Josh Zepps

00:00ah Josh zaps we're live hello mate what's up brother how you doing I'm good I've been all over the place you have been all over the place I've been wandering I don't I'm not even on a h post live anymore I know you're wandering I'm a Wanderer you're We the People now I'm All We the People all the way I like calling myself unemployed I think it's just more I think there's more it takes more konus to just say that you're unemployed than to be like well I've got a lot of projects going on like I'm I've got a lot of fingers and a lot of pies and I'm like I'm freelance now but aren't you selfemployed yeah so that's not unemployed no but I like with people oh you make feel sad for you yeah and make them feel cuz people people want you to immediately say like that you're doing okay an unemploy makes you sound like a bum so I like starting from the lowest possible

00:39position you should tell people that you're going to get a trailer and uh you're going to travel across the country get one of those things you drag behind your car you're just going to live out of it just national parks the more weeks I don't have a full-time job the stronger my accents going to get until I'm just down in a little ding ding ding ding ding ding here's me in my trailer I haven't had a job in 15 years can't go from Australian accent to American Souther did I just did it we don't allow that many people say that things are impossible Joe Rogan but I'm here to prove him wrong isn't that interesting how like if you move to a place you're not allowed to adopt the accent like if an American moves to England like remember when Madonna she was only there for like six months she started talking like this and everybody's like out of here like we know that people talk like that

01:25and we know it's a style of it's an affectation you decide to talk like that you don't have to talk like that that you could obviously when you watch British actors play Americans and do such a brilliant job of talking in an American accent like The Walking Dead people when people find out that Rick is a he's he's from England they're all from England like the girl Maggie she's from England everybody's from England yeah and I mean a lot of people don't know that Aussies are Aussies as well if they're doing all with the American accents I mean how often does Russell Crow not have an American accent in a movie true and uh what's his face Batman Christian Bale he's Australian too he's English ah same don't get me started on the differences between new zealanders and Australians as well there's this whole thing about who uh you there this same uh spot right kind of kind of it's

02:11about as different as Canada and America not really not very barely barely different close enough there's a lot of dispute between the two countries about which one has to cop Mel Gibson cuz Mel was I think born in was he born in New Zealand or something there's some about whether he's American Australian or New Zealand you can have him long as he's not Australian everybody loved him for a while he was so good he was awesome just couldn't keep it together no well being a wildly anti-semitic racist um religious nut job doesn't help do you think he's a crazy person though I don't know whether whether that means anything when you're that famous of course it does it always means something I mean being that that famous doesn't discount certain biological realities of brain function I think people have bad livers their livers go bad people get lung cancer people without a doubt develop brain

02:58diseases right whether or not it's a psychological disease meaning it's a disease of thought processes and taking you down bad roads those bad thought process become ingrained and you continue them over and over again out of habit or whether or not he's obviously an alcoholic right so that's a real issue he um he's had massive problems Al when like take lung cancer for example obviously the things that you do to your body are going to have a large impact on whether or not you're likely to get lung cancer sure and similarly I think that living in the rarified atmos feere of being incredibly outrageously famous probably puts grooves in your mental Pathways that predispose you to being odd good point yeah definitely and as you get older when things start to fall apart you know physically and psychologically and maritally and you know when he was with that crazy lady I

03:48mean that's what that is is like the ultimate three4 it's not midlife it's three qus life like dilemma yeah and how many people do you surround yourself with when you're at that level of superst start them who are willing to call on your right like I think a healthy famous person we all know them are people who are able to keep their heads screwed on cuz they still surround themselves with a py who are like ah get out of here what are you doing with this you you've got a Latin Mass still doing the pre-reformation Catholic like liturgies up on a hill in the Hollywood Hills and you're talking about how Jews caused all the wars in the world get it what are you doing this is why people like buddy cop movies because in a buddy cot movie Danny Glover would straighten him back out yeah he'd be like come on man get it together and then he would pull together

04:31and he'd stop being crazy when he's by himself in the mountain in Malibu screaming at the help yelling at his suck my dick what's the name of his character in Le the weapon do we know do we know what Mel Gibson are rs yeah yeah Martin Riggs so Mel Gibson needs a Danny Glover yeah the way that Martin Riggs did well he needs Danny Glover the actual Danny Glover cuz if you pay attention to Danny Glover's Twitter feed and his social media feed it's all about like uh helping people out and Charities and spirituality and consideration for the Earth and Danny Glover's got a really interesting life oh cool I'll follow him I didn't know that he's a very uh open-minded and intelligent guy from the few things that I've paid attention to I think Danny Glover is like paying attention to the world they should be together for real I love it I love it when people who you admire whose

05:22craft you admire grow into being something more than that and like sort of spiritually enlightened was like when Gary Shandling died uh you know he had become someone who was super interested in really interesting things I mean he was I didn't know I didn't didn't know much about him I didn't either until I I I was following him on Twitter and the day that he died I went to his Twitter page to see what his last tweets were and and saw that he was following me for some strange reason which made made me feel like all the more kind of close to him and started going back through all of his old tweets and he's he was just interested in spirituality meditation all the kinds of that you and I are interested in I didn't know him I met him like very briefly like hi nice to meet you at the um Comedy and Magic Club never really got a chance to talk to him but God what a funny guy hilar Larry

06:09Sanders show was amazing I me I mean two of the most groundbreaking sitcoms like all of the all of those sitcoms that now like modern family and everything all have the same like this is a pseudo documentary and these people are for some reason talking to the camera it doesn't really make any sense anymore like why is this documentary being made about these Modern Family people how long is this documentary why are they always like it's been on for 9 years something where's the documentary crew why are they talking to the camera it's the the whole conceit has broken down but all of those shows owe their Genesis to Gary Shandling to the fact that he did the Larry Sanders show Larry Sanders show and it's Gary chandling show exactly yeah he had some great stuff really great stuff so what's the about Facebook I just walked in here and uh and you you told me that there are

06:48these pieces about how Facebook workers are admitting that they routinely suppressed conservative news from the Facebook news feed yeah I actually got it from Steven Crowder he sent it to me and then I looked it up and then I saw it was on Gizmodo and I was like wow this is crazy like this uh enforcement of uh Liberal Liberal ideas former Facebook workers says we routinely suppress conservative news so uh they would keep conservative news from trending and they would um uh they would uh inject stories that weren't trending they would inject them into the trending stories if they match their ideologies I mean this is so dangerous and upsetting for even if you are a complete like liberal fascist and all and you don't believe in freedom of speech or freedom of ideas but Jamie had a really interesting point what's that he was saying but when you look at the

07:41Believers like the Justin Bieber fans they overwhelm the trending to the point where Twitter became the Justin Bieber show and then Twitter had to go okay all right settle the down all these little 16-year old girls are fingerbanging themselves and slamming their their iPhones and trying to get this guy you know and try to pay attention to this guy constantly 24 hours a day those Believers are out of their mind but that doesn't mean but what did Twitter do something about that and actually deprioritize Justin Bieber tweets is that long time ago like two or three years into Twitter starting there out if there's 10 trading topics I believe I remember like seven out of the 10 were all Justin Bieber this I love Justin Bieber whatever it was at the time seven I forgot to bring that up with Dan arbach from the arcs and the black Keys when he was here because he got into it

08:31with Believers oh really like they got into they got mad at him oh man don't them off of all the pap you could just in sheer numbers it's like it's like taking on a fight with an army of fire ants you're just not going to win you know what's interesting they get mad at you if you are older than them but if you use Twitter like it's one of the things that they love to say like you old man why you even on Twitter like as if my generation invented it they're what they're trying to do is they're trying to they're they're acknowledging that this is a stupid behavior and they would assume that you're old enough that you realize this a stupid behavior and you should be better than them that's I'm allowed to be an immature little I'm 14 what's your excuse Joe that there's something to that there's something that is a part of what they're saying yeah a part they're

09:19acknowledging the Ridiculousness the difference between deprioritizing beliber tweet hashtags and and you know and using your uh your status as the most important social Med information company in the world unless you're a Believer and then I don't see your point bro I went on Twitter looking for what's important what people are actually talking about they're talking about Justin Bieber did you know you got a face tattoo no Jamie told me Jam why do you even know these Jamie will tell you status of Beyonce and Jay's wedding 24 hours a day at any given time you can text how's uh how's Bae and Jay doing right now they okay and Jamie will let you know what's the latest he black J grinning like the a cat he's just like yep that's me that's all me that's what he does he wears Yeezys he buys Yeezys but the the you where is Justin Bieber's face tattoo Jamie it is right below his eye let's

10:13take a look is it like a tear or something what is it sort of in that spot I'm trying Jesus it's a Jesus tattoo please tell me you're me it's a Jesus tattoo very small let's go with it see it looks like a it's a cross bro it does look like zoom in on that looks like as far as I can go it won't what that's as big as it gets someone must have a better version It's a cross though right I think this guy has one too next to him they gay together they're banging each other those two guys are banging each other if you can't tell the difference between your tattoo and just a facial blemish you got the wrong tattoo dude no he's got the right tattoo because he's starting off like that see what it is is he wants to be like one of those uh black guys like Birdman who has tattoos all over his face she doesn't have that kind of balls so she's just going to go with a little tiny thing that eventually

10:57get lasered off whatever whatever not that big a deal you know like who's got a lot of like stitches is that his name that R white rapper got AK-47 tattooed on the side of his face have you ever seen him no oh he's the best as far as the worst as far as like if by best you mean the worst person in the world and worst examples of art oh he's got more tattoos now oh wow that's beautiful he's got them on his neck and his forehead now what is but the coolest thing about it is he's got like basically the Joker uh like scars coming out of the sides of his mouth that look like they've got stitches hence his name stitches yeah well he even has it on his lips like above his lips and to the sides and the left and right what is the latest thing that he's got he's got a star on his face too the AK-47 well he's got a St where Justin Bieber has his little uh his little mold that's the hot spot I

11:44got me one of those that's like the dumb dude's version of a lower back tattoo it's like a stamp for retards that's what it is yeah but just it's just the visibility of it everywhere that would that would freak me out I got a couple of tattoos but they're not in places where I'm always going to be be seen with them not that it matters for Justin B it's not like he's going to be going to a job interview and having to impress them that's true but oh yeah that's Gucci Man Gucci M had a ice cream cone tattooed on his face with lightning bolts and it says Burr b r r you know why that is and he also had some written under his eyelids what does that say what does it say on his eyelids looks like old egg yeah it looks like no that or initials but old egg it's it's ingenious that he's that he's got Burr written on the ice cream cuz uh you know ice cream is cold and when

12:33people are cold they say bur so see what he's done there good point he's combined the word Burr with a visual iconography of an ice cream thereby linking these two formerly disperate Concepts in one beautiful tattoo how about this dude who copied him look at the guy next to him he copied Gucci man that's even stupider yeah he went with bur too he's like man maybe I'll get some more gucc run off to see me at the diner be like yo gu like what's up you want a fu oh dear anyway the implications of Justin Bieber being deprioritized on Twitter I still contend can't believe you're going back to this not as not as great as the implications of Facebook uh hiding conservative news stories from its users on its news feed well it's it's very unfortunate that someone uh did this but it's very important that the workers told us that they did this yes because it's supposed to be be it's

13:30supposed to be an impartial I guess aggregator I mean what is what would you call Facebook it's a portal portal for stories that are trending they've never they've never claimed that what you see is just the most recent thing that is coming up right I mean all of it is algorithms so the things that you tend to click on and the things that you tend to look at and the things that you tend to like and the stories that you tend to click through to all go into their gigantic algorithm crunching machine which I just imagine as being like a big Willy Wonka machine spewing with steam coming a pink steam coming out the top and exactly little little toy trade circling it you put in all the data and then out the other end the OA lumpas compile your Facebook feed and and so they're making judgments all the time about what what they're going to prioritize but what

14:14they shouldn't be doing is including any kind of their own political preferences and we don't yet know if it's actually true or this it just looks like this is one person who's saying this but my problem with it is even if you even if you you condone these kinds of policies and you're a liberal you don't know what impact it's going to have and whether or not by putting this stuff out people are going to get more liberal maybe they'll get more frustrated with liberal ideas and they'll become more conservative it's more likely to be that it fuels the idea that being a liberal is being a person that's detached from reality and that's one of the the the major points of criticism when when when the conservative people go after the Liberals one of the major things that they try to harp on is that Liberals are out of touch with reality when you have something like this and reinforce the

14:59idea that they're shielding certain aspects of reality like that some people have these conservative opinions and if some people have a conservative opinion and you disagree with that conservative opinion that's where the open exchange and the marketplace of ideas comes into place now if you don't allow that exchange to take place because you deny that people think that way because you hide the stories you're going to alienate and you're going to create these confirmation bias forums you're going to create these places where people like salon.com where people just they agree with each other to and then they tell you why you know why is Josh zeps the worst we'll tell you why and then they they tell you they ask a question there always like eight points like eight reasons why Jos is the worst here's why he's terrible only eight I can give you a dozen but it's it's not

15:43news anymore they're so hysterically ridiculous they're so off the deep end I mean it used to be the case that we thought of progressives and liberals as being more pro- free speech at least I did I thought of them as being on the side of more inclusiveness and more tolerance and it's becoming increasingly not the case at all that there's more politically correct and more censorship and more imposing less tolerance of of other people's ideas on the left even than on the right I 100% believe that but I believe it's the pendulum effect I think it's the suppression of free speech by the conservatives in the Bush Administration that people up so sideways they bounce back the other way Ultra hard I think people got so angry at what was going on with John ashro covering statues up with drapes and all the craziness that was going on in that Administration and all the impression of

16:29gay rights does everyone know about that the fact that John Ashcraft actually had the penis on a statue on an old Roman or Grecian statue which was like in one of the great you know temples down in Washington DC covered up because he was so pural that he didn't want a naked penis from an ancient statue he so disturbing that that guy got into office you know one of the one of the guys that uh I correspond with online he had something to do with some record store and he sent me an album of uh gospel songs that John Ashcraft had made with some other dude he was and probably still is batshit crazy well I mean they they they kind of what do you call it like when you you stack they they basically stacked the Bush Administration with a lot of crazy people like that like the F especially the first uh administration of the Bush Administration the 2002 2004 man you

