Josh Zepps

00:04and we're live Josh zeps I didn't even notice and then I took a sip of coffee and then my mouth was full of coffee perfect I didn't realize it's all right dude should have had a countdown to five or something instead of three well Jamie was doing this thing with his fingers yeah he was I saw him over there at the periphery of the corner of my eye I wasn't sure what he was doing was it a countdown was it a wave gang signs gang signs that's his gang Jamie in the JRE gang throws up them 3 2 one will you teach me after the show Jamie some of the signs can't after the show you can't even talk about it dude sorry keep it on the DL first rule of JRE gang you don't talk about J perfect time to have you in because the world is literally about to go crazy what's going on about to yeah there feel like it has it says the bubbling I think we we think it has but here we are in this uh

00:50wonderful Office Park in The Valley in California and everything's fine you go outside there's birds chirping so the whole world hasn't gone crazy it's true but there's spots that going crazy Yale has gone crazy you pay attention to that the student absolutely I did my whole show about it last week on my new podcast which we're going to do an episode of after this I'm very the new Josh zpps podcast what was it called #e the people live if you search # people live it's we're so like down with the hip social future you got to get with it Joe I do hashtags are something I only use like in justest you know yeah well this is sort of inest it's it's h and Chic it's also a cool way of like if for people search for you there's probably a bazillion we the people lives podcasts but there's only one that's going to start with a hashtag so you put in a hashtag and our will pres be the

01:36first to come up I use it for the UFC only like hash UFC 9193 if I'm talking about like an event yeah do that but hashtags are interesting because if you ever go to hashtags you ever go to like hash black Twitter yeah I never do it Jesus Christ giant thing smile on his face that's where he spends 23 hours a day well you know how sometimes sometimes you don't need to go to them cuz they to you when you say something then you get taken out of context then you get picked up by some blog and then all of a sudden like all over the weekend I've been getting all these tweets just out of the blue about what fascism is I was like what who are these people and why are they tweeting at me I don't even know I didn't even know that I said anything about fascism well it's cuz Brit Bart picked up something that I did on a segment on H Post Live last week and wrote something up about it

02:21about how apparently I implied that Donald Trump was a fascist which I actually didn't mean cuz I don't think that he is but and you now all of a sudden I'm in the hash like I'm part of the hashtag about fascism without even choosing it I believe that most people who use the term fascist or fascism don't really exactly know what the term means you're totally right so let's help them out right now let's find the official definition of fascism cuz I think most people get it wrong fascism means an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization so people use that there's other definitions of of course but Extreme right-wing authoritarian people use that for a lot of like non-fascist reasons that's true and I probably used it sloppily myself in the context in which bright part was picking me up and they would have a point if if

03:13I did come across as saying that Donal Donald Trump was a fascist but all the people who were tweeting back at me were saying fascism isn't right-wing you idiot it's leftwing it's leftwing socialism is the real fascism you don't even understand the meaning of the word so I just responded with a with the a link to the Oxford dictionary which also includes the word rightwing in it like yeah yeah it's Mo mostly considered rightwing but people are using it in the left-wing circles now or or about leftwing circles cuz they're using it in the authoritarian context that is I I think that's applicable because a lot of what is going on in like really extreme social justice left-wing type organizations or groups is that they're trying to control behavior and they're trying to mitigate criticism like you can't criticize these Concepts because these Concepts are supported by you know

04:01social justice and I've got an interesting study on that that I wanted that I brought for you which you're going to like and before I get to it I want to I don't want to forget what I was just thinking when you were talking about how here we are in the valley birds outside ch ch ch ch ch ch Sunshine trees it's a very good that's a very good birdie Joe thank you practice that all day give a smell one no one here again I'm going to put that as my ringtone ah do it dude you'll never hear you your phone just put up really really loud um so I was in Beirut briefly a few months ago and was standing on the rooftop of this Swanky Hotel looking out over the Mediterranean and looking out over the the houses and I was like this is like an idilic beautiful part of the world in terms of its natural beauty and I could practically swim from here to the Greek Islands how people are basically right

04:57the refugees and I had just been in the Greek in in Athens as well which is like geographically physiologically Italy Greece are the same as all these up parts of North Africa and Israel and Palestine and and Lebanon and not to mention Syria and I was like just struck by how capable we are of things up as people because the actual geography is the same like those waves are the same waves as the ones on the Italian Riviera the Italian Riviera is the Italian Riviera and this hole is this hole through no difference of climate or Sun or the birdies are still there the birdies are the same but religion and politics just has an endless capacity to to screw things up yeah you could call it religion or politics but it's really just power it's human beings trying to achieve power and you could do it through whatever modality you choose but the the reality is it's just people that

05:56are trying to control other people and trying to gain I think it's in particular tribes trying to control other tribes and politics and religion make you much more likely it make much easier to be tribal much easier to not be an individual sorry but sort of but isn't the argument against that what we were just talking about in terms of social justice Warriors and and and people calling people fascists I mean that you're you're you're in a tribe if you're on the extreme left or the extreme right you're in a tribe you know when you talk to right-wing people they're almost incapable of not bringing up liberals or the Liberals think they don't just bring up their own Concepts and their own thoughts they'll immediately disparage liberal ideas like immediately well you're you know they'll tell you well you're a liberal you know you you believe in this and this and

06:42that so you're a liberal and they'll like immediately like downplay your ideas that's a tribal thing absolutely that's politics it's religion as is and social justice Warriors will do the same thing they'll do the same thing about I mean out my you know the first the first time I came to your attention was with that interview with Su suie Park the cancel Co right Anders still one of my favorite when you just broke it down to her you're like this is so unbelievably stupid and you could tell she was just like devastated that you you even had the balls to question her to people who hadn't haven't seen it she wanted to have have the C Bear report canceled because apparently it was racist and I didn't interview with her on half Post Live Well not only that it was a joke about well for people who don't even know the show Cole bear plays a character he plays an extreme leftwing

07:32kind of Goofy character excuse me extreme right-wing kind of Goofy character and in that context of that character he made a joke about racism like about it was a joke about racism and in that it was a funny joke too do you remember what the joke was yeah I do it was it was Dan Snider who who's the head of the Redskins right who was saying that he he so that he didn't have to change the name of the Redskins cuz it was racist he was going to set up a a charity for Native American causes and Steven colar in his right-wing Persona said that sometimes he'd been accused of doing jokes that could be considered to be offensive about Asian people so in return He was going to set up the ching chong ding-dong foundation for sensitivity towards orientals or whatever or whatever and she found that offensive yeah not really I don't believe she really did I think she found

08:23it it was a green light for her to attack and to use hashtag activism and to get on some publicity there's a story that's making the rounds today a Kansas City University Professor who in a class um about racism a discussion about racism and discrimination she used the word and in using the word all these students are trying to get her fired right and she's been removed of her duties right now she's been temporarily suspended under review or whatever their process is but in just saying the word not saying someone is like this is a word that people have issu let's discuss words that people have issues with what are the origins of these words why are they problematic what is you know what what can be done about this I I'm not sure exactly what the context of her class is but they I'm sure it I'm sure the context wasn't let's go around accusing black people of

09:15being NE absolutely not absolutely not but this is the same kind of thing I don't believe anyone in that class was actually hurt by that well I think they they found the green light and they attacked yeah don't we learn what to be offended by yes so it's possible that someone felt like an initial kind of reaction of oh my God I just heard that word and I've been told that that word is completely unacceptable under all circumstances and I've been told that I'm allowed to be offended that's and indeed ought to be offended yes and so like I was amazed by the power of that word when I first came to the states cuz only here is does do we have this dumbass word the nword like that that that phrase yeah I mean I'd never heard that until I came to the states in Australia it was completely unacceptable to ever to ever use the word neger against somebody you would just never do

10:09that I mean I was taught since the earliest days that racism is terrible but you could talk about it in polite company I mean you if you if it came up you would be able to discuss the existence of the word and nobody would ever say the nword but you guys have racism towards Aborigines that's pretty that's pretty real over there this is another it's not towards black people right no that's right but there's there's there is a much much much bigger awareness of the kind of tragedy of the original sin of what happened when Australia was settled than there is here towards Native Americans I sort of regard Native Americans as being the people who really been screwed in this country I mean not to not that it should be a competition of like who right you know whose suffering was worse or like I'll put my slavery up against your genci that's right that's right cuz I

10:57always hate it when when we get into those games but um no nobody even talks about like in Australia if you go to an awards ceremony for example if you're at the Grammys every single presenter will come up and they will Begin by saying I want to start by acknowledging the traditional owners of this land the yadai people uh you know they'll they'll they'll at least give a kind of politically correct nod to the fact that we occupied a country and basically wiped out an entire people and you know you'll see Aboriginal flags flying on Parliament House alongside the Australian flag what the I don't even know what the native flag is do they even have a flag I don't believe they did I mean well they didn't I mean noted Aborigines back then they had some symbols you know they they certainly had symbols that were indicative of different tribes or different regions

11:41but I I don't I don't think they had Flags I could be wrong no but I mean Aborigines didn't have Flags origin didn't even have metal so yeah right okay I mean they were at the time when the British settled Australia and I always get accused when I say things like this of you know by politically correct social justice Warriors of imposing onto traditional societies a an idea of human civilization as being better if it's like industrialized than if it's not industrialized right because I'm like a white man who like totally thinks that like the 21st century is better than the 15th century let me help out because it is better yeah they have we have computers and the internet we have books we have a lot of things that are better than Like Flint knives so let's just having said that you're such a white you're such a white man Joe uh having said that if you think about like the the traditional

