Brendan Schaub

00:00eha and we're live dum dum dum brenon chob I got to talk to you about marijuana and exercise ohow together as a group really I am a huge fan today I did something I haven't done in a long time I haven't been getting high and working out uh I got high and did yoga like a couple weeks ago and I loved it it was a 90minut class and it went I I thought I was abducted by aliens and I lost time hot aliens hot aliens in spandex the place I go to is not that well they're very nice people I'll just say that but when I was um when I was in the class usually the class like 90 minutes it's rough especially like those last 20 you got to grind you got to stay focused mentally tough mentally challenging it sounds like like you know like oh come on these housewives are tough yeah I've been through some I've been through some with football and fighting in a 90minut class what and I didn't know

00:55it was 90 minutes I thought it was 60 I was like damn I'm about to freak out I don't have I have I didn't have water oh no I'm super gangster I was like yeah 16 minutes I'm cool with water then it gets to that hour mark and I look over the girl next to me I'm like aren't we supposed to rap soon she goes oh no honey it's it's 90 minutes you should have seen I wish they had my face on camera I was like God how did you do it with water I'm about to break I'm about to break you need to try that whm Hoff method that dude didn't he do like a marathon in the middle of the Desert in Africa or something like that no water yeah he's an animal me making it through to yoga no water just same as him I'm telling you man I'm telling you bro I was about to break I was like damn these house moms look at this there was something about doing it high where it was easier and I don't necessarily know

01:41if that's good see I think that like sometimes like those mental struggles that's good for the mind it steals up the mind and the weed made it like almost easy easier way easier like to the point where I was like that was an hour and a half like I never do that when I'm sober ever ever you're kind of freaking out towards the end fre out but you're just like damn just grinding like grinding just um what I try to do towards the end of a yoga class we sound like the biggest that have ever walk the face of the Earth you know when yoga gets hard sh whatever bro I love that yoga gets hard bro the tough get going I toughen up bro I got mental toughness I'm doing chaturanga and dude for real so I don't give a 90 minute yoga will you up it will you up but what I um I do is I just try to concentrate on my breathing that's it just concentrating my breathing and don't I

02:31don't let anything in I don't let any complaints in I don't let any I'm tired in I just won't I know it's there but I just just bear down and really focus on breathing and bear down and focus on whatever I'm trying to do physically whatever the posture is dude for me it was uh my I'm working so much and all I care about is work it's all I think about all the time but when I go to yoga it's so hard it it takes my mind off what's going on so it's like a reset button but it is a I I feel the exact same way it does something there's something about holding poses and the difficulty and the focus that it requires to do it right it sort of erases your mind it cleans your mind out it's almost like a a car wash for your brain it's almost like a little reset where then it helps later in the day oh yeah it helps you like you you're so much less um I want to say reactive but

03:18you you're more relaxed when it comes to like outcomes of things you're more relaxed when it comes to interactions with people makes I I swear to God I think it makes you a nicer person I really I AG it opens you up I'm more opened I think it um you know I've been going for about 3 weeks now in Santa Monica when I first got there I literally no one talked to me they're like look at this meat head in here no one talked to me I was in the back I'd come out they'd have like their little groups and I'd just be on my own like damn it I know man racism is real Prejudice real it's not racism race of men RAC race of real men that's what it is they're racist against Real Men they're my friend human I want them over now though they're cool you want them over now yeah what's up Tina you know all that kind of yeah eventually you're going to get tea together man yeah you never

04:09know there's a place that I uh pass by in Santa Monica that has some yoga class but it's like a a factory that produces hot chicks with towels under their arm like what you want talk about mental toughness try not popping a boner in my yoga TR class straight up I get in there I'm like God damn the teacher goes eyes forward gaze forward oh my God she tells you that oh to everyone gaze forward wow they catch people staring at asses I'm sure I'm sure that's distracting as imagine if you're in your pose and some dude is staring at your crack I bet that's annoying if I was a chick I get it pissed it is dark in there though unless that's what I'm into some girls are into that I age they go and pretend they don't like it God I hate it when people look at you know it's weird it gives yeah God damn it how dare you I hate it your ass cheeks are hanging out the back doing downward dog um but the

04:59some the dudes in there you know God bless them they're not in great shape and they just say it they're in basically aunga gut out that's it yeah yeah there's this guy that goes to my class and I admire him he's this old fat white guy and he has it looks like probably never done a sport in his life he might not have even ever used the stairs he might have just used elevators his whole life I mean he looks like he's never even thought about exercise like nobody informed him what it was he just got behind a desk and started eating kind of Awesome then he hit like 60 and I don't know what you know what motivated him I've never had a conversation with him but this dude is in there grinding grinding shirt off shirt off bandana he wears a white bandana like the Karate Kid yes up gray balding you know the whole deal it's like the whole the hair is chaos and giant gut and gray hair all over his

05:52stomach and his tits he's in there CHS he's in there grinding that guy's in there grinding you know I appreciate the Hustle Man yeah he can't do it if he stumbles gets right back up tries it again gets to the position holds it stumbles gets right back up tries it again I'm way too vain to do any of that I hold the position like a like if I fall everyone's be like look at this I stick with it well there's levels for sure of of like commitment to a position right for sure and that's the the difference you see in people like there's this one girl in the class that I go to she's Indian and uh I think she's Indian Le she looks like she's Indian talking FEA Indian or Indian I'm talking people from the country India not Native Americans because I am politically correct me too man that's do indan I don't think they like to be defined that way I think they like

06:44dollar mday Indian okay you know who dollar Mandy is no no you don't oh my God to pull up the song tunic tunic tune this guy there's a a dude named dollar Mendy okay and he's like this Indian star guy and he's got at least one song I tried to listen to his other songs I couldn't get into them but he's got one song that one of my all-time favorite songs I don't know what the big over here you got pull up the video Pull up the video and show it to Brendan on this screen right here the one over here so we don't get kicked off of YouTube oh I hope he's awesome oh my God is he awesome dude you you not even believe this is a real dude you're gonna like this song I I I used to play this song when I worked at Fear Factor hold it start from the beginning just bunch of fire yes no the music and um right there and then give me some volume here we go look at the the shitty Graphics

07:44terrible asids are coming in look at this it's like artari look at this dude Che this AIO the you took the audio off do you think they will pull us for this yeah you think no look at this guy oh tell me two of him him and him in the video he's like you know what we need we need more of me I mean he's dressed in traditional Indian what looks like uh magician's Garb oh this is full a gladdin up in this come how awesome is this awesome you know what I like about it I have no idea what he's saying so it's it's like music that you make with your mouth is his other song Just dog I just couldn't get into him maybe someone needs to turn me into the right one look I'm sure he have some other hits it's like GD style you know gangdom Styles yeah that one yeah he came out with another one though is it a hit it's a pretty big hit really what's it called my daddy or something I got it from my

08:56daddy oh okay well people all you hate out there one hit one my ass you know Howard Stern was saying that once I was listening to him he was talking about that guy saying what's he going to do now it's like it's over for him I'm like how why would well this the other thing like maybe maybe it's over but why if the guy can do it once why can't like what is it that makes a one- hit wonder what is it like why does someone become a one hit wonder like what if you could put together like a banging song like there's a a series of one hit wonders like if you go to websites like the best ever one hit wonders but if you could put together like one of those unbelievable banging songs why can't you put together another one like I don't get it do you think Fame them up yeah like the struggle uhhuh same with a lot of things definitely that's that's but that's one ingredient

09:44in a giant poisonous stew a huge ingredient though it's a big one huge one it's also who wrote that song like what kind of collaboration you know did did the person who write that song did they write the rest of the songs true but a lot of times too like when a band gets big and they have like maybe one hit or one album and then you know Fame comes the tour comes they're busy uh some guy feels like he needs more notoriety drugs kick into play drugs is a big one man drugs a big one yeah especially the downers heroin and stuff and booze guys who just booze every night H just slowly pulls away it's also it's just it gets to a point where I think they're they're overwhelmed you know if you were a rock rock star and you're on stage and you're singing songs there's 25,000 people out there and they're all screaming you would be over it's over probably overwhelming could

10:38there be a better job though what it's tough you really don't have to train that much you know what I'm saying what don't get don't get me wrong don't get me wrong you got to practice but we're talking about practice you know what I'm saying we're talking about practice they practice man you ever seen you ever go to band practice and watch those guys go over songs sure it's way harder than being comedian I get that I'm compared to being an athlete like like like look at if Jay-Z want to have tits down to his ankles and eat hamburgers all day he could do it and still make great music like the discipline's different maybe but you can't here's the thing about being a fat you can get famous being a fat and people will love you as a fat like biggie but you can't start out like Snoop Dogg and then look like big then blow up you can't do that then you're a

11:27loser okay you know what I'm saying see what you're saying like we can't have evidence that you used to be healthy and then you're unhealthy we can't celebrate that can't Cate that that's what it is there's rules there's rules of perception you know the guy who doesn't give a has never given a that's why he's always been fat Biggie's always been fat you see when he was 17 he's wrapping on the corner he's th's fat yeah he's a thick kid he's never watched what he ate not a day not a moment in his life did he go ibly shouldn't eat that that's his thing yeah that's him that's him but if you looked like Tupac all six packed out and then you became like biggie nah but what what other job and I think this is why I'm obsessed with musicians it's it's something it's so uh it's something I don't understand it's the unknown to me right like any any athletic Endeavor

12:11whatever I get it hard work talent but musicians to me it's so in this kind of outer space World cuz i' I've never been musically gifted ever you know what I'm saying I don't get any of it so when I watch them what other job can you like you see like Amy win housee and these are terrible examples but Kurt Cobain just up get on stage and just kill it you know what I'm saying well they've been doing it so long though it's like a part of their memory you know they just know how to do it they just know how to do those songs and they get in there and they get in the groove and the music hits them and they just go with it and I think that her the hero I think that stuff has some magical properties when it comes to music I don't recommend doing it and I don't think that's the only way to make great music I think there's probably some safer safer Alternatives that also

12:59get you to a great place but there's so many people that did heroin that made insane music so many so many and what Amy wi housee apparently it was booze was the one that killed her booze was big did you see her documentary Amy man that sh you see it that is amazing heard aw amazing it's a real bummer man super bummer cuz she finally kind of gets sober I mean I'm not this isn't a spoiler alert she everyone knows she's dead but she finally gets uh sober and she's kind of doing right the right things and then her manager and dad were like yo you need to go back on tour and she's like I'm telling you this is a bad idea man cuz when on tour is what I want to use cuz I hate being away they put her on tour and that's what did it so they did they say she need to go on tour because she needed money is that what it was no she just had prior commitments they're like you owe it to them and

13:45that's when she goes on I think it's Germany where she's just so up falls off stage and she like forgets the words and they start booing her yeah self- sabotage yeah it was horrible man it's so tough to watch well you know it's interesting we had steo on the podcast and Ste went through a pretty lengthy detoxification sort of thing you know he he got he got sober and then he went through this like lengthy rehab and like at a Livin place and you know he went into great detail about it and about how long it took him till he was like legitimately sober like confident had a good foundation he was like legitimately sober and now he tours and does all these kinds of things which is crazy he still does that sober like to inflict that pain when he's dead sober now to me he crazy he's out of his mind he's definitely out of his mind but he when he's doing all this you know he's he's

14:35like confident that he's not going to start using again I think when you're like someone like Amy and you just clear of it and then the pressure of doing those performances it's the Temptation right like you just can't be around it like like uh steo doesn't even drink right he won't do anything I don't think he does anything he does nothing nothing yeah I think that's how it has to be I don't know for him I think everybody's got their own thing like I know dudes who have had problems with booze and uh uh then they quit the booze and then they'll start smoking weed one day and then they're like oh I can handle this like I have friends like that and I know uh like Anthony Bourdain has famously had a problem with Heroin but he drinks he drinks loves weed and he's fine he's fine he's not even remotely an alcoholic he doesn't drink when he's at home like

15:19you could say he enjoys alcohol he's an he's an alcohol enthusiest big difference though but yeah he doesn't he physical addic yeah big difference yeah he talks about how when he's home he doesn't drink he just doesn't drink you know and he doesn't need it that's crazy discipline I don't think it's discipline I think I think there's a well I most certainly is discipline that he just chooses not to but it's also an ethic but it's also I think we're talking about like a physical need like a physical addiction and he doesn't have that some people do though some people do they get a little bit of alcohol in them and then they're and they can't stop can't stop they can't function I've met them I know it's true I know people I've met people like that rather I know it's true I know they do it do you have an addictive personality not with booze no no not at all with

16:04what about marijuana no neither one no I I can you could stop right now well I enjoy them I enjoy them difference but like if I go on vacation I don't take weed with me if I go away I'm with my family most of the time I don't take with me sometimes I'll take like a breath strip for the flight or if I get a crazy idea and I have to write something down everybody's asleep I'll pop a breath strip in nothing wrong Journey go on a little journey get creative man but would you say you're addicted to work though there's different kind of addictions you know what I'm saying no definitely not really no I enoy feel like you're the hardest working guy I know but I enjoy it I get that but it's not addictive like I could quit I could quit all of it except comedy I think I mean I could do that too I could quit that but that would bum me out comedy's the most fun but everything else even the most fun

16:50aspects of it I could walk away from like like what's the most fun aspect about the UFC is actually watching the fights 100% it's not working yeah that's not most fun aspect of it like being literally the best seat in the house watching the best fighters in the world that is the best part of it but the the Talking part actually makes it less enjoyable the working part makes the fights less enjoyable I bet man like I enjoy the fights more when we're doing these fight companions than any other time me too we're all hanging we're watch and we we're broadcasting too there's like this extra element because it's going out there too we know people are laughing with us for sure man yeah but the when I whenever I go to the fights when I'm physically there I have as good of a time I I think for me cuz you know I've been in there I I get these nerves and this stress and so for

17:36me I don't enjoy it so like this weekend I can't tell you how many times when I was at Fox oh see you at the fight like I won't be there man I'd rather stay here and watch it well this's other thing about watching at home you get the perfect angles you're seeing it from inside the cage whereas from outside the cage you're looking through the fence and that's people you don't consider that until you go there and you go oh you got to look through the fence to see the fights like I've seen some of the greatest fights of all time up close but through a fence where's a lot of people that are watching it at home like there's there's a thing you have to do when you're looking through a fence you're not focusing on the thing that's closest to you you're focusing on the thing that's past you so you always have this peripheral distraction that fence is always going to be there well be

18:20being being cage side isn't the best seat it's the most expensive seat in the house but really it's almost you almost want to be in that that first middle tier so you have this you so you're over the cage does that make sense yes 100% And that's especially for boxing 100% for boxing boxing has a way better viewing um position than the UFC because um the Rings are low and you can see every punch that lands to the face like super clear there's never an obstruction whereas like even me being right there at the desk if someone's behind a post like you'll see me sometimes I have to get on top of the table I get up on the table and I'm like looking here to make sure like if I need to know if like a camera is not showing me where a hand position is if someone's going for a guillotine I don't know if they have their hands clasp or something I I I have to physically get up and move

19:09sometimes and I'm right there you know when you're at home there's you you're you're watching that clean and sometimes I feel like when you're at home you're getting those best angles it makes the fight even if it was a phenomenal fight that much more epic cuz you're seeing it you know what I'm saying like when you're person it's kind of hard to kind of see break down what you've actually seen when you see it clear on camera and they're doing the replays you're like holy and you hear it better you hear it better cuz you're you got a microphone Inside the Cage so you hear those whack you know like we'll play some shots sometimes like we're going to play this back so you can hear it so you just can hear like a knee slamming into someone's ribs or something like that like um Kyle no I think we did that in his uh knockout in Australia that front kick to the body he

19:54shot this perfect front kick to the body and the dude just went Peter sabata like he made this like ah like you can hear it nothing he can do but you hear the slap of the ball of his his foot just slamming into that dude's body it was like a perfect front kick KY Oak looks great that's the thing a lot of those shots when you can you that especially heavy weighs oh yeah you're not going to hear them that good inside the actual Arena itself there's so much crowd noise it's like unless you're right there it's hard to hear like if you even and you're on the first tier it's hard to hear the impact with everybody yelling and all that screaming yeah I don't know when I'll go to another live event for me it's too stressful even football games tough for me to go to but nothing the UFC it's just so intense and for me it gives me these nerves being right back there even Hotel I hate staying in

20:41hotels because of the stress of fight week I hate it ask call when K and I go on the road I always look for an Airbnb house because I hate hotels wow because I get super stressed I get anxiety is that isn't that rough oh you want to go on vacation with me no no wow don't I know it's an issue that's funny I know man that's a weird issue yeah it is the thing about being there live though is the energy in the room that you get where it's like it feels like history like there's been some fights where I was at or I was like taking it all and like wow I just witnessed some history when Weidman knocked out Anderson I remember when like when Anderson went down and Wyman was just playing basketball with his head bom bom b boom and and it was sinking in my God Anderson is out cold this is real like it didn't seem real until you know how when like something that's

