Wheeler Walker Jr.: Wheeler Walker, Jr.

00:01you know what I'm are we live yeah right now we're live probably cost a shitload of money we're trying to figure like Riders on the Storm I think that would be the best way to open a podcast ever too much though right I'll talk to some people care wheeler Walker junor hey we are we on camera we're on camera with the the whole deal you look fantastic let me show some more uh I found about you through a mutual friend who uh turned me on to eating and kicking ass and I was a fan right away instantly are we on we're on this is real this is this is 100% legit yeah we love the show and we uh I'm out here uh I'm not making this up we bought tickets for this weekend CU we were going to do uh Coachella too risque they said the goal was we were going to do it and they said it's too x-ray to we can't which was to me man you're too risque for Coach I thought Coachella was all about taking

01:00ecstasy that's what I thought you know it's just I don't know maybe that's their excuse they just don't want me you know it could have been the nice way of saying we don't want let's just go over the playlist and perhaps we'll see where the hitches might be I think I may be with them redneck I don't have any problem with that that's easy that's the name of the album that's easy we're banned from Walmart by the way well that's that's a plus beer weed cooches that's fine family tree totally fine that's the dirtiest one though oh really can't you off my mind things start getting a little edgy you that's the B drop them mouth that's easy eating kicking ass my favorite fighting farting that's fun better off beating off sit on my face and then the CPE de which one of you queer is going to suck my dick hey man happens you get you you go black out and go to a head to a bar well

01:52the problem is the titles are actually way CLE than the Sal I mean I go here no here's honestly what happened so I went and my buddy uh Dave cob he's a producer there I actually met him through your buddy Sturgill actually I didn't really meet him but everyone in the there a bunch of articles that said Sturgill introduced me to him so I'm just going with it why not well I mean it's already a narrative yeah it helps but um so uh and I'd kind of been kicking around Nashville for like about 15 years or so and with no success at all I mean just and I'd been had my ass kicked my dick in the dirt as they say and then um I was like it this is going to be my last record I was like I'm going to whatever they call it drop the mic put out a really dirty ass record the record I always wanted to make and not pull any punches I was going to just pay for it myself own it

02:40myself and I had a a feeling this was going to get me banned from Nashville and then i' just leave cuz I'm broke so we made this dirty record and it's probably about as dirt and it's not wasn't even like I want to make the dirtiest country record it was just like what's happened now in Nashville cuz it's turned turned into such is um well money's happened right well what's happened is country radio is no longer country music what is it it's and I didn't know this any more than you cuz I don't listen to that dog but I um I actually heard the best explanation for it the other day Steve Earl who's a hero of mine he was on this Chris schifflet podcast I don't know if you know he he's a guitar player for f fighter has a good podcast where he interviews a lot of country musician he loves country wow and Steve Earl goes um you could see you could hear him he's kind of talking around it he

03:36goes country today you know mainstream corporate country is he goes it's rap music for people and he pauses he's like it's rap music for people and he just you keep hearing him pause like is he going to say it he goes it's rap people for it's rap music for people who are scared of black people and he's not saying as a joke but sorry listen he's absolutely 100 % right Luke Bryant do like a a duet with a rapper they all do that you know what it is it's like beats for and you know you said you know some hip-hop and sh this is Jamie's big on the hip-hop yeah you like it's Beats from but the thing is here's my thing if you were making good sound like it's Beats from the'80s really soft guy with the baseball hat singing about trucks and beers and dog like that the riv you gotta go to the river exactly yeah no it's just so I and have you ever seen that compilation what's that it's a

04:30compilation they put on all these different musicians singing the exact same thing well oh yeah yeah well i' I've heard a lot of this one compilation of country artist it's just the same song yeah that's what I'm talking about a compilation they're all talking about being by the river your tight blue jeans like there's all these like different things that they just repeat I mean it's it's disgusting really is what it is weird another thing too is I listen to NWA I listen to Public Enemy I listen to you know ghetto boy like I don't need to hear white boy rap I'll listen if I want to listen I'll listen to all kinds of music if I want to listen to rap I'll listen to rap right so I went in the studio I'm like I'm going to make some real country music and at the time I didn't know what had happened in you know I'm in Nashville but I'm in my house I don't know what the going on so I

05:17um whenever I write a song like my first instinct is just not to censor it you know why would you right and I started playing in the studio and they're like this guy motherfucker's going I mean I'm fisting chicks and going you know guys blowing each other and uncles you know eating and kicking ass had me literally like cry and laughing well that's one that's probably clean a song it's a funny song though man it's very funny we were listening to playback and I go we were listening to you which is the I was going to say the hit I've heard that one too that's a hit that's that's the hit if you can call it a hit it took me a second to realize that was also you because I saw the first one uh from uh the Ben Hoffman show yeah that dude not Fu you don't like Ben Hoffman no well he talked me into doing his uh his uh he had a show on Comedy Central as the saying goes I was sick that week so I

06:04didn't get to see it it was canceled it wasn't funny and the dude just came off like kind of like a wow strong words you guys could be brothers you look exactly Alik we look like real similar I don't think so but whatever you know each man each each to his own dude I'm half blind okay that's cool I was going to say I don't I mean we glasses now um so I did that thing and then you know I think that's where Maybe cob or you know cuz I knew steril back in Kentucky anyway the point I'm tring I'm all over the place just started getting around what was interesting to me was it it started getting around through no no like big promotion just people passing it on someone would find out about they'd send it to this guy and he would send it to his friends and that's how I got it it might have been sturg to send it to me it's very Poss because every what it Happ what happened was and kind of the

06:52main point was I was in the studio back to what we were talking about and I'm listening to playback to a you I go man this is so pretty if I made it clean you know like love you girl you know whatever I go this could get played on the radio and they look at me like I'm crazy and they go this ain't getting played on the radio I go why not they go cuz it's real country music and they don't play that on the radio anymore then I go if it's just if I can get and get banned for playing real country why not just not censor myself at all and do it x-ray so that that's what kind of convinced me just to do it my way you know so as someone who is a country music artist and is a fan of country music and talked about country music before the show started there's you got to be some hope that there guys like Shooter Jennings and Sturgill there's these new guys that are coming up that are really

07:39talented that's the only hope well I mean really what's H here's my thing and I've gotten a lot of I mean all the kind of mainstream it's not around I mean like music grow ain't happy that my Al it was Grammy week when my album came out like eight weeks ago and I out my album debuted at number nine on the billboard country country charts during outsold people who were on the gramys and I'm just that's from a few tweet and I ain't got no Twitter followers I don't even know how to use that you Facebook and you know I I signed up for Snapchat hoping to get a bunch of tit because they said that's where the tits come in Snapchat's where the tits stay off the Snapchat Jamie I've gotten 25,000 dicks no I got nothing but dicks and nuts and I've gotten like four of the nastiest tits you've ever seen well men are disgusting so men take chances a gay guy and you got all these songs

08:31about gay guys sucking dicks they're like I can get this guy well that well the thing they're not even doing these aren't gay guys these are guys who are just like I love your album I want to show you my nuts oh and I'm like I guess I appreciate it but someone sent me some tits already Jesus yeah well I think they're coming today today people going to send you them they're not even going to be theirs you're going to get some fake accounts you're going to get fish not fish catfished catfished going to get catfished if anyone's up for get oh yeah if anyone's up for getting catfished it's all wheel Walker change here I'll show up with my pants down ready for I'll buy anything you know well what's what's funny about you and this whole thing is that no one had to give you the green light to do this what I love about it is that you decided to take a chance spend your own

09:12money hire legit musicians put it together yourself and you're like it I'm G to have either I'm going to go down in flames or this is going to take off and dude I hear about you all the time now like I don't know if you know what's happening but there's like this wave of people who are finding out about you across the country the answer is I I didn't know I mean I put out the album and then I got a call like I said about you know that it's on the billboard I thought it was a joke and then I they said they we should I got to go on tour and I said I going on I'm no spring chicken man I ain't sitting in a van and playing empty clubs I said call me back when we got offers and they started getting off like can I make my fish Jamie pull up that uh email tour I'm announcing it right now like and I got talked into you know like there's people buying I guess they want to buy tickets I

10:04don't nobody would have ever let you do this 10 years ago you could have never done this that's so funny cuz you know obviously a thing you know here we go bam oh it was a tour full tour son I'm not even kidding this is some some of these is the first time I've seen it okay so go to Wheeler Walker jr.com tour and all these on you're doing some serious places man you're doing some pretty big theat so tell me they're like some of these are like like house of Blues yeah these are several thousand House of Blues I mean they don't play they play Everything But the blues but I mean it those are big rooms how the am I going to sell that out I don't don't know dude I guess that's what I'm here for I guess that's what you're here for but yeah you playing you do in the independent in San Francisco damn is that a good place yeah it's a very nice place yeah doing some good spots yeah Filmore and

10:47Philadelphia that's a great theater oh no way yeah um damn son look at you that's hilarious how long ago the album come out been about eight weeks so Hey listen yeah I don't know what the going on but here's that's awesome I guess so I went in there like like this guy Dave Cobb who just won the Grammy of the produce won the what's it Grammy for Country producer of the Year okay and he did serg's first two records and I knew sturge a little bit back in Kentucky and um he introduced me he's like just give me c I was like I I want to own this you know I don't want anyone to own it cuz they're going to with it so I just gave them the like literally emptied out my bank account gave Dave the money all these kind of the best musicians a lot of it was actually a lot of Shooters the guys from Shooters first band who' all move now are in Nashville so it's like these

11:39killer players who I think are the best players in Nashville but they're not like Nashville's go-to you know not like the guys that these pop dog guys go to and it's the guys who played on Sturgill's first record and we and these guy Leroy pal Chris pal Brian all Brian Allen give him a shot real great musicians great musicians there's some live versions that they did they did you can have the crown live some radio station thing with a just a very small group of them and you get to see like how good the the the actual well he's got stur got a different band now that again I mean Sturgill's band now is uh is killer I mean music is so hard to pin down I was justen it's funny too cuz you know we had a bit of a we had a fallen out recently and I'm you couldn't find a bigger Sturgill fan than me I just I was listening to his record on the way over here and it's a Masterpiece but

12:28but he also won't talk to me right now what happened well here's the thing I don't even mind talking about right I in an interview I said that he was and but this is honestly what I believe I think he is and you're going to laugh when I say it but I swear this is what I believe I think he's a paid CIA assassin I just let that sink in for a second I think he's taking out and I confronted him about it where did you uh get this information was well let me tell YouTube video no no no no see I've know like I said I knew him back in Kentucky and he goes this goes to the Navy right right that's imagine imagine being imagine he he's he's works for the governor imagine being in the Navy and you look next to you and some guy just picks up a guitar and starts singing and it's Sturgill Simpson imagine that right there's no what like the greatest singer guitarist

13:26one of the best ones in the world right now would you agree with that oh for sure he's just sitting next to you on a boat and he decides you know what I want to leave the Navy well he was young but I'm saying you can't just quit the Navy uh well you do your term you know he didn't do his term he left really so he owes the government how how long did he go I don't know the listen all my facts aren't together lie to you but he leaves can you do that I thought that's like you go awall he didn't go awall he's so why is I'm saying you why is he out oh well you should talk to Alex Jones about that well no but I'm telling I know I'm I don't need to talk to any I got the answers okay he's he leaves right right now I he all of a sudden out of nowhere he just puts out record so what if you're in the government you want to take some out right put their dick in the dirt like I'm saying take

14:13those down what's the best way to do it and this done been done before by some some other Hollywood stars you get the best country music artist alive and you uh kill people for you well yeah as a front but who travels the most country music artist yeah and you got to have him legit cuz he's got to go play right check out sergel's tour now here's what I'm going to say right now I know you're laughing at me I see you both laughing at me but this has toured Europe 10 time he's he's toured England 10 times you ever heard of who's your favorite country music artist from England they don't listen to country music they do listen to it though well you don't play it and listen to it he's going over there killing people and but this fucker's gone to how many times a lot yeah you ever met a Japanese guy and you go who's your favorite country AR they don't go like you know they don't

15:03gock they don't listen to that he's over there taking out you go down his tour list and you check the check it with the papers of enemies of the state who've been taken out that lines up does it I think it I wasn't the specifics I can't anyway I got a little Stone and I thought this was what happened and and I should have asked him about it which is true but so he just started accusing him of being a CIA ass to his face I did it on a couple radio shows and then and this is probably going to break it open a little bit but anyway now he's he won't why won't he confront me about it because it's true right and why is this new album All About Him you heard the record it's just him talking to his son cuz he's seeing at night he he's seeing the you know why do you write write an album about this serious about you know as like a serious talk to your child cuz you've seen go down you've seen

16:00you're he's maybe he just loves his kid no one does that no that's not a reason to make a record he he's telling his kids warning him don't do what I did okay you know and he's a hired government assassin and I'm almost positive about this lost friend for but I'm also getting the truth out there what don't you worry he's going to take you out for exposing him that's why I'm talking about it cuz now that they know if he takes me out we'll know what well then my story will be true that's what that guy thought in Russia remember that dude in Russia that was talking about uh about Putin he was uh like a political rival to Putin and he thought because he was so public they'd never take him out they shot him with his girlfriend while he's with his girlfriend they shot him in front of a government building that doesn't help my anxiety with a story like that yeah

16:46they'll just get you dude especially you go to Russia don't tour Russia I don't know well I I mean again I I'm my facts aren't like 100% together but from what I've seen why wouldn't he talk to me about it then what would you say well you know people get testy when you call them killers they get um you know they feel bad I don't know man you guys I mean whatever I think I'm on to something but whatever anyway that's the thing about country music you lose some friends but that him taking apart what I that I think he's a hired government killer take that away okay let's take that take that away for the moment but what you're saying about those guys like sergel it's it's it's bringing real country it's actual country music he on the radio either Jason Isbell too that guy man I've been listening to a lot of his lately he's amazing he's great a good writer that's the

17:36guy who did the guy Dave who did his records did my did there's a lot of great stuff coming out right now and what see this is the thing though it seems that music producers are a lot like television producers in that what they want to do is sell the most and like some of these people they're not necessarily they're it's not that they're not artists they're definitely artists they're creating music but they're creating music that they specifically want to sell a lot they want it to hit with people it's almost like they want to figure out how to press those buttons right you know they they want to put it in a nice juicy formula where they could press those buttons right and they'll sell a lot of units but a guy like Sturgill or a guy like Shooter Jennings like these guys are not doing that what they're doing is expressing themselves and then you get to find out who they actually are and