12:29anthropological conception of human evolution going from like the you know the the discovery of fire and farming and then up through the the Bronze Age and the the Iron Age and so on aines when the BR when the British settled Australia were the least Advanced civilization in the world by far I mean we're talking a m and again I like the the politically correct part of me has to keep qualifying they had been around for over 100,000 years so they were doing something successful like it's only been 2,000 years Jes well that's true rabbits are doing a good job Joan did you just compare Aboriginal Australians to rabbits I did in that context okay I like I like I like you for that because I like analogies and I like being able to accept analogies without thinking that the person is saying that the two things are the same in every respect yeah cuz I always get

13:20pulled up like I made a Hitler analogy the other day about I was talking to who was it Donny Deutch do you know that guy yes um and uh he was talking about how he likes Trump and and and I made some parallel where I was like he was I was simply saying that like he was like he's popular he's touching a vein I was like yeah but is that the only reason to respect somebody Hitler touched a VIN as well and he was like he got all outraged on the air at the fact that I would like say Hitler he was like you can't do that like how dare you I'm Jewish and I was I was like I was not I'm not saying that Trump is the same as Hitler you idiot I'm saying oh Christ I'm saying that the Criterion by which you were judging his success is flawed and I was using an analogy to do so well he should be you know he should be ashamed because he's doing the exact thing we're accusing the

14:05extreme left of he saw green light and he went after it that's right and he had does he really think I'm a Nazi sympathizer or that I'm like on and then so then I was like hey my grandmother was in the concentration camp so don't pull a juk card on me and then I just moved right on yeah yeah Donnie so anyway yeah aborigin didn't didn't have like metal on stuff that's no they were I mean they were extremely primitive so far removed from we what we considered to be Advanced civilization that Australia felt it was okay to actually take their children and adopt them and this was recent this was in like the50s yeah you know until o you know until 1969 Aborigines were classified in Australia as fora whoa in other words they weren't consider not Flora there might have been a couple of Floral aboriginies they were mostly like in the same category as kangaroos no you couldn't you couldn't

15:03kill them you couldn't no but I mean they weren't officially classified as for it's just that they weren't classified as human like they weren't considered to be people in the so like you can't kill a chimp either yeah wow that's up so it's a recent thing but there it's come a long way in the past 15 or 20 years now I think there's a general consensus that that we really them over I hope so they can't steal their babies no m i mean no matter not to defend it but this was at the same time that Jim Crow was going on here right I mean it's not it's not like we were enlightened our well our forefathers were enlightened in the 50s about race yeah well everybody was pretty up back then I think it's very difficult for us to understand in 2015 what it was like in 1950 cuz I think we assume that they should have known better they should have been like us but 100 years before them they were

15:55Cowboys that's they they had horses and trains and that's it and 100 years before that they didn't even have trains you know and 100 years before that I mean you're you're in the Dark Ages yeah I mean you're the 1500s 1400s you're a few hundred years removed from gask Khan It's so fast and it it's like I don't remember whether I've spoken to you about this before but I was when I was in Greece on the trip that I was just talking about um I was standing at the you know the Acropolis and I was expecting to be wowed like all tourists are by oh the sheer age of this thing oh I'm at the birth place of Western civilization and instead what I thought was I'd actually just been back to New Zealand cuz my grandma died she was one day shy of her 100th birthday damn almost made it 99 and 364 days so she was just born premature she would have had that you know I mean when you were born

16:49it's so arbitrary they they induced labor yeah that's a good way of thinking about it if you take her from like the the third trimester oh yeah she made it she made it from the quickening yes she made it from the her soul made it mhm yeah 100% uh and what I was struck by at the Acropolis in the pathon was not like how old human civilization was but was like my grandma her lifetime is a manageable period of time in my brain I can think about that in a way that when you talk to me about something that happened 50,000 years ago it's just meaningless and when you talk about the size of the cosmos or a lightyear or something it doesn't like I might be able to understand it intellectually but it just washes over my head I don't know what I'm talking about but the lifetime of my grandmother that's a manageable span of time I can imagine her life years yes and you know what this Acropolis at the

17:37dawn of Western Civilization before humans had even invented anything that we would recognize as being civilized in terms of laws and procedures and Technologies that's only a 100 of my grandmas yeah yeah how about this or less no sorry it's 40 it's it's 100 it's like 4,000 years it's 40 of my grandmar Jesus was 20 of my my grandma's yeah a nuclear weapon my grandma was born during the galipoli campaign in World War I Hitler wasn't even a name that her parents knew when she was born the depression hadn't happened the bomb hadn't been invented let alone computers how fast are things going pretty fast like how recently was it over the span of geological time that we were monkeys effectively monkeys they believe 200,000 years ago human beings were in this form they believe but it it changes depending upon the fossil record like when they add new evidence like they just found uh

18:36like within the last couple weeks they've recognized a new subspecies of human beings an ancient subspecies they found a giant tooth so they're they're they're finding fossil records that pretty much pretty much coincide with the established belief that people are 200,000 plus years in this form like you could take a person from 200,000 years ago they'd probably be considerably smaller than us cuz they didn't get a lot of food and you'd put them in a movie theater and they would look just like you or I maybe worse teeth yeah long as they kept their mouth shut you know we showered them trimmed whatever weird hair they had you know I me they're probably just very strangely hairy but you know obviously in the fossil record we're not getting too much it's very rare they find skin and hair so they're just kind of guessing what they looked like on the outside but they

19:22believe that about 200,000 years in this form give or take 100,000 years so that's pretty Racin more like give than take yeah it's not really give and take what's most what's most sort of frightening to me is how recently technology has become as powerful as it is especially nukes and superimposing technology that was invented within the lifetime of my dad think about what we just said just that if what's crazy in call 300,000 years ago 3,000 of your grandmas yeah that's it and we're monkeys yeah just 3,000 like a a good size uh theater show yep like you go to the Chicago theater that's 3700 people that's a good spot to look at those people in that audience if you get a full Chicago Theater 3700 people MH if every one of them lived birth to death just stop and think about that that's that's that's crazy it's incredible isn't it that's crazy it's crazy that's 300,000 years

20:29and you don't even need to go that I mean you don't even to go that far before the kinds of lives that people were living and the kinds of concerns that they had to concern themselves with were so parochial and they knew so little I mean even just back to the Middle Ages I mean think about having 50 of my no sorry five of my grandmothers get us back to the middle ages five of them that's fuing crazy 50 get us back to before we had before the pathon God I mean we are we are hairless Apes who just just now just right now just happen to have discovered the the atom amazing technology the Chicago Theater thing is really freaking out that's a good one I like that I love that that one's freaking me out because that's monkeys I mean we go back to like we're basically like the the the scene in 2001 where're around the monolith that's what we're talking about

21:21that's what we're talking about so how many people how many people do you fit in a big Stadium 100 150,000 something like that 120,000 like the uh the place that we did in Australia for the UFC I believe is 70,000 people and that was enormous was that the mcj that was um edad edad uh they CH they've started sponsoring everything since I left so I don't even know what that would be now cuz edad I don't know wasn't a big Airline back then was it in Sydney or Melbourne uh Melbourne all right it' probably be the uh the cricket ground right formerly the probably it's got a retractable roof yeah that's right yeah it was the site of the biggest UFC ever and it was 70,000 people and that's an enormous enormous place but they football places like Jamie you're a football fan what's the biggest spot uh I don't know if it's the exact biggest Ohio stadium in Columbus where the bucke

22:04guys plays like 110 they can fit in there 108 officially thousand what is that like when it's filled that must be insane it's super loud uh the way I mean the way they have the sound going into it's a little bit it bounces off each other but being in it's so it's it's insane that's what got to be what the Coliseum was like in half half like but there there's crazy people they're drunk as yelling at each other yeah D and there's fights all over the place I've been to huge stadiums that are like 100 110,000 so let's say 100,000 Stadium right it's a big place but if you do use your analogy your Chicago my grandmother analogy that's 10 million years oh my God what were we 10 million years ago we were rodents well when did the dinosaurs die out 65 million years ago apparently we were a type of almost like a shrew looking rodent that's that's what we were that's the current theory that's

23:01that's what really makes evolutionary deniers angry you know the people little rats you telling me that I was a shrew one Ohio State football game f people ago I was a true the crazy thing is that the the the science deniers the evolution deniers are the ones who are more monkey like than the ones who believe in science true that was old Bill Hicks bit is he just do thing about people being uninvolved the people that don't believe in evolution are the most look the most unevolved exactly yeah that's right yeah well it's it's too hard for us to I mean we're sitting here we're not science deniers and we're looking at the age of your grandma 100 Years and we're just going back a few grandmas and we're like man well this is the first time I've been Amazed by that though because I although you know when else I had this feeling was Richard Dawkins uh has this