21:34truly spectacular like that happens it almost doesn't seem real as it's going on looks like a video game yeah well especially because Anderson had beaten everybody for so long we had got it in our head that Anderson wins Anderson beats everybody Anderson beats Stephan Bonner it looked like he was going to lose the chel son it throws up that triangle and catches him Anderson beats this guy Anderson knocks out veto with the front kick and then you see that Chris Weidman left hook just crank just crank on his chin and then you see Anderson's eyes roll back and you're like your brain is trying to process it like am I seeing this is this real and then he's down and I'm like and then I remember whatever noises I make like oh oh and then widman's on top of them boom boom boom and they stop the fight and I go oh my God crazy like you just realize did this did I just say

22:24this I think there's there's no other live sporting event better than a good solid UFC fight there's no better live event like this weekend UFC 194 obviously it's sold out but that will be the best live event to go to there's by far there's nothing like now on the other end of that if it's a sleeper if it's a rough night it is the worst event to go to if they're all decisions like all in their it's a long night it gets really boring it can get boring yes complet I mean it's like anything but it's tough man you know what I think is a tough thing when they have fights in high altitude you know like unless you got all Colorado guys and Albuquerque guys and they're fighting in Denver like man well who the thought to put Mark hunt and Ben Rothwell in Denver was like you know what sign them up for Denver and then how about this they then they go put Mark hunt with Fabricio in Mexico

23:18City which is 2,000 feet above Denver oh and you give him like a six day no 300 lb and he almost won talk well Warrior yeah came out in the first round almost won you know and then comes out in the steepe miic fight out of shape you know gets beaten down in that fight and great oh my God fantastic shap he didn't even have to cut any weight at all to make 265 well I saw they just announced uh verdom uh Kane February I think or six that's the Super Bowl weekend that's when Jamie does all his gambling look at him I hear that smiling look at him football gambling get crazy gets Scrooge McDuck in his brain did they anounce where that fight's at is it Vegas Vegas Fight for sure I couldn't imagine it being anywhere else a fight like that that's a big fight there's going to be a lot of betting unless it's in Brazil don't don't Honey dick Kane and make him go to

24:10Brazil let's let him let's keep him in Vegas listen man what Kane is one of my favorite all-time Fighters however he's not the champ anymore The champ is Fabricio verdom and if Fabricio verdom wants a fight in Brazil and what if he's only going to have one title fight ever who knows hey homeboy like that ask Holly out is to being champ listen they said hey real quick Holly uh just a reminder you ain't you're going to fight when Rhonda's ready so we're going to do it in July how rude tell me about it I I didn't make this decision I'm just saying the champ really a lot of times unless your name's Conor McGregor Ronda Rousey you don't have to say well it is such a different scenario than it is in boxing but in boxing there are some parallels like you saw Tyson Fury beat Vladimir Klitschko did you see that bizarre fight like it's beat the out of him but Vladimir Klitschko

25:01like forgot how to box he I think age caught up with him just overnight he looked like pure and Tyson's tough to fight man yeah he's tough well he's undefeated he's on but he but he's undefeated he's taller than Klitschko he's very awward he didn't really respect him he's playing these games I I don't know it looked like something was wrong with klitschko's right hand did it he didn't throw anything he threw nothing I think he was worried I think I age he couldn't get the talking I think the talking got to him the guy constantly talk with his emotions you know and I think he go he's all wound up tight I think that's a big big issue with Fighters big issue even with Klitschko though he's been through the ringer he's lost in 10 years doesn't matter that kind of talking that kind of disrespectful talking Saturday Aldo's a different guy I think Aldo Klitschko

25:48you're talking about Olympic gold medalist yes but Klitschko has been a guy that they have labeled as a guy who has issues with mental toughness he got knocked out by Cory what the is his name I want to say Cory Anderson what the hell no not Cory Anderson um the South African guy knocked him out Lamont Brewster knocked him out too both guys knocked him out and you know the guys were saying like that he had issues with mental toughness that was the rap on him this is not my opinion this is the this is like the the boxing insiders that knew him from the gym would say these things and that was one of the things that they brought up in this fight that Tyson Fury believed from talking to people that trained with Klitschko at Emanuel with Emanuel Stewart that Klitschko could be broken he could be bullied he could be with you can get inside his head you know no one's

26:38been a to do for 10 years first guy no one's been able to do it for 10 years yeah I mean look tell fuckb both these boys and he fights Saturday night that Anthony Joshua guy from England I'm telling you man did you look this kid up yeah I did yeah he looks terrifying god dog and you know who everybody's ducking Shannon Briggs they really are they don't want none of that that I mean he's older but yeah he's he's 43 years old but he is still packing some serious power and he's got a he's got a wicked left hook to the body he's got skillful like skillful delivery of punches that is unparalleled in that Division I think if you watch the way he delivers combinations he can deliver a onew vicious left hook to the body that there's not a lot of guys in that division could do it's craft I know but it's hard to sell a 43y old oh yeah it is being your chance Cory Sanders that's

27:29who it is thank you um um pull up uh the last fight Shannon Briggs last fight dude he's fighting a guy who does not deserve to be in the ring with him right he's a former world champion and at one time he's like one of the the biggest prospects in the heavyweight division but he hits this dude with a onew like a gentle onew and then pop just pops him on the left hook left hook the liver and the guy goes his body just crumbles it's the way he delivers it like there's a fluidity to his left H like Nikki holin you ever seen Nikki holin throw that left hook oh proba the best left hook in the world that left hook is a goddamn thing of beauty it's from the heavens yes it's the way Nikki throws it too it's like he he gets you thinking about these head punches and then snap just snaps it in like right in the pocket in that liver shot you know they not to go back to

28:18them but you know they took Tyson Fury's title away CU was going say yeah that's what I was going to say like in MMA you can't really you can't look at it that way watch well I guess we're going to see a replay but why don't you bring it back to the beginning Jamie so you could watch it from the beginning o Briggs is Jack son different angles for it well let's can we go to the beginning of the video just go all the way to the beginning there you go right to the beginning but look at this that's it that's exactly what I was looking for do that again play that again play that again but but just watch the fluidity po watch this Come On Son nasty pop pop and then that left hook under the arm come who the who boxes like him in the heavyweight division I would say one more time do that thing from the beginning look at that that the the the whipping fluidity to his punches

29:07you know like he's got like this real refined style of punching do it pray he's going to struggle with a younger guy like that Joshua or Dante Wilder though they're not going to sit there that's true they're going to push a hard Pace they're going to get in his face that guy he's fighting got he got straight off the bus and put onass yeah that's nasty yeah but you know he had hard time with vital Klitschko vital Klitschko beat him up but I don't know if he was working as hard back then as he was now he's sort of like a reborn kind of a guy yeah you know good for him man he's got all these motivational videos online too like he's an interesting guy he puts up these I am too I too I want to see him get a shot before he's too old you know he's 43 going be tough man dude Tyson Fury would be some wild that would be a wild ass sh talking him and uh Deontay Wilder

29:54that' be another wild fight dude I'm trying to see Deontay Wild Wilder and that Joshua guy yeah that would be interesting it's F but boxing man not right and it's it takes forever for anything to work out did you see Canelo Alvarez yes Miguel Cotto how good did Alvarez look Jesus Christ he looked good he looked good to me he's not the Savior like he's not the Mexican savior that we're all looking for he could not yet not yet I I if I'm if I'm canelo's Camp you're not fighting Triple G next we're not doing that that's a bad idea as a fan I'm like yeah fight you know what the problem with the Triple G Fight is as an as like if I was a promoter I would say that guy only sold 145,000 pay-per-views in his last fight like nobody knows who the he is yet he's dangerous as he's dangerous as and if you're going to have that fight that should be maximized agree when

30:44Floyd and Manny they almost missed the boat right cuz Floyd or oh they missed the boat well they kind of did but they still they still hit it pretty goddamn hard it was the biggest fight ever it went big I'm just saying it could have been bigger if they did two years ago they got lucky and they they pulled it back once Manny came back and won some fights and looked really good but if you look at that division right now you know like if you look at like if you look at canelo's fight with Floyd you know that was like a good fight for Canelo to learn he's like real young he's trying to figure it out too much too much for mainam yeah but if you look at like Gennady Golovkin is a totally different kind of a guy he's like he's a dangerous he's ready no he's ready to go like he's ready to fight anyone in the world and beat him right now canelo's not at that stage yet he

31:34might be though yeah after being an older Cotto yeah but he looked good he looked good he was showing all kinds of skills that he hadn't shown before that counter uppercut he was doing a lot of nasty stuff and he hits hard he scares guys cuz he doesn't throw a lot of half speed stuff he doesn't lot St yeah it's just it's an assault you know and you feel that like that pressure right off the beginning like he puts his pressure on Cotto and that pressure is always there it's a part of the fight it's like his power and his his presence they they they are an an added element that that Cotto has to consider that he didn't have to consider with Cotto like with Cotto he had a minus PS and q's he had to use a good defense and you know he had a be he had to stay on him but he's really only dealing with a left hook Cotto really never hurts guys that bad with his right hand but he has got

32:23very nasty left hook but he's really been fighting smaller guys say he's a lot smaller's thing even if he was Landing Canelo didn't respect he just walk through it canelo's like probably a buck 70 when he's walking around he's tiny I've done stuff I've done Cano or Cotto Cotto Cotto's tiny sorry I've done uh campaigns with that guy and he is Tiny what is he like 55 5'6 5'6 probably 155 in shape right yes yeah and Canelo cuts down and then probably gets in the 170s right he's a big boy's a big boy big for that weight class and that's why Floyd wanted a catchweight fight with him right exactly yeah and that's why they did a catch weight with Cotto and Canelo yes see we got to weaken that kid you know weaken him to get him down there see but I the the the thing I do like about boxing is by the time these guys reach their potential they've had like 20 or 30 fights you know what I'm

33:15saying like they've had a lot of experience they're ready for that next step in the UFC we don't have that really we just have that like look at Paige and uh rose rose I think is what three and two or some like that and they're headlining yeah it's tough man well that's also the women's division is a little bit less experienced not a little a lot less experienced than the men's division there's that that's a bad example but like uh at least Sage North cut like I mean you want to talk about a mismatch this this fight how dare you what's that face he's out there his mom's out there how dare you parents are watching I am Ian I know Sage is gonna kick his head off I mean that fight is tailor made for him we'll see but but but I'm just saying it's a good I'm not saying an easy f one of those YouTube videos Cody Fister on top grounding pounding out in 30 seconds ch's like

34:05me oh I know right oh there you go sh way to go you sh man you didn't call the Ronda fight either you idiot um I'm just saying I I I like this step for sage right like it's a good progression in his career well he's in a deep deep deep deep deep division he jack Bo in sh we need a new word we need a new word jacked and shredded cuz he's like some new thing he doesn't have any fat he has no fat and he I can't think that's healthy I got to think that like some fat is probably like good for your body it's good for cardio too yeah it's good for your cardio uh well it's also like depending on what your body's using for fuel like what are you using for fuel is your body using fat or is your body using glucose cuz you're not getting any glucose in a five round fight oh look at this boy I mean he looks like you just be the lead singer of a boy band now somebody

34:56on the Underground I forget with the the exact quote that he looks like I'm I'm going to butcher this cuz I I don't have it in front of me but they said something like he looked like a boy band an American Eagle whoever that is that said that I'm sorry I didn't give you credit this kid just shreded think he said something like someone from insync an American Eagle yeah it's true yeah yeah I mean I don't know I mean sake how long do you think he can keep away cuz it's to be like a swarm of malaria ridden mosquitoes flying into his hotel room think about every what every girl wants to get with this and he's in he's at T&M I don't know if you ever seen the smoke shows at T&M those are my favorite girls but they're the best God bless them yes D in Australians yeah Australians get wild I just feel like homeboy he's going to have to break at some point but you

35:51know what's weird is do you see the article on his dad I heard but I didn't I didn't bothered digging in cuz I figured you know what I don't even want to read this I mean it's just his dad has you know apparently a dark past that has nothing to do with him they just assume that his dad has this weird past that Sage is on some I don't think so the kids too young PA what is the path uh path I think you went to prison like for uh 10 plus years for uh selling steroids and other stuff and cocaine right yes yeah well that's a good combination if you want to be really angry and strong especially if you're in Pride especially if you're in Pride it's a hell of a drug I think you win a belt yeah I I hope it doesn't have anything to do with him I hope his dad I'm sure come on he's just a freak man could be you know well he's also been training since he was five and the you know

36:38here's the thing about steroids you need a lot more than that to look like that to be that it's genetics it's genetics and it's insane work yes there's just no way around it I'd say more genetics than anything at his age I think a strict diet for the majority of his life I mean he's been eating like lean chicken like he he details like what he eats he's been yeah yeah yeah I mean he's in college too so I'm sure after this fight he's he's balls deep in Chipotle or something I don't think he is man I think he's one of those guys oh those guys are tough to hang out those are scary those guys are tough toang well look at him he's got this like this glow just like yeah everything's amazing you know still coming out of the yeah like he has no idea he's never seen anything dark in his life did you see him deadlift 500 lb or some does he really he like looks at the camera he's

37:26like hey everybody he just like Jes and sets it down well we were waiting for these guys to start showing up these guys who's who have been a project by some overzealous father who has a martial arts background takes the kids yeah well you don't want that guy you know what I'm saying maybe he did in the 80s like you tap in the '90s when when did Tap Out start if if he had a Tap Out shirt in like 98 I'll accept it and he's watching just Rich Franklin what is that why show look at him look he's like hey there you go hey check this out everyone yeah that's real look hey that guy lifted 500 lb like it's nothing kouche I don't know how much that is it looks like a shitload though that's a lot of weight I don't know who that is what is that I'm not mad at that girl sticking her ass out holy Jesus Mo yeah that's a strong he's uh he's definitely talented got a lot of

38:14techniques too and he's really good at transitioning between striking and grappling but what I was going to say we we we get on this long cirous route is that someone like a Holly Holm is not in the position like a Tyson Fury is or Tyson Fury can say it I don't want to fight this Russian cat but hold on let me finish let me finish she he's he can say Tyson Fury could say I don't want to fight this Russian dude and they well it we're stripping you the title he's like whatever I know I'm still a champ everybody knows I'm the champ I just beat Vladimir Klitschko you like he can do that and get away with it and he can go to Bob arum or he can go to to you know Golden Boy or The Money Team you know what I mean there's all these different promoters Floyd maywe for no I'm with all these different promoters that will put on excellent fights that are big pay-per-view events that HBO can show

39:04that's the difference with the UFC it's the UFC there's one game in town so if Holly Holm says you know what um I'm not waiting for Ronda Rousey I'm fighting Misha Tate put the fight together can't do it really I disagree but this is what I'm saying how can she she can say listen if you don't give me a fight before then come July I'm not doing oh and your biggest payday I'm not doing anything you can't do that because cuz she's got a contract I'm sure she has a contract and I'm they can't find her I don't know what the contract says when you're the champion do you I would assume that it says something they they must have to get it in writing in some way that you're obligated to defend your title against a challenger of their choosing I I would assume okay if I was going to run a promotion like the UFC that's fine I'm just saying if if if let's say if I'm J

39:58Jones or if I'm look at Rhonda's calling the shots my man I don't know if you guys realiz Rhonda's basically listen I have this movie here I need to fight here that's how this is going down okay let me correct and I'm saying with Holly let me correct you that's this is not that's not what's going on what's going on is a number that number is 200 UFC 200 they want to make it the biggest UFC the world has ever known they're already advertising it okay you'll see these big like big images it just comes on July 2016 UFC 200 there's no other hold on there's no other number that's like that that they're looking towards this thing then there's also this gigantic Arena that's opening up in Vegas in April so they know that that's where they're going to do it and they know they're going to do it in July so this is what's motivating I get that Joe if you don't think that

40:48they're the ones that are guiding this to July and not Ronda guarantee you it's them I'm not saying that I'm saying previously before ronda's been able to with movies and everything decide when she fights yeah well not now though no not now this is whatever I don't know what how how if her Jaws messed up or what with this now I'm just saying if I'm Holly she has more power than she thinks yes and no cuz cuz if someone was out that long cuz it's a long time you know what I'm saying but but the but from a business standpoint I'm with Dana White that fight has to happen you can't have Holly fight anyone else see I disagree really yep yeah I disagree tell watch how many pay-per-views Holly versus Misha SS okay listen first of all this is what I think this is my personal opinion all right this are just this are just opinions think you're crazy to not have

41:36more than one Superstar okay and I think Holly has a legit possibility of being a superstar legit she has everything going for her she's a preacher's daughter she is very well spoken she's very calm and she's got a great personality and she's sweet and people root for her and in the face of all the craziness and the trash talk the media obligations and the pressure she showed character and she never cracked and when she got in there she performed like a world class fighter and became the new Champion that that's a potential Superstar okay for sure and if Rond is going to be out for this long amount of time why rusher why I mean if July okay you're talking about July right we're in December January February March April May June July 7 months she just said in an interview that she's not going to be able to eat an apple for 6 months forget about taking impact so how

