy um just random dog came up and sat in my photos everywhere really yeah love so was like a wild dog yeah yeah just wild there's so many dogs on that island and they're all so friendly and lovely and I as soon as I see that I know that's a good Community that's one of the things for me straight away yeah

79:21so um Jamie see if you could find those photos of Easter Island where they uh they dig there's some Expeditions that they've done where they've dug out around the statues and dug deep down and you could see arms it's more than just a head well the one the photo that I had on the Instagram there with claudo he's sitting next to a whole um see this thing goes all the way down you see his hands his arms that's a big one yeah that's a big one um but that's real right I I personally didn't see that one it's from the UCLA but there is ones what I was describing where the one picture I have he's got a whole heap that got knocked over by tsunami and he's put them back up and they're full ones with they're basically standing up with their hands over their belly yeah like that so you have the with the top hat on top what is that one on the upper left Jamie with the heads above yeah

80:07right there what the hell is that that's fake right that's fake yeah yeah they're like Yol don't don't get me wrong this the first question when I got there the first question I was like so is there bodies underneath them or first question but um they say no because they don't want to dig they're like crazy Gro all sorts of politics always always with anything like this is there yeah crazy politics is it hard when you go to these these communities because you want to respect their cultures and their way but you also want to kind of get to the bottom of these things as much as you can in a brief amount of time I suppose how do I attack that one um I I suppose when you get the expert on board you know and then you you get to hear about all these sort of stuff but I guess most people going through here wouldn't hear half the stuff that that we learn about

80:51because you don't have that world expert sitting there you've got you know just some random tour guide or something like that yeah so there's a lot to it and I know with claudo he had epic battles with the government cuz he just wanted to restore it was just a big pile of them piled up and he wanted to come in here with a crane put them all back to how they were and yeah the amount of flack and and backlash and and trouble that he went through over I think it was more than 5 years something to do it it's so unfortunate but that happens in so many of these places where they want to sort of preserve the narrative like they have a narrative and they've been you know giving these speeches and they have this idea of the timeline how everything was done and when new evidence comes along they're very very reluctant to accept it you find that a lot in Egypt well I mean here's a guy

81:36that wrote 20 papers about that particular narrative and you've just come over and said actually that's all wrong or or there's a different aspect to it of course they're going to get up and yeah it's a lot of push back there a course like that um what I found very interesting about Easter Island was the Birdman culture have you heard about that yes put go into it though please so you've got this this culture with the statues and stuff and then that culture actually kind of not died out but it definitely went out of favor and then you had the Birdman culture come into it and that was the last one to be there when you know Western Civilization kind of turned up and that was crazy it was a a competition every year where they would all uh run uh swim out to another Island down a steep Cliff ho them would die in the process and try and get the first egg basically the first egg from

82:22the turns there and then have to bring it all the way back and the first one back with his egg was then the uh I guess some sort of analogy would be Jesus basically but you know some you know somewh he's the god basically and and so but his manner his energy was then far too powerful for anyone to have any contact with him so his as winning his prize was he would go live in a little Hut by himself for the rest of the year he wasn't allowed to cut his fingernails or hair or anything for a year and then then it can come back but his group his tribe would then be the leaders of the island okay so basically all the different groups would every year they would change over who's in control and that would keep everyone happy so there wasn't one particular group that was in charge of everything it it varied based on who won the Birdman competition that year how they came up with that I have

83:15no idea it's so bizarre there's so many weird styles of culture like the way people decide to run their stuff yeah so strange like how the hell does that ever come about where everyone agrees All Right the dude who gets the egg you're Jesus and you got to live by yourself so it's like I don't want to live by myself and he probably doesn't want to live by himself either so it's like this Bittersweet victory yeah I'm Jesus but now I can't even cut my fingernails I got to live in a Hut by myself like what but I'm full of so much Mana I yeah well there's so many really Uber bizarre cultural Traditions all around the world I'm sure you're aware of the Seaman Warriors in New Guinea Seaman Warriors now I've traveled extensively through po New Guinea you'll have to enlighten me it's really awful it's essentially a culture of child molestation where they take children

84:09from the time they're very young and um they move them away from their mother and they move into these Bachelor groups and they have these older men and these younger boys and they essentially tell these younger boys the only way for them to grow up and be strong and we're talking about a culture that has thousands and thousands of members the only way for them to grow up and be strong is to ingest semen so they have to ingest it orally and anally and it is a an ancient tradition of these semen Warriors in New Guinea and they have they've grown up being molested and then molesting new children as they come up and it's it's homosexual molestation that's very messed up yeah I mean it's this is documented this is not like I'm making there's some crazy stuff in Papa new guine I mean I spent a lot of time in ASAT region which actually is in Papa new guine it's Indonesia but let's not

85:01go there you see anything about that Jamie yeah yeah I found something on Wikipedia called the Toro tribe it's really dark man uh they think it extends their life homosexual sex prolongs life and heterosexual relations are focused towards reproduction yeah and it also it makes the young men strong they think the only way for them to grow and become strong is by injus seen we're talking only 20 years ago in the in the Asmat region they were Head Hunters there were cannibals I mean and to say oh there's no cannibalism anymore is kind of a bit of a lie as well there's still cannibalism in puer New Guinea they're still eating each other just as not out front row Center but they keep it offline yeah basically they keep it off at Twitter on YouTube um but yeah there's some crazy stuff going on there especially in the Asmat region um I spent quite a bit of time there and what

85:54I find interesting is you got this culture as old as the aboriginals in Australia you know we're talking 60,000 years old more very old culture living in perfect harmony with nature in the mangroves there and they're not even they're not even Stone people they're just wood people you know they don't even have anything and then now you have it's it's an Indonesian Province um and you have a lot of moss being built and a lot of stuff that's kind of creeping in western civilization creeping in and the most disgusting thing I saw is that they they've always has gone down to the market and they' bought some food and it's in a wrapped in a Banana Leaf they eat the food and they throw the Banana Leaf off the boardwalk into the water now the mertile Empire is now in there you know there's lots of um other people uh Chinese Javanese coming in and being merchants and they sell everything in

86:40plastic single use packets and so the same thing there's no garbage bins there's nothing around they open it they eat the food they throw the plastic over there is a meter and a half to 2 m of just piles of plastic everywhere absolutely everywhere cuz don't have any ability they've got no education on it they've got no garbage collection and it's it's Bloody Disgusting like um I it it's crazy that you go to beach say in Australia and you'll see one or two bits of plastic you're like oh this is terrible and you pick it up you go there and you're like I I need like 50 dump trucks to even get a start on this the plastic problem in the ocean is huge and it's not until you kind of get go through Indonesia um even the mald SE shells um so much plastic everywhere and it's like meter high in places I heard the maldis is one of the um primary groups of uh islands that are at risk of

87:33uh global warming of being eradicated the highest point on the capital in the males is 2 m High whoa yeah when the tsunami in 2004 came it it went over the entire Island I think it was only a little tiny patch that didn't have seaw to go over it it's crazy I've got a picture on the Instagram it's one of the first pictures I ever put up there of the capital and you'll see it's something like 250,000 people in a tiny little island and it's shocking like they they're serious just pumped straight out there's another Island next to it that's the garbage island where they just take all the garbage and burn it so it's just a constant massive fire on the nearest Island where they just burn garbage um it's an environmental catastrophe um that won't be what that's the males yeah oh my God but this is Indonesia puppini like everywh oh my God that picture is so disturbing that first picture Jamie

88:30go back to that first one that you posted oh my God yeah that is God damned insane we' go there on these tours and we would actually spend the first hour before the the guest come over just cleaning up plastic and then the first guest to come over would generally help us clean plastic as well we would take back 10 20 bags of of garbage just so you could walk along a little bit of the beach and not have plastic everywhere oh my God that's horri able wow when you when you see the sheer numbers Jamie what was your uh Google search so people could check out these images they're listening to thises plastic island oh that's so horrific it's the entire island is just covered with and plastic yep wow people are so gross and they're just burning it that's the only way they can do anything about it they just burn it um and that's only 250,000 people right well that's the capital um look at that

89:28oh my God Jamie myag I think it's one of the first images I have look at that photo of the capital um yeah I was cruising past and I I took a picture with a um with a drone at Sunset and it's great picture I quite like it um but you just see the amount of people packed into this tiny little space and they've just got yeah they've got no means to recycle do anything about it it's and it's probably got a couple of decades and then it it'll be all those people have to go somewhere else you know I always feel like that when I fly over Honolulu like kolulu is like so strange because the Hawaii you know aahu I guess it is has a million people on it and it's not that big man it's not that big at all is that it right there you flew over and took that top photo um I think Jamie's trying to still trying to find it I think I've actually go to not scroll or something for some reason his

90:23Instagram page is and letting me see past this last like 10 pictures I have to do um there you go it's up on the screen now on mine you want to bring that up there you go oh wow oh my God that's insane it's insane isn't it like why how do people think this is sustainable like let's just build a massive City on a tiny little island with no food with no food everything's imported they had a Water Crisis I think it was last year they had to import all the all the water this is on your Instagram that people could see this yeah there's a there's a shot on the Instagram it's one of the first pictures I put up that's uh that's chaotic it seems like one of the worst engineered civilizations ever it's so there's no what we're looking at folks for the people that are just listening to this which is most of the people we're looking at like a small island not very

91:06big because you can see the entire thing and it's filled with buildings there's no nothing but buildings it doesn't look like there's any parks in there I mean there a field or something patches of green like very small but most of it is just stacked buildings yeah I mean it brings whenever I look at this I just think of Suburbia same thing like we all live in these little patches of land that if we wanted to grow our own food we couldn't support ourselves we couldn't support anything well this is an argument for the that used to run Australia right the guy had it right yeah don't let everybody come and ruin your beautiful party you guys have a beautiful party you have a continental United States with as many people as Los Angeles yep but you have some spots where you can't really live right that's what I mean the whole interior is is death poison look it's liveable people

