Rupert Lowe

The conversation opens with the guest, Rupert Lowe, thanking Bret Weinstein, Jordan Peterson and Elon Musk for helping arrange the appearance. Lowe says the group is due to see Musk on Sunday and describes him as "an incredible support", helping because, in Lowe's words, "Britain's in bad shape". Lowe then introduces the subject he came to discuss: a report on rape gangs that his side crowdfunded.

Joe Rogan frames the topic as a question. He asks whether rape gangs really exist in the UK in 2026, whether they are being ignored or downplayed, and how the media and politicians are receiving the issue. Lowe does not answer directly. He starts with a long historical account of post-war British politics, which takes up most of this part of the interview before he comes back to the report itself.

Lowe argues that after the Second World War, Britain's elite chose to play a bigger part in Europe. To do that, he says, they had to diminish the power of the nation state and move towards a "European super state", the EU. In his telling, the people who built the European Union, whom he names as Monnet and Spinelli, saw the nation state as the cause of the world wars, a line he traces from Napoleon through the Kaiser to Hitler. He presents multiculturalism and open borders as part of that project and links the rape gangs to what he calls "this multicultural invasion almost of Europe".

Rogan asks whether Lowe believes this was done on purpose to weaken nationalism. Lowe says "Yes", then starts to qualify the answer ("I think that, well, I'm...") before Rogan asks who implemented it. Lowe answers that the European elite worked "in league with our elite". He recalls Britain joining the European Economic Community in 1975 and presents 1997 as the euro’s introduction in a story of political and financial integration. Those dates should not be adopted as the editorial chronology: the EU’s official timeline gives UK accession as 1 January 1973, and the ECB gives the euro’s launch as 1 January 1999, with cash introduced in 2002. His explanation of motives remains his political interpretation.

Lowe ties this to his own record. He says his first run for Parliament was a campaign to save the British pound, on the grounds that losing your currency means losing your sovereignty and national identity. He says Britain's gold reserves would have been shipped to Frankfurt, leaving the country an irreversible "vassal state" inside the EU. He credits Sir James Goldsmith with securing enough votes to force the establishment to promise a referendum before giving up the pound. Lowe argues that saving the pound eventually led to the 2016 referendum, in which, he says, the British people voted to take back their sovereignty. His comment on what the establishment "always knew" is cut off in the transcript.

Lowe describes his own position as favouring the individual and a minimal state. He says this is more part of American "DNA" than European, which he calls more statist.

Asked which countries the migrants came from, Lowe starts with people from Africa and the Windrush generation. He says they came "ostensibly" to fill jobs that, he says, the authorities always claim British people don't want to do. He describes early immigration as relatively slow but gathering pace, and points to the EU's freedom of movement as a rule that effectively removes national borders.

Lowe says the rape gangs have operated "we know they have for 30, 40, probably 50 years, to a lesser extent". He blames an acceleration on Tony Blair, who he says undermined historical constitutional law and oversaw more immigration from outside Europe, "South Asian countries in particular". His central explanation is cultural. He describes people coming from what he calls "clannish societies in South Asia" into high-trust societies that took thousands of years to develop, calling the result:

the cultural oil and water mix

To illustrate the high-trust Britain he means, Lowe says Lee Kuan Yew modelled Singapore on post-war Britain. He also mentions honesty boxes for newspapers in London and a country "completely at peace with itself" after winning the war. He compares the Second World War, fought to free Europe from Germany, with Waterloo, when Britain "relieved Europe of the French with Napoleon".

Lowe dates the main acceleration to after 1997. He lists Blair-era laws: the Human Rights Act, which embeds the ECHR, the creation of the Supreme Court, the Equality Act and "a raft of other legal acts". He argues these empowered a multicultural society that "in some ways, I think, damaged the interests of the British people".

Rogan presses on motive. He asks what the elite gains from joining with Europe: whether it is purely financial, or a power strategy in which lowering people's quality of life and adding laws and restrictions makes them easier to control and reduces pushback against politicians. An ad read for the Netflix series The Hawk interrupts the exchange before Lowe answers.

Lowe agrees "basically, yes" and frames the issue as "the age-old battle between individualism and collectivism". He calls the EU a collectivist construct. He contrasts it with Britain under its constitution and the 1689 Bill of Rights, much of which, he says, the American founding fathers lifted into the US Constitution, including freedom of speech and the rights he credits with making "the Anglo-Saxon world great". He gives no evidence in this passage of deliberate intent beyond this ideological framing.

Rogan then asks how Britain reached the point of "arresting 12,000 people a year for social media posts". The figure is Rogan's, and Lowe accepts it without adding detail: "It's, Joe, it's shocking." Lowe recounts his political history: opposing the Maastricht Treaty, the 1997 campaign, work for Business for Sterling and Vote Leave, and election as a Brexit Party candidate. He says he is now 68, an MP, and running a party called Restore Britain to re-empower the individual, return to the original constitution and protect the interests of the British people, to whom he says government should be accountable.