42:28is that going to happen in July and have her be at her Optimum how is it going to happen I don't know you but I don't know what that I don't know who's I haven't talked to anybody I don't know but this is what my personal opinion Holly Holm could be a monster she could be a monster and she could be a monster on the level of any champion in Combat Sports any champion in the UFC she can if Holly Holm just goes on to dominate the way Ronda dominated and we all that she knocked Rhonda out if she gets in there and fights fill in the blank fill in whatever girl's name and head kicks her into Oblivion on television everybody's like holy we got a new one Ronda didn't become Ronda immediately she became Ronda with a series of spectacular victories true Holly Holm strings a few of those together you got another gigantic Dynamo then when Rhonda's ready to come back and she's

43:20100% healed and healthy and has made some corrections and really worked on fixing whatever holes were exposed during during her game then you have this m Monumental super fight and if Misha wins then you've got a crazy love triangle here no see this and this all sounds great I'm saying no cuz this all sounds great inless Holly and Misha fight or Holly fight Cyborg and she loses your biggest payday goes out the window Cyborg's out the window cuz she now she's saying she's not going to make 135 she what all right let's just look look what we got here Misha okay Misha wins if Misha beats Holly Holm and then Misha wants to fight R Ronda again and then they make Misha Rhonda you're good you're crazy what the are you talking about fight standing and out strikes her they've already fought twice that's true you tell me tell me that's going to break records me should take be an

44:13interesting fight no no no I didn't ask that I think it could be break records I don't know if it'll break records the thing that breaks record is Holly yes Hol Rhonda is your money fight but if Holly you got I think the long game is if Holly gets even better if she gets even more recognition and Rhonda fully heals up and you also give a chance for Mesa Tate to take that title you you run a risk but I think even if Mesa Tate beats Holly and they have a three round rematch between or a five round Main Event rematch non-title fight if Misha's got the strap and Holly and Ronda go at it in a five rounder that would still be bananas gigantic I agree everybody makes money you get more Superstar Stars you get more more like highlevel like Marquee matchups don't you think that cuz I don't think R's has three or four fights left in her so this whole Round Rob say because she said if

45:10I lose to Holly I'm going to retire so by even saying if I fight Holly and I Lose I'm going to retire she said that she said that in a recent interview she go if I were to lose to Holly I'm done I I retire wow yeah I'm not making that up so when as soon as someone says if this were to happen I'm going to retire that means you're already thinking at the end of the road so there's going to be no round robin so the short game and the big payday and the short scheme is Ronda Holly so I get the July weight I'm just saying it sucks for Holly that's the only person that loses in this is Holly I think I think July is uh is going to be tricky if ronda's telling if she's honest or if she's accurate rather about how long it's going to take her to heal up she she just got cleared she just got cleared but she also did an interview where she said she's not going to be

45:55able to eat an apple I know that's I don't understand that's what I'm saying and she's also staying with uh I forget his name now uh homeboy Edmond she's staying with Edmond too so that's another thing so she's staying with Edmond and this is the issue where do you think she should go I have no idea if I if I had a plan I I would tell you Joe but she has to get better and I think the everyone's doing her disservice including Dana White including Edmond saying you just had you've been so busy all this stress cuz all it is Rhonda Rhonda Rhonda can we give Holly the credit say hly just better man and for Rhonda to beat her she has to get better in Striking that's the only way she's going to beat her if you think she's going to beat her by grappling you're full of it's not going to happen so to fight in july and she's shooting a movie really and she's staying with the same trainer why do you

46:42think that outcomes going to be different well it could well first of all I disagree that she couldn't beat her in grappling I think it's very possible that she could catch her with something it's very possible there could be a scramble and she can catch her 100% it's possible but why you say it's not then I'm saying the chances of her beating Holly cuz her only chance to Grapple right okay so let's say that doesn't work again and we're back to standup okay so why why would you think of continuing what you're doing is going to be any different but wouldn't you say she has a distinct advantage in grappling if he goes down there if it goes down there right but wouldn't you say that like Holly's only been grappling for a few years 100% Holly's never been taken down well she was down in this fight but it was really she was on top took she took Rhonda down and the

47:25one time where Rhonda was going the armar rabus on the bottom mhm um but theoretically I mean at least if you looked at the two of them in terms of just raw grappling you would have to think that ronda's got a much higher level of game 100% if she didn't get tagged the way she got tagged in that fight it is a big F it's a giant F it's almost if you take away Holly's phenomenal striking yeah we then then you don't no you don't have to take away or striking you just have to avoid it you have to figure out a way to avoid it and one of the ways to avoid is not go head on like you look at the Rael Pennington fight Raquel fought a much more conservative fight with Holly and that was a different it's a different demeanor you're talking about footwork angles less aggressive that's not how Ronda got this famous it's true but but that doesn't mean anything it's like

48:13what do you have to do to win forget about what got you famous what do you what's the the best tactical technical approach to fighting someone who is as talented a striker as Holly and do do you have that do you have that skill set in seven months that's good question do you have the skill set to get great footwork avoid Holly strike and get her down to the ground and we know that there's only a couple ways to develop the kind of movement that she's going to have to get and one of those is sparring 100% like you're going to have to spar so you're going to have to be able to get hit and if you have five six months where you can't get I mean who knows she might have overestimated that they might like look at it again in a couple months might heal up quick maybe there's some things they can do to help it heal up who knows who knows but if if she say if she was fine

48:57if she's fine now like didn't have any teeth problems didn't have any of that like how long do you think she should wait before she starts getting hit after a vicious Flatline head kick knockout from one of the best kickboxers in the female bantamweight division right I mean the best the she's the actually let's call her the best between her and Germaine Rond yes who's a outstanding Muay Tha Champion World multiple time world champion but she hasn't been as successful in MMA but she is a nasty M Striker that was actually that's actually an interesting matchup her and Holly phenomenal match phenomenal matchup if more people knew who Rond is it would it would be really be a very interesting fight to set up but I think that man that level the level of kickboxing is is very dangerous her her head kicks that she hides behind those punches you go back and watch Holly's

49:49early fights she gets those hands in front of you and that that left high kick comes out of nowhere in a perfect world I would say probably six months without any contact six months without any contact can't do that though that's a smart move can't do that if you're fighting seven months well shouldn't it always be in a perfect mood or in a perfect world and and shouldn't like if there's outside pressure the outside pressure they should they should stop and think about what the they're doing I I really believe that I should I think they should make sure look if if Ronda is going to perform at her best you should have everything lined up so you know she's good to go before anything gets set up everything should be lined up well well yeah I agree everything should be lined up there should be no again we're talking out of our ass we haven't talked to Rhonda we don't know I have no idea this

50:34is from an interview she did and people tell this I don't I tried to avoid this but uh did you see the other thing she said in the interview that she was out from the first punch no I didn't see that she said she got cracked by that first punch and she's basically had no rec survival instincts she's didn't know but is that is how does she know that here's the thing do when you get head kicked like that right you forget a lot of things your memory becomes this weird blur of events it's it's very hard to discern exactly what things took place in what order after you been head kicked like that you know like if you like if you had fights like Lavar Johnson fight perfect example you fought a scary dude and you fought super smart you got in on that and you took him down over and over again you controlled you controlled the fight controlled it perfectly so you got out

51:28of that fight with a perfect recollection of how it went down right but you've had fights before where after the fight like the Roy Nelson fight Roy Nelson uh Crow cop even though I won the crow cop fight when I look back I'm like what like someone kept someone was telling me how I took him down I'm like I did I don't remember that the Travis Brown fight I thought it was the uppercut that really me up but it was when I went for a take down he sprawled I landed on my neck after watching I remember that's when I was really up cuz it land on my neck and it rattled rattled me so that's how TJ Grant got his concussion same exact way yeah people don't realize that like you know when two guys are shooting one guy's shooting for takedown other guy trying to defend that hip to the face that's super common super common get your bell I very rarely watch my fights

52:13back and then I watch this the my the trash Brown fight probably like I don't know right after the fight and uh I watch him like oh I'm not the same guy oh my I'm Different got rattled you got rattled with that and then you got rattled again with the punch yeah after it red me then I I can I I watch my movement and I'm I'm real slow and our whole game plan was to avoid getting back to the cage I go straight back to the cage and hands down it's like that's not me we trained 12 weeks to avoid that yeah trauma manck so in a perfect world with Ronda it's it's 6 months and um you know it's six months I wonder what a neurologist would say me too expert someone who really understands head trauma from like a physical like just just breaking it down to the actual physical components of the brain and all the connective tissue and what kind of damage was done and you look at it with

53:06an MRI and you find look for inflammation and what what are the issues I agree I think uh I'll tell I'll tell you this though if there's anyone who can pull it out of her ass and get a win with that amount of time at six months with that schedule it's Ronda Rousey with her tenacity and everyone's saying oh she should have left the camp for her that that's fire for the fuel so for her I think fuel for the fire fuel for the fire my bad she's going to yeah she's going to use that and and really take it to another level which is scary but at the same time is that the best way to go I I don't think so it is interesting in in the UFC as opposed to other Combat Sports where the in other Combat Sports the champion is in the driver's seat like Roy Jones Jr when Roy Jones Jr was the champ of the world there was the Roy Jones Show okay he was in the goddamn driver seat and everybody

53:56else just you got to wait with your warm wet towel to wash his balls and someone else got to be there with a towel to dry them off like this the Roy Jones junor Show okay whoever wants it is it HBO is it pay-per-view yeah but they're lining up to see Roy Jones it's not the you know WBC you know WBC boxing it didn't mean out he could have thrown those belts in the trash and fought everybody we still watch nobody would have cared nobody I think I think I I think with holl it's tough cuz she she has this tremendous skill set and she's such a good person but you know it's kind of like the Chris Weidman effect they're so damn good but now we see the Conor McGregor and the Ronda Rouse he's like Holly right ronda's on The Who and I took all the seat because I said I I don't think there's any other girl who can carry a pay-per-view Main Event like Ronda right

54:43now that it's just not going to happen so I get all this heat and I I know you disagree a little bit I got all this heat but uh Holly just beat Ronda right Holly's on top of the world Holly's not on the front cover us be in the magazine Holly's not doing interviews like r happened it just happened I'm I'm just saying yeah but this is just it's just this just happened Holly is now the thing in MMA she's the number one story no no no no no that's not true she's the number one story Ronda number no the girl who knocked out Rhonda is the number one story cuz she's the winner in this I disagree I I disagree with you because she's the winner in this she's the successor she might not be as famous as Rhonda but she's got the momentum she's the winner she's the one right now who's the champion she's the one right now the people like wow what a performance by Holly Holm eyes are on

55:30her now as far as an athlete and a fighter I think all eyes are on Rhonda can't she bounced back from this there's going to be there's going to be that too's way more than that but Ronda lost in that fight Holly won Holly is the story right now she's the winner other than Aldo and McGregor and for the hardcore fans Wyman and rockold Holly Holm is the story she's the story I agree she should be in my eyes she's the story I agree should get more notoriety than anyone right now I think that and I think if marketed correctly she has the potential to be gigantic could she be as big as Ronda is Ronda as big as she is because she's an antagonist is she as big as she is because she's the person who says all that crazy with girls way and you know she's got that you know attitude about her and comes out to that Joan Jet song and was beating girls asses and was pulling it off is that

56:22what it was check check check check Che but when a holly Hol comes along and shows you an alternative approach and an approach that ultimately is more successful against that one person we have one fight and know that white fight one fight between the two of them Holly's Flawless right Flawless performance why but doesn't make any sense I mean is there we do we have a limited amount of Superstars is there a limited amount of female Champs that become huge I think no I think Holly has all the ingredients she's not the it's not going to be the same kind of star because I I doubt there will be as many people hater but that hate also fueled pay-per-view buys people that were happy when Ronda lost it was all this extra reality TV that's going on with uh a Ronda Rousey she crossed over to pop culture so everyone's chiming in she crossed over not I mean it's like she became like this cultural

57:13icon globally she became a big and the first woman ever that was like this ass kicker like that that looked like her there's never been one of those before agree so Holly comes along Holly's going to be a different kind of star she can be a big star I think H's going to be a big star she's not going to be a Rhonda star she's not going to get the payview numbers like Ronda I don't know about that man that's just my hopefully I'm wrong hopefully I'm wrong I love Hol I think Holly's the greatest thing to happened in the women's division in a long long time she's a great person and if I had a daughter I can point to Holly and say that's you can act like her this is good I agree and we can't say that for a very long time right I agree 100% she's a a a classic example of like an honorable mixed martial arts competitor that's what you want she's a true martial artist and she acts like a true

58:01champion right true Pro I think that with the right fights she could be gigantic so this is her mainstream coming out party right she knocks out Ronda Rousey this giant upset this huge performance she looks spectacular this is a coming out party and then she fights someone else you don't necessarily have to have this rematch right away and I think this also sets the seeds up for other people to get attention like cats Zano who knocked out Mesa Tate remember that fight if cat singano didn't charge after Ronda like that what if cat was able to stuff the taked down and turn that fight into a brawl who knows what fight we missed out on because Cat decided to throw a crazy flying knee worst game plan of all time UFC she she probably meant that to you 100% she will she is a badass that girl is a badass super you watch that that fight with Mesa Tate when she hits her with

58:53that overhand elbow whack I mean see she's nasty see I think and and they're all so close in the women's division at 135 I think col's going to struggle with Tate and Cat I think she's the perfect Achilles heel for Rhonda I think these other matchups are a lot tougher for her they might be and sometimes that's interesting sometimes I Styles make fights for us the media needs a dominant Champion man to be a superstar you need to be dominant yeah I don't know man I think rivalries are great too sugar Leonard when he lost to Roberto Durant got even more famous and then when they did it again in the rematch the no Moss fight that fight was gigantic no yeah those guys are badass I don't think uh cat Zeno and and you can compare cat Zeno and those guys respectfully I agree just can't I agree skill wise you're right you're right I'm with you those are phenomenal fights we're talking about

59:44moments in time where people are popular where they're fighting I'm saying for the women division right now tent Dom champ you need a dominant like Len if Holly goes out and face kicks Tate in the first first round then gets catano and drops her all right now we got something but she loses the taste like a now here's the another thing and I hate to be the Jinx here I hate to be the the guy who talks about this but for a Girl Like Ronda and who's GNA go into movies and is gonna you know take off and become this she's fine either way but is she because do people want to see those movies the same way they wanted to see those movies when she was smashing Alexis Davis and arm baring Mesa t knocking out COA do is there that same draw well I'll say this I don't think people are going to Ronda movies because she's a phenomenal actress does that make sense like I'm not going to see

60:37Ron's movies you got to see her you got to see her act in this she is amazing she is perform her because she's supposed because she's supposedly the baddest woman on the planet now Holly Holm shut her down so now Holly is thought to be the baddest woman on the planet correct right correct if unless she fights cyborg if they figure out a catchweight fight you know in MMA that's really the the big scary fight for her for sure you know and she said she would fight her yeah I know she's she's fought at 152 in boxing you know Holly Holm she's she's gangster but I mean I think other than I mean what what what would you do if you were if you were the promoter let me ask you this what would you do if I'm Dana White yes Scrooge McDuck if I'm what you do if I'm Scrooge McDuck Dana White well I fire rebok right now by the way I say Scrooge McDuck I say Scrooge McDuck like three

61:29or four times a week now strictly because of you yes yes I I was like he sent me this text the other day with a picture of Scrooge McDuck sitting on a pile of gold and I was just laughing laughing my I love that character if I'm Dana White I uh I do exactly what he's doing would you the the the what about the long game how much money do you need in the bank before you start looking at the long game well your your cash cow is run to Rousey right that's right but how much so close to I'm I'm with you is he so close to Ronda is he one of these guys saying oh you just need to fight her again Health get healthy and you're going to beat her and then he's thinking the long game there and then the third fight's going to be even bigger well it could be that he has 100% faith in her and he thinks that of Ronda cuts the distractions out of her life comes back in focused and attacks and does the

62:26fight the correct way that she'll win he could think that and and I think that's a bad way to think I think then you need to jump in line and you're yes man because someone needs to sit her down like listen I just think we need to work on some things that should be the plan here's here's the other thing like there's no evidence of that like if you're going to if you're going to look at a fight and you're going to look at a result and you're going to assess what went wrong what went right what could be changed what could be different there's no evidence that she could have done it better and what I what I mean is not that she couldn't have fought better what I mean is that we don't have any evidence our only evidence is ronda's pass fights and Holly's pass fights it's all we can go off of the evidence of the first fight that they had it was a Domination by Holly so there's no

63:14evidence that Ronda could have done better that what what you have to look at it technically you have to look at you have to look at the attacks the interactions the exchanges right so they have these exchanges inside the octagon and in those exchanges Holly had all the answers she had all the answers and she had the right strategy and the right movements and you saw her reacting to things that she knew were going to take place the left hand goes for the clinch she's moving it away she's Landing counter shot she lands that beautiful counter straight left she's throwing that uh oblique kick she's attacking the knee with that and the thigh with that oblique kick she does that thing fast too she's and she very agile true so you look at that and you look at these interactions you go well there's a lot of work to be done here there's a lot this is not just a simple a matter of