17:27look at some of those people they're basically theocrats I mean they're not that different from a Christian version of what the Iranian leaders are well not only that they're so caricature is that they seem like characters in a movie like a bad action movie I mean you think about what you've got you got Donald Rumsfeld and and Dick Cheney two people arguably forged in the center of the earth I mean they're straight up evil right Dick Cheney is straight up evil he got to a point where he didn't have a heartbeat you know I mean the guy had an artificial heart put in which was pumping his blood through do he still have no p no he had a transplant he had a oh does he have a live heart he found some dude and cut his heart out you bet your ass they did with one of those Stone knives we Happ to we happen to have a match yeah you happen to have a match went out there and killed somebody yeah

18:16some secret service agent disappeared yeah one secret service agent on a really healthy diet cut that guy open like a fish you can just imagine they' probably got like a Tinder for for Dick Cheney where he's just swiping left and swiping right on the people who they're going to kill for his heart you got a 23y old yeah good he and Ashcraft and uh there was there was a whole bunch of them wolf wits I mean that guy just look like a demon you know think I mean all of those the the whole Administration was filled with chicken hawks that were all about Jesus and wanted to go over there and kick some ass and blow up it's interesting you mentioned wolfer witz cuz in terms of like what we're saying about the left is can be intolerant of other ideas a lot of these guys especially wol witz were former um marxists when when Wolowitz was young at University he was a revolutionary

19:10Marxist who and it's interesting that often times people who are who are hyper revolutionary socialists can flip into becoming hyper like a randan idealistic reactionaries and there's the same kind of like when you it's it's not that different when you think about it like people think of them as being ideas that are at the end of a political Spectrum but it's actually actually more like a horseshoe right where at one end you think that you can overthrow the capitalist system and create a Utopia in which everyone is going to be be equal and it's going to be from each according to his ability to each according to his need and then at the other end you believe that you can wipe societies clean you can go into Iraq and raise everything and then start from fresh and democracy will spring up and people will be able to live in peace I mean they're both basically kind of Messianic utopian

20:00ideas about change instead of the sort of change that I think actually works which is just incremental grudging change bit by bit slowly eing it out that's not what Cheney and and wolf wits think the world is all about no they tried to force change and force change at home and abroad and that's that's where like the conspiracy theories come in about 9/11 and the attacks and Dick Cheney saying that we need something like a new Pearl Harbor and that's where people really freak out because they look at how much people actually did profit from that event so they go well okay is it possible that someone had a part in letting that event happen or helping that event happen or ignoring the fact that event was going to happen and allowing it to happen or is it a matter of people just capitalizing on an event which is what the most logical point of view is that they they're just

20:50incompetent the event happened and then they capitalized on it like any good dictatorship does yeah exactly I mean I do think like when you look at how incompetently they manag Iraq when you look at how incompetently they managed Katrina you look at how incompetently they managed things that they wanted to get right the idea that they could have pulled off something like that within 8 months of entering office I find implausible like whenever the if I have to choose between incompetence versus a massive conspiracy I usually think people are just generally incompetent how do you even start that conversation how do you even say listen hear this out before you get crazy hear this out I got an idea we got to talk some dude into flying planes into the World Trade Center towers one and two we're going to hijack planes filled with people we're going to talk these guys into flying

21:38them into the into the buildings they'd be like wait whoa whoa whoa whoa who the is going to do that religious people you got to get them to believe that there's a bunch of waiting for them in heaven and all they have to do is fly these planes and the buildings to get that uh yeah but see Joe these plans had long been hatched because there were there were camps in Afghanistan which we were funding is that your Alex Jones impression I can feel it coming on we're getting Alex Jones no Alex Jones would be yelling at me right now explaining why I'm wrong mhm um also there's a much easier way to have done it which is if they if you wanted a pretext to go into Iraq all you'd need to do would be I was talking to a National Defense guy about this he was like there was a no fly zone over Iraq the CIA could have painted a US plane the Iraqi colors and just faked a

22:22shoot down of a us or British jet that was patrolling the no fly zone and you would have a a clear a much clearer case actually in international law to go to war than the vague case that they did do CU they didn't I mean it wasn't connected to 9911 so they had to make up this about wmds and all that sort of stuff you could easily have orchestrated something without bringing down the World Trade towers that would have given you a good reason to go into Iraq well that was one of the main reasons why a lot of people um bought into do you know about operation Northwoods do you know that story I've only heard you talk about it yeah the operation Northwoods that was that exact plan to get people to go to war with Cuba to get us excited about it were going to blow up an American drone they were going to S A jetliner up in the a with no one in it and shoot it out of

23:03the sky they were going to arm Cuban friendlies and attack Guantanamo Bay that was the main idea behind it was like this would be the way we could get people excited about going to war with Cuba because you know that whole Bay of Pigs and all that disaster that happened when Kennedy was in office I mean and then the Missile Crisis there was a lot of tension going on with Cuba so they had concocted this idea it's called operation Northwoods it was signed by The Joint Chiefs staff so they went with it like they were like sounds like democracy and they let's just lie to people and blow up and kill Americans they were going to kill Americans in Guantanamo Bay blame it on the Cubans I'm sure they have and because they're so because they're such unscrupulous and they do all they they do these legitimate conspiracy theories that's what gives people reasons to believe in

23:49the more in what I regard as being the much more ridiculous conspiracy theories yes but it would be a lot better if they just didn't do any of this in the first place and then people wouldn't be out of their minds being so suspicious about with run not 9911 was an inside job well there's also there was the word that Dick Cheney was discussing the possibility of doing something like that for Iran before they left office they were talking about orchestrating a false flag on Iran before they left office and they never pulled it off whether or not that's true or not remains to be seen but it's not outside the realm of possibility I mean it happened in so many different times in history when Nero burnt Rome when Hitler burned the r stag when I mean the whole what happened to get us into Vietnam well that's right like the Gulf of tonen andu the G of tonen they pretended we got shot that's

24:36right and there's also you don't even have to go as far as like the Nazis just in terms of what the CIA has done in counter counterinsurgency operations in South South America and stuff the involvement in the coup in 1973 in Chile I was reading up about that lately cuz I went to Chile a couple of years ago I mean it's it's not that they absolutely completely manufacture total from Whole cloth but they they give voice to conspiracy theories in those particular uh countries they fund uh media Outlets that are that are spreading you know what the CIA wants to to get heard and they just basically put their finger on the scales of something so that it goes another way I mean the democratically elected government in Chile was overthrown by a brutal military dictatorship which then lasted for an entire generation thanks largely to the CIA I mean we don't even think or

25:22hear or learn about that stuff and do you think that it's possible for them to go listen you got to break some eggs to make an omelet okay you want America to be America land of the free home of the brave there's only one way we got to lie to you we got to kick some ass there's a lot of we'd like to tell you but the world Works in a really up way and you don't want to know about that because you want to watch Real Housewives EXA so this what we're going to do no and I I have I actually have some sympathy for that idea I I a friend of a friend of mine was is the former director of the CIA I spent a Thanksgiving with him once down in Washington DC did you look at his basement no it's all skulls open the do skulls roll out in the hallway uh and when I talk to people like that yeah I do understand that our vision of the world is a very small sliver and can be quite naive naive

26:09their attitude is when you're actually working in the National Security apparati there is apparati apparatus you might have made a word up that'll do I just apparatus sure you think you made up a word but it sounds so good if you didn't just like stop yourself then apparatus would be a new word a lot of people at home would went I'm okay seems like a might go uh if you actually work there then I think your outlook is basically what you just articulated which is um it'll be lovely if we all lived in a world where with ice cream and candy and where the Lions slept with the Lambs and and the postmen hugged the dogs and we were all dancing in the streets but listen honcho it's a tough world out there and either the Saddam Hussein's and the putins are going to rule it or we are and sometimes you have to break a few eggs in order to make an omelette and sometimes you have to do

26:52things that that uh might not seem pretty on the surface but I tell you what we're the ones who are standing on the wall watching guard so you go about your little business and we'll take care of I heard the national anthem playing while you said that I really did which one the Australian one am America God shed his grace on the wait that's not the national anthem whatever that's America beautiful it's all the same are you even American probably Canadian or something barely American uh America the Beautiful should be the national anthem can I just say great song much better Star bang or bner I can star bang or Banner has rockets in it though I'm I'm gonna probably stick with that the rockets red glare and the rockets red glare the bombs bursting in air what the bombs bursting in air that's in our national anthem I love how warmongering so many national

27:41anthems are like the French the French one literally has lyrics about the blood of our enemies will fill the canals of France W it's like it's serious that's unrealistic how many people you have to call you just you guys are just lying there's no way bombs actually could burst in okay fill the canals with blood who the are you killing man you kill everybody you'd have to kill everybody on the planet the fill the canals of blood there'd be no one left well I mean they killed a lot of Germans and the Germans killed a lot of Russians have you seen some of the numbers there's a great graphic that I think like Vox produced or something about the number of people in total who were killed in in the world wars each one represented like each thousand or million or something is represented by a little block I don't yeah I know what you're talking about but it's just crazy when you start

28:26seeing how many people were you're like oh this is a lot who were killed in for example the Iraq War and it goes back to Vietnam you know World War I but World War II like the the towards the final few years of World War II even excluding the Holocaust just looking at people like the mainly Russians it's just it's just Millions upon Millions upon millions of people like 20 million people or we don't think about the Russians that died in World War to no they a lot more of them died than us and often I mean if you talk to a military what really ended the war yes D-Day was important but but the Soviets won the war I mean it was it was the fact that the Nazis were just hemorrhaging in the East that meant that they couldn't put up any defenses in the in the west so D-Day was a you know not to insult the our great forefathers who fought there but dday was a little bit of a walk in

29:16the park in comparison to what was happening on the Eastern Front well there was a lot going on all across the world but um one of the scariest things about France and what happened to them during World War II is the amount of France to this day that you literally can't even visit because it's so filled with waste from all the bombs that were dropped have you seen there's an area larger than Paris that's completely fenced in and you can't go in it because it's got so much Munitions and so many bombs that were dropped there it's so up that it'll be that way for something like a 100,000 years or something crazy I mean is Fu for poison gas there bodies there're just still bodies just Bones and there's this little town in northern France called Villas breta where the Aussies were I mean you know no one ever thinks about the Aussies and the new zealanders

30:03and all those little countries who are fighting there as well but of course they had their own little little plots that they had to had to fight and there was this big heroic stand against the Germans which the Aussies were in charge of at vill Bretner and still to this day in the little in the schools in the elementary schools there they sing the Australian national anthem they have little Australian flags flying and stuff cuz their fields are just littered with the bodies of Australians in northern France from the world war whoa that's crazy nutty what were we doing over there doesn't make any sense opposite side of the world should have just stayed home well I think we saw some of those Hitler speeches when we went okay we're going to have to do something here this is this guy this guy might he might have the right stuff to become the real Darth Vader yeah that's a that

30:47that charismatic person who's completely insane that wants to conquer the world and gets a whole nation behind him is so Donald Trump I mean is so crazy and scary I mean that's kind of what we're look he's not trying to take over the world but it shows you how problematic personality can be when it comes to someone being chosen to be the leader especially to this day in in this day rather we're so soft this day of food coming on these little styrofoam trays and being able to pull up the Wendy's and get a cheeseburger in 15 seconds we're so weak and it's so easy to exist that we're excited about this guy guy possibly like overturning the apple cart where people are are and we don't have any people don't have any other options as well I feel like Bernie and Trump were the were the ways in different ways that people had that people who've been shat on for a long

31:41time white workingclass dudes mostly have to like I mean when you look at the the fact that middle you know incomes of Middle America has been stagnating for the past 30 years manufacturing has been in Decline like there haven't been there hasn't been a rise in working class incomes in America since the ' 80s I was surprised that Elizabeth Warren didn't get more traction it seems like once that Native American stuff came out about her she just went okay I'm just going to step over here I honestly think she believes that she's more useful in the Senate maybe but you know the Native American stuff yeah was she faked a Native American Heritage yeah in order to get some sort of a scholarship or something when I hear things like that I you my brain it just hits the this is probably a beat up part of my brain and it just goes straight out my ear cuz I don't I don't really give a about

32:28stuff like that really you don't care about someone faking their ethnicity well I didn't I didn't look into it enough cuz like to me would she have needed to she's like a brilliant woman what why why was she doing it she wanted to get into a university she would have question pull that up Jamie find out what the that was all about but um I don't know I mean who knows if she actually did it maybe someone else did it and she sort of went with it so difficult tell without talking to her if it's a Rachel doile thing where someone has spent their whole life pretending to be something that they're not then I think yes that's there's are quite a few few those out there though yeah then I I I do think that that's disqualifying but I feel like if the only thing that your political opponents can dig up on you is that you filled out a form wrong but that's not filling on a form wrong it's

33:08being deceptive about your ethnicity in order to take advantage of like people that are undermined by Society I mean when you go with Native American let's kill her let's behead her let's put her into Trump's con black and white in America we don't have any gravs uh yeah Trump is is fascinating is he I can't believe it's actually going to happen um oh he might win he's he's real close to winning because I just don't know whether or not Hillary can hold up to scrutiny when you're talking about her being under two criminal investigations in the right now right now in the immediate future there's two criminal investigations going on they just gave immunity to the guy who set up that email server MH they just deported him they brought him over to America or extra added him what do they do what's that called bring him over to America they brought him over to America and

33:58gave him immunity so what the man what what is going to happen now well yeah we are one uh I I was talking to the guy hacked it rather they gave immunity yeah um I was talking to AI Lang on on my podcast about whichit AE that's not true hold on a second they they gave immunity to the guy who set up the server they extradited the guy who created the hack he doesn't have immunity where the guy hacked I think he's from Romania of course he is of course he's from Romania the guy who hacked into the Ser the email servers and exposed all that I want to say he's from a very small rural town in Romania I'm not kidding even if that's not true I like that picture I like that image of him just in a shed in a barn in the middle of nowhere in icy cold Romania it's true though Romanian rer guccifer I breached Clinton server it was easy yeah the this guy he got arrested and he's in

