Robin Black

00:08em live my man I wish people who weren't watching on YouTube could just see the Majesty that is the jacket that Robin black is wearing right now how would you describe that uh it's just a gin jacket man it's a colorful gin jacket I like colorful stuff it's definitely but it's not just colorful it's like you're trying to blend in in a rave well it could be it does have some camouflaging effect yeah if you were hunting in a rave that's what you would wear exactly it's like a I don't know what you'd be hunting yeah yeah I guess ecstasy uh it's like uh like a a light blue with like purple yeah some sort of decorations camouflage is a weird thing like when you see guys walking down the street with camouflage and it's like it's what if they really were camouflage like you just see a head floting down the street well one day they're going to have that have you ever seen that

00:56Japanese invention they came up with they have this um like a cloak that you can wear and it essentially takes an image of what's behind you and projects it on the front so invisibility yeah it's you know it's kind of crude right now but what it is is like the guy stand like you could see it right here look at this that is ridiculous isn't that nuts that is wild so this guy so what we're looking at is a guy holding a ball and the ball does it and so the ball somehow or another he's holding it in front of his face and it doesn't show him when it's in front of him it shows what's behind him crazy I don't know how that one's working yeah I don't know so here's the this is the cloak I've seen the cloak before but you know you can still see the cloak well that's the thing with that kind of Technology once it starts then you're on your way like then whether it's in one year or three

01:44years or TW 12 years you're going to be invisible yeah it's we're in such a strange time because these emerging things are just starting to come out where where people go ooh oh whoa you know like magic leap have you seen that magic leap technology I just read tweeted a new version of it today that somebody sent me it's like God damn it it just keeps getting so better was it magic leap or was it the um the Microsoft one which one's a m one's a Google one and one's a Microsoft magic leap is a Microsoft one which one did I tweet today I'm looking right now uh but they've um Hollow lens Microsoft is hollow lens that's Microsoft they've got these new goggles that you're going to be able to wear and it's going to be like Minority Report like the world is going to be your desktop going be to spin things in the air stop them expand them contract them I mean you knew that

02:31was coming like as soon as you see it on a movie you know that's going to happen the one thing right now it's like we are in probably the fastest time of change ever yeah you know what I mean it's like if you have an idea that idea can be done it's just a series of steps to have to do it yeah I mean I I think if you go back just a few is this it right here Jamie yeah just a picture just pictures of them using it like how crazy that's going to be man you're going to be able to like see movies play out in your living room right in front of you video games uh you know if you were doing a demonstration for like a company or something like that and you want to show them a project you're working on or maybe some architecture you're trying to construct insane yeah crazy times and you know the first thing people are going to start doing is how do we connect this to sex oh yeah right

03:15away that's where the money is that's what somebody's thinking of that right now yeah people are going to be able to right in your living room right you're going to be able that's what the new porn's going to be the thing is I can in my living room yes right you can do it yourself I could yeah do it yourself world we need to get back to that people get back to doing things actually not just watching them yeah that is that is a weird thing I mean as much as you know you make comedy and fighting and podcasts and stuff it's still strange that people watch stuff all the time don't you find people would love to be entertained yeah I do you know yeah yeah we like we like to just have other people do the just sit back and watch yeah but do you find this is something I always kind of wonder about you how you can possibly consume so many interesting and unrelated topics

04:06and develop expertise in so many unrelated things while being a Content maker like you're making stuff that people consume how can you possibly be mastering all these things at once I don't really have any I'm not I've mastered anything you know I'm I'm pretty good at comedy I throw some good kicks I know Jiu-Jitsu pretty well I'm not a master at any of those things yeah but I mean you're bow hunting your you know there's so many different things you know like I literally do fighting stuff all day every day and when I get a break I hang out with my wife and sometimes I'll take a day off and that's it I don't know about other stuff it it fascinates me how you can possibly know about so many things that seem unconnected I I I assume that it's probably some some something wrong with my brain you know I I assume that this it's like a extreme form of ADD but I

04:58need a bunch of different things going on in my mind in my life I just if I don't have a bunch of different things going on I don't I don't feel stimulated enough I'm almost the opposite it's like I literally specialize so deeply in something once I know something about it I need to know way more about it and when I know stuff about that that opens up a ton of new questions and that's why it's the same kind of area of stuff that I am obsessively researching and studying I do that too but I just do it with a bunch of different things that's what I mean that's what I'm getting at I listen to archery podcasts where they're just talking about very specific like ways to hold a bow and and and and fix your sight and make sure you use your release properly I'll listen to those things for hours and hours and hours obsessively yeah on top of practicing I just get obsessed with

05:48things but I used to worry about it when I was younger I used to be like what the is wrong with me I can't just concentrate on one thing I always have all this other going on in my life but then I realize like well that's just me if I just enjoy just do those things then then it doesn't concern me then I'm just appreciative that I have so many interests did you ever read some piece somebody wrote something about uh I hate Joe Rogan or why I hate Joe Rogan and then he went on this path and he discovered that he actually uh hated that you were your authentic self have you ever read this somebody wrote this thing and as he learned more about what it was to be authentically him he realized his hatred for famous person was that he was looking at him and he hated that that guy was actually him you seen well it's easy to hate somebody that's like in the microscope all the

06:38time because you'll find all these flaws like if you follow someone every day day in day out and expect Perfection or Enlightenment you're going to be massively disappointed cuz the kind of exposure that you get when you're doing a podcast like when you're talking to someone for hours and hours and hours you know I've done 700 what is this 7 762 762 the shortest one is an hour most of them are 3 hours that's 2,100 almost 2500 hours somewhere around that you know who give or take but it's um there yeah you're going to you're going to get annoyed at me I get annoyed at me but his point wasn't that it was that you are authentically Joe Rogan like whatever it is you do you ended up being I mean you're sitting here in a place that you built to do the thing that you want to do exactly the way you want to do it you're as authentically a human being as a person can be I guess

07:32so you know like when you're talking about accepting why you go and are do things the way that you do them that's why you do because you're like being some other thing I'm going to be this thing well that's just I I think having this kind of a life is super lucky and if I didn't live it that way I wouldn't be taking advantage of this huge opportunity that very few people get most people have to work yeah they have an actual job that they don't really necessarily like that much and somehow or another I figured out a way I mean I worked when I was younger for sure and I figured out how to get to this spot by sort of moving away from things that I didn't want to do but now that I get to a point where everything I do whether it's this I was looking forward to this I'm like I'm going to get to hang with my friend Robert we're going to have some fun talk some MMA and

08:15life and all kinds of and that's the same thing I feel like when I go do standup same thing I feel like when I'm practicing archery or I'm working out is those these are things I enjoy doing so and that's why I do what I do and I really believe people can do that I think you just have to start first of all by figuring out what it is you want to do yeah cuz if you don't know that then you're just going to start wandering but the thing is if you push somebody they all know most people really know what it is that they love I find that young people a lot of times don't like a lot of young young folks when I talk to them and they just don't have a path like God I just need to find something to do I'm thinking about doing this or maybe I'll I'll join the military to get some guidance and some discipline or maybe I'll do that or they just it's it's hard to tell because like

09:00what's cool for you you know Jamie might not like what Jamie might like I might not like Jamie was trying to find uh Kanye West shoes all that I don't like that he probably thinks this jacket is stupid was up all night trying to get Kanye West shoes you know it's true yeah it's for everybody everybody's different you know I think you got to figure out what it is you like doing because the path of going to do that is the whole point it's not people often be like well I want to get this kind of job or I want to buy this kind of house and it's not it's not supposed to be that way in my opinion you're supposed to start on a path and on that path traveling along it you're having Adventures you're stumbling onto new things and the challenge of it being really hard to achieve is part of what gets you up every day yeah and it's also fun like watching things improve

09:49watching yourself get better at things and analyzing things and figuring out what the hole the holes are the flaws where the where the errors are in your little system that you've created those those those moments are awesome they're really fun yeah it's just you know what really frustrates me really frustrates me when talking about these things sometimes I'll get messages from people and they'll say well that's easy for you to say because you know you've got lucky and you found it but like you know a lot of people can't do that a lot of people have respond and they'll they'll come up with all these reasons why they can't instead of saying well my situation is particularly difficult but there's a workaround and I'm going to find it yeah it might take me a year it might take me a decade I'm going to find it if wherever it is you're ending up is somewhere in the future you don't know

10:35what that is and now it's like well I would like to do that thing I got to do but I have all these responsibilities okay our new job figure out how to take care of those responsibilities that's step one do you know mazlo's hierarchy of needs yes that idea that first we have to like you got to eat you got to stay dry and you got to drink water once we've kind of accomplished that kind of stuff that's out of the way then we start to go a little further how do we become safer once that happens you climb up to the point that you're actually eating sleeping having sex you have a place to live you have a job and now you're trying to learn more things and it's just a natural kind of transition to get smarter and move but it's easy to say that the hard part I think is starting going that way yeah you know the hard part is going okay this isn't working well what if I got some exercise

11:24like maybe that would help like some for some people that path isn't what job do I got to start tomorrow that path is like well I'm unhealthy or I don't think my thought processes aren't things that lead me this way so you got to start way low on that thing and start getting that together eat good get sleep and exercise that's everybody should have to do those things like it our society should be shaped in a way that you have to do those things because if you aren't doing those things you right there you're starting from a place where you're just not performing as well as you could it's so hard to tell people that though they don't want to hear it they just love that food porn they just love just shoving Donuts in their face oh yeah pasta and just sugar but there's a lot of things that are terrible for you that are great heroin's I've only been in in uh

12:18Woodland Hills three times this is the second time I've been on your show the other time was the time I was on heroin for 4 days that's the only other time I was in four days for four days in Woodland Hills I was 20 years old damnn yeah it was weird shooting up yeah yeah it was very strange that's a commitment yeah it didn't start that way like liter like all things Mo nobody grows up and says I'm going to do really stupid things I was like 20 and I lived in winipeg Manitoba and uh I was really into music and I came down here for I was a hairdresser at the time and so uh and and this jacket would work perfectly so in your hair yeah my hair exactly so and I was down doing some like I would do Platform work where I would like demonstrate how to do stuff for other hairdressers and people and uh I went to uh uh not The Viper Room uh one of those clubs and this pretty woman comes up to

13:13me and says uh are you musician and I'm like yeah but and I'm kind of about to say but I live in Canada and that you know and she goes well my husband's putting together a band and uh you got to meet him his name's Andy McCoy and Andy McCoy wouldn't mean much to a lot of people but to somebody who was really into like mly crew and stuff like that he was in a band called Hanoi Rocks that was kind of started that movement I'm like whoa I'm gonna be famous like I'm gonna be rich and famous not knowing that although metal Edge told me that this guy was a big deal he was just a a musician but I to a 20-year-old from Winnipeg like oh my God I'm gonna be in a huge band so I go and I meet him we go to his house in Woodland Hills and actually I've been here four times there was that time that I flew home to Winnipeg and they flew me back down cuz they were going to get me singing in

14:00their band I'm like 20 years old this guy's like famous to me right so I get down there and that is not all that organized you know what I mean like something's not making a lot of sense and then around day two I figur out okay it's because everyone's on heroin and it started we had smoked some pot which in Winnipeg in Manitoba we called that dope you want to smoke some dope it's like sure it was like so he goes you do dope I'm like yeah I just smoked it with you like 20 minutes ago goes no like and then before I knew it he had injected me with Heroin like a conversation sort of happened I was trying to be not super uncool but like not saying yes I want to do heroin and then four days went by like literally just shooting up for four days and then I just about missed my plane home so I had a girl and a and a home and a job and all those kinds of things and I'm kind of looking at like

14:51the plane ticket and I know it's like okay if I get a cab in the next two hours I'll get the plane I'll get home or whatever and and he's like well just you know and you're not even thinking it's like you're barely even there and somewhere along the line I was just like don't worry about it just F you don't have to go get on the plane I probably got a $100 to my name and if I didn't get on that plane I'd have no job no girl I'd be a heroin addict with no money in Woodland Hills with a guy who's doesn't have his together I think in the years since he's got his together I haven't seen him since then and uh I made myself go and I was sick for two or three days and I realized like literally that second in time if I don't convince myself to get on that plane my whole life is ruined whoa yeah like I just so vividly remember talking trying to talk myself into just it stay here don't worry

15:44about it and then I would think to myself well what are you going to do when are you going to get home don't worry about it man and I just forced my and I was literally convincing myself don't bother don't worry it's not a big deal but it was obviously a big deal and I got home I was sick for 2 days and I've never taken an opiate or any kind of painkiller ever again so you were sick like hung over yeah a violent form of it like did was it withdrawals probably right probably like you'd have to talk to you know I in the course of playing in music I've met lots of people who have have opiate problems and they would say a man four days it's nothing but to a person who you know to a person who was a normal person and then all of a sudden they were doing drugs for or four days it probably was yeah violent withdrawals it was very sick and I knew that day it's like I'm

16:33just never going to take any kind of narcotic or painkiller like that ever again wow so that was the second last time I was in Woodland Hills well the the idea that you could just become that person like that you just meet the wrong person and hey man you want to do some dope oh yeah we just did dope all of a sudden you're on heroin yeah and and there's lots of those little moments in everybody's life yeah you know and big one that's a big one but you don't know where when they are or where they are or how they start you're just suddenly you know what I mean many less as we get older we start to get a little smarter you recognize big risks earlier on down the road as you get older a life experience helps you with that but yeah that's I was thinking that on the way here today I was like oh yeah but I I mean that's 25 26 years ago so did you ever talk to

17:28that again uh we were in touch about maybe still putting this band together and then he was clearly you know had addiction issues I followed him a little bit after he um he uh had a reality show he's from Finland and he's a pretty big rockar in Finland and he and his wife who was there at the time that was the woman that I met they had a reality show with you know kind of like um what Aussie did but with them and uh yeah so crazy yeah Finland yeah how many people are in Finland probably about half as many as Canada would be my guest which about 30 million so 15 or 20 million maybe and this guy's a just big rock star over there I think so I mean it's the whole music world is such a different life to me now like I've been so deeply embedded in fighting for the last decade like I don't know about much else like he he could be the president of Finland right now for all I know like

18:20I just don't consume a lot of other things you know what's shocking to me I have a lot of friends now that are musicians that are doing really well and not making much money yeah it's it's Eerie it's it's it's Eerie when you find out that these guys who you think would be Ballers are like kind of struggling yeah that that business is crazy dead it's not just but the touring is what I don't understand it's like how how come they're not making all this money from touring but I guess it's like a comic has a much lower overhead Comics just we don't need anything just turn the microphone on we're good they need support they have all these other people that are there you know they have people that carry their stuff Ries sound people lights yeah they have other people in the band obviously so um when when we went and S you at C there that was awesome too by the way that was fun the

19:09C theater at MGM doing that again next month yeah cool is the uh with so something like that do you have anybody else like is there is there a sound guy is it the house guy like do you they have a house guy yeah they just have to turn the mic on that's amazing man yeah well it's just so low maintenance being a comedian you just have to you know sell tickets and you get there and you say hi and you just go do your act except for the 30 years of developing your act building it and having you know the insight to understanding how people laugh and all that kind of stuff yeah you're sort of developing your ability to make an act but the act itself is like it lives for about two years and it dies then you have to like Let It Go like you you you build it up you put it on something put it on some sort of a special or a CD or something like that and then you got abandon it wow and then

20:00you move on to the next two hours and in those two years I'm going to pull this back to fighting because everything gets pulled back fighting I've been trying to just go you don't have to talk about fighting all the time I've been telling myself that outside of work regularly actively trying to find other things to to know about or learn about but uh uh you build um like structures around something right so Johnny Hendrick goes to fight Stephen Thompson yeah his whole world has been built like that act for years he he built that thing and structures were built around how to perform that act that way and then all of a sudden it's just dated it's just not going to work in this setting you know yeah it's completely dated when you're dealing with there's there's two things that Wonderboy did in that fight um that you're you just didn't see up until he came around and uh one big one

20:53was the front leg attacks his front leg sidekick and front leg roundhouse kick to the face you see he hit Johnny with a front leg s kick to the body you can see it really shook Johnny and then immediately afterwards he goes high and hits him with a front leg roundhouse kick right in the chin and he's like what in the like this guy can do some with his feet that I'm just not geared up for I'm not it doesn't he didn't have the timing for it it's Johnny was in a gym boxing with boxers yeah lots and lots of boxers his hands are great he's got it together moving around long as gu stand in front of him and it's like that literally what Stephen Thompson did and what you're the really exciting thing you're seeing right now is this weird moment where it's like you're a great wrestler so what am I need to do I got to go learn to wrestle you don't have to learn to wrestle we're going to do that