18:28it's so much more interesting than the same canned and the same canned bullshit's fine sometimes I mean sometimes I like listening to some stupid pop music song just for the of it who cares it's not the worst thing in the world I think that's fine too but my my actual my even bigger not even bigger issue but speaking like I like pop music just like you but the country pop is 20 is 30 years is they're trying I don't mind like Sturgill's a good example of someone who's taken country and moving it forward these guys aren't they're adding Beats from like the 80s and they're they're going backwards you know they're trying I know people who go into Studios of major country artists with one of those clicker things clicker things and making sure it's the right it's not made up making sure it's the right beats per minute so slow it down speed up to make sure we get on the

19:13radio oh my God so my goal with my record it's isn't that crazy it's weird that like that's us imagine someone coming in here with one of those clickers that speed it up or slow down your PO like you kick him out of the room well we've talked about this a 100 times like if we actually had a network or a producer or an executive behind the show would have never worked no one would never let us do any of the stuff that I would had arguments with people every day about some of the things we say they to totally and that's why the podcast so great and so big and and a lot of these podast you know it's it's the natural reaction when like you know radio turns to yeah podcast had to happen because people were sick of radio and the same thing with country I went basically my goal was I said I gave him cash I said no one's touching this and I said I'm going to make the best country record of

20:02the year and I'm going to make it completely unplayable I don't want it to be able to be played anywhere so when you're making an album like that you're literally only listening you're not thinking outside the room you're recording it in because the Assumption was nobody was going to hear it right so when you make an album that you assume nobody's going to hear it some interesting kind of happen yeah it got it got dirty don't get me I mean it went x-rated but but it's fun man it's fun and what you said was true too like 20 years ago 15 10 years ago this would have to be sold in the back of a nudie mag exactly it's on iTunes it's on Amazon it's not like I said it's not Walmart you had to give it to people and they would have had to start talking about it and then there was a few uh weren't there a few like dirty albums where guys would sing dirty songs back in the day yeah David Allen

20:46Co is the most famous I actually opened up two shows for David Allen Co and he's dirty no no he's a legit country artist and this actually a real story it's interesting he um shell Silverstein was a the writer a country was a you know the kids children's bookwriter but he also wrote country music he wrote A Boy Named Sue for Johnny Cash somebody told me that that's true that's a that's true he he's recorded here and there so David en Co is playing these really dirty these really dirty songs for Shell Silverstein and he goes you got to record this and you know I I got a record label I can't you know I can't this is the 70s I can't record I mean we're talking I would I mean like my I consider myself an equal opportunity offender and I'm a David Allen Co fan I mean no disrespect he's but he's you seven he's used as and I don't think he's a racist because it comes up a lot

21:37but heuse n word you know it go crazy and those de but it was sold in the he recorded it obviously off the radar it was sold in the back of biker mags you know and those albums they got to me in Kentucky you know like they get around but it just it was a different machine behind it well do you remember the Jerky Boys yeah yeah you remember they had a there was a cassette that you would get from people that's how we all got the Jerky Boys I remember getting that in Kentucky just like you got to hear this cuz we all used to do prank calls like you got to hear this I think those guys did that all on their own and put the Cass me they probably did the didn't they do a movie it probably went more mainstream but it went it went South there but again but what you're saying is totally right like and now you've got word of mouth times a that's how you end up on the Billboard

22:20charts is when you got word of mouth plus the internet right which is instead of telling 10 friends you're actually telling a thousand friends and we're out selling you know my album came out the same week as a new wion a Jud record and sold more copies and I'm from Kentucky and I got nothing against I got nothing against the Juds by the way I tell you I got in a Twitter fight with Winona whoa for real yeah which one's the actress that's her sister Ashley okay Winona looks like uh two Ashley's put together rude um yeah that's not nice of me to say I don't like these La women I should say that you like them thick yeah I like kind them big I like them little thck yeah I don't like these girls are too SK cuz it's like the old days you know if you s a girl that's skinny it's not healthy yeah was a sign of that in the like those fat kings in the old days you

23:08know were like they let them let you know that they had money when I see a girl that's skinny I think they're just using me for food I wonder if women think that way they see a guy who's real thin like do they they want a guy with a gut secretly they don't want to talk about it se la eat what he wants I mean these these girls look hungry there's a lot of hungry girls in La they are hungry well they've been told that they have to be a coat rack in order to be famous but guys don't like that well not only that man watch television other companies like watch a television show in Colombia all the girls have these big thick ass legs and big asses and big tits they don't look anything like American women and that's what we whack off to exactly like I've never Googled skinny chicks on my not healthy I hate to bring it back to me but I please do goes but it goes to what we're talking

23:59about doing everything the opposite way so I go so a lot of these albums nowadays like you know they'll do a they'll they'll stream you know do a free stream the week before it comes out on NPR or Rong stone or whatever it was and you know no one play my of course so I go let's um let's Premiere the um the record on um on red tube no what which one was it like a porn site yeah por no PornHub was the one I did I go PornHub I go let's per let's stream alum for free for the first week on PornHub all right I think maybe listen don't get me wrong most people who went to Pornhub that week weren't looking to hear a country music record right but still you get 1% of that they were there to whack off when you're done whacking off listen to a good record they had ads for my record no one's re it's like they basically said to me like let's just try it out see what happens and they were so

24:53totally cool about it it's like when you're looking for cuz this like they're like talking about these you know nprs app what's that 10,000 people like how'd you like to reach every man on Earth who whacks off I go yeah that sounds interesting to me that sounds like an audience I'd like to get in with do you ever look at ads when you whack off though I I don't even know what they are here's my I even noticed them I go full screen immediately no my theory though is when my face is up there and you're whack if you jizz right when you see my face you ain't forgetting that face for the rest of your life it's a good point you have a very distinct look and then if you like went to like a video that you really enjoyed and then your face was off to the side of it it could get confusing yeah it's click it clicked right to the record yeah that's like some Manchurian Candidate type

25:35yeah that's how I'm think I'm thinking sturg Lo here dude I see what you're saying like you just get in their head like cuz everybody I wonder like what are the real raw numbers like how many people jerk off to those porn sides well they I mean they told me that it was like the it has to be insane it was hundreds of no it was literally hundreds of millions of people well they're like you know it was isn't that crazy they're like well what's crazy is it's in the dark if there was any other website that had hundreds of millions of hits we'd be talking about it all the time exactly well that's the thing they gave me their numbers and they were just like they weren't even that because they know the numbers so to them it's not a big deal crazy that is I go how like compare yourself to other sides I go what's it like like compared to Craigslist was the only thing I said

26:15they go oh we're bigger than Craigslist I go what about CNN we're bigger than CNN I go bigger than all those guys combined why the am I is am I the only one thinking to put to put ads on porn and they go cuz the corporations won't this is back to me paying for it and KN it myself I go I can do whatever they we've asked the movie studios we've asked the record companies they won't put ads on our sites and I go I'll do it that's hilarious and I go and they go who do you have to talk to to do it and I go you're talking to the guy you know that's the whole you don't have people that's the whole love of the whole great thing about doing this let us test it out but you must have people swooping in on you now because what we were talking about earlier that Nashville right now I don't want to say it like I'm a investigator I've been studying Nashville here's my I'll

27:02bet you know the big picture though it's money it's just like television shows if you want to watch those terrible Two and a Half Men style television shows why do you think they're making those things CU people are buying them they're gobbling them up there's a certain frequency that you can hit when you make like really dull Bland stuff and people like that there's a lot of people that like that so they know how to do it and they bang it out and I think that's what's happening with producers but it's not with the public ones and that's why you're getting these shows like Mad Men or you know Walking Dead Or you know the the Game of Thrones you're getting these interesting shows that are so much different than all these formulaic shows that have been on television forever and because people are changing they have to they have to adapt to the fact that people have too

27:46many options now they don't have to just eat your spoonfed so totally I mean that's that's like uh you know listen the girl who dumped me and I'm telling you she's not a but when she left my in in my head I'm thinking as any guy would you I go why do I have to cover up that emotion that I fell after the song for some record label so I just sang you of course everyone this the studio guys are playing drums like what the wrong with how many hits does that video have on YouTube it's something insane no it's not that I mean we're still at the very Beginnings I mean what's so crazy is you know the amount of Records I sold and the these rooms I'm playing we still only reached a FR cuz you know been for eight weeks man yeah it's pretty early but there's this B Florida George Line who by the way just blocked me on Twitter because I was talking so much about him

28:34Florida George Florida Georgia Line they should be called Florida George and I they're one of the they're one of the bigger acts in country and listen I'm sure they're not I heard later they were nice guys after I ripped on them for nonstop for 72 hours but I don't give two about making fun of this pop country that I call you know that I talked about before so I'll rip on there they is that pop country they have Wall chains I had a wallet chain until recently okay listen that I mean you tell me right now those dudes ain't about to Jack each other they're trying to get some they look good shave their arms hold on go back to that Jamie these that's two guys trying to get the guy in the over his right shoulder no that guy's not getting but in his defense he might have already gotten some or he might be in a dick oh he's in post mode yeah he could be like I just

29:22nutted so hard today I don't give a I just want to eat some Cheetos and take a nap that's very possible but yeah I mean that's the guy at the right doesn't know what the going on the guy at the far right with the glasses with a gray shirt he's just like hoping one day it's all going to make sense he just wants the the checks to cash yeah he's hoping one day it's all going to make sense but right now he's baffled he's like what is on the road and here's the thing if it makes people happy and people like this crap hey easy I like their medallions like they're fake soldiers I got nothing against it but I'm also the only dude in Nashville talking about about him and Sam Hunt this guy who raps and you know why does that guy have a dog tag on go back to that please Jamie he's got a diamond encrusted dog tag that should be that's like some Stolen Valor maybe he was for the

30:09ciao I mean that is the exact opposite of what a dog tag is a dog tag is aluminum and it represents a memory of someone who died in the war this is a dog tag shaped diamond encrusted thing this is this is hilarious you mean the real dog tags aren't diamond and crusted is that what you're that's what I'm trying to say this is I mean this is literally like the devil is selling us a band yeah it really but this is the thing this is what they're selling so you wonder why I'm pissing off Music Row well here's a reason cuz that band has blocked wheeler Walker Jr on Twitter well it's probably someone handling their well whatever it is but and again I've heard they're nice enough guys but there there's people writing the music for them there people producing it for them are you sure well let me just use them as an let me just say in broader terms listen I don't

30:56other thing you know thing reason I think people dig me because I don't give a if what I'm saying is true or not I just say this but the pop country dog that's on country radio with Florida Georg line same hunt and all this other sh I mean listen wish listen to some of it I don't know what it sounds like it sounds like what Steve Earl said it sounds handsome guys they're dreamy I think you're hating yeah I'm hating I'm trying to sell records go back to them Jamie look at the one with a gold bullion he's got a gold bullion around his neck some Columbus took over in the Santa Maria go back to him one the original picture that you hadie these guys are beautiful there he goes look at the gold bullion around his neck handsome they look like they'd be wonderful to hang out with yeah and you think those two guys know what it's like to have loved and lost and those guys

31:42have been down that dirt road sir they've got their fingers dirty and everything they have hand sanitizer in their back pocket right now no ain't no ain't no girl dumping those dudes with those with gold crusted Medallion they dump them girls are crazy they don't even appreciate what's in front of them you want to hear you want to hear some uh you know some heartbreak you listen to me not these two good-looking dudes well for heartbreak music I would say the dude with the red and black striped shirt is not going to give you what you're looking for yeah probably not I wonder if he I don't think he's I think it's just the two dudes he wishes he was in The Cure but they're not taking anybody new at you know what's funny I'll bet the two guys in the front I'll bet they even haven't even met the band what if they become my favorite band though like we're talking all this mad but I

32:26haven't listened to their music what if we play their music right now and I'm like oh my God I love them then I'm I'll see you later I'll leave I'll leave right here no play it can we hear some well I gotta tell you oh you get in trouble yeah yeah we'll probably get pulled from YouTube right how do we do this uh you know what how about this play a little bit just YouTube can't hear it okay YouTube anybody listen to this on YouTube what's the song just tell us what the song is just I'll just play the first but the people on the podcast can hear it right is that how it goes the first one that popped up is called confession Jam you might have to do some editing we're g to get pulled can't be using that it's called confession it's weird here we go Florida Georgia Line confession 7 million 7 million views now compare that to sturgul just but keep playing this guy's keeping it real

33:27now hear that hear that that that that drum or whatever that is oh that beat is that a beat he's doing the rap yeah he's doing rap he's rapping now you tell me this is country music honestly it's weird it's pop music like it's like a uh poppy look that hip hoppy yeah they're doing a lot of hip-hop movements with their hands it's all like they're stealing from black people it's cultural appropriation we should end it we should end Listen White people have never stopped stealing from black people they're not going to stop they they're moving into country music was he right though it's it's it's it's it's it's rap for people who are scared of black people that's 100% rap for people that are scared of black people but catchy tune probably sold well obviously it did sold a lot more than me but I'm the like I said I'm the only one who's and well you were saying people

34:17coming at me which has been happening some but for the most part they don't want to piss off the real money makers so they don't want to be associated with that it seems like there's a lot of country music that's sort of reinforcing a mindset and it's one of the only music genres that reinforces a mindset and that mindset is I'm a simple person I got a nice truck I got a good dog I got a woman but someone broke my heart or maybe I love you maybe I die for you there's like all these like really Noble and really uh really like like iconic like country music themes and and uh iconic country music ideas that get pushed in these and they just get repeated over and over and over again it's in reinforcing the benefits of living in a rural environment it's reinforcing being near nature and rivers and like that but it's also reinforcing being dumb it's reinforcing

35:13like it's all God you got to have God involved there's a lot of God involved and there's some of that that I listen to why I go this can't be real I don't think Sergio Simpson is a CIA assassin but I've listened to some country music songs where I go okay this is a cyber plot this is the government is trying to figure out how to get into people's minds and make them Dumber well the other thing too is as a guy from and I'm with you 100% it seems like it totally it feels like it was made to brainwash us it's a psych psych cops is that what they call those things the government's just they created super popular music that enforces the idea of being stupid totally but also as a guy from K like I I grew up in Kentucky most of my family is from Tennessee and it makes me look like a dumbass that like this is what people this is not what the south is I got a lot of