91:58have massive ranches out there well China owns massive ranches out there China does that's a good one to bring up Jamie work out there's a map of Australia and Chinese ownership it's crazy it's crazy we we've sold we've sold huge farms these massive massive farms in central Australia to China over the last five years or so what are the farms grow on uh cattle uh whatever mainly mainly it's kind of a LIF and are these Chinese folks taking these cattle and and importing the beef in China or like yeah most of it will will go straight to China basically wow so they just decided to buy some land and grow some cows in a new spot well we were already growing cows there but yeah they just bought them and then export them to China but the just the sheer area is what's crazy um okay I'm looking for pictures of the thing but this is a it blocked the size of an Ohio sized Ranch Wan

92:54they blocked the sale of a massive private cattle rench to foreign buyer saying it was contrary to the National interest well I mean look on one hand you'd say like hey that's that's xenophobic and it's awful and why would you do that but if you want to keep it the way it is there's really no other way right I just think you know the at the moment we as Australian people we don't get any real benefit from that we don't the profits go overseas all the produ produce goes overseas we're not really seeing any benefit for it and that's you know if we if we didn't sell it if we leased it completely agree yeah at least that stuff whatever you know but we should the Australian people should retain ownership of that because I mean if ever do find the map it's of course they've colored it in red to make it scary but it's a lot of Australia a billionaire buys 47 million dollar worth of

93:48Australian cattle ranches to feed China's hunger for beef yeah wow China's nuts what a crazy place it's uh it's interesting definitely interesting place well it's it's it's I mean again the different styles of culture that we find the different styles of the way human beings exist and Coexist on this planet it's one of the weirder aspects of traveling that you you see what's normal to these people oh it's different every country you go everywhere it's crazy um and they accept it it's like this is our normal what I like about China is that when it makes a decision on something it's looking 40 years in in the future because it's by committee you know when we in Australia or the States you know we make a decision it's it's based on the election cycle it's based in what what can we get in four years time and that's where I think China will actually LeapFrog a lot of Western

94:44Society cuz what they're doing now is thinking about in 40 years time so they're building big infrastructure before it's even required where we in the Western World seem just have crumbling infrastructure yeah yeah we seem to be looking like four years we look like election Cycles your election is crazy like in your election goes on for like 2 years in Australia they go we're going to have an election in 30 days time they go back and forth for 30 days we have an election 30 days that's it problem solved we had to stare at the people for a while chip away at their armor try to find out what the campaigning for like two years I mean that's just yeah yeah it's messed up is messed up well it's also nobody really that you would want to be president wants to be president you know ideally you would want why is that though why well because they dig into your personal

95:34life too much man they they start with your family they start with your finances and with they start interviewing people you went to high school with and trying to chip away at any one possible moral issue you may or may not have had that they can blow up and stick in your face and you're down to these like you get like egomaniacs like Trump or massively religious people like Ted Cruz or or Ben Carson it's just is and I don't understand Marco Rubio he's he's he's an odd one and then you get Hillary Clinton who is essentially a lifelong politician who has been so deeply embedded into the system that she has a massively low trust rate like the trust the it's like 37% of people trust her this crazy I mean that's crazy 63% are like no way hey the vast majority you know the obvious majority at least are they're like I don't trust her at all and then they you know they have to so

96:32will we see Joe Rogan for president no way I wouldn't want that job it's not it's a terrible job like it's a thing first of all what I honestly believe is that the idea is massively archaic and I think the idea of having this one alpha primate that runs the the tribe was fine if there's 100 people but the idea of 300 million people being run by this one figurehead is nuts it doesn't work anymore it's stupid what we should have is the President should be like the Queen of England some goofball gets out in a bulletproof Pope mobile and drives around and waves and no one gives a but she doesn't really dictate policy and I think the the real President should be the internet I really believe firmly that with education and with access to information that we're all enjoying right now that maybe not now because we're in this sort of tumultuous turmoil filled adolescent period but I

97:27think that as we get more and more deeply embedded in the idea of exchanging information I think we're going to be able to read each other's minds we're going to be able to tap into instantaneous information directly to our mind and we're going to realize that the only way this is all going to work out is if we don't allow anyone to abuse the environment for the sake of profit that we don't allow anyone to take life for the sake of profit that we don't allow anyone to lie to us about their motives for invading countries or for uh for dictating certain policy and and especially uh for influencing other countries in the for in for the reason of profit we we've got to we've got to stop that we got to figure out a way to stop that and the only way to stop that is full disclosure amongst our leaders transparency massive transparency and I think that's going to happen in a

98:23natural way because I think it's going to be unavoidable I think in the future like what you're seeing now I think one of the reasons why you're seeing this poor group of people running for president is because the really rich and influential people that maybe would have run for president 20 or 30 years ago are like that job because it's just too invasive and not only that once you become president you have to have secret service live with you for the rest of your life I mean you're constantly on guard everywhere you go people hate you I mean it's it's a crazy nutty it's a Nutty job it's almost like uh you want it just because it's like this thing to achieve and then but you if you look at it on paper like what what is it's not like you're independently wealthy once you get in you really make you make very good money for the average person you make like I think it's like $450 or

99:11$500,000 a year you know you certainly a good living but that's that's not like it's not worth it it's not worth it they but they make money in the speeches that's what really that's also the really weird thing you find out like how much Bill Clinton makes giving speeches now it's almost like they bribe you like for for what your policies were in office it's sort of like sort of Unwritten rule like do the right thing when you're in and then when you're out we'll have you come by talk CEO of this company and do this that yeah have you seen the Democratic debates between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton where he asks her for the transcripts oh good for you you're probably living better no need to what is this the $153 million in Bill and Hillary Clinton speaking fees Mrs Clinton was paid dearly by Wall Street suggesting a conflict of interest despite a recent distancing no matter

100:07how much Mrs Clinton hopes to lure Bernie Sanders uh voters it must be hard at $220,000 $25,000 a pop that's how much she gets paid for a speech and he was like this must have been an amazing speech I'd like to see the transcripts of the speech she ain't budging she's not releasing those I've I got in a bit of trouble for saying this about a year ago but um I honestly think uh the whole Trump candidacy is a conspiracy theory to make Hillary win CU you have someone so crazy on that side that people go all right okay yeah we've had our fun but time to get serious and they go for Hillary because it's the better option of the two man I don't know where I don't fully agree with that to the truth I don't think Hillary's but you know I wonder but I've got a I've got a story for you Joe okay on that trip to Easter isand so we went from Tahiti to Easter isand okay over

101:01about two weeks or so and we had um had a gentleman on board who was kind of my political hero uh his name was Bob Brown Australian uh Senator leader of the green party and and so when I was growing up you would have your Talking Heads some topic coming on and you'd have basically the Republican and the Democrat we call them liberals and labor whatever and it would be stupid comment stupid comment and then you'd have this third one the green Sky he would come on and then just say something that actually made sense and so the whole time growing up he was a bit of a political hero of mine nothing worship or anything like that but I went you know out of all the politicians this guy's at least got his head screwed on and and is environmentally and Progressive and stuff like that environmentally conscious so he was on board as one of our guest lecturers kind

101:46of thing and he did lots of talks um fascinating fascinating guy and I remember I did my climate change talk and and so he came up to me afterwards and I hadn't had a long conversation with him yet so I went to you know start going oh big fan yada and he turned around and went you Adam you you need to be in politics you need to be a senator for the greens in Australia and he pushed it big time B you've got to do this you've got to do this um we need you know younger people like you to do this and I must admit I thought about it cuz I want to not change the world but I want to do something to make this Earth slightly better than what I arrived um and that's a way to do it for sure the thing that keeps me back from doing it is I would have to put up with politicians all day right who would want to put up with politicians all day that's what a miserable bunch of people

102:33and I don't know about I haven't watched much C-SPAN of Congress and stuff over here but our Parliament they just sit there bitching at each other continuously that's all they do it's like the English Parliament you ever seen MH where they just abusing each other basically yelling calling each other names all the time when they have a vote and they don't they know the vote's not going to go their way and you have to have like % of the people there to make the vote count they all Run for the doors and try and get out before they lock the doors so that there's not enough people there to make actually make it pass they just act like little school children they run they run our prime minister is a few off sprinting cuz they go the doors are going to be locked in two minutes and he's sprinting out of his seat to get out that door because if he gets out that door then he

103:12doesn't vote and there's not enough votes and then it doesn't go through it's just like we're paying these people to represent us and they're just acting like little children what a goofy law why would you want why would you want us surround yourself imagine waking up every day and surrounding yourself with that um I think we'd be way better off if individual human beings uh across the board like uh the the giant mass of us if we all everyone adult had a say instead of an elected government a representative government if we all had a say and we'd have toy 2.0 a real exactly that's a great way of pointing it yeah a but I think the representative government was a great idea back in the day when it was impossible to communicate with we don't need it anymore we don't need it anymore we don't need anymore democracy 2.0 there was a German party they they tried to do

104:00it um and you know they were quite successful but didn't get elected into power so couldn't do it but their idea was democracy 2.0 we just make a website and you've got whatever issue we're voting on everyone can vote yeah and and where I think they went wrong because this is something I've thought about quite considerably is um where they went wrong is they're trying to change the whole system so they're going we're going to come in we're going to change the whole system and people freak out they don't of course so I thought hang on is there a way to achieve the same goal but through the nonprofit angle you know instead of trying to change the whole thing and so it's something I uh started on I started working on and it's been put to the sidelines cuz I travel the world I'm busy you know but Earth vote. Network where you had a place where you could go

104:41and vote like a petition but it's that one question that you answer stays on forever and so then because in Australia all the time you pick up a Murdoch newspaper and it'll say 94% of Australians think this and then you read down the bottom out of a survey of a 500 people ringing landlines in one Suburban Sydney I'm like that's not a representation or what's going on imagine if I could turn around and go here's half a million people and here's the percentage of what they think then you're getting a more accurate representation of what's going on um I think there's room for a website like that and obviously I've kind of given up on doing it myself hence why I'm mentioning it right now hopefully someone else takes it up but there's huge potential in taking clicktivism which we currently on Facebook and everything everyone's happy to click on a link and spread the good word about