21:45anyways we got to learn to make it not about wrestling we got to make it so I mean MMA developed by finding the answer to the thing and somewhere all of us every coach every one of us uh five years ago seven years ago we were like well that's it it's boxing wrestling Brazilian jiu-jitsu this cage work this is how fighting is done that's it we're way wrong so when that when we think that we start building a structure gym environment curriculums how we train and that thing gets more ingrained and complicated and you go to the gym you work these four or five things and some guy over here is working other stuff and our whole gym is like that and the all our training partners are like that and we're working the Mixed Martial Arts curriculum but some other guy isn't and when he develops that thing we're not prepared for it we're just not prepared for it yeah sport karate that sport

22:39karate Blitz that's something that Thompson can do but also he came from a kickboxing background so he's got the sport karate ability to LEAP in sort of like Raymond Daniels who fights in glory he's got that leap in attack ability that's very difficult to deal with if you don't have that kind of footwork and then on top of that he can string together beautiful hand combinations so he'll he'll slide in Blitz you with four or five beautiful hand combinations and then slide away and then kick you in the stomach as he's Sliding Away and you're like Jesus Christ like you can see the bewildered look on Johnny's face in that fight yeah and he's a brilliant fighter he he was the champ champ he's a tough guy but Johnny's got that style where he'll stand like Johnny and Robbie they stood in front of each other and you're just not going to find that with Wonder

23:26Boy he's just not there that's what this guy's trying to to that's the game he's going to try to this guy he's holding up a plastic cell is it plastic cell plastic cell look they sent us a Conor McGregor doll it's yeah he's all Stumpy and like Angry the same guys who sent the biggie doll they sent us a Conor McGregor and Jam's got a Tupac over there there's a Bruce Lee for Joey Diaz that's cool but uh that's he'll the move but but what he can do with his feet is not nearly at the level that Steven Thompson is Ste Thompson's doing some with his feet the way he's throwing kicks they're deadly I mean he he's he's one of the best kickboxers that America's really ever produced that's amazing 57 and0 as a kickboxer yeah and then if you so then you go and train with Weidman right and and Weidman roughs you up and ridman's weidman's work ethic and and the whole thing rubs

24:20off on you and you just start getting familiar with it and it is yeah I can defend takedowns but more importantly we ain't wrestling we're not going to wrestle and it seems him Cruz Cruz is a absolute genius all these guys even Demetrius and and Matt Hume they play this game so we're sitting here and like can we we can't wrestle from here right so for you to get to me you have to travel through space as you move forward two feet I move back two feet you move that way two feet and you play this game where we keep the space forever and I just keep that space as long as you want me I'm making that space and when the space is there either you're going to get so lulled into it that I can uh Dart in and Wonderboy weapons are as kicks but some guys will do with their hands and dart in and hit you or you start chasing me you chase me I intercept you and you up and it's just so logical

25:12and you're looking at it now and just the way that the karate guys had to go learn to wrestle or did they they had to learn to not wrestle to make it not about wrestling as much as possible the Johnny Hendrick the Matt Hughes style of fighter they got to figure this out they have figure it out well you know what happened was he learned how to get comfortable standing up where he didn't worry about being taken down all the time and then you got to see what he's really capable of with his striking because you look at his earlier fights he was a little more tight because he was worried about being taken down so all that take down defense I mean he always had the great footwork but now he also has a solution if you do grab him so when guys grab him he's not out of water he knows what to do he can break free again and it is way harder to take someone down when they're not trying to

25:59wrestle with you if someone's trying to be aggressive and attack you can counter and you can take advantage of of of of openings that they leave but when someone is just being defensive like if Jiu-Jitsu if you roll with someone it's very hard to tap someone who's just being defensive they're not trying to attack it's when they open up and they go after you that's when you can get them that's when they leave openings and it's the same I think the same thing with wrestling these guys like merco kroop was a great example when he first started fighting in Pride he took you know just like a year or so and all of a sudden he had Tak down defense figured out and everybody was because then you got a stand with this guy and he was one of the best examples of a highlevel kickboxer that entered into MMA because he was always a One-Shot explosive Striker whereas a guy like

26:45Ernesto host was a combination fighter a guy who threw beautiful technically perfect combinations but never really like like blitzed in and exploded and it seems like the blitz is a big part of MMA fighting it's not I mean the technical striking for sure is important but I think you've got to be able to make that Mark quickly especially with those little gloves yeah and the the footwork if it gets me over gets you over here that I have to take one step to Center back into you then you Blitz me there that's what Dominic's doing for the last like number of years and then he start now he get so good at that thing you can't quite figure out how to even like the the Anthony Johnson is so good at staying in Balance to hit you wherever you are he's in Balance to hit you cuz Henry hoof looked at him and was like what's the key to this guy just put him in a place where he can always hit

27:41like put him in a place where he can deliver with power he's really good at that small little steps you know and uh but Dominick Cruz could dance all around him Dominic Cruz could move it so that he has to step back to hit him that's when he'll get in then he gets so good at that one thing that he just starts camouflaging with other things now you don't know when it's coming now maybe you hesitate oh when you hesitate he has an an option when you chase he has more options you think it's better to to stay still so you do then you get beat up so then you think I better get after them and then when you do you get intercepted and that whole thing must become so frustrating you know so mentally frustrating then you're like I got to take this guy down and in some case that's what they're waiting for you know hit you on the way in it's just that game is so it it's it feels like the big

28:27difference now if you can't do that if I can't do that and you can yeah what the am I going to do I have to fight Panic that was Ali in his his youth you know when Ali was young before they took away his title and he was uh kicked out of boxing for three years and then he came back he was much more flat-footed but the early days when you would watch Ali fight guys he would be able to move away from them and then slide back in and hit them and they really didn't have a solution to that and when you don't have a solution to that that means you're getting hit and you're not being able to hit the other guy yeah and and just think of that you know you can ready yourself for that you're prepared you know it's a challenge but you've been working on answers like I thought for sure Dwayne uh lewig with TJ they would have worked on like situational things and maybe they did it's like when

29:15he's here we're either going to option A or B we know these are some of his choices big broad Strokes answers and they worked sometimes I mean you we look back in that fight I thought Dominic won but TJ had the moments where he had the biggest shots or the cleanest shots there was only half a dozen of them in 25 minutes but at you saw that was the answer but it must be incredibly frustrating to be in there you're mentally prepared for it you got the answers and as the minutes are clicking away you're like oh it's true someone lied to me that feeling must be the worst when you're there you're like oh they lied to me what do you mean by they lied that there was this men Anthony Johnson so uh Phil Davis is like uh I'm a huge fan of Phil Davis I love Phil Davis um was fighting Anthony Johnson and he went for that first takedown and you go back and you look

30:02the look on his face when he fails that takedown is like this is not what I was told it was going to be and maybe somebody lied to me sounds like a funny way to say it right but this is not how it was supposed to go right this is not he holy uh Anthony Johnson someone said he I was going to be able to take him down I can't and that look on his face like that changes everything the whole fight now from this moment that this big dude stopped my takedown shook it off and kind of looked at me now the whole fight is nothing like I had laid it out yeah yeah I think um if Dominic the I think when you watch the TJ fight like the big moments that TJ had I think what Dwayne was trying trying to get him to do more was not load up and that he was really trying to knock Dominic out I mean that's really what he wanted to do I think maybe if he just concentrated more on the leg kicks I mean he had that

30:53one leg where it turned out that Dominic had had like a serious injury with his foot like planner fasciitis that had torn yeah have you what is it like oh God so I actually had it after a fight my last fight was my best performance ever and uh and it went great and that fight training going up to it the guy uh was a very good Striker compared to me and uh he thought I was going to take him down that he assumed we knew that he knew that was what I was going to do only that wasn't what I was going to do I was going to put him against the cage and hold him there and beat him up there until he got tired and I could find a way but we were not planning to take him down we're planning to put him against the cage but all that leverage like all that driving off the foot against the cage it it hurt my foot and then we went my wife and I went on vacation right after and we walked non-stop the first

31:46day that we were there just non-stop and the next day the fasciitis happened and it feels literally like like you can't even put weight on your foot like it's so inflamed and you don't know what it is like did you damage it is it just hurt and it hurt for months and months and months and months after and just yoga actually helped it really yeah strengthening the foot and the ankle yeah yoga is one of the things that um one of the things that I found when I started getting in was how much my feet hurt yeah yeah because I was like my feet are weak I guess yeah yeah cuz you're you're big and your feet and ankles are designed to do the stuff that you do to them yeah and now you're asking them to do all this other stuff I was surprised cuz I felt like I do so much Barefoot I lift weights Barefoot I I kick the bag everything's Barefoot I was like this is not going to be hard to

32:30just stand on my feet and hold poses but it's pretty hard for like the first couple months I I would have like some serious foot pain in certain positions and then now they're Stronger Yeah now it's much better but still that's probably my weakest part is uh my balance like balancing my foot there I saw when you had Carlos and his movement guy on here and that was one of the things they talked about it's one of the things Ido portal talks about too is that the one of the biggest weaknesses in our whole chain for most of us is our feet and our ankles that's Nick kon's number one thing when I said what's the number one thing that you like to work on with Fighters is like foot strength it's like the number one thing that guys have that they need to they need to improve well mine just fully inflamed for a long time after that fight and just mistreatment and they were already

33:15weak what you do for that I literally I was in Mexico and I would have to like sit against lean on my wife to get to the bar to drink some tequila so that it would hurt a little less so I could get to the pool where it didn't hurt as much cuz you had water boying you so were you like taking painkillers or anti-inflammatories no painkillers since the last no opiates but like Advil or anything yeah Advil I literally couldn't walk for three days like I I'm not joking I would lean on her to get to the bar to have some tequila so that we so what it it is the the fascia at the on the bottom of the foot that separates is that what yeah separates or in Flames uh and yeah yeah we got it the plar fascia yeah and I guess it affects people in different ways like if it's if it's over you know if it shortens it gets hard and it shortens that hurts your foot in other ways it's just a weird kind of

34:08spot we're walking on that all day all the time climbing and fighting and running and whatever things we do and that thing right there is on the bottom I mean you got to figure that's going to take some abuse in your life they also say a big issue is shoes the way the the padding that we have on shoes the extra like the runner's padding and that you're really supposed to have like the most minimal amount of protection from the environment as possible just a thin minimalist type of a shoe that that allows us to use our feet the thing we got it's just a big lump on it you know so you don't get to use it uh but when when you trained Taekwondo growing up like martial arts for kid like kids and teenagers and stuff man it's just going to make everything better you know well definitely flexibility I'm still really flexible at 48 and it's I mean it's because I never stopped doing it but

34:53it's also because I started doing it before my body grew up right yeah you know but the what they're saying now is that like Navy Seals um that are learning they're going through training and everything with those toe shoes yeah they're trying to stop them from wearing those toe shoes cuz so of the guys their feet are not strong enough to run and do all these exercises and those things because they're used to wearing like your basic running shoe with a thick heel and if you ever um people are listening to this uh I think there's a TED talk about it where they went over how someone had created one of those running shoes with the thick heel area and what it had done is really essentially changed the way people run it changed their gate and it made people run heel first which is totally unnatural you're supposed to run like ball the foot first and your foot's

35:40supposed to absorb the energy and when you do that you know your foot acts as sort of like a spring and it slows you down it decelerates you and that's how you're supposed to run you push off that and you run with that if you do that you're your foot will be very strong and you could run long distances and your foot will stay healthy but if you're used to using those running shoes with the big heel you go heel down first you don't have that strength in your foot and you can get really injured if you try to do the same amount of miles and the same intense workout with like a toeoe or something like that cuz your feet are just not designed for it yet or you know condition for it rather the funny thing like when you know they're telling them not to use these shoes because their feet aren't strong enough but if they use the shoes their feet will become strong enough you know

36:23but they want them to go through some pretty grueling rigorous soul in you know workouts um and we talked about I was hurt I did yoga it fixed it you did yoga it hurt now it's better like you have to go through a certain amount of hurt you have to go through a certain amount of you know challenge to repair it you know but it's it strikes me so strange when you think about some things that we that humans do something as small or big as going well we're going to wear these shoes changes everything not only how we are our future the way like these little things that we do as as people you don't you never you're never able to project the good and the bad outcomes of them in the future you just have to deal with them when they have them yeah I'm I'm a big fan U when it comes to like minimalist Footwear I'm a big fan of wearing like real I work out with uh either Barefoot or these I

37:14have these new balances they're just like a slipper I have ex they're black but they're like this little thin thing well I wear the to shoes but God damn people give you a hard time with yeah me too so brutal I have those New Balance ones I do still do a lot of powerlifting I love powerlifting I just love it yeah I I I try to do yoga and martial arts and and offset but I love heavy lifting and deadlifts you can't use padding you you're going to lose Force you know you have to use some typ I use uh Nikes usually or I'll use the New Balance ones but not Nikes rather Converse Allstar like these things the Chucks these are my favorite cuz they're just flat they're flat and there very thin and you can kind of Fe they they're real flexible you know like like you you if you climb something with these things they like Bend and give it's not like a rigid thing you know uh have you ever

38:05done a powerlifting meat yeah it's super fun man what do you do like you go and yeah you go and compete you compete in powerlifting I won my uh I won the Nationals at my age and weight I I trained this place how much do you what do you lift in how much you LIF in uh I I would weigh about 155 and I'll deadlift maybe like 360 j j that's a lot of weight and then my bench is Maybe 230 240 which doesn't sound like a lot of weight to people who go to the gym and just throw it around but a for 155 that's a lot of weight but a powerlifting um like a a regulation uh bench press you bring it down it's got to stop all movement and you wait for the command to push so it's it's how long do you wait till all movement has stopped might be 1 second could be two could be three they say go they say press so you can't bounce it off your chest stop all movement and press from

38:54that spot but I I train in this place I love it I just I love it um and uh in Toronto my wife comes now too and uh I brought her at first because she always wanted me to cancel because I was in the morning she's like why don't we just go get for breakfast or oh why do you have to go to the gym tomorrow so then I just started one of those yeah well not she's cool man like she's a temptress she's super cool but I was just like she's you know she's always like oh just skip one so I started got her going now she loves it too but tons of women powerlift now and yeah yeah and it's it shouldn't be the only thing that you do because weightlifting you you mentioned you lifted weights all your life and all of a sudden you did yoga and it added so much but if you're lifting weights and doing movement and doing yoga and doing flexibility stuff but that's hard to do

39:42that goes right back to what we said you got to work out you got to eat good and you got to sleep or else you won't have a good life well how do I have most people don't have the time to do all the different things you would need to do that's why one of the most frustrating things about people that get into Jiu-Jitsu is they just do jiu-jitsu and I'm always like man you really should lift some weights especially if you're getting older like it's one of the most important things to preserve the joints like keeping muscle tissue strong and healthy and making sure that you've got good muscle density that protect those joints because you know you're engaging in a form of combat on a regular basis and you're doing no strengthening other than that combat so we uh people when you go to the gym you see the way Tha guys and they're standing around they're moving and stuff the jiu-jitsu guys are

40:27sitting around chatting right so that mood makes you feel like it's not combat and then you do Jiu-Jitsu and it's fighting you know as it's physically fighting your joints are fighting and I think the mood of it makes it feel like ah you know it's a bit of a Stoner sport in some ways guys just chill out and they're wearing the pajamas hanging out but it's fighting yeah if you're getting caught in things you know just trying to fight out of them or trying to not tap you put tremendous amount of pressure on your joints tremendous amount of pressure on your neck on your back the always a lot of pressure on your back to try to get out of situations you're contorting yourself often you know and you really need to be strong in those areas and flexible flexible is a big one it's very important I took uh first time I met Eddie I took his seminar and Eddie's got

41:14a room full of people and I think he I maybe had heard him say this before in a video or something and people are stretching and he says so you got to you got to work on that and somebody said well this is as flexible as I am and he's like that is very North American line of thinking no other place where people go this is as flexible as I am they'd say this is as flexible as I am right now if I work at it I will become more flexible like everything in life but for some reason we have these limiting beliefs you know it's like if do you know how to play piano no no but you could learn how to play piano if it was important to you yeah and then my fingers work yeah and in six weeks you'd be a better piano player than you are today and in three years you'd be a way better piano player that's true of every single thing in life and and one of the reasons you know I learn stuff from from

42:02studying Fighters like I learned stuff about life lots of stuff but one of those big ones is that growth mindset the idea that if we put in time on anything it'll get better and the work itself is the point that thing for some if if a kid has that their whole life is better if any and we can have it at 40 or 50 or 60 the idea that whatever I am is not what I am it's what I am today but I can improve those things I love that that's a great attitude that's a great way to say it whatever I am is what I am today yeah it's like I mean PE I talk about this guy I like this little thing this thing's pretty cool little yeah uh I talk about that guy a lot um and people we were talking about people hating sometime people that they see on TV some people hate this guy of course they hate Conor he talks a lot of he's super successful yeah for sure exactly exactly that's you put it