34:47jail but the guy who set up the actual server Itself by the way which is in her bathroom Okay what why would you put a server in your bathroom exact okay who knows but that guy got immunity and this guy got the clintons are just so frustratingly paranoid even if there was nothing even if she wasn't doing anything wrong the fact that she's so paranoid as to need to set that up because she's so terrified that someone's going to get access to her emails well you know what they did they spent a million dollar to fight off social media opinions do you know about this look at this the pack spends $1 million to correct commenters on Reddit and Facebook a million dollars they spent a million dollars to fight off people that don't like Clinton I mean they're what they're doing is they're trying to engineer public support public support that Bernie Sanders has got

35:33organically that becomes really danger organically Trump has organically too maybe we don't know well here's the thing what he does what he does have is even people who hate him acknowledge that he is not full of and that he's not being he's not spouting someone else's lines right he doesn't seem manufactured he's obviously not a conventional politician I can dislike all of his policies as much as I do but I can still regard him as being a breath of fresh air hold on you don't like his policy what about the wall the Wall's a great idea are you a Pink Floyd fan I am a Pink Floyd fan actually I don't think the wall is the craziest of is even close to his craziest of ideas I mean what's the craziest keeping Muslims out of the country yeah probably not allowing any non-citizen Muslim into the United States is is not only crazy but incredibly dangerous cuz I think the

36:20that if we want to be able to conquer uh islamism and jihadism and islamist terrorism we got to find a way of I mean our best resources are moderate Muslims inside the United States right who can who have their ear to the ground who will notice uh mosques that might be becoming radicalized you want to appear to be a friendly uh tolerant democracy and of course you want to put in place all the security precautions that are necessary and you don't want to just be allowing millions of of unscreened people to come pouring in the way that they have in Europe but we don't have that problem here cuz we've got oceans between us so we can pick and choose who also why it gets really weird when you start talking about the CIA and CIA infiltrating different organizations it's like that's where you kind of support it you kind of support clandestine behavior and sneakiness and

37:09deception because they're they're pretty good at it they've been doing it for a long time and they know how to get deep into organizations you know like you ever see the show Homeland yeah course bro yeah was that a documentary no uh I mean the idea of a wall to me but I come from a country country Australia which is surrounded it's an island so like of course there are not that like the idea of people just pouring across the border back and forth and coming in for seasonal seasonal work and like that to me does strike me as as odd yeah right there's a there's an undefended border I don't I don't I don't think it would be a good investment of money I think it's silly I think it's a distraction if you talk to technology experts they say there are much better ways of securing the Border than with a physical wall you can have drones and things and you can have you

37:57know all kinds of crazy um but cuz people will dig under a wall or they'll climb over a wall it's not it's not it's not nearly as sophisticated the kind of technology that you could use but I don't think that there's anything inherently like bigoted about it I think deporting every single person who's here illegally is an overreaction and you like have you seen the stats about how many 747s full of people you would need to get all of all 11 million undocumented uh people in America there's more than 11 million in LA by the way this idea that there's 11 million undocumented people in America is hilarious get on the 405 at 3 in the afternoon and look around cuz there's millions and millions of people that are from Canada that are from Canada millions of people from Mexico millions of people from all sorts of spots that aren't supposed to be here they got visas and stayed that is

38:50rampant United States and the Bloody Aussies not to mention go to Santa Monica every Barista is an Aussie you guys don't let anybody in Australia either like boatloads of people that try to get over there spin them around light them on fire and push them out to the ocean people people don't play over there Australia's Australia's policy has been since the 80s that uh you have a high a very high level of legal migration and a high level of refugees of refugee intake like on a per capita basis Australia is one of certainly the top 10 most generous countries in terms of people coming in more than half of the population of Australia has arrived since the second world war really yep so it's actually a higher immigrant proportion country than the United States even if you do it legally if you do it legally but we have this quite controversial and pretty inhumane but I

39:36suppose defensible policy which is if you pay a people Smuggler to make your way all the way from Afghanistan or Iran or wherever it is you're coming from or Syria and you pass through a bazillion other different countries through Malaysia through Singapore you make your way down to Indonesia and you're rich enough to get on a boat that then comes to Australia you will never be settled in Australia really never ever ever never you'll be intercepted and you'll be sent to uh one of a couple of Pacific island nations there's a place called Manis Island in Papa new guine I believe there's another place called Naru which is a country in its own right and they have set up these big detention centers there and people can end up there for years or even decades while their cases get heard it's really barbaric people sew their lips together in protest one guy just set himself on fire

40:20in front of United Nations inspectors who were there it's really not pretty stuff but the government says listen we used to have under the previous government which relaxed these policies 50,000 people died at Sea trying to get to Australia in boats including women and children now almost nobody tries to come to Australia by boat anymore cuz they know they're never going to settle so what do you prefer a few hundred people basically being stuck in indefinite detention on some shitty Pacific island or 50,000 people dying at Sea trying to get here because they think they're going to be resettled plus Australia remains awesome that's where it gets weird it's pretty badass there so if you're trying to like look at the end result you might go man the result might justify the means because like go to Melbourne it's beautiful great it's incredible yeah it's like paradise there's there's

41:07something about Australia that to me it's like woo they might have it nailed there's only 20 million people in the entire country it's a huge country the landscape is gorgeous you don't have any ozone layer though no that's the problem everyone you get sunburnt and you get cancer yeah no Australia has 23 million people so what's that about half the population of California California is about 40 right that's La yeah so the the greater LA area if if you include yeah all the way up to Malibu and yeah yeah and down to down to Long Beach and all that uh and that's in that's in an area the same size as the contiguous United States yeah crazy and everybody lives in the edges yeah the middle the middle crocodiles and lizards Kangaroos and SP nuts man it's a crazy Place yeah but Canada's kind of like that Canada's only got 35 million people and it's bigger than the United States

41:58even including Alaska but it's Frozen most of the time yeah it's the same Canada and Australia are kind of very similar in that they're enormous but totally inhospitable I mean you could no sooner live in most parts of Canada than you could live in most parts of Australia where there's just no water and no vegetation Australia is Desert Canada is ice but not really ice he'd probably be better off trying Australia than you would can I mean try in Canada than you would Australia definitely well you could you could get water you could make fires and stuff I mean if there's no water you right but there's a lot of people that live like I have some friends that live in Alberta they live way up there they they live in it's cold as the winter time up there is like 30 40 below zero I mean it's crazy but they live there they're fine you know well I mean when modern with modern

42:43civilization I suppose yeah it' be and the other thing about Australia and Canada is as you say we all huddle along a very very narrow strip in Australia it's the coast and in Canada it's the Border don't you think it's easier though to live in a cold climate than inhospitably hot climate CU you could dress for a cold climate you can get in your car you drive around you're all right you get in your house it's warm but hot climates are scary like it gets too hot to survive outside for whatever reason that's way scarier because you can't dress for it like you could wear like really insulated clothes and you can actually stand outside at 10 below but in theeast right mhm but if you're outside and it's 13° outside you're I feel like this is this just comes from what you're used to I reckon because you grow up in the Northeast you you're not as scared of the cold I I I find like when I first

43:32moved to New York I remember saying to people back in Australia why is there even a city here why why did anyone ever come across the ocean and build a City here where it's literally so cold that a dog's piss on the sidewalk will turn into ice it's like I'm it's like I'm in the TV show The Dome and it's just a giant freezer cuz I I never had the conception of actually being sub freezing like is just freezing you should not be living anywhere where if you fell over drunk at night and hit your head you would be dead by the morning but then again shouldn't we get rid of some dummies shouldn't we thin the herd a little bit you know if you're falling asleep out in the street drunk I mean it's sad when it happens to people you hear about it with like college kids they freeze to death it happens like every other year or so some college kid in New Hampshire will get drunk fall

44:22asleep outside and freeze to death shouldn't be living there don't do it move all of Canada and the Northeast down to the Mid-Atlantic States and be done with it it's not bad though if you have warm clothes if you have warm clothes you could survive up there it's not that bad well I mean if you have air conditioning you could people live in Phoenix but sub no but subzero temperatures like if it's zero outside you could walk around you can go places like if it's 130° outside you can't go anywhere that's true you can not only go places when it's subfreezing I have been swimming my sister-in-law is Finnish and in Finland they go into saers and then they go out and swim in lakes in the middle of nowhere when it is- 22° I've been swimming in a lake when it's- 22° the whole thing is frozen over oh my God they just chip a hole in it yeah they don't need to chip it they uh

45:10they have a hose like have water spouts so the water keeps moving so that it can't form Ice uh and uh I maybe they start by chipping it but it's basically like a bubbling cold pool and you sit in the sauna which is you know it's it's nudging 100° C I don't know what that is 200 you know 200 degre fenhe or something and then you come out through the air which is - 20 uh fenhe I think it crosses Fen and Celsius cross over around in the low minus 20s and then you get in the water you can't put your head under cuz you can go into this condition where your brain essentially shuts down and goes into freeze but uh yeah there you go an image of people in uh people in Finland they love it so that looks like they cut a hole in the ice yeah that looks like they cut a hole in the ice but that's not me if you go to my Facebook you can probably find it back there somewh

45:57deep dark and distant path damn yeah yeah well people love that that ice cold ice cold going back and forth between the two of them is amazing gives you a high it does well it actually really does yeah actually produces certain chemicals in your brain epinephrine is that what it is norepinephrine norepinephrine I'll believe you um Dr Ronda Patrick was on she was talking about um cold shock therapy cold shock proteins MH and uh heat shock proteins and that there's uh different um there's different proteins that we produce in the sauna and the sauna is really beneficial for hormone production for Sleep melatonin production all sorts of different thing I think it's melatonin might not have been but all sorts of growth hormone for sure that was one of them but uh things that rejuvenate the body produced by these heat shock proteins I mean just look at the Nordic

46:45people and people in like Northern Germany they all swear by saas I mean the swedes and the Norwegians and the fins and the Danes I mean it's not like these are not people who you'd want to emulate these are very attractive healthy long living people yeah they're robust I think there's definitely something to it to both sauna and cold baths like you know winoff you know who Wim Hoff is the Wim Hoff method of breathing and he's got like something like 26 World Records he's been on the podcast before too 26 World Records about like dealing with climate and cold he summited Everest in his shorts with ice sandals on I'm not even kidding no no oxygen didn't bring any Oxygen with him oh God Maniac crazy but he's developed this ability to tolerate extreme temperature distance or uh temperature changes and uh he swears by it he thinks it's the great teacher

47:38about life and who you are and what you are and just invigorates you in some strange way that I mean when you meet the guy you believe it because he's like radiating energy yeah it's funny what people I mean it's like Tim Tim Ferris as well right where he he'll go through periods where he's taking ice bars and doing all this crazy and measuring the impact that it has on his physiology and M I'm just too lazy man I don't I I wow I can't talk to you anymore dude I'm sorry sorry yeah I understand man did you see the um did you see the Philadelphia conference that I that I sent you which about uh about white people's guilt I'm guilty um you are guilty what did I do there was a I was white there was a White Privilege Conference that was held in Philadelphia I love that article explain that I tweeted this uh retweeted it I'm sure yeah yeah you did I was like why is my Twitter blowing oh Joe

48:27retweeted me uh so there was this White Privilege Conference uh which was a kind of politically correct talk Fest right and it basically ended up consuming itself entirely because the people who were attending it decided that the conference itself had become too white so they were they were all getting they were all there so they had this hashtag um White Privilege Conference so white WPC so white uh and it started after one of the speakers there who was a white historian uh went over time and an Asian-American attendee woman tweeted out great keynote but going overtime allotted is another example of white supremacy # whiteprivilege conference so white and he also made the mistake of using the nword in his speech I mean he obviously was using it in a historical context because he was talking about race in America but once that happened uh I mean what could possibly go wrong

49:23using the nword at a conference about white guilt right then everyone starts tweeting nword never acceptable from # whitefolks lips deeply offensive and traumatizing # White Privilege Conference so white and that was from a white Tweeter so then it's just it's like a snake eating its tail right all these white people just accusing one another of being too white you're all white we get it we get it it's what Michael Shermer calls virtue signaling right yeah it's they're they're letting every it's perfect it's perfect term they're they're trying to find someone who's made some sort of an error and they're attacking them with full force yep and and it's also like they're ignoring context on purpose it's like by saying that the word is it's never acceptable to say the nword by saying that and putting that in a tweet that's not true it's just not true like

50:18if if there's a reason to say it if you explaining something that happened what someone said how they said it you are allowed to repeat the word the idea that you're not allowed to repeat the word around grown adults is to pretend that word is Magic yeah to pretend that word is going to conjure demons well it also empowers the word in fact I feel stupid for even having used the phrase the N word because ordinarily I just say if I'm talking about the existence of that word shut the podcast but hey I'm Australian so I don't understand context right but I mean I was talking about this uh on on my podcast about I I do think that we we've gotten away from like where is the other person's heart and what is their intention so like if you ever use that word in Anger at another person I think you're a total and you should not do that or you're r a sorry that's true I didn't mean

51:07that ladies and gentlemen I couldn't help it this A standup comedian in me but um but if you're just using it in conversation in order to talk about the existence of the word we know that though everyone knows that and I think it's a duh thing here's the problem with a lot of these these things where you attack someone's use of a word it's duh it becomes one of those things like if someone says sexism is bad racism is bad we need to be a more integrated and complete and whole culture and society and we need to look at each other for like Martin Luther King said the content of their character not the co- their skin isn't that duh at a certain point in time some people think that it's not du enough in enough places with people but are we going to educate races or are we just going to toot our own horn as to how non-racist we are right the latter because another one of the tweets that

51:56happened at this conference read a white woman telling a black woman to close the door at a workshop session another example of # whiteprivilege conference so white you're not allowed to tell a person of color to do anything no Char Zs that's right they gentle little flowers what if they just leave the water running just what do you mean you allow to say hey uh can you shut that water off no that's racist oh okay um what if what if they just throw lit cigarettes on the ground outside are you allowed to correct them or no that's racist racist okay what if um let's just spend the whole rest of the podcast going through hypothetical anecdotes about what would be racist what is very strange that there is a word that certain people are allowed to use like that black people can use it and they can even use it as a form of empowerment but I think that's okay isn't it do you think that's

