Duane Ludwig, T.J. Dillashaw

00:00Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. It's actually better if you ever have anything to promote, if you promote it after the music, because that's when it goes on Sirius. Yeah. Because Sirius takes all the shit before the music and just puts it out there somewhere. I don't know what they do with it. Sirius Secret. They throw it away. Sometimes our best work is done before we even get started. So then where do they go for the sweet ass shirts you're wearing? They go to DwayneBang.com, bitch. I'm wearing an affiliate. Bang Muay Thai. Dwayne and TJ and I just got back from a garage training session. Old school, like Gracie in action. 1993. Yeah, I got Matt set up in my garage. We had a sweet workout. That was fun, man. Really cool. That's a badass setup you have. You're really enthusiastic, man.

00:45I could tell you're really enjoying this transition from being a professional fighter to being a professional coach. And for folks who don't know, Dwayne, for a long time, had fastest knockout in UFC history. They tried to deny you, but we would not let them. We forced that shit down their throat. They were trying to give it to Todd Duffy, who had a very fast knockout, no doubt about it. It was pretty close. But you still had him. You edged him. But the referee fucked up. They gave it to you at 10 seconds, but it was really like six. On the clock, it said four. Four. The duration of the bout is from the bell sounds until the refs to start or fight, and until one of the refs or until the ref touches one of the opponents. Right. So from start to touch, that's what we count? Correct. Okay, so even if the bell rings before, so they start, does the bell ring in the beginning? Boxing it used to.

01:37It doesn't with MMA, right? They just say fight. Yeah. Yeah, I don't even know. How the fuck do I not know? I don't even know, man. Why don't we hear him? I don't hear TJ. Here we go. Try it again. Yeah, yeah, I'm usually too amped up to even hear a bell. How much do you hear when you're out there? Do you hear Dwayne in your corner cheering at him? Yeah, I can hear Justin Buckles usually the most because he's real loud. He's always in my corner and then Dwayne as well, yeah. So that's all you hear? Just that and then the rest is just noise? For the most part. I mean, you can hear like when the crowd gets excited, you kind of hear that, but you don't pay attention to it. You know, you just kind of try to focus in what you're supposed to. Have you ever been in a fight where they booed? No. That's a weird moment, right? When dudes are not doing anything and you know that they can hear it.

02:17You know, because it's never a boo during a wild scramble, right? And the wild scrambles I would imagine The ones where you Have the least memory Of what the fuck Is going on Like sound wise You're so Like tuned into it Right So what you asked me Is we hear them booing Yeah Oh yeah I have I've heard them booing For sure 100% Do you Do you feel responsibility When you hear that Like what's your feeling A little bit It just depends on The game plan And the fight And what's going on Yeah And you know Cause sometimes The game plan can be To just sit back Let him come to us You know Let him boo I don't give a fuck Let him boo Right right right Run into me Run into something stupid That's sweet So it could be like who's going to crack first? Who's going to give in to these boos and do something stupid that gets off of their game plan? That's the main thing with these fighters and myself is to control our own emotions

03:00because if you don't control us, how are we going to control them initially? And that's just one of those things. If the crowd's going to boo and make this guy make a stupid mistake or to finally come in or come into our game plan or whatever the scenario may be, then sweet. Let the crowd dictate what he's going to do. Hopefully he makes a mistake. Let him run to us. We keep our composure. We stick to the game plan. We adjust on the fly. We make things happen. You know, I'm an unusual MMA fan in that I've probably seen, like live, I've seen more than a thousand fights and had to call them. So I've been involved in so many different scenarios, so many fights, watching it play out, like classic, all-time great MMA fights I've had the honor to call. But I am different in that I like boring styles, man. I like a dude who takes no damage and smothers guys and just imposes his will.

03:48A lot of people used to give John Fitch a hard time. I swear to God, John Fitch is one of my favorite fighters to watch. And people would yell at me. They're like, you fucking idiot. He's ruining MMA. Or Ben Askren. Same thing. Ben Askren is one of my favorite fighters to watch. Ben Askren is a fucking glove. He just wraps a hole to you. That's real. He's stifling really exciting, energetic strikers. I mean, who was that fucking guy that he fought? The fucking hardcore striker recently. He fought this Russian dude, and then before it, he fought that guy that Vice did a piece on him. Lionel, what the fuck is his name? I have no idea. Goddammit, I'm not up on Bellator. Too much to pay attention to. I'll find the gentleman's name. Dude, Astrid's got to be so strong, man. That guy's got to be unbelievably strong. Well, it's not just strong. He seems to always be in the right place.

04:40His positioning, and also his paths are so weird. like usually when i'm watching a guy roll like say like here's a real easy example of a guy's like a blue belt on the ground and i'm watching his transition from like take down to like make it a mount or trying to make a mount or trying to get side control i can see what he's doing i see it real obvious but with askrin i'm like why is he grabbing oh that arm oh what the fuck how did he get there it's like he's doing this weird shit he's like going behind guys and getting underhooks on their back arm and and fucking wrenching them in weird ways and tying their Legs up and he's always in a weird spot. So you can't have this motherfucker off you. If you watch any of his wrestling matches, 100% that way. He was like nothing like super technical but a funky guy. Like he did everything funky. Well, I think it is technical. It's just technical in his way.

05:27And so it's not like he doesn't know what he's doing. He's like super successful at it. It's not like he's just this guy that's sort of making up karate. You know, like we've all seen those kung fu videos where dudes are just making shit up. You know, I've gotten them mad at me before. I make up shit all the time. But I mean, this is a different kind of making shit up. Like a guy throws a punch. Well, right here I attack the liver with a monkey paw. You know, and they're like talking about different techniques that they do. Well, you can tell literally while they're doing it that they're making it up as they go along. You should have done the show on that, Joe. I can't believe you didn't do a whole episode of fake kung fu. That would have been fun as fuck. Well, I think if we did a second season, that is one I would love to do. Those dudes who do the crazy touches. Yeah.

06:02Like have you ever seen the videos of the kung fu masters who just throw people through the air with their hands? Yeah, yeah. There's a ghetto one where there's this dude, and I don't know what it is, but he's a very ghetto-looking character. I mean, not just because he's black, but just the way he's black. You know what I'm talking about? I mean, the whole thing is it's a ghetto environment. I mean, he's not in Idaho, okay? And he's throwing these kung fu moves at these people, and he's got them shaking, like exaggerated, like wobbling back and forth like they're getting hit by a pulse from a movie. and you're like, what is going on here? Are they crazy? Is this mass hypnosis? Is this just a big scam? Or does he really have magic power? Those are the possibilities. I had a guy on this week's episode of Joe Rogan Questions Everything who said that he can make people fart in church. He reverses the net.

06:56He was hilarious. The guy was fucking hilarious. But he stood there and at one point in time He said he could get me to move back and forth with his mind. And he like tried to get me to, I'm not going to tell you if it worked or didn't work. Didn't fucking work. Of course it didn't work. The fuck is wrong with you? Jesus Christ. I couldn't lie to you like that. But the dude like was convinced that he, and I was, while he was doing it, I was like, what if I just give in to this guy and start moving and I can't believe I'm doing it. Like, what if it's, I had to like stand firm. I had to make sure I'm like, I'm not fucking going anywhere. This shit is not working on me. But if you were like a person who is easily led, like maybe the type of person who would join a cult, the type of person who like loses themselves in another person's influence, which is a real psychological dilemma.

07:44Like the reason why cults work, like if you look in the newspaper and you hear about some crazy cult where the guy's fucking all the girls and, you know, he's got 13-year-old wives and shit and 50 of them. You go, how the hell did that happen? We don't know, but it happens. There's people that just fall under the spell. so when you see someone doing that fucking crazy cheese shit making people fly through the air it's like wow like what's happening here yeah with uh i guess going back to like john fitch and askren you just have like you know oh not all and we don't know you don't know everything but you have a lot more martial arts information you understand what's going on you understand the scenario people are still stuck in the mind frame just seeing bloody wars so well i mean i mean i admit that i'm i'm i'm very unusual and that i'm i'm more than willing to watch some boring shit

08:29if it has a potential of getting exciting. Even if he gets through the entire fight and then in the third round, dude figures out how to stuff the take down and lands a big shot. Oh, shit, Fitch, it's hurt. Or Fitch gets his back and starts to put him away. If it takes all this 50% punches for three fucking rounds until there's an explosive moment, I like that. I like that because I know that the guy on the bottom does not want that to be happening. But yet it's happening. So that's real. That's why I fucking hate stand-ups. And people be like, You know, man, stand-up's fucking, you know, you gotta fucking protect the sport. Sport sucks if everybody's just gonna blanket hump. No, no, that guy doesn't want to get blanket hump. Do you understand that? Like, that is real. You can't deny that that dude is holding that motherfucker down. You can't deny it. You can't just make him stand up. If it's boring, tough shit.

09:18Tough shit, get off the bottom. I'm in favor of stand-ups. That shit saved me. If it wasn't for that fucking stand-up, I probably would have lost that fight. So, I'm off for the stand-ups. Well, Dwayne, we should say, world Muay Thai champion, one of the most technical strikers ever in MMA. So, of course, you love the stand-up. Your ground game is no joke, but obviously you have a big advantage. You have a big advantage. You always had a big technical advantage. Like Amir from Tough. Mr. Dollar. Yeah. He's a very good Muay Thai fighter. And that fight that you had with him was amazing. because it was a perfect example of your technical, like he fought you in your world. And there was just this clear technique advantage. Like the stuff that you were trying to show me today, about movement and about throwing punches and closing distance and being in the right area and about really small spaces.

10:16You leave the littlest, like one of the things you kept saying, put your hands by your face if you don't, and then my hands would be at your face. Which one would you like more? It's like really simple, really simple, but very technical. and that like showed itself in that fight because Amir is very competent. He's a very good fighter. But you caught him early. I think it was a left hook. You heard him with a left hook. And then you opened it up and then from that on it was like you were just taking your shots. It was your fight. You were dictating the dance. I love watching that, man. I don't need a knockout. I appreciate knockouts, absolutely, but I also appreciate people shutting people down. I appreciate when a guy is like, you know, Mighty Mouse, you know, used to get that rap, but it was really just because he was fighting guys like Ian McCall or because he was fighting guys like Benavidez.

11:03Like, you're fighting really fucking tough guys. You're not going to put these guys away. But, you know, we saw in his last fight against Moraga, he's still trying to finish it, like always. And so, like, that fight, like, he beat Moraga for four rounds before he finished him, but he still finished him. He was beating him clearly, but he still took him out. If the finish didn't happen, there would be a lot of people that say, oh, I don't like watching Mighty Mouse fight. It's fucking boring. No, that's not boring at all. It's awesome. You just got to understand what you're watching art right there. You're educated. Yeah. Guy got hit once. I mean, literally got caught once. One big shot in the fourth round and worked his way through it with no problem. His nose is fucking bleeding. I mean, Moraga can bang and he caught that dude right on the chin.

11:45So what you're dealing with is like he's a perfect specimen. He's got everything. He's got technique. He's got heart. He's got intelligence. He always comes in in shape, and he tries to finish the fight. He's a fucking champion. I mean, Mighty Mouse is a fucking champion. Yeah, he's great, man. But I've heard people say, like, I don't like watching those little guys fight, and they don't even finish. You don't even know what you're talking about. You're just watching the best guys go at it, and a lot of times they neutralize each other because the level of technique is so fucking high. At 125 and 135, TJ, where you fight, that fucking level of technique is through the roof, man. That's a fun thing here at Team Alpha Male right here, but there in Team Alpha Male. Everyone's been pointing the finger at me like I'm the secret pill and everything, but I have world-class athletes, 100% world-class athletes.

12:28They don't get any better than these guys. Now they have what I feel is the proper information. So here you go, proper information with world-class athletes. They really have no choice but to get better. It's pretty simple stuff, you know, and just like we did over the private today, just simple basic stuff. Now they're understanding what they're doing and why they're doing it so they can branch off from there. But I'm definitely making sure that I'm tailoring to the athlete. I'm not going to make them Dwayne Ludwig. I want to make them better athletes for themselves. But here's the correct way. Okay, you can make that way work. Okay, you can make it work. Okay, good. Let's make it work then. Let's add that to the system. That's your style. Cool, I'll adapt to you. But the same thing like Mighty Mouse. Can you teach somebody to be Mighty Mouse? Some of the aspects, but not a lot of it.

13:04He's got to be his own athlete. We're all individual athletes. Just like your sidekick today and your spinning kicks. World class. And that can be taught. You can take a million reps, but correct reps as well. And pay attention to the detail. Yeah, people have to know what they're doing. 100%. It's one of the things that Eddie Bravo always stresses about certain guard techniques. They're like, well, I keep doing it, people keep breaking out of it. Well, when you learn a wheel kick, you don't learn how to nail people with it every time. Most of the time, you're going to miss. You're going to go, oh, this doesn't work. And then you'll get in there with your Raya Hall or somewhere on that level, and they'll wheel kick you in the face. You'll go, oh my God, this is the craziest technique ever. It's a guaranteed knockout. You're literally hitting a guy with your whole fucking body behind a heel.

13:39Think how hard your goddamn heel is. People break their knuckles all the time. You ever break a heel? No. No, you don't break your heel. It's a goddamn hammer at the bottom of your foot, and it's carrying your body weight around all day. And the amount of force that you could fuck. But it ain't going to work right away. You've got to learn how to do it. It's like everything else. You've got to do the reps until you get to that black belt level at it. And there's some techniques that guys can do in jiu-jitsu. And the reason they can do it, the reason why they got like if a guy gets a nasty darse, like some people get darces and their arms will burn out and they'll never finish them. But then there's those dudes that have that fucking razor darse, You know that, wham! And they clamp that bitch down, and you know you're not getting out of that motherfucker because they put insane amount of reps into it.

14:21And so even though the movement may look similar to someone who's not educated in it, when you're watching it, if you know a guy who really closes off something really good, you go, oh, shit. Like Marcelo Garcia, if you ever watch him roll with his guillotine. I didn't know anybody could close off a guillotine that quick until I saw him do it. Uriah Faber has a nasty guillotine. So does Benavidez. All you guys at Team Alpha Male have sick guillotines. It's like you're known for it. But there's like a 16th of a second quicker that Marcello will slap it on than anybody. You know what I mean? Whereas you recognize. Uriah has a world-class guillotine. That shit is a vice grip. But you watch him do it and you watch Marcello and he's like, ooh, he's on another level. This motherfucker's got a 16th of a second quicker closure or something like that. There's just a little bit of...

15:10They lock it up like he he taps guys that I never see get tapped like we're talking about askrin There's a fantastic video Marcello rolling with askrin and just manhandling him just tapping him tapping him tapping I mean tapping him like he would tap, you know like anybody and it's crazy And you know how good a wrestler askin. Yeah, you know There's so many weird levels to this that's the thing Especially with this level of athletes in the UFC. We're doing split seconds and fractions of an inch You know like shit's got to be perfect, but perfect It's just having you land that strike and not get hit. You hit and don't get hit, we're good. But we're doing split fucking seconds, so that's just the way it's got to be. What a crazy exciting job you have. That's what I love my job. I fucking love it. It's like going from I've been training full bore since I was 15. Now I'm 35, so I've been a 20-year career.

15:54But I've been training people since I was 19 anyway. I've always understood the game, kind of broke it down. It's been self-taught a lot. Although Trevor Whitman, my boxing coach, showed me a lot. Boss Ruten has been my main contributor to my arts as well. and then I've trained Michael Winklejohn and Greg Jackson and crossed paths with a lot of people, Japan, Thailand, Holland. I trained at Ramon Deckers for two weeks. I've crossed paths with a lot of people, but a lot of my stuff is just self-taught from DVDs and YouTube and the Internet. So I've been able to break things down myself because I had to learn it myself and then teaching people. I took the pads, gave them Trevor Whitman, and told them, this is how to hold pads for me. This is what I need you to look out for. So I taught him to train me. Because of that, and he's an artist. The guy can draw. He's just very detailed, very analytical.

16:36So that transferred back over to me. So we were just a good relationship. And then I had another guy, Christian Allen, and that guy is the best mitt holder I've ever seen ever work with. That guy can hold some freaking mitts, and he is a ninja. If he believed in himself a bit more, he could be the UFC champion 100%. Some guys just have it physically, just not so much mentally. And that's a good thing here at T-Mobile. These guys are all world-class athletes. The wrestling mentality, I don't have to babysit anybody. They come in and they put in the work. the quality reps they help each other because tony today we're drilling you know we're building the counter eye looking for the openings before during and after these openings where are they at let's register them let's see the idiosyncrasies what are they doing they're nervous what is their

17:14position i just want to keep them in good position so there's just a bunch of little small things it's not there's nothing no magic pill just simple basic stuff reiterating a million times correctly from the get-go so that's one thing i've learned from boss from trevor women from all my travels just to break things down because i'm not a super athletic guy so i've had to learn things from the technical aspect and break them down so that they work for me same thing eddie bravo story say he's not you know a great athlete so you kind of break things down but that's another thing too with jujitsu and thai boxing jujitsu is slower it's a slower paced thing but also the mental aspect you know you're not getting punched in the face you can relax a little bit you know if you get caught on bar or triangle you're going to tap you have more seconds to respond you know you're

17:50not going to die in striking people still freak out people don't like to get punched i don't like to get punched in the face but it takes a certain human being to go ahead and relax and build that composure so i can take a guy and show him a technique or a draw combination and then he can spar with it well how about between the the mitts and the sparring that's a pretty big gap how are we going to deal with that gap yeah we're going to do this drill with a little bit of sparring okay now you can punch but you can't kick things like that want to break it down into pieces we're adding a little bit of heat to the flame you know a little bit more slower and slower and that's the guys have great fucking technique and great control there's nothing why wrestling you know people get so good at wrestling because they can relax they can relax and i can punch in the face

18:26well let's not punch him in the face so hard so i have a million drills for these guys to work with and it's just it's simple easy basic stuff man i just and again i love my job and the add kicks in and i jump around my conversations so it's a it's good man like the podcast for those who don't understand what you're talking about as far as mitt work what mitt work is is when a guy holds the pads for you and you hit the pads correct and uh there's a lot to it there's a lot to getting a guy to do it correctly there's a lot to getting a guy that does it in you know like making you throw combinations that are like realistic combinations that work good or work with you a guy who can take power shots to the arms because you know when you're kicking the shit out of fucking pads guys get bad elbows i mean after a while it goes right you have to be strong as shit

19:07that's one thing i have too is hyperflexion from uh just being relaxed and receiving kicks and have my elbows just come back too far and then i cross body and half guard you know i have my arms just getting so much my last few fights i couldn't spar because if a punch came and hyperflex my elbows they would just swell up and it would just hurt wow like the timing and things that would just slow the diminution because I'm not actually doing the live drilling, the live sparring. So things just kind of dwindled away in my last few fights. I just wasn't able to perform to the way I wanted to. Plus the passion and such. Wasn't really there for fighting. So it was just perfect timing. You know, blew out the knee. And, you know, Uriah texted me. He wanted to come train us. Was it a situation where you just done it for so long? So long. You're like, I don't have the enthusiasm for this anymore.

19:43But yet you still have the enthusiasm for the creative aspect of developing a fighter. Yeah, I love it. I'm a martial artist. This is what I've done my whole life. I love it. I love living through these guys now. It's just, it's a rebirth for me. It's just, I'm loving my life right now. I love how you're embracing it, too. I think it's really cool when a fighter finds something that he can do that's equally exciting, like, right after their careers, because that's always been traditionally a real problem for all sorts of professional fighters, whether it's boxers or MMA fighters. There's always been those stories of guys who, like, live this crazy high life, and then afterwards, like, do you know how many boxers get hooked on cocaine? No. It's a lot, man. It's a fucking lot. Obviously, they're partying, and obviously a lot of these guys are coming from lower-income backgrounds.