64:05someone being tired someone like you you have to solve all technical issues giant technical issues so so you just chalk it up to you know what we just need to get you healthy because you you just got to do what you do she does what she do and hopefully it's good enough if not either way it's a big payday I think you give her time I think you have to give her time Manny Pacquiao got knocked out by Juan Manuel Marquez that's a mouthful when you got butter coffee in your face Juan Manuel Marquez knocks out Manny Pacquiao and Freddie Roach says to him you can't fight for a year and we're not doing nothing for a year I want you to rest up because it was a brutal knockout I like that it is well look at Freddy roach Freddy roach has trauma related Parkinson's from his his career in boxing I think what he did is smart it's ethical it's intelligent and it's

64:51correct and he did it because he's a guy who's experienced the effects of not doing that of being you know rattled inside the cage and he did it because he wanted the best result for Manny so Manny comes back a year later doesn't look like he's had any ill effects because of that knockout they look great because he fully healed now how many guys have we seen come back like Anderson Silva gets knocked out by Chris widman just brutally knocked out comes back and in the second fight gets dropped in the first round from a punch in the clinch which you know probably wouldn't have dropped him a few years ago look at Leota Mach yeah exactly you get to a certain point when you've taken enough damage where if you don't allow your body to fully recover from that damage you're going to have a diminished ability to absorb punishment I'll tell you this man I I don't envy Dana White I

65:37don't these decisions I don't either job I don't envy he doesn't have time to have a perspective like you and I do either you got to realize this guy is 24/7 making calls setting up meetings doing this flying here doing this press conference and that and this thing and that thing Dana White's life is overwhelming for him it's also a business too yes what you got you and I are not trying to make money we're looking at it in terms of like okay what is what do you think is if you had to move all the pieces on the board in order to achieve Checkmate in order to achieve the best result what's the move what's the move what do you do you just just go all in you know do I don't I don't think you do I don't think you do I think you have to be real careful when you also you have to be real careful you have a big Superstar right like Ronda and your big Superstar gets Flatline

66:26okay that is probably the worst result if you want women to get into MMA you want women to like come up like you know we we want to have a lot more people that are really into fighting a lot more women that are into and then you watch the number one woman get just blasted into the middle of the universe yeah ter like Michael Shel says astral traveling that's what he likes to say I love chll too um so if that happens again and she suffers like serious repercussions now you got a real problem with your sport well now the story's over though yeah the story's over story's over yeah and you know and I think the story doesn't have to be over I think this is this is obviously there's some lessons to be learned from that fight right technically uh strategy wise the that like when you're chasing after a striker you know sure in the reaction of the Public's ey absolutely

67:17but when you're chasing after a striker that is never a good idea especially if you don't have good head movement but chasing a striker like Holly who's so agile and you have knee problems so you're not the most agile so you've got knee knee problems you got a girl who does flips at the end of every fight at the end of every fight she stands on her trainer's hands M Winkle John flips her through the air and she goes flying like a acrobat yeah and she never misses it right she she Nails it every time amazing she's an athlete she's a super athlete just like Rhonda I'll go you one better she might be a better athlete because if you look at her she never gets out of shape she's totally ripped she's like her her body is optimized right if you want to look at someone's who whose body's optimized you would say well here's a girl who uh has a minimal amount of body fat she's has got a good

68:02amount of muscle like you could tell she works hard and is in phenomenal shape the two of them fight and in the first round Ronda comes back exhausted Holly's not they they both fought the same round Ronda is exhausted Holly's not is it because of the punishment she took that probably had something to do with it it's also the way she fights too it's also the way she fights but that's a part of being an athlete I agree part of being an athlete is making smart choices I agree especially a combat sports athlete making smart choices and adjusting it's life and death yes and adjusting win or lose not yeah mean adjusting midf fight is is critical and and and having offspeed different rhythms to rely upon but R's never have to make he's she's never had to make those adjustments and then you're trying to make them with a superior athlete and then you're like ah exactly you

68:52know I had a buddy who wanted to do MMA and uh he's a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black bout and he was doing very minimal striking training and we we talked about it and I said look dude do you know like what you can do to a white belt you know that feeling where you get in there and you roll with a guy and he's a white belt and you just strangle him just wrap him up strangle him you do whatever you want somebody's going to do that to you with kickboxing and it ain't fun there's no tapping out it's not fun at all and you can't think that it's they don't know because even though kickboxing I don't think there's the same um uh broadness that there is in Jiu-Jitsu where I think Jiu-Jitsu is almost like never ending as far as techniques yes but kickboxing has so much depth like real highlevel kickboxing has so much depth and there's so much there so much uh there so many

69:40variables with guys who are really good who have like very specific like Styles and way to draw you in and they set traps for you and you think they're doing this and they're doing that and they're setting up kicks with punches and punches with kicks and you know they they're trapping you in kneeing you and elbowing you and the fa there's so much going on man that if you think that you're just going to go in there with some guy who holds the pads and you know uses those those pool floaties oh you're ID Taps your gloves you're an idiot or you just have no you just have no idea what you're getting into which is very unsafe very unsafe so you better be one of two things you better be some stud Phil Davis type All-American wrestler who could just pretty much take down anybody in the division so you get to dictate where the fight takes place or don't fight that guy learn how to kickbox first

70:27man learn cuz this is you're going to get shinned and you get shinned in the head that is one of the worst results you could ever have an MMA ever if somebody armbars you you tap if somebody chokes you out you wake up you wake up you go what happened and you're you're okay you get Gonzaga in the head like Gabriel Gonzaga knocked out crocop or what crocop knocked out vanderlay dude you know croop I mean you know uh Gonzaga is fighting I think tonight or tomorrow night he's on this C did you know that I had no idea I had no idea I had no idea who's he fighting he's fighting some Russian cat some yeah he's on the undercard how crazy is that I was going through the fight car I'm like oh Gonzaga is doing the damn thing is it tonight is he fighting tonight he's on Fight Pass Jesus Christ where is it I don't see it I don't see it on the schedule that's tomorrow night oh it's tomorrow night

71:19okay surprising though right I had no idea hey 35 fights in 3 days what is going on with that what was what's the idea behind that I should probably ask I feel like you'd know more than I would I should should know more than you what's wrong with me I don't know for sure just text Dana he's not going to return my text um he would return your text not if I was like hey man what the fuck5 fights bro why you guys doing why you guys up so hard but I think it's amazing it's a Christmas weekend for Fighters or for fans it's phenomenal but nothing matters except for UFC 194 Constantine oen yeah okay that guy's a beast it's a big tough rushing guy that's an interesting fight man yeah Gonzaga man Gonzaga you know wonder he was so scary when he was when he was Saga I wonder what he's trying to do now you know I wonder if he's just making a living or if he wants to reassess and I mean how

72:14is how old is he now I mean a guy like Gonzaga though like I got to say he 35 or 36 right this sucks to say but it's like he's never gonna be Champion there that's not happening and you can say well that's not necessarily true because look at what are you gonna say Mark hunt something like that it's just tough man he's gonna have a hard time for sure your boy mitrione look really good against him you look great mitrione's fast and that's the thing like Gonzaga when he gets on the scale you know when Gonzaga steps on the platform when he weighs in it's almost like like he's made out of rock like so Dan even the way he moved like th th like even Brock Lesnar didn't make that kind of noise when he got onto the gag is so dense I before I fought him in Anaheim uh I may walking by him and we were actually supposed to get on the fire's bus I see him in Starbucks eating two glazed

73:15donuts I was like God damn in my mind I was like God damn that's gangster he didn't give a he doesn't give a look at that guy not the right way to approach it but respect it that Shane Carwin fight remember that fight oh my God he was kind of whooping Shane's ass and Shane said cool story he caught Shane and had him hurt and he moved in for the took him down yeah took Shane down I was like oh then Shane got up and just threw like this half ass kind of just like a flick of the wrist just a little and knocked him out well he threw a right hand it was so a in right hand yeah Shane hit so hard my God he hit so hard yeah there's like there's there's going to be a wave of those guys man it's going to take a few years maybe you know these Elite wrestlers that are coming up that are learning how to strike when they're in high school you know and they're competing as wrestlers

74:06and they're going to make it into the UFC in the next couple of years especially as the money gets bigger like there's no the money has to get bigger you know there's no doubt that Fabricio verdom is like a super talented super skillful guy but the Public's Consciousness and the the awareness of him is not nearly as high as it was when Kane beat Brock Lesnar like that was the height of the heavyweight division right when you say be and I think it's mainly due because of Brock Brock because Kane Junior do Santos that was awesome two Superior athletes going on it but still not the same because of Brock yeah Brock brought some new element the you know he brought the World Wrestling Entertainment people but I but I think in order to get those those big boys those freak athletes involved the money would have to be got to come up to you got to get those football guys who are

74:54you know interested in giving a shot cuz you know I have a kid on the way and if he's anything like Brock Lesnar that little bastard's not fighting you better go get that money in baseball or NFL yeah do would you worry about NFL with head collisions and all that not as much because the juice is worth the squeeze not as much as fighting right cuz fighting I mean like like I retired I got an Instagram post said hey man congrats and then like an email you know you know say you retire in the NFL you retire in the NFL you you know you got some you got some coming your way different even if you only had like a couple years in uh if you have uh three and a half years or more you get a stip in every month you have health insurance I mean yeah you're pretty taken care of wow that's nice to a certain level to a certain degree how much you played that's nice yeah yeah that would be ideal if

75:43Fighters you think so the UFC will get there they have to they have to you think so and they know that yeah they know that like guess and and this isn't a knock on Dana White or Lorenzo or anything like that we're just in the we basically leather helmets on right now you know what I'm saying if you go back if you compared to the NFL they're going to get there they take all this heat and even I give them but it's so new man they're trying their best this stuff does not happen overnight don't you think it almost has to pass through a few Generations like maybe uh like what is a sport going to be like 50 years from now when Dana is not around anymore I mean when we're not around anymore what is the sport going to be like then like maybe you know when you look back at football football has been around a long time a long time and it's slowly gotten to this point

76:25I think what MMA really needs right now is competition they need a lot of competition and bellator's just you're not going to get there with Dada 5000 and Kimbo Slice it's just like it's a good fight it' be fun to watch I'm sure hoist Gracie versus Ken Shamrock 3 look they're Legends they deserve they deserve to fight if they want to fight they have earned it and I know that's something that Ken has alluded to he said you know he he earned his right to compete I agree absolutely 100% so does Hoy absolutely 100% they deserve their right to compete but it's it's not the same as the UFC right now and until it becomes until someone comes along and like Strike Force kind of almost had it you know they were they were close before Strike Force was owned by the UFC fedar was fighting Brett Rogers and you know there was some going on Mendez doing well there was some going on

77:20it was like whoa this is uh this is pretty goddamn good it was pretty goddamn good see I think the UFC will get there we we just need time on our side the struggle they're going to have is you know the NFL is dealing with a little bit now with the concussion stuff I think when MMA down the road we're going to see the concussion it's really then people like dude what are we doing and the pay is nowhere near so when I say the NFL's worth the squeeze it's because you're taking care of compensation wise so you're yeah you're going have some up knees and your brain's going to be oatmeal but in the UFC I mean man like I said you get an email and a repost on Instagram but don't you think that like then it's even more important to make sure that someone like Rousey has enough time that Ronda has enough time off to recuperate and you mitigate all potential problems that

78:07you could have with her getting knocked out again 100% Joe I mean what if this fight takes place and in the first round Holly just slams a shin right into ronda's jaw and she stiffens up and just Falls straight back like Terry Edam remember remember when Terry Ed mhm him with that wheel kick and he just stiffened and fell straight back bang the probabilities of that happen are very high very high well this is what you have to realize if you've never been hit before when you get knocked out like that you are not you can't get hit for a long time it's not the same takes a while before you build back the resistance to the get to get to the point where you have like a baseline you know like your your Baseline is like how you are right now if you get hit right now like wow it would hurt but you'd be able to absorb a much better shot than if you had just gotten a concussion if

78:56you just gotten a concussion recently and then you get hit again your brain's like what the and we've seen it we've seen so many guys get knocked out and then come back a lot of a lot of times it happens I'm going to cut you off Joe but a lot of times it happens in Camp like before I fought Rothwell like weeks before Carwin me up man I should and I if I was knowledgeable how I am now I'd be like dude I I don't know if I should fight this is not good but my you know back in the day you know this is whatever 3 four years ago they're like uh just no more sparring you'll rest well that's two weeks before the fight that's really not enough time so he yeah he lands a decent shot but you know I've had way worse and he Clips me and it's you know it's tough man yeah it just shut you off MH yeah well Joe Duffy how about that a week before he was supposed to fight Dustin porier he gets knocked

79:41out in Camp he gets a concussion and they have to pull him out you know like see that's why whenever MMA math people try saying well Rock cold Mach Mach widman MMA math does not work for me because Macha was not ready to fight when he fought rockold I was in his Camp he was we were like dude this is not the Macha we know so he goes in and destroys him gets clipped you know it's the different Mach so that doesn't work for me so what was wrong with Mach he just need time off he his biggest issue is is he like he'll go right back to sparring we're not talking like light sparring and hitting Ms he goes right back to the dog days of sparring as soon as he's done so you know he was getting clipped he was having just a rough time and he just wasn't ready to take that fight so you were watching him train and you knew that something was up I I think everyone

80:28did really yeah and so now you know he's taking a everyone's like dude you need a break so he's taking a long time off um he fought Munos where was that in England is that where it was where he uh his first fight at 185 when he head kicked them yeah he looked Sensational they were training together too yeah that's right yeah yeah cuz we all trained together and then me was like dude I got to fight MAA and everyone's kind of like o but if you watch him from that fight to like the Mach you see now it's like man little shop warn he's had some tough fights the Romero fight that happens yep that happens man yeah that happen and and and like like I I think happened with Klitschko I hate going back to boxing I think it just whatever reason happens that it's a certain fight where like oh my God it's not the same guy oh man and is it is it you know Jose all has been on feed for 10 years

81:20he's been through the ringer he's fought the best of the best to me he's number one pound-for-pound there's no one better you look at his resume to me he's number one now it's Saturday night the time where we see him it's like that's not the same Jose that we've seen there're there's going to come a day just there's going to be a fight unless he retires see I think that he is definitely one of the all-time greats and I think he's definitely one of the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world but he doesn't fight with the same sort of dominance that Mighty Mouse does like he he'll beat like Uriah Faber down he crushed his leg and beat him down and knocked out Chad Mendes in their first fight but if you look at like the Ricardo llamas fight llamas had him on his back in the fifth round he's beaten on him so did homic yeah so did homic he Fades towards the end and if you look at the fight

82:09with Chad Mendes that was a very very close fight that second fight phenomenal fight I think 45 is more stack than Mighty Mass more stacked so he's fight tougher competion that's certainly a good argument however John Dodson knocked out TJ Dill Shaw at 135 he's a monster he's fast as super athletic and dangerous as Mighty M's just shut him down I agree I just think over 10 years and he's fought the Who's Who and beat him you know what I'm saying yeah Well's it's such a subjective title the pound for pound if you want to talk about pound-for-pound who's going to rip everyone's face off is Jon Jones there's no one better than Jon Jones to ever enter the Octagon he's literally going to grab everyone and rip their freaking face off if he wanted to that's pound for pound you think he's going to fight heavyweight now yeah 100% he's going to go in there he's going to fight DC and

82:57he's like cool let's fight heavyweight yeah wow he's so jacked what are we doing he's so jacked like has his together you know that happens to people when they become like real Technical and they're you know they're strong but in a grappling sense and then they start lifting weights like they get so much because now they have all this ability to do things from technique that's backed up by all this horsepower like dude Eddie Bravo's game changed so hard when he started lifting weights like there was like there's Eddie Bravo pre- weights and there's Eddie Bravo post- weights and they're totally different guys different we had he was just a small guy who had really good technique and then he got to the point where he was lifting weights like a couple days a week steady for years he wouldn't stop he's just like I got to get stronger he's like I'm just battling in the gym

83:49constantly with these guys who are bigger and stronger than me and then as soon as he started putting Mass on and and he started getting really strong to go with that technique he was just smashing different animal see shinar and myself were a little different we spent too much time in the weight room we should have been doing technique like we're in the weight room like spotting each other on the bench I'm like God I feel like we should work on punching and kicking like you think I'm like well you're huge as as it is I don't think we get any better squatting all the time especially if you fight a guy like Junior dos Santos like Junior couldn't lift nearly as much as Shane but when they got in the cage together Junior was lighting them up cuz it just te that's where technique comes into play that's what it is it's about getting hit you want to talk about a

84:29fight that should have happened years ago do Santos over him next week what do you think about that fight I mean dos Angeles with a new camp with ATT so I think that's good um it just this fight should have happened a year or two two ago I don't think Junior's ever the same I think after those two cane losses and then after that steep Bay fight I mean what talking about miles brutal fight so I don't know man yeah and then with overing with this new drug testing I mean are we what are we going to get we going to get the 205 room what's he going to look like right there's a lot of variables man lot of variables lot of variables dog same with Jose Aldo oh yeah yeah yeah you look you're making the might steroids face well no I'm just saying maybe he's not but let's that's the face you're making though though he might have let's let's say he's not right and and but let's all right no