23:56cool analogy where he said says imagine he's talking about how CL Evolution denies I keep wanting to say climate denies anyway Evolution deniers will will talk about how there are these gaps in the fossil record right and how like well what happened to the species that were interim species in between the species that we find Richard Dawkins tries to make the point the whole concept of a species is something that we sort of retroactively superimpose onto things because lots of animals because the vast majority of animals die out and don't manage to succeed in this world vast majority of mutations fail but he says imagine getting a book imagine getting a picture book like a high school yearbook and it's got your photo in it on the last page and the page before that is your mother's photo and the page before that is her mother's photo and the page before that is her

24:45mother's photo right and you go back and back and back and back all the way back to the first Dawn Of Life hundreds of millions of years ago and each each P page is going to be is going to basically look like the page before it there's never going to be a point at which like the Shrew becomes a monkey right or like you know some amphibious creature becomes a shrew every child looks like it's parent but as you flip through the pages of this book it's such a thick book that over time like one of those little uh Cartoon figures that you could draw and it looks like it's moving on the page you just start morphing back back back back back until eventually you're a fish right but well you know your great great great great grandma is just adding enough greats yeah and that's what people don't understand it's just has to be a really really really really really big book

25:39well our concept of time is just it's just too hard well look at it this way look at the changes that a person takes over the period of their life look at a person from you know think about a child and then turn that child into your grandma before she died that's a very different physical looking thing as age sets in yeah sure you know I mean like there's a lot of changes that go on in nature like the the growth of animals death of animals the plants and things along those lines there's all all sorts of growth and death and all sorts of changing and while we're looking at it in a static form you if you go outside and look at those trees they look exactly the same as they looked yesterday and it takes a long time before you recognize like oh this thing's growing I'm feeling that I'm feeling that myself kind of for the first time like my birthday yesterday

26:27and uh I've gotten to that age where you know I don't even really care about I didn't really know I like when I booked this trip I didn't even know that it was my birthday yesterday how old you yesterday 38 that's when you start denying it I'm 48 so you really start denying it denying what getting older I'm not even paying attention to that that's not even important to me why I'm concentrating on the present I live in the moment Joshua you know it's easy it's a comforting isn't it well when you get to be like 78 you're just like what do you do I mean what are you going to not parale because you're 78 you know what do no that's right but I think the the most it is true though that like you know age is on the inside cuz I can feel that now at this age I just have to do a more work not to feel crappy when I'm when you're 22 it's just everything's great your body is just

27:18automatically functioning exactly as it should now like my ankle will just occasionally hurt you know that didn't happen when I was 22 I remember I actually remember the first time in my life when I was out of a car and as I got out of the car seat I went I was like what the was that did I just grunt as I was getting up I never grunted you know just a very small like just to get out of a car seat wow yeah but you know just like like you might it's not a big deal it's just like a young a teenager never never just leaps out of the car seat where an old person gets out of the car seat going it's a good point I I noticed when I for the first time just did a little yeah it's like I'm old I'm getting old you got to exercise welcome to my 30s yeah that's the other thing is nature is trying to kill you and nature would like you to give in the same Decay that you see in animals and the forest

28:09and what have you who would like you to just accept the natural process but us in our clev little minds and figured out how to mitigate that process at least slightly with exercise and nutrition and proper rest and supplementation hormone supplementation going to the doctors and new inventions and cryo therapy and all this crazy that people figured out how to just just put the breakes on this inevitable demise I know we're living way too long for nature nature loves us up until we're in our late teens early 20s yeah but by now I've been like I've been common sperm for decades Nature's like you must have had kids by now right you must have too much information I think everyone can everyone can figure out that I've probably been able to come since I was a teenager you may be gone tantric you might be one of those dudes TR to keep to come inside them and re re

28:59rorate their body they do that is that a real thing do they can you actually consistently orgasm over a long period of time without coming the problem with all that and I'm sure I'm going to get tweets about this is everyone who practices it is a lunatic so so you don't know cuz you haven't you haven't actually tested it out yeah so if you talk to them you know they'll tell you yes I completely come inside I come internally I absorb I reabsorb and the energy that I get from that is so much more amazing than the energy that you would get from from an external orgasm and then they just get like really into talking you about tantric and they get annoying you know I mean do they do it is it by Contracting that mus the the muscle that starts with a P whose name I'm forgetting between your balls and your and your ass no there's a there's a particular muscle there which

29:43apparently if you if you learn to build it up like been doing exercises throughout the day then you can it will compress and it will push against uh the whatever the that tube is called I'm I'm really medically Su today the dick tube so it's like a male kull right that women do have you ever seen that Russian lady that can pick up I think she can carry like 32 kg with her it might be more than that it's like more than 70 lbs I believe she can I haven't yeah she has this ability to like I guess they put like a ball and then attach a string to a ball at the end of the string is a weight and she puts that ball inside of her and just locks down on that and then can literally lift up like 70 lbs of weight it's impressive I've been I've I've stood I've stood at one end of a strip club and had a in Bangkok had a tie stripper fire duts from the other side of the room out of

30:40her and pop a balloon that I was holding over my head wow and she was she could fire those things with such aim I don't know why I was so stupid cuz I could have gotten taken an eye out but what kind of speed are we looking at speed I mean enough speed yeah speed like what she must have been a good 10 m so maybe 30 ft away from me oh my God and she's firing them across the room fast enough to be able to pop a balloon with accuracy with accuracy that's insane now how is she doing this do she have like her elbows to the back of her knees and she's got her like her up in the air no she was standing up I'm trying to picture exactly what position she was in yeah she was sort of kneel kneeling and like standing kneeling away from no sorry not not kneeling bent knees standing upright and with a Thrust of the hips boy shooting it out what bent knees standing up facing you

31:31facing me wow that's crazy that doesn't even seem like this that's like shooting a gun in the air when you're pointing it at the ground that doesn't even make any sense how did she do that she might have had her hands on the ground to be honest Joe I wasn't focused on her position I was focused on whether or not she was going to take my eye out I had my eyes closed most of the time well if she had her hands on the ground now it makes perfect sense so she's like a table Yeah table sitting upright yeah how's she getting the air to launch that thing I don't know that's what's confusing about that there was so many things that she was doing like they have all kinds of Tricks they have all kinds of there were ping it started out with ping pong balls you know all the classic things also razor blades oh it's not pleasant isn't amazing what people will do if you're confronted with

32:16a a town filled with drunk tourists who have already seen everything they've seen Muay Thai kickboxing fights where 16-year-old kids have shinned each other in the head until they go unconscious they've seen legalized prostitution everywhere lady boys everywhere everything is chaos just scooters with 37 people piled on them and what do they got to do they have to adapt adapt it's it's Evolution it's adapt or die you know you have to adapt you have to figure out how to how to how to stand out well you got to shoot a dart out of your honey Jos steps his head yeah there's I mean you you want to make the the argument that people are malleable that's that's like one of the best arguments like look at that that's not to mention like I mean I've been to shows there where there are just I I remember the finale to one show where it was like there were about I go there a lot do you go to

33:11Thailand a lot yeah Thailand is I I like to say that Thailand is sort of our Mexico if you're Australian it's it's nearby it's cheap it's beautiful uh there are great beaches um how far is the flight I mean everything's sort of far from for most Australians because Sydney and Melbourne are located on the Southeast coast of Australia so there's a lot of Australia to fly over Australia is the same size as the contiguous United States so you basically have to do the entire flight from like the equivalent of Miami to Seattle before you start entering Asian airspace but from so from Australia the country itself it' probably only be 2 or 3 hours to Bangkok it's only like an hour or two to Indonesia and Singapore wow but from Sydney then you got to add on an extra 6 hours just to get out of Australian airspace that's amazing that you guys are the same size that Australia's same

33:58size as America as far as the Continental or close to it but there's only 20 million people so you have less people than California we have half we have yeah I mean two-thirds of the population of California in an area the size of the United States if you get rid of Alaska it's a badass country I love it there how there I know you were yeah that whole upset right I had a great time I did stand up there too the P theater it's incredible I love it up there down there wherever the it is there depends on which way you go exactly if you go north you can get there you'll get there eventually the globe's round Jo yes and it's spinning the doesn't stand still but uh it's I love Australia it's an awesome country really is the people there are cool as yeah yeah Aussie are nice it's great that's the that's uh my number one go-to spot if the apocalypse happens y if North North

34:45America falls apart Australia is pretty much self-supporting it's uh Democratic really cool nice people yep lot spice plenty of animals to eat yep plenty plenty of land to Plenty of Fish Jesus I mean you got the whole South Pacific right there yeah you just can't you got to watch out for your killer jellyfish everywhere you turn you have something that can kill you that's true they have if people don't know you you got to look up this thing called box jellyfish because they have they get a bay filled with box jellyfish and they'll say don't go in the water mate the bo jellyfish are there they'll kill you instantly how do you say straight off they'll kill you straight off kill you straight off yeah and they will kill you instantly like there's paralyze you when you go into antic shock you're dead you're dead I mean some people survive if you get hit like with like one or two

35:30tentacles but you're man for like years yeah we'll don't go in the water what the does that mean it's the goddamn water but in all of the areas of of Australia for a start they're only there during certain times of the year so you were there in summer and they're not they're not in Sydney or Melbourne so you don't have to worry about them there they're only in did you must have gone up to the Great Barrier Reef or something no no no I was just talking to people telling I didn't go in the water I'm not you can go in the water and Mel fine no no you can't they they move around the water I don't know if you know it's just like it's it's all connected they could just travel to you no that's like saying that you're going to get eaten by a great white shark in Alaska great white sharks don't go to Alaska don't go in the water in Alaska if it's connected to where the