20:25So when all of a sudden they're making millions and millions of dollars, they tend to get a little crazy. But the after effects of losing all that excitement, it's gone from your life. There's very few guys that would transfer from that into becoming really good trainers. Yeah, that's a different scenario than me. I've never made millions of dollars. I still drive a fucking 2006 Scion XB with a crack windshield and a hole in the seat. I never made a million dollars in my last few fights. I was contracting with the UFC. It was like 15-15. So I didn't win my last couple fights, so I walked away. I have to sponsor like 20 grand and then pay out my percentages. So I never made good money. I've never broken six figures, so it's a different scenario. But that's why I'm glad I have the passion. I can live through these guys in the cage and watch them.

21:06And having them win, it makes me feel like it just keeps me still relevant in life. Yeah, I didn't even mean necessarily. I mean, part of it was their success, making the money, but it was also just that they're wild dudes. And then once they lose that ability to get that crazy fix every few months from a fight, it's really hard for a fighter to find something that they can throw their passion into that makes them feel like their life is still, you know, they're still living their life to the hilt. That's one thing about Dwayne, dude. He'll be a passion about anything. I don't care if it's walking down the street. You know what I mean? He's going to be the best at it. Do you hear Mike Passenier from Mike's Gym when he was talking about training Alistair, Alistair Overeem? One of the things he said that I thought was really interesting in the pre-fight, you know, Reem, he does those documentaries.

21:50Yeah, those are sweet. They're badass. Whoever does those is an artist. The music's great. The scenes are really artistically seen. But Mike said, you know, a champion is a champion no matter what he does. When he's tying his shoes, he's a champion. He's a champion when he gets out of bed. He's a champion when he brushes teeth. Exactly. It's right. You know, like that mentality, like to really hit the highest levels of something. You know, you have to be like, that's all you accept out of life. That's how I am. I'm very black and white. I try to do everything. I don't try. I do everything to my full potential with whatever I do. It's just the way I'm wired. It's how I've been. I haven't originally taught this. It's just how I am. So I don't know who to think. I guess our creator, who or me, whatever it is. But, I mean, I love everything that I do. It's good times, man.

22:33Well, it's also you've become successful as a martial artist. and you were very successful as a kickboxer and very successful as an MMA fighter. So you know, after all these years of competition, exactly what fighters are going through. You know it. I mean, you're not guessing it. You're not like putting together game plans based on intelligent decisions, but you haven't been there yourself. You've got both going on. Yeah, that's what I think helps too here to come off with these guys. They know I've done it, and they know I'm passionate. I'm there for these motherfuckers, like 100%. I watch film like a motherfucker. I make sure that when I do game plans or I do drills in the class, it's for this specific guy. As we have, you know, class of 20, 30 people, I make sure in our hour and a half class, you know, four or five rounds is for this guy, four or five rounds is for this guy.

23:17And I make sure that I game plan, I tailor things. And then also when we do our private lessons, it's specifically for their fight based on what they're already good at. Because they say, okay, TJ's good at, you know, these 10 things. You know, his opponent's good at these 10 things. We've got to be aware of these. Okay, five of TJ's things are going to work perfect for this guy. Well, let's drill the fuck out of those five things. So that's one of the things, too. Like for me specifically, when Boss Rutan would give me information or technique or a combo, he'd tell me to do something. I took it to heart 100%. Just like the Goulet fight. I went into that fight with my left shoulders blown out. So the only thing I had was my right hand. So that's why it kind of worked out for my favor. Well, that's the fastest knockout. The fastest knockout. Yeah, in UFC. So it's just the story behind it.

23:51It was just a two-week notice fight. I wasn't training at all. I was just up in the mountains doing electrical work. My manager called me, Sven. And he's like, hey, you want to do a fight? And I was like, yeah, sure. What are they paying? Four on four. And I was like, fuck, man. That's like two months worth of work. Let's go do the fight. So I flew out and trained at Boss. And I was actually trained at the 10th Planet Bomb Squad, the old Bomb Squad. And I was just wearing takedown defense. And Connor Hewitt, actually, I got double underhooks on a shot. And he took me over his back and blew out my left shoulder. Oh, no. All I could drill, I could drill kicks in the knee still, but just with the right hand. So that's all I was looking for. And the Boss was like, okay, he's going to come in, just step off to the side right hand. I was like, okay, cool. Ding, bell comes, boom. And I'm like, holy shit.

24:24Did you see that? There's a photo. There's a photo. I'm punching him and he's looking away and I'm like looking at boss not looking at boss I'm looking after the side because it happened so fast But I mean there's two things to that too I don't think you like took the best punch and I can't hit hard So there's a couple things to that then it was tentacle and you know I drilled it a million times. Do you have any regrets like when you look back on your career? Yeah, I definitely have regrets My dream from a child was to be not from a child I guess when I was 15, 16 when I first started Thai boxing was to fight for K1 be the heavyweight champion to K1 And I never grew that big So then, and then just doing Thai boxing, jumping back and forth from MMA and Thai boxing, because just Thai boxing, you can't stay busy in America, or you couldn't in any way.

25:04And then K1 created the max, the middleweight, or, you know, 70 kilos, 154. And then I actually had on the table at the same time was a K1 contract and a UFC contract. After I fought Genki, that was actually a one-fight deal, and they offered me a three-fight deal, and then K1 offered me a deal as well. My dream was always to go to K1, and I went to K1 just because that was my childhood passion. but looking back on it now I wish I would have stayed with the UFC from the get-go but you know just uh being stuck in my ways I wanted to do K1 to go visit Japan it was just one of those things but going back I wish I would have rolled and wrestled more and then just definitely stayed in in the UFC I'd be making more money now I'd be more well off it probably wouldn't have an 06 Scion and I'd probably own a house right now so but on the flip side of that as well you know

25:43if I did own a house I could rent that of course um I probably wouldn't have taken the job you know here at T-Mobile and living through these guys. So, you know, I learned the hard lesson of being a 1099 subcontracted employee. And I blew my knee out and had, like, three months worth of pay and a year-long injury. So I'm like, fuck, you know, I kind of figured out what am I going to do. And then Uriah just texted me. He's like, hey, you want to come out and, you know, be our head trainer? And I was like, look at that. Wow. I started, like, one more surgery to go through. And I'm like, fuck, man, yeah. What did you do to your name? In my last fight with Che Mills, the first 10 seconds, he did an outside trip and blew my knee out, like, the first 10 seconds of the fight. So the ACL was completely gone and a bucket handle tear of the meniscus. So that was gone. So I'm actually still not 100% healed.

26:24Well, I'm supposed to be 100% in the year, and it's almost a year now. So maybe it's happening, but it still swells up. So I'm not even training or anything. I just started holding mitts for these guys about two months ago. So you had a patella tendon graft, right? Yeah, I used my patella tendon. You can tell by the scar. I've had both of those done. I've had the regular cadaver one and the patella tendon graft. I shouldn't say oof, but statistically speaking, and you're supposed to use your own body parts, a lower percentage of rejection. Yeah, there's a bunch of different... Mine's great, but there's a bunch of different schools of thought on that. I wonder if it's the quality of the doctor. I'm not smart enough or educated enough about medicine to make a real comment about that. But for me, they're both great. They both work great. There's no problems. I had meniscus taken out of the left knee.

27:05That's the only difference. It's a little looser. Do you run much, though? No, no. I do elliptical machines. I like to do sprints on elliptical machines. I like to crank it up really heavy Put it on, depending on whatever it is Right below the highest level And just do 30 minute Wild man sprints That's what I do, or 30 seconds rather Wild man sprints, that's what I do if I'm in a hotel room And I can't, if there's not a gym there If you just have one of those elliptical machines You can still get a badass workout You just gotta go nutty with it I just do it like a fucking dragon's chasing me 30 seconds And then I take 30 seconds of just breathing I'm moving, but I'm just breathing and then, ah! So I just warm up for 10 minutes and then do that. I'll be doing that in the hotels or wherever you're at and then people are just looking at you like, what the hell is this guy doing, dude? It's just an elliptical, man, chill out.

27:54If you're training for a fight, just yelling on the machine or sprinting as hard as you can on the treadmill, you know? He makes me shy when we go work out because I feel like somebody's having sex next week. That's what it's got to be. You've got to go for it. It's got to do it. I'm not even preparing for anything. I'm just scared. there's a lot online right now i'm scared the dragon's chasing you yeah if i'm lifting weights i'm lifting like i might die if i don't get this weight up i'm gonna die yeah it's a different mentality though these guys know you know they're literally putting their lives online when they step in the cage like you know there is a possibility of course there's a possibility you get hit by a car and you cross the street as well incredibly dangerous yeah it's one of those things but you know i love it man it's a you know i loved it when i was fighting you know passion

28:30started kind of dwindling away so it's just perfect timing like you know things work out for happen for a reason or whatever. I'm learning to believe and understand that. This is my own path and my own career. Although there are some things that whatever you believe and conceive you can achieve kind of thing. That kind of thing, I think that's 100% true, I feel. Well, it certainly is with you. It certainly is with me. I always wonder what the fuck is really going on with that. Whether or not you just got lucky and you're just looking back on being lucky going, well, you know, it's just the world works out for itself. Does it really work out for itself or does it is it just you capitalize on whatever the fuck you you balance yourself out? And you get through it no matter what it's not that everything happens for a reason

29:11It's just that if you have the correct attitude and you don't get hung up on things you can succeed You just keep pushing forward you find your opportunities eventually and you jump through them I mean who's to say that? Opportunities couldn't have come up that were even better a year ago or ten years ago or five years ago They could have but when they it's a matter of when they do or when you create them Capitalize for it. Yes, 100%. So you were in the perfect position to do that. It was perfect. It was a good gig. So it's smart to jump on it and perfect for you. Yeah, for me, spiritually and anything, just living through these guys now, it's another rebirth. And I am the correct guy for this job, man. We're vibing fucking 100% perfect, man. It's awesome. It's a great mix with these guys. They have no problem drilling. I don't have to babysit these motherfuckers. They show up on time. They show respect.

29:56They're there to get better. They help each other. Even though they don't have fights coming up, They still come in and help the training partner because I'm like, okay, look, today you need to be this guy. You need to be Clay Guida for Tim Mendez. And then he'll mimic Clay Guida and watch the film and come in and dance around and do his thing just to give us the look of our next opponent. Right. That's the way it's got to be. Yeah. That's so important. I don't really have training camps anymore. I have to get help. I've been training for the last two months helping Uriah get ready. Chad's fighting next weekend. Joseph's fighting September 4th. Danny just fought in Seattle. So I've been helping everyone get ready. I've been in shape for the last who knows how long, you know, and so I'm always ready to take a fight as long as I'm not injured. It's a crazy gig, man.

30:34That's why I worked out good for his last fight. You know, he was short-knows fight with Hugo Viena. Last two. Oh, his last two, that's right. His last two fights were short-knows fights, but he's always training. Oh, he's in shape, so it doesn't matter. Yeah, you guys have a really cool camp, and I think one of the things that's really important is what you said about that wrestler mentality. There's, like, when they were trying to take wrestling out of the Olympics, there was so many people were really frustrated and really angry and people who've never wrestled don't understand this i only wrestled for one season so a lot of i'm just talking out of my ass but i know what it did for me just in one season i remember working i remember doing that one season of wrestling and thinking that's probably the hardest i've ever worked at anything in my fucking

31:16life for sure and i had done martial arts from much earlier than that i had been involved in physical things i played sports but i was like this i played soccer i'm like this is the nuttiest most soul crushing shit when you're exhausted and they make you fucking doing sprints carrying guys on your back and you're just nutty shit man down and go motherfucker oh my god running stairs and they broke you you would show up every day everything in your body would be fucking sore but if you can get through that it'll make you an incredibly strong person and that's the advantage that the wrestler mentality has. I always say that if the pyramid of mixed martial arts techniques was ever established, in my opinion at least, wrestling is the base. Agreed. And it's not just because of the actual ability to control where the fight takes place, whether you're standing up or to take it to the ground,

32:06whether you're using it Chuck Liddell style or whether you're Ben Askren in it. The most important aspect of it is the mentality that comes with that training. It's not like jiu-jitsu. It's not like kickboxing. Nobody else works that hard. And we weigh in every week. We compete every weekend. And you're always hungry. Always. You have to be. If you're not, you're getting beat. You're not going to be the best in the world. Definitely. You have to have the mentality of pushing harder than that next guy in that sport because it's just a one-on-one muscle versus muscle. It's tough. I think the weight-cutting aspect of it is a huge tragedy in high school, though. I really, really do. I have a friend who was a really good wrestler in high school, and he tried to stay at 128 through his entire career. And he was a fucking zombie in his senior year. Yeah, that was me. The kid always had bad breath.

32:55His mouth was always wide open. He looked like a zombie. And he was 5'6". All of his brothers, six feet taller, taller. Yeah, sending his growth, huh? He just fucking crushed himself. He ruined his body wrestling. That was me at 55, man. I would just kill myself. I didn't know how to cut weight right. I would just always run, you know, abilene on, rubber suit, running, and just like training tight style, just running a lot and just killing my body. So I think, I don't think I definitely fucking know 100%. That killed me. That killed some of my passion as well. And then I wasn't able to receive punches as well either just from draining my body and not rehydrating correctly. So I just didn't understand the game until I got with Mike Dolce. And I'm one of the fucker. He's got his shit down. He definitely knows how to make the human body lose weight correctly and then come back also. But it's all a journey.

33:32I learned a lot. It's a lesson. And I find out I know exactly who the fuck Dwayne Ludwig is now. That's for sure. That's for wrestling or anything. You know what you're capable of. I definitely know exactly what the fuck I'm capable of. Yeah, you know your limitations. I mean, there comes a point in time when you literally can go no further. You can take no steps. You can lift your body up. You're done. Can you get there, though? Do you get there, or do you decide that 10 steps before that is there? Because that could be the difference to winning a fight and losing a fight. The difference between being able to keep those RPMs up just a little while longer than the next guy. And that's what wrestling teaches you. because wrestling is a strange martial art in that you look at a guy like Askren who is not physically the most... Like Kevin Randleman is the most ridiculously physically impressive fighter

34:20I think I've ever seen. He's just a super alpha male mesomorphic build. But you look at Ben Askren, you don't see that. But if you said, who's the better wrestler? Well, the better dynamic athlete is Kevin Randleman, for sure. But man, as far as wrestling accomplishments, Ben Askren's more accomplished. And that's pretty incredible because in wrestling, you engage. There's going to be an engaging. And if you don't engage, you're going to lose points for it. So you're going to tie up and you're going to find out what the fuck is up once you do that. And there's a difference in that and the fact that it's going to go down. Whereas like kickboxing, man, we've all seen bouts where almost nothing happens. There's a lot of fucking moving. They both decide to coast. That shit can happen. Someone's question in the brain. You're talking about like boring fights and such.

35:03How about when was it the dance ever in and Ken Shamrock fought? Hey, you like that one? Mr. Rogan where you at? No, that one I was like this is But I think I had to go through that Look, I would have hated to watch it But I think we had to go through it as as martial arts like as a as a martial art like which mixed martial arts is essentially I mean, it is it is the sport most realistic to fighting And I think we had to know that that can happen that these two fucking guys can just circle each other and do nothing Yeah, we have to know we've seen a bunch of fights like that So then that's when instead of encouraging the stand-up be encouraged like a shot motherfucker Don't encourage shit man. This is what I say I say if a guy like Clay Guida can run away from gray Maynard for three rounds, then so be it So he can yeah, you know, I mean Maynard should not cut him off. Yeah, I get it

35:52I know what you're saying. You would like him to try to win, but he's not gonna yeah, okay? So that's possible too. So here's a guy who just decides to stay alive. He's not trying to win the fight. There's nothing wrong with that. I mean, I think there is. There is in watching it. I don't want to watch it. But then the market will dictate whether you watch that guy again. If you're going to watch a guy like Michael Chandler, he's a good example. Nice. A lot of guys don't know who he is. He's one of the best 155ers in the world, and he's a fucking animal. He's awesome. He comes after dudes. And so when you get a guy like that or a guy like Melvin Manhoof as a kickboxer, You get these wild berserker dudes, Matt Vanderlei Silva, you want to watch them. And so they're worth more money. And they're going to get booked more and they're going to get higher players.

36:35I mean, people are going to want to see that shit. So I think that if you have a boring style, you ultimately pay for it in your career. And that's how it should be. The market, I think, should dictate how you do with that style. But if you're a dude like Ben, let's say Ben Askren gets to the UFC, which is entirely possible now. I guess he's a free agent. and he just mugs GSP. Just gets all the GSP and just sticks his fucking chest on his face for five rounds and punches him in the head. Dude, I believe he could do it. He might. Look, but what if he does? Then what the fuck do we do? What if he can do that to everybody? What if Ben Askren just monkey fucks everybody? And every middleweight fight from here on out is like, in a lot of fans' eyes, is uneventful and boring. Guess what? That shit's real. Somebody has to figure out how to stuff to take down.

37:25Somebody has to figure out how to either hit him coming in or you've got to Marcelo Garcia him. You've got to get someone who's so high level on the ground that he can't stay in those positions. That's when it comes, you know, you're watching the film and you say, okay, he does this. So when he does that, I'm going to make him do that. By me doing this, he played the what if game. We play a lot of what if games. I don't want to give away any game plans in case any of your boys fight him. But without specific for any particular fighter. If someone was going to fight Ben Askren, how would you tell him about it? I have to study some films. I don't even watch them, to be honest. I have to study some films. Okay, how about Fitch? I know you watch Fitch. Yeah, I've watched Fitch. Fitch is similar in a lot of ways.

37:57But I'd have to watch film with the mindset of coaching against him because there's a difference. Because I watch film and I'll take a film. And it depends. Because some film I can watch or just go off memory, I already know how to beat the guy or how I feel I can beat the guy. So I get crazy with fucking watching film. And so I'll take a film. I used to anyway. I used to take a film, watch it sober. Boom. I used to take it and watch it high just to give me an honest approach because I am very biased. I'm there for my fucking guys 100%. so i'll so i noticed that i watch fights i'm like fuck man you know my guys can do this this this and i realize i'm not watching this with an honest open mind so and then i watch it on on alpha brain as well on it from alpha brain just to get different looks on things i have another guy in

38:36colorado mike tempo who watches the fights i asked the fighters to watch the fight so i get a whole bunch of film i'll make notes compare the notes see what we need to work with but some guys i can just watch the film and break it down and know right off the bat but i'd have to watch fitch to answer your question with the correct mindset of me being coaching because like me right now like i'm hyped up and like like the the rogue guy this is fucking awesome for me like i love this shit it's awesome for me i've learned so much like from the rogan podcast and from you and your guests you know like mike dolce alex gray graham hancock you know daniel billelli like you know joey cocodias like a lot of guys have been on here man i fucking i've learned more from this fucking podcast than i had you know in school or my life trials for sure 100 so like this has done

39:14a lot for me for me so for me to be on this man like it's it's fucking cool you know it's like i'm you know like i'm still relevant i'm doing things in life which is cool like you know like boss shooting stories on here, you know, like Boston, the fucking man, I love that guy. So where's my black belt, Boston? Where's it at? No, it's a, no, listen, it's the same for me, man. I know it's a podcast, Mr. If you keep interrupting me, I'm going to get motherfucking. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. Carry on. I have as well, like it's not a one way street, having these conversations with people like you, you know, I mean, being able to pick people's brains, being able to have these, well, it's these exchanges, you know, energy. Yeah. The exchange of that. That's what I love about it. What's a cool fucking journey for me is for me to create a combo or a technique and show it to somebody.