105:27some environmental concern but actually do something they're not so willing to do if you collate all that clicktivism into one spot and then you have data coming out of it it actually becomes useful it actually can be used where you can go to a politician and say hey 80% of your electorate think this so you'll represent them go do it you know and you got some way and then the other aspect to it is to then actually do a kind of vote not voting um uh keep a system of the politicians so say 80% of Australia thinks this thinks a and then the politician the votes for a bill that's against that then you give them a minus one point they vote for it you give them a plus one point you know and So eventually you would work out basically which politicians are accurately representing their constituents and which ones are not and that's what we don't have how do you know that this guy

106:18that you're voting for has been you know representing the constituents you don't really know you got to go back and look through 10 years of newspaper articles and try and deduce it imagine if you could formulate that into a website you'd it'd be a pretty powerful thing it' be a very powerful thing I think that's the future I think the future you know as we're saying as we get more access to you know the the way people are influenced we understand where the money is actually coming from which is way more today than has ever been in the past you know 30 40 years ago it was really difficult to find out what was motivating certain presidents or people that were candidates you only got to see what they were projecting in front of the television what they were that's why debates were important you get to see that the way they spoke in debates try to decipher and and peel through it but

107:03no we never had the kind of transparency that we have today and this is you want to know what's really going on with a politician get him on the Joe Rogan podcast a politician for 3 hours they can't for that long that would be at some point you would get under them and you would find out what's actually I would have to do a lot of research though that have to I couldn't just have them on like you and just go let's talk man I would have to go deep but yeah if you could get someone to talk for long periods of time uncensored like that without commercial breaks without moderators then you're going to get to see them these debates that they have are so ridiculous one person says something ridiculous to see Bernie Sanders raising his hand when he disagrees waiting to have his turn and then she's talking over and then he talks over and then you're running out

107:44of time but let me finish my point and he goes it's like the the the method of Distributing information is archaic it's not necessary anymore you know they should they should have some sort of a free form free form conversation that's available online where people can watch it and you know you have someone who is entertaining that understands politics run them through it and just give some sort of a a real detailed view to the American people of who these people are and what what they're about but I think they're there're the people that are today even Bernie Sanders who's you know really revolutionary and a lot of ways and very Progressive in a lot of ways there's he's still a politician you know he's still wearing a tie and a suit and all that nonsense and he's still a part of this weird system and he always has been even though he's a rebel in a lot

108:34of ways but I think that they're going to be like those people that are wearing powdered wigs and those ancient pictures it's like it's so old it's so crazy like this method of doing it like you have to do it this way I always is in austr to wear those wigs do they really yeah yeah it's crazy what yeah when you do uh it's magistrate so if you go to court you have to wear a wig the the lawyer in certain um certain courts so say if you got in trouble for something like you no the defendant doesn't have to no no not you but I'm saying you're lawyer like what the am I looking at Jamie that's a a barer I think that's yeah okay so boy you guys got to get on the ball you guys are crazy so sorry to interject but I just so if you get in trouble if you did something if you got accused of something and you hired a lawyer your lawyer would have to wear a wacky wig like that

109:28yes wow in as said in certain courts what courts oh now you're stretching my memory on it um a lot of them I think it's it's not a magistrate a barrister um yeah something like that good Lord definitely New South Wales and some of them yeah actually I went to court for the first time uh last year first time for what uh I got uh charged with being a terrorist you did yeah for something environmental I would imagine no what' you do I uh I went through airport security with a pocket knife by accident oh my God yeah we in Australia we're a bit of a nanny State at the moment uh We've brought in a lot of laws that just are ridiculous and so it used to be you go through airport security with your Swiss army knife they take it off you and they go right and Away you go you know that's it they changed the law two weeks before I went through and it was just it was just a random mistake

110:26I had a pocket knife in with my camera gear I had to rearrange my bags cuz I was overweight um and I put it in my carryon by mistake I didn't realize a pocket knife there it's a simple mistake we do it all the time um people do it all the time and uh yeah so they got it and I was like ah crap cuz it's a good knife I was like ah oh well yep whatever I'm late for my flight and then I went to walk away and they went oh hang on hang on hang on the Australian federal police need to speak to you I'm like oh my God you mean so the police came over and they were they were trying to give me off on a caution they were ringing their Superior and trying to get me a caution cuz they could see clar's day that it's just stupid mistake and their supervisor said no no that's the laws changed they have to go to court now and so I was charged with possession of a deadly weapon basically with intent to

111:09hijack an aircraft um oh my God and it oh cost me thousands of dollars I cuz it wasn't the airport I got um done at was uh about 2,000 km away from where I lived so I had to travel back there and then I had to get a lawyer which was just hilarious I pay pay a guy a $1,000 he didn't even show up he sent someone else gave me a call half an hour beforehand um yeah everything was just like God and so I was I knew more about the law than he did but anyway and but than the substitute lawyer yeah oh God I knew more about the actual legislation I was getting charged on basically I got the legislation has no diff difference between a bazooka and a and a pocket knif they're the same thing AK-47 and that it's the same thing in in the mind you kill somebody with it if so it's the same thing it's the same thing if I tried to get through airport security with a bazooka I'd be under the same

111:58legislation and under the same thing and so I got off lightly instead of get years in jail um because obviously first offense no no prior record all that sort of stuff I got um there's a fancy word for it I want to say indentured servitude but that's not it it's like a good behavior Bond so I got for for the next year as long as you don't break any more laws then that conviction will disappear basically wow but yeah I went to court charge with with being a terrorist for a bloody pocket knife and that's when I must admit after that I was starting to think I don't really want to live in Australia anymore because it's just gotten a bit too crazy do you think that's the same sort of uh momentum that's behind like getting rid of the immigrants and shipping them off to new places and putting people in jail for reporting on it we have stuff like your Patriot Act where they bring in a a

112:43law that does all this sort of stuff and they don't debate it it just goes instantly through and no one even reads the law of what's going through and we had this whole it was so staged it was so easily you could see it was staged where they had we've arrested 20 terrorists in Sydney now they actually had to let them all go um because they didn't have anything on any of them but they filmed it and it was on national news of them raiding all these places and then immediately brought in a week later new laws um that no one debated no one even read and brought them in and one of those laws were yeah you take a pocket knife through airport security you have to go to court to defend yourself that's such a stupid law I mean the United States laws which are pretty strict they're nothing like that I I went through security accidentally with a pocket knife they just took it that's

113:25right everyone does this but I I just spend you know $3,000 $4,000 in my own money and and try and work this out that way and now to this day whenever I travel um my bags if I have a short um short Transit um my bags won't make it cuz they get searched at every single airport I on the list God I I just spent 3 weeks in Antarctica with no luggage um it never never arrived oh Christ because it it went through extra security and and then didn't arrived for a couple of days and I was already down in Antarctica just because of a pocketknife just because of a pocket knife yeah in America I I went through it in Denver uh I I had a backpack and the backpack in one of the small Pockets had a very small knife in it and uh they sent me through secondary screening goes I think you got a pocket knife in your backpack go ah sorry yeah the guy took it and that was it yeah take it easy okay bye

114:18done that's what it's always been like but no they changed the little that's so C crazy that doesn't make any sense at all it's just it's a waste of my money it's a waste of the Court's money it's a waste but you think they're doing it to try to make more money by making more court cases well I had to pay the court costs yeah yeah I mean obviously but I I just think it's law upon laws and and in Australia we are shocking at laws upon laws and laws um no one speeds in Australia I I drove down from San Francisco yesterday and it was ludicrous how fast people were driving like above the speed limit because the speed that they were driving like 40K is over the speed limit or something that in Australia is you lose your license instantly you don't have a license for the next year so really yeah so no one speeds like that for a year yep oh God so yeah but that's cuz we just have so

115:06many laws we just have so many different laws in that respect that's that's disturbing but that's not what I wanted to talk to you about man buming me out about Australia I was I was thinking about moving Australia I'm like maybe that's the spot I've heard that a lot from Americans since Trump Trump's doing his thing no it's not because of that I just think I just like it I mean I don't wouldn't really move there but like if the hit the fan someone blew up Manhattan or something like that i' like o time to jolt or bolt whatever whatever it is that's an interesting one I where I was for 911 where were you I was in up in the very Northern reaches of Australia in the middle of nowhere um so far away that you couldn't get any signal for anything but uh one of the people on board had um a short radio like a ham radio and so I learned of 9/11 via radio and it was like War of

115:57the Worlds man it sounded like the whole world was was going to shine and uh but we were on a boat in the middle of nowhere and we did kind of just all look at each other and go well we got two or three months worth supply of food here we can stretch that out with fishing and we're in the middle of nowhere we can go sit up that Creek over there and yeah we were kind of pretty bug out it wasn't until about 2 months later they actually got back and saw the images of what happened but it sounded like War of the Worlds when I when you listen to that sort of event over a radio wow it was scary that's a weird way to get information too so so like retro you know to get information about some sort of a gigantic catastrophe or Calamity horrendous event like 911 to get it off a radio like just it sounded like World War III that's what it sounded like from the radio at least

116:50yeah it's like well it looked like World War III on TV that day too though in all fairness I remember watching it on TV and um went with a bunch of my friends because there was no flights I had some gigs planned I couldn't go I was actually supposed to be in Manhattan that week lucky yeah um I was supposed to fly to Manhattan the week uh after uh September 11th and all fights were canceled and I remember uh hanging out with some friends in La everybody was bugging out like what is gonna happen and then we were aware because of the news that there was no flights and it was just beautiful clear skies it was strange strange how you look up like there's no no airplanes yeah just nothing you don't hear them you look up you don't see any and I think it was some of the clearest Skies ever recorded over the USA over that yeah well not only that the temperature lowered

117:39changed the temperature of the Earth or maybe raised I forget one of them water vapor it would have lowered yeah it would have got a little bit cooler is that what it is yeah one of those things happened either it raised or it lowered depending upon the the there was also the water vapor could uh protect the atmosphere in a lot CU it's like cloud cover you know when you get contrails I don't know which one it was but it was like a noticeable amount that had changed the amount of CO2 and airplanes pumping out is nothing too serious it's practically actually is one of the most efficient forms of Transport you can have per person but where it's injecting that CO2 and that water vapor up in that you know in the high atmosphere yeah it's it's doing some damage it is not as much as I think we give it credit for well well the other thing is people that live near airports suffer some Ser what

