Sarah Paine — How Mao conquered China (lecture & interview)
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What I’m about to say are my ideas, they don’t necessarily represent those of the US government, the US Navy Department, the US Department of Defense, or the Naval War College, you got that clear? Complain to me if you got problems.
All right, I’m going to talk about Mao. He’s an incredibly consequential figure. For the 20th century, he’s one of the most consequential political or military figures, and he’s also one of the most important figures in Chinese history of any century. And he’s also a terribly significant military-political theorist.
And this is not an endorsement of Mao. It is rather just an accurate description of his global and enduring importance.
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Think about China historically: it’s represented- I don’t know- a third of the world’s population, a third of the world’s trade. That’s a big slice of humanity. Moreover, Mao’s theories have been used by many enemies of the United States to take over failing states from within in order to assert dictatorial rule. He is also probably the most brilliant and most famous psychopath in human history, and that is saying a lot.
So here we go. This presentation is based on the first eight volumes of Stuart Schram 's Collected Works of Mao. What Schram did is he compared Mao’s complete works, as published in the 1950s, to whatever he could find as the earliest version of whatever it was. Then he reinserted whatever had been cut in italics.
So tonight, watch the italics. Mao didn’t put all of his best ideas in one place; he scattered them all over the place.
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And so what I’ve done for you all is prepared a jigsaw puzzle of all of these different ideas. In order to make it comprehensible to you, of all these random little tidbits, you have to have like a coat rack to hang all the hangers, and that’s called a simple framework, and I’ll get there, but in your own lives, when you’ve got all kinds of complicated things to transmit to others, you can look at what I’m doing tonight, and you can do it for other things as well. So here we go with good old Mao.
And oh, by the way, a lot of those 8,000, 7,000 pages weren’t that interesting, so in a way, you owe me.
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All right, these are major military theorists, just to run you through them. Clausewitz is the West’s major military theorist of bilateral conventional land warfare. Sun Tzu is Han civilization’s great theorist of how you maintain power in a continental empire, multilateral world using coercion and deception.
The two fellows on the right are maritime theorists. In a way, they’re writing the missing chapters of Clausewitz that doesn’t talk about naval warfare at all.
The top one is Alfred Thayer Mahan, the Naval War College’s finest. And what he’s writing about are the prerequisites for and strategic possibilities for maritime power.
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And the Briton underneath him there, Sir Julian Corbett , is writing about how a maritime power, i.e. Britain, can defeat a continental power, i.e. Germany or France. But all of them are writing about warfare between states, and Mao is a different event.
Mao has to do with triangle building. The term "triangle building" comes from Clausewitz. Clausewitz has this nice little passage here where he’s talking about these abstractions: passion, creativity, and rationality as being mainly but not exclusively associated respectively with the people, military, and government.
A state has full-up military and civil institutions that have some connection to their people, but an insurgent is going to be building these things from the ground up. So that’s what Mao is doing, is he’s actually taking over the host from within by building a shadow government and eventually taking power.
Many of the decolonizing world after World War II were really sick of the West. They’d been colonized, didn’t want to hear anything about them. But it seemed as if the Soviets or the Chinese perhaps offered a better model, the Communists, and many thought that the Chinese, Mao, offered the better model.
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Why? Because the decolonizing parts of the world were also agricultural and underdeveloped, unlike Russia, which had quite a military—excuse me, an industrial base. They thought Mao was the more relevant guy. All right, here’s Mao at his iconic moment. He’s proclaiming the victory of the Communists in the Chinese Civil War.
China had been a broken state basically since 1911, when the last dynasty had fallen and the country had broken out into a multilateral civil war that he eventually wins. I’m going to be talking tonight about Mao’s theories from the 1920s and 30s when he had the time to write, but there’s a lot more to Mao than just that. He had quite a track record.
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Once he won the civil war, he imposed a social revolution. What’s that? It’s more than a political revolution. You’re not just replacing the government; you’re going to wipe out entire social classes. And I don’t mean then, "Hey, here’s your one-way ticket out of here" kind of way. No, no, a social revolution is, "Here’s a mass grave, dig it, and then you’re in it" kind of way.
So, if you look at these statistics of Chinese deaths in many of their wars—this is from much of the Maoist period, I think it’s '45 to '75—what you’ll notice, the figures in white, I believe, are civilian deaths, not military deaths. And it gets really quite ugly. There are more Chinese civilian deaths here than all deaths in World War II.
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And then for those of you who think the Chinese are all great long-term strategists, you need to ponder these numbers. How is it possible to kill so many of your own? That’s generally not a mark of good strategy.
Moreover, most of them died during the Great Famine, which was the only nationwide famine in Chinese history. Why? Because it’s not caused by the weather. It’s caused by policies set in Beijing. During the Great Leap Forward, Mao put all the peasants on communes.
That meant the party was in control of the food supply: i.e, who lives and who dies. You don’t get a meal, you’re very dead. In addition, he decentralized industry, and you can see these backyard furnaces pictured here. As a result of this, production collapses—agricultural and industrial. But Mao keeps exporting food. Why?
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Because that’s his pocket change. That is a major source of government income if he wants to be able to do anything, so they keep exporting food. As a result, 40 million Chinese starved to death, primarily in rural areas, and disproportionately peasant girls, the least valued members of society.
The statistic of 40 million deaths comes from this book by Yang Jisheng, who has written the definitive work. The English translation is but one volume; the Chinese original is three. Yang worked as a journalist for many years, which gave him access to provincial archives, where he surreptitiously investigated the statistics of people who were starving to death, including his father, for whom he wrote this book to serve as an eternal tombstone.