42:56perfectly um but the thing that guy has is that insane growth mindset like it's to him anything is possible I believe anything is possible but if you win 155 belt okay you go fight for fight Robbie okay if you won that what are you gonna fight rockold and then you know Jon Jones there are limits you know what I mean there are limits but he actually believes there are none and that belief he's better at everything than he was yesterday you wait till rockold kicks him you realize there there's a difference there's that's what I'm saying there's got to be a point but that belief that there is no point that belief that there is no limit whatsoever is incredibly powerful when it's put together with a drive of a work ethic with an insane work ethic that is a powerful thing well it's interesting too because with Fighters when they're in Camp most of the time you're preparing

43:53for a specific opponent you're not really picking up new skills the way they really pick up skills is by training and Taking Chances and going outside their comfort zone which is really not something you want to do while you're conditioning yourself for a fight so when a lot of times when guys are going back to back to back and they're fighting a lot they're not really improving much what they're doing is just they're improving their ability to compete because they're getting more comfortable because they're competing a lot they're getting relaxed they're in great shape and uh they're getting used to the feeling of being in competition but man there's there's not a lot of time to take some time to just go over new stuff to learn new things to add new weapons well when I talked to him and his coach kavanau who I only spoke too briefly I actually tried to contact him

44:37to ask him if I could pick his mind a bit before doing this breakdown I took it as a big compliment that he's like no no I'll maybe chat with you after like that if he gave me something I might pass it on I took it as a compliment um and I I do a podcast uh the mentality of Combat Sports and I do it with my very good friend David Mullins is it on iTunes uh no it is or will be we're not super on top of that how long have you been doing it uh we've been doing it for a year what the on iTunes it's on it's on YouTube it's a okay it's on YouTube it's on YouTube yeah but well it either has been on iTunes for a few months or it's in the process we got a guy who does that um uh but uh so and I've been doing with him and he is part of the SBG team he's the the uh straight blast Jam the uh combat the sports psychology coach of the team oh and when I ask him about very good friends um but

45:28when I ask him about Connor he says Connor is his own coach but I know at the same time when you work with the coach is his own mental coach he's on his own journey and not that he doesn't want information from David but he wants it from 50 sources he's consuming consuming like uh philosophy and ideas of how to improve and ideas of what it is to be your authentic self Peak Performance all that kind of stuff not constantly consuming it but so my but my insight info that I get from David working with them he's like they don't train for really for an opponent ever really they the opponent is he's not a person he is a collection of skills and attributes and a body type and that's it and we are training to get better every day the the goal is to be better not to train and and why is that a good thing among the millions of reasons Jose Aldo's out Chad Mendes is

46:22in if you spend all that time trading for Jose Aldo and only Jose Aldo oh my God Chad Mendes is in questions doubts concerns what are we doing game plan instead he was like it doesn't matter who it is wow and they train to get better every single day in everything wow and that that's a great mindset if you can pull it off he's pulling it off I he is pulling it off right now I wonder how much of what he's doing what he's able to do is his own unique physical gifts MH um the the fact that he's been so success ful so far with this strategy and you know the also the people that he's training with he's got like fantastic training Partners great grappling with gunar Nelson great coaching I you know I wonder how what I wonder if that is the way to do it because I wonder is they going to come a time where he faces another guy like him like a guy that on that level and maybe

47:18it's hael dos anos maybe it is you know um I just sent the breakdown in uh and the Craig at the UFC uh said it's good to go so they'll release it when their digital department does stuff so it's coming out in the next your breakdowns are awesome man really really love them I love doing them this one 8 to 10 days but that's of work on it the ideas came over the last years like just but uh how long is the piece it's four minutes let's play it can we play it uh no we can't play it I know I know we can't uh it's I know I've already than you but thank you for making that happen oh please my pleasure my pleasure uh when you recommended my stuff to Dana I flew down to the office with him and Craig and Dana and I were literally standing up acting out stuff while we were talking it was really really really exciting and cool and it is cool to be doing that for the UFC oh it's awesome

48:16to have you man yeah I'm yeah well when you first started doing it we became friends and I would watch your stuff you know I just immediately was saying like why this guy should be doing this for the UFC like mean your stuff is awesome you you put so much thought into it there's so much an and you can get so much out of it as a fan as someone is like look this fight is goddamn epic this Conor McGregor hael dos angos fight is an epic super fight it's two champions in their prime one of them coming off of a stunning 13-second knockout to win the title the other one coming off of a brutal Beatdown of one of the most popular contenders I mean dos Angeles looks like a goddamn murderer and Connor looks like a freak he does he's like just these these two guys it's perfect it's the perfect fight so to get some technical insight and to get a view into what your thoughts are

49:04and footwork and movement and what dos sanos could possibly do to mitigate some of that footwork what's going to happen if Connor gets on his back the way Mendes got him on his back because dos anjos is a lot bigger a lot stronger and dangerous as with his submissions yeah Chad's never really submitted people that Guillotine but Conor used that threat to get up but Chad was Chad was two weeks in for that fight plus all the media obligations there's no way a guy who's got a wrestling heavy strategy like Chad does you're not going to be conditioned enough to go five rounds if with two weeks he had to knock him out and so he went in hard and early he pushed all his chips in Conor's got a chin that's made out of some the same that Wolverine's bones are made out of Adam oh my God I I've never seen anybody take a Chad Mendes punch to the face like that and uh it he's he was

49:55getting hit with the right hand quite he was getting hit with it I whether or not now I mean uh dos anos is a southpaw too so it changes things and he has he knocked out porier who was a southpaw and I think brandow is a southpaw too so he has dealt with him but on the other hand dos anos took out Ben Henderson a southpaw uh Pettis switches uh Jason high was a southpaw like he's faced plenty of them Beast yeah it's interesting but uh uh breaking that stuff down when I looked at it so my real goal is to make to try to influence the way people watch fighting and to make them see it the way that I see it that's the actual goal the goal is that I see this crazy unbelievable stuff happening underneath some of the surface and I want to entertain people long enough that I can trick them into learning some of it and that's that's the plan and trick them into learning

50:47that's funny you just want to entertain them make sure they're having a good time and at the end of it they are walking around going yeah and by the way that kick works this way and they do and cuz if you go and you just stand there and you like have a diagram and you know I think that was there was always outside of like people were learning fighting from your commentary and then there wouldn't be another show so then they'd have to come back and they'd learn during the fights which is great I mean that was you're you did more to educate people about fighting than any person ever probably I mean I can't think off the top of my head anybody who has uh contributed more knowledge of fighting and it was done you're entertaining you're having fun it's they love your voice so that was the learning but then there's not another fight now for a few weeks we should learn some

51:31in the meantime and we should get you prepared so you don't have to teach them everything about this fight in the fight while calling the fight and making sure it's entertaining we got to get you prepped with some knowledge well there's never been a time like this before where you could get so many different breakdowns like the Gracie breakdowns of submissions that uh hen and hon do uh Lawrence Kenshin stuff Jack slack stuff there's so much good stuff who was the guy that Kenny was played uh yeah I forget his name off the top of my head yeah that was a weird situation uh did you talk about that did you talk about that much cuz you were a guy who when that happened in comedy do you were not having that no not really uh but it wasn't good you know what Kenny's take on it is that Kenny uh he writes a lot of notes and he's been writing notes for years and years and that's uh that's

52:18what happened he just failed to a tribute which you know may may be the case I don't know it's but I I like the fact that uh we found found out though Lee Wy that's right yeah he does Great Stuff there's a lot of really good pep video that was excellent yeah it was very good uh there's a lot and when I was started to do analysis there wasn't a lot and I was hoping now just like when you started doing a podcast you have you had hundreds of people say oh I started a podcast yeah and just like I get guys emailing me hey I'm doing analysis and I think and I wasn't the guy who started it I can't take any credit for that um but when people did it excitedly people were like oh fighting is way more interesting than just I mean the the real thing that kind of would bother me is there wasn't you know a fight would happened this awesome stuff would happen crazy things that had

53:09you know changed the way that you understood how people moved and what happened when trained athletes fought each other and it meant something to the next time that you'd fight the way they move all that stuff and people would be like all righty got it done at 2 minutes of the fifth uh 2 minutes of the third round what's next for this guy which is that's a great conversation or what does this mean for the title rankings or you know who you going to call out it was in instantly looking ahead fighting immediately was like well what's the next fight and how's it going to go down no amount of like what does it mean what happened I mean we're taking human beings at the highest level of training and in a global experiment to figure out what is the ultimate way that human beings can do combat and we're putting them there at personal risk to themselves for our entertainment and

53:56brilliant happens we can't just move on we can't just go oh well you know Johnny won or GSP won or whatever well what's his next fight we got to we got to honor that fight we got to honor the fact that these guys are giving that stuff well I think we both agree that the fighters of today are the greatest fighters ever and the audience is far more knowledgeable today than they've ever been before so when we're watching all these breakdowns and all these different technique videos like you you have so much more access to Mixed Martial knowledge it's it's an incredible like you ever follow any of those uh BJJ uh video um uh ones on Instagram like viral BJJ holy man some of those moves like I've never seen those I've been doing Jiu-Jitsu for 22 years I never seen some of those moves it's incredible some some of these guys have like some sick transitions man amazing stuff

54:49yeah Jiu-Jitsu is a whole other fascinating world of its own right now but uh yeah I just love now that it's like it isn't just the outcome or the storyline around it or the talking people are interested in the fight like the thing that's happening when these Geniuses are actually moving that just makes me I'm glad that's happening I'm so glad that's happening you know and because that happens in other sports too eventually at first just got to see home runs man we're just going to sit around until the home runs happen or like what if in football people who love football didn't understand they were just bored out of their tree booing when they ran the football one yard mhm and they only cheered when it was like a long bomb you know that's what happened to some degree in fighting guys would be against the fence or guys would be grappling and people would be like ah when is the the

55:36fighting going to happen we still see that yeah we do we still see that I mean especially when we go to like different markets outside of Vegas and the audience is not that educated they start booing when it goes to the ground yeah crazy crazy it sucks um I commentated uh Taekwondo for the PanAm games really yeah and I I commentated uh like eight maybe more like 10 or 12 traditional martial arts in Russia for the world combat games wow and it's super cool and I'm dis seeing that Brazilian jiu-jitsu is moving the way that those Sports moved in a lot of ways like in Taekwondo was awesome commentating that and the Mexican team won almost all the medals really yeah because you can punch as we all know but we don't do it because our coaches and and the way that we've taught and the way we've celebrated the spinning and beautiful techniques that's what we're doing the that space in

56:33between you and me being able to kick each other from here the Mexican team entered that space took it away and punched you in the body and they won they were throwing like body punches body punches W almost style Body and but it's like the sport itself kind of agrees to do Taekwondo and that happens in every sport and in Jiu-Jitsu now I love Jiu-Jitsu but sport Jiu-Jitsu isn't really fighting anymore all this Baron bolo and all these interesting stuff they're beautiful it's fascina it's an amazing sport but if we are in an environment where we are going to sort of unconsciously agree that these are the structures and rules we have the sport changes as soon as you remove punching like a lot of these things certain defenses to things is punch so once we remove that you get this beautiful cool sport but it moves further away from fighting the same way every other martial art did well it it

57:25can but it ALS o doesn't have to like one of one of the things I really love about what John Doner is doing with Eddie cumins and Gary tonin and these these assassins that he's got out of henzo in New York is they're figuring out a way to use these leg lock transitions in a way that it's not dangerous to do like you'd always the the TR traditional thought was when a guy goes for a leg and if you do it improperly it is the truth you're committing two arms to the leg and you're not going to be able to defend against punches we saw that with Frank Mir versus Ian the machine Freeman remember that fight Frank was going for that heel hook and Ian just kept punching him in the face and you know and he stopped him while he wasn't tapping he just slam anyone in the face when you Alan Belair when he was fighting what's his name haris Paul Harris yeah you don't see that anymore

58:11um with the the highest level Jiu-Jitsu guys they put they're putting themselves in a position first of all when a guy like Gary tonin or Eddie cuming grabs a hold of your leg you have fractions of a second before your knee explodes and so you the the the the transitions and the technique is so tight you don't have that space to swing wild punches they're not giving it to you they are putting you in a very very dangerous spot immediately and it's the technique and the thought process behind it and whether it's perfected by donaher a bunch of other people I know Dean liser was initially a part of that as well he taught those guys a lot and he was one of the early leg lock Masters but these guys are they're doing it in a way where these techniques that I might have agreed with you just a few years ago really aren't for MMA like the 55th apply M theol thing about theol thing about

59:03fighting like cool about fighting you know um but a another in a long list of cool things is uh it's how it the money that exists like when we talk about why the UFC is a great thing I I think the UFC is an awesome thing it when you monetize something more study and things happen to it soon as as soon as you say you can become wealthy if you get good at this gyms and businesses and things can pop up around it it speeds the evolution of how things happen and uh because MMA exists as a way to get paid for doing fighting it guys like donaher will Arc back with their study of of the martial art back to where they get paid which is fighting which is the UFC well it's interesting because you need a guy like ad donaher you need one of those genius guys to just just try to figure out what's the best way to approach this where are the problems well the problems keep happening

60:02happening when you're going into the the transition and the guy grabs his leg okay how do we stop that well let's look at it backwards let's let's attack it from this side now we're going to attack it this way like so many times when uh guys would go for an arm from side control you'd be ins side control or you'd be in the mount you would grab an arm You' swing over and you would go and you'd commit to that arm and then the legs would fly over for the defense Eddie Bravo was one of the first guys to say well let's not let's not hook it with the right arm say if you're going for someone's right arm and you trying to armar them don't hook it with your right arm hook it with the left and grab their leg with your other arm and then commit to it that way because this way you've stopped the defense and you've got a much more secure set of uh offense and the way one

60:47of the reasons why people were going for it in the first place was because of the ghee now the ghee is a really interesting thing because I think the ghee is very good defensively and I think defensively it's one of the best tools to make sure that you're using proper technique because you can't just explode out of things you have to use the the right position you have to understand where you're where you're in danger where you're not in danger however when it comes to attacking the ghee gives you so many more handles and so many more options and I think it's false security and I think you're way better off not using it to attack yeah know yeah I mean that's a whole other part of the sport too it's like you roll with these ghee guys and they're like sneaking this thing and you're like oh what is he doing and now never mind the fact that that's going to work just

61:31introducing that threat and you're like oh wait what's happening there now my brain isn't mindful where it's supposed to be it's worried about this which might be nothing he's just pulling a piece of a ghee it's it is fascinating any kind of combat any way that you put two people trying to best each other it's going to be absolutely fasc the gek guys are doing some weird man where they're like taking their jacket off and wrapping around your head strangling you with it makes sense though if we're really going to use this thing if but fighting too it's like even how Jiu-Jitsu is used in fighting changes so much in such interesting ways in ways that we've now seen happen over and over so many times that you can predict their future again like you know um the the one example that I always kind of used is you know I'm in your guard so I do a can opener and then your guard opens

62:20right and then you discover hey wait a second I'll armar that and you armar me so I'm in your guard a can opener opens your guard wait a second you armar me no more can openers that doesn't make any sense Dan of her later goes George we're going to can open Condit but her what I I don't do a good French accent but what about the armar we're going to can open him and shut down the armar we don't stop can opening because there's an armar there we just solve the problem and that kind of adjustment you see it now in the guard like it blows my mind that in gyms everywhere very smart coaches they're like the guard is dead we don't submit from the guard anymore we use the guard watch Brian Ortega yeah there's lots of good guys Ortega is a monster Jesus Christ but think think of the implications of that this is this is where I see the crazy aspect of it because we've seen this a million times

63:13so all right guys we're not going to submit from guard our our use when we are in Guard we're going to use it to get an underhook threaten one of these three things and Heist our hips back out and we're going to stand up we're going to work on our stand up more if we're here we're going to get back up okay Coach that's great so now for the next year and a half your job on top of me becomes hold me down stop my standup and hit me and my job becomes fight you to get back up that happens for three months 6 months two years that becomes the game you hold me down and beat me up and I try to get back to my feet your game on top hasn't even involved the real threat of submissions for two years cuz all your training partners are just standing yeah so you're getting weaker at dealing with submission threats cuz you never see them anymore your training Partners