118:26is that Jamie what you just put up it got hotter actually yeah did get hotter yeah two degrees hotter for a couple yeah that's what I was thinking because I think is the lack of um because because those contrails that are created the artificial clouds that are created by jet engines naturally stirring up the uh humidity atmosphere maybe they're reflecting back uh solar radiation well that's where all the chemtrail craziness comes from the geoengineer ing people they believe that that is actually uh done on purpose and then what we're doing is we're we're making artificial clouds try to control the environment well it's not it's not true I mean it's we know why those things are made they're made it's a natural formation that happens when you have a jet engine passes through condensation it creates Contra not Kim TRS I always try and point that one out to people it's a

119:14there's a guy named Mick West who runs this uh website called metabunk and just sort of debunks a lot of like really commonly held ideas that conspiracy theorists tend to to grab on to but he calls it the training wheels of conspiracy theories CU it's like in the sky above your head like what is that you're like we got to get to the bottom of this you know and that's sort of where instead of like researching what actually happens with jet engines and condensation and you know people say well how come one day there'll be no contrails and another day there'll be a lot well how come one day it rains yeah another day it doesn't rain well it's condensation it's the amount of moisture in the atmosphere just what whatever this a different subject um I wanted to talk to you about some other that you had on your um you had uh neurological decompression illness oh

120:01God from see you you're trying to go happy here but this is actually getting sad well this is scary yeah it's it's up story I was hoping you're going to do another one first that's right we can do that we don't have to talk about I want to tell you it's just it's a depressing depressing um happened so um scuba diving I've been scuba diving since I was like 12 years old uh 13,000 Dives um I spend a lot of time underwater wa and uh so one might say it's inevitable I don't know but uh so I was diving nothing too serious you know shallow dive it was a bit of a current I was assing into a bit of a current maybe slightly dehydrated who knows um but yeah I got messed up now I've been diving for nine days prior to that four Dives a day so I'd had some residual nitrogen I've got bubbles in my blood basically and then doing this one I guess a little bit of exertion

120:50underwater and stuff like that um yeah I got messed up so when I came out of the water you have bad headache and stuff like that and then um eventually I was looking down at my hands and my hands had gone into fists and I couldn't open my hands anymore and that to me was the the big thing straight away I was like who I I've never had that before where I didn't have control of my body you know and so my hands were all class so I I ran upstairs to my bunk told the first mate you know get the oxygen and stuff like that I've got something's going wrong here and then when I laid down in my bunk I just severe pain going over the whole entire body arms and hands both totally paralyzed couldn't move them um enormous enormous amount of pain um box jellyfish pain or uh no child birth pain no no nothing near that I think more just scary pain cuz you just don't know what's going on you know you

121:45just don't know your whole body is just suddenly doing stuff that it's never done before um and so I went on oxygen and then end up passing out actually after a few maybe half an hour or so ended up passing out and then uh woke up and I was just really Dopey and doughy and stuff and long story short um for various reasons I didn't actually get treatment for about 6 days uh I was very remote area and there's there's all all this stuff there and uh and then I spent 9 days in a in a chamber decompression chamber basically wow um to try and to try and repair what had gone wrong because I had uh nerve damage in the hands and feet um spine and brain so I had quite a some significant brain damage um the spine damage to the spine causes a lot of fatigue and things like that and then the hands and feets just pain basically um yeah and that happened in 2012 I got messed up I got messed up so

122:45brain damage like what kind of brain damage uh literally brain damage so what's going on in my body is lots of little tiny bubbles basically are all in my nerves bloodstream everywhere and they cause inflammation and they they kill stuff I had a lot of muscle atrophy you know I had a lot of muscles just die on me cuz they their blood supply had been blocked by these little bubbles going around and do you see like a difference in your body does it like turn black and blue or does it just shrink like what you you lose your all your muscle mass B just shrivels yeah you lose your muscle mass does it change the appearance of the skin like does it you see like yellowing where it's rotting underneath it or anything nothing like that um I had to learn how to walk again I could barely walk um and I had to learn vocabulary was a hard one I used have a really good vocabulary and

123:30I not so much anymore I I killed a lot of brain cells man I killed a lot of brain cells wow so you feel stupider I could I can actually get some not not I had an IQ I tested my IQ beforehand and I was about at the 150 160 Mark and now I'm yeah and now I'm about 120 still a genius I wouldn't go that far but I dropped I dropped some MyQ points that's for sure wow well you used to be a genius for sure um I had like a photographic memory i50 160 is definitely genius I I thought too much basically maybe it's better for you to be a little stupider well I enjoy bad movies now there you go like Adam Sandler movies or like what with spoon movies any movie that's predictable where before I'd be like I know what's going to happen blonde do you watch that over and over again you name any of these movies and that's it I appreciate bad movies there's always a there's

124:21always a positive side to everything you know so do you really so it actually made you significantly less intelligent and you can consume pop culture now yeah basically do you enjoy reality shows now that no Beverly Hills housewives my TV at home asn't isn't actually connected to an a little oh you're one of those guys yeah I I don't like advertising I think advertising is evil so you use like Netflix or something like that yeah well that's smart that's the future anyway right you're head of the ball anything good is on iTunes already you know most of the good shows you know Walking Dead Or Game of Thrones or anything like that you can always find them well I want to choose my own schedule as well I don't want to be oh Wednesday night I have to stay in CU I want to watch that one show like my kids um don't know what commercials are really they don't understand it like and

125:07most of the time we watch shows with them we watch it on a DVR and you can fast forward through commercials but occasionally we'll watch like one of their favorite shows and it'll come on and they'll watch it while it's on and then the show will be on and then it'll go to commercial and they reach for the remote and it's like it's not letting them fast forward and like what is going on here like why do we have to watch this I'm like well that's a commercial that's a that's how it normally is yeah welcome to what we had to deal with for but the look on their little faces when you see look on like a five or six-year-old's face they like what the you I have I have to watch this stupid thing and they're watching these commercials like like puzzled like who like even a child realizes this is a dumb way to adver advertise things yeah it's it's actually it I think it makes

125:55you not want to purchase those things they've interrupted your program for ah but that's cuz you're intelligent I would say it does work for a vast majority of people who don't you know it's just subliminal they're not even thinking about it but it just goes in hey I want to Coke don't you think it works less and less though possibly as we get uh you know dis disassociated with it with Netflix and stuff like that as we move away from it but I think I think advertis evil ever seen the South Park the latest South Parks they go on to it quite well um but advertising yeah I I see why it's there but yeah I it really bugs me and it bugs me probably also because in Australia we have such terrible ads terrible we had Chris Bell and Mark Bell um from the uh documentary bigger stronger faster and the new one prescription thugs where they go over the uh effect of the prescription drug

126:47industry and like what massive influence it has on people and the amount of people that are hooked on pain pills and whatnot Those ads have banned in Australia by the way they should be and they were talking in the documentary about during the Reagan Administration when they became legal and they started advertising for all these drugs and how how much different the landscape changed when all of a sudden there was an ad that showed you all these things that maybe you have an issue and maybe you should uh talk to your doctor about this stuff and then you know the sales go through the roof they get addicted to that money that comes from those sales it's a really disturbing aspect of our society that you can advertise for drugs like prescription pharmaceutical how many different drugs an American an average American is on at any one point when I was in the dive industry as a

127:33dive supervisor I would get lists of everyone on board and their medical conditions and what drugs they were currently taking and Australian it's just like oh yeah yep nothing boom nothing boom American that' have five or six things listed there and then I would have to actually go to the research on each drug and see if they conflicted with diving and stuff like that it was a lot of work and you're kind of like oh this is an upper and this is a downer and this is a kind of leveler and this is a what the well people have anti-depressants and they have an extra aify that they add to an anti-depressant if that anti-depressant isn't doing a job yeah but it could cause societ Society to uh collapse and your explodes and you bleed out and some side effects May Suicidal Thoughts like it's it's apparently like there's a lot attached to it like the the fine at the

128:21end BL when they scroll through it and make cause blah blah blah it's like this huge list of possibilities that could go horribly wrong but some people they just always think that a pill is the answer and I think that's also part of the programming that's sort of been IND doctr I'm in a really tough spot this point the last few years basically cuz I've always believed don't take a pill for the rest of your like take you got a headache you take a headache pill but you don't take a pill every single day of your life there's no there's no point for that or unless you have something like diabetes or or something right they there's obviously some exceptions there but lo and behold most people can actually with diabetes even change their diet and sort of go that way there are ways to do without taking a pill every day but now I'm under this thing where since that accident with decompression

129:06signal I have pain constantly 24/7 yes constant in pain constantly well you're hiding it very well well what do you do with your life you just cry go over there and cry I'll hide in the corner but what are you going to do like you have what kind of pain is it L you're in right now uh hands and feet basically hands and feet just throbbing or aching more a stabbing pain feels like someone's got a needle and push you have a stabbing pain in your hands and feet you just become accustomed to yeah wow yeah that's all the the nerve damage have you um looked into hypobaric uh hyperbaric chambers or hyper n days straight after it happened hyperbaric chambers yeah so I I did nine days in hyper have you looked into continual therapy with that um it's not something that'll let me um I would have to go pay for it myself basically I'd have to go I'd have to pay thousands of dollars to

129:55go get oxygen therapy for like what footballers do footballers go do it so they heal quicker um if you actually talk to a doctor they would say it probably wouldn't do much cuz you do it after the event and that but now you know we're talking four years later they're like H probably wouldn't do much but there's not a lot of the problem with decompression sickness is there's not a lot of evidence or there's not a lot of research there is a hoap of research but it's classified by the US um Marines of sorry the na US Navy um most of the evidence most of the stuff out there is very there's not a lot of data and so I remember going to these doctors and they're like we don't really know how do you go there's no set plan oh you got decompression sickness where do we go from here to to fix it there isn't they're kind of like oh we'll try this drug we'll try this drug we'll try

130:37this drug we'll try this drug and we just keep trying different drugs and and see what happens basically whoa I've tried a lot of drugs in the last four years what has offered you the most relief um I'll get in a lot of trouble for saying it but uh acupuncture was actually why would they you get in trouble for saying that the anti- acupuncture Lobby well it's not basically I had to find some guy who who kind of did it he was a doctor and then he did acupuncture as we call it bulk billing as part of the government sort of thing so I could get it um so I did that and that reduced My Pain by about half uh straight afterwards yeah huge thing amazing the other drugs I tried oh god um I mean the names won't kind of mix over here sort of thing the first thing they did is they they Chuck you on anti presence um timbala um that sort of stuff um because they're like well he's