52:48hypocritical I reckon if you if you're I reckon if your people and your ancestors have been over completely for 400 years then it's a little bit Rich when the when people who belong to the ethnicity that's been you over don't let you reclaim the word that was previously oppressive oh 100% not only that it in practice it seems correct when it's being done yeah like if a white person uses the word and they use it freely like me even me just using it in that joke just joking around like what have you done well it you know it's a joke and it's still it impacts in some sort of a very bizarre way but if a rapper is using it it seems like like like someone saying you know like you know you know what I'm saying man you know you know you know I mean it's become that but it was subversive when black people started saying it right the right but my point being a white person

53:38saying the exact same things is horrific and shocking like that's Stitch's guy that Stitch's guy likes that word he throws the word around all the time I bet he does doesn't surprise me at all yeah no no that's not him that's not him Stitch is the one with the joker yeah yeah yeah yeah you got to get your white people straight that other guy the bur's the black eyy that's Gucci M he uses too I'm so not racist I just Mook a white person for a black person you're amazing I don't even see color for president too bad you were born at some other hole I know if you were born here you could have a real good run at it I'm no when I'm just not good enough I can't do I can't do what Trump does I I look at that admiringly I'm like how does he have the balls the audacity but you wouldn't do it that way one of the things that I think that is fascinating about Trump and really problematic is

54:22that human beings love to be United in tribes and not necessarily always good tribes we love to be United in tribes and whether it's tribes of people who use Mac over Windows whether it's tribes of Android users whether it's tribes of people from Wisconsin versus tribes from people from Texas we love to be in a Collective group of people yeah even if it's not a good group even if it's not good ideas and one of the things that I I get disturbed about with this Trump thing is how many annoying goofy white dudes are really into him there's like there's an anti-intellectual aspect like a shut down debate aspect about this yeah I think there's a lot of that I'm being sarcastic because of course there's an anti-intellectual strain to to Trump's support not all of it though there's intelligent people that support him too totally but they're not supporting him

55:17because he his ideas are intelligent they're supporting him in spite of the fact that they're intelligent because there's something about his vibe that appeals I feel like there's a bunch of people supporting him him cuz he's winning and they want to see him win and they want to get in on some of that winning and there's a bunch of dumb white dudes that are hopping aboard that that are just letting you know he's winning he's winning Trump's winning I think it's partly that I think it's partly exhaustion with the political correctness that we've just been talking about and the fact that they feel like they can't say anything about the threat of islamist terrorism or about the changing demographics of America or about illegal immigration without being branded as a bigot and I think it's also just what I was saying before about him seeming refreshing like it's the same

55:59back in Australia I was back in Australia uh about 6 weeks ago and I was on a panel TV show there and they were asking me about Trump like the audience asks questions and stuff and I was trying to explain it by reference to the fact that even in Australia people don't feel like politicians are speaking their language like actual human beings and are like take for example gay marriage in Australia Australia still doesn't have gay marriage you should be psyched about that you don't have to give away half your money sorry honey can't do it I'd love to marry you ain't happening I'd be pumped tax laws are different though it's actually better to be married in Australia than it is not to be married it's not like here where they screw you how's that I don't understand wait a minute someone's going to take half your no it's not the Govern you get divorce they're going to take

56:43half your yeah no you don't that's what I'm saying I thought you me taxes taxes don't worry about that so uh the the Australia is one of the most prog gay marriage places in the world when you actually poll people 70 80% of the population wants gay marriage uh it's one of the least religious countries in the world when you poll people more than 60% of the population don't believe in God or go to church regularly the last prime minister well the Prime Minister before last was an unmarried atheist woman uh so it's not like this is a place where you would expect people to be opposed to gay marriage I bet what's going on I bet I get it I bet gay dudes are secretly going and voting against gay marriage so they don't have to get married I think that's what it is I think it's like these pot dealers up in Northern California that secretly voted against marijuana legalization cuz they wanted

57:28to keep it illegal so they could make more money and they wouldn't have to turn in the the taxes for it oh that's shrewd it's dirty it's dirty and it's prevalent I talked to some Growers that were telling me they were going to vote against it they were going to vote against legalization because legalization would them over economically and I know I'm being selfish but hey man that's how we do it up here yeah you know I mean do you think the Mexican drug cartels want to end to the War on Drugs hell no of course not why would you yeah why would you but I mean my my point is that the Prime Minister of Australia currently favors gay marriage the the par there's a majority in Parliament for it and instead because he had to do some shady back room deal to get into Power uh with his his fellow party hacks there's going to they're not doing it now there's going to be like a pleite which is like

58:13a non-binding referendum about it or something and all my only point was it's so obvious that politicians are so full of and that they're beholden to people other than the people who elected them that whether people whether you're listening to Ted Cruz orill Hillary Clinton people just have a sense that they're being fed lines did you hear Hillary talking about after Trump accus of playing the woman's card she goes uh you know if it's playing the woman's card to believe in equal pay then deal me in I'm like nobody speaks like that why are you speaking like that why you sound like like that so I can I can imagine people going it's so gross hearing that is so gross first of all she was a person who said that marriage should be between a man and a woman until 2013 Okay 201 13 she was still saying that that is just isn't it convenient how her views on everything just happen to evolve at

59:10exactly the same point so that when when 51% of the American population comes around to them she has an Awakening it's just so mysterious that I had I just don't understand this is cluey in this who is trying to keep gay marriage illegal in Australia cuz if there's all those people you would think that if the majority of the people wanted it if uh the Prime Minister wanted if all these people wanted it why who's who's working and what benefit is there of keeping it illegal so think about I think everyone knows it's going to happen it's just a matter of trying to postpone it but it's what's basically happened is that there is a rift between within the conservative party between conservative conservatives and Progressive and like socially liberal conservatives so think about the Republican party here where you've got like Christian evangelicals as a component of it but you've also got

59:56the Rand paul/ maybe Donald Trump kind of contingent people who aren't who don't want who don't really care what people do in the privacy of their own homes but they're fiscally conservative uh those people that faction had previously nominated uh their leader to be the Prime Minister and that was the Prime Minister he got stabbed in the back by one of his colleagues who's socially liberal and the only way that he could get the support of the faction that he needed to become Prime Minister was by guaranteeing them that he wouldn't move Mo too fast on gay marriage so it's a minority of a minority of conser of like culturally conservative conservatives who represent rural districts with a bunch of farmers in them ah the farmers you know it's always the goddamn Farmers I had a joke in one of my old specials there's only two types of people that care about gay

60:44marriage people who are really dumb or people that are secretly worried that dicks are delicious I think the only thing that makes sense that's right Farmers someone's got to get them to suck a dick they can realize what's the all the hoopla about what about just go ahead and suck it you probably won't even like it uh and then you be like yeah look and marry a guy I don't give a what about the guy who was sucking all those horse dicks and um and uh en Claw is that is that Seattle was he he was dressed up in like leather and he'd go out in the farm in the middle of the night and he'd like give horses blows oh you're talking about the guy who um got arrested several I'm talking about the guy who died he died from getting his name was they used to call him Mr hands I love that you know his name yeah there was a um documentary called zoo and uh it was all about zilia

61:41which is a real sexual attraction that people have to farm animals always white people by the way Hollow white people actually I think the guy who got arrest was black I yep I he wasn't just covered in leather no he was black leather bro he's from Australia it's also kind of adding insult to injury for the animal that you're actually wearing leather I'm wearing your I'm wearing your skin at the same time as I you he's not wearing horse hair though maybe not yeah it's different it's different species but um this guy who lived in uh Enumclaw they had found each other online on a for him and all these people they developed this relationship online with these people that were really into horses and getting uh by farm animals and so they invested in this property and they got this farm and they had these horses there was over a 100 hours of footage of these people getting

62:34by animals and one guy they tape it mhm oh there's a video of it you can watch it you want to see absolutely what else am I doing this afternoon Joe the way folks who who are listening only I urge you to go to YouTube just to watch the subtle Twist of his head absolutely m week in Los Angeles I got a lot of time on my hands between meetings I'll be uh do you want to win the lottery absolutely man and famous enum claw horse sex faces new charges in Tennessee um oh was a different guy what year is this 2009 it's after um that guy was dead it says okay here it is a former Washington State man who is convicted of trespassing at an Enumclaw Farm where a man was fatally injured while having sex with a horse in 2005 right is accused of having sex with animals on a Tennessee farm so one of the same people that was in that group the guy going to do grow out of it of course I mean the way

63:32you're hardwired is the way you hard wide it's like I don't know about all that I would think that once my friend got to death I might want to reconsider yeah you would think that's sensible but it's like I mean the think it's like being gay or something I always get in trouble because when we talk about pedophilia and stuff like that I sort of make the same analogy which is I have I mean whilst it's the worst conceivable thing that I can imagine anyone doing morally I have some sympathy for people who are hard in such a way that they get a hard on from infants or animals or something right I mean the reason I'm not a pedophile is not because I'm morally Superior it's cuz I've never been attracted to a to anyone who's not post pubescent most likely you're right most likely you're right um the real problem becomes in trying to decipher what is causing some

64:16person to have these feelings like is it an instance of them being molested themselves when they were younger which is is it just an error in the way the brain works but some people have epilepsy yeah but this is very different this is like clear victimization gayness is two people choosing to be attracted to the same sex or being attracted to the same sex and choosing to be with each other rather yeah this is different vitim I'm just talking about what what uh what you're attracted to right if you separate the actual act obviously obviously it's very very different because you're abusing someone who who doesn't who isn't old enough to be able to consent uh but the Act of feeling like you're attracted erotically mhm to a baby right regardless of whether you ever act on it that is something that subjectively must just be a horrible prison I mean imagine if you could never

65:08get your rocks off without torturing another person yeah wouldn't be a pretty place to be it would be horrific I just wonder you know I I would like to agree with you but when I think about it I wonder what is the actual process that leads is I mean what is going on in their mind I can't grasp it I can't understand it so no me neither it's got to be multifactorial right it's got to be a bunch of it's probably childhood abuse it's probably a combination of who knows but that doesn't change the fact that they're presumably not capable of of of changing it I don't know if that's the case but it seems to be true the recidivism rate amongst people who molest children is insanely High absolutely we should give them the option of chemical castration as an alternative to jail and then just have have them with no libidos the problem becomes whether or not it's actually sexual or whether it's

66:00psychological and if if it's uniform like some people might be sexually attracted to children in some way that you could cure with chemical castration whereas some of them might be psychologically attracted to the dominance and to like it's what they say about rape right that rape isn't really about sex in a lot of the cases obviously in some cases it's about sex but in some cases it's not it's about power and dominance and how many people it's not a sexual thing what if they wound up cuz they couldn't get it up they wound up just doing things to kids in a up way because they wanted to control them and dominate them well then they're just being dicks but I mean it might be the the origin of it all I mean there there might be a bunch of different versions of this and that's for them that might be the origin of it all they might be just they want to torture people yep I mean there's

66:48sociopaths out there there's Psychopaths there's there's people that are just their brain is when you hear about a serial killer I mean is there a chemical castration for a serial killer to stop them from enjoying killing people but there's also but I've spoken to experts about pedophilia who say like what you want to do we're making a mistake at the moment by demonizing the condition rather than demonizing the act right so what you want to do is set up a scenario in which it's possible for a 15-year-old kid who realizes that he's attracted to infants to go to a psychiatrist and get help and talk about his options without feeling like he is a total monster just because he's having those feelings it's hard for us to think that way because if he acted on those feelings he would be a monster but you want to find you want him to be able to Avail himself of whatever kind

67:35of medical treatment is available rather than just going out and hiding in the shadows and doing yeah and committing monstrous acts I don't know how to get around that I don't I don't think anybody does I mean think think think it's one of the reasons why this is such a compelling subject is because it's one of the most horrific things like there's there's some horrific like undeniably horrific things that people are capable of doing murder is one of them rape is one of them torture this is this is right up there it's right up there with torture and Isis and beheadings and there was a guy on a talk show once that was talking about his he's compelled to uh have sex with children he's been sexually attracted to children all of his life but he fights it off and he doesn't do anything about it he wanted people to understand it and he was talking about it openly and I was

68:19like first of all How brave is this guy that he's willing to go on television and do these interviews and talk about his compulsion even though he said he's innocent of of the actual act itself he has his compulsion and I think the spectrum of uh different ways that the Mind functions is so complex and so confusing as to what's the origin of these Behavior patterns is it because of abuse is it because of a malfunction is it is is there a tumor like what the is going on in someone's brain that leads them down these paths and I don't think that's been answered I no I mean what look at take it back to bestiality and like having a giving a horse a right like is there anything necessarily unethical about giving a horse a if the horse is pushing back I say no what if yeah exactly right yeah if you offer up your butt to a horse and he's and he's just digging in

69:15there look Jamie just Jamie just shook his head I'm telling you though like what is morally what is actually morally wrong with a horse if the horse is into it well the you first of all yeah okay the horse is a top um the the video of the guy getting to death by the horse though is horrific of course but how could he not how was he not able to get out of the situation the horse had him pinned there the video starts up a buddy of mine sent this to me this is how I found out about I watched it a 100 times bro it's on my it's on my computer right now it's the screen saver it's in there I I just copy it I put it on little flash drives leave it around my house just in case somebody decides to delete it off the internet um the guy it's the video starts out and the guy is naked and he's bent over B and then his friend I use the word air quotes grabs the horse's penis and leads

70:06it up to his butt and you're like there is no way and then how does that even happen how like what kind of what no I don't want to he's open his he's opening his laptop ladies and gentlemen forc my hand here we go don't be scared homie.com what do you mean how I mean the guy's just got a giant butt it's really that simple yeah well no I mean I know that like you got to like you got to lube up a little bit beforehand you got to make sure that you're available you're a but I can't that's a lot of that's a lot of fingers you got to put in before the horse can go yeah there's a lot going on there it's not that simple um it's just it's again it's one of those things like what the is it about a person's mind that allows that in there and what and how do you get from uh I think this would be an amazing thing to try to actually being there in the bar like straddled over the baale of hey I