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So, on the one hand, Mao is the military genius who puts Humpty Dumpty back together again when nobody else could, and they tried for the previous 40 years. On the other hand, he is the psychopath incapable of running an economy in peacetime.
Yet many Chinese revere him as a national hero. Why? Because in their minds, certainly of the Han, the preponderant group in China, one of the key things that their country should and must be is a great power. And Mao, by reunifying China under the banner of communism and then fighting the coalition of all the major capitalist powers to a stalemate in the Korean War, or in their mind a victory, that constitutes ending what they consider the era of humiliations that started in the mid-19th century and ended with the Communist Revolution.
So he’s a hero at home. All right, to understand Mao’s theories, I need to put it in the context of the wars that he fought.
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So in 1911, Qing Dynasty collapses. The country shatters into a multilateral warfare among warlords, these provincial leaders. On this map, you can see the different colors and shadings; those are different warlord areas.
But the Nationalist Party and the Communist Party form a united front in 1923 in order to eliminate these warlords. And so Chiang Kai-shek, who is the head of the Nationalist Party, a generalissimo, not just a general, has a nice artwork on his portrait.
He is the man who’s leading the northern expedition to fight off all the warlords. Except he stops midway near his power base in Shanghai, and he turns on the communists, massacres them in droves. This is the White Terror .
Why? Because he thinks that while he’s away fighting, they’re trying to take over his government while he’s away. He’s correct. So he keeps on moving there.
There’s a nominal unification of China under Nationalist rule when this takes place. In addition, once he’s done with that, then he wants to eliminate the Communists for good. And so he runs a series of five encirclement campaigns around their base areas that are scattered in South China.
The primary base area- a base area is also called a Soviet, is the Jiangxi Soviet. And on the fifth encirclement campaign, Chiang Kai Shek is finally successful. He sends them off on the long march up to, way up north in desolate Yenan.
Long march is a real misnomer. It’s the Long Rout. The Communists lose 95% of their forces.
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I believe in English “decimate” means to lose 10%. Losing 95%, I think you need a whole new verb for what’s happened to you. But Chiang Kai Shek doesn’t wipe them out, because he’s suffering from divided attentions.
When the West did the original- well it was both the United States and Europe, the United States does its original America first thing with a Hawley-Smoot tariff, putting tariffs up to historic highs. And then everybody, of course, retaliates. And now everybody’s got high tariffs.
Well, here’s trade dependent Japan, that’s always cooperated with everybody and suddenly they’re toast. And so their solution is autarky and they need an empire large enough to be autarchic. And so then that’s when they invade Manchuria in 1931.
So Chiang Kai Shek has all of a sudden lost this area from China that’s greater than Germany and France combined. It’s a mess. And so he has to, he’s trying to balance what to do about Japanese versus Communists.
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The Japanese don’t quit with Manchuria. They stabilize the place, they make massive infrastructure developments, they transform it into the most developed part of Asia outside of the home islands, but they keep on going. And it gets so bad that the Communists and the Nationalists form a second united front because they’re facing this lethal threat called Japan.
And they organized that in December 1936 in what’s known as the Xi’an Incident. And the Japanese react viscerally because they look at it, and the Nationalists have gone over to the dark side because they’ve joined up with the Communists. And this is when the Japanese escalate in 1937, go down the Chinese coast up the Yangtze River.
Uh, and well, but then they wind up stalemating. Once they get beyond the Chinese railway system, which isn’t that great in this period, the Japanese can’t stabilize the place and the Soviets start adding more aid, and we add more aid. It’s a mess.
So the Japanese decide they’re going to cut Western aid to the Chinese. And that’s where Pearl Harbor comes in. That’s what the attack of Pearl Harbor is all about, is telling Americans to stay out of Asia, which of course, you know, we did just the opposite.
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And then the Nazis interpret their alliance with the Japanese broadly to declare war on the United States. So when that happens, you have a regional war that had already been going on over Poland in Europe and this other war that had been going on since `31 in Asia, they unify into a global World War. Mao understood that he was dealing with three layers of warfare, nested wars, that he was fighting a civil war against the Nationalists within a regional war against Japan.
And then after Pearl Harbor, there’s going to be a global war that will eventually morph into a global Cold War. Most of his writings are written before Pearl Harbor. So he’s going to focus on the first two layers of what’s going on here.
So after the World War II is over, Mao goes after the Nationalists full bore, and the Japanese have already very much weakened the Nationalists and Mao wins the civil war. Okay, these are the wars.
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Now, I promised you a simple framework. Here’s the simple framework. Simple framework should have three to five things because that’s all about any of us could really handle on short notice. And so I got four here.
And I’m going to use Clausewitz’s definition of great leadership to analyze Mao. According to Clausewitz, in a general, two qualities are indispensable. First is an intellect that even in the darkest hour – and Mao had many of those – retains some glimmering of inner light, which leads to truth.
And second, the courage to follow that faint light wherever it may lead. The first of these qualities is described by the French term, coup d’oeil. Coup is a glance, d’oeil is an eye, taking in a situation with a glance of an eye. And the second is determination.
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Well, Mao had these things in numerous areas. I’m going to first discuss Mao the propagandist, that’s how he starts out. And then I’ve got what I say here is Mao the social scientist.
But what he was really good is data analysis, data collection and analysis. He truly understood the countryside because he collected all sorts of data about it and analyzed it. And then I will go on to Mao, the operational military leader, winning and fighting battles.