85:20let's say he is but then the strict drug testing comes into play we're talking about a different animal man oh yeah completely different animal not the same guy that's an X Factor for me that's a huge X Factor it has to be but we don't know we don't know what he was doing what he wasn't specul 100% I have no idea because he never got tested positive for anything never he's the absolute animal I don't know but that I could say that for anyone you go you go through UFC 194 you say that for a lot of guys it's an X Factor yeah it's interesting man we can't know you know can't know who was on water who's on something and got caught there's no way unless people get caught yeah when they get caught you know they always say oh you know I didn't know someone gave me this diet has there ever been a guy who someone actually did give they gave him a protein shake and he

86:09drank it and they're like oh yo dog I forgot to play steroids and that I didn't have I thought this was chocolate white nah no man I put steroids in it that that's hey real quick just for all the listen out there that's never happened I think it's got to happened once people are idiots there's a lot of Idi they test positive yeah yeah I like gu's like I didn't know what I was taking this guy was just giving me injects in my ass he told me it's vitamin C it is possible that if you were at a bad gym and you're hanging around with a bunch of morons and they want you to fail and there's dudes that are doing juice they'll put put some juice in your protein drink here's the solution don't let anybody mix your protein drinks especially some doesn't really like you yeah man but there has to be a guy out there that actually did have someone drop a steroid in his protein drink and he

86:55pissed positive and he probably tells everybody and they're like yeah yeah sure he's like don't it actually did happen it would be a bummer be such a bummer bummer think I'll surprised you'd be failed the steroid test he'd be so freaked out like I can't believe that the actual thing that everybody jokes about really did happen to me you oh my God you know it's like actually going into a van that says free candy is there really free candy clunk ow that guy beat you over the head like God damn it how did I fall for that this card tomorrow is pretty good um there's a lot of good fights on this card but the card on Saturday is insane but the one big fight that's on tomorrow well there's a couple big fights besides uh Frankie Edgar and Chad Mendes but Barboza and Tony Ferguson Barb Boza and Tony Ferguson son I love Ferguson in that fight woo that's a crazy fight dude that's a

87:57that is a crazy fight I just think it's Ferguson's time man he's so good he's dangerous very dangerous but so is Barb Boza I agree I just feel like Tony Just Hits like a Mac Truck he does he does it's a very interesting fight very interesting he's gonna have to deal with those leg kicks though godamn Barbosa kick I don't think it gets out of two rounds I think Tony stops them in two wow I know right that's how much I believe in Tony I think I just think 2016's kind of a the year of Tony Ferguson at that weight w strong St Bren sh going out on a limb here tell you what man you're making predictions like you you're making a strong prediction I know it's never good sometimes it backfires like a barau is a monster he is a monster that Paul Felder fight that switch kick that he was landed to felder's ribs I've never seen anything like it fastest I've ever seen I agree

88:52never seen anything like it it was like like a 110lb tie guy you know like you watch those Muay Thai Champions those flyweight dudes that are just like lightning bolts that's like what kind of speed he was dropping that switch kick in I remember like literally I was like I had to like readjust my metric when I was judging it like watching like what's a fast kick and what's not a fast kick his kick was so much faster than anybody else's that I had to I had to readjust like what I thought was a fast kick he's going to land some of those I just think Tony's going to counter and end the night well Michael Johnson gave him a lot of pressure and Barb Boza had a a real hard time with that but correct me if I'm wrong I believe Barb Boza was traveling back and forth from Florida to New Jersey to train with Mark Henry while that was going on now he lives down there correct that will make a big

89:40impact different animal and that's what we saw in the fight with Paul Felder we saw like the best version of Barbosa we've ever seen the most focused the fastest the best prepared if if if he's with Mark Henry I'm telling you man I spent maybe four weeks Mark Henry I've never seen anything like it for what the reason maybe just cuz he's Frankie Egger's guy in Edwin Barbosa he doesn't get a lot of notoriety like a frost or Greg Jackson I'm telling you man I've it's some another level man really I'm telling you we worked uh he was like let me see you move around and he had this uh guy hold Ms for me and he filled out a notepad about six pages long front and back just all this and was just he was obsessed with it texed me call voicemails with where he's like just listen to him you don't respond just listen and it was all these combos I was like holy if if someone can

90:34if you spend a and you see Edwin Barbosa and you see freaking Frankie Edgar how talented these guys are and now Chris Weidman brought Mark Henry in to help with the rockold fight really and that was the X Factor for me oo so that's what pushes you over the top wiyan over rockold it did and I thought rockold was going to win earlier in the week and then and and I've been listening and then Mark Henry says he's working with widman I was like oh hell no really so it's just Mark Henry coming in as a trainer that made you switch over I was this I was this close I was this close to picking Weidman or rockold and then just I don't know I'm with Weidman wow that's interesting that's a that shows you that's a pretty serious level of respect for Mark Henry dude I've worked with FAS and I'm not these those are the best in the business Le Bowl Greg all these phenomenal coaches Tony Jeff all

91:27these guys I've never seen anything like Mark Henry the amount of time as soon as he I heard he's on board I was like oh you're talking about another level what do you think about his style as opposed to the style that bang is showing TJ Dill Shaw which is a lot of switching of the stances a lot of variations in the approach in the attack where you're constantly overloading the mind you never know what a guy's going to do what do you think of that I think bang Style works for one guy in the world for TJ yep what about what it's doing for uh Danny Castillo Danny Castillo's look fantastic he's not looking like TJ he looking better and for him well first of all they came in at different levels of strike I agree I'm just saying kicking wise I agree he he looks better but I think for that obsessive style and for what TJ does they're The Perfect combo it does not get any better than

92:17that so you think it's a style makes trainer matchup yes 100% yeah CU try and listen listen to well you won't be there they fight him Friday night you're not doing the fight but if you can listen to Mark Henry when he's coaching Frankie Edgar he has a towel on he's sweating and he's that they have different uh language every time they have very different varibles every time it's never the same so nobody can get it no one can get it it's literally like a video game abbc abbc and they doing the thing it's like a video game wow I've never seen anything like it man wow very interesting and see he's just a striking guy right right just striking so who does the transitions between the Striking and the grappling how do they orchestrate that in the training yeah I know uh Weidman has uh his whole camp with Ray Longo and mat sah and all that so they all come together and then D

93:07I've heard stories about Weidman I I don't think people realize how strong Weidman is I've heard him just Molly whopping heavy weights just destroying dudes and Weidman when I break down the tape he just has this X Factor that I don't think Luke has granted Luke's gone five rounds more a lot of don't realize that Luke's gone five rounds in strike fors Jo Ray Tim Kennedy beat both of them great Grapplers but I just think Weidman has this X Factor that you it's hard to engage like you can't put a number on it if that makes sense I know it sounds weird rockold thinks he's going to be able to stay on the outside and have success the way Anderson did in the first round of the first fight and vtor did in that opening flurry of that the the the fight that they had and he thinks he's going to be able to do some damage there if you look at that fight the vtor fight where vtor had Weidman St

93:54he nailed him a couple times and then VOR Moved In For the Kill but VOR just didn't have the stamina he he just couldn't sustain it and then he didn't have the defense in the ground wman took him down and just him up was just a beat down as soon as wman shot that double got to hold those legs tight dropped him down total control of the ground and just beat the out of him I don't think he'll be able to do that the same way to rockold I think rockhold's be a much harder guy to take down and a much harder guy to keep down I think Rock H hold's got a way better wrestling camp with DC and and Kane and rockold has shown really good takedown defense in the past I makes it makes it tricky I think that fight gets super interesting if rockold uses his height and reach and kicking he's a really good kicker on the outside phenomenal left kick what is his background

94:38besides wrestling surfing but where did he learn how to kick that he he he was surfing and he was bullshitting around I know he did some Judo when he was young he didn't have a karate background or anything and then walked into AKA when he was super young how old was he I think 17 Okay so uh Javier has been kind of coaching him from the beginning huh so so I mean the I rockold I think it will get his kicks off and that's the the I mean to keep that distance I just feel like weidman's going to get him down and Weidman this is the X factors Weidman also is a phenomenal Grappler man he's been training with Marcelo Garcia forever I mean he's a stud on the ground I think AKA is overlooking that I think that they're worried about the Striking they're worried about the pressure and all that and they think rockold thinks he's going to takeen down pop up I get that weidman's a

95:25down there he controlled VOR belfar on the ground likeing literally he's so heavy on top man well donaher is his guy too and donaher is the master he's a a real wizard that's a he's he's so smart too he's a a guy that when you have that guy in your corner there's a distinct Advantage when it comes to strategy and if you're training with him on a regular basis like he doesn't he doesn't make mistakes he's not he not making he doesn't make mistakes in assessment or execution he knows what to do and when to do it and how to do it right he just knows he he's not he's not weighed down by stupid ideas to to me it's the best fight in middleweight History Two Guys in their primy man I have no idea who's going to win I can see these guys fighting two or three times talking about a Trilogy what it really all depends on the result of the first fight so like a lot of people

96:12thought that could have been the case with vtor and Weidman but Weidman just smashed him true if Weidman can do that to rockold then the whole game changes but if w why do you think weyan needs like a breakout performance in order to achieve like a higher level of stardom like something has to happen people recognize how great he is so let's say Weidman goes in there and knocks him out in the first round but then Conor McGregor goes in and knocks Jose out out in three rounds we're not talking about widman he gets funny again you know what I'm saying he's honey again my bad dog maybe next time because we're not talking about Weidman it's true all we're talking about is Conor Aldo yeah that's all we're talking about and it's all trash talk it's the trash talk the trash talk cuz on paper both of them are equally intriguing but the trash talk of of Connor has pushed the

96:59whole thing way over the top as far as like wanting to see it it's like wow but it's kind of it's kind of calmed down because of the injury and there's been this delay cuz when on that World Tour I was like holy this is insane I think Conor McGregor mind Jose Aldo not really anymore I don't know about all that I don't think so any I don't think it's as bad this time I think it's still in his head it doesn't matter we don't know what the reaction to that is going to be some guys the worst you can do is get him riled up well if you look at Jose Aldo's pass anytime a guy brings a fight to him he gets up if Jose Aldo if it's super respectful and he gets ahead on you he coasts he takes rounds off he coasts we've seen it man but I think Conor McGregor he bit off all he can chew man because Jose Aldo when he's when you're bringing the fight to him you get one hell of a Jose Aldo we look

97:43at Mendes Jose 2 what to me that's one of the greatest fights ever it's going to be interesting to see what approach Aldo takes cuz What If Aldo comes out South paw then gets interesting cuz one of the benefits that that Connor has is that he fights Southpaw he's got a nasty right hand true he throws almost like disdainful half speed kicks and he uses your positioning judging you to set up other things and then he mixes those half speed kicks up with very fast technique spinning kicks and things along those lines that front kick to the body and then he'll throw like a disdainful roundhouse kick almost like daring you to try to counter it so they can look to drop that left hand in on you he does a lot of interesting as far as like varying his rhythm in his approach and his his movement his long wide stance just a lot of that's hard to to judge but if Aldo immediately initiates

98:36grappling this is something that I don't think people have been thinking of Al nasty on the ground nasty world champion yeah he's like like he's he beat Co Cina and straight Jiu-Jitsu okay so if Aldo just clinches and drags that fight fight to the ground very early in the fight look we saw in the Conor with Connor and Chad Mendes Chad took him down and held him down was Landing some nasty ground and pound with essentially no Camp I mean two weeks which is like you're weight cutting you know you don't have any cardio it's just like you're not going to improve in two weeks because the last week is all just about recovery anyway so he's got like seven days to work out for Connor for a world title fight while he's doing all this press right Aldo's got all the time in the world he's got all the time in the world and he is a monster on the ground that's his background his background is not

99:27striking his background is jiujitsu so to me and I you hit it right on the head no one's talking about it Jose's going to Grapple him because Conor is hard to figure out especially early in the rounds he's doing all these weird angles and like man what am I going to do he's going to Grapple him that's what I think and he's a stud athlete too like he can gets a hold of you and drags you to the ground and all of a sudden you know he's got your back and he's blasting you with punches and elbows it could get real weird cuz cuz if I'm watching the the Mendes fight cuz if I think those that that especially that first round when Mendes kept taking him down Jose Camp is going all right this is what we're going to do and then let's get get it standing the third fourth fifth round but start teeing off here's look at another way Connor comes in like a serpent with all his slippery movement

100:14and he drops one of those piston left hands in on Jose's chin then gets real weird real quick that could happen too Lam he lands one of those corkers on him and starts talking to him and gets in front of his face J's never been a fight at this magnitude no never never with the talking the talking changes everything the talking and all the eyes on this fight and the pressure yeah he's been champ you know forever he's been undefeated for 10 years he's never been in this kind of fight no not even close he's gotten a lot of attention in Brazil like the first uh Chad Mendes fight was a giant victory for him in Brazil ran out to the audience was cheering with him they held up the flag different animal is a different thing and I also uh Jose will get hit he'll go straight back and he does get hit we see Chad Mendes in other fights where he gets hit he's not elusive he's noty M

101:02you get hit by Conor McGregor the game is over he hits like a Mac Truck Yeah he snaps those punches in he big too man and he mix his up real good with uppercuts and straight punches and he comes at different angles he gets unpredictable with his movements when he's inclose like if you look at like his fight with Marcus brimage that beautiful combination that he landed takeing and how good does his ma Max Hollow win look now exactly and he did that with a up knee yeah he he jacked his knee in the first round so there's a lot going on in that fight there's a lot going on in that fight what and I think I think after uh let's say Conor wins that fight his toughest matchups are looming you know they're waiting for him well Tony Ferguson's already called him out up to 155 this might be his last fight at 45 too most likely will be with wants to fight him too of course that's a fight

101:54son Pettis well Donald shouldn't be thinking about anything but the 18th that's going to be a tough one that's a tough one that's a tough one rooting for my boy Cerrone I am too I'm also rooting for uh dos sanos that's the problem with being a commentator you gotta root on everybody not me I like as a human being I'm way closer to Donald Donald's my friend but when I watch those two fight I'm a fan I mean I'm a fan of martial arts yeah you're a professional what but when I watch those two fight I'm a fan of both those guys I'm I'm a hael Dos Anjo fan that is a beast that Beatdown that he put on Pettis the way he did it way he's the nicest guy in the world too the nice guy when I was fighting and I never forget stuff anytime guys go out of their way to be nice to me I never forget it when I was in Brazil for a press conference before I fought no gear it's like whatever 14 weeks before the

102:44fight you know Brazilians aren't exactly a big brown fan when you're fighting the biggest guy in the City no one's doing me favors and uh do Sanchos gave me rides everywhere took me to gyms made sure I was cool made sure where to eat all he was great man he's a great dude I always like talking to him very friendly guy cowboy and I from Denver same team Cowboy's my boy yeah no I get it it's tough man I'm always biased don't ever get it twisted whenever make picks I'm always biased yeah I I feel you I like this fight as a martial artist because um as someone who's like looks at the problems that both guys present I like this fight because the physicality of Dos Angelos is something that guys have to deal with he's worked real hard on his conditioning and his strength and conditioning routine he's he trains with that Nick kerson guy yeah he's a Marv marinovic is disciple they do some wild

103:33crazy explosive plyometric they do a lot of like strength and a lot of it about just just reducing the amount of time it takes you to act and and to perform your actions just getting it down just fractions of a second just fractions of a second constantly exploding constantly moving there's all Sprints and box jumps and that kind of if you watch like some of his uh the the training modalities is really fascinating to watch all these different techniques they apply all these weird flexibility things he does it's cool oh he does a lot of wild man I uh the one thing I don't like is how much time Cowboys had off cowboy likes to go go and that's what he his best when you give him a lot of time off and he has to think about the fights usually trouble yeah Cowboy's a man he's lot of momentum right now a lot of momentum you know and he's a really tough guy he takes a good shot

104:24they don't get any tougher than Donal Cerrone he takes a good shot and he's really sneaky with his Muay thae very sneaky and off his back man I'm telling you his X off his back I've rolled with cows like Jesus man yeah yeah he's very slick off his back it's one of the best things about being a kickboxer that has a really good guard game because you don't worry about getting taken down because you're very offensive off your back unless you're fighting dos angos Grappler black belt who does not give a about your guard who's also strong as yes like you saw that Nate Diaz fight he just raged do Nate Diaz and just brutalized that leg too with those leg kicks oh it's going to be interesting to see if he decides to stand with Donald like how he decides to approach it he's so fast that was the thing that got me in the Pettis fight like how fast he is to engage and

105:13fast he is to execute he's like he's like right there right there right there bang like he was like put tremendous pressure on Pettis right from the beginning and Pettis doesn't like that Pettis like you to stand on the outside and give him time to like get his timing well Strikers do like Barosa loves that you know a lot the the way to beat those guys a lot of time is that kind of pressure get in their face and Donald had a hard time with Nate in their first fight or their fight rather because Nate put a lot of pressure on him in the first round and there was a lot of talking I think he got emotionally invested in that talking a little too much you want to talk about leg kicks we even talk about this I hate to go back to it but Jose Aldo has a for a kick what horrible and and you got to remember Conor has that wide stance yep yep he does game Fact cuz you land four of those leg