70:57don't know how you I'd be too I'd be too bashful even if I wanted to do it I'd be too that's adorable I wouldn't have the guts I think I mean I mean obviously I'm just thinking what the do I know but don't pretend you're not a horse walker I think there's there's just look there's a reason why some people love jazz music and there's some people that love basketball and some people like sailing some people hate the water and some people want to sunbathe all day and some people want to only go out at night people vary a lot and in this gigantic broad variance of human beings every now and then one pressure cooker spits out a dude likes to get by horses but what I mean yeah I totally take that but what I mean is I'm amazed at the at the people who can in who can translate their latent mental desires into actual real world experiences whether that's climbing Mount Everest I

71:52mean there are all kinds of things I'd like to do eyes are just getting real wide as he looks at something on his laptop I'm trying to find Mr I found it Mr H like whether it's uh I'd like to go scuba diving with sharks I'd like to go uh you know I'd like to go scuba diving under Antarctic ice but I haven't done it cuz I'm too much of a and I'm too much of a to get raped by a horse that's what I'm saying dude it's not my thing I don't get it in the meantime I'm going to plug my podcast which is which people should go and check out We the People live We the People is all one word uh and you can find it on the we basically get three interesting people in a in a bar and we all talk about uh about what's going on in the world Jim Norton Ry Lang beautiful folks like that it's great well New York's a good spot to do that a lot of opinionated people yeah it's

72:37fantastic we did one here as well with Greg Fitz Simmons and uh Fred staler and Zack craigger funny people and uh Joe was on it as well if you want to check out uh episode 30 episode 30 Joe Rogan what bar is that uh that particular one is Pine Box Rock Shop which is where we used to do it that was in cool place that is great that place looks awesome and now we do it in Williamsburg oh of course you do how dare you do you have to do you have to roll up the the Cuffs of your pants no it wouldn't be a tie it' be like a bow tie like dun Sinatra style un untucked exactly around my neck have you found the video I want to see some horse here it is I don't do I want to see this am I going to be able to undo this am I going to be able to unsee this well make sure that he doesn't it doesn't get shown on screen Jamie starring Mr hands so here's the gentleman okay there's the horse

73:25dark like it looks like a night vision type thing CU so the guy's lifting the horse's legs up my God the hor front legs are on his shoulders no no no the horse's front legs are on the hay and this is the the horse's dick and it's in the dude's but hey holla look at this no I don't want to be seeing this how dare he it's so huge and the guy's having a hard time getting it in at first and how about that and it goes all the way in is that when it justl in Come On Son yeah he died listen to The Sounds do you hear the sound yes and now the dick comes out and it's got liquid all over it which is probably like oh is that what it was yeah can't look anymore I wonder if I can go to jail for having that mate like it's totally illegal I'm feeling I'm feeling a little violated right now we should that guy died that way I just saw a man die yeah from a deck 80 minutes ago I pulled into the

74:23car park here on a beautiful californ day and if you told me then that in 80 minutes time I would have just watched a man die from being anally raped by a horse how about the sound he makes I wouldn't have believed you want to hear the sound again no I don't want to hear the sound again Joe supposed to be a pleasant conversation it is Pleasant what about nothing happened to us we should be happy we should be happy we figured out a way to not have this happen to us yeah yeah it's pretty easy to not have that happen to you there are there are so many things that have to happen in order for that to happen on a second hear that that's the moment at which his at which a horse's penis goes through his intestine and into his head that's called that's a wrap that's a wrap for this life folks take care we'll see in the next Dimension what a ridiculous way to die I mean talk about the Darwin

75:19Awards there's one who awesome maybe it's better than being in a nursing home and having some I kick you isn't there anything in between that those are my only two options I either get to be in a nursing home and have somebody kick me or I get to get anally raped to death by a horse that's it there other options but I mean I mean listen my point of view is that this guy in getting to death by a horse created this video and this video has provided me with hundreds of hours of entertainment that I would have never gotten without this guy Dy hundreds of hours the video is only one minute long you've watched it several hundred times I've watched it so many times exaggerating but think about all the people throughout the world who will now Google Mr hands find that video I'm sure it's up there somewhere laugh their ass off like that guy probably gave all those people a burst of

76:07Happiness like through his death like you think about like what you've done in life and what having those experiences and showing them to other people what impact it has on them how many people have watched people like do those those bird suits they squirrel suits they jump off buildings and and they fly around and watch him you get a thrill out of it like whoa you watch those videos you get a thrill out of that right you watch a guy bungee jumping you get a thrill you watch this and millions of people I'm sure I think I I think at does that make you happy the same way that the Birdman videos make you happy yes there's a difference here a dude dies getting anally raped by a horse Jo those bird guys die all the time yeah I wouldn't want to see where they die trees and how about these see that's what I'm talking about this is a hboard on the edge right on the edge of a the top of a skysc

76:55these guys are spinning around on one of these first of all you're you're counting on these Chinese lithium ion batteries that were put together by slaves who knows if they're going to burst into flames this guy's goinging handstands he's doing handstands on top of a skyscraper Co what is that Dubai Jesus where is he look can't watch this no here perfect example if you saw that like that gives you a thrill but if one of those guys did that and then went flying off the building like would like what if Mr hands that was a video where he lived cuz he got to death a gang I mean got a gang of times before he got to death I'd be uh I'd be happier I'd be happier if he lived but then I wouldn't I also wouldn't be happy about that just I'm just don't I'm not enjoying the entire Mr H's experience Joe Rogan but what if you met him and then he was annoying you like wish that guy got to death

77:43he probably would be annoying did you hear did you hear that Oklahoma has had to change there I was just looking this up but when we were talking about pedophilia that uh there was a rape case in this is not something to laugh about but it is interesting about how we Define rape where a 17-year-old kid this was last month uh and a 16-year-old he made her well here's what happened she was really drunk they'd been drinking in a park with some friends he gave her a ride home she woke up I think in the middle of the night completely deliriously drunk and her mother or grandmother took her to the hospital because she was so drunk she woke up in hospital first thing she kind of really remembered was the doctors asking her what kind of sexual activity had happened because they'd found uh some of the the 17-year-old's DNA around her mouth and on her legs she said I've

78:37got no recollection they went to the guy and he said yeah she wanted to give me a and she gave me a when she was like blackout drunk so she charges him for rape and the Oklahoma court found that it wasn't forcible rape so now they're having to change Oklahoma's laws because the only thing that it would have been would have like it basically has to be forcible it's called forcible sodomy right and if and the judge was saying if a victim is so intoxicated that they're completely unconscious then it's not actually forcible cuz there's nothing for like they weren't forced to do it they didn't even know that they were or weren't doing it Jesus well how do you define that then well exactly I don't know but I mean clearly you should not be going around putting your dick in unconscious 16y olds mouths clearly but at the same time I can sort would have understand

79:25that maybe it's not the same level of horribleness as like just flat out just raping somebody there's also the problem with the girl possibly consenting at the time just being so up she doesn't remember consenting especially since she's 16 it's one of her first ever sexual experiences or first ever drunk sexual experiences we should assume yes so it is entirely possible that this boy who was only a few months older than her didn't have the wherewithal to understand that she was compromising to the point where she couldn't consent so who who I mean they're both drunk you know it's that gets real weird that gets real weird and we don't know exactly what words were exchanged what actually did happen what the history of these two together was like we don't know I mean if I had if I had a son I would have to say now just never ever have any sexual relations with anybody who's drunk

80:17that's a it's a girls like getting when they're drunk some guys like their girlfriends when they're drunk you some everybody who like who didn't who's early sexual experiences would were done sober well what if you you're both drunk like that's there was a a big thing that feminists were trying to push for a while and they kind of abandon it because they realize that it literally makes 90% of the population a rapist and they were saying you shouldn't have sex even with your husband if your husband is drunk and you're sober don't have sex with them Y and basically saying that all drunk sex is non-consensual sex which therefore makes it rape you can't consent but then the argument becomes well how come you you're responsible for driving your car when you're drunk you're responsible for that if you get caught you know you're not supposed to drive your car when

80:58you're drunk it's not like oh I was too drunk I couldn't consent to drive my car no you're responsible you're a adult you're responsible for violence you can't beat somebody up and say well I didn't know I was drunk but when it comes to sexuality for whatever reason you're not responsible for your actions if you're intoxicated well you are if you if you're the rapist not just not the rape no the women were saying this is part of the argument that if a man you and he's drunk and you're sober even though he's the he's the proactive one right that he's being raped he's being raped yes that sex with a drunk person is rape CU they cannot consent well then you might as well just as you say make every single activity that you do while drunk but the real problem becomes it becomes an attack on men because it's very very rare that any woman ever gets in trouble for having

81:45sex with a man that's drunk but women and men have both been drunk and the men have been accused of being rapist whereas the woman wasn't that was the ocidental University thing yeah that's right college or university what is it College college yeah I think so too uh I mean that was that guy suing it frustrates me so much because this is one of those areas where like Islam or like political correctness or like black lives matter I feel like the moment you try to introduce Nuance you can be very quickly taken out of context and accused of being pro that thing like 100% you know cuz I'll say something like this and then supporters of mine on Twitter will be like yeah like her or like you know let's rape or I'll be like no no that's that is not what I'm saying whatsoever that's why it's horrific that they could take what you're doing right now and take it and make a little

82:31YouTube clip out of it take that clip and put a title on it Josh Zep thinks rap's okay exactly I mean it's really not out do think it's okay in fact I I encourage everybody to go out and rape as many people as possible uh that a believe what I'm hearing place that was a funny funny no place for jokes no no no more no more jokes even duh jokes yeah if like if if I were to say for example that uh praying upon somebody praying upon a woman with like a knife and forcing her against her will to have sex with you is a worse class of behavior than coming in an unconscious in your unconscious girlfriend's mouth right would that like is that is it have we got to a stage where it's just not possible to even talk about that because we just have to keep mouthing the slogan of sexual violence is unacceptable all the time therefore there's no way of of even distinguishing in the law between

83:26different levels you know someone who a boyf a 17-year-old boyfriend who makes a mistake should go to jail for just the same length of time as a repeat serial Predator who prays upon women well we don't want to admit that there is any difference and that all these things are exactly the same and one of the reasons why is because what you just said just even in in introducing it as a possibility like there might be a variation there might be uh there there might be a great of like this is a level 10 rape this is a level 9 rape this is level eight like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa as soon as you start getting into that it's almost like you're a rape apologist or you're a rape supporter or we want to be able to boil things into a headline a clickbait headline and spit it out there here's my thoughts on rape you know and that's why the idea of everyone who's

84:17drunk is getting raped is so ridiculous yeah because it's like we've all been with someone that we love and we got drunk and we wanted to have sex with them when we did no one got raped well and it's not only ridiculous it's also demeaning to the victims of really terrible rape right I mean it's also it diminishes their their legitimate um concern it's also insanely sexist because it shows women as being these people that can't make good decisions while they're intoxicated whereas the men know exactly what they're doing so they rape the woman so the men and the women even though they're both engaging in the exact same exact same act they're both saying they want to do it the man is the he's the attacker whereas the woman is an innocent person who doesn't know any better because she's drunk there was a pace on the that I was rating on the plane in the Sunday Times

85:04uh yesterday about the word Survivor how the word Survivor has been has is getting used now it was really interesting piece it's in the New York Times magazine this Survivor I am I had the flu and they were making the point that like when everything when Every Act of sexual violence gets gets labeled with I am a survivor of sexual violence even if that was just unwanted touching on the subway then like what does it mean to be what do you mean you survived it were you ever were you ever going to die because someone like slapped you on the ass in the workplace not to not to say that it's okay to do that but again you're just compressing all of the actual real horrifying survival stories down to the level of oh someone looked at me funny and called me toots yeah you can't call it survival but you're a victim yeah yeah but Survivor sounds better you barely made

85:56it survivor of bullying I saw that someone someone wrote they're a survivor of high school bullying yeah what the happened to you what what was so bad did someone try to stab you did somebody beat you up to the point of you almost dying or did someone just annoy you all the time and make you feel bad is that what happen there are a few there are only a few scenarios in which I think you can legitimately be called a Survivor a bear attack would be one of them Shar attack shark attack another one basically any kind of large carniverous animal attacking you Mountain line yeah Mountain line we're don't you go through through the all coyote tiger leopard monkey monkey India a mayor got killed by monkeys really yeah did you hear that uh maybe all the ele all the AFC African elephants are going to be dead in 20 years what that's what I reading an article they were

86:42saying there places in Africa that have so many elephants they have to kill them yeah I know Africa is enormous this is one of the things that people Jamie don't understand might be in an area of Africa but Africa itself is huge yes and there's a conference with all of the people who are there we go Time Magazine African could be extinct within 20 years if poaching maybe cuz all of the uh there's a conference of African leaders at the moment going on to figure out how they can uh they can tackle poaching wow but Africa is a continent it's a enormous it's bigger than almost all the continents combined I know but if you keep killing them at a much larger rate than they procreate then over time you're going to wipe them all out what's scary is people are still hunting them yeah on top of the poaching so there's there's these places that develop African Hunting safaries

87:33For Elephants so they raise elephants in these high fence operations just so people can go over there and hunt them and that's one of the ways that they ensure that their populations stay high it's very twisted like Trump's kids you seen those photos of trump Sons holding up holding up Jaguars and yeah you know that whole African hunting thing I I I um tell people if you if you think it's bizarre with from a cursory glance you got to look at Louis th's documentary about these African honey can we mentioned this before cuz I've been a theu fan since day since day one but that that episode is just killer that's that one's nuts I love the end of it when the guy's going crazy and he's asking him all the questions he's like Africa he's he's you don't understand this continent is fact and when he was saying that you really you kind of get it yeah I hate the term poacher too poacher is a dark

88:27term because a lot of those people that are poaching are just starving they're poor as we have this idea that these are like these mercenaries that come over to steal Ivory so they can make money off of it there's a lot of people that are killing these animals that hom almost have no way out there's nothing there for them they don't know any better they're not educated they're just starving and someone says hey you give me that Rhino horn I'll give you 500 bucks and they're like holy 500 bucks and and they'll kill as many rhinos as they can before they get killed it's so dark I have a friend who went over there he went over there to Africa and he said um he was uh on this uh hunting Safari where um they have these enormous places of uh where they have uh these hunting camps where they're it's a 10-hour drive to the other side of the ranch I mean it's enormous enormous territory and while