35:59really all my friends are from the south yeah well the South's great man I love performing the South it's the great greatest but you see this and that's what reinfor not only you say cultural appropriation it's reinforcing stereotypes so I'm going in there and making some real what I actually have less of a problem if they just didn't if they just called that pop music yeah it's pop music why call because they're giv an act it's pop music with an accent and that accent is what makes it country but it's also they don't there's very little brag it's not like Hip-Hop Hip-Hop is like a lot about bragging you know there's a lot of like what I'm going to do to you yeah there's a lot of what I'm going to do to you there's a lot of what I own what I'm going to do to your girl this not this is yeah totally this is yeah this is like this I'm together with you

36:41forever yeah I never going to leave you I'm never I appreciate you and they're backstage you know blow banging guys Jank jacking each other off 69 and spinning in a circle that's the tweet that got me blocked I think yeah that'll do it they're probably not they're probably nice guys I heard they were nice guys but it has nothing but and if they are listening which they're not but it's a great job I'm sure they're happy um all doing great but it's nothing it's not them personally it's just that machine that Nashville's putting out that I'm so against and I decided that it pisses me off that it's that country music which I love so much and I love but that's not the stuff we've been talking you know my heroes whan and Willie and Johnny Cash and Johnny Cash and Merl just passed and like Len Brothers just passed away um Len brothers are ban do this country do

37:32I used to love and they're singing about they have this album Satan is real and almost looks like a joke but they're s but it's like but they're serious but they're serious Satan is real but they're real but they're but they're talking about you know the struggle of the devil versus like that's interesting to me like okay they know I'm not you know I don't you know it's hard to sing what I sing and talk about that but if they're talking about the struggle between the two sides then then maybe I can listen but if you're just talking about this this is pop music This Ain't Country so that's why I decided not to censor myself on the record it's like if I'm going to Duke real country and it ain't going to get played on country radio no matter what I do doesn't matter anymore though does it I mean it seems like that did you please check this because I'm not sure if it's true

38:14someone at the comedy store was saying that CBS is unloading all of its radio properties they are uh I've heard they're currently exploring options on what to do with their stuff I don't know that it's officially happening yeah well how can who would be listening to L to the radio it sounds like it's not nearly as good as a CD or an MP3 in your car right but how's that HD radio is that okay I've never heard it but if like if you if this is a radio show what would I be on here for two and a half minutes you know maybe and it would be censored you couldn't talk about the record and then we would have to say traffic brought to you by Petco do you have a cute little dog or a kitten go to Petco get them ground up murdered animals we'll be right back uh yeah we'd have to do I did a I've done a couple of those cuz country radio literally won't have me on so I did a couple Rock of

38:58terrestrial whatever they call it rock stations they were kind of into it so he's got a new album called red stuff you know it's like they can't even say so then people it doesn't even help me cuz they go on iTunes they can't find the name of the record do you remember that CeeLo Green song you that they turned into forget you and they they kept kept going you knew you would hear it somewhere and you would go you why did you make a second version of this what did you do well that's my thing isz I've been asked the other thing which you know kind of getting to I have been asked many times to make censored versions of these songs and I and I back to me owning it no it ain't happening I can't believe they talk CEO into it well that's but when you're on a major label and you're and they're paying for all your you know got to do when you're on tour and that's the other thing where

39:45I was talking about I ain't touring until I got an audience but like someone like him and he's on tour with a giant band and the record company's fronting the bill but he's got to end up paying it back right yeah you're going to put out the censor version but if you're not uh you know if no giant corporations behind me like they this is all you know this is my label my I I could take it off the market today if I wanted to I'm not going to because this is I'm on a big podcast here I want to sell some records but I could you know well I think what what's happening with this is a lot there's a lot going on on the internet with uh people just making stuff and selling stuff just whatever it is whether it's like there's there's people that are doing like Louis CK is doing that Horus and Peach decided what did he say on Stern he did you hear about that spent

40:30all his money making his Horus and pach show himself and he's selling on his website just cuz he wanted to do it but also he wanted to do it himself he wanted to have nobody involved just making it all himself that's really isn't that the in the same thing with your pocket isn't that the lesson really is like if why not only do things if you're willing to put up your own Money Two and a Half Men or what you were talking about that kind of well yeah I'll make it if if I'm if the whole thing's a bust I I lose zero yeah if this is a bust I lose a lot of money you lose money if your podcast goes up you know it's it's also they make it seem so easy like if you're going to do a record with some major label they're going to take care of everything wheeler Don't You Worry About a Thing guys at a big cigar is going to get in the elevator with you bring you up to the top floor you're going to Glad

41:12hand a bunch of people we're really behind this record wheeler we love you oh my God I'm a fan I listen to your stuff in the car I was crying laughing H one you performing we'd like to see it when you're coming to town just total you you leave and then another guy goes in they do the same thing they don't really give a about you they hope that you'll make some money and they'll kind of pretend I mean maybe they like you but most likely theying me or not like ain't got nothing to do with cuz I when they heard the record and I went to the top of the top of those big record companies and I sat there and they were loving it blah blah but ALS you know we got to cut this song and we got to take this line out and I the second they said that I just sat in the room deal you know yeah I took the meetings cuz I figured it's worth taking you know I'll listen to him

41:57but that's what and and I will tell you this and this is credit to the producer Dave when he told me told me how much it cost listen it was pretty much all the money I had but it was not a CR the amount of money that it cost to make a record in 2016 is not that much money when you look when you look at it right to sell your the labels will make it cost a million by charging you all that and you know ordering pizzas every day that you don't want you know hiring all these big gun players and you people are making albums on their it doesn't it don't cost you know I went a little higher but even that my jaw dropped when he told me the prize it was and I don't want to say you know say the number but it was how come because I don't want to put him into you know like I don't want people to come to him like oh you charge so and so and all and also since then he's also his last Rec I mean

42:52he's sold millions of Records since then so I'm sure his price is going up but but he's also I'm not sure if some if he loved an artist he' just he'd record him for free but if he's some big label you know he'll take whatever you know well aren't music producers in a lot of ways a lot like musicians in that they love they enjoy making good stuff and I know a lot of musicians they'll do each other's albums they essentially do it for free they go and they'll do a cameo on each other he's the big I mean yeah I mean I can't say enough I almost feel guilty mentioning him because he's you know my Al you know he does some good that selling I don't want to you know talk about him producing this dirty but he did such a amazing job and he's such a music fan that he knows and he's kind of from the south like me he had the I've noticed that people like that people like Sturgill shooter we all had

43:41the same kind of music-wise same kind of upbringing which was grew up in the South Country Music everywhere you're like this I'm not listening to Friends in Low Places or whatever you start listening to Zeppelin you start listening to rock and you start going to all the this other we had it's all the exact same thing and then you come back to whan didn't become whan until he was his late 30s at least like that that's not music for kids you know there's a reason why I didn't get whan when I was 11 you get older and you listen to it and you're like now I get you come back around to it and that's what happened to a lot of me and my friends like this is as real and as dark and as you know as Bare Bones as any Zeppelin I ever heard I love Zeppelin you know just it's the same but that that kind of is not available anymore it's it's legit it's legit if it's a rock song The Black Keys are

44:35legit you know there's bands that are just legit you listen to their and you just go wow and then there's stuff that you listen to that even if you enjoy it you know it's heavily produced and someone created it in a pop Factory and it just doesn't it doesn't HTE you the same way and the crazy thing is too is like you listen to someone like you really got to see and I hate us but like I know sturg just example we're using you got to see him live because nowadays they can make anybody sound that he doesn't use autotune but when you see him live you go holy he was just singing on the record yeah I could sing I could go sing some autotune yeah without it up you got the look you got everything you need do some like Peter Frampton remember we used to do do you feel like I do he was like the first guy to use autotune wasn't he was that aune I think that was was it a different

45:21thing a vocal you know that thing with the guitar like do you but I mean no I've had called a talk box a talk box all right j i I had a friend who who worked who who uh autotuned a major country pop star whoa and he said my voice was better congratulations and I said who looked better and I didn't I won't tell you the you don't get a response well I think there there's nothing wrong with making those Two and a Half Men shows there's nothing wrong with what we're talking about but as far as like what interests me um I'm not interested in those poppy songs it's just I it goes in my head and my head just starts rejecting it like ah you're eating plastic get it out of there you know it's like you could you could live for like a few days off of Hostess cupcakes if you wanted to you could probably live for a month off of Just Hostess CupCakes I wouldn't recommend it though yeah I would I would

46:14definitely not recommend that I mean that'd be your your brain would probably no no protein no vitamins how long could you live off host as cupcakes that's got to be the equivalent of just going without food right that would be a really interesting experiment yeah they should do that you know we to do that red band Red Band be willing to do that what's that super siis me guy he did oh he just fast food he did fast food but if someone just ate feel like a lot of people just eat fast food that didn't really count that's normal yeah well some people I mean I don't know people have criticized that show that movie Super siiz me like all of his liver damage and all that stuff they're like come on yeah well I remember he like he threw up on day one I like people go to fast food all the time they don't barf but was something before that he was like super healthy aan chef

46:59but also I always get pissed when I see a movie like that and they're like any conclusion fast food is not good for you I'm like oh thanks any more brain Busters well not only that they say don't don't eat it every day you're not supposed to eat it every day the fast food is supposed to be a guilty thing that you eat when you got no time to do anything else like you want to just pull in the burger K all right it let's do this that's what it's supposed to be twice a year you get hung over and you go to Jack in the Box Jack in the Box fine it's no big deal they don't the the people there aren't like thinking they're slinging Health Food you know yeah well they're trying to catch up to that now though you see like McDonald's has salads what you imagine how nasty that is oh my God they're salad what does it taste like like Fukushima lettuce what if it what if it what if it was like the

47:41best salad you've ever had it's it's possible yeah it is totally possible like you just only like that's they're a new uh sponsor on your show yeah have you you ever had any big corporate sponsors on here no no I prefer to do it the way we're doing it too mostly companies that sell things only online Squarespace and stuff like that oh I think the website development company they do I've got I've gotten emails from I think they do my website uh well you you you can make your own website on them it's super easy to do but there's like a lot of companies that they're they're using the internet now and using podcasts as sponsors because they don't have to have a store they don't have to have like a retail place they don't have to have a bunch of employees that wear an Amber Cobi and fit spray they can just online I I think someone was telling me at the at the the place that

48:29distributes the record that 80 more or something more percent of my albums sold have been iTunes and Amazon because people can't find there's no way to the stores aren't carrying it and no one can find it and when I was a kid and when you were a kid if you even if Word of Mouth got to you about this record you couldn't buy it you went in Kentucky I went to the record store I remember I went someone was telling me about The Velvet Underground I got to go hear The Velvet Underground so I went to the local record store in uh in uh in Lexington and uh they look it up in the catalog like yeah it'll be four weeks and we'll get it to you you wait four weeks to hear what this fand sounds like had a buy from a catalog yeah they had a catalog of all every record because no one in their's buying it so why would they order it wow so you have to order it and then you just have to buy and

49:16listen to it because you're not going to hear it anywhere well that's what that's to me is the big thing that's changed music like I used to again I was you know even Lexington which is not that small of a town you're an island really so you would get rolling stone you read about like the Jesus Lizard I don't know if you remember that band really hardcore they were really cool and I remember the guy writing about the Jesus lizard and Rowan Stone said that they're like the real this is not a joke these are crazy and this the craziest music whatever they said got me wanting to listen to it nowadays you read that you don't need the article you just click on the music right but I had to wait weeks to hear this there's you can't press on the article and it's like the mystery of it's gone but that being said the positive is that I can actually sell my my record the mystery it's all

50:02positives to me that you can sell your record also that like like people could start talking about you through Twitter and Facebook and things along those lines and it just spreads across the whole country like that well can you imagine even 10 years ago or if not more like like I'm I'm banned from Walmart imagine getting that call 10 years ago you're devastating devastating this wasn't even it's like it doesn't even matter of course you're going to be banned from Walmart a badge of honor yeah I don't I think they probably it's just like they just they probably banned 50 other records theya ban everything yeah they Bann so much but there's this whole what you were talking about all the they feed you there's and listen it ain't going to sell a million copies but there's a people of the there's a section of you know the audience that wants real and a section of the of your of people are

50:50sick I'm sick of the radio I just want to hear Joe talk to somebody in a convers and you listen I'm I'm sure you still do radio promote shows and like that I don't do radio anymore you don't you don't I do like Kevin and Bean cuz they're friends oh I did their uh their Cher thing awes most of the time I'm not doing that much radio anymore that's awesome see I just I don't I talk too much already I don't want to talk more well that's the first of all I'm jealous but that the second of all it's awesome that you got a big enough platform that you can you don't have to do it you know yeah it's super fortunate but I mean it's not that I didn't enjoy doing some radio but the problem is for us it's in the morning like for me it's always at like 6:00 in the morning or 7:00 in the morning you're preaching in the converter like I I got to get up I've had to you know get

51:32up at 700 to do radio this idea that you can only listen to it at a specific time is so stupid like you don't have to do that anymore we have a way better way of getting stuff out it's so funny you said that so so dumb it's like who are they fooling like exactly why why do you think like podcasts would have were going to happen no matter what H it was just about I don't know who started but it had to happen cuz people want to listen to what they want to listen to and then when you get start up your car again you want to listen where it left off and it just sinks up to your car soas not only that you get it with one press of a button I can go to the my podcast I can go to the podcast app on iTunes I look at the the podcast I say oh wheeler Walker Jr boom I touch it I could do all this at a red light and then my car the light turns green I start driving and I'm listening to you like

52:23that it's just so easy days you'd go you know oh Stern interviewed Chris Rock you missed it yeah why what do we leave how do I miss it like that's no that's not the world we live in anymore you know so get with the time so there's a lot of people still Clinging On to the old you know how things used like like you said people need to watch a show at a certain time or listen to the radio like yeah drive time R what the who listens to radio on the drive in the morning well the first thing that switched it up was Sirius XM cuz when Sirius when it was XM you know and Opie and Anthony were on and Howard Stern is on and what they figured out when they were doing this I was like look we don't have to have any censorship we could say whatever the we want well but they started getting in trouble too like Opie and Anthony got banned off the air once because they brought in a homeless guy

53:08and he started talking about banging condalisa rice oh yeah one of them I did I did op and Anthony they were cool I one of them but it's not OP and Anthony no now it's Opie and Jimmy yeah they were Anthony's got his own thing now he's got radio but I remember it was funny too because I think you're right about that serus XM was one a big thing cuz I remember when H when Stern who I used to listen to who by the way I didn't listen to later cuz Kentuck my hometown didn't have Stern going up but I started listening to him and I loved him and he said he's going to satellite radio where he can say wherever he wants and they're like well he's not going to be as funny half the fun is listen to him trying to talk around him and then you listen and you go that's such a it's so much funnier when he's not he's just saying it that idea that it's more fun to be censored I