105:58kicks we're talking about a different night yep and uh he's also we're assuming that Connor is gonna fight Southpaw and that Jose is gonna fight Orthodox we're assuming and if he does do that then it opens him up for that inside leg kick for sure that's a u that's a a powerful technique and it also head kicks and Jose's not been a head kick kind of a guy but Connor is you know and when if Connor is in that position he he's in the the strong leg back position and Jose's opened in the Orthodox position so what I'm saying folks if you don't know what we're talking about if like someone fights a southpaw means they have their right foot forward Orthodox the way most boxers fight they have their left leg forward when Connor has his right leg forward the inside of his leg which is a very very sensitive soft tender area he gets opened up for those inside leg

106:46kicks it'll it'll slow your game down you land a couple of those world class kicks it'll slow your game down yeah but I mean I got to think that Conor anticipated that he's probably going to you know time his movement and then also you look at like that was the the kick that didan Anderson cuz widman checked it and widman checked it perfectly and snapped Anderson's leg so there's that possibility too you know if they go Shin to Shin a couple of times woo I've never been more excited than for a fight card since Saturday night it's stunning spectacular I mean it's so it's so good in so many ways can I can I hate on one of the fights on the card Joe real quick please do uh Gunner Nelson Damen M I think is dare you a news Fest 3000 I know I hope I'm wrong I hope I'm wrong every other fight on that card is ridiculous I think just style-wise I just don't see that being fun you look

107:32at their previous wins gunar Nelson's really finishes our decision his finishes are only by submission you ain't submitting Damen MAA that ain't happening then his other ones are decision Damen mayia is either submission or decision imagine if gunar did submit Daman Maia you imagine that it'd be sick can you imagine if he could do that be so sick like is it possible I mean I think fan is it possible that Daman could submit Gunner I mean I don't even know if that's possible I agree well the thing is we talk about gunar Nelson's background at Jiu-Jitsu he's a far cry from Damen Maya don't get twisted people as far as you know celebrated true traditional Jiu-Jitsu Dam ma is a monster absolutely 100% as far as achievements but when you look at what gunar Nelson Has Done like he's an elite Grappler he really is Jeff mson son he did what dominated him yes and

108:24he's also small for the division which is where it gets interesting cuz Damen W is large for the division Daman cuts a lot of weight and this would be his first time doing it without an IV oh see all these X factors son the other thing is Damen MAA he's not exactly Lance arms from in the cardio department so you want to talk about submissions later in the round there's going to be one it's probably going to be Nelson well and with no IV he could even be more weakened by this weight cut yeah it's a factor how about Susan Romero you about that what the joare is fighting yel Romero first of all yel Romero has the best body that has ever walked on earth like who who looks who looks better than that that's a superhero he's a superhero that's a superhero that's Aquaman that's Spider-Man straight up that's Superman straight up look at that build that shit's ridiculous and jaare

109:16is a Savage too man jaar's bicep is like 3 in longer than a normal bicep it goes to the middle of his forearm arm he was born to choke people he was literally born to choke people unconscious it's going to be interesting to see if yoel can avoid the submissions if it goes to the ground it's going to be interesting because yoel is such an elite wrestler I mean his wrestling is outstanding you know what it's outstanding but he's been taken down the Octagon by inferior guys it's cuz he doesn't give a cuz he just gets right back up he's not going get right back up on Jo right no no no no he's not going to have that approach that's a tough he's going to be much more conservative I think in in his approach as far as his attacks but he's got so much he's got so much faith in that fast twitch muscle fiber too because he drops those fast shots so does Souza

110:01though so does jock this what now the US Okami fight when jck R unloaded on Okami well you worried about my Jiu-Jitsu how about worried about knuckle sandwiches knuckle sandwich son I think uh someone's getting dropped that's a wild fight I think he ends up on the feet and someone's gonna land a bomb you know what gets me I almost wish that yel I it's like I almost wish he was fighting for the title now because I feel like he's 36 he's 36 time is not on his side no especially not with this kind of testing and yeah time is not inside testing ain't doing him any favor and he has injuries you know he's back they were supposed to fight before well he's had his neck operated on of course he's got a big slice in the back of his neck and you see him when he steps on the scale at the weigh-ins where he uh he had disc surgery I don't know what they did I don't know they don't wrestle for

110:49that long without having some issues K sand twice he's a monster I he's maybe one of the greatest amateur wrestlers to ever come out of Cuba he's just a freak man a monster wrestler heat shots though and he's not exactly a cardio machine either no and he's got to be real careful about like how he how he explodes and how he Paces himself I mean these are two kegs of dynamite going after each other two different approaches God damn that's a good fight whoa and how about we're not even talking about Uriah Faber yah favors on this card no one's even brought it up yeah they just have him on the card just in case didn't show up yep exact it let's get real here exctly what it is yeah I probably gave him a good stien yeah he's on the yeah do your thing you right who do you know Frankie signs s a e n z how do you pronounce it signs signs s SS SS it's not good if we

111:41don't know his name well if he wins it's good for him yeah if he wins for it's gigantic for him Jeremy Stevens and Max Holloway it's another bang up fight too nobody's bringing up dude I'm impressed with Holloway man yeah man that Cub Swanson fight opened up a lot of people's eyes they were like whoa and this kid's only like 24 he's young talented dudes up what's he won five in a row seven in a row since losing to Conor five probably he's won quite a few and looks better every single time he's inside the Octagon hey Stevens for sure let's not suck in our gut like that when we take the picture though can't do that it's obvious caught him out of camp for photos it's obvious I've been there it's like God damn it and you know this shit's going to be on the promo and I would have tan and did some push-ups yeah Jeremy Stevens has some dynamite in his hands he has Dynamite I see and his

112:32kicks too when he knocked out Hony Jason that head kick nasty that was a flatliner son he's almost like the rumble Johnson of this weight class you know what I'm saying like he is just a ball of knockout but then how I just think hollow's he's too good he has too many tools to win we'll see I like it I like that fight I like it a lot I think Jeremy Stevens you Zig when you should have zagged you up you make a mistake you yeah he he'll shut the lights out on you that Dennis Bermudez fight how about that how about that fight Bermudez is a was looking good in that fight too Jeremy stz dropped the bomb on him he can do that man and he holds that power deep into the third round too you got to remember also he knocked out the champ he knocked out do sanjos yep knocked forget that I don't forget it he knocked out do andos at 55 then dropped down to 45 feels like he's

113:27got a better shot at 45 I wonder if how many guys are going to continue to try to compete at 45 with this IV ban not many yeah I wonder how Jeremy's going to do because I think this would be his first fight without the IV as well well think about Aldo and McGregor too McGregor's it's a for them to get down you look at McGregor when he gets on that scale it's like yeah he looks like de man Walkin yeah like a horrible stomach disease or something you know um if McGregor knocks out Aldos he's the biggest star in the UFC yeah yeah he's the biggest 100% he's the biggest right now you think I me Rhonda's the biggest but she's not because she's not the champ um he's the champ they will have parades for him in Ireland I'll have a parade for him yeah but you have to understand the level of champ like their level of love that he gets is so like women like looked at

114:14Ronda like this new thing there's this new thing that never existed before this beautiful female Combat Sports Champion who's totally dominant but Ireland has a long history of of Combat Sports athletes and right now Conor McGregor is as big as anyone that's ever been and if he beats Aldo and he smashes Aldo with the way he talks and his Charisma the way he dresses his whole package the whole thing there's no one like him they will have a goddamn parade for him in Ireland and he will be the biggest star MMA has ever seen he willp Brock Lesnar and Ronda Rousey together he's going to be the Mac Daddy you know you know thing about Conor too it's a big if a if man but I think the UFC needs it I think UFC needs him to win so bad nope nope I disagree I disagree I disagree Conor if if Conor gets knocked out dead by Jose Aldo then Aldo looks even better okay Aldo looks even better

115:10and then next people want to see Aldo fight someone else who Frank again I don't I don't ever look at it in terms of like what would be the best result for the oh I do all the time I don't I want martial arts that's what I want I want I'm with you Joe that's all great but I want exchanges I want to figure out what is what's the best style is it this long stance with these crazy weird movements and throwing in traditional martial arts techniques or is it hard Dutch Style with world class Brazilian jit we know that works he've been winning for 10 years but does it work against Conor what if Connor spinning back kicks him in the liver 5 seconds into the fight like he did with Chad then we got the biggest fight you know biggest fight of all time wild but the thing is is if you look at the if if I'm a businessman I'm not not as a martials if I'm a businessman Conor winning is the golden

115:58ticket by far and it's the Long play too because Jose you know he's not going be around that much longer right but there's never been a guy like Conor before in the UFC's been fine like you don't it's not necessarily the best thing for going fine Dana still Scrooge McDuck I'm not saying that son I'm not I'm not saying he goes broke but I don't even think it's I'm just talking about getting new heights I don't think so look at this Scrooge backstroke through a sea of gold love that guy I just never thought about it until you started bringing up Scrooge McDuck I never thought about that cartoon it's random as whenever you talk about money like I ain't Scrooge McDuck I'm like that's right Scrooge McDuck he had a lot of money balling son yeah I I think this fight for martial artist this fight is uh is like the ultimate who knows it's like the ultimate the widman

116:51fight as well they're both ultimate who knows the only difference being that we saw Weidman get wheel kicked in the head by vtor we saw that we saw get St you say you saw rockold get wheel kicked oh did I say wman I'm sorry yeah we saw rockold get knocked out by vitor's wheel kick in the first round that's the only variable that was mutant vtor though it was mutant vtor I missed that you know there there's part of me that all this look I'm very torn on trtv tour obviously very torn cuz as as a person who Jo trt myself like godamn there's some benefits of that stuff you can't have that though you can't but why not get it bis Bing's left eye is why not you're right but okay that but that was a shot that landed are we absolutely sure that that shot was landed because of trt I mean that's the thing with trt if I can throw a spinning back kick a 100 times naturally I take trt I can

117:46throw it a thousand times 100% it's helped me throw that back kick especially if you can achieve hyper human levels and maintain them so that's what people I don't think totally understand about this argument about trt so all you have to do when when they're talking about like the dosage dosage varies for every athlete that takes it but what they want to do is maintain a high normal right so high normal is like 800 this would be the number that they would look for in your blood test it's 100 to a thousand right well is that right it's very rare you get to a thousand very it's like super rare like African dudes who eat elephant meat and kill lions with sticks those guys might hit a thousand naturally Jesus Christ get some super genetic like like yoel Romero there probably some times in his life where he's at a thousand but most people you have to be like some super stud you

118:36know just doesn't barely exist they're out they're out there they're out there there's outliers right there's these like like those Iceland dudes those gigantic power like the mountain yeah obviously he probably does some Mexican supplements yeah the believe what but even on top of that youal with Mexican supplements on top of a superum guy a gigantic seven foot tall gorilla man then you're the mountain yeah you're the mountain right so when you're in Camp like this is one of the things that widman was yelling at vtor CU When vor's blood work came back from Camp is a guy that had been taken off of trt got on trt because his testosterone was low but when he's in camp training for widman they test his testosterone it's three times higher than Wyman's Wyman's at three he's at 12 and everybody's like what the you know or was it four times so he's who knows who knows what's going on

119:33who what he he got away with it whatever it is either he figured out a way to get his testosterone up naturally or he figured out a way to do it and not get caught but when you're a guy like Weidman who's a young guy who's doing it by the book and doing it totally not your your body gets broken down by training and it takes some serious m mental power some serious willpower to keep pushing through when you're a guy who's taken that trt all you have to do is maintain that high normal so you might if your workouts are brutal and they're breaking your body down you just bang Revitalize that and he might be taking giant doses several times a week for sure and if he's doing that he's operating at a level that a normal human being just can't can't train that much just can't it doesn't mean if you're 19 doesn't matter if you're 45 you can't do it you know what the thing

120:25is though is granted you know trt does help and all that you still have to put in the work 100% he's still put in the work you idiots people are like oh Barry Bond what he couldn't hit a b no you take all the steroids you want and try hitting that many home runs exctly no they still have so much talent man you have to have all the above you have to have the talent and then you have to and that's what vtor had but they also thing there's a thing that happened where he had this crazy confidence because of that yes different kind of confidence it's just a different person he was a different person in those fights there's a lot of guys like that over him when when he fought Brock I me what the oh my God oh my God that was terrifying it made me not want to fight anymore 265 shed I looked at his arm I looked at his and then I looked at his I like this man and Brock just couldn't

121:13take him down pull that fight up find that fight see if you could find that fight online overing versus Brock finished third or fourth in the Olympia probably wouldn't it be great if if there was no testing just so you could see that guy I don't know if it would I don't know man I don't know I don't know cuz they you're talking about who has the best doctor I know but I mean okay like when oim fought bhari do you think bhari was clean I love badari hate to throw him under the B I hate too as well so let's just leave it at that like they all doing it though I mean K1 is a different kind of an environment you know and I think those guys have been you know the guys in Holland that have been caught so here's over him she just look at the size of him those traps son and he's coming out with a low stance too hey look how bad Brock throwing leg kicks he's throwing

122:06leg kicks and doing like some je kundo hand techniques he's trying to jab quick jab he don't know what to do he don't know what to do he's got this guy coiled up in front of him ooh and over him just barely missed aaker overand right I don't think anyone beats that over that's the scariest guy maybe ever in the Octagon heav low stance good luck taking him down and he also could take a shot when he was Juiced up like this Fu yes God damn it look at the amount of mass he was carrying then as compared to now look at this this strategy look here's the takedown defense nothing it's a single not even close Brock just couldn't complete the single that's so crazy he's got a hold of that single and he couldn't go a goddamn thing about it Brock is mixing up with the standup though here yeah well for him that's pretty good but it's the Ferocious power that over him has is

122:57always looming see it's looming keeping at Bay you will never see two freaks like this in the Octagon ever again with Bo there's that knee to the body's another one son then the kick Brock's trying to keep him up but he's already hurt he oh you have a bad gut that's cool check this out he's throwing some good Jabs yeah he really is but it's just over over's cut already he got cut over his right eye that flat top ain't helping nobody come on looks beautiful I like it oh nasty uppercuts here's that knee to the body ooh that already him up then he kicks him and here comes the kick the kick was nasty he throws that kick right under that right arm you're never you're never going to see two muscular do oh oh he hit him with that right kick he there's a a left kick that he lands in this fight that I remember watching like three or four times in a row like o that

123:45one that one wasn't a good one dude I loved watching Brock fight goddamn overing looked good back then Jesus different animal now is he Jesus yeah I mean it it makes you think like I get it I mean I'm not really saying that guy should be able to take there it is there's a it's a knee actually I'm sorry boom boom I'm not saying that guy should be able to do whatever there is there's the kick there's that left kick yep Boom the one that went right under the armpit it's I'm not saying that a guy should be able to do whatever they want just pull it back to that that left kick to the body again just one more time I want to see that you know what the thing is though Joe you also got to chop it up this is a few years ago too overing has miles on him man boom he's fighting K1 Pride UFC he has miles on him oh yeah 100% but I think that's one all just trt I think one of the things that trt does

124:35is take those miles off a few mil I think takes a lot off if you do enough and I think that's what we saw with vtor well here it is man this he lands his right knee first and hurts him and then he lands that left kick to the body look where his right hand is when he lands this boom then you can see him up he's hurting him now what here this is this is terrifying though watch this slam oh God right underneath just Shin to the gut and that's right where after he had that surgery for diverticulitis had a big chunk of his colon removed or his intestines removed rather I'm a big Brock fan I like both those guys big Brock fan though but over then in that fight boy we had a lot of options like there so many good fights for that oh was the best seing him against junior or him against Kane or him again there was so many fights we could have seen him who's the best man it's interesting how

125:31different a guy becomes when you take that stuff away from him I mean it is the ultimate Proving Ground for testosterone it's the ultimate Proving Ground it's watching the difference yes watching the difference between these guys and what they can pull off when they're on it when they're not I mean you can I'm sure you could see a difference in football players but the difference is you're not you're not seeing them to a finish in a particular contest against another human being we get to see their movements like you see a guy sprinting on the field you get see a guy making good plays you could see a guy being energetic and pulling off but you're not seeing them in a sustained environment for five minutes at a time three five minute rounds and watching their movements and analyzing them against another human being I agree it's very like in fighting steroids it's very

126:16black and white I think it's very clear whether someone's on it very clear well it's hard to say no I'm not saying I can't look at a guy and go he's taking it but if like vtor like when he fought what vtor in Brazil it was like holy good God then veto when he fought white was like oh man yeah a it was like the way I describe it like a football that had like one quarter of the air missing yeah was just some like something happened like something's going on but if you watch say like a fight and a guy is a super athlete guys will assume like people already saying Sage North Cut's on steroids that's not fair 19 that's yeah that's not fair that's the world we live in though yeah of course so it's it's hard to tell by looking at somebody but you can tell if they change radically like if you go back to vitor's fight with Jeff uh with Rich Franklin watch that fight watch the