36:09great white sharks live so just never go in the water any water it's the same water but they we're talking about gigantic distances as far as we know as far as we know they don't go there but they could it's like no they couldn't they died it'd be too cold for them if you knew that the wood the woods were filled with werewolves but only in a certain time of the year would you go during a full moon no you wouldn't I'll answer for you depends on whether or not I trust what you're saying is basically like you shouldn't go hiking in Panama because there are bears in Canada that's exactly what I'm saying yeah there you go we' got a we've got a Jamie just brought up an Marine Stingers are dangerous don't swim in these Waters between October and may severe box jelly sting so what do they emergency treatment oh that's one of those they have a bucket of like vinegar you're still there's a um

36:55there's a species called the irangi which I can't remember whether it's the same as a box jellyfish or not but someone's going to Tweet me now that I've said that uh and there was a case where these scientists on the Great Barrier Reef had they were studying the irangi and they're almost invisible they're very tiny small little jellyfish with extremely long tentacles and um they do the same thing as the box jellyfish if they're not the same thing as the box jellyfish and they had they had a um like a carton a a bottle of irangi in water and they put it in their research fridge and a dude came in and drank the water thinking it was drinking water and died instantly oh my God Jesus Christ put a label on it you idiots put a skulling crossbones on that yeah there you go there's Ani that is that little tiny thing will kill you yeah what the man you guys no you need to clean your water

37:46out your water's fill with the Enemy those are murderers she get some Governors saying that we're not going to let any irangi into the country anymore yeah that is insane it's insane that little tiny thing can kill you yeah that is unbelievable but I mean it's only Americans make a big deal out of how dangerous things in Australia are mean that's cuz you are used to it it's it's like the thail lady with the pingpong balls coming out of her that's normal in Thailand I mean the the reality about Australia is everyone's we've we've managed to export this Steve irn crocodile hunter vision of Australia as as if we're all like rugged outdoorsmen who live in the in the bush in the outback the reality is almost half the country lives in two big cities and we're all sitting anding lates property and sitting on yacht and to the beach uh very few Australians live in the outback

38:37we're a very urbanized country we don't I mean America is much more has much more Regional variance and like there's no equivalent of the south in Australia or the Midwest Melbourne is uh it was incredible as far as like the food the food was amazing great isn't it the coffee and the food and the wine oh my God like they know how to live yeah we doing it right y but you can get killed everywhere but that's my jellyish the shs AR coming into the hob how about those brown lar numbers well they're not coming into into downtown they're everywhere you saw them you can find them my friend Adam my friend Adam Green Tree he lives out there and uh he told he he works uh he has a business and something involves minds and uh they'll they'll be working like digging holes and um you know uh doing stuff out in the bush I gu gu you guys call the bush and they'll just find these brown snakes

39:31which will just kill you like they bite you and you're dead yeah yeah find them actually people haven't died from a snake bite or a spider bite I don't think since all of the antivenoms were discovered in the early ' 80s really cuz every every local medical center has the all the antivenoms how long does it take for a brown snake to kill you hours oh okay yeah you've gots you got a little bit of time yep and most Australians are trained in knowing how to basically you know obviously put a torn on so that you can you know maybe you suck out the the Venom and spit it out and identify what the snake was well I find rattlesnakes on my property out here right all the time how long do they take to kill you it kill it'll take a few hours but it'll you up I've had my dogs bitten three times I've had to have them uh they go and get antivenom and for people uh if you're broke it's

40:16because you don't have any money it cost thousands of dollars for this antivenom stuff and you know otherwise you're going to watch your dog die cuz they swell up like the only way I found out they got bit was I I knew that they were barking and barking and barking so I went outside and said ah there's a rattlesnake and so I kill the rattlesnake and then U they seem okay but then all of a sudden I see some swelling on their face I'm like God damn it and so then I have to take them down because they the rattlesnake will bite them and then pull away and still be alive and then bite them again and so they their face just swoll up like cartoonish like water balloon yeah they're fine in a day or so yeah good it's just expensive um I mean if a person gets bitten in Australia obviously they don't have to pay cuz we have communism communism you know I I really

40:59get really pissed off when people talk about uh Healthcare and Healthcare in America and this this idea that somehow or another it's better to not have people covered with with medical insurance and there's always been Medicaid and there's always been for extreme exam but people have had medical issues that have put them in severe debt and this doesn't I don't I don't think that we shouldn't have private private care in terms of like the best doctors and the best surgeons should be allowed to be compensated for their Excellence I mean I don't think there's anything wrong with that but the idea that we don't have some sort I mean we have roads that are taking care of BU our taxes why the do we not have medical insurance or or medical care that's just standard and this is exactly what we're going to talk about on my podcast hash We the People live which is going to which we're going to do

41:50immediately after this because I want to talk to you about Bernie Sanders and I want to talk to you about we talk about it right now we can do it both we do it later now whatever you're freaking people out they're like what the I got to download something else but it's I I just think that a country that cares about its people one of the most important things is the safety and the health of the people yeah like okay well we shouldn't have you shouldn't have to pay for the police you shouldn't have to pay for the Army it shouldn't be something that comes out of your check like you know oh you want to call the police well we're going to require credit card no no no the guy's breaking into my house well uh do you have a a current credit card like no no no no I need the cops I mean I hear people like Rush limbo saying should we buy everyone a car yeah everyone get a

42:34car now he's a fat well I listen to him do you remember pill popping Al Franken was on was on lean promoting his book about uh Rush called Rush limore is a big fat idiot I you remember Al he wouldn't be able to write that book today cuz he'd be fat sham that's probably true actually and uh Lan's first question is uh uh that's an interesting title how'd you come up with that title and Al goes uh well for a start he's he's very very fat I love how didn't he lose a lot of weight though when he got on oxycotton taking like taking 99 pills a day that fills up a lot of holes like you know you like you think about how many 99 oxy Cottons it's a good handful of mass was he is that what he's doing 9 yeah that's not it's fairly standard for like severe junkies like it's they just start building up you know they start take two and three at a time this is why you then

43:25you then graduate to smack and why we've got the heroin epidemic that we do in places like yeah that's too hard you got to shoot it like it's really easy to swallow those pills you can snort it yeah but but you're also you're getting this inexact amount like when you just take a pill you have one pill you throw it down your fat stupid 9 though that's a he was taking a lot pull that up Jamie find out exactly how many he was taking he was taking so much that and granted this is told to me by Alex Jones so I don't know exactly if I can uh authenticate the veracity of this particular he said that that was why he wenta because do you remember Rush limbo was going deatha but he had like a real medical explanation for when you overdose on opiates when you take massive amounts of opiates it affects your central nervous system in such a profound way and it affects your like

44:16like your entire physical body in such a profound way that it's possible you can induce hearing loss I mean I have sympathy for the guy just because he's caught up in what is a Beyond any individuals sort of control like the the the problem of overprescription of opiates in America and and like drug addiction did you see that study by the way it wasn't he wasn't overprescribed he was actively seeking out these prescriptions he was in he Liv in Florida but it's an it's an I mean it's an addiction it is an addiction but he was also a massive hypocrite that was talking totally bad about completely disagree with almost everything he says I have a grudging admiration for him as an Entertainer and a broadcaster cuz I think he's so great well he speaks very confidently well he's so good at like saying at getting you into a position in which his sounds reasonable yes

45:06right and like drawing a a kind of a line of logical fallacies in such a way that you end up thinking yeah this guy's making a lot of sense what's interesting is that he was really hamstrung and and broken down when he called that uh woman a who was trying to get birth control like she was trying to get uh she birth control to be covered right by her University or Insurance some some sort of insurance and you know he started calling her a and saying all these terrible things about her but I believe she needed birth control because of another medical ailment it wasn't just I might be wrong about that but it might well either way what his argument was and it's a perfect example of what I'm talking about where he starts with something simple he's like what do you call a woman who wants to be paid for sex that's a pretty good you got to get rid of the Australian accent though I can't

45:57I'm I'm not saying I do Rush this I wouldn't wouldn't say wouldn't claim to be a Russian ladies and gentlemen a so but like he ended up getting to because his logical argument was right she wants to be paid for something that is only needed if she wants to have recreational sex well what do you call someone who we pay to have recreational sex a prostitute Jamie find out out in if you get a chance but I do believe that she needed it for an other reason there's other reasons why women take that's true absolutely like they like women with severe acne take birth control um there's a lot of uh there's a lot of other things that birth control can help but either way he's a fat and a dummy he is not there's anything wrong with being a fat some of my best friends are fat there's nothing wrong with being overweight ladies and gentlemen well there's something wrong for you it's not healthy

46:48but you know you could fix that it's hard but you could fix that just as easy as it is to get off of heroin as easy it is for Rush limbo to get off heroin he get off sugar and simple carbs and all that stupid that makes you balloon up like that maybe just walk on a treadmill for 30 minutes in the morning it's hard it's hard for people to change their patterns it's hard for people to get excited about doing something that's difficult to do that's going to be ultimately beneficial for them because it it makes it drains your energy in the short term you know you work out if you're out of shape you ever seen an out of shape person work out yeah man I've taken people to the gym that don't work out like come on come to the gym with me we'll just do a little bit of a workout and you get them on the uh elliptical machine and just go we're gonna g to do 20 minutes in the

