Joey Diaz, Eddie Bravo (Part 2)

The segment opens mid-discussion about why BJ Penn never built a specialist guard of the kind associated with Shinya Aoki (whose name the transcript renders several ways). The speaker, who says he has made this point to Penn directly, argues that Penn's wrestling defence at 155 pounds made a deep guard game unnecessary: nobody in that division could take him down, so he could simply stand back up. He adds that Penn showed some interest in the rubber guard and "fucks with it a little bit", but likely assumed no one would put him on his back.

if you stay at 55 there's really no reason to master any kind of guard just get back up

The argument then shifts. Fighters are improving and wrestlers are now common, so the speaker says a fighter needs an answer for opponents such as Chael Sonnen and Frankie Edgar, and points to how Penn's opponent took down Kenny Florian and got on top. He calls the elite wrestler a problem found "all over the top 10 of every UFC weight division" and says only a couple of answers exist. One of them is a guard that people describe as frightening rather than merely decent. He names Ryan Hall and Shinya Aoki as models, and cites Anthony Pettis's triangle against Shane Roller.