131:27just having trouble adjusting to the fact that he's in pain all the time so let's give him an antidepressent so he's happy um which it does take the edge off but it's a I'm kind of half against it but B it just you just had to keept uping the dose you know you started from 10 milligrams and then a month's time it wouldn't do anything anymore you go to 20 and you just keep upping the dose and so you just become accustomed to the dosage yeah it just because it's it's not Tak the pain away it's just taking the edge off you know making you not think about it so much one of the reasons why a friend of mine got off of them he said you just you he realized like you're going to get adapted to whatever dose they give you and then you're going to come up with some well this isn't working anymore because your body's accustomed to it you built up a tolerance so we're going to try a new

132:08SSRI on you yeah I eventually got off the simola um because I was just I was getting to basically the depressive doses I was getting up to 60 Mig or something and so I was like well I don't want to keep going with this and and quite frankly it's not doing much um so I got off that and they put me on one called lria which is an epileptic drug Jesus um I've tried a lot of drugs and yeah that just messed with me messed with my head I I had to quit it because I was going to lose my job cuz I just didn't turn up to work anymore I would sleep through my alarms and wake up four or 5 hours later and just like it just messed with me and I was Captain of a ship at the time so I'm like I can't be driving a ship I can't be in charge of all these people and being messed up on some epileptic drug so I I stopped doing that one um then what did I try after that uh endep which is uh it's a

133:01anti-depressant from the' 60s I believe it's not used at all anymore but this thing there's no evidence there's like oh we have like 10 drugs here that experiment they're just experimenting on you and so I've been on that one for a while but same thing I just kept getting well the first time I took it I actually slept for about 20 hours straight it just messed me up so I've been kind of very low doses of it and once again it just stopped not really doing much for the pain and then I said I just spent three weeks in Antarctica with no bags which means no medication either so I actually just spent 3 weeks without it and I noticed straight away I had more energy during the day it actually caused me to be fatigued for the morning um and I don't have that anymore and the the level of pain tolerance that it was giving me was just insignificant so now I'm just back to popping a a pill when

133:48it gets too much at night you know what kind of pill uh at the moment coding um we call it panine forto which is paracetamol and uh a small dose of Codine just try to get some sleep yeah just a the insomnia you get insomnia from all the pain so that's what I try and do um yeah they the next one they wanted me to try was methadone I'm not go down that one yet um Jesus Christ that's what they do to get people off of heroin yeah that's I I'm just a guinea pig they just keep experimenting with me man that's that seems so crazy well hopefully people listen to this that have some information they'll be a open to ideas I'm open to ideas well I hope they do reach out to you um you had pirates in here as a subject to bring up did you have any experience with pirates um not person is that Tom Han movie no no no I I just used to do a talk on we did uh through you know sort of not past

134:40Somalia but Tanzania Maldives SE shells around that whole area so a lot of people want to talk about piracy so I have a little presentation that I kind of did on piracy uh in there but what I quite like to show people is actually I like bringing new technology you know into the equation so there's a a website called live piracy map and you can actually see a map of uh of the world and all the current pirate attacks around the world it's pretty cool was that something to be concerned with when you're driving around that big hundred million beautiful boat no not at all do you guys have security with you no not at all um oh we up saying that should say yeah arm to the teeth superheroes told you I'd have to kill you um no what Pirates attack uh cargo ship something with a very little crew 10 crew or something like that they they attack something that's a big prize with

135:30very little people protecting it they don't um occasionally they'll go for Yachts uh little tiny Yachts um but cruise ships I think the last sort of cruise ship or big ship that they tried to attack uh as they came up alongside and all the guests on board grabbed all the outdoor furniture all the sun lounges and stuff like and threw it at the people coming up in the little boats and killed some of them um with Furniture yeah the furniture they were the the Pirates were killed by Falling furniture from the roof um so they just don't do it there's how you jump on board a ship like uh that I'm on and you have 100 guests and you have 80 crew there 180 people you're going to try and manage um you're not going to get away with it like there's the pirate map right there yeah so that's the the live piracy map so you can click on each one of those little um little tags and it

136:19will tell you the little story this is all done by the insurance agencies obviously but it's just fascinating to see you know what's going on and what I was trying to always show to people is that people always go Somalia pirates there isn't actually much piracy there anymore very very little most of it's actually The Straits of malaka Singapore around there really most of the piracy is um where the largest shipping channels are basically well the Somalia story we've talked about on the podcast many times unfortunately I don't want to reiterate it but those people were forced into it cuz of um people dumping toxic waste they were fishermen they were dumping toxic waste off their Shores and they kidnapped them to uh try to stop this dumping and then they got a massive Ransom and realized like well hey fishing's just start kidnapping people no no one turns into a a pirate or a

137:08terrorist it's a it's a function of where they've grown up and the experiences they've had that have pushed them to that limit you know you've pushed someone to the edge there's always a reason for it well the battle for resources and the inequality of the you know of the resources and what you can get in the world it just leads people to desperation and that's what you know going back to the alien thing that's what we would hope one day we would get past we get past this I mean we'd understand that like if we just looked at the world I mean if somehow or another we realize that there's some sort of a there's a way to be completely altruistic right there's a way to be completely even and fair and we would look at the globe and say well look there's plenty of resources we have boats and ships and let let's just evenly distribute all this stuff and figure out a way we could all live in

137:53harmony and everybody contribute but it's it's difficult with the way things are right now it's very difficult to move into that place we'd have to have some sort of a massive Transcendence I'd like to go more into the whole climate change thing normally before I bring this up but at the same time I started off very optimistic I started doing climate change talks 2007 I was very very optimistic I was like we can do this we can do this we can do this now fast forward almost 10 years later and I'm Apocalypto domistic um really yeah it's I I think really if we want to change what's going on now uh like any problem if with with when adults come to you with a problem have you tried turning it on and off right I really think we kind of we're getting to the point now where we really got to turn it all off and then start it back up again in a uh carbon neutral kind of

138:42way that's what we're getting to right now because what we're seeing now this is something that eludes most people the effects we're seeing now which is 2° C above uh de celsi above industrial rates um the Arctic at the moment is 12 to 16° C above uh the average pre-industrial time all this sort of stuff going on it's is there's a 40-year lag between what we pump out in pollution and CO2 to what the actual temperature rise is so what we're seeing now is from the mid-70s we haven't even got up to the 80s yet that's bananas yeah you imagine what the next 10 years the ' 80s what what the what we did to the world during the ' 80s when you're in Antarctica do you look for places to move do you say ooh I'm going to build a nice house here 30 years would be the it's it's not too far off no it's actually really quite warm in the Antarctic Peninsula it's it's a bit of a hot spot as well um

139:36it's warm I've got a picture um I got a picture there of me in t-shirts and shorts so you're talking this 30° cious warmer there which is what is that in America in America Fe fahren um Okay so if we talk about the Arctic the Arctic at the moment is in some areas about 12° C above the pre-industrial levels so God I I can never go to Fahrenheit but I would say yeah 24 almost 30 30° it is very annoying that we have different ways of telling the temperature that is so so goofy and kilograms too like uh when we go to well England's the most ridiculous they have stone when we do weigh-ins for the UFC in England 133 Stone like what are you even talking about why are you measure Stone's like what 13 pounds or something crazy like that don't some random ancient King somebody had a rock and they wanted everybody to be measured by that rock just want to put this out there

140:33metric system is a wonderful thing I it's the way to go we should have adopted it should we tried when I was in high school before high school I believe I believe junior high school there were there was an attempt to indoctrinate the American people on soccer and the metric system both failed we like no no we dug our heels in no soccer I can understand but um metric system I just I wonder like when you're in school like trying to learn math and science mhm not using the metric system that must be hard work man remember all that sort of stuff it's kind of silly because you can do you can the me metric system is better it's a better system it's a system of 10 you know when you get into inches and yards and systems of 12 12 in and like like okay how many yards is a what what a meter compared to a yard is how much difference okay 90 m is almost the same

141:30but there there's variables and and then the the the the kilos thing the kilograms and measuring that and Fahrenheit and Celsius it's it's dumb like one system would be great they could have done it they could have stuck with it in the 60s and the 70s we could have been all right right now man well the rest of the world we're we're we're over with metric system come join us not England though they have the stones but they have miles yeah yep yeah yep you sure pretty sure I don't think they use kilometers see if England uses miles I think they use miles I think they use inches feet miles pretty sure if they use inches and feet and they use kilometers they're no wacky I thought it was you guys in USA and Bhutan were the only people in the imper something like that let's see uh they long hm what is it say in the UK miles are used almost exclusively on road signs yeah see that just using

142:26road signs yeah interesting interesting well thinking in their not just road signs I think they also use it on their speedometers like you know 35 miles an hour because you have you have a speedometer I mean they're not going to use it just on their road signs if their car doesn't say what it is I'm sure it's in their automobiles too that's weird having a mix like that I wasn't it is weird wasn't too Weare that well England's not a mix they they use it we have their are their system I mean the reason why we use inches and feet you know feet and all that ja is because of them miles that's that's England well we did too of course in Australia but we we got smart you guys wised up another reason why Australia's awesome as I said we we have our moments we do we were the the second Nation let women vote um we we got a lot of good things behind us that being very Progressive and kind of

143:10ahead of the loop on a few things but who's the first us uh New Zealand New Zealand first people people women vote yeah New Zealand's goddamn beautiful it's a beautiful I have a buddy m is over there right now sent me some pictures I was like God yeah it's it's a pretty place I'll try and get there wherever I can what is your favorite place to visit or is do you have a favorite place you've explored I mean you've literally been I hate that question I hate that question because every every Expedition I do don't give me a favorite tell me about something awesome yeah every Expedition I do has something amazing that we do you know and so every single one there's one place that I really really like um so there's lots and yeah it's hard but if you were to specifi specific Expedition I can tell you my highlights of it so probably one of my favorite places in