47:30elliptical machine and you look over five minutes in they're ready to die I mean they're they they turn white like their face turns flush it's crazy it's weird to watch you watch them struggle and then you get them to the weights and they just they can't do anything they're so tired did you see the study that came out recently about um the the huge increase in the in the death rate the fatality rate of white people between the age of 35 and 50 I think it was no so there's a spike which epidemiologists are saying is as noticeable in the data as the AIDS epidemic was in the 1980s whoa and there are three causes lattes no I thought it was going to be diet right I mean like when we're talking about this I thought it was going to be heart disease or something that's related to diet and exercise right it's suicide it's booze and it's drug overdoses wow and this is

48:22the only demographic group in America where the numbers are going up well I think there there's a lot of people that live a very unsatisfying life and they got roped into living this unsatisfying life because someone told them they have to make a living that they have to make tough choices and they have to go do things that they don't want to do and then you know find a a good job with a plumbing supply company or some stupid they don't really want to do when they really want to be a musician or whatever and then they just live depressed and there's there's I think that's a giant percentage of people yeah and it's getting worse I was talking yesterday on Facebook to a buddy of mine in Australia um Jacob Stone hey Jacob I'm sure he'll be listening to this he's a big fan of yours about how but now we just start just ripping on him no that's a good is a good

49:08thing in America we call each other all the time yeah it's like if we're in Scotland would be like he's a good he's a good yeah uh but uh we were talking about how like you're not allowed anymore to have any feelings as a white man that are anything other than guilt about being a white man well first acknowledge privilege acknowledge your white privilege before you even talk about what white people are and aren't around what about nonis gendered people of color okay uh I was just listening I was just listening to uh you know Sam Harris right so I was just listening to the latest episode of his podcast where he's talking to this guy Douglas Murray who's this English conservative and Douglas is saying that uh that when the when the when the nuke finally when the Jihadi nuke finally goes off what we're all going to be talking about is transgender pronouns right it's like that'll be the

50:03discussion about whether to call them he she they or Z at the point when like real shit's going down like we're so distracted by so many little bull so many little cultural pieces of at the moment we're losing sight of the big picture I think it's cuz it's too easy to get by these people that are looking I think again it's it's very easy to live today much easier than it has been in any apartment in time and I think also it's very easy to communicate today much more easy than it has been at any other point in time and before before this era the era of instant communication if you had an idea it had to be really good to get it out there to the masses it had to be really good it had to go through editors and publicists it had to go to Publishers they had to print it people had to read it and recommend it it had to be verified it had to be excellent you know if you were

50:54Hunter S Thompson like there was a lot of jumps you had to go through a lot of Hoops a lot of ladders you had to climb before you could publish you know uh Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas today any can start a hashtag activist you know some sort of a you could start a Tumblr blog or anything and then it can immediately be picked up by also by people that also want to be outraged and they'll go on this goddamn Rampage and it's confusing as it's because it's so easy to get by it's we we we were like spoiled rich kids in a way spoil spoiled rich kids with our ability to communicate ideas I mean I think the lowering of the barriers is a good thing and a bad thing right I mean the the flattening and the the fact that I don't have to go and talk to a network executive or a radio station owner about doing my podcast I can just do the show that I want to do and put it out there

51:45is great but you're right that like we've become the Douglas Murray this this British conservative uh columnist was saying he thinks that the problem is that there's a lack of there's a there's a supply and demand problem between social justice Warriors and like racists because there aren't enough racists anymore right so like the left used to be agitated by fighting all of these big good Noble fights but the like the fascists and the racists and all the people who they wanted to bring down have basically been vanquished not now not totally but now they have to talk now they have to accuse people like me of being racist I was accused of being racist the other day because I used the phrase to call a spade a spade who and in the 1920 you got called a racist for that yeah in Harlem in the 1920s a spade was a bad word for black people not just the 1920s that's like pretty recently

52:34was it cuz not in not in Australian language so was aware even in like the 70s and the 80s people would use it a disparaging way like that the Spades okay so I'd never heard it but apparently I'm racist now so because there aren't enough actual racists to keep shouting it so they have to start shouting at people but spade a spade is a card term yeah that's right it's a term about playing cards call a spade a spade is like a club or a spade or a heart like that is so stupid did you see and also I posted something on Facebook about did you see the brewhaha about about Merl Streep's t-shirt no so she's just finished shooting a movie in London called suffragette where in which she plays emiline Pankhurst who was one of the great women's rights uh you know campaigners back in the late 1800s early 1900s it's about the birth of the the the feminism movement and in 19 13

53:27panker gave this speech his famous speech for for women's rights in which he said that the women's rights movement Will Survive quote so long as there is a woman alive to hold up the flag of rebellion I would rather be a rebel than a slave so they do this promotional thing in which here's Merill stre uh wearing a t-shirt I'd rather be a rebel than a slave meaning I'd rather fight for my rights than be downtrodden as a woman in the early part of the 20th century well the internet blew up with how racist Merill is because she's not understanding the context of that I mean there are and so I put a so there like here are some of the tweets I can't believe this is a re this is real someone said with a link to it that the word rebel is just opposed with slave in that quote just I can't fathom this someone else says someone else tries to school him says the quote is from

54:18emiline panker who said it a 193 rally for women's rights to which the social justice Warriors respond and I'm letting you know that it doesn't matter who said it the quote is trash and another person white women have said a lot of terrible things over the course of history doesn't mean you wear it on a shirt and this just goes on and on and I put it on Facebook and just said I'm glad that we're focusing on what's really important and like a black friend of mine said you know just started attacking me for being an apologist for racism a black friend of yours yeah who what black friend is this what I'm not going to name him we don't have to name him but him he he knows you're not racist that's stupid this this God damn it the problem is there's not enough problems that's problem well that's kind of what I mean about the supply and demand thing right there's not enough

55:01actual problems for them to focus on so like so no I think what I said what I wrote on Facebook was political correctness is exhausting and he wrote being black is exhausting okay and I and I wrote yeah and I wrote right fortunately that T-shirt has nothing to do with being black and then he went off onto this thing about how like everything you know people you have to understand how other people are going to perceive things and you we have have to be cognizant of always using the right words and it just ends up spiraling down into this this situation where all of a sudden I have to be censoring every single word that I say in case some idiot misinterprets it and doesn't understand the historical context that we're talking about the women's movement in like early 20th century Britain and not the fight against slavery in America I don't buy it I don't buy it I don't

55:48think people are really offended by it I think it's a green light issue I think it's a GRE they look at Merill Streep in that T-shirt and if they understand the the context of what she's trying say like if you if you quote the the original piece that it was taken from if if they still have a problem with that then what they're doing is just finding a green light it's a green light like that's I can go I can go I can hit the gas that's what it is it's all it is it doesn't make any sense mean she's she's posting something or she has a t-shirt on rather that's taken from a it's it's a historical quote it's really simple if you have an issue with those words because those words can be used in other forms well that's your issue it's you're but to to make a big deal of it and that you have to be more aware and you have to be you know cuz being black is exhausting or being Chinese we built

56:32the railroads for you to ride that Railroad and not acknowledge the fact that Chinese people died during the making of that rail Christ enough that what we need is wolves we need Wolves At The Gates what we need is a winter we need Winters coming we need a Game of Thrones scenario like but we've we've just had Paris yes the Paris attacks why Focus if you're in Paris I bet it's like that you know 9/11 in after September 11th in New York New York was amazing and I hate to say this and it terms like this is not minimizing the victims or the families of the victims and horrible tragedy without a doubt no one no one's denying that but what I'm saying is we were in New York City me and some friends when we were filming Fear Factor and it was about 10 months or 11 months after 9/11 my memory might be bad but the point being people were noticeably more friendly

57:29noticeably more more like they were engaging they would say hi to each other the fireman came I had a friend who blacked out cuz I gave her some California weed we were uh we were hanging out in front of this bar it was all these people that work for Fear Factor and uh you know and uh I I busted out a joint I go you guys want to get down or what what do you want to do come on and they these all these producers they're like okay okay we'll try some we'll try some this is space weed just the deepest blackest hole space weed right she takes a deep hit and you see her eyes start to flutter and roll behind her head and luckily I was in a position to catch her and I moved in and and we grabbed her as she was like she was literally just blacking out on the concrete that's some serious it was some serious weed but it's apparently it can happen to certain people if you don't smoke a lot

58:18of weed and she just decided it let's give it a shot she took a big hit and you see her eyes fluttering and she just gave so we called the fireman the fireman came and it was like like a nobleman on a knight on a horse had arrived everybody was so happy to see the fireman like First Responders got so much love it was amazing it hundreds of their colleagues had just died it was also the fact that people recognized the importance of having First Responders having firemen having policemen and that they really felt it like in a deep real way like thank you thank you for what you do if it wasn't for what you you do we would be in so much more danger you're like it's having a a very real memory of them stepping in and risking their lives and helping people and and seeing them covered with dust as They Carried people out of the buildings and we we we we we it was like it was