And then at the end, I’ll talk about Mao the grand strategist, integrating all elements of national power. So that’s my game plan. That’s the simple framework. And away we go.
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All right. Mao began his public service career as a propagandist. And if you look at his early biography, he’s born in 1893 to a prosperous but not particularly well-educated father who tilled his own land.
Mao hated his father and he hated farming, so he left as soon as possible. After the 1911 revolution for a little while he worked as a soldier, didn’t like that.
He joined and then dropped out of a series of vocational schools. He tried being a, what was it? A merchant, a lawyer, I’m missing something else, a soap maker. Imagine Mao, three stages of personal hygiene, whatever.
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It was not to be. But he eventually gets an Ed degree, so he can go off and be a primary school principal. Okay, imagine setting your child off to the psychopath doing show and tell.
And then he joins the Communist Party. And it’s during the First United Front so he also joins the Nationalist Party. And he has very important positions. If you look at, he’s in the National Party, he’s at their central headquarters, and he’s the minute taker. So he’s the fly on the wall listening to everything.
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And then he’s a stand in for the head of the propaganda department, which is probably where he learned a great deal about the importance of propaganda. And here’s what he says early on, “the Communist Party can overthrow the enemy only by holding propaganda pamphlets in one hand and bullets in the other”.
And if you look at the original organization chart of the shadow Communist government, you’ll see there are only what, six departments there? One of them is a propaganda department. If you have no power, words are, is, your initial way into gaining power. I’m now going to use a framework from my wonderful colleagues, Mark Genest and Andrea Dew, this is theirs, about analyzing strategic communication in terms of messenger, message and medium. And I’ll go through each three, all three.
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What you see here is a propaganda poster. It’s a woodblock print. That’s the medium. And it’s a very easy way to reproduce pictures back in the day.
The message is about a model laborer, this “always emulate Wu Man Yo”, lucky us. And to do all the nice things he does with whatever is going on there. So that’s what that is.
Now, messengers were the delivery system, the broadcasting system for the Communist Party. So you’ve got the Communist Party, but you’ve got to reach an audience. And that’s what these messengers are doing.
And so they go into local areas and they identify local grievances for attention by the Communist Party, which when it fixes them or fixes somebody, that will generate loyalties and allegiance. So these propaganda personnel would be identifying local bullies to come in and deal with them, organize mass rallies. During battles they’re going to double as medics, after battles, they’re going to propagandize POWs, between battles, they are helping on troop morale. But what they’re really doing is reporting back to Communist Central exactly what’s going on.
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And civil and military messengers differ. For civil messengers, they would be activists, maybe in the local government, labor unions, peasant organizations, women organizations, any number of these things. And it’s there, it’s your broadcasting system to reach a population and mobilize it.
Military messengers are a little different. Every single military unit had about a 20-member propaganda team. That’s a lot of people. According to Mao, the propaganda work of the Red Army is therefore first-priority work of the Red Army. This is very different from soldiering in the West. This is not how it would work.
Also, Mao had his international broadcasting system. These would be foreign journalists. While Mao was holding court up in Yenan, he invited many of these journalists up there. Edgar Snow was by far the most famous. Why? Because he was the first one in and the last one out. He had really long interviews with Mao, and Edgar Snow, this is when he was an old man, but when he was a young man he never asked, "Why does this A-list political leader spending so much time with me?" That never occurred to Edgar. But it’s hours .
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And he was a very fine writer, Edgar Snow. What Edgar Snow writes, Red Star Over China , you can probably go to Barnes and Noble and pick up a copy there. It’s been in print ever since, and it’s the original footnote in Chinese history because no one knew anything about Mao.
And so then everybody starts citing Edgar Snow, and then we cite everybody and everybody and everybody. But actually, it only goes back to Edgar Snow. So, Mao got his word out.
Mao thought, "You want to keep the message simple. You want to make it epigrammatic so that people can understand it rapidly." In his day, this meant having matching slogans, the equivalent of newspaper headlines, to provide a lens for people to understand events, rather like tweets in our own day. So, when the White Terror occurred, when Chiang Kai-shek is turning on the Communists in the first United Front, the slogan was, "Arm the peasants."
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And then, when the Japanese invaded Manchuria in 1931, the new slogan is, "Down with imperialism and the Nationalist Party too," because you want to smear your enemy in the civil war while you’re at it there. But there are a whole series of these slogans. And here, Mao is one of the most popular poets in China, certainly, of the 20th century.
He could write really simple couplets. If you look here, I think it’s a total of eight characters so that someone who’s semiliterate can make their way through this poem.
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On the other hand, he wrote really complicated things because he needed to garner the support of intellectuals initially before he’d educated enough peasants and workers to take over. Intellectuals prize poetry, and they also prize what’s called grass writing , which is that unintelligible Chinese stuff that’s under there. But if Mao set these poems to tunes that everybody knew, people could sing them on the Long March and elsewhere and learn them that way.
So, he’s an incredibly accomplished man. He also understood you have to manage the message, and the way he did that is through political mobilization. Part of that is you’ve got to tell people what the policy objective is, which for him was abolishing imperialism, feudalism, and the landlord class, and then presenting a strategy for how to get there.
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And here are the media that he used: not only the written and spoken word but also the dramatic arts in order to get the message out. He also used an institutional medium of education. And here is Mao, the primary school teacher, in his element.
Most of the people in his armies were illiterate, but Mao knew all about how to reach them. And if you can see in this slide, there are a lot of political commissars . What are they?
Political and military commissars come in a pair. Military commissar is the military professional who actually knows about the fighting. The political commissar is the one with the direct line to the secret police who will cap the military commissar if there are any problems whatsoever.
