Suzanne Santo, Ben Jaffe: Honey Honey (Part 2)

00:00I'm really working hard on not being sorry. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. If this is your first voyage with us, you picked a very strange part of the journey. This is part two of the Honey Honey podcast. Part one, there was a lot of alcohol and marijuana in the room, allegedly, and some things were said. We're not really sure. Yeah, we don't know what happened. Some things were said. We don't even know what the fuck we said. After it was over, are we okay? Did we do anything wrong? Give us another chance. What is this whiskey that you find people have brought? What does that mean? H-Y-D-N-S. It means fun times. It means good talks, in-depth conversation. They invented that shit when people thought dragons were real. They were worried dragons were going to fly out of castles. Oh my god. Fucking hammered. drinking that. But I'm pretty sure we're okay.

01:00I don't think we said anything that fucked up. No. I feel good. But I'm not married to anything I just said. Yeah, it's easier that way. Oh, God. I just want to let everybody know. If I pissed you off, I'll probably piss me off, too. If I go off and listen to me while I'm sober, I'm like, idiot, shut up. Shut the fuck up. So I'm right there with you. We're just trying to do the best we can, ladies and gentlemen. It's a strange world. It really is. We're spinning around. Yeah. They found water on Mars today, bitches. What? Today? Shit just got real. Big time. Big time NASA announcement. We're going there, aren't we? To live. We? Not me and you. No, don't do it. Everybody. Suzanne, I won't let you guys go. Let's get all our friends. It'll be a big party. Fuck all that. We'll bring the music. You bring the funny. No. Jamie, you bring the food. Chills out, Suze. and the clean shading

01:55I say we stay in the spot that's already awesome there's not a lot of time this is the best spot we have ever seen we've been sending rockets into space since the 1950s this is the best spot by far did we ever tell you about our car? the Escalade? yes, I think so like I said, used 2007 we went into the manual we got a great deal on it we didn't want to buy a van we were like, there's four of us we can make do with this. That's a better move. It was a good move. You don't look suspicious. We went into the user manual to figure out how to use all the fucking spaceship buttons. Former owner registration falls out. Ben, who was it? Set up. Elon Musk. Good googly moogly. Do you worry that now the government is spying on you through Elon Musk's former vehicle? Maybe. To keep tabs on you? In case this is all some sort of a scam? Elon Musk, big fan of Honey Honey Band,

02:52It says, listen, guys, I need you to take a Cadillac off my hands. Can you make us an electric SUV, Elon? Please. It would be great. Thanks. Have a go, bye. It's a clone signal, the same one as in the back of my Tesla, that goes zero to 60 in one second. He's controlling the vehicle. They have these cars. He's creating these cars that are literally like, what's the most time you need speed? The most time you need speed is like at a red light. Are you running? at a red light stop to go or merging onto a highway, right? Like if you're trying to merge onto a highway, that's the only time you legitimately need horsepower. That's the only time. Well, this guy is creating a car that's in that way as fast as anything that you could buy ever. It's like a Ferrari. Ridiculously fast. Maybe even faster than a Ferrari. You're going to get one? Nope. Not feeling it?

03:43Have you thought about this very much? Yes. If the apocalypse comes, you're going to need gasoline. You're going to need to burn things What if there's a solar powered element to it though The electricity Is that possible? Yes If they can figure out solar To the point where they make some dope paint That's also like solar collecting And it's like a solar panel Why does a solar panel have to look like The inside of an air conditioning filter? Why does it have to look stupid? Why can't solar panels look dope? Why can't the whole car be just solar panels? Why don't you make some slick ass fucking solar panels? I'm working on it. Jesus. She's on it. Santo's on it. Yeah, look. I do other things. You know they're working on it. They're working on it. If they ever figure out a way to make a car that is 100% solar in California, like a Tesla,

04:37like a really high-end, beautiful car that also you never need to plug in. Game over. The batteries are so efficient. I don't think they're that far away from that. I mean, when I say that far, I think like 100 years. I don't think they're that far away from that. No, not even that far. I mean, I think they already have that. They're just hiding it because the gas situation is fucking government, Joe. The government totally sucks. Motherfucker, the government totally sucks. Is that a new song it says? Tenacious D. Come on, tenacious D. Oh, I don't. I'm so out of the loop. There's not enough time. It's okay. There's still time. There is way still time. No, that's all I'm saying. And in the day, if you're a Tenacious D fan, don't get mad at me. I've enjoyed a lot of their work. It's not what's going on here. It's just not enough time to know that. You've got to pick your moments.

05:25Too much fucking material out there. And we're all making more of it. Yeah. You know, that's like how we do it. We should make some fucking more. That's the craziest thing about music, if you really stop and think about it. At the break, we were talking about Beethoven. and we were talking about all the different notes and the different things that they created way back then that you can still recreate today. Yeah, just being able to notate. We can play music that was invented before there was recording technology or that was the recording technology. It's like, this is how that sounds. We'll figure out a way to write this, and now you can interpret that and make the same sound. Right, and if you go back to then, how many people wrote music like that? What was the number of published works? Well, it's weird because Mozart, was it Mozart?

06:14No, like people aren't fully aware of what Mozart actually wrote as opposed to like his family members contributed and stuff. Is that what you're saying? That was Bach. Bach, excuse me. But yeah, the point is there wasn't much. There wasn't much. Being notated at least because who had the education to do that? You needed tons of money. You'd have to get people with serious money to sponsor your life, you know, and there just weren't that many. It's also like that Tony Hawk, Lance Armstrong thing where it's like there's a couple famous dudes in that field. But everybody else, who the fuck? Okay, Beethoven, Bach. Mozart. Who are those other dudes? Okay, there's like a couple other dudes that are like in the periphery. There's like three. I got room for three or four major dead pianists. They're so fucking good, though. That's the thing about it.

07:02It's like all these contributing factors to the environment. is like being an, it's like Malcolm Gladwell's outliers. It's like, there's all these things that have to happen. Like, I'm sure there were other people that had these magical ears. They just didn't have the resources to build it like Beethoven or Bach or Mozart did. And like, you know, if you, like the arts, like the Medici family who, you know, were benefactors to these people that like, flourished because of their incredible amount of wealth. You know, it's just certain things. That was the chair. I didn't fart. Just making that clear It was like straight up I want to talk about this Oh my god Here we are What happened to us? We were so smooth We were on top of it We're still smooth Our feelings are like right up front They're right there There's no need for us to talk about

07:58Why you guys were upset at each other a few days ago Definitely not Definitely not. We don't need to talk about that. No need for that. I think we went through two and a half hours of awesome psychoanalysis. Go back and listen to that shit afterwards. We're going to be like, I can't. No, you said some really beautiful shit. I'm not kidding. Whether people want to listen to it or not, we appreciate it. It's all lies. I made it up on the spot. I thought you were doing what I said. They work. We'll take the front, the falsified information. You ever listen to classical music speaking to Beethoven or anyone? I try. I try. Yeah, it's difficult. I decide sometimes I'm going to listen to it. Like when I write, I'll put on headphones on an airplane. Yeah. It's hard to navigate because there's so much shit, and it's like, you know, it's historical at this point.