So I've been fighting this march towards an unaccountable state, which effectively rewards collectivism and punishes individualism

Asked whether unchecked immigration is still happening, Lowe says illegal migrants still arrive by boat and are not being deported under current laws and treaties. He blames the judiciary, calling the judges, since the Supreme Court was created, "a quango, a woke Kwango", and says: "I think a lot of our judiciary is corrupt." He also points to foreign prisoners in British prisons. He names what he considers probably the biggest wave of immigration, under Conservative Prime Minister Boris Johnson, which he says brought in "thousands hundreds of thousands" of people who are now a burden on the British taxpayer.

Rogan asks whether a large share of these people receive welfare and what percentage. Lowe answers "Yes" but gives no percentage. Instead he says that most new arrivals "they're all supported" and are put in hotels. He says parliamentary questions have let him scrutinise the contracts. As an example he cites the Bibby Stockholm, a boat he says cost the British taxpayer one and a half billion pounds and now lies unused. He says he has seen contract terms for laundry, taxis and food, and compares the arrangements to "staying in a very comfortable hotel".

When Rogan asks how many people are involved, Lowe admits the figure is unknown:

I don't think the government knows, Joe, in answer your question.

Rogan draws a US parallel, saying that "on the low number" an estimated 10 million people entered America over the previous four years, which he calls "insane".

Lowe sets out his party's proposed order of action, which he says is in a mass deportation document he has given Rogan. The document, he says, sets out the constitutional reasons for the problem, how to correct them, and how to detain and deport people who should not be in the country. He says the first targets would be illegal arrivals, people living in Britain illegally and foreign criminals, summed up as: "to my mind, illegal means illegal". After that, he says, attention would turn to people living in Britain who are on welfare, are not working, would "probably" cost the taxpayer for the rest of their lives, and are culturally and religiously different from what he calls the Christian religion.

Lowe says some groups live in small communities that have not integrated, live under Sharia law and run their own courts. Rogan restates this as a parallel legal system that the British government does not recognise. Lowe corrects the framing: "It's tolerated." Asked whether the authorities know about the punishments these courts hand out, Lowe says it is "rather like they're policing their own people under their own laws" and that this is allowed. He states his principle that anyone who comes to Britain should live under its laws. He does not describe specific cases or punishments in this passage.

Rogan adds a qualification from the American side. He calls the United States a melting pot and says its mix of cultures is "one of the cool things". He then argues that certain cultures become a real problem when they bring their home countries' laws with them, citing different treatment of and respect for women, and not allowing dogs. He extends this into a warning about Western generosity, then asks what happened to the civilisations behind the Colosseum and ancient Greece. He suggests the answer is "probably" what is happening in England and what could have happened in America.

But you can care so much that you let in criminals and then you give those criminals all your money and then the criminals can take over your country slowly but surely.

Lowe identifies the laws Rogan describes as Sharia, or Islamic, law and offers Lebanon as his example. He says Lebanon became independent in 1948 as a confident Christian country with the best universities and an open society, and that Beirut in the 1960s was meant to be the best place on earth, with great wine and freedom. He admits he never visited. He says that once the Muslim population passed "about 15%", problems began, leading to civil war between the Druze and Maronite Christians on one side and Muslims on the other. He says Lebanon is now a Muslim country effectively run by Iran-backed Hezbollah. He presents the 15% threshold as a cause of the war without further support.

Lowe returns to the report. He says 20,000 "concerned English people" crowdfunded it, giving varying amounts that totalled about £600,000, which he calls "not a huge amount of money". He says they did it because the government will not hold a statutory inquiry, and that they wanted to push it into holding one.

His explanation for the government's refusal is electoral. He argues that Labour has presided over the problem because of the Muslim bloc vote, gathered through postal voting in inner cities where Islamic populations have historically voted Labour. He adds that this is starting to change, with some of those voters now backing Muslim independents, some of whom sit with him at the back of Parliament.

Lowe says Elon Musk raising the issue was a reason he got involved, because many people in the UK do not know how widespread the abuse has been or how long it has gone on. An ad read for OnX Offroad follows. Rogan then asks whether this lack of awareness is a failure of the media or of politicians. Lowe blames the media first and repeats his claim that the postal bloc vote, which he says needs changing, has kept Labour in power. He sums up Labour's conduct: "So they've put power ahead of principle."

It's a total failure of the media, because the media are supposed to be an independent body that holds to account failures of the state.

On method, Lowe says the inquiry began "with a completely unbiased view of what we would find". He says it took over a year and was led by Sammy Woodhouse, a rape gang victim who has a child by her rapist. He describes interviewing victims, preparing witness bundles, hearing witnesses, and a two-week hearing in London with a barrister. The description continues: Lowe names the presiding barrister as Graham Smith and says he also helped write the report; he says the inquiry began from court transcripts and calls for historical transcripts to be retained. He also says the report covers Islam's dislike of dogs, which he attributes "largely because Mohammed liked cats".

Lowe initially gives a political explanation for the response to the rape-gang inquiry, then continues by describing court transcripts, the inquiry process and conclusions he attributes to the report. The interview does not independently supply or test the report’s evidence, so those assertions should remain attributed to him rather than treated as established findings.