143:54the world at the moment is South Georgia which is uh you know the Forkland Islands uh it's just over a little bit further uh into the into the ocean there uh East and so you've got this little tiny Rock in the middle of a big ocean and all the animals have to go somewhere so they all go to this little tiny Rock so you go on this Beach St Andrews Bay and you've got 400,000 King Penguins you know on this one little beach it's just thick with animals and and it had a lot of sealing but now the fur seals are coming back and so you literally get to these beaches and you kind of got to try and make your way through the Penguins and the seals to actually get ashore it's that crazy and one of my favorite things to do there is I just lay down on the beach and all the little tiny baby uh F seal pups you know little tiny things with bobbly heads they all come up and

144:40they p on top of you and they yeah it's just amazing amazing experience to me in amongst so many animals that are just as inquisitive about you as they are um yeah there's some crazy crazy shots there wow that's so beautiful it's a it's a stunning spot I've got um I got some images somewhere as well the the the perspective that you gain from visiting all these amazing places um and then when you come and you talk to people that you know sort of live in one city and never leave do you feel bad for those people everyone's got their own their own path you know everyone's doing their own thing look at you all Zen well true I I don't I mean I guess there's a little bit of pity maybe a little bit of like oh you don't have a passport that's unfortunate um you live in this wildli of Adventure I mean so it's an insane path and I think there's something cool about talking to people

145:35that travel all over the world it's like they have a perspective it's almost like they're like okay like you go to a bunch of different places you see a bunch of different ways that people live and you go oh all right there's not really one way to do this no there's no better way or bad way there's just different ways to do stuff which is that's what you see everywhere um but yeah you know I've got some friends who left high school and they married the local mechanic and don't even have a passport a dude dude's married a mechanic well I'm talking about female friend of mine but whatever same difference but basically never left the town that they grew up in you know and that's it that's what they do maybe that town has mushrooms they trip in a different way there's a lot of Cow Patties around there but I think about that I when I think of uh traveling to different

146:22cultures and experiencing these really in incredibly varied ways of living that people have I always think when you look at all the different varieties of of life like I posted this Instagram video um last night of this jellyfish that I saw in an aquarium saw that yeah and I remember thinking when I was looking at that jellyfish like what if that thing was on another planet we would think it would be the most fascinating discovery that man is in oh don't even get me started I mean this jellyfish that are Immortal yeah immortal like literally they live forever they live forever um look at that thing I think yeah that was a great little video amazing seop pods I think if you're talking about aliens underwater seop pods is where it's at and seop pods are the Nautilus na shell uh octopus squid and cuttlefish and cuttlefish are my favorite favorite creature they're amazing actually Jamie

147:15there's a video on my YouTube channel called Adam verse cuttlefish you you'll dig it um just free diving with a cuttlefish but they're the most amazing amazing creature ever and they're alien in so many respects and a lot of the research on them is only like 5 years older so we're still working stuff out um cuz they're the fastest color and texture chamber in the world they're like a neon s pulsating color atue I think it's about 390 DPI is the resolution they can project on their skin like it's just phenomenal they have three hearts um they don't have hemoglobin they don't have red blood they have green blood it's kind of a copper based blood um a little bit less efficient hence they have three hearts um they have like a jet engine they pump water around their head and push it out a little nozzle at the front um look at that thing so yeah it's like an octopus

148:00with tiny legs yeah all the octopus is in the seod family as well so this one's got a cuttlefish bone so it's neutrally buyant it's kind of just floating off the surface but it looks like whatever's behind it it's very very good at uh camouflage and also communicates via color as well but what we couldn't work out for many years was they you put them in a dark box and they will still mimic so you put in a box with no light whatsoever they will still mimic whatever is behind them even though there's no light there to actually use and then they would also mimic color and what do you mean they will mimic what's behind them you mean they mimic the wall you put a cuttlefish in a box pitch black and you put a a triangle triangle shape behind them they will mimic on the other side a triangle shape in in their skin and we still we're still trying to work out how they do this cuz there's no

148:44light and we knew that they did it with uh color but their eyes don't see color their eyes see black and white heavy contrast so we actually only two years ago they worked out in their skin they see color via their skin not their eyes um I can go on and on and on it's crazy their sexual reproduction is m is really cool they don't they have a lack of orifices they don't have too many orifices to use poor bastards yeah I know so what they do is the male cuttlefish gets an arm and sticks it up his nostril we'll call it a nostril it's an orifice whatever and pulls out a sack of sperm and then goes up to the female and then sticks that arm with the sack of sperm on it up her nostril her left nostril and that's how they reproduce What what yeah it's sack fisting they take a sack of sperm and they fist it up your nose yeah up a and is a nostril it's the same orifice that they use for

149:38smelling um we call it a nostril but it's it's just an orifice it's just a hole but it's the closest one to their sexual watch it here oh God I'm not prepared for this chamie they have so many like the more research you do on them the just amazing they have the intelligence of a six-year-old child um and so they've been actually classed recently as like I forget the word like sentient beans or something like that so they're in the same class as dogs and monkeys and dolphins you can't do tests on them that harm them basically but you can still get them for sushi oh yeah you can kill them you just can't that's a up you can still get grilled octopus gr it's like grilled six-year-old I mean I you probably it's it's a strange thing that we do when we decide like what we will eat you know what will we eat and it varies hugely in culture oh yeah well that we don't need

151:28dog here but there plent places to e dog yeah I mean I I made a mistake of watching a piece I think it was a vice piece on that Ulin Dog Festival and I was like Whoa man good Lord but again it's entirely cultural because if you were an Indian person who's a Hindu and you see what we do to cows that would be equally if not more disturbing cuz their cows are holy what I love of I haven't done much India but I've done Nepal is that no we don't eat this cow this cow's sacred but this Buffalo it's tasty you're just like what yeah they should get together with the bird egg people and try to figure this out it's just when you see like certain Traditions that exist in in these cultures and try to decipher like how how they got started there's always a reason for it you you go back you can always discern a reason of why this started this was you know don't eat pork

152:21here well you get Sal vanill and it kills you you know of course always a reason for that's for kosher food and things on those I mean Aboriginal people have this hugely complex system of who you're allowed to talk to who you're allowed to marry this thing it's called skins and takes a long time to kind of get your head around but when you look at the science behind it it's the most efficient way ever conceived by Humanity to uh ancient cultures to prevent inbreeding oh so you're not allowed to talk to your sister can't talk to her can't talk to her because you might have sex with her so what I won't have sex with my sister dude trust me that's gross but I mean and really they can't talk to their sister yeah and generally their mother as well well that makes him you want to your sister more he like damn must be good trying to keep me away from her yeah you're a little twisted Joe I'm

153:11not saying me man I'm just you know hypothetically this person that lived a long long time ago when they came up weird rules um is it possible for a restroom yeah yeah go I'll just be two seconds and then when I come back maybe some climate change or sure yeah Absol sexual reproduction what I like your watch man that is a cool watch what is that um it's it's actually quite cheap that's cool looking it doesn't have to be expensive go pee you like you like to have a no I'm good don't worry about it all right I'll be back all right again I win the bladder War I like to find someone who could sit here and drink coffee and whiskey as long as we can I don't know what the wrong with do you think my bladder has changed it must have changed this is not something I was born with I think it's just from doing three-hour podcast like like right now if I had to pee it would be a struggle I've been

154:01sitting here drinking coffee I had a glass of whiskey with him a Jack and Coke Diet Coke of course because of my diet like a truck driver yeah developed it I wonder I'd like to have a competition with truck drivers see who could hold their piss longer they could pull over though truck driver could pull over like two hours in just pull over man I've Left podcast before I have I've timed it poorly you know what it is if I don't pee right before the show it could get cuz then I might have gone hours without peeing it's weird it doesn't break the seal you know like when you pee when you're drinking that first pee then you got to go every 20 30 minutes sometimes maybe not you it happens to me like at the UFC event one time I I shouldn't have gone at all I should have just held it well you know where it breaks me Monster energy drinks I don't drink those anymore but at the UFC um they

154:51have those and sometimes you know you're doing like 6 hours of commentary you you want a little caffeine but uh I would have those monsters and man that I would have to piss like within an hour it's crazy like there's some stuff in them like they're there's some form of a diuretic in some way speaking of I maybe you would know this I looked up something yesterday when I was eating a burrito on a hot sauce there's something called xantham gum in it yeah and it was like a thickening agent is what I read right but when I was looking on the Wikipedia about xantham gum it says it's a it's used as a heavy uh laxative really and in my head I was just like maybe that's what's making people themselves when they need a lot of hot sauce it's that not the hot sauce could be maybe I don't know High thinking I think um there's a reaction that your body has your stomach has to hot sauce

155:40too your body like what in the and that makes you yourself too not really necessarily yourself as much as have to take a how the hell did you get there uh bladder control drinking hot sauce zanth gum been out of the room for 30 seconds wow I actually while I was going to the toilet I just remembered Pirates yes do you know why they have the earrings the gold earrings cuz they're gay they're all gay well actually you are very right that they did accept homosexuality as a big part of it well that was why they would do it I mean they were they would that's why they dress so flamboyantly yes but that's not why they wear gold earrings no no it was actually pain for burial so when you got washed over overboard you end up floating up on a beach someone would go bury you and then take the gold the gold P that's a good deal yeah that's just interesting fact I thought it was just to look cool

156:32look like a badass with a scarf on there was women it was you know there weren't all just gay and it was there was women Pirates as well really but to be a woman pirate though you had to be able to be able to get away with you had to look like a male basically you had to be able to get away with getting yeah you had to be like a softball player type P like a chick who really likes CrossFit them thick necked ones still very womanly but large Stout what after traveling the world for for a while um the last few years I'm really big fan of yoga pants on airplanes oh yes everywhere y they figured it out they figured it out it's amazing that they took so long but now girls are just rocking them constantly like you ain't going to yoga you just want everybody to see your perfect ass how dare you walk around but man can't do that if you walk around with yoga pants