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So, Mao’s got an elaborate network to get the message out, offering all kinds of social services to people, not only medical but also education for peasant children. And he also educated their parents. This is for the first time in Chinese history.
He did it during the winter slack season. Now, the Nationalists had also tried to improve education, but once the Japanese invaded full bore, they had to drop it because the Nationalist conventional armies are the ones that are fighting off the Japanese conventional armies. The Communists are a guerilla movement, and they’re operating behind enemy lines.
So, as the Nationalists are dragooning people into their armies, the Communists are busy offering social services, and I’ll get to land reform. And so for the peasants, before too long, it becomes a no-brainer whom they’re going to support. Mao also emphasized professional military education because he needs to turn peasants to cadres , to guerillas, to conventional soldiers.
And there’s got to be an educational pipeline to do this. And if you look at this Northwest Counter-Japan Red Army University, of the first original departments, political work is one of them. This is not professional military education the way it’s done in the West, it’s a separate thing.
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Okay, part one over: Mao the propagandist, I’ve covered that. Now I’m going to go about Mao the social scientist.
And here, he says, "The peasant problem is the central problem of the national revolution. If the peasants do not rise up and join and support the national revolution, the national revolution cannot succeed." And if you look at his, further along in his biography, while the first United Front was still operative, he’s heading the Nationalist Party’s Peasant Institute in Guangzhou and also their Central Commission on the Peasant Movement, learning a great deal about it.
But once the White Terror hits, he needs to get out of Dodge fast, or they’ll kill him. And that’s where he flees to Jiangxi Province, to the Jiangxi Soviet, where he is going to become the political commissar of the 4th Army. He’s also going to be in charge of land reform as he figures out how to calibrate that to make it work.
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All right, for Mao, he’s doing data-driven survey after data-driven survey, does a whole series of them between 1926 and 1933. And he’s trying to figure who owns what, who works for whom, who tills where, and inventories down to the last pitchfork and last chicken, as he’s trying to establish what is really going on on the countryside, and he does. What he concludes is that 6% of the rural population owns 80% of the land, and 80% of the population owns only 20% and his solution is going to be revolution.
And he goes further into the statistics and he identifies 70% as poor peasants, 20% who are like his father—they till their own land, they’re middle peasants—and then there are the exploitative 10% who don’t get their hands dirty with anything. And what Mao is trying to figure out is how you can incentivize 80% of those people into actively taking part in the revolution. This is the key.
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And what he wants to do is take the bottom of the social pyramid and mobilize it to crush the top of the pyramid. The way he’s going to do this is by determining class status through a land investigation movement, which he says is a violent and ruthless thing. We’re going to talk about class, approval of class status, confiscation of land, and redistribution of land in order to invert the social pyramid.
He’s got a real plan for doing it. He argues that land reform is just essential for peasant allegiance. This is how you’re going to get it, to draw these hundreds of millions into supporting the communists. But you got to do it sequentially: you’ve got to propagandize first, and then you’re going to distribute land later. A little bit later. He had a very bureaucratic way of redistributing land, the approval of class status, he said, it’s a life-and-death decision for the person in question.
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It starts out with a vote at the local level, and then it goes through many layers of party approval before being sent back to the local level to announce who’s going to get the land and who’s going to take a bullet. And then Mao leverages the enthusiasm of this movement for the people who are going to get the land, the other people, not so much. He’s going to leverage this enthusiasm to get people to join the party and also to join the army.
Mao is planning to collectivize all land. That’s what the Communists are going to do. But he says, "Look, the system of landlords and tenants cannot be completely destroyed yet."
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Because he needs the peasants to join him, and the peasants desperately want land. So, Mao gives it to them, and he gets a great deal of support for doing this. But he also keeps the rich peasants around, too.
This is a deleted portion in the collected works: “because rich peasant production is indispensable”. Until he wins the civil war and can then turn the guns on them. And he’s also got a duplicitous program for the middle peasants. It’s a big bait and switch.
It looks like you’re going to get -- see, you got the land? Well, now you do, and now you don’t, because at the end, they’re all going to lose their land.
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In order to reform, to get the land, Mao is talking about a red terror to get it. And while he was still with the Nationalists, he wrote a report on the peasant movement in Hunan, where he’s talking about taking all the land from the landlord class and shooting them. And that won’t cut it with the Nationalist army because their officers are landlords. So, as part of his program, it’s not just land reform and educating people, warm and cuddly. It’s also coercion.
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Okay, that’s Mao the social scientist. Enough of him. Now, we’re going to do Mao the military leader.
You’ve probably heard this chestnut from Mao: "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." Mao spent his- it’s still part of his early career- being right but being a minority view. That he had certain views about military operations that were not shared by Communist Central. And Mao kept following that dim light wherever it may lead, and events eventually vindicated him. He survived a variety of encirclement campaigns, but then he had some troubles. And here are his critics.
Li Lisan was a labor organizer, he was the de facto head of the Communist Party from 1928 to 1930. And after the white terror on the Northern Expedition, Moscow had told its communist buddies in China that the next thing to do was to take the cities.
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And so Li Lisan tries to, with the Nanchang uprising in 1927. It was a total disaster. And he tries it again in 1930 with the Changsha uprising, another disaster.
That got him into exile in Russia and according to Mao, Comrade Li Lisan did not understand the protracted nature of the Chinese Civil War. Li Lisan is trying to fight a decisive, war-winning battle far too early. You try to do that, and you can get yourself ruined.
