Urijah Faber

00:00Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Powerful Uriah Faber has joined us. Uriah Faber's on a fucking whirlwind tour of the United States doing publicity for his book and preparation for his interim title shot that he's got coming up in a little over a month, right? With Henning Burrell. That's right, yeah, right about a month. You are a busy motherfucker because I keep hearing you on radio shows, I keep seeing you places, I keep seeing all these interviews. How much publicity have you done in the last couple weeks? It's been a lot. And then I'm coming off the show too, so I was filming for three months. Living in Vegas. I haven't been home in four months. Wow, god damn. Before that I was traveling too, so it's been nutty. How difficult is that psychologically for you? I mean, it's one thing to go away for an eight-week camp, but when you're doing that show, it's like 13 weeks, right?

00:53And then you're there afterwards doing publicity? Well, I had a trippy upbringing where structure wasn't like the thing. It wasn't like you got up at this time and the meal was at this time and this and that. It was like whenever you get it done. So I'm not needing to have exact moments in the day. So it works out fine for me. You just accept the fact that this is what you're doing right now. Yeah, that's what I'm doing. I've been busy my whole life. Right. I'm just a different kind of busy. More money. Yeah. It's more money. It's more publicity. It's better. Better busy. Yeah. That is a funny thing that people can really learn from it, isn't it? The attitude that you have about what you just have to do can really affect the way you feel, the way your day goes, the way you interact with everybody. You can do the same thing and have a great attitude about it. And it really does like it's a choice.

01:44That's one of the few choices in life that you get. You can choose to just fucking just got to deal with it. This is what it is. Not being a bitch about it. Yeah. I mean, the bottom line is everybody's got to do something during the day. Some people are pissed off about the little things they have to do and some people love all the shit that they have to do. It doesn't matter. You know, it's all about how you're interpreting it and whether you're going to be positive or negative about the whole thing. I wish it's busy. I say it because I know that a lot of fighters have had problems with it. A lot of fighters get real upset when they have to do big publicity tours right before fights, especially important fights. They feel like it detracts from training. And we were talking here about, you know, you doing 15-minute runs on a treadmill and then just fucking jump in the shower. Yeah.

02:25You just got to sneak them in, right? 50 minutes hard, yeah. That's what it takes, too. You know, it's just like, you know, just enough to make sure that I feel like crap right at the end of it. Right. You know, then that's a good, worthy workout. And you can do that. I mean, I could do that in probably three minutes if I needed to. Kick it up to like 12 and then like, you know, put it on incline or do whatever. I mean, you can get yourself tired and push yourself in a short amount of time. That's a crazy workout, man. It's really, it's funny. Everybody thinks you have to go to the gym and work out for an hour and a half. But, you know, you can do some crazy shit on an incline treadmill and you're done in three minutes. Yeah. I mean, you could, if you're doing it hard enough. Yeah. There's all sorts of shit you can do to get yourself exhausted and just like mentally tapped like in a short period of time.

03:08So you got to sometimes utilize that. Yeah. So when you're on the road, you just think like, okay, whatever I can get in, I get in. Do you ever do like hotel workouts? I've done some hotel workouts, but it also helps. I got folks all over. I mean, really, if we needed to, we could go after this and go get a roll in or something like that. And I've got guys all over the U.S. and all over the world now where, you know, if I'm in town, I'm like, hey, let's get a workout in. Hit mitts, get a roll in, do some sparring. I mean, everyone's always down. Yeah, that's so true. It's one of the coolest things about working for the UFC that I even get to do that. Like I get to train, like Duke Rufus trained me a few times and Dela Grate's trained me a few times. Both guys are badass. Badass. Cool dudes.

03:50Like, that's one of the things that a lot of people don't realize about martial arts is most of the people that are good at martial arts, they went through a lot of shit to get good, develops character. And you're dealing with a majority of people who are really fucking cool. You know, like John Hackleman, cool as fuck. You know what I mean? So many of these guys, Dela Grate, cool as fuck. Phil Nurse. Yeah. Cool dude. Just fucking real. Greg Jackson, one of the nicest guys on the planet Earth. Just a bunch of cool motherfuckers in this game. It's really amazing. Very few people realize it. They don't. The key to having a bunch of cool people is having a bunch of people with their ego in check. Yeah. Yeah. Why is there a reason? Especially a guy like, I mean, you look at Duke Rufus and you look at Dela Grate, you look at Phil Nurse and Jackson, all these guys, and they've been there.

04:38Like, Phil's never broken his hand, but he's got a lump like a mountain on his hand. Wow. He's been in fights. And Rufus is a... What's the lump from if he didn't break his hand? Yeah. Just little compounds over time just built up. I mean, these guys have been through wars. Wow. Nothing to prove. Right. They know they're badass and they respect everyone. Yeah. The worst aspect of men is men that aren't sure of themselves and want to convince everyone around them instead. Exactly. You know, they want to be the guy who walks in the room and everybody cowers in fear because they're secretly in fear themselves. Exactly. Yeah. It's the weirdest thing in the world when you see a guy like that get their ass kicked. That's right. You know? It's real gangsters don't flex much, I think they call it. They don't have to. They don't run fast because real gangsters don't have to. Real gangsters.

05:25What a fucking distorted word in the 21st century. It's become something different, you know? It's like something's good is gangster. That's all quoted from Damn It Feels Good to Be a Gangster. Damn It Feels Good to Be a Gangster. It's such a great song. One of the best songs ever. I don't want to come out to that. They would let me come out to other songs when I fight. They will only make you come out to California Kid? I try to do it a couple different times. Dude, we got to talk to Dana and have Damn It Feels Good to Be a Gangster. You come out to some old school ghetto boys. I'm going back to Cali. I was going to do Brass Monkey. That's a good one too. Why can't you do I'm going back to Cali? Is it because I have to pay? Is that it maybe? No, they're all about marketing. I mean, that is my song. When people hear it, that's my song. Yeah, but going back to Cali would be the shit. It would be awesome.

06:08That would be the shit for this next fight. When I'm not in Cali. Yeah. Why don't they just mash it up? Have somebody mash it up for you. I tried that too. Dana won't let us. God damn it, Dana. We're going to have to talk to them. That's ridiculous. Going back to Cali is the shit. Dude, going back to Cali. Chilling. Bikini small. Heels tall. That's right. She said she likes the ocean. That's right. That's a classic, man. Why can't you come out to that, Dana White? What the fuck? Dude, when I first started the WC, I wanted California Love and they would not let me come out to it. They had me come out to, I think what I used to come out to. But they're like, I was like, I want to come out to California Love and I always mix it up, right? They wouldn't let me. They wouldn't let me. And then I took a stand, my first Jen's Pulver fight. And I told them, I'm coming out to California Love.

06:57Why do they have an argument over what fucking music he come out to? They think they know it's cool. I'm like, allow me. Was this Reed? This was Peter Dropik. Bless his heart. How dare you, Peter? Peter. He wouldn't let me come out to California Love. Somebody probably tells him, right? I'm sure. I'm sure. But I was like, look, let me worry about what's cool for me. You guys just fucking run the cameras and shit. Well, it's sort of like become a part of your thing, though, man. It has. It's a pretty fucking dope song, too. Actually, if I had to choose between which song I like better, I like that song better. But it would be cool to mix it up. Yeah, every once in a while, mix it up. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I like when guys come out to one song. I don't know why. Mike Brown, I like when he comes out to Simple Man. I don't know why. He always does. Like when Matt Hughes would come out to Country Boy Can't Survive.

07:46That was part of the fun of it. You know, Joe Benavidez, Stranglehold. Yeah. Fuck yeah. I love that song, too. That's the song that Randy came out to when he fought Mark Coleman. Yeah. Joseph was all upset, man. Oh, really? He stole his thumb. He's like, Randy Couture, he challenged him on Twitter and everything. What? And then Mike, our finalist. What do you mean he challenged him on Twitter? No, Joseph's a cracker. He made some comments. Yeah. He made some comments. About Randy Jack and his music. Yeah. That's funny. So fighters can claim the music? Like, unfortunately, Randy kind of can do whatever the hell he wants. Well, not only that, Randy's 48. So Randy, like Ted Nugent, Stranglehold, that was when Randy was young. Yeah. You know what I mean? But he's had some other songs. Yeah. I mean. That's a fucking badass jam. That is. Especially when you're coming out and submitting black belts. Yeah.

08:34And letting people know who's boss. Yeah. Yeah. Randy Couture, if he had adopted that strategy early on in his career, I think he could have submitted a lot of guys. Oh, yeah. Once he started, like, really concentrating with Neil Melanson on submissions. I mean, he's such an expert grappler. He would just have to go right to that from the beginning. Right. If he embraced, like, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, like, right away, he would be a super black belt. It would be ridiculous. Well, a bunch of these guys. How about a guy like Mark Coleman? Mark Coleman. Dude. I wrote about this in my book. Did you? And it's called Use Your Head Whatever Way You Can. And it basically talks about how I was at a bar in Vegas with Coleman. His buddies were like, oh, Coleman, back in the day when headbutts were illegal, nobody could beat Coleman. And Coleman didn't really say anything, but his guys were going on.

09:22And he didn't, like, disclaim it at all. It's tough to fuck with that big dude on top of you, headbutting the shit out of you. Headbutting the shit out of you. That is a real weapon, right? How do you feel about headbutts and elbows to the back of the head and strikes to the back of the head? Well, if somebody's got me in a position where they can hold me down and elbow the back of my head, fuck, go for it. I mean, I fucked up. Right, right, right. You know what I mean? I know what you mean. It's like, you get to that point where headbutting and elbowing someone in the back of the head is, like, the position you're in, you're probably going to get your ass kicked anyway. So go ahead and do it. Yeah, so it's weird. We've got a weird rule system. You know, it's kind of vague. And then the back of the head sort of changed. I had heard it was a mohawk. You know, it was that. Now you've just got to touch the ear.

10:09You have to touch the ear when you're striking a guy. A part of it has to be, like, here. Like, some part of it has to touch the ear. It's so vague. And it's, you know, in situations like Eric Silva when he got disqualified in Brazil. It was like. That was bad. That cost Chad a penalty. Did it really? Yeah, because that ref got yelled at for doing the Brazilians. Who was it? Mario Yamasaki. Yamasaki, who's an awesome ref. Awesome ref. But he told us in the back, if somebody grabs the cage, we're deducting a point, period. You know, if it stops the takedown. Right. Then he puts himself in that position doing the bad call where it was like, I mean, that guy won the fight. It was a bad call. But, you know, it's one of those calls that you should have the power to reverse it with instant replay. Because it was clear that the guy was hurt. That, you know, Prater was hurt. Right. He was hurt bad.

10:58It wasn't clear, you know, when you looked at it like that. It should have been stopped from strikes to the back of the head. So then you've got to play it back. And then when you played it back, everybody was like, come on, man. It was just like, maybe there was one. Why don't they do that? They should. I don't know why they do it. It's weird when they have, like, rules. Like, they just say, this is just how we do it. Right. Like, and this is how it's written. Like, that's nonsense. You have some new technology. The average person, the average intelligent person would say, well, let's look at a video. So that way we could be sure. This is a career-defining mistake. Didn't they take that away from football, too, or they reinstate it? Because when I was a kid, I thought there was always an instant replay. I don't know. I don't follow football. I don't know if they...

11:35I haven't followed it since I got laid, actually. I haven't followed it in high school. You wrestled all throughout high school? I wrestled all throughout high school. I played football, too. Did you really? Football was my first love. Really? From, like, third grade on up. And I think I stopped following football once I got laid. And it was like, Saturday and Sunday was no longer about watching football. It was about chicks, yeah. That almost cost me my competitive taekwondo career when I started getting pussy. It was like, I barely showed up to training. And they're like, oh, wait. These girls like me because I'm kicking everyone's ass. All right, hold on a second. Let's reevaluate. Yeah, I showed up at class once all tan and my instructor was making fun of me. I'm like, where the fuck you been? I just knew what was up. This is right about the same age. Pretty girlfriend followed me everywhere I went.