64:02don't do them somewhere in Eddie's gym you got the Ben Saunders and guys they're working on it not only are they getting better at it you're getting worse at it as time goes on you're getting worse at it inevitably all of a sudden it's like the guard's back in play holy everybody's submitting guys off their back why he got better but you got worse the mindset of how to train that thing in the gym every day removed a very real a threat because your training Partners don't even throw it at you anymore and that thing changes you know yeah you see that also with wrestlers that don't wrestle much anymore because they're working on their striking and they kind of put the wrestling aside and they get out wrestled and you realize like that's something you got to stay on top of you got to keep sharpening it yeah yeah there's just so many different variables in MMA it's one of the reasons why it's

64:45such an amazing sport is there's so many different ways to go about it I mean you can just decide to Damian Maya it close the distance get guys to the ground use your Superior jiu-jitsu submit guys and you know look like a wizard or you can Wonderboy it where you're just standing up mean boy there's an interesting fight right there Damen Maya and Wonder Boy that is a very interesting fight if that ever happens you know uh for My Ram Dean and I as my partner you met him at your show uh we commentate a bunch of really old fights and it's really cool oh that's nice old pancreas we just did a couple of Condit old fights against uh I can't remember I I have a uh issue membering names I know it's cuz I got hit in the head a lot for real like or maybe it was like the drugs no four days of hero exactly exactly uh I literally was thinking of that on the way down

65:33here um but uh uh old old fights and you see how different it was like you can spot the things where like now a guy would not do that or he would do this they just didn't know and that's why I think it's crazy that fighting is so structured in how it's trained now it's like let's let's put it this way 2000 in 2030 does fighting look different than it does today oh yeah then why are we training it like it isn't changing like why if we know that it is Ever Changing why are we like digging in deep and saying we got it all figured out uh you got to train your Muay Tha you got to train this kind of wrestling got to because someone will come along that's what taxis did you know that's what hotels did they were like hotels this is the way to do it we're going to build bigger hotels better hotels we'll put pools in them you know we'll advertise them differently and somebody's like

66:23people don't want hotels it's Airbnb comes along ruins hotels that the the is it really ruining hotels it's damaging them at the very least yeah I mean people tons and tons of people just don't even consider it anymore when I was coming down to La for the weekend I was looking at how expensive hotels were I was thinking about it I don't really want to stay in someone's house I don't know yeah kind of weird although I have friends who do it all the time they love it cameras and in their house they catch it beating off I never thought of that but now that I now that that's in my head people have been caught some uh some woman was uh she was suing some man because he had set up like hidden cameras that were on in this house and man what's wrong with us you know we want to see somebody naked yeah well but the internet's full of naked there's naked everywhere it doesn't matter

67:11people want they want naughty you know they want they want to be able to do things they're not supposed to do you know I guess you know what I'm saying something something creepy about like spying on somebody o yeah it it is creepy you could just go to up porn and watch people all day long but they don't want to well as soon as you think about the fact that somebody's spying on you that feeling that you get proves that it's creepy oh yeah you know what I mean well it's the you know it's the technology it's it's never been available before where someone could remotely watch you in your own home like fairly easily used to be you know just 10 20 years ago if they wanted to do something like that they had to like set up some pretty elaborate equipment now these little tiny tiny cameras are so small little GoPro or something like that set it up somewhere can remotely

67:57access it they have a bunch of different kinds of cameras they can remotely access sure freaky each that's outside the point yeah but when you think about any kind of Technology you can use it for good you can use it to like Advance things you can use it to make things better you can use it for bad and I think there's a like a real perspective thing I think with the way that we look at things you know the way that people look at things it's like the perspective that you take is everything you know like if you look at something you're somebody says something to you you you give all this meaning to it and you assume you know what they mean and then you get mad you don't have to do that you can like just assign it no meaning at all and have whatever response you want that kind of perspective is you come across a camera and you go well wouldn't this be cool we

68:44can like film guys training and we can like come up with all these cool things I can do my job different or somebody's like naked people without their permission that's what we got to do you know well it's just ask yeah you're always going to have you know U we were talking about like fighting today versus fighting 30 years from now why don't we train like it's going to be 30 years from now I think one of the problems is we need to see it be successful like you need to see a guy like Wonderboy fight we you go oh okay we got to learn some sport karate we got to figure out how to do that Blitz we got to figure out how to slide back and throw those kicks the way they're doing it and I I still to this day think we haven't seen the level of traditional martial arts techniques that that exist in like a really good Taekwondo match or really good kyokushin match there are

69:30guys in these other sports yeah mean you seen some guys like uh MRI who's fighting in the UFC who's a national champion yeah he's bad with his kicks so you seeing him but you know he he's got to learn all that other stuff first he's got to get I mean he had to rather learn all that other stuff first get better at all these other techniques and you know perhaps there's there's going to be some guys that are even better or more powerful than him you know that that these traditional techniques I think are probably the most underused or the most underappreciated aspects of of MMA I mean when we saw Anderson front kick vtor in the face yeah and it was like the first time we'd ever seen that they're like this is crazy that the first kick ever that they teach you is now the new kick yeah uh I know you had boss on earlier and I didn't get to see it I love boss and he

70:21used to say straight up no Jabs Jabs in fighting are useless now that was a different era now he would say something different I'm sure but he was the people they were products of eras and then that other era well we can't front kick well why not well we we'll get taken down yeah well don't get taken down let's just like that can opener in the armar if you get taken down or whatever the issue was but say the issue is getting taken down if you get taken down off the front kick it doesn't mean don't front kick it means front kick and figure out how to stop the fact that you're going to get taken down well you see like the guys who are really good at that front kick it's such a danger like a Kyle no when he won that fight in Australia yeah those some I swear some of these guys Shane campo's fighting I think Sunday yeah and he's got a few finishes with their toe stabs and I think some of the

71:08ones I keep pointing at this Connor doll because it looks funny um the uh I think some of the ones he hit Mendes with were toe stabs just roll the toes back and drill him in and uh so you're saying like roll the toes back in down instead of pulling them back instead of pulling them back like with the ball of your foot like taekwondo come like a fist like roll them and then they stab it into the body yeah TI an Old Tie technique yeah if you Google Shane Campbell toe stab you'll probably see one that one of his fights right before he got in the UFC but lots I bet some of them are doing that now the ball of the foot we can penetrate pretty deep but when they commit to like literally drilling it in and it penetrates in and touches your organs thing that me that gets to me though is that I feel like I can kick through a door with the ball on my foot my toe I'm not going to be able

71:56to have that kind of impact so if you do that toe stab and you hit an elbow you're kind of Ville well I guess that's the risk of it like the the reason you can do that is you did it since you were a little kid over and over thousands and thousands of times and it is harder and it is safer and it is smarter but if you know that that spot is there I mean that all of these things have to be the next answers because with the next answer isn't just do what we're all doing only better I mean uh and it was kind kind of like um uh who was it uh uh Matt hughes's coach um he was uh from that yeah Milotic militi and Frank Shamrock and these guys were like okay well you were a wrestler and I was a striker and that's all these things I just got to get really pretty good at all those things that worked for a while but now that everybody knows every single choice that you're making

72:49in every single position it's we're just playing within these rules that we've kind of agreed on it's got to be some other we got it's got to be things that you don't train it's got to be things you haven't dealt with it's got to be things your training Partners don't show you that has to be the next answer it has to always be the next answer yeah I think movement is the big Focus right now right with Ido and uh with uh all these yeah Iran Lor um Nick kerson focuses a lot on movement a lot of Plyometrics and explosion drills and movement drills and I think they're realizing now that what what's the glue in between the technique is what what they're really concentrating on I think that was a big factor in the Johnny Hendrick Wonderboy Thompson fight was the movement the movement the and the the the fact that Hendrick is so much more stationary he just really wasn't able to close those

73:39distances or get out of the way and didn't have that kind of footwork and his game was just so dependent upon close-range fighting yeah he said uh you know I kind of hoped he would trade in the pocket with me more why the would he do that he shouldn't do that he should definitely not do that I feel like should have said I kind of hoped he would fall down yeah I I um I feel like I know why McGregor started doing that that movement training I could be wrong I'm going to hopefully get the chance to ask him but remember last time that I was here we talked about that flow State you know and you achieve that flow State the best guys are fighting that 100 100% right and they're that state of Freedom right and condet was one of the first guys I really spotted that kind of did that early before we we chatted about it last time and um so you're seeing that a

74:26lot when you're in a true Flow State you are free Innovative able to do things you weren't aware of fully present in the moment there's all of these things it's about sort of true freedom I think he believed that his body he was his mind and the thing his goals were Freer than his body was allowing him to be that if he was truly mentally free to fight that the the thing that was stopping him was his physical movement limit and I really believe that's why he went and pursued that kind of open movement cuz we're not going to become any Freer than in a Peak Performance state so we have to free up our body if we're going to go further with this well it makes sense if you look at what people well George St Pierre in a lot of ways was ahead of the curve with this because of his gymnastics approach but really the originator of this is is Hixon if you go back and watch Hixon when Hixon

75:19was into the move was gymnastic on natural he was into a lot of like crazy yoga things a lot of flexibility and balance things he was into that way way before anybody was um Bruce Lee was into building the body to do martial arts 2 in whatever ways you configure and you were just saying it half an hour ago I don't know how long it's been uh that uh you tell Jiu-Jitsu guys you got to get strong yeah you know you identified that Hixon identified that all that long ago he's like okay we figured out how we're going to move it now what do I what can I do with my body to enhance that or take that further Eddie with his flexibility Stu you know well Hixon was always the best out of all the Gracies he's he's widely regarded as the greatest Jiu-Jitsu artist ever so if you look at hicken in comparison to all the other ones like hoist when he was fighting what was so impressive about

76:07hoist was that he wasn't a specimen right and he was just a regular guy who was in shape obviously but had really good technique what Hixon is is that really good technique with a freak athletic body you know a guy who can stand on a balance beam and do a full split holding on to his heel I mean he's he's really really freakish in his ability to move his body and physical strength was a huge factor in his ability as well so if you look at Hickson in the old days in comparison to the other guys you're seeing a much more physically robust guy much stronger and because of that he was able to overcome like if you get two guys they both have equal technique but one guy is much stronger that guy's going to dominate yeah and that's just the way it is you know technique is hugely important it's probably the most important thing but once that's C physical strength is a huge attribute

76:58huge so then the physical strength becomes equal now so then then it becomes flexibility movement and when that's equal it's just our minds like who's going to win more creative more creative who's more in the zone who's more loose who can pull the trigger easier psychological training it's a a huge factor a lot of guys are getting into um hypnosis now you know I I got hypnotized um Vinnie shoran hypnotized me W yeah yeah here I wanted to see what it was like he came and did the podcast and he was uh he' been training he's trained a bunch of guys he's he works with Joe Schilling and a bunch of different uh kickboxers and Muay Thai guys and I just wanted to know what it was all about and what was it like it's legit man it's legit you know I was like okay what is what is hypnosis is a Bullit you try to fight it no no I I didn't want to do that I wanted to just

77:45I wanted him to hypnotize me see what it's like you definitely go into a state you definitely go into some strange State of Consciousness I wouldn't say you're asleep because uh I was I I heard him talking you know I remember I remember hearing Vinnie's voice but I was most certainly hypnotized wow I was definitely there wow you know and um it's like like you're going into like a almost like a drug induced it feels real weird that's what I felt like for four days I don't think it's that quite that bad but uh it's it's a very it's a very strange State it's it's it's it's very difficult to describe it and compare it to something else cuz I don't think I've ever experienced anything like it other than maybe a state that you get into sometimes when you're doing like a sensory deprivation tank or I guess you would do if you were doing like heavy meditation you get into some weird

78:37alternative State of Consciousness wow wild a lot of guys do um visualizing training but but with a with a I don't know if the a lot of the coaches wouldn't call themselves a hypnotist but they lead it so they lead you through it you got your eyes closed and David uh uh does it with some of theg guys and other people and he says you ABS as you're getting them to go through and visualize it you see them moving you see them sweating like you they are experiencing the fight in their mind they're visualizing everything and it's probably very similar and uh but you lead you through it and at the end they feel tired they feel mentally tired they feel they've they've done it and that that idea that you visualize I mean if we do something our brain is doing it right so if we don't physically do it but our brain does it you definitely get huge real true value from that well it's been

79:27proven it's been proven that people can improve as much through visualization as they can from actual physical movement is as long as you actually commit to it and you know don't be all weird and like half ass it and you know you have to think of it as if you're doing it and if you can think of it as if you're doing it your mind will take those same Pathways I know that guys have learned new Jiu-Jitsu techniques that way like you you visualize yourself pulling them off and then when you're training they just they just come they just come to you so wild that just shows you what your brain can do why it is the most important part I mean by the time we've learned how to do everything we're going to fight and you're walking down there and if you haven't prepared mentally everything else was a waste of time yeah if you can't go in there and be in an Optimum State free of the

80:12worrying about the consequences oh man I'm going to like how much what I need my win bonus or what if I lose this fight or and you can't have any of that you have to be like truly free to perform and guys will spend years training the physicality and the technical stuff and then not have a plan for that when Cruz said that um you know ring rust or octagon shock or whatever is oag rust yeah rust is not real I 100% believe that I 100% agree with him it's real if you think it's real right it's not real if it's not real to you and but the way it became not real to him is he prepared for it you know um this is the second time I'm in this room I'm more comfortable in it than I was last time um Jamie and you are way more comfortable than Brendan sha who's more comfortable than me do you know because it's the environment and uh BJ Penn used to go and train for a fight and he'd

81:05have a a u ref and a fake ring announcer and an audience and the walk out and he would create all of that before he fought so that you that stuff wasn't new because the first time you're standing in there Bruce Buffer is doing that crazy at you if you haven't prepared for that all the next you know you either wake up or you somehow won but you really don't remember anything like that you're looking at him it's like you that can't be the first time that you've looked at Bruce BFF it has to have been in your mind 30 times it's like right this is where I belong I'm supposed to be here I belong here I earned my way here right Bruce Buffer is introducing me because the whole world's going to see how good I am you can't be like oh when you see the UFC just joean over there it's like yeah you can't that can't be new that has to have happened dozens or hundreds of times in your mind when you

81:57go in there it's interesting because a lot of these guys their me mental preparation is just doing it and learning once you've done it instead of preparing for it and then once you're actually doing it you go this is what I've prepared for for sure uh and even just all the way along like there if there are we all should learn stuff that's why I say all the time sometimes I'll like use an example of something that I do or my friend does or whatever and I don't mean to put it back to myself I'm saying we should all try try to do this you look and you prepare for stuff and you you go back and it's the work it was the work that you did that's what matters you're not any you're just a guy but you're a guy who worked like crazy prepared like crazy made notes of the things that you did when you can go back and look at your journal or your notes and see everything you've done in

82:44the day or afternoon of that fight that stuff is fighting right that all of your work is fighting all you got to go in go in there and have fun the work's been done that's the state you have to be in and the reason I mentioned I have a stack of every breakdown I've ever done all the work every note and it's like this high and I bring that with me when I went to meet Dana and Craig I had that in my suitcase when I went down to meet them in Vegas because I look at that and it's like right I'm supposed to be here I'm I worked really hard on this stuff I'm supposed to be talking to these guys this is where I'm supposed to be if I don't have that you can be like what uh what what should I what do I you know you can't be questioning you have to look at all the work that you did and on that walk to the cage I had terrible performances and I had one or two good

83:26ones and the best one was the last one cuz I understood what state you were supposed to be in you couldn't be scared you couldn't be angry you couldn't be out to to get them you had to be free you love martial arts you love fighting this is what you wanted to do you don't have to be here you get to be here that's that's the state you have to be in when you do a breakdown say if you do a breakdown for Conor McGregor and hotf dos anos how do you begin what do you what do you do do you watch footage do you think about what you already know do you how do you how do you begin a break down so I got to know what my per the point is and the point is like I said to influence the way people watch fighting in a way that's positive so make them learn stuff and you hope it influences other people who influence stuff because you want people to take you want to inject these ideas into the world so

84:20that has to be where you start if you start from that point it's not to I gotta earn money or I gotta like get clicks nothing you I want people to see how amazing this is so you start from that point that point could be months in the in advance then there's things that you've been watching and studying and looking at in full immersion things like you know this movement stuff that we're talking about or or comparisons that you make of how people work against the cage and compare to another sport or all these ideas are all floating around hopefully you've got 50 of them and then the fight comes up and you see oh it's Conor McGregor and hael Doos that's got to start brewing I know I asked Craig they accepted mine today so the next one is is Jones and Cormier I'm on that already what's going on in that fight okay what what do I look back at their other fight do I look at at how