08:45Some of it's like really energizing, though. It's not like, it's like da-da-da-da. Like that doesn't like make you fall asleep. That's like, oh, my God, let's get up. It's also. Conquer the day. The other problem with it is like as a person who makes stuff, I always look at it as like just some crazy cover band. It's not really Mozart. Mozart's dead as fuck. Even if they're nailing it, even if they're nailing what he was asking for, it's not him doing it. Half of the Star Spangled Banner is not the noise. It's knowing that Jimi Hendrix did that at Woodstock in 1969. That's half of what it is. It's like the sound that I hear from a Sturgill Simpson song or a Honey Honey song or fucking Run DMC, anybody. It's like that's their shit, and it's coming out of them. It's not a cover band. It's their words with their enunciations. Boom, bitch. I mean, that's what it is.

09:48I mean, that's what I want. I don't want to hear, like, somebody recreating. I understand it. I mean, I understand that it's compelling and amazing and artistic and so integral to the structure of music even today. But whatever. I'm not interested. Man, that's really interesting to hear. You know what I mean? Because I come from a total or just desire to always fucking hear that shit. Listening to music in a way to be like, I don't know how to describe it, I guess, but in a way that's a different glance at what you're talking about. you know the idea of like you want to hear somebody express themselves I want to hear the person but I want to hear like when you're playing guitar I know those are that's ben scratching those wires yeah it's you doing that you know I'm saying like I hear you yeah you know like you come through that

10:45and there's nothing wrong with the they didn't have the ability to transmit this information any other way than write it down in notes and then sell these books. I mean, it gets 100 years, 200 years, 300 years. It's the only way to do it. They didn't have any other way. But we have a better way now. Yeah, you're right. And it's funny, there's a certain, maybe it's not indulgence, maybe it is. But I was thinking about it while you said that. It's like, well, I just like listening to those sounds. You know what I mean? Whether the Mozart's making, I just like that sound. And that's cool, but it's also something that you do in your free time. You have time to sit down and say, I'm going to appreciate some sounds as opposed to what you're talking about. It's like I'm going to hear a person. You're right. You're right.

11:26You know, in that sense, I'm wrong because it's really two completely different things. It's like one of them is a beautiful orchestration of sounds. And the other one is a person's like expression coming through, especially with the addition of language, the addition of songs and songwriting and the words. like it's really almost it's like the difference between it's almost like completely different artistic endeavors well it almost feels like those like Mozart sounds are like genetically passed down or something like they've been around for so long that like they become this like you feel them in your body when you hear it it's like you hear you feel this like physical reaction to them in this way And as you do song-written vocal expressions, but they're so old that there's something really interesting that happens from this traditional reaction to it.

12:22You know what I think would be the shit? No, what? Crash from the float lab in Venice has developed some crazy underwater speaker system that's waterproof. Oh, yeah, he's such a wizard. Oh, my God. This fucking dude created that, and he also has been working forever on this idea of a screen that emits the lowest amount of light possible so that it can be suspended from you in front of your face when you're in the tank. And you can see these images, almost like they're floating in the air. You can't see a television. You only see the images. Whoa. In this sensory-deprived situation. But he's got these speakers that he has figured out how to submerge in the water next to your head. That's incredible. And it gives you the stereo sound in the water where it vibrates off of your body. You feel it. You feel it on your arms and your legs. You feel it.

13:19And that's what it all is, which is such a crazy... It's Joe's phone. Oh. Crazy. I thought Jamie was playing the sound. I was like, I want to hear them. I've never done it. I haven't done this new system he's got. Yeah. But he's always trying to innovate. But in that way, he said that you feel the music. You feel it through the water. Oh, my God, yeah. Which is fascinating. Yeah. That music, if it's done through one of those things, like this is just one step. This guy's got a couple of speakers. What if they insert them through the entire base of an isolation tank and then program music like they do those South American Icaros With the shamans when they do the ayahuasca ceremonies sound therapy What if they figured out a way to like get you into some fucking crazy trance like we're talking about how Houses have certain frequencies. Yeah, they make you go nuts

14:13You know, maybe they're like a certain when some people do like some Jimmy Hendrix did that he talks about it sometimes too He's like you get five minutes six minutes into some of this music He's making and people kind of fall into a different state. You know, there's a different place I guess what I'm saying is like people are looking for it and a lot of musicians, that's what it's based on. It's like how can I make this shit shake to kind of cast a spell without, you know, maybe that's not the best way to put it, but it's like I'm trying to affect you with rattling shit. I don't think you can do it intentionally almost. I think it's like you go to a different place. If you're like really trying to do something like that, it's like a weird, maybe I sound crazy. I think we try to do it all the time. Maybe you don't think about it that way,

14:55But what you're doing is trying to connect with people and express yourself, and you're doing it, like, vibrationally. Fucking hippie talk, ladies and gentlemen. Bro. It's hippie talk I agree with. That's the problem with hippie talk. It comes from the mouth of hippies, occasionally. God damn it. You're discrediting all these interesting ideas. You guys want to play some music? Sure. Let's do it. What do you want to play? I want to play bad people. Sure. Tell me the punk kid story because I'm frustrated. What are you frustrated about? Because I love that song. That song has not died. You want to hear a song first? Yes. Okay. Whatever you want to do. Let's play Bad People. I'm going to take these off, I think. Is that okay, Jamie? I'll just sing. We just want to put it on our next record. Yeah. Okay. Good move. The legend will grow.

15:50There was some record company incongruencies that, like, we weren't able to do the things we wanted with it. We protected it by saying, wait. Good move. It's a good song. It's a weird song, too. It's a song that's got a lot of layers to it. There's a lot going on. A lot going on in that song. A lot of weird shit. Are we good to go? Can we just do it? I ain't the gatekeeper, I ain't the judge I ain't the one, didn't love you enough I'm just sitting in my own front yard Wishing the rain didn't fall so hard You got twisted, you got stuck You're listed in your own bad luck Tried your best to be the worst You must like it, that you're cursed And I think it won't come back to you Bad people don't come from nothing at all Bad people don't come from nothing at all Crashing and banging and burning Bad people don't come from nothing at all Oh, Jimmy was a broken boy. Single mile out of Illinois.