157:23and your shaft is just like bulging in the front of your pants people would think you're rude like it's quite fine and dandy their ass to be plump and right there and all juicy and inviting but you can't have your uh your man bits compressed in front and center they'll be rude right at least in a plain full of people yeah which is not acceptable A man can't walk around with yoga pants on very few do right yeah I don't think I could I don't think I could pull it off it's an argument for a large fanny pack yoga pants and a large fanny pack for a man it's like what is belong behind that fanny pack wouldn't you like to know my eyes are up here oh fanny pack that just CS me up when you say that what oh because you guys the vagina yeah Fanny is a vagina in England and Australia as well but also we wouldn't be caught dead wearing an actual Fanny Packa bum bag

158:14whatever you want well they just not fashionable um I wear one you wear one all the time I could see it's being useful it's amazing yeah if you're not trying to get laid man just rock it do you want one I have them I'm trying to get L sorry so should we talk about climate change or something do sure is that's something that you want to bring up I'm just amazed at how many tangents you've been able to go on in the last few hours like it's impressive well you're in this with me yeah I know it's both our faults okay um so I don't know how much to talk about here like you've got such an intellig audience I don't know listen don't don't get too crazy okay a lot of monkeys out there listening too so I guess first thing is don't shoot the messenger normally when someone starts talking about climate change they look for reasons to you shoot them basically and and you need to diff you know it's

159:06got such a political aspect to it and like you've got to disassociate that and just look at the science you know and also take the whole I hate the word belief I believe in climate change well 2 + 2 equal 4 if you believe it's five doesn't really change the fact you know so anyway don't shoot you got a whole lecture on this huh I do you do TED talks on this uh I had a Ted Ted CH on board the ship we had Mission blue 2 which was all trying ocean conservation Sylvia Earl heads of Ted Talk fascinating fascinating um but uh yeah I just listened to them basically but um so then you have climate which is what a big mistake people make is they go oh it's weather it's cold outside well that's climate no climate is weather over very large time scales and that's a big one that people get wrong straight away um but when you look at say 14,000 peer-reviewed articles about climate

159:58change there's only 24 that reject global warming so to have this whole thing there's a debate going on there is no debate there's a debate 24 people debate no I know what you're saying I'm just joking you've seen the the documentary I assume merchants of Doubt um don't I think that one might have missed me actually it's pretty fascinating I had Michael Shermer in here who's uh the had of skeptic magazine do you know that magazine Michael Shermer is a pretty famous skeptic and uh he was I remember the skeptoid one you ripped him a new one that was great that guy's yeah he did it himself a fool um but Shermer is much more reasonable and intelligent man but he was um talking about um this documentary we I I actually brought it up and I forgot that he was in it um it was a documentary where it showed that the same people that were spreading misinformation that were actually paid

160:47to spread Mis misinformation about cigarettes about cigarettes being addictive were the very same people that were spreading misinformation about climate change people sell out for yeah exactly and they're just good at it they're good at bullshitting those 24 people you look into it they're all paid by the paid by the oilu it's all there so I mean you and me we know and the whole world's kind of come around to in the last 2 years the world is warming we know this no matter which way you look something happening something's going on and people normally go oh well that's you know solar and stuff like that going on but if you remove the the solar you know from the equation it's still going up it's still going up cuz we understand the solar Cycles quite well we've done a lot of research on them so we know what's going on and then the other thing people always say is oh it's

161:33happened over and over again throughout you know history you know and so this one's you know 800,000 years and yeah you see it cyclically going up and down but I always like to look at the averages you and the averages is kind of CO2 with an average of maybe 225 parts perill ion you know what we're up to now what we're like 43 at the moment okay so the average being 250 never got higher than 300 and we're now at 400 or something so we're we're off the charts when it comes to that and temperature the same it's always been a lot colder than it actually is today and that's just because you know Earth rotating around the Sun little bit of progression here a little bit of a tilt here we we understand this quite well otherwise we wouldn't be able to make observations of the sky as closely as we do um so people go yes it's solar but if you look at solar since

162:221960 70 it's been going down like the amount of solar radiation the amount of energy the sun's putting out that hits planet earth has been going down and yet temperature has been going up big time so right there you kind of can get away from the whole it's just natural cycle something's really going on that's not meant to be there and so as of last year we crossed 400 parts per million with CO2 in the atmosphere and actually between look at that Spike that's crazy from the 1910s to 2015 that is no no this is from 400,000 years ago no but I mean the last bike oh yeah which shows 1910s to 2015 that's when it goes completely vertical yeah ex straight up straight up and so I mean even in the last 12 months we've had the sharpest Horizon CO2 as well of about just under three parts per million so it's still increasing it's not slowing down at all it's actually increasing big time um

163:14that spike is crazy that's it's weird to look at yeah it's a rocket ship taken off straight up in the air well anytime you see this you know any scientist sees this like o that's not that's not normal that's not what things are cyclic they don't just go the hockey whatever you hockey stick do you remember when An Inconvenient Truth came out and so many people were attacking Al Gore immediately afterwards boy those conservatives they piled on it's almost like they were just trying to avoid the information getting out just trying to keep business as usual for as long as possible I haven't wonder what sort of world we'd currently live in if Al go be yeah well he should have he should got over yeah that that was one of the weirdest elections that we're like yeah yeah yeah we know you won but whatever George Bush second term come on come on you never get rid of a

164:04president in in war do you you always have they always get two terms if there's war going on well John Curry was the second term right it was Al Gore was the first one right wasn't it Al girl didn't Al girl run against him the first time and then John krey did the second time was that what it was yeah and even John krey there was some there was some when it came to there was did you ever well it's totally different subject but um there was a um fantastic HBO documentary on called hacking democracy and it was all about how these diebold U machines that were created these election counting machines where uh they they were a huge contributors to the Republican Party the the diebold corporation which changed their name afterwards but they also they engineered some sort of a back door into the system like clearly that could be hacked and they showed it like without

164:56doubt on the show on the in the documentary that you can hack these machines and alter the results yeah and these are the machines that they used one you know Bush became president seats then remember the dang dangling Chads whatever it was it's messed up it's messed up yeah yeah let's um so I mean temperatures they're Rising we know this um as I said worldwide I think we're about 1.5 at the moment degrees above pre-industrial Northern Hemisphere 2 at the moment um so where are they going well they they're going towards about 6° by the end of the century six yeah so you'll talk to people and they'll go H 4.5 um any climate scientist you get this all the time so you go tell me what's going to happen by 2000 the end of the century they're like 4.5 de CSUS temperature rise and then you have a drink with them afterwards and they're like well I can prove 4.5 to

165:5199.99% probability but I can prove six at 92% probability you know what I mean and so they don't ever print it because they can't be 100% certain there there's a few more variables they need more data they need more research they need more calcul that's the real number but that's actually where it's heading so that's why you get these great graphs where you see I mean this graph here it's a few years old it says oh it may only get to 1.5° we we're already there you know so the lowest end of this is already happened the higher end is is is about 6° um depending on you know the different research that you do but I think it's just good that people realize that scientists won't publish something unless they're 100% certain on something and so there's a lot of things that they're pretty certain on they'll tell you over a drink later on but they won't publish it and they're generally that's

166:36why every year it seems to get worse and worse the predictions um positive proof of global warming is underwear more visual visual joke than anything I don't think I think that's people found out people look better those little tiny underwear this is a by the way the vast majority of the people uh that enjoy this show uh listen I'm trying my best talk about it more than 90% so that that picture they're like what the did they see there was just old school Bloomers from the 1900s early 1900s to the little tiny um bikini underwear that the young ladies like to wear today um which I support if that's what global warming is bringing us heha ah fire up the oh dear um fire up the carbon I'll skip through this as quickly as I can what's going on why is this all happening well we're pumping out 9 billion tons of carbon dioxide per year okay and the vast what I like about

167:33this graph is that you can see that about 3 and2 billion tons is actually coming from coal and about 3 and a half from petroleum so actually just removing coal from the equation is like a third more than a third that's China is a big one right austral Australia's Got heaps five power plants Australia well America has some as well yeah right but China is a they have a huge problem with it right don't they yeah you need I mean it's ancient technology hundreds of years old we we got much better stuff these days okay instead of just going over these graphs and showing how we're what can be done is there something that can be done do you do you have a solution yeah Adam crop for president of the world I couldn't put up with politicians no you couldn't but um I yeah I have I can just skip straight forward to the solutions if you like we have to ride or no no no I just you know just want to

168:21point out that you know different things are going on cyclones hurricanes are getting worse and worse uh they're more powerful there's more of them uh the jet streams messed up um sea level rise oh you know they say maybe 2 m but once you factor in positive feedback loops and stuff like that it can be it can be significantly higher so you come back to the old mold Dees thing you know they're they're gone um interesting man you ever ever heard of this guy no no he was the president of the males he was the first um democratically elected president of 100% Muslim country did he like carrots uh looks like a rabbit up his teeth gu kind some crazy he was a marine biologist but he's like he biting his lower lip like he's uh is that just a weird face they CAU him Mak a weird picture but he spent um he spent 18 six years in jail and 18 months in solitary confinement whoa for what for going for

169:16talking about climate change what yeah yeah it's crazy he wanted to be put him in jail yeah he's he's currently in jail I think at the moment for talking about climate change yeah wow who who put him in jail the the next president that came in anyway but so what do you have is this huge potential of sea level we go oh 2 meters and most people go oh yeah 2 meters build a wall whatever um people in Shanghai would disagree but anyway you have this sea level rise potential though with positive feedback loops so water vapor is probably the most well understood you know more more hotter you have the more water vapor you have and that Cycles back on itself and it gets hotter another one is like the permafrost in Siberia and stuff like this so as this area THS it releases h of methane which then cycles and it gets more and more and more so if you take this all into account then you get a

170:05huge sea level rise of about 60 m is the potential of what can go on 16 M no no 60 60 60 M convert that to feet at your leisure about 200 ft oh my my God but show a graph one thing show an image of you know there's Australia with 60 M sea level rise where's the states there Florida where is it good we go rid of Florida California looks like it has plenty of water Now problem solved you got a nice little look at all that stuff in the middle we got plenty of places to live yeah you well that's stuff in the middle there's no one there anyway right Europe most of Europe's gone um good good riddens then you also have the ocean acidification do you know much about that one um yes I have read about that that's that's uh one of the more disturbing aspects the not just oan acidification um but less oxygen and more dead zones well the last time this happened which is it's happening it's