12:22That's awesome. You know, that's a huge distraction for athletes, isn't it? It is. Well, it can be. Can be. How about the guy that gets all hung up on chicks? Because there's like different kinds of chicks. There's chicks that will be like waiting on your hand and foot. You don't have to worry about them, this and that. And there's like the chick that you have to watch out because if you turn your back, your buddies are going to be on top of her. Oh, yeah. You got to watch out. Those are the ones you got to watch out. I've seen guys that like actively go after chicks like that and it's just retarded. It ruins them. You know? Some dudes just love sabotage. Dude. I think a lot of it is guys also that are unsure in their life and they're subconsciously looking for something to distract them from all the bullshit they really should be handling about their own life. I think it has to do with their moms.

13:07Could be that too. They're like going after what they know at home, which is so. Oh, your mom's a crazy bitch. You want to put your mom on such a pedestal. Yeah. You know? Well, that's probably the case because my mom was like really nice and like really easy going. So was mine. Yeah. Everyone else you ask. Yeah. But ask her high school friends. Oh, really? Yeah, right? Yeah. It's that is the grand trap in picking the wrong people to spend your time with, especially like a relationship. Oh, gosh. Like, you know, I was reading about some guy who killed his girlfriend. And, you know, she broke up with him and he killed her. And I was thinking, you know, what a terrible situation for that girl. She fucked up and got like worst case scenario. One of the biggest idiots in the fucking world that so can't handle a breakup. He has to go back and kill you. You know, what a fucking loser. Like that is like loser defined.

14:00But then you got to look at her too. I mean, like what made her attracted to the guy that was going to kill her? I mean, it's like probably violence. I think the correlation there too could be, but it also could be youth. You know, I mean, I've done a lot of stupid things when I was young and they don't really define me. They just define that. I didn't know shit at the time. Yeah. I mean, that's the whole the process of life is about, you know, learning from fuck ups. She shouldn't have to get killed because she had a weird thing for like some thug life type dude. Yeah. Dude, I remember. I mean, I've seen girls get ruined. I was from a small town. It was like Mexicans and cowboys, you know, I moved there in the seventh grade and you'd see like a girl just like take the wrong path. And next, you know, she's got like a neck tattoo and like pregnant and like the ninth grade. That was it. Right.

14:47That's a cowboy, right? No. Where did you grow up? I was in Lincoln, the Lincoln of Lincoln. Where's Lincoln? It's like outskirts of Sacramento. I moved there in the seventh grade and like, you know, country cruising. There was like 7000 people. Now there's like 40,000. Wow. And we got a lot with a lot of crap, like jumping cars out in the country. Like we got in trouble one time. We had off campus lunch. And so we'd have, you know, in the springtime, season's over and all that kind of stuff. We'd be out in the country driving around drinking beers on the roof and like doing crazy stuff. And somebody called in the school and was like, we saw Uriah and Will Crager and Jim Cannon on the roof of the car drinking beers and this and that. And I go back and I had their principal loved us. And she's like, we had reports that you're drinking beers sitting on the roof.

15:40And like we were on the roof, but we were not drinking beers. And she's like, that's what I told you guys wouldn't be doing that. Free and clear. 7,000 people. What is that like? That's got to be weird growing up in a really small. That's pretty small, right? Yeah, that's very. But you know everybody, right? Yeah. Does everybody know everybody? Oh, of course. See, that's weird. I don't know anybody in my neighborhood. You know what, though? It's good, though. I mean, that's better. I think it's good. I mean, everybody knows you can't be a slimeball if you're a slimeball. Everybody knows you're a slimeball. It's a real community. Yeah. It's a community and you're forced to have a conscience. That's actually interesting. I don't trust chicks from New York or New Jersey. Really? Not really. Really? No. Only small town girls. Not only small town girls. But you prefer?

16:28I would say I'm a pretty good judge of character, but I feel like over there, like the girls are dealing with guys that are on a different level, like the guys on Jersey Shore a little bit. You know what I mean? So they have to kind of adapt and become a mild version of that, which is like a full-on version of a player out in California. Yeah. The kind of aggression that you have to deal with on the East Coast is very different. There's a lot of douchey dudes. Yeah, like blatantly, like, oh, I want to take you out, girl. I've heard some funny stories and seen some stuff where guys are like, ah. Yeah. I grew up with those idiots. Yeah. East Coast is a different vibe, man. It's totally different. They're hardened. I got my mom and my dad calling me right now. Good problem and bad problem to have. It's like, okay, guys. Your parents, they were kind of hippie. Is that the deal? Yeah. Yeah.

17:23Back in the day, you know, they're, well, I was, I made the seventies, 1979. And my parents were out in Isla Vista, California, which is like the college town right next to Santa Barbara. And they weren't going to college. They were just chilling. You know, my dad was, you know, working odd jobs and they actually met at a restaurant and stuff. But they're like part of a hippie Christian commune. Oh, wow. A hippie Christian commune. How'd they work that out? I don't know. I was barely there. I was like four. When we left, it was like four. The communes always seem like a great idea until some dude starts fucking everybody's wife. You know, it's always that. That's what always, it always starts. What a great idea. We're going to form our own community. This is going to be beautiful. There's a movie right now. What's the movie that's out right now? I don't know. Which. It's a, it's hilarious though.

18:10It's about like the commune, like they stop in, they're going to like get married and they like car breaks down and they pull into this commune. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Who the fuck is in that? Is that Jennifer Aniston? Tommy, you remember? Oh my God. We're talking about a Jennifer Aniston movie. Yes. We might be a couple of queers. We're talking like all excitedly about Jennifer Aniston. Is there anybody that nailed the female genre more than Jennifer Aniston? She's locked that shit down. If a girl tells you she wants to take you to a Jennifer Aniston movie, you go, oh fuck. Yeah. You know, if someone says like, you're going to go to a Meryl Streep movie, that shit could be anything. Did you ever meet her, Joe? Meryl Streep or Jennifer Aniston? Jennifer Aniston. No. I saw her once in real life. She had a great character. She was right there. I was like as close as you are to me. And Courtney Cox was there too.

18:56Were you looking through a window? No. When I was on NBC, I was on News Radio. And News Radio was like the redheaded stepchild of NBC. They didn't get any promotion at all until after it was canceled. When it was canceled, then it became popular. It was really weird. Like through DVD sales and through people watching it like on late night TV. But we would go to these things where you would have all the publicity things. Nobody wanted to talk to us. Especially me. Nobody gave a fuck about me. I'm on this sitcom that's barely hanging on. Like at one point in time, my friend Joe, who's one of the writers, would write down on his shirt. No, I'm sorry. Lou. Lou Morton. I don't know why I called him Joe. Confusing the guys. Lou Morton used to write down on his shirt what the number was that we were ranked on TV. He came in one day and said 84. We were like fucking 84? Friends was number one. We were 84.

19:47Dude, that's awesome. The president of NBC was on like, what's that Fez show that's off or on? Ron and Fez. Ron and Fez. Yeah. I think it was Ron and Fez. Uh-huh. And he was talking about after Phil died where Andy wanted more money. Yeah. Did you hear that interview? Oh, I know the whole story. I wouldn't have ever brought it up because it's a terrible story. The president brought it up. I'm sure. Well, you know what? You know Andy. Andy's Andy. He's fucking crazy. But the thing that he said to him. You hear about Andy Dick? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man. I was on a sitcom with him. That guy is nuts. What happened with you and him? He came. Is he openly gay? I don't know if that's a secret. Oh, no. But he was saying some absurd stuff to me. One time I met him and the other time, the first time I met him I was at a hotel downtown in L.A. Can I get you to talk like right into that? Yeah, it'd be a lot louder. Hello? There it is.

20:45There we go. See, we can both hear each other great, but on the recording, people get pissed at me. It was like we were there at just a little bar in this hotel, and I'm with my manager and just kicking it. And he starts coming on to me hard. And then he's like, I'm saying stuff. I thought he was joking. And then he's like, he says, how old are you? And I was like 27. He's like, you're too fucking old. Like that. I'm like this and that. And he's like being absurd. And I just like basically took off. Then the second time I met him, he was with a band. Does he have a band or something? Probably. He was with a band at the Hard Rock. And I had fought. And I was at the elevator. And his buddy's like, oh, man, we're big fans. Some band they were with. I forget what band it was. And they're like, come in and meet the rest of the band. And he's in there. And he's shit-faced.

21:42And he's like starts chasing me around the room. He's like taking a piss, like stumbling around. It's like the middle of the day. And he's wasting. He's like taking a piss. And he like comes out right after he's done taking a piss. And he's like chasing me around the room. Like, come here, little fucker. I'm going to this and that. And I'm like jumping. I'm like, whoa, whoa. It's like pants fall down. I'm like, what the hell is going on with this guy? So I was like, I just fucking beelined out of there. And was like. But he's got kids or something. Fuck yeah. He's got a bunch of kids. Okay, well, I don't know if that was a secret. It ain't a secret. He's crazy as fuck. I've worked with that guy for five years. And he's always like, you were an asshole to me. Did you ever bang him? No, never banged him. Never banged him. We got inappropriate a few times. For the story, I talked to him the other night.

22:32And I was saying, I was like, man, I want you to come back on so bad. But I don't know. Get the fuck out of here. What's wrong with you? He's such a nice guy. What's wrong with you? Dude, he's so awesome. Yeah, but did you just hear what he said? Did you just hear what he said? Yeah, I know. I had to deal with that for five years. He was wasted the whole time. This guy, he doesn't want it. He never wants to believe that anything's him. He's like, you're an asshole to me. I'm like, do you know what you were like, you crazy fuck? He knocked on my door in my room. And he goes, open the door real quick. I was getting changed. I open up the door. He's like, you're in there fucking, aren't you? And he had his dick out. He was beating up. And I've talked about this before. But what's fucked up about it was he didn't even have the fucking, didn't even get hard first. I mean. You're like, look.

23:16You came here and let's get it hard. Not even that enthusiastic. This is very, it was insulting. I'd rather have it hard. At least he was hard. I can understand why he was going so crazy. But it was disrespectful. At least he thought you were cute. He's a talented motherfucker. What he is is a really, really funny guy. But he's crazy. He doesn't mean to be a bad guy. He doesn't give a fuck, which is interesting because most people do give a fuck. Yeah. So there's that element of it. I mean, there's a couple people in this world that really don't give a fuck and are entertaining. Yeah. And he's definitely on that level. I really love the guy. I mean, it's just too much work. You know? I wish him the best. But it's just, I don't, you know, the one podcast we have, the most plenty. When he started talking about how attracted he was to me, I was so attracted to him. We worked together.

24:04My top five podcasts of all time. Yeah, because you're a sick fuck. You got problems. The chemistry between you two is amazing. He means that. It's real amazing being around a crazy person. Yeah, but somebody that you know and you know that he's not going to go crazy on you. No. When I say crazy person. I mean, like I said, I would still, you know, if somebody came up with a sitcom and it was going to be me and Andy Dick, I would still have to consider it. God, that'd be the best. Like, who's some buddies? I wouldn't, I don't want to ever do a sitcom again, though. I don't know. It's hard to get a guy like that a gig, unfortunately, because he's made a few mistakes. By the way, Joe. Didn't he beat someone up or something? I don't think so. I think he's pulled out his dick on numerous occasions. Yeah. The Donkey Kong video is on YouTube, by the way. Yeah, I heard. So grab it.