89:21they were there they encountered these quote quote poachers and he said the people from the honey Camp just shoot at the poachers they just shoot at them like they're coyotes yeah they shoot at these people like I mean they don't even give them a chance they just shoot at them yeah and they're allowed to it's legal and when they shoot someone he asked him like what do you do if you kill someone and he's like most of the time we let the hyenas sort it out most of the time we let the hyenas short I mean just think about how crazy life is in that part of the world that this guy's actually saying that we're pretty lucky and I'm guessing that Trump's kids are probably not that poor that they need to be hunting that way they're over there doing those um big game Safari yeah there's one there's a photo of one of them holding up an elephant's trunk just the just the dismembered trunk just the

90:15big old nose just hanging there cuz little W Trump couldn't I know don't pull that up I don't want to see it I do I do know that they've had to kill elephant certain areas that have infiltrated these Villages and start killing people but you know the the questions like what how how with did they get before they started killing people what's the actual reality well also I mean as you say like what's the reality of the human beings Lives who are doing this as well I was just in I when I was coming back from Australia I spent a week in India and uh in Mumbai did there's this company that does uh tours of the biggest slum in Asia like the kind of Slum Dog Millionaire slum and they and they work in development there with some of the poorest people in the world there's an area it's an area the SI it's called Davi and it's in Mumbai it's the it's one of the biggest slums

91:06in the world and it's an area the size of half the size of Central Park and it's got like 2 million people living in it Jesus Christ they do development stuff there and you can walk through and these I mean you feel a little bit weird like going through this place like it's almost like disaster a porn or something they're like hugee canals which just smell just and like dead dogs and and pieces and just just I mean but you know what people are getting on with life They're laughing there there are soccer balls they're playing with like you know kids are scaming around in the dust and the and the dirt and the grime people people are resilient in amazing ways well if they weren't we wouldn't be here cuz this 2016 where you go to the supermarket and you buy a chicken breast oh we're so out of touch we so out of touch the most recent of of recent I mean it's one of the more

92:01amazing things about how upset people are about how life is today like God damn it it's the easiest it's ever been ever yeah I know this is the greatest time in the history of the world yeah and everyone's the sky falling well and we don't and as our lives get better and better we don't we fail to accurately calibrate like any any Benchmark like you always it's like there was a study that came out that 47% of Americans could not come up with $400 if they needed to if they suddenly got an unexpected bill right almost half of Americans in other words are right on the brink of the poverty line but in terms of just being able to come up with cash but how do we get into get ourselves into that scenario we we fail to recognize how prosperous we are I mean if most of the people who are listening to this podcast are in the top 5% of income earners globally more than

92:50that and a lot of them will be in the top 1% you know the top 1% s only 34 Grand a year of global global incomes is it yeah okay so there you go uh and even even within the United States I mean the top 5% is is is surprisingly low it's like 50 Grand or something right I think it's more than that but I think it's like 60 I thought it was over either way 100 either way we are incredibly blessed and amazingly fortunate and it's so hard to snap ourselves out of our complacency and realize things actually are surprisingly convenient and easy for us yeah I mean should stop whining overall but if you're one of those people that can't come up with that 400 bucks and the $400 bill comes it seems daunting it seems and I'm not blaming blaming people for it I've been in I've had times in my life where I've been below you know well well underwater sure we all have but I think that's also

93:45probably one of the reasons why you became ambitious and why you worked hard and why you're in a position right now where you don't have to worry about that because you worked your way through it and you figured your way through through adversity you know I'm this an interesting subject because um I had uh Eddie Wong in really recently and he brought up something that I thought was Preposterous he brought up the idea of um what are they calling it basic income yeah where you give people $35,000 a year to live and I was like get the out of here but then I started looking into it and when I started looking into it one of the things that I was intrigued by was like okay how much of crime and how much of people's aberant Behavior could be you you could write it off to them being desperate and needy and poor and feeling hopeless and how much of that crime would not take place

94:36if they got $35,000 a year and if these are people that are just going to off anyway but this way they're going to off but they won't be committing crime because they're going to have a steady income for the rest of their life is that feasible like how much money is there out there could you give everybody in America of $35,000 a year up to a certain number right I think once you hit a cut off like you hit like I would say like4 million a year you don't get the $ 35 Grand anymore you got plent money dude but here's the here's the thing the the the great utility of a basic income is that you don't have to fill out forms and prove that you deserve it that everybody gets itz so it's super super simple where's it coming from well yes you can't start with $335,000 a year but you can um I've heard proposals look Alaska has this already they just call it an oil uh

95:22Revenue right everyone in Alaska gets a check from the government uh which is a cut of Alaska's oil Revenue they basically get a universal basic income it's not nearly enough to live on it's might be a ,000 a year or something I'll be corrected on on this but there are all kinds of experiments I had um Felix salmon on my podcast who's at who's over at slate I don't know if you know him he's a he's a money a big very interesting money guy he has a podcast called the money the Slate money podcast and he's a big advocate of this idea and there's a place want to talk to him then yeah you should you should get him on he's great he's based out in New York but he's Felix salmon like the fish um I'll I'll send you his his I'll text you his his details after after the show um I'm making a note to myself right now uh and uh he was basically saying there's a place in like there's a a jurisdiction

96:08in I think Finland or Sweden which is actually trying this out just to test the proposition of like how much less will people actually work if everyone gets a basic income how much of a deterrent will it be from bothering to get a job how much will it cost well $5,000 a year would be a big would be a lot of money well 35,000 time 300 million uh the here's the thing you would start you are a lot of savings right so the weird thing about this idea is that Libertarians like it as well as progressives because for Libertarians this is a way of getting rid of Social Security getting rid of Medicare getting rid of food stamps getting rid of all of these different programs and streamlining everything I mean think of how hard it is to do your taxes and to like to fill in the forms and to figure out what you're supposed to get this would just be a check from the government everybody gets it no

96:59questions asked you go out and you buy what you need to buy now with Healthcare as expensive is as it is in the United States that's not going to work for old people they're not going to be able to pay for healthare and health insurance and also Social Security and also survive on $35,000 a year but if you but just thinking in terms of the budget if you got rid of those massive line items in the budget Medicare and Social Security and so on then you would be able to start to think about affording things like that so you might start with just $10,000 a year for everybody and work your way up from there and just test it I think a St I think one of the states should start to do it on a on a more aggressive level just like Colorado is going to be playing around with universal uh Healthcare at the November election cuz of weed baby it's all that weed money come on son I love it I think it's

97:46interesting idea imagine if Colorado decided to do that started decided to give every state resident $335,000 a year the problem would be everybody mov there right yeah but but I think this is a possible solution to the rise of robots in that's not as crazy that's not as crazy as it sounds it sounds so ridiculous though doesn't it sounds like I've just been smoking weed the entire entire you're um I I think that there are going to be fewer and fewer like jobs for individual human beings as robots get better and better at making yeah I think everybody believes that and also that they're going to be cheaper and cheaper to get robots yeah and so what happens when you've got uh you know Silicon Valley and Hollywood pumping out huge amounts of stuff which which give us a massive GDP a larger GDP where growth is still happening but it takes fewer and fewer people I mean Uber is a

98:44transportation company that doesn't employ anybody Facebook doesn't employ very many people but Uber is being challenged on that that gets really problematic when you deal with the actual labor law but that's one particular scenario I think one thing that's happing that's interesting is that people are gravitating more towards craftsmanship and crafts and people are gravitating towards handmade things and they're gravitating towards things that actually have like if somebody like if I go to a store and I buy a knife okay I buy a kitchen knife um you know it's nice it cuts my vegetables but if I know a guy who's a blacksmith and he actually makes a knife and he and he does all this craftsmanship and puts together the handle and that to me is like there's a feeling that you get from this object when you're using it like this is someone's craftsmanship this is

99:33someone's creation someone learned a trade they learned the art form of making a a functional piece of kitchen wear and I'm using it here but speaking of the 47% of people who can't come up with $400 I mean you you can afford to care about such things but the majority of people are just going to buy a pack of steak knives for $14.99 at Walmart right that's true but that's also the case with everything with clothes and with all sorts of different things but for the person themselves someone who learns a trade and someone who learns a craft someone who learns how to make furniture I hope we go more that way and become less of a disposable just China fueled like commodity consuming country and become more about the quality of Stu in some ways I think we are for people who can afford it but I think it's becoming for the people that are looking for something to do like that has

100:22meaning and their life there's like extreme meaning and hand-produced things like when you buy something from someone like a a piece of office furniture and you know this guy made it like someone made my friend Eric made this table yeah nice table we we hired him to do it yeah not only that look at the welding and all the different to it I mean this guy did an awesome job in in creating this and there's there's like something to someone making something where you're always going to remember where it came from yeah even if it's a cutting board somebody puts together a nice hardwood cutting board you know like you like oh this is a guy made this well maybe and then in terms of the question of whether or not people can afford to buy such things maybe the universal basic income means that we don't necessarily have to all be buying those things because the people who make

101:13them are going to be getting the universal income this is the theory which is that the if the overall pie is bigger every year then you just have to figure out how to allocate the how to tax that pie maybe that means that you have to have super huge taxes on Silicon Valley in some way in order to fund the universal basic income but if there aren't enough people being employed to to fund what the government needs to do on the basis of a conventional income tax but there's more stuff being produced going around there's more wealth you should still be able to extract that wealth somehow and maybe people can more people can if if everyone got a universal basic income people can become a poet or an artisanal knife maker or a table maker and they don't need to necessarily be able to sustain their living doing that there are more opportunities for Creative output who knows what's interesting to

102:00me is that it might relax people I think one certainly yeah I mean imagine not having to worry about where the next meal comes from well that's where it started re ringing true to me like I was making fun of Eddie talking about it but then I thought about it for quite a while afterwards and and then I started reading some things on it that sort of reinforced these new ideas that I was starting to play around with and one of the things that I was thinking is how much of what people do that's up they're doing out of desperation or out of frustration and how much could that be eliminated and how much would that change society and are ambitious people just I mean you're not talking about anything where you could go Balling on 35 Grand a year or 12 Grand a year whatever you whatever you give them 12 Grand a year let's say that you're barely going to live off that but you

102:48have enough money for food you have enough money for food hopefully you got enough money for rent if you get some part-time jobs here or there hopefully you could survive but you're less desperate and more dependent upon Society you're more dependent upon the rules of society well I mean to see what countries look like when that sort of thing happens even though it's not a Perfect Analogy just look at the countries of Northern Europe or even you were talking about Melbourne you know a country like Australia where it's by no means perfect there are still poor people but gee the levels of poverty are a lot less than they are here and the number of people in grinding AB object absolute poverty is almost non-existent when comparison to the way that you see it here in the States because we have social we have social safety nets that are just much more robust but you only

103:31have 20 million people but yeah but so what I never buy that argument everything is scalable Joe I mean the fact that we yeah cuz we only have 20 million people but we also have a proportionately fewer number of taxpayers you have you have tons more people and tons more taxpayers like look at Germany Germany's you know a big country that's they've got 80 million people and they managed to have very very few people B basically know people in abject poverty that might be a bad example because they're a mess right now like you know what Germany's a mess with the immigration issue they're immigration is separate but their economy is not a mess yeah but they're socially a mess it's well I mean that's cuz of Syria well yeah well this is that whole thing is so bizarre where the mayor of Munich was telling girls to keep to themselves and not look at anybody and it's crazy I'm not

104:16advocating that America should invite uh you know 10 million uh un uncen undocumented insane but you could certainly you could certainly imagine a system in which it was a lot easier for people to where you didn't just didn't have entrenched levels of of grinding poverty I just wonder what the cost would be and what is there a mathematical equation that could be worked out where that makes sense I wonder you know I'm not smart enough do the math ask Felix Felix will know who's Felix felixon the English guy who does I thought it was like Siri I'm like what are you using a Windows phone you ask Felix it sounds like that sounds like ask Jes or something also Felix has a really Posh English accent so he sounds like the kind of person who you who you would expect to voice one of those things do you remember ask geves was everybody used to go to that before Google was

105:06around I know go right to ask GES I know I mean I never really used it maybe I was maybe I'm too young or something was it what you do you typed in ask jes.com I don't remember did you have to phrase things as a question sounds stupid now don't it I don't remember I don't I'm sure I asked Jes if few things I just don't remember what they were now that I'm thinking about it Jes show me boobs I don't think it's that easy show me a guy getting raped by a horse what's this it's ask.com now you just ask a question and it would tell you the answer where's the tallest waterfall in okay ask this how much would it cost to give all Americans I love saying ,000 a year that okay bam.com is not going to help you with that hey you don't up it would cost 3 trillion to give everyone 10 10,000 a year multiply that times the extra 2.5 and it's like Jesus Christ quadrillion God damn that's a lot yeah

106:05that makes sense three more than three trillion to get to give him 10 grand uh okay so it would be 9 trillion plus to give everybody 30 yeah but you wouldn't give everybody because everybody who makes over a certain amount should have to work it out but people are so gross they would just stay under $250,000 I made $249.99 give my money you know because if you if you went over $1 you would you would have to no but if if you were going to start means testing it then you it' have to be a sliding scale so that you didn't encounter that problem right so if you hit it 250 then you only get 30 if you hit 260 you only get 25 but then it becomes complicated and that that negates a lot of the benefit what you're talking about what you really want is just a way for desperately poor people to not be desperately poor and there are simpler ways than giving everybody a universal

106:54basic income there are simpler ways but I think um the real look the real important thing is figuring out a way to stop children from growing up in desperation yeah to stop children from growing up in an environment like uh I had this guy on Michael Wood I got to get back to him this week because we're working on a new date but he was a a Baltimore police officer and he talked in great detail about real institutional racism in Baltimore where they you know they had literally areas where you couldn't sell black people homes and this had been established like in the 1960s and because of that those areas are still those areas like they're they're still to this day he found something from the 1970s the uh the police officers in his district did where it was like a a mandate like what they were supposed to do and where the crime was and he's like it was exactly the same places exactly