17:26Bred like a pit bull looking for a fight. Cracked on his nose. He was bloody all his life. All loneliness like an epidemic. Now he cashed a check and he won't regret it. Ain't no lovers left or friends. Self-defined is it dead and end down. I don't think he ain't a part of you. Bad people don't come from nothing at all. Bad people don't come from nothing at all. Crashing, banging, burning, falling. Bad people don't come from nothing at all. Oh, baby, tell me what you need Come on and lay on me I don't care what you need We all got some darkness up our sleeves Yeah, we all got some darkness up our sleeves Mmm Some pull us down and some pull us through Baby, it's a toss-up how you do Maybe someone decides for you. Maybe you don't even get to choose. And I, I don't know what's best for you. Bad people don't come from nothing at all. Bad people don't come from nothing at all.

19:10The grass is a bang and the burn and the fall. Bad people don't come from nothing Bad people Don't come from nothing at all Don't come from nothing at all God damn you guys How dare both of you How dare both of you for being so awesome God damn that was good You know what was really cool? People that are listening to this only, you don't know that Suzanne adjusted Ben's glasses in the middle of the song. Ben's glasses started to slip, and Suzanne, like a mama bear, came over and set you straight. Well, it happens a lot. But in the middle of singing without missing a beat, it was beautiful. You were looking for the moment to reach towards his face. Hello, I'm coming in, I'm coming in. Watch my hair. Here it goes. Fixing your glasses. And he started to slide down his nose. Yeah, there's nothing he can do about it. He can't break those. Don't be scared of one of them rubber band things.

20:14Man, I'm looking for them. You need like a strap. Yeah, dude, the croaky. Just something like we snap down like ski goggles. One day they're just going to have a shot. They're just going to shoot something in your eyeballs. No, he doesn't want that. My dad gets that. He's terrified. He's got macular degeneration, so he gets injections in his eyeball. Oh, Jesus. It's crazy. Good Lord. I think about that sometimes. If you could either go blind. or get hypodermic needles shot into your eyes every month? I'll take the month. Every month. Every month. Yeah. Because I'm not a pussy and I like looking at shit. Oh, my God. Okay. God, you're so tough. That's amazing. Hardcore. No, it's anybody that would answer that question. Joe doesn't say that he's hardcore, remember? Can't say it. He's medium core. Can't say it to no one, but they'll know you're a poser. I'm hardcore, bro.

21:09I was part of the hardcore, hardcore scene. There was hardcore guys. There was a bunch of guys who didn't believe that the guys were calling us all over. Did you wear a lot of leather? I didn't. I wore a suede. I wore this kind of suede that I should have wore if I was on a stagecoach in the 1700s. Oh my gosh. Tassels. I wore moccasins only. I wanted a tip throat through the woods. Making shit up. Moccasins seem cool. I wish I wore them more. It's interesting how all you have to do is wear a dead animal skin in a dark color and you're a rebel. You know, like the black leather jacket in the 1950s, especially with the little silver buttons. Oh, what a statement. Well, that's what I love about fashion. I think there's some really interesting things in there. People have these connections to certain elements of what you put on your body. I think it's fascinating.

21:58That's why all you people out there need to respect Rob Halford. Okay? Who's that? Rob Halford. Dude, Judas Priest? Oh. How dare you? I mean that guy Was probably one of the first Openly gay singers Of a fucking A band like that And he got everybody to dress like him Win Leather daddies You guys thought you were metal Well you really were It's the same thing You were kind of gay He didn't even know. He didn't even. He got you. He got you. He sucked you into his web. Brilliant. That's how badass he was. I had him on one of the, I did this show once for ES, or not ESPN, VH1. And he was one of the guests on the show. I got to hang out with that guy for like an hour. That's awesome. Was it cool? It was so cool. But it was so weird. It was like, God damn, I'm sitting here talking to rock and roll royalty. That's amazing. You know?

23:00When I was in high school, I had this friend that was obsessed with Judas Priest. You think I'll let him sit around and pick away my brain. Oh, my God. Out there is a fortune waiting to be had. This fucking kid, man, his life sucked. Oh, no. His life sucked. His dad sucked. His situation sucked. You got another thing coming. That fucking song, you got another thing coming, fueled that dude through high school. I swear to God it did. It's awesome. That's the crazy thing about what you guys do. Like, music can be heard. It's like fuel. There's something to it. Like, didn't Hunter Thompson had a, he had an amazing quote about that he thinks of music as inspiration. Or is it fuel? I think he said fuel. And he said that when you listen to it, you swear that you can get, I'm shittily paraphrasing what he said. But it was like you could You feel like you could drive further

24:00On an empty tank of gas That you could just keep going Like it'll allow you to go like 20% longer I forget what his actual quote was But it's true Like there's something happens When a song You feel stronger Right? If you were at the gym Some songs also like bring you back To this place that you'll never Always bring you back there They'll bring you back to this childhood of nobody can fucking touch that. This summer, every time I listen to this song, it brings me back to this time where I'm like, it almost makes you giddy, Hunter S. Thompson. Here's the quote. Music has always been a matter of energy to me, a question of fuel. Sentimental people call it inspiration, but what it really means is fuel. I have always needed fuel. I am a serious consumer.

24:49On some nights, I still believe that a car with the gas needle on empty can run about 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Perfect. Beautiful. Boy, did I butcher that. I haven't read that in forever. No, that was fucking great. You did great, Joe. I did a great shitty paraphrase job. A.C. Doocy? A.C. Doocy. For me, it was Suicidal Tendencies. You Can't Bring Me Down. This is the greatest weightlifting song in all. I swear to God, I'm 10% stronger. You can't break me down. You can't bring me down. You ever heard of suicidal tendencies? Absolutely. Fuck yeah, right? I used to work at a bar in Venice, and they would come in and play sometimes. Of course. That you can't bring me down, anybody who listens to that, you can lift more weights. You become stronger. There it is. You become stronger. You can run. You can be angry. Sorry. Sorry to interrupt.