24:48Everyone download that because I'll probably get pulled. It's on there. It seems like it's from another country. It's from, they played that episode overseas. They're playing the episode. Well, that's ridiculous. Yeah. Then it's on the internet. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Wow. Those silly bitches. They got so greedy, they figured we'll just sell this episode to like Denmark or something and not air it in America. Well, in other countries, there's no problem with that because they drink that shit. Well, that's where the thing about Fear Factor is you have to, someone has to eat it in some other part of the world for us to serve it. Right. So like when people in New Zealand started drinking shots of horse cum, they would sell it at bars like as a goof. Like you have a cup of tequilas and then you get Randy and like, let's have a fucking horse. That's a bad New Zealand accent. Oh, man. Yeah. And it was also horse urine.

25:30You never said that. It wasn't horse urine. It was urine. Just urine. It was actually cow urine. I never said donkey urine because I would have to tell the truth. It wasn't donkey urine, but it was donkey cum. It was cow urine and donkey cum. Wow. Wow. Who was the test dummy for that? Well, that's really crazy. We had some people that worked for us. He's under the cow just working it. We had some people that worked for us that had to actually do it as well as the contestants. We had to get people to test it to see if it was possible. Right. So we have PAs and they would only get $100. to drink like 24 ounces of donkey cum. And I had more money on them, so I gave them a few hundred bucks out of my own pocket for having to do it. But I was just like, this is the craziest fucking thing I've ever seen. That's nuts. I had a friend that was just on your show. Yeah, it was pretty harsh. Yeah? Who was it? Andrea Summers.

26:22You know who that is? No. A little blonde from San Diego. Her and her boyfriend. Maybe. How'd they do? How well'd they do? She said she was 15 seconds away from winning. Oh, really? Yeah. Why can't I remember? What's her name again? It has something to do with... Pot? You think? Yeah. Alpha Brain or Pot? No, you know, there's too many people. I did 148 episodes. Holy smokes. There's too many people. 148 episodes. Most of the time, it was like six, eight people. You'd have to remember every week. Four. Yeah. You'd get down to four. You know, it's like... And then the next week, it would be a whole new people. And I just... My memory bank would just erase. Right. It's like, there's a thing called Dunbar's number. Oh, there it is. There's a thing called Dunbar's number. And what Dunbar's number is, it's... Look at it. What is that language? That's a... We probably shouldn't play this, dude, because this is... They're gonna...

27:14People are gonna get sued for that or something. I assume. I mean, that was the Donkey Kong episode. Oh, my God. Yeah. Do you see, like, the size of the bucket that's in front of them? We could show it to you if you want to watch it. It is on TV. I mean, it is on the internet. That's pretty intense. Are those twins? Are those blonde twins? Wow. They were twins. And there was brunette twins. And then two dudes that were twins. It was a twins episode. That's awesome. How many hits is that? 427. Oh, by the way, it's on more than one... Oh, yeah. Because the other one was on TwitVid that I saw earlier. It's on a bunch of different formats now. I knew it would come out eventually, but man. It's crazy. Those twins are awesome. Yeah. They were very hot. All of them were. It's disturbing. I would love to have, when I have kids, have twin boys. I would hate to have twin girls. Yeah. I know. That would be the worst.

28:07Everywhere they go, someone's thinking about fucking them. Yes. Yeah. And they don't even have to be that hot. Yeah, let's not have this on, Brian. I think, folks, if they want to find it, it's out there. Can we just flash to it right when they're drinking the white stuff? No, no, no. I just don't think we should. I don't know what the legal status of all this stuff is. And I don't know what my position is in that. You know what I mean? Yeah. Just a little flash. Just because I don't know what my position is. That might be illegal for me to do. Right. I might get sued or something. The show was canceled because of that. Yeah. Which was a good thing. The show was canceled because of that? Yeah. Because people had a drink dunk. I mean, essentially, they had a real hard time finding advertisers in the first place. And then after this got on TMZ, they were like, get the fuck out of here.

28:55They were pretty convinced it was going to be brought back before that. Well, now with this internet video leak, maybe it will be. Maybe it will become this. Nah. You know what, man? I'm happy it's done. I wouldn't do it again. I did it, but I'm done. It's an actual job. That's what you said last time. I did. But yeah, but this time, I'm totally serious because I did try it. I took six years off and tried it again. Not really. Anyway, back to you, Uriah. Let's talk about you, man. Fuck me. Tell me more about this hippie childhood because you grew up with holistic medicine and apple cider vinegar, that kind of shit. Yeah. Well, starting out was basically in that hippie commune. You know, like, I love this. It was like, you know, free spirited Christian. Like everyone, like, you know, you go to church and it's like people like reaching up to the sky and like people crying and stuff like that.

29:47But that kind of wore out. So it was like a really, that must have been really trippy as a kid. It was called New Hope Church or whatever it was. And it didn't last? No, I mean, my family on my dad's side is first, my dad's first generation American from Holland. And they're really, really strong Christians on the dad's side. And my mom's side is not so much. You know, my, it's like not, not, not anything like that. So I think it was like a mixture of the two. My dad, you know, was like, you know, grew up, he's the first guy, first guy from his family to be in America and like in the seventies, it was kind of like a, a wild child and stuff like that. And then like born again, Christian after a certain amount of time. So they spent like the early parts of my childhood were in that environment. And it kind of lasted, some of the stuff lasted, you know, throughout my, my life.

30:34But it was, my parents got in a divorce when I was in kindergarten. So that was like, then I went back to one side kind of having it one side, really not, you know? Wow. That's a, that must've been an interesting childhood to go from that. How do you go from that to being a mixed martial arts fighter? Uh, well, the thing is about the mentality is just basically encouraging you to do whatever the heck you want, you know? And, and my parents aren't like, you know, never had anything mapped out. It was always like, my dad's like super proud of anything that we ever had done. And my mom's like, you know, always just pushing you to be, uh, you know, the best at whatever you do. So this is just what I was drawn to. I always used to watch the boxing. All my favorite movies were karate movies and, and, you know, all that kind of stuff. And how many kids grew up with you? It was my brother and my little sister.

31:24My little sister was 13 when she was born. So it was just me and my brother, really. She was 13 when who was born? My, my sister was born when I was 13. Oh, okay. Yeah. You, yeah, I swapped it. Yeah. Um, so what do they do now? My brother lives in Sacramento and actually he's, he's, he's an interesting case. He, he actually went to college on a scholarship and had like a complete mental breakdown at the age of 21. Whoa. Yeah. So he's never really been the same. It's, it's kind of a, I actually, my book, I talk about it like a, like the whole effect that had on all of our lives and everything. But, um, he went away on a scholarship was like the captain of the football team, captain of the wrestling team, went away to a Christian school, got recruited by this church called international church of Christ and was like trying to live this perfect life. Like not thinking about sex.

32:19He was eating less, sleeping less. He was giving like 25% of his money that he's working at Nordstrom, a cafe at Nordstrom at the time and like giving his money away and had like a breakdown, man. We don't really know exactly what happened, but he's, uh, he works with my, with my family when he can. It's like that, but it's been kind of an uphill, uphill battle for us. How many years ago was this? 14 years ago. Or my senior year in high school. Jesus Christ. So he was this bad motherfucker and then blew a fuse. Like he hit the red line too hard, too many times. Yeah. We don't know exactly what happened. I mean, we got a call and, uh, we got a call from his boss at work at Nordstrom and then a family that he was staying with. We checked in and they said, yeah, he's been, he's been, uh, he's lost a lot of weight. He was like 165 pounds in high school wrestling, 165 pounds. He was like 130, 125, 130 pounds.

33:15Had been like, wasn't smiling, was like washing his hands obsessively. Wow. And my mom and my stepdad and my, my pop and, and his wife all jumped in a car on New Year's day in, uh, 1998 and drove to LA and, and brought him home. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. It's been a crazy, if you read, if you read the chapter, there's a chapter on it, my book that talks about just life's hiccups and the uncontrollable stuff. And it was, it was pretty crazy, man. Also some good stories. Cause after 13 years, you know, it is what it is. And you just kind of deal with, you know, what life gives you. And he's a funny mofo. He's funny. He's funny. I mean, he's still really intelligent, but he's unpredictable. And like, you know, like we've got. So he's a different guy. Oh yeah. A hundred percent. So like a fuse blew and your brother's gone and there's a new guy there now. Pretty much. Whoa. Yeah.

34:11And, uh, you know, it's, it's, it's been a trip, man. And my little sister is 13 when, when, or she's, well, I was 13 when she was born and my brother's two and a half years older than I am. So she's never really, she's never really remembered him as I grew up with him. You know what I mean? As my older brother and everything else, it's been like a modified version of that. And I mean, he goes up and has some great times and then has some, some bad times too, but it's definitely interesting. I did and there's nothing they can do about something like that when it's not like, is it a counseling issue or is it a physical aspect of the mind that they don't understand? My mom doesn't like to call it schizophrenia, but that's basically the, the matrix of what, what's going on is just anything that they deem is like, don't know what it is. They throw in that category. Right.

35:02And he definitely has different signs throughout time of, of having that kind of, you know, schizophrenic behaviors. So it's just unpredictability, man. It's crazy. You live a wild, crazy fucking life. I mean, you're a professional cage fighter. Do you ever wonder like, you know, I know that just from, obviously I've never, I never fought in MMA, but I know from seeing all the fucking championship fights that I've seen, all the high pressure situations that I've seen, like the toll that it must have on your psyche for a lot of dudes is, is pretty fucking incredible. Do you ever like see your brother and go, you know, is this possible this could happen to me? Could I blow a fuse too? I mean, it's possible for anybody, you know? You think so? Oh yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Definitely. I mean, I think, uh, do you worry about it? No, no, no. You can't walk around worrying about life in general.

35:56He'd never leave the room. If I had a sister that was a cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs, I'd go, God damn, I might be fucking crazy too. I might be in denial. You know, I might just be, at least you're successful crazy. You know what I mean? He knows, but maybe your brother should get into comedy. It sounds like every comedian, irresponsible, hilarious. He's definitely has his moments. Lost his shit because work was too fucking crazy. Yeah. That sounds like a comedian, man. Yeah. And you said he's funny. He is funny. Get that dude into standup comedy. You're in Northern California and plenty of places to do it up there. You'd have to meet my bro. I mean, there's, there's, uh, he's, he's an interesting cat, man. Yeah. Yeah. And we all love him. And, uh, I don't know if he could, he, he could definitely, uh, he could definitely have a, a couple of moments. I'm going to pull up some videos of him on the phone actually.

36:42Okay. Does, does he work? He does work periodically, but it's, it's just when he can't cause it's just unpredictable. There's times where he'll go like a whole year where things are straight for him. Too much stimulus will happen or, you know, even sometimes a year and he just kind of. So it's almost like he really did redline his brain. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. And we don't know what happened. I mean, we don't, as far as. You know, when you, when you see guys like the highest level of any, any sport, especially when it comes to like, um, wrestling or anything where it's like super ultra competitive and you hear stories of a guy like a Dan Gable, you know, you hear stories about a guy who's He was a little crazy, man. Fuck yeah, he was. Crazy. Yeah. He, I mean, that guy paid the price for it physically too. Like today he's got hip replacements and his knees are shot and you know. Yeah, for sure.

37:34Do you, have you ever read up on him? I mean, you know, you know about his sister and all that kind of stuff. She was murdered. Yeah. Murdered by her neighbor. Yeah. Like raped and murdered and stuff like that. And he, that was what drove him. Yeah. He was a demon. That guy was possessed. You ever see those videos of him when he was younger and he would talk about it, you know, and like, he's fucking terrifying. That guy was terrifying. I wrestled, well I wrestled at UC Davis and we spent, you know, we had a couple different tournaments, we were in Iowa. And we went into Iowa, he was retired from coaching and wasn't competing, just old Dan Gable. And we were in the room working out and he's in there in a full sweatsuit with the hood up and he's drilling double legs on this dummy against the wall. Just drilling, bam, bam.