39:54You're going to have them drill it, pull it off the sparring, and then win the fucking fight with that same exact technique. That shit is fucking nuts. That's fucking cool, man. You know what's really cool about it? It really is artistic. Yes, it's art. Everything is an art. And especially considering the fact that there's really no established protocol to do it. Everybody has their own way. If you went to Greg Jackson, he would have one method to train a fighter. If you went to Matt Hume, he would have a different way of training a fighter. See, that's what I think. I've trained with Greg. I haven't trained with Matt. I've trained with Greg. He's got great stuff. He's got awesome stuff. Again, I'm making sure I'm adjusting to the athlete. I'm not trying to make them me. I'm trying to, you know, just like Chad Mendes, he hits mitts. He does certain things a certain way. TJ does things a certain way.

40:34I need to adjust to these guys. I need to give them my ideas, my opinions, my little bits of information while they're doing what they feel comfortable doing. Because if you can pull that off, what I would feel technically incorrect, but if you can make that work, you can make that work. What the fuck can I say? I can't argue with success. If you're landing that right hand with that hook, I'd say you're lunging in, your chin's up, you're out of position. You're making it work. You're making it work. But how about let's keep our position? How about let's set that up another way? Just give it another look at things. So to answer the question as far as I encourage my guys to get other pieces of information. Go train over there. Go get different looks. I want to bring people in. I want to start bringing – hopefully Boston come to T-Mobile and do a seminar. I'm hoping to bring Leister Bowling.

41:09Yeah, it doesn't take away from your value. It adds to it. Why don't you keep interrupting me? I'm helping you. Thank you. Don't get hung up on it. It's a conversation. You're not doing a lecture. We're talking. I just love it, man. I definitely want to have as much input because I don't want to be stubborn and set in my ways when I'm making these guys do one thing. I want these guys to be the best martial artists they can be. So if that means bringing other guys, that means visiting other gyms, man, fucking do it. I'm not here for me. I'm here for these fucking guys. That's a big thing, though, right? You have to bring in other people. I think so, 100%. And isn't that – that was a real problem with some trainers. Worried about other people coming in they were gonna take their thunder you know, what was really cool I was just about sorry I was just in Boston for a Uriah's fight and Mark Delagrande

41:46Handed me out for a seminar in there's open doors Let me teach the students and and it's the way you know his energy and shit make that was fucking awesome He's beautiful. He's a true martial artist man. I love that dude He's very very fucking cool and and he he did a technique of the week video just like you did as well for my bang with tie series So you know that that was awesome I got a great group of people around me like Mr Rogan, you know the team off the mail and my art design guy Aaron earning Colorado Colorado and my highlight guy, James Blair, who just did my new highlight with the team. That's a great highlight. He can edit some fucking video, man. What's the name of that if you want to find that on YouTube? Pull that shit up because it's pretty wild. It's the newest one. I think it's the latest upload or second upload on my YouTube channel, Bang with Ty YouTube channel.

42:24But I just made it a video. And 100%, I'm in Team Off Mill to do three things. We're in Sacramento to do three things. Take care of my family and I, get these motherfuckers world titles, and then to push my Bang with Ty brand. I need to take my martial art information and monetize it. I need to make money off that now. I mean, I ain't making no fucking money. I can 100%. I'm not rich, man. Like, for real. I'm trying to see real. I want to own a house. I want to have my shit paid off. I want to, you know, live a comfortable life for my family and I. I'm not going to be the martial artist who's not making any motherfucking money. Right. Well, you got it. I know too much not to teach. Yeah, as they become successful, then it'll trickle down to me, which is cool. I shouldn't say if they become successful. No, they are. Yeah, these motherfuckers are very successful. See, that's the thing, too.

43:02Like, before I came, look how successful they've been without me. Like I'm not trying to change shit. I'm just trying to tighten them up. I'm not trying like I'm fucking doing it I'm tightening them up It's because they're listening to me because they know I'm there for them So there's a couple layers to this onion of why of our success is not just me It's their belief in me as well as I carry myself and is the way they carry themselves I'm adapting to them. I'm not there trying to make them 20 Ludwig I make them the best martial arts that can help them be is there a danger of keeping the name alpha male? Because has it hit the the critical douche point yet? I worry about it. I worry about the alpha brain. I'm like man, you know It bros out It bros out At about a solid 7 Right now The Bang Muay Thai Smash I know You know I feel like I feel like Fucking Splinter From the Ninja Turtles And like

43:42These are my Ninja Turtles Just like Cause like In San Jose On April 20th It was rolled in Had fucking TJ Dillashaw Benavidez And Mendes All just come And just smash Their opponents And just leave It was like We just rolled Into the town Smashed them In the bounce Like that was The fucking Coolest shit ever I wish people Could experience That same That same energy That same It's just fucking Cool man Well you're seeing I love it You're absolutely seeing... I'm living that shit. I fucking love it, man. You're seeing improvement. Yes. You're seeing real technical improvement. You brought up Chad Mendes before. God damn, is that dude a fucking athlete. He is on another level. How Mike Tyson stuck out in the boxing world, this is Chad Mendes. He is a successful and a very dynamic, fucking just super athletic athlete. Yeah, I know he lost to Aldo, but I believe that was before you guys started working together, right? Correct, yeah.

44:26I've seen big leaps. I just came to the team in January. That's when I moved out there. He's got one of those freaky abilities to cover distance with punches. He is an explosive athlete. He's so fast. God damn. He's fast. He's on another level, 100%. That's the same thing when I was talking about Marcelo, like finishing up guillotines. There's guys like Mendez that hit takedowns. They hit doubles, and you're like, Jesus Christ. Dude, his takedown is a missile. It's impossible to stop. That's what's so crazy about Aldo, that Aldo stuffed that. I think Chad gave him too much respect. You know what I mean? I think Chad just gave him too much respect on some stuff. You have to, though. Yeah. I mean, you have to. No, I mean, give him respect, but not to the point where it's hindering your own ability. You think it was? That's the thing I did when I fought Ramon Deckers, you know?

45:08Like, I mean, you can't, I mean, you got to give Ramon Deckers all the respect in the world. Yeah, for folks who don't know, one of the greatest Muay Thai fighters all time, it's very arguable, the greatest. Yeah, 100%. And I just didn't, I just looked up to him too much, and I just didn't perform to my full ability, and that was disrespectful to him, I felt. So, you know, that was one of the things, too. But, you know, I mean, he socks me up and, you know, he won and he'd probably do it again. But I just didn't perform to my full potential. But, I mean, he'd probably beat my ass no matter what. I mean, I love that dude. And in all fairness, you also fought him. He was pretty late in his career, right? Yeah, late in his career and he still socks me up. Bullshit. Damn it. Yeah, he's good, man. I'm one of the fuckers. Yeah, man, much respect for that guy. He has bad ankles now or something?

45:44Well, he passed now. Oh, yeah. No, he died recently bike riding, right? He had a heart attack. Yeah. Fucking crazy, man. But he used to have really bad ankles, right? Like towards the end of his career, he had destroyed. I mean, he hit too hard for his weight and his body. You know, like the guy was a powerhouse. I mean, he was the Dutch windmill or something. I forgot one of his nicknames. But Ramon Decker's is badass. We found one of the videos, but when we went to the YouTube page, it said it didn't exist. Just look up Bang Muay Thai Highlight. I'll find it in three seconds. Here's a Thai punch slip drill. No, that's not it. Bang Muay Thai Highlight. Bang Muay Thai, Team Alpha Male Highlight. I bet you don't even have to write that. Yeah, you do, actually. Bang Muay Thai Highlight, Alpha Male Highlight. Yeah, that's it. Go to Bang Muay Thai Highlight and choose the third one down.

46:39It says Bang Muay Thai, Team Alpha Male. Put it up so we can see it. Uh-oh. You fucked up, Brian. Now, when we have the TVs off, it turns off the display monitor. Oh, okay. here we go back on who's that that's an instant anyway powerful instant anyway what a cool motherfucker we did like a 1 o'clock in the morning podcast yeah that was cool I heard that I listen to all kinds of podcasts man I love this I love this podcast that was so cool it was like him and Chuck just sitting here chilling that's gotta be cool man talking about the old days hoping out with the Fukushima and such man that's cool yeah nuts man they said Fukushima is getting worse and worse they're starting to see radiation in tuna wow showed elevated radiation 3% elevation and radiation of tuna that they're catching in California. Yeah, this is the highlight. Put that shit on full screen. This highlight is badass. This just got done today. Thank you, James Blair.

47:30This guy can freaking edit some videos, man. He's been hooking me up for a long time. He does all kinds of badass videos. What the fuck is that? There you go. Powerful promotion. I'm pumping my stuff, man. You know, I know too much. I'm saying I'm promoting you. Sorry, I thank you. Mr. Rogan, thank you, sir. You're welcome. I appreciate it. Yeah, whoever edited this is a fucking beast. James Blair. That guy's badass. He did an awesome job. Hey, Benavid. Where you at, Benavid? The music and everything. Look at his head kick. Man. I wanted to ask you about that, too. Yes, sir. The kicks to the back of the head. Well, let this play out first. Let it play out. Let it play out. It's fucking badass. There's the next UFC champion. Benavidez? Benavidez. It depends who gets the shot first, Chalamandez or Benavidez, both of them. I think it's going to be Chad that's closer to the title shot, just for the ranking situation.

48:27Benavidez is also getting better, man. He's a fucking animal. That was the same. Dillashaw, boof, where you at? Oh, I loved that fight. Dude, that was the first fight where I said, wow, you hit another level. You were clearly on another level. Technically, the way you were moving. Appreciate that. Cousin Leonard Garcia. That kid's a wild motherfucker. So is this one. Yeah. Benavidez is a wild motherfucker with nipple rings and shit. Tornado of punches, man. Dude weighs in with nipple rings on. He's a savage. Oof. Yeah, that was a great fight, too, man. You almost did that to me today on the mitts. Oh, you're an animal. This soundtrack sounds like you walking through a door in your TV show, Jeff. There's not enough screeching. Oh, for wolves calling. Damn. What a wild highlight. There. That's helping my Bangway Thai system. And what I do is I have a, each week I send out to my affiliates.

49:26I have four to ten detailed video curriculums showing them exactly what drill or technique to do that week. And each week I take my iPhone. That's what it is. Like I'm not just trying to sell you a banner of my name and put it on your gym. I take my fucking iPhone. Like we recorded the video today. I take my iPhone. I say, okay, I have my curriculum. I have my structured curriculum. Whatever we do this week, we do that same class in three or six months from now, depending on if it's an intermediate or fundamental curriculum. But I take my phone. I record the videos. mainly with TJ Dillashaw. I record, okay, this is the drill that you do. Boom. Here's life. Boom, boom, boom. Now you're going to do this drill five for five or one full round of pieces depending on what it is and what week it is as well. But I send them exactly what fucking drills and combos to do that week.

50:02Each and every week I send that shit out. And I'm very proud of it. I know too much not to teach, man. I love it. I wish I had this for me when I was coming up. And I love life now right now. It's fucking cool. Are you on Adderall right now? No. I'm excited. I'm fucking excited. I got whatever. What's this coffee? Bulletproof coffee And I took four alpha brains That'll do it Dude I'm telling you man Like this is fucking I love the What's the alternative Names for alpha brain I think you can get away with By the way I was only joking about The alpha brain Or alpha male thing I think you can get away with it Because people call us Death Squad Which is way douchier Right As long as you act cool man The name will be alright I'm heart pounding too hard You know what I mean He's making your heart pound Yeah Trying to follow him I'm excited man I love this shit It's like we're training Like I'm passionate I love that I know

50:48I love life, man. I love it. I came through so much bullshit as a child. I'm happy I can do what the fuck I want to do right now. I love life, man. It's fucking cool. I've got to make the decisions that I want to fucking make as an adult now. Well, most of the decisions anyway. It's good, man. Life's good. I'm living through these guys. They're going to get a fucking world title. It's going to be Benavidez or Chad first, depending on what shot we get first. I'm going to game plan the fuck out of that. But I'm going to game plan in there and make sure that I'm going to ask them to do what I feel they need to do for the fight. I'm not trying to make them me. right you're just enjoying watching I fucking enjoy this shit yeah man I'm learning to the point now that when I have a good time like this Rogan podcast where we train or I'm in the fights I'm learning to embrace that shit 100%

51:29as much as I can and then when I have a problem or a difficult time I'm stepping away and looking at that from the sides I don't want to be wrapped up in the problems I want to look at the problems from the distance and we have a good time when I'm in that cage and I'm walking these guys out and I'm fucking holding myths and on the podcast I'm trying to enjoy this shit to the full fucking potential that I can I'm going to be on this fucking earth for however long I'm going to be Knock your shit off TJ No gold stars for you I love this shit man I do You said I love it about a billion times We totally got that part of your message We got that part of your message We're well aware that you in fact love it Well I want to make sure other motherfuckers love their life too So they need to make the decision they need to make I think that doing something that people enjoy

52:13And doing something that you can help people with is one of the keys to happiness. That's one of the things, too. I'm seeing these guys get better human beings and martial artists. That's making me feel good. Well, isn't it an interesting thing? It's like being a fighter and being a training partner are two very different things, and then being a trainer is another very different thing. And a lot of people don't understand that. To be a good training partner, you have to, first of all, you have to know where a fighter is in their development. You've got to not take advantage of them. You've got to not hit them. When you know they're doing five fresh guys in a row, don't be a dickhead. Just make them work. Make the guy work. That's what you're supposed to be doing. I ask the guys at the gym. I tell them, you know, I ask them. Did you interrupt me now, bitch? Yes, I did. You ready to go? What's going on here?

52:52What the hell? Let's beat him up, dude. Bang with a podcast before you're at. What I was going to say. Sorry, carry on. No, I'm just kidding. No, carry on. I was going to say that being a trainer is another, that's the next thing. It's a completely different thing. And in that, you're benefiting entirely on other people benefiting from you. And you take your pride in molding them as fighters, you know? For sure. It's a very different experience though, right? It is a different experience, but it's something I've been doing since I was 19 anyway, is just helping professional athletes train. It's just because I need to train the partners. I'm telling the guys, if I'm doing this, look out for this, and just helping people break things down, help coach me as well. So it's been a give and take, and now for me to do it full time, man, and again, I'm not even going to say it, but I love it.

53:34Do you think you're happier as a trainer than you were as a fighter? 100%. I was too stressed, and I understood that when I win the fight, I'm going to make so much. If I didn't win the fight, I'm going to make this much. And that was, that was a hard thing for me. And I've, I've reached my, um, like in 2004, after I won my second world title on kickboxing, my first world title was MMA with Jans, and then my second world title was a tight boxing world title. So once I made, once I did that, I completed my, the goals that I set in my life. And then from there, things changed for me. You could look at the, just the statistics of my record. It was boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Maybe, you know, lost your two, boom, boom, boom, Was it just a matter of just not being able to keep up certain RPMs, or was it the training environment? You know, I'm not quite sure where to push the blame, but the main thing for me to say—

54:22What's the blame? Well, you know, it just depends on how you look at it. Well, obviously, right? Life. But I just set a goal to win the world title, kickboxing world title, when I was a child. My first world title was MMA world title. I didn't complete my goal. So I went for the world—the kickboxing world title, came around, and I finally got it. So then that just changed things for me. I should have said my goal was too low, basically. What title did you have in MMA? When I fought Jens Pover in UCC in Canada. That was his first fight once he left the UFC. That was a quick knockout too, right? Correct. Yeah, that was when you were really super fucking sharp back then. Really super sharp, especially when you were striking. Yeah, correct. I was healthy, I was enthusiastic, everything was good. But once I won my second world title, I just set my goals too low.

55:07And then I started searching for, okay, I need a certain opponent to motivate me. or I need a certain training gap. Maybe I need to go train here. I started searching for things. Maybe money's going to motivate me. I started searching for things to motivate me because I'm just very black and white. I'm going to win a world title. I set my goal. I went to it. I got it. I was kind of like, now what? Do you ever stop and go, damn, I wish I had somebody like me training me? I say that 100% of the time. That's why I tell these fucking guys too. I'm there coaching them. I'm there for them. Pay attention. Don't waste my fucking time. Don't show a play. Don't do the drill half-assed. We're doing split seconds and fractions of an inch. It's got to be fucking done right or don't fucking do it. And there's more money in MMA now. There's more money in MMA now, for sure. Back when you were in King of the Cage.

55:44Yeah, my first two fights in King of the Cage, I got zero money. Yeah, the King of the Cage one when you pulled off the karate kick. Oh, story time. All right, here we go. So it was, you know, I was nervous for the fight. So apparently the promoter told me that that fighter wanted to, he asked to fight me. So I took that personal. I was like, okay, all right, motherfucker. He wanted to fight me. So I'm backstage. I'm a little, you know, I'm not little. I'm nervous as fuck for the fight. And so boss sees that I'm nervous and he wants me to relax. He goes, hey, Dwayne, if you want to throw him off, do the karate kid. And I'm like, but I look back at it now. I see what he's trying to do, just relax me. By the time, I'm like, fuck, boss. I'm nervous as fuck. I'm going to go fight. I'm like, you know, knocking off. So I got to the point of the fight where I was just socking him up. I, you know, had my wings.

56:23I was doing what I wanted. And then it just came to me, just a kind of little tribute to boss. You do the karate kid. And then I went back to fighting, and then, you know, they stopped the bout. But so, you know, I took that. That's my angel logo. There's a couple pieces to that. got the wings because I feel like I always make the right decisions. I don't really screw people over. So you feel like you have an angel? Correct. Watching over you? Well, no. It's just, you know, for me. You are an angel. It's part of me. I feel like I always do the right things. And the head's bowed down as far as, you know, so I'm not above people. I'm just doing what I feel is right in life. So you gave yourself some wings? I gave myself some wings, yes. Trademarking my shit. Birds are cunts. Do you know that? Birds are like some of the shittiest, fucking nastiest animals. You should give yourself like puppy ears. Yeah.

57:05Just to show that you're really lovable and perfect. How come everybody wants to be an eagle? Nobody wants to be a puppy. Puppies are like way sweeter than eagles. Eagles are fucking assholes. Well, yeah, eagle eat a puppy. Snatch that motherfucker right out of your hands. They can fly. We'll see. Take him off to a treetop and eat his brains. That puppy's got to work his footwork, you know, his basics. He's got to be moving, motherfucker. Let's go. Come on, that's rude. He's a baby. You know, we've got to. The parents should have been watching the fucking kid, right? It's true. Little bangs. Little bangs always training. Little bangs. Yeah, for real. If he sees the logo, like he's watching the highlight video this morning, and that just got finished today. He sees the angel logo. He goes, that's me. So it's awesome. My little boy. His name's Dwayne Bang Ludwig, my little boy. So he's badass.

57:41And I have a third baby on the way. And his middle name's going to be Boss. So that's going to be cool. Okay. I was going to say, you can't name him Dwayne 2. Go George Foreman. No, it's Dwayne Bang, Bang Ludwig. This is Dwayne number 2. This is Dwayne Bang, Bang. This is Dwayne Poop. Like George. Coochie Coop. George Foreman, I guess, named all his kids George. Yeah. He did. Yeah. He did. Easy to remember that. He was a bad motherfucker. Yeah, for sure. He was just too bad to have other kids, like, to have kids without his name. He's like, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. Like, George, you can't name them all George. Well, yes, I can. Yeah, I will. I can and I will. Bitch, you know who I am? Exactly. He's like, I'm not a regular dude. Like, he feels like he can get away with shit that other people can't. And he's right. Yeah. You know?

58:20I mean, and to people that try to stop that, he's going to call his kids George, and you're going to have to fucking deal with it. That's just a fact. Yeah. That's life. That means you're a bad man. Just like when we positioned for the Fastest Knockout to come around. They said no, but you kept pushing for me. And then the fans and then finally Dana White stepped in. It's like, okay, no, it's official with the UFC. But it's only faster by 200 seconds. I'm an amateur MMA historian. So for me, it was like, I have all these details sort of stored in my head. I don't really carry it around on a computer. I literally have all these details because I love MMA. So for me, it was always a travesty. It was like, if we're going to bring up the record, you've got to bring up Bang Ludwig. So someone will bring up the record, but I'll go, well, but it's not the real record.