25:35But that gave me a question in my mind. I just learned about estrogen blockers. Okay? How do you feel about it? Someone. Someone. Someone. An estrogen blocker. I feel the same way that I have with roach motels. If you need them, you should get them. Okay. Oh, my God. Interesting. Somebody just blew my mind the other week. He was like, I don't know. I mean, if you have a headache, you should get aspirin. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. What's going on, man? I was talking to somebody about building muscle, and he was like, dude, you should. The real problem with those things is what they're really good for is if someone is coming off of a steroid. because when you take a steroid, your endocrine system suffers, stops producing testosterone. And these things, they're called Clomid is one of them. And there's a couple other different companies that make a similar product,

26:31and it increases your body's ability to produce testosterone. It has this, like, infection, blocking the estrogen. You produce more testosterone. Your body tries to seek some sort of imbalance, and you sort of trick it. But I think we know so little about what does and doesn't work for you. There's a lot of experimentation going on. Like, well, maybe he needs this or maybe he needs that. How old is he? What's his background? But you can get this stuff over the counter, right? It's like, what have you done before you decide to do that? If anybody ever wants to do something, if they ever want to go, hey, man, I'm thinking about getting into a hardcore workout program. How many days in a row have you worked out? Be honest. Me? No, no, no. This is what I said. This dude. And they're like, too. I'm like, dude, you fuck. You fucker.

27:19Listen, if you want to start running marathons, you've got to run every day, bitch. I can't just keep talking to you. You're talking nonsense. Yeah. Right? And if you're saying, well, I'm thinking about taking estrogen blockers. How many days do you lift weights? How often? How sore are you? A little bit sore. Okay. But I don't even do it. It's never going to work. That's the thing. But if you want to do it, the first thing you do before you think about estrogen blockers Blockers or is just be consistent. It's the most important thing. It's more important than anything It's more important even than the amount of weight that you lift It's the frequency in which you engage in the act of going to the gym and exerting yourself Yeah, if you can consistently work out together We talked to this earlier But I don't do it but this is this is a class

28:06Available to everybody you could just take this shit and from no no need a prescription You do need a prescription. Yes, unless it doesn't work. I mean, unless it's fake. There's some fake ones that people make. Forgive me. Forgive my ignorance, but is this anything that, like, transgender people would take to... No, no, no, no. This is a different... It's really to try to stimulate growth of... Or stimulate the reproduction of testosterone by, like, trying to fuck with the balance. Like, by suppressing estrogen, you sort of try to elevate... Your body elevates testosterone. There's like some wrestling match going on. So why wouldn't a transgender person take that? Because they need hardcore chemicals. Oh, they need more than that. Yeah, they need bioidentical hormones that are in whatever gender they identify with,

28:50they decide to transition into, which is one of the, I mean, objectively, non-judgmentally, but objectively. It's one of the oddest things about the whole idea. It sounds so intense. Well, it's not just that, like, this is who you are. It's like this is who you're also putting hormones in your body to become. Right. Like what it seems like you feel like you should be. So there's many layers in a totally nonjudgmental sense. No one's telling you to not do it at all. But there's a lot going on there. It's not just identifying with something. It's choosing to transition into something. There's a lot. It's like there's some serious complexity to all this. And in a nonjudgmental way, it's very fascinating. It's very fascinating that we're becoming more and more comfortable with it. Because ultimately, isn't it really When it's all over Who gives a fuck? Jokes aside, laughing aside

29:45Serious hot debates Who cares If you want to be a man If you want to be a woman If you want to be both You want to switch back and forth There was a guy on one of the NPR A guy who switches back and forth Sometimes he's a woman, I'm a man now You don't mean hormonally In his head, the way he identifies He has two different people in his head One of them is a man, and then he becomes a woman. And in the middle of things, he goes, I just switched. I just flipped. He's talking to these people like, I'm a man now. And we're like, what? You can just do that? Isn't it possible he's crazy? Isn't it possible he's making shit up? Do we have electrodes? And sometimes he's like, what is he thinking about? Dicks. It's all dicks. Sometimes it's vaginas. Got some vaginas now. Well, I mean, there's definitely an emotional mental screening process for people that want

30:34to go like full throttle with the like dick to v d to v v to d switch it up unfortunately it's pretty dedicated it's surgery and I think there's going to come a really interesting time where they're able to manipulate what you are in a way that's not not like as primitive as cutting and stitching things back up together but maybe like somehow or another altering what you actually are Like changing the signal that your cells have and what shape you want it to form. I mean, I don't think that's outside of the possibilities in our lifetime. What about transmitting consciousness to a different body? Because people do talk about that. Well, we're also recognizing that your body's not—you need it while you're using it. But it's not all of you. And that the idea of who you are when you're not even connected to your body, that might be the real you.

31:30And what this body thing is, is like this, you have this like biological thing that you're attached to that sort of evolved with you. Yeah. And in just the same way, you have all this weird bacteria on your skin and weird flora in your intestines. That might be exactly what like life and the body is. And that consciousness in the body, they're really, they're kind of the same thing, but not really the same way. like the things that are growing in your body, all the millions and billions and trillions of microbes and life forms that live in every one of us. Those are, you know, we don't want to think that they're not even important. Without them, you're fucked. Just because you can talk doesn't mean they're not in on the whole thing. You're a giant collection of living, you know? It's incredible. Fuck, we're crazy. We're so odd It's true It makes me think of the planet thing

32:31You know, all of a sudden All these gases All this shit just boom Smacks together And then it's a thing Or it was a thing before Now it's The form changes But like The fuck is it? Why is the center burning up? I don't know I'm too dumb for that Me too I don't like things I'm too dumb for I like water on Mars Like hmm Wet water Ice What is it? I can get those concepts I understand I've seen water melt. I've seen it get cold. I've seen icicles. They got water on Mars. You've seen an icicle? Could you imagine if they really did find a life form on Mars? Haven't they, though? Haven't they found bacterias and, like, microscopic things? I think they've found evidence of biology. In my very rudimentary way of understanding what those guys are talking about,

33:18I think they find, like, there's certain signature patterns that they can find that might indicate some sort of biological life at some point in time. But I don't think they've found a smoking gun. I don't think they've found, like, a fossil or – am I right, Jamie? Does that make sense? And there's the potential that there's, like, forms of life that we cannot identify as humans. Sure. That, like, aren't, like, these, you know, physical elements, but that it's, like, almost something you just can't see, smell, taste, or touch, you know? It's, like – Well, it might be, and this is going to be the craziest thing to say, it might be that everything's alive. It might be that everything that you encounter reacts in some sort of a weird way.

34:00But we are so rigid in our idea of what's alive, what's not alive, or what's conscious and not conscious, what retains energy and what doesn't, that we don't think about it. We don't think about objects. Well, the psychics talk about multidimensional planes and stuff. and I don't know. I don't know where you stand on this stuff. I think they're mostly bullshit artists. There's a lot of bullshit stuff, but there's also stuff that I've seen that I can't explain. And I'm like, what the fuck is that? You know? Yeah, no, I know exactly what you mean. I feel too timid to talk about it right now. Well, it's like we were talking about the ghost hunting shows earlier, and I said, I don't not believe in... Like that guy, what's his name? Zach Baggins, he seems like a nice guy. I've watched a show for it. It's entertaining. He goes looking for ghosts. Well, can I tell you some ghost stories?