38:19He gets on the bike and he's like, just pushing himself on the, on the, on the stationary bike and just going crazy. No one else is in the room. It's just him. The guy is just like, he's on it. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Just, he's never letting it go. Dude. Ever. I think. Drilling double legs. How old was he? Like 60? Yeah, at least. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Imagine 60 year old dudes shooting doubles, drilling them with sweatsuits on. Well, you got to figure if you get, you're in a, in a repetition. I'm the same way. If I'm, if I'm not working out for a period of time, it just doesn't feel right. Right. You know what I mean? It feels weird. It's probably like some people with smoking cigarettes or, you know, whatever else the, the routine has become like, you don't feel yourself unless you're like putting your body through a little something. And I'm the same way. I don't feel balanced.

39:09I don't trust myself if I don't work out hard. If I, if I work out hard, I feel like my brain is able to, to react to things on an even field. Whereas if I'm stressed, like if I haven't worked out in a couple of days and I'm all, it's all built up, you can, I think you can overreact to things cause your brain is looking for some fucking something to, I got to get rid of this pressure that's been building up. Yeah. It's weird. It's weird. It's weird the way, uh, I mean, it's just routine, you know, it's like, it's like a, it's like an OCD type, but I'm not by any, any means like an OCD type of person. I like, like I said, I don't, I'm not great at structure and I'm good. I'm good at like sticking to a game plan, but like I could sleep in the car and this car seat and I could sleep on the floor and I don't need to like go through a routine.

39:54But some people like need to have the little things that they do. Right. They don't feel right. Right. And mine, I think is just about a certain amount of energy that I have to exert through the day or else I can't sleep. Right. You know, it's like, that's interesting. Do you think that that is a routine thing or do you think that your body just requires that because you're, I mean, you're, you're, your body's essentially a race car. Yeah. I think my body requires, I mean, I think, I think I have a certain amount of energy that I need to get out. If I get myself thinking about something too late in the, in the, in the night or, you know, like watch sparring or watch something on my, the guy I'm going to fight, I'm like amped up and ready to go. Right. Right. That's the problem. Right. You have to time that shit out. Yeah. You got to time it out and I'm, I've been blowing it, especially my time in Vegas.

40:38It's like, I just found myself not getting enough sleep, but you know, it's like not wanting to go to bed, but having to get up in the morning. Do you ever sleep in the hyperbaric chamber? I know you've used it several times. It's one of the things that I really wanted to ask you about, cause I'm kind of fascinated by it. The results of the hyperbaric chamber are pretty spectacular. Yeah. They're crazy. And I've, I've gone in there and slept a couple of times, but it's only, you know, you only want to do it a certain amount of time, a certain amount of length of time. You know, it's like an hour and a half for this certain kind of treatment. It's an hour for, uh, other types of treatment. Is it dangerous? It's not dangerous, but, uh, I mean, I think it, it's, it's something that can, can, can mess with you a little bit.

41:18Like when you're doing the hyperbaric chamber, nice face, you meant, I'm thinking about trying it now, but, uh, when they do the change of, of whatever the pressure is in there, it feels like you're going up and down in a plane. And they can feel your ears like clicking and stuff like that. And you have to blow them out. And when they bring the pressure back down, you can feel them popping and stuff like that also. Wow. So, I mean, you can feel something's happening, but the trippiest thing about the hyperbaric chamber was, you know, I, I started going in when I broke my hands against Brown. I broke my right hand and then I dislocated my thumb on the left. That was a crazy fight. And a really impressive fight on your, on your behalf, because you broke your hand in the first round, you know, and you went back and you're like, you're like, you're like, I broke my fucking hand.

42:03And then you're like, all right, they're both shot. And then you're like, all right, well, it's elbows and kicks. Let's just do this. But for three fucking rounds hard. Well, you broke both of them in the first. I broke the, the, the first one in the first round. So four rounds of that. And then the third round, I dislocated my thumb. Wow. And a championship fight. And you know, and you're fighting, you know, the first guy to take your title in this crazy fight. Yeah. And I was up a weight too, because it, you know, didn't have 35. Yeah. Now when 35, when you decided to drop down to 35, you, this is like your home now. You don't, you don't feel like, um, like, you know, at 135 pounds, this is like the perfect amount of weight you cut. Perfect. You're, you're physically big as big as anybody in the division. Yeah. And that's, that's the thing with 45s. I mean, people don't understand.

42:51It's like, we've got a lot of new people in the sport. They don't understand the history of it. They don't understand that when I first started fighting, I was fighting in Indian casinos. There was no sanctioning body. I was wearing shoes. You can knee people in the head. I saw you fighting one of those. I saw you fighting the King in the Cage in a casino. Yeah. Back in the day. One of those Indian casinos. Yeah. And then, and then, you know, there was no opportunity for me to fight at 135 pounds. I would have. I was only 148 when I first started fighting and I was fighting 155. And then I, I made a stand and said, I'm going to fight at 145. But that was like making a stand to do that. And I became a world champion up there. And, you know, after that, it was like, I was good enough to be right there for another title shot.

43:35I was, I was able to beat the next contenders and, and be competitive enough to, to get those title shots. And I'm never going to turn that down. I could have gone to 35s a long time ago. Right. But I was like, I'm not missing opportunities. I want to fight Jose Aldo. I want to fight Mike Brown. I want to fight, you know, these guys, even though they're bigger than I am. How much bigger was Aldo than you? I talked to him. He said he tries to stay right under 170 and I'm about 154. Wow. That's a lot of fucking weight. And especially. Mike Brown weighed 166. In the ring? In the ring. And I weighed about 153, 154. Wow. Mike Brown's a big dude. Yeah. Yeah. He's, it's amazing. I think he's getting smaller now though, he said. Yeah. Was it harder for him to make that cut? Oh yeah. Yeah. As you get older, it's harder and harder to dehydrate yourself, right? Yeah. What is the, what are you cutting to get to 35?

44:23I'm cutting about 21 pounds. Jesus Christ. Christ. And when you're, you know, when you're talking about 135 pound result, you know, that's, that's a large percentage. That's not like a 265 pounder cutting 20 pounds. No. That's a lot. You know, if Brock Lesnar cut 20 pounds to make 265, that's a lot. But look at the size of that motherfucker. And then look at the size of you. Yeah. You're cutting. You're dehydrating that shit out of yourself. Yeah. I mean, well, I've got it down to science. Yeah. Because I work out so much, my weight fluctuates like. You know, five to eight pounds in a day anyways. Like depending on what I've had to eat and what my workouts are like and stuff like that. So I swing like that, like drastically anyways. So it's just about tricking your body, you know, because it's like how much sodium you have in your body, how many electrolytes and stuff like that.

45:13What, what's going on digestively in your stomach? So if you like treat yourself like a race car when it comes to the, the training thing, and once you're down to weight, you can really like gear up just for a workout, go on to empty and then either go back up from there or go back down from there. And that's where the tricky part gets. And that's where I've been doing it for a long time. And I have an advantage because I know my body, you know, and it's, I mean, I put on 17 pounds after weighing 13 hours. What percentage of your body is that at 135 pounds? I'm an idiot. You got to do that, man. I'm not even asking Brian to do it. He looked at me. I'm going to have my good Vietnamese American buddy over here. Statistics, Tommy, please. That seems like a massive amount of body weight. Yeah, it's, it's a lot. I mean. Do you ever put too much on? Do you ever done that? Over modulated? The first time. Yeah.

46:06The first time I did, I put too much weight on and then I didn't eat much during the, the, the hours before the fight. So I woke up and I was like bloated and I was like, all right, I didn't eat. But luckily like an hour before I went on, I started to feel normal again. That was against Mizugaki. Wow. How, uh, how much of a pain in the ass is that? That whole process of rehydrating yourself and trying to feel healthy again? Because I would imagine that when you cut 21 pounds, like when you're on the scale that day, you must feel fucking terrible. Yes. That's, uh, correct. I've seen guys where they look like they're ready to die. Dude, there's a reason. Travis Luter. Well, I stop and I drink that coconut before I do anything else. I'm like, you need nothing else matters. Yeah. I'm going to get this, these electrolytes and this stuff in my body now. You're barely hanging on, right? It's so crazy.

46:57It's like an event in and of itself though. The weight cut. Yeah. I was there when Travis Luter missed weight against Anderson Silva. I have never seen a dude look closer to death. Travis, his lips were chapped. All the water, the moisture had sucked out of his lips. His whole body was completely dehydrated and he wasn't even walking towards the scale. This is after he'd missed the weight and he was coming back to try to, to try to make it. And he's shuffling. He couldn't even walk. He was shuffling. His face was sunken in and then he quit. He said, I can't do it. I can't do it. I'm done. This is all I can lose. They're like, you have, you have another hour. You have another hour. If you'd like to try to lose the weight, he's like, I can't do it. Yeah. We had one of our guys in Brazil do that. And he, he, uh, Eddie Hoke from Alaska.

47:39And, uh, he got down to like less than a half a pound over, but that half, I was in the, I was in the, the sauna and the workout room with him for like seven hours. I'm like getting in and getting out. And I finally give him a bit pep talk about like, he was like moping around like shadow box. I'm like, look, dude, you got to hit a mental switch. He was three pounds over doing this. I said, you got to hit a mental switch now and start moving. You can't be sitting in the sauna. You can't be moping around it here. Like if you want to lose this weight, you got to do it. And then, so that was a push to get him to lose that last three pounds. And he got down to a little bit over a half and it was like, nothing was coming off. He can no spit coming out. It was just crazy. That is so scary, man. It's so scary that you're basically bringing yourself on the door of death and then you

48:27got to have a cage fight 24 out, you know, 27 hours later. See, I feel like, I feel like it's not, it's not that bad for me. I cut 21 pounds from where I'm like heavy, like super heavy. But when I'm in your leanest prime, when you're in shape, when I'm, when I'm, when I'm, when I'm trying to watch my weight and keep my weight within, within like a striking range, I'm about 151, 152, 153 maybe. And then back down to like 48 to 53, you know? So that's what? So at 48, at the lowest, you're 13 off. Yeah. 13 off. And then from there, there's the cut. And I, and I'm like real smart about sodium intake and, and things like that. I'll have like, I won't drink water. Like a lot of guys do this whole water flush thing. I don't do the water flush. Why is that? I do because a pound of water weighs the same amount of, as a pound of Gatorade or, or coconut water or a kombucha or something like that.

49:21And you're getting stuff out of that. So if I'm going to drink a pound of fluid, I'm going to have something positive come out of that, some energy and something that, that gives my body, you know, something to work with, you know? That's very interesting. So you don't drink a lot of water. You drink water and all this other stuff as well. I drink, yeah, I drink fluids with purpose and that helps me get the most out of, have a little bit of energy. I feel good when I'm, when I'm cutting weight all the way into like the, the day of the, the actual weigh in. And then it's like, okay, the last four pounds really sucks, but it's like it comes off and then I feel fine right afterwards as soon as I get something back into me. But it's really knowing how to manipulate your body. Do you use the same principles? I mean, is there something going on with this, uh, the, where guys drink a massive amount

50:07of water up until, you know, is it, is, is it the same principle that you use just with kombucha and coconut water and all that stuff? You drink massive amount of fluids? I wouldn't say that. So, so it's like this, you can get dehydrated from either having too much sodium or not enough sodium. Right. So if you have not enough sodium, you get dehydrated. As much fluid as you have, your body's not going to retain any yet. It's like the osmosis where, you know, water will filtrate and go to your body, wherever the sodium and electrolytes and whatever it needs to fill in. If you don't have any of that, there's nothing drawn in the water in your body. It'll just go straight through you. So I kind of go with that. Like I'll cut down on sodium quite a bit, but I'll have like sugars. I'll have like, uh, like some sort of trail mix that I make myself with like black licorice, uh, ginger snaps.