53:53always love when people prove the is wrong you know that's a dumb Theory though that's like a big didn't you hear that all the time I heard that all the time I never heard that I used to hear that about comedy but I was always like whatever Sam Kennison and Richard Pryor are my all-time favorites like how the can you tell me who's funnier than Richard Pryor nobody was funnier than Richard Pryor and how could you tell me that beating around the bush would be better than what prior was doing you can't you can't even say it you have to be quiet well maybe it was more in the South but I kept hearing you know now that he's not got like the FCC to fight against and he can you know the fun was him trying to get around the senses and you listen to it and you go it's so much better now that you don't that's just to be free completely free to express yourself without any worry about a word that's

54:33going to get you fined for hundreds of thousands of dollars you got to remember like he got he got sued by the FCC right like he he ow to task he had to go to court over that and they they wound up finding him like ungodly amounts of money and there was nobody out there with him when he was doing that like he's that's one of the reasons why I'll never criticize that guy it's like he's like one of the most important Pioneers when it comes to radio like if it wasn't for that guy and going out there like that and getting sued and and having that was all during the Bush Administration man where they were those John Ash yeah those John ashc man that guy was scary all these people that were trying there was there was a lot of religious behind it well they'll be they're in their boots over this record too oh well they would be dying over that record but he got sued I mean he he

55:24actually had a spend real money and real stress imagine the government trying to take you out all you are is a dirty morning radio guy and the government's trying to take you out you probably get paranoid you should get paranoid you should be paranoid what does it say here Jamie these are all the different fines he had to pay from 1990 to 2004 some of so it says he paid them yeah some of them got paid I'm this isn't probably the initial fines that they started as either but I think this is what they got Whitted down to or let's read them off 1990 he got fined $6,000 from the FCC 1992 he got fined $105,000 from the FCC 1992 again he got fined $600,000 1993 got F fin 500,000 1993 got fined 73,000 37,000 400,000 94 200,000 94 holy and then it just keeps going on and on and on the last one right there yeah 495,000 in 2004 200 4 that insane that's during the Bush Administration after

56:269/11 he got 95,000 half a million dollars in fines for saying bad bad words wasn't even saying bad words he he didn't even say bad words he didn't swear that's what was crazy what was it just topic subject matter the like talking about farts or piss or or something like that it so crazy though such a crazy time if I were to say that to someone who didn't know they would think Oh you mean that the 50s or the 40s this is 20044 and if he didn't go through that if there wasn't this backlash from the public finding out about it cuz everybody I know that heard about it was like what how are they wasting our money suing him over a a radio show that by the way has 20 million people listening to it every morning it's pretty obvious that people are enjoying this radio show and when they stop enjoying it it'll go off the air that's what the free market is about but it wasn't about that what it

57:16was about is controlling someone because it wasn't just his dirty that's not what concerned them as much as his his criticism of the Bush Administration his criticism of political political policies and his willingness to say whatever the he wants he was a dangerous guy he had too much power you think him you think that's what kind of started podcast you think that no I don't think that's what started podcast um but I think that for him that started the the the journey eventually to XM like he had to to Sirus whatever it was at the time he had to like they were with him constantly all the time like I don't think he gets enough credit for that it's Insanity man yeah well he's I this he's a he's a hero in 2004 what he got fined for there's that talk for sphincterine a product for maintaining anal and genital hygiene that guy Jack Thompson was going after him he was

58:05doing those things after video games and stuff too if you remember the Tennessee guy yeah and then he activist and attorney Jack Thompson supplied the FCC with show transcripts oh God that's what listen yeah I don't need that's not what I I pay my well nobody did but official I guarantee you a lot of it was about controlling a powerful guy cuz he had talked about running for governor remember remember that oh yeah yeah and but he was going to have to disclose how much money he made and that's when he decided not to do it I wonder if he would do that now because now everybody knows he's got hundreds of millions of dollars I wonder if it would even bother I feel like the guy people run now they haven't disclosed well Trump has Trump says he's worth more than he actually is that's what's hilarious about him I know but I'm saying has he have we seen the actual like well Bernie

58:50Sanders just released his tax returns and his tax returns said that he made less money last year than Hillary Clinton did for one single speech holy he made $200,000 and she's made as much as I think 290 for one spee maybe even in the threes for one speech I wonder how she negotiates that I I'll release my returns they're like how much money I lost uh how many seats is this about 400 seats okay I want like you know quarter million bucks what I just told you there's like 400 seats like how much are we charging these people that we're going to pay you that 225 I think I'll take that Pearl Jam fighting over ticket prices like making sure they don't get to be 25 bucks and now people paying 250,000 to watch a speech well that is obviously just bribery money it's just bizarre that she won't release the transcripts of the bribery money speeches anytime you don't want to

59:40release them it's always exactly that's not good imagine what she said you know they're probably sacrificing babies and lighting owls on fire they probably had an effigy and they wor Sturgill's probably all over them papers probably he was probably one of the reasons why she kept her mouth shut you if it keeps if it keeps his albums coming out I'm all for it yeah whatever he's got to do man there's a lot of people that need to be shot right well yeah I think no no no he's not taking out the good guys he's taking he's taking out enemies of the state that's what's up dude he's like a Showtime um drama series assassin type guy oh maybe they'll make that show can you imagine if that was a show Sturgill Simpson just running around was like do you remember that movie where the guy from The Gong Show chuck oh of a dangerous mind yeah I thought that was cool it was kind of

60:23crazy I I was half out of it watching that movie in a hotel room in Vegas and I don't I I remember like falling asleep I just remember it was uh but he wasn't really work he thought he was working for the Govern yeah it was but it was really weird it was like what is this like I remember reading it like reading a passage from it too like it's a book and I remember reading the passage going what is this is this fake was he on drugs like what is this I didn't I never got into it though we were talking you speaking of that talking about you know first amendment you know Freedom Fighters one of the he a major hero and people don't know about it from ky's own Mr Larry Flint he did a lot of I don't think people realize how important there was that movie made out of him yeah but I don't think and he's I'm and people you get laughed at when you say Larry Flint is a hero of yours cuz he's

61:10like oh because you love Hustler and you know I love Nick but it's not what I'm talking about no freedom of speech man that he did more for freedom of speech than probably anyone alive right now that you had to be as crazy as he took that to the Supreme Court because he was insane and he was rich as and he didn't give yeah the whole was a perfect amount it was a perfect timing too because this is before porn hit the internet and the money kind of eroded yeah you know back then he was selling those magazines he was rich from selling magazines he was going to lose everything because of a joke like when when I was yeah he really was yeah when I first came to La I remember seeing that building that Flint Publications building an enormous huge office I know some of the the his I don't know I I've met him briefly I know some of the you know family members back in

62:01Kentucky but yeah they uh they um it's an Empire but also I think when he dies it'll come out they'll be talking about it you know they be it'll be the jokey national news but there'll be some really interesting pieces written about what he actually did because he really he changed everything like this album literally I couldn't make this album without L I agree and I think that what was going on with him at the same time as what was going on with Howard Stern they were all real similar was real similar and the the government was trying to decide what people couldn't couldn't do and the people that didn't get defended were the dirty ones the dirty magazine guy the dirty radio guy for whatever reason we didn't they didn't get defended where a journalist if a journalist was getting attacked like that for revealing the truth about something people would be up in arms the

62:46intellectuals be up in arms but nobody recognize that it's just as dangerous to tell people that they can't jerk off the Hustler as it is to tell uh like a political dissident that he can't that's what they said at the tri I mean the Ed Norton guy played him he's like this has nothing to do with whether you like hustle or not right has to it's no different than any free speech trial anywhere but by the way if you you know if you if you rule against this that it could lead to people being censored in all in all different forms but this is it took something that far that crazy to get it to the Supreme Court and someone that crazy it's just too problematic when you when you tell people what they can and can't talk about it's too problematic you know if you if you censor someone for especially like sexual stuff like you censor someone for putting out a magazine where

63:34people have sex in it obviously people have liked that forever you do know what this what the actual trial was I'll repeat it for it was anity trial right but he he did he actually they had comic pieces in the magazine and he did a piece where he said that this one I may need help but Jerry it was Jerry fwell I think see you can find it I'm sure it's online but you said that before I find out it was I want to get the guy's name right before I Jerry fwell Larry Flint um he was the big guy at the time right think Jerry F was the guy that got caught with the hooker too um wasn't it or has Jimmy Swagger I get them all mixed up Jimmy Swagger cried on TV it was awesome you don't remember that yeah I saw that I used to I used to watch that all the it was amazing it was amazing cuz every we all knew that he was a crazy we knew it's not your it's uh Larry Flint and uh just Google Larry Flint

64:28Supreme Court anyway the point was he said that this this preacher had sex with his mom in an ous in an ouse yeah in the magazine and made like had a cartoon of it right and I went and saw Larry Flint speak because I said like I said I'm a big fan of his and so they that the guy sued him it's Jerry fwell okay that's what I thought so he said Jerry fwell had sex with his mom in an out house and there was a cartoon like a Mad Magazine and sued him for Lial you know know he's like it's obviously a joke like I'm I don't think you know this is comedy and he sued him and it went to the Supreme Court and lar I went and saw lar Larry Flynn talk and when they repeat when the lawyer this Larry Flint said this is when he knew he he was going to win the the Supreme Court trial when his lawyer repeated what the article said that his his mom had sex that Jerry fwell had sex

65:25with his mom in our house he saw the Supreme he saw the judges giggle for a second and the lawyer stopped he's like and that's when he knew he had the trial one because the whole point is you laughed when I said it right that this guy his mom out in an out house obviously it's how are we going to have an argument that's not comedy when all all you just started laughing he said from that point on he knew he was going to win and then what funny too he also said that Jerry fwell came to him years later and they became friends and then he wanted to go do a speak because I guess he had you know maybe not watched his money as he wanted to go do a speaking tour with Larry Flynn and uh he's like I thought we I just you know I want the biggest Supreme Court freedom of speech case ever get he said he realiz that's when they kind of he like to Jerry fwell too it's all a show

66:13you know it's all it was just a it was just theater to him MH like we we can go out and make some money on the road andate each other exactly and friend like you that was I was I was I was serious about it and um it's kind of funny though I would like to party with Jerry fwell find out what goes down drink they did become friends and another one I have to look I I'm almost positive that when he died Larry Flint wrote his maybe for the LA time I think Larry Flint wrote his obituary really yeah wow but yeah they became friendlier later but it was it's an interesting trial you should definitely check out um and the movie is sums it up but you got to get into the details of it cuz what they used to do at Hustler was pretty fun CRA I mean besides you know really getting in there looking inside the puss and all that they like and they would do crazy like kind of

67:04x-rated Mad Magazine type and that was the ironically that got him in trouble like you know as you know that the it was what it was the the sex that they were actually pissed about but yeah but that was what they could catch them on because they they were so Preposterous some of them they were so graphic that was I guess yeah that must have been the one that was the guy who uh this is the letter he wrote in the LA Times after he died how I found myself in jrace that's his that's uh Larry Flint obituary the article is called the porn king and the preacher interesting his say a 1997 he had an autobiog biography called an unseemly man yeah he's a larious look look he sued him for $50 million that's why I went to the Supreme Court he kept losing the case I lost repe L yet eventually won the Supreme Court wow he kept losing it now he's hugging me in front of

67:59Millions on the Larry King show whoa that's insane I wonder how much it cost him to fight those off cuz someone's suing you for $50 million if you lost it repeatedly each one of those things cost it was it had luckily it was the right guy who was crazy enough like you said and had the money to fight it cuz most people would have just never wouldn't have fought it once much less all the way up to the Supreme Court yeah it's funny man it's funny the whole thing's funny yeah I mean the real story it's one of those things where the real story is crazier than the movie well it's it's crazy that it's such a pivotal moment in free speech history yet like you said it's not something anybody ever talks about that he actually had to go out there like that I mean they were saying before they're saying SNL might not exist if that was if he hadn't won that case well look if he gives Daily

68:46Show or any of that if you can't if you can't parody public figures SNL can happen right you can't do the daily shows you know and we could prove that and here's a way to prove it it's sort of a roundabout way but marijuana is still illegal in 2016 because of some propaganda that was made in the 1930s so that momentum carries on even though it doesn't make any sense you could still go to jail today for growing pot so if you think that if Howard Stern didn't have those lawsuits didn't pay all that money didn't make this big public outright did public outcry didn't have to go to Syria satellite radio if all those things didn't happen and won what if they shut him down what if they pulled him off the air what if Larry Larry Flint lost and never fought it what if everything buckled down how long would it have taken for the internet to happen how would long would have taken

69:34for things like Reddit or 4chan or these uncensored blogs or uncensored YouTube content where you could do whatever you want Vimeo all that podcast the that ripple from those two guys is like one of the most important ripples for free speech media in 2016 it's one of the most important like pivotal moments in the history of free speech and we're talking about that it's amazing right we're it's crazy and crazy that we're talking about an x-rayed record that I own on a podcast that you own yeah this wouldn't have like this whole world the whole thing wouldn't have happened you wouldn't have been able to do that record no way found out here's the the bigger even though I make fun of like those Florida Georgia Line guys there's are nice guys they're handsome but we have a choice at least do you think they shave their pubes guess I think they shave each other's pubes they manscape the out

70:23of that box right oh dude they got the best dud I bet they if there's like a little hair even on the head or the around the the shaft you get a shaft hair those are weird I shave those immediately I don't like that yeah it kind of freaks me out I got in a couple freaks me out I don't like a sha what if it just starts happening like I have ear hair now didn't have ear hair when I was young what if my my shaft just starts growing hairs all over it nonstop just nonstop like a wolf man it get every time you shave it it gets hair thicker yeah gets like what happen on the head oh that'd be crazy what if that's what somebody got somebody's got dick hair on there someone sure like some big Russian dude some Russian Bear type character some dude from like dagistan or something some manly man if you've got and this I'm being serious here if you got hair on the head of your dick

71:06you call me because I got a my second album I'm looking for a cover that'll be it it's called hair it's got to happen there's there's some people out there that are so hairy there's like some there's this Russian wrestler I forget what his name is but he fights in MMA we were talking about him on the uh the podcast recently he's entering into some grappling tournaments God damn it what is his name I've I've only seen him compete on YouTube he's just gorill strong everywhere like a a gorilla he's got to have some wasn't that a Paul Simon song Hair on the head of his dick I think that was one of his best songs it's catchy as man I mean you sing around your parents they yell you but it's a good song Oh that was diamonds on the S of his shoes never mind I get those I get those two songs mixed up all yeah totally different song for sure there's a guy out there I don't