34:51Here's a ghost story. Okay. So my dad, running this restaurant with my uncle since he was 17. Kills a man with an axe. Not lately. Because he didn't pay for a pie. You said sauce on the side. Son of a bitch. But my dad was telling me this story that it wasn't that long ago that this family that's been coming into the restaurant for years and years and years came in and he saw everybody. He saw mom, dad, kids, beautiful grandmother shining in the back. And he said, hey guys, part of you five? And they said, no, just four. And he told this, this is my dad. My dad's not going to fucking make shit up. And he said he felt this incredible, like the grandmother was standing behind the family, just looking so happy and he was like, okay, four? And then he said he looked away and she was gone and he sat the family down and he was really freaked out and he was kind of like doing other stuff

35:59and he came back and he said, hey, how's your mom doing? And they said, oh, was she passed a couple months ago? And he had this moment where he was like, I felt like I should tell them and he did and he said, I feel really uncomfortable but I really feel like I need you to know that when you came into the restaurant, I saw your mother standing behind you guys. And they didn't freak out. And they just said, we really feel like she's still with us. And that's not the first time my dad's had a weird ghost story at the restaurant. He's had a few other experiences. And when he talked about it, he was kind of like, yeah, I fucking saw her. Like, I saw her. So your dad saw the old lady behind them. Yeah. And how old was your dad at the time? This is like last year, a couple years ago. It wasn't that long ago. Wow. Yeah. Look, if you can have people, if the idea that ghosts are ridiculous,

36:54why is it any more ridiculous than an echo? You ever get under a bridge and yell, Hello! Hello! Hello! Hello! Hello! Hello! Hello! Hello! Why is that weirder than ghosts? It's not, right? It's like ghosts could be just as likely could be like your your your actual life form whatever it was when you went sure I mean it might like echo I think we underestimate how powerful our energy is I mean people can leave a real impression people can stay with you like literally like have you ever had somebody who just like Fucking kicked your ass energetically and you left a place and you're like god I just feel like they're still with me like like that stuff is not to be taken lightly I think, and it can be the absolute opposite end of the spectrum of joy and love and kindness. And you can get energy in these places.

37:45And I think some people can have an innate ability to interpret it in a different way. Where they maybe actually see it or they hear it or whatever. You know, because I believe my dad. I love my dad. I believe him, you know. It's totally possible that someone can actually see an aura. But if you can't take a photo of it, I just have to bank on the fact you're not out of your fucking mind. You know, when I look at Ben. Well, you talk to my dad and you ask him. I don't know. Ben glows green. He glows green. All around him is green. Green is life. I see him. I see him. I see his aura. There are people who tell you things like that. It's purple. You don't. What is that from? It's from Almost Famous. Oh. That was a fun movie, right? So fun. Is that like the cautionary tale for the young rock star? That's probably the tempting Right? I am music Oh my god, thank god

38:44I don't know if we'll ever get there But maybe You don't want to get there You want to get like in the neighborhood You want to get like adjacent Beverly Hills adjacent It's 7.45 What time did we start this podcast? Earlier than 7.45 Oh my god Wow. Fix me to party debt now. It's been a while. You guys want to play another song? We should, but I also want to play our Sweet Thing video. I feel like we should play that. Okay, you want to play that first? It's fucking awesome. Okay, let's play it. It's on our... Jamie Vernon, ladies and gentlemen. We did this video, guys. We did this. I quit. I quit. You guys are awesome. What is this? We did this with our friend Dave Gruber Allen. Well, we have to be careful. We don't want you to flag us off of YouTube with this. Will you get in trouble? You guys might have some really overly enthusiastic record company.

39:54Do you have a good record company, or is your record company very litigious? They're great. By the book? They have not litigged yet. Ben Jaffe, come into the office, please. Did you or did you not give them permission to say and play Sweet Thing on their podcast? Oh, we're allowed. Whose has? We do. I would like you guys to say it into the microphone. Ben Jaffe, it's his incendiary, forming the entity. Honey, honey. Yeah, all right. Oh, there he is. Damn, that sexy bitch. Oh nice. Dave's the man. A little shoulder work. Wow. Oh, if you're not watching this, there's an old dude dancing. He's got white hair A long beard and long hair And he's signing Everything that Suzanne sings In a sexy, gyrating way Look at him I can't wait until This part I can't sleep With a pretty little voice Screaming me, me, me But I'll change you like a sweet name So it makes me sick Oh my God.

41:31Teaching how to say this day. And I'm making it clear. Talk to you in a time. I'm killing you all the time. Do my money. Give me some relief. If you're lying through your teeth, don't even matter. I'm living like a thief. I can't sleep with those pretty little voices screaming me, me, me. I'm changing how to sleep, hey, till it makes me sick, till I'm through it. I'm changing out of the sweet hair And I'm making it turn to rain Feeling like I woke up in the middle of a fist fight I got some sense of buzzing me I was out of the way I'm not going to be I'm not going to be Wow. Change it like a sweet baby. Yeah, it makes me so. Time to let it out. Oh, change it like a sweet baby. And I'll make it fair. Time to let it out. Change it like a sweet baby. I make it sick Till I'm through it I teach you how to sing Till I'm through it Till I'm through it That is awesome That's a fun video

43:39Thanks man What is it about videos where when you watch some shit that makes it look really old It becomes better like all the like the little scratchy things that made it seem like it was like an old movie yeah yeah why has it become better what is that what is that call to nostalgia in a mood put you in you know it's like oh this is familiar who's the old dude that was dancing he was awesome who's gruber dave gruber allen is he was um he's famous for a few things he was on a show called Freaks and Geeks, Judd Apatow's show. He played the guidance counselor. So there's like this weird cult following, but he was also the naked trucker on Comedy Central, and he's done a lot of really great work, but he's also been a really great friend of ours over the years. He's a great dude. When I first moved to L.A., I moved into a house, and he was my housemate. It was like crazy intro to the city.

44:35I was 18. I moved in, and he was much older, and just like, it kind of, I got to see all this great comedy that I never, like I'd never gone to a comedy club when I was a kid. They didn't have that where I was, where I grew up, excuse me. And I was going to this club in LA and seeing all these dudes like him and Patton Oswalt was doing his thing. At Largo. He would go to Largo. Guys, it was just great. Yeah, he's in that. Yeah, that's a very unusual video. No, well, like a little more on the house that Ben. Pretty consistent with our videos. The house that Ben lived in and now lives in again is kind of like this artist compound. And, like, Jim Turner owns a house, our really good friend. And he was our angel of death in our angel of death video. But, like, he was also Randy of the Redwoods on MTV. It's just fun to do shit with your friends. You know what I mean?

