Michael Schiavello (Part 2)

This section of the conversation opens mid-argument. One speaker contends that society has deemed women "more sexual," pointing to their use in advertising "to sell watches and cars," and concludes that a gay man would have fewer problems having sex with a woman than a straight man would with a man. The speaker carves out one exception, prison, where men will insist they are not gay but simply need a sexual outlet. The speakers present this as their own reasoning, without supporting evidence.

Prison becomes a broader example of how far people adapt. One speaker describes seeing a shank made from toilet paper that had been hardened until it was "like plaster," and says investigators did not know how it was made. The speaker first says the maker attacked someone with it, then corrects himself: "I don't think he did I think they found it." The same speaker lists other prison improvisations, including homemade tattoo ink from burnt plastic and paper and battery-powered tattoo machines, as evidence of inmates' ingenuity under pressure.

one of the things about prison is that these guys are forced to adapt and survive and kind of use their ingenuity, use their creativity, and create things.

The fighter War Machine is mentioned as having been released "like a few days ago." According to the speakers, he had been in some sort of fight inside and said on Twitter that it "wasn't a pretty experience." One speaker calls this "small-time shit" because it was "just doing a year," and cites lockdown television shows as a picture of how frightening longer sentences can be.