71:52know what the Jim's going to try to find this guy but uh yeah well it's weird that we still have hair in weird spots on our body like that you're you're this most of the body like loses its hair in some strange way except for the head and and other weird spots like the pubes like what the is going on with the human body in the first place it's so strange looking I remember reading an article about uh Iggy Pop back in his old Stooges day yeah there's the dude what's that there's a wrestler dude look at the hair on this his Georgie KV I mean this guy's mostly a gorilla that dude's mostly a gorilla look at that I a messing this on the camera you got some hair too look at that picture though Jesus that's a goddamn gorilla this dude's a gorilla and he also has a Spanish bullion around his neck from the Pinta I believe I think he bought it from the from Florida

72:43Georgia he took it from him give to me or I break Nick you're talking about hair you need cuz I I've never forget the article I was reading about Iggy in the Stooges and Iggy Pop Some you know he was on drugs whatever put glitter all over his face and uh he shaved his eyebrows put glitter all over his face and he went on stage and then it was so funny the guitarist goes and that's when we realized why you had eyebrows cuz he was sweating and all the glitter was getting in his eyes so he would like JP like it's like oh so he's getting glitter in his eyeball in his eyeball cuz he shaved he thought it' be cool to shave his eyebrows it's like you don't think about that till you get it that must be brutal glitter in your eyeballs holy how do you clean that out he's igy po you do whatever he's probably still in there is he still alive yeah he's touring right now is he

73:27he just made a new record that guy I'd like to find out what he eats he's got to be on a ketogenic diet he's always super L you know he just you know Josh Amy from Queens of the Stone Age yes he just did his new record with Iggy Pop yeah wow it's a new igy that would be amazing it's it's really good see they're they're a great example Queens of the Stone Age are a great example of a band that's really hard to pin down like say what do they like you'd go ooh man I don't know they they've got their own thing going on on man there's certain Queens of the Stone Age songs where you listen to like a part of it and you go oh that's Queens of the Stone Age you know what I mean you just know look at that there they are yeah bam Iggy Pop still looking good the guy's always shredded I always wonder like is that just from running around on stage does he exercise I saw him once when

74:09they the stoes reunion I've never seen a guy give it he was better than Jagger I thought i' never seen a guy give it as all like that he still rocks rarely hear people talk about him look at his look at his skin he's like a leather B book that they find in a cabin the summon demons at that age still giv the middle finger well that's important never give up on the middle finger it never gets old how old is he I don't know he's got to be but he's in that ageless area where he did a lot with Bowie and he's got a how old was Bowie mid 60s what does it say Jamie doesn't doesn't say does it say his birth what no come on son go to Wikipedia it says his birth what does it say over there how dare you 1968 what you trying to pretend he's a mystery you usually it pops right up on Google and it just doesn't but you just can't assume that it's not out there he's almost 70 right

75:02yeah he's almost 70 that's a you know people still rocking out almost yeah he's an animal that's crazy yeah it was cool the queen like you were saying like you know queen of ston does whatever the they want I'm sure there was no one who was like there's a bunch of money for you go producing they're on a label right aren't they no well they're on an indie label oh are they yeah I wonder how much influence an indie label has on them no cuz they can do what you know well that's that's the future you don't need people anymore and it's also the people that were there they didn't exactly serve the best interest of the work you know the people that are making these pop songs like you know they put together a band like Mano or something like that why Mano what did I come up with that I kind of like that who remembers them do you remember but you know like okay like um Millie vanil

75:49or something like that this perfect example of just a creation I mean they weren't even singing the real songs right that's just a creation get two handsome black they were also the only ones who got busted there's millions of those you think so there's a lot of people that got busted that didn't that they did the exact same thing as they did absolutely I mean how did they get busted they got busted cuz one of the guys um Found Jesus I something like that I think but he he came clean he said I can't I can't go up there and S and perform these songs anymore really wow and he just came clean must be like I hate and money I'm pretty sure during one of their concerts their playback skipped and they how they well that happened to what's her face on S live too yeah I I'm looking it up right now I think there's video of it but that happens all who's the girl who

76:31skipped on the girl who's the sister the girl with the giant tits yeah so they're trying to say that's how my brain works by the way that's how your brain works but that's but you know what I was talking about right in a second Jessica Simpson right you given me a a name I wouldn't have known her boy what a body that girl's got good Lord that's a perfect example why someone should stay thick I've seen her lately is she married yeah she's married some football player dude no disrespect sir but if you watch the uh why the I make this record if she's already married yeah there's other ones like that that's a that's good stock that's good Southern stock it's probably from Canada where is she from Texas Texas that's what I'm saying bro I knew hey would I I think I'm doing some am I doing dates and there were some Texas dates up there I hope so how dare you not well we're going to do

77:17the I I do know we're not doing Southeast until they want me to wait till they'll be Southeast up there where you how come you waiting they wanted me to wait that one actually I listened to people on they said wait till school's back in cuz a lot of younger you know all those SEC schools you know Kentucky Alabama Georgia that makes sense right you got to be in their town and also I didn't want to do too many dates at one time cuz my voice will go and also I just don't I'm not doing those giant I want to go for a long week and come home I can't do it I'm too old I can't do those long tours I hear exactly what say how how long do you you only go out for long a couple days at a time yeah I don't go I don't do these Duncan does though Duncan's doing a 30-day tour right now he's a man he's a maniac he got a bust the whole deal I don't do that I did it once it's not fun

78:02it's not enjoyable was it fun the for at the beginning or no the shows were fun but uh it's too many too many days where you wake up you stare at the ceiling you have no idea where you are like where am I I'm my friends you know all my friends who are musicians who do that just like especially now that we're getting older and the young even but it was crazy even when they were young we were younger I was like man you're living in the dream and they're just like I know I'm supposed to be enjoying this but it's just not fun one thing that helps is to do it with people you really like that helps a lot there's there lots of stuff that helps but there's still you know when you're a kid you're just like oh getting up getting playing rock and roll playing country whatever it is sounds like the ultimate life and these people have not having fun doing it well they also should get a real job and

78:47remember what it's like to have to go somewhere every morning oh no yeah and work all day for someone that sucks it's just easy to get complacent and it's easy to not feel gratitude I used to SP I used to do spend my Summers as a farm hand back in Kentucky yeah what kind of farms well mostly horse Lex there's a lot of like rich who just buy these giant they're not like really working Farms they're just like they build themselves Kentucky Derby type yeah yeah they just like you forget that with with horse racing it's one of the only Sports where the owner is like the main guy so you can I've made billions I've always love horses like you can win when the the person they put on the screen when the horse wins a Kentucky Derby is the owner right so you can that's a something you can buy yourself into it you're like oh I've always love hor the Kentucky Derby the owner the rider not

79:36the No No the jockey but I'm saying you don't know the jockey you know you know who the owner is right isn't that is weird right it's the only sport where you know the real the I mean but he's not on the horse but he's winning and he didn't train it he has a trainer didn't do a damn thing they show the trainer they show the jockey they show the horse but the real person they interview is's the owner so you buy a big farm in Kentucky has some dumb ass like me like weed eat or whatever the did you ever read the Kentucky Derby is decadent and depraved oh I yeah Hunter S Thompson another Kentucky guy who's a hero of mine the best he was the best what a what a barbarian he was insane he was the best there's some pieces that he wrote to this day I I'll read I go Christ I still think um uh uh you know fear and Ling is one of my favorite books of all time fear and

80:22loing is outstanding and you remember when they did that thing where Johnny Depp read the passage that he talked about like the the change that was coming in the 1970s and how it all pulled back and that he saw it all happen I mean he was the perfect guy to capture oh in the the movie was great Johnny Depp was the perfect guy but I mean hunter was the perfect guy to capture cuz he had been in the 60s and Berkeley during the acid times and you know the Timothy ly and the the Mary pranksters and all that he had been with those guys and the Ken kees and then when it all pulled away and everybody just got locked up and went to jail and the war on drugs and all the things happened he saw this death of the American dream and he put it so eloquently and then Johnny Depp pretending to be him did it for a scene in that movie and it's sensation Wonder too if it's CU Johnny Depp's also

81:11from Kentucky I wonder a good friend of his they were friends and new from this if you're from the same place and your friends it kind of probably seeps into you a little bit but certainly helps and Johnny stayed with him like when was doing that movie he stayed with him for a long time he lived with him but that book is a perfect example of like real just first of all laugh out loud funny the funniest you've ever read how about the opens up but so he can really he goes deep emotionally you forget he goes deep in that yeah it is a great book it's that's his well between that and there's there's a few things that he wrote like small pieces that he wrote too that just go there were some pieces right before he died uh that he wrote I think it was on ESPN website that were like kind of predicted the whole world that was going to happen yeah that was when after 911 yeah check

81:59out those articles man cuz it was he he it was almost like he checked out cuz he knew what was going to happen yeah he saw it well he was also like a serious alcoholic to the point where when he was almost dead you couldn't even understand him anymore he would do shows he would do like um Conan or not Conan he would yeah he did Conan he did Conan actually was one of the worst where they went out shooting they went to Woody Creek and they went shooting and Hunter was hammered the entire time they're shooting guns in Colorado and you literally can't understand a word he's saying well he would get up and just get up all day he was so up though that it was starting it was like he had poisoned his brain yeah you know what I mean like he he had also been on serious pain pills because he had hip replacements I think he both of his hips went bound and back then dude when they were doing hips

82:48today like today like those hips weren't so good like today they've got it down pretty good where I've I've had some friends that got hip replacements and they don't feel any pain it's amazing it's just they they repl this this socket with artificial socket he used to be that used to be the old thing it's like yeah major surgery you don't hear much well I dude Graham Hancock was in here six weeks after he got a hip replacement and he was walking without a limp I was like how is that possible and he's like it's crazy and Graham was like in his 60s right how old is Graham I think he's like maybe 60 at the very least he's in his late 50s and got a hip replacement I remember when old people used to get you know had to get hip replac it's like how you do they were about to check out yeah man and it was an ugly ugly ugly operation when they did it they'd saw off your

83:34femur and screw a bolt in there and it's like there was a rod that had to go deep in your bone and your bone has to take over that rod and how old's Graham 65 so he's probably 62 or 63 and he goes hip replaced and 6 weeks later he's walking without a l it's crazy that's a I mean yeah they're I have a buddy who's a Jiu-Jitsu guy he's in his 30s he got both his hips replaced in his 30s and that's just from just just training so how long ago could would that would that surgery take you out 10 years ago like you couldn't even do it really yeah 10 years ago you'd be done and everything after that you'd be done you'd be you'd be in like real problems well what's a guy cuz I watch a l as any Kentucky and I watch a lot of basketball that guy Paul George uh is he the guy I'm thinking about who he he broke his leg something awful last like he was like they were like his

84:27career is over and I think he had like a good se he did well this season like he just it was as if nothing had happened his bone came out of his leg those are dangerous too and he uh didn't he is picture of it sure it was during te I can't look you guys you guys look at it but you oh my God he's back now Allstar allar and this is not this is Ain five this is last year right two years ago and he's an allar this year that's incredible his leg just snapped but now you know they they have all this way of healing things they use all sorts of different methods to accelerate healing they're just they're getting so good at it doctors just unbelievable at it now it's it's this is incredible time to be injured you know if you get injured now they just they fix you in a way that just wasn't available like I have two replaced acl's but I have a buddy of mine my friend Steve who was on the ski

85:21team the US ski team in the 1980s and he's a badass skier in the 1980s and um his knees are devastated he's had and I would actually have to call him to confirm this but I know he's had more than 20 knee surgeries after how do you go through that he's an animal he doesn't give a guy's crazy yeah he's in his 60s he still fights he still goes to the gym and spars he's thinking about competing that's it's almost like going to the dentist at that point like getting a haircut or something he's just an animal this guy's just there's certain people that like pain is a nonf factor to about functionality and movement what is that that's the OHA look at it poking out of the skin right there holy Jes oh that was was that the Louisville guy yeah wow you that's hardcore dude you know how hardcore that is yeah I felt for the guy and I hate l so that that means it's serious

86:12W that is serious it looks like it tore through the skin and all the muscle and everything too like that is a serious cast remember that happened it was live on television they were worried about that um with the the Octagon they're worried about that ever happening you know only breaks we've seen on legs and arms have been non-compound breaks but I think when it happens like that guy just had it it becomes more problematic because when it breaks the skin you have all this possibility for infection that exists it gets real bad well I remember uh them really fast going over there with a towel and covering it up cuz it was on live TV and they covered it up so like well that's cuz they didn't want people to see it probably right that's no that's what I'm saying it's like the first it's we live in a world where the first reaction was get this off TV but why not go to commercial well

86:54isn't it funny man that like movies there's every big action movie that you go to what you watch somebody die every one of them yeah like it's no big deal but if people it becomes a disgrace it's a real problem it's a disaster like if you actually watch do you remember that brown bunny movie where uh Vincent what the his name Gallow he had a movie where Chloe she sucked his dick in the movie that's the only reason I saw it yeah that's the only reason why I saw it too it seemed like the whole movie was just like getting to the like I was like blah blah blah let's get cut cut the scene why isn't it in there if I can go home and get on a website in two seconds and see all that well I think his idea was why can't we have a real sex scene like if you can have like people kissing for real and rubbing each other for real and but you know intellectually that they're not

87:43actually having sex but it's supposed to be a sex scene so if you have these two people Vincent Gallow and chloee adults and they agree they agree like I think you're attractive or I'm willing to do this or I think it'd beol to do this in the film I want us actually give you head in this movie why is that bad why so it was real it was 100% real he came on her face and everything like she sucked his dick like a champ it's outstanding it just but but it's weird that it be like we all everybody I assume has gotten their dick sucked I assume if you haven't I feel so bad for you and if you haven't put out a record like M man Non-Stop that's what happens just non-stop dick sucking I can't even put I I wish I had two dicks right now when you did that video for uh eating and sucking dick or eating and kicking ass sucking dick doesn't come in the that that comes toward the end um that

88:37audience what was going on there did they have any idea I was told by that cuz I got kind of thrown they they told just in a that you're just going to hear like a you're just going to watch a real country some a guy just seen country I didn't know that they had told them that but there was only like 15 people in there n there's I feel like there's more like 100 50 100 and they and so they were just waiting for a country song which I found out later and then when I got to even the eating they their faces dropped I knew I was this is not my best gig and then I was like we got to get to the you know the dick sucking which is going to ramp it up a notch and uh then I think a couple people walked out and like weren't too happy but I tell you what it was it's one for the ages it certainly got the out there I was amazed that nobody yelled anything out like nobody told you