127:05Rich Franklin fight his body and then watch his fight in the the rockold fight yeah man watch his body or if you uh if if a guy has like a crazy losing streak then all of a sudden he's coming back he's like this new guy that's always a signal to me like uh well I know but something changes and it ain't just kicking and punching because you know how to do that I totally get that it should be illegal I totally agree that it should be illegal but part of me it makes me go wow so so interesting to see something that allows you to do your sport way better and they won't let you do it I know I know you know I mean everything else everything else you can do I mean like we talk about like you know different supplements like different companies that sell stuff like these uh testosterone boosters and all all these different there's all sorts stuff all those things a mus enhan yeah it affects

128:00your performance helps you recover and all that stuff oh yeah all different vitamins different amino acids they all have an effect you could take a little you can have a little effect would he taking Branch chain amino acids will allow going to help well what about HGH what about HGH like so if if a guy injures his knee you know there's there there's studies now that H is proven to really help a in the process of recovery where before guys kind of oh yeah 100% athlet should take HGH um yeah right especially when there's a significant injury they're trying to recover from but if they're under the testing protocol of the usada they can't do it they can't even do it while they're recovering from an injury who's that hurting athletes it's certain athletes and it's certain the UFC right because now now that athlete that maybe could let's say it's Anderson Sila

128:45instead you could have taken half of his time away from the sport and he could be fighting sooner do you think there should be different standards though um I mean between like Combat Sports and other sports different standards of like what you can and can't do as far as enhancing your body because of the fact that what you're trying to do ultimately is do damage yeah yeah 100% not that she is ever think if Holly was looked like over him she was on some massive and kick ground in the face it's a different result totally different result yeah if if if it turned out that she had tested positive after that fight good Lord all the hate would come her way then yes and then oh my God you had to cheat to beat Rhonda you loser you piece of they would hate her yeah it's crazy man it's crazy it's but it's also there's there's don't you think there's a different

129:35reaction when a woman gets caught taking an anabolic steroid versus a man yeah I feel freak thing yes I think when guys do it it's kind of like yeah that makes sense a little bit with women it's like what you cheater dude I know girl Jiu-Jitsu competitors that are taking testosterone they don't even get paid I mean they're just doing jiujitsu they're doing Jiu-Jitsu yeah let's not do that and they're doing testosterone let's not do that yeah they're doing like creams and stuff like that Lowel like cyborg will never be able to shake that to uh steroid stuff ever did you ever watch her first fight have you ever seen her first fight yeah she'll she'll never be able to shake any of that even she might be clean now I'm not saying she's on stuff I have no idea that she's always that's always is going to be brought up every time she fights now well because we all it's like you

130:27you saw what she looked like yeah you saw that she didn't look anything like anybody that you knew that hadn't done anything that was a woman like when women get athletic and they get strong and they lift a lot of weights they very rarely look like that like there was this there's this level of musculature and thickness and density and shredded at very low body f with very high muscle content you're like whoa there's we're also we're just not speculating she tested positive I'm I'm not like I think she's on it no no no she failed the test yeah yeah so that's always going to travel with her speaking of big ass girls in Jitsu you know that uh Gabrielle you know what I'm talking about Gabby you know she's striking now at blackout yeah she's looking pretty dude she's like 6'4 she's going to fight MMA in uh Japan signed some big deal out there but the problem with her is she's 200 plus

131:19pounds Who the hell's going to fight her like some big Russian with a beard or something she just knocking this Russian grizzly bear out cuz like you look at her and she's such a freak now it's like she used to be this really heavy woman with a lot of body fat she was really big and she was just so bulky she was so big and then like she must have gotten like facial reconstruction she must have gotten something done to her face too uh and don't forget about them tit she got them big ass T and she lost all the body fat she is shredded who who the has ever done that before gone from being like really fat and overweight forever and just dominating girls in in Jiu-Jitsu doing really well to all of a sudden being shed shred Town 3000 just oine versus Brock Les yeah and now she's doing MMA and she she I think she has a fight coming up something Japan she's on

132:16ryzen she's on the ryzen card isn't she I'm almost postive she sign like but my thing is yeah look how big she is next to cat Zeno and Cat's a big girl cat's not small yeah she's a good 50 pounds heavier than cat Gabby Garcia that's right but she trains with my good friend Mike Safi in uh at Anderson Sila's gym and he's like dude you should see this girl head oh I'm sure I'm sure she's huge the other thing is like she got so good at Jiu-Jitsu and she was dominating women at Jiu-Jitsu she get smashing them she gets any of those girls on the ground now with that body I mean that body she must have so much she lost though that little McKenzie girl I know a dime piece too that amazing that girl weighs like 130 how did she do that I'm a fitu Jujitsu Jiu-Jitsu is the only martial art where a small talented guy really can beat a bigger stronger faster guy just by knowing the techniques just

133:12by like a guy like Marcelo Garcia when he fought Rico Rodriguez that grappling match just say fight a match like everybody knew Marcel was going to win you know to the point where Marcelo took Rico's back Rico sort of like violated the rules he slammed yeah he slammed him because Marcelo was backpacking him he was on him like and he didn't want to get choked out so he threw all of his 240 plus pounds backwards with Marcelo on his back so he landed all the weight on marcelo's back just slammed him to the ground and then Marcel leg locked him such a badass this technique speak of leg lock your boy uh Ryan Hall fights I know tomorrow what happened was someone supposed to fight him and they couldn't get a Visa or something no so the guy who was uh he's from England he lied on his um uh visa to get in here and he had some felony or Shon so they didn't allow

134:08him back in the States to fight for the finale so Ryan Hall stepped up but Ryan Hall lost already in the house he lose to uh I forget I haven't watched I binge watch I like to binge watch those I've been doing the the show on sports live so I just watch I like watch them right before I go on the show but I don't watch the ultimate fighters well I've been crazy busy too and since I I'm concentrated on this card I'm not calling those other cards I'm only call calling that one card I didn't watch it too much that the artum guy he's Conor's boy he's knocking out hits hard yeah he hits hard but he you know also drops his hands and he throws these winging punches so it's interesting it's yeah it's interesting interesting yeah it's going to be trouble it's a crazy week and no one's even talking about Chad Mendes and Frankie Edgar no one's even talking about it listen you

134:54ain't unless you're freaking Jose or Connor this weekend even Chris wiman's like come on man come on give me some love here jock R and uh freaking you know we we forgot to even we we skipped over him almost yeah well we always want someone like Connor to come along who believes in himself in a way that we can't imagine believing in ourselves we want someone to come along who who says crazy like he says he's like I'm Muhammad Ali bit Irish and small you know what I'm saying yeah but but in a weird new way you know where where you like it though cuz if you meet Connor granted he does believe himself more anyone but he's such a good dude he I had lunch with him like God damn man I'm on your side man you're such a good person he's a great guy yeah and he and he really does with their heads man he really does a number on dudes they get in there they're all discombobulated

135:45by the time they get in there with him and I I think other Fighters respect that cuz the amount of that he's talking and he puts so much pressure on himself it's like damn and he still pulls it off yeah cuz even in little interviews when I was fighting when I I talk a little bit of i' got F like a a he talked about the mark hunt thing when Mark hunt got mad at you and you're like hey hey man I like sent him a DM on Twitter hey bro I was just joking man what's up brother he's cool he was cool as though yeah he was super cool Mark hunt yeah Mark H see there's a guy imagine him on testosterone replacement oh my God he's not doing nothing ain't no one fighting that guy there's something about some moans like they're they're just they're built better they're just sturdier they're like tanks they're tanks they're tanks and I'm a bike like his knees are twice the size of a normal person's

136:36knees when you see like Mark hunt inside the Octagon yeah he was made to fight man that dude throws bombs too what's next for him though it's a good question cuz you know he's coming off a big win over Bigfoot Silva what the f going to happen Bigfoot do you think they're going to let Bigfoot go if they release Bigfoot will it be in time for him to fight Fedor in Pride godamn ryzen ryzen ryzen they give him a fight yet I don't think so I don't know I don't know what's going on Bullit but if they had if they gave them enough time if they were nice and they go look Bigfoot ain't going on a goingon happen but you can go over to Japan and let I don't see why they wouldn't cuz what's left for bigot where's Bigfoot go what are we going to do with bigot in Japan they're not going to make him weigh in weigh whatever he wants they'll let him take whatever he

137:17wants and if anybody has a right to take testosterone it's Bigfoot has a pituitary gland tumor and that's why he has giantism yeah that took advantage of it allegedly well perhaps that's what the says according to the commission according to these biased tests done with his blood work test I'll tell you that's a great game plan cuz in the UFC there ain't nothing for you homie there's nothing for you you can't do that anymore there's no title shot they're going to throw you the wolves and just build off your name he still hits hard he's still dangerous he up over him that was one of the best highlight reel Knockouts in the heavyweight division that combination of punches that he landed on over when he had him up against the cage Fang bang bang bang bang bang bang when he knocked out Travis Brown oh yeah oh yeah Travis ate that right hand against the cage but

138:04Travis blew his his hamstring out remember his leg gave out yeah I do remember that I remember getting blast in the face though but that also that was Bigfoot on some it was so none of that M you know what I'm saying that we don't have that Bigfoot for sure ask for your Walking Papers and go fight Fedor and get all big and swall give him his Walking Papers he doesn't have enough time to fight Fedor like we're we're dealing it's like December 10th now we're talking give Fedor a puff cake like he always fights these days and then let's have Bigfoot get on some and do his thing I can't believe they keep saying Fedor and anko with a to be announced opponent this month I tell you what you want to talk about business 101 don't do that what the are you guys doing that's what they've always done that's what Pride always did this ain't the pride man we need matchups we need

138:52good matchups you're not I'm not buying a pay-per-view just fed over some schmunk on it well it's not a f it's not a pay-per-view it's going to be on Spike so there's that you know that's right but still that that that's not going to you're not going to get huge numbers doing that anymore I wonder Chang what kind of numbers they will get because this is the the the Ken Shamrock fight too hoist Gracie Ken Shamrock you know what people will buy that Kimbo Slice people will buy that I mean buy it as mean as watch it they'll watch it it'll get it'll get a million people you don't think it'll get a million people it's free yes it'll get a million on Spike it get Aon it'll get a million Kimo I'll watch Kimbo Slice Kimbo and Dada and then ho and Ken and then Fedor as well I I think that's the car that's the r I'm going to get my camo Tapout shirt out of the box too and put that

139:35on and go back to 2002 do you have one with the yellow collar man it was so sick that I just hey Bellator hey Bellator let's do something new man let's try and get some fresh blood in there what they need to do is pay Benson a shitload of money and get him to go over there that's right how about that Michael Paige guy yeah he's fun he's fun he's fun he he hasn't fought you know top competition but he has the potential he's fun to watch he does a lot of wild a lot of wild a lot of wild a lot of Wild results crazy Knockouts I wonder what's going to happen with uh Ben it's a good question it's a very good question I heard some Korean organization offer him a ton of money only $200,000 a fight yeah that's not that much that's okay it's decent it's but it's not enough to take a risk and leave the UFC cuz who knows if they're even going to be around in a year Well

140:25if they're going to be around you know you're going get sponsors when you're over there no one's really watching that's not worth it exact that's not worth it well he's not getting any sponsors over here you know that's part of the problem yeah pray to God they spell your name right and what Anderson Aldo is that great how about they called uh they called Anthony Pettis the merer that's awesome so stupid I love it it's like someone inside the company is like trying to Sab it or something yeah I feel like there's someone in there just like God how can I this up I think there's some dude who works for a company that work he's on the Underground and he's he's he's like a secret sabur and he's going into the database and changing things after hours they're like what the they get there the teachers are printed what what the Ison Aldo what is this he's like oh I already put it up and he's ah

141:12that something has to be going on who knows who knows maybe someone from Adidas growing pain Adidas owns them oh they do Adidas owns rebot they do they're like the redheaded stepchild maybe it's someone from Nike maybe Nike didn't like the deal so they let Reebok get the deal then they sabotage the company with spy wear that that's the only legit like it makes no sense to me doesn't make any sense for the design of the shirts too how about that how about the design like would would you guys spend 20 minutes is there I feel like there's some guys like you think I can make these dumb asses wear this you think someone's gonna sign off on it I mean if you just put that out on the internet and you said come up with a design idea and you know we'll give you 50 Grand or something like that which is Jack for reok yeah not just get fans who are fans of the sport with

142:00Photoshop and you you open yourself up to this just gigantic pool of people that come up with ideas you can get some dope stuff my God man oh my God phenomenal stuff and instead they just basically they didn't even spell the names right on all of them you know I mean how much time was put into that it's just a bummer man bmer bums me out just because I love the UFC it makes the UFC look bad rebok do whatever the you want but by signing this deal now now you look like dumb asses only to the hardcore fans they're the only ones who even know about it most people have no idea why anybody's wearing a Reebok pair a Pants versus mean you have to be like deep in it like we are like the average guy who's watching it Buffalo Wild Wings like he doesn't give a he doesn't give a but also that guy's not going to buy a fight kit you're right if you want to wels isn't

142:48going to buy a fight kit mean you just start going outside and pointing at people you'll be successful I agree no I mean you just can't who's buying have you seen one have you ever seen one SE I've never seen one seen some guy tweeted me earlier today and goes holy sh I'm seeing Conor McGregor fight kids oh that's different at the you know the island people yeah but they smell like Guinness they put a us the American flag on C McGregor I think they did that on the website um what they did though also no some guy ordered it and took pictures like this can't be right oh God really yes physically had it was like come on man I got a Conor McGregor shirt well how about the Ireland shirt that they made where they didn't include Northern Ireland that was a big one oh my God that was a big one that's a in that's a massive insult to those people that's a massive insult

143:37like you're trying to sell the image of their land and you don't I mean this has been this historical dispute between the North and the South and you're you're going to not include Northern Ireland dude Conor McGregor's head coach was like you guys better Che change that right now I'm ripping all this rebok off my walls yeah yeah I mean that's a big deal man it's a huge deal for those guys it's just details man you know it's just it comes down to just details I'm sure Dana's getting so much from it he's going to start F focusing on it more I hope so but um it's a nightmare man they they've done nothing good cuz at least if they were things up but guys were getting paid it's like don't wor we'll figure it out and the fighter like it's all good baby they can't do that when you're not guys that's exactly how Fighters would be too they would a if you spell their name wrong we give

144:21them half a million dollars I don't give a call me Brandon give me 500 Grand Brandon shop I'll change it what you want Brandon that's cool but like that would be your nickname Brandon Brandon sh just up Brandon would be in quotes you just take that on as your new nickname dude it's like Sage Sage North cut someone tagged me on his Instagram he posts oh get my shirt for the fights tonight and the t-shirt's $34.99 well that's an issue there and then think Sage is getting such a big Fallen do your own man yeah we've been over this I beat it to a dead horse re you'll figure it out well you got a unique opportunity to do that because of the podcast and you know you connect with all these people then you have like this network of people that listen to your stuff you give them a free podcast all the time they want to wear those fighter in the kid shirts they want to drink

145:11coffee out of the fighter in the kid mug yeah it's it's hard for a fighter to establish all that stuff and get it going while they're in the middle of training camps man managers all that job someone should recommend it to him oh yeah I mean I think he shouldn't be folks on don't get me Twisted don't get don't get it wrong I just feel like uh if you're not on that model yet you're getting left behind it's true but um you know these managers and these agents and stuff they they they probably don't even know how to do it they don't they're not even aware because everybody's just concentrating on the fight game it's like you have to money you're not making money doing that re you're not so all right so you're taking 20% of his money that he already earned from rebok that makes no sense how you going to make money how much can a fighter make doing seminars like when someone starts doing

145:55seminars how much can they make a decent money if you go on like tours you know that's a beast man how much they make like how much can a guy like a bigname guy make for a day I'm not that you know I'm not a superstar but you know I was getting I did uh a seminar once and I got like six grand that's pretty good that's pretty good how many people were in there uh it was in Canada uh I mean it was packed it was packed couple hundred yeah uh no maybe 100 100 Yeah Eddie Bravo does some pretty big seminars I don't want to be rude though and ask him how much he makes but I would think that if you do a bunch of those like in a row like you do a gang of those it's that's a that's a real living they have to be legit though you know what I'm saying a lot of times when a guy is so Technical and he's such a good fighter he's not you know he he can't relate that in words very well so

146:45the seminar kind of sucks it also seems that like jiujitsu is the seminar that people want to go it's very hard to get people go to MMA seminar or very hard to get people to go to a mu Thai seminar or harder but Jiu-Jitsu seminars are typically pretty giant well I feel like Jiu-Jitsu is more lucrative right like people who sign up for jiujitsu especially in California if you're going through that whole the whole belt system you got to have some bank so they're going to sign up for a Jiu-Jitsu seminar Macha does a shitload of seminars in Brazil karate seminars right yeah he does yeah but his family has that background his brother his dad can help it's a little different animal yeah and he's famous he's a former champion Super Famous yeah it's different if you're famous yeah um it's it's a an interesting thing uh seminars you know seminars are very fascinating

147:29to me you know and also like putting together a gym and making that gym a successful entity a successful business is so hard to do do you know anything about Combat Sports Academy the CSA Kevin Ross trains out of uh G I guess Gina corano is up there now too Nakamoto I've heard of it yeah he's he's a bad the guy runs that gym and he knows he's doing and he's got a giant gym he's got a lot of members and he puts on seminars and teaches people how to run gyms how to successfully run gyms and set up training programs stuff like that yeah I want to go I should go to it sometime just to watch just for my own Ed yeah we should go find out I think he does it annually I think he does it annually does that too though a little bit right like they they do different though different I'm just saying they do a thing how right how you can qualify to be a trainer from mon Academy right but