107:52the same crimes as they were dealing with in the 2000s he's like how futile and crazy is this that you're dealing with this pattern that never gets fixed never gets corrected and just they just cops keep arresting the same people in the same areas for the same problems and it's like whoa you know they've done studies about what the most effective way to uh to help poor people is cuz often times people on the left will be will be in favor of food stamps or like uh you know better public schools and so on all of those things are great but a lot of recent research suggests that just giving people money is more effective than trying to figure out all of these tweaks cuz we don't like giving poor people money cuz we think well they're just going to spend it on drugs or they're going to spend it on booze or something like that can't bu cigarettes or food stamps yeah but it

108:37turns out and this applies whether you're talking about desperately poor people in Africa or desperately poor people in downtown Baltimore if you just give them money most people use it to good ends the the the thing they really want the most is to eat and be able to pay their bills and to get out of the situation they're in a minority of people will spend will blow it on booze and cigarettes but they are a small minority people know what their needs are more better than we know what their needs are there's this paternalistic idea that we always have like we have to figure out how to get people out of poverty people know how to get themselves out of poverty if they just had the resources to do so so just give them a bit of money yeah and it's also this absolute realization that this is not a Level Playing Field that someone born in the slums of Englewood is not

109:22the same as someone who born in Beverly Hills so crazy about Libertarians when it's when they go on about how how everyone should be free yeah of course everyone should be free I am as libertarian as you can get but within within the understanding that it's crazy to say that people are equally that the person in Beverly who's born in Beverly Hills to a white middle class upper class family is only as free as the baby born in the slums of Baltimore this is crazy of course you should use the the I think the power of the state to be able to level the playing field a little bit just to skim a little bit off the Beverly Hills family and give a little bit to the Baltimore family I don't see what's so tyrannical about that well yeah because you're not coming from an even start point right so and and there's also this notion that as a country we we're only as strong as the weakest link right so

110:14if we created a system where we had less people in Des desperation less people in despair less less losers we would be more winners we would get our together we would we would produce more we would be more effective I wonder I mean I just wonder what the actual numbers are because like how much money is being spent every year on things that we don't need how much how much money from our taxes goes to bureaucracy and and this really distorted representative government that most people don't agree with how much of that how much of it is just cronyism and handing money back and forth between each other I'll tell you what we don't spend a lot of money on we don't spend a lot of money on bureaucracy and waste in like people people who want to cut government spending will often say like you know the first thing I'm going to do when I get into when I get to Congress

111:03is I'm going to not repaint you know my congressional office or something or I'm going to you know I'm I'm going to throw out the fancy stuff and I'm going to get an old couch like these this is not what we're spending our money on right what we're spending our money on is the military and Medicare and and Social Security basically so reain and health care costs and stop and cut the military and you would and that's where the big the big me you say cut the military then what happen son let me tell you something Freedom ain't free they're going to come over here and take our jobs and kick our women into the curb or something I've been I've been having a Twitter argument with a person who's been saying that uh that the reason why America's roads are so bad is because we spend too much on foreign aid that's me do I'm sorry I'm trolling You when I don't even believe it I just say it

111:48because I know you get excited exited anded up Britain spends three or four times more per capita on foreign aid Sweden spends six times more per capita have you seen the roads in Sweden they're really quite nice better than the yeah we have more roads don't we of course but again you also have more people you have more taxpayers to pay for them just looking at overall numbers we spend more money because we have more roads yeah and you spend more money on forign eight as well but there are more of you to share it I'm going troll you on Twitter tonight I'm going to get on I'm going to be an egg with an opinion here's here's something here's a here's a reform which you could support which would really help you figure out where you where the money goes okay when you get your tax bill at the end of the year your tax statement from the IRS they could as they do in Australia and a

112:29bunch of other countries have a little bar graph a colorful little graph with lines showing how much you've spent on everything so in Australia if you if you paid $18,000 in tax that year then there's a little be a little purple line on the graph which says you know you spent $478 to6 cents on Medicare spent this much on security spent this much on foreign aid and then you can actually see it there great there's a proposal uh in front of Congress which some Democrats are pushing to bring this in here and also to streamline um the way that you do your taxes because in a lot of other countries apart from the States you don't have to go through the rigar Ral of filling out all of your taxes the government cuz when when you do a job and you get a you have to like Supply the IRS with with a 1099 or a W2 at the end of the year remember that the person who gave you the 1099 or the W2 also

113:19sent a copy to the IRS the IRS already has it they could just fill it out themselves instead they make you do it and it's difficult and cumbersome but in a lot of other countries like the UK and Australia they you have the option of just signing off on it and saying yeah okay this looks good you you can just do my taxes for me and the and the proposals to make to simplify doing your taxes are being pushed by democrats and I find it wildly ironic that the people who oppose these policies uh Republicans and Grover norquist the anti-tax Crusader who you would think would want to make make it easier but it's in their interest to make taxes as difficult to do and as difficult to understand as possible because they want you to continue hating taxes as much as possible also the republ the military industrial complex that the Republicans essentially work for don't want you to

114:08know how much we spend on the Pentagon so they don't they oppose this bar graph idea because they know that the biggest line item would be this massive thing and you'd be like do we really need to be spending that much on the military or is this really a jobs program where we're building nuclear submarines that the Pentagon doesn't want in important districts in Del Delaware just so that the the we we can keep some some jobs there in a factory that's producing Munitions that it doesn't that it no longer needs to be well I think one of the good things about someone proposing something like that is you get to look at who's opposing it and when someone's proposing something that makes sense and it makes unless there's some sort of exorbitant fee that's involved in giving people a detailed rundown of where their money goes then you would say well someone's against transparency and now

114:51if you're against transparency against Freedom you you're against America yeah play the music Jimmy a Man the free home of the brave godamn it I want to know where my taxes go yes if you're anti-tax then you should be Pro transparency in tax right I found out my taxes all went to welfare cigarettes that's where they didn't go booze booze pimps for the kids yeah yeah man we should we should spend more on I just wonder what the number would be like what would to do the universal basic income yeah I wonder what what would the number would be and what would be a just try toed up I'll tell you if I got a rant coming on I'll tell you if I got a rant coming on Jamie right now I'm not feeling that American even better when I do a rant in my Australian accent and you play the US national anthem behind it it sounds really weird it's this cognitive dissonance mate play it Jamie play the

115:41the anthem uh let's just get a little bit of uh bit of patriotism going here mate I want to tell you a thing or two about about the United States but talking your real accent don't don't overdo it can't fake it all right okay what Jam okay this country a nation of Brave courageous men and women who fought for years nay centuries okay hold on stop what about non-binary sexual people're not men or women you're being being transphobic aren't I yes you're very transphobic you know I said on my podcast the other day that people who vote for Hillary because they voted because they because she's a woman only voting for her cuz she's got a vagina and someone on Twitter said that that was trans because there are women who don't have vaginas yeah I disagree yeah there's an X and A Y chromosome there's a lot of genetics you might identify with being a woman if you

116:31got a dick though we have a real problem look I'm happy to call them women if they want to be called women I really don't have a problem with it but don't don't call me TR it's not transphobic for me to make a generalization that most women have vaginas um I saw an opening to call you transphobic and I jumped on it because it's there so I sank your battleship I got D12 I saw it they playing games are playing games you don't have to have a vagina to be a woman you how about you Jesus Christ what do you think about this North Carolina law though about this is this is different the bathroom thing I'm so conflicted about this because I Al I also got into trouble on my podcast was talking about this so I think it's obviously a silly beat up and I think that trans people have been and will continue to use bathrooms uh and we shouldn't worry about it and I don't

117:19think that people should be passing laws against it but I also think it's disingenuous of protrans people and I regard myself as broadly protrans just in the same sense that I'm broadly Pro hey whatever floats your boat just live the life that you want to live whoever you are as do I um I do think it's disingenuous when they start saying that people who have the outward appearance of the gender that's on their birth certificate should be able to use the opposite uh restroom and that nobody should have a problem with that because they declare themselves to be trans so I'm talking for example about there was I saw a Facebook um argument about this where a friend of a friend of mine on Facebook is a trans woman who was assigned male at Birth and has no intention of transitioning at all right so she has a beard she's a fat guy with a beard who plays guitar and that's what

118:14all of her photos are and she doesn't want to have her dick cut off and she doesn't want to grow breasts and she doesn't want to lose her beard and and she's arguing that it's transphobic to say that she shouldn't be able to use the women's restroom and other people were saying you can understand how like a parent might be concerned if their daughter went into the girl's restroom and then what appears to be a large bearded fat man walks in after her you know that is not necessarily transphobic and then all of a sudden she's like how dare you say that there has not been a single instance of a trans person abusing this is just like the gay fear back in the 1970s you're claiming that trans people are more likely to be pedophiles and blah blah blah no that should have the music over that was a good rant no we're not saying that we're just saying how do you expect us to know the

119:04difference between you a trans woman who looks like a man and just a man well you're being reasonable and that's the problem this is not a reasonable discussion and here's what's really ironic what we really should be concerned with is not the trans people what we should really be concerned with is heterosexual people pretending to be trans people heterosexual people who are in fact sexual predators who all they have to do to be they don't even have to pretend to be trans I mean all they would do well I see what you mean like all they would have to do is to wear a dress and go to the woman's room and say they're trans and they could do whatever the they want once they're in there that's the real issue it's not the actual trans people right it's people that are using this very ambiguous law there I mean this is a very ambiguous distinction if someone identifies with

119:49the opposite sex without having any outward appearance of being that opposite sex all a guy would have to do is say I'm trans and you can go into a female restroom I think the most likely it's not going to happen yeah I don't think you have to recognize it's it's a possibility but again it comes back to the our conversation about rape or about Islam or about about like black lives matter or whatever this is a new we're trying to have a nuanced conversation and it's impossible to have because all you're allowed to be is either protrans or you're a religious Evangelical bigot right you're not allowed there's no there's no middle ground we have to hunker down Joe into our little trenches just and have a war of attrition where I'm on one side and you're on the other side and the last man stands it's like World War I we're doing passionale all over again just firing at

120:32each other on Twitter you're not allowed to have a nuanced perspective don't you think this is a direct result of the Bush Administration though like we were talking about I really do think that that's what it is I think everybody was so scared and conservativism was at such a a high point that the rebound from that the rebound from all the anti-gay hysterica I mean that Administration was ripe with homophobia ripe with all sorts of different types of discrimination it was a weird I think I think that absolves the left too much and I think it also fails to recognize the changes that social media have wrought I don't think this would be as bad yeah 24-hour media social media like Steven fry quit Twitter in February he was one of the first adopters and he was like it used to be this like this this Lake in the forest where you could run and jump and play and now it's a fitted swamp with

121:24everyone pissing in the pool I'm a Steven fry fan but I got to say I think he went out like a he should have hung in there yeah come on that small group of people can chase you out of one of the most easily used forms of free expression the world has ever known like all it takes is him making a joke about a dress yeah and people on him for making a jokes about what what what why would you even care about the opinion of people who get upset at you for making fun of a dress in his blog where was talking about quitting Twitter he did Begin by saying like this is not a big deal I don't know if this is forever I'm not doing this as a stand I just feel so much more liberated not going there because you're right he is at the Pinnacle of his industry he was hosting the bloody bafs I mean that's like hosting the Academy Awards in the UK so he should be big enough to to have

122:11people sniping at him if you're hosting the Academy Awards and he's a sniper yeah that's what he does his whole thing is mocking people his whole thing is mocking people who say they're offended so he's getting offended by people mocking him for being offended I'm not sure he's offended I think he just doesn't want to play that game okay what is that word then what word are we looking for upset bored no upset just bored and exhausted I don't believe you write a whole blog cuz you're bored I think you write a blog CU you're upset he was angry he was visibly angry or at least appeared to be through his tweets and his reactions to people being upset with him about making fun of that dress I mean I just think think it's hard sometimes who who knows what was going on in his life when that was going on he made that decision as well it could have been like a down point in him in his

123:01life em might realized think it might be an up point cuz I think he just got married or he's getting married he's you know he's dating this guy who's like 50 years younger than him or something so he's getting a lot of ass lot of dick and he's prob and he's probably having a great time he's like I don't need this anymore they can go and off I got no time for 140 characters exactly but then why does he have time to write about it then I step away why why it's like when some people would notice it and then they'd be like oh why where Steven fry why isn't he responding to things it's easier just to say hey here I am I'm G I w't be here for a while yeah but what why why even if you if you don't care and you're going to leave why even make an announcement it's like if someone said to you you know hey man I just thought the the jokes you made about rape and the Jo Rogan podcast

123:41were totally uncalled for unfollowed unfollowed let's do the unfollowed Dance I'm unfollowing I got him you see what I wrote I'm I'm I'm pretty sure I read it I wish the audio podcast listeners could see The Joe Rogan dance that just happened kind of like halfway between a Down syndrome child and a rooster I unfollowed you I win oh dear they just like put that behind the national anth but it's that thing that they do they just want to get your and what how many people are we talking about I mean one or two or three or even 100 people got mad at him no no no I mean I I take your point sure maybe it's a move but it's his life he doesn't have to be on Twitter if he don't want to be on Twitter but the problem is he's so great it upsets me that he would have that that reaction to by the way I read the things that people wrote to him it wasn't really that big

124:33of a deal he made fun of a woman's dress and said it look like a garbage bag and she like friends it's one of his friends funny it's kind of funny but of course people are going to react here here's what here's what he wrote he said uh let us grieve what Twitter has become a stalking ground for the sanctimoniously self-righteous who love to second guest to LEAP to conclusions and be offended worse to be offended on behalf of others they don't even know and then he says it doesn't matter whether they're defending women men transgender people Muslims humanists the ghastliness is absolutely the same okay what's a pram uh what stroller oh out of a pram as I go I thought it was like a boat a pram that's my that's what we in the British call call a St Jamie Google the word pram why do I think that pram was a type of boat I don't know PR you got a bunch of uh what the how to reset your computer