50:50I'll have, uh, like a bunch of like whole nuts and stuff like that, carob chips. So there's like sugar in there, but there's also like some protein and some fiber. And then I'll have coconut water and coconut meat from the inside of a baby coconuts. And then I'll have like a little piece of fish or, um, like smoked salmon, something to get a little bit of sodium in you. And then, and then, uh, you know, whatever I drink fluid wise, it's like, uh, kombucha is good for your digestive tract. It's good. Like helps you break food down and keeps things probiotic. Yeah. Probiotic. Same with yogurt. So I'll have like that kind of stuff. And then egg whites and egg whites, make sure your body doesn't break down muscle and you're getting all the rest of stuff to run everything through you. And it's kind of like your body's not taking up any of the fluids that you're putting in.

51:38It's just taking what it needs and then you're going to go lose it again. And then you can either go up or down from there. Is that your standard diet when you get down to like a certain point in weight cutting? Yeah. This is, this is all you eat. Yeah, pretty much. And I'll mix it up. You know, it, my diet doesn't vary, very, very a ton from when I am and am not cutting weight. I just like eat more or less and then like consider the sodium thing quite a bit, which is like a trip. That's gotta be a weird fucking dance, isn't it? Yeah, it is. But you, when you know your body, I mean, I've done this since, uh, I mean, I remember cutting weight in the eighth grade, didn't know what the heck I was doing. And then I didn't cut weight my freshman or sophomore year and then, uh, junior and senior year and then all through college.

52:25Is there a way to cut it out of, of the sport or is it just a part of sport forever? You could have, you could have like a two hour weigh in, but. But dudes would still try, right? What would happen? And this is what happened in college with me is you start out doing a real strict diet and cutting weight. And then you've got a season where it's, it's like, uh, six months out of the year where you're cutting this weight. And what happens is you just start losing muscle and you downsize your, your body anyways. So this is better because athletes are doing it two, two, three, maybe four times a year. And you can just train just specifically for that fight. And then you get to maintain your muscle and your muscle mass and things like that. Cause you can bring it right back. But what happens in a long season or like if people need to downsize and compete within

53:12a two hour period, they'll just downsize their muscle. So it'd be like the same thing. So dudes would still lose weight anyway. They'd lose weight, but it'd be over a more dramatic time. Um, and I mean, they're starting to do that with jujitsu tournaments. Yeah, they are. They're trying to get people to weigh in right before they compete. The Mundial's I think does that, right? Yeah. They weigh in right before. But that's not head trauma. The thing about striking that makes it dangerous is a head trauma. Yeah. Using fluid in the brain. Yeah. That's a, none of the deaths that have occurred in boxing have occurred, uh, in the heavyweight division. They've all, uh, occurred in lighter weight divisions. Really? Yeah. And the idea is that those guys are all cutting weight. And when they, uh, the guys that are getting hurt, like Gerald McClellan, who's a famous weight cutter, used to cut a lot of weight. Right.

53:57You know, that, that, that plays a part. That's not the only factor, but it, uh, that it plays a part. I, I actually went to a speech that a doctor in Sacramento gave about that. And he, he had me as a guest to listen and everything. And, and it makes sense. Yeah. I mean, your body is held in place by a bunch of your brain is held in place by a bunch of fluid. Yeah. And if you're losing a big percentage of your fluid from your body, some of it's probably coming from your head. Do you, uh, replenish with IVs? Uh, I do. Yeah. You have to, right? You do about a bag and a half. That's what's happened the first time I made 35s. Uh, I, I did too much of the IV and like almost two bags. It was too much. Now I do like a bag and like a quarter. So what a crazy process, man. It's fun. It's a, it's a totally different thing you have to concentrate on while you're concentrating

54:44on a professional cage fight against a trained killer. Dude, it's nuts. But you know what? It's, it's to stay competitive. And it's funny. Cause when I got into fighting, I, they, I told the guys I was training with, I said, I want to go, I want to fight one 35s. And they're like, we don't have one 35. And I was like, well, what about one 45s? Like I wouldn't have one 45s, but it really turned out to be something good for me. You know, I, because I was competing when I was healthy. I just felt like fighting. I couldn't imagine going through a season like wrestling and wanting to get in a fight when I was 133 pounds. You know, you do not feel like fighting anybody. You feel like, like, all right, go ahead. Take my girlfriend and my money. You know, I'm going to sit over here and think about food. It's a horrible thing.

55:33And during, uh, adolescence too, that kids go through and wrestling is the fucking, they're starving themselves while they're growing. See, I didn't start wrestling till the eighth grade. And then after that, I didn't even know that I was supposed to be cutting weight as a freshman and sophomore because our team sucked. And, and it was like, I was the best guy on the team anyways. And so it was like, just go wherever I wanted, you know, it's pretty funny. When did you decide that you were going to make a transition to MMA? I decided they actually did a, they did an interview with me after my senior year in college. And they asked me, um, what was next for me? And I've never been a guy that has planned much, you know, I'm just kind of like just gone with the flow, whatever I felt like doing, doing. But I remember saying, I think I'm going to try out mixed martial arts.

56:21And there's actually an article in the newspaper, like the, the college newspaper where I said, I think I'm going to try this, this mixed martial arts thing out, you know, and, uh, it, it was illegal in California. And I, I started coaching at UC Davis. I was getting paid like $7,000 a year as a full-time job. Wow. I was busing tables at a $7,000 a year. I thought it was a lot of money. I mean, I knew it wasn't a lot of money, but it was more money than I was used to, you know, and I didn't feel like I was working. And I started a little business called top line coaching and I went and got some, uh, uh, like a little elementary school group of kids that I started training. And then I had, uh, uh, some camps that I, that I put onto the college that I, that my coach let me put them under my business name. And so I actually was working like 16, 17 hour days.

57:15In addition to training, I was doing my full-time gig at UC Davis and I was coaching kids afterwards. And then I would go home and I would bus tables at this little bar called Inc. And my, my rent was like 220 bucks a month living there. Wow. And, uh, yeah, it was crazy, man. And I, and I started fighting at that time. I had my emergency teaching credential. I was going to start teaching some, you know, be a substitute teacher a little bit, but I took a fight, made 450 bucks or 500 bucks, 200 to show 200 to win a hundred bucks for selling tickets. And I was like, make that in like a week, you know, that was like my monthly salary was, was that side. That's, that's when I hit the switch. Wow. Yeah. It was crazy. Holy shit. And what year was this? 2003. You were how old? I was 23. Wow. So you had like, it was, it was like, it was more of a financial thing that, that sent you into it.

58:10Well, I could have got a job, you know, I just graduated from a major university and I could have actually got a job. It wasn't a financial thing. It was like a not worrying about financial thing. Oh, I see. You know? And it was like, dude, this was awesome. I, it was like my first fight minute and a half. I made, you know, almost 500 bucks. I didn't tell my mom about it. I didn't tell her about it. She found out. Like I said, I told her like two weeks later, I said, I had the little tape and I go, mom, I got something to show you. And I, and I sat her down. I put the tape in and she's like, what the heck? And she's, I'm 23 at this point. I've lived out of the house since I was 18, you know, my own. And she's like, please tell me you're not going to do this again. And I'm like, you know, kind of smirking. And, and she's like, you're right. I will pay you not to do this again.

58:57And she's, I said, I said, it's going to be 500 bucks. Per minute and a half. That's what you're going to need to pay me. Now, did you have a lot of striking training in that, at that point? Was it all just wrestling? No, but I thought I was bad ass, which is important. You got to see, if you look up my, uh, my second fight, my first fight, I tried to hold it together. I came out Southpaw and I started firing straight punches. The guy came to take me down and my, and it ended so fast. I was like amped up for like an hour afterwards. Like, ah, I wish it would have lasted longer. I wish it had done this. I wish it would have done that. And, uh, so I said, next fight, I'm just going to strike. And I had this guy, uh, who was like, had been training quite a bit and knew what he was doing, but was just not a tough guy.

59:45Like, I mean, if you look at him and you look at me, you know, not to judge books by the cover, you knew I was going to win, you know? Right. And so I just kept it standing for seven minutes. I beat the crap out of this guy. It's, it's horrible. And, uh, it's like cat and mouse, like punching them, trying to help them up. Like rearing back like this and running at them with a, like a, like a fist and throwing haymakers. It was crazy. And you, you, people are going nuts. Striking training, how much striking training had you had by then? Like about my first fight, about a month. A month. But not real training, just like knowing I was going to throw punches and like working on myself. And then, uh. You just worked with yourself? I mean, just like, I, I was, I mean, I've been in fights before. Right. I knew I could hit hard. I have like a heavy right hand. And I'd, I've been a huge boxing fan my whole life.

60:35So I know what it looked like. Right. And I was a coordinated guy, you know? So, uh, I just thought no one would be able to beat me up. I'm like, there's no way. Really? Anybody's going to beat me up. Wow. That's pretty fucking confident, man. What was it like when you had your first loss? Uh, it didn't hurt, but it was a little disorienting. I went in and, uh, it was against Tyson Griffin. We were fighting in a parking lot of a casino up in Northern California. And it was like, uh, it was like hot out. And, um, I went in there and the first round, I do like a, uh, a Superman punch. And then I need him in the face and I hit an inside trip. And I brought my head to the outside and the King of the Gladiator Challenge guys were having trouble with the cage and they were lazy. And so they took the black covering, but they didn't put the padding over the steel on the bottom of the cage.

61:31So I did a head dive as I was taking, uh, Tyson Griffin down and just slammed into the cage. Oh my God. And my head just started gushing blood. I ended up getting seven staples after the fight. It was eight seconds into the fight. So eight seconds into the fight, I'm just, blood's gushing down my face. I've got him in a guillotine and I'm shaking my head like this. And I'm telling Herb, Herb's, uh, ref and I'm like, Herb, my, I'm, I'm busted open or I'm bleeding or something like that. So he breaks us in a, in a guillotine position and I was all out of shape. I mean, I was all discombobulated and Ted Williams comes in and I, I had sold like 300 tickets. This is how I was making money at this time was selling tickets. I'd sold like 300 tickets to get here.

62:12It was eight seconds into the fight and the, the doctor comes in who ended up being a vet and Ted Williams comes in and he, the doctor's looking at me and Ted goes, is he okay? And, uh, and he said, are you okay? The doctor said, I said, I'm not sure you tell me, you know? And, uh, and then Ted said, he's fine. He's fine. He's fine. And they just started the fight again. Then I don't remember anything. I was just going crazy. It was like a wild. It was like, uh, Herb says it's one of the best fights that guys have never seen. It was just like a knockdown drag out back and forth. And I, my jujitsu instructor at the time, Cassio didn't, didn't make it to the fight. I just had my striking coach at that time, Dave Marinoble. And I didn't know what was going on. It was like a close fight. The first and the second rounds, uh, you know, it was probably one-on-one for rounds.

63:03And my, my coach is like, you got to knock them out. I don't have any knockout, like any serious knockouts at this point. So I go in at the beginning of the third round and just do like a jumping right hand. And he throws like a straight right, right on the button and drops me. And I didn't go out, but, uh, I was like, like getting pounded on and the ref called it. You were probably so fucked up from the first shot. It's amazing. You were able to fight three rounds. That's what Tyson and I had. You hit a bar of metal. Yeah. I, I, Tyson and I had, had like a little beef after that for a while. It was just kind of like, because he felt like I was making excuses. I'm like, I didn't make it. Cause I was telling the story. Right. Yeah. I got seven staples in my head after the fight and this and that. I was like fighting like a wild animal.