59:08solidified in people's memories and then over the past you know decade or so you go back and it's back to being New York again people don't look at each other you like there was there was a feeling of vulnerability that existed because we had recognized a real problem and we had gone through a real they had gone through a real moment of intense adversity did you did you see in the wake of Paris one of the things that I found interesting was this conversation around tragedy hipster trap tragedy hipsters did you hear about tragedy hipster tragedy hipster is someone who the moment something like the Paris attacks happens uh starts on people who are pouring out sympathy online or changing their face their Facebook profile pictures to the French flag or something by saying well where were you why weren't you out outraged when there was beus like this is like

59:57there's I've got an article here uh in the stranger which is the Seattle blog entitled why putting the French flag on the Space Needle is racist what by Charles medidi nov November 16 why didn't anybody acknowledge the attacks in Lebanon why didn't anybody acknowledge the attacks in Nigeria the point there well there's a real racist aspect to that and I think there's a real argument for that so I I think we have to be allowed to allow people to express like sympathy yes uh I I also find it a bit fatuous when everyone starts pouring out you know all of it there are certain fashionable things to care about you know it's a bit like the Coney 2012 phenomenon or something right uh where all of a sudden everyone jumps on some social media social justice bandwagon but I feel like Paris is a bit different yes people should pay attention to Beirut yes people should

60:50pay attention to Nigeria and bah Haram yes people should be more aware of what's going on but as Obama said in the wake of of the Paris attacks it is understandable for people to have a more instinctive sympathetic reaction to a city that they know a city that they've been to a city populated by people like them who are doing things just like them going to see a soccer game sitting in a restaurant um than they are for parts of the world where they think that that violence is more common place like Nigeria I don't think you can be belittling people for genuine expressions of sympathy I certainly don't think that you should be accusing of being racist I agree with you wholeheartedly I don't think you should accuse people of anything negative for expressing sympathy but I think that culturally when you look at the news and when you look at CNN and the people that are

61:38supposed to be responsible for letting us know what's happening in the world that's where the issue lies like why are they concentrating solely on Paris why doesn't CNN have all this coverage of Lebanon and Nigeria that that mirrors it so you get this broad perspective of the the the actual World itself and say look look this this Isis issue is not just an issue that happened to Europeans this is an issue that's been happening all over the world for a while now absolutely and CNN is awful and I'm definitely not going to defend CNN I mean CNN is the worst example I think of just following the most predictable line on everything they try not to alienate anyone by being too left or to right and as a consequence they're just a mush of ignorance and like prism but what do you do if you're Jeff Zucker if you're the guy who runs CNN what the do you do but you put Anthony Bourdain show on

62:29that's a good move yeah but what else do you do I mean how the do you do you cover the news in like a a a broad way and also make it a profitable entertainment Enterprise which I would like to think that there's a market for smart conversations about things which is what I try to do at half poost live and we don't get small numbers I mean things often times I'm surprised when I have a smart conversation about the relationship between islamism to to Islam and the plight of you know poor Muslims in the suburbs of European capitals where unemployment is 35% and the demographics of the types of people in Iraq who were joining Isis who were 14 years old during the US invasion and who've just endured uh all of their the rest of their lives basically being full of Civil War and people being beheaded and strung up in the streets and who hated Saddam but hate America

63:20and hate the West now for everything that they've been through like when we talk about all that sort of stuff some people are actually you know significant numbers of people are actually interested in hearing about it instead of meanwhile on CNN should the mayor of this city in in the midwest that has a majority Muslim population be afraid how come you can do that so good but you can't do Rush that was a total American accent no you're right what I can you it's people are problematic you it's very difficult for people to separate their motives from from the reality the situation that they're reporting on to also you're dealing with commercial interests you know you have advertisers you have all these different things that have a say or at least an influence on what gets said whereas you don't have that there's also the difference between broadcast and selective media you're

64:13you're you have a selective media Outlet which means someone finds out about Josh zeps from one of your many wonderful appearances all throughout the world and huff post live and all these different things they get to know you I like this guy's perspective he's very intelligent he's very articulate and then they seek you out and they find your thing they subscribe to it and then they go to it because they becom a Josh zep's fan whereas CNN is just it's on at the airport you know I'm waiting for my flight the other day and they have CNN and they're they're showing these people you know doing these things and it's just it's on you know it's a there's a difference between something that's broadcast and something that you select and I think when someone gets excited about something like what you do is someone who has chosen to go seek out your perspective and your point of view

64:57it's very difficult to do that on a show like CNN or a network like CNN we have to be able to do better than we are though because like 60 Minutes for all of its faults occasionally hits the nail on the head and does a good job and certainly used to and people watch it and watched iton used to do it you know there like they're a good I mean PBS does a does a great job broadly I think NBC News does a great job just as a as a whole collection so Brian Williams with the exception of Brian Williams although I mean like who gives a I mean I I never expect yeah exactly I never be a robot he might as well be a robot that's right who gives a what he Siri to do his job that's what they should do they should just have a laptop there but here's on on your point about what people are going to watch and seek out there's a good piece in Vox by Max fiser after the all the criticism of

65:46like why didn't why why didn't the media cover the bayroot bombings CU like one of the most popular one of the most retweeted tweets the day after the Paris attacks was a tweet about why is the media covering this so much when they didn't cover beay mhm and uh so max fer says we did and nobody clicks on it oh we do and nobody ever clicks on it no one clicks at it or no one clicks on it then they just let it go and they just am at some point you have to yeah at some point if you're interested in having a thriving media business you have to give people what they actually want which is judged by what they click on so so they put be at the top of the page and then you know what it you get doesn't even register as a blip on the number of clicks so then they downgrade it and it ends up falling back onto the world section of the site but I think you just nailed it because it's a

66:36business and that's where it becomes a problem it becomes a problem is that it's an entertainment business like CNN is an Entertainment Network yeah but they they they Entertain You by showing you the real reality TV which is the news but much like reality TV you know if you live in a house with a bunch of people and they they film 6 hours a day and then they water it down to 44 minutes on television or 22 minutes on television when they do that I mean they're going to they're going to do it the way they want to show it they're going to chop out a bunch of other that you're not really interested in and they're going to paint a picture and they can edit it and paint that picture in a variety of different ways but they're going to do it in the way that they think is going to be the most salacious it's going to be the most compelling for you to tune in so they

67:17can sell you a Toyota truck so they can you know advertise Tide laundry detergent you know that's really what it's all about exactly and I think think that's that's a real problem when you combine Commerce with the dissemination of information oh here was here's the Tweet by the way Jack Jones TV uh has a picture of an explosion in Beirut no media has covered this but rip to all the people that lost their lives in Lebanon yesterday from Isis attacks let's see how many retweets it's uh it's got that that's been retweeted 57,7 times and liked 43,124 during the Israeli war against Hezbollah and it's absolutely not true that no media has covered this the New York Times covered it the Washington Post the AP uh H nayor was sent to cover the blasts The Economist had a piece on it CNN even CNN did it the Daily Mail so that's a fake picture that's interesting that's right that's from 9 years the

68:14wrong picture that's the picture that Angelina jali uh tweeted too she tweeted yeah yeah she tweeted it about the Lebanon attacks as well so get on the ball Angelina stop opting kids those are those are the tragedy hipsters right yeah investigate the veracity of the photographs you post young lady how dare she hashtag outraged I'm hashtag she's hashtag racist how about that and now I don't know what to talk about about about about Islam as well like the difficulty is what do you I'm afraid of all of the all of the right- Wingers taking my greatest fear about terrorism is that we end up living in like a quas I fascist State because we overreact so much that every like I got a little nephew who's 2 years old when he's 18 and he's traveling around the world like I did is he going to be able to sit outside in a cafe and and relax or is he going to have to walk through a

69:08metal detect or every bloody place he goes like that's a good question and is he going to is he going to have any privacy or is the NSA going to spy on everything that he does and are we going to let it because we're so afraid of having attacks like this and is he going to live in a pluralistic society or are we going to be so cowed either one way or the other where either we we take our Trump ID and oppress Muslims which only exacerbates the problem or on the other hand we become social justice Warriors who are like this has nothing to do with Islam Islam is a religion of peace there's nothing to see here you don't have to worry about the islamists which means that we end up with many theocracies in our own cities where you basically have illiberal communities that don't respect women's rights and don't respect gay rights you not just don't respect but actively suppress I

69:51mean Isis is throwing gay people off the roofs yep yeah I don't know we talk about this is the problem we and I by Me by we I mean people like me who are broadly sympathetic to minority rights and who are broadly Pro civil rights and want everybody to be able to live life however they want to and I'm Pro high levels of immigration uh and I'm I'm not intolerant I'm not xenophobic I'm certainly not racist or islamophobic but how do we talk honestly about the fact that at the fringes of Islam there is a big problem and not yield that territory to the right wing cuz you've got this the rise of these rightwing can you imagine if there was an election there's an election there is an election in Paris in France next week and how many more Paris Paris attacks would you have to have before the national front the anti-immigrant racist party one power in Sweden now the third

70:43largest party is uh a party that wants to close the borders completely wow I mean you've practically already got that on the GOP side here well no not even not even remotely actually I take that back cuz they want to they want to close the illegal border but they still believe in having moderate levels of yeah exactly they still believe in having people like me come in yes um white people that speak well with a cool accent come on over yeah are you educated sure come on over probably more educated than we are yeah I think what we have here is human beings classically react to tragedies and massive events uh we have problems and then we have Solutions and uh there's the solution is being debated and there's the extreme right-wing answer to these solution to these problems which is close up the borders more military more guns attack Isis let's go to war let's do this let's