125:28look at that it's a stroller mhm I just told you that three times Joe do you not trust me how do you not trust me but I wanted him to Google boat Google pram boat cuz why I think oh yeah it says boat that's one yeah it is a boat oh it's type of boat is it a is it a uh is it a brand of boat yeah it's okay PR boat small utility dingy with a transom bow rather than a pointed bow don't make fun of me bro I got knowledge deep knowledge about shitty boats small utility dingies that's what I I knew it dog like why is he throwing his ideas out of a small utility D but what he said was eloquent I mean he's he's dead on about the sanctimonia he's dead on about recreational outrage and also he lives in a country remember where you can actually be be prosecuted for saying things that people find offensive like in the UK did you did you hear about the mey mouthed tweet this

126:22guy so after the Brussels attack there was a guy just a regular dude who tweeted um I confronted a Muslim woman yesterday I asked her to explain Brussels she said nothing to do with me a mey mouthed reply that caused a media storm because they were like well there were lots of like funny uh reactions to that where people were like you know I asked an I met an Irish person and asked him to explain the IRA he said nothing to do with me a mely m you know I asked a dog why I was bitten by a dog when I was he said wolf M mouth reply but this guy was arrested he was arrested on suspicion of inciting racial hatred wow and in the UK that's what can happen like in the UK simply saying that like Islam is a problem and or Islam is stupid can get you potentially arrested wow under blasphemy laws look at this he subsequently expressed concerns for his health and was taken to a nearby

127:22hospital he's probably having a heart attack Doyle's tweet which has since been deleted read I confronted a was okay mil mouth reply wow that is crazy he did then tweet a few offensive things he was like uh in response to people getting angry with him he was like oh so I offended a tow head big deal so you know he's not maybe the nicest guy in the world but when you come when you live in a country yeah when you live in a country with a First Amendment it's pretty crazy that a person can say something can tweet something like that and then get arrested so well Canada's got some issues too has issues with comedians yep there was one comedian um in Montreal that made a joke about um some kid that was dying and uh he the kid survived and all these people had uh donated money apparently so he made some joke about you know how the is his kid still alive something along those lines and um

128:16he just trying to be funny and he's been fighting it in court and you know they're trying to put him in jail and there's the other kid in Vancouver the guy who's on stage and some women were heckling and uh he said something about them being ugly lesbians and some mean to them he got sued uh lost I mean they're heckling at a comedy club and you know what he said whether it was skillful or not whether it was I mean you're this is not like someone just yelling something to someone out randomly this is someone trying to handle a Heckler ad libing in a comedy club with a bunch of drunk people and these hecklers who had been up the show up until the time he got there so he's trying to wreck them and make them feel bad they sued him and won unbelievable slurs first com forced comic to pay $155,000 for a tiate of ugly words against lesbian Patron after appeals Falls flat like what he has to

129:10pay $115,000 for a comedy show because he insulted somebody yeah yeah I got to tell you I haven't seen anything that bad in Australia but it is also bad in Australia terms of like what frustrates me the most is that people from certain ethnic groups or religions are claiming that you can be you can blaspheme you can what do you call it when you defame that right you can defame like a religion or an ethnicity hold on look at that Jamie scientists say they've developed a second skin you can wear for more than a day to look younger what what the dude you're going to go out with some old lady or old man whatever and you're going to think I found the perfect guy wow he's got beautiful skin smells like an old guy but I don't know the idea sounds like fantasy and invisible film that can be painted on your skin and give it the elasticity of Youth bags under the eyes vanish in

130:05seconds wrinkles disappear and this is from the National Post which is an actual Canadian publication this isn't 17 people have tried it under eye bags no reported irritation or reactions wa under eye bags are just a start you can soak the film with sunscreen and protect yourself without worrying about sweat or water washing it away the researchers say the expected can be used to treat eczema psoriasis and other skin conditions by covering dry itchy patches with a film that moisturizes and soothes whoa I'm going to get me some of that but you know that's one of those weird things where I would have never even thought that someone would come up with this idea it's clever though right it's amazing they developed a two-step process a polymer a clear liquid is applied it its chains are not very strong though so the next step is a applying a product that links them together by modifying the

130:54chemistry of the chains the researchers can alter the properties of the Second Skin depending on how it will be used making it more or less permeable for example a more permeable Second Skin might be used for under eye bags where a less permeable one might hold a medication in place it can be removed with a solution that dissolves the polymer whoa we're plastic people I love it Jesus Christ wow as if the Kardashians weren't plastic enough they going to have plastic faces the old lady's going to look 20 Again by the time I need to get BOTOX or any kind of facial surgery I'm not going to need it anymore there you go going to be able to spray some polymer on my face that's what I like about you you make lemonade exactly you see something you go there's a positive on this having plastic people I wonder if they feel like rubbers though like you know like you

131:40touch people like it feels good like skin touching skin I wonder if all of a sudden it's like touching of rubber well especially if you're wearing it right if you're the one like if someone caresses your your cheek does it just feel like why don't worry about what they feel like because your hands I'm assuming won't be covered by the you wouldn't cover the unless really vain unless you're like my fingertips give away my age I don't like when I take baths and my skin prunes so can you do something about that I want to run a really hot bath and then spray some polymer on my fingertips what the man that's great we're going to cover ourselves with rubber we're going to seal I mean the fact that we've got enough money to be thinking about this like coming back to the the question about like poaching elephant in Africa or me going to the Mumbai slum like what the is the world on about

132:25when you talk about the inequality between Beverly Hills and Baltimore what about the inequality between people who are inventing polymers so that we can spray them on our our eye bags so that we look a little bit less old at the same time as there are people living on a penny a day in Mumbai yeah nutty like if you were an alien and came down to the Earth right now you'd be like what are these guys doing they got plenty to go around they got tons of that's a super good point and there's something that I was reading about today about a type of polymer that they've used on um God what was it on it was on certain here let me find the history here it was on certain um certain types of uh it's like a plastic that could spray on things and when they spray the on things it um it actually uh you could you could throw like cinder blocks off of buildings and because of it wait and the cinder

133:20block is okay or what yeah yeah yeah the cinder block stays together it's Madness man it's really weird let me guess the military developed it um sounds like something like that right probably let me find this stuff because it's some that they spray on things and uh they're using it on certain automobiles uh it's like hold on let me find it real quick it's um in the meantime you can open your podcast app and uh subscribe to We the People live go # We the People all one word live and you can get more delightful conversations with the likes of myself it's called LX Jamie go Google Linx polymer coding cuz this stuff they put it on um on plates and they threw it off of buildings like look they threw this this is on the History Channel they threw these cinder blocks off of a off of a building and then they cover the cinder block with this paint and then they throw the same cinder block same

134:17size cinder block off a building that's covered in this particular Ive coating and watch what happens it just bounces now they did it with eggs man they did it with plates they did it with eggs and then on top of that they did it with plastic cups where they had a sumo wrestler stand on plastic cups like look at the egg so they're spraying the egg and by the way this is like less than a quar inch coating that they put on these eggs boom bounces off the ground wow this is crazy but look at the the cups is the really weird stuff they took this gigantic sumo wrestler and they had him stand on these plastic cups of course he crushes them then they take the same kind of cup and they cover it with this line go Way Way Back wa wait for there's a sumo wrestler dude you you can see easily obviously a little sippy cup it's a red like a red cup from a you know like a frat party or

135:10something go way further ahead Jamie cuz he crushes these but go way fur now watch no look at this yeah he's standing on two red like beer cups yeah and they're not much big look they're not much bigger no it's not like they became super thick because of this stuff so this must just what does it do I guess it just disperses the energy of the I don't know of the fall all across the the product I don't know man it's some super polymer I mean what would you use it for you just use it to make everything strong I guess yeah I guess or cover your whole body with bro become Iron Man yeah become like The Thing from Fantastic 4 you know yeah put a little bit of a put the old put the anti-aging polymer on first then put this on jump off a building and bounce dude that's what I'm talk about just run right through walls you reckon we're ever going to do that I think in a hundred years from now

136:02Science and Technology will have achieved results that are unfathomable I think we are just in the infancy I mean go back to 1916 people lived like cave people they were barely human they were monkeys and think about what what we're experiencing now in 20 16 now imagine what 20116 is going to be like well also think about think about if we can ever do like what Ray kwell wants us to do and be able to unite like artificial intelligence with our our intelligence I think it's inevitable if that happens then that's going to be a bigger Game Changer than all of the physiological things that we've been able to do in in terms of the evolution since the Industrial Revolution it's going to be like an information revolution and we're going to become Cosmic gods in some sort of a weird way I think it's inevitable because I just think as long as we don't blow ourselves

136:52up or get hit by a meteor or a super volcano wipes out the planet I think it's inevitable we're going to continue not we not you and I we're not going to do we're just going to be talking speak for yourself I going be the first one we're just going to be talking but there's going to be other people out there that are really smart and they're going to come together with some other really smart people and they're going to figure out some amazing things and we're just watching it that's fake skin when we when people wonder about why we haven't found extraterrestrial civiliz yet and we haven't heard their radio waves I'm so hopeful that the reason is that like we just evolve out of that we've only had them for less than 100 years right we Haven have been pumping them out for 100 years maybe uh maybe we're just about to find something else and we'll realize that the universe is

137:36actually teaming with all these conversations between different civilizations that we are just completely oblivious to and they don't care about reaching out to us cuz we're just little ants on a on a little rock floating around a a star on an outer spiral arm of an insignificant Galaxy called Milky Way and they're like some some these guys will grow up and they'll join the conversation when they're ready it's probably exactly what's going on or it gets to the point where it's no longer necessary because intelligence and artificial intelligence become exactly the same thing we create a different kind of life with technology and our Pursuit like this this IBM machine that's beating people in that go game and you know killing chess Champions at their preferred game that one day they're going to it's going to re some sort of a state where we have to accept it as a life form yep

138:25and it has rights because it has a conception of itself can it go in any bathroom at once how's that work two two computers walk into a bathroom uh I was talking to someone who was who was saying that uh when we can grow artificial meat cuz they're working on artificial meat in a lab uh then will it be the case that the only ethical meat to eat uh that isn't artificial would be human meat because we the only people capable of giving informed consent to have ourselves be eaten so maybe be ourselves it would be uh maybe we could take all these fat people and we could like suck body meat off of them they'd be like I really wish I was thinner and you go to a place and with no scars they remove your body this polymer that I can spray on you which just extracts some of your your fat and your calories and puts it into a smoothie for me yeah just sell it as protein bars you mentioned the Go game

139:16the computer that that beats people at go the thing that I find find really fascinating about about that is the computer that beats people at chess is basically just a brute number cruncher right so deep blowing deep blue one whatever was it Casper of um what that basically does is just looks at all of the different possible outcomes that you might be about to play and then rapidly calculates the probability that any particular move is going to yield a good result right we can all imagine how that how that functions it's basically just lots and lots of numbers but go is so complicated there are so many different options at any particular point in the game that no computer can even remotely and probably ever will be able to calculate the the game itself the way that the chess computer does there there are more options I think in a game of Go than there are like atoms in the

140:05universe it's some crazy stat like that so what the go I know that game it's the power of it's It's exponential right so like if there's if there are two options and then those two options each lead to another two options which each lead to another two options which each lead to another two options very quickly you get up to numbers that are you know it's like those thought experiments of how many times would you have to fold a piece of paper for it to reach the moon and it's only like 30 or 40 times or something ridiculous like that cuz it's doubling all the time can you look that up Jamie how many times do you need to fold a piece of paper for it to reach to the moon but anyway so the point about the go computer is it doesn't crunch numbers it learns from other Go Games so they load into it all of the Go game like thousands or millions of games that have happened and

140:56it then looks at all of those games and tries to find patterns between the way the the the particular moves that humans have done in past games and then uses its own intuition to run billions of possible games in its own head and it gradually learns from its own mistakes so it's not just a computer it's not just like a gigantic calculator like the chess computer is it is a form of artificial intelligence in that it is making calculations I mean obviously it doesn't know anything we don't think but it but for me it's really super exciting because I do think that it's really interesting to ask the the touring test question of like when is a computer actually self-aware and this is the beginning glimmers of that I think within our lifetime there will be computers that it's just meaningless to say they're not self-aware because they claim to be self-aware they they behave

141:46as if they're self-aware they tell us that they feel pain they tell us that they have an interest in their own continued existence in a way that's so authentic and that learns that to say that they're not self-aware but like a chimp is would be meaningless do you think that they're going to start by just trolling people on Twitter with like fake intelligence like imagine if this guy that you're arguing with on Twitter he turns out to not be a person and they just realize what what rils people up what spins their gears and they just start sending these troll Twitter things out and they just start having debates with people like literally having debates and bring breaking people down and then being passive aggressive being shitty you know being uh inquisitive like they try a bunch of different approaches and they treat it the same way they treat go games they just learn Behavior patterns

142:34they would be the worst people in the world if they learned their behavior patterns off the way that we communicate on social media you'd just be creating a monster well it makes you wonder I mean if go games are that complicated yet they're able to master that what what about human personality do do we kid ourselves and that we're so complex and amazing that nothing could copy us I mean what if some computer figures out a way to bypass personality like personality is overrated we figured out a way to make the perfect personality this is the formula run with it everyone's going to love you what was did you see that movie about um uh ex marer see that amazing you know that's kind of the conceit of that right the sort of the billionaire kind of leader the Mark Zuckerberg type in that the way that he builds the artificial intelligence is by hoovering up all of

143:22all of your social media information from his kind of Facebook style thing and I think you're right that that could be one way of creating an artificial intelligence to collect all of the communal uh inputs that we're putting in every single day on social media 100% 100% possible learn those patterns yeah Jamie how many how many times I was just going to say there's a specific episode of that show black Mir I've been trying to tell you about that deals with this exact topic where there's a some sort of like Android created thing and they take this guy's whole social media presence and Rec that's his new being he died I don't want to ruin all of it for it's Donal right the guy from it's actually the same guy the actor that's in exmachina so it's a little bit oh that's right which guy the the millionaire guy the kid guy over yeah he's a good actor I got to get out of here man I'm

144:14sorry we're out of time this was went flew by dude always does it always does always does so much fun yeah no I love being here when you back in time uh don't know but I'll give you I'll call you holler at me do it again will my friends will'll be back tomorrow oh we the people live and Jos STS on Twitter We the People live um just to myself out yet further yeah It Up Baby right thanks um tomorrow we'd be back with uh Alex Gray uh famed Visionary artist should be a goddamn blast see then you d