85:13they do what what is happening what happened what's going to happen how's it going to happen and where's the cool in it so that starts immediately and then you go you might have a couple of ideas you might have some oh well you know Range man like there's there's this four ranges kind of thing I've been playing around with and I did it in the Ronda one but they didn't release it as the that that version so I that sure applies to Jon Jones so it'll start I'll start thinking about it in terms of four different ranges and how he managed so they edit your versions no I sent in multi I sent in multiple versions for that one only because they were like they didn't know what I did or how I did it or how I work with them or whatever actually it's been super cool like I send it in they're like wow it's great and put it out but the first one Dana was like well can you give me like

85:59four-minute version a five minute version a one minute like I just want to for him to wrap his head around it so the first one that I sent in was many different ones and then since then and and they've been super cool they're just like hey I think this guy's good at this yeah go do that thing you do which is exactly what you hope right oh yeah that's what you want man so but that one now you sent the multiple and it was mostly just so they could get a wrap their head around it also you're I mean you're working in a company they got to figure out who is this guy you know he talks fast he seems enthusiastic is he smart is he easy to work with how does he take Direction you know so you got to figure all that stuff out but I think they figured out pretty quick he's like oh yeah he just likes doing this stuff and he does a good job and well you're very very committed to it and if

86:43you were smart and you were running a business and obviously the UFC is very smart they look at a guy like you they go just tell him to do it he's he's going to do it he's going to do it right you're going to do it right yeah that's been give you much Direction yeah that's that's how it's been um and uh but in that one so yeah so I'll look at it and now I've got like that fight is not for eight weeks so I'll still do other breakdowns at fight Network in the meantime I with you know that's there's a family I I do 40 hours a week of TV there and I build these around do you really you do 40 hours a week not of hours not of hours of TV but I'm in there 5 days a week we're a 24-hour fight channel so there's is that all America uh it's on like Xbox and like all those other things those what like Roku and all of that kind of stuff and then it's in the tri-state area and it's

87:35in Texas like it's in it has it doesn't have National Carriage but it's got pockets of carriage seemed like a no-brainer it was a channel that just had fights on all the time like people would just go like how many times you been flipping through the channel bored looking for something and you go well I'll always go find something on the fight Channel yeah and uh I mean in Canada the timing was pretty good cuz George was a big star right now and Ireland fighting is the thing Conor's over there and Canada was like that and that allowed us to kind of get entrenched in there but when all day every day is fighting literally it's like there are times hey Robin and John and John go and talk about you know this news so I'll do on a Monday we'll do five rounds which is an analysis show we'll do two or more chats of what's going on in the news I'll do five rounds

88:19today which is a a podcast version but it's for television and then on Tuesday Tu day will do similar stuff and then call two hours of Old Vintage pancre and then the next day call two hours of of deep out of Japan so all day all the time so for me this is a amazing thing right because this is my life's work it's my job and passion and Obsession and uh that's I get to do it all day but I do that and I'm now making these breakdown so they have to happen around that but all day long you got to be ready if something hits you you pick up on something or there's a sea change or there's some kind of little movement going on in something well I got a breakdown in 6 weeks maybe I can explore that for that then you get excited you know the Connor one I was I'm very interested in this guy I and I look at these guys you know Chris weidman's work ethic that taught me how

89:13to work really hard you know I I always kind of worked hard but you look at this guy okay that's how that's how winners work and then uh McGregor's growth mentality it's like okay that's how I'm going to get better and better and better and he's innovating I got to innovate if I innovate you want other people to spread the idea I want people to rip my stuff off because then they'll rip off what I did a year ago and then a year from now I'll do new stuff like you want it all to influence how people see fighting because I think fighting is the coolest thing and if they see it through my eyes they'll think that too you know but you want you know so you you cop you learn about innovating from him you look at what ronda's going through and you learn how do how do people deal deal with that how would I deal with that and it just get I'm super attached to all of

89:58these people and these things and these experiences and I kind of get to live them out and learn from them you know when you look at Connor and hael do sanjos how are you how do you think that is going down there's obviously a bunch of different ways they can interact with each other once the cage door shuts and the fight begins how do you how do you perceive it well I I go through fighting gets more and more and more complicated and then you go through these periods where it gets really really simple and then it gets more and more complicated and that's kind of the process of my learning and right now I'm looking at it kind of Simply obviously Connor wants to get Connor has a left hand that knocks people out so almost everything he kind of built was to put himself into situations to hit guys with his left hand and knock them unconscious so that's our job we need to knock you

90:48unconscious with this so what are some of the problems that could prevent that from happening well you can get a hold of me you can push me up against the cage you can do all these things and what are the ways that I could increase the likelihood of doing that well I can with you that seems to help works for everybody who's good at it but ultimately if doas puts him on his back he's in real trouble he's in real trouble I agree um this is not kind of a pretty good Jiu-Jitsu Guy this is not kind of this a vicious violent guy who will happily stay in your guard till he caves your face in till you overreact and then he'll start passing then he'll start abusing you're in trouble so but at the same time we can't look at it and go I must stay off the ground at all costs because that infringes on Connor's being Connor so he has to play the game that Stephen Thompson played that has to be that's

91:38the game most of these guys are looking to try to do right now the thing about dos sanos though he's very fast he's very good at closing the distance you know I was really shocked in the Pettis fight how quickly he pulled the trigger and how he leaves no space he leaves no space for you to analyze his movement and prepare to counter he's on you before you could get that Breathing Room the Pettis one is definitely oh this was one of the ways I was going to break it down so when you're looking at it there starts to be multiple different ways because no thing is one thing there's 50 things one of them was Doos might be looking at this as this is similar to the Pettis fight and so what what would you do different if you were Connor if your goal if your job was to beat this guy Pettis didn't move matter really very much because he's also really good at and him and Duke and lots of people

92:29have been working on as you back up delivering with power right so back up a lot of it has to do with the stomp of the back foot bam you know and so they were working on that this guy is a pressure fighter as he moves forward we're going to rip him we're gonna hurt him we're GNA drop him we're going to discourage him just never never got it off somewhere now my orbital bone is broken my idea of lulling you in and hurting you bad isn't working the the the adjustment is we got to start moving laterally never broke his orbital in that yeah the first round that first punch that hard left hand yeah wow yep now the one so then we're looking at it where Connor and his people and they're taking a positive approach to it what can we exploit one thing dos anos does all really the only thing that he if you're looking at it and going what what one thing jumps out as less than perfect

93:19for this killer champion and that he he really telegraphs his punches he telegraphs him a lot you see it right you see and when I break things down I'll watch fights in slow motion sometimes dozens of times and now all that's all I see did you see the video that somebody put together it's like an animated gift file of uh Aldo chasing after Connor Connor Landing the left hand and then the same exact Movement by dos anjos chasing after Pettis but or chasing after Donald rather but Donald Donald doesn't land the punch like you see very ilar movement he sees that's what he says he sees now when I look at him I I I he does and I I'm a I actually hate to criticize in any way I don't feel comfortable with I don't feel qualified to criticize and I that's just a personal thing I don't think other people shouldn't I just I'm looking at 90 to 90 to 99th percentile Fighters and

94:17I'm some guy who won a couple of fights and was terrible in fights and and I'm you know I just I don't feel qualified to to always criticize because I don't know how to I don't even know if it's necessary I feel like the way I look at fights the way I try to look at fights is I look at them like we're looking at mathematics I'm looking at like there's an equation going on and one there's values and there's numbers in in one side and there's values and numbers in the other side what's fascinating to me about this fight is there's there's equations where you have to factor in many things you have to factor in power you have to factor in technique you have to factor in the ability to execute and you also factor in Persona and personality and just Charisma and that's one of the things that Connor brings to the table that's hard to it's it's hard to monetize or

95:10not monetize it's hard to quantify it's hard to measure how much he with Aldo's head before Aldo just chased after him and get lit up like that I mean what what was it that caused that was it there's a there's many possible factors but all these movements and interactions that they have I think you can almost look at them like a mathematical exchange like there's certain guys like Ed short fuse Herman great guy tough guy very good Fighter um you're never going to confuse him with Wonderboy Thompson nope when it comes to like his foot footwork and his movement if you looked at those two guys mathematically you looked at them as an equation you go well this side is very lopsided in its movement you know like if you have $100 in one hand and $10 in the other hand the $100 is worth more than $10 just it is yeah you're right um uh and all that prefacing it was coming

96:06uh be to say that now that I've watched through the eye that I'm thinking it's Connor's eye watching him and his eye watching Connor I see dos anos as being taken to the best level of what you can take guys who still are kind of sturdy still got that old uh version of strength different not sort of free and flowing just and you see his telegraphing that doesn't mean he can't you up like just because I would see that doesn't mean you can do anything about it or stop it or if he ends up on the ground he's like who's telegraphing now you know none of that may matter but that is what I definitely see now that when I'm picturing what is Connor seeing like you see boom move back boom like it's it's a much more sort of of labored and it's built around an old sturdy style of building a fighter and Condit and and McGregor and all these guys believe that the answer to that is not only Mobility

97:07where we move our feet but how we move through space you know condic comes on weird angles and different things and that's got to be what he's seeing whether that matters or not it it suddenly doesn't matter at all if he puts you on your back and caves your face in yeah and he's got he's got some very good movement himself though dos Angelos May Telegraph things a little bit but it's because he puts so much power into his shots what what's shocking about him though is his ability to close the distance it's very fast he's not you know that's one of the things that I've disagreed with with con what's what Connor said is that he's a slower like stuck in the mud version of Aldo like man I don't see that at all I see a a Savage yeah he is a Savage like as I watched it it's like you're looking for what you could think you could exploit and that's the thing it's like okay I think I can I

97:56think I can see the things coming now that may turn out to not be true and that's a bad time to figure that out ter you're getting ripped in the face but uh but at the same time it's also like the dude is just so aggressively violent um but whether it's McGregor is not at in my opinion yet or we haven't seen it at the Dominic Cruz level but let's say that you and I have a really great fighter and somebody says we'll give you guys a million dollars if you can have this guy beat Dominic Cruz in five years what do you do if we start figuring out trying to teach him the same movement as um Dominic Cruz the most we could hope for is him achieving Dominic Cruz five years earlier you know the five years of learning it Dominick Cruz has improved for five years we've got to figure out the answer to make it not about that that's the hard part that and that's what Connor and his people I think

98:48believe is it's will make it not about what he wants it to be about well don't you think with a guy like Dominick Cruz one of the reasons why Dominic has created that style is because he's not capable of putting a guy away with one shot he's not that kind of Conor McGregor one punch death touch kind of a guy he just doesn't have that so he's got to hit you with a volume and he's also very smart and very smart guys don't want to get hit so what do they do they you they incorporate a lot of footwork and Dominic's footwork is pretty spectacular I watched him we were all just hanging around backstage one day and he and Brian Stan and were talking just joking around and uh DC said uh show me some of that footwork Brian or show me show me some of that footwork um uh Dominic and he steps in with his Shuffle and then side step and I'm like whoa like when you see

99:37him just playing around when someone standing in front of him like uh Brian Stan was just standing there for him and he just like like the way he's moving it's like you have to calculate that you have to figure out like like you think he's coming this way but he's going that way and then he's coming this way again wow yeah this isn't this isn't like improvised like these are like very specific very uh his the the amount of efficiency involved in these movements are excellent it's wild um and it's that same thing we were saying you know you I don't do submissions from guard anymore so all my training partners are not dealing with that some guys quietly just building the out of that Dominic's been doing that for 10 years if you tried to figure that out now it's good luck 10 years well here's what I want to know but he did it in front of everybody they all saw him do it and they still

100:27let him do it and they didn't try to you know what I mean he did it right out in front of everybody's knows it's hard to figure out I mean you watched him do it even while he was doing it with TJ I was like calc there's so many movements that he's he's capable of doing there's so many different combinations of steps and exchanges and like you think he's stepping this way and he switches stances and he goes off to the left and he knows you're going to step in like is this a movement drill here look at this yeah good luck if you if you want to catch up to that he's been building that for 10 years in front of everybody and everybody sat around going well that's just Dominic yeah I mean he's different that's incredible Dominic would tell you he's not different he would say if you did this for 10 years you could do it too you know what I mean no wonder why

101:11he gets planner FAS right Jesus Christ yeah that's incredible I mean that's that's his solution for having you know he says he has hands he jokes around about it cuz he has small hands and he's broken them several times I mean he put away Mitaki in the first round but it's very rare that he puts guys away he just doesn't have the physical frame for it but because of that he's developed all this incredible movement it's one of the things I always tell people when you learn Jiu-Jitsu don't learn Jiu-Jitsu from a gorilla Lear learn it from an Eddie Bravo or you know a a small guy a you know a small physical like a guy who's not imposing those guys are the ones you really want to learn technique from them because they've had to develop that technique it has to be laser sharp because they don't have the ability to gorilla out of things you know when you when you learn

102:00a Jiu-Jitsu from really big people man it's rare that they're technical it's really rare cuz they they can make it work yes yeah you want a Barrett Yoshida right you want a little tiny guy that has just laser sharp technique an Eddie Bravo a hoer Gracie you know a small person who's just got razor the Mendes Brothers perfect example small guys with razor sharp technique and if you watch them roll against even bigger guys their technique is so sharp they they can get through whereas like if you find a big guy who's got gorilla Jiu-Jitsu and he fights a bigger gorilla he gets up that's just what you you said earlier when hoist went into UFC 1 because they knew it would be that much more amazing if the little dude did it sort of that's not really what happened though that's the standard that's the standard description of what happened what really happened was they

102:54couldn't control Hixon Hixon was the master of the family everybody knew he was the king yeah but you couldn't like if Hixon won he would be like I won $10 million and now I'm going to go surf you he would just do whatever the he wanted I mean Hixon truly marches to the beat of his own drum and no one could control him so his brother was not really interested in putting Hixon in that position the idea was put Hoy in if Hoy lost then you go into negotiations with Hixon and you get Hixon in there because hixon's going to everybody up it would have changed everything though if we would it would have been different yeah the way he did it would have been different like if you ever looked at some of the brutal beatdowns the gracian action beatdowns that Hixon did he's so goddamn strong he's not just unbelievably technical with his Jiu-Jitsu but also really physically really physically strong I

103:47think some of the audience a lot of them maybe wouldn't have gone oh my God Jiu-Jitsu is amazing they have gone holy this guy's a killer and and hoist being there it was hoist fighting tonight too by I know is that crazy what we're sitting here ho is going to fight in like three hours he's 50 in his 50s he's at least 50 right how old is I think Ken Ken and him are both 50 yeah just let them juice up yeah let them juice up yeah I mean they're probably gonna if they can get around it you know like they're 50 you know what I mean like they're 50 think about being 50 I know man I uh still have this little tiny hint in the back of my mind somewhere that I could fight one more time like it's just hidden back there but you were just talking about your head that your your memory is not so hot yeah uh the um I have a weird sort of perspective on that uh one that's why I

104:41think we have to celebrate these fights way more because these guys are getting hurt and they they're doing it for their Adventure or their reasons but they're still getting hurt but um I was in bise and with my wife and it was beautiful actually it's beautiful and um you meet there's a huge percentage of men over 40 that are blind and yeah they're blind yeah because they have their big one of their biggest crops is cashews and something about the the process of cashew farming makes you go blind in five years or 10 or 20 at some point yeah certain certain people who work in Cashew farming it's known that you will go blind holy man so when you're 20 cashews are not worth going blind over man and so when you're 20 and you say I'm going to be a cashew farmer you're doing it with the knowledge that you're going to be blind one day you full knowledge because you've known your

105:34grandfather you knew an uncle there's just a certain percentage of people and they do it because at the end they will provide for their family it's a good career you will uh take care of your kids and they do it knowing and people go and they work in Minds people do all kinds of things that harm themselves but you need to know that happen you need to be fully informed and make a a solid decision that this is what you want to do and a lot of 17-year-olds who go and and start boxing or whatever don't have all that information no you know no they don't but if you have it and you're like this is my passion this is all I want to do this is what I want to do with my life I was put on Earth to fight I know there'll be repercussions for this in my future and I'm choosing to do it go do it man it's a free Society you can eat as much sugar as you want and that'll

106:17kill you you know you can do it but I you want people to know the dangers I have no idea about cashew farming do you find anything on that Jamie please don't tell me that that's a myth I'm not I didn't see anything about blindness but there's like blood cashews are coming up and there's the way that they Farm them and get get them deshelled is pretty bad and it causes people intense pain because there's some sort of uh liquid that comes out of them when you pull the shell I don't know app it's a chemical that's used and I don't know I don't even know what a cashew shell looks like I don't know either but never seen a it was something that was mentioned more than a couple of times in in um W that's yeah how weird so I mean that chemical could be connected to pain blindness may be one of the effects but that was the story that I was told more than a few times uh down there about that they