Here’s another critic, Xiang Ying . Mao is in the Jiangxi Soviet, and he thinks a smart strategy is to lure the enemy into your own terrain, which is favorable to you, let them get exhausted, then you spring the trap and you annihilate them.
Communist Central in Shanghai thought this was nuts, that you shouldn’t be ceding territory at all. So Mao, for the longest time, he’s off in Jiangxi, they were off in Shanghai, they were a long way apart, and so Communist Central can’t do anything about it- Mao does his own thing.
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So the communist Central sent Xiang Ying to Jiangxi Soviet to fire Mao personally, and you can imagine how this works for his later career- not well. He fires Mao and this is where his strategy winds up producing the Long March, the Long Retreat, in which they lose 95% of their people by trying to defend territory, so people began to get it, that Mao may have known what he was doing.
Then, on the Long Retreat, Mao chose as his terminal point of retreat, like where you’re going to wind up, as up in Yenon, way up north, deep in Muslim and Mongol lands, but near the Soviet border.
Mao thought that was essential because they’re the big benefactor. Whereas this gentleman, Zhang Guotao , who was the military commissar of the Fourth Army, thought, "Nonsense, we’re Han Chinese, we want to be in Han lands." So he wanted to go into western Sichuan, which he did.
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And he suffered a series of defeats over 1935, and as a result, he was never as important ever again, and eventually defected to the Nationalists. So, Mao had proven himself prescient and right and determined. He had kudoi and determination, and people eventually recognized that.
All right, Mao and Clausewitz define war somewhat differently. Clausewitz has this famous line, "War is thus an act of force to compel our enemy to do our will." Mao says, "No, no, war is politics by other means. It is something that is used to achieve political ends." So far that’s not incompatible.
But then here’s Mao’s twist: "A revolution is an uprising, an act of violence whereby one class overthrows the power of another." Clausewitz is not about class warfare at all. In fact, his wife is always trying to wine and dine the aristocrats, so completely different in that department.
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Mao is looking at the world, and he believes the linchpin of the social order are landlords. He’s going to detonate them and try to destroy them.
He talks about the violence of all of it, that you’re going to get the peasant masses to overthrow these landlords, and that this will require terror in rural areas, but this is absolutely necessary and of course this is what the Nationalists absolutely would not tolerate. Mao also understood he was operating in a period of nested wars, and that the ones that were ongoing were the civil war with the Nationalists and then the regional war with Japan. Pearl Harbor comes a little later. And he talked about defeating Japan in three stages.
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He said “defeating Japan requires three conditions: first is progress by China”, i.e, the civil war, “which is the basic and primary thing; the second is difficulties for Japan”, i.e, the regional war, “and the third is international support”, the big friend. I’m going to talk about each of these three things in turn.
So, in order to win the civil war, Mao believes you need base areas, these Soviets, where are they located? Often on the boundaries of provinces, in very difficult terrain, where provincial authority, let alone national authority, simply does not extend.
Mao thought that there were certain prerequisites for a good base area. One is strategic terrain. It’s got to be defensible so that the weaker communist forces can defend it against conventional nationalist or conventional Japanese armies. So that’s key, pick your terrain carefully.
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Also, you need to have a strong Red Army presence there to make it work. You need numerous organized workers and peasants. You’ve got to have some local support there. And then you need a good party organization.
This is Mao’s idea of what you need for a base area. He believed that you needed to match your military unit, the type of military unit, to the territory. He said there are three kinds of territory: there’s base areas, there is enemy-controlled areas, and then there is the interface in between, which is where guerilla forces are going to be roaming.
So he was all about deploying the Red Army to the comparatively safe base area, they’ll protect that. You might send guerilla detachments to some of the guerilla areas, but really only really small things would you ever send into enemy territory. Moreover, he has prerequisites to fight. There are six possible prerequisites; you’ve got to have at least two before you fight. The most important one is that people have to actively support you. You probably need a base area to pull this off.
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He said that the last three things about enemy weak points, enemy exhaustion, enemy mistakes, those things could appear quite rapidly. But you better choose your terrain very carefully; terrain is immutable.
He also said that if you’re weak the way the Communists were, you had to follow a strategy of annihilation. What you do is you annihilate one small enemy unit at a time, and the cumulative effects will eventually change the balance of power. Only someone who is really strong can tough out an attrition strategy.
He’s also about triangle building in these areas. So, little guerilla detachments go out into the interface. If it works out well and it looks like they can start either a new base area or expand an existing one, that’s what they’re going to be up to.
So, these guerilla forces are either a disposal force, which you could send them out to do risky things, and if they get wiped out, it doesn’t endanger base area defense, or they can become a nucleus of a new base area. So in small guerilla groups, party members are toughened, cadres trained, the party government, mass organizations are consolidated. If they’re successful, then you bring in the Red Army to do higher-level institution building and either greatly expand an existing base area, or you’re forming a new one, is what’s going on.
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Mao had two military services, we always think of army, navy, air force—that’s not what it was for him. It was guerilla forces versus conventional forces.
And guerilla forces are operating in the rear of the enemy so that there’s no stability or security. In fact, there isn’t even a front line; it’s just so amorphous. And so what guerilla forces are supposed to be doing is exterminating small enemy forces, weaken larger ones, attack enemy lines of communications, establish bases, and force the enemy to disperse, but they’re doing all this in combination with conventional forces. Because here’s the thing: you think about Mao and his guerillas, well, actually, here’s what Mao really says: "Regular forces are of primary importance because it is they who alone are capable of producing the decision," like winning the war.