45:26That's what we keep doing over and over. They're these incredible people. We just want to do it with our friends. You know? It makes it doable. It makes everything more fun. Yeah. It changes what the thing is. Yeah. The thing goes from being a laborer to a party. Yeah. You know, it's awesome. And Jim and Gruber are like our family to us. So when we get to make fucking silly videos with them and whether people like it or not, like we love it. It's so fun, you know. Yeah. I mean, it's one of the coolest things that you can, when you do things like that today, you could just, you could distribute them in a way that you never would be able to just a decade ago, two decades ago, three decades ago. So, you know, you guys were people in the music business, especially, were so dependent upon like traveling and getting a reputation, you know, and word of mouth.

46:14You know, and some bands like became gigantic just through word of mouth. Like that was like a big thing back when we were kids. It was like underground music. Like if you found out, if you knew about the creeps, do you know about the creeps? Like people knew, they knew, people knew about it. Like you had to know, you had to know someone. You know like if you wanted to hear about some cool shit Just stop at the Run DMC. Do you know who cool G rap is? Do you know who G rap is? You need to know I need to get you a fucking demo tape You know there was like some dudes that were like these underground dudes and knowing who they were was like crucially important Oh, yeah, especially folks in Jamie's generation right crucially important to know who's on that he's very he'll like say with like Enthusiasm he'll inform me of the new hot players in the rap genre

47:02and I'll have to go, okay, so this is the guy now? Okay, and what's his deal? Yeah, Jamie, fill us in later, would you? He knows. Okay, awesome. Jamie's on the ball. Doing it. Oh, man. This has been educational, informational. It's been really fun. Inspirational. Poem, the end. That was my poem. I thought I snuck it in. You know, I know if I said, can I read my poem? you'd be like, oh, Christ. You'd have to say, yeah. Inside joke from podcast number one. Hey, Joe, can we tell the people that we're on tour right now? Oh, fuck yes, you can. Yeah, we're on tour right now, guys. We're going to be going through Texas, and we're playing, Ben, help me out here, New Orleans. We're in Tennessee. Nashville. In Nashville. We're in Southwest. Next couple of days, we'll be in Santa Fe. Powerful Santa Fe. We're at HoneyHoneyBand.com if you want to fucking get in on this.

47:57we're going to be playing a whole bunch until about mid-November what is the Twitter? Twitter is Honey Honey Band Honey Honey Band everything's Honey Honey Band Instagram Honey Honey Band that's what we are there's a lot of stuff going on we'd love to see you guys out there in the world they want to see you too maybe a little bit too much we get physical in the good and the bad way Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look out. A lot of flailing. Oh, no. We're back. We're back. We both got accosted by this woman in Long Beach recently. And it was amazing. All of a sudden, I was like, she was kissing my neck. And I was like, okay. There you go. Hold on a second. You need to buy me things first. How bad did her breast smell? No, she was really beautiful. But I was also, she was just so aggressive. And I felt like a fucking piece of meat. And I was like, let's not. Let's just calm down.

48:56I want to be treated nicely. That's right. Never lick you, Joe. That's right. Have you been licked? No. I got a good Heisman. I have a very strong Heisman. Heisman? Heisman trolley. Assume the Heisman. You got to keep people that are armed. You can't let them get close enough to turn you into a zombie. If you were on The Walking Dead and they were like, oh, no, no, no, no, bitch. If you're in the middle of the football field with a zombie, okay, you're not going to get me. Okay, you're not. I'm faster than that. They're slow. They're slow. And you just shoot right for the head. I know you do. Yeah, but if I have a gun. But I'm saying, like, if it's just me and the zombie, like, um, this isn't 28 Days Later. 28 Days Later is fucking terrifying. They're too fast. They get you. You got to go with the slow movers. Walking dead, I'll fuck those dudes up. I'll practice on those dudes.

49:44World War Z, they were moving fast, too. Yeah, but in the books, in the books, in the audio tapes, which we listened to on tour, they were slow. When I saw the movie, scared the fuck out of me. I will head kick the fuck out of a zombie. I'll tell you right now. Walking dead style zombies. I'll warm up with some soft work to the body. Keep moving. And then once I feel like this dummy is going to just walk right into a wheel kick, I'm going to try to take a zombie's head off. Try to kick a zombie right in the door. I wonder sometimes when people, like Halloween time, when people like to fuck with each other. And someone who's like, I'm going to dress up like a zombie and scare people. But if they take it to an extreme, if someone would actually go crazy on them. Because the fear of zombies is so great. People have definitely been killed by that in the South.

50:29Really? By being a fake zombie? A zombie impersonator? A hundred percent. Guys, don't do it. That's really dumb. I was in Montana right around the time. It was between maybe six months after I was in Montana that this happened. Some dude put on one of those suits. What are those suits called? Ghillie suits? Is that what it's called? Ghillie suit? He put on like a camouflage suit It's like this crazy camouflage suit Where dudes wear in the military to hide Or sometimes people use it for extreme hunting situations You like pretend to be one of the bushes And then you jump out and get people This guy did it and pretended to be Bigfoot So he put this ghillie suit on And stood by a bush And then when people were on the highway He stepped out into the highway And you know what happened? This fucking teenage girl accelerated into him and killed Bigfoot.

51:20She sent Bigfoot flying, and then here's where it gets even crazier. Another teenage driver going the opposite direction, then ran over him again. Oh, my God. They got double teenage... Are you serious? This is a real story. I'm telling you the truth. This is a real story. It's a real story. A man in a ghillie suit. Am I saying it right? I apologize if I'm getting it wrong. I thought it was a ghillie suit. It looks like a bunch of leaves, like your connected string. You know what I'm talking about? Sure, yeah. Fucking Wahlberg in that movie. That's what's up. Yep, I guess. This guy put that on. Pranks taking too far, guys. You can't, you know. We've got to have safety with our prankery, okay? But don't you think that that is the universe's way of eliminating idiots? If you really stopped and thought about it, like, what type of a person, like, what type

52:06of person goes, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to spend my day fucking with people. I'm going to wait until it gets dark. Like, real hard. I'm going to put on the camo. I'm going to jump in the middle of the road. This is going to be awesome. I mean, maybe. I think about that a lot with these haunted houses that people sign up to go in and have people fuck with you. I want no part of it. I don't want some stranger touching me with a fake chainsaw. The physical reaction is terror. I don't want that. You don't have to do it. Also, the people that are doing that I think have to be a little fucking askew in the brain. Like, there's something weird with, like, I'm sorry. Maybe this could be old-fashioned fun. Sure, sure. Just a little spookery. You're like, I pride myself on, like, you know, putting fake blood all over myself and just, like, getting people to shit their pants.