148:17this is the difference being that it's training protocol like John W wolf does a lot of things but it's all like kettle bells and um uh steel maces and things like that it's exercises you know there's a there's a difference between teaching someone how to uh like perform exercises correctly like kettle bell certifications are pretty common you know like um uh pavl does a bunch of them a bunch of different Kettle Steve Maxwell does he has his own certification process I think mer Mike merer does as well the the real bigname guys have these certification protocols because they f figure out what's the best way to implement their training regimen and then they teach it to people so they can teach to other people and once you get the technique down the mo movements down stuff like that but I think it's way more complex to get a bunch of people to sign up for your gym

149:03I think that's hard for people to do and he's teaching them how to run the gym and be successful I think so I'm pretty sure and I think also how to uh set up training uh training schedules and calendars and how to Peak Fighters that's that's priceless he should be killing it there should be a t of people lot of people to those he should be killing it cuz that I mean to learn that is priceless man he also has a he's got some um CrossFit going on too because like their Instagram post is a lot of his CrossFit game stuff a lot of CrossFit um classes and exercises so I think his gym is both a strength and conditioning gym and a Muay Thai gym and I know they have they have some MMA fighters there as well yeah but it's like Muay Thai it's very hard to get a lot of people to sign up for Muay Tha not a lot of people want to get their face split open not a lot of people want

149:49to get cut up by elow yeah that's why Jiu-Jitsu is so lucrative exactly you get old ladies do Jiu-Jitsu even CrossFit that's why crossfit's so big man yeah it's hard to run a gym man you mean even running a 24-Hour Fitness or LA Fitness or something like that gym or since I was a kid you know my dad's a businessman since I was a kid a gym or a restaurant is not the way you want to go like people ask me are you going to start a gym absolutely not yeah the chance of you making legit money off that good luck man so competitive unless you're some Scrooge duck like Dan Lambert who doesn't give a who puts together some just G I mean I don't know I don't ever ask Dan but I can imagine how long it took him before at was profitable takes a long ass time man I'm sure it's probably profitable now because it's it's so big and so famous so popular but I might be wrong he might

150:39just be doing it for the money breaking even yeah yeah he may mean doing it for the fun rather than the money yeah it's a it's it's it's also when you think about how many different schools and colleges produce professional football players right they go from the high school system to the college system they go from the college system into the NFL you know I mean there's the the the wealth of talent Nationwide established these these systems that these kids come up in about 300 a year so established right MMA is not like that no you have these random professional gyms and some of them like they're fighted like Johnny Hendrick's left team takedown yeah I know so he's what he's going to do is he's going to have some hold mits for and do some boxing work and then work out with like a the Oklahoma State wrestling team and like is that what he's saying yeah

151:30yeah he's got to put together his own Camp he's leaving team takedown that's tough man it is tough and also he lives in Dallas team takedown was in Dallas is the big you know big place in Dallas they came up together I think they had some sort of a problem because the team takedown thing if I'm I'm talking out of my ass here because this is all just stuff I've read on the internet but I believe what they did is they give the fighters a salary and they give them you know they set them up room and board room and take care of everything but when the money starts rolling in they get 50% god dog 50% we're talking about Johnny Hendrick the champ y that'd be annoying as yep well he's not the champ anymore yeah but still he was for a while yeah yeah you got to wonder you know what's the most profitable way to do 50 is a lot 50 is a ton but also at the same time you know was Johnny a guy

152:18that didn't have anything he's com from Oklahoma from college and like listen we're going to invest all this money in you hoping you become the champ and then we'll get our money back on the investment and then did it happen Johnny was like listen I don't know the details was Johnny like this man it's too much money yeah I don't know I mean I it's hard to tell it's hard to tell you know and then there's the the argument that could be made where like if you have a highlevel champion like a Johnny Hendricks it makes the whole gym better and it's it's worth a lot of money to the gym just to have him training there for 100% 100% right that's huge man because it changes people's attitude about gy it brings better guys into the gym 100% 100% like like here's a perfect example Muscle Farm you found out that TJ just moved to Muscle Farm everybody went whoa hold on that's a ballsy move

153:01by Muscle Farm that's a gangster move right yeah you get a guy like um Matt Brown's there too got a guy like Matt Brown so you got Matt Brown and you got TJ Dillashaw okay you're making moves you got Matt Brown you got TJ Dillashaw got Brandon thatch Neil Magny yep yep yep Neil Magny just beating Kelvin gastam raises it big time like you that's those are gangster moves right that's that's how you get a gym popular so now here we are talking about the musle farm gym if they didn't do that would we be talking about it no well Rampage was training there years ago did we talk about it the first one we didn't talk about it how about Sage you know Sage northcut left uh TriStar he did yeah his dad pulled him from TriStar what yeah when that's in the recent the recent article I read his dad took him out of TriStar he's training in Dallas now some local gym in Dallas or some

153:48like that or wherever he's from in uh T am wow station whatever H I wonder what that's all about I don't know French girls to get you sage has to just if he doesn't I don't know I wouldn't want sheet miss out on life I wouldn't want to be the person who has to wash that kid sheets you know the amount just must fly out of his body in the middle of the night from dream Spiderman yeah man he's going to have a a tough road as far as distractions go but hey worst things could happen to you I agree it's a good thing or he might just fly off the handle St North Prince returned to Tar after UFC Fight Night 80 eyes future acting modeling gigs oh it's over well yeah let's it's over hey man acting and modeling you got a long ways to go in the UFC let's talk about modeling and acting yeah well maybe he just sees the potential for money and realizes he can only fight so

154:50much I mean that's always possible that is always possible man I mean look you have to think about it that way look at what's going on with you look at how much more money you make now doing your podcast than you were making when you're fighting and how much easier it is for you not even close not even close not even close and and the podcast is growing every month I saw you guys were in the top 10 of all the podcasts in the world the other day yeah holla hi hello episode whatever the it was it's crazy and on top of that you're doing these live shows selling out months in advance and that's super profitable and all that comes to you it's do have to go through the UFC you make your own schedule there's no no one tells you what to do or what not to do what you can and can't say you don't get some angry phone call from somebody says why'd you say that you know you're not

155:35supposed to talk about that you talk about whatever the you want I can't believe my life man I'm I'm doing the best I've ever done in my life so a kid like this sees the possibilities of the future and he goes look you got to take what you can take you got to take what's there you don't put it aside to try to pursue like this potentially lucrative career as a UFC champion you know what the difference is though is he's what 19 yeah he's 19 he's a freak athlete he's already getting notoriety he's not he's not going to be able to take that step into movies like Ronda did or George St Pier unless he's super successful so if F has one foot out the door now yeah you're about to get eight the up in that division at 155 yeah maybe or maybe he doesn't really have one foot out the door maybe these are just things that come his way he says sure if I have the time I mean who

156:26knows what kind of dad son relationship he has or how disciplined he is I don't know we only time will tell but all the trappings are laid out in front of them when you see that I mean and that's what we kind of missed with the Ronda Rousey thing we didn't really talk about it she had been able to pull it off she was so successful we thought she was the exception the exception and then Holly Holmes said nah check this out what no yeah that's why I think that fight was good for martial arts because it showed you you you can't violate the rules of engagement you have to be prepared for any type of Engagement it's a fight yeah it's a fight well Connor said that he goes I let no distractions you know I think everyone can learn from the Ronda fight there's no distractions for me smart and he he goes I've been offered movie TV deals he goes I do not care about that

157:16there's no distractions for me when I hear that I'm like this is smart because if Rhonda didn't do all those things if she put all those things aside and just went into a spartan-like existence from the jump and never never variate never varied from her course and had outstanding training every step of the way hey you're talking about like a truly unusual athlete truly unusual outlier of an athlete is someone who's got that kind of Focus drive yes it's going to be interesting to see what happens man it'll work out for the rest of the world well hopefully it works out for her yeah well I mean yeah hopefully but then again hopefully it works out for Holly too I agree man you have to kind of look at it that way but let's work out like if and you know I know Rond is not materialistic but when you say work out if you're talking about bank account yes she's fine but it's more than that

158:09for her it's it's not that you know what I'm saying so work out depends she's fine because the way she lives she's not living like Scrooge MC duck duck that's true you know she's she's pretty Frugal for someone who's very wealthy she has a small house you know she's not she's not balling out of control no so think of that but then also think about what does she do now you know she had a opportunity for real greatness and for a moment had achieved it she had this opportunity to be the first ever UFC women's bantamweight champion she took it and then ran with it smashed everybody in front of her and became this gigantic Superstar until she fought Holly but now it's like there the whole the game board has changed Everything's changed the reality has changed everything has shifted and you need to adjust to this new reality I I I I I feel like women's fighting is kind of similar to boxing

159:09where in boxing if you lose a fight you're kind of in the women's division it's not that deep so when you lose a fight you're kind of fcked there's an as as soon as you lose it's kind of like yeah you were great but there's a little Aster here now right which in men it's not that way so let's say Conor and Jose you know they can go back and forth they're going to be fine maybe maybe it's interesting it's interesting right man so interesting and you know what how about the strawweight division it's so shallow that you've got Paige VanZant who I love she's so Scrappy and aggressive and but she's already number seven She three and 0 how about roses I think Rose's records two and three or something I think Rose is ranked number 12 or something is that what she's ranked she might be higher than that I mean there's some girls ranked like oh yeah I'm talking about the guy uas

159:56fighting is ranked number 12 what is she's rank number three roses three or something she's phenomenal she's badass phenomenal and she's wild and she does a lot of like really explosive things like she does a flying arm very very dangerous but that well that is a goddamn great fun fight right but there's not a lot of those in that division there's not like she's like for Paige being that young and that talented and that like she's fun like she's smiling she's great it's all fun in games till you win that fight and you fight Yana F that demon who's gonna rearrange your face yeah in five rounds uh or Claud gadea who's a Destroyer as well CLA is nasty man that girl's nasty you know what I heard I heard um I'm not breaking news it's kind of a rumor they might announced it already in the press conference but uh claa and Joanna are the next tough coaches ooh

160:50I like that do you yeah I like that I like that fight that was a good Split Decision Split Decision yeah phenomenal fight yeah it's a good fight well you don't like them as coaches I don't give a of coaches honestly I don't like drama if I want to watch Real Housewives at Beverly Hills I'll watch drama you know I want to watch fights I want to watch fights I'm with you Joe but the ultimate fighter is a long process yeah no I understand I don't particularly like the fights on The Ultimate Fighter that much no I don't either I could be wrong though that's a rumor I heard it's from a legit source but yeah most of the guys in The Ultimate Fighter I appreciate the fact they're learning and they're getting better and this but when guys get gassed out in the middle of the first round that's tough it's all like I I I I know how hard it is to even do what they're doing don't get me wrong

161:38I'm not demeaning them but in order for me to really want to pay a lot of attention to Fighters they have to achieve a certain level because you've seen that level I've seen it too many times s so I see so many like like yah Hall when he was on The Ultimate Fighter I was like oo okay he could do some damage this do some damage yes Robert Whitaker same thing I was like o okay you know um there's guys there's guys you see they go all right this rare though it's rare like last night or whatever earlier not last night two days or whatever they asked me on the ultimate fighter who do you think can be successful in the UFC who would you pay money to see my answer was no one but proba no one right now they have a long ways to go who act actually in to get to the UFC they have a long ways to go the answer is the guy who's the youngest who's the most focused who has

162:28the most attention to you could put to it who's the best athlete who's in the best Camp best Camp all those things all those things like you can you capitalize on your experience there and Learn and Grow it's a great farm system it's a great farm system the problem is you're taking like people that you know they might not be fully grown they haven't sprouted yet they're not they're not and you're throwing them right into the the Mixed Martial Arts Super Bowl it's interesting because yeah exactly because the ultimate fighter used to be guys where you know 2- 0 3- 0 and then you know you're on that show and then you kind of have a huge following and then you're in the UFC and you can have a couple of buildup fights but at least you have a fan base well now it's like these guys are they get launched right into the mix like I think uh you know I fought Roy Nelson which had no business

163:12fighting at the time and then like six months later I was fighting Gabriel Gonzaga I went from fighting a guy in The Ultimate Fighter with two fights that Gabriel Gonzaga was like what the fu former Heavyweight Championship Contender yeah man he was like Jesus Christ yeah that is the trickiest thing about going from that from that show right into the big leagues what what the happened in that one dude uh that fought uh ephran escad and Ephraim beat him everybody was all hyped up on him Dana was like he's like figh no he's fighting tonight is he he's on the I think he's on the card I think so he was a talented kid well he one of those guys you you you see him against guys who are of a lesser caliber and he looks like a Monster yeah but let's never call him Aron Sila ever again everybody you know I think it's hard to judge when you're watching people that

164:02are fighting people that aren't that good God damn he looks shredded there though he does like shredded but didn't he have some weird problem where he was like blacking out didn't he have some like some serious issue like like he would have like a like a fainting spell or something like that a medical issue a fainting goat thing it was something wrong he was out for a while and then he was fighting all around and then he got back to the UFC yeah he fought other places um I'm just looking at Rose and Van an I mean is that the sexiest fight of all time I hate to be sexist dud those is that Tim Means versus John Howard are you fuing kidding me that's the Dirty Bird son holy I didn't even know this is happening this is tonight what it's on now is it on now actually on now is it on Fight Pass yeah that fight F not on yet but uh this Robert's Koy fight is on now really whoa

164:54Jesus Christ okay so there's a few fights before you get to Tim Means that is a bang up fight man that's a great fight Tim Means is nasty he's nasty I mean he got caught by Matt Brown but not after he tagged Matt Brown that was a fun fight man was a very fun fight the dirty Bird's fun to watch oh yeah he's super technical and he's an Albuquerque guy outside of gr of Jackson's gym he's other what's it nhb or something like that I forget I forget I should pull pull it up here um I'm not sure but uh Tom is his trainer why why am I drawing a blank John vau Tom vau is Tom vaugh is his trainer say what Jim or no um I'll find out cha Jim Miller is a good one oh yeah cha chesa I was up I know I didn't even know that my that Jim was fighting oh yeah that Karan one Jesus Christ Kaye Karan yeah she's a little beast God damn there's some crazy ass fights going on it's crazy what a

166:00what an amazing time these three days are not it's almost like overwhelming wealth of goodness that happens over three days my brain's like yeah man this is what's going on right now this fight yeah guys got some great tattoos got get set of hair on him it's an awesome time to be an MMA fan are you gonna go to ebi on Sunday is this Sunday bra inational yeah are you going yeah you back I'll go with yeah what time um I got a wild ride man um I fly in early in the morning I think it starts at I want to say it starts at 4: 3 or 4 and he thinks it starts I don't know I'll go for for sure maybe it starts talk about we I'll find out talk about well let's find out find out what time the Eddie Bravo Invitational starts I knew I had enough time to get home and take a nap and then head out and it's it's almost sold out folks if you're thinking about going 5 o'clock on 5 o' 2 days 23 hours

167:05from now and what is the um what's the name of the this the uh theater videos oh it's at the the venue the Orum theater the Orum in downtown which is an awesome theater it's really cool old theater um but it's I it might be sold out now uh it was real close to sold out up until um like yeah last night so it might already be sold out but uh if you want to go see a a really exciting jiujitsu competition and you're interested in martial arts you're interested in Jiu-Jitsu even if you've never competed you never trained this is the one to go to because first of all it's like a great bunch of of killers that are inside the uh the brackets including Gary tonan who's one of the best in the world in in nogee grappling he's Sensational he's a killer and Denny propos who was a uh he as a brown belt he was a world champion um Nathan Orchard is in this who's also one

168:06of Eddie's black belts who's Elite there's like a whole bunch of like really good highlevel talent and the system that Eddie's created the way they reset the fights they they battle it out they have a certain time limit and then after that time limit if there's no no one has finished anybody then they put them in positions like they'll start off with you on the guy's back with an over under hook with both hooks in and you say ready go and then if he Taps you then you get to start in that same position and it's sort of like overtime rounds in wrestling sick it's a great idea and it's it's like At first I was like boy I don't know about that but then you see it live you go oh this works and it's super most entertaining and most well done Jitsu show there is I think what's the website that they can go to if they want to Eddie Bravo invitational. comom that's

168:55what it is Eddie Bravo invitational. comom and if you want you could you might be able to still get a couple of tickets for the orphan but it might be sold out but you can watch it online at budovideos what is it budovideos.com um go there and uh I'm sure Eddie Bravo's uh Twitter page has all the information as well as 10thplanetjj dcom think I think we're out of time we out of time yet yeah yeah okay awesome man it's been fun always we got a lot down we broke it down this is a a a wonderful time if you're an MMA fan it's the best man this is it's the best all right fin the kid live tour San Francisco Sacramento Portland Seattle San Diego Vegas baby a lot of that sells out in advance so get on it you all right thank you everybody and uh we'll see you next week bye I feel great I feel