63:48And he's like his guys from his hometown were saying I was making excuses. I'm like, I understand I lost the fight. I'm just telling what really happened. Not saying I was like, had a fever or anything. I really hit my head and he was huge. You know, he's got about 40 pounds on me. Jesus Christ. Yeah. It's the wild west man of MMA. Yeah. That was, those are the days, man. Those King in the cage events were pretty fucking nuts, man. Yeah. Indian casino parking lots. They would do it if it rained. Did you ever see wet and wild? Yes. What the fuck is that? Dude, that was them just not wanting to give money back to people and just letting go. Yeah. They had cage fights in a casino in the pouring rain. I mean, and it was a plastic cover. So you would go out, guys would go out and try to throw kicks and just fly through the air and lay it on their heads. Nuts. It's so crazy. A lot of people didn't fight.

64:37They said, fuck this. I'm going home. That would have been smart. I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have gone home, but I would have wished I would have. Yeah. Yeah. You do some stupid, stupid shit when you're hungry. Like probably for anything, you know? Just hungry for success. Yeah. And you're like willing to do anything for it. I mean, you see that in these levels. It's just nuts. Yeah. That shit, that's fucked up. I mean, that's one of the reasons why you need regulatory bodies. You need someone to come and go, no, asshole. You're not going to have a fucking outdoor fight in the rain. What are you going to do if lightning comes in? Is that part of the battle? Yeah. No kidding. At least if they're in the rain, they should be able to fight in mud. Yeah. You know? You know? Or something. It's just, it's too, too animalistic. You know, we talked about elbows to the back of the head.

65:24Do you like the rules the way they are now? Like, do you think that everything's good? Or do you think that we should have like knees to a downed opponent? Or is that anything you would like to add? I think you should be able to do knees to a downed opponent and even kick a guy while he's down. Because, I mean, this is a fight. Right. The thing that's so intriguing about our sport is that this is what would really happen if you mess with someone and they know what they're doing. Yeah. This is what you're going to have to deal with. And it is still that. Right. But, you know, it's just, it's like one of those things where you got to look out for people's safety, but you don't want people abusing the rules, like putting their knee down all of a sudden. Yeah. And then like putting their hand down. It's like if you're in a bad position, you should be able to have to react.

66:08The only argument I've heard that's against stomps and soccer kicks on the ground is the cage. They're like if you're going to have stomps and soccer kicks on the ground, you should have ropes so you could slide in the ropes to avoid it. You shouldn't have a spot where they can shove your head up against it and soccer kick you in the head. Right. Because it's not natural. You should be able to move around. You shouldn't be able to use the cage as an actual weapon. Yeah. Which there's an argument in that, that at least in pride, they could see the kick come and they could move. They could move. Right. Like if you're running into a wall, you can't move. You're just going to get soccer kicked in the head. You know, you could say, well, you should never let yourself get into that position. But it seems almost like you're using the cage in a way that probably isn't that safe. Yeah, I could see that.

66:50But in reality, and I always go back to, and that's why I always get on Dominic, because this is really like the gladiator days where it's like a simulated fight to the death. Dominic Cruz, for folks who don't know, was your last time you guys fought. It was a very close decision. A lot of people thought you could have won. A lot of people thought he could have won. A very, very close fight. And you guys were set to fight in the rematch, but Dominic recently blew out his knee. So now you're going to be fighting Hennon Baral. Right. But yeah, you criticize Dominic's style. That's like point fighting, right? I mean, you can't really criticize him too much other than the fact that it's not – I feel like he could have potential to finish some guys. But he doesn't go for that. And this is really a simulated fight. I mean, this is a fight to the death. And Diaz says the same thing.

67:39It's like if we were in a fight to the death, you know, who would win? Right. You know, and on that level, like I like to see guys try to finish all the time. Right. You know, not like play by the rules and this and that, you know, like tag somebody and it looks like you're hurting them. And I feel like Dominic has potential to do some damage. He just doesn't know how or doesn't try, you know, to finish. It's a mentality thing. Now, this style of fighting where you just go by and get points but still win, I mean, it can be effective for guys. Yeah, it definitely is. And is it all for – I mean, how do you make a distinction? Like when do you decide whether it's about – it's all about being as entertaining as possible or it's all about winning? Like it seems to me that there's like – I just don't feel like that's winning. Ah. So to you it's not honorable to try to like just point your way through it.

68:36You're trying to – I would say Dominic, for example, is not – it's not dishonorable. I mean, he's trying to do damage and maybe he just doesn't have it in him. I don't know. But the – He makes fun of the size of his hands, you know. He makes fun of – we did an interview and he said, I have bitch hands, you know, because he broke his hand. Yeah. That's something. There's nothing you can do about that, right? Yeah. I mean – There's nothing you can do about that. But I mean I'm not taking anything away but I would say, you know, the purpose of this sport is like to finish and do damage. Right. You can't really knock a guy who's really great at what he does, you know, and he is trying. I mean I guess if you get a guy that crumbles, he would probably finish him, you know. But I like to go in with a mentality of let's do war. That's – Burrell is going to try to finish me.

69:27I'm going to try to finish Burrell, you know, and it's going to be to the bitter end, you know. It's not going to be like pitter-patting and stuff like that. That's going to be a sick fight. Yeah. That's going to be a sick fight. Dude, I was looking at it and it's crazy. It's like he has – I think he has more fights than I do. He's got 13 KO TKOs. He's got six submissions and he's got like nine decisions. And I've got 14 submissions, seven TKO KOs and like four decisions. Do you prefer this fight? I mean if you had a choice between this fight and the fight with Dominic Cruz? I want the fight that fans want to see. And I think people afterwards are going to prefer this fight but beforehand will prefer the Dominic Cruz fight. So I want to give people what they want to see. And, you know, Dominic and I have a history that we need to solve and stuff like that.

70:19I mean I was really looking forward to fighting him. But as far as an exciting fight goes, this is going to be a crazy fight. It's a funny thing, this Dominic thing, because I've never seen you be upset by an opponent. I've never seen you trash talk an opponent. You know, you're usually a pretty easygoing guy and when I've talked to you about your opponent, you're pretty analytical about their skill set. But there's something about Dominic Cruz that gets under your skin. Yeah. What is it? Dude, I don't know if you know the history of us. I know you won the first fight. We caught him in a guillotine. But the first time I met him was after he was just being an immature little punk. And just, I mean, I'm like, you know, open to be cool with whoever. I never met the guy. I don't know him from Adam. And he kind of chose me as an enemy. And in the real world, that guy's in my town.

71:09We're going to do some sort of battle. Or he's not going to do that. And we did. And it still didn't go away. It's like the guy's got a chip on his shoulder. I really believe he's jealous of me for some shape or form. And I've sat there and talked to him before. And he's complained about stuff. And he's gotten a lot better because I think his situation's gotten a lot better. He's getting more notoriety and more money and things like that. But I think he's jealous. You know? And it gets on my nerves. Like, dude, you've got plenty of great stuff going on in your life. And he's got to choose me as the person he's going to be negative about. Is it that? Or is it just that that's how he gets himself fired up to compete against someone in his division? You don't care? I mean, I don't care what his reason is to be a dickhead to me. Right. You don't be a dickhead to me. Period. Period. How was he being a dickhead?

72:00Like, what did he do? Well, okay. So the first time we fought, we signed those posters. You know that story where you sign. Everybody takes home, you know, your certain amount of posters that you put up in your gym and stuff like that. They give some to charity, important people. And he was pissed his face wasn't on the poster. There was four title fights that night. And so they put all the champions on there. And so he starts signing his name over my face of the posters that everybody takes home. And so, like, that started. And then after the fight, I beat him. And then I've got friends in San Diego. I was, you know, helping promote a fight in San Diego. And all I hear is Dominic's running his mouth and, like, talking crap about me. I haven't even thought about the guy, you know. And he's got my poster up in his gym. And he's, you know, defacing it and just, like, talking trash.

72:51And I'm like, what is this guy's problem? Like, obsessing. Like, he's got a fucking hard-on for me or something, you know. Like, dude, I could give two shits about this guy. But you fought him again. And then I fought him again. And I felt like I did more damage in that fight. And, you know, the events prior to that fight kind of set things to rest with us because we were forced to spend time together in this whole Camp Pendleton thing where we did this crucible. And, like, they were, like, tugging at our heartstrings about the military. And, like, they put us through this crazy workout. And, like, you know, that's when I actually got to know him a little bit better and realized, like, all right, the guy's coming from a place where he feels like he's been misrepresented. He feels like he's underpaid. He's mismanaged. He's this and that. And we actually had some good talks and kind of put the beef aside.

73:43But I feel like there's still a little jealousy there. You know what I mean? You had some good talks and you still like to fuck him up. Oh, yeah. And vice versa, you know. That's really interesting. That must be a very strange thing to be spending so much time with a dude you're about to go to war with. Dude, it was weird. And you know what happened? It, like, slipped through the cracks. It was, like, new PR people and the Marines setting up this thing that was going to be a, like, a partnership with the UFC and this and that. And no one really understood the fact that he and I were fighting in a month and a half. And they're going to have us working as a team together, like, going through this crazy crucible. We did a third of the crucible, which is, like, the initiation ceremony where they put these guys through hell for 50 hours and no sleep and all this stuff.

74:35Phil Davis, Rich Franklin, Dominic, and myself had to go. They're like, okay, we're going to shoot these guns. We're meeting these Marines, whatever. The next thing you know, they're like, we're going to do this obstacle course, which is a small little obstacle course. We go to meet the drill sergeants, and they're like, you know, they were not cracking a smile and this and that. They have us start doing this, like, short but intense, whatever it's called, obstacle course. Then they throw backpacks on us, and we start our day marching where they're yelling at us and all this stuff. Then it goes to the next thing, the next thing you know, it's, like, 10 o'clock at night. We've been there for, like, nine hours just getting, like, punked by these Marines and, like, crawling through dirt, carrying fucking ammunition stuff. Like, Dominic hurt his – he ran and hurt his knee tripping over barbed wire.

75:27Jesus Christ. His feet were all jacked up. He had, like – his shoes didn't fit, so he had, like, huge blisters on his feet. And I ended up hurting myself a little bit. I had a broken hand at the time. I didn't know I was going to be doing this stuff. I had a broken hand that was, like, a week and a half old, just a little fracture. And I did – I climbed the top of the rope. I did the pull-ups. I did all this stuff because I didn't want to tell my opponent that I had a broken hand. Oh, my God. So it was, like, man, it was crazy. That's ridiculous. It was crazy. What a terrible idea. Who the fuck put that together? It slipped through the cracks. All new workers at UFC. Wow. And I agreed to it. By the time I got in the middle of it and everybody got in the middle of it, it was, like, the Marines, they're, like, preaching about America. I kind of was, like, dude. You know, it was, like – What were they saying?

76:12Just, like, Phil was laughing. And the guy is, like, Phil, you will stop laughing right now. You will – blah, blah, blah. And, like, so he's trying not to laugh. And the other guy says – the other drill sergeant says, Phil, when he says stop laughing, he means hide your teeth. And then I start fucking laughing. I'm, like, busting up laughing. And then so they're, like, is that funny, Mr. Faber? You think there's something funny about Americans dying in war? And I'm, like, all right. This is, like, okay. This is right at the beginning. Wow. We're getting, like, introduced this whole thing. That's a moronic sentence. Dude, we had to do – yeah. We had to do something where we, like, we're doing these problem-solving things. We had to, like, communicate. Like, one guy was the leader.

76:57And we had to, like, get these, like, big buckets past the ropes and follow these rules and, like, problem-solve and, like, communicate as a team. So, like, by the end of the thing, it was, like, we were cool. And then, you know, we're, like – he was asking me advice about stuff and – Really? Yeah, vice versa. And then – What kind of advice do you give him? You give him some shitty advice? Well, he was just – I was – he was complaining about his mismanagement. And all this kind of stuff. Oh. And I was, like, dude, just – I went through the same stuff. He's, like, I've been fighting just as long as you. I was there. I met you when you fought Charlie Valencia for the title. You remember meeting – I didn't remember meeting him or whatever. And it was, like – he's, like, I had this and I had that and just feeling sorry for himself. I'm, like, dude, stop feeling sorry for yourself. Do this.