89:23to stop well I think they're they were someone told me that they were I think they were extras so I think they probably lost oh like you probably would have knocked out cuz I didn't know I was walking into like a Ali G kind of thing oh that's funny I'm just there to play this dirty country song oh that's funny so they just hired some country looking people no I think they hired people who said they were fans of country music okay and then they said do you want to be a part of a music video just have a seat cuz you could see like there's a guy pun play it Jamie play it what's the what's the video called it's called Uh eating and kicking ass play play at least a second from the one on the album okay but the one I want to watch the one where the from the Ben show what what was the folling out with Ben he just he didn't even pay me for that really I play I play he

90:12didn't pay me for the music or even the appearance that's so rude but look you have the last laugh here he goes yeah what's he doing now these people in the audience they they couldn't be any better look at that I like the American FL Friday night I just got all see I didn't have a beard at the time so they're like I didn't want I was scared about get myself out there so I put on a fake go so they didn't know who his wife and kicked his ass eating and kicking ass eating and kicking ass eating and kicking ass eating and kicking these people are just not resp they don't that's what I do they don't know what to do with you that lady in the morning in the night I eat a lot of then I get into a fight look at her Thursday night I was feeling pretty good I was walking down the boulevard of Hollywood I see this young girl she's smiling at me so I took her back to my

91:16hotel and paid the fee took off a skirt I knew that something was wrong where there supposed to be a this girl had a Dawn I was hold keep going a little bit anyway I suck his dick and then I kicked his ass sucking dick kicking ass sucking dick KCK ass kick look at her Clos in her ears Lou man sucking dick and kicking ass eating sucking dick and kicking ass eating puss eating sucking dick and kicking EA sucking dick and kicking ass I love that look like little kid there um did anybody get mad at you after that was over no cuz I just went back to this trailer and I never even talk to him again um go can you go to the the version I want you to hear how what a great producer he is okay go to the the um there there's another version of that J that's just the album you just see the cover photo and then you hear the music same song Here We Go folks here's the produ produced version of

92:31it oh yeah yeah all right man more feeling buddy keep it in my yelling at the yeah this is Good Friday night I just got off work my boss man such a jerk so after work I went to his house ate his wife and kicked his ass dude I'm 12 years old I really am that's that's what happens when you don't sense to yourself you become a kid again you know I'm always like this I'm this is my kind of music yeah it's a lot well it's bigger whena that is so ridiculous I want to hear the second part about sucking ass let's cute going oh this this version is probably long right maybe fast forward to this Su dat try to find this dick Su part you're a studio you kind milk is there more verses in this one oh man I went on forever when it's your money you just keep playing and kick an eye oh so you had a bunch of these in this one not just two I like that you went right from one to the next in front of those

93:50people Broadway oh here here we go about I see this young girl she smiling at me so I took her back to my place and I P the Fe I knew supp to hear the pissed I Bor since I paid anyway I suck his dick and then I kicked his ass Su dick Pi an eye suck dick kicking that's right that's a drummer Chris on background how good does his voice sound that low voice sucking dick come ondy Su dick kicking ass dick kicking ass I'm over here sweating listen God damn it play where did everybody go play God what matter they didn't know I was going see the same thing because they didn't watch that clip they didn't know where I was going but there's this song sitting on my face it's the one that people keep requesting so they literally didn't know where you were going with that song well they knew they people there's no record I mean I me people you were doing it with I told the

95:11the producer like don't tell it's getting kicking ask and don't tell him about the oh don't tell the the other artists don't tell the drummer guitar player and the you know bass player that it's going to go to the sucking dick cuz they had seen the clip they love they loveing the song and they still like you know they still love it but you know it would be funny to uh um I thought it'd be funny to with them cuz I always just like with people you know and uh I don't know what that he didn't even get high uh sit on my face oh yeah it's a new one people are always requ listen how this is on Country man you ain't much to look at and you can lose a few you got saggy titties but tonight it'll do cuz learn a lesson long time ago beggar can't be choosing when a bar starts to close s on my face cuz I ain't too picky and my mouth you puss get sticky out that's some good country you

96:32know you tell me that's you tell me there better country music out there now right there the music is good well that's we got the the best record out there right now I'm telling you but what's good is like the the sounds are good like I like the way it starts it's like it's cool it pulls you in it's the like I said best producer best players in nation doing this and they had a blast I mean like I said it's going to I'm going to get banned from music Robo I don't give a who cares they don't you don't they're dead They're All Dead in the Water can't sell records anymore nobody sells records you sell things on iTunes nobody nobody's buying records you how what percentage of Records actually get bought how many people have a CD in their house anymore it's none it's all gone I don't even know how to get the CD onto my phone anymore I I have I have had two cars in a row we

97:19at a threeyear lease where I never put a single thing in the CD holder you know the little CD slot I've it's in two cars in a row two leases three threee leases so I haven't used the CD in six years at least you want to hear something funny so we like you're saying it's about selling the other so well selling them on iTunes people buy them on iTunes talking about like merch so we have this that shirt I gave you with the logo on it and a bunch of people were kept emailing me to uh that they I wish I had an example of it but they kept email by it they kept emailing me that we don't have fat F sizes that what the literal words I get that at higher prime8.com too people always mad at me fat fck so I go I call the merch people and I go make some fat sizes and they're like like you mean like double X I go yeah yeah they go also underneath in red letters I want to

98:05say fat size under the logo whoa and they're like seriously it's like yeah yeah if you're fat you you you know you got to wear we proud we can't keep them in stock you can buy a Wheeler walk on my on my whatever merch store you can buy a wheel walk not only can you buy fat if you're a fat you can't buy the regular shirt you have to lose the weight or you got to buy fat size every double XL triple XL says fat Size Big Red Letters beautiful and like I said we can't make keep them in stock I bet a lot of girls like sleep in them like 90s yeah I mean you should see I one girl send me a picture of her in the shirt it goes to her feet you know it's like a she put a belt around it and go you know go out for the night like it's a like a dress so you you were about that far away from quitting music there it is fat size okay only 20 bucks that's a good deal dude you were like

99:00that that close to quitting music and now everything's happening no yeah no it was this was here's this is it this is my parting song I'm going to play my final show and we're going to I'm going to go back to Kentucky live on you know Farm try to you know you know had X and all that kind of and I was like this was my parting has you know like a like a game show or something and then I got a call like actually it was before it came out they're like we we we think it's going to sell and I this man my manager is a piece of dumbass but he's like and he was about to go on move on to other find another job himself and then it's it's you going into the studio not giving a putting out an album about how shitty your life is and how everything's gone to and not giving a what people think this is the one that's going to work you know so he called he's like you're you know it's sell like like

100:01I said we had a bunch of pre-sales too like I guess on iTunes you can buy it before it comes out cuz so we knew before that week they like the pre-sales like you're not The N he my people called Amazon and iTunes to thinking there was a mistake on both of them like how can cuz we only put out a couple s songs on YouTube how ises it selling this much like is a decimal point in the wrong place and Amazon asked for a new shipment we didn't even have the C we had to go print more we made like a thousand or something are you going to do another one yeah you going to keep going no I was the thing is I was going to quit and now it's like that you know well this seems like it be fun to write this too well that's why it is well that's the whole point is making music and writing songs is supposed to be fun and when you write from the heart and you write from without censoring

100:49yourself the unfun part is trying to fit that your nasty thoughts into something clean that's where it becomes unfun do you think you're going to do a musical video for which one of you queer is going to suck my dick um I'd like to we're talking to um Spielberg about it right now but I don't know if he he wants to do it it's just a budget issue right now what where do you want to do it what California want to do it in like Santa Monica well it's up to him I think you know maybe i' I'd love to do it in Europe somewhere somewhere in Europe would' be good yeah like real Euro gay guys yeah I mean I want to do it the right you know that's that's a song you don't take you don't take that lightly you do it the right way or you don't do it there are different kind of gay people in Europe right what do you mean they wear better clothes they're like you mean a higher class super

101:34quaffed yeah probably I don't know the ones they wear makeup they wear they have their hair done right maybe we'll do in Europe do it yeah Bruno thing you know remember Bruno yeah yeah Al G um that's a funny movie Aly G's the best but I heard his new movie like people didn't dig it I saw it did you like it it was pretty I mean it was it was funny yeah yeah um but it was it was the problem is when you compare it to the he does you know you can't compare a move it's like the other wasn't a movie this is like it's just a real it was a funny it was dirty you know it's but it's a it's actual drama comedy you know it's like a comedy it's just like a comedy yeah fil it wasn't like right ground you know it wasn't like you're living it you know like Borat yeah I think I was so ridiculously funny it's a problem cuz it's so rid and it's he'd have a really hard time doing that

102:27again it's almost like to do that he's got to not do it for years and then people forget about it and then go back in and do it again he uh he did something at the Oscars this year he would like presented an award and I guess he had to agree to not do any sort of thing he was just going to be himself but he snuck in his character using his wife and did it anyway and it was a okay funny bit you was funny someone have you seen this clip someone showed me this was my brother actually showed it to me he did got this Charlie Chaplain award did you see that thing it's Charlie Chaplain award it was year a few years couple years ago he they gave him this award for um you know ComEd there's like a Charlie Chapin award for like greatness and comedy or something and he did this bit I don't want to give it away if you haven't seen it but it's it was a funniest thing I've seen you find that

103:17yeah can we watch it I don't know if we could play it or not I don't it's it's got over 4 million views we'll get P go look it up it's on the B well tell people what is the title of the video again it's uh Sasha Baron con kills presenter and accepts award extended I guess I just gave away theia Awards on BBC America can I tell you what what happened then or you want or do I ruin it for him you probably ruin it for everybody well but do what you want to do man that's what you're into but check out the video it's really okay I'll definitely check it out it's a good time for crazy you know it's a perfect time for you to come out with this album what I say every every day is the new best day for this crazy because every day people give less of a and cuz I mean the honest truth is you know I met the producer and I talked to Sturgill and I said you know I asked

104:06about the you know CU he the only guy I knew who knew who knew Dave I go and I go what's you know is he cool he goes he don't give a hired right there you know like don't give that's in these now days that's the ultimate compliment you can give me about anyone and he meant he meant it as a as a compliment too and so right those are the people you want to hang out with all I care about is people you know I'm sure your audience knows but there's people out there who think that the phrase don't give a is a neg you know like I don't care I care too much that I need someone who doesn't care about the other it's changing yeah that phrase is changing it's now it's a it's a different thing now like not giving a was like you were an idiot or a loser oh he doesn't give a he's a dummy but now it's like I don't give a yeah but now yeah exactly listen I could get banned from

104:52Nashville I could get but I don't give a cuz I'm making the record I want to make well it's just amazing that that's how it worked out you know that this thing's taken off because you just said it let's just go all in and I like I said this is like the perfect time the perfect time to go all in it's and I hate to bring it back to you but I'm here but you didn't do the podcast to get listeners you just want something you wanted to do just did it for fun you did it for fun I did this record I was just like I want to do it for fun I that's when things are good man when you you actually enjoy like that is making me laugh it's actually the opposite which is I assume no one's going to ever hear this so I'm just going to go all out so actually got kind of not scared but like when it went debut like I said number nine on the billboard country charts out selling

105:35all the big boys I'm like holy what the do I do now cuz then you got to double down and make it even go even crazier it's hilarious yeah and then that's when cuz then they're like you know you're real is does he walk it like I he talk it so I get on my Twitter and I rip r on Nashville rip on the music business rip on all these and that's how you're getting banned I'm getting banned by I don't so these Florida Georgia Lon guys they got mad at you they they blocked you they blocked uh so there's a new guy I don't even remember his name he blocked me too I got blocked by um this uh who's Megan Megan Trainer is that her name Meg trainer she's she's not country she's all about that base is that song she blocked you she all I said I just she you know those promoted tweets that are on your thing right I said get this off my page and then got blocked that's not

106:23much to block me promoted tweets are sneaky as aren't they I know but it said promoted tweets so I go I seen this tweet 18 times today I get it she got a new album yeah um I don't mind like a Instagram promoted Instagram thing because I feel like ah go ahead you know I'm getting it all for free we're getting it all you gotta get money out of this somehow no no I listen I was I've done I don't think I did a promoted tweet on Twitter but I've done it on Facebook and and like half the comments are like get this it's the same thing as me but I don't block them I got to take a picture of you while you're here speaking of Instagram bam legit bam bam yeah I got to do it too hold on how do I do this don't you know how to do it we got we got to go take a picture together we'll do all that man I just wanted to get a picture of you in the moment that's my new thing

107:10I get someone in the middle of the podcast no posing before the podcast this actually this conversation's going down right Jamie yes that's why we started doing the pictures for the podcast and we used to have this pose which I always felt was weird I was like why don't we just have one what in the middle of us talking and use that and that way you could see what a mess this place is too it's chaos to my left here got a picture eating and kicking ass eating kicking ass trying I can't that's a catchy goddamn song eating I think you is the catchiest song I disagree I'm telling you eating kicking ass makes me sing all day long I sing that all the time eating kicking ass it's different strok everyone's got different favorites yes Different Strokes for different folks it funny too cuz you never like when you make a record you it's like I didn't I thought about not

108:08putting that song on I was like people have heard it on that other show before I was probably not going to put it on the record and that's one of the people you know there was couple songs that the ones that people like the most were the ones I was like I don't know if I want to rec probably happens in comedy too like I don't know if this jokes yeah it's kind of like a a throwaway joke and it ends up being getting the biggest laugh of the show you never know when you actually write something out that's what's funny you know you you write things out and you go this part don't work that good and that part gets this huge laugh and you're like oh like it's weird it's weird what people like you know some songs I mean it's got to be there's some songs that you don't think are your best songs and people will pull you aside like with Sturgill it's that you can have The

108:44Crown song yeah he hates that song man I'm telling you dude I listen to that song all the that song is one of my alltime favorite songs and he doesn't even like it it happens all the time yeah I mean like well the title track redneck I try to talk he finally talked me into recording cuz it's my demo you know cuz it's weird because it's your song right so when someone's telling you that your song is it's like a and you're telling them it's not it's like a weird argument you're arguing about yourself I go let's try it and it was so good that I put it the the title track first track on the you know like he was right you know right but that's why you need that second voice sometimes that's redneck is a good one too it's like a good introduction song to what you're doing and having it be the first song of smart because if someone listens to that then they'll get