171:04only a couple decades away 96% 96% of the marine species on this Earth perished when was this uh 252 million years ago well we bounced back we did it's called the Great dying um at the current trends of what's going on 2050 we're looking at this ocean acidification event happening so that means that all coral reefs won't be able to grow Coral anymore uh no shellfish can grow shells anymore um basically they can't bind calcium carbonate out of the water anymore the basically the the chemistry doesn't work anymore and that at the moment is looking about 2050 Jesus yeah and that's pretty much that's all your fish species everything that's that's a lot of stuff going I saw something online about there was a solution that they were proposing where they would put scrap iron all throughout the uh the ocean and that that would somehow or another attract algae and

171:58that would uh basically you're seeding a whole hiap of life to bloom um phytoplankton and the basis the the the start of the food chain you're you're going hey here's a whole liap of stuff for you that makes you grow faster and bigger and stronger and so it seeds that and so yeah it will absorb a large amount of CO2 for sure not enough yeah it's it's tough the the ocean's doing a damn good job at the moment of absorbing a lot of CO2 and that's why we have this kind of 40-year lag thing going on because the ocean absorbs a lot of heat and it's a heat sink you know but I mean this one here this is from this is this month and you've got 12° warmer in the top um it's crazy and yeah about 12° warmer than standard than normal the Arctic the Arctic basically didn't have a winter this year it just stayed summer yeah stayed summer like how warm 12° C warmer than usual wa yeah

172:57so that whole Arctic uh ice free sort of thing that's not too far away it's actually not too far away it's closer than you think and Greenland is thoring very very fast I mean if you look at the melts uh over 50% of Greenland melted last year most of it refr thank God but it it's melting over 50% yeah uh that's a graph in front of you 2015 melt percentage was over 50% of it melted um normally just over about 20% melts per year but a large portion of it melted was Greenland at one point in time green was that the reason why they called it Greenland they just messed up the naming to the truth cuz yeahand I know Iceland and Greenland should be the other way around but all right but I'm going there for the first time actually in June go on National Geographic Explorer I'm doing swad Iceland Greenland super excited again I I love these charts and graphs but we're

173:50almost out of time here we're we're at three minutes what can we do well yeah what can we do um you need to save the children but I prefer save the animals so that's what it's all about what you like the animals more than the people well I'm scared of toddlers they kill more people than terrorists so I'm I'm scared of them toddlers do yeah toddlers in the states kill more people than terrorists um how do they kill people shoot them generally no those then guns are killing people not toddlers right well just keep the guns away from the Toddlers and you don't kill anybody how many people got get killed by toddlers it's a lot it's crazy really yeah it's crazy toddlers with guns that should be a website that should be a new band Jamie thinking about a band name toddlers with guns death by toddler yes death by toddler I like it there is a million different things you can do with

174:38climate change there is and the thing that most people do is oh here's a great idea we need to do that one Ona no we need to do all of them and we need to do them all now and we need to do them all 20 years ago basically that's why I keep saying really have you tried turning it on and off again like we kind of do need to kind of do a full reset but we need to start we have the technology to get to do all these things and keep living standards up we have the technology we just need to start acting on it whether it be hyperloop like hyperloop is a great idea why aren't we doing that um and the most big thing that always comes to me you know put solar panels on your roof uh efficiency is a huge one change the L LED bulbs all that sort of stuff there's a million different things and we've gone over this a million times as well but always comes down back to money and I always

175:21say there's lots of money out there to be done there's lots of money to be used and you can raise taxes carbon taxes a great way very efficient impr proven over and over it's a great way to actually curb climate change you could just print the money like the banks do that that always works you could I'm going to get in a lot of trouble for this but um you could take a little bit of the war budget the military budget how are you going to get in trouble for that that's not controversal You' be amazed I do climate change talks the moment I talk about reducing military budgets and putting it towards good uh climate change that sort of Freedom a free Freedom a free I love Team America that's a great movie um so I mean I actually did I I started a I think nonprofit it's more of an idea at the moment called world without war and that was all about hey let's take

176:0650% of the military budgets and put it towards large infrastructure projects uh planting trees build a hyperloop and once you do the figures like once you have oh I've got $2 trillion what can I do for $2 trillion you'd be am you can give free education to everyone you can convert all those coal P plants into uh Renewables you can completely reduce deforestation you can do this your website worldwi war.org as I said it's just an idea just started um but that's the last one I like to end on CU I know we're running out of time is yeah Buckminster Fuller and I think he put it best which is it is now High highly feasible to take care of everyone on Earth at a higher standard of living than any of ever known it no longer has to be you and me selfish is unnecessary war is obsolete it's a matter of converting the high technology from Weaponry to livry that's a beautiful quote but how

176:58do you how do you deal with Isis how do you deal with Isis don't once again I'll get in trouble don't uh don't build Isis in the first place don't give them all the weapons in the first place but once you uh once you do have them with all the weapons what is this people getting shot by toddlers on a weekly basis this year is this real oh my God more Americans two-year-olds are shooting people yeah what the in October 2015 it said 43 instances what yeah oh my God this is insane in 2015 at least 13 toddlers have been have inadvertently killed themselves with Firearms 18 more injured themselves 10 injured other people and two killed other people so I'm scar of children well we just it's not the kids it's people that leave the guns around kids that's what it is cuz you know Australia we have no guns yeah no we had the largest Massacre on Earth um 36 people or something got killed and

178:00we just turned around and went H you know what we don't need guns yeah worked rather well it did for you guys but again you have the population of Los Angeles in a giant hunko land yeah there's there's something like a certain I think there's hundreds of millions of guns in America I think there's as many guns as there are people and there are trillions of rounds of ammunition and the gun people say if there was really a gun problem you'd know it with all our guns and all our ammo if there was really a gun problem I I just reasonably suggested reasonably suggested that people that are mentally unbalanced maybe shouldn't have guns if people and the hate I got from the far right like the people that really believe in the Second Amendment says the right it's a right to keep and be on not but no butts I believe in the Second Amendment but no no no no butts no butts guns isn't it

179:06like a well-armed militia to stop government uh supposed to be well that's what they think like those the Oregon people who we never figured out who first dubbed them yal Qaeda whoever that guy is kudos to you or her ma'am or sir it's great great name but uh yeah those people there's a lot of people like that they think well they're coming for our guns they're coming it's education when it comes down to it the best thing money for dollar for dollar that you can do is education if you educate women in the world they have less children and that that solves a lot of problems right there too the truth um the only other thing dollar for dollar education is the best way um and especially ating women and uh in third world countries especially but that was the way 20 years ago I feel now we've gotten to the point where we really I I said 40e lag so what's happening now

179:59we're not going to see for 40 years we need to do something major we need to do something right now and that's why I quite like the world without War thing cuz for every dollar you spend lobbying to get people to reduce their military budget you it's a multiplier you're going to get a lot more money devoted to something that is better for society but basically something that's whether it's infrastructure or hyperloop or plant trees or get electric cars whatever throw the money at it well very few people would argue with you that the world would be better off without War I think the real argument everyone argues with me on that one I think the real argument would be whether or not the rest of the world would cooperate like if we all would agree let's just like ramp down our gun production our missile production let's ramp it down and everybody relax and let's reallocate

180:45those resources most people would say that would be a great idea but who's going to do it as well you know is Isis going to do it I like the example of India and Pakistan India and Pakistan keep raising their military budgets every year to compete with each other because they don't they want to make sure they're spending the same amount as the other guy because they're scared of the other guy you go to these two countries and you go hey here's a treaty just like all the trade agreements whatever that you sign and you reduce your military budget by 50% and the other guy promises to do it as well suddenly you're reducing War which I'm all for and you're also helping relieving a whole leap of money available for climate change abatement so I think it's a win-win situation but oh my Lord I get in trouble when I talk about it well you sound like a hippie sound like an idealistic hippie that's

181:28what the problem is the people right now are yeah this hippie shutting their iPhone off right now hippie I hate when Rogan has hippies on but but who wants War man no one wants War except maybe jao jao might want it that most people don't want it you know they they you know they reluctantly accept the fact that we have disputes and then we have uh armies to handle that and keep us safe but but but if you ask them would it be better if we just took that money and instead of like having all this military spent it on climate change yeah but then there's also those people that are in the military that don't have jobs anymore like we don't have any soldiers like we have less soldiers I'm sure we can get jobs for them that don't involve killing people there's there many different ways to do this you can um this is all very reasonable I just don't know yeah no it's said I I'm

182:18amazed at how much Kickback I get from that one thing I normally don't mention it I normally climate change I don't want to convolute it with something like that but it's such a a perfect idea a perfect idea is and that can solve a lot of problems and at the time frame that we need to solve them because everything else if you look at the climate Paris talks right cop 21 so the 21st time they got together to talk about climate change they eventually went okay 194 countries we agree something's going wrong and we need to prevent the Earth from warming to 2° C well 6 months later we're already there you know so and and they they're not agreeing to do anything for 5 years as well so they don't even start to do anything 5 years like if we wait for politicians to do something about this we are just so screwed we really are well that's a one of the problems with

183:04having politicians is that they're not experts they're not experts in anything they're experts in figuring out how to get people to vote for them that's it most politicians are they're not the best at anything they're certainly not like exemplary human beings who are Beyond reproach yeah they're good at you know they're good at debates like other than Bernie Sanders I mean Bernie Sanders seems to be a pretty exemplary guy believe or not believe in socialism argue it as you may he seems like a great guy with some pretty good ideas about the world but we're out of time we're out of time Adam we got we got to wrap amazing how quickly that goes this 3 hours and 15 minutes man right about that something like that we're over we went over we don't give a over here um thank you very much though let's do this again man how often are you in La um I have no idea but hey I'll come back next year

183:56you're all over the place man I know where I'm going come come around come visit us but thank you very much I really appreciate it it's been a great pleasure and hey keep up the good work Joe you you are really doing some amazing stuff here and I I don't think people tell you that enough that we're listening all the way back in Australia and we're loving what you're doing thank you brother I really appreciate that all right thank you friends uh that's it for this week you I'll see you soon bye-bye big kiss sh