107:04don't even look real look at that that looks like a like a avatar plant true you know doesn't look real looked like some sort of a weird crazy squash but if you decide you're going to go farm that stuff and you know what the outcome is and you do it anyways that's your you chose to do that for whatever your reasons are so you're not finding anything on cash who's causing blindness I was I go one more just try give it a give it a a shot yeah uh it just makes me sad that these people obviously don't have a whole lot of options it makes me not want to buy cash shoes but then again then they don't have any money so what the do you do yeah um yeah fighting is is also some people can get away with it boss routon who was here on Wednesday obviously former UFC heavyweight champion one of the greats one of the real pioneers of the game sharp as attack no problems mentally at

107:52all I mean boss was just he was end he's speaking a second language by the way you know he speaks Dutch so in English he's smooth as silk he's talking fast he's got all these great stories his memory Sharp As a Razor there's no uh no problems with him at all and then of course we all know guys that are Punchy and um I've known a lot of guys from the time when I was a teenager and now today I can't talk to them anymore wow because they're up guys from my old boxing gym they're up man they they real problems like they're very very compromised and I feel very fortunate that I'm not I'm I'm sure there's something going on I'm definitely I definitely got hit a lot so I'm sure there's something that didn't go well up in there probably made me more impulsive more angry or more AGG I don't know I mean I don't know what it is but overall I got out of it pretty unscathed but it's because I stopped

108:47fighting when I was 22 you I realized at that age I was like this is I'm already getting headache AK and this is there's no future in it back then there was no money in it back then there was no MMA it was just kickboxing and I was like man I'm not this is my you know I was way better at taekwondo than it was at kickboxing you know I was my kicks were my my biggest attribute and I was learning how to box more and in that learning I was getting the beat out of me I definitely the most abuse I took was boxing but I love boxing I love it and the I took a lot of it I I remember I got a con I got a couple concussions one for sure did I remember it's almost like life was different the moment after that concussion like my the way that I saw the world was different after I took that one punch it was just training how so I just I don't know my perspect my per perception or something and like in

109:38what way I had a headache and I threw up that night so it was I was in Lethbridge and you know Jordan me his dad Lee is a good friend and Lee and Jordan were out of town and I went to train and this guy Dan torture chambers who is a big powerful good 185 and uh you were sparring with a 185 I don't know what the I was thinking I so he fights at 185 yeah so he was in 200s 210 and I thought we were just going to light Spar but that's not what they do and I took a crazy straight uh oh yeah he was a southpaw and I took a crazy straight left or two from him and then immediately something was different and then I started slipping it and hitting with my left hook and I was happy there's moments in fighting where you know you find out you're just not I'm I'm not like Chris Weidman you know that's just the truth but then there's moments in a fight or in sparring where you're like very proud

110:32like when threatened with danger my answer was to hit it back as hard as I could so I got through the round or rounds and then I just I had a headache I couldn't think I I went and I ring announced that night I started throwing up in the back and I just my thought process was different I was single at the time and there really cute girl was asking me to go hang out with her and I just couldn't focus and I got better a month or two later but I feel like that day was different like that after that yeah I really feel like I saw things differently or I thought differently or it just it's a moment it's a very distinct moment like that time I almost didn't get off the couch from you know that that moment I was different after it wow no you didn't even get knocked out that's really crazy your bell rang but you kept sparring you're still mobile your legs were

111:24working now think but then after after that sparring the rest of the the I didn't really train anymore and then he gave me a ride back and the rest of the day even the ring announcing I think I was probably behaving very strangely during it and I don't remember that day super well other than telling that pretty girl that I couldn't hang out with her because my head hurt so much uh I remember the rest of the round though and I remember and I got a a concussion in the first couple shots of my first fight too and I fought till about the middle of the round and I knew I was different like you just know but it's cool in a weird way that you go and keep fighting because now I understand it when I commentate or when I'm analyzing it I've had that experience and that's why I fought was to have that that understanding but I know what it is to fight with a concussion or spar with a

112:11concussion and you see that guys do it they're hurt in round one and they'll fight all the way through sometimes win I wonder what if anything they're going to figure out in the future to mitigate some of the problems with he impacts you know whether it's going to be something with stem cells or some sort of a new method of rehabilitating and healing people it's so depressing to me to watch this incredible problem solving at its highest level event like MMA or like boxing or kickboxing or anything along those lines football but knowing that anytime like Goan saki lands a head kick on somebody that guy might not ever be the same again and that is a big Factor that I I really get upset when people downplay that like when you see someone get head kicked and knocked dead they might not ever be the same again that is a fact I know a guy back when I was a young kid who got kicked in the

113:08head and the doctor told him I don't want you to ever do Combat Sports again I don't want you to ever do contact Sports again I don't want you playing football I don't want you do you like stop you have to stop like you're you're you got killed and you survived you get real lucky and you see guys like that they get hit like that and then they're fighting 5 months later and they're fighting six months later and they they're not the same you could tell they're not the same they can't take a shot anymore yeah it's it is spooky it you don't know what the answer is uh because there isn't really one now other than you not you can't spar with big guys like that and do it because it's fun and it's fun to fight you should never and most guys aren't doing that as or many guys are not doing that as much but it's you know this is to me when you get the chance to have people who have

113:56trained their whole lives to help us have an experiment in combat right now in front of all of us that is such a beautiful and wonderful thing in humanity like PE we were fighting as a part of what we do fighting is a part of us getting here it may be a part of our future depending on where we are and what's happening and different aspects of it fighting is a part of us and to see it done at that level in this sort of almost Global experiment kind of way it's beautiful it's this wonderful incredibly artistic thing and but it's it has the downside and that's another reason it just sickens me when I see the way people respond to a Ronda or respond Conor's GNA lose one day and how they're going to respond to that guy you know Johnny Hendrick lost how are people responding to this because these guys are just doing incredible incredible things for the the furthering of what

114:46humanity is capable of well people love to attack people when they lose like the way Hendrick lost saw people attacking me online I'm like God damn it that guy just fought a wizard yeah you know he fought like a real striking Wizard and he learned something people like yeah you should have made weight against Woodley yeah cheater he was probably on Peds before all this hate nonsense and just terrible terrible I read about him online like God everyone deals with it I've actually taken the only time I ever take stabs and you know even talking about it I don't feel great about it but it's when guys miss weight and other fighters fighters are doing it coaches do it it's just a missing weight there was always uh penalties for it you're going to lose part of your purse and public you know finger pointing has always been a part of that penalty every other guy on that

115:38card has made weight and it's the worst part about their job and hopefully guys are getting I think we are getting away from weight cutting a little more as we're getting away from the bodybuilder wrestler weight it's a part of that uh prototyp type of fighter and that prototype of fighter is going to be keep getting beaten now that we have new answers to him and I think as that fighter changes that weight cutting is a part of that prototype well also usada and the IV ban that's a big issue soon as they started Banning the IVs you saw people's body weights lowering because they realized they couldn't make that big crazy 25lb cut in a couple days and rehabilitate enough or rehydrate enough rather to be able to fight 24 hours later you just can't do it you just you have to drop your body weight down you have to and guys were using diuretics before you saw it too there were

116:27diuretics we all hear who apparently is doing it but I talk about fighting all day on TV I can't address that because just cuz some three coaches and two fighters are like everybody knows that gu's doing it never failed to test there's no there's no evidence it's just you you can't really talk about it you can make observations around it but the truth is that in that era man if you were fighting joshh Barnett in Japan like you don't know what somebody else might be on you don't know what vanderlay might be on you got to go over there you you do what you thought you had to do you know if you were fighting in Pride after a few years first call you got to make is to a doctor because you may not want to do it it may be harmful for your future in some ways depending but I don't know what I'm going to Pride look at these guys they're all on something I need to fight

117:17I've got to make you know you don't go ask the bodybuilder at the at the gym you go ask a doctor well it's interesting too because when you watch guys that were competing in Pride and were looking amazing and then you see them when they got over to the UFC and they weren't nearly as good you have to look you have to think one of two things happened either they took so much punishment and pride that they never really fully recovered which is absolutely possible or they were on some Y and so or both or both yeah yeah most likely most likely um the thing people don't see somehow they oh that guy did steroids and now he's this that may be true but the natural reaction is this whether that's your hormone your hormonal reaction you're doing hand motions for people that are just listening is an up and a down yeah uh and uh you know your your hormone levels will crash yes and when they crash V

118:05like you know trt vtor and dadbod Vitor is not like you know in theory if you had to take trt because you had no or very little testosterone well now that you're off it you're going to be dad bod VOR when I saw that and it was you know what I was really happy for vtor to not look like a uh you know the Incredible Hulk and still win that said a lot about you mean when he fought handerson yeah yeah yeah but who knows who knows you know that's the problem who knows what kind of shenanigans are going on you know especially when you're fighting in Brazil I hate to say it but it is it is true it's a different it's it's a different thing you know I don't know what the future holds as far as uh testing for performance-enhancing drugs but I've got to imagine that they're closing in to the point where there's almost no wiggle room and these guys getting popped that never got popped

118:58before like when glacon got popped and everybody's like wow who saw that coming guy looks like the Incredible Hulk he one of the biggest weight Cutters in the history of the sport I mean he is the biggest 155 PB fighter I've ever seen in my life yeah bigger than anybody cuz he would weigh 155 make weight shredded and then the next day you'd be like Jesus Christ he's 200 lb he's so godamn big he was so big just swole shredded not an ounce of fat just gorilla strong and and freakish endurance but he popped hot for EPO he popped hot for something else as well right yeah I forget it might have been a diuretic too but then Yol Romero another one you look at that guy and you go well the how's that even human I love the yada guy when he introduced the concept of the smell test all that is is basically like come on that's what that is it's like the vitk on top of it man

119:52he's he's giving these guys no space that's the only way I mean either hey everybody can do whatever which is probably going to be unsafe in a lot of ways yes or well we're going to kind of test but you guys work around it your workarounds will be an acceptable amount of drug use that we're all going to say we're okay with and just well it's interesting because the UFC didn't have to do this this is all their own idea this is not instituted by the Nevada State athletic commission this is entirely the U us UFC's idea to bring in nitzky and say look let's chase this down to the end of the Earth let's find exactly what the these people are doing let's clean up the sport and you're seeing much more realistic bodies much more realistic performances you're seeing guys like Eric Silva like change radically like he looked like he used to look like a like a yoked up Bruce Lee

120:42yeah right and then he became like you know an athlete look like a regular athlete yeah I was in Saskatoon when he fought and when he went out to do the open workout we were like oh this guy totally different totally different um you know it's funny being a fan or fanatic fan uh people always there's a lot of that negativity we're talking about people always want to take a jab at the UFC or Dana or whatever nobody ever wants to point out the good moves like the really positive moves that they make and this is one of those it's a huge one it's a big one it's a big one um you you can't half asset because if you half asset and leave it to the um and the Dana used to say it's not our job it's the commission's job the reason they in instituted this is like they're just not doing a good enough job they're not they're not P testing is inexpensive and that's why they would do it the the

121:34type of blood test that the usada guys are doing is so much more comprehensive which was also why it was so maddening when Nick Diaz got in trouble because Nick Diaz and this is also to nitz's credit nitzky was one of the ones saying this is this suspension's what they're doing is because the usad testing showed him under the limit so he fine and then they had some other wacky piss test that's not nearly as as accurate and that's where he tested high and so they find him $100,000 now it's it's it's went from 165 down to 100 or something like that and then they're they're going to give him a 16mon suspension instead of three years five years they were going to give him five years that's insane well they just gave Vander three years you saw that yeah but here the problem with the vanderway thing is they did it just before he's gonna fight Fedor in Pride now if he

122:25goes or in ryzen rather I'm saying Pride I'm Hope Pride never die so he's going to fight Fedor and ryzen so he will have violated his ban so that will essentially keep him out of fighting in the United States forever I mean that's a sneaky thing they did right there a lot of people aren't pointing that out like they they kept that guy on the Shelf they told him he's banned for life they with them they wouldn't give him a hearing they kept postponing the hearing then coincidentally right after the guy guy gets a big fight he gets a f he's going to fight in August in in ryzen and then immediately they hit him with this threeyear and I think he's only 17 months in for the original suspension from the time that where they caught him to today I think it's only 17 months I think you're right if that's the case that's you know that's a year and five months this guy's still got

123:11another year and a half to go so he can't fight Fedor he can't get that payday or he can go and say I'm going to finish my career in Japan he's gonna I think he's G I think he's which is sad for fans over here was the most sad thing was all those crazy videos he was doing where saying the UFC is disrespecting the athlete and they're paying and then the UFC is like all right well we're going to tell everybody how much money you made and then you found out Vander made $9 million and you're like yeah wait wait wait that's not poverty yeah dude he made 9 million bucks like and he only won a couple of fights I mean obviously he's a a Legend and one of the all-time greats and one of my if I had to pick like three favorite figh vand is in that top three he was so much fun to watch he was just when you saw vanderlay rolling his wrists before those fights imagine

123:59looking at that over there come on he was chaos man which is make what makes The crocop Knockout of him even more impressive is that crocop showed the difference man this is the difference between a guy who's a wild brawler and an elite Striker for sure yeah yeah uh yeah you feel bad for Vander the uh that reaction with those videos and you know he loved being a hero yeah he loved it like when I talked to him he loved the people and he loved that people celebrated it the a big reason that he loved fighting was the audience and he told me that that he loved it and then somewhere between jail in injecting some jness in there and a few other things suddenly the audience was negative against vanderlay for some length of time it was The Ultimate Fighter yeah he would just he acted like an he acted like a bully and an and it didn't work and Cha made him look like

124:51fool he made him look like a fool verbally and then physically when CH took him down like you know really pretty easily CH made him look like an that's what Conor's doing now Conor's been compared to him I don't think there's it's not even yeah like in the thinking I don't think it's a similarity but you can't with guys who are so good at that you will lose you it's it's either going to affect your performance you're going to look bad I thought and my guy Uriah figured out exactly how to tangle with Conor McGregor like he became kind of a friend and he was part of the around with does yeah he's got jial yeah yeah yeah he's a very likeable you know it's looking like it's going to beah and Dominic Cruz that's crazy what do you think about that I'm one of the reasons I wanted to fight and wanted to learn more about fighting and one of the things that pointed me to start pursuing this was

125:40UAH Faber Mark homic these little guys that fought you know I'd like admire them wanted to be like them I was older um but uh but so I'm a Uriah guy um but when he went to fight Frankie my breakdown kind of was this guy's really good at these things and he's gets better at these certain things but we got to see some kind of innovation out of them we have to see something else Uriah wins with drive and determination he'll win every position he wins by with Will and he wins by overwhelming you he can mentally break you he can't be stopped all of that is great but we need something more technically we need some new tricks we need some that other guy doesn't know he didn't have that against Frankie I'll say exactly the same thing for Dominick Cruz he must have some new things some other stuff just being the best Uriah isn't going to win him this fight I don't think he's got to have

126:34some other different answers yeah I wonder what he's doing as far as working on his footwork and working to try to deal with I mean he has fought him twice he's the only guy to beat Dominic he caught Dominic with the gig team their first fight and I wonder like what's I mean having the knowledge of having Face dominant not just once but twice and especially the second time he knocked him down a couple of times yeah you very close fight just like TJ was a very close fight very close fight um with uh with Dominic so we were talking about this earlier so somebody says go go figure out here's your guy go figure out how to beat Dominic Cruz you have three years what the do we do kicks yeah leg kicks going to be a big one giant Factor slow those legs down um almost at all costs I think first of all you've got two things to consider one Dominic is most likely not going to knock you

127:21out with one punch okay so he doesn't have the kind of knockout power that a Connor does where you really have to be terribly fearful about closing that distance so you know his number one asset is his movement chop those legs man chop those legs if I was him I would I would go and train with the best Muay Thai leg kicker I could find I would I would seek them out I would say this is priority number one and maybe even you know concentrate on Switching stances quite a bit because Dominic will switch stances quite a bit and if you're could switch stances and throw the power uh back leg kick from the Southpaw position and from Orthodox you know that would open up those kicks and and work on those combinations when Dominic is switching work on also going across the top of the thigh if he's not in the right position to throw the outside leg kick if you were ordinarily going to

128:09inside throw it like an outside but go across take that right step and go across the top of the thighs slick stuff yeah slick stuff um so this is part of my McGregor breakdown but uh uh there's lots of little elements so but um so uh it was Jeremy Stevens I was asking him about fighting Max um Holloway and he's like I'm like you know these guys who move they're long they're going to be lateral all this kind of stuff and he said we have to keep them in the headlights right so we we're a car and our headlights kind of go out on an angle if we keep him in that Lit area of the headlights that's great but he doesn't want to be there he wants to be outside of there so what do we do small steps he's making Grand movements but if we keep our headlights lined up and we're working at angle goes away a goalie looks at dealing with like something we make small steps and small