52:57I mean, that's fine. We all do weird shit. Well, if it's a job and it's like that or Night Fry Guy at Wendy's, what's a guy going to do? I'd rather have Night Fry Guy at Wendy's. Freaks you down. You'd rather be that job? Yeah. I think I'd scare the fuck out of some kids. Because a Night Fry Guy at Wendy's. For an extra dollar an hour. For an extra dollar an hour. I'll give those little kids nightmares. Fine! I'll do it violently. I'll get right next to you. Take it! The devil is here amongst you. Go home to your family. Remember this always. Oh, thank God. Good night, everybody. Some light trauma. Said that kid, what? What the fuck just happened? I can't do it. The devil is in you always. Oh, my God. No. Poor little eight-year-old. Please stop. That's how you get that $9 an hour. You only get seven at fucking Wednesdays. That's bullshit. You got to commit, though, dude. That was good.

53:48I want that extra deuce. Kids got to suffer. They have an adult summer camp. You can go sleep over and do that. Like, for two nights on a lake and all that. Did you ever see the documentary Jesus Camp? Yeah. Well, in bits and pieces, you've seen it, right? It's crazy. It's amazing. It's like sort of the opposite of the devil camp. Is there a devil camp? I'm sure there is. Let's go. There should be. Equal time and all that good stuff. They got some points. But it was a documentary on these people that were taking these kids and turning them into radical fundamentalists. Because they were like, their logic was we need Christian warriors because they're already developing Islamic warriors. Dude, people are tweeting about that. This guy rallying a Christian army. Whoa. That's terrifying. Settle the fuck down. That's what you want to tell them. Oh, Suzanne. So I'll just take a breath.

54:44That's what's up, right? Take a breath. Everybody's like, please. Whenever you watch that shit that's going on in the Middle East, beheading this and that and fucking stoning this and that, you're like, keep it over there, please. Keep it over there. Cut it out. That's the one thing that people don't want to address in this world when there's parts of the world that are just really, really fucked up. For some reason, as long as it's not right here. Years, years, years, years. We just talk about it and nothing fucking changes. Rectified. I know. We're so strange. Just the human animal, so strange. And we think we're having a bad day, you know. Our bad days are a joke. Oh, my God, I'm having a hard time quitting Diet Coke. Are you really? Oh, let's talk about that. No, I'm not. I'm just saying, that's like someone freaking out. This is bullshit. My spin teacher is an asshole.

55:36I'm fucking... I don't want to hear Duran Duran anymore. These are our problems. We're okay. We're okay, guys. Lucky people. Bunch of lucky people here. I think people, when they're alive, are lucky. If you think about the amount of people that have died, the fact that you're not one of them, you should be really fucking happy. You're lucky as shit. I feel okay about it, yeah. Yeah. We're all lucky. It's a perspective That perspective issue And the disenchantment with your own Position in the perspective That's like what fueled the whole thing It's like it's unavoidable in some way If I say like one more time I'll smack my salad Don't do that, not in front of us It's like I hear myself saying it I was like shut up bitch You know what you sound like bitch Smack You're extra liked You could fall into those things No, we're all lucky as fuck And I think Hopefully that trend will continue

56:41It may be really nice if the people next After we're done look back at us Like the way we look at those covered wagon douchebags You know, we look at those covered wagon douchebags Like, oh my god, you didn't even have medicine You had bark What did you do if somebody broke their leg? You broke their hand open with a rock And you might have went back to eat them. You bleed them out to make them better. Things are going well. People did a lot of eating people back in those days. Yeah. That might come back. That's how you got to judge civilization. How much cannibalism per capita? We just drove through the Donner Pass, and I was thinking about that. And I was like, Donner. And I thought about that Robin Williams. He's like, Donner, party of five. Oh, party of four. they didn't even know where they were going that's what I'm talking about like topographic

57:32fucking crazy like it would have just kept getting worse why were they so cocky they didn't even know america was there right they were in the wrong spot they when you think about the people that landed in the west indies that's where they they landed right the fact that they were so confident and not even knowing that north america existed they were in totally wrong spot then they move across North America, they get to these mountains, they get to these insane rocky mountains, they get to these immense peaks, like what's the highest, what is it, like 11,000 feet? More than that, I think, 15. It's huge. It's up there. And they just go, okay, let's go there. It's pretty big. Let's keep going. No, we'll figure it out. Can you imagine the amount of animals to people ratio at that point? It's not even cold up there, dude. Just keep going. Stop being a pussy.

58:17Like, what are the, did they know for sure what was on the other end? Like, what's the story before that? No, I mean, that's the whole Lewis and Clark thing, they were looking for a passage. They're like, this could be here. We hope this is here. But the Donner Party, was that the story? Because the Donner Party, had people already gone through? There was a lot of families. And I think it was like, I want to say like 50 people went through and like 20 people made it out. And then the people that didn't make it were fuel for the rest of the journey. Oh, my God. I mean, please quote me incorrectly. Correct you, right? Yeah. But Jesus, how bad must it have been where they were that they wanted to take that chance? I don't know. I feel like I'd just be like, oh, time to expire. Do you think they thought there was gold? Was it a gold rush thing? I don't know.

59:07I think it was people really desperately looking for their, you know, like, this is our place. We need to find our place. Oh, my God, though. We'll do whatever we need to do. Could you imagine being, like, the one person that was, like, just not that fucking gung-ho for this trip? and you're hanging back. That would have been me. Younger brother. You know, they're tying down the wagon. Give me your hand. No, I think you start with the ass and the legs. I think that you start with the meat parts, you know, the hide. I'd be like, let's stay in the meadow. This meadow is where all the animals are and shit. This is dark. Let's go back to the light. Yeah, that would suck. Imagine if they had a deal. I want you to eat me first. They had a deal. It's my idea I'm the one that told us to go over the mountain So if it all goes back I'll let you bash my head in with a rock And you can eat me

59:58No you have to die naturally first of like starvation Well then you don't have a lot of meat I don't know it's tough Oh that's some fucking alpha Only the strong survive type shit Yeah From Suzanne Yeah you just kind of like get a little bit of the meat off the bone Say it right now you're going to eat your grandma Oh my god You're going to have to eat your grandma Because she's going to die first Fuck why Right that's what I'm saying Why did you say that? Because that's what's going to happen. This is like some Grapes of Wrath shit. Right? Unless you decide this is sacrilege. Speaking of which, I'm hungry. I'll take the blame. That's what I'm saying. Do you guys want to get some dinner? Sure. Absolutely. Do you guys want to play any more songs? Do you want to hear anything? Whatever you want. What are you going to do now? We can do that. We've got a new version of it.