77:40And he's, like, well, am I on the right track? And I'm, like, yeah, you're on the right track, dude. Just chill. And that was it. And then we went our separate ways. And it's back to being enemies. What a strange thing that must have been. Preparing for a title fight with a guy. Going through this stupid obstacle course. It's like a bonding experience that you didn't want to have. And some guy yelling at you, do you think it's funny when Americans are dying at war? Shut the fuck up. And every time – I think you're funny right now. This is funny. This is funny. We're not preparing soldiers, stupid. What are you trying to give you the authentic experience? It must have been – It was intense, bro. So – It was intense. Did they crack a smile after it was over? Yeah. We all went out and had a good dinner and stuff like that. And that was the last Dominic I hung out on good terms. Wow. Been enemies ever since.

78:34So this is before the rematch. This is before the rematch. And how many times did you drop him in that fight? I – times where I hit him on the chin and he dropped three times. Three times. Yeah. It should be – you know, it's – she should be factored in, right? And he never dropped me with anything. I had long hair. Next time I fight him, I'm not going to have my hair loose because every time – you know, in sparring, there's all times where guys graze you. You slip and you move and stuff like that. But your hair goes far. And your hair shakes. Yeah. It looks like a real shot. And these judges – I mean, these judges, I don't even want to get started on that. Don't even get started because I'll go crazy too. Unbelievable. Go get started. Does it drive you nuts? Oh, my gosh. It's a disrespect, right? It's a total disrespect. I'm not going to start on it because I see all these judges all the time.

79:15And I don't want them to be biased against me. But, like, you've got to see some of these judges that you know have never wrestled, never done judo, never done jiu-jitsu, never done karate, never done boxing. And it's like, why was my life in your hands? And why? Because the athletic commission doesn't want to change what they feel like they've already set in place. Because they would have to admit they fucked up. Yeah. They won't do it. They would have to admit that these people are – yeah, they won't do it. I mean, it's mind-boggling. It's just a 50-50 chance. They should have to review fights and have to explain. I mean, it's a big goddamn deal. Yeah. You train for, you know, eight weeks plus for a fight. After every fight, they should not have to only judge but explain what was going on, explain why you thought that this was better than that.

80:06I've been so tempted to grab one of these judges that I know doesn't know anything and ask them – On camera. Ask them a full interview of, like, what is an omoplata? What makes it work? What makes it not work? What is this? Is this a dangerous position? When does it become dangerous? When is it not? And just, like, see where they're at. Dude, I don't want to say any names but one of the guys who's a judge has told me that a woman judge asked him, what is this guy doing? The guy was attempting a kimura. She's like, what is he doing? She had to ask what a guy's doing. And on top of that, she doesn't know what it felt like, whether it's going to hurt the guy or whether it's just – Well, yeah, like, you know, when someone has – they got an Americana and it's all up here and you're like, you think he's going to be okay. He's just kind of twisting his arm. And then the guy pulls it to the body.

80:54You've got to know that that's better. That once you get it to the body, that's like a near submission. There's so many guys out there that could really use those jobs that really know what they're doing. Oh, yeah, so many. Like a Charlie Valencia, for example, my good buddy who's an accomplished fighter, been fighting for years, knows the sport inside and out. He's a veteran. Yeah, if it was a lucrative job. Yeah, it should be too. What a great judge he would be. Yeah, absolutely. Knows everything. Knows what it feels like to get punched. Knows whether you get hit on the top of the head or if you get hit on the chin. Well, Ricardo Almeida is doing that now. That's great. That's what they need to do is employ fighters. I agree with you 100%. It's just there's people that – they might be able to never have boxed and judged boxing. But you have to study boxing and you have to talk to experts and stuff.

81:39But I don't think it's possible for you to know what the fuck is happening in a cage fight unless you have some martial arts experience. Right. And a lot of – A lot of grappling. Mixed martial arts. Mixed martial arts. A lot of grappling. What does that say? It's five. I can't read that shit. Brian's holding up his sign. It looks like fucking hieroglyphs. Joe, do you ever watch the King of the Cage and Gladiator Challenge stuff now or is it just – it's not even – I do sometimes. It's not what it used to be. It's not what it used to be. Because back when I was in Gladiator Challenge and King of the Cage, that was the only other show in town. Right? It was like the UFC and then them and then whatever is in Japan. I still watch small fights though. I still watch – HDNet has a lot of small organizations that come on. They have – you know, you get to see like Rich Clemente.

82:21I just saw him fight and I just saw Dave Branch and Anthony Johnson. There's a fucking dude who's got a weight cutting issue. Wow. I've never seen anybody. You go up a weight class and then keep missing weight. And you keep missing it. This guy, Anthony Rumble Johnson, this incredibly talented guy, weighs about 230-ish before he begins his cut down to 170. It's incredible. Crazy, man. He's huge. I saw him walk through the hallway once in a hotel. We were all – I think it was in Denver. He was so goddamn big. He wasn't fighting. Yeah. I couldn't believe how big he was. I was like that dude is like a heavyweight. It's amazing that he can make 170. It's crazy. Well, the reason I ask is I remember because it's cool that you do watch those fights because I remember before I was in the WC or the UFC,

83:10I remember you saying something and recognizing me and like being like, hey, I've seen your fight and this and that, which I thought was the coolest thing in the world because, you know, it was like, man, these guys are watching, you know. And it was funny because I was at a UFC in Sacramento and I had a fake pass made from my buddy Vinny the Hook who had a fake pass all the time. It was the best thing ever. It was in SAC and I had gotten in with the pass and then I just beeline straight through, act like I own the place. And I'm in on the inner circle with Dana, right, with Dana, Lorenzo and all you guys. And Dana is like, hey, you having a good time, kid? I'm like, yeah, I'm having a good time, you know. Just chilling on the inner little circle with my fake pass. Oh, that's awesome. Dude, it was awesome.

83:51And then like because I was just at a point where I was making a name of myself in the smaller shows that, you know, it made a little bit of sense that I was there, you know what I mean? Right. So people didn't really question it too much. Like you had watched a couple when I was on little pay-per-views and stuff. But, yeah, that was the first time I think. Yeah, I'd seen you in the King of the Cage. I saw you. I think I saw you live once and I saw you on TV. Yeah. And that was back when my friend Bud owned a piece of the King of the Cage. So you guys had tapes laying around. So I saw most of them. Eddie was doing commentary back then too. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. That's funny though. Dana was like, yeah, no idea. I was just walking around in there like I own a joint. Dana's like, you having a good time, kid? I'm like, yes. Yeah. Well, baby, you were right. You did belong there. Look, now here we are.

84:40That's right. Promoting a fucking huge fight. I felt like I belonged there. Of course you did. Absolutely. Absolutely. Now, what is the date of your fight with Burrell? It's July 7th. July 7th. Yeah. It's the same card as Anderson Silva, Chelsea, Son of Rematch. Yeah. That's going to be a crazy card. Yeah, it's going to be. They've been moved to our card, which is awesome. Yeah. It's going to make it one of the biggest cards in UFC history. That's going to be a huge card, man. Huge card. Those are two monster fights right there. How did the John Jones, Rashad Evans fight do? Did it do pretty good on pay-per-view? I think it did really well. I think they were surprised at how well it did. I think it exceeded expectations. I think John Jones is obviously on his way to becoming a huge superstar. Right. That's a rare gem of a talent right there, isn't it? Yeah. Incredible.

85:24You see a guy who's been training for four years in MMA, and he's choking Lyoto Machida unconscious. Right. It's like, God damn. Yeah. Yeah. But you know, his wrestling pedigree was really good. Yeah. Absolutely. He was supposed to go on a scholarship to Iowa. Yeah. And, you know, because he started his family instead. Mm-hmm. And, but he could have been a great wrestler, collegiate wrestler at a high level also. No doubt. No doubt. But what's impressing me is how God damn good his striking is and how good it got, how quick it got good. He's an athlete, man. I mean, it was great. It was great when he fought Stefan Bonner and he fought Goosemile. He was, you know, his striking looked good. But, but it's become insane. You know, he outstrikes Shogun. You know, outstrikes Rampage and, you know, makes it look easy. And that height and reach is so hard to fuck with, man. Yeah. It's crazy, man.

86:12Have you talked to him since his situation? He's, he's got a DUI and for those who don't know, crashed into a pole apparently. Yeah. He's, he, uh, he's been hard to get a hold of. Like, you know, he's, his, uh, he's like changes his number all the time and stuff like that. I haven't really talked to him in a long time. Not since I've seen him in person, but yeah, it's suck. I mean, he's a young guy. I, I, I, I did an interview and they read me this thing that he said like a week before and, uh, Oh, he would never get a DUI. Yeah. Yeah. Which is crazy. It makes me seem, it almost makes me feel like he did it on purpose just to like, like add to the story. It's like, why would you be like, dude, I won't, I'm so happy to do this because I will never get a DUI. And then like a week later, get a DUI. That's crazy. I'm like, what? I think it's pressure, man.

87:02I think, uh, especially if you're, you know, you're a young guy and you don't, you know, he's incredibly talented and the success must be overwhelming to a few years ago gone from having to be a bouncer to take care of your, your girlfriend and your new baby, you know, and you're really worried about your future. So you decided to start fighting from that just a few years ago to drive in a Bentley top of the fucking world. Everybody wants to shake your hand. Yeah. The world is stepping forward to John Jones to shake his hand. Yeah. You see him, he's got a glow around him and aura. That's hard to manage, man. Yeah. It's hard to manage. You probably feel, you know, invincible. Is it, was it hard for you? You know, it's, it's not hard for me because I surround myself with the same people. Like, you know, my dad lives right next door to me and all my buddies.

87:46I mean, I like my team of guys, we started together, you know, Joseph was mopping the mats at our, at our gym and an amateur when he started and Chad Mendes, I recruited out of college and TJ recruit out of college. Me and Danny Castillo were high school buddies and I have the same people around me. And you guys all have, you have like a couple of houses and you all live close to each other too. Yeah. Over, over time it's starting to change now because guys are getting older and getting more money and getting married and getting all sorts of stuff. But we've had like a little commune that was, that was really cool. We call it the block and, and it's a tight knit group. You know, we have our, we have a charity golf tournament. We're having a charity golf tournament. It's the second annual we have. We have, uh, that's a week after my fight.

88:28We have a end of the year banquet where we give out awards and like give speeches to everybody, to guys and like favorites and everybody gets dressed up. We have a big dinner. And so it's a whole gym. Everybody who trains there. Is that what it is? It's the whole team. And then whoever wants to buy a dinner to come and be a part of it. And, and, uh, we acknowledge everybody who does their, their, their little parts. And, and we have like houseboat trips. I mean, it's like a real tight knit crew. So, I mean, it's hard also when you've got a guy like, like TJ Dillashaw, for example, who just started training like two and a half years ago and I have a bad day and he's kicking the crap out of me. You know, it's like hard to get on a high horse, you know? Right. Right. It's like, how did you start this whole commune thing? How did you, this, the block, how did you, uh, I thought it's, I saw it once in one of

89:12the countdown shows and I was like, that is fucking cool. Yeah. What a smart thing. Like surround yourself with a bunch of cool guys who you train with. You all live together. Right. It was, it was basically, so I, I talked about when I first graduated college, I started a little business, top of the line coaching for kids. And my coach at the time, Lenny Zaleski allowed me to run a summer of summer camps for the, uh, for the college through my business. And that gave me like $40,000 that went in and out. I got to keep like 3000 of it or something like that. But then I, that established some, some credit and a history, work history. And, and I ended up buying my first house when I was making on paper $7,000 a year when anybody could buy a house. Holy shit. You know, but I was hustling. I mean, I was always able to make money and I filled it with all my buddies to help pay the rent.