109:26hooked and then and then by the time they get to eating and kicking ass they're already in well that's what I've noticed if you if you look on iTunes later like every country record on iTunes it's all five stars because everyone who buys it on the ratings they all buy it they know what they're getting they love it I'm the only one on there like literally it's five stars one star five stars one star and I and I promise cuz it's like this is not what country music is supposed to be you can't curse in country and and I'm telling you right now those one star are selling my album way more than the five star they're tell what was like from that private parts you know it's like the I'm paraphrasing but the five star people are telling Three Friends the one star people are telling 20 friends you know and they're the ones getting the word out yeah because I don't know why they think it's

110:10so no one I love I love country music so much you know and those My Heroes so much that I hate to see what's happening to it and then those who listen to this dog pop rap garbage are you on at me then I'm disrespecting country music I go this is country music you know if you don't like I can if you don't like the word or you know that's fine that has nothing to do with what I'm doing but if you think that it's not not legit because I'm cursing or talking about sucking dicks yeah or like there's family Tre a song about uh my girl uh that I like her sister better but then I all you do is you just add to you know it's like I'm dating this girl but I I want to her sister but then of course I take it a step further you know what you I'd rather your uncle and your dad lick your dad's ball you know then you go crazy and it's like Jesus you're not you don't really want

111:03to do that but it's just funny to think about it so then you go record the song and of course you know the players and the like what the are you saying about but it does make the point I mean there's a song on here called can't you off my mind how many like it's just like it's just can't drink you off my mind they used to say now it's like I you've been through that everyone everyone's had a heartbreak but you know and you try to some other girls to get over it and you're all you're doing is thinking about the first girl try to a bunch of girl and it don't never works no it works you got to the right girls well I the wrong ones but if you the right ones you don't even care about the other one well you but don't you think that's something people can relate to at the very least they can't saying about that and another thing too is one mainstream press especially except for a few places

111:49pretty much like there's no reviews of it really anywhere but one guy wrote a review I thought was pretty interesting he actually used that Florida George Line as an example um I wish I remember who it was it might have been a Blog called saving country music I think that's what it was and they used an example of a Florida Georgia Line lyric that was like in you talking about sticking my pink and your St it was like kind of talking he was saying the article about how like these mainstream guys who talk this dirty but Co sugarcoat it and little girls are hearing it what are they saying you stick your I don't know theual I don't know the actual lyric but it was kind of gross but that they do that to have it censored to have it not to have it be played on the radio so they can make money what I'm doing is much better cuz I'm saying this is for adults the CD I

112:35mean the CD and the online has the sticker on it adults on you know parent advisory don't yell at them they're the ones trying to give it to kids this is for adults I'm saying that since the don't don't worry about the criticism man I'm I'm just happy you're doing it no he was he was saying in a positive way by the way but I like the Bel Buckle too by the way you should sell those yeah well I think I lost it people would buy those you should have that wheeler Walker belt buckle you know what's cool what tell me talk about that shirt too is that just a a single W right well yeah they didn't I want to make I want to make a ww Jr well you need a a a big r or something yeah I need an R um that that shirt was made for me by the uh in California by the nudy T you remember nudies those old nudie suits that they used to wear in the 60s you guys remember that nudies it

113:26sounds there's this guy I think he was I think it's Ralph nudy he used to he made the suits that you would see in the old western movies how do you spell it and Di like nudie magazine yeah and he would uh make these nudie suits at like Buck Owens and people like that well what happened was they used to be in the old westerns um these crazy suits and people like Elvis or Johnny Cash used to watch those Western they go they started calling this guy there he is Ry Orbison yeah who's that his name is is it Ralph NY yeah Ralph NY so these these people like Elvis or Johnny Cash Hank Williams even they would call they're like I want a suit like they wore in you know whatever western movie and then he started making clothes for uh musicians Dolly Parton's there who's that dude right there Barry Klein who's Barry Klein is that paty Klein's dad I don't know there's gr

114:17Parson nice Cadillac there um anyway but I guess his granddaughter or somebody kept it going and I they they reopened in La for a little while I think they're back out of business I I'm not sure but that's an actual nudie uh shirt wow made for me I had to get tailored and everything that's pretty godam record that's amazing oh yeah there it is I love like that nudies Rodeo tailor Hollywood California put the credit inside too yeah so those are they still around well I think they're bringing it back yeah oh they have T-shirts they're going red Ed Hardy on you they're going to have glitter it's going to be glitter on those t-shirts anyway called the Taylor and they made me that I just wanted that I wanted that label in the back the new Co I love things like that you find out about they got they got a museum yeah it was cool cuz I just looked it up like

115:04what I did was I was that's what's great about the internet cuz I looked it up I was like this the kind of shirt I want for my record coat and then I oh I want a nudie shirt I look it up all a sudden I see their website and I look at it and you can get one made by you know it's just there just I don't want one like it I just want I want it no that's cool yeah it's interesting he used to do that he used to like soup up like Elvis's cars and really yeah nudies did a bunch of car where you would Elvis had a souped up car yeah but he what they did those suits they would do it to a cars like horns coming out of it glitter and all that yeah look that's hilarious look at this thing there's that that's a famous that's that famous Elvis suit he made that he made Elvis a gold shiny suit yeah what is the one with the car though go back to that car that's hilarious it's Elvis had imagine driving GI

115:54Cadillac if it's not Elvis who's it say that's a n car might be his was it his car I don't know maybe it was so he designed I think you can go there's a museum around here somewhere you can go check it out I wonder if that was his but that that's why is there a rifle look at there's a rifle back there you're allowed to put a what there a rifle going car he got two rifles on the sides but one of them that's in like a firing position to shoot at people behind you well when I make what the is that man if your fans I I'll make a promise right here if I get to number one I'm wearing that I'm wearing a nudie suit non-stop for a week week a whole week actually I take it back a year a year a year I like I like a year one I'll tour I'll tour with an i cuz that NOS n suits cost five grand I feel like people are just finding out about you I feel like this just this

116:43ride has just started for you well that's what happened like I was saying when it debuted so high I went home and I was like that's crazy that debut so high then you get hungry you go home and you're like I'm even worse up their ass I'm going to go I'm going to tour I'm going to do the video I'm going to go for it now well people there's I think a lot of people don't even know about you yet I really do you know and hopefully with this podcast and with some other podcasts and all the YouTube videos and between the yeah you helping out and you I appreciate it again coming on the show I had a blast man come on man it's fun I love it and I love that you're a fan you know I love that there's places like this where I can talk about it I love that there is too I don't even know it happened I wish I could say that I planned this whole thing out I this is all total dumb luck yeah you you have

117:25anyone who I've anyone who happens to upon my record if they find me I just I mean you got the you know one of the biggest podcasts in the world but even if just I've done interviews people just like I like the record will you be on my podcast and we got like 30 I'll do it if you're that big a fan I don't give a oh that's cool of you yeah yeah well that's going to change though once you run out of time those yeah gonna get too many people it's gonna be Joe Rogan only soon but uh there's a lot of other cool ones you got to do like Burke ker and and do as many people as you can around town yeah while I'm here not playing Coachella I may as well do the whole round it's hilarious that Coachella thought you were too risque yeah I would love to see you up there you know I think it is you I think part of it is it's like in the kind of I think it's cuz it's country and they

118:11it's just so weird to hear and also when it's it's not as loud so you every all the bad words are so clear you can hear it so well like when you sing you can really hear it I just would love to see all those hipsters that are just going to the cool thing like people are like we're here for the cool thing we're going to Coachella going be amazing that's the whole that's sucking dick it's it's it's funny you brought that up no but seriously it's I'm glad you brought that up cuz part of the the point of this record too was to piss off everybody I wanted you know my redneck friends back home I wanted them to get pissed off by this I wanted the hipsters to get pissed off by you know you know like there's something to piss off every body so the goal was again talking about thinking no one's going to hear the goal was to make sure nobody bought it right I did everything in my power to

118:57make sure no one would listen to it and I think maybe that's the that's the the key you know CU there's something to piss off everyone on here but it's just it's a hilarious idea the whole idea behind it's hilarious but I think people get that it's re you know it's you can't make music like this that sounds like that if it's not coming from a real place you know I think yeah I mean I and I think this this kind of stuff I mean it's going to sound Grand and ridiculous but I think this ushers in the future because it's proving you know that people like a lot of stuff that it's you're not going to get it from these mainstream purveyors you're just not going to get it from they're not going to risk it they're not going to put the money out for something like this because they can't sell it to their radio stations they can't do what they normally do they don't have a place for

119:42it they don't know what it is so then you come along you do it on your own it takes off like a wildfire and now now they're scrambling like like you must be getting a lot of mainstream music producer guys and Executives that are coming to you trying to get in on this oh totally and I tell you know what you always got to remember what the like we talking about don't give a you got to keep that attitude or you're going to fall down the you know drag you into the put you know then it's going to be like and listen I like money we all like money but they're going to go hey if you T down a little bit the next one we can get you on whatever you know we can get you on MTV or CNT or whatever it is and then I'll go and they're like you know that'll be 10 times the money and and then you know I'll think about it don't get me wrong but I just got to stick with listen I

120:27think they're wrong though they might it might be 10 times the money right now but I think in the future dude this is going to be giant I don't give a if it doesn't be sell much because if I'm not doing it the way I want it then I'll be miserable but because you are doing it the way you want it it's hilarious so like what what kind of people you don't have to name names like what kind of people have come up to you and have tried to get in on on this what kind of music executive type characters um I'll say and I'm talking about country stars and Country exe in music Executives I won't name names the biggest of the biggest and I I I I'm not going to name names but I'm talking the biggest stars in country of contacted me you know well a couple different things I've heard through the Great Vine because I don't I don't travel in those circles but some people who really love it some

121:15people some people in not a joke joke have reached out to friends of mine who know me making sure that I don't on them because I talk about everybody and they're like could you tell him I'm cool so he doesn't on me and a couple people have come of the some of the big boys and I'm and some of these I wouldn't even mind name but they don't want it's funny too cuz I have some fans who are literally the biggest country stars on planet Earth who won't say they they're until it's becomes okay to say it they're not saying it right now they said it to my fa I've literally met them and they said it to my face but they won't say it anywhere because they don't want to lose their fans like once it becomes if it becomes mainstream which I hope it doesn't but if it does maybe it'll be cool you know what's mainstream though who the knows I mean there's no mainstream anymore mainstream used to be

122:03radio and television nobody gives a about like The Tonight Show anymore being on a Tonight Show for a band does that mean anything anymore they were they were talking to me about that you know cuz one thing you do is play late night shows and they're like they ain't going to have you I was like I don't give a but do they mean anything anymore no it used to be if you did like the Tonight Show like you but then once it it changed in like the '90s like it started going away in like the '90s and the 2000 they were telling me that the numbers that I even they're like you can't do obviously those big talk shows but they're saying it don't those numbers don't it's not going to move the needle yeah it's better your podcast your podcast is going to move need a lot more than any talk show I guarantee you that that's bizarre well you know what I don't get I hope

122:42I'm right but I think you're right all right but I'm almost positive I've heard it about books and other people CDs positive I'm positive I'm right and I know Sterns played it a couple times you know like that shit's so much bigger than doing a a Tonight Show or you know whatever those shows are which listen if I'm if I'm in town they want me to play I'll do it but they can't have me on so it doesn't matter well yeah they can't have you on and one of the problems with those shows is like say you know no offense to any of these guys but say if Conan has someone on a show that's a baned I don't know how much input Conan has or like maybe The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon how much input does he have on what the guests are I don't know Letterman I was told was the one who really did like was liked real country he was that was always the place where like act like

123:24isbel played there you know like he would and Jason Isbell also is on Independent label you know like it's hard for him to get on but with Letterman given the approval you know he can get on so some of those guys have like some power like Jay Leno was talking to me about this like that he hated when he was doing this Tonight Show and he'd have to have some guy on from some TV show that he didn't give a about and he had a pretend that he cared think you'd think he he'd be in a position to wasn't he was doing the main shows but that's why is because it was so mainstream he had to be like right down the middle like non offensive but now he's doing his own show he's doing that Jay Leno's Garage have you ever seen that no good dude you get to see what Jay Leno's like Jay Leno's on my TV for 20 years I don't know what he's like he's a great guy he was in here uh he did a podcast with us

124:08he was hilarious he was talking about the doing a show for the mob and he was uh talking about this mom and I heard jeno scream you it's it's bizarre like seeing him scream you like whoa I I remember hearing stories you know cuz I obviously have so many friends or musicians but like who they'll be playing a show and they're like oh somebody canceled on the this is years ago cancel on The Tonight Show if you can get out to LA to play a Tonight Show you can do the show and whatever we and they crunch the numbers and it costs it's not you know moving a band is so expensive right and they crunch the numbers and it's like it wasn't worth their money to play like how crazy is that that's crazy we become a band a small band it's not worth the money to play The Tonight Show you won't get enough return on your money in far as far as I sales they were saying that

124:56it was 40 Grand to play cuz with you're paying the musicians the crew the trucks everything and driving all the way out there was it's like you're not going to make 40 Grand in record sales so justd in the old days Z you were saying one play on that and you're playing Arenas yeah I was talking to Paul Stanley about that when he was in here it was real weird talking to him because Paul Stanley of course was a huge superstar in the 70s and it was all record sales and as a matter of fact they couldn't get on the radio you know kiss had a really hard time being on the radio they were sort of kind of blackballed on the outside oh yeah but just because of the love from their fans they stayed valid of course and they sell them lunch boxes and Dolls weird man I mean when I was a kid like a A Kiss song on the radio like it was a moment to be excited oh my God they're playing kiss

125:41like as a kiss I think the only one they ever played was Beth which was weird because that was the drummer was a big one but they played Detroit Rock City occasionally you know or I want to rock and roll all night that they play yeah play that in Kentucky Detroit Rock City i' heard on the radio before and I remember being blown away like whoa I can't be definitely not taken seriously yeah no they weren't taken seriously but they're a great Rock and Roll Band by the way that's is that the best idea you put you become the biggest rock band ever then you put the makeup on go out and do whatever the you want nobody knew who they were yeah I met Ace Freely when I was like probably like before I was less than 10 somewhere in that area uh my uncle used to work for Howard marks advertis which us to make all the album covers in New York City oh no way yeah and my uncle