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“There is in guerilla warfare no such thing as a war-winning battle”. The relationship of the two is really important. Mao also thought that you needed to establish a fire escape if you had a base area, like, if it all goes south, where do you go? And his terminal point of retreat for the Long March was up in Yenan. He thought it was important to figure those things out in advance.
Mao also cultivated an unprecedented group of allies, never before assembled in Chinese history: not only peasants, but women, minorities, youth, intellectuals, and the enemy army, most creatively. For cultivating the allegiance of peasants, it wasn’t just education and land reform, it was also army discipline. This is where the three rules, six points for attention, and a couple of additional points were enforced through 1949, when the Communists win the civil war. Why? You don’t want to alienate the peasantry.
These are the people that are forming your cadres, your guerrillas, everything. So, maintain army discipline. Don’t mess with it.
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Mao also took an incredibly forward-looking view about women. Here he is with his fourth wife, the actress. The other three had suffered, respectively, abandonment, execution by the nationalists, and commitment to a Soviet psychiatric ward. Not fates for the faint-hearted.
But Mao calculated that women are about half the population. They’re miserably treated, so they’re naturals for wanting a revolution. They’re a force that will decide the success or failure of the revolution.
He calculated correctly, and he was way ahead of his times. He also understood that in a guerrilla war, you’re sending all the guys off to be fighting, and you’ve got to be building base areas and things. This is where women came in to do those activities.
As a result, he offered women the unthinkable, which is “men and women are absolutely equal. Women have the right to vote, be elected, and participate in the work of the government”. He’s just way ahead of his times.
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Mao also offered minorities the previously unofferable, which was self-determination. What the minority people didn’t get is that a promise made in a really desperate civil war, with a regional war overlaid, once you win those things and you can turn your guns on those trying to secede, that promise may be unenforceable. You can ask the Tibetans and Uyghurs how it all worked out.
All right, so Mao’s strategy: he had a strategy of disintegrating the enemy army and let me tell you how that one worked.
In every county, you select a large number of workers and peasant comrades, people below the radar, and then you insinuate them into the enemy army to become soldiers, porters, and cooks. You can use women to do this as well. Talk about people who are below the radar.
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You’re creating a nucleus of a Communist Party to erode them from within, and eventually, it’ll have a shattering effect. He said, also, part of this disintegrating the enemy has to do with leniency.
Sun Tzu advocates: never put your enemy on death ground. Death ground means that you just have no hope, that you’re a dead person if you don’t fight. So, your only hope is to fight.
If you put someone on death ground, they tend to fight with incredible willpower. And Mao is: don’t do that.
So, what he did when you capture people, propagandize a little, recruit the willing, but release the unwilling, so that the comparison of communist leniency and nationalist brutality becomes absolutely stark in this otherwise pitiless war.
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Okay, that’s the civil war. Now, we’re going to go to the second problem, which was Japan, the regional war. Mao made a really thoughtful assessment of what were the key characteristics of China that would determine what kind of military strategy would use. And this is his assessment.
He said, "Okay, China is a large, semi-colonial country. It’s an undeveloped country." Point one. "Second, its enemy is really strong." Point two. "Thirdly, the Red Army is weak. And fourthly, there’s an agrarian revolution going on." And from this, he concluded that revolution was definitely possible, but it’s going to take a long time. So he didn’t kid himself about quick wins.
He’s going to come up with a strategy for protracted warfare. And he thought that Japan had certain weaknesses that the communists could leverage. For instance, the Japanese had inadequate manpower to garrison a country the size of China.
This meant that guerrillas could roam far and wide behind Japanese lines. Also, the Japanese were brutal, just gratuitously brutal, and they’re outsiders. This means that the peasantry are naturally going to gravitate towards the communists, just simply regardless of what the communists do, but based on what the Japanese are doing, they’re going to gravitate towards the communists.
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Also, the Japanese had grossly underestimated the Chinese. And as a result of underestimating the Chinese, they made errors. When they made errors, they started quarreling among themselves and making more errors and the communists could leverage these things.
All right, Mao’s most famous paradigm theory is his three stages of people’s war. The first stage is the strategic defensive. It’s the "prevent defeat" phase.
The last phase, phase three, is the strategic offensive, the "delivery victory" phase. In the first phase, you’re focusing on the peasantry. In the last phase, you’re annihilating the enemy army.
And if you look at activities that go on in each phase, the activities of phase one and two never cease. Rather, you add additional activities as competence increases. So, in phase one, you’re doing popular mobilization, base area building, triangle building, guerrilla warfare.
And then, as you get more of these things, then you can start engaging in mobile warfare, try your hand at a little conventional warfare, reach out with diplomacy. And then if you go further in stage three, then you’re talking positional warfare, and you’re going to have the war-winning battle. And how do you get from the phases?
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Well, the transition from phase one to two is basically you have a critical mass of base areas, cadres, armed forces that you can move into phase two. But the problem of being in phase two is what had looked like isolated acts of banditry in phase one to the incumbent government, now the incumbent government gets it, that they’re facing an insurgency bent on regime change, and the regime changes strategy.
So the communists are no longer under the radar, but they’re in the crosshairs. And it’s dangerous because they’re weak and the enemy is strong. So when you transition to phase two, initially it is quite dangerous.
And here’s Mao writing about these problems and saying, "Look, in these stages one and two, the enemy is trying to have us concentrate our main forces for a decisive engagement," i.e. decisive in their favor, they’ll win the war because they’ll annihilate us. And of course, this is what General Westmoreland was trying to do in the Vietnam War, getting the North Vietnamese to concentrate so he could blow them off the map. And of course, they’d read their Mao and didn’t do that nonsense.