59:04Dwayne Bang Ludwig should have the fucking record. That's cool. That's just a fact. Yeah, I appreciate that. But as an historian, as an MMA historian, every fight has an asterisk. John Jones has one loss. Okay, you can call it that. But he beat the fuck out of Matt Hamill, and he was smashing him. And the only reason why that 12-6 elbow is illegal is because when the athletic commission met with Big John McCarthy, They were concerned about those dudes on ESPN at 6 o'clock in the morning. They're smashing bricks with their elbows So they're like you can't do that brick smashing move that shit's too powerful Yeah, and so everybody's like alright But meanwhile like maybe it's arguable that this elbow is more powerful than the downward elbow like the downward elbow doesn't seem to have as much Weight behind it as like the a straight elbow. How is it any more dangerous?

59:44It's crazy doesn't make any sense, but we're stuck with it. We're like totally completely stuck with it Yeah, that's legal in Thai boxing. Yeah, it totally should be legal. It's an elbow. I mean, if you can hit a guy with a knee to the face, you're telling me you can't. You know how fucking hard a knee is to the face? You can hit him with that, but you can't hit him with an elbow like that. That is ridiculous. A knee might be three times harder than an elbow. You know, like, when you see what Alistair did to Travis Brown's body? Like, God damn. Nobody throws knees to the fucking body like the ream. He can crack some knees for sure. God damn. Watching it in real life, it's like he's doing something totally different. Everybody's doing one thing, but when he's doing it, it's like he's going through your fucking body. That Travis Brown, you can't teach that kind of heart. You can't teach that shit.

60:29That dude has zero give up in him. It is nothing. If he had 1% give up in him, a half of a percent, the fight's over. He literally weathered the craziest nuclear fucking winter storm, solar fucking flares. He weathered the craziest shit ever. But because he didn't take it to the head It was all just about him having the guts And the heart to power through it If Alistair hit him with those shots in the head His body would just shut off But because he took him to the body His heart got him through One of the craziest beatings I have ever witnessed anybody survive And then overcome in the same fucking round I mean that's one of the greatest Come from behind rounds of all time I actually missed that fight God damn it We were walking back from Uriah's fight. Because Uriah was on the car to write Faber. So we were walking back through the tunnel after his fight.

61:25As they were fighting, we were doing his doctor check and such. So I was backstage. But as we're walking through one of the rooms, I hear, oh, and I'm like, fuck. So I run through and peek my head through the window, and I see Alistair just dropping. Dude, it's the craziest fight ever. It's one of the craziest fights ever. I wonder if we could show it. I need to get permission from Dana White if we could just show these things. Because sometimes they pull YouTube videos. For folks who don't know, if shit gets pulled off of YouTube, a lot of times there's a bot that just searches for certain names. If you write UFC in a title, they'll just yank our shit. They'll just take it offline. So there's a code name. So you put Y-O-U-F-C. Yeah, and there's a lot of videos that have me online that they put advertisements on. There's a company that does that. They'll do it for you.

62:04If it's your content, they put your content online. You put an advertising on it, and you get like a penny. Oh, the AdSense account or something? Yeah, it's a fascinating thing, but for the UFC, they don't play. So if it says UFC anywhere in the video, they just yank it. They just pull it offline. Is there a law that if their TV's in the background and you're filming with your cell phone, that that's legal? Because that seems like when you ever search Miley Cyrus from MTV last night, and it's only the ones that are people filming their TV. That's a good question. And that's why I always wondered if people always had a TV behind them that showed video clips and stuff like that, because that's kind of like... That's a, well, I know, I do know that one thing, that if you have a video, like say if you have a video, like a scene from a movie, that that scene from a movie has a digital signature.

62:50They can find that digital signature on like YouTube. So like a song as well, like a song has a digital signature. And so they can do a search on that digital signature. So if this says there's a Paul McCartney band on the run, they're playing band on the run in a video, they can find that that has band on the run in it. Somehow or another, they can do that. if you take it and you film it with your phone me and obviously i'm an idiot to not listen to me here i'm just speculating i know nothing about computers but from my idiot perspective i would imagine that it would have a different digital signature it would be a different length the sound quality would be different if you were doing it from a phone you'd have the ambient noise of the room that you're doing in you might have you breathe you might fart maybe a lot of

63:31shit is on the video it's not so i might not recognize it but that's just i don't even know I speculate. Fucking wasted all your time. Yeah. Damn software. A lot of people out there going, oh, yeah, Joe Rogan says it's totally legal because he fought it or something. You keep on questioning everything. You can't stop. Let me ask this on that show. I looked up the one. I think I'm done questioning things. With the one with chemtrails. Yeah. That one, I don't know either way. I'm not fucking up there. But there is a difference between the ones that do dissipate right away and the ones that stick around. Well, again. What do they say about that? I'm absolutely not a scientist. Anything that I will say on any, whether it's about fucking air travel or space exploration, anything that I'll say on anything, the caveat that must be stated is I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.

64:20I have no education on these subjects, and I'm merely reiterating things that I've heard people say online. If you were to say that, everyone would think so, though. You know what I mean? You sound confident about it. That's the problem. You know what I mean? That's the problem. It's awesome. Yeah, I sound like an idiot. especially if I'm wrong and I'm super confident that's how cult gets started yeah people are confident people want to listen to them but I'm super honest about what I know and what I don't know I'm fucking as honest as is humanly possible even if it makes you look like an asshole but in that situation I do know for a fact that when contrails are more likely there's a map on a NASA website you can go to NASA's website and they'll show you where contrails will linger in the sky and where they won't

65:01In fact, in 1942, the government was doing a research project on what they called persistent condensation trails. And what they discovered is during various atmospheric conditions, whether there's a lot of moisture in the atmosphere or less moisture, depending on what the conditions are, it will change the length of the contrails that appear behind jets. And when you burn jet fuel, it creates moisture. And when you create moisture out of that burning jet fuel and it changes the temperature of the air as it passes through like that, you literally create a cloud. And so when people are looking at that and they're thinking, oh, the government's spraying us with fake clouds, it's very easy to think that. It's very easy. And this does not mean that they haven't done tests and really unethical things with spraying aerosols from planes. We know they have.

65:47We know that pesticides are sprayed from planes, okay? So we're familiar. We have that archetype in our head of spraying poison. We've seen the footage from Vietnam where they sprayed Agent Orange to defoliate vast parts in jungles. We've seen all that shit. So we're wary of things that are sprayed from planes. And you should be. But you should also know that there is a huge difference between that and what you're seeing in the sky on a regular basis. And when you start saying that what you're seeing in the sky on a regular basis is the government spraying chemicals, you really throw a monkey wrench into the whole idea of them actually spraying chemicals. Because, first of all, the argument is they're spraying aluminum and barium. Again, I'm not a scientist. I'm half retarded. Again, took a lot of shots of the head as a youngster.

66:31But the reality is if they did spray aluminum and barium in the sky, it wouldn't linger like a cloud. It's lingering like a cloud because it's a cloud. And I know a lot of people have invested a long amount of their life wanting to think that what they're seeing is chemicals. And so it fucks with you because it's hard to admit you're wrong. It's hard to change gears. We all know that. But in this situation, we have to look at it. There might be times when someone's spraying something from the sky, but the majority of what you're seeing is just a byproduct of a jet engine going through condensation. And then there's the reality. People say, well, are they geoengineering? No, but yes. So here's the reality. The reality is, even though it's just an accidental byproduct of jet travel, it does change the environment. And it is geoengineering. But it's not on purpose. Not on the purpose, yeah.

67:23It's just a part of flying. If we're going to have... There's 93,000 fucking flights a day worldwide. A day. So they're burning jet fuel in the sky above your head. They're taking toxic fuel in fucking 100-gallon wings full of this shit. Your wings are filled up with fucking fuel. And they're burning that shit up in the sky and creating clouds. Fuck yeah, it changes the environment. But it's just like pollution changes the environment in L.A. When you drive it on the highway, it's not the government spraying pollution, okay? It's fucking pollution. It's just a byproduct of human civilization. And a byproduct of air travel is, A, they're burning jet fuel in the sky, and B, it creates persistent condensation trails under certain atmospheric conditions. This is the best that I could discern after research and talking to real experts.

68:12But this doesn't, this is where people go, you're a fucking disinformation agent, Joe Rogan's working for the government. You gotta stop and look at this shit rationally. If you're wrong about the majority Of what you see in the sky You discredit the possibility The very real possibility That things have been done Like there's a study about St. Louis I think it was St. Louis Hold on, let me pull this up St. Louis There was something that was in the news Really recently that they discovered Radiation I think chemtrails are just an excuse for pansies That like to look at clouds A reason to look up in the sky I'm just curious on why some stick around and why some don't. Okay, so here, well, this is because of atmospheric conditions. There's a difference between sometimes it rains and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes there's clouds, sometimes there's nothing in the sky.

68:58The conditions apparently when it's right before a crowd, like it's kind of hazy, those are the conditions that are best for creating these persistent condensation trails. And people have to understand these are fucking Southwest Airlines flights you're looking at. These are unmarked government planes. Man, do you really know that? What kind of telescope do you have? How much research have you actually done? Or are you like me? Do you just reiterate shit that you learn online? Well, doing this show and doing the show on chemtrails, more people got fucking mad at me because of chemtrails than anything. And I take part of the blame for that. One of the reasons why is because I think they did a shitty job of editing it. And there's no disrespect. But the way the people edit that show, they have eight hours of footage. They have to slam down into 44 minutes.

69:40To them, it wasn't important to totally, completely explain what causes a chemtrail. I didn't have 100% say, or a contrail, rather. I didn't have 100% say as to how the show got edited. I had say after the fact. I would voice my opinion. It would get overruled, or they would listen to me. It varied. And in this, I lost. And in this, I think we created a bad product. I don't think it represented fully the correct, full explanation of what contrails are. I think because it's such a complex issue, I think we owed a very complex and scientific explanation. But the problem is people think that shit's boring. Like what I just said right now, the majority of people listening that would watch American Idol would go, what the fuck are you yapping around? This podcast is not for everybody, you know? And this conversation is not for everybody.

70:26But if you want to make a TV show, it kind of has to be for everybody for the network to accept it. Until it becomes really successful or finds its niche and then people, you know, like South Park, they can do whatever the fuck they want. because it's a proven product. If you had another show where you tried to make a cartoon where a gay guy is stuffing Paris Hilton up his ass and winning a slut off, they would go, what the fuck are you talking about? No, you can't do that. But South Park is so successful and they're so proven in the market that they do that. But when your show's not proven, it's hard to have your say as to how things get done. It's a complex dance. And I don't think we pulled it off. But it's part of the thing of creating something, like when you're trying to create a show. I feel personally responsible for it, though, because a lot of people got angry,

71:08and I think a lot of that anger could have been avoided. When I first started looking at chemtrails online, I, too, believed that it was a possibility. Like, is it possible they're just pulling this off right in front of our face? They're just spraying the sky? But then the more you look into it, you go, no, there's photos from 1980 that show these contrails, like long ones that lingered in the sky. People say, when we were younger, they didn't linger. Actually, they did. You just don't remember. They pay attention. How much the fuck do you pay attention to clouds that are created by jets when you're 8? Can you really tell me exactly what the fuck you saw? I barely remember shit I did last week. I'm being honest. I barely remember important shit. I did shows that I did that were great. I got a standing ovation. I barely remember them.

71:48You're telling me you remember these contrails from when you were eight years old? Do you remember the footwork drill that we did today? I fucking remember that shit, dude. I learned some stuff. I learned some stuff from DwayneBang.com today. Dwayne, won't let you forget it either, man. These people that I'm talking to, there's a problem with doing this show. And this is why I don't know if I'm going to continue doing it. I mean, first of all, sci-fi hasn't asked me to do it again. But even if they do, I have to really think about how it's – I don't think I'm doing what I want to do. I don't think it's coming out the way I want it to come out. There's part of it that is. Like there was an episode we did on transhumanism. It's all complicated, the science of extending human life. Oh, okay.

72:23I love that because I got to talk to all these super intelligent people and pick their brain and ask really important to me questions. I'd love that. But talking to people that are telling me they're seeing bulletproof wolves and ghosts and shit that pops out of the wormhole and out came a bulletproof wolf. Oh, that sure happened. I'm sure you didn't have a camera. I mean, why would you while you're out there hunting for bulletproof wolves? I got tired of it. I got tired of talking to people that are just crazy people or silly people or people that need a fucking hug. There's a lot of that out there. Yeah, that's true. 100%. And there's also a lot of people that really believe what they are saying. And it's not because they're assholes. It's because they lack critical thinking skills.

73:06Whether no one's taught it to them, whether they've ignored them, whether it's the way they were raised, whether it's the environment they grew up in, whether it was the ideas they were exposed to as a young person. I don't know what has caused the situation that we're talking about. But there's a lot of people out there that are thinking in a very piss poor way. And I've been one of them in the past, man. I've believed in a lot of stupid shit in the past. that I was convinced probably was real. There's a thing, I always talk about this, a thing called rods. These fucking, they look like jellyfish that fly through the air faster than you could see. There's a whole video on them, Roswell rods. Then I watched a show called Monster Quest where they showed what they really are. It's just a video artifact. Like when you have a camera and it's going on slow motion and something flies past in front of it,

73:46it stretches the image out and makes, it's a blur. It's a fucking blur. So I was convinced these things were flying through the air all around us because I had seen this video. And I was like looking for them. Dude, the guy who made this video does not want to admit that they don't exist. Not only that, he actually showed up at the UFC Expo when I was doing a Q&A. And he got in line and said he needed to talk to me about Roswell Ros. He needs to come on my podcast because they are real. And those people on MonsterQuest fucked him. I don't know how they could have fucked him because they basically showed the same scene. There was a campfire or a light and a bunch of bugs were flying in front of the light. and they set two cameras in front of it. One of them was an HD super fast camera that they used for like super slow-mo and the other one was like a regular video camera.

74:32Well, the regular video camera showed these rods. They were flying across because it's an artifact. And if you look at how it's flying across the video, it's not flying that fast. Like I can see it. So how can I not see it with my eyes but I can see it on camera? And then the other one just showed it's just bugs. Joe, did you see the underwater ones and the space ones? Oh, for choice, don't be real. there is without a doubt information the government has been hiding dude what you're doing right now is called you're making a plea to ridicule rods are just tiny chemtrails nice they might as well be you know I thought they were real man I really did I saw a video once that showed that there were fucking buildings on the moon this fucking guy he had these images oh even worse than that how about the face of Mars How about that motherfucker? You ever see the face on Mars? No.

75:23Yeah, but there's images that people will swear to you. The government has basically doctored the second, more high-resolution images. There was some photos they took like a long time ago of Mars, and as they flew over Mars, it shows what looks like a five-sided pyramid, I think, and a face, a face on Mars. I've seen those photos, yeah. Even my own friend who I love dearly, Graham Hancock, wrote a dumbass book about all this shit. I love this friend dearly. Dumbass. Tom asks, but he admits it was a mistake. He admits it. But shit, that shit's important, man. Clearly, it's a faith. If you look at the shape, it does not appear in nature. This is either two eyes. Bitch, you don't know what the fuck you're looking at, okay? You're looking at a spot that you decided. That's like looking at the clouds and thinking that you're seeing dragons. You also could be seeing a fucked up cloud,

76:13because clouds aren't perfect symmetrical squares, you shithead. All right? You're looking at some things that you can barely tell what the fuck you're looking at. Clearly, it's a faith on Marth. And there's a dude who has these videos where he measures these arbitrary distances. Like, if you measure from the nose to the left front center of that pyramid, it is the exact same distance as the sphinx to the Pyramid of Jesus. Oh, yeah. And you're like, how the fuck did you come to that conclusion? In the White House. Yes, if you look at it from the White House in a 44-inch television in the corner where Clinton used to get his blowjobs, From that room, clearly the pyramid has a face on it That looks like the face on Mars I rest my case And people fucking buy the DVD And call each other on the phone And dude, there's some shit you gotta see There's some man who's dropping some truth

76:58Some mad truth about the pyramid And the next thing you know, you're getting fucking email blasts Have you seen this about the pyramid? You motherfuckers It's not a fucking face on the Mars There might be But that's not it I mean, there might be some other shit It doesn't mean there's not some other shit As a matter of fact, the pyramid shapes on Mars are way more interesting than the face. Because the face, when they show the high-resolution image of the face, these have been doctored, clearly doctored. These are not high-resolution photographs. In fact, they are less than half of the gigabytes that it would be if it was a true 85-gillipickle fucking picture. But there are some symmetrical objects that exist that do look like five-sided pyramids. You pull up that because that is kind of interesting. I want to see that. Yeah. It's kind of interesting.

77:45But it's also possible that those things exist naturally. There's a lot of weird shapes that exist naturally. Like there's this, I forget what it's called, Giants something, Giants Causeway, I think, in Ireland. Let me think if that's it. Let me see if that's it. But it's this crazy rock formation that's totally natural. Ireland. I-R-L-E-N. I think that's what it is. I need to get the images here. Yeah, that's it. Go there. Where? Go to Giant's Causeway in Ireland and tell me this shit doesn't look like some motherfuckers were building a building. But it's not. It's not at all. It's just some weird, crazy, natural formation. If you saw this on an image of Mars, if someone sent you this, clearly these are cobblestones on a Martian street. They have cars like ours. They're probably shaped like us. Go to that. Look at these images. Look at this shit. Look at that. Where is this? This is in Ireland.

78:41Tell me if you saw that on Mars. You wouldn't start shitting your pants. Clearly, there is a sophisticated civilization. That's just natural shit. Perhaps aliens came down and ruined them, took their women. Look at that. I mean, that shit looks so unnatural. 100%. It looks like someone made a cool-ass cobblestone street. But it's just a natural formation when these, I don't know, what the fuck causes the stones to be shaped in these weird patterns. But look at that. If you looked at that, you would swear that has to be made by somebody. But it's not. It's totally natural. And there's varying stages of it. They can actually see how it's developed. I don't know. I'm obviously not a, what are they called? What's the geologist? Expert. Someone who understands rocks. Those dudes, they look at it. There's another disagreement that Graham Hancock has with some of the people.

79:38Graham Hancock is this famous dude who wrote this book called Fingerprints of the Gods. Brilliant, brilliant guy. And he's exposed a lot of really fascinating shit about ancient civilizations. And he's headed right now to Gobekli Tepli. He's going to be back on the podcast in November. He's going to Gobekli Tepli live to check this out. Because Gobekli Tepli is essentially a structure that affirms all of his beliefs. he believed that there was an ancient civilization that lived far earlier than we're giving modern civilization credit for and that they were capable of very sophisticated things but something happened and they were most likely wiped out by like meteors or something like that well two things have happened since he wrote that book one the discovery of gobekli tepe 14,000 years old as old as 14,000 years old fucking massive stone pillars with animals carved in them

80:29Back when they thought that people were just like riding on horseback, barely, you know, hunting, gathering, like that's all they did. Meanwhile, they're building these insane, huge, complicated structures. And the discovery of the impact of the Clovis Comet. They know for a fact that most likely all of the life in North America, like all of the people that lived in North America were wiped out about 12,000 plus years ago. They know that a huge comet hit, it's called the Clovis Comet, And there was a recent discovery about it, a recent article that was published about it. So they know that there's been some shit that went down. So because of that, Graham has this eager searching eye. And occasionally, even he gets fooled. He'll look at something and he'll think that this thing can't be a natural formation. But then you look at something like the giant's cause, and you go, it might be.

81:18There's this thing in Japan off of the coast of Yamaguchi, I think it's called. I forget the name of the place. The one underwater? Yeah. Yeah, really interesting shit, but it could be natural. If you look at this Giant's Causeway thing, it could be natural, too. It could be weird. Go to GrahamHancock.com and pull the images, the underwater images of these structures. So if you see these structures, you can kind of see why someone could say, Man, this is man-made. This is definitely man-made. But it doesn't necessarily have to be. But that's what's really important. Whenever you're searching for information, you've got to be open to all fucking possibilities. You can't be married to something being real. And where I think a lot like this, they think this is, he thinks this is like a ring of service. It might be. Yeah, fine. Or it might.