90:02And, uh, then my buddy Tommy, who's back there, he works for me full time. We knew each other in high school and college. He was just graduating and, and was out of a job where he wanted to buy a house. House opened up next door. Him, my other buddy bought that one. And then I started doing better. I bought the house next door to that. My other buddy, uh, Sanchez, who started out as like my nemesis in college. Like we were enemies, like two and two my senior year. He's like, put me out of my senior year in college. Like only got to make me cry in competition. Cause it was like the end of my college career. He ends up coming and taking my spot at UC Davis and living with me, renting a room. Wow. And then he starts managing my gym. And then we bought another house right there together. I put the down payment. He makes the payments and he started a little business in there. This is all my book.

90:50You're going to love my book, by the way. It's, it's money. But, uh, so he starts the name of it for everybody. The, the business, the book of the books, laws of the ring, laws of the ring. Yeah. And it's all these, it's all these theories about community and personal credit and positive attitude. That's the, that's a motivational book. Really? Yeah. Awesome. So it's not just a, this is how I, you know, became successful. No, there it is right there. And, uh, so, so Sanchez starts this, starts this company in one of our garages, like maintaining bank owned property lawns. And next thing you know, he's the largest company in the U S right now for that. He's just caked out fat cat. He just becomes like a crazy lawnmower guy. He's like, he's mowing lawns from Hawaii to Iowa to Indiana. He, they do like 30, you know, 3000 or 35,000. Some stupid number. And, uh, wow. That's all on the block.

91:51And we've had all sorts of stuff that's come off the block. Chad Mendes lives on the back block. TJ Dillashaw. We've had like 30 guys. Korean zombie came and stayed out there. How many houses is it? It's four houses right next to each other. And then there's one house that's my college buddy. That's about a block and a half away. That's so bad ass to have so many people around you that you can count on all the time too. You know, crazy. Yeah. You train with, you know, um, you can count on them. Yeah. That's awesome. It's cost me some money over the years, like being the bank for these guys. Now, you know, guys, not always to pay rent and stuff like that. But I mean, it built something today that's super solid. I mean, our team now is one of the top in the world. And, uh, you know, it was all part of that carpool into the gym.

92:33And, you know, if you need to go, you have no food, go to one of the houses and take somebody else's, you know, I mean, it's, it's pretty cool. As long as everybody's actually contributing, right? And everybody has a place and a function and a part of it. Yeah. Now you, you have a gym, you have your own gym set up. What is, what is your gym called? It's ultimate fitness, ultimate fitness. Yeah. And regular people can go and train there as well. It's like you have classes and shit. Yeah. We have like, uh, we have, you know, quite a few, quite a few members, like 400 something members. And it's been around five years now. We've, we've, you know, grown it. It's, it's got a great reputation. It's pretty bad. Do you, are you the one who's managing everything? Like, do you make your own training schedule? Do you put everything together?

93:19Or do you have like an MMA coach who handles like when you're going to do Muay Thai, when you're going to wrestle, when you're going to combine them? Do you have someone who analyzes you? Do we have like a, we have a team schedule and then I have my individual coaches. Like I have a jujitsu coach. I have, uh, master tongs, my standup coach. And we have set times with our team where we have our team practices that are pretty structured. And then we have our individual stuff that we do outside of it. So I'll do, you know, the set practices, which are the, the pro practices three days a week in the morning. And then two days of sparring. And then we have two days of jujitsu. And then everything else is kind of miss and match. We have a wrestling class for guys that need to do more wrestling. But you don't have a person who sets it all up for you. You do it all for yourself? Yeah. Pretty much.

94:04You, um, you set your own strength and conditioning schedule or do you bring in a guy for that? I've got a guy. Well, I've got individual coaches for everything. I've got, uh, Russell Dunning's my strength and conditioning guy. He's my physical therapist. And how do you decide like when you go to him, when you do Muay Thai? How do you, do you do it by your body? Do you do it by what you know from your experience? I set a general schedule and then listen to my body outside of that. So if I feel like I need to do more or less, I'll do more or less. But, um, like I said, a general schedule that I know is always going to be there. And then if I need to take a day off, I'll just let someone know. Or if I need to do more, I'll just call someone up. And we all kind of do that same thing at the team. You know, it's like, uh, we have all these different things available and you can hit them all.

94:51That's what, that's what makes our team really unique is we're training all year round. If you don't have a fight and you're in town, like you just go to practice. You know, it's, that's what you do. Everybody trains. Nobody takes time off and gets fat and stupid. You can't, you can't anymore. Right. You can't. You can't. Everyone has to be improving too. Right. Yeah. You make your biggest gains like that. Isn't it incredible for you to watch when you started fighting to today and see the, how crazy the sport has become. I mean, I remember when I used to watch, you know, when I saw your fights in King of the Cage or back in that day, nobody knew what the fuck cage fighting was. No, it was crazy. I was like embarrassed. It wasn't like you could pick up chicks, at least the chicks I like, you couldn't pick up chicks by telling me you're a cage fighter. No, they would think you're a piece of shit.

95:33You're like a dog. You're a human dog. Keep that on the DL. Yeah. Yeah. They get to know you better. Now it's like chic. Yeah. You know, I saw this video with Charlize Theron and she was talking about how much she loves the UFC and I was like, how fucking nutty is that, man? I just saw that on a tweet. Did you tweet that? No, no, no. No, it's on the underground. It was, might have, well, a lot of people tweeted, I think, because the video was her on the Conan O'Brien show. You know, she was talking about how much she loves watching fighting. And you could see Conan, like, he's a little bit uncomfortable with it, you know? Because like when chicks start talking about like fucking savage men beating the fuck, a guy like Conan, like, oh, yeah. It's like, he doesn't even want to know dudes like that exist. Yeah. He certainly doesn't want them to be coming out of the mouth of one of the most beautiful

96:20women in the world when he's trying to impress her. Hey, that's mother nature though. It's a bitch. It goes back to the old instincts. The wounded antelope that's chased by the water hole. That's right. You can't live forever, bitch. It is what it is. That's funny. How did you come up with the name Alpha Male? Alpha Male, I was a human development major and I just was studying all this different stuff in school and I just liked what it represented. You know, I took cultural anthropology and physical anthropology and all these different development classes and stuff like that. Like, my whole study was just about people, you know? And things and how things happen, you know? And I remember learning about these birds. Like, there's this, like, certain type of bird where these three birds land and the two sidekicks, they all do this dance together and then the two sidekicks kick rocks and the

97:12middle one gets laid, you know? It's like this choreographed duck. And, like, these guys might have their opportunity at some time when it steps up and it's their turn. And then they talk about, like, these packs of wolves that work together as a team. And then there's, like, the big macho gorilla that, like, is spreading his seed and there's, like, the little sneak dick monkeys. Like, when the guy's not looking, he runs in and gets his hump in and, like, all this different crazy stuff. And, like, it was just interesting to me about how in humans there's just alpha males in every category. I mean, there's an alpha male ballerina. There's an alpha male frigging gay dude. There's an alpha male, you know, whatever. There's just, like, the top dog in every category. And it just kind of trips me out of how they are. But it takes, like, being smart, being good looking, being persuasive, being, you know,

98:00hardworking and being, you know, all these great things. And I figured, dude, that's the shit. It is honest in its approach. I mean, that is what everybody is trying to do. Whereas, you know, you can name it a bunch of different things. But, yeah, it is trying to be the alpha male. So, yeah, it's been the connotation. The word has sort of changed lately. It's gotten, it's become a tad douchey, the word alpha. Yeah. You know, it's like, you know, dude, that's so alpha. You know, like, people, like, rag on you from that. You never heard anybody say that? No. People say that online a lot, like, to rag on you for something. Yeah. Dude, that's so beta. You're a beta. You're being a beta. You know, alpha and beta is like, it's a very, I don't know. Right, Brian? It's kind of recent. I mean, I say that, obviously, because we have alpha brain. It opens itself up to criticism. That is what you're doing, man.

98:48You're alpha male and the motherfucking shit out of dudes. Yeah. And, I mean, it basically, that's what it comes down to. Like, it takes all that. So, it takes, like, intelligence, athleticism, hard work, dedication. And, like, you know, the guys that rise to the top in anything are, you know, made up of that same stuff. Whether it's, like, the top writer, the top journalist, the top anything. They are, but I think that one of the most difficult paths in the world is the one that you've found success in. I think you are in one of the most difficult businesses on the planet Earth. It's rough. If it's not physically, it's mentally taxing. It's financially taxing when you're getting going. And that's the crazy thing. Actually, I want to talk about that. I've got a new thing that Phil Davis and I are starting called MMA Draft. And we've been working on it for a long time.

99:30But it's basically going to create opportunities for these up-and-comers. It's like MMA Draft is going to take a guy like Phil Davis, who's a national champion, and start following his career when he's a kid. Give him opportunity to, like, shine as a kid and be like, these are the top MMA prospects. Start covering all these different amateur sides of jiu-jitsu, wrestling. I think we should even cover some soccer stuff in there. There's so many soccer athletes coming in there. Isn't it funny? Kicking, man. Just the dexterity with the legs and stuff like that. But we need to start finding, like, the next Tiger Woods and LeBron James and Michael Jordans of our sport and watch them grow up as kids so that when a guy like Phil or a guy like Chad Mendes, who's a national finalist, or Lance Palmer, who's a national finalist in wrestling,

100:21doesn't have to wash dishes and mow lawns for the first four or five fights before there's an opportunity there. Right, right. So we're developing this whole website where we're having criteria and we're having, like, profiles, and we're going to create some ourself and do our scouting and, like, cover events of kids from youth all the way through, you know, the international wrestling. That's awesome. With jiu-jitsu and kickboxing and amateur leagues. Dude, it's going to be crazy. We have a temporary sign up right now. You can check it out. And what is it? MMADraft.com. MMADraft.com. Yeah, but I've been working on it. It's going to be sweet. And one more time, your book is? Laws of the Ring. Laws of the Ring, and they can get that on Amazon.com. Amazon. I'm actually doing a signing tonight at Barnes & Noble's in Huntington Beach.

101:07You're leaving right now to go to that because you're going to have to get on the fucking terrible highway of 5 o'clock in Los Angeles. Yeah, that's rough, man. So Barnes & Noble, Huntington Beach, 7 o'clock. Yep. Go meet Uriah Faber. Get your heart broken. Dude, it was awesome. Really fun interview. Thank you very much. Great fucking stories. And best of luck in the Burrell fight. I can't wait to see it, man. It's going to be awesome. All right, one more little plug here to my guys. I'm working on this new brand of equipment and lifestyle stuff called Torque. We're going to come out with all sorts of new badass stuff. So keep your eye open for that. Torque1.net is in the makes right now. We're going to have mats. We're going to have gloves. It's going to be awesome. And what is your main website? Torque1.net. And my partner is actually the guy that started BSN, Scott James, and he's an incredible businessman.

101:52He sold that company for a lot of cash, and he just loves MMA. And so that's who I'm going to be rocking from here on out. Boom. And make sure you follow Uriah on Twitter. It's Uriah Faber. You can spell it, bitch. Google it if you can. Man, I'm tired of explaining things to you people. Thank you to the Flesh Life for sponsoring our podcast. Go to JoeRogan.net. Click on the link. Enter in the code name ROGAN. Save yourself 15%. Thank you to Onnit.com. And again, click on the link on JoeRogan.net. Enter in the code name ROGAN. Enter in the code name ROGAN. Excuse me. Enter in the code name ROGAN. Save yourself 10% off. We will be back tomorrow with John Anthony West. That will be the last podcast of the week. But we also have the Ice House Chronicles. We did one last night. It was fucking awesome. And we do them almost every time we have a show here at the Ice House.

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