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Mao was saying you only fight when you’re sure of victory. Also, in order to get to phase three, you need a big friend. Why? Because phase three is conventional warfare, which requires infinite supplies of conventional armaments that requires an industrial base to produce it, and somewhere like China lacks this industrial base.
So, good old Soviet Union played this role the world over. And so this is the secret sauce of people’s war: if you want to get to phase three, you need a big buddy. That’s where the Soviet Union came in.
And so this is why Mao determines that Yan’an is going to be his terminal point of retreat. He’s fighting his way through to the Soviet Union. No kidding, you’ve got to have the conventional arms. To fight this stuff.
What’s interesting about Mao’s description of people’s war is it actually applied not so much to the war with Japan, which he claimed it applied to, but rather to the civil war with the Nationalists. And here is the key. Mao didn’t actually fight the regional war against Japan. The Nationalists did.
The Nationalists did every bit of the conventional fighting, except one, and that’s the Hundred Regiments campaign that Mao fought in North China in 1940, and he was smeared. The Japanese responded with a " three alls " campaign, which is "kill all, burn all, loot all," which is what they did. And it wiped out loads of communist base areas in North China.
So, Mao never tried that ever again, and he certainly didn’t write about it in his collected works. Don’t talk about failures there. So, it’s interesting. What he’s talking about really applies to the civil war.
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And Mao understands these different layers. So, as the Nationalists are busy fighting the Japanese and actually being destroyed by them, the communists are pretending that they’re fighting the Japanese. They’re later going to take credit for it and say, "We won against the Japanese," which is nonsense.
There was also the United States in that as well. Because he’s using that to strengthen the communists during all of this rural mobilization. So, when Japan’s defeated and the communists, when the civil war resumes full bore, he’s in a good situation.
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Okay, that’s it on Mao, the operational military leader at the operational level. Now let’s put it all together as Mao the grand strategist, of linking all elements of national power into a coherent strategy. These are Mao’s instruments of national power: the peasantry, propaganda, land reform, base areas, institution building, warfare, and diplomacy.
The US military, when they’re thinking about elements of national power, love this little framework: DIME . D is for diplomacy, I is intelligence, M for military, E for economics, as being critical elements of national power.
It’s better than only looking at the military elements, at least you got three more things. But if you look at Mao, this is not a cookie-cutter event. This is a different society, different national elements of national power are available. You’ve got to get to the other side of the tennis court net to see what the other team is doing.
Mao is famous for all these reasons, but also for his sinification of Marxism, where he makes all the things that I’ve told you about, makes his version of Marxism much more applicable to these countries, the newly independent countries after World War II, of how they put things together. He positions himself to replace Stalin, who dies in 1953, as the leader of communism.
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Mao was prescient on numerous levels. He was certainly prescient about the centrality of the peasantry. He was way ahead of his times on the importance of women.
He was calculating and cunning on how he was going to use minorities and POWs. He had proven his kudoi and determination with his military strategy.
He also anticipated when the Japanese war in China would stalemate, and he also anticipated, more or less, when the United States was going to get into the war in Asia. He’s the great sinifier of Marxism.
Mao produced all kinds of concepts and paradigms that are useful for insurgents who are trying to take over the host from within. I’ve listed a variety of them here, and I’m going to go through them in turn. These are the things that the counterinsurgent then has to counter.
All right, rural mobilization. This is obviously a big deal in Mao. If you compare—and I’m going to be doing a lot of comparisons with the Vietnam War and the Korean War because they’re communists and all these things—you can see Mao’s rural mobilization was very successful in China. The North Vietnamese rural mobilization was also really good. South Korea, not so much.
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Why? The leader of North Korea was trying to mobilize the peasantry in the south, that wasn’t so successful. And why? Syngman Rhee , the leader of South Korea, immediately did land reform, and this glues loyalty of soldiers to the leadership doing this. Maybe that is not the only factor, but an important factor for why the Korean War turns out differently.
Base areas. Mao says those are really important. The North Vietnamese used them to great effect. They had all kinds of areas in the south and then on the borders of South Vietnam. North Korea, not so much. It couldn’t form base areas in the South.
Why? It’s a peninsula which the US Navy cut off. It’s also cold. So where are you going to flee if you want to do a base area? I think it’s up a mountain in South Korea, and that will get cold in the winter, and you’ll probably freeze to death.
I believe “Al Qaeda” means "the base." I believe that’s the correct translation. So if you’re thinking about ISIS or whatever’s left of it, you can go back to Mao’s ideas about base areas, that you need a particular kind of geography that’s good for the defensive. You’ve got to have a big party organization, a lot of local support, and you have to have military forces there.
Does Al Qaeda—well, it’s going to be ISIS or something—do they have all four of these things or can you remove any one of them?
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Another idea from Mao is luring the enemy in deep. Mao had done that very successfully in the first three encirclement campaigns, and then he was removed from command, so he wasn’t doing that anymore. Again, in the final phases of the Chinese Civil War, the `45 to `49 event, Mao lures the Nationalists deep into Manchuria.
The Nationalists are a South China phenomenon. I showed you the map. Chiang Kai-shek starts in the south and he goes way up north, so he’s weakest in the north. Mao lures him way up there in Manchuria, and then he springs a trap and destroys Chiang Kai-shek’s armies up there. Then the entire civil war wraps up within a year of that.
Mao also lured good old General MacArthur, who fancied himself a great Asianist in the Korean War. MacArthur goes all the way up to the Yalu River, right on the Chinese border in the Korean War, and Mao springs a trap. MacArthur didn’t realize that 350,000 Chinese troops had been infiltrated around him. Oops, missed that.