71:35do that I think we're also dealing with people like Trump that are gigantic egos that have U these platforms where they want to step up and they want to gather all this attention to themselves and point to themselves as the solution to this issue with their Hardline stances and I think what's going to happen is technology as it becomes more and more pervasive and invasive and as we become more and more symbiotically connected to the ability to express ourselves through phones and through the internet I think the next level of this is ultimately going to be some level that allows people to communicate in a way that it's not just typing things down and it's not just watching a video online I think we're going to be able to communicate with each other in some sort of a neural transmitting manner there's going to be some next step level of Technology with

72:26it whether it's a decade from now or two decades from now there's it's going to be it's going to seem pointless to have phones it's going to seem point the idea of having a physical thing where you have to go to in order to access information is going to seem absolutely ridiculous and once that happens we're going to see what we see right now in the world where I think I think as regardless of how crazy the world is I I I think at least in America right now this is absolutely the safest time ever so it's the when all this social justice warrior that we're seeing and all this craziness about outrage and hashtag racism and hash this and that it's bad but it's good it's good because it's all about sensitivity it's good because it's all about inclusion it's good because it's all about eliminating anything that's disparaging or racist or anything where you are marginalizing groups based

73:18on something that they can't control like what they look like or their sexual preference and I think as we get get deeper and deeper into this interconnectivity that we're experiencing right now we're we're going to absolve a lot of our differences and grievances through our ability to communicate with each each other and connect with each other and I think we're experiencing like this adolescent sort of angst before we get out of the house and go out onto the our own I mean we're becoming adults as a civilization and along the way we're experiencing the teenage hormonal rage that you know a 14-year-old has when they're still trapped in their parents' house the the freedom that human beings are going to have in the future to communicate and express themselves is going to negate a lot of this hash colge racism or hash colge activism I think what that's

74:09coming from is this this feeling that a lot of people have that their their their ideas their opinions aren't taken into consideration that they're not taken seriously and that that's why they're overreacting and freaking out and walking through the hallways and Dartmouth in the library black lives matter black lives matter like what what are they doing we have a greater ability now Joe to communicate with each other than we ever have already but it's so recent it's so recent I mean I I take your point we're certainly in the adolescence of our of our species and but I do suspect that you're looking at this through the prism of a mind that spends a lot of time thinking about things and a lot of time having experiences that are that are uplifting and Transcendent whether it be through yeah I'm trying trying to find a way of saying drugs but not just drugs float tanks

74:57meditation what whatever else it is that you that you do in order to gain a perspective on things that is beyond your own little tribe my concern is whether or not there is a direct correlation between upgrading our the means of communication and I'm with you that obviously the way that we currently communicate is going to seem completely Antiquated in decades to come but what we've seen happen when like when the internet began you sound to me a little bit like people who I would listen to in the 199 who would say when once everyone is online there's going to be no need for difference anymore because everyone's going to be able to communicate everything and everyone's going to be able to be exposed to so many different ideas that you're not going to be able to be insular anymore you're not going to be able to be parochial anymore trapped in your own little circle of beliefs because with

75:43the internet everything's going to be available at everyone's fingertips all the time saying some people yeah there were futurists who were saying that of course what's happened is we've had it's had the opposite effect that that the the availability of communication has on a widespread scale has actually enabled people to Silo themselves into little self-thinking like communities of sameness so that we're actually more divided than we've ever been because you can seek out only the information that comports with the way that you see the world so I don't think that a technology is necessarily going to drive an Awakening I think the Awakening comes from drugs and spiritual epiphanies and then the communication can be a tool to enact that but I can just as easily see some communication Revolution being manipulated by jihadis the way that they currently use the internet and Twitter

76:30to coordinate terrorist attacks I don't think it's an either or I I I definitely think that there are groups of insulated people that search for confirmation bias and they they stay within their tribe but I think one of the reasons why they're so active now and there's more of them is because they're recognizing the inevitable future and that you you really you're not going to be able to insulate yourself in the past like you better get it in now while you can better stockpile that food cuz the famine is coming I think what what you're going to experience in the future is going to be more and more deterioration of these insulated little tribes and I think that that's what we're experiencing when people have to apologize for things they would never have to apologize before people like what we were talking about like Al Franken saying rush limbo's a big fat

77:17idiot that was just a few years ago that he wrote that book maybe a decade ago you you can't write that book today you couldn't put that book in the shelves you wouldn't it wouldn't be supported it wouldn't be supported by Barnes & Noble like you're calling something a big fat idiot it's fat shaming now and I think that this this increased outrage is also increased sensitivity it's also increased understanding and once the dust settles in the argument then people have to like you have to take into consideration the validity of other people's opinions like whether or not you agree with them or not you have to understand that it's just a matter of this this broad range of people expressing themselves will slowly it'll slowly like come down to an understandable vibration I hope so so and let's just unpack two things that we're talking about so we're not

78:02conflating two things right one is the social justice Warrior debate here in the United States and the other is islamism and we're sort of kind of having two parallel conversations about that at the same time in terms of social social justice Warriors in the United States I think I hope that you're right that what they think that they're doing is being an extension of the great traditions of civil rights in America in other words that they're being motivated by a sense of understanding as you and of compassion yeah and of outrage against what they perceive as being outrageous Injustice my concern is that what they're also doing is buying into a long tradition of intolerance and a lack of respect for pluralism and for other people's ideas about things for other people's right to express ideas that they regard as being incorrect there's a I mentioned earlier this study that I

78:51thought you were going to like that I brought let me just find it because it's good so there's this uh there's this professor called April Kelly wosner and she's a professor of political science at Elizabeth toown college and she's got a chapter in this new paper called the end of the experiment the rise of cultural Elites and the decline of America's Civic culture and it's it's this study which is called the General Social Survey which looks at how tolerant or intolerant particular demographics of Americans are right so they start by hang on I've got tangled up in my microphone here I was getting too relaxed listening to your talk Tangled Up I was like kicking back I was like getting out the popcorn listen to Joe uh so in the General Social Survey they they uh they propose a bunch of different groups and they ask people how much they would like or dislike that

79:35group of people right just to establish who we really really don't like the least liked group included in the survey was Muslim clergymen who preach hatred against the United States right that's understandable and the second least liked group among Americans are people who believe that blacks are genetically inferior so racists so then they ask people how tolerant they would be to towards those a person from that class of of people giving a a public speech in their community and people in their 40s are more tolerant than people in their 30s and people in their 30s are more tolerant than people in their 20s among people in their 40s the proportion who say that a me that a Muslim clergyman who preaches hatred against the United States should not be allowed to give a public speech is 43% people in their 30s 52% people in their 20s 60% so if tolerance means not like oh I

80:37support black rights or I support gay rights or I support trans rights but if it means respecting the right of someone who you really disagree with to express that opinion then young people actually more intolerant now than older people they're more tolerant towards homosexuals and atheists but that's because they like homosexuals and atheists more than older people do right that's not tolerance tolerance is is not a measure of liking someone but a willingness to extend political freedoms to people who you dislike and young people are less less willing to do that well I think what you're saying though is they're less willing to accept hate speech which they think are D dangerous sorts of conversations they think that someone who's a Muslim kiman who wants to express the the hate of America it's dangerous because he could promote ter attacks someone who thinks

81:26that black people are genetically inferior to white people is dangerous because they could promote racism or they could promote someone confirming their racist beliefs and then instead of becoming educated or becoming enlightened they go with the their initial racist instincts and they go I was right you know the white man is superior you know and they they're worried about hate but where does that end both both those things are about hate you know there well is Marl stre shirt saying better a rebel than a slave about ha cuz it is to the it is to a lot of people in their 20s how many people how many people well enough people that she has to put out a press release about it I think like I don't think there's anything I think we are better off living in a society where bad ideas are exposed to conversation I mean you know sunlight is the best disinfectant you

82:15want bad ideas out there you want a big roing conversation where people who are stupid or have ridiculous ideas about the genetic inferiority of of of black people are able to be exposed be argued with be contented because racists aren't just going to go away if you ban them from Talking they're going to go underground they're going to find other communities they're going to they're going to increasingly self-segregate into their own little communities online you want I think you want free speech to be a big roiling debate you don't want to be censorious and and judgmental and intolerant towards people whose eyes you just you whose ideas you disagree with you want to take them on and expose why those ideas are wrong and hopefully through that through that wrestling match that intellectual wrestling match you all end up progressing forward you don't progress forward by simply Banning

83:00ideas that you think are are objectionable that's that's agreed yeah that's a very important point I think what they're worried about though is these people going to schools and indoctrinating very gullible or very impressionable young people and that's a that's a legit thing because they that reinforces the gullibility right because you don't get you haven't been exposed to any other ideas say is that they themselves have been indoctrinated into the IDE of liberalism and liberal Thinking by by like charismatic people with interesting ideas that they believe in wholeheartedly and they're very confident in what they're saying they they speak very well those ideas become infectious and sometimes those I I've expressed this before on the podcast and I listen to uh these Islamic clergymen speak and although I have zero desire to become a Muslim like there's something