60:49It is popping off. A new version? Won't we just play it a little differently? Oh, my God. You guys are crazy. Violin solo going on this time. Oh, God. Violin? Yeah, let me just... Drop in. Wow, guys. Powerful podcast number two. Damn. What is that part of the violin called? A bow? It's a bow, yeah. Oh. I know these things. Also served as... You can hunt animals with it. You just kind of have to redirect it, like... You know? but it can also make sound with the violin. I'm breaking it down for you. You know? Just check our website for more details. Getting in there. I think I'm really out of tune, Ben. I wish I could play the fiddle, Cease. You can do it, dude. How many different things can you play? A couple. I can play the guitar. I will give you lessons. Drums. I can play the piano a little bit. Bass is really similar to guitar. $50 an hour. That's a lot of things.

61:48How much different is, I mean, obviously besides the physical movement. We'll talk later. Talk later. You got to play the drums, Joe. I think you dig it. Mm-mm. Not interesting. To clients. To clients. I'm not going to force it on you. He said I should play the drums. You should play the drums. Ben is an excellent drummer. He won, like, state competitions, this guy. I only have a certain amount of resources dedicated towards hitting things. Look, you give us martial arts lessons. We'll give you music lessons. You don't want to. Done deal, man. I just want you guys to stay steady being awesome. And I'll enjoy what you're doing. Okay, I think I'm good. Ben, how do you feel about your tonage? I feel pretty good, but I'm not really paying much attention. Okay. Keep it grimy, bitches. All right, we're going to do this. We're going to do this. I hope the people out there are okay.

62:43This is a lengthy one. They're going to be fine. We're not committing anybody to any of this That's the beautiful thing about a podcast You do whatever you want to do If you don't want to listen to this anymore Go to Radiolab, it's an awesome show If you ever heard about it There's one called Dark Code that's out now I highly recommend it Oh, Bill Burr's Monday Morning Podcast Another amazing one I love him Daniele Bolelli has a new podcast History on Fire, go there They're everywhere Podcasts here and there Honey, honey You feel good about that? Okay Ooh baby That fire's coming down Right into your walls Right out of your mouth And everything you love Is just ash on the ground Ooh, so what you gonna do now So you run to the river You run to the sea Sift through the rubble and search the debris But you won't find anything if you don't find peace Ooh, babe, so what you gonna do now?

64:30Don't wait until you die You can always change your mind and make it right So why are you still waiting outside? Maybe your mama didn't treat you right Maybe you just didn't sleep last night You know I don't give a damn why you wanna fight Ooh, babe, so what you gonna do now? Don't wait until you die Cause you can always change your mind and make it right So why are you still waiting outside? guitar solo And how it can harm you And I've had my conscience Rip me apart too So here's what we're gonna do now Take all of your needs And all of your sins All of the losses you threw in We'll carry the weight if it breaks every limb Oh, and that's what we're gonna do now Don't wait until you die Cause you can always change your mind and make it right So I'm still waiting outside Still waiting outside Still waiting outside Oh, God damn, Suzanne and Ben. You two are bad motherfuckers. Oh, man.

67:46Oh, my God, that's so good. Joe, thank you. Thanks so much for having us, man. Damn, that's good. That was really fun. Woo! That was awesome. We drank half a bottle of booze. We had some good talks. We're doing good. That song is, you got to release that version, too. Aw, thanks. You got to. Got to. That was awesome. I want to do a record that's more stripped down. I think that'd be awesome. Dude. Do it all. Do it all. Do both kinds. Just keep going. Take Adderall. Do what you got to do. Keep it coming. I want productivity. Yes, sir. You guys are awesome That was really fun It's an honor It really is It's an honor To have you guys Do that here It's so cool It's so Whatever it is You know Whatever you describe Something when Someone just nails it That's what that just was It was like The song The lyrics The music The sounds The whole thing Woo It's beautiful It's a work of art

68:45You guys should be proud Thanks man You're tapping into it Whatever the fuck it is Whatever you did To do that Keep doing that shit You know whatever it is, whatever path your mind is on that made you guys create that. Damn. It's good. It's really good. Really, really, really good. Thanks, man. You guys are the shit. Enough blowing you. Let's tell people where they can see you live and tell people how to get your shit. It's all Honey Honey Band. Is that the best way? Yeah, HoneyHoneyBand.com. That's the portal for everything. Instagram, for Twitter, for all that shit. Yeah, we have this little like forum on our website too called Talking Shit and we can like communicate with the people and we you know we comment back Do you actually call it Talking Shit? It's weird because you can't technically swear on it which is weird because we love to do that but it's Talking S capital H H I T

69:42Is it a message board? Yeah it's a message board Why can't you swear on it? I don't know I've tried and it'll stop me every time I try to send it so I have to which makes me feel really uncomfortable because I feel very comfortable with my potty mouth. Is this your own website? It is our own website. See, you don't need that. Who do we talk to about that, Ben? Mine's called Shit Talking 101. It's like the name of... Oh, fuck. Are you serious? Yeah, you could just change the filter. People can say whatever they want. The only thing I try to tell them is cut the racist stuff out. How did that happen? That's amazing. Go easy on that. Joe, we did not know about that. There's filters on message boards. You can set filters. You could have them totally uncensored. You could have people say whatever. We need to let the fucks out of the cage.

70:26There's a lot of them that come built in when you try to write fuck. It'll give you like asterisk, asterisk, asterisk, you know? They say the people that swear a lot are more in touch with their truth and themselves. Who said that? A lot of people. Let those words free, bitches. A whole bunch of people. Stop being a word slave. word slave master controlling those words. Let them all free. Do it. Liberation. Well, I'm glad we did two podcasts that way I don't feel that uncomfortable with you guys driving home. I think we reached a blood alcohol level of accepted. This was fun. You guys hungry? Let's get some food. Alright, honeyhoneyband.com honeyhoneyband Instagram honeyhoneyband Twitter Do you guys keep individual Twitter? No, we're one thing You're like that weird married couple That shares an email Maybe we should split that shit up I don't want to be the wedge

71:26I don't want to be the wedge Not in front of me Respect our friendship Good night, you fucking freaks We'll be back soon Much love, big kiss Bye bye Joe, that was fucking