82:02It's not as symmetrical as Giant's Causeway, which we know fucking for sure is artificially, is naturally created, rather. So it's like when you come across things like this or things like chemtrails, like you've got to be really sure what the fuck you're saying. And a lot of times people aren't. They're just not. One of the guys we interviewed for the show was a really nice guy. His name is Michael Murphy. And he wrote these documentaries. He made these documentaries called What in the World Are They Spraying? And Why in the World Are They Spraying? I didn't realize how crazy he was until I seen your show. I shouldn't say crazy. He's a nutty dude. He doesn't operate on the same wavelength as I do. Yeah, he's a little high strung. You're a little high strung too, fella. Somebody listened to this podcast. He's like, hello, pet fucking kettle.

82:44There should be a warning not to drink caffeine before you listen to this one. Is this bulletproof coffee? What coffee is this? Bulletproof. My man, good stuff. There's going to be all these people flying off their treadmills. This is every day, though. Yeah, I'm always hyper as fuck, yeah. I know you are. I don't even have to drink caffeine before practice or anything because he gets me going so much. Yeah, that's good stuff, right? Yeah. This stuff is awesome, too, this bulletproof stuff. A lot of people are saying they give you heart attacks. Whatever, bitch. What are you, a pussy? I drink it daily. You're a heart attack? Yeah. I don't know if it gives you... I think that cholesterol most certainly is probably bad for you if you live the average American life. But you know what's really bad for you? the average American life. That's what's bad for you. I, on the other hand, can drink this shit all day long

83:25because I work out like a terrorist. All right? What did you say? Did you hear that Uber is purchasing 2,500 of those driverless cars? Ooh. And can you imagine now just being on your phone and be like, pick me up, and this car with no person in it picks you up? Oh, that's coming, right? That's coming for sure. Like those called taxis? Well, you know, my car, I got an Infiniti, and it recognizes the distance between the car in front of me and slows down. Oh, wow. And then when the car goes further, it speeds up. Like, say if you set your speed limit, you set it to 65 in the cruise control, and it knows where you're going. Wow. It slows you down. Like, you can just let your foot off the pedal and just chill. And, like, you know, you have to have your foot ready to brake. Yeah. Some deer runs across the front or some shit. Actually, you're not supposed to brake, right? No. But deer goes in front of you.

84:11You're just supposed to smash it. Don't fucking nail them. For sure, yeah. That sucks, man. That's hard to do. Drive a nice car. Free deer meat. Fucking deers going right through your windshield Especially if you have a Miata or some shit You see an elk You might want to hit the brakes Miata stopped pretty quick You don't want to hit a fucking elk with a Miata There was a show that I watched Called Pigman You ever watch that show? This motherfucker First of all, the reason why I brought this up Is they have these trucks with these giant grills In the front of them Because there's so many wild deer and wild pigs In Texas that they just run into those bitches on the highway all the time, and they will fuck your car up. So dudes have special bumpers on their car just designed to smash into deer. It's like some Mad Max shit. So you have this gigantic pickup truck with this fucking metal battering ram that literally

85:02cuts like a V straight towards the... I mean, these are crazy fucking bumpers. The show, they were... It's called Aporkalypse 2013. Pull the video up, because I put it on Twitter. This is the nuttiest fucking shit I've ever seen in my life. Nuttier than this is a Buddhist area of Japan where they feel that deer are sacred. There's a video that I tweeted about all these deer everywhere. This is not the approach. I miss Japan. Japan were fun trips, man. They're really cute. They're delicious. I'll shoot those fuckers. I would shoot them right there if everybody went to sleep. I'd pull out a bow and arrow and shoot them right from the hotel. I'm hoping the UFC goes back to Japan. One of these guys found the card. I miss Japan. Another one of those trips where I can actually eat food and relax and not stress about my own fight. That'd be good. Pull that other video up because It's a crazy thing to look at.

85:49They're shooting pigs from a helicopter. Him and Ted Nugent. This is a new one, though. This is a two-parter. They did it last year. It was Let There Be Pork, I think. But this is a Porkalypse 2013. It's a two-parter. One of them, he's shooting bows and arrows. He's shooting bows and arrows out of a fucking helicopter at pigs. Yes way! And killing them. He said it's the only time it's ever been done. Yeah, for sure. He killed three pigs with a bow and arrow. You gotta listen to this, because this is fucking crazy. Dude, it's hard enough to shoot a bow and arrow from the ground. This is the craziest thing the Sportsman Channel has ever done. They're setting it up like, these pigs are dangerous. Which is true. But look at this. That's Pigman and Ted Nugent. This might be one of the greatest. I mean, look, I'm not a fucking heartless person.

86:45But there is a reality that they have a real problem with these wild pigs. And there is a problem with feeding hungry people as well. They absolutely donate all of that meat to Hunters for the Hungry. Damn, look at that. Yeah, he's shooting a fucking bow and arrow at a pig from a helicopter. Hunters for the Hungry, they donate all this meat. So this meat goes to needy families. It's a really good wild game. It's very healthy for you. And these people are very fortunate to be able to get free meals like this. That said, they're not hunting. Okay, they're eradicating Look, he just shot it with a bow and arrow Dude, they're eradicating What they consider to be problem animals And people say, well, humans are fucking problem animals Like this one animal rights activist Went fucking bananas when I posted this video It was really interesting I read his timeline He was calling for a Ted Nugent to

87:32A, fight him in a bar fight Two, he was calling him To either kill himself or die Like over and over again, calling for him to die You want to kill a person But meanwhile, this animal killing bothers you, so you want to commit violence in the person. You're protecting the animal by also acting violently. Yeah, I got so much crap on Twitter for when I went bear hunting and got a giant bear. Did you get a grizzly? No, black bear. So did you eat it? So we donated all the meat to the local Indians. I hunted on the Crow Indian Reservation in Montana. And the bear that I killed, I donated it to the local Indians there. because, I mean, you should see this Indian reservation, how they're living. You know, it's pretty bad. And I killed this giant bear and posted it on Twitter, and people were eating me up over it. Of course. Yeah, and they don't realize that by me doing that,

88:22I'm actually helping out the population of other animals in the bear. At that time, the bears, they'll kill their own cubs so that they can mate again. You know what I mean? Yes. Yeah, well, if they're in a bad situation where there's low resources, you know, people don't like the idea that the resources have to be maintained and that if you really study it, and it's so hard to do, but try to talk to someone who really understands game conservation and try to study it from an objective perspective because there is a certain amount of predators that can exist in an environment and there's a certain amount of prey that can exist in an environment and they know what that number is. Exactly. They know how to manage that and they're very diligent about it. They change the limits all the time like they do with the salmon population in Alaska. They monitor it very closely with salmon weirs.

89:06They make sure that the populations are healthy. They get good numbers running through so people can or can't fish. They open seasons. They close seasons on a whim. If they go, look, there's not enough fish coming through this weir. Boom, they shut the season down. And that's called responsible management. If you don't have responsible management for wildlife, especially when it comes to deer, you get overpopulation and you get fucking diseases. They get a lot of wasting disease. You get Lyme disease, which spreads throughout the East Coast. There's people that are fucked up from Lyme disease. and Lyme disease comes from deer ticks. And people have to understand, there's more, and I've read this recently. No, Ted Nugent told me this recently. Not me, he doesn't like me. But if you talk to me, he probably thinks I'm a liberal. But if you talked, on his show, he was talking about how there is more wildlife

89:55as far as deer and as far as coyotes and as far as whatever, wild game in this country now than when Christopher Columbus came here. Oh, wow. How fucking crazy is that? First of all, how the fuck do you know that? How do you know that? Who was to count back then? But second of all, if he's right, and the idea is that with less forest than there used to be back then, like before, it was like fucking forest everywhere. The deforestation has actually created larger areas. Like agriculture has created much more opportunity for deer to eat. So there's more deer now than ever before. They're more successful because there's less like mountain lions around and shit, because there's people around. They hear the cars and shit. They're not just actively running through. Yeah, so they're getting to breed more. And you've got to manage that population. If you don't, you have deaths on the road.

90:39Not just the deer, but people. I mean, if you've ever Googled deer through windshield, you want to see some horrific fucking scenes of destruction. People die every year because deer go through their windshield. And a lot of folks don't know that, but a deer has a fucking 180-pound hunk of bones and steak. And you hit it with your car, and you're fucked, man. Stop trying to be cute. I'll show you some cows too, bitch. You eat cheeseburgers like a motherfucker. People don't realize either the money you pay for those tags to go kill that animal too. You're donating that money to the wildlife preservation, you know? Yes. Like I just spent over 400 bucks on a deer tag for the Ruby Mountains. In fact, hunters donate more money for conservation and have more impact on conservation because of the amount of money they spend on tags than any pro-animal rights group. Absolutely. Than any.

91:27The amount of money that you get from tags and from management, you can't just leave them alone. Like, people are like, let those animals go! Let them alone! You have to understand that you're a fucking animal, too. There's a delicate game that's going on between us and all the other. And yes, as the highest intellectual animal with thumbs on the planet Earth, not in the ocean, it's debatable whether or not we're smarter than dolphins. If we can't understand their language, then they can understand us. I think it's debatable. But as the smartest and the one who's looking like, what's the best case scenario for mankind? Well, no more war. Love your brother. Everybody gets along. We have the perfect civilization in 100 years. We all get our shit together. We all agree that you can't show cruelty to animals and make that happen. You can't be stomping people's cats and shooting people's dogs.

92:14And so we associate our dogs and our pets who we love very much, our cats and what have you. We associate that with wild animals. but that's some baby shit okay cause wild animals will fucking eat your asshole if you go out there and you go wandering around and you fall down and you sprain your ankle and a fucking bunch of wolves find you guess what fuck face that's a wrap and the only thing that keeps those wolves from doing that is they know we have the bang sticks and the cars and all the shit that they're scared of they stay the fuck away that's it it's not that wolves aren't beautiful man I fucking love wolves. I think they're majestic. I've watched documentaries on wolves. I bet I've watched a hundred documentaries on wolves. I watched a documentary about the dude who lived with the wolves and his gigantic wildlife containment, and he would actually stuff a liver into the carcass so that he could prove

93:04that he was the alpha. He would eat the liver first and growl at all the other wolves. That guy's crazy while you were talking about that. Fascinating. I think they're amazing, and I'm so glad they're alive. But if one of them is following me, I'll shoot it right in the dick. Oh, yeah. In a heartbeat. If I had a gun and a wolf was following me, I'd be like, are you fucking crazy? I have kids, you fucking punk. Most of the information I know that you're talking about is actually coming from the podcast. Boom! I'd fuck it up. Da-da-da-da-da! It doesn't mean I don't love wolves. I do love wolves. But if I thought a wolf was going to eat me, I would fucking kill it. Like, you have to do that. And people have to understand that that used to be a really common occurrence. People killed wolves all the time. between 15 something a 250 year period in Paris wolves killed 3,000 people in France wow

93:53wrap your fucking head around that dude that's a lot of fucking people they're smart sneaky things that eat meat what are we? stupid lazy fucks that get drunk and we're made out of meat it's pretty fucking simple but everybody wants to look at them it's like beautiful that'd be amazing Yes, amazing. Yes, also, they have to be managed. If I had to help my own me, I probably wouldn't. I'm too kind-hearted to... Oh, you say that. You say that. You have children, bro. Well, unless I got to the point. Yeah, I forgot to the point. If your kids were starving and it was wintertime... Yeah, I'd choke the fuck out of something. Fuck, yeah, you would. I know you, dude. Are you kidding me? You just are kind. Right now, I'm just nice, yeah. You're kind if you don't have to be mean. If you got put to the point, yeah, then things would change for sure. Yeah, but I wouldn't do it right now for fun. No! You should never do it for fun.

94:39And that's why it's fucked up to watch this pig man thing, because on one hand, I agree that they have to do what they're doing. Those pigs cause devastation to wildlife. They cause auto accidents left and right. They run across the roads. They fucking devastate farms and cost people who have this land, their family banks on it, cost them a lot of fucking money. That is reality. And then there's also reality that they're a life form. They're a life form. Maybe they shouldn't be shot in the head with machine guns from a helicopter. Yeah, they're clamorizing it also, making money off it, making it seem cool to kill animals and stuff. You're right. You're right. But then again, the food goes to the... They have to be killed because they are a problem. There's... Somebody... I don't know if this is true, but I read this. So let's just repeat it. Bring it.

95:24There's almost as many pigs in Texas as there are people. Huh. Wrap your fucking head around that. There's almost as many... Let's just Google that. Texas is a big-ass place, too. We've got family in San Antonio. But there's a lot of pigs there. Yeah. And we're not talking about women. How dare you? How dare you shame those women? You're fat shaming. I didn't even catch that shit. You're fat shaming, asshole. It'd be nice, Mr. Redman. It'd be nice. Fat shamer. I bet you slut shame too, you asshole. Slut shame and fat shame. Numbering in the millions, these shockingly destructive and invasive wild hogs wreak havoc across the southern United States. They're so fucking strong and tough. wild pigs that what happens is domestic pigs get out and it's a weird thing but within three weeks of being out in the wild fending from their self their body actually starts changing the hair grows

96:18coarser the nose extends the tusks grow it's nuts man quick evolution and they are not shy about fucking they fuck up a storm and then they just have they just start dominating they start taking over land and they don't have very many natural predators so there's there's apparently they do 400 million in damages annually. Wow. Goddamn. That's a lot. Yeah. That's good. They also cause fish kills because they fuck with ponds so much, they stomp around in them that they get the ponds so muddy from running around in them that they choke off the fish. They're nuts, man. I raised pigs growing up selling for 4-H for an auction and they're a pain to deal with. They mess up everything. They tear down your fences. They cause more problems than they are to take care of, for sure. Okay, this might not be right. What I said might not be right about the numbers of

97:16people. This other article, which is on NBC, says that they cause $1.5 billion in damages nationwide each year. The other one is just Texas. And there's currently more than 5 million wild hogs in the United States and within a few years they're saying that the number of feral hogs is going to triple. Five years in Texas. Triple! Fucking triple! They need to get hunting. So they literally almost have to do this. Where they're shooting them out of helicopters. They carry crazy amounts of diseases and unless you want to just start fucking reintroducing wolves to Texas, you've got to take care of these motherfuckers. Something's got to eat them. You can't just have these things you have an imbalance. The reason why there's millions of wild hogs running through these fields is because there's nothing killing them. They're not supposed to be there. There's a problem. You have to figure out a really extreme method

98:13of solving this problem. There's no more extreme method than Ted Nugent and the pig man in a fucking helicopter with machine guns. Yes and no. Yes, it's cruel. Yes, it's horrible. Yes, I'm an animal lover. Yes, I have two cats and two dogs. I've fucking saved that shit on my DVR. I'm going to watch it again. I need to watch I can't believe they shoot her with a bow that's insanity well he misses the first shot because there's he has to actually factor for the wind coming off the helicopter I'd imagine yeah so it's pushing the arrow down so it's shot like low so he has to like sort of lead it fucking fascinating yeah and you don't have sights for that that's all judgment you know what I mean yeah meanwhile he misses the first shot second shot heart shot heart shot I mean he's just nailing his thing oh he's fucking super deadly accurate yeah yeah yeah and again horrible and sad that these poor animals have to die

99:00but there is an imbalance and as the stewards of the land I think there's a good argument that humans are supposed to maintain that shit, right? You know what would get better ratings though? If they just had like a big one of those big slingshots and they just put pigs in there to try to see how far they could flip them. Well, it's hard to catch the pigs, man. They do catch the pigs and knife them. They catch the pigs on some of the episodes they catch the pigs with dogs. They have two separate types of dogs. One dog finds the pigs and bays them, and then the pit bulls come in. And then the pit bulls have leather vests on so the hogs can't rip them apart, and they just lock on them and hang on. And then they come and kill them with a knife. Oh, wow, that's a process. It's fucking gangster. That's some teamwork right there. Yeah, and it's crazy to watch because it is as primal as it can get.

99:46And I think the only reason why people aren't watching it is because it's on the Sportsman's channel. I mean, who goes to channel 605 on DirecTV? You've got to be looking for some weird porn if you're that high up on them. You know, that's like right after, it's like porn and Spanish. You know? It's like those are those weird channels. Like, how did you get over there? You know? Except like Fuel, Fuel's in that range, right? Yeah. There's a lot of great fights. It's been the 400s, yeah. That's like the fucking UFC network, man. I didn't even know that they had a new, that's the network, the Fox One? Yeah, Fox Sports One. Yeah. I didn't even know that. Okay. Oh, it's incredible. The ratings for Fox Sports One were off the charts for the first UFC card. Nice. That's why they put together that insane card. I mean, that card was nasty. Chael Sonnen versus Shogun. Unexpected. Crazy. That was awesome.

100:33And then before that, Alistair versus Travis Brown. I mean, there's Matt Brown versus, oh, yeah, Jesus Christ. There's so many good fights. Mike Pyle. Yeah, Quicksand. There's so many good fights on that card. It was like one good fight after another good fight. It was like a pay-per-view worthy card. Yes, for sure. I mean, you know, a lot of people were upset about the Sonnen and Hua Fai. Both are a little bit past their prime. Chael's lost a couple fights in a row. but what a fucking great fight it turned out to be. And you get to see that Chael can still finish guys. People sleep on that shit, man. That guy's a beast. Gets a hold of your neck, man. He knows how to finish guys, too. Just because he hasn't done it on a lot of guys. If you watch the way he closed off Brian Stan, that is not a dude who's just doing that for the first time. That's a dude who's really good at finishing people.

101:17He just hasn't been doing it. Yeah, that's the thing. He's been fighting tough dudes, man. Absolutely. Really tough guys. He's been fighting the top of the food chain guys. It's like what we went back to when we were talking about Mighty Mouse. People say that Mighty Mouse is boring. Bitch, you're crazy. No way. He's exciting as hell. He's one of the most exciting guys ever. It's just he's fighting guys who are almost a mirror image of him. When he's fighting Benavidez, when he's fighting Ian McCall, those guys are so fucking good. You're just in the mix with this. The techniques are shutting each other off. Razor thin. Yeah, exactly. Razor thin. I can't wait until Benavidez and Mighty Mouse fight again. That's going to be good. Benavidez was September 4th against Formiga in Brazil. And then hopefully he gets a title shot after that. How old is he now? 28. Do you think that it used to be that the lighter weights,

102:03they were much better when they were in the youngest age. How old are you? I'm 27. Yeah, that's a perfect time to be developing. Between 22 and 29 and 30. But with a heavyweight, guys are sort of coming in their prime when they're hitting 30 and 31. It seems like the larger men learn how to move their body better later in life. Okay. Whereas, like, younger guys, they seem to, like, hit their threshold of where they kind of peak and fade off earlier. Do you feel that's accurate? I'm not even sure. With lighter guys? I'd have to start watching this. I feel like I've gotten stronger now that I've gotten older. You know, I feel like I've gotten a little more man muscle and stuff, you know? I feel like I've gotten stronger that way. You just got... Brian just got a hard on. Man muscle. And what... More boner pills. At what age is, like, what is the most successful older, lightest weight fighter? Because, you know,

102:53obviously you have Randy who's the most successful. The oldest high-level fighter was Randy. Because Randy was like world title fights at 46. He was the exception. He was fighting Machida at 48. He was fighting very high level. Shoot, Uriah's feeling pretty good, and he's what, 34? 34, 35, yeah. So he's probably the oldest of the high-level, lighter weight guys. Yeah. And hasn't lost a step. No, he's good, man. The whole team is just kicking ass, man. It's fun as hell for me to be there, man. Do you have an alternative name? if alpha males the whole team what if it becomes the bangzillions the bangzillions where you at where you at I got that from actual UFC magazine I didn't create that I like it that's not a bad one I still be good with that bangzillions you're gonna need some sort of Brazilian element you gotta bring in bangzillions but why zillion do you have I don't know how many Brazilian guys do you train with zero

103:44how about the bang oh no there's one there now that Professor Fabio brought how about we're an American bang American bang some bang sessions instead of American band Team Alpha Bang We're an American Bang Bang's just going to be secondary It can't be Team Alpha It can't be Bang Team Alpha Male It's going to be Team Alpha Male Bang I see, I understand I love tweeting that I just had a great bang session Yeah, the guy's tweets are awesome I'm like, man Some of our retweets That doesn't help the douche element No, not at all It encourages it It encourages it, for sure Everybody wants to bang But if you just say Yeah, I'm going to go bang my girlfriend Everybody's like, you fucking douche There's a fine line between what everybody wants and what everybody talks about. Yeah. And you gotta be real careful about that. Everybody wants to fuck, but if you talk about fucking, I'm like, get out of here. Too scared to admit. Yeah.