126:23Vinnie was an artist and so he would him and this guy Dennis that he worked with would do these album covers kiss like Destroyer oh that's a killer cover oh dude like some of the all-time great ones they did KISS um kiss double Platinum they were so so I would get Advanced copies of this when I was a little kid I can't even imagine what getting an advanced copy of a record was when you're cuz oh my God I I don't think I would have known what an advanced copy like you probably look at that my uncle was involved with that and he was involved with a couple other ones man is that the name there's a name there on I don't know who the a guy who did the painting was might you know I think they hired someone to do the painting but their what the advertising agency would do was design like the inside of it like graphic design put all the photos in place and decide how the

127:07font would look and all that stuff it was really cool so when I was a kid he would send me these posters my mom just had them recently I the these when they had their solo albums you know they had an individual Alum I had the actual posters from yeah yeah yeah I had and each one I think each record was dedicated to the other three right well I was it that's on the back it was like you know it's like dedicated to Paul uh Jean and you know they had some creepy ass songs yeah jeene Simmons had Christine 16 but no then it came back around and became yeah you got to watch that now you got to watch that now you couldn't have a song about a 16-year-old that you have to I've got to have you Chris I got an idea for album too what is it I'm not going to don't say it hold on dude just take a take a breath I know what you're going to say I talk you talk me out of it no

128:00no no no there was a couple of good songs though from the soul albums Back in the New York Groove that was a good Ace Freely song Oh that was from this his solo record yeah yeah back in the New York Groove was Ace's solo record was the best of the solo ones really yeah I don't remember them that well but I remember liking that one the best I'd have to go back and listen to them again remember they did a little disco for a while like I was made for loving you they went disco for a while you people make fun I kind of I mean looking back it was it's kind of good at the time great song I love that song Yeah o yeah I love that disco that was so shitty you listen to now it sounds everything in in looking back it was like now the music's gotten so shitty I mean BG sound like the best band you ever heard well that's what's interesting is I think they were unjustly criticized like if you listen

128:48to their style of music um they had some really good songs the B's had some interesting songs I could I could name you I mean I'm not going to do but there's I can name you 20 killer BG songs and that's other thing too you know it's important it sounds like you're you're with me so yeah you got to listen to all kinds of music I love all kinds of music the people that make the shitty country that we were pointing out before all they listen to is pop country that's all I listen to people I was reading an interview with Prince once and he was I don't remember exactly what he said but he's talking about how much he loved um James Brown later in the interview he talks about Joanie Mitchell how much he loves Jo Mitchell that's how you become Prince right when you love James Brown and Jody Mitchell because it's two completely different things and then it comes out through Prince as some

129:32but if he only listened to James Brown it just sound like a James Brown ripoff it's the other the folk music and the weird they he' listen to that made him such a yeah man I think music is a lot like everything else like I like Variety in all kinds of different foods I like Variety in art and architecture and I like Variety in music it's interesting to hear like more than a woman that is a good song that BG song that's a good godam and when you saw it in that movie Saturday Night Fever like it's it's a great try try not dancing to staying alive that's right that's what I'm talking about you know that's a good song great song that era people were looking at that like okay we have this instead of Leed Zeppelin this is what replaced the doors like what the is this and then you get older you realize you can listen to both kind of what happened to like I was talking

130:18about for with me and all my he's like when you got into rock it's like wait a second whan and John Lennon aren't that far part it's m they're much closer together than like you know what's playing on the radio right now yeah yeah that's they're all coming I mean Wayan used to play with Buddy Holly that's how he got to start no yeah he start I mean it's the most famous story of all but he had a he was supposed to be on that plane Dwight Yokum was probably the first guy that was a a real country guy that I was a fan of I was a fan of Dwight he kind kind of crossed over a little bit yeah you know what happened he's a Kentucky boy as well a lot of great music from Kentucky huh yeah but he I always thought of him as a Kentucky guy and he is but he actually had to move to LA yeah to make it he he was in the punk scene out here cuz back then what like wearing a c dressing like that wearing

131:06the cowboy hat and playing kind of old style Buck Owens country was thought of as as crazy as it I mean he wasn't playing you know punk music but he he was an he was kind of an out right Outsider you know in that was thought of as like a weird thing to be doing it seemed to me that what he was doing was like an Ode to the classics you know it's like he was a I thought he also put his own spin on it too 100% 100% but you like it reminisced of like really great country music of old like he was obviously a he was a huge fan of that music and he I feel like he was one of the first guys who um brought that old sound back but kind of got some you know got airpl you know a went mainstream with going back to the old guys yeah like that ain't that lonely yet song and guitars Cadillacs and hillbilly music that that was a huge well I guess that was the inspiration track too beer

132:03weed cooches and Hony ton music but he was like a guy that you were allowed to like it's like you allowed to like him as a country person it made you like a you know the 90 like you were talking about changing so fast even the like you look back at mainstream country in the '90s it it sounds like raw field recordings compared to what we got out there right now and like it's changed so much so fast that like actually like this the kind of what mainstream Allen Jackson Randy Travis that sounds like like down in the dirt like it sounds like blue like a gritt yeah it sounds like jug bang what has happened could you imagine if Johnny Cash could watch those guys like throw in their hands those hip-hop hand signs the perfectly quaffed outfit buying jeans with rips in them people always send me these you put that RI in or did you buy no this is ripped yeah no

132:53that's real yeah I swear I wasn't going to wear this okay um no I paid 100 for that um no people send me memes all the time of that that's what it's called so they they put like they'll show a picture of whan is a place I don't know what it's called it's like I've gotten a hundred of these put picture of wh like Florida georger Line uh-huh yeah I think I pissed there once and I've gotten that Meme I've gotten a hundred of them find that but there's a hundred of those guys like you know rolling in their people love making those cuz there like there's an audience for that still which is great well shooter talked about he had that song they should Outlaw you that was specifically about that like these fake country guys like these especially fake Outlaw guys about what his dad had to go through to make it in country his dad was a I mean a real Pioneer and a a

133:42a rebel in a lot of ways like he did whatever the he wanted to do and it worked and that s became like super popular and way Way's the king you listen to whan records now the best it sounds like it was cter yesterday amazing it sounds it hasn't aged a day and his son and Shooter's weird too man because he he does all kinds of strange music his new album is uh Kos it's like almost electronic and it's killer ker well he's he's another guy that just wherever his hair blows back one of my favorite guys this guy Billy Joe Shaver who's like SE he's old now he wrote a lot of there's a whing album called Tong Heroes that Bailey Joe shav wrote every song on it's my favorite Wayland record and Bailey Joe's still around he just put out a new album last year and it's great and um the first song's a duet with Willie Nelson it's called hard to be an outlaw and the song is hard to be an outlaw when you

134:34ain't want it anymore wow so it's him who was actually part of the outlaw movement which I'm not CLA I'm not part of that you know I'm I'm just here have you know doing what I do what is the outlaw movement that was the 70s when they the equivalent of you know I don't know you know but you're kind of Comedy you know I to me it's not even that funny but like people listen I'm just I'm just singing like I see it you know I fight and fart so you know but it's there's something there's it's funny it's obviously funny obviously I'm laughing right people are laughing at so I don't get mad when people laugh but it is very Outlaw in a lot of ways by the method you're going about putting it out no but and but I to defend though like I see how you don't want to claim it cuz it's like an iconic name like Outlaw country like guys but those guys were that was when pop that was when country

135:21music which by the way that country on the radio then sounds like I said sounds great now but it was a lot of strings and got really Lush and then people like wh Willie moved out of Nashville moved to Austin started smoking weed and said I'm going to do it my way right and it's and that's what kind you know that kind of thing and Way's like you know get the strings out get all this out I just want to play me guitar based Dr you know just back to the basics so they were really pushing the envelope you know way more than anything I've ever does Nashville have any I mean how much of Nashville is like real music and how much of Nashville is like pop now um like when you're there it's really it's so funny because like I said most of my family is from Nashville so I went there all the time growing up and it was really almost not a ghost town but it was just like a it was a

136:06kind of had a small town feel and you but you would see Crystal Gale or whoever it was on the streets and it but was known it was the center of country music but it was it was not um a flashy town and now it's the place it's it's another Hollywood it's where people goang but it's real recent right it's within the last I went there's a the part this the new the Silver Lake which is apparently the hip place here the Silver Lake in Nashville is like called is e East Nashville and I don't think I'd even ever been there as a kid I didn't I don't think it was just slums and now it's you can't get a place there it's so expensive so it's got gentrified totally like how many years ago this happened if you bought a house there five years ago you're swimming in it right now yeah because I started going to zany in Nashville a com Club I started going there I just want to say like maybe 10

136:59years ago I started going there maybe bet it's way it was way different to way different way different I mean these places now like they have those spotlights that stream the sky and they'll have like some grand opening thing or some press release thing and you'll see like these tour buses and Paparazzi and like what is going on that's the thing too is when I was a kid you know my I had family who was friends with country not CU they were in the business it's just if you're in town that's what a lot of people do you know there was never no Paparazzi I have I know people there you know when you buy when you you got to like warn people where you're going and do this that's why I'm hoping people like Jason or sturge will kind of turn people start moving there for the right you know make the right kind of music but still there's got to be some that are doing that right there are some

137:44but I mean how many of them are these quaffed up bands with the hair gel almost all I mean like wallet chains yeah I mean but you hear it how many sturg come into your podcast you know sturg is a rare dude he's a rare as a shooter they're they're rare guys but but we're really naming there's listen there's way more of it than you think but those Jason ISB bels and sturgills and and don't like a guy like that when when Sturgill puts out a CD and then people find out about it and people Aspire and then they they want to be like that and then it sort of gives birth to more people like that or more people who can express themselves yeah but what it never it's almost like Nirvana you know remember when they came out it's like oh the old it's time for real rock and roll to they K poison yeah exactly but all that it ended up doing was bringing out a bunch of shitty Nirvana copycats there was a

138:33lot of that there was a lot of that and there's going to be a lot of Sturgill copycats coming out soon and they're not going to they're going to be doing it cuz they think it's going to sell not cuz sturg did it cuz he want he had something on his mind that he wanted to sing you know it's going to come out the wrong way so well there's there's always going to be the guy that pretends to be the guy that you love yeah you know like there's the guy those are the ones who sell the records sometimes or host the TV shows or do movies or you know whatever those are the guys like you like go this guy's sort of inauthentic like something's going on but but when someone is authentic though he could tell right can't you tell like sturg you can tell listen to that new a sailor's guide to Earth come on man that's the best record of the Year by far it's sens I'm saying that

139:14with mine right in front of me it's Sensational it's so good yeah well it's it's it's weird how it all flows together too it's like that's a magnum opus is that Magnus you know no one would go into a studio and make a record like that hoping you know thinking that's going to No sell it he did it because he wanted to make it and you got to he's got to have it's very rare that you're going to have a big company that sells records that has the wherewithal to let a guy like that go just go do whatever you want man I think he did all I think he produced it himself and did everything I think he did all himself do you know honey honey he did he did you know what's funny um my first ever La gig the guy the guy produced my record the band after he produced the band that came in right after our left was honey honey and uh they heard my record in the studio and they're like next time you're

140:03in La why you open a show and I'm like yeah sure so I played a few songs with them acous and they came out in costume and backed me up for a couple songs cuz they had the record but it wasn't out yet right so that was my that was my first La show ever was open wowow that's crazy oh that's right you're friend you're you're yeah real good friends with them we've done a bunch of shows together oh no way yeah no it's funny that was my first La show with honey honey yeah they did New Year's with me last year oh no way yeah we did New Year at the wilter in La how big is that it was big couple thousand people that's crazy yeah it was Joey Diaz yeah honey Honey's last album was great Ari and Duncan yeah it was awesome they were amazing they're really good man and does it what is this that's them that's them that's them backing me up honey honey engaging they have

140:54uh she has a beard on yeah I think that that was that was that was a sign of things to come when people want to dress up in costume when they're back in me when they're on station me they don't want to be seen I think I should have seen that as a as a possible sign that maybe I was doing was a little bit out there well what I was going to say about them was they have this song um and I used uh part of the song on my um the music for it with my Comedy Central special the opening music that's all from them that's all their music and it's this song called punk kid and they can't put it out because they made it they spent all their own money making it but the record company wanted it and so like when the record company hired them to do a song or do an album they wanted the punk kid song and they wanted it for free and they're like no but we spent all this money on that song This is Our

141:39Song we wrote it you can't own this like you can't you can't own the song when they tried to and they said no so that song is like out in The Ether so they have to figure out what to do with that song going to hold on to it for a while I will say I did learn you know being around the music business much I had I knew I'd heard all those stories that's crazy that's why I bought my ma why I own my masters like you can't do you can't touch this they don't you don't need them anymore if I'm quoting a hammer you know well you don't need them anymore I don't like what we're talking about about distribution you'll get more distribution from doing this show or more people hear about do this show guarantee you it's going to get crazy and from doing mine and do Adam Corolla and do everybody else's Stu played it the other day maybe dude all these guys will do it you can get on

142:21Joey Diaz Joey will have you on Ari will have you on Duncan anybody who's around will have you on and it people hear about it this is the new it's a new time man it's a new world and they're not trying to you know it's I'm just happy it came you know that I'm here now cuz like you said 20 years ago this album would not exist it would not exist but it exists wheeler Walker redneck go get it yeah I also I think it was someone said it was the first C album to chart on the country Billboard charts with a bad word really no no country charts no country ever charted with a bad word in the title redneck eating kicking ass that's one of my favorite songs dude I'm tell you I'm not going to lie I put the smile on my face I'll be listening to this at the gem by the way there's a download code in that too oh there is so you buy the vinyl you get a download code dude I want to pay I want

143:12to buy it on iTunes well this guy you want buy it too yeah he's going to n bucks make him buy it I'm giving up he's been how much it cost n bucks that's what normal that's a normal album cost right on iTunes n bucks that's good whatever the normal I didn't Sturgill had the number one song and the number one album last week yeah I think his album's boom yeah and that and that's keep M too he spent half his time taking out I don't know if that's true I really don't think he's an assassin I think um you should go to a doctor I'm telling you you look just like Ben Hoffman too it's so weird well I I like I said someone said I look like Zack Galan I don't that person's an that doesn't make any sense at all but I don't want you're both handsome but that's ridiculous it's just a beard thing I guess but why would say someone say you look like Zach Galan AIS you have different color hair I think

144:00people just saw a beard people are stupid right people see me doing this and they're just like he can't be real so they're like he's got to be somebody oh that's it and then also that video you with the fake mustache do hurt things yeah it doesn't help well whatever him listen if they can't take a joke right wheeler Walker Jun j.com you and uh go to iTunes go pick this up thanks sir that was awesome for good time man it's a lot of fun I hope you had fun cuz I did eating and kicking ass folks we see you tomorrow M how was dud that was great