83:48in toxicating about people that are extremely confident about their ideology and that's dangerous with people it's dangerous a Pur person like me who's done a lot of drugs who does a lot of meditation is involved in martial arts I'm a freeth thinker I'm a non-theistic sort of a thinker but I watch these people have these conversations with these massive crowds and they're saying all these crazy things about Islam being the truth and I feel I have a I feel an understanding why people would be drawn to that I'm not saying that I'm I'm drawn to it myself but I understand it like I feel the com the the ping idea behind someone joining a group like that I think that's right I think it's because certainty is intoxicating right yes yes like if you're if you're discombobulated if the world is complicated if you don't know what to make of especially if you're in a situation where you feel

84:41like you've been shat on for a lot of time which is what a lot of these followers of these extremists do feel like uh then it's nice to just have Clarity it's nice to just have someone who knows what the truth is and who knows what the right path is a perfect example that is country music I guarantee you if you you list five things that you were going to end that sentence with it would country music would not have been top top 50 I know a lot of people that I love dearly that like country music and they lead they read the least out of all the people that I know all the people that I know that are like really into like really dumb country music these aren't aware of that's going on in the world I I have good friends that I love but you know I have to talk to them especially for like like for from the hunting world like the hunting world is goddamn hilarious

85:28because I've somehow or another become a part of this world because I've expressed this idea that I think is very important that we should be aware of where our food comes from and then and I've become someone who gathers their food you know from a hunting way but then you connect yourself with these people that are also in this which are they became very religious there's a lot of Rel but but it's a weird kind of religion it's it's it's almost like a hashtag activist sort of relig idea where they don't understand the texts they like they'll have religious tattoos like hey you got to read the whole book like the book says don't tattoo yourself just like it says don't blow guys you know it's like you can't be an like I've had arguments with people about it's pretty much more explicit about the don't get a tattoo than don't blow a guy the blow a guy bit is always nebulous about like

86:17lying with another man or something no tattoo yeah guy gets on his knees and sucks my dick problem here there's no lying yeah the the the tattoo thing is very clear but uh when I got into it with these people was um when that woman from Kentucky wouldn't marry gay people and I wrote this uh this piece on on Instagram and Facebook and it got you know millions of likes and all these people traded it back and forth and I got all this blowback from The Hunting Community because all these people that are you know really into God or really into religion and then you know they're they're also recognizing so like there were getting pressure my friends are in The Hunting Community were getting pressure to talk to me about my stance on God like this is hilarious like how much do you guys actually know about the scripts how much have you guys read what how much do you know about the origins

87:08of the scripts and it turns out very little most of them very little but there's this need to simplify things that appear to be very complex and the way to simplify things is put it all in God's hands it's all about Jesus you know Jesus said I'll tell you why I want to vote for him cuz he's on Jesus aad well this comes back to the problem of tribalism that we were alluding to earlier in the show right that that there is no greater way of encouraging people to be tribalistic than religion or political affiliation Loosely Loosely understood right so there's uh you know Dan Carlin's History Podcast man the best oh just incredible have you had him on the show oh yeah a bunch of times oh fantastic I have I missed those episodes I'll go back I've I've just been listening I've almost finished getting through his World War I uh thing which is like five episodes of 3 and 1/2 hours

87:55each right this is like Rogan esque duration podcasts but way more way more like produced way more I mean it's it's brilliant it's like there are audio books I mean it's like 20 a 20 hour explanation of the first world war it's just so fascinating so good and so one of the things that he's talking about is when he's talking about the Balkans he's saying like when the Balkans imploded in the 1990s and we had the collapse of Yugoslavia and you know Bosnia and Serbia and all that he's like you go there even to this day and you talk to a Bosnian Muslim or you talk to a Serb or you talk to a cowat about the problems that they've endured and every single one of them will point a finger at the other groups and say they've been doing this to us for so long and back in this day they did that and then they did that and then they did that it's like the Israelis and

88:46the Palestinians or something like oh well you know 10,000 years ago my ancestors got massacred by blah blah and it's so easy to think of ourselves in terms of AG grieved groups whether or not and and my problem with religion is and my problem with this is this is sort of a weird parallel that I'm drawing just as I'm only sort of thinking this up right now but there is a parallel between jihadis and social justice Warriors in the sense that they each are able to take an off-the-shelf prepackaged kind of identity and set of beliefs about things and gain certainty from it and be part of a tribe and be part of a community and be fighting the good fight against people who disagree with them who hold beliefs that they believe are objectionable whether that belief is that the West is at war with Islam which is what jihadis think that we want or whether the belief is that uh

89:36that racist racism is okay which is what social justice Warriors think that all white people think right there are these easy off-the-shelf categories so think independently people think independently is a good idea um I don't know if I'm with you on that one though social justice warries and the Jihad I see where you going with it I mean it's I I think they're world they're World Views that are self-reinforcing and they're clicks that are self-supporting right so you don't have to ask a lot of difficult questions right I I totally understand what you're saying in that sense I think extreme liberalism is in a sense like extreme conservatism is a religion in a sense yeah yeah I think it's it's an ideology ideologies are very dangerous ideologies where you have locked into a predetermined pattern of thinking that you you just have to conform to I think becomes very problematic for people

90:27because the world is fluid it's there's a lot going on a lot of weirdness to it and I think that there's also an issue in communication through language communication through uh words and the ability to express yourself through words it's sometimes difficult because what you're trying to do is you're trying to express intent you're trying to get someone to understand how you think and view things and you're trying to say well why don't you express and view yourself like I do or why don't you see things how I do and maybe you're talking to someone who has a completely different idea of what those words mean and completely different idea of the the context of this particular scenario that you're discussing it's hard it's hard it's clumsy isn't it it's difficult cuz you've got this kind of platonic ideal in your head of what you want to communicate and then you have to just

91:12rumage around in the Scrabble bucket for for the closest approximation to what it is that you're trying to impart that's why podcasts are so unique in a way because you know one of the beautiful things about it is that you know you do do sort of search for the correct way to I mean you hear us do this sometimes we're just like and what we're doing is we're just trying to figure out what's the best way for me to express this idea that I've got bouncing around in my head where I'm trying to understand how how this thing sort of lays out to everybody else like how do I how do I how do I broadcast it how do I get it out there in a way where you know what I'm actually saying what I'm actually thinking instead of getting outraged is something that's not what I meant like the SM Streep thing that's not what she she obviously didn't mean I don't want to be a slave like I want to

91:57be a black person in the 1800s exactly and there are certain triggers that are really hard for people to get Beyond in communication but we have to find a way to get Beyond like the the I think the most pressing form of communication that we have to Grapple with now is how do we speak to the Muslim Community and to one another about the Muslim Community and about jihadism without either being bigoted towards uh Muslims or pretending that there isn't a problem of islamism that has some relationship to the Muslim Community and that has some relationship to the text of Islam right because the moment I say anything remotely suggesting like the day after the Charlie ebdo attacks in Paris Howard Dean went on mourning Joe on MSNBC and said these guys are about as Muslim as I am well that's right I mean that's obviously not true there more Muslim they're arguably a lot more

92:55Muslim than most Muslims I mean they are very fanatically Muslim at least they think they are right so we can't keep litigating whether or not they're theologically correct or whatever like there there is obviously a cancer at the extremist Fringe of Islam that has to be dealt with and has to be talked about and the more we just talk about it the more the left talks about it in terms of well it's just a problem of extremism in all faiths it's got nothing to do with the faith the less able we are to actually have a conversation about what needs to be done and how to win over moderate Muslims and how not to alienate them because if we if tolerant people can't talk about it then the only people talking about the problem are right-wing xenophobes or fascists right and so what we have to do is find a way when we talk about like those off-the-shelf ideologies whether it's jihadism or

93:44social justice Warrior ISM we have to find a way to win over moderate Muslims and make them not feel like they're being alienated and judged we have to not be you know sending Southwest flights back to the gate as it was the other day because two people were speaking Arabic and watching a video about what's going on in like the wake of the Paris attacks or something and people freaked out because they don't well they think all Arabs are terrorists or something have to make sure that doesn't happen but we can't have that not happen as long as everyone is pretending that there's not a problem with Islam right at the edge of Islam and I don't know how to have that conversation without sounding like I'm intolerant you just got to keep talking everybody's got to keep talking the arguments against it come up you talk about the arguments against it and it just just takes time I

94:30really do believe that I believe it just takes a lot of discourse takes a lot of communication and the clumsy type of communication that you get through language through through talking I think the more this happens the more this gets discussed the more people gain an understanding and again like we're looking at people aging or like trees growing it is a slow process that in the middle of it it doesn't seem like any progress is happening at all but ultimately if you look at the world today versus the world of 10 years ago you see a big difference between what Al Franken was able to publish with that book and what you're able to get away with today and I think that sort of in a in a weird way for lack of a better analogy it highlights the growth that's going on it highlights this very strange era that that we are currently experiencing and with that let's end

95:15this and do your podcast so that way we'll get to we're going to keep talking folks but we have to end this cuz I got to pick up my kid in a little bit but we're going to do uh an episode of We the People live hash We the People live the people live podcast and it is available on iTunes it's available SoundCloud oh you can just follow us on Twitter at wtp live underscores with these underscores some other bastard got wtp live I know what it is why can you just get We the People the whole thing or is that too many letters I think it was too many letters I don't even remember okay all right well we're going to do that and then we'll be back but Josh zeps on Twitter follow him he's fantastic and we're going to do his podcast and uh that's it you and we'll be back tomorrow with Bill Burr holla