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It did not work out well. But for the US Navy, now, it needs to think about, what about being lured into the South and East China Seas and then the Chinese pulling the trap. There are places you don’t need to go. The Chinese may have to go there, but maybe you don’t have to.
Another one is terminal point of retreat. I’ve talked about Yan’an being a really good one, and that worked. Then when the Manchurian campaign initially wasn’t going well for Mao, he retreated up to Siping, which is a little bit north, and that worked well enough. But when Chiang Kai-shek tried to pick these Manchurian cities as a place to retreat in Manchuria, bad news.
There’s only one railway system that gets you south out of Manchuria. You suppose the Communists don’t know about it? They encircled the Nationalists in these cities and destroyed them there.
So when you’re thinking about insurgents and things, think about, well, if you knock them out of one area, where might they go next? Another concept from Mao is disintegrating enemy forces, which is what happens to the Nationalists. Think about it: Chiang Kai-shek had been fighting since the 1920s, forever and ever, and he fought the Japanese, they’re brutal. The United States had trouble fighting the Japanese, and Chiang Kai-shek fought them alone for a long time before we joined the war.
And yet, he loses a battle in '48 in Manchuria, and that’s it. The rest of the country wraps up. So what was going on there? Or the South Vietnamese: they’d been fighting forever.
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And then the whole place just wraps up. And the same thing happened with Japan in World War II. They’d been fighting all over the place forever, fighting us brutally. And then in 1945, we don’t even have to invade the home islands.
Think how unusual that is. The Germans fought every street on the way to Berlin; the Japanese quit. This is about disintegrating the enemy and why it happens.
But what you can say in all those three cases is the warfare had been going on for an incredibly long time, and it was ruinous. The places in question were ruined, so don’t expect that to happen too fast.
Of course, Mao’s big contribution was his three stages of people’s war. Mao presents them as sequential: you go from one to two to three, and tada , you win. And they’re cumulative, right?
You do certain things, and then you get to phase two, and you’ve had this cumulative effect of destroying enemy forces. You get even more accumulating casualties on the other side, and finally, you win.
A student of mine said that’s actually not a great way to look at it, or there’s an even better way to use it. It’s like a metric of how an insurgency goes up and down, so that ISIS may be on the cusp of going into stage three. I don’t know that they ever really—well, possibly, with all the equipment they got initially—or whether then they get knocked back to stage one, where you wonder whether they still exist anymore, and come back and forth. Anyway, that was that person’s take. I thought I’d pass it along to you.
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All right. I have one last thing to talk about. Mao, when you read these 7,000 pages—and I don’t recommend it—one is struck by all these dualities. I think it goes back to Yin and Yang analysis, which is very prominent in traditional Chinese thinking.
I got a little abbreviated Yin and Yang list of opposites here of these coexisting opposites constantly changing. So, if you look at Mao discussing triangle building, it’s in terms of the presence or absence of factors, presence and absence being opposites.
So you’re going from the absence of political power to the seizure of political power, from the absence of the Red Army to the creation of the Red Army. It goes on and on. Studying the differences and connections between dualities is a task of studying strategy, and it’s really everything.
To defend in order to attack, to retreat in order to advance. It goes on and on, and it’s all about correctly orienting yourself between these opposites.
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So, “oppose protracted campaigns and the strategy of a short war. Uphold the strategy of a protracted war in a short campaign” and I’m starting to lose it.
You’ve got to put everything in the context of each other: losses, replacements, fighting, resting, concentration, and dispersion and I’m thinking, "I don’t get this. Mao’s bipolar disorder."
So I turned, and then you look at the diagram. Okay, they’re opposites, and it’s either one or the other, but even- they’re not even true to themselves.
Each opposite is a dab of the other. I was having trouble figuring it out, so I went to this gentleman, Brigadier General Samuel B. Griffith .
He is the only translator into English of Sun Tzu who has a distinguished military career, and also, he went on to get a DPhil—it’s like a PhD—from Oxford in military history.
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If you look at his career, he’s in China during the Japanese escalation of the Sino-Japanese War. He’s back in China, does another tour at the end of the Chinese Civil War. He gets top marks in the military’s Chinese language exam.
Oh, look at these details: Navy Cross, Purple Heart, Distinguished Service Cross. He’s a distinguished man, and for retirement, he decides he’s going to go get the Oxford degree, and he writes the translation of Sun Tzu. He is the only translator of Sun Tzu who translates "死地" as "death ground." Other people, it’s like, oh, I don’t know, I can’t remember the words, like, I don’t know, "contested ground," something else.
But I’m guessing that when he chose those words, "death ground," it’s because when he was thinking about it, it might well have conjured up his memories of what exactly it was like to be on Guadalcanal or New Georgia. He has provided insights- oh also the other thing to mention about him is he’s really modest.
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I had to dig around to find these biographical details. They’re not on the cover of his book which is where they should be. And his service to his country continues to this day.
Because it’s his translation that continues to educate officers over 40 years after his death. But here’s his take: "In every apparent disadvantage, some advantage is to be found. The yin is not wholly yin, and the yang is not wholly yang. It is only the wise general," said Sun Tzu, "who is able to recognize this fact and turn it to good account." And of course, Mao could, and he did. But in peacetime, choices are not binary, they’re graduated, and evolution is much more conducive to economic development than revolution.
So that’s what I have to say about Mao’s bipolar disorder and other things about him, and thank you very much for bearing with me.