104:32Too conscious of ridicule. I just banged my girlfriend twice, bro. Made her comic 80 times. I win. You know, you put that on Twitter. That's a successful man. You put that on Twitter and you're just gonna get, yeah, yeah, for sure. Ridicule. As if that's not what everybody wants. You know? I don't mind it. I got three kids now. I want it on the way. I think, though, it's like one of those things where it's like, If you're really rich and you start bragging about it, people are like, douche. There's a lot of people who are poor. So if you're like Captain Fucks-A-Lot and you're like a slinging dick like a ninja, having sex with Jessica Biel and putting pictures of her ass on Twitter, asshole! It bothers people. Like, there's a photo. Let's be honest. There's a photo of Jenny McCarthy with Donnie Wahlberg, and we saw it on whatever the fuck it was. CNN breaking news.

105:19Donnie Wahlberg put his penis in front of Jenny McCarthy. I wonder if they got vaccinated before they did it. You look at the picture, you're like, look at it. He gets a bang, hurt. Oh, shit. What are your thoughts on vaccines? What are your thoughts on vaccines? My kids have been vaccinated. I think some vaccines are very important. I think there's a lot of vaccines for sure. And there's different protocols that people follow. There's some doctors that have a protocol where you slowly vaccinate your children instead of giving them this gigantic amount. And I think that is, look, you're not supposed to give babies peanut butter, man. You know, if you give peanut butter to babies, you know, you never know if your kid's allergic to peanuts. So you have to find out. Like babies are super sensitive and very delicate. They're very fragile.

106:04That said, the human immune system, without a doubt, has benefited from vaccines. You know, I just don't know if we have too many of them or if in the past, I know for a fact, and I'm a supporter of vaccines without a doubt. I don't want to be even blurry about this. I think vaccines have changed this world and have made society safe for us from a lot of different ailments. That said, nothing is perfect. And for sure, without doubt, there have been people that have been harmed by vaccines. The question is, is it worth that risk to continue vaccinating people? Is it worth the risk that the one out of X people have received damage? I personally think yes. I personally think yes, and I personally think you should proceed with caution. I think you should, I mean, there should be a lot of different things that you read about from very educated people about the subject.

106:54And the reality is that educated people, for the most part, agree that vaccines are important. But the objective ones are willing to admit that people have been damaged by vaccines before. I have a friend and her fucking dad has Lyme disease and he got it from a vaccine. And he got it from a vaccine they don't even use anymore. Because some people had a genetic predisposition to being adversely affected by this vaccine. So her fucking dad has Lyme disease, man. And he took a vaccine so that he wouldn't get Lyme disease because he was scared of it. His wife took the same vaccine? Nothing. She actually got vaccinated from Lyme disease, and it worked. But for him, he got Lyme disease from it. So that is inaction benefit and a detraction and a negative effect of vaccines. I think that for the most part though look man there's a lot of fucking diseases we've eradicated like polio

107:43there's a lot of shit that we've like removed but now like measles are starting to come back you know people are there's certain diseases that we thought we got rid of that people are starting to get and one of the blames for that is that people aren't vaccinating their kids for measles there's certain there's like and a lot of people were afraid because the word was that it was the measles mumps and rebellion that was the one that was the the vaccine that was giving people you know all sorts of health problems And there's been lawsuits, man. That's what a lot of people don't realize. A lot of money has been given out in vaccine court for damage that was caused by vaccines. Doesn't mean the vaccines are bad. It's, again, it's one of those really complicated, nuanced issues where it's not a fucking grand design of eugenics by the elite to control the population. Yeah, it gets carried away. It's not.

108:31It's doctors trying to solve pandemic diseases. Safe human beings, safe civilization. It was one of the more interesting things about my show was to me getting to talk to these disease specialists and scientists and doctors that were talking about various pandemic diseases. How many people are affected by tropical diseases? They were talking about people in poor, like Africa and tropical environments where like everyone has parasites. Everyone has certain diseases and like sexual diseases that are super dangerous, like a type of syphilis that you can't cure. and that all these morphing, changing diseases, they're trying to constantly stay on top of these fucking things. And there's diseases like MERS. You ever heard of MERS? There's some disease called MERS that kills literally half the people that it gets infected by or half the people that get infected with it.

109:20There's nutty shit out there, and there's doctors that are scrambling to try to cure these things and try to come up with vaccines. But in the process, sometimes there's damage. You said you talked about this on one of your shows that came out? Yeah, on the Joe Rogan Questions Everything show. That one already aired? Yes. Yeah, that was like, let's find this out, payouts. That was, I think it was two weeks ago. Then last week, everybody got mad at me again. That was an okay one. Nobody got mad at me. But then last week was Aliens. And everybody was like, dude, you did not provide the, I got all these, how come you didn't show this video? And this guy puts this on my message board. Clearly, this is a wormhole. I'm like, bitch, that's someone's headlights. That's headlights on a dark... Meanwhile, it's like you barely can see what the fuck that is, man. Yeah. So, oh my God.

110:08Can you imagine the stuff you got to deal with? Oh, God. Oh, yeah. The amount of fucking people that have been paid out in vaccine court. There's a lot, man. Yeah, it's like it happens all the time, apparently. Well, not all the time, but it's been millions of dollars. Two new cases reported here. vaccine court awards millions to two children with autism wow so that's the thing that people say that no vaccines don't cause autism and that's the argument like some say it does and some say it doesn't it's it's that i don't know man i'm not a fucking doctor that's a real problem when i look at this kind of data is i i have the saying that it's terrifying when you're too stupid to know who's dumb you know yeah that's that's how i feel about this stuff because when i read that that a court awarded millions of dollars to two children with autism. Vaccine court awards millions to two children with autism.

110:59I read that and I say, okay, well, that means vaccines cause autism? Is that what that means? Unless they had a couple of shots with autism in it. But they don't have autism in a shot, as far as I know. We got the autism juice. It says Hannah Poling developed an autistic condition after receiving nine vaccines in one day. Following the U.S. government conceding her case in 2008, Her damages are awarded over her lifetime, reported to be $20 million. Oh, my God. What does that mean, then? I don't know what that means. Does that mean that vaccine caused autism? Because that's what it sounds like. How do they know that she didn't have autism before she got the shots? That's a good question. That's a very good question. And if that's the case, then how the fuck did they award? How did that work out? They gave her $20 million. Then the question is, is it just bad court decision? Is it just an uninformed jury?

111:51Is that what it is? I don't understand. Listen to this. Since 1989 and as of January of 2013, over $2.5 billion have been paid out from this vaccine-caused injury and death compensation fund. So $2.5 billion have been paid out from the vaccine-caused injury and death compensation fund. These are numbers that I'm reading off of, like, these are legitimate websites. This isn't like, we're not just making things up. These are not propaganda websites, and they're not trying to hide this. 9,785 claims have been dismissed, and of those claims, 3,982 claimants were paid $52 million to cover their attorney's fees and other legal costs. so they were paid even the people where the the claims were dismissed they paid their legal fees like what are they doing there yeah are they just saying listen bitch i know you a lot of legal

112:52money and just let it go i know you're tired of fighting this you're never gonna win i don't know but it's it is fascinating i don't understand it but i know that like when jenny mccarthy talks about uh vaccines and causing your kid autism i have heard dudes who are like the most progressive male feminists, really kind towards women, say some of the most nasty fucking evil shit to Jenny McCarthy because you're allowed to. Because she expresses a very specific opinion about vaccines and she's obviously not a fucking doctor. And they think that what she's doing is scaring people into not having vaccines and into creating death and illness. Maybe. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. but maybe you need to pay attention to what the fuck I just read. That seems real. New Jersey girl gets $4.7 million for vaccine injuries. Here's another one. This is from 2002.

113:48A New Jersey girl whose mental development was stopped at two months old after a routine immunization has received a $4.7 million settlement from a national trust fund. I mean, what the fuck is going on, man? What does that mean? I don't know if that means that... I mean, in my dumb mind, I read that, and I, you know, it doesn't, what's that expression? Causation does not equal something else. What is that expression? How's it go? No. Causation doesn't, if you want to say smart on the internet, you have to repeat this. Causation does not equal. Look at that, Jamie McCarthy. Equal. Okay. Does not imply correlation. So, just because something was caused doesn't mean it's correlated with what you're blaming it on. Like, there's a lot of other factors involved. But millions of fucking dollars, man. Billions even given out. So that's my opinion about vaccines. I think they're very, very important.

114:40I think the people that are working on vaccines and that are fighting against pandemic diseases are doing an amazing job of keeping people safe. And they've eradicated some really fucking dangerous, horrible pandemic diseases. That said, obviously, some people it fucks up or it seems to at least. And I think it's not an either or situation. I think people have to be really careful about that because if you're rallying against these people that are talking badly about vaccines, but then these facts are real and are available, what are you doing? Like what are you saying? It's not an either or. There's a lot of complication here. A lot of chance, huh? It seems like it. I mean from my uneducated perspective, when I read that, and again, causation does not equal correlation. Note how smart I am. I think that you gotta say that obviously it's not that cut and dry it's not like I'm going to

115:32the Supreme Court because I believe that a wizard made my dick small and the Supreme Court gives me a billion dollars that seems like what was the fucking evidence I have a small dick and I shouldn't so there you go you're talking about it's not that fucking stupid that's the answer that's my answer on chemtrails And it's my answer on vaccines. Two very complicated issues that a lot of people get real fuckery. Just don't have the good information to say yes or no. It might be that, but it's also that people attach themselves to the shit they believe. They want something to be a part of and have something to fight for. Yeah, and if they said something, if like you say, you know, the fucking rainbows are created by gremlins, bro. And then you start telling people that and you make a video and you put it on YouTube. Man, you're committed to that shit.

116:21And there's a lot of people out there committed to some really iffy ideas. Crazy shit. Like, why are you, are you sure? Are you fucking sure? You shouldn't be sure, man. A lot of fuckery to this world. Like, when you said that you think that you create your own destiny, everything happens for a reason, you might be right. You know, anybody says you're not right is crazy. If you say, if you believe it, you can achieve it, well, you have. So what the fuck do they know? Maybe that is how the world works. Maybe the world works by your imagination manifesting reality. Maybe the world works by your intention and your focus, literally changing the world around you, creating things and opportunities that would not have existed or been in front of you if you didn't do that work, if you didn't experience those revelations and evalations of your spirit. Maybe. You don't fucking know. That's possible, too.

117:08Because the world's not that fucking simple. There's a goddamn reason why when you hear a certain song, it reminds you of a certain time in your life or a certain person you knew. And you have this intense emotional reaction to it. And the beats of the music change your body. You know, there's certain times where you by yourself and Sweet Home Alabama comes on the radio at just the right time. And when it says, turn it up, don't, don't, don't. And it's like, it changes your body. The world is not just made out of numbers And it's not just made out of hard surfaces And it's not just made out of things you can weigh There's also some weird spiritual aspect to this world And I don't I think You manifest a lot of it with your attitude And your behavior and your actions And I don't know how much of it would have been there without that I don't know I think it's both

118:00If a brick drops in your head it will fucking kill you That's true too You know sometimes shit happens man look the fucking were the dinosaurs asking for that big asteroid to hit Not no, probably not, you know I don't know if that I don't know if it's that simple. I think it's both. It's both you create your reality and Shit happens that too shit fucking happen. You didn't ask to break your ankle in that fight. Yeah, why did that happen? That's some shit happens, right? That's why I'm wondering, you know things are you know know predetermined for some point that that just kind of led me to make the decision okay 55 is too low of a weight class i'm just destroying my body you know the injuries are just coming too easy maybe if i was at 70 maybe my ankle would have rolled a bit differently and i would have more

118:42stability just cutting weight you know depleting the body too much so that was my last fight at 55 which made me go up to 70 so yeah you know who knows it could have been or it could have been that you realized after that you needed to make a change and being the winner that you are felt the right path and went down it and succeeded because that's what you do you dust yourself off you figure out what went wrong and you move forward. And that's what you did do. So it could have been things happen for a reason or it could have been the reason things happen is because you're a winner. But that one you can control. See, what I like about that one is that one you can control. And that one seems to make more sense because everybody that I know that has ever succeeded in things, they're winners. They have that ability to fucking figure out how to get up when they don't want to get up.

119:24They have that ability to do the things that they have to do, put in the work that they have to put in, get shit done. And the people that don't, We all know super talented fighters that never made it. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. That's true. There's a lot of guys out there. Didn't get that shot yet. There's a lot of guys out there that had that special something and never could put it together. There's a few guys that shone so greatly in preliminary fights. And you're like, this motherfucker is a world champion. And you're looking at him. You're like, this guy. And you hear from the people, oh, in the gym, he dominates everybody. There's so many fighters like that. How many times have you heard that about Joe Riggs? Oh, that's right. Yeah, I did hear about Joe Riggs. Yeah, in the gym. He's a badass.

120:00That Joe Riggs used to dominate Rich Franklin in the gym that they would be sparring and Joe Riggs would just be light and rich Franklin up but in competition Really well He had some great fights and he had some great results and he had a long career and he's still a bad motherfucker and a great professional fighter But if you listen to people talk they said they make Joe Riggs out to be Anderson Silva Yeah, they make Joe Riggs out to be some magic man You know some some dude that it on perfect moments on the right moments like I remember talking to Billy Rush before he died and and Billy Rush was training those guys and he said to me he's one of the greatest talents I've ever seen he said this fucking kid can do it all and he does it all like perfect in spurts, in the gym when his head's right and then shit happens in that crazy world of chaos and sometimes it doesn't come together for you

120:49you know if it's the reason that everything happens for a reason then there's some people that got dealt some shitty cards you know what I mean? No shit, man. If everything happened for a reason, there's a lot of things you can't explain. Yeah. And in the world of prize fighting, I think that shit manifests itself in such a strange and dramatic way. Because the difference between winning and losing is so much more extreme than golf or tennis or anything else. So many more options. It's not just so many more options. It's so much more devastating a result. You know, you can lose a tennis match and you go home and you're fine. You know? Like, if you lose an MMA fight, your health can change. The structure of your face looks different. You have to get plates in your face. You have to get your face stitched up. Can't breathe out of my nose. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure. Almost everybody has that, right? I do, for sure.

121:35I can breathe through one. I had mine operated on a few years back. I was going to ask you how that's the sweetest thing I've ever done. All my life I was a mouth breather. I broke my nose when I was like five. I fell down a flight of stairs, and it was always like. I had a nasal sound to my voice, and I mouth breathed every practice. Everything I ever did was mouth breathing. Yeah, yeah. Couldn't breathe out of it. That's what they tell these guys. and make sure they're biting down on their mouthpiece. Make sure if you do end up receiving a shot and want the mouth closed, you know, holding it together. Right. But that's one of the main things for sure. I want to make sure that they're biting down the mouthpiece so we get the mouthpieces that you can breathe through the center of the hole a little bit. Right, right, right. Which from Unbreakable, Hector and Victorville,

122:08I think it makes the best mouthpieces. Unbreakable mouthpieces is 100%. Yeah, and he makes a double, an upper and lower, where you breathe out of it in the middle? There are impressions on the top and the bottom of your teeth, so your jaw does lock into place. But for mine specifically, I have a little air channel through the center. And I think, TJ, do you have yours? No, yeah, but it's not a double. It's a single mouthpiece, but it's got like a little like a gap underneath it where you can breathe with your mouth shut. Oh, that's very smart. The bottom teeth just don't connect. Okay, that's very smart. The doubles are a pain. Yeah, the doubles are weird. You can't talk in them. Yeah. And they used to have that power one. Remember they were saying that it makes you like whips or something? Oh, whips and brain pad, yeah. It makes you stronger. It makes you like less likely to get knocked out.

122:42I need to go get that one. Those bracelets or something that they correct your balance. Ah, you remember those? Yeah, yeah. Well, they actually say that your jaw alignment does have some impact on how strong you are. Like, I think there's a science behind it. Like, if you have your mouth open and you try to deadlift, you try to deadlift, like, oh. I think, literally, you're not as strong as if you fucking clamped down. I don't think I've ever deadlifted with my mouth open. Maybe you should try. It'd be interesting to find out if that works. It might be bullshit, you know? Yeah. It might be. Like, fuck down. But I think I read that, I think. How long did it take for your nose to heal when you got a deadlift? Not that long, man. I was rolling six weeks later. I had a great doctor His name was Dr. Feinberg He retired Unfortunately He was out here In California But he did an amazing job And they use foam now

123:23So it used to be The nightmare Was getting the packing out That pulling the packing out Was incredibly painful Like Lorenzo Fertitta Had it that way And he said That it was like Someone was like Raking his brain Oh wow Oh he was awake Really intensely painful Well and they pull the packing out When it's over They keep it in your nose For like a couple days Or something Or a week Or whatever the fuck it is Actually It changed the structure In my nose It made it wider because they cut the inside of it, the tuber, what are the fucking things called? Yeah, I know what you mean. Those turbinator, turbinator, something like that. Turbinators, whatever. Yeah, so I had to scrape them. Things inside, so he scraped them down and then he put these splints in that widened my opening. I kept the splints in for a couple weeks or whatever. But after it was open, after he cut out the scar tissue and turbinators, whatever those things were,

124:05trimmed that down, it was actually a wider passage. Yeah, I want to get this done. Oh, it's great. I want to get it done. I feel like my cardio will be better. Oh, it will. A hundred percent. There's no doubt about it. It'll be, but then you got to realize you're going to get hit in the nose. Yeah. That's, I went and talked to a doctor and he, I actually got something done on my nose. I don't know exactly what it's called, but he scraped it like you're talking about. And then he shocked it with radio frequency, electricity, and it's supposed to shrink the tissue. And it takes like six weeks for it to work. I mean, my nose is a little bit better, I guess, you know, but, uh, I want to get like the full thing done. I think I need to do it after the next fight. Dude, I've seen pictures of people that did it online where they showed all the meat that they cut out of their nose. Yeah. The scar tissue. It's fucking crazy.