128:56adjustments to keep him in the headlights then when he goes to flee outside of there quite simply the right kick is the barrier that way and the left kick is the barrier that way and we kind of shoehorn them into our headlights as best as we can and fabers never really use leg kicks that way but sure as sounds like a great idea if we can just keep them in those headlights and as he goes to flee that extra weapon of the leg starts so if our headlights are a certain width the leg becomes the barrier to keep him in there that's got to be a starting point how crazy it be if Faber reunited with Dwayne lwig if they buried all the got together it's so crazy it wouldn't happen because now that he's with TJ and you know they've said so much bad about each other and I I don't think it would but it is too bad but he needs someone like that you know he needs someone who's going to really

129:43tighten up those those footwork movements and those leg kick movements but if we we saw a totally different yah imagine that he comes out up high and just starts attacking those legs I mean that would be wild man it would be uh oh again with the memory who's uh that uh Jorgenson when Uriah fought Jorgenson that was my favorite performance ever and that's the Dwayne lwig was uh cornering him and he did something we see TJ do a lot I call it like a shell game or like a ball in cups like you know we've got three cups which one has the ball when when TJ uh changes his level obviously that can be a takedown but it can also from there he comes up with the right uppercut from the same spot he comes up with the left high kick he has takedowns he has so many things and it all centers on that that position which is just shows you how smart Dwayne is we have these wrestlers

130:35in wrestling they have this level change spot that's going to be the home to many of our attacks and Uriah did that awesomely against Jorgenson now jensson is not dominant Cruz but he did it so beautifully the the level change became a starting point for like eight different options TJ tried use that with Cruz but Dominic Cruz literally one when a magician you're a magician you're trying to do a trick on me or a comedian tries to tell you a joke you're like I heard all these jokes or I've seen all these tricks you a magician can't do that to another magician so Cruz just wouldn't play a ball in Cup game he's like I'll dance around out here you chase me around put your ball and cups on like a little trolley and try to convince me to play it I'll just kick them off you know and so that that he's just different like and Cruz is so smart like he's so brilliant you

131:21and that that goes right back to that sort of growth mindset when the guy had off legs he's like well I still got to get better I'll learn more about fighting I'll learn to explain it better I'll learn to analyze it better I'll make myself understand it more he used instead of that being well two years down the tubes it was like two years I'm going to gain other skills and other uh applicable skills and it made him way better he's way better cuz he had that surgery you know than if he just was in the gym and he never was forced to take that time time yeah I bet you're probably right and he's one of my favorite analysts the way he breaks down fights and especially when it comes to making mistakes and the Striking leaving yourself open to get hit he's so good at not getting hit it's one of the best things he is so good at explaining how to not get hit or why someone made a

132:10mistake in getting hit yeah oh he's he's so brilliant I love it's funny too it's like i' I I've met him like once I when it was TJ and him I was asking him about the fight and I could see him going okay this guy kind of knows about fighting cuz he doesn't give a if you like him you know what I mean Dominic Cruz I like that about him I like that about even the way he does analysis or commentary he doesn't really give a you ask me to analyze some I'm going to analyze some well he's he's doing it like mathematics 1 plus one is one whether you like me or not or 1 plus one is two see I can't even count with that one plus one is one yeah you know what I'm saying he's like he's putting it together in a really clear obvious Manner and if doesn't you don't have to enjoy his personality in order to appreciate the Brilliance of what he's saying but I like his personality

132:57and I think he's he's a super smart articulate guy we only we did a little bit of commentary together I saw it and uh I really enjoyed it I really enjoyed like being able to bounce ideas off of him and ask questions and I would like to do that with a bunch of different kind of Fighters too because guys who aren't like him maybe like a Damen Maya like one of my favorite um when uh Damen Maya fought uh Neil Magny uh I was I could couldn't wait to interview him because I wanted to know like what adjustments he was making when he couldn't tap him from his back and then he eventually did get it and he was explaining to me how he saw that he was defending on one side so he started turning him towards the other side and setting him up to defend on that side so he could catch him on the other side just so oh man it's it's it's so important it's it's everything it's one

133:40of the most important things about MMA is analyzation of technique and having that fighter explain to you can it's it illuminates things in such a beautiful way like when I say well what did you see that was well what I saw he kept blocking on this side or he kept moving towards that so I was going to try to pretend that I was going to do the same thing I was doing before but set him up for a different thing and uh that level of like his skill level is so incredibly mind-bogglingly high it's so easy for him to think in there like a lot of guys guy in fight number three he's like 80 and it's UFC Fight 2 it's like I got to get the choke got to get the choke oh my God's sto the choke okay I'll try to get it on like it's just the thought process isn't as clear and concise as Damen Maya who's like all right Jiu-Jitsu I do this every day for my whole life and you

134:32don't you know what's interesting about Maya as opposed to anybody else too he's really adamant about not wanting to hurt people yeah he's like you know once I you know I got him to the ground you know I throw a few punches just to open him up but I really want to get the choke I don't want to hurt him I'm like wow I don't want to hurt him wild just like that is his real mentality he's not bullshitting he's not trying to get you to like him more but pretending to be more more kind and peaceful no he really is not trying to hurt you he's trying to he's just trying to win uh fighting isn't violence like it isn't it doesn't have to be competition it happens to be violent but it is competition it's violent when Rumble Johnson fights it's violent yeah okay yeah that's true man he's so that the thing about Rumble Johnson that doesn't get enough uh people can't

135:24necessarily appreciate he's how good he is like everybody oh he's got power yes he has power he has crazy power but he also when you watch his hips and you watch his feet he is in position to deliver power anywhere all the time and that like when you we're trying to figure out you know how CM Punk is going to fight and I'll talk to people who never trained or never studied training or whatever they're like well it could be pretty good it's like they're I can tell you exactly how good you can be at this stage because if you look at the very best people you've ever watched train with the best coaches at 18 months this is maybe what they're capable of and he's 36 or whatever and he's not a super athlete so it'll be a little less than that he's yeah he's he's he made a big I feel like I feel for him because I looked at that when he started doing that I was like I

136:10know exactly how he feels I wanted to fight I wanted to figure out I wanted to get in there but I there's that thing um unconscious incompetence right uncons ious incompetence you don't know what the you're talking about and you don't even know that you don't know what the you're talking about and if you learn enough eventually you get conscious incompetence where you're like I don't know what the I'm talking about but at least I know that so I can start learning some right then you'll get conscious competence where you're like yeah I'm pretty good I got to think about it I consciously am working at it but and then the greats are unconscious competence yeah I don't have to think Damen Maya doesn't have to think about the most that this he was unconscious incompetent when he said he wanted to fight in the UFC and I feel for him like I feel the guy didn't

136:56know what he was doing it sounded like a cool thing he's a driven guy who believes you can achieve what you put your mind to and you work really hard he just was unconsciously incompetent he didn't have enough knowledge to know how much could be acquired what he might be capable of if he worked harder than anyone had ever worked in his life for 18 months he didn't understand how low that would be yeah you know you still suck yeah you suck yeah there's no way if you have no background and Combat Sports at all and you're 36 years old and you think you're going to fight in the UFC in a year that's almost insulting yeah kudos to him for giving it a shot I understand the motivation but I got mocked and ridiculed and ended up with a concussion when I did it on the smallest levels people who were in fighting who the is this guy to come into fighting so I feel for him that way I know he probably

137:43really loves fighting he just didn't know how shitty was the maximum he could get at this stage and that level of shittiness is not good enough to ever fight in the UFC never mind debut in the UFC it's also I don't think he's that much of an athlete no like when I watch him move I watch his there's nothing about him where I go like well okay we're watching like a Brock Lesnar Brock Lesnar was a freak athlete you would watch that guy move when I remember the first time I saw Brock fight I saw him fight I mean I obviously had seen some videos of him in WWE doing some spectacular he a physical specimen Beyond Compare right but when I saw him fight in K1 I was in uh La when they fought and uh he took fought some Japanese gentlemen took him down just smashed him I remember thinking good luck keeping that off you that's a totally different kind of a thing with this CM Punk guy what you got

138:38is a good-looking guy who speaks well he's got a lot of Charisma and that led him to the top in wrestling but if you watch his wrestling moves like there's nothing there's nothing ridiculous about it you at his body there's nothing ridiculous about his body he's not doing anything out of the ordinary he just didn't understand how low how little could be knowledge and skill could be acquired in the time that he was going to look at he just couldn't know where's he at now have you see him trained I've seen a bit of it you know like it's looks where you think a guy who worked really hard for a year and a half would be which is okay if you just watch some of it yeah I mean see if you can find CM Punk training yeah what's that I've been looking right now they had there's no videos from anytime recently there's like some stuff I'm looking at from August last year let's try that the

139:24reason I brought him up when I was talking about Anthony Johnson is one of the first things that you find when you go and uh let's see what we got here I'll tell you uh what you find is that you can do these things but as soon as a guy is moving you're not in Balance anymore as soon as you're in reality you're not in Balance I mean athleticism stuff here this is not CM Punk though this Luke rockold oh CM Punk train exos Performance Center okay I mean that's a guy working out you know yeah it doesn't show too much that's it I I saw him hitting pads at one point it looked like you yeah like look like look at this like this he jumping up on these boxes yeah I mean I don't know man I just it's it's not a knock against him no he just didn't know he was unconsciously incompetent of what could be achieved it's like we were talking it's mathematics it's similar okay here

140:18we see his guard first of all look at this he's a white belt this is crazy and he's doing this with Henry Gracie mhm okay so he's doing some plank video too4 I think okay but even that I mean two years U the reality is unless you're 20 years old two years is not really a lot of time to get prepared for something if you're a 20-year-old guy you can watch somebody's a blue belt at 20 years and then in two years they're a black belt that is possible if you're obsessed if you're a Maniac if you're a real nut if you're some BJ P when he was in his prime but you know this guy probably likes he likes to eat he's got bills he's got taxes he pays he's probably got media obligations you know it ain't that easy to to become a complete obsessed freak and then again the whole thing is like athletically his body did not develop to explode I have a good buddy of mine who's very good at Jiu-Jitsu and I

141:13brought him to a boxing gym once and uh the uh the guy was holding pads for him and I was like oh my God like watching him hit pads I was like he'll he's never going to get it it's there was like his body did not grow exploding like that his body moved slow and it was labored it was like me trying to write a a book with my left hand it was like awkward and he just couldn't do it and I remember thinking like wow okay like these there's just they're just not there is this him here yeah I mean that you can tell that's a white belt who who is trained a bit you know that's not too bad it's all right is well but uh even the white belt for Life thing that that smells of being trying not to be you know he says he's a white belt for life is what he saying yeah it it's it reeks of not being judged and fighting is not a place you want to not be judged this is not bad this is not bad this movement

142:13is not bad but he's training with Henry Gracie by the way who's just a wizard and an awesome instructor okay that's B and there was space as he pushed that off too yeah but you know it's hey man if if this guy was still wrestling and he loved fighting was talking about was fighting on a small skate Batista fought and he had a great fight it was a really good fight for a guy who's only been training for a while and that's the way to do it a small organization fight somebody who's like at your level the other thing that that really bummed me out is that he just got back surgery yeah man back surgery is tricky as man they start CH chewing away at those discs there's other ways to handle that I don't know how bad it was but the guy was walking around and Matt Brown had a a good uh conversation about that recently I was uh reading some of the things that Matt Brown said about his

143:01own bulging disc because he didn't have to get surgery he he rehabilitated it but he does a lot of work down at Westside barbell with Lou Simmons who created the reverse hyper a machine that we have in the back here and I B I bought one specifically because I knew that Lou had designed it because they were trying to get him to have back surgery and he wasn't buying it and he was like there's got to be a way if there is a way to compress the disc to make it bulge out like that there's got to be a way to decompress the disc actively and strengthen the area so he created that reverse hyper machine and you know to see this guy go straight to back surgery like that when just a few days before that he was standing there talking to that Mickey GA kid yeah I mean what the is going on man how why you getting surgery like what you reviewed all the options with that and

143:46uh you know he was saying to Ariel I want to fight on either 199 or 200 I hope I got the juice to fight on 200 which is crazy you don't you shouldn't have any juice regardless of how famous you are the juice meaning the yeah I guess I don't know but but are you lying to Ariel then because you knew you were having back surgery are you lying now that it was weeks before you saw this guy fight regardless I want to pick on the guy cuz I understand it's motivation but I think if somebody ask my opinion if his he was my friend and he said what do you think I should do I'd be like why don't you come out and have a long interesting conversation with somebody some you know Ariel's his friend and say listen I went and I explored this for a long time I I found some incredible things in fighting it gave me this I learned this stuff and I and what I discovered was there's no way I could

144:32fight that's crazy it would have been an insult to fighting and I learned enough to know it and now that I love it I want to work for the UFC I want to do some other things I want to contribute people would look and go honesty right that's one of those things we never see it's so refreshing just come out and say I I trained my ass off and what I found was only a further appreciation for everybody in this gym and all these Fighters and I learned enough to barely to understand that I barely know anything about fighting but now that I love it I want to do some other stuff in fighting we'd all probably go cool that's great that's what he should do well I don't think he can't fight I think he definitely could fight I don't think that a year is nearly enough time to fight in the UFC I think that's preposterous but I think anybody could fight at a commensurate level if you

145:16could find someone who is at your level who's been training as as long as you have and have an amateur fight there's absolutely nothing wrong with not being the best in the world or not being at a world championship or a world class UFC level there's nothing wrong with that no no nothing at all I think what insults a lot of people is that he jumped right into the UFC and he did so because not just because like he's notori he has notoriety and when he was younger he was a boxing champion or a wrestling champion like Brock was NCAA National Champion I mean you got to look at Brock and go hey man you know maybe the guy can actually do it with him you're like you never wrestled in high school you never wrestled in college you you're a white belt in Jiu-Jitsu you're a white belt in like what are you in karate what are you in Muay Thai and and to not strike until

146:03you sign a contract that to me is insane the you're having a conversation about maybe fighting in the UFC in two years you start training yesterday you don't wait and then figure out what jimm day one a training striking that's Insanity you know but I get went to the right place yeah Duke's amazing he's such a wonderful guy is the I mean that that gym is amazing he's got fantastic training there from Daniel wanderay to uh Ben asran to Pettis to to Duke himself who's just amazing coach Kush Scott kushman he's got a great gy I mean that if if if I was thinking about fighting that would be one of the places that I would consider yeah he did the right thing that TriStar faras sahabi Alliance um Matt hum I just go to Matt hum right on the a genius man he's a goddamn genius and he's the most lowkey of of all of them you don't hear a peep out of that guy Demetrius and him

146:57are like symbiotic yeah like Demetrius is Matt hams cruising around the world knows everything about fighting fought himself research and study loved the martial arts pursuing it looking for all the truths of martial arts and Along Comes This super athlete and he's like I'm going to invest a couple years see if he really oh he's really becoming he's he learns incredibly well he's a good guy he's a smart person oh then once he gets to that level it's just like I'm going to commit my life to making you the champion and symbiotically Matt trains with him physically trains with him like he's his training partner most of the time and he's a genius that symbiotic one-on-one thing there isn't much of that in the in the world there's not many fighters that have one brilliant coach that commits most of their time to them it's hard to find someone who's willing to do that who and then forget

147:44about someone who has the knowledge and the ability that Hume has cuz he's not just a knowledgeable guy but he's very similar in faras a hobby in that he's not just incredibly knowledgeable but he's also incredibly physically capable like faras is nasty he's got nasty kickboxing skills and nasty jiujitsu I mean and his knowledge is very deep and wide and I think the same thing could be said of Matt Hume it's so rare to find a guy like those two guys I I admire fro and I like him very much and I just spoke with him the other day on the phone uh before I went in to do the McGregor one he was working on something with McGregor and I I love the m and he's brilliant um but the the one difference is he's got 50 students so he and he makes them great and he gives them real time and he dedicates himself to them but this guy's basically one of a handful that is crazy but uh for us

148:34also seems to be that it's such an interesting martial art seems to have this interesting path where you know you come along and you learn some moves and then you learn how kind of how it works and then you do work on your body and then you learn how to learn and then you learn strategy and then all these things grow and inevitably you end up at a mental thing and then philosophy the study of martial arts ends up somewhere the study of philosophy how to live your life how to learn how to improve how to become better in being a human being not just in kickboxing like that inevitable result if you stay on the martial arts path long enough inevitably you end up how can I be a better person like how can I get better at being a human being that and find that those things are are part of what trips people up you know part of what trips you up in anything you do is if you have personality flaws