124:46Do you think it'll mess with the structural integrity of your nose? No. Is your nose still strong? Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it doesn't. One of the doctors was saying that he, I mean, obviously it's a doctor's opinion from different from different, but he was saying that he thinks the structural integrity of my nose would be worse. I don't think so. I mean, I think, look, your nose is weak anyway. This little fucking thing, you get shinned in that thing. It's not, I mean, whether it's strong, I mean, when it's in perfect condition, it's weak as fuck. so go on it from there and then also go on it from like the goal is to not get hit in the face so let's have an extra incentive and then now your cardio is going to be like a good percentage better which is way more important that's huge just don't do what Vanderlei did Vanderlei got his whole he had to get his whole fucking that was a perfect example of a guy who had to get

125:27his whole face reconstruction he had to get his eyebrows scraped down because he was getting cuts he had massive scar tissue they had to remove it Nick Diaz also yeah yeah but Nick's was not nearly as extreme Nick got his his shit shaved down but then we put it back together and he still looked like Nick. Like normal, yeah. Well, same, yeah. But with Vanderlei, they had to like, normal guy, yeah, I mean just same. Oh, fuck. They, with Vanderlei, they had to actually take a chunk of his rib and create a piece of cartilage and like rebuild his nose. Oh, wow. His nose was flat, dude. That's the, that's from not moving your head. Being an animal. That's from brawling and not moving your head. Yeah, that's fucking gangster. Charging forward. Yeah. So that was one of the things, I actually have a cauliflower in my nose because it's just how

126:07I went to punch my buddy in the belly one time and he need and my nose just swoon up and went in with the center of it. Just put up the blood hard and then hard. Yeah. Just like your ear cauliflower ear. It's the same. They went in and lanced it, you know, this blood just came rushing out and they filled it with look like a shoelace. And it was that they stepped up in there to suck up the blood and a little gap. So and that was for one of my can't win fights, you know, however long ago that was, you know, I don't know, six, seven years ago. And then I should say recently, but about three years ago, I had my nose scraped out, actually. and they went in there and he said that the sermon nose was like a snowball in my nose so he was scared to take more out and my nose would collapse so they put a little plastic orange like an orange slice put them up in there to keep it structurally sound while it healed yeah

126:51and then they pulled them out I feel like it was coming out of my brain that was nice yeah I gotta have that done again it's my nose I still can't breathe through one nostril the other one's good though so you gotta make sure I have the mouthpiece it's just a shitty design yeah I mean why is it so weak it's not in the front of your face It's not designed to get punched in the face. Sure. Big of a fake, man. There's a lot of accidents that happen. I don't know if we're designed to be punching each other in the face. Well, I broke mine when I was five. I fell down a flight of stairs, and I just smashed my nose on the stair. And from then on, it was fucked. I guess that's why we have the option to breathe through our mouth as well. I guess, but what a shit design. Because once it got... I didn't realize how important it was until I got it fixed.

127:26And then once I got it fixed, the idea of being able to breathe my mouth shut was impossible to me. I'd never known it my whole life. Not having to wake up with a dry mouth. 4.40. Wow, yeah. And then all of a sudden, I'm like, this is awesome. Nice. I like this. Yeah, I could be like that for a while, then it came back again. Like, I would go to yoga class, and they would tell me I'm doing it wrong. Like, you have to breathe in through your nose and out through your mouth. Like, it doesn't work. Yeah. The shit doesn't work. Yeah. I was racing my wife with blowing up balloons one time for one of our kids' birthdays. And she would just smash me, and I couldn't figure out why. That's crazy. Yeah, it's because I wasn't opening my mouth. I was bringing the air through my nose. So just slowing down the process by half. So she was just smashing me on the balloon blown up drill. So I had to take it out.

128:07And I just won. I had to figure it and adapt. What do you think about all these new technologies that are coming along? We had Ian McCall on. He was talking about some shit called CVAC. Oh, I heard about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he was talking about some altitude thing. Oh, okay. What it does is it mimics. It sounded crazy, man. Yeah, it sounded really. It mimics. It's a CVAC pod is what it's called. and it does something with like changing the altitude inside the container and it does like uh it makes a massive difference in your body's ability to assimilate oxygen i mean i said it's i'm kind of up for trying anything you know what i mean if it's someone says it works like i need to try this out you know what i mean well ian's no bullshitter yeah he's crazy but he's no bullshitter yeah and when he's talking about he said it was better than a hyperbaric chamber which is i know

128:52i love the hyperbaric chamber man yeah i hurt my shoulder and that thing my cardio like i did it For injury, I got better faster, but my cardio was insanely good when I started sitting in the hyperbaric chamber. Like, I noticed a big difference. Yeah, I've heard amazing results as far as, like, the ability to heal from a shop. I wish I could afford to be in it all the time. Really? Dude, I would do it. If I could do it once a week, if not more, I would do it. Don't they make them where you can get it for the gym? Yeah, they're not the hard chambers. They're the soft chambers. They don't work as well. You can't get as much. the hard chambers is 100% oxygen and they can put you down to two atmospheric pressures to be low. In the soft chambers, they can't do that. It doesn't work as well. It works, but not as well as the hard chambers. What is the variation? In between how much better the hard chamber works?

129:38It's supposed to be so much better. I don't even know exactly, but I've done a little bit of the soft chambers and I can tell a big difference when I'm sitting in the hard chamber. Where would you go to do that? Do you go to a chiropractor? No. Oh, there's places to do hyperbaric chambers. That's what they do. They just only do hyperbaric chambers. And it was in Sacramento. I got prescribed through it from my physical therapist. He's the one that told me about it. Are they stupid expensive? Oh, yeah. Like 100 grand or something crazy? Oh, yeah. To buy one of them? Yeah. Yeah, probably a couple hundred thousand dollars. Wow. And then you got to fill the oxygen all the time. So for me, if I went to go do an hour and a half dive, I found the cheapest place to do it and it's still 200 bucks. Wow. For an hour and a half. Wow. That's what I was good about Colorado with high altitude. Yeah.

130:20No matter where you go, your eyes get to get set. Yeah, but it's the pressure, though. Yeah, the pressure itself, huh? So it's 100% oxygen, and the pressure supposedly speeds up the molecules of healing, and then the way your body absorbs the oxygen. I can't even tell you the science behind it, but all I know is that it works, dude. And it's supposed to be great for your brain. Wow. Yeah, I've heard nothing but amazing. I feel like my handwriting got better when I was sitting there. I'm not joking, idiot. I started science, and I was like, oh, dang, my handwriting. I mean, it could just be a coincidence. I could use that. Yeah. Yeah, my partnership sucks. Yeah, but this is supposed to be, according to Ian, this is even better. It's called Cyclic Variations in Adaptive Conditioning, CVAC. And it's some crazy pod that you lay in, and using proprietary pattern sequences,

131:01pressure is increased and decreased to simulate low altitudes and high altitudes. And as pressure increases, the volume of oxygen in the air naturally increases. Air is thicker and warmer. and as pressure decreases, the volume of oxygen naturally diminishes and the air is thinner and cooler. And they hypothesize that these changes stimulate an individual's natural adaptation response to environment. And the experience is unique to the individual, but it apparently has massive effects on healing. And there's even scientific findings that were published in medical literature. So it's not like just crazy nonsense that some wacky dude wants to do. There aren't very many places to do this, right? I don't think so. I think there's only a few. He was saying that there's locations. It looks like the chemtrail guy. Clearly, there's only one way to survive chemtrails. You have to get inside the CVAC machine.

131:56This is what the elites are using to protect themselves from the barium being sprayed. Whoa. It's crunching the pressure. That doesn't seem like it's a good idea. Well, that's because you're not a doctor, you sick fuck. What, are you giving out fucking advice? I hope your body is stronger than that water bottle. So there's several of these things in North America. There's nine locations in the California area. Oh, wow. Anything in northern? I'm trying to find it. This website sucks a fat one. Boy, you have a terrible website, you fuckheads. And your locations. How about you just list phone numbers instead of having this stupid map that you have to zoom in and out of? This is terrible. Phone numbers and websites. You fuckheads. You guys should go to Squarespace. Get your shit together. That's a sponsor plug. So there's one in a private residence in Redmond, Washington. Why would you say that?

132:47You want to tell us where this dude lives so you can knock on his door? Yo, bro, my fucking ankle hurts. I need to use your machine, dude. Can I borrow your shit, son? It says nine locations here. Zoom in for details. How do I zoom in, bitch? Why isn't it not letting me zoom in? Because it sucks. Because your website sucks a fat one. Oh, now I'm in Spain. I zoomed in and I'm in Spain. Nice. How about fuck you? How about fuck you? Fuck you, dummies. I don't really believe that. I don't mean fuck you. I'm just saying that for effect. Shock effect. If they listen to this, he was talking really great about our product, but then we started criticizing our website, and it really hurt my feelings. He's with those MMA guys. I think they get aggressive when they get together. Definitely. All those MMA guys. Yeah, product of your surrounding. It's like when we were training at the gym. I felt like I was a gangster.

133:33I felt pretty relaxed. Yeah, well, you get gangster when you teach. I love it, yeah. There he does, man. You've got to watch out. That's good stuff. Well, you obviously love it. Yeah, for sure. That's exactly what you need. I think it's such an amazing thing, the ability to sort of mold young fighters. And that for a guy like me who loves martial arts as an art, as an art form, it really is an art form. I know people go, how's it an art form when you're injuring people? It's not watercolors, asshole. Yeah, but you're good enough to do it to not injure people too, you know what I mean? Right. You're good enough at the art to where you can do it without injuring someone. You could defend yourself without hurting someone. Well, sure. If a dork attacked you, like say some dude who was really good at Dungeons and Dragons and just fucking went spaz on you and rushed you, it's like, I'm going to bite him.

134:20It's what I have in my head if it ever came to the point outside the gym or the cage or something, if I had to fight in the street or defend myself. Just choke him out. Either choke him out or just punch him in the gut. How many normal people actually get punched in the gut? Just knock the wind out of them. And you'd have to be really diligent. You don't want to just tee off on some asshole. because he started to fight with you. It's so hard to repress that. But we've all been in a situation where some drunk dude is clearly fucked up, is talking so much shit, and you're like, I could just uncork one on this guy's face, and you know he's not going to see it coming. But you can't do that. The best way to, I mean, you'll get in trouble. I'll get in trouble, man. Yeah, of course. Not only that, I just fucking pulled up MMA.com and fucking MixMartialArts.com and Cerrone's in trouble. For that.

135:04He head kicked some dude on a dog. No. Yeah, some guy got stupid with him. There was some... He threw a head kick? Yeah, apparently he shinned him. That's the rumor. I'm talking shit, Donald. I'm sorry if I got the details wrong. But I think Brian Callen told me he head kicked somebody. Maybe somebody else called me. I tried to put myself in those scenarios. I'm just even around that element. If you're beating someone up on the street and you decide to do a head kick. What a huge fucking mistake. Out of all the people to fuck with on a dock, you look at this skinny dude with a cowboy hat. You're like Hey man Fuck you and your Fucking boat Faggot Next thing you go Clang Oh man That shit Bounces off the side Of your fucking head I'm sure you had to do Something pretty bad too Because Cerrone's Pretty cool dude Yeah He had to piss him off Pretty bad Like there's a lot Of douchebags Yeah for sure It's very unfortunate

135:50It's really hard To develop a human being I think you know that And I know that It's from the start It's Changed me It absolutely does Right I've had to hold this guy Back a couple times I almost always get into fights Always I just feel people should respect one another And help each other out And when it doesn't happen I'm just like this guy is kind of a dick face I'll speak up about it And then people get mad Well there's a lot of dick faces out there And they don't like to hear that People don't like to be criticized It's hard if someone calls you Hey man you're being a dick face to that lady And you're like yeah you're right It's fucking hard It's like admitting something about rods. It's like being wrong sucks. People don't like being wrong. There's a guy named Michael Shermer, this famous skeptic, who has this very interesting quote about smart people defending dumb ideas.

136:44Smart people, there's a lot of very intelligent people that believe really stupid things, and the reason being is that they're smart enough to convince themselves that they're right. And they're smart enough to defend that stupid thing. And it's kind of an interesting point of view, but it makes sense. It's fucking hard for people to say they're wrong. So I think that's a good talent for an athlete as well. Whether you have the skills or not, believe that you have the skills to win the fight, win the world title, pull yourself through that. Well, I think also as a fighter, it's super important to be absolutely objective about your skill set. You can't, like when you're talking about observing fights and watching fights, and you have to be objective. You can't say, you know, hey, I'm watching TJ Dillashaw.

137:21I love that dude, so I'm looking at him in a way that's not, I'm just looking, everything's perfect. It's beautiful. I'm just loving watching him win. That's not the way to do it. You know that. So you have to step back and go, okay, what is he doing wrong? And how do I get my friendship out of the way and look at this objectively? That's why I do have the fighters watch the film. I have my buddy in Colorado, Mike Temple, watch the film. And it actually kind of happened to my accent. I watched the film. I'll make notes. And I watched the same fight again while I was high and didn't realize that I made notes. So I made notes again. And then I looked at the notes and I had two sets of notes. One I remember being high and one I remember not being high. And I realized there was a difference. Now, was there a difference because I just watched it the second time or the third time or whatever?

138:00time it was or was the difference because of weed so i was like well fuck man maybe there's something to this so i started watching the fights while sober while i was high i was like well fuck man on it sponsors me takes my alpha brain takes my friend watched it again just to compare notes just to make sure i mean i want to make sure i'm making the best decisions and it could be also make this whether you're awake or whether you're tired yeah there's many elements that could change my view my perspective on that particular fight everything right whether you enjoy a song like you have to be in the right mood for the right kind of there's a lot of different kinds of music that I'm sure we all like. You're in the right mood. Yeah. It's like, it's not even a good, it's like, now is a good time for that. Like, sometimes I don't want to watch fights. Sometimes I want to watch, you know,

138:40fucking Curb Your Enthusiasm. Hey! Sometimes I, I can't believe a fuck. He's like, talk about professionals and split second openings. Yeah. With this fuck. You gotta really be on your toes. One thing, like, I do believe weed has a lot of benefits to it and I started because I was getting major injuries and I didn't want to actually take the pain pills I was being prescribed for my surgeries. So that's why I started investigating weed and marijuana, and that would help that to calm me down. I wanted to talk to you about that. Yes. Because that's another issue that I think is really important. I keep hearing about fighters that are having problems with pain pills. I think 100% people are used to me. I had back-to-back major fucking surgeries lined up. I broke my jaw, broke my ankle, tore up my knee. I had my neck surgery. I had a couple good ones. I broke my hand a couple times. So I've had multiple fucking surgeries.

139:23I want to hear a good one, actually. This was a long time ago. When Boss was training for Kevin Randleman, He came to Colorado for high altitude training. And I was one of his main sparring partners. And I'm like, I don't know, 155, 160 maybe. Oh, Jesus Christ. And we were just scrapping. But anyway, I'm training with my other guy, my other buddy, Kiyotaka Komatsu, who's a Japanese kyokushin karate black belt. And I was sparring. I threw a round kick. And he threw a front kick while I was in the round kick. The issue was I was not wearing my cup. So my right ball actually broke. So I had my buddy Oscar Martinez throw me in the car. I didn't go down. I still stood in my ground. I got in the car. I'm having my buddy Oscar take me like going opposite directions of one ways and stuff and got me to the hospital and they did like an emergency surgery so lesson learned here wear a cup gentlemen you know what I do is I take

140:08you know talking about the cup issue and stuff in the fights I take one of those Thai cups a steel Thai cup and I put that in a regular like envelope like a shock doctor envelope cup and just put that on and then I put tight shorts over that to hold it in place and my little the shorts I wore in my King the Cage fight would say little boss on them I still wore those for every fight kickboxing and MMA those are my lucky shorts So I put my steel cup in my Shock Doctor envelope and then put that on and then my tight shorts over that and then my fight shorts. So that's what I always wear. Do you ever try Diamond? Dude, they're awesome. No, they're awesome. Diamond's incredible. And they just released a new improved version of it. For folks who never heard of it, if you're doing jujitsu or anything, I seriously recommend this. It's a compression short that they have this really well-designed cup that fits in.

140:50There's videos on the website of the dude taking Thai kicks to the nuts. It's a really good product. By far the best I've worn. Yeah, for me, it's made a huge difference in jiu-jitsu. It took my balls completely out of the equation. Yeah, you can't even finish arm bars if you're not wearing a cup most of the time. Yeah, it fucking hurts. It's true. So one of the things I started getting major injuries and then getting surgeries, and I didn't want to take the pain pills, although I did take some of them. When I broke my jaw, I was taking some kind of liquid pain pill. I don't know what it was. But that's when I started my venture into weed. So it was just to get through the night so I could sleep. But it does fuck my memory. I was having the next day having an issue holding combinations for these guys and stuff, and just not remembering dates and stuff. So it did fuck with me personally.

141:28I caught it in my memory. And I don't think it's for everybody because I'm very high strung and try to get shit done all the time. So I think if somebody is already predisposed to be a slight bit lazy, this is not for you. 100%. Weed's not for everybody. Dude, it affects him differently though. Yeah. He'll get stoned. He comes to me the fuck down. He needs it. I enjoy it. Yeah, this is me all the fucking time. I'm not kidding you. It doesn't work on him, dude. It's like a reverse effect. Most people get stoned. They'll sit on the couch. They'll get hungry. They'll not want to go do anything. Doing combos and shit. This guy's shadow boxing in the room. You know what? I've figured things out about my body when I'm high. I've figured out certain stretches that I need. I feel like, ooh, you know what? I'm tight right here. I've figured shit out. And then as you're feeling your body more, I'm like, you know what?

142:11I've got to incorporate that more. And then certain techniques, like kicking techniques, I've gone over them high. And I feel the weight transfer better. Because you know how when you shin a bag, when you really whip your hip into it, there's certain times where you get it perfect and there's certain times where it's a little off, a little weird, but then there's times when you just feel it and you just, you just got that, you feel the fucker. I feel the community today. Yeah, so yeah, you can fucking kick, man. His kicks are amazing. Rogan's kicks are awesome. We're doing some basic footwork drills and stuff and it's not what you typically would do for you personally. So we get to the player and girls like, can we do some kicks? Yeah. All right. Fucking wham! Like, holy shit, wham! I was like, fuck, you can freaking kick, man. I already know this from the spin kick videos and stuff.

142:55I got a video also of you demonstrating the spin kick. That was awesome. Thanks, man. That was a good experience. Oh, please. Thank you, man. It was really fun learning from you. But yeah, I've been kicking shit since I was a baby. It's awesome. You can fucking kick. You're an athlete for sure. Well, it's just my body developed doing that. I was a boy when I learned how to kick. That's what I was talking about. The dexterity. The ability to move your body in a certain way. Maturing as you're doing martial arts. Like, you were an amazing kicker, but you were having a hard time. Like, when I was trying to show you axe kicks or the spin kicks, it's an awkward way for you to move. Whereas, my body's done that since I was a child. It's like ballet. Little Dwayne Bang. If he's laying down and I start slapping him, he's not a hard one. He'll fucking up. He's walking around. Wake up! There is no tomorrow, little Bang!

143:41He'll arm bar me. So, it's cool, man. Like, I'm already training him to do what he wants. You know, people always ask me, is Dwayne Bang going to be a fighter? Little Dwayne Bang. And I'm like, if he chooses to, whatever his passion is going to be, I'm going to support it. He's going to be a tap dancer. That's good. That's beautiful. Hey, even if he's going to be a tap dancer. If I had a gay son, as long as he was happy, I would way rather have a gay, happy son than a depressed daughter or depressed, straight son. Happy. So you can really give a fuck about, like, if you're kidding. Like, I joke around about my daughter being a lesbian, and my wife gets upset. She's like, don't say that. I go, why? I go, what if she likes Batman? She likes wrestling. She wrestles all the time. She's super aggressive. I have two daughters. One of them is like really very girly.

144:23And the other one, I have a 17-year-old as well, but who's much more creative and artistic. Yeah, that's my daughter. But the youngest one is a fucking brute, man. She's hyper aggressive. She like leaps off the bed and like she takes my back. And she's three. And I'm like, she's a lesbian. And my wife's like, stop it. But I'm like, look, if you love lesbians, okay? I have zero problem with people being gay. So why would I care? And a lesbian, it's really kind of like not even criticized in society. I mean, a little by assholes. But it's not like being a gay man when you get beat up. Who gets beat up for being a lesbian? I mean, I'm sure someone has been, so I apologize if you have. You fucking asshole! I was being a blasphemy for being a lesbian! But the reality is, even straight guys love lesbians. Everybody loves lesbians. Lesbians can kiss in public. Nobody gives a shit. They go, whoa.

145:13There's a few cunty girls. Like, yeah, look at them showing up. You can't tell she's a lesbian this early. Of course I can. I'm just joking, dude. There's a lot of shit I say that's not true. You understand that? You say it a lot. You don't say it in front of her, do you? No, but that's a joke. I'm not talking about her specific music. He's just telling her you're going to be a lesbian. You're going to be a fighter. She loves mermaids and flowers. It's a joke. I'm very curious to see what my children are going to turn into or become or what they are now and if they're going to be able to express that as an adult. Like I'm pretty sure Lil Dwayne Banks is going to be a fighter. He's already got his gloves and stuff. He's in the gym all the time. Him and TJ are best buddies. He knows Faber. He goes Faber and TJ and Buckles. And so he knows the fighters at the gym. He loves being at the gym.

145:55He loves the martial arts. He's got his own little mouthpiece. He's a little bit OCD about some things already. I wonder where he's at from. And then my daughter, Jay, she's an artist. She's just drawing and coloring all the time. So that's why I tell her we're all artists. We're martial artists, and she's an actual artist. So it's good. I want to hopefully when they get older, they can express, they can be who they want to be and not be stuck in some shitty job that they're unhappy with. That's why I'm always fucking happy because I get to basically do what I want every day. You're finding something that you can express yourself in. And it's whatever you gravitate towards. If it's fucking flower arrangements. I mean, whatever the fuck it is, man. I don't know what makes someone like a certain kind of music. I don't like the Grateful Dead, man. I don't. I've tried. I don't like it.

146:36It doesn't mean I hate people. I love a lot of friends who love the Grateful Dead. That's fine. But it doesn't fucking work with me. I like Dwight Yoakam. I like a lot of shit. If you're a friend of the devil, you're a friend of mine. They actually played that on the helicopter ride that I went on in Maui. And I was like, are you really doing this to me, you fuckhead? This guy is actually a podcast fan. So shout out to our driver. It was kind of weird. I'm a podcast fan. Fly us around in Maui. That was awesome. Talk about the podcast. I bet the helicopter ride was awesome. Oh, it's insane. That's cool. Maui, I was in Maui last week. That's why there was no podcast. But me and my family went on a flight on a helicopter over Malachi. And Malachi only has like a couple thousand people on the whole island. And a lot of them are like campers.

147:25They just go there and camp because they can live there for free and they live off the land. They fish and they hunt. That's cool. And there's fresh guava and mangoes and all these different plants that are just growing there. And they hunt wild pigs. and there's wild sheep and all these sorts of different animals. They hunt and fish and eat fresh fruits everywhere. And apparently people go there and they take a boat and they just stay there for months and months at a time. And it's legal. Actually, I have an affiliate in Hawaii, so hopefully I get to go there and go do my seminar with Mike Bickers. I've got affiliates all throughout the U.S. I actually have an affiliate in Thailand also, so it's kind of cool branching out. Yeah, that's a photo that I took on my Instagram. Oh, wow, that's badass. When we were flying over Malachia. That looks like the Drive to Hana almost. Yeah. Is that the way?

148:09Did you do the Drive to Hana? That's a different island. I'm pretty sure that was when we got to Malachi. We flew over Maui and then we went to Malachi. This is in Maui. This is one of the craters that you fly over. It's fucking insane. It's insane. Because Hawaii looks incredibly beautiful from the ground. You just get out of your car and you're like, wow, this is amazing. But when you're above it and you realize how weird it is, like this thing just popped up out of the ocean and that really what it is the volcano it's like one of the biggest mountains in the world by volume it just happens to be in the middle of the ocean and it's just fucking volcano just jutted out in the middle of the 5 000 miles two five hours by plane from everywhere yeah like there's nowhere to go like you you and these crazy polynesian motherfuckers got there on boats that's crazy that's why they're so tough that's

148:58So gangster. Yeah, it's probably just part of it for sure. They got there 1,500 years ago, man. Wow. 1,500 years ago, these fucking guys got there by boat. And they did it more than once. They knew how to navigate the ocean back then. 1,500 fucking years ago. It's crazy what people are doing, dude. And they made these boats, dude. There's an aquarium in Maui where you can go see the boats that they created. They have replicas of them. It's a fucking log. It's a fucking log. It's a hollowed out log. and they had like nets that they created that they made themselves and they would take a year to make a fucking net and they would set these nets and just go out there and hope that they would catch enough fish to keep their fucking children alive. Yeah, because it took you a year to build that net. How long would it take you to go 1,500 miles by canoe? Damn. I mean, could you even cover 10 miles a day?

149:51How many miles are you covering a day canoeing? Yeah, yeah. Yeah? 10? What do you think, 50? How much do you think? Oh, more than that. Forget the place in Ohio. It used to be, I think, like seven miles. A hundred? I mean, you should be able to canoe more than you can walk. And I just, last five days, walked 120 miles up in the rubies. Right. That's right. You were just saying that. Your deer hunting experience. Yeah, yeah. So how many miles do you think you can canoe? Should we say, if you're really going gangster, 100 miles a day? Yeah. You could, I think. I've never canoed. I'm not quite sure what it is. You're going to be tired. I mean, you're going to be tired. I'd say it's like a boat or a bike. Upstream, downstream, wind. Right. You've got to deal with those. So let's say, best case scenario, you're going gangster, and while you're catching fish and feeding your family, you're going 100 miles a day. Wow.

150:31It would take you 15 fucking days to get all the way out there to the middle of the ocean and find Hawaii. Then how many calories would you need to do that as well? Oh, good. Googly moogly. Eat the fish, come back, right? There's a couple of key factors in that. It would be insane. 15 days of gangster paddling. I did five days of it. It's such a good workout. I did a hunt with Steve Ronella for that show Meat Eater, and we went down the Missouri, and we paddled. Like most of the way, oh, it was fucking, it was a brutal workout. It's great. Like your shoulders get sore. Like you could treat it as a workout and really get gangster with it. And, you know, really, like I was treating it as a workout. I was like, I'm just not going to like just paddle our way, enjoy the scenery. And I was like, I'm not working out while I'm here. So let's get a workout in. So I just like made it a race.

151:12Brian Callen was throwing at me. I was just crushing that fool. Everything's a competition, right? Everything's a competition. Like I'm going to win this shit. Yeah. Yeah, that's one thing. The marijuana helped me to relax and be able to enjoy it. I look at things so differently now. I actually stopped weed for a while now, so I'm just kind of debating on if I was taking too much or what strand or what. It definitely allowed me to appreciate life, be able to relax, and play with the kids a bit more. Food tastes better. Drinks taste better. I can relax. I'm OCDing about shit that I can't control right now. So you medically need it. Possibly. It's a lot of the fuck in my memory. I'm holding mitts for these guys. Today's modern-day fucking ninjas right here. So if I miss a mitt and they punch me in the face, that's going to be an issue. So I've got to be on point with things for sure.

151:57Even though I tell the guys, even if I do hold the mitts on the wrong side, the striker needs to control their strike, and that's just the way it has to be. So it's just one of those things. I'm a big fan of light edibles, light-dose edibles. That's what I've been doing lately. How many milligrams do you take? Not getting crazy. See, that's the problem, man. You buy these fucking cookies from these assholes, you don't know what the fuck you're getting. Colorado is pretty consistent and on point. Yeah, well, it's consistent on point with certain shit. Like, go to L.A. Speedweed. They have these gummy bears. You can guarantee pretty much L.A. Speedweed's gummy bears have a spit. And if you know it and you're used to it, you might want to bite one in half. You might want to eat the whole one. But it's also based on so many other things other than just the content. Like, how much did you eat?

152:38Your hydration levels? There's so many other factors. There's no way to do it. Your own personal tolerance, too. Your own personal tolerance. Because if you eat it a lot, you can do a lot more than a person who doesn't. What do you think about this as far as marijuana? You think it's for, not, I mean, you're going to say no, of course, because that's the correct answer, but it's not for everybody. Some people shouldn't be fucking smoking weed. Some people are just dumb fucks. Dude. And I'm not the smartest guy either. I'm not. I went to high school and that was it. I had no college education, but I definitely was able to pursue what I felt was correct for me and my path being a martial artist. And do you love what you do? I fucking love what I do. How many times have I not said that? Yeah, motherfucker. I think nothing's for everybody. I don't think orange juice is for everybody.

153:15I think there needs to be a test. My fucking kid hates orange juice. Peanuts isn't for everybody. But people might like orange juice and not be able to fucking tolerate it either. Exactly. So that's a problem. I give her apple juice, she goes crazy. She loves it. Apple juice is our favorite. But orange juice sucks. She fucking looks at you trying to feed her a shit sandwich. Look, it's not for everybody. Coconuts are not fair. I love coconut water. I've given it to people and they want to throw up. So that's got to be the thing as far as legalizing it. For sure, I think people shouldn't be able to make their own decisions. But man, there are reasons for it, for rules and guidelines and such. Because some people just need to be told what to do and what not to do. Yeah, but I don't agree with that. I don't think people are going to run off the fucking cliff. I don't think there should be rules and guidelines.

153:51I think there should be counseling. Because some people just don't fucking know right or wrong. Well, I think there should be education, for sure. And I also think... Look, we're dealing with very complicated issues where you're altering human neurochemistry through psychedelics. Whether it's... I mean, people don't want to think of marijuana as a psychedelic. It is, without a doubt, a psychoactive substance. And if you eat it in large doses, it's as psychedelic as anything. And if you don't believe that, you're fucked. because if you do take it and you're not ready, you're going to get an experience very unlike a regular, like get high, smoke a joint. So I think that anything like that can fuck you up. And anything that can fuck you up mentally, we should tread with caution. And because of the fact that we don't have education, we don't have centers where someone can go

154:36and they can say, well, in a controlled environment, you and your friends, what we would like to do is we're going to bring you in here. We have a very specific level of marijuana we're going to give you. We're going to work you up to where we think you can handle it. So you could be in a comfortable, safe environment. Like, have you guys gone to the marijuana fucking treatment center yet? Whatever the fuck it is. Yeah, it turns out I'm good with one gummy bear. One gummy bear is perfect. You know, I found out what it is. You know, we went too far one day and I started thinking about my childhood and it was a little fucked up. But I think I learned from that, too. You know, like, but this way, at least you would get an educated experience. And we don't. Now we're like figuring it out for ourselves. Whereas if you buy Tylenol, you know what the fucking dose is. It's real simple.

155:15It's right there on the label. I take four Advils when I got a headache. You know what the fuck you're supposed to take. 800 milligrams. Yeah, some people don't. Some people are just retarded. Well, anything can be abused. Yes. I've trained too much. I didn't really know my reserve. I was pushed too hard and broke my own body down. I have low tests. We were talking about, I have my testosterone checked. I was 105 or 103. I forgot. Like super fucking low. That's crazy low. That's just from what I understand, from what I was told anyways, that head trauma, severe weight cutting, redlining your body, and then of course steroids or taking too much steroids if you need to. I've got three of the four fucking symptoms right there. Head trauma, severe weight cutting, and redlining your body. And jerking off like a maniac. Jerking off like a zoo monkey on heroin. Yeah, that could do it too. That would drain your balls.

155:59Your balls struggle to keep up. You need to spark it for next thing. What's this? That's 10 minutes. 10 minutes? 10 minutes we turn into a pumpkin. Oh, nice. Can I plug my affiliates real quick? Fuck yeah. My man. Well, DwayneBang.com is where they can go and find it. DwayneBang.com, yes, and I got some affiliates. I just had my buddy Alberto Crane in Burbank. You know Alberto Crane? Sure. He just became an affiliate. And I got Ben Shister in Westminster, Colorado. We got Boyd in Phuket, Thailand. Mike Bickers in Hawaii. Brian Beaumont in Yuma, Arizona. Jeff Fairbanks in Alaska. And I got James Henry in Radford, Virginia. I got James Johnson. Okay, no one's going to remember these. Okay, well, just do these. But DwayneBang.com, they will remember. DwayneBang.com, and they have all of your affiliates up there. And like you said before, I think it's really interesting.

156:39You set up your structure for your lessons every week. And then they follow it. Record that shit, send it out to them. Yeah, I got to film a lot of those videos. Yeah, he's my favorite. So you give away belts and shit too? Yeah, I have a ranking structure, colored ranked shirts, white, blue, purple, brown, black. Who's got a black belt in Dwayne Banks? Only one guy. God damn it. That's Wiley McDonald in my East Coast headquarters. He's Chris Herzog as well, their 10th Planet affiliate. What about my man, TJ Dillshaw? He's actually got a blue belt. Oh. Yeah. So maybe a purple belt soon. Maybe. And then you're going to go brown, black? just like jujitsu. Yeah, white, blue, purple, brown, black. Nice. Beautiful. Yeah, I got my shit laid out, man. I broke it down to a science and a structure for sure. Well, that's a big thing about the Holland style, the Dutch style of Muay Thai.

157:18Yeah, it's more European based. Very systematic. I trained with Rob Kamen a bunch of times. Yeah, nice. Yeah, Rob's the man. I learned a lot from his actual VHS tapes I got from Century or whatever. I used to watch those fuckers all the time. I was really impressed at the way his structures, his combinations. They're very technical. It's like, you know, left hook, right leg kick, this position, that position, You know, it's like the way he, like, you sort of picture it. And then once you train with a guy who's explaining that stuff to you, then you watch a fight, you can see it take place. You know, you watch like Remy Wajowski. You watch like certain type fighters. And you go, oh, I see what he just did there. Like there's an Ernesto Hoost highlight reel where he, to me, he had the best left hook right leg combo ever. He would just slap whack. You know, he would just set that up so beautiful. Mr. Perfect.

158:04Oh, that was. He's a good guy too. He's cool. He's very cool. I like him. Very nice. Very friendly. But that fucking leg kick highlight. Pull that shit up. We'll close with this. Pull that up on YouTube. It's cool for me to. It's Ernesto Hoost leg kick highlight. What's cool for me is to be such a fan of Ernesto. And then one time in Japan I seen him and then he knew who I was. So I was like, oh, fuck, man. That's pretty cool. That is pretty badass. Yeah, he knew who I was too. I was like, holy shit. I'm my little dork. Yeah, but I'm still a kickboxing dork. Yay. Yeah, but you're popular as fuck. Yeah, you watch this. You watch Ernesto with these fucking leg kicks, man. That's not it. Oh, yeah, it is. This is just the beginning of it before it actually shows the video. This is just showing the highlight, and then it goes into this part where it's skipping ahead a little. Here it is. Watch these. Mirko.

158:55Yeah, he fought Mirko a couple times. Yeah, those Kimo guys all fought each other on a YouTube basis, man. Oh, Jesus. Owie. It's because he's backing up, though. Dude, they're so owie, though. I'd rather get hit with a baseball bat. They're so owie. And the way he chops down with it, man. Yeah, a three-quarter drop. And it's so, like, whip-like. I mean, it was like he was hitting you with a fucking mace or something. Here it is. Oh, Jesus. Like Bernardo. That fucking left hook right leg combo is so nasty and so beautiful to watch. Like, you want to talk about martial arts? That motherfucker is a ballerina. Yes, yeah. I mean, that shit is, like, way cooler than anything Baristakop's ever done. Look at that. Boom! Are you kidding me? Francisco Filo. For a big dude, too many fast. Yeah. And that combo is so gorgeous. The left hook, right leg kick. Always. Nice. Over and over again with that combo.

159:54And he would shut motherfuckers down. Like, Filo, look at him here. He's like, Jesus. That's why it sucked when Bob Sapp beat him. I was like, fuck, that broke my heart, man. well he got bum rushed by a gorilla yeah that's true if you've never seen that fight Bob Sapp didn't even look like a human being he was the biggest any fighter he was on the clear he was on everything that ever existed he was on he was 370 pounds of Mexican supplements just stacked into a man it's a beautiful thing though again I mean I don't think that it's good that Bob Sapp did that but I think that it's good that we got to see what happens when a guy that big can do that can hit. Even a guy like Ernesto Hoos, you can't stop that bum rush. That big, crazy fuck is just going to fucking Donkey Kong you into the ground. He did it. Yeah, he did it. He did it with very little MMA experience, very little kickboxing experience. That's what sucks.

160:47What doesn't, though? Yeah, it breaks my heart, man. Look at Ernesto Hoos so much. For him to get beat from somebody who's technically not on paper not as good, that just sucks. It shows you how gangster Krokop is. Because Krokop finished him. Especially back then. Yeah, I mean, accuracy. He was also physically strong enough to keep the dude away. Push him off. Yeah, push him and he had this like aggressive style. Crocoppa was also like, he's like a sniper. Like he leaps in and cracks you with shit. Whereas like Ernesto would be more technical and would block shit. You can't stand in front of that dude. You just can't stand in front of him. So a style like Mirko's where you like leap in with a head kick or leap in with one punch or one kick. Just full power blast. Not as technical. You know, so when he fought So when he fought Ernesto, it wasn't the right style for Ernesto.

161:32When he fought Bob Sapp, it's a better style. There's also the fact that Bob had already fought a bunch of guys. How long can you really keep that much supplements in your system? Mexican supplements in your system. A couple elements to that. There's never been a human that big inside of a ring. Show the picture of Bob Sapp if you've never seen it. He's a sweetheart of a guy, too, man. Great guy. Great guy. And it's really unfortunate watching him fight now because it seems like he just goes down. Oh, he's still fighting? He's lost like some insane amount of fights in a row. I thought they made a good chunk of change. No, I don't think he did. I think he also had a lot of problems. That's always a misconception. Well, I think he was making good money in Japan for a while, but then I think he ran into some problems with them. And remember there was that 1K1 event where he wouldn't come out and fight?

162:14Yeah, they didn't prepay him or something. Well, they wanted him to sign a contract before he fought. Oh, yeah. You know, there was some... Jesus. Look at the fucking size of him. Are you kidding me? Is that the biggest a guy's ever been inside the ring? For sure. Big human being right there. That's insane. For sure. 370 with abs. Wow, it was a 370. 370 with abs. God damn it. Anyway. Look, Dwayne, it's always a pleasure to see you. Thank you, Mr. Rogan. This has been awesome, man. It's been a beautiful time. TJ, thank you very much for doing this. Absolutely. And thanks for helping me out today, man. Shit, man. Thank you. I appreciate it. It was really fun training with you. This is awesome. It was really fun getting to see you move with him and kick the bag, and your technique looks fucking sweet, dude. I appreciate that. Beautiful. He's a serious athlete, man. Today's ninjas right here. You learn shit so quick.

162:58Showing you one thing and watching you duplicate it, and then two or three times later, it's like 50%, 60% better. That's beautiful to say. You got the perfect environment for learning there. Oh, yeah. Team Alpha Male, bitches. Hell, yeah. On the rise. Bangzillions. That's right. The Bangzillions. DwayneBang.com, ladies and gentlemen. DwayneBang.com. You can get one of these super dope and sexy T-shirts. I got three of them, bitch. Good man. Suck it. Thank you, Mr. Rogan. Thank you, brother. It was a great time. I don't even have three of those. What's up, dude? And Dwayne Bangcom on Twitter and TJ Dillashaw on Twitter as well. And TJ, how do you spell your name? Last name is D-I-L-L-A-S-H-A-W. There you go. So TJ D-I-L-L-A-S-H-A-W as well as on Instagram, same name. Love you, buddy. Thank you, guys. Thank you very much, man. Love being here. Good times. All right. We will be back tomorrow with the great Joey Coco Diaz.

163:53And then Wednesday we return with Everlast in the motherfucking house, bitch, which should be a great time. Okay, so Squarespace.com. Thanks to Squarespace. Use the code Joe8. Save yourself 10%. And Onnit.com. Go to O-N-N-I-T and use the code name Rogan. And save yourself 10% off any and all supplements. All right, you guys. Thank you for all the love online. And I say it always, but I really mean it. Like, I benefit from this show as much as you guys do. And so thank you to everybody tuning in and everybody who's ever been on it. All right, you fucks, we'll see you tomorrow. Yay! Yay!