149:25if you create problems in relationships and in inter relationship conflict um problems with friends problem with a wife or girlfriend or what have you those those things that make you a bad neighbor will also make you a bad fighter because they get in your way and you realize you've created this unnecessary you you know yelled at your neighbor for no reason because his dog in your lawn or whatever the it is like you you created a a problem that didn't need to be there and now you've got you've got extra friction and conflict in your life that's unnecessary instead of creating some sort of a positive bond by being a really good person so you learn you know again no one's perfect but you learn somewhere along those lines okay I if I just approach this in a better more you know more friendly more open more nice and then I get this positive reward out of that and I realized that's the path

150:17the path is to try to be a better person the path is to try to have more character the path is to try to be a better friend to be you know a better training partner you know to make sure that you are pushing your friend towards Victory you're not trying to kick his ass because you know he's tired you know that that's a real issue in gyms right when they run a gauntlet having a guy that is going to wear you out but not going to you up because he knows he can because he knows you're tired because you just ran with three other guys before one thing used to drive me crazy where I would be training and I would be exhausted and I would see a guy sitting down waiting taking the time off of training not training that round and then as soon as this round is done he tries to jump on you I'm like you just sitting down why were you just sitting down and I'll call them out I'll go what

151:07are you doing you want to rest and then you want to jump in while you're fresh and other people are tired off man for sure yeah I I remember sparring with a guy and after I looked he was wearing like novelty boxing gloves like everybody showed up to spy and he had little like and it's like are you out of your mind like you're looking for an edge over people you're working with you know it's so strange a lot of out there those guys are almost always not good but sometimes good enough to hurt you yeah there uh there's this guy that I used to love working with I just really like there's a lot of guys in Canada that kind of end up being like uh I kind of get to admire them over time because they were pioneers and maybe some of them weren't even in the UFC some of them got there Claude Patrick Shawn Pearson some of those guys who were important Canadian pioneers

151:53homic and and Pat cot all those guys Joe durksen who's a cool dud sure uh you admire those guys one of them he never got to the UFC and he's in his probably close to 40 now Adrien Woolly and he was like the best 12 125 or going and when I would go and I had a fight coming up I wanted some rounds with wly and the reason I wanted them was one he would push you really hard but two he hurt me one time and he's very aggressive and he hurt me one time and my leg wobbled and as I circled I saw him take the time to let me recover and that's literally the perfect training partner you want him to push you so hard as close to a fight as you can handle right now and understand what you can handle but not take you past that point of what you can friend yeah and he was literally and he was ornery and aggressive but I loved having him in the rotation in the last week

152:42before a fight or a couple weeks of real training before a fight no um because of that it's just like training training partners some gyms have them uh TriStar has some guys they don't fight but man they're a huge important ingredient to every one of those Fighters you know you know you were talking about your getting that concussion in Jordan me's Camp what happened with me he just retired he's really young yeah you know his dad just fought recently his dad's like 45 just just enormous and one and his dad is a cool dude I don't know exactly we talked to Jordan after he's like 25 right yeah he's got like 30 plus fights yeah he's talented he's super talented you see what he did to Mike pile yeah you know what I mean Mike pile's brilliant Mike pile's a super fighter well what he was doing to Thiago Alves before he took that body kick and props to Thiago for

153:32figuring a way through that first round and Landing that body kick and take him out but and then for have to have me and retire like that was really shocking my I'm guessing so what I'm going to say is entire I know Jordan I like Jordan very very much his father and I are very good friends uh I'm guessing but there I picked up bits and pieces of him kind of figuring out well I'll get paid real good money when I'm kind of at the top and then it's like wait a second I'm fighting like top five guys I'm fighting like Thiago Alves level guys I'm there Jordan wants to be rich and Jordan wants to be successful in life in some of those ways and at least he's told me that and he didn't say anything about pay or any of that stuff but it was like he was he's right at the top and he's not becoming wealthy enough for what he's doing that's my guess and uh he loves fighting but one

154:25day he loved other stuff too he's like you know what I didn't again I'm guessing but a guy like him was like you know I didn't have as much sex in high school as a lot of other guys did because I was training all the time you know I didn't go on fishing trips as much as other guys because I was training all the time you know drinking beer on Saturdays is really fun like all of those things happen you're 25 you're like you know and man having the guts the smartness to identify and the guts to quit something we all as a society think that like don't quit anything you driven you do go do it for life to really analytically look and go this will not give me what I want even if I achieve the results I will achieve I don't want or are not enough for me so I will step away I admire that like um uh rock bands and I'm trying to think of somebody in particular Aerosmith or something like that what

155:15the is this guy still doing going up there playing he might love it but in why is he on American Idol he needs to still be on TV or he needs an audience or he needs to be worshipped or whatever you made all the money you made all the great records go and sit on a beach somewhere people who go you know I've done enough of this stuff I think I would move on to other stuff we should admire those people because they're really rare you know they are they are really rare but it's just me and was so talented you know another guy like that that vanish is Adon amagov yeah right yeah yeah I don't know what happened to him he became very religious and uh I heard that he was going to be I'd heard some rumors that he was going to be a cleric or something like that cuz he was uh pretty devout Muslim I don't know what happened but he was another guy like wow that guy was so

156:02talented I I used to manage some UFC fighters a couple all the way up so and it was it was really to learn like everything I could do to learn any angle a fight or manag or if I could carry the bucket whatever I could do I wanted to do and I came across this guy Nick Deni do you ever remember Nick Den yeah and I'm managed Nick and we got him to the UFC we got sha Shelby loved Nick and you should if you go and watch his first fight or his fights in the UFC he fought like a caveman the guy has u a master's degree in Biochemistry I think he's brilliant but when he fought he loved fighting like a caveman and he retired because he said he was taking head trauma he he didn't like it yeah and he uh he we talked about it and he talked with other people about it it's like could I fight different ways yes but he likes fighting like a caveman and fighting like a caveman will result in

156:52brain damage he got knocked out by Marin Sandro in pan uh in uh sokku and uh then he said after he recovered from that one he said you know if I ever get another concussion I'm going to retire and then after the uh the last fight he had he had a broken orbital bone and he thought why am I waiting until after I've sustained the damage to step away why am I give saying it's okay to take one more large amount of damage if I'm going to step away let's just go let's step you know um he's a brilliant guy one of the most interesting and cool I haven't talked to him in a while I'm going to make sure to send give him a call or something he's such a brilliant guy very very smart guy and he's a guy always using an example of someone who's very wise and recognizing the risk versus reward and realizing the reward is not worth it anymore I need to Y and there's going to come a time for all these guys

157:41they they have to decide like when it is is it over you know when we were talking about the pursuit like getting after something and being obsessed with something and and wanting greatness there comes a time that's no longer in your mind and you're still on this path because it's something you've always done because you've been a fighter for x amount of years and so this is what you're doing you're going into training camp but you don't have that fire inside you like you did when you first started or when you were improving or when you were at your best and that's when you need to stop yeah the um just so hard for people it's really hard the one of the things I've heard before is people will um Paul poly malagi I never pronounced his name well who's actually a brilliant commentator very very good love listening to his com he's one of my favorites in boxing very

158:29good um he uh wrote an article about how his passion and desire to get back to fighting and everyone told him he shouldn't but it's just enemy needs that that cannot be the motivating factor among the reasons that that's 100% true it can't be is cu when you're 60 you're still going to have that that's never going to go away so that just having that does not mean go fight cuz you'll always have that it's one of many pieces of a pie chart that you have to have in place yes but if you're going to have it your whole life it's irrelevant whether you have it or not because you know you have it and one day you're going to have to retire even though you have it so that can't be a part of the decision process I think you probably didn't see that Rocky movie when uh Rocky was like 59 and he decided you know I'm just thinking about maybe having a fight yeah remember that yeah that was the one

159:16where um he he was uh who the did he yeah Tommy Gun no no no no it was after that oh yeah was it the one where he fought the guy who knocked out Roy Jones Jr oh yeah yeah Tarver tver Tarver Magic Man and uh you know which was ridiculous and apparently he got knocked out in training training for that like at like 60 whatever the hell he was getting punched in the face by Tarver when we're uh yeah insane when we're looking at Anderson Silva fighting his one of his very favorite Fighters is Roy J J there it is look at that come on son what the are we even looking at that's insane and it was like 70 years old and he looks 30 like yeah I mean it's amazing what testosterone replacement therapy's done for him but like um it just the the the fact that he could try to sell Jesus look at him he shredded incredible how old was he when he made this movie in his 50s at least

160:152006 so 10 years ago at least how old is he now I'm not sure yeah let's find out how old he is now cuz that would mean that he had to be like 57 then I think yeah if he's 67 now 69 now 59 my God that's ins that's science man that's science Jesus Christ well I love this this is so he's so it's so insane people always try to say he's 5'6 I'm 5'8 I stood next to that dude maybe he had lifts in his shoes but he's he's taller than me really yeah everybody always tries to pretend he's so tiny that's some weird weird thing that people do you know they always like try to pretend that people are tinier than they are oh he's only like 5'5 Yeah he's only like 3 feet tall I am 5'8 I don't wear lifts in my shoes I never have I have terrible posture I'm short as but when I stood next to him he's bigger than me I I like I expected him to be what everybody says like I want to meet Tom

161:08Cruz because everybody says he's tiny too he might not be tiny either not I I don't know why that would be something that people do but whatever what it's perceived as undermining people just people love doing that they love doing that you realize you don't have to do that like when you see people you know Rhonda comes out and says that she had a horrific experience people like yeah her and then when you're like you know why are you reacting this way they're like well she brought it on herself but yeah but you're still choosing to have that response you could easily have a different response you could easily have a different perspective yeah but that's a long path to Improvement for an you're like trying to improve a troll with one sentence that's like not going to happen a lot of people also their life sucks and they see someone is doing as good as

161:52she was doing when she was on the top I mean was it Sports Illustrated called her the most dominant female athletes of all time and you know there's just so much hype and Fanfare and then also there's all the shitty things that she was saying to her opponents and the way she was talking to them and like the Mesa Tate thing when she did the show with her and she you she would win the competition she' be like you and after the she beat her she walked away would to shake her hand there was so much fuel for the haters feels like you don't have a choice but must hate like you do have a choice um I just feel like sometimes when we say these things and I do it all the time I'm guilty of it as charged but we're it's almost like you're yelling out into the abyss yeah right yeah I guess I I just you all you can do is hope that you keep offering up that there is another choice and that but um

162:44we also have a a binary culture there was this article I read the tenderization of America America we're either going to swipe yes yep want a or left nope don't and that that thought process that binary process is actually influence how our culture thinks Ronda Rousey uh is either the greatest athlete ever or she sucks and she's terrible she can lose and still be the greatest athlete ever she can still be a 99 out of a 100 but we can't have that in our culture she's a left swipe or a right swipe and people only want one or the other they won't there's gray areas in everything in the the world and the gray are is where the beauty is it's where the interesting fascinating is and where our culture is making it so that we don't look there because of that swipe though is why a a real winner like Connor is so spectacular because with the amount of scrutiny with the amount of pressure

163:36that's on him to still perform the way he did and win in 13 seconds by knockout then you are the hero and then that's also why people were on Aldo after that fight so badly right Aldo was the greatest pound-for-pound now he's terrible no he's still among the greatest he had a life he had a decade of being the greatest maybe he's now been surpassed by somebody or had a long career a lot of a lot of damage took a lot of damage fought a lot of hard fights um plus the gym Wars oh yeah yeah and you talk about how they trained back then he used to live in the gym probably train all day every day his body is all broken down bpar with Andy sour on a regular basis I mean sour is like an alltime K1 great by the way that was Carlos ket's first kickboxing yeah I saw that I saw that crazy is that he's got zero fights he fought a guy with a hundred fights unbelievable saying I loved I I watched much

164:30of that podcast that you did with him and I mean I'm he is you were saying Vander would be one of your three favorites or that those things do change every time we we talk we' have different ones thinking differently but K is absolutely one of my favor absolutely tough guy that fifth round with Lawler was just insane I thought he won that fight very close very close fight very close fight yeah that one uh yeah I mean what I thought was beautiful it didn't really matter to him like he was search he was seeking that fight and he had that fight and what three guys sitting at the side think doesn't take anything away from the 25 minute brilliant experience that he had that will affect him positively for the rest of his life yeah you know and would he like to do it again maybe but maybe not maybe that was you know I don't know man he's only got a few more left in him I

165:19think you know I think Carlos is a really smart guy and I think he's also got a lot of other things that he could do with his life he's very intelligent and what made him such a great fighter would make him great at anything he chooses to do and I think he's got a realistic perception of how much longer his body can go through those kind of training camps and those kind of fights yeah I mean Andy sour was his first it's insane that's insane he loved it yeah I know I saw that he said you know it was such a great experience for him um he he gave me one of the great quotes when I was trying to figure out more about fighting and it was actually relevant to what we're saying about Dominick Cruz and you're talking about we showed the footwork drills and how he moves and I asked cond because he's like that and he's very special you know and I said uh when you're doing that are you when you

166:06go into fight are you working with pre-planned sequences so you'll run sequence a twice or three times on Robbie and when he starts reacting to sequence a you'll trick him with sequence B are you running these things are you improvising what's happening and the way he put it was he said some of the time I'm reading the Sheep music and I'm just reading the Sheep music and playing it and other times I just go off in a Solo and I just and I just improvise and that and and um Stephen Thompson McGregor Cruz Holly that's what the best are doing they they have Sheep music sometime Some Nights the sheet music's goingon to be killer everybody's going to applaud it's gonna be fantastic other times you got to go off on some crazy Jazz Odyssey to make it work and sometimes a bit of both well that was a big thing with Anderson is recognizing where those patterns were

166:51and being able to create something in the moment yeah yeah what do you think about Anderson versus bisbing um like I was saying Roy Jones Jr is one of his favorites and you saw what happened to Roy Jones when he got older it will happen eventually is it now or is it in a year or is it in five years it's G to happen uh I'm I mean I I have I played a Troll game of with Anderson Silva for and not with him but Sherdog used to ask for for pred and I just picked against Anderson on everyone CU everybody was picking Anderson I thought it was funny I mean Stephan Bonner is going to defeat Anderson Silva and be considered the greatest it was it was comedy right uh so people friends who know me or people who follow our our Channel know that uh so when I say I think bisbing is GNA win they think I'm just still playing that but I do probably think that Ander when we picture Anderson Silva we're

167:41picturing him in there against forest in the greatest moments and that's not what I expect him to be I don't expect him to be like that anymore uh the fact that he was one of the greatest fighters of all time and Brilliant and beautiful to watch and did incredible things that's not diminished in any way but what's up is that wasn't that long ago what's really crazy about him was Stephan Bonner was like what was that 2013 yeah 12 or 13 12 or 13 so four years ago he was The Wizard he was the greatest of all time now he's barely hanging on he took a whole year off he fought Wyman twice laging half right took a whole year off um will also broke his leg and then tested positive after the Diaz fight took that year off exactly so he's you know he's in some weird place right now we don't know what his body's going to be like we don't know me know bis bank's accusing him of

168:34taking steroids his whole career that could be partly gamesmanship or he might know something you know he might I don't know uh all of those things hint to me Point towards not expecting him to be his best if he's not his best Michael Bisping is the most underappreciated underrated undervalued by his opponents tough fundamentally really good he's not going anywhere he's got hard smart punches not knockout punches but enough to make you aware everything he does is intelligent well placed he can get emotional and that might be something Anderson will want to play with but uh but I mean I just don't I'm not imagining Anderson Silva from his highlight reels I'm imagining a guy who had his leg broken in half lost twice 100% of the fights he's had since then which was the Diaz fights he didn't have brilliant performances so we haven't seen him have really a brilliant

169:21performance since Yin oami years back now could he come out and be mind-blowing that'd be amazing yeah well boner was his last fight before I guess I'm kind of undervalued Y Yin was a spectacular perform so yeah and he had many of them and I and just because I played picked against him for a comedy I don't want my friends of ours where people watch Fight networ to think I don't like Anderson he's 40 yeah exactly he's 40 unless you're on some 4 is 40 and it's hard to be on now almost impossible almost impossible listen Robin we ran out of time those three hours ran through 3 hours it's crazy we just Bo and we did it thanks brother we got to do this more often let me know when you're in town and let me know when your breakdown of Conor McGregor and hael dos anos goes live I'll tweet it we'll get it out to people thanks brother thank you brother I appreciate

170:12it very much all right folks uh see you guys on Sunday with the fight companion much love bye-bye ni